Messages in AquaticLife group.

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35103	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Algae eaters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35104	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35105	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35106	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35107	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35108	From: bill1433	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35109	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35110	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35112	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35113	From: bill1433	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35114	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35115	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35116	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35117	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35118	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35119	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35120	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Bacteria Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35122	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35123	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Bacteria Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35124	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] LFA Aquarius was new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35125	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: LFA Aquarius was new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35126	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35127	From: D W	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35128	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: My Oranda laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35129	From: Jennie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35130	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35131	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35132	From: danf2346	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: fish food question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35133	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35134	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35135	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: My Oranda laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35136	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35137	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35138	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35140	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35141	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35142	From: Leanna	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35143	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35144	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35145	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35146	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35148	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35149	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35150	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35151	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35152	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Q: Oranda fry food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35153	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35154	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35155	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35156	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35157	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35158	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35159	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35160	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35161	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35162	From: pepe_joan	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35163	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Q: Oranda fry food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35164	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Q: Oranda fry food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35165	From: Linda and Cooper	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35166	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35167	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35168	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35169	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: tails on gold fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35170	From: Leanna	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35171	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35172	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35173	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35174	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35175	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35177	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35178	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Metro Detroiters - Chloramines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35179	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35180	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: tails on gold fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35182	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: tails on gold fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Metro Detroiters - Chloramines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35184	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35185	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35186	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35187	From: amsterbaum	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35188	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35189	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35190	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35191	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35192	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35193	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35195	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35196	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Ram difficulties!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35197	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35198	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Q: Oranda fry food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35199	From: William	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35200	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35201	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35202	From: aquaticjoy@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY... SEE Y'ALL NEXT YEAR (Was RE: [Aquati
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35203	From: Chris	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Leafy Sea Dragon Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35204	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35205	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leafy Sea Dragon Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35206	From: Leanna	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35207	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35208	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35209	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35210	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35211	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: fish food question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35212	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35213	From: hank voss	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35214	From: bill1433	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray-----Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\Steve//---help here please!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35215	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35216	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Commercial display tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35217	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35218	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35221	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35222	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35223	From: Bonnie	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35224	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35225	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35226	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35227	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35228	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35229	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35230	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35231	From: texas_tears2000	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: leaving group for a while
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35232	From: harry perry	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: leaving group for a while
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35233	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35234	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray-----Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\Steve//---help here please!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35235	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35236	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35237	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35238	From: Leanna	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35239	From: h norton	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence/heres my way to
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35240	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35242	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Food Question -- Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35243	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35244	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: posted new pics in my album :)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35245	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35246	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Food Question -- Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35247	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35248	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35249	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35251	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35252	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: fish food question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35253	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35254	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35255	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35256	From: Walden Nida	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35257	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35258	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35259	From: caroline	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Commercial display tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35260	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Commercial display tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35262	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35263	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35264	From: bill1433	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35265	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35266	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35267	From: hank voss	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35268	From: bill1433	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35269	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35270	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35271	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: part 2
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35272	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35273	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35274	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: part 2
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35276	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35277	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35278	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35279	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35280	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35281	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35282	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35283	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35284	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35285	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35286	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Commercial display tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35287	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up -Turbocoupe76
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35288	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35289	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35290	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35291	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35292	From: jett07002	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35293	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35294	From: greychildren	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35295	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35296	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35297	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35298	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35299	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35300	From: Philip	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35301	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35302	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35303	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35304	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35305	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35307	From: texas_tears2000	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35308	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35309	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35310	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35311	From: Alina	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35312	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35313	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35314	From: Jerry	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35315	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35316	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35317	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35318	From: trish701922	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: new/used tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35320	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35323	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35324	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35325	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35326	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35327	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35328	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: OT - DebR's Dishwasher issue (was -Driftwood Cleaning & Curing..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35329	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35330	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35331	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35332	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35333	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35334	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35336	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35337	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: OT - DebR's Dishwasher issue (was -Driftwood Cleaning & Curing..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35338	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35340	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35341	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35342	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35343	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35344	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35345	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35346	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35347	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: betta tank heater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35348	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35349	From: Darlene	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35351	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35352	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35354	From: Jocelyn	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35355	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35356	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35357	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35358	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35359	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35360	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35361	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35362	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35363	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35364	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35365	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35366	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35367	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35368	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35369	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35370	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35372	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (was Re:
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35374	From: Alina	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35375	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35376	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35378	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35380	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35381	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35382	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35383	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35384	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35385	From: Crazycat Lady	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: my mystery snail has a clear worm living inside its shell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35386	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: my mystery snail has a clear worm living inside its shell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35387	From: jocie stock	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35388	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35389	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35390	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35391	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35392	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35393	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35394	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35395	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35396	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35397	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35398	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35399	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35400	From: Herman Melville	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35401	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35402	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35403	From: jocie stock	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35404	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35405	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35409	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35411	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35412	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35413	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35414	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: sealant question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35415	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35416	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35417	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35418	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35419	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35420	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35421	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35422	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35423	From: pam andress	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35424	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35425	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35426	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35427	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35428	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35429	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35430	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35431	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35432	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35433	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35434	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35435	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35436	From: Pam Andress	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35437	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35439	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35440	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35441	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35442	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35443	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35444	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35445	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35446	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35447	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35448	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35449	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35451	From: M A RAMOS	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Broken fish tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35452	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: It's In There! Was Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35453	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's In There! Was Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has start
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35454	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35455	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35456	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35457	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35458	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35459	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35460	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35461	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35462	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35463	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Added water today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35464	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35466	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35467	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Thanks Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35468	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35469	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35470	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35471	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35472	From: Lisa	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Why won't my sword tails breed?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35473	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35474	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35475	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: My Betta gets a new home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35476	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35477	From: bill1433	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35478	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35479	From: Sharad Tiwari	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35480	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: My Betta gets a new home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35482	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35483	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35484	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35485	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35486	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35487	From: Suzi	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35488	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35489	From: Danielle	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35490	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35491	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35493	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35494	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35497	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35498	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Why won't my sword tails breed?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35499	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35500	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35501	From: D@ni	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35502	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35503	From: D@ni	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35504	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35505	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: My Betta gets a new home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35506	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35507	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35508	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35509	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35510	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35511	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35512	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Scavenger Brackish Tank Mate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35513	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35514	From: caroline	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35515	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35516	From: Darlene	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35517	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35518	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35519	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35520	From: caroline	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35523	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35524	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35525	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35528	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35529	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: CUCUMBER FEEDING
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35531	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: OT: Bunsen Burners and Other Science Fun in High School (was: Altern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35532	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35533	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35534	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35535	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35536	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35537	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35538	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35539	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35540	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35541	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35542	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35543	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35544	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35545	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35546	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35547	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35548	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35549	From: Darlene	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35550	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35551	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35552	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35553	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35554	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35555	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35556	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35557	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35559	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35560	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35561	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Alternative to API test tubes and Caps
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35562	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes and Caps
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35563	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35564	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35565	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35566	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35567	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35568	From: William	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35569	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35570	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35571	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35572	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35573	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35574	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35575	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35576	From: Darlene	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35577	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35578	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35579	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35580	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35581	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35582	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35583	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35584	From: Christina	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35585	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35586	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35587	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35589	From: Darlene	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35590	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35591	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35592	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35593	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35594	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35595	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35596	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35597	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35598	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35599	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35600	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35601	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35602	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35603	From: childofgod19832003@yahoo.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Check out cool sites I found on StumbleUpon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35604	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35605	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35606	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35607	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35608	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35610	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35611	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35612	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35613	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35614	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35615	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35617	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35618	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35619	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35620	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35621	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35622	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Goldfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35623	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35624	From: Darlene	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35625	From: Chris Owens	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry fi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35626	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35627	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35628	From: pam andress	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35629	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35630	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35631	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35632	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35634	From: Darlene	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35635	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35636	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35637	From: latexluvr2001	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35638	From: bill1433	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Reverse a Reverse??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35639	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35640	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35641	From: bruce cohen	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35642	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35643	From: pam andress	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35644	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35645	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35646	From: bluemoon331@comcast.net	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35647	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35648	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35649	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35651	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35652	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35653	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Feeder Fish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35654	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35656	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35657	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35658	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35659	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35660	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35661	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35662	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35663	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35665	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35666	From: Blue fish	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35667	From: Todd Bacon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35668	From: Todd Bacon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35669	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35670	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35671	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35672	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35673	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35674	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35675	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35676	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35677	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35679	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35680	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35681	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35682	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35683	From: Wendie	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35684	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35685	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35686	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35687	From: rabbitbeast	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35688	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35689	From: pam andress	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35690	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35691	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35692	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35693	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35694	From: pam andress	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35695	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35696	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35697	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35698	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35699	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35700	From: Veronica	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35701	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35702	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35703	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35704	From: pam andress	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35705	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Unknown fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35707	From: morton57	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Sick Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35708	From: joe t	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35709	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35710	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35711	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35712	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35713	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35714	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Unknown fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35715	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35716	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35718	From: Andrew	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Great Barracuda
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35720	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35721	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35722	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35723	From: Christina	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35724	From: Christina	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35725	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35727	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Great Barracuda
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35728	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35729	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35730	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35731	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35732	From: crazycatlady	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35733	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35734	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35736	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35737	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35738	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35739	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35741	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35742	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35743	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35744	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35746	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35747	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35748	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35749	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35750	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35751	From: greychildren	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35752	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35753	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35755	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35756	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35757	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35758	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35759	From: Wendie	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35760	From: Wendie	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35762	From: greychildren	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35764	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35765	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35766	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35767	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35768	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35769	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35770	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35771	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35772	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35773	From: abandab19023	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Anglefish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35774	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35775	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35776	From: Megan Honeywell	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35778	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35779	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35780	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35781	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35782	From: Nedra	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35783	From: Bee Herd	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35784	From: morton57	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35785	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35786	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35787	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35788	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Anglefish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35789	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35790	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35791	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35792	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35793	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35794	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35795	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35796	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35797	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35798	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35799	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish - trying to ID
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35800	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35801	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35802	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35803	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35804	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35805	From: caroline	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: upside down goldfish...=(
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35806	From: William	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35807	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35809	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35810	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35811	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35812	From: hank voss	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35813	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35814	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35815	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35816	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35817	From: Nedra	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35818	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish - trying to ID
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35819	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35820	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35821	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35822	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35823	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35824	From: Nedra	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35825	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: food for guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35826	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35827	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: planted biocube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35828	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35829	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35830	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35831	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35832	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: food for guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35833	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35834	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35836	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35837	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35838	From: mike ask n i might tell u my lastname	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35839	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35840	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35841	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35842	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35843	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35844	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35845	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35846	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35848	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35849	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35850	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35851	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35852	From: Chris	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: fish loss question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35853	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35856	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35857	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35859	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35860	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35861	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35862	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35864	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35865	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35867	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35868	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35869	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35870	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35871	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35872	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Minerals on glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35873	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35874	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35875	From: nevenash11	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business Commu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35876	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35877	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35878	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35879	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35881	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35882	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35883	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35884	From: William	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35885	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35886	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35887	From: William	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35888	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35889	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35890	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35891	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35892	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35893	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35894	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35895	From: Mike Shaver	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35896	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35897	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35898	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35899	From: Lisa	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35900	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35901	From: Lisa	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35902	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35903	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35904	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in acrylic tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35905	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35907	From: josette beckles	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35908	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35909	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35910	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35911	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35912	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35913	From: slight.glitch	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: First post, and a hello to you all-
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35914	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35915	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35916	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35917	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35918	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35919	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35920	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35921	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35922	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35923	From: Christopher Muns	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35924	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35925	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35926	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35927	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35928	From: Dr. Katie Craft	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35929	From: Darlene	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35930	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35931	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35932	From: pam andress	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35933	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35934	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35935	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35936	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35938	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Interesting Article
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35939	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35940	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35941	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35943	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35944	From: amsterbaum	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: salt for betta?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35946	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35947	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35948	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35949	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35950	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35951	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35952	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35953	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35954	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35956	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35957	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35958	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35959	From: Lisa	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35960	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35961	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35962	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35963	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35964	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35965	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35966	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35967	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35968	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35969	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35970	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35971	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35972	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35973	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35974	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35975	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35977	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35978	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35980	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35981	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35982	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35983	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35985	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35986	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35989	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35990	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35991	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35992	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35993	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35994	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35995	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35996	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35997	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35998	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35999	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: O/T Group Email Issues, was - Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36000	From: Jennie	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36001	From: Nedra	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Transitioning baby cichlids to prepared food -- how do you get them
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36002	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transitioning baby cichlids to prepared food -- how do you get t
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36003	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36004	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36005	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36006	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36007	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36008	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36009	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36010	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36011	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36012	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36013	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36014	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36015	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36016	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36017	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36018	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36019	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36020	From: Lisa	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Expecting swordtail fry...maybe. Please help a first time fish breed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36021	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36022	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36023	From: Larry Nave	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Sorry to hear .... hope for all the best
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36024	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36025	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Article
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36026	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36027	From: Jerry	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36028	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36029	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36030	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36031	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36032	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36033	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36034	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36035	From: William	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36036	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36037	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36038	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36040	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36041	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36042	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36043	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36044	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36045	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36046	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36047	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36048	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36049	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36050	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36051	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36052	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36053	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36054	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36055	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36056	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36057	From: bill1433	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36058	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36059	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36060	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36061	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36062	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36063	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36064	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36065	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36066	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36067	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36068	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36069	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36070	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36071	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36072	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36074	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36075	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36076	From: pam andress	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36077	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36078	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36079	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36080	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36081	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36082	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36083	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36086	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36087	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: a question about pwc's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36088	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: a question about pwc's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36089	From: Darlene	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36090	From: Blue fish	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36091	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36092	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36093	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36094	From: Darlene	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36095	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36096	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36097	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36098	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36099	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36100	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36101	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36102	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36103	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36104	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36105	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36106	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36107	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36108	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36109	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36110	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36112	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36113	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36114	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36115	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36116	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36117	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36118	From: bill1433	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36119	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36120	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36121	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36122	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36123	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36124	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36125	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36126	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36127	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36128	From: Leanna	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36129	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36130	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36131	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: UV sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36132	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36133	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36134	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36135	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36136	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36137	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36138	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36139	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36140	From: bill1433	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36141	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: UV sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36142	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36143	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: FW: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36144	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36145	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36146	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36147	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: UV sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36148	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36149	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36150	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36151	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36152	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36153	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Angel's are at it again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36154	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36155	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36156	From: tcollins490	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Hello all... new to this group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36157	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36158	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36160	From: William	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36161	From: Dave	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Newbie!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36162	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36163	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36164	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36165	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36166	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36167	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36168	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36169	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Light alge grwoth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36170	From: harry perry	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36171	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36172	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: questions on a couple of things
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36173	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: questions on a couple of things
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36174	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36175	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36177	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36178	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36179	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36180	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36181	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36182	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36184	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36185	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36187	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36188	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36189	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36190	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36191	From: bill1433	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36192	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36193	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36194	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36195	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36196	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36197	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36198	From: Jerry	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36199	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36200	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36201	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36202	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36203	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36204	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36205	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36206	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36207	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36208	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36209	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36210	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36211	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36212	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36213	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36214	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36215	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36216	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36217	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36218	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36220	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36221	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36222	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36223	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36224	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36225	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36226	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36227	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36228	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36229	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36230	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: How to treat fungus.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36231	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36232	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36233	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae- Dwarf Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae- Dwarf Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36235	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36236	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36237	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36239	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36240	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36241	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36242	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36244	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36245	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36246	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36247	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36248	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36249	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36250	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36251	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36253	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36254	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36255	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36256	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36257	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36258	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36259	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36260	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36262	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36263	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36264	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36265	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36266	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36267	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36268	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36269	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Does Hair Algae Shed?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36270	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36271	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36272	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36273	From: Debra	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Brackish Tank Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36275	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36276	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36277	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36278	From: guna sakar	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36279	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36280	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36281	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36282	From: caroline	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: about fancy goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36283	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Does Hair Algae Shed?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36284	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36285	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36286	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Does Hair Algae Shed?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36287	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36288	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36289	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36291	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36292	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36293	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36294	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36295	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36296	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36298	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36299	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36300	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36301	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36302	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36303	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36304	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36305	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36307	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36308	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36309	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36310	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36311	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36312	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36313	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36314	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36315	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36316	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36317	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36318	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36320	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36322	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36324	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36325	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36326	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36327	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36328	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36329	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36330	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36331	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36332	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36333	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36334	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36336	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: PH vs Ammonia levels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36337	From: bill1433	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36338	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: PH vs Ammonia levels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36339	From: John Ferris	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Alkalinity in reef tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36340	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36341	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36342	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36343	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36344	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36345	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36346	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36347	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36348	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36349	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36350	From: harry perry	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: A new home page photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36351	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36352	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36353	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36354	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Debs of the World, Unite! (was: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36355	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36356	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36357	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36358	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36359	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hillstream Loach "Migration"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36360	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36362	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36363	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loach "Migration"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36364	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loach "Migration"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36365	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36366	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36367	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Debs of the World, Unite! (was: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36368	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36369	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36370	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36372	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36374	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36375	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36376	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: about fancy goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36380	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36381	From: hank voss	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36382	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36383	From: Debra	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36384	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36385	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36386	From: Jenn	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Pittsburgh PA area aquatic keepers.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36387	From: palusod	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Dragon Goby
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36388	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36389	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36390	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh PA area aquatic keepers.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36391	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36392	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36393	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36394	From: Larry Nave	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36395	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36396	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36397	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36398	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36399	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36400	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36401	From: aquaticjoy@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36403	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36404	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36409	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36410	From: hank voss	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36411	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36412	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36413	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36414	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36415	From: William	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36416	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36417	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36418	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36419	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36420	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dragon Goby
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36421	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36422	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36423	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36424	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36425	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36426	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36427	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36428	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36429	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36430	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36431	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36432	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36433	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dragon Goby
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36434	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36435	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36436	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36437	From: Leanna	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36438	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36439	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36440	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36441	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36442	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36443	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36444	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36445	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36447	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36448	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36449	From: William	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36451	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36452	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36453	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36454	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36455	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36456	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36457	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36458	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36460	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36461	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36462	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36463	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: 43 year old goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36466	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36467	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36468	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36469	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36470	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36471	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36472	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36473	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36474	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36475	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36476	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36478	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36479	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36480	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36481	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36482	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36483	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36484	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36485	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36486	From: greychildren	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36487	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36488	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36489	From: Shannon	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Fish Identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36490	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36491	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36493	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36494	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36496	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36498	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36499	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36500	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36501	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36502	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36503	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36505	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: BigPoppa's question about carbon (was - 72 gal. bow front set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36506	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36507	From: Mark Hough	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36508	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36509	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36510	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36511	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36512	From: jett07002	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36513	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36514	From: Rich	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: New to the group...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36515	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36516	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36517	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36518	From: Debra	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36519	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36521	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36522	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36523	From: caroline	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36524	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36525	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36528	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36529	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: New to the group...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36531	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36532	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36533	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36534	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36535	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36536	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36537	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36538	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: upside down goldfish story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36539	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36540	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36541	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36543	From: Darlene	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36544	From: pam andress	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36545	From: Darlene	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36546	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36547	From: Debra	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36548	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36550	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36551	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36552	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36553	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36554	From: William	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36555	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36556	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36557	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36559	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36560	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36561	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36562	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36563	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36564	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36565	From: William	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36566	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36567	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36568	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36569	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36570	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36571	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36572	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36574	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36575	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36576	From: caroline	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: upside down goldfish story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36577	From: caroline	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36578	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36579	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36580	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36581	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36582	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36583	From: greychildren	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36584	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36585	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36586	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36587	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36588	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36589	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36590	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36591	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36592	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36593	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36594	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36595	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36596	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36597	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36598	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36599	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36600	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36601	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36602	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36603	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36604	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36605	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36606	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: My rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36607	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36608	From: jett07002	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36609	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36610	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36611	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36612	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36613	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36614	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36615	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36616	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36617	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36618	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36619	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36620	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36621	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36622	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36623	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36624	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36625	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36627	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36628	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36629	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36630	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36631	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36632	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36634	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36635	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36636	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36637	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36638	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Questions about Otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36639	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36640	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36641	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36642	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36643	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36644	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36645	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36646	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36648	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36649	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36651	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36652	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Re
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36653	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36654	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36656	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36657	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36658	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36659	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36660	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36661	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36662	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36663	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36665	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36666	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36668	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36669	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36671	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36672	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36673	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36674	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36675	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36676	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36677	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36678	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36679	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36680	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36681	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36682	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36683	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36684	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36685	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36686	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36687	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36688	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36689	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36690	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36691	From: bill1433	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36692	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36693	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36694	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36695	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36696	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36697	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36698	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36699	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36700	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36701	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36702	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36703	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36704	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36705	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36707	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36708	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36709	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36710	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36711	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36712	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36713	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36715	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36716	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36718	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Green Angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36719	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36720	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36721	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36722	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36723	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36724	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36725	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36727	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36728	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36729	From: jett07002	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36730	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36731	From: pam andress	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36732	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36733	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36734	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36736	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36737	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36738	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36739	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36741	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36742	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36743	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36746	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36747	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36748	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36749	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36750	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36751	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36752	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36754	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36755	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36756	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36757	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36758	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36759	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36760	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36762	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36763	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36764	From: Lisa	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36765	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36766	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36767	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36768	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36769	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36770	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36771	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36772	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36773	From: jett07002	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36774	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36775	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36776	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36778	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36779	From: N Taweel	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36780	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36781	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36782	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36783	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36784	From: greychildren	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36785	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36786	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36787	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36788	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36789	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36790	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36791	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36792	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36793	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36794	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Questions about Otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36795	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36796	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36797	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36798	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36799	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: FWD. Speaking of the HSUS
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36800	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36801	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36802	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36803	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36804	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36805	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Help me find the name of this cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36806	From: myronbarefoot	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: discus diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36808	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36809	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36810	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36811	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36813	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36814	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36816	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36817	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36818	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36819	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36820	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36821	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36822	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36823	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36825	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36826	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36827	From: Gregg	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: HSUS
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36828	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36829	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36830	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36831	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36832	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36833	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36834	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Food sent with an aquabid fish order
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36837	From: N Taweel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36838	From: jett07002	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36839	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36840	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36841	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36842	From: Gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36843	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: I think the heat wave killed my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36844	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Hikari Discus Pellets
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36845	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36846	From: pam andress	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36848	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36849	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36850	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: I think the heat wave killed my fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36851	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36852	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36853	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36854	From: William	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36855	From: William	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36856	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36857	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36858	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36859	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36861	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36862	From: Leanna	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36864	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36865	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36867	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36868	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36869	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36870	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36871	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36872	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36873	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36874	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36875	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36876	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36877	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36878	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36879	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36881	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36882	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36883	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36884	From: gail	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36885	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36886	From: gail	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36887	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36888	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36889	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36890	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36891	From: Leanna	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36893	From: palusod	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: aggressive fish with babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36894	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36895	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Eclipse tank discussion from another group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36896	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36897	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: aggressive fish with babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36898	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36899	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36900	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36901	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36902	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36903	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Books and Magazines
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36904	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36905	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36906	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Books and Magazines
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36907	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36908	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36909	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36910	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36911	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36912	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36913	From: Leanna	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36914	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36915	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36916	From: Jennifer Walker	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36917	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36918	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36919	From: Jennifer Walker	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36920	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36921	From: William	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36922	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Books and Magazines
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36923	From: William	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36924	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36925	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36926	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36927	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36928	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36929	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36931	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36932	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36933	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36934	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36935	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36936	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36937	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36938	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36939	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36941	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36943	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36944	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36946	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Fresh veggies in the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36947	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: guaranteed fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36948	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36949	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36950	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36951	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36952	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Fwd: [AquaticLife] have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36953	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36954	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh veggies in the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36955	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36956	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36957	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36958	From: greychildren	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Cascade 300 HOB filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36959	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cascade 300 HOB filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36960	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36961	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36962	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36963	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36964	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36965	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36966	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36967	From: ''Grey'' Greymane	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36968	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36969	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Amazing survival of a Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36970	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amazing survival of a Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36971	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36972	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36973	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36974	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36975	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36978	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36980	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36982	From: William	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36983	From: William	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36984	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36985	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36986	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36989	From: pam andress	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36990	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36991	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36992	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36993	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36994	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36996	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36997	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36998	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36999	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37000	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37001	From: Leanna	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37003	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37004	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37005	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37006	From: ovisimo@primariatm.ro	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: question - lightbulb
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: question - lightbulb
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37008	From: greychildren	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cascade 300 HOB filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37009	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37010	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37011	From: Gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37012	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37013	From: Dave	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Cloudy Water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37014	From: William	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37015	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37016	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: question - lightbulb
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37017	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37018	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37019	From: William	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37020	From: jett07002	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37021	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37022	From: Debra	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37023	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37024	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37025	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37026	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37027	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37028	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37029	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37030	From: Lisa	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Female swordtail fighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37031	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37032	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37033	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37034	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37036	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37037	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37038	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37040	From: Gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37041	From: gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Betta in a vase needs air
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37042	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37043	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37044	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37045	From: eventrade_2000	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: New Member Intro - Dutch Aquarium 'wannabe'
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37046	From: Lisa	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37047	From: Darlene	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: my Farlowellas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37048	From: hank voss	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37049	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37050	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: API test kit (master fresh water)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37051	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37052	From: William	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37054	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37055	From: jett07002	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37056	From: gail	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37057	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37058	From: Debra	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37059	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37060	From: Eric	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37061	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37062	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37063	From: gail	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37064	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37065	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37066	From: Darlene	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37067	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37068	From: pam andress	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37069	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37070	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37071	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37072	From: Debra	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37073	From: gail	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37074	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37075	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37076	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37077	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37078	From: greychildren	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37079	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37080	From: bugarsarefun	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: hello!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37081	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37082	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37083	From: jett07002	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37085	From: Troy	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37086	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37087	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37088	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37089	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37090	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37091	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37092	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37093	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37094	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37095	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37096	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37097	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37098	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37099	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37100	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37101	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Broken Thermometer Casing!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37102	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37103	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37104	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37105	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37106	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37108	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37109	From: Eric	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37110	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37111	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37112	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37113	From: Jocelyn	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37114	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37115	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37116	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: DrTim to speak at San Diego Tropical Fish Soc Sun Feb 8
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37117	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: DrTim to speak at San Diego Tropical Fish Soc Sun Feb 8
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37118	From: bkmat62	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37119	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37120	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37121	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37122	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37123	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37124	From: ldw3312@netzero.net	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37125	From: palusod	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: peacock eels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37126	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37127	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37128	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37129	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37130	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37131	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37132	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37133	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37134	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: What plant do I have?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37135	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37136	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: What plant do I have?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37137	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: What plant do I have?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37138	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37140	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37141	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37142	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37144	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37145	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37146	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37148	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37149	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37150	From: pam andress	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37151	From: jocie stock	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37152	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37153	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37155	From: Haley	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: fish babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37156	From: harry perry	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Recent spam message
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37157	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37158	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37159	From: Darlene	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent spam message
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37160	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37161	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37162	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37163	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37164	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37165	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37166	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Blue mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37167	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37168	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37169	From: Haley Sellers	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37170	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37171	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37172	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37173	From: greychildren	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37174	From: bkmat62	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37175	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37177	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37178	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37179	From: Mark Hough	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37180	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37182	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37184	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37185	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37186	From: Gail	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37187	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37188	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37189	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37190	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37191	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37192	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37193	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37194	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37195	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37196	From: aec crawford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37197	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37198	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37199	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37200	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37201	From: Haley Sellers	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37202	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37203	From: ldw3312@netzero.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: New daddy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37204	From: Jennie	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37205	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37206	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37207	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37208	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37209	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37210	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37211	From: Lisa	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37212	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37213	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: New daddy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37214	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37215	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37216	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37217	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37218	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37219	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37220	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37221	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37222	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37223	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37224	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37225	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37226	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37227	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37228	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37229	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37230	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37231	From: ldw1123	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37232	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37233	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37234	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37235	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37236	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37237	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37239	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37240	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37241	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37242	From: Debra Melton	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37244	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37245	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37246	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37247	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37248	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37249	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37250	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37251	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37252	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37253	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37254	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37255	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37256	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37257	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37258	From: William	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37259	From: Anna-w/organic food	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37260	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37261	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37262	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37263	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37264	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Michigan Clubs (was:: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37265	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37266	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37267	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37268	From: bill1433	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37269	From: pam andress	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37270	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Michigan Clubs (was:: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37271	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37272	From: William	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37273	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37274	From: Lisa	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Update on the Victorian bushfires
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37276	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37277	From: bill1433	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37278	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37279	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37280	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37281	From: N Taweel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37282	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37283	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37284	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37285	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37286	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37287	From: Kevin	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: fish tank water keeps turning black
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37288	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37289	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: fish tank water keeps turning black
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37290	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37291	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37292	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37293	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37294	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37295	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37296	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37298	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Severum acting oddly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37299	From: gail	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37300	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Found a place online that sells mopani (sinking) driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37302	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37303	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37304	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37305	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37307	From: gail	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37308	From: bill1433	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37309	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37310	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37311	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37312	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37313	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37314	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37315	From: Lisa	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37316	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37317	From: Lisa	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37318	From: crazycatlady	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: african clawed frog escapee
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37320	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Aqua-tech 200 filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqua-tech 200 filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37323	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37324	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Found a place online that sells mopani (sinking) driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37325	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37326	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37327	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37328	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37330	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: fin rot
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37331	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37332	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37333	From: Gail	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37334	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37335	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37336	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37337	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37338	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37340	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37341	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37342	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37343	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37344	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37345	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37346	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37347	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37348	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37349	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37351	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: fin rot
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37352	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37353	From: ''Grey'' Greymane	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37354	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37355	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37356	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37357	From: Darlene	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37358	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37359	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37360	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37361	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37362	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: african clawed frog escapee
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37363	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37364	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37365	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37366	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37367	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37368	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37369	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37370	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37371	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37372	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37374	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37375	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37376	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37377	From: pam andress	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37379	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37380	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37381	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37382	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37383	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37384	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37385	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37386	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37387	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37388	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37389	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37390	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37391	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37392	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37393	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37394	From: greychildren	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37395	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37396	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37397	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37398	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37399	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37400	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37401	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37402	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37403	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37404	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37407	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37408	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37409	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37410	From: jenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37411	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37412	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37413	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37414	From: greychildren	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37415	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37416	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37417	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37418	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37419	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37420	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37421	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Silk Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37422	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - bloodworms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37423	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37424	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp, Calcium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37425	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37426	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: eHow
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37427	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp, Calcium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37428	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: eHow
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37429	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: fish illnesses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37430	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37431	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37432	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37433	From: isink_1080	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Aquarium Stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37434	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: fish illnesses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37435	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37436	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37437	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37439	From: garrywilliams59	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Hello Everyone
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37440	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37441	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37442	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37443	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37444	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37445	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37447	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37448	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37449	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37451	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37452	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37454	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37455	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37456	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37457	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: eHow
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37458	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: eHow
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37459	From: Gail	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37460	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Severum
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37461	From: gail	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37462	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37463	From: Lisa	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Kuhli loach and a male betta...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37464	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37465	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37466	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Severum
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37467	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37468	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37469	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37470	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37471	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37472	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37473	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37474	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37475	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37476	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37477	From: Wendie	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37478	From: Rich	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37479	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37480	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37481	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37482	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37483	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37484	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37485	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37486	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: do molly babies taste bad?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37487	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37488	From: Lisa	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37489	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37490	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37491	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Fw: omg its a shark (A little Humor)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37492	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37493	From: caroline	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Fwd: [thecardiacclub] Fw: wonderful pictures.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37494	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: omg its a shark (A little Humor)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37498	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37499	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37500	From: cherrystix81	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37501	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37502	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37503	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37505	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37506	From: gail	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37508	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37510	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37511	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37512	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37513	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37514	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37515	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37516	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37517	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37518	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37519	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37520	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37523	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37524	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37525	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37526	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37527	From: William	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37528	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37529	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37531	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37532	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37533	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37534	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37535	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37536	From: Darlene	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: was about snails now Otocinclus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37537	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37538	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37539	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37540	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: old tank syndrome - all water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37541	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - all water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37543	From: Rich	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37544	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Better test kits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37546	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37547	From: cherrystix81	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37548	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37549	From: Gail	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37550	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37551	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37552	From: flohk13@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37553	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37554	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37555	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37556	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37557	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37559	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37560	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37561	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37562	From: Gail	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37563	From: Debra	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37564	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37565	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37566	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37567	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37568	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - all water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37569	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37570	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37571	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37572	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37574	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37575	From: Matthew O' Farrell	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37576	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37577	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37578	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37579	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37580	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37581	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37582	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37583	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37584	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37585	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37586	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37587	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37589	From: kattie scroggin	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37591	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37592	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37593	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37594	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37595	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Fancy schmancy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37596	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37597	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37598	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37599	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37600	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37601	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37602	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: National Marine Sanctuaries Media Library
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37603	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37604	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37605	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37606	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37607	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37608	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37609	From: eclampe	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37610	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37611	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Algae growth?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37612	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37613	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37614	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37615	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37617	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37618	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37619	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37620	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37621	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37622	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37623	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37624	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37625	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37626	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37627	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: about fry(guppy)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37628	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37629	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Red Cherry Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37630	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37631	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37632	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37634	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37635	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37636	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37637	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37638	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37639	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37640	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37641	From: pam andress	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37642	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37643	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37644	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37645	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37646	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37648	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37649	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37650	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37651	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37652	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37653	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37654	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37655	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37656	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37657	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37658	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37659	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37660	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37661	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37662	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37663	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37664	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: old tank syndrome - update & requested info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37665	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37666	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37668	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37669	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37671	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37672	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37673	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37674	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37675	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37676	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37679	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37680	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37681	From: Gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37682	From: bill1433	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37683	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37684	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37685	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37686	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37687	From: Gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37688	From: gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37689	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: "Hard To Kill" plant package... (for Amber and others)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37690	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37691	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37692	From: bill1433	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37693	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37694	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37695	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37696	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37697	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37698	From: Gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37699	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37700	From: Gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37701	From: gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Update: my Cloudy 55 gallon < green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37702	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37703	From: Tania	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Gourami swimming head down, help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37704	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami swimming head down, help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37705	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37706	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37707	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37708	From: greychildren	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37709	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37710	From: Debra	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37711	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: File - Pending
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37712	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37713	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37715	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37716	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37717	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37718	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37720	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37721	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37722	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37723	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37724	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37725	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37726	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37727	From: Gail	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37728	From: bill1433	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37729	From: Lisa	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37730	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37731	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37732	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37733	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37734	From: zoarvalley1946	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Home Page Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37735	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37736	From: Gail	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37737	From: Wendie	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37738	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37739	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37741	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37742	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37743	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37745	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37746	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37747	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37748	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37749	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37750	From: gail	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37751	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37752	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37755	From: Gail	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37756	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37757	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Lets Pretend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37758	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37759	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37760	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lets Pretend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37762	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37763	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37764	From: princessdpunk	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Breeding Guppies and Mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37765	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Breeding Guppies and Mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37766	From: Lisa	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37767	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Lets Pretend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37768	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37769	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37770	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37771	From: Wendie	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37772	From: bill1433	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: On Oscars In General
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37773	From: bill1433	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37774	From: Cee Jaye	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37775	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: ebay ordering
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37776	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: On Oscars In General
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: On Oscars In General
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37778	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: ebay ordering
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37779	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: ebay ordering
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37780	From: greychildren	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: fresh water flounder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37781	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37782	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37783	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37784	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37785	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: fresh water flounder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37787	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00/DebR
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37788	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00/DebR
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37789	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37790	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: OT: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37791	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Crazy Laws
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37792	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37793	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37794	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37795	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37796	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37797	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37798	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37799	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37800	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37801	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37802	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37803	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Barrel Eye Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37804	From: mattsmom	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37805	From: mattsmom	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37806	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37807	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: RO units
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37809	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: RO units
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37810	From: Lisa	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: I have fry!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37811	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37813	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37814	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37815	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37816	From: William	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: NEC convention
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37817	From: drbernice843	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37818	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37819	From: Lisa	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have fry!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37820	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37821	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: RO units
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37822	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37823	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Prime and othe dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37824	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37825	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37826	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37827	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37828	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37829	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37830	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and other dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37831	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37832	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37833	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37834	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37835	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37837	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37838	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37839	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37840	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37841	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37842	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37843	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37844	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Need a Test Kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37845	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37846	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37847	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37848	From: Gail	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37849	From: gail	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37850	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37851	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37852	From: Suzi	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37853	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37854	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37855	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37856	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37857	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Rain water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37859	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37861	From: Gail	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37862	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37863	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37864	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37865	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37866	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37867	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37868	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37869	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37870	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37871	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37872	From: Gail	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37873	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37874	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37875	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37876	From: pam andress	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37877	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37878	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37879	From: N Taweel	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37881	From: marverlucy	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37882	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37883	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37885	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37886	From: marverlucy	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37887	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37888	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37889	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37890	From: Gail	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37891	From: N Taweel	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37893	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37894	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37895	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37896	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37897	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37898	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37899	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Fwd: update on my fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37900	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37901	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37902	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37903	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37904	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37905	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37906	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37907	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: My Krib's are parents!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37908	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: My Krib's are parents!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37909	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: New Find
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37910	From: biG poppa	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37911	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37912	From: Debra	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37913	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: New Find
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37914	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37915	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Bad mojo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37916	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37917	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37918	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37919	From: dinbis	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Bruised gold fish -due to sucking loach attack.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37920	From: Jerry	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: salt in fresh water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37921	From: adamreptiles2004	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Aquatic Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37922	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bruised gold fish -due to sucking loach attack.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37923	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: salt in fresh water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37924	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37925	From: harry perry	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: No one visits the homepage????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37926	From: bygolliebordercollies	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Goldfish attacking
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37927	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37928	From: harry perry	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37929	From: Suzi	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37930	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish attacking
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37931	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37932	From: Suzi	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37933	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37934	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37935	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37936	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37938	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37939	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37941	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37942	From: Mark Nelson	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37944	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37945	From: Gail	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37946	From: bygolliebordercollies	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish attacking
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37947	From: harry perry	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Common Pleco !!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37948	From: Suzi	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Common Pleco !!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37949	From: darlene	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Common Pleco !!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37950	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37951	From: darlene	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37952	From: Nedra	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37953	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37954	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37955	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte -- Condition Update
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37956	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37957	From: alyssanaylor19	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: freeing up a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37958	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37959	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37960	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37961	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37962	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37963	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37964	From: pam andress	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte -- Condition Update
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37965	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37966	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37967	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37968	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37969	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37970	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37971	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37972	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37973	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37974	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37975	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37976	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37977	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37978	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37979	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37981	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37983	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37985	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37986	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37987	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37988	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37989	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37990	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37991	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37992	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37993	From: bill1433	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37994	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37995	From: Gail	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37996	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37997	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37998	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37999	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38000	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38001	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38003	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38004	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38005	From: pam andress	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38006	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Computer Program - Nifty Upgrade!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38008	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: freeing up a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38009	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38010	From: darlene	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38011	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38012	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38013	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38014	From: jett07002	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38015	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38016	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38017	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38018	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38019	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38020	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38021	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38022	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38023	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38024	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38025	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Fry tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38026	From: William	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38027	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38028	From: Tania	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38029	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38030	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38031	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38032	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38033	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38034	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38035	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38036	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38037	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38038	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38039	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38040	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38041	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38042	From: gail	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38043	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38044	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38045	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38046	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38047	From: gail	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Convict with a cyst; what to do?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38048	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convict with a cyst; what to do?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38049	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38050	From: pam andress	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38051	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38052	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38054	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38055	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Interesting Story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38056	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38057	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38058	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38059	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38060	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38061	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38062	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38063	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38064	From: Gail	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Convict with a cyst; what to do?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38065	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38066	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38068	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38069	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38070	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38071	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38072	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38074	From: Gail	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38075	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38076	From: pam andress	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38077	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38078	From: darlene	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38079	From: bill1433	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38080	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38081	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38082	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38083	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38084	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38086	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38087	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38088	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38089	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38090	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38091	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38092	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38093	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38094	From: pam andress	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38095	From: Gail	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38096	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38097	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38098	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38099	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38101	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38102	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38103	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: just curious about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38104	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38105	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38106	From: pam andress	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38107	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38108	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38109	From: Debra	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38110	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38111	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38112	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38113	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38114	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38115	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Hikari Food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38116	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38117	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38118	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38119	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38120	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38122	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38123	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38124	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38125	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38126	From: Lisa	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38127	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38128	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38129	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38130	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38131	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38132	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38133	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38134	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38135	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38136	From: Ron/ronniemac	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38137	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38138	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38139	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Test Message for "a" coding inside
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38140	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38141	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38142	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38144	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38145	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38146	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38147	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38148	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38149	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38150	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38151	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38152	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Probably OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38153	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Probably OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38154	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: am a happy Camper.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38155	From: William	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38156	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38157	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38158	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38160	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38161	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38162	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38163	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38164	From: Gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38165	From: Rich	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38166	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38167	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38168	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: OK, how do I feed the otos?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38169	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38170	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38171	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38172	From: Gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38173	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38174	From: gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38175	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38176	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Intro - Dani in ND
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38177	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38178	From: Debra	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38179	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38180	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38182	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38183	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38184	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38185	From: darlene	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38187	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38188	From: RPI	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38189	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38190	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38191	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38192	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38193	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38195	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38196	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38197	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38198	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38199	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38200	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38201	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Intro - Dani in ND
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38202	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38203	From: Gail	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38204	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38205	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38206	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38207	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38208	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38209	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38210	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38211	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38212	From: flohk13@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38213	From: bill1433	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38214	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38215	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38216	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38217	From: RPI	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38218	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38219	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38220	From: bill1433	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38221	From: pam andress	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38222	From: pam andress	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38223	From: jett07002	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38224	From: ldw1123	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: water testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38225	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38226	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38227	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38228	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38229	From: Stephanie	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38230	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38231	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38232	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38233	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38235	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38236	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38237	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38239	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38240	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38241	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38242	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38243	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38244	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38245	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38246	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38247	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38248	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38249	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38251	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38252	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38253	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38254	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38255	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38256	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38257	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38258	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Rena Filstar XP canister filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38259	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38260	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38261	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38262	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Intro - Dani in ND
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38263	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38264	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38265	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Rena Filstar XP canister filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38266	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38267	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38268	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38269	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38270	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38271	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38272	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38273	From: Sandra Turner	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: fish eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38274	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38276	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38277	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38278	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38279	From: David Keymel	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Pea Puffers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38280	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38281	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38282	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38283	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38284	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38285	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38286	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38287	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38288	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38289	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38291	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38292	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38293	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: filters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38294	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38295	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38296	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: fish eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38297	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38298	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38299	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38300	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38302	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: food for baby angle fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38303	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38304	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38305	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38306	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38307	From: William	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38308	From: William	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: N E C weekend this weekend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38309	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38310	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38311	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38312	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38313	From: Rich	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Puffers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38314	From: William	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38315	From: David Keymel	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Puffers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38316	From: RPI	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38317	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38318	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38319	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38320	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38321	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: about guppy fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38322	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38324	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: about guppy fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38325	From: RPI	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38326	From: gail	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Gourami with red sore
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38327	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38328	From: jocie stock	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38330	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38331	From: Gail	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38332	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38333	From: tcollins490	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38334	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38335	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38336	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38337	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami with red sore
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38338	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38340	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38341	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: 34th NEC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38342	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38343	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38344	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38346	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38347	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: How much gravel?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38348	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38349	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38350	From: bigrichoo@yahoo.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38351	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38352	From: bill1433	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38353	From: bill1433	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38354	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38355	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38356	From: bill1433	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38357	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38358	From: bill1433	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38359	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38360	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38362	From: rsteph49	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Best Specific Gravity?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38363	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38364	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38365	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38366	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38367	From: RPI	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Best Specific Gravity?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38368	From: RPI	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38369	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38370	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Best Specific Gravity?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38371	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38372	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38374	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38375	From: twoneill3	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38376	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38377	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38379	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38380	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38381	From: twoneill3	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38382	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38383	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38384	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38385	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38386	From: RPI	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38387	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38388	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38389	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38390	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38391	From: pam andress	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38392	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38393	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38394	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Great Lakes Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38395	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38396	From: gail	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38397	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38398	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: cichlid food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38399	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38400	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38401	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38403	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38404	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: cichlid food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38406	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38407	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38408	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38409	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38411	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38412	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: cichlid food
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38413	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38414	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Cleaning and re-starting a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38415	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38416	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38417	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38418	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38419	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38420	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38421	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38422	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38423	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38424	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38425	From: bill1433	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38426	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38427	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38428	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38429	From: gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38430	From: Gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38431	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38432	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38433	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38434	From: bill1433	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38435	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: re about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38436	From: gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38437	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: re about filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38439	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38440	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38441	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38442	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38443	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38444	From: bill1433	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38445	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38446	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38447	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38448	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38449	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38450	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38451	From: bill1433	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38452	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38453	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38454	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: am happy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38455	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: am happy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38456	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: am happy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38457	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38458	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38459	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38460	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38461	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38462	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38463	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38465	From: Gilbert	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Hello.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38466	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38467	From: Gilbert	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38468	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38469	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38470	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38471	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38472	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: water testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38473	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38474	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38475	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38476	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38477	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Animal Rights Groups
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38478	From: greychildren	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38479	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38480	From: jett07002	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38481	From: darlene	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38482	From: nevenash11	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: 800,000
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38483	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Animal Rights Groups
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38484	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38485	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38486	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38487	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38488	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Changing filter media in an established tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38489	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38490	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38491	From: isink_1080	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38493	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38494	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38496	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38497	From: Matthew O' Farrell	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: 800,000
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38498	From: Enid	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38499	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38500	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38501	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38502	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38503	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38505	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38506	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38508	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38509	From: RPI	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38510	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38511	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38512	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38513	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38514	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38515	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38516	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38517	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38518	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38519	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38521	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38522	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38523	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38524	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38525	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38526	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38527	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38528	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38529	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38530	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38531	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38532	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38533	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38534	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38535	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38536	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38537	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38538	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Junk in emails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38539	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: about something that is a bit odd to me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38540	From: William	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38541	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38542	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38543	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38544	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: about something that is a bit odd to me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38546	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: White
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38547	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38548	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: about something that is a bit odd to me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38549	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38550	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38551	From: Gail	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38552	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38553	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38554	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Found a few fry in my filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38555	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38556	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38557	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38558	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: White
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38559	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38560	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38561	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38562	From: Byron	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38563	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38564	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38565	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38566	From: yofiguy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: "glue" bio-balls and lid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38567	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38568	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38569	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Sump v Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38570	From: Byron	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38571	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38572	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38574	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38575	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38576	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38577	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38578	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38579	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38580	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Found a few fry in my filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38581	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38582	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: DIY Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38583	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38584	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38585	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38586	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38587	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38588	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38589	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38591	From: Troy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38592	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38593	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38594	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38595	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38596	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38597	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38598	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38599	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38600	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38601	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38602	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38603	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38604	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38605	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38606	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38607	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38608	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38610	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38611	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Len, thanks for the link
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38612	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38613	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: About Betsy, my Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38614	From: yofiguy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38615	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38616	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38617	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38618	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38619	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38620	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38621	From: tootsie2toes2	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: cloudy water with foam on the top
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38622	From: greychildren	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38623	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38624	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38625	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: cloudy water with foam on the top
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38627	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: cloudy water with foam on the top
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38628	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38629	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38630	From: Troy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38631	From: Troy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38632	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38633	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38635	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: House Bill 669 - A Bill To Block The Importation Of Non-Native Speci
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38637	From: Lisa	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Mexican walking fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38638	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38639	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38640	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38641	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38643	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38644	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Mexican walking fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38645	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38646	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38648	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38649	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38651	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38652	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38653	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38654	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38656	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38657	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38658	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38659	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38660	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38661	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38662	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: glass substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38663	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38664	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: glass substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38665	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38666	From: gail	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38667	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38668	From: gail	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38669	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38671	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38672	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38673	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: glass substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38674	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: about Otocinclus sp.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38675	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38676	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38678	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38679	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38680	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38681	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38682	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38683	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38684	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38685	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38686	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38687	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38688	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38689	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38690	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38691	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: For \\Steve// and Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38692	From: Troy	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38693	From: darlene	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / L
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38694	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38695	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38696	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38697	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Imagine finding this in your tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38698	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38699	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38700	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38701	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38702	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38703	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38704	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38705	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38706	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38707	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38708	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38709	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38710	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38711	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Need advice in making a tank divider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38712	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38713	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38714	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38715	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38716	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38717	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38718	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38720	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38721	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38722	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38723	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38724	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38725	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38727	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami death (was: A Quite Mail Day?)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38728	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38729	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38730	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38731	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Scouting Shells
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38732	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami death (was: A Quite Mail Day?)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38733	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38734	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38736	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38737	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38738	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38739	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38741	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38742	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38743	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38746	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38747	From: Lisa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38748	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38749	From: Troy	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38750	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38751	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38752	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38754	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Filter media Q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38755	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38756	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38757	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mexican walking fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38758	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38759	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38760	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38761	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38762	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38764	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38765	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38766	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38767	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38768	From: kfm241	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: rainbow fish diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38769	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38770	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38771	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38772	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38773	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38774	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38775	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38776	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38777	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38778	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38779	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38780	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38781	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38782	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38783	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38784	From: Darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Lenny - new pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38785	From: darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Silver dollars / Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38787	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38788	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38789	From: darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38790	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38791	From: Suzi	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Homepage pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38792	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38793	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38794	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38795	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38796	From: pam andress	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38797	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38798	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38799	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38800	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38801	From: Troy	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38802	From: mosquitokr2002	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38803	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38804	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38805	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38806	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38809	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38810	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38811	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38812	From: darlene	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38813	From: Suzi	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38814	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: H.R. 669--Members of the Sub
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38815	From: Ronald S. Winkley	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38816	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: rainbow fish diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38817	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38818	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: redoing my frog/guppy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38819	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38820	From: mosquitokr2002	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38821	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38822	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38823	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: redoing my frog/guppy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38824	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38825	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: redoing my frog/guppy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38826	From: kfm241	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: rainbow fish diet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38827	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38828	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38829	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38830	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38831	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38832	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38833	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38834	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38835	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38836	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38837	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38838	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38839	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38840	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38841	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38842	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38843	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38844	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38845	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38846	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38847	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38848	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38849	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38850	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38851	From: secretserval	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38852	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38853	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38856	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38857	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38859	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38861	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38862	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38864	From: Troy	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38865	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38866	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38867	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38868	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38869	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38870	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38871	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38872	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38873	From: ED	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38874	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38875	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38876	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38877	From: jett07002	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38878	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38879	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38880	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38881	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38882	From: pam andress	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38883	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38885	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38886	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38887	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38888	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38889	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38890	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish---Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38891	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: glass anemones / hair algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38892	From: gail	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38893	From: secretserval	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38894	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish---Amber
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38895	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38896	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38897	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38898	From: secretserval	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38899	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38900	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38901	From: nice6669	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: nitrates off the hook
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38902	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38903	From: darlene	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38904	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38905	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38907	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38908	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: nitrates off the hook
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38909	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38910	From: William	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38911	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38912	From: Troy	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38913	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38914	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38915	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38916	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38917	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38918	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38919	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38920	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38921	From: secretserval	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38922	From: secretserval	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38923	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38924	From: bill1433	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: nitrates off the hook
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38925	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38926	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38927	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38928	From: o1bigtenor	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38929	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38931	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38932	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38933	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38934	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38935	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38936	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38937	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38938	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38939	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38941	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38944	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38946	From: William	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38947	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38948	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38949	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38950	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38951	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38952	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38953	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38954	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38956	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38957	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38958	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38959	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38960	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38961	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38962	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38963	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38964	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38965	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38966	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38967	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38968	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38969	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38970	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38971	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38972	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38973	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38974	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38975	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38978	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38983	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38985	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38986	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38987	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: FW: Guide to the Early States of Fishes in the California Current Re
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38989	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38990	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38991	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38992	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38993	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38994	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38995	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38996	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38997	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38998	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38999	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39000	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39001	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39002	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39003	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39004	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39005	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39006	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39008	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39009	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39010	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Red tail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39011	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39012	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39013	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39014	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39015	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39016	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39017	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39018	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39019	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39020	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39021	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39022	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39023	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39024	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39025	From: anne carrera	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39026	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39027	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39028	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39029	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39030	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39031	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39032	From: bill1433	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39033	From: ED	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39034	From: red-eye	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39036	From: bill1433	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39037	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39038	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: just a few things
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39040	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39041	From: gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39042	From: ED	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39043	From: Gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39044	From: Chrissy	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39045	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39046	From: gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39047	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39048	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39049	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39050	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39051	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: about lights
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39052	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39053	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39054	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39055	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39056	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39057	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39058	From: darlene	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39059	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39060	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39061	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39062	From: pam andress	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39063	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39064	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39065	From: caroline	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39066	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39068	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39069	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39070	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39071	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39072	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39073	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39074	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39075	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39076	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39077	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39078	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39079	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39080	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39081	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39082	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39083	From: red-eye	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39084	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39086	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39087	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39088	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39089	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39090	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39091	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39092	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39093	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39094	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39095	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39096	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39097	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39098	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39099	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39101	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39102	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39103	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39104	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39105	From: Gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39106	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39107	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39108	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39109	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39110	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39111	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: About my first set of fishes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39112	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39113	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39114	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39115	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39116	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39117	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39118	From: Kelly	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: New Member Intro - Kelly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39119	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39120	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Intro - Kelly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39122	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39123	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39124	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39125	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39126	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39127	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39128	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39129	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39130	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39131	From: gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39132	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39133	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39134	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39135	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39136	From: gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39137	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39138	From: Kelly	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Intro - Kelly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39140	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39141	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39142	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39143	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39144	From: greychildren	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39145	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39146	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39148	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39149	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39150	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39151	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39152	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39153	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39154	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39155	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39156	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39157	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39158	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39160	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39161	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39162	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39163	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39164	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39165	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39166	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39167	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39168	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39169	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39170	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39171	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39172	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39173	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39174	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39175	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39176	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: About my first set of fishes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39177	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39178	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39179	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39180	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39181	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39182	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39183	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39184	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39185	From: Wendie	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39186	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39187	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39188	From: hank voss	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39189	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39190	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39191	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39192	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39193	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: For red-eye on gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39195	From: skwirrley2	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39196	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39197	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39198	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39199	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39200	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39201	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39202	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39203	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39204	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39205	From: darlene	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39206	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39207	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39208	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39209	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39210	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39211	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39212	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39213	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39214	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39215	From: darlene	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39216	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39217	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39218	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Snails - Grey!!! I want snails!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39220	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39221	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39222	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39223	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ottos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39224	From: bill1433	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39225	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: red tailed catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39226	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Snails - Grey!!! I want snails!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39227	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39228	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39229	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39230	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39231	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39232	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39233	From: darlene	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39234	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39235	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39236	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39237	From: bill1433	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39239	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39240	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39242	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Check out HSUS AR Insanity Laws Again,AB1122 for California « Pet D
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39244	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39245	From: red-eye	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39246	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39247	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39248	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39249	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Master Test Kits versus Digital Testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39251	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Happy Easter Everybody!!!... but BEWARE OF IDENTITY THEFT THIS EASTE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39253	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39254	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39255	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39256	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39257	From: jocie stock	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Easter Everybody!!!... but BEWARE OF IDENTITY THEFT THIS E
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39258	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Master Test Kits versus Digital Testers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39259	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39260	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39262	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39263	From: William	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39264	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39265	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39266	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39267	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39268	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: hr669. Grandfather clause
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39269	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39270	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39271	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39272	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39273	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39275	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39276	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39277	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39278	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39279	From: bill1433	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39280	From: ED	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39281	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39282	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39283	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39284	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39285	From: Kelly	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39286	From: Troy	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39287	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39288	From: red-eye	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39289	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39290	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39291	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39292	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39293	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39294	From: gail	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick - UPDATE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39295	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39296	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39298	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick - UPDATE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39299	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39300	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39302	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39303	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39304	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39305	From: red-eye	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39306	From: Byron	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39307	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39308	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39309	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39310	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39311	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39312	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39313	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39314	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39315	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39316	From: gail	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39317	From: Kelly	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39318	From: Troy	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39319	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39320	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39321	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39322	From: warrenprint@yahoo.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39323	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39324	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39325	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39326	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39327	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39328	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39329	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39330	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39331	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39332	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39333	From: Alina	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39334	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39335	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39336	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39337	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39338	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39339	From: warrenprint@yahoo.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39340	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39341	From: Rhonda	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: HR 669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39342	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: I hate stupid people
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39343	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39344	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: I hate stupid people
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39346	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39347	From: Kelly	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Pyjama Cardinals - Question about group sizes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39348	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: I hate stupid people
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39349	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39350	From: Kelly	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39351	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39352	From: darlene	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: New Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39354	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39355	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39356	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39357	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39358	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39359	From: Wendie	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39360	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39362	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39363	From: bill1433	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39364	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39365	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39366	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39367	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39368	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39369	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39370	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39372	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39373	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39374	From: betti@optonline.net	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39375	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39376	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Sorry to spoil your day Lenny :-)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39377	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39378	From: bill1433	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Late Bulletin On The Computer Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Sorry to spoil your day Lenny :-)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39380	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39381	From: Jerry	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Pending Legislation that will Impact the Aquarium Hobby -Info and Vi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39382	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39383	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Late Bulletin On The Computer Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39384	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39385	From: Jerry	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: HR669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39386	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39387	From: Gail	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39388	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39389	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39390	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39391	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39392	From: Shannon Byers	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39393	From: gail	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39394	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39395	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39396	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39397	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39398	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: T5 upgrade
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39399	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39400	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39401	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39403	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: T5 upgrade
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39404	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: pH - KH relationship
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39405	From: darlene	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: FW: [TheGreyPlayRoundTable] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39407	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOU
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39409	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39410	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39411	From: bill1433	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39412	From: darlene	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39413	From: Jerry	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: HR669 committee vote on April23
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39414	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39415	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39416	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: : The New England aquariums posistion on hr 669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39417	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39418	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: test results - help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39419	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39420	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39421	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39422	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39423	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39424	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39425	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39426	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39427	From: Troy	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: : The New England aquariums posistion on hr 669
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39428	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39429	From: Raymond Tremor	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39430	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39431	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39432	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39433	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39434	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39435	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39436	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39437	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39438	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39439	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39440	From: William	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39441	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39442	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39443	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39444	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39445	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39446	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39447	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39448	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39449	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39450	From: Mark Nelson	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39451	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39452	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39454	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39455	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39456	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39457	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39458	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39460	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39461	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39462	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39463	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39465	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39466	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39467	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39468	From: Springer,James C.	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39469	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39470	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39471	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39472	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39473	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39474	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39475	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39476	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39478	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39479	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39480	From: pam andress	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: More on HR 669 - GovTrack.us Tracked Events for 02/14/2009 - 04/20/2
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39482	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39483	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39484	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39485	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39486	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39487	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39488	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39489	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39490	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39491	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39493	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: watch the H.R.669 Hearing Live
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39494	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: watch the H.R.669 Hearing Live
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39496	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39498	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39499	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39500	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39501	From: jett07002	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39502	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39503	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39504	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39505	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39506	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39507	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39508	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39510	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39511	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39512	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39513	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39514	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39515	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39516	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39517	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39518	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39519	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39520	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39521	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39523	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39524	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Check Mail Form---Members Disregard
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39525	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39528	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39529	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39530	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39531	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39532	From: Debra	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: HR 669 - Take action now!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39533	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39534	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Hear are the people that are going to be speaking at the hearing for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39535	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39536	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39537	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39538	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39539	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39540	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39541	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39543	From: greychildren	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39544	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39546	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39547	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39548	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Check out Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): Will
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): W
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39550	From: Debra	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39551	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39552	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Debra's Fluval questions about power outage.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39553	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39554	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! - Gone OT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39555	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39556	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39557	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Debra's Fluval questions about power outage.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39558	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39559	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39560	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39561	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39562	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39563	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39564	From: hank voss	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39565	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39566	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39567	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39568	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39569	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39570	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39571	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: HR 669 hearing is on!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39572	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39574	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39575	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39576	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39577	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39578	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39579	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39580	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39581	From: David Keymel	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39582	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39583	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39584	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39585	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39586	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39587	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39589	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39590	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Comittee hearing for HR 669 if you missed it today
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39591	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39592	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39593	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39594	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39595	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39596	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39597	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39598	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39599	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39600	From: gail	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39601	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39602	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39603	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39604	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39605	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39606	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39607	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39608	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39610	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39611	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39612	From: gail	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39613	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39614	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39615	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39616	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39617	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39618	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39619	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39620	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39621	From: Kelly	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39622	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39623	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39624	From: greychildren	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: hi ya guys
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39625	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39626	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39627	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39628	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39629	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39630	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39631	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39632	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39633	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39634	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39635	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39636	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39637	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39638	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39639	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39640	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39641	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39642	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39643	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: About Oreochromis niloticus was chin chin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39644	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39645	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39646	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39647	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39648	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39649	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39650	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39651	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39652	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39653	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39654	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39655	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39656	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39657	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39658	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39659	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39660	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39661	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39662	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39663	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39665	From: red-eye	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39666	From: red-eye	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39668	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39669	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39670	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39671	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39672	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39673	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39674	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Plants - Water Onion
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39675	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39676	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Plants - Water Onion
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39677	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39679	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39680	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39681	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39682	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39683	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39684	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39685	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39686	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39687	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39688	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39689	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39690	From: Troy	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39691	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39692	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39693	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39694	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39695	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39696	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Book for Aquarium and plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39697	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39698	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39699	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39700	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39701	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Bichir Emergency !!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39702	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39703	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39704	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39705	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39707	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39708	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39709	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39710	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39711	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39712	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39713	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39715	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39716	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39718	From: bill1433	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39719	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39720	From: hank voss	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39721	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39722	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39723	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39724	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39725	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39726	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39727	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39728	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39729	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39730	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39731	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39732	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39733	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39734	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39736	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reaso
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39737	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39738	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39739	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39741	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39742	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39743	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39745	From: Troy	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39746	From: Byron	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39747	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39748	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39749	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39750	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39751	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39752	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39755	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39756	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39757	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39758	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39759	From: Suzi	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39760	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39762	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39764	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39765	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39766	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: hiding bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39767	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39768	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39769	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: hiding bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39770	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39771	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39772	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39773	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39774	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39775	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39776	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39777	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39778	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39779	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39780	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39781	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39782	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39783	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39784	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39785	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39787	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39788	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39789	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39790	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39791	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39792	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39793	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39794	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39795	From: gail	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39796	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39797	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39798	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Angelfish babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39799	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39800	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39801	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39802	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39803	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39804	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39805	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39806	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39808	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39809	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39810	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39811	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39813	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39814	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39815	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39816	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39817	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39818	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39819	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39820	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39821	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: betta update
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39822	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39823	From: jett07002	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39824	From: Troy	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39825	From: Prince	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39826	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39827	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39828	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39829	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39830	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39831	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39832	From: William	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39833	From: Wendie	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39834	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Male betta....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39837	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39838	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39839	From: red-eye	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39840	From: gail	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Male betta....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39841	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39842	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39843	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39844	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39845	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39846	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39848	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39849	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39850	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39851	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39852	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39853	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39856	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39857	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39859	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39860	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39861	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39862	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39863	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39864	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39865	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39867	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39868	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39869	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39870	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39871	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39872	From: Aubrey	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Goldfish tank questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39873	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39874	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39875	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39876	From: wcnida	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39877	From: Troy	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39878	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39879	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39880	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39881	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39882	From: gail	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39883	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39885	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39886	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39887	From: amsterbaum	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: substitute for biocube filter?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39888	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39889	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Glofish fanciers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39890	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39891	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39893	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39894	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39895	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: substitute for biocube filter?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39896	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39897	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39898	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39899	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39900	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39901	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39902	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39903	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39904	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39905	From: greychildren	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39907	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39908	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39909	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39910	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39911	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39912	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39913	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article ma
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39914	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39915	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39916	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39917	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39918	From: Troy	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39919	From: Byron	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39920	From: skwirrley2	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Fresh water clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39921	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39922	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39923	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39924	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Puffer fish photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39925	From: David Keymel	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39926	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39927	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39928	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39929	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39931	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39932	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39933	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39934	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39935	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39936	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39938	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39939	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39940	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39941	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: FW: HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owners Speak Out
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39942	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Monster catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39944	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39945	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39946	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39947	From: red-eye	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39948	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39949	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39950	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39951	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39952	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Fwd: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owne
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39953	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39954	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39956	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39957	From: mattsmom	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: I have pollywogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39958	From: Suzi	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39959	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39960	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39961	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39962	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39963	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39964	From: ED	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39965	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39966	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39967	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39968	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39969	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39970	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39971	From: Suzi	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39972	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39973	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39974	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39975	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39976	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39978	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39979	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Live aquaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39983	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39984	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39985	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39986	From: Byron	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39988	From: Suzi	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39989	From: Suzi	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39990	From: red-eye	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: testing for Iron
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39991	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39992	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: testing for Iron
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39993	From: bruce cohen	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: divers den
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39994	From: red-eye	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39995	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39996	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39997	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39998	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39999	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40000	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40001	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40003	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40004	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40005	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40006	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40007	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Amber's Aquarium Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40008	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40009	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40010	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40011	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40012	From: bill1433	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Low pH for finding fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40013	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40014	From: replenissh37	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: AlgaeIntank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40015	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Low pH for finding fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40016	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40017	From: bill1433	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Low pH for finding fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40018	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: AlgaeIntank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40019	From: poofliger23	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: tank sprung a leak
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40020	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40021	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40022	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40023	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: AlgaeIntank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40024	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40025	From: jett07002	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40026	From: diogenes33	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40027	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40028	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Monster catfish`
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40029	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40030	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40031	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40032	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40033	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40034	From: babyhellcat69	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40036	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40037	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40038	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40039	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Some Really Good Photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40040	From: pam andress	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Some Really Good Photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40041	From: Lisa	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40042	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40043	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40044	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40045	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40046	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40047	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40048	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40049	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40050	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40051	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40052	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40054	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40055	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40056	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40057	From: gail	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40058	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40059	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40060	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40061	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40062	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Cuttlebone----Len
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40063	From: David Keymel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40064	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40065	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40066	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40068	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40069	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40070	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40071	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40072	From: diogenes33	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Ich problem update
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem update
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40074	From: David Keymel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40075	From: tmgarza84	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: reef tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40076	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40077	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40078	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40079	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40080	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this./Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40081	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40082	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40083	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: reef tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40086	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40087	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40088	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40089	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40090	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40091	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40092	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Otos stable at 4 in tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40093	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40094	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40095	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40096	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40097	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40098	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40099	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: PICNIC acronym and other computer stuff (was: Losing Cory's)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40101	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40102	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40103	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40104	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40105	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40106	From: babyhellcat69	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40108	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40109	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40110	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer vs. FF vs. Whatever
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40111	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40112	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40113	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40114	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this./Lenny
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40115	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer vs. FF vs. Whatever
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40116	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40117	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40118	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40119	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40120	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40121	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40122	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40123	From: Kelly	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40124	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40125	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40126	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40127	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40128	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40129	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: My LFS & Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40130	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40131	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40132	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40133	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40134	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40135	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40136	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40137	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40138	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40139	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40140	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40141	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40142	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40144	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40145	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40146	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40147	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40148	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40149	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40150	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40151	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40152	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: comet fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40153	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40154	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40155	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40156	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40157	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40158	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40160	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40161	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40162	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40163	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40164	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40165	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: comet fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40166	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40167	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: comet fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40168	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40169	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40170	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40171	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40172	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40173	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40174	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: My LFS & Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40175	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40177	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40178	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40179	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40180	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40181	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40182	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40183	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40184	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40185	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40187	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40188	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40189	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40190	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40191	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40192	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40193	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40195	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40196	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40197	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40198	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40199	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40200	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40201	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40202	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40203	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40204	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40205	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40206	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40207	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40208	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40209	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40210	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40211	From: darlene	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40212	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40213	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40214	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40216	From: Debra	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Woo Hoo I have babies! Was Comet Goldfish...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40217	From: genealogyresearcher7	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40218	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40219	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40220	From: jett07002	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40221	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40222	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40223	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40224	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40225	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40226	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40227	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40228	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40229	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40230	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40231	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40232	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40233	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40235	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40236	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40237	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40238	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40239	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40240	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40242	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40243	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40244	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40245	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40246	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40247	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Five Plan DualClean filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40248	From: greychildren	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40249	From: bill1433	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40250	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40251	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40253	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40254	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40255	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40256	From: bill1433	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40257	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Five Plan DualClean filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40258	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: More Antibiotic Dosages
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40259	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40260	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Dr. Tim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40261	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40262	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Five Plan DualClean filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40263	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40264	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40265	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40266	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40267	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40268	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40269	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40270	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40271	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40272	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40273	From: nice6669	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40275	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40276	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40277	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40278	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40279	From: Debra	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40280	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40281	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40282	From: bill1433	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40283	From: mojtaba_r_sheshkal	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: offshore cage project
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40284	From: William	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40285	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: H.R. 669 Hearing Update - from FishChannel.com newsletter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40286	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Hearing Update - from FishChannel.com newsletter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40287	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: update on the 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40288	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Question about Pearlweed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40289	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40291	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40292	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40293	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40294	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40295	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40296	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40298	From: Debra	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40299	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40300	From: bill1433	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40301	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40302	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40303	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Norman's Lampeye
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40304	From: yofiguy	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: job and care
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40305	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40307	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: update on the 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40308	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: update on the 55 gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40309	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: job and care
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40310	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40311	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40312	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Nesaea pedicellata
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40313	From: bill1433	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Yoo-Hoo All Newbies on List
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40314	From: pam andress	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40315	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Stocking questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40316	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Norman's Lampeye
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40317	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40318	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40319	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40320	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Yoo-Hoo All Newbies on List
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Norman's Lampeye
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40324	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40325	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40326	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Fwd: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40327	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40328	From: Darlene	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40330	From: bill1433	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40331	From: Darlene	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40332	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40333	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40334	From: sandi turner	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40336	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40337	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40338	From: Debra	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40340	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Odd behavior in my guppy's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40341	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40342	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40343	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40344	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40346	From: Debra	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40347	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Norman's Lampeye
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40348	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40349	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Dwarf Water Lily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40351	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40352	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Dwarf Water Lily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40354	From: Snert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Question about a refugium... sort of
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40355	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40356	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40357	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a refugium... sort of
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40358	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40359	From: harry perry	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size/Old age
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40360	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40361	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40362	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40363	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40364	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40365	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40366	From: Snert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a refugium... sort of
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40368	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: dwarf water lily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40369	From: harry perry	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: A new home page pic.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40370	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: dwarf water lily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40371	From: harry perry	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Cloudy Water Test
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40372	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water Test
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40373	From: Snert	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: FW plants for high pH tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40374	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water Test
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40375	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40376	From: red-eye	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40378	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: A Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: A Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40380	From: red-eye	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40381	From: Snert	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40382	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Check out YouTube - ABC News Atlanta Exposé on HSUS Donations
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40383	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: In July's issue of Aquarium Fish.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40384	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40385	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40386	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40387	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40388	From: Snert	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40389	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Baby Angels again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40390	From: cody adams	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40391	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40392	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40393	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40394	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40395	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40396	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40397	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40398	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40399	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40400	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40401	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40402	From: redeye1991	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: red-eye
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40403	From: grace42101 milobear	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40404	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Bluegills
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40405	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Thank you for your knowledge , have to go no mail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40408	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40409	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40411	From: jett07002	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40412	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40413	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40414	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40415	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40416	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40417	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40418	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40419	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40420	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40421	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40422	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40423	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40424	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40425	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40426	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40427	From: Debra	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40428	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40429	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Fw: following up on HR 669 [7 Attachments]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40430	From: Snerticus	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40431	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40432	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40433	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40434	From: Debra	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40435	From: harry perry	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Live plants.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40436	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40437	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40438	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40439	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40440	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40441	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40442	From: hank voss	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40443	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40444	From: bill1433	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40445	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40447	From: harry perry	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Bill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40448	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40449	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40451	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40452	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40453	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40454	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40455	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40456	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40457	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40458	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40460	From: Snerticus	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40461	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40462	From: harry perry	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Swamp Monster???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40463	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40464	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Swamp Monster???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40466	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Hum
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40467	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40468	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Expose on HSUS
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40469	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40470	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to Th
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40471	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40472	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40473	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40474	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40475	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40476	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40478	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40479	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40480	From: cat.rose	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40482	From: Debra	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40483	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40484	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: More Jokes and Cartoons added to my blog's "Fish Jokes & Cartoons" p
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40485	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40486	From: pkr772	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40487	From: harry perry	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40488	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40489	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40490	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40491	From: harry perry	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus/Aquaticz
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40492	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40493	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40494	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40495	From: jett07002	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40497	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus/Aquaticz
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40498	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40499	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40500	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: OT -- HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40501	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40502	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40503	From: Chris Owens	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG mag
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40505	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40506	From: pkr772	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Goldfish/ larger tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40508	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40510	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40511	From: jett07002	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40512	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Cory Catfish and question about eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40513	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40514	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40515	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40516	From: Chris Owens	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40517	From: portiesrule2@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Hello, I am new and new to fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40518	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40519	From: kim	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello, I am new and new to fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40523	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40524	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40525	From: greychildren	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40526	From: greychildren	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40527	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40528	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40529	From: pam andress	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello, I am new and new to fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40530	From: pam andress	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40531	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40532	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40533	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40534	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40535	From: bill1433	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40536	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40537	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40538	From: bill1433	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40539	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40540	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40541	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40543	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40544	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40545	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40546	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40547	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40548	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40550	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40551	From: dani_in_nd	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank -another question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40552	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank -another question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40553	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40554	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40555	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40556	From: me	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40557	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40558	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40559	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40560	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40561	From: Debra	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40562	From: kim	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send link
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40563	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40564	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40565	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Severum behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40566	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Take care from Aquaticz-----> Re: Coolest looking koi pond with
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40567	From: jett07002	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40568	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40569	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40570	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40571	From: Debra	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40572	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40573	From: greychildren	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40574	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40575	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40576	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40577	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40578	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40579	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: California bill SB250
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40580	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40581	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40582	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40583	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40584	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40585	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send l
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40586	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40587	From: cat.rose	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Platy is bloated
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40589	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40591	From: cheryl smith	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40592	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40593	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40594	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40595	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40596	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40597	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40598	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40599	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40600	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40601	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Platy is bloated
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40602	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40603	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Platy is bloated
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40604	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40605	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40606	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40607	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40608	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40610	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40611	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40612	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40613	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40614	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40615	From: bill1433	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40617	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Top Photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40618	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40619	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40620	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos (and now Lenny's recollection of a GREAT dive trip)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40621	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos (and now Lenny's recollection of a GREAT dive trip)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40622	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40623	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40624	From: bill1433	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40625	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Now about DIY easy tank stands (was: Angels and floating plants)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40627	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35103	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Algae eaters.

Lisa, Besides what has already been recommended, I see no reason why a Siamese Algae Eater (Crossocheilus siamensis) could not be included in this group. While peaceful, and compatible with Swordtails, they do get to 6" though and would require a larger tank (I don't know where you're drawing the line at "small species"). I mention them primarily as besides being compatible with most other species, they are excellent consumers of a variety of different algaes. If your LFS allows trade ins, you could always take them up on this courtesy if/when your SAE gets too large, and swap it for a smaller specimen, especially if you have algaes that are otherwise proving to be troublesome. Being a Cyprinid however, and therefore being related to the Red Tail Shark, there may be some territorial aggression if you include it with this species. Care must be taken too, to not mistakenly get a Chinese Algae Eater, or the "False Siamese Algae Eater," both looking somewhat similar. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > What would be some good small species algae eaters that are compatable > with swordtails? > > Thanks > > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35104	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

A sponge filter would be fine (it's probably a good idea to keep one running on your big tank all the time so it's always cycled) but a small HOB would be OK... just put a large sponge block over the intake screen. If you don't have aquarium safe sponge blocks handy, then some filter floss padding covering the intake and a rubber band or nylon zip tie will also work... just something to diffuse the suction intake and to keep the fry from getting sucked in if they get too close. If you don't want to keep an extra filter running on your tank all the time, then just put some extra filter media in the reservoir of one of your filters so you can use that extra filter media in the newly set up filter on the grow-out tank. Your LFS should have brine shrimp eggs for sale or other fry food. If they don't, then order a package of the frozen brine shrimp eggs so you can grow your own when needed. Read over them articles I gave you for other fry foods. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs what would be the best filter to use or would a normal powerfilter be okay? I would hate to suck up any newborn fry. I also don't have the proper food to feed them either, and I doubt my fish store can supply me with any, so I may as well forget about that though at least for now ;) but thanks for the help :) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar of > their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish in > the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by > the parents. > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of > them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter > siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick > around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another tank > with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to > provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > > last night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > > the fish had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > another batch later or something. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one > female > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each > other > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > something > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it > > > > is > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > > > > and is apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud > > > > coming out > as he > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two > of them > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > likely is it > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > aquarium with > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it > > > > might help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > > afterall > it's a > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they > are both > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased > in size > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting > female > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more > > > > to come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > > with > eggs on > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that > be a bad > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35105	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems (lock- ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that your present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster response on my part would not have changed this. With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry gathered to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore and wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other fish in short time. You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the parents decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat these eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at least 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will make a meal of the Angel fry. If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you may try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down to them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally to promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid divider of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation and proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of time needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be eaten by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not the best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned up against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which would often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have the intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a clear divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other fish) to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they want to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank of their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the Angel pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves until there is nothing left of the plant. BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color pattern. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch > later or something. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one female > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each other > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured something > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it is > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as he > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two of them > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how likely is it > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive aquarium with > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it might > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are both > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased in size > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting female > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more to > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf with eggs on > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that be a bad > > > idea? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35106	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Amber, An air-operated sponge filter would be best (and safest) for Angelfish fry. While a power filter having its intake covered with a sponge barrier may work with those filters having a control to adjust/reduce its flow, without such a provision the fry can still be sucked up against the sponge material when venturing too close if the flow is too strong. Probably just a slip of the the tongue (finger), but while newly- hatched brine shrimp are available frozen (no, they won't become alive when thawed) as a convenient method to feed them to fish fry, brine shrimp eggs do not come frozen. The serious Angelfish breeder intent on raising this species should hatch their own baby brine shrimp for best success as this is agreed to be the most nutitious food one can offer fish fry -- with micro-worms being considered the second best fry food. For the occasional breeder of fish, a fai amount of success will still be had when feeding frozen newly-hatched brine shrimp to their fry, provided this food is kept in circulation by mild aeration (via an airstone), which imparts some "action" to this food as if it might be alive; this food, when settled to the bottom, is not as eagerly taken. Brine shrimp eggs are bought in a container off the shelf, to be hatched in a solution of salt water. Herein lies the problem when confronted by the smaller or occasional breeder of fish requiring this as their first food. The longer brine shrimp eggs remain on the shelf, the less fecundity can be expected of the hatch as the hatching rate (percentage) diminishes with time, especially at normal room temperature (not to mention summertime temperatures). The most convenient and economical packaging of brine shrimp eggs the infrequent breeder can buy is a small vial of an ounce or less; slightly larger amounts of up to a 3.5 ounce can is also offered. Unfortunately, as this packaging is aimed for the infrequent breeder of fish (serious breeders buy brine shrimp eggs in larger quanties of 1 pound cans), these smaller amounts often remain on the shelf for extended periods of time, often resulting in very poor (or no) hatch. For this reason, it must be decided on how much fish raising one wants to enter into when condidering how large of a container of shrimp eggs to purchase, unless its decided just to take a chance on th smaller quantities hatching rate. Larger quanties will last a good amount of time provided they're refigerated. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > A sponge filter would be fine (it's probably a good idea to keep one running > on your big tank all the time so it's always cycled) but a small HOB would > be OK... just put a large sponge block over the intake screen. If you don't > have aquarium safe sponge blocks handy, then some filter floss padding > covering the intake and a rubber band or nylon zip tie will also work... > just something to diffuse the suction intake and to keep the fry from > getting sucked in if they get too close. If you don't want to keep an extra > filter running on your tank all the time, then just put some extra filter > media in the reservoir of one of your filters so you can use that extra > filter media in the newly set up filter on the grow-out tank. > > Your LFS should have brine shrimp eggs for sale or other fry food. If they > don't, then order a package of the frozen brine shrimp eggs so you can grow > your own when needed. Read over them articles I gave you for other fry > foods. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > what would be the best filter to use or would a normal powerfilter be okay? > I would hate to suck up any newborn fry. I also don't have the proper food > to feed them either, and I doubt my fish store can supply me with any, so I > may as well forget about that though at least for now ;) but thanks for the > help :) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar of > > their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish in > > the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a > > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by > > the parents. > > > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of > > them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants > > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and > > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter > > siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick > > around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another tank > > with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to > > provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > > > last night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > > > the fish had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > > another batch later or something. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one > > female > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each > > other > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > > something > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it > > > > > is > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > > > > > and is apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud > > > > > coming out > > as he > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two > > of them > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > likely is it > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > > aquarium with > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it > > > > > might help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > > > afterall > > it's a > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they > > are both > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased > > in size > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting > > female > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more > > > > > to come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > > > with > > eggs on > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that > > be a bad > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > > that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35107	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Amber, Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum 350 with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various spare parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to the parts for the 350 as well.... Thanks again, Jim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they are made by > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link to see if > it's the same filter. > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595 > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom of the hoses > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm wondering > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of the > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn brown instead > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, hehe). I would > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved down them to > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are careful, don't > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, forget > precisely what they are called but they come in different lengths). If > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's easy enough > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would make sure you > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak point in > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the hose to > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I would > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over tighten > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any outflowing if the > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are still > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of forgetting to turn > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all sorts of > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of course I had > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, LOL). I made > the hugest mess though! > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water (make sure to > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous owners didn't > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both sides of the > valves off before separating, and then after separating them and pulling > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open the valves > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get the lid off > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do this make > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large bucket/rubbermaid > container because there will be a little overflow from what was in the > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another incident I > had, LOL. > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I swear, > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as you're not > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at me, LOL). > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free to let me > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough quirks in the > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio-wheel but it's > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself goes. > > Amber > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the 5/8" tubing > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in place of those > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better off getting > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement rubber > > bands... > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in line" on your > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't start to suck > > water out of the tank..... > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35108	From: bill1433	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Hi \\Steve//   Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? First, how much per gallon? Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? For how long?   Happy New Year To You!   Bill --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by the parents. If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch > later or something. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one female > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each other > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured something > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it is > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as he > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two of them > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how likely is it > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive aquarium with > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it might > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are both > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased in size > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting female > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more to > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf with eggs on > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that be a bad > > > idea? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35109	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

3-4 drops per gallon. You would not be changing the water from the time the eggs and metylene blue is added. It is used the help prevent fungus affecting the eggs. Once the fry hatch in a few days, and you start doing regular water changes, you will be removing it from the water. Some will argue that it is not necessary. Whatever works best for you. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > Hi \\Steve// > > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > First, how much per gallon? > Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene blue to the PWC'sIas > the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > For how long? > > Happy New Year To You! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several times, before they get it > "right" and understand that making caviar of their young may not be such a good idea. If > there are other fish in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a feast > also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by the parents. > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of them in a 40 gallon > tank or better for breeding along with the appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical > broad leafed plants (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and cross > your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter siphon tube instead. Then, if > you want to ensure the eggs stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to > another tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to provide water > movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf > Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch > > later or something. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one female > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each other > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured something > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it is > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as he > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two of them > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how likely is it > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive aquarium with > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it might > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are both > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased in size > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting female > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more to > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf with eggs on > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that be a bad > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & > if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35110	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Cukes for pleco

This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR! **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing the info at this time. While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching the fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as an egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing eggs. The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for them, depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/uses from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which is "overkill" and totally unnecessary). Part of this equation too depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago as up to 10%. There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what I see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found that about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing PWC's if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and will be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Hi \\Steve// >   > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > First, how much per gallon? > Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > For how long? >   > Happy New Year To You! >   > Bill > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by the parents. > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch > > later or something. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one female > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each other > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured something > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it is > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as he > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two of them > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how likely is it > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive aquarium with > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it might > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are both > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased in size > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting female > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more to > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf with eggs on > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that be a bad > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35112	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

I just clean mine off, split it down the middle length wise and put it in the tank with the rind still on it. Some plecos will eat only the flesh while others will eat the rind only. I also use green squash the exact same way. They love it and will spend the entire day and night eating it. Just don't leave it in more than a few hours as it will mess up the tank when it falls apart. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwydryn@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR! **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35113	From: bill1433	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Hi Ray! � Just thinking down range a bit.� While it�s true I have no interest in Angles at the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do represent an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".� I don�t think I need go any further on that point, as I know that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. � Also, we cannot discount \\Steve�s // over all knowledge, and if there is a chance too seek addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two from �this inquiring mind�. � Happy New Year To You Too!� I understand from previous postings that the computer is giving you �fits� again? � Bill � --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing the info at this time. While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching the fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as an egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing eggs. The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for them, depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/ uses from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which is "overkill" and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago as up to 10%. There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what I see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found that about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing PWC's if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and will be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > Hi \\Steve// > � > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > First, how much per gallon? > Second,�assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > For how long? > � > Happy New Year To You! > � > Bill > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by the parents. > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch > > later or something. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one female > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each other > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured something > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it is > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as he > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two of them > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how likely is it > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive aquarium with > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it might > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are both > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased in size > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting female > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are more to > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf with eggs on > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that be a bad > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..>< ((((�> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<� ((((><���`�.��. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35114	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good environment for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started to breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black striped angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much more colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like the rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has all he will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, and also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't seem to do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the top of his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one of them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier Koi, LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank (since it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that route, my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order that and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps later down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even fully grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my severum is out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already getting his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), he's easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so preoccupied with the holidays lately. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems (lock- > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that your > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > response on my part would not have changed this. > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry gathered > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore and > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > fish in short time. > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the parents > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat these > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at least > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will make > a meal of the Angel fry. > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you may > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down to > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally to > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid divider > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation and > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of time > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be eaten > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not the > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned up > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which would > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have the > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a clear > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other fish) > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they want > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank of > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the Angel > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color pattern. > Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > last > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the > fish > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another > batch > > later or something. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one > female > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > each other > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > something > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it > is > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > and is > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > out as he > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two > of them > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > likely is it > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > aquarium with > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it > might > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall > it's a > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they > are both > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased > in size > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting > female > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > more to > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > with eggs on > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that > be a bad > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35115	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

I noticed awhile back that DFS has a contraption that hooks up to the back/side of the tank and will let out hatched brine shrimp periodically without adding any salt water to the tank, has anyone used this reliably? I considered getting one, but I've also seen home made hatcheries online too. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Amber, An air-operated sponge filter would be best (and safest) for > Angelfish fry. While a power filter having its intake covered with a > sponge barrier may work with those filters having a control to > adjust/reduce its flow, without such a provision the fry can still be > sucked up against the sponge material when venturing too close if the > flow is too strong. > > Probably just a slip of the the tongue (finger), but while newly- > hatched brine shrimp are available frozen (no, they won't become > alive when thawed) as a convenient method to feed them to fish fry, > brine shrimp eggs do not come frozen. The serious Angelfish breeder > intent on raising this species should hatch their own baby brine > shrimp for best success as this is agreed to be the most nutitious > food one can offer fish fry -- with micro-worms being considered the > second best fry food. For the occasional breeder of fish, a fai > amount of success will still be had when feeding frozen newly-hatched > brine shrimp to their fry, provided this food is kept in circulation > by mild aeration (via an airstone), which imparts some "action" to > this food as if it might be alive; this food, when settled to the > bottom, is not as eagerly taken. > > Brine shrimp eggs are bought in a container off the shelf, to be > hatched in a solution of salt water. Herein lies the problem when > confronted by the smaller or occasional breeder of fish requiring > this as their first food. The longer brine shrimp eggs remain on the > shelf, the less fecundity can be expected of the hatch as the > hatching rate (percentage) diminishes with time, especially at normal > room temperature (not to mention summertime temperatures). The most > convenient and economical packaging of brine shrimp eggs the > infrequent breeder can buy is a small vial of an ounce or less; > slightly larger amounts of up to a 3.5 ounce can is also offered. > Unfortunately, as this packaging is aimed for the infrequent breeder > of fish (serious breeders buy brine shrimp eggs in larger quanties of > 1 pound cans), these smaller amounts often remain on the shelf for > extended periods of time, often resulting in very poor (or no) > hatch. > > For this reason, it must be decided on how much fish raising one > wants to enter into when condidering how large of a container of > shrimp eggs to purchase, unless its decided just to take a chance on > th smaller quantities hatching rate. Larger quanties will last a > good amount of time provided they're refigerated. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > A sponge filter would be fine (it's probably a good idea to keep > one running > > on your big tank all the time so it's always cycled) but a small > HOB would > > be OK... just put a large sponge block over the intake screen. If > you don't > > have aquarium safe sponge blocks handy, then some filter floss > padding > > covering the intake and a rubber band or nylon zip tie will also > work... > > just something to diffuse the suction intake and to keep the fry > from > > getting sucked in if they get too close. If you don't want to keep > an extra > > filter running on your tank all the time, then just put some extra > filter > > media in the reservoir of one of your filters so you can use that > extra > > filter media in the newly set up filter on the grow-out tank. > > > > Your LFS should have brine shrimp eggs for sale or other fry food. > If they > > don't, then order a package of the frozen brine shrimp eggs so you > can grow > > your own when needed. Read over them articles I gave you for other > fry > > foods. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > what would be the best filter to use or would a normal powerfilter > be okay? > > I would hate to suck up any newborn fry. I also don't have the > proper food > > to feed them either, and I doubt my fish store can supply me with > any, so I > > may as well forget about that though at least for now ;) but thanks > for the > > help :) > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > > > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making > caviar of > > > their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish > in > > > the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had > a > > > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten > by > > > the parents. > > > > > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the > two of > > > them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > > > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed > plants > > > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, > and > > > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the > filter > > > siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs stick > > > around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another > tank > > > with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed > to > > > provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > about > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > answer > > > > last night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure > one of > > > > the fish had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go > for > > > > another batch later or something. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one > > > female > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > each > > > other > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > figured > > > something > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > and > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > kind it > > > > > > is > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes > in > > > > > > and is apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight > cloud > > > > > > coming out > > > as he > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two > > > of them > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > likely is it > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > > > aquarium with > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it > > > > > > might help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > > > > afterall > > > it's a > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they > > > are both > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased > > > in size > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting > > > female > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > more > > > > > > to come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the > leaf > > > > > > with > > > eggs on > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that > > > be a bad > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all > TEXT > > > > that is NOT > > > important to the reply & if > > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35116	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and maybe a little better variety), try http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a better selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum 350 > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various spare > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to the > parts for the 350 as well.... > > Thanks again, > > Jim > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they are > made by > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link to > see if > > it's the same filter. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595> > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom of the > hoses > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > wondering > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of the > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn brown > instead > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, hehe). I > would > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved down > them to > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are careful, > don't > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > forget > > precisely what they are called but they come in different lengths). > If > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's easy > enough > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would make sure > you > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > point in > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the hose > to > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I would > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > tighten > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any outflowing if > the > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are still > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of forgetting to > turn > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all sorts > of > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of course I > had > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, LOL). I > made > > the hugest mess though! > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water (make sure > to > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous owners > didn't > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both sides of > the > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them and > pulling > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open the > valves > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get the lid > off > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do this > make > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large bucket/rubbermaid > > container because there will be a little overflow from what was in > the > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another incident > I > > had, LOL. > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I swear, > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as you're > not > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at me, > LOL). > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free to let > me > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough quirks in > the > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio-wheel but > it's > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself goes. > > > > Amber > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the 5/8" > tubing > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in place of > those > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better off > getting > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement rubber > > > bands... > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in line" > on your > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't start to > suck > > > water out of the tank..... > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35117	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Seems like I keep my tank at the proper temp for breeding, LOL. It's hard to keep my tanks below 80 as I keep my house in the high 70's (shh I'm cold and it's Alaska, with over 3 feet of snow on the ground and still counting, but this temp is usually year round anyways, LOL). So my tanks tend to sit around 80 with a heater in them (the betta tank sits in the mid 70's but it's near a window). I would probably allow my angel's to raise their own young, as I would love to see how they act, I love watching my fish and seeing what they do on a daily basis, some of them are very amusing to watch. I have filed away all this info for later in case I do decide to breed my angel's :) Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, > and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw > this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost > daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more > effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, > although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing > the info at this time. > > While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main > purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is > to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching the > fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it > to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most > protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep > it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as an > egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any > infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other > eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. > Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a > minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing eggs. > > The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary > from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for them, > depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/uses > from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which > is "overkill" and totally unnecessary). Part of this equation too > depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago > as up to 10%. > > There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what I > see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring > their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength > has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found that > about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon > recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 > drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. > > "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing PWC's > if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and > then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude > fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile > eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry > separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no > bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in > the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and will > be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will > have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required > during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, > its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > Hi \\Steve// > > > > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > > First, how much per gallon? > > Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene > blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > > For how long? > > > > Happy New Year To You! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar > of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish > in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by > the parents. > > > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two > of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the > filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs > stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another > tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed > to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > last > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > the fish > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > another batch > > > later or something. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one female > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > each other > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > something > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind > it is > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > and is > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > out as he > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two of them > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > likely is it > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > aquarium with > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it might > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > afterall it's a > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they are both > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased in size > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting female > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > more to > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > with eggs on > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that be a bad > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e.. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35118	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

They are the only 2 angel's in the tank. I didn't think I would actually get lucky and have them pair off, but I swear everything in my tank is pairing off and doing their breeding dances, LOL. I have one VERY fat flame tetra, and a couple of fat platty's/guppies but those were planned I figured if I keep guppies on hand, then my bigger fish can eat the fry (I figure this happens in the wild so the fish should do just fine, and I've already noticed my angels and severum watch certain parts of the tank for any fry, LOL). I only put one pregnant female into the 10 gallon to see if I would have any luck raising some of the fry. So far I've kept 4 of them alive all week, LOL. They're getting a little bigger though. Thanks Len, I will file this email away for later use if I need to do a quick look up of Angel fish info :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Awww.. if you would have searched the messages for 'breeding > angelfish', you > would have found plenty. Harry, Ray, \\Steve// and others have written a > lot about how to save Angelfish eggs and fry and raise them to maturity. > The Mongabay profiles also have info on breeding them. The good news is > that they and you aren't very successful the first time anyhow and they'll > likely breed many more times now that they've paired off. Do you have more > than a pair.. things can sometimes get dicey with any stragglers left > outside the pair. If you want to save them, you'll need to have another > tank set up and ready to move the leaf or breeding slate (that's the best > thing to put in your new tank to give them an easily moved surface to lay > the eggs on. > > Remember that Google is always your friend too! A quick Google of > 'breeding > angelfish' would have found you tons of info as well. Below are the top 3 > hits that came up for me and they all look good. I know > Aquatic-Hobbyist is > a reliable site and the author of the article, AquaticEnterprises (his > forum > name) is also very knowledgeable. If you did a Google search on his name, > you'll find thousands of forum posts with reliable information. > > http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/breeding/angelfishbreeding.html > <http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/breeding/angelfishbreeding.html> > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht > <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht> > ml > > http://angelfish.info/ <http://angelfish.info/> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > breeding > angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer last > night > if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the fish had > a nice > meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another batch later or > something. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one > > female that's been popping out babies. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like each > > > other recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > > > something was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > > > and fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it > > > is > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in and is > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming out as > > > he hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two > > > of them are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > likely is it for these babies to actually survive in a > > > semi-aggressive aquarium with a few "passive" fish as well? I could > > > get a tank divider if it might help somehow, wonder how much it will > > > cost at my LFS, afterall it's a > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they are > > > both very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased > > > in size and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting > > > female (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > > more to come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > with eggs on it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or > > > would that be a bad idea? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35119	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

And that O ring is very important, LOL. If it's not on the filter it will pump water right out the top of the canister when you turn it on instead of going through the tubing. Yes another thing I learned the hard way, didn't notice that the O ring fell out into the bucket when I was rinsing the carbon holder. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and maybe a > little better variety), try > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web> > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a better > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > Amber > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum 350 > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various spare > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to the > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Jim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they are > > made by > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link to > > see if > > > it's the same filter. > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3595>> > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom of the > > hoses > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > wondering > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of the > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn brown > > instead > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, hehe). I > > would > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved down > > them to > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are careful, > > don't > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > forget > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different lengths). > > If > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's easy > > enough > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would make sure > > you > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > point in > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the hose > > to > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I would > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > tighten > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any outflowing if > > the > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are still > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of forgetting to > > turn > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all sorts > > of > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of course I > > had > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, LOL). I > > made > > > the hugest mess though! > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water (make sure > > to > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous owners > > didn't > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both sides of > > the > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them and > > pulling > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open the > > valves > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get the lid > > off > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do this > > make > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large bucket/rubbermaid > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what was in > > the > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another incident > > I > > > had, LOL. > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I swear, > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as you're > > not > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at me, > > LOL). > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free to let > > me > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough quirks in > > the > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio-wheel but > > it's > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself goes. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the 5/8" > > tubing > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in place of > > those > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better off > > getting > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement rubber > > > > bands... > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in line" > > on your > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't start to > > suck > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35120	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Bacteria Question

On a side note I thought I would let people know that the 10 gallon kits that walmart sells now have a little "bio" insert in front of the normal cartridge so that you can just remove the carbon and not hurt your beneficial bacteria residing on the 2nd cartridge (looks like a piece of coral to me but that's hard to imagine since there are so many different varieties, LOL). I know that their old kit just had 1 carbon cartridge (I know because I have one of their old kits too, LOL). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, the microscopic nitrifying bacteria live on all surface areas where > there is a supply of oxygenated water. However, since all of the tank's > water flows through the filter system several times an hour, the > overwhelming majority of the nitrifying bacteria will reside there since > that's where all the food is passing by on a constant basis. If you have a > sponge or polyfloss pad or polyfill or whatever and water is flowing > through > it, then there will be nitrifying bacteria growing on the surface areas of > that filter media. Other biological filtration would only be lagniappe or > redundancy. > > In fact, when someone buys a new filter system that comes with at least a > single cartridge, like on a small Whisper 10, that is plenty enough filter > media to hold all the nitrifying bacteria needed for a properly > stocked 10G > tank. As long as you rinse/swoosh/squeeze the filter cartridge/media in > removed tank water on a weekly basis, to remove the majority of the > detritus, that media will stay cycled and can be reused over and over and > over for years and years. > > If someone does not want to do filter cleaning, then they should have a > filter system that has other means of biological filtration like a > Bio-Wheel, BioMax, etc., so they are not completely trashing their > biological filtration every time they change out their filter > cartridge on a > small filter system like a Whisper 10 or other single cartridge systems. > > While the bio-wheels will harbor some nitrifying bacteria while just > floating around in your tank, they would be home for thousands or millions > of times more nitrifying bacteria if they were spinning in the outflow of > the filters where they would be getting a constant supply of heavily > oxygenated water flowing through/over the bio-wheel. That is the true > purpose of why Marineland had Dr. Tim Hovanec invent the Bio-Wheel... so > they could then, in good conscience, recommend changing out the filter > cartridge on a regular basis without harming the fish. By having the > Bio-Wheel as the primary home for the majority of the nitrifying bacteria, > then trashing the cartridge would not harm the biological filtration very > much.... although there is absolutely NO reason to ever trash one of their > filter cartridges. They last for years and years and can even be modified > to remove the carbon and add more filter media in that part of the > cartridge.... see my blog article, "Filter Profile - Marineland > Penguin 200 > Bio-Wheel" for photos of how I modified mine. > > Yes, running two HOB's and only doing filter maintenance on one filter > at a > time is the best way but it's still better to just do maintenance on the > filter rather than trashing it for a new one. With two HOB's, trashing one > cartridge could mean you are trashing around 50% of your biological > filtration meaning your tank will go into a mini-cycle that would mean > potentially elevated ammonia/nitrite levels for a up to a couple of days > every time you do this. Start testing your water for ammonia and nitrite > after you trash one of your cartridges to see if your tank is going into a > mini-cycle or not. The bioload and overall ecology of the tank will > have an > effect on this potential mini-cycle as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bacteria Question > > While I was trolling the Information Super Highway (rember that one?) for > off brand products, I came across alot of forums where people where > complaining about bacteria. More specifically they where getting rid of > filters because theirs didnt have a "bio-sponge, bio-cartridge, bio- > wheel, > insert bio name here". > Doesn't bacteria live in all areas of the tank/ornaments/plants and is > abundant in the gravel? When I was a kid, I never had bio-*****. Our tanks > where fine. > I am not a profesional by any means, even a pro hobbyist for that > matter but > why would you get rid of a perfectly good filter to have one that has a > spinning wheel. > Yes I do have 2 Marinelands with bio wheels but I bought them both > used from > craigslist. I still cant pass up a deal! I dont run the bio wheels > though. I > just let them float around the tank. > Wouldnt it be better to run 2 regular HOBs on a tank and switch out 1 > cartridge every other time if the filters hold all the bacteria goodness? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

For a single pleco, a single round slice 1/4" thick, raw, works fine. Just wash the waxy stuff off the skin or peel it. I would just wash mine and then slice it. Pleco's can gnaw just about anything... they actually eat driftwood... so there veggies do not need to be blanched. Other fish do like their veggies softer. When I feed a zucchini slice, I would blanche it since the other fish also liked nibbling on the pulp. Also with a zucchini slice, cut through one edge of the rind so it can't form a ring that might get stuck on one of the fish since the fish usually don't eat the rind although I have seen a hungry pleco eat rind and all. And Mystery Snails like zucchini rind also. I've never tried fruits with my goldfish, pleco or tropical's... but I've read that goldfish like to eat orange slices... of course, goldfish would eat anything they can get into their mouths. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35122	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank

You should be safe to use those decorations (if you want to) if you boil them first for 10 minutes. That will clean them and make them safe for the tank, but make sure nothing in plastic as it can melt ;) LOL Amber Darlene wrote: > > the tank i have now is 29 gallons > it is 18" x 30" x 12" > the new tank came with decorations, 2 large shells, a bunch of smaller > shells and the exoskeleton of a star fish > not sure i want to use any of them since i don't know where the person > got them or what they have been exposed to > Darlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank > > Those measurements add up to 19.94 gallons. What do you mean by smaller? > Shorter in height? What are the dimensions of your current tank? > > I would use it to increase the water volume of your current tank.. either > with the bridge or with the U-tubes. Either would increase the water > volume. If you want a separate H-tank or Q-tank, which is certainly > recommended, get either a 10G tank or just a clear sterilite storage box > which you could put away when not needed... or use it to hold all your > non-chemical aquarium stuff. > > Considering the cost of building a bridge out of the poly tubing, I would > save that money towards the much larger tank you will eventually need. Two > 20G tanks will be OK for now but if your fish aren't permanently stunted.. > you do have goldfish, right?... they will outgrow the space and water > volume > provided by the 20G's. If you are going to do the DIY 4" or 5" square > bridge out of a sheet of plexiglass, then that would be low enough cost to > do for now and you could reuse the bridge on two 55G tanks or > something like > that. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Darlene > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] new tank > > ok the new tank just got here, it is smaller, i would presume 18 - 20 > gallons measures 24" x 12" x 16" > i can use it as a hospital tank or build a bridge so they will have more > room to swim around have to wait for it to warm up to room temp then i can > clean it > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35123	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Bacteria Question

By in front of I meant closest to the outtake on the filter, after re-reading my post I thought it may sound confusing. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > On a side note I thought I would let people know that the 10 gallon kits > that walmart sells now have a little "bio" insert in front of the normal > cartridge so that you can just remove the carbon and not hurt your > beneficial bacteria residing on the 2nd cartridge (looks like a piece of > coral to me but that's hard to imagine since there are so many different > varieties, LOL). I know that their old kit just had 1 carbon cartridge > (I know because I have one of their old kits too, LOL). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes, the microscopic nitrifying bacteria live on all surface areas where > > there is a supply of oxygenated water. However, since all of the tank's > > water flows through the filter system several times an hour, the > > overwhelming majority of the nitrifying bacteria will reside there since > > that's where all the food is passing by on a constant basis. If you > have a > > sponge or polyfloss pad or polyfill or whatever and water is flowing > > through > > it, then there will be nitrifying bacteria growing on the surface > areas of > > that filter media. Other biological filtration would only be > lagniappe or > > redundancy. > > > > In fact, when someone buys a new filter system that comes with at > least a > > single cartridge, like on a small Whisper 10, that is plenty enough > filter > > media to hold all the nitrifying bacteria needed for a properly > > stocked 10G > > tank. As long as you rinse/swoosh/squeeze the filter cartridge/media in > > removed tank water on a weekly basis, to remove the majority of the > > detritus, that media will stay cycled and can be reused over and > over and > > over for years and years. > > > > If someone does not want to do filter cleaning, then they should have a > > filter system that has other means of biological filtration like a > > Bio-Wheel, BioMax, etc., so they are not completely trashing their > > biological filtration every time they change out their filter > > cartridge on a > > small filter system like a Whisper 10 or other single cartridge systems. > > > > While the bio-wheels will harbor some nitrifying bacteria while just > > floating around in your tank, they would be home for thousands or > millions > > of times more nitrifying bacteria if they were spinning in the > outflow of > > the filters where they would be getting a constant supply of heavily > > oxygenated water flowing through/over the bio-wheel. That is the true > > purpose of why Marineland had Dr. Tim Hovanec invent the Bio-Wheel... so > > they could then, in good conscience, recommend changing out the filter > > cartridge on a regular basis without harming the fish. By having the > > Bio-Wheel as the primary home for the majority of the nitrifying > bacteria, > > then trashing the cartridge would not harm the biological filtration > very > > much.... although there is absolutely NO reason to ever trash one of > their > > filter cartridges. They last for years and years and can even be > modified > > to remove the carbon and add more filter media in that part of the > > cartridge.... see my blog article, "Filter Profile - Marineland > > Penguin 200 > > Bio-Wheel" for photos of how I modified mine. > > > > Yes, running two HOB's and only doing filter maintenance on one filter > > at a > > time is the best way but it's still better to just do maintenance on the > > filter rather than trashing it for a new one. With two HOB's, > trashing one > > cartridge could mean you are trashing around 50% of your biological > > filtration meaning your tank will go into a mini-cycle that would mean > > potentially elevated ammonia/nitrite levels for a up to a couple of days > > every time you do this. Start testing your water for ammonia and nitrite > > after you trash one of your cartridges to see if your tank is going > into a > > mini-cycle or not. The bioload and overall ecology of the tank will > > have an > > effect on this potential mini-cycle as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:43 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bacteria Question > > > > While I was trolling the Information Super Highway (rember that > one?) for > > off brand products, I came across alot of forums where people where > > complaining about bacteria. More specifically they where getting rid of > > filters because theirs didnt have a "bio-sponge, bio-cartridge, bio- > > wheel, > > insert bio name here". > > Doesn't bacteria live in all areas of the tank/ornaments/plants and is > > abundant in the gravel? When I was a kid, I never had bio-*****. Our > tanks > > where fine. > > I am not a profesional by any means, even a pro hobbyist for that > > matter but > > why would you get rid of a perfectly good filter to have one that has a > > spinning wheel. > > Yes I do have 2 Marinelands with bio wheels but I bought them both > > used from > > craigslist. I still cant pass up a deal! I dont run the bio wheels > > though. I > > just let them float around the tank. > > Wouldnt it be better to run 2 regular HOBs on a tank and switch out 1 > > cartridge every other time if the filters hold all the bacteria > goodness? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35124	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] LFA Aquarius was new tank

when i was at the LFS Aquarius, they have a tank there in the wall that is easily 12 - 14 feet long !!! you should have seen the fish in there ... HUGE!! i took pictures on my cell phone now i just have to figure out how to transfer them to my computer :)) i have the cable, just need to sit down and read the book :)) Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank Yeah.. and the LxWxH is kind of confusing anyhow.. since the width of something would be how wide is it when looking at it but we call that the length of the tank. The correct term for front to back measurement would be depth but then that would be confused with height which is also the depth of the water in the tank. LOL Good to know the tank stands compensated perfectly for the height difference. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank i actually lucked out on that part, the larger tank is on a lower stand and the smaller tank is on a higher stand so they are the same height at the top :))) will have to remember L/W/H i usually post the dimensions so that people can visualize it but I'm not feeling too great today since i am fighting off a cold and forgot to post the dimensions ....... the new tank is sitting there waiting to be cleaned and i keep saying 'will get to it in a minute' been saying that for 4 hours now LOL Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank OK.. it's best to conform to LxWxH when posting measurements. I'm guessing your 29G is 30x12x18" high and the new tank is 24x12x16" high? If so, then you will need to raise the new tank by 6" so the tops are close to the same level. Maybe a few bricks with a piece of plywood on top or 2x4's or whatever it takes to make a riser stand so they are close to the same height for the bridge or U-tubes. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank the tank i have now is 29 gallons it is 18" x 30" x 12" the new tank came with decorations, 2 large shells, a bunch of smaller shells and the exoskeleton of a star fish not sure i want to use any of them since i don't know where the person got them or what they have been exposed to Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank Those measurements add up to 19.94 gallons. What do you mean by smaller? Shorter in height? What are the dimensions of your current tank? I would use it to increase the water volume of your current tank.. either with the bridge or with the U-tubes. Either would increase the water volume. If you want a separate H-tank or Q-tank, which is certainly recommended, get either a 10G tank or just a clear sterilite storage box which you could put away when not needed... or use it to hold all your non-chemical aquarium stuff. Considering the cost of building a bridge out of the poly tubing, I would save that money towards the much larger tank you will eventually need. Two 20G tanks will be OK for now but if your fish aren't permanently stunted.. you do have goldfish, right?... they will outgrow the space and water volume provided by the 20G's. If you are going to do the DIY 4" or 5" square bridge out of a sheet of plexiglass, then that would be low enough cost to do for now and you could reuse the bridge on two 55G tanks or something like that. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] new tank ok the new tank just got here, it is smaller, i would presume 18 - 20 gallons measures 24" x 12" x 16" i can use it as a hospital tank or build a bridge so they will have more room to swim around have to wait for it to warm up to room temp then i can clean it Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35125	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: LFA Aquarius was new tank

If your cell phone has a removable memory card, you need a card reader. Most new computers come with those built in or you can buy a plug-n-play type at Office Depot or probably even WalMart. If the phone doesn't have a memory card, you'll have to email the pictures to yourself and get them onto the computer that way. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> when i was at the LFS Aquarius, they have a tank there in the wall that is easily 12 - 14 feet long !!! you should have seen the fish in there ... HUGE!! i took pictures on my cell phone now i just have to figure out how to transfer them to my computer :)) i have the cable, just need to sit down and read the book :)) Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35126	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank

Shells and other marine items made of calcium will raise your pH which is a good thing if it is too low. Otherwise, maybe not a good idea. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank You should be safe to use those decorations (if you want to) if you boil them first for 10 minutes. That will clean them and make them safe for the tank, but make sure nothing in plastic as it can melt ;) LOL Amber Darlene wrote: > > the tank i have now is 29 gallons > it is 18" x 30" x 12" > the new tank came with decorations, 2 large shells, a bunch of smaller > shells and the exoskeleton of a star fish > not sure i want to use any of them since i don't know where the person > got them or what they have been exposed to > Darlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank > > Those measurements add up to 19.94 gallons. What do you mean by smaller? > Shorter in height? What are the dimensions of your current tank? > > I would use it to increase the water volume of your current tank.. either > with the bridge or with the U-tubes. Either would increase the water > volume. If you want a separate H-tank or Q-tank, which is certainly > recommended, get either a 10G tank or just a clear sterilite storage box > which you could put away when not needed... or use it to hold all your > non-chemical aquarium stuff. > > Considering the cost of building a bridge out of the poly tubing, I would > save that money towards the much larger tank you will eventually need. Two > 20G tanks will be OK for now but if your fish aren't permanently stunted.. > you do have goldfish, right?... they will outgrow the space and water > volume > provided by the 20G's. If you are going to do the DIY 4" or 5" square > bridge out of a sheet of plexiglass, then that would be low enough cost to > do for now and you could reuse the bridge on two 55G tanks or > something like > that. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Darlene > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] new tank > > ok the new tank just got here, it is smaller, i would presume 18 - 20 > gallons measures 24" x 12" x 16" > i can use it as a hospital tank or build a bridge so they will have more > room to swim around have to wait for it to warm up to room temp then i can > clean it > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35127	From: D W	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

Raw Wendie? I just purchased  several plecos lately. 3 Gold Nuggets 1 Para 2 Imperial Tigers 2 Clowns 1 Butterfly Doug Willis Missouri ________________________________ From: Wendie <wendieo@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:46:37 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco I just clean mine off, split it down the middle length wise and put it in the tank with the rind still on it. Some plecos will eat only the flesh while others will eat the rind only. I also use green squash the exact same way. They love it and will spend the entire day and night eating it. Just don't leave it in more than a few hours as it will mess up the tank when it falls apart. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwydryn@aol. com To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR! ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35128	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: My Oranda laid eggs

sometime this morning. i have well over 100 eggs all over the glass, air hose tubing and intake for the filter ... now Lenny don't start telling me about how small my tank is for this i know, i was not planning on breeding them and the eggs will probably become fish food after i get my 100+ gallon tank ........ then i will MAYBE see about breeding them :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35129	From: Jennie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I put a 1 1/4" OD, 1" ID clear plastic tube to connect my tanks and my betta went threw it more than once and ate my baby platies. So you could use a 1 7/8" OD, 1 1/2" ID for a bridge. I bought some to give it a try, That's the biggest flexible tube I could find.  I'll let you know what happens! I disconnected my Betta 10 gal tank from my others, 45 gal, and 2 more10's. The betta went nuts just killing what he couldn't eat because it was to big. Talk about the wolf in with the sheep!!!  Jennie    __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35130	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank

Great i will use the star fish because i would like to add something to the tank decoration wise it is bare at the moment !! Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [AquaticLife] new tank You should be safe to use those decorations (if you want to) if you boil them first for 10 minutes. That will clean them and make them safe for the tank, but make sure nothing in plastic as it can melt ;) LOL Amber Darlene wrote: > > the tank i have now is 29 gallons > it is 18" x 30" x 12" > the new tank came with decorations, 2 large shells, a bunch of smaller > shells and the exoskeleton of a star fish > not sure i want to use any of them since i don't know where the person > got them or what they have been exposed to > Darlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new tank > > Those measurements add up to 19.94 gallons. What do you mean by smaller? > Shorter in height? What are the dimensions of your current tank? > > I would use it to increase the water volume of your current tank.. either > with the bridge or with the U-tubes. Either would increase the water > volume. If you want a separate H-tank or Q-tank, which is certainly > recommended, get either a 10G tank or just a clear sterilite storage box > which you could put away when not needed... or use it to hold all your > non-chemical aquarium stuff. > > Considering the cost of building a bridge out of the poly tubing, I would > save that money towards the much larger tank you will eventually need. Two > 20G tanks will be OK for now but if your fish aren't permanently stunted.. > you do have goldfish, right?... they will outgrow the space and water > volume > provided by the 20G's. If you are going to do the DIY 4" or 5" square > bridge out of a sheet of plexiglass, then that would be low enough cost to > do for now and you could reuse the bridge on two 55G tanks or > something like > that. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Darlene > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] new tank > > ok the new tank just got here, it is smaller, i would presume 18 - 20 > gallons measures 24" x 12" x 16" > i can use it as a hospital tank or build a bridge so they will have more > room to swim around have to wait for it to warm up to room temp then i can > clean it > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35131	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I'll using something as close to 3.25" OD as possible. That's the width of the opening to the aquarium hoods. Even at that, I'm not sure how long Lucille will want to travel through it, but it will increase the water flow until I can afford the big tank. First, though, I have to replace the legs on the buffet with a base stand made from 2x8's. The buffet itself is very sturdy, but I don't trust those peg legs to balance almost 400 pounds of aquarium, water and accessories. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie" <jjmiltner@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I put a 1 1/4" OD, 1" ID clear plastic tube to connect my tanks and my betta went threw it more than once and ate my baby platies. So you could use a 1 7/8" OD, 1 1/2" ID for a bridge. I bought some to give it a try, That's the biggest flexible tube I could find. I'll let you know what happens! I disconnected my Betta 10 gal tank from my others, 45 gal, and 2 more10's. The betta went nuts just killing what he couldn't eat because it was to big. Talk about the wolf in with the sheep!!! Jennie __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35132	From: danf2346	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: fish food question

Happy new year everyone:) I have the hakari freeze dried brine shrimp, tubifex worms, blood worms, and daphnia. Was just looking at the best before dates, 3 of the 4 are marked best before march of this year, and the other is good till next year yet. I also use several different flakes also, some containing bits of freezed dried shrimp. I was wondering how important it is use before dates, or how long I can continue using them past dates? Most of the flakes I have dont have dates, is there a way of telling if they are good or not? I figure with the freeze dried, if I cant use past dates I could share excess with friends before they go bad since I would otherwise always have plently left over. Thanks:)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35133	From: Darlene	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs

forgot to ask how long before the eggs hatch into fry and in the event any survive, how long before they are big enough not to become fish food :) Darlene sometime this morning. i have well over 100 eggs all over the glass, air hose tubing and intake for the filter ... now Lenny don't start telling me about how small my tank is for this i know, i was not planning on breeding them and the eggs will probably become fish food after i get my 100+ gallon tank ........ then i will MAYBE see about breeding them :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35134	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

You don't need 2x8's. 2x4's will be fine. I built my stand for my 65G out of 2x4's and it's sturdy enough to hold much more tank. See my blog for details on "My DIY $20.00 Tank Stand". Or were you just planning on removing the peg legs to set the rest of the stand on blocks of wood? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I'll using something as close to 3.25" OD as possible. That's the width of the opening to the aquarium hoods. Even at that, I'm not sure how long Lucille will want to travel through it, but it will increase the water flow until I can afford the big tank. First, though, I have to replace the legs on the buffet with a base stand made from 2x8's. The buffet itself is very sturdy, but I don't trust those peg legs to balance almost 400 pounds of aquarium, water and accessories. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie" <jjmiltner@... <mailto:jjmiltner%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I put a 1 1/4" OD, 1" ID clear plastic tube to connect my tanks and my betta went threw it more than once and ate my baby platies. So you could use a 1 7/8" OD, 1 1/2" ID for a bridge. I bought some to give it a try, That's the biggest flexible tube I could find. I'll let you know what happens! I disconnected my Betta 10 gal tank from my others, 45 gal, and 2 more10's. The betta went nuts just killing what he couldn't eat because it was to big. Talk about the wolf in with the sheep!!! Jennie __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35135	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: My Oranda laid eggs

They may not have been fertilized. I wonder if this is why one of them were getting fatter... from filling up with eggs? Did she slim down now? Females will/can still scatter eggs without a male figuring out they are supposed to follow along and fertilize them.. or maybe the males aren't even mature enough. Do you have at least one male with breeding tubercles (bumps) on their gill covers and leading ray of pectoral fins? Read up on several Goldfish Breeding sites for more info. I've never found a good well written comprehensive site on breeding goldfish in aquariums. Many are written for ponds which are the best place for breeding them. Disregard the smaller tank sizes in some of these articles as they were written when so many people were still promoting 10G per goldfish as sufficient water volume. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/ponds/Wilkinson_3Goldfish.html (this is part 3 of a 4 part article that is probably one of the best articles on goldfish care that I've found on the net or in any book... and she agrees with me on minimum water volume of 30G per fancy goldfish too!) http://thegab.org/Articles/SexingGoldfish.html http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/breeding.html If your Google searching finds anything more comprehensive, let me know. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs sometime this morning. i have well over 100 eggs all over the glass, air hose tubing and intake for the filter ... now Lenny don't start telling me about how small my tank is for this i know, i was not planning on breeding them and the eggs will probably become fish food after i get my 100+ gallon tank ........ then i will MAYBE see about breeding them :) Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35136	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

Yes, I never do anything other than make sure the skin is cleaned off and then cut them in half. I do select them very carefully at the store - making sure they are not marked up. Anchor them and check the next day. There's really nothing left. I use about a 4 inch strip and it's common to see 5 or 6 plecos on it at a time. Even my clown loaches would eat them along with the BN, nugget, and the mystery pleco. I have a colony of L128's but they don't seem to be interested in them. Nor did the clowns. The BN seem to have a radar system that alerts them to the veggie. Squash is preferred over the cukes. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: D W To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco Raw Wendie? I just purchased several plecos lately. 3 Gold Nuggets 1 Para 2 Imperial Tigers 2 Clowns 1 Butterfly Doug Willis Missouri ________________________________ From: Wendie <wendieo@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:46:37 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco I just clean mine off, split it down the middle length wise and put it in the tank with the rind still on it. Some plecos will eat only the flesh while others will eat the rind only. I also use green squash the exact same way. They love it and will spend the entire day and night eating it. Just don't leave it in more than a few hours as it will mess up the tank when it falls apart. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwydryn@aol. com To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR! ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35137	From: Wendie	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

I haven't tried it on the L002's in another tank yet. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: D W To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco Raw Wendie? I just purchased several plecos lately. 3 Gold Nuggets 1 Para 2 Imperial Tigers 2 Clowns 1 Butterfly Doug Willis Missouri ________________________________ From: Wendie <wendieo@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:46:37 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco I just clean mine off, split it down the middle length wise and put it in the tank with the rind still on it. Some plecos will eat only the flesh while others will eat the rind only. I also use green squash the exact same way. They love it and will spend the entire day and night eating it. Just don't leave it in more than a few hours as it will mess up the tank when it falls apart. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwydryn@aol. com To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cukes for pleco This goes out to you, Lenny. After reading one of the link on foods for plecostomus I have decided to add cucumbers to his fresh veggie diet. One question thou...what preparation should take place? (raw/cooked, peeled or not, cut it lenghtwise or slices). So far I have always offered parboiled or zapped veggies, never raw. Only raw I ever offered was a slice of apple, which he totally snubbed but it was a great snail trap. So, what will it be? Cucumber awaits his fate for tonight. Enid Oh yes! and HAPPY NEW YEAR! ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35138	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I was just going to remove the legs and make a rectangular frame on which to place the body of the buffet. The 8" width is just to put the buffet at the right height. Depending on the price, I might use a double row of 2x4's instead, but then I'd have to cut verticals to anchor them and the 8" would match the buffet better. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> You don't need 2x8's. 2x4's will be fine. I built my stand for my 65G out of 2x4's and it's sturdy enough to hold much more tank. See my blog for details on "My DIY $20.00 Tank Stand". Or were you just planning on removing the peg legs to set the rest of the stand on blocks of wood? -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On I'll using something as close to 3.25" OD as possible. That's the width of the opening to the aquarium hoods. Even at that, I'm not sure how long Lucille will want to travel through it, but it will increase the water flow until I can afford the big tank. First, though, I have to replace the legs on the buffet with a base stand made from 2x8's. The buffet itself is very sturdy, but I don't trust those peg legs to balance almost 400 pounds of aquarium, water and accessories.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

OOh OK. I see what you are planning now. The 2x4's would probably be less expensive even with the four uprights you'll need. 2x4's are a much more commonly available piece of wood in the lumber stores so they're really cheap. Remember that they're not really 4" wide though. A 2x4 is actually 1 3/4" x 3 1/2". I forget the actual dimensions of a 2x8 but I'm betting they're 1 3/4" x 7" so hopefully you only need a 7" high base. If you need an 8" base, then the 2x4's screwed into the 8" tall four corners with a 1" gap between them would work or better yet, 3/4" plywood cut into 8" high strips and then screwed into the four 8" tall corner 2x4's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I was just going to remove the legs and make a rectangular frame on which to place the body of the buffet. The 8" width is just to put the buffet at the right height. Depending on the price, I might use a double row of 2x4's instead, but then I'd have to cut verticals to anchor them and the 8" would match the buffet better. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > You don't need 2x8's. 2x4's will be fine. I built my stand for my 65G out of 2x4's and it's sturdy enough to hold much more tank. See my blog for details on "My DIY $20.00 Tank Stand". Or were you just planning on removing the peg legs to set the rest of the stand on blocks of wood? -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On I'll using something as close to 3.25" OD as possible. That's the width of the opening to the aquarium hoods. Even at that, I'm not sure how long Lucille will want to travel through it, but it will increase the water flow until I can afford the big tank. First, though, I have to replace the legs on the buffet with a base stand made from 2x8's. The buffet itself is very sturdy, but I don't trust those peg legs to balance almost 400 pounds of aquarium, water and accessories.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35140	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I would love to separate the tanks by a few feet, but I doubt it will be more than about a foot at the most. I think I've settled on this for the passageway: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 (OR http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube ) I'll probably use regular pvc elbows to save $$. I'll most likely use aquarium sealant liberally before and after joining them together. Somehow a big aquarium sitting there with just plants in it doesn't seem appealing to me. I'd rather have it look a mess and enjoy watching the fishies have fun. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Were you planning on having the tanks far apart or right next to each other? If right next to each other and you just wanted to take advantage of the added water volume without creating the actual bridge that the fish could swim through, then you could use a couple of U-tubes (at least two for redundancy) http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web with filter intake screens or a large pore intake sponge cover on them which would provide the water flow between the two tanks with the filter intake on one tank and the return in the other tank. You could also make these out of simple 3/4" to 1" PVC pipe and fittings but the above U-tubes will probably fit over two thinner framed tanks. Then you could turn the one tank into a nicely planted tank and have the goldfish in the other tank so the water and fish will still benefit from the plants without the goldfish constantly remodeling the plants for you. This following article about a DIY overflow box will give you ideas on bending plexiglass if you still want to make the bridge like the one on eBay but having it go deeper into your tanks. You could start off with a 1/4" sheet of plexiglass. Cut a 4" wide strip a couple of feet long and heating up the areas where you want to bend the strip until you have the shape you want with the two down sections going into each tank and the length you want between the tanks. Then measure the top piece so it's 4" above the bottom and where the bends should be and then you cut two side pieces in the inverted U shape, use acrylic epoxy (the same kind used on acrylic aquariums) to glue the two inverted U sides to the top and bottom shaped pieces, cut/sand off any rough edges.. especially the ends that go in the tank and viola... your own DIY bridge with a single sheet of plexiglass. Turn it upside down, fill it with water to test your seams, wiggle or bump it a little to test it's resiliency and if it doesn't leak, then you are good to go. If it leaks, at least with the 4" square openings, you should be able to work on any leaks in the seams from the inside and also from the outside of your bridge. This page on the USPlastics site has clear 90o PVC elbows or 45o bends.. but none of these pipe options are very cost friendly... to go with the pipes if you wanted to go with the pipe and have it all clear. Clear acrylic epoxy would probably work as a glue but check this out more or ask USPlastic's for a clear alternative glue. The only PVC glue that I use is purple. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ ory%5Fname=54&Page=1 I'd go with the least expensive option you can... saving any money for the larger tank that would be the best option for all involved. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Yeah, I was thinking it might need some kind of bracing, but really, once it's installed, there wouldn't be that much pressure on it. But then again, I hadn't thought about what would happen if the seal breaks and I have the filter drawing from one tank and returning to the other. Yikes! That would be a real mess. I was doing some more searches on polycarbonate tubing and I think they may have some give to them, so I'll probably go with the acrylic tubing. There's not that much difference in price at usplastic.com . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Man.. I'd be worried about that seam breaking.. or even being able to get a good seam on a 1/8" or 1/16" thick piece of acrylic/polycarbonate tubing. If it was 1/4" thick or something like that, I'd feel a little better about getting a good seat but it would be iffy with such thin material. At least the seams would be over the tanks though and wouldn't be pressure points! ;-) As long as the tanks are able to handle the extra water volume if either of the seams leak, which would cause the tube to lose it's vacuum, then it would work.. unless you had the filter system set up to pump water through the tube and then it would empty one of the tanks onto the floor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Something I was considering a while back was using acrylic tubing to make a water bridge. My thought was if I bought a piece long enough I could have TAP Plastics make a 45 degree cut, turn the cut off piece 180 degrees and seal the pieces together. This should make a 90 degree turn. Do this on each end and it would all be acrylic, no white or black plastic end pieces to obstruct the view. But since that kind of tubing is out of my price range I had to pass on the idea. If the tubing you are looking at is rigid you may be able to do this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I picked up another 20G tank and all accessories on Craigslist for $35. It'll be a while before I'm ready to set it up, but I'm pricing materials to build a water bridge. I decided the one on eBay would probably be a real hassle to alter to my specs. I want the vertical tubes to extend at least below the 25% PWC line. I found a place that sells polycarbonate tubing and I was wondering if this is a reasonable price or if anyone knows where I could find it cheaper. Also, do you think the 1/16" wall width will be ok for a 3" diameter tube or does it need to be 1/8"? The horizontal ru n will be no more than a foot long. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> ry%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > ory%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993> OR http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > They also have acrylic and clear pvc tubing. The acrylic is a bit more. The clear pvc is a lot more. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35141	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

You know there is still the issue that they only sell that tubing in 8' lengths so you're looking at $64.00+ for the cost. You can get a 55G for less than that... unless you've talked to them and they'll sell you scrap pieces for less money. Then you would only need three scrap pieces, one for the tunnel and two down pieces and the PVC elbows. I know the bridge is kind of cool thing and I'll probably consider one to add another 65G tank to match my current tank to have an 8' long BIG tank, but from what I remember, you are on a budget (aren't we all) so I want to make sure you are getting the most bang for your buck. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I would love to separate the tanks by a few feet, but I doubt it will be more than about a foot at the most. I think I've settled on this for the passageway: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego ry%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ ory%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905> (OR http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> ) I'll probably use regular pvc elbows to save $$. I'll most likely use aquarium sealant liberally before and after joining them together. Somehow a big aquarium sitting there with just plants in it doesn't seem appealing to me. I'd rather have it look a mess and enjoy watching the fishies have fun. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Were you planning on having the tanks far apart or right next to each other? If right next to each other and you just wanted to take advantage of the added water volume without creating the actual bridge that the fish could swim through, then you could use a couple of U-tubes (at least two for redundancy) http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> with filter intake screens or a large pore intake sponge cover on them which would provide the water flow between the two tanks with the filter intake on one tank and the return in the other tank. You could also make these out of simple 3/4" to 1" PVC pipe and fittings but the above U-tubes will probably fit over two thinner framed tanks. Then you could turn the one tank into a nicely planted tank and have the goldfish in the other tank so the water and fish will still benefit from the plants without the goldfish constantly remodeling the plants for you. This following article about a DIY overflow box will give you ideas on bending plexiglass if you still want to make the bridge like the one on eBay but having it go deeper into your tanks. You could start off with a 1/4" sheet of plexiglass. Cut a 4" wide strip a couple of feet long and heating up the areas where you want to bend the strip until you have the shape you want with the two down sections going into each tank and the length you want between the tanks. Then measure the top piece so it's 4" above the bottom and where the bends should be and then you cut two side pieces in the inverted U shape, use acrylic epoxy (the same kind used on acrylic aquariums) to glue the two inverted U sides to the top and bottom shaped pieces, cut/sand off any rough edges.. especially the ends that go in the tank and viola... your own DIY bridge with a single sheet of plexiglass. Turn it upside down, fill it with water to test your seams, wiggle or bump it a little to test it's resiliency and if it doesn't leak, then you are good to go. If it leaks, at least with the 4" square openings, you should be able to work on any leaks in the seams from the inside and also from the outside of your bridge. This page on the USPlastics site has clear 90o PVC elbows or 45o bends.. but none of these pipe options are very cost friendly... to go with the pipes if you wanted to go with the pipe and have it all clear. Clear acrylic epoxy would probably work as a glue but check this out more or ask USPlastic's for a clear alternative glue. The only PVC glue that I use is purple. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate g> ory%5Fname=54&Page=1 I'd go with the least expensive option you can... saving any money for the larger tank that would be the best option for all involved. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Yeah, I was thinking it might need some kind of bracing, but really, once it's installed, there wouldn't be that much pressure on it. But then again, I hadn't thought about what would happen if the seal breaks and I have the filter drawing from one tank and returning to the other. Yikes! That would be a real mess. I was doing some more searches on polycarbonate tubing and I think they may have some give to them, so I'll probably go with the acrylic tubing. There's not that much difference in price at usplastic.com . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Man.. I'd be worried about that seam breaking.. or even being able to get a good seam on a 1/8" or 1/16" thick piece of acrylic/polycarbonate tubing. If it was 1/4" thick or something like that, I'd feel a little better about getting a good seat but it would be iffy with such thin material. At least the seams would be over the tanks though and wouldn't be pressure points! ;-) As long as the tanks are able to handle the extra water volume if either of the seams leak, which would cause the tube to lose it's vacuum, then it would work.. unless you had the filter system set up to pump water through the tube and then it would empty one of the tanks onto the floor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Something I was considering a while back was using acrylic tubing to make a water bridge. My thought was if I bought a piece long enough I could have TAP Plastics make a 45 degree cut, turn the cut off piece 180 degrees and seal the pieces together. This should make a 90 degree turn. Do this on each end and it would all be acrylic, no white or black plastic end pieces to obstruct the view. But since that kind of tubing is out of my price range I had to pass on the idea. If the tubing you are looking at is rigid you may be able to do this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I picked up another 20G tank and all accessories on Craigslist for $35. It'll be a while before I'm ready to set it up, but I'm pricing materials to build a water bridge. I decided the one on eBay would probably be a real hassle to alter to my specs. I want the vertical tubes to extend at least below the 25% PWC line. I found a place that sells polycarbonate tubing and I was wondering if this is a reasonable price or if anyone knows where I could find it cheaper. Also, do you think the 1/16" wall width will be ok for a 3" diameter tube or does it need to be 1/8"? The horizontal ru n will be no more than a foot long. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > o> ry%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > > ory%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993> OR http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > > They also have acrylic and clear pvc tubing. The acrylic is a bit more. The clear pvc is a lot more. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35142	From: Leanna	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: powder blue dwarf grami

hi its anna again, i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my 10gallon i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass cat be ok?? thanks much Anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35143	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

Not knowing what kind of tetras and cory you have, I'd say that you are getting close to the stocking limit of your tank, so no on both additions. Also, glass catfish need to be kept in groups, and that would be enough to keep you from getting them. They can also be finicky eaters and are relatively hard to keep healthy, another mark against them. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] powder blue dwarf grami > > hi its anna again, > > i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my 10gallon > i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass cat be ok?? > thanks much > > Anna > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35144	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro treatment ended yesterday) Tuesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Wednesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Thursday (Today): - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just under 20ppm I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at night. The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that I've seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if it's present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing it through PWCs and carbon filtering. I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has chloramines. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the gill covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else on the fish need to be diagnosed. The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of another sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the consistency of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee and more reading here http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml and here http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf and this long case history with lots of pics.. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from others mistakes... and what not to do.) Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, flashing/scratching on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it being Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a natural reaction. Now... for your test results... Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most test kits that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime will handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully established, any dechlor will be OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks more like glitter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a fungus problem?) > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > :-D > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > Nitrate: 0ppm > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > would the test read zero? > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > pick it up and do the PWC. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus > problem?) > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > readings. > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: >> >> > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): >> >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > Nitrite: >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > almost 0ppm; >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. >> >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > probably >> change the subject line. >> >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > at 5pm, >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > should I >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? >> >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > aquarium and >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > results. Will >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > said before >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > of fish >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > trust >> their advice. >> >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > don't >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. >> >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > in spots, >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > seems to be >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > do notice >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > that >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > tank, where >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > entertained >> enough and give CB places to hide. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> --------------------Insertion for continuity--------------- >> >> Deb, As \\Steve// suggests (points out), usually as a normal >> progression of Hemorrhagic Septicemia in fish, it will be noted as >> starting at the base of the fins -- not as starting at the exterior >> finges of the fins. While I couldn't get a very clear picture, it >> doesn't seem as if this condition exists in your fish. Of course, >> keep us advised of any changes. Its quite normal for many Goldfish to >> change color and color patterns as they grow, and as your's are >> resuming growth, this may well be what is taking place. This >> generally occurs when they are slightly older -- and by this, its >> conceded that along with the slight additional age at which this >> occurs, the fish would naturally be larger. As your fish may have >> been held back in growth, and may not be indicative of this >> phenomenon, their age may be sufficient for them to start undergoing >> these changes, but keep us posted. Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Menagerie_Manager" >> <menagerie_manager@> wrote: >> > >> > I tried to get pictures and they're just too fuzzy. I did > get >> a short >> > video, though, that might be clear enough: >> > http://www.facebook.com/p.php? <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?> > i=1124712084&k=Z6MZP3SZU4YCUCGHTGZ2WSU >> > OR >> > http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail> >> > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35145	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

I've been wondering why you have been waiting for the water people to reply. The company or town department that supplies the water should have a web site, and on that web site should be the latest report available for public consumption that will tell you whether chloramines are used and a lot of other stuff, possibly some that you really don't want to read <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro treatment > ended yesterday) > > Tuesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Wednesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Thursday (Today): > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > under 20ppm > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > night. > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that I've > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if it's > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the gill > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of another > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the consistency > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee > and more reading here > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > and here > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, flashing/scratching > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it being > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a > natural reaction. > > Now... for your test results... > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most test kits > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime will > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > 10ppm > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks > more like glitter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus problem?) > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > :-D > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > would the test read zero? > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus > > problem?) > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > readings. > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > >> > >> > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > >> > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > Nitrite: > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost 0ppm; > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > >> > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > probably > >> change the subject line. > >> > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > at 5pm, > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > should I > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > >> > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > aquarium and > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > results. Will > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > said before > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > of fish > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > trust > >> their advice. > >> > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > don't > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > >> > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > in spots, > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > seems to be > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > do notice > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > that > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > tank, where > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > entertained > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> --------------------Insertion for continuity--------------- > >> > >> Deb, As \\Steve// suggests (points out), usually as a normal > >> progression of Hemorrhagic Septicemia in fish, it will be noted as > >> starting at the base of the fins -- not as starting at the exterior > >> finges of the fins. While I couldn't get a very clear picture, it > >> doesn't seem as if this condition exists in your fish. Of course, > >> keep us advised of any changes. Its quite normal for many Goldfish to > >> change color and color patterns as they grow, and as your's are > >> resuming growth, this may well be what is taking place. This > >> generally occurs when they are slightly older -- and by this, its > >> conceded that along with the slight additional age at which this > >> occurs, the fish would naturally be larger. As your fish may have > >> been held back in growth, and may not be indicative of this > >> phenomenon, their age may be sufficient for them to start undergoing > >> these changes, but keep us posted. Ray > >> > >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Menagerie_Manager" > >> <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > >> > > >> > I tried to get pictures and they're just too fuzzy. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35146	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I can get 6' of the #42141 tenite for $21.42 plus about $8 shipping and handling. I can make two bridges and sell one. I can also get caps for the ends of the tubes for a nominal price. Then I can fill the tube, cap the ends, put it in place, and remove the caps. It did occur to me that with what I spend on the bridge and this 2nd 20G, I could probably have waited a bit and found myself a 50G. but the 20G came with all the accessories, so it works out. I would have needed to buy a more powerful filter or a second one for a larger tank. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question You know there is still the issue that they only sell that tubing in 8' lengths so you're looking at $64.00+ for the cost. You can get a 55G for less than that... unless you've talked to them and they'll sell you scrap pieces for less money. Then you would only need three scrap pieces, one for the tunnel and two down pieces and the PVC elbows. I know the bridge is kind of cool thing and I'll probably consider one to add another 65G tank to match my current tank to have an 8' long BIG tank, but from what I remember, you are on a budget (aren't we all) so I want to make sure you are getting the most bang for your buck. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I would love to separate the tanks by a few feet, but I doubt it will be more than about a foot at the most. I think I've settled on this for the passageway: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego ry%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ ory%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905> (OR http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> ) I'll probably use regular pvc elbows to save $$. I'll most likely use aquarium sealant liberally before and after joining them together. Somehow a big aquarium sitting there with just plants in it doesn't seem appealing to me. I'd rather have it look a mess and enjoy watching the fishies have fun. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Were you planning on having the tanks far apart or right next to each other? If right next to each other and you just wanted to take advantage of the added water volume without creating the actual bridge that the fish could swim through, then you could use a couple of U-tubes (at least two for redundancy) http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> with filter intake screens or a large pore intake sponge cover on them which would provide the water flow between the two tanks with the filter intake on one tank and the return in the other tank. You could also make these out of simple 3/4" to 1" PVC pipe and fittings but the above U-tubes will probably fit over two thinner framed tanks. Then you could turn the one tank into a nicely planted tank and have the goldfish in the other tank so the water and fish will still benefit from the plants without the goldfish constantly remodeling the plants for you. This following article about a DIY overflow box will give you ideas on bending plexiglass if you still want to make the bridge like the one on eBay but having it go deeper into your tanks. You could start off with a 1/4" sheet of plexiglass. Cut a 4" wide strip a couple of feet long and heating up the areas where you want to bend the strip until you have the shape you want with the two down sections going into each tank and the length you want between the tanks. Then measure the top piece so it's 4" above the bottom and where the bends should be and then you cut two side pieces in the inverted U shape, use acrylic epoxy (the same kind used on acrylic aquariums) to glue the two inverted U sides to the top and bottom shaped pieces, cut/sand off any rough edges.. especially the ends that go in the tank and viola... your own DIY bridge with a single sheet of plexiglass. Turn it upside down, fill it with water to test your seams, wiggle or bump it a little to test it's resiliency and if it doesn't leak, then you are good to go. If it leaks, at least with the 4" square openings, you should be able to work on any leaks in the seams from the inside and also from the outside of your bridge. This page on the USPlastics site has clear 90o PVC elbows or 45o bends.. but none of these pipe options are very cost friendly... to go with the pipes if you wanted to go with the pipe and have it all clear. Clear acrylic epoxy would probably work as a glue but check this out more or ask USPlastic's for a clear alternative glue. The only PVC glue that I use is purple. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate g> ory%5Fname=54&Page=1 I'd go with the least expensive option you can... saving any money for the larger tank that would be the best option for all involved. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Yeah, I was thinking it might need some kind of bracing, but really, once it's installed, there wouldn't be that much pressure on it. But then again, I hadn't thought about what would happen if the seal breaks and I have the filter drawing from one tank and returning to the other. Yikes! That would be a real mess. I was doing some more searches on polycarbonate tubing and I think they may have some give to them, so I'll probably go with the acrylic tubing. There's not that much difference in price at usplastic.com . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Man.. I'd be worried about that seam breaking.. or even being able to get a good seam on a 1/8" or 1/16" thick piece of acrylic/polycarbonate tubing. If it was 1/4" thick or something like that, I'd feel a little better about getting a good seat but it would be iffy with such thin material. At least the seams would be over the tanks though and wouldn't be pressure points! ;-) As long as the tanks are able to handle the extra water volume if either of the seams leak, which would cause the tube to lose it's vacuum, then it would work.. unless you had the filter system set up to pump water through the tube and then it would empty one of the tanks onto the floor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Something I was considering a while back was using acrylic tubing to make a water bridge. My thought was if I bought a piece long enough I could have TAP Plastics make a 45 degree cut, turn the cut off piece 180 degrees and seal the pieces together. This should make a 90 degree turn. Do this on each end and it would all be acrylic, no white or black plastic end pieces to obstruct the view. But since that kind of tubing is out of my price range I had to pass on the idea. If the tubing you are looking at is rigid you may be able to do this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I picked up another 20G tank and all accessories on Craigslist for $35. It'll be a while before I'm ready to set it up, but I'm pricing materials to build a water bridge. I decided the one on eBay would probably be a real hassle to alter to my specs. I want the vertical tubes to extend at least below the 25% PWC line. I found a place that sells polycarbonate tubing and I was wondering if this is a reasonable price or if anyone knows where I could find it cheaper. Also, do you think the 1/16" wall width will be ok for a 3" diameter tube or does it need to be 1/8"? The horizontal ru n will be no more than a foot long. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > o> ry%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > > ory%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993> OR http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > > They also have acrylic and clear pvc tubing. The acrylic is a bit more. The clear pvc is a lot more. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

Yeah.. after I wrote that last reply, I saw there was a big price jump from the 3" OD with a 6' minimum and the 3.5" OD with the 8' minimum. I'm not sure why the price jumps so much but maybe the 3" OD is one of the more common sizes so it's cheaper to manufacture due to the volume. Let me know how flexible that 3/64" thick 6' section is. I'd be curious about bending it into an arch between two tanks that are several feet away from each other... of course, it would be held onto the wall with brackets. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I can get 6' of the #42141 tenite for $21.42 plus about $8 shipping and handling. I can make two bridges and sell one. I can also get caps for the ends of the tubes for a nominal price. Then I can fill the tube, cap the ends, put it in place, and remove the caps. It did occur to me that with what I spend on the bridge and this 2nd 20G, I could probably have waited a bit and found myself a 50G. but the 20G came with all the accessories, so it works out. I would have needed to buy a more powerful filter or a second one for a larger tank. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question You know there is still the issue that they only sell that tubing in 8' lengths so you're looking at $64.00+ for the cost. You can get a 55G for less than that... unless you've talked to them and they'll sell you scrap pieces for less money. Then you would only need three scrap pieces, one for the tunnel and two down pieces and the PVC elbows. I know the bridge is kind of cool thing and I'll probably consider one to add another 65G tank to match my current tank to have an 8' long BIG tank, but from what I remember, you are on a budget (aren't we all) so I want to make sure you are getting the most bang for your buck. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I would love to separate the tanks by a few feet, but I doubt it will be more than about a foot at the most. I think I've settled on this for the passageway: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> ry%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > ory%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905> (OR http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> > ) I'll probably use regular pvc elbows to save $$. I'll most likely use aquarium sealant liberally before and after joining them together. Somehow a big aquarium sitting there with just plants in it doesn't seem appealing to me. I'd rather have it look a mess and enjoy watching the fishies have fun. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Were you planning on having the tanks far apart or right next to each other? If right next to each other and you just wanted to take advantage of the added water volume without creating the actual bridge that the fish could swim through, then you could use a couple of U-tubes (at least two for redundancy) http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> > with filter intake screens or a large pore intake sponge cover on them which would provide the water flow between the two tanks with the filter intake on one tank and the return in the other tank. You could also make these out of simple 3/4" to 1" PVC pipe and fittings but the above U-tubes will probably fit over two thinner framed tanks. Then you could turn the one tank into a nicely planted tank and have the goldfish in the other tank so the water and fish will still benefit from the plants without the goldfish constantly remodeling the plants for you. This following article about a DIY overflow box will give you ideas on bending plexiglass if you still want to make the bridge like the one on eBay but having it go deeper into your tanks. You could start off with a 1/4" sheet of plexiglass. Cut a 4" wide strip a couple of feet long and heating up the areas where you want to bend the strip until you have the shape you want with the two down sections going into each tank and the length you want between the tanks. Then measure the top piece so it's 4" above the bottom and where the bends should be and then you cut two side pieces in the inverted U shape, use acrylic epoxy (the same kind used on acrylic aquariums) to glue the two inverted U sides to the top and bottom shaped pieces, cut/sand off any rough edges.. especially the ends that go in the tank and viola... your own DIY bridge with a single sheet of plexiglass. Turn it upside down, fill it with water to test your seams, wiggle or bump it a little to test it's resiliency and if it doesn't leak, then you are good to go. If it leaks, at least with the 4" square openings, you should be able to work on any leaks in the seams from the inside and also from the outside of your bridge. This page on the USPlastics site has clear 90o PVC elbows or 45o bends.. but none of these pipe options are very cost friendly... to go with the pipes if you wanted to go with the pipe and have it all clear. Clear acrylic epoxy would probably work as a glue but check this out more or ask USPlastic's for a clear alternative glue. The only PVC glue that I use is purple. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate g> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate > g> ory%5Fname=54&Page=1 I'd go with the least expensive option you can... saving any money for the larger tank that would be the best option for all involved. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Yeah, I was thinking it might need some kind of bracing, but really, once it's installed, there wouldn't be that much pressure on it. But then again, I hadn't thought about what would happen if the seal breaks and I have the filter drawing from one tank and returning to the other. Yikes! That would be a real mess. I was doing some more searches on polycarbonate tubing and I think they may have some give to them, so I'll probably go with the acrylic tubing. There's not that much difference in price at usplastic.com . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Man.. I'd be worried about that seam breaking.. or even being able to get a good seam on a 1/8" or 1/16" thick piece of acrylic/polycarbonate tubing. If it was 1/4" thick or something like that, I'd feel a little better about getting a good seat but it would be iffy with such thin material. At least the seams would be over the tanks though and wouldn't be pressure points! ;-) As long as the tanks are able to handle the extra water volume if either of the seams leak, which would cause the tube to lose it's vacuum, then it would work.. unless you had the filter system set up to pump water through the tube and then it would empty one of the tanks onto the floor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Something I was considering a while back was using acrylic tubing to make a water bridge. My thought was if I bought a piece long enough I could have TAP Plastics make a 45 degree cut, turn the cut off piece 180 degrees and seal the pieces together. This should make a 90 degree turn. Do this on each end and it would all be acrylic, no white or black plastic end pieces to obstruct the view. But since that kind of tubing is out of my price range I had to pass on the idea. If the tubing you are looking at is rigid you may be able to do this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I picked up another 20G tank and all accessories on Craigslist for $35. It'll be a while before I'm ready to set it up, but I'm pricing materials to build a water bridge. I decided the one on eBay would probably be a real hassle to alter to my specs. I want the vertical tubes to extend at least below the 25% PWC line. I found a place that sells polycarbonate tubing and I was wondering if this is a reasonable price or if anyone knows where I could find it cheaper. Also, do you think the 1/16" wall width will be ok for a 3" diameter tube or does it need to be 1/8"? The horizontal ru n will be no more than a foot long. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > o> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > > o> ry%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > > > ory%5Fname=68&product%5Fid=24993> OR http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > > <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx <http://tinyurl.com/6wcydx> > > > They also have acrylic and clear pvc tubing. The acrylic is a bit more. The clear pvc is a lot more. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35148	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

\\Steve//, My Parish (same as County in other States) uses Chloramine but the annual water report still references chlorine since that is all the EPA requires. See my blog about "Chlorine - Chloramine Information" for actual emails between me and the chemists at the utility and their explanation. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille I've been wondering why you have been waiting for the water people to reply. The company or town department that supplies the water should have a web site, and on that web site should be the latest report available for public consumption that will tell you whether chloramines are used and a lot of other stuff, possibly some that you really don't want to read <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > treatment ended yesterday) > > Tuesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Wednesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Thursday (Today): > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > under 20ppm > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > night. > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting > to show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange > spot on her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > I've seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current > - not so much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them > towards the plastic bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, > and from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any > velvet if it's present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the > process of removing it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be > chloramines, also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water > department. My bill comes from the Township, but the water comes from > Detroit and, rather than talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but > where else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > gill covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps > anywhere else on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > another sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey > or gold dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to > the consistency of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > and more reading here > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > and here > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf > <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of > the fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health > problems because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB > forums... so those forums are a very good place to read and learn > about goldfish from others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > flashing/scratching on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment > you did would/should have also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well > so I'm leaning against it being Velvet. Have you been looking at > pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you see this same "look"? With > all the problems that you've had, for a while, you will be predisposed > to think normal things might be a problem. It's a natural reaction. > > Now... for your test results... > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and > nitrite in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by > most test kits that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them > numbers based on the color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also > want to make sure that your test kit actually tests that low and that > you didn't misplace the decimal point. Normally, we don't worry about > levels below 0.25 in a tank that is still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline > tests, it likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. > Your Prime will handle that with no problems and once your tank's > nitrogen cycle is fully established, any dechlor will be OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days > PraziPro) > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. > I'll have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. > I'm waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > 10ppm > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. > I've never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be > acting normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not > dropsy, scale spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see > that what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled > fairy dust along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of > salt. It looks more like glitter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with > a fungus problem?) > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > :-D > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to > > .15ppm; > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all > > converted, would the test read zero? > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help > > remove the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus > > problem?) > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC > > (but a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive > > for a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading > > of your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went > > from 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest > > you still contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you > > the actual results (check those readings along with him, if he > > allows), you don't need to take any further advise from him > > regarding these readings. > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's > > and CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may > > be the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt > > addition will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I > > first started reading this account of CB having a shortened and > > raggedy caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up > > until I read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior > > only increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be > > pre- spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to > > change her (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > >> > >> > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > >> > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > Nitrite: > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost 0ppm; > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > >> > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > probably > >> change the subject line. > >> > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > at 5pm, > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > should I > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > >> > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > aquarium and > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > results. Will > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > said before > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > of fish > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > trust > >> their advice. > >> > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > don't > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > >> > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > in spots, > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > seems to be > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > do notice > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > that > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > tank, where > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > entertained > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> --------------------Insertion for continuity--------------- > >> > >> Deb, As \\Steve// suggests (points out), usually as a normal > >> progression of Hemorrhagic Septicemia in fish, it will be noted as > >> starting at the base of the fins -- not as starting at the exterior > >> finges of the fins. While I couldn't get a very clear picture, it > >> doesn't seem as if this condition exists in your fish. Of course, > >> keep us advised of any changes. Its quite normal for many Goldfish > >> to change color and color patterns as they grow, and as your's are > >> resuming growth, this may well be what is taking place. This > >> generally occurs when they are slightly older -- and by this, its > >> conceded that along with the slight additional age at which this > >> occurs, the fish would naturally be larger. As your fish may have > >> been held back in growth, and may not be indicative of this > >> phenomenon, their age may be sufficient for them to start > >> undergoing these changes, but keep us posted. Ray > >> > >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Menagerie_Manager" > >> <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > >> > > >> > I tried to get pictures and they're just too fuzzy. I did > > get > >> a short > >> > video, though, that might be clear enough: > >> > http://www.facebook.com/p.php? <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?> > >> > <http://www.facebook.com/p.php? <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?> > >> > > > > i=1124712084&k=Z6MZP3SZU4YCUCGHTGZ2WSU > >> > OR > >> > http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail> > >> > <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail > >> > <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail> > > >> > > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35149	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Hi Bill, Yes, your interest in Rams is well understood. I did surprise me though, as I notice this interest in Angels which you've never mentioned before. Granted, they both are members of the Cichlid Family and do happen to share similar behaviors; from that standpoint, what you gain in knowledge from one species can be applied to the other to a good extent. Still, and I'm just going back to my being taken a bit off guard by your curiousity in this other species, even though the two species are related, they are about as far apart as Angels would be to Oscars, which is what got me. If you are thinking down range towards Angelfish, that's great. I know you must be well aware that they need much more room (than Rams), but I'd be pleased to see you get into them; I know you'd find no end of interest in them. I'm ALWAYS eager to read \\Steve's// posts, or anyone else's who has as much knowledge. One can never learn enough, and there's always room for a different slant on a subject -- or just further input on the same way of doing things. I see in this case, he got back to you while I was still typing, when I had thought I'd post to you while you awaited his response. I never said I was fast at typing (lol). As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's// discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. Now, back to Angelfish breeding -- Do you have a spare bedroom you could set tanks up in (how about your present bedroom, I'm sure your wife wouldn't mind, LOL). What about the Living Room?, Basement?, Garage?, Kitchen? LOL. I would like to see you get involved with these fish as I know you'd enjoy them -- almost as much (maybe more?) as Rams. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray! >   > Just thinking down range a bit.  While it's true I have no interest in Angles at > the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do represent > an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  I don't think I need go any further on that point, as I know that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. >   > Also, we cannot discount \\Steve's // over all knowledge, and if there is a chance too seek > addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two from "this inquiring mind". >   > Happy New Year To You Too!  I understand from previous postings that the computer is giving you "fits" again? >   > Bill >   > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM > > > > > > > Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, > and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw > this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost > daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more > effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, > although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing > the info at this time. > > While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main > purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is > to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching the > fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it > to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most > protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep > it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as an > egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any > infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other > eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. > Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a > minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing eggs. > > The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary > from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for them, > depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/ uses > from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which > is "overkill" and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too > depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago > as up to 10%. > > There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what I > see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring > their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength > has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found that > about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon > recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 > drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. > > "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing PWC's > if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and > then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude > fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile > eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry > separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no > bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in > the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and will > be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will > have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required > during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, > its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi \\Steve// > >   > > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > > First, how much per gallon? > > Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene > blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > > For how long? > >   > > Happy New Year To You! > >   > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar > of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish > in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by > the parents. > > > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two > of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the > filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs > stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another > tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed > to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > last > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > the fish > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > another batch > > > later or something. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one female > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > each other > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > something > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind > it is > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > and is > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > out as he > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two of them > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > likely is it > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > aquarium with > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it might > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > afterall it's a > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they are both > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased in size > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting female > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > more to > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > with eggs on > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that be a bad > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e.. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35150	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: OT for Ray

"As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft feature. Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are complete... If you want a gmail invite just let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35151	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out of a hat. If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can easily understand without having to already know one's way around a PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many thanks, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > feature. > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > complete... > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35152	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Q: Oranda fry food

if the eggs laid are fertile and if the eggs hatch and some of the fry survive. what do i need to feed them ? i will got out to the store and get some food for them later today :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35153	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will be noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know that his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in his color pattern than what he is displaying. Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a 50% chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have developed into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier one didn't make it. As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is not necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such as this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be noted that we are not talking about two different species here but instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile hybrids when it is accomplished, and most often being a detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an improvement. Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color varieties of the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most better Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain to retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain is to line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual and very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as what your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she may be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi strain down the line. Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had been a female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised together as you would most probably have done, you should know that the inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is the INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents itself -- WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish in. The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the point where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable from many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp eggs from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly from a supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings when buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you many hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good environment > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started to > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black striped > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much more > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like the > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has all he > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, and > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't seem to > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the top of > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one of > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier Koi, > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank (since > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that route, > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order that > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps later > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even fully > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my severum is > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already getting > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), he's > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so preoccupied > with the holidays lately. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems (lock- > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that your > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry gathered > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore and > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > > fish in short time. > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the parents > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat these > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at least > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will make > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you may > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down to > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally to > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid divider > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation and > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of time > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be eaten > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not the > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned up > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which would > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have the > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a clear > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other fish) > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they want > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank of > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the Angel > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color pattern. > > Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > > last > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of the > > fish > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for another > > batch > > > later or something. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with one > > female > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > > each other > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > > something > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind it > > is > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > > and is > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > > out as he > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the two > > of them > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > likely is it > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > > aquarium with > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if it > > might > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, afterall > > it's a > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that they > > are both > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have increased > > in size > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an expecting > > female > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > more to > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > with eggs on > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would that > > be a bad > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35154	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

Actually, I just buy small zucchini and yellow squash at the supermarket, cut it into the right-size pieces and freeze it on cookie sheets. After it freezes solid, I store it in zip-lock bags. It has an effect on the squash very like blanching it and lasts for months. Just wrap a plant weight around it or put it in a clamp on the side of your tank. All my vegetarian fish love it!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35155	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

All the reports from the various suppliers around here will at least reference the use of chloramines, if not show an actual average measurement. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:19 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > \\Steve//, > > My Parish (same as County in other States) uses Chloramine but the annual > water report still references chlorine since that is all the EPA requires. > See my blog about "Chlorine - Chloramine Information" for actual emails > between me and the chemists at the utility and their explanation. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > I've been wondering why you have been waiting for the water people to reply. > The company or town department that supplies the water should have a web > site, and on that web site should be the latest report available for public > consumption that will tell you whether chloramines are used and a lot of > other stuff, possibly some that you really don't want to read <g>. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > > Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > treatment ended yesterday) > > > > Tuesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Wednesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Thursday (Today): > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > > under 20ppm > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > > night. > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting > > to show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange > > spot on her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an > orange, also. > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > > I've seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current > > - not so much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them > > towards the plastic bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, > > and from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any > > velvet if it's present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the > > process of removing it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be > > chloramines, also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water > > department. My bill comes from the Township, but the water comes from > > Detroit and, rather than talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the > water processing department. > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but > > where else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > > chloramines. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > > gill covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps > > anywhere else on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > > another sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey > > or gold dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to > > the consistency of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > > and more reading here > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > > and here > > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf > > <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of > > the fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health > > problems because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB > > forums... so those forums are a very good place to read and learn > > about goldfish from others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > > flashing/scratching on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment > > you did would/should have also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well > > so I'm leaning against it being Velvet. Have you been looking at > > pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you see this same "look"? With > > all the problems that you've had, for a while, you will be predisposed > > to think normal things might be a problem. It's a natural reaction. > > > > Now... for your test results... > > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and > > nitrite in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by > > most test kits that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them > > numbers based on the color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also > > want to make sure that your test kit actually tests that low and that > > you didn't misplace the decimal point. Normally, we don't worry about > > levels below 0.25 in a tank that is still cycling.... although yours > should be darn close to being completed. > > > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline > > tests, it likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. > > Your Prime will handle that with no problems and once your tank's > > nitrogen cycle is fully established, any dechlor will be OK. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > > Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days > > PraziPro) > > > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. > > I'll have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. > > I'm waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > > 10ppm > > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. > > I've never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be > > acting normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not > > dropsy, scale spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see > > that what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled > > fairy dust along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of > > salt. It looks more like glitter. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with > > a fungus problem?) > > > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > > :-D > > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to > > > .15ppm; > > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all > > > converted, would the test read zero? > > > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help > > > remove the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > > fungus > > > problem?) > > > > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC > > > (but a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive > > > for a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading > > > of your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went > > > from 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest > > > you still contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you > > > the actual results (check those readings along with him, if he > > > allows), you don't need to take any further advise from him > > > regarding these readings. > > > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's > > > and CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may > > > be the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt > > > addition will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I > > > first started reading this account of CB having a shortened and > > > raggedy caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up > > > until I read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior > > > only increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be > > > pre- spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to > > > change her (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > > >> > > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > > Nitrite: > > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > almost 0ppm; > > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > > >> > > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > > probably > > >> change the subject line. > > >> > > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > > at 5pm, > > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > > should I > > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > > >> > > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > > aquarium and > > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > > results. Will > > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > > said before > > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > > of fish > > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > > trust > > >> their advice. > > >> > > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > > don't > > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > > >> > > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > > in spots, > > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > > seems to be > > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > > do notice > > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > > that > > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > > tank, where > > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > > entertained > > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > > >> > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >> > > >> --------------------Insertion for continuity--------------- > > >> > > >> Deb, As \\Steve// suggests (points out), usually as a normal > > >> progression of Hemorrhagic Septicemia in fish, it will be noted as > > >> starting at the base of the fins -- not as starting at the exterior > > >> finges of the fins. While I couldn't get a very clear picture, it > > >> doesn't seem as if this condition exists in your fish. Of course, > > >> keep us advised of any changes. Its quite normal for many Goldfish > > >> to change color and color patterns as they grow, and as your's are > > >> resuming growth, this may well be what is taking place. This > > >> generally occurs when they are slightly older -- and by this, its > > >> conceded that along with the slight additional age at which this > > >> occurs, the fish would naturally be larger. As your fish may have > > >> been held back in growth, and may not be indicative of this > > >> phenomenon, their age may be sufficient for them to start > > >> undergoing these changes, but keep us posted. Ray > > >> > > >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > >> <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > I tried to get pictures and they're just too fuzzy. I did > > > get > > >> a short > > >> > video, though, that might be clear enough: > > >> > http://www.facebook.com/p.php? <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?> > > >> > <http://www.facebook.com/p.php? <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?> > > >> > > > > > i=1124712084&k=Z6MZP3SZU4YCUCGHTGZ2WSU > > >> > OR > > >> > http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail> > > >> > <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail > > >> > <http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail> > > > >> > > > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35156	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

Ya know, I so wish I had thought of this when I had squash coming out of my ears (or so it seemed) last fall when the vines went insane!  I bet the koi would have loved it too!   Chris Owens in VA --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> wrote: From: Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:40 AM Actually, I just buy small zucchini and yellow squash at the supermarket, cut it into the right-size pieces and freeze it on cookie sheets. After it freezes solid, I store it in zip-lock bags. It has an effect on the squash very like blanching it and lasts for months. Just wrap a plant weight around it or put it in a clamp on the side of your tank. All my vegetarian fish love it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35157	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Ray, You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new (or newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my services to you long ago. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out > of a hat. > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > thanks, Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > wrote: > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > feature. > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > replies, > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > complete... > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35158	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs

yup she slimmed down now so she must have been filling up with eggs i did not see if the male followed her to fertilize the eggs. got up at 9 am fed the fins, furs and fids went back to bed got up at 3 pm, got everything ready for PWC and saw eggs glued all over the front of the glass, the back and sides, the air hose line and the filter intake tube, guess I'll know in a few days if the eggs are fertilized or not so far most of the eggs are still. i am headed to the doctor's office real soon, need antibiotics for me before i end up in the hospital with Pneumonia, asthma or both Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs They may not have been fertilized. I wonder if this is why one of them were getting fatter... from filling up with eggs? Did she slim down now? Females will/can still scatter eggs without a male figuring out they are supposed to follow along and fertilize them.. or maybe the males aren't even mature enough. Do you have at least one male with breeding tubercles (bumps) on their gill covers and leading ray of pectoral fins? Read up on several Goldfish Breeding sites for more info. I've never found a good well written comprehensive site on breeding goldfish in aquariums. Many are written for ponds which are the best place for breeding them. Disregard the smaller tank sizes in some of these articles as they were written when so many people were still promoting 10G per goldfish as sufficient water volume. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/ponds/Wilkinson_3Goldfish.html (this is part 3 of a 4 part article that is probably one of the best articles on goldfish care that I've found on the net or in any book... and she agrees with me on minimum water volume of 30G per fancy goldfish too!) http://thegab.org/Articles/SexingGoldfish.html http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/breeding.html If your Google searching finds anything more comprehensive, let me know. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My Oranda laid eggs sometime this morning. i have well over 100 eggs all over the glass, air hose tubing and intake for the filter ... now Lenny don't start telling me about how small my tank is for this i know, i was not planning on breeding them and the eggs will probably become fish food after i get my 100+ gallon tank ........ then i will MAYBE see about breeding them :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35159	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Amber, Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking for... Jim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and maybe a > little better variety), try > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a better > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > Amber > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum 350 > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various spare > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to the > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Jim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they are > > made by > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link to > > see if > > > it's the same filter. > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? pcatid=3595 > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? pcatid=3595> > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom of the > > hoses > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > wondering > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of the > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn brown > > instead > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, hehe). I > > would > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved down > > them to > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are careful, > > don't > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > forget > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different lengths). > > If > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's easy > > enough > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would make sure > > you > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > point in > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the hose > > to > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I would > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > tighten > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any outflowing if > > the > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are still > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of forgetting to > > turn > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all sorts > > of > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of course I > > had > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, LOL). I > > made > > > the hugest mess though! > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water (make sure > > to > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous owners > > didn't > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both sides of > > the > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them and > > pulling > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open the > > valves > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get the lid > > off > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do this > > make > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large bucket/rubbermaid > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what was in > > the > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another incident > > I > > > had, LOL. > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I swear, > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as you're > > not > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at me, > > LOL). > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free to let > > me > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough quirks in > > the > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio-wheel but > > it's > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself goes. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the 5/8" > > tubing > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in place of > > those > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better off > > getting > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement rubber > > > > bands... > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in line" > > on your > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't start to > > suck > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35160	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

With all due respect my friend, I don�t think that anything could replace those rams right now!� The reason, like most things with me, is simple.� No knowledge of them plus their compact size.� Angels are not really that demanding and are beautiful to watch swimming, they are very graceful.� Their swimming habits always reminded me more of gliding through the water rather than actual swimming.�� But to do them any justice at all, a 55-gallon tank or better is needed.� The more room you give these fish the more you can enjoy them because they will respond in kind and are well worth the effort and cost of a larger tank � I�ve had both Angels and Discus at one time or another and most of the other common Cichlids as well.� Including Firemouths, and Oscars and with all I can say from my own personal observations; cichlids for the most part are really a �personality type� fish.� Within a short time, even the shyest of them will become accustomed to your comings and goings and will start to appear at the top of the tank for food or treats.� I had Oscars that were not content with this, and preferred to bang the glass cover on top of their tank and would continue to do so until they were fed!� They thought this was funny. � These days I just don�t have that much room.� Another important point is that I have never had the opportunity to have Rams and it now seems that with the water parameters that I have, I can offer them perfect accommodations!� At least this is what I�m hoping for, time will tell. � On your ONGOING (you didn�t say that before, my impression was that the trouble was just a now and again type of thing) computer issues I can only bow my head and offer a few prayers because that thing is going to break down sooner or later.� I can offer this one bit of advice.� If you were ever thinking of a new one, you will not find a better time to spend the money than now.� Sales are very plentiful at all the large chain stores, Target, Staples, Sears, and yes, Wally-World too!� They are offering some great machines well under $500 dollars.� If you should suddenly drop from our sight here on the �net�; I will conclude that your machine has done to the �Great Above� and will risk a phone check to see how your making out.� Think of it this way, computers are just like your socks, you can�t do without them for long!� Especially in this weather! � Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:44 AM Hi Bill, Yes, your interest in Rams is well understood. I did surprise me though, as I notice this interest in Angels which you've never mentioned before. Granted, they both are members of the Cichlid Family and do happen to share similar behaviors; from that standpoint, what you gain in knowledge from one species can be applied to the other to a good extent. Still, and I'm just going back to my being taken a bit off guard by your curiousity in this other species, even though the two species are related, they are about as far apart as Angels would be to Oscars, which is what got me. If you are thinking down range towards Angelfish, that's great. I know you must be well aware that they need much more room (than Rams), but I'd be pleased to see you get into them; I know you'd find no end of interest in them. I'm ALWAYS eager to read \\Steve's// posts, or anyone else's who has as much knowledge. One can never learn enough, and there's always room for a different slant on a subject -- or just further input on the same way of doing things. I see in this case, he got back to you while I was still typing, when I had thought I'd post to you while you awaited his response. I never said I was fast at typing (lol). As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's// discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. Now, back to Angelfish breeding -- Do you have a spare bedroom you could set tanks up in (how about your present bedroom, I'm sure your wife wouldn't mind, LOL). What about the Living Room?, Basement?, Garage?, Kitchen? LOL. I would like to see you get involved with these fish as I know you'd enjoy them -- almost as much (maybe more?) as Rams. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Ray! > � > Just thinking down range a bit.� While it's true I have no interest in Angles at > the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do represent > an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".� I don't think I need go any further on that point, as I know that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. > � > Also, we cannot discount \\Steve's // over all knowledge, and if there is a chance too seek > addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two from "this inquiring mind". > � > Happy New Year To You Too!� I understand from previous postings that the computer is giving you "fits" again? > � > Bill > � > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM > > > > > > > Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, > and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw > this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost > daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more > effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, > although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing > the info at this time. > > While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main > purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is > to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching the > fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it > to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most > protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep > it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as an > egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any > infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other > eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. > Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a > minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing eggs. > > The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary > from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for them, > depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/ uses > from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which > is "overkill" and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too > depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago > as up to 10%. > > There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what I > see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring > their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength > has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found that > about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon > recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 > drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. > > "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing PWC's > if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and > then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude > fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile > eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry > separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no > bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in > the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and will > be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will > have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required > during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, > its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi \\Steve// > > � > > Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? > > First, how much per gallon? > > Second,�assuming regular water changes, continue with the methylene > blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? > > For how long? > > � > > Happy New Year To You! > > � > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several > times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar > of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish > in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had a > feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by > the parents. > > > > If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the two > of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the > appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed plants > (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, and > cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the > filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs > stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to another > tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically placed > to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything about > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an answer > last > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > the fish > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > another batch > > > later or something. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one female > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > each other > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I figured > something > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs and > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what kind > it is > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes in > and is > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > out as he > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two of them > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > likely is it > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > aquarium with > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it might > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > afterall it's a > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they are both > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased in size > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting female > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > more to > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > with eggs on > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that be a bad > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..>< > ((((�> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35161	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by phone \\Steve//?   Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM Ray, You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new (or newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my services to you long ago. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out > of a hat. > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > thanks, Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> > wrote: > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > feature. > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > replies, > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > complete... > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35162	From: pepe_joan	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: escape proof hoods

any ideas on an escape proof hood for my 75 gallon tank that is home to one very curious bichir. I want something attractive ,the duct tape method isn't working for me. thank you.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35163	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Q: Oranda fry food

It will be difficult to feed them in a tank with adults. They will be able to find plenty of food in your tank to start, eating the microscopic critters. You can crush your current flake food to a powder so they can eat that as well. The problem is that the fry will be competing for the food with the adults. If you really want to try to raise them, you should move a few to separate quarters and feed them there and let them grow until they are large enough to compete with the adults. Of course, You really do not have enough room in that tank for the fish you have now, so this may be an exercise in futility. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:28 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q: Oranda fry food > > if the eggs laid are fertile and if the eggs hatch and some of the fry survive. what do i need > to feed them ? > i will got out to the store and get some food for them later today :) > > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35164	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Q: Oranda fry food

In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:28:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, amazonbirds@... writes: if the eggs laid are fertile and if the eggs hatch and some of the fry survive. what do i need to feed them ? i will got out to the store and get some food for them later today :) Darlene I have bred goldies before (circa 1986). Here's what I did; Adults laid eggs in artificial plant and I had set up a 30 gal 3/4 of the way full and had no clue what I was going to put in. It was close enough to a window and the water turned green. So I decided to move the spawn in there. (the water was from the goldfish tank and there was a sponge filter in place). Three days later I had hundreds of what looked like pieces of string with eyes hanging from the sides of the glass. I went for the easy homemade deal; boil a chicken egg, all you want is the yolk, take a pinch of said yolk and put in a one ounce container with tank water. Shake it good and feed them that at three days old (you want them free swimming, as long as they dont swim they still have embrionic egg yolk) for the fist week, twice a day. After the first week of feeding they can graduate to powdered fish food. A huge number of the fry will be deformed, you have to cull constantly. You have to do A LOT of PWC. We are talking hundreds if not over a thousand fry. Using an air hose I would vacuum the bare bottom after feeding to remove uneaten food + poop. DO NOT use a regular sized hose to do your partial because the fry will get sucked. You are enslaved to using the air hose until they get some size and get some sense in getting away from the hose. Let me tell you it took a lot of time and dedication. Once they reach 1/4 of an inch you NEED to find homes, separate further, fill every container you can find and if need be, take over the garage and put the largest wading pool you can find in there for them. If you are lucky very few will make it...otherwise your friends and family will decides you went off the deep end and need to be sent to the asilum. I ended up with more than 100 fry, but got lucky and many people wanted a baby goldie because they all knew how big mine were. I'm old school and make my own food whenever I can. Trust me, you dont need to buy fry food for goldfish babies. Suspended egg yolk will do. After that grind up any high quality goldfish pellets until they get some size to them. Then get a gel recipe from the many that were posted and go from there. Enid **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35165	From: Linda and Cooper	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

I took 1/4 inch welded wire, coated with vinyl, cut to fit the top perfectly snug tight, then I "sewed" using fishing monofilament line, nylon screen onto that. The welded wire gives it strength and fits perfectly. It does rust some, but just a tiny bit on the edges. I've not had to replace it in 3 years. It works fine. No one gets out. I lift the corner to feed. Linda/FL ----- Original Message ----- any ideas on an escape proof hood

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35166	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

How about a brick?  Appealing wrapped in a wood grain type of contact paper to make it a bit more appealing to the eye?  I had to do this once for Oscars I was keeping as they would bang the top of their glass cover for treats or food.   Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, pepe_joan <pepe_joan@...> wrote: From: pepe_joan <pepe_joan@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] escape proof hoods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:03 AM any ideas on an escape proof hood for my 75 gallon tank that is home to one very curious bichir. I want something attractive ,the duct tape method isn't working for me. thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35167	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Bill, With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to have eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and effect the fixes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by phone \\Steve//? > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > Ray, > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new (or > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my > services to you long ago. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out > > of a hat. > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > > replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35168	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Harl, Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have to be by invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past two years. Just go to http://www.Gmail.com and sign up. I know they still give us the Invite bot on the Gmail home page It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why Google has decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they are always working on new features but that could be said for almost any software that exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for legal reasons so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they don't start a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it first started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of those first 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail account dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still going... only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is constantly raising the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig of storage which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. Hotmail was only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of the freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited levels. I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one does not have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent emails... kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried it since I use Outlook. http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as Gmail has. LOL Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft feature. Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are complete... If you want a gmail invite just let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35169	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: tails on gold fish

The good news is there is no signs of ich now. but the question i have is Does ich?? cause a gold fish tail to look like i thas been chewed up? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35170	From: Leanna	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

the tetras i have are neons and the corycat is one that starts with a p. i can remember what it was but he stays small --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Not knowing what kind of tetras and cory you have, I'd say that you are > getting close to the stocking limit of your tank, so no on both > additions. > > Also, glass catfish need to be kept in groups, and that would be enough > to keep you from getting them. They can also be finicky eaters and are > relatively hard to keep healthy, another mark against them. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Leanna > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:14 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] powder blue dwarf grami > > > > hi its anna again, > > > > i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my > 10gallon > > i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass cat be > ok?? > > thanks much > > > > Anna > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35171	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Ray, You should check with your local library or Senior Center... not implying you're a senior but you did mention you've been keeping fish for 60 years.. lol... anyhow, many libraries and other non-profits offer free basic computer classes and it's a good place to learn all the basics... especially if you're not even familiar with your computer's basic word processor and the copy/paste applications yet. All Windows (probably Mac's too) computers come with a basic word processor which you could open when getting ready to compose something long. If you are having internet connection problems which are causing you to lose your long posts, then you could compose them on your own computer's word processing program like WordPad or NotePad, both found in your Start>All Programs>Accessories section... and then save the document as a file on your desktop. After you've proofed your writing (more advanced word processors like MS-Word also offer Spell-Check, Grammar and Composition checking also), then you could copy/paste it to the Yahoo Group's post field and hit the send button. If something fails on your internet connection and the post doesn't get sent properly, you still have your long writing saved as a file on your desktop so you could just re-copy/paste it and send it again. In computer lingo, the "Desktop" is actually just the monitor... kind of envision your monitor laying flat and you have your work spread out on it... after you're done sending it, the saved file, currently saved on your desktop, it could be moved to an actual file folder in your My Documents folder after you're done with it or just move it to your Recycle Bin (the trash can on your desktop). If you want to learn more about computing, feel free to email me off-list and I'll be happy to walk you through these things. \\Steve// is also very knowledgeable... but I don't want to volunteer his computer help services without his permission. ;-) Of course, there are Yahoo Groups for all of these computer user things as well. CHAD is a good one for general computer user questions and help but still has a wide range of users so you can get a reliable answer to almost any question, whether newbie or geek-speak about anything to do with computers... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Computer_Help_And_Discussion and it's a fairly busy group with about 3,000 members and around 1,000 messages a month so you'll have the opportunity to read and learn from others mistakes. Fish... darn.. second post today where I almost didn't mention fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out of a hat. If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can easily understand without having to already know one's way around a PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many thanks, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not > "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate > change, yesterday afternoon. > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > feature. > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > complete... > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35172	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

Don't know about 75 gallon. On my 20 gallon I have a Walmart setup. Tank, hood and stand. It'd be a bit hard for a fish to get around. Possible but would require higher intelligence. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pepe_joan" <pepe_joan@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] escape proof hoods any ideas on an escape proof hood for my 75 gallon tank that is home to one very curious bichir. I want something attractive ,the duct tape method isn't working for me. thank you. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35173	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

I went to the website and wasn't able to find that info. I'll give it another try and make sure I didn't miss a link. We get a statement every year through the mail. I usually scan through it and pretend I understand it all, but I've never had a reason to hang on to it. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille I've been wondering why you have been waiting for the water people to reply. The company or town department that supplies the water should have a web site, and on that web site should be the latest report available for public consumption that will tell you whether chloramines are used and a lot of other stuff, possibly some that you really don't want to read <g>. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35174	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Water Bridge Tank Connector Question

I'll let you know. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Yeah.. after I wrote that last reply, I saw there was a big price jump from the 3" OD with a 6' minimum and the 3.5" OD with the 8' minimum. I'm not sure why the price jumps so much but maybe the 3" OD is one of the more common sizes so it's cheaper to manufacture due to the volume. Let me know how flexible that 3/64" thick 6' section is. I'd be curious about bending it into an arch between two tanks that are several feet away from each other... of course, it would be held onto the wall with brackets. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I can get 6' of the #42141 tenite for $21.42 plus about $8 shipping and handling. I can make two bridges and sell one. I can also get caps for the ends of the tubes for a nominal price. Then I can fill the tube, cap the ends, put it in place, and remove the caps. It did occur to me that with what I spend on the bridge and this 2nd 20G, I could probably have waited a bit and found myself a 50G. but the 20G came with all the accessories, so it works out. I would have needed to buy a more powerful filter or a second one for a larger tank. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question You know there is still the issue that they only sell that tubing in 8' lengths so you're looking at $64.00+ for the cost. You can get a 55G for less than that... unless you've talked to them and they'll sell you scrap pieces for less money. Then you would only need three scrap pieces, one for the tunnel and two down pieces and the PVC elbows. I know the bridge is kind of cool thing and I'll probably consider one to add another 65G tank to match my current tank to have an 8' long BIG tank, but from what I remember, you are on a budget (aren't we all) so I want to make sure you are getting the most bang for your buck. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I would love to separate the tanks by a few feet, but I doubt it will be more than about a foot at the most. I think I've settled on this for the passageway: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&catego <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ o> ry%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ > ory%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905> (OR http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube <http://tinyurl.com/tenite-tube> > ) I'll probably use regular pvc elbows to save $$. I'll most likely use aquarium sealant liberally before and after joining them together. Somehow a big aquarium sitting there with just plants in it doesn't seem appealing to me. I'd rather have it look a mess and enjoy watching the fishies have fun. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Were you planning on having the tanks far apart or right next to each other? If right next to each other and you just wanted to take advantage of the added water volume without creating the actual bridge that the fish could swim through, then you could use a couple of U-tubes (at least two for redundancy) http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/2618/product.web> > with filter intake screens or a large pore intake sponge cover on them which would provide the water flow between the two tanks with the filter intake on one tank and the return in the other tank. You could also make these out of simple 3/4" to 1" PVC pipe and fittings but the above U-tubes will probably fit over two thinner framed tanks. Then you could turn the one tank into a nicely planted tank and have the goldfish in the other tank so the water and fish will still benefit from the plants without the goldfish constantly remodeling the plants for you. This following article about a DIY overflow box will give you ideas on bending plexiglass if you still want to make the bridge like the one on eBay but having it go deeper into your tanks. You could start off with a 1/4" sheet of plexiglass. Cut a 4" wide strip a couple of feet long and heating up the areas where you want to bend the strip until you have the shape you want with the two down sections going into each tank and the length you want between the tanks. Then measure the top piece so it's 4" above the bottom and where the bends should be and then you cut two side pieces in the inverted U shape, use acrylic epoxy (the same kind used on acrylic aquariums) to glue the two inverted U sides to the top and bottom shaped pieces, cut/sand off any rough edges.. especially the ends that go in the tank and viola... your own DIY bridge with a single sheet of plexiglass. Turn it upside down, fill it with water to test your seams, wiggle or bump it a little to test it's resiliency and if it doesn't leak, then you are good to go. If it leaks, at least with the 4" square openings, you should be able to work on any leaks in the seams from the inside and also from the outside of your bridge. This page on the USPlastics site has clear 90o PVC elbows or 45o bends.. but none of these pipe options are very cost friendly... to go with the pipes if you wanted to go with the pipe and have it all clear. Clear acrylic epoxy would probably work as a glue but check this out more or ask USPlastic's for a clear alternative glue. The only PVC glue that I use is purple. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&categ <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate g> <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate <http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&cate > g> ory%5Fname=54&Page=1 I'd go with the least expensive option you can... saving any money for the larger tank that would be the best option for all involved. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Yeah, I was thinking it might need some kind of bracing, but really, once it's installed, there wouldn't be that much pressure on it. But then again, I hadn't thought about what would happen if the seal breaks and I have the filter drawing from one tank and returning to the other. Yikes! That would be a real mess. I was doing some more searches on polycarbonate tubing and I think they may have some give to them, so I'll probably go with the acrylic tubing. There's not that much difference in price at usplastic.com . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Man.. I'd be worried about that seam breaking.. or even being able to get a good seam on a 1/8" or 1/16" thick piece of acrylic/polycarbonate tubing. If it was 1/4" thick or something like that, I'd feel a little better about getting a good seat but it would be iffy with such thin material. At least the seams would be over the tanks though and wouldn't be pressure points! ;-) As long as the tanks are able to handle the extra water volume if either of the seams leak, which would cause the tube to lose it's vacuum, then it would work.. unless you had the filter system set up to pump water through the tube and then it would empty one of the tanks onto the floor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question Something I was considering a while back was using acrylic tubing to make a water bridge. My thought was if I bought a piece long enough I could have TAP Plastics make a 45 degree cut, turn the cut off piece 180 degrees and seal the pieces together. This should make a 90 degree turn. Do this on each end and it would all be acrylic, no white or black plastic end pieces to obstruct the view. But since that kind of tubing is out of my price range I had to pass on the idea. If the tubing you are looking at is rigid you may be able to do this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Bridge Tank Connector Question I picked up another 20G tank and all accessories on Craigslist for $35. It'll be a while before I'm ready to set it up, but I'm pricing materials to build a water bridge. I decided the one on eBay would probably be a real hassle to alter to my specs. I want the vertical tubes to extend at least below the 25% PWC line. I found a place that sells polycarbonate tubing and I was wondering if this is a reasonable price or if anyone knows where I could find it cheaper. Also, do you think the 1/16" wall width will be ok for a 3" diameter tube or does it need to be 1/8"? 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The acrylic is a bit more. The clear pvc is a lot more. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35175	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

I'm lazy.. I just buy the 99 cents 1 pound bag of frozen zucchini slices and other frozen veggies for the fish. When company comes over and sees all the veggies in my freezer (Zucchini, Green Peas and Mixed Veggies), they actually think I eat healthy. LOL I also use the plant weights to weigh down the semi-floater foods like a zucchini slice. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Bender Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco Actually, I just buy small zucchini and yellow squash at the supermarket, cut it into the right-size pieces and freeze it on cookie sheets. After it freezes solid, I store it in zip-lock bags. It has an effect on the squash very like blanching it and lasts for months. Just wrap a plant weight around it or put it in a clamp on the side of your tank. All my vegetarian fish love it!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

Hey there.. long time no see out here. How's that pond coming along? Yes, your Koi would also love it but I'm wondering about the rind? I'm guessing it's OK for them to eat since we humans eat the rind when cooked but you might want to double check it with other Koi keepers. I know my goldfish prefer NOT to eat the rind and I blanche the zucchini first but the rind semi-circle is still left over after they are done with all the pulp. I guess it would depend on how big your Koi are getting. A full grown one could probably eat a small zucchini in one bite. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens-Polski Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco Ya know, I so wish I had thought of this when I had squash coming out of my ears (or so it seemed) last fall when the vines went insane!  I bet the koi would have loved it too!   Chris Owens in VA --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> wrote: From: Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:40 AM Actually, I just buy small zucchini and yellow squash at the supermarket, cut it into the right-size pieces and freeze it on cookie sheets. After it freezes solid, I store it in zip-lock bags. It has an effect on the squash very like blanching it and lasts for months. Just wrap a plant weight around it or put it in a clamp on the side of your tank. All my vegetarian fish love it!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35177	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

Plexiglass... where you can make custom cut-outs for your filters, etc. This will also save you on water... in areas where water conservation is a concern... since any evaporation would collect on the plexiglass and drip back into the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pepe_joan Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:03 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] escape proof hoods any ideas on an escape proof hood for my 75 gallon tank that is home to one very curious bichir. I want something attractive ,the duct tape method isn't working for me. thank you. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35178	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Metro Detroiters - Chloramines?

It occurs to me that maybe someone has already been able to find info on water processing for the Detroit water system. My baseline tests show ammonia after 24 hours, which kind of tells me that Detroit uses ammonia/ammonium to make chloramines. Has anyone got info from the Detroit Water Department to say one way or the other for sure. Until I get an answer, either here or from them, I'll assume chloramines and treat for that. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35179	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing things first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or relatives when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a person's computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has a remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like Logmein.com so I can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out in the streets. Fish... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray Bill, With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to have eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and effect the fixes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by phone \\Steve//? > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > Ray, > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new (or > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my > services to you long ago. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I can > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be among > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them out > > of a hat. > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > > replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35180	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them left... Now if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! Harl On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Harl, > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have to be by > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past two years. > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> and sign up. I > know they still give us the > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why Google has > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they are always > working on new features but that could be said for almost any software that > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for legal reasons > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they don't start > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it first > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of those first > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail account > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still going... > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is constantly raising > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig of storage > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. Hotmail was > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of the > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited levels. > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one does not > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent emails... > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried it since I > use Outlook. > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as Gmail has. > LOL > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > feature. > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > complete... > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: tails on gold fish

It can if there were lots of parasites on the tail but it could also be a secondary infection causing fin rot. When fish get stressed, such as during an Ich outbreak and the subsequent treatment(s), their immune system falters which can allow other problems to develop that the fish might normally have been able to fight off on it's own. You should start by doing frequent 25% PWC's (daily if necessary) & gravel vacuuming and at least weekly filter maintenance to improve overall water quality. Add and maintain salt at the level of 0.1% (1 teaspoon per gallon... including on any water replaced with the frequent PWC's). If you don't see improvement within a week, you may need to go with a stronger medicine like an antibiotic. If you have MelaFix on hand, you could also treat the water with it instead of the salt as the initial treatment. Salt can be regular table salt, preferably plain and no preservatives but if you only have iodized with preservatives, that will also work for short term treatment purposes. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tails on gold fish The good news is there is no signs of ich now. but the question i have is Does ich?? cause a gold fish tail to look like i thas been chewed up?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35182	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: tails on gold fish

One more thing to add... Here's a more detailed article on treating Goldfish fin rot.. with a more hands on approach. The Dick Boyd's Vita Chem and NovaAqua are not required. Your normal dechlor will work fine. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/finrot.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tails on gold fish The good news is there is no signs of ich now. but the question i have is Does ich?? cause a gold fish tail to look like i thas been chewed up? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Metro Detroiters - Chloramines?

Remember that you can use Prime as a dechlor which also will treat that low level of ammonia but once your tank is fully cycled, when doing your normal PWC's, you would only be introducing 0.125ppm or less of ammonia with each PWC which would immediately be converted via the nitrogen cycle in your running filtration... so you can switch to a regular less expensive dechlor, than Prime, if you wanted. More than likely, your water is treated with chloramines or maybe they actually add ammonia to the water in addition to chlorine... in either case, the above is still applicable. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Metro Detroiters - Chloramines? It occurs to me that maybe someone has already been able to find info on water processing for the Detroit water system. My baseline tests show ammonia after 24 hours, which kind of tells me that Detroit uses ammonia/ammonium to make chloramines. Has anyone got info from the Detroit Water Department to say one way or the other for sure. Until I get an answer, either here or from them, I'll assume chloramines and treat for that. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35184	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cukes for pleco

It's mapped out and ready to be dug in March or so!  :D  It's 12' by 25, and 3' deep, two waterfall features and an oriental style walkbridge over a narrower portion.  I'm still going round and round with the designer about an area I want to do and he thinks I'm nuts.  (I want a natural filtration area/bog that is supposed to be super beneficial in addition to the other filters) I figure I'm paying him, by all that is holy/unholy he'll do it.  Meanwhile the koi crowd are rooming together in a 200g aquarium in the basement having a great time.  They are up to 5" now and swishing around nicely with their butterfly fins - lol, and I've literally got them eating out of my hands which guests think is the coolest thing ever!   The two large plecos (the two 16 inchers) are in the 125g hanging out while I argue with the connector leaks for the wet/dry filter in the back.  The large gold one has decided it likes to be petted and will come up to the top of the tank and swim repeatedly under your hand like a cat arching it's back.    Chris in VA (and yes darling, taking burlesque classes - wicked smile) --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 12:47 PM Hey there.. long time no see out here. How's that pond coming along? Yes, your Koi would also love it but I'm wondering about the rind? I'm guessing it's OK for them to eat since we humans eat the rind when cooked but you might want to double check it with other Koi keepers. I know my goldfish prefer NOT to eat the rind and I blanche the zucchini first but the rind semi-circle is still left over after they are done with all the pulp. I guess it would depend on how big your Koi are getting. A full grown one could probably eat a small zucchini in one bite. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens-Polski Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco Ya know, I so wish I had thought of this when I had squash coming out of my ears (or so it seemed) last fall when the vines went insane!  I bet the koi would have loved it too!   Chris Owens in VA --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Gregg Bender <greggb57@gmail. com> wrote: From: Gregg Bender <greggb57@gmail. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cukes for pleco To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:40 AM Actually, I just buy small zucchini and yellow squash at the supermarket, cut it into the right-size pieces and freeze it on cookie sheets. After it freezes solid, I store it in zip-lock bags. It has an effect on the squash very like blanching it and lasts for months. Just wrap a plant weight around it or put it in a clamp on the side of your tank. All my vegetarian fish love it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35185	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

OK, cory with a p. Corydoras paleatus Corydoras panda Corydoras pantanelensis Corydoras piragua Corydoras parallelus Corydoras pastazensis Corydoras pastazensis orcesi Corydoras paucerna Corydoras pauciradiatus (now Aspidoras pauciradiatus) Corydoras pinheiroi Corydoras polystictus Corydoras potaroensis Corydoras pulcher Corydoras punctatus Corydoras punctatus sipaliwini Corydoras pygmaeus Of the fish in this list, the size does not vary more than 2 inches, so, all of them could be said to be small, and stay small. Taking the largest of these that are commonly available, and know knowing what you have for tetras, I still stand by my assessment that adding either of the fish you wish will be overstocking the tank. Neon tetras do better in groups of 5 or more, so you might want to consider adding a few more neons instead. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: powder blue dwarf grami > > the tetras i have are neons and the corycat is one that starts with a > p. i can remember what it was but he stays small > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Not knowing what kind of tetras and cory you have, I'd say that you > are > > getting close to the stocking limit of your tank, so no on both > > additions. > > > > Also, glass catfish need to be kept in groups, and that would be > enough > > to keep you from getting them. They can also be finicky eaters and > are > > relatively hard to keep healthy, another mark against them. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Leanna > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:14 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] powder blue dwarf grami > > > > > > hi its anna again, > > > > > > i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my > > 10gallon > > > i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass cat be > > ok?? > > > thanks much > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35186	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the public. FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and hardware. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing things > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or relatives > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a person's > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has a > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like Logmein.com so I > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out in the > streets. > > Fish... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Bill, > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to have > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and effect the > fixes. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > phone \\Steve//? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > (or > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my > > services to you long ago. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > can > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > among > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > out > > > of a hat. > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > its > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > > > replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35187	From: amsterbaum	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence

I usually turn off the filter during PWC's to prevent excess air from entering the system, which makes a racket and takes a long time to re- equilibrate. Unfortunately, this allowed one of the platies to swim into the filter output nozzle during the split second when the water was at just the right level. There are only two fish in the tank, and I try to keep an eye on both of them during the process, but I must have blinked. When I realized one was missing, I couldn't figure out any other way of extricating her besides turning the system back on - she was expelled, but it wasn't pretty. So, now one of my daughter's pets is dead, and it's at least mostly my fault. We nursed this fish successfully through two illnesses over the past six weeks, and were looking forward to enjoying a long, satisfying experience with our now-healthy aquarium friends. Well, we still have one fish, and I don't want to let this happen again. Obviously, I should leave the filter on during cleaning to keep the water flowing in the right direction in the tube, regardless of the air intake. Any other ideas? It's a biocube with built-in water intake openings at bottom and top leading to the filter system, with a water uplift tube at the end of the system leading to an outflow nozzle near the top of the tank.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35188	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

WHAT???? Have you been watching too many of them dumbed down Apple commercials? LOL I have Vista Home Premium on my newest laptop and haven't had any disappointments so far. It's nothing to jump-for-joy over, compared to XP Home or Pro, but it's not problematic either. BTW.. I got this HP Pavillion dvd6000 laptop, AMD Turion 64x2, 3 Gigs RAM, 60 Gig HD, etc.... for $549.00 at my local WalMart SuperCenter back in the summer of '08. Added Comodo Internet Security (Free Firewall and AV) and a few other freebie anti-malware programs as backups (SpywareBlaster, Spybot, it came with Windows Defender) and it's been running without problems for the past six months. The only initial problem that I had was when installing Spybot, I had to go to the Start Menu properties for Spybot and put a check mark in the "running as an administrator" to make Spybot install and work properly. I guess for beginners, the UAC security feature can be a pain but any new OS is a pain to beginners. ;-) Fish! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the public. FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and hardware. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing things > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or relatives > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a person's > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has a > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like Logmein.com so I > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out in the > streets. > > Fish... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Bill, > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to have > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and effect the > fixes. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > phone \\Steve//? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > (or > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my > > services to you long ago. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > can > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > among > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > out > > > of a hat. > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > its > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > > > replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35189	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence

Which model BioCube do you have? This page on the manufacturers website, http://www.oceanicsystems.com/products/biocube.php# Shows filter screens over the openings. Are your filter screens missing? They look like they are molded in. Oops... just realized you said it swam into the output nozzle. Well, Oceanic doesn't show this in their series of pictures, so I did a Google. Does this picture accurately show the discharge nozzle in your BioCube? http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/reef_dude76/Biocube3.jpg This thread http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t118512.html shows where some folks replace that nozzle with a 6" section of Loc-line http://www.loc-line.com/products/index.html which allows for directional flow and different nozzle options... not for the same reason as you are considering but it would still work and you could just twist the Loc-line with your current nozzle up out of the water as soon as you turn off the filter. You could use less than 6" if available. You'll see part 17 looks like your current nozzle if it's like that in the above picture. Your other option would simply be placing a piece of cloth in the nozzle when you turn off the filter. I think that was a fluke for this accident to have happened but the above should certainly prevent a future occurrence. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amsterbaum Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence I usually turn off the filter during PWC's to prevent excess air from entering the system, which makes a racket and takes a long time to re- equilibrate. Unfortunately, this allowed one of the platies to swim into the filter output nozzle during the split second when the water was at just the right level. There are only two fish in the tank, and I try to keep an eye on both of them during the process, but I must have blinked. When I realized one was missing, I couldn't figure out any other way of extricating her besides turning the system back on - she was expelled, but it wasn't pretty. So, now one of my daughter's pets is dead, and it's at least mostly my fault. We nursed this fish successfully through two illnesses over the past six weeks, and were looking forward to enjoying a long, satisfying experience with our now-healthy aquarium friends. Well, we still have one fish, and I don't want to let this happen again. Obviously, I should leave the filter on during cleaning to keep the water flowing in the right direction in the tube, regardless of the air intake. Any other ideas? It's a biocube with built-in water intake openings at bottom and top leading to the filter system, with a water uplift tube at the end of the system leading to an outflow nozzle near the top of the tank. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35190	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple guppies is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... profit orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him I would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention I was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank bred" fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder license, LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they were told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the salt water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then turned around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated that he didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had fish that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he got a very good deal on her fish). So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably 5 dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and then some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for 12.99 and the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've ever seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with just a few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish like the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but they're so spendy. I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi hadn't passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get more they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. Also the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), I now know much better, LOL. Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring patterns. I like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors to a point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do when they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I had figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami is easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and kind of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will be > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color > pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi > Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know that > his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in his > color pattern than what he is displaying. > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of > their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring > developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or > effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, > disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a 50% > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you > had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have developed > into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier one > didn't make it. > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your > two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is not > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such as > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be > noted that we are not talking about two different species here but > instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different > species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile hybrids > when it is accomplished, and most often being a > detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its > hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an improvement. > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color varieties of > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most better > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain to > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain is to > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual and > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or > later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to > loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would > preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as what > your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic > background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she may > be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, > such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish > and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi > strain down the line. > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had been a > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised together > as you would most probably have done, you should know that the > inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi > Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is the > INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with > the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents itself -- > WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish in. > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the point > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, > the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable from > many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still > quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on > this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp eggs > from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly from a > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings when > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you many > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > environment > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started > to > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > striped > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much > more > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like > the > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > all he > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > and > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > seem to > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the > top of > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one > of > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > Koi, > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > (since > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that > route, > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order > that > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > later > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > fully > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > severum is > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > getting > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > he's > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > preoccupied > > with the holidays lately. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > (lock- > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > your > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > gathered > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore > and > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > parents > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > these > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > least > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will > make > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you > may > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down > to > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally > to > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > divider > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation > and > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of > time > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > eaten > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not > the > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned > up > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > would > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have > the > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > clear > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > fish) > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they > want > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank > of > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the > Angel > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > pattern. > > > Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > about > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > answer > > > last > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > the > > > fish > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > another > > > batch > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one > > > female > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > > > each other > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > figured > > > something > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > and > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > kind it > > > is > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes > in > > > and is > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > > > out as he > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two > > > of them > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > likely is it > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > > > aquarium with > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it > > > might > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > afterall > > > it's a > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they > > > are both > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased > > > in size > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting > > > female > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > > more to > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > with eggs on > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that > > > be a bad > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35191	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

I agree about computers being like socks, LOL. I get computer withdrawls if mine is out of commission for awhile. As far as a comparison between Angel's and Ram's... My Angel's remind me of sharks, they lay in wait for their prey, I sometimes imagine the "Jaws themesong" playing when they're hunting for food or guarding their leaf. Apart from begging me for food and pruning their plants (I've had to move several to another tank because they eat them, LOL), they don't do much other than fight each other, chase other fish away from their leaf, and search the tank for food, but I do enjoy them very much, they add personality to the tank that's for sure. The Rams remind me of hummingbirds, they "flutter" all over the tank and hover above things they are interested in, with their fins moving really fast but their body staying still, much like a hummingbird. The rams spend their days searching the bottom of my tank for food and they seem to like my flame tetra's (similar body shape/size/coloring maybe?) so they sometimes join my tetra's in chasing/play. One thing I really like about the blue rams is that they have a bright blue line on their bottom lips and it reflects the light really well so when they're begging for food they're very flashy while they do so, hehe. My Rams so far seem pretty docile, and they are a mostly bottom dwelling fish, though they do come up to the top of the tank and play there when I walk by, hoping for food, LOL. But then again when I walk by EVERY fish in my 125 gallon tank is at the top, except the female betta, she's usually hiding in a decoration somewhere, I swear she naps a lot, but then she looks like an old female, she's fully grown and her coloring seems to be fading just a bit. They definitely recognize me as the food giver though ;) Hope that you find your rams some day Bill, I definitely love watching mine, they're one of my favorites in my tank. Amber bill1433 wrote: > With all due respect my friend, I don’t think that anything could replace > those rams right now! The reason, like most things with me, is simple. No knowledge of them plus their compact size. Angels are not really that demanding and are beautiful to watch swimming, they are very graceful. Their swimming habits always reminded me more of gliding through the water rather than actual swimming. But to do them any justice at all, a 55-gallon tank or better is needed. The more room you give these fish the more you can enjoy them because they will respond in kind and are well worth the effort and cost of a larger tank > > I’ve had both Angels and Discus at one time or another and most of the other common Cichlids as well. Including Firemouths, and Oscars and with all I can say from my own personal observations; cichlids for the most part are really a “personality type” fish. Within a short time, even the shyest of them will become accustomed to your comings and goings and will start to appear at the top of the tank for food or treats. I had Oscars that were not content with this, and preferred to bang the glass cover on top of their tank and would continue to do so until they were fed! They thought this was funny. > > These days I just don’t have that much room. Another important point is that I have never had the opportunity to have Rams and it now seems that with the water parameters that I have, I can offer them perfect accommodations! At least this is what I’m hoping for, time will tell. > > On your ONGOING (you didn’t say that before, my impression was that the trouble was just a now and again type of thing) computer issues I can only bow my head and offer a few prayers because that thing is going to break down sooner or later. I can offer this one bit of advice. If you were ever thinking of a new one, you will not find a better time to spend the money than now. Sales are very plentiful at all the large chain stores, Target, Staples, Sears, and yes, Wally-World too! They are offering some great machines well under $500 dollars. If you should suddenly drop from our sight here on the ”net”; I will conclude that your machine has done to the “Great Above” and will risk a phone check to see how your making out. Think of it this way, computers are just like your socks, you can’t do without them for long! Especially in this weather! > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi Bill, Yes, your interest in Rams is well understood. I did > surprise me though, as I notice this interest in Angels which you've > never mentioned before. Granted, they both are members of the > Cichlid Family and do happen to share similar behaviors; from that > standpoint, what you gain in knowledge from one species can be > applied to the other to a good extent. Still, and I'm just going > back to my being taken a bit off guard by your curiousity in this > other species, even though the two species are related, they are > about as far apart as Angels would be to Oscars, which is what got me. > > If you are thinking down range towards Angelfish, that's great. I > know you must be well aware that they need much more room (than > Rams), but I'd be pleased to see you get into them; I know you'd find > no end of interest in them. > > I'm ALWAYS eager to read \\Steve's// posts, or anyone else's who has > as much knowledge. One can never learn enough, and there's always > room for a different slant on a subject -- or just further input on > the same way of doing things. I see in this case, he got back to you > while I was still typing, when I had thought I'd post to you while > you awaited his response. I never said I was fast at typing (lol). > > As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's// > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. > > Now, back to Angelfish breeding -- Do you have a spare bedroom you > could set tanks up in (how about your present bedroom, I'm sure your > wife wouldn't mind, LOL). What about the Living Room?, Basement?, > Garage?, Kitchen? LOL. > > I would like to see you get involved with these fish as I know you'd > enjoy them -- almost as much (maybe more?) as Rams. Later, Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > >> Hi Ray! >> >> Just thinking down range a bit. While it's true I have no interest >> > in Angles at > >> the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do >> > represent > >> an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue >> > Ram". I don't think I need go any further on that point, as I know > that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. > >> >> Also, we cannot discount \\Steve's // over all knowledge, and if >> > there is a chance too seek > >> addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, >> > or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two > from "this inquiring mind". > >> >> Happy New Year To You Too! I understand from previous postings >> > that the computer is giving you "fits" again? > >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: >> >> From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, >> and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw >> this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost >> daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more >> effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, >> although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing >> the info at this time. >> >> While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main >> purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is >> to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching >> > the > >> fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it >> to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most >> protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep >> it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as >> > an > >> egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any >> infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other >> eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. >> Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a >> minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing >> > eggs. > >> The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary >> from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for >> > them, > >> depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/ >> > uses > >> from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which >> is "overkill" and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too >> depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago >> as up to 10%. >> >> There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what >> > I > >> see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring >> their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength >> has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found >> > that > >> about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon >> recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 >> drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. >> >> "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing >> > PWC's > >> if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and >> then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude >> fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile >> eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry >> separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no >> bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in >> the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and >> > will > >> be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will >> have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required >> during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, >> its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> >> > wrote: > >>> Hi \\Steve// >>> >>> Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? >>> First, how much per gallon? >>> Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the >>> > methylene > >> blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? >> >>> For how long? >>> >>> Happy New Year To You! >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@> wrote: >>> >>> From: Steve Szabo <steve@> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several >>> >> times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar >> of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish >> in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had >> > a > >> feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by >> the parents. >> >>> If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the >>> > two > >> of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the >> appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed >> > plants > >> (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, >> > and > >> cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the >> filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs >> stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to >> > another > >> tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically >> > placed > >> to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. >> >>> \\Steve// >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >>>> >> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of >> >>>> Amber Berglund >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM >>>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>>> >>>> Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything >>>> > about > >>>> breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. >>>> Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an >>>> > answer > >> last >> >>>> night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of >>>> >> the fish >> >>>> had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for >>>> >> another batch >> >>>> later or something. >>>> >>>> Amber >>>> >>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>> >>>>> I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with >>>>> >> one female >> >>>>> that's been popping out babies. >>>>> >>>>> Amber >>>>> >>>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like >>>>>> >> each other >> >>>>>> recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I >>>>>> > figured > >> something >> >>>>>> was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what >>>>>> > kind > >> it is >> >>>>>> precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes >>>>>> > in > >> and is >> >>>>>> apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud >>>>>> > coming > >> out as he >> >>>>>> hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the >>>>>> >> two of them >> >>>>>> are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how >>>>>> >> likely is it >> >>>>>> for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive >>>>>> >> aquarium with >> >>>>>> a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if >>>>>> >> it might >> >>>>>> help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, >>>>>> >> afterall it's a >> >>>>>> 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that >>>>>> >> they are both >> >>>>>> very happy in their environment. All of the fish have >>>>>> >> increased in size >> >>>>>> and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. >>>>>> I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an >>>>>> >> expecting female >> >>>>>> (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are >>>>>> >> more to >> >>>>>> come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf >>>>>> >> with eggs on >> >>>>>> it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would >>>>>> >> that be a bad >> >>>>>> idea? >>>>>> >>>>>> Amber >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>>> >>>> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >>>> >> Thank You.. >> >>>> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> >>>> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > >> ((((º> >> >>>> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >>>> >> important to the reply & if >> >>>> CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >>>> >> LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35192	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but Vista?  Just glad your enjoying it. To me, it goes to what your doing with the machine.  As \\Steve// just pointed out in another message. You can still get machines from Dell loaded with WinXP/sp3.  Now I wonder why that is?   Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 3:13 PM WHAT???? Have you been watching too many of them dumbed down Apple commercials? LOL I have Vista Home Premium on my newest laptop and haven't had any disappointments so far. It's nothing to jump-for-joy over, compared to XP Home or Pro, but it's not problematic either. BTW.. I got this HP Pavillion dvd6000 laptop, AMD Turion 64x2, 3 Gigs RAM, 60 Gig HD, etc.... for $549.00 at my local WalMart SuperCenter back in the summer of '08. Added Comodo Internet Security (Free Firewall and AV) and a few other freebie anti-malware programs as backups (SpywareBlaster, Spybot, it came with Windows Defender) and it's been running without problems for the past six months. The only initial problem that I had was when installing Spybot, I had to go to the Start Menu properties for Spybot and put a check mark in the "running as an administrator" to make Spybot install and work properly. I guess for beginners, the UAC security feature can be a pain but any new OS is a pain to beginners. ;-) Fish! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:57 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the public. FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and hardware.. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing things > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or relatives > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a person's > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has a > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like Logmein.com so I > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out in the > streets. > > Fish... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Bill, > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to have > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and effect the > fixes. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > phone \\Steve//? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote: > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > (or > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered my > > services to you long ago. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them for > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate the > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first thing > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every day. > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > can > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > among > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > out > > > of a hat. > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy can > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around a > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if it > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > its > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global warming/climate > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your > > > replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><( (((:>.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8><((( (:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><(( ((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8<:((( (><8.74/` 7.8. , .74/`7..<:(( ((><74/`7. 88. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35193	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

I have Vista - and I think it is a piece of fish dung! incompatible with some expensive software I have, loaded the first service pack and it messed up my monitor - still have not had time or the will to figure it out yet. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:47 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but Vista? Just glad your > enjoying it. > To me, it goes to what your doing with the machine. As \\Steve// just > pointed out in another message. > You can still get machines from Dell loaded with WinXP/sp3. > Now I wonder why that is? > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 3:13 PM > > > WHAT???? Have you been watching too many of them dumbed down Apple > commercials? LOL > > I have Vista Home Premium on my newest laptop and haven't had any > disappointments so far. It's nothing to jump-for-joy over, compared to XP > Home or Pro, but it's not problematic either. > > BTW.. I got this HP Pavillion dvd6000 laptop, AMD Turion 64x2, 3 Gigs RAM, > 60 Gig HD, etc.... for $549.00 at my local WalMart SuperCenter back in the > summer of '08. Added Comodo Internet Security (Free Firewall and AV) and a > few other freebie anti-malware programs as backups (SpywareBlaster, Spybot, > it came with Windows Defender) and it's been running without problems for > the past six months. > > The only initial problem that I had was when installing Spybot, I had to go > to the Start Menu properties for Spybot and put a check mark in the > "running > as an administrator" to make Spybot install and work properly. I guess for > beginners, the UAC security feature can be a pain but any new OS is a pain > to beginners. ;-) > > Fish! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. > He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an > Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the > machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on > site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look > for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine > can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come > with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the > public. > > FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and > hardware.. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing > things > > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or > relatives > > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a > person's > > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has > a > > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like > Logmein.com so I > > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out > in the > > streets. > > > > Fish... LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > Bill, > > > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to > have > > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and > effect the > > fixes. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > > phone \\Steve//? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > > (or > > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered > my > > > services to you long ago. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > > yahoogroups. com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them > for > > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate > the > > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first > thing > > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every > day. > > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > > can > > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > > among > > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > > out > > > > of a hat. > > > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy > can > > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around > a > > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if > it > > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like > > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > > its > > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global > warming/climate > > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > > feature. > > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your > > > > replies, > > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > 74/`7.88.><( (((:>.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8><((( (:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><(( > ((:> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <:((((><.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8<:((( (><8.74/` 7.8. , .74/`7..<:(( ((><74/`7. > 88. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

That's pretty much normal for a LFS to only pay you half of what they are going to sell the fish for.. and that's in store credit. If you get half in cash, then you're doing really good. Half in store credit really only "costs" the store 25% since when you buy something, they already have it marked up 100%... but at $5.00 an angelfish juvi, you could sustain your hobby without it costing you a pec and a caud (arm and leg..lol) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple guppies is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... profit orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him I would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention I was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank bred" fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder license, LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they were told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the salt water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then turned around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated that he didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had fish that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he got a very good deal on her fish). So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably 5 dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and then some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for 12.99 and the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've ever seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with just a few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish like the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but they're so spendy. I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi hadn't passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get more they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. Also the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), I now know much better, LOL. Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring patterns. I like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors to a point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do when they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I had figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami is easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and kind of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will be > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color pattern > can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi Angel will > not develop any more black spots, but you should know that his genes > may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in his color > pattern than what he is displaying. > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of their > color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring developed into > such a strain either overshadows (hides) or effectively eliminates the > natural coloration's chromatophores, disabling the fish's skin's > ability to change toning/shading. > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a 50% > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you had > an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have developed into > males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier one didn't > make it. > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your two > present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is not > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such as > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be noted > that we are not talking about two different species here but instead > ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different species is to > be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile hybrids when it is > accomplished, and most often being a detraction/depreciation of the > two different species involved (its hard to improve on mother nature), > rather than being an improvement. > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color varieties of > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most better > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain to > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain is to > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual and > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or later > though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to loss > fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would preferably be > to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as what your female is! > Without knowing your female Angel's genetic background though, I have > no way of knowing what other genes she may be carrying (if part of her > genetic make-up is different). Still, such a "cross" as you are > referring to, with your silver Angelfish and Koi, would be preferable > to any other in maintaining the Koi strain down the line. > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had been a > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised together as > you would most probably have done, you should know that the inevitable > outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi Angelfish would have > paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is the INNATE INSTINCT for any > Angelfish to preferably first pair up with the WILD-TYPE Angelfish > whenever that opportunity presents itself -- WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish in. > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the point > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, the > best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable from many > established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still quite > available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on this > whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp eggs from a > LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly from a > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings when > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you many > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > environment > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started > to > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > striped > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much > more > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like > the > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > all he > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > and > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > seem to > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the > top of > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one > of > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > Koi, > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > (since > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that > route, > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order > that > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > later > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > fully > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > severum is > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > getting > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > he's > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > preoccupied > > with the holidays lately. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > (lock- > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > your > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > gathered > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore > and > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > parents > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > these > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > least > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will > make > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you > may > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down > to > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally > to > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > divider > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation > and > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of > time > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > eaten > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not > the > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned > up > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > would > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have > the > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > clear > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > fish) > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they > want > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank > of > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the > Angel > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > pattern. > > > Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > about > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > answer > > > last > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > the > > > fish > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > another > > > batch > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > one > > > female > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > > > each other > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > figured > > > something > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > and > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > kind it > > > is > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes > in > > > and is > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > > > out as he > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > two > > > of them > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > likely is it > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive > > > aquarium with > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > it > > > might > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > afterall > > > it's a > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > they > > > are both > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > increased > > > in size > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > expecting > > > female > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > > more to > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > with eggs on > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > that > > > be a bad > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35195	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Thanks Amber, � I did find the Rams with the help of another member here Pam Andress.� Pam told me about this seller from Aquabid and when contacted we made a connection.� Setting up a bigger tank for them now and they should hopefully be here by months end.� Will keep the list posted. � Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 3:29 PM I agree about computers being like socks, LOL. I get computer withdrawls if mine is out of commission for awhile. As far as a comparison between Angel's and Ram's... My Angel's remind me of sharks, they lay in wait for their prey, I sometimes imagine the "Jaws themesong" playing when they're hunting for food or guarding their leaf. Apart from begging me for food and pruning their plants (I've had to move several to another tank because they eat them, LOL), they don't do much other than fight each other, chase other fish away from their leaf, and search the tank for food, but I do enjoy them very much, they add personality to the tank that's for sure. The Rams remind me of hummingbirds, they "flutter" all over the tank and hover above things they are interested in, with their fins moving really fast but their body staying still, much like a hummingbird. The rams spend their days searching the bottom of my tank for food and they seem to like my flame tetra's (similar body shape/size/coloring maybe?) so they sometimes join my tetra's in chasing/play. One thing I really like about the blue rams is that they have a bright blue line on their bottom lips and it reflects the light really well so when they're begging for food they're very flashy while they do so, hehe. My Rams so far seem pretty docile, and they are a mostly bottom dwelling fish, though they do come up to the top of the tank and play there when I walk by, hoping for food, LOL. But then again when I walk by EVERY fish in my 125 gallon tank is at the top, except the female betta, she's usually hiding in a decoration somewhere, I swear she naps a lot, but then she looks like an old female, she's fully grown and her coloring seems to be fading just a bit. They definitely recognize me as the food giver though ;) Hope that you find your rams some day Bill, I definitely love watching mine, they're one of my favorites in my tank. Amber bill1433 wrote: > With all due respect my friend, I don�t think that anything could replace > those rams right now! The reason, like most things with me, is simple. No knowledge of them plus their compact size. Angels are not really that demanding and are beautiful to watch swimming, they are very graceful. Their swimming habits always reminded me more of gliding through the water rather than actual swimming. But to do them any justice at all, a 55-gallon tank or better is needed. The more room you give these fish the more you can enjoy them because they will respond in kind and are well worth the effort and cost of a larger tank > > I�ve had both Angels and Discus at one time or another and most of the other common Cichlids as well. Including Firemouths, and Oscars and with all I can say from my own personal observations; cichlids for the most part are really a �personality type� fish. Within a short time, even the shyest of them will become accustomed to your comings and goings and will start to appear at the top of the tank for food or treats. I had Oscars that were not content with this, and preferred to bang the glass cover on top of their tank and would continue to do so until they were fed! They thought this was funny. > > These days I just don�t have that much room. Another important point is that I have never had the opportunity to have Rams and it now seems that with the water parameters that I have, I can offer them perfect accommodations! At least this is what I�m hoping for, time will tell. > > On your ONGOING (you didn�t say that before, my impression was that the trouble was just a now and again type of thing) computer issues I can only bow my head and offer a few prayers because that thing is going to break down sooner or later. I can offer this one bit of advice. If you were ever thinking of a new one, you will not find a better time to spend the money than now. Sales are very plentiful at all the large chain stores, Target, Staples, Sears, and yes, Wally-World too! They are offering some great machines well under $500 dollars. If you should suddenly drop from our sight here on the �net�; I will conclude that your machine has done to the �Great Above� and will risk a phone check to see how your making out. Think of it this way, computers are just like your socks, you can�t do without them for long! Especially in this weather! > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi Bill, Yes, your interest in Rams is well understood. I did > surprise me though, as I notice this interest in Angels which you've > never mentioned before. Granted, they both are members of the > Cichlid Family and do happen to share similar behaviors; from that > standpoint, what you gain in knowledge from one species can be > applied to the other to a good extent. Still, and I'm just going > back to my being taken a bit off guard by your curiousity in this > other species, even though the two species are related, they are > about as far apart as Angels would be to Oscars, which is what got me. > > If you are thinking down range towards Angelfish, that's great. I > know you must be well aware that they need much more room (than > Rams), but I'd be pleased to see you get into them; I know you'd find > no end of interest in them. > > I'm ALWAYS eager to read \\Steve's// posts, or anyone else's who has > as much knowledge. One can never learn enough, and there's always > room for a different slant on a subject -- or just further input on > the same way of doing things. I see in this case, he got back to you > while I was still typing, when I had thought I'd post to you while > you awaited his response. I never said I was fast at typing (lol). > > As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's// > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. > > Now, back to Angelfish breeding -- Do you have a spare bedroom you > could set tanks up in (how about your present bedroom, I'm sure your > wife wouldn't mind, LOL). What about the Living Room?, Basement?, > Garage?, Kitchen? LOL. > > I would like to see you get involved with these fish as I know you'd > enjoy them -- almost as much (maybe more?) as Rams. Later, Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > >> Hi Ray! >> >> Just thinking down range a bit. While it's true I have no interest >> > in Angles at > >> the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do >> > represent > >> an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue >> > Ram". I don't think I need go any further on that point, as I know > that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. > >> >> Also, we cannot discount \\Steve's // over all knowledge, and if >> > there is a chance too seek > >> addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, >> > or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two > from "this inquiring mind". > >> >> Happy New Year To You Too! I understand from previous postings >> > that the computer is giving you "fits" again? > >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: >> >> From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Bill, Noticed you're directing these two questions to \\Steve//, >> and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I'd throw >> this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost >> daily -- until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more >> effective. I wasn't aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, >> although such topics can be interesting even if you're not needing >> the info at this time. >> >> While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main >> purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is >> to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching >> > the > >> fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it >> to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most >> protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep >> it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as >> > an > >> egg funguscide -- but while this is mainly to prevent any >> infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other >> eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. >> Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a >> minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing >> > eggs. > >> The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary >> from breeder to breeder as they find what's most effective for >> > them, > >> depending in part upon their water. You'll find recommendations/ >> > uses > >> from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which >> is "overkill" and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too >> depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago >> as up to 10%. >> >> There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what >> > I > >> see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring >> their product simply as "Methylene Blue." Their solution strength >> has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I've found >> > that > >> about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon >> recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 >> drops per 10 gallons -- or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. >> >> "Assuming regular water changes;" You would only be performing >> > PWC's > >> if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and >> then, it is redundant to do so as the parents' care will preclude >> fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile >> eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry >> separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC's as there is no >> bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in >> the time needed for the eggs to hatch -- 3 days, @ 80 o F -- and >> > will > >> be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will >> have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required >> during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, >> its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ....> >> > wrote: > >>> Hi \\Steve// >>> >>> Questions here about the "methylene blue added" ? >>> First, how much per gallon? >>> Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the >>> > methylene > >> blue to the PWC'sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? >> >>> For how long? >>> >>> Happy New Year To You! >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo <steve@> wrote: >>> >>> From: Steve Szabo <steve@> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several >>> >> times, before they get it "right" and understand that making caviar >> of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish >> in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had >> > a > >> feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by >> the parents. >> >>> If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the >>> > two > >> of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the >> appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed >> > plants > >> (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, >> > and > >> cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the >> filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs >> stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to >> > another > >> tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically >> > placed > >> to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. >> >>> \\Steve// >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >>>> >> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of >> >>>> Amber Berglund >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM >>>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>>> >>>> Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything >>>> > about > >>>> breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. >>>> Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an >>>> > answer > >> last >> >>>> night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of >>>> >> the fish >> >>>> had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for >>>> >> another batch >> >>>> later or something. >>>> >>>> Amber >>>> >>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>> >>>>> I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with >>>>> >> one female >> >>>>> that's been popping out babies. >>>>> >>>>> Amber >>>>> >>>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like >>>>>> >> each other >> >>>>>> recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I >>>>>> > figured > >> something >> >>>>>> was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what >>>>>> > kind > >> it is >> >>>>>> precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes >>>>>> > in > >> and is >> >>>>>> apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud >>>>>> > coming > >> out as he >> >>>>>> hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the >>>>>> >> two of them >> >>>>>> are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how >>>>>> >> likely is it >> >>>>>> for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive >>>>>> >> aquarium with >> >>>>>> a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if >>>>>> >> it might >> >>>>>> help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, >>>>>> >> afterall it's a >> >>>>>> 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that >>>>>> >> they are both >> >>>>>> very happy in their environment. All of the fish have >>>>>> >> increased in size >> >>>>>> and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. >>>>>> I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an >>>>>> >> expecting female >> >>>>>> (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are >>>>>> >> more to >> >>>>>> come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf >>>>>> >> with eggs on >> >>>>>> it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would >>>>>> >> that be a bad >> >>>>>> idea? >>>>>> >>>>>> Amber >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>>> >>>> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >>>> >> Thank You.. >> >>>> ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> >>>> > �.���`�.�. , .���`�..>< > >> ((((�> >> >>>> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >>>> >> important to the reply & if >> >>>> CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >>>> >> LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35196	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Ram difficulties!!!!!

I bought a trio of rams, 1 male and 2 females, about 2 months ago. They are healthy, the health of the fish is not the issue. The issue is they have spawned twice in about a months time, and yet have produced no babies. The first spawning did actually produce babies but, they all died. Now they have spawned again and I want to get to these fry before they come to the same fate as the others. Should I leave them with the parents or should I intervene? I you guys suggest intervene how do I go about doing so? I thought that cichlids were good parents.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35197	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Oh, you mean those machines that are not affected by malware, yet more of them are infected each day? We have a business critical application that will not run under Vista. There are many older peripherals that will not run under Vista, often because the manufacturers have not written drivers for them. And if you go to 64-bit Vista, you'll have even more fun with peripherals. Keep in mind that my business deals mostly with businesses, small businesses. For many of them, this means that the only upgrade path is to get a new machine to even run Vista. They then need to replace peripherals that will not work with Vista. They may then need to replace apps that no longer work properly--even Office 2003 can have problems running under Vista, depending on what is used. Such an upgrade path can mean the difference between profit and loss for a small business. Also, FWIW, there are very few successful upgrades done in place from XP versions to Vista versions. One really needs to do a bare metal install. Prior to doing so, one needs to ensure that the proper drivers are available for Vista, which is often not the case for even machines 2 years old. In such cases, an upgrade will essentially fail, since one may not be able to properly communicate with the outside world if the drivers are not available. I have heard the argument that there were driver issues with XP at the beginning, and there were. However, over a relatively short period of time, these issues were resolved (though if you were affected, any period of time is not short). That has not been the case with Vista. What we have no, pretty much, is two OS's, one for the consumer user, and the other for business users. Yes, some companies run Vista machine, but not many, and MS is not likely to get much deeper penetration into the business market with Vista than it has now, according to surveys. This had led MS to, yet again, extend the availability of XP Pro. So, yes, Virginia, there are still new machines available with XP loaded. You just will not find them at retail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > WHAT???? Have you been watching too many of them dumbed down Apple > commercials? LOL > > I have Vista Home Premium on my newest laptop and haven't had any > disappointments so far. It's nothing to jump-for-joy over, compared to XP > Home or Pro, but it's not problematic either. > > BTW.. I got this HP Pavillion dvd6000 laptop, AMD Turion 64x2, 3 Gigs RAM, > 60 Gig HD, etc.... for $549.00 at my local WalMart SuperCenter back in the > summer of '08. Added Comodo Internet Security (Free Firewall and AV) and a > few other freebie anti-malware programs as backups (SpywareBlaster, Spybot, > it came with Windows Defender) and it's been running without problems for > the past six months. > > The only initial problem that I had was when installing Spybot, I had to go > to the Start Menu properties for Spybot and put a check mark in the "running > as an administrator" to make Spybot install and work properly. I guess for > beginners, the UAC security feature can be a pain but any new OS is a pain > to beginners. ;-) > > Fish! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. > He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an > Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the > machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on > site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look > for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine > can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come > with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the > public. > > FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and hardware. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing > things > > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or > relatives > > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a > person's > > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has > a > > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like > Logmein.com so I > > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out > in the > > streets. > > > > Fish... LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > Bill, > > > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to > have > > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and > effect the > > fixes. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > > phone \\Steve//? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > > (or > > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered > my > > > services to you long ago. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them > for > > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate > the > > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first > thing > > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every > day. > > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > > can > > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > > among > > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > > out > > > > of a hat. > > > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy > can > > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around > a > > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if > it > > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. > ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like > > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > > its > > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global > warming/climate > > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > > feature. > > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your > > > > replies, > > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3733 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35198	From: Darlene	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Q: Oranda fry food

well i don't think i will have to worry about any of the eggs hatching that the Orandas laid, the cory seems to think they are real good .... just as well since i am really not set up for more fish at this time Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwydryn@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q: Oranda fry food In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:28:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, amazonbirds@... writes: if the eggs laid are fertile and if the eggs hatch and some of the fry survive. what do i need to feed them ? i will got out to the store and get some food for them later today :) Darlene I have bred goldies before (circa 1986). Here's what I did; Adults laid eggs in artificial plant and I had set up a 30 gal 3/4 of the way full and had no clue what I was going to put in. It was close enough to a window and the water turned green. So I decided to move the spawn in there. (the water was from the goldfish tank and there was a sponge filter in place). Three days later I had hundreds of what looked like pieces of string with eyes hanging from the sides of the glass. I went for the easy homemade deal; boil a chicken egg, all you want is the yolk, take a pinch of said yolk and put in a one ounce container with tank water. Shake it good and feed them that at three days old (you want them free swimming, as long as they dont swim they still have embrionic egg yolk) for the fist week, twice a day. After the first week of feeding they can graduate to powdered fish food. A huge number of the fry will be deformed, you have to cull constantly. You have to do A LOT of PWC. We are talking hundreds if not over a thousand fry. Using an air hose I would vacuum the bare bottom after feeding to remove uneaten food + poop. DO NOT use a regular sized hose to do your partial because the fry will get sucked. You are enslaved to using the air hose until they get some size and get some sense in getting away from the hose. Let me tell you it took a lot of time and dedication. Once they reach 1/4 of an inch you NEED to find homes, separate further, fill every container you can find and if need be, take over the garage and put the largest wading pool you can find in there for them. If you are lucky very few will make it...otherwise your friends and family will decides you went off the deep end and need to be sent to the asilum. I ended up with more than 100 fry, but got lucky and many people wanted a baby goldie because they all knew how big mine were. I'm old school and make my own food whenever I can. Trust me, you dont need to buy fry food for goldfish babies. Suspended egg yolk will do. After that grind up any high quality goldfish pellets until they get some size to them. Then get a gel recipe from the many that were posted and go from there. Enid **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35199	From: William	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Most store will triple the cost of what they buy the fish for. It is common practice so that they can make some kind of profit so that they can stay in business.Up here the small angelfish (quarter size) will run up to $10.00 each and full grown ones go for up to $30.00 each.If yo really wish to make some good money with angelfish then breed some of the fancier ones that they cannot find in the wholesale shop.I am talking about some such as the half black that are not just colored like zebra angelfish, but good zebra angelfish can be good also.In my opinion the three hardiest angelfish are the silver, gold and marble angelfish. If you are raising angelfish (or any other type of fish) no one says that you have to have an aquarium to raise them in but yo may be able to use kiddy wadding pools or storage containers. These are larger than the small ten and twenty gallon tanks but cost lots less.I remember one person that was using claw foot bath tubs to raise angelfish, they made sure to paint the inside of the tub a dark color so that the fish would not wind up just whit as the tub. They were easy to change water by letting water out through the drain.I have even saw people use stock watering troughs for raising angelfish. Don't think that yo have to have glass aquariums to raise fish, after all in Florida they use ponds to raise their fish. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > That's pretty much normal for a LFS to only pay you half of what they are > going to sell the fish for.. and that's in store credit. If you get half in > cash, then you're doing really good. Half in store credit really only > "costs" the store 25% since when you buy something, they already have it > marked up 100%... but at $5.00 an angelfish juvi, you could sustain your > hobby without it costing you a pec and a caud (arm and leg..lol) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > > The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple guppies is > because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... profit orientated > only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him I would have to > basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention I was told by someone > in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank bred" > fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder license, LOL. I > looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they were told! > Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they don't want to > do business with someone in town. They bought all the salt water fish from > the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then turned around and resold > them (she was very upset since she stipulated that he didn't resell them, > LOL right like that would happen, but she had fish that were easily worth a > hundred dollars just by themselves so he got a very good deal on her fish). > So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably 5 > dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and then some). > He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for 12.99 and the Koi > are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've ever seen any of > his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good portion of the fish he > has for sale are in the 10-20 range with just a few smaller fish under 10 > dollars, and a few more expensive fish like the synodontis that are 35 each, > which I considered getting one but they're so spendy. > I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi hadn't passed > on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get more they can > gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. Also the LFS owner > suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), I now know much better, > LOL. > Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are attracted > to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring patterns. I like the fact > that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors to a point, and prefer > the wild Angel over my other, LOL. > Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do when > they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's lips, > this started right before they started the egg laying, so I had figured that > I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami is easily the most > aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the severum away and stands > up to the angel's (by turning sideways and kind of wiggling at them like "I > dare ya" LOL). > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will be > > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color pattern > > can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi Angel will > > not develop any more black spots, but you should know that his genes > > may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in his color > > pattern than what he is displaying. > > > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of their > > color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring developed into > > such a strain either overshadows (hides) or effectively eliminates the > > natural coloration's chromatophores, disabling the fish's skin's > > ability to change toning/shading. > > > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a 50% > > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you had > > an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have developed into > > males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier one didn't > > make it. > > > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your two > > present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is not > > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such as > > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be noted > > that we are not talking about two different species here but instead > > ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different species is to > > be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile hybrids when it is > > accomplished, and most often being a detraction/depreciation of the > > two different species involved (its hard to improve on mother nature), > > rather than being an improvement. > > > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color varieties of > > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most better > > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain to > > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain is to > > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual and > > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or later > > though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to loss > > fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would preferably be > > to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as what your female is! > > Without knowing your female Angel's genetic background though, I have > > no way of knowing what other genes she may be carrying (if part of her > > genetic make-up is different). Still, such a "cross" as you are > > referring to, with your silver Angelfish and Koi, would be preferable > > to any other in maintaining the Koi strain down the line. > > > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had been a > > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised together as > > you would most probably have done, you should know that the inevitable > > outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi Angelfish would have > > paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is the INNATE INSTINCT for any > > Angelfish to preferably first pair up with the WILD-TYPE Angelfish > > whenever that opportunity presents itself -- WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish in. > > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the point > > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, the > > best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable from many > > established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still quite > > available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on this > > whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp eggs from a > > LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly from a > > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings when > > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you many > > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > > environment > > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started > > to > > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > > striped > > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much > > more > > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back > > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like > > the > > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see > > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > > all he > > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > > and > > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > > seem to > > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the > > top of > > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one > > of > > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > > Koi, > > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to > > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > > (since > > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that > > route, > > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order > > that > > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > > later > > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > > fully > > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > > severum is > > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > > getting > > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > > he's > > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. > > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > > preoccupied > > > with the holidays lately. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > > (lock- > > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > > your > > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > > gathered > > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore > > and > > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > > parents > > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > > these > > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > > least > > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will > > make > > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you > > may > > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down > > to > > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally > > to > > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > > divider > > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation > > and > > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of > > time > > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > > eaten > > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not > > the > > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned > > up > > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > > would > > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have > > the > > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > > clear > > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > > fish) > > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they > > want > > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank > > of > > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the > > Angel > > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > > pattern. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > > about > > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > > answer > > > > last > > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > > the > > > > fish > > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > another > > > > batch > > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > > one > > > > female > > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > > > > each other > > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > > figured > > > > something > > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > > and > > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > > kind it > > > > is > > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes > > in > > > > and is > > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > > > > out as he > > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > > two > > > > of them > > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > > likely is it > > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi- aggressive > > > > aquarium with > > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > > it > > > > might > > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > afterall > > > > it's a > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > > they > > > > are both > > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > > increased > > > > in size > > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > > expecting > > > > female > > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > > > more to > > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > > with eggs on > > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > > that > > > > be a bad > > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35200	From: bill1433	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Well Said!   Bill --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:21 PM Oh, you mean those machines that are not affected by malware, yet more of them are infected each day? We have a business critical application that will not run under Vista. There are many older peripherals that will not run under Vista, often because the manufacturers have not written drivers for them. And if you go to 64-bit Vista, you'll have even more fun with peripherals. Keep in mind that my business deals mostly with businesses, small businesses. For many of them, this means that the only upgrade path is to get a new machine to even run Vista. They then need to replace peripherals that will not work with Vista. They may then need to replace apps that no longer work properly--even Office 2003 can have problems running under Vista, depending on what is used. Such an upgrade path can mean the difference between profit and loss for a small business. Also, FWIW, there are very few successful upgrades done in place from XP versions to Vista versions. One really needs to do a bare metal install. Prior to doing so, one needs to ensure that the proper drivers are available for Vista, which is often not the case for even machines 2 years old. In such cases, an upgrade will essentially fail, since one may not be able to properly communicate with the outside world if the drivers are not available. I have heard the argument that there were driver issues with XP at the beginning, and there were. However, over a relatively short period of time, these issues were resolved (though if you were affected, any period of time is not short). That has not been the case with Vista. What we have no, pretty much, is two OS's, one for the consumer user, and the other for business users. Yes, some companies run Vista machine, but not many, and MS is not likely to get much deeper penetration into the business market with Vista than it has now, according to surveys. This had led MS to, yet again, extend the availability of XP Pro. So, yes, Virginia, there are still new machines available with XP loaded. You just will not find them at retail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > WHAT???? Have you been watching too many of them dumbed down Apple > commercials? LOL > > I have Vista Home Premium on my newest laptop and haven't had any > disappointments so far. It's nothing to jump-for-joy over, compared to XP > Home or Pro, but it's not problematic either. > > BTW.. I got this HP Pavillion dvd6000 laptop, AMD Turion 64x2, 3 Gigs RAM, > 60 Gig HD, etc.... for $549.00 at my local WalMart SuperCenter back in the > summer of '08. Added Comodo Internet Security (Free Firewall and AV) and a > few other freebie anti-malware programs as backups (SpywareBlaster, Spybot, > it came with Windows Defender) and it's been running without problems for > the past six months. > > The only initial problem that I had was when installing Spybot, I had to go > to the Start Menu properties for Spybot and put a check mark in the "running > as an administrator" to make Spybot install and work properly. I guess for > beginners, the UAC security feature can be a pain but any new OS is a pain > to beginners. ;-) > > Fish! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Remote access can be a risky route to take with Ray's apparent problems. > He reports that he loses his messages prior to sending. Whether this is an > Internet connection problem through his ISP, or related to something n the > machine remains to be discovered. This is why it is best to have someone on > site to diagnose and, maybe, fix the problem. The other option is to look > for a computer to replace his own machine right now. A decent home machine > can be had for about $600, and, if you look in the right places, will come > with XP Pro installed and not that god awful Vista being foisted upon the > public. > > FWIW, the worst of it is incompatibilities with older software and hardware. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > I concur. Trying to diagnose and repair a machine without seeing > things > > first hand gets tricky. I always just head over to a friends or > relatives > > when they call me rather than trying to fix things over the phone. > > > > Logmein.com or other similar free apps do allow techies to access a > person's > > computer for remote fixing if the frisky computer will allow the > > installation and there is internet access. Windows XP and up also has > a > > remote login program built in but I do not have experience with it. > > \\Steve// might offer more info on the Windows app. I like > Logmein.com so I > > can use my main desktop computer directly from my laptop when I'm out > in the > > streets. > > > > Fish... LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > Bill, > > > > With the problems he has reported, it would be way more efficient to > have > > eyes and other senses present to diagnose the problems he has and > effect the > > fixes. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:51 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > I was thinking the same thing but can't we conquer the distance by > > phone \\Steve//? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > You could probably grab one of the NJAS people to give you a hand in > > > either fixing your machine, or advising you in the purchase of a new > > (or > > > newer) one and getting it set up. If I was closer, I'd have offered > my > > > services to you long ago. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > > yahoogroups. com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:02 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > > > > > > > Harl, While I may know a few things about fish, having had them > for > > > > well over 60 years, computers are fairly new to me. I appreciate > the > > > > offer, but call me a computer dummy -- I don't know the first > thing > > > > about cut & paste, even though I suppose everyone does it every > day. > > > > I wasn't born with computer skills, never had them in school and > > > > while everyone else seems to know this stuff, I don't see where I > > can > > > > be expected to know even what might be considered by most to be > > among > > > > the simplest of operations as I've never learned how to pull them > > out > > > > of a hat. > > > > > > > > If the gmail site has all the instructions that a computer dummy > can > > > > easily understand without having to already know one's way around > a > > > > PC, then fine, please do send me a gmail invite -- especially if > it > > > > can be used while I type my replies on the group-site page. Many > > > > thanks, Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. > ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like > > > > > "still," or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case > > its > > > > > not "happily" <g>. Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > > > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> discussion on global > warming/climate > > > > > change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > > feature. > > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your > > > > replies, > > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3733 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35201	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

How thick would the plexi glass have to be to fit a 150 gallon tank (6' long) with no supports in the middle? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Plexiglass... where you can make custom cut-outs for your filters, etc. > This will also save you on water... in areas where water conservation is a > concern... since any evaporation would collect on the plexiglass and drip > back into the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35202	From: aquaticjoy@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY... SEE Y'ALL NEXT YEAR (Was RE: [Aquati

Happy New Year! Joy:) I will have to make a point to get my 100 gal salt tank started up again. All of you are so busy with this fun hobby that I have put on the self for awhile. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35203	From: Chris	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Leafy Sea Dragon Photo

Wow!!! Where is that Leafy Dragon from? He/She is beautiful. I have a fabulous shot from the NJ state Aquarium a few years back..... I love those things!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35204	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: escape proof hoods

Will there be any weight put on it? I have 1/4" on my 48" tank but I do have a middle support so it's two 18" by 24" panels. Why don't you have a middle support? Does your front and/or back glass bow out? I've seen them bow even on 48" glass tanks where the middle support had been removed or broken. Except for the "Rimless Tanks" (really thick glass), all of the 6' glass tanks at GlassCages.com have two braces for the ones they have pictures associated with the tank. http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 Is your front to back 18" or ??? If it's 72" x 18", you would probably need the 1/4" to minimize the sag in the middle... if you do not put stuff on it. If you do store light weight stuff (fish food containers, dechlor, etc... like me) on top of your cover, then you might want to first create a middle brace out of a piece of the plexiglass first just to keep it from sagging too much. A little sag is OK as it allows the evaporated water to condensate and then drip back into the tank faster... instead of just hanging around as drops on the plexiglass. Another thing you can do is drill a small finger hole in the panel(s) for lifting them and also for feeding the fish through the holes. ;-) A corner cut out also works although a slithery fish or snail trying to escape would be more likely to find that corner cut out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: escape proof hoods How thick would the plexi glass have to be to fit a 150 gallon tank (6' long) with no supports in the middle? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Plexiglass... where you can make custom cut-outs for your filters, etc. > This will also save you on water... in areas where water conservation is a > concern... since any evaporation would collect on the plexiglass and drip > back into the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35205	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leafy Sea Dragon Photo

Allegedly from South Australia... although I still think they were transplanted there from the Black Sea after being affected by Chernobyl run-off. ;-) http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall99Projects/seadragon.htm They really are from South Australia but they sure look like something affected by Chernobyl run-off. lol Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Leafy Sea Dragon Photo Wow!!! Where is that Leafy Dragon from? He/She is beautiful. I have a fabulous shot from the NJ state Aquarium a few years back..... I love those things!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35206	From: Leanna	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

its the Corydoras paleatus, and i would love to add more tetras but for some reason i cant keep them alive, i started with 5 and now i have 2 its only been a week, last time i got tetras(five also) they did in 3 days, so wile im doing bettter its stil not grate. i understand your overstocking worries, thats y i posted here. i wasent shure if that would be to much. thanks for the info --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > OK, cory with a p. > > Corydoras paleatus > Corydoras panda > Corydoras pantanelensis > Corydoras piragua > Corydoras parallelus > Corydoras pastazensis > Corydoras pastazensis orcesi > Corydoras paucerna > Corydoras pauciradiatus (now Aspidoras pauciradiatus) > Corydoras pinheiroi > Corydoras polystictus > Corydoras potaroensis > Corydoras pulcher > Corydoras punctatus > Corydoras punctatus sipaliwini > Corydoras pygmaeus > > Of the fish in this list, the size does not vary more than 2 inches, so, > all of them could be said to be small, and stay small. Taking the > largest of these that are commonly available, and know knowing what you > have for tetras, I still stand by my assessment that adding either of > the fish you wish will be overstocking the tank. Neon tetras do better > in groups of 5 or more, so you might want to consider adding a few more > neons instead. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Leanna > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: powder blue dwarf grami > > > > the tetras i have are neons and the corycat is one that starts with a > > p. i can remember what it was but he stays small > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > Not knowing what kind of tetras and cory you have, I'd say that you > > are > > > getting close to the stocking limit of your tank, so no on both > > > additions. > > > > > > Also, glass catfish need to be kept in groups, and that would be > > enough > > > to keep you from getting them. They can also be finicky eaters and > > are > > > relatively hard to keep healthy, another mark against them. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Leanna > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:14 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] powder blue dwarf grami > > > > > > > > hi its anna again, > > > > > > > > i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my > > > 10gallon > > > > i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass cat be > > > ok?? > > > > thanks much > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3732 (20090102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35207	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some when I clean? I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro treatment ended yesterday) Tuesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Wednesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Thursday (Today): - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just under 20ppm I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at night. The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that I've seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if it's present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing it through PWCs and carbon filtering. I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has chloramines. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the gill covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else on the fish need to be diagnosed. The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of another sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the consistency of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee and more reading here http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml and here http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf and this long case history with lots of pics.. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from others mistakes... and what not to do.) Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, flashing/scratching on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it being Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a natural reaction. Now... for your test results... Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most test kits that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime will handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully established, any dechlor will be OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks more like glitter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a fungus problem?) > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > :-D > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > Nitrate: 0ppm > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > would the test read zero? > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > pick it up and do the PWC. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus > problem?) > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > readings. > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: >> >> > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): >> >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > Nitrite: >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > almost 0ppm; >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. >> >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > probably >> change the subject line. >> >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > at 5pm, >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > should I >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? >> >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > aquarium and >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > results. Will >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > said before >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > of fish >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > trust >> their advice. >> >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > don't >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. >> >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > in spots, >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > seems to be >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > do notice >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > that >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > tank, where >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > entertained >> enough and give CB places to hide. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35208	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

The smaller neons could be troublesome when introduced to a new home. They seem to have a much higher death rate than older, more mature neons. Is this a newly set up tank, or have you maintained it for some time. What are your water parameters--pH, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: powder blue dwarf grami > > its the Corydoras paleatus, and i would love to add more tetras but > for some reason i cant keep them alive, i started with 5 and now i > have 2 its only been a week, last time i got tetras(five also) they > did in 3 days, so wile im doing bettter its stil not grate. i > understand your overstocking worries, thats y i posted here. i wasent > shure if that would be to much. > > thanks for the info > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > OK, cory with a p. > > > > Corydoras paleatus > > Corydoras panda > > Corydoras pantanelensis > > Corydoras piragua > > Corydoras parallelus > > Corydoras pastazensis > > Corydoras pastazensis orcesi > > Corydoras paucerna > > Corydoras pauciradiatus (now Aspidoras pauciradiatus) > > Corydoras pinheiroi > > Corydoras polystictus > > Corydoras potaroensis > > Corydoras pulcher > > Corydoras punctatus > > Corydoras punctatus sipaliwini > > Corydoras pygmaeus > > > > Of the fish in this list, the size does not vary more than 2 > inches, so, > > all of them could be said to be small, and stay small. Taking the > > largest of these that are commonly available, and know knowing what > you > > have for tetras, I still stand by my assessment that adding either > of > > the fish you wish will be overstocking the tank. Neon tetras do > better > > in groups of 5 or more, so you might want to consider adding a few > more > > neons instead. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Leanna > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:30 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: powder blue dwarf grami > > > > > > the tetras i have are neons and the corycat is one that starts > with a > > > p. i can remember what it was but he stays small > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not knowing what kind of tetras and cory you have, I'd say that > you > > > are > > > > getting close to the stocking limit of your tank, so no on both > > > > additions. > > > > > > > > Also, glass catfish need to be kept in groups, and that would be > > > enough > > > > to keep you from getting them. They can also be finicky eaters > and > > > are > > > > relatively hard to keep healthy, another mark against them. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Leanna > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:14 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] powder blue dwarf grami > > > > > > > > > > hi its anna again, > > > > > > > > > > i was wondering if a dwarf grami would be and ok additon to my > > > > 10gallon > > > > > i have 3 guppies a corycat and 2 tetras. also would a glass > cat be > > > > ok?? > > > > > thanks much > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3733 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35209	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've also been looking at Gateway as a good product. As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). Many thanks for all the help, Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them left... Now > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > Harl > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Harl, > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have to be by > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past two years. > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> and sign up. I > > know they still give us the > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why Google has > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they are always > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any software that > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for legal reasons > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they don't start > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it first > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of those first > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail account > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still going... > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is constantly raising > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig of storage > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. Hotmail was > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of the > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited levels. > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one does not > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent emails... > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried it since I > > use Outlook. > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as Gmail has. > > LOL > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > feature. > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > complete... > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35210	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence

I once had the bottom of the tube fall off and I didn't notice, and I found a danio dead in teh bottom of the filter. I think that sort of thing just happens. As long as the fish can't NORMALLY swim into the filter. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "amsterbaum" <amsterbaum@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence I usually turn off the filter during PWC's to prevent excess air from entering the system, which makes a racket and takes a long time to re- equilibrate. Unfortunately, this allowed one of the platies to swim into the filter output nozzle during the split second when the water was at just the right level. There are only two fish in the tank, and I try to keep an eye on both of them during the process, but I must have blinked. When I realized one was missing, I couldn't figure out any other way of extricating her besides turning the system back on - she was expelled, but it wasn't pretty. So, now one of my daughter's pets is dead, and it's at least mostly my fault. We nursed this fish successfully through two illnesses over the past six weeks, and were looking forward to enjoying a long, satisfying experience with our now-healthy aquarium friends. Well, we still have one fish, and I don't want to let this happen again. Obviously, I should leave the filter on during cleaning to keep the water flowing in the right direction in the tube, regardless of the air intake. Any other ideas? It's a biocube with built-in water intake openings at bottom and top leading to the filter system, with a water uplift tube at the end of the system leading to an outflow nozzle near the top of the tank. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35211	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: fish food question

Dan, Haven't seen any replies to this, although I could have missed them. With the prepared foods such as what you are using, which would include flakes, wafers, pellets and probably freeze-dried foods as well, you should first buy them from a source that has a good turn-over of these foods -- to help ensure it being the freshest you can get. This may, in some case, necessitate skirting you smaller LFS (even though I always prefer frequenting these outlets when ever possible), unless he does a brisk business in these foods. As fish food would normally be one of the fastest moving items anyway, there's usually no reason for concern, but a much smaller shop may not sell this as fast. Most better brands of these foods either include added vitamins and/or the foods themselves contain their complement of vitamins when prepared, depending on the composition of the food. The "use-before" date of March you are seeing is right in line with what a food being offered today should advertise. Without refrigeration, its quite important to use these foods before these recommended expiration dates whenever possible if you want to ensure your fish are getting the full benefit from them. The vitamins in these foods have an approximate shelf life of 2 to 2 1/2 months; beyond that, their effectiveness drops precipitantly. However, with storage in the refrigerator, the effectiveness of these vitamins can be preserved for two and a half times that (up to about 5 months). Much beyond that, while there will always be the nutritional value (proteins, carbs, etc.) of the food itself it will have lost any of it vitamin benefits. The flakes that you have that don't have expiration dates should be considered in the same manner. Their vitamins will start losing their effectiveness after about two months from the time you first buy it, considering that it may have already spent a couple of weeks at a dry- goods wholesaler or on the LFS's shelf -- unless you refrigerate it. Adverse storage conditions and summer heat will shorten this period, and while most of today's LFS's are air conditioned during the Summer, the wholesalers are not. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "danf2346" <danf2346@...> wrote: > > Happy new year everyone:) I have the hakari freeze dried brine shrimp, > tubifex worms, blood worms, and daphnia. Was just looking at the best > before dates, 3 of the 4 are marked best before march of this year, and > the other is good till next year yet. I also use several different > flakes also, some containing bits of freezed dried shrimp. I was > wondering how important it is use before dates, or how long I can > continue using them past dates? Most of the flakes I have dont have > dates, is there a way of telling if they are good or not? I figure with > the freeze dried, if I cant use past dates I could share excess with > friends before they go bad since I would otherwise always have plently > left over. Thanks:) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35212	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

I would upgrade the OS to XP, but then I thought that Vista would be OK... I have had XP at work for a long time and it works well, and is not a great leap from 98 from a user standpoint. Everything that is different is better. On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>wrote: > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Harl > Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > left... Now > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > Harl > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have > to be by > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > two years. > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> < > http://www.gmail.com/> and sign > up. I > > > know they still give us the > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > Google has > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > are always > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > software that > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > legal reasons > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > don't start > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > first > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > those first > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > account > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still > going... > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > constantly raising > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > of storage > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > Hotmail was > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > the > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > levels. > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > does not > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > emails... > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > it since I > > > use Outlook. > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > Gmail has. > > > LOL > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35213	From: hank voss	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Ray: Sell some angels in Alaska ($5.00) and get a new machine or pretty soon you will be corressponding by letter or by phone.LOL Regards Hank =========================================================== > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > consition, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@> wrote: > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > left... Now > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > Harl > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have > to be by > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > two years. > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> and sign > up. I > > > know they still give us the > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > Google has > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > are always > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > software that > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > legal reasons > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > don't start > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > first > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > those first > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > account > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still > going... > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > constantly raising > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > of storage > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > Hotmail was > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > the > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > levels. > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > does not > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > emails... > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > it since I > > > use Outlook. > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > Gmail has. > > > LOL > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35214	From: bill1433	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray-----Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\Steve//---help here please!

I think you better�make comments here buddy! � Ray, I can tell you this much as simply as I possibility can.� It may be possible to install your current OS onto a new machine BUT----it is not to likely.� The Reason behind this is simple.� Years ago when you bought a computer it came with a disk or OS disk with your operating system on it.� This disk had an OEM (original equipment manufacture) number; you loaded the disk plugged in that number and you were off.� Today most consumer computers come with what they call a Recovery Disk.� Almost the same thing but not quite.� They work off of the hard drive by a partition that you cannot see or have access to.� This process is called �Ghosting� and it allows for simple and quick loading or re-loading of the OS at any time..� The idea here was that with so many computers being sold, the manufactures do not have to buy individual OEM or OS (operating system) disk from Microsoft, they simply buy the rights or licensing to use the operating system for each machine they sell. � Anyway, with this said, it is sometimes impossible to load any other system on top of or instead of the current operating system like Dell or HP.� This Gateway I have here is like that.� It will load a new or different system but without drivers for the sound card, keyboard and a few other particulars.� Now I could force this issue by pre-loading my own drivers but this would be very difficult for you to do. � You made mention of a Gateway.� Please!� Unless someone gives you one free, don�t buy it!� I have this thing I have now�from HSN (Home Shopping Network on TV) and I can tell you its insides are nothing but generic junk!� My DVD/CD writer died right after the warranty was off.� The RAM chips cost a bundle and are never on sale because they are a peculiar size, junk. � The best machines to buy today for my money are either Dell first (because they will install the Windows XP system with service pack 3, at your request) and second Hewlett Packard.� These machines have always worked well for me and I have worked on their insides and found them to be quite serviceable.� I believe \\Steve// will agree with me here. � There�s a lot more to be considered here but we are trying to make your life easier, not give you �fits�.� Also, remember our phone conversation about this issue and some of your comments?� There is another alternative action you may take.� If the person that you go to for repairs on your machine, also build�s computers then THEY can install a new OS for you or just as easily copy over everything you have right now onto a new systems hard-drive.� � I hope I have helped and not confused you?� I�m sure \\Steve// will be able to offer more as he is in the field and deals with these problems daily. � Bill � --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:48 AM Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've also been looking at Gateway as a good product. As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). Many thanks for all the help, Ray ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> wrote: > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them left... Now > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > Harl > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > > > Harl, > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have to be by > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past two years. > > Just go to http://www.Gmail. com <http://www.gmail. com/> and sign up. I > > know they still give us the > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why Google has > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they are always > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any software that > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for legal reasons > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they don't start > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it first > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of those first > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail account > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still going... > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is constantly raising > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig of storage > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. Hotmail was > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of the > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited levels. > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one does not > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent emails... > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried it since I > > use Outlook. > > http://startupmeme. com/google- calendar- gmail-to- go-offline/ > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as Gmail has. > > LOL > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > feature. > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > complete... > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35215	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Ray, You could be suffering from any, or a combination, of a number of problems. There is a problem known as Winrot in which the OS degrades over a period of time. Many factors contribute to this. It is much worse with 98 than with XP and Vista. Your machine may be infected with malware, which pretty much means software you did not knowingly install. Various pieces of hardware could be failing. The most common would be fans and hard drives. Just last week I looked at a machine. From just one area where malware commonly resides, I removed 28 instances of different malware. At this point I determined that it would be more cost efficient and effective to re-install the OS. I ran my normal CHKDSK on the drive and it found and corrected a number of problems. I ran it twice more, since I look for a clean run of it before proceeding. The second and third runs still came up with errors. At this point I informed the client and replaced the hard drive, since it would become unusable in a relatively short period. This machine was only about 2.5 years old. Since your machine is likely 8+ years old, you are likely more than ready for a replacement. Look for one that has XP installed on it. Continuing to use 98 would be doing a disservice to yourself. If you wish, contact me off list, and I will work up a couple of configurations for you to choose from, along with the pricing. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > left... Now > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > Harl > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have > to be by > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > two years. > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> and sign > up. I > > > know they still give us the > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > Google has > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > are always > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > software that > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > legal reasons > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > don't start > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > first > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > those first > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > account > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still > going... > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > constantly raising > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > of storage > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > Hotmail was > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > the > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > levels. > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > does not > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > emails... > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > it since I > > > use Outlook. > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > Gmail has. > > > LOL > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3733 (20090102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35216	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Commercial display tanks

Any know of a company (beside Marinelands MaRS) that make the display tanks for pet stores?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35217	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in it but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which so far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps keep the tank cleaner. Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe it's a better environment for algae to grow in. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > when I clean? > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > treatment > ended yesterday) > > Tuesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Wednesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Thursday (Today): > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > under 20ppm > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > night. > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > I've > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if > it's > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > department. > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > chloramines. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > gill > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > another > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the > consistency > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > and more reading here > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > and here > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > flashing/scratching > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it > being > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see > if you > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a > natural reaction. > > Now... for your test results... > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most > test kits > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime > will > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > 10ppm > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks > more like glitter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus problem?) > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > :-D > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > would the test read zero? > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus > > problem?) > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > readings. > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > >> > >> > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > >> > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > Nitrite: > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost 0ppm; > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > >> > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > probably > >> change the subject line. > >> > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > at 5pm, > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > should I > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > >> > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > aquarium and > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > results. Will > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > said before > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > of fish > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > trust > >> their advice. > >> > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > don't > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > >> > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > in spots, > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > seems to be > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > do notice > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > that > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > tank, where > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > entertained > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35218	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Hey Ray, my husband is a bit of a computer tech (he fixes my computers when I break them, LOL). You might find that when you do get a new computer that windows xp won't be too bad of an upgrade for your operating system. I was a long time windows xp professional user and just recently upgraded to windows vista 64 bit, which as I think Steve pointed out, has a lot of issues with older programs, and a lot of games (yes I'm a gamer, LOL). Windows xp is not too much different than the older versions of windows and you shouldn't have too many issues getting used to it, and it's a decently solid version of windows from what I have experienced. A lot of people who don't use older programs and a lot of games find that vista is very user friendly for finding programs and just getting around in general, I must admit that I found all the new stuff they added very interesting and some of it is fun to play with (such as the new windows side bar). But basically it all comes down to what you're going to buy, unless you get a higher end computer with 3-4 gigs of ram I would stick with windows xp as windows vista needs a lot of ram to operate properly, where-as xp is not as memory hoggy ;) My husband says if you go with windows 98 instead of a newer version of windows it's going to be hard buying stuff (new programs, keyboards, mouse and such) that will run on it as most people don't make drivers for older windows systems anymore. So I would not suggest sticking with windows 98 unless you're going to keep your keyboard/mouse and all that as well as the drivers, windows xp and vista both auto search for drivers but don't always locate older ones very easily, and if they aren't still up to download somewhere you're basically SOL ;) Dell sells computers with both windows xp and vista, so I'm sure you could find something decent, I recommend dell only because I've never had a gateway (but I've heard some bad rumors). Dell is hard to deal with if your computer breaks after the warranty, so I recommend getting a longer warranty, mine broke right after my warranty expired, go figure, LOL. This last computer I got was pieced together, and I'm much happier with it, even if there's no warranty, besides I live with a computer wiz that can fix it for me, LOL ;) Shhh. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > wrote: > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > left... Now > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > Harl > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have > to be by > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > two years. > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.Gmail.com> > <http://www.gmail.com/ <http://www.gmail.com/>> and sign > up. I > > > know they still give us the > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > Google has > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > are always > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > software that > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > legal reasons > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > don't start > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > first > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > those first > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > account > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still > going... > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > constantly raising > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > of storage > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > Hotmail was > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > the > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > levels. > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > does not > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > emails... > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > it since I > > > use Outlook. > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > <http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/> > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > Gmail has. > > > LOL > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > like "still," > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > not "happily" <g>. > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > draft > > > feature. > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > your replies, > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > are > > > complete... > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

I usually leave algae on the back glass or any that I do not view my tank through. Algae is part of nature's way of helping to keep your tank clean of nitrogenous waste... they are single celled plants after all... so they are not bad to have.. just some folks don't like looking at it. If it starts building up too fast, it also tells you that your tank is overstocked, you're not doing enough maintenance or you have other water chemistry issues like too high of CO2 or too much phosphates or nitrates, etc... so it's like a warning sign also. Right now, in your overstocked situation, you should probably leave as much as you can tolerate to help with the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate issues and to help clean the water of other stuff that your fish don't need also. Also, by allowing it to thrive on one pane of glass, it will be less likely to grow on other panes since the algae you let thrive will be utilizing more of the waste which would inhibit growth elsewhere. When you finally get some fast growing live plants going, then you can start cleaning back the algae more to leave more food for the plants. Why do you need a task scheduler to tell you to go to bed? My eyes usually tell me. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some when I clean? I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro treatment ended yesterday) Tuesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Wednesday: - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) Thursday (Today): - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just under 20ppm I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at night. The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that I've seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if it's present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing it through PWCs and carbon filtering. I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has chloramines. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the gill covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else on the fish need to be diagnosed. The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of another sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the consistency of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee and more reading here http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml and here http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf and this long case history with lots of pics.. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from others mistakes... and what not to do.) Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, flashing/scratching on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it being Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a natural reaction. Now... for your test results... Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most test kits that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime will handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully established, any dechlor will be OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks more like glitter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a fungus problem?) > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > :-D > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > Nitrate: 0ppm > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > would the test read zero? > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > pick it up and do the PWC. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus > problem?) > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > readings. > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: >> >> > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): >> >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > Nitrite: >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > almost 0ppm; >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. >> >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > probably >> change the subject line. >> >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > at 5pm, >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > should I >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? >> >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > aquarium and >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > results. Will >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > said before >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > of fish >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > trust >> their advice. >> >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > don't >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. >> >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > in spots, >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > seems to be >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > do notice >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > that >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > tank, where >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > entertained >> enough and give CB places to hide. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

I skipped over DebR's question earlier this morning (what the heck am I doing getting up at 4 AM when I can sleep late?). Algae is a primitive plant, probably the most primitive we are likely to see up close and personal. It is often the first plant to grow in aquaria, even if we have added live plants to the tank during set up, as these will suffer what is known as transplant shock, and will take a period of time before they actually start growing again. All tanks will have algae in them, though it may not be readily apparent, even in well planted tanks. In truth, algae is pretty much impossible to remove from this environment, the best we can hope for is to control its growth. Those who follow the "take no prisoners" method, attempting to remove all algae are doomed to failure, and may actually do more damage during the war than is warranted. A minimal growth of algae, whether it is apparent or not, is a good sign of a healthy tank. How much to allow is really an individual choice, though of the thousands of species of algae, there are some we really do not wish to see in our tanks. Hair algae is one, the misnamed blue-green algae is another, though it is not really an algae, but a bacteria (cyanobacteria) a step or two removed from being a plant, brush algae--similar to hair algae, and colors other than green algae. The main problem with the above, except the blue-green, is that they are unsightly--the blue-green often indicates an unbalance in your tank that needs to be fixed. There are many fish we keep that require vegetable matter in their diet, though they may not be complete herbivores (fancy way of saying vegetarian). One of the problems, though, is picking the correct fish to help you control the type of algae that you have. Most algae eaters will eat only algae of a certain type, some will only eat certain species of algae. While they may do well for a period of time, if, at least, the right type of algae is not provided, they can slowly starve to death because they are not getting the correct nutrients. I suspect this to be the case of the _Otocinculus_ spp. That seem to have a relatively short life span in aquaria environments. When algae is growing in an undesired area, such as the front panel of glass, there are a number of methods that can be used to remove it. If one has dedicated algae eaters in the tank, they could wait for them to take care of it, or it can be simply wiped off with your hand, a sponge dedicated to aquarium use, one of the many algae scraping tools available, etc. during normal tank maintenance. If it appears on plant leaves, it can be wiped off with your fingers, or, with older leaves, removed from that tank, leaf and all. You can help control algal growth by ensuring you are providing proper lighting for your tank, both lumens provided and the length of time the tank is lighted, proper maintenance of your tank, ensuring you are not overfeeding the tank, and ensuring you are not providing too many nutrients for other plants in your tank with fertilizers or introducing them via your water supply. All in all, you will get algae. It is part of the natural process. It is up to you to determine how much you can live with, but you will never live without algae. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae > build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does > the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by > removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in it > but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which so > far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps > keep the tank cleaner. > Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think > it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the > afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the > winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's > boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. > All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and > every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, > LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's > because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe it's > a better environment for algae to grow in. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > > when I clean? > > > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > treatment > > ended yesterday) > > > > Tuesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Wednesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Thursday (Today): > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > > under 20ppm > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > > night. > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > > I've > > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if > > it's > > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > > department. > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > > gill > > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > > another > > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the > > consistency > > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > > and more reading here > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > > and here > > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so > > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > > flashing/scratching > > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it > > being > > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see > > if you > > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, > > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a > > natural reaction. > > > > Now... for your test results... > > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most > > test kits > > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal > > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime > > will > > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully > > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll > > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm > > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > > 10ppm > > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've > > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that > > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks > > more like glitter. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus problem?) > > > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > > :-D > > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > > would the test read zero? > > > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > > fungus > > > problem?) > > > > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > > readings. > > > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > > >> > > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > > Nitrite: > > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > almost 0ppm; > > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > > >> > > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > > probably > > >> change the subject line. > > >> > > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > > at 5pm, > > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > > should I > > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > > >> > > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > > aquarium and > > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > > results. Will > > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > > said before > > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > > of fish > > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > > trust > > >> their advice. > > >> > > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > > don't > > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > > >> > > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > > in spots, > > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > > seems to be > > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > > do notice > > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > > that > > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > > tank, where > > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > > entertained > > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > > >> > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35221	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Over the years, I have only had one problem with a Dell tech. The guy would not listen to me and treated me like I was some kind of a dummy, making me repeat all the stuff I had already done and told him about. What I did was to pretend I was running the tests, and did something else in the meanwhile, then go back to the phone to give him the results I already had. I came to the conclusion that the guy was a newbie and insisted upon following the script because he knew very little about the machines he was required to assist others with. A lot of time could have been saved if he would have just gone down the script and filled in the appropriate blanks as I was speaking, then send me the parts I needed to perform the fix. When I get stuck with a Tier I tech like this I try to get to the supervisor or get to a Tier II tech. If worse comes to worse, I'll hang up and call again to get another Tier I I can deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Hey Ray, my husband is a bit of a computer tech (he fixes my computers > when I break them, LOL). You might find that when you do get a new > computer that windows xp won't be too bad of an upgrade for your > operating system. I was a long time windows xp professional user and > just recently upgraded to windows vista 64 bit, which as I think Steve > pointed out, has a lot of issues with older programs, and a lot of games > (yes I'm a gamer, LOL). Windows xp is not too much different than the > older versions of windows and you shouldn't have too many issues getting > used to it, and it's a decently solid version of windows from what I > have experienced. A lot of people who don't use older programs and a lot > of games find that vista is very user friendly for finding programs and > just getting around in general, I must admit that I found all the new > stuff they added very interesting and some of it is fun to play with > (such as the new windows side bar). But basically it all comes down to > what you're going to buy, unless you get a higher end computer with 3-4 > gigs of ram I would stick with windows xp as windows vista needs a lot > of ram to operate properly, where-as xp is not as memory hoggy ;) > My husband says if you go with windows 98 instead of a newer version of > windows it's going to be hard buying stuff (new programs, keyboards, > mouse and such) that will run on it as most people don't make drivers > for older windows systems anymore. So I would not suggest sticking with > windows 98 unless you're going to keep your keyboard/mouse and all that > as well as the drivers, windows xp and vista both auto search for > drivers but don't always locate older ones very easily, and if they > aren't still up to download somewhere you're basically SOL ;) > Dell sells computers with both windows xp and vista, so I'm sure you > could find something decent, I recommend dell only because I've never > had a gateway (but I've heard some bad rumors). Dell is hard to deal > with if your computer breaks after the warranty, so I recommend getting > a longer warranty, mine broke right after my warranty expired, go > figure, LOL. This last computer I got was pieced together, and I'm much > happier with it, even if there's no warranty, besides I live with a > computer wiz that can fix it for me, LOL ;) Shhh. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > > consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain > > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the > > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has > > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- > > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money > > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation > > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a > > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > > left... Now > > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > > > Harl > > > > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have > > to be by > > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > > two years. > > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.Gmail.com> > > <http://www.gmail.com/ <http://www.gmail.com/>> and sign > > up. I > > > > know they still give us the > > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > > Google has > > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > > are always > > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > > software that > > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > > legal reasons > > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > > don't start > > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > > first > > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > > those first > > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > > account > > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still > > going... > > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > > constantly raising > > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > > of storage > > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > > Hotmail was > > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > > the > > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > > levels. > > > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > > does not > > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > > emails... > > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > > it since I > > > > use Outlook. > > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > <http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/> > > > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > > Gmail has. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > like "still," > > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > not "happily" <g>. > > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > > your replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35222	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

A YouTube search for - Tech Support Funny - will lead to dozens of hilarious tech support phone calls. My favorite is the cartoon version, Funny Cat Calls Microsoft Tech Support. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray Over the years, I have only had one problem with a Dell tech. The guy would not listen to me and treated me like I was some kind of a dummy, making me repeat all the stuff I had already done and told him about. What I did was to pretend I was running the tests, and did something else in the meanwhile, then go back to the phone to give him the results I already had. I came to the conclusion that the guy was a newbie and insisted upon following the script because he knew very little about the machines he was required to assist others with. A lot of time could have been saved if he would have just gone down the script and filled in the appropriate blanks as I was speaking, then send me the parts I needed to perform the fix. When I get stuck with a Tier I tech like this I try to get to the supervisor or get to a Tier II tech. If worse comes to worse, I'll hang up and call again to get another Tier I I can deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > Hey Ray, my husband is a bit of a computer tech (he fixes my computers > when I break them, LOL). You might find that when you do get a new > computer that windows xp won't be too bad of an upgrade for your > operating system. I was a long time windows xp professional user and > just recently upgraded to windows vista 64 bit, which as I think Steve > pointed out, has a lot of issues with older programs, and a lot of > games (yes I'm a gamer, LOL). Windows xp is not too much different > than the older versions of windows and you shouldn't have too many > issues getting used to it, and it's a decently solid version of > windows from what I have experienced. A lot of people who don't use > older programs and a lot of games find that vista is very user > friendly for finding programs and just getting around in general, I > must admit that I found all the new stuff they added very interesting > and some of it is fun to play with (such as the new windows side bar). > But basically it all comes down to what you're going to buy, unless > you get a higher end computer with 3-4 gigs of ram I would stick with > windows xp as windows vista needs a lot of ram to operate properly, > where-as xp is not as memory hoggy ;) My husband says if you go with > windows 98 instead of a newer version of windows it's going to be hard > buying stuff (new programs, keyboards, mouse and such) that will run > on it as most people don't make drivers for older windows systems > anymore. So I would not suggest sticking with windows 98 unless you're > going to keep your keyboard/mouse and all that as well as the drivers, > windows xp and vista both auto search for drivers but don't always > locate older ones very easily, and if they aren't still up to download > somewhere you're basically SOL ;) Dell sells computers with both > windows xp and vista, so I'm sure you could find something decent, I > recommend dell only because I've never had a gateway (but I've heard > some bad rumors). Dell is hard to deal with if your computer breaks > after the warranty, so I recommend getting a longer warranty, mine > broke right after my warranty expired, go figure, LOL. This last > computer I got was pieced together, and I'm much happier with it, even > if there's no warranty, besides I live with a computer wiz that can fix it for me, LOL ;) Shhh. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from > > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > > consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is > > plain getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be > > expected of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least > > decently the way it was designed to when first marketed - but I > > think the time has come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter > > wiz, I'm sure its problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for > > similar- problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping > > more money into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the > > market's recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, > > hopefully that time may not be too far off. Just as the current > > financial situation has affected so many others, my portfolio has > > similarly been down about 32% since September and I just don't feel > > comfortable getting a big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not > > that I couldn't. Its probably more psychological that this recession > > is bothering me rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't > > really changed; I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something > > newer sooner than later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from > > early experiences during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). > > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I > > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). > > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > > left... Now > > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > > > Harl > > > > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't > > > > have > > to be by > > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past > > two years. > > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.Gmail.com> > > <http://www.gmail.com/ <http://www.gmail.com/>> and sign up. I > > > > know they still give us the > > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > > Google has > > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > > are always > > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > > software that > > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > > legal reasons > > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > > don't start > > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it > > first > > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > > those first > > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > > account > > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and > > > > still > > going... > > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > > constantly raising > > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig > > of storage > > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > > Hotmail was > > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of > > the > > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited > > levels. > > > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > > does not > > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > > emails... > > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried > > it since I > > > > use Outlook. > > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > <http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/> > > > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as > > Gmail has. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > like "still," > > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > not "happily" <g>. > > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > > your replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35223	From: Bonnie	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence

Thanks - yes, that's pretty similar to my biocube.  I temporarily plugged the tube for today's PWC, and that seemed to work.  My daughter would like to cover it with a net, but if there isn't a pupose-designed item available, I'd rather not - I can think of so many ways a piece of netting could cause problems in the tank.  Thanks for helping. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35224	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence

A piece of filter floss padding cut to size and then held in place with a nylon zip tie would work. A large or medium pore open cell sponge held in place with a nylon zip tie would also work. The net would work also. What kind of problems do you imagine with the netting? As long as it's pulled tight over the nozzle and held in place with a zip tie, it should be fine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence Thanks - yes, that's pretty similar to my biocube.  I temporarily plugged the tube for today's PWC, and that seemed to work.  My daughter would like to cover it with a net, but if there isn't a pupose-designed item available, I'd rather not - I can think of so many ways a piece of netting could cause problems in the tank.  Thanks for helping. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35225	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill it off. My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille I skipped over DebR's question earlier this morning (what the heck am I doing getting up at 4 AM when I can sleep late?). Algae is a primitive plant, probably the most primitive we are likely to see up close and personal. It is often the first plant to grow in aquaria, even if we have added live plants to the tank during set up, as these will suffer what is known as transplant shock, and will take a period of time before they actually start growing again. All tanks will have algae in them, though it may not be readily apparent, even in well planted tanks. In truth, algae is pretty much impossible to remove from this environment, the best we can hope for is to control its growth. Those who follow the "take no prisoners" method, attempting to remove all algae are doomed to failure, and may actually do more damage during the war than is warranted. A minimal growth of algae, whether it is apparent or not, is a good sign of a healthy tank. How much to allow is really an individual choice, though of the thousands of species of algae, there are some we really do not wish to see in our tanks. Hair algae is one, the misnamed blue-green algae is another, though it is not really an algae, but a bacteria (cyanobacteria) a step or two removed from being a plant, brush algae--similar to hair algae, and colors other than green algae. The main problem with the above, except the blue-green, is that they are unsightly--the blue-green often indicates an unbalance in your tank that needs to be fixed. There are many fish we keep that require vegetable matter in their diet, though they may not be complete herbivores (fancy way of saying vegetarian). One of the problems, though, is picking the correct fish to help you control the type of algae that you have. Most algae eaters will eat only algae of a certain type, some will only eat certain species of algae. While they may do well for a period of time, if, at least, the right type of algae is not provided, they can slowly starve to death because they are not getting the correct nutrients. I suspect this to be the case of the _Otocinculus_ spp. That seem to have a relatively short life span in aquaria environments. When algae is growing in an undesired area, such as the front panel of glass, there are a number of methods that can be used to remove it. If one has dedicated algae eaters in the tank, they could wait for them to take care of it, or it can be simply wiped off with your hand, a sponge dedicated to aquarium use, one of the many algae scraping tools available, etc. during normal tank maintenance. If it appears on plant leaves, it can be wiped off with your fingers, or, with older leaves, removed from that tank, leaf and all. You can help control algal growth by ensuring you are providing proper lighting for your tank, both lumens provided and the length of time the tank is lighted, proper maintenance of your tank, ensuring you are not overfeeding the tank, and ensuring you are not providing too many nutrients for other plants in your tank with fertilizers or introducing them via your water supply. All in all, you will get algae. It is part of the natural process. It is up to you to determine how much you can live with, but you will never live without algae. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae > build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does > the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by > removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in it > but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which so > far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps > keep the tank cleaner. > Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think > it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the > afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the > winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's > boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. > All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and > every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, > LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's > because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe it's > a better environment for algae to grow in. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > > when I clean? > > > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > treatment > > ended yesterday) > > > > Tuesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Wednesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Thursday (Today): > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > > under 20ppm > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > > night. > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > > I've > > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if > > it's > > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > > department. > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > > gill > > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > > another > > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the > > consistency > > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > > and more reading here > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > > and here > > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so > > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > > flashing/scratching > > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it > > being > > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see > > if you > > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, > > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a > > natural reaction. > > > > Now... for your test results... > > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most > > test kits > > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal > > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime > > will > > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully > > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll > > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm > > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > > 10ppm > > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've > > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that > > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks > > more like glitter. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus problem?) > > > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > > :-D > > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > > would the test read zero? > > > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > > fungus > > > problem?) > > > > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > > readings. > > > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > > >> > > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > > Nitrite: > > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > almost 0ppm; > > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > > >> > > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > > probably > > >> change the subject line. > > >> > > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > > at 5pm, > > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > > should I > > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > > >> > > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > > aquarium and > > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > > results. Will > > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > > said before > > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > > of fish > > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > > trust > > >> their advice. > > >> > > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > > don't > > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > > >> > > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > > in spots, > > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > > seems to be > > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > > do notice > > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > > that > > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > > tank, where > > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > > entertained > > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > > >> > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35226	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Ray! - Acriflavin

I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it has methyline blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up parasites? Do they come in the food? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35227	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Algae uses CO2 and puts out O2 during photosynthesis (when the lights are on or getting sunlight). Tell your timeshare daughter to crack open the Earth Sciences book from high school again. Just kidding. ;-) Having said all that, aquatic plants actually do "breathe in" a very small amount of O2 at night but it's such a small amount, it's insignificant for our fish. I'm not sure that algae are capable of this effect but they probably can also breath in O2 at night. Although you will see this broad statement about plants using O2 at night being assigned to algae as well, any statements about plants using O2 at night should have a disclaimer that plants use VERY LITTLE O2 at night in comparison to the amount they put out during photosynthesis. Remember your fish will need a lot less O2 at night when they are sleeping... unless you have an Animal House tank where they party all night long and sleep till 3pm every day... ahhh.. the college days! ;-) Here's an old archived thread from TheKrib about CO2 and night time but it also discusses the O2 levels at night in planted tanks. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/night.html And another about Algae - Friend or Foe? http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/friend.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill it off. My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille I skipped over DebR's question earlier this morning (what the heck am I doing getting up at 4 AM when I can sleep late?). Algae is a primitive plant, probably the most primitive we are likely to see up close and personal. It is often the first plant to grow in aquaria, even if we have added live plants to the tank during set up, as these will suffer what is known as transplant shock, and will take a period of time before they actually start growing again. All tanks will have algae in them, though it may not be readily apparent, even in well planted tanks. In truth, algae is pretty much impossible to remove from this environment, the best we can hope for is to control its growth. Those who follow the "take no prisoners" method, attempting to remove all algae are doomed to failure, and may actually do more damage during the war than is warranted. A minimal growth of algae, whether it is apparent or not, is a good sign of a healthy tank. How much to allow is really an individual choice, though of the thousands of species of algae, there are some we really do not wish to see in our tanks. Hair algae is one, the misnamed blue-green algae is another, though it is not really an algae, but a bacteria (cyanobacteria) a step or two removed from being a plant, brush algae--similar to hair algae, and colors other than green algae. The main problem with the above, except the blue-green, is that they are unsightly--the blue-green often indicates an unbalance in your tank that needs to be fixed. There are many fish we keep that require vegetable matter in their diet, though they may not be complete herbivores (fancy way of saying vegetarian). One of the problems, though, is picking the correct fish to help you control the type of algae that you have. Most algae eaters will eat only algae of a certain type, some will only eat certain species of algae. While they may do well for a period of time, if, at least, the right type of algae is not provided, they can slowly starve to death because they are not getting the correct nutrients. I suspect this to be the case of the _Otocinculus_ spp. That seem to have a relatively short life span in aquaria environments. When algae is growing in an undesired area, such as the front panel of glass, there are a number of methods that can be used to remove it. If one has dedicated algae eaters in the tank, they could wait for them to take care of it, or it can be simply wiped off with your hand, a sponge dedicated to aquarium use, one of the many algae scraping tools available, etc. during normal tank maintenance. If it appears on plant leaves, it can be wiped off with your fingers, or, with older leaves, removed from that tank, leaf and all. You can help control algal growth by ensuring you are providing proper lighting for your tank, both lumens provided and the length of time the tank is lighted, proper maintenance of your tank, ensuring you are not overfeeding the tank, and ensuring you are not providing too many nutrients for other plants in your tank with fertilizers or introducing them via your water supply. All in all, you will get algae. It is part of the natural process. It is up to you to determine how much you can live with, but you will never live without algae. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae > build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does > the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by > removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in it > but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which so > far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps > keep the tank cleaner. > Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think > it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the > afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the > winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's > boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. > All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and > every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, > LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's > because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe it's > a better environment for algae to grow in. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > > when I clean? > > > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > treatment > > ended yesterday) > > > > Tuesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Wednesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Thursday (Today): > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > > under 20ppm > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > > night. > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > > I've > > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if > > it's > > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > > department. > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the > > gill > > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > > another > > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the > > consistency > > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > > and more reading here > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > > and here > > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums... so > > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > > flashing/scratching > > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against it > > being > > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see > > if you > > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a while, > > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It's a > > natural reaction. > > > > Now... for your test results... > > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most > > test kits > > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the decimal > > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime > > will > > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is fully > > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I'll > > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I'm > > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > > 10ppm > > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail. > > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I've > > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see that > > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It looks > > more like glitter. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus problem?) > > > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > > :-D > > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as I > > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > > would the test read zero? > > > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off to > > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > > fungus > > > problem?) > > > > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change it. > > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least one > > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want to > > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you still > > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm wrong). > > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > > readings. > > > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're completely > > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's and > > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt addition > > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > > >> > > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > > Nitrite: > > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > almost 0ppm; > > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > > >> > > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > > probably > > >> change the subject line. > > >> > > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > > at 5pm, > > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > > should I > > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > > >> > > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > > aquarium and > > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > > results. Will > > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > > said before > > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > > of fish > > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure I'd > > > trust > > >> their advice. > > >> > > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > > don't > > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > > >> > > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > > in spots, > > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > > seems to be > > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > > do notice > > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > > that > > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > > tank, where > > >> could they have escaped to? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35228	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change their formulas. http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather Victoria Green. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it has methyline blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up parasites? Do they come in the food? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35229	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

OK, I'll let the algae go wild, then. I wouldn't know about the Animal House college days. I was already married and had three years of Army service under my belt by the time I did college. But I do remember a couple of parties during AIT. We had to do something to celebrate getting out of basic training. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Algae uses CO2 and puts out O2 during photosynthesis (when the lights are on or getting sunlight). Tell your timeshare daughter to crack open the Earth Sciences book from high school again. Just kidding. ;-) Having said all that, aquatic plants actually do "breathe in" a very small amount of O2 at night but it's such a small amount, it's insignificant for our fish. I'm not sure that algae are capable of this effect but they probably can also breath in O2 at night. Although you will see this broad statement about plants using O2 at night being assigned to algae as well, any statements about plants using O2 at night should have a disclaimer that plants use VERY LITTLE O2 at night in comparison to the amount they put out during photosynthesis. Remember your fish will need a lot less O2 at night when they are sleeping... unless you have an Animal House tank where they party all night long and sleep till 3pm every day... ahhh.. the college days! ;-) Here's an old archived thread from TheKrib about CO2 and night time but it also discusses the O2 levels at night in planted tanks. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/night.html And another about Algae - Friend or Foe? http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/friend.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill it off. My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille I skipped over DebR's question earlier this morning (what the heck am I doing getting up at 4 AM when I can sleep late?). Algae is a primitive plant, probably the most primitive we are likely to see up close and personal. It is often the first plant to grow in aquaria, even if we have added live plants to the tank during set up, as these will suffer what is known as transplant shock, and will take a period of time before they actually start growing again. All tanks will have algae in them, though it may not be readily apparent, even in well planted tanks. In truth, algae is pretty much impossible to remove from this environment, the best we can hope for is to control its growth. Those who follow the "take no prisoners" method, attempting to remove all algae are doomed to failure, and may actually do more damage during the war than is warranted. A minimal growth of algae, whether it is apparent or not, is a good sign of a healthy tank. How much to allow is really an individual choice, though of the thousands of species of algae, there are some we really do not wish to see in our tanks. Hair algae is one, the misnamed blue-green algae is another, though it is not really an algae, but a bacteria (cyanobacteria) a step or two removed from being a plant, brush algae--similar to hair algae, and colors other than green algae. The main problem with the above, except the blue-green, is that they are unsightly--the blue-green often indicates an unbalance in your tank that needs to be fixed. There are many fish we keep that require vegetable matter in their diet, though they may not be complete herbivores (fancy way of saying vegetarian). One of the problems, though, is picking the correct fish to help you control the type of algae that you have. Most algae eaters will eat only algae of a certain type, some will only eat certain species of algae. While they may do well for a period of time, if, at least, the right type of algae is not provided, they can slowly starve to death because they are not getting the correct nutrients. I suspect this to be the case of the _Otocinculus_ spp. That seem to have a relatively short life span in aquaria environments. When algae is growing in an undesired area, such as the front panel of glass, there are a number of methods that can be used to remove it. If one has dedicated algae eaters in the tank, they could wait for them to take care of it, or it can be simply wiped off with your hand, a sponge dedicated to aquarium use, one of the many algae scraping tools available, etc. during normal tank maintenance. If it appears on plant leaves, it can be wiped off with your fingers, or, with older leaves, removed from that tank, leaf and all. You can help control algal growth by ensuring you are providing proper lighting for your tank, both lumens provided and the length of time the tank is lighted, proper maintenance of your tank, ensuring you are not overfeeding the tank, and ensuring you are not providing too many nutrients for other plants in your tank with fertilizers or introducing them via your water supply. All in all, you will get algae. It is part of the natural process. It is up to you to determine how much you can live with, but you will never live without algae. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae > build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does > the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by > removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in it > but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which so > far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps > keep the tank cleaner. > Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think > it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the > afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the > winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's > boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. > All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and > every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, > LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's > because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe it's > a better environment for algae to grow in. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > > when I clean? > > > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > treatment > > ended yesterday) > > > > Tuesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Wednesday: > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > Thursday (Today): > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > > under 20ppm > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > > night. > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also. > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" that > > I've > > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if > > it's > > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of removing > > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be chloramines, > > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. My bill > > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > > department. > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35230	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on the keyboard. Thanks for all the help! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change their formulas. http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather Victoria Green. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it has methyline blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up parasites? Do they come in the food? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35231	From: texas_tears2000	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: leaving group for a while

if i leave may i return later?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35232	From: harry perry	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: leaving group for a while

Why not just go no mail?. Harry a moderator --- On Sat, 1/3/09, texas_tears2000 <texas_tears2000@...> wrote: From: texas_tears2000 <texas_tears2000@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] leaving group for a while To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:07 PM if i leave may i return later? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35233	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Unless you are teetering on the edge of having enough oxygen in the tank to support the fish, which, from the video's I saw you are not, there is nothing to worry about. Yes, live plants will take in O2 at night and release CO2 in turn, it is not normally enough to upset the balance. If you test pH in the morning and in the evening in a planted tank, you will notice a lower pH in the AM and a higher pH in the PM. This is because the increase in CO2 overnight will lower the pH via carbonic acid, which will be utilized by the plants during the daytime, which will cause the pH to rise. This is why it is wise to do any testing of your water at approximately the same time each day. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. > > I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back > and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly > and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill > it off. > > My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much > algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:31 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > I skipped over DebR's question earlier this morning (what the heck am I > doing getting up at 4 AM when I can sleep late?). Algae is a primitive > plant, probably the most primitive we are likely to see up close and > personal. It is often the first plant to grow in aquaria, even if we > have added live plants to the tank during set up, as these will suffer > what is known as transplant shock, and will take a period of time before > they actually start growing again. > > All tanks will have algae in them, though it may not be readily > apparent, even in well planted tanks. In truth, algae is pretty much > impossible to remove from this environment, the best we can hope for is > to control its growth. Those who follow the "take no prisoners" method, > attempting to remove all algae are doomed to failure, and may actually > do more damage during the war than is warranted. A minimal growth of > algae, whether it is apparent or not, is a good sign of a healthy tank. > How much to allow is really an individual choice, though of the > thousands of species of algae, there are some we really do not wish to > see in our tanks. Hair algae is one, the misnamed blue-green algae is > another, though it is not really an algae, but a bacteria > (cyanobacteria) a step or two removed from being a plant, brush > algae--similar to hair algae, and colors other than green algae. > > The main problem with the above, except the blue-green, is that they are > unsightly--the blue-green often indicates an unbalance in your tank that > needs to be fixed. > > There are many fish we keep that require vegetable matter in their diet, > though they may not be complete herbivores (fancy way of saying > vegetarian). One of the problems, though, is picking the correct fish to > help you control the type of algae that you have. Most algae eaters will > eat only algae of a certain type, some will only eat certain species of > algae. While they may do well for a period of time, if, at least, the > right type of algae is not provided, they can slowly starve to death > because they are not getting the correct nutrients. I suspect this to be > the case of the _Otocinculus_ spp. That seem to have a relatively short > life span in aquaria environments. > > When algae is growing in an undesired area, such as the front panel of > glass, there are a number of methods that can be used to remove it. If > one has dedicated algae eaters in the tank, they could wait for them to > take care of it, or it can be simply wiped off with your hand, a sponge > dedicated to aquarium use, one of the many algae scraping tools > available, etc. during normal tank maintenance. If it appears on plant > leaves, it can be wiped off with your fingers, or, with older leaves, > removed from that tank, leaf and all. > > You can help control algal growth by ensuring you are providing proper > lighting for your tank, both lumens provided and the length of time the > tank is lighted, proper maintenance of your tank, ensuring you are not > overfeeding the tank, and ensuring you are not providing too many > nutrients for other plants in your tank with fertilizers or introducing > them via your water supply. > > All in all, you will get algae. It is part of the natural process. It is > up to you to determine how much you can live with, but you will never > live without algae. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:40 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > From what I've read on algae build up (as long as it's the good algae > > build up which is greenish/brown) any amount of it is good, as it does > > the same thing your live plants would do when they clean the water by > > removing fish waste and all that. My betta tank has no live plants in > it > > but it does tend to get a build up of algae on my fake plants, which > so > > far I have left alone, I figure it's not harmful to the fish and helps > > keep the tank cleaner. > > Now my big 125 gallon tank has a lot more algae build up, but I think > > it's because it's near the living room window and perhaps some of the > > afternoon light helps the build up? It's something recent with the > > winter weather, so I'm thinking the increase in sunlight is what's > > boosting my algae. I definitely need to get an algae cleaner in there. > > All the back glass is green, the front glass also builds up algae, and > > every decoration and even the slow growing plants have algae on them, > > LOL. There's literally algae everywhere in that tank. Perhaps it's > > because I used potting soil under the gravel for the plants? Maybe > it's > > a better environment for algae to grow in. > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Friday Night Check in (Day 16 reduced salt - Day 32 total) > > > > > > - 5G PWC late morning (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > - Tank readings 11:30PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > almost .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm (will do PWC in the morning) > > > > > > How much algae is ok for an aquarium tank? Should I be leaving some > > > when I clean? > > > > > > I'll be picking up the Acriflavin tomorrow. I wanted to let the > > > activated carbon run for a while before doing another treatment. > > > > > > My Task Scheduler just told me "GO TO BED" > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro > > > treatment > > > ended yesterday) > > > > > > Tuesday: > > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Wednesday: > > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over > 10ppm > > > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > > > > > Thursday (Today): > > > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: > just > > > under 20ppm > > > > > > I'll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later > at > > > night. > > > > > > The "glitter" is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > > > Lucille's body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas > starting to > > > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange > spot on > > > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, > also. > > > It's all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any "flashing" > that > > > I've > > > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - > not so > > > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the > plastic > > > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > > > > > I'm thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > > > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining > fungus, and > > > from what I'm reading online, it would also take care of any velvet > if > > > it's > > > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I'm in the process of > removing > > > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > > > > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > > > estimates based on color gradient. I'm think there must be > chloramines, > > > also. Maybe someday I'll get a response from the water department. > My bill > > > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, > rather than > > > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing > > > department. > > > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but > where > > > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > > > > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I > thought > > > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water > has > > > chloramines. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on > the > > > gill > > > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere > else > > > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > > > > > The glitter look... what color is it?... could just be the natural > > > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of > > > another > > > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or > gold > > > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the > > > consistency > > > of talc) from Pandora's Fish Disease page - > > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee > <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee> > > > and more reading here > > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > > > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml> > > > and here > > > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf > <http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf> > > > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > > > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > > > <http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html> > > > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of > the > > > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health > problems > > > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB > forums... so > > > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish > from > > > others mistakes... and what not to do.) > > > > > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, > > > flashing/scratching > > > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did > would/should have > > > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I'm leaning against > it > > > being > > > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see > > > if you > > > see this same "look"? With all the problems that you've had, for a > while, > > > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. > It's a > > > natural reaction. > > > > > > Now... for your test results... > > > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and > nitrite > > > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most > > > test kits > > > that I've used... or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on > the > > > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure > that your > > > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn't misplace the > decimal > > > point. Normally, we don't worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank > that is > > > still cycling.... although yours should be darn close to being > completed. > > > > > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline > tests, it > > > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your > Prime > > > will > > > handle that with no problems and once your tank's nitrogen cycle is > fully > > > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > > > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days > PraziPro) > > > > > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; > Nitrite: > > > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. > I'll > > > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. > I'm > > > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine > info. > > > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > > > 10ppm > > > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the > tail. > > > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. > I've > > > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be > acting > > > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, > scale > > > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > > > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I'm starting to see > that > > > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy > dust > > > along her (sorry) back. It doesn't look like white specs of salt. It > looks > > > more like glitter. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@... > > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie > with a > > > fungus problem?) > > > > > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > > > > > - I haven't seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL > DAY!!! > > > > :-D > > > > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > 0ppm; > > > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > > > - Tank (wasn't able to do a PWC yet- I'm off to do that as soon as > I > > > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to > .15ppm; > > > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all > converted, > > > > would the test read zero? > > > > > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help > remove > > > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I'm off > to > > > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with > a > > > > fungus > > > > problem?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line -- and being ABLE to change > it. > > > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that's at least > one > > > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good > health. > > > > CB's increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC > (but > > > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don't want the ammonia > > > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to > physically > > > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive > for > > > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I'm not fully > > > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don't want > to > > > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria -- but happily, your midnight > > > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading > of > > > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but > for > > > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building > up > > > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading > of > > > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went > from > > > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I'd suggest you > still > > > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I'm > wrong). > > > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his > proper > > > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you > the > > > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he > allows), > > > > you don't need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > > > readings. > > > > > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium's life > > > > functions, unless you have plants; I'd wait until you're > completely > > > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven's > and > > > > CB's tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may > be > > > > the direct cause of the redness in CB's tail and this salt > addition > > > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior > only > > > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change > her > > > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > , "Menagerie_Manager" > > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > > > >> > > > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > > > Nitrite: > > > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > > > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > > > almost 0ppm; > > > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > > > >> > > > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > > > probably > > > >> change the subject line. > > > >> > > > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > > > at 5pm, > > > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro > or > > > > should I > > > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > > > >> > > > >> I'm looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > > > aquarium and > > > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > > > results. Will > > > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > > > said before > > > >> it's kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > > > of fish > > > >> products, but I wouldn't buy any fish there and I'm not so sure > I'd > > > > trust > > > >> their advice. > > > >> > > > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn't have > > > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > > > don't > > > >> think it's a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > > > >> > > > >> Someone mentioned about CB's tail is so short. It was longer > > > > in spots, > > > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > > > seems to be > > > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > > > do notice > > > >> Lucille nipping at CB's tail sometimes. I had originally > suspected > > > > that > > > >> both CB's and Raven's tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > > > tank, where > > > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > > > entertained > > > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > > > >> > > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35234	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray-----Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\Steve//---help here please!

Ray, � My hubby is a computer type guy, too. Does that stuff for a living. Anyway, I wanted to pipe in here just a minute if you don't mind a bit more info. � First, the problem could be your Windows 98 since some things aren't going to be compatible these days. I know most things should be backwards compatible, but not everything will be and that can be a bit of an issue. We have another computer wiz friend who finally gave up his 98 and got a new machine just this past year because of the�problems. � Second, if it's just an OS problem and you don't want to deal with the problems you have been hearing about re XP or VISTA and you don't want to spend money right now, have you thought about downloading LINUX? It's free, compatible to just about everything and I don't know anyone who has trouble with it. Best of all, there's lots of user groups out there who will give you free support. I can get you a download site if you want it. If you do want it,�e-mail me off list and I'll go ask one of our friends who use�LINUX for the site address. � Third, though XP can look different than 98, you can set it up to work the same way as 98. I did not learn that little trick until I had already learned the new way to use XP, but I am glad to pass the info on to others now that I know. This means you wouldn't have a whole lot of new learnin' to do if you can still get XP. I don't know whether Vista is the same way and so I cannot speak to that issue. � Last, you might want to keep and eye out at places like TigerDirect.com, halfprice.com, etc. to find good deals on computers in addition to the usual places. You can find some good deals there. No, I don't own any stock in them or know anyone who works there, I just know where my husbands geek friends all talk about buying stuff. � I hope that helps. Deb --- On Sat, 1/3/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: I think you better�make comments here buddy! � Ray, I can tell you this much as simply as I possibility can.� It may be possible to install your current OS onto a new machine BUT----it is not to likely.� The Reason behind this is simple.� Years ago when you bought a computer it came with a disk or OS disk with your operating system on it.� This disk had an OEM (original equipment manufacture) number; you loaded the disk plugged in that number and you were off.� Today most consumer computers come with what they call a Recovery Disk.� Almost the same thing but not quite.� They work off of the hard drive by a partition that you cannot see or have access to.� This process is called �Ghosting� and it allows for simple and quick loading or re-loading of the OS at any time..� The idea here was that with so many computers being sold, the manufactures do not have to buy individual OEM or OS (operating system) disk from Microsoft, they simply buy the rights or licensing to use the operating system for each machine they sell. � Anyway, with this said, it is sometimes impossible to load any other system on top of or instead of the current operating system like Dell or HP.� This Gateway I have here is like that.� It will load a new or different system but without drivers for the sound card, keyboard and a few other particulars.� Now I could force this issue by pre-loading my own drivers but this would be very difficult for you to do. � You made mention of a Gateway.� Please!� Unless someone gives you one free, don�t buy it!� I have this thing I have now�from HSN (Home Shopping Network on TV) and I can tell you its insides are nothing but generic junk!� My DVD/CD writer died right after the warranty was off.� The RAM chips cost a bundle and are never on sale because they are a peculiar size, junk. � The best machines to buy today for my money are either Dell first (because they will install the Windows XP system with service pack 3, at your request) and second Hewlett Packard.� These machines have always worked well for me and I have worked on their insides and found them to be quite serviceable.� I believe \\Steve// will agree with me here. � There�s a lot more to be considered here but we are trying to make your life easier, not give you �fits�.� Also, remember our phone conversation about this issue and some of your comments?� There is another alternative action you may take.� If the person that you go to for repairs on your machine, also build�s computers then THEY can install a new OS for you or just as easily copy over everything you have right now onto a new systems hard-drive.� � I hope I have helped and not confused you?� I�m sure \\Steve// will be able to offer more as he is in the field and deals with these problems daily. � Bill � --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:48 AM Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support from my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under consideration, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is plain getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently the way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time has come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for similar- problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more money into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial situation has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting a big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me (LOL). I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've also been looking at Gateway as a good product. As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would I just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully soon). Many thanks for all the help, Ray ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@. ..> wrote: > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them left... Now > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > Harl > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > > > Harl, > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't have to be by > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the past two years. > > Just go to http://www.Gmail. com <http://www.gmail. com/> and sign up. I > > know they still give us the > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why Google has > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they are always > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any software that > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for legal reasons > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they don't start > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when it first > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of those first > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail account > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and still going... > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is constantly raising > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering 1Gig of storage > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. Hotmail was > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all of the > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually unlimited levels. > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one does not > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent emails... > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't tried it since I > > use Outlook. > > http://startupmeme. com/google- calendar- gmail-to- go-offline/ > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long as Gmail has. > > LOL > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more like "still," > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its not "happily" <g>. > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save draft > > feature. > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type your replies, > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you are > > complete... > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35235	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

I started a brackish water tank with a 3/4" bumblebee goby and a 1.5" male guppy. They are in a 10 gallon tank. It has a small rock cave and a couple of plastic plants and a 5" long piece of black rigid tube from an old canister filter (use as a hiding spot?) Im using a thin layer (1/4") of small aquarium gravel as substrate. For filtration I am using an Aquaclear 100 or Mini with the sponge from an AQ30 and their bag of Biostone. I am not running any carbon. I also am using AQ powerhead 10. PH is at 7.8. I dont know how it got that Alkaline but im told that where it should be for brackish as all my other tropical aquariums except the guppy tanks are 7.0-7.2. The guppy tanks are also high alkaline. Im was told that running a fast current in a tank helps bring up the PH because it makes the Limestone(buffer) that the county LI, NY) puts in the water evaporate. Is this true??? Salinity is at 1.006. Is this a good area to be in. I was told to put 2 TBSP of Instant Ocean per gal of water. I bought an IO Hydrometer and this is where its at. The Goby seems to tolerate freeze dried bloodworms and wont eat tubifex worms. He loves live brine shrimp though! Are brine shrimp easy to hatch. The LFS said that the Brine will only live about 24-36 hours. I dont want to buy live shrimp everyday. any thoughts? Sorry I ask so many different questions. even when my previous ones dont get answered right away. Its my adhd. I live my life like I ask my questions. I jump around alot. Its lets me have my own business and have 6 aquariums 5 dogs 15 fainting goats 25 chickens 2 pheasants 7 cats 3 hermit crabs all smack dab in the middle of NY suburbia!! Plus I cant sleep more than 4 hours a night LOL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35236	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

OK, that's good to know about the pH and time of day. I had no idea. Thanks, Ray. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Unless you are teetering on the edge of having enough oxygen in the tank to support the fish, which, from the video's I saw you are not, there is nothing to worry about. Yes, live plants will take in O2 at night and release CO2 in turn, it is not normally enough to upset the balance. If you test pH in the morning and in the evening in a planted tank, you will notice a lower pH in the AM and a higher pH in the PM. This is because the increase in CO2 overnight will lower the pH via carbonic acid, which will be utilized by the plants during the daytime, which will cause the pH to rise. This is why it is wise to do any testing of your water at approximately the same time each day. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. > > I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back > and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly > and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill > it off. > > My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much > algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35237	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

er - I mean Steve. I think I may have early old-timers disease. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille OK, that's good to know about the pH and time of day. I had no idea. Thanks, Ray. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Unless you are teetering on the edge of having enough oxygen in the tank to support the fish, which, from the video's I saw you are not, there is nothing to worry about. Yes, live plants will take in O2 at night and release CO2 in turn, it is not normally enough to upset the balance. If you test pH in the morning and in the evening in a planted tank, you will notice a lower pH in the AM and a higher pH in the PM. This is because the increase in CO2 overnight will lower the pH via carbonic acid, which will be utilized by the plants during the daytime, which will cause the pH to rise. This is why it is wise to do any testing of your water at approximately the same time each day. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. > > I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the back > and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes unsightly > and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to kill > it off. > > My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too much > algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35238	From: Leanna	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

my tank has been up for 3 weeks.... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > The smaller neons could be troublesome when introduced to a new home. > They seem to have a much higher death rate than older, more mature > neons. Is this a newly set up tank, or have you maintained it for some > time. What are your water parameters--pH, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates? > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35239	From: h norton	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Tube Tragedy - help me prevent recurrence/heres my way to

I use a sponge at the end of the intake tube to prevent this from happening.I use a spare sponge that is used inside the filter .You use the intake tube to start a hole in the sponge and then a exacto knife or something sharp to cut the hole deeper till you can place it on the tube it also acts as a biological filter Heather Norton No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (5.0.0.10 - 10.100.075). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35240	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in anticipation of treating the internal issues. Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're absolutely sure your fish have it. Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their fish healthily set up for as much as several years. Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us or go right to the manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only in that they both contain Acriflavin. Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), should you need to know. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on > the keyboard. > > Thanks for all the help! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change > their formulas. > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather > Victoria Green. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..>< ((((:> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<: ((((><74/`7.88. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

Turbocoupe76 said... among other things: "...I was told that running a fast current in a tank helps bring up the PH because it makes the Limestone(buffer) that the county LI, NY puts in the water, evaporate. Is this true???..." Limestone would buffer up the water and increase hardness allowing the pH to increase or at least not decrease... but I think you may have misread what they are adding. I understand that some utilities add Lime (not Limestone) to the water to buffer it up... that is, raise the pH to keep the water from being acidic and corroding the pipes. If this Lime breaks down, it would actually result in your pH lowering. The faster flowing (agitated) water would outgas CO2 better which would raise the pH since CO2 in the water causes a lower pH. Here's a snip from a water utilities website... Corrosion Control EBMUD adds calcium hydroxide (lime) or sodium hydroxide to the water at the source or at water treatment plants to control corrosion. Using lime to achieve a slightly alkaline chemical balance prevents the water from corroding EBMUD's distribution pipes and consumers' plumbing. This keeps substances like lead from leaching out of plumbing fixtures and into the drinking water. These next two sites actually have pretty simple explanations of how they treat their waters if you want to read more and get a general idea on what's done before you get to drink it.. one in the USA, one in Canada... http://www.ebmud.com/water_&_environment/water_quality/water_treatment_plant s/ http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/water_treatment/water_treatment/treatment_proces s.asp Try to find a similar page on your own water utility treatment plant's website for more details on what is done to your tap water. Adding salt and especially Marine Salt would increase the hardness of the water. You should do the 48 hour tap water baseline test on your tap water to really find out what your starting point is so you will then know how far off your tanks are getting from the baseline. See my blog for details in my article "Find Your Tap / Source Water Baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml WooHoo... I was curious if anyone else had been writing about this so I just did a Google on - find your tap water baseline - and my article came up at the top of Google's search. Yes, Brine Shrimp are easy to hatch but they can also be a little work since they do die off quickly in the DIY breeding chambers like 2-liter coke bottles, however if you set up a tank strictly for breeding brine shrimp, they can live for several months and keep re-breeding so you could constantly net some live ones to feed your fish. They do have fish food brands that sell frozen brine shrimp cubes which are easier to use. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up I started a brackish water tank with a 3/4" bumblebee goby and a 1.5" male guppy. They are in a 10 gallon tank. It has a small rock cave and a couple of plastic plants and a 5" long piece of black rigid tube from an old canister filter (use as a hiding spot?) Im using a thin layer (1/4") of small aquarium gravel as substrate. For filtration I am using an Aquaclear 100 or Mini with the sponge from an AQ30 and their bag of Biostone. I am not running any carbon. I also am using AQ powerhead 10. PH is at 7.8. I dont know how it got that Alkaline but im told that where it should be for brackish as all my other tropical aquariums except the guppy tanks are 7.0-7.2. The guppy tanks are also high alkaline. Im was told that running a fast current in a tank helps bring up the PH because it makes the Limestone(buffer) that the county LI, NY) puts in the water evaporate. Is this true??? Salinity is at 1.006. Is this a good area to be in. I was told to put 2 TBSP of Instant Ocean per gal of water. I bought an IO Hydrometer and this is where its at. The Goby seems to tolerate freeze dried bloodworms and wont eat tubifex worms. He loves live brine shrimp though! Are brine shrimp easy to hatch. The LFS said that the Brine will only live about 24-36 hours. I dont want to buy live shrimp everyday. any thoughts? Sorry I ask so many different questions. even when my previous ones dont get answered right away. Its my adhd. I live my life like I ask my questions. I jump around alot. Its lets me have my own business and have 6 aquariums 5 dogs 15 fainting goats 25 chickens 2 pheasants 7 cats 3 hermit crabs all smack dab in the middle of NY suburbia!! Plus I cant sleep more than 4 hours a night LOL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35242	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Food Question -- Ray! - Acriflavin

Hi Dan and DebG, Just want to bring to your attention, that I've posted replies to both of you guys' messages, and I'm posting this as I don't see them appearing as email. I don't know if you and the general membership have seen these emails: it may just be a Yahoogroup delay (indefinite?) as I don't believe they're lost; at least I hope not. I note they were both included in the archives even though they're not showing as email (at least not here), so unless I'm wrong they're not lost. You may find them if you go to: Message # 35211 (1/3/09 9:42AM) - Fish Food Question Message # 35240 (1/4/09 8:40AM) - Ray! - Acriflavin Sorry 'bout that -- I don't know why this happened -- or maybe you did get these emails and it's just me who didn't. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35243	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

First, a brackish water tank will naturally have a higher pH than your other tanks simply by the nature of the water. You do not say how you are making the water brackish, the specific gravity of the water in your brackish tank is OK. You should use a good quality marine salt, as you are doing, and vary the specific gravity a little bit both up and down since many fish experience changes in the wild of the salinity of the water, either by moving their location from place to place, or simply by having a higher influx of freshwater into their environment, such as may be produced by rainfall, or an increase in the flow of freshwater coming into the area, or a reduction in the amount of freshwater available to moderate the salinity. What are your baseline pH values of your water from the tap? Take a sample as you would be doing a water change, and measure the pH. Let the water sit and measure again at 24 and 48 hours. This will give you a baseline pH, and the measurement after 48 hours should be close to what you see in your freshwater tanks. I do not know what your water company is adding to the water. You need to get a copy of the yearly report that is issued by them on the water. Look on their web site for a copy. Water chemistry is very complex. Water has natural buffers which maintain a certain pH level. Modifying those buffers can lead to unwanted results, so you do need to be careful when modifying them, especially trying to reduce the pH. Water companies will buffer the water to increase the pH to help save their pips, but this effect is only temporary. Agitating the water, as you mention with a high water flow, or by other methods, will speed the dissipation of the chemicals used, but even letting the water sit will lead to the same result. Brine shrimp are easy to hatch, and you might want to consider trying it, maybe one batch a week for all your tanks--a small amount of eggs makes a large number of baby brine shrimp, and all your fish would enjoy the treat. There are innumerable articles on the web describing how to hatch brine shrimp. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up > > I started a brackish water tank with a 3/4" bumblebee goby and a 1.5" > male guppy. They are in a 10 gallon tank. It has a small rock cave and > a couple of plastic plants and a 5" long piece of black rigid tube from > an old canister filter (use as a hiding spot?) Im using a thin layer > (1/4") of small aquarium gravel as substrate. For filtration I am using > an Aquaclear 100 or Mini with the sponge from an AQ30 and their bag of > Biostone. I am not running any carbon. I also am using AQ powerhead 10. > > PH is at 7.8. I dont know how it got that Alkaline but im told that > where it should be for brackish as all my other tropical aquariums > except the guppy tanks are 7.0-7.2. The guppy tanks are also high > alkaline. Im was told that running a fast current in a tank helps bring > up the PH because it makes the Limestone(buffer) that the county LI, NY) > puts in the water evaporate. Is this true??? > > Salinity is at 1.006. Is this a good area to be in. I was told to put 2 > TBSP of Instant Ocean per gal of water. I bought an IO Hydrometer and > this is where its at. > > The Goby seems to tolerate freeze dried bloodworms and wont eat tubifex > worms. He loves live brine shrimp though! Are brine shrimp easy to > hatch. The LFS said that the Brine will only live about 24-36 hours. I > dont want to buy live shrimp everyday. any thoughts? > > Sorry I ask so many different questions. even when my previous ones > dont get answered right away. Its my adhd. I live my life like I ask my > questions. I jump around alot. Its lets me have my own business and > have 6 aquariums 5 dogs 15 fainting goats 25 chickens 2 pheasants 7 > cats 3 hermit crabs all smack dab in the middle of NY suburbia!! Plus > I cant sleep more than 4 hours a night LOL > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35244	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: posted new pics in my album :)

i finally figured out how to get my pics off my camera and onto my PC :) without emailing them to myself ...... these are some of the fish i saw that look interesting the orange fish are the ones in the 12 foot tank at the LFS Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35245	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: powder blue dwarf grami

Leanna, You have not given your water parameter measurements. Your tank is probably beginning to cycle, a process which normally takes 6-8 weeks from start to finish, though there are a few ways to help it move along faster. It is very important to keep track of your pH, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate during this period, so you know how the cycle is progressing. I would not be surprised if you lost more fish during this period, as this period can be very hard on your fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:30 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: powder blue dwarf grami > > my tank has been up for 3 weeks.... > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > The smaller neons could be troublesome when introduced to a new home. > > They seem to have a much higher death rate than older, more mature > > neons. Is this a newly set up tank, or have you maintained it for some > > time. What are your water parameters--pH, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates? > > > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35246	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Food Question -- Ray! - Acriflavin

I just got on at 10 AM and your message was in my mailbox, so I guess the issue fixed itself. Hmmmm . . . how did you stumble on the initial for my maiden name? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> Hi Dan and DebG, Just want to bring to your attention, that I've posted replies to both of you guys' messages, and I'm posting this as I don't see them appearing as email. . . . . .

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35247	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. ;-) http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, CAS 569-64-2) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the same CAS number 569-64-2) http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of synonyms) http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, Aniline Green and others) And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological stain.) According to API's website and the MSDS on their site http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" product from API. Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that other good stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in anticipation of treating the internal issues. Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're absolutely sure your fish have it. Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their fish healthily set up for as much as several years. Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us or go right to the manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only in that they both contain Acriflavin. Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), should you need to know. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on > the keyboard. > > Thanks for all the help! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change > their formulas. > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather > Victoria Green. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > parasites? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35248	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

I guess I have gone barmy, then, lol. No memory at all. I'm not seeing Lucille flashing a lot, but when she does it is on the sides of her abdomen, where I am also seeing the pale yellow-orange, kind of like she's been into the Cheetos. Again, she's a goldfish, so this could be a color change, and the red on her tail tips is taming down to an orange color, too. Also I'm seeing a touch of orange on her pelvic fins. I don't want to treat for anything that's not there, but I do want the right stuff on hand just in case. I think I'll order the liquid online, because PetSmart, while having it online, does not have it in the store near me. The bubble head of a girl that I talked to at PetSmart also didn't seem bothered by the fact that the yellow liquid from one of the API Nitrate test kits was leaking from the bottle. Even after I pointed out the hazard symbols on the box, she just wanted to know if I wanted it in a bag. No, I wanted her to get if off the shelf before some kid got it on their hands. I already had some on my hand and she directed me to their hand sanitizer dispenser - sigh. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in anticipation of treating the internal issues. Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're absolutely sure your fish have it. Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their fish healthily set up for as much as several years. Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us or go right to the manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only in that they both contain Acriflavin. Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), should you need to know. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on > the keyboard. > > Thanks for all the help! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change > their formulas. > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather > Victoria Green. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > parasites? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35249	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

OK. I'm going to go take an aspirin, now. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. ;-) http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, CAS 569-64-2) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the same CAS number 569-64-2) http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of synonyms) http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, Aniline Green and others) And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological stain.) According to API's website and the MSDS on their site http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" product from API. Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that other good stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in anticipation of treating the internal issues. Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're absolutely sure your fish have it. Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their fish healthily set up for as much as several years. Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us or go right to the manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only in that they both contain Acriflavin. Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), should you need to know. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on > the keyboard. > > Thanks for all the help! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change > their formulas. > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather > Victoria Green. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Or did you mean... acetysalicylic acid, So you're doing acid now.. hmmmm? LOL Synonyms: 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid; salicylic acid acetate; acetysalicylic acid http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a7686.htm OR Synonyms: aspirin, 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid, acetyl salicylic acid, O-acetylsalicylic acid, acetol, acetophen, A.S.A., ASA, acenterine, acetosal, 2-acetoxybenzoic acid, entrophen, rodine, numerous further trade names http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/AC/acetylsalicylic_acid.html LOL.. now you know why they come up with trade names for the drugs they sell us. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin OK. I'm going to go take an aspirin, now. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. ;-) http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, CAS 569-64-2) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the same CAS number 569-64-2) http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of synonyms) http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, Aniline Green and others) And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological stain.) According to API's website and the MSDS on their site http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" product from API. Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that other good stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in anticipation of treating the internal issues. Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're absolutely sure your fish have it. Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their fish healthily set up for as much as several years. Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us or go right to the manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only in that they both contain Acriflavin. Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), should you need to know. Later, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's Ick > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the Fungus Cure > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene blue in my > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my memory, > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in print so > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out drooling on > the keyboard. > > Thanks for all the help! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and dosages are in > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the Contact Us > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do change > their formulas. > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely different > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but rather > Victoria Green. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus cure would > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to go by > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder form and it > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how does it > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not just when > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and bacteria, but how > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35251	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Deb, I sent you a reply to this earlier this morning. It has not been seen by me in my emails (I'm assuming you haven't received it as email either), but can be found on the Group-site, in the Archives as message # 35240; you should be able to find it there. I've sent a message to the other mods to make a reply to it so that it would show up as email, even though it won't be the first message in the thread. Haven't seen anything yet, so try the Archives in the meantime. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35252	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: fish food question

Dan, If you saw my most recent message to DebG, you'll know my posts aren't going through as emails, but can be found in the Archives. I answered your Fish Food Question post yesterday morning. You can find it in the Archives as message # 35211. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35253	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:08 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > Or did you mean... acetysalicylic acid, > > So you're doing acid now.. hmmmm? LOL > > Synonyms: 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid; salicylic acid acetate; acetysalicylic > acid http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a7686.htm > > OR > > Synonyms: aspirin, 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid, acetyl salicylic acid, > O-acetylsalicylic acid, acetol, acetophen, A.S.A., ASA, acenterine, > acetosal, 2-acetoxybenzoic acid, entrophen, rodine, numerous further trade > names > http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/AC/acetylsalicylic_acid.html > > LOL.. now you know why they come up with trade names for the drugs they sell > us. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > OK. I'm going to go take an aspirin, now. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:35 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is > a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., > etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to > registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a > website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as > saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their > ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was > just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. > > TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and > was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, > although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or > possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. > > > You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. > ;-) > > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html > (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, > CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green > Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the > same CAS number 569-64-2) > http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of > synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of > synonyms) > > http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The > National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 > with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, > Aniline Green and others) > > And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called > aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC > name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a > toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a > topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial > infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological > stain.) > > According to API's website and the MSDS on their site > http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see > Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS > 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water > solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" > product from API. > > Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so > you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that > other good stuff. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that > Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my > most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended > your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus > problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured > then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. > But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in > anticipation of treating the internal issues. > > Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID > Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't > find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not > stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it > treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're > absolutely sure your fish have it. > Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine > off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, > often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can > exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a > host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich > and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can > bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. > It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. > Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their > fish healthily set up for as much as several years. > > Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using > it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the > post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this > liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and > Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time > as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it > compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium > Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, > Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. > > The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, > Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green > 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria > Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered > version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web > sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us > or go right to the > manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. > Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 > (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. > > While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication > contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's > Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus > Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only > in that they both contain Acriflavin. > > Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when > this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole > ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite > Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a > Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica > Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), > should you need to know. Later, Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's > Ick > > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the > Fungus Cure > > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene > blue in my > > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my > memory, > > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in > print so > > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out > drooling on > > the keyboard. > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and > dosages are in > > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the > Contact Us > > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do > change > > their formulas. > > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely > different > > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but > rather > > Victoria Green. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus > cure would > > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to > go by > > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder > form and it > > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how > does it > > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not > just when > > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and > bacteria, but how > > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35254	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

LaLaLaLaLa! Not hearing you! LaLaLaLaLa! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Or did you mean... acetysalicylic acid, So you're doing acid now.. hmmmm? LOL Synonyms: 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid; salicylic acid acetate; acetysalicylic acid http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a7686.htm OR Synonyms: aspirin, 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid, acetyl salicylic acid, O-acetylsalicylic acid, acetol, acetophen, A.S.A., ASA, acenterine, acetosal, 2-acetoxybenzoic acid, entrophen, rodine, numerous further trade names http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/AC/acetylsalicylic_acid.html LOL.. now you know why they come up with trade names for the drugs they sell us. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager OK. I'm going to go take an aspirin, now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. ;-) http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, CAS 569-64-2) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the same CAS number 569-64-2) http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of synonyms) http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, Aniline Green and others) And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological stain.) According to API's website and the MSDS on their site http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" product from API. Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that other good stuff. Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35255	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Poof! Just like that! Headache gone. Now we're talkin' in terms I can understand. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35256	From: Walden Nida	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ray! - Acriflavin

Acriflavin Neutral can be purchased from the National Fish Pharmacy. If used at 5 times the dosage it is very effective and is a one dose treatment. It will cure even outbreaks of resistant strains of velvet. Wally [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35257	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Ray! - Acriflavin

Hello Steve, Back in business again thanks to your call to our mutual friend Lee Finley. I'm at least getting emails again -- all had stopped mid morning today. I don't know yet if I'll be receiving my own group messages (posted by myself) but I'll soon see. I never thought to look for the easier solution to my problem as by now I'm expecting the worst. Many thanks again. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > What, no mention of willow bark? > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:08 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > Or did you mean... acetysalicylic acid, > > > > So you're doing acid now.. hmmmm? LOL > > > > Synonyms: 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid; salicylic acid acetate; acetysalicylic > > acid http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a7686.htm > > > > OR > > > > Synonyms: aspirin, 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid, acetyl salicylic acid, > > O-acetylsalicylic acid, acetol, acetophen, A.S.A., ASA, acenterine, > > acetosal, 2-acetoxybenzoic acid, entrophen, rodine, numerous further trade > > names > > http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/AC/acetylsalicylic_acid.html > > > > LOL.. now you know why they come up with trade names for the drugs they sell > > us. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:47 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > OK. I'm going to go take an aspirin, now. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is > > a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., > > etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to > > registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a > > website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as > > saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their > > ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was > > just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. > > > > TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds > > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and > > was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, > > although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or > > possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. > > > > > > You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. > > ;-) > > > > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline% A0Green.html > > (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, > > CAS 569-64-2) > > > > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green > > Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the > > same CAS number 569-64-2) > > http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf > > > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of > > synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) > > > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of > > synonyms) > > > > http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908- 7B2840F693647B92 (The > > National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 > > with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, > > Aniline Green and others) > > > > And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called > > aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC > > name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl- aniline is a > > toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a > > topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial > > infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological > > stain.) > > > > According to API's website and the MSDS on their site > > http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see > > Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS > > 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water > > solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" > > product from API. > > > > Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so > > you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that > > other good stuff. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that > > Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my > > most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended > > your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus > > problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured > > then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. > > But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in > > anticipation of treating the internal issues. > > > > Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID > > Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't > > find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not > > stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it > > treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're > > absolutely sure your fish have it. > > Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine > > off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, > > often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can > > exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a > > host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich > > and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can > > bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. > > It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. > > Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their > > fish healthily set up for as much as several years. > > > > Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using > > it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the > > post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this > > liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and > > Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time > > as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it > > compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium > > Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, > > Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. > > > > The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, > > Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green > > 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria > > Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered > > version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web > > sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us > > or go right to the > > manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. > > Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 > > (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. > > > > While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication > > contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's > > Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus > > Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only > > in that they both contain Acriflavin. > > > > Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when > > this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole > > ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite > > Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a > > Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica > > Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), > > should you need to know. Later, Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's > > Ick > > > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the > > Fungus Cure > > > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > > > > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene > > blue in my > > > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my > > memory, > > > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in > > print so > > > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out > > drooling on > > > the keyboard. > > > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > > > > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and > > dosages are in > > > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the > > Contact Us > > > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do > > change > > > their formulas. > > > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > > > > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely > > different > > > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but > > rather > > > Victoria Green. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus > > cure would > > > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to > > go by > > > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > > > > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder > > form and it > > > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how > > does it > > > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > > > > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not > > just when > > > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and > > bacteria, but how > > > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > > > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35258	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

LOL.... guess we won't be venturing into the real names of Tylenol and Advil. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Poof! Just like that! Headache gone. Now we're talkin' in terms I can understand. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35259	From: caroline	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Commercial display tanks

when we lived in san jose, california..........I got a wonderful custom tank from....Vietnamese..who made fish store tanks...as in eating fish..for restaurants. caroline At 09:43 AM 1/3/2009, you wrote: >Any know of a company (beside Marinelands MaRS) that make the display >tanks for pet stores? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35260	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Lenny, Many, many thanks for clarifying that -- I do appreciate it. Not being entirely sure as I was first posting this, I fell into the same trap that I warn others not to do. I searched the 'Net and came up with what appeared to be these two medications each being a separate dye from one another. Looks like the CAS number says it all. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is > a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., > etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to > registered MSDS sheets... as long as the CAS number is the same... so when a > website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it's the same as > saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their > ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was > just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. > > TheGAB's list of OTC fish meds > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and > was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, > although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or > possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. > > > You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o... it's still a future french fry to me. > ;-) > > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline% A0Green.html > (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, > CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green > Hydrochloride as the "name" but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the > same CAS number 569-64-2) > http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of > synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of > synonyms) > > http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908- 7B2840F693647B92 (The > National Institute Of Health's website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 > with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, > Aniline Green and others) > > And then there's always Wikipedia. ;-) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called > aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC > name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a > toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a > topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial > infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological > stain.) > > According to API's website and the MSDS on their site > http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see > Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS > 8048-52-0... they do not list the other 99.6% so it's probably a water > solution... but it's much different than the other "Fungus Cure Powder" > product from API. > > Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so > you don't have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that > other good stuff. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that > Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my > most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended > your using API's Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus > problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured > then -- not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it's not. > But at that time we were trying to "wean" the fish off fungus meds in > anticipation of treating the internal issues. > > Please know, as I'm fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API's LIQUID > Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can't > find that product in your LFS's, but then some of the smaller stores may not > stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it > treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you're > absolutely sure your fish have it. > Besides "flashing," which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine > off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, > often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can > exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a > host at the best opportunity; it's also a protozoan parasite just like Ich > and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can > bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. > It's known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. > Killiefish efficienato's are sometimes plagued with this after having their > fish healthily set up for as much as several years. > > Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new -- I've been using > it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this -- the > post you're referring to with your first message on this topic -- this > liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and > Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time > as I'm writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it > compares to Jungle's Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium > Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, > Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. > > The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, > Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green > 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API's Fungus Cures contain Victoria > Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered > version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on "informative" web > sites if you don't know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us > or go right to the > manufacturer's (in this case API) web page - < aquariumpharm.com >. > Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 > (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. > > While I don't see you bringing up Jungle's Fungus Clear, this medication > contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle's > Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it's closer to API's Fungus > Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only > in that they both contain Acriflavin. > > Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when > this medication is found in API's Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole > ingredient), it comes in the form of an "Oxalate" (Malachite > Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a > Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica > Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), > should you need to know. Later, Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle's > Ick > > Clear is closer to A.P.'s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the > Fungus Cure > > liquid is new, because it's not listed on the website. > > > > You're right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene > blue in my > > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don't trust my > memory, > > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see "GO TO BED" in > print so > > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out > drooling on > > the keyboard. > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > Just in case Ray doesn't answer soon... > > > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and > dosages are in > > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the > Contact Us > > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do > change > > their formulas. > > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > > > Jungle's Fungus Clear and API's Fungus Cure have completely > different > > formulas. I don't see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but > rather > > Victoria Green. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals' Fungus > cure would > > treat velvet, also, but I can't find that post and I don't want to > go by > > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > > > Also, I couldn't find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder > form and it > > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how > does it > > compare with Jungle's Fungus Guard? > > > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not > just when > > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and > bacteria, but how > > does a fish that's been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..>< > ((((:> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<: > ((((><74/`7.88. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Commercial display tanks

California Aquarium Supply makes the same kinds of displays and lists Petco, PetsMart, etc. in their references. http://www.casco-group.com/index_SWF.html Click on the Store Fixtures link on the right side or the 3-D Store Design on the left side. Here's a 15' long, former Walmart/Marineland setup, for sale on eBay for $3,000.00... I was curious what these things sold for used. LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/MARS-MARINELAND-AQUARIUM-FISH-TANKS-RETAIL-DISPLAY_W0QQi temZ390001350039QQihZ026QQcategoryZ46701QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l 1262 If link breaks, go to eBay and search for - MARS MARINELAND AQUARIUM FISH TANKS RETAIL DISPLAY - and you'll find it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Commercial display tanks when we lived in san jose, california..........I got a wonderful custom tank from....Vietnamese..who made fish store tanks...as in eating fish..for restaurants. caroline At 09:43 AM 1/3/2009, you wrote: >Any know of a company (beside Marinelands MaRS) that make the display >tanks for pet stores? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35262	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

\\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" out. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35263	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

I hear Mardel's MaraWin will cure Winrot... maybe a 30 minute dip in a 0.3% salt solution would work too... at least at making sure you have to get a new computer. ;-) I never heard of Winrot before either but I've never tried keeping a machine around that long either. I usually upgrade every few years. This article says that Vista is the cure for Winrot! http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050808-5181.html I've never had to reinstall XP Home or Pro although I know it was common for it to be done on earlier versions of Windows. From reading the article, it looks like my regimen of defragging, check disk, registry cleaning and keeping my computers clean of malware does wonders... although I do find that I need to reboot them at least once a week or they'll start to get sluggish... kind of like a power nap for the rest of us. I do still have my first strictly business computer in storage... a hyperfast 80-286 processor with, I think 8MB of processing speed with a Turbo button increasing it to 12MB and a HUGE 10MB hard drive.. man that thing could do anything. ;-) Cost me around $3,000.00 at Office Depot. Times have sure changed. I wish I would have saved every computer I've ever had for a mini-museum one day but between floods and hurricanes, it's hard to keep stuff in storage for too long down here... but so far that 80-286 keeps surviving. I always say, hurricanes (and floods) are God's way of saying we have too much junk... although lots of good stuff gets ruined too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray \\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" out. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35264	From: bill1433	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

A Warning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Anyone that really believes that Windows Vista is a cure for anything needs to contact me immediately!    I have some prime New Jersey swamp land that you may be interested in and also a bridge in New York City that you might that enjoy owning-------free!   Bill --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 3:21 PM I hear Mardel's MaraWin will cure Winrot... maybe a 30 minute dip in a 0.3% salt solution would work too... at least at making sure you have to get a new computer. ;-) I never heard of Winrot before either but I've never tried keeping a machine around that long either. I usually upgrade every few years. This article says that Vista is the cure for Winrot! http://arstechnica. com/news. ars/post/ 20050808- 5181.html I've never had to reinstall XP Home or Pro although I know it was common for it to be done on earlier versions of Windows. From reading the article, it looks like my regimen of defragging, check disk, registry cleaning and keeping my computers clean of malware does wonders... although I do find that I need to reboot them at least once a week or they'll start to get sluggish... kind of like a power nap for the rest of us. I do still have my first strictly business computer in storage... a hyperfast 80-286 processor with, I think 8MB of processing speed with a Turbo button increasing it to 12MB and a HUGE 10MB hard drive.. man that thing could do anything. ;-) Cost me around $3,000.00 at Office Depot. Times have sure changed. I wish I would have saved every computer I've ever had for a mini-museum one day but between floods and hurricanes, it's hard to keep stuff in storage for too long down here... but so far that 80-286 keeps surviving. I always say, hurricanes (and floods) are God's way of saying we have too much junk... although lots of good stuff gets ruined too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray \\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" out. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35265	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Window's Vista Home Premium and above seem to be working fine for home computer users with clean installs. I haven't had a single problem with my laptop that I couldn't attribute to 3rd party software or my own ignorance of the new OS... mainly the UAC. All of the programs that I run on a regular basis, like IE-7 and OL-2003, security programs, etc., have worked without a problem once I took a minute to learn about the UAC security/protection on Vista. Now some others like Yahoo Messenger (which is usually problematic on any computer) gave me some tech issues yesterday with Runtime errors but I quickly figured out the problem was Yahoo Plug-Ins and eliminated them (I also help folks on the Yahoo_Messenger Yahoo Group and helped at least one other person having this same issue). Window's Vista Ultimate even beat out Mac's OSX-10 in a hacker-resistant contest in 2008 but Linux was the ultimate victor of the contest as the safest OS. Mac's OSX-10 failed in the first day where Window's Vista didn't fail until they started allowing secondary programs as gateways into the OS. Are there still lots of programs that won't run on Vista? Yes.. just like there were lots of programs that did not run on XP when it came out. Are there still kinks that need to be worked out.. yep.. just like on every new OS that has ever come out, regardless of the creator of the OS... but five years from now, when Microsoft's new OS is all that's available, we'll all be saying... "Keep Vista.. it's perfect and everything works with it".. and then the cycle will continue. For folks needing a new home computer to do what most home users do, it's fine... as long as they're not trying to run non-Vista compatible software and realize that even some of the software will still have bugs. I understand there's still a lot of kinks with the popular business software but oftentimes.. and most likely, it's the user who creates many of the problems and then blames it on Microsoft. Also, because of the UAC, less people will install crap on their computers that makes so much trouble for the rest of us trying to keep ours clean. For folks that tried to install Vista on top of XP... well they should remember back when any other OS was installed on top of an existing OS and the problems that occurred. While it can be done, it's best to start off clean. Here's MS's article on "Windows Vista - Top 10 things you can do" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/discover/top-10-things-to-do. aspx And for fair and balanced reporting, here's TechRepublic's article on "Top 10 Windows Vista annoyances" http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6170816.html I'm glad you give away your NJ swampland... I sell mine down here... interested??? And you even get some nice surfing action a couple of times a year, cutting and carving through all the cypress trees all the way up to N'Awlins. It's all in how you sell it! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray A Warning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Anyone that really believes that Windows Vista is a cure for anything needs to contact me immediately!    I have some prime New Jersey swamp land that you may be interested in and also a bridge in New York City that you might that enjoy owning-------free!   Bill --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 3:21 PM I hear Mardel's MaraWin will cure Winrot... maybe a 30 minute dip in a 0.3% salt solution would work too... at least at making sure you have to get a new computer. ;-) I never heard of Winrot before either but I've never tried keeping a machine around that long either. I usually upgrade every few years. This article says that Vista is the cure for Winrot! http://arstechnica. com/news. ars/post/ 20050808- 5181.html I've never had to reinstall XP Home or Pro although I know it was common for it to be done on earlier versions of Windows. From reading the article, it looks like my regimen of defragging, check disk, registry cleaning and keeping my computers clean of malware does wonders... although I do find that I need to reboot them at least once a week or they'll start to get sluggish... kind of like a power nap for the rest of us. I do still have my first strictly business computer in storage... a hyperfast 80-286 processor with, I think 8MB of processing speed with a Turbo button increasing it to 12MB and a HUGE 10MB hard drive.. man that thing could do anything. ;-) Cost me around $3,000.00 at Office Depot. Times have sure changed. I wish I would have saved every computer I've ever had for a mini-museum one day but between floods and hurricanes, it's hard to keep stuff in storage for too long down here... but so far that 80-286 keeps surviving. I always say, hurricanes (and floods) are God's way of saying we have too much junk... although lots of good stuff gets ruined too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray \\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" out. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35266	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

easy tylenol is acetometophrin   advil is iburprofin/motrin -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 1:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin LOL.... guess we won't be venturing into the real names of Tylenol and dvil. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder ish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right ide, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- rom: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On ehalf Of Menagerie_Manager ent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:53 AM o: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ubject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Poof! Just like that! Headache gone. Now we're talkin' in terms I an understand. DebR and the Three Goldfish CB, Lucille, and Raven) ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve// ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to he reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT INE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.· ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35267	From: hank voss	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: >Bill: I dont know anything about Vista but But I lived in Jersey for 60 yrs and would be interested in some of that "free" swamp land since its going for $300,000-$400,000 an acre 30 yrs ago.Let me know when I can expect the land deeds, Regards Hank > ============================================================ > > A Warning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >   > Anyone that really believes that Windows Vista is a cure > for anything needs to contact me immediately!  >   > I have some prime New Jersey swamp land that you may be > interested in and also a bridge in New York City that you might > that enjoy owning-------free! >   > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > \\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized > all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just > expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle > all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as > new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I > would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there > regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is > well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" > out. Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35268	From: bill1433	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Hank,   Take care of that great sense of humor!    Good hearing from you,   Bill --- On Sun, 1/4/09, hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: From: hank voss <aatetras@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:20 PM --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: >Bill: I dont know anything about Vista but But I lived in Jersey for 60 yrs and would be interested in some of that "free" swamp land since its going for $300,000-$400, 000 an acre 30 yrs ago.Let me know when I can expect the land deeds, Regards Hank > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= === > > A Warning!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!! >   > Anyone that really believes that Windows Vista is a cure > for anything needs to contact me immediately!  >   > I have some prime New Jersey swamp land that you may be > interested in and also a bridge in New York City that you might > that enjoy owning------ -free! >   > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT for Ray > > \\Steve//, While on the subject (and to make it short), I never realized > all that with Winrot as a steady deterioration of a machine. I just > expected that since a machine (PC) is designed and built to smoothly handle > all aspects of the internet that its designed to do, that it should run as > new after it's cleaned out of extraneous junk. Malware is another thing I > would not suspect, although I know crap has a way of sneaking in there > regardless of many anti-virus and anti-spam safeguards. Yep, my machine is > well over 8 years old. Guess its time for a new one before it gets "rotted" > out. Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35269	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Amber, I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at the directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" in the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the only place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? Thanks, Jim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@...> wrote: > > Amber, > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking > for... > > Jim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and maybe > a > > little better variety), try > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > better > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum 350 > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various > spare > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to > the > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they are > > > made by > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link to > > > see if > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > pcatid=3595 > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > pcatid=3595> > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom of > the > > > hoses > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > > wondering > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of > the > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn brown > > > instead > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, hehe). I > > > would > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved down > > > them to > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are careful, > > > don't > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > > forget > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > lengths). > > > If > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's easy > > > enough > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would make > sure > > > you > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > > point in > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the > hose > > > to > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I > would > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > > tighten > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any outflowing > if > > > the > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are still > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of forgetting > to > > > turn > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all > sorts > > > of > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > course I > > > had > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, > LOL). I > > > made > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water (make > sure > > > to > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > owners > > > didn't > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both sides > of > > > the > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them and > > > pulling > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open the > > > valves > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get the > lid > > > off > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do this > > > make > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what was > in > > > the > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > incident > > > I > > > > had, LOL. > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > swear, > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as > you're > > > not > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at > me, > > > LOL). > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free to > let > > > me > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > quirks in > > > the > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- wheel > but > > > it's > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself goes. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the > 5/8" > > > tubing > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in place > of > > > those > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better off > > > getting > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement > rubber > > > > > bands... > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in > line" > > > on your > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't start > to > > > suck > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35270	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

Thanks guys! I dont have any PH problem in my tanks but I wanted to know if the higher ph values where something that I did or was it a fluke that I got the brackish tank in the area that I wanted. My Ph at the tap is 6.8 24 hours its between 6.8-7.0. I do have a GE smart water filter on the main waterline coming into my house. I have an over abundance of iron in my water (South Shore problem), so I just have the basic mineral filter in it. I dont have it set up to remove sand, silt or chlorine as it get clogged up faster. To make the brackish water I mix 2 tbsp per gallon of dechlor water and I end up with a salinity of 1.006. LFS said Limestone but SCWA website comnfirms that it is Lime that is added o= --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > First, a brackish water tank will naturally have a higher pH than your > other tanks simply by the nature of the water. You do not say how you > are making the water brackish, the specific gravity of the water in your > brackish tank is OK. You should use a good quality marine salt, as you > are doing, and vary the specific gravity a little bit both up and down > since many fish experience changes in the wild of the salinity of the > water, either by moving their location from place to place, or simply by > having a higher influx of freshwater into their environment, such as may > be produced by rainfall, or an increase in the flow of freshwater coming > into the area, or a reduction in the amount of freshwater available to > moderate the salinity. > > What are your baseline pH values of your water from the tap? Take a > sample as you would be doing a water change, and measure the pH. Let the > water sit and measure again at 24 and 48 hours. This will give you a > baseline pH, and the measurement after 48 hours should be close to what > you see in your freshwater tanks. > > I do not know what your water company is adding to the water. You need > to get a copy of the yearly report that is issued by them on the water. > Look on their web site for a copy. Water chemistry is very complex. > Water has natural buffers which maintain a certain pH level. Modifying > those buffers can lead to unwanted results, so you do need to be careful > when modifying them, especially trying to reduce the pH. Water companies > will buffer the water to increase the pH to help save their pips, but > this effect is only temporary. Agitating the water, as you mention with > a high water flow, or by other methods, will speed the dissipation of > the chemicals used, but even letting the water sit will lead to the same > result. > > Brine shrimp are easy to hatch, and you might want to consider trying > it, maybe one batch a week for all your tanks--a small amount of eggs > makes a large number of baby brine shrimp, and all your fish would enjoy > the treat. There are innumerable articles on the web describing how to > hatch brine shrimp. > > \\Steve// >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35271	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: part 2

after 48 hours the water tested at 7.4 o=

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35272	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system does not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that the rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad or something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not going to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a good pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and then if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach water (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of course). Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at the > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" in > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the only > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@...> wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking > > for... > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > maybe > > a > > > little better variety), try > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web> > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > better > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum > 350 > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various > > spare > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to > > the > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they > are > > > > made by > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link > to > > > > see if > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > pcatid=3595 > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom > of > > the > > > > hoses > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > > > wondering > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of > > the > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > brown > > > > instead > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > hehe). I > > > > would > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > down > > > > them to > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > careful, > > > > don't > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > > > forget > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > lengths). > > > > If > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's > easy > > > > enough > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > make > > sure > > > > you > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > > > point in > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the > > hose > > > > to > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I > > would > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > > > tighten > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > outflowing > > if > > > > the > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > still > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > forgetting > > to > > > > turn > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all > > sorts > > > > of > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > course I > > > > had > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, > > LOL). I > > > > made > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > (make > > sure > > > > to > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > owners > > > > didn't > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > sides > > of > > > > the > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them > and > > > > pulling > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open > the > > > > valves > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > the > > lid > > > > off > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do > this > > > > make > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what > was > > in > > > > the > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > incident > > > > I > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > swear, > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as > > you're > > > > not > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at > > me, > > > > LOL). > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free > to > > let > > > > me > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > quirks in > > > > the > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > wheel > > but > > > > it's > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > goes. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the > > 5/8" > > > > tubing > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > place > > of > > > > those > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better > off > > > > getting > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement > > rubber > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in > > line" > > > > on your > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > start > > to > > > > suck > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35273	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

Be careful of advise from your LFS... if they don't even know what's in your local water... or maybe you just got an ill-informed employee. ;-) This thread has been trimmed too much but if I remember right, your FW tanks had a pH of 7.2... right? If your 48 hour baseline is only coming up to 7.0, it's unusual for your tanks to be up to 7.2 unless you have something else in them that is leaching buffers. Do you have any natural rocks or any other additives (crushed coral, buffer-up bottled chemicals that shouldn't be used, etc.) that you haven't told us about? It's nothing to be alarmed about if you aren't having problems but it's still always a good thing to know exactly what is going on with your tanks chemistry... even though folks rarely need to change it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up Thanks guys! I dont have any PH problem in my tanks but I wanted to know if the higher ph values where something that I did or was it a fluke that I got the brackish tank in the area that I wanted. My Ph at the tap is 6.8 24 hours its between 6.8-7.0. I do have a GE smart water filter on the main waterline coming into my house. I have an over abundance of iron in my water (South Shore problem), so I just have the basic mineral filter in it. I dont have it set up to remove sand, silt or chlorine as it get clogged up faster. To make the brackish water I mix 2 tbsp per gallon of dechlor water and I end up with a salinity of 1.006. LFS said Limestone but SCWA website comnfirms that it is Lime that is added o= --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > First, a brackish water tank will naturally have a higher pH than your > other tanks simply by the nature of the water. You do not say how you > are making the water brackish, the specific gravity of the water in your > brackish tank is OK. You should use a good quality marine salt, as you > are doing, and vary the specific gravity a little bit both up and down > since many fish experience changes in the wild of the salinity of the > water, either by moving their location from place to place, or simply by > having a higher influx of freshwater into their environment, such as may > be produced by rainfall, or an increase in the flow of freshwater coming > into the area, or a reduction in the amount of freshwater available to > moderate the salinity. > > What are your baseline pH values of your water from the tap? Take a > sample as you would be doing a water change, and measure the pH. Let the > water sit and measure again at 24 and 48 hours. This will give you a > baseline pH, and the measurement after 48 hours should be close to what > you see in your freshwater tanks. > > I do not know what your water company is adding to the water. You need > to get a copy of the yearly report that is issued by them on the water. > Look on their web site for a copy. Water chemistry is very complex. > Water has natural buffers which maintain a certain pH level. Modifying > those buffers can lead to unwanted results, so you do need to be careful > when modifying them, especially trying to reduce the pH. Water companies > will buffer the water to increase the pH to help save their pips, but > this effect is only temporary. Agitating the water, as you mention with > a high water flow, or by other methods, will speed the dissipation of > the chemicals used, but even letting the water sit will lead to the same > result. > > Brine shrimp are easy to hatch, and you might want to consider trying > it, maybe one batch a week for all your tanks--a small amount of eggs > makes a large number of baby brine shrimp, and all your fish would enjoy > the treat. There are innumerable articles on the web describing how to > hatch brine shrimp. > > \\Steve// > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35274	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Amber, Thanks anyway, I will be calling Marineland tomorrow and hopefully get the answer from them. I am replacing the tubing because the previous owner used a "thick" tubing which is had to bend and seat on the plactic valves etc. on the filter system. I found a thinner tubing with the same ID radius. Jim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system does > not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that the > rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad or > something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not going > to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a good > pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and then > if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach water > (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of course). > > Amber > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at the > > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" in > > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the only > > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@> wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking > > > for... > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > > maybe > > > a > > > > little better variety), try > > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web> > > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > > better > > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum > > 350 > > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various > > > spare > > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to > > > the > > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they > > are > > > > > made by > > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link > > to > > > > > see if > > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > > pcatid=3595 > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom > > of > > > the > > > > > hoses > > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > > > > wondering > > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of > > > the > > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > > brown > > > > > instead > > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > > hehe). I > > > > > would > > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > > down > > > > > them to > > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > > careful, > > > > > don't > > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > > > > forget > > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > > lengths). > > > > > If > > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's > > easy > > > > > enough > > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > > make > > > sure > > > > > you > > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > > > > point in > > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the > > > hose > > > > > to > > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I > > > would > > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > > > > tighten > > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > > outflowing > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > > still > > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > > forgetting > > > to > > > > > turn > > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all > > > sorts > > > > > of > > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > > course I > > > > > had > > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, > > > LOL). I > > > > > made > > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > > (make > > > sure > > > > > to > > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > > owners > > > > > didn't > > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > > sides > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them > > and > > > > > pulling > > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open > > the > > > > > valves > > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > > the > > > lid > > > > > off > > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do > > this > > > > > make > > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what > > was > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > > incident > > > > > I > > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > > swear, > > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as > > > you're > > > > > not > > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at > > > me, > > > > > LOL). > > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free > > to > > > let > > > > > me > > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > > quirks in > > > > > the > > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > > wheel > > > but > > > > > it's > > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > > goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the > > > 5/8" > > > > > tubing > > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > > place > > > of > > > > > those > > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better > > off > > > > > getting > > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement > > > rubber > > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in > > > line" > > > > > on your > > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > > start > > > to > > > > > suck > > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: part 2

Oops.. disregard that part of that previous post. I now see your tap goes up to 7.4 so that's why the tanks are in the 7.2 range. The natural ecology of a tank will slowly lower the pH over time which is why we do PWC's to remove the waste water and replenish the minerals, etc., in the water that keeps the water stabile in the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] part 2 after 48 hours the water tested at 7.4 o= ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35276	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

I do run a bottle brush through my Rena Filstar tubes every couple of years, although it's probably not necessary, but I don't think there's a reason to disinfect them unless you are completely breaking down a tank to disinfect the entire system from some kind of pathogen. The algae in the tubes will only return anyhow.. it's natural. If you do decide to use a bleach solution, after rinsing, sink the hose in water with a quadruple dose of dechlor to make sure even a single drop of bleach water doesn't get into your system. Even a drop of bleach is very harmful to a tanks ecology... and the fish themselves. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Tube clamps..... I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system does not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that the rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad or something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not going to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a good pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and then if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach water (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of course). Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at the > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" in > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the only > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@...> wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking > > for... > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > maybe > > a > > > little better variety), try > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web> > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > better > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum > 350 > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various > > spare > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to > > the > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they > are > > > > made by > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link > to > > > > see if > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > pcatid=3595 > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom > of > > the > > > > hoses > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > > > wondering > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of > > the > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > brown > > > > instead > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > hehe). I > > > > would > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > down > > > > them to > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > careful, > > > > don't > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > > > forget > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > lengths). > > > > If > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's > easy > > > > enough > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > make > > sure > > > > you > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > > > point in > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the > > hose > > > > to > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I > > would > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > > > tighten > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > outflowing > > if > > > > the > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > still > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > forgetting > > to > > > > turn > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all > > sorts > > > > of > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > course I > > > > had > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, > > LOL). I > > > > made > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > (make > > sure > > > > to > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > owners > > > > didn't > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > sides > > of > > > > the > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them > and > > > > pulling > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open > the > > > > valves > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > the > > lid > > > > off > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do > this > > > > make > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what > was > > in > > > > the > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > incident > > > > I > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > swear, > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as > > you're > > > > not > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at > > me, > > > > LOL). > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free > to > > let > > > > me > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > quirks in > > > > the > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > wheel > > but > > > > it's > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > goes. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the > > 5/8" > > > > tubing > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > place > > of > > > > those > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better > off > > > > getting > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement > > rubber > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in > > line" > > > > on your > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > start > > to > > > > suck > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35277	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Thanks, Lenny.... Jim In a message dated 1/4/2009 6:29:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I do run a bottle brush through my Rena Filstar tubes every couple of years, although it's probably not necessary, but I don't think there's a reason to disinfect them unless you are completely breaking down a tank to disinfect the entire system from some kind of pathogen. The algae in the tubes will only return anyhow.. it's natural. If you do decide to use a bleach solution, after rinsing, sink the hose in water with a quadruple dose of dechlor to make sure even a single drop of bleach water doesn't get into your system. Even a drop of bleach is very harmful to a tanks ecology... and the fish themselves. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Tube clamps..... I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system does not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that the rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad or something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not going to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a good pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and then if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach water (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of course). Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at the > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" in > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the only > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@..J> wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was looking > > for... > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > maybe > > a > > > little better variety), try > > > _http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) > <_http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) > > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > better > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a Magnum > 350 > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get various > > spare > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed me to > > the > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think they > are > > > > made by > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a link > to > > > > see if > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > > > pcatid=3595 > > > > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and bottom > of > > the > > > > hoses > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. I'm > > > > wondering > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during removal of > > the > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > brown > > > > instead > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > hehe). I > > > > would > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > down > > > > them to > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > careful, > > > > don't > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all over, > > > > forget > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > lengths). > > > > If > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, it's > easy > > > > enough > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > make > > sure > > > > you > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the weak > > > > point in > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around the > > hose > > > > to > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, so I > > would > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't over > > > > tighten > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > outflowing > > if > > > > the > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > still > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > forgetting > > to > > > > turn > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured all > > sorts > > > > of > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > course I > > > > had > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off rather, > > LOL). I > > > > made > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > (make > > sure > > > > to > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > owners > > > > didn't > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > sides > > of > > > > the > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating them > and > > > > pulling > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you open > the > > > > valves > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > the > > lid > > > > off > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you do > this > > > > make > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from what > was > > in > > > > the > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > incident > > > > I > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > swear, > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long as > > you're > > > > not > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you laugh at > > me, > > > > LOL). > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel free > to > > let > > > > me > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > quirks in > > > > the > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > wheel > > but > > > > it's > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > goes. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace the > > 5/8" > > > > tubing > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > place > > of > > > > those > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I better > off > > > > getting > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up replacement > > rubber > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that is "in > > line" > > > > on your > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > start > > to > > > > suck > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35278	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Not so easy... Tylenol = Synonyms: Acetaminophen, Paracetamol; N-(4-Hydroxyphenyl)acetamide, abensanil, acamol, acetagesic, alpinyl, alvedon, anaflon, anelix, anhiba, calpol, datril, dirox, doliprane, dymadon, enelfa, eneril, exdol, febrilix, febrolin, fendon, finimal, hedex, homoolan, lonarid, lyteca syrup, multin, panadol, phendon, valdol, valgesic, N-(p-hydroxyphenyl)acetamide, acetaminophen, naprinol, 4-hydroxyacetanilide, paracetamol, numerous further trade names Advil = Synonyms: adran, 4-isobutylhydratropic acid, 2-(4-isobutylphenyl)propionic acid, motrin, nurofen, proflex, nuprin, napacetin, rebugen, ibuprofen, brufanic, alpha-methyl-4-(2-methylpropyl)benzeneacetic acid, p-isobutylhyudratropic acid, 2-(4-isobutylphenyl)-propionic acid, 4-isobutyl-alpha-methylphenylacetic acid, numerous other trade names DebR... is your headache back? At least you have lots of analgesic options. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin easy tylenol is acetometophrin   advil is iburprofin/motrin -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 1:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin LOL.... guess we won't be venturing into the real names of Tylenol and dvil. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder ish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right ide, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- rom: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On ehalf Of Menagerie_Manager ent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:53 AM o: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ubject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Poof! Just like that! Headache gone. Now we're talkin' in terms I an understand. DebR and the Three Goldfish CB, Lucille, and Raven) ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve// ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to he reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT INE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.· ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35279	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: German Blue Ram Breeding

Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have been going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than that things have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You may remember that i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they like each other and are breeding. They have covered a small portion of a slate rock i have in my tank with eggs. they are still going at it infact. Does anyone have any specific reading material on this whole process? I would like to know expected incubation periods and such. i pulled up some general info about how to tell when they may start to spawn but nothing more detailed. For anyone who would like a look I setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right side of my tank, and pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, and come on again at 10 AM east. http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ Thanks all! --Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35280	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

They shoot horses, don't they? LOL DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> . . . . . DebR... is your headache back? At least you have lots of analgesic options. LOL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35281	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up

I am not familiar with the Filter system you mention, but, beside the iron it pulls out, it may be reducing the amount of calcium in the water. This, plus an abundance of CO2 in the water may account for the 6.8 pH at the start, and the higher pH as the water outgases the CO2. While the good marine mixes include buffers to increase the pH of the water, I'd lay my money on your ending pH to be just pure luck. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > turbocoupe76 > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up > > Thanks guys! > > I dont have any PH problem in my tanks but I wanted to know if the > higher ph values where something that I did or was it a fluke that I > got the brackish tank in the area that I wanted. > > My Ph at the tap is 6.8 24 hours its between 6.8-7.0. I do have a GE > smart water filter on the main waterline coming into my house. I have > an over abundance of iron in my water (South Shore problem), so I > just have the basic mineral filter in it. I dont have it set up to > remove sand, silt or chlorine as it get clogged up faster. > > To make the brackish water I mix 2 tbsp per gallon of dechlor water > and I end up with a salinity of 1.006. > > LFS said Limestone but SCWA website comnfirms that it is Lime that is > added > > o= > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > First, a brackish water tank will naturally have a higher pH than > your > > other tanks simply by the nature of the water. You do not say how > you > > are making the water brackish, the specific gravity of the water in > your > > brackish tank is OK. You should use a good quality marine salt, as > you > > are doing, and vary the specific gravity a little bit both up and > down > > since many fish experience changes in the wild of the salinity of > the > > water, either by moving their location from place to place, or > simply by > > having a higher influx of freshwater into their environment, such > as may > > be produced by rainfall, or an increase in the flow of freshwater > coming > > into the area, or a reduction in the amount of freshwater available > to > > moderate the salinity. > > > > What are your baseline pH values of your water from the tap? Take a > > sample as you would be doing a water change, and measure the pH. > Let the > > water sit and measure again at 24 and 48 hours. This will give you a > > baseline pH, and the measurement after 48 hours should be close to > what > > you see in your freshwater tanks. > > > > I do not know what your water company is adding to the water. You > need > > to get a copy of the yearly report that is issued by them on the > water. > > Look on their web site for a copy. Water chemistry is very complex. > > Water has natural buffers which maintain a certain pH level. > Modifying > > those buffers can lead to unwanted results, so you do need to be > careful > > when modifying them, especially trying to reduce the pH. Water > companies > > will buffer the water to increase the pH to help save their pips, > but > > this effect is only temporary. Agitating the water, as you mention > with > > a high water flow, or by other methods, will speed the dissipation > of > > the chemicals used, but even letting the water sit will lead to the > same > > result. > > > > Brine shrimp are easy to hatch, and you might want to consider > trying > > it, maybe one batch a week for all your tanks--a small amount of > eggs > > makes a large number of baby brine shrimp, and all your fish would > enjoy > > the treat. There are innumerable articles on the web describing how > to > > hatch brine shrimp. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35282	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding

What is the red/orange and white thing stuck to the front of the tank? What is the black/white spotted thing by the Ram's slate.. an empty snail shell? You might want to put a night light on near that end so the parents can keep a better eye on any predators. Was that an oto or small cory that would occasionally sneak onto the slate.... maybe for some caviar? BTW... the JS mode worked best for me with IE-7.. usually about 1fps or sometimes 0.5fps. The Flash was a lot slower and not as good of an image. Be careful walking by in your skivvies. LOL Here's some good reading I have in my favorites folder... A long 12 page forum "Journal" on Ram Breeding with lots of commentary... http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3d0fc1d57f6e0cdd00 2dc0d7a74a1cc8&t=87097 Another forum thread... http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=184174&start=0&postdays=0 &postorder=asc&highlight= Various articles with info. http://dwarfcichlid.com/Microgeophagus_ramirezi.php http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/P-ramirezi.html http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/m_ramirezi.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/breed_micro_altispinosa_pt1.php http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Cichlids_newworld/index.html How difficult is it to set up a live webcam with the WebcamXP software? Is it free? Can hosting be done on any website... or even a blog? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Ram Breeding Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have been going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than that things have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You may remember that i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they like each other and are breeding. They have covered a small portion of a slate rock i have in my tank with eggs. they are still going at it infact. Does anyone have any specific reading material on this whole process? I would like to know expected incubation periods and such. i pulled up some general info about how to tell when they may start to spawn but nothing more detailed. For anyone who would like a look I setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right side of my tank, and pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, and come on again at 10 AM east. http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ Thanks all! --Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35283	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Nee-eee-eeeeh (Nah or No... in horse talk) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin They shoot horses, don't they? LOL DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> . . . . . DebR... is your headache back? At least you have lots of analgesic options. LOL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35284	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding

How fortunate for you that the fish chose a rock that you can easily view. The parents may have a hard time guarding the eggs effectively with all the other fish I am seeing in the tank. The other fish may successfully raid the eggs and/or the parents may eat them rather than utilize a lot of energy defending them. They will hatch within a few days, if they were successfully fertilized. Once they are free swimming they will eat microscopic foods, and may be gradually be weaned to finely ground flake food, and/or newly hatched brine shrimp, and/or a homemade food, of which there are many recipes available. It will be difficult to ensure the fry get enough to eat in a community tank to grow well. Also, there is still the question of defense from the other tank inhabitants. If you are truly intent on breeding them, and raising the fry with or without the adults, you should set them up in their own tank, maybe a 10 gallon, and let them go at it. Once they have bred, you can watch the interaction, or move the parents back to the main tank. I am sure there are good articles out there on the breeding and raising of the fry of rams, but cannot quote them for you off hand. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Ram Breeding > > Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have > been going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than > that things have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You > may remember that i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they > like each other and are breeding. They have covered a small portion of > a slate rock i have in my tank with eggs. they are still going at it > infact. Does anyone have any specific reading material on this whole > process? I would like to know expected incubation periods and such. i > pulled up some general info about how to tell when they may start to > spawn but nothing more detailed. For anyone who would like a look I > setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right side of my tank, and > pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, and come on > again at 10 AM east. > > http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ > > Thanks all! > > --Dave >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35285	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding

ThanksLenny. Webcamxp has a free version that requires the logo you see in the bottom corner. I happen to own a domain and a website, which i used the domain and added the fish cam to that. It runs off my local home computer where everything you see is served from. you could set it up to work with a blog i would think. The software has options to upload snapshots every few minutes or seconds or whatever. that might work for you. www.webcamxp.com is the site where you can find some info on price details and features you get with each version. im using the free one just to show off the tank now that this has happened so everyone can see whats going on. The biggest pests so far have been the angel. he/she keeps coming to their corner as it was previously his. they shew him away. so far they have been pretty good about keeping everyone away. There is a cory cat, high fin i think? and a border loach that will wander over to the rock and sit around. i also have a sucker mouth in there. he will scoot around the side of the tank soemtimes. Now that i know they have paired up, ill get together a 10/20 gallon tank for them and perhaps next time they will be better off. Thanks for all the reading. Ill dig into that tomorrow. --Dave On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > What is the red/orange and white thing stuck to the front of the tank? What > is the black/white spotted thing by the Ram's slate.. an empty snail shell? > > You might want to put a night light on near that end so the parents can keep > a better eye on any predators. Was that an oto or small cory that would > occasionally sneak onto the slate.... maybe for some caviar? > > BTW... the JS mode worked best for me with IE-7.. usually about 1fps or > sometimes 0.5fps. The Flash was a lot slower and not as good of an image. > Be careful walking by in your skivvies. LOL > > Here's some good reading I have in my favorites folder... > A long 12 page forum "Journal" on Ram Breeding with lots of commentary... > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3d0fc1d57f6e0cdd00 > 2dc0d7a74a1cc8&t=87097 > > Another forum thread... > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=184174&start=0&postdays=0 > &postorder=asc&highlight= > > Various articles with info. > > http://dwarfcichlid.com/Microgeophagus_ramirezi.php > > http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/P-ramirezi.html > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/m_ramirezi.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/breed_micro_altispinosa_pt1.php > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Cichlids_newworld/index.html > > How difficult is it to set up a live webcam with the WebcamXP software? Is > it free? Can hosting be done on any website... or even a blog? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Ram Breeding > > Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have been > going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than that things > have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You may remember that > i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they like each other and are > breeding. They have covered a small portion of a slate rock i have in my > tank with eggs. they are still going at it infact. Does anyone have any > specific reading material on this whole process? I would like to know > expected incubation periods and such. i pulled up some general info about > how to tell when they may start to spawn but nothing more detailed. For > anyone who would like a look I setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right > side of my tank, and pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, > and come on again at 10 AM east. > > http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ > > Thanks all! > > --Dave > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35286	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Commercial display tanks

i saw one online that was 20 feet long, 8 feet high and i forget how wide .............. it was only $47,000.00 and change Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Commercial display tanks California Aquarium Supply makes the same kinds of displays and lists Petco, PetsMart, etc. in their references. http://www.casco-group.com/index_SWF.html Click on the Store Fixtures link on the right side or the 3-D Store Design on the left side. Here's a 15' long, former Walmart/Marineland setup, for sale on eBay for $3,000.00... I was curious what these things sold for used. LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/MARS-MARINELAND-AQUARIUM-FISH-TANKS-RETAIL-DISPLAY_W0QQi temZ390001350039QQihZ026QQcategoryZ46701QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l 1262 If link breaks, go to eBay and search for - MARS MARINELAND AQUARIUM FISH TANKS RETAIL DISPLAY - and you'll find it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Commercial display tanks when we lived in san jose, california..........I got a wonderful custom tank from....Vietnamese..who made fish store tanks...as in eating fish..for restaurants. caroline At 09:43 AM 1/3/2009, you wrote: >Any know of a company (beside Marinelands MaRS) that make the display >tanks for pet stores? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35287	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Im sorry I have ADHD! brackish water set up -Turbocoupe76

I have an over abundance of iron in my water (South Shore problem), so I just have the basic mineral filter in it. I dont have it set up to remove sand, silt or chlorine as it get clogged up faster. do you mean the South Shore of Montreal,Qc ????? Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35288	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

The tubing that comes with the filter is pretty thick, so they probably had the standard tubing that came with it, unless for some reason they wanted even thicker tubing (not sure why someone would). The tubing on the filter is fairly stiff, not made to bend very easily, not sure about the bio wheel part. Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > Thanks anyway, I will be calling Marineland tomorrow and hopefully > get the answer from them. I am replacing the tubing because the > previous owner used a "thick" tubing which is had to bend and seat on > the plactic valves etc. on the filter system. I found a thinner > tubing with the same ID radius. > > Jim > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system > does > > not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that > the > > rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad > or > > something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not > going > > to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a > good > > pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and > then > > if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach > water > > (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of > course). > > > > Amber > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at > the > > > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" > in > > > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the > only > > > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was > looking > > > > for... > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > > > maybe > > > > a > > > > > little better variety), try > > > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web> > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web>> > > > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > > > better > > > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a > Magnum > > > 350 > > > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get > various > > > > spare > > > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed > me to > > > > the > > > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think > they > > > are > > > > > > made by > > > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a > link > > > to > > > > > > see if > > > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?>> > > > > pcatid=3595 > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?>> > > > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and > bottom > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > hoses > > > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. > I'm > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during > removal of > > > > the > > > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > > > brown > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > > > hehe). I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > > > down > > > > > > them to > > > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > > > careful, > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all > over, > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > > > lengths). > > > > > > If > > > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, > it's > > > easy > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > > > make > > > > sure > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the > weak > > > > > > point in > > > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around > the > > > > hose > > > > > > to > > > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, > so I > > > > would > > > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't > over > > > > > > tighten > > > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > > > outflowing > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > > > still > > > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > > > forgetting > > > > to > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured > all > > > > sorts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > > > course I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off > rather, > > > > LOL). I > > > > > > made > > > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > > > (make > > > > sure > > > > > > to > > > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > > > owners > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > > > sides > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating > them > > > and > > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you > open > > > the > > > > > > valves > > > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > > > the > > > > lid > > > > > > off > > > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you > do > > > this > > > > > > make > > > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from > what > > > was > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > > > incident > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > > > swear, > > > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long > as > > > > you're > > > > > > not > > > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you > laugh at > > > > me, > > > > > > LOL). > > > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel > free > > > to > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > > > quirks in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > > > wheel > > > > but > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > > > goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace > the > > > > 5/8" > > > > > > tubing > > > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > > > place > > > > of > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I > better > > > off > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up > replacement > > > > rubber > > > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that > is "in > > > > line" > > > > > > on your > > > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > > > start > > > > to > > > > > > suck > > > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35289	From: Darlene	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

now Lenny you shouldn't try and confuse the poor people, not everyone knows all those names and most people can even pronounce them LOLOLOL Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Not so easy... Tylenol = Synonyms: Acetaminophen, Paracetamol; N-(4-Hydroxyphenyl)acetamide, abensanil, acamol, acetagesic, alpinyl, alvedon, anaflon, anelix, anhiba, calpol, datril, dirox, doliprane, dymadon, enelfa, eneril, exdol, febrilix, febrolin, fendon, finimal, hedex, homoolan, lonarid, lyteca syrup, multin, panadol, phendon, valdol, valgesic, N-(p-hydroxyphenyl)acetamide, acetaminophen, naprinol, 4-hydroxyacetanilide, paracetamol, numerous further trade names Advil = Synonyms: adran, 4-isobutylhydratropic acid, 2-(4-isobutylphenyl)propionic acid, motrin, nurofen, proflex, nuprin, napacetin, rebugen, ibuprofen, brufanic, alpha-methyl-4-(2-methylpropyl)benzeneacetic acid, p-isobutylhyudratropic acid, 2-(4-isobutylphenyl)-propionic acid, 4-isobutyl-alpha-methylphenylacetic acid, numerous other trade names DebR... is your headache back? At least you have lots of analgesic options. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin easy tylenol is acetometophrin advil is iburprofin/motrin -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 1:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin LOL.... guess we won't be venturing into the real names of Tylenol and dvil. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder ish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right ide, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- rom: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On ehalf Of Menagerie_Manager ent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:53 AM o: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ubject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin Poof! Just like that! Headache gone. Now we're talkin' in terms I an understand. DebR and the Three Goldfish CB, Lucille, and Raven) ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> What, no mention of willow bark? \\Steve// ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to he reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT INE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.· ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35290	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: hi everyone, new to site...

wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, bought as a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if those are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females for him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete orange/red on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line below.. he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" pineapples" sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue to them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same fish pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of the ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from some online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my tank... want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has two red velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are racist...lol thnx tim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35291	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Tube clamps.....

Amber, thanks for looking and letting me know..... It will help when I call tomorrow.. Jim In a message dated 1/4/2009 9:18:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: The tubing that comes with the filter is pretty thick, so they probably had the standard tubing that came with it, unless for some reason they wanted even thicker tubing (not sure why someone would). The tubing on the filter is fairly stiff, not made to bend very easily, not sure about the bio wheel part. Amber Jim Pat. wrote: > > Amber, > > Thanks anyway, I will be calling Marineland tomorrow and hopefully > get the answer from them. I am replacing the tubing because the > previous owner used a "thick" tubing which is had to bend and seat on > the plactic valves etc. on the filter system. I found a thinner > tubing with the same ID radius. > > Jim > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I would love to answer that question but unfortunately my system > does > > not have the bio wheels on it, so I'm not sure. But I can say that > the > > rest of the system uses larger tubing. Is the old tubing really bad > or > > something? I would just reuse that piece as you're most likely not > going > > to be able to see it from the front of the tank are you? Just get a > good > > pipe scrubbing brush to shove into the tubing to clean it out, and > then > > if you want to really make sure to kill anything soak it in bleach > water > > (but make sure to rinse it really well before using it again of > course). > > > > Amber > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I am in the process of replacing all the tubing and in looking at > the > > > directions it appears that between the Bio-wheels back to the "t" > in > > > the return line it is 1/2" ID tubing, is that right? Is that the > only > > > place on the filter that 1/2" is used?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the site link, they have the spare parts I was > looking > > > > for... > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No problem, also if you want a cheaper place to get them (and > > > maybe > > > > a > > > > > little better variety), try > > > > > _http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) > <_http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) > > > > <_http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) > <_http://www.thatpetphttp://wwhttp://www.thhttp://www.thathtt_ (http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23666/category.web) >> > > > > > I got my replacement parts from that site, they tend to have a > > > > better > > > > > selection than DFS in the parts department at least ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information about the pump, yes it is a > Magnum > > > 350 > > > > > > with a dual bio-wheel. I was also looking where to get > various > > > > spare > > > > > > parts like the "O" ring and the link you provided pointed > me to > > > > the > > > > > > parts for the 350 as well.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your Marineland 350 actually a Magnum 350? (I think > they > > > are > > > > > > made by > > > > > > > marineland if I remember correctly), or here, I'll add a > link > > > to > > > > > > see if > > > > > > > it's the same filter. > > > > > > > _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.dr<WBR>display_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > > > > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) >> > > > > pcatid=3595 > > > > > > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > > > > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) > <_http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.d_ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?) >> > > > > pcatid=3595> > > > > > > > If so mine only has hose clamps on the top parts and > bottom > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > hoses > > > > > > > that connect to the intake/outtake and the filter itself. > I'm > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > why you're replacing them unless they broke during > removal of > > > > the > > > > > > > hosing. Your filter hoses will quickly get dirty and turn > > > brown > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > of clear (they should have been a solid color hose IMO, > > > hehe). I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > have just reused them and used a pipe cleaner brush shoved > > > down > > > > > > them to > > > > > > > scrub them out, also you can boil the hoses if you are > > > careful, > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > want to melt them, LOL (they sell the pipe cleaners all > over, > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > precisely what they are called but they come in different > > > > lengths). > > > > > > If > > > > > > > you already threw the hoses out that's not a big deal, > it's > > > easy > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > to find the right sized hosing for the filter. > > > > > > > If you're going to replace the rubber hose clamps I would > > > make > > > > sure > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get something tight enough to keep pressure as that's the > weak > > > > > > point in > > > > > > > the hose the connectors all have parts that screw around > the > > > > hose > > > > > > to > > > > > > > hold it onto the separators on the middle of the hoses, > so I > > > > would > > > > > > > recommend at least the old style metal clamps, but don't > over > > > > > > tighten > > > > > > > them LOL. You also will not have to worry about any > > > outflowing > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > power goes off with this filter, as long as your hoses are > > > still > > > > > > > connected of course, LOL. I once made the mistake of > > > forgetting > > > > to > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > off one end of the separators on the hoses and out poured > all > > > > sorts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > water after I disconnected it, but it took a second so of > > > > course I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > to scramble to turn it off (turn the flow valve off > rather, > > > > LOL). I > > > > > > made > > > > > > > the hugest mess though! > > > > > > > So anyways when your filter is up and running with water > > > (make > > > > sure > > > > > > to > > > > > > > put water in the canister to prime it in case the previous > > > > owners > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > leave you with instructions) in it make sure to turn both > > > sides > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > valves off before separating, and then after separating > them > > > and > > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > the filter out for it's regular cleaning make sure you > open > > > the > > > > > > valves > > > > > > > on the filter end so that the suction stops so you can get > > > the > > > > lid > > > > > > off > > > > > > > (another one of my clever incidents, LOL). Also when you > do > > > this > > > > > > make > > > > > > > sure to have your filter in the sink or a large > > > > bucket/rubbermaid > > > > > > > container because there will be a little overflow from > what > > > was > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > hoses pouring out when you take the lid off, also another > > > > incident > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had, LOL. > > > > > > > Yes I may have been one of the 3 stooges in a past life, I > > > > swear, > > > > > > > although I'm sure it's rather funny to watch me (as long > as > > > > you're > > > > > > not > > > > > > > within hearing distance so I can't smack ya when you > laugh at > > > > me, > > > > > > LOL). > > > > > > > If you have any other questions about this filter feel > free > > > to > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > know, I'll try to help, God knows I've come across enough > > > > quirks in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > darn thing, LOL. I have the deluxe version without a bio- > > > wheel > > > > but > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not much different I'm sure as far as the canister itself > > > goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Pat. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started to clean the Marineland 350 and replace > the > > > > 5/8" > > > > > > tubing > > > > > > > > and have one question. Can you use plastic tie wraps in > > > place > > > > of > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > small rubber bands for the hose connections or am I > better > > > off > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > small hose clamps to use? OR should I order up > replacement > > > > rubber > > > > > > > > bands... > > > > > > > > One more thing, do you guys/gals use anything that > is "in > > > > line" > > > > > > on your > > > > > > > > air pumps so when the power cuts off those items don't > > > start > > > > to > > > > > > suck > > > > > > > > water out of the tank..... > > > > > > > > Maybe I worry to much about all these connections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35292	From: jett07002	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Hi Dewdude; I don't know how long you've had your fish, but they are just like any other animal. They may be too young yet, or they may just not be "comfortable" in your tank set up to be thinking about sex. You didn't mention how large the tank was and how many other fish you have in there with them, so it's difficult to answer. As for the fish in the LFS (Local Fish Stores) you really cannot tell too much about the colors of the fish in those tanks since, in most cases, they may not be in good conditions to bring out their colors; they may not be fed right; and, most of all, if there's a large turn around in the store, the fish may have just come from a rough trip on their way to the store. All of the above may make these poor fish not look up to their full potential. It is usually a good idea to ask how long the fish have been in the store. If they haven't been there very long, shipping may be the reason for their appearance. Other than low long they've been in the store (..and hopefully you'll get a truthful answer..)I would not trust any other information they might give you. Unless you are dealing with an exceptional LFS, most of the attendants have part time jobs for some spending money and really do not know a hell of a lot about fish. Just my (experienced) opinion. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@...> wrote: > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, bought as > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if those > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females for > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete orange/red > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line below.. > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" pineapples" > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue to > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same fish > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of the > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from some > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my tank... > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has two red > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are racist...lol > > thnx > > tim >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35293	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding

oh, the orange thing is a veggie clip thing i got for my sucker fish. He never seems to interested in anything i put in there :P lol On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > What is the red/orange and white thing stuck to the front of the tank? What > is the black/white spotted thing by the Ram's slate.. an empty snail shell? > > You might want to put a night light on near that end so the parents can keep > a better eye on any predators. Was that an oto or small cory that would > occasionally sneak onto the slate.... maybe for some caviar? > > BTW... the JS mode worked best for me with IE-7.. usually about 1fps or > sometimes 0.5fps. The Flash was a lot slower and not as good of an image. > Be careful walking by in your skivvies. LOL > > Here's some good reading I have in my favorites folder... > A long 12 page forum "Journal" on Ram Breeding with lots of commentary... > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3d0fc1d57f6e0cdd00 > 2dc0d7a74a1cc8&t=87097 > > Another forum thread... > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=184174&start=0&postdays=0 > &postorder=asc&highlight= > > Various articles with info. > > http://dwarfcichlid.com/Microgeophagus_ramirezi.php > > http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/P-ramirezi.html > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/m_ramirezi.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/breed_micro_altispinosa_pt1.php > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Cichlids_newworld/index.html > > How difficult is it to set up a live webcam with the WebcamXP software? Is > it free? Can hosting be done on any website... or even a blog? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Ram Breeding > > Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have been > going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than that things > have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You may remember that > i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they like each other and are > breeding. They have covered a small portion of a slate rock i have in my > tank with eggs. they are still going at it infact. Does anyone have any > specific reading material on this whole process? I would like to know > expected incubation periods and such. i pulled up some general info about > how to tell when they may start to spawn but nothing more detailed. For > anyone who would like a look I setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right > side of my tank, and pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, > and come on again at 10 AM east. > > http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ > > Thanks all! > > --Dave > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35294	From: greychildren	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Hi Joe welcome top the group!! glad to have you advised is always welcome. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Hi Dewdude; > I don't know how long you've had your fish, but they are just like > any other animal. They may be too young yet, or they may just not be > "comfortable" in your tank set up to be thinking about sex. You > didn't mention how large the tank was and how many other fish you have > in there with them, so it's difficult to answer. > > As for the fish in the LFS (Local Fish Stores) you really cannot > tell too much about the colors of the fish in those tanks since, in > most cases, they may not be in good conditions to bring out their > colors; they may not be fed right; and, most of all, if there's a > large turn around in the store, the fish may have just come from a > rough trip on their way to the store. All of the above may make > these poor fish not look up to their full potential. It is usually a > good idea to ask how long the fish have been in the store. If they > haven't been there very long, shipping may be the reason for their > appearance. Other than low long they've been in the store (..and > hopefully you'll get a truthful answer..)I would not trust any other > information they might give you. Unless you are dealing with an > exceptional LFS, most of the attendants have part time jobs for some > spending money and really do not know a hell of a lot about fish. > > Just my (experienced) opinion. > > joe t > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, bought as > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if those > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females for > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete orange/red > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line below.. > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" pineapples" > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue to > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same fish > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of the > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from some > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my tank... > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has two red > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > racist...lol > > > > thnx > > > > tim > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35295	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

Thanks. Do you have a URL for the National Fish Pharmacy? I tried Googling it and there are some articles and message board threads referring to it, but I can't find a website. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walden Nida" <wcnida@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Ray! - Acriflavin Acriflavin Neutral can be purchased from the National Fish Pharmacy. If used at 5 times the dosage it is very effective and is a one dose treatment. It will cure even outbreaks of resistant strains of velvet. Wally [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35296	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: An experiment has started...

Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's and what it is suppose to do. Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35297	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ray! - Acriflavin

http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/ It's National Fish Pharmaceuticals which is why you weren't getting a hit to it right away. You can probably find Acriflavin in a smaller package elsewhere. Their smallest size, 19.2 grams, appears to cost $34.+ http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/products.html DOSAGE: 19.2 grams makes 1 pint. Five drops of this stock solution per gallon of aquarium water will treat approximately 1,000 gallons of water. Dosage: 1-5 drops per gallon. (5 drops per gallon = 5ppm.) You'll still have nearly a full pint of solution after treating your tank with the 100 drops (5 drops x 20 gallons). Several other OTC meds do have acriflavin as one or more of their ingredients.. Kordon's Acriflavin has trypaflavine 3.84%. Many other meds have acriflavin as one of their ingredients such as API's Fungus Cure Powder Pack - 3 mg victoria green (aka Malachite Green HCl), 30 mg acriflavine per packet. DrsFosterSmith.com - search for Acriflavin - http://pet-supplies.drsfostersmith.com/search?p=Q&lbc=drsfostersmith&w=acrif lavin&af=cat1:fish%20type:product&isort=score&method=and&ts=results&rt=templ ate_switch_search API's Fungus Cure Powder starting at $5.79 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16820 which treats up to 50G tank with two treatments. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/add_info.cfm?pCatId=16820 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Ray! - Acriflavin Thanks. Do you have a URL for the National Fish Pharmacy? I tried Googling it and there are some articles and message board threads referring to it, but I can't find a website. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walden Nida" <wcnida@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Ray! - Acriflavin Acriflavin Neutral can be purchased from the National Fish Pharmacy. If used at 5 times the dosage it is very effective and is a one dose treatment. It will cure even outbreaks of resistant strains of velvet. Wally [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35298	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of the product. I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. Tim's. Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you finally add your fish. If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people that he doesn't think works... but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in the future. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's and what it is suppose to do. Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35299	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Not exactly the same, but I added SafeStart to my tank Saturday and the ammonia was pretty much cycled by Sunday morning. I wish I had done it a month ago, but I thought it would be cycled on its own by now. The nitrites are still readable, though. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's and what it is suppose to do. Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35300	From: Philip	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Harl, did you test the ammonia level before adding the "One and Only". I am curious? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Not exactly the same, but I added SafeStart to my tank Saturday and the > ammonia was pretty much cycled by Sunday morning. I wish I had done it a > month ago, but I thought it would be cycled on its own by now. The nitrites > are still readable, though. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:24 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I > added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see > if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's > and what it is suppose to do. > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for > 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add > more as I do the entire fishless cycle... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35301	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Monday Update (Day 19 of reduced salt; 35 total) Saturday: - 5G PWC started at 1:30pm, had a plumbing emergency and couldn't replace water until 5pm (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime, SafeStart) - Got tired of waiting for tank to cycle and figured the biomax in the filter could not have done well waiting for it to be turned back on, so I decided to try the SafeStart and see if it works - 11PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Decide against doing another PWC and give the SafeStart a chance to work Sunday: - 11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm Monday (today) -11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm (would have thought that would be higher than yesterday - there's not that much algae in the tank) I've pretty much decided Lucille is going through a color change, but I'll keep an eye on it. In the future, when I do a PWC that goes long, I'll take the biomax out of the filter and place it in a bowl of tank water until I turn the filter back on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > er - I mean Steve. I think I may have early old-timers disease. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > OK, that's good to know about the pH and time of day. I had no idea. > Thanks, Ray. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > Unless you are teetering on the edge of having enough oxygen in the tank > to support the fish, which, from the video's I saw you are not, there is > nothing to worry about. Yes, live plants will take in O2 at night and > release CO2 in turn, it is not normally enough to upset the balance. If > you test pH in the morning and in the evening in a planted tank, you > will notice a lower pH in the AM and a higher pH in the PM. This is > because the increase in CO2 overnight will lower the pH via carbonic > acid, which will be utilized by the plants during the daytime, which > will cause the pH to rise. > > This is why it is wise to do any testing of your water at approximately > the same time each day. > > \\Steve// > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Menagerie_Manager >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille >> >> What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. >> >> I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the > back >> and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes > unsightly >> and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to > kill >> it off. >> >> My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too > much >> algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35302	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Breeding

Just wanted to let everyone know that im taking the cam offline for now. Need the room for the 10 gallon tank im setting up. Thanks to those who were interested and checked it out. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:23 AM, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > oh, the orange thing is a veggie clip thing i got for my sucker fish. > He never seems to interested in anything i put in there :P lol > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> What is the red/orange and white thing stuck to the front of the tank? What >> is the black/white spotted thing by the Ram's slate.. an empty snail shell? >> >> You might want to put a night light on near that end so the parents can keep >> a better eye on any predators. Was that an oto or small cory that would >> occasionally sneak onto the slate.... maybe for some caviar? >> >> BTW... the JS mode worked best for me with IE-7.. usually about 1fps or >> sometimes 0.5fps. The Flash was a lot slower and not as good of an image. >> Be careful walking by in your skivvies. LOL >> >> Here's some good reading I have in my favorites folder... >> A long 12 page forum "Journal" on Ram Breeding with lots of commentary... >> http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3d0fc1d57f6e0cdd00 >> 2dc0d7a74a1cc8&t=87097 >> >> Another forum thread... >> http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=184174&start=0&postdays=0 >> &postorder=asc&highlight= >> >> Various articles with info. >> >> http://dwarfcichlid.com/Microgeophagus_ramirezi.php >> >> http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/P-ramirezi.html >> >> http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/m_ramirezi.php >> >> http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/breed_micro_altispinosa_pt1.php >> >> http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Cichlids_newworld/index.html >> >> How difficult is it to set up a live webcam with the WebcamXP software? Is >> it free? Can hosting be done on any website... or even a blog? >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of David Keymel >> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:02 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Ram Breeding >> >> Hey guys, I know its been a little while since I wrote in. things have been >> going very well. I had a crop up of ich recently, but other than that things >> have been sailing pretty smooth in the 40 gallon tank. You may remember that >> i had a pair of german blue rams. It looks like they like each other and are >> breeding. They have covered a small portion of a slate rock i have in my >> tank with eggs. they are still going at it infact. Does anyone have any >> specific reading material on this whole process? I would like to know >> expected incubation periods and such. i pulled up some general info about >> how to tell when they may start to spawn but nothing more detailed. For >> anyone who would like a look I setup a webcam. they are tucked in the right >> side of my tank, and pretty perfect for the cam. Lights go out at 10 PM est, >> and come on again at 10 AM east. >> >> http://fishcam.thecoderanger.com/ >> >> Thanks all! >> >> --Dave >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35303	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Next time just drop the filter media in the tank. It's not the best thing but will be OK for a few hours.. especially if you have an airstone and put the filter media over/around the air stone so it gets water circulation. The other thing you can do is make sure your filter intake is sticking down far enough so that you can do a 25% PWC without the water ever getting below the intake so you can leave them running when doing a PWC. When new, filter systems usually come with intake tube extensions to make them go pretty deep into a tank.... at least past the 25% PWC level. Hopefully the nitrite eating bacteria will kick in also. It seems like with such a low level of nitrites, the SafeStart should have kicked in 100% immediately. I hope Tetra didn't mess up the reformulation of Bio-Spira into SafeStart. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Monday Update (Day 19 of reduced salt; 35 total) Saturday: - 5G PWC started at 1:30pm, had a plumbing emergency and couldn't replace water until 5pm (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime, SafeStart) - Got tired of waiting for tank to cycle and figured the biomax in the filter could not have done well waiting for it to be turned back on, so I decided to try the SafeStart and see if it works - 11PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Decide against doing another PWC and give the SafeStart a chance to work Sunday: - 11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm Monday (today) -11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm (would have thought that would be higher than yesterday - there's not that much algae in the tank) I've pretty much decided Lucille is going through a color change, but I'll keep an eye on it. In the future, when I do a PWC that goes long, I'll take the biomax out of the filter and place it in a bowl of tank water until I turn the filter back on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > er - I mean Steve. I think I may have early old-timers disease. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > OK, that's good to know about the pH and time of day. I had no idea. > Thanks, Ray. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > Unless you are teetering on the edge of having enough oxygen in the tank > to support the fish, which, from the video's I saw you are not, there is > nothing to worry about. Yes, live plants will take in O2 at night and > release CO2 in turn, it is not normally enough to upset the balance. If > you test pH in the morning and in the evening in a planted tank, you > will notice a lower pH in the AM and a higher pH in the PM. This is > because the increase in CO2 overnight will lower the pH via carbonic > acid, which will be utilized by the plants during the daytime, which > will cause the pH to rise. > > This is why it is wise to do any testing of your water at approximately > the same time each day. > > \\Steve// > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Menagerie_Manager >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille >> >> What about reddish brown or a bit of yellow? There's also green. >> >> I've been pretty much letting the growth do what it wants on the > back >> and side walls. I remove it from the decorations when it becomes > unsightly >> and usually then I will soak them in hot water for 10 to 15 minutes to > kill >> it off. >> >> My timeshare daughter (dd's bff from HS) was concerned that too > much >> algae would use up the O2. Any chance of that? >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35304	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

If this works it will be much easier that Bio-spira! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I > added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see > if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's > and what it is suppose to do. > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for > 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add > more as I do the entire fishless cycle... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35305	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I ordered the Dr. Tim's Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% water change. My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything else a 0 - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her defense it is a fairly long list... :o) On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>wrote: > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. If > anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started dosing > ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of the product. > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the ammonia > first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. Tim's. > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you finally add > your fish. > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need to buy > the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to instantly > fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. then why the HELL > is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a crappy person to me. I > wonder how much other stuff he sells people that he doesn't think works... > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get screwed by > him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in the future. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I > added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see > if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could tell, > he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's and what > it is suppose to do. > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for > 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add > more as I do the entire fishless cycle... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Turboncoupe76, Well... you're saying that as if you don't like Bio-Spira. I hate to burst your bubble but Dr. Tim's One And Only is the new Bio-Spira. Dr. Tim Hovanec invented Bio-Spira (among many other advances in the aquarium industry) and then when Marineland sold out to Tetra, Dr. Tim formed his own company and one of the products is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The new product is more advanced than the original Bio-Spira so that it does not have to be kept refrigerated the entire time and still has a shelf life up to six months. Tetra also supposedly repackaged the new formula Bio-Spira and is selling it under the product name of SafeStart. Why don't you like Bio-Spira? As long as it was kept refrigerated until you added it to your tank, it worked. Of course, that was the dilemma... once Marineland sold product to wholesalers/retailers, they could not be certain that the wholesaler/retailer kept it refrigerated properly and then the bacteria would die off. The new product, from what I've read on Dr. Tim's white papers, uses some kind of cellular encapsulation to keep the bacteria alive or in hibernation, without refrigeration. Nothing was easier for many fish keepers, for the past eight years, than using Bio-Spira for cycling a tank and being able to add a full bioload of juvi fish the next day. Hopefully, the new formulas being sold by Dr. Tim and Tetra will perform as well or better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... If this works it will be much easier that Bio-spira! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. Then I > added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to see > if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. Tim's > and what it is suppose to do. > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle is for > 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I can add > more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35307	From: texas_tears2000	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

I have a male & female swordtails. They had babies. All babies die. My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not in the light,or direct light. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@...> wrote: > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, bought as > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if those > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females for > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete orange/red > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line below.. > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" pineapples" > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue to > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same fish > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of the > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from some > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my tank... > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has two red > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are racist...lol > > thnx > > tim >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35308	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see how experienced your fish store employee might be. It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See http://www.DrTimsAquatics.com for more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I ordered the Dr. Tim's Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% water change. My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything else a 0 - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her defense it is a fairly long list... :o) On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>wrote: > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of the product. > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. Tim's. > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > finally add your fish. > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need to > buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people that he doesn't think works... > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in the future. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, > I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35309	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Yes I did read every test I have... 0 for everything, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and a high PH of 8... On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Philip <alone29784@...> wrote: > Harl, did you test the ammonia level before adding the "One and Only". > I am curious? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > > > Not exactly the same, but I added SafeStart to my tank Saturday > and the > > ammonia was pretty much cycled by Sunday morning. I wish I had done > it a > > month ago, but I thought it would be cycled on its own by now. The > nitrites > > are still readable, though. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > > To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:24 PM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > Then I > > added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > to see > > if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. > Tim's > > and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. > bottle is for > > 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, I > can add > > more as I do the entire fishless cycle... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35310	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading this over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of your Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water to turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking for help in these apparent mysteries to you? If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand what may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very much to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good place to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given any details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the female. What size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are in this same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female to take refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can often induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger livebearer females when they're confined). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" <texas_tears2000@...> wrote: > > I have a male & female swordtails. > They had babies. > All babies die. > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not in > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, bought > as > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if those > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females for > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > orange/red > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line > below.. > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" pineapples" > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue to > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same > fish > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of the > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from > some > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my tank... > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has two > red > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > racist...lol > > > > thnx > > > > tim > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35311	From: Alina	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Snail snafu

Hi guys Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just at the bottom of the tank. The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing up the system... Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from sliding down the filter box and onto the tube? Thanks Alina

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35312	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to 3-5ppm, > seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being the max to > bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. If the initial 6 > drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per gallon would bring it > up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per gallon and then test it to > make sure your dropper isn't putting out larger drops than average... then > bumping it up to the 4th drop per gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it > gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why you got > nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him how many > goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for any fish > place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, per fancy > goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless cycle and the > nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see how experienced > your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid ammonia > you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace Brand is > only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're talking retail > products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or twice > versus the amount that would normally be used during a full fishless > cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a 12G > tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next tank as > long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAquatics.com <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com/> for more > details on shelf life and > refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait to see > how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only needed one > or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace Hardware and > purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go without fish, > since > it has been in my office for a while now, so I ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to the 4 > ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not do my > homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how much to add, > I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my dropper is .5 parts > per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per million, and tested. Then up > to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water > change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything else a > 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them when I > purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at that time. I > will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be wearing a bit thin on > all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her defense it is a fairly long > list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need to > > buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, > > I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35313	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

I sent a link of this thread to Dr. Tim's at mailto:info@... to find out for certain.. hoping they'll read it and reply promptly since this is my first time emailing them. While it's certainly best to follow the directions on a product, so that if it doesn't work properly, you can be sure if it was the product that failed or not, but it still seems like at least some of the bacteria should have caught on. What is your water temperature also? Did you use a dechlor product in your water when you filled the tank? Do you have a UV sterilizer on your tank? What other products did you add to your water besides the dechlor (if you used one) and then the ammonia and Dr. Tim's One And Only. Here's a Q & A from their troubleshooting page which talks about an ammonia level of 10ppm potentially causing problems so your 4ppm seemingly should have been OK. http://drtimsaquatics.com/Helpful_hints/One_Only_troubleshoot/One_Only_troub leshoot.html Q - I added One & Only to my tank which already had high ammonia (nitrite) and the concentrations did not drop. A - If the ammonia or nitrite concentration in the aquarium is above 10 ppm (as nitrogen) or 10 mg/L-N you should do a partial water change before adding One & Only. The reason is that these bacteria prefer low concentrations of ammonia/nitrite and can actually be inhibited by high levels of these chemicals. Thus, a tank which already has high ammonia (or nitrite) will not see results as fast as if you had added One & Only at the beginning. There are two solutions: 1) change water or 2) add more One & Only while reducing feeding until the situation resolves itself. Also read over the FAQ's page http://drtimsaquatics.com/Helpful_hints/OneandOnlyFAQs/OneandOnlyFAQs.html and the Troubleshooting page http://drtimsaquatics.com/Helpful_hints/One_Only_troubleshoot/One_Only_troub leshoot.html to see if something else could have contributed to your current issue. Let us know and I'll let you know if I hear back from Dr. Tim's directly although it would be nice if they joined the group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to > 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being > the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. > If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per > gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per > gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out > larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per > gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why > you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him > how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for > any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, > per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless > cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see > how experienced your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid > ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace > Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're > talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or > twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full > fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a > 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next > tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAquatics.com <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com/> for > more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait > to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only > needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace > Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go > without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I > ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to > the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not > do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how > much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my > dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per > million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything > else a 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them > when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at > that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be > wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her > defense it is a fairly long list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of > > the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need > > to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people > > that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in > > the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I > > could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this > > fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35314	From: Jerry	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

Hi I think netting such as used on a bridal veil could be taped or rubber banded to the inlet. This would keep everything larger than a baby guppy from going up the tube. Jerry Alina wrote: > > Hi guys > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just > at the bottom of the tank. > > The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > up the system... > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube? > > Thanks > > Alina > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35315	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

A dumb question here?  Getting ready to use this stuff myself and wonder about one small detail?  You put this stuff into the new aquarium immediately and then the fish.  Would it not be better and do a faster job with this bacteria dumping it directly into the filter box itself?   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:24 AM I sent a link of this thread to Dr. Tim's at mailto:info@drtimsaquatics .com to find out for certain.. hoping they'll read it and reply promptly since this is my first time emailing them. While it's certainly best to follow the directions on a product, so that if it doesn't work properly, you can be sure if it was the product that failed or not, but it still seems like at least some of the bacteria should have caught on. What is your water temperature also? Did you use a dechlor product in your water when you filled the tank? Do you have a UV sterilizer on your tank? What other products did you add to your water besides the dechlor (if you used one) and then the ammonia and Dr. Tim's One And Only. Here's a Q & A from their troubleshooting page which talks about an ammonia level of 10ppm potentially causing problems so your 4ppm seemingly should have been OK. http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html Q - I added One & Only to my tank which already had high ammonia (nitrite) and the concentrations did not drop. A - If the ammonia or nitrite concentration in the aquarium is above 10 ppm (as nitrogen) or 10 mg/L-N you should do a partial water change before adding One & Only. The reason is that these bacteria prefer low concentrations of ammonia/nitrite and can actually be inhibited by high levels of these chemicals. Thus, a tank which already has high ammonia (or nitrite) will not see results as fast as if you had added One & Only at the beginning. There are two solutions: 1) change water or 2) add more One & Only while reducing feeding until the situation resolves itself. Also read over the FAQ's page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/OneandOnly FAQs/OneandOnlyF AQs.html and the Troubleshooting page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html to see if something else could have contributed to your current issue. Let us know and I'll let you know if I hear back from Dr. Tim's directly although it would be nice if they joined the group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to > 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being > the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. > If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per > gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per > gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out > larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per > gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why > you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him > how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for > any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, > per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless > cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see > how experienced your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid > ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace > Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're > talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or > twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full > fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a > 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next > tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAq uatics.com <http://www.drtimsaq uatics.com/> for > more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait > to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only > needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace > Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go > without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I > ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to > the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not > do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how > much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my > dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per > million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything > else a 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them > when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at > that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be > wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her > defense it is a fairly long list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of > > the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need > > to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people > > that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in > > the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com<http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com><aquaticlife % > 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I > > could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr.. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this > > fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35316	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this???

I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35317	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Well, that would work also but the water flow through the filter would probably rinse them right into the tank anyhow. They don't come out the bottle clawing and scratching for a piece of filter media to hang onto. The bacteria are actually in kind of a hibernative state in the bottle so it takes them up to a day to come out of hibernation and then find a surface area to call home and since your filter is likely passing your tank's water through the filter a couple of times an hour, the bacteria will wake up and likely find the filter media as a nice place to call home since there's plenty of oxygenated water flowing through it. Remember.. there's no such thing as a dumb question... only a dumb answer... excluding mine, of course. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... A dumb question here?  Getting ready to use this stuff myself and wonder about one small detail?  You put this stuff into the new aquarium immediately and then the fish.  Would it not be better and do a faster job with this bacteria dumping it directly into the filter box itself?   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:24 AM I sent a link of this thread to Dr. Tim's at mailto:info@drtimsaquatics .com to find out for certain.. hoping they'll read it and reply promptly since this is my first time emailing them. While it's certainly best to follow the directions on a product, so that if it doesn't work properly, you can be sure if it was the product that failed or not, but it still seems like at least some of the bacteria should have caught on. What is your water temperature also? Did you use a dechlor product in your water when you filled the tank? Do you have a UV sterilizer on your tank? What other products did you add to your water besides the dechlor (if you used one) and then the ammonia and Dr. Tim's One And Only. Here's a Q & A from their troubleshooting page which talks about an ammonia level of 10ppm potentially causing problems so your 4ppm seemingly should have been OK. http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html Q - I added One & Only to my tank which already had high ammonia (nitrite) and the concentrations did not drop. A - If the ammonia or nitrite concentration in the aquarium is above 10 ppm (as nitrogen) or 10 mg/L-N you should do a partial water change before adding One & Only. The reason is that these bacteria prefer low concentrations of ammonia/nitrite and can actually be inhibited by high levels of these chemicals. Thus, a tank which already has high ammonia (or nitrite) will not see results as fast as if you had added One & Only at the beginning. There are two solutions: 1) change water or 2) add more One & Only while reducing feeding until the situation resolves itself. Also read over the FAQ's page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/OneandOnly FAQs/OneandOnlyF AQs.html and the Troubleshooting page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html to see if something else could have contributed to your current issue. Let us know and I'll let you know if I hear back from Dr. Tim's directly although it would be nice if they joined the group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to > 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being > the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. > If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per > gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per > gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out > larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per > gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why > you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him > how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for > any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, > per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless > cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see > how experienced your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid > ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace > Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're > talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or > twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full > fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a > 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next > tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAq uatics.com <http://www.drtimsaq uatics.com/> for > more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait > to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only > needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace > Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go > without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I > ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to > the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not > do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how > much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my > dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per > million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything > else a 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them > when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at > that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be > wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her > defense it is a fairly long list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of > > the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need > > to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people > > that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in > > the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com<http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com><aquaticlife % > 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I > > could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr.. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this > > fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35318	From: trish701922	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: new/used tanks

hello everyone and happy new year!just asking a question re setting up some tanks that i purchased used. what is the best way, ie;to rise the gravel, clean the tank, and clean the filters. the stuff hasn't been in water for a while. i wasn't sure if i treat it thesame as buying it new or if there are certain things i should be aware of when buying used stuff compared to new. i have been reading the posts on here for a while and you people give very good advice/ideas without "trying to sell me needless stuff"like most lfs do. thanks, trish

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

I think something was wrong with that snail... if it actually got stuck on the intake.. or maybe it was just trying to clean the inside of the strainer and got part of it's foot caught.. like getting a finger caught in a crack and then it started to panic and got sick as a result of the stress. I had two powerful filter systems on my tank when I had Mystery Snails (a 350GPH and a 200GPH) and they would crawl all over the intake tubes and even the filter intake strainer with no problems. I also see much smaller snails crawling around on the intake tube with no problems. A healthy fish or any other critter should not get sucked against a filter intake strainer. When this happens to a fish, it usually means the fish was already sick or weakened from something else. Now fry would certainly be at more risk since they can't swim as well, but healthy adult fish should not be affected at all... nor should snails or other healthy critters. Watch your filter intake some times. While it is certainly sucking in a lot of water, it's not nearly as strong of a suction as you might think. I regularly see a piece of detritus (small piece of leaf or poop) float by the intake within an inch or closer to the intake and not get sucked in. I've also seen a single blade of anacharis leaf get sucked onto the intake and just sit there, not getting sucked in through the slightly smaller strainer opening... same with a piece of fish poop. Now, if something was able to cover all of the slots on the intake screen, like if the snail had a large enough foot to envelope the entire strainer, that might create enough suction to cause a problem... think about putting your hand near a vacuum cleaner hose and feeling the air flow by.. no big deal... and then putting your hand over the entire opening and the amount of suction that then occurs... big difference.... like the teens who would give themselves hickeys with vacuum cleaners back in the day. Did anyone ever fall for them perfectly round hickeys? LOL OK.. back to fish. Certainly, if you have really small fish, potential for fry in the tank or a sick fish, putting a sponge or other protection over the intake (I use a small pore filter media bag on the intake of my AC-20 on my Cherry Shrimp tank since the cherry shrimp fry are so small) would help but there are millions of people running filters on their tanks without a problem so when something happens, it's usually a result of the fish or critter being sick first, not the filter system causing enough suction to cause a problem. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail snafu Hi I think netting such as used on a bridal veil could be taped or rubber banded to the inlet. This would keep everything larger than a baby guppy from going up the tube. Jerry Alina wrote: > > Hi guys > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just > at the bottom of the tank. > > The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > up the system... > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube? > > Thanks > > Alina >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35320	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Thanks Len,   Just checking on the "mechanics" of exactly how the stuff works.   ps-----the 29 in up and flying.  Direct transfer of everything including filter media, from the 5-gallon hex to it.  All is fine..........so far!   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:43 AM Well, that would work also but the water flow through the filter would probably rinse them right into the tank anyhow. They don't come out the bottle clawing and scratching for a piece of filter media to hang onto. The bacteria are actually in kind of a hibernative state in the bottle so it takes them up to a day to come out of hibernation and then find a surface area to call home and since your filter is likely passing your tank's water through the filter a couple of times an hour, the bacteria will wake up and likely find the filter media as a nice place to call home since there's plenty of oxygenated water flowing through it. Remember.. there's no such thing as a dumb question... only a dumb answer.... excluding mine, of course. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... A dumb question here?  Getting ready to use this stuff myself and wonder about one small detail?  You put this stuff into the new aquarium immediately and then the fish.  Would it not be better and do a faster job with this bacteria dumping it directly into the filter box itself?   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:24 AM I sent a link of this thread to Dr. Tim's at mailto:info@ drtimsaquatics .com to find out for certain.. hoping they'll read it and reply promptly since this is my first time emailing them. While it's certainly best to follow the directions on a product, so that if it doesn't work properly, you can be sure if it was the product that failed or not, but it still seems like at least some of the bacteria should have caught on. What is your water temperature also? Did you use a dechlor product in your water when you filled the tank? Do you have a UV sterilizer on your tank? What other products did you add to your water besides the dechlor (if you used one) and then the ammonia and Dr. Tim's One And Only. Here's a Q & A from their troubleshooting page which talks about an ammonia level of 10ppm potentially causing problems so your 4ppm seemingly should have been OK. http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html Q - I added One & Only to my tank which already had high ammonia (nitrite) and the concentrations did not drop. A - If the ammonia or nitrite concentration in the aquarium is above 10 ppm (as nitrogen) or 10 mg/L-N you should do a partial water change before adding One & Only. The reason is that these bacteria prefer low concentrations of ammonia/nitrite and can actually be inhibited by high levels of these chemicals. Thus, a tank which already has high ammonia (or nitrite) will not see results as fast as if you had added One & Only at the beginning. There are two solutions: 1) change water or 2) add more One & Only while reducing feeding until the situation resolves itself. Also read over the FAQ's page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/OneandOnly FAQs/OneandOnlyF AQs.html and the Troubleshooting page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html to see if something else could have contributed to your current issue. Let us know and I'll let you know if I hear back from Dr. Tim's directly although it would be nice if they joined the group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to > 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being > the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. > If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per > gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per > gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out > larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per > gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why > you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him > how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for > any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, > per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless > cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see > how experienced your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid > ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace > Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're > talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or > twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full > fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a > 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next > tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAq uatics.com <http://www.drtimsaq uatics.com/> for > more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait > to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only > needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace > Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go > without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I > ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to > the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not > do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how > much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my > dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per > million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything > else a 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them > when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at > that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be > wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her > defense it is a fairly long list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of > > the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need > > to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people > > that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in > > the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com<http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com><aquaticlife % > 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I > > could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr.. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this > > fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks

I wish I could sell useless stuff in forums.. I'd be a millionaire... not that I have much useless stuff laying around.. all my junk.. oops.. I mean stuff, is useful. LOL Read my recent post about cleaning driftwood.. hint: use your dishwasher for sterilizing things that can be submerged. As far as cleaning, it depends on what the issue is. Give us specifics about what item you are cleaning and what kind of "dirt" issue you are having and we can address them better. Gravel should be rinsed (I use a colander in my sink and rinse it) and used gravel should then be boiled. Don't bake it in your oven. I tried that once with the colored gravel and it puts off an awful burning plastic like smell. LOL I was trying to dry it after the boiling process, so I could put it in a box for storage and I didn't want to wait for it to air dry. The ex-wife's cookie sheets worked great for this... except for the smell.. which also reminded me of her baking. LOL Hard water build-up, the white crusty stuff, can be removed with plain white vinegar. If you search the messages section for - cleaning used tank - or - cleaning used filter - you'll likely find lots of posts with dozens of ideas.. or post your specifics and I'm sure someone will address them with a helpful hint. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trish701922 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] new/used tanks hello everyone and happy new year!just asking a question re setting up some tanks that i purchased used. what is the best way, ie;to rise the gravel, clean the tank, and clean the filters. the stuff hasn't been in water for a while. i wasn't sure if i treat it thesame as buying it new or if there are certain things i should be aware of when buying used stuff compared to new. i have been reading the posts on here for a while and you people give very good advice/ideas without "trying to sell me needless stuff"like most lfs do. thanks, trish

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Read over them two links I posted earlier with the FAQ's and Troubleshooting and you'll find out much more directly from the horses mouth.. as opposed to the end that I sometimes represent. LOL Yeah.. I know some will say that I often represent that other end. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Thanks Len,   Just checking on the "mechanics" of exactly how the stuff works.   ps-----the 29 in up and flying.  Direct transfer of everything including filter media, from the 5-gallon hex to it.  All is fine..........so far!   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:43 AM Well, that would work also but the water flow through the filter would probably rinse them right into the tank anyhow. They don't come out the bottle clawing and scratching for a piece of filter media to hang onto. The bacteria are actually in kind of a hibernative state in the bottle so it takes them up to a day to come out of hibernation and then find a surface area to call home and since your filter is likely passing your tank's water through the filter a couple of times an hour, the bacteria will wake up and likely find the filter media as a nice place to call home since there's plenty of oxygenated water flowing through it. Remember.. there's no such thing as a dumb question... only a dumb answer.... excluding mine, of course. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... A dumb question here?  Getting ready to use this stuff myself and wonder about one small detail?  You put this stuff into the new aquarium immediately and then the fish.  Would it not be better and do a faster job with this bacteria dumping it directly into the filter box itself?   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:24 AM I sent a link of this thread to Dr. Tim's at mailto:info@ drtimsaquatics .com to find out for certain.. hoping they'll read it and reply promptly since this is my first time emailing them. While it's certainly best to follow the directions on a product, so that if it doesn't work properly, you can be sure if it was the product that failed or not, but it still seems like at least some of the bacteria should have caught on. What is your water temperature also? Did you use a dechlor product in your water when you filled the tank? Do you have a UV sterilizer on your tank? What other products did you add to your water besides the dechlor (if you used one) and then the ammonia and Dr. Tim's One And Only. Here's a Q & A from their troubleshooting page which talks about an ammonia level of 10ppm potentially causing problems so your 4ppm seemingly should have been OK. http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html Q - I added One & Only to my tank which already had high ammonia (nitrite) and the concentrations did not drop. A - If the ammonia or nitrite concentration in the aquarium is above 10 ppm (as nitrogen) or 10 mg/L-N you should do a partial water change before adding One & Only. The reason is that these bacteria prefer low concentrations of ammonia/nitrite and can actually be inhibited by high levels of these chemicals. Thus, a tank which already has high ammonia (or nitrite) will not see results as fast as if you had added One & Only at the beginning. There are two solutions: 1) change water or 2) add more One & Only while reducing feeding until the situation resolves itself. Also read over the FAQ's page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/OneandOnly FAQs/OneandOnlyF AQs.html and the Troubleshooting page http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Helpful_ hints/One_ Only_troubleshoo t/One_Only_ troub leshoot.html to see if something else could have contributed to your current issue. Let us know and I'll let you know if I hear back from Dr. Tim's directly although it would be nice if they joined the group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates! Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that. Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others... does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts... On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank. On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to > 3-5ppm, seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being > the max to bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. > If the initial 6 drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per > gallon would bring it up to 1ppm. It's best to start with 3 drops per > gallon and then test it to make sure your dropper isn't putting out > larger drops than average... then bumping it up to the 4th drop per > gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you've explained your LFS guy's attitude, I understand why > you got nervous but he's obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him > how many goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That's my test for > any fish place... how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, > per fancy goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless > cycle and the nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see > how experienced your fish store employee might be. > > It's still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid > ammonia you were dosing didn't have any kind of contamination. The Ace > Brand is only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we're > talking retail products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren't medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or > twice versus the amount that would normally be used during a full > fishless cycle... but I'd still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim's One And Only should be all you need for a > 12G tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next > tank as long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAq uatics.com <http://www.drtimsaq uatics.com/> for > more details on shelf life and refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://goldlenny. > blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait > to see how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only > needed one or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace > Hardware and purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go > without fish, since it has been in my office for a while now, so I > ordered the Dr. Tim's > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to > the 4 ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not > do my homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how > much to add, I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my > dropper is .5 parts per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per > million, and tested. Then up to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything > else a 0 > - API master test kit... I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them > when I purchased the "master" test kit I would have ordered them at > that time. I will soon, but right now the wife's patience might be > wearing a bit thin on all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her > defense it is a fairly long list... :o) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com>>wrote: > > > I hope you didn't mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim's first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of > > the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn't cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria > > in Dr. > Tim's. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You'll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need > > to buy the Dr. Tim's.. it's either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim's One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn't think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers... sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people > > that > he > doesn't think works... > > but Dr. Tim's One And Only does work so at least you didn't get > > screwed by him but I'd be very leery of his product suggestions in > > the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com<http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. > > com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com><aquaticlife % > 40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started... > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim's one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I > > could tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr.. > > Tim's and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this > > fails, I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35323	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks

Hi Trish,   Easiest way I know of is, in your bathtub with a hand held showerhead attachment. Put a safety rubber shower mat down first and hose away.  For stubborn stuff a bit of table salt and some gentle scrubbing with a regular sponge should do it.  Rise, dry and your go to go.   If the tanks are old and have not had any water in them for a while check the sealant around the seams and do a pressure test by putting them somewhere safe and filling just a bit at a time and check for leaks.  This method is the very best for saving your living room rugs and a shampoo rental machine should something go wrong!   Bill   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, trish701922 <trish701922@...> wrote: From: trish701922 <trish701922@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] new/used tanks To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:58 AM hello everyone and happy new year!just asking a question re setting up some tanks that i purchased used. what is the best way, ie;to rise the gravel, clean the tank, and clean the filters. the stuff hasn't been in water for a while. i wasn't sure if i treat it thesame as buying it new or if there are certain things i should be aware of when buying used stuff compared to new. i have been reading the posts on here for a while and you people give very good advice/ideas without "trying to sell me needless stuff"like most lfs do. thanks, trish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35324	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

I have just one question. How do I remove the water spot remover stuff from the dishwasher? Knowing the answer to this would have made things a lot easier when my son put liquid Dawn in that thing, because we were out of powder and he thought that's where the liquid soap went. If anyone has ever used regular liquid dish soap in a dishwasher, the one thing you learn right away is that it takes only two or three drops to do a full load. Any more and you get a kitchen floor full of suds. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35325	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

WOW... I just got a reply from Dr. Tim, which I have partially edited below. He's actually a member of our group! I have forwarded a copy of the entire thread so far so maybe he'll answer me via email since he may not be able to log into the group if using a blackberry or other phone app for emailing from the road. I'll keep you posted with any reply. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: info [mailto:info@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: GoldLenny Subject: Re: One And Only potential issue Hello Mr Vasbinder Thanks for your email. I am a member of the group actually but I do not post as I am so busy that I cannot promise to reply in a timely manner... I have not logged in for a few days but I will respond to the post. However, I am at the start of a 9 day business trip and will not be logging in much so I will not able to respond quickly to questions and posts. Thanks again and thanks for being a supporter of DrTim's and myself. I do appreciate it. Dr Tim On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:22 AM, GoldLenny wrote: > I am one of the frequent contributors in the Yahoo Group, AquaticLife, and I've > been a long time proponent of you from back in the days when Bio-Spira > first came out. We currently have a member in our forum who was > "testing" One And Only and it seems to NOT be working properly. > Please read over this thread > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/35296 and feel > free to join our group and reply directly or you can reply to me and > I'll make sure your reply gets posted, un-edited. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35326	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I have just one question. How do I remove the water spot remover stuff from the dishwasher? Knowing the answer to this would have made things a lot easier when my son put liquid Dawn in that thing, because we were out of powder and he thought that's where the liquid soap went. If anyone has ever used regular liquid dish soap in a dishwasher, the one thing you learn right away is that it takes only two or three drops to do a full load. Any more and you get a kitchen floor full of suds. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35327	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

My dishwasher has a hole in the door into which is screwed a removable knob labeled, "rinse aid indicator." I imagine I could wash a lot of the aquarium stuff without removing the rinse fluid. I just wouldn't wash anything that could absorb it. Plastic and such could be rinsed under the faucet. BTW, the dishwasher is also good for washing baseball caps. If you get one of those plastic hat frames that they sell, you only have to recurve the brim afterward. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35328	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: OT - DebR's Dishwasher issue (was -Driftwood Cleaning & Curing..

Unless your owner's manual has details on how to empty this... will a piece of small airline tube work for sucking/siphoning most of it out? Read the links below. If you can't figure out how to remove the remaining dishwashing liquid, then run the dishwasher on just the rinse cycle several times until it's empty. During the rinse cycle, the dishwasher is using a constant flow of fresh water which is then draining out right away. During the wash cycle, the bottom of the dishwasher fills up with water and that water is constantly re-sprayed over and over which is what causes the major suds problem. You should not have this with just the rinse cycle but if you do, be prepared to stop the machine so you don't have a mess. Read this eHow AND the comments for more info. The last comment is the same as your situation. http://www.ehow.com/how_112264_correct-overflowing-dishwasher.html Here's a Yahoo Answers thread on it. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061228073024AAxX2W3 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? My dishwasher has a hole in the door into which is screwed a removable knob labeled, "rinse aid indicator." I imagine I could wash a lot of the aquarium stuff without removing the rinse fluid. I just wouldn't wash anything that could absorb it. Plastic and such could be rinsed under the faucet. BTW, the dishwasher is also good for washing baseball caps. If you get one of those plastic hat frames that they sell, you only have to recurve the brim afterward. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35329	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Hello All As Lenny said - I will have limited access over the next week and half so please have a little patience with my reply rate. In regards to this experiment: I would be interested first in knowing how you obtained the One & Only. I got a call yesterday from a customer and they said their bacteria arrived frozen from the company they bought it from because of the cold weather in their area. If the bacteria freezes then unfortunately it is dead. I tell people to consider the bacteria just like their fish and treat them the same way. If the conditions (weather, shipping, water etc) are not good for the fish then these conditions are not good for the bacteria. Second, what did you dechlorinate the water with (if anything)? Certain name brand water conditioners have a detrimental effect on nitrifying bacteria. Third, do you have substrate in your tank? I know this sounds crazy but I have had two people call and then mention that their tanks are bare bottomed with just a few decorations. The bacteria need a place to settle and grow and bare-bottom tanks are not conducive to their growth. Lastly, I do apologize for the product not meeting your expectations. If you would email me a shipping address I will replace the product promptly. Sincerely DrTim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35330	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. � His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there�s every chance in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!� Food for thought here folks.� � Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. � Thanks Dr. Tim! � Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35331	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly minuses. http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Clinopti lolite.pdf But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the bacteria... after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the bottle though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and they use them when the ship live fish. And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement to the OP without a hitch. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money.   His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for thought here folks.    Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months.   Thanks Dr. Tim!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35332	From: bill1433	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

One thing for sure---------------you ever here of anyone these days standing behind anything!  It nice to know he does.  Its also nice to know that even the "Big Guns" remember us little people!  I'm glad he's here.  Ya Len, double check on Drs. Foster's and Smith, that exxactly where its coming from.   Bill --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:44 PM That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics http://www.drtimsaq uatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly minuses. http://drtimsaquati cs.com/Library_ Presentations/ Aquarium_ Lit/assets/ Clinopti lolite.pdf But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the bacteria... after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith. com or whoever you order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the bottle though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and they use them when the ship live fish. And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement to the OP without a hitch. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021, ) just saved me a bit of money.   His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania) , coming from some mail order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for thought here folks.    Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months.   Thanks Dr. Tim!   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35333	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Tuesday Check in (Day 20 reduced salt; 36 total) - Noon: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: between 0 and .25ppm (up, sigh); Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: almost 20ppm - I hate removing good bacteria with frequent PWCs, but it looks like another week or two before I'll have the 2nd tank and water bridge ready to go. - Is the salt possibly affecting the bacteria and slowing it down? Should I stop replacing the salt during PWCs, now? - My filter (actually dd's) came with an extra end instead of an extension tube. I'll have to see what I can rig to keep the end under water during the PWCs DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Next time just drop the filter media in the tank. It's not the best thing but will be OK for a few hours.. especially if you have an airstone and put the filter media over/around the air stone so it gets water circulation. The other thing you can do is make sure your filter intake is sticking down far enough so that you can do a 25% PWC without the water ever getting below the intake so you can leave them running when doing a PWC. When new, filter systems usually come with intake tube extensions to make them go pretty deep into a tank.... at least past the 25% PWC level. Hopefully the nitrite eating bacteria will kick in also. It seems like with such a low level of nitrites, the SafeStart should have kicked in 100% immediately. I hope Tetra didn't mess up the reformulation of Bio-Spira into SafeStart. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Monday Update (Day 19 of reduced salt; 35 total) Saturday: - 5G PWC started at 1:30pm, had a plumbing emergency and couldn't replace water until 5pm (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime, SafeStart) - Got tired of waiting for tank to cycle and figured the biomax in the filter could not have done well waiting for it to be turned back on, so I decided to try the SafeStart and see if it works - 11PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Decide against doing another PWC and give the SafeStart a chance to work Sunday: - 11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm Monday (today) -11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm (would have thought that would be higher than yesterday - there's not that much algae in the tank) I've pretty much decided Lucille is going through a color change, but I'll keep an eye on it. In the future, when I do a PWC that goes long, I'll take the biomax out of the filter and place it in a bowl of tank water until I turn the filter back on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35334	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

bottom posted On 1/6/09, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@...> wrote: > > Hello All > > As Lenny said - I will have limited access over the next week and half > so please have a little patience with my reply rate. > > In regards to this experiment: > > I would be interested first in knowing how you obtained the One & > Only. I got a call yesterday from a customer and they said their > bacteria arrived frozen from the company they bought it from because > of the cold weather in their area. If the bacteria freezes then > unfortunately it is dead. I tell people to consider the bacteria just > like their fish and treat them the same way. If the conditions > (weather, shipping, water etc) are not good for the fish then these > conditions are not good for the bacteria. > > Second, what did you dechlorinate the water with (if anything)? > Certain name brand water conditioners have a detrimental effect on > nitrifying bacteria. > > Third, do you have substrate in your tank? I know this sounds crazy > but I have had two people call and then mention that their tanks are > bare bottomed with just a few decorations. The bacteria need a place > to settle and grow and bare-bottom tanks are not conducive to their > growth. > > Lastly, I do apologize for the product not meeting your expectations. > If you would email me a shipping address I will replace the product > promptly. > > Sincerely > > DrTim > I used prime for the declor as it works for the chlorine / ammonia mix. I put .5 ml in with a 5 gallon bucket. I had 2 buckets prepared and at room temp. They sat in my office for 48 hours, prior to putting it in my tank. I created the third bucket at the time of filling the tank. It was only used till the tank was full, a 12 gal. Eclipse. I modified the filter, removing the carbon and replacing it with bio max filter insert from aqua clear. I took the chunks out of the little net bag and put them where the carbon use to be. I rubber banded the end by the bio wheel to keep the top floss in place, although it seemed to stay on its own. The bio-wheel is spinning and all looks well. I have an air stone running, bubble wall, and left the light on. This all ran for 3 days, as I did not want to start the experiment till a Monday so I would be there all week, and could run get fish on that day. Looking forward to showing the LFS person that we all need to keep an open mind, as new things are discovered all the time. Figured he might start carrying the product himself if he knew it worked. And I might get a bit more respect when I come in, as he knows I do not know anything about the hobby, YET. I am a pretty quick study on any subject that interest me, and fish keeping seems to have accomplished that. The product was purchased from Dr. Foster & Smith. It was the only one that is for freshwater. (marketing tip, from the perspective of a newbie, the name of the one saltwater one is a tad bit confusing) It has a Feb. 09 date on the bottle, and it was wrapped in a Styrofoam like bag with a gel pack, like an ice bag. It was not frozen when it arrived, but that does not mean that it never was. I put it in my fridge and brought it on the day that I did the addition. I have about 13 lbs of gravel in the bottom, and plastic plants. I removed the eco-complete when I decided it was too much work to do this with live plants too, sorry guys, but I have quite a lot on my plate right now as well as a new hobby. Next tank set up will have live plants. And if this works when Dr. Tim sends me a second shipment, will be started with Dr. Tims... I appreciate the offer, and I will be as gracious as you and accept. :o) Since this is the Internet I will send you my info privately, not that any perverts are actively looking for 60 year old guys... :o) Lenny thanks for going the extra step with this issue I am in your debt. Dr. Tim again thanks for making this right. I look forward to posting a success story soon! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

No. As long as the salt is added slowly in the first step to prevent the fish and/or bacteria from going into shock, then they should be fine... at least up to the 0.3% range. When you inadvertently went up to the 0.5% range near the beginning, that might start to affect the nitrifying bacteria but probably not since you never did see a major cycling issue.. just this constant mini-cycling issue. If it's an Aquaclear filter, the extra end could just slide onto the existing end since the tubes are slightly tapered. No problem having two strainers since the inside one will not likely be affected since the bottom one would catch any big stuff anyhow until it breaks down enough to slip through the slots. It's better in some ways to have the intake deeper into the tank to make sure there is sufficient circulation in the deeper sections of the tank. The fact that your nitrates keep rising sure seems to indicate that your tank is cycled. I'm wondering if the nitrite test might be giving a slightly bad reading. Double check your instructions. Double shake the bottles. Maybe bring a water sample to your LFS or pet store to see what they come up with for nitrites. From all I've read over the years, it's usually the API Nitrate test that will sometimes fail or give bad readings due to the chemicals settling and hardening in the bottom of the bottle, which can be remedied by making sure you shake it plenty. I haven't seen this issue with the API Nitrite kit. I shake all of my bottles before using them just to make sure everything is in solution... and I even tap the bottoms of the bottles to loosen up anything that might have settled too much. Once your fish are fully healed up, you should certainly start weaning them off the salt since they do not need salt in their water once every thing is cycled and the fish are healthy. When you refer to "hate removing good bacteria with PWC's", do you mean the SafeStart? Other than that, very few of the good nitrifying bacteria live in the water column. They live on all of the surface areas of the tank and mostly in your filter media. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Tuesday Check in (Day 20 reduced salt; 36 total) - Noon: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: between 0 and .25ppm (up, sigh); Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: almost 20ppm - I hate removing good bacteria with frequent PWCs, but it looks like another week or two before I'll have the 2nd tank and water bridge ready to go. - Is the salt possibly affecting the bacteria and slowing it down? Should I stop replacing the salt during PWCs, now? - My filter (actually dd's) came with an extra end instead of an extension tube. I'll have to see what I can rig to keep the end under water during the PWCs DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Next time just drop the filter media in the tank. It's not the best thing but will be OK for a few hours.. especially if you have an airstone and put the filter media over/around the air stone so it gets water circulation. The other thing you can do is make sure your filter intake is sticking down far enough so that you can do a 25% PWC without the water ever getting below the intake so you can leave them running when doing a PWC. When new, filter systems usually come with intake tube extensions to make them go pretty deep into a tank.... at least past the 25% PWC level. Hopefully the nitrite eating bacteria will kick in also. It seems like with such a low level of nitrites, the SafeStart should have kicked in 100% immediately. I hope Tetra didn't mess up the reformulation of Bio-Spira into SafeStart. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Monday Update (Day 19 of reduced salt; 35 total) Saturday: - 5G PWC started at 1:30pm, had a plumbing emergency and couldn't replace water until 5pm (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime, SafeStart) - Got tired of waiting for tank to cycle and figured the biomax in the filter could not have done well waiting for it to be turned back on, so I decided to try the SafeStart and see if it works - 11PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Decide against doing another PWC and give the SafeStart a chance to work Sunday: - 11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm Monday (today) -11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm (would have thought that would be higher than yesterday - there's not that much algae in the tank) I've pretty much decided Lucille is going through a color change, but I'll keep an eye on it. In the future, when I do a PWC that goes long, I'll take the biomax out of the filter and place it in a bowl of tank water until I turn the filter back on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35336	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

That is CAME with an insulated bag... On 1/6/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool and it > was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to be a heat > producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal mass so it would > stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If it was suppose to be > warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the time it got to my place. > > On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics >> http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio-Spira >> and >> now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current >> thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is >> that >> to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading >> his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite >> (and >> we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of >> using it.. mostly minuses. >> >> http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Clinopti >> lolite.pdf >> >> But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during >> shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the >> bacteria... >> after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle >> after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six >> month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you >> order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the >> bottle >> though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and >> they use them when the ship live fish. >> >> And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement to >> the >> OP without a hitch. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: >> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! >> >> I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. >> >> His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. >> So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in >> the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order >> supplier >> and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the >> bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! Food for thought here >> folks. >> >> Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date >> to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. >> >> Thanks Dr. Tim! >> >> Bill >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35337	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: OT - DebR's Dishwasher issue (was -Driftwood Cleaning & Curing..

Oh, the over-sudsing thing happened a couple of years ago while my son was home on vacation. We finally got enough of the Dawn out by refilling the hole in the door with hot water and then soaking it out with paper towels over and over (and over and over) again and then, yes, running the rinse cycle several times. I made a mental note at the time to never assume that a nuclear engineer knows everything. I'm not sure removing the rinse for aquarium cleaning purposes would be cost or time effective. That's a month's worth of stuff in there, though I suppose if I did the porous items at refill time, it would work out. For instance when I get ready to stock the new(used) tank with decorations. I'd like it to look a bit more natural than the one that's up and running. Either that, or totally mystical. It depends on which one of my inner children rules when I go to actually buy stuff. We are many, and Mom's not good at crowd control. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Unless your owner's manual has details on how to empty this... will a piece of small airline tube work for sucking/siphoning most of it out? Read the links below. If you can't figure out how to remove the remaining dishwashing liquid, then run the dishwasher on just the rinse cycle several times until it's empty. During the rinse cycle, the dishwasher is using a constant flow of fresh water which is then draining out right away. During the wash cycle, the bottom of the dishwasher fills up with water and that water is constantly re-sprayed over and over which is what causes the major suds problem. You should not have this with just the rinse cycle but if you do, be prepared to stop the machine so you don't have a mess. Read this eHow AND the comments for more info. The last comment is the same as your situation. http://www.ehow.com/how_112264_correct-overflowing-dishwasher.html Here's a Yahoo Answers thread on it. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061228073024AAxX2W3 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager My dishwasher has a hole in the door into which is screwed a removable knob labeled, "rinse aid indicator." I imagine I could wash a lot of the aquarium stuff without removing the rinse fluid. I just wouldn't wash anything that could absorb it. Plastic and such could be rinsed under the faucet. BTW, the dishwasher is also good for washing baseball caps. If you get one of those plastic hat frames that they sell, you only have to recurve the brim afterward. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35338	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool and it was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to be a heat producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal mass so it would stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If it was suppose to be warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the time it got to my place. On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio-Spira > and > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current > thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is that > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of > using it.. mostly minuses. > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Clinopti > lolite.pdf > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the bacteria... > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the bottle > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and > they use them when the ship live fish. > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement to > the > OP without a hitch. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order supplier > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! Food for thought here > folks. > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Bill > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Hmmmm.. that sounds like a cooler pack, rather than a heater pack. Are you in the frigid north or down here in the dirty south, where it's 73F outside right now? I don't even remember where DFS is located off the top of my head but I suspect they are up north. If you are also in frozen country area and just had the regular ground UPS shipping and they put a cooler pack in there, it would probably just freeze along with the product. I would contact DFS to find out if they were supposed to put a heater pack and messed up... just so they can send out a memo to their shipping department to make sure the workers don't keep repeating this... or maybe you just got an employee that had too much of the adult egg-nog at the company Christmas party before packing your shipment. LOL They'll likely offer you a replacement too... hopefully Dr. Tim isn't reading this so you'll have a double supply! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool and it was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to be a heat producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal mass so it would stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If it was suppose to be warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the time it got to my place. On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, > Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list > about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to the > group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as a > member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used for > ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a hard > name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly minuses. > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > inopti > lolite.pdf > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the bacteria... > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and > have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com > or whoever you order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not > right next to the bottle though... and you should be OK. The heat > packs are really inexpensive and they use them when the ship live fish. > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement > to the OP without a hitch. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here > in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the > world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! > Food for thought here folks. > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code > date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Bill > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35340	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

I would have to say it probably depends on your dishwasher. My dishwasher has a little spot on the door where I put in the liquid spot remover, it just unscrews and there's a hole where the screw was that you pour the spot remover into. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I have just one question. How do I remove the water spot remover stuff > from the dishwasher? Knowing the answer to this would have made things a > lot easier when my son put liquid Dawn in that thing, because we were > out of > powder and he thought that's where the liquid soap went. If anyone has > ever > used regular liquid dish soap in a dishwasher, the one thing you learn > right > away is that it takes only two or three drops to do a full load. Any more > and you get a kitchen floor full of suds. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I > think of this??? > > I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist > Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two > months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the > difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find > in the > wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has > already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how > one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why > didn't I think of this?" question. > > Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to > remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then > boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling > pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so > here's > the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your > dishwasher > on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill > microbes, > algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to > leach > out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become > saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your > aquarium..." and > Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run > it on > the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL > > WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for > the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be > better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help > it to > sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily > available > "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus > gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the > dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the > dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while > you sterilized the driftwood. <g> > > Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other > aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out > of watching that pot boiling on the stove. > > Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending > divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35341	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a member here. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio- Spira and > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current > thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is that > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of > using it.. mostly minuses. > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl inopti > lolite.pdf > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the bacteria... > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the bottle > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and > they use them when the ship live fish. > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement to the > OP without a hitch. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. >   > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order supplier > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for thought here > folks.  >   > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. >   > Thanks Dr. Tim! >   > Bill >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35342	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

I once asked a customer service agent at drsfostersmith.com to put in added padding in the light fixture they kept sending me, well the next one I got was shipped the same as the others, and of course every one of them was broken when it got here. Speaking of, I still haven't gotten my refund from them, sounds like I need to give them a call. The moral of my story here is this; don't trust what the customer service agents tell you at drsfostersmith.com, they don't always follow through on special packaging instructions in the shipping department. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,> the > inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio-Spira and > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the current > thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How cool is > that > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done reading > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite > (and > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of > using it.. mostly minuses. > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Clinopti > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Clinopti> > lolite.pdf > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold during > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the > bacteria... > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire bottle > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a six > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to the > bottle > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and > they use them when the ship live fish. > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement > to the > OP without a hitch. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here in > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > supplier > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world that the > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! Food for thought here > folks. > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code date > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35343	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

Rubber band the brim onto a foot ball or something similar shaped (round) and leave it sit, that'll bend the brim back without having to hand bend it (and get frustrated when it bends back outward, LOL). Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > My dishwasher has a hole in the door into which is screwed a removable > knob labeled, "rinse aid indicator." I imagine I could wash a lot of the > aquarium stuff without removing the rinse fluid. I just wouldn't wash > anything that could absorb it. Plastic and such could be rinsed under the > faucet. > > BTW, the dishwasher is also good for washing baseball caps. If you get > one of those plastic hat frames that they sell, you only have to > recurve the > brim afterward. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why > didn't I > think of this??? > > Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have > simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving > tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill > them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with > each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me > more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy > spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... > ahhh.. the > life of a bachelor! ;-) > > Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing > chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand > dishwashing > liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will > result in > a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a > little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing > detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or > whatever > flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse > cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies > anyhow... but > DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few > ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you > like.. > as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The > bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed > and/or > evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not > necessary for either of them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35344	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

It's the bacteria in solution that I was concerned about. How long does it take for it to get a good foothold in the gravel and biomax? I'll go check and see if the extra tip will stay put on the end of the current one. The ammonia and Nitrate test bottles were starting to feel light, so I got refills and tested the nitrates twice and got the same results. I normally shake the bottles upside down to make sure the silt on the bottom mixes in. I forgot all about bringing a sample to the LFS. I got sidetracked with those color changes on Lucille. OK, I'm going to stop getting neurotic about my goldfish, now. They look perfectly happy and as long as the tank readings are fixable with PWCs, I'll just hang on until I get the 2nd tank set up before I fret over getting the cycling complete. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille No. As long as the salt is added slowly in the first step to prevent the fish and/or bacteria from going into shock, then they should be fine... at least up to the 0.3% range. When you inadvertently went up to the 0.5% range near the beginning, that might start to affect the nitrifying bacteria but probably not since you never did see a major cycling issue.. just this constant mini-cycling issue. If it's an Aquaclear filter, the extra end could just slide onto the existing end since the tubes are slightly tapered. No problem having two strainers since the inside one will not likely be affected since the bottom one would catch any big stuff anyhow until it breaks down enough to slip through the slots. It's better in some ways to have the intake deeper into the tank to make sure there is sufficient circulation in the deeper sections of the tank. The fact that your nitrates keep rising sure seems to indicate that your tank is cycled. I'm wondering if the nitrite test might be giving a slightly bad reading. Double check your instructions. Double shake the bottles. Maybe bring a water sample to your LFS or pet store to see what they come up with for nitrites. From all I've read over the years, it's usually the API Nitrate test that will sometimes fail or give bad readings due to the chemicals settling and hardening in the bottom of the bottle, which can be remedied by making sure you shake it plenty. I haven't seen this issue with the API Nitrite kit. I shake all of my bottles before using them just to make sure everything is in solution... and I even tap the bottoms of the bottles to loosen up anything that might have settled too much. Once your fish are fully healed up, you should certainly start weaning them off the salt since they do not need salt in their water once every thing is cycled and the fish are healthy. When you refer to "hate removing good bacteria with PWC's", do you mean the SafeStart? Other than that, very few of the good nitrifying bacteria live in the water column. They live on all of the surface areas of the tank and mostly in your filter media. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Tuesday Check in (Day 20 reduced salt; 36 total) - Noon: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: between 0 and .25ppm (up, sigh); Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: almost 20ppm - I hate removing good bacteria with frequent PWCs, but it looks like another week or two before I'll have the 2nd tank and water bridge ready to go. - Is the salt possibly affecting the bacteria and slowing it down? Should I stop replacing the salt during PWCs, now? - My filter (actually dd's) came with an extra end instead of an extension tube. I'll have to see what I can rig to keep the end under water during the PWCs DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Next time just drop the filter media in the tank. It's not the best thing but will be OK for a few hours.. especially if you have an airstone and put the filter media over/around the air stone so it gets water circulation. The other thing you can do is make sure your filter intake is sticking down far enough so that you can do a 25% PWC without the water ever getting below the intake so you can leave them running when doing a PWC. When new, filter systems usually come with intake tube extensions to make them go pretty deep into a tank.... at least past the 25% PWC level. Hopefully the nitrite eating bacteria will kick in also. It seems like with such a low level of nitrites, the SafeStart should have kicked in 100% immediately. I hope Tetra didn't mess up the reformulation of Bio-Spira into SafeStart. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Monday Update (Day 19 of reduced salt; 35 total) Saturday: - 5G PWC started at 1:30pm, had a plumbing emergency and couldn't replace water until 5pm (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime, SafeStart) - Got tired of waiting for tank to cycle and figured the biomax in the filter could not have done well waiting for it to be turned back on, so I decided to try the SafeStart and see if it works - 11PM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm - Decide against doing another PWC and give the SafeStart a chance to work Sunday: - 11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm Monday (today) -11AM: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost 0ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm (would have thought that would be higher than yesterday - there's not that much algae in the tank) I've pretty much decided Lucille is going through a color change, but I'll keep an eye on it. In the future, when I do a PWC that goes long, I'll take the biomax out of the filter and place it in a bowl of tank water until I turn the filter back on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35345	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Sounds like I need to move to the 'dirty' south as you so put it Lenny ;) We have had intermittent rain in between snow so there's now ice under snow and more snow is coming down. There is easily 3 1/2 to 4 feet of snow out there, and much more in piles (so tall you can't see over them even in a vehicle, LOL). I'm so jealous of that 73F :P Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Hmmmm.. that sounds like a cooler pack, rather than a heater pack. Are you > in the frigid north or down here in the dirty south, where it's 73F > outside > right now? I don't even remember where DFS is located off the top of my > head but I suspect they are up north. If you are also in frozen country > area and just had the regular ground UPS shipping and they put a > cooler pack > in there, it would probably just freeze along with the product. I would > contact DFS to find out if they were supposed to put a heater pack and > messed up... just so they can send out a memo to their shipping department > to make sure the workers don't keep repeating this... or maybe you > just got > an employee that had too much of the adult egg-nog at the company > Christmas > party before packing your shipment. LOL They'll likely offer you a > replacement too... hopefully Dr. Tim isn't reading this so you'll have a > double supply! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool > and it > was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to be a heat > producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal mass so it would > stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If it was suppose to be > warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the time it got to my place. > > On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,> the > inventor of the Bio-Wheel, > > Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list > > about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to the > > group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as a > > member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used for > > ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a hard > > name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly minuses. > > > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl> > > inopti > > lolite.pdf > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > > during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the > bacteria... > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > > bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and > > have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com > > or whoever you order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not > > right next to the bottle though... and you should be OK. The heat > > packs are really inexpensive and they use them when the ship live fish. > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a replacement > > to the OP without a hitch. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks here > > in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > > supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the > > world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! > > Food for thought here folks. > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of code > > date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35346	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

You are in the dirty south... unfortunately, it's only south Alaska. LOL I did have to wear a wind breaker with my t-shirt and shorts the other day though... and we had about an inch of snow back in the middle of December (I think AlGore calls that global warming.. lol). We usually get snow about once every five to ten years... the last really bad freeze (below freezing for three days straight) and heavy snow (3") was back in December, 1989. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! Sounds like I need to move to the 'dirty' south as you so put it Lenny ;) We have had intermittent rain in between snow so there's now ice under snow and more snow is coming down. There is easily 3 1/2 to 4 feet of snow out there, and much more in piles (so tall you can't see over them even in a vehicle, LOL). I'm so jealous of that 73F :P Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Hmmmm.. that sounds like a cooler pack, rather than a heater pack. Are > you in the frigid north or down here in the dirty south, where it's > 73F outside right now? I don't even remember where DFS is located off > the top of my head but I suspect they are up north. If you are also in > frozen country area and just had the regular ground UPS shipping and > they put a cooler pack in there, it would probably just freeze along > with the product. I would contact DFS to find out if they were > supposed to put a heater pack and messed up... just so they can send > out a memo to their shipping department to make sure the workers don't > keep repeating this... or maybe you just got an employee that had too > much of the adult egg-nog at the company Christmas party before > packing your shipment. LOL They'll likely offer you a replacement > too... hopefully Dr. Tim isn't reading this so you'll have a double > supply! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool > and it was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to > be a heat producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal > mass so it would stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If > it was suppose to be warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the > time it got to my place. > > On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,> the > inventor of the Bio-Wheel, > > Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list > > about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to > > the group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as > > a member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used > > for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a > > hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly minuses. > > > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C > l> > > inopti > > lolite.pdf > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > > during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills > > the > bacteria... > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > > bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and > > have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have > > DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you order from put a little heat pack > > in the box.. not right next to the bottle though... and you should > > be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and they use them when the ship live fish. > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > > replacement to the OP without a hitch. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of money. > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > > here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail > > order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance > > in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless! > > Food for thought here folks. > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > > code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35347	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: betta tank heater

ok so since you helped me identify the limpets (all now named "the incredible mr.", I don't think anyone older than me will miss the reference, but my hubby didn't get it sooo... who knows) maybe you can help me with this. I rescued two bettas from walmart (yes I know not really rescue when you purchase but they were the last two, beyond pathetic sitting in some of the nastiest water I've seen, i wasn't there for bettas). One is in with my frogs and the other is in a 2.5 gallon aquarium. I've looked at those little flat heaters they sell for small tanks but wonder if they would keep him warm enough or perhaps too warm. The heat in our house is set at 72 but I can't swear thats what it is, it might be more like 68 in here (she says as she sits wrapped in a blanket wearing fuzzy pajamas, and a big fluffy robe). Do these work well and will it work well enough to keep him comfortable through my frigid winter and if i leave it in the tank through the summer when my house gets to 78 will it make him too warm? erika wilmington,de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35348	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Yeah this is the worst winter I've seen since I was a kid, and I dont' think that one was even that bad. So it's been easily 15-20 years since we've had this much snow, especially all at once. I'm so ready for the rain to come back, at least I can comfortably drive in rain ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You are in the dirty south... unfortunately, it's only south Alaska. LOL > > I did have to wear a wind breaker with my t-shirt and shorts the other day > though... and we had about an inch of snow back in the middle of > December (I > think AlGore calls that global warming.. lol). We usually get snow about > once every five to ten years... the last really bad freeze (below freezing > for three days straight) and heavy snow (3") was back in December, 1989. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Sounds like I need to move to the 'dirty' south as you so put it Lenny > ;) We > have had intermittent rain in between snow so there's now ice under > snow and > more snow is coming down. There is easily 3 1/2 to 4 feet of snow out > there, > and much more in piles (so tall you can't see over them even in a vehicle, > LOL). I'm so jealous of that 73F :P > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Hmmmm.. that sounds like a cooler pack, rather than a heater pack. Are > > you in the frigid north or down here in the dirty south, where it's > > 73F outside right now? I don't even remember where DFS is located off > > the top of my head but I suspect they are up north. If you are also in > > frozen country area and just had the regular ground UPS shipping and > > they put a cooler pack in there, it would probably just freeze along > > with the product. I would contact DFS to find out if they were > > supposed to put a heater pack and messed up... just so they can send > > out a memo to their shipping department to make sure the workers don't > > keep repeating this... or maybe you just got an employee that had too > > much of the adult egg-nog at the company Christmas party before > > packing your shipment. LOL They'll likely offer you a replacement > > too... hopefully Dr. Tim isn't reading this so you'll have a double > > supply! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:50 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool > > and it was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose to > > be a heat producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more thermal > > mass so it would stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong though. If > > it was suppose to be warm, then it definitely failed or quit by the > > time it got to my place. > > > > On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,> > <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,>> the > > inventor of the Bio-Wheel, > > > Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list > > > about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to > > > the group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert as > > > a member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite used > > > for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite was a > > > hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. mostly > minuses. > > > > > > > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl> > > > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C> > > l> > > > inopti > > > lolite.pdf > > > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > > > during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills > > > the > > bacteria... > > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > > > bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and > > > have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have > > > DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you order from put a little heat pack > > > in the box.. not right next to the bottle though... and you should > > > be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and they use them > when the > ship live fish. > > > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > > > replacement to the OP without a hitch. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > > Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of > money. > > > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > > > here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail > > > order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance > > > in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered > useless! > > > Food for thought here folks. > > > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > > > code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35349	From: Darlene	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: new/used tanks

The ex-wife's cookie sheets worked great for this... except for the smell.. which also reminded me of her baking. LOL you would enjoy my baking ....... everyone else does :) LOLOL all you have to do is get up here to try it :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater

LOL@"the incredible mr."... darn.. I think I just showed my age. The little flat heaters for small tanks do NOT have thermostats. From what I've read on them in the past, they'll heat up the water up to 4F over the ambient temp in a certain sized tank... I forget the actual size. But they could be too much heater in an undersized tank so check DrsFosterSmith.com or the manufacturers website for more details on them. It may be OK in your 2.5G but in the summer when your home is up in the high 70's you may have to unplug it or it might raise the temp too high. A 25W heater with a thermostat, while being kind of bulky for a 2.5G tank would probably be better since at least you could set it at your preferred temp and it would work year round and just not come on when the room/water temp is at or above your pre-set temp. Don't you have a real thermometer anywhere around the house? The kind for taking your temp or a meat thermometer or an indoor-outdoor thermometer? Anything that will check the temp down into the 70's?.. even a little glass one with the red dyed alcohol? You could still check your room temp with that to compare it to your thermostat on your homes heating/cooling system. Just rest it on top of the thermostat so it's in the same general area. If you find that your homes thermostat is off, they can usually be adjusted a couple of degrees up or down. The old style (non-digital, has a screw under the plastic cover. Digital thermostats can be adjusted using the owner's manual... or at least you'll know if your thermostat is accurate or 1F or 2F high or low. You could also use that to check your water temp. Tell hubby I said he needs to turn the heat up to about 78F.. or at least warm enough so you'll switch to them Victoria's Secret pajamas. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] betta tank heater ok so since you helped me identify the limpets (all now named "the incredible mr.", I don't think anyone older than me will miss the reference, but my hubby didn't get it sooo... who knows) maybe you can help me with this. I rescued two bettas from walmart (yes I know not really rescue when you purchase but they were the last two, beyond pathetic sitting in some of the nastiest water I've seen, i wasn't there for bettas). One is in with my frogs and the other is in a 2.5 gallon aquarium. I've looked at those little flat heaters they sell for small tanks but wonder if they would keep him warm enough or perhaps too warm. The heat in our house is set at 72 but I can't swear thats what it is, it might be more like 68 in here (she says as she sits wrapped in a blanket wearing fuzzy pajamas, and a big fluffy robe). Do these work well and will it work well enough to keep him comfortable through my frigid winter and if i leave it in the tank through the summer when my house gets to 78 will it make him too warm? erika wilmington,de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35351	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

I always do my rocks in the dishwasher on sanitize, no soap. I got yelled at by a guy on a forum once who said one rock chip and goodbye dishwater motor! So at your own risk. However, the dishwasher does not remove algae.so scrubbing is still required. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35352	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

It's time to start churnin' and burnin' them fossil fuels again or we might bring on another ice age... with all this global warming hysteria. Vrooom... Vrooom.. cranking up my quad-cab V-8 truck now and I'll leave it idling in the driveway till your snow melts! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! Yeah this is the worst winter I've seen since I was a kid, and I dont' think that one was even that bad. So it's been easily 15-20 years since we've had this much snow, especially all at once. I'm so ready for the rain to come back, at least I can comfortably drive in rain ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You are in the dirty south... unfortunately, it's only south Alaska. > LOL > > I did have to wear a wind breaker with my t-shirt and shorts the other > day though... and we had about an inch of snow back in the middle of > December (I think AlGore calls that global warming.. lol). We usually > get snow about once every five to ten years... the last really bad > freeze (below freezing for three days straight) and heavy snow (3") > was back in December, 1989. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > Sounds like I need to move to the 'dirty' south as you so put it Lenny > ;) We > have had intermittent rain in between snow so there's now ice under > snow and more snow is coming down. There is easily 3 1/2 to 4 feet of > snow out there, and much more in piles (so tall you can't see over > them even in a vehicle, LOL). I'm so jealous of that 73F :P > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Hmmmm.. that sounds like a cooler pack, rather than a heater pack. > > Are you in the frigid north or down here in the dirty south, where > > it's 73F outside right now? I don't even remember where DFS is > > located off the top of my head but I suspect they are up north. If > > you are also in frozen country area and just had the regular ground > > UPS shipping and they put a cooler pack in there, it would probably > > just freeze along with the product. I would contact DFS to find out > > if they were supposed to put a heater pack and messed up... just so > > they can send out a memo to their shipping department to make sure > > the workers don't keep repeating this... or maybe you just got an > > employee that had too much of the adult egg-nog at the company > > Christmas party before packing your shipment. LOL They'll likely > > offer you a replacement too... hopefully Dr. Tim isn't reading this > > so you'll have a double supply! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:50 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Mine can with a insulated bag and a gel pack, but it was pretty cool > > and it was right next to the bottle, I do not think it was suppose > > to be a heat producer, I figured it was to give it a bit more > > thermal mass so it would stay cool but not freeze... Could be wrong > > though. If it was suppose to be warm, then it definitely failed or > > quit by the time it got to my place. > > > > On 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's > > > Aquatics http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, > > > <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,> > <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, <http://www.drtimsaquatics.com,>> the > > inventor of the Bio-Wheel, > > > Bio-Spira and now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list > > > about the current thread and he replied to me and then replied to > > > the group. How cool is that to have such a noted industry expert > > > as a member. I just got done reading his article about the Zeolite > > > used for ammonia removal, Clinoptilolite (and we thought Zeolite > > > was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and minuses of using it.. > > > mostly > minuses. > > > > > > > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C > l> > > > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C > <http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/C > > > > l> > > > inopti > > > lolite.pdf > > > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really > > > cold during shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that > > > kills the > > bacteria... > > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > > > bottle after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and > > > have a six month shelf life at room temp. Just have > > > DrsFosterSmith.com or whoever you order from put a little heat > > > pack in the box.. not right next to the bottle though... and you > > > should be OK. The heat packs are really inexpensive and they use > > > them > when the > ship live fish. > > > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > > > replacement to the OP without a hitch. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > > Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of > money. > > > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > > > here in the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some > > > mail order supplier and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every > > > chance in the world that the bacteria will be dead and thus be > > > rendered > useless! > > > Food for thought here folks. > > > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > > > code date to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Ray, He is one and the same person. He used to do quite a bit of speaking at conventions and such for fish folk, but I do not know if he still does. I have not heard of him being on the east Coast in quite some time. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished > for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the > ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I > don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a > member here. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio- > Spira and > > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the > current > > thread and he replied to me and then replied to the group. How > cool is that > > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done > reading > > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, > Clinoptilolite (and > > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and > minuses of > > using it.. mostly minuses. > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > inopti > > lolite.pdf > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > during > > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the > bacteria... > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > bottle > > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a > six > > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or > whoever you > > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to > the bottle > > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really > inexpensive and > > they use them when the ship live fish. > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > replacement to the > > OP without a hitch. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of > money. > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > here in > > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > supplier > > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world > that the > > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for > thought here > > folks. > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > code date > > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Bill > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35354	From: Jocelyn	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35355	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

And of course all of us newbies know what ACA's BOT stands for, lol. From Googling, I'm guessing American Cichlid Association's Board of Trustees? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a member here. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35356	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Start re-homing the fish he's probably forgotten even buying. If he notices and asks, just say something like, "When you overstock, you're bound to have a die off sooner or later." Better yet, re-home a whole tank and then borrow a large piranha from the LFS. When he notices, tell him, "I told told you they'd grow!" No, seriously, I'd just start re-homing them and I'd tell him that's what I'm doing and it's his choice if he wants to keep stocking other peoples' tanks. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jocelyn" <snowangel127@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:36 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35357	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Start looking on craigslist, freecycle and other sources for cheap or free tanks and put this information in front of your Husband and have him start buying some tanks for these fish. Walmart does sell a 55 gallon setup but it is about $160. +. Better to try and get some used tanks and new filters if they don't come with any. Or see if the LFS will take fish in on trade? You may be able to keep these fish from dying by doing this. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn <snowangel127@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 4:36 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or a t least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35358	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

I don't know about one rock chip and goodbye motor. I've seen some people put some nasty dishes in their dishwashers that probably had bones, etc.... no rocks though. I think the screen on the bottom keeps anything out that's big enough to harm the motor. I've also seen dishes break and I'm sure that some of the smaller glass pieces went down the drain. Of course, that was quite a while back and I know they don't build them like they used to. BTW.. in my late teens, early 20's my parents used to manage apartment complexes and I was one of the emergency handymen who would go out and try to fix them when they broke or leaked or flooded, which is why I've seen so much crap inside of a dishwasher before. I still do smaller home repair jobs for my long-term customers today... but like with most home appliances and electronics, it's cheaper to just replace the item than it is to repair it. Did he really YELL at you Donna? That bad Maytag repair man! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I always do my rocks in the dishwasher on sanitize, no soap. I got yelled at by a guy on a forum once who said one rock chip and goodbye dishwater motor! So at your own risk. However, the dishwasher does not remove algae.so scrubbing is still required. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35359	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a time. Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do that). Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your remaining fish. If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, put a bullet in the advanced Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. Here's your three biggest species for starters... http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than that. Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35360	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Yep! Another successful Google! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! And of course all of us newbies know what ACA's BOT stands for, lol. From Googling, I'm guessing American Cichlid Association's Board of Trustees? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a member here. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35361	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater

I have one of the little square flat heaters that are rated (yeah on the box, but it all depends) for about a 10 gallon tank. It seems to work well enough so far, the house temp is set it the high 70's (usually 75 ish) and it keeps the tank temp around 80-82. Amber erikaandnewton wrote: > > ok so since you helped me identify the limpets (all now named "the > incredible mr.", I don't think anyone older than me will miss the > reference, but my hubby didn't get it sooo... who knows) maybe you can > help me with this. I rescued two bettas from walmart (yes I know not > really rescue when you purchase but they were the last two, beyond > pathetic sitting in some of the nastiest water I've seen, i wasn't > there for bettas). One is in with my frogs and the other is in a 2.5 > gallon aquarium. I've looked at those little flat heaters they sell for > small tanks but wonder if they would keep him warm enough or perhaps > too warm. The heat in our house is set at 72 but I can't swear thats > what it is, it might be more like 68 in here (she says as she sits > wrapped in a blanket wearing fuzzy pajamas, and a big fluffy robe). Do > these work well and will it work well enough to keep him comfortable > through my frigid winter and if i leave it in the tank through the > summer when my house gets to 78 will it make him too warm? > > erika wilmington,de usa > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35362	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

It should have emptied itself by the end of the cycle, if it's the kind that the detergent goes in a cup ni the door, and I've frankly never encountered another kind. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I have just one question. How do I remove the water spot remover stuff from the dishwasher? Knowing the answer to this would have made things a lot easier when my son put liquid Dawn in that thing, because we were out of powder and he thought that's where the liquid soap went. If anyone has ever used regular liquid dish soap in a dishwasher, the one thing you learn right away is that it takes only two or three drops to do a full load. Any more and you get a kitchen floor full of suds. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35363	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

I took everything out of my aquarium today and washed it in chlorox and hot water in a bucket in the laundry room, then rinsed well. Invasion of the Giant Diatoms. Or atleast I cuold WISH they were giant, because the larger ones have more character - actually it's the Attack of the Midget Safety Pins. Apparently they are less than capable of maintaining their shells in one piece, so under the microscope they persistently look like big mats of small safetypins. Smaller than most diatoms, with rounded ends, and 12 striae apiece. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? My dishwasher has a hole in the door into which is screwed a removable knob labeled, "rinse aid indicator." I imagine I could wash a lot of the aquarium stuff without removing the rinse fluid. I just wouldn't wash anything that could absorb it. Plastic and such could be rinsed under the faucet. BTW, the dishwasher is also good for washing baseball caps. If you get one of those plastic hat frames that they sell, you only have to recurve the brim afterward. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? Dishwashers are different, depending on the brand and the age. Some have simple plastic hang-on things in them that you can put a slowly dissolving tab in them. Other's have systems built into the doors where you refill them with either liquid spot remover or a tablet and it dispenses it with each cycle. How do you fill your spot remover system? That would give me more info to answer how to empty it. I don't use that stuff... I just buy spotted dishes to begin with so the water spots don't show up... ahhh.. the life of a bachelor! ;-) Yes, electric dishwasher and washing machine detergents have non-sudsing chemicals added to them. Using anything else like a normal hand dishwashing liquid in either your electric dishwasher or washing machine will result in a room full of bubbles... messy for you but fun for the kids though! Use a little laundry detergent next time you run out of electric dishwashing detergent.... then your dishes will smell Mountain Breeze Fresh (or whatever flavor laundry detergent you have) afterwards. LOL Not really, the rinse cycle rinses away any scents added by the detergent companies anyhow... but DO NOT use detergents when cleaning aquarium stuff. You could add a few ounces of bleach or even a few ounces of salt at the beginning if you like.. as soon as the dishwasher starts the filling and/or cleaning cycle. The bleach would not have time to soak into the wood and would be rinsed and/or evaporated away during the HOT rinse and drying cycles. It's probably not necessary for either of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35364	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Who's cleaning this tank twice a day?! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jocelyn" <snowangel127@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35365	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this?

Yes, I figured he was a closet repair man! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I don't know about one rock chip and goodbye motor. I've seen some people put some nasty dishes in their dishwashers that probably had bones, etc.... no rocks though. I think the screen on the bottom keeps anything out that's big enough to harm the motor. I've also seen dishes break and I'm sure that some of the smaller glass pieces went down the drain. Of course, that was quite a while back and I know they don't build them like they used to. BTW.. in my late teens, early 20's my parents used to manage apartment complexes and I was one of the emergency handymen who would go out and try to fix them when they broke or leaked or flooded, which is why I've seen so much crap inside of a dishwasher before. I still do smaller home repair jobs for my long-term customers today... but like with most home appliances and electronics, it's cheaper to just replace the item than it is to repair it. Did he really YELL at you Donna? That bad Maytag repair man! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:52 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I always do my rocks in the dishwasher on sanitize, no soap. I got yelled at by a guy on a forum once who said one rock chip and goodbye dishwater motor! So at your own risk. However, the dishwasher does not remove algae.so scrubbing is still required. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood Cleaning & Curing.... Now, why didn't I think of this??? I was just reading my most recent edition of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine), the February 2009 edition (why do magazines come out one to two months early anyhow?) and in the Q & A section, someone asked about the difference between store bought driftwood and the kind we might find in the wild. While reading the answer, mainly being that the store bought has already been cleaned and cured, the answer went on further to explain how one might cure/clean their own wild found driftwood... and now to the "Why didn't I think of this?" question. Of course, the answer mentions scrubbing each piece with a scrub brush to remove dirt/debris from the surface. Do not use soaps or detergents. Then boiling each piece for about an hour. I've used a large crawfish boiling pot for this but I know most folks do not have crawfish boilers.. so here's the BIG answer... "...Larger pieces may need to be placed in your dishwasher on the hot cycle (using no detergent). Boiling will not only kill microbes, algae spores and other undesirable organisms, but it will also help to leach out the tannins and open the pores of the wood, allowing it to become saturated faster so that it will sink more readily in your aquarium..." and Lenny's additional tip... remove any water spot remover stuff and run it on the full cycle... not that pansy energy saving cycle. LOL WOW... I never thought about putting the big pieces in the dishwasher for the boiling/sterilization process. While boiling for an hour would be better, since the wood would be soaking in the water which would help it to sink easier, running it through your dishwasher is a more readily available "tool" in most households. Just make sure you remove it before the missus gets home as she might not appreciate a big hunk of wood being in the dishwasher when she starts putting all your dirty dishes in the dishwasher... you know.. the ones that you left sitting in the sink while you sterilized the driftwood. <g> Heck.. the dishwasher can also be used for sterilizing our nets and other aquarium tools as well as any used stuff you might buy. Beats the heck out of watching that pot boiling on the stove. Please contact the law firm of Dewey, Skruem and Howe for any pending divorce advice as a result of following any advice in this post. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35366	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: I'm back

Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35367	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

A question on pictus catfish. I'm going to rescue my parent's pictus catfish out of their (yes I know it's awful) 20 gallon tank. Good news is that he has only a few tank mates, but the really bad part of it is that he has been in that tank for easily 5+ years and I'm concerned as to how much stunting he has overgone in that time. He is about 4-5 inches in size and I don't think he has every really grown since she got him, perhaps he might have grown a couple inches though I'm not sure. As soon as I get my smaller fish put into the 55 gallon tank I'm going to rescue the catfish and put him in with my severum and 2 angel's. I already know the little bugger is a great danio eater and he's not going anywhere near my glofish ;) LOL. Nice expensive fish food that mom got for him a few months back ;) heh. I can't wait to see how he does in a tank more suited for him though, poor guy. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks > on the > forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third > option > is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG > tank... but > the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) > > What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that > will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a > time. > Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do > that). > Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your > remaining > fish. > > If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon > tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! > > The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ > and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish > to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up > to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and > will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or > not. The > CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. > > But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then > all your > smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG > fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up > to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that > will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and > Pleco > will survive. > > Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, > <http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm,> put a bullet in the advanced > Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your > fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile > on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water > volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. > > Here's your three biggest species for starters... > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html> > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html> > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html> > > For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under > labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long > article > about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to > the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general > guideline > for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might > hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! > > Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish > will die > an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than > that. > > Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and > he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Jocelyn > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! > > I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at > Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue > gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, > 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male > guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 > baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra > danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many > fish, > that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time > keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I > feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I > can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at > least a > bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35368	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Looks like she's cleaning the tanks from what she stated, but not sure how often.. My husband had to put his foot down and tell me no more fish, so I can understand where you're coming from (only in reversed roles). Just explain that you're tired of doing all the work to keep the fish healthy and the way he's going he's trying to kill all the fish instead. He either needs to research FIRST and figure out what fish he wants in the future and make sure he has the necessary tank requirements for the fish, or he's going to have to let you go do the fish shopping from now on, LOL. Good news is that all those fry should end up as food for all the other fish, just make sure to feed them less than normal and they'll quickly gobble up the babies if they fit in their mouths. I fed my fish once a day and they were soon searching the tank for guppy fry ;) I'd tell your husband that unless he plans on building himself a wall tank that takes up the whole half of the house that he should seriously start doing his homework or your fish are going to quickly start dying from health issues from the over stocking. I do sympathize with your husband though, it's very easy to get caught up in all the pretty and neat looking fish and forget about how little room you have at home in your current fish tanks ;) Good luck with the hubby, hope it works out :) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Who's cleaning this tank twice a day?! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jocelyn" <snowangel127@... > <mailto:snowangel127%40sbcglobal.net>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! > > I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at > Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue > gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, > 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 > male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 > there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin > pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there > are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it > takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of > the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get > really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and > start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well > being. Any ideas on what to do? > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35369	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Remember it is better to ask "forgiveness", then ask "permission".  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:57:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a time. Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do that). Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your remaining fish. If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, put a bullet in the advanced Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. Here's your three biggest species for starters... http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than that. Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35370	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

He was at the ACA a couple years ago. I missed many of the talks that year, something about alcohol I am told. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 4:08 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! Ray, He is one and the same person. He used to do quite a bit of speaking at conventions and such for fish folk, but I do not know if he still does. I have not heard of him being on the east Coast in quite some time. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished > for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the > ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I > don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a > member here. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio- > Spira and > > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the > current > > thread and he repl ied to me and then replied to the group. How > cool is that > > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done > reading > > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, > Clinoptilolite (and > > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and > minuses of > > using it.. mostly minuses. > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > inopti > > lolite.pdf > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > during > > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the > bacteria... > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > bottle > > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a > six > > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or > whoever you > > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to > the bottle > > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really > inexpensive and > > they use them when the ship live fish. > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > replacement to the > > OP without a hitch. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of > money. > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > here in > > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > supplier > > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world > that the > > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for > thought here > > folks. > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > code date > > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the "plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G. Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish. Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35372	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

He most likely is stunted right now, but many catfish live long lives and many grow slow so if they are moved to a proper sized tank, they could start growing again. Unfortunately, I just peeked at my own article on fish lifespans and according to my research, "How Long Should Your Fish Live" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm l, Pictus Catfish only live around 8 years, so he could be getting close to the end since he's been kept in such an undersized tank for so long which substantially shortens a fishes lifespan. I hope he proves me wrong and let me know, in a few years, and if he makes it over 8 years... post a comment on my blog so I can update my research. I need to re-research some of that article since it has been well over a year since I've done any major work on that article... although it's pretty extensive with a couple of hundred common fish listed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! A question on pictus catfish. I'm going to rescue my parent's pictus catfish out of their (yes I know it's awful) 20 gallon tank. Good news is that he has only a few tank mates, but the really bad part of it is that he has been in that tank for easily 5+ years and I'm concerned as to how much stunting he has overgone in that time. He is about 4-5 inches in size and I don't think he has every really grown since she got him, perhaps he might have grown a couple inches though I'm not sure. As soon as I get my smaller fish put into the 55 gallon tank I'm going to rescue the catfish and put him in with my severum and 2 angel's. I already know the little bugger is a great danio eater and he's not going anywhere near my glofish ;) LOL. Nice expensive fish food that mom got for him a few months back ;) heh. I can't wait to see how he does in a tank more suited for him though, poor guy. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks > on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a > third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy > a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at > least to him. LOL ;-) > > What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs > that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two > at a time. > Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do > that). > Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your > remaining fish. > > If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 > gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! > > The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to > 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for > this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus > Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis > grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether > they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about > 50G. > > But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then > all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only > have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. > Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators > and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so > maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. > > Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, > <http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm,> put a bullet in the advanced > Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of > your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a > reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested > tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. > > Here's your three biggest species for starters... > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html> > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html> > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html> > > For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right > under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a > long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my > blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll > see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized > fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! > > Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish > will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much > nicer than that. > > Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days > and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jocelyn > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! > > I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at > Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue > gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, > 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 > male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 > there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin > pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there > are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it > takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of > the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get > really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and > start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their > health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (was Re:

Mike, LOL@"something about alcohol I am told." You sound like you'd enjoy Mardi Gras and Bourbon Street down here in N'Awlins. Come on down next month! We could always show you the videos of everything you did afterwards... and everything we did to you while you were under the influence of Hurricanes! ;-) Of course, you always know you had fun when you have to call friends to find out what you did the night before. :-) http://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/mgdates.html Mardi Gras runs for two weeks and ends on Tuesday, February 24th this year. The actual "Fat Tuesday" falls on a different date every year based on the 40 day Lenten period which runs from Ash Wednesday to Easter and is based on Lunar calendars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent. Fat Tuesday is the day before Ash Wednesday and it's basically a major two week long blow-out celebration for all of us Catholics to do all of our sinning prior to the Lenten period, which starts on Ash Wednesday when we have to start being good. ;-) A little known factoid... at least for some of us cheaters... the Lenten period is only 40 days yet there are 47 days between Ash Wednesday and Easter Sunday. This is because they don't count the Sundays that fall within the 47 day period. Some of us Catholics take this as an OK to forego our Lenten promise starting at midnight on Saturday night... Bu-ca, Bu-ca, Bu-ca!!! LOL Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we are a major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from Katrina so I have to plug our great city every chance I get! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! He was at the ACA a couple years ago. I missed many of the talks that year, something about alcohol I am told. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 4:08 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! Ray, He is one and the same person. He used to do quite a bit of speaking at conventions and such for fish folk, but I do not know if he still does. I have not heard of him being on the east Coast in quite some time. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished > for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the > ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I > don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a member > here. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > That was actually the real Dr. Tim Hovanec.. from Dr. Tim's Aquatics > > http://www.drtimsaquatics.com, the inventor of the Bio-Wheel, Bio- > Spira and > > now, Dr. Tim's One And Only. I emailed him off-list about the > current > > thread and he repl ied to me and then replied to the group. How > cool is that > > to have such a noted industry expert as a member. I just got done > reading > > his article about the Zeolite used for ammonia removal, > Clinoptilolite (and > > we thought Zeolite was a hard name.. lol) and the pluses and > minuses of > > using it.. mostly minuses. > > > http://drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/Aquarium_Lit/assets/Cl > inopti > > lolite.pdf > > > > But back to the One and Only... I think if it only gets really cold > during > > shipping, it would be OK but if it freezes, then that kills the > bacteria... > > after all, it should be refrigerated if you don't use the entire > bottle > > after opening. Yes, the bottles have date codes on them and have a > six > > month shelf life at room temp. Just have DrsFosterSmith.com or > whoever you > > order from put a little heat pack in the box.. not right next to > the bottle > > though... and you should be OK. The heat packs are really > inexpensive and > > they use them when the ship live fish. > > > > And I like how he stands by his product too... offering a > replacement to the > > OP without a hitch. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > I think that guy (Dr. Tim,tinyfish95021,) just saved me a bit of > money. > > > > His description about his product makes perfect sense, its living. > > So if you have an extremely cold weather shipment ( like is folks > here in > > the frozen Northeast of Pennsylvania), coming from some mail order > supplier > > and the stuff gets frozen solid there¢s every chance in the world > that the > > bacteria will be dead and thus be rendered useless!  Food for > thought here > > folks. > > > > Also it would follow that the product needs to have some sort of > code date > > to determine its age which if memory serves, is 6 months. > > > > Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35374	From: Alina	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

Yes, good point. I don't think Sunny (the Snail) has been sick; she certainly was moving about and seemed happy; there did not seem to be anything unusual going on though, well, snails aren't exactly easy to read. I think she's in shock and at the bottom of the tank, and she's probably going to be OK; she is just laying there but I can tell that her foot has shut her door nicely so she must have some muscle left. Time will tell. And this time -- I am having a girly-girl moment here -- I just don't have the strength or desire to pluck her out and smell her, which is what the super snail people suggested, cuz well, apparently the smell of dead snail is worse than that nasty flower that smells like rotting flesh and blooms once every 40 years. Now, what about hickeys with vaccumn cleaners? Seriously, Len, that is a new one on me!!!!!! LOL. Didn't somebody's momma whip them for trying things like that at home??? Anyway, I'm taking a watch and see...will let you know how it goes. Thanks Alina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I think something was wrong with that snail... if it actually got stuck on > the intake.. or maybe it was just trying to clean the inside of the strainer > and got part of it's foot caught.. like getting a finger caught in a crack > and then it started to panic and got sick as a result of the stress. > > I had two powerful filter systems on my tank when I had Mystery Snails (a > 350GPH and a 200GPH) and they would crawl all over the intake tubes and even > the filter intake strainer with no problems. I also see much smaller snails > crawling around on the intake tube with no problems. A healthy fish or any > other critter should not get sucked against a filter intake strainer. When > this happens to a fish, it usually means the fish was already sick or > weakened from something else. Now fry would certainly be at more risk since > they can't swim as well, but healthy adult fish should not be affected at > all... nor should snails or other healthy critters. > > Watch your filter intake some times. While it is certainly sucking in a lot > of water, it's not nearly as strong of a suction as you might think. I > regularly see a piece of detritus (small piece of leaf or poop) float by the > intake within an inch or closer to the intake and not get sucked in. I've > also seen a single blade of anacharis leaf get sucked onto the intake and > just sit there, not getting sucked in through the slightly smaller strainer > opening... same with a piece of fish poop. > > Now, if something was able to cover all of the slots on the intake screen, > like if the snail had a large enough foot to envelope the entire strainer, > that might create enough suction to cause a problem... think about putting > your hand near a vacuum cleaner hose and feeling the air flow by.. no big > deal... and then putting your hand over the entire opening and the amount of > suction that then occurs... big difference.... like the teens who would give > themselves hickeys with vacuum cleaners back in the day. Did anyone ever > fall for them perfectly round hickeys? LOL > > OK.. back to fish. Certainly, if you have really small fish, potential for > fry in the tank or a sick fish, putting a sponge or other protection over > the intake (I use a small pore filter media bag on the intake of my AC-20 on > my Cherry Shrimp tank since the cherry shrimp fry are so small) would help > but there are millions of people running filters on their tanks without a > problem so when something happens, it's usually a result of the fish or > critter being sick first, not the filter system causing enough suction to > cause a problem. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:36 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail snafu > > Hi > > I think netting such as used on a bridal veil could be taped or rubber > banded to the inlet. This would keep everything larger than a baby guppy > from going up the tube. > > Jerry > > Alina wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, > > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the > > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just > > at the bottom of the tank. > > > > The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > > like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > > up the system... > > > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from > > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alina > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35375	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35376	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Maybe not better, but certainly easier! LOL DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Phelps" <MargiePhelps@...> Remember it is better to ask "forgiveness", then ask "permission". -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a time. Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do that). Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your remaining fish. If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, put a bullet in the advanced Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. Here's your three biggest species for starters... http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than that. Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Orandas, Ryukins or any other round-bodied goldfish (fancy goldfish) will be OK with two of them in a 55G as long as there is weekly tank maintenance done. Long-bodied goldfish like Comets, Commons, Shubunkins, Wakins, Jikins (and any other newer long-bodied varieties that may have popped up from cross-breeding) need REALLY BIG TANKS or preferably should be in a pond. They are big-time swimmers so they need at least an 8' long tank... or longer for the bigger ones. As a general rule for all fish, fast swimming fish should be given a tank at least 8X+ longer than the expected adult size of the largest fish in the tank. Slow swimming fish should be given at least 6X longer than the expected adult size of the fish. This is why a 55G, 48" long tank is OK for round-bodied goldfish that usually grow up in the 6" to 8" range.... although there is always Bruce the Oranda who currently holds the Guinness World Record and is 18" and still growing. Here is a pretty comprehensive list of the various goldfish varieties http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm although breeders are always playing Dr. Frankenstein and coming up with new mutations every day. I like goldfish and have had ponds in the past and have a couple of fancies now, but I don't agree with everything that is done to them from a breeding standpoint to make new fancy features to try and sell more goldfish to collectors and hobbyists. I'm all for capitalism and would probably classify as a capitalist pig... but each time they do these series of inbreedings to get a specific new external organ features, it usually means other internal organs will also suffer from various deformities resulting in fish that are much more prone to being sickly and/or dying earlier deaths than the "normal" goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35378	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the fish... I have seen it posted online in various locations by different common names... neon swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different names for the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site tim's tank, any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was only a 3 dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things have changed, but much has stayed the same. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading this > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of your > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water to > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking for > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand what > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very much > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good place > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given any > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the female. What > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are in this > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female to > take refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can > often induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > livebearer females when they're confined). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > They had babies. > > All babies die. > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not > in > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > bought > > as > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if > those > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females > for > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > orange/red > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line > > below.. > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > pineapples" > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue > to > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same > > fish > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of > the > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from > > some > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > tank... > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has > two > > red > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > racist...lol > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > tim > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Dewdude/Tim, I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another post in your thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He was not replying to your initial post. I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and haven't even read much about the various color schemes being bred into swordtails nowadays. Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with swordtails and your initial question will reply soon. In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on them. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer Association for more specific breeding information on this species and other livebearers. http://livebearers.org/ Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dewdude35 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the fish... I have seen it posted online in various locations by different common names... neon swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different names for the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site tim's tank, any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was only a 3 dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things have changed, but much has stayed the same. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading this > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of your > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water to > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking for > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand what > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very much > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good place > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given any > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the female. What > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are in this > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female to take > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can often > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger livebearer > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > They had babies. > > All babies die. > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not > in > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > bought > > as > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if > those > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females > for > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > orange/red > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line > > below.. > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > pineapples" > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue > to > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same > > fish > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of > the > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from > > some > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > tank... > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has > two > > red > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > racist...lol > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > tim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35380	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Thanks Lenny, I will definitely let you know how long he makes it. As far as I can tell he's healthy, just mad about his tank size, he thumps the other fish with his tail and either eats them or leaves them to die if he doesn't like them, bad fishy ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > He most likely is stunted right now, but many catfish live long lives and > many grow slow so if they are moved to a proper sized tank, they could > start > growing again. Unfortunately, I just peeked at my own article on fish > lifespans and according to my research, "How Long Should Your Fish Live" > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm> > l, Pictus Catfish only live around 8 years, so he could be getting > close to > the end since he's been kept in such an undersized tank for so long which > substantially shortens a fishes lifespan. I hope he proves me wrong > and let > me know, in a few years, and if he makes it over 8 years... post a comment > on my blog so I can update my research. I need to re-research some of that > article since it has been well over a year since I've done any major > work on > that article... although it's pretty extensive with a couple of hundred > common fish listed. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! > > A question on pictus catfish. I'm going to rescue my parent's pictus > catfish > out of their (yes I know it's awful) 20 gallon tank. Good news is that he > has only a few tank mates, but the really bad part of it is that he > has been > in that tank for easily 5+ years and I'm concerned as to how much stunting > he has overgone in that time. He is about 4-5 inches in size and I don't > think he has every really grown since she got him, perhaps he might have > grown a couple inches though I'm not sure. > As soon as I get my smaller fish put into the 55 gallon tank I'm going to > rescue the catfish and put him in with my severum and 2 angel's. I already > know the little bugger is a great danio eater and he's not going anywhere > near my glofish ;) LOL. Nice expensive fish food that mom got for him > a few > months back ;) heh. > I can't wait to see how he does in a tank more suited for him though, poor > guy. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks > > on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a > > third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy > > a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at > > least to him. LOL ;-) > > > > What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs > > that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two > > at a time. > > Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do > > that). > > Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your > > remaining fish. > > > > If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 > > gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! > > > > The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to > > 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for > > this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus > > Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis > > grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether > > they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about > > 50G. > > > > But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then > > all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only > > have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. > > Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators > > and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so > > maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. > > > > Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, > <http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm,> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, > <http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm,>> put a bullet in the advanced > > Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of > > your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a > > reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested > > tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. > > > > Here's your three biggest species for starters... > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pterygoplichthys_gibbiceps.html>> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html>> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html>> > > > > For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right > > under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a > > long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my > > blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll > > see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized > > fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! > > > > Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish > > will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much > > nicer than that. > > > > Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days > > and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jocelyn > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! > > > > I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at > > Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue > > gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, > > 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 > > male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 > > there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin > > pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there > > are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it > > takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of > > the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get > > really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and > > start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their > > health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35381	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Couple of additional questions 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had high ammonia even with One & Only. I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not clear - yes? In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. DrTim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35382	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

I am still involved with ACA (American Cichlid Assn). I have been the treasurer for the past 10 or so year. Still keep cichlds, koi and saltwater fish. Steve - I still give talks but not that often in the East as I do not get many invites. I spoke to the Long Island Cichlid Assn last year and the Brooklyn Aqua Soc a few years ago. Anyone in the San Diego area I will be speaking at the San Diego Tropical Fish Society Feb 8 in Balboa Park (Hope this plug is ok on the forum). Cheers DrTim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35383	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

I used a scoop to remove the eco-complete. Job not perfect, but I got down to using a rag to get the last parts, my thoughts was I wanted to get as much out, like rinsing the gravel to get the dirt out.. Did not have a wet dry vac, and did not want to scratch up the tank. The filter was the same as ran in the eco-complete tank, with the plants for a couple, three? weeks. Also the same bio wheel as well. Could that be a problem? I so any suggestions? This bacteria stuff is complex! Yes, I shook up the bottle, and it was discolored, not clear by any means. I am glad that you stand by your product. The fact that you do gives me great hope that it will work for me. There seems to be so many things that people sell that is subjective in results. And so many people willing to sell them and if 30% believe it works, and 20% do not bother to get there money back, and for those companies I mean fight for it, well the have made a tidy sum. Your product is different in that it can be measured, not your lessened the look of wrinkles or, (Keeps your water sparkling clear in just 3 weeks - many can convince themselves that "yes, indeed it is clearer, I think"). Or anything like that Anyway I guess I am trying to say thanks for sending me the new bottle, I will use it all at once like the bottle suggests, and throw the other bottle away. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:41 PM, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@...>wrote: > Couple of additional questions > > 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. > Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the > second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had > high ammonia even with One & Only. > > I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say > > "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains > live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural > food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted > Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which > makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." > > This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really > is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert > organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet > but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the > nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much > ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. > > 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the > bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not > clear - yes? > > In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. > > DrTim > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35384	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

No worries Harl, you're welcome. My customer and their fish are the important things and if the first are happy the second will flourish. My goals are to treat people how I wish to be treated and try and make thing less complicated. By the way - don't dump the whole in that you're receiving - I sent you a big one. So shake well and add 1 or 2 oz and save the rest in the refrigerator. Good fishkeeping

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35385	From: Crazycat Lady	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: my mystery snail has a clear worm living inside its shell

is it harmful?  i looked up parasites and found some frightening things about rat lungfish.  thanks! Leah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35386	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: my mystery snail has a clear worm living inside its shell

How do you know? Mystery Snail shells are not clear. Of course, snails are similar to worms if that is what you are talking about.. but then he's supposed to be living in there. LOL What is the reference to "rat lungfish"? I did a Google on - rat lungfish mystery snail - and see absolutely nothing that looks applicable. Certainly, there are rats and there are lungfish but neither have anything to do with Mystery Snails. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crazycat Lady Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] my mystery snail has a clear worm living inside its shell is it harmful?  i looked up parasites and found some frightening things about rat lungfish.  thanks! Leah

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35387	From: jocie stock	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

I end up cleaning the tanks because I feel bad for the fish. My husband apparently thinks I have all the time in the world since I stay home to care for the kids and the house. --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:06 PM Who's cleaning this tank twice a day?! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jocelyn" <snowangel127@ sbcglobal. net> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35388	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

In a message dated 1/6/2009 4:49:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: think AlGore calls that global warming.. lol). We usually get snow about once every five to ten years... the last really bad freeze (below freezing for three days straight) and heavy snow (3") was back in December, 1989. Lenny Vasbinder Lenny; Just wait till that volcano in Yellowstone blows it's top, as it's threatening to do. Then we will be smack dab in the middle of an ice age...yeah, global warming indeed. Seems to me the good "scientists" that predict all this doom and gloom conveniently forget that in the time of the dinosaurs there were tropical forests all the way to Canada... Enid **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35389	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...

In a message dated 1/6/2009 9:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we are a major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from Katrina so I have to plug our great city every chance I get! Lenny Vasbinder Good Lord Lenny! Stop teasing! Enid **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35390	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...

Len,   In all truthfulness, you don't have to plug N'Awlins. It's a great city with even greater people! If you can't go there and have a terrific time..........you better get yourself checked in somewhere because you have real head problems!   All of these great comments and I was only there for 2 hours changing planes! Very laid back and very friendly people!  Heck, the food alone is worth the trip! And party?  These folks know how!   Bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn@...> wrote: From: Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:39 AM In a message dated 1/6/2009 9:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@gmail. com writes: Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we are a major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from Katrina so I have to plug our great city every chance I get! Lenny Vasbinder Good Lord Lenny! Stop teasing! Enid ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35391	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: I really messed up this time!

In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. � Plumbing and leveling the tank! � I can�t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a �rookie� would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!� � Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.� This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.� There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.� This stand would appears to be�much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. � If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.� I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.� � If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real �how to with step by step instructions.� I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!� A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and�also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.� Messed up AGAIN! � Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35392	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. � Plumbing and leveling the tank! � I can�t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a �rookie� would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!� � Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.� This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.� There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.� This stand would appears to be�much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. � If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.� I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.� � If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real �how to with step by step instructions.� I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!� A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and�also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.� Messed up AGAIN! � Bill � � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35393	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

i don think any of my tanks are perfectly level. they all seem to lean just a hair to the front. Never been an issue. looking from the front you dont notice it. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35394	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

If you don�t do this pressure leaks could start from the tank twisting or having more pressure on the uneven areas or sides than it should. � Please trust me on this point.� You want a tank to be completely flat and level and plumb BEFORE you put any water or fish in it.� Not to�do this will invite disaster and maybe wet carpets in your home to say nothing of the damage to the animals and equipment. This is true for ALL size tanks even a 10-gallon. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:41 AM why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. � Plumbing and leveling the tank! � I can�t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a �rookie� would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!� � Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.� This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.� There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.� This stand would appears to be�much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. � If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.� I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.� � If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real �how to with step by step instructions.� I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!� A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and�also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.� Messed up AGAIN! � Bill � � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35395	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

Wow, I guess I lucked out that my buffet and floor are level. Or at least their lack of levelness cancels each other out. I never would have thought to use a leveler before filling the tank with water. I guess it's all level, because the water line and top of the tank frame seem parallel. Oh my golly - so many things to keep track of. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. Plumbing and leveling the tank! I can’t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a “rookie” would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it. If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real “how to with step by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. Messed up AGAIN! Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35396	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

of course i trust you!! you guys seem to know what your doing! i was thinking that the tank was already level if placed on a flat sturdy surface and by eye that i could see if it wasn't! lol, i guess i need to borrow dads tools again --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:52 PM If you don�t do this pressure leaks could start from the tank twisting or having more pressure on the uneven areas or sides than it should. � Please trust me on this point.� You want a tank to be completely flat and level and plumb BEFORE you put any water or fish in it.� Not to�do this will invite disaster and maybe wet carpets in your home to say nothing of the damage to the animals and equipment. This is true for ALL size tanks even a 10-gallon. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:41 AM why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. � Plumbing and leveling the tank! � I can�t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a �rookie� would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!� � Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.� This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.� There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.� This stand would appears to be�much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. � If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.� I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.� � If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real �how to with step by step instructions.� I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!� A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and�also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.� Messed up AGAIN! � Bill � � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links � � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links � � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35397	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water out and add new! Good Luck! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once > with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35398	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Dr. Tim When I received mine and shaking well it poured out a grayish milk color. No red tint at all to it. So do think is had been frozen? Philip --- On Tue, 1/6/09, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@...> wrote: From: tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:41 PM Couple of additional questions 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had high ammonia even with One & Only. I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not clear - yes? In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. DrTim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35399	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

But if it un-level from left to right, you will notice it.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: David Keymel Date: 1/7/2009 10:49:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! i don think any of my tanks are perfectly level. they all seem to lean just a hair to the front. Never been an issue. looking from the front you dont notice it. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35400	From: Herman Melville	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: An experiment has started...

Hey Philip Not sure but not a good sign, compare the color of the new stuff to the old stuff and get back to me, ok. In any case, the new stuff will work fine DrTim ________________________________ From: Philip Charles <alone29784@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... Dr. Tim When I received mine and shaking well it poured out a grayish milk color. No red tint at all to it. So do think is had been frozen? Philip --- On Tue, 1/6/09, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:41 PM Couple of additional questions 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had high ammonia even with One & Only. I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not clear - yes? In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. DrTim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35401	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

So, do you shim up the tank stand by adding pieces of wood under the legs,or what? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/7/2009 10:13:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, uneekfish@... writes: Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water out and add new! Good Luck! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <_warrenprint@warrenpri_ (mailto:warrenprint@...) > wrote: > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once > with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35402	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Thanks Lenny, the list is great. I haven't stocked yet, so I have some thinking to do. I love the Orandas, but I just could not EVER pare back the forehead if needed. If he/she wiggled, I'd probably lob off it's head by mistake. I have no problem with the water maintenance wkly. And thanks again and I will keep reading and absorbing all info my brain can hold.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 10:50:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Orandas, Ryukins or any other round-bodied goldfish (fancy goldfish) will be OK with two of them in a 55G as long as there is weekly tank maintenance done. Long-bodied goldfish like Comets, Commons, Shubunkins, Wakins, Jikins (and any other newer long-bodied varieties that may have popped up from cross-breeding) need REALLY BIG TANKS or preferably should be in a pond. They are big-time swimmers so they need at least an 8' long tank... or longer for the bigger ones. As a general rule for all fish, fast swimming fish should be given a tank at least 8X+ longer than the expected adult size of the largest fish in the tank. Slow swimming fish should be given at least 6X longer than the expected adult size of the fish. This is why a 55G, 48" long tank is OK for round-bodied goldfish that usually grow up in the 6" to 8" range.... although there is always Bruce the Oranda who currently holds the Guinness World Record and is 18" and still growing. Here is a pretty comprehensive list of the various goldfish varieties http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm although breeders are always playing Dr. Frankenstein and coming up with new mutations every day. I like goldfish and have had ponds in the past and have a couple of fancies now, but I don't agree with everything that is done to them from a breeding standpoint to make new fancy features to try and sell more goldfish to collectors and hobbyists. I'm all for capitalism and would probably classify as a capitalist pig... but each time they do these series of inbreedings to get a specific new external organ features, it usually means other internal organs will also suffer from various deformities resulting in fish that are much more prone to being sickly and/or dying earlier deaths than the "normal" goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35403	From: jocie stock	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Lenny I've read your blog before about how to stock the 10 gal. Your suggestions are a lot better than the lfs. They suggest 1 inch of fish per gal but they say for each level. So for a 10 gal 10 inches of surface fish, 10 inches of mid level fish, and 10 inches of bottom dwellers. Maybe that's where hubby got the brillant idea to have so many fish. I realize there are all colors, sizes, shapes of fish out there but we don't have to own them all. Now he wants to get a male black skirt since the 2 we have are females. He says they'll get sick if they can't have relations with a male fish. I have no idea how he thought that one up. I'm trying to convince him they'll get sick faster if he does get the male. We did have more guppies but I did manage to get some of them rehomed before he caught on. His solution was to buy they pictus cats since we had the extra room from getting rid of the guppies. When I think about the fish situation for very long, that "men" song comes to mind. " You can't live with them and you just can't shoot them, men!" No offense. --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 8:57 PM Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a time. Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do that). Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your remaining fish. If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. Go to http://www.mongabay .com/search. htm, put a bullet in the advanced Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. Here's your three biggest species for starters... http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Pterygoplichthys _gibbiceps. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Gyrinocheilus_ aymonieri. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Pimelodus_ pictus.html For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than that. Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35404	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...

That must have been some 2 hour lay over! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Len, > > In all truthfulness, you don't have to plug N'Awlins. > It's a great city with even greater people! > If you can't go there and have a terrific time..........you better get > yourself > checked in somewhere because you have real head problems! > > All of these great comments and I was only there for 2 hours changing > planes! > Very laid back and very friendly people! Heck, the food alone is worth the > trip! > And party? These folks know how! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn%40aol.com> <Gwydryn@...<Gwydryn%40aol.com>> > wrote: > > From: Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn%40aol.com> <Gwydryn@...<Gwydryn%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying > days!!! (wa... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:39 AM > > In a message dated 1/6/2009 9:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > GoldLenny@gmail. com writes: > > Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we are a > major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from Katrina so I > have to plug our great city every chance I get! > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Good Lord Lenny! Stop teasing! > Enid > ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35405	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

that's what I am trying to find out,   Bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jpateson@... <Jpateson@...> wrote: From: Jpateson@... <Jpateson@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:56 AM So, do you shim up the tank stand by adding pieces of wood under the legs,or what? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/7/2009 10:13:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, uneekfish@gmail. com writes: Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water out and add new! Good Luck! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <_warrenprint@ warrenpri_ (mailto:warrenprint@ yahoo.com) > wrote: > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once > with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

How unlevel is it? Can you take pics from front and side to show it? Do you have hardwood floors, tile, carpeting, other? If it's only a little unlevel, it won't cause any danger but might not be as aesthetically pleasing. Usually, filling the water until the water line is hidden by the top tank frame solves minor leveling aesthetic issues. If the unevenness is to the point where it's creating new stress points on the stand, then that could be a problem. A 29G will weigh around 250 pounds so emptying 1/2 or even up to 2/3's of the water will at least make it a little easier and less stressful to the stand while you try and remedy the situation... and it won't be too bad for the fish. Just come up with your plan first so you don't have the filter running dry or turned off for too long. You have an hour or so that the filter can be turned off before you start to see problems. Be very careful when trying to level it as pushing or pulling on part of the stand could cause a stressor that the stand was not designed to handle and could result in a collapse... presuming it's not built to the standards of my DIY stand. I've seen computer desks made of particle board that collapsed when people were trying to push it or pull it to a new location with all the computer components, books, etc., still on the desk. I'm sure that tank stand was engineered to be stronger than a computer desk but it's still not engineered or designed to be moved around with a fully loaded tank on it. I've seen your type of stand before and the particle board is a very rigid material so if you have to shim the front or one side, as long as you use enough shims, one every 6" or so, it should handle that. Once the front or side is raised until the tank is level, you will also want to run one or two stringers (or wooden dowels would also work) under the full length of the stand and slide them to the thinnest part of the gap. Increase the thickness of the stringers (or wooden dowels) until the gap under the base of the stand has these added supports every 6" or so. These stringers should fit snug and will help keep the raised middle section of the base from ever sagging very much, if any, into the newly created gap caused by the shims. After sliding the stringers/dowels into place, you can then use blade to cut the excess sticking out from under the stand and then use a marks-a-lot or other marker to blacken the tips of the stringers/dowels so they do not show up. I hope this helps. Pics of your situation would possibly give me more ideas. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:16 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing.   Plumbing and leveling the tank!   I can’t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a “rookie” would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!    Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.  This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.  There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.  This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand.   If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.  I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.    If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real “how to with step by step instructions.  I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!  A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.  Messed up AGAIN!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

See my previous post to Bill. A tank and the stand are designed to sit level. Considering the weight of a tank, if it's leaning too much, it starts to create new pressure or stress points which could cause either the tank or the stand to fail. Water weighs 8 pounds per gallon, along with the gravel and decoration, use 10 pounds per gallon for simplicity and to give you a margin of error. When sitting level, the water weight is evenly distributed on all sides of the glass and corners of the tank and stand. When it starts to lean too much, all of a sudden, there is a lot more weight on one side, than the other and problems can develop. Imagine a small boat in the water. When folks are situated in the boat where it's level, no problems. If everyone goes to one side of the boat and it starts to lean too much, there can be major problems, including the boat tipping over. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing.   Plumbing and leveling the tank!   I can’t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a “rookie” would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!    Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.  This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.  There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.  This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand.   If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.  I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.    If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real “how to with step by step instructions.  I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!  A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.  Messed up AGAIN!   Bill       [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

Well, a tank that is only a little uneven, maybe a 1/4" or 1/2" out of perfect vertical... I don't think that small amount will cause any major stress problems but it would be aesthetically awkward looking, especially if you can see the top water line or if the tank and stand are leaning away from a wall where the base of the stand is 2" away from the wall and the top of the tank is 2.5" away. When the difference starts to get 3" or 4" away from the wall, then it becomes more than just an aesthetic issue. Even a 1/8" unevenness at the base could create a 2" difference in the top depending on how tall the stand/tank is. The taller the tank/stand, the more potential for problems as it becomes top heavy... like in my previous boat analogy... sitting in a canoe and paddling around.. no problem... stand up in that same canoe and the chance of tipping over becomes far more likely. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! of course i trust you!! you guys seem to know what your doing! i was thinking that the tank was already level if placed on a flat sturdy surface and by eye that i could see if it wasn't! lol, i guess i need to borrow dads tools again --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:52 PM If you don’t do this pressure leaks could start from the tank twisting or having more pressure on the uneven areas or sides than it should.   Please trust me on this point.  You want a tank to be completely flat and level and plumb BEFORE you put any water or fish in it.  Not to do this will invite disaster and maybe wet carpets in your home to say nothing of the damage to the animals and equipment. This is true for ALL size tanks even a 10-gallon.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:41 AM why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts before i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing.   Plumbing and leveling the tank!   I can’t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a “rookie” would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!    Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.  This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.  There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.  This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand.   If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.  I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.    If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real “how to with step by step instructions.  I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!  A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel.  Messed up AGAIN!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35409	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

The method that you level would depend on the stand. If it has legs and you do not need much raise I would think you could place a piece of wood directly under the leg, or you could get something at the hardware store that you could raise and lower via a nut and a wrench. If the stand has the entire bottom touching the floor, then I would think it best to use something that goes the entire length, and shims back - to keep the whole of the stand in contact with the floor. The idea is to keep the stand supported as it was designed - not as critical as the bottom edges of the tank, but pretty important. I would assume that you want it to look good when done, so you would not want it sticking out in the room very far... You could send a few photos of the entire thing, and some close ups of the bottom, and mabe an idea would come to mind... On 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > that's what I am trying to find out, > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jpateson@... <Jpateson%40aol.com> < > Jpateson@... <Jpateson%40aol.com>> wrote: > > From: Jpateson@... <Jpateson%40aol.com> <Jpateson@...<Jpateson%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:56 AM > > So, do you shim up the tank stand by adding pieces of wood under the > legs,or > what? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > In a message dated 1/7/2009 10:13:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, > uneekfish@gmail. com writes: > > Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! > > I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. > HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. > > Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an > unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! > > Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as > well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water > out and add new! > > Good Luck! > > On 1/7/09, bill1433 <_warrenprint@ warrenpri_ (mailto:warrenprint@ > yahoo.com) > > wrote: > > > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > > Christmas > > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > > would not > > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at > once > > with the tank on it. > > > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with > step > > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol com/?ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0026) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

The best thing to use for shims would be pieces of hardwood shaped in wedges. Some roofing shingles could also be used if the gap needing to be filled was large enough. If you go to a hardware or big box home improvement store, they actually sell packages of shims in the windows and doors section. The wooden shims are softer but they make a composite shim out of a plastic material that is pretty rigid. Once you start pushing the point of the shim under the item, you can then tap on it until it's tight and then just bend it to break off the excess. Then use a box cutter or drywall knife to trim any excess. See my previous posts for more info about running stringers or dowels under the gap created in the middle of the base if you only put shims under one end. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! So, do you shim up the tank stand by adding pieces of wood under the legs,or what? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/7/2009 10:13:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, uneekfish@... writes: Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water out and add new! Good Luck! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <_warrenprint@warrenpri_ (mailto:warrenprint@...) > wrote: > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once > with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35411	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Wen surgery, which is only needed in rare situations, while it can be done by the hobbyist, is best left to a veterinarian or at least a hobbyist with experience. You wouldn't have to worry about the fish wiggling since it would be under anesthesia (usually clove oil solution for the hobbyist). Do not let this preclude you from choosing an Oranda. After all, you wouldn't decide to not own a cat or dog since it might get hit by a car one day and you couldn't do the surgery to repair the broken leg. These kinds of low risk situations should not be a decision breaker... now tank size, filtration, etc.... yes, that's more than a low risk situation. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Thanks Lenny, the list is great. I haven't stocked yet, so I have some thinking to do. I love the Orandas, but I just could not EVER pare back the forehead if needed. If he/she wiggled, I'd probably lob off it's head by mistake. I have no problem with the water maintenance wkly. And thanks again and I will keep reading and absorbing all info my brain can hold.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 10:50:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Orandas, Ryukins or any other round-bodied goldfish (fancy goldfish) will be OK with two of them in a 55G as long as there is weekly tank maintenance done. Long-bodied goldfish like Comets, Commons, Shubunkins, Wakins, Jikins (and any other newer long-bodied varieties that may have popped up from cross-breeding) need REALLY BIG TANKS or preferably should be in a pond. They are big-time swimmers so they need at least an 8' long tank... or longer for the bigger ones. As a general rule for all fish, fast swimming fish should be given a tank at least 8X+ longer than the expected adult size of the largest fish in the tank. Slow swimming fish should be given at least 6X longer than the expected adult size of the fish. This is why a 55G, 48" long tank is OK for round-bodied goldfish that usually grow up in the 6" to 8" range.... although there is always Bruce the Oranda who currently holds the Guinness World Record and is 18" and still growing. Here is a pretty comprehensive list of the various goldfish varieties http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm although breeders are always playing Dr. Frankenstein and coming up with new mutations every day. I like goldfish and have had ponds in the past and have a couple of fancies now, but I don't agree with everything that is done to them from a breeding standpoint to make new fancy features to try and sell more goldfish to collectors and hobbyists. I'm all for capitalism and would probably classify as a capitalist pig... but each time they do these series of inbreedings to get a specific new external organ features, it usually means other internal organs will also suffer from various deformities resulting in fish that are much more prone to being sickly and/or dying earlier deaths than the "normal" goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin's. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35412	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...

Hey... the New Orleans Int'l Airport bars are great party places. The tourists... and even us locals.. have a ball at the bars while waiting for our plane. One minute, you're disgusted by a delay.. the next minute you're dancing half-naked on the bar doing the Macarena or in a conga line doing the Mardi Gras Mambo.... at least that's what I hear. ;-) Now that's a lay over. LOL I may have even missed a plane once because I was having too much fun in the airport bar flirting with a tourist... ooops... I meant reviewing business plans on my laptop. LOL Of course, the airport bars are just the tip of the iceberg compared to the rest of the city and the 24/7 party and entertainment center known as the French Quarter. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa... That must have been some 2 hour lay over! On 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Len, > > In all truthfulness, you don't have to plug N'Awlins. > It's a great city with even greater people! > If you can't go there and have a terrific time..........you better get > yourself checked in somewhere because you have real head problems! > > All of these great comments and I was only there for 2 hours changing > planes! > Very laid back and very friendly people! Heck, the food alone is > worth the trip! > And party? These folks know how! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn%40aol.com> > <Gwydryn@...<Gwydryn%40aol.com>> > wrote: > > From: Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn%40aol.com> > <Gwydryn@...<Gwydryn%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's > partying days!!! (wa... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:39 AM > > In a message dated 1/6/2009 9:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > GoldLenny@gmail. com writes: > > Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we > are a major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from > Katrina so I have to plug our great city every chance I get! > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Good Lord Lenny! Stop teasing! > Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35413	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish!

Well.. it sounds like you may need a mallet (or maybe even a sledge hammer) to do them V-8 smacks on his forehead. Print out my long initial reply explaining about proper tank sizes and water volumes needed for the various fish and make him read it and follow it. I know you have the power of persuasion! ;-) BTW... I thought that saying was, "Women... can't live with 'em and can't kill 'em" ... unless you're O.J. or Beretta or Ted Kennedy... which I started adding to the saying a while back. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jocie stock Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! Lenny I've read your blog before about how to stock the 10 gal. Your suggestions are a lot better than the lfs. They suggest 1 inch of fish per gal but they say for each level. So for a 10 gal 10 inches of surface fish, 10 inches of mid level fish, and 10 inches of bottom dwellers. Maybe that's where hubby got the brillant idea to have so many fish. I realize there are all colors, sizes, shapes of fish out there but we don't have to own them all. Now he wants to get a male black skirt since the 2 we have are females. He says they'll get sick if they can't have relations with a male fish. I have no idea how he thought that one up. I'm trying to convince him they'll get sick faster if he does get the male. We did have more guppies but I did manage to get some of them rehomed before he caught on. His solution was to buy they pictus cats since we had the extra room from getting rid of the guppies. When I think about the fish situation for very long, that "men" song comes to mind. " You can't live with them and you just can't shoot them, men!" No offense. --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 8:57 PM Two things you can do.. well three actually... one of them V-8 smacks on the forehead might work... or divorce will definitely work... and a third option is to do an O.J. on him and collect the insurance and buy a BIG tank... but the V-8 smack and divorce are less painful.. at least to him. LOL ;-) What you should really do is find an LFS that will accept buy-backs that will give you store credit and start taking them back one or two at a time. Tell hubby they died and you flushed them (but don't actually ever do that). Then when you have enough store credit, buy a bigger tank for your remaining fish. If you try to keep everything you have now, you'll need about a 500 gallon tank or a series of big tanks adding up to 500G ... SERIOUSLY!!! The sailfin pleco, one of the "common pleco" varieties, will grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G for itself.. bare minimum water volume for this fish to survive long term.. they live for 20+ years. The Pictus Catfish grow up to 8" each and will need 40G each. The Blue Gouramis grow to 6" each and will also need 20-30G each depending on whether they are a pair or not. The CAE grows up to 11" and will need about 50G. But the good news is the Pictus Catfish lives a little longer, then all your smaller fish will become expensive fish food until you only have a few BIG fish left and then you might only need a 250G tank. Pictus Catfish grow up to be not-so-nice 6" to 8" nocturnal predators and will eat anything that will fit in their BIG AND WIDE mouths so maybe your Gouramis, CAE and Pleco will survive. Go to http://www.mongabay .com/search. htm, put a bullet in the advanced Mongabay Fish section and then type in the common names on each of your fish.. or the latin names if you know them. You'll find a reliable profile on each fish with all kinds of information, suggested tank sizes, water volume and parameters, suggested companions, etc. Here's your three biggest species for starters... http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Pterygoplichthys _gibbiceps. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Gyrinocheilus_ aymonieri. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Pimelodus_ pictus.html For suggested stocking of a 10G tank, go to my blog and on the right under labels, you'll see "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" with a long article about what will work long term in a 10G tank. While at my blog, also go to the long article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and you'll see a general guideline for how much tank you need for various sized fish. That 1" rule you might hear about is pure unadulterated BUNK! Right now, you are headed for a major disaster and all of your fish will die an early death after a sickly life. Sorry but I can't be much nicer than that. Do you have a dog house for hubby? Let him live in that for a few days and he'll quickly learn how the fish feel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP!! My husband won't stop buying fish! I can not get my husband to stop buying fish. If he sees a new kind at Wal-mart or the lfs he buys it. Right now we have a 10 gal with 2 blue gouramis, 2 black skirt tetras, 2 black phantom tetras, 2 pictus cats, 2 australian rainbows, 2 hatchet fish, 11 babies and 1 adult platy, 5 male guppies, 1 chinese algae eater and a sailfin pleco. In a hex-5 there is 8 baby platies, 2 cory cats, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 sailfin pleco, 2 zebra danios and 4 female guppies. I keep telling him there are WAY to many fish, that we need a bigger tank/more tanks, that it takes to much of my time keeping the tanks clean. I change 80-90% of the water every other day. I feel bad for the fish. I know some get really big and need more room. I can't get him to stop buying fish and start buying more tanks or at least a bigger tank for their health/well being. Any ideas on what to do?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35414	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: sealant question

How long does aquarium sealant have to cure before the water can be refilled? (If I keep my gravel in a mesh bag in another tank in the interim to facilitate re-cycling) Fish are in quarantine tank awaiting a water tight home.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35415	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question

The gravel should be in the tank with the fish and filtration... unless the "another tank" refers to another fish stocked tank. The nitrifying bacteria needs the ammonia from the fish and decaying detritus as the starting food for the nitrogen cycle. Technically, used gravel right out of a running tank and then put in another tank (even without fish as long as there is water circulation) will continue to cycle for a while as any of the detritus transferred with the dirty/used gravel will continue to break down putting out ammonia... perpetuating the nitrogen cycle. But if your Q-tank isn't cycled, then putting the gravel in there will help the nitrogen cycle in your Q-tank. The aquarium silicone cure rate would depend on how thick of a layer. When you can't smell the vinegar-ish smell and it's no longer putting out any odor, then it's cured. Usually 48-72 hours... sometimes less, sometimes more. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brooks Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] sealant question How long does aquarium sealant have to cure before the water can be refilled? (If I keep my gravel in a mesh bag in another tank in the interim to facilitate re-cycling) Fish are in quarantine tank awaiting a water tight home.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35416	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question

24 to 48 hours if I'm not mistaken. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:18:52 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] sealant question How long does aquarium sealant have to cure before the water can be refilled? (If I keep my gravel in a mesh bag in another tank in the interim to facilitate re-cycling) Fish are in quarantine tank awaiting a water tight home. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35417	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Filter Question

Hi Guys, In general how often are you supposed to change the cartridge in your filter? Ken **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35418	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

Thanks Len � the pictures would help you but there is more.� I took a bad fall ----yes me big as I am! Landed butt first but on my left shoulder as well.� Sore and not fun typing.� Lots of ice here the past day or so.� Dowel is excellant idea and from level marks to should be across the front.� One of hardwood at a 1/4 or 1/8 inch should do it just worried about the bottoms gap further back from where dowel would be placed if you get what I mean.� Raising it at all will cause a bit of gap under the remaining part.� This will have to wait until arm is better. � bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:08 PM How unlevel is it? Can you take pics from front and side to show it? Do you have hardwood floors, tile, carpeting, other? If it's only a little unlevel, it won't cause any danger but might not be as aesthetically pleasing. Usually, filling the water until the water line is hidden by the top tank frame solves minor leveling aesthetic issues. If the unevenness is to the point where it's creating new stress points on the stand, then that could be a problem. A 29G will weigh around 250 pounds so emptying 1/2 or even up to 2/3's of the water will at least make it a little easier and less stressful to the stand while you try and remedy the situation... and it won't be too bad for the fish. Just come up with your plan first so you don't have the filter running dry or turned off for too long. You have an hour or so that the filter can be turned off before you start to see problems. Be very careful when trying to level it as pushing or pulling on part of the stand could cause a stressor that the stand was not designed to handle and could result in a collapse... presuming it's not built to the standards of my DIY stand. I've seen computer desks made of particle board that collapsed when people were trying to push it or pull it to a new location with all the computer components, books, etc., still on the desk. I'm sure that tank stand was engineered to be stronger than a computer desk but it's still not engineered or designed to be moved around with a fully loaded tank on it. I've seen your type of stand before and the particle board is a very rigid material so if you have to shim the front or one side, as long as you use enough shims, one every 6" or so, it should handle that. Once the front or side is raised until the tank is level, you will also want to run one or two stringers (or wooden dowels would also work) under the full length of the stand and slide them to the thinnest part of the gap. Increase the thickness of the stringers (or wooden dowels) until the gap under the base of the stand has these added supports every 6" or so. These stringers should fit snug and will help keep the raised middle section of the base from ever sagging very much, if any, into the newly created gap caused by the shims. After sliding the stringers/dowels into place, you can then use blade to cut the excess sticking out from under the stand and then use a marks-a-lot or other marker to blacken the tips of the stringers/dowels so they do not show up. I hope this helps. Pics of your situation would possibly give me more ideas. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:16 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. � Plumbing and leveling the tank! � I can�t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a �rookie� would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it!� � Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.� This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.� There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.� This stand would appears to be�much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. � If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.� I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it.� � If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real �how to with step by step instructions.� I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did!� A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and�also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel..� Messed up AGAIN! � Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35419	From: bill1433	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

thanks Harl   read other problems here in reply to Len's answer   bill --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:08 PM The method that you level would depend on the stand. If it has legs and you do not need much raise I would think you could place a piece of wood directly under the leg, or you could get something at the hardware store that you could raise and lower via a nut and a wrench. If the stand has the entire bottom touching the floor, then I would think it best to use something that goes the entire length, and shims back - to keep the whole of the stand in contact with the floor. The idea is to keep the stand supported as it was designed - not as critical as the bottom edges of the tank, but pretty important. I would assume that you want it to look good when done, so you would not want it sticking out in the room very far... You could send a few photos of the entire thing, and some close ups of the bottom, and mabe an idea would come to mind... On 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > that's what I am trying to find out, > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jpateson@aol. com <Jpateson%40aol. com> < > Jpateson@aol. com <Jpateson%40aol. com>> wrote: > > From: Jpateson@aol. com <Jpateson%40aol. com> <Jpateson@aol. com<Jpateson%40aol. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:56 AM > > So, do you shim up the tank stand by adding pieces of wood under the > legs,or > what? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > In a message dated 1/7/2009 10:13:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, > uneekfish@gmail. com writes: > > Well, I am new here and to fish keeping, but not knew to making mistakes! > > I would drain tank water into 5 gallon buckets and rehome the fish there. > HOB fiter or whatever you have, make it work in the bucket. > > Level the stand so the tank is level. NEVER try and shim up the tank on an > unlevel stand - you would really be asking for it then! > > Put water and fish back in tank with the filter. Heck, you might just as > well get a PWC done while you are at it... So throw some of the old water > out and add new! > > Good Luck! > > On 1/7/09, bill1433 <_warrenprint@ warrenpri_ (mailto:warrenprint @ > yahoo.com) > > wrote: > > > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > > Christmas > > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > > would not > > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at > once > > with the tank on it. > > > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with > step > > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > > gravel. Messed up AGAIN! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ************ **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35420	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Filter Question

Never... well, almost never... unless you listen to the filter companies who say every 2-4 weeks.. but then they want to sell you lots of filter cartridges. ;-) See my long article about "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" for more details of how I and many others "clean" our filter cartridges and other filter media without ever throwing them away. Filter cartridges, sponges, poly pads, etc., should last for years and years. The only time you need to trash it is if starts to actually deteriorate. I haven't trashed a filter cartridge or any other filter media that I use (see my article) in over 3-4 years... and counting... since I set up my newest tank(s). Even after several years, if the actual filter floss or sponge starts to deteriorate, you can usually buy just the replacement media and still use the cartridge frame. I will just rip/scrape the old pad off and wrap the new blue/white filter pad around the cartridge and slide it in place but I guess if I wanted to be fancy, I could cut the new piece of filter pad to size and glue it in place with some aquarium silicone or aquarium safe epoxy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iksnip@... Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter Question Hi Guys, In general how often are you supposed to change the cartridge in your filter? Ken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35421	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

We were at Pets Mart today for plants and had a look at the Goldfish section .... I noticed some of the Orandas did NOT have the WEN and some that were the same size did. DI they all get it and is it a problem for all of them. Also how long does it take to "cycle" a tank of 55 G.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/7/2009 1:44:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Wen surgery, which is only needed in rare situations, while it can be done by the hobbyist, is best left to a veterinarian or at least a hobbyist with experience. You wouldn't have to worry about the fish wiggling since it would be under anesthesia (usually clove oil solution for the hobbyist). Do not let this preclude you from choosing an Oranda. After all, you wouldn't decide to not own a cat or dog since it might get hit by a car one day and you couldn't do the surgery to repair the broken leg. These kinds of low risk situations should not be a decision breaker... now tank size, filtration, etc.... yes, that's more than a low risk situation. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Thanks Lenny, the list is great. I haven't stocked yet, so I have some thinking to do. I love the Orandas, but I just could not EVER pare back the forehead if needed. If he/she wiggled, I'd probably lob off it's head by mistake. I have no problem with the water maintenance wkly. And thanks again and I will keep reading and absorbing all info my brain can hold.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 10:50:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Orandas, Ryukins or any other round-bodied goldfish (fancy goldfish) will be OK with two of them in a 55G as long as there is weekly tank maintenance done. Long-bodied goldfish like Comets, Commons, Shubunkins, Wakins, Jikins (and any other newer long-bodied varieties that may have popped up from cross-breeding) need REALLY BIG TANKS or preferably should be in a pond. They are big-time swimmers so they need at least an 8' long tank... or longer for the bigger ones. As a general rule for all fish, fast swimming fish should be given a tank at least 8X+ longer than the expected adult size of the largest fish in the tank. Slow swimming fish should be given at least 6X longer than the expected adult size of the fish. This is why a 55G, 48" long tank is OK for round-bodied goldfish that usually grow up in the 6" to 8" range.... although there is always Bruce the Oranda who currently holds the Guinness World Record and is 18" and still growing. Here is a pretty comprehensive list of the various goldfish varieties http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm although breeders are always playing Dr. Frankenstein and coming up with new mutations every day. I like goldfish and have had ponds in the past and have a couple of fancies now, but I don't agree with everything that is done to them from a breeding standpoint to make new fancy features to try and sell more goldfish to collectors and hobbyists. I'm all for capitalism and would probably classify as a capitalist pig... but each time they do these series of inbreedings to get a specific new external organ features, it usually means other internal organs will also suffer from various deformities resulting in fish that are much more prone to being sickly and/or dying earlier deaths than the "normal" goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin s. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35422	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

My 55 gallon tank is lower on the right side than the left, I never thought to fix it because the problem is from my lumpy really old carpeting. Amber Margie Phelps wrote: > > But if it un-level from left to right, you will notice it. > >  > Margie > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ <http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/> > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > <http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf> > -------Original Message------- > > From: David Keymel > Date: 1/7/2009 10:49:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > > i don think any of my tanks are perfectly level. they all seem to lean > just a hair to the front. Never been an issue. looking from the front > you dont notice it. > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Trish Souza <trish701922@... > <mailto:trish701922%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > why do you need to level a tank?just a newbie reading all the posts > before > i set up my used aquariums,lol. i haven't even started my cleaning yet!!! > > > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:16 PM > > > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" > would not > > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the > tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak > just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be > much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all > at once > with the tank on it. > > > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to > with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some > water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or > gravel. > Messed up AGAIN! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35423	From: pam andress	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

I have lost a number of adult mystery snails to the intake filter. I have a fluval canister on the tank that this happened to and I had to put a sponge pre filter on it to avoid this problem. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: alambiet@...: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:00:54 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snail snafu Yes, good point. I don't think Sunny (the Snail) has been sick; she certainly was moving about and seemed happy; there did not seem to be anything unusual going on though, well, snails aren't exactly easy to read. I think she's in shock and at the bottom of the tank, and she's probably going to be OK; she is just laying there but I can tell that her foot has shut her door nicely so she must have some muscle left. Time will tell. And this time -- I am having a girly-girl moment here -- I just don't have the strength or desire to pluck her out and smell her, which is what the super snail people suggested, cuz well, apparently the smell of dead snail is worse than that nasty flower that smells like rotting flesh and blooms once every 40 years. Now, what about hickeys with vaccumn cleaners? Seriously, Len, that is a new one on me!!!!!! LOL. Didn't somebody's momma whip them for trying things like that at home???Anyway, I'm taking a watch and see...will let you know how it goes.ThanksAlina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:>> I think something was wrong with that snail... if it actually got stuck on> the intake.. or maybe it was just trying to clean the inside of the strainer> and got part of it's foot caught.. like getting a finger caught in a crack> and then it started to panic and got sick as a result of the stress. > > I had two powerful filter systems on my tank when I had Mystery Snails (a> 350GPH and a 200GPH) and they would crawl all over the intake tubes and even> the filter intake strainer with no problems. I also see much smaller snails> crawling around on the intake tube with no problems. A healthy fish or any> other critter should not get sucked against a filter intake strainer. When> this happens to a fish, it usually means the fish was already sick or> weakened from something else. Now fry would certainly be at more risk since> they can't swim as well, but healthy adult fish should not be affected at> all... nor should snails or other healthy critters.> > Watch your filter intake some times. While it is certainly sucking in a lot> of water, it's not nearly as strong of a suction as you might think. I> regularly see a piece of detritus (small piece of leaf or poop) float by the> intake within an inch or closer to the intake and not get sucked in. I've> also seen a single blade of anacharis leaf get sucked onto the intake and> just sit there, not getting sucked in through the slightly smaller strainer> opening... same with a piece of fish poop. > > Now, if something was able to cover all of the slots on the intake screen,> like if the snail had a large enough foot to envelope the entire strainer,> that might create enough suction to cause a problem... think about putting> your hand near a vacuum cleaner hose and feeling the air flow by.. no big> deal... and then putting your hand over the entire opening and the amount of> suction that then occurs... big difference.... like the teens who would give> themselves hickeys with vacuum cleaners back in the day. Did anyone ever> fall for them perfectly round hickeys? LOL> > OK.. back to fish. Certainly, if you have really small fish, potential for> fry in the tank or a sick fish, putting a sponge or other protection over> the intake (I use a small pore filter media bag on the intake of my AC-20 on> my Cherry Shrimp tank since the cherry shrimp fry are so small) would help> but there are millions of people running filters on their tanks without a> problem so when something happens, it's usually a result of the fish or> critter being sick first, not the filter system causing enough suction to> cause a problem.> > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On> Behalf Of Jerry> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:36 AM> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail snafu> > Hi> > I think netting such as used on a bridal veil could be taped or rubber> banded to the inlet. This would keep everything larger than a baby guppy> from going up the tube.> > Jerry> > Alina wrote:> > > > Hi guys> > > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, > > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the > > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just > > at the bottom of the tank.> > > > The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > > like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > > up the system...> > > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from > > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube?> > > > Thanks> > > > Alina> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35424	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Many of the PetsMart fish are the bottom of the barrel fish from breeders since PetsMart wants the best/lowest prices on what they buy. Most breeders will keep the best fish for themselves, the next best would go to their closest friends who are also breeders, then to their local customers, aquarium societies, LFS and lastly to the big box pet stores and other pet departments like Wal-Mart. They are still fine as pets (that's where I got my goldfish at)... just like the American Mutt is still one of the best dogs... but they'll not likely win any "Best Of Show" prizes at a society show. All that said, no two wens grow the same and some fish will grow a big wen and then it shrinks, other fish will have a small wen that all of a sudden decides to start growing like crazy until wen surgery is needed. If you want to be able to pick out a high quality goldfish, you should look at buying from one of the online sources for goldfish.... but these goldfish usually sell for a minimum of $25.00 and up... with the best of the best selling in the hundreds of dollars range. ;-) Places like GoldfishUtopia.com, GoldfishConnection.com, Goldfishnet.com and a regular poster in the Yahoo Gold-Fish groups is guy who I think imports goldfish and sells them out of his garage... at least that's the name of his website... GoldfishGarage.com ;-) There's always Aquabid.com also. With most of these, you can actually see photos or video and possibly even live streaming video of the fish you will be bidding on and/or buying. Of course, shipping is always a factor when buying online. The first three sites actually have weekly auctions for their goldfish. Aquabid is like the eBay for fish selling. All of this probably leads you back to PetsMart where you can get a decent pet at a much lower price. Look at buying one of the middle sizes instead of the smallest ones. The middle sizes will cost you a couple of dollars more but they are more likely to have been culled better.. whether physically culled by the breeder or simply where the weaker or more likely to be sick babies died off before growing to mid-size so the ones you see are likelier to be the more healthier specimens. It's better to spend $4.99 each for two bigger fish that are more likely to be healthy, than $1.99 each on two smaller fish that might have more health problems as they mature and then you'll be spending $20.00 on medications in the first few months. Look for fish that swim well and are swimming around all areas of the tank.. not just hanging out at the top or bottom... and fish that do not swim too erratically or spin or go in circles when trying to swim fast. Have the employee feed them while you are there so you can observe that they are eating and you'll also see their swimming abilities while they are chasing the food around. If they can't compete for food properly, they'll likely be more prone to stress and health issues. Another reason I mention this is that fancy goldfish are prone to having swim bladder issues which will affect their swimming abilities and it seems to escalate when they are excited.. like during feeding times. Swim bladder issues raises the stress level on the fish which then raises the likelihood of immune system issues and health issues. Last but not least, have hubby help you pick out the two fancy goldfish which might help him accept them better and quash his want for a long-bodied goldfish... since the 55G isn't really suitable for them. As far as cycling, it doesn't matter if it's a 1G bowl or a 1,000G tank, the nitrogen cycle takes roughly the same amount of time... 6 - 8 weeks. I have articles about Fishless Cycling on my "A to Z of Fishkeeping" page. If you have access to a piece of healthy filter media or a handful of gravel from a fellow hobbyist, you can seed your filter system with this which could make the fishless cycle happen in as little as 7 - 10 days. Of course, if you've been reading all of the posts recently, you will have read about Dr. Tim's One And Only which will instantly cycle a tank.. well almost instantly. You would add the One And Only one day and the fish on the next day. A 2 oz. bottle will prepare a 30G tank so you would need a 4 oz. bottle. DrsFosterSmith.com http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18986 has the 4 oz. bottle for $28.49. A Yahoo Shopping search found the lowest price on Amazon.com for as low as $18.49 from SeaCoral-com @ Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018CJUDM/ref=nosim/?tag=yahoo-pet-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B0018CJUDM&linkCode=asn Ask your local PetsMart to start carrying this product or check with your LFS. So far, PetsMart.com isn't carrying Dr. Tim's products so we consumers need to put some pressure on the local store managers so it will happen. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back We were at Pets Mart today for plants and had a look at the Goldfish section .... I noticed some of the Orandas did NOT have the WEN and some that were the same size did. DI they all get it and is it a problem for all of them. Also how long does it take to "cycle" a tank of 55 G.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/7/2009 1:44:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Wen surgery, which is only needed in rare situations, while it can be done by the hobbyist, is best left to a veterinarian or at least a hobbyist with experience. You wouldn't have to worry about the fish wiggling since it would be under anesthesia (usually clove oil solution for the hobbyist). Do not let this preclude you from choosing an Oranda. After all, you wouldn't decide to not own a cat or dog since it might get hit by a car one day and you couldn't do the surgery to repair the broken leg. These kinds of low risk situations should not be a decision breaker... now tank size, filtration, etc.... yes, that's more than a low risk situation. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Thanks Lenny, the list is great. I haven't stocked yet, so I have some thinking to do. I love the Orandas, but I just could not EVER pare back the forehead if needed. If he/she wiggled, I'd probably lob off it's head by mistake. I have no problem with the water maintenance wkly. And thanks again and I will keep reading and absorbing all info my brain can hold.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 10:50:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Orandas, Ryukins or any other round-bodied goldfish (fancy goldfish) will be OK with two of them in a 55G as long as there is weekly tank maintenance done. Long-bodied goldfish like Comets, Commons, Shubunkins, Wakins, Jikins (and any other newer long-bodied varieties that may have popped up from cross-breeding) need REALLY BIG TANKS or preferably should be in a pond. They are big-time swimmers so they need at least an 8' long tank... or longer for the bigger ones. As a general rule for all fish, fast swimming fish should be given a tank at least 8X+ longer than the expected adult size of the largest fish in the tank. Slow swimming fish should be given at least 6X longer than the expected adult size of the fish. This is why a 55G, 48" long tank is OK for round-bodied goldfish that usually grow up in the 6" to 8" range.... although there is always Bruce the Oranda who currently holds the Guinness World Record and is 18" and still growing. Here is a pretty comprehensive list of the various goldfish varieties http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm although breeders are always playing Dr. Frankenstein and coming up with new mutations every day. I like goldfish and have had ponds in the past and have a couple of fancies now, but I don't agree with everything that is done to them from a breeding standpoint to make new fancy features to try and sell more goldfish to collectors and hobbyists. I'm all for capitalism and would probably classify as a capitalist pig... but each time they do these series of inbreedings to get a specific new external organ features, it usually means other internal organs will also suffer from various deformities resulting in fish that are much more prone to being sickly and/or dying earlier deaths than the "normal" goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Would Orandas be better?  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 9:47:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back Your 55G isn't big enough for three goldfish.. especially not one of the plain jane goldie's" which is a common goldfish that can grow up to 24" long though most only make it to the 15"+ range... still much too large for a 55G Two fancy's would work in a 55G for quite a while as long as you do your weekly tank maintenance. Also, it's never good to mix long-bodied goldfish with round-bodied goldfish Although they are the exact same species, the faster and bigger long-bodied goldfish will out compete the slower round-bodied goldfish for food... and God forbid, one of the Ryukins is a female and the common is a male... when mating time comes around, he will chase her and harass her till she's dead from exhaustion... another major reason not to mix them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I'm back Hi Lenny I'm back..... I'm the one that had to move and find a home for my 5 young ones. 2 Orandas, 2 ryukin and I koi. I am now living in Union, KY. Much better then Houston. Miss Texas, but NOT Houston. I have partly set up tank, just need to get some new plants, add water and see if everything still works properly. And let tank cycle. Would you know how long that takes? My tank is a 55G and this time I am only getting Ryukin s. Two, plus one streamline plain Jane goldie for hubby, he likes them. Am I ok with this combination? I am glad to be back fish people.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2009 8:28:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35425	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

Hmmm... is this what the intake looks like on yours? http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-4723208t400.jpg With that kind of strainer, which is very similar to the strainers on most other filter systems, I don't see how it's happening. I just did a Google search and do not see where it's very common either. Applesnail.net "Discussion" section (forums) are the best place to go for snail help. Them great folks are fanatics about snails. ;-) I just did a search in their forums - snail stuck on intake - and there's the current thread (reciprocal thread as is happening here) and then there's a thread in June 2008 and November 2007... not very frequent incidents. I didn't read the full threads but I would still speculate that something else was up with the snails before they got stuck to the filter intake... but anything is possible. I've seen kids stick their heads between open-riser's of two stairs and then not be able to get their head back out without the jaws of life (or some other fire department tool back then) spreading the steps open a little... yep... me as a kid.. LOL... and then there's that Christmas movie where the kid sticks his tongue to the frozen light pole... never did that! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:43 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Snail snafu I have lost a number of adult mystery snails to the intake filter. I have a fluval canister on the tank that this happened to and I had to put a sponge pre filter on it to avoid this problem. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: alambiet@...: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:00:54 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snail snafu Yes, good point. I don't think Sunny (the Snail) has been sick; she certainly was moving about and seemed happy; there did not seem to be anything unusual going on though, well, snails aren't exactly easy to read. I think she's in shock and at the bottom of the tank, and she's probably going to be OK; she is just laying there but I can tell that her foot has shut her door nicely so she must have some muscle left. Time will tell. And this time -- I am having a girly-girl moment here -- I just don't have the strength or desire to pluck her out and smell her, which is what the super snail people suggested, cuz well, apparently the smell of dead snail is worse than that nasty flower that smells like rotting flesh and blooms once every 40 years. Now, what about hickeys with vaccumn cleaners? Seriously, Len, that is a new one on me!!!!!! LOL. Didn't somebody's momma whip them for trying things like that at home???Anyway, I'm taking a watch and see...will let you know how it goes.ThanksAlina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:>> I think something was wrong with that snail... if it actually got stuck on> the intake.. or maybe it was just trying to clean the inside of the strainer> and got part of it's foot caught.. like getting a finger caught in a crack> and then it started to panic and got sick as a result of the stress. > > I had two powerful filter systems on my tank when I had Mystery Snails (a> 350GPH and a 200GPH) and they would crawl all over the intake tubes and even> the filter intake strainer with no problems. I also see much smaller snails> crawling around on the intake tube with no problems. A healthy fish or any> other critter should not get sucked against a filter intake strainer. When> this happens to a fish, it usually means the fish was already sick or> weakened from something else. Now fry would certainly be at more risk since> they can't swim as well, but healthy adult fish should not be affected at> all... nor should snails or other healthy critters.> > Watch your filter intake some times. While it is certainly sucking in a lot> of water, it's not nearly as strong of a suction as you might think. I> regularly see a piece of detritus (small piece of leaf or poop) float by the> intake within an inch or closer to the intake and not get sucked in. I've> also seen a single blade of anacharis leaf get sucked onto the intake and> just sit there, not getting sucked in through the slightly smaller strainer> opening... same with a piece of fish poop. > > Now, if something was able to cover all of the slots on the intake screen,> like if the snail had a large enough foot to envelope the entire strainer,> that might create enough suction to cause a problem... think about putting> your hand near a vacuum cleaner hose and feeling the air flow by.. no big> deal... and then putting your hand over the entire opening and the amount of> suction that then occurs... big difference.... like the teens who would give> themselves hickeys with vacuum cleaners back in the day. Did anyone ever> fall for them perfectly round hickeys? LOL> > OK.. back to fish. Certainly, if you have really small fish, potential for> fry in the tank or a sick fish, putting a sponge or other protection over> the intake (I use a small pore filter media bag on the intake of my AC-20 on> my Cherry Shrimp tank since the cherry shrimp fry are so small) would help> but there are millions of people running filters on their tanks without a> problem so when something happens, it's usually a result of the fish or> critter being sick first, not the filter system causing enough suction to> cause a problem.> > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On> Behalf Of Jerry> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:36 AM> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail snafu> > Hi> > I think netting such as used on a bridal veil could be taped or rubber> banded to the inlet. This would keep everything larger than a baby guppy> from going up the tube.> > Jerry> > Alina wrote:> > > > Hi guys> > > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird happened with one of my snails, > > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) onto my intake tube in the > > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her loose and she's still just > > at the bottom of the tank.> > > > The folks at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > > like a sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > > up the system...> > > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent them from > > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube?> > > > Thanks> > > > Alina> >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35426	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: CB, Raven and Lucille

Wednesday Check in (Day 21 reduced salt; 37 total) - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: almost 40ppm (The Nitrite seems to want to stay at .25, but it does read 0 for tap water and the Nitrates are rising so I'm going to trust the .25 reading. Hopefully adding the 2nd 20G tank will get the Ammonia and Nitrites to 0) - Did 5G PWC The extra siphon tube end does fit, so now I don't have to turn off the filter during PWCs :-D My 3"OD Tenite tube arrived for the water bridge. It's really clear and sturdy, too. The shipping tube has a big dent in it and it didn't affect the tubing at all. I'll wait until the API Fungus Cure arrives and then I'll start getting rid of the salt. CB's tail seems to be growing and Raven's also. My timeshare daughter tells me that CB's tail used to be bigger than her body, so yeah, I think there was fin rot going on, but it seems to be healing. The former owner insists the fish had no problems before I got them. Ooookay. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille It's the bacteria in solution that I was concerned about. How long does it take for it to get a good foothold in the gravel and biomax? I'll go check and see if the extra tip will stay put on the end of the current one. The ammonia and Nitrate test bottles were starting to feel light, so I got refills and tested the nitrates twice and got the same results. I normally shake the bottles upside down to make sure the silt on the bottom mixes in. I forgot all about bringing a sample to the LFS. I got sidetracked with those color changes on Lucille. OK, I'm going to stop getting neurotic about my goldfish, now. They look perfectly happy and as long as the tank readings are fixable with PWCs, I'll just hang on until I get the 2nd tank set up before I fret over getting the cycling complete. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille No. As long as the salt is added slowly in the first step to prevent the fish and/or bacteria from going into shock, then they should be fine... at least up to the 0.3% range. When you inadvertently went up to the 0.5% range near the beginning, that might start to affect the nitrifying bacteria but probably not since you never did see a major cycling issue.. just this constant mini-cycling issue. If it's an Aquaclear filter, the extra end could just slide onto the existing end since the tubes are slightly tapered. No problem having two strainers since the inside one will not likely be affected since the bottom one would catch any big stuff anyhow until it breaks down enough to slip through the slots. It's better in some ways to have the intake deeper into the tank to make sure there is sufficient circulation in the deeper sections of the tank. The fact that your nitrates keep rising sure seems to indicate that your tank is cycled. I'm wondering if the nitrite test might be giving a slightly bad reading. Double check your instructions. Double shake the bottles. Maybe bring a water sample to your LFS or pet store to see what they come up with for nitrites. From all I've read over the years, it's usually the API Nitrate test that will sometimes fail or give bad readings due to the chemicals settling and hardening in the bottom of the bottle, which can be remedied by making sure you shake it plenty. I haven't seen this issue with the API Nitrite kit. I shake all of my bottles before using them just to make sure everything is in solution... and I even tap the bottoms of the bottles to loosen up anything that might have settled too much. Once your fish are fully healed up, you should certainly start weaning them off the salt since they do not need salt in their water once every thing is cycled and the fish are healthy. When you refer to "hate removing good bacteria with PWC's", do you mean the SafeStart? Other than that, very few of the good nitrifying bacteria live in the water column. They live on all of the surface areas of the tank and mostly in your filter media. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille Tuesday Check in (Day 20 reduced salt; 36 total) - Noon: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: between 0 and .25ppm (up, sigh); Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: almost 20ppm - I hate removing good bacteria with frequent PWCs, but it looks like another week or two before I'll have the 2nd tank and water bridge ready to go. - Is the salt possibly affecting the bacteria and slowing it down? Should I stop replacing the salt during PWCs, now? - My filter (actually dd's) came with an extra end instead of an extension tube. I'll have to see what I can rig to keep the end under water during the PWCs DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35427	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami

I currently have a 55 gallon tank with a 5 inch Oscar and a 4 inch Jack Dempsey. The two fish get along very well, although I am aware that I will need a bigger tank soon. While at the small downtown fish store the other day my husband fell in love with the giant gourami that lives there (over 1 foot). My question, can a 4 to 5 inch giant gourami live with an oscar and a jack dempsey for a little while? If the tank is well planted with hiding places?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35428	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami

Hopefully you're not buying the foot long gourami ;) I would not recommend adding one, some of them are more aggressive than others (gourami's) but that doesn't mean he or she will be able to hold thier own against the oscar or the dempsey. Right now your tank is very stocked though, both of those large fish are going to produce lots of waste and you should be looking at a new tank rather than getting any more fish. Unless you like doing lots of water changes ;) Amber Elizabeth wrote: > > I currently have a 55 gallon tank with a 5 inch Oscar and a 4 inch > Jack Dempsey. The two fish get along very well, although I am aware > that I will need a bigger tank soon. While at the small downtown fish > store the other day my husband fell in love with the giant gourami > that lives there (over 1 foot). My question, can a 4 to 5 inch giant > gourami live with an oscar and a jack dempsey for a little while? If > the tank is well planted with hiding places? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35429	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami

Also just because they are smaller than they're eventual size most cichlids will grow pretty fast if you keep their tank well cleaned and feed them very well. For instance I've had a Severum (which can easily get 10 inches long, not to mention how wide) for almost 3 months now and he has easily more than tripled in size since I got him, I swear he doubles in size each month, and has now gotten to the point where he has started to pull my plants out of the substrate while he's searching for food, I swear he's always hungry too. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Hopefully you're not buying the foot long gourami ;) I would not > recommend adding one, some of them are more aggressive than others > (gourami's) but that doesn't mean he or she will be able to hold thier > own against the oscar or the dempsey. Right now your tank is very > stocked though, both of those large fish are going to produce lots of > waste and you should be looking at a new tank rather than getting any > more fish. Unless you like doing lots of water changes ;) > > Amber > > Elizabeth wrote: > > > > I currently have a 55 gallon tank with a 5 inch Oscar and a 4 inch > > Jack Dempsey. The two fish get along very well, although I am aware > > that I will need a bigger tank soon. While at the small downtown fish > > store the other day my husband fell in love with the giant gourami > > that lives there (over 1 foot). My question, can a 4 to 5 inch giant > > gourami live with an oscar and a jack dempsey for a little while? If > > the tank is well planted with hiding places? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35430	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

I don't believe that my floor is level, the whole house tilts. No catastrophe yet. If it's a small amount I wouldn't worry. A larger amount I'd fix it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > Wow, I guess I lucked out that my buffet and floor are level. Or at > least their lack of levelness cancels each other out. I never would have > thought to use a leveler before filling the tank with water. I guess it's > all level, because the water line and top of the tank frame seem parallel. > Oh my golly - so many things to keep track of. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for > Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can’t believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a “rookie” > would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This > stand > is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank > and > a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak just > upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be much > like > what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to > handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so > stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the > tank > alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once > with > the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real “how to with step > by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all > truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down > and > refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water > because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. > Messed > up AGAIN! > > Bill > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35431	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

Well first, use a siphon to drain the water from teh tank. :) Then do as you would have done to begin with. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas I forgot one very, very important thing. Plumbing and leveling the tank! I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" would not make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on. This stand is one of those particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base. There are no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces. This stand would appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid. I am not sure if I should try and level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all at once with the tank on it. If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step by step instructions. I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest thing I ever did! A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. Messed up AGAIN! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35432	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question

I usually wait 24 hours. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brooks Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] sealant question How long does aquarium sealant have to cure before the water can be refilled? (If I keep my gravel in a mesh bag in another tank in the interim to facilitate re-cycling) Fish are in quarantine tank awaiting a water tight home. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35433	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Mardi Gras, Lent and Mike's partying days!!! (wa...

I wish i had the money come on down...it's been many years since I celebrated Mardi Gras there. Eric (former resident of Lake Charles) Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/6/2009 9:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > Sorry for the OT shameless plug about Mardi Gras in N'Awlins but we are a > major tourism based economy and we are still rebuilding from Katrina so I > have to plug our great city every chance I get! > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Good Lord Lenny! Stop teasing! > Enid > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026 > <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35434	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: I really messed up this time!

This is the perfect time to use cedar shakes to level the tank. If need be, the shake could go under the legs all the way to the back, then you can either break them , cut them with an X-acto knife (or score them prior to breaking), or use a coping saw to cut the shake that is not needed. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:16 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] I really messed up this time! > > In my excitement and enthusiasm when I got that 29-gallon tank for Christmas > I forgot one very, very important thing. > > Plumbing and leveling the tank! > > I can't believe an old hand like me messed up this bad, even a "rookie" would not > make this mistake but there it is, as stupid as it is, and I did it! > > Now the problem is even more compounded by the stand it sits on.  This stand is one of those > particleboard kit deals and has a flat top for the tank and a flat bottom or base.  There are > no actual tank legs so to speak just upright 1 x 6 particleboard pieces.  This stand would > appears to be much like what dealers like to call a pedestal stand. > > If we were talking about a steel stand with 4 legs I would know how to handle it but for this > stand I am lost and angry with myself for being so stupid.  I am not sure if I should try and > level it by just leveling the tank alone on the flat top stand or try to level the whole stand all > at once with the tank on it. > > If anyone has any ideas at all please answer with a real "how to with step by step > instructions.  I have made some mistakes in my life but in all truthfulness, this is the dumbest > thing I ever did!  A complete tear-down and refill would not be easy either, but we would have > to take out some water because of the weight and also is nowhere to put the fish or gravel. > Messed up AGAIN! > > Bill > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35435	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look into the other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Dewdude/Tim, > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another post in your > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He was not > replying to your initial post. > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and haven't even read > much about the various color schemes being bred into swordtails nowadays. > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with swordtails and > your initial question will reply soon. > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on them. > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer Association > for more specific breeding information on this species and other > livebearers. > http://livebearers.org/ > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of dewdude35 > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the fish... I have > seen it posted online in various locations by different common names... neon > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different names for > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site tim's tank, > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was only a 3 > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things have changed, > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading this > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of your > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water to > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking for > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand what > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very much > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good place > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given any > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the female. What > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are in this > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female to take > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can often > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger livebearer > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > They had babies. > > > All babies die. > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not > > in > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > > bought > > > as > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if > > those > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females > > for > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > > orange/red > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line > > > below.. > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > > pineapples" > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue > > to > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same > > > fish > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of > > the > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from > > > some > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > > tank... > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has > > two > > > red > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > tim >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35436	From: Pam Andress	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Snail snafu

Yes Lenny that is what it looks like. It mostly happens to the larger snails. It is probably like mentioned, the bigger foot making it have more of a suction and the snails being sucked in. I have had to pull the snail (shredded) out of the intake. Not nice believe me. So I have put pre filters on my intakes. I have so many mystery snails and they just keep breeding. I actually just took about 15 clusters out of my tanks as I'm being over loaded with them. Anyone need snails?? lol I took 40 large ones into the lfs the other day and I will be taking more large ones to another possibly on Friday. I'm also in the process of shutting down some tanks to save on my electric bill and have to figure out where to put them all. Plus I'm selling fish. So far just to the lfs, but I may put some up on aquabid. Pam > Hmmm... is this what the intake looks like on yours? > http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-4723208t400.jpg > > With that kind of strainer, which is very similar to the strainers on most > other filter systems, I don't see how it's happening. I just did a Google > search and do not see where it's very common either. > > Applesnail.net "Discussion" section (forums) are the best place to go for > snail help. Them great folks are fanatics about snails. ;-) > > I just did a search in their forums - snail stuck on intake - and there's > the current thread (reciprocal thread as is happening here) and then there's > a thread in June 2008 and November 2007... not very frequent incidents. I > didn't read the full threads but I would still speculate that something else > was up with the snails before they got stuck to the filter intake... but > anything is possible. I've seen kids stick their heads between open-riser's > of two stairs and then not be able to get their head back out without the > jaws of life (or some other fire department tool back then) spreading the > steps open a little... yep... me as a kid.. LOL... and then there's that > Christmas movie where the kid sticks his tongue to the frozen light pole... > never did that! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:43 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Snail snafu > > > I have lost a number of adult mystery snails to the intake filter. I have a > fluval canister on the tank that this happened to and I had to put a sponge > pre filter on it to avoid this problem. > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@...: alambiet@...: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 > 03:00:54 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snail snafu > > > > Yes, good point. I don't think Sunny (the Snail) has been sick; she > certainly was moving about and seemed happy; there did not seem to be > anything unusual going on though, well, snails aren't exactly easy to read. > I think she's in shock and at the bottom of the tank, and she's probably > going to be OK; she is just laying there but I can tell that her foot has > shut her door nicely so she must have some muscle left. Time will tell. And > this time -- I am having a girly-girl moment here -- I just don't have the > strength or desire to pluck her out and smell her, which is what the super > snail people suggested, cuz well, apparently the smell of dead snail is > worse than that nasty flower that smells like rotting flesh and blooms once > every 40 years. Now, what about hickeys with vaccumn cleaners? Seriously, > Len, that is a new one on me!!!!!! LOL. Didn't somebody's momma whip them > for trying things like that at home???Anyway, I'm taking a watch and > see...will let you know how it goes.ThanksAlina --- In > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote:>> I think something was wrong with that snail... if it actually got > stuck on> the intake.. or maybe it was just trying to clean the inside of > the strainer> and got part of it's foot caught.. like getting a finger > caught in a crack> and then it started to panic and got sick as a result of > the stress. > > I had two powerful filter systems on my tank when I had > Mystery Snails (a> 350GPH and a 200GPH) and they would crawl all over the > intake tubes and even> the filter intake strainer with no problems. I also > see much smaller snails> crawling around on the intake tube with no > problems. A healthy fish or any> other critter should not get sucked against > a filter intake strainer. When> this happens to a fish, it usually means the > fish was already sick or> weakened from something else. Now fry would > certainly be at more risk since> they can't swim as well, but healthy adult > fish should not be affected at> all... nor should snails or other healthy > critters.> > Watch your filter intake some times. While it is certainly > sucking in a lot> of water, it's not nearly as strong of a suction as you > might think. I> regularly see a piece of detritus (small piece of leaf or > poop) float by the> intake within an inch or closer to the intake and not > get sucked in. I've> also seen a single blade of anacharis leaf get sucked > onto the intake and> just sit there, not getting sucked in through the > slightly smaller strainer> opening... same with a piece of fish poop. > > > Now, if something was able to cover all of the slots on the intake screen,> > like if the snail had a large enough foot to envelope the entire strainer,> > that might create enough suction to cause a problem... think about putting> > your hand near a vacuum cleaner hose and feeling the air flow by.. no big> > deal... and then putting your hand over the entire opening and the amount > of> suction that then occurs... big difference.... like the teens who would > give> themselves hickeys with vacuum cleaners back in the day. Did anyone > ever> fall for them perfectly round hickeys? LOL> > OK.. back to fish. > Certainly, if you have really small fish, potential for> fry in the tank or > a sick fish, putting a sponge or other protection over> the intake (I use a > small pore filter media bag on the intake of my AC-20 on> my Cherry Shrimp > tank since the cherry shrimp fry are so small) would help> but there are > millions of people running filters on their tanks without a> problem so when > something happens, it's usually a result of the fish or> critter being sick > first, not the filter system causing enough suction to> cause a problem.> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right> side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On> Behalf Of Jerry> Sent: Tuesday, > January 06, 2009 9:36 AM> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] Snail snafu> > Hi> > I think netting such as used on a bridal > veil could be taped or rubber> banded to the inlet. This would keep > everything larger than a baby guppy> from going up the tube.> > Jerry> > > Alina wrote:> > > > Hi guys> > > > Happy New Year to all. Something weird > happened with one of my snails, > > where it was stuck (or partly sucked in) > onto my intake tube in the > > filter system..I was able to slowly pry her > loose and she's still just > > at the bottom of the tank.> > > > The folks > at applesnail.net suggested covering the tube with something > > like a > sponge, but I'm not sure whether I can do that without messing > > up the > system...> > > > Anyone have thoughts about anything I can do to prevent > them from > > sliding down the filter box and onto the tube?> > > > Thanks> > > > > Alina> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35437	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille

I moved my videos onto YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqXgisLc5w&feature=channel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille

LOL. I checked it out and not LOL'ing at your vid but the ones that YouTube suggested after watching yours.... Kenny Rogers - You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille B. B. King's guitar named Lucille Etc., etc. Next time, you might want to include "goldfish" in your title. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille I moved my videos onto YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqXgisLc5w&feature=channel

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35439	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille

Well, I did include it in the tag line, in fact it was the first word I listed, but oh well . . . Did you happen to compare it with the one from Dec 26th? CB has really filled out. My ratty vids are kind of fun, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> LOL. I checked it out and not LOL'ing at your vid but the ones that YouTube suggested after watching yours.... Kenny Rogers - You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille B. B. King's guitar named Lucille Etc., etc. Next time, you might want to include "goldfish" in your title. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager I moved my videos onto YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqXgisLc5w&feature=channel

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35440	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: My fist post. Question on Giant Gourami

My first question here is -- what do you mean by "for a little while"? And, what are you planning to do with this Giant Gourami after this "little while"? Yes, its entirely possible for a 4 to 5 inch Giant Gourami to live with a 5 inch Oscar and a 4 inch Jack Dempsey, epecially when considering these two latter fish have not yet reached maturity yet, and with that in mind, have not yet reached their full potential for any aggressiveness they may yet develop. Still, and noting you're planning on a larger tank, even when full grown, all three of these fish may (note: the word is "may," as in not certain) still get along alright. It's noted that you and your husband are aware that this Gourami can reach at least 12" in length. You may well be aware too, that Oscars can get to at least 12" and often up to 15" - 16" when maintained in proper housing. I don't know if you're aware that Jack Dempsey's will get to at least 11". I would like to point out that this 12" Giant Gourami you've seen in your LFS is only HALF-GROWN. The Giant Gourami (Osphronemus goramy) gets to 24" in nature, and not much less than that in captivity. For this reason, you may want to think twice about this 4" - 5" acquisition, unless your plans for "a bigger tank soon" include something MUCH larger. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth" <jayzlady2007@...> wrote: > > I currently have a 55 gallon tank with a 5 inch Oscar and a 4 inch > Jack Dempsey. The two fish get along very well, although I am aware > that I will need a bigger tank soon. While at the small downtown fish > store the other day my husband fell in love with the giant gourami > that lives there (over 1 foot). My question, can a 4 to 5 inch giant > gourami live with an oscar and a jack dempsey for a little while? If > the tank is well planted with hiding places? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35441	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: sealant question

For aquarium use, it's recommended by the directions to allow 48 hours. When pressed for time, I have used tanks so sealed after 24 hours, with a good rinsing, but this was not a complete sealing of all corners. If you have the time, and can allow 48 hours, I'd recommend you wait it out -- especially if laying a bead at all joints. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > How long does aquarium sealant have to cure before the water can be > refilled? (If I keep my gravel in a mesh bag in another tank in the > interim to facilitate re-cycling) Fish are in quarantine tank awaiting > a water tight home. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35442	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to your original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing our member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that had no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring to you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you directly. Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail varieties you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua-Bid if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I would advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@...> wrote: > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look into the > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another post > in your > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He was not > > replying to your initial post. > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and haven't > even read > > much about the various color schemes being bred into swordtails > nowadays. > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with swordtails and > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on them. > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > Association > > for more specific breeding information on this species and other > > livebearers. > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the fish... I > have > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > names... neon > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different > names for > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site > tim's tank, > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was > only a 3 > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things have > changed, > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading this > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of your > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water to > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking for > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand what > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very much > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good place > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given any > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the female. What > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are in this > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female to > take > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can often > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger livebearer > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > They had babies. > > > > All babies die. > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its not > > > in > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > > > bought > > > > as > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or if > > > those > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few females > > > for > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > > > orange/red > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red line > > > > below.. > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > > > pineapples" > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the bluish hue > > > to > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use the same > > > > fish > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the coloration of > > > the > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind from > > > > some > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > > > tank... > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he has > > > two > > > > red > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not too > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > tim > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35443	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Dr. Tim, Glad to see you're still keeping Cichlids. My apologies for inadvertently omitting your serving as ACA treasurer these past 10 years, which the members here should be aware of if they're to get a more complete picture of you. A quick check of my ACA BB's (Buntbarsche Bulletins) indeed show you've been treasurer since 1999. Interesting to see that you still give talks. As I will be attending our (NJAS -- North Jersey Aquarium Society) Board meeting tonight, I will pass this information along to our program chairman. I believe he is still completing a calendar of speakers for the year, and I'm sure he will consider you for an invitation if his calender provides. In that event, should it come about, I'm fairly sure we may even get \\Steve// in attendance (LOL). Regards, Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tinyfish95021" <tinyfish95021@...> wrote: > > I am still involved with ACA (American Cichlid Assn). I have been the > treasurer for the past 10 or so year. Still keep cichlds, koi and > saltwater fish. > > Steve - I still give talks but not that often in the East as I do not > get many invites. I spoke to the Long Island Cichlid Assn last year > and the Brooklyn Aqua Soc a few years ago. > > Anyone in the San Diego area I will be speaking at the San Diego > Tropical Fish Society Feb 8 in Balboa Park (Hope this plug is ok on > the forum). > > Cheers > > DrTim >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35444	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim!

Yep! As your Googling successfully turned up (and as Lenny adds to), ACA does indeed stand for American Cichlid Association and with it, BOT abbreviates Board of Trustees. I regret any confusion in these references; I had just assumed (wrongly) that most hobbyists might have known of their existence and being at least somewhat familiar with them may have recognized what I was posting about. I was not taking into consideration the newer hobbyists who may not have heard or read about this organization yet. I can only say -- sorry 'bout that. For anyone keeping Cichlids, it's well worthwhile being a member, as are any of these specialty groups. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > And of course all of us newbies know what ACA's BOT stands for, lol. > From Googling, I'm guessing American Cichlid Association's Board of > Trustees? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:23 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Who Was That Masked Man? Thanks Dr. Tim! > > > While familiarizing the group with what Dr. Hovanec has accomplished > for the hobby, I believe he is the same Tim Hovanec who served on the > ACA's BOT in the early 1990's (1992 & 1993) and perhaps later -- I > don't quite remember. In any event, a pleasure to have him as a > member here. Ray >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35445	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: I have a question..

Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and red zebra? --- Suzi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35446	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Had been wanting to get back to this post, and have now found the opportunity. I can see that your LFS's owner may well be quite profit oriented, going by those prices you mentioned, but then depending upon where his wholesaler is located, part of his prices may reflect the additional shipping charges if he's getting his fish from the "lower 48." I'm sure you could easily beat his costs for his fish when considering he wouldn't need to pay shipping charges for your fish. The "special breeder license" does sound absurd, if that's his excuse not to buy from local breeders, but I'm sure once he finds out the price of your fish compared to the cost of his landed, he would be more than happy to buy from you (why wouldn't he). I can't really figure why he wouldn't want to buy from local breeders anyway; here in the Northeast, LFS's are clammering to buy locally raised fish if they're quality, and ESPECIALLY Angelfish -- which notoriously do not take to shipping kindly (many are usually lost in transit, with many more dying within the week as a result of the stress, which today's farm-raised Angels do not tolerate). Is there really something wrong with selling your young Angelfish to your LFS at $5.00 each? (???). Possibly so, if you too are profit- oriented, but you don't need to be if you want to make money raising and selling Angelfish. Just because he's selling his young Koi Angelfish at $14.99 doesn't mean that having to set your price at $5 is going to lose you money. You can't expect to get near the same price that he is getting, with all his overhead. If you do, you can't expect to sell very many near that price. The idea is that your money is being made in the quantities you sell your LFS. Many of the Angelfish pages you see posted on Aqua-Bid may go for much more than $5 each for young Koi Angelfish, but these prices are aimed directly at the hobbyist for the most part, not at the repeated sales you would get at your LFS if you were to establish a working deal to keep selling him young Angelfish as he continued to need more, as a steady customer. Certainly, it would not cost you anywhere's near $5.00 each to raise each of your Angelfish, when you would be raising a spawn of averaging 200 Angels all at the same time. Here in the lower 48 States, the retail prices are about 1/2 that of those you posted for your LFS, at the most -- usually somewhat lower. I would be thrilled to death if I could ever get anywhere's near $5 per young Angelfish and would be laughing all the way to the bank. I would probably be dying of this laughter, that's how gleeful I'd be. Here in the Northeast, I get $2.50 each at most (usually less, maybe $2.25) for the better strains of Angelfish, including Koi, when selling "wholesale" to the LFS's. The market for Angelfish here has never commanded any higher price for them in the 45+ years I've been raising them and yet I've always made good money with them as they're one of the best sellers. Of course, if you want to consider your time as being worth $50 an hour, you could never make money raising fish, but you need to be a bit more accomodating when considering your own time. After all, this is a hobby, and part of that time is your enjoyment in doing this, yet there's still a good amount of money to be made provided you don't get too greedy. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple guppies > is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... profit > orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him I > would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention I > was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank bred" > fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder license, > LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they were > told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they > don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the salt > water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then turned > around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated that he > didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had fish > that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he got a > very good deal on her fish). > So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably 5 > dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and then > some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for 12.99 and > the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've ever > seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good > portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with just a > few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish like > the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but > they're so spendy. > I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi hadn't > passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get more > they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. Also > the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), I now > know much better, LOL. > Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are > attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring patterns. I > like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors to a > point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. > Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do when > they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's > lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I had > figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami is > easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the > severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and kind > of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will be > > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color > > pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi > > Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know that > > his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in his > > color pattern than what he is displaying. > > > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of > > their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring > > developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or > > effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, > > disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. > > > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a 50% > > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you > > had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have developed > > into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier one > > didn't make it. > > > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your > > two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is not > > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such as > > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be > > noted that we are not talking about two different species here but > > instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different > > species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile hybrids > > when it is accomplished, and most often being a > > detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its > > hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an improvement. > > > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color varieties of > > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most better > > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain to > > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain is to > > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual and > > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or > > later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to > > loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would > > preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as what > > your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic > > background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she may > > be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, > > such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish > > and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi > > strain down the line. > > > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had been a > > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised together > > as you would most probably have done, you should know that the > > inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi > > Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is the > > INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with > > the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents itself -- > > WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish in. > > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the point > > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, > > the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable from > > many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still > > quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on > > this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp eggs > > from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly from a > > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings when > > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you many > > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > > environment > > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they started > > to > > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > > striped > > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's much > > more > > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown back > > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots like > > the > > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I see > > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > > all he > > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > > and > > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > > seem to > > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on the > > top of > > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but one > > of > > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > > Koi, > > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good to > > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > > (since > > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go that > > route, > > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to order > > that > > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > > later > > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > > fully > > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > > severum is > > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > > getting > > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > > he's > > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, LOL. > > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > > preoccupied > > > with the holidays lately. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > > (lock- > > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being backed up > > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > > your > > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any faster > > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive aquarium" > > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a juvenile > > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were solid). The > > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the free > > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other tank > > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > > gathered > > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as they > > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will explore > > and > > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the other > > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, even > > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > > parents > > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the 10 > > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > > these > > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the angelfish > > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > > least > > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and will > > make > > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, you > > may > > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle down > > to > > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 to 5 > > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide finally > > to > > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > > divider > > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water circulation > > and > > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration of > > time > > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > > eaten > > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- not > > the > > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the fry's > > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be positioned > > up > > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > > would > > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry rather > > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) have > > the > > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > > clear > > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising their > > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > > fish) > > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, again > > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their eggs, at > > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if they > > want > > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness of > > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing tank > > of > > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying the > > Angel > > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant leaves > > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you mean > > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > > pattern. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > > about > > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > > answer > > > > last > > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of > > the > > > > fish > > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > another > > > > batch > > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with > > one > > > > female > > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like > > > > each other > > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > > figured > > > > something > > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying eggs > > and > > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > > kind it > > > > is > > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes > > in > > > > and is > > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud coming > > > > out as he > > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the > > two > > > > of them > > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how > > > > likely is it > > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi- aggressive > > > > aquarium with > > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank divider if > > it > > > > might > > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > afterall > > > > it's a > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see that > > they > > > > are both > > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > > increased > > > > in size > > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > > expecting > > > > female > > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are > > > > more to > > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf > > > > with eggs on > > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would > > that > > > > be a bad > > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35447	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille

Yes. You can really tell when CB swims under the bridge in each video. You know that bridge is going to have to go soon. It's a big decoration so it's taking a lot of room in the tank and the chance of it causing harm to your goldfish will rise as they get bigger... hoping they're going to get to full size! I think the tag lines work if someone is doing a YouTube search but, apparently, the title is what YouTube uses to show what they think are related vids to try and keep the surfer on their site longer. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Latest video update on CB, Raven and Lucille Well, I did include it in the tag line, in fact it was the first word I listed, but oh well . . . Did you happen to compare it with the one from Dec 26th? CB has really filled out. My ratty vids are kind of fun, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> LOL. I checked it out and not LOL'ing at your vid but the ones that YouTube suggested after watching yours.... Kenny Rogers - You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille B. B. King's guitar named Lucille Etc., etc. Next time, you might want to include "goldfish" in your title. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager I moved my videos onto YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqXgisLc5w&feature=channel

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35448	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT for Ray

Hi Hank, Just getting caught up here. It's been really busy on this site with all these posts to keep up with -- just hard to keep up with all the reading. Yes, if I could only get near $5.00 for quarter size Angels, I could make a small fortune just on them. That would be unprecedented as a wholesale price. Might even be driving a Bentley (yeah, a Rolls would be stretching it!) soon after that (LOL). Might be worth looking into some outlets for them up that way, if that's what they pay. I know during the gold rush of 1892, it was said that some stores were raking in all kinds of profits just selling food and clothing to the prospectors, but I didn't know such profits were still being made up that way. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "hank voss" <aatetras@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > Ray: > Sell some angels in Alaska ($5.00) and get a new machine or > pretty soon you will be corressponding by letter or by phone.LOL > > Regards Hank > > =========================================================== > > > > > > Hello guys, Just want you guys to know I appreciate all of your > > concerns and suggestions regarding my plight, including support > from > > my fellow club members, senior centers and software recommendations > > from all posts up until 8:24 last night. I'll take them all under > > consition, and while I'd just prefer to get this machine running > > as intended I'm sure I need to buy a new machine as this one is > plain > > getting old -- with memory capacity limited to what can be expected > > of it; still I fail to see why it can't operate at least decently > the > > way it was designed to when first marketed - but I think the time > has > > come to up-grade. Even without being a 'puter wiz, I'm sure its > > problems are internal and not due to anything internet related. > > > > These problems may be fixable, as I've had the machine in for > similar- > > problem repairs from time to time but I can't see dumping more > money > > into it when its capacity is limited anyway. With the market's > > recent encouraging rise over the last few sessions, hopefully that > > time may not be too far off. Just as the current financial > situation > > has affected so many others, my portfolio has similarly been down > > about 32% since September and I just don't feel comfortable getting > a > > big (or medium) ticket item at this time, not that I couldn't. Its > > probably more psychological that this recession is bothering me > > rather than an actuality, since my situation hasn't really changed; > > I'll no doubt splurge for this need of something newer sooner than > > later -- just old ingrained ways of thinking from early experiences > > during the War that sometimes brings out the frugality in me > (LOL). > > I'm seeing where Dell is offering some nice deals on PC's and I've > > also been looking at Gateway as a good product. > > > > As I still have the Windows 98 software, and am so used to its > > operation, I'm just wondering if I should install that OS in a new > > computer with all the controversy I see about other OS's, or would > I > > just be limiting a new PC's abilities? I don't want to get an OS > > that would give me more problems than its worth in getting used to > > it. Anyway, for the time being, I'll be struggling with this beast > > until I make myself reach deeper into the pockets (hopefully > soon). > > Many thanks for all the help, Ray > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@> wrote: > > > > > > Nice to know about the invite thing... And I have 96 of them > > left... Now > > > if I could trade them in for a 96 gal. tank... > > > > > > Hope all of you guys can help Ray out! > > > > > > Harl > > > > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Harl, > > > > > > > > Just to let you know, in case you didn't know, Gmail doesn't > have > > to be by > > > > invites any longer. It's open to everyone now for about the > past > > two years. > > > > Just go to http://www.Gmail.com <http://www.gmail.com/> and > sign > > up. I > > > > know they still give us the > > > > Invite bot on the Gmail home page > > > > > > > > It is still called Beta for some strange reason. No telling why > > Google has > > > > decided to keep it in Beta this long??? Google's answer is they > > are always > > > > working on new features but that could be said for almost any > > software that > > > > exists. Some have speculated that Google keeps it in Beta for > > legal reasons > > > > so they don't have to be as liable for any mishaps. I hope they > > don't start > > > > a trend. I was one of the original group of Beta testers when > it > > first > > > > started up.. not the first 1,000, but an invitee from one of > > those first > > > > 1,000 users. I have over 46,000 emails saved in my first Gmail > > account > > > > dating back to June, 2004 (Gmail started in April 2004) and > still > > going... > > > > only 18% full which isn't really correct since Google is > > constantly raising > > > > the bar on storage limitation. They launched Gmail offering > 1Gig > > of storage > > > > which was mind-boggling for a free email service back then. > > Hotmail was > > > > only offering 2MB and Yahoo was offering 4MB. Since then, all > of > > the > > > > freebies have increased their storage to the virtually > unlimited > > levels. > > > > > > > > I understand that Gmail is now available offline... meaning one > > does not > > > > have to be connected to the internet to read and compose recent > > emails... > > > > kind of like an email client such as Outlook but I haven't > tried > > it since I > > > > use Outlook. > > > > http://startupmeme.com/google-calendar-gmail-to-go-offline/ > > > > > > > > Heck... the Google Chrome browser didn't stay in Beta as long > as > > Gmail has. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Fish... had to mention fish to keep this on topic. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:03 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT for Ray > > > > > > > > "As for the computer, what do you mean by "again"? It's more > > like "still," > > > > or on-going, as in "ever-after" only in this case its > > not "happily" <g>. > > > > Just lost a long reply to Lenny's and > > \\Steve's//<file://steve's//> > > > > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday > afternoon. > > > > Don't know if I'll bother to write it all again. " > > > > > > > > I would be happy to send you a gmail invite, as it has a save > > draft > > > > feature. > > > > Or you could use your word processor, or even notepad to type > > your replies, > > > > save as you go and then cut and paste into the message when you > > are > > > > complete... > > > > > > > > If you want a gmail invite just let me know... > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35449	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

A neighbor across the street set up a tank this past summer and she is battling brown algae. I don't want to give her any wrong advice. I thought maybe it was from over feeding, but I looked it up and these are the causes Cause ° Diatoms ° Excess silicates & nitrates ° Inadequate light ° Low oxygen levels What is diatoms and silicates, also does it mean more lighting or less and how do you add oxygen. Her set up is pretty much the same as mine, a 55G from Pets Mart. But she has fresh water fish. Not goldies.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I'm back

Diatoms are often called Brown Algae but they are not a true single celled plant so Diatoms is the correct term. They are normal and relative common in newly set up tanks. Many attribute a part of their cause to the silicates that leach out of the silicone in a new aquarium and some decorations, substrates, etc.. They usually disappear after a few months as the tank's ecology gets fully established, unless there are excess silicates in the tap/source water. Make sure she is doing proper filter cleaning/maintenance, gravel cleaning, PWC's, etc. If she's doing the newbie mistake of trashing her filter every few weeks, it will take longer for a proper ecology to become established. Here's more reading from reliable sites... http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/algae/diatoms.shtml http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/algae.htm#brown http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article85.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I'm back A neighbor across the street set up a tank this past summer and she is battling brown algae. I don't want to give her any wrong advice. I thought maybe it was from over feeding, but I looked it up and these are the causes Cause ° Diatoms ° Excess silicates & nitrates ° Inadequate light ° Low oxygen levels What is diatoms and silicates, also does it mean more lighting or less and how do you add oxygen. Her set up is pretty much the same as mine, a 55G from Pets Mart. But she has fresh water fish. Not goldies.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35451	From: M A RAMOS	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Broken fish tank

Hello and thank you for letting me join your group. I have 6 tanks in total ranging from 55-10 gallons. My problem is my 30 gallon has gotten chipped on the side and now is slowly dripping out water...my Hubby doesn't think I can fix it. He worries that the fixed part will be too weak to hold the water...no crack just a chip...if you need to see a pic to help just let me know Thank you,Polly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35452	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: It's In There! Was Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started..

Well it arrived today! 12 gallon tank, can not overdose, I added what it says for 20 gallon. I also own Dr. Tim, aka tinyfish, aka that masked man, another thank-you. Not only did he send a bigger bottle than I purchased, but he also sent along his stress relief that is a declor & cloramine, heavy metal remover, adds buffers, vitamins, immune support, and slime coat revitalizer. Sounds like liquid prevention. I am certainly going to use it! On 1/7/09, Herman Melville <tinyfish95021@...> wrote: > > Hey Philip > > Not sure but not a good sign, compare the color of the new stuff to the old > stuff and get back to me, ok. > > In any case, the new stuff will work fine > > DrTim > > ________________________________ > From: Philip Charles <alone29784@... <alone29784%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:21:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... > > Dr. Tim > > When I received mine and shaking well it poured out a grayish milk color. > No red tint at all to it. So do think is had been frozen? > > Philip > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:41 PM > > Couple of additional questions > > 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. > > Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the > > second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had > > high ammonia even with One & Only. > > I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say > > "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains > > live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural > > food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted > > Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which > > makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." > > This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really > > is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert > > organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet > > but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the > > nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much > > ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. > > 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the > > bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not > > clear - yes? > > In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. > > DrTim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35453	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's In There! Was Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has start

Mine arrived also today. "One and Only" plus "AquaCleanse". It was cold but did not appear frozen. Letting all set to room temp and then adding the AquaCleanse and a hour later adding the One and Only. My fingers are crossed. Good luck Harl and THANKS DR. TIM !!!! --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: It's In There! Was Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 3:08 PM Well it arrived today! 12 gallon tank, can not overdose, I added what it says for 20 gallon. I also own Dr. Tim, aka tinyfish, aka that masked man, another thank-you. Not only did he send a bigger bottle than I purchased, but he also sent along his stress relief that is a declor & cloramine, heavy metal remover, adds buffers, vitamins, immune support, and slime coat revitalizer. Sounds like liquid prevention. I am certainly going to use it! On 1/7/09, Herman Melville <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hey Philip > > Not sure but not a good sign, compare the color of the new stuff to the old > stuff and get back to me, ok. > > In any case, the new stuff will work fine > > DrTim > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Philip Charles <alone29784@yahoo. com <alone29784% 40yahoo.com> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:21:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... > > Dr. Tim > > When I received mine and shaking well it poured out a grayish milk color. > No red tint at all to it. So do think is had been frozen? > > Philip > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: tinyfish95021 <tinyfish95021@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: An experiment has started... > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 11:41 PM > > Couple of additional questions > > 1) you wrote you "removed the Eco-complete" can you explain that more. > > Was there still some in the tank? I reason I ask is that you are the > > second person in two days to mention eco-complete in a tank that had > > high ammonia even with One & Only. > > I looked up what eco-complete is and here is what the makers say > > "The CaribSea Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate also contains > > live Heterotrophic Bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural > > food for your aquatic plants. The Caribsea Eco-Complete Planted > > Aquarium Substrate also creates a natural biological balance which > > makes cycling in a new aquarium faster and safer." > > This is interesting because do you realize that assuming there really > > is heterotrophic bacteria in the substrate what they do is convert > > organic matter into ammonia! I do not have any scientific data yet > > but it might be that use of this product just overwhelms the > > nitrifiers because the substrate/bacteria are producing too much > > ammonia. I do not know this for sure but it is a possibility. > > 2) You wrote that you used half a bottle - I assume you shook the > > bottle well and that the liquid poured out was a reddish-brown and not > > clear - yes? > > In any case, a replacement has been sent and I am sorry for the hassle. > > DrTim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35454	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank

Welcome to the group. "Chipped on the side"... does that mean one of the corners or in the middle of one of the panes of glass? Is this a glass tank where the corners are sealed with silicone on the inside of the tank or an acrylic tank or other? Is the damage up near the top or near the bottom of the tank? Check the info in these pages on repairing/redoing the silicone seams. http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/ht/htrepairsmleaks.htm http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107 http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M A RAMOS Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken fish tank Hello and thank you for letting me join your group. I have 6 tanks in total ranging from 55-10 gallons. My problem is my 30 gallon has gotten chipped on the side and now is slowly dripping out water...my Hubby doesn't think I can fix it. He worries that the fixed part will be too weak to hold the water...no crack just a chip...if you need to see a pic to help just let me know Thank you,Polly

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35455	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

I would have no problems selling the young angel's (or any young fish I happen to breed if he wants them) to the LFS. I think there would be a better market in gourami's or pleco's (especially the dwarf pleco's as they only order the sailfin pleco's) though, as neither arrive here well at all and most tend to die before the owners can even put them up for sale. My problem is just getting healthy specimens of either of those types of fish to my home ;) The LFS only buys male dwarf gourami's (that's literally what is on his order list, the employee showed it to me). Just ridiculous to buy only one gender unless it's the supplier he's getting it from only sells males for a reason, I wouldn't know up here in isolated Alaska ;). I currently have one male flame dwarf gourami, who is doing very well, and has gotten quite colorful now that he is being fed well (unlike my LFS who claims to only feed their fish twice a week, which is probably when the employee works because I never see the owner doing anything except smoking cigarettes inside of his fish store, or sticking his unwashed hands into fish tanks to pick out dead fish, gee wonder why they are dead? *sigh*). I'm so glad he has a competent employee who works half the week, if it was just him working I'm sure all his fish would die or be sick all the time. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Had been wanting to get back to this post, and have now found the > opportunity. I can see that your LFS's owner may well be quite > profit oriented, going by those prices you mentioned, but then > depending upon where his wholesaler is located, part of his prices > may reflect the additional shipping charges if he's getting his fish > from the "lower 48." I'm sure you could easily beat his costs for > his fish when considering he wouldn't need to pay shipping charges > for your fish. > > The "special breeder license" does sound absurd, if that's his excuse > not to buy from local breeders, but I'm sure once he finds out the > price of your fish compared to the cost of his landed, he would be > more than happy to buy from you (why wouldn't he). I can't really > figure why he wouldn't want to buy from local breeders anyway; here > in the Northeast, LFS's are clammering to buy locally raised fish if > they're quality, and ESPECIALLY Angelfish -- which notoriously do not > take to shipping kindly (many are usually lost in transit, with many > more dying within the week as a result of the stress, which today's > farm-raised Angels do not tolerate). > > Is there really something wrong with selling your young Angelfish to > your LFS at $5.00 each? (???). Possibly so, if you too are profit- > oriented, but you don't need to be if you want to make money raising > and selling Angelfish. Just because he's selling his young Koi > Angelfish at $14.99 doesn't mean that having to set your price at $5 > is going to lose you money. You can't expect to get near the same > price that he is getting, with all his overhead. If you do, you > can't expect to sell very many near that price. > > The idea is that your money is being made in the quantities you sell > your LFS. Many of the Angelfish pages you see posted on Aqua-Bid may > go for much more than $5 each for young Koi Angelfish, but these > prices are aimed directly at the hobbyist for the most part, not at > the repeated sales you would get at your LFS if you were to establish > a working deal to keep selling him young Angelfish as he continued to > need more, as a steady customer. Certainly, it would not cost you > anywhere's near $5.00 each to raise each of your Angelfish, when you > would be raising a spawn of averaging 200 Angels all at the same time. > > Here in the lower 48 States, the retail prices are about 1/2 that of > those you posted for your LFS, at the most -- usually somewhat > lower. I would be thrilled to death if I could ever get anywhere's > near $5 per young Angelfish and would be laughing all the way to the > bank. I would probably be dying of this laughter, that's how gleeful > I'd be. Here in the Northeast, I get $2.50 each at most (usually > less, maybe $2.25) for the better strains of Angelfish, including > Koi, when selling "wholesale" to the LFS's. The market for Angelfish > here has never commanded any higher price for them in the 45+ years > I've been raising them and yet I've always made good money with them > as they're one of the best sellers. Of course, if you want to > consider your time as being worth $50 an hour, you could never make > money raising fish, but you need to be a bit more accomodating when > considering your own time. After all, this is a hobby, and part of > that time is your enjoyment in doing this, yet there's still a good > amount of money to be made provided you don't get too greedy. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple > guppies > > is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... > profit > > orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him > I > > would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention > I > > was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank > bred" > > fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder > license, > > LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they > were > > told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they > > don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the > salt > > water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then > turned > > around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated > that he > > didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had > fish > > that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he > got a > > very good deal on her fish). > > So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably > 5 > > dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and > then > > some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for > 12.99 and > > the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've > ever > > seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good > > portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with > just a > > few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish > like > > the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but > > they're so spendy. > > I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi > hadn't > > passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get > more > > they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. > Also > > the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), > I now > > know much better, LOL. > > Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are > > attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring > patterns. I > > like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors > to a > > point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. > > Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do > when > > they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's > > lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I > had > > figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami > is > > easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the > > severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and > kind > > of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > > > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will > be > > > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color > > > pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi > > > Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know > that > > > his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in > his > > > color pattern than what he is displaying. > > > > > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of > > > their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring > > > developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or > > > effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, > > > disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. > > > > > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a > 50% > > > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you > > > had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have > developed > > > into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier > one > > > didn't make it. > > > > > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your > > > two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is > not > > > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such > as > > > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be > > > noted that we are not talking about two different species here but > > > instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different > > > species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile > hybrids > > > when it is accomplished, and most often being a > > > detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its > > > hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an > improvement. > > > > > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color > varieties of > > > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most > better > > > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain > to > > > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > > > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > > > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > > > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > > > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > > > > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain > is to > > > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > > > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual > and > > > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or > > > later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to > > > loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would > > > preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as > what > > > your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic > > > background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she > may > > > be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, > > > such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish > > > and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi > > > strain down the line. > > > > > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > > > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had > been a > > > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised > together > > > as you would most probably have done, you should know that the > > > inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi > > > Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is > the > > > INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with > > > the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents > itself -- > > > WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > > > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish > in. > > > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the > point > > > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > > > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, > > > the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable > from > > > many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still > > > quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on > > > this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp > eggs > > > from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly > from a > > > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > > > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings > when > > > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you > many > > > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > > > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > > > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > > > environment > > > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they > started > > > to > > > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > > > striped > > > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's > much > > > more > > > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown > back > > > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots > like > > > the > > > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I > see > > > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > > > all he > > > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > > > and > > > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > > > seem to > > > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on > the > > > top of > > > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but > one > > > of > > > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > > > Koi, > > > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good > to > > > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > > > (since > > > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go > that > > > route, > > > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to > order > > > that > > > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > > > later > > > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > > > fully > > > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > > > severum is > > > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > > > getting > > > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > > > he's > > > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, > LOL. > > > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > > > preoccupied > > > > with the holidays lately. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > > > (lock- > > > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being > backed up > > > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > > > your > > > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any > faster > > > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive > aquarium" > > > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a > juvenile > > > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were > solid). The > > > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the > free > > > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other > tank > > > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > > > gathered > > > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as > they > > > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will > explore > > > and > > > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the > other > > > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, > even > > > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > > > parents > > > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the > 10 > > > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > > > these > > > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the > angelfish > > > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > > > least > > > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and > will > > > make > > > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, > you > > > may > > > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle > down > > > to > > > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 > to 5 > > > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide > finally > > > to > > > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > > > divider > > > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water > circulation > > > and > > > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration > of > > > time > > > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > > > eaten > > > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- > not > > > the > > > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the > fry's > > > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be > positioned > > > up > > > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > > > would > > > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry > rather > > > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) > have > > > the > > > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > > > clear > > > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising > their > > > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > > > fish) > > > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, > again > > > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their > eggs, at > > > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if > they > > > want > > > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness > of > > > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing > tank > > > of > > > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying > the > > > Angel > > > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant > leaves > > > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you > mean > > > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > > > pattern. > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > > > about > > > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > > > answer > > > > > last > > > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one > of > > > the > > > > > fish > > > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > > another > > > > > batch > > > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, > with > > > one > > > > > female > > > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really > like > > > > > each other > > > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > > > figured > > > > > something > > > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying > eggs > > > and > > > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > > > kind it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish > comes > > > in > > > > > and is > > > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud > coming > > > > > out as he > > > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and > the > > > two > > > > > of them > > > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, > how > > > > > likely is it > > > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi- > aggressive > > > > > aquarium with > > > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank > divider if > > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > afterall > > > > > it's a > > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see > that > > > they > > > > > are both > > > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > > > increased > > > > > in size > > > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > > > expecting > > > > > female > > > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there > are > > > > > more to > > > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the > leaf > > > > > with eggs on > > > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or > would > > > that > > > > > be a bad > > > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35456	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

Some breeders/exporters will only sell the male species of fish/critters as a way of trying to hold a semi-monopoly on a species. This was tried with the Red Cherry Shrimp but enough females have been imported into the USA that there many breeders/sellers now. The male of a species are usually the "prettiest" also... except for the Red Cherry Shrimp and us human men. LOL Maybe your LFS or the supplier is practicing a little of this type of monopoly mindset marketing. Thus, when your male dies, you'll have to buy from him/them since you won't ever be able to breed your own. You should start looking into sellers on Aquabid.com and other sources and let him know that you will start buying from other sources if he doesn't meet his customers wants/needs. Necessity is the mother of invention! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs I would have no problems selling the young angel's (or any young fish I happen to breed if he wants them) to the LFS. I think there would be a better market in gourami's or pleco's (especially the dwarf pleco's as they only order the sailfin pleco's) though, as neither arrive here well at all and most tend to die before the owners can even put them up for sale. My problem is just getting healthy specimens of either of those types of fish to my home ;) The LFS only buys male dwarf gourami's (that's literally what is on his order list, the employee showed it to me). Just ridiculous to buy only one gender unless it's the supplier he's getting it from only sells males for a reason, I wouldn't know up here in isolated Alaska ;). I currently have one male flame dwarf gourami, who is doing very well, and has gotten quite colorful now that he is being fed well (unlike my LFS who claims to only feed their fish twice a week, which is probably when the employee works because I never see the owner doing anything except smoking cigarettes inside of his fish store, or sticking his unwashed hands into fish tanks to pick out dead fish, gee wonder why they are dead? *sigh*). I'm so glad he has a competent employee who works half the week, if it was just him working I'm sure all his fish would die or be sick all the time. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Had been wanting to get back to this post, and have now found the > opportunity. I can see that your LFS's owner may well be quite profit > oriented, going by those prices you mentioned, but then depending upon > where his wholesaler is located, part of his prices may reflect the > additional shipping charges if he's getting his fish from the "lower > 48." I'm sure you could easily beat his costs for his fish when > considering he wouldn't need to pay shipping charges for your fish. > > The "special breeder license" does sound absurd, if that's his excuse > not to buy from local breeders, but I'm sure once he finds out the > price of your fish compared to the cost of his landed, he would be > more than happy to buy from you (why wouldn't he). I can't really > figure why he wouldn't want to buy from local breeders anyway; here in > the Northeast, LFS's are clammering to buy locally raised fish if > they're quality, and ESPECIALLY Angelfish -- which notoriously do not > take to shipping kindly (many are usually lost in transit, with many > more dying within the week as a result of the stress, which today's > farm-raised Angels do not tolerate). > > Is there really something wrong with selling your young Angelfish to > your LFS at $5.00 each? (???). Possibly so, if you too are profit- > oriented, but you don't need to be if you want to make money raising > and selling Angelfish. Just because he's selling his young Koi > Angelfish at $14.99 doesn't mean that having to set your price at $5 > is going to lose you money. You can't expect to get near the same > price that he is getting, with all his overhead. If you do, you can't > expect to sell very many near that price. > > The idea is that your money is being made in the quantities you sell > your LFS. Many of the Angelfish pages you see posted on Aqua-Bid may > go for much more than $5 each for young Koi Angelfish, but these > prices are aimed directly at the hobbyist for the most part, not at > the repeated sales you would get at your LFS if you were to establish > a working deal to keep selling him young Angelfish as he continued to > need more, as a steady customer. Certainly, it would not cost you > anywhere's near $5.00 each to raise each of your Angelfish, when you > would be raising a spawn of averaging 200 Angels all at the same time. > > Here in the lower 48 States, the retail prices are about 1/2 that of > those you posted for your LFS, at the most -- usually somewhat lower. > I would be thrilled to death if I could ever get anywhere's near $5 > per young Angelfish and would be laughing all the way to the bank. I > would probably be dying of this laughter, that's how gleeful I'd be. > Here in the Northeast, I get $2.50 each at most (usually less, maybe > $2.25) for the better strains of Angelfish, including Koi, when > selling "wholesale" to the LFS's. The market for Angelfish here has > never commanded any higher price for them in the 45+ years I've been > raising them and yet I've always made good money with them as they're > one of the best sellers. Of course, if you want to consider your time > as being worth $50 an hour, you could never make money raising fish, > but you need to be a bit more accomodating when considering your own > time. After all, this is a hobby, and part of that time is your > enjoyment in doing this, yet there's still a good amount of money to > be made provided you don't get too greedy. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple > guppies > > is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... > profit > > orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him > I > > would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention > I > > was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank > bred" > > fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder > license, > > LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they > were > > told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they > > don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the > salt > > water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then > turned > > around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated > that he > > didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had > fish > > that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he > got a > > very good deal on her fish). > > So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably > 5 > > dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and > then > > some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for > 12.99 and > > the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've > ever > > seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good > > portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with > just a > > few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish > like > > the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but > > they're so spendy. > > I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi > hadn't > > passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get > more > > they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. > Also > > the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), > I now > > know much better, LOL. > > Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are > > attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring > patterns. I > > like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors > to a > > point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. > > Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do > when > > they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's > > lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I > had > > figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami > is > > easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the > > severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and > kind > > of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > > > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will > be > > > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color > > > pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi > > > Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know > that > > > his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in > his > > > color pattern than what he is displaying. > > > > > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of > > > their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring > > > developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or > > > effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, > > > disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. > > > > > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a > 50% > > > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you > > > had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have > developed > > > into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier > one > > > didn't make it. > > > > > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your > > > two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is > not > > > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such > as > > > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be > > > noted that we are not talking about two different species here but > > > instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different > > > species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile > hybrids > > > when it is accomplished, and most often being a > > > detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its > > > hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an > improvement. > > > > > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color > varieties of > > > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most > better > > > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain > to > > > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > > > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > > > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > > > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > > > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > > > > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain > is to > > > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > > > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual > and > > > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or > > > later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to > > > loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would > > > preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as > what > > > your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic > > > background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she > may > > > be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, > > > such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish > > > and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi > > > strain down the line. > > > > > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > > > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had > been a > > > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised > together > > > as you would most probably have done, you should know that the > > > inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi > > > Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is > the > > > INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with > > > the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents > itself -- > > > WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > > > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish > in. > > > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the > point > > > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > > > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, > > > the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable > from > > > many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still > > > quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on > > > this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp > eggs > > > from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly > from a > > > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > > > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings > when > > > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you > many > > > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > > > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > > > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > > > environment > > > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they > started > > > to > > > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > > > striped > > > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's > much > > > more > > > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown > back > > > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots > like > > > the > > > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I > see > > > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > > > all he > > > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > > > and > > > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > > > seem to > > > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on > the > > > top of > > > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but > one > > > of > > > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > > > Koi, > > > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good > to > > > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > > > (since > > > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go > that > > > route, > > > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to > order > > > that > > > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > > > later > > > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > > > fully > > > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > > > severum is > > > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > > > getting > > > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > > > he's > > > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, > LOL. > > > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > > > preoccupied > > > > with the holidays lately. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > > > (lock- > > > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being > backed up > > > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > > > your > > > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any > faster > > > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive > aquarium" > > > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a > juvenile > > > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were > solid). The > > > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the > free > > > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other > tank > > > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > > > gathered > > > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as > they > > > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will > explore > > > and > > > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the > other > > > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, > even > > > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > > > parents > > > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the > 10 > > > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > > > these > > > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the > angelfish > > > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > > > least > > > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and > will > > > make > > > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, > you > > > may > > > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle > down > > > to > > > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 > to 5 > > > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide > finally > > > to > > > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > > > divider > > > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water > circulation > > > and > > > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration > of > > > time > > > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > > > eaten > > > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- > not > > > the > > > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the > fry's > > > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be > positioned > > > up > > > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > > > would > > > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry > rather > > > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) > have > > > the > > > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > > > clear > > > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising > their > > > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > > > fish) > > > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, > again > > > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their > eggs, at > > > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if > they > > > want > > > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness > of > > > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing > tank > > > of > > > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying > the > > > Angel > > > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant > leaves > > > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you > mean > > > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > > > pattern. > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > > > about > > > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > > > answer > > > > > last > > > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one > of > > > the > > > > > fish > > > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > > another > > > > > batch > > > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, > with > > > one > > > > > female > > > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really > like > > > > > each other > > > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > > > figured > > > > > something > > > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying > eggs > > > and > > > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > > > kind it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish > comes > > > in > > > > > and is > > > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud > coming > > > > > out as he > > > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and > the > > > two > > > > > of them > > > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, > how > > > > > likely is it > > > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi- > aggressive > > > > > aquarium with > > > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank > divider if > > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > afterall > > > > > it's a > > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see > that > > > they > > > > > are both > > > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > > > increased > > > > > in size > > > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > > > expecting > > > > > female > > > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there > are > > > > > more to > > > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the > leaf > > > > > with eggs on > > > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or > would > > > that > > > > > be a bad > > > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35457	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

A good way to find out what fish are suggested companions for other fish are the Mongabay.com profiles. Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, then in the Advanced section, put a bullet in the Fish line and do a search on either the common name or latin name. Here's the Yellow Labid http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Labidochromis_caeruleus.html where you'll see that the Synodontis family is a suggested companion (SC section) but not the Corydoras. You can usually find a page with a variety of fish from the same family such as for your Mbuna's http://fish.mongabay.com/mbuna.htm but you'll see that Synodontis are the only catfish species listed in each of the individual profiles on this page. Part of the reason is that Cory's http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm do not prefer the usually much harder and higher pH water that Mbuna's prefer and the Synodontis comes from the same lakes. There's a repeating typo on this page where SB is put in twice instead of there being an SB section and an SC section. I've emailed Mongabay so they can correct this typo. They usually make corrections quickly. Here's an article discussing compatibility issues with Mbuna's and goes over some of the algae eating catfish issues as well. http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/mbuna3.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:22 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and red zebra? --- Suzi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35458	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

Although some have success with this combination, an equal or greater number of people have lost their cories due to aggression when combining them with African cichlids. I think the cories prefer a lower pH as well. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:22 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and red zebra? --- Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35459	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

thank you ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. Although some have success with this combination, an equal or greater number of people have lost their cories due to aggression when combining them with African cichlids. I think the cories prefer a lower pH as well. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:22 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and red zebra? --- Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35460	From: Suzi	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

thanks so much.. going now to read. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. A good way to find out what fish are suggested companions for other fish are the Mongabay.com profiles. Go to http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, then in the Advanced section, put a bullet in the Fish line and do a search on either the common name or latin name. Here's the Yellow Labid http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Labidochromis_caeruleus.html where you'll see that the Synodontis family is a suggested companion (SC section) but not the Corydoras. You can usually find a page with a variety of fish from the same family such as for your Mbuna's http://fish.mongabay.com/mbuna.htm but you'll see that Synodontis are the only catfish species listed in each of the individual profiles on this page. Part of the reason is that Cory's http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm do not prefer the usually much harder and higher pH water that Mbuna's prefer and the Synodontis comes from the same lakes. There's a repeating typo on this page where SB is put in twice instead of there being an SB section and an SC section. I've emailed Mongabay so they can correct this typo. They usually make corrections quickly. Here's an article discussing compatibility issues with Mbuna's and goes over some of the algae eating catfish issues as well. http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/mbuna3.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:22 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I have a question.. Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and red zebra? --- Suzi ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35461	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish laying eggs

I have tried asking for certain fish as well and he has this, "oh well, if you don't like what I have you'll just have to suffer" mentality. If I can find people willing to send fish to Alaska (hopefully on my fed ex account as well), I would be more than willing to get fish that way instead of the LFS. For one thing he's 5 miles out of my way to go to, when I could get fish at work through fed ex and then just take it home, I wouldn't have to drive 5 miles and bring the fish back home 5 miles, so in the end drive 10 miles for fish ;) And with the snow as it is, I'm not even sure I can get to his store either... even though I need to go pick up a new light bulb from them. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Some breeders/exporters will only sell the male species of > fish/critters as > a way of trying to hold a semi-monopoly on a species. This was tried with > the Red Cherry Shrimp but enough females have been imported into the USA > that there many breeders/sellers now. The male of a species are > usually the > "prettiest" also... except for the Red Cherry Shrimp and us human men. > LOL > > Maybe your LFS or the supplier is practicing a little of this type of > monopoly mindset marketing. Thus, when your male dies, you'll have to buy > from him/them since you won't ever be able to breed your own. You should > start looking into sellers on Aquabid.com and other sources and let > him know > that you will start buying from other sources if he doesn't meet his > customers wants/needs. Necessity is the mother of invention! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > > I would have no problems selling the young angel's (or any young fish I > happen to breed if he wants them) to the LFS. I think there would be a > better market in gourami's or pleco's (especially the dwarf pleco's as > they > only order the sailfin pleco's) though, as neither arrive here well at all > and most tend to die before the owners can even put them up for sale. My > problem is just getting healthy specimens of either of those types of fish > to my home ;) The LFS only buys male dwarf gourami's (that's literally > what > is on his order list, the employee showed it to me). Just ridiculous > to buy > only one gender unless it's the supplier he's getting it from only sells > males for a reason, I wouldn't know up here in isolated Alaska ;). I > currently have one male flame dwarf gourami, who is doing very well, > and has > gotten quite colorful now that he is being fed well (unlike my LFS who > claims to only feed their fish twice a week, which is probably when the > employee works because I never see the owner doing anything except smoking > cigarettes inside of his fish store, or sticking his unwashed hands into > fish tanks to pick out dead fish, gee wonder why they are dead? > *sigh*). I'm > so glad he has a competent employee who works half the week, if it was > just > him working I'm sure all his fish would die or be sick all the time. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Had been wanting to get back to this post, and have now found the > > opportunity. I can see that your LFS's owner may well be quite profit > > oriented, going by those prices you mentioned, but then depending upon > > where his wholesaler is located, part of his prices may reflect the > > additional shipping charges if he's getting his fish from the "lower > > 48." I'm sure you could easily beat his costs for his fish when > > considering he wouldn't need to pay shipping charges for your fish. > > > > The "special breeder license" does sound absurd, if that's his excuse > > not to buy from local breeders, but I'm sure once he finds out the > > price of your fish compared to the cost of his landed, he would be > > more than happy to buy from you (why wouldn't he). I can't really > > figure why he wouldn't want to buy from local breeders anyway; here in > > the Northeast, LFS's are clammering to buy locally raised fish if > > they're quality, and ESPECIALLY Angelfish -- which notoriously do not > > take to shipping kindly (many are usually lost in transit, with many > > more dying within the week as a result of the stress, which today's > > farm-raised Angels do not tolerate). > > > > Is there really something wrong with selling your young Angelfish to > > your LFS at $5.00 each? (???). Possibly so, if you too are profit- > > oriented, but you don't need to be if you want to make money raising > > and selling Angelfish. Just because he's selling his young Koi > > Angelfish at $14.99 doesn't mean that having to set your price at $5 > > is going to lose you money. You can't expect to get near the same > > price that he is getting, with all his overhead. If you do, you can't > > expect to sell very many near that price. > > > > The idea is that your money is being made in the quantities you sell > > your LFS. Many of the Angelfish pages you see posted on Aqua-Bid may > > go for much more than $5 each for young Koi Angelfish, but these > > prices are aimed directly at the hobbyist for the most part, not at > > the repeated sales you would get at your LFS if you were to establish > > a working deal to keep selling him young Angelfish as he continued to > > need more, as a steady customer. Certainly, it would not cost you > > anywhere's near $5.00 each to raise each of your Angelfish, when you > > would be raising a spawn of averaging 200 Angels all at the same time. > > > > Here in the lower 48 States, the retail prices are about 1/2 that of > > those you posted for your LFS, at the most -- usually somewhat lower. > > I would be thrilled to death if I could ever get anywhere's near $5 > > per young Angelfish and would be laughing all the way to the bank. I > > would probably be dying of this laughter, that's how gleeful I'd be. > > Here in the Northeast, I get $2.50 each at most (usually less, maybe > > $2.25) for the better strains of Angelfish, including Koi, when > > selling "wholesale" to the LFS's. The market for Angelfish here has > > never commanded any higher price for them in the 45+ years I've been > > raising them and yet I've always made good money with them as they're > > one of the best sellers. Of course, if you want to consider your time > > as being worth $50 an hour, you could never make money raising fish, > > but you need to be a bit more accomodating when considering your own > > time. After all, this is a hobby, and part of that time is your > > enjoyment in doing this, yet there's still a good amount of money to > > be made provided you don't get too greedy. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > The only reason I am hesitant to breed anything more than simple > > guppies > > > is because my LFS (well the owner rather) is rather... umm... > > profit > > > orientated only, which means for me to sell any of my babies to him > > I > > > would have to basically beat his wholesalers prices. Not to mention > > I > > > was told by someone in town that the LFS didn't want their "tank > > bred" > > > fish because they have to have some sort of special breeder > > license, > > > LOL. I looked at the person and just couldn't believe what they > > were > > > told! Apparently the owner of our LFS will make up anything if they > > > don't want to do business with someone in town. They bought all the > > salt > > > water fish from the lady I got my tank from for 200 dollars then > > turned > > > around and resold them (she was very upset since she stipulated > > that he > > > didn't resell them, LOL right like that would happen, but she had > > fish > > > that were easily worth a hundred dollars just by themselves so he > > got a > > > very good deal on her fish). > > > So basically I would have to sell him the Angel babies for probably > > 5 > > > dollars each considering he pretty much doubles everything (and > > then > > > some). He sells his wild angels (labeled assorted angel's) for > > 12.99 and > > > the Koi are 14.99 or something like that, the lowest I think I've > > ever > > > seen any of his angels was maybe 11.99? Generally speaking a good > > > portion of the fish he has for sale are in the 10-20 range with > > just a > > > few smaller fish under 10 dollars, and a few more expensive fish > > like > > > the synodontis that are 35 each, which I considered getting one but > > > they're so spendy. > > > I actually wouldn't have gotten another angel if the other Koi > > hadn't > > > passed on, I only wanted 2 angel's as I had heard that when you get > > more > > > they can gang up on tank mates, wanted to keep that to a minimum. > > Also > > > the LFS owner suggested them for a community tank (sheesh *sigh*), > > I now > > > know much better, LOL. > > > Thanks for all the info, I find it very interesting that they are > > > attracted to the wild coloring over the "man made" coloring > > patterns. I > > > like the fact that the wild pattern angel's can change their colors > > to a > > > point, and prefer the wild Angel over my other, LOL. > > > Also I assume it's common for them to "kiss" much like severum's do > > when > > > they fight for dominance? My angel's occasionally grab each other's > > > lips, this started right before they started the egg laying, so I > > had > > > figured that I had two males, LOL. So far though my dwarf gourami > > is > > > easily the most aggressive fish in my tank, LOL. He even chases the > > > severum away and stands up to the angel's (by turning sideways and > > kind > > > of wiggling at them like "I dare ya" LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, As opposed to the wild silver/black-stripe (natural) color > > > > pattern which, by its very definition, is fairly constant it will > > be > > > > noted (as you've already indicated) that Koi Angelfish's color > > > > pattern can vary considerably even within a given spawn. Your Koi > > > > Angel will not develop any more black spots, but you should know > > that > > > > his genes may carry a much wider variation of black spotting in > > his > > > > color pattern than what he is displaying. > > > > > > > > Many of the man-made strains of Angels will not change shades of > > > > their color patterns in response to their moods. Any coloring > > > > developed into such a strain either overshadows (hides) or > > > > effectively eliminates the natural coloration's chromatophores, > > > > disabling the fish's skin's ability to change toning/shading. > > > > > > > > With having only two Koi Angels originally and thus having only a > > 50% > > > > chance of each of these two fish developing as opposite sexes, you > > > > had an equal chance that both of these Koi Angels may have > > developed > > > > into males instead of just this one; sorry to hear the prettier > > one > > > > didn't make it. > > > > > > > > As for "cross-breeding" (and I'm assuming you're referring to your > > > > two present Angelfish), no breeding these two types of Angels is > > not > > > > necessarily a "bad breeder" move in fish breeding situations such > > as > > > > this, but before being erroneously understood it should first be > > > > noted that we are not talking about two different species here but > > > > instead ONE species. Generally, cross breeding of two different > > > > species is to be frowned upon, often resulting in infertile > > hybrids > > > > when it is accomplished, and most often being a > > > > detraction/depreciation of the two different species involved (its > > > > hard to improve on mother nature), rather than being an > > improvement. > > > > > > > > Getting back now to "cross-breeding" two different color > > varieties of > > > > the same species, such as with your Angelfish pair, while most > > better > > > > Angelfish breeders will breed only within a certain color strain > > to > > > > retain these genes (possibly improving upon them whenever its > > > > possible) and to raise fry developing into 100% this same strain, > > > > These same breeders will have to out-cross after no more than 5 > > > > generations of the same strain to prevent the weakening effects of > > > > inbreeding -- as one way to strengthen the strain and add vigor. > > > > > > > > The other way these breeders will restore vigor to their strain > > is to > > > > line breed, i.e., breed two separate lines (cousins) of the same > > > > strain each for 5 generations and then cross these two individual > > and > > > > very similar (yet somewhat distantly related) strains. Sooner or > > > > later though, an out-cross will have to be performed so as not to > > > > loss fecundity of the strain -- and such an out-cross would > > > > preferably be to a wild or wild-type of the species -- such as > > what > > > > your female is! Without knowing your female Angel's genetic > > > > background though, I have no way of knowing what other genes she > > may > > > > be carrying (if part of her genetic make-up is different). Still, > > > > such a "cross" as you are referring to, with your silver Angelfish > > > > and Koi, would be preferable to any other in maintaining the Koi > > > > strain down the line. > > > > > > > > Getting back to your original grouping of three Angelfish, two Koi > > > > Angels and a Silver (wild-type), if the lost Koi Angelfish had > > been a > > > > female -- if all three Angelfish were allowed to be raised > > together > > > > as you would most probably have done, you should know that the > > > > inevitable outcome would be the SAME. Your present male Koi > > > > Angelfish would have paired up with you Silver Angelfish. It is > > the > > > > INNATE INSTINCT for any Angelfish to preferably first pair up with > > > > the WILD-TYPE Angelfish whenever that opportunity presents > > itself -- > > > > WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > > > > > > The 55 gallon tank would be an excellent size to raise Angelfish > > in. > > > > The challenge (largely uncontrollable by you) is to get to the > > point > > > > where the parents won't eat the eggs or fry. Beyond that, we'd be > > > > pleased to tell you how to raise the fry properly. At the moment, > > > > the best grades of brine shrimp eggs are temporarily unavailable > > from > > > > many established brine srimp handlers, but a good grade is still > > > > quite available and most adequate. You'll note my previous post on > > > > this whereby you can't always expect great quality brine shrimp > > eggs > > > > from a LFS, which is why you'd need to purchase them direcrtly > > from a > > > > supplier (such as Sanders or Brine Shrimp Direct, both in Utah). > > > > Except for the nominal shipping cost, you'll find a good savings > > when > > > > buying them that way, and a fresh 3.5 ounce can will yield you > > many > > > > hatches of baby brine shrimp; probably enough to raise at leasst a > > > > dozen spawns or more, since once the fry get to about 4 weeks old > > > > they'll need to be switched to another type of food anyway. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Ray, I figured I didn't have a good > > > > environment > > > > > for breeding angel's, but was actually surprised that they > > started > > > > to > > > > > breed as I didn't think I had a male/female. My silver/black > > > > striped > > > > > angel is actually my favorite (she's the female) I think she's > > much > > > > more > > > > > colorful than the Koi, but then the Koi did go through a case of > > > > > fin/tail rot back in october and he still hasn't fully grown > > back > > > > > everything, not to mention he just has hardly any black spots > > like > > > > the > > > > > rest of the Koi Angel's at the LFS seem to (or even the ones I > > see > > > > > online), will he develop more black spots or are the ones he has > > > > all he > > > > > will get? I noticed my other Angel got darker with food and age, > > > > and > > > > > also gets even darker when she's mad, LOL. My Koi Angel doesn't > > > > seem to > > > > > do the same thing, he's white/orange with just a few spots on > > the > > > > top of > > > > > his head. Originally I had 2 Koi Angel's back in September, but > > one > > > > of > > > > > them died in the fin/tail rot, which happened to be the prettier > > > > Koi, > > > > > LOL figures ;). Also would breeding these two different types of > > > > > Angel's be a "bad breeder" move for fish? I know it's not good > > to > > > > > cross-breed with some other animals but wasn't sure about fish. > > > > > I could probably use the 55 gallon tank as their breeding tank > > > > (since > > > > > it's currently empty), but I haven't decided if I want to go > > that > > > > route, > > > > > my LFS doesn't have any brine shrimp eggs so I will have to > > order > > > > that > > > > > and then figure out how to raise the fry properly, LOL. Perhaps > > > > later > > > > > down the line I will do this, after all my Angel's aren't even > > > > fully > > > > > grown they're only about 3 1/2-4 inches at this point, but my > > > > severum is > > > > > out growing everything in the tank pretty quick, and is already > > > > getting > > > > > his light orange markings on his fins (nothing on his body yet), > > > > he's > > > > > easily over 4 inches, and if he'd sit still I'd measure him, > > LOL. > > > > > I really do need to get some more pics up, I've just been so > > > > preoccupied > > > > > with the holidays lately. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, While I regretfully have been having computer problems > > > > (lock- > > > > > > ups) lately, resulting in my being too busy to do any > > > > > > posting/replying these last few days from my time being > > backed up > > > > > > through wasted efforts along these lines, please be aware that > > > > your > > > > > > present set up is not condusive to raising Angels and any > > faster > > > > > > response on my part would not have changed this. > > > > > > > > > > > > With your Angelfish pair residing in a "semi-aggressive > > aquarium" > > > > > > community tank with "a few 'passive' fish as well," this would > > > > > > preclude any possiblity of your raising any fry to even a > > juvenile > > > > > > stage even with the use of a divider (unless this were > > solid). The > > > > > > familiar and often-used "egg-crate" dividers would allow the > > free > > > > > > swimming of fry through them, only to be eaten by the other > > tank > > > > > > mates, and while the parents will endeavor to keep their fry > > > > gathered > > > > > > to the vicinity of the spawning site, over time especially as > > they > > > > > > get just a little older (by a week or so) these fry will > > explore > > > > and > > > > > > wander where they will and get picked off one by one by the > > other > > > > > > fish in short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > You would need a solid partition, by as you've already seen, > > even > > > > > > this will not guarantee the potential fry's safety when the > > > > parents > > > > > > decide to eat them as eggs. You cannot remove the eggs to the > > 10 > > > > > > gallon tank when you have a female Guppy there which will eat > > > > these > > > > > > eggs (or fry, if they hatch), nor could you expect the > > angelfish > > > > > > eggs/fry's safety in the presence of Guppy fry -- which are at > > > > least > > > > > > 5 times larger than Angel fry when they're first born, and > > will > > > > make > > > > > > a meal of the Angel fry. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're intent on having the parent Angels raise their fry, > > you > > > > may > > > > > > try keeping the eggs with them in hopes they'll soon settle > > down > > > > to > > > > > > them raising them rather than eating them, which may take 4 > > to 5 > > > > > > tries or 15 to 20 tries (no way to know when they decide > > finally > > > > to > > > > > > promote a new generation). You would need to install a solid > > > > divider > > > > > > of opaque plastic, which will prevent adequate water > > circulation > > > > and > > > > > > proper filtration of the entire water column for the duration > > of > > > > time > > > > > > needed to rear the Angel fry to a size to where they won't be > > > > eaten > > > > > > by the other tankmates before you can remove this divider -- > > not > > > > the > > > > > > best situation in the tank's normal maintenance requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > An opaque divider, as a clear section would allow for the > > fry's > > > > > > viewing by the iother inhabitants, which would then be > > positioned > > > > up > > > > > > against it, trying to gain access to the breeding site, which > > > > would > > > > > > often be cause enough to cause the parents to eat their fry > > rather > > > > > > than (in their way of responding to this perceived threat) > > have > > > > the > > > > > > intruders devour them -- the parents would have no idea that a > > > > clear > > > > > > divider would hold the other fish back. Still, not the best > > > > > > situation to raise Angel fry in, even with an opaque divider. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best results are always had when removing the Angel pair to a > > > > > > spawning tank of their own, if you're serious about raising > > their > > > > > > fry, and while this will remove any perceived threat (by other > > > > fish) > > > > > > to their spawn, as may have resulted in this last spawning, > > again > > > > > > there is no guarantee they will not continue to eat their > > eggs, at > > > > > > least not until they get the hang of how to raise them (if > > they > > > > want > > > > > > to). Many breeders who don't want to trust the indecisiveness > > of > > > > > > their Angel pairs will remove the eggs to a separate rearing > > tank > > > > of > > > > > > their own (no Guppies or other fry in this tank), supplying > > the > > > > Angel > > > > > > pair with spawning slates to exchange when their spawns are > > > > > > deposited -- rather than repeatedly clipping aquatic plant > > leaves > > > > > > until there is nothing left of the plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, your grey with black stripes Angelfish (I presume you > > mean > > > > > > Silver w/black stripes) is the original wild type of color > > > > pattern. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > > <amber@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Replying to myself again here ;) guess no one knows anything > > > > about > > > > > > > breeding angel fish or they're all busy, LOL. > > > > > > > Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn't get an > > > > answer > > > > > > last > > > > > > > night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one > > of > > > > the > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > had a nice meal over night ;) Maybe my angel's will go for > > > > another > > > > > > batch > > > > > > > later or something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, > > with > > > > one > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > that's been popping out babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really > > like > > > > > > each other > > > > > > > > > recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I > > > > figured > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > was going on but didn't think they would start laying > > eggs > > > > and > > > > > > > > > fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what > > > > kind it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish > > comes > > > > in > > > > > > and is > > > > > > > > > apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud > > coming > > > > > > out as he > > > > > > > > > hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and > > the > > > > two > > > > > > of them > > > > > > > > > are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, > > how > > > > > > likely is it > > > > > > > > > for these babies to actually survive in a semi- > > aggressive > > > > > > aquarium with > > > > > > > > > a few "passive" fish as well? I could get a tank > > divider if > > > > it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, > > > > afterall > > > > > > it's a > > > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it's nice to see > > that > > > > they > > > > > > are both > > > > > > > > > very happy in their environment. All of the fish have > > > > increased > > > > > > in size > > > > > > > > > and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. > > > > > > > > > I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an > > > > expecting > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there > > are > > > > > > more to > > > > > > > > > come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the > > leaf > > > > > > with eggs on > > > > > > > > > it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or > > would > > > > that > > > > > > be a bad > > > > > > > > > idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35462	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank

Welcome to our list. If the tank is chipped, and it is leaking, I'd be inclined to go along with your husband's advice. Get a new 30, and use it to replace the current one before everything ends up on the floor in the middle of the night (these things always happen in the middle of the night, when you can't run out to get what you need and do not have on hand). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M > A RAMOS > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken fish tank > > Hello and thank you for letting me join your group. I have 6 tanks in total ranging from 55-10 > gallons. My problem is my 30 gallon has gotten chipped on the side and now is slowly dripping > out water...my Hubby doesn't think I can fix it. He worries that the fixed part will be too > weak to hold the water...no crack just a chip...if you need to see a pic to help just let me know > > Thank you,Polly >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35463	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Added water today

Here is my new and improved setup. The only thing from other tanks in TX are the very large rocks. It just looks so pretty and clear and clean. And so relaxing just watching the bubbles...... The rocks I have in the tank are from all the states. One from the Sierra Mountains, one from Death Valley, one from Arizona, some from Texas and one from the Black Hills in South Dakota. Some of my neighbors think I am nuts because they have seen me boiling rocks Enjoy.. I hope!! These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35464	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Fish Compatibility

I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today

You can't send pics through the group. You could provide links to your online web album or the actual photos. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:44 PM To: oztopia@...; Brent Currier; Connie and Joe; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Added water today Here is my new and improved setup. The only thing from other tanks in TX are the very large rocks. It just looks so pretty and clear and clean. And so relaxing just watching the bubbles...... The rocks I have in the tank are from all the states. One from the Sierra Mountains, one from Death Valley, one from Arizona, some from Texas and one from the Black Hills in South Dakota. Some of my neighbors think I am nuts because they have seen me boiling rocks Enjoy.. I hope!! These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35466	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today

Oh, I guess we can't send photos to the list..... Sorry!!  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Margie Phelps Date: 1/8/2009 11:00:53 PM To: oztopia@...; Brent Currier; Connie and Joe; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Added water today Here is my new and improved setup. The only thing from other tanks in TX are the very large rocks. It just looks so pretty and clear and clean. And so relaxing just watching the bubbles...... The rocks I have in the tank are from all the states. One from the Sierra Mountains, one from Death Valley, one from Arizona, some from Texas and one from the Black Hills in South Dakota. Some of my neighbors think I am nuts because they have seen me boiling rocks Enjoy.. I hope!! These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35467	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Thanks Lenny

You got it. No problem..... And If you look at older posts you can the older set up http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2009 11:05:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Added water today You can't send pics through the group. You could provide links to your online web album or the actual photos. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:44 PM To: oztopia@...; Brent Currier; Connie and Joe; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Added water today Here is my new and improved setup. The only thing from other tanks in TX are the very large rocks. It just looks so pretty and clear and clean. And so relaxing just watching the bubbles...... The rocks I have in the tank are from all the states. One from the Sierra Mountains, one from Death Valley, one from Arizona, some from Texas and one from the Black Hills in South Dakota. Some of my neighbors think I am nuts because they have seen me boiling rocks Enjoy.. I hope!! These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/  Margie http://loomingragdoll blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35468	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003@...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? > I had my female guppies in my community tank which has swordtails, glos cherry barbs and a small silver dollar for a few weeks till their tank finished cycling with no problems. I didnt get that bold with the fancy males though

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35469	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Coolness. Thanks. I love guppies cuz ya never have to buy fish. They keep having babies....lol. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:33:52 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? > I had my female guppies in my community tank which has swordtails, glos cherry barbs and a small silver dollar for a few weeks till their tank finished cycling with no problems. I didnt get that bold with the fancy males though [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35470	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Yes... but only as long as you know the guppies... and especially the glofish (zebra danios) would be VERY expensive fish food for the Silver Dollars... but I'm sure the SD's would appreciate the glowing color variety in their meals. I wonder what glofish turned into poop would look like? ;-) http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html Silver Dollars grow much larger than an actual U.S. Silver Dollar.... even larger than a paper dollar. They are also schooling fish and should be kept in schools of at least six so you would need a decent sized tank... at least 75G... just for a school of these BIG fish. Read the above profile for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35471	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Sorry to burst your bubble with my post that followed Turbo's.... but at least you got to enjoy the bubble for a few minutes. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility Coolness. Thanks. I love guppies cuz ya never have to buy fish. They keep having babies....lol. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:33:52 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? > I had my female guppies in my community tank which has swordtails, glos cherry barbs and a small silver dollar for a few weeks till their tank finished cycling with no problems. I didnt get that bold with the fancy males though

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35472	From: Lisa	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Why won't my sword tails breed?

I keep reading on various internet sites, that livebarers are supposed to bee good breeders. I have swordtails. One male to 3 females. And none of them are pregnant yet. Is he just not interested? or...i don't know... The male is a pineapple, and there are two black/silver females and one pineapple female. He just doesn't seem to be bothered with them. The water temp is 24* cel ph - about 7 I do weekly 20% pwc And their diet is varied between: live foods (Brine and black worm) Flake food, Freeze dried blood worms Freeze dried Daphina cubes, And they pick at the sinking cory cat's tablets from time to time. The tank also has live plants. some kind of crypt (i think) Dwarf anubias on bogwood And something that looks like a wort of some kind. (also needs a hair cut soon) There a photos of the plants in my album Any thoughs, suggestions? Thanks. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35473	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

hehe. That's funny. So my Silver Dollars will eat my glofish??? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:42:01 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility Yes... but only as long as you know the guppies... and especially the glofish (zebra danios) would be VERY expensive fish food for the Silver Dollars... but I'm sure the SD's would appreciate the glowing color variety in their meals. I wonder what glofish turned into poop would look like? ;-) http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Metynnis_ argenteus. html Silver Dollars grow much larger than an actual U.S. Silver Dollar.... even larger than a paper dollar. They are also schooling fish and should be kept in schools of at least six so you would need a decent sized tank... at least 75G... just for a school of these BIG fish. Read the above profile for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35474	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Read that link to the profile on the Silver Dollars. They grow to 8" long and about 6" tall and are related to piranha. Yes, they will eat ALL of your smaller minnow type fish... guppies, glofish/zebra danios, etc.. The profile shows suggested companions to be kept with Silver Dollars. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility hehe. That's funny. So my Silver Dollars will eat my glofish??? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:42:01 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility Yes... but only as long as you know the guppies... and especially the glofish (zebra danios) would be VERY expensive fish food for the Silver Dollars... but I'm sure the SD's would appreciate the glowing color variety in their meals. I wonder what glofish turned into poop would look like? ;-) http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Metynnis_ argenteus. html Silver Dollars grow much larger than an actual U.S. Silver Dollar.... even larger than a paper dollar. They are also schooling fish and should be kept in schools of at least six so you would need a decent sized tank... at least 75G... just for a school of these BIG fish. Read the above profile for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35475	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: My Betta gets a new home

From a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, that was a pain to clean and change water, to a 3 gallon Picotope glass tank. Plan to just change a gallon a week or mabe every other. He has only been in there for a couple of hours, so I am not sure how well he is going to like it, but I love it! Small and classy! Put blue construction paper for a background, and have black substrate with a few light blue stones mixed in. The light has a blue cast to it as well. All this really shows off the blueish spots on the sides of my red betta delta tail. Has it's own little filter, it is just nice! Need to get some nice fake plants, and I am going to use a PVC pipe with substrate glued to it for a small shelter house. It is only a half gallon bigger, but seems like he has much more space, and a ton more surface area. No top, just open air, but I do not use chemicals in my office, and he is not a jumper. Heck, he looks lonely in there all by himself. What would go well in with him? Would a big snail, or the ADF excape with no top? Any other ideas? Maybe it won't look so big when I add plants... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35476	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

With replies to your post seeming to indicate this is not a possibility, I have to say I believe it to be perfectly do-able from what I've experienced many years back and from what I have just been told by several well respected sources last night in personal conversation. While some species of Silver Dollars may get up to 6" or 8", they are for the most part almost strictly herbivors. As a usually "rule" of most fish being opportunistic when it comes to survival (i.e., putting food in one's mouth), many fish will dine on a smaller morsal, even including smaller fish when the opportunity presents itself, regardless of its natural diet and food preferences -- but I have to say in general, or as far as I can determine, most (perhaps all?) Silver Dollars of varying genus prefer not avail themselves of this potential food source, instead living in harmony with much smaller heterospecifics. Coincidentally, and without yet seeing your post, this very topic came up last night between several top fish breeders here in the Northeast and myself at our (NJAS) monthly Board meeting. We were discussing Silver Dollars and their notorious predilection for vegetative matter -- including aquarium plants! Two top aquarists, both p;resently keeping a number of Silver Dollar species, related how they often have "schools of baby guppies" in these same tanks of mixed Silver Dollars (Metynnis, Mylossoma and Myleus) with these guppy fry swimming around these fish (the Silver Dollars were in the midst of a schools of small guppies) without ever making the slightest attempt to grab one. This coincided with my same experiences of many years past when I was keeping Silver Dollars, and although these may be only isolated instances it tends to show Silver Dollars of at least many species have no interest in devouring their smaller tank mates. There may have been extenuating circumstances with all these encounters, such as the Silver Dollars perhaps always being well fed, only as admittedly this does seem unusual but I'm passing this on for what it shows. You should be aware though, that as a result of most Silver Dollars' eventual large size they need large tanks, which you need to consider when/if thinking of buying them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003@...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35477	From: bill1433	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

OR in other words------big fish eat little fish!  That's usually how it works!   Bill --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@...> wrote: From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:18 AM hehe. That's funny. So my Silver Dollars will eat my glofish??? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:42:01 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility Yes... but only as long as you know the guppies... and especially the glofish (zebra danios) would be VERY expensive fish food for the Silver Dollars... but I'm sure the SD's would appreciate the glowing color variety in their meals. I wonder what glofish turned into poop would look like? ;-) http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Metynnis_ argenteus. html Silver Dollars grow much larger than an actual U.S. Silver Dollar.... even larger than a paper dollar. They are also schooling fish and should be kept in schools of at least six so you would need a decent sized tank... at least 75G... just for a school of these BIG fish. Read the above profile for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35478	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Added water today

What, your neighbors have never heard of Rock Soup? With you wide selection of different rocks, this should lend to making a nice variety of nutritious stuff -- especially if you don't wash too much off of them before doing this. I hope you added a good amount of carrots and celery (LOL). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Margie Phelps" <MargiePhelps@...> wrote: > > Here is my new and improved setup. The only thing from other tanks in TX > are the very large rocks. It just looks so pretty and clear and clean. And > so relaxing just watching the bubbles...... > The rocks I have in the tank are from all the states. One from the Sierra > Mountains, one from Death Valley, one from Arizona, some from Texas and one > from the Black Hills in South Dakota. > Some of my neighbors think I am nuts because they have seen me boiling rocks > > Enjoy.. I hope!! > > > These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. > Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ >  > Margie > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35479	From: Sharad Tiwari	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

I am attaching the chart available with me. I hope this will satisfy every body's needs. Please inform about the suitability as per your requirement or not. --- On Fri, 9/1/09, *Carol Lynn* <childofgod19832003@...> wrote: From: *Carol Lynn* <childofgod19832003@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 9 January, 2009, 9:34 AM I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Go to http://in.movies.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35480	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Broken fish tank

IF it's leaking at all I'd replace it. Usually not very expensive to replace a glass tank. He's right, a small leak could very quickly become a big one. Last thing you want is 30 gallons of water all over the place at once; you'd quickly regret not spending the cost of a new tank. Sometimes they can be glued, but you'd have to dismantle the tank to do it properly, and you'd have to be financially desperate to want to. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M A RAMOS" <mpnram43@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken fish tank Hello and thank you for letting me join your group. I have 6 tanks in total ranging from 55-10 gallons. My problem is my 30 gallon has gotten chipped on the side and now is slowly dripping out water...my Hubby doesn't think I can fix it. He worries that the fixed part will be too weak to hold the water...no crack just a chip...if you need to see a pic to help just let me know Thank you,Polly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: My Betta gets a new home

Even Bettas can jump. Is there a way to make some kind of a top for it? Without a top, neither the snail or frog would work as either could climb/crawl out. Go with some nice silk plants since some of the plastic ones can have rough edges which can damage your Bettas fins. Still do at least a weekly 1G PWC, gravel vacuuming and filter maintenance to keep the pollution levels down/diluted and give your Betta some fresh water, minerals, nutrients, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:08 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My Betta gets a new home From a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, that was a pain to clean and change water, to a 3 gallon Picotope glass tank. Plan to just change a gallon a week or mabe every other. He has only been in there for a couple of hours, so I am not sure how well he is going to like it, but I love it! Small and classy! Put blue construction paper for a background, and have black substrate with a few light blue stones mixed in. The light has a blue cast to it as well. All this really shows off the blueish spots on the sides of my red betta delta tail. Has it's own little filter, it is just nice! Need to get some nice fake plants, and I am going to use a PVC pipe with substrate glued to it for a small shelter house. It is only a half gallon bigger, but seems like he has much more space, and a ton more surface area. No top, just open air, but I do not use chemicals in my office, and he is not a jumper. Heck, he looks lonely in there all by himself. What would go well in with him? Would a big snail, or the ADF excape with no top? Any other ideas? Maybe it won't look so big when I add plants... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35482	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

Suzi, As has already been pointed out by Donna, Cory's could not be recommended as tank mates for your Lake Malawi Cichlids, not only due to aggression on the part of these Cichlids but because of the Corys' need for a much lower pH (and much softer water) -- many coming from the Amazon River system. It's for this same reason that most Synodontis Catfish would not be good candidates to include in your Rift Lake tank. While there are a very small number of Synodontis Catfish that would adapt to your Mbuna tank, most all others are found in Africa mostly in soft -- mildly acidic to near neutral waters, notably the Congo River (many from the Stanley pool) drainage system, Niger, Senegal and Gambia River systems; even the Nile. With maintaining these Mbuna, your pH should be kept near 8.2, with very hard water, although they will do fairly well at a somewhat lower pH of 7.6. The Synodontis species you may adapt to your tank (but only if you maintain your pH nearer 8.2 -- again with very hard water) would include Synodontis Multipuntata, S. melanostictus and S. petricola, all coming from Lake Tanganyika having even a higher pH. Those many Synodontis species found in the various other African waters (river systems), as would include the lovely and much sought-after Synodontis angelicus -- and even the much familiar S. nigriventis (Upside-Down Catfish) would soon perish under these conditions, if not directly than from the longer-term stress of such adverse conditions to them, and could not be recommended for your tank. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Suzi <suziknits2@...> wrote: > > Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with > electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and > red zebra? > > --- > Suzi >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35483	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Ooohhh, can't have that. Imma have to trade em or something. I ain't got no cat to feed em to this time. Oops. Sorry...lol. Did that with an Algae eater once. He was attacking my gold fish...lol. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:43:02 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility OR in other words------big fish eat little fish! That's usually how it works! Bill --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:18 AM hehe. That's funny. So my Silver Dollars will eat my glofish??? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:42:01 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility Yes... but only as long as you know the guppies... and especially the glofish (zebra danios) would be VERY expensive fish food for the Silver Dollars... but I'm sure the SD's would appreciate the glowing color variety in their meals. I wonder what glofish turned into poop would look like? ;-) http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Metynnis_ argenteus. html Silver Dollars grow much larger than an actual U.S. Silver Dollar.... even larger than a paper dollar. They are also schooling fish and should be kept in schools of at least six so you would need a decent sized tank... at least 75G... just for a school of these BIG fish. Read the above profile for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Compatibility I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35484	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Thanks for responding. I bought them from Walmart and the woman there told me they would only grow to about 2 inches. She lied cuz they bigger than that now. I'll be getting a bigger tank here within the next week, but I might check with Waggin Tails, our local pet store, and see if they might want them. Thanks! Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:37:39 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility With replies to your post seeming to indicate this is not a possibility, I have to say I believe it to be perfectly do-able from what I've experienced many years back and from what I have just been told by several well respected sources last night in personal conversation. While some species of Silver Dollars may get up to 6" or 8", they are for the most part almost strictly herbivors. As a usually "rule" of most fish being opportunistic when it comes to survival (i.e., putting food in one's mouth), many fish will dine on a smaller morsal, even including smaller fish when the opportunity presents itself, regardless of its natural diet and food preferences -- but I have to say in general, or as far as I can determine, most (perhaps all?) Silver Dollars of varying genus prefer not avail themselves of this potential food source, instead living in harmony with much smaller heterospecifics. Coincidentally, and without yet seeing your post, this very topic came up last night between several top fish breeders here in the Northeast and myself at our (NJAS) monthly Board meeting. We were discussing Silver Dollars and their notorious predilection for vegetative matter -- including aquarium plants! Two top aquarists, both p;resently keeping a number of Silver Dollar species, related how they often have "schools of baby guppies" in these same tanks of mixed Silver Dollars (Metynnis, Mylossoma and Myleus) with these guppy fry swimming around these fish (the Silver Dollars were in the midst of a schools of small guppies) without ever making the slightest attempt to grab one. This coincided with my same experiences of many years past when I was keeping Silver Dollars, and although these may be only isolated instances it tends to show Silver Dollars of at least many species have no interest in devouring their smaller tank mates. There may have been extenuating circumstances with all these encounters, such as the Silver Dollars perhaps always being well fed, only as admittedly this does seem unusual but I'm passing this on for what it shows. You should be aware though, that as a result of most Silver Dollars' eventual large size they need large tanks, which you need to consider when/if thinking of buying them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35485	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

I guess it boils down to which species yours are... as the common name "Silver Dollar" is given to many different species... some are strictly herbivores where others are omnivores. I'm not sure that anyone at your local WalMart would be able to definitively give you a correct answer on which species they sell but you could try looking at the actual order paperwork that they received. In any case, all of the fish from this family of fish still get pretty big and should be kept in schools of 5 or 6, at least, so a large tank would be needed. Considering this, the best case scenario, if you have a large enough tank, you could have a perfectly OK set up with lots of smaller fish schooling around the big Silver Dollars... or you could end up with 5 or 6 well fed Silver Dollars... burp! ;-) In the future, find out the latin/scientific name of a species and do a little bit of research... even just asking here... before buying so you can avoid problems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility Thanks for responding. I bought them from Walmart and the woman there told me they would only grow to about 2 inches. She lied cuz they bigger than that now. I'll be getting a bigger tank here within the next week, but I might check with Waggin Tails, our local pet store, and see if they might want them. Thanks! Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:37:39 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility With replies to your post seeming to indicate this is not a possibility, I have to say I believe it to be perfectly do-able from what I've experienced many years back and from what I have just been told by several well respected sources last night in personal conversation. While some species of Silver Dollars may get up to 6" or 8", they are for the most part almost strictly herbivors. As a usually "rule" of most fish being opportunistic when it comes to survival (i.e., putting food in one's mouth), many fish will dine on a smaller morsal, even including smaller fish when the opportunity presents itself, regardless of its natural diet and food preferences -- but I have to say in general, or as far as I can determine, most (perhaps all?) Silver Dollars of varying genus prefer not avail themselves of this potential food source, instead living in harmony with much smaller heterospecifics. Coincidentally, and without yet seeing your post, this very topic came up last night between several top fish breeders here in the Northeast and myself at our (NJAS) monthly Board meeting. We were discussing Silver Dollars and their notorious predilection for vegetative matter -- including aquarium plants! Two top aquarists, both p;resently keeping a number of Silver Dollar species, related how they often have "schools of baby guppies" in these same tanks of mixed Silver Dollars (Metynnis, Mylossoma and Myleus) with these guppy fry swimming around these fish (the Silver Dollars were in the midst of a schools of small guppies) without ever making the slightest attempt to grab one. This coincided with my same experiences of many years past when I was keeping Silver Dollars, and although these may be only isolated instances it tends to show Silver Dollars of at least many species have no interest in devouring their smaller tank mates. There may have been extenuating circumstances with all these encounters, such as the Silver Dollars perhaps always being well fed, only as admittedly this does seem unusual but I'm passing this on for what it shows. You should be aware though, that as a result of most Silver Dollars' eventual large size they need large tanks, which you need to consider when/if thinking of buying them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35486	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Yeah. Well, the night that I bought the silver dollars, I was planning on buying a pair of guppies, but then they told me that they don't carry female guppies anymore, so I settled for the Silver Dollars. Imma be doing research...lol. What's a good site for researching fish? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 11:47:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility I guess it boils down to which species yours are... as the common name "Silver Dollar" is given to many different species... some are strictly herbivores where others are omnivores. I'm not sure that anyone at your local WalMart would be able to definitively give you a correct answer on which species they sell but you could try looking at the actual order paperwork that they received. In any case, all of the fish from this family of fish still get pretty big and should be kept in schools of 5 or 6, at least, so a large tank would be needed. Considering this, the best case scenario, if you have a large enough tank, you could have a perfectly OK set up with lots of smaller fish schooling around the big Silver Dollars... or you could end up with 5 or 6 well fed Silver Dollars... burp! ;-) In the future, find out the latin/scientific name of a species and do a little bit of research... even just asking here... before buying so you can avoid problems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:11 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility Thanks for responding. I bought them from Walmart and the woman there told me they would only grow to about 2 inches. She lied cuz they bigger than that now. I'll be getting a bigger tank here within the next week, but I might check with Waggin Tails, our local pet store, and see if they might want them. Thanks! Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:37:39 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility With replies to your post seeming to indicate this is not a possibility, I have to say I believe it to be perfectly do-able from what I've experienced many years back and from what I have just been told by several well respected sources last night in personal conversation. While some species of Silver Dollars may get up to 6" or 8", they are for the most part almost strictly herbivors. As a usually "rule" of most fish being opportunistic when it comes to survival (i.e., putting food in one's mouth), many fish will dine on a smaller morsal, even including smaller fish when the opportunity presents itself, regardless of its natural diet and food preferences -- but I have to say in general, or as far as I can determine, most (perhaps all?) Silver Dollars of varying genus prefer not avail themselves of this potential food source, instead living in harmony with much smaller heterospecifics. Coincidentally, and without yet seeing your post, this very topic came up last night between several top fish breeders here in the Northeast and myself at our (NJAS) monthly Board meeting. We were discussing Silver Dollars and their notorious predilection for vegetative matter -- including aquarium plants! Two top aquarists, both p;resently keeping a number of Silver Dollar species, related how they often have "schools of baby guppies" in these same tanks of mixed Silver Dollars (Metynnis, Mylossoma and Myleus) with these guppy fry swimming around these fish (the Silver Dollars were in the midst of a schools of small guppies) without ever making the slightest attempt to grab one. This coincided with my same experiences of many years past when I was keeping Silver Dollars, and although these may be only isolated instances it tends to show Silver Dollars of at least many species have no interest in devouring their smaller tank mates. There may have been extenuating circumstances with all these encounters, such as the Silver Dollars perhaps always being well fed, only as admittedly this does seem unusual but I'm passing this on for what it shows. You should be aware though, that as a result of most Silver Dollars' eventual large size they need large tanks, which you need to consider when/if thinking of buying them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35487	From: Suzi	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question..

Thank you Ray :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Wetzel To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I have a question.. Suzi, As has already been pointed out by Donna, Cory's could not be recommended as tank mates for your Lake Malawi Cichlids, not only due to aggression on the part of these Cichlids but because of the Corys' need for a much lower pH (and much softer water) -- many coming from the Amazon River system. It's for this same reason that most Synodontis Catfish would not be good candidates to include in your Rift Lake tank. While there are a very small number of Synodontis Catfish that would adapt to your Mbuna tank, most all others are found in Africa mostly in soft -- mildly acidic to near neutral waters, notably the Congo River (many from the Stanley pool) drainage system, Niger, Senegal and Gambia River systems; even the Nile. With maintaining these Mbuna, your pH should be kept near 8.2, with very hard water, although they will do fairly well at a somewhat lower pH of 7.6. The Synodontis species you may adapt to your tank (but only if you maintain your pH nearer 8.2 -- again with very hard water) would include Synodontis Multipuntata, S. melanostictus and S. petricola, all coming from Lake Tanganyika having even a higher pH. Those many Synodontis species found in the various other African waters (river systems), as would include the lovely and much sought-after Synodontis angelicus -- and even the much familiar S. nigriventis (Upside-Down Catfish) would soon perish under these conditions, if not directly than from the longer-term stress of such adverse conditions to them, and could not be recommended for your tank. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Suzi <suziknits2@...> wrote: > > Can someone tell if there are cories that are compatible with > electric yellow labs, lavendar mbuna, yellow tailed acei and > red zebra? > > --- > Suzi > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35488	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Compatibility

Well, there's no single site to do all of your reading/research on so you can always ask here... but if you want a good place to start to do your own research and reading, start with http://www.mongabay.com/search.htm, which has one of the largest databases of fish profiles on the internet, in an easy to read, yet comprehensive format. Put a bullet in the Advanced Section, Fish Mongabay line and then type in the common name or latin name (if known) and click the Search button. That will bring you up one or more hits on fish with that common name. Then you'll have to read the profiles and look at the Picture links in the profiles to see which one you seeing at your store. Opening each of the top few links in separate tabs is what I usually do and then close the tabs that are not to a direct profile... sometimes the links will bring up another page of more general information, rather than an actual fish profile. Fishbase.org is the internets most complete site of fish profiles but their profiles are more written for the scientific community, researchers, etc. so you'll have to read the basic page plus click on all of the links in the More Info section for more info about that fish. Many other profiles found on the net are based on Fishbase.org profiles but the author also opened all the other links on the Fishbase profile and information from various books and other internet profiles and compiled it all on one page for easier reading. I have more good fish profile sites and even a few basic compatibility charts on my blog, http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html. Please note all of the notices, cautions and warnings when using the compatibility charts as they are just a starting point, not the final word on compatibility. Catfish searches should probably be done on PlanetCatfish.com although ScotCat.com also has a wealth of information on catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility Yeah. Well, the night that I bought the silver dollars, I was planning on buying a pair of guppies, but then they told me that they don't carry female guppies anymore, so I settled for the Silver Dollars. Imma be doing research...lol. What's a good site for researching fish? Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 11:47:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility I guess it boils down to which species yours are... as the common name "Silver Dollar" is given to many different species... some are strictly herbivores where others are omnivores. I'm not sure that anyone at your local WalMart would be able to definitively give you a correct answer on which species they sell but you could try looking at the actual order paperwork that they received. In any case, all of the fish from this family of fish still get pretty big and should be kept in schools of 5 or 6, at least, so a large tank would be needed. Considering this, the best case scenario, if you have a large enough tank, you could have a perfectly OK set up with lots of smaller fish schooling around the big Silver Dollars... or you could end up with 5 or 6 well fed Silver Dollars... burp! ;-) In the future, find out the latin/scientific name of a species and do a little bit of research... even just asking here... before buying so you can avoid problems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:11 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility Thanks for responding. I bought them from Walmart and the woman there told me they would only grow to about 2 inches. She lied cuz they bigger than that now. I'll be getting a bigger tank here within the next week, but I might check with Waggin Tails, our local pet store, and see if they might want them. Thanks! Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:37:39 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Compatibility With replies to your post seeming to indicate this is not a possibility, I have to say I believe it to be perfectly do-able from what I've experienced many years back and from what I have just been told by several well respected sources last night in personal conversation. While some species of Silver Dollars may get up to 6" or 8", they are for the most part almost strictly herbivors. As a usually "rule" of most fish being opportunistic when it comes to survival (i.e., putting food in one's mouth), many fish will dine on a smaller morsal, even including smaller fish when the opportunity presents itself, regardless of its natural diet and food preferences -- but I have to say in general, or as far as I can determine, most (perhaps all?) Silver Dollars of varying genus prefer not avail themselves of this potential food source, instead living in harmony with much smaller heterospecifics. Coincidentally, and without yet seeing your post, this very topic came up last night between several top fish breeders here in the Northeast and myself at our (NJAS) monthly Board meeting. We were discussing Silver Dollars and their notorious predilection for vegetative matter -- including aquarium plants! Two top aquarists, both p;resently keeping a number of Silver Dollar species, related how they often have "schools of baby guppies" in these same tanks of mixed Silver Dollars (Metynnis, Mylossoma and Myleus) with these guppy fry swimming around these fish (the Silver Dollars were in the midst of a schools of small guppies) without ever making the slightest attempt to grab one. This coincided with my same experiences of many years past when I was keeping Silver Dollars, and although these may be only isolated instances it tends to show Silver Dollars of at least many species have no interest in devouring their smaller tank mates. There may have been extenuating circumstances with all these encounters, such as the Silver Dollars perhaps always being well fed, only as admittedly this does seem unusual but I'm passing this on for what it shows. You should be aware though, that as a result of most Silver Dollars' eventual large size they need large tanks, which you need to consider when/if thinking of buying them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "*Carol Lynn*" <childofgod19832003 @...> wrote: > > I may have already asked this, but does anyone know if I can put > guppies in with glofish and silver dollars? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35489	From: Danielle	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: hi there!

Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered...WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35490	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated to Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the issue. Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe Flash 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit the refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your surfing. More detailed info on my non-fish blog at http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (it's currently the top blog) or http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple -and.html BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35491	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

Welcome to the group. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered...WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

Ooops.. hit send too fast. Congrats on the fry! I had two emails open and clicked send on yours instead of the other I was finished with. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered...WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35493	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the only sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work applications that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as MSDN. no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could also try googles browser chrome On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that were > chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another computer help > forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet Explorer freeze up > issues that have been causing problems for many surfers. I've even been > having them the past month since I updated to Flash 10 which is why I have > been doing my own research on the issue. > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe Flash > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to do, > from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed me to > something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE add-on called > Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off Adobe Flash in IE > when you are doing surfing and then if you come across a site that > absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on (YouTube for example), you just > click the Toggle Flash button, hit the refresh button and that page will > work fine. After you are done with your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash > button again and the Flash add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to > go with your surfing. > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > (it's currently the top blog) or > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple > -and.html > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system resources > and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many websites, > including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of reading on Yahoo > pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35494	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants

I was looking at the albums and there is this one album "210 manila" album that has some gorgeous aquarium setups, some driftwood that looks like it has moss on it? Can anyone tell me what that is?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

I did not start this thread to get into a debate about IE vs. FF vs. Safari vs. Chrome vs. all the other browsers... but somehow I knew an FF user would be first to jump in since most of the FF users really like that FF Kool-Aid.. btw... what's your favorite flavor? <G> I mainly offered this OT post here since this is a Yahoo Group and Yahoo Group web pages have lots of Flash ads and Adobe Flash 9 & 10 IE add-ons are causing many people to have IE freeze up problems so I wanted to offer a simple and free solution for folks while surfing through their Yahoo Groups... with the most popular and commonly used browser, Internet Explorer. David, please do not be lulled into a false sense of security with Firefox and do not promote it without also warning people that it will not fix their computer security issues if they do not also have basic computer security protocols in place.. but then, if they had them, IE wouldn't be a security problem. It's comparable to putting burglar bars on your windows (no pun intended) while leaving your doors wide open... not a whole lot of security in that set up. Read further down for a few articles elaborating on these known FF issues and why basic computer security is needed regardless of which browser you choose to use. A few years from now, you may be the first reply in a forum thread about FF, saying how you solved all your FF problems by switching to Chrome. A few years after that... whatever the browser du jour happens to be. While you, personally, may have solved your IE problems (I don't even know what yours were and they likely could have been solved with a few IE options adjustments... the same kind that FF users have to do), you probably did not solve your computer security issues by just installing FF. As FF becomes more popular, the hackers will start spending more time attacking it's users so please keep your firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware security in place, updated and running. Right now, IE is used by more than 70% of internet users and Firefox by only 20%, so the hackers spend most of their warped-mindset and resources going after IE but Firefox has many, many, many security issues with their browser. People who do not practice basic computer security and think that by switching to FF, it will solve their problems, instead of fixing the root problem (the user) will only find themselves even further infected. I often have to help friends whose computers are infested and they don't understand why since they were using Firefox and someone told them it was safe. While it might be a little safer (right now), mainly because hackers aren't wasting as much of their time attacking it, it is not completely safe... and as more users start using it, hackers will begin to spend even more and more of their time hacking Firefox. Technically, Firefox lovers would be better off if they would quit promoting it so much. As it gains in market share, it becomes a much bigger target for the criminals/hackers out there. I've used IE for years and years and have never seen the need to use an alternative browser... mainly because I do practice good computer security. I rarely find more than a tracking cookie in any of my security scans. I have looked at other browsers over the years but I just don't see where they are any better than IE as far as surfing goes. Of course, FF is able to lead off with some newer features quicker than IE because, in the past, they had such a small user base so their Beta testing was a much quicker process compared to new features in IE that have to be tested to make sure they are compatible with the multitudes of computers that use IE. As the FF user base grows, their Beta tests for new features will become longer and more time consuming for Mozilla. Here's a PCMag.com article... "Firefox 3.0.1 Fixes Security Issues" 7/18/08 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp (START SNIP) The Mozilla Foundation on Friday released an update to the company's heralded new web browser, version 3.0.1, with fixes for security, stability, a printing issue, and problems involving running Firefox 2 simultaneously. The most critical security fixes address a problem whereby an attacker could run code and install software, while requiring no user interaction beyond normal browsing. Other problems included the malware database not updating on first launch, and the SSL certificate exception list not being properly saved. The update also dealt with crashes using malformed GIF files on Mac OS X, command-line URLs that launch multiple tabs when Firefox is not running, and remote code execution by overflowing the CSS reference counter. (END SNIP) Mozilla even publishes their own list as the issues become known. http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ Here are the FIVE security updates they had to do just in the past two months... November and December, 2008... http://www.mozilla.org/security/ (START SNIP) Security Update (December 30, 2008): A security update has been issued for Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible. Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 release notes Security Update (December 18, 2008): The Windows version of Firefox 2.0.0.19 was missing the fix for MFSA 2008-65. We have re-released this as Firefox 2.0.0.20 which now correctly contains the fix. Firefox 2.0.0.20 release notes Security Update (December 16, 2008): Security updates have been issued for Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install these updates as soon as possible. Firefox 3.0.5 release notes Firefox 2.0.0.19 release notes Security Update (November 19, 2008): A security update has been issued for Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible. Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 release notes Security Update (November 12, 2008): Security updates have been issued for Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install these updates as soon as possible. Firefox 3.0.4 release notes Firefox 2.0.0.18 release notes (END SNIP) Same warnings above goes for Mac's OS and Safari browser users. Here's a snip from an article that basically says the same thing as me about market share being a big factor in security. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606 (START SNIP) . Lower profile target. One of the main reasons I'm more willing to trust my data security to my OS X (Mac) system is that they have a smaller market share than Windows does. This sounds peculiar to many people who aren't familiar with security, but in the dangerous world that is the Internet, keeping a low profile can be an important aspect of staying secure. The reason for this, quite simply, is that our attackers, by and large, write their attack code to market share, for all the same reasons that legitimate software developers most often deliver their Windows products before their Mac or Linux ones. Now, I'm fully aware that Firefox continues to make strides in this area and is constantly gaining market share, so this argument may well eventually fail. I'm confident, though, that by then I'll have other, lower profile choices available. For now, finding a balance between unpopular and popular enough to be widely supported on the web sites I frequent is very much a security consideration. Today, that nod goes to Firefox for my needs. It's very rare that I can't use Firefox on sites that I care about. (END SNIP) BTW... Mac's also suffer from many security issues and Windows Vista Ultimate actually beat the Mac's OSX in a well known hacker contest in the middle of 2008. Linux was the most secure OS of the three... that market share thing popping up again. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the only sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work applications that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as MSDN. no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could also try googles browser chrome On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that > were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet > Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many > surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated to > Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the issue. > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe > Flash > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to > do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed > me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE > add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off > Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come > across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on > (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit the > refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with > your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash > add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your surfing. > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > (it's currently the top blog) or > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple -and.html > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many > websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of > reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants

I didn't peek yet but I'm guessing Java Moss which is commonly attached to driftwood or rocks. I've also seen pieces of driftwood covered in a lush coating of algae that also looks fantastic. http://showcase.aquatic-gardeners.org/Images/600/239.jpg You can do a Google or Yahoo Image search for - java moss on driftwood - or - algae on driftwood - for lots of other nice pics. OK.. I just peeked. Yep, it's Java Moss. Here's more info on this easy low-light plant. http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=197 You can also search the group's messages for - java moss - to find lots more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants I was looking at the albums and there is this one album "210 manila" album that has some gorgeous aquarium setups, some driftwood that looks like it has moss on it? Can anyone tell me what that is?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35497	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants

Thank you so much! I just looked it up, it seems very hardy and fast growing! I was impressed by the look of it on the driftwood..I think I will give it a try! Not too much at first of course, want to keep it under control! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I didn't peek yet but I'm guessing Java Moss which is commonly attached to > driftwood or rocks. I've also seen pieces of driftwood covered in a lush > coating of algae that also looks fantastic. > http://showcase.aquatic-gardeners.org/Images/600/239.jpg > > You can do a Google or Yahoo Image search for - java moss on driftwood - or > - algae on driftwood - for lots of other nice pics. > > OK.. I just peeked. Yep, it's Java Moss. Here's more info on this easy > low-light plant. > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=197 > > You can also search the group's messages for - java moss - to find lots more > info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Elizabeth > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:39 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants > > I was looking at the albums and there is this one album "210 manila" > album that has some gorgeous aquarium setups, some driftwood that looks like > it has moss on it? Can anyone tell me what that is? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35498	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Why won't my sword tails breed?

hi, I never had alot of issues in the past, they seem to prefer same variety mates though. swords, platys, mollies are usually pretty easy to get them to breed, usually harder to get them to not overpopulate the tank! I had a post on here trying to ID my male sword, I had a pic posted in the photo section. not sure if he is a neon, pineapple or a candy cane? any help would be appreciated. I have been to a number of sites online and it seems as those are common names for the same fish? I have recently gotten back into keeping an aquarium. had five going about 15 yrs ago. The real problem with swordtails is keeping them from jumping out! just curious, how populated is your tank? if you have many fish, sometimes they get stressed and won't breed. Tim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > I keep reading on various internet sites, that livebarers are > supposed to bee good breeders. > > I have swordtails. One male to 3 females. And none of them are > pregnant yet. > Is he just not interested? or...i don't know... > > The male is a pineapple, and there are two black/silver females and > one pineapple female. > > He just doesn't seem to be bothered with them. > > The water temp is 24* cel > ph - about 7 > > I do weekly 20% pwc > > And their diet is varied between: > live foods (Brine and black worm) > Flake food, > Freeze dried blood worms > Freeze dried Daphina cubes, > And they pick at the sinking cory cat's tablets from time to time. > > The tank also has live plants. > some kind of crypt (i think) > > Dwarf anubias on bogwood > > And something that looks like a wort of some kind. (also needs a hair > cut soon) > > There a photos of the plants in my album > > Any thoughs, suggestions? > > Thanks. > Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35499	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

What kind of cichlids are they? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered...WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35500	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

sorry ray, did not mean to get off on the wrong foot here! not the first forum I have been on, just took it wrong... I am a moderator on a nascar forum, and I know misunderstandings happen, this group seems to be one of the more active on the yahoo groups dealing with aquarium life, I gotta say things seems to have changed since I had my aquariums set up before... we used to bleach the gravel and filter out to kill off the bacteria and algae! gotta wonder how we were able to keep the fish alive! I certainly hope there are no hard feelings, I am just here to relearn what used to seem second nature to me. still learning my way around. I am in the midwest ray, lol no way I'd even think of having fish shipped in freezing weather! appreciate the help, and I have seen KOI versions of many species of fish, I have recently acquired a second 30 gallon tank, and I plan on koi angelfish for my main inhabitants for that! not sure if I like the koi swords, I have seen pix of them on a few websites... kinda had my heart set on a trio of black swords though... eh got time right? rest of my life to find them lol, i just had sour grapes cause I was watching some at a local pet store while my tank got started, they died in the tank, cause they just do not take car of them like they should. I gotta wonder what kind of markup they have on them to let so many die? Tim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's > message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to your > original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing our > member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that had > no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring to > you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you directly. > > Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail varieties > you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't > venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua-Bid > if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail > variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I would > advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- > packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in > temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would > probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look into > the > > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another post > > in your > > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He was > not > > > replying to your initial post. > > > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and haven't > > even read > > > much about the various color schemes being bred into swordtails > > nowadays. > > > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with > swordtails and > > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on them. > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > > Association > > > for more specific breeding information on this species and other > > > livebearers. > > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the > fish... I > > have > > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > > names... neon > > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different > > names for > > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site > > tim's tank, > > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was > > only a 3 > > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things > have > > changed, > > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading > this > > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of > your > > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water > to > > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking > for > > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand > what > > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very > much > > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good > place > > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given > any > > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the > female. What > > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are > in this > > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female > to > > take > > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can > often > > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > livebearer > > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > > They had babies. > > > > > All babies die. > > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its > not > > > > in > > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > > > > bought > > > > > as > > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or > if > > > > those > > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few > females > > > > for > > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > > > > orange/red > > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red > line > > > > > below.. > > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > > > > pineapples" > > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the > bluish hue > > > > to > > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use > the same > > > > > fish > > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the > coloration of > > > > the > > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind > from > > > > > some > > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > > > > tank... > > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he > has > > > > two > > > > > red > > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not > too > > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35501	From: D@ni	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

Nicaraguanees  :0)   I think thats how you spell it. Dani --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:02 PM What kind of cichlids are they? _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered.. .WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!! !!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35502	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

Close enough for Google to figure it out! ;-) Is this yours??? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cichlasoma_nicaraguensis.html but the family name has been changed from Cichlasoma to Hypsophrys. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=68 http://www.fishbase.org/summary/speciessummary.php?id=12321 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D@ni Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! Nicaraguanees  :0)   I think thats how you spell it. Dani --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:02 PM What kind of cichlids are they? _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered.. .WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!! !!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35503	From: D@ni	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: hi there!

LOL...thats them!!!   :0) Dani --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:54 PM Close enough for Google to figure it out! ;-) Is this yours??? http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Cichlasoma_ nicaraguensis. html but the family name has been changed from Cichlasoma to Hypsophrys. http://www.cichlid- forum.com/ profiles/ species.php? id=68 http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ speciessummary. php?id=12321 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of D@ni Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! Nicaraguanees  :0)   I think thats how you spell it. Dani --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi there! To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Received: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:02 PM What kind of cichlids are they? _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] hi there! Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, and love all the info and pix already! We have 3 tanks in our home, our kids each have one, and ours has cichlids in it. Just yesterday, we discovered.. .WE HAVE BABIES!!!!!! !!!!!! The mama is taking great care of them. The guy at the fish store said to leave them be, the mother will take care of them until they are about an inch, then to remove them if they are getting bothered...I have added a pic to the group under "Dani's fish" I think they are very cute, and my family hopes at least a few will survive. My kids have platys and dwarf frogs, amongst other little fish. Just wanted to say "Hi' and introduce myself! :0) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35504	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

Lenny, Latest guesstimates of IE usage show less than 70% use IE. To all, Keep in mind that all browsers have security issues. All software ha security issues. It is just that plain and simple. Please note two things when reading the articles Lenny has posted links to. First, as above, Firefox is not immune to issues. It has them, as does everything. Firefox programmers, however, act with more rapidity than most, and with blinding speed compared to some, and the updates/patches are pushed out to users, rather than the users needing to use another program to get updates/patches. Second, many of the issues found thus far in Firefox have little chance of being exploited, and many are not even really exploitable without the complicit assent of the user. Practicing safe browsing is your best defense. Do not go to sires sent to you by persons unknown to you. Be wary of sites friends send to you. Keep your machine patched with the latest patch releases. Ensure that your security program(s) have the latest updates. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I did not start this thread to get into a debate about IE vs. FF vs. Safari > vs. Chrome vs. all the other browsers... but somehow I knew an FF user would > be first to jump in since most of the FF users really like that FF > Kool-Aid.. btw... what's your favorite flavor? <G> > > I mainly offered this OT post here since this is a Yahoo Group and Yahoo > Group web pages have lots of Flash ads and Adobe Flash 9 & 10 IE add-ons are > causing many people to have IE freeze up problems so I wanted to offer a > simple and free solution for folks while surfing through their Yahoo > Groups... with the most popular and commonly used browser, Internet > Explorer. > > David, please do not be lulled into a false sense of security with Firefox > and do not promote it without also warning people that it will not fix their > computer security issues if they do not also have basic computer security > protocols in place.. but then, if they had them, IE wouldn't be a security > problem. It's comparable to putting burglar bars on your windows (no pun > intended) while leaving your doors wide open... not a whole lot of security > in that set up. Read further down for a few articles elaborating on these > known FF issues and why basic computer security is needed regardless of > which browser you choose to use. A few years from now, you may be the first > reply in a forum thread about FF, saying how you solved all your FF problems > by switching to Chrome. A few years after that... whatever the browser du > jour happens to be. > > While you, personally, may have solved your IE problems (I don't even know > what yours were and they likely could have been solved with a few IE options > adjustments... the same kind that FF users have to do), you probably did not > solve your computer security issues by just installing FF. As FF becomes > more popular, the hackers will start spending more time attacking it's users > so please keep your firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware security in place, > updated and running. > > Right now, IE is used by more than 70% of internet users and Firefox by only > 20%, so the hackers spend most of their warped-mindset and resources going > after IE but Firefox has many, many, many security issues with their > browser. People who do not practice basic computer security and think that > by switching to FF, it will solve their problems, instead of fixing the root > problem (the user) will only find themselves even further infected. > > I often have to help friends whose computers are infested and they don't > understand why since they were using Firefox and someone told them it was > safe. While it might be a little safer (right now), mainly because hackers > aren't wasting as much of their time attacking it, it is not completely > safe... and as more users start using it, hackers will begin to spend even > more and more of their time hacking Firefox. > > Technically, Firefox lovers would be better off if they would quit promoting > it so much. As it gains in market share, it becomes a much bigger target > for the criminals/hackers out there. I've used IE for years and years and > have never seen the need to use an alternative browser... mainly because I > do practice good computer security. I rarely find more than a tracking > cookie in any of my security scans. I have looked at other browsers over > the years but I just don't see where they are any better than IE as far as > surfing goes. Of course, FF is able to lead off with some newer features > quicker than IE because, in the past, they had such a small user base so > their Beta testing was a much quicker process compared to new features in IE > that have to be tested to make sure they are compatible with the multitudes > of computers that use IE. As the FF user base grows, their Beta tests for > new features will become longer and more time consuming for Mozilla. > > Here's a PCMag.com article... "Firefox 3.0.1 Fixes Security Issues" 7/18/08 > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp > (START SNIP) > The Mozilla Foundation on Friday released an update to the company's > heralded new web browser, version 3.0.1, with fixes for security, stability, > a printing issue, and problems involving running Firefox 2 simultaneously. > > The most critical security fixes address a problem whereby an attacker could > run code and install software, while requiring no user interaction beyond > normal browsing. Other problems included the malware database not updating > on first launch, and the SSL certificate exception list not being properly > saved. > > The update also dealt with crashes using malformed GIF files on Mac OS X, > command-line URLs that launch multiple tabs when Firefox is not running, and > remote code execution by overflowing the CSS reference counter. > (END SNIP) > > Mozilla even publishes their own list as the issues become known. > http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ > > Here are the FIVE security updates they had to do just in the past two > months... November and December, 2008... > http://www.mozilla.org/security/ > (START SNIP) > Security Update (December 30, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (December 18, 2008): The Windows version of Firefox 2.0.0.19 > was missing the fix for MFSA 2008-65. We have re-released this as Firefox > 2.0.0.20 which now correctly contains the fix. > > Firefox 2.0.0.20 release notes > Security Update (December 16, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.5 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (November 19, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 release notes > Security Update (November 12, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.4 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.18 release notes > (END SNIP) > > Same warnings above goes for Mac's OS and Safari browser users. Here's a > snip from an article that basically says the same thing as me about market > share being a big factor in security. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606 > (START SNIP) > . Lower profile target. One of the main reasons I'm more willing to trust my > data security to my OS X (Mac) system is that they have a smaller market > share than Windows does. This sounds peculiar to many people who aren't > familiar with security, but in the dangerous world that is the Internet, > keeping a low profile can be an important aspect of staying secure. > > The reason for this, quite simply, is that our attackers, by and large, > write their attack code to market share, for all the same reasons that > legitimate software developers most often deliver their Windows products > before their Mac or Linux ones. > > Now, I'm fully aware that Firefox continues to make strides in this area and > is constantly gaining market share, so this argument may well eventually > fail. I'm confident, though, that by then I'll have other, lower profile > choices available. > > For now, finding a balance between unpopular and popular enough to be widely > supported on the web sites I frequent is very much a security consideration. > Today, that nod goes to Firefox for my needs. It's very rare that I can't > use Firefox on sites that I care about. > (END SNIP) > > BTW... Mac's also suffer from many security issues and Windows Vista > Ultimate actually beat the Mac's OSX in a well known hacker contest in the > middle of 2008. Linux was the most secure OS of the three... that market > share thing popping up again. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the only > sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work applications > that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as MSDN. > no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could also try > googles browser chrome > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that > > were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > > computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet > > Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many > > surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated to > > Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the issue. > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe > > Flash > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to > > do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed > > me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE > > add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off > > Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come > > across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on > > (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit the > > refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with > > your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash > > add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your surfing. > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-si mple > -and.html > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > > resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many > > websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of > > reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as > well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35505	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: My Betta gets a new home

Hi Harl, I am glad you found a happy new tank for your betta. Just want to warn you that they do jump! I have had them jump and when they have done it, they have gone pretty far. They may not do it often, but all it takes is once when you are not there.... Maybe you could put a net or some screen over the top of the tank if you can't find a top for it? Frogs definitely will get out if you do not have a top for the tank. Those little buggers love to escape. Also, a 3 gallon is not big enough to hold both a betta and a frog comfortably, sorry. A snail might be okay but you should talk to the place you get it and make sure it's a type that won't reproduce or you'll be grumbling about that cute snail real quick! LOL! I think you can look up snails on theaquariumwikipedia.com and find out which of them don't reproduce like mad when they are kept alone. Seems like apple snails are one such type? Finally, have you thought about a real plant or two? They are prettier than the fake ones and contribute to the health of your fish. Plus, the snail would like them if you got a snail. If you like the fake ones better, never mind. I just wanted to encourage you to get up the courage to give it a try if that was what was holding you back. These are just my ideas. Best of luck to you and your betta. I know he'll be happy in his new home with you. Deb P. --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> From a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, that was a pain to clean and change water, to a 3 gallon Picotope glass tank. Plan to just change a gallon a week or mabe every other. He has only been in there for a couple of hours, so I am not sure how well he is going to like it, but I love it! Small and classy! Put blue construction paper for a background, and have black substrate with a few light blue stones mixed in. The light has a blue cast to it as well. All this really shows off the blueish spots on the sides of my red betta delta tail. Has it's own little filter, it is just nice! Need to get some nice fake plants, and I am going to use a PVC pipe with substrate glued to it for a small shelter house. It is only a half gallon bigger, but seems like he has much more space, and a ton more surface area. No top, just open air, but I do not use chemicals in my office, and he is not a jumper. Heck, he looks lonely in there all by himself. What would go well in with him? Would a big snail, or the ADF excape with no top? Any other ideas? Maybe it won't look so big when I add plants... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35506	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions

Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and still put into water and then it will start growing again? I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches rather than a lily type. Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. Deb P. (still new to the site) --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:11 PM I didn't peek yet but I'm guessing Java Moss which is commonly attached to driftwood or rocks. I've also seen pieces of driftwood covered in a lush coating of algae that also looks fantastic. http://showcase. aquatic-gardener s.org/Images/ 600/239.jpg You can do a Google or Yahoo Image search for - java moss on driftwood - or - algae on driftwood - for lots of other nice pics. OK.. I just peeked. Yep, it's Java Moss. Here's more info on this easy low-light plant. http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=197 You can also search the group's messages for - java moss - to find lots more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants I was looking at the albums and there is this one album "210 manila" album that has some gorgeous aquarium setups, some driftwood that looks like it has moss on it? Can anyone tell me what that is? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35507	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

To the remaining users of IE, and in support of Steve: I have been using FF for a number of years and have had no issues other than some flash not working because the flash software was not loaded which I did later. Where I work and have 100+ computers used by all kinds of people- the largest problem encountered is from IE 7. Then they are using FF as soon as I get there. MS has been producing garbage software for years and I don't expect them to ever stop. Those still using IE are simply not informed computer users and that mixed with them not having others to help them with Firewalls, Anti virus and Adware, I see it all the time where they are having trouble. The only thing worse than IE 7 is their implementation of a thing called Redirect on a network. It slows everything down to a crawl- that is MS's trait. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago Steve Szabo wrote: > > Lenny, > > Latest guesstimates of IE usage show less than 70% use IE. > > To all, > > Keep in mind that all browsers have security issues. All software ha > security issues. It is just that plain and simple. > > Please note two things when reading the articles Lenny has posted links > to. First, as above, Firefox is not immune to issues. It has them, as > does everything. Firefox programmers, however, act with more rapidity > than most, and with blinding speed compared to some, and the > updates/patches are pushed out to users, rather than the users needing > to use another program to get updates/patches. Second, many of the > issues found thus far in Firefox have little chance of being exploited, > and many are not even really exploitable without the complicit assent of > the user. > > Practicing safe browsing is your best defense. Do not go to sires sent > to you by persons unknown to you. Be wary of sites friends send to you. > Keep your machine patched with the latest patch releases. Ensure that > your security program(s) have the latest updates. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > > > I did not start this thread to get into a debate about IE vs. FF vs. > Safari > > vs. Chrome vs. all the other browsers... but somehow I knew an FF user > would > > be first to jump in since most of the FF users really like that FF > > Kool-Aid.. btw... what's your favorite flavor? <G> > > > > I mainly offered this OT post here since this is a Yahoo Group and > Yahoo > > Group web pages have lots of Flash ads and Adobe Flash 9 & 10 IE > add-ons are > > causing many people to have IE freeze up problems so I wanted to offer > a > > simple and free solution for folks while surfing through their Yahoo > > Groups... with the most popular and commonly used browser, Internet > > Explorer. > > > > David, please do not be lulled into a false sense of security with > Firefox > > and do not promote it without also warning people that it will not fix > their > > computer security issues if they do not also have basic computer > security > > protocols in place.. but then, if they had them, IE wouldn't be a > security > > problem. It's comparable to putting burglar bars on your windows (no > pun > > intended) while leaving your doors wide open... not a whole lot of > security > > in that set up. Read further down for a few articles elaborating on > these > > known FF issues and why basic computer security is needed regardless > of > > which browser you choose to use. A few years from now, you may be the > first > > reply in a forum thread about FF, saying how you solved all your FF > problems > > by switching to Chrome. A few years after that... whatever the > browser du > > jour happens to be. > > > > While you, personally, may have solved your IE problems (I don't even > know > > what yours were and they likely could have been solved with a few IE > options > > adjustments... the same kind that FF users have to do), you probably > did not > > solve your computer security issues by just installing FF. As FF > becomes > > more popular, the hackers will start spending more time attacking it's > users > > so please keep your firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware security in > place, > > updated and running. > > > > Right now, IE is used by more than 70% of internet users and Firefox > by only > > 20%, so the hackers spend most of their warped-mindset and resources > going > > after IE but Firefox has many, many, many security issues with their > > browser. People who do not practice basic computer security and think > that > > by switching to FF, it will solve their problems, instead of fixing > the root > > problem (the user) will only find themselves even further infected. > > > > I often have to help friends whose computers are infested and they > don't > > understand why since they were using Firefox and someone told them it > was > > safe. While it might be a little safer (right now), mainly because > hackers > > aren't wasting as much of their time attacking it, it is not > completely > > safe... and as more users start using it, hackers will begin to spend > even > > more and more of their time hacking Firefox. > > > > Technically, Firefox lovers would be better off if they would quit > promoting > > it so much. As it gains in market share, it becomes a much bigger > target > > for the criminals/hackers out there. I've used IE for years and years > and > > have never seen the need to use an alternative browser... mainly > because I > > do practice good computer security. I rarely find more than a > tracking > > cookie in any of my security scans. I have looked at other browsers > over > > the years but I just don't see where they are any better than IE as > far as > > surfing goes. Of course, FF is able to lead off with some newer > features > > quicker than IE because, in the past, they had such a small user base > so > > their Beta testing was a much quicker process compared to new features > in IE > > that have to be tested to make sure they are compatible with the > multitudes > > of computers that use IE. As the FF user base grows, their Beta tests > for > > new features will become longer and more time consuming for Mozilla. > > > > Here's a PCMag.com article... "Firefox 3.0.1 Fixes Security Issues" > 7/18/08 > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp > <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp> > > (START SNIP) > > The Mozilla Foundation on Friday released an update to the company's > > heralded new web browser, version 3.0.1, with fixes for security, > stability, > > a printing issue, and problems involving running Firefox 2 > simultaneously. > > > > The most critical security fixes address a problem whereby an attacker > could > > run code and install software, while requiring no user interaction > beyond > > normal browsing. Other problems included the malware database not > updating > > on first launch, and the SSL certificate exception list not being > properly > > saved. > > > > The update also dealt with crashes using malformed GIF files on Mac OS > X, > > command-line URLs that launch multiple tabs when Firefox is not > running, and > > remote code execution by overflowing the CSS reference counter. > > (END SNIP) > > > > Mozilla even publishes their own list as the issues become known. > > http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ > <http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/> > > > > Here are the FIVE security updates they had to do just in the past two > > months... November and December, 2008... > > http://www.mozilla.org/security/ <http://www.mozilla.org/security/> > > (START SNIP) > > Security Update (December 30, 2008): A security update has been issued > for > > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users > should > > install this update as soon as possible. > > > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 release notes > > Security Update (December 18, 2008): The Windows version of Firefox > 2.0.0.19 > > was missing the fix for MFSA 2008-65. We have re-released this as > Firefox > > 2.0.0.20 which now correctly contains the fix. > > > > Firefox 2.0.0.20 release notes > > Security Update (December 16, 2008): Security updates have been issued > for > > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. > All > > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > > > Firefox 3.0.5 release notes > > Firefox 2.0.0.19 release notes > > Security Update (November 19, 2008): A security update has been issued > for > > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users > should > > install this update as soon as possible. > > > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 release notes > > Security Update (November 12, 2008): Security updates have been issued > for > > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. > All > > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > > > Firefox 3.0.4 release notes > > Firefox 2.0.0.18 release notes > > (END SNIP) > > > > Same warnings above goes for Mac's OS and Safari browser users. > Here's a > > snip from an article that basically says the same thing as me about > market > > share being a big factor in security. > > > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606 > <http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606> > > (START SNIP) > > . Lower profile target. One of the main reasons I'm more willing to > trust my > > data security to my OS X (Mac) system is that they have a smaller > market > > share than Windows does. This sounds peculiar to many people who > aren't > > familiar with security, but in the dangerous world that is the > Internet, > > keeping a low profile can be an important aspect of staying secure. > > > > The reason for this, quite simply, is that our attackers, by and > large, > > write their attack code to market share, for all the same reasons that > > legitimate software developers most often deliver their Windows > products > > before their Mac or Linux ones. > > > > Now, I'm fully aware that Firefox continues to make strides in this > area and > > is constantly gaining market share, so this argument may well > eventually > > fail. I'm confident, though, that by then I'll have other, lower > profile > > choices available. > > > > For now, finding a balance between unpopular and popular enough to be > widely > > supported on the web sites I frequent is very much a security > consideration. > > Today, that nod goes to Firefox for my needs. It's very rare that I > can't > > use Firefox on sites that I care about. > > (END SNIP) > > > > BTW... Mac's also suffer from many security issues and Windows Vista > > Ultimate actually beat the Mac's OSX in a well known hacker contest in > the > > middle of 2008. Linux was the most secure OS of the three... that > market > > share thing popping up again. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > > Behalf Of David Keymel > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the > only > > sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work > applications > > that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as > MSDN. > > no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could > also try > > googles browser chrome > > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems > that > > > were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > > > computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet > > > Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many > > > surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated > to > > > Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the > issue. > > > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by > Adobe > > > Flash > > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to > > > do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and > directed > > > me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE > > > add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com > <http://flash.melameth.com> which turns off > > > Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come > > > across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on > > > (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit > the > > > refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with > > > your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash > > > add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your > surfing. > > > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com> > > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-si > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-si> > mple > > -and.html > > > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > > > resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on > many > > > websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots > of > > > reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing > as > > well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35508	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/plants/FrancoValias_aquatic_flowers.html goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just right. http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at the bottom. I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfecting agents that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I don't anticipate doing this any time soon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and still put into water and then it will start growing again? I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches rather than a lily type. Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. Deb P. (still new to the site) --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:11 PM I didn't peek yet but I'm guessing Java Moss which is commonly attached to driftwood or rocks. I've also seen pieces of driftwood covered in a lush coating of algae that also looks fantastic. http://showcase. aquatic-gardener s.org/Images/ 600/239.jpg You can do a Google or Yahoo Image search for - java moss on driftwood - or - algae on driftwood - for lots of other nice pics. OK.. I just peeked. Yep, it's Java Moss. Here's more info on this easy low-light plant. http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=197 You can also search the group's messages for - java moss - to find lots more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants I was looking at the albums and there is this one album "210 manila" album that has some gorgeous aquarium setups, some driftwood that looks like it has moss on it? Can anyone tell me what that is?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35509	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Hi Tim (redfishbluefish), No harm done, and no hard feelings -- seems like you just made the mistake of overlooking the message (texas_tears2000) I was replying to; I trust you've seen her message since. As a moderator (on another group) yourself, you're probably aware that it would serve me (or this group) no purpose to shoot you down or get you bent out of shape. Yes, this is one of the most active yahoo groups going, on aquarium- related subjects. As it appears you are learning, aquarium maintenance technology has advanced over the years and with it, easier and more dependable continuance of your aquarium inhabitants. It does sometimes seem a wonder that we were able to keep anything alive years ago (LOL), but then, fish were hardier back then for the most part -- besides, those fish didn't know anymore than we did <grin>. Many years back, cycling was unheard of; no one cycled their tanks yet there never seemed to be any problems stemming from that. Yeah, I understand your reluctance about having fish shipped to you at this time of year. It was for that reason why I advised you to wait for warmer weather. Heat packs can be unreliable, especially in below freezing weather or if there's a delay during shipping. Then too, when handling the shipment after its arrival at your nearest airport, the cargo handlers may not bring the plane's load inside from the tarmac in a timely manner. Koi Angels would be a good choice and while some recommendations may not subscribe housing them in as small of a tank as a 30 gallon, many Angelfish breeders use just that size for a breeding pair. The fry could not be raised with the parents, however, if this was your plan. Being somewhat newer, Koi Swordtails are increasingly gaining in popularity, even here in the Northeast and while their pattern is striking I can see why you prefer staying with the Pineapple strain; the male you have is exceedingly nice. Too bad about those Black Swordtails that died in your LFS's tank. Perhaps he'll get more in, in the future, when you would then have no problem placing them in one of your tanks. Getting back to your main topic of interest, I hadn't replied to it as I don't consider myself a Swordtail expert, but while any certain strain's characteristics should be confined to its original developments, you'll find that these characteristics can vary over time as the variety is continued by various breeders. I mention this, as what you're expecting to find in trying to obtain female Pineapple Swordtails may vary somewhat from the pattern you presently have. In checking out your photo on this Group-Site as well as the same one you posted on the ALA (for those members unfamiliar with this abbreviation, its -- American Livebearers Association) Site (which by the way has more definition on the ALA for some reason), from your male's color pattern it appears as if this line may have come partially from Albino Pineapple Swords. As far as I can tell by your photos though, your male's eyes are black; please state if they're red, I can't determine. Now as for the other common names you question for this same strain, from what I'm aware, while Neon Swordtails are very similar to the Pineapple -- even having the red saddle -- some of their traits are closer to the original Green Swordtail in that their prominent longitudinal line is black -- not red, as in yours. Their fins are shaded much more yellow, not orange-red as is yours. The sword on the Neon Swordtail is completely outlined in black, again unmistakenly including this part of the Green Swordtail's traits. The Pineapple Swordtail's sword is only partially outlined, but still much more so than the Candy. The Candy Swordtail, again being very similar, has no red along the top, nor are its dorsal or caudal fins solid orange-red but instead heavily speckled orange-red over yellowish fins. Whereas your fish's secondary horizontal lines are blackish, the Candy Swordtail's secondary lines are also red as is its primary/prominent heavy horizontal line. Its sword is not as well outlined (in black) as either the Pineapple or the Neon Swords. As all three strains are quite close in appearance, it seems evident that they may well have been derived from one original line, although I can't say which strain was developed from which other strain, if that were the case, or if they each were developed as separate varieties from an original strain. As far as I'm aware, they are not synonyms though; your strain is Pineapple. As I stated above, even your Pineapple Swordtail strain may vary from breeder to breeder -- and that includes possible stightly different strains from various fish farms. You may even be disappointed by some, although there may be strains out there in the hobby that have even more intense red coloring in them; that remains unseen. If you're unable to find any suitable Pineapple Swordtail females, I'd suggest obtaining Albino Swordtails and adding your male's genes to their offspring. If you find them in a tank at your LFS accompanied by Albino males, remember that these females can carry several succeeding batches of fry with one mating (from an Albino male) so you'll have to wait until the females are free of Albino fry to expect any fry from your Pineapple - Albino matings. Still, this should not prevent you from housing them all in the same aquarium -- except for the Black Swordtails, which you'll have to house separately to prevent fertilization by them. Most of these offspring will show the your male Pineapple Swordtail's traits. If he has any Albino genes in his background, you may expect some (probably 25%) Albino offspring. Otherwise, the females' Albino traits will be hidden, possibly to be expressed in future generations depending upon the arrangement of subsequent generations' matings. This may be the best way to raise your strain of Pineapple Swordtails in the absence of females of this same strain, and be relatively assured the offspring will resemble your male. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@...> wrote: > > sorry ray, did not mean to get off on the wrong foot here! not the > first forum I have been on, just took it wrong... I am a moderator on > a nascar forum, and I know misunderstandings happen, this group seems > to be one of the more active on the yahoo groups dealing with aquarium > life, I gotta say things seems to have changed since I had my > aquariums set up before... we used to bleach the gravel and filter out > to kill off the bacteria and algae! gotta wonder how we were able to > keep the fish alive! I certainly hope there are no hard feelings, I am > just here to relearn what used to seem second nature to me. still > learning my way around. I am in the midwest ray, lol no way I'd even > think of having fish shipped in freezing weather! appreciate the help, > and I have seen KOI versions of many species of fish, I have recently > acquired a second 30 gallon tank, and I plan on koi angelfish for my > main inhabitants for that! not sure if I like the koi swords, I have > seen pix of them on a few websites... kinda had my heart set on a trio > of black swords though... eh got time right? rest of my life to find > them lol, i just had sour grapes cause I was watching some at a local > pet store while my tank got started, they died in the tank, cause they > just do not take car of them like they should. I gotta wonder what > kind of markup they have on them to let so many die? > > > Tim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's > > message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to your > > original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing our > > member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that had > > no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring to > > you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you directly. > > > > Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail varieties > > you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't > > venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua- Bid > > if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail > > variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I would > > advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- > > packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in > > temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would > > probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look into > > the > > > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another post > > > in your > > > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He was > > not > > > > replying to your initial post. > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and haven't > > > even read > > > > much about the various color schemes being bred into swordtails > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with > > swordtails and > > > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on them. > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > > > Association > > > > for more specific breeding information on this species and other > > > > livebearers. > > > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the > > fish... I > > > have > > > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > > > names... neon > > > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with different > > > names for > > > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this site > > > tim's tank, > > > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it was > > > only a 3 > > > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many things > > have > > > changed, > > > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after reading > > this > > > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female Pineapple > > > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss of > > your > > > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your water > > to > > > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you looking > > for > > > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you undertsand > > what > > > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us very > > much > > > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a good > > place > > > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't given > > any > > > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the > > female. What > > > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish are > > in this > > > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the female > > to > > > take > > > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this can > > often > > > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > > livebearer > > > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > > > They had babies. > > > > > > All babies die. > > > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn green,its > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my swordtail, > > > > > bought > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, or > > if > > > > > those > > > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a few > > females > > > > > for > > > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. complete > > > > > > orange/red > > > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken red > > line > > > > > > below.. > > > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... most" > > > > > pineapples" > > > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the > > bluish hue > > > > > to > > > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many use > > the same > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the > > coloration of > > > > > the > > > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy blind > > from > > > > > > some > > > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones for my > > > > > tank... > > > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. he > > has > > > > > two > > > > > > red > > > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are not > > too > > > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets are > > > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35510	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Alternative to API test tubes?

Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35511	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

I take about 1/2 a cup of water from the tank and do all my testing on the kitchen counter. I cut myself a piece of plastic drop cloth to protect the counter top from the harsher chemicals in the API test kit. I also wear plastic gloves and grip the test tubes pretty firmly when I'm shaking them. I wish those little plastic caps wouldn't leak after the first few uses. I finally threw them out and close the tops with my thumb or a finger (wearing plastic gloves, of course). DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35512	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Scavenger Brackish Tank Mate

Is there a scavenger tank mate that I can put in with my Bumblebee Gobie? He is set up in a 10g tank. I have a small (less than an inch) female guppy that helps with eating leftover food. I try and keep an eye out for stray food and I put back into the water circulation for another round of "hunting". I use a syringe when feeding so I dont overfeed but even thats a challenge to get 1 or 2 brine at a time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35513	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...

I feel like all I ever do is ask questions! So here is my Oscar story and my questions... I just got back into aquariums as a hobby 2 months ago, and of course my first fish had to be an Oscar. I had some as a teen, and liked their personalities. I currently have a 5 inch Tiger Oscar in a 55 gallon tank with a 4 inch Jack Dempsey. Originally I had two tigers, but one died within a week of me getting it, so I got the Jack. Poseidon (the oscar) and Jack the pumpkin king (the jack) get along well, and seem to recognize I or my husband when we turn the light on and feed, but Lately Posi (for short) has been acting stressed, if I turn on the light and there are more than 2 people in the room his colors fade to grey and he hides in the corner. Same reaction when my Mastiff is in the room. Can they recognize people? Or is it just the flare of the light setting him off? If I walk by the tank he aqua stalks me acting like he is starving. They have a varied diet, chichlid balls, flakes, bloodworms, shredded lettuce, and beef heart. He is not starving. It is funny. Any advice on Oscars and the personalities, and why he fades to grey? I think it's stress? P.S. Posi was 3 inches when I got him so he has grown 2 inches in 2 months, I do regular water changes (25% one week, almost 50 the next week) and test the p.h. Seems happy other than the abrupt color changes and hiding in the corner of the tank.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35514	From: caroline	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: fancy goldfish..

never thought I would have gold fish.. my children came over and surprised me with two goldfish.. I call them regis and kelley.. kelley keeps swimming very slowly..unsidedown.. they both are very large...4 inches without their gorgeous tails.. I have gotten them a 40 gallon tank.. they are in a paltry 15 gallon, right now.. is there a way to help this poor fish.. caroline in nevada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35515	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..

If you had just gotten them recently and the one is swimming upside down, I would quarantine the sick one in a hospital tank with some Melafix until you are able to get a clearer picture as to what is going on. I am on the fence with using aquarium salt in a hopsital tank because I heard goldfish dont mix well with salt. Melafix tends to calm them down too. I am a still a beginner and have difficulty with fish diseases and I do this with my fish until I can get the exact answer I need here(believe me there is ALOT of knowledge in this group!!!) Check your ammonia levels too, as 15 gallons is way to small for them. 40 gallon with a water turn over of 200 gph would be the absolute minimum I would keep them in. Tom --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, caroline <waves02@...> wrote: > > never thought I would have gold fish.. my children came over and > surprised me with two goldfish.. I call them regis and > kelley.. kelley keeps swimming very slowly..unsidedown.. they both > are very large...4 inches without their gorgeous tails.. I have > gotten them a 40 gallon tank.. they are in a paltry 15 gallon, right > now.. is there a way to help this poor fish.. caroline in nevada > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35516	From: Darlene	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

write or phone the company to see if the make plastic tubes :) and if yes can they mail say 50 or so to you LOL Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35517	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...

Yes, They MOST CERTAINLY recognize people -- especially their owners (feeders). This is more notable with the New World Cichlids, although the small Cichlid species should not be excluded, nor should Cichlids of the other continents. For that matter, this behavior will be seen in many other species as well. Your Oscar may well be stressed from the appearance of unfamiliar people and dogs -- any other different stimuli affecting its environment. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth" <jayzlady2007@...> wrote: > > I feel like all I ever do is ask questions! So here is my Oscar story > and my questions... > I just got back into aquariums as a hobby 2 months ago, and of course > my first fish had to be an Oscar. I had some as a teen, and liked > their personalities. > I currently have a 5 inch Tiger Oscar in a 55 gallon tank with a 4 > inch Jack Dempsey. Originally I had two tigers, but one died within a > week of me getting it, so I got the Jack. > Poseidon (the oscar) and Jack the pumpkin king (the jack) get along > well, and seem to recognize I or my husband when we turn the light on > and feed, but Lately Posi (for short) has been acting stressed, if I > turn on the light and there are more than 2 people in the room his > colors fade to grey and he hides in the corner. Same reaction when my > Mastiff is in the room. > Can they recognize people? Or is it just the flare of the light > setting him off? If I walk by the tank he aqua stalks me acting like > he is starving. They have a varied diet, chichlid balls, flakes, > bloodworms, shredded lettuce, and beef heart. He is not starving. It > is funny. Any advice on Oscars and the personalities, and why he fades > to grey? I think it's stress? > P.S. Posi was 3 inches when I got him so he has grown 2 inches in 2 > months, I do regular water changes (25% one week, almost 50 the next > week) and test the p.h. Seems happy other than the abrupt color > changes and hiding in the corner of the tank. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35518	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant and should last more than one lifetime. The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to cut costs. The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes when it's in front of the color card. You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual evacuation. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35519	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

Firefox has just as many issues, so no, that is not a solution. As a web developer, I use both. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Chrome was pretty blah and lack, well, features... If you like Firefox, use it. If you like IE...use it. neither one is better than the other. Most corporate environments use IE as their standard. You also my be accessing a site that was designed for an older version of IE. IE has a broken page icon on it...click on that and it will put it in compatibility mode (the latest version is a bit more strict on it's rendering of html) and that should fix most problems not related to third party products. There are many sites on the net that don;t work well with Firefox. The flash issue is not an IE issue...it's a flash issue. I have experienced this same issue in both browsers. Flash can be a hog, especially when it is misused, as it often is. I have seen otherwise simple sites bomb out because of the way flash was used on the site to replace form fields and items like that. Javascript is one of the main culprits of browser issues because none of the browsers stick to the standards and that makes Javascript programing pure hell. I am all for just having a single browser. The folks that think otherwise are not old enough to remember the DOS days and how much of a pain it was to deal with a gazillion different versions of DOS...none of which was compatible with the other. Eric David Keymel wrote: > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the > only sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work > applications that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different > things such as MSDN. no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for > problems. You could also try googles browser chrome > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems > that were > > chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > computer help > > forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet Explorer freeze up > > issues that have been causing problems for many surfers. I've even been > > having them the past month since I updated to Flash 10 which is why > I have > > been doing my own research on the issue. > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by > Adobe Flash > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to do, > > from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed me to > > something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE add-on > called > > Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com <http://flash.melameth.com> > which turns off Adobe Flash in IE > > when you are doing surfing and then if you come across a site that > > absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on (YouTube for example), > you just > > click the Toggle Flash button, hit the refresh button and that page will > > work fine. After you are done with your YouTubing, click the Toggle > Flash > > button again and the Flash add-on is turned back off in IE so you're > good to > > go with your surfing. > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com> > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple> > > -and.html > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > resources > > and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many websites, > > including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of reading > on Yahoo > > pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35520	From: caroline	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..

on my way to pets smart.... for the melafix.. and changing.. partial water changing.. too.. thank you so much.. caroline At 10:19 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >If you had just gotten them recently and the one is swimming upside >down, I would quarantine the sick one in a hospital tank with some >Melafix until you are able to get a clearer picture as to what is going >on. I am on the fence with using aquarium salt in a hopsital tank >because I heard goldfish dont mix well with salt. Melafix tends to calm >them down too. >I am a still a beginner and have difficulty with fish diseases and I do >this with my fish until I can get the exact answer I need here(believe >me there is ALOT of knowledge in this group!!!) > >Check your ammonia levels too, as 15 gallons is way to small for them. >40 gallon with a water turn over of 200 gph would be the absolute >minimum I would keep them in. > >Tom > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, caroline ><waves02@...> wrote: > > > > never thought I would have gold fish.. my children came over and > > surprised me with two goldfish.. I call them regis and > > kelley.. kelley keeps swimming very slowly..unsidedown.. they both > > are very large...4 inches without their gorgeous tails.. I have > > gotten them a 40 gallon tank.. they are in a paltry 15 gallon, right > > now.. is there a way to help this poor fish.. caroline in nevada > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...

As you already seem to know, fish will change color for a number of reasons and stress is one of them. Yes, they can and do learn to recognize people. Are you turning on a room light first or just going from darkness to the bright tank lights? I try to mimic nature by only turning on a room light at first for an hour, mimicking sunrise, to give the fish a chance to adjust to the coming daylight... when the tank's lights are turned on. Same with turning them off at night. Turn on a room light first, then turn off the tank lights. Then an hour later, turn off the room lights. What are the other water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, etc.? Did you fishless cycle the tank or are you possibly still in the middle of cycling with fish? It can take up to two months to get a tank through the nitrogen cycle... even longer if steps weren't taken to insure that the nitrifying bacteria were not harmed during their establishment. What kind of pH test results have you been getting? Are they staying the same each week or how much are they going down between PWC's? If you've been testing the other water parameters and the tank cycled OK, then you still need to test your nitrate levels. It's possible that your PWC (partial water change) schedule is sufficient but without testing the nitrates on a regular basis, they could be getting higher and higher which will cause stress issues to fish. With BIG fish, weekly (or more often) filter maintenance is also important to remove the waste. I have a long article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" on my blog. Doing this properly, especially while the tank is still new, is very, very important as improper filter maintenance will likely result in a new mini-cycle happening each time it's done improperly. Further, as the fish grow, more frequent tank maintenance will be needed. For example, a 12" Oscar is not just equal to 12 1" Oscars... more like 1,000 1" Oscars. I've never done or seen the math for Oscars but for goldfish and most other large bodied fish, they grow in body mass by eight times for each time they double their length up to around the 12" mark... after that the escalation in body mass increases at an even faster rate. Here's the basic math. A 2" fish is equal to eight 1" fish. A 4" fish is equal to eight 2" or 64 1" fish. An 8" fish is equal to 8 4", 64 2" or over 500 1" fish. A 12" fish tops the 1,000 1" fish scale in the body mass measurement. So... the tank maintenance (PWC's, filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming, etc.) that was done when the two fish were 2" or 3" would have to be more than doubled each time the fish double in size. As you can see from the above, your 55G will need to be upgraded as well. A 55G isn't really enough tank for even a single Oscar. The figure I've seen is 75G for even a single Oscar to make life a little easier on the fish and the fish keeper. Two big fish would need almost double the tank size. There is also a guideline that a tank should be at least 6X to 8X longer than the largest expected adult sized fish to give them adequate swimming room. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Questions for Oscar lovers and owners... I feel like all I ever do is ask questions! So here is my Oscar story and my questions... I just got back into aquariums as a hobby 2 months ago, and of course my first fish had to be an Oscar. I had some as a teen, and liked their personalities. I currently have a 5 inch Tiger Oscar in a 55 gallon tank with a 4 inch Jack Dempsey. Originally I had two tigers, but one died within a week of me getting it, so I got the Jack. Poseidon (the oscar) and Jack the pumpkin king (the jack) get along well, and seem to recognize I or my husband when we turn the light on and feed, but Lately Posi (for short) has been acting stressed, if I turn on the light and there are more than 2 people in the room his colors fade to grey and he hides in the corner. Same reaction when my Mastiff is in the room. Can they recognize people? Or is it just the flare of the light setting him off? If I walk by the tank he aqua stalks me acting like he is starving. They have a varied diet, chichlid balls, flakes, bloodworms, shredded lettuce, and beef heart. He is not starving. It is funny. Any advice on Oscars and the personalities, and why he fades to grey? I think it's stress? P.S. Posi was 3 inches when I got him so he has grown 2 inches in 2 months, I do regular water changes (25% one week, almost 50 the next week) and test the p.h. Seems happy other than the abrupt color changes and hiding in the corner of the tank.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..

The 40G tank will also need to be upgraded or you will have to perform twice weekly tank maintenance as the fish grow. A 55G 4' long tank is the minimum size tank that I recommend for two fancy goldfish. Part of your fishes problems right now is because they have been kept in an undersized tank as poor water quality will often lead to internal bacterial issues that then lead to swim-bladder issues or digestive tract issues. Start off by feeding only green pea "meat" for a few days. Either fresh or frozen green peas (defrosted by dropping in a bowl of tank water for a minute), then pinch the skin of the pea to release the two pieces of "meat" into the tank. I buy the 1 lb. bag of frozen green peas for 99 cents and that lasts me.. or rather my goldfish.. about a year. The goldfish love them (as well as most other fish) and it's a natural laxative and will clean them out and hopefully fix any digestive tract issues, gas issues, etc., that might be causing your current floaty problem. Feed them as much as they can eat for a few minutes. Don't be surprised by the green pea poop. Goldfish poop should always come out the color of their last meal since they have such a short digestive system and almost no stomach. It's why they are constantly hungry. I feed mine a few small meals a day rather than the one or two larger meals that you will often see. Since too much food simply comes out the other end, they don't really benefit from it. It's better to give them a little food that stays in their system long enough for them to get the nutrition benefits from the food. If this doesn't work, then the steps in the following article will likely be necessary until a proper diagnosis can be determine as to the cause. This long article discusses in length, swim-bladder and floaty issues with goldfish. The upside down floating is often due to diet but can be something worse. http://thegab.org/Articles/Buoyancy.html What kind of food have they been fed? Feeding fancy goldfish the cheap flake foods or pellets (mostly trashy fillers as their primary ingredients) that are often used will lead to digestive issues. The last time I looked, I didn't see much wheat and flour growing in goldfish ponds. Do a search in the messages section for - goldfish food - and you'll see previous posts and threads where I've outlined the ingredients of some of the popular flake foods compared to the much better goldfish foods that are available. They also need a varied diet which should include the green pea "meat" as one of their meals at least once a week to keep them "regular". PetsMart carries at least one decent goldfish food brand... Omega One, and the ingredients list in Omega One (and other premium brands) is far superior to any of the other well known cheaper brands like Tetra, Hikari, Nutrafin, etc., that have the most shelf space in so many pet stores. Besides the green pea "meat", I also feed my goldfish frozen/defrosted zucchini slices and mixed veggies (although the carrot pieces need to be blanched (nuked for a little bit), not just defrosted, or the goldfish do not seem to like them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fancy goldfish.. never thought I would have gold fish.. my children came over and surprised me with two goldfish.. I call them regis and kelley.. kelley keeps swimming very slowly..unsidedown.. they both are very large...4 inches without their gorgeous tails.. I have gotten them a 40 gallon tank.. they are in a paltry 15 gallon, right now.. is there a way to help this poor fish.. caroline in nevada

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35523	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

AMEN! Glad to see the Rev. hasn't been drinking anti-MS Kool-Aid. ;-) Rev., Have you seen/used the Toggle Flash add-on? I've been using it for about a week now and it's a blessing. IE hasn't frozen up on me even once since I've been using it.. except for the time I forgot to turn Flash back off after YouTubing a little and went back to power surfing. I've now learned to look for the little cog and circle/slash sign at the bottom bar on IE to make sure Flash is turned off. Folks would be surprised to see just how many sites have flash ads, or actual components of the webpage, that slow down their surfing and use up system resources. Now, when I go to a site that needs to have Flash enabled, like YouTube, a simple click of the Toggle Flash button, refresh the page and voila... all is good again. Just remember to turn it off again with another click of the Toggle Flash button and you're ready to power-surf again. I'm not ready to say that on the 8th day, God invented Toggle Flash.. but I'm close. ;-) Uh oh.. I hope I haven't drank the Toggle Flash Kool-Aid. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rev. Eric Roberts Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? Firefox has just as many issues, so no, that is not a solution. As a web developer, I use both. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Chrome was pretty blah and lack, well, features... If you like Firefox, use it. If you like IE...use it. neither one is better than the other. Most corporate environments use IE as their standard. You also my be accessing a site that was designed for an older version of IE. IE has a broken page icon on it...click on that and it will put it in compatibility mode (the latest version is a bit more strict on it's rendering of html) and that should fix most problems not related to third party products. There are many sites on the net that don;t work well with Firefox. The flash issue is not an IE issue...it's a flash issue. I have experienced this same issue in both browsers. Flash can be a hog, especially when it is misused, as it often is. I have seen otherwise simple sites bomb out because of the way flash was used on the site to replace form fields and items like that. Javascript is one of the main culprits of browser issues because none of the browsers stick to the standards and that makes Javascript programing pure hell. I am all for just having a single browser. The folks that think otherwise are not old enough to remember the DOS days and how much of a pain it was to deal with a gazillion different versions of DOS...none of which was compatible with the other. Eric David Keymel wrote: > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the > only sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work > applications that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different > things such as MSDN. no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for > problems. You could also try googles browser chrome > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems > that were > > chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > computer help > > forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet Explorer freeze up > > issues that have been causing problems for many surfers. I've even been > > having them the past month since I updated to Flash 10 which is why > I have > > been doing my own research on the issue. > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by > Adobe Flash > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to do, > > from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed me to > > something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE add-on > called > > Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com <http://flash.melameth.com> > which turns off Adobe Flash in IE > > when you are doing surfing and then if you come across a site that > > absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on (YouTube for example), > you just > > click the Toggle Flash button, hit the refresh button and that page will > > work fine. After you are done with your YouTubing, click the Toggle > Flash > > button again and the Flash add-on is turned back off in IE so you're > good to > > go with your surfing. > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com> > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simpl e> > > -and.html > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > resources > > and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many websites, > > including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of reading > on Yahoo > > pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35524	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..

Caroline, I should have mentioned in my previous post... if you are new to fish keeping in general, you will need a master test kit (veteran fish keepers should have them too) so you can start testing your water, daily in a new tank, for ammonia and nitrite and be prepared to do daily PWC's to keep these chemicals at low enough levels (usually below 1.0ppm) during the next couple of months while your tank cycles. If the goldfish lived in the 15G for a while and you used the filter system and gravel from it, that will help or possibly even have your tank fully cycled but only testing will know for sure. Once the tank is through the cycling process, then you can drop down to weekly testing until your fish reach full size and then you will have an established maintenance schedule to keep the water quality in good condition. I would get the master test kit before the MelaFix... if money is an issue (isn't it always... why can't Bill Gates adopt me? lol). While Melafix certainly won't hurt and if it's a mild internal bacterial issue, it could help, Melafix is not the best cure for swim-bladder issues or digestive issues that usually cause floaty problems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fancy goldfish.. on my way to pets smart.... for the melafix.. and changing.. partial water changing.. too.. thank you so much.. caroline At 10:19 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >If you had just gotten them recently and the one is swimming upside >down, I would quarantine the sick one in a hospital tank with some >Melafix until you are able to get a clearer picture as to what is going >on. I am on the fence with using aquarium salt in a hopsital tank >because I heard goldfish dont mix well with salt. Melafix tends to calm >them down too. >I am a still a beginner and have difficulty with fish diseases and I do >this with my fish until I can get the exact answer I need here(believe >me there is ALOT of knowledge in this group!!!) > >Check your ammonia levels too, as 15 gallons is way to small for them. >40 gallon with a water turn over of 200 gph would be the absolute >minimum I would keep them in. > >Tom > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, >caroline <waves02@...> wrote: > > > > never thought I would have gold fish.. my children came over and > > surprised me with two goldfish.. I call them regis and kelley.. > > kelley keeps swimming very slowly..unsidedown.. they both are very > > large...4 inches without their gorgeous tails.. I have gotten them a > > 40 gallon tank.. they are in a paltry 15 gallon, right now.. is > > there a way to help this poor fish.. caroline in nevada > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35525	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

My API Master Test Kit has a formed plastic base with holding spots for 4 tubes and 7 bottles. It looks like it will last a long time as long as I don't drop it or put something heavy on top of it when the cover is on. I've toyed with the idea of getting etching solution to make the 5 ml markings permanent on the tubes. It's looking, however, as though the markings will last just long enough for me to need refills or the testing reagents, which do come with an extra tube. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant and should last more than one lifetime. The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to cut costs. The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes when it's in front of the color card. You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual evacuation. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...

I haven't had an Oscar for years now, but I do notice that my Severum (also a New world cichlid) is very touchy. When I feed him if I move my hand too fast over the top of the tank he scoots away a bit and waits to see if it's safe. He watches me very closely too as I walk by his tank and is always acting hungry as well (common in fish though, LOL), I think they are just more observant than other kinds of fish and he's obviously reacting to something in the room. Is the tank dark when you turn on the room light? Do you have driftwood or anything in the tank that he could hide behind to make himself feel more secure? I'm still trying to get my severum to hand feed from me, but I think he's still just a little too shy for it, and I've had him for 3 months, LOL. Or maybe I'm not feeding him anything that he really wants to eat from my hand ;) If I stick my hand in the tank with my danio's all of them think that my hand is food, good thing my Severum notices a difference in fingers to food ;) LOL. I haven't noticed if any of my pets scare my Severum, but none of my pets can really get up to the tank (it's 125 gallon tank and they would have to climb the couch and hang off the side of the couch against the tank to possibly bother any of the fish, and the tank is over a foot away from the couch, my jack russell wouldn't stand a chance getting to the tank with his short little legs, LOL). I do notice that my cats like to watch the fish of course, by they don't get close to the tank, just sit on the back of the couch and watch. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Yes, They MOST CERTAINLY recognize people -- especially their owners > (feeders). This is more notable with the New World Cichlids, > although the small Cichlid species should not be excluded, nor should > Cichlids of the other continents. For that matter, this behavior > will be seen in many other species as well. Your Oscar may well be > stressed from the appearance of unfamiliar people and dogs -- any > other different stimuli affecting its environment. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Elizabeth" <jayzlady2007@...> > wrote: > > > > I feel like all I ever do is ask questions! So here is my Oscar > story > > and my questions... > > I just got back into aquariums as a hobby 2 months ago, and of > course > > my first fish had to be an Oscar. I had some as a teen, and liked > > their personalities. > > I currently have a 5 inch Tiger Oscar in a 55 gallon tank with a 4 > > inch Jack Dempsey. Originally I had two tigers, but one died within > a > > week of me getting it, so I got the Jack. > > Poseidon (the oscar) and Jack the pumpkin king (the jack) get along > > well, and seem to recognize I or my husband when we turn the light > on > > and feed, but Lately Posi (for short) has been acting stressed, if I > > turn on the light and there are more than 2 people in the room his > > colors fade to grey and he hides in the corner. Same reaction when > my > > Mastiff is in the room. > > Can they recognize people? Or is it just the flare of the light > > setting him off? If I walk by the tank he aqua stalks me acting like > > he is starving. They have a varied diet, chichlid balls, flakes, > > bloodworms, shredded lettuce, and beef heart. He is not starving. It > > is funny. Any advice on Oscars and the personalities, and why he > fades > > to grey? I think it's stress? > > P.S. Posi was 3 inches when I got him so he has grown 2 inches in 2 > > months, I do regular water changes (25% one week, almost 50 the next > > week) and test the p.h. Seems happy other than the abrupt color > > changes and hiding in the corner of the tank. > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Well i admit that I've been out of highschool for a little over 10 years myself, but I remember they let us use the bunsen burners when I was in High school. I don't think we never had any exciting evacuations though ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are > round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own > (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding > them.. > lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I > still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable > and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap > wood (1" > x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" > holes > 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water > resistant > and should last more than one lifetime. > > The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular > plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a > slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml > increments up > to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test > tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've > compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I > want > to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more > accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm > performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have > broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a > recent > replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and > not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could > have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it > individually > stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing > inventory to > cut costs. > > The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something > that > has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or > more would change the color when looking through it for comparative > purposes > when it's in front of the color card. > > You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and > biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test > tubes > and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same > 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also > sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out > of high > school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not > fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in > school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen > burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember > creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an > actual > evacuation. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im > clumsy. > I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last > tube! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35528	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Good to know they've improved the tube holder. I haven't had the need for a new Master Test Kit, only the annual replacement kits, so I haven't paid much attention to their new set up. I did notice in online pictures that they come in a clear plastic domed package now, rather than the boxy type package that I got about 5 years ago. Are the test tubes in the new kits plastic or still glass? I've never had a problem with the white line wearing off. Maybe you scrub them too much. I simply rinse mine well after testing, hold the bases and sling them a few times to remove excess water and let them air dry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? My API Master Test Kit has a formed plastic base with holding spots for 4 tubes and 7 bottles. It looks like it will last a long time as long as I don't drop it or put something heavy on top of it when the cover is on. I've toyed with the idea of getting etching solution to make the 5 ml markings permanent on the tubes. It's looking, however, as though the markings will last just long enough for me to need refills or the testing reagents, which do come with an extra tube. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant and should last more than one lifetime. The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to cut costs. The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes when it's in front of the color card. You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual evacuation. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35529	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: CUCUMBER FEEDING

I must make a comment on the cucumber feeding. To call it a success was mild. The night I put half a 6 inch cuke in the tank, I secured it with a wine corker ( the dang thing insisted on floating). Anyway, I work nights and,lo and behold, I had to stay over for Overtime the next morning. So I worked 10.5 hours that night plus my commute time it was roughly 13 hours total. When I got home the last thing on my mind was removing that thing from the tank, I crashed, then woke up with barely enough time to get ready to work again. So basically that was in the tank 48 hours. When I got back the following day...what was left of the skin was so thin it was translucent. And it didn't mess up the water either. Guess I have a new "weekend feeder" for Mr. Pleco. Yes, don't panic, I did a PWC. Next question, will plecos eat raw carrots? I know he eats then nuked. Going grocery shopping for the "kids" and I might try new things. ( Besides the goldfish in the pond and the pleco in the tank I have 4 roudy feathered kids that like freshly cooked veggies). Enid **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING

I haven't seen much on pleco's eating carrots. Maybe that's why they can't see very well. ;-) (I know the carrots-eye sight thing is only a myth... but then there's always that argument where we've never seen a rabbit with glasses. lol) I did just glance at the Pleco Feeding Article on plecofanatics.com http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11018 and didn't see mention of it there either. I guess you could try it and see. They do like bulky fibrous foods. Do you have a piece of driftwood in the tank yet? They really love driftwood. Someone actually invented a veggie-screw thing for weighing down things like cukes for feeding plecos. Just make sure, if you are going to use your cork puller again, that you sand or file off the pointy edge so it doesn't injure your pleco. I still use the live plant weight strips that have come with my previous live plant purchases at PetsMart or my LFS. You can also get them for free from these stores who usually have many laying around. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] CUCUMBER FEEDING I must make a comment on the cucumber feeding. To call it a success was mild. The night I put half a 6 inch cuke in the tank, I secured it with a wine corker ( the dang thing insisted on floating). Anyway, I work nights and,lo and behold, I had to stay over for Overtime the next morning. So I worked 10.5 hours that night plus my commute time it was roughly 13 hours total. When I got home the last thing on my mind was removing that thing from the tank, I crashed, then woke up with barely enough time to get ready to work again. So basically that was in the tank 48 hours. When I got back the following day...what was left of the skin was so thin it was translucent. And it didn't mess up the water either. Guess I have a new "weekend feeder" for Mr. Pleco. Yes, don't panic, I did a PWC. Next question, will plecos eat raw carrots? I know he eats then nuked. Going grocery shopping for the "kids" and I might try new things. ( Besides the goldfish in the pond and the pleco in the tank I have 4 roudy feathered kids that like freshly cooked veggies). Enid **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35531	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: OT: Bunsen Burners and Other Science Fun in High School (was: Altern

It was 1970, my freshman year of HS, but I still remember the time my science partner filled the Bunsen burner, neglected to clean the alcohol off the outside, and handed it to me to light. I had the burner in my hand when I lit it and the the whole thing caught fire. I jumped and dropped the thing on the desk, where it spilled a lot of its contents and WHOOSH! We didn't have to evacuate, but years later I had a good chuckle when my niece attended the same school and mentioned one table in the science lab that was all wrinkled at one end. Then there was the time that my big sister was given the honor of taking members of the school board on a tour of the school. Those were the first days of girls wearing pants to school, but Doreen dressed really nice that day. While in the chemistry lab, she was asked about a chain, hanging near the teachers table, with a handle on the end. Not knowing what it was for, she asked the kids in the class and was told it was for turning on a fan. So she pulled it. It was the emergency shower for chemical spills. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > Well i admit that I've been out of highschool for a little over 10 years > myself, but I remember they let us use the bunsen burners when I was in > High school. I don't think we never had any exciting evacuations though ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> <clip> >> You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and >> biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test >> tubes and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the >> same >> 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also >> sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out >> of high school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones >> would not >> fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in >> school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen >> burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember >> creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an >> actual evacuation. LOL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35532	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING

This is great! I am just imagining the mess and fun while he was eating the the cuke. (seedless?) I wonder whether goldfish like cukes--- or even carrots? They sure love their greens! Thanks for sharing this. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Gwydryn@... <Gwydryn@...> wrote: I must make a comment on the cucumber feeding. To call it a success was mild. The night I put half a 6 inch cuke in the tank, I secured it with a wine corker ( the dang thing insisted on floating). Anyway, I work nights and,lo and behold, I had to stay over for Overtime the next morning. So I worked 10.5 hours that night plus my commute time it was roughly 13 hours total. When I got home the last thing on my mind was removing that thing from the tank, I crashed, then woke up with barely enough time to get ready to work again. So basically that was in the tank 48 hours. When I got back the following day...what was left of the skin was so thin it was translucent. And it didn't mess up the water either. Guess I have a new "weekend feeder" for Mr. Pleco. Yes, don't panic, I did a PWC. Next question, will plecos eat raw carrots? I know he eats then nuked. Going grocery shopping for the "kids" and I might try new things. ( Besides the goldfish in the pond and the pleco in the tank I have 4 roudy feathered kids that like freshly cooked veggies). Enid ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35533	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

The tubes are still glass. I think the water I rinse them with is too hot for the markings. I've been more careful about that lately, and don't wipe so hard, and the markings aren't fading away quit so fast. I don't have a lot of room to let them air dry, so I wipe, but I try to be more gentle, esp on the outsides. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Good to know they've improved the tube holder. I haven't had the need for a new Master Test Kit, only the annual replacement kits, so I haven't paid much attention to their new set up. I did notice in online pictures that they come in a clear plastic domed package now, rather than the boxy type package that I got about 5 years ago. Are the test tubes in the new kits plastic or still glass? I've never had a problem with the white line wearing off. Maybe you scrub them too much. I simply rinse mine well after testing, hold the bases and sling them a few times to remove excess water and let them air dry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35534	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: CUCUMBER FEEDING

In a message dated 1/10/2009 3:34:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, pennafd@... writes: This is great! I am just imagining the mess and fun while he was eating the the cuke. (seedless?) No it was a regular seeded one, in fact, he made a trench from the get go, he ate all the seeds first, then got on the "meat" of the cuke. That is the way he eats yellow squash too; seeds first, then the rest of it. This is the first time I give him raw foods, thou. I will do this more often. Enid **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35535	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > write or phone the company to see if the make plastic tubes :) > and if yes can they mail say 50 or so to you LOL > > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35536	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

That's my thought, too - that they might leach into the plastic and affect the results of the next test. I'm just too lazy to research the info, so I stick with the glass. lol DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35537	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

i just had an idea/ if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty blood tubes!! --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:41 PM That's my thought, too - that they might leach into the plastic and affect the results of the next test. I'm just too lazy to research the info, so I stick with the glass. lol DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@ yahoo.com> So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35538	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:49 PM i just had an idea/ if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty blood tubes!! --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:41 PM That's my thought, too - that they might leach into the plastic and affect the results of the next test. I'm just too lazy to research the info, so I stick with the glass. lol DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@ yahoo.com> So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35539	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Not that I've had more than a few hundred of those in my life... ooops.. I meant one or two.. lol ... and was possibly under the influence of other adult beverages prior to doing the shots.. lol.. but I think those test tubes are a larger diameter than the 1/2" needed for the API test kits. I sure hope I was getting more than a few 5 or 10 ml's of the shot du jour for my dollar, after all, an ounce only contains around 30ml so it would be a pretty thin and long test tube to make it even an ounce. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > write or phone the company to see if the make plastic tubes :) and if > yes can they mail say 50 or so to you LOL > > Darlene >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35540	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish..

People like this is the reason why im on this group... Thanks Lenny :) Also like I said I use melafix when I know something is wrong and have dont have any idea why. For me it seems to calm the fish down. Plus the odor relaxes this panicky parent too LOL Tom > > Caroline, > > I should have mentioned in my previous post... if you are new to fish > keeping in general, you will need a master test kit (veteran fish keepers > should have them too) so you can start testing your water, daily in a new > tank, for ammonia and nitrite and be prepared to do daily PWC's to keep > these chemicals at low enough levels (usually below 1.0ppm) during the next > couple of months while your tank cycles. If the goldfish lived in the 15G > for a while and you used the filter system and gravel from it, that will > help or possibly even have your tank fully cycled but only testing will know > for sure. Once the tank is through the cycling process, then you can drop > down to weekly testing until your fish reach full size and then you will > have an established maintenance schedule to keep the water quality in good > condition. > > I would get the master test kit before the MelaFix... if money is an issue > (isn't it always... why can't Bill Gates adopt me? lol). While Melafix > certainly won't hurt and if it's a mild internal bacterial issue, it could > help, Melafix is not the best cure for swim-bladder issues or digestive > issues that usually cause floaty problems. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35541	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

> Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im > clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to > my last tube! > http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/L-testTubeX/1011 Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35542	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/L-testTubeX/1011 > > Dana Rasmussen > Seattle >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35543	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Questions for Oscar lovers and owners...

The larger New World Cichlids are one of the groups of fish being more aware (or, more "observant, as you put it) of their environment. This Family of more advanced fish is more reactive as a whole, to external stimuli. One of the most important senses these fish use is sight. Besides having driftwood, etc., in the tank to aid in a more secure state of being, the lighting can have a very definite and direct influence on this security. Besides the need to avoid sudden changes of dark to light and vise-vera, it can sometimes be "unnerving" to the fish if the overhead lighting (aquarium hood) is too intense -- causing the fish to feel more exposed with no place to retreat to that offers any difference. Many such fish feel more secure if the lighting intensity is much more subdued. Besides reducing the light intensity, it can help if the aquarium lighting source is removed from the position immediately on top of the tank to a more elevated position. A plainer transparent (glass or lucite) cover then needs to be used. Often, a partial cover of floating plants (water Sprite, etc.) will add to this sense of more security. As stated a number of times before, its always a good idea to use a small night light. Besides the obvious reason for this, preventing the fish from being startled and allowing it to at least faintly see in dim light if need be, it prevents the sudden transition from dark to light (or light to sudden dark), when switching the room light and/or aquarium light off or on. Too frequent of plunging the fish into darkness or exposure to sudden bright lighting will promote a learned reaction of perpetually being in a state of unease, removing any possibility of fish ever becoming fully comfortable enough to eat from the hand -- having it remaining shyer than would be normal for the species. Too, the sudden movements of the aquarists actions under more intense lighting conditions will add to this conditioning. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I haven't had an Oscar for years now, but I do notice that my Severum > (also a New world cichlid) is very touchy. When I feed him if I move my > hand too fast over the top of the tank he scoots away a bit and waits to > see if it's safe. He watches me very closely too as I walk by his tank > and is always acting hungry as well (common in fish though, LOL), I > think they are just more observant than other kinds of fish and he's > obviously reacting to something in the room. > Is the tank dark when you turn on the room light? > Do you have driftwood or anything in the tank that he could hide behind > to make himself feel more secure? > I'm still trying to get my severum to hand feed from me, but I think > he's still just a little too shy for it, and I've had him for 3 months, > LOL. Or maybe I'm not feeding him anything that he really wants to eat > from my hand ;) > If I stick my hand in the tank with my danio's all of them think that my > hand is food, good thing my Severum notices a difference in fingers to > food ;) LOL. > I haven't noticed if any of my pets scare my Severum, but none of my > pets can really get up to the tank (it's 125 gallon tank and they would > have to climb the couch and hang off the side of the couch against the > tank to possibly bother any of the fish, and the tank is over a foot > away from the couch, my jack russell wouldn't stand a chance getting to > the tank with his short little legs, LOL). I do notice that my cats like > to watch the fish of course, by they don't get close to the tank, just > sit on the back of the couch and watch. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, They MOST CERTAINLY recognize people -- especially their owners > > (feeders). This is more notable with the New World Cichlids, > > although the small Cichlid species should not be excluded, nor should > > Cichlids of the other continents. For that matter, this behavior > > will be seen in many other species as well. Your Oscar may well be > > stressed from the appearance of unfamiliar people and dogs -- any > > other different stimuli affecting its environment. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Elizabeth" <jayzlady2007@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I feel like all I ever do is ask questions! So here is my Oscar > > story > > > and my questions... > > > I just got back into aquariums as a hobby 2 months ago, and of > > course > > > my first fish had to be an Oscar. I had some as a teen, and liked > > > their personalities. > > > I currently have a 5 inch Tiger Oscar in a 55 gallon tank with a 4 > > > inch Jack Dempsey. Originally I had two tigers, but one died within > > a > > > week of me getting it, so I got the Jack. > > > Poseidon (the oscar) and Jack the pumpkin king (the jack) get along > > > well, and seem to recognize I or my husband when we turn the light > > on > > > and feed, but Lately Posi (for short) has been acting stressed, if I > > > turn on the light and there are more than 2 people in the room his > > > colors fade to grey and he hides in the corner. Same reaction when > > my > > > Mastiff is in the room. > > > Can they recognize people? Or is it just the flare of the light > > > setting him off? If I walk by the tank he aqua stalks me acting like > > > he is starving. They have a varied diet, chichlid balls, flakes, > > > bloodworms, shredded lettuce, and beef heart. He is not starving. It > > > is funny. Any advice on Oscars and the personalities, and why he > > fades > > > to grey? I think it's stress? > > > P.S. Posi was 3 inches when I got him so he has grown 2 inches in 2 > > > months, I do regular water changes (25% one week, almost 50 the next > > > week) and test the p.h. Seems happy other than the abrupt color > > > changes and hiding in the corner of the tank. > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35544	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty tough stuff and it's very clear. This chart http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/polypropylene-pp-chemical-resistance-d_435 .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It does poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most other plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits though.. just don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test kit brands have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's chemicals. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/L-testTubeX/1011 > > Dana Rasmussen > Seattle > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35545	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Less breakable? Hah, hah, hah! So that's the issue! I answered this on one list or other; it's appeared on more than one list. Btu I answered a reply to it. So I didn't know exactly what you were looking for. Sure, I believe that if you look in the home science supply outfits online, you will find plastic or wahtever test tubes and tehy'd work perfectly. You can use any measuring device, also available through the home science supply places, to measure out your one or five ml, which ever it is. You don't have to use a certain size and shape of tube. Test tubes even come in that small if you look around far enough. (I had to look long and hard for a rack to fit the small tubes.) I thought you just watned to know how to get more API test tubes; they're sold as I think Dr. Wellfish, and they aren't dreadfully expensive. I just buy more of them. I think some of us will stop breaking them when we grow a left thumb AND a right thumb. LOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35546	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Testing on a large flat surface is a basic number one rule for someone with Menieres Disease (like me) of handling anything - but it unfortuantely isn't the only way they get broken. I've always just capped the tubes with my finger. The chemicals used aren't all that caustic, particularly not once mixed in the water, and if tehy sting all you have to do is wipe or rinse off. Only some of the chemicals full strength sting. They aren't sulfuric acid! I put them in the test tube rack while testing, and store them in a basket with the other testing supplies. I don't recall where I found the rack, but I did have to search and I did get the wrong size once or twice. The tubes are very small, and you need a rack for very small tubes. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > I take about 1/2 a cup of water from the tank and do all my testing on > the kitchen counter. I cut myself a piece of plastic drop cloth to > protect > the counter top from the harsher chemicals in the API test kit. I also > wear > plastic gloves and grip the test tubes pretty firmly when I'm shaking > them. > > I wish those little plastic caps wouldn't leak after the first few > uses. I finally threw them out and close the tops with my thumb or a > finger > (wearing plastic gloves, of course). > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:08 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im > clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to > my last tube! > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35547	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

You can always order small test tubes from another company. You can use any measuring device to measure out your 1 or 5 ml of water. I just find the API test tubes easier to work with. If you need more of them, they're sold as I think Dr. Wellfish. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish Souza" <trish701922@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Fw: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:49 PM i just had an idea/ if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty blood tubes!! --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:41 PM That's my thought, too - that they might leach into the plastic and affect the results of the next test. I'm just too lazy to research the info, so I stick with the glass. lol DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@ yahoo.com> So far I made 2 inquiries to API without any success :( I know that companies make clear plastic test tubes for alcohol to be used as shot glasses. I was wondering if the test chemicals would cloud the test tubes or make the test go wacky. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35548	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

No you are correct with my search for an unbreakable?? test tube. I found a couple of places that sell 24 packs of glass API test tubes. I just dont want to drag out the shop vac everytime I drop one. I have 8 tanks running now so for convenience I do my testing in the basement with the tanks. Like I said I seen clear plastic tubes but wasnt sure if its compatible with the test chemicals. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Less breakable? Hah, hah, hah! So that's the issue! I answered this on > one list or other; it's appeared on more than one list. Btu I answered a > reply to it. So I didn't know exactly what you were looking for. > > Sure, I believe that if you look in the home science supply outfits online, > you will find plastic or wahtever test tubes and tehy'd work perfectly. > You can use any measuring device, also available through the home science > supply places, to measure out your one or five ml, which ever it is. You > don't have to use a certain size and shape of tube. Test tubes even come > in that small if you look around far enough. (I had to look long and hard > for a rack to fit the small tubes.) > > I thought you just watned to know how to get more API test tubes; they're > sold as I think Dr. Wellfish, and they aren't dreadfully expensive. I just > buy more of them. > > I think some of us will stop breaking them when we grow a left thumb AND a > right thumb. LOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im > clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to > my last tube! > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35549	From: Darlene	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty blood tubes!! sample tubes for blood have anti coagulants in them so would not be good for this Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35550	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in them to prevent coagulation either --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty tough stuff and it's very clear. This chart http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- resistance- d_435 .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It does poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most other plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits though.. just don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test kit brands have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's chemicals. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > Dana Rasmussen > Seattle > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35551	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

I use IE. 6, no less. It does sometimes freeze up, usually because it's for some reason using more resources than the available RAM, which probably indicates some sort of error state. Recent upgrades, especially the service pack 3 for Widnows XP, make the problem much worse by using up alot of RAM. It could be true that you have programs open unecessarily - run control alt delete, check what you have running and close anything you don't need. If IE is using more than 50,000 whatevers of RAM that's your problem and you ened to close all the windows, do control alt delete and make sure it's closed, which it may not do, and then restart it. You CAN always use firefox, which isn't a bad browser, but I like IE. Another reason why IE hangs is if you dno't have your flash and direct x and all that installed and running. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? Lenny, Latest guesstimates of IE usage show less than 70% use IE. To all, Keep in mind that all browsers have security issues. All software ha security issues. It is just that plain and simple. Please note two things when reading the articles Lenny has posted links to. First, as above, Firefox is not immune to issues. It has them, as does everything. Firefox programmers, however, act with more rapidity than most, and with blinding speed compared to some, and the updates/patches are pushed out to users, rather than the users needing to use another program to get updates/patches. Second, many of the issues found thus far in Firefox have little chance of being exploited, and many are not even really exploitable without the complicit assent of the user. Practicing safe browsing is your best defense. Do not go to sires sent to you by persons unknown to you. Be wary of sites friends send to you. Keep your machine patched with the latest patch releases. Ensure that your security program(s) have the latest updates. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I did not start this thread to get into a debate about IE vs. FF vs. Safari > vs. Chrome vs. all the other browsers... but somehow I knew an FF user would > be first to jump in since most of the FF users really like that FF > Kool-Aid.. btw... what's your favorite flavor? <G> > > I mainly offered this OT post here since this is a Yahoo Group and Yahoo > Group web pages have lots of Flash ads and Adobe Flash 9 & 10 IE add-ons are > causing many people to have IE freeze up problems so I wanted to offer a > simple and free solution for folks while surfing through their Yahoo > Groups... with the most popular and commonly used browser, Internet > Explorer. > > David, please do not be lulled into a false sense of security with Firefox > and do not promote it without also warning people that it will not fix their > computer security issues if they do not also have basic computer security > protocols in place.. but then, if they had them, IE wouldn't be a security > problem. It's comparable to putting burglar bars on your windows (no pun > intended) while leaving your doors wide open... not a whole lot of security > in that set up. Read further down for a few articles elaborating on these > known FF issues and why basic computer security is needed regardless of > which browser you choose to use. A few years from now, you may be the first > reply in a forum thread about FF, saying how you solved all your FF problems > by switching to Chrome. A few years after that... whatever the browser du > jour happens to be. > > While you, personally, may have solved your IE problems (I don't even know > what yours were and they likely could have been solved with a few IE options > adjustments... the same kind that FF users have to do), you probably did not > solve your computer security issues by just installing FF. As FF becomes > more popular, the hackers will start spending more time attacking it's users > so please keep your firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware security in place, > updated and running. > > Right now, IE is used by more than 70% of internet users and Firefox by only > 20%, so the hackers spend most of their warped-mindset and resources going > after IE but Firefox has many, many, many security issues with their > browser. People who do not practice basic computer security and think that > by switching to FF, it will solve their problems, instead of fixing the root > problem (the user) will only find themselves even further infected. > > I often have to help friends whose computers are infested and they don't > understand why since they were using Firefox and someone told them it was > safe. While it might be a little safer (right now), mainly because hackers > aren't wasting as much of their time attacking it, it is not completely > safe... and as more users start using it, hackers will begin to spend even > more and more of their time hacking Firefox. > > Technically, Firefox lovers would be better off if they would quit promoting > it so much. As it gains in market share, it becomes a much bigger target > for the criminals/hackers out there. I've used IE for years and years and > have never seen the need to use an alternative browser... mainly because I > do practice good computer security. I rarely find more than a tracking > cookie in any of my security scans. I have looked at other browsers over > the years but I just don't see where they are any better than IE as far as > surfing goes. Of course, FF is able to lead off with some newer features > quicker than IE because, in the past, they had such a small user base so > their Beta testing was a much quicker process compared to new features in IE > that have to be tested to make sure they are compatible with the multitudes > of computers that use IE. As the FF user base grows, their Beta tests for > new features will become longer and more time consuming for Mozilla. > > Here's a PCMag.com article... "Firefox 3.0.1 Fixes Security Issues" 7/18/08 > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp > (START SNIP) > The Mozilla Foundation on Friday released an update to the company's > heralded new web browser, version 3.0.1, with fixes for security, stability, > a printing issue, and problems involving running Firefox 2 simultaneously. > > The most critical security fixes address a problem whereby an attacker could > run code and install software, while requiring no user interaction beyond > normal browsing. Other problems included the malware database not updating > on first launch, and the SSL certificate exception list not being properly > saved. > > The update also dealt with crashes using malformed GIF files on Mac OS X, > command-line URLs that launch multiple tabs when Firefox is not running, and > remote code execution by overflowing the CSS reference counter. > (END SNIP) > > Mozilla even publishes their own list as the issues become known. > http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ > > Here are the FIVE security updates they had to do just in the past two > months... November and December, 2008... > http://www.mozilla.org/security/ > (START SNIP) > Security Update (December 30, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (December 18, 2008): The Windows version of Firefox 2.0.0.19 > was missing the fix for MFSA 2008-65. We have re-released this as Firefox > 2.0.0.20 which now correctly contains the fix. > > Firefox 2.0.0.20 release notes > Security Update (December 16, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.5 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (November 19, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 release notes > Security Update (November 12, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.4 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.18 release notes > (END SNIP) > > Same warnings above goes for Mac's OS and Safari browser users. Here's a > snip from an article that basically says the same thing as me about market > share being a big factor in security. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606 > (START SNIP) > . Lower profile target. One of the main reasons I'm more willing to trust my > data security to my OS X (Mac) system is that they have a smaller market > share than Windows does. This sounds peculiar to many people who aren't > familiar with security, but in the dangerous world that is the Internet, > keeping a low profile can be an important aspect of staying secure. > > The reason for this, quite simply, is that our attackers, by and large, > write their attack code to market share, for all the same reasons that > legitimate software developers most often deliver their Windows products > before their Mac or Linux ones. > > Now, I'm fully aware that Firefox continues to make strides in this area and > is constantly gaining market share, so this argument may well eventually > fail. I'm confident, though, that by then I'll have other, lower profile > choices available. > > For now, finding a balance between unpopular and popular enough to be widely > supported on the web sites I frequent is very much a security consideration. > Today, that nod goes to Firefox for my needs. It's very rare that I can't > use Firefox on sites that I care about. > (END SNIP) > > BTW... Mac's also suffer from many security issues and Windows Vista > Ultimate actually beat the Mac's OSX in a well known hacker contest in the > middle of 2008. Linux was the most secure OS of the three... that market > share thing popping up again. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the only > sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work applications > that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as MSDN. > no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could also try > googles browser chrome > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that > > were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > > computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet > > Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many > > surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated to > > Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the issue. > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe > > Flash > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to > > do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed > > me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE > > add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off > > Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come > > across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on > > (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit the > > refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with > > your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash > > add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your surfing. > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-si mple > -and.html > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > > resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many > > websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of > > reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as > well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35552	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

PLastic tubes it is... Thanks Everyone! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty tough stuff and it's very > clear. This chart > http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/polypropylene-pp-chemical- resistance-d_435 > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It does > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most other > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits though.. just > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test kit brands > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's > chemicals. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/L-testTubeX/1011 > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > Seattle > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35553	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

The 10ml test is a more acurate test?? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are > round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own > (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. > lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I > still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable > and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" > x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes > 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant > and should last more than one lifetime. > > The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular > plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a > slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up > to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test > tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've > compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want > to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more > accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm > performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have > broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent > replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and > not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could > have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually > stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to > cut costs. > > The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that > has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or > more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes > when it's in front of the color card. > > You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and > biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes > and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same > 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also > sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high > school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not > fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in > school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen > burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember > creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual > evacuation. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. > I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35554	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

> And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > >>> >> http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/L-testTubeX/1011 >> >> Dana Rasmussen >> Seattle >> They are polypropylene, which is inert. I suspect they will discolor over time, but at $4.80/12 does that matter? Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35555	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up???

Dora, Go back and read my original post starting this thread and you can fix your IE freeze problem from the information there. The rest of your reply is not the main problem that is causing IE freezes. RAM is pretty cheap so there's not much reason to not add more RAM. 512MB can run many XP systems but 1Gig and up is better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? I use IE. 6, no less. It does sometimes freeze up, usually because it's for some reason using more resources than the available RAM, which probably indicates some sort of error state. Recent upgrades, especially the service pack 3 for Widnows XP, make the problem much worse by using up alot of RAM. It could be true that you have programs open unecessarily - run control alt delete, check what you have running and close anything you don't need. If IE is using more than 50,000 whatevers of RAM that's your problem and you ened to close all the windows, do control alt delete and make sure it's closed, which it may not do, and then restart it. You CAN always use firefox, which isn't a bad browser, but I like IE. Another reason why IE hangs is if you dno't have your flash and direct x and all that installed and running. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? Lenny, Latest guesstimates of IE usage show less than 70% use IE. To all, Keep in mind that all browsers have security issues. All software ha security issues. It is just that plain and simple. Please note two things when reading the articles Lenny has posted links to. First, as above, Firefox is not immune to issues. It has them, as does everything. Firefox programmers, however, act with more rapidity than most, and with blinding speed compared to some, and the updates/patches are pushed out to users, rather than the users needing to use another program to get updates/patches. Second, many of the issues found thus far in Firefox have little chance of being exploited, and many are not even really exploitable without the complicit assent of the user. Practicing safe browsing is your best defense. Do not go to sires sent to you by persons unknown to you. Be wary of sites friends send to you. Keep your machine patched with the latest patch releases. Ensure that your security program(s) have the latest updates. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I did not start this thread to get into a debate about IE vs. FF vs. Safari > vs. Chrome vs. all the other browsers... but somehow I knew an FF user would > be first to jump in since most of the FF users really like that FF > Kool-Aid.. btw... what's your favorite flavor? <G> > > I mainly offered this OT post here since this is a Yahoo Group and Yahoo > Group web pages have lots of Flash ads and Adobe Flash 9 & 10 IE add-ons are > causing many people to have IE freeze up problems so I wanted to offer a > simple and free solution for folks while surfing through their Yahoo > Groups... with the most popular and commonly used browser, Internet > Explorer. > > David, please do not be lulled into a false sense of security with Firefox > and do not promote it without also warning people that it will not fix their > computer security issues if they do not also have basic computer security > protocols in place.. but then, if they had them, IE wouldn't be a security > problem. It's comparable to putting burglar bars on your windows (no pun > intended) while leaving your doors wide open... not a whole lot of security > in that set up. Read further down for a few articles elaborating on these > known FF issues and why basic computer security is needed regardless of > which browser you choose to use. A few years from now, you may be the first > reply in a forum thread about FF, saying how you solved all your FF problems > by switching to Chrome. A few years after that... whatever the browser du > jour happens to be. > > While you, personally, may have solved your IE problems (I don't even know > what yours were and they likely could have been solved with a few IE options > adjustments... the same kind that FF users have to do), you probably did not > solve your computer security issues by just installing FF. As FF becomes > more popular, the hackers will start spending more time attacking it's users > so please keep your firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware security in place, > updated and running. > > Right now, IE is used by more than 70% of internet users and Firefox by only > 20%, so the hackers spend most of their warped-mindset and resources going > after IE but Firefox has many, many, many security issues with their > browser. People who do not practice basic computer security and think that > by switching to FF, it will solve their problems, instead of fixing the root > problem (the user) will only find themselves even further infected. > > I often have to help friends whose computers are infested and they don't > understand why since they were using Firefox and someone told them it was > safe. While it might be a little safer (right now), mainly because hackers > aren't wasting as much of their time attacking it, it is not completely > safe... and as more users start using it, hackers will begin to spend even > more and more of their time hacking Firefox. > > Technically, Firefox lovers would be better off if they would quit promoting > it so much. As it gains in market share, it becomes a much bigger target > for the criminals/hackers out there. I've used IE for years and years and > have never seen the need to use an alternative browser... mainly because I > do practice good computer security. I rarely find more than a tracking > cookie in any of my security scans. I have looked at other browsers over > the years but I just don't see where they are any better than IE as far as > surfing goes. Of course, FF is able to lead off with some newer features > quicker than IE because, in the past, they had such a small user base so > their Beta testing was a much quicker process compared to new features in IE > that have to be tested to make sure they are compatible with the multitudes > of computers that use IE. As the FF user base grows, their Beta tests for > new features will become longer and more time consuming for Mozilla. > > Here's a PCMag.com article... "Firefox 3.0.1 Fixes Security Issues" 7/18/08 > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325993,00.asp > (START SNIP) > The Mozilla Foundation on Friday released an update to the company's > heralded new web browser, version 3.0.1, with fixes for security, stability, > a printing issue, and problems involving running Firefox 2 simultaneously. > > The most critical security fixes address a problem whereby an attacker could > run code and install software, while requiring no user interaction beyond > normal browsing. Other problems included the malware database not updating > on first launch, and the SSL certificate exception list not being properly > saved. > > The update also dealt with crashes using malformed GIF files on Mac OS X, > command-line URLs that launch multiple tabs when Firefox is not running, and > remote code execution by overflowing the CSS reference counter. > (END SNIP) > > Mozilla even publishes their own list as the issues become known. > http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ > > Here are the FIVE security updates they had to do just in the past two > months... November and December, 2008... > http://www.mozilla.org/security/ > (START SNIP) > Security Update (December 30, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (December 18, 2008): The Windows version of Firefox 2.0.0.19 > was missing the fix for MFSA 2008-65. We have re-released this as Firefox > 2.0.0.20 which now correctly contains the fix. > > Firefox 2.0.0.20 release notes > Security Update (December 16, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.5 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.19 release notes > Security Update (November 19, 2008): A security update has been issued for > Thunderbird that fixes multiple security vulnerabilities. All users should > install this update as soon as possible. > > Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 release notes > Security Update (November 12, 2008): Security updates have been issued for > Firefox 2 and Firefox 3 that fix critical security vulnerabilities. All > users should install these updates as soon as possible. > > Firefox 3.0.4 release notes > Firefox 2.0.0.18 release notes > (END SNIP) > > Same warnings above goes for Mac's OS and Safari browser users. Here's a > snip from an article that basically says the same thing as me about market > share being a big factor in security. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3698606 > (START SNIP) > . Lower profile target. One of the main reasons I'm more willing to trust my > data security to my OS X (Mac) system is that they have a smaller market > share than Windows does. This sounds peculiar to many people who aren't > familiar with security, but in the dangerous world that is the Internet, > keeping a low profile can be an important aspect of staying secure. > > The reason for this, quite simply, is that our attackers, by and large, > write their attack code to market share, for all the same reasons that > legitimate software developers most often deliver their Windows products > before their Mac or Linux ones. > > Now, I'm fully aware that Firefox continues to make strides in this area and > is constantly gaining market share, so this argument may well eventually > fail. I'm confident, though, that by then I'll have other, lower profile > choices available. > > For now, finding a balance between unpopular and popular enough to be widely > supported on the web sites I frequent is very much a security consideration. > Today, that nod goes to Firefox for my needs. It's very rare that I can't > use Firefox on sites that I care about. > (END SNIP) > > BTW... Mac's also suffer from many security issues and Windows Vista > Ultimate actually beat the Mac's OSX in a well known hacker contest in the > middle of 2008. Linux was the most secure OS of the three... that market > share thing popping up again. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT - Computer problems - IE freezing up??? > > I solved all my IE problems about 3 years ago by using firefox. the only > sites you really need IE for these days are some specific work applications > that are web based and Microsofts Portals for different things such as MSDN. > no reason not to switch. IE is a back door for problems. You could also try > googles browser chrome > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > I know we recently had a couple of members with computer problems that > > were chatted about out here. While helping out a member in another > > computer help forum, I inadvertently led them to a fix for Internet > > Explorer freeze up issues that have been causing problems for many > > surfers. I've even been having them the past month since I updated to > > Flash 10 which is why I have been doing my own research on the issue. > > > > Many (probably most) of these IE freeze ups are being caused by Adobe > > Flash > > 9 and/or 10 so while explaining this and giving them more reading to > > do, from my own research, they actually posted back to me and directed > > me to something I had missed in my readings... a simple little IE > > add-on called Toggle Flash http://flash.melameth.com which turns off > > Adobe Flash in IE when you are doing surfing and then if you come > > across a site that absolutely has to have Adobe Flash turned on > > (YouTube for example), you just click the Toggle Flash button, hit the > > refresh button and that page will work fine. After you are done with > > your YouTubing, click the Toggle Flash button again and the Flash > > add-on is turned back off in IE so you're good to go with your surfing. > > > > More detailed info on my non-fish blog at > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com > > (it's currently the top blog) or > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-si mple > -and.html > > > > BTW.. this is a FREE and very simple add-on so it uses no system > > resources and it will stop all of the flash-y ads that show up on many > > websites, including Yahoo and Yahoo Groups pages... if you do lots of > > reading on Yahoo pages, so that makes for easier and faster surfing as > well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35556	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Well.. the reason a 10ml test is more accurate than a 5ml test is you are basing most of the 5ml tests on 3 - 8 drops of reagent and since drops are not always uniform, when only using 3 drops or 5 drops, if one or more of them come out much bigger or smaller, it could give you a slightly inaccurate reading. Using 10ml of water, you would then use 6 - 16 drops of reagent so there's more of a likelihood that the average of all of the drops will fall into the right size drop. You are also using a larger water sample so there's less of a chance of the sample being inconsistent... for example, say one of your fish decides to pee in the water just upstream from where you are drawing your sample... all of a sudden, your ammonia reading and pH might be off the charts. LOL That's just an exaggerated example but by taking a 100% larger sample, it would be more indicative of your overall water quality of the tank. I only do this once in a while to make as a quality control check on my 5ml tests that I usually do. I also try to squeeze my bottles barely hard enough to make the drop just teeter on the edge and then drip off. I think it's the Ammonia Test chemical number two (I'm drawing a blank right now and don't feel like checking.. lol) that is really a much thinner liquid compared to the others and if you squeeze it the same as the others, it comes dripping (almost pouring) out much faster. After a few months, once a tank has established a nice ecology, then all of your tests should come up zero, except for nitrates and pH. Also, since I'm down to only a couple of tanks (post-Katrina), and the chemical reagents should be replaced every year, I figure I'll do larger test samples to be assured of more accurate results since I'd be dumping any leftover chemicals anyhow if I didn't use them up. Now, for folks with new tanks or lots of tanks, where they are testing more frequently, they'll probably get good use without doubling the water samples. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? The 10ml test is a more acurate test?? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are > round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own > (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. > lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I > still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable > and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" > x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes > 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant > and should last more than one lifetime. > > The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular > plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a > slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up > to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test > tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've > compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want > to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more > accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm > performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have > broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent > replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and > not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could > have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually > stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to > cut costs. > > The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that > has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or > more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes > when it's in front of the color card. > > You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and > biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes > and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same > 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also > sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high > school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not > fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in > school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen > burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember > creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual > evacuation. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. > I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35557	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really wanted one. I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the sensitive category. Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a comparison. I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I do. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just right. http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at the bottom. I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I don't anticipate doing this any time soon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and still put into water and then it will start growing again? I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches rather than a lily type. Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. Deb P. (still new to the site) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Well, the instructions I read, which I re-typed in my earlier post just had them spritzing/spraying the plants with the HP for a moment, then rinsing, then the vinegar for a moment, then rinsing. I'm not sure if dipping them (completely submerging), even if for a moment would be more harmful or not. I know that the 3% HP is an oxidizing agent but it quickly becomes relatively inert when exposed to air or diluted in enough water, but dipping the plant, for even a moment in the HP might be too much oxidation. For example, when treating plants or tank objects for algae when they are still in aquariums with fish, etc., you can use a syringe and use up to 1 oz. of 3% HP per 10G without any adverse side effects from most plants or the fish but it does have an effect on the algae and even some plants where it was spot treated. It's mostly used for spot treatment of algae or certain types of stubborn algae. If you do decide to try and dip them, do it for as fast of a period of time as you can and then have a second bucket of fresh water ready to submerge and lightly swoosh the plant in, right after the dip in the HP, to make sure any HP residue is sufficiently diluted. Use a different bucket of fresh water for the vinegar. Keep track of where you place these more aggressively treated plants and be ready to remove them if they start to die off so they don't foul your water... or at least move them to another tank to see if they survive. Some plants will appear to be dying (crypt melt for example) but then come back in many cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really wanted one. I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the sensitive category. Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a comparison. I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I do. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just right. http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at the bottom. I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I don't anticipate doing this any time soon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and still put into water and then it will start growing again? I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches rather than a lily type. Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. Deb P. (still new to the site)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35559	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Not all blood collection tubes contain anticoagulant. The big red topped ones don't. But then if you have a nurse friend, you have to ask yourself if your friendship is worth asking them to risk their job if they're caught pilfering test tubes for you. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> --- if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty blood tubes!! --- sample tubes for blood have anti coagulants in them so would not be good for this Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35560	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Deb P., Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or raising the covering on the tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35561	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Alternative to API test tubes and Caps

Actually I found a company called Lake Charles Manufacturing. They have assorted test products including 1/2" x 4" polystyrene test tubes. Plus they have assorted caps so if you dont to deal with leaky API caps order the hollow top caps from them. They are 11 cents each and come in different colors. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Not all blood collection tubes contain anticoagulant. The big red > topped ones don't. But then if you have a nurse friend, you have to ask > yourself if your friendship is worth asking them to risk their job if > they're caught pilfering test tubes for you. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> > --- > > if you know any visiting nurses or phlebotomists you could use new empty > blood tubes!! > --- > sample tubes for blood have anti coagulants in them so would not be good for > this > > Darlene >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35562	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes and Caps

Just to make something clear the hollow top caps are for the plastic test tubes only

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35563	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my original post :) > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in them to prevent coagulation either > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty tough stuff and it's very > > clear. This chart > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- resistance- d_435 > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It does > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most other > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits though.. just > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test kit brands > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's > > chemicals. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > Seattle > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35564	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

I agree with Lenny about replacing your test fluids every year. However, be careful where you get them! Last year I purchased an API kit on sale and it was already too old. How do I know? It was not accurate. I knew what the results should be (I knew I should be experiencing ammonia in one of my tanks and the others were long since cycled it showed no ammonia or nitrites in any tanks) I tried the test against the kit I was replacing and then against another one once I figured out it was not accurate. I was NOT happy with the LPS that sold it to me. They tried to sell me something else out of date not long after that. I no longer purchase chemicals from that LPS. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 9:25 PM Well.. the reason a 10ml test is more accurate than a 5ml test is you are basing most of the 5ml tests on 3 - 8 drops of reagent and since drops are not always uniform, when only using 3 drops or 5 drops, if one or more of them come out much bigger or smaller, it could give you a slightly inaccurate reading. Using 10ml of water, you would then use 6 - 16 drops of reagent so there's more of a likelihood that the average of all of the drops will fall into the right size drop. You are also using a larger water sample so there's less of a chance of the sample being inconsistent. .. for example, say one of your fish decides to pee in the water just upstream from where you are drawing your sample... all of a sudden, your ammonia reading and pH might be off the charts. LOL That's just an exaggerated example but by taking a 100% larger sample, it would be more indicative of your overall water quality of the tank. I only do this once in a while to make as a quality control check on my 5ml tests that I usually do. I also try to squeeze my bottles barely hard enough to make the drop just teeter on the edge and then drip off. I think it's the Ammonia Test chemical number two (I'm drawing a blank right now and don't feel like checking.. lol) that is really a much thinner liquid compared to the others and if you squeeze it the same as the others, it comes dripping (almost pouring) out much faster. After a few months, once a tank has established a nice ecology, then all of your tests should come up zero, except for nitrates and pH. Also, since I'm down to only a couple of tanks (post-Katrina) , and the chemical reagents should be replaced every year, I figure I'll do larger test samples to be assured of more accurate results since I'd be dumping any leftover chemicals anyhow if I didn't use them up. Now, for folks with new tanks or lots of tanks, where they are testing more frequently, they'll probably get good use without doubling the water samples. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:54 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? The 10ml test is a more acurate test?? --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > The API test tubes have the 5ml marking line and as you already know, are > round and only 1/2" in diameter so they are not very stable on their own > (that's why they provide the little waxed cardboard tray for holding them.. > lol). If you are careful, the cardboard tray seems to last a long time. I > still have the same one from about 5 years ago. For something more durable > and stable, you could make a better tray by taking a piece of scrap wood (1" > x 4" by 8" long would work great) and drilling appropriate sized 1/2" holes > 1/2 way into the wood to hold the test tubes. This would be water resistant > and should last more than one lifetime. > > The Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit comes with a couple of rectangular > plastic test tubes... or would that be test rectangles? LOL They have a > slightly wider plastic base on them and they are graded in 1ml increments up > to 10ml. From front to back, they are the same thickness as the API test > tubes so the color grading stays the same... at least to my eyes and I've > compared them. I've used these for my API testing... especially when I want > to do a 10ml test instead of the 5ml test, which insures a little more > accurate test results, or if I'm only testing one or two tests. If I'm > performing all six tests, then I have to use all four API tubes (two have > broken over the years) and the two T-L tubes. I did notice that on a recent > replacement kit for the API Nitrate kit, the test tube came in plastic and > not as tall.... but still no wider base on it. With plastic, they could > have easily set up the mold to include a wider base to make it individually > stable but maybe they bought the plastic tubes from an existing inventory to > cut costs. > > The main thing you would need is something that is clear and something that > has the same depth/diameter as the 1/2" API test tube since going less or > more would change the color when looking through it for comparative purposes > when it's in front of the color card. > > You could also go to a school supply outlet that might sell chemistry and > biology department supplies and they probably sell various sized test tubes > and holders. Once again, the key is to get a test tube that has the same > 1/2" diameter (or depth if a square or rectangle). I'm guessing they also > sell plastic test tubes nowadays but I'll confess that I've been out of high > school for a couple of years. ;-) Of course, the plastic ones would not > fare well over a bunsen burner so maybe they don't sell many of them in > school supply outlets. Do they still let high schoolers use bunsen > burners... or is that considered too dangerous nowadays? I only remember > creating a hazard a few times... and I think only one resulted in an actual > evacuation. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im clumsy. > I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to my last tube! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35565	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Drag out the broom. .... Running... Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? No you are correct with my search for an unbreakable?? test tube. I found a couple of places that sell 24 packs of glass API test tubes. I just dont want to drag out the shop vac everytime I drop one. I have 8 tanks running now so for convenience I do my testing in the basement with the tanks. Like I said I seen clear plastic tubes but wasnt sure if its compatible with the test chemicals. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Less breakable? Hah, hah, hah! So that's the issue! I answered this on > one list or other; it's appeared on more than one list. Btu I answered a > reply to it. So I didn't know exactly what you were looking for. > > Sure, I believe that if you look in the home science supply outfits online, > you will find plastic or wahtever test tubes and tehy'd work perfectly. > You can use any measuring device, also available through the home science > supply places, to measure out your one or five ml, which ever it is. You > don't have to use a certain size and shape of tube. Test tubes even come > in that small if you look around far enough. (I had to look long and hard > for a rack to fit the small tubes.) > > I thought you just watned to know how to get more API test tubes; they're > sold as I think Dr. Wellfish, and they aren't dreadfully expensive. I just > buy more of them. > > I think some of us will stop breaking them when we grow a left thumb AND a > right thumb. LOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alternative to API test tubes? > > > Anyone use anything less breakable than API glass test tubes? I keep > breaking them because the floor in the fish room is cement... and im > clumsy. I tried API test strips but they seem very vague. I am down to > my last tube! > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35566	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

thanks ray, for someone who claims to not know much on swordtails, it seems you have taken the time to look that up. thanks for the info. I did spend several hours last night on the ALA site. I do appreciate the nudge to that site. Not a total newb to the net, but the part I am looking at now, yeah I am still learning where the reputable sites pertaining to fish are. It certainly opens the world to us and gets us wanting much different things in our tanks. Before we were dependent upon our local pet stores to bring fish to us, the net is a powerful tool. The first tank I got running is for my son, he has autistic tendencies and is quite fascinated by the aquariums at the doctors office. The second one, the one I am looking at putting the koi angels in, pretty much was going to only have a mating pr in, maybe a pleco? Not sure how deep in the hobby I will get this time. The last time I got out when we had a bad ice storm, no power for over a week and I lost everything. 5 tanks worth. That info was a huge help. His eyes are black by the way. Most of the females I have seen locally have a lighter saddle, more white, no red along the lateral line, or they closer resemble the green swords. I know there can be (hope I use the proper word) dimorphic appearances..different color patterns for each sex... learned alot last night... found it very interesting to learn that the black pigment in the black swords is cancerous to them...that in itself is disappointing to learn. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Drew_Black_swords.html Thank you again for the info. Tim --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim (redfishbluefish), No harm done, and no hard feelings -- seems > like you just made the mistake of overlooking the message > (texas_tears2000) I was replying to; I trust you've seen her message > since. As a moderator (on another group) yourself, you're probably > aware that it would serve me (or this group) no purpose to shoot you > down or get you bent out of shape. > > Yes, this is one of the most active yahoo groups going, on aquarium- > related subjects. As it appears you are learning, aquarium > maintenance technology has advanced over the years and with it, > easier and more dependable continuance of your aquarium inhabitants. > It does sometimes seem a wonder that we were able to keep anything > alive years ago (LOL), but then, fish were hardier back then for the > most part -- besides, those fish didn't know anymore than we did > <grin>. Many years back, cycling was unheard of; no one cycled their > tanks yet there never seemed to be any problems stemming from that. > > Yeah, I understand your reluctance about having fish shipped to you > at this time of year. It was for that reason why I advised you to > wait for warmer weather. Heat packs can be unreliable, especially in > below freezing weather or if there's a delay during shipping. Then > too, when handling the shipment after its arrival at your nearest > airport, the cargo handlers may not bring the plane's load inside > from the tarmac in a timely manner. > > Koi Angels would be a good choice and while some recommendations may > not subscribe housing them in as small of a tank as a 30 gallon, many > Angelfish breeders use just that size for a breeding pair. The fry > could not be raised with the parents, however, if this was your > plan. Being somewhat newer, Koi Swordtails are increasingly gaining > in popularity, even here in the Northeast and while their pattern is > striking I can see why you prefer staying with the Pineapple strain; > the male you have is exceedingly nice. Too bad about those Black > Swordtails that died in your LFS's tank. Perhaps he'll get more in, > in the future, when you would then have no problem placing them in > one of your tanks. > > Getting back to your main topic of interest, I hadn't replied to it > as I don't consider myself a Swordtail expert, but while any certain > strain's characteristics should be confined to its original > developments, you'll find that these characteristics can vary over > time as the variety is continued by various breeders. I mention > this, as what you're expecting to find in trying to obtain female > Pineapple Swordtails may vary somewhat from the pattern you presently > have. > > In checking out your photo on this Group-Site as well as the same one > you posted on the ALA (for those members unfamiliar with this > abbreviation, its -- American Livebearers Association) Site (which by > the way has more definition on the ALA for some reason), from your > male's color pattern it appears as if this line may have come > partially from Albino Pineapple Swords. As far as I can tell by your > photos though, your male's eyes are black; please state if they're > red, I can't determine. > > Now as for the other common names you question for this same strain, > from what I'm aware, while Neon Swordtails are very similar to the > Pineapple -- even having the red saddle -- some of their traits are > closer to the original Green Swordtail in that their prominent > longitudinal line is black -- not red, as in yours. Their fins are > shaded much more yellow, not orange-red as is yours. The sword on > the Neon Swordtail is completely outlined in black, again > unmistakenly including this part of the Green Swordtail's traits. > The Pineapple Swordtail's sword is only partially outlined, but still > much more so than the Candy. > > The Candy Swordtail, again being very similar, has no red along the > top, nor are its dorsal or caudal fins solid orange-red but instead > heavily speckled orange-red over yellowish fins. Whereas your fish's > secondary horizontal lines are blackish, the Candy Swordtail's > secondary lines are also red as is its primary/prominent heavy > horizontal line. Its sword is not as well outlined (in black) as > either the Pineapple or the Neon Swords. > > As all three strains are quite close in appearance, it seems evident > that they may well have been derived from one original line, although > I can't say which strain was developed from which other strain, if > that were the case, or if they each were developed as separate > varieties from an original strain. As far as I'm aware, they are not > synonyms though; your strain is Pineapple. > > As I stated above, even your Pineapple Swordtail strain may vary from > breeder to breeder -- and that includes possible stightly different > strains from various fish farms. You may even be disappointed by > some, although there may be strains out there in the hobby that have > even more intense red coloring in them; that remains unseen. If > you're unable to find any suitable Pineapple Swordtail females, I'd > suggest obtaining Albino Swordtails and adding your male's genes to > their offspring. If you find them in a tank at your LFS accompanied > by Albino males, remember that these females can carry several > succeeding batches of fry with one mating (from an Albino male) so > you'll have to wait until the females are free of Albino fry to > expect any fry from your Pineapple - Albino matings. Still, this > should not prevent you from housing them all in the same aquarium -- > except for the Black Swordtails, which you'll have to house > separately to prevent fertilization by them. > > Most of these offspring will show the your male Pineapple Swordtail's > traits. If he has any Albino genes in his background, you may expect > some (probably 25%) Albino offspring. Otherwise, the females' Albino > traits will be hidden, possibly to be expressed in future generations > depending upon the arrangement of subsequent generations' matings. > This may be the best way to raise your strain of Pineapple Swordtails > in the absence of females of this same strain, and be relatively > assured the offspring will resemble your male. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > sorry ray, did not mean to get off on the wrong foot here! not the > > first forum I have been on, just took it wrong... I am a moderator > on > > a nascar forum, and I know misunderstandings happen, this group > seems > > to be one of the more active on the yahoo groups dealing with > aquarium > > life, I gotta say things seems to have changed since I had my > > aquariums set up before... we used to bleach the gravel and filter > out > > to kill off the bacteria and algae! gotta wonder how we were able > to > > keep the fish alive! I certainly hope there are no hard feelings, I > am > > just here to relearn what used to seem second nature to me. still > > learning my way around. I am in the midwest ray, lol no way I'd > even > > think of having fish shipped in freezing weather! appreciate the > help, > > and I have seen KOI versions of many species of fish, I have > recently > > acquired a second 30 gallon tank, and I plan on koi angelfish for my > > main inhabitants for that! not sure if I like the koi swords, I have > > seen pix of them on a few websites... kinda had my heart set on a > trio > > of black swords though... eh got time right? rest of my life to > find > > them lol, i just had sour grapes cause I was watching some at a > local > > pet store while my tank got started, they died in the tank, cause > they > > just do not take car of them like they should. I gotta wonder what > > kind of markup they have on them to let so many die? > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's > > > message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to > your > > > original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing > our > > > member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that > had > > > no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring > to > > > you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you > directly. > > > > > > Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail > varieties > > > you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't > > > venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua- > Bid > > > if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail > > > variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I > would > > > advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- > > > packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in > > > temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would > > > probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look > into > > > the > > > > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > > > > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another > post > > > > in your > > > > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He > was > > > not > > > > > replying to your initial post. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and > haven't > > > > even read > > > > > much about the various color schemes being bred into > swordtails > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with > > > swordtails and > > > > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on > them. > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > > > > Association > > > > > for more specific breeding information on this species and > other > > > > > livebearers. > > > > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on > > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > > > > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the > > > fish... I > > > > have > > > > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > > > > names... neon > > > > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > > > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with > different > > > > names for > > > > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this > site > > > > tim's tank, > > > > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it > was > > > > only a 3 > > > > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > > > > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > > > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many > things > > > have > > > > changed, > > > > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after > reading > > > this > > > > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female > Pineapple > > > > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss > of > > > your > > > > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your > water > > > to > > > > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you > looking > > > for > > > > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you > undertsand > > > what > > > > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us > very > > > much > > > > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a > good > > > place > > > > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't > given > > > any > > > > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the > > > female. What > > > > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish > are > > > in this > > > > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the > female > > > to > > > > take > > > > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this > can > > > often > > > > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > > > livebearer > > > > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > > > > They had babies. > > > > > > > All babies die. > > > > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn > green,its > > > not > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" > <dewdude35@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my > swordtail, > > > > > > bought > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, > or > > > if > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a > few > > > females > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. > complete > > > > > > > orange/red > > > > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken > red > > > line > > > > > > > below.. > > > > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... > most" > > > > > > pineapples" > > > > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the > > > bluish hue > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many > use > > > the same > > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the > > > coloration of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy > blind > > > from > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones > for my > > > > > > tank... > > > > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. > he > > > has > > > > > > two > > > > > > > red > > > > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are > not > > > too > > > > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets > are > > > > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35567	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. The information is from http://aquaticconcepts.thekrib.com/%c2%a0%c2%a0 I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. Australian and New Guinea Rainbowfish are excellent in plant tanks. Besides having almost salt-water-like colors, they are active and sociable. Shown here is a "Yellow", M. herbertaxelrodi and two "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A Chilantherina bleheri tail is on the far right and a female M. bosemani is the smaller fish to the left. Melanotaenia splendide is on the left, then C. bleheri, M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis incisus male on top, and part of a male M. bosemani on the bottom. Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35568	From: William	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

Have you thought about putting some indoor out door carpeting down where you test your tanks so that they might not break if you drop them. Or maybe put a bath towel down when you are bout to test, something that will break the fall of the glass but not break the glass. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: > > No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my > original post :) > > > > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are > glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in them > to prevent coagulation either > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty > tough stuff and it's very > > > > clear. This chart > > > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- > resistance- d_435 > > > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It > does > > > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most > other > > > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits > though.. just > > > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her > > > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test > kit brands > > > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > > > Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35569	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Thanks Lenny. I just was not sure that spraying would really get into the deep crevasses of the rooted plants and so doing that, alone, concerns me a bit. If I decide to dip some, I'll keep them separate. I'll try spraying plants I already own since I do think they probably are safe and I am just doing it as a precaution. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka Gold Lenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:22 PM Well, the instructions I read, which I re-typed in my earlier post just had them spritzing/spraying the plants with the HP for a moment, then rinsing, then the vinegar for a moment, then rinsing. I'm not sure if dipping them (completely submerging), even if for a moment would be more harmful or not. I know that the 3% HP is an oxidizing agent but it quickly becomes relatively inert when exposed to air or diluted in enough water, but dipping the plant, for even a moment in the HP might be too much oxidation. For example, when treating plants or tank objects for algae when they are still in aquariums with fish, etc., you can use a syringe and use up to 1 oz. of 3% HP per 10G without any adverse side effects from most plants or the fish but it does have an effect on the algae and even some plants where it was spot treated. It's mostly used for spot treatment of algae or certain types of stubborn algae. If you do decide to try and dip them, do it for as fast of a period of time as you can and then have a second bucket of fresh water ready to submerge and lightly swoosh the plant in, right after the dip in the HP, to make sure any HP residue is sufficiently diluted. Use a different bucket of fresh water for the vinegar. Keep track of where you place these more aggressively treated plants and be ready to remove them if they start to die off so they don't foul your water... or at least move them to another tank to see if they survive. Some plants will appear to be dying (crypt melt for example) but then come back in many cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really wanted one. I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the sensitive category. Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a comparison. I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I do. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just right. http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at the bottom. I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I don't anticipate doing this any time soon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now Plant questions Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and still put into water and then it will start growing again? I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches rather than a lily type. Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. Deb P. (still new to the site) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35570	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM Deb P., Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or raising the covering on the tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35571	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Tim, Actually, breeding for black in any fish seems to be detrimental to the health of the fish. The fish with a natural black coloration seem to do fine, but those bred to create a black strain can have all kinds of health issues, including, and most often, a propensity for cancer. I seem to recall reading, some time ago, that the problems are created by the mechanism that produces the black pigment. I'd need to do some research on that to confirm or deny my memory here. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > dewdude35 > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:12 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > thanks ray, for someone who claims to not know much on swordtails, it > seems you have taken the time to look that up. thanks for the info. I > did spend several hours last night on the ALA site. I do appreciate > the nudge to that site. Not a total newb to the net, but the part I am > looking at now, yeah I am still learning where the reputable sites > pertaining to fish are. It certainly opens the world to us and gets us > wanting much different things in our tanks. Before we were dependent > upon our local pet stores to bring fish to us, the net is a powerful > tool. The first tank I got running is for my son, he has autistic > tendencies and is quite fascinated by the aquariums at the doctors > office. The second one, the one I am looking at putting the koi angels > in, pretty much was going to only have a mating pr in, maybe a pleco? > Not sure how deep in the hobby I will get this time. The last time I > got out when we had a bad ice storm, no power for over a week and I > lost everything. 5 tanks worth. > > That info was a huge help. His eyes are black by the way. Most of the > females I have seen locally have a lighter saddle, more white, no red > along the lateral line, or they closer resemble the green swords. I > know there can be (hope I use the proper word) dimorphic > appearances..different color patterns for each sex... > > learned alot last night... found it very interesting to learn that the > black pigment in the black swords is cancerous to them...that in > itself is disappointing to learn. > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Drew_Black_swords.html > > Thank you again for the info. > > Tim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Tim (redfishbluefish), No harm done, and no hard feelings -- seems > > like you just made the mistake of overlooking the message > > (texas_tears2000) I was replying to; I trust you've seen her message > > since. As a moderator (on another group) yourself, you're probably > > aware that it would serve me (or this group) no purpose to shoot you > > down or get you bent out of shape. > > > > Yes, this is one of the most active yahoo groups going, on aquarium- > > related subjects. As it appears you are learning, aquarium > > maintenance technology has advanced over the years and with it, > > easier and more dependable continuance of your aquarium inhabitants. > > It does sometimes seem a wonder that we were able to keep anything > > alive years ago (LOL), but then, fish were hardier back then for the > > most part -- besides, those fish didn't know anymore than we did > > <grin>. Many years back, cycling was unheard of; no one cycled their > > tanks yet there never seemed to be any problems stemming from that. > > > > Yeah, I understand your reluctance about having fish shipped to you > > at this time of year. It was for that reason why I advised you to > > wait for warmer weather. Heat packs can be unreliable, especially in > > below freezing weather or if there's a delay during shipping. Then > > too, when handling the shipment after its arrival at your nearest > > airport, the cargo handlers may not bring the plane's load inside > > from the tarmac in a timely manner. > > > > Koi Angels would be a good choice and while some recommendations may > > not subscribe housing them in as small of a tank as a 30 gallon, many > > Angelfish breeders use just that size for a breeding pair. The fry > > could not be raised with the parents, however, if this was your > > plan. Being somewhat newer, Koi Swordtails are increasingly gaining > > in popularity, even here in the Northeast and while their pattern is > > striking I can see why you prefer staying with the Pineapple strain; > > the male you have is exceedingly nice. Too bad about those Black > > Swordtails that died in your LFS's tank. Perhaps he'll get more in, > > in the future, when you would then have no problem placing them in > > one of your tanks. > > > > Getting back to your main topic of interest, I hadn't replied to it > > as I don't consider myself a Swordtail expert, but while any certain > > strain's characteristics should be confined to its original > > developments, you'll find that these characteristics can vary over > > time as the variety is continued by various breeders. I mention > > this, as what you're expecting to find in trying to obtain female > > Pineapple Swordtails may vary somewhat from the pattern you presently > > have. > > > > In checking out your photo on this Group-Site as well as the same one > > you posted on the ALA (for those members unfamiliar with this > > abbreviation, its -- American Livebearers Association) Site (which by > > the way has more definition on the ALA for some reason), from your > > male's color pattern it appears as if this line may have come > > partially from Albino Pineapple Swords. As far as I can tell by your > > photos though, your male's eyes are black; please state if they're > > red, I can't determine. > > > > Now as for the other common names you question for this same strain, > > from what I'm aware, while Neon Swordtails are very similar to the > > Pineapple -- even having the red saddle -- some of their traits are > > closer to the original Green Swordtail in that their prominent > > longitudinal line is black -- not red, as in yours. Their fins are > > shaded much more yellow, not orange-red as is yours. The sword on > > the Neon Swordtail is completely outlined in black, again > > unmistakenly including this part of the Green Swordtail's traits. > > The Pineapple Swordtail's sword is only partially outlined, but still > > much more so than the Candy. > > > > The Candy Swordtail, again being very similar, has no red along the > > top, nor are its dorsal or caudal fins solid orange-red but instead > > heavily speckled orange-red over yellowish fins. Whereas your fish's > > secondary horizontal lines are blackish, the Candy Swordtail's > > secondary lines are also red as is its primary/prominent heavy > > horizontal line. Its sword is not as well outlined (in black) as > > either the Pineapple or the Neon Swords. > > > > As all three strains are quite close in appearance, it seems evident > > that they may well have been derived from one original line, although > > I can't say which strain was developed from which other strain, if > > that were the case, or if they each were developed as separate > > varieties from an original strain. As far as I'm aware, they are not > > synonyms though; your strain is Pineapple. > > > > As I stated above, even your Pineapple Swordtail strain may vary from > > breeder to breeder -- and that includes possible stightly different > > strains from various fish farms. You may even be disappointed by > > some, although there may be strains out there in the hobby that have > > even more intense red coloring in them; that remains unseen. If > > you're unable to find any suitable Pineapple Swordtail females, I'd > > suggest obtaining Albino Swordtails and adding your male's genes to > > their offspring. If you find them in a tank at your LFS accompanied > > by Albino males, remember that these females can carry several > > succeeding batches of fry with one mating (from an Albino male) so > > you'll have to wait until the females are free of Albino fry to > > expect any fry from your Pineapple - Albino matings. Still, this > > should not prevent you from housing them all in the same aquarium -- > > except for the Black Swordtails, which you'll have to house > > separately to prevent fertilization by them. > > > > Most of these offspring will show the your male Pineapple Swordtail's > > traits. If he has any Albino genes in his background, you may expect > > some (probably 25%) Albino offspring. Otherwise, the females' Albino > > traits will be hidden, possibly to be expressed in future generations > > depending upon the arrangement of subsequent generations' matings. > > This may be the best way to raise your strain of Pineapple Swordtails > > in the absence of females of this same strain, and be relatively > > assured the offspring will resemble your male. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > sorry ray, did not mean to get off on the wrong foot here! not the > > > first forum I have been on, just took it wrong... I am a moderator > > on > > > a nascar forum, and I know misunderstandings happen, this group > > seems > > > to be one of the more active on the yahoo groups dealing with > > aquarium > > > life, I gotta say things seems to have changed since I had my > > > aquariums set up before... we used to bleach the gravel and filter > > out > > > to kill off the bacteria and algae! gotta wonder how we were able > > to > > > keep the fish alive! I certainly hope there are no hard feelings, I > > am > > > just here to relearn what used to seem second nature to me. still > > > learning my way around. I am in the midwest ray, lol no way I'd > > even > > > think of having fish shipped in freezing weather! appreciate the > > help, > > > and I have seen KOI versions of many species of fish, I have > > recently > > > acquired a second 30 gallon tank, and I plan on koi angelfish for my > > > main inhabitants for that! not sure if I like the koi swords, I have > > > seen pix of them on a few websites... kinda had my heart set on a > > trio > > > of black swords though... eh got time right? rest of my life to > > find > > > them lol, i just had sour grapes cause I was watching some at a > > local > > > pet store while my tank got started, they died in the tank, cause > > they > > > just do not take car of them like they should. I gotta wonder what > > > kind of markup they have on them to let so many die? > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's > > > > message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to > > your > > > > original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing > > our > > > > member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that > > had > > > > no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring > > to > > > > you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you > > directly. > > > > > > > > Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail > > varieties > > > > you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't > > > > venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua- > > Bid > > > > if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail > > > > variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I > > would > > > > advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- > > > > packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in > > > > temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would > > > > probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look > > into > > > > the > > > > > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another > > post > > > > > in your > > > > > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He > > was > > > > not > > > > > > replying to your initial post. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and > > haven't > > > > > even read > > > > > > much about the various color schemes being bred into > > swordtails > > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with > > > > swordtails and > > > > > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on > > them. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > > > > > Association > > > > > > for more specific breeding information on this species and > > other > > > > > > livebearers. > > > > > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on > > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > > > > > > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the > > > > fish... I > > > > > have > > > > > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > > > > > names... neon > > > > > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > > > > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with > > different > > > > > names for > > > > > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this > > site > > > > > tim's tank, > > > > > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it > > was > > > > > only a 3 > > > > > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > > > > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many > > things > > > > have > > > > > changed, > > > > > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after > > reading > > > > this > > > > > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female > > Pineapple > > > > > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss > > of > > > > your > > > > > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your > > water > > > > to > > > > > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you > > looking > > > > for > > > > > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you > > undertsand > > > > what > > > > > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us > > very > > > > much > > > > > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a > > good > > > > place > > > > > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't > > given > > > > any > > > > > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the > > > > female. What > > > > > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish > > are > > > > in this > > > > > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the > > female > > > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this > > can > > > > often > > > > > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > > > > livebearer > > > > > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > > > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > > > > > They had babies. > > > > > > > > All babies die. > > > > > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn > > green,its > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" > > <dewdude35@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my > > swordtail, > > > > > > > bought > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, > > or > > > > if > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a > > few > > > > females > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. > > complete > > > > > > > > orange/red > > > > > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken > > red > > > > line > > > > > > > > below.. > > > > > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... > > most" > > > > > > > pineapples" > > > > > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the > > > > bluish hue > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many > > use > > > > the same > > > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the > > > > coloration of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy > > blind > > > > from > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones > > for my > > > > > > > tank... > > > > > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. > > he > > > > has > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > red > > > > > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are > > not > > > > too > > > > > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets > > are > > > > > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35572	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

As I mentioned, you can simply lower the water level a bit to provide the room needed, which has a side benefit of making it a bit harder for your escape artists to get out of the tank. My first experience with plants blooming happened when I was but a young teenager. I was maintaining a 20 gallon tank that had been specially designed and built by my father to fit in a specific location in a house my parents had owned at the time. I am trying to remember if it was only 6" or, maybe, 8" wide, which meant it was taller than the normal twenty. (I had found it in the attic, pulled it down and repaired it (pre-silicone days) and set it up. It is once again living somewhere in the attic of my parents' home in MA.) It was some anacharis (elodea) that bloomed there. I had already seen anacharis bloom in the pond when we were living in NJ, so this did not strike me as being so special, However, it does seem to be since it happens so rarely in aquaria. I wish I had some pictures of it and other plants I have had bloom in aquaria. It is much easier to get aquatic plants to bloom in a pond. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of > light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing > out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P., > > > > Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among > others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are > pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you > need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or > raising the covering on the tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf > Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > > > > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > > > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > > > wanted one. > > > > > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use > on > > > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > > > sensitive category. > > > > > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > > > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > > > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > > > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > > > comparison. > > > > > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > > > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > > > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > > > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants > with > > > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > > > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > > > > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > > > do. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > > > > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > > > > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > > > > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > > > > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > > > > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > > > > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > > > > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > > > > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > > > > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > > > > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > > > > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > > > > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > > > > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > > > > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > > > > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > > > > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > > > > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > > > > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > > > > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > > > > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > > > > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > > > > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > > > > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > > > > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > > > > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > > > > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > > > > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > > > > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > > > > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > > > > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > > > > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > > > > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > > > > > Plant questions > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > > > > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > > > > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > > > > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > > > > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > > > > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > > > > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > > > > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > > > > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > > > > > rather than a lily type. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > > > > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35573	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

I think you want a bigger tank for them, they like a lot of swimming room. Or maybe you don’t mean the ones commonly available in the hobby? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. The information is from http://aquaticconce <http://aquaticconcepts.thekrib.com/> pts.thekrib.com/ I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. Australian and New Guinea Rainbowfish are excellent in plant tanks. Besides having almost salt-water-like colors, they are active and sociable. Shown here is a "Yellow", M. herbertaxelrodi and two "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A Chilantherina bleheri tail is on the far right and a female M. bosemani is the smaller fish to the left. Melanotaenia splendide is on the left, then C. bleheri, M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis incisus male on top, and part of a male M. bosemani on the bottom. Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35574	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

I’ve had vallisneria flower too. One thing to note. The flowers only come along occasionally (once in 3 years for me), I agree with Steve they are tiny and inconspicuous and possibly not even attractive. The vallisneria flower looks like a tiny baton. It’s not like having an annual plant in the outdoor garden where they are covered with colorful flowers for the summer, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM Deb P., Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or raising the covering on the tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35575	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Unusual Fish Photo

Here, hopefully, you will be able to see a photo of a fish that will not be seen in the hobby, but is rather unusual looking, and would probably be popular with the marine crowd, were it available. The fish is _Macropinna microsoma_, and apparently grows to about 4.5"--the largest size measurement I found--fishbase.org lists it at about 50% of that size. The common name appears to be barrel eye. This photo appears in _Copeia_, 2008, No. 4, December 2008. http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name=i 0045-8511-2008-4-780-f01 TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/98jv9s This is also a rare photo in that most captured specimens do not show the bubble over the head, apparently it is crushed during capture or broken when brought to the surface. Please note that I had to log in to this site to get to the article, and then to the picture. When I brought the image up in another browser, a log in was not requested, so I think you should be able to reach it. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35576	From: Darlene	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( Server Error We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe this is in error, please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were attempting to access when you encountered this error. Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35577	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are some great looking ones available, however most get too large for your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, but again, you would need a larger tank. Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These put all others to shame. One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. > > The information is from http://aquaticconcepts.thekrib.com/%c2%a0%c2%a0 I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > they are active and sociable. > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > is on the far right and a female > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > incisus male on top, and part > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > bottom. > > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35578	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

In a message dated 1/11/2009 9:40:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, steve@... writes: This is also a rare photo in that most captured specimens do not show the bubble over the head, apparently it is crushed during capture or broken when brought to the surface _\\Steve//_ (file://\\Steve//) That is awesome! For a second I thought it was a hoax until I saw it's copyrighted to the Monterrey Bay Aquarium. In truth there are weird things we haven't seen yet! Enid **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35579	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

That is what I got....  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Darlene Date: 1/11/2009 12:23:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( Server Error We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe this is in error, please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were attempting to access when you encountered this error. Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35580	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

Gwydryn was able to get there. Apparently the TinyURL does not work properly in this case, and since the link was broken, so you need to copy and paste both parts. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( > > Server Error > > We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe this is in error, > please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were > attempting to access when you encountered this error. > > > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35581	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

See my reply to Darlene. You will need to copy and paste both parts of the broken link. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Margie Phelps > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > That is what I got.... > > > >  > > Margie > > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Darlene > > Date: 1/11/2009 12:23:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > > > just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( > > > > Server Error > > > > We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe > this is in error, please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to > include the complete URL you were attempting to access when you encountered > this error. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35582	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

The TinyURL did not work.. it had a bad URL. The full URL did work except Yahoo Group's broke the link so you have to copy/paste the first part (that did show up as a link) into your browser, then copy/paste the second part into the address bar behind the first section. That worked for me at least. In \\Steves// OP, the link broke behind the "name=i" so I'm not sure how the one I just pasted below might work but I've also included links to TinyURL's. http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name=i0045 -8511-2008-4-780-f01 http://tinyurl.com/7fdz4f http://preview.tinyurl.com/7fdz4f So... do you think the other fish tease him and call him "four-eyes"? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( Server Error We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe this is in error, please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were attempting to access when you encountered this error. Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35583	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

Maybe they call him bubble head. The article is also interesting, but you need a username and password to get to it, or find a library that subscribes to _Copeia_ to read it for yourself. A university library may be a good bet, especially if they have ichthyology and/or herpetology departments. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > The TinyURL did not work.. it had a bad URL. The full URL did work except > Yahoo Group's broke the link so you have to copy/paste the first part (that > did show up as a link) into your browser, then copy/paste the second part > into the address bar behind the first section. That worked for me at least. > In \\Steves// OP, the link broke behind the "name=i" so I'm not sure how the > one I just pasted below might work but I've also included links to > TinyURL's. > > http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name=i0045 > -8511-2008-4-780-f01 > > http://tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > So... do you think the other fish tease him and call him "four-eyes"? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Darlene > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( > > Server Error > > We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you believe > this is in error, please contact us at helpdesk@.... Be sure to > include the complete URL you were attempting to access when you encountered > this error. > > > Darlene > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35584	From: Christina	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Need help identifying fish?!

Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's help. If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on any of the photos that are miss-named. I appreciate any help anyone can offer. Blessings, Christina http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35585	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

I use HP in my house plants if I have bug issues, but I pour it into the dirt usually for the bugs that come up from the soil. I see no reason that you couldn't dip the top of the plant if it's a diluted form of HP and water. I use diluted HP in water when I pour it into the soil and it doesn't harm the roots which seem like they would be easier to damage than the upper part of the plant as they don't have any protection, but then again I'm not a plant specialist or anything, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, the instructions I read, which I re-typed in my earlier post > just had > them spritzing/spraying the plants with the HP for a moment, then rinsing, > then the vinegar for a moment, then rinsing. I'm not sure if dipping them > (completely submerging), even if for a moment would be more harmful or > not. > I know that the 3% HP is an oxidizing agent but it quickly becomes > relatively inert when exposed to air or diluted in enough water, but > dipping > the plant, for even a moment in the HP might be too much oxidation. For > example, when treating plants or tank objects for algae when they are > still > in aquariums with fish, etc., you can use a syringe and use up to 1 oz. of > 3% HP per 10G without any adverse side effects from most plants or the > fish > but it does have an effect on the algae and even some plants where it was > spot treated. It's mostly used for spot treatment of algae or certain > types > of stubborn algae. If you do decide to try and dip them, do it for as fast > of a period of time as you can and then have a second bucket of fresh > water > ready to submerge and lightly swoosh the plant in, right after the dip in > the HP, to make sure any HP residue is sufficiently diluted. Use a > different bucket of fresh water for the vinegar. Keep track of where you > place these more aggressively treated plants and be ready to remove > them if > they start to die off so they don't foul your water... or at least > move them > to another tank to see if they survive. Some plants will appear to be > dying > (crypt melt for example) but then come back in many cases. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look > forward > to trying a flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. > Once I couldn't find one, I really wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something > about what to use on more sensitive plants. I just was not sure > whether Java > Moss, specifically, fit into the sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and > 29g contents to 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog > death > of unknown nature in 10g) and buying some plants that will need to be > cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants to try the new > method > on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should > dunk the plants completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar > rather than spray them since spraying might miss parts. And I assume the > vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How long do I rinse with > vinegar > (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with water > once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants > in my > tank and thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you > know what > happens when I do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa > lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" > plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the > ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss > and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. > coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any > possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae > spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of > course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting > agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment > would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I > ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about > Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed > in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that > grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35586	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

OMG! How surreal can you get? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Here, hopefully, you will be able to see a photo of a fish that will not be seen in the hobby, but is rather unusual looking, and would probably be popular with the marine crowd, were it available. The fish is _Macropinna microsoma_, and apparently grows to about 4.5"--the largest size measurement I found--fishbase.org lists it at about 50% of that size. The common name appears to be barrel eye. This photo appears in _Copeia_, 2008, No. 4, December 2008. http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name=i 0045-8511-2008-4-780-f01 TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/98jv9s This is also a rare photo in that most captured specimens do not show the bubble over the head, apparently it is crushed during capture or broken when brought to the surface. Please note that I had to log in to this site to get to the article, and then to the picture. When I brought the image up in another browser, a log in was not requested, so I think you should be able to reach it. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35587	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Deb, Whenever my plants have bloomed, their flower stalks were sent about 4 " above the rim of 16" high tanks ("standard" 30 and 40 gallon longs). As there was at 2" of gravel in the tank, that would mean these stalks were about 18" from the plant's crown to the bloom. I don't know if these flower stalks grow to only a certain length or as necessary to reach well above the water surface, as do tropical water lilies, as I really suspect. I don't know if you're planning on planting the 55 gallon or the 29, but the 55 will allow for a good reduction in water level, provided your filter would still operate, yet still allow for a good depth. Hopefully, your lowering the water level will have the effect on these stalks that they won't grow as high (but I can't say for sure). Your best bet may be to just raise the hood, but then you should either put some temporary edging around the perimeter of the tank or still lower the water somewhat, to prevent jumpers. Fortunately, your 55 will let you be flexible in determining a water depth but you'll still have to be ready to raise the lid. As has already been stated, don't expect anything spectacular with these blooms -- you won't be getting corsage-size flowers (LOL). For more spectacular results, you might want to try a miniature hardy water lily, which you can add to an aquarium provided your lighting is adequate. You'd need to rest the pot on something that would raise the top of it to no more than 12" below the water level, but the results would be pleasing. Three different lilies come to mind -- Helvola (yellow flowers), Tetragona (white flowers) and Pigmy Rubra (red flowers), all having 2" diameter flowers with 5" diameter leaves. Any aquatic plant disinfecting you're considering if you're still planning on blooming Amazon Swords, and such, should not include submersing the roots. HP is one of the safest ways to go, although many hobbyists use a 5% bleach solution cut at 1 part bleach to 19 parts water. For tough-leaved plants like Sagittaria, dip them for no more than 2 to 3 minutes -- then rinse thoroughly. I would be hesitant to use this method for much tenderer plants like Crypto's, but if you do, allow only half that time or use HP with them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P., > > > > Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or raising the covering on the tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > > > > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > > > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > > > wanted one. > > > > > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on > > > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > > > sensitive category. > > > > > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > > > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > > > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > > > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > > > comparison. > > > > > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > > > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > > > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > > > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with > > > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > > > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > > > > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > > > do. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > > > > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > > > > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > > > > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > > > > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > > > > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > > > > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > > > > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > > > > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > > > > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > > > > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > > > > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > > > > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > > > > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > > > > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > > > > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > > > > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > > > > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > > > > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > > > > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > > > > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > > > > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > > > > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > > > > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > > > > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > > > > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > > > > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > > > > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > > > > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > > > > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > > > > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > > > > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > > > > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > > > > > Plant questions > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > > > > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > > > > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > > > > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > > > > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > > > > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > > > > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > > > > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > > > > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > > > > > rather than a lily type. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > > > > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

Did you check out the link at the bottom of the image page? It goes to a page with a series of eight high-def video stills where you can click on the first image, then use the next button to see the others. One of the stills is a look right into the face... that's one butt-ugly fish... not the ugliest fish I've ever seen but definitely falls into the "a face only a mother could love" category. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo Maybe they call him bubble head. The article is also interesting, but you need a username and password to get to it, or find a library that subscribes to _Copeia_ to read it for yourself. A university library may be a good bet, especially if they have ichthyology and/or herpetology departments. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > The TinyURL did not work.. it had a bad URL. The full URL did work > except Yahoo Group's broke the link so you have to copy/paste the > first part (that did show up as a link) into your browser, then > copy/paste the second part into the address bar behind the first section. That worked for me at least. > In \\Steves// OP, the link broke behind the "name=i" so I'm not sure > how the one I just pasted below might work but I've also included > links to TinyURL's. > > http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name > =i0045 > -8511-2008-4-780-f01 > > http://tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > So... do you think the other fish tease him and call him "four-eyes"? > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Darlene > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( > > Server Error > > We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you > believe this is in error, please contact us at > helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were > attempting to access when you encountered this error. > > > Darlene >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35589	From: Darlene	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

OMG what an unusual fish !!!!!!!! it looks like something out of science fiction :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35590	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Fish Photo

Yes, but the photo I linked to was definitely the best one, by far. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > Did you check out the link at the bottom of the image page? It goes to a > page with a series of eight high-def video stills where you can click on the > first image, then use the next button to see the others. One of the stills > is a look right into the face... that's one butt-ugly fish... not the > ugliest fish I've ever seen but definitely falls into the "a face only a > mother could love" category. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > Maybe they call him bubble head. > > The article is also interesting, but you need a username and password to get > to it, or find a library that subscribes to _Copeia_ to read it for > yourself. A university library may be a good bet, especially if they have > ichthyology and/or herpetology departments. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > > > The TinyURL did not work.. it had a bad URL. The full URL did work > > except Yahoo Group's broke the link so you have to copy/paste the > > first part (that did show up as a link) into your browser, then > > copy/paste the second part into the address bar behind the first section. > That worked for me at least. > > In \\Steves// OP, the link broke behind the "name=i" so I'm not sure > > how the one I just pasted below might work but I've also included > > links to TinyURL's. > > > > http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/perlserv/?request=display-figures&name > > =i0045 > > -8511-2008-4-780-f01 > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/7fdz4f > > > > So... do you think the other fish tease him and call him "four-eyes"? > > LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Darlene > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Unusual Fish Photo > > > > just tried to see the photo but this is all i get on both links :(( > > > > Server Error > > > > We're sorry. We could not locate the resource you requested. If you > > believe this is in error, please contact us at > > helpdesk@.... Be sure to include the complete URL you were > > attempting to access when you encountered this error. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35591	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

One thing you might want to do is also list the latin name along side of common name as common names are often used on many different fish. For example, your image for what you label a "Zebra Fish" is a black/white variant of the Clown Fish (like in Finding Nemo)(Amphiprion ocellaris). Zebra Fish is also a name given to the Zebra Danio which is a very common freshwater species, as well as to several other species. You might want to use http://www.fishbase.org to verify the fish information you might find on other sites, after checking other sites, as FishBase is probably the most extensive and accurate database of saltwater (and freshwater) fish but doing a search for just - zebra fish - in FishBase, came up with three different species all together... not including yours or the Zebra Danio. Now, using the single word - zebrafish - it found two more species, including the Zebra Danio... but still nothing on your fish. Now you see why it's good to use the latin name when trying to properly ID a fish... and you'll impress your friends with your use of all them BIG words. LOL If you just want to use common names, then the one you have labeled as "Zebra Fish" should be changed to "Clown Fish - black/white variant". Here's what FishBase says about your Clown Fish (black/white variant)... and if you click on the single image on the page, it will open a page of images but all of the images were of the natural orange/white species... http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=6509&genusname=Amphiprion& speciesname=ocellaris Here's DrsFosterSmith.com's PetEducation.com website profile on the black/white variant. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2145+2185&aid=2512 Each name that you've remembered on the fish should go through this type of vetting to make sure you've properly ID'ed them... if that is what you are hoping to accomplish. If you simply use a common name and a visitor to your site tries to find more info, they'll likely be led on a wild goose chase if they are not good internet researchers. I'll look at a few others as I get more time today. I'm just starting to go through my email for the day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's help. If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on any of the photos that are miss-named. I appreciate any help anyone can offer. Blessings, Christina http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35592	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

Your "Really Funky Seahorse" is the same fish that we have featured on our home page right now... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquaticlife.. the Leafy Sea Dragon. If you do a message search in our group's messages for - leafy sea dragon - you'll find where we discussed the fish recently and some profiles and articles about them. Here's one.. http://www.divegallery.com/Leafy_Sea_Dragon.htm with a lot more pictures and some videos too. The common name should be "Leafy Sea Dragon"... but I do like your name better ;-) You just need some Earth, Wind And Fire or Wild Cherry music playing in the background (uh oh.. I might have shown my age with those bands.. lol) and might I suggest, "Play That Funky Music (White Boy)" as an appropriate song. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's help. If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on any of the photos that are miss-named. I appreciate any help anyone can offer. Blessings, Christina http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35593	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

Pouring HP into the dirt will cause it to do it's job and do it quickly as the dirt and bacteria will cause the HP to oxidize quickly so it does less damage to any surrounding tissue. All HP available at retail is already diluted, usually at the 3% to 5% range... but even that low dilution level leaves HP as a viable option but I'm just not sure how dipping the plant completely will affect the plant unless you were to just dunk it for a quick second, pull it out and then be ready to dunk it in fresh water to stop the oxidizing effect. At least with spritzing/spraying, the HP will be able to oxidize and release the extra Oxygen molecule (HP - H2O2) and then basically become distilled water where dipping the plant may not provide for this immediate release of the oxidizing molecule. Here's a couple of articles I have for treating algae with HP and you'll see how this warning is discussed further. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/hydrogen-peroxide.html http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/algae_peroxide.html Pond owners even add HP either directly, via dissolving tablets or via dissolving Barley Hay, to their ponds to combat algae and also to raise the O2 levels in the pond during the hot summer days if the water temp gets so high as to cause fish distress due to low O2 levels.... but it's always highly diluted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant questions I use HP in my house plants if I have bug issues, but I pour it into the dirt usually for the bugs that come up from the soil. I see no reason that you couldn't dip the top of the plant if it's a diluted form of HP and water. I use diluted HP in water when I pour it into the soil and it doesn't harm the roots which seem like they would be easier to damage than the upper part of the plant as they don't have any protection, but then again I'm not a plant specialist or anything, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, the instructions I read, which I re-typed in my earlier post > just had > them spritzing/spraying the plants with the HP for a moment, then rinsing, > then the vinegar for a moment, then rinsing. I'm not sure if dipping them > (completely submerging), even if for a moment would be more harmful or > not. > I know that the 3% HP is an oxidizing agent but it quickly becomes > relatively inert when exposed to air or diluted in enough water, but > dipping > the plant, for even a moment in the HP might be too much oxidation. For > example, when treating plants or tank objects for algae when they are > still > in aquariums with fish, etc., you can use a syringe and use up to 1 oz. of > 3% HP per 10G without any adverse side effects from most plants or the > fish > but it does have an effect on the algae and even some plants where it was > spot treated. It's mostly used for spot treatment of algae or certain > types > of stubborn algae. If you do decide to try and dip them, do it for as fast > of a period of time as you can and then have a second bucket of fresh > water > ready to submerge and lightly swoosh the plant in, right after the dip in > the HP, to make sure any HP residue is sufficiently diluted. Use a > different bucket of fresh water for the vinegar. Keep track of where you > place these more aggressively treated plants and be ready to remove > them if > they start to die off so they don't foul your water... or at least > move them > to another tank to see if they survive. Some plants will appear to be > dying > (crypt melt for example) but then come back in many cases. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look > forward > to trying a flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. > Once I couldn't find one, I really wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something > about what to use on more sensitive plants. I just was not sure > whether Java > Moss, specifically, fit into the sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and > 29g contents to 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog > death > of unknown nature in 10g) and buying some plants that will need to be > cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants to try the new > method > on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should > dunk the plants completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar > rather than spray them since spraying might miss parts. And I assume the > vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How long do I rinse with > vinegar > (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with water > once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants > in my > tank and thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you > know what > happens when I do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa > lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" > plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the > ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss > and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. > coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any > possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae > spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of > course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting > agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment > would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I > ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about > Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed > in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that > grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35594	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Testimony for One And Only

January 11, 2009 � Testimony for Dr. Tim�s Aquatics �One And Only� � � After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%.� My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. � I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. � Day 1.� I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. � ����������� After an hour I added 2 oz�s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. � Day 2.� (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. � Day 3.� Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success�����. � This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via� 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It�s a winner ! � Philip Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35595	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

Uh OH... while everyone knows I'm a big proponent of Dr. Tim and I believe that the One And Only product should certainly work as advertised, your testimony does not support your tank being a fully cycled tank since nitrates are the end of the nitrogen cycle... so there should be a nitrate level. Having zero for nitrates, nitrites and ammonia means there was either no ammonia or nitrites to start with or the test results are inaccurate or something went wrong. If there was a source of ammonia in the tank, which you indicate the tanks had fish in them, then there should be a nitrate level. Do you have any white rocks or chips looking substance in your filter system? Double check your nitrate test to make sure it was zero. Depending on the bioload of a tank, the nitrates will slowly climb in between PWC's, which is one test we use for determining how frequent PWC's should be done. With live plants, they will utilize some or all of the nitrates but that does not mean that PWC's can be eliminated as there are many other pollutants in a tank that we cannot easily test for. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Herman Melville Subject: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only January 11, 2009   Testimony for Dr. Tim’s Aquatics “One And Only”     After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%.  My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish.   I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added.   Day 1.  I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank.               After an hour I added 2 oz’s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited.   Day 2.  (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that.   Day 3.  Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success .   This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It’s a winner !   Philip Charles

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35596	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

good idea! indoor/outdoor carpet!!! artificial turf even!!! ha ha we are a smart AND funny group! lmao --- On Sun, 1/11/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: From: William <dreammaker2623@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:00 AM Have you thought about putting some indoor out door carpeting down where you test your tanks so that they might not break if you drop them. Or maybe put a bath towel down when you are bout to test, something that will break the fall of the glass but not break the glass. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@ ...> wrote: > > No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my > original post :) > > > > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are > glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in them > to prevent coagulation either > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty > tough stuff and it's very > > > > clear. This chart > > > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- > resistance- d_435 > > > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It > does > > > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most > other > > > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits > though.. just > > > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her > > > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test > kit brands > > > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > > > Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35597	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

Hi, retesting both tanks again they both have a reading of 5.0 Nitrates. My mistake in leaving out the 5.0. Phil --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 3:31 PM Uh OH... while everyone knows I'm a big proponent of Dr. Tim and I believe that the One And Only product should certainly work as advertised, your testimony does not support your tank being a fully cycled tank since nitrates are the end of the nitrogen cycle... so there should be a nitrate level. Having zero for nitrates, nitrites and ammonia means there was either no ammonia or nitrites to start with or the test results are inaccurate or something went wrong. If there was a source of ammonia in the tank, which you indicate the tanks had fish in them, then there should be a nitrate level. Do you have any white rocks or chips looking substance in your filter system? Double check your nitrate test to make sure it was zero. Depending on the bioload of a tank, the nitrates will slowly climb in between PWC's, which is one test we use for determining how frequent PWC's should be done. With live plants, they will utilize some or all of the nitrates but that does not mean that PWC's can be eliminated as there are many other pollutants in a tank that we cannot easily test for. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Herman Melville Subject: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only January 11, 2009 � Testimony for Dr. Tim�s Aquatics �One And Only� � � After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%.� My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. � I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. � Day 1.� I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. � ����������� After an hour I added 2 oz�s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. � Day 2.� (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. � Day 3.� Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success�����. � This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It�s a winner ! � Philip Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35598	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

Now... that's a "Testimony". ;-) While many FW fish can and do OK with nitrate levels that rise as high as 40ppm between PWC's, it's best to keep them lower, around 20ppm, which means more frequent PWC's and/or live plants. Here's \\Steve//'s long article, written here in this group, all about Nitrates for more reading... http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/13064 And for even more reading, here's a long article based on many of Dr. Tim's scientific papers about the nitrogen cycle. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/waterinfo.html Learn this page and you'll know almost every thing you ever wanted to know about the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry in our aquariums, filtration, etc. Unfortunately, many of the reference cites listed may not work since there were to his works hosted on the Marineland.com site when he was there chief science officer. I checked only the first one and it did not work any longer. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only Hi, retesting both tanks again they both have a reading of 5.0 Nitrates. My mistake in leaving out the 5.0. Phil --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 3:31 PM Uh OH... while everyone knows I'm a big proponent of Dr. Tim and I believe that the One And Only product should certainly work as advertised, your testimony does not support your tank being a fully cycled tank since nitrates are the end of the nitrogen cycle... so there should be a nitrate level. Having zero for nitrates, nitrites and ammonia means there was either no ammonia or nitrites to start with or the test results are inaccurate or something went wrong. If there was a source of ammonia in the tank, which you indicate the tanks had fish in them, then there should be a nitrate level. Do you have any white rocks or chips looking substance in your filter system? Double check your nitrate test to make sure it was zero. Depending on the bioload of a tank, the nitrates will slowly climb in between PWC's, which is one test we use for determining how frequent PWC's should be done. With live plants, they will utilize some or all of the nitrates but that does not mean that PWC's can be eliminated as there are many other pollutants in a tank that we cannot easily test for. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Herman Melville Subject: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only January 11, 2009 Testimony for Dr. Tim’s Aquatics “One And Only” After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%.  My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. Day 1.  I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. After an hour I added 2 oz’s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. Day 2.  (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. Day 3.  Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success . This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It’s a winner ! Philip Charles

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35599	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Testimony for One And Only

January 11, 2009 � Testimony for Dr. Tim�s Aquatics �One And Only� Revised � After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%.� My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. Day 1.� I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. ����������� After an hour I added 2 oz�s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. Day 2.� 15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only. I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. Day 3.� Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 5.0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success�����. � This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via� 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It�s a winner ! � Philip Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35600	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

"0" nitrates? Can that be done? My tank is pretty close to being cycled, after adding the Tetra SafeStart, but now the nitrates force PWCs every other day at best. Can you really get enough plant life to eliminate all that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Charles" <alone29784@...> January 11, 2009 Testimony for Dr. Tim’s Aquatics “One And Only” After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%. My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. Day 1. I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. After an hour I added 2 oz’s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. Day 2. (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. Day 3. Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success……………. This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It’s a winner ! Philip Charles

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35601	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

See follow-up posts. But to answer your question... yes, 0.0ppm nitrates can be done but it's not very practical in FW aquaria since the fish are not really effected by low levels of nitrates. Technically, one could run lots of Zeolite (the ammonia removing kind) in their filter systems and do regular frequent maintenance on the Zeolite so that there is never any ammonia in the tank. That would keep nitrates at 0.0ppm... but the first time there's a power failure or the filter is not frequently maintained and ammonia starts to build up, there will be no nitrifying bacteria to handle the nitrates which would put the tank into a MAJOR cycling with fish problem... especially if the tank is heavily stocked with big fish. If you have enough fast growing plants, with sufficient lighting, CO2 and other needed nutrients, they will get the nitrates level down to the near zero level. It's a LOT easier to just have a properly cycled tank and then do your normal PWC's to keep them at a safe level below 40ppm or even better below 20ppm. My 65G two fancy goldfish tank with live plants (and the back glass with algae), rarely sees the nitrates go over 10ppm between my weekly tank maintenance. They would be MUCH higher between weekly PWC's without the live plants and algae. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only "0" nitrates? Can that be done? My tank is pretty close to being cycled, after adding the Tetra SafeStart, but now the nitrates force PWCs every other day at best. Can you really get enough plant life to eliminate all that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Charles" <alone29784@...> January 11, 2009 Testimony for Dr. Tim's Aquatics "One And Only" After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%. My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. Day 1. I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. After an hour I added 2 oz's of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. Day 2. (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. Day 3. Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success...... This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It's a winner ! Philip Charles

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35602	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Testimony for One And Only

You can, but other types of algae (worse types) proliferate with zero nitrates. I'm actually adding nitrates back in. Shooting for 10ppm to find a balance. (The trick is fast growing plants like Vallisneria, which need extra light and do better with plant substrate.) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Testimony for One And Only "0" nitrates? Can that be done? My tank is pretty close to being cycled, after adding the Tetra SafeStart, but now the nitrates force PWCs every other day at best. Can you really get enough plant life to eliminate all that? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Charles" <alone29784@...> January 11, 2009 Testimony for Dr. Tim’s Aquatics “One And Only” After receiving a 4 oz bottle of One And Only and a bottle of AquaCleanse water Detoxifier I can actually say that this product works 100%. My tanks are completely cycles with freshwater fish. I have a 12 and 6 gal tank. Gravel, plastic plants, filter, heater, bubbles wands and freshwater fish added. Day 1. I did a 50% water change in both tanks and added the AquaCleanse as per directions on bottle. Then waited a hour for it to run through the tank. After an hour I added 2 oz’s of One And Only to each tank. No other chemical has/had been used. The tanks clouded up but cleared within 15 min. Then I just waited. Day 2. (15 HOURS after the initial dose of One And Only) I did a water test on each tank and saw a slight elevation in Nitrites and Nitrates. I just let it go as that. Day 3. Water test was done on both tanks. 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates. My tanks had completely cycled !!!!!! Success . This product works. I do strongly suggest that if ordering you have it sent via 2 day express. I also suggest using the Dr. Tims AquaCleanse to detoxify the water, removes ammonia, chorine and chloramines. Lastly I strongly suggest using ONE AND ONLY to cycle your tanks with fish. It’s a winner ! Philip Charles ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35604	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: black spots n goldfish

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35605	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

You know what? I have hand tendon issues and a vestibular disorder. I used to break tubes like crazy. Since I got a rack that my test tubes fit into that seems to have virtually stopped. I don't think I've actually broken one in some time. Do take basic precautions that too many menieres-stricken people seem immune to, like don't put something breakable right next to the edge of the counter. I'm still explaining that rule to my housemates - but I don't do it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? Have you thought about putting some indoor out door carpeting down where you test your tanks so that they might not break if you drop them. Or maybe put a bath towel down when you are bout to test, something that will break the fall of the glass but not break the glass. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: > > No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my > original post :) > > > > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are > glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in them > to prevent coagulation either > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty > tough stuff and it's very > > > > clear. This chart > > > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- > resistance- d_435 > > > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. It > does > > > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most > other > > > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits > though.. just > > > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off her > > > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test > kit brands > > > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with API's > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > > > Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35606	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

My wife wants me to make it a padded cell so I dont break anymore tubes plus she could lock me in there. I dont see any problems with that!! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > > good idea! indoor/outdoor carpet!!! artificial turf even!!! ha ha we are a smart AND funny group! lmao > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > From: William <dreammaker2623@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you thought about putting some indoor out door carpeting down > > where you test your tanks so that they might not break if you drop > > them. Or maybe put a bath towel down when you are bout to test, > > something that will break the fall of the glass but not break the > > glass. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "turbocoupe76" > > <turbocoupe76@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my > > > original post :) > > > > > > > > > > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are > > > glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in > > them > > > to prevent coagulation either > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty > > > tough stuff and it's very > > > > > > > > clear. This chart > > > > > > > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- > > > resistance- d_435 > > > > > > > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. > > It > > > does > > > > > > > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most > > > other > > > > > > > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits > > > though.. just > > > > > > > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off > > her > > > > > > > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test > > > kit brands > > > > > > > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with > > API's > > > > > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > > > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > > > > > > > Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > > ((((º> > > > > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to > > > > > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > > the SUBJECT > > > > > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35607	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among other things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. The fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the water quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be affected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing black spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly variable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given point in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? How large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You simply do not give us enough information to advise you to take any path other than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water changes and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish available. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that they are signs of > healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35608	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

The black spots caused by Melanophore Migration (pigmentation cells) on goldfish may go away on their own or they may stay forever or move somewhere else.. thus the migration part of the issue. It's no big deal.. kind of like a scar on a human from a small injury.. it could stay for a lifetime or go away. They may not be pretty but they cause no harm. In a proper sized tank that is fully cycled, there will be NO excess ammonia. If they are in an undersized tank that isn't fully cycled, then you have to test daily and do 25% PWC's as needed to keep the ammonia and nitrite levels below 1.0ppm until the tank is fully cycled.. usually a month or two or more. Go to my blog on the A to Z of Fishkeeping page and take one or both of the FREE online tutorials that will walk you through all of the basics including the nitrogen cycle. Also on that A to Z page are more detailed articles on Cycling With Fish and proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning which must be followed with goldfish to keep things safe for them long term. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that they are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

If you hang around in goldfish forums, you'll hear about melanophore migration on a regular basis. The only time I've ever had it on one of my goldfish was when it had an injury and during the healing process, the area turned black from melanophore migration. I've never had an ammonia issue to a degree that would cause skin injury but I've seen many, many forum threads in goldfish forums where ammonia problems being the main problem without a physical injury and yet the goldfish would still have a lot of melanophore migration so many have surmised that it's somehow related to very ammonia spikes. The red streaking is more related to septicemia which is also often caused by ammonia and other water quality issues. I've also seen goldfish that had Ich and then the Melanophore Migration showed up where each of the Ich spots had been. I guess the M.M. could be related to something else going on but so far high ammonia spikes are a common factor in them showing up. Here's one such reference to it. http://thegab.org/Articles/DiagnosisChart.html#BlackSpot You can see how bad of shape that fish was in and then the fully recovered picture link below the picture on the above page. This section dealing with White Spots but also has a section with breeding tubercles (which some beginners confuse with Ich) also has a picture of a goldfish with a LOT of melanophore migration on it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among other things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. The fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the water quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be affected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing black spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly variable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given point in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? How large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You simply do not give us enough information to advise you to take any path other than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water changes and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish available. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that they are signs of > healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35610	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Thanks Ray and Donna, I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I think I want something with more variety in the color even though those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my technique caused their behavior? Thank you, again for your advice. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are some great looking ones available, however most get too large for your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, but again, you would need a larger tank. Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These put all others to shame. One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/   I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > they are active and sociable. > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > is on the far right and a female > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > incisus male on top, and part > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > bottom. > > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35611	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

dont know as i dont have any test kits -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given oint in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You imply do not give us enough information to advise you to take any path ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish vailable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35612	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

have 2 used to have 3 but one died. I rescued them and got a 10 gallon tank am saving up for a bigger tank as i am on a fixed income.  I did not have a chance to cycle the tanke properly(didnt even know i was supposed to) before  I put them in the tank  I think they are just reagular gold fish not real familiar with breeds of goldfish. the article i read said that high amts can be caused by high amonia and the water has a yellow tinge to it I have been doing salt treatment for ich and then  what looked like tail rot but am cutting back on salt(used iodized salt as that s all i have on hand.) . -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given oint in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You imply do not give us enough informa tion to advise you to take any path ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish vailable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional (Yahoo! ID required) http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35613	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

It's starting to sound like my goal of flowering plants may not be so worthwhile. If I get the effect I want with the colorful fish and some colorful plants, I'll be happy and forget all about the flowers! Thanks for sharing your flowering experience, too. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:42 AM I�ve had vallisneria flower too. One thing to note. The flowers only come along occasionally (once in 3 years for me), I agree with Steve they are tiny and inconspicuous and possibly not even attractive. The vallisneria flower looks like a tiny baton. It�s not like having an annual plant in the outdoor garden where they are covered with colorful flowers for the summer, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve% 40familyszabo. com> com> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve% 40familyszabo. com> com> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM Deb P., Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or raising the covering on the tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > wanted one. > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use on > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > sensitive category. > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > comparison. > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants with > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > do. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > right. > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > the bottom. > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > Plant questions > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > rather than a lily type. > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35614	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

I forgot to mention that the spots for now are on the edge of the dorsal fin(think that is the one on the top -----Original Messa)ge----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:38 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish If you hang around in goldfish forums, you'll hear about melanophore igration on a regular basis. The only time I've ever had it on one of my oldfish was when it had an injury and during the healing process, the area urned black from melanophore migration. I've never had an ammonia issue to degree that would cause skin injury but I've seen many, many forum threads n goldfish forums where ammonia problems being the main problem without a hysical injury and yet the goldfish would still have a lot of melanophore igration so many have surmised that it's somehow related to very ammonia pikes. The red streaking is more related to septicemia which is also often aused by ammonia and other water quality issues. I've also seen goldfish hat had Ich and then the Melanophore Migration showed up where each of the ch spots had been. I guess the M.M. could be related to something else oing on but so far high ammonia spikes are a common factor in them showing p. Here's one such reference to it. ttp://thegab.org/Articles/DiagnosisChart.html#BlackSpot ou can see how bad of shape that fish was in and then the fully recovered icture link below the picture on the above page. This secti on dealing with hite Spots but also has a section with breeding tubercles (which some eginners confuse with Ich) also has a picture of a goldfish with a LOT of elanophore migration on it. enny Vasbinder ish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right ide, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ----Original Message----- rom: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On ehalf Of Steve Szabo ent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:17 PM o: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ubject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among other hings, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the water uality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be affected. I ave never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing black spots on he body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly variable, and it is ot uncommon for them to change color at any given point in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You simply o not give us enough information to advise you to take any path other than o practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water changes and nsuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish available. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- =2 0From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? ----------------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> LEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the eply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> .e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. e Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35615	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Plant questions

I think you have a green aquatic thumb! Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 5:33 AM As I mentioned, you can simply lower the water level a bit to provide the room needed, which has a side benefit of making it a bit harder for your escape artists to get out of the tank. My first experience with plants blooming happened when I was but a young teenager. I was maintaining a 20 gallon tank that had been specially designed and built by my father to fit in a specific location in a house my parents had owned at the time. I am trying to remember if it was only 6" or, maybe, 8" wide, which meant it was taller than the normal twenty. (I had found it in the attic, pulled it down and repaired it (pre-silicone days) and set it up. It is once again living somewhere in the attic of my parents' home in MA.) It was some anacharis (elodea) that bloomed there. I had already seen anacharis bloom in the pond when we were living in NJ, so this did not strike me as being so special, However, it does seem to be since it happens so rarely in aquaria. I wish I had some pictures of it and other plants I have had bloom in aquaria. It is much easier to get aquatic plants to bloom in a pond. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > This is great information, Steve. Thanks. My plants are huge and green. They get plenty of > light and nutrients. I guess I need to get fish/frogs/snails that are not interested in climbing > out of my aquariums if I want flowers on my current plants. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P., > > > > Actually most plants found in aquaria will flower, if you treat them right. I have had, among > others, anacharis (elodea), valisneria, sagittarius, amazon swords bloom. The flowers are > pretty small, and surprised me each time. The flowers will appear above the water, so you > need to provide some room for them to do their thing, either by lowering the water level or > raising the covering on the tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf > Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:48 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant questions > > > > > > Thank you, Lenny. I will check the sites you suggested soon. I look forward to trying a > > > flowering plant if I can find one. It's just a quirk, I think. Once I couldn't find one, I really > > > wanted one. > > > > > > I think one of the articles linked on your website did mention something about what to use > on > > > more sensitive plants. I just was not sure whether Java Moss, specifically, fit into the > > > sensitive category. > > > > > > Since I am about to do some tank swapping (moving 10g contents to 29g and 29g contents to > > > 55g), I'll be cleaning some of my plants (due to frog death of unknown nature in 10g) and > > > buying some plants that will need to be cleaned. I will try to remember to split my old plants > > > to try the new method on some plants and one of the older methods on some plants for a > > > comparison. > > > > > > I do have a couple of questions about the new method. I assume we should dunk the plants > > > completely in the HP for 2 or 3 minutes, then the vinegar rather than spray them since > > > spraying might miss parts. And I assume the vinegar is not diluted. My questions are 1. How > > > long do I rinse with vinegar (just a quick dip)?, and 2. whether I need to rinse the plants > with > > > water once I am finished? I am thinking about putting vinegar coated plants in my tank and > > > thinking rinsing well with water would be a good idea. > > > > > > It's going to be a few weeks before I can do this but I'll let you know what happens when I > > > do. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquartic les.com/articles /plants/FrancoVa lias_aquatic_ flowers.html > > > > > > goes over some of the flowering plants, with pictures at the bottom, but > > > > > > they usually flower in the air above the water line although some will > > > > > > flower under water. It doesn't usually happen unless conditions are just > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- list.html - scroll down to the "Rosette" plants > > > > > > section... about 1/2 way down the page. You'll also see the ferns/mosses at > > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many people use shorter 5% bleach dip periods for Java Moss and some > > > > > > other plants known to be more sensitive. The articles/links in my blog, on > > > > > > sanitizing plants, should go over this. I haven't read them in a while so > > > > > > if they don't, I need to add more info to that blog. Let me know. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I was recently reading a forum thread on how to clean fruits, veggies, > > > > > > lettuce, etc. for human consumption and the concept of using two spray > > > > > > bottles.. one with full consumer strength hydrogen peroxide (usually a 3% > > > > > > solution) and one with vinegar (plain white).. and then spritzing the > > > > > > plants/veggies with these two. Spray one, let it sit a moment, rinse, then > > > > > > spray with the other, let it sit a moment and rinse. Do not mix the two at > > > > > > the same time. Supposedly, university experiments are being done that show > > > > > > this process works better than bleach at killing pathogens such as e. coli, > > > > > > salmonella, etc., without the chance of a chlorine aftertaste in your > > > > > > food... which could also cause you digestive issues. I haven't done any > > > > > > Google Scholar searches for more details but the concept certainly seems > > > > > > viable to me. I think someone who is about to set up a new planted tank > > > > > > should experiment with this to see how well this might work on aquatic > > > > > > plants (hint, hint)... at least it should work for killing any possible bad > > > > > > bacteria and the HP would probably work on most, if not all, algae spores on > > > > > > the plants. HP is already used in aquaria and I've spot treated a > > > > > > filamentous algae using a syringe with HP in a stocked aquarium. Of course, > > > > > > this HP/Vinegar treatment was being used on plants/veggies that were about > > > > > > to be cooked or eaten fresh... not to be sanitized prior to planting in an > > > > > > aquarium so the treatment may not be suitable for aquarium plants if the > > > > > > mortality rate is higher than the procedures we currently use... but I > > > > > > thought it was an interesting twist on milder sanitizing/disinfec ting agents > > > > > > that could be used on plants going into our aquariums. Alum treatment would > > > > > > still be needed for ridding the plant of the potential for snails/eggs. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next time I set up a tank with newly acquired plants.. or if I ever feel > > > > > > the need to sanitize any of my current plants, I'll give it a try but I > > > > > > don't anticipate doing this any time soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:14 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No experience with LIVE aquarium plants- Now > > > > > > Plant questions > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me for jumping in on this conversation. I have a question about Java > > > > > > Moss. I have never worked with it but always thought it was pretty cool. I > > > > > > wondered if it would hold up to being dipped in any of the various > > > > > > disinfectants linked off of your website, Lenny, before being placed in the > > > > > > tank? Also, do I remember hearing that it can be completely dried out and > > > > > > still put into water and then it will start growing again? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a second plant question. I wondered if anyone knew of a good > > > > > > flowering plant for a freshwater aquarium and a good source from which to > > > > > > but it? I would like to find something with small (tiny?) flowers that grow > > > > > > on an underwater plant. I am thinking of something that grows in bunches > > > > > > rather than a lily type. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for the help you give to everyone on this site. > > > > > > Deb P. (still new to the site) > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

For now, you should be doing DAILY 50% PWC's (partial water changes) with dechlored tap water of the similar temperature every day. A 10G definitely is way too small. Regular common goldfish will need a HUGE tank 6' to 8' long, at least 75G per goldfish... and even that's pushing things as they get bigger. Doing the daily PWC's will at least give them a fighting chance at getting/staying healthy until you get a much larger tank or find a suitable home for them... preferably in a nice sized pond in someone's back yard. The yellow tinge is likely from the pee and poo from the goldfish dissolving in the water. Since it's so bad, disregard my earlier comment about daily 50% PWC's and start off with 10% PWC's 5-6 times a day for a couple of days before switching to large PWC's or the fish could go into shock from such a drastic change in their water. They actually acclimate to BAD water so they have to be slowly acclimated back to good water. After a few days, then you can do one 50% PWC each day and that should keep things in half-way decent shape until you get the BIG tank or find them a new home since money is an issue. Your 10G tank can have a lot of different types of tropical or cool water fish... but NOT goldfish. Go to the A to Z page on my blog and start reading and take the two free online tutorials. I also have an article about 10G tank stocking suggestions so you will know what to look for when you finally move the goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish have 2 used to have 3 but one died. I rescued them and got a 10 gallon tank am saving up for a bigger tank as i am on a fixed income.  I did not have a chance to cycle the tanke properly(didnt even know i was supposed to) before  I put them in the tank  I think they are just reagular gold fish not real familiar with breeds of goldfish. the article i read said that high amts can be caused by high amonia and the water has a yellow tinge to it I have been doing salt treatment for ich and then  what looked like tail rot but am cutting back on salt(used iodized salt as that s all i have on hand.) . -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given oint in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You imply do not give us enough informa tion to advise you to take any path ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish vailable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35617	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

[Giving you a two for one answer here to both your replies to my reply] Having test kits for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH is one of the requirements of keeping fish. You can get a master test kit for around $20 on the low side (Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (API)). With the fish in a 10 gallon tank, you should be doing at least 25% water changes on a daily basis to get the water parameters back into line and remove the wastes and chemicals we cannot or do not test for. The yellowish tinge is a bad sign, unless there is driftwood in the tank that is leaching tannins, and even then, that may not do the goldfish much good. You do not mention filtration, but you do need a filter to help you out, and filter solid wastes as well as giving the nitrogenous waste bacteria a bed to colonize so they can help regular the nitrogenous wastes in your tank. Look up the posts on Dr. Tim's One and Only here in the list archives. There were some posts on it earlier today, and we were favored with a visit from Dr. Tim himself a few days ago. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > dont know as i dont have any test kits > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > > > When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among > ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. > he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the > ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be > ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing > lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly > ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given > oint in their lives. > What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? > ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You > imply do not give us enough information to advise you to take any path > ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water > hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish > vailable. > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > n Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that > hey are signs of > healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35618	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

Do guppies need a heater? -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish For now, you should be doing DAILY 50% PWC's (partial water changes) with dechlored tap water of the similar temperature every day. A 10G definitely is way too small. Regular common goldfish will need a HUGE tank 6' to 8' long, at least 75G per goldfish... and even that's pushing things as they get bigger. Doing the daily PWC's will at least give them a fighting chance at getting/staying healthy until you get a much larger tank or find a suitable home for them... preferably in a nice sized pond in someone's back yard. The yellow tinge is likely from the pee and poo from the goldfish dissolving in the water. Since it's so bad, disregard my earlier comment about daily 50% PWC's and start off with 10% PWC's 5-6 times a day for a couple of days before switching to large PWC's or the fish could go into shock from such a drastic change in their water. They actually acclimate to BAD water so they have to be slowly acclimated back to good water. After a few days, then you can do one 50% PWC each day and that should keep things in half-way decent shape until you get the BIG tank or find them a new home since money is an issue. Your 10G tank can have a lot of different types of tropical or cool water fish... but NOT goldfish. Go to the A to Z page on my blog and start reading and take the two free online tutorials. I also have an article about 10G tank stocking suggestions so you will know what to look for when you finally move the goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish have 2 used to have 3 but one died. I rescued them and got a 10 gallon tank am saving up for a bigger tank as i am on a fixed income.  I did not have a chance to cycle the tanke properly(didnt even know i was supposed to) before  I put them in the tank  I think they are just reagular gold fish not real familiar with breeds of goldfish. the article i read said that high amts can be caused by high amonia and the water has a yellow tinge to it I have been doing salt treatment for ich and then  what looked like tail rot but am cutting back on salt(used iodized salt as that s all i have on hand.) . -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a gold fish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given oint in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You imply do not give us enough informa tion to advise you to take any path ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish vailable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`· .¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35619	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

no driftwood. have a topfin filter that came with starter tank. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:41 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish [Giving you a two for one answer here to both your replies to my reply] Having test kits for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH is one of the requirements of keeping fish. You can get a master test kit for around $20 on the low side (Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (API)). With the fish in a 10 gallon tank, you should be doing at least 25% water changes on a daily basis to get the water parameters back into line and remove the wastes and chemicals we cannot or do not test for. The yellowish tinge is a bad sign, unless there is driftwood in the tank that is leaching tannins, and even then, that may not do the goldfish much good. You do not mention filtration, but you do need a filter to help you out, and filter solid wastes as well as giving the nitrogenous waste bacteria a bed to colonize so they can help regular the nitrogenous wastes in your tank. Look up the posts on Dr. Tim's One and Only here in the list archives. There were some posts on it earlier today, and we were favored with a visit from Dr. Tim himself a few days ago. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > dont know as i dont have any test kits > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > > > When a goldfish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among > ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. > he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the > ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be > ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing > lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly > ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given > oint in their lives. > What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? > ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You > imply do not give us enough information to advise you to take any path > ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water > hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish > vailable. > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > n Behalf Of > angelandchase49@... > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish > > one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that > hey are signs of > healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia? > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ha [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35620	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: black spots n goldfish

Guppies can be kept at room temp without a problem as long as the room temp isn't too cold. If you go with guppies, just get males so you don't have a problem with being overloaded by the females popping out tons of babies which will then have you right back in the same boat with water quality and overstocking issues. Besides, the males are prettier anyhow. ;-) Read over this page, mainly the section dealing with Guppies for more details. http://fish.mongabay.com/poeciliidae.htm Here's my blog article about what works well in a 10G tank so you can have a lot more options. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking-list.h tml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish Do guppies need a heater? -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish For now, you should be doing DAILY 50% PWC's (partial water changes) with dechlored tap water of the similar temperature every day. A 10G definitely is way too small. Regular common goldfish will need a HUGE tank 6' to 8' long, at least 75G per goldfish... and even that's pushing things as they get bigger. Doing the daily PWC's will at least give them a fighting chance at getting/staying healthy until you get a much larger tank or find a suitable home for them... preferably in a nice sized pond in someone's back yard. The yellow tinge is likely from the pee and poo from the goldfish dissolving in the water. Since it's so bad, disregard my earlier comment about daily 50% PWC's and start off with 10% PWC's 5-6 times a day for a couple of days before switching to large PWC's or the fish could go into shock from such a drastic change in their water. They actually acclimate to BAD water so they have to be slowly acclimated back to good water. After a few days, then you can do one 50% PWC each day and that should keep things in half-way decent shape until you get the BIG tank or find them a new home since money is an issue. Your 10G tank can have a lot of different types of tropical or cool water fish... but NOT goldfish. Go to the A to Z page on my blog and start reading and take the two free online tutorials. I also have an article about 10G tank stocking suggestions so you will know what to look for when you finally move the goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish have 2 used to have 3 but one died. I rescued them and got a 10 gallon tank am saving up for a bigger tank as i am on a fixed income.  I did not have a chance to cycle the tanke properly(didnt even know i was supposed to) before  I put them in the tank  I think they are just reagular gold fish not real familiar with breeds of goldfish. the article i read said that high amts can be caused by high amonia and the water has a yellow tinge to it I have been doing salt treatment for ich and then  what looked like tail rot but am cutting back on salt(used iodized salt as that s all i have on hand.) . -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish When a gold fish is exposed to bad water quality, which includes, among ther things, ammonia, the normal reaction is blood streaks in the fins. he fins will also become ragged and deteriorate from there. If the ater quality is bad enough for long enough, the gills may also be ffected. I have never heard of high ammonia, or high anything, causing lack spots on the body of a goldfish. Goldfish coloration is highly ariable, and it is not uncommon for them to change color at any given oint in their lives. What re the water parameters in the tank that you have your goldfish in? ow large is the tank? What kind of goldfish? What size are they? You imply do not give us enough informa tion to advise you to take any path ther than to practice good aquarium maintenance with regular water hanges and ensuring that you have at least 30 gallons per goldfish vailable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] n Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] black spots n goldfish one of the 2 I have left has them.What research I have done says that hey are signs of healing from amonia burnns. How do I get rid of excess amonia?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35621	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

I spent the evening thinking about what I wanted to do with my 29g once I am able to move my goldfish over to the 55g. I think I have it figured out now and am no longer so disappointed about the rainbow fish. I will include a few of the smaller rainbows you suggested, Ray, and some other peaceful species who will be compatible to have the enjoyable tank I am seeking. I'll be trying species I have never tried before so I am glad I found this group to help me if I get into trouble with them! Now I am getting anxious for my LFS to finally get my new filter in so I can get my 55g set up (once the filter becomes established with the bacteria from the old aquarium) and then get moving on this 29g. Thanks to all of you for all you do. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:10 PM Thanks Ray and Donna, I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I think I want something with more variety in the color even though those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my technique caused their behavior? Thank you, again for your advice. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are some great looking ones available, however most get too large for your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, but again, you would need a larger tank. Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These put all others to shame. One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/   I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > they are active and sociable. > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > is on the far right and a female > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > incisus male on top, and part > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > bottom. > > Deb . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35622	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Goldfish Question

Hi everyone, Sorry to pepper you with questions recently. I do have one more that occurred to me recently and I thought this just might be the group to answer it. I have a female common fantail goldfish. I think she is about two years old (I don't remember exactly when I got her). She currently lives alone in my 29g aquarium and is about to get moved to a larger aquarium. She is about 7 inches now and so very ready to move! I am wondering when goldfish reach their maximum size? I have never had such a large goldfish and do not know what to expect. I know how large goldfish get, but now how long it takes for them to get there. It seems like her growth in length slowed way down a while back, but she has filled out during the slowdown, I have noticed. The 29g has certainly gotten some ammonia in it because of the need to move her though I am doing water changes and I have enough filtration for an 80g aquarium trying to help her. I'll keep limping it along until I get this move finished. She'll be so HAPPY!! I am wondering whether her growth is likely to have been stunted because she has been in the 29g aquarium this long? If I could have afforded a larger tank earlier, she would have been moved. I did look around for another home for her but only found places with other fish and knew that she did not do well with tank mates, even as a baby fish. She just freaks when something brushes up against her or goes near her in the water (except me sometimes). She needs to be a solo fish in her home. Thanks for your opinions. Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35623	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question

Her growth likely slowed down to the stunting that is taking place from being in the undersized tank. There's a chance she'll start growing again once she's in the 55G but even the 55G is too small for a long-bodied goldfish since it doesn't give them much swimming room. She likely will not reach full size in a 55G either but it's certainly nearly a 100% improvement over the 29G so as long as you keep up a frequent PWC schedule and take other steps to improve the ecology, you'll be giving her a much better chance at living a much longer and healthier life. A 55G is OK for one or two round-bodied goldfish since they are not as much of swimmers but weekly PWC's and tank/filter maintenance is still needed since round-bodied goldfish still have very similar body mass to the long-bodied variants. While it's true that most fish will self-stunt themselves so they do not outgrow their homes, this stunting process also causes a lot of stress to the fish which ultimately leads to health issues and a much shorter lifespan.. and could be a reason why your fish is so jittery. The stunting process which is caused by various hormone levels in their water, is not something us hobbyists can test for but by reading scientific reports done for the fisheries industry, they've learned that by doing LOTS of water changing and using advanced filtration (something else we do not have yet), they can remove/dilute/flush out these hormones so the farm raised fish, who are grossly overstocked as well, still grow at a rapid rate so they can get them to market at the largest size possible in as short a period of time... otherwise we wouldn't have an abundant supply of affordable fresh fried catfish fingers or your other fish meal du jour! ;-) If you've been reading all of the other threads out here, you will have seen us recently discussing water bridges, U-tubes, etc. as ways to connect two tanks so that you increase the total water volume of the system. This allows for better dilution of hormones and waste in between the weekly tank/filter maintenance. Also, if you were to connect the two tanks, you could turn the 29G into a planted tank and even put in a school of minnow type fish like zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc... or I think you might have been talking about dwarf killifish or something as long as they do OK at room temperatures. That would add very little bioload to the system, yet still give you "life" in the 29G... and still allow the goldfishes waste and hormones to be diluted and naturally filtered by the live plants in the 29G. While a water bridge would allow the fish to swim between the two tanks, you do not really want this since your bigger goldfish might look at the minnow type fish as snacks.. so the U-tubes with filter intake screens on them would prevent fish from moving between the tanks and are much less expensive. If you do not like this idea, then you could still add certain live plants to the 55G which would help with the overall ecology of the tank and since you say your goldfish is shy, the plants will afford it a better sense of security. Are you doing proper filter maintenance also? Waiting too long between doing filter cleaning will not only clog up the filters but also start allowing the detritus to break down and go into solution called DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) or TDS (total dissolved solids), neither of which are good for the fish since they have to breathe these things... much like us humans shouldn't be breathing a lot of the junk we breathe. My blog has a long article on filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Hi everyone, Sorry to pepper you with questions recently. I do have one more that occurred to me recently and I thought this just might be the group to answer it. I have a female common fantail goldfish. I think she is about two years old (I don't remember exactly when I got her). She currently lives alone in my 29g aquarium and is about to get moved to a larger aquarium. She is about 7 inches now and so very ready to move! I am wondering when goldfish reach their maximum size? I have never had such a large goldfish and do not know what to expect. I know how large goldfish get, but now how long it takes for them to get there. It seems like her growth in length slowed way down a while back, but she has filled out during the slowdown, I have noticed. The 29g has certainly gotten some ammonia in it because of the need to move her though I am doing water changes and I have enough filtration for an 80g aquarium trying to help her. I'll keep limping it along until I get this move finished. She'll be so HAPPY!! I am wondering whether her growth is likely to have been stunted because she has been in the 29g aquarium this long? If I could have afforded a larger tank earlier, she would have been moved. I did look around for another home for her but only found places with other fish and knew that she did not do well with tank mates, even as a baby fish. She just freaks when something brushes up against her or goes near her in the water (except me sometimes). She needs to be a solo fish in her home. Thanks for your opinions. Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35624	From: Darlene	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Q; Bristle nose plecos

are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? or is that an albino? i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker plecos ................. Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35625	From: Chris Owens	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry fi

Ok, my arms simply aren't long enough apparently to do this by simply leaning in and applying the sealant around the nozzles directly. Does anyone have a helpful hint on how to do this? The nozzles are in the back of a 125g freshwater reef ready aquarium at the bottom of the back left tower. I have sealed it from underneath fairly well (I can reach it without a prob by going in thru the cabinet) and I think I did a fairly good job, but it's still leaking from around the edges of the fitting. Wet/dry filter is currently turned off and I am using two Fluval 305's in the meantime but I really prefer the other to be on as well. How do "ya'll" do this? Chris in Linden, VA

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35626	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more length. I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male rather than just a pair. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I think I want something with more variety in the color even though those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my technique caused their behavior? > > Thank you, again for your advice. > Deb > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > put all others to shame. > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn > > more about them. > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/   I > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35627	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

They come in a brown mottled color and the pale color almost a yellowish white depending on lighting and of course if you're looking at a pic or in person ;). I've heard that the albino's are more popular, I like both colors myself. Amber Darlene wrote: > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > or is that an albino? > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > plecos ................. > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35628	From: pam andress	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

There are all sorts of Bristle Nose plecos. Browns, albinos, calicos, etc. short fin and long fin. I have one female albino that looks yellow at times and I have a male that is almost white on his head. You can go to planetcatfish.com and see all sorts of plecos. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: amazonbirds@...: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:00:51 -0500Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color?or is that an albino?i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker plecos .................Darlene[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35629	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Alternative to API test tubes?

i just suggessted the blood tubes w/ red tops because i am clumsy too and as a visiting nurse i had the unfortunate opportunuty to have dropped them and luckily they didn't break! lol, i have broken many tank heaters due to clumsiness too! --- On Mon, 1/12/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:21 AM My wife wants me to make it a padded cell so I dont break anymore tubes plus she could lock me in there. I dont see any problems with that!! --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Trish Souza <trish701922@ ...> wrote: > > good idea! indoor/outdoor carpet!!! artificial turf even!!! ha ha we are a smart AND funny group! lmao > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, William <dreammaker2623@ ...> wrote: > > From: William <dreammaker2623@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you thought about putting some indoor out door carpeting down > > where you test your tanks so that they might not break if you drop > > them. Or maybe put a bath towel down when you are bout to test, > > something that will break the fall of the glass but not break the > > glass. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "turbocoupe76" > > <turbocoupe76@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > No blood is fine, its the glass part that worries me ...see my > > > original post :) > > > > > > > > > > whatsammatta noone likes the idea of using blood tubes? they are > > > glass but small enough if you get the red tops theres nothing in > > them > > > to prevent coagulation either > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that type of plastic. Polypropolene is pretty > > > tough stuff and it's very > > > > > > > > clear. This chart > > > > > > > > http://www.engineer ingtoolbox. com/polypropylen e-pp-chemical- > > > resistance- d_435 > > > > > > > > .html shows that it gets mostly 1's (excellent) for most stuff. > > It > > > does > > > > > > > > poorly with the acetone's and solvents and stuff that melts most > > > other > > > > > > > > plastics though. We don't use any of that in our test kits > > > though.. just > > > > > > > > don't let your wife near them when she's cleaning the polish off > > her > > > > > > > > nails.... or you if you're into that. LOL Some of my other test > > > kit brands > > > > > > > > have plastic test tubes and work fine with those kits and with > > API's > > > > > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > > > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Alternative to API test tubes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the plastic wouldnt affect my test results or discolor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sciences tuff.com/ prod/L-testTubeX /1011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana Rasmussen > > > > > > > > > Seattle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·..¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > > ((((º> > > > > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to > > > > > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > > the SUBJECT > > > > > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35630	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though they are brown. Wendie PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! ----- Original Message ----- From: Darlene To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? or is that an albino? i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker plecos ................. Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35631	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a fish person. My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major problem among fish folks. Thank you, again, for all of your help. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more length. I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male rather than just a pair. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I think I want something with more variety in the color even though those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my technique caused their behavior? > > Thank you, again for your advice. > Deb > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > put all others to shame. > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn > > more about them. > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/   I > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35632	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Lenny. So what I think I am getting from this is "we don't really know, but possibly"? You mentioned that you thought she was jittery. My fish isn't jittery. I think someone else had recently written about some goldfish who were, but it is understandable that we get one another confused from time to time. So far this fish has not shown any signs of stress. I think I have seen her go over to hang out near the filter on 3 different occasions since I have had her and so did a PWC on those occasions. Those were the only occasions I noticed signs in the fish that worried me. She is a beautiful specimen with a long flowing tale fin who swims gracefully around and seems to love to show off to the people and cats when we give her attention. The 55 gallon I have is the same length as a 75 gallon, not quite as wide (I believe it is 48 inches). I would love to give her a 125 gallon, but just can't. I am planning to get a Rena XP 3 for her new tank as soon as our LFS gets them back in stock. They ran out the day I went to get them because they had a great sale on them. They agreed to give me the sale price when they get them back in since I asked for them while they were on sale. If anyone does find out more about how fast goldfish typically grow, I would be interested in learning more. I also wondered whether females grow as large as males? Please don't tell me they grow larger! LOL! Thanks, Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:18 AM Her growth likely slowed down to the stunting that is taking place from being in the undersized tank. There's a chance she'll start growing again once she's in the 55G but even the 55G is too small for a long-bodied goldfish since it doesn't give them much swimming room. She likely will not reach full size in a 55G either but it's certainly nearly a 100% improvement over the 29G so as long as you keep up a frequent PWC schedule and take other steps to improve the ecology, you'll be giving her a much better chance at living a much longer and healthier life. A 55G is OK for one or two round-bodied goldfish since they are not as much of swimmers but weekly PWC's and tank/filter maintenance is still needed since round-bodied goldfish still have very similar body mass to the long-bodied variants. While it's true that most fish will self-stunt themselves so they do not outgrow their homes, this stunting process also causes a lot of stress to the fish which ultimately leads to health issues and a much shorter lifespan.. and could be a reason why your fish is so jittery. The stunting process which is caused by various hormone levels in their water, is not something us hobbyists can test for but by reading scientific reports done for the fisheries industry, they've learned that by doing LOTS of water changing and using advanced filtration (something else we do not have yet), they can remove/dilute/ flush out these hormones so the farm raised fish, who are grossly overstocked as well, still grow at a rapid rate so they can get them to market at the largest size possible in as short a period of time... otherwise we wouldn't have an abundant supply of affordable fresh fried catfish fingers or your other fish meal du jour! ;-) If you've been reading all of the other threads out here, you will have seen us recently discussing water bridges, U-tubes, etc. as ways to connect two tanks so that you increase the total water volume of the system. This allows for better dilution of hormones and waste in between the weekly tank/filter maintenance. Also, if you were to connect the two tanks, you could turn the 29G into a planted tank and even put in a school of minnow type fish like zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc... or I think you might have been talking about dwarf killifish or something as long as they do OK at room temperatures. That would add very little bioload to the system, yet still give you "life" in the 29G... and still allow the goldfishes waste and hormones to be diluted and naturally filtered by the live plants in the 29G. While a water bridge would allow the fish to swim between the two tanks, you do not really want this since your bigger goldfish might look at the minnow type fish as snacks.. so the U-tubes with filter intake screens on them would prevent fish from moving between the tanks and are much less expensive. If you do not like this idea, then you could still add certain live plants to the 55G which would help with the overall ecology of the tank and since you say your goldfish is shy, the plants will afford it a better sense of security. Are you doing proper filter maintenance also? Waiting too long between doing filter cleaning will not only clog up the filters but also start allowing the detritus to break down and go into solution called DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) or TDS (total dissolved solids), neither of which are good for the fish since they have to breathe these things... much like us humans shouldn't be breathing a lot of the junk we breathe. My blog has a long article on filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:51 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Hi everyone, Sorry to pepper you with questions recently. I do have one more that occurred to me recently and I thought this just might be the group to answer it. I have a female common fantail goldfish. I think she is about two years old (I don't remember exactly when I got her). She currently lives alone in my 29g aquarium and is about to get moved to a larger aquarium. She is about 7 inches now and so very ready to move! I am wondering when goldfish reach their maximum size? I have never had such a large goldfish and do not know what to expect. I know how large goldfish get, but now how long it takes for them to get there. It seems like her growth in length slowed way down a while back, but she has filled out during the slowdown, I have noticed. The 29g has certainly gotten some ammonia in it because of the need to move her though I am doing water changes and I have enough filtration for an 80g aquarium trying to help her. I'll keep limping it along until I get this move finished. She'll be so HAPPY!! I am wondering whether her growth is likely to have been stunted because she has been in the 29g aquarium this long? If I could have afforded a larger tank earlier, she would have been moved. I did look around for another home for her but only found places with other fish and knew that she did not do well with tank mates, even as a baby fish. She just freaks when something brushes up against her or goes near her in the water (except me sometimes). She needs to be a solo fish in her home. Thanks for your opinions. Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question

The reason I used the term "jittery" is because you said she freaks out whenever anything comes near her or touches her... I call that pretty jittery since goldfish are usually very social fish and during feeding, they're like piranha... swimming, flipping and crawling all over each other. LOL ;-) Female goldfish should grow to around the same size as males except they will be a little plumber when carrying eggs. Many species of fish actually have the females getting bigger than male fish of the species but I haven't seen this with goldfish. As far as the stunting... it's absolutely, positively, definite that she's stunted right now... but whether it's permanent and to what degree is something we won't know unless or until she's in a large enough water space and then see how she grows out. I've seen some fish that were severely stunted, start growing fast again when moved to a proper sized home where other fish did not. I rescued a common pleco from a 10G tank back in 2005 and it was only 4" long after two years in that 10G tank. I put it in my 65G tank and it grew to 10" in the next 18 months where it was then getting too big for my 65G. Since Katrina hit and I haven't been able to upgrade my tanks (and have actually downsized the numbers), I rehomed the pleco to my LFS for $25.00 store credit and they sold him the next day to a BIG tank owner.. I think they said a 150G. I probably should have tried to stay in touch to see how he's doing but I certainly wouldn't want to hear that he died or anything like that so I've stayed out of the loop. I can tell you that two year old comets in a pond (not overstocked) are a foot long or more. Tank kept goldfish do not usually grow as large as pond kept goldfish due to the stunting issues we've already discussed. Normally, goldfish should grow to around 80% of their expected adult size in the first 2-3 years... some faster, some slower, based on genetics but more commonly having to do with water quality, overstocking, etc... but the biggest growth spurt happens in the first year, then fast growth still happens in the 2nd and 3rd years at pretty fast rates and then slows down dramatically for the next 20 years... kind of like humans who grow from a couple of cells to near adult size in 18-20 years and then not much more over the next 50+ years... well not much more bone growth at least.. only bigger around for some of us. LOL I've never come across a well studied goldfish growth chart.. mainly because there are still so many goldfish being kept in undersized homes... but here is a Koi Growth Chart http://www.coloradokoi.com/koisize.htm which shows how fast they grow in the first few years and reach 30" in the first eight years... but Koi live much longer than goldfish so they are slower growers by proportion, but if you use proportional math where a common goldfish lives 20+ years and a Koi lives 60+ years, then the goldfish should reach near full size in the first 2-3 years where a Koi reaches near full size in 6-8 years (27" after 6 years and 30" after 8 years, so only 1" per year in years 6 and 7, where their first two years saw 8" per year average). Here's a snip from my own article condemning the so-called 1" rule that kills so many fish, yet permeates due to bad fish store advice given to people and posted in so many websites. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html (START SNIP) Proposed MINIMUM recommendations for aquariums with multiple fish. These MINIMUMS do not work when only one LARGER fish is alone in the tank... in that case, use the "Tank Size Guideline" below: Small Fish - 1 Gallon per adult size inch for fish up to 3 inches as adults. (This is the only type of fish that fits in the 1" per gallon rule. Fish that will be small even as adults.) (Also see Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking List And Suggestions ) Medium Fish - 2 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 3" to 6" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 24" to 48" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank) Medium Large Fish (including most Fancy Goldfish) - 3 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 6" to 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 48" to 80" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank). Large Fish (including Oscars, Common Pleco's, Comets and Common Goldfish) - 5 Gallons per adult size inch for fish over 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 80" long and UP depending on expected adult size of fish using the basis of 8X longer than the longest expected adult sized fish in the tank. Koi should really be in a large pond since most aquariums are not large enough unless you have a HUGE tank. NOTE - When measuring your fish, do NOT include the tail. Measure from the base of the tail, where it connects to the body. We are more concerned with body mass for figuring out bioload in a tank. Some fish like Angelfish, Discus, round-bodied Goldfish, etc., should probably have the length and width added together to come up with a more accurate comparison to long-bodied fish. (END SNIP - see link above for full article, comments, etc.) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Lenny. So what I think I am getting from this is "we don't really know, but possibly"? You mentioned that you thought she was jittery. My fish isn't jittery. I think someone else had recently written about some goldfish who were, but it is understandable that we get one another confused from time to time. So far this fish has not shown any signs of stress. I think I have seen her go over to hang out near the filter on 3 different occasions since I have had her and so did a PWC on those occasions. Those were the only occasions I noticed signs in the fish that worried me. She is a beautiful specimen with a long flowing tale fin who swims gracefully around and seems to love to show off to the people and cats when we give her attention. The 55 gallon I have is the same length as a 75 gallon, not quite as wide (I believe it is 48 inches). I would love to give her a 125 gallon, but just can't. I am planning to get a Rena XP 3 for her new tank as soon as our LFS gets them back in stock. They ran out the day I went to get them because they had a great sale on them. They agreed to give me the sale price when they get them back in since I asked for them while they were on sale. If anyone does find out more about how fast goldfish typically grow, I would be interested in learning more. I also wondered whether females grow as large as males? Please don't tell me they grow larger! LOL! Thanks, Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:18 AM Her growth likely slowed down to the stunting that is taking place from being in the undersized tank. There's a chance she'll start growing again once she's in the 55G but even the 55G is too small for a long-bodied goldfish since it doesn't give them much swimming room. She likely will not reach full size in a 55G either but it's certainly nearly a 100% improvement over the 29G so as long as you keep up a frequent PWC schedule and take other steps to improve the ecology, you'll be giving her a much better chance at living a much longer and healthier life. A 55G is OK for one or two round-bodied goldfish since they are not as much of swimmers but weekly PWC's and tank/filter maintenance is still needed since round-bodied goldfish still have very similar body mass to the long-bodied variants. While it's true that most fish will self-stunt themselves so they do not outgrow their homes, this stunting process also causes a lot of stress to the fish which ultimately leads to health issues and a much shorter lifespan.. and could be a reason why your fish is so jittery. The stunting process which is caused by various hormone levels in their water, is not something us hobbyists can test for but by reading scientific reports done for the fisheries industry, they've learned that by doing LOTS of water changing and using advanced filtration (something else we do not have yet), they can remove/dilute/ flush out these hormones so the farm raised fish, who are grossly overstocked as well, still grow at a rapid rate so they can get them to market at the largest size possible in as short a period of time... otherwise we wouldn't have an abundant supply of affordable fresh fried catfish fingers or your other fish meal du jour! ;-) If you've been reading all of the other threads out here, you will have seen us recently discussing water bridges, U-tubes, etc. as ways to connect two tanks so that you increase the total water volume of the system. This allows for better dilution of hormones and waste in between the weekly tank/filter maintenance. Also, if you were to connect the two tanks, you could turn the 29G into a planted tank and even put in a school of minnow type fish like zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc... or I think you might have been talking about dwarf killifish or something as long as they do OK at room temperatures. That would add very little bioload to the system, yet still give you "life" in the 29G... and still allow the goldfishes waste and hormones to be diluted and naturally filtered by the live plants in the 29G. While a water bridge would allow the fish to swim between the two tanks, you do not really want this since your bigger goldfish might look at the minnow type fish as snacks.. so the U-tubes with filter intake screens on them would prevent fish from moving between the tanks and are much less expensive. If you do not like this idea, then you could still add certain live plants to the 55G which would help with the overall ecology of the tank and since you say your goldfish is shy, the plants will afford it a better sense of security. Are you doing proper filter maintenance also? Waiting too long between doing filter cleaning will not only clog up the filters but also start allowing the detritus to break down and go into solution called DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) or TDS (total dissolved solids), neither of which are good for the fish since they have to breathe these things... much like us humans shouldn't be breathing a lot of the junk we breathe. My blog has a long article on filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:51 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Hi everyone, Sorry to pepper you with questions recently. I do have one more that occurred to me recently and I thought this just might be the group to answer it. I have a female common fantail goldfish. I think she is about two years old (I don't remember exactly when I got her). She currently lives alone in my 29g aquarium and is about to get moved to a larger aquarium. She is about 7 inches now and so very ready to move! I am wondering when goldfish reach their maximum size? I have never had such a large goldfish and do not know what to expect. I know how large goldfish get, but now how long it takes for them to get there. It seems like her growth in length slowed way down a while back, but she has filled out during the slowdown, I have noticed. The 29g has certainly gotten some ammonia in it because of the need to move her though I am doing water changes and I have enough filtration for an 80g aquarium trying to help her. I'll keep limping it along until I get this move finished. She'll be so HAPPY!! I am wondering whether her growth is likely to have been stunted because she has been in the 29g aquarium this long? If I could have afforded a larger tank earlier, she would have been moved. I did look around for another home for her but only found places with other fish and knew that she did not do well with tank mates, even as a baby fish. She just freaks when something brushes up against her or goes near her in the water (except me sometimes). She needs to be a solo fish in her home. Thanks for your opinions. Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35634	From: Darlene	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! thank you for the kind offer but i only need the one and live up in Canada ! :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35635	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf kind, if that's the case, hehe. At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). Amber Wendie wrote: > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though > they are brown. > Wendie > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darlene > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > or is that an albino? > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > plecos ................. > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35636	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon light LED's). I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any new fish in a couple months. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > fish person. > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > problem among fish folks. > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com>> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > length. > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > Deb > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > always > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > obtained > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > Seven- > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > locations > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > have > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > I > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > learn > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > it > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35637	From: latexluvr2001	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Discus enthusiasts

Are there any discus keepers out there?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35638	From: bill1433	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Reverse a Reverse??

� I recently setup a 29-gallon tank (1-4-09) and used the entire contents of a 5-gallon hex to do it.� Gravel, fish and of course, the filter media.. � The thinking here (if I have learned my lessons correctly) is that most tanks setup new require that the filter media first has to be colonized with ammonia-converting bacteria.� This entire process should take place in about 4 weeks -- but often takes up to 5 or 6 weeks. � Monitoring all levels so far; I have not had any issues.� pH in the tank is about 5.5 with no ammonia levels at all and PWC�s were begun after the first week at the rate of 25%.� GH and KH are just about nonexistent, which is perfectly normal according to my well water base line. � All this is being said, and assuming that NO issues or ammonia spikes occur or any other problems with water parameters after a run-in period of 6 weeks, can this process be reversed? � By that I mean this.� Can I again remove some of the colonized filter media, some of the top layer of the gravel of the current running tank, and begin the cycle all over again by starting another tank up following this same procedure? � Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35639	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Just so it doesn’t happen again, better not to make tank size judgements by websites that are selling fish. Only go by websites or forums that have no profit incentive, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? I spent the evening thinking about what I wanted to do with my 29g once I am able to move my goldfish over to the 55g. I think I have it figured out now and am no longer so disappointed about the rainbow fish. I will include a few of the smaller rainbows you suggested, Ray, and some other peaceful species who will be compatible to have the enjoyable tank I am seeking. I'll be trying species I have never tried before so I am glad I found this group to help me if I get into trouble with them! Now I am getting anxious for my LFS to finally get my new filter in so I can get my 55g set up (once the filter becomes established with the bacteria from the old aquarium) and then get moving on this 29g. Thanks to all of you for all you do. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@yahoo. <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@yahoo. <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> com> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:10 PM Thanks Ray and Donna, I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I think I want something with more variety in the color even though those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my technique caused their behavior? Thank you, again for your advice. Deb --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank fish, and a bit more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've always enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are some great looking ones available, however most get too large for your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, but again, you would need a larger tank. Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first obtained in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, Seven- Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different locations of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These put all others to shame. One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not have as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. I saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to learn more about them. > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I could not get the information for the exact page in order to share it with you. Sorry. > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > they are active and sociable. > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > is on the far right and a female > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > incisus male on top, and part > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > bottom. > > Deb . 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35640	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??

Yes, but it's easier just to run the new filter on the old tank (along with the old tank existing filter) for 2 weeks in advance of setting up tank #3. As long as the fishload of tank #3 is equivalent to tank #2 then you will have no cycle. Same goes for the transition from 5G to 29G. If your fishload is the same and you transferred all the bacteria (filter, gravel), then you should have no cycle. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:14 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Reverse a Reverse??   I recently setup a 29-gallon tank (1-4-09) and used the entire contents of a 5-gallon hex to do it.  Gravel, fish and of course, the filter media..   The thinking here (if I have learned my lessons correctly) is that most tanks setup new require that the filter media first has to be colonized with ammonia-converting bacteria.  This entire process should take place in about 4 weeks -- but often takes up to 5 or 6 weeks.   Monitoring all levels so far; I have not had any issues.  pH in the tank is about 5.5 with no ammonia levels at all and PWC¢s were begun after the first week at the rate of 25%.  GH and KH are just about nonexistent, which is perfectly normal according to my well water base line.   All this is being said, and assuming that NO issues or ammonia spikes occur or any other problems with water parameters after a run-in period of 6 weeks, can this process be reversed?   By that I mean this.  Can I again remove some of the colonized filter media, some of the top layer of the gravel of the current running tank, and begin the cycle all over again by starting another tank up following this same procedure?   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35641	From: bruce cohen	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "latexluvr2001" <latexluvr2001@...> wrote: > > Are there any discus keepers out there? > yes I keep discus in an eclipse 2 with live plants

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35642	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

darn! I dumped about 50 on the local pet store when they were younger. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Darlene To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! thank you for the kind offer but i only need the one and live up in Canada ! :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35643	From: pam andress	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: piercedarrow_107@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35644	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

Amber, "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made for under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would be better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > Amber > > Wendie wrote: > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though > > they are brown. > > Wendie > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Darlene > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > or is that an albino? > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > > plecos ................. > > Darlene > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35645	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made for > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would be > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though > > > they are brown. > > > Wendie > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Darlene > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > or is that an albino? > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > > > plecos ................. > > > Darlene > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35646	From: bluemoon331@comcast.net	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

I keep a few in an Amazon set-up, two blue and a pigeon blood. They are a gorgeous fish. Myron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "latexluvr2001" <latexluvr2001@...> Are there any discus keepers out there? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35647	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??

Well that's not quite a reverse I think ;) It'd be a reverse if you were putting all the media back into the 5 gallon and tearing down the 29 gallon ;) LOL. But yes, from what I understand (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), you can keep using media from established tanks to start up a new tank, there might be a mini cycle at most, but the bacteria will repopulate fairly fast once they are set up with the nutrients they require (ammonia/nitrite). Amber bill1433 wrote: > > I recently setup a 29-gallon tank (1-4-09) and used the entire contents > of a 5-gallon hex to do it. Gravel, fish and of course, the filter media.. > > The thinking here (if I have learned my lessons correctly) is that most tanks setup new require that the filter media first has to be colonized with ammonia-converting bacteria. This entire process should take place in about 4 weeks -- but often takes up to 5 or 6 weeks. > > Monitoring all levels so far; I have not had any issues. pH in the tank is about 5.5 with no ammonia levels at all and PWC¢s were begun after the first week at the rate of 25%. GH and KH are just about nonexistent, which is perfectly normal according to my well water base line. > > All this is being said, and assuming that NO issues or ammonia spikes occur or any other problems with water parameters after a run-in period of 6 weeks, can this process be reversed? > > By that I mean this. Can I again remove some of the colonized filter media, some of the top layer of the gravel of the current running tank, and begin the cycle all over again by starting another tank up following this same procedure? > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35648	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish Question

This was very informative! Thanks so much for all of the information. I wonder if we should post your information in the files someplace under "goldfish growth" or something like that for others who may come along with similar questions? Looking through old posts on such an active site can be overwhelming! Do you think the XP 3 is sufficient for the 55 gallon tank or do I need to get the XP 4? I was afraid the water flow would be too much for that size of tank. I can always add a canister as a booster inside the aquarium if it starts showing ammonia once she grows further, I suppose. Here's hoping less damage than it appears in my goldfish. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:52 PM The reason I used the term "jittery" is because you said she freaks out whenever anything comes near her or touches her... I call that pretty jittery since goldfish are usually very social fish and during feeding, they're like piranha... swimming, flipping and crawling all over each other. LOL ;-) Female goldfish should grow to around the same size as males except they will be a little plumber when carrying eggs. Many species of fish actually have the females getting bigger than male fish of the species but I haven't seen this with goldfish. As far as the stunting... it's absolutely, positively, definite that she's stunted right now... but whether it's permanent and to what degree is something we won't know unless or until she's in a large enough water space and then see how she grows out. I've seen some fish that were severely stunted, start growing fast again when moved to a proper sized home where other fish did not. I rescued a common pleco from a 10G tank back in 2005 and it was only 4" long after two years in that 10G tank. I put it in my 65G tank and it grew to 10" in the next 18 months where it was then getting too big for my 65G. Since Katrina hit and I haven't been able to upgrade my tanks (and have actually downsized the numbers), I rehomed the pleco to my LFS for $25.00 store credit and they sold him the next day to a BIG tank owner.. I think they said a 150G. I probably should have tried to stay in touch to see how he's doing but I certainly wouldn't want to hear that he died or anything like that so I've stayed out of the loop. I can tell you that two year old comets in a pond (not overstocked) are a foot long or more. Tank kept goldfish do not usually grow as large as pond kept goldfish due to the stunting issues we've already discussed. Normally, goldfish should grow to around 80% of their expected adult size in the first 2-3 years... some faster, some slower, based on genetics but more commonly having to do with water quality, overstocking, etc... but the biggest growth spurt happens in the first year, then fast growth still happens in the 2nd and 3rd years at pretty fast rates and then slows down dramatically for the next 20 years... kind of like humans who grow from a couple of cells to near adult size in 18-20 years and then not much more over the next 50+ years... well not much more bone growth at least.. only bigger around for some of us. LOL I've never come across a well studied goldfish growth chart.. mainly because there are still so many goldfish being kept in undersized homes... but here is a Koi Growth Chart http://www.colorado koi.com/koisize. htm which shows how fast they grow in the first few years and reach 30" in the first eight years... but Koi live much longer than goldfish so they are slower growers by proportion, but if you use proportional math where a common goldfish lives 20+ years and a Koi lives 60+ years, then the goldfish should reach near full size in the first 2-3 years where a Koi reaches near full size in 6-8 years (27" after 6 years and 30" after 8 years, so only 1" per year in years 6 and 7, where their first two years saw 8" per year average). Here's a snip from my own article condemning the so-called 1" rule that kills so many fish, yet permeates due to bad fish store advice given to people and posted in so many websites. http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/new-rules- guidelines- to-replace- 1-per. html (START SNIP) Proposed MINIMUM recommendations for aquariums with multiple fish. These MINIMUMS do not work when only one LARGER fish is alone in the tank... in that case, use the "Tank Size Guideline" below: Small Fish - 1 Gallon per adult size inch for fish up to 3 inches as adults. (This is the only type of fish that fits in the 1" per gallon rule. Fish that will be small even as adults.) (Also see Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking List And Suggestions ) Medium Fish - 2 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 3" to 6" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 24" to 48" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank) Medium Large Fish (including most Fancy Goldfish) - 3 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 6" to 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 48" to 80" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank). Large Fish (including Oscars, Common Pleco's, Comets and Common Goldfish) - 5 Gallons per adult size inch for fish over 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 80" long and UP depending on expected adult size of fish using the basis of 8X longer than the longest expected adult sized fish in the tank. Koi should really be in a large pond since most aquariums are not large enough unless you have a HUGE tank. NOTE - When measuring your fish, do NOT include the tail. Measure from the base of the tail, where it connects to the body. We are more concerned with body mass for figuring out bioload in a tank. Some fish like Angelfish, Discus, round-bodied Goldfish, etc., should probably have the length and width added together to come up with a more accurate comparison to long-bodied fish. (END SNIP - see link above for full article, comments, etc.) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Lenny. So what I think I am getting from this is "we don't really know, but possibly"? You mentioned that you thought she was jittery. My fish isn't jittery. I think someone else had recently written about some goldfish who were, but it is understandable that we get one another confused from time to time. So far this fish has not shown any signs of stress. I think I have seen her go over to hang out near the filter on 3 different occasions since I have had her and so did a PWC on those occasions. Those were the only occasions I noticed signs in the fish that worried me. She is a beautiful specimen with a long flowing tale fin who swims gracefully around and seems to love to show off to the people and cats when we give her attention. The 55 gallon I have is the same length as a 75 gallon, not quite as wide (I believe it is 48 inches). I would love to give her a 125 gallon, but just can't. I am planning to get a Rena XP 3 for her new tank as soon as our LFS gets them back in stock. They ran out the day I went to get them because they had a great sale on them. They agreed to give me the sale price when they get them back in since I asked for them while they were on sale. If anyone does find out more about how fast goldfish typically grow, I would be interested in learning more. I also wondered whether females grow as large as males? Please don't tell me they grow larger! LOL! Thanks, Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:18 AM Her growth likely slowed down to the stunting that is taking place from being in the undersized tank. There's a chance she'll start growing again once she's in the 55G but even the 55G is too small for a long-bodied goldfish since it doesn't give them much swimming room. She likely will not reach full size in a 55G either but it's certainly nearly a 100% improvement over the 29G so as long as you keep up a frequent PWC schedule and take other steps to improve the ecology, you'll be giving her a much better chance at living a much longer and healthier life. A 55G is OK for one or two round-bodied goldfish since they are not as much of swimmers but weekly PWC's and tank/filter maintenance is still needed since round-bodied goldfish still have very similar body mass to the long-bodied variants. While it's true that most fish will self-stunt themselves so they do not outgrow their homes, this stunting process also causes a lot of stress to the fish which ultimately leads to health issues and a much shorter lifespan.. and could be a reason why your fish is so jittery. The stunting process which is caused by various hormone levels in their water, is not something us hobbyists can test for but by reading scientific reports done for the fisheries industry, they've learned that by doing LOTS of water changing and using advanced filtration (something else we do not have yet), they can remove/dilute/ flush out these hormones so the farm raised fish, who are grossly overstocked as well, still grow at a rapid rate so they can get them to market at the largest size possible in as short a period of time... otherwise we wouldn't have an abundant supply of affordable fresh fried catfish fingers or your other fish meal du jour! ;-) If you've been reading all of the other threads out here, you will have seen us recently discussing water bridges, U-tubes, etc. as ways to connect two tanks so that you increase the total water volume of the system. This allows for better dilution of hormones and waste in between the weekly tank/filter maintenance. Also, if you were to connect the two tanks, you could turn the 29G into a planted tank and even put in a school of minnow type fish like zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc... or I think you might have been talking about dwarf killifish or something as long as they do OK at room temperatures. That would add very little bioload to the system, yet still give you "life" in the 29G... and still allow the goldfishes waste and hormones to be diluted and naturally filtered by the live plants in the 29G. While a water bridge would allow the fish to swim between the two tanks, you do not really want this since your bigger goldfish might look at the minnow type fish as snacks.. so the U-tubes with filter intake screens on them would prevent fish from moving between the tanks and are much less expensive. If you do not like this idea, then you could still add certain live plants to the 55G which would help with the overall ecology of the tank and since you say your goldfish is shy, the plants will afford it a better sense of security. Are you doing proper filter maintenance also? Waiting too long between doing filter cleaning will not only clog up the filters but also start allowing the detritus to break down and go into solution called DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) or TDS (total dissolved solids), neither of which are good for the fish since they have to breathe these things... much like us humans shouldn't be breathing a lot of the junk we breathe. My blog has a long article on filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:51 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish Question Hi everyone, Sorry to pepper you with questions recently. I do have one more that occurred to me recently and I thought this just might be the group to answer it. I have a female common fantail goldfish. I think she is about two years old (I don't remember exactly when I got her). She currently lives alone in my 29g aquarium and is about to get moved to a larger aquarium. She is about 7 inches now and so very ready to move! I am wondering when goldfish reach their maximum size? I have never had such a large goldfish and do not know what to expect. I know how large goldfish get, but now how long it takes for them to get there. It seems like her growth in length slowed way down a while back, but she has filled out during the slowdown, I have noticed. The 29g has certainly gotten some ammonia in it because of the need to move her though I am doing water changes and I have enough filtration for an 80g aquarium trying to help her. I'll keep limping it along until I get this move finished. She'll be so HAPPY!! I am wondering whether her growth is likely to have been stunted because she has been in the 29g aquarium this long? If I could have afforded a larger tank earlier, she would have been moved. I did look around for another home for her but only found places with other fish and knew that she did not do well with tank mates, even as a baby fish. She just freaks when something brushes up against her or goes near her in the water (except me sometimes). She needs to be a solo fish in her home. Thanks for your opinions. Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35649	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? I would love to see them, too! Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon light LED's). I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any new fish in a couple months. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > fish person. > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > problem among fish folks. > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > length. > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > Deb > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > always > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > obtained > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > Seven- > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > locations > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > have > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > I > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > learn > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > it > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

Speaking of attacking plecos, conspecifics have been known to viciously fight especially over a mate or territory/cave. I saw some video several years ago on PlecoFanatics, with some Zebra Pleco's viciously fighting, possibly to the death. I never did see the babe pleco they were fighting over but she must have been something. ;-) Here's two males fighting over a cave like area under some wood or rock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvWAg-XDOw A YouTube search of - pleco fight - will find many more vids. I think "The Cockroach That Ate Cincinnati" was better. ;-) Of course, it was just a song by Dr. Demento. LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viTUhOT4d3I Here's "Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes" movie intro song.. LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfm3_BMinhg Make sure you Toggle Flash if you've installed this nifty IE add-in or you won't be able to watch YouTube's. \\Steve//, I don't see anything low-budget in the song for Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf kind, if that's the case, hehe. At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). Amber Wendie wrote: > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though > they are brown. > Wendie > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darlene > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > or is that an albino? > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > plecos ................. > Darlene >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35651	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse a Reverse??

Yes. But remember that when you moved all the fish and all of the nitrifying bacteria from the small tank to the big tank, you were basically transferring a majority of the nitrifying bacteria that had already grown to a proper size to handle the bioload in the smaller tank. Whether it's a 5G tank or a 30G tank, if there are five fish, then there will only be enough nitrifying bacteria to handle that bioload. If you move a large percentage of the N-bacteria from one tank to another while not moving any fish, the current tank will show a mini-cycle proportional to the amount of N-bacteria moved. If it's only a very small percentage, then the ammonia/nitrite levels will probably never show up on our test kits. If you move 50% of the N-Bacteria, then you will be more likely to see the mini-cycle until the remaining 50% duplicate enough to grow the colony back to full size. All that said, this cloning process can be done much quicker than waiting 4 or 6 weeks. As long as you are good about keeping the N-bacteria alive when transplanting them, they'll live and are capable of doubling their colony size every 24-48 hours, depending on the overall ecology of the tank(s). If you have a tank with 10 equal sized fish, you could take the filter media from that tank and cut it into 10 pieces and set up each fish in it's own tank with 1/10th of the media and all 10 tanks should be "cycled". As soon as you add more fish to any of the tanks, the tank will see a mini-cycle in proportion to the increased bioload. Or.. if you just remove a small piece of cycled media and put it in the running filter of an uncycled tank, you can then start the manual addition of plain ammonia (3-5 drops per gallon) and since you seeded the new filter system, that tank will become fully cycled in as little as 7-10 days. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:14 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Reverse a Reverse??   I recently setup a 29-gallon tank (1-4-09) and used the entire contents of a 5-gallon hex to do it.  Gravel, fish and of course, the filter media..   The thinking here (if I have learned my lessons correctly) is that most tanks setup new require that the filter media first has to be colonized with ammonia-converting bacteria.  This entire process should take place in about 4 weeks -- but often takes up to 5 or 6 weeks.   Monitoring all levels so far; I have not had any issues.  pH in the tank is about 5.5 with no ammonia levels at all and PWC¢s were begun after the first week at the rate of 25%.  GH and KH are just about nonexistent, which is perfectly normal according to my well water base line.   All this is being said, and assuming that NO issues or ammonia spikes occur or any other problems with water parameters after a run-in period of 6 weeks, can this process be reversed?   By that I mean this.  Can I again remove some of the colonized filter media, some of the top layer of the gravel of the current running tank, and begin the cycle all over again by starting another tank up following this same procedure?   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35652	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many occasions, sometimes with a short chase. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made for > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would be > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color you > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or red > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even though > > > > they are brown. > > > > Wendie > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of mine! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Darlene > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale color, not > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed darker > > > > plecos ................. > > > > Darlene > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35653	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Feeder Fish Question

My neighbor with the Brown Algae has a 10 G. And it holds one feeder fish that is about 3 inches long. Said she paid 12 cents for it. That it had survived without being eaten in her tank with the Black Moors and put it in this 10 G. It is a goldfish, I guess. It looks like a common to me. But are they a breed in themselves, and if so how big do they get. Can she put it back in with the Moors. And how do they differ in character. Aggressive, quiet, or what. My neighbor thinks because I had goldfish for three Months I am an expert. And I say no, but I Will ask the experts.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35654	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Well I tried posting pics, but danio's are speedy little guys, so most of them are just a colorful blur, LOL. I think I had a couple decent pics, my gourami was a lot more willing to show off his colors than my danio's where though. They are all in the group photo's under Amber Berglund. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish > on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? > I would love to see them, too! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > light LED's). > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > new fish in a couple months. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > fish person. > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > length. > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question

All goldfish, whether commons, comets, long-bodied, round-bodied, wen, bubble-eyed, etc., etc., are ALL the same exact species http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Carassius_auratus.html but some breeders have selectively inbred them over the past several hundred years to achieve a certain "look". New "looks" (called variants) are being conjured up every year. Here are some... http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/ftypes.html I normally give a link to Bristol-Aquarist's site but for some reason, their entire site is down right now. I hope they aren't gone forever. Check it out at another time. http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm It's no wonder the fancy goldfish couldn't eat a "feeder fish", which are often common goldfish. "Feeder Fish" at pet stores can also be guppies and any other cheap fish. A common is a much faster swimmer and gets much larger than fancy goldfish. It will actually cause problems for the fancy goldfish as it grows and it will eat all the food since it can get to the food faster and they grow to well over a foot long and up to 24" long. They should really be in a pond unless a really HUGE tank is available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question My neighbor with the Brown Algae has a 10 G. And it holds one feeder fish that is about 3 inches long. Said she paid 12 cents for it. That it had survived without being eaten in her tank with the Black Moors and put it in this 10 G. It is a goldfish, I guess. It looks like a common to me. But are they a breed in themselves, and if so how big do they get. Can she put it back in with the Moors. And how do they differ in character. Aggressive, quiet, or what. My neighbor thinks because I had goldfish for three Months I am an expert. And I say no, but I Will ask the experts.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35656	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question

Margie, There are a number of species sold as feeder fish at various sizes. Goldfish are one of those species. Most likely it is a common goldfish, stocky fish shaped body with rounded lobes on the caudal, or a comet--more torpedo shaped and with tapered lobes on the caudal. The coloration could be olive, olive tending toward brown or black, or a shade of orange (the gold in goldfish), other colors could be mixed in. For example, if it is a variety of shubunkin, or a calico, it could have a mixture of black, gold, blue, and white. There could be some red mixed in with this, or in the orange. Common and comet goldfish can grow in excess of 18". A few more descriptive terms in relation to the fish in question would make the ID of the fish, sight unseen, easier and more certain. A round bodied goldfish, such as the moor, needs about 30 gallons of water per fish. A "torpedo" bodied goldfish needs more because it needs enough tank length to swim in a straight line, and, in fact, these type of goldfish do better in a pond. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Margie Phelps > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question > > My neighbor with the Brown Algae has a 10 G. And it holds one feeder fish > that is about 3 inches long. Said she paid 12 cents for it. That it had > survived without being eaten in her tank with the Black Moors and put it in > this 10 G. It is a goldfish, I guess. It looks like a common to me. > But are they a breed in themselves, and if so how big do they get. Can > she put it back in with the Moors. And how do they differ in character. > Aggressive, quiet, or what. > > My neighbor thinks because I had goldfish for three Months I am an expert. > And I say no, but I Will ask the experts. > > > >  > > Margie > > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35657	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, short > on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy it > (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > for > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > be > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > dwarf > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) > LOL, > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > movie, > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > horrible > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > you > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes or > red > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > though > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > mine! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > color, not > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > darker > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35658	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium This type of system could also be modified to have more water movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water movement. You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, > short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy > it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > for > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > be > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > dwarf > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry > > > > ;) > LOL, > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > movie, > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > horrible > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > you > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes > > > > > or > red > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > though > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > mine! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > color, not > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > darker > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35659	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Amber, I think your pics were great. Very nice fish! I loved all of them. Gourami is another fish I at the top of my list. Yours is beautiful. All of them are just beautiful! Did you find all of them at your LFS or did you have to order some? Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:03 PM Well I tried posting pics, but danio's are speedy little guys, so most of them are just a colorful blur, LOL. I think I had a couple decent pics, my gourami was a lot more willing to show off his colors than my danio's where though. They are all in the group photo's under Amber Berglund. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish > on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? > I would love to see them, too! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > light LED's). > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > new fish in a couple months. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > fish person. > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > length. > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35660	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow you should have or if you can make do with different setups. I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed later. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water movement on > just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and the > upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > give the > Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I like them > newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass with the motor > outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with magnets spinning to > spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of > humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful then, > as I'm getting some in the near future. > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > adjust > to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't > mind as > they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I couldn't > keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment > for her, > so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in > it. I > know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > would do > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > looking > at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my > eye on a > couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a > faster > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make > it too > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > large > rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another > canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good current > flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was > thinking of > running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister > filters. Not > sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too > much > flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > sure she > wouldn't mind being alone too. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, > > short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy > > it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > > for > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > > be > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > > dwarf > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry > > > > > ;) > > LOL, > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > > movie, > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > > horrible > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > > you > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes > > > > > > or > > red > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > though > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > color, not > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > > darker > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35661	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if you want to see them anyhow. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on sale right now. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful with how much and what direction your water flow and filter returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow you should have or if you can make do with different setups. I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed later. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water movement > on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and > the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I > like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass > with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with > magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means one less wire > and motor in the water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense > of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly > peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's > wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I > know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not be > a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever tank > doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a lower > water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees too, which > is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the > Hillstream loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky > as to which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current > in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a > good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water > flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons > per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make the > loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish like > danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most likely > be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring > > all midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are > > the horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on > > cinematography, short on acting, you need to lower your sense of > > humor to really enjoy it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have > > seen one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on > > many occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever > > > > made > > for > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it > > > > would > > be > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of > > > > Tiny Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're > > > > > the > > dwarf > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to > > > > > worry > > > > > ;) > > LOL, > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched > > > > > the > > movie, > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was > > > > > a > > horrible > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale > > > > > > color > > you > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue > > > > > > eyes or > > red > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > though > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all > > > > > > of > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > color, not > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all > > > > > > showed > > darker > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > Darlene > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35662	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

I've gotten all of my current fish from my LFS. I am only just now looking at ordering fish from people on the internet. I guess I've just gotten lucky with my LFS so far, they seem to order the popular fish at least ;) One thing to remember with the dwarf gourami's is try to only get 1 male, and a few females if you get more than one. The males can be territorial and chase and fight each other, and other fish sometimes. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Amber, I think your pics were great. Very nice fish! I loved all of > them. Gourami is another fish I at the top of my list. Yours is > beautiful. All of them are just beautiful! Did you find all of them at > your LFS or did you have to order some? > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:03 PM > > Well I tried posting pics, but danio's are speedy little guys, so most > > of them are just a colorful blur, LOL. I think I had a couple decent > > pics, my gourami was a lot more willing to show off his colors than my > > danio's where though. They are all in the group photo's under Amber > > Berglund. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish > > > on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? > > > I would love to see them, too! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > > > > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > > > > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > > > > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > > > > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > > > > > light LED's). > > > > > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > > > > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > > > > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > > > > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > > > > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > > > > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > > > > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > > > > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > > > > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > > > > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > > > > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > > > > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > > > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > > > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > > > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > > > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > > > > > fish person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > > > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > > > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > > > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35663	From: Wendie	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

I've kept them in a community tank. They've bred in a community tank with the only drawback being that the loaches would patiently wait for the babies to be kicked out of the caves ... dinner time. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow you should have or if you can make do with different setups. I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed later. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water movement on > just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and the > upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > give the > Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I like them > newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass with the motor > outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with magnets spinning to > spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of > humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful then, > as I'm getting some in the near future. > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > adjust > to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't > mind as > they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I couldn't > keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment > for her, > so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in > it. I > know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > would do > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > looking > at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my > eye on a > couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a > faster > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make > it too > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > large > rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another > canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good current > flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was > thinking of > running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister > filters. Not > sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too > much > flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > sure she > wouldn't mind being alone too. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, > > short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy > > it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > > for > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > > be > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > > dwarf > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry > > > > > ;) > > LOL, > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > > movie, > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > > horrible > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > > you > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes > > > > > > or > > red > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > though > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey color? > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > color, not > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > > darker > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco complete would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper flow. I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, thoughts for the future I guess, LOL. Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon and the 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is downstairs. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I just > peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef tanks > and run > in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if you want to see them > anyhow. > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on sale > right > now. > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful with how > much and what direction your water flow and filter returns go so you > do not > stir up the substrate. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set up, > read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow you > should have or if you can make do with different setups. > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > something > that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there successfully > keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > salt > water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could easily > use 1 > canister filter and a power head for now, and get another canister > filter if > it was needed later. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water movement > > on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and > > the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I > > like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass > > with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with > > magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means one less wire > > and motor in the water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense > > of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly > > peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's > > wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I > > know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not be > > a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever tank > > doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a lower > > water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees too, which > > is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the > > Hillstream loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky > > as to which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current > > in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > > large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a > > good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water > > flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons > > per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make the > > loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish like > > danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most likely > > be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>>> > > > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring > > > all midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are > > > the horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on > > > cinematography, short on acting, you need to lower your sense of > > > humor to really enjoy it (which, according to my wife is no > problem for > me). > > > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have > > > seen one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on > > > many occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever > > > > > made > > > for > > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it > > > > > would > > > be > > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of > > > > > Tiny Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're > > > > > > the > > > dwarf > > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to > > > > > > worry > > > > > > ;) > > > LOL, > > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched > > > > > > the > > > movie, > > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was > > > > > > a > > > horrible > > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale > > > > > > > color > > > you > > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue > > > > > > > eyes or > > > red > > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > > though > > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all > > > > > > > of > > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey > color? > > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > > color, not > > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all > > > > > > > showed > > > darker > > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35665	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. LOL Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you don't have to. ;-) With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a water flow at the upper levels. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco complete would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper flow. I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, thoughts for the future I guess, LOL. Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon and the 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is downstairs. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I > just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef > tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if you > want to see them anyhow. > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on sale > right now. > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful with > how much and what direction your water flow and filter returns go so > you do not stir up the substrate. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set > up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow > you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there > successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could > easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another > canister filter if it was needed later. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the > > bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the > > tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means one > > less wire and motor in the water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense > > of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly > > peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's > > wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not > > be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever > > tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a > > lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees > > too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm > > looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current > > in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find > > some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it > > a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water > > flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons > > per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make > > the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish > > like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most > > likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > Amber > >

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35667	From: Todd Bacon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

Do you do anything special to keep the plants healthy? Substrate additives, T-5 lamps, etc? bruce cohen <piercedarrow_107@...> wrote: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "latexluvr2001" <latexluvr2001@...> wrote: > > Are there any discus keepers out there? > yes I keep discus in an eclipse 2 with live plants [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35668	From: Todd Bacon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

How long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry? pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: piercedarrow_107@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35669	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Deb, My photographic needs require film cameras; I have five top- quality (Nikon) 35mm SLR (single lens reflex) cameras with which I take only transparencies (slides). My scanner that I use with my computer will not send slide images -- I guess I'd need a special slide scanner to do that, so no, I don't have any pictures posted. As I have no need for a digital camera, my present cameras filling all my needs, I doubt I'll ever get into digital as I prefer the quality of transparencies. If I ever have reason to get a slide scanner, I would post them at that time. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? I would love to see them, too! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > light LED's). > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > fish person. > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > length. > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35670	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question

Thanks again Lenny I will pass this info along to her. I thought the fish looked a lot like the Common we had before we moved. And thanks very much for the very first paragraph below...... I did not know that.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/12/2009 11:23:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question All goldfish, whether commons, comets, long-bodied, round-bodied, wen, bubble-eyed, etc., etc., are ALL the same exact species http://fish.mongabay com/species/Carassius_auratus.html but some breeders have selectively inbred them over the past several hundred years to achieve a certain "look". New looks" (called variants) are being conjured up every year. Here are some... http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/ftypes.html I normally give a link to Bristol-Aquarist's site but for some reason, their entire site is down right now. I hope they aren't gone forever. Check it out at another time. http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/goldfish.htm It's no wonder the fancy goldfish couldn't eat a "feeder fish", which are often common goldfish. "Feeder Fish" at pet stores can also be guppies and any other cheap fish. A common is a much faster swimmer and gets much larger than fancy goldfish. It will actually cause problems for the fancy goldfish as it grows and it will eat all the food since it can get to the food faster and they grow to well over a foot long and up to 24" long. They should really be in a pond unless a really HUGE tank is available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question My neighbor with the Brown Algae has a 10 G. And it holds one feeder fish that is about 3 inches long. Said she paid 12 cents for it. That it had survived without being eaten in her tank with the Black Moors and put it in this 10 G. It is a goldfish, I guess. It looks like a common to me. But are they a breed in themselves, and if so how big do they get. Can she put it back in with the Moors. And how do they differ in character. Aggressive, quiet, or what. My neighbor thinks because I had goldfish for three Months I am an expert. And I say no, but I Will ask the experts.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari com/o1518107464/shelf ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35671	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Feeder Fish Question

Thanks Steve, I will also pass this along to my neighbor. Before we moved last year, we had a Common and I thought it looked much the same as hers. So very soon she will need to move it to a bigger tank or a pond. So her 12 cent fish is the same as our $4-5 one. Hmm!  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/12/2009 11:28:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question Margie, There are a number of species sold as feeder fish at various sizes. Goldfish are one of those species. Most likely it is a common goldfish, stocky fish shaped body with rounded lobes on the caudal, or a comet--more torpedo shaped and with tapered lobes on the caudal. The coloration could be olive, olive tending toward brown or black, or a shade of orange (the gold in goldfish), other colors could be mixed in. For example, if it is a variety of shubunkin, or a calico, it could have a mixture of black, gold, blue, and white. There could be some red mixed in with this, or in the orange. Common and comet goldfish can grow in excess of 18". A few more descriptive terms in relation to the fish in question would make the ID of the fish, sight unseen, easier and more certain. A round bodied goldfish, such as the moor, needs about 30 gallons of water per fish. A "torpedo" bodied goldfish needs more because it needs enough tank length to swim in a straight line, and, in fact, these type of goldfish do better in a pond. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Margie Phelps > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeder Fish Question > > My neighbor with the Brown Algae has a 10 G. And it holds one feeder fish > that is about 3 inches long. Said she paid 12 cents for it. That it had > survived without being eaten in her tank with the Black Moors and put it in > this 10 G. It is a goldfish, I guess. It looks like a common to me. > But are they a breed in themselves, and if so how big do they get. Can > she put it back in with the Moors. And how do they differ in character. > Aggressive, quiet, or what. > > My neighbor thinks because I had goldfish for three Months I am an expert. > And I say no, but I Will ask the experts. > > > >  > > Margie > > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35672	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr

Have you had any luck with this yet? I just got this email even though it looks like it was sent yesterday morning. Are you trying to seal this while water is still in the tank and leaking? Most products will not work very well under these conditions, regardless to what they might say on TV. ;-) There's a huge difference in sealing an 8 oz. cup of water versus 1,000 pounds of water pressure. They do sell some aquarium safe epoxy products that will supposedly work under water but this would also be best to be applied on the inside of the tank where the water pressure would actually help to force the sealant into the crack/leaking area, where applying it on the outside would have the water pressure pushing it out of the crack/leaking area. I think I know what you are talking about from your description but if you can take some pics, I might be able to come up with other solutions. The "back left tower" that you are referencing.. I'm guessing this is the built in overflow which acts as a skimmer for a SW tank? These are also OK in FW tanks if you want to remove floating things but they aren't as good if you have floating plants which will get drawn to and block the overflow.. or get pulled over the overflow. Also, something small like duckweed would get sucked over also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:05 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter Ok, my arms simply aren't long enough apparently to do this by simply leaning in and applying the sealant around the nozzles directly. Does anyone have a helpful hint on how to do this? The nozzles are in the back of a 125g freshwater reef ready aquarium at the bottom of the back left tower. I have sealed it from underneath fairly well (I can reach it without a prob by going in thru the cabinet) and I think I did a fairly good job, but it's still leaking from around the edges of the fitting. Wet/dry filter is currently turned off and I am using two Fluval 305's in the meantime but I really prefer the other to be on as well. How do "ya'll" do this? Chris in Linden, VA

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35673	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Ray, Your first two rules would also dictate that anything posted in this group should not be believed and the information should be "taken with a grain of salt" since this is nothing more than a website where anyone can post. Would this mean that your post should also not be believed? I don't see how broad sweeping statements like those can be made condemning information on websites when those broad sweeping statements are being made where? On a website. Or is information contained in email replies from Yahoo Groups more reliable? If so, then some lawyer for a dead billionaire in Nigeria has some money for you. ;-) I certainly agree that information, whether in a book... countless bad books out there also... should be vetted by the reader but there are some very, very good and even excellent websites that are well respected and are actually set up by people in the hobby who have been around for many, many years. They've spent countless hours compiling the information on their websites, having it peer reviewed, editing and re-editing it as newer or better information becomes available, etc., etc.... something that a book's publisher doesn't do.. unless you're willing to buy the new books. Sites like Badman's, TheKrib's, Mongabay, TheSkepticalAquarist and many, many others... too countless to mention them all.. have been around for more than 10 years and some going back to the beginnings of the internet (when did Al Gore invent it anyhow?? LOL) and a couple of those sites also have forums that are hosted/moderated by folks who have been in the fishkeeping hobby as long as anyone in this group. To discount their works on their websites would be comparable to someone in one of their forums discounting this group with a single sweeping statement. I certainly don't have a problem pointing out and identifying what I think are good or bad website sources (like I've done on my... ummm.. website) but I just don't see how one can make a broad sweeping statement discounting website information... especially when posting that statement on a... ummm... website... or would that now make your information bad now also? ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35674	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

I'm confused, LOL. But I just woke up so bear with me ;). Have you kept the hillstream loaches in a community tank or were you refering to the BN pleco's? Amber Wendie wrote: > > I've kept them in a community tank. They've bred in a community tank > with the only drawback being that the loaches would patiently wait for > the babies to be kicked out of the caves ... dinner time. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amber Berglund > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set > up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow > you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there > successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could > easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another > canister filter if it was needed later. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > movement on > > just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and the > > upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > give the > > Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I like them > > newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass with the motor > > outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with magnets > spinning to > > spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of > > humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful > then, > > as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > adjust > > to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't > > mind as > > they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I > couldn't > > keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment > > for her, > > so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in > > it. I > > know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > would do > > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > > looking > > at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my > > eye on a > > couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a > > faster > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make > > it too > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > > large > > rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another > > canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good > current > > flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was > > thinking of > > running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister > > filters. Not > > sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too > > much > > flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the > fish > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > sure she > > wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>>> > > > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > > > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > > > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, > > > short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy > > > it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > > > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > > > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > > > for > > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > > > be > > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > > > dwarf > > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry > > > > > > ;) > > > LOL, > > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > > > movie, > > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > > > horrible > > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > > > you > > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes > > > > > > > or > > > red > > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > > though > > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey > color? > > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > > color, not > > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > > > darker > > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35675	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos

In a message dated 1/12/2009 9:36:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Speaking of attacking plecos, conspecifics have been known to viciously fight especially over a mate or territory/cave. I saw some video several years ago on PlecoFanatics, with some Zebra Pleco's viciously fighting, possibly to the death. I never did see the babe pleco they were fighting over but she must have been something. ;-) Here's two males fighting over a cave like area under some wood or rock. _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvWAg-XDOw) A YouTube search of - pleco fight - will find many more vids. I think "The Cockroach That Ate Cincinnati" was better. ;-) Of course, it was just a song by Dr. Demento. LOL _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viTUhOT4d3I) Here's "Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes" movie intro song.. LOL _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfm3_BMinhg) Make sure you Toggle Flash if you've installed this nifty IE add-in or you won't be able to watch YouTube's. \\Steve//, I don't see anything low-budget in the song for Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:48 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the dwarf kind, if that's the case, hehe. At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry ;) LOL, attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the movie, "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a horrible low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). Amber Looks like Killer Clowns from Outer space! Those little guys are sure aggresive! Enid "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35676	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to the other end of the tank. I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > or very > similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and then run a > water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through a couple of > rooms > and then back down the stairs into the second tank. LOL > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having your > intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed deeper > into the > tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually flows more across the > bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters with the intake really > deep, > almost to the bottom and the spray bar directly above it on one side > of the > tank and I can clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank > to the > other end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > intake > underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running > through that tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy > by floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of > the tank > and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. These ain't > dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you don't have to. ;-) > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow only > going > from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a water flow at the > upper levels. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does not > have > substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have yet to get > anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > complete > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like the > anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry about the few > plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an anubias in my 125 > gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for getting another one of > them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon for the fast flowing tank > but I > thought about the same thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate > too much, but it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to > break up the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > loaches > anyways ;). > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > danio's and > such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I suppose this will just > take some fiddling with to find the proper flow. > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > outakes at > the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to another > tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the two tanks. This > might be a thought for the future if I get this all set up right in the > first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted tank in one tank and put a > rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, thoughts for the future I guess, LOL. > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > and the > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > downstairs. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I > > just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef > > tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if you > > want to see them anyhow. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on sale > > right now. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful with > > how much and what direction your water flow and filter returns go so > > you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set > > up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow > > you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there > > successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > > salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could > > easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another > > canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the > > > bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > > give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the > > > tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means one > > > less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense > > > of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly > > > peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > > adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's > > > wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would not > > > be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in which-ever > > > tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a > > > lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees > > > too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm > > > looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > > > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have > my eye > on a couple types). > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current > > > in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too > > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find > > > some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood > soaking. > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it > > > a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough water > > > flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons > > > per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make > > > the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish > > > like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish that would most > > > likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35677	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Just woke up? It's 10:50 a.m. Oh wait.. I forgot that you're on a tropical island in South Alaska so I guess it's a few hours earlier up there. You're lucky you're on that tropical South Alaskan island right now. We just had a cold front come through and it's in the 50's today. I might have to wear an undershirt and long pants to keep from freezing. BRRRRR!!!! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). I'm confused, LOL. But I just woke up so bear with me ;). Have you kept the hillstream loaches in a community tank or were you refering to the BN pleco's? Amber Wendie wrote: > > I've kept them in a community tank. They've bred in a community tank > with the only drawback being that the loaches would patiently wait for > the babies to be kicked out of the caves ... dinner time. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amber Berglund > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set > up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow > you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there > successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could > easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another > canister filter if it was needed later. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > movement on > > just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and > > the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the > > tank with magnets > spinning to > > spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense > > of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly > > peaceful > then, > > as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's > > wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. > > I know that I > couldn't > > keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment > > for her, so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the > > loaches in it. I know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and > > most of my fish would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher > > range for the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream > > loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to > > which one just yet, but I do have my eye on a couple types). Does > > anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster current in > > my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make it too > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find > > some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood > > soaking. > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it > > a good > current > > flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was > > thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) > > canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need to make the loaches > > happy enough but not too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, > > guppy's, platy's, which are the > fish > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>>> > > > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring > > > all midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast > > > are the horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on > > > cinematography, short on acting, you need to lower your sense of > > > humor to really enjoy it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have > > > seen one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on > > > many occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going > > > > ;) > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever > > > > > made > > > for > > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it > > > > > would > > > be > > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of > > > > > Tiny Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're > > > > > > the > > > dwarf > > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to > > > > > > worry > > > > > > ;) > > > LOL, > > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched > > > > > > the > > > movie, > > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it > > > > > > was a > > > horrible > > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale > > > > > > > color > > > you > > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue > > > > > > > eyes or > > > red > > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene > > > > > > > even > > > though > > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get > > > > > > > all of > > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey > color? > > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > > color, not > > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all > > > > > > > showed > > > darker > > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > > Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to the other end of the tank. I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and > then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through a > couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > LOL > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters > with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar > directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the > water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down that > side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath the > spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through that > tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy by > floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of the > tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you don't > have to. ;-) > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow only > going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a water > flow at the upper levels. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does not > have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have yet > to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > complete > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like the > anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry about the > few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an anubias in > my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for getting > another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon for the > fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you did, didn't > want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be okay if I put > some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a bit, like the > rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > flow. > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the two > tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all set up > right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted tank in > one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, thoughts for the future I guess, LOL. > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > and the > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > downstairs. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I > > just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef > > tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if > > you want to see them anyhow. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on > > sale right now. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful > > with how much and what direction your water flow and filter returns > > go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that > > set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much > > water flow you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out > > there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for > > her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I > > could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get > > another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near > > > the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the > > > tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means > > > one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank > > > to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish > > > will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my > > > danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would > > > not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in > > > which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the > > > loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay > > > at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > > > looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there > > > are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but > > > I do have > my eye > on a couple types). > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not > > > make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going > > > out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already > > > have drift wood > soaking. > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give > > > it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough > > > water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 > > > gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need > > > to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for > > > "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35679	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr

No, I'm still puzzling this one out.   I'm actually keeping that area dry by simply not filling the tank entirely while I get it properly sealed.  It was a saltwater tank with what was called "reef ready towers" in the back corners which overflow into nozzles at the bottom into a wet/dry filter.  I swear I would take pictures but I make such a mess out of the flash it's just a lost cause.  The tower looks just like this one http://www.elmersaquarium.com/h109oc_rr_tanks.htm  except it is in the back left and right corners, the place I need to seal is naturally at the bottom interior of that tower and I simply can't seem to reach it!!!   LOL, Chris from Northern Virginia --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:17 AM Have you had any luck with this yet? I just got this email even though it looks like it was sent yesterday morning. Are you trying to seal this while water is still in the tank and leaking? Most products will not work very well under these conditions, regardless to what they might say on TV. ;-) There's a huge difference in sealing an 8 oz. cup of water versus 1,000 pounds of water pressure. They do sell some aquarium safe epoxy products that will supposedly work under water but this would also be best to be applied on the inside of the tank where the water pressure would actually help to force the sealant into the crack/leaking area, where applying it on the outside would have the water pressure pushing it out of the crack/leaking area. I think I know what you are talking about from your description but if you can take some pics, I might be able to come up with other solutions. The "back left tower" that you are referencing. . I'm guessing this is the built in overflow which acts as a skimmer for a SW tank? These are also OK in FW tanks if you want to remove floating things but they aren't as good if you have floating plants which will get drawn to and block the overflow.. or get pulled over the overflow. Also, something small like duckweed would get sucked over also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:05 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter Ok, my arms simply aren't long enough apparently to do this by simply leaning in and applying the sealant around the nozzles directly. Does anyone have a helpful hint on how to do this? The nozzles are in the back of a 125g freshwater reef ready aquarium at the bottom of the back left tower. I have sealed it from underneath fairly well (I can reach it without a prob by going in thru the cabinet) and I think I did a fairly good job, but it's still leaking from around the edges of the fitting. Wet/dry filter is currently turned off and I am using two Fluval 305's in the meantime but I really prefer the other to be on as well. How do "ya'll" do this? Chris in Linden, VA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35680	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dr

OK. I looked at that link and the only thing I see a clear image of is the "Megaflow" thing but that has openings for bottom, mid and overflow so I'm guessing that's not yours. I'm guessing your tank is pretty tall and with the tank filled, you can't reach down into the overflow towers.. or even if it was empty. Do these "nozzles" appear to have nuts and washers on them or were they just siliconed in place? Usually, when plumbing is done through a glass or acrylic tank, usually acrylic, the elbows or other plumbing will have nuts and washers on each side to seal any small gap. It could be that one of these washers dry rotted if the tank was left empty or something and you would then have to remove the piece that is plumbed through the tank and replace the washers on each side. As long as the water level is low enough and the sides of the tower are sealed to the bottom and sides of the tank, then you should be able to do this. You may need a tong type tool or your neighbors pet spider monkey... lol... (for reaching down into the overflow tower to grab the piece of plumbing once you remove the nut/washer from the underside, which you said you can get to. Then replace both washers, then using the tool or the spider monkey.. lol.. put the piece back through the hole and then tighten it up from the bottom again, presuming there is a nut for tightening the seal. You may or may not need any other special glues or lubricants on the washers if done correctly... and using silicone washers should seal up the opening/leak and you should be trouble free for quite a long time afterwards. If you have a digital camera, take as many pictures as you can from the bottom and hopefully one or two will come out clear enough so that I can see it a little better if the above isn't the type of plumbing that you have. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens-Polski Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter No, I'm still puzzling this one out.   I'm actually keeping that area dry by simply not filling the tank entirely while I get it properly sealed.  It was a saltwater tank with what was called "reef ready towers" in the back corners which overflow into nozzles at the bottom into a wet/dry filter.  I swear I would take pictures but I make such a mess out of the flash it's just a lost cause.  The tower looks just like this one http://www.elmersaquarium.com/h109oc_rr_tanks.htm  except it is in the back left and right corners, the place I need to seal is naturally at the bottom interior of that tower and I simply can't seem to reach it!!!   LOL, Chris from Northern Virginia --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:17 AM Have you had any luck with this yet? I just got this email even though it looks like it was sent yesterday morning. Are you trying to seal this while water is still in the tank and leaking? Most products will not work very well under these conditions, regardless to what they might say on TV. ;-) There's a huge difference in sealing an 8 oz. cup of water versus 1,000 pounds of water pressure. They do sell some aquarium safe epoxy products that will supposedly work under water but this would also be best to be applied on the inside of the tank where the water pressure would actually help to force the sealant into the crack/leaking area, where applying it on the outside would have the water pressure pushing it out of the crack/leaking area. I think I know what you are talking about from your description but if you can take some pics, I might be able to come up with other solutions. The "back left tower" that you are referencing. . I'm guessing this is the built in overflow which acts as a skimmer for a SW tank? These are also OK in FW tanks if you want to remove floating things but they aren't as good if you have floating plants which will get drawn to and block the overflow.. or get pulled over the overflow. Also, something small like duckweed would get sucked over also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:05 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need some helpful hints on sealing nozzles on reef-ready wet-dry filter Ok, my arms simply aren't long enough apparently to do this by simply leaning in and applying the sealant around the nozzles directly. Does anyone have a helpful hint on how to do this? The nozzles are in the back of a 125g freshwater reef ready aquarium at the bottom of the back left tower. I have sealed it from underneath fairly well (I can reach it without a prob by going in thru the cabinet) and I think I did a fairly good job, but it's still leaking from around the edges of the fitting. Wet/dry filter is currently turned off and I am using two Fluval 305's in the meantime but I really prefer the other to be on as well. How do "ya'll" do this? Chris in Linden, VA

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35681	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going to use it. Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the outtake's on the filters. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the faster > flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released into > the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just stir up a > little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your tank, but there > is almost always a specific water flow through a tank with a lot of > filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, moving the intake or > return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > possible from > the returning water (outflow) on one end near the bottom going across the > tank to the intake on the other end near the bottom, this will create a > quick flow of water across the bottom with much less water circulation in > the mid to upper levels of the tank so your other fish will find areas > that > they like... much like in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool > areas off to the sides where they hang out all the time when they > don't want > to deal with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a rock or > tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > allow me > to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I > don't > have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into that. It's > really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't think the intake > part will matter much if it's in the middle on one end, rather than the > bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to the other end of the tank. > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current > in the > tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the rest of my > community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around to see if > anyone > has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds of fish, to see > how the > fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > > or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and > > then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through a > > couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > > LOL > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters > > with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar > > directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the > > water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down that > > side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath the > > spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through that > > tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy by > > floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of the > > tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you don't > > have to. ;-) > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow only > > going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a water > > flow at the upper levels. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does not > > have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have yet > > to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > complete > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like the > > anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry about the > > few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an anubias in > > my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for getting > > another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon for the > > fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you did, didn't > > want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be okay if I put > > some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a bit, like the > > rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > flow. > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the two > > tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all set up > > right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted tank in > > one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, thoughts for the > future I guess, LOL. > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > > and the > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > downstairs. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. I > > > just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for saltwater/reef > > > tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! Here they are if > > > you want to see them anyhow. > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>>> > > > > > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on > > > sale right now. > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>>> > > > > > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>>> > > > > > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > > > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful > > > with how much and what direction your water flow and filter returns > > > go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that > > > set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much > > > water flow you should have or if you can make do with different > setups. > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out > > > there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for > > > her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I > > > could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get > > > another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>>> > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near > > > > the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water > movement. > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire > tank. > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside the > > > > tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also means > > > > one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank > > > > to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish > > > > will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my > > > > danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take > current. > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would > > > > not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in > > > > which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the > > > > loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do okay > > > > at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > > > > looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there > > > > are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but > > > > I do have > > my eye > > on a couple types). > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not > > > > make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going > > > > out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I already > > > > have drift wood > > soaking. > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give > > > > it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough > > > > water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 > > > > gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I need > > > > to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for > > > > "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > > > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > > > sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35682	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in that stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the other end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, which is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that would also create a little more movement at the top since the water shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank and return to the powerhead intake. Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and then show us what you have for more suggestions. To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out between the plants. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going to use it. Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the outtake's on the filters. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the faster > flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just stir > up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your tank, > but there is almost always a specific water flow through a tank with a > lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, moving the > intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the bottom > going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the bottom, > this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom with much > less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the tank so your > other fish will find areas that they like... much like in a fast > flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the sides where > they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal with the > faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas where food > items being washed down the stream will sweep around a rock or tree > and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I > don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into > that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't > think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle on one > end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to > the other end of the tank. > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current > in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the > rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around > to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds > of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > > or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and > > then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through > > a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > > LOL > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters > > with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar > > directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the > > water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down > > that side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath > > the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through > > that tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy > > by floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of > > the tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have > > yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > complete > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an > > anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for > > getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon > > for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you > > did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be > > okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a > > bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > flow. > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all > > set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted > > tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, > > thoughts for the > future I guess, LOL. > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > > and the > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > downstairs. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. > > > I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for > > > saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! > > > Here they are if you want to see them anyhow. > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > > > > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on > > > sale right now. > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>>> > > > > > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > > > > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > > > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful > > > with how much and what direction your water flow and filter > > > returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that > > > set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much > > > water flow you should have or if you can make do with different > setups. > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out > > > there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for > > > her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I > > > could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and > > > get another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>>> > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near > > > > the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water > movement. > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > entire > tank. > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside > > > > the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also > > > > means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank > > > > to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other > > > > fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think > > > > my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the > > > > out-take > current. > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would > > > > not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in > > > > which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the > > > > loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do > > > > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach > > > > I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know > > > > there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just > > > > yet, but I do have > > my eye > > on a couple types). > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not > > > > make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind > > > > going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I > > > > already have drift wood > > soaking. > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give > > > > it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough > > > > water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are > > > > 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I > > > > need to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for > > > > "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > > > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35683	From: Wendie	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

BN's and clown loaches which are considered brookstream I believe. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). I'm confused, LOL. But I just woke up so bear with me ;). Have you kept the hillstream loaches in a community tank or were you refering to the BN pleco's? Amber Wendie wrote: > > I've kept them in a community tank. They've bred in a community tank > with the only drawback being that the loaches would patiently wait for > the babies to be kicked out of the caves ... dinner time. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amber Berglund > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that set > up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much water flow > you should have or if you can make do with different setups. > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out there > successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for her > salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I could > easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and get another > canister filter if it was needed later. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > movement on > > just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near the bottom and the > > upper levels would not see as much water movement. > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that would > > give the > > Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the entire tank. I like them > > newer powerheads where they are powered through the glass with the motor > > outside the tank and the impeller inside the tank with magnets > spinning to > > spin the impeller. That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my sense of > > humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are fairly peaceful > then, > > as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank to > > accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other fish will > > adjust > > to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think my danio's wouldn't > > mind as > > they seem to enjoy playing in the out-take current. I know that I > couldn't > > keep my female betta in there as it would not be a good environment > > for her, > > so she will have to go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in > > it. I > > know that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > would do > > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach I'm > > looking > > at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know there are several > > varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just yet, but I do have my > > eye on a > > couple types). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a > > faster > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not make > > it too > > fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind going out to find some > > large > > rocks to put in the tank, and I already have drift wood soaking. > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get another > > canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give it a good > current > > flow, but would that be too much or not enough water flow? I was > > thinking of > > running 2 magnum 350 (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister > > filters. Not > > sure how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not too > > much > > flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the > fish > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon tank. > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, I'm > > sure she > > wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Here is the IMDB listing for "The Terror of Tiny Town": > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>> > > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/> > > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/ > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030845/>>> > > > > > > In short, it is a short file (63 minutes) and a Western, starring all > > > midgets. The only thing that has been shortened for the cast are the > > > horses, everything else is normal sized. Short on cinematography, > > > short on acting, you need to lower your sense of humor to really enjoy > > > it (which, according to my wife is no problem for me). > > > > > > Let's see, did I get enough diminutives in there? > > > > > > I've not really seen any fighting in the bristlenose, but I have seen > > > one rapidly removing himself from the area of another one on many > > > occasions, sometimes with a short chase. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > No I haven't seen that one, but now you have my curiosity going ;) > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"? Probably the best movie ever made > > > for > > > > > under $100. <g>. BTW, it was out in 1978. > > > > > > > > > > Since they are relative dwarfs in the pleco family, maybe it would > > > be > > > > > better to have one bad guy, and do a remake of "The Terror of Tiny > > > > > Town" (1938). Have you seen that one? > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you getting over run with pleco's? ;) Good thing they're the > > > dwarf > > > > > > kind, if that's the case, hehe. > > > > > > At least they aren't attacking, then you'd really have to worry > > > > > > ;) > > > LOL, > > > > > > attack of the killer pleco's (if any of you actually watched the > > > movie, > > > > > > "Attack of the killer tomato's" from back in the 80's, it was a > > > horrible > > > > > > low budget movie, and yes I watched it, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually come in three colors - brown, albino (pale color > > > you > > > > > > > saw) and a marbled color. With the albino there are blue eyes > > > > > > > or > > > red > > > > > > > eyes. A lot of the home bred BN's carry the albino gene even > > > though > > > > > > > they are brown. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > PS If you live on eastern Long Island, you can come get all of > > > mine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Darlene > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:00 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the bristle nosed plecos supposed to be a pale beigey > color? > > > > > > > or is that an albino? > > > > > > > i saw a really nice one yesterday and it was a pretty pale > > > color, not > > > > > > > sure if that was normal or not. the pictures i saw all showed > > > darker > > > > > > > plecos ................. > > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35684	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a filter to flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or would it be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I don't have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus falling into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not hard to clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water quality and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is easier to siphon clean. Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how I could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the time on the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do something creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to the tank (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could mold and let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it doesn't injure any fish somehow. Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my tank like they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel too, it wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet to work with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to either give this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told my mom she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she wants it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the garbage dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, I > have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > tank so > there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the water. I have > the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out straight across to > the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend much of their time > nearer > to the bottom of the tank constantly foraging for food.. although they > will > also come up to the surface when begging but if the get too close to the > returning water, they will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus > get caught in that stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a > couple of seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > other end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > which > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at the > bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or two > small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it would > create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those two > areas and > then the water would get sucked up on the other end, only to repeat the > process. The rest of the tank would also get some circulation but not > nearly as much as the bottom between the two sprayers and the one or two > intakes. You would want the intake in the bottom-middle on one end and the > two sprayers on the bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need > that one canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > you'll have > the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of the tank, it > will be > a pretty good flow. > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > at the > bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that would also > create > a little more movement at the top since the water shooting out the > powerhead > would re-cycle across the top of the tank and return to the powerhead > intake. > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a Google > of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them and then > maybe > you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and then show us > what you > have for more suggestions. > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > or just > plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out between the > plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > hillstream > loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they are fairly > cheap > for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's though, but the magnum > gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, maybe it was the 4), and > it's > much cheaper. But the filstar's look a bit more user friendly for canister > maintenance. The powerhead that I have has no info on it that I can > see, so > I have no idea how fast it is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much > bigger than the powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am > sure it's fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of the > tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going to > use it. > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > the side > to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the outtake's on > the filters. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the faster > > flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just stir > > up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your tank, > > but there is almost always a specific water flow through a tank with a > > lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, moving the > > intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the bottom > > going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the bottom, > > this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom with much > > less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the tank so your > > other fish will find areas that they like... much like in a fast > > flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the sides where > > they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal with the > > faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas where food > > items being washed down the stream will sweep around a rock or tree > > and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I > > don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into > > that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't > > think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle on one > > end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to > > the other end of the tank. > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current > > in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the > > rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around > > to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds > > of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > > > or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and > > > then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through > > > a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > > > LOL > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters > > > with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar > > > directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the > > > water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down > > > that side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath > > > the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through > > > that tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy > > > by floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of > > > the tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have > > > yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > > complete > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an > > > anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for > > > getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon > > > for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you > > > did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be > > > okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a > > > bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > > flow. > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all > > > set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted > > > tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, > > > thoughts for the > > future I guess, LOL. > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > > > and the > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > > downstairs. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. > > > > I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for > > > > saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... 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You probably need to be a little more careful > > > > with how much and what direction your water flow and filter > > > > returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that > > > > set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much > > > > water flow you should have or if you can make do with different > > setups. > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out > > > > there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for > > > > her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I > > > > could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and > > > > get another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > 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<http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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<http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near > > > > > the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > > entire > > tank. > > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside > > > > > the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also > > > > > means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank > > > > > to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other > > > > > fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think > > > > > my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the > > > > > out-take > > current. > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would > > > > > not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in > > > > > which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the > > > > > loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do > > > > > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach > > > > > I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know > > > > > there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just > > > > > yet, but I do have > > > my eye > > > on a couple types). > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not > > > > > make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind > > > > > going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I > > > > > already have drift wood > > > soaking. > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give > > > > > it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough > > > > > water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are > > > > > 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I > > > > > need to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for > > > > > "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > > > > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon > tank. > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35685	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Oh and apparently this is what I can find on my powerhead, cut and pasted from a forum from another person trying to identify their powerhead. "a model 7 utility pump IS a mag drive that at zero feet of head pushes 700gph" That's a lot of water pushing, I think my loaches might be okay with that ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, I > have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > tank so > there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the water. I have > the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out straight across to > the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend much of their time > nearer > to the bottom of the tank constantly foraging for food.. although they > will > also come up to the surface when begging but if the get too close to the > returning water, they will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus > get caught in that stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a > couple of seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > other end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > which > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at the > bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or two > small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it would > create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those two > areas and > then the water would get sucked up on the other end, only to repeat the > process. The rest of the tank would also get some circulation but not > nearly as much as the bottom between the two sprayers and the one or two > intakes. You would want the intake in the bottom-middle on one end and the > two sprayers on the bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need > that one canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > you'll have > the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of the tank, it > will be > a pretty good flow. > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > at the > bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that would also > create > a little more movement at the top since the water shooting out the > powerhead > would re-cycle across the top of the tank and return to the powerhead > intake. > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a Google > of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them and then > maybe > you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and then show us > what you > have for more suggestions. > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > or just > plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out between the > plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > hillstream > loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they are fairly > cheap > for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's though, but the magnum > gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, maybe it was the 4), and > it's > much cheaper. But the filstar's look a bit more user friendly for canister > maintenance. The powerhead that I have has no info on it that I can > see, so > I have no idea how fast it is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much > bigger than the powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am > sure it's fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of the > tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going to > use it. > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > the side > to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the outtake's on > the filters. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the faster > > flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just stir > > up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your tank, > > but there is almost always a specific water flow through a tank with a > > lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, moving the > > intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the bottom > > going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the bottom, > > this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom with much > > less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the tank so your > > other fish will find areas that they like... much like in a fast > > flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the sides where > > they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal with the > > faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas where food > > items being washed down the stream will sweep around a rock or tree > > and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and I > > don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look into > > that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I don't > > think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle on one > > end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the current to > > the other end of the tank. > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra current > > in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far as the > > rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was asking around > > to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with any other kinds > > of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the same > > > or very similar water level. You could put both tanks downstairs and > > > then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way upstairs, through > > > a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > > > LOL > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my canisters > > > with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and the spray bar > > > directly above it on one side of the tank and I can clearly see the > > > water flow across the top of the tank to the other end, then down > > > that side and back across the bottom back to the intake underneath > > > the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow streams running through > > > that tank and the fish seem to like both of them and even get lazy > > > by floating up a little to take advantage of the flow to one end of > > > the tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I have > > > yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > > complete > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have an > > > anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS for > > > getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 gallon > > > for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same thing you > > > did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but it might be > > > okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up the flow a > > > bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > > flow. > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this all > > > set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice planted > > > tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, hmm, > > > thoughts for the > > future I guess, LOL. > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 gallon > > > and the > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > > downstairs. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. > > > > I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for > > > > saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... OUCH! > > > > Here they are if you want to see them anyhow. > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>>> > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16754>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Here's AquaClear's powerheads at DrsFosterSmith.com which are on > > > > sale right now. > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>>> > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4644>>>> > > > > > > > > And a different design on the powerhead compared to the AC's... > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>>> > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>> > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15955>>> > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing I just thought about is you have the Walstad type > > > > substrate... right? You probably need to be a little more careful > > > > with how much and what direction your water flow and filter > > > > returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw that > > > > set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how much > > > > water flow you should have or if you can make do with different > > setups. > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they were > > > > something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does anyone out > > > > there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank for > > > > her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it is), so I > > > > could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head for now, and > > > > get another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > 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<http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>>>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just near > > > > > the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much water > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > > entire > > tank. > > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through the > > > > > glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller inside > > > > > the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. That also > > > > > means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing tank > > > > > to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my other > > > > > fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. I think > > > > > my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing in the > > > > > out-take > > current. > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it would > > > > > not be a good environment for her, so she will have to go in > > > > > which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know that the > > > > > loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish would do > > > > > okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for the loach > > > > > I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream loaches (I know > > > > > there are several varieties, I'm not picky as to which one just > > > > > yet, but I do have > > > my eye > > > on a couple types). > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but not > > > > > make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't mind > > > > > going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, and I > > > > > already have drift wood > > > soaking. > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily get > > > > > another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it to give > > > > > it a good current flow, but would that be too much or not enough > > > > > water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 (which are > > > > > 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure how much flow I > > > > > need to make the loaches happy enough but not too much flow for > > > > > "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, platy's, which are the fish > > > > > that would most likely be joining the loaches in the 55 gallon > tank. > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35686	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is rated at 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and very well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not be sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the tank like you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the fast flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical since I've never actually done this before but from seeing how my own over-filtered goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement with just the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much movement in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the powerhead and it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is nearly 20X where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X of filtration/circulation. I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some flake food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves around and then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once you start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will redirect the water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a stream where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings between the rocks. With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be cleaned at all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked into your filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most natural for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted plants, etc. for other areas. As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages for how he made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this same type of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To make all the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's knife set and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. Applying just a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area where the heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of pictures so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might even find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project and if you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some smaller plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they would also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast for them in the upper levels. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm and http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 / http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a filter to flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or would it be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I don't have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus falling into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not hard to clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water quality and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is easier to siphon clean. Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how I could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the time on the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do something creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to the tank (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could mold and let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it doesn't injure any fish somehow. Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my tank like they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel too, it wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet to work with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to either give this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told my mom she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she wants it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the garbage dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in that > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the other > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, which > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > and return to the powerhead intake. > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > between the plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going > to use it. > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the > outtake's on the filters. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to the other. > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > current to the other end of the tank. > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, hehe). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs into the second tank. > > > LOL > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I can > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the other > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating down to go with the flow to the other end. > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel too. > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > > complete > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches anyways ;). > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > > flow. > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this > > > all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice > > > planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, > > > hmm, thoughts for the > > future I guess, LOL. > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 > > > gallon and the > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > > downstairs. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. > > > > I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for > > > > saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... 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You probably need to be a little more > > > > careful with how much and what direction your water flow and > > > > filter returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw > > > > that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how > > > > much water flow you should have or if you can make do with > > > > different > > setups. > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they > > > > were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does > > > > anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of fish? > > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank > > > > for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it > > > > is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head > > > > for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>>> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>>>>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just > > > > > near the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much > > > > > water > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > > entire > > tank. > > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through > > > > > the glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller > > > > > inside the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. > > > > > That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing > > > > > tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my > > > > > other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. > > > > > I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing > > > > > in the out-take > > current. > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it > > > > > would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to > > > > > go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know > > > > > that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > > > > would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for > > > > > the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream > > > > > loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as > > > > > to which one just yet, but I do have > > > my eye > > > on a couple types). > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but > > > > > not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't > > > > > mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, > > > > > and I already have drift wood > > > soaking. > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily > > > > > get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it > > > > > to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or > > > > > not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 > > > > > (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure > > > > > how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not > > > > > too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, > > > > > platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining > > > > > the loaches in the 55 gallon > tank. > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35687	From: rabbitbeast	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?

I'm new to Fancy Guppies, but not to aquariums. I've had one very successful aquarium, and I'm ready to start up another one. I'd just like to know if anyone can tell me a bit about fancy guppies and what kinds of fish they can live peacefully with. Also, a bit about different kinds of tetra would be appreciated. What kinds of tetras go well together, and if they get along with African Dwarf Frogs and Fancy Guppies. Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35688	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, brings a fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or channel locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less this way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is rated > at > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and very > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not be > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the tank like > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the fast > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical since I've > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own over-filtered > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement with just > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much movement > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the powerhead and > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is nearly 20X > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X of > filtration/circulation. > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some flake > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves around and > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once you > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will redirect the > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a stream > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings between > the rocks. > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be cleaned at > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked into your > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > natural > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted plants, > etc. for other areas. > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages for how > he > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this same type > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To make all > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's knife set > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. Applying just > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area where the > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of pictures > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might even > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project and if > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some smaller > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they would > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast for > them in the upper levels. > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm and > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > / > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a filter > to > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or would it > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I don't > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus falling > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not hard to > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water quality > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is easier > to siphon clean. > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how I > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the time on > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do something > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to the > tank > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could mold > and > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it doesn't > injure any fish somehow. > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my tank > like > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel too, it > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet to > work > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to either give > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told my > mom > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she wants > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the garbage > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in that > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the other > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, which > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > between the plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going > > to use it. > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to > the > other. > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone > as well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, > hehe). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs > into > the second tank. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I can > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the other > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating down > to > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel > too. > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > > > complete > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream loaches > anyways ;). > > > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > > > flow. > > > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the tank. > > > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get this > > > > all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a nice > > > > planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other tank, > > > > hmm, thoughts for the > > > future I guess, LOL. > > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 > > > > gallon and the > > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big one is > > > > downstairs. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well.. you might want to scratch that through the glass powerhead. > > > > > I just peeked at some of them and they are mostly for > > > > > saltwater/reef tanks and run in the hundreds of dollars... 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You probably need to be a little more > > > > > careful with how much and what direction your water flow and > > > > > filter returns go so you do not stir up the substrate. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw > > > > > that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly how > > > > > much water flow you should have or if you can make do with > > > > > different > > > setups. > > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they > > > > > were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does > > > > > anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other kinds of > fish? > > > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank > > > > > for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it > > > > > is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head > > > > > for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed later. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Loaches.com has a nice Hillstream system here... > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > > 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> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > 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<http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/water-movement-in-the-loach-aquarium> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just > > > > > > near the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much > > > > > > water > > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > > > entire > > > tank. > > > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through > > > > > > the glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller > > > > > > inside the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. > > > > > > That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > 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http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing > > > > > > tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my > > > > > > other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. > > > > > > I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing > > > > > > in the out-take > > > current. > > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it > > > > > > would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to > > > > > > go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know > > > > > > that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > > > > > would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for > > > > > > the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream > > > > > > loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as > > > > > > to which one just yet, but I do have > > > > my eye > > > > on a couple types). > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but > > > > > > not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't > > > > > > mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, > > > > > > and I already have drift wood > > > > soaking. > > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily > > > > > > get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it > > > > > > to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or > > > > > > not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 > > > > > > (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure > > > > > > how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not > > > > > > too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, > > > > > > platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining > > > > > > the loaches in the 55 gallon > > tank. > > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35689	From: pam andress	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

I've only had them about 4 months. I do water changes every week or so and feed them. Keep them at 84 degrees with live plants. Thats it. I have no idea right now what my water chemistry is. I have harder water. I think it is around 7. It has been a while since I tested my water. lol I do recommend Hans for discus though. I didn't loose one and his packing was fantastic. He also does not sell any until they are at least 2 inches. Now they are about 3 inches, so have grown and most of them are also allowing me to pet them now. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: latexluvr2001@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:02 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts How long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry?pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them.PamTo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: piercedarrow_107@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35690	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Ray, You might want to look into the Hasselblad H3DII-50. This digital camera should rival or surpass your transparencies. If you shop around, you can find it with an 80 mm lens for around $27,995. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:20 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > Deb, My photographic needs require film cameras; I have five top- > quality (Nikon) 35mm SLR (single lens reflex) cameras with which I > take only transparencies (slides). My scanner that I use with my > computer will not send slide images -- I guess I'd need a special > slide scanner to do that, so no, I don't have any pictures posted. > As I have no need for a digital camera, my present cameras filling > all my needs, I doubt I'll ever get into digital as I prefer the > quality of transparencies. If I ever have reason to get a slide > scanner, I would post them at that time. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > <pennafd@...> wrote: > > > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your > fish on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on > here? I would love to see them, too! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are > very colorful and > > > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell > all > > > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because > they > > > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the > moon > > > > light LED's). > > > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I > went > > > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame > Tetra's > > > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The > other > > > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different > times > > > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last > month > > > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the > head > > > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's > that I > > > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the > health > > > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest > fish > > > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last > month, > > > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten > any > > > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite > decision > > > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the > Danios. > > > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well > as a > > > > > fish person. > > > > > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. > I'll > > > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a > major > > > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > com > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look > authoritive. > > > > > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 > gallon > > > > > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 > gallon > > > > > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, > that > > > > > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will > not > > > > > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive > species, > > > > > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you > should > > > > > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes > and > > > > > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies > yet > > > > > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for > those > > > > > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I > assumed > > > > > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I > don't > > > > > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a > fairly > > > > > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with > something > > > > > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I > do > > > > > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The > tank > > > > > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have > had > > > > > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern > Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species > I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern > Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. > These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf > Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with > rainbowfish. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. > com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to > share > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35691	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/562.htm there are a number of sites like this one that lists a little about the fish and water conditions required and compatible species... hope this helps. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rabbitbeast" <rabbitbeast@...> wrote: > > I'm new to Fancy Guppies, but not to aquariums. I've had one very successful aquarium, and > I'm ready to start up another one. I'd just like to know if anyone can tell me a bit about fancy > guppies and what kinds of fish they can live peacefully with. > > Also, a bit about different kinds of tetra would be appreciated. What kinds of tetras go well > together, and if they get along with African Dwarf Frogs and Fancy Guppies. > Thanks! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35692	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach

Thanks Lenny, I had looked over this paludarium before but had not put much thought into making one. But now that I have my eye on the hillstream loaches, this might work great for a back/bottom, and your idea about making a shelf for plants would work great if I wanted plants in the tank without having them be blown away by the current, LOL. As it is my Severum uproots any small plants while he's looking for food, so I've stuck with just big plants or plants that they don't seem to want to eat and they leave alone. They've only destroyed one plant, and uprooted one (guess I put it in the wrong spot, LOL), the plant they destroyed was a new one I put in the tank though, so it was basically like an attraction for the fish to see what I added to the tank ;) My hubby has a mini torch for me to use to melt the foam insulation, and I'm going to see how much it will cost to get some here in town. I also have a dremmel to use to shape the foam first. My ideas are being formed that's for sure, LOL. The plexi glass ideas were great, if I didn't have to give the tank back later, LOL. So I think I will go with foam and figure out how I can attach it without making it permanent to the tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > rated at > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and very > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not be > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the tank like > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the fast > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical since > I've > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own over-filtered > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement with > just > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > movement > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the powerhead and > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is nearly 20X > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X of > filtration/circulation. > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some flake > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > around and > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once you > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > redirect the > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a stream > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings between > the rocks. > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be cleaned at > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked into > your > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > natural > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > plants, > etc. for other areas. > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages for > how he > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this same type > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To make all > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's knife set > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. Applying > just > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area where the > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of pictures > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might even > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > and if > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some smaller > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they would > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast for > them in the upper levels. > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> and > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > / > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > filter to > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > would it > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I don't > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus falling > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > hard to > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water quality > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is easier > to siphon clean. > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how I > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the time on > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do something > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to > the tank > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could > mold and > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it doesn't > injure any fish somehow. > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > tank like > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel too, it > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet > to work > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to either give > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told > my mom > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she wants > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the garbage > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in that > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the other > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, which > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > between the plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going > > to use it. > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end > to the > other. > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a feeding zone > as well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the tank. > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach fish, > hehe). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > stairs into > the second tank. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This type of system could also be modified to have more water > > > > > > movement on just one side of the bottom of the tank or just > > > > > > near the bottom and the upper levels would not see as much > > > > > > water > > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could also just put in a powerhead or two in an area that > > > > > > would give the Millstreams' a fast area without affecting the > > > > > > entire > > > tank. > > > > > > I like them newer powerheads where they are powered through > > > > > > the glass with the motor outside the tank and the impeller > > > > > > inside the tank with magnets spinning to spin the impeller. > > > > > > That also means one less wire and motor in the water. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > 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<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing > > > > > > tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my > > > > > > other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. > > > > > > I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing > > > > > > in the out-take > > > current. > > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it > > > > > > would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to > > > > > > go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know > > > > > > that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > > > > > would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for > > > > > > the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream > > > > > > loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as > > > > > > to which one just yet, but I do have > > > > my eye > > > > on a couple types). > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but > > > > > > not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't > > > > > > mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, > > > > > > and I already have drift wood > > > > soaking. > > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily > > > > > > get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it > > > > > > to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or > > > > > > not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 > > > > > > (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure > > > > > > how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not > > > > > > too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, > > > > > > platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining > > > > > > the loaches in the 55 gallon > > tank. > > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35693	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

Pam, I am new to this site so I am ignorant to some of your shorthand. Who is Hans? Does he sell other fish, as well and can you send a website? Thanks, Deb --- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:54 PM I've only had them about 4 months. I do water changes every week or so and feed them. Keep them at 84 degrees with live plants. Thats it. I have no idea right now what my water chemistry is. I have harder water. I think it is around 7. It has been a while since I tested my water. lol I do recommend Hans for discus though. I didn't loose one and his packing was fantastic. He also does not sell any until they are at least 2 inches. Now they are about 3 inches, so have grown and most of them are also allowing me to pet them now. Pam To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: latexluvr2001@ yahoo.comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:02 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts How long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry?pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: piercedarrow_ 107@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35694	From: pam andress	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

Discus Hans as he is called, sells Stendker Discus. These are from Germany. He is thinking about getting into some other fish, but last I heard he still had only discus. http://www.discus-hans-usa.com/ Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: pennafd@...: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:45:13 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts Pam,I am new to this site so I am ignorant to some of your shorthand. Who is Hans? Does he sell other fish, as well and can you send a website?Thanks,Deb--- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote:From: pam andress <pamandress23@...>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:54 PMI've only had them about 4 months. I do water changes every week or so and feed them. Keep them at 84 degrees with live plants. Thats it. I have no idea right now what my water chemistry is. I have harder water. I think it is around 7. It has been a while since I tested my water. lol I do recommend Hans for discus though. I didn't loose one and his packing was fantastic. He also does not sell any until they are at least 2 inches. Now they are about 3 inches, so have grown and most of them are also allowing me to pet them now.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: latexluvr2001@ yahoo.comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:02 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiastsHow long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry?pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: piercedarrow_ 107@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35695	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to it ;) Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > brings a > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or channel > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > this > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > rated > > at > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and very > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not be > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > tank like > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the fast > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > since I've > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own over-filtered > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > with just > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > movement > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > powerhead and > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > nearly 20X > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X of > > filtration/circulation. > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > flake > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > around and > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once you > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > redirect the > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > stream > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > between > > the rocks. > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > cleaned at > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > into your > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > natural > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > plants, > > etc. for other areas. > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > for how > > he > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > same type > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > make all > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > knife set > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > Applying just > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > where the > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > pictures > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > even > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > and if > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some smaller > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > would > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast for > > them in the upper levels. > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> and > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > > / > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > filter > > to > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > would it > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > don't > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > falling > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > hard to > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > quality > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > easier > > to siphon clean. > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how I > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > time on > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do something > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to the > > tank > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could mold > > and > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > doesn't > > injure any fish somehow. > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my tank > > like > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > too, it > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet to > > work > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > either give > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told my > > mom > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > wants > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > garbage > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in that > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the other > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, which > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow at > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > > between the plants. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> (Links > > to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto: > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as they > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going > > > to use it. > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near the > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end to > > the > > other. > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring released > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in your > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, plant, > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near the > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal > > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a > > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a > feeding zone > > as well. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the > tank. > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, and > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > fish, > > hehe). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs > > into > > the second tank. > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about having > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I can > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the other > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > down > > to > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently does > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain sand/gravel > > too. > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the eco > > > > > complete > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants like > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the LFS > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, but > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break up > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > loaches > > anyways ;). > > > > > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the proper > > > > > flow. > > > > > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the > tank. > > > > > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge to > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between the > > > > > two tanks. 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On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:22 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie looks a bit amusing, although I find it easy to lower my > > > > > > > sense of humor most of the time ;) Glad to hear your BN's are > > > > > > > fairly peaceful then, as I'm getting some in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on making one of my tanks into a faster flowing > > > > > > > tank to accommodate some fancy loaches, I'm wondering how my > > > > > > > other fish will adjust to a faster flowing fish tank now, LOL. > > > > > > > I think my danio's wouldn't mind as they seem to enjoy playing > > > > > > > in the out-take > > > > current. > > > > > > > I know that I couldn't keep my female betta in there as it > > > > > > > would not be a good environment for her, so she will have to > > > > > > > go in which-ever tank doesn't have the loaches in it. I know > > > > > > > that the loaches like a lower water temp, and most of my fish > > > > > > > would do okay at 77 degrees too, which is the higher range for > > > > > > > the loach I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Hillstream > > > > > > > loaches (I know there are several varieties, I'm not picky as > > > > > > > to which one just yet, but I do have > > > > > my eye > > > > > on a couple types). > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get a faster > > > > > > > current in my tank to make the hillstream loaches happy but > > > > > > > not make it too fast for all of my other fish too? I don't > > > > > > > mind going out to find some large rocks to put in the tank, > > > > > > > and I already have drift wood > > > > > soaking. > > > > > > > I still have the 55 gallon sitting empty and I could easily > > > > > > > get another canister filter and run 2 canister filters on it > > > > > > > to give it a good current flow, but would that be too much or > > > > > > > not enough water flow? I was thinking of running 2 magnum 350 > > > > > > > (which are 350 gallons per hour) canister filters. Not sure > > > > > > > how much flow I need to make the loaches happy enough but not > > > > > > > too much flow for "normal" fish like danio's, guppy's, > > > > > > > platy's, which are the fish that would most likely be joining > > > > > > > the loaches in the 55 gallon > > > tank. > > > > > > > I can always go out and find a small tank for my female betta, > > > > > > > I'm sure she wouldn't mind being alone too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35696	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Ray, If you ever get the hankering to post some photos, you can take the negatives into any Walgreen's or similar place and they can give you a digital disc (CD) from your negatives. You just pop that CD in your computer and load the pictures up. You can choose which pics you want copied onto the CD or have them copy all of them from the negatives. I suspect all places that develop photographs do this now. I understand your reluctance to go digital. I once was a photographer hobbyist. Took me ages to go digital. Still haven't invested in a really good camera, but one of these days.... Deb --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:20 AM Deb, My photographic needs require film cameras; I have five top- quality (Nikon) 35mm SLR (single lens reflex) cameras with which I take only transparencies (slides). My scanner that I use with my computer will not send slide images -- I guess I'd need a special slide scanner to do that, so no, I don't have any pictures posted. As I have no need for a digital camera, my present cameras filling all my needs, I doubt I'll ever get into digital as I prefer the quality of transparencies. If I ever have reason to get a slide scanner, I would post them at that time. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? I would love to see them, too! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > light LED's). > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > fish person. > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > length. > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35697	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Amber, Thank you for that reminder about the male/female ratio. Seems to be that way with a lot of fish. Like you, I prefer to get fish from my LFSs first, if I can. I am a strong, "support local" person. However, if the the LFSs do not have something I want or if their supplies look unhealthy, I like to know where other trustworthy suppliers are located so I always ask others about their sources. I had the issue of not being able to get healthy frogs locally and was glad to know a member of our frog group had some healthy frogs to spare, for example. Deb --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:54 PM I've gotten all of my current fish from my LFS. I am only just now looking at ordering fish from people on the internet. I guess I've just gotten lucky with my LFS so far, they seem to order the popular fish at least ;) One thing to remember with the dwarf gourami's is try to only get 1 male, and a few females if you get more than one. The males can be territorial and chase and fight each other, and other fish sometimes. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Amber, I think your pics were great. Very nice fish! I loved all of > them. Gourami is another fish I at the top of my list. Yours is > beautiful. All of them are just beautiful! Did you find all of them at > your LFS or did you have to order some? > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:03 PM > > Well I tried posting pics, but danio's are speedy little guys, so most > > of them are just a colorful blur, LOL. I think I had a couple decent > > pics, my gourami was a lot more willing to show off his colors than my > > danio's where though. They are all in the group photo's under Amber > > Berglund. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish > > > on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? > > > I would love to see them, too! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > > > > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > > > > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > > > > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > > > > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > > > > > light LED's). > > > > > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, I went > > > > > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame Tetra's > > > > > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The other > > > > > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different times > > > > > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > > > > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than the head > > > > > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > > > > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > > > > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest fish > > > > > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last month, > > > > > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > > > > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > > > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite decision > > > > > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > > > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > > > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as well as a > > > > > > > fish person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > > > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > > > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > > > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you will not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with rainbowfish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35698	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

I'm guessing you might be talking about this design: http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design I'm going to modify it, and cover the pvc piping (on the bottom of the tank, and the left side where the outtakes will be) with the foam and cut out holes where the pvc outtakes are going to be, and I guess I could just leave the sponges visible on the other end of the tank since they will need to be cleaned regularly. I will definately post pics when I get all of this started (which should hopefully be this weekend). According to the site I have the minimum power required with my powerhead, and by adding a canister filter would have more than the minimum. I want to have a canister filter as well to help with water quality if I want to use carbon for something, etc. Thankfully the canister filter I had in mind is the lesser powered eheim so I won't overpower my tank ;) LOL. I'm wondering if I should use the eheim at the middle part of the tank (outtake) so that it puts a medium flow of current through the middle part of the tank? If I put it at the bottom too it'll make it uneven unless I put it right in the middle or something? Thoughts on this? LOL Perhaps I should skip a canister filter and put on a HOB? Get a cheap aquaclear to put on the tank, but I could only put it on one end or on one side on the back of the tank since it has a middle divider. I wanted to use a canister filter out of the fact that I have one sitting downstairs that just needs cleaned and put back together (plus new tubing). But the aquaclear filters are pretty cheap so I could go that route if it would be better than adding even more current to the tank with the canister filter. I'm tired, hope all of that made sense, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to it ;) > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > brings a > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > channel > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > > this > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > > rated > > > at > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches > and very > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will > not be > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > tank like > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get > the fast > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > since I've > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > over-filtered > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > with just > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > movement > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > powerhead and > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > nearly 20X > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, > 10X of > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > > flake > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > around and > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > once you > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > redirect the > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > stream > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > between > > > the rocks. > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > cleaned at > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > into your > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > > natural > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > > plants, > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > for how > > > he > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > same type > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > make all > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > knife set > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > Applying just > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > where the > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > pictures > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > > even > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > > and if > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > smaller > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > > would > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > fast for > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> and > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28>> > > > / > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering a > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > filter > > > to > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > would it > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > > don't > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > falling > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > > hard to > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > quality > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > > easier > > > to siphon clean. > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder > how I > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > time on > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > something > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant > to the > > > tank > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you > could mold > > > and > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > doesn't > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > tank > > > like > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > too, it > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > feet to > > > work > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > either give > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > lasts > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I > told my > > > mom > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > > wants > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > garbage > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > xp3, > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end > of the > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > spend > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught > in that > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > other > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > which > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder > flow at > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake > in the > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > down > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> (Links > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto: > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, > as they > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead > that I > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > going > > > > to use it. > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > near the > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one > end to > > > the > > > other. > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > released > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around > in your > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > plant, > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > near the > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > like > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off > to the > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > deal > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. 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It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but > as far > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > with > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > > fish, > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all > the way > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > stairs > > > into > > > the second tank. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > having > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > plumbed > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > actually > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and > I can > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > other > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > > down > > > to > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! 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Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon > currently does > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > sand/gravel > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so > the eco > > > > > > complete > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier > plants like > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at > the LFS > > > > > > for getting another one of them. 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> > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35699	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

I fully agree with supporting my local stores, I just wish I had more choices when I wanted to shop elsewhere, LOL. I'm looking at getting pleco's, loaches and snails, and maybe something else in the future cuz you never know ;) But since my LFS does not sell anything but big pleco's and none of the loaches that I want, I've been emailing online retailers looking to see if someone will ship to my location, thankfully I found someone on this list that has pleco's and snails that I want, so now I just need to wait for the loaches (I've been watching aquabid.com LOL). Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Amber, > > Thank you for that reminder about the male/female ratio. Seems to be > that way with a lot of fish. > > Like you, I prefer to get fish from my LFSs first, if I can. I am a > strong, "support local" person. However, if the the LFSs do not have > something I want or if their supplies look unhealthy, I like to know > where other trustworthy suppliers are located so I always ask others > about their sources. I had the issue of not being able to get healthy > frogs locally and was glad to know a member of our frog group had some > healthy frogs to spare, for example. > > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:54 PM > > I've gotten all of my current fish from my LFS. I am only just now > > looking at ordering fish from people on the internet. > > I guess I've just gotten lucky with my LFS so far, they seem to order > > the popular fish at least ;) > > One thing to remember with the dwarf gourami's is try to only get 1 > > male, and a few females if you get more than one. The males can be > > territorial and chase and fight each other, and other fish sometimes. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Amber, I think your pics were great. Very nice fish! I loved all of > > > them. Gourami is another fish I at the top of my list. Yours is > > > beautiful. All of them are just beautiful! Did you find all of them at > > > your LFS or did you have to order some? > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:03 PM > > > > > > Well I tried posting pics, but danio's are speedy little guys, so most > > > > > > of them are just a colorful blur, LOL. I think I had a couple decent > > > > > > pics, my gourami was a lot more willing to show off his colors than my > > > > > > danio's where though. They are all in the group photo's under Amber > > > > > > Berglund. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information. Have you posted pictures of your fish > > > > > > > on the site? Ray, did you post pictures of your cool rainbows on here? > > > > > > > I would love to see them, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My favorite of the danio's are the glofish, they are very colorful and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you get a black light or "moon" lights (the LED kind that sell all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the place), the glofish glow very brightly under both kinds of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting, and it's almost like they are attracted to it because they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love to play right after the lights go out at my house (under the moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light LED's). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found that some of the tetra's are not as hardy as others, > I went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through a few different varieties before I settled on the Flame > Tetra's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I got, and I haven't lost a single one since I got them. The > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tetra's that I lost were due to fin/tail rot and ich (at different > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thankfully), these flame tetra's made it through ich this last month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just fine though, so I'd have to say they are much hardier than > the head > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tail light tetra's that I had before, or the serpae tetra's that I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replaced the head and tail light tetra's with. Granted all the health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues could very well be due to the LFS not having the healthiest > fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the first place, which is why I bought a quarantine tank last > month, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it has yet to be used for quarantine since I haven't gotten any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new fish in a couple months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ray. Danios are on my list. They are cool. I was also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considering sword fish and tetras. I have not made a definite > decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about which fish I will get other than the rainbows and the Danios. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how you knew just which fish I had on my mind after just a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of posts on my part. Guess you are a people person as > well as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My tank is a 36 inch tank so they will have some room to swim. I'll > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to give it plenty of plants and filtration, but I want to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful not to overstock with fish. It seems to me that is a major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem among fish folks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:sevenspring ss%40wmconnect. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > salt. A second rule is not to believe everything you read -- when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking into consideration that anyone (no matter now learned or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you've read is probably not too far from the truth, but then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, it may have been referring to the smaller species of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish. One thing you are overlooking here is that a 30 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank has 72 more square inches of swimming area than does a 29 > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank as its 6" longer; not a great difference but does offer more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > length. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to see, by your follow-up post to your message below, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have decided on the smaller Rainbows, which I'm sure you > will not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be disappointed with. As you want to include other species, I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend getting a school of 5 (minimum) of just one of those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller species I recommended. As for other non-aggressive species, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are a hugh number of various Tetra species of which you should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to find something of interest, their coming in all sizes and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colors. They will fill in the niche of the lower 1/3 of the tank, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while the Rainbowfish will habituate the upper 1/3 of the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also consider some top water dwellers such as some small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Danios in addition, if room provides, although by your message it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that you lean towards livebearers. In that case you might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider Platies in place of the Danios. They're not aggressive, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come in many different color varieties, are larger than guppies yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller than Mollies and do not need to be kept in "schools" of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 5 -- although it is best to have 2 females for one male > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather than just a pair. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ray and Donna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed to learn that my 29g is not big enough for those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautifully colored rainbows! I had looked them up on a couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish sites that said a 30g was the minimum size for them. I assumed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only expected a few fish would go into a few the tank. But I > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want them to have miserable lives with me. My goal was to do a > fairly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavily planted tank with some colorful fish. I just fell in love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with those 4 to 5 inch rainbows when I saw the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the smaller rainbows to which you refer, Ray. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think I want something with more variety in the color even though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are really beautiful fish. I might put those in with something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else if they do not need to be schooled in large numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not stuck on rainbows if you have any other suggestions. I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not want aggressive fish. I really do not want fish fights. The tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a 29g long. Ahhh, a blank canvas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think guppies are a bit smaller than I want right now. Mollies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be aggressive, though it's been about 13 years since I have had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mollies and I was a novice fish keeper back then so maybe my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique caused their behavior? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent community (or species) tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish, and a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more unusual with their double-dorsal fins -- one feature I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed about them. While most are very nicely colored, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great looking ones available, however most get too large for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your 29 gallon tank when you consider how active they remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One exceptionally colored species, and one of my favorites is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia trifasciata Goyder River, the latter part of the name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to the location it's found in, in Northeastern > Australia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but again, you would need a larger tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another all-time favorite Rainbowfish of mine, which I first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1954, is the Dwarf Australian Rainbowfish, Melanotaenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maccullochi, which gets to just shy of 3"; this is one species I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend to you for your 29 gallon. Also going by several other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > common names (Queensland Rainbowfish, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seven- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Line Rainbowfish, etc.), it's found in both Northeastern Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and southern New Guinea, there are at least five different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this fish in the hobby, although the one I like best is from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cairn's with my second best choice being the Jardine River. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put all others to shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other recommendation for your 29 gallon tank is the Dwarf Neon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish, M. praecox which is slightly smaller. It does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide of distribution, being only found so far in two closely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located rivers of northern Irian Jaya (West Papua, New Guinea), so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need to be as vigilant when seeking out this species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to decide what I want to put into my 29 > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank when I move my goldfish and I think I may go with > rainbowfish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw this information and the photos below and fell in love > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos! Does anyone out there have rainbowfish? I would love to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information is from http://aquaticconce pts.thekrib. com/ I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could not get the information for the exact page in order to share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Australian and New Guinea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rainbowfish are excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in plant tanks. Besides having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost salt-water-like colors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are active and sociable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shown here is a "Yellow", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. herbertaxelrodi and two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turquoise", M. lacustris. A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilantherina bleheri tail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is on the far right and a female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. bosemani is the smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish to the left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melanotaenia splendide is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the left, then C. bleheri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. lacustris, a Glossilepsis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incisus male on top, and part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a male M. bosemani on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35700	From: Veronica	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

Is he the guy from Baltimore?  He doesn't have the typical "fussy" discus. Veronica We have war when at least one of the parties to a conflict wants something more than it wants peace. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick   --- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:50 PM Discus Hans as he is called, sells Stendker Discus. These are from Germany. He is thinking about getting into some other fish, but last I heard he still had only discus. http://www.discus- hans-usa. com/ Pam To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: pennafd@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:45:13 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts Pam,I am new to this site so I am ignorant to some of your shorthand. Who is Hans? Does he sell other fish, as well and can you send a website?Thanks, Deb--- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote:From: pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:54 PMI've only had them about 4 months. I do water changes every week or so and feed them. Keep them at 84 degrees with live plants. Thats it. I have no idea right now what my water chemistry is. I have harder water. I think it is around 7. It has been a while since I tested my water. lol I do recommend Hans for discus though. I didn't loose one and his packing was fantastic. He also does not sell any until they are at least 2 inches. Now they are about 3 inches, so have grown and most of them are also allowing me to pet them now.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: latexluvr2001@ yahoo.comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:02 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiastsHow long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry?pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: piercedarrow_ 107@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35701	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Come on Ray, Even Paul Loiselle switched to digital a couple years ago :) -Mike In a message dated 1/13/2009 7:47:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sevenspringss@... writes: Deb, My photographic needs require film cameras; I have five top- quality (Nikon) 35mm SLR (single lens reflex) cameras with which I take only transparencies (slides). My scanner that I use with my computer will not send slide images -- I guess I'd need a special slide scanner to do that, so no, I don't have any pictures posted. As I have no need for a digital camera, my present cameras filling all my needs, I doubt I'll ever get into digital as I prefer the quality of transparencies. If I ever have reason to get a slide scanner, I would post them at that time. Ray **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35702	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35703	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

On a similar note, and to add to Bill's questions, I'm having a brown "algae" bloom also. Could an expert set me straight on this, please? If I'm remembering from recent posted links, I don't need to worry about it other than that it's not very pretty? Also, is there any benefit to leaving it in until the green algae gets established, such as oxygenation or nitrate removal? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35704	From: pam andress	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Discus enthusiasts

Yes he is from Baltimore. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: bbquadmama@...: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:01:06 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts Is he the guy from Baltimore? He doesn't have the typical "fussy" discus.VeronicaWe have war when at least one of the parties to a conflict wants something more than it wants peace.Jeane J. Kirkpatrick --- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote:From: pam andress <pamandress23@...>Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiastsTo: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:50 PMDiscus Hans as he is called, sells Stendker Discus. These are from Germany. He is thinking about getting into some other fish, but last I heard he still had only discus.http://www.discus- hans-usa. com/PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: pennafd@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:45:13 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiastsPam,I am new to this site so I am ignorant to some of your shorthand. Who is Hans? Does he sell other fish, as well and can you send a website?Thanks, Deb--- On Tue, 1/13/09, pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote:From: pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:54 PMI've only had them about 4 months. I do water changes every week or so and feed them. Keep them at 84 degrees with live plants. Thats it. I have no idea right now what my water chemistry is. I have harder water. I think it is around 7. It has been a while since I tested my water. lol I do recommend Hans for discus though. I didn't loose one and his packing was fantastic. He also does not sell any until they are at least 2 inches. Now they are about 3 inches, so have grown and most of them are also allowing me to pet them now.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: latexluvr2001@ yahoo.comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:02 -0800Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Re: Discus enthusiastsHow long have you kept them? How rigid is your water chemistry?pam andress <pamandress23@ hotmail.com> wrote: I have 6 in a 55 gal. I love them.PamTo: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: piercedarrow_ 107@yahoo. comDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:15:04 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Discus enthusiasts[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35705	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Unknown fish

Hi, Thanks for letting me join your group guys! I was wondering if any of you more experienced fish-keepers could help me work out what one of my fish is. My partner bought it as an angelicus but I'm not sure it is. It has vertical zebra-like stripes but in dark and light brown, whiskers and a double-pointed tail. Its also paler underneath than on top. It seems to be fairly aggressive, especially with our little plecos, and is always hiding. I'll try to take a photo of it, but does anyone have any suggestions in the meantime? Thanks! Becki

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

Since you mentioned that you were planning on keeping water quality in excellent condition, you should probably go with a filter system that is easy to do maintenance on, so it will be easier to do more frequently. The sponge blocks will certainly be easy to lift off the intakes of the powerhead circulation system.. and don't squeeze the sponges while in the tank. I usually leave them in the water and then use a large bowl, 32 oz. plastic cup, etc. to slide/dip under the sponge before lifting it out the water so any detritus in the sponges does not drip back into the tank. If you go with the AC HOB, you could try it on either end but it would probably be best to put it on the end where the powerhead is at so the waterfall flow from the AC will be more likely to blend in with the circulation. The water coming right out the powerhead will be less likely to be disrupted by the water from the waterfall whereas the slower flowing water at the other end would be more likely to be altered by the water from the HOB. You might have to try it on both ends before you make a final decision. Although, having the filters intake on the bottom/end where all the water is getting pushed too might be better also since the detritus' first trip around the tank will be to that end. This is where using the canister filter so you could plumb the intake down to the bottom to suck up the majority of the water, detritus, etc. and filter it out of the tank would be best but technically, you could also plumb the intake of an HOB so that the actual intake is between the two sponge blocks instead of it just being at the bottom of the uplift tube like the standard HOB. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). I'm guessing you might be talking about this design: http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design I'm going to modify it, and cover the pvc piping (on the bottom of the tank, and the left side where the outtakes will be) with the foam and cut out holes where the pvc outtakes are going to be, and I guess I could just leave the sponges visible on the other end of the tank since they will need to be cleaned regularly. I will definately post pics when I get all of this started (which should hopefully be this weekend). According to the site I have the minimum power required with my powerhead, and by adding a canister filter would have more than the minimum. I want to have a canister filter as well to help with water quality if I want to use carbon for something, etc. Thankfully the canister filter I had in mind is the lesser powered eheim so I won't overpower my tank ;) LOL. I'm wondering if I should use the eheim at the middle part of the tank (outtake) so that it puts a medium flow of current through the middle part of the tank? If I put it at the bottom too it'll make it uneven unless I put it right in the middle or something? Thoughts on this? LOL Perhaps I should skip a canister filter and put on a HOB? Get a cheap aquaclear to put on the tank, but I could only put it on one end or on one side on the back of the tank since it has a middle divider. I wanted to use a canister filter out of the fact that I have one sitting downstairs that just needs cleaned and put back together (plus new tubing). But the aquaclear filters are pretty cheap so I could go that route if it would be better than adding even more current to the tank with the canister filter. I'm tired, hope all of that made sense, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to it ;) > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > brings a > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > channel > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > > this > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > > rated > > > at > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches > and very > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will > not be > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > tank like > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get > the fast > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > since I've > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > over-filtered > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > with just > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > movement > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > powerhead and > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > nearly 20X > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, > 10X of > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > > flake > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > around and > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > once you > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > redirect the > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > stream > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > between > > > the rocks. > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > cleaned at > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > into your > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > > natural > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > > plants, > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > for how > > > he > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > same type > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > make all > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > knife set > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > Applying just > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > where the > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > pictures > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > > even > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > > and if > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > smaller > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > > would > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > fast for > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> and > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 8> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 8 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 8>> > > > / > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering a > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > filter > > > to > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > would it > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > > don't > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > falling > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > > hard to > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > quality > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > > easier > > > to siphon clean. > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder > how I > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > time on > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > something > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant > to the > > > tank > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you > could mold > > > and > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > doesn't > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > tank > > > like > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > too, it > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > feet to > > > work > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > either give > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > lasts > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I > told my > > > mom > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > > wants > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > garbage > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > xp3, > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end > of the > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > spend > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught > in that > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > other > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > which > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder > flow at > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake > in the > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > down > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> (Links > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto: > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, > as they > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead > that I > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > going > > > > to use it. > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > near the > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one > end to > > > the > > > other. > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > released > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around > in your > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > plant, > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > near the > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > like > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off > to the > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > deal > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. 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It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but > as far > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > with > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > > fish, > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all > the way > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > stairs > > > into > > > the second tank. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > having > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > plumbed > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > actually > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and > I can > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > other > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > > down > > > to > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! 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Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon > currently does > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > sand/gravel > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so > the eco > > > > > > complete > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier > plants like > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at > the LFS > > > > > > for getting another one of them. 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<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:27 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ooh fancy powerheads, haven't seen those kind yet. LOL. I saw > > > > > > > that set up, read the article, but they don't state > exactly how > > > > > > > much water flow you should have or if you can make do with > > > > > > > different > > > > > setups. > > > > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they > > > > > > > were something that had to be a "species only" setup. Does > > > > > > > anyone out there successfully keep these guys with other > > kinds of > > > fish? > > > > > > > I have a powerhead set aside (it came with the 125 gallon tank > > > > > > > for her salt water setup, but she didn't tell me how fast it > > > > > > > is), so I could easily use 1 canister filter and a power head > > > > > > > for now, and get another canister filter if it was needed > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35707	From: morton57	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Sick Pleco

Hi, I'm a new member. I mostly keep aquatic turtles but I have 4 plecostamus fish as well. They are kept outside during the warmer months but I bring the plecos indoors when the water temperatures drop below 50F. 2 of them are about 15" long and two are about 10" long. They have been indoors about 6 weeks now. I noticed a red round ulceration on the underside of one of the plecos about the size of a quarter and the pleco's belly was swollen as well. I isolated it and treated with tetracycline for about 5 days and stopped per the instructions on the medication. The ulceration seemed darker in color as if healing and the swelling seemed to have gone down . I added salt to the tank to aid the recovery. Its now about 5 days after the medication stopped and he has become bloated again. Additionally, the fish has not been eating since I noticed and began treating the ulcer. So it has been many days since I have seen him take food. I have begun a second course of tetracycline. Here are my questions: 1) has anyone treated a sore of the above description? 2) without actually culturing the infected area which is impractical and probably too late at this point, does treating with tetracycline a second time seem like a good idea? ( If the swelling does go down again i plan to continue the tetracycline for a longer period. Ten days probably. ) 3) When they live out doors they are eating alage and the stuff the turtles do not eat. Indoors I have fed them algae wafers and turtle food (because I have seen them eat that outdoors). Is there an irresistible food for them that I can use to try and get this sick fish to start eating? 4) Will an under gravel filter using small river rock filter out the medication the way carbon does? 5) Does anyone know of a fish vet in Dallas, TX? Thanks. Ed

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35708	From: joe t	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?

Hi Rabbitbeast:     I think most tetras, especially the small ones like neons, cardinals, and rummy noses, etc would probably get along with the guppies.  However, they are a world apart in pH needs.  The guppies like a higher pH than the tetras.  True, the fish may acclimate if the different pH changes are not imposed too quickly, but to me this presents a problem for the welfare of the fish that is having to make the change.    My real concern for the guppies are the frogs you mentioned.  I don't keep them (frogs, that is) but according to everything I have heard, the guppies may make a good source of food for them. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35709	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?

I have flame tetra's and guppies along with platy's all together, but they are in a 125 gallon tank right now with plenty of swimming room. My pH is only 6.1 and I have very soft water. My guppies are doing just fine at a lower pH and are popping out babies like normal. I don't have any frogs in with them though, my african dwarf frog is in with my male betta in a 10 gallon tank. Amber joe t wrote: > > Hi Rabbitbeast: > > I think most tetras, especially the small ones like neons, > cardinals, and rummy noses, etc would probably get along with the > guppies. However, they are a world apart in pH needs. The guppies > like a higher pH than the tetras. True, the fish may acclimate if the > different pH changes are not imposed too quickly, but to me this > presents a problem for the welfare of the fish that is having to make > the change. > > My real concern for the guppies are the frogs you mentioned. I > don't keep them (frogs, that is) but according to everything I have > heard, the guppies may make a good source of food for them. > > joe t > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35710	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?

Oh and I started out with salt in the tank for my guppies and platy's and have been slowly lowering the salt with each PWC each week, so they gradually get used to not having salt in their tank (or at least very little). Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I have flame tetra's and guppies along with platy's all together, but > they are in a 125 gallon tank right now with plenty of swimming room. My > pH is only 6.1 and I have very soft water. My guppies are doing just > fine at a lower pH and are popping out babies like normal. I don't have > any frogs in with them though, my african dwarf frog is in with my male > betta in a 10 gallon tank. > > Amber > > joe t wrote: > > > > Hi Rabbitbeast: > > > > I think most tetras, especially the small ones like neons, > > cardinals, and rummy noses, etc would probably get along with the > > guppies. However, they are a world apart in pH needs. The guppies > > like a higher pH than the tetras. True, the fish may acclimate if the > > different pH changes are not imposed too quickly, but to me this > > presents a problem for the welfare of the fish that is having to make > > the change. > > > > My real concern for the guppies are the frogs you mentioned. I > > don't keep them (frogs, that is) but according to everything I have > > heard, the guppies may make a good source of food for them. > > > > joe t > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35711	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

The only problem with putting a HOB on one end of the tank is that I use the versa top's which are half plastic half glass and they bend in the middle, and it it designed to fit inside the lip of the rim of the tank. And I can't cut glass, wonder if I could put a lip on the edge of the AC HOB filter to hold the lid up, but that will take some fabrication ;) Perhaps it would just be better to go with a canister filter and put the outtake on the same end as the powerhead, and put the intake on the sponge end, there would be less work to do, and I think less money to be spent, since I already have a canister filter that just needs some more tubing so that I could change the intake/outtakes so they aren't right next to each other. I also realized while reading up on all of this that my 125 gallon has an odd current to it. all the filters are on one end of the tank, and since the tank is 6 feet long that's a lot of way for the water to flow before it comes back to the intakes. So I'm thinking I need to figure out something different for that tank as well. I can't put the HOB on the right end as the back of the tank is crooked (no idea how that happened but now that it's full of water I can't move the tank, LOL). So the right end of the tank is closer to the wall behind than the left side, so the HOB aquaclear 110 has to go on the left side of the tank. I could put the magnum 350 on the other end like it was, so it pushes the water down to the left side of the tank to the HOB, and my fluidized bed filter which is also on the left end of the tank. Would it be best to have an intake on each end or should I keep the filters all on one end and put in a powerhead to push the water back to the left side of the tank? I don't have any extra tubing for the magnum 350 so the intake/outtakes are the same length and right next to each other, I would have to order extra tubing for it before I could separate the intake and outtakes to opposite ends of the tank. I currently have 2 filters and a bio filter on the tank, not sure how much water the bio filter (fluidized bed filter) pushes, but it trickles out like a HOB does, so it's not much water pressure. I have the magnum 350 and the aquaclear 110 for the water cleaning part. Amber I'm sure the current in my 125 gallon tank is a bit odd right now though, I'm almost afraid to do a test to see how it circulates, LOL. I'm guessing that no current is on one end of the tank though since it's having to push 6 feet and there's nothing to push it back. Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Since you mentioned that you were planning on keeping water quality in > excellent condition, you should probably go with a filter system that is > easy to do maintenance on, so it will be easier to do more frequently. The > sponge blocks will certainly be easy to lift off the intakes of the > powerhead circulation system.. and don't squeeze the sponges while in the > tank. I usually leave them in the water and then use a large bowl, 32 oz. > plastic cup, etc. to slide/dip under the sponge before lifting it out the > water so any detritus in the sponges does not drip back into the tank. > > If you go with the AC HOB, you could try it on either end but it would > probably be best to put it on the end where the powerhead is at so the > waterfall flow from the AC will be more likely to blend in with the > circulation. The water coming right out the powerhead will be less likely > to be disrupted by the water from the waterfall whereas the slower flowing > water at the other end would be more likely to be altered by the water > from > the HOB. You might have to try it on both ends before you make a final > decision. > > Although, having the filters intake on the bottom/end where all the > water is > getting pushed too might be better also since the detritus' first trip > around the tank will be to that end. This is where using the canister > filter so you could plumb the intake down to the bottom to suck up the > majority of the water, detritus, etc. and filter it out of the tank > would be > best but technically, you could also plumb the intake of an HOB so > that the > actual intake is between the two sponge blocks instead of it just being at > the bottom of the uplift tube like the standard HOB. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > I'm guessing you might be talking about this design: > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > I'm going to modify it, and cover the pvc piping (on the bottom of the > tank, and the left side where the outtakes will be) with the foam and > cut out holes where the pvc outtakes are going to be, and I guess I > could just leave the sponges visible on the other end of the tank since > they will need to be cleaned regularly. I will definately post pics when > I get all of this started (which should hopefully be this weekend). > According to the site I have the minimum power required with my > powerhead, and by adding a canister filter would have more than the > minimum. I want to have a canister filter as well to help with water > quality if I want to use carbon for something, etc. Thankfully the > canister filter I had in mind is the lesser powered eheim so I won't > overpower my tank ;) LOL. I'm wondering if I should use the eheim at the > middle part of the tank (outtake) so that it puts a medium flow of > current through the middle part of the tank? If I put it at the bottom > too it'll make it uneven unless I put it right in the middle or something? > Thoughts on this? LOL > Perhaps I should skip a canister filter and put on a HOB? Get a cheap > aquaclear to put on the tank, but I could only put it on one end or on > one side on the back of the tank since it has a middle divider. I wanted > to use a canister filter out of the fact that I have one sitting > downstairs that just needs cleaned and put back together (plus new > tubing). But the aquaclear filters are pretty cheap so I could go that > route if it would be better than adding even more current to the tank > with the canister filter. > I'm tired, hope all of that made sense, LOL. > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to > it ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid > the pipe > > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the > thing > > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > > brings a > > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > > channel > > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > > > this > > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > > > rated > > > > at > > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT > FOR FW > > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches > > and very > > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will > > not be > > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube > from the > > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > > tank like > > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get > > the fast > > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total > circulation > > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > > since I've > > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > > over-filtered > > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many > articles and > > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > > with just > > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > > movement > > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > > powerhead and > > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > > nearly 20X > > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, > > 10X of > > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > > > flake > > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > > around and > > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > > once you > > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > > redirect the > > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > > stream > > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > > between > > > > the rocks. > > > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > > cleaned at > > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > > into your > > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > > > natural > > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > > > plants, > > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > > for how > > > > he > > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > > same type > > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > > make all > > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > > knife set > > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > > Applying just > > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > > where the > > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on > fire. LOL > > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > > pictures > > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > > > even > > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > > > and if > > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > > smaller > > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > > > would > > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in > these > > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > > fast for > > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>>> and > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > 8> > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > 8 > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > 8>> > > > > / > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a > > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > > filter > > > > to > > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > > would it > > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > > > don't > > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > > falling > > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > > > hard to > > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > > quality > > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > > > easier > > > > to siphon clean. > > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder > > how I > > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > > time on > > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > > something > > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant > > to the > > > > tank > > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you > > could mold > > > > and > > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > > doesn't > > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > > tank > > > > like > > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > > too, it > > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > > feet to > > > > work > > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > > either give > > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes > back home > > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > > lasts > > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I > > told my > > > > mom > > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > > > wants > > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > > garbage > > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > > xp3, > > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end > > of the > > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting > out the > > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline > spraying out > > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > > spend > > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught > > in that > > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > > other > > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > > which > > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder > > flow at > > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of > one or > > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on > mine, it > > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in > those > > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also > get some > > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake > > in the > > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom > portion of > > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > > down > > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the > water > > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of > the tank > > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? > Doing a > > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that > sells them > > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF > file... and > > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted > plants > > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water > squirting out > > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > (Links > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto: > > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering > > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, > > as they > > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the > filstar xp's > > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I > think, > > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's > look a > > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead > > that I > > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how > fast it > > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure > it's > > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the > side of > > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > > going > > > > > to use it. > > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other > rocks to > > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > > near the > > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one > > end to > > > > the > > > > other. > > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > > released > > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or > just > > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around > > in your > > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > > plant, > > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow > pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > > near the > > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels > of the > > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > > like > > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off > > to the > > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > > deal > > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often > areas > > > > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep > around a > > > > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a > > > feeding zone > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> < > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum > that will > > > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the > > > tank. > > > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 > > gallon, and > > > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered > though, as I > > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the > middle > > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but > > as far > > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > > with > > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > > > fish, > > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't > on the > > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all > > the way > > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > > stairs > > > > into > > > > the second tank. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > > having > > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > > plumbed > > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > > actually > > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the > bottom and > > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and > > I can > > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > > other > > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back > to the > > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to > like both > > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > > > down > > > > to > > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream > when you > > > > > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water > > flow > > > > > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less > > of a > > > > > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > 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<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon > > currently does > > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, > but I > > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > > sand/gravel > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so > > the eco > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier > > plants like > > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to > worry > > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) > I have > > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at > > the LFS > > > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up > the 125 > > > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > > > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too > > much, but > > > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to > > break up > > > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > > > loaches > > > > anyways ;). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower > area, my > > > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the > tank, I > > > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the > > proper > > > > > > > flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank > and the > > > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a > > bridge to > > > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow > > between the > > > > > > > two tanks. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35712	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/algae.htm#brown http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article85.html http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/algae/diatoms.shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35713	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Diatoms, aka Brown algae is not really algae so it does not photosynthesize like algae does. See my previous reply to Bill for more reading. Just brush it off your decorations and glass prior to vacuuming your gravel and then you'll suck it up with the other detritus... although I have heard of some instances where diatoms will stick to things but the times I've had it, it usually was more like a dust on things and came off very easy. Usually, cloning a tank will bring enough of the previous tanks ecology to the new tank that diatoms will not be as much of an issue, or no issue at all, but I guess with a 5G going up to a 29G (600% increase in size), there was still a lot more silicates from the silicone, glass, etc. that the ecology from the 5G couldn't handle it all. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae On a similar note, and to add to Bill's questions, I'm having a brown "algae" bloom also. Could an expert set me straight on this, please? If I'm remembering from recent posted links, I don't need to worry about it other than that it's not very pretty? Also, is there any benefit to leaving it in until the green algae gets established, such as oxygenation or nitrate removal? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35714	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Unknown fish

A search for - angelicus mongabay - on Google found two profiles of fish that use - angelicus - as part of their species names or a synonym. Check out these two profiles and click on the pictures link to see which one you have. If not these two, then you may need to take a photo. Does it look like a catfish species (I'm presuming it does since you mention whiskers but Koi also have whiskers or barbels as do other fish so I wanted to check) or does it look like what is often referred to as a shark type species.. not really sharks but look like them? Many catfish and shark-looking species can be very aggressive to conspecifics (same species) or to fish that even look like them. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Synodontis_angelicus.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pimelodus_pictus.html Neither of these descriptions match what you typed but often, baby and juvenile catfish will change their spots/stripes dramatically as they reach adulthood... but both of the above species are spotted not striped so I'm thinking these are not yours. It might be time to take a pic. If one of us can't ID it, then you could check the "Help me ID my catfish" forums on PlanetCatfish.com and/or PlecoFanatics.com http://fish.mongabay.com is a GREAT place to find good and reliable profiles/care sheets on most FW fish. Their profiles also have a section called SC - suggested companions - which can guide you to compatible tank mates so you don't end up with incompatible fish... although our pets do not always read the same things we do. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblybits Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unknown fish Hi, Thanks for letting me join your group guys! I was wondering if any of you more experienced fish-keepers could help me work out what one of my fish is. My partner bought it as an angelicus but I'm not sure it is. It has vertical zebra-like stripes but in dark and light brown, whiskers and a double-pointed tail. Its also paler underneath than on top. It seems to be fairly aggressive, especially with our little plecos, and is always hiding. I'll try to take a photo of it, but does anyone have any suggestions in the meantime? Thanks! Becki

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35715	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35716	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. Amber bill1433 wrote: > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > > > > > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >> stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom >> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >> tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over >> night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >> this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35718	From: Andrew	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Great Barracuda

I want t o own a barracuda, and I came across a great barracuda for sale. I know they need a 300gallon tank when their 5in long. My question becomes, when the great barracuda grows to full lentgh is it required for the barracuda to be in a 5000 gallon tank?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Pleco

Common plecos (the mostly bigs ones that you seem to have) LOVE driftwood and actually gnaw on it as part of their diet. Here's a long article and forum thread on feeding plecos so you may have something laying around in your fridge that will get him eating again. http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11018 What kind of "aquatic" turtles are you keeping? I thought most of the FW turtles needed to be out of the water often also. I know there are truly aquatic frogs that do not need land like ADF's and ACF's (and others).. or is the term aquatic just the common term for turtles like RES, soft-shell, etc? I did a Google on - aquatic turtles - and a link to an article about RES came up so maybe that is a common term for them but they also use the term semi-aquatic. I'm also worried that a hungry turtle might naturally realize they like sushi also.. and while plecos are armored to a degree, I'm not sure how well they'll fare with a hungry turtle stalking them... as this would be a stressor that would lower a fishes immune system. I don't think you should be leaving the pleco's in the pond for as long either.. or rather for when it gets as cool. Down into the 50's is REALLY way too cold for these fish that are mostly tropical temperature fish... although many do well in the low 70's water temperature as well but down into the 60's and 50's is way below their norm. Two of the most common, common plecos are... Hypostomus punctatus http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=87 and Pterygoplichthys pardalis (aka Liposarcus pardalis) http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=88 You'll see the Habitat Information on these two profiles show a temperature range of around 70F to 80F as their preferred range (although each species is slightly different on the high and low temp). This search results page shows only two species that can tolerate a temperature range of 50F to 80F and can actually tolerated down into the 40's. If the link breaks, go to this page http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/search.php and put in the min and max temps of 50 and 80F and you'll reproduce my search. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/search_result.php?family_id=%2Fcatelog% 2Fsearch.php%3Ftask%3D%26family_id%3D0&genus_id=%2Fcatelog%2Fsearch.php%3Fta sk%3D%26genus_id%3D0&distr_id=%2Fcatelog%2Fsearch.php%3Ftask%3D%26distr_id%3 D0&size_min=&size_max=&sizeunit=mm&temp_min=50&temp_max=80&tempunit=deg_f&mi n_ph=Unset&max_ph=Unset&order=id&results=50 When you moved the fish, did you acclimate them back up to room temp or heated tank temps? It's not good to move them from drastically changing water temps as this can produce shock and stress issues which would further reduce their immune systems ability to fight disease. Was the fish sick in the pond or did this only happen after moving them indoors? As far as treatment, my understanding is that Tetracycline is mostly for gram positive bacteria and the most common infections in fish are gram negative... although reading about Maracyn TC, it says it treats gram negative also. Where did you get info that prescribed Tetracycline? You might want to try a different antibiotic or a broad spectrum antibiotic since you seem to have multiple issues going on. Maracyn 2 or API's EM Do you have the sick pleco in a quarantine tank or in with the others? The swollen belly could be from constipation or bloating caused by them eating when their body temps got too low. For goldfish and Koi, we stop feeding them altogether for the entire winter season, when the water temps get down to the low 50's as even these cool/cold water fish do not digest food at low body temps and the food would just sit inside them and start to rot. I'm not sure how Pleco's do when their body temps drop to such low temps as I've never kept them in a pond before. Presuming they are now in warmer waters, try feeding them something with roughage in it, green pea "meat" (squeeze the peas and discard the peel), zucchini slice, sweet potato slice, etc... see list in the article above and see how his poop is coming out. Visual poop diagnosis is something that can give us information about a sick fish as well. White stringy poop would let us know more information about the likelihood of internal parasitic issues. No poop.. constipation or diarrhea, etc., etc. There are some good medicated foods out there but since you say the fish isn't eating, I'm not sure any of them would be helpful. Are you able to handle this fish so you could do topical treatment of the ulcer? A UGF or any other kind of filter will NOT filter out meds unless carbon or other chemical filtration media is added to the system. As far as a fish vet in Dallas, TX... read the top section of my Disease page on my blog which has a few ways to find a fish vet with http://www.aquavetmed.info/ being my first choice... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml Hopefully one of the members more experience in treating sick fish will reply soon. I tend to work hard and try to help folks keep them from getting sick in the first place. I think I covered all of your questions.. and then some. Feel free to ask more. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of morton57 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Sick Pleco Hi, I'm a new member. I mostly keep aquatic turtles but I have 4 plecostamus fish as well. They are kept outside during the warmer months but I bring the plecos indoors when the water temperatures drop below 50F. 2 of them are about 15" long and two are about 10" long. They have been indoors about 6 weeks now. I noticed a red round ulceration on the underside of one of the plecos about the size of a quarter and the pleco's belly was swollen as well. I isolated it and treated with tetracycline for about 5 days and stopped per the instructions on the medication. The ulceration seemed darker in color as if healing and the swelling seemed to have gone down . I added salt to the tank to aid the recovery. Its now about 5 days after the medication stopped and he has become bloated again. Additionally, the fish has not been eating since I noticed and began treating the ulcer. So it has been many days since I have seen him take food. I have begun a second course of tetracycline. Here are my questions: 1) has anyone treated a sore of the above description? 2) without actually culturing the infected area which is impractical and probably too late at this point, does treating with tetracycline a second time seem like a good idea? ( If the swelling does go down again i plan to continue the tetracycline for a longer period. Ten days probably. ) 3) When they live out doors they are eating alage and the stuff the turtles do not eat. Indoors I have fed them algae wafers and turtle food (because I have seen them eat that outdoors). Is there an irresistible food for them that I can use to try and get this sick fish to start eating? 4) Will an under gravel filter using small river rock filter out the medication the way carbon does? 5) Does anyone know of a fish vet in Dallas, TX? Thanks. Ed

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35720	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I never thought of it like that...............good point! � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:59 PM Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. Amber bill1433 wrote: > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > > > > > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35721	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

I was able to successfully "slide" my 65G stand away from the wall by using a board between the very bottom of the stand and the baseboard and pry it away slowly. Of course, this stand is on ceramic tile floor so it actually slid much easier than I though considering it weighs around 500+ pounds. I do not have "normal" legs on it either so the base of the stand sits directly on the floor which is how most wooden tank stands are except for the wrought iron ones or some DIY stands made with 2x4's. I made mine also but I created the base out of 2x4's first and then mounted the uprights (legs) on top of the base as a way of spreading the weight over more square inches instead of just the bottoms of the legs. If the base of your stand is only made of particle board strips creating a 3" or 4" high rectangular base for the bottom shelf to sit on top of, then you might not want to try sliding it as that base could collapse. If it's a solid piece of particle board sitting on the floor itself, then it might slide easier.. even on carpet if the carpet isn't too thick or the padding isn't too thick. Is yours on carpet or tile or ??? Your other option is the next time you do a PWC, do a big one.. 50% and that would make it much lighter and possibly you could pry it away from the wall a little then. ONLY use this pry method on the very bottom of the stand if it's a flat bottom, so it will slide, as any other attempt could be disastrous... and next time, check to see that it's where you want it, even, parallel and level first... before filling up the tank. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). The only problem with putting a HOB on one end of the tank is that I use the versa top's which are half plastic half glass and they bend in the middle, and it it designed to fit inside the lip of the rim of the tank. And I can't cut glass, wonder if I could put a lip on the edge of the AC HOB filter to hold the lid up, but that will take some fabrication ;) Perhaps it would just be better to go with a canister filter and put the outtake on the same end as the powerhead, and put the intake on the sponge end, there would be less work to do, and I think less money to be spent, since I already have a canister filter that just needs some more tubing so that I could change the intake/outtakes so they aren't right next to each other. I also realized while reading up on all of this that my 125 gallon has an odd current to it. all the filters are on one end of the tank, and since the tank is 6 feet long that's a lot of way for the water to flow before it comes back to the intakes. So I'm thinking I need to figure out something different for that tank as well. I can't put the HOB on the right end as the back of the tank is crooked (no idea how that happened but now that it's full of water I can't move the tank, LOL). So the right end of the tank is closer to the wall behind than the left side, so the HOB aquaclear 110 has to go on the left side of the tank. I could put the magnum 350 on the other end like it was, so it pushes the water down to the left side of the tank to the HOB, and my fluidized bed filter which is also on the left end of the tank. Would it be best to have an intake on each end or should I keep the filters all on one end and put in a powerhead to push the water back to the left side of the tank? I don't have any extra tubing for the magnum 350 so the intake/outtakes are the same length and right next to each other, I would have to order extra tubing for it before I could separate the intake and outtakes to opposite ends of the tank. I currently have 2 filters and a bio filter on the tank, not sure how much water the bio filter (fluidized bed filter) pushes, but it trickles out like a HOB does, so it's not much water pressure. I have the magnum 350 and the aquaclear 110 for the water cleaning part. Amber I'm sure the current in my 125 gallon tank is a bit odd right now though, I'm almost afraid to do a test to see how it circulates, LOL. I'm guessing that no current is on one end of the tank though since it's having to push 6 feet and there's nothing to push it back. Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Since you mentioned that you were planning on keeping water quality in > excellent condition, you should probably go with a filter system that is > easy to do maintenance on, so it will be easier to do more frequently. The > sponge blocks will certainly be easy to lift off the intakes of the > powerhead circulation system.. and don't squeeze the sponges while in the > tank. I usually leave them in the water and then use a large bowl, 32 oz. > plastic cup, etc. to slide/dip under the sponge before lifting it out the > water so any detritus in the sponges does not drip back into the tank. > > If you go with the AC HOB, you could try it on either end but it would > probably be best to put it on the end where the powerhead is at so the > waterfall flow from the AC will be more likely to blend in with the > circulation. The water coming right out the powerhead will be less likely > to be disrupted by the water from the waterfall whereas the slower flowing > water at the other end would be more likely to be altered by the water > from > the HOB. You might have to try it on both ends before you make a final > decision. > > Although, having the filters intake on the bottom/end where all the > water is > getting pushed too might be better also since the detritus' first trip > around the tank will be to that end. This is where using the canister > filter so you could plumb the intake down to the bottom to suck up the > majority of the water, detritus, etc. and filter it out of the tank > would be > best but technically, you could also plumb the intake of an HOB so > that the > actual intake is between the two sponge blocks instead of it just being at > the bottom of the uplift tube like the standard HOB. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > I'm guessing you might be talking about this design: > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > I'm going to modify it, and cover the pvc piping (on the bottom of the > tank, and the left side where the outtakes will be) with the foam and > cut out holes where the pvc outtakes are going to be, and I guess I > could just leave the sponges visible on the other end of the tank since > they will need to be cleaned regularly. I will definately post pics when > I get all of this started (which should hopefully be this weekend). > According to the site I have the minimum power required with my > powerhead, and by adding a canister filter would have more than the > minimum. I want to have a canister filter as well to help with water > quality if I want to use carbon for something, etc. Thankfully the > canister filter I had in mind is the lesser powered eheim so I won't > overpower my tank ;) LOL. I'm wondering if I should use the eheim at the > middle part of the tank (outtake) so that it puts a medium flow of > current through the middle part of the tank? If I put it at the bottom > too it'll make it uneven unless I put it right in the middle or something? > Thoughts on this? LOL > Perhaps I should skip a canister filter and put on a HOB? Get a cheap > aquaclear to put on the tank, but I could only put it on one end or on > one side on the back of the tank since it has a middle divider. I wanted > to use a canister filter out of the fact that I have one sitting > downstairs that just needs cleaned and put back together (plus new > tubing). But the aquaclear filters are pretty cheap so I could go that > route if it would be better than adding even more current to the tank > with the canister filter. > I'm tired, hope all of that made sense, LOL. > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to > it ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid > the pipe > > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the > thing > > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > > brings a > > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > > channel > > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > > > this > > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > > > rated > > > > at > > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT > FOR FW > > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches > > and very > > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will > > not be > > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube > from the > > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > > tank like > > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get > > the fast > > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total > circulation > > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > > since I've > > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > > over-filtered > > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many > articles and > > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > > with just > > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > > movement > > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > > powerhead and > > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > > nearly 20X > > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, > > 10X of > > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > > > flake > > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > > around and > > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > > once you > > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > > redirect the > > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > > stream > > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > > between > > > > the rocks. > > > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > > cleaned at > > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > > into your > > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > > > natural > > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > > > plants, > > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > > for how > > > > he > > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > > same type > > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > > make all > > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > > knife set > > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > > Applying just > > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > > where the > > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on > fire. LOL > > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > > pictures > > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > > > even > > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > > > and if > > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > > smaller > > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > > > would > > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in > these > > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > > fast for > > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>>> and > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 8> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > > 8> > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > > 8 > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > > 8>> > > > > / > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering a > > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > > filter > > > > to > > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > > would it > > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > > > don't > > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > > falling > > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > > > hard to > > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > > quality > > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > > > easier > > > > to siphon clean. > > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder > > how I > > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > > time on > > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > > something > > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant > > to the > > > > tank > > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you > > could mold > > > > and > > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > > doesn't > > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > > tank > > > > like > > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > > too, it > > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > > feet to > > > > work > > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > > either give > > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes > back home > > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > > lasts > > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I > > told my > > > > mom > > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > > > wants > > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > > garbage > > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > > xp3, > > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end > > of the > > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting > out the > > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline > spraying out > > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > > spend > > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught > > in that > > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > > other > > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > > which > > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder > > flow at > > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of > one or > > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on > mine, it > > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in > those > > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also > get some > > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake > > in the > > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom > portion of > > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > > down > > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the > water > > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of > the tank > > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? > Doing a > > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that > sells them > > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF > file... and > > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted > plants > > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water > squirting out > > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > (Links > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto: > > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > considering > > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, > > as they > > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the > filstar xp's > > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I > think, > > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's > look a > > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead > > that I > > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how > fast it > > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure > it's > > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the > side of > > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > > going > > > > > to use it. > > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other > rocks to > > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > > near the > > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one > > end to > > > > the > > > > other. > > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > > released > > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or > just > > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around > > in your > > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > > plant, > > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow > pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > > near the > > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels > of the > > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > > like > > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off > > to the > > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > > deal > > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often > areas > > > > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep > around a > > > > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a > > > feeding zone > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> < > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum > that will > > > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the > > > tank. > > > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 > > gallon, and > > > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered > though, as I > > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the > middle > > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but > > as far > > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > > with > > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > > > fish, > > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't > on the > > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all > > the way > > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > > stairs > > > > into > > > > the second tank. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > > having > > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > > plumbed > > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > > actually > > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the > bottom and > > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and > > I can > > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > > other > > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back > to the > > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to > like both > > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > > > down > > > > to > > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! 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> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> < > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon > > currently does > > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, > but I > > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > > sand/gravel > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so > > the eco > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier > > plants like > > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to > worry > > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) > I have > > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at > > the LFS > > > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up > the 125 > > > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > > > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too > > much, but > > > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to > > break up > > > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > > > loaches > > > > anyways ;). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower > area, my > > > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the > tank, I > > > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the > > proper > > > > > > > flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank > and the > > > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a > > bridge to > > > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow > > between the > > > > > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get > this > > > > > > > all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a > nice > > > > > > > planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other > > tank, > > > > > > > hmm, thoughts for the > > > > > > future I guess, LOL. > > > > > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 > > > > > > > gallon and the > > > > > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big > > one is > > > > > > > downstairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35722	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Was that the one called Insomnia? With Al Pacino, Hilary Swank, Robin Williams, Martin Donovan, Nicky Katt made in 2002.  Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf -------Original Message------- From: Amber Berglund Date: 1/14/2009 4:02:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >> stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom >> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >> tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over >> night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >> this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35723	From: Christina	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

Thank you for the information and links. I'll definitely be giving them a try. I've been having the hardest time because I don't know the common name or the scientific names. So trying to google different combinations of fish, tropical fish, yellow tropical fish and black & white tropical fish weren't giving me much luck. I'm off to give those links a try. Blessings, Christina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > One thing you might want to do is also list the latin name along side of > common name as common names are often used on many different fish. For > example, your image for what you label a "Zebra Fish" is a black/white > variant of the Clown Fish (like in Finding Nemo)(Amphiprion ocellaris). > Zebra Fish is also a name given to the Zebra Danio which is a very common > freshwater species, as well as to several other species. > > You might want to use http://www.fishbase.org to verify the fish information > you might find on other sites, after checking other sites, as FishBase is > probably the most extensive and accurate database of saltwater (and > freshwater) fish but doing a search for just - zebra fish - in FishBase, > came up with three different species all together... not including yours or > the Zebra Danio. Now, using the single word - zebrafish - it found two more > species, including the Zebra Danio... but still nothing on your fish. Now > you see why it's good to use the latin name when trying to properly ID a > fish... and you'll impress your friends with your use of all them BIG words. > LOL If you just want to use common names, then the one you have labeled as > "Zebra Fish" should be changed to "Clown Fish - black/white variant". > > Here's what FishBase says about your Clown Fish (black/white variant)... and > if you click on the single image on the page, it will open a page of images > but all of the images were of the natural orange/white species... > http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php? ID=6509&genusname=Amphiprion& > speciesname=ocellaris > > Here's DrsFosterSmith.com's PetEducation.com website profile on the > black/white variant. > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2145+2185&aid=2512 > > Each name that you've remembered on the fish should go through this type of > vetting to make sure you've properly ID'ed them... if that is what you are > hoping to accomplish. If you simply use a common name and a visitor to your > site tries to find more info, they'll likely be led on a wild goose chase if > they are not good internet researchers. > > I'll look at a few others as I get more time today. I'm just starting to go > through my email for the day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christina > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! > > Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and > fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La > Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take > pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's > help. > > If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket > album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on > any of the photos that are miss-named. > > I appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Blessings, > Christina > > http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35724	From: Christina	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

Wow, very cool that Mr. Leafy made it to the group page. I'll have to go check out that article. The aquarium didn't have a lot of information on this species. Perfect song for it too, I love that song! Ya know, Henry David Thoreau once said about age that "None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm" and since well all still have enthusiam I think we're safe. Plus, I'll be 35 in March so I'm not completely lost to the great music of the decade I was born in. :D Have a great week, Christina In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Your "Really Funky Seahorse" is the same fish that we have featured on our > home page right now... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquaticlife.. the Leafy > Sea Dragon. > > If you do a message search in our group's messages for - leafy sea dragon - > you'll find where we discussed the fish recently and some profiles and > articles about them. Here's one.. > http://www.divegallery.com/Leafy_Sea_Dragon.htm with a lot more pictures and > some videos too. The common name should be "Leafy Sea Dragon"... but I do > like your name better ;-) You just need some Earth, Wind And Fire or Wild > Cherry music playing in the background (uh oh.. I might have shown my age > with those bands.. lol) and might I suggest, "Play That Funky Music (White > Boy)" as an appropriate song. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christina > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! > > Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and > fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La > Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take > pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's > help. > > If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket > album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on > any of the photos that are miss-named. > > I appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Blessings, > Christina > > http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35725	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len,   "it would still be a stressor to the fish"?????   Why?   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

But at least we can black out the windows and turn off the lights.. or even close our eyelids to block out much of the light... when the Sun insists on staying on for an extended period of time. I think those frozen temps and extended daylight or nighttime was God's way of saying... "People, don't live here!".. but like usual, we didn't listen. ;-) Bill, Have you noticed if the fish are looking for a darker place to sleep? Do you have any caves or other dark areas? I'm curious if they seek out the darker places. I know many catfish/pleco's and other more nocturnal fish will hang out in caves more during the day (lights on) and then are more active at night (lights off). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) It's a > proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained period > on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common >> in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the >> ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the >> ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using >> up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four >> week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish >> and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would >> still be a stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> diatom filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter >> and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An >> old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's >> lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae >> and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >> off over night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order >> to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight >> water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three >> days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not >> a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal >> color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to >> suggestions on this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35727	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Great Barracuda

Or maybe an Ocean? But if you tried to keep it in a 300G or even a 5,000G, it would probably be severely stunted so it would never reach full size or live a full healthy life. What is your budget like? The best thing to do for our pet fish is to provide them the proper sized tank from the start so they can grow into it. By trying to keep stepping up the tank size, there will certainly be stunting that will happen. SW Barracuda grow to 6' long so you would need at least a 48' long tank just to give it some swimming room as they are very fast swimmers. My calculations for a 48'x 24' x 10' deep tank (much deeper would be better but 10' would probably be OK) would be 86,176 gallons. Do you have an Olympic sized swimming pool you can convert? ;-) Or were you talking about a Freshwater Barracuda?... which only grows to around 10" is a far more suitable species for a hobbyist to keep. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Acestrorhynchus_falcatus.html Pictures - http://fish.mongabay.com/acestrorhynchus.htm Then, your 300G tank would be nice for a school of them.. or a 5' to 6' long tank for a single specimen. Who is selling this Giant Barracuda species in the hobbyist industry? I'd rather stick them in your 300G tank (with a tight fitting lid of course. ;-))... especially if they are suggesting that a 300G or 5,000G tank is a suitable home for this GIANT fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Barracuda I want t o own a barracuda, and I came across a great barracuda for sale. I know they need a 300gallon tank when their 5in long. My question becomes, when the great barracuda grows to full lentgh is it required for the barracuda to be in a 5000 gallon tank?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35728	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

Well, I did your homework for a couple of them... the ones I recognized... but I haven't seen anyone else out here reply. Hopefully, this reply by you will prompt others to look at your album http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and give their thoughts.... and I have conveniently moved the URL up here in my reply so they can't blame it on their scroll wheel on their mouse. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need help identifying fish?! Thank you for the information and links. I'll definitely be giving them a try. I've been having the hardest time because I don't know the common name or the scientific names. So trying to google different combinations of fish, tropical fish, yellow tropical fish and black & white tropical fish weren't giving me much luck. I'm off to give those links a try. Blessings, Christina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > One thing you might want to do is also list the latin name along side of > common name as common names are often used on many different fish. For > example, your image for what you label a "Zebra Fish" is a black/white > variant of the Clown Fish (like in Finding Nemo)(Amphiprion ocellaris). > Zebra Fish is also a name given to the Zebra Danio which is a very common > freshwater species, as well as to several other species. > > You might want to use http://www.fishbase.org to verify the fish information > you might find on other sites, after checking other sites, as FishBase is > probably the most extensive and accurate database of saltwater (and > freshwater) fish but doing a search for just - zebra fish - in FishBase, > came up with three different species all together... not including yours or > the Zebra Danio. Now, using the single word - zebrafish - it found two more > species, including the Zebra Danio... but still nothing on your fish. Now > you see why it's good to use the latin name when trying to properly ID a > fish... and you'll impress your friends with your use of all them BIG words. > LOL If you just want to use common names, then the one you have labeled as > "Zebra Fish" should be changed to "Clown Fish - black/white variant". > > Here's what FishBase says about your Clown Fish (black/white variant)... and > if you click on the single image on the page, it will open a page of images > but all of the images were of the natural orange/white species... > http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php? ID=6509&genusname=Amphiprion& > speciesname=ocellaris > > Here's DrsFosterSmith.com's PetEducation.com website profile on the > black/white variant. > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2145+2185&aid=2512 > > Each name that you've remembered on the fish should go through this type of > vetting to make sure you've properly ID'ed them... if that is what you are > hoping to accomplish. If you simply use a common name and a visitor to your > site tries to find more info, they'll likely be led on a wild goose chase if > they are not good internet researchers. > > I'll look at a few others as I get more time today. I'm just starting to go > through my email for the day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christina > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! > > Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and > fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La > Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take > pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's > help. > > If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket > album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on > any of the photos that are miss-named. > > I appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Blessings, > Christina > > http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35729	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Need help identifying fish?!

I was just peeking to see how you updated the names and the Yellow Fish jumped out at me. I don't know why I didn't notice it before but that's a Yellow Tang. Check the other research sites I've given you for more accurate details. Here's the Wikipedia article on it for simplicity but Wiki sometimes has bad info due to the way they allow people to edit the pages... usually without peer review. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Tang Here is the Fishbase profile on the Yellow Tang. http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Speciessummary.php?id=6018 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need help identifying fish?! Thank you for the information and links. I'll definitely be giving them a try. I've been having the hardest time because I don't know the common name or the scientific names. So trying to google different combinations of fish, tropical fish, yellow tropical fish and black & white tropical fish weren't giving me much luck. I'm off to give those links a try. Blessings, Christina --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > One thing you might want to do is also list the latin name along side of > common name as common names are often used on many different fish. For > example, your image for what you label a "Zebra Fish" is a black/white > variant of the Clown Fish (like in Finding Nemo)(Amphiprion ocellaris). > Zebra Fish is also a name given to the Zebra Danio which is a very common > freshwater species, as well as to several other species. > > You might want to use http://www.fishbase.org to verify the fish information > you might find on other sites, after checking other sites, as FishBase is > probably the most extensive and accurate database of saltwater (and > freshwater) fish but doing a search for just - zebra fish - in FishBase, > came up with three different species all together... not including yours or > the Zebra Danio. Now, using the single word - zebrafish - it found two more > species, including the Zebra Danio... but still nothing on your fish. Now > you see why it's good to use the latin name when trying to properly ID a > fish... and you'll impress your friends with your use of all them BIG words. > LOL If you just want to use common names, then the one you have labeled as > "Zebra Fish" should be changed to "Clown Fish - black/white variant". > > Here's what FishBase says about your Clown Fish (black/white variant)... and > if you click on the single image on the page, it will open a page of images > but all of the images were of the natural orange/white species... > http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php? ID=6509&genusname=Amphiprion& > speciesname=ocellaris > > Here's DrsFosterSmith.com's PetEducation.com website profile on the > black/white variant. > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2145+2185&aid=2512 > > Each name that you've remembered on the fish should go through this type of > vetting to make sure you've properly ID'ed them... if that is what you are > hoping to accomplish. If you simply use a common name and a visitor to your > site tries to find more info, they'll likely be led on a wild goose chase if > they are not good internet researchers. > > I'll look at a few others as I get more time today. I'm just starting to go > through my email for the day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christina > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help identifying fish?! > > Hi everyone, my name's Christina, I'm a new member. I love the ocean and > fish. I recently took a trip to San Diego and visited Birch Aquarium in La > Jolla. I took a lot of photos of the beautiful fish, but I forgot to take > pics of the name plaque's of the fish so I'm asking around for anyone's > help. > > If you have a few minutes and think you can help please visit my photobucket > album for Birch Aquarium http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium and comment on > any of the photos that are miss-named. > > I appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Blessings, > Christina > > http://photobucket.com/birchaquarium > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35730	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?� What about the lighting tube itself?� Too weak?� Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??� Just wondering about it?� Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters---------------food for thought.� The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. � Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35731	From: bill1433	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

No, not sleeping but they do like the TV left on!   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:11 PM But at least we can black out the windows and turn off the lights.. or even close our eyelids to block out much of the light... when the Sun insists on staying on for an extended period of time. I think those frozen temps and extended daylight or nighttime was God's way of saying... "People, don't live here!".. but like usual, we didn't listen. ;-) Bill, Have you noticed if the fish are looking for a darker place to sleep? Do you have any caves or other dark areas? I'm curious if they seek out the darker places. I know many catfish/pleco' s and other more nocturnal fish will hang out in caves more during the day (lights on) and then are more active at night (lights off). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) It's a > proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained period > on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common >> in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the >> ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the >> ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using >> up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four >> week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish >> and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would >> still be a stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> com] On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> diatom filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter >> and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An >> old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's >> lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae >> and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >> off over night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order >> to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight >> water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three >> days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not >> a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal >> color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to >> suggestions on this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35732	From: crazycatlady	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: ich

i just got a goldfish from someone.  i placed it in a already cycled withonly snails in it 29 gal tank.  he got fluffy white stuff all over him (including his eyes) and died.  i tried the ich measures i have read here (increased temp, salt in water, and even used the blue ich medicine) but he still died.  question is, the water is now cloudy and foul smelling.  of course i will do a major water change, but can i put another goldfish in there without them getting ich? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35733	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

I'm sure someone with more than a couple months experience will chime in shortly, but that sounds more like fungus or a bacterial infection than Ich. Ich looks like little white dots, not fluffy like cotton. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "crazycatlady" <crazycatlady2323@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] ich i just got a goldfish from someone. i placed it in a already cycled withonly snails in it 29 gal tank. he got fluffy white stuff all over him (including his eyes) and died. i tried the ich measures i have read here (increased temp, salt in water, and even used the blue ich medicine) but he still died. question is, the water is now cloudy and foul smelling. of course i will do a major water change, but can i put another goldfish in there without them getting ich? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35734	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith.com http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?  What about the lighting tube itself?  Too weak?  Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??  Just wondering about it?  Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters---------------food for thought.  The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick.   Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len,   "it would still be a stressor to the fish"?????   Why?   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

What channel do yours like? ;-) Mine prefer Fox News Channel (I think the fish like watching all the stupid human tricks... ooops.. I meant Congress... LOL) or a tape or DVR that I might have recorded that day... which is what I usually fall asleep watching to catch up on the days events or program that I recorded. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not sleeping but they do like the TV left on!   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:11 PM But at least we can black out the windows and turn off the lights.. or even close our eyelids to block out much of the light... when the Sun insists on staying on for an extended period of time. I think those frozen temps and extended daylight or nighttime was God's way of saying... "People, don't live here!".. but like usual, we didn't listen. ;-) Bill, Have you noticed if the fish are looking for a darker place to sleep? Do you have any caves or other dark areas? I'm curious if they seek out the darker places. I know many catfish/pleco' s and other more nocturnal fish will hang out in caves more during the day (lights on) and then are more active at night (lights off). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) It's a > proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained period > on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common >> in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the >> ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the >> ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using >> up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four >> week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish >> and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would >> still be a stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> com] On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> diatom filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter >> and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old >> habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's >> lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae >> and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >> off over night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order >> to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight >> water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three >> days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal >> color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to >> suggestions on this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35736	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I don’t know if it’s true, but FWIW someone on another forum claimed his fish actually died from 24/7 lighting. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith.com http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3814> rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? Why? Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35737	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

Did he come with the "fluffy white stuff" or did he develop it after going into your tank? As someone else said, fluffy white stuff isn't Ich. Ich is a small parasite that looks like salt sprinkled on a fish. Was the fluffy white stuff like cottony patches or was it possibly the slime coat sloughing off the fish? Read this section about slime coat to see if this is what you had... http://thegab.org/Articles/DiagnosisChart.html#SlimeCoat Also read this section about "Fuzz" on goldfish... http://thegab.org/Articles/DiagnosisChart.html#Fuzz You should also do a series of PWC's (25% partial water changes) and run fresh carbon in your filter to remove all of the medicine. Vacuum your gravel well to remove any excess detritus also. Did you snails survive? Did you have live plants? Do proper filter maintenance (read my article on my blog for proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning") to remove any buildup of detritus in the filter media. Any of these things can foul your water. Do you have a water test kit for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH (and other good ones are for GH and KH)? I wouldn't put anything else in the tank and if the snails are not pet snails like Mystery Snails, Apple Snails, etc., you might want to forego them and do a complete breakdown of the tank to disinfect it. If they are pet snails, then doing the series of PWC's and doing other tank maintenance to keep the tank in good shape for a few weeks, will likely give whatever harmed your fish a chance to die off also.. although they can come right back with poor water quality issues. One last thing... just because your tank was cycled already for the snails, that does not mean it's cycled for adding whatever else you want to add. The nitrifying bacteria that take care of the nitrogen "cycle", only grow a large enough colony to handle the bioload of the tank. As soon as you add another fish or other ammonia creating life form, there will be a mini-cycle of ammonia and nitrites until the nitrifying bacteria grow a larger colony. If the goldfish was a decent sized goldfish (anything more than a 1" baby), that's a LOT of ammonia that they put out which would have caused cycling issues which is why you also need a decent master test kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette kits are available from Walmart.com for under $20.00 with free shipping to your local store... or you can see what your LFS or other pet stores may have available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of crazycatlady Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] ich i just got a goldfish from someone.  i placed it in a already cycled withonly snails in it 29 gal tank.  he got fluffy white stuff all over him (including his eyes) and died.  i tried the ich measures i have read here (increased temp, salt in water, and even used the blue ich medicine) but he still died.  question is, the water is now cloudy and foul smelling.  of course i will do a major water change, but can i put another goldfish in there without them getting ich? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35738	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Insomnia ,2002. "Days never end. Nightmares are real. No one is innocent." \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > >> Hi Len, > >> > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > >> > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > >> > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > >> > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > >> > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > >> stressor to the fish. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > >> To: AquaticLife > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> > >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > >> filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > >> > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for about 4 > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > >> tank settle down faster. > >> > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > >> night. > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > >> > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not a > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > >> this point as well. > >> > >> Your thoughts folks? > >> Bill > >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35739	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is nowhere in town we can get one from!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

Remember that even "overnight", in your same State or City, means the fish is likely going to travel up to a thousand miles... hundreds of miles to a central hub, then moved to another plane and fly back to your area to then be loaded on a truck to a sorting center in your area and then onto another truck to be delivered. I guess what I'm saying is if you are going to have it shipped overnight via FedEx, UPS or one of the others, it shouldn't matter much if it's coming coast to coast or within your own State or City as long as it's done overnight. Even coast-to-coast might only result in one extra plane transfer, compared to an overnight package from within your State or City. Especially this time of year... or during the hottest times of the Summer for us southerners, overnight is likely the best option.. although I have received a few orders sent through 2-day mail with the Post Office that arrived alive. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] A reputable fish seller near Oregon? I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is nowhere in town we can get one from!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35741	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

How about this movie, where an Alaskan town is in darkness all day, called "30 Days of Night" where some vampires move in for a while. Speaking of vampires, back in 1994, they discovered a new fish which was dubbed the vampire fish. Here is a brief article from the New Scientist: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the ir-teeth.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h The article mentions the candiru, which also has a common name of vampire fish, highlighting one of the evils of using common names. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > >> Hi Len, > >> > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > >> > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > >> > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > >> > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > >> > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > >> stressor to the fish. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > >> To: AquaticLife > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> > >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > >> filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > >> > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for about 4 > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > >> tank settle down faster. > >> > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > >> night. > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > >> > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is not a > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > >> this point as well. > >> > >> Your thoughts folks? > >> Bill > >> > >> > >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35742	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Okay your 29 gallon is how tall? LOL. I'm thinking that 17 watts isn't enough if you have plants. If you don't have any live plants then it's not really going to matter what color bulb or how many watts, just what you want will suffice basically. I would get a 2nd bulb if possible or a 2 bulb fixture if you don't want 2 light fixtures on top of the tank ;). I've gotten to the point where I really like the CFL bulbs that came with my 125 gallon tank, but the plant spectrum that is suggested for plants (I think it's 5000-7000K if I'm correct) is a more yellowish color and I prefer the whiter/blue lighting of 10000k daylight bulbs, but it's not as good for plants. Basically it comes down to whether you want plants or not ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > > > > > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen > this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like > a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when > he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little > stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we > were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35743	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Yes, that's what it was called, thanks Margie :) Amber Margie Phelps wrote: > > Was that the one called Insomnia? With Al Pacino, Hilary Swank, Robin > Williams, Martin Donovan, Nicky Katt made in 2002. > >  > Margie > http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ <http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/> > http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf > <http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf> > -------Original Message------- > > From: Amber Berglund > Date: 1/14/2009 4:02:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but Robin > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I would > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > >> Hi Len, > >> > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in > many > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of > the > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is > utilizing > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > >> > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > >> > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > >> > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > >> > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four > week > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and > the > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > >> stressor to the fish. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > >> To: AquaticLife > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > >> > >> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my > diatom > >> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > >> > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the > contents > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I > guess, > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for > about 4 > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps > the > >> tank settle down faster. > >> > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off > over > >> night. > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In > order to > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight > water > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. > All > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > >> > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color > for > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to > suggestions on > >> this point as well. > >> > >> Your thoughts folks? > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You > > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35744	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

The stand is wrought iron, and the legs are sitting on 2x4's, which are then on carpet. So with my luck it's not going to slide one bit, LOL. I would have to move the front and the back 2x4's at the same time as well or the stand could very well just slide off of the front 2x4 while I'm pushing the back one away from the wall, and that would be very bad. I'm thinking I'll probably just leave it as is, or drain the tank to move it if I feel it's just too crooked. You can't tell from the front but the reason it sits out further on the left side is because the base board heating ends half way across the wall behind the tank, so the right side of the tank ended up scooted closer to the wall because there's no baseboard in the way. Gosh, you mean I need to start planning ahead Lenny? LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I was able to successfully "slide" my 65G stand away from the wall by > using > a board between the very bottom of the stand and the baseboard and pry it > away slowly. Of course, this stand is on ceramic tile floor so it actually > slid much easier than I though considering it weighs around 500+ pounds. I > do not have "normal" legs on it either so the base of the stand sits > directly on the floor which is how most wooden tank stands are except for > the wrought iron ones or some DIY stands made with 2x4's. I made mine also > but I created the base out of 2x4's first and then mounted the uprights > (legs) on top of the base as a way of spreading the weight over more > square > inches instead of just the bottoms of the legs. > > If the base of your stand is only made of particle board strips creating a > 3" or 4" high rectangular base for the bottom shelf to sit on top of, then > you might not want to try sliding it as that base could collapse. If > it's a > solid piece of particle board sitting on the floor itself, then it might > slide easier.. even on carpet if the carpet isn't too thick or the padding > isn't too thick. > > Is yours on carpet or tile or ??? > > Your other option is the next time you do a PWC, do a big one.. 50% > and that > would make it much lighter and possibly you could pry it away from the > wall > a little then. > > ONLY use this pry method on the very bottom of the stand if it's a flat > bottom, so it will slide, as any other attempt could be disastrous... and > next time, check to see that it's where you want it, even, parallel and > level first... before filling up the tank. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > The only problem with putting a HOB on one end of the tank is that I use > the versa top's which are half plastic half glass and they bend in the > middle, and it it designed to fit inside the lip of the rim of the tank. > And I can't cut glass, wonder if I could put a lip on the edge of the AC > HOB filter to hold the lid up, but that will take some fabrication ;) > Perhaps it would just be better to go with a canister filter and put the > outtake on the same end as the powerhead, and put the intake on the > sponge end, there would be less work to do, and I think less money to be > spent, since I already have a canister filter that just needs some more > tubing so that I could change the intake/outtakes so they aren't right > next to each other. > > I also realized while reading up on all of this that my 125 gallon has > an odd current to it. all the filters are on one end of the tank, and > since the tank is 6 feet long that's a lot of way for the water to flow > before it comes back to the intakes. So I'm thinking I need to figure > out something different for that tank as well. I can't put the HOB on > the right end as the back of the tank is crooked (no idea how that > happened but now that it's full of water I can't move the tank, LOL). So > the right end of the tank is closer to the wall behind than the left > side, so the HOB aquaclear 110 has to go on the left side of the tank. I > could put the magnum 350 on the other end like it was, so it pushes the > water down to the left side of the tank to the HOB, and my fluidized bed > filter which is also on the left end of the tank. Would it be best to > have an intake on each end or should I keep the filters all on one end > and put in a powerhead to push the water back to the left side of the > tank? I don't have any extra tubing for the magnum 350 so the > intake/outtakes are the same length and right next to each other, I > would have to order extra tubing for it before I could separate the > intake and outtakes to opposite ends of the tank. I currently have 2 > filters and a bio filter on the tank, not sure how much water the bio > filter (fluidized bed filter) pushes, but it trickles out like a HOB > does, so it's not much water pressure. I have the magnum 350 and the > aquaclear 110 for the water cleaning part. > > Amber > I'm sure the current in my 125 gallon tank is a bit odd right now > though, I'm almost afraid to do a test to see how it circulates, LOL. > I'm guessing that no current is on one end of the tank though since it's > having to push 6 feet and there's nothing to push it back. > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Since you mentioned that you were planning on keeping water quality in > > excellent condition, you should probably go with a filter system that is > > easy to do maintenance on, so it will be easier to do more > frequently. The > > sponge blocks will certainly be easy to lift off the intakes of the > > powerhead circulation system.. and don't squeeze the sponges while > in the > > tank. I usually leave them in the water and then use a large bowl, > 32 oz. > > plastic cup, etc. to slide/dip under the sponge before lifting it > out the > > water so any detritus in the sponges does not drip back into the tank. > > > > If you go with the AC HOB, you could try it on either end but it would > > probably be best to put it on the end where the powerhead is at so the > > waterfall flow from the AC will be more likely to blend in with the > > circulation. The water coming right out the powerhead will be less > likely > > to be disrupted by the water from the waterfall whereas the slower > flowing > > water at the other end would be more likely to be altered by the water > > from > > the HOB. You might have to try it on both ends before you make a final > > decision. > > > > Although, having the filters intake on the bottom/end where all the > > water is > > getting pushed too might be better also since the detritus' first trip > > around the tank will be to that end. This is where using the canister > > filter so you could plumb the intake down to the bottom to suck up the > > majority of the water, detritus, etc. and filter it out of the tank > > would be > > best but technically, you could also plumb the intake of an HOB so > > that the > > actual intake is between the two sponge blocks instead of it just > being at > > the bottom of the uplift tube like the standard HOB. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:31 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > I'm guessing you might be talking about this design: > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design> > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/river-tank-manifold-design>> > > I'm going to modify it, and cover the pvc piping (on the bottom of the > > tank, and the left side where the outtakes will be) with the foam and > > cut out holes where the pvc outtakes are going to be, and I guess I > > could just leave the sponges visible on the other end of the tank since > > they will need to be cleaned regularly. I will definately post pics when > > I get all of this started (which should hopefully be this weekend). > > According to the site I have the minimum power required with my > > powerhead, and by adding a canister filter would have more than the > > minimum. I want to have a canister filter as well to help with water > > quality if I want to use carbon for something, etc. Thankfully the > > canister filter I had in mind is the lesser powered eheim so I won't > > overpower my tank ;) LOL. I'm wondering if I should use the eheim at the > > middle part of the tank (outtake) so that it puts a medium flow of > > current through the middle part of the tank? If I put it at the bottom > > too it'll make it uneven unless I put it right in the middle or > something? > > Thoughts on this? LOL > > Perhaps I should skip a canister filter and put on a HOB? Get a cheap > > aquaclear to put on the tank, but I could only put it on one end or on > > one side on the back of the tank since it has a middle divider. I wanted > > to use a canister filter out of the fact that I have one sitting > > downstairs that just needs cleaned and put back together (plus new > > tubing). But the aquaclear filters are pretty cheap so I could go that > > route if it would be better than adding even more current to the tank > > with the canister filter. > > I'm tired, hope all of that made sense, LOL. > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit > point > > > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > > > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > > > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > > > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > > > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than > sufficient > > > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow > into > > > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through > each > > > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > > > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > > > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > > > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > > > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > > > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since > they > > > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to > > it ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid > > the pipe > > > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the > > thing > > > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or > in the > > > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > > > brings a > > > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > > > channel > > > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power > head and > > > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed > much less > > > > this > > > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... > especially > > > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your > powerhead is > > > > rated > > > > > at > > > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT > > FOR FW > > > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches > > > and very > > > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will > > > not be > > > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube > > from the > > > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > > > tank like > > > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get > > > the fast > > > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total > > circulation > > > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > > > since I've > > > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > > > over-filtered > > > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many > > articles and > > > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > > > with just > > > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > > > movement > > > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > > > powerhead and > > > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > > > nearly 20X > > > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, > > > 10X of > > > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop > some > > > > flake > > > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > > > around and > > > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > > > once you > > > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > > > redirect the > > > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > > > stream > > > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > > > between > > > > > the rocks. > > > > > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > > > cleaned at > > > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > > > into your > > > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably > be most > > > > > natural > > > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, > potted > > > > plants, > > > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > > > for how > > > > > he > > > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > > > same type > > > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > > > make all > > > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > > > knife set > > > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > > > Applying just > > > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > > > where the > > > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on > > fire. LOL > > > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > > > pictures > > > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You > might > > > > even > > > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this > project > > > > and if > > > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > > > smaller > > > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so > they > > > > would > > > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in > > these > > > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > > > fast for > > > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>>>> and > > > > > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > 8> > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > 8> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > 8 > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/2> > > > > 8>> > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>>> > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto: > > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering a > > > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > > > filter > > > > > to > > > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > > > would it > > > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank > then I > > > > don't > > > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > > > falling > > > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this > tank not > > > > hard to > > > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > > > quality > > > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well > enough, I'm > > > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as > it is > > > > easier > > > > > to siphon clean. > > > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder > > > how I > > > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > > > time on > > > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > > > something > > > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant > > > to the > > > > > tank > > > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you > > > could mold > > > > > and > > > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > > > doesn't > > > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > > > tank > > > > > like > > > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > > > too, it > > > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > > > feet to > > > > > work > > > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > > > either give > > > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes > > back home > > > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > > > lasts > > > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I > > > told my > > > > > mom > > > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future > when she > > > > wants > > > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > > > garbage > > > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > > > xp3, > > > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end > > > of the > > > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting > > out the > > > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline > > spraying out > > > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > > > spend > > > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the > surface > > > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning > water, they > > > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught > > > in that > > > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a > couple of > > > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > > > other > > > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > > > which > > > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder > > > flow at > > > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of > > one or > > > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on > > mine, it > > > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in > > those > > > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the > other end, > > > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also > > get some > > > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake > > > in the > > > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom > > portion of > > > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > > > down > > > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and > that > > > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the > > water > > > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of > > the tank > > > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? > > Doing a > > > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that > > sells them > > > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF > > file... and > > > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted > > plants > > > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water > > squirting out > > > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>>> > > (Links > > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto: > > > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > considering > > > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, > > > as they > > > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the > > filstar xp's > > > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I > > think, > > > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's > > look a > > > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead > > > that I > > > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how > > fast it > > > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure > > it's > > > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the > > side of > > > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > > > going > > > > > > to use it. > > > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other > > rocks to > > > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > > > near the > > > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, > then the > > > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one > > > end to > > > > > the > > > > > other. > > > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > > > released > > > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or > > just > > > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around > > > in your > > > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow > through a > > > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > > > plant, > > > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow > > pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end > near the > > > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > > > near the > > > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the > bottom > > > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels > > of the > > > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > > > like > > > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off > > > to the > > > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > > > deal > > > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. 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> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum > > that will > > > > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom > of the > > > > tank. > > > > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 > > > gallon, and > > > > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have > to look > > > > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered > > though, as I > > > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the > > middle > > > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll > pull the > > > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but > > > as far > > > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why > I was > > > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > > > with > > > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the > non-loach > > > > fish, > > > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't > > on the > > > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all > > > the way > > > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > > > stairs > > > > > into > > > > > the second tank. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > > > having > > > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > > > plumbed > > > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > > > actually > > > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the > > bottom and > > > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and > > > I can > > > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > > > other > > > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back > > to the > > > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to > > like both > > > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then > floating > > > > down > > > > > to > > > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! 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<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon > > > currently does > > > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, > > but I > > > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > > > sand/gravel > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so > > > the eco > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier > > > plants like > > > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to > > worry > > > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) > > I have > > > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at > > > the LFS > > > > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up > > the 125 > > > > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the > same > > > > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too > > > much, but > > > > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to > > > break up > > > > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > > > > loaches > > > > > anyways ;). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower > > area, my > > > > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the > > tank, I > > > > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the > > > proper > > > > > > > > flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank > > and the > > > > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow > through the > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a > > > bridge to > > > > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow > > > between the > > > > > > > > two tanks. This might be a thought for the future if I get > > this > > > > > > > > all set up right in the first place ;) Then I could have a > > nice > > > > > > > > planted tank in one tank and put a rocky set up in the other > > > tank, > > > > > > > > hmm, thoughts for the > > > > > > > future I guess, LOL. > > > > > > > > Now if I had my 55 gallon tank closer I could connect my 125 > > > > > > > > gallon and the > > > > > > > > 55 this way, but one tank is currently upstairs and the big > > > one is > > > > > > > > downstairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

My theory is that fish take "cat naps", so they may not be asleep all night, but they definitely do take naps throughout the night while the lights are off, I know that my fish are all rather still at night. I need to get new moonlight LED's on the 125 gallon, the ones I got came broken or burned out possibly, because they don't work, that's all I know, LOL. They look fine, but when I plug them in obviously nothing lights up ;) Any suggestions to find out what may be wrong with them would be appreciated, I was just going to replace them rather than try to fix them as I'm not very good with anything electrical ;) (can you say, "zzzt, OUCH!" LOL). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights > sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I > could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give > them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen > this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish > like > a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up > when > he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little > stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly > while we > were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to > having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in > many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles > below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the > contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I > guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light > off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35746	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

That was an awful movie from an Alaskan's point of view. Although they did capture the harshness of Barrow, there are NOT that many hot blonde's up there, I know for a fact, LOL. Now from the point of view from a Horror movie lover; It was an okay movie, not as good as other vampire movies, it was mostly a gore fest with lots of fake blood spurting all over the (most likely fake) snow. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > How about this movie, where an Alaskan town is in darkness all day, > called "30 Days of Night" where some vampires move in for a while. > > Speaking of vampires, back in 1994, they discovered a new fish which was > dubbed the vampire fish. Here is a brief article from the New Scientist: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the > <http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the> > ir-teeth.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h <http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h> > > The article mentions the candiru, which also has a common name of > vampire fish, highlighting one of the evils of using common names. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but > Robin > > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I > would > > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Len, > > >> > > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > >> > > >> Why? > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > >> > > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common > in many > > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology > of the > > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is > utilizing > > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. > Articles > > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > >> > > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > >> > > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > >> > > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > >> > > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four > week > > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and > the > > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still > be a > > >> stressor to the fish. > > >> > > >> Lenny Vasbinder > > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > > >> To: AquaticLife > > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> > > >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my > diatom > > >> filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and > the > > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > >> > > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the > contents > > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit > I guess, > > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for > about 4 > > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it > helps the > > >> tank settle down faster. > > >> > > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light > off over > > >> night. > > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My > beautiful > > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In > order to > > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight > water > > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three > days. All > > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > >> > > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is > not a > > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal > color for > > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to > suggestions on > > >> this point as well. > > >> > > >> Your thoughts folks? > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35747	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

Yeah I'm not an expert but I'd have to agree with you, sounds like fungal issues. How long had the tank been cycled before you put him in it? Also how long has it been since you cleaned the filter? and how often do you do partial water changes, and how much water do you take out? Foul smelling water is also not good, you're going to need to get your water clear again by doing hourly partial water changes, but before that you should test all your tank's parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate for starters. Then post all those here, that will help someone determine what could be wrong. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I'm sure someone with more than a couple months experience will chime > in shortly, but that sounds more like fungus or a bacterial infection > than > Ich. Ich looks like little white dots, not fluffy like cotton. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "crazycatlady" <crazycatlady2323@... > <mailto:crazycatlady2323%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] ich > > i just got a goldfish from someone. i placed it in a already cycled > withonly > snails in it 29 gal tank. he got fluffy white stuff all over him > (including > his eyes) and died. i tried the ich measures i have read here (increased > temp, salt in water, and even used the blue ich medicine) but he still > died. > question is, the water is now cloudy and foul smelling. of course i > will do > a major water change, but can i put another goldfish in there without > them > getting ich? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35748	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Glofish

Are glofish livebearers???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35749	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

No they lay eggs. you can get more info about them at www.glofish.com Amber *Carol Lynn* wrote: > > Are glofish livebearers??? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35750	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

No, they are not livebearers. They are genetically enhanced Zebra Danio's with the various day-glo color genes added into their DNA while still in the egg. They are the exact same species as regular ZD's which are egg scatterers. Now that the first adults have the gene, when they breed, the gene comes naturally in the newborn so the day-glo coloring continues. I've read that as the various colors cross-breed, their offspring colors change slightly so I imagine that without controlled breeding within a certain color.. and if allowed to just cross-breed freely, the offspring will eventually start turning back to their natural color or mostly black/white stripes. Here is the legal breeder and primary distributor of GloFish in America. http://www.glofish.com/ and you can read their FAQ's page for more info on how they do the day-glo color enhancement. Here are some good profiles on the original non-glowing Zebra Danios. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?ID=4653 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish Are glofish livebearers???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35751	From: greychildren	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have scales like other fish.. What do u guys recommend? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "mytiel123" <kerrypeskett@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I have a question for anyone who may be able to answer me. I have a > 32 gallon tank which I have been treating for ich for the last 9 > days. All my fish except for one are fine. > A female guppy still has a few spots on her but is improving daily. > How long after I see the last spot do I have to treat the tank? I am > doing water changes etc.... Is it true that once the fish have had ich > and recovered they become immune?? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35752	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

The WetSpot in Portland. Steve Lundblad is the owner and big time fish enthusiast. http://www.wetspottropicalfish.com/ -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth <jayzlady2007@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:06 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] A reputable fish seller near Oregon? I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is nowhere in town we can get one from! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35753	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Okay. Thanks for the link. I was wondering cuz I have a yellow one and an orange one and the yellow one looks a lil bloated. They keep chasing each other around. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:35:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glofish No, they are not livebearers. They are genetically enhanced Zebra Danio's with the various day-glo color genes added into their DNA while still in the egg. They are the exact same species as regular ZD's which are egg scatterers. Now that the first adults have the gene, when they breed, the gene comes naturally in the newborn so the day-glo coloring continues. I've read that as the various colors cross-breed, their offspring colors change slightly so I imagine that without controlled breeding within a certain color.. and if allowed to just cross-breed freely, the offspring will eventually start turning back to their natural color or mostly black/white stripes. Here is the legal breeder and primary distributor of GloFish in America. http://www.glofish. com/ and you can read their FAQ's page for more info on how they do the day-glo color enhancement. Here are some good profiles on the original non-glowing Zebra Danios. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile54. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?ID=4653 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish Are glofish livebearers? ?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a second thread. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599 http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2600 The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a longer period of time. What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the loaches. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have scales like other fish.. What do u guys recommend? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "mytiel123" <kerrypeskett@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I have a question for anyone who may be able to answer me. I have a > 32 gallon tank which I have been treating for ich for the last 9 days. > All my fish except for one are fine. > A female guppy still has a few spots on her but is improving daily. > How long after I see the last spot do I have to treat the tank? I am > doing water changes etc.... Is it true that once the fish have had ich > and recovered they become immune?? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35755	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

Oops.. I tried to shorten the 2600 numbered forum post and must have chopped too much off the URL. Here's the full URL. The added information in this thread may already be incorporated into the primary article. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2600&view=next&sid=e8530460613bfbb 0f45d7b7a4fe1bbc3 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have scales like other fish.. What do u guys recommend? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "mytiel123" <kerrypeskett@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I have a question for anyone who may be able to answer me. I have a > 32 gallon tank which I have been treating for ich for the last 9 days. > All my fish except for one are fine. > A female guppy still has a few spots on her but is improving daily. > How long after I see the last spot do I have to treat the tank? I am > doing water changes etc.... Is it true that once the fish have had ich > and recovered they become immune??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35756	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Female ZD's usually are more plump/rounder than the males and in the classic/original non-inbred variety (before the long finned variants were developed), the female had slightly longer dorsal and anal fins than the males and the females were more whitish/silvery and the males slightly yellowish/goldish colored. I haven't kept or read enough about the long-finned variants to know if this is still true with them. This profile shows a picture of a few classic ZD's with the three males clearly different than the one female in the image. It would be best to have 2 or more females for each male in our tanks or the female could be harassed badly by multiple males who will nip at her tail fin to slow her down. Whenever this would happen to one of my females, I would put the males in the breeder net as a time-out while the female was allowed to roam free and rest from the harassment. http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glofish Okay. Thanks for the link. I was wondering cuz I have a yellow one and an orange one and the yellow one looks a lil bloated. They keep chasing each other around. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:35:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glofish No, they are not livebearers. They are genetically enhanced Zebra Danio's with the various day-glo color genes added into their DNA while still in the egg. They are the exact same species as regular ZD's which are egg scatterers. Now that the first adults have the gene, when they breed, the gene comes naturally in the newborn so the day-glo coloring continues. I've read that as the various colors cross-breed, their offspring colors change slightly so I imagine that without controlled breeding within a certain color.. and if allowed to just cross-breed freely, the offspring will eventually start turning back to their natural color or mostly black/white stripes. Here is the legal breeder and primary distributor of GloFish in America. http://www.glofish. com/ and you can read their FAQ's page for more info on how they do the day-glo color enhancement. Here are some good profiles on the original non-glowing Zebra Danios. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile54. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?ID=4653 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish Are glofish livebearers? ??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35757	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a second thread. http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2599 http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2600 The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a longer period of time. What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the loaches. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have scales like other fish.. What do u guys recommend? --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "mytiel123" <kerrypeskett@ ...> wrote: > > Hi, > I have a question for anyone who may be able to answer me. I have a > 32 gallon tank which I have been treating for ich for the last 9 days. > All my fish except for one are fine. > A female guppy still has a few spots on her but is improving daily. > How long after I see the last spot do I have to treat the tank? I am > doing water changes etc.... Is it true that once the fish have had ich > and recovered they become immune?? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35758	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: ich

Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient although there are references in that article about only adding the medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they are at their most vulnerable stage. I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. http://www.loaches.com/species-index/clown-loach-chromobotia-macracanthus Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a second thread. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599 http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2600 The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a longer period of time. What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the loaches. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have scales like other fish.. What do u guys recommend?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35759	From: Wendie	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Trust me, there's not much of anything up in Barrow except the natives who insist upon running their ATV's at 3am Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae That was an awful movie from an Alaskan's point of view. Although they did capture the harshness of Barrow, there are NOT that many hot blonde's up there, I know for a fact, LOL. Now from the point of view from a Horror movie lover; It was an okay movie, not as good as other vampire movies, it was mostly a gore fest with lots of fake blood spurting all over the (most likely fake) snow. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > How about this movie, where an Alaskan town is in darkness all day, > called "30 Days of Night" where some vampires move in for a while. > > Speaking of vampires, back in 1994, they discovered a new fish which was > dubbed the vampire fish. Here is a brief article from the New Scientist: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the > <http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the> > ir-teeth.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h <http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h> > > The article mentions the candiru, which also has a common name of > vampire fish, highlighting one of the evils of using common names. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but > Robin > > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I > would > > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Len, > > >> > > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > >> > > >> Why? > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > >> > > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common > in many > > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology > of the > > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is > utilizing > > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. > Articles > > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > >> > > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > >> > > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > >> > > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > >> > > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four > week > > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and > the > > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still > be a > > >> stressor to the fish. > > >> > > >> Lenny Vasbinder > > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > > >> To: AquaticLife > > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> > > >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my > diatom > > >> filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and > the > > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > >> > > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the > contents > > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit > I guess, > > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for > about 4 > > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it > helps the > > >> tank settle down faster. > > >> > > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light > off over > > >> night. > > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My > beautiful > > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In > order to > > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight > water > > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three > days. All > > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > >> > > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is > not a > > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal > color for > > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to > suggestions on > > >> this point as well. > > >> > > >> Your thoughts folks? > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35760	From: Wendie	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Loaches sleep mainly during the day. If you go past one of my tanks, all you see are tails sticking out of the caves with the fish laying on their sides. My big YoYo has taken to sleeping back in the middle of the tank on the sand. It takes getting used to as you think he's dead when you first see him laying on his side. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > My theory is that fish take "cat naps", so they may not be asleep all > night, but they definitely do take naps throughout the night while the > lights are off, I know that my fish are all rather still at night. I > need to get new moonlight LED's on the 125 gallon, the ones I got came > broken or burned out possibly, because they don't work, that's all I > know, LOL. They look fine, but when I plug them in obviously nothing > lights up ;) Any suggestions to find out what may be wrong with them > would be appreciated, I was just going to replace them rather than try > to fix them as I'm not very good with anything electrical ;) (can you > say, "zzzt, OUCH!" LOL). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> >> It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep >> with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a >> normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights >> sleep >> might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a >> serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I >> could be >> wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are >> almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give >> them each >> day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the >> morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total >> darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of >> time, >> then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. >> >> The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal >> fish... >> or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen >> this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish >> like >> a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up >> when >> he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little >> stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly >> while we >> were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to >> having >> things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than >> they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. >> >> Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in >> many >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of >> the >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >> below >> in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >> stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >> under >> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] >> On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> diatom >> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> contents >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I >> guess, >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >> tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >> off over >> night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color >> for >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >> this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

But the rules only apply to running the ATV's at night so if it's daylight at 3a.m., then "drivers... start your engines!" ;-) And I'm sorry to hear there aren't that many hot blondes up there... there goes my Travelocity plans and I was even going to bring that little Gnome with me.. I hear he's a party animal. LOL Or was Amber just showing her cat claws about the hot blondes comment? rawwwrrrrr!!! ;-) Oh yeah... fish! Trying to get this thread back on topic. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Trust me, there's not much of anything up in Barrow except the natives who insist upon running their ATV's at 3am Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae That was an awful movie from an Alaskan's point of view. Although they did capture the harshness of Barrow, there are NOT that many hot blonde's up there, I know for a fact, LOL. Now from the point of view from a Horror movie lover; It was an okay movie, not as good as other vampire movies, it was mostly a gore fest with lots of fake blood spurting all over the (most likely fake) snow. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > How about this movie, where an Alaskan town is in darkness all day, > called "30 Days of Night" where some vampires move in for a while. > > Speaking of vampires, back in 1994, they discovered a new fish which was > dubbed the vampire fish. Here is a brief article from the New Scientist: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the > <http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419540.900-vampire-fish-show-the> > ir-teeth.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h <http://tinyurl.com/6uhw2h> > > The article mentions the candiru, which also has a common name of > vampire fish, highlighting one of the evils of using common names. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > > > Speaking of, they made a movie on this fact, I forget the name but > Robin > > Williams played the key role and it was set in Anchorage I think, or > > perhaps fairbanks, either way it was set it northern Alaska where it > > does get sunlight all summer long with no night cycle. He did a very > > good job, though they may have dramatized it a bit and overplayed it, > > but it still makes you think about what it really can do to a human. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Well I can honestly say that I wouldn't want it to be daylight for 4 > > > weeks straight, even though I DO live in Alaska, but not where it's > > > daylight for the whole summer, we get our night period still ;) > > > It's a proven fact that having daylight all the time for a sustained > > > period on humans can cause psychological issues and depression, I > would > > > assume that fish feel something, if not as much as humans do, if you > > > were to leave the lights on constantly for a long time frame. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Len, > > >> > > >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > >> > > >> Why? > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > >> > > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common > in many > > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology > of the > > >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is > utilizing > > >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. > Articles > > >> below in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > >> > > >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > >> > > >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > >> > > >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > >> > > >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four > week > > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and > the > > >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still > be a > > >> stressor to the fish. > > >> > > >> Lenny Vasbinder > > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > >> Behalf Of bill1433 > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > > >> To: AquaticLife > > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > >> > > >> Since I've had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my > diatom > > >> filter I'm writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and > the > > >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > >> > > >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the > contents > > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit > I guess, > > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it's lighting for > about 4 > > >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it > helps the > > >> tank settle down faster. > > >> > > >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light > off over > > >> night. > > >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My > beautiful > > >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In > order to > > >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight > water > > >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three > days. All > > >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > >> > > >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > > >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8" long. Since this is > not a > > >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal > color for > > >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to > suggestions on > > >> this point as well. > > >> > > >> Your thoughts folks? > > >> Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35762	From: greychildren	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich

Lenny I'm using quick cure( black bottle red cap white label)it says only the medication formalin and malachite green ( also has a cancer warning on it lol). and I'm in Dania Florida. I have not seen Any one in here from down here yet. Power failers are also a problem here lost 2 air pumps already. See Lenny must of the fish items i have were hand me down from my wifes aunt sense she was a fish breeder an stuff. She has nothing left. I think i need a 150w heater i think..btw the ick camer from a common pleco i just introduced into the tank. 2 weeks ago. I will be getting a bigger tank in the neer future. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? > Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient > although there are references in that article about only adding the > medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they > are at their most vulnerable stage. > > I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier > reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be > reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that > have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or > victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the > temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get > access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that > you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of > heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. > > What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your > area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. > Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their > tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent > enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, > if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. > > I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for > Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and > should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or > more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. > Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/clown-loach-chromobotia- macracanthus > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i > started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM > > > > > > > I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so > check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a > second thread. > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599 > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2600 > > The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of > Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature > except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a > longer period of time. > > What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, > that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the > loaches. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my > 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the > fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. > > I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have > scales like other fish.. > > What do u guys recommend? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich

OK. Now you know why we preach so much about quarantining newly acquired fish and plants. Mark this one down as a lesson learned. Since you do have a product containing the formalin and malachite green, you can follow the instructions on the Loaches.com article except you will have to treat for a much longer time since you do not have a heater. Is there a way to just heat up the room where the tank is at with a space heater? It might cost you more than the $10 to $20+ that a used/new heater might cost you but at least you won't have to pay it out of pocket right now if finances are an issue... and aren't they always? Besides, you might be able to turn the central heat or main heat down in the rest of the house since that room will likely leach some of it's heat into the rest of the house anyhow so some of the expense would be offset. DrsFosterSmith.com still has these Rena heaters on clearance sale for $10.19 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+3878&pca tid=3878 They are 100W heaters so you might want to get a few of them and it's best to have to 1/2 sized heaters instead of a full sized one anyhow for safety and redundancy. You could still use one in the 40G, once you are over the Ich, and two in the bigger tank when you get it. From all I've read, Rena and many retailers are clearing these classic style heaters out since Rena is pushing their new SmartHeater's, which fit over a filter's intake tube so it's one less piece of hardware sticking down into the tank. I bought a couple of these a month or so ago and have one of them running at 74F in my 65G goldfish tank mainly for when I do PWC's since the incoming tap water is so much colder this time of year so the heater can keep the tank water from lowering more than 1-2F when I do my weekly PWC's. No problems whatsoever with it and the calibration is accurate and I like how the calibrated dial is marked well and even lights up when the heater comes on confirmation of the temp. Typically, one needs 3-5 watts per gallon to maintain tropical temps so you would likely need two of these 100W heaters in your 40G to raise the temp up to the mid-80's level suggested in the Loaches.com article. Check with your aunt for any of her friends that might have some used heaters to loan or sell you cheap. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich Lenny I'm using quick cure( black bottle red cap white label)it says only the medication formalin and malachite green ( also has a cancer warning on it lol). and I'm in Dania Florida. I have not seen Any one in here from down here yet. Power failers are also a problem here lost 2 air pumps already. See Lenny must of the fish items i have were hand me down from my wifes aunt sense she was a fish breeder an stuff. She has nothing left. I think i need a 150w heater i think..btw the ick camer from a common pleco i just introduced into the tank. 2 weeks ago. I will be getting a bigger tank in the neer future. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? > Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient > although there are references in that article about only adding the > medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they > are at their most vulnerable stage. > > I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier > reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be > reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that > have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or > victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the > temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get > access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that > you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of > heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. > > What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your > area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. > Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their > tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent > enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, > if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. > > I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for > Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and > should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or > more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. > Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/clown-loach-chromobotia- macracanthus > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i > started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM > > > > > > > I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so > check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a > second thread. > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599 > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2600 > > The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of > Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature > except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a > longer period of time. > > What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, > that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the > loaches. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my > 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the > fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. > > I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have > scales like other fish.. > > What do u guys recommend?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35764	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich

I know Lenny don't u sleep?..lol hey can i use a 2g acrylic tank as a quarantine tank? --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:38 AM OK. Now you know why we preach so much about quarantining newly acquired fish and plants. Mark this one down as a lesson learned. Since you do have a product containing the formalin and malachite green, you can follow the instructions on the Loaches.com article except you will have to treat for a much longer time since you do not have a heater. Is there a way to just heat up the room where the tank is at with a space heater? It might cost you more than the $10 to $20+ that a used/new heater might cost you but at least you won't have to pay it out of pocket right now if finances are an issue... and aren't they always? Besides, you might be able to turn the central heat or main heat down in the rest of the house since that room will likely leach some of it's heat into the rest of the house anyhow so some of the expense would be offset. DrsFosterSmith. com still has these Rena heaters on clearance sale for $10.19 http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? c=3578+20024+ 3878&pca tid=3878 They are 100W heaters so you might want to get a few of them and it's best to have to 1/2 sized heaters instead of a full sized one anyhow for safety and redundancy. You could still use one in the 40G, once you are over the Ich, and two in the bigger tank when you get it. From all I've read, Rena and many retailers are clearing these classic style heaters out since Rena is pushing their new SmartHeater' s, which fit over a filter's intake tube so it's one less piece of hardware sticking down into the tank. I bought a couple of these a month or so ago and have one of them running at 74F in my 65G goldfish tank mainly for when I do PWC's since the incoming tap water is so much colder this time of year so the heater can keep the tank water from lowering more than 1-2F when I do my weekly PWC's. No problems whatsoever with it and the calibration is accurate and I like how the calibrated dial is marked well and even lights up when the heater comes on confirmation of the temp. Typically, one needs 3-5 watts per gallon to maintain tropical temps so you would likely need two of these 100W heaters in your 40G to raise the temp up to the mid-80's level suggested in the Loaches.com article. Check with your aunt for any of her friends that might have some used heaters to loan or sell you cheap. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:48 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich Lenny I'm using quick cure( black bottle red cap white label)it says only the medication formalin and malachite green ( also has a cancer warning on it lol). and I'm in Dania Florida. I have not seen Any one in here from down here yet. Power failers are also a problem here lost 2 air pumps already. See Lenny must of the fish items i have were hand me down from my wifes aunt sense she was a fish breeder an stuff. She has nothing left. I think i need a 150w heater i think..btw the ick camer from a common pleco i just introduced into the tank. 2 weeks ago. I will be getting a bigger tank in the neer future. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? > Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient > although there are references in that article about only adding the > medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they > are at their most vulnerable stage. > > I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier > reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be > reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that > have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or > victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the > temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get > access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that > you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of > heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. > > What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your > area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. > Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their > tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent > enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, > if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. > > I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for > Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and > should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or > more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. > Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. > http://www.loaches. com/species- index/clown- loach-chromoboti a- macracanthus > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i > started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM > > > > > > > I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so > check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a > second thread. > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2599 > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2600 > > The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of > Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature > except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a > longer period of time. > > What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, > that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the > loaches. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my > 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the > fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. > > I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have > scales like other fish.. > > What do u guys recommend? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35765	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Thanks Amber, � Your response is more along the lines of what I was talking about. � Although this is my first aquarium in 30-years WITHOUT an under-gravel filter, we have not gotten to live plants.� To me, it�s just another thing in the tank to worry about keeping alive.� Truth be told, I have seen many pictures of planted tanks in the photo section on our group site and must confess, they are beautiful. But around here just finding fish is a real problem and plants?� I haven�t seen any yet � Currently the tank receives a small water change (3-gallon) and a glass cleaning each day to keep up with the brown algae and after reading many responses, I have taken to giving the fish a more natural daylight time of 12 hours on and 12 hours off.� I am still waiting to see how long until the brown stops and the green starts BUT Lenny from here might be right on this point. � Although this tank was setup from a torn down 5-gallon, fish gravel and all, the figure he gave for tank against tank may be accurate in that the bacteria transposed will support the fish but not enough good bacteria to give the crystal-clear look that we all love.� Obviously it�s the old story, if the tank is not clear, then something is still cycling or going on and patience must prevail! � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:32 PM Okay your 29 gallon is how tall? LOL. I'm thinking that 17 watts isn't enough if you have plants. If you don't have any live plants then it's not really going to matter what color bulb or how many watts, just what you want will suffice basically. I would get a 2nd bulb if possible or a 2 bulb fixture if you don't want 2 light fixtures on top of the tank ;). I've gotten to the point where I really like the CFL bulbs that came with my 125 gallon tank, but the plant spectrum that is suggested for plants (I think it's 5000-7000K if I'm correct) is a more yellowish color and I prefer the whiter/blue lighting of 10000k daylight bulbs, but it's not as good for plants. Basically it comes down to whether you want plants or not ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > > > > > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish.... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen > this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like > a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when > he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little > stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we > were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35766	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I don't know either Donna but have since given them a natural 12 on, 12 off time. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:39 PM I don�t know if it�s true, but FWIW someone on another forum claimed his fish actually died from 24/7 lighting. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814> rsmith.com/product/ prod_display. cfm?pcatid= 3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? Why? Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35767	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

Elizabeth, I understand your problems only to well.  I live in Northeastern Pa and all I have is the local, God Help Me, Wal-Mart!  BUT I can give you this news and as was passed on to me by Pam Andress from this list.  I was looking for Blue Rams and she put me in touch with someone that could help.   There are a large number of private breeders located at Aquabid.com.  Just go over there and see if there is anyone close to you that has the fish you want.  I contacted one breeder and received a message back with their personal phone number in it!    Also to be noted, these breeders are scored, much like EBay and they want your business BUT, I can tell you this, fish by mail is not cheap and although most will guarantee a live delivery, the cost may get you weak spell when you see it.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Elizabeth <jayzlady2007@...> wrote: From: Elizabeth <jayzlady2007@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] A reputable fish seller near Oregon? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:06 PM I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is nowhere in town we can get one from! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35768	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.� Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.� This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?� NOT� Mail order?� Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?� What about the lighting tube itself?� Too weak?� Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??� Just wondering about it?� Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.� The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. � Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35769	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

I just have to ask what size tank do you plan to house this fish? Big I hope... On 1/14/09, Elizabeth <jayzlady2007@...> wrote: > > I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today > DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was > a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell > that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived > on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is > reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are > heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is > nowhere in town we can get one from! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35770	From: Elizabeth	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: A reputable fish seller near Oregon?

Well considering how very huge they get I was planning on it... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > I just have to ask what size tank do you plan to house this fish? Big I > hope... > > On 1/14/09, Elizabeth <jayzlady2007@...> wrote: > > > > I ordered a giant gourami from "somethingsphishy" and it arrived today > > DOA. My hubby, who was the one I bought it for, is very upset. It was > > a beautiful fish, but the minute we opened the box you could smell > > that it had been dead a bit. It was sent out on the 12th and arrived > > on the 14th. Does anyone know of a fish dealer NEAR Oregon who is > > reputable, and would be able to OVERNIGHT a 3-5" giant gourami? We are > > heartbroken that the poor thing died over this! 3 days!! There is > > nowhere in town we can get one from! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35771	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

If it makes you feel better Bill I'm dealing with the same brown algae in my 125 gallon tank, there is very little green algae so far, I'm hoping everything will even out soon. I have to clean the front glass every other day or I start to have trouble seeing my fish ;) LOL. I have a nice colony of green algae growing in my betta tank though :) Even though I took everything out of the 55 and put it into the 125 gallon things just haven't evened out yet. But thankfully the tank reads as cycled, I haven't done a test this week but last week ammonia and nitrites were 0 and the nitrates were still fairly low, but in that volume of water it doesn't surprise me that it's hard to get a reading on anything. Amber bill1433 wrote: > Thanks Amber, > > Your response is more along the lines of what I was talking about. > > Although this is my first aquarium in 30-years WITHOUT an under-gravel filter, > we have not gotten to live plants. To me, it’s just another thing in the tank to worry about keeping alive. Truth be told, I have seen many pictures of planted tanks in the photo section on our group site and must confess, they are beautiful. > But around here just finding fish is a real problem and plants? I haven’t seen any yet > > Currently the tank receives a small water change (3-gallon) and a glass cleaning each day to keep up with the brown algae and after reading many responses, I have taken to giving the fish a more natural daylight time of 12 hours on and 12 hours off. I am still waiting to see how long until the brown stops and the green starts BUT Lenny from here might be right on this point. > > Although this tank was setup from a torn down 5-gallon, fish gravel and all, the figure he gave for tank against tank may be accurate in that the bacteria transposed will support the fish but not enough good bacteria to give the crystal-clear look that we all love. Obviously it’s the old story, if the tank is not clear, then something is still cycling or going on and patience must prevail! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:32 PM > > Okay your 29 gallon is how tall? LOL. > I'm thinking that 17 watts isn't enough if you have plants. If you > don't > have any live plants then it's not really going to matter what color > bulb or how many watts, just what you want will suffice basically. I > would get a 2nd bulb if possible or a 2 bulb fixture if you don't want 2 > light fixtures on top of the tank ;). I've gotten to the point where I > really like the CFL bulbs that came with my 125 gallon tank, but the > plant spectrum that is suggested for plants (I think it's 5000-7000K if > I'm correct) is a more yellowish color and I prefer the whiter/blue > lighting of 10000k daylight bulbs, but it's not as good for plants. > Basically it comes down to whether you want plants or not ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything >> > about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? > Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without > under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 years > ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. > >> >> Bill (I wonder about a lot!) >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> > wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids >> > so they sleep > >> with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a >> normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights >> > sleep > >> might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a >> serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I >> > could be > >> wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where >> > they are > >> almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them >> > each > >> day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on >> > in the > >> morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total >> darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, >> then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. >> >> The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish.... >> or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've >> > seen > >> this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish >> > like > >> a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up >> > when > >> he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little >> stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while >> > we > >> were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to >> > having > >> things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than >> they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. >> >> Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] >> > On > >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> > wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in >> > many > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >> > below > >> in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four >> > week > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >> stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >> > under > >> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> > com] > >> On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> > diatom > >> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> > contents > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I >> > guess, > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >> tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off >> > over > >> night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >> this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. >> >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35772	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Sounds as though you did the same thing with the 55 going to a 125 as I did with the 5 to a 29.� Lenny mentioned about the tremendous change of volume in considering bacteria.� All of my test are fine for my water parameters so I guess I'll (we will) just have to wait it out!� Just only going in the 3rd week here so I suppose its going to be a while.� As I mentioned before though, I never had this problem with tanks running under-gravel filters. � I would set up a tank, check temperature, run diatom with super char, and within 72 hours fish, a few each week but again, in bigger tanks 55's and 100's and using power filters that were turning the tanks about 7 times per hour plus under-gravels, that's a lot of water moving.� In those days I used standard shop lights, the 4 foot type with regular daylight tubes on all-glass covers, never had a problem. � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:47 AM If it makes you feel better Bill I'm dealing with the same brown algae in my 125 gallon tank, there is very little green algae so far, I'm hoping everything will even out soon. I have to clean the front glass every other day or I start to have trouble seeing my fish ;) LOL. I have a nice colony of green algae growing in my betta tank though :) Even though I took everything out of the 55 and put it into the 125 gallon things just haven't evened out yet. But thankfully the tank reads as cycled, I haven't done a test this week but last week ammonia and nitrites were 0 and the nitrates were still fairly low, but in that volume of water it doesn't surprise me that it's hard to get a reading on anything. Amber bill1433 wrote: > Thanks Amber, > > Your response is more along the lines of what I was talking about. > > Although this is my first aquarium in 30-years WITHOUT an under-gravel filter, > we have not gotten to live plants. To me, it�s just another thing in the tank to worry about keeping alive. Truth be told, I have seen many pictures of planted tanks in the photo section on our group site and must confess, they are beautiful. > But around here just finding fish is a real problem and plants? I haven�t seen any yet > > Currently the tank receives a small water change (3-gallon) and a glass cleaning each day to keep up with the brown algae and after reading many responses, I have taken to giving the fish a more natural daylight time of 12 hours on and 12 hours off. I am still waiting to see how long until the brown stops and the green starts BUT Lenny from here might be right on this point.. > > Although this tank was setup from a torn down 5-gallon, fish gravel and all, the figure he gave for tank against tank may be accurate in that the bacteria transposed will support the fish but not enough good bacteria to give the crystal-clear look that we all love. Obviously it�s the old story, if the tank is not clear, then something is still cycling or going on and patience must prevail! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:32 PM > > Okay your 29 gallon is how tall? LOL. > I'm thinking that 17 watts isn't enough if you have plants. If you > don't > have any live plants then it's not really going to matter what color > bulb or how many watts, just what you want will suffice basically. I > would get a 2nd bulb if possible or a 2 bulb fixture if you don't want 2 > light fixtures on top of the tank ;). I've gotten to the point where I > really like the CFL bulbs that came with my 125 gallon tank, but the > plant spectrum that is suggested for plants (I think it's 5000-7000K if > I'm correct) is a more yellowish color and I prefer the whiter/blue > lighting of 10000k daylight bulbs, but it's not as good for plants. > Basically it comes down to whether you want plants or not ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything >> > about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? > Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without > under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 years > ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. > >> >> Bill (I wonder about a lot!) >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> > wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids >> > so they sleep > >> with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a >> normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights >> > sleep > >> might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a >> serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I >> > could be > >> wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where >> > they are > >> almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them >> > each > >> day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on >> > in the > >> morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total >> darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, >> then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. >> >> The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish.... >> or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've >> > seen > >> this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish >> > like > >> a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up >> > when > >> he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little >> stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while >> > we > >> were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to >> > having > >> things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than >> they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. >> >> Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] >> > On > >> Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Hi Len, >> >> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >> >> Why? >> >> Bill >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> > wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >> >> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in >> > many > >> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the >> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >> > below > >> in order of shortness (easiest to read). >> >> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >> >> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >> >> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >> >> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four >> > week > >> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >> stressor to the fish. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >> > under > >> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> > com] > >> On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: AquaticLife >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> >> Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >> > diatom > >> filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >> >> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >> > contents > >> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I >> > guess, > >> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 >> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >> tank settle down faster. >> >> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off >> > over > >> night. >> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >> >> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a >> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for >> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >> this point as well. >> >> Your thoughts folks? >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. >> >> > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> > �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. > , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35773	From: abandab19023	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Anglefish

Hi guys. I'm new to the group and have a question. We have had a problem with angle fish. The keep dieing after a couple of days. They are in a 30 tank with different types of pollies,and 2 gold guarmis. Water temp in 78f and the ph is constant at 7.4. I am trying to get this down naturally as there are 2 rocks in the tank that raised the ph. I am adding some driftwood to it to help drop it to 7ish. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35774	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

Yes, just PVC pipe, you could glue the joints, or just put them togeather without, who cares it it leaks a tiny bit? This set up was just to get water moving on the bottom and use the sponge on the head to filter out the big stuff. The bottom movement made the gravel stay On 1/13/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to it ;) > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > > > > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe > > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing > > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the > > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > > brings a > > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or channel > > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and > > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less > > this > > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto: > GoldLenny%40gmail.com <GoldLenny%2540gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially > > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > > rated > > > at > > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW > > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and > very > > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not be > > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the > > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > > tank like > > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the > fast > > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation > > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > > since I've > > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > over-filtered > > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and > > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > > with just > > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > > movement > > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > > powerhead and > > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > > nearly 20X > > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X > of > > > filtration/circulation. > > > > > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > > flake > > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > > around and > > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once > you > > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > > redirect the > > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > > stream > > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > > between > > > the rocks. > > > > > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > > cleaned at > > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > > into your > > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > > > > > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most > > > natural > > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > > plants, > > > etc. for other areas. > > > > > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > > for how > > > he > > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > > same type > > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > > make all > > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > > knife set > > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > > Applying just > > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > > where the > > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL > > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > > pictures > > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might > > even > > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project > > and if > > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > smaller > > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > > would > > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these > > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast > for > > > them in the upper levels. > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> and > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > > > > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > > < > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > > > > > / > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering > a > > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > > filter > > > to > > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > > would it > > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I > > don't > > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > > falling > > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > > hard to > > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > > quality > > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm > > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > > easier > > > to siphon clean. > > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how > I > > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > > time on > > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > something > > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to the > > > tank > > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could > mold > > > and > > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > > doesn't > > > injure any fish somehow. > > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my tank > > > like > > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > > too, it > > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet to > > > work > > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > > either give > > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home > > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he lasts > > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told > my > > > mom > > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she > > wants > > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > > garbage > > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar xp3, > > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of the > > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the > > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out > > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish spend > > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface > > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they > > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in > that > > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > other > > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > which > > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow > at > > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > > > > > > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or > > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it > > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those > > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, > > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some > > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in the > > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of > > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead down > > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water > > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank > > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > > > > > > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a > > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them > > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and > > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > > > > > > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants > > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out > > > > between the plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > (Links > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto: > > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering > > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as > they > > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's > > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, > > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a > > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that I > > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it > > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's > > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of > > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm going > > > > to use it. > > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to > > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near > the > > > > outtake's on the filters. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end > to > > > the > > > other. > > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > released > > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just > > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in > your > > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a > > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > plant, > > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. > > > > > > > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near > the > > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom > > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the > > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much like > > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to the > > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to deal > > > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often areas > > > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep around a > > > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a > > feeding zone > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum that will > > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom of the > > tank. > > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 gallon, > and > > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to look > > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I > > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle > > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the > > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as far > > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches with > > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > > fish, > > > hehe). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the > > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the way > > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the stairs > > > into > > > the second tank. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > having > > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter plumbed > > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water actually > > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and > > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I can > > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > other > > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the > > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both > > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating > > down > > > to > > > go with the flow to the other end. > > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream when you > > > > > > don't have to. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water flow > > > > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with less of a > > > > > > water flow at the upper levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > > > > > > > > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently > does > > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I > > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > sand/gravel > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the > eco > > > > > > complete > > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants > like > > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry > > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have > > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the > LFS > > > > > > for getting another one of them. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35775	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

CLEANER - (reply to self to finish the message... Also having the tank by the heat outlet could be a problem, I would keep an eye on the temp for a while to be sure it is the location that you really want... On 1/15/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Yes, just PVC pipe, you could glue the joints, or just put them togeather > without, who cares it it leaks a tiny bit? This set up was just to get > water moving on the bottom and use the sponge on the head to filter out the > big stuff. The bottom movement made the gravel stay > > On 1/13/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >> >> So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point >> >> then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the >> gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to >> direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, >> but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to >> rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient >> to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into >> 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each >> exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one >> canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just >> use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it >> and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to >> wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is >> actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they >> are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to it ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Harl Myers wrote: >> > >> > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... >> > >> > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid the pipe >> > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make the thing >> > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or in the >> > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, >> > brings a >> > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or >> channel >> > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power head and >> > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much less >> > this >> > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto: >> GoldLenny%40gmail.com <GoldLenny%2540gmail.com>> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... especially >> > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is >> > rated >> > > at >> > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT FOR FW >> > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and >> very >> > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead will not >> be >> > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube from the >> > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the >> > tank like >> > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the >> fast >> > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total circulation >> > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical >> > since I've >> > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own >> over-filtered >> > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many articles and >> > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement >> > with just >> > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much >> > movement >> > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the >> > powerhead and >> > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is >> > nearly 20X >> > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger fish, 10X >> of >> > > filtration/circulation. >> > > >> > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some >> > flake >> > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves >> > around and >> > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that once >> you >> > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will >> > redirect the >> > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a >> > stream >> > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings >> > between >> > > the rocks. >> > > >> > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be >> > cleaned at >> > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked >> > into your >> > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. >> > > >> > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be most >> > > natural >> > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted >> > plants, >> > > etc. for other areas. >> > > >> > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages >> > for how >> > > he >> > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this >> > same type >> > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To >> > make all >> > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's >> > knife set >> > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. >> > Applying just >> > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area >> > where the >> > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on fire. LOL >> > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of >> > pictures >> > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You might >> > even >> > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this project >> > and if >> > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some >> smaller >> > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they >> > would >> > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out in these >> > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to fast >> for >> > > them in the upper levels. >> > > >> > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm >> > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> and >> > > >> > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm >> > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> >> > > >> > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 >> > < >> http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 >> > >> > > / >> > > >> > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html >> > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> right >> > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> > Month) >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto: >> > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM >> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering >> a >> > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). >> > > >> > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a >> > filter >> > > to >> > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or >> > would it >> > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? >> > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank then I >> > don't >> > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus >> > falling >> > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not >> > hard to >> > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water >> > quality >> > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well enough, I'm >> > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is >> > easier >> > > to siphon clean. >> > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I wonder how >> I >> > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the >> > time on >> > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... >> > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do >> something >> > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to >> the >> > > tank >> > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could >> mold >> > > and >> > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it >> > doesn't >> > > injure any fish somehow. >> > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my >> tank >> > > like >> > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel >> > too, it >> > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 feet >> to >> > > work >> > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to >> > either give >> > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes back home >> > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he >> lasts >> > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). I told >> my >> > > mom >> > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future when she >> > wants >> > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the >> > garbage >> > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). >> > > >> > > Amber >> > > >> > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > >> > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar >> xp3, >> > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of >> the >> > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting out the >> > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline spraying out >> > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish >> spend >> > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly >> > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the surface >> > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, they >> > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in >> that >> > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of >> > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the >> other >> > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, >> which >> > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much milder flow >> at >> > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. >> > > > >> > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of one or >> > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on mine, it >> > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in those >> > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other end, >> > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also get some >> > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two >> > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in >> the >> > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the >> > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one >> > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves >> > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since >> > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom portion of >> > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. >> > > > >> > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead >> down >> > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that >> > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the water >> > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of the tank >> > > > and return to the powerhead intake. >> > > > >> > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? Doing a >> > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that sells them >> > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF file... and >> > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. >> > > > >> > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted plants >> > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water squirting out >> > > > between the plants. >> > > > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>< >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> >> (Links >> > > to any articles referenced in >> > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under >> Labels >> > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] >> > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM >> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto: >> > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: >> considering >> > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). >> > > > >> > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister >> > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the >> > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as >> they >> > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the filstar xp's >> > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I think, >> > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's look a >> > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The powerhead that >> I >> > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how fast it >> > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the >> > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am sure it's >> > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. >> > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the side of >> > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm >> going >> > > > to use it. >> > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other rocks to >> > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank near >> the >> > > > outtake's on the filters. >> > > > >> > > > Amber >> > > > >> > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the >> > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from one end >> to >> > > the >> > > other. >> > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring >> released >> > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, or just >> > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in >> your >> > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow through a >> > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, >> plant, >> > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow pattern. >> > > > > >> > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as >> > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the >> > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end near >> the >> > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the bottom >> > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels of the >> > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much >> like >> > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to >> the >> > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to >> deal >> > > > > with the faster flowing waters. 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It's really the outtakes that need lowered though, as I >> > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the middle >> > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll pull the >> > > > > current to the other end of the tank. >> > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra >> > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as >> far >> > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was >> > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches >> with >> > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach >> > fish, >> > > hehe). >> > > > > >> > > > > Amber >> > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't on the >> > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks >> > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the >> way >> > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the >> stairs >> > > into >> > > the second tank. >> > > > > > LOL >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about >> having >> > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter >> plumbed >> > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water >> actually >> > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my >> > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the bottom and >> > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I >> can >> > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the >> other >> > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back to the >> > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow >> > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to like both >> > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take >> > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then floating >> > down >> > > to >> > > go with the flow to the other end. >> > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! 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Bristle nose plecos and NEW: >> > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently >> does >> > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, but I >> > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain >> sand/gravel >> > > too. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, so the >> eco >> > > > > > complete >> > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants >> like >> > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to worry >> > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) I have >> > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for at the >> LFS >> > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up the 125 >> > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same >> > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, >> but >> > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to break >> up >> > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream >> > loaches >> > > anyways ;). >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower area, my >> > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the tank, I >> > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the >> proper >> > > > > > flow. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank and the >> > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow through the >> > tank. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a bridge >> to >> > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow between >> the >> > > > > > two tanks. 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LOL. I saw >> > > > > > > that set up, read the article, but they don't state exactly >> how >> > > > > > > much water flow you should have or if you can make do with >> > > > > > > different >> > > > > setups. >> > > > > > > I definately want some of these guys, but wasn't sure if they >> > > > > > > were something that had to be a "species only" setup. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35776	From: Megan Honeywell	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Fancy Guppies?

Thanks for all of the great advice on Fancy guppies!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

The one that "looks bloated" is probably just a female, the males are a bit more streamined looking. Glofish pick mates for life, so you now have a happy pair. Amber Carol Lynn wrote: > > Okay. Thanks for the link. I was wondering cuz I have a yellow one and > an orange one and the yellow one looks a lil bloated. They keep > chasing each other around. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@... <mailto:childofgod19832003%40yahoo.com> > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:35:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > No, they are not livebearers. > > They are genetically enhanced Zebra Danio's with the various day-glo color > genes added into their DNA while still in the egg. They are the exact same > species as regular ZD's which are egg scatterers. Now that the first > adults > have the gene, when they breed, the gene comes naturally in the newborn so > the day-glo coloring continues. I've read that as the various colors > cross-breed, their offspring colors change slightly so I imagine that > without controlled breeding within a certain color.. and if allowed to > just > cross-breed freely, the offspring will eventually start turning back to > their natural color or mostly black/white stripes. > > Here is the legal breeder and primary distributor of GloFish in America. > http://www.glofish. com/ and you can read their FAQ's page for more > info on > how they do the day-glo color enhancement. > > Here are some good profiles on the original non-glowing Zebra Danios. > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile54. html > http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html > http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?ID=4653 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > Are glofish livebearers? ?? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35778	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

My yoyo loaches that I had before were fairly active all the time, maybe they didn't have any spots they wanted to sleep in, I don't have them anymore though as they died with my ich outbreak. Amber Wendie wrote: > Loaches sleep mainly during the day. If you go past one of my tanks, all > you see are tails sticking out of the caves with the fish laying on their > sides. My big YoYo has taken to sleeping back in the middle of the tank on > the sand. It takes getting used to as you think he's dead when you first > see him laying on his side. > Wendie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > > >> My theory is that fish take "cat naps", so they may not be asleep all >> night, but they definitely do take naps throughout the night while the >> lights are off, I know that my fish are all rather still at night. I >> need to get new moonlight LED's on the 125 gallon, the ones I got came >> broken or burned out possibly, because they don't work, that's all I >> know, LOL. They look fine, but when I plug them in obviously nothing >> lights up ;) Any suggestions to find out what may be wrong with them >> would be appreciated, I was just going to replace them rather than try >> to fix them as I'm not very good with anything electrical ;) (can you >> say, "zzzt, OUCH!" LOL). >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> >>> It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep >>> with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a >>> normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights >>> sleep >>> might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a >>> serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I >>> could be >>> wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are >>> almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give >>> them each >>> day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the >>> morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total >>> darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of >>> time, >>> then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. >>> >>> The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal >>> fish... >>> or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen >>> this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish >>> like >>> a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up >>> when >>> he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little >>> stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly >>> while we >>> were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to >>> having >>> things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than >>> they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. >>> >>> Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) >>> >>> Lenny Vasbinder >>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >>> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >>> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> Behalf Of bill1433 >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM >>> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> >>> Hi Len, >>> >>> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >>> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >>> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >>> >>> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in >>> many >>> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of >>> the >>> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing >>> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >>> below >>> in order of shortness (easiest to read). >>> >>> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >>> >>> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >>> >>> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >>> >>> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week >>> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the >>> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >>> stressor to the fish. >>> >>> Lenny Vasbinder >>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >>> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >>> under >>> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >>> com] >>> On Behalf Of bill1433 >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >>> To: AquaticLife >>> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> >>> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >>> diatom >>> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the >>> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >>> >>> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >>> contents >>> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I >>> guess, >>> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 >>> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the >>> tank settle down faster. >>> >>> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >>> off over >>> night. >>> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >>> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to >>> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water >>> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All >>> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >>> >>> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >>> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a >>> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color >>> for >>> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on >>> this point as well. >>> >>> Your thoughts folks? >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35779	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer's 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/equipment/lighting/section7.cfm?attr=0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.  Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.  This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?  NOT  Mail order?  Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?  What about the lighting tube itself?  Too weak?  Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??  Just wondering about it?  Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.  The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick.   Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len,   "it would still be a stressor to the fish"?????   Why?   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35780	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy Guppies?

I love guppies. They like rabbits...lol. I never have to buy anymore fish when I've got guppies. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... ________________________________ From: Megan Honeywell <rabbitbeast@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:24:16 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Fancy Guppies? Thanks for all of the great advice on Fancy guppies!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35781	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich

A 2G would work OK for quarantining very small fish. A 10G is a nice size tank to have as an extra to use as a Q-tank or H-tank and since many meds are dispensed in 10G dosages, it also serves to make medicating the tank easier. Wal-Mart's sell 10G tanks for around $10.00 or you can get a Sterilite clear storage box of the same size for $4.00 and it will double as a storage box for linens or other stuff when you're not needing it for your fish... and it's more durable stuck up in a closet some where compared to a 10G glass tank. Here's a couple of articles on being prepared with a Q-tank/H-tank. Not all of this is needed but as you can see, it's helpful to have around when needed. http://www.flippersandfins.net/articelhospital.htm http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_quarantine.php You can also do a search of the Messages section for - quarantine - on the Group's website and find many more tips and information. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich I know Lenny don't u sleep?..lol hey can i use a 2g acrylic tank as a quarantine tank? --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:38 AM OK. Now you know why we preach so much about quarantining newly acquired fish and plants. Mark this one down as a lesson learned. Since you do have a product containing the formalin and malachite green, you can follow the instructions on the Loaches.com article except you will have to treat for a much longer time since you do not have a heater. Is there a way to just heat up the room where the tank is at with a space heater? It might cost you more than the $10 to $20+ that a used/new heater might cost you but at least you won't have to pay it out of pocket right now if finances are an issue... and aren't they always? Besides, you might be able to turn the central heat or main heat down in the rest of the house since that room will likely leach some of it's heat into the rest of the house anyhow so some of the expense would be offset. DrsFosterSmith. com still has these Rena heaters on clearance sale for $10.19 http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? c=3578+20024+ 3878&pca tid=3878 They are 100W heaters so you might want to get a few of them and it's best to have to 1/2 sized heaters instead of a full sized one anyhow for safety and redundancy. You could still use one in the 40G, once you are over the Ich, and two in the bigger tank when you get it. From all I've read, Rena and many retailers are clearing these classic style heaters out since Rena is pushing their new SmartHeater' s, which fit over a filter's intake tube so it's one less piece of hardware sticking down into the tank. I bought a couple of these a month or so ago and have one of them running at 74F in my 65G goldfish tank mainly for when I do PWC's since the incoming tap water is so much colder this time of year so the heater can keep the tank water from lowering more than 1-2F when I do my weekly PWC's. No problems whatsoever with it and the calibration is accurate and I like how the calibrated dial is marked well and even lights up when the heater comes on confirmation of the temp. Typically, one needs 3-5 watts per gallon to maintain tropical temps so you would likely need two of these 100W heaters in your 40G to raise the temp up to the mid-80's level suggested in the Loaches.com article. Check with your aunt for any of her friends that might have some used heaters to loan or sell you cheap. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:48 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich Lenny I'm using quick cure( black bottle red cap white label)it says only the medication formalin and malachite green ( also has a cancer warning on it lol). and I'm in Dania Florida. I have not seen Any one in here from down here yet. Power failers are also a problem here lost 2 air pumps already. See Lenny must of the fish items i have were hand me down from my wifes aunt sense she was a fish breeder an stuff. She has nothing left. I think i need a 150w heater i think..btw the ick camer from a common pleco i just introduced into the tank. 2 weeks ago. I will be getting a bigger tank in the neer future. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? > Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient > although there are references in that article about only adding the > medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they > are at their most vulnerable stage. > > I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier > reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be > reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that > have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or > victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the > temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get > access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that > you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of > heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. > > What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your > area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. > Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their > tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent > enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, > if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. > > I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for > Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and > should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or > more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. > Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. > http://www.loaches. com/species- index/clown- loach-chromoboti a- macracanthus > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i > started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM > > > > > > > I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so > check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a > second thread. > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2599 > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2600 > > The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of > Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature > except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a > longer period of time. > > What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, > that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the > loaches. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my > 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the > fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. > > I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have > scales like other fish.. > > What do u guys recommend? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35782	From: Nedra	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: I've got hydra! Rather curious

I've got hydra in a heavily planted 10 gal breeding tank. Very interesting -- the hydra showed up when I started feeding live baby brine and micro-worms to the free swimming fry. I think they were probably around all the time -- but not in large enough numbers that I could notice them. I was raising Apistogramma Cacatuoides and everything was okay until I removed the parents to another tank and left the free-swimming babies unprotected. (About the size of new born guppies) They disappeared one by one -- I actually saw one spinning in agony before it died. I think it had been stung by a hydra tentacle, but am not sure. The interesting thing is I have a pair of Cacatuoides that spawned in the 55 gal show tank a couple of weeks ago-- as soon as I started dropping newly hatched baby brine into the corner the mother had selected to raise her babies, the hydra appeared in this tank too -- attached to the glass in the area where the babies are. The babies are getting quite large - have been free-swimming for about 10 days and none have been lost as far as I can tell, even though they are in very close proximity to the hydra colony all day long. This tank too is heavily planted and also has a large piece of driftwood and large rocks. Driftwood was boiled before adding, so I'm assuming the hydra came in on the plants originally -- there are other micro- organisms darting around too, but I'm not sure what they are -- maybe cyclops... about the size of newly hatched brine but very quick - not the jerking motion of shrimp and daphnia. Water parameters are pristine and I change 50% a week. The 50 gal uses tap water but the 10 gal was (and still is) RO. I read all your posts on hydra and don't want to use copper or formaldhyde - but am considering using straight tap water in the 10 gal to see if the chlorine and floride would kill the hydra (no fish in this tank right now). One of the posts hinted that chlorine might work and I'm assuming it won't hurt the plants at tap water levels. What do you think???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35783	From: Bee Herd	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Hi, Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the Synodontis angelicus,except that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish has stripes. Does anyone know if these fish can have stripes instead? Becki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35784	From: morton57	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Pleco

Lenny: Thanks for your detailed response. Some answers and comments from me: Thanks for the link. i will try some of the vegetables mentioned. i may bring in an algae infested log from the outside pond to see if he can find something in there to munch on. He is probably used to that as well. Turtle Semantic response: I use the term "aquatic turtles" to include semi aquatic or amphibious turtles as well. So a red ear slider is an aquatic as are diamondbacks, spotted and snapping turtles etc. A three toed box turtle would not be considered aquatic. Salt water turtles are usually referred to as sea turtles but all of these are not scientific classifications anyway. I think this is the conventional vernacular but I could be mistaken. My turtles have basking areas and access to land. They have historically not paid much attention to the plecos. Probably if they were not fed for several months or if the pleco became wounded in some way that would change. I have been through the temperature drop drill for a few years and they seem to tolerate the ranges I have described. I leave them out so long because they are in more cramped quarters indoors and i am trying to minimize that. I have read anecdotally of some people over wintering them to 32F and they have survived but that seems like a test I am not going to try. I do let their temperature adjust back up to indoor temperature usually over a 24 hour period before they are put into their indoor habitat. Probably stressfull but difficult to make it take longer. I believe that my sick guy got ill indoors though I did not carefully inspect him at the time. He moved into a 100gallon tank with an undergravel filter that also included the other small pleco and two turtles that are overwintering indoors. Its not the best of all worlds but I can not set up too many more tanks or i will be evicted by my girlfriend. I will have to reserach the gram neg and positive issue. Clearly using the wrong antibiotic is a bad strategy. If there was such a thing as a knowledgeable fish vet in the area we could culture the wound and then have a better treatment plan. I can handle it and could produce a swab. I will try the link you suggest for a vet and see if that is an option. He is isolated in the tank he is in now from the others by a screen but I am treating the entire tank with the other individuals in it. I suspect that the ammonia level rose to modest levels at one point because the most recent turtle introduced is a messy eater. That may have caused him to acquire the infection. When I discovered that I removed everyone and did a thorough rinsing (not with chlorinated water so that the biological filtration capacitywould remain intact) of about half the tank. Since then the water has regularly tested clear for ammonia and it seems to be good. I have always performed frequent partial water changes. I agree that keeping the water environment in excellent condition, although time consuming, is a much better strategy than curing sick fish. In this case, i thought everything was good and got gaught napping. If I find out anything new I'll post with an update. Ed --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Common plecos (the mostly bigs ones that you seem to have) LOVE driftwood > and actually gnaw on it as part of their diet. Here's a long article and > forum thread on feeding plecos so you may have something laying around in > your fridge that will get him eating again. > http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11018 > > What kind of "aquatic" turtles are you keeping? I thought most of the FW > turtles needed to be out of the water often also. I know there are truly > aquatic frogs that do not need land like ADF's and ACF's (and others).. or > is the term aquatic just the common term for turtles like RES, soft-shell, > etc? I did a Google on - aquatic turtles - and a link to an article about > RES came up so maybe that is a common term for them but they also use the > term semi-aquatic. I'm also worried that a hungry turtle might naturally > realize they like sushi also.. and while plecos are armored to a degree, I'm > not sure how well they'll fare with a hungry turtle stalking them... as this > would be a stressor that would lower a fishes immune system. > > I don't think you should be leaving the pleco's in the pond for as long > either.. or rather for when it gets as cool. Down into the 50's is REALLY > way too cold for these fish that are mostly tropical temperature fish... > although many do well in the low 70's water temperature as well but down > into the 60's and 50's is way below their norm. > > Two of the most common, common plecos are... > > Hypostomus punctatus > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=87 > > and Pterygoplichthys pardalis (aka Liposarcus pardalis) > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=88 > > You'll see the Habitat Information on these two profiles show a temperature > range of around 70F to 80F as their preferred range (although each species > is slightly different on the high and low temp). > > This search results page shows only two species that can tolerate a > temperature range of 50F to 80F and can actually tolerated down into the > 40's. If the link breaks, go to this page > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/search.php and put in the min and max > temps of 50 and 80F and you'll reproduce my search. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/search_result.php?family_id=%2Fcate\ log% > 2Fsearch.php%3Ftask%3D%26family_id%3D0&genus_id=%2Fcatelog%2Fsearch.php%\ 3Fta > sk%3D%26genus_id%3D0&distr_id=%2Fcatelog%2Fsearch.php%3Ftask%3D%26distr_\ id%3 > D0&size_min=&size_max=&sizeunit=mm&temp_min=50&temp_max=80&tempunit=deg_\ f&mi > n_ph=Unset&max_ph=Unset&order=id&results=50 > > When you moved the fish, did you acclimate them back up to room temp or > heated tank temps? It's not good to move them from drastically changing > water temps as this can produce shock and stress issues which would further > reduce their immune systems ability to fight disease. Was the fish sick in > the pond or did this only happen after moving them indoors? > > As far as treatment, my understanding is that Tetracycline is mostly for > gram positive bacteria and the most common infections in fish are gram > negative... although reading about Maracyn TC, it says it treats gram > negative also. Where did you get info that prescribed Tetracycline? You > might want to try a different antibiotic or a broad spectrum antibiotic > since you seem to have multiple issues going on. Maracyn 2 or API's EM > > Do you have the sick pleco in a quarantine tank or in with the others? > > The swollen belly could be from constipation or bloating caused by them > eating when their body temps got too low. For goldfish and Koi, we stop > feeding them altogether for the entire winter season, when the water temps > get down to the low 50's as even these cool/cold water fish do not digest > food at low body temps and the food would just sit inside them and start to > rot. I'm not sure how Pleco's do when their body temps drop to such low > temps as I've never kept them in a pond before. Presuming they are now in > warmer waters, try feeding them something with roughage in it, green pea > "meat" (squeeze the peas and discard the peel), zucchini slice, sweet potato > slice, etc... see list in the article above and see how his poop is coming > out. Visual poop diagnosis is something that can give us information about > a sick fish as well. White stringy poop would let us know more information > about the likelihood of internal parasitic issues. No poop.. constipation > or diarrhea, etc., etc. > > There are some good medicated foods out there but since you say the fish > isn't eating, I'm not sure any of them would be helpful. Are you able to > handle this fish so you could do topical treatment of the ulcer? > > A UGF or any other kind of filter will NOT filter out meds unless carbon or > other chemical filtration media is added to the system. > > As far as a fish vet in Dallas, TX... read the top section of my Disease > page on my blog which has a few ways to find a fish vet with > http://www.aquavetmed.info/ being my first choice... > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatmen\ t.ht > ml > > Hopefully one of the members more experience in treating sick fish will > reply soon. I tend to work hard and try to help folks keep them from > getting sick in the first place. > > I think I covered all of your questions.. and then some. Feel free to ask > more. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of morton57 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Sick Pleco > > > Hi, > > I'm a new member. I mostly keep aquatic turtles but I have 4 plecostamus > fish as well. They are kept outside during the warmer months but I bring the > plecos indoors when the water temperatures drop below 50F. 2 of them are > about 15" long and two are about 10" long. They have been indoors about 6 > weeks now. > > I noticed a red round ulceration on the underside of one of the plecos about > the size of a quarter and the pleco's belly was swollen as well. I isolated > it and treated with tetracycline for about 5 days and stopped per the > instructions on the medication. The ulceration seemed darker in color as if > healing and the swelling seemed to have gone down . I added salt to the tank > to aid the recovery. > > Its now about 5 days after the medication stopped and he has become bloated > again. Additionally, the fish has not been eating since I noticed and began > treating the ulcer. So it has been many days since I have seen him take > food. I have begun a second course of tetracycline. > > > > Here are my questions: > > 1) has anyone treated a sore of the above description? > > 2) without actually culturing the infected area which is impractical and > probably too late at this point, does treating with tetracycline a second > time seem like a good idea? ( If the swelling does go down again i plan to > continue the tetracycline for a longer period. Ten days probably. ) > > 3) When they live out doors they are eating alage and the stuff the turtles > do not eat. Indoors I have fed them algae wafers and turtle food (because I > have seen them eat that outdoors). Is there an irresistible food for them > that I can use to try and get this sick fish to start eating? > > 4) Will an under gravel filter using small river rock filter out the > medication the way carbon does? > > 5) Does anyone know of a fish vet in Dallas, TX? > > Thanks. > > Ed >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35785	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Well I've been waiting over a month myself, so who knows how long it's going to take for the ecology in the tank to sort itself back out straight. I guess I'll just keep cleaning the glass. Should I worry about any of the brown algae growing on any of my slow growing plants or will it eventually sort itself out too? I must admit with my first tank I had I don't think I cycled the tank at all before putting fish in it (this was years ago now), and I kept 2 oscars and a dwarf pleco in the 55 gallon tank (that I still have), along with using the same magnum 350 filter that I still have (not the same carbon though, thank goodness, LOL). I even have the same gravel, which is now in the 125 gallon tank, LOL. Waste not, want not ;) I knew that eventually I'd get more fish to put in it, or my mom would. I ended up getting rid of the oscars because they required way too much maintenance in the 55 gallon tank and they were still under 4 inches long at the time. I'll let you know when my tank starts clearing back up so you may have some sort of time frame to go by for your tank :) Amber bill1433 wrote: > Sounds as though you did the same thing with the 55 going to a 125 as I did with the 5 to a 29. Lenny mentioned about the tremendous change of volume in considering bacteria. All of my test are fine for my water parameters so I guess I'll (we will) just have to wait it out! Just only going in the 3rd week here so I suppose its going to be a while. As I mentioned before though, I never had this problem with tanks running under-gravel filters. > > I would set up a tank, check temperature, run diatom with super char, and within 72 hours fish, a few each week but again, in bigger tanks 55's and 100's and using power filters that were turning the tanks about 7 times per hour plus under-gravels, that's a lot of water moving. In those days I used standard shop lights, the 4 foot type with regular daylight tubes on all-glass covers, never had a problem. > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:47 AM > > If it makes you feel better Bill I'm dealing with the same brown algae > in my 125 gallon tank, there is very little green algae so far, I'm > hoping everything will even out soon. I have to clean the front glass > every other day or I start to have trouble seeing my fish ;) LOL. I have > a nice colony of green algae growing in my betta tank though :) Even > though I took everything out of the 55 and put it into the 125 gallon > things just haven't evened out yet. But thankfully the tank reads as > cycled, I haven't done a test this week but last week ammonia and > nitrites were 0 and the nitrates were still fairly low, but in that > volume of water it doesn't surprise me that it's hard to get a reading > on anything. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > >> Thanks Amber, >> >> Your response is more along the lines of what I was talking about. >> >> Although this is my first aquarium in 30-years WITHOUT an under-gravel >> > filter, > >> we have not gotten to live plants. To me, it’s just another thing in >> > the tank to worry about keeping alive. Truth be told, I have seen many pictures > of planted tanks in the photo section on our group site and must confess, they > are beautiful. > >> But around here just finding fish is a real problem and plants? I >> > haven’t seen any yet > >> >> Currently the tank receives a small water change (3-gallon) and a glass >> > cleaning each day to keep up with the brown algae and after reading many > responses, I have taken to giving the fish a more natural daylight time of 12 > hours on and 12 hours off. I am still waiting to see how long until the brown > stops and the green starts BUT Lenny from here might be right on this point.. > >> >> Although this tank was setup from a torn down 5-gallon, fish gravel and >> > all, the figure he gave for tank against tank may be accurate in that the > bacteria transposed will support the fish but not enough good bacteria to give > the crystal-clear look that we all love. Obviously it’s the old story, if the > tank is not clear, then something is still cycling or going on and patience must > prevail! > >> >> Bill >> >> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >> >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:32 PM >> >> Okay your 29 gallon is how tall? LOL. >> I'm thinking that 17 watts isn't enough if you have plants. If you >> don't >> have any live plants then it's not really going to matter what color >> bulb or how many watts, just what you want will suffice basically. I >> would get a 2nd bulb if possible or a 2 bulb fixture if you don't want >> > 2 > >> light fixtures on top of the tank ;). I've gotten to the point where I >> > > >> really like the CFL bulbs that came with my 125 gallon tank, but the >> plant spectrum that is suggested for plants (I think it's 5000-7000K >> > if > >> I'm correct) is a more yellowish color and I prefer the whiter/blue >> lighting of 10000k daylight bulbs, but it's not as good for plants. >> Basically it comes down to whether you want plants or not ;) >> >> Amber >> >> bill1433 wrote: >> >> >>> No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said >>> > anything > >>> >>> >> about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? >> > Too > >> weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about >> > it? > >> Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup >> > without > >> under-gravel filters---------------food for thought. The other time (30 >> > years > >> ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. >> >> >>> >>> Bill (I wonder about a lot!) >>> >>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >>> > <GoldLenny@...> > >>> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >>> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have >>> > eyelids > >>> >>> >> so they sleep >> >> >>> with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a >>> normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights >>> >>> >> sleep >> >> >>> might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a >>> serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I >>> >>> >> could be >> >> >>> wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" >>> > where > >>> >>> >> they are >> >> >>> almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give >>> > them > >>> >>> >> each >> >> >>> day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes >>> > on > >>> >>> >> in the >> >> >>> morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in >>> > total > >>> darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of >>> > time, > >>> then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. >>> >>> The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal >>> > fish.... > >>> or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've >>> >>> >> seen >> >> >>> this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal >>> > fish > >>> >>> >> like >> >> >>> a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up >>> >>> >> when >> >> >>> he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little >>> stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly >>> > while > >>> >>> >> we >> >> >>> were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to >>> >>> >> having >> >> >>> things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night >>> > than > >>> they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. >>> >>> Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) >>> >>> Lenny Vasbinder >>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >>> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >>> > right > >>> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >>> > Month) > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >>> > com] > >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of bill1433 >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> >>> Hi Len, >>> >>> "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >>> > com> > >>> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >>> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM >>> >>> Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in >>> >>> >> many >> >> >>> newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of >>> > the > >>> tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is >>> > utilizing > >>> the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles >>> >>> >> below >> >> >>> in order of shortness (easiest to read). >>> >>> http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown >>> >>> http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html >>> >>> http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml >>> >>> I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for >>> > four > >>> >>> >> week >> >> >>> before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and >>> > the > >>> plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a >>> stressor to the fish. >>> >>> Lenny Vasbinder >>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles >>> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >>> >>> >> under >> >> >>> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >>> >>> >> com] >> >> >>> On Behalf Of bill1433 >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM >>> To: AquaticLife >>> Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae >>> >>> Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my >>> >>> >> diatom >> >> >>> filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and >>> > the > >>> appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. >>> >>> My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the >>> >>> >> contents >> >> >>> of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I >>> >>> >> guess, >> >> >>> but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for >>> > about 4 > >>> weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps >>> > the > >>> tank settle down faster. >>> >>> After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light >>> > off > >>> >>> >> over >> >> >>> night. >>> What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful >>> crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order >>> > to > >>> seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight >>> > water > >>> change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. >>> > All > >>> parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. >>> >>> I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light >>> enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not >>> > a > >>> favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color >>> > for > >>> my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions >>> > on > >>> this point as well. >>> >>> Your thoughts folks? >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >>> > You.. > >>> >>> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > >> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> >> >>> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >>> > important to > >>> >>> >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> > SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> >> >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > >> , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> >> >>> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35786	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: considering a hillstream loach (

Yes I've noticed that having it above the baseboard heaters (which are nearly everywhere in my condo, so finding a good spot for a fish tank not around the baseboard is hard for me to do), my fish tanks do run a bit warmer than room temps, and I almost don't even need a heater in the 55 gallon at all. I had one in there just in case the temps drop at night though. I keep the thermostat set around 75 all the time though, so my house tends to stay near 80 degrees most of the time (yes I like a warm house, I have parrots and they need a warmer house too, I've gotten used to it through the years). I may have trouble keeping the 55 gallon tank at a cooler temp, I will have to get it running and see what it sits at without a heater in it at all. The loaches prefer temps lower than 77 though (that's the max temp), I believe the range suggested was 68-77 degrees, but I could be off a little bit as it's a guess from memory. Since I have tropical fish obviously I have to keep it warm enough for them and cool enough for the loaches, so I will probably try to keep it between 75-77 if possible. May have to move the tank from over the baseboard heater though, we shall see ;) At least it's just the 55 gallon that I have to worry about, I'm okay with the 125 gallon sitting near 80 degrees as it's all tropical fish in there as well, and they all seem quite happy with it that warm ;) Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > CLEANER - (reply to self to finish the message... > > Also having the tank by the heat outlet could be a problem, I would > keep an > eye on the temp for a while to be sure it is the location that you really > want... > > On 1/15/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@... > <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Yes, just PVC pipe, you could glue the joints, or just put them > togeather > > without, who cares it it leaks a tiny bit? This set up was just to get > > water moving on the bottom and use the sponge on the head to filter > out the > > big stuff. The bottom movement made the gravel stay > > > > On 1/13/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > >> > >> So was the pvc pipe just used to funnel the water to another exit point > >> > >> then? or was there holes punched in it to have water flow through the > >> gravel? PVC might work better than using a piece of rubber tubing to > >> direct the flow, as it's hard and could be weighted down with a rock, > >> but then again so could tubing *ponder*. I could glue the tubing to > >> rocks! LOL. Obviously the flow of the powerhead is more than sufficient > >> to push the water flow that I need, perhaps I could split the flow into > >> 2 different hoses so that it was pushing more like 350 gph through each > >> exit rather than 700 gph through one exit, and then set up just one > >> canister filter for water cleaning purposes. In this case I could just > >> use the eheim and get new tubing (the eheim had tubing too small on it > >> and when we pulled it off one of the pieces broke, that's why I had to > >> wait for a new part before I could use the filter). A UV filter is > >> actually recommended for hillstream loaches to help kill ich since they > >> are susceptible to ich, and the eheim has the UV filter attached to > it ;) > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Harl Myers wrote: > >> > > >> > I read an article, but I can not remember the URL... > >> > > >> > This hobbyist used a powerhead connected to a PVC pipe. He laid > the pipe > >> > down under the gravel and used 45 and 90 degree elbows to make > the thing > >> > more stable on the floor of the tank. Then on the other end, or > in the > >> > middle of the tank if he was going to use more than one powerhead, > >> > brings a > >> > fitting up above the substrate and heats it up and with pliers or > >> channel > >> > locks flattens out the exit point. Puts a sponge on the power > head and > >> > cleans it when needed. Claims that the gravel needs vacuumed much > less > >> > this > >> > way. Hide the head and exits behind decorations. Just a thought... > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >> > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto: > >> GoldLenny%40gmail.com <GoldLenny%2540gmail.com>> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Well, it depends on how much more circulation you want... > especially > >> > > considering your follow-up post where you learned your powerhead is > >> > rated > >> > > at > >> > > 700gph. Now you are talking nearly 20X filtration (THAT'S A LOT > FOR FW > >> > > FISH) which will be MORE than enough for the hillstream loaches and > >> very > >> > > well may be too much for any other fish since the powerhead > will not > >> be > >> > > sucking in the water at the other end.. unless you run a tube > from the > >> > > powerhead's intake and have it sucking from the other end of the > >> > tank like > >> > > you will have the canister filter system doing so you still get the > >> fast > >> > > flow across the bottom of the tank with not as much total > circulation > >> > > through the upper levels. All of this is theory and hypothetical > >> > since I've > >> > > never actually done this before but from seeing how my own > >> over-filtered > >> > > goldfish tank water flow works and from reading the many > articles and > >> > > systems from others, I'm hoping that you will see enough movement > >> > with just > >> > > the canister as I'm worried that BIG powerhead will cause too much > >> > movement > >> > > in your tank.. unless you do the modified intake tube on the > >> > powerhead and > >> > > it works right. You're talking 1,050gph on a 55G tank which is > >> > nearly 20X > >> > > where the typical tropical tank has 2X to 5X and for bigger > fish, 10X > >> of > >> > > filtration/circulation. > >> > > > >> > > I guess you should set up everything in an empty tank and drop some > >> > flake > >> > > food or do the drops of food coloring to see how the water moves > >> > around and > >> > > then either drop the powerhead or keep it but bear in mind that > once > >> you > >> > > start adding obstacles (bigger rocks, plants, etc.), they will > >> > redirect the > >> > > water movement (much like the rapids caused by rocky sections in a > >> > stream > >> > > where the water flows much faster through the restricted openings > >> > between > >> > > the rocks. > >> > > > >> > > With this kind of water flow, sand would either not have to be > >> > cleaned at > >> > > all or will be a major problem with getting stirred up and sucked > >> > into your > >> > > filters causing loss of sand and potential filter problems. > >> > > > >> > > Pea gravel and some bigger flat smooth stones would probably be > most > >> > > natural > >> > > for the majority of the bottom with occasional larger rocks, potted > >> > plants, > >> > > etc. for other areas. > >> > > > >> > > As far as a molded bottom, see the below Chuck's Paludarium pages > >> > for how > >> > > he > >> > > made the background out of foam board and you could utilize this > >> > same type > >> > > of DIY work to make an artificial, yet natural looking bottom. To > >> > make all > >> > > the dips and holes and cracks and crevices, etc., use hobbyist's > >> > knife set > >> > > and a torch and a mini-torch for melting/smoothing the edges. > >> > Applying just > >> > > a little heat to foam will cause it to shrink/crater in the area > >> > where the > >> > > heat is applied. Do this outside and don't catch the foam on > fire. LOL > >> > > It's going to come down to your artistic abilities. Take lots of > >> > pictures > >> > > so you can set up your own web page when you are done! ;-) You > might > >> > even > >> > > find yourself creating the bottom and background during this > project > >> > and if > >> > > you add a shelf like in the Paludarium, you could then have some > >> smaller > >> > > plants that would be up higher out of the faster water flow so they > >> > would > >> > > also get more lighting and the fish would be able to hang out > in these > >> > > plants to get out of the faster water flow... if it does get to > fast > >> for > >> > > them in the upper levels. > >> > > > >> > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm> > >> > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g.htm>> and > >> > > > >> > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > >> > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > >> > > > >> > > And some other Paludarium DIY projects for more DIY ideas... > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > >> > < > >> > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > <http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28> > >> > > >> > > / > >> > > > >> > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html> > >> > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html>> > >> > > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> < > >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >> right > >> > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > >> > Month) > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > [mailto: > >> > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto: > >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:05 PM > >> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > considering > >> a > >> > > hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > >> > > > >> > > So coming to another question I guess, LOL. should I also set up a > >> > filter > >> > > to > >> > > flow through the top of the tank so that there is current there or > >> > would it > >> > > be better to just keep the flow at the bottom of the tank only? > >> > > I suppose if there is a lot of flow on the bottom of the tank > then I > >> > don't > >> > > have to worry so much about any of the leftover food and detritus > >> > falling > >> > > into the substrate so much. I definitely want to make this tank not > >> > hard to > >> > > clean the substrate, as these loaches are sensitive to their water > >> > quality > >> > > and I want to make sure I can clean the sand/gravel well > enough, I'm > >> > > thinking I will stick to a smaller gravel rather than sand as it is > >> > easier > >> > > to siphon clean. > >> > > Pics of them in the wild seem to have no sand at all, but I > wonder how > >> I > >> > > could make a tank with no substrate without it being dirty all the > >> > time on > >> > > the bottom, I suppose with enough current it wouldn't matter... > >> > > everything would get pushed to one end. I wonder if I could do > >> something > >> > > creative? Anyone have any suggestions that wouldn't be perminant to > >> the > >> > > tank > >> > > (such as concrete, LOL my first thought for a bottom that you could > >> mold > >> > > and > >> > > let dry hard). I'd like it to create a fairly smooth surface so it > >> > doesn't > >> > > injure any fish somehow. > >> > > Okay Lenny what are your thoughts on forming a solid bottom for my > >> tank > >> > > like > >> > > they mostly seem to have in the wild? I could make it half gravel > >> > too, it > >> > > wouldn't have to be the whole bottom of the fish tank. I have 4 > feet > >> to > >> > > work > >> > > with though, since it's a 55 gallon tank. I eventually have to > >> > either give > >> > > this tank back to my mom or get her a new one when she comes > back home > >> > > (that's an unknown date until grandpa passes on, and hopefully he > >> lasts > >> > > awhile more, both for his sake and the fish tank's sake, LOL). > I told > >> my > >> > > mom > >> > > she may have to wait if it ends up being in the near future > when she > >> > wants > >> > > it back, since I had to rescue the tank before it got taken to the > >> > garbage > >> > > dump (errr sorry, land fill, LOL). > >> > > > >> > > Amber > >> > > > >> > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > It depends on how you have it set up. For example, on my Filstar > >> xp3, > >> > > > I have the returning water coming out the spray bar on one end of > >> the > >> > > > tank so there are eight 1/8" (maybe) holes that are shooting > out the > >> > > > water. I have the spray bar at the top of the waterline > spraying out > >> > > > straight across to the other end of the tank, since my goldfish > >> spend > >> > > > much of their time nearer to the bottom of the tank constantly > >> > > > foraging for food.. although they will also come up to the > surface > >> > > > when begging but if the get too close to the returning water, > they > >> > > > will get pushed around a little. I can see detritus get caught in > >> that > >> > > > stream and move 1/2 way across the top of the tank in a couple of > >> > > > seconds before slowing down, slowly sinking to the bottom on the > >> other > >> > > > end and then much more slowly returning back towards the intake, > >> which > >> > > > is under the spray bar near the bottom. There is a much > milder flow > >> at > >> > > > the bottom than compared to the top areas of this tank. > >> > > > > >> > > > Anyhow.. if you had that same volume of water shooting out of > one or > >> > > > two small diameter sprayers, instead of eight holes like on > mine, it > >> > > > would create a very fast stream of water across the bottom in > those > >> > > > two areas and then the water would get sucked up on the other > end, > >> > > > only to repeat the process. The rest of the tank would also > get some > >> > > > circulation but not nearly as much as the bottom between the two > >> > > > sprayers and the one or two intakes. You would want the intake in > >> the > >> > > > bottom-middle on one end and the two sprayers on the > >> > > > bottom-each-side.. so all that said, you may just need that one > >> > > > canister is plumbed correctly. I'm guessing the Magnum 350 moves > >> > > > around 350gph which is already around 6X on a 55G tank but since > >> > > > you'll have the majority of the water flow on the bottom > portion of > >> > > > the tank, it will be a pretty good flow. > >> > > > > >> > > > If that isn't enough, then you can always just add the powerhead > >> down > >> > > > at the bottom also, to increase the bottom flow of water and that > >> > > > would also create a little more movement at the top since the > water > >> > > > shooting out the powerhead would re-cycle across the top of > the tank > >> > > > and return to the powerhead intake. > >> > > > > >> > > > Can you find a brand name or any numbers on your powerhead? > Doing a > >> > > > Google of the numbers will likely lead you to a site that > sells them > >> > > > and then maybe you can download a user's manual in a PDF > file... and > >> > > > then show us what you have for more suggestions. > >> > > > > >> > > > To hide all the plumbing on the one end, you could use potted > plants > >> > > > or just plants in the substrate with the jets of water > squirting out > >> > > > between the plants. > >> > > > > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>< > >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > >> (Links > >> > > to any articles referenced in > >> > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > >> Labels > >> > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > >> > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:18 PM > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto: > >> > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > >> considering > >> > > > a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > >> > > > > >> > > > Now back to one of my initial questions, how many canister > >> > > > filters/powerheads will be enough to give a good current for the > >> > > > hillstream loaches? I have no problem buying a 2nd magnum 350, as > >> they > >> > > > are fairly cheap for canister filters. I was eyeing the > filstar xp's > >> > > > though, but the magnum gives the same flow rate as an xp 3 (I > think, > >> > > > maybe it was the 4), and it's much cheaper. But the filstar's > look a > >> > > > bit more user friendly for canister maintenance. The > powerhead that > >> I > >> > > > have has no info on it that I can see, so I have no idea how > fast it > >> > > > is, but it's big, if that helps, LOL. It's much bigger than the > >> > > > powerhead I have pushing my fluidized bed filter, so I am > sure it's > >> > > > fairly powerful. The base of it is easily 5 inches wide or more. > >> > > > Unfortunately it didn't come with anything to hook it to the > side of > >> > > > the tank, so I guess I will have to figure something out if I'm > >> going > >> > > > to use it. > >> > > > Perhaps I could glue it to a rock and then glue some other > rocks to > >> > > > the side to hide it and then stick it on one side of the tank > near > >> the > >> > > > outtake's on the filters. > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber > >> > > > > >> > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Well, if the intake is raised too much off the bottom, then the > >> > > > > faster flowing stream will move up at a slight angle from > one end > >> to > >> > > the > >> > > other. > >> > > > > You can't "see" this unless you use a drop of food coloring > >> released > >> > > > > into the return water flow (or outflow) from your filter, > or just > >> > > > > stir up a little detritus/silt and watch how it moves around in > >> your > >> > > > > tank, but there is almost always a specific water flow > through a > >> > > > > tank with a lot of filtration. Each obstacle or change (rock, > >> plant, > >> > > > > moving the intake or return, etc.) will change this flow > pattern. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If you have the fastest flow running as close to the bottom as > >> > > > > possible from the returning water (outflow) on one end near the > >> > > > > bottom going across the tank to the intake on the other end > near > >> the > >> > > > > bottom, this will create a quick flow of water across the > bottom > >> > > > > with much less water circulation in the mid to upper levels > of the > >> > > > > tank so your other fish will find areas that they like... much > >> like > >> > > > > in a fast flowing stream, many fish will find pool areas off to > >> the > >> > > > > sides where they hang out all the time when they don't want to > >> deal > >> > > > > with the faster flowing waters. Also, these pools are often > areas > >> > > > > where food items being washed down the stream will sweep > around a > >> > > > > rock or tree and settle down into the pool area so it's a > >> > feeding zone > >> > > as well. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>< > >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > >> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> < > >> > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>>> > >> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > >> > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > >> > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > >> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > > > > > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > >> > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 AM > >> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > >> > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Well hopefully I can find some attachments for my magnum > that will > >> > > > > allow me to extend the intake/outtakes down to the bottom > of the > >> > tank. > >> > > > > Currently the outtake sits about halfway down into my 55 > gallon, > >> and > >> > > > > I don't have any spare parts to lower it, so I will have to > look > >> > > > > into that. It's really the outtakes that need lowered > though, as I > >> > > > > don't think the intake part will matter much if it's in the > middle > >> > > > > on one end, rather than the bottom, as either way it'll > pull the > >> > > > > current to the other end of the tank. > >> > > > > I'm mostly just hoping that I have fish that won't mind extra > >> > > > > current in the tank, I'm sure the danio's wouldn't mind, but as > >> far > >> > > > > as the rest of my community fish I'm not sure. That's why I was > >> > > > > asking around to see if anyone has kept the hillstream loaches > >> with > >> > > > > any other kinds of fish, to see how the fish did (the non-loach > >> > fish, > >> > > hehe). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Amber > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Yep.. no way to make the bridge work if the tanks aren't > on the > >> > > > > > same or very similar water level. You could put both tanks > >> > > > > > downstairs and then run a water bridge from one tank, all the > >> way > >> > > > > > upstairs, through a couple of rooms and then back down the > >> stairs > >> > > into > >> > > the second tank. > >> > > > > > LOL > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Since the hillstreams are mostly bottom dwellers, see about > >> having > >> > > > > > your intakes and return outlets from your canister filter > >> plumbed > >> > > > > > deeper into the tank, almost to the bottom, so the water > >> actually > >> > > > > > flows more across the bottom of the tank. I have one of my > >> > > > > > canisters with the intake really deep, almost to the > bottom and > >> > > > > > the spray bar directly above it on one side of the tank and I > >> can > >> > > > > > clearly see the water flow across the top of the tank to the > >> other > >> > > > > > end, then down that side and back across the bottom back > to the > >> > > > > > intake underneath the spray bar, so I have two distinct flow > >> > > > > > streams running through that tank and the fish seem to > like both > >> > > > > > of them and even get lazy by floating up a little to take > >> > > > > > advantage of the flow to one end of the tank and then > floating > >> > down > >> > > to > >> > > go with the flow to the other end. > >> > > > > > These ain't dumb fish! No use trying to paddle upstream > when you > >> > > > > > don't have to. ;-) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > With your proposed set up, you'll have a little faster water > >> flow > >> > > > > > only going from one end to the other at the bottom with > less of > >> a > >> > > > > > water flow at the upper levels. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com><http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>< > >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> < > >> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com 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<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Q; Bristle nose plecos and NEW: > >> > > > > > considering a hillstream loach (or a few of 'em hehe). > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The 125 gallon has the walstad setup, the 55 gallon currently > >> does > >> > > > > > not have substrate, I was planning on using eco complete, > but I > >> > > > > > have yet to get anything so I could just go with plain > >> sand/gravel > >> > > too. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >From what I've read the loaches prefer sand substrate, > so the > >> eco > >> > > > > > complete > >> > > > > > would work just fine for them, and I could get hardier plants > >> like > >> > > > > > the anubias that you can glue to stuff so I don't have to > worry > >> > > > > > about the few plants in the tank actually blowing away ;) > I have > >> > > > > > an anubias in my 125 gallon, so I know what to look for > at the > >> LFS > >> > > > > > for getting another one of them. I considered setting up > the 125 > >> > > > > > gallon for the fast flowing tank but I thought about the same > >> > > > > > thing you did, didn't want to stir up any substrate too much, > >> but > >> > > > > > it might be okay if I put some large river rocks in it to > break > >> up > >> > > > > > the flow a bit, like the rocks suggested for the hillstream > >> > loaches > >> > > anyways ;). > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I suppose if I put most of the flow in the middle lower > area, my > >> > > > > > danio's and such would do okay at the upper part of the > tank, I > >> > > > > > suppose this will just take some fiddling with to find the > >> proper > >> > > > > > flow. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I was going to set up the intakes at one end of the tank > and the > >> > > > > > outakes at the other, to create a stream like flow > through the > >> > tank. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > These loaches might be a perfect candidate for making a > bridge > >> to > >> > > > > > another tank as well, as long as there was a good flow > between > >> the > >> > > > > > two tanks. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35787	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Len, � "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? � I missed this one.� Guide about the tubes? � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.� Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.� This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?� NOT� Mail order?� Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?� What about the lighting tube itself?� Too weak?� Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??� Just wondering about it?� Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.� The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. � Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35788	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Anglefish

I would take the rocks out for one if you want the pH to lower. Messing with your pH can be dangerous and easily kill fish if it fluctuates too fast. How long has your tank been running? My angelfish have been very hardy, I've only lost one at the very beginning and it was due to my own negligence in cleaning my filter on a regular basis and they caught fin and tail rot and one didn't make it through it. How often do you clean your filter and how do you clean it? Do you check your ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates on a regular basis? Do the angelfish have any markings or fungus on them when they die? Or do they look normal, just dead? Also your tank looks a bit full to me, but I'm not an expert, it's possible that overstocking the tank somehow stressed the angelfish and they died from poor health issues (such as too much ammonia in the water). Amber abandab19023 wrote: > > Hi guys. I'm new to the group and have a question. We have had a > problem with angle fish. The keep dieing after a couple of days. They > are in a 30 tank with different types of pollies,and 2 gold guarmis. > Water temp in 78f and the ph is constant at 7.4. I am trying to get > this down naturally as there are 2 rocks in the tank that raised the > ph. I am adding some driftwood to it to help drop it to 7ish. Any > suggestions are appreciated. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35789	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

They have a light guide I believe, on how many watts per gallon, I think I read it at some point and thought I had it in my links but I didn't find it while searching. I'm assuming this is what Lenny was talking about, but I dont' read minds ;) My husband seems to think I can though ;) LOL Amber bill1433 wrote: > Len, > > "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? > > I missed this one. Guide about the tubes? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM > > > > > > > Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. > Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so > you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can > always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually > needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while > you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. > > I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart > SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., > for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I > like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with > them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) > > I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you > check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I > really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at > TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various > manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the > "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a > 20W tube from another. > > I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't > found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" > on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 > lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes > CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's > not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. > http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was > actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only > 17. Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light. This > means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it > around here? NOT Mail order? Out of the question not with the UPS service > we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM > > I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have > time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" > tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed > on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? > > I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of > the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from > DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ > display.cfm? pcatid=3814 > > There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what > you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these > bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many > lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there > somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty > much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, > Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens > (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a > fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. > > Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything > about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about > it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup > without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other > time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the > trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this > happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a > pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he > bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful > to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were > trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35790	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Ahah, I did have it. http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html Amber bill1433 wrote: > Len, > > "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? > > I missed this one. Guide about the tubes? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM > > > > > > > Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. > Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so > you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can > always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually > needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while > you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. > > I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart > SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., > for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I > like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with > them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) > > I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you > check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I > really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at > TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various > manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the > "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a > 20W tube from another. > > I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't > found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" > on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 > lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes > CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's > not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. > http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was > actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only > 17. Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light. This > means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it > around here? NOT Mail order? Out of the question not with the UPS service > we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM > > I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have > time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" > tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed > on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? > > I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of > the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from > DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ > display.cfm? pcatid=3814 > > There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what > you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these > bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many > lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there > somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty > much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, > Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens > (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a > fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. > > Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything > about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about > it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup > without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other > time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the > trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this > happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a > pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he > bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful > to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were > trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35791	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Oops.. forgot to put TheKrib's guide link in my reply... http://www.thekrib.com/Lights/fluorescent-table.html I hope that doesn't cause me to lose my "king of links" throne. LOL The title on the page says "Compact Fluorescent..." but it should have said CFL's and Tubes since it's all about all of them. Remember it's from 1994-1997 so there have been some dramatic improvements made. I just can't find a similarly done chart that is more updated.... and I don't know enough about lighting to take on the task myself... but if anyone else wants to do it, I'll be happy to host the chart on my blog or they can just set up their own site. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Len,   "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"????   I missed this one.  Guide about the tubes?   Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.  Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.  This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?  NOT  Mail order?  Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?  What about the lighting tube itself?  Too weak?  Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??  Just wondering about it?  Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.  The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick.   Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len,   "it would still be a stressor to the fish"?????   Why?   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35792	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

I can't remember where, but I did read somewhere that zebra danio's (including glofish) will pick a mate for life, is this information incorrect Lenny? I just want to make sure I have the right info ;) Mine definitely seem to have paired up and I rarely see them picking on anything or each other, but they have plenty of room in my tank, not sure if that's a factor. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Female ZD's usually are more plump/rounder than the males and in the > classic/original non-inbred variety (before the long finned variants were > developed), the female had slightly longer dorsal and anal fins than the > males and the females were more whitish/silvery and the males slightly > yellowish/goldish colored. I haven't kept or read enough about the > long-finned variants to know if this is still true with them. > > This profile shows a picture of a few classic ZD's with the three males > clearly different than the one female in the image. It would be best to > have 2 or more females for each male in our tanks or the female could be > harassed badly by multiple males who will nip at her tail fin to slow her > down. Whenever this would happen to one of my females, I would put the > males in the breeder net as a time-out while the female was allowed to > roam > free and rest from the harassment. > http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html > <http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Carol Lynn > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > Okay. Thanks for the link. I was wondering cuz I have a yellow one and an > orange one and the yellow one looks a lil bloated. They keep chasing each > other around. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@... <mailto:childofgod19832003%40yahoo.com> > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:35:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > No, they are not livebearers. > > They are genetically enhanced Zebra Danio's with the various day-glo color > genes added into their DNA while still in the egg. They are the exact same > species as regular ZD's which are egg scatterers. Now that the first > adults > have the gene, when they breed, the gene comes naturally in the newborn so > the day-glo coloring continues. I've read that as the various colors > cross-breed, their offspring colors change slightly so I imagine that > without controlled breeding within a certain color.. and if allowed to > just > cross-breed freely, the offspring will eventually start turning back to > their natural color or mostly black/white stripes. > > Here is the legal breeder and primary distributor of GloFish in America. > http://www.glofish. com/ and you can read their FAQ's page for more > info on > how they do the day-glo color enhancement. > > Here are some good profiles on the original non-glowing Zebra Danios. > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile54. html http://fish. > mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html http://www.fishbase > .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?ID=4653 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > Are glofish livebearers? ?? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35793	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I was just organizing my Favorites folder for Plants-Lighting and came across this article written by Dr. Tim and still hosted on the old AquariumFish.com website... http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=10497&cid=3788&sear ch= Thought I should mention this since he is an esteemed member of this group. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Len,   "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"????   I missed this one.  Guide about the tubes?   Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.  Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.  This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?  NOT  Mail order?  Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?  What about the lighting tube itself?  Too weak?  Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??  Just wondering about it?  Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.  The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick.   Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len,   "it would still be a stressor to the fish"?????   Why?   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed.   My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.  An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks.  This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster.   After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!  My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.  In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.  All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all.   I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing  tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long.  Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well.   Your thoughts folks?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35794	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Bookmarked!� and thank-you.� I missed the link Len gave somehow???? � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:40 PM Ahah, I did have it. http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html Amber bill1433 wrote: > Len, > > "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? > > I missed this one. Guide about the tubes? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM > > > > > > > Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. > Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so > you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can > always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually > needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while > you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. > > I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart > SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., > for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I > like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with > them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) > > I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you > check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I > really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at > TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various > manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the > "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a > 20W tube from another. > > I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't > found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" > on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 > lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes > CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's > not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. > http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was > actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only > 17. Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light. This > means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it > around here? NOT Mail order? Out of the question not with the UPS service > we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM > > I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have > time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" > tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed > on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? > > I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of > the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from > DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ > display.cfm? pcatid=3814 > > There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what > you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these > bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many > lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there > somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty > much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, > Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens > (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a > fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. > > Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything > about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about > it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup > without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other > time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the > trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, > then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish.... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this > happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a > pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he > bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful > to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were > trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having > things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than > they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the > tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing > the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the > plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a > stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 > weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the > tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to > seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water > change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All > parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for > my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on > this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35795	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Thanks Len, � But lets be more careful in the future!� See recent post back to Amber.� I thought I missed the entire link!� You know my memory---------------------none! Move over Denny Crane------Mad Cow here too! � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:58 PM Oops.. forgot to put TheKrib's guide link in my reply... http://www.thekrib. com/Lights/ fluorescent- table.html I hope that doesn't cause me to lose my "king of links" throne. LOL The title on the page says "Compact Fluorescent. .." but it should have said CFL's and Tubes since it's all about all of them. Remember it's from 1994-1997 so there have been some dramatic improvements made. I just can't find a similarly done chart that is more updated.... and I don't know enough about lighting to take on the task myself... but if anyone else wants to do it, I'll be happy to host the chart on my blog or they can just set up their own site. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Len, � "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? � I missed this one.� Guide about the tubes? � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.� Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.� This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?� NOT� Mail order?� Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?� What about the lighting tube itself?� Too weak?� Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??� Just wondering about it?� Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.� The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. � Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35796	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Well, Amber's link is different than mine. Hers is to the entire FAQ's section on TheKrib, which also makes up much of the "Tutorial" that I have linked on my A to Z page except the tutorial takes you through the FAQ's one section at a time and doesn't get into as much detail about any one subject unless one clicks on the other links on a page to bring up more detailed information about that subject. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Bookmarked!  and thank-you.  I missed the link Len gave somehow????   Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:40 PM Ahah, I did have it. http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html Amber bill1433 wrote: > Len, > > "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? > > I missed this one. Guide about the tubes? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM > > > > > > > Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. > Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so > you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can > always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb > eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your > current bulb while > you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. > > I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart > SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, > etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight > bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do > well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) > > I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you > check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I > really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at > TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various > manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the > "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a > 20W tube from another. > > I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't > found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" > on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to > 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also > includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to > apples and it's > not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. > http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement > was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the > wattage is only > 17. Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light. > This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it > around here? NOT Mail order? Out of the question not with the UPS service > we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM > > I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have > time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" > tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed > on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? > > I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and > several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw > this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ > product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 > > There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what > you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these > bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many > lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there > somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty > much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent > lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a > lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent > tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. > > Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said > anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too > weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering > about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first > tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for > thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel > but the Diatom did the trick. > > Bill (I wonder about a lot!) > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM > > It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep > with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a > normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep > might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a > serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be > wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are > almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give > them each > day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the > morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total > darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of > time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. > > The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish.... > or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this > happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a > pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up > when he > bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful > to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we > were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to > having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at > night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. > > Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Hi Len, > > "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? > > Why? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM > > Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many > newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of > the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is > utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right > now. Articles below > in order of shortness (easiest to read). > > http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html > > http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml > > I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week > before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and > the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still > be a stressor to the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae > > Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom > filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the > appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. > > My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents > of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, > but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about > 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps > the tank settle down faster. > > After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light > off over > night. > What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful > crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order > to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight > water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three > days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. > > I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light > enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a > favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color > for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to > suggestions on this point as well. > > Your thoughts folks? > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35797	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

MORE???!!!! � For those following along with this thread I thought maybe this page will help with some terms not previously defined. http://www.sylvania.com/LearnLighting/LightAndColor/LightColorCharacteristicf/ � Bill (Denny Cranes brother) --- On Thu, 1/15/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 6:31 PM Thanks Len, � But lets be more careful in the future!� See recent post back to Amber.� I thought I missed the entire link!� You know my memory---------------------none! Move over Denny Crane------Mad Cow here too! � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:58 PM Oops.. forgot to put TheKrib's guide link in my reply... http://www.thekrib. com/Lights/ fluorescent- table.html I hope that doesn't cause me to lose my "king of links" throne. LOL The title on the page says "Compact Fluorescent. .." but it should have said CFL's and Tubes since it's all about all of them. Remember it's from 1994-1997 so there have been some dramatic improvements made. I just can't find a similarly done chart that is more updated.... and I don't know enough about lighting to take on the task myself... but if anyone else wants to do it, I'll be happy to host the chart on my blog or they can just set up their own site. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Len, � "not broken down like TheKrib's guide"???? � I missed this one.� Guide about the tubes? � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM Wal-Mart.... and also the big box home centers like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Just bring your current bulb with you or make sure you "know" your bulb so you can be sure you are buying a compatible replacement. Then you can always keep your current bulb as a backup for when the new bulb eventually needs to be replaced or burns out. Then you can use your current bulb while you are out shopping for a new bulb that you like. I've bought almost all of my replacement tubes from the Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They have the Daylight, Plant Lights, Aquarium Lights, etc., for most popular sizes. I usually go with bright white Daylight bulbs as I like the white color they give off and easy plants still do well with them.... and they're usually cheaper too! ;-) I think that the majority of 24" fluorescent tubes put out 20W but if you check the lumens, you may find that one puts out more than another. I really haven't compared this yet but considering this 1994 thread at TheKrib, there seemed to be a wide array of lumens given out by the various manufacturer' s 24" 20W bulbs... ranging from the 700's to the 1,300's so the "same" 20W tube from one manufacturer could be almost TWICE AS BRIGHT as a 20W tube from another. I'm trying to find an up to date comparative chart like this but haven't found one yet from a source I recognize and trust. I did find this "guide" on fluorescent and one part of it shows that the range is 40 lumens to 100 lumens per watt depending on the bulb, color, etc. but it also includes CFL's in the guide which is no longer comparing apples to apples and it's not broken down like TheKrib's guide but it still has some good info in it. http://oee.nrcan. gc.ca/publicatio ns/equipment/ lighting/ section7. cfm?attr= 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:31 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae The tube is one of those off-blue or purple jobs and the measurement was actual tube size, so its probably a 24" as standard but the wattage is only 17.� Tube is stamped All-Glass Aquarium rapid start aquarium light.� This means I would be looking for a 24" something with more punch but finding it around here?� NOT� Mail order?� Out of the question not with the UPS service we have, those guys could not deliver a dozen egg's without breakage. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:17 PM I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post?� What about the lighting tube itself?� Too weak?� Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long??� Just wondering about it?� Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought.� The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. � Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, � "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? � Why? � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. � My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing.� An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks.� This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. � After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time!� My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae.� In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days.� All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. � I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing �tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long.� Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. � Your thoughts folks? �Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35798	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

This list of comments from TheKrib have some suggestions on dealing with Hydra in breeding tanks... including simple things like dosing with Hydrogen Peroxide or adding a Mystery Snail... neither will harm your fish or plants. Read the whole page for lots of other tips. http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/hydra.html Hydra are likely in any tank with plants unless the plants were disinfected first but they really start to become noticeable in tanks with lots of fry and live fry food swimming around as this is like a smorgasbord for the Hydra. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I've got hydra! Rather curious I've got hydra in a heavily planted 10 gal breeding tank. Very interesting -- the hydra showed up when I started feeding live baby brine and micro-worms to the free swimming fry. I think they were probably around all the time -- but not in large enough numbers that I could notice them. I was raising Apistogramma Cacatuoides and everything was okay until I removed the parents to another tank and left the free-swimming babies unprotected. (About the size of new born guppies) They disappeared one by one -- I actually saw one spinning in agony before it died. I think it had been stung by a hydra tentacle, but am not sure. The interesting thing is I have a pair of Cacatuoides that spawned in the 55 gal show tank a couple of weeks ago-- as soon as I started dropping newly hatched baby brine into the corner the mother had selected to raise her babies, the hydra appeared in this tank too -- attached to the glass in the area where the babies are. The babies are getting quite large - have been free-swimming for about 10 days and none have been lost as far as I can tell, even though they are in very close proximity to the hydra colony all day long. This tank too is heavily planted and also has a large piece of driftwood and large rocks. Driftwood was boiled before adding, so I'm assuming the hydra came in on the plants originally -- there are other micro- organisms darting around too, but I'm not sure what they are -- maybe cyclops... about the size of newly hatched brine but very quick - not the jerking motion of shrimp and daphnia. Water parameters are pristine and I change 50% a week. The 50 gal uses tap water but the 10 gal was (and still is) RO. I read all your posts on hydra and don't want to use copper or formaldhyde - but am considering using straight tap water in the 10 gal to see if the chlorine and floride would kill the hydra (no fish in this tank right now). One of the posts hinted that chlorine might work and I'm assuming it won't hurt the plants at tap water levels. What do you think???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35799	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish - trying to ID

Your post came through with "(unknown)" in the subject line so I've changed it for better following by members. I forget the original name of the Subject in your first post and I'm not sure why your reply didn't include it but in either case, NO... a spotted catfish as both of the angelicus species that I referenced for you will NOT have stripes. Have you ever seen a spotted tiger? It's still a "cat" but it's not a tiger any more. ;-) I guess with cross-breeding, anything is possible but it's not likely. There are literally hundreds of fish that match your description so without a photo, it would take you perusing through dozens or hundreds of catfish profiles to find yours.. and then you might find several profiles that have pictures that look just like yours to the untrained eye... like counting the rays in dorsal fins, etc. Try to take a pic and post it in this groups photo section or on your own online photo album so we can see your catfish. I've always gone to PlanetCatfish or PlecoFanatics for ID'ing catfish/plecos and even the experts there sometimes have lively debates before coming to a conclusion... especially on young specimens who are not showing their full features yet. My thread back in 2005 went on for four pages before the Pleco grew large enough to show it's full features where they could ID it properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bee Herd Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) Hi, Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the Synodontis angelicus,except that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish has stripes. Does anyone know if these fish can have stripes instead? Becki

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35800	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

I would limit the "on" period to 10 max and I would do that only if I had plants. Unless of course the room they are in has no window light at all. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I don't know either Donna but have since given them a natural 12 on, 12 off time.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:39 PM I don’t know if it’s true, but FWIW someone on another forum claimed his fish actually died from 24/7 lighting. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814> rsmith.com/product/ prod_display. cfm?pcatid= 3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? Why? Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I’ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I’m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it’s lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8” long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35801	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: hi everyone, new to site...

Well I found a trio of black swords, added them to my tank last night... the fins are clear, sad though about the pigment possibly causing them health issues. I get home from work to find my red velvet sword hiding in the weeds... and two babies swimming among the big fish! so i guess the advances my pineapple male was making at her worked! I have her isolated in a breeding net now and hope to see what the little fry look like when the grow. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@...> wrote: > > thanks ray, for someone who claims to not know much on swordtails, it > seems you have taken the time to look that up. thanks for the info. I > did spend several hours last night on the ALA site. I do appreciate > the nudge to that site. Not a total newb to the net, but the part I am > looking at now, yeah I am still learning where the reputable sites > pertaining to fish are. It certainly opens the world to us and gets us > wanting much different things in our tanks. Before we were dependent > upon our local pet stores to bring fish to us, the net is a powerful > tool. The first tank I got running is for my son, he has autistic > tendencies and is quite fascinated by the aquariums at the doctors > office. The second one, the one I am looking at putting the koi angels > in, pretty much was going to only have a mating pr in, maybe a pleco? > Not sure how deep in the hobby I will get this time. The last time I > got out when we had a bad ice storm, no power for over a week and I > lost everything. 5 tanks worth. > > That info was a huge help. His eyes are black by the way. Most of the > females I have seen locally have a lighter saddle, more white, no red > along the lateral line, or they closer resemble the green swords. I > know there can be (hope I use the proper word) dimorphic > appearances..different color patterns for each sex... > > learned alot last night... found it very interesting to learn that the > black pigment in the black swords is cancerous to them...that in > itself is disappointing to learn. > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Drew_Black_swords.html > > Thank you again for the info. > > Tim > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tim (redfishbluefish), No harm done, and no hard feelings -- seems > > like you just made the mistake of overlooking the message > > (texas_tears2000) I was replying to; I trust you've seen her message > > since. As a moderator (on another group) yourself, you're probably > > aware that it would serve me (or this group) no purpose to shoot you > > down or get you bent out of shape. > > > > Yes, this is one of the most active yahoo groups going, on aquarium- > > related subjects. As it appears you are learning, aquarium > > maintenance technology has advanced over the years and with it, > > easier and more dependable continuance of your aquarium inhabitants. > > It does sometimes seem a wonder that we were able to keep anything > > alive years ago (LOL), but then, fish were hardier back then for the > > most part -- besides, those fish didn't know anymore than we did > > <grin>. Many years back, cycling was unheard of; no one cycled their > > tanks yet there never seemed to be any problems stemming from that. > > > > Yeah, I understand your reluctance about having fish shipped to you > > at this time of year. It was for that reason why I advised you to > > wait for warmer weather. Heat packs can be unreliable, especially in > > below freezing weather or if there's a delay during shipping. Then > > too, when handling the shipment after its arrival at your nearest > > airport, the cargo handlers may not bring the plane's load inside > > from the tarmac in a timely manner. > > > > Koi Angels would be a good choice and while some recommendations may > > not subscribe housing them in as small of a tank as a 30 gallon, many > > Angelfish breeders use just that size for a breeding pair. The fry > > could not be raised with the parents, however, if this was your > > plan. Being somewhat newer, Koi Swordtails are increasingly gaining > > in popularity, even here in the Northeast and while their pattern is > > striking I can see why you prefer staying with the Pineapple strain; > > the male you have is exceedingly nice. Too bad about those Black > > Swordtails that died in your LFS's tank. Perhaps he'll get more in, > > in the future, when you would then have no problem placing them in > > one of your tanks. > > > > Getting back to your main topic of interest, I hadn't replied to it > > as I don't consider myself a Swordtail expert, but while any certain > > strain's characteristics should be confined to its original > > developments, you'll find that these characteristics can vary over > > time as the variety is continued by various breeders. I mention > > this, as what you're expecting to find in trying to obtain female > > Pineapple Swordtails may vary somewhat from the pattern you presently > > have. > > > > In checking out your photo on this Group-Site as well as the same one > > you posted on the ALA (for those members unfamiliar with this > > abbreviation, its -- American Livebearers Association) Site (which by > > the way has more definition on the ALA for some reason), from your > > male's color pattern it appears as if this line may have come > > partially from Albino Pineapple Swords. As far as I can tell by your > > photos though, your male's eyes are black; please state if they're > > red, I can't determine. > > > > Now as for the other common names you question for this same strain, > > from what I'm aware, while Neon Swordtails are very similar to the > > Pineapple -- even having the red saddle -- some of their traits are > > closer to the original Green Swordtail in that their prominent > > longitudinal line is black -- not red, as in yours. Their fins are > > shaded much more yellow, not orange-red as is yours. The sword on > > the Neon Swordtail is completely outlined in black, again > > unmistakenly including this part of the Green Swordtail's traits. > > The Pineapple Swordtail's sword is only partially outlined, but still > > much more so than the Candy. > > > > The Candy Swordtail, again being very similar, has no red along the > > top, nor are its dorsal or caudal fins solid orange-red but instead > > heavily speckled orange-red over yellowish fins. Whereas your fish's > > secondary horizontal lines are blackish, the Candy Swordtail's > > secondary lines are also red as is its primary/prominent heavy > > horizontal line. Its sword is not as well outlined (in black) as > > either the Pineapple or the Neon Swords. > > > > As all three strains are quite close in appearance, it seems evident > > that they may well have been derived from one original line, although > > I can't say which strain was developed from which other strain, if > > that were the case, or if they each were developed as separate > > varieties from an original strain. As far as I'm aware, they are not > > synonyms though; your strain is Pineapple. > > > > As I stated above, even your Pineapple Swordtail strain may vary from > > breeder to breeder -- and that includes possible stightly different > > strains from various fish farms. You may even be disappointed by > > some, although there may be strains out there in the hobby that have > > even more intense red coloring in them; that remains unseen. If > > you're unable to find any suitable Pineapple Swordtail females, I'd > > suggest obtaining Albino Swordtails and adding your male's genes to > > their offspring. If you find them in a tank at your LFS accompanied > > by Albino males, remember that these females can carry several > > succeeding batches of fry with one mating (from an Albino male) so > > you'll have to wait until the females are free of Albino fry to > > expect any fry from your Pineapple - Albino matings. Still, this > > should not prevent you from housing them all in the same aquarium -- > > except for the Black Swordtails, which you'll have to house > > separately to prevent fertilization by them. > > > > Most of these offspring will show the your male Pineapple Swordtail's > > traits. If he has any Albino genes in his background, you may expect > > some (probably 25%) Albino offspring. Otherwise, the females' Albino > > traits will be hidden, possibly to be expressed in future generations > > depending upon the arrangement of subsequent generations' matings. > > This may be the best way to raise your strain of Pineapple Swordtails > > in the absence of females of this same strain, and be relatively > > assured the offspring will resemble your male. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > sorry ray, did not mean to get off on the wrong foot here! not the > > > first forum I have been on, just took it wrong... I am a moderator > > on > > > a nascar forum, and I know misunderstandings happen, this group > > seems > > > to be one of the more active on the yahoo groups dealing with > > aquarium > > > life, I gotta say things seems to have changed since I had my > > > aquariums set up before... we used to bleach the gravel and filter > > out > > > to kill off the bacteria and algae! gotta wonder how we were able > > to > > > keep the fish alive! I certainly hope there are no hard feelings, I > > am > > > just here to relearn what used to seem second nature to me. still > > > learning my way around. I am in the midwest ray, lol no way I'd > > even > > > think of having fish shipped in freezing weather! appreciate the > > help, > > > and I have seen KOI versions of many species of fish, I have > > recently > > > acquired a second 30 gallon tank, and I plan on koi angelfish for my > > > main inhabitants for that! not sure if I like the koi swords, I have > > > seen pix of them on a few websites... kinda had my heart set on a > > trio > > > of black swords though... eh got time right? rest of my life to > > find > > > them lol, i just had sour grapes cause I was watching some at a > > local > > > pet store while my tank got started, they died in the tank, cause > > they > > > just do not take car of them like they should. I gotta wonder what > > > kind of markup they have on them to let so many die? > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Tim, By your latest post below, with the help of Lenny's > > > > message, I trust you now understand that I was not referring to > > your > > > > original (previous) post on this topic but instead was addressing > > our > > > > member "texas_tears2000," who replied to you with a message that > > had > > > > no relevance. You will note that in my message, I was referring > > to > > > > you in the third-person in my grammer and not writing to you > > directly. > > > > > > > > Wish I could help you out for sources of these Swordtail > > varieties > > > > you're looking for. Not even knowing where you live, I couldn't > > > > venture to take a guess, although you might try checking out Aqua- > > Bid > > > > if you really prefer acquiring them. Another very new Swordtail > > > > variety I'm sure would interest you is the Koi Swordtail. I > > would > > > > advise you to wait for warmer weather though, as even though heat- > > > > packs would undoubtedly be used, if they expired the drop in > > > > temperature would subject these fish to enough stress that would > > > > probably ensure their contracting Ich. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" <dewdude35@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks, I have been to the badmans site before. I will look > > into > > > > the > > > > > other site, not a breeding issue, just curiosity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dewdude/Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you mis-read Ray's reply. He was replying to another > > post > > > > > in your > > > > > > thread that did not have relevance to your original post. He > > was > > > > not > > > > > > replying to your initial post. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I can't help you since I've never kept them and > > haven't > > > > > even read > > > > > > much about the various color schemes being bred into > > swordtails > > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, one of the members who is more proficient with > > > > swordtails and > > > > > > your initial question will reply soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, here is Badman's and Mongabay's profile on > > them. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile27.html > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Xiphophorus_helleri.html > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to also join the ALA - American Livebearer > > > > > Association > > > > > > for more specific breeding information on this species and > > other > > > > > > livebearers. > > > > > > http://livebearers.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on > > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of dewdude35 > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hi everyone, new to site... > > > > > > > > > > > > the relevance? all I was asking for was someone to ID the > > > > fish... I > > > > > have > > > > > > seen it posted online in various locations by different common > > > > > names... neon > > > > > > swordtail, pineapple swordtail, even candy swordtail.. > > > > > > my question is ... Each site has similar pictures, with > > different > > > > > names for > > > > > > the fish.. but, subtle differences, I posted a pic on this > > site > > > > > tim's tank, > > > > > > any help would be appreciated. sorry I rambled. then again it > > was > > > > > only a 3 > > > > > > dollar fish, so if it is too much trouble, nevermind. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just started up an 30 gallon aquarium,community tank. > > > > > > I used to have 5 aquariums going about 15 yrs ago, many > > things > > > > have > > > > > changed, > > > > > > but much has stayed the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I fail to see the relevance to Tim's post, after > > reading > > > > this > > > > > > > over several times. I note Tim is looking for female > > Pineapple > > > > > > > Swordtails and female black Swordtails as well. The loss > > of > > > > your > > > > > > > Swordtails (of unknown strain) and the propensity of your > > water > > > > to > > > > > > > turn green doesn't appear to help Tim's needs. Are you > > looking > > > > for > > > > > > > help in these apparent mysteries to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case, we'd be glad to try to help you > > undertsand > > > > what > > > > > > > may be happening in both circumstances. You don't give us > > very > > > > much > > > > > > > to go on though, and water parameter readings are always a > > good > > > > place > > > > > > > to start; hopefully, you can supply them. You haven't > > given > > > > any > > > > > > > details of your Swordtails' environment, especially the > > > > female. What > > > > > > > size tank are they in? What kind and how many other fish > > are > > > > in this > > > > > > > same tank, if any? Are there sufficient plants for the > > female > > > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > refuge in? Did you put the female in a breeding trap (this > > can > > > > often > > > > > > > induce releasing of premature/dead Swordtail fry in larger > > > > livebearer > > > > > > > females when they're confined). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "texas_tears2000" > > > > > > > <texas_tears2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a male & female swordtails. > > > > > > > > They had babies. > > > > > > > > All babies die. > > > > > > > > My swordtail mom & dad's tank keeps wanting to turn > > green,its > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the light,or direct light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dewdude35" > > <dewdude35@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if I can trouble someone... not sure of my > > swordtail, > > > > > > > bought > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a assorted, dunno if he is a pineapple or a neon sword, > > or > > > > if > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are common names for the same fish, trying to find a > > few > > > > females > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > him, he is orange on the dorsal fin to the tail.. > > complete > > > > > > > > orange/red > > > > > > > > > on the tail.. red stripe on the lateral line.. broken > > red > > > > line > > > > > > > > below.. > > > > > > > > > he has a bluish reflection from his white areas... > > most" > > > > > > > pineapples" > > > > > > > > > sold here have no red, nor do they appear to have the > > > > bluish hue > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > them... looking online, there are few pics, and many > > use > > > > the same > > > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > > > pic for both common names... not to happy with the > > > > coloration of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ones the local critter stores sell, but not gonna buy > > blind > > > > from > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > online supplier either, I can wait for the right ones > > for my > > > > > > > tank... > > > > > > > > > want to find a male and a few female black swords too.. > > he > > > > has > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > red > > > > > > > > > velvet sword females keeping him company now, they are > > not > > > > too > > > > > > > > > interested in his advances though..lol guess my velvets > > are > > > > > > > > racist...lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thnx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35802	From: bill1433	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Thanks Donna, � the room they are in has no night at all and the reason for the 12 hours. � Bill --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:55 PM I would limit the "on" period to 10 max and I would do that only if I had plants. Unless of course the room they are in has no window light at all. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:15 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I don't know either Donna but have since given them a natural 12 on, 12 off time. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:39 PM I don�t know if it�s true, but FWIW someone on another forum claimed his fish actually died from 24/7 lighting. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae I'm not sure what a "light enhancing Aqua Color tubes" is and I didn't have time to Google earlier. You said it's 23 1/8" long... could it be a 24" tube? What kind of numbers T-??, wattage, brand, etc., does it have printed on the glass (usually near one of the end caps)? I just did a Google on - light enhancing Aqua Color tubes - and several of the top hits did not seem to be on point but then I saw this one from DrsFosterSmith. com http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=3814> rsmith.com/product/ prod_display. cfm?pcatid= 3814 There is a T-12, 24", 20 watt tube listed on that page which could be what you have... and if you click on the "More Info" button, you'll see these bulbs put out 360 lumens... which I still haven't figured out how many lumens per gallon we should have but there should be a chart out there somewhere since the Watts/Gallon that we've relied on in the past is pretty much obsolete nowadays with the advent of Compact Fluorescent lighting, Halogen lighting, LED lighting, etc... which all put out a lot more lumens (actual light) per watt than a standard fluorescent tube just like a fluorescent tube puts out a lot more lumens than a incandescent light. Do you have any kind of brand name on the hood/lighting fixture? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae No, not at all Len, I do appreciate your opinion but nobody said anything about the other part of the post? What about the lighting tube itself? Too weak? Remember that a 29 is higher than a 20-long?? Just wondering about it? Also, if you remember about Bill------this is the first tank I setup without under-gravel filters----- --------- -food for thought. The other time (30 years ago) was without an under-gravel but the Diatom did the trick. Bill (I wonder about a lot!) --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:06 PM It's not "natural". Fish sleep and most do not have eyelids so they sleep with their eyes wide open. It just seems to me that it would prevent a normal nights sleep and while occasionally not getting a normal nights sleep might be OK, I would imaging going four weeks would start to become a serious stressor... but if it's worked for you in the past, then I could be wrong... but I know my non-nocturnal fish go to "sleep" where they are almost completely still for the 12+ hours of nighttime that I give them each day and then they "wake up" when the ambient lighting comes on in the morning. Unless it's a fish that is genetically used to being in total darkness (cave fish, etc.) or total lighting for extended periods of time, then I think it would be a stressor to have this forced on them. The same thing happens to fish in a tank when there is a nocturnal fish... or worse, a nocturnal predator.. that disrupts them too much. I've seen this happen with my goldfish and tropical's when a more nocturnal fish like a pleco would start foraging around the tank at night and wake them up when he bumps them or even gets too close. Even this is probably a little stressful to a fish kind of like if something woke us up constantly while we were trying to sleep... but I think fish in the wild are more used to having things, whether nosy fish or predatory fish waking them up at night than they are with 24/7 daylight for four weeks. Just my opinion and you know what they say about them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Hi Len, "it would still be a stressor to the fish"????? Why? Bill --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:07 PM Diatoms (aka Brown Algae but not really an algae) are pretty common in many newly set up aquariums and will go away on their own as the ecology of the tank gets fully established to where the rest of the ecology is utilizing the silicates, etc., that the diatoms are using up right now. Articles below in order of shortness (easiest to read). http://www.thetropi caltank.co. uk/algae. htm#brown http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ articles/ article85. html http://www.skeptica laquarist. com/docs/ algae/diatoms. shtml I've never seen the concept of leaving the lights on 24/7, for four week before. This seems like it would be a stressor to both the fish and the plants... do you have any live plants yet? If not, it would still be a stressor to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Since I�ve had this problem 30 years ago and fixed it by running my diatom filter I�m writing now because I do not have any diatom filter and the appearance of this Brown Algae was most unusual, its speed. My 29-gallon tank is in its 3rd week and was put together using the contents of my 5-gallon hex as I described in another writing. An old habit I guess, but in setting up a new tank I never turn off it�s lighting for about 4 weeks. This allows for the start of green algae and I feel it helps the tank settle down faster. After doing a regular pwc the other day I decided to turn the light off over night. What a surprise I received next morning at coffee time! My beautiful crystal clear tank was now cloudy and contains brown algae. In order to seek some measure of control I cleaned the glass and did a slight water change of 3-gallons and having been doing so for the past three days. All parameters to the tank are fine with no ammonia level at all. I should also state that the tank has one of those Aqua Color Light enhancing tubes at 17 watts and is 23 1/8� long. Since this is not a favorite of mine and I would prefer something more toward normal color for my fish I am also hunting for a new tube and also open to suggestions on this point as well. Your thoughts folks? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35803	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see what they have for my project. I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect (tank is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation so I have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would like to. I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on this site, http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) before I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the water line in most projects that I checked. I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check hopefully tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they close). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35804	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)

I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes that eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral stripes. There are probably others as well. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Bee Herd > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > Hi, > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the Synodontis angelicus,except > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish has stripes. Does anyone know > if these fish can have stripes instead? > Becki > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35805	From: caroline	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: upside down goldfish...=(

I have been feeding him.... the insides of fresh peas.... the omega fish food.. is there anything to help this poor fish.. he is four inches or so... and he does not seem to have control.. caroline [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35806	From: William	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

I was reading in a magazine a few days ago that if you put meds in the tank the hydra will shut down and not be affected by these meds but salt in low doses for long periods will rid a tank of these small animals.They were talking about sow enough doses that will not hurt fish that don't like salt in their water. I would have to find that magazine to find out what amount of salt and how long was needed to get rid of the hydra. Maybe someone in this group knows the amount that is needed. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > This list of comments from TheKrib have some suggestions on dealing with > Hydra in breeding tanks... including simple things like dosing with Hydrogen > Peroxide or adding a Mystery Snail... neither will harm your fish or plants. > Read the whole page for lots of other tips. > > http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/hydra.html > > Hydra are likely in any tank with plants unless the plants were disinfected > first but they really start to become noticeable in tanks with lots of fry > and live fry food swimming around as this is like a smorgasbord for the > Hydra. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] I've got hydra! Rather curious > > I've got hydra in a heavily planted 10 gal breeding tank. Very interesting > -- the hydra showed up when I started feeding live baby brine and > micro-worms to the free swimming fry. I think they were probably around all > the time -- but not in large enough numbers that I could notice them. > I was raising Apistogramma Cacatuoides and everything was okay until I > removed the parents to another tank and left the free-swimming babies > unprotected. (About the size of new born guppies) They disappeared one by > one -- I actually saw one spinning in agony before it died. I think it had > been stung by a hydra tentacle, but am not sure. > The interesting thing is I have a pair of Cacatuoides that spawned in the 55 > gal show tank a couple of weeks ago-- as soon as I started dropping newly > hatched baby brine into the corner the mother had selected to raise her > babies, the hydra appeared in this tank too -- attached to the glass in the > area where the babies are. The babies are getting quite large - have been > free-swimming for about 10 days and none have been lost as far as I can > tell, even though they are in very close proximity to the hydra colony all > day long. This tank too is heavily planted and also has a large piece of > driftwood and large rocks. Driftwood was boiled before adding, so I'm > assuming the hydra came in on the plants originally -- there are other > micro- organisms darting around too, but I'm not sure what they are -- maybe > cyclops... about the size of newly hatched brine but very quick - not the > jerking motion of shrimp and daphnia. > Water parameters are pristine and I change 50% a week. The 50 gal uses tap > water but the 10 gal was (and still is) RO. > I read all your posts on hydra and don't want to use copper or formaldhyde - > but am considering using straight tap water in the 10 gal to see if the > chlorine and floride would kill the hydra (no fish in this tank right now). > One of the posts hinted that chlorine might work and I'm assuming it won't > hurt the plants at tap water levels. > What do you think??? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35807	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: ich

i get plenty of those storeage bins around the house....Im going to use one for quarntine tank..also Lenny i noticed that the pleco alaso has a fungus infection --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:39 PM A 2G would work OK for quarantining very small fish. A 10G is a nice size tank to have as an extra to use as a Q-tank or H-tank and since many meds are dispensed in 10G dosages, it also serves to make medicating the tank easier. Wal-Mart's sell 10G tanks for around $10.00 or you can get a Sterilite clear storage box of the same size for $4.00 and it will double as a storage box for linens or other stuff when you're not needing it for your fish... and it's more durable stuck up in a closet some where compared to a 10G glass tank. Here's a couple of articles on being prepared with a Q-tank/H-tank. Not all of this is needed but as you can see, it's helpful to have around when needed. http://www.flippers andfins.net/ articelhospital. htm http://www.aquahobb y.com/articles/ e_quarantine. php You can also do a search of the Messages section for - quarantine - on the Group's website and find many more tips and information. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:08 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich I know Lenny don't u sleep?..lol hey can i use a 2g acrylic tank as a quarantine tank? --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 4:38 AM OK. Now you know why we preach so much about quarantining newly acquired fish and plants. Mark this one down as a lesson learned. Since you do have a product containing the formalin and malachite green, you can follow the instructions on the Loaches.com article except you will have to treat for a much longer time since you do not have a heater. Is there a way to just heat up the room where the tank is at with a space heater? It might cost you more than the $10 to $20+ that a used/new heater might cost you but at least you won't have to pay it out of pocket right now if finances are an issue... and aren't they always? Besides, you might be able to turn the central heat or main heat down in the rest of the house since that room will likely leach some of it's heat into the rest of the house anyhow so some of the expense would be offset. DrsFosterSmith. com still has these Rena heaters on clearance sale for $10.19 http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? c=3578+20024+ 3878&pca tid=3878 They are 100W heaters so you might want to get a few of them and it's best to have to 1/2 sized heaters instead of a full sized one anyhow for safety and redundancy. You could still use one in the 40G, once you are over the Ich, and two in the bigger tank when you get it. From all I've read, Rena and many retailers are clearing these classic style heaters out since Rena is pushing their new SmartHeater' s, which fit over a filter's intake tube so it's one less piece of hardware sticking down into the tank. I bought a couple of these a month or so ago and have one of them running at 74F in my 65G goldfish tank mainly for when I do PWC's since the incoming tap water is so much colder this time of year so the heater can keep the tank water from lowering more than 1-2F when I do my weekly PWC's. No problems whatsoever with it and the calibration is accurate and I like how the calibrated dial is marked well and even lights up when the heater comes on confirmation of the temp. Typically, one needs 3-5 watts per gallon to maintain tropical temps so you would likely need two of these 100W heaters in your 40G to raise the temp up to the mid-80's level suggested in the Loaches.com article. Check with your aunt for any of her friends that might have some used heaters to loan or sell you cheap. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:48 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich Lenny I'm using quick cure( black bottle red cap white label)it says only the medication formalin and malachite green ( also has a cancer warning on it lol). and I'm in Dania Florida. I have not seen Any one in here from down here yet. Power failers are also a problem here lost 2 air pumps already. See Lenny must of the fish items i have were hand me down from my wifes aunt sense she was a fish breeder an stuff. She has nothing left. I think i need a 150w heater i think..btw the ick camer from a common pleco i just introduced into the tank. 2 weeks ago. I will be getting a bigger tank in the neer future. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > Is your medication strictly Malachite Blue or are there other ingredients? > Is there a brand name? Treating for only a couple of days is insufficient > although there are references in that article about only adding the > medication every few days to try and kill off the newly hatched Ich as they > are at their most vulnerable stage. > > I glanced at the Loaches.com article that I referred you to in my earlier > reply (below) and it says that the 1 drop per gallon should probably be > reduced to 1 drop per two gallons but they are referring to medicines that > have a "combination of formalin and malachite green (aka malachite blue or > victoria green)". Of course, this article further goes on to raising the > temperature but since this isn't an option for you right now... can you get > access to an aquarium heater? Do you have any friends that keep fish that > you could call and try and borrow one of theirs? I usually have a couple of > heaters in my fish box that I would loan to a friend without a problem. > > What City/State are you in? There may be a member from this group in your > area that could loan you a heater until you are able to buy your own. > Obviously, you understand that tropical fish need to have a heater in their > tanks unless you can assure that the room temp will always be consistent > enough. Of course, a power failure would have nullified either heat source, > if that was the cause of the Ich outbreak in your case. > > I also want to point out that your 40G tank will not be large enough for > Clown Loaches for long term housing. They grow quite large (up to 16") and > should be kept in shoals of at least three or more and preferably five or > more so a large tank... 100G+ is usually required for the smaller shoal. > Here's a nice profile/care sheet on them. > http://www.loaches. com/species- index/clown- loach-chromoboti a- macracanthus > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i used malachite blue for 3 days half dose and stoped for several days i > started two days ago again this time a full treatment 1 drop per gallon > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:02 AM > > > > > > > I haven't read over this article but Loaches.com is usually reliable so > check this article and forum thread out, with a little more info added in a > second thread. > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2599 > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=2600 > > The raising of the temperature is mainly for shortening the life cycle of > Ich. Any medicines or treatments should work regardless of the temperature > except that you will have to subject the fish to the meds/treatment for a > longer period of time. > > What have you been doing "on and off for the past two weeks"? Without heat, > that may not be enough time to treat the tank as you are seeing with the > loaches. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ich > > i have a Big problem with ick at the moment.. i don't have a heater in my > 40g tank.. i been medicating on and off for the past 2 weeks most of the > fish seams to be OK except for my clown loaches. > > I know that clown loaches are very sensitive to Ick sense they don't have > scales like other fish.. > > What do u guys recommend? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

If you do a Google of - two part epoxy resin - then click on the Shopping link, you'll see lots of hits for products although some will not be what you are looking for. They sell this type of product for everything from sealing wood on decks, boat repair, surfboard building and repair, clear sealing of cement floors like garage floors, roofing sealants, etc. I scrolled thru the first 50 hits and found these should be suitable brands/products... so I've done the above homework for you. I was curious as to how many different product options were out there myself for future reference in my favorites folder. http://tinyurl.com/726tvt - for below Home Depot cement sealing products in various colors and Clear http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Navigation?N=10000003+904 01+530103&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&Ntk=AllProps http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=97939-4-97939 - garage floor http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=9358 - roofing product http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/FIB/FIB100643.html - fiberglass boat repair http://www.1877floorguy.com/tol900eptwop.html - flooring/cement sealer http://www.aquasuperstore.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=2548 - cement pond sealants in several colors including Clear http://www.snapspeed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DA0924&Click=1299 - surfboard product so you can also use the extra foam and resin to make you a big board to use for surfing on your tropical Alaskan island. ;-) http://www.johnnyspond.com/cui-classic-rod-coat.html - Fishing Rod makers epoxy sealant.. they should sell this on your tropical Alaskan island. ;-) Hopefully, you local hardware will sell one of these types of products. I'm thinking the cement sealer but that would be a lot more product than you need but the fishing rod product and boating product might be something they also have up there. The garage floor products also come in colors including a sand color that you might be able to work with although the clear would be best. Also, if there is a boat repair shop on your island, they may have bulk supplies of this type of product and if you sweet talk one of the guys, I'm sure they'd fill up two pint cans with each part of the epoxy from their larger containers. Your hardware should sell empty pint or quart sized paint cans real cheap. You sure do rush things.. I remember you jumped into the deep end with both feet when setting up the 125G and substrate also... and isn't it crooked now? ;-) Just kidding with you but take your time and don't rush this project until you have all of the proper products... but I do hope they have one of the above or something of suitable use... but if they don't, it's God's way of telling you to slow down. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see what they have for my project. I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect (tank is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation so I have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would like to. I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on this site, http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) before I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the water line in most projects that I checked. I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check hopefully tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they close). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35809	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

I just peeked at some of the pictures on the PlanetCatfish profile http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 And these did have some stripes on them... http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] (unknown) I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes that eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral stripes. There are probably others as well. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Bee Herd > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > Hi, > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the Synodontis angelicus,except > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish has stripes. Does anyone know > if these fish can have stripes instead? > Becki > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35810	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If you think it might get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the utillities, heater, filter ins and outs... That is if you make it for a just fish tank... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...>wrote: > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see what > they have for my project. > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect (tank > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation so I > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't > decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would like to. > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", > I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on this site, > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions > for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) before > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is > cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the water > line in most projects that I checked. > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and > that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check hopefully > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they close). > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35811	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there?

Lenny, I'd ask you to re-read my post again, as you obviously have not understood it the first time. To begin with, I have never said that all websites should be condemned, nor did I ever say that all web sites are bad, as you are implying with your unwarrented remarks. There are a good number of responsible and factual web sites on the Internet which quite competent; I might even venture to say the majority might be. The new, unwary and otherwise unknowing hobbyist has absolutely no way of knowing the difference between a reliable site and one that contains poor, adverse or damaging information, especially when anyone can post a web site, such as yourself, whether they be knowledgeable or uneducated in the matters of aquarium biology. Note, I'm just using your site as an example here -- not to say how trustworthy it may or may not be. By your defensiveness here, in the context of your post, it would almost appear as though I'm attacking your site, if I did not know better. I am not having your site in mind when I wrote that. With the strong possibility of the desperate hobbyist new to all this information, and when seeking needed help at the earliest opportunity, they may stumble upon one of the bogus sites or just one that might have misinformation -- whether it's posted recklessly or not -- out of the multitude of aquarium related web sites on the 'Net, and I'm sure you know there are many -- both good and bad. Getting bad information can well be lethal to one's fish, for instance, when they read and assume this information is authoritative, when it can be difficult to distinguish between a helpful site and one that contains falsifications. For this reason, I still recommend the otherwise unknowing hobbyist (and they don't need to be new to this) to take anything they read with a grain of salt, and yes, not to believe everything they read. To believe everything and to take everything at face value when not being able to know otherwise is to be gullible and can lead to further fish related problems than they might already have to start with. Until it comes time that this hobbyist has learned to be able to trust a source of information, as the astute hobbyist soon would, it would pay them to be cautious as there is a lot of false information out there on the 'Net (too, in some books). Yes, this goes for trusting information on Yahoogroups as well (Yahoogroups are not immune to having false information), including YOUR information AS WELL AS MINE!!! As the wise old sage Benjamin Franklin wrote, Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear. Once a hobbyist has learned -- or has even sooner seen by our information helping others -- they will have reason to put trust in our replies to their queries (TRUST IS EARNED). While many of these aquarium related web sites are compilations of material gleaned from elsewhere, having taken many hours in the process, an owner of such a web-site may still not know how reliable this gathered information might be, not having the practical experience to know whether it is or not. Fortunately, as you pointed out, the better sites are peer reviewed and edited as necessary although there's still something to be said for first hand knowledge/experience when needing to give advice off the cuff, being assured within yourself that its irrefutable. I believe all on this Yahoo Group enjoy knowing some of your posts and/or links are derived from reputable web sites, such as Mongabay, The Tropical Tank, Badman's and SkepticalAquarist, but I note that even you recommend not to believe everything one sees on Wikipedia, even though its usually quite informative. As you've pointed out (message # 35729 -- 1/14/08 5:56PM) in your post entitled "Need help identifying fish?!," Wiki sometimes has bad information due to the way they allow people to edit the pages . . . usually with out peer review. It ill matters to a hobbyist seeking information on how to cure a sick fish that this misinformation is due to other people adding bad information, or whether this poor information was put on a site originally by the web page owner, their fish could still be in peril. It lloks to me here that you are saying exactly the same thing that I just got done saying -- Not to believe everything you read, as that's what I gather from your post regarding Wikipedia, or are the members supposed to know beforehand which web sites are reliable or not? Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > Your first two rules would also dictate that anything posted in this group > should not be believed and the information should be "taken with a grain of > salt" since this is nothing more than a website where anyone can post. > Would this mean that your post should also not be believed? I don't see how > broad sweeping statements like those can be made condemning information on > websites when those broad sweeping statements are being made where? On a > website. Or is information contained in email replies from Yahoo Groups > more reliable? If so, then some lawyer for a dead billionaire in Nigeria > has some money for you. ;-) > > I certainly agree that information, whether in a book... countless bad books > out there also... should be vetted by the reader but there are some very, > very good and even excellent websites that are well respected and are > actually set up by people in the hobby who have been around for many, many > years. They've spent countless hours compiling the information on their > websites, having it peer reviewed, editing and re-editing it as newer or > better information becomes available, etc., etc.... something that a book's > publisher doesn't do.. unless you're willing to buy the new books. > > Sites like Badman's, TheKrib's, Mongabay, TheSkepticalAquarist and many, > many others... too countless to mention them all.. have been around for more > than 10 years and some going back to the beginnings of the internet (when > did Al Gore invent it anyhow?? LOL) and a couple of those sites also have > forums that are hosted/moderated by folks who have been in the fishkeeping > hobby as long as anyone in this group. To discount their works on their > websites would be comparable to someone in one of their forums discounting > this group with a single sweeping statement. > > I certainly don't have a problem pointing out and identifying what I think > are good or bad website sources (like I've done on my... ummm.. website) but > I just don't see how one can make a broad sweeping statement discounting > website information... especially when posting that statement on a... > ummm... website... or would that now make your information bad now also? ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Any Rainbowfish Folks out there? > > Noting your comment on checking out fish sites, in general, one of the first > rules there is to take anything you read with a grain of salt. A second > rule is not to believe everything you read -- when taking into consideration > that anyone (no matter now learned or > uneducated) can post their own web-site making it look authoritive. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35812	From: hank voss	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > Its incorrect!! ========================================== > I can't remember where, but I did read somewhere that zebra danio's > (including glofish) will pick a mate for life, is this information > incorrect Lenny? I just want to make sure I have the right info ;) > Mine definitely seem to have paired up and I rarely see them picking on > anything or each other, but they have plenty of room in my tank, not > sure if that's a factor. > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35813	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae

Depends on the diatoms. Some are "benthic" - they collect on surfaces. Different species have different preferences about what surfaces they like to collect on - plants and rocks, plastic decorations, or the aquarium glass. Many dust or wipe right off, but that too seems to depend on the species; I had one kind that I couldn't get identified at that point, that had to be outright scraped off the glass with an algae scrubber. (I always examine my diatoms under the microscope). If they build up, cleaning the surfaces they built up on will render them invisible until they build up again. In my tank they are most sensitive to teh water conditions, less so than the light. Neglect the tank for several days, see brown stuff accumulate. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Turing Off The Lights and Brown Algae Diatoms, aka Brown algae is not really algae so it does not photosynthesize like algae does. See my previous reply to Bill for more reading. Just brush it off your decorations and glass prior to vacuuming your gravel and then you'll suck it up with the other detritus... although I have heard of some instances where diatoms will stick to things but the times I've had it, it usually was more like a dust on things and came off very easy. Usually, cloning

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35814	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

I use a teaspoon of aquarium salt per gallon. I think you can use a teaspoon per 5 gallons. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious I was reading in a magazine a few days ago that if you put meds in the tank the hydra will shut down and not be affected by these meds but salt in low doses for long periods will rid a tank of these small animals.They were talking about sow enough doses that will not hurt fish that don't like salt in their water. I would have to find that magazine to find out what amount of salt and how long was needed to get rid of the hydra. Maybe someone in this group knows the amount that is needed. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > This list of comments from TheKrib have some suggestions on dealing with > Hydra in breeding tanks... including simple things like dosing with Hydrogen > Peroxide or adding a Mystery Snail... neither will harm your fish or plants. > Read the whole page for lots of other tips. > > http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/hydra.html > > Hydra are likely in any tank with plants unless the plants were disinfected > first but they really start to become noticeable in tanks with lots of fry > and live fry food swimming around as this is like a smorgasbord for the > Hydra. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] I've got hydra! Rather curious > > I've got hydra in a heavily planted 10 gal breeding tank. Very interesting > -- the hydra showed up when I started feeding live baby brine and > micro-worms to the free swimming fry. I think they were probably around all > the time -- but not in large enough numbers that I could notice them. > I was raising Apistogramma Cacatuoides and everything was okay until I > removed the parents to another tank and left the free-swimming babies > unprotected. (About the size of new born guppies) They disappeared one by > one -- I actually saw one spinning in agony before it died. I think it had > been stung by a hydra tentacle, but am not sure. > The interesting thing is I have a pair of Cacatuoides that spawned in the 55 > gal show tank a couple of weeks ago-- as soon as I started dropping newly > hatched baby brine into the corner the mother had selected to raise her > babies, the hydra appeared in this tank too -- attached to the glass in the > area where the babies are. The babies are getting quite large - have been > free-swimming for about 10 days and none have been lost as far as I can > tell, even though they are in very close proximity to the hydra colony all > day long. This tank too is heavily planted and also has a large piece of > driftwood and large rocks. Driftwood was boiled before adding, so I'm > assuming the hydra came in on the plants originally -- there are other > micro- organisms darting around too, but I'm not sure what they are -- maybe > cyclops... about the size of newly hatched brine but very quick - not the > jerking motion of shrimp and daphnia. > Water parameters are pristine and I change 50% a week. The 50 gal uses tap > water but the 10 gal was (and still is) RO. > I read all your posts on hydra and don't want to use copper or formaldhyde - > but am considering using straight tap water in the 10 gal to see if the > chlorine and floride would kill the hydra (no fish in this tank right now). > One of the posts hinted that chlorine might work and I'm assuming it won't > hurt the plants at tap water levels. > What do you think??? > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35815	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Thanks Lenny, I will look and see what I can get after work today. The reason I am rushing this project is because I placed a bid on the loaches and I'd like to have a decent place to keep them if I win, LOL. These ones are wild caught and more colorful than most others I've seen out there so far, more yellow than a dull mustard yellow with stripes ;) We have a marine hardware store that might have the boat product and fishing pole products you mentioned. I'm still going to go back to the hardware store first to see what she has (have a charge account there, LOL). And if I don't rush things I end up forgetting about them and they never get done, so this is my way of pushing myself to make sure I get this project done. Thanks :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you do a Google of - two part epoxy resin - then click on the Shopping > link, you'll see lots of hits for products although some will not be what > you are looking for. They sell this type of product for everything from > sealing wood on decks, boat repair, surfboard building and repair, clear > sealing of cement floors like garage floors, roofing sealants, etc. I > scrolled thru the first 50 hits and found these should be suitable > brands/products... so I've done the above homework for you. I was curious > as to how many different product options were out there myself for future > reference in my favorites folder. > > http://tinyurl.com/726tvt <http://tinyurl.com/726tvt> - for below Home > Depot cement sealing products in > various colors and Clear > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Navigation?N=10000003+904 > <http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Navigation?N=10000003+904> > 01+530103&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&Ntk=AllProps > > http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=97939-4-97939 > <http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=97939-4-97939> > - garage floor > > http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=9358 > <http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=9358> - roofing product > > http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/FIB/FIB100643.html > <http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/FIB/FIB100643.html> - fiberglass > boat repair > > http://www.1877floorguy.com/tol900eptwop.html > <http://www.1877floorguy.com/tol900eptwop.html> - flooring/cement sealer > > http://www.aquasuperstore.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=2548 > <http://www.aquasuperstore.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=2548> - cement > pond sealants in several colors including Clear > > http://www.snapspeed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DA0924&Click=1299 > <http://www.snapspeed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DA0924&Click=1299> > - > surfboard product so you can also use the extra foam and resin to make > you a > big board to use for surfing on your tropical Alaskan island. ;-) > > http://www.johnnyspond.com/cui-classic-rod-coat.html > <http://www.johnnyspond.com/cui-classic-rod-coat.html> - Fishing Rod > makers > epoxy sealant.. they should sell this on your tropical Alaskan island. ;-) > > Hopefully, you local hardware will sell one of these types of > products. I'm > thinking the cement sealer but that would be a lot more product than you > need but the fishing rod product and boating product might be > something they > also have up there. The garage floor products also come in colors > including > a sand color that you might be able to work with although the clear > would be > best. > > Also, if there is a boat repair shop on your island, they may have bulk > supplies of this type of product and if you sweet talk one of the > guys, I'm > sure they'd fill up two pint cans with each part of the epoxy from their > larger containers. Your hardware should sell empty pint or quart sized > paint cans real cheap. > > You sure do rush things.. I remember you jumped into the deep end with > both > feet when setting up the 125G and substrate also... and isn't it crooked > now? ;-) Just kidding with you but take your time and don't rush this > project until you have all of the proper products... but I do hope > they have > one of the above or something of suitable use... but if they don't, it's > God's way of telling you to slow down. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > what they > have for my project. > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > (tank is > 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation so I have > more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't decided if > I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would like to. > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", I'm > going to write down the brands specifically that was used on this site, > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions for > something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) before I > spray > paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is cork > bark not > aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the water line in most > projects that I checked. > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and > that > I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check hopefully > tomorrow > after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they close). > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35816	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup anyways. The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it even > thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add some sand to > the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If you think it might > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it with > "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it is > almost as > hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have considered this idea. Also > be sure to leave places for the utillities, heater, filter ins and outs... > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see what > > they have for my project. > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect (tank > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation so I > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't > > decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would > like to. > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", > > I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on > this site, > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions > > for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) before > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is > > cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the water > > line in most projects that I checked. > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and > > that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check hopefully > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they close). > > > > Amber > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35817	From: Nedra	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Thanks to all. I like the mystery snail idea -- I have one of those for an infusorium culture and can just plop him into that 10 gal breeder and let him have at it! I'm going to have to figure something else out for the 50 gal -- as I'm pretty sure the fish would pick relentlessly at him everytime an antennae appeared. Maybe he could learn to sleep during the day and only come out after dark...whatdaya think? I do believe the hydra stung the corydora this morning while I was feeding -- he was rooting around in the corner where the biggest colony is and came zipping out of a thicket of plants spinning and diving --- I thought he was dying!! But once he got clear of them he settled down and began foraging on the bottom again. Must have been somewhat like getting into a hornet's nest for him. The hydras are no longer concentrated at the back corner where the babies were -- Mom moved them a few inches toward the bottom middle of the tank and it appears the hydra colony moved to the front corner of the tank for the most part. I scraped them off with an algae magnet -- not sure if that does any good other than to disperse them into the water where they will eventually latch onto some other surface. Really appreciate the responses and would be very interested in the salt solution for hydra. I REALLY don't want to tear this 50 gal established tank down and I don't want to compromise the plants in any way. I'm thinking worse case, once the fry are gone -- the hydra will starve without the micro food source -- or at least not be such a flourishing colony. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > I was reading in a magazine a few days ago that if you put meds in > the tank the hydra will shut down and not be affected by these meds > but salt in low doses for long periods will rid a tank of these small > animals.They were talking about sow enough doses that will not hurt > fish that don't like salt in their water. I would have to find that > magazine to find out what amount of salt and how long was needed to > get rid of the hydra. Maybe someone in this group knows the amount > that is needed. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > This list of comments from TheKrib have some suggestions on dealing > with > > Hydra in breeding tanks... including simple things like dosing with > Hydrogen > > Peroxide or adding a Mystery Snail... neither will harm your fish > or plants. > > Read the whole page for lots of other tips. > > > > http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/hydra.html > > > > Hydra are likely in any tank with plants unless the plants were > disinfected > > first but they really start to become noticeable in tanks with lots > of fry > > and live fry food swimming around as this is like a smorgasbord for > the > > Hydra. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Nedra > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] I've got hydra! Rather curious > > > > I've got hydra in a heavily planted 10 gal breeding tank. Very > interesting > > -- the hydra showed up when I started feeding live baby brine and > > micro-worms to the free swimming fry. I think they were probably > around all > > the time -- but not in large enough numbers that I could notice > them. > > I was raising Apistogramma Cacatuoides and everything was okay > until I > > removed the parents to another tank and left the free-swimming > babies > > unprotected. (About the size of new born guppies) They disappeared > one by > > one -- I actually saw one spinning in agony before it died. I > think it had > > been stung by a hydra tentacle, but am not sure. > > The interesting thing is I have a pair of Cacatuoides that spawned > in the 55 > > gal show tank a couple of weeks ago-- as soon as I started dropping > newly > > hatched baby brine into the corner the mother had selected to raise > her > > babies, the hydra appeared in this tank too -- attached to the > glass in the > > area where the babies are. The babies are getting quite large - > have been > > free-swimming for about 10 days and none have been lost as far as I > can > > tell, even though they are in very close proximity to the hydra > colony all > > day long. This tank too is heavily planted and also has a large > piece of > > driftwood and large rocks. Driftwood was boiled before adding, so > I'm > > assuming the hydra came in on the plants originally -- there are > other > > micro- organisms darting around too, but I'm not sure what they > are -- maybe > > cyclops... about the size of newly hatched brine but very quick - > not the > > jerking motion of shrimp and daphnia. > > Water parameters are pristine and I change 50% a week. The 50 gal > uses tap > > water but the 10 gal was (and still is) RO. > > I read all your posts on hydra and don't want to use copper or > formaldhyde - > > but am considering using straight tap water in the 10 gal to see if > the > > chlorine and floride would kill the hydra (no fish in this tank > right now). > > One of the posts hinted that chlorine might work and I'm assuming > it won't > > hurt the plants at tap water levels. > > What do you think??? > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35818	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish - trying to ID

Sorry my post came through as unknown in the subject line, I don't know why that was. I have asked my partner if he remembered anything more about this fish beyond being told it was an angelicus. He says that he picked it because it was the only striped fish in its tank and all the other fish of a similar type were spotted. Have been unable to take a photo today as the fish refused to come out from under his driftwood before i had to go to work. Will try again tomorrow. Becki --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Your post came through with "(unknown)" in the subject line so I've changed > it for better following by members. I forget the original name of the > Subject in your first post and I'm not sure why your reply didn't include it > but in either case, NO... a spotted catfish as both of the angelicus species > that I referenced for you will NOT have stripes. Have you ever seen a > spotted tiger? It's still a "cat" but it's not a tiger any more. ;- ) I > guess with cross-breeding, anything is possible but it's not likely. > > There are literally hundreds of fish that match your description so without > a photo, it would take you perusing through dozens or hundreds of catfish > profiles to find yours.. and then you might find several profiles that have > pictures that look just like yours to the untrained eye... like counting the > rays in dorsal fins, etc. Try to take a pic and post it in this groups > photo section or on your own online photo album so we can see your catfish. > > I've always gone to PlanetCatfish or PlecoFanatics for ID'ing catfish/plecos > and even the experts there sometimes have lively debates before coming to a > conclusion... especially on young specimens who are not showing their full > features yet. My thread back in 2005 went on for four pages before the > Pleco grew large enough to show it's full features where they could ID it > properly. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Bee Herd > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > Hi, > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the Synodontis > angelicus,except that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and > our fish has stripes. Does anyone know if these fish can have stripes > instead? > Becki >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35819	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 system". It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35820	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. Carbon Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a high enough concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels like gas, wood, etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your car's muffler to inside your car if things get too bad in the next four years. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrac k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 system". It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35821	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

LOL, thanks Lenny ;) I was awful at science in highschool, hehe. Now has anyone out there gotten this system and have any thoughts on it? It looks more user friendly than the gas ones that you get the canister refilled, but I'm not sure how expensive those are to get refilled either, I know our walmart carries the little one for paintball. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. Carbon > Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a high enough > concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels like gas, wood, > etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your car's muffler to > inside > your car if things get too bad in the next four years. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one > of my > tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other people > thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrac > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrac> > k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > system". > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe for > use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35822	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

Sorry I forgot to say it puts out smoke, how well would that disperse into the water? Would it be best to put it near a filter outtake to help disperse it? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. Carbon > Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a high enough > concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels like gas, wood, > etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your car's muffler to > inside > your car if things get too bad in the next four years. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one > of my > tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other people > thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrac > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMakeTrac> > k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > system". > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe for > use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35823	From: bubblybits	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

Hi again, Our fish looks just like these (identical shape, fins etc.)but where these ones have spots with one or two stripes, our fish has only stripes. The stripes on these fish look like the stripes on ours though... Just wandered into the living room and was able to take a few pictures, although they're not exactly high-quality or clear. You can find them at http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/ if you'd like to take a look. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I just peeked at some of the pictures on the PlanetCatfish profile > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 > > And these did have some stripes on them... > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes that > eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. > brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral stripes. > There are probably others as well. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Bee Herd > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > Hi, > > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the > Synodontis angelicus,except > > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish has > stripes. Does anyone know > > if these fish can have stripes instead? > > Becki > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35824	From: Nedra	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does to plants, if anything. Do you use this treatment in planted tanks?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35825	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: food for guppies

I will be getting some guppies soon, a friend is going to give me a couple when i get the tank cycled right. am curious though to know what besides flakes for tropical fish can a guppie eat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35826	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

If like other CO2 dispensers, you want to limit surface agitation so HOB's aren't the best filters unless you have the water line going all the way up to the water fall. I've seen people use a nylon tie or aquarium silicone to hold a piece of filter floss padding so the waterfall flows into the water with much less surface agitation also. The reason is that if you have much surface agitation, then the CO2 you are trying to buildup in the tank will simply outgas. There are other ways of introducing added CO2 into the water column besides the external CO2 generators. Some people find dosing daily with a product like SeaChem's Flourish Excel http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656 but if you have easy to grow plants, which I think is all you can get up there... and sufficient number of fish, you will normally get enough CO2 from the ecology of the tank, fish breathing, detritus breaking down putting out carbonic acid and CO2, etc. so you may not even need CO2 injection or additives. I've never used any added CO2 in any of my tanks over the years but then I do stick with easy to grow plants. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks Sorry I forgot to say it puts out smoke, how well would that disperse into the water? Would it be best to put it near a filter outtake to help disperse it? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. > Carbon Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a > high enough concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels > like gas, wood, etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your > car's muffler to inside your car if things get too bad in the next > four years. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one > of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other > people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa > keTrac > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > akeTrac> k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > system". > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe > for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35827	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: planted biocube

so i ventured out into the world of live plants and failed badly. my water turned extreemly cloudy and green, there was a lot of floating debris including tiny white wormy looking things, i had no idea what to do to get rid of all the crap in the water, i continuosly rinsed and replaced the fliters, i added an extra filter and extra filter media did constant water changes, I even unplugged everything to keep the water perfectly still and the water never cleared up. I have no idea what i did wrong, so i just cleaned out the tank and started all over with only a few small low light plants that don't seem to be putting out any debris and used plastic for the rest of the decor, so far so good as long as the water stays clear i'll be happy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35828	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish

You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two fancy goldfish into a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API freshwater test kit, and the parameters have been fine. I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the female around. I think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. Anyway, I find that if i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started looking into possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be popeye, as one eye was all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also looked at a site with a "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that won't detach. I only saw it once, but I did see that. So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So I consulted with someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping the marycyn, and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was floating on her side. I took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the aerater. I added a little salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she didn't die, which seemed very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little ruffled, not really like dropsy, but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but tends to just float on her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. So, any suggestions or questions? Thank you, Joanna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35829	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube

If you had little worms in the tank then you were most likely overfeeding the tank. These worms are mostly harmless but they do need food to eat and if yo overfeed the tank yo will feed these worms and they will multiply.I would go easier on the feeding, the fish d not need as much food per body weight as do warm blooded animals because the food is not going into hear production.It is not a bad idea to fast the tank once or twice a week , after all no one goes around in the wild and feeds all of the fishes in the world, they sometimes go for weeks or even months without eating and still be OK. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > so i ventured out into the world of live plants and failed badly. my > water turned extreemly cloudy and green, there was a lot of floating > debris including tiny white wormy looking things, i had no idea what > to do to get rid of all the crap in the water, i continuosly rinsed > and replaced the fliters, i added an extra filter and extra filter > media did constant water changes, I even unplugged everything to keep > the water perfectly still and the water never cleared up. I have no > idea what i did wrong, so i just cleaned out the tank and started all > over with only a few small low light plants that don't seem to be > putting out any debris and used plastic for the rest of the decor, so > far so good as long as the water stays clear i'll be happy >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35830	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube

yeah that could be it, because these fish were kinda slow to react to food in the tank. honestly the worms look like sperm, but for now I don't have fish n the tank as i am cycling it --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > If you had little worms in the tank then you were most likely > overfeeding the tank. These worms are mostly harmless but they do > need food to eat and if yo overfeed the tank yo will feed these worms > and they will multiply.I would go easier on the feeding, the fish d > not need as much food per body weight as do warm blooded animals > because the food is not going into hear production.It is not a bad > idea to fast the tank once or twice a week , after all no one goes > around in the wild and feeds all of the fishes in the world, they > sometimes go for weeks or even months without eating and still be OK. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" > <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > so i ventured out into the world of live plants and failed badly. > my > > water turned extreemly cloudy and green, there was a lot of > floating > > debris including tiny white wormy looking things, i had no idea > what > > to do to get rid of all the crap in the water, i continuosly rinsed > > and replaced the fliters, i added an extra filter and extra filter > > media did constant water changes, I even unplugged everything to > keep > > the water perfectly still and the water never cleared up. I have no > > idea what i did wrong, so i just cleaned out the tank and started > all > > over with only a few small low light plants that don't seem to be > > putting out any debris and used plastic for the rest of the decor, > so > > far so good as long as the water stays clear i'll be happy > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35831	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish

That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not positive without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming up or down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you took her out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. Amber olesonjo wrote: > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > fancy goldfish into > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > freshwater test kit, and the > parameters have been fine. > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the > female around. I > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. > Anyway, I find that if > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started > looking into > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > popeye, as one eye was > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also > looked at a site with a > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that > won't detach. I only > saw it once, but I did see that. > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So > I consulted with > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > the marycyn, > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > floating on her side. I > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > aerater. I added a little > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > didn't die, which seemed > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but > tends to just float on > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > Thank you, > Joanna > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35832	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: food for guppies

I feed mine frozen mysis shrimp, frozen bloodworms, and frozen brine shrimp. I don't feed those every day, I mix in the omega one flake food too. Just remember they have small mouths ;) Lenny has great links for home made meals (they are based for gold fish but you can always adjust it a little for different fish), if you like to know exactly what your fish are eating and want to make it yourself. I have also fed my fish the insides of peas now and then to help clean out their system (I have betta's and it helps for constipation), my dwarf gourami loves peas, LOL. But with all food, if the fish leave it sitting there for too long make sure to remove it from the tank as it can be harmful. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > I will be getting some guppies soon, a friend is going to give me a > couple when i get the tank cycled right. am curious though to know > what besides flakes for tropical fish can a guppie eat > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35833	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt and usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have recovered from using the recommended doses for treating ich with salt/heat. I currently have a low dose of salt still left in my tank from the treatment and my plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of salt in my 10 gallon tank with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect the plants at all. I don't have any snails (yet, but I want to get some in the future), but I know that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? Hope this helps :) Amber Nedra wrote: > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does > to plants, if anything. > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35834	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

I had a small amount of salt in a guppy tank that contained a snail. I do not remember the amount of salt now, it was a minimal amount. The snail lived through it and grew into a nice big snail who was eaten by my goldfish about a year after I moved it to her tank.   Deb P. --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:29 PM Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt and usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have recovered from using the recommended doses for treating ich with salt/heat. I currently have a low dose of salt still left in my tank from the treatment and my plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of salt in my 10 gallon tank with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect the plants at all. I don't have any snails (yet, but I want to get some in the future), but I know that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? Hope this helps :) Amber Nedra wrote: > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does > to plants, if anything. > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Bad goldfish! LOL. I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to get some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite color, just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big tank as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them (severum and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon with the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami and betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full grown is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those two can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish will eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are my main concern ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I had a small amount of salt in a guppy tank that contained a snail. I > do not remember the amount of salt now, it was a minimal amount. The > snail lived through it and grew into a nice big snail who was eaten > by my goldfish about a year after I moved it to her tank. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:29 PM > > Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned > this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow > plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt and > usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have recovered from > using the recommended doses for treating ich with salt/heat. I currently > have a low dose of salt still left in my tank from the treatment and my > plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of salt in my 10 gallon tank > with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect the plants at all. I don't > have any snails (yet, but I want to get some in the future), but I know > that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). > Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? > Hope this helps :) > Amber > > Nedra wrote: > > > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does > > to plants, if anything. > > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35836	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish

I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on her side. She was practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some faint movement of her mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. I thought there might have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I move the line for the bubbler, she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she just floats on the top. Each time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still breathing and flipping her fins a little. I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the peeled pea, but she won't eat it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. Thank you. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not positive > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming up or > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you took her > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > Amber > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > fancy goldfish into > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > freshwater test kit, and the > > parameters have been fine. > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the > > female around. I > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. > > Anyway, I find that if > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started > > looking into > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > popeye, as one eye was > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also > > looked at a site with a > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that > > won't detach. I only > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So > > I consulted with > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > the marycyn, > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > floating on her side. I > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > aerater. I added a little > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > didn't die, which seemed > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but > > tends to just float on > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > Thank you, > > Joanna > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35837	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

If it helps, my betta did not go after any of the the snails he lived with. Actually, I think all 4 of he bettas I have had lived with snails at one time or another.   I hope you get your purple snail. I want to see pictures when you get it! I love purple, too. : )  Let me know if it works with the Dwarf Gouramis.   Deb --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:03 PM Bad goldfish! LOL. I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to get some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite color, just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big tank as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them (severum and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon with the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami and betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full grown is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those two can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish will eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are my main concern ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I had a small amount of salt in a guppy tank that contained a snail. I > do not remember the amount of salt now, it was a minimal amount. The > snail lived through it and grew into a nice big snail who was eaten > by my goldfish about a year after I moved it to her tank. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:29 PM > > Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned > this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow > plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt and > usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have recovered from > using the recommended doses for treating ich with salt/heat. I currently > have a low dose of salt still left in my tank from the treatment and my > plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of salt in my 10 gallon tank > with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect the plants at all. I don't > have any snails (yet, but I want to get some in the future), but I know > that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). > Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? > Hope this helps :) > Amber > > Nedra wrote: > > > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does > > to plants, if anything. > > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35838	From: mike ask n i might tell u my lastname	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: hi need some help

hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance for the help.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35839	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

Well so far I have easy to grow plants, but was looking at ordering some harder to grow plants or asking my LFS to order some. Perhaps I should wait until I figure out what kind I want I guess ;) LOL. I have noticed that my sword (I'd have to go find out which kind it is), is growing new leaves rather nicely, it's the same plant that the angel fish have picked to guard as their egg laying spot ;). I have some plants that also melted and are growing back, which I'm happy to see, I didn't remove them just because I wasn't sure if they would grow back or not, and now that the salt content has been lowered with several PWC's the plants are filling out rather nicely. I have flourish excel on hand, I haven't added it since the time it melted my bunch plant (I think it was cabomba, I'd have to check back to see though, I didn't replace it though). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If like other CO2 dispensers, you want to limit surface agitation so HOB's > aren't the best filters unless you have the water line going all the > way up > to the water fall. I've seen people use a nylon tie or aquarium > silicone to > hold a piece of filter floss padding so the waterfall flows into the water > with much less surface agitation also. The reason is that if you have much > surface agitation, then the CO2 you are trying to buildup in the tank will > simply outgas. There are other ways of introducing added CO2 into the > water > column besides the external CO2 generators. Some people find dosing daily > with a product like SeaChem's Flourish Excel > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656> > but if > you have easy to grow plants, which I think is all you can get up there... > and sufficient number of fish, you will normally get enough CO2 from the > ecology of the tank, fish breathing, detritus breaking down putting out > carbonic acid and CO2, etc. so you may not even need CO2 injection or > additives. I've never used any added CO2 in any of my tanks over the years > but then I do stick with easy to grow plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Sorry I forgot to say it puts out smoke, how well would that disperse into > the water? Would it be best to put it near a filter outtake to help > disperse > it? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. > > Carbon Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a > > high enough concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels > > like gas, wood, etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your > > car's muffler to inside your car if things get too bad in the next > > four years. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least one > > of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what other > > people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa> > > keTrac > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM> > > akeTrac> k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > > system". > > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was safe > > for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35840	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like that), and one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for sale" sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too instead of waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in sick fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against the gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of all of them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving very slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I swear, LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try to treat him. They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red stripe on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they were new additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted to wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank has guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get fish from sometimes :( Amber bubblybits wrote: > > Hi again, > Our fish looks just like these (identical shape, fins etc.)but where > these ones have spots with one or two stripes, our fish has only > stripes. The stripes on these fish look like the stripes on ours > though... > > Just wandered into the living room and was able to take a few > pictures, although they're not exactly high-quality or clear. You can > find them at http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/ > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/> if you'd like > to take a look. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I just peeked at some of the pictures on the PlanetCatfish profile > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278> > > > > And these did have some stripes on them... > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913> > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415> > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes > that > > eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. > > brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral > stripes. > > There are probably others as well. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Bee Herd > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > > > Hi, > > > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the > > Synodontis angelicus,except > > > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish > has > > stripes. Does anyone know > > > if these fish can have stripes instead? > > > Becki > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35841	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish

So is the 20 gallon fully cycled with 0 ammonia/nitrite and low nitrates? Also do you have live plants in the tank? How long was she in the 20 gallon before she was found floating? Are you positive that it can't be dropsy? If her scales stick out at all I would have to lean towards dropsy as I haven't seen any other illnesses listed on sites that say the scales stick out as a symptom. Behavorial signs listed say "Lethargy, lack of appetite, grave constitutional signs". The picture of the goldfish with dropsy doesn't look like it's really that bad compared to the other fish shown, perhaps your goldfish just has a slight case of dropsy or the scales are just not sticking out as far for some reason. Not all fish looks the exact same with dropsy in the photos I have seen, some are not as severe looking as others. It mostly states that water quality causes it from what I'm reading on Pandora's aquarium. http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease.html#Dropsy I hope it's not dropsy, considering it's usually fatal. :( Amber olesonjo wrote: > > I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on her > side. She was > practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some faint > movement of her > mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. I > thought there might > have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. > > She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I > move the line for the bubbler, > she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she just > floats on the top. Each > time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still > breathing and flipping her fins a > little. > I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the peeled > pea, but she won't eat > it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. > > Thank you. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not > positive > > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming up or > > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you took > her > > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > > > Amber > > > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > > fancy goldfish into > > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > > freshwater test kit, and the > > > parameters have been fine. > > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing > the > > > female around. I > > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. > > > Anyway, I find that if > > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started > > > looking into > > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > > popeye, as one eye was > > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also > > > looked at a site with a > > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that > > > won't detach. I only > > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So > > > I consulted with > > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > > the marycyn, > > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > > floating on her side. I > > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > > aerater. I added a little > > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > > didn't die, which seemed > > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but > > > tends to just float on > > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. > > > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35842	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died

Well, I don't know what is was, but I didn't have much hope. She just died. :( Thanks, --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "olesonjo" <olesonjo@...> wrote: > > I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on her side. She was > practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some faint movement of her > mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. I thought there might > have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. > > She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I move the line for the bubbler, > she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she just floats on the top. Each > time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still breathing and flipping her fins a > little. > I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the peeled pea, but she won't eat > it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. > > Thank you. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not positive > > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming up or > > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you took her > > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > > > Amber > > > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > > fancy goldfish into > > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > > freshwater test kit, and the > > > parameters have been fine. > > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the > > > female around. I > > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. > > > Anyway, I find that if > > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started > > > looking into > > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > > popeye, as one eye was > > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also > > > looked at a site with a > > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that > > > won't detach. I only > > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So > > > I consulted with > > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > > the marycyn, > > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > > floating on her side. I > > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > > aerater. I added a little > > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > > didn't die, which seemed > > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but > > > tends to just float on > > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. > > > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35843	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35844	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Loaches are one of the fish that love to eat snails so you might wish to rethink about putting the snails in with the loaches. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Bad goldfish! LOL. > I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to get > some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite color, > just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big tank > as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them (severum > and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon with > the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami and > betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full grown > is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those two > can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish will > eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are my > main concern ;) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35845	From: William	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a > couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like that), and > one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible > fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for sale" > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too instead of > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in sick > fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against the > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of all of > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving very > slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I swear, > LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try to > treat him. > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red stripe > on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they were new > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted to > wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank has > guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get fish > from sometimes :( > There might be local breeders around you. Have yo gone to any aquarium club meetings and asked abut people that breed fish? You might be surprised at how many people do indeed breed fish all over the country.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35846	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Reticulated hillstream loaches are sucker fish, they mostly eat algae and such. I know that a lot of other types eat snails but I don't think hillstream loaches do... not that I've read anywhere at least, but they're still fairly new to the hobby. Amber William wrote: > > Loaches are one of the fish that love to eat snails so you might wish > to rethink about putting the snails in with the loaches. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Bad goldfish! LOL. > > I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to > get > > some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite > color, > > just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big > tank > > as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them > (severum > > and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon > with > > the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami > and > > betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full > grown > > is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those > two > > can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish > will > > eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are > my > > main concern ;) > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

I'm on an island in Alaska, we're a bit isolated for things such as fish groups ;) We do have a parrot group or something though, they get together with all their birds once a year, I haven't joined as of yet. Amber William wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a > > couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like > that), and > > one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible > > fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for > sale" > > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too > instead of > > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in > sick > > fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against > the > > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of > all of > > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving > very > > slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I > swear, > > LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try > to > > treat him. > > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red > stripe > > on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they > were new > > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted > to > > wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank > has > > guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get > fish > > from sometimes :( > > > > There might be local breeders around you. Have yo gone to any > aquarium club meetings and asked abut people that breed fish? You > might be surprised at how many people do indeed breed fish all over > the country. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35848	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died

I am sorry to learn you lost your fish. It sounds like you really tried hard to help her and I am sure she knew you were trying.   Deb P. --- On Fri, 1/16/09, olesonjo <olesonjo@...> wrote: From: olesonjo <olesonjo@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:32 PM Well, I don't know what is was, but I didn't have much hope. She just died. :( Thanks, --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "olesonjo" <olesonjo@.. .> wrote: > > I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on her side. She was > practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some faint movement of her > mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. I thought there might > have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. > > She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I move the line for the bubbler, > she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she just floats on the top. Each > time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still breathing and flipping her fins a > little. > I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the peeled pea, but she won't eat > it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. > > Thank you. > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not positive > > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming up or > > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you took her > > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > > > Amber > > > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > > fancy goldfish into > > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > > freshwater test kit, and the > > > parameters have been fine. > > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the > > > female around. I > > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. > > > Anyway, I find that if > > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started > > > looking into > > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > > popeye, as one eye was > > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also > > > looked at a site with a > > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that > > > won't detach. I only > > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So > > > I consulted with > > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > > the marycyn, > > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > > floating on her side. I > > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > > aerater. I added a little > > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > > didn't die, which seemed > > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but > > > tends to just float on > > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. > > > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35849	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died

I always feel really sad for my fish when they die, I always feel like I failed somehow, no matter how hard I tried to help them. It's hard for me to scoop them out, especially if it's a favorite fish or something, although I know I can't leave them in there dead of course. I've asked the hubby to scoop them on occasion, LOL. I'm sorry for your loss and I sympathize, it's hard to lose your fish when you get attached to them. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I am sorry to learn you lost your fish. It sounds like you really > tried hard to help her and I am sure she knew you were trying. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, olesonjo <olesonjo@... > <mailto:olesonjo%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: olesonjo <olesonjo@... <mailto:olesonjo%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:32 PM > > Well, I don't know what is was, but I didn't have much hope. She just > died. :( > Thanks, > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "olesonjo" <olesonjo@.. .> wrote: > > > > I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on > her side. She was > > practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some > faint movement of her > > mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. > I thought there might > > have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. > > > > She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I > move the line for the > bubbler, > > she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she > just floats on the top. > Each > > time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still > breathing and flipping her > fins a > > little. > > I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the > peeled pea, but she won't > eat > > it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not > positive > > > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming > up or > > > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you > took her > > > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > > > fancy goldfish into > > > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > > > freshwater test kit, and the > > > > parameters have been fine. > > > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started > chasing the > > > > female around. I > > > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon > enough. > > > > Anyway, I find that if > > > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I > started > > > > looking into > > > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > > > popeye, as one eye was > > > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I > also > > > > looked at a site with a > > > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands > that > > > > won't detach. I only > > > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two > days. So > > > > I consulted with > > > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > > > the marycyn, > > > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > > > floating on her side. I > > > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > > > aerater. I added a little > > > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > > > didn't die, which seemed > > > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, > but > > > > tends to just float on > > > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating > at all. > > > > > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35850	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

I wasn't very clear. Actually I was saying that I use a tsp per gallon. I don't actually know what will kill hydra, but that is a common amount of salt people add to aquariums. So I think is 1 tsp per five gallons. I think they may both discourage protozoa. Which are smaller than hydras. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nedra" <terrierlover2002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does to plants, if anything. Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35851	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: scratches in arylic tank

Hi everyone, I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. Thanks for any help you can offer. Feeling a bit foolish, Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35852	From: Chris	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: fish loss question

I have a 16g bowfront, temp 72, running a 30g rated penguin biowheel, gravel, plastic plants, fish occupants 6 in pleco (i know he is getting too big) 2 cory cats, 1 Lfzebra danio, 2 platy (now), 2 molly(now)and 1 swordtail (now).......I say now on some because since christmas I have lost 1 platy, one swordtail, and tonight a molly....... I tested with my API kit....ph6.8, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate slight less than 5, ammonia 0ppm........ Question is what caused 3 deaths in such a short time? THe swortail and the molly were within a week......The mail swordtail now looks like his spine may be curving.....Is there anything I can do to help this tank? What about the swordtail? Thanks in advance, Christine

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35853	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question

When was your last PWC and filter cleaning? Does the water smell "icky"? I have a glofish danio with a curved spine, it's called fish tuberculosis on Pandora's aquarium. My danio doesn't seem too bothered by it, still eating and active, although last month when it first happened I did a good filter and tank cleaning to get the tank cleaner (the site says to improve water quality). It also says that it's difficult to treat and to try a strong antibiotic such as kanamycin sulfate or streptomycin. Check out the pics on the site and see if it looks like what's happening to your fish. http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease.html#TB Not sure why anything else it dead, but thought I'd give what help I could. Amber Chris wrote: > > I have a 16g bowfront, temp 72, running a 30g rated penguin biowheel, > gravel, plastic plants, fish occupants 6 in pleco (i know he is getting > too big) 2 cory cats, 1 Lfzebra danio, 2 platy (now), 2 molly(now)and 1 > swordtail (now).......I say now on some because since christmas I have > lost 1 platy, one swordtail, and tonight a molly....... > I tested with my API kit....ph6.8, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate slight less > than 5, ammonia 0ppm........ > Question is what caused 3 deaths in such a short time? THe swortail and > the molly were within a week......The mail swordtail now looks like his > spine may be curving.....Is there anything I can do to help this tank? > What about the swordtail? > Thanks in advance, > Christine > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube

You do have to be careful when buying plants so that you know what you are buying and that they are truly aquatic plants and you have sufficient lighting, etc., to maintain the plants. Many pet stores will sell several species of bog plants as if they are aquatic plants and these will die rather quickly when fully submerged full time. Before buying any, look at them closely, get the names for what the store is calling them and then check out the links at PlantGeek.net for their Easy and Very Easy listing of plants to make sure the plants you are considering are one of those.. which gives you a much better chance at success. Mondo Grass is one common plant sold as aquatic plants but they are not aquatic at all and will die off rather quickly. There are also crypts that will often suffer from crypt melt when they are moved so that the leaves literally melt/deteriorate completely but then the plant will usually grow back so as you see a leaf melting, just snip it close to the crown and remove the melting leaves so they do not foul your water. Check out my blog article on "Planted Tank - So You Want A Planted Tank" for links to the most helpful beginner sites that I've found and information on disinfecting your new plants so you lower the risk of bringing in a pathogen. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] planted biocube so i ventured out into the world of live plants and failed badly. my water turned extreemly cloudy and green, there was a lot of floating debris including tiny white wormy looking things, i had no idea what to do to get rid of all the crap in the water, i continuosly rinsed and replaced the fliters, i added an extra filter and extra filter media did constant water changes, I even unplugged everything to keep the water perfectly still and the water never cleared up. I have no idea what i did wrong, so i just cleaned out the tank and started all over with only a few small low light plants that don't seem to be putting out any debris and used plastic for the rest of the decor, so far so good as long as the water stays clear i'll be happy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish

I see in a follow-up email that your goldfish didn't make it... sorry to hear that... but I wanted to at least comment on some of the info in your first post. Keeping the water temperature constant will lessen their chasing/mating behavior. If the water gets cool, then warms up, this mimics "spring is in the air" mating behavior so when doing PWC's, try to have the incoming water as close as possible to the tank temperature. I only use cold water when filling my tanks as the hot water heater makes changes to the water chemistry so when I'm refilling my goldfish tank this time of year when the cold water out the tap is much colder, I have a heater in the goldfish tank set at the normal temperature of around 74-75F and then I only refill the tank at a very slow rate... maybe a 1/4" stream... so that the heater can keep up with the incoming cold water and raise it to the 74-75F. I do not do this as much to inhibit mating behavior as I have two males but mainly to limit stress on the fish. For indoor kept goldfish who are not used to temperature swings of 20F+ like outdoor goldfish, changing their tank temp too quickly can cause stress and immune system issues which can then make a fish more susceptible to things they would normally be able to fend off more easily. Being chased by the male is also a stressor which can then cause health issues. I'm not sure who you are "consulting" with for your medical advice but two different colored eyes has absolutely nothing to do with Pop-Eye and the poop diagnosis doesn't seem to be correct either. I've had many goldfish over the years with different colored eyes.... even with the right and left eyes being different colors. It's just part of the mixed up genetics that many fancy goldfish suffer from due to all the inbreeding that's taken place to develop many of the fancy traits. Long strands of poop that will not detach do not mean sickness.. it could simply mean over feeding or certain foods will also do this. Here's a simple poop diagnosis page for goldfish - http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/GoldfishPoop.html And a long forum thread which includes poop pics... http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2364 Any of these symptoms should be further discussed with experienced goldfish keepers in one of the many forums, including this one, before jumping to any conclusion for what is the right procedure for nearly any fish illness that is not easily diagnosed such as something like Ich. I'm not sure how small of a bowl you put her in but a bowl of water would have to be have partial water changes done a few times a day if there is not a cycled filter running on it or the ammonia could build up to toxic levels quickly depending on the water parameters. The swelling could be due to constipation which could also be a reason for the poop and the loss of appetite. Likely, all that needed to be done was to put a separator in the 20G to give the female some rest. Keep the water quality up and I don't think you needed the Maracyn TC, I NEVER use Stress-this or Slime-that type products as these will often cause a fish to excrete excessive slime coat and some of the chemicals in those product might inhibit gill function which is not good for an already tired fish. A little salt... a pinch per 10G will provide enough chloride to the water to improve gill function which is OK for stressed fish... but only a pinch, not larger amounts that should be reserved for more serious issues. The good news out of all of this is you now have a single goldfish in a 20G tank which still isn't large enough for a fancy goldfish but at least it's a 100% improvement for the one fish compared to when you had two of them in the 20G. Always try to look at the glass as half full, not half empty. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of olesonjo Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Update on 55g tank/testing kit/ sick fish You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two fancy goldfish into a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API freshwater test kit, and the parameters have been fine. I had to take the male out a few times as he again started chasing the female around. I think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon enough. Anyway, I find that if i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I started looking into possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be popeye, as one eye was all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I also looked at a site with a "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands that won't detach. I only saw it once, but I did see that. So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two days. So I consulted with someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping the marycyn, and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was floating on her side. I took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the aerater. I added a little salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she didn't die, which seemed very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little ruffled, not really like dropsy, but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, but tends to just float on her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating at all. So, any suggestions or questions? Thank you, Joanna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35856	From: olesonjo	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died

Thank you Amber and Deb. Yes, I feel terrible, and guilty. I am just learning, and of course have made mistakes. As usual, I asked the wrong people. I tried to find a vet that could help me this afternoon, and there are none around in this area. I finally called a place called Fishtopia, and he had no suggestions. I just have one fish left now. I will probably feel better in a few days, but right now, I feel like I want to give away both tanks and the fish. Thank you both for your kind words. I did really try. I don't know if she knew, but it is nice that you said that. It did seem that when I was near the bowl, she perked up a little. I've had them for almost three years. Someone moved out of an apartment of my landlord's and abandonned them and I "rescued" them. Since both my dogs died ( at ages 14 and 15), they have been the only living creatures here with me. (it sounds sad, I don't mean it that way, it is just that I did get really attached to them. People sort of laugh, but you must know what I mean. They become a big part of your life ( not to mention a big part of your living room with a 55g tank) I don't know what to do with her. I did take her out. I put her in the freezer for now. She was so beautiful, Calico with an extraordinarily fabuous tail. About three inches in total. Thanks, Joanna --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I always feel really sad for my fish when they die, I always feel like I > failed somehow, no matter how hard I tried to help them. It's hard for > me to scoop them out, especially if it's a favorite fish or something, > although I know I can't leave them in there dead of course. I've asked > the hubby to scoop them on occasion, LOL. > I'm sorry for your loss and I sympathize, it's hard to lose your fish > when you get attached to them. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > I am sorry to learn you lost your fish. It sounds like you really > > tried hard to help her and I am sure she knew you were trying. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, olesonjo <olesonjo@... > > <mailto:olesonjo%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > From: olesonjo <olesonjo@... <mailto:olesonjo%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Update on 55g tank/ sick fish died > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:32 PM > > > > Well, I don't know what is was, but I didn't have much hope. She just > > died. :( > > Thanks, > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "olesonjo" <olesonjo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > I just took her out of the 20 gal today when I saw her floating on > > her side. She was > > > practically listless. I thought she was dead, but then saw some > > faint movement of her > > > mouth and gills. I put her in some clean water, and added the salt. > > I thought there might > > > have been a problem somehow in the 20 gal. > > > > > > She is doing better, but is still very tired. She just floats. If I > > move the line for the > > bubbler, > > > she will straighten up and swim a little, but other than that she > > just floats on the top. > > Each > > > time I look at her, I think she has died, but no, she is still > > breathing and flipping her > > fins a > > > little. > > > I thought it might be the swim bladder, that's why i tried the > > peeled pea, but she won't > > eat > > > it or anything. I'm thinking I should start the marycyn again. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That almost sounds like a swim bladder issue to me, but I'm not > > positive > > > > without seeing the fish in person. Does she have trouble swimming > > up or > > > > down in the tank or does she just seem very tired? How come you > > took her > > > > out of the 20 gallon? I'm just curious. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > olesonjo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may or may not remember, but a while back I was moving my two > > > > > fancy goldfish into > > > > > a 55 gal tank. I made the move, and all went well. I got the API > > > > > freshwater test kit, and the > > > > > parameters have been fine. > > > > > I had to take the male out a few times as he again started > > chasing the > > > > > female around. I > > > > > think it stressed her out, and I may not have noticed it soon > > enough. > > > > > Anyway, I find that if > > > > > i keep the temperature lower, he is less aggressive. > > > > > > > > > > But, she started hanging out at the bottom of the tank. So I > > started > > > > > looking into > > > > > possibilies. I consulted with someone and we thought it might be > > > > > popeye, as one eye was > > > > > all black with a white rim, and one didn't have the white rim. I > > also > > > > > looked at a site with a > > > > > "poop diagnosis" and she seemed to fit the one with long strands > > that > > > > > won't detach. I only > > > > > saw it once, but I did see that. > > > > > > > > > > So, I started Marycyn t-c. but there was no change after two > > days. So > > > > > I consulted with > > > > > someone who was supposed to know more, and she recommended stopping > > > > > the marycyn, > > > > > and just giving her stress-coat for a few days. Well, today she was > > > > > floating on her side. I > > > > > took her out of the 20 gal, and put her in a smaller bowl, with the > > > > > aerater. I added a little > > > > > salt, and she seems to be doing a slight bit better. At least she > > > > > didn't die, which seemed > > > > > very likely at the point of transfer. Her scales seem a little > > > > > ruffled, not really like dropsy, > > > > > but just not all smooth. She can straighten herself up and swim, > > but > > > > > tends to just float on > > > > > her side. Her little fins are moving, and she is less collapsed. > > > > > > > > > > I peeled a few green peas, but she is not interested in eating > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > So, any suggestions or questions? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > Joanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35857	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: planted biocube

Are you fishless cycling using plain ammonia? While it might be OK to start off with a few plants in a fishless cycling, it's actually going to slow down the process (unless the plants came from a cycled tank where they might have some nitrifying bacteria living on them). The plants would start using some of the ammonia that you want to feed to your nitrifying bacteria so it will take you longer to grow a full sized colony of nitrifying bacteria.. unless the plants had some to help seed your system. The worms that William was referencing were probably planaria but they are not likely to happen in a newly established tank unless you happened to get some with some transplanted substrate with the plants. Planaria normally happen in tanks that have an excess of detritus in the gravel due to overfeeding the fish and/or not vacuuming the gravel sufficiently enough when doing tank maintenance.. or not doing tank maintenance often enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: planted biocube yeah that could be it, because these fish were kinda slow to react to food in the tank. honestly the worms look like sperm, but for now I don't have fish n the tank as i am cycling it --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > If you had little worms in the tank then you were most likely > overfeeding the tank. These worms are mostly harmless but they do need > food to eat and if yo overfeed the tank yo will feed these worms > and they will multiply.I would go easier on the feeding, the fish d > not need as much food per body weight as do warm blooded animals > because the food is not going into hear production.It is not a bad > idea to fast the tank once or twice a week , after all no one goes > around in the wild and feeds all of the fishes in the world, they > sometimes go for weeks or even months without eating and still be OK. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" > <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > so i ventured out into the world of live plants and failed badly. > my > > water turned extreemly cloudy and green, there was a lot of > floating > > debris including tiny white wormy looking things, i had no idea > what > > to do to get rid of all the crap in the water, i continuosly rinsed > > and replaced the fliters, i added an extra filter and extra filter > > media did constant water changes, I even unplugged everything to > keep > > the water perfectly still and the water never cleared up. I have no > > idea what i did wrong, so i just cleaned out the tank and started > all > > over with only a few small low light plants that don't seem to be > > putting out any debris and used plastic for the rest of the decor, > so > > far so good as long as the water stays clear i'll be happy > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Most of the pet snails can tolerate (note word.. tolerate) the lower treatment levels of salt of 0.1% (1 teaspoon per gallon) but it's not good for them. With higher treatment levels, it's best to move snails and plants to a FW tank or better yet... move the sick fish to a treatment tank for the salt, medicine, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt and usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have recovered from using the recommended doses for treating ich with salt/heat. I currently have a low dose of salt still left in my tank from the treatment and my plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of salt in my 10 gallon tank with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect the plants at all. I don't have any snails (yet, but I want to get some in the future), but I know that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? Hope this helps :) Amber Nedra wrote: > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt does > to plants, if anything. > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35859	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Many loach species are prolific snail eaters so you may not be able to have them.. but I'm not sure on the Hillstream loaches so read up on them with snails. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious Bad goldfish! LOL. I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to get some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite color, just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big tank as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them (severum and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon with the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami and betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full grown is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those two can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish will eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are my main concern ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I had a small amount of salt in a guppy tank that contained a snail. I > do not remember the amount of salt now, it was a minimal amount. The > snail lived through it and grew into a nice big snail who was eaten by > my goldfish about a year after I moved it to her tank. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:29 PM > > Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned > this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow > plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt > and usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have > recovered from using the recommended doses for treating ich with > salt/heat. I currently have a low dose of salt still left in my tank > from the treatment and my plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of > salt in my 10 gallon tank with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect > the plants at all. I don't have any snails (yet, but I want to get > some in the future), but I know that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). > Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? > Hope this helps :) > Amber > > Nedra wrote: > > > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt > > does to plants, if anything. > > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35860	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious

Bettas, Gouramis and many other carnivorous/omnivorous fish will go after baby snails if you train them to like the snails by smooshing the snail on the glass... but once the shell is hard enough and the snail large enough, then smaller fish pretty much leave them alone. My goldfish would sometimes harass the mystery snails tentacles but only because goldfish will try to eat anything that fits in their mouth and eventually they learned to leave the snails tentacles alone.. and the snail learned to zip in his tentacles whenever a goldfish came near. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious If it helps, my betta did not go after any of the the snails he lived with. Actually, I think all 4 of he bettas I have had lived with snails at one time or another.   I hope you get your purple snail. I want to see pictures when you get it! I love purple, too. : )  Let me know if it works with the Dwarf Gouramis.   Deb --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:03 PM Bad goldfish! LOL. I have yet to have snails in any of my freshwater tanks. I want to get some of the purple mystery snails though (purple is my favorite color, just can't resist 'em, LOL), I will probably not put them in my big tank as I worry that my bigger fish might try to make a meal of them (severum and 2 angel's namely), so I will probably keep them in my 55 gallon with the loaches. I read that a few of my fish will eat snails (gourami and betta for sure), but my gourami is a dwarf and my betta while full grown is still a small fish so if the mystery snails are big enough those two can't do much harm. I'm just not sure if the severum or angel fish will eat snails and since they are the biggest fish in the tank they are my main concern ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I had a small amount of salt in a guppy tank that contained a snail. I > do not remember the amount of salt now, it was a minimal amount. The > snail lived through it and grew into a nice big snail who was eaten by > my goldfish about a year after I moved it to her tank. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% > 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I've got hydra! Rather curious > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:29 PM > > Okay salt in planted tanks can be harmful if you use a lot, I learned > this the hard way with my ich treatment, but most of the easy to grow > plants like the anubias will not have too many issues with the salt > and usually pull through the treatment. All of my plants have > recovered from using the recommended doses for treating ich with > salt/heat. I currently have a low dose of salt still left in my tank > from the treatment and my plants seem just fine. I also have 1 TBS of > salt in my 10 gallon tank with guppy fry and it didn't seem to affect > the plants at all. I don't have any snails (yet, but I want to get > some in the future), but I know that salt kills snails (and slugs! LOL). > Is any amount of salt harmful for snails? > Hope this helps :) > Amber > > Nedra wrote: > > > > Dora, are you saying that a tsp. of salt per gallon will kill the > > hydra? That sounds like a very safe level. I'll try that if the > > mystery snail doesn't do the job in the 10 gal. I would remove him > > first of course. I'll be curious to see what that amount of salt > > does to plants, if anything. > > Do you use this treatment in planted tanks? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35861	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

Yeah.. I should mention that whenever talking about Excel.. that it can adversely affect plants like Anacharis and some others. These should be mentioned in the Excel instructions. Unless you are really planning a lavishly planted tank like those in some magazine photos, you probably won't need CO2 injection but if you do want a lavishly planted tank, then you can consider it but with your natural Walstad type substrate in your big tank, it should put out enough CO2 to keep your plants happy along with the rest of the tanks ecology. There's a NICE article about CO2 (part 1) in the current TFH magazine if you want to read a lot more about CO2 than the links I previously posted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks Well so far I have easy to grow plants, but was looking at ordering some harder to grow plants or asking my LFS to order some. Perhaps I should wait until I figure out what kind I want I guess ;) LOL. I have noticed that my sword (I'd have to go find out which kind it is), is growing new leaves rather nicely, it's the same plant that the angel fish have picked to guard as their egg laying spot ;). I have some plants that also melted and are growing back, which I'm happy to see, I didn't remove them just because I wasn't sure if they would grow back or not, and now that the salt content has been lowered with several PWC's the plants are filling out rather nicely. I have flourish excel on hand, I haven't added it since the time it melted my bunch plant (I think it was cabomba, I'd have to check back to see though, I didn't replace it though). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If like other CO2 dispensers, you want to limit surface agitation so > HOB's aren't the best filters unless you have the water line going all > the way up to the water fall. I've seen people use a nylon tie or > aquarium silicone to hold a piece of filter floss padding so the > waterfall flows into the water with much less surface agitation also. > The reason is that if you have much surface agitation, then the CO2 > you are trying to buildup in the tank will simply outgas. There are > other ways of introducing added CO2 into the water column besides the > external CO2 generators. Some people find dosing daily with a product > like SeaChem's Flourish Excel > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656> > but if > you have easy to grow plants, which I think is all you can get up there... > and sufficient number of fish, you will normally get enough CO2 from > the ecology of the tank, fish breathing, detritus breaking down > putting out carbonic acid and CO2, etc. so you may not even need CO2 > injection or additives. I've never used any added CO2 in any of my > tanks over the years but then I do stick with easy to grow plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Sorry I forgot to say it puts out smoke, how well would that disperse > into the water? Would it be best to put it near a filter outtake to > help disperse it? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. > > Carbon Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a > > high enough concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels > > like gas, wood, etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your > > car's muffler to inside your car if things get too bad in the next > > four years. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least > > one of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what > > other people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > a> > > keTrac > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > > > > akeTrac> k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > > system". > > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was > > safe for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35862	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

You still need to quarantine no matter where they come from... so get some more 10G tanks from WallyWorld. Isn't there room on the coffee table and on the kitchen counter? What about the back of the toilet? Or go vertical with them so the 2x2" vertical frame only takes up the floor space of a single 10G and you could do a corner rack to fill in that corner where you have the silk ficus tree. LOL ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown)) Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like that), and one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for sale" sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too instead of waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in sick fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against the gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of all of them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving very slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I swear, LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try to treat him. They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red stripe on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they were new additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted to wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank has guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get fish from sometimes :( Amber bubblybits wrote: > > Hi again, > Our fish looks just like these (identical shape, fins etc.)but where > these ones have spots with one or two stripes, our fish has only > stripes. The stripes on these fish look like the stripes on ours > though... > > Just wandered into the living room and was able to take a few > pictures, although they're not exactly high-quality or clear. You can > find them at http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/ > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/> if you'd like to take a > look. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I just peeked at some of the pictures on the PlanetCatfish profile > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278> > > > > And these did have some stripes on them... > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913> > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415> > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes > that > > eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. > > brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral > stripes. > > There are probably others as well. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Bee Herd > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > > > Hi, > > > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the > > Synodontis angelicus,except > > > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish > has > > stripes. Does anyone know > > > if these fish can have stripes instead? > > > Becki

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35864	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

William, I don't think the Professor or MaryAnn are into fish breeding on the Gilligan's Island where Amber lives... but Amber could start up the SATIFA... the South Alaskan Tropical Island Fish Association or SATIFS to have it end with Society to organize all the other fish keepers on the island. Another acronym could be IFKS.. the Igloo Fish Keepers Society. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown)) There might be local breeders around you. Have yo gone to any aquarium club meetings and asked abut people that breed fish? You might be surprised at how many people do indeed breed fish all over the country. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a > couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like that), and > one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible > fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for sale" > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too instead of > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in sick > fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against the > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of all of > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving very > slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I swear, > LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try to > treat him. > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red stripe > on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they were new > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted to > wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank has > guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get fish > from sometimes :(

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35865	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

Have you tried refilling it? Usually the water in a tank will cause the scratches to disappear. If that doesn't work, then there are kits for buffing/polishing scratches out of acrylic. Here's one... search "Scratch Removal Kit" if the link breaks. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3728+3762+3883 &pcatid=3883 There are certain cleaning tools/pads that should be used on acrylic tanks and you usually can't use the same ones for glass on acrylic but you could use the acrylic tools on glass. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] scratches in arylic tank Hi everyone, I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. Thanks for any help you can offer. Feeling a bit foolish, Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question

Rehoming the pleco would be the first thing.. after you are sure of what is wrong with your tank (see below). Even if your basic tests are showing up in good shape, there are hormone levels and other things that we cannot test for. Further, depending on the pleco species, many of them are omnivores (they don't just eat algae) so if he's not getting enough to eat, he could be going after other fish at night and even if he's not catching them, the stress would lower their immune systems making them more susceptible to other things. Of course, the bent spine is one of the symptoms of a more serious issue... NTD - neon tetra diseases and even up to and including Fish TB. I've also seen bent spine associated with electrical shock. If you or a neighbor has an electrical testing tool, you could follow the instructions in this article... http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html Don't jump to any conclusions but while trying to diagnose, wear long fish safe gloves when working in the tank as Fish TB can be contagious to humans especially if you have an open sore. Clean up well after each time fooling with the tank. Also.. most of your fish are tropical fish so the 72F temp is low for them... all of these stressors can cause health issues for your fish. On my blog's Disease pages, I have a section about fish stress and non-disease issues that cause fish deaths if you want to do more reading. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fish loss question I have a 16g bowfront, temp 72, running a 30g rated penguin biowheel, gravel, plastic plants, fish occupants 6 in pleco (i know he is getting too big) 2 cory cats, 1 Lfzebra danio, 2 platy (now), 2 molly(now)and 1 swordtail (now).......I say now on some because since christmas I have lost 1 platy, one swordtail, and tonight a molly....... I tested with my API kit....ph6.8, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate slight less than 5, ammonia 0ppm........ Question is what caused 3 deaths in such a short time? THe swortail and the molly were within a week......The mail swordtail now looks like his spine may be curving.....Is there anything I can do to help this tank? What about the swordtail? Thanks in advance, Christine

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35867	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will eat snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on purpose? LOL. Amber *Common Names*: Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach *Size*: 6 cm *Distribution*: Vietnam *Tank*: Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool water flow with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. *Temperature*: 60-75 F *pH*: 6-7.5 *Diet*: Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, should be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation may be helpful. *Sexing*: Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays extending in the forward direction. *Breeding*: Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, almost planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. *Other info*: Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium community. Amber Berglund wrote: > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the filter > ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may not even > need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still have to put > water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the temps stay > around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup anyways. > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it even > > thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add some sand to > > the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If you think it > might > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it with > > "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it is > > almost as > > hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have considered this idea. Also > > be sure to leave places for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > outs... > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > what > > > they have for my project. > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > (tank > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > so I > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't > > > decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would > > like to. > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy resin", > > > I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on > > this site, > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any suggestions > > > for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) > before > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? Also, is > > > cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the > water > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) and > > > that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > hopefully > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > close). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35868	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 system for freshwater tanks

I was considering using Co2 in the 55 gallon, not the walstad tank (125 gallon). The plants in that tank seem to be doing pretty good (as long as the fish stop uprooting them looking for food, darn fishies, LOL). I still have yet to find any info on if hillstream loaches will eat snails... I would assume that something that eats like a pleco wouldn't be interested in snails so much though.... just my thoughts though ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yeah.. I should mention that whenever talking about Excel.. that it can > adversely affect plants like Anacharis and some others. These should be > mentioned in the Excel instructions. Unless you are really planning a > lavishly planted tank like those in some magazine photos, you probably > won't > need CO2 injection but if you do want a lavishly planted tank, then > you can > consider it but with your natural Walstad type substrate in your big tank, > it should put out enough CO2 to keep your plants happy along with the rest > of the tanks ecology. > > There's a NICE article about CO2 (part 1) in the current TFH magazine > if you > want to read a lot more about CO2 than the links I previously posted. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > Well so far I have easy to grow plants, but was looking at ordering some > harder to grow plants or asking my LFS to order some. Perhaps I should > wait > until I figure out what kind I want I guess ;) LOL. > I have noticed that my sword (I'd have to go find out which kind it > is), is > growing new leaves rather nicely, it's the same plant that the angel fish > have picked to guard as their egg laying spot ;). I have some plants that > also melted and are growing back, which I'm happy to see, I didn't remove > them just because I wasn't sure if they would grow back or not, and > now that > the salt content has been lowered with several PWC's the plants are > filling > out rather nicely. > I have flourish excel on hand, I haven't added it since the time it melted > my bunch plant (I think it was cabomba, I'd have to check back to see > though, I didn't replace it though). > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If like other CO2 dispensers, you want to limit surface agitation so > > HOB's aren't the best filters unless you have the water line going all > > the way up to the water fall. I've seen people use a nylon tie or > > aquarium silicone to hold a piece of filter floss padding so the > > waterfall flows into the water with much less surface agitation also. > > The reason is that if you have much surface agitation, then the CO2 > > you are trying to buildup in the tank will simply outgas. There are > > other ways of introducing added CO2 into the water column besides the > > external CO2 generators. Some people find dosing daily with a product > > like SeaChem's Flourish Excel > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656> > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4656>> > > but if > > you have easy to grow plants, which I think is all you can get up > there... > > and sufficient number of fish, you will normally get enough CO2 from > > the ecology of the tank, fish breathing, detritus breaking down > > putting out carbonic acid and CO2, etc. so you may not even need CO2 > > injection or additives. I've never used any added CO2 in any of my > > tanks over the years but then I do stick with easy to grow plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:05 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > > > Sorry I forgot to say it puts out smoke, how well would that disperse > > into the water? Would it be best to put it near a filter outtake to > > help disperse it? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is fine... that's what we breathe out also. > > > Carbon Monoxide is the kind that can kills people, pets, etc., in a > > > high enough concentration... usually from burning carbon based fuels > > > like gas, wood, etc. in an unvented home or running a hose from your > > > car's muffler to inside your car if things get too bad in the next > > > four years. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] CO2 system for freshwater tanks > > > > > > Okay I was looking at getting a CO2 system eventually for at least > > > one of my tanks, and I ran across this on Ebay, wanted to see what > > > other people thought about it before I made any decisions ;) > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromMa> > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM> > > a> > > > keTrac > > > > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM> > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280302241950&fromM> > > > > > > akeTrac> k=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us > > > > > > If the link cuts off, it's called "Carbo Plus Planted Aquarium CO2 > > > system". > > > It says it puts out carbon dioxide which made me wonder if it was > > > safe for use inside the home, what is everyone elses thoughts? > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35869	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

LOL, yes I'm already planning another 10 gallong from walmart (my husband is the manager of the pets/hardware sections so I'm urging him to also get the 55 gallon tanks in stock too heheh) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You still need to quarantine no matter where they come from... so get some > more 10G tanks from WallyWorld. Isn't there room on the coffee table > and on > the kitchen counter? What about the back of the toilet? Or go vertical > with them so the 2x2" vertical frame only takes up the floor space of a > single 10G and you could do a corner rack to fill in that corner where you > have the silk ficus tree. LOL ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown)) > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a > couple of > unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like that), and one of them > is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible fungus. I made > sure > to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for sale" > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too instead of > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in sick > fish > I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against the > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of all of > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving very slow > and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I swear, LOL. But > there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try to treat him. > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red stripe on > their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they were new > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted to > wait > and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank has > guppy fry > in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get fish > from > sometimes :( > > Amber > > bubblybits wrote: > > > > Hi again, > > Our fish looks just like these (identical shape, fins etc.)but where > > these ones have spots with one or two stripes, our fish has only > > stripes. The stripes on these fish look like the stripes on ours > > though... > > > > Just wandered into the living room and was able to take a few > > pictures, although they're not exactly high-quality or clear. You can > > find them at http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/ > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/> > > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/ > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/34485711@N08/>> if you'd like to take a > > look. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > I just peeked at some of the pictures on the PlanetCatfish profile > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=278>> > > > > > > And these did have some stripes on them... > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1913>> > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=8415>> > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=1375>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:06 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > > > I believe that young _Synodontis angelicus_ have vertical stripes > > that > > > eventually become the dotted pattern most are familiar with. _S. > > > brichardi_ has vertical stripes. _S. flavitaeniata_ has lateral > > stripes. > > > There are probably others as well. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Bee Herd > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:32 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] (unknown) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for replying so quickly. The fish I have looks like the > > > Synodontis angelicus,except > > > > that all the pictures I can find of these have spots and our fish > > has > > > stripes. Does anyone know > > > > if these fish can have stripes instead? > > > > Becki > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35870	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I also picked up the insulation (2 inch thick), 2 part epoxy (for all the various stuff that Lenny listed as projects, LOL), some brown spray paint (should have gotten more colors thought about that when I got home, darn), and the glue/silicone to put it all together. The one thing I forgot? Brushes, LOL. Hubby and I are going to run out to wallyworld tomorrow and get some cheap brushes so I can start my project this weekend. I'm still trying to figure out my design. I think I'm going to do an island on the back wall with a line of plants about half way up the tank, that way it doesn't block all the light to the lower parts of the tank (so algae can grow on any rocks, etc for the loaches). I'm also wondering if I should upgrade my shop light to something a bit stronger. It's only fluorescent bulbs, 2x40 watt bulbs I think. The last time I tried to order a light it arrived broken twice, I'm considering going through marinedepot.com as they got my bulbs to me in one piece (2 CFL bulbs). Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will > eat snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > purpose? LOL. > > Amber > > *Common Names*: > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > *Size*: > 6 cm > > *Distribution*: > Vietnam > > *Tank*: > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, these > fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of > the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool > water flow with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly > (but stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > *Temperature*: > 60-75 F > > *pH*: > 6-7.5 > > *Diet*: > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, > should be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae > cultivation may be helpful. > > *Sexing*: > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > extending in the forward direction. > > *Breeding*: > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > almost planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > *Other info*: > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any > aquarium community. > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the filter > > ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may not even > > need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still have to put > > water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the temps stay > > around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup anyways. > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have > it even > > > thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add some > sand to > > > the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If you think it > > might > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it with > > > "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it is > > > almost as > > > hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have considered this > idea. Also > > > be sure to leave places for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > outs... > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > what > > > > they have for my project. > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > (tank > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > so I > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I haven't > > > > decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but I would > > > like to. > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > resin", > > > > I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was used on > > > this site, > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > suggestions > > > > for something I can use to coat it (that's at least fairly clear) > > before > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > Also, is > > > > cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used above the > > water > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > clerk) and > > > > that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > hopefully > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > close). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35871	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce aggression. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35872	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Minerals on glass

I have some tanks with mineral deposits on them. Other than that they are in great shape. Does anyone have great cleaners to recommend? These tanks are currently not filled (can be laid on side if something needs to soak or something), but it would be nice to have ideas for filled tanks also.__ Thank you. I'm new to the list and delighted with the knowledge and concern about the hobby that have been expressed. Also enjoying the humor. My husband worked in Barrow for awhile. He told me of a time when someone had a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers flown in. He didn't mention girls one way or the other, but it's nice to know there weren't a bunch of hot blonds around. Laurie Bend, OR ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35873	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass

Vinegar and muscle power. Even in an empty tank you would not want to use toxic cleaners. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Minerals on glass I have some tanks with mineral deposits on them. Other than that they are in great shape. Does anyone have great cleaners to recommend? These tanks are currently not filled (can be laid on side if something needs to soak or something), but it would be nice to have ideas for filled tanks also.__ Thank you. I'm new to the list and delighted with the knowledge and concern about the hobby that have been expressed. Also enjoying the humor. My husband worked in Barrow for awhile. He told me of a time when someone had a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers flown in. He didn't mention girls one way or the other, but it's nice to know there weren't a bunch of hot blonds around. Laurie Bend, OR ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35874	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass

Get the pickleing kind of vineger as it has stronger acid. Let it soak by laying on side and applying. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>wrote: > Vinegar and muscle power. Even in an empty tank you would not want to > use > toxic cleaners. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Minerals on glass > > I have some tanks with mineral deposits on them. Other than that they are > in great shape. Does anyone have great cleaners to recommend? These tanks > are currently not filled (can be laid on side if something needs to soak or > something), but it would be nice to have ideas for filled tanks also.__ > > Thank you. I'm new to the list and delighted with the knowledge and concern > about the hobby that have been expressed. Also enjoying the humor. My > husband worked in Barrow for awhile. He told me of a time when someone had > a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers flown in. He didn't mention girls one way > or the other, but it's nice to know there weren't a bunch of hot blonds > around. > > Laurie > > Bend, OR > > ,_._,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35875	From: nevenash11	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business Commu

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35876	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: I was given a fish to bring back to life

I was given a large silver dollar by my wifes friend who had him in a 30g tall with 3 parrots. he was beaten, nipped and has no fins left so I was awarded custody. I have him in a 10 gallon planted hospital tank because he wants to hide all the time. In the water is Melafix (for the nipped fins and missing scales) and 2 tablespoons of salt. I tried to feed him some frozen brine but it just floated past him. He has been in there since thursday afternoon. Every now and then he gets a burst of energy and goes nuts then he calms down in the front corner of the tank. Putting your finger up to the glass doesnt faze him, but walking into the room or away from the tank sends him into a tizzy. I now have a piece of plywood covering the front of the tank and I leave the light off to his tank. Any ideas on what to do next or is a lost cause?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35877	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

copy and paste... The Silver Dollar fish comes from South America and has been a favorite among tropical fish hobbyists for many years. The Silver Dollar gets to be about 6 inches or about the size of a saucer. They are a brilliant silver in color and in some varieties, the male will have a small amount of red on its anal fin. They do best in schools of 6 or more and can become scared easily if not in a school. However, even in small schools they can still be very skittish, especially if you approach the tank too quickly. If you come up too fast or if you make quick movements they may start darting around the tank and could possibly injure themselves. For this reason, make sure that there are no sharp tank decorations in the aquarium. Silver Dollars are mostly peaceful but can be extremely aggressive eaters. Watching them eat can be fun. Drop an algae wafer into your tank and watch the other silvers chase the one that gets it around the tank. For the plant keepers out there, they are herbivores and notorious for the serious damage that they can do to your live plants. For food, they will accept most foods including flakes, pellets, frozen, freeze dried and live foods. They can be fairly hardy once acclimated, but avoid fluctuating water parameters. When you are doing your water changes try to put in water that is as close to the same temperature as possible and don't let those nitrates get too high! **End copy and paste** So I would try some veggie food to encourage eating, and as you have been doing try to keep him from being frightened, light off, hidden side of tank reduce vibrations, etc. Also when he is well, what are your plans, keep him or re-home him. I ask because looks like a fairly large tank is in order, especially if he gets mates to swim with... On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...>wrote: > > I was given a large silver dollar by my wifes friend who had him in a > 30g tall with 3 parrots. he was beaten, nipped and has no fins left so > I was awarded custody. I have him in a 10 gallon planted hospital tank > because he wants to hide all the time. In the water is Melafix (for the > nipped fins and missing scales) and 2 tablespoons of salt. I tried to > feed him some frozen brine but it just floated past him. He has been in > there since thursday afternoon. Every now and then he gets a burst of > energy and goes nuts then he calms down in the front corner of the > tank. Putting your finger up to the glass doesnt faze him, but walking > into the room or away from the tank sends him into a tizzy. I now have > a piece of plywood covering the front of the tank and I leave the light > off to his tank. > Any ideas on what to do next or is a lost cause? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35878	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

> So I would try some veggie food to encourage eating, and as you have been > doing try to keep him from being frightened, light off, hidden side of tank > reduce vibrations, etc. > > Also when he is well, what are your plans, keep him or re-home him. I ask > because looks like a fairly large tank is in order, especially if he gets > mates to swim with... > At this point I am not sure. I only have an empty 15 gallon tank available. In the 150g are Koi, One 55g is community, the other 55g is guppies, the 35g is brackish, the 20g has snails the other 20g has hermit crabs. I might move the snails to the 15g and give the dollar the 20g, maybe also a tank mate. He is on the bigger side of 3" in diameter . But like I said I dont know where to put him at this point after he heals.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35879	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

But like I said I dont know where to put him at this point after he heals. Looks like I just have to get another 55g :)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

Well, you do have some tanks! And options, I just did not want you to lose sight of where you were going as you were working so hard to keep the fish alive. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...>wrote: > > > So I would try some veggie food to encourage eating, and as you > have been > > doing try to keep him from being frightened, light off, hidden side > of tank > > reduce vibrations, etc. > > > > Also when he is well, what are your plans, keep him or re-home > him. I ask > > because looks like a fairly large tank is in order, especially if > he gets > > mates to swim with... > > > > At this point I am not sure. I only have an empty 15 gallon tank > available. In the 150g are Koi, One 55g is community, the other 55g > is guppies, the 35g is brackish, the 20g has snails the other 20g has > hermit crabs. I might move the snails to the 15g and give the dollar > the 20g, maybe also a tank mate. He is on the bigger side of 3" in > diameter . But like I said I dont know where to put him at this point > after he heals. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35881	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C

Sorry I only understand in Fishaguese. This is not the place for soliciting.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35882	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C

Sorry I only understand in Fishaguese. This is not the place for soliciting.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35883	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

Well thats why I let you know what I have... what would be my options at this point. I dont think 3-4 silvers in a 20g would be wise. Although some box chain stores would say its ok :) What other fish are compatible with a group of silver dollars. Im trying to convince my wife i NEED another 55 gallon for them and maybe some others --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Well, you do have some tanks! And options, I just did not want you to lose > sight of where you were going as you were working so hard to keep the fish > alive. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35884	From: William	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

I had been thinking along the same line where two or three (or more hopefully) hobbyist would get together and form a club with the purpose of buying fish (so as to cut the cost of shipping). They then could order the fish that they want (weather permitting) and it would not cost as much per person for shipping. She could post notices in stores and ask around where other hobbies live so that they could get together, maybe some other people that have not previously had fish would become interested in joining.It could be a loose group just interested in buying fish or more organized to have officers and ;plan on speakers etc.Even if she only found one or tow other hobbyist they would be able to share the cost of shipping which is the biggest part of getting fish to places like she lives. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > William, > > I don't think the Professor or MaryAnn are into fish breeding on the > Gilligan's Island where Amber lives... but Amber could start up the > SATIFA... the South Alaskan Tropical Island Fish Association or SATIFS to > have it end with Society to organize all the other fish keepers on the > island. Another acronym could be IFKS.. the Igloo Fish Keepers Society. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of William > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown)) > > > There might be local breeders around you. Have yo gone to any aquarium club > meetings and asked abut people that breed fish? You might be surprised at > how many people do indeed breed fish all over the country. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has a > > couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like > that), and > > one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking possible > > fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for > sale" > > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too > instead of > > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in > sick > > fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing against > the > > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of > all of > > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving > very > > slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I > swear, > > LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try > to > > treat him. > > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red > stripe > > on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they > were new > > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I wanted > to > > wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine tank > has > > guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get > fish > > from sometimes :( >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35885	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

Hi Debra, First of all, as an aquarist and a model aircraft enthusiast, I can tell you that acrylic is VERY easy to scratch. It dosen't take much - just a little bump from a hard piece of driftwood or decoration can scratch it. We model hobbyists have noticed that the quality of acrylic (and plastic) is been going downhill since more countries like China have gotten into the market. It's getting very soft and easier to damage. European and US-sourced acrylic products tend to be of much better quality. Here are a couple of suggestions to deal with scratches: First, check with a local auto body supply shop or auto parts shop for buffing kids for auto body work. These frequently will solve the problem, although it will take some time and "elbow grease," depending on how deep the scratches are. Even stores like Wal-Mart sometimes carry these kits. The other possiblity is to talk to your local model or hobby shop (not a big box store like Michael's or A.C. Moore, but one of the smaller ones that sells model airplanes, trains, etc.). Ask about the Novus line of plastic polishes (or something similar). Tell them what you need to do and if the tank is small enough, take it with you and show them. (You can also get Novus's products online). They have a heavy scratch remover polish and a light scratch remover polish. You shouldn't need the cleaner, but it sometimes comes in bundles packages with the polish. No matter what you use, you will need to wash the tank out thoroughly afterwards to remove all traces of the polish. BTW, Novus is great for all kinds of plastic polishing. I use it to buff out scrathes on my sunglasses, for example. Best of luck - and don't feel foolish. I have a small acrylic tank that I need to buff out, too! Gregg

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35886	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Minerals on glass

I use white vinegar and 'elbow grease.' If it's really bad, put a paper towel or rag soaked with vinegar on the area for a few hours, then wipe it clean and rinse thoroughly. Sometimes, you may have to leave it overnight. If it's around the rim of the tank, you might have to gently lay the tank on each side in turn on a something soft and let it sit.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35887	From: William	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

I have heard that if you use tooth past and a tooth brush you can clean out the scratches and that the scratches become almost invisible once the water is put in it. Of course you would do this on a tank that does not have water in it. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Feeling a bit foolish, > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35888	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

I've always had good out comes using frozen food to stimulate appetite. I had a green terror that I saved he was in terrible condition. Pinched stomache barely any fins parasites and raw spots where hed been picked on. He wouldn't eat so for the first couple weeks I fed him bloodworms. Got rid of the parasites and he started thriving. Now he's about 9 inches and one of the most beautiful fish I have. This was about 2 years ago. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:33:38 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life But like I said I dont know where to put him at this point after he heals. Looks like I just have to get another 55g :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35889	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the beginning, get some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. Next, read all the way down in the article http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your algae tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank where I'll take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... So the 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until the 11th ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One brands of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead fish. I haven't read enough about them to know. OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's eating melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food product available over in the UK. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will eat snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on purpose? LOL. Amber *Common Names*: Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach *Size*: 6 cm *Distribution*: Vietnam *Tank*: Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool water flow with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. *Temperature*: 60-75 F *pH*: 6-7.5 *Diet*: Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, should be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation may be helpful. *Sexing*: Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays extending in the forward direction. *Breeding*: Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, almost planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. *Other info*: Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium community. Amber Berglund wrote: > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup anyways. > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > you think it > might > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > outs... > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > what > > > they have for my project. > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > (tank > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > so I > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > I would > > like to. > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > used on > > this site, > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > fairly clear) > before > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > above the > water > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > hopefully > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > close). > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35890	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

Like Harl already mentioned, these are schooling fish that get quite large.. around 6" and they are wide bodied fish, not torpedo shaped so they have a lot more body mass compared to a 6" torpedo shaped fish. If you are going to try and keep him, you will need a much larger tank than a 20G since you will also need another five Silver Dollars. While you are nursing him back to health, you should also be trying to find a suitable home for him... unless you have room for another BIG tank that can handle six 6" wide bodied fish... a 55G would work as a temporary home but it wouldn't work full time without a lot of tank maintenance and frequent PWC's. My minimum stocking rules (article on my blog) call for 3 gallons per expected adult sized inch for 6" fish so you're looking at a 100G+ (3 x 6 x 6" of fish) tank for long term success without the need for constant tank maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life > So I would try some veggie food to encourage eating, and as you have been > doing try to keep him from being frightened, light off, hidden side of tank > reduce vibrations, etc. > > Also when he is well, what are your plans, keep him or re-home him. I ask > because looks like a fairly large tank is in order, especially if he gets > mates to swim with... > At this point I am not sure. I only have an empty 15 gallon tank available. In the 150g are Koi, One 55g is community, the other 55g is guppies, the 35g is brackish, the 20g has snails the other 20g has hermit crabs. I might move the snails to the 15g and give the dollar the 20g, maybe also a tank mate. He is on the bigger side of 3" in diameter . But like I said I dont know where to put him at this point after he heals.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35891	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

First, you will need to determine the exact species as it seems several different species share this common name. Do a search in the group's messages section for - silver dollar - and you'll see our recent discussion about this. Some of these fish called Silver Dollar play well with other fish, others do not. Once you know which species you have, then you can start to figure out what other fish will play well in the tank. Your 55G will not likely work long term unless you are ready to do frequent tank maintenance and then I wouldn't try to put any other fish in a 55G with six BIG fish. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html (Mongabay profiles have a SC section for "Suggested Companions" and for this species, only bigger hardy fish are suggested as companion fish for this species... including Arowana's and Pacu's.... GIANT fish. LOL) http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-SilverDollar.htm (Metynnis hypsauchen) http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile23.html (covers both of the above species) And I mistakenly said these fish only reach 6" in my previous post.. they actually reach 8". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:52 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life Well thats why I let you know what I have... what would be my options at this point. I dont think 3-4 silvers in a 20g would be wise. Although some box chain stores would say its ok :) What other fish are compatible with a group of silver dollars. Im trying to convince my wife i NEED another 55 gallon for them and maybe some others --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Well, you do have some tanks! And options, I just did not want you to lose > sight of where you were going as you were working so hard to keep the fish > alive. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35892	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic but really helpful ,about "Create Abundance Business C

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35893	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

I know the Eastwood company (eastwoodco.com) sells alot of buffing kits. 99.99% is aimed at autobody tools but Acrylic is used heavily in customized cars and trucks so Eastwood jumped onto the bandwagon and stepped up with plexi,acrylic and plastic buffing kits --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Feeling a bit foolish, > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35894	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life

OK so my only option at this point would be to get him healthy then find him a suitable home. Any takers? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Like Harl already mentioned, these are schooling fish that get quite large.. > around 6" and they are wide bodied fish, not torpedo shaped so they have a > lot more body mass compared to a 6" torpedo shaped fish. If you are going > to try and keep him, you will need a much larger tank than a 20G since you > will also need another five Silver Dollars. While you are nursing him back > to health, you should also be trying to find a suitable home for him... > unless you have room for another BIG tank that can handle six 6" wide bodied > fish... a 55G would work as a temporary home but it wouldn't work full time > without a lot of tank maintenance and frequent PWC's. My minimum stocking > rules (article on my blog) call for 3 gallons per expected adult sized inch > for 6" fish so you're looking at a 100G+ (3 x 6 x 6" of fish) tank for long > term success without the need for constant tank maintenance. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I was given a fish to bring back to life > > > > So I would try some veggie food to encourage eating, and as you > have been > > doing try to keep him from being frightened, light off, hidden side > of tank > > reduce vibrations, etc. > > > > Also when he is well, what are your plans, keep him or re-home > him. I ask > > because looks like a fairly large tank is in order, especially if > he gets > > mates to swim with... > > > > > At this point I am not sure. I only have an empty 15 gallon tank available. > In the 150g are Koi, One 55g is community, the other 55g is guppies, the 35g > is brackish, the 20g has snails the other 20g has hermit crabs. I might move > the snails to the 15g and give the dollar the 20g, maybe also a tank mate. > He is on the bigger side of 3" in diameter . But like I said I dont know > where to put him at this point after he heals. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35895	From: Mike Shaver	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

i believe my cichlids are yellow labs. at least that was the best match i could find on cichlid forum. they were in a tank labeled assorted African cichlids.  i have not been able to keep any other color cichlid with them. the yellows seem to "off" any other color that i put in. so i have stuck with the yellow cichlids. i have even moved all decor around moments before putting in other colored cichlids but hasn't worked. --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:41 AM You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce aggression. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35896	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

Ah. Well maybe they are hybrids, which sometimes are more aggressive than pure fish. That would also explain why they would be in an “assorted” tank. Do they have the black dorsal stripe? Or maybe they are male Metriaclima Lombardoi (a.k.a. Kenyi) which is a very aggressive fish even when pure. When you add fish, do you add one individual or a group? At night? Anyway the sand should work. About an inch is plenty. There is a special trick vacuuming sand so it doesn’t all get sucked up in the Python. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Shaver Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help i believe my cichlids are yellow labs. at least that was the best match i could find on cichlid forum. they were in a tank labeled assorted African cichlids. i have not been able to keep any other color cichlid with them. the yellows seem to "off" any other color that i put in. so i have stuck with the yellow cichlids. i have even moved all decor around moments before putting in other colored cichlids but hasn't worked. --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:41 AM You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce aggression. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35897	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on www.brineshrimpdirect.com to see if they had anything I could use, but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the beginning, get > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check the > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > Next, read all the way down in the article > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i> > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your algae > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > from > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > able > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank where I'll > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > this DIY > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > Seaweeds Meal > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > dried > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... So the > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until the 11th > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > decent > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > only > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One brands > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > Spirulina but > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > fish. > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > feeding > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > these > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's eating > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food product > available over in the UK. > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will eat > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > purpose? > LOL. > > Amber > > *Common Names*: > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > *Size*: > 6 cm > > *Distribution*: > Vietnam > > *Tank*: > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > these fish > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool water flow > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > *Temperature*: > 60-75 F > > *pH*: > 6-7.5 > > *Diet*: > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, should > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation may be > helpful. > > *Sexing*: > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays extending > in the forward direction. > > *Breeding*: > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, almost > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > *Other info*: > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > becomes > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > community. > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > anyways. > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > you think it > > might > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > outs... > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > what > > > > they have for my project. > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > (tank > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > so I > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > I would > > > like to. > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > used on > > > this site, > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > fairly clear) > > before > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > above the > > water > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > hopefully > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > close). > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35898	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

that must mean that you're interested in these new fish too at least a little bit, if you're doing the research for me ;) LOL. I already have Omega one algae wafers, I got them for the oto's that I kept killing (still not sure what I was doing wrong, maybe something was picking on them). LOL I should see if I already have an email reply started before I write another (hence my post about the algae paste, LOL). Been looking over the links to see what other people are doing and to see if I can find something similar in the US to feed them. Thanks again Lenny! :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the beginning, get > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check the > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > Next, read all the way down in the article > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i> > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your algae > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > from > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > able > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank where I'll > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > this DIY > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > Seaweeds Meal > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > dried > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... So the > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until the 11th > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > decent > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > only > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One brands > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > Spirulina but > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > fish. > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > feeding > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > these > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's eating > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food product > available over in the UK. > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will eat > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > purpose? > LOL. > > Amber > > *Common Names*: > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > *Size*: > 6 cm > > *Distribution*: > Vietnam > > *Tank*: > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > these fish > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool water flow > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > *Temperature*: > 60-75 F > > *pH*: > 6-7.5 > > *Diet*: > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, should > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation may be > helpful. > > *Sexing*: > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays extending > in the forward direction. > > *Breeding*: > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, almost > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > *Other info*: > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > becomes > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > community. > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > anyways. > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > you think it > > might > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > outs... > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > what > > > > they have for my project. > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > (tank > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > so I > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > I would > > > like to. > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > used on > > > this site, > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > fairly clear) > > before > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > above the > > water > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > hopefully > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > close). > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35899	From: Lisa	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

Hi all. I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill the fish? Thanks. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35900	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn’t want it to dissolve so I removed it. The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like malachite. Also, you want to be careful they don’t change your pH unless you want it changed. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums Hi all. I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill the fish? Thanks. Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35901	From: Lisa	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i asked and saved my fish and stones... Lisa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't want it to > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like malachite. > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH unless you want it > changed. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Lisa > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > > > > Hi all. > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill the > fish? > > Thanks. > > Lisa > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35902	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously posted watch out for copper based rocks --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > Lisa > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't want > it to > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > malachite. > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH unless you > want it > > changed. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Lisa > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > the > > fish? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35903	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously posted watch out for copper based rocks --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > Lisa > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't want > it to > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > malachite. > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH unless you > want it > > changed. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Lisa > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > the > > fish? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35904	From: Gregg Bender	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in acrylic tanks

A few caveats on toothpaste: Gel toothpastes won't work. From the model world, I can tell you that generic toothpastes and Pepsodent brand work pretty well. That works on fine scratches. Deeper ones will need to be polished out with a polishing kit.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35905	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown))

That's a good idea though, I just need to make more freshwater fishtank friends (I only know someone with saltwater fish so far) hehe. She just added a new fish to her tank and like 4 of her fish died right after, I told her she needs a quarantine tank ;) Considering she works at the LFS seems like she might have had Q tank already, but guess not. That would be really sad to have some of your expensive saltwater fish die (as well as the new fish) right after acclimating it and adding it to the tank. Amber William wrote: > > I had been thinking along the same line where two or three (or more > hopefully) hobbyist would get together and form a club with the > purpose of buying fish (so as to cut the cost of shipping). They then > could order the fish that they want (weather permitting) and it would > not cost as much per person for shipping. She could post notices in > stores and ask around where other hobbies live so that they could get > together, maybe some other people that have not previously had fish > would become interested in joining.It could be a loose group just > interested in buying fish or more organized to have officers > and ;plan on speakers etc.Even if she only found one or tow other > hobbyist they would be able to share the cost of shipping which is > the biggest part of getting fish to places like she lives. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > William, > > > > I don't think the Professor or MaryAnn are into fish breeding on the > > Gilligan's Island where Amber lives... but Amber could start up the > > SATIFA... the South Alaskan Tropical Island Fish Association or > SATIFS to > > have it end with Society to organize all the other fish keepers on > the > > island. Another acronym could be IFKS.. the Igloo Fish Keepers > Society. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of William > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:47 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelicus catfish (was (unknown)) > > > > > > There might be local breeders around you. Have yo gone to any > aquarium club > > meetings and asked abut people that breed fish? You might be > surprised at > > how many people do indeed breed fish all over the country. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Gosh, speaking of Syno's I just came from my LFS which still has > a > > > couple of unlabeled Syno's (marked assorted or something like > > that), and > > > one of them is extremely sick with some very nasty looking > possible > > > fungus. I made sure to tell the clerk who quickly put a "not for > > sale" > > > sign on the tank, hopefully they actually treat the tank too > > instead of > > > waiting for them to just die. Now that I know what to look for in > > sick > > > fish I also noticed at least one tank with catfish flashing > against > > the > > > gravel/rocks. But the poor syno was the worst looking fish out of > > all of > > > them, it could be dropsy that it's got, either way it was moving > > very > > > slow and looked pathetic, it had this "help me please" look I > > swear, > > > LOL. But there was no way I was going to offer to take him and try > > to > > > treat him. > > > They got in some swordtails that are a pretty orange with a red > > stripe > > > on their longer fin, I resisted the urge to impulse buy as they > > were new > > > additions to the LFS and with how sick everything else was I > wanted > > to > > > wait and see how many made it out alive, besides my quarantine > tank > > has > > > guppy fry in it, so no new fish for me for now ;). > > > I really wish I had a better store or even a local breeder to get > > fish > > > from sometimes :( > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

LOL, found this while searching for info on the hillstream loaches, I loved the vid with the loaches climbing out of the tank, didn't think they would be that fast!. It's a good thing that the 55 gallon tank has a nearly fully enclosed hood (except for the cut outs where the filters are and the heater was). I do have one open spot, perhaps some tape on each side (stuck to itself where there's no plastic) will seal up the open spaces well enough? I don't want any of my hillstream loaches running off "migrating" on me, LOL. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > that must mean that you're interested in these new fish too at least a > little bit, if you're doing the research for me ;) LOL. > I already have Omega one algae wafers, I got them for the oto's that I > kept killing (still not sure what I was doing wrong, maybe something was > picking on them). > LOL I should see if I already have an email reply started before I write > another (hence my post about the algae paste, LOL). > Been looking over the links to see what other people are doing and to > see if I can find something similar in the US to feed them. > Thanks again Lenny! :) > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the > beginning, get > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check the > > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i>> > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your > algae > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > > from > > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > > able > > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > where I'll > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > > this DIY > > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > > Seaweeds Meal > > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > > dried > > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > So the > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > the 11th > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > > decent > > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > > only > > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One > brands > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > Spirulina but > > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > > fish. > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > > feeding > > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > > these > > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's > eating > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > product > > available over in the UK. > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > will eat > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > > purpose? > > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > *Common Names*: > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > *Size*: > > 6 cm > > > > *Distribution*: > > Vietnam > > > > *Tank*: > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > these fish > > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool > water flow > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > *Temperature*: > > 60-75 F > > > > *pH*: > > 6-7.5 > > > > *Diet*: > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, > should > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > may be > > helpful. > > > > *Sexing*: > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > extending > > in the forward direction. > > > > *Breeding*: > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > almost > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > *Other info*: > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > > becomes > > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > > community. > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > > anyways. > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > > you think it > > > might > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > outs... > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > > what > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > > (tank > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > > so I > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > > I would > > > > like to. > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > > used on > > > > this site, > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > > fairly clear) > > > before > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > > above the > > > water > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > > hopefully > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35907	From: josette beckles	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

hello i want to know if angel fish do fight with one another, i had two angel fish and one die, so my question is if when there is more than one ; if the fight cause one of mine die,please let me know have a nice day and enjoy it all lol --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 12:03 PM that must mean that you're interested in these new fish too at least a little bit, if you're doing the research for me ;) LOL. I already have Omega one algae wafers, I got them for the oto's that I kept killing (still not sure what I was doing wrong, maybe something was picking on them). LOL I should see if I already have an email reply started before I write another (hence my post about the algae paste, LOL). Been looking over the links to see what other people are doing and to see if I can find something similar in the US to feed them. Thanks again Lenny! :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the beginning, get > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check the > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > Next, read all the way down in the article > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at-life-i > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at-life-i> > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your algae > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > from > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > able > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank where I'll > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > this DIY > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > Seaweeds Meal > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > dried > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... So the > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until the 11th > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > decent > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > only > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One brands > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > Spirulina but > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > fish. > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > feeding > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > these > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's eating > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food product > available over in the UK. > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches will eat > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > purpose? > LOL. > > Amber > > *Common Names*: > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > *Size*: > 6 cm > > *Distribution* : > Vietnam > > *Tank*: > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > these fish > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool water flow > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > *Temperature* : > 60-75 F > > *pH*: > 6-7.5 > > *Diet*: > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, should > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation may be > helpful. > > *Sexing*: > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays extending > in the forward direction. > > *Breeding*: > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, almost > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > *Other info*: > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > becomes > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > community. > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > anyways. > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > Amber > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > you think it > > might > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > outs... > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > what > > > > they have for my project. > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > (tank > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > so I > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > I would > > > like to. > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > used on > > > this site, > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > fairly clear) > > before > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > above the > > water > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > hopefully > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > close). > > > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35908	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could these > be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of US paste > product to feed? LOL > I was already on www.brineshrimpdirect.com to see if they had anything I > could use, but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and > specialty foods). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the > beginning, get > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check the > > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i>> > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your > algae > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > > from > > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > > able > > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > where I'll > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > > this DIY > > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > > Seaweeds Meal > > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > > dried > > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > So the > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > the 11th > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > > decent > > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > > only > > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One > brands > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > Spirulina but > > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > > fish. > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > > feeding > > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > > these > > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's > eating > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > product > > available over in the UK. > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > will eat > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > > purpose? > > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > *Common Names*: > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > *Size*: > > 6 cm > > > > *Distribution*: > > Vietnam > > > > *Tank*: > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > these fish > > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool > water flow > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > *Temperature*: > > 60-75 F > > > > *pH*: > > 6-7.5 > > > > *Diet*: > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, > should > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > may be > > helpful. > > > > *Sexing*: > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > extending > > in the forward direction. > > > > *Breeding*: > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > almost > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > *Other info*: > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > > becomes > > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > > community. > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > > anyways. > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > > you think it > > > might > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > outs... > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > > what > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > > (tank > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > > so I > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > > I would > > > > like to. > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > > used on > > > > this site, > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > > fairly clear) > > > before > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > > above the > > > water > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > > hopefully > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35909	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: betta tank heater

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > LOL@"the incredible mr."... darn.. I think I just showed my age. > > The little flat heaters for small tanks do NOT have thermostats. From what > I've read on them in the past, they'll heat up the water up to 4F over the > ambient temp in a certain sized tank... I forget the actual size. But they > could be too much heater in an undersized tank so check DrsFosterSmith.com > or the manufacturers website for more details on them. It may be OK in your > 2.5G but in the summer when your home is up in the high 70's you may have to > unplug it or it might raise the temp too high. A 25W heater with a > thermostat, while being kind of bulky for a 2.5G tank would probably be > better since at least you could set it at your preferred temp and it would > work year round and just not come on when the room/water temp is at or above > your pre-set temp. > > Don't you have a real thermometer anywhere around the house? The kind for > taking your temp or a meat thermometer or an indoor-outdoor thermometer? > Anything that will check the temp down into the 70's?.. even a little glass > one with the red dyed alcohol? You could still check your room temp with > that to compare it to your thermostat on your homes heating/cooling system. > Just rest it on top of the thermostat so it's in the same general area. If > you find that your homes thermostat is off, they can usually be adjusted a > couple of degrees up or down. The old style (non-digital, has a screw under > the plastic cover. Digital thermostats can be adjusted using the owner's > manual... or at least you'll know if your thermostat is accurate or 1F or 2F > high or low. You could also use that to check your water temp. > > Tell hubby I said he needs to turn the heat up to about 78F.. or at least > warm enough so you'll switch to them Victoria's Secret pajamas. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of erikaandnewton > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] betta tank heater > > ok so since you helped me identify the limpets (all now named "the > incredible mr.", I don't think anyone older than me will miss the reference, > but my hubby didn't get it sooo... who knows) maybe you can help me with > this. I rescued two bettas from walmart (yes I know not really rescue when > you purchase but they were the last two, beyond pathetic sitting in some of > the nastiest water I've seen, i wasn't there for bettas). One is in with my > frogs and the other is in a 2.5 gallon aquarium. I've looked at those little > flat heaters they sell for small tanks but wonder if they would keep him > warm enough or perhaps too warm. The heat in our house is set at 72 but I > can't swear thats what it is, it might be more like 68 in here (she says as > she sits wrapped in a blanket wearing fuzzy pajamas, and a big fluffy robe). > Do these work well and will it work well enough to keep him comfortable > through my frigid winter and if i leave it in the tank through the summer > when my house gets to 78 will it make him too warm? > > erika wilmington,de usa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35910	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

Thanks I will check them out. Hey maybe I'll keep the kit around for my car when I'm done!   Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: I know the Eastwood company (eastwoodco. com) sells alot of buffing kits. 99.99% is aimed at autobody tools but Acrylic is used heavily in customized cars and trucks so Eastwood jumped onto the bandwagon and stepped up with plexi,acrylic and plastic buffing kits --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Feeling a bit foolish, > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35911	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

Thanks for this advice, Gregg. I believe I know of just such a model shop in my community. I'll take my tank to them next week.   What a great list this has turned out to be!   Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> wrote: Hi Debra, First of all, as an aquarist and a model aircraft enthusiast, I can tell you that acrylic is VERY easy to scratch. It dosen't take much - just a little bump from a hard piece of driftwood or decoration can scratch it. We model hobbyists have noticed that the quality of acrylic (and plastic) is been going downhill since more countries like China have gotten into the market. It's getting very soft and easier to damage. European and US-sourced acrylic products tend to be of much better quality. Here are a couple of suggestions to deal with scratches: First, check with a local auto body supply shop or auto parts shop for buffing kids for auto body work. These frequently will solve the problem, although it will take some time and "elbow grease," depending on how deep the scratches are. Even stores like Wal-Mart sometimes carry these kits. The other possiblity is to talk to your local model or hobby shop (not a big box store like Michael's or A.C. Moore, but one of the smaller ones that sells model airplanes, trains, etc.). Ask about the Novus line of plastic polishes (or something similar). Tell them what you need to do and if the tank is small enough, take it with you and show them. (You can also get Novus's products online). They have a heavy scratch remover polish and a light scratch remover polish. You shouldn't need the cleaner, but it sometimes comes in bundles packages with the polish. No matter what you use, you will need to wash the tank out thoroughly afterwards to remove all traces of the polish. BTW, Novus is great for all kinds of plastic polishing. I use it to buff out scrathes on my sunglasses, for example. Best of luck - and don't feel foolish. I have a small acrylic tank that I need to buff out, too! Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35912	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

Yet another great idea! I am saving all of these. I'll start with this one first since I already own toothpaste. Bet you're all glad to learn that already have some of the stuff, eh? : )   Any idea what kind of the stuff I should use. I am thinking some kinds might actually scratch more and some types might be less helpful?   Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: I have heard that if you use tooth past and a tooth brush you can clean out the scratches and that the scratches become almost invisible once the water is put in it. Of course you would do this on a tank that does not have water in it. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Feeling a bit foolish, > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35913	From: slight.glitch	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: First post, and a hello to you all-

I've recently gotten into fish, and I find them to be really soothing. I suffer from insomnia sometimes, and the 3 I own do wonders for getting me to relax. I have a betta (named Killer as my mom gave him to me because she couldn't figure out why he was killing the other bettas. She got a breakdown on Siamese Fighting fish psychology that day.), a rather large black moor (named Bubbles), and an algae eater named Pablo. It's a simple 10 gallon tank with an Aqua Eon 10 gallon filtration system and it's a really basic set up. I joined this group as I would like learn to take much better care of my fishy friends, and how to take care of other species as I would like to get some puffers when I can afford the proper tank and filtration system for them. But just thought I would say hello and introduce myself, and my aquatic friends, to you all. Will have to say it looks like I found like right place for the hobby. :) Best to you all, Christopher

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35914	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of US > paste product to feed? LOL I was already on www.brineshrimpdirect.com > to see if they had anything I could use, but they all were listed for > marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally > > get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the > beginning, get > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > -life-i> > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > -life-i > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > -life-i>> > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > from your > algae > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do this > > with my Cherry Shrimp tank > where I'll > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions a > > home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't find > > quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting pieces of > > slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing tank(s) so > > they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable source of > > natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the > > algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the > > ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - > > possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, > > Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, something > > resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > So the > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > the 11th > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > just peek at the Omega One > brands > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not > > be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they also > > scavenge and eat dead fish. > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > > feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I > > did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has > > Hillstream's > eating > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > product > > available over in the UK. > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > will eat > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > > purpose? > > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > *Common Names*: > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > *Size*: > > 6 cm > > > > *Distribution*: > > Vietnam > > > > *Tank*: > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to > > that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at > > high, cool > water flow > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > *Temperature*: > > 60-75 F > > > > *pH*: > > 6-7.5 > > > > *Diet*: > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > copious algal growth, > should > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > may be > > helpful. > > > > *Sexing*: > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > extending > > in the forward direction. > > > > *Breeding*: > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > almost > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > *Other info*: > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, > > (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this > > fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member > > of any aquarium community. > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, > > > I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see > > > how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a > > > heater for backup > > anyways. > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have > > > > it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can > > > > add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of > > > > texture. If you think it > > > might > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand > > > > and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I > > > > have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > outs... > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to > > > > > see > > > what > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > perfect > > > (tank > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > insulation > > > so I > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, > > > > > but I would > > > > like to. > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that > > > > > was used on > > > > this site, > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > before > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > used above the > > > water > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > double check > > > hopefully > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > they > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35915	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Mine are male and female, but yes they do fight sometimes, they "kiss" each other a lot, in a not so nice way. Amber josette beckles wrote: > > hello i want to know if angel fish do fight with one another, i had > two angel fish and one die, so my question is if when there is more > than one ; if the fight cause one of mine die,please let me know > > have a nice day and enjoy it all lol > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 12:03 PM > > that must mean that you're interested in these new fish too at least a > little bit, if you're doing the research for me ;) LOL. > I already have Omega one algae wafers, I got them for the oto's that I > kept killing (still not sure what I was doing wrong, maybe something was > picking on them). > LOL I should see if I already have an email reply started before I write > another (hence my post about the algae paste, LOL). > Been looking over the links to see what other people are doing and to > see if I can find something similar in the US to feed them. > Thanks again Lenny! :) > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally get > > some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the > beginning, get > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the algae > > wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary ingredients. > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check the > > forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at-life-i > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at-life-i> > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about feeding > > them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration from your > algae > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a time. > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying hillstream's > > from > > a dealer but I think you are going to buying online so you will not be > > able > > to observe the fish first. I do this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > where I'll > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the Cherry > > Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for the goldfish > > tank again. That section of the article also mentions a home-made frozen > > food mix so I'm sure there's an article on Loaches.com about making > > this DIY > > Hillstream food if you can't find quality algae wafers. You should > > probably start putting pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your > > algae producing tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > > replenishable source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the algae > > wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the ingredients > > with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - possibly something > > similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, Starch, Dried > > Seaweeds Meal > > (L.V. says - finally, something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, > > Dried Bakery Products (L.V. says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers > > dried > > yeast (Ahhh.. Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > So the > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > the 11th > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari makes > > decent > > products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's Algae Wafers... the > > only > > "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did just peek at the Omega One > brands > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > Spirulina but > > also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not be good for your > > Hillstream's unless your research says they also scavenge and eat dead > > fish. > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > > feeding > > threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I did find > > these > > with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has Hillstream's > eating > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > product > > available over in the UK. > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > will eat > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > > plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > > purpose? > > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > *Common Names*: > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > *Size*: > > 6 cm > > > > *Distribution* : > > Vietnam > > > > *Tank*: > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > these fish > > would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to that of the > > turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at high, cool > water flow > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but stably) > > placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > *Temperature* : > > 60-75 F > > > > *pH*: > > 6-7.5 > > > > *Diet*: > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, which > > consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it will accept > > most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. As a limnivore, > > however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from copious algal growth, > should > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > may be > > helpful. > > > > *Sexing*: > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > extending > > in the forward direction. > > > > *Breeding*: > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > almost > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > *Other info*: > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, (and > > thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this fish > > becomes > > a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member of any aquarium > > community. > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I may > > > not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, I still > > > have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see how steady the > > > temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a heater for backup > > anyways. > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have it > > > > even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can add > > > > some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of texture. If > > > > you think it > > > might > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat it > > > > with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand and it > > > > is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I have > > > > considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > outs... > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to see > > > what > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works perfect > > > (tank > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick insulation > > > so I > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, but > > > > > I would > > > > like to. > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that was > > > > > used on > > > > this site, > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at least > > > > > fairly clear) > > > before > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only used > > > > > above the > > > water > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the clerk) > > > > > and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go double check > > > hopefully > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before they > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35916	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) heheh http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I will probably try that one first. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I think I > may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of US > > paste product to feed? LOL I was already on www.brineshrimpdirect.com > > to see if they had anything I could use, but they all were listed for > > marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will naturally > > > get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. In the > > beginning, get > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > ingredients. > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-> > > life-i > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > -life-i > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > -life-i>> > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > from your > > algae > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > time. > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do this > > > with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > where I'll > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions a > > > home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't find > > > quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting pieces of > > > slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing tank(s) so > > > they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable source of > > > natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had real > > > algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared to the > > > algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start off the > > > ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. says - > > > possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat Germ meal, > > > Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, something > > > resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > So the > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > the 11th > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > just peek at the Omega One > > brands > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may not > > > be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they also > > > scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind of > > > feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's but I > > > did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - one has > > > Hillstream's > > eating > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > product > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>>> > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > will eat > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found on > > > plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae on > > > purpose? > > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > *Size*: > > > 6 cm > > > > > > *Distribution*: > > > Vietnam > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar to > > > that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints at > > > high, cool > > water flow > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > *Temperature*: > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > *pH*: > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > copious algal growth, > > should > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > may be > > > helpful. > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > extending > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > almost > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due to > > > misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a cool, > > > (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food supply, this > > > fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining and active member > > > of any aquarium community. > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house temps, > > > > I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running to see > > > > how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely get a > > > > heater for backup > > > anyways. > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can have > > > > > it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing you can > > > > > add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another bit of > > > > > texture. If you think it > > > > might > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / sand > > > > > and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, as I > > > > > have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places for the > > > > > utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > outs... > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store to > > > > > > see > > > > what > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > perfect > > > > (tank > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > insulation > > > > so I > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for plants, > > > > > > but I would > > > > > like to. > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled "epoxy > > > > > > resin", I'm going to write down the brands specifically that > > > > > > was used on > > > > > this site, > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>>> > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > before > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > used above the > > > > water > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > double check > > > > hopefully > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > they > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35917	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-

Welcome to the list. First off, the 10 gallon you have is not a sufficiently sized tank for the fish you have, Just the black moor would be better off in a 55 gallon tank, and give you room for a companion. You mention an algae eater, but fail to mention what that algae eater is. There are many species of fish that can be considered algae eaters. Commonly, plecos are one such group, and the common pleco found in many stores grows way to large for the size of tank many aquarists have--18". Another fairly common algae eater is really not an algae eater, but a slime eater, and preys on the body of other fish for their slime (mucous really) and is not suitable for a home tank. Another, commonly known as otos (or ottos) are good algae eaters, but do best when kept in a group. And so it goes <g>. A goldfish should really only be kept with other goldfish, or by itself. It does not mix well with fish known as tropicals. A primary reason is the temperature that goldfish prefer is much lower than the temperature that tropicals need to do well. Give us some more information about your fish and we can guide you to keeping your fish successfully \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > slight.glitch > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] First post, and a hello to you all- > > I've recently gotten into fish, and I find them to be really soothing. > I suffer from insomnia sometimes, and the 3 I own do wonders for > getting me to relax. I have a betta (named Killer as my mom gave him > to me because she couldn't figure out why he was killing the other > bettas. She got a breakdown on Siamese Fighting fish psychology that > day.), a rather large black moor (named Bubbles), and an algae eater > named Pablo. It's a simple 10 gallon tank with an Aqua Eon 10 gallon > filtration system and it's a really basic set up. I joined this group > as I would like learn to take much better care of my fishy friends, > and how to take care of other species as I would like to get some > puffers when I can afford the proper tank and filtration system for them. > But just thought I would say hello and introduce myself, and my > aquatic friends, to you all. > Will have to say it looks like I found like right place for the hobby. :) > Best to you all, > Christopher > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35918	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many times before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread looked more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like that... at least not the batch that I made. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) heheh http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I will probably try that one first. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > www.brineshrimpdirect.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > In the > > beginning, get > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > ingredients. > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > -> > > life-i > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > > > > -life-i > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > > > > -life-i>> > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > from your > > algae > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > time. > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > where I'll > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > So the > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > the 11th > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > just peek at the Omega One > > brands > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > one has Hillstream's > > eating > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > product > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>>> > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > will eat > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > on plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > on purpose? > > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > *Size*: > > > 6 cm > > > > > > *Distribution*: > > > Vietnam > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > at high, cool > > water flow > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > *Temperature*: > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > *pH*: > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > copious algal growth, > > should > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > may be > > > helpful. > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > extending > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > almost > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > get a heater for backup > > > anyways. > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > might > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > outs... > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > to see > > > > what > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > perfect > > > > (tank > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > insulation > > > > so I > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > like to. > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > this site, > > > > > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>> > > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm> > > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm>>>>> > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > before > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > used above the > > > > water > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > double check > > > > hopefully > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > they > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35919	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

Aw gee! That wasn't fair, Donna. Please tell us the trick to vacuuming the sand if you're gonna tell us there is one. Please???� : ) � Thanks, Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: Ah. Well maybe they are hybrids, which sometimes are more aggressive than pure fish. That would also explain why they would be in an �assorted� tank. Do they have the black dorsal stripe? Or maybe they are male Metriaclima Lombardoi (a.k.a. Kenyi) which is a very aggressive fish even when pure. When you add fish, do you add one individual or a group? At night? Anyway the sand should work. About an inch is plenty. There is a special trick vacuuming sand so it doesn�t all get sucked up in the Python. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mike Shaver Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help i believe my cichlids are yellow labs. at least that was the best match i could find on cichlid forum. they were in a tank labeled assorted African cichlids. i have not been able to keep any other color cichlid with them. the yellows seem to "off" any other color that i put in. so i have stuck with the yellow cichlids. i have even moved all decor around moments before putting in other colored cichlids but hasn't worked. --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> .net> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> .net> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:41 AM You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce aggression. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35920	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Yes that stuff is special and only sold in the UK, they stopped distribution in the US awhile back I guess, according to forum posts that I've found about it. It's supposedly shelf stable and doesn't need to be refrigerated or anything, too bad you can't get it in the US :( Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > times > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > looked > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > that... > at least not the batch that I made. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > heheh > http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html > <http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html> > > http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html > <http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html> > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I > will probably try that one first. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > though. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > www.brineshrimpdirect.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > foods). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > In the > > > beginning, get > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > -> > > > life-i > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > from your > > > algae > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > time. > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > where I'll > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > Products (L.V. > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > So the > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > the 11th > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > brands > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > eating > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > product > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>>> > > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>>> > > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=13345>>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>>> > > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=14495>>>> > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > will eat > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > on plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > on purpose? > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > *Distribution*: > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > at high, cool > > > water flow > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > *Temperature*: > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > copious algal growth, > > > should > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > may be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > extending > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > almost > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > anyways. > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > might > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > outs... > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > so I > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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I see that it was only > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > water > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > double check > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > they > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35921	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

I was thinking the same thing, it's some family secret recipe or something ;) LOL Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > Aw gee! That wasn't fair, Donna. Please tell us the trick to vacuuming the sand if you're gonna tell us there is one. Please??? : ) > > Thanks, > Deb > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah. Well maybe they are hybrids, which sometimes are more aggressive than > pure fish. That would also explain why they would be in an “assorted” tank. > Do they have the black dorsal stripe? Or maybe they are male Metriaclima > Lombardoi (a.k.a. Kenyi) which is a very aggressive fish even when pure. > > When you add fish, do you add one individual or a group? At night? > > Anyway the sand should work. About an inch is plenty. There is a special > trick vacuuming sand so it doesn’t all get sucked up in the Python. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Mike Shaver > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help > > i believe my cichlids are yellow labs. at least that was the best match i > could find on cichlid forum. they were in a tank labeled assorted African > cichlids. i have not been able to keep any other color cichlid with them. > the yellows seem to "off" any other color that i put in. so i have stuck > with the yellow cichlids. i have even moved all decor around moments before > putting in other colored cichlids but hasn't worked. > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> .net> wrote: > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> > .net> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:41 AM > > You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special > about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you > shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are > you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are > stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce > aggression. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help > > Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and > ovens. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. > com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help > > I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as > it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too > sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it > really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would > rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to > make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it > or not, not sure if it would melt. > > Amber > > mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > >> hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone >> play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with >> marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and >> one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance >> for the help. >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35922	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Okay this guy is making a really neat tank, I could modify mine to work like his, I like his concept better, you can't see the sponge in the tank right away unless you look from the top down. I love his back wall, did a great job making it look like real rock work. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Yes that stuff is special and only sold in the UK, they stopped > distribution in the US awhile back I guess, according to forum posts > that I've found about it. > It's supposedly shelf stable and doesn't need to be refrigerated or > anything, too bad you can't get it in the US :( > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html > <http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html> > > <http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html > <http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html>> > > > > http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html > <http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html> > > <http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html > <http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html>> > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdirect.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics.com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at- > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at->> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at > <http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at>> > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922>>> > > > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922> > > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=922 > 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LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics.com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution*: > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature*: > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > > double check > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > > > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > > > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35923	From: Christopher Muns	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-

Hi Steve, This is good information to know. As for their particular species, that I am quite unsure of to be perfectly honest with you. But my son and I are probably going to be taking a little trip up to the local fish store on MLK day as he has the day off, and I will grill the guys up there as to what species I actually have. They seem somewhat knowledgeable, but hopefully they can answer my questions without trying to sell me everything under the sun. And I am in the process of trying to upgrade my tank however finances just don't allow for it at this moment in time. I've been browsing Craig's List and our local freecycle to see if something good appears that I can obtain on a limited budget. Soon as I get more information on them, I will post it to the group and we'll see what would be best for the little guys. Thanks for your quick response! Best, Christopher PS- if you'd be willing I could always send you pictures of them if you would like. Let me know if you would consider that possibility. Steve Szabo wrote: > > Welcome to the list. > > First off, the 10 gallon you have is not a sufficiently sized tank for > the fish you have, Just the black moor would be better off in a 55 > gallon tank, and give you room for a companion. > > You mention an algae eater, but fail to mention what that algae eater > is. There are many species of fish that can be considered algae > eaters. Commonly, plecos are one such group, and the common pleco > found in many stores grows way to large for the size of tank many > aquarists have--18". Another fairly common algae eater is really not > an algae eater, but a slime eater, and preys on the body of other fish > for their slime (mucous really) and is not suitable for a home tank. > Another, commonly known as otos (or ottos) are good algae eaters, but > do best when kept in a group. And so it goes <g>. > > A goldfish should really only be kept with other goldfish, or by > itself. It does not mix well with fish known as tropicals. A primary > reason is the temperature that goldfish prefer is much lower than the > temperature that tropicals need to do well. > > Give us some more information about your fish and we can guide you to > keeping your fish successfully > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > slight.glitch > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:15 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] First post, and a hello to you all- > > > > I've recently gotten into fish, and I find them to be really soothing. > > I suffer from insomnia sometimes, and the 3 I own do wonders for > > getting me to relax. I have a betta (named Killer as my mom gave him > > to me because she couldn't figure out why he was killing the other > > bettas. She got a breakdown on Siamese Fighting fish psychology that > > day.), a rather large black moor (named Bubbles), and an algae eater > > named Pablo. It's a simple 10 gallon tank with an Aqua Eon 10 gallon > > filtration system and it's a really basic set up. I joined this group > > as I would like learn to take much better care of my fishy friends, > > and how to take care of other species as I would like to get some > > puffers when I can afford the proper tank and filtration system for > them. > > But just thought I would say hello and introduce myself, and my > > aquatic friends, to you all. > > Will have to say it looks like I found like right place for the > hobby. :) > > Best to you all, > > Christopher > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35924	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: First post, and a hello to you all-

Christopher, You can upload photos to the list's file section, and let us know they are there so we can look. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher Muns > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] First post, and a hello to you all- > > Hi Steve, > This is good information to know. As for their particular species, that > I am quite unsure of to be perfectly honest with you. But my son and I > are probably going to be taking a little trip up to the local fish store > on MLK day as he has the day off, and I will grill the guys up there as > to what species I actually have. They seem somewhat knowledgeable, but > hopefully they can answer my questions without trying to sell me > everything under the sun. > And I am in the process of trying to upgrade my tank however finances > just don't allow for it at this moment in time. I've been browsing > Craig's List and our local freecycle to see if something good appears > that I can obtain on a limited budget. > Soon as I get more information on them, I will post it to the group and > we'll see what would be best for the little guys. > Thanks for your quick response! > Best, > Christopher > PS- if you'd be willing I could always send you pictures of them if you > would like. Let me know if you would consider that possibility. > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Welcome to the list. > > > > First off, the 10 gallon you have is not a sufficiently sized tank for > > the fish you have, Just the black moor would be better off in a 55 > > gallon tank, and give you room for a companion. > > > > You mention an algae eater, but fail to mention what that algae eater > > is. There are many species of fish that can be considered algae > > eaters. Commonly, plecos are one such group, and the common pleco > > found in many stores grows way to large for the size of tank many > > aquarists have--18". Another fairly common algae eater is really not > > an algae eater, but a slime eater, and preys on the body of other fish > > for their slime (mucous really) and is not suitable for a home tank. > > Another, commonly known as otos (or ottos) are good algae eaters, but > > do best when kept in a group. And so it goes <g>. > > > > A goldfish should really only be kept with other goldfish, or by > > itself. It does not mix well with fish known as tropicals. A primary > > reason is the temperature that goldfish prefer is much lower than the > > temperature that tropicals need to do well. > > > > Give us some more information about your fish and we can guide you to > > keeping your fish successfully > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > slight.glitch > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:15 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] First post, and a hello to you all- > > > > > > I've recently gotten into fish, and I find them to be really soothing. > > > I suffer from insomnia sometimes, and the 3 I own do wonders for > > > getting me to relax. I have a betta (named Killer as my mom gave him > > > to me because she couldn't figure out why he was killing the other > > > bettas. She got a breakdown on Siamese Fighting fish psychology that > > > day.), a rather large black moor (named Bubbles), and an algae eater > > > named Pablo. It's a simple 10 gallon tank with an Aqua Eon 10 gallon > > > filtration system and it's a really basic set up. I joined this group > > > as I would like learn to take much better care of my fishy friends, > > > and how to take care of other species as I would like to get some > > > puffers when I can afford the proper tank and filtration system for > > them. > > > But just thought I would say hello and introduce myself, and my > > > aquatic friends, to you all. > > > Will have to say it looks like I found like right place for the > > hobby. :) > > > Best to you all, > > > Christopher > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35925	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

At the time, I was not aware of any impact on pH. But the rose quartz rock itself (it was not in crystalline form) was dissolving the mineral specimen was being ruined. This was after a period of months. It was the rock I was worried about I did not mind loaning it to the fish for décor, but I did not want to sacrifice it to the fish, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously posted watch out for copper based rocks --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > Lisa > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't want > it to > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > malachite. > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH unless you > want it > > changed. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Lisa > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > the > > fish? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35926	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: scratches in arylic tank

The aquarium supply houses sell scratch removal kits for acrylic tanks as well. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: scratches in arylic tank Thanks I will check them out. Hey maybe I'll keep the kit around for my car when I'm done! Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@ <mailto:turbocoupe76%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: I know the Eastwood company (eastwoodco. com) sells alot of buffing kits. 99.99% is aimed at autobody tools but Acrylic is used heavily in customized cars and trucks so Eastwood jumped onto the bandwagon and stepped up with plexi,acrylic and plastic buffing kits --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wondered if anyone had advise on the best way to get scratches out of of an acrylic tank? I rather enthusiastically went after algae on a hex tank and scratched it terribly. I would like to be able to reuse it and see the fish clearly when I do so. However, being able to accomplish this goal does depend on getting those darned scratches out. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Feeling a bit foolish, > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35927	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

You wave the vacuum tip above the sand rather than plunging it in as you would with gravel. The debris rises into the water and you can suck it up. You can also stir the sand with fingers of one hand while vacuuming what comes up with the other. Or tape a dowel onto your vacuum tube which extends far enough to stir the sand while the tube is just the right height to suck the dirt without getting too much sand. You can also have the python or siphon empty into a bucket (because you will invariably suck up SOME sand) and dump it back when you are finished. Sounds like too much trouble for me, I prefer my substrate with grains the size of non-pareils so I can plunge the vacuum tube right in. But my Africans are not sand sifters, otherwise I would have sand. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Aw gee! That wasn't fair, Donna. Please tell us the trick to vacuuming the sand if you're gonna tell us there is one. Please???  : )   Thanks, Deb --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: Ah. Well maybe they are hybrids, which sometimes are more aggressive than pure fish. That would also explain why they would be in an “assorted” tank. Do they have the black dorsal stripe? Or maybe they are male Metriaclima Lombardoi (a.k.a. Kenyi) which is a very aggressive fish even when pure. When you add fish, do you add one individual or a group? At night? Anyway the sand should work. About an inch is plenty. There is a special trick vacuuming sand so it doesn’t all get sucked up in the Python. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mike Shaver Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help i believe my cichlids are yellow labs. at least that was the best match i could find on cichlid forum. they were in a tank labeled assorted African cichlids. i have not been able to keep any other color cichlid with them. the yellows seem to "off" any other color that i put in. so i have stuck with the yellow cichlids. i have even moved all decor around moments before putting in other colored cichlids but hasn't worked. --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> .net> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonlin e <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> .net> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:41 AM You can use play sand in general, not sure if there is anything special about the pavestone type you mention. It requires a LOT of rinsing, you shouldn't have to boil it if it's new. What type of African cichlids are you putting in a 55G? It's a nice size tank for mbuna, but if you are stocking mbuna, you probably want more than five individuals to reduce aggression. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] hi need some help Sand will not melt.. well not at temperatures we produce on our stoves and ovens. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] hi need some help I think I've read somewhere that play sand is okay, but not recommended as it can have sharp pieces. If you run your hand through it and it feels too sharp I wouldn't use it. Also if it has been outside make sure to clean it really well as you might find "kitty rocha's" hiding inside ;). I would rinse it several times and sift through it with a strainer or collander to make sure you get out any big debris. I don't know if it's safe to boil it or not, not sure if it would melt. Amber mike ask n i might tell u my lastname wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35928	From: Dr. Katie Craft	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Big Problem! Help Me!

Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. Thanks all! Blessings DR. Katie Ann Craft

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35929	From: Darlene	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

is there anyone in your area (friend or family) who can help with the tanks until you are able to care for them yourself? Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35930	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I am very sorry to hear about your health problems, and hope your “flare” is over soon. I don’t think there is any way you can avoid PWC. The python removes much of the physical aspect, so I would continue to look into getting a faucet that will fit. Maybe have a plumber come and install an outdoor hose-type faucet (be sure you have hot and cold tap control). None of my faucets fit either except my laundry sink faucet in the basement. You can minimize nitrates by planting a lot of fast-growing plants like vallisneria, but the goldies like to eat plants so maybe Lenny can comment on how well that will work. You would also probably need special plant lights and plants are, in themselves, a lot of extra work. AND, you should still do regular PWC. Maybe a family member or friend(s) can take your tanks for a few months until you are better? I know from other forums that when avid fishkeepers start to have health problems, they often are forced to downsize and consolidate to fewer tanks. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Katie Craft Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. Thanks all! Blessings DR. Katie Ann Craft [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35931	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Air stone fuzz/mold

Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35932	From: pam andress	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I have fibro, so know a bit about what your going thru with that. I love when I go into a doctor and they tell me it is another sign of the fibro and there is nothing they can do. Now for the tank problems. First the phthon. Take the part of the python that goes onto the sink and the part of the faucet that comes off of the sink you want to use into the hardware store. Tell them you want python to fit into/onto faucet and they can figure it out. I did a quick dissconnect and just leave that on my sink. Next call the high school near you and ask for the science teacher. They may have a student or two that can come over and help. Especially if any are heading toward a field in animals. Good luck, Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: mom2angeldog@...: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:25:13 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. Thanks all!BlessingsDR. Katie Ann Craft [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35933	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro filling and emptying water beds. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@...> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35934	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

When you do a water change with the Python, how do you remove the chlorine from the tap water? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:25:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, dreammaker2623@... writes: I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro filling and emptying water beds. --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) , "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@mom> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35935	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

My husband also has Fibromyalgia and being in Alaska we get very little help or anyone with knowledge at all about the disease. So far he has yet to even get a Dr. that will sufficiently prescribe my husband with pain reliever so he's not in constant chronic pain. Granted his condition is not nearly as bad as yours, but I can see the day where he could very easily get to that point and if we are still in the same spot with the Dr's we're not going to get him any real help. As it is he's always out of pain pills, and to help them last longer I hold onto the pill bottles and he has to get the pills from me, but they don't seem to last that much longer with all the bad days he has. I never know when he's going to have a really bad day or how it will affect his mood (he gets sensitive, and I can't blame him with as much pain as he goes through all the time). I often have to go without help on things I normally ask for help on when he's having a really bad day. I'm assuming you are without a significant other who can help you through, and I'm sure I'm my husband's biggest support group and he appreciates it very much. You definitely can't go without ever doing PWC's, so I would try some of the suggestions that people have given to see if there is a high school student or a neighbor who might be willing to help you out for a little while, perhaps even a friend? PWC's are not fun, but thankfully they are not really hard to do either, so I'm sure you might be able to locate someone who is willing to lend a hand. I also know how it is to be an "aqua addict", I have 4 tanks in my house, the biggest tank is 125 gallons and if I didn't have a python to help with water changes there is no way I could or would want to clean it with buckets every week! My python also only fits on 1 faucet in my house, the upstairs bathroom. I got the quick connect kit thinking it should be just like my portable dishwasher but in fact it's the opposite of the dishwasher and the quick connect will not work with the adapter I already have on my kitchen sink (I was so hoping it would though). So instead I put the quick connect on the bathroom sink so I can just hook it up when I need it and leave the fittings on the bathroom sink all of the time (it just slips on really quick just like a dishwasher only the fittings are on opposite sides). Definitely having planted tanks will help with how many water changes you will need to do, as plants use up the waste from the fish. If you don't want to bury the plants into the gravel you could always plant them with dirt in pots and cover the top of the dirt with gravel and then just put the whole plant/pot into the tank just sitting on top of the gravel, that way if the fish want to eat it for lunch you can easily pull the pot back out and put a new plant in it. Even some floating plants will help if you don't have too much current on the top of your tank (this will push the plant all over and sometimes it ends up stuck to your intake of your filter). Hope any of these suggestions help. Amber William wrote: > > I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not > fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) > of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store > plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought > that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally > found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will > work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get > an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro > filling and emptying water beds. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@...> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35936	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Most people pour the chlorine remover that they are using (start right, stress coat, prime, etc), into the tank just before they start filling up the tank, it will start to do it's job right away and it won't harm the fish. Amber Jpateson@... wrote: > > When you do a water change with the Python, how do you remove the > chlorine > from the tap water? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:25:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > dreammaker2623@... <mailto:dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com> writes: > > I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not > fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) > of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store > plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought > that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally > found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will > work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get > an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro > filling and emptying water beds. > > --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) , > "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@mom> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that would be green looking. I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank though ;) Does it look white like mold? Amber David Keymel wrote: > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > stone.... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35938	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Interesting Article

Cool!   http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090118/sc_afp/scienceoceansanimalswarmingaustralia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35939	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

its foofy and white/grey its only on the bottom of the air stone. i do have some slate rock decorations in here and 1 plant. The air stone would be under the gravel but the tank isn't really done. i just dont want tihs to be an issue since i want to use this tank for breeding my rams. The lights stay off predominantly, unless im sitting here next to it, or checking params of the water. so, 22 hours out of the day its off pretty much. Its funny the mold stuff wont even grow in the gravel like when i had an issue with one of by bigger tanks once... -Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that > would be green looking. > I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I > haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and > there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. > Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a > lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you > say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank > though ;) > Does it look white like mold? > > Amber > > David Keymel wrote: >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >> stone.... >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35940	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

I asked once about fuzzy beige growth during a nitrite spike and was told it was mold that grows when there is ammonia or nitrite or something bad in the water. If you are cycling that makes sense. I got it on glass and décor of all types however. I’d wipe it off weekly during your system and expect it to stop when your ammonia and nitrite readings are zero. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold its foofy and white/grey its only on the bottom of the air stone. i do have some slate rock decorations in here and 1 plant. The air stone would be under the gravel but the tank isn't really done. i just dont want tihs to be an issue since i want to use this tank for breeding my rams. The lights stay off predominantly, unless im sitting here next to it, or checking params of the water. so, 22 hours out of the day its off pretty much. Its funny the mold stuff wont even grow in the gravel like when i had an issue with one of by bigger tanks once... -Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> wrote: > Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that > would be green looking. > I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I > haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and > there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. > Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a > lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you > say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank > though ;) > Does it look white like mold? > > Amber > > David Keymel wrote: >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >> stone.... >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35941	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

That makes sense then. Thanks a bunch! On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > I asked once about fuzzy beige growth during a nitrite spike and was told it > was mold that grows when there is ammonia or nitrite or something bad in the > water. If you are cycling that makes sense. I got it on glass and décor of > all types however. I'd wipe it off weekly during your system and expect it > to stop when your ammonia and nitrite readings are zero. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > its foofy and white/grey its only on the bottom of the air stone. i do > have some slate rock decorations in here and 1 plant. The air stone > would be under the gravel but the tank isn't really done. i just dont > want tihs to be an issue since i want to use this tank for breeding my > rams. The lights stay off predominantly, unless im sitting here next > to it, or checking params of the water. so, 22 hours out of the day > its off pretty much. Its funny the mold stuff wont even grow in the > gravel like when i had an issue with one of by bigger tanks once... > > -Dave > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> wrote: >> Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that >> would be green looking. >> I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I >> haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and >> there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. >> Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a >> lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you >> say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank >> though ;) >> Does it look white like mold? >> >> Amber >> >> David Keymel wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few >>> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so >>> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >>> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >>> stone.... >>> >>> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

While it's difficult for you to do this now, something to consider when you get better would be Diane Walstad's "Natural Aquarium" system http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html (summary of book with links to specialized Walstad Forums) which has been used to make tanks low-maintenance where PWC's might only need to be done every 6 months but these are planted tanks with her suggested substrate mix (including dirt) and then with a light bioload of fish so it becomes it's own self sustaining ecosystem. That's not really an option for you right now but something to consider for the future so that if you become immobile again, the tanks will maintain themselves in better condition until you are well enough to do tank maintenance. Your other option that you could try... while I'm covering my eyes, holding my nose and screaming so I do not see, smell or hear myself typing this... is the Tetra Easy Balance With Nitraban is claimed by Tetra and some users to make their tanks maintenance free for up to six months. I personally DO NOT believe snake-oil products like this should be used by the overwhelming majority of fish keepers but possibly in a situation such as yours, it might be a temporary remedy until you are feeling better. God (aka Mother Nature by some) will also help like He is doing by giving you green water... which is simply an algae bloom so the algae will help with cleaning the water, using up nitrogenous and other waste compounds, using up CO2 and putting out O2, etc. Normally, I tell folks that when you start getting green water in your tanks/ponds, that's Gods way of telling you that you are behind on your maintenance schedule but it's also His way of trying to keep the fish from suffering by providing a natural solution for keeping the water in better shape as long as possible. Unfortunately, in a closed system like an aquarium, God can't do his best deed by providing rain (aka nice clean fresh water) to do one of nature's water changes and also, with an aquarium, He also can't provide contact of the water with the earth so that natural minerals leach into the water. Give the Tetra Easy Balance with Nitraban a try and let us know how it works for you. It could be a tool that could be used in a situation such as yours but that doesn't mean the rest of us should get lazy in trying this product instead of doing it God's way... constant supply of fresh clean water. ;-) I hope you get better soon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Katie Craft Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. Thanks all! Blessings DR. Katie Ann Craft

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35943	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Since it is only on the air stone then maybe if you change to q new air stone that will help, it could be something that is n the air stone that is causing this growth. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > That makes sense then. Thanks a bunch! > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > I asked once about fuzzy beige growth during a nitrite spike and was told it > > was mold that grows when there is ammonia or nitrite or something bad in the > > water. If you are cycling that makes sense. I got it on glass and décor of > > all types however. I'd wipe it off weekly during your system and expect it > > to stop when your ammonia and nitrite readings are zero. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of David Keymel > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:48 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > > > its foofy and white/grey its only on the bottom of the air stone. i do > > have some slate rock decorations in here and 1 plant. The air stone > > would be under the gravel but the tank isn't really done. i just dont > > want tihs to be an issue since i want to use this tank for breeding my > > rams. The lights stay off predominantly, unless im sitting here next > > to it, or checking params of the water. so, 22 hours out of the day > > its off pretty much. Its funny the mold stuff wont even grow in the > > gravel like when i had an issue with one of by bigger tanks once... > > > > -Dave > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> wrote: > >> Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that > >> would be green looking. > >> I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I > >> haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and > >> there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. > >> Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a > >> lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you > >> say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank > >> though ;) > >> Does it look white like mold? > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> David Keymel wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > >>> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > >>> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > >>> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > >>> stone.... > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35944	From: amsterbaum	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: salt for betta?

Do betta fish like to have salt added to the water? If so, how much? Are any other additives recommended? Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, fish food, urine ???? What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any others you may have? Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain ammonia method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, then yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot which creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35946	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I just add the proper dose of dechlor to my tank prior to starting the refill process. The dechlor product will just mix in with the tank water and wait until a chlorine molecule enters the water and then the dechlor will bind to the chlorine molecule and break it down into harmless chemicals... or should I say much less harmful than chlorine. I guess if someone was having to do a large PWC of 50% or more, then it might be better to only add a partial dose of the dechlor product at a time as the tank refills... but for 25% PWC's, the full dose is fine. Remember that you only need to treat the replacement water so if your product calls for 1ml per 10G and you are only replacing 10G, then only add 1ml of dechlor product to the tank water. There's no need, and it's actually bad, to add full sized tank doses of dechlor each time you do a PWC as that would cause an excessive build-up of dechlor in the water over time. Dechlor products are based on a "salt" (not sodium chloride but still a salt) and they do not evaporate which is why you should only dose the replacement water going back into the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! When you do a water change with the Python, how do you remove the chlorine from the tap water? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:25:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, dreammaker2623@... writes: I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro filling and emptying water beds. --- In _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) , "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@mom> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35947	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?

Most FW fish do not need salt in their water. Some fish that like harder water do tolerate salt in their water as the salt raises the mineral content of the water, thus making it a little harder (fish like some cichlids, livebearers, etc.)... but FW fish are designed to be in fresh water. Their osmoregulatory systems of a fish that likes FW would have to work much harder in a tank where salt is added to their tank. Small amounts of salt, like a pinch per 10G suffices in adding chloride to the water which does improve gill function for fish but many sources of FW (tap, spring, well, etc.) already have a low level of chlorides in it already (sodium chloride aka salt, potassium chloride, etc.) so most of the time, there is no need to add more. If a fish is suffering from certain diseases, then adding salt for therapeutic/medicinal purposes is a different thing and is only being done for a limited period of time during the treatment process. My blog on "Disease & Illness Diagnosis And Treatment" has a section about salt and the osmoregulatory system with a lot more information about how these work. The best thing for your fish are weekly PWC's and tank/filter maintenance on a normal sized and properly stocked tank... smaller tanks/bowls or overstocked tanks/bowls should get up to daily PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amsterbaum Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] salt for betta? Do betta fish like to have salt added to the water? If so, how much? Are any other additives recommended? Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35948	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Amber, Thanks for the advice. What part of Alaska do you live in? Our son was up stationed there for 4 yrs. in the Air Force at Elmendorf (sp.?), we made a couple of trips there and really liked it, in fact the last trip was for his wedding, he met his wife there too....She lived in Wasilla. Jim In a message dated 1/18/2009 1:43:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Most people pour the chlorine remover that they are using (start right, stress coat, prime, etc), into the tank just before they start filling up the tank, it will start to do it's job right away and it won't harm the fish. Amber _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) wrote: > > When you do a water change with the Python, how do you remove the > chlorine > from the tap water? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:25:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > _dreammaker2623@dreammake_ (mailto:dreammaker2623@...) <mailto:dreammaker2mailto:dreammai> writes: > > I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not > fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) > of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store > plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought > that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally > found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will > work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get > an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro > filling and emptying water beds. > > --- In _AquaticLife@ --- In --- > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) , > "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@mom> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**A Goo is 700 or Above. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35949	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35950	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I have a connective tissue disease, which has similar symptoms and can relate as well. So you have my sympathy.   Regarding taking the sink and python into the hardware store, I think that's a fabulous idea. I do suggest trying an a True Value hardware store first or even an ACE hardware store. They cost slightly more but the people usually have been there longer and have a better idea what they are talking about. It's a customer service thing. Any other locally owned hardware store should be similar.   I do shop at the big stores, but when I have real questions or may need a non-standard part, I have the best luck with the local shops.   Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:06 AM I have fibro, so know a bit about what your going thru with that. I love when I go into a doctor and they tell me it is another sign of the fibro and there is nothing they can do. Now for the tank problems. First the phthon. Take the part of the python that goes onto the sink and the part of the faucet that comes off of the sink you want to use into the hardware store. Tell them you want python to fit into/onto faucet and they can figure it out. I did a quick dissconnect and just leave that on my sink. Next call the high school near you and ask for the science teacher. They may have a student or two that can come over and help. Especially if any are heading toward a field in animals. Good luck, Pam To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mom2angeldog@ yahoo.comDate: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:25:13 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. Thanks all!BlessingsDR. Katie Ann Craft [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35951	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I am in South east Alaska on an island, I'm even more south than Wasilla. It's definitely beautiful up here that's for sure, but way isolated compared to the rest of the united states. Amber Jpateson@... wrote: > > Amber, > > Thanks for the advice. What part of Alaska do you live in? Our son was up > stationed there for 4 yrs. in the Air Force at Elmendorf (sp.?), we > made a > couple of trips there and really liked it, in fact the last trip was > for his > wedding, he met his wife there too....She lived in Wasilla. > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 1:43:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > Most people pour the chlorine remover that they are using (start right, > stress coat, prime, etc), into the tank just before they start filling > up the tank, it will start to do it's job right away and it won't harm > the fish. > > Amber > > _Jpateson@... <mailto:_Jpateson%40aol.Jpa>_ > (mailto:Jpateson@... <mailto:Jpateson%40aol.com>) wrote: > > > > When you do a water change with the Python, how do you remove the > > chlorine > > from the tap water? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:25:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > _dreammaker2623@dreammake_ (mailto:dreammaker2623@... > <mailto:dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>) > <mailto:dreammaker2mailto:dreammai> writes: > > > > I had the same problem in that the adapter of the python would not > > fit my faucets. I too the aerator and the adaptor (from the python) > > of the faucet to the hardware store and with help from the store > > plumbing expert, found a fitting that works on my faucet. I thought > > that I was going to have to get a couple of fittings but I we finally > > found a fitting that works even though it does not look like it will > > work. Maybe you could go to where they sell watter bed to try and get > > an adapter since they have the same (or similar) type of adapter fro > > filling and emptying water beds. > > > > --- In _AquaticLife@ --- In --- > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) , > > "Dr. Katie Craft" > > <mom2angeldog@mom> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > > the > > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > > become > > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > > aspects > > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > > last, > > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > > had > > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > > ago > > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > > stand > > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > > where > > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > > can > > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > > diseases > > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > > one > > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > > it > > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > > Nothing > > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > > kepts > > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > > anything > > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > > have > > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > > there > > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > > recommend > > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > > know > > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > > be > > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > > is > > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > > water > > > changes. Thanks all! > > > Blessings > > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**A Goo is 700 or Above. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35952	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I agree about True Value, our local true value, while it's more of a "mom and pop's" type store since it's very much smaller scale compared to other true value stores in the US. The employees have all been there for several years and they do their best at offering help and locating any odd parts you might need. I was just down there today looking for the parts I will need to install my new dishwasher, it's all a bit above my knowledge skills so lets hope that the hubby knows what he's doing ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I have a connective tissue disease, which has similar symptoms and can > relate as well. So you have my sympathy. > > Regarding taking the sink and python into the hardware store, I think > that's a fabulous idea. I do suggest trying an a True Value hardware > store first or even an ACE hardware store. They cost slightly more but > the people usually have been there longer and have a better idea what > they are talking about. It's a customer service thing. Any other > locally owned hardware store should be similar. > > I do shop at the big stores, but when I have real questions or may > need a non-standard part, I have the best luck with the local shops. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! Help Me! > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:06 AM > > I have fibro, so know a bit about what your going thru with that. I > love when I go into a doctor and they tell me it is another sign of > the fibro and there is nothing they can do. > > Now for the tank problems. First the phthon. Take the part of the > python that goes onto the sink and the part of the faucet that comes > off of the sink you want to use into the hardware store. Tell them you > want python to fit into/onto faucet and they can figure it out. I did > a quick dissconnect and just leave that on my sink. Next call the high > school near you and ask for the science teacher. They may have a > student or two that can come over and help. Especially if any are > heading toward a field in animals. > > Good luck, Pam > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mom2angeldog@ yahoo.comDate: > Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:25:13 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Big Problem! > Help Me! > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious > and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the > same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This > disease effects all organ systems and all aspects of your life, and > goes through periods of remissions and "flares", when you symptoms > become out of control and cannot be managed with the protocol you are > on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, there are some things > you can do to help but ultimatly you have no control- case in point I > am a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner who obviously does > all the "right" type of things. I had been doing so well I was planning to > climb Mt. Washington as a show of hope for others with this life > altering disease. And 2 months ago out of the blue, I "crashed" - I > hit a flare that came, like they will do, overnight almost, and has > put me back into the disabled state I was less than 2 years ago. I am > now house bound, most days bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk > without a cane and cant stand for longer than a minute before my > cardiac involvement comes into play and my heart goes wacko, need a > wheelchair to go anywhere where there is walking like most stores or > hospitals ect., and in serious pain and stiffness in all joints and > muscles (Fibro). Most people know really nothing about these disease > and are shocked that they can do these things, and shocked at how much > they resemble other diseases but its like having many all at once. I > am now under the care of one of the top 3 specialists in the world for > these diseases, who has written 3 books that have helped thousands of > people > and helped the public understand the realness of these disabling > diseases. Dr. Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest > books says it all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor > Says Nothing Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well > the ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my > tanks has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or > the frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad > now. The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have > high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really > really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets > myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if > there was something I could do. Please do not recommend a Python, I > have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know how I can use > it. People said things about going to a harware store but I have no > idea what I would even say or look for or how I would know what would > fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good really specific > advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be ok. I look > forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is any other > disabled members who have tips on how they get around water changes. > Thanks all!BlessingsDR. Katie Ann Craft > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35953	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?

as for additives you could add some indian almond leaves or in the bottle form attisons betta spa **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35954	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: salt for betta?

I have never seen salt in soft acidic water that most bettas prefer. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

What is your nitrate reading? When you see the tank fully cycling the 4ppm of ammonia into nitrite and then into nitrate in 24 hours or less, where the ammonia and nitrite are BOTH 0.0ppm, before the addition of more ammonia, and then you nitrates keep climbing, then the tank is cycled. If this all happened in 3 weeks, then it was likely the sponge from your 40G that did the trick. We call that seeding the tank... but it could also be from some nitrifying bacteria that might have lived in the cracks and crevices of the gravel that survived the rinsing under the tap water. How long did you rinse it? That could also be a cause of your mold if there was still some detritus in the gravel, that could have started molding and the air stone simply created enough of a circulation to have any detritus/organics from the gravel or cycled sponge filter build up around and on the air stone and then start getting moldy. This is just a theory. I've never used an air stone while fishless cycling since the HOB was causing enough circulation and surface agitation to provide sufficient O2 levels in the water. I've never seen anyone, in any of the forums I've been in over the years, mention this slime/mold on their air stone during a fishless cycle either. I did a Google - mold fungus on air stone during fishless cycling - and this thread mentions the food going moldy... http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=33917 But this thread mentions something similar to what you are describing, in Jeska222's reply about 2/3's down in her reply on October 5, 2008 at 11:01p.m. (sorry.. couldn't find a link to the actual reply and no number either)... http://aquamaniacs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29130&start=0 and she also follows up in a post a little lower in the thread. I didn't read the full two page thread but here are snips from two of her replies in the thread.... (START SNIPS) Jeska222 says: "Thanks for all of the great advice! I'm actually having fun with all of this. I did notice something different today however. The diatoms are now gone...but now in their place I have a white almost slimy-cotton substance on them. I tried googling it, and only found info saying it was either a fungus or rotting food. Since I highly doubt it would be either of these things in my tank, although I guess fungus could be possible, I figured I'd ask!" Jeska222 says: "It's mostly just on the plants, and also some on the air stone (still haven't been able to find the coralife diffuser...). The majority of it was on my creeping charlie, so I took the plant out and rinse it really well, and pruned off anything that looked like it was rotting. I'm wondering if detritus could be causing the problem as some of the stems of the plant towards the middle of the bunch had to be trimmed off. The creeping charlie is in the corner of the tank, and near the air stone. The plants on the other side of the airstone do not have this stuff on it. As I'm thinking about it, it is a white-ish snot-like substance, similar to your description. So I wonder if I'm having a diatom problem. Yuck." (END SNIPS) Maybe someone else has some ideas on what this stuff is. I noticed Jeska222 was in Albert, CAN... are you up there too? Maybe it's something in the water. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, > fish food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > temperature and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain > ammonia method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding > fish food, then yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as > they start to rot which creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35956	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

hello, just wondering if you tried testing the tigers eye stones and what happened when you did ty, trish --- On Sun, 1/18/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 3:14 AM Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously posted watch out for copper based rocks --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > Lisa > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't want > it to > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > malachite. > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH�unless you > want it > > changed. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Lisa > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > the > > fish? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35957	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

throw it out and try a new air stone/ it probably grew on that for a weird reason/ why chance it? they are cheap things! lol, ttyl, trish --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 7:46 PM Never seen anything like that, except maybe an algae growth and that would be green looking. I have green hair algae growing off of the plants in my betta tank, I haven't removed it just because I know green algae isn't harmful and there aren't any live plants in the tank, but it does look a bit odd. Is this tank sitting near a window or are you leaving the lights on a lot? Are there any other decorations in the tank? I'm assuming when you say it's just on the air stone that you do have other stuff in the tank though ;) Does it look white like mold? Amber David Keymel wrote: > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35958	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Cycling Questions

Hi Fish Friends,   Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia?   One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's.   My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions?   Thanks, Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35959	From: Lisa	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

I chickned out. I don't want to kill my fish of stones in the process Lisa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > > hello, just wondering if you tried testing the tigers eye stones and what happened when you did ty, trish > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: > > From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 3:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put > > the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the > > ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl > > with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously > > posted watch out for copper based rocks > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > > > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't > > want > > > it to > > > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > > > malachite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH unless you > > > want it > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of Lisa > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater > > aquariums > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > > > the > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35960	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums

i'm a scardy cat too!lol i thought you were gonna be my "guinea pig" lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: From: Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:25 AM I chickned out. I don't want to kill my fish of stones in the process Lisa --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Trish Souza <trish701922@ ...> wrote: > > hello, just wondering if you tried testing the tigers eye stones and what happened when you did ty, trish > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@ ...> wrote: > > From: turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Semi precious stones in freshwater aquariums > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 3:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a sample of tank water and check the PH. In a bowl or cup put > > the crystal you want into it and wait 24 - 48 hours to see what the > > ph is of the sample water with the crystal in it. Also have a bowl > > with no crystals in it to give you a control reading. Like previously > > posted watch out for copper based rocks > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks. Well i like collecting my crystals as well, so safer that i > > > asked and saved my fish and stones... > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > My rose quartz dissolved when I put it in a tank, and I didn't > > want > > > it to > > > > dissolve so I removed it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The obsidian was OK. I would avoid copper-based rocks like > > > malachite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you want to be careful they don't change your pH�unless you > > > want it > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of Lisa > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:41 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Semi precious stones in freshwater > > aquariums > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have some tiger eyes, rose quartz, blood stone, moonstone and > > > > obsidian (Green, sowflake, and rainbow) > > > > I was wondering, can I put these in the water, or will they kill > > > the > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35961	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]

I wish I knew to whom the credit goes for the original e-mail below. I am glad the photographer did get credit for her photos. I hope you enjoy them. - Deb � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � � � � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � = Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. = -----Inline Message Follows----- � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � � � = Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35962	From: William	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

If you are going to do the fishless cycling then make sure it is pure ammonia without any additives such as perfume. you will put in enough t measure between 3 and 4 ppm. When the ammonia and nitrite go to zero in 34 hours of adding the ammonia it s considered cycled. You will wish to do a water change to get rid of the nitrate that will be building up. Fishless cycling saves the lives of fish and so does not injure any fish if it is done right. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35963	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you can squeeze out the spong into the water i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35964	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]

This had incredible pictures of thousands of stingrays. It was worth seeing. I am sorry it did not show up in the e-mail. It showed up in my sent mail. I do not know why it didn't show up here. : ( � Deb --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] To: "friends" <Friends@...> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:29 PM I wish I knew to whom the credit goes for the original e-mail below. I am glad the photographer did get credit for her photos. I hope you enjoy them. - Deb � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � � � � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � = Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. = -----Inline Message Follows----- � � Mass Migration of Stingrays Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more agreeable waters. 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an amateur photographer, stumbled� across the phenomenon while looking for whale sharks. She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a few thousand' � 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best'� Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large schools. The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. . Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty of nature, too! � � � � � � = Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35965	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]

The list is set not to accept graphic files in e-mails. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] > > This had incredible pictures of thousands of stingrays. It was worth seeing. I am sorry it did > not show up in the e-mail. It showed up in my sent mail. I do not know why it didn't show up > here. : ( > > Deb > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] > To: "friends" <Friends@...> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:29 PM > > I wish I knew to whom the credit goes for the original e-mail below. I am glad > the photographer did get credit for her photos. I hope you enjoy them. - Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you > browse.Start Listening Now! > > > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. Check it out. = > > > -----Inline Message Follows----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35966	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you can squeeze out the spong into the water i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35967	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

It was very clear. However, I am wondering whether you are talking teaspoon per 5 gallons, less than that? Since I have a 29 gallon tank, I am wondering what I will add the first time to get somewhere close to that 4ppm without going WAY over?   Thank you for your nice instructions. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you can squeeze out the spong into the water i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35968	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Need betta advice

My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on vacation. Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get bronchitis. Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh air. I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little dried worms. OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the filters on my tank. The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change once a week. Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one to still be alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35969	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Those are not conditions that they need, they are only conditions that they can actually still manage to survive in. I keep my betta in a 10 gallon tank with gravel an ornaments. He is very happy, enough so that he makes a bubble nest almost weekly, waiting for a female to show up I guess ;). I don't suggest keeping a betta in a cup of water, they can survive but it's not the greatest way to live IMO. And from what I have heard those cups of water need more than just weekly water changes, I think I heard it should be daily. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a > week on > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know > how the > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > bottom of > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 > ml of > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water > when I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > must be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35970	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

well i have done 3 29 gallon tanks with ammonia and i find that about a capfull works, but start with less and add more if needed, it was a wide but shallow cap btw, a little ammonia goes a long way. also, having the ammonia around comes in handy, since your tanks will naturally use up ammonia, its a good cleaning agent when doing tank maintainance, i use it to clean off any crud on the clear light guards on my hood, works perfectly --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > It was very clear. However, I am wondering whether you are talking teaspoon per 5 gallons, less than that? Since I have a 29 gallon tank, I am wondering what I will add the first time to get somewhere close to that 4ppm without going WAY over? >   > Thank you for your nice instructions. > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > > From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > > > > > GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM > > first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to > > cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish > > second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have > > goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put > > it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the > > new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you > > can squeeze out the spong into the water > > i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have > > anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, > > but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank > > because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the > > fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the > > ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test > > the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it > > goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it > > down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and > > it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to > > nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first > > test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up > > start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates > > are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria > > should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and > > nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose > > of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Fish Friends, > > >   > > > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have > > a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about > > fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this > > is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local > > grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start > > dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep > > thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand > > that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine > > ammonia? > > >   > > > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one > > aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was > > long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I > > have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. > > >   > > > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my > > 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB > > filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep > > it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh > > no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything > > over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish > > slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do > > that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can > > change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some > > of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter > > right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow > > fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that > > matters. Opinions? > > >   > > > Thanks, > > > Deb > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35971	From: Trish Souza	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35972	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an occasional treat?   Deb P --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many times before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread looked more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like that... at least not the batch that I made. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) heheh http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I will probably try that one first. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > In the > > beginning, get > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > ingredients. > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at- > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > -> > > life-i > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i>> > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > from your > > algae > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > time. > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > where I'll > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > So the > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > the 11th > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > just peek at the Omega One > > brands > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > one has Hillstream's > > eating > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > product > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > will eat > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > on purpose? > > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > *Size*: > > > 6 cm > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > Vietnam > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > at high, cool > > water flow > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > *pH*: > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > copious algal growth, > > should > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > may be > > > helpful. > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > extending > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > almost > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > get a heater for backup > > > anyways. > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > might > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > outs... > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > to see > > > > what > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > perfect > > > > (tank > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > insulation > > > > so I > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > like to. > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > this site, > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > before > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > used above the > > > > water > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > double check > > > > hopefully > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > they > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ------------ --------- --------- ------     Recent Activity  21 New Members  1 New LinksVisit Your Group Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. All-Bran 10 Day Challenge Join the club and feel the benefits. Get in Shape on Yahoo! Groups Find a buddy and lose weight. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35973	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]

Okay, thanks for letting me know. Sorry you folks didn't get to see those really great pictures. They are fabulous! They might be available on snopes from someone checking for the truth in them or in the news if you google them and are interested.   Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM The list is set not to accept graphic files in e-mails. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] > > This had incredible pictures of thousands of stingrays. It was worth seeing. I am sorry it did > not show up in the e-mail. It showed up in my sent mail. I do not know why it didn't show up > here. : ( > > Deb > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@yahoo. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] > To: "friends" <Friends@Friendlypla ces.com> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:29 PM > > I wish I knew to whom the credit goes for the original e-mail below. I am glad > the photographer did get credit for her photos. I hope you enjoy them. - Deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! Let your friends enjoy the beauty > of nature, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you > browse.Start Listening Now! > > > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. Check it out. = > > > -----Inline Message Follows----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass Migration of Stingrays > > > > > Looking like giant leaves floating in the sea, thousands of Golden Rays are > seen here gathering off the coast of Mexico. The spectacular scene was captured > as the magnificent creatures made one of their biannual mass migrations to more > agreeable waters. > > > > > 3D4>Gliding silently beneath the waves, they turned vast areas of blue water > to gold off the northern tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Sandra Critelli, an > amateur photographer, stumbled  across the phenomenon while looking for whale > sharks. > > > > > She said: 'It was an unreal image, very difficult to describe. The surface > of the water was covered by warm and different shades of gold and looked like a > bed of autumn leaves gently moved by the wind. > > 'It's hard to say exactly how many there were, but in the range of a > few thousand' > > > > > > > > 'We were surrounded by them without seeing the edge of the school and we > could see many under the water surface too. I feel very fortunate I was there in > the right place at the right time to experience nature at its best' > > > > > Measuring up to 7ft (2.1 meters) from wing-tip to wing-tip, Golden rays are > also more prosaically known as cow nose rays. > > > > > > They have long, pointed pectoral fins that separate into two lobes in front of > their high-domed heads and give them a cow-like appearance. Despite having > poisonous stingers, they are known to be shy and non-threatening when in large > schools. > > > > > The population in the Gulf of Mexico migrates, in schools of as many as 10,000, > clockwise from western Florida to the Yucatan. > . > Don't forget to share this with others! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35974	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Hi Dora,   You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You certainly have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell your mates they can't even look at him anymore.   First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to live in his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger tank. He might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and there is space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger home! I personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish and it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to be kept in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less than a 10 gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. Finally, he would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those dried up worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like and that you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled water is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper minerals for fish.   Thank you from all of the fish in the world!   Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on vacation. Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get bronchitis. Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh air. I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little dried worms. OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the filters on my tank. The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change once a week. Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one to still be alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35975	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

Between 3 and 5 drops per gallon of a 10% solution of clear ammonia will give you between 4 ppm and 5 ppm. This spread (between 3 and 5) is due variations in the size of drops used. There are 60 drops per teaspoon. Start off on the low side, at 3 drops per gallon; for your 29 gallon tank, you would need a minimum of 1 1/2 tsp (about 90 drops) of ammonia. Test it after that and go from there, adding more only if necessary. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > It was very clear. However, I am wondering whether you are talking teaspoon per 5 gallons, less than that? Since I have a 29 gallon tank, I am wondering what I will add the first time to get somewhere close to that 4ppm without going WAY over? >   > Thank you for your nice instructions. > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: > > From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > > > > > GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM > > first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to > > cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish > > second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have > > goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put > > it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the > > new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you > > can squeeze out the spong into the water > > i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have > > anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, > > but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank > > because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the > > fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the > > ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test > > the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it > > goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it > > down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and > > it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to > > nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first > > test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up > > start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates > > are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria > > should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and > > nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose > > of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Fish Friends, > > >   > > > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have > > a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about > > fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this > > is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local > > grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start > > dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep > > thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand > > that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine > > ammonia? > > >   > > > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one > > aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was > > long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I > > have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. > > >   > > > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my > > 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB > > filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep > > it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh > > no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything > > over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish > > slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do > > that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can > > change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some > > of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter > > right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow > > fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that > > matters. Opinions? > > >   > > > Thanks, > > > Deb > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be the best kind though, any suggestions? On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > occasional treat? > > Deb P > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > times > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > looked > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > that... > at least not the batch that I made. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > heheh > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I > will probably try that one first. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > though. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > foods). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > In the > > > beginning, get > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at- > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > -> > > > life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > from your > > > algae > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > time. > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > where I'll > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > Products (L.V. > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > So the > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > the 11th > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > brands > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > eating > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > product > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > will eat > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > on purpose? > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > at high, cool > > > water flow > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > copious algal growth, > > > should > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > may be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > extending > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > almost > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > anyways. > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > might > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > outs... > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > so I > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35977	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

thank you. I will save this and use it when I am ready. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:32 AM Between 3 and 5 drops per gallon of a 10% solution of clear ammonia will give you between 4 ppm and 5 ppm. This spread (between 3 and 5) is due variations in the size of drops used. There are 60 drops per teaspoon. Start off on the low side, at 3 drops per gallon; for your 29 gallon tank, you would need a minimum of 1 1/2 tsp (about 90 drops) of ammonia. Test it after that and go from there, adding more only if necessary. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > It was very clear. However, I am wondering whether you are talking teaspoon per 5 gallons, less than that? Since I have a 29 gallon tank, I am wondering what I will add the first time to get somewhere close to that 4ppm without going WAY over? >   > Thank you for your nice instructions. > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@ ...> wrote: > > From: Trish Souza <trish701922@ ...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > > > > > GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM > > first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to > > cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish > > second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have > > goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put > > it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the > > new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you > > can squeeze out the spong into the water > > i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have > > anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, > > but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank > > because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the > > fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the > > ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test > > the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it > > goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it > > down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and > > it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to > > nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first > > test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up > > start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates > > are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria > > should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and > > nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose > > of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Fish Friends, > > >   > > > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have > > a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about > > fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this > > is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local > > grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start > > dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep > > thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand > > that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine > > ammonia? > > >   > > > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one > > aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was > > long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I > > have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. > > >   > > > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my > > 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB > > filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep > > it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh > > no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything > > over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish > > slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do > > that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can > > change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some > > of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter > > right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow > > fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that > > matters. Opinions? > > >   > > > Thanks, > > > Deb > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35978	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!!   I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing your old fish water away.   The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband didn't say a word about the thing!   Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be the best kind though, any suggestions? On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > occasional treat? > > Deb P > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > times > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > looked > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > that... > at least not the batch that I made. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > heheh > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I > will probably try that one first. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > though. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > foods). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > In the > > > beginning, get > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at- > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > -> > > > life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > from your > > > algae > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > time. > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > where I'll > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > Products (L.V. > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > So the > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > the 11th > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > brands > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > eating > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > product > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > will eat > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > on purpose? > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > at high, cool > > > water flow > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > copious algal growth, > > > should > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > may be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > extending > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > almost > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > anyways. > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > might > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > outs... > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > so I > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > > this site, > > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > > before > > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > water > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > double check > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > they > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > Recent Activity > > 21 > New Members > > 1 > New LinksVisit Your Group > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > Articles, tools, > forms, and more. > > All-Bran > 10 Day Challenge > Join the club and > feel the benefits. > > Get in Shape > on Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Did you have any sort of filter in/on the tank? I have either west facing windows or east facing windows as my options. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I > had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the > looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!! > > I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, > even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a > difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the > window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I > would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I > were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer > it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it > and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start > it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing > your old fish water away. > > The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it > someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who > don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband > didn't say a word about the thing! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > the best kind though, any suggestions? > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > occasional treat? > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at- > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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I see that it was only > > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > > double check > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 21 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New LinksVisit Your Group > > > > Biz Resources > > Y! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35980	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I don't remember whether I ran the filter. I was thinking that I may have ultimately turned the filter off and the algae continued to go nuts. I may have turned the filter back on at some point because it became smelly? I really don't remember. Sorry.  I think it would work either way because we all get algae troubles in our filtered tanks and it is especially known to grow in ponds and waterways that don't have water movement. Just don't clean your filter if you use it. : )   Your west window will get more light, in general, I think because it will get afternoon and evening light. Your east window will get morning light. So, given your choices, you are probably going to get more algae in the west window. Turn the light on in the morning. You could leave it on the rest of the day, but you may not even need it.   Good luck and let us know how this goes! Deb --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Did you have any sort of filter in/on the tank? I have either west facing windows or east facing windows as my options. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I > had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the > looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!! > > I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, > even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a > difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the > window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I > would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I > were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer > it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it > and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start > it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing > your old fish water away. > > The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it > someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who > don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband > didn't say a word about the thing! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > the best kind though, any suggestions? > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > occasional treat? > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at- > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35981	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Wait, when I say, don't clean the filter, I mean don't replace anything. You shouldn't let everything get totally clogged so the motor burns up, of course! --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 2:15 AM I don't remember whether I ran the filter. I was thinking that I may have ultimately turned the filter off and the algae continued to go nuts. I may have turned the filter back on at some point because it became smelly? I really don't remember. Sorry.  I think it would work either way because we all get algae troubles in our filtered tanks and it is especially known to grow in ponds and waterways that don't have water movement. Just don't clean your filter if you use it. : )   Your west window will get more light, in general, I think because it will get afternoon and evening light. Your east window will get morning light. So, given your choices, you are probably going to get more algae in the west window. Turn the light on in the morning. You could leave it on the rest of the day, but you may not even need it.   Good luck and let us know how this goes! Deb --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: Did you have any sort of filter in/on the tank? I have either west facing windows or east facing windows as my options. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I > had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the > looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!! > > I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, > even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a > difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the > window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I > would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I > were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer > it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it > and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start > it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing > your old fish water away. > > The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it > someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who > don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband > didn't say a word about the thing! > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > the best kind though, any suggestions? > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > occasional treat? > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at- > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35982	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Well living room window it is then, LOL. I think I can hide it behind the guppy fry tank for now, until the fry are big enough to go with the other fish, then I'm not sure what that tank will be for ;) I will have to keep it cycled though as it has plants in it. Any suggestions? Suppose I could leave a couple of the fry in it (same gender, no babies, hehe). So far it's like the recovery tank for plants that the other fish beat up :) LOL. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I don't remember whether I ran the filter. I was thinking that I may > have ultimately turned the filter off and the algae continued to go > nuts. I may have turned the filter back on at some point because it > became smelly? I really don't remember. Sorry. I think it would work > either way because we all get algae troubles in our filtered tanks and > it is especially known to grow in ponds and waterways that don't have > water movement. Just don't clean your filter if you use it. : ) > > Your west window will get more light, in general, I think because it > will get afternoon and evening light. Your east window will get > morning light. So, given your choices, you are probably going to get > more algae in the west window. Turn the light on in the morning. You > could leave it on the rest of the day, but you may not even need it. > > Good luck and let us know how this goes! > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Did you have any sort of filter in/on the tank? > I have either west facing windows or east facing windows as my options. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I > > had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the > > looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!! > > > > I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, > > even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a > > difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the > > window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I > > would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I > > were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer > > it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it > > and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start > > it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing > > your old fish water away. > > > > The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it > > someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who > > don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband > > didn't say a word about the thing! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > > the best kind though, any suggestions? > > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > > occasional treat? > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > > times > > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > > looked > > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > > that... > > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > > heheh > > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > > it, I > > > will probably try that one first. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own > homework? LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles > referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > > though. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could > use, > > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and > specialty > > > foods). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and > running. > > > > > > In the > > > > > beginning, get > > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some > of the > > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > > check > > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at- > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > -> > > > > > life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or > decoration > > > > > > from your > > > > > algae > > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one > at a > > > > time. > > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > > where I'll > > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's > ready for > > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also > mentions > > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable > > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which > start > > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal > (L.V. > > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > > Products (L.V. > > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > > So the > > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not > until > > > > > the 11th > > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > > brands > > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what > kind > > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any > Sticky's > > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream > loach - > > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > > eating > > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type > food > > > > > product > > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > > will eat > > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've > found > > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > > algae > > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community > tank, > > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium > similar > > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > > at high, cool > > > > > water flow > > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an > opportunist, it > > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > > eaten. > > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > > should > > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae > cultivation > > > > > may be > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > > extending > > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally > small, > > > > > almost > > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already > had the > > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these > loaches I > > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it > running > > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will > likely > > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet > another > > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you > can coat > > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware > store > > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and > cranny's. I > > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35983	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

LOL, okay understood :) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Wait, when I say, don't clean the filter, I mean don't replace > anything. You shouldn't let everything get totally clogged so the > motor burns up, of course! > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 2:15 AM > > I don't remember whether I ran the filter. I was thinking that I may > have ultimately turned the filter off and the algae continued to go > nuts. I may have turned the filter back on at some point because it > became smelly? I really don't remember. Sorry. I think it would work > either way because we all get algae troubles in our filtered tanks and > it is especially known to grow in ponds and waterways that don't have > water movement. Just don't clean your filter if you use it. : ) > > Your west window will get more light, in general, I think because it > will get afternoon and evening light. Your east window will get > morning light. So, given your choices, you are probably going to get > more algae in the west window. Turn the light on in the morning. You > could leave it on the rest of the day, but you may not even need it. > > Good luck and let us know how this goes! > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > Did you have any sort of filter in/on the tank? > I have either west facing windows or east facing windows as my options. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > I did an algae tank for a while. Unfortunately the only good place I > > had to put it in my house was my living room. You should have seen the > > looks on people's faces when they came into my house!! LOL!!! > > > > I had it in a room that got a fair amount of east light. It grew well, > > even in the winter. I don't think being overcast will make a > > difference once it gets going. I did not have mine directly in the > > window. I turned a light on in the tank during the day, just as I > > would for plants. I fed it flake food once in a while, just as if I > > were overfeeding fish. I just gave it a tiny bit but I wanted to offer > > it some nutrition. It went nuts! I used a tank that had had fish in it > > and so had plenty of nitrates. You could use old fish water to start > > it and do PWCs adding old fish water to feed it instead of throwing > > your old fish water away. > > > > The one bit of advice I would give in retrospect is to put it > > someplace that is not in public view if you might have people who > > don't know you well coming over. I still can't believe my husband > > didn't say a word about the thing! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > > the best kind though, any suggestions? > > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > > occasional treat? > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > > times > > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > > looked > > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > > that... > > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > > heheh > > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > > it, I > > > will probably try that one first. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own > homework? LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles > referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > > though. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could > use, > > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and > specialty > > > foods). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and > running. > > > > > > In the > > > > > beginning, get > > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some > of the > > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > > check > > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at- > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > -> > > > > > life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or > decoration > > > > > > from your > > > > > algae > > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one > at a > > > > time. > > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > > where I'll > > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's > ready for > > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also > mentions > > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable > > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which > start > > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal > (L.V. > > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > > Products (L.V. > > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > > So the > > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not > until > > > > > the 11th > > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > > brands > > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what > kind > > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any > Sticky's > > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream > loach - > > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > > eating > > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type > food > > > > > product > > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > > will eat > > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've > found > > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > > algae > > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community > tank, > > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium > similar > > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > > at high, cool > > > > > water flow > > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an > opportunist, it > > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > > eaten. > > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > > should > > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae > cultivation > > > > > may be > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > > extending > > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally > small, > > > > > almost > > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already > had the > > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these > loaches I > > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it > running > > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will > likely > > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet > another > > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you > can coat > > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > <amber@rose- fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware > store > > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

If you go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page, near the top of the page, you'll see info and more links to detailed step-by-step articles on "Fishless Cycling". The nitrifying bacteria need ammonia to grow.. it doesn't matter if it's plain ammonia from a bottle, fish urine.. or even human urine. ;-) The bottle ammonia does have to be "plain" ammonia, usually a 10% ammonium hydroxide solution with no soaps, scents, surfactants, etc. Usually, mom/pop hardware stores, Ace Hardware, etc., type stores are the best places to find this type of ammonia since many grocery stores like to sell the lemon-scented type products and/or sudsy ammonia (meaning soaps/surfactants in it). Taking dirty water from an existing tank will do little to establish the nitrogen cycle since the nitrifying bacteria grow on the surfaces of things in the tank.. mostly in the filter media since that is where the majority of the "food" (ammonia/nitrites) pass through on a continual basis. Goldfish are not poison to other fish. This misconception comes from people sticking goldfish in undersized tanks and then, since they are BIG fish, they put out a lot more ammonia and then it's this elevated ammonia level that kills off other fish. Goldfish can survive these horrendous conditions longer but will also succumb to ammonia poisoning if exposed to it for too long. There should not be any "goldfish slime" in the water of a sufficiently sized and properly maintained tank... and if the tank isn't properly maintained, it will not matter whether there are a 100 guppies or a single goldfish... the water will be fouled and become toxic. The primary reason that goldfish should be kept in a separate larger tank than tropical fish is that goldfish prefer and need cooler water temperatures (60's and low 70's) that have higher O2 levels where tropical fish prefer... well, tropical water temperatures (high 70's and low 80's). I have goldfish and tropical's and occasionally have to temporarily house rescued "tropical's" in my goldfish tank with no problems (after quarantine, of course).. in fact, some fish sold as tropical fish actually prefer goldfish type water parameters and temps, like Zebra Danios, Buenos Aires Tetras and even Guppies... and many more. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:06 PM To: Aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling Questions Hi Fish Friends,   Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia?   One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's.   My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions?   Thanks, Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35985	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico]

Most Yahoo Groups do not allow attachments as attachments, nowadays even pictures, can have viruses, trojans, macros, etc. embedded in them. It's best to upload the photos to your own online album or use the groups Photos section to create a folder for your images and upload them there. Then others can view your images. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] This had incredible pictures of thousands of stingrays. It was worth seeing. I am sorry it did not show up in the e-mail. It showed up in my sent mail. I do not know why it didn't show up here. : (   Deb --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fw: STINGRAY MIGRATION, Gulf of Mexico] To: "friends" <Friends@...> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:29 PM I wish I knew to whom the credit goes for the original e-mail below. I am glad the photographer did get credit for her photos. I hope you enjoy them. - Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35986	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

That advice isn't exactly accurate. Unfortunately, there are still far too many people that will buy a feeder goldfish as the first fish for a new tank and use that goldfish to "cycle" the tank and then when the goldfish gets sick and dies, they trash it.. or worse, when the tank is cycled, they flush the goldfish and add their tropical fish. Fortunately, for those who choose to be informed, there are better, safer and more humane methods for cycling a tank such as products like Dr. Tim's One And Only, fishless cycling using plain ammonia, etc. Unfortunately, the old saying "Ignorance Is Bliss", still permeates the pet stores and local fish stores out there so many of these sources of information for beginners give them all kinds of bad information. I jokingly have changed the saying, "Ignorance Is Bliss" to "Ignorance Is Bliss.. until you realize you are!" Then it's not so blissful. LOL Fortunately, there are groups like this and many other internet sources and books where folks can come to learn proper information from people who actually do it for a hobby and many even keep fish for a living. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you can squeeze out the spong into the water i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

Depending on the strength of the ammonia and the size of the dropper, it's usually 3 to 5 drops per gallon to raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. It's best to start off with 3 drops per gallon, then test the water. If it's at 3ppm, then your dropper is a good sized dropper and you know you can then add another drop per gallon to raise it to 4ppm. During the cycling process, if the ammonia level drops to 2ppm, you know that adding 2 drops per gallon would raise it back up to 4ppm... etc., etc. Read over those detailed articles with step-by-step instructions and all of these things are explained. You can print out the article and use it like a recipe.. except you'll be cooking up some good nitrifying bacteria... instead of brownies. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions It was very clear. However, I am wondering whether you are talking teaspoon per 5 gallons, less than that? Since I have a 29 gallon tank, I am wondering what I will add the first time to get somewhere close to that 4ppm without going WAY over?   Thank you for your nice instructions. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Trish Souza <trish701922@...> wrote: From: Trish Souza <trish701922@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:53 PM GOOD CLEAR ANSWER!!!! I WILL USE YOUR EXACT ADVICE VERY SOON! simple instructions for a simple mind/ lol thanks to you! --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cycling Questions To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:35 AM first off all i hear from every source is never use goldfish to cycle a tank that is not going to house goldfish second if you have a tank that is established and doesn't have goldfish, use a handful of gravel to seed the new tank, either put it in a mesh bag in the filter or put it on the new gravel in the new tank, also if the filter on the established tank has a spong you can squeeze out the spong into the water i bought walmart brand ammonia, it's pure so it doesn't have anyhting esle in it that will remain in the tank and harm the fish, but when you use ammonia you should not have fish in the tank because it will harm them so the amonia itself will not poison the fish since it will be used by the bacteria, now when using the ammonia you want to add very small ammount let the tank run, test the ammonia, keep it under 4ppm if it's too low add some more if it goes too high you should probably do a water change to bring it down. now if you seeded the cycling will start to happen quicker and it doesn't take long for the bacteria to convert it from amonia to nitrite to natrate once they start multiplying in there. so at first test ammonia and nitrite daily once you start to see nitrite go up start testing nitrates with it then once the ammonia and nitrates are gone and you have only nitrates you can add fish. the bacteria should survive easily for two days after all the ammonia and nitrites are gone. you can also test it by adding another small dose of ammonia to mae sure it's cycled properly and then add your fish --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Hi Fish Friends, >   > Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia? >   > One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's. >   > My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions? >   > Thanks, > Deb

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump the fake flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when your housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad you cleaned out all the poo. ;-) Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them in a spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate first. Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside the betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is probably a lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of their organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head area. Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God gave them their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than wonderful conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often low in oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like that in the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow filtration system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their Bettas in their tropical community tanks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on vacation. Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get bronchitis. Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh air. I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little dried worms. OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the filters on my tank. The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change once a week. Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one to still be alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35989	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Hydrogen Peroxide can be used to clean things for fish tanks but I would avoid Alcohol. Even though it mostly evaporates away, I'm just not sure if the air stone might not soak up some of it and then leach it back into the water. Other "natural" things that can be used are Vinegar, Ammonia (plain, non-sudsy, no surfactants/soaps), Brine solution (very strong salt water solution), etc. All of these rinse away easy enough and if any remnants are missed, they will not harm the fish in such small quantities. I'm not sure the fuzz or mold is all that harmful though, although taking a swab and checking it out under a microscope. I know I've read many threads where someone will put a piece of driftwood in a tank and it will grow a white fuzzy mold on it but after a period of time, as the rest of the tanks ecology catches up, the mold dies off. Remember that an aquarium is a mini-ecosystem and it will eventually have all of the same molds, fungi, bacteria, microbiological life forms, etc., as your local pond. Doing regular and frequent PWC's, tank and filter maintenance will keep it from becoming a sludge pond. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, > fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain > ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, > then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot > which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35990	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Yes, most of the good goldfish sites recommend various gel-food recipes that include lots of fresh seafood items, veggies, etc., in them. Do a search in the Messages section of this group, for - goldfish gelfood gel-food recipes - and you'll find the many previous threads where we've discussed these including all of the links to the recipes. I can't look them up right now since I'm doing some security updates/scans to my computer and IE is off right now so I'm just answering a few emails. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an occasional treat?   Deb P --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many times before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread looked more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like that... at least not the batch that I made. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) heheh http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I will probably try that one first. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them though. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty foods). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > In the > > beginning, get > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > ingredients. > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at- > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > -> > > life-i > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- at > > > > -life-i>> > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > from your > > algae > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > time. > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > where I'll > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery Products (L.V. > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > So the > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > the 11th > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > just peek at the Omega One > > brands > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > one has Hillstream's > > eating > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > product > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > will eat > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > on purpose? > > > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > *Size*: > > > 6 cm > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > Vietnam > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > at high, cool > > water flow > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > *pH*: > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > copious algal growth, > > should > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > may be > > > helpful. > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > extending > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > almost > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > get a heater for backup > > > anyways. > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > might > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > outs... > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35991	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in absorbing other materials into them. One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous environment. Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such connections. I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded them, but then, why take this chance. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > stone.... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35992	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine shrimp? I do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like that. I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high because it is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. It is essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even has a name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They have a little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video games. The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice Hi Dora, You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You certainly have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell your mates they can't even look at him anymore. First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to live in his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger tank. He might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and there is space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger home! I personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish and it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to be kept in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less than a 10 gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. Finally, he would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those dried up worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like and that you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled water is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper minerals for fish. Thank you from all of the fish in the world! Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on vacation. Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get bronchitis. Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh air. I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little dried worms. OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the filters on my tank. The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change once a week. Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one to still be alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35993	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Yea, ill keep an eye on it. i don't plan to house the breeding pair in the tank until its had a few weeks of settling in with some fishes in there. I am just paranoid i guess. Unfortunately i cannot provide the Nitrate level. i did a water change yesterday. I think Lenny is right about the mold it will calm down as the ecosystem fills in. i know i had it bad in my tank once and it just went away on its own after a short while. --Dave On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Hydrogen Peroxide can be used to clean things for fish tanks but I would > avoid Alcohol. Even though it mostly evaporates away, I'm just not sure if > the air stone might not soak up some of it and then leach it back into the > water. Other "natural" things that can be used are Vinegar, Ammonia (plain, > non-sudsy, no surfactants/soaps), Brine solution (very strong salt water > solution), etc. All of these rinse away easy enough and if any remnants are > missed, they will not harm the fish in such small quantities. > > I'm not sure the fuzz or mold is all that harmful though, although taking a > swab and checking it out under a microscope. I know I've read many threads > where someone will put a piece of driftwood in a tank and it will grow a > white fuzzy mold on it but after a period of time, as the rest of the tanks > ecology catches up, the mold dies off. Remember that an aquarium is a > mini-ecosystem and it will eventually have all of the same molds, fungi, > bacteria, microbiological life forms, etc., as your local pond. > > Doing regular and frequent PWC's, tank and filter maintenance will keep it > from becoming a sludge pond. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Trish Souza > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:39 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm > i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or > alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank > a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM > > It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. > > Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for > > the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new > > filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 > > gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing > > 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its > > been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at > > about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had > > in my tank gravel about a year ago. > > --Dave > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > >> How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, >> fish > >> food, urine ???? > >> > >> What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, >> temperature > >> and any others you may have? > >> > >> Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain >> ammonia > >> method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, >> then > >> yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot >> which > >> creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> Month) > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On > >> Behalf Of David Keymel > >> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > >> > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so >> once > >> before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > >> coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35994	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an upgrade. Or the betta will be dead in a week. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump the fake flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when your housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad you cleaned out all the poo. ;-) Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them in a spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate first. Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside the betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is probably a lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of their organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head area. Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God gave them their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than wonderful conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often low in oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like that in the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow filtration system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their Bettas in their tropical community tanks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on vacation. Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get bronchitis. Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh air. I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little dried worms. OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the filters on my tank. The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change once a week. Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one to still be alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35995	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an upgrade. Or the > betta will be dead in a week. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump the fake > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when your > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad you > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them in a > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate first. > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside the > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is probably a > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of their > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head area. > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God gave them > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than wonderful > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often low in > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like that in > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow filtration > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their Bettas in > their tropical community tanks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on > > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35996	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. Is there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged all the time in water. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in > absorbing other materials into them. > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > environment. > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > connections. > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >> stone.... >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35997	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. Is > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged all > the time in water. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > environment. > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > > connections. > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > >> stone.... > >> > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35998	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Yahoo has regular issues with mail delivery. I think i saw your post to Dora also so you should be in the clear. I know my gmail account filters out my messages i send that come back from yahoo as duplicates. auto deletes them for me. Perhaps your mail software is doing something similar? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: >> >> Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. > Is >> there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a >> decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > all >> the time in water. >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel >> <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >> > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > quite >> > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, >> > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > and >> > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > to be >> > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > attracted >> > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > their >> > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > as an >> > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > rising >> > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > have >> > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > contact >> > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > unheard of >> > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time > in >> > absorbing other materials into them. >> > >> > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the >> > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated > by >> > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > solid >> > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > manufacture >> > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous >> > environment. >> > >> > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > or >> > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this >> > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you > want >> > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy >> > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > resist >> > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > maybe >> > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > would >> > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure >> > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it > as it >> > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up > of >> > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. >> > >> > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > on >> > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > aquarium >> > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water >> > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold >> > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > While I >> > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I >> > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > that >> > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the >> > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as >> > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > opportunity >> > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > too >> > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > you're >> > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > need to >> > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > below. >> > >> > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > seemingly >> > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > to >> > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > Just as >> > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > not >> > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to >> > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > molded >> > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > live >> > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > issues are >> > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see >> > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such >> > connections. >> > >> > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul >> > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite >> > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > aquatic >> > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > separated >> > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, >> > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > being >> > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > Hyphae) >> > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like >> > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > food >> > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > declina is >> > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia >> > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. >> > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or >> > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > upon >> > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > best >> > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > remain >> > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > its >> > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > wounds >> > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > invaded >> > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > last few >> >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did > so >> >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >> >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >> >> stone.... >> >> >> > >> > >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 35999	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: O/T Group Email Issues, was - Air stone fuzz/mold

David, Since my first reply to you was received by you as an email, yes, I did assume that my reply to Dora was also received by others as an email even though I never received either of them, since I saw both were logged into the archives. I have since received my last reply to you as an email, and your present (below) reply back, as an email. I know Yahoo sometimes has issues, but I believe that's generally a blanket problem effecting everyone. Still can't understand these two missing emails only at this address (never had that one happen before), but it looks fine now. Thanks for the input. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Yahoo has regular issues with mail delivery. I think i saw your post > to Dora also so you should be in the clear. I know my gmail account > filters out my messages i send that come back from yahoo as > duplicates. auto deletes them for me. Perhaps your mail software is > doing something similar? > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Raymond Wetzel > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. > > Is > >> there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > >> decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > > all > >> the time in water. > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > >> <sevenspringss@> wrote: > >> > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > > quite > >> > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > >> > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > > and > >> > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > > to be > >> > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > > attracted > >> > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > > their > >> > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > > as an > >> > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > > rising > >> > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > > have > >> > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > > contact > >> > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > > unheard of > >> > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time > > in > >> > absorbing other materials into them. > >> > > >> > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > >> > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated > > by > >> > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > > solid > >> > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > > manufacture > >> > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > >> > environment. > >> > > >> > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > > or > >> > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > >> > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you > > want > >> > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > >> > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > > resist > >> > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > > maybe > >> > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > > would > >> > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > >> > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it > > as it > >> > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up > > of > >> > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > >> > > >> > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > > on > >> > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > > aquarium > >> > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > >> > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > >> > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > > While I > >> > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > >> > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > > that > >> > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > >> > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > >> > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > > opportunity > >> > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > > too > >> > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > > you're > >> > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > > need to > >> > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > > below. > >> > > >> > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > > seemingly > >> > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > > to > >> > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > > Just as > >> > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > > not > >> > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > >> > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > > molded > >> > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > > live > >> > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > > issues are > >> > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > >> > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > >> > connections. > >> > > >> > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > >> > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > >> > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > > aquatic > >> > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > > separated > >> > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > >> > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > > being > >> > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > > Hyphae) > >> > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony- like > >> > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > > food > >> > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > > declina is > >> > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > >> > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > >> > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > >> > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > > upon > >> > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > > best > >> > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > > remain > >> > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > > its > >> > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > > wounds > >> > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > > invaded > >> > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > >> > > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > > last few > >> >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did > > so > >> >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > >> >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > >> >> stone.... > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36000	From: Jennie	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: fish loss question

My molly had curved spine and it was internal parasites. I saved her but not her sister. Jennie   --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Chris <odragonmommy@...> wrote: From: Chris <odragonmommy@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] fish loss question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 8:12 PM I have a 16g bowfront, temp 72, running a 30g rated penguin biowheel, gravel, plastic plants, fish occupants 6 in pleco (i know he is getting too big) 2 cory cats, 1 Lfzebra danio, 2 platy (now), 2 molly(now)and 1 swordtail (now)....... I say now on some because since christmas I have lost 1 platy, one swordtail, and tonight a molly....... I tested with my API kit....ph6.8, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate slight less than 5, ammonia 0ppm........ Question is what caused 3 deaths in such a short time? THe swortail and the molly were within a week......The mail swordtail now looks like his spine may be curving..... Is there anything I can do to help this tank? What about the swordtail? Thanks in advance, Christine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36001	From: Nedra	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Transitioning baby cichlids to prepared food -- how do you get them

Reporting on the baby apistogramma (now 2 weeks old) in a 55 gal show tank with predatory angels, tetras and rams. They are now too large for the rams to eat - the tetras would still try if they got a chance and of course, the angels are true predators; but Mom and Dad are doing a masterful job protecting the baby's territory. Also, not sure how to transition them over to dry or frozen food. I tried putting some frozen baby brine in a couple of days ago and they didn't recognize it as food. I watched the babies feed on live brine - in the middle of a colony of hydra attached to both the gravel and the plants. They would chase a brine shrimp and purposefully avoid the outstretched hydra tentacles if the baby brine darted in that direction. I guess that's what fish learn to do with anemones in the ocean?? Anyway, I was pretty impressed. And it seems like Mom moves them a few inches when the hydra colony gets too dense in the current feeding area. The corydora catfish moves right into the old feeding area and roots around for leftover microworms or brine shrimp and by doing so, he either eats the hydra or dislodges them. The Mom moves the babies back after a day or so. This is my very first experience breeding dwarf cichlids, and as you can tell, I am very excited! I noticed yesterday that the Mom has a relatively large wound on her side just below the dorsal fin -- the scales are completely gone -- her muscle is showing -- looks like the scales and skin were peeled right off -- I think she may have done it on the petrified wood when she dashes out to chase intruders away. Her fins are good though -- not clamped, she's eating and very actively parenting her brood. There's no way I could catch her in this tank without destroying it, so I'm going to have to wait and see. Having babies in this tank was not my idea, but it's been wonderful to observe. I'm going away for a week starting Feb 16,and my fish sitter probably won't strain brine shrimp or collect microworms from the culture -- so if these babies don't grow really big in the next 4 weeks and start taking regular food, I doubt they'll make it through my absence. Any advise is very welcome as always.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36002	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transitioning baby cichlids to prepared food -- how do you get t

Congrats on raising these Apistos up to this point so far. As with ALL food transitioning/weaning periods, you need to always mix both old (original food with the new food while giving them their feedings. In this way, they will very quickly associate one with the other and recognize the new offering as food when "trying" it at this same time. Without this benefit of food recognition by mixing, most fish will usually learn a new offering has turned out to be food, but not before much more time in trial and error, along with hunger driving them to try this unknown new stuff. BTW, this transitioning even goes for changes in food size for similar types of food; if for instance you're feeding your fish on small pellets and they have grown to a size where they can now eat medium pellets, they will not recognize medium pellets as food at first, unless you mix it with small at the same time. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nedra" <terrierlover2002@...> wrote: > > Reporting on the baby apistogramma (now 2 weeks old) in a 55 gal > show tank with predatory angels, tetras and rams. They are now too > large for the rams to eat - the tetras would still try if they got a > chance and of course, the angels are true predators; but Mom and Dad > are doing a masterful job protecting the baby's territory. > > Also, not sure how to transition them over to dry or frozen food. I > tried putting some frozen baby brine in a couple of days ago and > they didn't recognize it as food. > > I watched the babies feed on live brine - in the middle of a colony > of hydra attached to both the gravel and the plants. They would > chase a brine shrimp and purposefully avoid the outstretched hydra > tentacles if the baby brine darted in that direction. I guess > that's what fish learn to do with anemones in the ocean?? Anyway, I > was pretty impressed. And it seems like Mom moves them a few inches > when the hydra colony gets too dense in the current feeding area. > The corydora catfish moves right into the old feeding area and roots > around for leftover microworms or brine shrimp and by doing so, he > either eats the hydra or dislodges them. The Mom moves the babies > back after a day or so. > This is my very first experience breeding dwarf cichlids, and as you > can tell, I am very excited! > I noticed yesterday that the Mom has a relatively large wound on her > side just below the dorsal fin -- the scales are completely gone -- > her muscle is showing -- looks like the scales and skin were peeled > right off -- I think she may have done it on the petrified wood when > she dashes out to chase intruders away. Her fins are good though -- > not clamped, she's eating and very actively parenting her brood. > There's no way I could catch her in this tank without destroying it, > so I'm going to have to wait and see. > Having babies in this tank was not my idea, but it's been wonderful > to observe. I'm going away for a week starting Feb 16,and my fish > sitter probably won't strain brine shrimp or collect microworms from > the culture -- so if these babies don't grow really big in the next > 4 weeks and start taking regular food, I doubt they'll make it > through my absence. > Any advise is very welcome as always. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36003	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the water as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them either. http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 gallon fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles in it quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as it will go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not he just rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. Still he is good company while working at the desk. The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are doing, says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you keep them in a jar, or bowl. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine shrimp? > I > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like that. > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high because it > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. It is > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even has a > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They have a > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video games. > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... <pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > Hi Dora, > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You certainly > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell your > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to live in > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger tank. He > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and there is > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger home! I > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish and > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to be > kept > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less than a 10 > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. Finally, he > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those dried > up > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like and that > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled water > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > minerals for fish. > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how > the > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36004	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Katie, in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time if you decide for the portable one. The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of few hours. I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle you are fighting. giuseppe --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@...> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36005	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would mean not acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be pretty similar. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the water as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them either. http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 gallon fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles in it quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as it will go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not he just rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. Still he is good company while working at the desk. The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are doing, says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you keep them in a jar, or bowl. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine shrimp? > I > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like that. > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high because it > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. It is > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even has a > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They have a > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video games. > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... <pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > Hi Dora, > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > certainly > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell your > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to live in > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger tank. He > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and there is > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger home! I > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish and > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to be > kept > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less than a 10 > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. Finally, > he > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those dried > up > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like and that > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled water > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > minerals for fish. > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how > the > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when > I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must > be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36006	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

I did it several times when in the bowl... The trick was to have the water the same temp. I would put the bucket of new water on the desk beside the bowl the day before. The next day it was the same temp. as the bowl, and I would dump thru a net, out him in the bucket clean bow in declored water, and dump it into the newly cleaned bowl. He might sulk for 5 or 10 min. but then he was up wagging around looking for food... I would not do this if the water quality of the bowl I was changing was not pretty good - you want it to be real similar to the new water. That is why you change it so often. This way the fish gets stressed once a week, and this 100%, the real stresser was only every other week. Still it is kind of a pain to do it, so I am much happier with the tank. It is 3 gallon, I change a gallon one week and 2 gallon the next. He still sulks some... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would mean not > > acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be pretty > > similar. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the > water > as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them > either. > > http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm > > I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 gallon > fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles in it > quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as it will > go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the > output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing > nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the > pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not he just > rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. > Still he is good company while working at the desk. > > The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are doing, > says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you keep them > in a jar, or bowl. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine shrimp? > > I > > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like > that. > > > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high because > it > > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. It is > > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even has a > > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got > > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They have a > > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video games. > > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... <pennafd%40yahoo.com><pennafd% > 40yahoo.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > Hi Dora, > > > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > > certainly > > > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell your > > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to live in > > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger tank. He > > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and there > is > > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger home! I > > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish > and > > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to be > > kept > > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less than a > 10 > > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. Finally, > > he > > > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those dried > > up > > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like and that > > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled > water > > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > > minerals for fish. > > > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > > <tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24%40yahoo.com > >> > > wrote: > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24% > 40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week > on > > vacation. > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how > > the > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > > bronchitis. > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom > of > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > > fresh > > air. > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml > of > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when > > > I > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > > dried worms. > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > > filters on my tank. > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > > change > > once a week. > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must > > be > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > > to still be alive. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36007	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Okay after seeing pictures of the hillstream loaches with tons of snails around the tank (from plants), I'm very sure that these guys aren't going to eat any of the bigger mystery snails. There are lots of pics of the different hillstreams here, some with the snails showing ;) heheh http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/dienyddio/Loaches02# Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, most of the good goldfish sites recommend various gel-food recipes > that include lots of fresh seafood items, veggies, etc., in them. Do a > search in the Messages section of this group, for - goldfish gelfood > gel-food recipes - and you'll find the many previous threads where we've > discussed these including all of the links to the recipes. I can't look > them up right now since I'm doing some security updates/scans to my > computer > and IE is off right now so I'm just answering a few emails. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > occasional treat? > > Deb P > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > times > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > looked > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > that... > at least not the batch that I made. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > heheh > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I > will probably try that one first. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > though. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > foods). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > In the > > > beginning, get > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at- > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > -> > > > life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- specialists- > at > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > from your > > > algae > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > time. > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > where I'll > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > Products (L.V. > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > So the > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > the 11th > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > brands > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > eating > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > product > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > will eat > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > on purpose? > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > at high, cool > > > water flow > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > copious algal growth, > > > should > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > may be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > extending > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > almost > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > anyways. > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > might > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > outs... > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36008	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Yeah my betta is sensitive at cleaning times too, even in the 10 gallon tank he's in (it's a castle compared to what he used to be in at the LFS). it does have a filter in it (one of the 10 gallon kits from walmart with a HOB filter), and it's a little faster flowing than I would wish it to be, but I put plastic/silk plants in front of it and it seems to slow the water down enough to make him happy most of the time. I need to trim the hair algae though, it's trying to invade the tank I swear ;). As soon as I get my algae tank up and going I'm going to trim some of that hair algae and add it to the algae tank to help get it started, as well as some left over tank water from cleanings. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > I did it several times when in the bowl... The trick was to have the water > the same temp. I would put the bucket of new water on the desk beside the > bowl the day before. The next day it was the same temp. as the bowl, and I > would dump thru a net, out him in the bucket clean bow in declored water, > and dump it into the newly cleaned bowl. He might sulk for 5 or 10 > min. but > then he was up wagging around looking for food... I would not do this if > the water quality of the bowl I was changing was not pretty good - you > want > it to be real similar to the new water. That is why you change it so > often. This way the fish gets stressed once a week, and this 100%, the > real > stresser was only every other week. Still it is kind of a pain to do > it, so > I am much happier with the tank. It is 3 gallon, I change a gallon one > week > and 2 gallon the next. He still sulks some... > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would mean not > > > > acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be > pretty > > > > similar. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... > <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com> <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the > > water > > as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them > > either. > > > > http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm > <http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm> > > > > I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 > gallon > > fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles > in it > > quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as > it will > > go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the > > output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing > > nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the > > pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not > he just > > rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. > > Still he is good company while working at the desk. > > > > The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are doing, > > says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you > keep them > > in a jar, or bowl. > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine > shrimp? > > > I > > > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like > > that. > > > > > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high > because > > it > > > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. > It is > > > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > > > > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > > > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even > has a > > > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got > > > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They > have a > > > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video > games. > > > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> <pennafd%40yahoo.com><pennafd% > > 40yahoo.com>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > Hi Dora, > > > > > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > > > certainly > > > > > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and > tell your > > > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > > > > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to > live in > > > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger > tank. He > > > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and > there > > is > > > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger > home! I > > > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > > > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish > > and > > > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" > to be > > > kept > > > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less > than a > > 10 > > > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. > Finally, > > > he > > > > > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than > those dried > > > up > > > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like > and that > > > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled > > water > > > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > > > minerals for fish. > > > > > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > > > <tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24%40yahoo.com > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24% > > 40yahoo.com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a > week > > on > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > know how > > > the > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > bottom > > of > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives > on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > > > fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > 50 ml > > of > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. > Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > water when > > > > > I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > > > change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why > bettas must > > > be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > > You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important > > to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > > SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36009	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Giuseppe, Actually, killing off green water algae is NOT a good thing to do until you have first fixed the cause of the green water algae. If the algae bloom is happening due to high nitrogenous waste compounds in the water, then the algae is helping to consume these nitrogenous wastes. If you kill the algae, then the fish become subjected to high levels of nitrogenous wastes such as ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. There are reasons for algae blooms and the reasons need to be fixed first before trying to get rid of the algae or you will likely cause more problems than you may be fixing. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of giuseppesalvato Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! Katie, in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time if you decide for the portable one. The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of few hours. I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle you are fighting. giuseppe --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@...> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a serious > and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some consider the > same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and Fibromyalgia. This > disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with the > protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show of > hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they will > do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled state I > was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days bed ridden > or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into play > and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people know > really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the right > light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already have > high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really really > really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any buckets > myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just didnt know if > there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36010	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

After I rescued a Betta that was abandoned during Hurricane Katrina, the only thing I had was a large 1.5G clear vase so I moved the Betta and his current ecology from the quart sized vase he was in, into the big vase. Then I slowly added fresh dechlored water a few ounces at a time over the next few days until the new vase was 3/4's full. Then, whenever I did a PWC, twice a week since the vase did not have filtration and only a few stalks of anacharis to help the ecology, I would simply pour a gallon of fresh dechlored water, same room temp of 78F, slowly into the big vase so it ran down the sides of the vase and then eventually the vase would overflow. Then I would use my manual siphon to siphon vacuum the gravel until it was back down to 3/4's full. This kept a constant inflow of clean water that would dilute with his current water so the parameters would stay pretty constant. I eventually moved him into his own 10G tank where he lived out the rest of his life. If I ever was forced to keep a Betta in a quart sized vase or something like that, I would do daily water dilutions but simply placing the vase in a sink, pouring fresh dechlored water into his container until it overflowed, then dip/pour some out to lower the level a little. I don't subscribe to changing out the water 100% and removing the fish, etc., as I think this is more stressful on fish than other available methods. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice I did it several times when in the bowl... The trick was to have the water the same temp. I would put the bucket of new water on the desk beside the bowl the day before. The next day it was the same temp. as the bowl, and I would dump thru a net, out him in the bucket clean bow in declored water, and dump it into the newly cleaned bowl. He might sulk for 5 or 10 min. but then he was up wagging around looking for food... I would not do this if the water quality of the bowl I was changing was not pretty good - you want it to be real similar to the new water. That is why you change it so often. This way the fish gets stressed once a week, and this 100%, the real stresser was only every other week. Still it is kind of a pain to do it, so I am much happier with the tank. It is 3 gallon, I change a gallon one week and 2 gallon the next. He still sulks some... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would mean > not > > acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be > pretty > > similar. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the > water as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of > them either. > > http://bettatalk.com/betta_care.htm > > I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 > gallon fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky > bubbles in it quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down > as slow as it will go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk > plant in front of the output and is slows it down more. He is happier, > but still not blowing nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can > get in, you know the pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as > well, but oft as not he just rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. > Still he is good company while working at the desk. > > The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are > doing, says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if > you keep them in a jar, or bowl. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine shrimp? > > I > > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like > that. > > > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high > > because > it > > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. > > It is essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even > > has a name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently > > never got names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f > > honor. They have a little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video games. > > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... > > <pennafd%40yahoo.com><pennafd% > 40yahoo.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > Hi Dora, > > > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > > certainly > > > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and tell > > your mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to > > live in his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a > > larger tank. He might even be able to live with your fish if he is > > compatible and there > is > > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger > > home! I personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to > > swim in and probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like > > all other fish > and > > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" to > > be kept in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything > > less than a > 10 > > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. > > Finally, he > > > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than those > > dried up worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might > > like and that you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am > > not sure bottled > water > > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > > minerals for fish. > > > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > > <tiggernut24@... > > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24%40yahoo.com > >> > > wrote: > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... > > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com><tiggernut24% > 40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a > > week > on > > vacation. > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know > > how the fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I > > try, I get bronchitis. > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom > of > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on > > top of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates believe that light would have be even more dangerous to > > the house than fresh air. > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 > > ml > of > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. > > Maybe more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time > > all day. I had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to > > bottled water when > > > I > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta > > seems much happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will > > ever seen really happy in a container four times its size. I fed it > > three of its little dried worms. > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a > > jelly-like consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano > > balls from the filters on my tank. > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change once a week. > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel > > or decorations? > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this > > one to still be alive. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36011	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don’t need natural light tank lights do fine. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be the best kind though, any suggestions? On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > occasional treat? > > Deb P > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > times > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > looked > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > that... > at least not the batch that I made. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > heheh > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to it, I > will probably try that one first. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > though. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > foods). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > In the > > > beginning, get > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also check > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at- > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > -> > > > life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > specialists- at > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > from your > > > algae > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > time. > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > where I'll > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made substitutes. > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > Products (L.V. > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > So the > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > the 11th > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > brands > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > eating > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > product > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > will eat > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating algae > > > > on purpose? > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > at high, cool > > > water flow > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be eaten. > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > copious algal growth, > > > should > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > may be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > extending > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > almost > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > anyways. > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > might > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > outs... > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > so I > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > > this site, > > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > > before > > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium safe? > > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > water > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > double check > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > they > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > Recent Activity > > 21 > New Members > > 1 > New LinksVisit Your Group > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > Articles, tools, > forms, and more. > > All-Bran > 10 Day Challenge > Join the club and > feel the benefits. > > Get in Shape > on Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36012	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out that were in the algae tank growing algae. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don’t need > natural light…tank lights do fine. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > the best kind though, any suggestions? > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > occasional treat? > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at- > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > > > this site, > > > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium > safe? > > > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only > > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the > > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go > > > > > > > > double check > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 21 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New LinksVisit Your Group > > > > Biz Resources > > Y! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36013	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction went for (75.57). http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1232417838 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don’t need >> natural light…tank lights do fine. >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts >> >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We >> don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to >> supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be >> the best kind though, any suggestions? >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this >> time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his >> algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure >> I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here >> (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). >> >> Amber >> >> Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: >> >>> If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an >>> occasional treat? >>> >>> Deb P >>> >>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >>> >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com >> >>> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many >>> times >>> before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread >>> looked >>> more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like >>> that... >>> at least not the batch that I made. >>> >>> Lenny Vasbinder >>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >>> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >>> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >>> >> Month) >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >>> com] On >>> Behalf Of Amber Berglund >>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts >>> >>> Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) >>> heheh >>> http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html >>> >>> http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html >>> >>> They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to >>> >> it, I >> >>> will probably try that one first. >>> >>> Amber >>> >>> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >>> >>>> You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL >>>> >>>> Lenny Vasbinder >>>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >>>> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in >>>> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >>>> and also under Archives by Year, Month) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>> [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM >>>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife >>>> >>> %40yahoogroups. com> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts >>>> >>>> I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I >>>> think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them >>>> >>> though. >>> >>>> Amber >>>> >>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>> >>>>> All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could >>>>> these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of >>>>> US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on >>>>> www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, >>>>> but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty >>>>> >>> foods). >>> >>>>> Amber >>>>> >>>>> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will >>>>>> naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. >>>>>> In the >>>>>> >>>>> beginning, get >>>>> >>>>>> some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the >>>>>> algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary >>>>>> >>>> ingredients. >>>> >>>>>> While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also >>>>>> >> check >> >>>>>> the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, read all the way down in the article >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at- >>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>> -> >>>> >>>>> life-i >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>>> -life-i> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>>> -life-i >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>> <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- >>>> >>> specialists- at >>> >>>>> -life-i>> >>>>> >>>>>> n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about >>>>>> feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration >>>>>> from your >>>>>> >>>>> algae >>>>> >>>>>> tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a >>>>>> >>>> time. >>>> >>>>>> That section also mentions things to look for when buying >>>>>> hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying >>>>>> online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do >>>>>> this with my Cherry Shrimp tank >>>>>> >>>>> where I'll >>>>> >>>>>> take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the >>>>>> Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for >>>>>> the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions >>>>>> a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on >>>>>> Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't >>>>>> find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting >>>>>> pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing >>>>>> tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable >>>>>> source of natural algae while also looking at man-made >>>>>> >> substitutes. >> >>>>>> The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had >>>>>> real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared >>>>>> to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start >>>>>> off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. >>>>>> says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat >>>>>> Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, >>>>>> something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery >>>>>> >>> Products (L.V. >>> >>>>>> says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. >>>>>> Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... >>>>>> >>>>> So the >>>>> >>>>>> 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until >>>>>> >>>>> the 11th >>>>> >>>>>> ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari >>>>>> makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's >>>>>> Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did >>>>>> just peek at the Omega One >>>>>> >>>>> brands >>>>> >>>>>> of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and >>>>>> Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may >>>>>> not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they >>>>>> also scavenge and eat dead fish. >>>>>> I haven't read enough about them to know. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind >>>>>> of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's >>>>>> but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - >>>>>> one has Hillstream's >>>>>> >>>>> eating >>>>> >>>>>> melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food >>>>>> >>>>> product >>>>> >>>>>> available over in the UK. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> >>>> >>>>>> http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> >>>> >>>>>> http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 >>>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> >>>> >>>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 >>>>> >>>> <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> >>>> >>>>>> I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL >>>>>> >>>>>> Lenny Vasbinder >>>>>> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >>>>>> >>>> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> >>>> >>>>> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> >>>>> >>>> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> >>>> >>>>> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >>>>>> right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >>>>>> Year, >>>>>> >>>>> Month) >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>> >>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>> >>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>>> [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>> >>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>> >>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber >>>>>> Berglund >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM >>>>>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches >>>>>> >>>>> will eat >>>>> >>>>>> snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found >>>>>> on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating >>>>>> >> algae >> >>>>>> on purpose? >>>>>> LOL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Amber >>>>>> >>>>>> *Common Names*: >>>>>> Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach >>>>>> >>>>>> *Size*: >>>>>> 6 cm >>>>>> >>>>>> *Distribution* : >>>>>> Vietnam >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tank*: >>>>>> Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, >>>>>> these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar >>>>>> to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints >>>>>> at high, cool >>>>>> >>>>> water flow >>>>> >>>>>> with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but >>>>>> stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Temperature* : >>>>>> 60-75 F >>>>>> >>>>>> *pH*: >>>>>> 6-7.5 >>>>>> >>>>>> *Diet*: >>>>>> Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, >>>>>> which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it >>>>>> will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be >>>>>> >> eaten. >> >>>>>> As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from >>>>>> copious algal growth, >>>>>> >>>>> should >>>>> >>>>>> be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation >>>>>> >>>>> may be >>>>> >>>>>> helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sexing*: >>>>>> Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays >>>>>> >>>>> extending >>>>> >>>>>> in the forward direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Breeding*: >>>>>> Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, >>>>>> >>>>> almost >>>>> >>>>>> planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Other info*: >>>>>> Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due >>>>>> to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a >>>>>> cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food >>>>>> supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining >>>>>> and active member of any aquarium community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the >>>>>>> filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I >>>>>>> may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house >>>>>>> temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running >>>>>>> to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely >>>>>>> get a heater for backup >>>>>>> >>>>>> anyways. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Harl Myers wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can >>>>>>>> have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing >>>>>>>> you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another >>>>>>>> bit of texture. If you think it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat >>>>>>>> it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / >>>>>>>> sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, >>>>>>>> as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places >>>>>>>> for the utillities, heater, filter ins and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> outs... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is if you make it for a just fish tank... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund >>>>>>>> <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >>>> >>>>> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store >>>>>>>>> to see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> they have for my project. >>>>>>>>> I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works >>>>>>>>> perfect >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> (tank >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick >>>>>>>>> insulation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> so I >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I >>>>>>>>> haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for >>>>>>>>> plants, but I would >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> like to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled >>>>>>>>> "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands >>>>>>>>> specifically that was used on >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this site, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> >>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> >>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> >>>> >>>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> >>>> >>>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm >>>>> >>>> <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any >>>>>>>>> suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at >>>>>>>>> least fairly clear) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> before >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium >>>>>>>>> >> safe? >> >>>>>>>>> Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it was only >>>>>>>>> used above the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> water >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> line in most projects that I checked. >>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so did the >>>>>>>>> clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going to go >>>>>>>>> double check >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> hopefully >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there before >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> close). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Amber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>>> >>>> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >>>> >>> Thank You. >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Recent Activity >>> >>> 21 >>> New Members >>> >>> 1 >>> New LinksVisit Your Group >>> >>> Biz Resources >>> Y! Small Business >>> Articles, tools, >>> forms, and more. >>> >>> All-Bran >>> 10 Day Challenge >>> Join the club and >>> feel the benefits. >>> >>> Get in Shape >>> on Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36014	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36015	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

They told me my mbuna and syndontis would do the same...not true IME. If you are not careful, all surfaces (background, glass, décor, substrate) will be covered. You can always do an algae tank later if needed. In the meantime, algae wafers and flakes can supplement. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out that were in the algae tank growing algae. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don’t need > natural light tank lights do fine. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > the best kind though, any suggestions? > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > occasional treat? > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > times > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > looked > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > that... > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > heheh > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > it, I > > will probably try that one first. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own homework? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > though. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could use, > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and specialty > > foods). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and running. > > > > > In the > > > > beginning, get > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some of the > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > check > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at- > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > -> > > > > life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or decoration > > > > > from your > > > > algae > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one at a > > > time. > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > where I'll > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's ready for > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also mentions > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a replenishable > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which start > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal (L.V. > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > Products (L.V. > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > So the > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not until > > > > the 11th > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > brands > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what kind > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any Sticky's > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream loach - > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > eating > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type food > > > > product > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > will eat > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've found > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > algae > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community tank, > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium similar > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > at high, cool > > > > water flow > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an opportunist, it > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > eaten. > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > should > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae cultivation > > > > may be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > extending > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally small, > > > > almost > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already had the > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these loaches I > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it running > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will likely > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet another > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you can coat > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware store > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and cranny's. I > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > > > this site, > > > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium > safe? > > > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36016	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

My concern is that these are wild caught and I want to make sure to have algae on hand in case they don't eat the wafers right away, I don't want to end up losing any due to starvation. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > They told me my mbuna and syndontis would do the same...not true IME. If > you are not careful, all surfaces (background, glass, décor, > substrate) will > be covered. > > You can always do an algae tank later if needed. In the meantime, algae > wafers and flakes can supplement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don’t need > > natural light…tank lights do fine. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? We > > don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try to > > supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what would be > > the best kind though, any suggestions? > > On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but this > > time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get his > > algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not sure > > I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast here > > (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > If it has lots of veggies, I wonder if goldfish would like it for an > > > occasional treat? > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Those are basically the same as the Gel-Food recipes I've posted many > > > times > > > before. The stuff in those pictures in that Loaches.com forum thread > > > looked > > > more like a paste that could be spread where gel-foods are not like > > > that... > > > at least not the batch that I made. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > Well you're just so good at it Lenny, LOL. Naw I'll share the links ;) > > > heheh > > > http://www.thekrib. com/Food/ paste.html > > > > > > http://www.thebomb. clara.co. uk/paste. html > > > > > > They are similar but the first site has more veggies and variety to > > it, I > > > will probably try that one first. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > You could share the links. ;-) Or do I have to do my own > homework? LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles > referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > > > > > I've found some good paste food recipe's for home made food that I > > > > think I may try my hand at in the future, for now I bookmarked them > > > though. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All the algae pastes that I found were for marine tanks.... could > > > > > these be used at all or do I need to keep looking for some sort of > > > > > US paste product to feed? LOL I was already on > > > > > www.brineshrimpdire ct.com to see if they had anything I could > use, > > > > > but they all were listed for marine tanks (the pastes, and > specialty > > > foods). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you getting some algae in the other tank? You will > > > > > > naturally get some algae once you get the new tank up and > running. > > > > > > In the > > > > > beginning, get > > > > > > some "real" algae wafers that have real algae in them. Some > of the > > > > > > algae wafers out there have wheat flour, etc., as their primary > > > > ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > > > While PlecoFanatics. com is a usual good source of info, also > > check > > > > > > the forums on Loaches.com for any feeding threads. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, read all the way down in the article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at- > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > -> > > > > > life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > <http://www.loaches. com/articles/ hillstream- loaches-the- > > > specialists- at > > > > > > > > > > -life-i>> > > > > > > n-the-fast-lane and about 3/4's down, they have a section about > > > > > > feeding them. A simple thing is you can move a rock or > decoration > > > > > > from your > > > > > algae > > > > > > tank into the hillstream tank and they'll clean them off one > at a > > > > time. > > > > > > That section also mentions things to look for when buying > > > > > > hillstream's from a dealer but I think you are going to buying > > > > > > online so you will not be able to observe the fish first. I do > > > > > > this with my Cherry Shrimp tank > > > > > where I'll > > > > > > take stuff out of my goldfish tank that has algae on it and the > > > > > > Cherry Shrimp clean it (while eating also) and then it's > ready for > > > > > > the goldfish tank again. That section of the article also > mentions > > > > > > a home-made frozen food mix so I'm sure there's an article on > > > > > > Loaches.com about making this DIY Hillstream food if you can't > > > > > > find quality algae wafers. You should probably start putting > > > > > > pieces of slate or other flat type rocks in your algae producing > > > > > > tank(s) so they can start growing algae on them as a > replenishable > > > > > > source of natural algae while also looking at man-made > > substitutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The last time I peeked, the Omega One brand of algae wafers had > > > > > > real algae's/seaweeds in them as the first ingredients, compared > > > > > > to the algae wafers that I currently have from Hikari which > start > > > > > > off the ingredients with "Fish Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal > (L.V. > > > > > > says - possibly something similar to algae), Wheat Flour, Wheat > > > > > > Germ meal, Starch, Dried Seaweeds Meal (L.V. says - finally, > > > > > > something resembling algae), Fish Oil, Krill meal, Dried Bakery > > > Products (L.V. > > > > > > says - HUH? Stale Donuts??? LOL), Brewers dried yeast (Ahhh.. > > > > > > Beer!), Spirulina (YEAH... ALGAE!!!), etc., etc.,... > > > > > So the > > > > > > 2nd and 6th ingredients might be algae related but it's not > until > > > > > the 11th > > > > > > ingredient that a real algae is finally mentioned... and Hikari > > > > > > makes decent products so you can just imagine what's in Tetra's > > > > > > Algae Wafers... the only "Algae" might be in the name. LOL I did > > > > > > just peek at the Omega One > > > > > brands > > > > > > of their "algae" products and they do start off with Kelp and > > > > > > Spirulina but also have Salmon and Herring in them so these may > > > > > > not be good for your Hillstream's unless your research says they > > > > > > also scavenge and eat dead fish. > > > > > > I haven't read enough about them to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I decided to peek at the Loaches.com forums to see what > kind > > > > > > of feeding threads they might have and there weren't any > Sticky's > > > > > > but I did find these with a search of - feeding hillstream > loach - > > > > > > one has Hillstream's > > > > > eating > > > > > > melon and another with them eating a brine shrimp paste type > food > > > > > product > > > > > > available over in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=922>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=13345>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>> > > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495> > > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495 > > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=14495>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need to quit doing your homework.. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay since a couple people brought up whether or not the loaches > > > > > will eat > > > > > > snails I did some more digging on them and here's what I've > found > > > > > > on plecofanatics. com. Now... how would one start cultivating > > algae > > > > > > on purpose? > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > *Common Names*: > > > > > > Reticulated Hillstream Loach, Gold Ring Hillstream Loach > > > > > > > > > > > > *Size*: > > > > > > 6 cm > > > > > > > > > > > > *Distribution* : > > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > > > *Tank*: > > > > > > Though reasonably prosperous in any nonaggressive community > tank, > > > > > > these fish would obviously be best suited for an aquarium > similar > > > > > > to that of the turbulent hillstreams of upland China. This hints > > > > > > at high, cool > > > > > water flow > > > > > > with a sandy substrate and discarded rock heaps haphazardly (but > > > > > > stably) placed. High lighting allows for algal growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Temperature* : > > > > > > 60-75 F > > > > > > > > > > > > *pH*: > > > > > > 6-7.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > *Diet*: > > > > > > Feeds almost exclusively on awfuchs in its natural environment, > > > > > > which consists largely of barren rock. Thus, as an > opportunist, it > > > > > > will accept most foods, provided they are small enough to be > > eaten. > > > > > > As a limnivore, however, dietary fiber, usually stemming from > > > > > > copious algal growth, > > > > > should > > > > > > be administered regularly. Similarly, artificial algae > cultivation > > > > > may be > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sexing*: > > > > > > Females are somewhat wider, and males bear primary pectoral rays > > > > > extending > > > > > > in the forward direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Breeding*: > > > > > > Readily spawned in the home aquarium; fry are exceptionally > small, > > > > > almost > > > > > > planktonic, and must be cared for delicately. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Other info*: > > > > > > Often purported to be a delicate and unforgiving fish simply due > > > > > > to misinformation on the part of the aquarist. Provided with a > > > > > > cool, (and thusly well oxygenated tank) with sufficient food > > > > > > supply, this fish becomes a highly resilient, very entertaining > > > > > > and active member of any aquarium community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me about the heater part. I already > had the > > > > > > > filter ins/outs figured out, hehe. Although with these > loaches I > > > > > > > may not even need to put a heater in depending on my house > > > > > > > temps, I still have to put water in the tanka nd get it > running > > > > > > > to see how steady the temps stay around 75-77, but I will > likely > > > > > > > get a heater for backup > > > > > > anyways. > > > > > > > The bondo tip was also handy, thanks Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also glue two layers togeather in places so you can > > > > > > > > have it even thicker in places. Also when you coat the thing > > > > > > > > you can add some sand to the last coating, adding yet > another > > > > > > > > bit of texture. If you think it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > get rough treatment by the occupants of the tank, you > can coat > > > > > > > > it with "bondo", a car body filler. Then coat with epoxy / > > > > > > > > sand and it is almost as hard as rocks. Just a few thoughts, > > > > > > > > as I have considered this idea. Also be sure to leave places > > > > > > > > for the utillities, heater, filter ins and > > > > > > > outs... > > > > > > > > That is if you make it for a just fish tank... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so I went down to my local mom and pops hardware > store > > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > they have for my project. > > > > > > > > > I can get the foam insulation in 4'x8' sheets, which works > > > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > (tank > > > > > > > > > is 4 feet long, LOL). I'm going to get the 2 inch thick > > > > > > > > > insulation > > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > > have more to work with for carving out nooks and > cranny's. I > > > > > > > > > haven't decided if I'm going to do a shelf or not for > > > > > > > > > plants, but I would > > > > > > > > like to. > > > > > > > > > I ran into one snag. They didn't have anything labeled > > > > > > > > > "epoxy resin", I'm going to write down the brands > > > > > > > > > specifically that was used on > > > > > > > > this site, > > > > > > > > > http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm> > > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm > > > > <http://www.csd. net/%7Ecgadd/ aqua/46g_ construct. htm>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Then try again, but just in case does anyone else have any > > > > > > > > > suggestions for something I can use to coat it (that's at > > > > > > > > > least fairly clear) > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > I spray paint and after to seal it and make it aquarium > > safe? > > > > > > > > > Also, is cork bark not aquarium safe? I see that it > was only > > > > > > > > > used above the > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > line in most projects that I checked. > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that i just overlooked the epoxy (and so > did the > > > > > > > > > clerk) and that I do have what I need, but I am going > to go > > > > > > > > > double check > > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > > tomorrow after work (if I'm off in time to get there > before > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > close). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > 21 > > > New Members > > > > > > 1 > > > New LinksVisit Your Group > > > > > > Biz Resources > > > Y! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36017	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Pete normally sends some food along that he is feeding them. Ask him what he is feeding and he will tell you. Pam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36018	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

Already on that, thanks though Pam :) Hopefully he already has these guys on algae wafers, that'll save me some trouble for now until I get an algae tank up and going for them so I can swap out stones with algae on them. Amber pam andress wrote: > Pete normally sends some food along that he is feeding them. Ask him what he is feeding and he will tell you. > > Pam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36019	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches and project thoughts

I wish I had the tank ready for them, I think I'm going to have to house them in a big tupperware tub with the eheim and the powerhead going, with the lid on it since these guys like to run away ;) LOL. I asked Pete if he will ship next monday by chance, he's in a hurry to ship them out and I understand if he doesn't want to wait another week to send them. Amber pam andress wrote: > Pete normally sends some food along that he is feeding them. Ask him what he is feeding and he will tell you. > > Pam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36020	From: Lisa	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Expecting swordtail fry...maybe. Please help a first time fish breed

Do pregnant swordtails generally display aggressive behavior towards her tankmates? I'm not entirely positive, but I'm 98% sure my pineapple female is pregnant. She's slightly bloaty, and although there is no distinct gravid spot, there is a small dark shadow near her anal fin. And my male pineapple seems suddenly very interested in her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it usually four weeks for gestation? And how will I know when she will drop, so I can put her in the birthing box? Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36021	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? Are they also safe for plants and snails?   Thanks, Deb --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@...> wrote: Katie, in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time if you decide for the portable one. The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of few hours. I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle you are fighting. giuseppe --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to the > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course become > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all aspects > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will last, > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I had > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months ago > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant stand > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere where > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they can > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other diseases > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of one > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says it > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says Nothing > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always kepts > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done anything > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I have > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is there > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not recommend > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont know > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would be > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there is > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around water > changes. Thanks all! > Blessings > DR. Katie Ann Craft > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36022	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Hello and question about my fish

Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan.  I'm also new here, and need help!! I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May.  I have been enjoying her for a long time.  Yesterday, I noticed that one of her gills isn't moving.  She has been breathing with her right gill, but not both.  She is moving around like nothing has happened.  Does anyone know why or what have caused this issue to happen?  I would NOT want to lose my Angelfish.  She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a personality!!  Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good.  Any suggestions?? Thanks in advance!!! Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36023	From: Larry Nave	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Sorry to hear .... hope for all the best

I think you have gotten a lot of wonderful responses on how to cope with your fish keeping. I agree with some one that said to get some help from outside like high school students to drop in. If you go to Drs Foster and Smith you can order a Python with all the attachments to hook to the facet...but you will need some help to get the hang of it...but it does wonders keeping your tanks clean and with water changes....I have a coworker that has this problem and have to help her when her condition flares....after a while we all learn to adjust to help. You will be in my prayers... Larry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36024	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Speaking of how to get things out of air stones, I've got some airstone in plastic things I use in the bathroom to get the ph down by bubbling air through the water. It's gotten algaed. any particular way to get the algae out? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Hydrogen Peroxide can be used to clean things for fish tanks but I would avoid Alcohol. Even though it mostly evaporates away, I'm just not sure if the air stone might not soak up some of it and then leach it back into the water. Other "natural" things that can be used are Vinegar, Ammonia (plain, non-sudsy, no surfactants/soaps), Brine solution (very strong salt water solution), etc. All of these rinse away easy enough and if any remnants are missed, they will not harm the fish in such small quantities. I'm not sure the fuzz or mold is all that harmful though, although taking a swab and checking it out under a microscope. I know I've read many threads where someone will put a piece of driftwood in a tank and it will grow a white fuzzy mold on it but after a period of time, as the rest of the tanks ecology catches up, the mold dies off. Remember that an aquarium is a mini-ecosystem and it will eventually have all of the same molds, fungi, bacteria, microbiological life forms, etc., as your local pond. Doing regular and frequent PWC's, tank and filter maintenance will keep it from becoming a sludge pond. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, > fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain > ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, > then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot > which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36025	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Article

Looks like an overgrown Vortella. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Interesting Article Cool! http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090118/sc_afp/scienceoceansanimalswarmingaustralia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36026	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Python question

According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. Laurie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36027	From: Jerry	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

I would be concerned about the water temperature difference between the new water and the current tank temperature. Years ago built a siphon overflow and a automatic float operated refill. I would let it run and replace a couple gallons a day in a 55 gal. My heater could not keep up. At the time I had well water so I wasn't worried about chlorine. Jerry Laurie Murphy wrote: > > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > Laurie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM > ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36028	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers also include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can pick it up at the FedEx main office. That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction went for (75.57). http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1232417838 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need >> natural light.tank lights do fine. >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts >> >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). >> >> Amber >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36029	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Hydrogen Peroxide. You may want to soak it or squirt some HP down the airline tube connected to the airstone so it works from the inside out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Speaking of how to get things out of air stones, I've got some airstone in plastic things I use in the bathroom to get the ph down by bubbling air through the water. It's gotten algaed. any particular way to get the algae out? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Hydrogen Peroxide can be used to clean things for fish tanks but I would avoid Alcohol. Even though it mostly evaporates away, I'm just not sure if the air stone might not soak up some of it and then leach it back into the water. Other "natural" things that can be used are Vinegar, Ammonia (plain, non-sudsy, no surfactants/soaps), Brine solution (very strong salt water solution), etc. All of these rinse away easy enough and if any remnants are missed, they will not harm the fish in such small quantities. I'm not sure the fuzz or mold is all that harmful though, although taking a swab and checking it out under a microscope. I know I've read many threads where someone will put a piece of driftwood in a tank and it will grow a white fuzzy mold on it but after a period of time, as the rest of the tanks ecology catches up, the mold dies off. Remember that an aquarium is a mini-ecosystem and it will eventually have all of the same molds, fungi, bacteria, microbiological life forms, etc., as your local pond. Doing regular and frequent PWC's, tank and filter maintenance will keep it from becoming a sludge pond. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, > fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain > ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, > then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot > which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36030	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has limitations or excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, etc., and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. Even in the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges $10.00 for the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 gallons... so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long of a shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My bill is never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their bill might be $12 or $14. Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of Massachusetts and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the left-coast, things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the other areas. And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are they still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source going dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not planning things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather than actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay another wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity to study the studies. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. Laurie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36031	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Cycling Questions

Thanks for this, Lenny. I am going to stick with my original plan, then, and use the filter that is currently in my goldfish aquarium, keeping the bacteria alive by moving it to the 55 gallon wth the goldfish while I clean the 29 gallon. Then I'll let the biowheel float in the 55 tank while I clean the rst of the filter good.   When I restart the 29 gallon for the new fish, which I'll slowly add into the tank, I'll put the old 29 gallon filter in, plus some gravel from the goldfish tank to seed the aquarium. It will be a planted aquarium so I'll pop in the plants and add a little ammonia to make sure the bacteria are doing their job. If they are, in go the fish!   By the way, you have relieved a little secret guilt of mine that I, too, have kept some fish with goldfish in the past. In my case it was for more than just a quick quarantine. They have done just fine! Actually they seemed to be great "friends" and nobody got sick. The water stayed within parameters. I was told by some other fish folks that goldfish had some sort of poison that was unique to them in their slime and was toxic to other fish so I just sat in silence with my dirty little secret until now and I stopped mixing goldfish with other fish.   Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page, near the top of the page, you'll see info and more links to detailed step-by-step articles on "Fishless Cycling". The nitrifying bacteria need ammonia to grow.. it doesn't matter if it's plain ammonia from a bottle, fish urine.. or even human urine. ;-) The bottle ammonia does have to be "plain" ammonia, usually a 10% ammonium hydroxide solution with no soaps, scents, surfactants, etc. Usually, mom/pop hardware stores, Ace Hardware, etc., type stores are the best places to find this type of ammonia since many grocery stores like to sell the lemon-scented type products and/or sudsy ammonia (meaning soaps/surfactants in it). Taking dirty water from an existing tank will do little to establish the nitrogen cycle since the nitrifying bacteria grow on the surfaces of things in the tank.. mostly in the filter media since that is where the majority of the "food" (ammonia/nitrites) pass through on a continual basis. Goldfish are not poison to other fish. This misconception comes from people sticking goldfish in undersized tanks and then, since they are BIG fish, they put out a lot more ammonia and then it's this elevated ammonia level that kills off other fish. Goldfish can survive these horrendous conditions longer but will also succumb to ammonia poisoning if exposed to it for too long. There should not be any "goldfish slime" in the water of a sufficiently sized and properly maintained tank... and if the tank isn't properly maintained, it will not matter whether there are a 100 guppies or a single goldfish... the water will be fouled and become toxic. The primary reason that goldfish should be kept in a separate larger tank than tropical fish is that goldfish prefer and need cooler water temperatures (60's and low 70's) that have higher O2 levels where tropical fish prefer... well, tropical water temperatures (high 70's and low 80's). I have goldfish and tropical's and occasionally have to temporarily house rescued "tropical's" in my goldfish tank with no problems (after quarantine, of course).. in fact, some fish sold as tropical fish actually prefer goldfish type water parameters and temps, like Zebra Danios, Buenos Aires Tetras and even Guppies... and many more. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:06 PM To: Aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling Questions Hi Fish Friends,   Okay, you are people, but you are interested in fish. : )  I have a question about ammonia. I keep seeing these messages about fishless cycling using plain ammonia. I am wondering about how this is done and just what you mean by that. Do you go to your local grocery/drug store and buy a bottle of ammonia and just start dumping it in? Well, dumping it in in measured amounts? I keep thinking it will poison the fish!!! Also, I was given to understand that type of ammonia is not the same type of ammonia as urine ammonia?   One thing I have done in the past is taken dirty water from one aquarium and put it into the cycling aquarium each day. This was long in the past before they had all of these fancy chemicals that I have just been learning about, like Dr. Tim's.   My last question is just this, when I FINALLY get to rebuild my 29g after moving my goldfish, I was thinking about putting the HOB filter for the 29g on the back of the goldfish tank to get it (keep it) cycled for the new aquarium. I have had some people tell me, "oh no! Goldfish are just poison for other fish! Don't cross anything over!" But I am really wondering whether enough of the goldfish slime will get into the 29g tank from just the HOB filter if I do that? The filter I am thinking about is a penguin biowheel so I can change the bag an just keep the wheel. I might consider using some of the gravel, too, but I really am just focusing on the filter right now to speed up the cycling. Oh, the 29g will hold rainbow fish, dwarf gourami, maybe tetra or danio or swordfish, if that matters. Opinions?   Thanks, Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36032	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

Pete is really good at shipping and he normally does priorty. She has already talked to him about the fed ex thing and she is comfortable with him shipping usps. At this time of the year, he normally adds at least 3 heat packs to his box, so I wouldn't worry too much. Plus he guarentees his fish. If they show up DOA, he WILL replace them free. I know Pete and refered her to him. I just sent a box to him with only 1-72 hr heat pack. Lovely usps took 5 days to get it to him. He said I packed very well as there where only a few DOAs. That was my first FISH shipment, so now I know if I send more fish at this time of the year, I'm going to add more heat packs. I might only do over night too. Depends on the weather and where they are going. Pam PS Amber: I got my bags in. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: GoldLenny@...: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:44:02 -0600Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers alsoinclude Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. Americancontinent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully itdoes include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an emailletting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you canpick it up at the FedEx main office.That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as longas it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping.Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the rightside, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)-----Original Message-----From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Amber BerglundSent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PMTo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughtsYay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auctionwent for (75.57).http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1232417838AmberAmber Berglund wrote:> I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > that were in the algae tank growing algae.>> Amber>> Donna Ransome wrote:> >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need >> natural light.tank lights do fine.>>>> _____>>>> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>>> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM>> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts>>>> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions?>> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest).>>>> Amber>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36033	From: pam andress	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

A python is wonderful. The wasted amount of water will depend on where your faucet is compared to the tank. If you need a 50' python, then you will waste more water then a 25'. You also can cut down on the waste by turning off the water just before you are done filling and use the water in the tube in the tank instead of letting it go down the drain. As for temp, you adjust the temp at the sink before turning it to fill the tank. I waste very little water when doing my tanks as I have to pay for it. ;) If your worried about the chemicals in the water, just add whatever you are using for that purpose to the tank as you are filling it. Pam According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html thepython uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar withthem, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How muchwater is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time.Laurie[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36034	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

Well most people don't, but he does. I made sure to ask if I get free shipping to, and I do. I asked if he would send it fed ex but he will not guarantee the fish if he does, so if they arrive dead I don't get replacements, he will only garauntee them if he can use USPS, so I will give it a shot, can't complain with free shipping anyways ;). I made sure to ask all of these important questions before even bidding on the fish, LOL. I'm way ahead of you there Lenny ;) I think it's overnight shipping but now that I re-read all the emails he never quite specified, but he claimed he had more experience with USPS than any other shipper and doesn't have problems getting his fish to people alive, and he has experience already shipping to Alaska (up north even where it should take longer to get to than it does to me). He will re-ship or refund if there are DOA's though. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do > sellers also > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can > pick it up at the FedEx main office. > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction > went for (75.57). > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1232417838 > <http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1232417838> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > Amber > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > >> > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > >> > >> Amber > >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36035	From: William	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

Your angelfish should be in a much larger tank than a ten gallon tank. It should be in at least a twenty gallon high or larger size.What are you water conditions, pH, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. How often do you change water and how much each time? Do yo give your fish a variety of good foods. What other fish are in the tank with the angelfish? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave H." <mrdavesmagic2003@...> wrote: > > Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan.  I'm also new here, and need help!! > I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May.  I have been > enjoying her for a long time.  Yesterday, I noticed that one of her > gills isn't moving.  She has been breathing with her right gill, but > not both.  She is moving around like nothing has happened.  Does anyone > know why or what have caused this issue to happen?  I would NOT want to > lose my Angelfish.  She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a > personality!!  Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a > heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good.  Any suggestions?? > Thanks in advance!!! Dave > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36036	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

> > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > Laurie The only time you waste water is when you are running the venturi pump to drain the tank. They state 7 to 1 for that device so that mean for every 7 gallons you use a gallon of water pumping. A ten gallon doing a 20% weekly change would use 1/7 of 2 gallons which works out to .28 gallon. I find that optimistic, but my pump is quite old so maybe the new ones are better. If you can establish a siphon by letting the Python drain to somewhere lower that the tank, your wasted water, that is water not being used in the tank will be 0. Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36037	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

I had had a bit of white fuzz starting to grow on some drift wood right after I put it in my frog tank this past summer. I yanked it out because I did not know what it was. I have not put it back in any tanks. I have never had white fuzz grow on anything like that before and so I have been following all of these threads with real interest.   After Lenny's last post I was thinking, "Silly me, I should just clean the thing with a little peroxide and toss it in an aquarium." Now that I have read your post, Ray, I am have second thoughts entirely!   I have been REALLY lucky regarding fish diseases; never had em. Did have some worms once, that was it. (I think that was what may have killed my frog.) I don't want to start getting problems. So I am now wondering whether this stuff on the driftwood will just go away if I put it back in an aquarium or I should toss the driftwood outside to decorate my garden this spring?   Thanks, as always. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in absorbing other materials into them. One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous environment. Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such connections. I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded them, but then, why take this chance. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, David Keymel <azzuron@... > wrote: > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > stone.... > Recent Activity  20 New Members  1 New LinksVisit Your Group Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. Get in Shape on Yahoo! Groups Find a buddy and lose weight. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36038	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

As previously stated, there's no such thing as wasted water... maybe wasted money... but not the water.. it's 100% recyclable, doesn't fill landfills, doesn't pollute anything, etc., etc., etc. Now if only Python would come up with something to hook up to Washington, D.C. and most State's Capitals and Cityhalls, so we can siphon all of them truly wasteful things down a drain. ;-) "I have a dream!!!" Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dana Rasmussen Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:45 PM To: Aquaria 2 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar > with them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a > 50. How much water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > Laurie The only time you waste water is when you are running the venturi pump to drain the tank. They state 7 to 1 for that device so that mean for every 7 gallons you use a gallon of water pumping. A ten gallon doing a 20% weekly change would use 1/7 of 2 gallons which works out to .28 gallon. I find that optimistic, but my pump is quite old so maybe the new ones are better. If you can establish a siphon by letting the Python drain to somewhere lower that the tank, your wasted water, that is water not being used in the tank will be 0. Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

See my previous thread, a week or so, about Driftwood... in short, run it through your dishwasher with no soap or rinsing agent, on the HOT cycle and HOT dry and that will pretty much clean it and sterilize it. If you also want to clean it with HP after doing this, it won't hurt but it's probably not necessary. If it's a smaller piece, you can boil it in a large pot. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold I had had a bit of white fuzz starting to grow on some drift wood right after I put it in my frog tank this past summer. I yanked it out because I did not know what it was. I have not put it back in any tanks. I have never had white fuzz grow on anything like that before and so I have been following all of these threads with real interest.   After Lenny's last post I was thinking, "Silly me, I should just clean the thing with a little peroxide and toss it in an aquarium." Now that I have read your post, Ray, I am have second thoughts entirely!   I have been REALLY lucky regarding fish diseases; never had em. Did have some worms once, that was it. (I think that was what may have killed my frog.) I don't want to start getting problems. So I am now wondering whether this stuff on the driftwood will just go away if I put it back in an aquarium or I should toss the driftwood outside to decorate my garden this spring?   Thanks, as always. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in absorbing other materials into them. One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous environment. Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such connections. I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded them, but then, why take this chance. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, David Keymel <azzuron@... > wrote: > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > stone.... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36040	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us are designing for them. : ) Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an upgrade. Or the > betta will be dead in a week. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump the fake > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when your > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad you > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them in a > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate first. > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside the > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is probably a > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of their > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head area. > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God gave them > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than wonderful > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often low in > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like that in > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow filtration > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their Bettas in > their tropical community tanks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on > > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36041	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Why don't you just use that tank for the algae tank since it's already started growing in there? Just a thought. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Yeah my betta is sensitive at cleaning times too, even in the 10 gallon tank he's in (it's a castle compared to what he used to be in at the LFS). it does have a filter in it (one of the 10 gallon kits from walmart with a HOB filter), and it's a little faster flowing than I would wish it to be, but I put plastic/silk plants in front of it and it seems to slow the water down enough to make him happy most of the time. I need to trim the hair algae though, it's trying to invade the tank I swear ;). As soon as I get my algae tank up and going I'm going to trim some of that hair algae and add it to the algae tank to help get it started, as well as some left over tank water from cleanings. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > I did it several times when in the bowl... The trick was to have the water > the same temp. I would put the bucket of new water on the desk beside the > bowl the day before. The next day it was the same temp. as the bowl, and I > would dump thru a net, out him in the bucket clean bow in declored water, > and dump it into the newly cleaned bowl. He might sulk for 5 or 10 > min. but > then he was up wagging around looking for food... I would not do this if > the water quality of the bowl I was changing was not pretty good - you > want > it to be real similar to the new water. That is why you change it so > often. This way the fish gets stressed once a week, and this 100%, the > real > stresser was only every other week. Still it is kind of a pain to do > it, so > I am much happier with the tank. It is 3 gallon, I change a gallon one > week > and 2 gallon the next. He still sulks some... > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > > Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would mean not > > > > acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be > pretty > > > > similar. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@gmail. com > <mailto:uneekfish% 40gmail.com> <uneekfish%40gmail. com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the > > water > > as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them > > either. > > > > http://bettatalk. com/betta_ care.htm > <http://bettatalk. com/betta_ care.htm> > > > > I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 > gallon > > fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles > in it > > quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as > it will > > go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the > > output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing > > nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the > > pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not > he just > > rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. > > Still he is good company while working at the desk. > > > > The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are doing, > > says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you > keep them > > in a jar, or bowl. > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com><tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com>> > > wrote: > > > > > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine > shrimp? > > > I > > > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like > > that. > > > > > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high > because > > it > > > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. > It is > > > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > > > > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > > > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even > has a > > > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently never got > > > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They > have a > > > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video > games. > > > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com > <mailto:pennafd% 40yahoo.com> <pennafd%40yahoo. com><pennafd% > > 40yahoo.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > > 40yahoogroups. com>> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > Hi Dora, > > > > > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > > > certainly > > > > > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and > tell your > > > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > > > > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to > live in > > > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger > tank. He > > > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and > there > > is > > > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger > home! I > > > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > > > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all other fish > > and > > > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" > to be > > > kept > > > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less > than a > > 10 > > > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. > Finally, > > > he > > > > > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than > those dried > > > up > > > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like > and that > > > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled > > water > > > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > > > minerals for fish. > > > > > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > > > <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24% > > 40yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > > 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a > week > > on > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > know how > > > the > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > bottom > > of > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives > on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than > > > fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > 50 ml > > of > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. > Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > water when > > > > > I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water > > > change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why > bettas must > > > be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36042	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Well I just got informed tonight that the loaches that I'm buying don't currently seem to eat algae (either they haven't started or it wasn't around where they've been living in the wild). so I may not even have to make an algae tank unless I get more of the other kinds of hillstream loaches to go with these guys. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Why don't you just use that tank for the algae tank since it's already > started growing in there? > > Just a thought. > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Yeah my betta is sensitive at cleaning times too, even in the 10 gallon > > tank he's in (it's a castle compared to what he used to be in at the > > LFS). it does have a filter in it (one of the 10 gallon kits from > > walmart with a HOB filter), and it's a little faster flowing than I > > would wish it to be, but I put plastic/silk plants in front of it and it > > seems to slow the water down enough to make him happy most of the time. > > I need to trim the hair algae though, it's trying to invade the tank I > > swear ;). As soon as I get my algae tank up and going I'm going to trim > > some of that hair algae and add it to the algae tank to help get it > > started, as well as some left over tank water from cleanings. > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > I did it several times when in the bowl... The trick was to have the > water > > > the same temp. I would put the bucket of new water on the desk > beside the > > > bowl the day before. The next day it was the same temp. as the bowl, > and I > > > would dump thru a net, out him in the bucket clean bow in declored > water, > > > and dump it into the newly cleaned bowl. He might sulk for 5 or 10 > > > min. but > > > then he was up wagging around looking for food... I would not do this if > > > the water quality of the bowl I was changing was not pretty good - you > > > want > > > it to be real similar to the new water. That is why you change it so > > > often. This way the fish gets stressed once a week, and this 100%, the > > > real > > > stresser was only every other week. Still it is kind of a pain to do > > > it, so > > > I am much happier with the tank. It is 3 gallon, I change a gallon one > > > week > > > and 2 gallon the next. He still sulks some... > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Harl, is it safe to change 100% of the fish's water? That would > mean not > > > > > > > > acclimating it to the new water. True by now the new water should be > > > pretty > > > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@gmail. com > > > <mailto:uneekfish% 40gmail.com> <uneekfish%40gmail. com>> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> <AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups. com>> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > Here is a site with a lot of good info on bettas. I do not treat the > > > > water > > > > as she suggests, but then I do not have a couple of thousand of them > > > > either. > > > > > > > > http://bettatalk. com/betta_ care.htm > > > <http://bettatalk. com/betta_ care.htm> > > > > > > > > I got mine a 3 gallon tank, and he seemed happier in the smaller 2.5 > > > gallon > > > > fishbowl that I had him in. He blew nests or at least sticky bubbles > > > in it > > > > quite a bit. The tank has a filter and I turned it down as slow as > > > it will > > > > go, but I do not think he likes it. I put a silk plant in front of the > > > > output and is slows it down more. He is happier, but still not blowing > > > > nests. I also added a decoration pot that he can get in, you know the > > > > pottery with holes in it. He uses that some as well, but oft as not > > > he just > > > > rests on the gravel in the corner or edge when it is night night time. > > > > Still he is good company while working at the desk. > > > > > > > > The guy at the local fish store, the one that knows what they are > doing, > > > > says to change 50% of the water one week and 100% the next if you > > > keep them > > > > in a jar, or bowl. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com><tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > What kind of water should I use, and would the betta like brine > > > shrimp? > > > > > I > > > > > do want to be very careful about food with the water conditions like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to use tap water with the ammonia levels that high > > > because > > > > it > > > > > is alkaline. Bottled water is atleast of neutral ph - I tested it. > > > It is > > > > > essentially bottled tap water from Houston. I looked on the label. > > > > > > > > > > My other fish are danios and tetras - would they get along? But the > > > > > housemates will be back tomorrow. Yes, they would miss it. It even > > > has a > > > > > name. The tarantula and the other thing they tried recently > never got > > > > > names. And it lives on the TV set, which is a placeo f honor. They > > > have a > > > > > little nest in front of the TV set, where they sit and play video > > > games. > > > > > The housemates. Not the fish. Nor my birds. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com > > > <mailto:pennafd% 40yahoo.com> <pennafd%40yahoo. com><pennafd% > > > > 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:15 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dora, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a NICE housemate for helping the fish like this! You > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > > > > have saved that betta's life. I think you should adopt him and > > > tell your > > > > > mates they can't even look at him anymore. > > > > > > > > > > First, you are absolutely correct that the betta does NOT want to > > > live in > > > > > his own poop. Second, he would be so much happier in a a larger > > > tank. He > > > > > might even be able to live with your fish if he is compatible and > > > there > > > > is > > > > > space in their aquarium. But he should definitely have a larger > > > home! I > > > > > personally think they should have at least a 5 gallon to swim in and > > > > > probably even a 10 gallon. They need to swim, just like all > other fish > > > > and > > > > > it is terrible that fish stores keep selling them as "decoration" > > > to be > > > > > kept > > > > > in those tiny cups. I have never kept my bettas in anything less > > > than a > > > > 10 > > > > > gallon except when I needed to quarantine them for some reason. > > > Finally, > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > would be very happy if you offered him something fresher than > > > those dried > > > > > up > > > > > worms. Do you have frozen worms for your fish that he might like > > > and that > > > > > you don't mind sharing? Oops, another finally, I am not sure bottled > > > > water > > > > > is the best thing to use for the betta. It may not have the proper > > > > > minerals for fish. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you from all of the fish in the world! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dora Smith > > > > > <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24% > > > > 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com><AquaticLife % > > > > 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a > > > week > > > > on > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > > know how > > > > > the > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > > > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > guess. > > > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > > bottom > > > > of > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > > > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives > > > on top > > > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > housemates > > > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the > house than > > > > > fresh > > > > > air. > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > > 50 ml > > > > of > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. > > > Maybe > > > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > > day. I > > > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > > water when > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > Water > > > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > > > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > > really > > > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > little > > > > > dried worms. > > > > > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > > ages > > > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > > > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > water > > > > > change > > > > > once a week. > > > > > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why > > > bettas must > > > > > be > > > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > > > > decorations? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > > this one > > > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36043	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

Lenny, Kalifornia, with a K. We have water problems in Northern Kaliforia. The problem is they ship most of it to Southern Kalifornia. In our once freshwater Delta we can now catch sharks and other saltwater creatures. We had some levee problems here a couple years ago and the Governator flew around in a helicopter to reassure us. He was here to make sure the pumps got turned back on to send the water down South again :( Not nearly as exciting as your Delta, but we did have some jackass dump a couple alligators or crocodiles in the waterways a couple years ago. We also get a "Wayward Whale" once in a while. -Mike California and the rest of the left-coast, things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the other areas. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 9:36 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has limitations or excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, etc., and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. Even in the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges $10.00 for the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 gallons... so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long of a shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My bill is never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their bill might be $12 or $14. Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of Massachusetts and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the left-coast, things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the other areas. And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are the y still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source going dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not planning things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather than actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay another wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity to study the studies. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. Laurie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36044	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

Mike, And as he flew away, you could almost hear him say "I'll be back!" .. or could it have been that other well-known catch phrase of "The Terminator" which I cannot repeat here, but the acronym would be FYA! Of course, that one was just directed at you... standing on your roof and waving your arms. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question Lenny, Kalifornia, with a K. We have water problems in Northern Kaliforia. The problem is they ship most of it to Southern Kalifornia. In our once freshwater Delta we can now catch sharks and other saltwater creatures. We had some levee problems here a couple years ago and the Governator flew around in a helicopter to reassure us. He was here to make sure the pumps got turned back on to send the water down South again :( Not nearly as exciting as your Delta, but we did have some jackass dump a couple alligators or crocodiles in the waterways a couple years ago. We also get a "Wayward Whale" once in a while. -Mike California and the rest of the left-coast, things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the other areas. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 9:36 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has limitations or excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, etc., and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. Even in the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges $10.00 for the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 gallons... so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long of a shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My bill is never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their bill might be $12 or $14. Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of Massachusetts and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the left-coast, things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the other areas. And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are the y still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source going dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not planning things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather than actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay another wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity to study the studies. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. Laurie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36045	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36046	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Tried H2O2 - and baking soda, together. But didn't think to try some in the air hose. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Hydrogen Peroxide. You may want to soak it or squirt some HP down the airline tube connected to the airstone so it works from the inside out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Speaking of how to get things out of air stones, I've got some airstone in plastic things I use in the bathroom to get the ph down by bubbling air through the water. It's gotten algaed. any particular way to get the algae out? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold Hydrogen Peroxide can be used to clean things for fish tanks but I would avoid Alcohol. Even though it mostly evaporates away, I'm just not sure if the air stone might not soak up some of it and then leach it back into the water. Other "natural" things that can be used are Vinegar, Ammonia (plain, non-sudsy, no surfactants/soaps), Brine solution (very strong salt water solution), etc. All of these rinse away easy enough and if any remnants are missed, they will not harm the fish in such small quantities. I'm not sure the fuzz or mold is all that harmful though, although taking a swab and checking it out under a microscope. I know I've read many threads where someone will put a piece of driftwood in a tank and it will grow a white fuzzy mold on it but after a period of time, as the rest of the tanks ecology catches up, the mold dies off. Remember that an aquarium is a mini-ecosystem and it will eventually have all of the same molds, fungi, bacteria, microbiological life forms, etc., as your local pond. Doing regular and frequent PWC's, tank and filter maintenance will keep it from becoming a sludge pond. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trish Souza Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold as someone else said, you don't really need it in there right now. hmmmmmmm i wonder if you could take it out and pour something like peroxide or alcohol over it to kill the germs and let it dry then return it to the tank a day or so before you add fish?? what does lenny think? lol --- On Mon, 1/19/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:52 AM It is a new air stone brand new out of the package. Plain ammonia is being used, my Ammonia has been at about 4 ppm for the last 3 weeks. I started this process off with a clean tank, new filter, used gravel rinsed under tap water, and a sponge from my 40 gallon tank and a decoration from my 40. the tank has been processing 4 ppm ammonia in 8 hours since about the 3rd day in the process. its been about 2 weeks now. today i tested the nitrite, and they were at about .25. i would say the tanks about cycled. Its the same fuzz i had in my tank gravel about a year ago. --Dave On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > How are you fishless cycling the tank? Plain ammonia, shrimp pieces, > fish > food, urine ???? > > What are your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > temperature > and any others you may have? > > Slime or mold is not normal during a fishless cycle using the plain > ammonia > method (or urine) but if using a piece of shrimp or adding fish food, > then > yes, those organic items will grow mold on them as they start to rot > which > creates the ammonia to start off the nitrogen cycle process. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Air stone fuzz/mold > > Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > once > before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper towel. its > coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air stone.... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36047	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

OK... there's absolutely nothing wrong with being selfish... and it's actually better than being green in most cases since being green is often much more costly. In your case, you should just use a regular siphon vacuum but connect it to a long hose so that the water can go out a window or door and then to a garden or other source that needs fertilizer rich water. I notice trinityfarms in your email address so I'm sure there must be something on the farm that can use this good plant growing water. If this assumed garden needs even more water than your tank provides with a 25% PWC, then you could run a long Python hose to an outside spigot and then run a hose from the Python discharge to your garden and then even the water being "wasted" to increase the siphon effect with the venturi, would go to good "recycled" use. ;-) There are also DIY ways to create a powered siphon using an inexpensive powerhead so you can still siphon vacuum more quickly without using water as the power source (as in the Python's venturi valve). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36048	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some suspect claims. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? Are they also safe for > plants and snails? > > Thanks, > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Katie, > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > if you decide for the portable one. > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > few hours. > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > you are fighting. > > giuseppe > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36049	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

Lenny, I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. 128. My parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never paid a water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay for water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a total rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was not allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water supply. While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should not be wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon how it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, but if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues. > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has limitations or > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, etc., > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. Even in > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges $10.00 for > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 gallons... > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long of a > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My bill is > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their bill > might be $12 or $14. > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of Massachusetts > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the left-coast, > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians wasting > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very much > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning of > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all of the > other areas. > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are they > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source going > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not planning > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather than > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay another > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity to > study the studies. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html the > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar with > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. How much > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > Laurie > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36050	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Unless you seal a solid top, more than enough air will get in to ensure proper gaseous exchange. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:56 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does need to get some air > if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a > screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us are designing for > them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36051	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

I don't think they hurt anything, but I also don't think they are necessary, at least not for freshwater. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some suspect claims. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? Are they also safe for > plants and snails? > > Thanks, > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@ <mailto:giuseppesalvato%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Katie, > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > if you decide for the portable one. > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > few hours. > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > you are fighting. > > giuseppe > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36052	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Actually I had a talk with the housemate, and she insists on keeping the fish in the current container because it's very secure. It does ahve a small hole and tube in the center, but that doesn't look like much air to me. She said she has a bigger container but she likes the little cup better. Adn she insists on only changing water once a week. These people don't even understand the germ theory of disease, and there's no scientific issue they don't have upside down and backwards, and there's no talking to them. They know everything and I know nothing. They must have had quite a childhood. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us are designing for them. : ) Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an upgrade. Or the > betta will be dead in a week. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump the fake > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when your > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad you > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them in a > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate first. > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside the > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is probably a > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of their > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head area. > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God gave them > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than wonderful > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often low in > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like that in > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow filtration > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their Bettas in > their tropical community tanks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for a week on > > vacation. > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to know how the > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, I get > bronchitis. > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I guess. > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh bottom of > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its worms. > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. Lives on top > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my housemates > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house than fresh > air. > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about 50 ml of > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 ppm. Maybe > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all day. I > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled water when I > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. Water > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems much > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen really > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its little > dried worms. > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the ages > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from the > filters on my tank. > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% water change > once a week. > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas must be > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or decorations? > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for this one > to still be alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36053	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

Raymond, speaking of missing e-mails, I sent you one privately a short time ago, with some photos, I just want to make sure you know to look out for it. In my experience it could hide out in a distant corner of your mailbox. I was specifically hoping you could shed whatever light your expertise on aquarium molds can shed on it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. Is > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged all > the time in water. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > environment. > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > > connections. > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > >> stone.... > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36054	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

I believe I saw a post from Raymond on the betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Keymel" <azzuron@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold Yahoo has regular issues with mail delivery. I think i saw your post to Dora also so you should be in the clear. I know my gmail account filters out my messages i send that come back from yahoo as duplicates. auto deletes them for me. Perhaps your mail software is doing something similar? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: >> >> Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. > Is >> there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a >> decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > all >> the time in water. >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel >> <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >> > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > quite >> > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, >> > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > and >> > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > to be >> > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > attracted >> > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > their >> > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > as an >> > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > rising >> > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > have >> > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > contact >> > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > unheard of >> > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time > in >> > absorbing other materials into them. >> > >> > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the >> > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated > by >> > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > solid >> > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > manufacture >> > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous >> > environment. >> > >> > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > or >> > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this >> > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you > want >> > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy >> > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > resist >> > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > maybe >> > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > would >> > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure >> > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it > as it >> > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up > of >> > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. >> > >> > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > on >> > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > aquarium >> > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water >> > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold >> > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > While I >> > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I >> > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > that >> > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the >> > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as >> > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > opportunity >> > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > too >> > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > you're >> > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > need to >> > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > below. >> > >> > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > seemingly >> > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > to >> > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > Just as >> > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > not >> > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to >> > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > molded >> > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > live >> > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > issues are >> > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see >> > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such >> > connections. >> > >> > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul >> > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite >> > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > aquatic >> > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > separated >> > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, >> > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > being >> > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > Hyphae) >> > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like >> > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > food >> > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > declina is >> > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia >> > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. >> > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or >> > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > upon >> > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > best >> > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > remain >> > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > its >> > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > wounds >> > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > invaded >> > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > last few >> >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did > so >> >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper >> >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air >> >> stone.... >> >> >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36055	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Air stone fuzz/mold

I currently have in my mailbox one post from Raymond on my betta question, and two on the air stone fuzz/ mold. Someone suggested stuffing my housemates in a betta cup, but I think that was Lenny, LOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. Is > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged all > the time in water. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is quite > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) and > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains to be > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets attracted > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from their > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle as an > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger rising > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to have > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in contact > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not unheard of > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time in > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated by > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of solid > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during manufacture > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > environment. > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia or > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you want > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't resist > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, maybe > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, would > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it as it > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up of > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back on > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in aquarium > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. While I > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account that > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any opportunity > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get too > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if you're > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't need to > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately below. > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's seemingly > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point to > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. Just as > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has not > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a molded > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a live > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal issues are > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > > connections. > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these aquatic > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically separated > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as being > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, Hyphae) > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony-like > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their food > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S declina is > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant upon > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the best > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to remain > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases its > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open wounds > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have invaded > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the last few > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did so > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > >> stone.... > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36056	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

UV sterilizers are very helpful in koi ponds. I do think that is very much a FW application. As for their use in FW aquariums, they are probably not worth the cash outlay in most instances. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > I don't think they hurt anything, but I also don't think they are necessary, > at least not for freshwater. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they > are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will > make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo > seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a > good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some > suspect claims. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? > Are they also safe for > > plants and snails? > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@ > <mailto:giuseppesalvato%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie, > > > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > > if you decide for the portable one. > > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > > few hours. > > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > > you are fighting. > > > > giuseppe > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > > the > > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > > become > > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > > aspects > > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > > last, > > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > > had > > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > > ago > > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > > stand > > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > > where > > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > > can > > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > > diseases > > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > > one > > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > > it > > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > > Nothing > > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > > kepts > > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > > anything > > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > > have > > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > > there > > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > > recommend > > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > > know > > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > > be > > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > > is > > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > > water > > > changes. Thanks all! > > > Blessings > > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36057	From: bill1433	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it-------------the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different?   My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit?  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36058	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

I have had my API test results come back way off (I have a 6.1 pH and once it came back as 7ish). Try rinsing the cap and the vial and try again and do the same thing (shake it) to see what it comes out as. My kit says to shake all of the vials after adding the liquid agents, not sure why you wouldn't shake it. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > strange about it. When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the > cap on > the vile and shook it-------------the results changed! Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5. When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0! Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36059	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

Bill   Tetra test kits are known for miss leading test results . I recomend API fresh water test kits u can get them from walmart for about 18 so dollars --- On Tue, 1/20/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 10:43 AM I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different?   My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit?  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36060	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Why not ask them to live in a closet and not be able to come out except once a week when the take the buckets of waste material out? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Actually I had a talk with the housemate, and she insists on keeping the > fish in the current container because it's very secure. It does ahve a > small hole and tube in the center, but that doesn't look like much air to > me. She said she has a bigger container but she likes the little cup > better. Adn she insists on only changing water once a week. > > These people don't even understand the germ theory of disease, and there's > no scientific issue they don't have upside down and backwards, and there's > no talking to them. They know everything and I know nothing. They must > have had quite a childhood. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does > need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or > any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us > are designing for them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar > with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36061	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

If you are getting in new fish a lot they are useful to hep keep the bad bugs from being passed to other fish in your aquariums. This is especially good on a hospital or quarantine tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > UV sterilizers are very helpful in koi ponds. I do think that is very much a FW application. As for their use in FW aquariums, they are probably not worth the cash outlay in most instances. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:03 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > I don't think they hurt anything, but I also don't think they are necessary, > > at least not for freshwater. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:39 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > > > > > UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they > > are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will > > make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo > > seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a > > good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some > > suspect claims. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? > > Are they also safe for > > > plants and snails? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Deb > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@ > > <mailto:giuseppesalvato%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie, > > > > > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > > > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > > > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > > > if you decide for the portable one. > > > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > > > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > > > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > > > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > > > few hours. > > > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > > > you are fighting. > > > > > > giuseppe > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > > > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > > > the > > > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > > > become > > > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > > > aspects > > > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > > > last, > > > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > > > had > > > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > > > ago > > > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > > > stand > > > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > > > where > > > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > > > can > > > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > > > diseases > > > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > > > one > > > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > > > it > > > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > > > Nothing > > > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > > > kepts > > > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > > > anything > > > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > > > have > > > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > > > there > > > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > > > recommend > > > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > > > know > > > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > > > be > > > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > > > is > > > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > > > water > > > > changes. Thanks all! > > > > Blessings > > > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36062	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

I see so many people in aquarium store shops that will just put their finger over the test tube and shake it . I know that the fingers can affect the results of the test..You need to rinse the test tube and cap because it might have some of the last test in it and give a wrong result. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > Bill >   > Tetra test kits are known for miss leading test results . I recomend API fresh water test kits u can get them from walmart for about 18 so dollars > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 10:43 AM > > > > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? >   > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? >  Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36063	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Wouldn't it just be a high intensity Ultra Violet (UV) light that literally kills everything that comes close to it... so when the water passes through the corkscrew or spiral or other maze that is often inside the UV housing, the water stays exposed to the UV light a little longer, giving the UV light a better chance to kill off all microbial life forms? The filter intake strainer keeps fish and plants from going through the system so they are not exposed to the UV lighting... only microscopic life forms. As I previously stated, many of these microscopic life forms are a natural and wanted part of the ecology of a tank so you may be killing off a lot of good things too.... especially if using a UV filter to get rid of green water suspended algae which is simply God's way of trying to save the fish from whatever is wrong with the tank/pond. Killing off this green water algae, without first correcting the cause of it will only be more harmful to your fish in most instances. Usually, the lower priced units work inline with a canister filter system but some models do come with their own pump so they are standalone systems and usually cost a little more since they will have their own pump, etc. The bulbs have to be changed every few (to six) months and can be expensive so always check out pricing on replacement bulbs before buying a particular model. OK now.. who wants to buy this beautiful Ford Pinto, previously owned by a little old lady who only drove it to church every Sunday? Sorry.. had to try and sell something, since \\Steve// said he couldn't find anything about UV's that wasn't trying to sell something. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some suspect claims. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? Are they also safe for > plants and snails? > > Thanks, > Deb > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Katie, > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > if you decide for the portable one. > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > few hours. > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle you > are fighting. > > giuseppe > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > the > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > become > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > aspects > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > last, > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > had > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > ago > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > stand > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > where > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > can > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > diseases > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > one > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > it > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > Nothing > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > kepts > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > anything > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > have > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > there > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > recommend > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > know > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > be > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > is > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > water > > changes. Thanks all! > > Blessings > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36064	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;)

So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone already has the light by chance? http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and how to work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about it ;) I don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the light fixture. It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be suspended on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the bottom of the tank is. Thoughts anyone? I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36065	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

In reading the instruction sheet in my kit, it says... 1. Rinse the vial with the water to be tested 2. Fill the test vial to the 5ml mark with the water to be tested (I sometimes fill it to the 10ml mark for a more stable/accurate test which also requires double of the reagent drops) 3. Hold the liquid reagent bottle upside down and add 7 drops to the test vial (14 if using the 10ml of water) 4. Shake the vial lightly <<< it does say to shake it lightly. Are you sure yours says NOT to shake it? Maybe they've changed their kit but nearly every test I can think of with API and TetraTest-Laborette requires at least turning the vial over a few times to mix the solution, others require shaking gently, others require shaking vigorously for prescribed periods of time. I hope all this time, you haven't been getting bad test results on your pH. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:43 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it-------------the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different?   My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit?  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36066	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

I don't agree with this. I have both test kits and find them both equally accurate.. unless they are both equally inaccurate. :-/ While I'm certainly not a big supporter of Tetra, as you will see in my blogs about some of the crap they try to sell to newbie's, I find their Master Test Kit to be a decent test kit at a very affordable price... especially at WallyWorld and a few other places. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett Bill   Tetra test kits are known for miss leading test results . I recomend API fresh water test kits u can get them from walmart for about 18 so dollars --- On Tue, 1/20/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 10:43 AM I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different?   My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit?  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36067	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

The syphon will not work if the tank is lower than the place where it is supposed to go to, I have a few tans that are on lower stands and so I need the water pressure to get the water out. Plus if the water is not flowing fast enough it will not pull anything except the water and not the junk in the bottom of the tank. I am thinking of adapting a power head to a long hose so that I can pump out the water and junk for the tanks with out wasting water (yes it is recyclable but they have to re clean it before it is able to be used for drinking again). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Lenny, > > I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a > description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. 128. My > parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never paid a > water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay for > water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a total > rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was not > allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water supply. > > While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should not be > wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon how > it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, but > if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the > water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > recyclable > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' > are > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle > of > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > water... > > and the cycle continues. > > > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has > limitations or > > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their > > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, > etc., > > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. > Even in > > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to > > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges > $10.00 for > > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 > gallons... > > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long > of a > > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My > bill is > > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their > bill > > might be $12 or $14. > > > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of > Massachusetts > > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the > left-coast, > > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians > wasting > > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very > much > > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning > of > > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to > > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all > of the > > other areas. > > > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are > they > > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source > going > > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not > planning > > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather > than > > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay > another > > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity > to > > study the studies. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html > the > > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar > with > > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. > How much > > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > > > Laurie > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36068	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, trinityfarms@... writes: Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. Laurie From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36069	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

I can see I'm going to have to take pictures of the living room and post them online. You'll stop asking abuot that closet... Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice Why not ask them to live in a closet and not be able to come out except once a week when the take the buckets of waste material out? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Actually I had a talk with the housemate, and she insists on keeping the > fish in the current container because it's very secure. It does ahve a > small hole and tube in the center, but that doesn't look like much air to > me. She said she has a bigger container but she likes the little cup > better. Adn she insists on only changing water once a week. > > These people don't even understand the germ theory of disease, and there's > no scientific issue they don't have upside down and backwards, and there's > no talking to them. They know everything and I know nothing. They must > have had quite a childhood. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does > need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or > any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us > are designing for them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar > with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36070	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

Teh results are different after you shook it because you properly mixed teh chemicals and probably mixed up some that was stuck on the wall of the tube - that is a standard feature of chemical testing. You're supposed to know to make sure the chemicals combine properly! API high end ph test doesn't say to shake the bottle for a minute, but it often makes a big difference. With that said, I've consistently gotten results from Tetra kits that make no sense whatever. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "biG poppa" <greychildren@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett Bill Tetra test kits are known for miss leading test results . I recomend API fresh water test kits u can get them from walmart for about 18 so dollars --- On Tue, 1/20/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 10:43 AM I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it. When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed! Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5. When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0! Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36071	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your Hillstream's. ;-) Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that would be OK. Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that the rapid water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched this. This may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long as you don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone already has the light by chance? http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and how to work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about it ;) I don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the light fixture. It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be suspended on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the bottom of the tank is. Thoughts anyone? I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36072	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

You may want to take a look at this page http://americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumUVSterilization.html I think it gives a good explanation on the benefits of UV Sterilizers. Giuseppe --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they > are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will > make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo > seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a > good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some > suspect claims. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? > Are they also safe for > > plants and snails? > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie, > > > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > > if you decide for the portable one. > > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > > few hours. > > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > > you are fighting. > > > > giuseppe > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > > the > > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > > become > > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > > aspects > > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > > last, > > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > > had > > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > > ago > > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > > stand > > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > > where > > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > > can > > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > > diseases > > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > > one > > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > > it > > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > > Nothing > > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > > kepts > > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > > anything > > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > > have > > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > > there > > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > > recommend > > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > > know > > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > > be > > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > > is > > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > > water > > > changes. Thanks all! > > > Blessings > > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

Yes, they do have to clean it but they actually have to add a LOT more water to the sewage treatment in the cleaning process so the little extra water you add only makes it easier for them. ;-) Also, if there was not enough water in the sewer pipes, the solid wastes (poop, etc.) would simply build up into sludge and clog the pipes. If everyone started being super-frugal in their use of water, the sewage systems of America would quickly become clogged with solid wastes as they were designed to transfer liquid, not solids.... so, my fellow people of the America, go forth and use your Python's!!!! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question The syphon will not work if the tank is lower than the place where it is supposed to go to, I have a few tans that are on lower stands and so I need the water pressure to get the water out. Plus if the water is not flowing fast enough it will not pull anything except the water and not the junk in the bottom of the tank. I am thinking of adapting a power head to a long hose so that I can pump out the water and junk for the tanks with out wasting water (yes it is recyclable but they have to re clean it before it is able to be used for drinking again). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Lenny, > > I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a > description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. 128. My > parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never paid a > water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay for > water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a total > rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was not > allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water supply. > > While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should not be > wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon how > it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, but > if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the > water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > recyclable > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' > are > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle > of > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > water... > > and the cycle continues. > > > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has > limitations or > > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with their > > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, pilfering, > etc., > > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. > Even in > > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks to > > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges > $10.00 for > > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 > gallons... > > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how long > of a > > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. My > bill is > > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, their > bill > > might be $12 or $14. > > > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of > Massachusetts > > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the > left-coast, > > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians > wasting > > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be very > much > > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the meaning > of > > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary costs to > > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in all > of the > > other areas. > > > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening (are > they > > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source > going > > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not > planning > > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies rather > than > > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay > another > > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected entity > to > > study the studies. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > According to the website _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html > the > > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being familiar > with > > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. > How much > > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > > > Laurie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36074	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that DrsFosterSmith.com has the lowest price on the 25' system and the 50' system... http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?cop=mss&e i=UTF-8&p=Python%20water%20change&fr2=tab-web&fr=robo A Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.com having the lowest prices on both models. Here's the direct link to the DFS page... http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910 You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, trinityfarms@... writes: Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. Laurie From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36075	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

First, a 10G tank is no where large enough for an angelfish. They grow to 6" long and 9" tall and should be in at least a 29G tall tank or larger for a single specimen. Fish will suffer from stunting in undersized aquariums and stunting then leads to stress and immune system issues which then makes the fish far more susceptible to health and disease issues. Here's a good profile and care sheet on Angelfish with a lot more information about them that you may not know. The most common Angelfish's information is listed in the second profile on the page so scroll down about 1/2 way. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm I've never seen this particular issue with a fish but I would suspect either a birth defect, injury or possibly parasites or infection that led to the gill becoming inoperable... much like if one of our lungs were damaged. While the fish may still be able to live, it will likely have a much tougher time since it's only able to breath 1/2 as well as it should. You should look at getting a larger tank and then let us know if you do so we can walk you through the transplanting of the 10G into the larger tank so you do not disrupt the ecosystem too much. In the meantime, tell us a LOT more about your tank, other fish, plants, filtration, your tank maintenance schedule, water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature, etc.). You mention the water temp of 76F to 84F but these fish are best kept at a more constant temperature. You could add a pinch of salt (diluted in some removed tank water first) to the water as the chloride part of salt (sodium chloride) will aid in gill function making Oxygen intake easier for the gill organ. Just a pinch for now though. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave H. Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:12 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello and question about my fish Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan.  I'm also new here, and need help!! I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May.  I have been enjoying her for a long time.  Yesterday, I noticed that one of her gills isn't moving.  She has been breathing with her right gill, but not both.  She is moving around like nothing has happened.  Does anyone know why or what have caused this issue to happen?  I would NOT want to lose my Angelfish.  She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a personality!!  Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good.  Any suggestions?? Thanks in advance!!! Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36076	From: pam andress	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

I would check ebay, but those are some good prices from Dr Foster and Smith. I did get one off of ebay once and I think I paid 25 including shipping for a 25' brand new one. So it doesn't hurt to look. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: GoldLenny@...: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:22 -0600Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found thatDrsFosterSmith.com has the lowest price on the 25' system and the 50'system...http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=Python%20water%20change&fr2=tab-web&fr=roboA Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.comhaving the lowest prices on both models.Here's the direct link to the DFS page...http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites.The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the topof the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start to break acouple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, I use some epoxyto reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump.Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the rightside, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)-----Original Message-----From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Jpateson@...: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AMTo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, PriceWho has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topicof PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.?Thanks,JimIn a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,trinityfarms@... writes:Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into acistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (totheseptic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of thehouse, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever sowe don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot waterheater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's theattachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemedlikeit "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It'sbeen a long time and it may have been for the water bed.LaurieFrom: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ]OnBehalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLennySent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PMTo: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python questionThere's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclableproducts. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with yourPython... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' areremoved and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle ofwater on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water...and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º>PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important tothe reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECTLINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <-<º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36077	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Thanks Pam, I'll check ebay.. Jim In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:29:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, pamandress23@... writes: I would check ebay, but those are some good prices from Dr Foster and Smith. I did get one off of ebay once and I think I paid 25 including shipping for a 25' brand new one. So it doesn't hurt to look. Pam To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aquatic_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom) : _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) : Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:22 -0600Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found thatDrsFosterSmith.A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found _system...http:system...htsystem...hsystem...httsystem...http:<Wsystem...httpsystem.&ei=ei=<W&p=Pyth on%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=roboA_ (system...http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=Python%20water%20c hange&fr2=tab-web&fr=roboA) Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith. Google Shopping search found identical resu Google Shopping search found_page...http:page...http:<WBRpage...htpage...http:page...http:page...http:<W_ (page...http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910You) may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites.The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the topof the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start to break acouple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, I use some epoxyto reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump.Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the rightside, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)-----Original Message-----(Links_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] OnBehalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AMTo: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@AquaticLif_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comSubject) : Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, PriceWho has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topicof PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.?Thanks,: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, PriceWho has the cheapest pric_trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes:Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into acistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (totheseptic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of thehouse, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever sowe don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot waterheater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's theattachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemedlikeit "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36078	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Lenny, Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... Jim In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' sy system... _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppihttp://&e_ (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?cop=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo A Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.A having the lowest prices on both models. Here's the direct link to the DFS page... _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._ (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes: Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. Laurie From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... and the cycle continues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See your steps! (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.htt_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747 /aol?redir=htt) _p://www.freecreditrp://www.frp://www.frep://www.freecrep://www.fp://www.fp:_ (file:///p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= De) cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36079	From: William	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

We are talking about mostly water (except in some extreme situations) that will be taken out of aquariums when doing a water change. Yes sewer systems need the fluids to push the solids (by gravity) down to where they are going but if you have mostly water then it will get there without clogging the pipes. For your information, I used to work for the water and sewer department of a city for over 30 years. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Yes, they do have to clean it but they actually have to add a LOT more water > to the sewage treatment in the cleaning process so the little extra water > you add only makes it easier for them. ;-) > > Also, if there was not enough water in the sewer pipes, the solid wastes > (poop, etc.) would simply build up into sludge and clog the pipes. If > everyone started being super-frugal in their use of water, the sewage > systems of America would quickly become clogged with solid wastes as they > were designed to transfer liquid, not solids.... so, my fellow people of the > America, go forth and use your Python's!!!! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of William > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question > > The syphon will not work if the tank is lower than the place where it is > supposed to go to, I have a few tans that are on lower stands and so I need > the water pressure to get the water out. Plus if the water is not flowing > fast enough it will not pull anything except the water and not the junk in > the bottom of the tank. I am thinking of adapting a power head to a long > hose so that I can pump out the water and junk for the tanks with out > wasting water (yes it is recyclable but they have to re clean it before it > is able to be used for drinking again). > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > Lenny, > > > > I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of > Massachusetts, a > > description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. > 128. My > > parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never > paid a > > water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay > for > > water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a > total > > rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was > not > > allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water > supply. > > > > While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should > not be > > wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon > how > > it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, > but > > if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the > > water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > > recyclable > > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with > your > > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the > TDS' > > are > > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural > cycle > > of > > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > > water... > > > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has > > limitations or > > > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with > their > > > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, > pilfering, > > etc., > > > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. > > Even in > > > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks > to > > > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges > > $10.00 for > > > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 > > gallons... > > > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how > long > > of a > > > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. > My > > bill is > > > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, > their > > bill > > > might be $12 or $14. > > > > > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of > > Massachusetts > > > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the > > left-coast, > > > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians > > wasting > > > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be > very > > much > > > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the > meaning > > of > > > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary > costs to > > > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in > all > > of the > > > other areas. > > > > > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening > (are > > they > > > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source > > going > > > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not > > planning > > > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies > rather > > than > > > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > > > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay > > another > > > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected > entity > > to > > > study the studies. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the website > _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html > > the > > > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being > familiar > > with > > > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. > > How much > > > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Laurie >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36080	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your Hillstream's. ;-) > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > would be > OK. > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that the rapid > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > that > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched this. This > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long as you > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there > might be ;) > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > already > has the light by chance? > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and how to > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about it ;) I > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > light > fixture. > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > fish/plants, but > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > always > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > watts > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > figured it > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be suspended > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > bottom of the tank is. > > Thoughts anyone? > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > on it, > cansiter and powerhead only. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36081	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

I have to use my python upstairs so the suction doesn't work at all for my tank downstairs, and of course it's the biggest one, so I'm sure I waste a lot of water :( Can't wait to get the new dishwasher hooked up so I can get new fittings for the kitchen sink and don't have to run the python upstairs to clean the 125 gallon tank downstairs. Amber William wrote: > > The syphon will not work if the tank is lower than the place where it > is supposed to go to, I have a few tans that are on lower stands and > so I need the water pressure to get the water out. Plus if the water > is not flowing fast enough it will not pull anything except the water > and not the junk in the bottom of the tank. I am thinking of adapting > a power head to a long hose so that I can pump out the water and junk > for the tanks with out wasting water (yes it is recyclable but they > have to re clean it before it is able to be used for drinking again). > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Lenny, > > > > I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of > Massachusetts, a > > description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. > 128. My > > parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never > paid a > > water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay > for > > water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a > total > > rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was > not > > allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water > supply. > > > > While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should > not be > > wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon > how > > it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, > but > > if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the > > water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > > recyclable > > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with > your > > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the > TDS' > > are > > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural > cycle > > of > > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > > water... > > > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has > > limitations or > > > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with > their > > > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, > pilfering, > > etc., > > > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. > > Even in > > > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks > to > > > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges > > $10.00 for > > > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 > > gallons... > > > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how > long > > of a > > > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. > My > > bill is > > > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, > their > > bill > > > might be $12 or $14. > > > > > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of > > Massachusetts > > > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the > > left-coast, > > > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians > > wasting > > > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be > very > > much > > > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the > meaning > > of > > > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary > costs to > > > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in > all > > of the > > > other areas. > > > > > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening > (are > > they > > > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source > > going > > > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not > > planning > > > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies > rather > > than > > > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > > > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay > > another > > > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected > entity > > to > > > study the studies. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the website > _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html > <http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html> > > the > > > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being > familiar > > with > > > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. > > How much > > > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Laurie > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36082	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i want to buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can help it and i have a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's perfect size. i just need that to attach to one of these i guess.. I keep seeing all kinds of fitting replacements but never really accessories for them to adjust them for different tank types etc. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@...> wrote: > Lenny, > > Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > GoldLenny@... writes: > > A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that > DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' sy > system... > _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppihttp://&e_ > > (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?cop=mss&e) > i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo > > A Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.A > having the lowest prices on both models. > > Here's the direct link to the DFS page... > _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._ > (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) > > You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. > The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the top > of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start to break a > couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, I use some epoxy > to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] > On > Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topic > of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes: > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to > the > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed > like > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > Laurie > > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: > _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] > On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36083	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

Gosh Lenny I need to give you my dad's phone number at home so YOU can try arguing with him about his catfish in his 20 gallon tank (long), he refuses to give it to me with the pictus catfish even though the darn thing will grow up to 8 inches long, and I'm sure it will eventually start eating the other fish just like the pictus catfish did, right now the pictus catfish rules the tank, but I'm going to go over and get him this week (finally). I wish he would let me take the other catfish too but he argues up and down that it'll be "just fine" in that tank, ugh! LOL. Normally I can talk other people out of this but my parents are just as stubborn as I am and that's not easy to do, LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > First, a 10G tank is no where large enough for an angelfish. They grow to > 6" long and 9" tall and should be in at least a 29G tall tank or > larger for > a single specimen. Fish will suffer from stunting in undersized aquariums > and stunting then leads to stress and immune system issues which then > makes > the fish far more susceptible to health and disease issues. > > Here's a good profile and care sheet on Angelfish with a lot more > information about them that you may not know. The most common Angelfish's > information is listed in the second profile on the page so scroll down > about > 1/2 way. > http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm> > > I've never seen this particular issue with a fish but I would suspect > either > a birth defect, injury or possibly parasites or infection that led to the > gill becoming inoperable... much like if one of our lungs were damaged. > While the fish may still be able to live, it will likely have a much > tougher > time since it's only able to breath 1/2 as well as it should. You should > look at getting a larger tank and then let us know if you do so we can > walk > you through the transplanting of the 10G into the larger tank so you > do not > disrupt the ecosystem too much. > > In the meantime, tell us a LOT more about your tank, other fish, plants, > filtration, your tank maintenance schedule, water parameters (ammonia, > nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature, etc.). You mention the water temp > of 76F > to 84F but these fish are best kept at a more constant temperature. > > You could add a pinch of salt (diluted in some removed tank water > first) to > the water as the chloride part of salt (sodium chloride) will aid in gill > function making Oxygen intake easier for the gill organ. Just a pinch for > now though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dave H. > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:12 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello and question about my fish > > Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan. I'm also new here, and need > help!! > I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May. I have been enjoying > her for > a long time. Yesterday, I noticed that one of her gills isn't > moving. She > has been breathing with her right gill, but not both. She is moving > around > like nothing has happened. Does anyone know why or what have caused this > issue to happen? I would NOT want to lose my Angelfish. She is a lot of > fun to watch and she has quite a personality!! Hope you can help me!! I > have a 10 gallon tank, with a heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is > good. Any suggestions?? > Thanks in advance!!! Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Yes, they sell the siphon tubes in lengths up to 72" (6'.. usually for ponds.. if I had a 6' deep tank, I'd put on my scuba gear and use the 18" tube. LOL). Click on the DFS link that I posted earlier, then click on the Accessories link and you'll see the link to the various tubes... or I could just do it for you. ;-) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3902&rel=1 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i want to buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can help it and i have a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's perfect size. i just need that to attach to one of these i guess.. I keep seeing all kinds of fitting replacements but never really accessories for them to adjust them for different tank types etc. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@...> wrote: > Lenny, > > Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > GoldLenny@... writes: > > A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that > DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' > sy system... > _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppiht > tp://&e_ > > (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?co > p=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo > > A Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.A > having the lowest prices on both models. > > Here's the direct link to the DFS page... > _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._ > (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) > > You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. > The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the > top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start > to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, > I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ > (mailto:Jpateson@...) > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the > topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes: > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked > into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the > drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at > the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs > or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets > to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the > python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I > had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in > maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may > have been for the water bed. > > Laurie > > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: > _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife > @Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: > _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC > with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where > the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the > natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

You better be careful wasting all that water... you might flood your island by raising the Ocean level too high (said in my best AlGore voice imitation). ;-) I haven't bought a new dishwasher in years... not since my last ex-wife. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question I have to use my python upstairs so the suction doesn't work at all for my tank downstairs, and of course it's the biggest one, so I'm sure I waste a lot of water :( Can't wait to get the new dishwasher hooked up so I can get new fittings for the kitchen sink and don't have to run the python upstairs to clean the 125 gallon tank downstairs. Amber William wrote: > > The syphon will not work if the tank is lower than the place where it > is supposed to go to, I have a few tans that are on lower stands and > so I need the water pressure to get the water out. Plus if the water > is not flowing fast enough it will not pull anything except the water > and not the junk in the bottom of the tank. I am thinking of adapting > a power head to a long hose so that I can pump out the water and junk > for the tanks with out wasting water (yes it is recyclable but they > have to re clean it before it is able to be used for drinking again). > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Lenny, > > > > I'd watch your comments about the People's Republic of > Massachusetts, a > > description best suited to Cambridge and a few areas within Rte. > 128. My > > parents, in more than 40 years living in Massachusetts have never > paid a > > water bill. In only one place I lived while in MA did I have to pay > for > > water, and I thought, though it was not expensive, that it was a > total > > rip off especially since there was a well on the property and I was > not > > allowed to use it, but needed to be hooked up to the town water > supply. > > > > While water, in many places, is relatively inexpensive, it should > not be > > wasted. The amount of water used by the Python device depends upon > how > > it is used. You really only need enough water to start the siphon, > but > > if the faucet is a long way from the tank, one will likely leave the > > water on while siphoning, thus using more water than is necessary. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:36 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > > recyclable > > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with > your > > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the > TDS' > > are > > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural > cycle > > of > > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > > water... > > > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > The only concern would be if your water utility or supply has > > limitations or > > > excessive costs due to the government agency being wasteful with > their > > > typical government bloat, new cars, blackberries, trips, > pilfering, > > etc., > > > and they then pass on their waste to the citizens in higher costs. > > Even in > > > the second-most-convicted-politician-state like Louisiana (thanks > to > > > Obama-land Illinois being first... lol), my water utility charges > > $10.00 for > > > the first 2,000 gallons and then $2.00 for each additional 1,000 > > gallons... > > > so I don't have to worry about how often I flush my toilet or how > long > > of a > > > shower I take.. or how many tanks I siphon clean with my Python. > My > > bill is > > > never more than the initial $10.00. I guess in a big family, > their > > bill > > > might be $12 or $14. > > > > > > Now, I understand that in States like the People's Republic of > > Massachusetts > > > and their compatriots over in California and the rest of the > > left-coast, > > > things might not be so reasonably priced due to their politicians > > wasting > > > even more money than mine down here... but it still shouldn't be > very > > much > > > for tap water... except that most governments do not know the > meaning > > of > > > living within a budget and then they add taxes or unnecessary > costs to > > > things like water to make up for their fiscal irresponsibility in > all > > of the > > > other areas. > > > > > > And then there's real shortages like those that were happening > (are > > they > > > still?) down in Georgia last year, with their primary water source > > going > > > dry, but once again, that's likely due to their politicians not > > planning > > > things properly... or rather spending all the money on studies > rather > > than > > > actually doing something about the problem ahead of time.... them > > > politicians sure like their "studies". And then they have to pay > > another > > > wasteful government grant to some other politically connected > entity > > to > > > study the studies. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > > Behalf Of Laurie Murphy > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the website > _http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html > <http://www.pythonproducts.com/aqprod.html> > > the > > > python uses as much water as flushing your toilet. Not being > familiar > > with > > > them, I'm thinking doing a partial on a 10 is different than a 50. > > How much > > > water is "wasted" when using one. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Laurie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36086	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

Yep... the nut doesn't fall far from the tree! LOL Of course, I'm not calling you a nut... or am I? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hello and question about my fish Gosh Lenny I need to give you my dad's phone number at home so YOU can try arguing with him about his catfish in his 20 gallon tank (long), he refuses to give it to me with the pictus catfish even though the darn thing will grow up to 8 inches long, and I'm sure it will eventually start eating the other fish just like the pictus catfish did, right now the pictus catfish rules the tank, but I'm going to go over and get him this week (finally). I wish he would let me take the other catfish too but he argues up and down that it'll be "just fine" in that tank, ugh! LOL. Normally I can talk other people out of this but my parents are just as stubborn as I am and that's not easy to do, LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > First, a 10G tank is no where large enough for an angelfish. They grow > to 6" long and 9" tall and should be in at least a 29G tall tank or > larger for a single specimen. Fish will suffer from stunting in > undersized aquariums and stunting then leads to stress and immune > system issues which then makes the fish far more susceptible to health > and disease issues. > > Here's a good profile and care sheet on Angelfish with a lot more > information about them that you may not know. The most common > Angelfish's information is listed in the second profile on the page so > scroll down about > 1/2 way. > http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm> > > I've never seen this particular issue with a fish but I would suspect > either a birth defect, injury or possibly parasites or infection that > led to the gill becoming inoperable... much like if one of our lungs > were damaged. > While the fish may still be able to live, it will likely have a much > tougher time since it's only able to breath 1/2 as well as it should. > You should look at getting a larger tank and then let us know if you > do so we can walk you through the transplanting of the 10G into the > larger tank so you do not disrupt the ecosystem too much. > > In the meantime, tell us a LOT more about your tank, other fish, > plants, filtration, your tank maintenance schedule, water parameters > (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature, etc.). You mention the > water temp of 76F to 84F but these fish are best kept at a more > constant temperature. > > You could add a pinch of salt (diluted in some removed tank water > first) to > the water as the chloride part of salt (sodium chloride) will aid in > gill function making Oxygen intake easier for the gill organ. Just a > pinch for now though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Dave H. > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:12 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello and question about my fish > > Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan. I'm also new here, and > need help!! > I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May. I have been enjoying > her for a long time. Yesterday, I noticed that one of her gills isn't > moving. She has been breathing with her right gill, but not both. > She is moving around like nothing has happened. Does anyone know why > or what have caused this issue to happen? I would NOT want to lose my > Angelfish. She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a > personality!! Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a > heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good. Any suggestions?? > Thanks in advance!!! Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36087	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: a question about pwc's

I finally got the 2 guppies i was promised as my aquariums water parameters ect are finally where they are supposed to be. I have a male and female and have made arrangements to give the excess when they get too much for the tank to another friend of mine.? How often do i need to do the pwc? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36088	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: a question about pwc's

I think 25% PWC's and other tank/filter maintenance should be done at least weekly on a fully stocked aquarium. Overstocked or lightly stocked maintenance will vary depending on the degree of stocking. If you have two guppies in a 500G aquarium, you might be able to go a year between tank maintenance. If you have a single goldfish in a 10G tank, you will likely have to do daily tank maintenance... until you can get a much larger tank. All that said, what size tank, what brand/model filter system, live plants or not, tap water baseline parameters (pH, GH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, etc.) and tank water parameters prior to a PWC would give us a better idea of how often you need to do PWC's and tank/filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; freshwateraquariums@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a question about pwc's I finally got the 2 guppies i was promised as my aquariums water parameters ect are finally where they are supposed to be. I have a male and female and have made arrangements to give the excess when they get too much for the tank to another friend of mine.? How often do i need to do the pwc?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36089	From: Darlene	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny

I haven't bought a new dishwasher in years... not since my last ex-wife. ;-) i have one sitting here in my locker just waiting for a buyer :)) LOL Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36091	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

No, I think it's that the directions didn't tell him to shake it, and he actually had to be told that. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett In reading the instruction sheet in my kit, it says... 1. Rinse the vial with the water to be tested 2. Fill the test vial to the 5ml mark with the water to be tested (I sometimes fill it to the 10ml mark for a more stable/accurate test which also requires double of the reagent drops) 3. Hold the liquid reagent bottle upside down and add 7 drops to the test vial (14 if using the 10ml of water) 4. Shake the vial lightly <<< it does say to shake it lightly. Are you sure yours says NOT to shake it? Maybe they've changed their kit but nearly every test I can think of with API and TetraTest-Laborette requires at least turning the vial over a few times to mix the solution, others require shaking gently, others require shaking vigorously for prescribed periods of time. I hope all this time, you haven't been getting bad test results on your pH. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:43 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetra Test Kit---Laborett I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something strange about it. When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it-------------the results changed! Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5. When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0! Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36092	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

You are the best Lenny. My buddy wants a longer one also, so ill send it along to him. Thanks! On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Yes, they sell the siphon tubes in lengths up to 72" (6'.. usually for > ponds.. if I had a 6' deep tank, I'd put on my scuba gear and use the 18" > tube. LOL). Click on the DFS link that I posted earlier, then click on the > Accessories link and you'll see the link to the various tubes... or I could > just do it for you. ;-) > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3902&rel=1 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i want to > buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can help it and i have > a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's perfect size. i just need that > to attach to one of these i guess.. I keep seeing all kinds of fitting > replacements but never really accessories for them to adjust them for > different tank types etc. > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@...> wrote: >> Lenny, >> >> Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... >> >> Jim >> >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> >> GoldLenny@... writes: >> >> A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that >> DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' >> sy system... >> _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppiht >> tp://&e_ >> >> (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?co >> p=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo >> >> A Google Shopping search found identical results with DrsFosterSmith.A >> having the lowest prices on both models. >> >> Here's the direct link to the DFS page... >> _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._ >> (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) >> >> You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. >> The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where the >> top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these start >> to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a new one, >> I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ >> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in >> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) >> [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ >> (mailto:Jpateson@...) >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM >> To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price >> >> Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the >> topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes: >> >> Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked >> into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the >> drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at >> the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs >> or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets >> to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the >> python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I >> had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in >> maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it may >> have been for the water bed. >> >> Laurie >> >> From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: >> _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) >> [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife >> @Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka >> GoldLenny >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM >> To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: >> _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question >> >> There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in >> recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC >> with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where >> the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the >> natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation > (rain/snow), water... >> and the cycle continues. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36093	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny

An ex-wife or a dishwasher? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question / Lenny I haven't bought a new dishwasher in years... not since my last ex-wife. ;-) i have one sitting here in my locker just waiting for a buyer :)) LOL Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36094	From: Darlene	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question / Lenny

An ex-wife or a dishwasher? LOL ROFLMAO !!!!!!! i don't keep ex-wives locked in my locker silly!!!! they might damage my tools :))) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36095	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Something else you can do if you don't want to buy a longer siphon tube.. is take a wooden dowel and just silicone it, or nylon tie it, or both, to the side of your current tube so that you have a longer stick to hold onto. Those plastic wands used on mini-blinds would also work for this purpose if they are sturdy enough. I've seen some that are stiff and others that are really flimsy. The only reason I'd get one longer or bigger than the standard 18"" long 2" tube is if I had a REALLY BIG tank with a lot more bottom area that needed to be cleaned so a wider tube would cover the area faster but then the larger tube might not get into the cracks and crevices between plants/ornaments as well so the 2" is a good size for all of my tanks... although it is pretty big for the 10G tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price You are the best Lenny. My buddy wants a longer one also, so ill send it along to him. Thanks! On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Yes, they sell the siphon tubes in lengths up to 72" (6'.. usually for > ponds.. if I had a 6' deep tank, I'd put on my scuba gear and use the 18" > tube. LOL). Click on the DFS link that I posted earlier, then click on > the Accessories link and you'll see the link to the various tubes... > or I could just do it for you. ;-) > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3902&rel > =1 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i > want to buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can help > it and i have a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's perfect > size. i just need that to attach to one of these i guess.. I keep > seeing all kinds of fitting replacements but never really accessories > for them to adjust them for different tank types etc. > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@...> wrote: >> Lenny, >> >> Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... >> >> Jim >> >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> >> GoldLenny@... writes: >> >> A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that >> DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' >> sy system... >> _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppih >> t >> tp://&e_ >> >> (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?c >> o >> p=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo >> >> A Google Shopping search found identical results with >> DrsFosterSmith.A having the lowest prices on both models. >> >> Here's the direct link to the DFS page... >> _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._ >> (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) >> >> You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. >> The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where >> the top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these >> start to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a >> new one, I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new faucet pump. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ >> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in >> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) >> [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of >> _Jpateson@..._ >> (mailto:Jpateson@...) >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM >> To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price >> >> Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the >> topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...) writes: >> >> Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked >> into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the >> drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at >> the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs >> or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets >> to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the >> python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I >> had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in >> maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it >> may have been for the water bed. >> >> Laurie >> >> From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: >> _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) >> [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLif >> e >> @Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka >> GoldLenny >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM >> To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: >> _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question >> >> There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in >> recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC >> with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where >> the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the >> natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation > (rain/snow), water... >> and the cycle continues. > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36096	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Amber, I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually help the plants with chlorophyll production. See http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > for the plants on top of the shelves. > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your Hillstream's. ;-) > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > would be > > OK. > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that the rapid > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > that > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched this. This > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long as you > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > there > > might be ;) > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > already > > has the light by chance? > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and how to > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about it ;) I > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > light > > fixture. > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > fish/plants, but > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > always > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > watts > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > figured it > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be suspended > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > on it, > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36097	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

Joe, Go to www.froogle.com or www.pricegrabber.com and do the search. You may not get the absolute lowest price, but you will get a good idea how inexpensively you can get it for. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jpateson@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the topic > of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > trinityfarms@... writes: > > > > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > Laurie > > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www > .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36098	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Those actinics will also give you LOTS of algae. I had to get rid of mine and switch to all white. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) Amber, I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually help the plants with chlorophyll production. See http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectru m-photosythesis.html> lantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> com/78v82w Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi http://faq.thekrib. <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> com/plant-lighting.html If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > for the plants on top of the shelves. > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your Hillstream's. ;-) > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > would be > > OK. > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that the rapid > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > that > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched this. This > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long as you > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > there > > might be ;) > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > already > > has the light by chance? > > http://www.marinede <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html> pot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > <http://www.marinede <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> pot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and how to > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about it ;) I > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > light > > fixture. > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > fish/plants, but > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > always > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > watts > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > figured it > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be suspended > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > on it, > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36099	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type of plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic light. This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular aquatic plants want/need ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html> > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed > where p = Low light plants 0.08 > Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 > Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 > Bright light plants 0.27 > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > > would be > > > OK. > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > the rapid > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > > that > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > this. This > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > as you > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > > there > > > might be ;) > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > > already > > > has the light by chance? > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > how to > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > it ;) I > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > > light > > > fixture. > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > fish/plants, but > > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > > always > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > > watts > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > figured it > > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be > suspended > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > > on it, > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36100	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Also thanks for pointing out that article on lighting (color spectrum's), very informative Steve :) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html> > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed > where p = Low light plants 0.08 > Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 > Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 > Bright light plants 0.27 > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > > would be > > > OK. > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > the rapid > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > > that > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > this. This > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > as you > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > > there > > > might be ;) > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > > already > > > has the light by chance? > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > how to > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > it ;) I > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > > light > > > fixture. > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > fish/plants, but > > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > > always > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > > watts > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > figured it > > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be > suspended > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > > on it, > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36101	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Yes the article says that algae uses blue lights more than any other color spectrum, and it also says that lumen's do not equate for plants, so the comment I first posted is pointless, LOL. We do need some other way to figure out the right spectrums/watts that we need for plants though, I just don't think there's any simple way to answer it according to the site Steve pointed out (aquaticplantcental.com) Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Those actinics will also give you LOTS of algae. I had to get rid of mine > and switch to all white. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there might be ;) > > Amber, > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > help the > plants with chlorophyll production. See > http://www.aquaticp > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectru > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectru> > m-photosythesis.html> > lantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> com/78v82w > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > wattage > needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed > where p = Low light plants 0.08 > Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 > Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 > Bright light plants 0.27 > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > http://faq.thekrib. <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > com/plant-lighting.html > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > find > it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, if a train > leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train leaves Washington, > DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > there might be ;) > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > > would be > > > OK. > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that the > rapid > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > > that > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched this. > This > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > as you > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > > there > > > might be ;) > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > > already > > > has the light by chance? > > > http://www.marinede > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > pot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinede > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > pot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > how to > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > it ;) > I > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > > light > > > fixture. > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > fish/plants, but > > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > > always > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > > watts > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > figured it > > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be > suspended > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > > on it, > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. > "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36102	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

The problem comes when comparing apples to oranges... that is regular Fluorescent tubes to Compact Fluorescent Tubes (or any other modern lighting like Halogen, LED, etc.) since CFL's (and other modern lighting) put out a lot more light (lumens) per watt. The info on TheKrib's site is good info but it pertains to regular fluorescent tubes, not CFL's. You may need to see how many lumens your bulbs put out compared to the lumens put out by the Fluorescent tubes used in TheKrib's article and then adjust accordingly. For a simple example and the numbers are not accurate but just used as examples... so if the formula calls for 130 watts of standard fluorescent tubes that put out a total of 400 lumens and your 130 watts of CFL's put out a total of 700 lumens, then you would not need 130 watts of CFL's but more like 57% of the same wattage since 400 lumens is only 57% of 700 lumens... so you would only need 74 watts of CFL lighting to get the same 400 lumens as 130 watts of standard fluorescent tubes. Of course, the different brands put out different lumens per watt so you have to compare the bulbs for actual numbers and then figure things out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type of plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic light. This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular aquatic plants want/need ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-sp > ectrum-photosythesis.html > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > pectrum-photosythesis.html> > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright > light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just > > a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't > > want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn > > and dusk situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > > CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles > > > type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > that would be OK. > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > the rapid > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > > researched > this. This > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > as you > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe > > > you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > how the surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > anyone already has the light by chance? > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > how to > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > it ;) I > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for > > > the light fixture. > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, > > > so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with > > > more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be > > > plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and > > > since most of the plants I will be getting will be > suspended > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than > > > the bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36103	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Yes, there is a simple way... trial and error. ;-) Leave the lights on for 10 hours a day and if things go well, leave it alone. If you start getting too much algae, cut back to 9 hours a day, then 8 hours a day. If you don't get algae and the plants aren't growing well, bump it up to 11 hours a day and then 12 hours a day. That's how it's been done for the past couple of thousand years or so... of course, they didn't have electrical lighting back then so they would move their tanks closer to the window (or cave opening) or further away until they got it right. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) Yes the article says that algae uses blue lights more than any other color spectrum, and it also says that lumen's do not equate for plants, so the comment I first posted is pointless, LOL. We do need some other way to figure out the right spectrums/watts that we need for plants though, I just don't think there's any simple way to answer it according to the site Steve pointed out (aquaticplantcental.com) Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Those actinics will also give you LOTS of algae. I had to get rid of > mine and switch to all white. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > Amber, > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See http://www.aquaticp > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > pectru > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > pectru> > m-photosythesis.html> > lantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesi > s.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> com/78v82w > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > plants. > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright > light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > http://faq.thekrib. <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > com/plant-lighting.html > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > there might be ;) > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just > > a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't > > want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn > > and dusk situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > > CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles > > > type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > that would be OK. > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > the > rapid > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > > researched this. > This > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > as you > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe > > > you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > how the surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > anyone already has the light by chance? > > > http://www.marinede > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > pot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinede > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > pot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > how to > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > it ;) > I > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for > > > the light fixture. > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, > > > so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with > > > more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be > > > plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and > > > since most of the plants I will be getting will be > suspended > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than > > > the bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36104	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Hey Lenny did you check out this site that Steve linked us? It has a lot to think about for lumens/spectrum and how they label CFL's on today's market (misleading btw, in case anyone is curious). http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesis.html> TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > The problem comes when comparing apples to oranges... that is regular > Fluorescent tubes to Compact Fluorescent Tubes (or any other modern > lighting > like Halogen, LED, etc.) since CFL's (and other modern lighting) put out a > lot more light (lumens) per watt. The info on TheKrib's site is good info > but it pertains to regular fluorescent tubes, not CFL's. You may need to > see how many lumens your bulbs put out compared to the lumens put out > by the > Fluorescent tubes used in TheKrib's article and then adjust accordingly. > > For a simple example and the numbers are not accurate but just used as > examples... so if the formula calls for 130 watts of standard fluorescent > tubes that put out a total of 400 lumens and your 130 watts of CFL's > put out > a total of 700 lumens, then you would not need 130 watts of CFL's but more > like 57% of the same wattage since 400 lumens is only 57% of 700 lumens... > so you would only need 74 watts of CFL lighting to get the same 400 lumens > as 130 watts of standard fluorescent tubes. Of course, the different > brands > put out different lumens per watt so you have to compare the bulbs for > actual numbers and then figure things out. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there might be ;) > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type of > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > that > include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch something > around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant bulbs that > are 65 > watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic light. > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > overdoing > it for lumens, I'm not sure. > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > aquatic > plants want/need ;) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-sp > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-sp> > > ectrum-photosythesis.html > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s> > > pectrum-photosythesis.html> > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > plants. > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright > > light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just > > > a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > switches for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > > of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't > > > want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn > > > and dusk situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > > after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > > have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > > CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > > least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > > > CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles > > > > type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > > that would be OK. > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > the rapid > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > > > researched > > this. This > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > > as you > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe > > > > you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > > how the surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > generator. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > > anyone already has the light by chance? > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > > how to > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > > it ;) I > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for > > > > the light fixture. > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, > > > > so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with > > > > more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be > > > > plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and > > > > since most of the plants I will be getting will be > > suspended > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than > > > > the bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > > filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36105	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Now I'm imagining cave men with fish tanks, LOL. Now how would they filter these fish tanks? ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, there is a simple way... trial and error. ;-) Leave the lights on for > 10 hours a day and if things go well, leave it alone. If you start getting > too much algae, cut back to 9 hours a day, then 8 hours a day. If you > don't > get algae and the plants aren't growing well, bump it up to 11 hours a day > and then 12 hours a day. That's how it's been done for the past couple of > thousand years or so... of course, they didn't have electrical > lighting back > then so they would move their tanks closer to the window (or cave opening) > or further away until they got it right. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there might be ;) > > Yes the article says that algae uses blue lights more than any other color > spectrum, and it also says that lumen's do not equate for plants, so the > comment I first posted is pointless, LOL. > We do need some other way to figure out the right spectrums/watts that we > need for plants though, I just don't think there's any simple way to > answer > it according to the site Steve pointed out (aquaticplantcental.com) > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > Those actinics will also give you LOTS of algae. I had to get rid of > > mine and switch to all white. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Amber, > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See http://www.aquaticp > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s> > > pectru > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s> > > pectru> > > m-photosythesis.html> > > lantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythesi > > s.html > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>>> com/78v82w > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to Bright > > light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > http://faq.thekrib. <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>>> > > com/plant-lighting.html > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just > > > a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > switches for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > > of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't > > > want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn > > > and dusk situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > > after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > > have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > > CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > > least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > > > CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles > > > > type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > > that would be OK. > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the > > rapid > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > > > researched this. > > This > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > > as you > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe > > > > you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > > how the surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > generator. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > > anyone already has the light by chance? > > > > http://www.marinede > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > pot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > > > <http://www.marinede > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > pot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > > how to > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > > it ;) > > I > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for > > > > the light fixture. > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, > > > > so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights with > > > > more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting should be > > > > plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it would be, and > > > > since most of the plants I will be getting will be > > suspended > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than > > > > the bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > > filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36106	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Don't you get "The Flintstones" up there on your tropical island? And if Dino happens to run off the treadmill, then Wilma and Betty get to take over while Barney and I drink our beers and watch the fish. LOL Fred The Fish Keeper -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) Now I'm imagining cave men with fish tanks, LOL. Now how would they filter these fish tanks? ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, there is a simple way... trial and error. ;-) Leave the lights on > for 10 hours a day and if things go well, leave it alone. If you start > getting too much algae, cut back to 9 hours a day, then 8 hours a day. > If you don't get algae and the plants aren't growing well, bump it up > to 11 hours a day and then 12 hours a day. That's how it's been done > for the past couple of thousand years or so... of course, they didn't > have electrical lighting back then so they would move their tanks > closer to the window (or cave opening) or further away until they got > it right. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > Yes the article says that algae uses blue lights more than any other > color spectrum, and it also says that lumen's do not equate for > plants, so the comment I first posted is pointless, LOL. > We do need some other way to figure out the right spectrums/watts that > we need for plants though, I just don't think there's any simple way > to answer it according to the site Steve pointed out > (aquaticplantcental.com) > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > Those actinics will also give you LOTS of algae. I had to get rid of > > mine and switch to all white. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Amber, > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See http://www.aquaticp > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > > > > pectru > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-s > > > > pectru> > > m-photosythesis.html> > > lantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spectrum-photosythe > > si > > s.html > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>>> com/78v82w > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > http://faq.thekrib. <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>>> > > com/plant-lighting.html > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > not find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you > > know, if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a > > train leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > > to matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > > just a bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 > > > separate switches for all of the different lights so I don't have > > > to use all of them at once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all > > > if I don't want ;). I was going to use the blue actinic lights to > > > simulate dawn and dusk situations (have them turn on just before > > > and turn off just after the main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > shelter the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > > have enough for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > > be great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup > > > uses CO2, I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does > > > at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > > > CFL lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles > > > > type sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > > that would be OK. > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the > > rapid > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > agitation that any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I > > > > haven't researched this. > > This > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > > > long > > as you > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > > > Maybe you should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions > > > > to see how the surface of the water reacts before spending money > > > > on a CO2 > generator. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > > anyone already has the light by chance? > > > > http://www.marinede > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > pot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > > > <http://www.marinede > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > pot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > > > and > > how to > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > > > about > > it ;) > > I > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > > > for the light fixture. > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > too, so I'm sure I could always replace the blue actinic lights > > > > with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 watts of CFL lighting > > > > should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I figured it > > > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be > > suspended > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > > > than the bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > > filter on it, cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36107	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Give our sympathies to the betta. And feel free to invite the roomies to join the group. Sometimes it helps when people learn things for themselves. : ) Thanks for trying. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: I can see I'm going to have to take pictures of the living room and post them online. You'll stop asking abuot that closet... Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@ yahoo.com> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice Why not ask them to live in a closet and not be able to come out except once a week when the take the buckets of waste material out? --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> wrote: > > Actually I had a talk with the housemate, and she insists on keeping the > fish in the current container because it's very secure. It does ahve a > small hole and tube in the center, but that doesn't look like much air to > me. She said she has a bigger container but she likes the little cup > better. Adn she insists on only changing water once a week. > > These people don't even understand the germ theory of disease, and there's > no scientific issue they don't have upside down and backwards, and there's > no talking to them. They know everything and I know nothing. They must > have had quite a childhood. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@... > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does > need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or > any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us > are designing for them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar > with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Groups Links > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36108	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just where, I'm not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not lumens, though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here we go, a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type of > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > light. > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec trum- > photosythesis.html > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe ctrum- > photosythesis.html> > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed > > where p = Low light plants 0.08 > > Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 > > Moderate to Bright light plants 0.18 > > Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > > > would be > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > the rapid > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > > > that > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > this. This > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > > as you > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > > > there > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > > > already > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > > how to > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > > it ;) I > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > > > light > > > > fixture. > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > fish/plants, but > > > > it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs too, so I'm sure I could > > > > always > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > > > watts > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > figured it > > > > would be, and since most of the plants I will be getting will be > > suspended > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > > > on it, > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36109	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Thanks \\Steve//. I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, it made me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the light is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's 10' or 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such fixtures but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an equal proportion due to the height difference? All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling lights or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just where, I'm not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not lumens, though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here we go, a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type of > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > light. > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec trum- > photosythesis.html > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe ctrum- > photosythesis.html> > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of plants. > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll not > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum to > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are just a > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate switches > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them at > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I was > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after the > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help shelter > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have enough > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would be > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses CO2, > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of CFL > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, that > > > > would be > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > the rapid > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface agitation > > > > that > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > this. This > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as long > > as you > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. Maybe you > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see how the > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 generator. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > > > > there > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if anyone > > > > already > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction and > > how to > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more about > > it ;) I > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search for the > > > > light > > > > fixture. > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > too, so I'm sure I could > > > > always > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I want. 2x65 > > > > watts > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > getting will be > > suspended > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light than the > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB filter > > > > on it, > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36110	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to going by watts to determine everything. I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so wish me luck ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, it made > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the light > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > 10' or > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > fixtures > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an equal > proportion due to the height difference? > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling lights > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there might be ;) > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > where, I'm > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > lumens, > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > we go, > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf.> > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > of > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > light. > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec> > trum- > > photosythesis.html > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe> > ctrum- > > photosythesis.html> > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > plants. > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > not > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > to > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > just a > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > switches > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > at > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > was > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > the > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > shelter > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > enough > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > be > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > CO2, > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > CFL > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > that > > > > > would be > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > the rapid > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > agitation > > > > > that > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > this. This > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > long > > > as you > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > Maybe you > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > how the > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > generator. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > > > > there > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > anyone > > > > > already > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > and > > > how to > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > about > > > it ;) I > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > for the > > > > > light > > > > > fixture. > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > could > > > > > always > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > want. 2x65 > > > > > watts > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > getting will be > > > suspended > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > than the > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > filter > > > > > on it, > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question

If you value your dog as much as you value yourself, you should not use this initial run of water from your hot water heater (regardless of the temperature) as drinking water for the dog, anymore than you should use this as drinking water for yourself or for use in your aquarium. It is always recommended to first run this water out of your water heater if it's going to be used for drinking or for your fish tank. There are minerals (some harmful) that build up in the hot water heater between uses, which will be concentrated at the beginning of drawing it. For this reason, it's always suggested to first clear this out if you're going to drink this source. If you're meaning that there is a meter of sorts on the outflow to the septic tank, as it appears you're saying, just divert the old aquarium water to the garden or lawn by a hose instead of allowing it to go down the drain. This is easily accomplished with a small utility pump and a pair of garden hoses that attach to it, that can be found at any Home Depot or Loews. Whether or not this would be advantageous to you, I don't know, but in any event for those hobbyists who's tanks are lower than their drains, this may be the solution to that problem. Flotec (which also makes sump pumps) is one pump brand that's often used for this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Murphy" <trinityfarms@...> wrote: > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > > > Laurie > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36112	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Let's use the 1200 lumen light that is used as an example in the article. Remember that lumen is the measurement of the quanta of light--the quantity of light produced by the source. You have a 2 meter square area that is covered by the light. Lux is the measurement of lumens reaching a defined area measured as square meters. This would mean we have 600 lux. It does not matter if the source is 10 meters above the surface or 1 meter above the surface so long as the surface area does not change. So we have a 1200 lumen source covering 2 square meters, thus giving us 600 lux. If we bump up the surface area to 4 square meters, and the source remains at 1200 lumen, we now have a measurement of 300 lux. Now, let's take an aquarium scenario. I looked up gro-lux fluorescents on the Osram site. It just so happens they have an aquarium gro-lux T12 fluorescent lamp the puts out 1200 lumens--what a coincidence! This is a bulb you may use over your 55 gallon tank. At the Glass Cages site, they list their 55 gallon as being 48" long and 12.5" wide which gives us 600 square inches of surface area (we will dispense with the actual interior measurements at this time, just for the example) which converts to 0.387096 square meters, giving us 3100.0062000124000248000496000992 lux--you can round that off to 3100 lux. Note that the article we are using as source material here states that "sunlight on an average day ranges from 32 000 to 100 000 lux". Also note that the 1200 lumen figure given by Osram is a starting number, and the actual lumen produced will decline over time. Yet another factor we have not considered is that a certain amount of the light will be reflected off the surface of the water, so one will not be getting the full effect of the 1200 lumen we started out with in this example. I do recall seeing at least one article about using a light meter to determine the lux your tank is receiving, If no one has come up with it by this evening, I'll try to locate it, and post a link to it, if it is available online, else, I'll need to condense it for posting. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, it made > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the light > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's 10' or > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such fixtures > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an equal > proportion due to the height difference? > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling lights > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions > there might be ;) > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just where, I'm > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not lumens, > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here we go, > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > of > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > light. > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > trum- > > photosythesis.html > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > ctrum- > > photosythesis.html> > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > plants. > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > not > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > to > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > just a > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > switches > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > at > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > was > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > the > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > shelter > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > enough > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > be > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > CO2, > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > CFL > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > that > > > > > would be > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > the rapid > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > agitation > > > > > that > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > this. This > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > long > > > as you > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > Maybe you > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > how the > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > generator. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > > > > there > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > anyone > > > > > already > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > and > > > how to > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > about > > > it ;) I > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > for the > > > > > light > > > > > fixture. > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > could > > > > > always > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > want. 2x65 > > > > > watts > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > getting will be > > > suspended > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > than the > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > filter > > > > > on it, > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36113	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold

Dora, I found and replied to your email (and photos). You may forward it in whole or in part, to the Group, if you wish. As I stated, my best speculation on this (without the aid of a microscope) in my limited capacity to pin point it better is that it's probably a species of Peronospora, a Fungal parasite of aquatic plants, rather than a Saprolegnia growing on excess dead organic matter (fish food) from appearances of the photos. This Genus of Fungi, similar to Saprolegnia, Lagendia and Aphanomyces, is an Oomycete, growing hyphae (filaments) to which hooks are attached in pathogenic species. It acts similarly to what Saprolegnia paracitica does on fish when that pathogen takes advantage of the opportunity of a bacterial infection in fish, causing further dead tissue and feeding upon it. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Raymond, speaking of missing e-mails, I sent you one privately a short time > ago, with some photos, I just want to make sure you know to look out for it. > In my experience it could hide out in a distant corner of your mailbox. I > was specifically hoping you could shed whatever light your expertise on > aquarium molds can shed on it. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold > > > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. > Is > > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > all > > the time in water. > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > quite > > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > and > > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > to be > > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > attracted > > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > their > > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > as an > > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > rising > > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > have > > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > contact > > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > unheard of > > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time > in > > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated > by > > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > solid > > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > manufacture > > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > > environment. > > > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > or > > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you > want > > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > resist > > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > maybe > > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > would > > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it > as it > > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up > of > > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > on > > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > aquarium > > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > While I > > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > that > > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > opportunity > > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > too > > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > you're > > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > need to > > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > below. > > > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > seemingly > > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > to > > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > Just as > > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > not > > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > molded > > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > live > > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > issues are > > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > > > connections. > > > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > aquatic > > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > separated > > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > being > > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > Hyphae) > > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony- like > > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > food > > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > declina is > > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > upon > > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > best > > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > remain > > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > its > > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > wounds > > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > invaded > > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > last few > > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did > so > > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > > >> stone.... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36114	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than $5 at almost any LFS. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on > the vile and shook it-------------the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? >   > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? >  Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36115	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

That's a tough call, even though I'd tend to agree with you. Out of curiousity, I just did a Search on Continental United States. The first reply, Wiki, said "Sometimes refers to the 48 contiguous states located on the North American continent." Yet the next reply, ALSO WIKI, said "The Continental United States comprises the 48 plus Alaska." Go figure that, I know you said Wiki is not always accurate (although you didn't say it was conflicting - LOL). Another reply said "The territory of the United States that is within North America between Canada and Mexico." Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers also > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can > pick it up at the FedEx main office. > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction > went for (75.57). > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi? fwcatfishl&1232417838 > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > Amber > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > >> > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > >> > >> Amber > >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36116	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

There are screen tops made for aquariums, used for reptile, gerbils and the like, which would probably help in promoting less stress for the owner feeling comforted that their fish won't "suffocate" than it really will help the fish. There is always a good pocket of air between the surface and any such cover, which has more than enough oxygen to maintain a fish for up to a year even if sealed, depending on the water level. As hopefully the fish will be fed at least once a day (once every two days?), air will be exchanged every time the cover is removed. As this is a Betta, it will be able to breath directly from this air column. When breeding Bettas, its usually best to keep the tank "tightly" covered to help maintain a more humid condition, aiding in the endurance of their bubble nest. Keeping a more humid atmosphere via a tightly fitting solid cover is ESSENTIAL for Bettas when rearing them, as they first develop their labyrinth apparatus at about 6 weeks. While a filter or airstone is a luxury for us in being able to maintain fish more easily, there was a time in the beginning of the hobby when such luxuries were unheard of and tank maintenance consisted of drawing off the fish waste and residue/mulm (as we now do in cleaning the gravel), and changing out water. Tanks were stocked accordingly, taking into account the fishes' gas exchange needs for an uncirculating surface -- which is still the safest method today to base stocking levels at when confronted (as will be inevitable at some point) with a power outage. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us are designing for them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36117	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

I've seen this condition but very rarely. I won't go into the fact that your tank is too small, as that has already been pointed out more than once, although I'd be curious to know how what size this fish has attained. Whatever its size presently, it's doubtful it would grow any more now at two years of age but this should still not prevent it from being housed in something bigger. Getting back to the issue at hand, as it is so rare, it's difficult to really determine its cause, and with that, difficult to say what to do for it. If it were genetic, it would seem that it would be observed even as a juvenile. As this is apparently spontaneous (or you wouldn't be suddenly concerned, otherwise), it should be known that fish are not immune to strokes just as are people. Its possible this may be the cause. I would have to say the involvement of a pathogen is remote and would extremely doubt that possibility in this case, although I would still like to know what is meant by "the water is good;" that doesn't say very much for the parameters. I don't see where this is "treatable" with a medication. As the fish has only the benefit of obtaining oxygen primarily through the membranes of one gill, I would certainly not have the temperature at an unnecessary 84 o. An even temperature of around 77 o is more than adequate, yet plenty high enough to maintain a good immune system. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave H." <mrdavesmagic2003@...> wrote: > > Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan.  I'm also new here, and need help!! > I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May.  I have been > enjoying her for a long time.  Yesterday, I noticed that one of her > gills isn't moving.  She has been breathing with her right gill, but > not both.  She is moving around like nothing has happened.  Does anyone > know why or what have caused this issue to happen?  I would NOT want to > lose my Angelfish.  She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a > personality!!  Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a > heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good.  Any suggestions?? > Thanks in advance!!! Dave > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36118	From: bill1433	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. If the pH has issues I�m wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.� Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. � More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with what could be obtained from another kit. �It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.� But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. � Bill --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than $5 at almost any LFS. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > strange about it. �When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!� Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? > � > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.� When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!� Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? > �Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36119	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

Most places that use the "continental U.S" mean without Alaska, but I checked with him to make sure and he said I get free shipping, so I won't argue with that. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > That's a tough call, even though I'd tend to agree with you. Out of > curiousity, I just did a Search on Continental United States. The > first reply, Wiki, said "Sometimes refers to the 48 contiguous states > located on the North American continent." Yet the next reply, ALSO > WIKI, said "The Continental United States comprises the 48 plus > Alaska." Go figure that, I know you said Wiki is not always accurate > (although you didn't say it was conflicting - LOL). Another reply > said "The territory of the United States that is within North America > between Canada and Mexico." Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do > sellers also > > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so > hopefully it > > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an > email > > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so > you can > > pick it up at the FedEx main office. > > > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... > as long > > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last > auction > > went for (75.57). > > > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi? > <http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?> > fwcatfishl&1232417838 > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of > stuff in > > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could > switch out > > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't > need > > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > > >> > > >> _____ > > >> > > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project > thoughts > > >> > > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae > tank? > > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I > could try > > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, > but > > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine > to get > > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just > not > > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually > overcast > > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > > >> > > >> Amber > > >> > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36120	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

One day, I'm going to join Wikipedia and start correcting things when I see them but there's only so much time. At least Wikipedia is peer-reviewed and they do have a minimum set of standards, but you'll often see the political slant in the information provided... usually slanting to the left... of course, that's pretty typical of most mainstream media. Maybe Robert Murdoch needs to start up FoxiPedia. ;-) What's even worse than Wikipedia is the newer Yahoo Answers and the other "Answers" formats out there, including WikiAnswers. I saw one the other day, that showed up in another search I was doing, where there was only one answer for "How many ounces equal ml?" and the answer was "355ml".. HUH???? I just Googled it again and here it is... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_ounces_equal_ml so if anyone is a member of wiki.answers.com, please go answer that one correctly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) That's a tough call, even though I'd tend to agree with you. Out of curiousity, I just did a Search on Continental United States. The first reply, Wiki, said "Sometimes refers to the 48 contiguous states located on the North American continent." Yet the next reply, ALSO WIKI, said "The Continental United States comprises the 48 plus Alaska." Go figure that, I know you said Wiki is not always accurate (although you didn't say it was conflicting - LOL). Another reply said "The territory of the United States that is within North America between Canada and Mexico." Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers also > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can > pick it up at the FedEx main office. > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction > went for (75.57). > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi? fwcatfishl&1232417838 > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > Amber > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > >> > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > >> > >> Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36121	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Hello and question about my fish

Thanks for your help Ray and everyone else.  I do appreciate the feedback, Will try the lower temprature first, and there are 7 small tetras in the tank as well with 4 artificial plants.  She has been swimming around the tank with no problem for quite a while.  You all are the best!!  Thanks again! Dave --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hello and question about my fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:43 AM I've seen this condition but very rarely. I won't go into the fact that your tank is too small, as that has already been pointed out more than once, although I'd be curious to know how what size this fish has attained. Whatever its size presently, it's doubtful it would grow any more now at two years of age but this should still not prevent it from being housed in something bigger. Getting back to the issue at hand, as it is so rare, it's difficult to really determine its cause, and with that, difficult to say what to do for it. If it were genetic, it would seem that it would be observed even as a juvenile. As this is apparently spontaneous (or you wouldn't be suddenly concerned, otherwise), it should be known that fish are not immune to strokes just as are people. Its possible this may be the cause. I would have to say the involvement of a pathogen is remote and would extremely doubt that possibility in this case, although I would still like to know what is meant by "the water is good;" that doesn't say very much for the parameters. I don't see where this is "treatable" with a medication. As the fish has only the benefit of obtaining oxygen primarily through the membranes of one gill, I would certainly not have the temperature at an unnecessary 84 o. An even temperature of around 77 o is more than adequate, yet plenty high enough to maintain a good immune system. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave H." <mrdavesmagic2003@...> wrote: > > Hello, My name is David, I'm from Michigan.  I'm also new here, and need help!! > I had my Angelfish for almost 2 years in May.  I have been > enjoying her for a long time.  Yesterday, I noticed that one of her > gills isn't moving.  She has been breathing with her right gill, but > not both.  She is moving around like nothing has happened.  Does anyone > know why or what have caused this issue to happen?  I would NOT want to > lose my Angelfish.  She is a lot of fun to watch and she has quite a > personality!!  Hope you can help me!! I have a 10 gallon tank, with a > heater on betweet 76 to 84 degrees, water is good.  Any suggestions?? > Thanks in advance!!! Dave > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36122	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

I would drink the water myself, it just that the jugs I keep in the bathtub aren’t that clean – dust, whatever – now the dogs drink out of who knows what when they are outside, so I’m thinking they won’t mind a little dust. J The water is actually from the pipes under the house and it’s just cold. When I’m waiting for hot water in the kitchen, I fill up their dish or our water bottles. The only reason I run it is to get to the hot water for the shower. Our septic tank would love anything we’d add – we are in a very sandy area and have great drainage. But we have a cistern and have to haul in water. It’s become one of those principle things. I left more than a gallon “waste” when I’m in the kitchen, but just watching it go down the drain while I’m waiting for hot water bugs me. Kinda like when I wouldn’t make a phone call until the cheap(er) times with ole ma bell. Does that age me or what? That said now for the mineral build up. Assuming I don’t get to the “concentrated portion” until I get to hot water (the rest being what’s resting in the pipes), should I let the hot water run a bit before using the water as fish water? I’m not as concerned about myself or the dogs, we just drink it, we don’t LIVE in it, than I am for the fish. Thanks for the advice – I am learning a great deal from the list. It’s been years since my tanks were set up and never in this area. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question If you value your dog as much as you value yourself, you should not use this initial run of water from your hot water heater (regardless of the temperature) as drinking water for the dog, anymore than you should use this as drinking water for yourself or for use in your aquarium. It is always recommended to first run this water out of your water heater if it's going to be used for drinking or for your fish tank. There are minerals (some harmful) that build up in the hot water heater between uses, which will be concentrated at the beginning of drawing it. For this reason, it's always suggested to first clear this out if you're going to drink this source. If you're meaning that there is a meter of sorts on the outflow to the septic tank, as it appears you're saying, just divert the old aquarium water to the garden or lawn by a hose instead of allowing it to go down the drain. This is easily accomplished with a small utility pump and a pair of garden hoses that attach to it, that can be found at any Home Depot or Loews. Whether or not this would be advantageous to you, I don't know, but in any event for those hobbyists who's tanks are lower than their drains, this may be the solution to that problem. Flotec (which also makes sump pumps) is one pump brand that's often used for this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Laurie Murphy" <trinityfarms@...> wrote: > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > > > Laurie > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36123	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

While this may sound far-fetched (I'm probably thinking too hard to come up with a reason for this difference), maybe, just maybe, Tetra does not say to shake the vial because they know these caps have something in the plastic that's very basic. Try putting a small piece of plastic wrap over the opening of the vial and then your finger to hold it, then shake it. See if the results are any different. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. > If the pH has issues I'm wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.  Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. >   > More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be > to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with > what could be obtained from another kit.  It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.  But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. >   > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue > build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the > possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking > the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in > cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak > in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. > > As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at > least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit > which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't > make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice > that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than > $5 at almost any LFS. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put > the cap on > > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > >   > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this > kit? > >  Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36124	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

If you haul water in, I can not imagine that you would use the Python, as it is a great water waster! So it would behoove you to just take cold water, and let it sit in buckets to warm to room temp, (summer time), or use a aquarium heater to heat it to tank temp. Then use that to replace the water in the tank, PWC. This method solves the mineral issue, the water waste issue, and the heater issue. If the buckets are too heavy to pour in you can always use a pitcher to bail the water out and add to tank till the bucket is at a more manageable weight. On 1/21/09, Laurie Murphy <trinityfarms@...> wrote: > > I would drink the water myself, it just that the jugs I keep in the > bathtub > aren't that clean � dust, whatever � now the dogs drink out of who knows > what when they are outside, so I'm thinking they won't mind a little dust. > J > The water is actually from the pipes under the house and it's just cold. > When I'm waiting for hot water in the kitchen, I fill up their dish or our > water bottles. The only reason I run it is to get to the hot water for the > shower. Our septic tank would love anything we'd add � we are in a very > sandy area and have great drainage. But we have a cistern and have to haul > in water. It's become one of those principle things. I left more than a > gallon "waste" when I'm in the kitchen, but just watching it go down the > drain while I'm waiting for hot water bugs me. Kinda like when I wouldn't > make a phone call until the cheap(er) times with ole ma bell. Does that age > me or what? > > That said�now for the mineral build up. Assuming I don't get to the > "concentrated portion" until I get to hot water (the rest being what's > resting in the pipes), should I let the hot water run a bit before using > the > water as fish water? I'm not as concerned about myself or the dogs, we just > drink it, we don't LIVE in it, than I am for the fish. > > Thanks for the advice � I am learning a great deal from the list. It's been > years since my tanks were set up and never in this area. > > Laurie > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:12 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question > > If you value your dog as much as you value yourself, you should not > use this initial run of water from your hot water heater (regardless > of the temperature) as drinking water for the dog, anymore than you > should use this as drinking water for yourself or for use in your > aquarium. It is always recommended to first run this water out of > your water heater if it's going to be used for drinking or for your > fish tank. There are minerals (some harmful) that build up in the > hot water heater between uses, which will be concentrated at the > beginning of drawing it. For this reason, it's always suggested to > first clear this out if you're going to drink this source. > > If you're meaning that there is a meter of sorts on the outflow to > the septic tank, as it appears you're saying, just divert the old > aquarium water to the garden or lawn by a hose instead of allowing it > to go down the drain. This is easily accomplished with a small > utility pump and a pair of garden hoses that attach to it, that can > be found at any Home Depot or Loews. > > Whether or not this would be advantageous to you, I don't know, but > in any event for those hobbyists who's tanks are lower than their > drains, this may be the solution to that problem. Flotec (which also > makes sump pumps) is one pump brand that's often used for this. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> , > "Laurie Murphy" > <trinityfarms@...> wrote: > > > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water > trucked into a > > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the > drain (to the > > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far > end of the > > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or > whatever so > > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot > water > > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's > the > > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it > seemed like > > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or > something. It's > > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > > > > > > > Laurie > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] > On > > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > recyclable > > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' > are > > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural > cycle of > > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), > water... > > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36125	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

After thoughts, where do you haul water from? I imagine it would be radically different from the rain water that goes into the cistern normally. Anyone with any thoughts on that? I would think the hardness and PH would vary quite a bit, or at least could... On 1/21/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > If you haul water in, I can not imagine that you would use the Python, as > it is a great water waster! So it would behoove you to just take cold > water, and let it sit in buckets to warm to room temp, (summer time), or use > a aquarium heater to heat it to tank temp. Then use that to replace the > water in the tank, PWC. This method solves the mineral issue, the water > waste issue, and the heater issue. If the buckets are too heavy to pour in > you can always use a pitcher to bail the water out and add to tank till the > bucket is at a more manageable weight. > > On 1/21/09, Laurie Murphy <trinityfarms@...> wrote: >> >> I would drink the water myself, it just that the jugs I keep in the >> bathtub >> aren't that clean � dust, whatever � now the dogs drink out of who knows >> what when they are outside, so I'm thinking they won't mind a little dust. >> J >> The water is actually from the pipes under the house and it's just cold. >> When I'm waiting for hot water in the kitchen, I fill up their dish or our >> water bottles. The only reason I run it is to get to the hot water for the >> shower. Our septic tank would love anything we'd add � we are in a very >> sandy area and have great drainage. But we have a cistern and have to haul >> in water. It's become one of those principle things. I left more than a >> gallon "waste" when I'm in the kitchen, but just watching it go down the >> drain while I'm waiting for hot water bugs me. Kinda like when I wouldn't >> make a phone call until the cheap(er) times with ole ma bell. Does that >> age >> me or what? >> >> That said�now for the mineral build up. Assuming I don't get to the >> "concentrated portion" until I get to hot water (the rest being what's >> resting in the pipes), should I let the hot water run a bit before using >> the >> water as fish water? I'm not as concerned about myself or the dogs, we >> just >> drink it, we don't LIVE in it, than I am for the fish. >> >> Thanks for the advice � I am learning a great deal from the list. It's >> been >> years since my tanks were set up and never in this area. >> >> Laurie >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: >> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:12 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question >> >> If you value your dog as much as you value yourself, you should not >> use this initial run of water from your hot water heater (regardless >> of the temperature) as drinking water for the dog, anymore than you >> should use this as drinking water for yourself or for use in your >> aquarium. It is always recommended to first run this water out of >> your water heater if it's going to be used for drinking or for your >> fish tank. There are minerals (some harmful) that build up in the >> hot water heater between uses, which will be concentrated at the >> beginning of drawing it. For this reason, it's always suggested to >> first clear this out if you're going to drink this source. >> >> If you're meaning that there is a meter of sorts on the outflow to >> the septic tank, as it appears you're saying, just divert the old >> aquarium water to the garden or lawn by a hose instead of allowing it >> to go down the drain. This is easily accomplished with a small >> utility pump and a pair of garden hoses that attach to it, that can >> be found at any Home Depot or Loews. >> >> Whether or not this would be advantageous to you, I don't know, but >> in any event for those hobbyists who's tanks are lower than their >> drains, this may be the solution to that problem. Flotec (which also >> makes sump pumps) is one pump brand that's often used for this. Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> , >> "Laurie Murphy" >> <trinityfarms@...> wrote: >> > >> > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water >> trucked into a >> > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the >> drain (to the >> > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far >> end of the >> > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or >> whatever so >> > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot >> water >> > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's >> the >> > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it >> seemed like >> > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or >> something. It's >> > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. >> > >> > >> > >> > Laurie >> > >> > >> > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] >> On >> > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question >> > >> > >> > >> > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in >> recyclable >> > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your >> > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' >> are >> > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural >> cycle of >> > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), >> water... >> > and the cycle continues. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36126	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

Bill, Did you see my previous post where I typed out the instructions that are in my T-L kit where it does say to shake it? I've used the T-L kit and the API kit for a number of years and they give consistent readings as long as the instructions are followed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. If the pH has issues I’m wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.  Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained.   More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with what could be obtained from another kit.  It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.  But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place.   Bill --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than $5 at almost any LFS. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? >   > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this kit? >  Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36127	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Feeding fish while away from home

Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance  3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. Suggestions please.....? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36128	From: Leanna	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Fishtank Bamboo

Anna here i just planted bamboo in my tank!!!!!!! my tank is an asin theam so im very exsited. any tips for keeping it helthy?? fertializors, pruning tips i have never had real plants in my tank so any tips would be welcome. also i have some light alge growing on some of my decorations. any tips for keeping that under controle? and could it be cawsed by feeding my cory cat to many alge wafors?? just wondering thanks much!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36129	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

I live down in the burbs of New Orleans so we do not get a lot of cold weather but I've always tried to avoid using ANY hot water when refilling my tanks. The problems, as Ray has pointed out and more simply as I will also reiterate is that water, while sitting in a hot water heater, is being changed from the original chemistry of the cold water due to the heating of it. If you look at your hot water heater, you'll see a garden hose fitting on the bottom and a valve. The reason for this is so you can drain a few gallons of water out of your hot water heater every year to remove the sludge that will build up in the bottom of a hot water heater. This "sludge" is actually the various chemicals, minerals, nutrients, etc., that was in the water but then during the boiling/heating/distilling of the water in the hot water heater, these solids came out of solution and settled on the bottom of the hot water heater. While you might think this is good, it actually means a lot of the good stuff like minerals and carbonates that sustain the GH and KH levels in our tanks are no longer in the hot water. Also, as Ray stated, these can sometimes be "stirred" up when the hot water heater is refilled (automatically each times it's used) and the sediment could get into the intake causing a higher than normal level of some of these various chemicals. Now all that said, 99% of the time, these will not cause problems for us since we usually do not drink hot water and use it for cleaning/bathing but if using it for drinking or for the fish, it would best to run it for a while to have a better chance of it running clear before using any for consumable purposes or for the fish. During the winter, when I do have colder water flowing through my cold water pipes, I usually just refill my tanks very slowly (a 1/4" trickle) using my Python and then the tank's heater comes on and keeps the tank at a consistent temperature even though I may be adding much cooler water. During the summer, when the "cold" water can be up in the high 80's F, I also refill the tank slowly so that the aeration by the filters will cool off the water. I have one of them little stick-on temperature gauges on my tanks so I can see if the temp is rising or lowering more than 1-2F and then I can stop the refilling process or slow it up even more if this starts to happen. This is another reason to limit PWC's to no more than 25% at a time so that you do not change the water parameters too much, too fast. When doing large PWC's, it's very important to make sure that the incoming water have almost identical parameters to the tank water to avoid shock and/or osmoregulatory stress issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question NOW hot water I would drink the water myself, it just that the jugs I keep in the bathtub aren’t that clean – dust, whatever – now the dogs drink out of who knows what when they are outside, so I’m thinking they won’t mind a little dust. J The water is actually from the pipes under the house and it’s just cold. When I’m waiting for hot water in the kitchen, I fill up their dish or our water bottles. The only reason I run it is to get to the hot water for the shower. Our septic tank would love anything we’d add – we are in a very sandy area and have great drainage. But we have a cistern and have to haul in water. It’s become one of those principle things. I left more than a gallon “waste” when I’m in the kitchen, but just watching it go down the drain while I’m waiting for hot water bugs me. Kinda like when I wouldn’t make a phone call until the cheap(er) times with ole ma bell. Does that age me or what? That said now for the mineral build up. Assuming I don’t get to the “concentrated portion” until I get to hot water (the rest being what’s resting in the pipes), should I let the hot water run a bit before using the water as fish water? I’m not as concerned about myself or the dogs, we just drink it, we don’t LIVE in it, than I am for the fish. Thanks for the advice – I am learning a great deal from the list. It’s been years since my tanks were set up and never in this area. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question If you value your dog as much as you value yourself, you should not use this initial run of water from your hot water heater (regardless of the temperature) as drinking water for the dog, anymore than you should use this as drinking water for yourself or for use in your aquarium. It is always recommended to first run this water out of your water heater if it's going to be used for drinking or for your fish tank. There are minerals (some harmful) that build up in the hot water heater between uses, which will be concentrated at the beginning of drawing it. For this reason, it's always suggested to first clear this out if you're going to drink this source. If you're meaning that there is a meter of sorts on the outflow to the septic tank, as it appears you're saying, just divert the old aquarium water to the garden or lawn by a hose instead of allowing it to go down the drain. This is easily accomplished with a small utility pump and a pair of garden hoses that attach to it, that can be found at any Home Depot or Loews. Whether or not this would be advantageous to you, I don't know, but in any event for those hobbyists who's tanks are lower than their drains, this may be the solution to that problem. Flotec (which also makes sump pumps) is one pump brand that's often used for this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Laurie Murphy" <trinityfarms@...> wrote: > > Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked into a > cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the drain (to the > septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at the far end of the > house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs or plants or whatever so > we don't waste the water before the hot gets to us from the hot water > heater. I remember something similar to the python (actually it's the > attachment to the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like > it "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. It's > been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > > > > Laurie > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > > > > There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in recyclable > products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC with your > Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where the TDS' are > removed and the water is eventually is put back into the natural cycle of > water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation (rain/snow), water... > and the cycle continues. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36130	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

My Tetra-Laborette test kit does say to SHAKE the vial gently. I'm not sure if my previous messages are making it to Bill and Ray but they sure don't seem to be. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett While this may sound far-fetched (I'm probably thinking too hard to come up with a reason for this difference), maybe, just maybe, Tetra does not say to shake the vial because they know these caps have something in the plastic that's very basic. Try putting a small piece of plastic wrap over the opening of the vial and then your finger to hold it, then shake it. See if the results are any different. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. > If the pH has issues I'm wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.  Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. >   > More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be > to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with > what could be obtained from another kit.  It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.  But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. >   > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue > build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the > possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking > the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in > cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak > in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. > > As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at > least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit > which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't > make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice > that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than > $5 at almost any LFS. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put > the cap on > > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > >   > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this > kit? > >  Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36131	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: UV sterilizer

do they work? is green water really a result of free floating algea and will the uv sterilizer filter whatever it's called really solve the problem, been having a problem with green water and never experienced it befire si it's new to me

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36132	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance  3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. Suggestions please.....?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36133	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Yup. I've no idea what she means by the cup is very secure. She herself feels most secure in a cramped cluttered dirty space with every door and window locked and every blind closed, and the thermostat on 80! I'm surmising that her childhood was an adventure. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice There are screen tops made for aquariums, used for reptile, gerbils and the like, which would probably help in promoting less stress for the owner feeling comforted that their fish won't "suffocate" than it really will help the fish. There is always a good pocket of air between the surface and any such cover, which has more than enough oxygen to maintain a fish for up to a year even if sealed, depending on the water level. As hopefully the fish will be fed at least once a day (once every two days?), air will be exchanged every time the cover is removed. As this is a Betta, it will be able to breath directly from this air column. When breeding Bettas, its usually best to keep the tank "tightly" covered to help maintain a more humid condition, aiding in the endurance of their bubble nest. Keeping a more humid atmosphere via a tightly fitting solid cover is ESSENTIAL for Bettas when rearing them, as they first develop their labyrinth apparatus at about 6 weeks. While a filter or airstone is a luxury for us in being able to maintain fish more easily, there was a time in the beginning of the hobby when such luxuries were unheard of and tank maintenance consisted of drawing off the fish waste and residue/mulm (as we now do in cleaning the gravel), and changing out water. Tanks were stocked accordingly, taking into account the fishes' gas exchange needs for an uncirculating surface -- which is still the safest method today to base stocking levels at when confronted (as will be inevitable at some point) with a power outage. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen would work? > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup all of us are designing for them. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a pint jar with a > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their too- > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference between > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe (hopefully) > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 gallon > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, even > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > upgrade. Or the > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > the fake > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then when > > your > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > you > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak them > > in a > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > first. > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate inside > > the > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > probably a > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All of > > their > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > area. > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > gave them > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > wonderful > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface as a > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are often > > low in > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live like > > that in > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > filtration > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep their > > Bettas in > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away for > > a week on > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > know how the > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I try, > > I get > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > guess. > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at teh > > bottom of > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > worms. > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > Lives on top > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > housemates > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > than fresh > > > air. > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change about > > 50 ml of > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > ppm. Maybe > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time all > > day. I > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > water when I > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > Water > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta seems > > much > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > really > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > little > > > dried worms. > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of the > > ages > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls from > > the > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > water change > > > once a week. > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why bettas > > must be > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > decorations? > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > this one > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36134	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold

Thanks, Raymond, I'll look out for the other e-mail - probably at teh bottom of my mailbox. One thing, though, she said all her plants are plastic adn silk, except for one moss ball. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold Dora, I found and replied to your email (and photos). You may forward it in whole or in part, to the Group, if you wish. As I stated, my best speculation on this (without the aid of a microscope) in my limited capacity to pin point it better is that it's probably a species of Peronospora, a Fungal parasite of aquatic plants, rather than a Saprolegnia growing on excess dead organic matter (fish food) from appearances of the photos. This Genus of Fungi, similar to Saprolegnia, Lagendia and Aphanomyces, is an Oomycete, growing hyphae (filaments) to which hooks are attached in pathogenic species. It acts similarly to what Saprolegnia paracitica does on fish when that pathogen takes advantage of the opportunity of a bacterial infection in fish, causing further dead tissue and feeding upon it. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Raymond, speaking of missing e-mails, I sent you one privately a short time > ago, with some photos, I just want to make sure you know to look out for it. > In my experience it could hide out in a distant corner of your mailbox. I > was specifically hoping you could shed whatever light your expertise on > aquarium molds can shed on it. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold > > > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get home. > Is > > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > all > > the time in water. > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > quite > > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed out, > > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > and > > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > to be > > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > attracted > > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > their > > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > as an > > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > rising > > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > have > > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > contact > > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > unheard of > > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over time > in > > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being contaminated > by > > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > solid > > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > manufacture > > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > > environment. > > > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > or > > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid this > > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, you > want > > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > resist > > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > maybe > > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > would > > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace it > as it > > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make up > of > > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > on > > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > aquarium > > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your water > > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > While I > > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > that > > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of the > > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish as > > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > opportunity > > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > too > > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > you're > > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > need to > > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > below. > > > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > seemingly > > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > to > > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > Just as > > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > not > > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi to > > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > molded > > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > live > > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > issues are > > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to such > > > connections. > > > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are definite > > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > aquatic > > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > separated > > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > being > > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > Hyphae) > > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony- like > > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > food > > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > declina is > > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and s. > > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can or > > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > upon > > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > best > > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > remain > > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > its > > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > wounds > > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > invaded > > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > last few > > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it did > so > > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a paper > > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > > >> stone.... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36135	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

The cistern is only filled by the water hauling company. It is enclosed, no rain water. We are on a lava flow and wells in our area are usually about $25,000. The city water company pipes water to within a mile south of us and a mile and a half north. Our little stretch of road has no access and not enough houses (potential users) for them to justify connecting the two. When we moved it, it was in their "five year plan" to do so, so when we dug the ditch for power, we laid water line also, so we would be able to hook up when they came by. That was 10 years ago. Having the water hauled in isn't so bad. We just need to remember to check the water level frequently. When we forget (usually after 11:00 on Friday) and have to conserve or (as has happened a few times) run out over the weekend, it's a pain. But I feel blessed anyway, as except for the inconvenience and the cost, we have access to water without restrictions. For the lawn and pastures we irrigate with river water. I wouldn't want to use that in an aquarium - too many mini-critters could be in there. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question NOW hot water After thoughts, where do you haul water from? I imagine it would be radically different from the rain water that goes into the cistern normally. Anyone with any thoughts on that? I would think the hardness and PH would vary quite a bit, or at least could...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36136	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold

Well, that certainly changes things doesn't it??? Now, do you see what I mean when I sent you in an off line message, that I can only determine just so much from the photos, and they're not as if I'm right there to view the tank live? Little did I know that the plants were plastic, as I had absolutely no way of knowing, and you neglected to fill me in on that little detail. How did you expect me to make an accurate diagnosis? This leads us back to either this Fungus is colonizing excess fish food that has landed on these dead plants, or on a film of Algae which may be too thin to view live and certainly not observable in a photo. As I said, if it can be determined that there is any Algae on these plastic plants, it's likely a Lagendia species of Fungus (if there's Algae available) is responsible -- but again, this is only speculation based on the best possibility since no one can tell much from a photo. The missing part of the "equation" is why this Fungus is only growing on the plastic plants and not on the substrate. If excess fish food is involved, isn't it also sinking down to the gravel? That's an observation, not a question. You would need someone to actually check out this aquarium live to be able to tell you anything definite. It could be something as simple as the composition of these plastic plants encouraging a Fungal growth. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > One thing, though, she said all her plants are plastic adn silk, except for > one moss ball. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold > > > Dora, I found and replied to your email (and photos). You may > forward it in whole or in part, to the Group, if you wish. As I > stated, my best speculation on this (without the aid of a microscope) > in my limited capacity to pin point it better is that it's probably a > species of Peronospora, a Fungal parasite of aquatic plants, rather > than a Saprolegnia growing on excess dead organic matter (fish food) > from appearances of the photos. This Genus of Fungi, similar to > Saprolegnia, Lagendia and Aphanomyces, is an Oomycete, growing hyphae > (filaments) to which hooks are attached in pathogenic species. It > acts similarly to what Saprolegnia paracitica does on fish when that > pathogen takes advantage of the opportunity of a bacterial infection > in fish, causing further dead tissue and feeding upon it. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > wrote: > > > > Raymond, speaking of missing e-mails, I sent you one privately a > short time > > ago, with some photos, I just want to make sure you know to look > out for it. > > In my experience it could hide out in a distant corner of your > mailbox. I > > was specifically hoping you could shed whatever light your > expertise on > > aquarium molds can shed on it. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold > > > > > > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get > home. > > Is > > > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > > > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > > all > > > the time in water. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > > quite > > > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed > out, > > > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > > and > > > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > > to be > > > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > > attracted > > > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > > their > > > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > > as an > > > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > > rising > > > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > > have > > > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > > contact > > > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > > unheard of > > > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over > time > > in > > > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being > contaminated > > by > > > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > > solid > > > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > > manufacture > > > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > > or > > > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid > this > > > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, > you > > want > > > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > > resist > > > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > > maybe > > > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > > would > > > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace > it > > as it > > > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make > up > > of > > > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > > on > > > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > > aquarium > > > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your > water > > > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > > While I > > > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > > that > > > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of > the > > > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish > as > > > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > > opportunity > > > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > > too > > > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > > you're > > > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > > need to > > > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > > below. > > > > > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > > seemingly > > > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > > to > > > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > > Just as > > > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > > not > > > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi > to > > > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > > molded > > > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > > live > > > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > > issues are > > > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to > such > > > > connections. > > > > > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are > definite > > > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > > aquatic > > > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > > separated > > > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > > being > > > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > > Hyphae) > > > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony- > like > > > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > > food > > > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > > declina is > > > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and > s. > > > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can > or > > > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > > upon > > > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > > best > > > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > > remain > > > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > > its > > > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > > wounds > > > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > > invaded > > > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > > last few > > > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it > did > > so > > > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a > paper > > > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > > > >> stone.... > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36137	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

I can relate to the non cold cold water. We rarely have cooold water. In the summer, it's not cold from sitting in the cistern and in the winter it's not cold from having the heat tape on. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question NOW hot water I live down in the burbs of New Orleans so we do not get a lot of cold weather but I've always tried to avoid using ANY hot water when refilling my tanks. .. During the summer, when the "cold" water can be up in the high 80's F, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36138	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

Gosh I'm nearly as bad as your roomie, LOL. My house isn't terribly dirty, but it's definitely cramped and cluttered with too much stuff (ahem, maybe a few too many fish tanks, LOL but you didn't hear me say that). My thermostat sits in the 70's but the house is usually nearly 80 too, LOL. I wouldn't say my childhood was an adventure, but I'd have to say it was a little on the rough side at times, okay so maybe it may have been an adventure, I admit, LOL. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Yup. I've no idea what she means by the cup is very secure. She herself > feels most secure in a cramped cluttered dirty space with every door and > window locked and every blind closed, and the thermostat on 80! I'm > surmising that her childhood was an adventure. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:05 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > > There are screen tops made for aquariums, used for reptile, gerbils > and the like, which would probably help in promoting less stress for > the owner feeling comforted that their fish won't "suffocate" than it > really will help the fish. There is always a good pocket of air > between the surface and any such cover, which has more than enough > oxygen to maintain a fish for up to a year even if sealed, depending > on the water level. As hopefully the fish will be fed at least once > a day (once every two days?), air will be exchanged every time the > cover is removed. > > As this is a Betta, it will be able to breath directly from this air > column. When breeding Bettas, its usually best to keep the > tank "tightly" covered to help maintain a more humid condition, > aiding in the endurance of their bubble nest. Keeping a more humid > atmosphere via a tightly fitting solid cover is ESSENTIAL for Bettas > when rearing them, as they first develop their labyrinth apparatus at > about 6 weeks. > > While a filter or airstone is a luxury for us in being able to > maintain fish more easily, there was a time in the beginning of the > hobby when such luxuries were unheard of and tank maintenance > consisted of drawing off the fish waste and residue/mulm (as we now > do in cleaning the gravel), and changing out water. Tanks were > stocked accordingly, taking into account the fishes' gas exchange > needs for an uncirculating surface -- which is still the safest > method today to base stocking levels at when confronted (as will be > inevitable at some point) with a power outage. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > <pennafd@...> wrote: > > > > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The > fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor > thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen > would work? > > > > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup > all of us are designing for them. : ) > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a > pint jar with a > > > > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their > too- > > > > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference > between > > > > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the > > > > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe > (hopefully) > > > > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 > gallon > > > > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably > > > > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not > > > > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark > > > > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, > even > > > > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. > Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" > <tiggernut24@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an > > > > upgrade. Or the > > > > > betta will be dead in a week. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump > > > > the fake > > > > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then > when > > > > your > > > > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad > > > > you > > > > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak > them > > > > in a > > > > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate > > > > first. > > > > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate > inside > > > > the > > > > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is > > > > probably a > > > > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All > of > > > > their > > > > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head > > > > area. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God > > > > gave them > > > > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than > > > > wonderful > > > > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface > as a > > > > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are > often > > > > low in > > > > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live > like > > > > that in > > > > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. > > > > > > > > > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow > > > > filtration > > > > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep > their > > > > Bettas in > > > > > their tropical community tanks. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice > > > > > > > > > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away > for > > > > a week on > > > > > > > > > > vacation. > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to > > > > know how the > > > > > > > > > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I > try, > > > > I get > > > > > bronchitis. > > > > > > > > > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I > > > > guess. > > > > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at > teh > > > > bottom of > > > > > > > > > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its > > > > worms. > > > > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. > > > > Lives on top > > > > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my > > > > housemates > > > > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house > > > > than fresh > > > > > air. > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change > about > > > > 50 ml of > > > > > > > > > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 > > > > ppm. Maybe > > > > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time > all > > > > day. I > > > > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled > > > > water when I > > > > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. > > > > Water > > > > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta > seems > > > > much > > > > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen > > > > really > > > > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its > > > > little > > > > > dried worms. > > > > > > > > > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of > the > > > > ages > > > > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like > > > > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls > from > > > > the > > > > > filters on my tank. > > > > > > > > > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% > > > > water change > > > > > once a week. > > > > > > > > > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why > bettas > > > > must be > > > > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or > > > > decorations? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for > > > > this one > > > > > to still be alive. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > > Thank You. > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > > > > ((((º> > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > > important to > > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > > > > the SUBJECT > > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > > > > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36139	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

Hi Lenny, Yahoo answers is atrocious. I used to go there and steer people to this list when they had fish questions. The answers some people give will do more harm than good. Some people post bad information deliberately that will kill fish. Wish I had more time to go over there and steer people here. Any volunteers? -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 8:15 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) One day, I'm going to join Wikipedia and start correcting things when I see them but there's only so much time. At least Wikipedia is peer-reviewed and they do have a minimum set of standards, but you'll often see the political slant in the information provided... usually slanting to the left... of course, that's pretty typical of most mainstream media. Maybe Robert Murdoch needs to start up FoxiPedia. ;-) What's even worse than Wikipedia is the newer Yahoo Answers and the other "Answers" formats out there, including WikiAnswers. I saw one the other day, that showed up in another search I was doing, where there was only one answer for "How many ounces equal ml?" and the answer was "355ml".. HUH???? I just Googled it again and here it is... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_ounces_equal_ml so if anyone is a member of wiki.answers.com, please go answer that one correctly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http ://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) That's a tough call, even though I'd tend to agree with you. Out of curiousity, I just did a Search on Continental United States. The first reply, Wiki, said "Sometimes refers to the 48 contiguous states located on the North American continent." Yet the next reply, ALSO WIKI, said "The Continental United States comprises the 48 plus Alaska." Go figure that, I know you said Wiki is not always accurate (although you didn't say it was conflicting - LOL). Another reply said "The territory of the United States that is within North America between Canada and Mexico." Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers also > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can > pick it up at the FedEx ma in office. > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction > went for (75.57). > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi? fwcatfishl&1232417838 > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > Amber > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > >> > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > >> > >> Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36140	From: bill1433	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

They are here BUT it does say "shake GENTLY"!  I did not, I put the cap on and shook it up pretty good.  That is my whole point of writing, why did the results change so much?  Not to worry its not really that important..   Why?  The fish are alive and doing fine----------all's right with the world!   Bill --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:50 PM My Tetra-Laborette test kit does say to SHAKE the vial gently. I'm not sure if my previous messages are making it to Bill and Ray but they sure don't seem to be. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett While this may sound far-fetched (I'm probably thinking too hard to come up with a reason for this difference), maybe, just maybe, Tetra does not say to shake the vial because they know these caps have something in the plastic that's very basic. Try putting a small piece of plastic wrap over the opening of the vial and then your finger to hold it, then shake it. See if the results are any different. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. > If the pH has issues I'm wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.  Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. >   > More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be > to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with > what could be obtained from another kit.  It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.  But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. >   > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue > build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the > possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking > the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in > cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak > in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. > > As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at > least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit > which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't > make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice > that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than > $5 at almost any LFS. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put > the cap on > > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > >   > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this > kit? > >  Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36141	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: UV sterilizer

UV does work to remove suspended algae, and other microbes. Will the algae return? Not as long as the UV light is working at a sufficient strength. Once it fails the algae will return if you have not taken the steps to prevent it from returning. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] UV sterilizer > > do they work? is green water really a result of free floating algea > and will the uv sterilizer filter whatever it's called really solve > the problem, been having a problem with green water and never > experienced it befire si it's new to me > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36142	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

no adivce here except that if it is Lucky bamboo it is actually a lilly  and can poison cats if they are chewed on -----Original Message----- From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 1:34 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo Anna here i just planted bamboo in my tank!!!!!!! my tank is an asin theam so im very exsited. any tips for keeping it helthy?? fertializors, pruning tips i have never had real plants in my tank so any tips would be welcome. also i have some light alge growing on some of my decorations. any tips for keeping that under controle? and could it be cawsed by feeding my cory cat to many alge wafors?? just wondering thanks much! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links < *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36143	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: FW: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo

Bamboo is not meant to grow underwater. It will survive for a time but it’s not a plant that can be kept healthy underwater long term. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo no adivce here except that if it is Lucky bamboo it is actually a lilly and can poison cats if they are chewed on -----Original Message----- From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 1:34 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo Anna here i just planted bamboo in my tank!!!!!!! my tank is an asin theam so im very exsited. any tips for keeping it helthy?? fertializors, pruning tips i have never had real plants in my tank so any tips would be welcome. also i have some light alge growing on some of my decorations. any tips for keeping that under controle? and could it be cawsed by feeding my cory cat to many alge wafors?? just wondering thanks much! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links < *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36144	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Big Problem! Help Me!

Lots of good info at this site! On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@... > wrote: > You may want to take a look at this page > http://americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumUVSterilization.html > I think it gives a good explanation on the benefits of UV Sterilizers. > > Giuseppe > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve > Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > UV light sterilizers are OK to use with fish, plants, etc. because they > > are generally put inline with your filter, so none of the listed will > > make their way into the water flow surrounding the light. My Google foo > > seems to be lacking this morning as I was not able to quickly find you a > > good explanation of how UV works without a sales pitch attached and some > > suspect claims. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:18 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Big Problem! Help Me! > > > > > > If you have suggested this, I assume these are not harmful too fish? > > Are they also safe for > > > plants and snails? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Deb > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, giuseppesalvato <giuseppesalvato@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie, > > > > > > in addition to the other suggestions, I would also recommend the use > > > of a UV sterilizer if you can. I bought a portable one on ebay at $52 > > > for my 46 gallon tank. You could even run it on one tank at the time > > > if you decide for the portable one. > > > The UV sterilizer basically kills everything that passes through it > > > and fish get the benefit of not being attacked by the bad organisms > > > such as fungi spores or harmful bacteria. > > > It also kills suspended algae making your water green in a matter of > > > few hours. > > > I wish you all the best and you have all my respect for the battle > > > you are fighting. > > > > > > giuseppe > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Katie Craft" > > > <mom2angeldog@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, I have some really big, sad news. I have been a member here a > > > > little while now, and when I first became a member as a newbie to > > > the > > > > hobby, I started off with goldfish and one tank - to of course > > > become > > > > a total "aqua addict" I call it and morphed my room into what looks > > > > and sounds like a fish shop with 3 tanks in onw room. I have a > > > > serious and chronic disease called ME (a close cousin, and some > > > > consider the same, as CFS or Chronic Fatigue Syndrom) and > > > > Fibromyalgia. This disease effects all organ systems and all > > > aspects > > > > of your life, and goes through periods of remissions and "flares", > > > > when you symptoms become out of control and cannot be managed with > > > > the protocol you are on. You cant predict how long a phase will > > > last, > > > > there are some things you can do to help but ultimatly you have no > > > > control- case in point I am a Board Certified Holistic Health > > > > Practitioner who obviously does all the "right" type of things. I > > > had > > > > been doing so well I was planning to climb Mt. Washington as a show > > > > of hope for others with this life altering disease. And 2 months > > > ago > > > > out of the blue, I "crashed" - I hit a flare that came, like they > > > > will do, overnight almost, and has put me back into the disabled > > > > state I was less than 2 years ago. I am now house bound, most days > > > > bed ridden or couch ridden, I cant walk without a cane and cant > > > stand > > > > for longer than a minute before my cardiac involvement comes into > > > > play and my heart goes wacko, need a wheelchair to go anywhere > > > where > > > > there is walking like most stores or hospitals ect., and in serious > > > > pain and stiffness in all joints and muscles (Fibro). Most people > > > > know really nothing about these disease and are shocked that they > > > can > > > > do these things, and shocked at how much they resemble other > > > diseases > > > > but its like having many all at once. I am now under the care of > > > one > > > > of the top 3 specialists in the world for these diseases, who has > > > > written 3 books that have helped thousands of people and helped the > > > > public understand the realness of these disabling diseases. Dr. > > > > Natelson is located in New York City. One of his latest books says > > > it > > > > all "Your Symptoms Are Real! What To Do When Your Doctor Says > > > Nothing > > > > Is Wrong" - anyone with these diseases knows all to well the > > > > ignorance out there. Well, anyways, my ability to care for my tanks > > > > has totaly dwindled before my eyes. I cant do the weekly PWC or the > > > > frequent gravel vacs that I was so committed to. I have always > > > kepts > > > > my tanks super clean and the water sparkeling. I feel sooo bad now. > > > > The water looks almost green tinged now when I look at it in the > > > > right light. It has been at least a month since I have done > > > anything > > > > with the water aside from just filling it when it evaporates. I > > > have > > > > lost no fish. But I am anguishing over this! What can I do? Is > > > there > > > > something I can add to the water that can allow me to do less water > > > > changes? Is there something I can add to the water now? I already > > > > have high really good filtration and use Cycle. It is just really > > > > really really hard for me to clean 3 tanks when I cant carry any > > > > buckets myself, I need someone to help me. Its a process. I just > > > > didnt know if there was something I could do. Please do not > > > recommend > > > > a Python, I have one and it does not fit on my faucet so I dont > > > know > > > > how I can use it. People said things about going to a harware store > > > > but I have no idea what I would even say or look for or how I would > > > > know what would fit my faucet. I guess if you can give really good > > > > really specific advice on that, remember SPECIFIC then that would > > > be > > > > ok. I look forward to how you all can help me on this, or if there > > > is > > > > any other disabled members who have tips on how they get around > > > water > > > > changes. Thanks all! > > > > Blessings > > > > DR. Katie Ann Craft > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36145	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Need betta advice

My house is cluttered and cramped because it consists of oen room, but it isn't dirty! And the animals take up a good part of the available space. Teh budgies have a roomy flight cage, and the fish a 20 gallon tank. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice > Gosh I'm nearly as bad as your roomie, LOL. My house isn't terribly > dirty, but it's definitely cramped and cluttered with too much stuff > (ahem, maybe a few too many fish tanks, LOL but you didn't hear me say > that). My thermostat sits in the 70's but the house is usually nearly 80 > too, LOL. I wouldn't say my childhood was an adventure, but I'd have to > say it was a little on the rough side at times, okay so maybe it may > have been an adventure, I admit, LOL. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Yup. I've no idea what she means by the cup is very secure. She herself >> feels most secure in a cramped cluttered dirty space with every door and >> window locked and every blind closed, and the thermostat on 80! I'm >> surmising that her childhood was an adventure. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... >> <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:05 AM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need betta advice >> >> There are screen tops made for aquariums, used for reptile, gerbils >> and the like, which would probably help in promoting less stress for >> the owner feeling comforted that their fish won't "suffocate" than it >> really will help the fish. There is always a good pocket of air >> between the surface and any such cover, which has more than enough >> oxygen to maintain a fish for up to a year even if sealed, depending >> on the water level. As hopefully the fish will be fed at least once >> a day (once every two days?), air will be exchanged every time the >> cover is removed. >> >> As this is a Betta, it will be able to breath directly from this air >> column. When breeding Bettas, its usually best to keep the >> tank "tightly" covered to help maintain a more humid condition, >> aiding in the endurance of their bubble nest. Keeping a more humid >> atmosphere via a tightly fitting solid cover is ESSENTIAL for Bettas >> when rearing them, as they first develop their labyrinth apparatus at >> about 6 weeks. >> >> While a filter or airstone is a luxury for us in being able to >> maintain fish more easily, there was a time in the beginning of the >> hobby when such luxuries were unheard of and tank maintenance >> consisted of drawing off the fish waste and residue/mulm (as we now >> do in cleaning the gravel), and changing out water. Tanks were >> stocked accordingly, taking into account the fishes' gas exchange >> needs for an uncirculating surface -- which is still the safest >> method today to base stocking levels at when confronted (as will be >> inevitable at some point) with a power outage. Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks >> <pennafd@...> wrote: >> > >> > I would suggest that the cover not be a solid plastic cover. The >> fish does need to get some air if they will not be giving the poor >> thing a filter or any other air source of any kind. Perhaps a screen >> would work? >> > >> > Oh, please do tell us how your housemates like the new betta setup >> all of us are designing for them. : ) >> > >> > Deb P. >> > >> > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Even a 2 1/2 gallon tank would be much better than a >> pint jar with a >> > >> > cup of water, if they're reluctant on spending too much for their >> too- >> > >> > little appreciated fish. But then, there's little difference >> between >> > >> > the price of a 2 1/2 gallon tank and a 5 gallon tank (most of the >> > >> > cost at those sizes is in the labor of assembly). Maybe >> (hopefully) >> > >> > they'd find growing low-light aquatic plants rewarding in a 5 >> gallon >> > >> > tank (wouldn't need to spend money on a light, which they probably >> > >> > wouldn't consider) if it were placed nearer a window -- but not >> > >> > directly. The tank could not remain on top of the TV in a dark >> > >> > corner, in any event. A top of some sort should be used though, >> even >> > >> > if just a piece of heavy clear plastic, as even Bettas can jump. >> Ray >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dora Smith" >> <tiggernut24@ ...> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Thanks, Lenny. I will try to talk my housemates into an >> > >> > upgrade. Or the >> > >> > > betta will be dead in a week. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Yours, >> > >> > > Dora Smith >> > >> > > Austin, TX >> > >> > > tiggernut24@ ... >> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> >> > >> > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> >> > >> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:55 AM >> > >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Go get the largest clear vase you can find in their home and dump >> > >> > the fake >> > >> > > flowers, clean it out and make a new home for the Betta. Then >> when >> > >> > your >> > >> > > housemates get home, shove them in the Betta cup for me.. too bad >> > >> > you >> > >> > > cleaned out all the poo. ;-) >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Do not feed it dried bloodworms any longer... or rather, soak >> them >> > >> > in a >> > >> > > spoonful of tank water for a few minutes first so they rehydrate >> > >> > first. >> > >> > > Dried bloodworms, if he eats them right away, they rehydrate >> inside >> > >> > the >> > >> > > betta and can cause constipation and bloating issues. Three is >> > >> > probably a >> > >> > > lot to feed at one time. A Betta's stomach is very small. All >> of >> > >> > their >> > >> > > organs are crammed into the thoracic area that makes up the head >> > >> > area. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Yes, they have evolved into being very tough little fish and God >> > >> > gave them >> > >> > > their labyrinth breathing organ because they live in less than >> > >> > wonderful >> > >> > > conditions in the wild so they can now breathe from the surface >> as a >> > >> > > supplemental source of oxygen since their natural waters are >> often >> > >> > low in >> > >> > > oxygen from being almost stagnant. Just because they can live >> like >> > >> > that in >> > >> > > the wild, does not mean we should treat them the same way. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > A 5G to 10G tank, with some live plants (or silk) and a slow >> > >> > filtration >> > >> > > system is a much better home for a Betta and many folks keep >> their >> > >> > Bettas in >> > >> > > their tropical community tanks. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> > >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >> the >> > >> > right >> > >> > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> Year, >> > >> > Month) >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> > >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On >> > >> > > Behalf Of Dora Smith >> > >> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:50 PM >> > >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> > >> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Need betta advice >> > >> > > >> > >> > > My housemates have me pet sitting their betta. They are away >> for >> > >> > a week on >> > >> > > >> > >> > > vacation. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Now, if you saw the way they keep house, you'd not even want to >> > >> > know how the >> > >> > > >> > >> > > fish lives... dust of the ages. Vacuum once a year. If I >> try, >> > >> > I get >> > >> > > bronchitis. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Betta is in the little pint jar they got it in from Walmart. I >> > >> > guess. >> > >> > > It lives in a cup of water. The betta poop of the ages is at >> teh >> > >> > bottom of >> > >> > > >> > >> > > this water. Betta is sluggish and has little appetite for its >> > >> > worms. >> > >> > > Water is yellow and cloudy - and it gets NO sunlight. Nada. >> > >> > Lives on top >> > >> > > of the TV in the darkest corner of the living room, and my >> > >> > housemates >> > >> > > believe that light would have be even more dangerous to the house >> > >> > than fresh >> > >> > > air. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I cleaned out the poop of the ages with a pipette. I change >> about >> > >> > 50 ml of >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the 250 ml in the cup. I test the ammonia - it's atleast 2.0 >> > >> > ppm. Maybe >> > >> > > more. I've been slowly changing out water 20 to 25% at a time >> all >> > >> > day. I >> > >> > > had been using dechlorinated tap water but switched to bottled >> > >> > water when I >> > >> > > saw the ammonia levels because the bottled water is lower in ph. >> > >> > Water >> > >> > > looks better. Smells terrible - of bacterial bloom. Betta >> seems >> > >> > much >> > >> > > happier and has more of an appetite - not that it will ever seen >> > >> > really >> > >> > > happy in a container four times its size. I fed it three of its >> > >> > little >> > >> > > dried worms. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > OK, now, was I by any chance supposed to have left teh poop of >> the >> > >> > ages >> > >> > > alone because it contained friendly bacteria? It had a jelly-like >> > >> > > consistency with black stuff. I put in about ten nano balls >> from >> > >> > the >> > >> > > filters on my tank. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > The "professional directions" on top of the cup say to do a 30% >> > >> > water change >> > >> > > once a week. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Does it need a bigger container, or is there some reason why >> bettas >> > >> > must be >> > >> > > kept in very small containers that don't contain any gravel or >> > >> > decorations? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I don't know anything about bettas. They must be VERY hardy for >> > >> > this one >> > >> > > to still be alive. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Yours, >> > >> > > Dora Smith >> > >> > > Austin, TX >> > >> > > tiggernut24@ ... >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >> > >> > Thank You. >> > >> > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< >> > >> > ((((º> >> > >> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> > >> > important to >> > >> > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY >> > >> > the SUBJECT >> > >> > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> > >> > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º >> > >> > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > >> > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! >> Groups >> > >> > Links >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36146	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold

OK, I wrote and told her to please send me a sample of the plastic plants WITH the mold. But so far she's done neither. I ahve an idea that list is for ditzes. I also explained your logic in suspecting the mold is living off a biofilm or algae on the plants, since as you explain it is highly unlikely it would selectively grow on that one surface unless soemthing selectively on that surface attracted it. I suggested she disinfect teh artificial plants. She had mentioned some similarity to gunk in her filter, and I suggested she wipe out the filter as well. Gunk builds up in my filter and has to be cleaned off periodically, and if you don't it does spill over into the tank. I've found that teh filter itself is actually a prime source of particulate matter in the water. And it isn't that I don't keep the material IN the filters clean. I also told her that it is possible that the water mold with spikes on it taht was described to her specifically attacks living plants and not plastic ones. But Raymond, I cannot find the other e-mail you said you sent me privately. I have looked in the bulk mail, looked in the deleted items folder, adn looked after resorting teh contents of my mailbox by sender's name. Unless you used a different version of your name or e-mail that was set up differently, that should have found it if I got it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold Well, that certainly changes things doesn't it??? Now, do you see what I mean when I sent you in an off line message, that I can only determine just so much from the photos, and they're not as if I'm right there to view the tank live? Little did I know that the plants were plastic, as I had absolutely no way of knowing, and you neglected to fill me in on that little detail. How did you expect me to make an accurate diagnosis? This leads us back to either this Fungus is colonizing excess fish food that has landed on these dead plants, or on a film of Algae which may be too thin to view live and certainly not observable in a photo. As I said, if it can be determined that there is any Algae on these plastic plants, it's likely a Lagendia species of Fungus (if there's Algae available) is responsible -- but again, this is only speculation based on the best possibility since no one can tell much from a photo. The missing part of the "equation" is why this Fungus is only growing on the plastic plants and not on the substrate. If excess fish food is involved, isn't it also sinking down to the gravel? That's an observation, not a question. You would need someone to actually check out this aquarium live to be able to tell you anything definite. It could be something as simple as the composition of these plastic plants encouraging a Fungal growth. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > One thing, though, she said all her plants are plastic adn silk, except for > one moss ball. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold > > > Dora, I found and replied to your email (and photos). You may > forward it in whole or in part, to the Group, if you wish. As I > stated, my best speculation on this (without the aid of a microscope) > in my limited capacity to pin point it better is that it's probably a > species of Peronospora, a Fungal parasite of aquatic plants, rather > than a Saprolegnia growing on excess dead organic matter (fish food) > from appearances of the photos. This Genus of Fungi, similar to > Saprolegnia, Lagendia and Aphanomyces, is an Oomycete, growing hyphae > (filaments) to which hooks are attached in pathogenic species. It > acts similarly to what Saprolegnia paracitica does on fish when that > pathogen takes advantage of the opportunity of a bacterial infection > in fish, causing further dead tissue and feeding upon it. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > wrote: > > > > Raymond, speaking of missing e-mails, I sent you one privately a > short time > > ago, with some photos, I just want to make sure you know to look > out for it. > > In my experience it could hide out in a distant corner of your > mailbox. I > > was specifically hoping you could shed whatever light your > expertise on > > aquarium molds can shed on it. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:49 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Air stone fuzz/mold > > > > > > David, I'm glad to see you received that message, so I can then > > assume it went out as an email (I note it in the archives, but > > haven't received an email of it nor of my reply to Dora). I'd guess > > no more than 20 minutes at the most (or less) should be enough time > > to kill off any fungus. Lenny may have a better idea on the time > > needed, but I wouldn't even think you'd need an hour. Yes, I doubt > > the ammonia would have any decaying effect on the airstone itself. > > > > Funny thing with my missing emails though, I had this same problem > > several weeks ago and \\Steve// advised me to just unload my email > > box, which fixed the problem. Right now its only a little more than > > half full yet no further input. Can't figure these machines. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks ray. Ill give it a pure amonia bath tonight when i get > home. > > Is > > > there a recommended soaking time? I doubt the ammonia would have a > > > decaying effect on the stone itself, as its meant to be submerged > > all > > > the time in water. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raymond Wetzel > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > David, Your airstone repeatedly growing this fuzzy mold on it is > > quite > > > > unusual for a non-organic object. As has been already pointed > out, > > > > airstones can absorb material (including solid organic material) > > and > > > > this may be the root of the problem, although this still remains > > to be > > > > seen. Airstones do pull in other matter with water that gets > > attracted > > > > into the minute pores as a result of the air being released from > > their > > > > larger openings; its a pulling effect, having the same principle > > as an > > > > undergravel (or an in-tank corner filter) filter's much larger > > rising > > > > bubbles. While this may be a rare occurance for your airstone to > > have > > > > pulled in organic matter, it could well happen if it were in > > contact > > > > with excess food lying at the bottom of the tank. It's not > > unheard of > > > > (in fact, quite common) for airstones to get clogged up over > time > > in > > > > absorbing other materials into them. > > > > > > > > One other scenario, seemingly even more remote, would be the > > > > possibility of this batch of airstones somehow being > contaminated > > by > > > > some solid organic matter in their production. If any type of > > solid > > > > organic matter became part of the airstone's make-up during > > manufacture > > > > it will continually promote fungal (mold) growth in an aequeous > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > Lenny's fine suggestion of cleaning it in vinegar, plain ammonia > > or > > > > strong salt solution would seem to be best, as that will rid > this > > > > airstone of any mold that's presently growing on it, and yes, > you > > want > > > > to avoid using alcohol -- you don't want your fish getting tipsy > > > > (LOL). Yeah, I know, isopropyl alcohol is toxic, but I couldn't > > resist > > > > the temptation in that remark. Well, cleaning it as suggested, > > maybe > > > > even soaking it and then allowing it to dry after a good rinse, > > would > > > > be the cheapest way out. If the fungus returns, and you're sure > > > > there's no excess organic matter present, I would then replace > it > > as it > > > > would then seem to appear as if the problem may be in the make > up > > of > > > > the item, but I'd suggest buying a different brand next time. > > > > > > > > With any persistance of this problem, I would not just fall back > > on > > > > this mold dying off over time as part of a natural process in > > aquarium > > > > maturing, even though fungal spores are ever-present in your > water > > > > column. I would not advocate the growth of such an existing mold > > > > colony in an aquarium, which may be detrimental to your fish. > > While I > > > > am not saying it definitely would be detrimental to your fish, I > > > > maintain that there is this possibility when taking into account > > that > > > > these molds can be either Saprophytes or Aphanomyces, some of > the > > > > former (depending upon the species) which can invade your fish > as > > > > Saprolegniosis -- white cottony fungus growth which use any > > opportunity > > > > of a bacterial-infected wound to colonize. Not intending to get > > too > > > > scientific here for practical purposes and for easier reading if > > you're > > > > not familiar with the subject, suffice it to say that you don't > > need to > > > > read further, but for those more curious I'll proceed separately > > below. > > > > > > > > As just stated, this mold (fungus) growing on this airstone's > > seemingly > > > > obvious organic required presence for it to exist tends to point > > to > > > > Saprolegnia since it is appearring as a white cottony growth. > > Just as > > > > bacteria have many species, so do fungi of this Genus. There has > > not > > > > been enough study of the relationships of these different fungi > to > > > > determine if some may invade both dead organic material (as a > > molded > > > > shrimp being used to cycle a tank) and dead organic tissue on a > > live > > > > organism (fish) as a result of a bacterial infection (fungal > > issues are > > > > almost always a secondary infection) -- at least none that I see > > > > published in any aquarium literature -- other papers hint to > such > > > > connections. > > > > > > > > I know of only a handful (a dozen or so) of these aquatic fungul > > > > species (there are probably many more), some of which are > definite > > > > Oomycete pathogens (such as Saprolegnia paracitica). Of these > > aquatic > > > > fungi, there are five somewhat related yet phylogenetically > > separated > > > > claves, most of them being harmless to live fish. The Fungus, > > > > Saprolegnia diclina is in close association with (related to, as > > being > > > > in the same clave) S. paracitica, both growing Hypha (pleural, > > Hyphae) > > > > as part of their physical structure -- Hyphae are the cottony- > like > > > > growths, having hooks on the end to attach themselves to their > > food > > > > source (as opposed to a milky film, for instance) -- and S > > declina is > > > > suspected of also invading live fish. Additionally, Saprolegnia > > > > declina is also closely related to S. ferax, S. multispora and > s. > > > > australis. It is unknown whether these three latter species can > or > > > > will infect live fish or whether they remain totally dependant > > upon > > > > decaying waste matter, but for this very reason it's not in the > > best > > > > interest to tempt such an invasion when allowing a fungus to > > remain > > > > subsisting on dead organic material in your tank. In most cases > > its > > > > probably completely safe, especially if your fish have no open > > wounds > > > > or are not so stressed that any bacterial infection may have > > invaded > > > > them, but then, why take this chance. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hey guys. I got a 10 gal tank here fishless cycling. over the > > last few > > > >> weeks, the air stone has grown mold. or a fuzzy coating . it > did > > so > > > >> once before and i just took it out and wiped it off with a > paper > > > >> towel. its coming back now. any ideas why? its only on the air > > > >> stone.... > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36147	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: UV sterilizer

Hi Jacob, The UV sterilizers work very well but they only kill the algae and do not remove it- that is suppose to be done by the filter. I have had a pond that got pretty green and using the UV unit only 9 watts, it cleared up to crystal clear in a week or so. I use them on my 55 gal. tanks at home as well. */Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago /* Courtland Jacob wrote: > > do they work? is green water really a result of free floating algea > and will the uv sterilizer filter whatever it's called really solve > the problem, been having a problem with green water and never > experienced it befire si it's new to me > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36148	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Python question NOW hot water

I usually just use the finger test. I dip my finger in the tank to feel the general temp of the tank. Then I run the cold water for a moment and dip my finger under it. Most people have enough sensitivity in their fingers to tell the difference of even a couple of degrees. If the two water feel the same or near the same, I just refill the tank at a normal rate. If the two waters feel a lot different, whether on the high or low end of the temperature gauge, then I refill the tank very slowly... one, to give the fish a chance to acclimate to the changing temp and two, if it's colder water coming in, to give the heater a chance to keep the tank from cooling too fast. Like pH, fish seem to be able to acclimate to a rising temperature (or pH) a lot more heartily compared to a falling temperature (or pH)... as long as the rise isn't too much, too fast. If you don't trust your fingertips, then use a regular thermometer to test the tank and then test the cold water out the tap. If the cold water, right out the tap is more than 8F difference, then you should refill very slowly since a 25% PWC will change the tanks temp by 2F which is the most we should change their water temp at any one time... and even with only 2F, it's best to change it by no more than 1F per hour unless an urgent or emergency situation exists. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question NOW hot water I can relate to the non cold cold water. We rarely have cooold water. In the summer, it's not cold from sitting in the cistern and in the winter it's not cold from having the heat tape on. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Python question NOW hot water I live down in the burbs of New Orleans so we do not get a lot of cold weather but I've always tried to avoid using ANY hot water when refilling my tanks. .. During the summer, when the "cold" water can be up in the high 80's F, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36149	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

Thank you very much. That's what I wanted to hear. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:05 PM DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance  3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. Suggestions please.....? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36150	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

If you do have someone feed them just once or twice, be sure to give tehm exact instructions. My housemate told me to feed the betta "just a pinch, if that" of its food. I go to its food an dfind dried blood worms, tiny, I feed teh fish three of them at a time. Then on this list they tell me that is too much. I think I overfed adn constipated it. Housemate thought three worms is too much, but she did not tell me that - and three tiny dehydrated bloodworms is a pretty small "pinch" Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance 3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. Suggestions please.....? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36151	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold

Raymond, that woman just posted to that list a plea for help because she thinks she has algae on the bottom of the tank and her fish are sluggish. I'd say your reasoning was most likely right on target. The mold was attracted to teh beginning of a serious algae bloom in response to a water quality issue. I wrote to her privately before unsubscribing. Her post happened to be the one I clicked on trying to get to the list management pages. My posts to the list have been blocked for two weeks for arguing with the know it all who claimed to know exactly what fungus, which she knows exactly what it is and under the microscope it has terrible spikes, was attacking the tank, and know it would eventually destroy the tank, and the same tank has repeatedly destroyed the same tanks in her shop, and her husband is a biologist, and only six people in the world could name this fungus, and she and her husband are both very disturbed that I'd want more details about what tank-eating fungus this is. And the list owner sent me EIGHT angry e-mails about it. I'm telling you! But I actually think that woman would rather correspond with those two women then pin down her tank issue. They actually got into a discussion on whether the terrible spikes on the plastic-plant mold are good for small fish. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: O/T - was, Air stone fuzz/mold Dora, I found and replied to your email (and photos). You may forward it in whole or in part, to the Group, if you wish. As I stated, my best speculation on this (without the aid of a microscope) in my limited capacity to pin point it better is that it's probably a species of Peronospora, a Fungal parasite of aquatic plants, rather than a Saprolegnia growing on excess dead organic matter (fish food) from appearances of the photos. This Genus of Fungi, similar to Saprolegnia, Lagendia and Aphanomyces, is an Oomycete, growing hyphae (filaments) to which hooks are attached in pathogenic species. It acts similarly to what Saprolegnia paracitica does on fish when that pathogen takes advantage of the opportunity of a bacterial infection in fish, causing further dead tissue and feeding upon it. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36152	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

Actually I've learned to shake all my API stuff hard and long, because it makes a distinct difference. That is actually particularly true with shaking the bottle of high end ph reagent before doing the test. For some tests where the reagent is thicker the instructions specify to do that, but it seems to be true of all the tests. If shaking the tube hard or long doesn't make a difference, like with the simpler and faster acting tests, you see the color change immediately and it holds. Tehre are other possible reasons why a test result might change, and a chemical on the cap or your finger is one of them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett They are here BUT it does say "shake GENTLY"! I did not, I put the cap on and shook it up pretty good. That is my whole point of writing, why did the results change so much? Not to worry its not really that important.. Why? The fish are alive and doing fine----------all's right with the world! Bill --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:50 PM My Tetra-Laborette test kit does say to SHAKE the vial gently. I'm not sure if my previous messages are making it to Bill and Ray but they sure don't seem to be. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett While this may sound far-fetched (I'm probably thinking too hard to come up with a reason for this difference), maybe, just maybe, Tetra does not say to shake the vial because they know these caps have something in the plastic that's very basic. Try putting a small piece of plastic wrap over the opening of the vial and then your finger to hold it, then shake it. See if the results are any different. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. > If the pH has issues I'm wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters. Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. > > More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be > to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with > what could be obtained from another kit. It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it. But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. > > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue > build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the > possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking > the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in > cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak > in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. > > As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at > least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit > which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't > make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice > that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than > $5 at almost any LFS. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > > strange about it. When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put > the cap on > > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed! Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > > > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5. When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36153	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Angel's are at it again

So my angel's are laying eggs again, they picked the other side of the tank this time (the side of the powerhead, LOL). We shall see what comes of it this time, I'm not really worried about breeding them, at least not yet, so I'm just going to let them keep doing their thing for now. I can't tell if the ram's have also laid eggs or if they are the eggs that have fallen to the bottom of the tank nearby (inside of an ornament in fact), will just have to watch and see, the rams have both been hanging out down there though. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36154	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and pro

Yeah.. it's a shame that a company like Yahoo can provide so many good things (like this group and other groups) and then provide something as bad as Yahoo Answers which is pathetic with many of the answers yet things like Yahoo Answers and Wikipedia almost always show up as the top hits on Google or Yahoo searches so many internet newbie's do not realize they may not be the most reliable sites. I think that Google's new feature where the individual user can "rank" hits by moving some hits up to the top of the search page when they find that link was best, might start helping Search engines but some folks fear that spammers will use bots to move their own links up to the top... so who knows what will come of this feature. I've been using it to move the more reputable sites up to the top of my own searches but I'm not sure if Google is using this information yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) Hi Lenny, Yahoo answers is atrocious. I used to go there and steer people to this list when they had fish questions. The answers some people give will do more harm than good. Some people post bad information deliberately that will kill fish. Wish I had more time to go over there and steer people here. Any volunteers? -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 8:15 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) One day, I'm going to join Wikipedia and start correcting things when I see them but there's only so much time. At least Wikipedia is peer-reviewed and they do have a minimum set of standards, but you'll often see the political slant in the information provided... usually slanting to the left... of course, that's pretty typical of most mainstream media. Maybe Robert Murdoch needs to start up FoxiPedia. ;-) What's even worse than Wikipedia is the newer Yahoo Answers and the other "Answers" formats out there, including WikiAnswers. I saw one the other day, that showed up in another search I was doing, where there was only one answer for "How many ounces equal ml?" and the answer was "355ml".. HUH???? I just Googled it again and here it is... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_ounces_equal_ml so if anyone is a member of wiki.answers.com, please go answer that one correctly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http ://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Now - Aquabid win and shipping (was - Hillstream loaches and project thoughts) That's a tough call, even though I'd tend to agree with you. Out of curiousity, I just did a Search on Continental United States. The first reply, Wiki, said "Sometimes refers to the 48 contiguous states located on the North American continent." Yet the next reply, ALSO WIKI, said "The Continental United States comprises the 48 plus Alaska." Go figure that, I know you said Wiki is not always accurate (although you didn't say it was conflicting - LOL). Another reply said "The territory of the United States that is within North America between Canada and Mexico." Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I noticed he said "free shipping to continental U.S."... so, do sellers also > include Alaska in that statement since it is part of the N. American > continent? Usually, you'll see "except Alaska and Hawaii" so hopefully it > does include free shipping to you. You might want to send him an email > letting him know you work for FedEx.. right??.. and to ship it so you can > pick it up at the FedEx ma in office. > > That's a pretty good price since it also included free shipping... as long > as it's overnight shipping and not ground shipping. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > > Yay I got 'em (Sewellia Lineolata), and even cheaper than the last auction > went for (75.57). > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi? fwcatfishl&1232417838 > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > I plan on keeping a fish that loves algae and eats it off of stuff in > > like no time at all, so I wanted to have rocks that I could switch out > > that were in the algae tank growing algae. > > > > Amber > > > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > >> Most of us are trying to fight off excess algae, LOL. You don't need > >> natural light.tank lights do fine. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches and project thoughts > >> > >> Has anyone out there on this list tried to grow their own algae tank? > >> We don't get that great of sunshine this time of year but I could try > >> to supplement the lighting with artificial lights, not sure what > >> would be the best kind though, any suggestions? > >> On another forum a guy just used natural light (outdoor tank, but > >> this time of year it might freeze), and fertilizer's and urine to get > >> his algae farm started, then he put in slate and rocks. I'm just not > >> sure I'd get enough light up here in Alaska, it's usually overcast > >> here (rains a lot, it's a temperate rainforest). > >> > >> Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36155	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett

But in your initial post, it wasn't until after you shook it that it changed. Your OP implies that you did NOT shake it at all. Here is a snip from your OP... "When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put the cap on the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions BUT why would the results be so different? My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile I got a reading of 8.0!" The instructions DO SAY to shake it gently so I'm not sure if you first shook it gently and got one reading and then shook it more vigorously and got a different reading. If you did, one possibility is that shaking it vigorously caused any CO2 in the water to outgas which would then cause the pH to rise. Try doing duplicate tests shaking one gently and the other one vigorously and see what they do. Once you've shaken them once, don't re-shake as that could change the O2/CO2 levels in the water... maybe that's why they say to only shake it gently. Of course, using terms like this are subjective as one person's gently could be another person's vigorous.. and vice-versa. It's night time here but I'll replicate these suggested tests with both the API and the T-L kits tomorrow and post my results. With the T-L-, I'll do both tests, with the gentle and vigorous shaking, to see how they fare on my end. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett They are here BUT it does say "shake GENTLY"!  I did not, I put the cap on and shook it up pretty good.  That is my whole point of writing, why did the results change so much?  Not to worry its not really that important..   Why?  The fish are alive and doing fine----------all's right with the world!   Bill --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:50 PM My Tetra-Laborette test kit does say to SHAKE the vial gently. I'm not sure if my previous messages are making it to Bill and Ray but they sure don't seem to be. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett While this may sound far-fetched (I'm probably thinking too hard to come up with a reason for this difference), maybe, just maybe, Tetra does not say to shake the vial because they know these caps have something in the plastic that's very basic. Try putting a small piece of plastic wrap over the opening of the vial and then your finger to hold it, then shake it. See if the results are any different. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > My concern or issue here is with the accuracy of the test kit over all. > If the pH has issues I'm wondering about the original baseline testing and just exactly what are my real water parameters.  Although the instructions said nothing about using the cap and really shaking it (that was my idea) I do question the results obtained. >   > More-over, with all of this being in question, I think my first objective should be > to buy yet another test kit and find out or even compare my original readings with > what could be obtained from another kit.  It appears all I did was waste a bit of money on it.  But accurate results should be obtained in order to find out my real or exact water parameters in case I cannot keep the fish I wanted in the first place. >   > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ ...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tetra Test Kit---Laborett > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > Bill, Only a guess, but it appears to possibly be due to a residue > build-up inside the cap -- or at least that could be one of the > possibilities -- and its concentration could be released when shaking > the water against it. while I wouldn't use anything on the cap in > cleaning it that might alter the pH reading, just try letting it soak > in plain water to help dissolve anything and give it good rinse. > > As reports indicate, Tetra is not one of the more accurate kits, at > least not their pH kit, if this persists I'd go with an API pH kit > which can be bought as low as $3.79 at Drs Foster & Smith, but don't > make an order just for that -- the shipping would be more than twice > that. You should still be able to find an API kit for pH at less than > $5 at almost any LFS. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > > I have been using this kit for about 3 months and discovered something > > strange about it.  When doing a pH test, after add the agent I put > the cap on > > the vile and shook it---------- ---the results changed!  Now it does > not say to shake the vile for this particular test in the instructions > BUT why would the results be so different? > >   > > My normal pH (if you can call it that) is 5.5.  When I shook the vile > I got a reading of 8.0!  Has this happened to anyone else using this > kit? > >  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36156	From: tcollins490	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Hello all... new to this group

We are starting up a new saltwater tank and really wanting to get it right this time. We have did the salt tank before and it was just a mess and didn't work out at all. We are wanting to do a reef and fish tank. I have been reading a lot on the subject in hopes that we will get it right this time. Then i started looking for a group and found this one. Looking forward to learning about what others are doing in the aquatic world. Also we plan on putting in a new pond in this spring. We have had ponds before then sell the house and now want to start again. I am just so excited to have found a place that talks about so many different ways to have fish in our lifes.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36157	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

As has been mentioned, if it actually bamboo, it will not survive for very long. The so called lucky bamboo does seem to like to have its feet wet, but just its feet. The cane likes to be dry. You might want to set it up similar to the method sometimes used by people who use house plants, namely philodendron, by fashioning a basket that allows the roots into the water, but no other part of the plant. If it really is bamboo, then you will need to remove it from the tank, as it will not survive for very long. Depending on the type of bamboo, you might be able to pot it and keep it near the aquarium as part of your Asian themed décor. I do not know where you live, but it would not be wise to plant it outdoors, unless you want to create a lot of work for yourself. Bamboo is a real weed, and not particularly easy to keep under control, though if the right type and a cold enough climate, could make the bamboo an annual plant. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishtank Bamboo > > Anna here > > i just planted bamboo in my tank!!!!!!! my tank is an asin theam so im > very exsited. any tips for keeping it helthy?? fertializors, pruning > tips i have never had real plants in my tank so any tips would be > welcome. > > also i have some light alge growing on some of my decorations. any tips > for keeping that under controle? and could it be cawsed by feeding my > cory cat to many alge wafors?? just wondering > > > thanks much! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36158	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

What does everyone think of those automatic food feeders? The round ones that work an a battery? The guy I bought the tank from gave me two of them.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/21/2009 8:23:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, tiggernut24@... writes: If you do have someone feed them just once or twice, be sure to give tehm exact instructions. My housemate told me to feed the betta "just a pinch, if that" of its food. I go to its food an dfind dried blood worms, tiny, I feed teh fish three of them at a time. Then on this list they tell me that is too much. I think I overfed adn constipated it. Housemate thought three worms is too much, but she did not tell me that - and three tiny dehydrated bloodworms is a pretty small "pinch" Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance 3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. Suggestions please.....? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

I've never used one but I've seen high quality models that I might trust but I've also seen some really cheap models that I would not trust. I would thoroughly test them on an empty tank for a while... at least through a full set of batteries to see how long they last, how well they work and so you can adjust the feed output until you are sure it's feeding the correct amount. Over the years, I've seen forum posts, mostly complaints about these "tools". One that I saw was about the flakes clumping together in the output area due to the humidity of the tank and once the flakes clogged, they would no longer flow out... or if you have greedy eaters that splash at the surface during feeding time, water might even splash up and wet the output area causing the flakes and/or other food to clump up and clog the output. Test them with flakes and also with pelleted foods to see which are more accurate.. I'm thinking pelleted foods since the flakes are such different sizes. Try splashing a little water on the output area and see how the feeder reacts, etc. I would also probably like one that was not battery operated so that if the power ever went out on the tank for a couple of days, the feeder would also stop.. presuming you are out of town. If you have live plants and a properly stocked tank (meaning not overstocked), your fish would have a good chance at survival but you certainly wouldn't want to be feeding them during this time when the biological filtration of your filter system was off. If someone is simply using one of these to get out of the "chore" of feeding their fish, they might want to re-think fish keeping in general. Feeding time is a VERY GOOD time to observe your fish to make sure they are eating properly, that all the fish are eating, that all fish are getting a fair share, etc. Sometimes, when you have less aggressive fish or bottom feeders, you have to take steps to make sure these fish also get a fair share of food which might mean feeding the aggressive fish at one end of the tank and while they are busy, drop the sinking foods into the other end. Your fish will soon learn via Pavlovian training, that at feeding time, the bottom feeders or less aggressive eaters will migrate to their end for their foods while the pigs are busy at the other end. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home What does everyone think of those automatic food feeders? The round ones that work an a battery? The guy I bought the tank from gave me two of them.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/21/2009 8:23:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, tiggernut24@... writes: If you do have someone feed them just once or twice, be sure to give tehm exact instructions. My housemate told me to feed the betta "just a pinch, if that" of its food. I go to its food an dfind dried blood worms, tiny, I feed teh fish three of them at a time. Then on this list they tell me that is too much. I think I overfed adn constipated it. Housemate thought three worms is too much, but she did not tell me that - and three tiny dehydrated bloodworms is a pretty small "pinch" Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I bought some of the Pro Balance 3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not used them. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36160	From: William	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding fish while away from home

If you have someone come in to feed the fish then I would put a portion in a baggie for each days feeding per tank and mark on the baggie with the date that it s to be fed even to having them feed every other day. If the food is portion control they cannot overfeed (or they should not). This is especially if the people do not have fish themselves because most people thing that fish will need more than they really do. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > If you do have someone feed them just once or twice, be sure to give tehm > exact instructions. My housemate told me to feed the betta "just a pinch, > if that" of its food. I go to its food an dfind dried blood worms, tiny, I > feed teh fish three of them at a time. Then on this list they tell me that > is too much. I think I overfed adn constipated it. > > Housemate thought three worms is too much, but she did not tell me that - > and three tiny dehydrated bloodworms is a pretty small "pinch" > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home > > > DO NOT use the feeding blocks. Your fish will be fine for a few days... > even a week or more in most cases... and with livebearers, their will likely > be plenty of food swimming around. ;-) > > The feeding blocks are known for causing many water quality issues and > people have come home to a tank full of dead fish due to the blocks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Philip Charles > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:54 AM > To: aquatic Life > Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding fish while away from home > > Hi all. I have one tank with Guppies and another with Platys. I have to > leave for a few days, what is best to buy to feed them while I am gone. I > bought some of the Pro Balance 3 Day Feeding Blocks Fish Food but have not > used them. Suggestions please.....? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36161	From: Dave	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Newbie!

Hi Gang, I'm a newcomer from Melbourne Beach, FL. I just bought my 1st aquarium (29 Gallon), and have a baby snapper, crawfish, a couple fresh water eels and numerous inexpensive feeder fish. I can't believe I've gone this long WITHOUT having an aquarium. I LOVE it & look forward to your posts. I'm glad there's a group on Yahoo that shares in the SPECIAL interest of aquatic life. :)~Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36162	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith.com was not very good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from MarineDepot.com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > going by watts to determine everything. > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > wish me luck ;) LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > it made > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > light > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > 10' or > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > fixtures > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > equal > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > lights > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > where, I'm > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > lumens, > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > we go, > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf.> > > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf.>> > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > > of > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > > light. > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec>> > > trum- > > > photosythesis.html > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe>> > > ctrum- > > > photosythesis.html> > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> > > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>>> > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>>> > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > not > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > to > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > just a > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > > at > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > > was > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > > the > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > enough > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > be > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > CFL > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > that > > > > > > would be > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the rapid > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > agitation > > > > > > that > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > this. This > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > long > > > > as you > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > Maybe you > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > how the > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > > > > > there > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > anyone > > > > > > already > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > and > > > > how to > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > about > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > for the > > > > > > light > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > could > > > > > > always > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > watts > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > getting will be > > > > suspended > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > than the > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > filter > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36163	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Oh, and I found the legs! LOL They fell out of the box in my eagerness to look at the light ;) It looks very nice and the legs work rather well, think I may replace my hood on the 55 with a piece of plastic later or something, the ones I have work okay but the hood is in the way to open it ;) So basically I have to remove one side of the hood (It's one of the all-glass versa-tops from Drsfostersmith.com). I thought about just removing them entirely but I don't want any curious cats somehow getting into the fish tank, even though they haven't been able to get up there so far the last 4 months. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > going by watts to determine everything. > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > wish me luck ;) LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > it made > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > light > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > 10' or > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > fixtures > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > equal > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > lights > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > where, I'm > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > lumens, > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > we go, > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > difference: http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf.> > > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf.>> > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > > of > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > > light. > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spec>> > > trum- > > > photosythesis.html > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/lighting/38014-lighting-spe>> > > ctrum- > > > photosythesis.html> > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>> > > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w <http://tinyurl.com/78v82w>>> > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/plant-lighting.html>>> > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > not > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > to > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > just a > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > > at > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > > was > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > > the > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > enough > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > be > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > CFL > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > that > > > > > > would be > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the rapid > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > agitation > > > > > > that > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > this. This > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > long > > > > as you > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > Maybe you > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > how the > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > > > > > there > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > anyone > > > > > > already > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~AK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html> > > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html > <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem%7EidProduct%7EAK01051.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > and > > > > how to > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > about > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > for the > > > > > > light > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > could > > > > > > always > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > watts > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > getting will be > > > > suspended > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > than the > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > filter > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36164	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie!

Be careful you don't make the most common newbie mistake by overstocking your tank as that will lead to many problems for you and for the fish. Go to http://fish.mongabay.com and use the Search link to look at good profiles/care sheets on each of your fish so you can make sure you are keeping fish that are compatible and are OK with your 29G tank. You should consider the expected adult size of the fish for stocking purposes... for example, those little 1" common goldfish feeder fish grow up to 18"+ BIG fish that need to be in a pond... or a REALLY BIG TANK. There's also a good chance that many, if not all of your fish will end up becoming food for your crawfish. Is the "baby snapper" a snapping turtle or ??? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie! Hi Gang, I'm a newcomer from Melbourne Beach, FL. I just bought my 1st aquarium (29 Gallon), and have a baby snapper, crawfish, a couple fresh water eels and numerous inexpensive feeder fish. I can't believe I've gone this long WITHOUT having an aquarium. I LOVE it & look forward to your posts. I'm glad there's a group on Yahoo that shares in the SPECIAL interest of aquatic life. :)~Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36165	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Rocks

Hi Lenny, Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live so close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my new tank. Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of days to leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think about putting them in the dishwasher first. Thanks, Steve Biondi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36166	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks

I use the dishwasher, but no soap and turn on the sanitize feature. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rocks Hi Lenny, Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live so close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my new tank. Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of days to leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think about putting them in the dishwasher first. Thanks, Steve Biondi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36167	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks

The LFS said to avoid rocks from the beach but didn't specify why, I think she was just not comfortable with the idea (she runs a large saltwater tank and knows that I have freshwater). She suggested getting rocks from a freshwater stream/river instead. I boil mine first (after scrubbing them). Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > I use the dishwasher, but no soap and turn on the sanitize feature. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rocks > > Hi Lenny, > > Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live so > close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my new > tank. > Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? > > Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of > days to > leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think about putting them > in the dishwasher first. > > Thanks, Steve Biondi > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36168	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks

Is it odd that I can't wait to hook up my new dishwasher tomorrow so that I can use it to wash driftwood? My husband said, "not in this house" when I asked him, LOL. Now I just need to find some more rocks. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The LFS said to avoid rocks from the beach but didn't specify why, I > think she was just not comfortable with the idea (she runs a large > saltwater tank and knows that I have freshwater). She suggested getting > rocks from a freshwater stream/river instead. > I boil mine first (after scrubbing them). > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > I use the dishwasher, but no soap and turn on the sanitize feature. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rocks > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live so > > close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my new > > tank. > > Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? > > > > Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of > > days to > > leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think about > putting them > > in the dishwasher first. > > > > Thanks, Steve Biondi > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36169	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Light alge grwoth

hi anna here i have some light brown alge growing on some of my decorations and glass, not much but some. i was wondering what the likely caws is and some good non-cemical treatments. i got a swardtail about 3 days ago and have seen a large improvement on the algy groth he has eaten it compleatly off one ordament and plant and is makeing good progress on the others. i was wondering if the alge wafers i feed my corycat could be the culprit. any info would be apresheated btw the fish in my tank are as follows 1corycat 2guppys 1beta 1high fin black tetra 1neon tetra my plants are 2 bamboo

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36170	From: harry perry	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

Hi Leanna       Excess nutrients are the culprit. Algae is a one celled plant. It needs light and food. Your lights might best be kept on a timer 12 hours on. Algae food is fish waste, uneaten fish food etc. To control algae you need to starve it. Feed your fish only once a day. Every other day is better. Also 25% water changes once a week. It is much easier to control algae in a planted tank. Use low light plants like Hornwort, java moss. These are nutrient sponges. Live plants are multi celled and will out compete the algae for available nutrients. Harry --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Light alge grwoth To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:05 AM hi anna here i have some light brown alge growing on some of my decorations and glass, not much but some. i was wondering what the likely caws is and some good non-cemical treatments. i got a swardtail about 3 days ago and have seen a large improvement on the algy groth he has eaten it compleatly off one ordament and plant and is makeing good progress on the others. i was wondering if the alge wafers i feed my corycat could be the culprit. any info would be apresheated btw the fish in my tank are as follows 1corycat 2guppys 1beta 1high fin black tetra 1neon tetra my plants are 2 bamboo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36171	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks

You could certainly rinse them well, scrub them with a sturdy brush, then soak them in regular chlorinated tap water which will help kill a few bugs, replacing the water every day until it's mostly clear. Last but not least, either boil them for 20 minutes or run them through your dishwasher with no soaps or rinsing agents added.. just on the HOT cycle and the HOT dry. If you do a search of the groups messages for sanitizing driftwood, you'll see a recent thread where we talked about rocks and driftwood. DO NOT BAKE rocks in your oven as any moisture that might have leached into the rocks could cause the rocks to explode into many pieces possibly even damaging your oven. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rocks Hi Lenny, Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live so close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my new tank. Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of days to leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think about putting them in the dishwasher first. Thanks, Steve Biondi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36172	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: questions on a couple of things

I didnt know that there were yellow guppies. How can one tell the difference between males and females of that color? also turns out that one of the guppies i was given is a female and the other a male. I have made arrangements for someone to take the fry when they get too much for the tank that i have. I do wonder though is how can you tell when the female is about to give birth? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36173	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: questions on a couple of things

Not sure exactly how long it takes, but it's around 3 weeks or so and she gets really fat, that's the easiest way to tell which one is the female, otherwise the male is always more colorful, usually has longer fins too. I have a female with longer fins than my males though, so that may not always be true. My males have color on their bodies (like bright yellow) the female is dark on her body and has color on her tail. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > I didnt know that there were yellow guppies. How can one tell the > difference between males and females of that color? > also turns out that one of the guppies i was given is a female and the > other a male. I have made arrangements for someone to take the fry > when they get too much for the tank that i have. I do wonder though is > how can you tell when the female is about to give birth? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36174	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

thanks harry, i alredy am feeding once a day, a tiny bit of tropical fish fakes, and about 6 of thows teeny tiny beta pellets also every other day a drop in 1/4 to 1/2 an alge waffor for my cory cat. is that 2 much? i also do a 1/2 water change every week(and thats with my mom chewing me out for doing it to much) oh and another question whats the best way to change out my gravl with out messing up my good bacteria? my tank came with ugly brown and red gravle and i would like to change to a finer black gravle. thank you very much i apreasheat your advice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36175	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

well thats a bummer, i bought it at petco they had it in there fish tanks....... it looked so nice with the fish swimming around it... thanks for the tips, im gunna do a little more reshuch and than i will probly take it out as you sugjested...sigh.. my sward tail likes it a lot. oh btw i live in western washington. lol deffantly NOT the right place for outdoor bamboo, cold and it redefines the word rainy season.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rocks

Too bad rocks don't float to the surface of snow or they'd be easy pickings right now. ;-) So.. I'm guessing you're gonna run the driftwood through the dishwasher when hubby's at work? :P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rocks Is it odd that I can't wait to hook up my new dishwasher tomorrow so that I can use it to wash driftwood? My husband said, "not in this house" when I asked him, LOL. Now I just need to find some more rocks. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The LFS said to avoid rocks from the beach but didn't specify why, I > think she was just not comfortable with the idea (she runs a large > saltwater tank and knows that I have freshwater). She suggested > getting rocks from a freshwater stream/river instead. > I boil mine first (after scrubbing them). > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > I use the dishwasher, but no soap and turn on the sanitize feature. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rocks > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > Wondering if it advisable to use rocks from the beach. Since I live > > so close to the Pacific ocean, I can find lots of rocks to put in my > > new tank. > > Are they safe or should some precautions be taken to make them safe? > > > > Thought that it might work to soak them in a bucket for a couple of > > days to leach the salt/contaminants from them. What do ya think > > about > putting them > > in the dishwasher first. > > > > Thanks, Steve Biondi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36177	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth

How long has your tank been set up? "Brown Algae", actually diatoms but misnamed brown algae a long time ago so it's still a common name for these diatoms, are fairly common in newly set up tanks due to excess silicates. If your tank is new, just keep up with your weekly or so tank/filter maintenance and 25% PWC's and it will slowly go away. Tell us more about your tank, filter, etc. and if you know your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, hardness, temperature? If your tank is large enough, it would be a good idea to fill out the schools on your tetras as they are schooling fish. If your tank isn't large enough, then you should look at rehoming the single tetras. The guppies do not need to be in schools but if you have a female, you will likely have more than just a school of them anyhow. For smaller tanks, it's best to keep only male guppies so you don't end up with overcrowding and water quality issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Light alge grwoth hi anna here i have some light brown alge growing on some of my decorations and glass, not much but some. i was wondering what the likely caws is and some good non-cemical treatments. i got a swardtail about 3 days ago and have seen a large improvement on the algy groth he has eaten it compleatly off one ordament and plant and is makeing good progress on the others. i was wondering if the alge wafers i feed my corycat could be the culprit. any info would be apresheated btw the fish in my tank are as follows 1corycat 2guppys 1beta 1high fin black tetra 1neon tetra my plants are 2 bamboo

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36178	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Rock Making- Amber

Amber, I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18278&pcatid=18278 Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36179	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth

my tanks been up for about a month, so its still new, im glad to here that a little is not uncommen. i dont know the numbers for my ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, hardness the petstore that test my water just tells me that its right on target. my water temp is a soled 74 degrees and dusent flx. my filter is a cascade 300 what ever that means its the one that came with my tank. my tanks a 10gallon, i had 5 tetras but they all died, i took advantage of the warenty and got 5 more and all but one died. bolth of my guppys are male i had a female to begin with but she was an old girl from a friends tank an passed away not long after giving birth (all babys got eaten) thanks lenny anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36180	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

Do you have an under gravel filter system or one of the other filter systems? If it's not a UGF, then the majority of your good bacteria will be living in the filter media (pads, sponges, etc.) of your filter system. If you do have a UGF, then the good bacteria will be mostly living on the gravel. In either case, since there are other things besides just the nitrifying bacteria that grow in the gravel, some good, some bad, it would be best if you vacuum your gravel well when you do your PWC's (partial water changes). You might want to do a PWC every day for several days straight to make sure there is little or no detritus in the gravel. Then get some stockings and make several "bags" by cutting the legs across, then tying one end. Then fill all of these bags with your gravel using a slotted spoon or spatula and tie the top of the bags. You want the nylon material stretched out tight so the holes are open as much as possible without tearing so water will be more easily flow through the bags. Leave them in your tank. After rinsing the new gravel well, fill a small colander with the gravel (actually this is a good way to rinse the gravel also) and slowly lower the colander down into your tank and slowly pour out the new gravel. Keep your filter running to help keep the water clear but it will probably get a little cloudy/dirty regardless. Leave the "old" gravel bags in your tank for a couple of weeks and then start removing them one by one, one each week until they are all out of the tank. This would be leaving any bacteria that is needed in the tank while the new gravel is properly colonized. DO NOT THROW away your filter cartridges during this process and actually, you should almost never throw away a filter cartridge in the future unless you have a new cartridge that has been cycling in the filter for a few weeks first. See my blog article on "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" for tips on how to clean and maintain the various filter systems without causing too much problem for your good bacteria that grow in the filter systems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna thanks harry, i alredy am feeding once a day, a tiny bit of tropical fish fakes, and about 6 of thows teeny tiny beta pellets also every other day a drop in 1/4 to 1/2 an alge waffor for my cory cat. is that 2 much? i also do a 1/2 water change every week(and thats with my mom chewing me out for doing it to much) oh and another question whats the best way to change out my gravl with out messing up my good bacteria? my tank came with ugly brown and red gravle and i would like to change to a finer black gravle. thank you very much i apreasheat your advice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36181	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

hi anna here wow i dident realize that bamboo in tanks was such a controversal topic!! i read 10 diffrent threds and there was a lot of YES's and a lot of NO's but from what i gather there is a type of bamboo that grows well in tanks. not that lucky bamboo stuff but an acutal bammboo. there are people who claim that theres has lasted for years and has grown considrably. others who say it died with in 6months.... i guess ill just have to see what happens. thanks for the info

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36182	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie!

Hi Dave, Welcome to the group. I don't know much about the critters in your aquarium but I will be interested in learning right along with you. I have a beautiful happy "feeder" goldfish who is just moving into a much larger aquarium now. One person's feeder fish is another person's 'pet' fish! Did you intend your 'feeders' to feed someone or to keep? Looking forward to your posts. Deb P. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Hi Gang, I'm a newcomer from Melbourne Beach, FL. I just bought my 1st aquarium (29 Gallon), and have a baby snapper, crawfish, a couple fresh water eels and numerous inexpensive feeder fish. I can't believe I've gone this long WITHOUT having an aquarium. I LOVE it & look forward to your posts. I'm glad there's a group on Yahoo that shares in the SPECIAL interest of aquatic life. :)~Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And that's on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and cupcakes. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber Amber, I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18278&pc atid=18278 Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36184	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an incredible thread of e-mails to follow! Deb P. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was not very good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > going by watts to determine everything. > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > wish me luck ;) LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > it made > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > light > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > 10' or > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > fixtures > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > equal > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > lights > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > where, I'm > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > lumens, > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > we go, > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > > of > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > > light. > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec>> > > trum- > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe> > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe>> > > ctrum- > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>>> > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > not > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > to > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > just a > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > > at > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > > was > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > > the > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > enough > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > be > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > CFL > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > that > > > > > > would be > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the rapid > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > agitation > > > > > > that > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > this. This > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > long > > > > as you > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > Maybe you > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > how the > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > > > > > there > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > anyone > > > > > > already > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > and > > > > how to > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > about > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > for the > > > > > > light > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > could > > > > > > always > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > watts > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > getting will be > > > > suspended > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > than the > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > filter > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > 74/`7.88.><( (((:>.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8><((( (:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><(( ((:> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <:((((><.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8<:((( (><8.74/` 7.8. , .74/`7..<:(( ((><74/`7. 88. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36185	From: Leanna	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

THANKS SO MUCH thats some fantastc advice and i will deffantily do that! i do have a ugf but i aslo have a cansiter one. i figure if i tag team filter than i will have a realy clean tank. i will go to the store next payday and get the nilons and new gravl.. thanks much anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth

OK.. since you are still kind of new to the hobby. If you go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page, in the first few paragraphs, I go over a lot about the nitrogen cycle, filter maintenance, etc. I also have links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through, step-by-step, all of the basics of fish keeping you will have a better idea of how to keep your fish alive without the help of your local pet store... which probably knows very little about keeping fish alive long term. Their goal is to get them in and sell them as fast as possible before they die. Our goal in this group is to help you learn the right way so you can keep your fish living for years and years. Most of the smaller fish will live for around 5 - 7 years and many of the larger fish will live for 20+ years... if properly cared for. We're here to help. Don't fall for the "this chemical and that chemical" trap that many stores will try to get you hooked into. The main "chemical" that most people need is a simple dechlor product. I use API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. They are both the same chemical with one being a little more concentrated than the other but both are much more concentrated than many of the other dechlor products out there. Both of these only need 1ml per 10G of water where many other products need 5ml or even 10ml per 10G of water and they sell their products for the same price. You don't need all of the stress-this or slime that type products. For a newly set up tank, using SeaChem's Prime as the tap water dechlor might be a good idea since it will help keep the ammonia from being too toxic for the fish. Adding a pinch of salt per 10G will help with nitrite poisoning issues that might come up. If your budget allows, for under $20.00, you can get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit at WalMart.com with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart store which is the best deal for a master test kit that I know of right now. This will be much better for you to be able to test your own water and know really what's going on instead of being told "it's right on target" by your pet store employee... whatever that means? I'd bet they don't even know about the nitrogen cycle and how it affects our pet fish and how it works... but maybe they'll surprise me. ;-) Now go do your homework with them tutorials. ;-) Come back here with any questions and we'll be happy to further explain things for you. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth my tanks been up for about a month, so its still new, im glad to here that a little is not uncommen. i dont know the numbers for my ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, hardness the petstore that test my water just tells me that its right on target. my water temp is a soled 74 degrees and dusent flx. my filter is a cascade 300 what ever that means its the one that came with my tank. my tanks a 10gallon, i had 5 tetras but they all died, i took advantage of the warenty and got 5 more and all but one died. bolth of my guppys are male i had a female to begin with but she was an old girl from a friends tank an passed away not long after giving birth (all babys got eaten) thanks lenny anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36187	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Awww, you don't think those kitties would find anything interesting under the hood do you?  I have a great picture of one of my cats the first day I brought home two of my bettas. The cat helped me name them, "Not-a-Toy" and "Paws off". LOL! I think the fish liked their names and they were very happy for those hoods on their aquariums! Seriously, congrats on all of your recent purchases. Deb P. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Oh, and I found the legs! LOL They fell out of the box in my eagerness to look at the light ;) It looks very nice and the legs work rather well, think I may replace my hood on the 55 with a piece of plastic later or something, the ones I have work okay but the hood is in the way to open it ;) So basically I have to remove one side of the hood (It's one of the all-glass versa-tops from Drsfostersmith. com). I thought about just removing them entirely but I don't want any curious cats somehow getting into the fish tank, even though they haven't been able to get up there so far the last 4 months. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > going by watts to determine everything. > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > wish me luck ;) LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > it made > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > light > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > 10' or > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a kitchen > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > fixtures > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > equal > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting over the > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > lights > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions > > there might be ;) > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > where, I'm > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > lumens, > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > we go, > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the type > > of > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my tank, does > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue actinic > > > light. > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may actually > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spec>> > > trum- > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe> > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ 38014-lighting- spe>> > > ctrum- > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>>> > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in determining the > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > plants. > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p = Low > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > not > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you know, > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > to > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > just a > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > switches > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all of them > > at > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want ;). I > > was > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just after > > the > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > shelter > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > enough > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > be > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream setup uses > > CO2, > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at least > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 watts of > > CFL > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray Charles type > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > that > > > > > > would be > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It seems that > > > > the rapid > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > agitation > > > > > > that > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > this. This > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > long > > > > as you > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > Maybe you > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > how the > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > opinions > > > > > > there > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > anyone > > > > > > already > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>> > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > and > > > > how to > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > about > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > for the > > > > > > light > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > could > > > > > > always > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > watts > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though right? I > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > getting will be > > > > suspended > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > than the > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > filter > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36188	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I had no idea what the stuff normally costs. I bet you could get it cheaper from a teachers' supply place since art teachers use it. Another great place would be art supply places online. I am assuming the type of foam they have would work for aquariums. Deb P. --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And that's on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and cupcakes. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber Amber, I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? c=3578+20024+ 18278&pc atid=18278 Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36189	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still seems to be available, though there is not much info about using it. It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Amber, > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+1827 8&pcatid=18 > 278 > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > Deb P. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36190	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

Find out the scientific name of the plant you have. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo hi anna here wow i dident realize that bamboo in tanks was such a controversal topic!! i read 10 diffrent threds and there was a lot of YES's and a lot of NO's but from what i gather there is a type of bamboo that grows well in tanks. not that lucky bamboo stuff but an acutal bammboo. there are people who claim that theres has lasted for years and has grown considrably. others who say it died with in 6months.... i guess ill just have to see what happens. thanks for the info [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36191	From: bill1433	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

What are Algae Wafers?  Who makes them?  Are they good for Pleco's?   Sorry, I never of them.  Lots of questions?   Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:38 AM thanks harry, i alredy am feeding once a day, a tiny bit of tropical fish fakes, and about 6 of thows teeny tiny beta pellets also every other day a drop in 1/4 to 1/2 an alge waffor for my cory cat. is that 2 much? i also do a 1/2 water change every week(and thats with my mom chewing me out for doing it to much) oh and another question whats the best way to change out my gravl with out messing up my good bacteria? my tank came with ugly brown and red gravle and i would like to change to a finer black gravle. thank you very much i apreasheat your advice [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36192	From: Margie Phelps	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

I had the lucky bamboo (bought at Pet's Mart) and had it in my tank as they did and thou it looked pretty for a while, it started looking a bit drab after a while. And that is when I noticed the "brown" algae starting. Don t know if that had anything to do with it or not. But in my new tank (we moved) I am not using it. The bamboo is now with others in the kitchen   Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf http://stitchinfingers.ning.com/profile/MargiePhelps -------Original Message------- From: Leanna Date: 1/23/2009 2:21:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo hi anna here wow i dident realize that bamboo in tanks was such a controversal topic!! i read 10 diffrent threds and there was a lot of YES's and a lot of NO's but from what i gather there is a type of bamboo that grows well in tanks. not that lucky bamboo stuff but an acutal bammboo. there are people who claim that theres has lasted for years and has grown considrably. others who say it died with in 6months.... i guess ill just have to see what happens. thanks for the info ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36193	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the bulbs that came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what kind they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an incredible > thread of e-mails to follow! > > Deb P. > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was not very > > good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from > > MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging > > everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would > > still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory > > that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has > > foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the > > plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, > > and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 > > gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I > > wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection > > for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other > > bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square > > pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) > > The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included > > adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed > > to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > > > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > > > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > > > going by watts to determine everything. > > > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > > > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > > > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > > > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > > > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > > > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > > > wish me luck ;) LOL. > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > > > it made > > > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > > > light > > > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > > > 10' or > > > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a > kitchen > > > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > > > fixtures > > > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > > > equal > > > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting > over the > > > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > > > lights > > > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions > > > > there might be ;) > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > > > where, I'm > > > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > > > lumens, > > > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > > > we go, > > > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the > type > > > > of > > > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my > tank, does > > > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue > actinic > > > > > light. > > > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may > actually > > > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec>> > > > > trum- > > > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe> > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe>> > > > > ctrum- > > > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in > determining the > > > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p > = Low > > > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > > > not > > > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you > know, > > > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > hear any > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > > > to > > > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > > > just a > > > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > > switches > > > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > of them > > > > at > > > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want > ;). I > > > > was > > > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > after > > > > the > > > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > > shelter > > > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > > > enough > > > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > > > be > > > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream > setup uses > > > > CO2, > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > least > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 > watts of > > > > CFL > > > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray > Charles type > > > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > > that > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It > seems that > > > > > > the rapid > > > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > agitation > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > > > this. This > > > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > > > long > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > > > Maybe you > > > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > > how the > > > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > > > and > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > > > about > > > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > > > for the > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > > > could > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > > > watts > > > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though > right? I > > > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > > > getting will be > > > > > > suspended > > > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > > > than the > > > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > > filter > > > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > 74/`7.88.><( (((:>.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8><((( (:> 8.74/`7.8. , > .74/`7..><(( ((:> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > > > SUBJECT > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <:((((><.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8<:((( (><8.74/` 7.8. , .74/`7..<:(( > ((><74/`7. 88. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36194	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

Bill, As the name would imply, Algae wafers are just that -- wafers made of Algae. They're excellent for Pleco's and highly recommended for them. Hikari offers them as Algae Wafers, Wardley offers them as Spirulina Disks and there are other manufacturers which produdce them too, including smaller Mini wafers for smaller fish. A good source of protein in vegetative food for the herbivors. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > What are Algae Wafers?  Who makes them?  Are they good for Pleco's? >   > Sorry, I never of them.  Lots of questions? >   > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: > > From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:38 AM > > > > > > > thanks harry, i alredy am feeding once a day, a tiny bit of tropical > fish fakes, and about 6 of thows teeny tiny beta pellets also every > other day a drop in 1/4 to 1/2 an alge waffor for my cory cat. is that > 2 much? > > i also do a 1/2 water change every week(and thats with my mom chewing > me out for doing it to much) > > oh and another question whats the best way to change out my gravl with > out messing up my good bacteria? my tank came with ugly brown and red > gravle and i would like to change to a finer black gravle. > > thank you very much i apreasheat your advice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36195	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

How much does it affect the pH? Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular back > in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and said to be > "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still seems to be > available, though there is not much info about using it. It can be used > to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is not a good choice > for those of you with an acid water tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > Amber, > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+1827 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+1827> > 8&pcatid=18 > > 278 > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36196	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

Oh no, where I live redefines the word rainy season. I'm in South East Alaska, we get up to 16 FEET of rain a year (yes we get so much we measure it in feet, we get easily a few inches of rain a day when it's really down pouring). Temperate rain forest for you ;) Amber Leanna wrote: > > well thats a bummer, i bought it at petco they had it in there fish > tanks....... it looked so nice with the fish swimming around it... > thanks for the tips, im gunna do a little more reshuch and than i will > probly take it out as you sugjested...sigh.. my sward tail likes it a > lot. > > oh btw i live in western washington. lol deffantly NOT the right place > for outdoor bamboo, cold and it redefines the word rainy season. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36197	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

LOL, good idea Lenny ;) I'm doing mine the hard way, I bought the foam insulation and I'm going to seal it and paint it like chuck did on his. I decided to put rocks/gravel on the bottom though so I need to see what my hardware store gets into stock, with the recent ice and snow everyone bought all of her gravel, darnit, LOL. She should have more in about a week or so, when the barge gets here (yes, we have to wait for a barge to bring us most of the big stuff that the stores sell, including all of our food/veggies, perishable stuff goes into a refrigerated container on the barge). I suppose I could run the tank with a few large rocks on the bottom and no gravel for now if I wanted to get it started cycling, but I'm not worried about that process as I have the filter going on the big tank already and some decorations (rocks and such) that I can move over into the 55 gallon tank from the other tanks too, and I have a few plants in the guppy fry tank that I'm going to move over to the 55, it's been my holding tank for all of the plants that the fish like a bit too much (aka, food) in the big tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And that's > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public schools > instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. And one > background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and cupcakes. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Amber, > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18278&pc > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18278&pc> > atid=18278 > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > Deb P. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36198	From: Jerry	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

A year or so ago I was looking for information on making my own rocks. I don't have all the links anymore but this is a place to start. Jerry http://www.the-artistic-garden.com/faux-rock-recipe.html Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And that's > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public schools > instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. And one > background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and cupcakes. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Amber, > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18278&pc > atid=18278 > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > Deb P. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36199	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

hay bill there Hikri Tropical's algae waffors. there for plecostomus and algae eaters. my corycat loves them and so do my sward tail and guppys. my guppys got noticalby healther after i started adding them to the diet. there fins got longer and brigher.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36200	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

ugg no fun!! last winter it got soo bad(just befor the december flood that was alover the news) my dad had left a 5 gallon bucket outside and it over filled with in a day!! but it sounds like you guys can top that!! lol ill have to remember not to go see my cusins(they live in alaska) durring the rainy season! anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36201	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna

Most brands of foods make their version of "Algae wafers". As always, check the ingredients as you will see brands like Tetra has mostly flour, wheat, glutens, etc. as the primary ingredients and Omega One will actually have spirulina algae, kelp, fish, etc. as the primary ingredients. Most algae wafers will actually have a large percentage of protein in them as most so-called "algae eaters" are actually omnivores... not all of them.. but most of them. Yes, most pleco's love them. I had to feed my last common pleco (Liposarcus Pardalis) several algae wafers a day (and after lights out) to keep him well fed once he had the tank spotless. My new juvi Clown Pleco (probably the Panaque maccus but could still be the Peckoltia pulcher) is still working hard to clean up all the algae that I let grow in my tank while I was shopping around for a new dwarf pleco specimen after I rehomed Mr. Pleco since he was getting too big for my 65G. So far, he hasn't really shown much interest in the algae wafers but he does like zucchini slices but mostly just eats algae and driftwood so far. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna What are Algae Wafers?  Who makes them?  Are they good for Pleco's?   Sorry, I never of them.  Lots of questions?   Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Light alge grwoth/Leanna To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:38 AM thanks harry, i alredy am feeding once a day, a tiny bit of tropical fish fakes, and about 6 of thows teeny tiny beta pellets also every other day a drop in 1/4 to 1/2 an alge waffor for my cory cat. is that 2 much? i also do a 1/2 water change every week(and thats with my mom chewing me out for doing it to much) oh and another question whats the best way to change out my gravl with out messing up my good bacteria? my tank came with ugly brown and red gravle and i would like to change to a finer black gravle. thank you very much i apreasheat your advice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36202	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

I think, like \\Steve// already mentioned, you can submerge the bottom couple of inches of "Lucky Bamboo" (which is not a real bamboo) in the tank water but most folks that do more than that will cause rot issues. You could use one of them clear plastic breeder boxes or a breeder net box hanging on the inside of the tank with some large rocks in it and then the stalk(s) of lucky bamboo being held up by the rocks so it's technically growing out of your tank but it's not submerged more than a few inches. At one time, when I was experimenting with different homes for my Katrina-rescued Betta, I had a shallow 6" deep tank (plastic storage box) that held 2G of water and lots of Anacharis and I had the lucky bamboo planted in that tank with a plastic container in the middle, with lots of holes in it, filled with rocks to hold up the stalks... which were about 2' high at the time and now close to 3' tall. The Betta really seemed to like that set up with 6" deep water and lots of room to swim around, but I couldn't run a filter on it so I eventually moved him to a normal 10G tank... which he also liked. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margie Phelps Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo I had the lucky bamboo (bought at Pet's Mart) and had it in my tank as they did and thou it looked pretty for a while, it started looking a bit drab after a while. And that is when I noticed the "brown" algae starting. Don t know if that had anything to do with it or not. But in my new tank (we moved) I am not using it. The bamboo is now with others in the kitchen   Margie http://loomingragdoll.blogspot.com/ http://www.shelfari.com/o1518107464/shelf http://stitchinfingers.ning.com/profile/MargiePhelps -------Original Message------- From: Leanna Date: 1/23/2009 2:21:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo hi anna here wow i dident realize that bamboo in tanks was such a controversal topic!! i read 10 diffrent threds and there was a lot of YES's and a lot of NO's but from what i gather there is a type of bamboo that grows well in tanks. not that lucky bamboo stuff but an acutal bammboo. there are people who claim that theres has lasted for years and has grown considrably. others who say it died with in 6months.... i guess ill just have to see what happens. thanks for the info ------------------------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36203	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I think some of the ingredients (cement, dyes, etc.) in that "Faux Rock" would NOT be very good in an aquarium... unless, after making one of these "rocks", you then sealed the entire thing in a clear epoxy sealant to keep it from leaching into the water. At least with the foam, it's mostly inert in water but even with the foam, after painting it, it must also be sealed in the epoxy to prevent the paints from leaching. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber A year or so ago I was looking for information on making my own rocks. I don't have all the links anymore but this is a place to start. Jerry http://www.the-artistic-garden.com/faux-rock-recipe.html Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And that's > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public > schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. > And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and > cupcakes. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Amber, > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18 > 278&pc > atid=18278 > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36204	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Activated Carbon

Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36205	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Hair algae

Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do actually). Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a hair cut once in a while. It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" timeframe, he also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch him ;) LOL. I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36206	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon

No. Chemical filtration is not needed on most aquariums. Doing regular PWC's, filter maintenance and gravel vacuuming is the best thing. It's OK to have some carbon around in the event you have a contamination of some sort or you need to remove an additive or medicine but it's not needed running full time in most aquariums. I say "most" as normal tank maintenance will keep most aquariums from ever becoming polluted enough to require chemical filtration but for tanks that are overstocked, then chemical filtration will help a little to keep things a little better for the fish between the more frequent tank maintenance that should be done on heavily stocked tanks. If you want to use a chemical filtration media for your goldfish tank, since nearly every goldfish tank, regardless of size, are probably overstocked to some degree, I would recommend buying two packets of 100ml Purigen... they were on sale at DrsFosterSmith.com recently. They come in their own media bag so you don't have to keep refilling media bags. Also, they can be cleaned and reused over and over for quite a while using plain bleach. See my blog article on "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and I have a section about Purigen which details how I "clean" mine. I keep two packs running and only clean one at a time since the cleaning process involves soaking the packet in a 50% bleach solution for a day, then rinsing and soaking the packet in a strong dechlor solution for a day. I guess you could get by with one packet and if you clean it after doing a PWC, the tank would be in better shape anyhow so it wouldn't be as necessary for the two days following tank maintenance. Besides Purigen, there are other brands of advanced chemical filtration mediums and these newer mediums claim to do a better job at removing impurities from the water compared to carbon. I like Purigen as it starts out mostly white and then turns a dark brown as it removes impurities. Then after the bleaching/cleaning process, it's back to mostly white. At least you can tell when it's dirty and needs to be cleaned which can't be done with carbon so you just have to trash carbon every couple of weeks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36207	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon

Hi Deb; Since we are not doing laboratory work but just purifying water, I think that grade of Charcoal is a waste of money, I think I have been able to get the grade just under that for about 12 to 13 dollars. I am tending to go the direction of Purgen type bags because of the retention and that they can be regenerated. I have two filters (canister) and then the hang on types that that I can see visually the Purgen condition and is easy to pluck out for the exchange. Just my way of doing it. Sam, Chicago. Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36208	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon

OK, I'll look into the Purigen/Purgen(?) filtration media, then. I was just going through the PetSmart/PetsMart website (the store uses both names in emails). I was looking for something to bump me over the $60 so I can get $6 shipping. I'll see what else they have that I can use. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------ Hi Deb; Since we are not doing laboratory work but just purifying water, I think that grade of Charcoal is a waste of money, I think I have been able to get the grade just under that for about 12 to 13 dollars. I am tending to go the direction of Purgen type bags because of the retention and that they can be regenerated. I have two filters (canister) and then the hang on types that that I can see visually the Purgen condition and is easy to pluck out for the exchange. Just my way of doing it. Sam, Chicago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon No. Chemical filtration is not needed on most aquariums. Doing regular PWC's, filter maintenance and gravel vacuuming is the best thing. It's OK to have some carbon around in the event you have a contamination of some sort or you need to remove an additive or medicine but it's not needed running full time in most aquariums. I say "most" as normal tank maintenance will keep most aquariums from ever becoming polluted enough to require chemical filtration but for tanks that are overstocked, then chemical filtration will help a little to keep things a little better for the fish between the more frequent tank maintenance that should be done on heavily stocked tanks. If you want to use a chemical filtration media for your goldfish tank, since nearly every goldfish tank, regardless of size, are probably overstocked to some degree, I would recommend buying two packets of 100ml Purigen... they were on sale at DrsFosterSmith.com recently. They come in their own media bag so you don't have to keep refilling media bags. Also, they can be cleaned and reused over and over for quite a while using plain bleach. See my blog article on "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and I have a section about Purigen which details how I "clean" mine. I keep two packs running and only clean one at a time since the cleaning process involves soaking the packet in a 50% bleach solution for a day, then rinsing and soaking the packet in a strong dechlor solution for a day. I guess you could get by with one packet and if you clean it after doing a PWC, the tank would be in better shape anyhow so it wouldn't be as necessary for the two days following tank maintenance. Besides Purigen, there are other brands of advanced chemical filtration mediums and these newer mediums claim to do a better job at removing impurities from the water compared to carbon. I like Purigen as it starts out mostly white and then turns a dark brown as it removes impurities. Then after the bleaching/cleaning process, it's back to mostly white. At least you can tell when it's dirty and needs to be cleaned which can't be done with carbon so you just have to trash carbon every couple of weeks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36209	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon

You might want to compare prices on http://DrsFosterSmith.com and http://ThatFishPlace.com as well as others. PetsMart.com used to have very competitive prices but they raised most of their internet prices to match their store prices lately so they aren't very competitive with the rest of the internet right now. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon OK, I'll look into the Purigen/Purgen(?) filtration media, then. I was just going through the PetSmart/PetsMart website (the store uses both names in emails). I was looking for something to bump me over the $60 so I can get $6 shipping. I'll see what else they have that I can use. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------ Hi Deb; Since we are not doing laboratory work but just purifying water, I think that grade of Charcoal is a waste of money, I think I have been able to get the grade just under that for about 12 to 13 dollars. I am tending to go the direction of Purgen type bags because of the retention and that they can be regenerated. I have two filters (canister) and then the hang on types that that I can see visually the Purgen condition and is easy to pluck out for the exchange. Just my way of doing it. Sam, Chicago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon No. Chemical filtration is not needed on most aquariums. Doing regular PWC's, filter maintenance and gravel vacuuming is the best thing. It's OK to have some carbon around in the event you have a contamination of some sort or you need to remove an additive or medicine but it's not needed running full time in most aquariums. I say "most" as normal tank maintenance will keep most aquariums from ever becoming polluted enough to require chemical filtration but for tanks that are overstocked, then chemical filtration will help a little to keep things a little better for the fish between the more frequent tank maintenance that should be done on heavily stocked tanks. If you want to use a chemical filtration media for your goldfish tank, since nearly every goldfish tank, regardless of size, are probably overstocked to some degree, I would recommend buying two packets of 100ml Purigen... they were on sale at DrsFosterSmith.com recently. They come in their own media bag so you don't have to keep refilling media bags. Also, they can be cleaned and reused over and over for quite a while using plain bleach. See my blog article on "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and I have a section about Purigen which details how I "clean" mine. I keep two packs running and only clean one at a time since the cleaning process involves soaking the packet in a 50% bleach solution for a day, then rinsing and soaking the packet in a strong dechlor solution for a day. I guess you could get by with one packet and if you clean it after doing a PWC, the tank would be in better shape anyhow so it wouldn't be as necessary for the two days following tank maintenance. Besides Purigen, there are other brands of advanced chemical filtration mediums and these newer mediums claim to do a better job at removing impurities from the water compared to carbon. I like Purigen as it starts out mostly white and then turns a dark brown as it removes impurities. Then after the bleaching/cleaning process, it's back to mostly white. At least you can tell when it's dirty and needs to be cleaned which can't be done with carbon so you just have to trash carbon every couple of weeks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36210	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Activated Carbon

Ok, thanks! Usually I'll have shopping carts from several places open at one time to figure out where I get the best deal with s&h totaled in. Sometimes it's cheaper to pay more for one item if low s&h makes up for it. But I'm really tempted to get a Python after all the talk about it here. That 5G bucket is a pain to carry and soon it'll be two of them each way every PWC. So that might make my store choice for me. PetSmart wants $45 for the cheapest one. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon You might want to compare prices on http://DrsFosterSmith.com and http://ThatFishPlace.com as well as others. PetsMart.com used to have very competitive prices but they raised most of their internet prices to match their store prices lately so they aren't very competitive with the rest of the internet right now. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon OK, I'll look into the Purigen/Purgen(?) filtration media, then. I was just going through the PetSmart/PetsMart website (the store uses both names in emails). I was looking for something to bump me over the $60 so I can get $6 shipping. I'll see what else they have that I can use. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------ Hi Deb; Since we are not doing laboratory work but just purifying water, I think that grade of Charcoal is a waste of money, I think I have been able to get the grade just under that for about 12 to 13 dollars. I am tending to go the direction of Purgen type bags because of the retention and that they can be regenerated. I have two filters (canister) and then the hang on types that that I can see visually the Purgen condition and is easy to pluck out for the exchange. Just my way of doing it. Sam, Chicago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon No. Chemical filtration is not needed on most aquariums. Doing regular PWC's, filter maintenance and gravel vacuuming is the best thing. It's OK to have some carbon around in the event you have a contamination of some sort or you need to remove an additive or medicine but it's not needed running full time in most aquariums. I say "most" as normal tank maintenance will keep most aquariums from ever becoming polluted enough to require chemical filtration but for tanks that are overstocked, then chemical filtration will help a little to keep things a little better for the fish between the more frequent tank maintenance that should be done on heavily stocked tanks. If you want to use a chemical filtration media for your goldfish tank, since nearly every goldfish tank, regardless of size, are probably overstocked to some degree, I would recommend buying two packets of 100ml Purigen... they were on sale at DrsFosterSmith.com recently. They come in their own media bag so you don't have to keep refilling media bags. Also, they can be cleaned and reused over and over for quite a while using plain bleach. See my blog article on "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and I have a section about Purigen which details how I "clean" mine. I keep two packs running and only clean one at a time since the cleaning process involves soaking the packet in a 50% bleach solution for a day, then rinsing and soaking the packet in a strong dechlor solution for a day. I guess you could get by with one packet and if you clean it after doing a PWC, the tank would be in better shape anyhow so it wouldn't be as necessary for the two days following tank maintenance. Besides Purigen, there are other brands of advanced chemical filtration mediums and these newer mediums claim to do a better job at removing impurities from the water compared to carbon. I like Purigen as it starts out mostly white and then turns a dark brown as it removes impurities. Then after the bleaching/cleaning process, it's back to mostly white. At least you can tell when it's dirty and needs to be cleaned which can't be done with carbon so you just have to trash carbon every couple of weeks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Activated Carbon Is it worth it to get Research Grade Super Activated Carbon? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754012 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36211	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

And the foam is lighter! If the fake rock is as heavy as a real rock, drive out to the country and get a real rock! I guess the only advantage would be you could include PVC pipe caves in the one you make yourself. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > I think some of the ingredients (cement, dyes, etc.) in that "Faux Rock" > would NOT be very good in an aquarium... unless, after making one of these > "rocks", you then sealed the entire thing in a clear epoxy sealant to keep > it from leaching into the water. At least with the foam, it's mostly inert > in water but even with the foam, after painting it, it must also be sealed > in the epoxy to prevent the paints from leaching. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:07 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > A year or so ago I was looking for information on making my own rocks. I > don't have all the links anymore but this is a place to start. > > Jerry > > http://www.the-artistic-garden.com/faux-rock-recipe.html > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And > that's > > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public > > schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. > > And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and > > cupcakes. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > Amber, > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18 > > 278&pc > > atid=18278 > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36212	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

They also sell some very large gloves that go up to your armpits. It would work while you clean and let you reach into the tank to move or straighten something during other times. Just a thought... On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > Something else you can do if you don't want to buy a longer siphon > tube.. is > take a wooden dowel and just silicone it, or nylon tie it, or both, to the > side of your current tube so that you have a longer stick to hold onto. > Those plastic wands used on mini-blinds would also work for this purpose if > they are sturdy enough. I've seen some that are stiff and others that are > really flimsy. > > The only reason I'd get one longer or bigger than the standard 18"" long 2" > tube is if I had a REALLY BIG tank with a lot more bottom area that needed > to be cleaned so a wider tube would cover the area faster but then the > larger tube might not get into the cracks and crevices between > plants/ornaments as well so the 2" is a good size for all of my tanks... > although it is pretty big for the 10G tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of David Keymel > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > You are the best Lenny. My buddy wants a longer one also, so ill send it > along to him. Thanks! > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Yes, they sell the siphon tubes in lengths up to 72" (6'.. usually for > > ponds.. if I had a 6' deep tank, I'd put on my scuba gear and use the 18" > > tube. LOL). Click on the DFS link that I posted earlier, then click on > > the Accessories link and you'll see the link to the various tubes... > > or I could just do it for you. ;-) > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3902&rel > > =1 > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of David Keymel > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > > > Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i > > want to buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can help > > it and i have a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's perfect > > size. i just need that to attach to one of these i guess.. I keep > > seeing all kinds of fitting replacements but never really accessories > > for them to adjust them for different tank types etc. > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@... <Jpateson%40aol.com>> > wrote: > >> Lenny, > >> > >> Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >> > >> GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > >> > >> A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that > >> DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' > >> sy system... > >> _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppih<http://shopping.http//shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shoppih> > >> t > >> tp://&e_ > >> > >> (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A?c > >> o > >> p=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo > >> > >> A Google Shopping search found identical results with > >> DrsFosterSmith.A having the lowest prices on both models. > >> > >> Here's the direct link to the DFS page... > >> _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._<http://www.drsfostehttp//www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www._> > >> (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910) > >> > >> You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. > >> The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where > >> the top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these > >> start to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a > >> new one, I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the new > faucet pump. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_<http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_> > >> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in > >> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > >> and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > >> [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > On Behalf Of > >> _Jpateson@... <_Jpateson%40aol.Jpa>_ > >> (mailto:Jpateson@... <Jpateson%40aol.com>) > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM > >> To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > >> > >> Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on the > >> topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > >> _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ (mailto:trinityfarms@...<trinityfarms%40bendtel.net>) > writes: > >> > >> Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked > >> into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down the > >> drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the bathroom at > >> the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug to use for dogs > >> or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water before the hot gets > >> to us from the hot water heater. I remember something similar to the > >> python (actually it's the attachment to the faucet that I remember) I > >> had YEARS ago and it seemed like it "wasted" a lot of water in > >> maintaining the suction or something. It's been a long time and it > >> may have been for the water bed. > >> > >> Laurie > >> > >> From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: > >> _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > >> [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLif > >> e > >> @Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > >> GoldLenny > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > >> To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: > >> _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > >> > >> There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > >> recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC > >> with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant where > >> the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back into the > >> natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, precipitation > > (rain/snow), water... > >> and the cycle continues. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36213	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Amber, That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, the acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, available in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit on "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the link. www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > How much does it affect the pH? > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular back > > in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and said to be > > "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still seems to be > > available, though there is not much info about using it. It can be used > > to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is not a good choice > > for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+1827 > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+1827> > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > 278 > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36214	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I posted a link that does not use any paint or other evil substances other than concrete, which can be neutralized as one would a fish pond (or as Jed Clampet would say--the See-ment pond). www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > I think some of the ingredients (cement, dyes, etc.) in that "Faux Rock" > would NOT be very good in an aquarium... unless, after making one of these > "rocks", you then sealed the entire thing in a clear epoxy sealant to keep > it from leaching into the water. At least with the foam, it's mostly inert > in water but even with the foam, after painting it, it must also be sealed > in the epoxy to prevent the paints from leaching. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:07 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > A year or so ago I was looking for information on making my own rocks. I > don't have all the links anymore but this is a place to start. > > Jerry > > http://www.the-artistic-garden.com/faux-rock-recipe.html > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And > that's > > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public > > schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. > > And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and > > cupcakes. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > Amber, > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18 > > 278&pc > > atid=18278 > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > Deb P. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36215	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Harl, Tuffa is lighter than "real" rocks. It can be shaped while it is made, or in the case of natural tuffa, carved. This is why some gardeners are so enraptured with it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > And the foam is lighter! If the fake rock is as heavy as a real rock, drive > out to the country and get a real rock! I guess the only advantage would be > you could include PVC pipe caves in the one you make yourself. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > wrote: > > > I think some of the ingredients (cement, dyes, etc.) in that "Faux Rock" > > would NOT be very good in an aquarium... unless, after making one of these > > "rocks", you then sealed the entire thing in a clear epoxy sealant to keep > > it from leaching into the water. At least with the foam, it's mostly inert > > in water but even with the foam, after painting it, it must also be sealed > > in the epoxy to prevent the paints from leaching. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Jerry > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:07 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > A year or so ago I was looking for information on making my own rocks. I > > don't have all the links anymore but this is a place to start. > > > > Jerry > > > > http://www.the-artistic-garden.com/faux-rock-recipe.html > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > WOAHHH... that stuff's not cheap. $80.00 for a 30" x 20" piece? And > > that's > > > on sale! :-O I think I'd go the DIY route. > > > > > > Dang.. I think it's time to put some kindergarten and elementary grade > > > classes to work making foam backgrounds to raise money for public > > > schools instead of throwing away our tax dollars on them all the time. > > > And one background makes up for a heck of a lot of cookies and > > > cupcakes. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any > articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:11 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+18 > > > 278&pc > > > atid=18278 > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36216	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Python question, Price

I have one of the claws... it's actually a little kit for plants where the plastic arm has a T-thing (like a syringe) at top that you squeeze to make the claw work or you can change out the claw for a pair of snips to trim plants. I thought about the gloves before but the little claw works for me and I don't have to worry about what to do with dripping long gloves after. I just prop the claw tool on top of the tank and against the wall until it drips dry. They sell the tool in a couple of different lengths in case someone has a deep tank. The brand I have is "Tom Aquarium Products Aquatic Gardener". I got it at DrsFosterSmith.com a while back.. on sale of course. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price They also sell some very large gloves that go up to your armpits. It would work while you clean and let you reach into the tank to move or straighten something during other times. Just a thought... On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > Something else you can do if you don't want to buy a longer siphon > tube.. is take a wooden dowel and just silicone it, or nylon tie it, > or both, to the side of your current tube so that you have a longer > stick to hold onto. > Those plastic wands used on mini-blinds would also work for this > purpose if they are sturdy enough. I've seen some that are stiff and > others that are really flimsy. > > The only reason I'd get one longer or bigger than the standard 18"" long 2" > tube is if I had a REALLY BIG tank with a lot more bottom area that > needed to be cleaned so a wider tube would cover the area faster but > then the larger tube might not get into the cracks and crevices > between plants/ornaments as well so the 2" is a good size for all of my tanks... > although it is pretty big for the 10G tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of David Keymel > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > You are the best Lenny. My buddy wants a longer one also, so ill send > it along to him. Thanks! > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Yes, they sell the siphon tubes in lengths up to 72" (6'.. usually > > for ponds.. if I had a 6' deep tank, I'd put on my scuba gear and use the 18" > > tube. LOL). Click on the DFS link that I posted earlier, then click > > on the Accessories link and you'll see the link to the various tubes... > > or I could just do it for you. ;-) > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3902&r > > el > > =1 > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of David Keymel > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > > > > Does anyone know if you can get longer nozzles for these things? i > > want to buy one but i hate to stick my hand in the water if i can > > help it and i have a tall tank. I have a manual one now that's > > perfect size. i just need that to attach to one of these i guess.. I > > keep seeing all kinds of fitting replacements but never really > > accessories for them to adjust them for different tank types etc. > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM, <Jpateson@... > > <Jpateson%40aol.com>> > wrote: > >> Lenny, > >> > >> Thanks for the sites and tips on keeping it going.... > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >> > >> GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > >> > >> A Yahoo Shopping search of - python water change - found that > >> DrsFosterSmith.DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com has the lowest price on the 25' > >> sy system... > >> _http://shopping.http://shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shopp > >> ih<http://shopping.http//shohttp://shopphttp://shopping.http://shop > >> pih> > >> t > >> tp://&e_ > >> > >> (http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtftEEXyjwNH7izjNZeQVKEbFt0A > >> ?c > >> o > >> p=mss&e) i=UTF-8&p=Python%p=Python%<WBR>20&fr2=tab-fr2&fr=robo > >> > >> A Google Shopping search found identical results with > >> DrsFosterSmith.A having the lowest prices on both models. > >> > >> Here's the direct link to the DFS page... > >> _http://www.drsfostehttp://www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www. > >> _<http://www.drsfostehttp//www.http://www.drhttp://www.dhttp://www. > >> _> > >> (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3910 > >> ) > >> > >> You may find a used or lower price on eBay or other shopping type sites. > >> The thing to look for in used systems are cracks in the seam where > >> the top of the faucet pump connects to the venturi. I've had these > >> start to break a couple of times over the years. Now, when I buy a > >> new one, I use some epoxy to reinforce that area before using the > >> new > faucet pump. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - > >> _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_<http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_> > >> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced > >> in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > >> Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > >> [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > On Behalf Of > >> _Jpateson@... <_Jpateson%40aol.Jpa>_ (mailto:Jpateson@... > >> <Jpateson%40aol.com>) > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:32 AM > >> To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Python question, Price > >> > >> Who has the cheapest price on the Python?, 25 ft. While we are on > >> the topic of PWC, how much and often should I do a PWC on a 72 gal.? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> In a message dated 1/20/2009 2:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > >> _trinityfarms@trinityfarm_ > >> (mailto:trinityfarms@...<trinityfarms%40bendtel.net>) > writes: > >> > >> Actually I was being more selfish than green. We have water trucked > >> into a cistern and we literally pay for every drop that goes down > >> the drain (to the septic tank). When taking a shower from the > >> bathroom at the far end of the house, we run hot water into a jug > >> to use for dogs or plants or whatever so we don't waste the water > >> before the hot gets to us from the hot water heater. I remember > >> something similar to the python (actually it's the attachment to > >> the faucet that I remember) I had YEARS ago and it seemed like it > >> "wasted" a lot of water in maintaining the suction or something. > >> It's been a long time and it may have been for the water bed. > >> > >> Laurie > >> > >> From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: > >> _AquaticLif_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > >> [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticL > >> if > >> e > >> @Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > >> GoldLenny > >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:36 PM > >> To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: > >> _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > >> (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Python question > >> > >> There's no such thing as "wasting water". It's the ultimate in > >> recyclable products. Flush your toilet, drain your tub, do your PWC > >> with your Python... the water goes to a sewage recycling plant > >> where the TDS' are removed and the water is eventually is put back > >> into the natural cycle of water on earth.... water, evaporation, > >> precipitation > > (rain/snow), water... > >> and the cycle continues.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36217	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

Let's see. The rain comes down. Since it is Alaska, it freezes. To get rid of it, you guys push it out of the way toward the North Pole. Do I have that right? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo > > Oh no, where I live redefines the word rainy season. I'm in South East > Alaska, we get up to 16 FEET of rain a year (yes we get so much we > measure it in feet, we get easily a few inches of rain a day when it's > really down pouring). Temperate rain forest for you ;) > > Amber > > Leanna wrote: > > > > well thats a bummer, i bought it at petco they had it in there fish > > tanks....... it looked so nice with the fish swimming around it... > > thanks for the tips, im gunna do a little more reshuch and than i will > > probly take it out as you sugjested...sigh.. my sward tail likes it a > > lot. > > > > oh btw i live in western washington. lol deffantly NOT the right place > > for outdoor bamboo, cold and it redefines the word rainy season. > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36218	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Pondering syphon options

I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. Aren't script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files and will anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to accept a file from an unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the Word file or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documents/R ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Or Google (since the link will likely break) www.nwlamg.org/documents and it will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View as HTML" to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE favorite also. Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's not showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about using cement then also. \\Steve//, I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy or still use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. The recipe for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to the peat "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this will deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much because of the peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about the cement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber Amber, That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, the acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, available in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit on "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the link. www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > How much does it affect the pH? > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular > > back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and > > said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still > > seems to be available, though there is not much info about using it. > > It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is > > not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > > 1827 > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > > +1827> > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > 278 > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36220	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

Or build really BIG snowmen. But since Amber lives on the Gilligan's Island of Alaska, they just push all the snow into the water and then if floods down here. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo Let's see. The rain comes down. Since it is Alaska, it freezes. To get rid of it, you guys push it out of the way toward the North Pole. Do I have that right? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo > > Oh no, where I live redefines the word rainy season. I'm in South East > Alaska, we get up to 16 FEET of rain a year (yes we get so much we > measure it in feet, we get easily a few inches of rain a day when it's > really down pouring). Temperate rain forest for you ;) > > Amber > > Leanna wrote: > > > > well thats a bummer, i bought it at petco they had it in there fish > > tanks....... it looked so nice with the fish swimming around it... > > thanks for the tips, im gunna do a little more reshuch and than i will > > probly take it out as you sugjested...sigh.. my sward tail likes it a > > lot. > > > > oh btw i live in western washington. lol deffantly NOT the right place > > for outdoor bamboo, cold and it redefines the word rainy season.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36221	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and others. For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with little or no drips or spills. Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' Python on sale for right now. Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36222	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

hey guys, not sure how safe it is, but at the local hardware stores, there is the styrofoam sealant? in a can, you could control the flow and create your own rocks around your PVC pipe caves? the product is called Great Stuff. http://greatstuff.dow.com/greatstuff/diy/index.htm I have used it for insulation, but I have no idea about safety in an aquarium. Since you were talking about sealing it with some epoxy etc? you could possibly avoid carving it if you controlled the flow ? just a thought, if this is bad shout back to me, it sounds like a pretty cool project. especially considering the cost of that cruddy looking stuff the lfs sell.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36223	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Hi Deb, I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you question is about? I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to make sure the replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem to love it as the tank has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some Chloromine canceller just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all sucked out the bottom of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live bearers like Guppies. That seems to be the most of the aggravation. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36224	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Sam, It would be better to add your dechlor product to the tank before you start the refilling process.. or at least during the refill. Even a small amount of chloramine/chlorine could harm the fishes gills. It wouldn't instantly harm the biological filtration but if you take more than a few minutes to refill the tank and then add the dechlor, then it could start to harm the nitrifying bacteria as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Palermo Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options Hi Deb, I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you question is about? I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to make sure the replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem to love it as the tank has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some Chloromine canceller just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all sucked out the bottom of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live bearers like Guppies. That seems to be the most of the aggravation. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36225	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are the politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding him by generations. A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care of most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect the lime would have. I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've never used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have been the reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit more orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The drawback with lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, against which, the fish may injure themselves. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. Aren't > script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files and will > anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to accept a file from an > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the Word file > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen ts/R > ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) www.nwlamg.org/documents and it > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View as HTML" > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE favorite also. > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's not > showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about using cement > then also. > > \\Steve//, > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy or still > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. The recipe > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to the peat > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this will > deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much because of the > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about the cement. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Amber, > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, the > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, available > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit on > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State > Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the link. > www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > How much does it affect the pH? > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular > > > back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and > > > said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still > > > seems to be available, though there is not much info about using it. > > > It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is > > > not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > > > 1827 > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > > > +1827> > > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > > 278 > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > > > Deb P. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36226	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fishtank Bamboo

Actually this time of year it's freezing the rain into sheets of ice on driveways and roads (ugh), not sure where they put all the snow we just got a couple weeks ago, but they had piles and piles of it around town in various parking lots and such. I would have just dumped it into the ocean, it'll help with all those melting ice bergs right? LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Let's see. The rain comes down. Since it is Alaska, it freezes. To get > rid of it, you guys push it out of the way toward the North Pole. Do I > have that right? > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishtank Bamboo > > > > Oh no, where I live redefines the word rainy season. I'm in South East > > Alaska, we get up to 16 FEET of rain a year (yes we get so much we > > measure it in feet, we get easily a few inches of rain a day when it's > > really down pouring). Temperate rain forest for you ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Leanna wrote: > > > > > > well thats a bummer, i bought it at petco they had it in there fish > > > tanks....... it looked so nice with the fish swimming around it... > > > thanks for the tips, im gunna do a little more reshuch and than i > will > > > probly take it out as you sugjested...sigh.. my sward tail likes it > a > > > lot. > > > > > > oh btw i live in western washington. lol deffantly NOT the right > place > > > for outdoor bamboo, cold and it redefines the word rainy season. > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36227	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: hi need some help

hi I don't post much and was passing time when I stumbled acrossed your question. I had thought about using sand in my frog tank but worried about the problems it might cause for the filters. I got out of the shower one day and noticed for the first time the kind of substrate my jade plant was in. it was itty bitty stones. Looked on some plant sites found out it was simply called grit, but none of the garden centers around here sold any in large quantities. Then found out they make a grit for chickens made of crushed granite. works well for the frogs, but it is white/grey in color though so it might not work for you.but if you an find any place that sells grit for house plants you could find stuff thats more natural looking and smoother. erika wilmington, de, usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "mike ask n i might tell u my lastname" <camaro86_74467@...> wrote: > > hi everyone. i have a question. i was wondering if i can use pavestone > play sand in my tank? ifso how much do i use? (tank is a 55 gallon with > marinie land filters) i was planning on having 5 african cichlids and > one stripped raphel in the tank, maybe also a pleco. thanks in advance > for the help. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36228	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

In a message dated 1/23/2009 9:41:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: How much does it affect the pH? Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular back > in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and said to be > "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still seems to be > available, though there is not much info about using it. It can be used > to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is not a good choice > for those of you with an acid water tank. > > \\Steve// the only thing I can think of named "tufa" is hypertufa, it's carvable but it would definitely NOT be a good idea in an aquarium.... It's great on gardens, thou. _http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/hypertufa/_ (http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/hypertufa/) Enid "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36229	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. I was just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I would think it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source water level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny mentioned. I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it would be powering an aquarium toy 24/7. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options Hi Deb, I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you question is about? I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to make sure the replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem to love it as the tank has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some Chloromine canceller just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all sucked out the bottom of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live bearers like Guppies. That seems to be the most of the aggravation. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36230	From: giuseppesalvato	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: How to treat fungus.

I have 1 cory with fungus and 1 rosy tetra with a small white fungus on its mouth. Other fish in the tank don't show any evident sign of fungus. A couple of weeks ago I treated the entire tank with Melafix and it seems to have improved things a lot. However the fungus is not gone and today I noticed a lot of cotton like fungus on one of the cory's fins. I'd appreciate if you could give me some advice on the following points: - Would you suggest isolating the affected fish in a hospital tank or treat the entire tank where the fish are now living with their friends? On one side I'm afraid that treating the big tank would affect the nitrifing bacteria, on the other side I think that if I don't treat a fish that seems to be fine but is instead hosting the fungus would re-start things from square 1 in a matter of time. - Is there any medication you would recommend? Anything that you tried or heard works well and possibly does not affect bacteria? Thank you, Giuseppe

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36231	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

The whole thing was a bit mind boggling by the time I looked at all of those articles and opinions. I was going to be pretty darned impressed if you came to an opinion about the issue! Actually, I was pretty impressed that you figured out what you needed for wattage so quickly and you even showed your work in the message. : )  I didn't see anyone correct the work so I think you got it right. I hope you got the color spectrum you wanted with the bulbs. Deb P. --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the bulbs that came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what kind they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an incredible > thread of e-mails to follow! > > Deb P. > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was not very > > good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from > > MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging > > everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would > > still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory > > that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has > > foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the > > plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, > > and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 > > gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I > > wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection > > for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other > > bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square > > pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) > > The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included > > adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed > > to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > > > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt that the > > > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too used to > > > going by watts to determine everything. > > > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > > > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), we now > > > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > > > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm gonna > > > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > > > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > > > wish me luck ;) LOL. > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > > > it made > > > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? Lux = > > > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > > > light > > > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if it's > > > > 10' or > > > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a > kitchen > > > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a factory, > > > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > > > fixtures > > > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > > > equal > > > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting > over the > > > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > > > lights > > > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > opinions > > > > there might be ;) > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > > > where, I'm > > > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > > > lumens, > > > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > > > we go, > > > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the > type > > > > of > > > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my > tank, does > > > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 plant > > > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue > actinic > > > > > light. > > > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most regular > > > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may > actually > > > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spec>> > > > > trum- > > > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe> > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > 38014-lighting- spe>> > > > > ctrum- > > > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in > determining the > > > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different sorts of > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p > = Low > > > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, you'll > > > > not > > > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you > know, > > > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a train > > > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > hear any > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right spectrum > > > > to > > > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue and are > > > > just a > > > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > > switches > > > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > of them > > > > at > > > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want > ;). I > > > > was > > > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > after > > > > the > > > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > > shelter > > > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still have > > > > enough > > > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input would > > > > be > > > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream > setup uses > > > > CO2, > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > least > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 > watts of > > > > CFL > > > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray > Charles type > > > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a time, > > > > that > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It > seems that > > > > > > the rapid > > > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > agitation > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't researched > > > > > > this. This > > > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > > > long > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > > > Maybe you > > > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions to see > > > > how the > > > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would see if > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. html> > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an introduction > > > > and > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > > > about > > > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google search > > > > for the > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt bulbs > > > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > > > could > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > > > watts > > > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though > right? I > > > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > > > getting will be > > > > > > suspended > > > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the light > > > > than the > > > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have a HOB > > > > filter > > > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36232	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump can lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the top of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, it would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your tank. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. I was > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I would think > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source water > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny mentioned. > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it would be > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > > Hi Deb, > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you question > is about? > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to make > sure the > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem to > love it as the tank > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > Chloromine canceller > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all sucked > out the bottom > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > bearers like Guppies. > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > Best regards, > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36233	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae- Dwarf Frogs

Dwarf Frogs do not eat algae. They eat worms, freshwater fish if you can give them little bites of the stuff, and even a little flake food. Some people give them Frog Bites in addition, but frozen or fresh worms should be a part of their diet. The hair algae can take over your tank if you are not careful. I definitely would take out the plants and scrub them good. If they are fake you can use bleach on them and rinse them extra, extra good. You'll also have to get it off of the rocks, etc. But you do need to figure out the source of the algae. A real possibility for the source is the algae wafers since neither the betta nor the frog will eat really it. It just sits in the bottom and doesn't contribute anything positive to the tank. I would stop adding them to the tank. Also, what about swapping those fake plants with real plants to help with the problem? Seems you mentioned that you had some plants in other tanks? Good luck! Deb --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do actually). Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a hair cut once in a while. It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" timeframe, he also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch him ;) LOL. I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae- Dwarf Frogs

Yes I have all the real plants downstairs. In the 10 gallon (which is where the abused plants are until I can replant them), and in the 125 gallon most of the plants are planted. I have mostly anubias, but there are a few unknowns that melted when I upped the salt and temp, but they came back after I lowered the temps. I also have a couple of "onion plants" (that's what the LFS called them), I haven't figured out exactly which one they are, but the fish don't eat them and they grow great, so I kept them, LOL. I want to get some more plants but the LFS has a terrible selection and sometimes I have to wait weeks or more for even a new order to be placed for plants. This time the owner ordered and he doesn't know what he's doing with the plants so they have some hard to grow ones, so I waited for now to get more plants. I definitely want to add some easy to grow ones in the betta tank, just haven't found any more easy ones out at the LFS so far :( I will also stop feeding the wafers, I wasn't sure if the frog ate it or not, but saw the betta eating it so fed one now and then. I will stick to the flakes and frozen foods like I've been feeding. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Dwarf Frogs do not eat algae. They eat worms, freshwater fish if you > can give them little bites of the stuff, and even a little flake food. > Some people give them Frog Bites in addition, but frozen or fresh > worms should be a part of their diet. > > The hair algae can take over your tank if you are not careful. I > definitely would take out the plants and scrub them good. If they are > fake you can use bleach on them and rinse them extra, extra good. > You'll also have to get it off of the rocks, etc. But you do need to > figure out the source of the algae. A real possibility for the source > is the algae wafers since neither the betta nor the frog will eat > really it. It just sits in the bottom and doesn't contribute anything > positive to the tank. I would stop adding them to the tank. Also, what > about swapping those fake plants with real plants to help with the > problem? Seems you mentioned that you had some plants in other tanks? > > Good luck! > Deb > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > > actually). Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on > > and scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give > > it a hair cut once in a while. It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf > > frog tank and it doesn't seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I > > swear it's trying to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't > > think I'm overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well > > after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if > > it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants then I > > will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I > > usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on > > the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank > > (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually > > once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch > > him ;) LOL. I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have > > very small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me > > know. The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36235	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Yeah I didn't see anyone correct me either, so I figured I had gotten my algebra right ;) LOL. I never was that good at it, but I understand the basics. The one thing I got out of all the articles is that the most important factor to all the light bulbs for plants is what color in the spectrum they produce. You want red and blue mixed for the best results, so when you look at the bulbs and their packaging they have a little color chart on them somewhere that will show you how much red and blue the bulb produces, a lot of bulbs emit green but it's not needed by plants it's just reflected back off of them, so they just look greener in contrast, really doesn't benefit them. Someone else in that forum/article also stated that the actinic lights are not the right spectrum of blue either, but they never stated exactly what was ;) LOL. I think the mid range bulbs are the most popular (the ones that advertise as somewhere in the 5000 to 7500 kelvin, but you still have to look at the box because each bulb is designed differently and they produce different colors depending how they are made). So much to consider, LOL. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > The whole thing was a bit mind boggling by the time I looked at all of > those articles and opinions. I was going to be pretty darned impressed > if you came to an opinion about the issue! Actually, I was pretty > impressed that you figured out what you needed for wattage so quickly > and you even showed your work in the message. : ) I didn't see anyone > correct the work so I think you got it right. > > I hope you got the color spectrum you wanted with the bulbs. > > Deb P. > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. > > But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the bulbs that > > came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what kind > > they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an incredible > > > thread of e-mails to follow! > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was not > very > > > > > > good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from > > > > > > MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging > > > > > > everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would > > > > > > still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory > > > > > > that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has > > > > > > foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the > > > > > > plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, > > > > > > and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 > > > > > > gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I > > > > > > wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection > > > > > > for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other > > > > > > bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square > > > > > > pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) > > > > > > The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included > > > > > > adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed > > > > > > to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > > > > > > > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt > that the > > > > > > > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too > used to > > > > > > > going by watts to determine everything. > > > > > > > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > > > > > > > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), > we now > > > > > > > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > > > > > > > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm > gonna > > > > > > > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > > > > > > > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > > > > > > > wish me luck ;) LOL. > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > > > > > > > it made > > > > > > > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? > Lux = > > > > > > > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if > it's > > > > > > > > 10' or > > > > > > > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a > > > kitchen > > > > > > > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a > factory, > > > > > > > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > > > > > > > fixtures > > > > > > > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > > > > > > > equal > > > > > > > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting > > > over the > > > > > > > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > > > > > > > lights > > > > > > > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > > > > > > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > > > > > > > where, I'm > > > > > > > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > > > > > > > lumens, > > > > > > > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > > > > > > > we go, > > > > > > > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > > > > > > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the > > > type > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my > > > tank, does > > > > > > > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > > > > > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 > plant > > > > > > > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue > > > actinic > > > > > > > > > light. > > > > > > > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > > > > > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > > > > > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most > regular > > > > > > > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spec>> > > > > > > > > trum- > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > 38014-lighting- spe>> > > > > > > > > ctrum- > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > > > > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in > > > determining the > > > > > > > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different > sorts of > > > > > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p > > > = Low > > > > > > > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > > > > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, > you'll > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you > > > know, > > > > > > > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a > train > > > > > > > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > > > hear any > > > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right > spectrum > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue > and are > > > > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > > > > > > switches > > > > > > > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > > of them > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want > > > ;). I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > > > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > > after > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > > > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > > > > > > shelter > > > > > > > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > have > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > > > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream > > > setup uses > > > > > > > > CO2, > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > > least > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 > > > watts of > > > > > > > > CFL > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray > > > Charles type > > > > > > > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > > > > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a > time, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It > > > seems that > > > > > > > > > > the rapid > > > > > > > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > > > > > agitation > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > researched > > > > > > > > > > this. This > > > > > > > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > > > > > > > Maybe you > > > > > > > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions > to see > > > > > > > > how the > > > > > > > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > > > > > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > > > com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > > > com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > hear any > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would > see if > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > html> > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an > introduction > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google > search > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt > bulbs > > > > > > > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > > > > > > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > > > > > > > watts > > > > > > > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though > > > right? I > > > > > > > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > > > > > > > getting will be > > > > > > > > > > suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the > light > > > > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have > a HOB > > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36236	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Powder Blue dwarf grami

anna here i was wondering if i could add a PB dwarf grami to my tank with out over populating. i have a 10gallon and my current fish are 2 guppys 1 neon 1 high fin black tetra 1 beta 1 swardtail and 1 cory cat what do you think, would it be to much???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36237	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That particular pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was what you call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to it and a head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you think of this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=8164 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump can lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the top of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, it would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your tank. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. I was > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I would think > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source water > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny mentioned. > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it would be > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@...> > > Hi Deb, > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you question > is about? > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to make > sure the > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem to > love it as the tank > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > Chloromine canceller > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all sucked > out the bottom > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > bearers like Guppies. > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > Best regards, > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Yes that's too much, powder blue gourami's get several inches at least, they should be in a 20 gallon or larger typically, not to mention they can be territorial and pick on other fish. Not to mention you have some fish that like to be in groups and other fish that can be alone. Tetra's like to be in groups of 5 or more, and I'm pretty sure swordtail's get 4 inches that fish is a bit big for your tank if that's the case. Cory's also like to be in groups, in that small of a tank you can't do that unless you wanted only 1 group of cory's. You should stick to either single species or one group, I think someone else already said all this too and you didn't listen to them, so hope I don't get ignored too. Good luck, Amber Leanna wrote: > > anna here > > i was wondering if i could add a PB dwarf grami to my tank with out > over populating. i have a 10gallon and my current fish are 2 guppys 1 > neon 1 high fin black tetra 1 beta 1 swardtail and 1 cory cat > > what do you think, would it be to much??? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36239	From: Leanna	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

i hurd lenny when he said i should get more neons, i tried but they all died. i dont know y this ones alive. iv tryed altering my water pramiters the pet store says my waters grate. all my other fish are helthy and have actuly improved in apperince since i bought them(so i assume that means there healthy) iv eaven alterd my water temp just incase my thermomiters wrong it says its at 74. and that dident help eather. its realy sad becuse i love neons. if you have any idas on how to help my little morph get some buddys let me know. it whont be falling on def ears.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36240	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Purigen

I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36241	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Does the fish store test your ammonia? How often do you clean your filter and what do you do when you clean it? Amber Leanna wrote: > > i hurd lenny when he said i should get more neons, i tried but they all > died. i dont know y this ones alive. iv tryed altering my water > pramiters the pet store says my waters grate. all my other fish are > helthy and have actuly improved in apperince since i bought them(so i > assume that means there healthy) iv eaven alterd my water temp just > incase my thermomiters wrong it says its at 74. and that dident help > eather. its realy sad becuse i love neons. > > if you have any idas on how to help my little morph get some buddys let > me know. it whont be falling on def ears. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36242	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too bad, as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - > wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

I think they should sell an optional all brass piece to replace the plastic one, or just sell it as an all brass kit (but I'm sure it'd be spendy). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but > low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but > then > certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to > fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all > brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from > Python and > others. > > For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python > doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with > each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the > way up > or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G > buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into > the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill > the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump > that > into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 > minutes with > little or no drips or spills. > > Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I > used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and > would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more > tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that > pump > and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, > you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' > Python on sale for right now. > > Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to > GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop > dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36244	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

I wonder if we could find something like the python siphon by searching the professional lawn care industry. I mean we can get bottles of fertilizer and pesticide with plastic tops that attach to the lawn hose. Maybe the professionals have metal attachments that could be adapted for aquarium use? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and others. For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with little or no drips or spills. Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' Python on sale for right now. Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36245	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on the background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in the middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy did. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link them, also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses and go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the other direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to the intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered with the fake rock background that I'm going to make. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are the > politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding him by > generations. > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care of > most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect the lime > would have. > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've never > used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have been the > reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit more > orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The drawback with > lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, against which, the > fish may injure themselves. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. Aren't > > script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files and will > > anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to accept a file > from an > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the Word > file > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> > ts/R > > ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) www.nwlamg.org/documents > and it > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View as > HTML" > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE favorite > also. > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's not > > showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about using > cement > > then also. > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy or > still > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. The > recipe > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to the > peat > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this will > > deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much because of > the > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about the > cement. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > Amber, > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, > the > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > available > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit > on > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State > > Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the > link. > > www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > How much does it affect the pH? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular > > > > back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and > > > > said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still > > > > seems to be available, though there is not much info about using > it. > > > > It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is > > > > not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+> > > > > 1827 > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024> > > > > +1827> > > > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > > > 278 > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36246	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and siphoning until it was light enough to lift. I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the water in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running dry for way too long. Hmmmmm DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and others. For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with little or no drips or spills. Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' Python on sale for right now. Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36247	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Rubbermaid sells a dolly that you can attach their 32 gallon and larger food safe garbage cans to. Many an LFS uses this setup. I stole the idea from them and have a rubbermaid dolly with a 32 gallon can. One LFS. has a drain pipe in the bottom of their can that sticks out at a 90 degree angle with a valve. They simply fill the can and wheel it over to a drain and crank open the valve and dump the old water. Just as easily dump it on the lawn if you are so inclined. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and siphoning until it was light enough to lift. I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the water in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running dry for way too long. Hmmmmm DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and others. For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with little or no drips or spills. Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' Python on sale for right now. Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to GoldLen ny, P.O. Box... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in=2 0Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36248	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Would you be running the tubing for a long distance or will they be level and next to each other? I'm not sure about which is better myself, but I would think that placement of the tub that you are taking water from should have an impact. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G > Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and > siphoning until it was light enough to lift. > > I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to > the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the > water > in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running > dry for way too long. Hmmmmm > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but > low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but > then > certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to > fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all > brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from > Python and > others. > > For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python > doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with > each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the > way up > or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G > buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into > the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill > the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump > that > into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 > minutes with > little or no drips or spills. > > Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I > used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and > would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more > tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that > pump > and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, > you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' > Python on sale for right now. > > Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to > GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop > dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36249	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too bad, > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36250	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are typically not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of light, so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or wood or ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow slow. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble on. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's > > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it > > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too bad, > > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - > >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36251	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

A simple answer would be "No" due to all of the other stocking issues that you currently have. What are your plans for the tetras? They should each be in schools of six or more but your 10G tank isn't large enough for two schools. Are you just planning on keeping single specimens until they die off? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Paracheirodon_innesi.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gymnocorymbus_ternetzi.html Do you know which species of Corydoras that you have? There are over 150 species and range in size from 1" to nearly 5". Here are some of the commonly available species and you can click the "Pictures" links to find pics and try to identify which species you have. Corys are also shoaling fish and prefer to be in groups. If you have the 1" species, then you could fill out that shoal but if you have one of the larger species, your 10G would not be large enough for even a single specimen. http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm Here are some profiles/care sheets/articles on the Dwarf Gourami to give you some reliable info on them. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Colisa_lalia.html (note that your Betta is not a "suggested companion" and this is likely due to them both being mostly upper tank dwellers, labyrinth fish and bubble nesters so they may fight over the limited territory of a 10G tank.) http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 428 http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_lalia.php (4 pages of comments) So... all of the above considered, no, the Dwarf Gourami is not a suitable tank mate at present. If you are ready to rehome some fish and change your tank stocking, then you could start with a Dwarf Gourami as a centerpiece fish with a school of neon or cardinal tetras which would then fully stock the tank or use Hailey's 10G tank stocking suggestions article on my blog for many other ideas on stocking your 10G tank for long term success. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking-list.h tml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Powder Blue dwarf grami anna here i was wondering if i could add a PB dwarf grami to my tank with out over populating. i have a 10gallon and my current fish are 2 guppys 1 neon 1 high fin black tetra 1 beta 1 swardtail and 1 cory cat what do you think, would it be to much???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to stay in the water all of the time. See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Purigen I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36253	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Well, in my experience, it's only the small venturi cone that is a weak spot and probably, if one is very careful in not pulling on the hose when the faucet valve is connected, it would not break but you know how us guys are... Ugh, Ugh.. me caveman!... but I have found others with the problem as well. Unfortunately, Python doesn't sell just that one part which could be replaced so they force me to buy a new faucet pump (or the kind for waterbeds at Wal-Mart or other online sources that are usually cheaper than the Python brand). So far, this last one has lasted me a long time but I did reinforce the area that tends to break by painting on some 2-part epoxy before ever using it the first time. I probably do less caveman pulling also so I don't have to waste another seven bucks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I wonder if we could find something like the python siphon by searching the professional lawn care industry. I mean we can get bottles of fertilizer and pesticide with plastic tops that attach to the lawn hose. Maybe the professionals have metal attachments that could be adapted for aquarium use? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and others. For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with little or no drips or spills. Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' Python on sale for right now. Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop dolly and roll the water into the room: http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something better (other than the Python)? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36254	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.

Melafix is a mild antibacterial and will not help with actual fungi issues BUT some things that appear to be a fungus can actually be bacterial but even then, I don't think Melafix would be the appropriate cure although it might help a little. It's always best to treat sick fish in a hospital tank. One, you can observe them better and possibly prevent the spread of the disease. Second, sick fish will often be harassed by healthy fish as part of basic Darwinism (survival of the fittest). Third, you will not have to use as much volume of medicine so you can save some money. Most of the medicines available to consumers are usually tested to do little harm to the nitrifying bacteria and will usually say they do in bold if they do. How big is your main tank? What other fish do you have in it? What country do you live in and do you have easy access to most fish meds? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of giuseppesalvato Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How to treat fungus. I have 1 cory with fungus and 1 rosy tetra with a small white fungus on its mouth. Other fish in the tank don't show any evident sign of fungus. A couple of weeks ago I treated the entire tank with Melafix and it seems to have improved things a lot. However the fungus is not gone and today I noticed a lot of cotton like fungus on one of the cory's fins. I'd appreciate if you could give me some advice on the following points: - Would you suggest isolating the affected fish in a hospital tank or treat the entire tank where the fish are now living with their friends? On one side I'm afraid that treating the big tank would affect the nitrifing bacteria, on the other side I think that if I don't treat a fish that seems to be fine but is instead hosting the fungus would re-start things from square 1 in a matter of time. - Is there any medication you would recommend? Anything that you tried or heard works well and possibly does not affect bacteria? Thank you, Giuseppe ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36255	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live plants? You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them every week or so. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do actually). Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a hair cut once in a while. It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" timeframe, he also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch him ;) LOL. I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36256	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

The sink attachment portion of it is the same as we have for the waterbed, so you might check that out. Laurie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options I wonder if we could find something like the python siphon by searching the professional lawn care industry. I mean we can get bottles of fertilizer and pesticide with plastic tops that attach to the lawn hose. Maybe the professionals have metal attachments that could be adapted for aquarium use? DebR and the Three Goldfish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36257	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

There would be a 4' rise at least. I rethought that and I don't think the filter I have is strong enough. It has to work to get rid of the air bubble just hanging on the back of the aquarium. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > Would you be running the tubing for a long distance or will they be > level and next to each other? I'm not sure about which is better myself, > but I would think that placement of the tub that you are taking water > from should have an impact. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G >> Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and >> siphoning until it was light enough to lift. >> >> I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to >> the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the >> water >> in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running >> dry for way too long. Hmmmmm >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options >> >> You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but >> low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but >> then >> certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to >> fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all >> brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from >> Python and >> others. >> >> For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the >> Python >> doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water >> with >> each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the >> way up >> or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G >> buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into >> the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill >> the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump >> that >> into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 >> minutes with >> little or no drips or spills. >> >> Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, >> I >> used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds >> and >> would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more >> tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that >> pump >> and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, >> you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' >> Python on sale for right now. >> >> Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks >> to >> GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options >> >> I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh >> water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop >> dolly and roll the water into the room: >> http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web >> <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> >> >> Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something >> better (other than the Python)? >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36258	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on it, so it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try to keep the tank light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live plants in the tank yet, I plan on adding those as soon as the LFS gets a better selection. It definately has a algae promoting light on it, none of the lower decorations have an algae but the upper parts of all the fake plants are covered in the hair algae. I've stopped the algae wafers in the feeding regime and will stick to the meaty foods. Will just have to keep the algae wafers on hand for when I get the pleco's :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > plants? > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is the > frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within five > minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or it's not > something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I think the ADF's > are also... but check this out to make sure... but they both still need a > balanced diet so they won't go after an algae wafer like a pleco or other > omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae wafers will not cause algae per > se but > if left to dissolve into the gravel and then as it decays, it would > certainly raise the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > it's not > being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column and can > contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but the best > thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't been > eaten in > five minutes or less... unless it's something like a cucumber slice or > zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for > much longer than five minutes. > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when you > do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding and the > food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is only > growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets the most > light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat rocks on a > shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back of the tank up > close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then you could transfer > these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them every week or so. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > from > a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do actually). > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub them > in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to watch > flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned about it > then I > may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a hair cut once in a > while. > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem to > bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take over the > top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the tank, a > couple > times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf > frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles > the algae wafer, but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on > the plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > tiny bit > of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > (once a > day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > timeframe, he > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank > (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually > once > or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch him > ;) LOL. > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > flakes I > only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a few small > flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the frozen foods, > like a > couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36259	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these spots). I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the loaches get picked on or anything). I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > plants? > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is the > frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within five > minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or it's not > something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I think the ADF's > are also... but check this out to make sure... but they both still need a > balanced diet so they won't go after an algae wafer like a pleco or other > omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae wafers will not cause algae per > se but > if left to dissolve into the gravel and then as it decays, it would > certainly raise the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > it's not > being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column and can > contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but the best > thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't been > eaten in > five minutes or less... unless it's something like a cucumber slice or > zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for > much longer than five minutes. > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when you > do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding and the > food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is only > growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets the most > light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat rocks on a > shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back of the tank up > close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then you could transfer > these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them every week or so. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > from > a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do actually). > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub them > in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to watch > flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned about it > then I > may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a hair cut once in a > while. > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem to > bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take over the > top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the tank, a > couple > times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf > frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles > the algae wafer, but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on > the plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > tiny bit > of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > (once a > day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > timeframe, he > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs tank > (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit usually > once > or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when I watch him > ;) LOL. > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > flakes I > only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a few small > flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the frozen foods, > like a > couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36260	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.

It appears that you are fighting two different things. The fungus on the cory is likely to be fungus, and the "fungus" on the rosy tetra is really a bacterial disease. You'll need to separate the two fish into two tanks to treat them. Water parameters in each should closely match those found in the main tank. Once the rosy tetra is in its quarantine, slowly reduce the temperature to about 74^o F. Columnaris, the bacteria that causes mouth fungus, does not grow well when the temperature is under 76. Salt the quarantine at the rate of 3 teaspoons per 5 gallons. Kanacyn is a recommended treatment, as it will treat both the columaris and an associated bacteria, Aeromonas, that may be present as well. Follow the full course of treatment. The fungus you report on your cory is probably a true fungus. Treat with malachite green, following the instructions included with the packaging. Malachite green is a dye, so be careful when using it. I am not a fan of melafix nor pimafix despite the glowing anecdotal evidence given for these "treatments" and the fact that they are often pushed as cure-alls for what ails your tank. There are also a good number of reports where the outcome of using these products have had less than the desired effect on the fish, sometimes leading to the death of the fish. You need to determine the problem with the fish, and then treat appropriately. You do not tell us any of your water parameters, the size of your tank, and the fish that are residing in your tank. These are important pieces of information to have when determining problems you may be having. I would suspect there are problems with your water chemistry because both problems you are having are often precipitated by poor water quality, and that will need to be fixed as well. Whenever you need to medicate fish, as well as other pets and yourself, follow the full course of treatment as outlined in the instructions that come with the medication. Failure to do so only leads to stronger strains of the disease causing organisms, which make it more difficult to eradicate them the next time around. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > giuseppesalvato > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to treat fungus. > > I have 1 cory with fungus and 1 rosy tetra with a small white fungus > on its mouth. Other fish in the tank don't show any evident sign of > fungus. > A couple of weeks ago I treated the entire tank with Melafix and it > seems to have improved things a lot. However the fungus is not gone > and today I noticed a lot of cotton like fungus on one of the cory's fins. > I'd appreciate if you could give me some advice on the following points: > - Would you suggest isolating the affected fish in a hospital tank or > treat the entire tank where the fish are now living with their > friends? On one side I'm afraid that treating the big tank would > affect the nitrifing bacteria, on the other side I think that if I > don't treat a fish that seems to be fine but is instead hosting the > fungus would re-start things from square 1 in a matter of time. > - Is there any medication you would recommend? Anything that you tried > or heard works well and possibly does not affect bacteria? > > Thank you, > Giuseppe > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

You could also try some floating plants like Anacharis which would help suck up some of the nutrients but would also block some of the lighting.... or you could rig up some way of hanging flat rocks near the top of that tank so they grow the algae and then you simply rotate them to the Hillstream tank as I mentioned earlier. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on it, so it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try to keep the tank light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live plants in the tank yet, I plan on adding those as soon as the LFS gets a better selection. It definately has a algae promoting light on it, none of the lower decorations have an algae but the upper parts of all the fake plants are covered in the hair algae. I've stopped the algae wafers in the feeding regime and will stick to the meaty foods. Will just have to keep the algae wafers on hand for when I get the pleco's :) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > plants? > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is > the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within > five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or > it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I > think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but > they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae > wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae > wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the > gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste > levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but > the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't > been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a > cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they > will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when > you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding > and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat > rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back > of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then > you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them every week or so. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > actually). > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub > them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to > watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned > about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a > hair cut once in a while. > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem > to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take > over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the > tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not > sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 > months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the > problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting > them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a > day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to > give the betta a "clean out the system" > timeframe, he > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when > I watch him > ;) LOL. > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a > few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36262	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

The actinic actually do provide light in the proper blue area of the spectrum to be beneficial to chlorophyll production, but chlorophyll also needs a peak in the red section of the spectrum, and that should be provided by another bulb. I believe that one of the links provided earlier in this thread shows that in a chart. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) > > Yeah I didn't see anyone correct me either, so I figured I had gotten my > algebra right ;) LOL. I never was that good at it, but I understand the > basics. > The one thing I got out of all the articles is that the most important > factor to all the light bulbs for plants is what color in the spectrum > they produce. You want red and blue mixed for the best results, so when > you look at the bulbs and their packaging they have a little color chart > on them somewhere that will show you how much red and blue the bulb > produces, a lot of bulbs emit green but it's not needed by plants it's > just reflected back off of them, so they just look greener in contrast, > really doesn't benefit them. Someone else in that forum/article also > stated that the actinic lights are not the right spectrum of blue > either, but they never stated exactly what was ;) LOL. I think the mid > range bulbs are the most popular (the ones that advertise as somewhere > in the 5000 to 7500 kelvin, but you still have to look at the box > because each bulb is designed differently and they produce different > colors depending how they are made). So much to consider, LOL. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > The whole thing was a bit mind boggling by the time I looked at all of > > those articles and opinions. I was going to be pretty darned impressed > > if you came to an opinion about the issue! Actually, I was pretty > > impressed that you figured out what you needed for wattage so quickly > > and you even showed your work in the message. : ) I didn't see anyone > > correct the work so I think you got it right. > > > > I hope you got the color spectrum you wanted with the bulbs. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. > > > > But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the bulbs that > > > > came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what kind > > > > they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an incredible > > > > > thread of e-mails to follow! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was not > > very > > > > > > > > > > good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from > > > > > > > > > > MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging > > > > > > > > > > everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it would > > > > > > > > > > still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the factory > > > > > > > > > > that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so it has > > > > > > > > > > foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the > > > > > > > > > > plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs cool, > > > > > > > > > > and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my 55 > > > > > > > > > > gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the bulbs, I > > > > > > > > > > wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better selection > > > > > > > > > > for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other > > > > > > > > > > bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from square > > > > > > > > > > pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included > > > > > > > > > > adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are supposed > > > > > > > > > > to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too > > used to > > > > > > > > > > > going by watts to determine everything. > > > > > > > > > > > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a small > > > > > > > > > > > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), > > we now > > > > > > > > > > > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled before I > > > > > > > > > > > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. I'm > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage making > > > > > > > > > > > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the project, so > > > > > > > > > > > wish me luck ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this article, > > > > > > > > > > > it made > > > > > > > > > > > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic meter? > > Lux = > > > > > > > > > > > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, if the > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than if > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > 10' or > > > > > > > > > > > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that a > > > > > kitchen > > > > > > > > > > > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a > > factory, > > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of such > > > > > > > > > > > > fixtures > > > > > > > > > > > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more than an > > > > > > > > > > > equal > > > > > > > > > > > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the lighting > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen ceiling > > > > > > > > > > > lights > > > > > > > > > > > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light has to > > > > > > > > > > > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, just > > > > > > > > > > > > where, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the lux, not > > > > > > > > > > > > lumens, > > > > > > > > > > > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. Ah, here > > > > > > > > > > > > we go, > > > > > > > > > > > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > > > > > > > > > > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on the > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my > > > > > tank, does > > > > > > > > > > > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the 2 > > plant > > > > > > > > > > > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of blue > > > > > actinic > > > > > > > > > > > > > light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just fine or > > > > > > > > > > > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most > > regular > > > > > > > > > > > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec>> > > > > > > > > > > > > trum- > > > > > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ctrum- > > > > > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in > > > > > determining the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed where p > > > > > = Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 Moderate to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae come, > > you'll > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text (you > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and a > > train > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is president?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > > > > > hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right > > spectrum > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 separate > > > > > > > > > > > > switches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use all > > > > > of them > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't want > > > > > ;). I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn and dusk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off just > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night viewing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to help > > > > > > > > > > > > shelter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet still > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any input > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream > > > > > setup uses > > > > > > > > > > > > CO2, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does at > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 > > > > > watts of > > > > > > > > > > > > CFL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray > > > > > Charles type > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at a > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It > > > > > seems that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rapid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much surface > > > > > > > > > > > > agitation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > researched > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in order as > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions > > to see > > > > > > > > > > > > how the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a CO2 > > > > > > > > > > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > > hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would > > see if > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ AK01051.html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% 7EAK01051. > > > > > html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an > > introduction > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see more > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful for FW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 watt > > bulbs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights if I > > > > > > > > > > > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon though > > > > > right? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to the > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't have > > a HOB > > > > > > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36263	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to put them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher (before the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the dishwasher tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it would more easily soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a piece of slate screwed to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a base for the driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it submerged during the curing/soaking stage. If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with the bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of your tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the slate. I found this out from experience. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these spots). I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the loaches get picked on or anything). I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > plants? > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is > the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within > five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or > it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I > think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but > they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae > wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae > wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the > gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste > levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but > the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't > been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a > cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they > will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when > you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding > and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat > rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back > of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then > you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them every week or so. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > actually). > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub > them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to > watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned > about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a > hair cut once in a while. > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem > to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take > over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the > tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not > sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 > months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the > problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting > them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a > day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to > give the betta a "clean out the system" > timeframe, he > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when > I watch him > ;) LOL. > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a > few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36264	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your latest post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, but I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I was going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in another of your posts. With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a head height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out fine. As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated at 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell you. The GPH curve for this pump is: 0' - 370 GPH 1' - 349 GPH 2' - 317 GPH 3' - 254 GPH 4' - 190 GPH 5' - 119 GPH 6' -- 79 GPH At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit over 3 GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 minutes. Nothing wrong with that! I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and I believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least it is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That would bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with it. This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant Pass, Oregon) < www.americanaquariumproducts.com > for $16.99 plus $7.99 shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That particular > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was what you > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to it and a > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you think of > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=8164 > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump can > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the top > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, it > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your > tank. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. > I was > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > would think > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source > water > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny > mentioned. > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > would be > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > Hi Deb, > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > question > > is about? > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to > make > > sure the > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem > to > > love it as the tank > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > > Chloromine canceller > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all > sucked > > out the bottom > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > > bearers like Guppies. > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get > fresh > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on > a > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > something > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36265	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

A 20 gallon Rubbermaid tub on a dolly would work out great, if you didn'y want to go with a Python, both for syphoning the waste water out of the tank into it, and then pumping the fresh replacement water back up into the tank. I don't understand what you mean by syphoning until it's light enough to lift (lift where, and with what water?), unless you're talking about disposing of the waste water when you toss it. You must know you can't fill the tank this way, as it's appearing to read, with having your Rubbermaid tub and dolly on the floor and your tank on a 30" high stand. Water does not flow up hill, so syphons will not lift water any higher than their present level, if that's what you're getting at, but I have to assume you mean getting rid of the waste water after you draw it off from your tank (your statement leaves a little left to be desired). You're thinking of using your HOB filter to fill your tank from your 20 gallon Rubbermaid? No matter if you retain your HOB filter on your tank and run a hose from it down to the tub to draw the water up, or whether you position the HOB filter on the tub and try to pump the water up from there, this HOB filter will not have near the requirement to lift water 4 feet. If somehow you were able to fill a hose, attached to the HOB filter and clamp it off at the bottom, the pump will not have enough power to lift the water that high when you release the clamp. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G > Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and > siphoning until it was light enough to lift. > > I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to > the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the water > in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running > dry for way too long. Hmmmmm > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > > You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but > low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but then > certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to > fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all > brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from Python and > others. > > For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the Python > doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water with > each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the way up > or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5- 7 5G > buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into > the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill > the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump that > into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 minutes with > little or no drips or spills. > > Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, I > used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds and > would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more > tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that pump > and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, > you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' > Python on sale for right now. > > Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks to > GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop > dolly and roll the water into the room: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > better (other than the Python)? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36266	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Okay, I note here that you've realized your HOB filter is not strong enough. In taking you messages one at a time, I did not see this conclusion of yours until now. I doubt very much the HOB pump would have the capacity to pull water up 4 feet, even if you were able to remove all the air; it's not engineered for that. Back to the drawing board, and I believe your find of the nicely inexpensive ViaAqua should work out well. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > There would be a 4' rise at least. I rethought that and I don't think > the filter I have is strong enough. It has to work to get rid of the air > bubble just hanging on the back of the aquarium. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > > > Would you be running the tubing for a long distance or will they be > > level and next to each other? I'm not sure about which is better myself, > > but I would think that placement of the tub that you are taking water > > from should have an impact. > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G > >> Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and > >> siphoning until it was light enough to lift. > >> > >> I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to > >> the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the > >> water > >> in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running > >> dry for way too long. Hmmmmm > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:09 PM > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > >> > >> You could use an electric pump to empty the tank or fill the tank... but > >> low-priced pumps will usually fail after a short period of time... but > >> then > >> certain pieces of the Python (the faucet pump venturi piece) also seem to > >> fail after a while. I wish someone would make the faucet pump that is all > >> brass instead of the chincy plastic ones that are available from > >> Python and > >> others. > >> > >> For big tanks, you would need an awful lot of 5G buckets, where the > >> Python > >> doesn't need all of that. I usually change out around 15-20G of water > >> with > >> each PWC on my 65G tank. Since you can't fill the 5G buckets all the > >> way up > >> or they might slosh over the top when moving them, you would need 5-7 5G > >> buckets with 3G in each one, then pump the old water out of the tank into > >> the buckets, roll them to the sink. Pump the buckets empty. Then refill > >> the buckets with clean water. Then roll them back to the tank and pump > >> that > >> into the tank... or hook up the Python once and do it all in 15 > >> minutes with > >> little or no drips or spills. > >> > >> Now.. if you have other needs for a small pump like that... for example, > >> I > >> used to have a bunch of them for pond spitters, etc., when I had ponds > >> and > >> would use them to do PWC's on the smaller mini-ponds, then I'd be more > >> tempted to use one as you are thinking... but by the time you buy that > >> pump > >> and then the gravel siphon and the hose to run from the hose to the sink, > >> you would be spending the same $27.00 that DrsFosterSmith.com has the 25' > >> Python on sale for right now. > >> > >> Now.. if Python is listening, please send my infomercial royalty checks > >> to > >> GoldLenny, P.O. Box... LOL > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:43 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > >> > >> I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get fresh > >> water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on a shop > >> dolly and roll the water into the room: > >> http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > >> <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > >> > >> Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already something > >> better (other than the Python)? > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > >> You. > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36267	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Why aren’t you going to use real rocks? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on the background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in the middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy did. http://forums. <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach> loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link them, also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. http://www.janrigte <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> r.nl/mattenfilter/ I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses and go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the other direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to the intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered with the fake rock background that I'm going to make. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are the > politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding him by > generations. > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care of > most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect the lime > would have. > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've never > used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have been the > reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit more > orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The drawback with > lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, against which, the > fish may injure themselves. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. Aren't > > script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files and will > > anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to accept a file > from an > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the Word > file > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > http://74.125. <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > <http://74.125. <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> > ts/R > > ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) www.nwlamg.org/documents > and it > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View as > HTML" > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE favorite > also. > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's not > > showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about using > cement > > then also. > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy or > still > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. The > recipe > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to the > peat > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this will > > deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much because of > the > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about the > cement. > > http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > Amber, > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, > the > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > available > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit > on > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State > > Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the > link. > > www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > How much does it affect the pH? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular > > > > back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and > > > > said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still > > > > seems to be available, though there is not much info about using > it. > > > > It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is > > > > not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+> rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > <http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+> rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+> > > > > 1827 > > > > > <http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024> rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > <http://www.drsfoste <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024> rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024> > > > > +1827> > > > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > > > 278 > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36268	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hamburger Mattenfilter

I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/) sometime in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page (http://www.deters-ing.de/) and it has taken until now for me to get around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly stated as matt filter.) Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the curved version which takes up a corner space. If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly like to hear of your experience with it. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36269	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Does Hair Algae Shed?

I have the hair algae problem under control in my peacock tank.just a few tufts on the background and I give it an occasional squirt of hydrogen peroxide during PWC. The water is clear, and the algae is no longer clogging the filter intakes every few days. But I usually have debris floating on the surface of the water. It looks like I just dropped flake food into the tank, but I don't use flake. It doesn't seem to be harming anything, just wondering what it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36270	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: How to treat fungus.

I believe that when \\Steve// reminds you that Malachite Green is a dye medication and warns you to be careful of it, he not only means to warn you that it will stain anything you happen to spill it on (including your hand) but that it can have an adverse affect on your Cory at its full recommended strength. BTW, it will stain the silicone seams of your tank. If you don't mind this last part, I'd suggest using it at half strength for this Cory, but then, I never had much faith in treating anything at half the recommended dosage of a medication, especially against any aggressive pathogens. In any event, and since these issues usually come from less than ideal water conditions as has already been established, I'd recommend to first test all your water parameters and straighten out your water conditions while medicating your fish in a quarantine tank. To cure these fish and then to put them back into poor water conditions is to invite these same diseases again. If your plan is to medicate the community aquarium itself, that would be a lost cause without first correcting your water conditions (and more expensive to treat the additional amount of water). While these conditions are caused by totally different pathogens, one fungal and one bacterial, you may treat them both in one quarantine tank with the use of Nitrofurazone. Ordinarily, I would recommend Furan II, as one of the best medications containing this, but as it contains Methylene Blue (another dye medication) I would not use it with Cory's. I would instead recommend either Jungle Lab's Fungus Eliminator or Jungle Lab's Fungus Clear Tank Buddies. Despite their names, in addition to treating fungus they are highly effective antibiotics. Do not be confused though and use Jungle Lab's Fungus Guard or API's liquid Fungus Cure by mistake -- both of these contain dye medications. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "giuseppesalvato" <giuseppesalvato@...> wrote: > > I have 1 cory with fungus and 1 rosy tetra with a small white fungus > on its mouth. Other fish in the tank don't show any evident sign of > fungus. > A couple of weeks ago I treated the entire tank with Melafix and it > seems to have improved things a lot. However the fungus is not gone > and today I noticed a lot of cotton like fungus on one of the cory's fins. > I'd appreciate if you could give me some advice on the following points: > - Would you suggest isolating the affected fish in a hospital tank or > treat the entire tank where the fish are now living with their > friends? On one side I'm afraid that treating the big tank would > affect the nitrifing bacteria, on the other side I think that if I > don't treat a fish that seems to be fine but is instead hosting the > fungus would re-start things from square 1 in a matter of time. > - Is there any medication you would recommend? Anything that you tried > or heard works well and possibly does not affect bacteria? > > Thank you, > Giuseppe >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36271	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Deb, I'm resending this message to you, which was first posted as Message # 36264 @ 7:09AM this morning. Up until now, I have not seen it appear as email, despite 2 other messages from me (Message # 36265 & # 36266) to you appearing as email since then. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your latest > post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, but > I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a > ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I was > going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a > dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in another > of your posts. > > With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this > container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about > needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a head > height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out fine. > As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated at > 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell > you. The GPH curve for this pump is: > > 0' - 370 GPH > > 1' - 349 GPH > > 2' - 317 GPH > > 3' - 254 GPH > > 4' - 190 GPH > > 5' - 119 GPH > > 6' -- 79 GPH > > At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit over 3 > GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water > replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 > minutes. Nothing wrong with that! > > I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and I > believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least it > is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That would > bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with it. > This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant Pass, > Oregon) < www.americanaquariumproducts.com > for $16.99 plus $7.99 > shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That > particular > > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was > what you > > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to it > and a > > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you > think of > > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=8164 > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> > > > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. > > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 > > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water > > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump > can > > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small > > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher > > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" > > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of > > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it > > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). > > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher > > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might > > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor > > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This > > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the > top > > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to > > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, > it > > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your > > tank. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. > > I was > > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > > would think > > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the > source > > water > > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the > tank. > > > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny > > mentioned. > > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > > would be > > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > > > Hi Deb, > > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > > question > > > is about? > > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to > > make > > > sure the > > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem > > to > > > love it as the tank > > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > > > Chloromine canceller > > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all > > sucked > > > out the bottom > > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > > > bearers like Guppies. > > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get > > fresh > > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub > on > > a > > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > > something > > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36272	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

And again, as it still hasn't gone through as email --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Deb, I'm resending this message to you, which was first posted as > Message # 36264 @ 7:09AM this morning. Up until now, I have not seen > it appear as email, despite 2 other messages from me (Message # 36265 > & # 36266) to you appearing as email since then. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your > latest > > post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, but > > I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a > > ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I > was > > going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a > > dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in another > > of your posts. > > > > With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this > > container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about > > needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a > head > > height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out fine. > > As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated > at > > 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell > > you. The GPH curve for this pump is: > > > > 0' - 370 GPH > > > > 1' - 349 GPH > > > > 2' - 317 GPH > > > > 3' - 254 GPH > > > > 4' - 190 GPH > > > > 5' - 119 GPH > > > > 6' -- 79 GPH > > > > At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit over > 3 > > GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water > > replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 > > minutes. Nothing wrong with that! > > > > I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and I > > believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least it > > is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That would > > bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with it. > > This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant > Pass, > > Oregon) < www.americanaquariumproducts.com > for $16.99 plus $7.99 > > shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. > Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That > > particular > > > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was > > what you > > > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to > it > > and a > > > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you > > think of > > > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? pcatid=8164 > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> > > > > > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. > > > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping > 159 > > > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring > water > > > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump > > can > > > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or > small > > > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no > higher > > > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > > > > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" > > > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top > of > > > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it > > > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > > > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 > GPH). > > > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something > higher > > > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you > might > > > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > > > > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > > > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor > > > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This > > > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the > > top > > > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to > > > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the > bucket, > > it > > > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of > your > > > tank. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 > minutes. > > > I was > > > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > > > would think > > > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the > > source > > > water > > > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the > > tank. > > > > > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny > > > mentioned. > > > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > > > would be > > > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > > > > > Hi Deb, > > > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > > > question > > > > is about? > > > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to > > > make > > > > sure the > > > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just > seem > > > to > > > > love it as the tank > > > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > > > > Chloromine canceller > > > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all > > > sucked > > > > out the bottom > > > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have > live > > > > bearers like Guppies. > > > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to > get > > > fresh > > > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a > tub > > on > > > a > > > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > > > something > > > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36273	From: Debra	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Brackish Tank Plants

Hello all: I am currently going from a 10 gallon brackish tank to a 50 gallon tank. Right now I have the 50 undergoing a fishless cycle. Meanwhile I am looking for some good brackish water plants. The ones I have tried moving from freshwater to brackish have just died. Does anyone out there with a brackish tank have any acclamated plants they would like to sell? If so I can be contacted at dmelton2@.... Or if you know of a source I would appreciate a link. The brackish tank occupants that are getting a new home are a scat, a puffer, and a hermit crab. My intent is to have a heavily planted brackish tank to compliment my two 50 gallon planted Discus tanks. Deb Ocean Springs, MS

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Amber's Onion Plant

Amber, I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and I remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it was. Is this yours??? http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large_p/ww5 48.htm If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on them since the above link is just a retail site. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36275	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Just read the English version. Interesting. Basically an undergravel filter on the side. In fact I would think one could use the undergravel plate to space the filter from the side. And perhaps the airlift tubes from that... Interesting that he says not to mess with the mulm behind the filter, and that is what I understand to be the biggest drawback to the undergravel filter, that you can not clean the space under it... And by not being able to do that you have a nitrate factory. Is that what this is? Obviously it works in Germany, and since fish have no nationality. Still it gives rise to questions. I too would be interested to know more. Anyone out there ever run one of these? I saw an article where a hobbyist could use to pieces of a plastic grate like stuff, perhaps called egg crate?, any way sandwiched between them was some sort of moss, and when it grew it hid the back wall completely. Perhaps that could be placed ahead of the foam and the entire filter would be hidden? The water would still be flowing thru... Just a thought. On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/) sometime > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > (http://www.deters-ing.de/) and it has taken until now for me to get > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > stated as matt filter.) > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > like to hear of your experience with it. > > \\Steve// > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36276	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Thanks for the link. Yeah, there are a couple other things I was looking at getting, such as more Prime and filter media, so I'll compare and see where the total works out best. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pondering syphon options Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your latest post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, but I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I was going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in another of your posts. With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a head height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out fine. As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated at 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell you. The GPH curve for this pump is: 0' - 370 GPH 1' - 349 GPH 2' - 317 GPH 3' - 254 GPH 4' - 190 GPH 5' - 119 GPH 6' -- 79 GPH At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit over 3 GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 minutes. Nothing wrong with that! I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and I believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least it is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That would bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with it. This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant Pass, Oregon) < www.americanaquariumproducts.com > for $16.99 plus $7.99 shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That particular > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was what you > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to it and a > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you think of > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=8164 > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump can > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the top > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, it > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your > tank. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. > I was > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > would think > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source > water > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny > mentioned. > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > would be > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > Hi Deb, > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > question > > is about? > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to > make > > sure the > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem > to > > love it as the tank > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > > Chloromine canceller > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all > sucked > > out the bottom > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > > bearers like Guppies. > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get > fresh > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on > a > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > something > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36277	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

I think for some reason my messages got delivered out of order last night, because I had decided pretty early in the evening that the HOB wasn't going to do it. When I said siphoning in my other post, that should have been pumping. I want to be able to pump most of the water from the 20G tub so that I can lift it and pour the remainder into the aquarium. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:45 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pondering syphon options Okay, I note here that you've realized your HOB filter is not strong enough. In taking you messages one at a time, I did not see this conclusion of yours until now. I doubt very much the HOB pump would have the capacity to pull water up 4 feet, even if you were able to remove all the air; it's not engineered for that. Back to the drawing board, and I believe your find of the nicely inexpensive ViaAqua should work out well. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > There would be a 4' rise at least. I rethought that and I don't think > the filter I have is strong enough. It has to work to get rid of the air > bubble just hanging on the back of the aquarium. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Pondering syphon options > > > > Would you be running the tubing for a long distance or will they be > > level and next to each other? I'm not sure about which is better myself, > > but I would think that placement of the tub that you are taking water > > from should have an impact. > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> Actually, I was thinking of using a workshop dolly and filling a 20G > >> Rubbermaid tub and then rolling the whole thing out at one time and > >> siphoning until it was light enough to lift. > >> > >> I wonder if I could use my HOB filter and run tubing from the intake to > >> the tub. I'd have to submerge the tubing and clamp it off to keep the > >> water > >> in while I attached it to the intake. Otherwise the pump would be running > >> dry for way too long. Hmmmmm > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36278	From: guna sakar	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Hai friend good night Raymond Wetzel wrote: > And again, as it still hasn't gone through as email > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com , "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: >> >> Deb, I'm resending this message to you, which was first posted as >> Message # 36264 @ 7:09AM this morning. Up until now, I have not > seen >> it appear as email, despite 2 other messages from me (Message # > 36265 >> & # 36266) to you appearing as email since then. Ray >> >> >> >> --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com , "Raymond Wetzel" >> <sevenspringss@ > wrote: >> > >> > Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your >> latest >> > post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, > but >> > I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a >> > ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I >> was >> > going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a >> > dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in > another >> > of your posts. >> > >> > With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this >> > container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about >> > needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a >> head >> > height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out > fine. >> > As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated >> at >> > 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell >> > you. The GPH curve for this pump is: >> > >> > 0' - 370 GPH >> > >> > 1' - 349 GPH >> > >> > 2' - 317 GPH >> > >> > 3' - 254 GPH >> > >> > 4' - 190 GPH >> > >> > 5' - 119 GPH >> > >> > 6' -- 79 GPH >> > >> > At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit > over >> 3 >> > GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water >> > replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 >> > minutes. Nothing wrong with that! >> > >> > I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and > I >> > believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least > it >> > is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That > would >> > bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with > it. >> > This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant >> Pass, >> > Oregon) < www.americanaquariu mproducts. com > for $16.99 plus > $7.99 >> > shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. >> Ray >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com , "Menagerie_Manager" >> > <menagerie_manager@ > wrote: >> > > >> > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That >> > particular >> > > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that > was >> > what you >> > > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to >> it >> > and a >> > > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do > you >> > think of >> > > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: >> > > http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? > pcatid=8164 >> > > >> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@ > >> > > >> > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not > considering. >> > > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at > pumping >> 159 >> > > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring >> water >> > > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the > pump >> > can >> > > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or >> small >> > > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no >> higher >> > > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. >> > > >> > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is > 21" >> > > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the > top >> of >> > > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, > it >> > > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its >> > > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 >> GPH). >> > > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something >> higher >> > > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you >> might >> > > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. >> > > >> > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the >> > > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the > floor >> > > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). > This >> > > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and > the >> > top >> > > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump > to >> > > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the >> bucket, >> > it >> > > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of >> your >> > > tank. Ray >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com , "Menagerie_Manager" >> > > <menagerie_manager@ > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 >> minutes. >> > > I was >> > > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I >> > > would think >> > > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the >> > source >> > > water >> > > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the >> > tank. >> > > > >> > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as > Lenny >> > > mentioned. >> > > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it >> > > would be >> > > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. >> > > > >> > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> >> > > > >> > > > Hi Deb, >> > > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you >> > > question >> > > > is about? >> > > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges > to >> > > make >> > > > sure the >> > > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just >> seem >> > > to >> > > > love it as the tank >> > > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add > some >> > > > Chloromine canceller >> > > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are > all >> > > sucked >> > > > out the bottom >> > > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have >> live >> > > > bearers like Guppies. >> > > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. >> > > > >> > > > Best regards, >> > > > >> > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer >> > > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to >> get >> > > fresh >> > > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a >> tub >> > on >> > > a >> > > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: >> > > > > http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 198169/i/ 7/product. web >> > > > > > < http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 198169/i/ 7/product. web > >> > > > > >> > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already >> > > something >> > > > > better (other than the Python)? >> > > > > >> > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36279	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just to think of adding plants into the mix right now. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are typically > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of light, > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or wood or > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow slow. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble on. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too bad, >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. >> > Amber >> > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? >> >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> >> >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36280	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

my tanks only been up for a month. i think the petstore sells amonia but im not relay shure. i havent cleaned my filter yet...how offten should i and how do i do it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36281	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36282	From: caroline	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: about fancy goldfish

my goldfish.... kelley.... constantly floats upside down and sideways.. is she in pain/? is this injurious to her mind.. I mean, does she know that she is floating.. I have looked for a fish doctor.. none here in reno, nevada.. to place the stones.. can we ship her to this doctor that does this surgery? caroline in reno, nevada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36283	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Does Hair Algae Shed?

LOL, that is funny! Donna, hair algae is plain ol' filamentous algae. If you look at it under a microscope you will see strands one cell thick. It isn't sturdy at all. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Does Hair Algae Shed? I have the hair algae problem under control in my peacock tank.just a few tufts on the background and I give it an occasional squirt of hydrogen peroxide during PWC. The water is clear, and the algae is no longer clogging the filter intakes every few days. But I usually have debris floating on the surface of the water. It looks like I just dropped flake food into the tank, but I don't use flake. It doesn't seem to be harming anything, just wondering what it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36284	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36285	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

Ray, I am amazed at your knowledge! How did you know the scale on the flowrate for the pump? Amazing! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your latest post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, but I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I was going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in another of your posts. With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a head height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out fine. As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated at 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell you. The GPH curve for this pump is: 0' - 370 GPH 1' - 349 GPH 2' - 317 GPH 3' - 254 GPH 4' - 190 GPH 5' - 119 GPH 6' -- 79 GPH At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit over 3 GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 minutes. Nothing wrong with that! I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and I believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least it is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That would bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with it. This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant Pass, Oregon) < www.americanaquariu mproducts. com > for $16.99 plus $7.99 shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@ ...> wrote: > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That particular > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that was what you > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to it and a > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do you think of > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > http://www.drsfoste rsmith.com/ product/prod_ display.cfm? pcatid=8164 > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@ ...> > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not considering. > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at pumping 159 > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring water > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the pump can > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or small > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no higher > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is 21" > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the top of > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, it > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 GPH). > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something higher > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you might > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the floor > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). This > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and the top > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump to > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the bucket, it > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of your > tank. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@ > wrote: > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 minutes. > I was > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > would think > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the source > water > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the tank. > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as Lenny > mentioned. > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > would be > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > Hi Deb, > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > question > > is about? > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges to > make > > sure the > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just seem > to > > love it as the tank > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add some > > Chloromine canceller > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are all > sucked > > out the bottom > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have live > > bearers like Guppies. > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to get > fresh > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a tub on > a > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 198169/i/ 7/product. web > > > <http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 198169/i/ 7/product. web> > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > something > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36286	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Does Hair Algae Shed?

So your answer is yes. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Does Hair Algae Shed? LOL, that is funny! Donna, hair algae is plain ol' filamentous algae. If you look at it under a microscope you will see strands one cell thick. It isn't sturdy at all. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Does Hair Algae Shed? I have the hair algae problem under control in my peacock tank.just a few tufts on the background and I give it an occasional squirt of hydrogen peroxide during PWC. The water is clear, and the algae is no longer clogging the filter intakes every few days. But I usually have debris floating on the surface of the water. It looks like I just dropped flake food into the tank, but I don't use flake. It doesn't seem to be harming anything, just wondering what it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36287	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

The one inch rule is outdated for any except one inch, slender fish like neons. I think Lenny has 10G stocking options on his blog. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36288	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on hand? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to stay in the water all of the time. See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Purigen I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36289	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Good point, thanks, I was not thinking. Leanna, we also need to emphasize SMALL fish for your tank. Fish need room to swim and some of those really cool larger fish won't work in a 10 gallon. That was why Lenny said you would have to rehome some fish and start over. That's not such a bad thing to do if you want to focus on neons. You can always get the other fish in the future if you still like keeping aquariums and you get a larger tank. It'll be a great goal for you. Still, start with the water quality and we'll talk about the fish you can have later. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: The one inch rule is outdated for any except one inch, slender fish like neons. I think Lenny has 10G stocking options on his blog. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_ life_rehab% 40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_ life_rehab% 40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

yes they talk about the good bulbs to use but unfortunately they talk about straight pin and I have all square pin bulbs, I'm not sure if the adapter I found will work on a light fixture as there isn't much space for the bulbs to move down in between the bulbs (perhaps 3/4 of an inch between the ends of the bulbs). I found these converters but they look like they will push the bulb forward a bit. http://www.aquatraders.com/pin-converter-2pk.aspx Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > The actinic actually do provide light in the proper blue area of the > spectrum to be beneficial to chlorophyll production, but chlorophyll > also needs a peak in the red section of the spectrum, and that should be > provided by another bulb. I believe that one of the links provided > earlier in this thread shows that in a chart. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:14 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Yeah I didn't see anyone correct me either, so I figured I had gotten > my > > algebra right ;) LOL. I never was that good at it, but I understand > the > > basics. > > The one thing I got out of all the articles is that the most important > > factor to all the light bulbs for plants is what color in the spectrum > > they produce. You want red and blue mixed for the best results, so > when > > you look at the bulbs and their packaging they have a little color > chart > > on them somewhere that will show you how much red and blue the bulb > > produces, a lot of bulbs emit green but it's not needed by plants it's > > just reflected back off of them, so they just look greener in > contrast, > > really doesn't benefit them. Someone else in that forum/article also > > stated that the actinic lights are not the right spectrum of blue > > either, but they never stated exactly what was ;) LOL. I think the mid > > range bulbs are the most popular (the ones that advertise as somewhere > > in the 5000 to 7500 kelvin, but you still have to look at the box > > because each bulb is designed differently and they produce different > > colors depending how they are made). So much to consider, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > The whole thing was a bit mind boggling by the time I looked at all > of > > > those articles and opinions. I was going to be pretty darned > impressed > > > if you came to an opinion about the issue! Actually, I was pretty > > > impressed that you figured out what you needed for wattage so > quickly > > > and you even showed your work in the message. : ) I didn't see > anyone > > > correct the work so I think you got it right. > > > > > > I hope you got the color spectrum you wanted with the bulbs. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. > > > > > > But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the bulbs > that > > > > > > came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what > kind > > > > > > they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an > incredible > > > > > > > thread of e-mails to follow! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, my experience getting a light from Drsfostersmith. com was > not > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good and I ended up sending back 2 broken lights. I ordered from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarineDepot. com this time and they did an EXCELLENT job packaging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything, I think even if it had been shipped through USPS it > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still have arrived in good condition, it also helps that the > factory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that makes these packages them for shipping in the first place so > it has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foam dividers and all that already inside the fixture behind the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plastic. This light even comes with a fan to keep the CFL bulbs > cool, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it's not that loud. The LED lights give great coverage for my > 55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gallon tank too, everything works great. I'm not sure about the > bulbs, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish they hadn't been square pin either, as there is a better > selection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for straight pin CFL bulbs (with better color spectrums than other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bulbs). I read somewhere that there's an adapter to switch from > square > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pin to straight pin, but I will have to search for it still ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I noticed though is that I did not see the "included > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adjustable width aquarium frame mounts" that the site says are > supposed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be included, guess I better go search the box again ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention if you have dirty water, LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry that's all I have to add, I read the article but I doubt > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bulbs will start getting marketed by their lux as people are too > > > used to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going by watts to determine everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the eheim cleaned up and put back together and after a > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggle with the hubby (he won against the eheim, not me, LOL), > > > we now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it running on the 125 gallon to get it somewhat cycled > before I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > throw it on the 55 gallon for the loaches when they get here. > I'm > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start the rockwork making next, I'm not sure how I will manage > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rocks out of insulation so I'm a little nervous about the > project, so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish me luck ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks \\Steve//. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had seen something like that before and in reading this > article, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me think, shouldn't there be a term for lumens per cubic > meter? > > > Lux = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lumens per square meter but at what distance? In other words, > if the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 12" off the 1 meter surface, it will be much brighter than > if > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10' or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100' off the surface... wouldn't it? The article suggests that > a > > > > > > > kitchen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be lit with a single 1200 lumens fluorescent tube but a > > > factory, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of the floor space of the kitchen would need dozens of > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixtures > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if the lights are a lot higher... wouldn't it need more > than an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > equal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proportion due to the height difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of this kind of spins back to our plants since the > lighting > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants is much closer to the plants than either the kitchen > ceiling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the factory ceiling lighting... especially since the light > has to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penetrate certain depths of water, rather than just air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of this lighting stuff tucked away somewhere, > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure. However, I believe you need to actually know the > lux, not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lumens, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though both measurements, as I seem to recall, are similar. > Ah, here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we go, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a neat little one page PDF file with the explanation of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference: http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ > Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.brillian z.co.uk/data/ documents/ Lumen.pdf.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything about plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so according to that I need 113-169 watts (depending on > the > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants I get, I picked the .12-.18 range, heh) total for my > > > > > > > tank, does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that include keeping the 2 65 watt blue bulbs or should I > switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something around? I have 130 watts if you consider just the > 2 > > > plant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bulbs that are 65 watts, then I have another 130 watts of > blue > > > > > > > actinic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This also talks about fluorescent lights so I may be just > fine or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overdoing it for lumens, I'm not sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we just need someone to figure out how many lumen's most > > > regular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aquatic plants want/need ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd not be so quick to ditch the actinic bulbs as they may > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help the plants with chlorophyll production. See > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spec>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trum- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ lighting/ > > > > > > > 38014-lighting- spe>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ctrum- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photosythesis. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. > com/78v82w> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w <http://tinyurl. com/78v82w>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found these formulae that may be helpful in > > > > > > > determining the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wattage needed for your particular tank to have different > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/p)=Watt hours > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (((L x W)*D)/(p)/11 = approximate watts of bulb needed > where p > > > > > > > = Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light plants 0.08 Low to Moderate light plants 0.12 > Moderate to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bright light plants 0.18 Bright light plants 0.27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lighting by Dennis Bednarek & Hardjono Harjadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://faq.thekrib. com/plant- lighting. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read the above article from which the formulae > come, > > > you'll > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it written out as a formula. But spelled out in text > (you > > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a train leaves Chicago going east 65 miles per hour and > a > > > train > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaves Washington, DC going west at 55 mph, who is > president?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > > > > > > > hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions there might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technically only 2 of those 65 watt bulbs are the right > > > spectrum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter, the blue actinic lights only tint the tank blue > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit brighter than most LED night lights. There are 3 > separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for all of the different lights so I don't have to use > all > > > > > > > of them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once, and don't have to use 2 of them at all if I don't > want > > > > > > > ;). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to use the blue actinic lights to simulate dawn > and dusk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situations (have them turn on just before and turn off > just > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main lights), and then use the blue LED's for night > viewing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was planning on making cliffs on my background wall to > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shelter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottom of the tank from all of the light but yet > still > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the plants on top of the shelves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't think my loaches want a suntan? LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I currently know nothing about CO2 injection, so any > input > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great, I have no idea if anyone out there with a stream > > > > > > > setup uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CO2, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone on the loach forums that does > at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber... that's a LOT of lighting for a 55G tank. 4x65 > > > > > > > watts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CFL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lighting??? I hope you buy your fish some fancy Ray > > > > > > > Charles type > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunglasses. I think that model would look best on your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hillstream's. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if you can turn on only two of the bulbs at > a > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do any other Hillstream keepers use CO2 injection? It > > > > > > > seems that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rapid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water flow, even without an HOB, would cause so much > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agitation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any CO2 injected would quickly outgas but I haven't > > > researched > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be a situation where Flourish Excel might be in > order as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have any of the few plants that Excel seems to > bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should set it up with the rocks and other obstructions > > > to see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surface of the water reacts before spending money on a > CO2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to > > > hear any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might be ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have this light on the way, and I thought I would > > > see if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has the light by chance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem~ idProduct~ > AK01051.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.marinede pot.com/ps_ ViewItem% 7EidProduct% > 7EAK01051. > > > > > > > html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, there are video's on youtube.com with an > > > introduction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work the built in gadgets, if anyone else wants to see > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ;) I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the link but I found it when I did a google > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 2 blue lights, which I don't think are useful > for FW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish/plants, but it comes with 2 plant spectrum 65 > watt > > > bulbs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, so I'm sure I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replace the blue actinic lights with more plant lights > if I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want. 2x65 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of CFL lighting should be plenty for a 55 gallon > though > > > > > > > right? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figured it would be, and since most of the plants I > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the background I'm making they will be higher to > the > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom of the tank is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also considering co2 in this tank, as it won't > have > > > a HOB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cansiter and powerhead only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36291	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam from my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know any german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make sure there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a better success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have the powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be on the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches long. I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological filtration there is. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>) sometime > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>) and it has > taken until now for me to get > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > stated as matt filter.) > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > like to hear of your experience with it. > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36292	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pondering syphon options

That's odd ray, I got all 3 of this same post on my email, not sure about anyone else. Maybe it was just delayed going through, some of my posts take a little while to get through the system too. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > And again, as it still hasn't gone through as email > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > Deb, I'm resending this message to you, which was first posted as > > Message # 36264 @ 7:09AM this morning. Up until now, I have not > seen > > it appear as email, despite 2 other messages from me (Message # > 36265 > > & # 36266) to you appearing as email since then. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Deb, I don't understand your reference to your filter in your > > latest > > > post, and your feeling that a pump wouldn't work because of it, > but > > > I'll get to that when I reply to that post. Your notation of a > > > ViaAqua 1300 water pump seems ideally suited to your needs, and I > > was > > > going to suggest your going with a 20 gallon plastic barrel on a > > > dolly but I see you've already thought in that direction in > another > > > of your posts. > > > > > > With a plastic barrel on a dolly, that will easily raise this > > > container at least 3" off the ground. Now we are talking about > > > needing a head height of 4' (48"). This ViaAqua 1300 pump has a > > head > > > height of 6', as you've even stated, so that should work out > fine. > > > As you probably saw on your link (Drs Foster & Smith), it's rated > > at > > > 370 GPH, but of course that's at 0' head -- which they don't tell > > > you. The GPH curve for this pump is: > > > > > > 0' - 370 GPH > > > > > > 1' - 349 GPH > > > > > > 2' - 317 GPH > > > > > > 3' - 254 GPH > > > > > > 4' - 190 GPH > > > > > > 5' - 119 GPH > > > > > > 6' -- 79 GPH > > > > > > At 4', you will still be getting a decent water flow of a bit > over > > 3 > > > GPM (gallons per minute), which will enable you to do a 1/3 water > > > replacement (18.3 gallons) part of your 55 gallon tank PWC in 6 > > > minutes. Nothing wrong with that! > > > > > > I think I saw Drs Foster & Smith pricing this pump at $19.99, and > I > > > believe their shipping rate is a minimum of $9.99 -- or at least > it > > > is in their paper catalog, I don't know about on line. That > would > > > bring the cost to $30 (unless you're ordering other items with > it. > > > This same pump can be had at American Aquarium Products (Grant > > Pass, > > > Oregon) < www.americanaquariumproducts.com > for $16.99 plus > $7.99 > > > shipping for a total of $25.00, if you want to save a few bucks. > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Menagerie_Manager" > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually that's what I was hoping to get input on. That > > > particular > > > > pump didn't give a head height and I didn't realize that that > was > > > what you > > > > call it. I found a cheaper one that actually has more power to > > it > > > and a > > > > head of 6'. Still haven't come to any decision, but what do > you > > > think of > > > > this one? The 1300 seems most likely to me: > > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?> > pcatid=8164 > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> > > > > > > > > Deb, There are other factors here which you are not > considering. > > > > It's fine and dandy that this Mini-Pump is advertised at > pumping > > 159 > > > > GPH, but that's at 0 head. In other words, that transferring > > water > > > > at a height no higher than the pump. "Head" is how high the > pump > > > can > > > > lift water. This Mini-Pump, esentially a large power-head (or > > small > > > > fountain pump) has a head of 40", i.e., it can pump water no > > higher > > > > than 40" above the water surface that it's pumping from. > > > > > > > > Most aquarium stands are 30" high, and your 55 gallon tank is > 21" > > > > high -- that brings the total distance from the floor to the > top > > of > > > > the tank to 51". If you set your 5 gallon bucket on the floor, > it > > > > won't be able to pump the water up into your tank. Even at its > > > > maximum head height, it can only pump 82 GPH (not the full 159 > > GPH). > > > > If you're going to lift the bucket to place it onto something > > higher > > > > to allow it to be able to pump up to the top of your tank, you > > might > > > > as well just lift it all the way and pour it in. > > > > > > > > Granted, with the 5 gallon bucket (it's 13" high) sitting on the > > > > floor, its water surface would be about 11' higher than the > floor > > > > (unless you want to risk sloshing and fill it all the way). > This > > > > would put the distance between the bucket's water surface and > the > > > top > > > > of the tank at just 40", which would just about enable the pump > to > > > > lift water. But as soon as the water level dropped in the > > bucket, > > > it > > > > would lose its ability to pump high enough to reach the top of > > your > > > > tank. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Menagerie_Manager" > > > > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It looks like it would do a 10G transfer in under 10 > > minutes. > > > > I was > > > > > just wondering how well it would lift the water from below. I > > > > would think > > > > > it would do fine as long as the actual pump is closer to the > > > source > > > > water > > > > > level and the long tubing is on the exit side going up to the > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > The other concern would be how long it would last, as > Lenny > > > > mentioned. > > > > > I wouldn't think that it would be any more short-lived than it > > > > would be > > > > > powering an aquarium toy 24/7. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sam Palermo" <skywavebe@> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Deb, > > > > > I see a 159 gal per hour pump from this link. Is that what you > > > > question > > > > > is about? > > > > > I just use a Python and I watch my digital temperature gauges > to > > > > make > > > > > sure the > > > > > replentishing water is at the same temperature. The fish just > > seem > > > > to > > > > > love it as the tank > > > > > has more bubbles in it even with the chloromine. I then add > some > > > > > Chloromine canceller > > > > > just in case and then they are good to go and the turds are > all > > > > sucked > > > > > out the bottom > > > > > of the tank. You do have to watch for little ones if you have > > live > > > > > bearers like Guppies. > > > > > That seems to be the most of the aggravation. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer > > > > > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at this and wondering how well it would work to > > get > > > > fresh > > > > > > water *into* the aquarium during a PWC, if I were to put a > > tub > > > on > > > > a > > > > > > shop dolly and roll the water into the room: > > > > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web> > > > > > > > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/198169/i/7/product.web>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and is there already > > > > something > > > > > > better (other than the Python)? > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36293	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big leaves though ;) My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close relative, LOL). http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=209 and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=19 Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are typically > > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of light, > > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or wood or > > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > slow. > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble on. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> > >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's > >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it > >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too > bad, > >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > wondering - > >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>>> > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36294	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

I clean my filter every week now, at the latest sometimes I go 2 weeks (which is not good but I also have live plants so that helps a little). I've gotten all my filters on a schedule so I rotate them and clean a new one each weekend so I don't have to do them all at once, some weekends I do a couple filters but I have a lot of fish tanks, LOL. You should drain some tank water into a bucket and pull out the filter cartridge (usually carbon if you bought a fish tank kit), and just swirl and swoosh it around in the removed tank water in the bucket for a minute or so until it looks clean again. The water will turn blackish from all the poo you just removed off of the filter. Your tetras are probably dying because of too much ammonia in your water, if the local fish store is not testing your ammonia levels for you to say they are at 0 (the only safe level is no ammonia at all), then you should be doing daily water changes to keep your ammonia lower. I would recommend that you go out and get your own test kit so you don't have to take your water to the store to have them test it. You want a master test kit (API has one and there are others), some of them don't test for everything, but what you want to look for is one that tests pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate at least, and you might want to look for a test kit that measures how soft your water is (GH/KH test kit), if you have very soft water your pH can fluctuate or drop to a lower pH and that will kill your fish too. Lenny has a blog with all this info on it somewhere, Hey Len link please? LOL Amber Leanna wrote: > > my tanks only been up for a month. i think the petstore sells amonia > but im not relay shure. i havent cleaned my filter yet...how offten > should i and how do i do it? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36295	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hillstream+loach&start=0&sid=e3f87879bcc6cddaf7a2bcf48b20f607 This link has some info on the mattenfilter and different types that people have tried or thought about trying too. It's where I got the idea in the first place ;) I posted the link before because of the background the guy made (it's gorgeous and I hope mine looks that nice, LOL). Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam from > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know any > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make sure > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a better > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have the > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be on > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches long. > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > filtration there is. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > taken until now for me to get > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36296	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium setup. I know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid about bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to safely introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've convinced him to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > leaves though ;) > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > relative, LOL). > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=209 > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=19 > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > Amber > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen >> >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are typically >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of light, >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or wood or >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow >> slow. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble >> >> on. >> >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> >> >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen >> >> >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that means it's >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, but it >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too >> bad, >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. >> >> > Amber >> >> > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and >> wondering - >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? >> >> >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> >> >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 plants and seeing how they do. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > setup. I > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > about > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to safely > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > convinced him > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > leaves though ;) > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > relative, LOL). > > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=209 > <http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=209> > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=19 > <http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=19> > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > typically > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > light, > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > wood or > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > >> slow. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble > >> >> on. > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> >> > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > means it's > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > but it > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too > >> bad, > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > >> >> > Amber > >> >> > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > >> wondering - > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> >> >> http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>>> > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html>>>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36298	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Well I'm making the background look like real rocks but be lightweight and easy to attach to the back of the tank, I have some real rocks to use for the bottom of the tank though, but not many. I need the weather to warm up so I can walk up the river/streams we have on the island before I can get any more river rocks, I don't think people like it if you take them out of their yards ;) LOL. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Why aren’t you going to use real rocks? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on the > background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in the > middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. > I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy > did. > http://forums. > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach>> > loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach > I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like > shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using > more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. > As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link them, > also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. > http://www.janrigte <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > r.nl/mattenfilter/ > I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the > powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube > running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses and > go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the other > direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to the > intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered with > the fake rock background that I'm going to make. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are the > > politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding him by > > generations. > > > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care of > > most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect the lime > > would have. > > > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've never > > used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have been the > > reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. > > > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit more > > orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The drawback with > > lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, against which, the > > fish may injure themselves. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. Aren't > > > script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files and will > > > anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to accept a file > > from an > > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the Word > > file > > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > > > > http://74.125. > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen>> > 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > > <http://74.125. > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen>> > 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> > > ts/R > > > ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us > > > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) www.nwlamg.org/documents > > and it > > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View as > > HTML" > > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE favorite > > also. > > > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's not > > > showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about using > > cement > > > then also. > > > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy or > > still > > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. The > > recipe > > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to the > > peat > > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this will > > > deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." > > > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much because of > > the > > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about the > > cement. > > > http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > > <http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you use, > > the > > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > > available > > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first hit > > on > > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana State > > > Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in with the > > link. > > > www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > How much does it affect the pH? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is a rock known as Tuffa or Tufa rock that was very popular > > > > > back in the late 70's and/or the early 80's. It is very light, and > > > > > said to be "carveable". I did a quick search on it, and it still > > > > > seems to be available, though there is not much info about using > > it. > > > > > It can be used to help maintain a higher pH in your tank, so it is > > > > > not a good choice for those of you with an acid water tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:11 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some carvable foam on clearance at DrsFosterSmith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drsfoste > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+>> > rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > > <http://www.drsfoste > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+ > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+>> > rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024+> > > > > > 1827 > > > > > > > <http://www.drsfoste > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024>> > rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > > <http://www.drsfoste > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024>> > rsmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+20024> > > > > > +1827> > > > > > 8&pcatid=18 > > > > > > 278 > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your art project. I hope it works out! > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36299	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

That's a good idea, just need to figure out how I could do that now, LOL. I have ideas forming already ;) I have good algae growing in the big tank downstairs but so far it hasn't started growing on the new ornaments (rock and a conk shell that's been sitting around my house for years and I'm tired of finding in in odd places, so I boiled it and added it to the tank and I have been checking to see if it's affecting the hardness so far, I also removed all the coral from the tank in the mean time, I wanted to be safe). The bulb in this tank has a different looking spectrum, it's a purplish looking light so it has plenty of blue, which would make sense as to why it grows algae so well. It also makes sense why the previous owner of the tank always had green water. She never cleaned her filter and I'm sure she overfed her fish (the kids helped too much) and the tank light was left on a lot of the time. I got tired of giving her advice and when she left the tank here I cleaned it and put it to use and now she can't have it back, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could also try some floating plants like Anacharis which would > help suck > up some of the nutrients but would also block some of the lighting.... or > you could rig up some way of hanging flat rocks near the top of that > tank so > they grow the algae and then you simply rotate them to the Hillstream tank > as I mentioned earlier. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on > it, so > it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try to keep > the tank > light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live plants in the tank > yet, I > plan on adding those as soon as the LFS gets a better selection. It > definately has a algae promoting light on it, none of the lower > decorations > have an algae but the upper parts of all the fake plants are covered > in the > hair algae. I've stopped the algae wafers in the feeding regime and will > stick to the meaty foods. Will just have to keep the algae wafers on hand > for when I get the pleco's :) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > plants? > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is > > the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within > > five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or > > it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I > > think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but > > they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae > > wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae > > wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the > > gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste > > levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but > > the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't > > been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a > > cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they > > will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when > > you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding > > and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat > > rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back > > of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then > > you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them > every week or so. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > > actually). > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub > > them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to > > watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned > > about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a > > hair cut once in a while. > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem > > to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take > > over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the > > tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not > > sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 > > months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the > > problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting > > them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a > > day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to > > give the betta a "clean out the system" > > timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when > > I watch him > > ;) LOL. > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > > flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a > > few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36300	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still floats, ugh, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to be > soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to put them > right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher (before the drying > cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the dishwasher tip, the hot cycle > opens the pores of the wood so it would more easily soak up the water. My > driftwood, purchased from BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a > piece of slate screwed to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a > base for the driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it > submerged during the curing/soaking stage. > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of slate > with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for the screw, > then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth hole/crater) so the > head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with the bottom of the slate, so > the slate will sit flat on the bottom of your tank. Otherwise, lots of > detritus will find it's way under the slate. I found this out from > experience. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > still up > from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon tank. I had > brown > algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a week ago I think, > it's just > slowly turned more green than brown or something, perhaps I wasn't > watching > closely, I'm not sure, but it's definately green algae growing on the > glass > now, but it's not as fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the > front > glass daily, now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few > spots, I > think the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > spots). > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank after > acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but with their > high requirements I want to make sure they have algae already growing > in the > tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the 55 gallon growing > algae for > a little while yet since it will basically be a brand new set up with the > filter and a few decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if > anything goes wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner > (like the > loaches get picked on or anything). > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no rinse > agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I ran > them in > the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my question is this, > is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? besides letting it soak > forever? I've seen people drill holes in their driftwood but wasn't > sure if > it was to help them sink or not... if someone can clarify that would be > great ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > plants? > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is > > the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within > > five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or > > it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I > > think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but > > they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae > > wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae > > wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the > > gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste > > levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but > > the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't > > been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a > > cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they > > will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when > > you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding > > and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat > > rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back > > of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then > > you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them > every week or so. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > > actually). > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub > > them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to > > watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned > > about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a > > hair cut once in a while. > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem > > to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take > > over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the > > tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not > > sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 > > months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the > > problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting > > them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a > > day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to > > give the betta a "clean out the system" > > timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when > > I watch him > > ;) LOL. > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > > flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a > > few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36301	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Not sure if it would pull the moss back off if you siphoned it to clean anything off of the side of it, like you would the filter. This guy put plants right in front of his filter though to hide it, but I don't like the design of his filter, it looks like it would be hard to remove if you have to do a deep cleaning on it (rinse it in removed tank water). A lot of people on that forum that commented seem to just siphon their mattenfilters clean and then a couple times a year or so they might remove it to do a deep cleaning. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hillstream+loach&start=0&sid=e3f87879bcc6cddaf7a2bcf48b20f607 Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > Just read the English version. Interesting. Basically an undergravel > filter on the side. In fact I would think one could use the undergravel > plate to space the filter from the side. And perhaps the airlift tubes > from > that... Interesting that he says not to mess with the mulm behind the > filter, and that is what I understand to be the biggest drawback to the > undergravel filter, that you can not clean the space under it... And > by not > being able to do that you have a nitrate factory. Is that what this is? > Obviously it works in Germany, and since fish have no nationality. > Still it > gives rise to questions. I too would be interested to know more. Anyone > out there ever run one of these? > > I saw an article where a hobbyist could use to pieces of a plastic grate > like stuff, perhaps called egg crate?, any way sandwiched between them was > some sort of moss, and when it grew it hid the back wall completely. > Perhaps that could be placed ahead of the foam and the entire filter would > be hidden? The water would still be flowing thru... Just a thought. > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>) sometime > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>) and it has > taken until now for me to get > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36302	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant

Lenny what do you use to write your emails with? I notice that when I cut and paste long links most of mine don't get chopped off, but yours all seems to be wordwrapped, I think some sort of wordwrapping is what's cutting your links up, just a thought. I'm checking out the plant. I'm pretty sure that that could be my plant, but after looking online there are a few types that are called "onion plants". One of them sends shoots up to the surface, and mine hasn't done that so I don't think it's that kind, I'm leaning towards this one as mine is VERY long and in the 125 gallon tank it's still long enough to grow across the surface of the water, it's at least 4 feet long I swear, LOL. I have a big one and a smaller one that was mostly just a bulb when I bought it (the LFS gave it to me for free cuz it didn't look good, yay, LOL). The smaller one now has 5 leaves on it and the longest one reaches half way up the tank, it's definitely growing fast IMO, I've had them only since late november maybe early december. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber, > > I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and I > remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it > was. Is > this yours??? > > http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large_p/ww5 > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large_p/ww5> > 48.htm > > If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on them > since the above link is just a retail site. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36303	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Go to my blog, link in my sig, and then look on the right side down the page a little to the article "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" which will go through all of the details on cleaning the various filter systems. In a fully stocked tank, you should be doing weekly tank maintenance (25% PWC, gravel vacuum, filter cleaning). Lightly stocked tanks can go a couple of weeks, really heavily stocked tanks might need maintenance every day or two. New tanks such as yours that might still be going through the nitrogen cycle should be tested daily and doing PWC's daily to keep the ammonia/nitrite levels below their danger levels. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami my tanks only been up for a month. i think the petstore sells amonia but im not relay shure. i havent cleaned my filter yet...how offten should i and how do i do it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36304	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

It's likely that your fish were dying because you were still (and probably still are) cycling your tank. Many fish do not do very well and either get sick or just die when forced to go through the cycling stages. If you have/had a master test kit, you could "see" what was happening to the chemistry of your water during this 6-8 week process. If you have your water tested at your local store, have them write down the actual test results and let us know what they are. Do not accept "they are OK" as an answer. If they won't tell you more, then you need to consider getting your own test kit. I'm not sure if you save "Favorites" of internet sites that you visit often but it would be a good idea to set up a folder called "My Fish" in your favorites folder for IE or whichever browser you use and then when you find good profiles/care sheets about your particular species of fish, save the page in your "My Fish" favorites folder so you can easily find it again. It's a lot easier than trying to remember all of their latin names. Further, your cory should have some kind of common name so maybe remembering that would be easier than remember the latin name.. but it's still good to have a saved page with the latin name as there are many fish that sometimes share the same common names. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36305	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 plants and seeing how they do. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > setup. I > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > about > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to safely > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > convinced him > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > leaves though ;) > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > relative, LOL). > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209> > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19> > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > typically > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > light, > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > wood or > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > >> slow. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble > >> >> on. > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> >> > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > means it's > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > but it > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too > >> bad, > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > >> >> > Amber > >> >> > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > >> wondering - > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> >> >> http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>> > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Deb P., I know some pet stores and some folks still throw this "one inch rule" around but it's not a good rule at all... unless you add a disclaimer that it only works for slim-bodied fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults. For example, you cannot put a 10" fish in a 10G tank. You could have three 3" fish though as long as they are not schooling fish and don't mind the cramped quarters... or five 2" fish or 10 1" fish, once again, as long as they don't mind the cramped quarters. Very active and fast swimming fish do not like 10G tanks since there's not a lot of room for them to swim before running into glass. Here's my own simple guideline for stocking a tank... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36307	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Well I hope you like them :) Mine are very pretty additions to the tank as they are a nice dark green in color (the new leaves are light green), they do grow a little algae on them but it doesn't seem too bad so far the last couple of months. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so > much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. > > And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's > > why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high > > light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if > > mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week > > on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every > > week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 > > plants and seeing how they do. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > > > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > > > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > > > setup. I > > > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > > > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > > > about > > > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to > safely > > > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > > > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > > > convinced him > > > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > > > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > > > them just because of looks in the first place then after > researching the > > > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, > even > > > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as > they have > > > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > > > leaves though ;) > > > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > > > relative, LOL). > > > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209 > > > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209> > > > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19 > > > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19> > > > > > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely > likes > > > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish > that go > > > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > > > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > > > >> > > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > >> > > > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > > > typically > > > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > > > light, > > > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > > > wood or > > > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > > > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > > > >> slow. > > > >> > > > > >> > Amber > > > >> > > > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > > > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to > nibble > > > >> >> on. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > > > means it's > > > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > > > but it > > > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > > > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't > seem too > > > >> bad, > > > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted > tank. > > > >> >> > Amber > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > > > >> wondering - > > > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > > > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > > > >> >> >> http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>> > > > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>>> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36308	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Yes I do have "Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking Guidelines" hosted on my blog... and I also have a much better set of guidelines for stocking tanks using fish size as the basis and have the fish separated as small, medium, large and extra-large fish since each type of fish has a separate set of "rules" for stocking them. I know there are more scientific methods such as figuring out the surface area for gas exchange and then figuring out the body mass of the fish and allowing X amount of surface area per cubic inch of body mass, etc., and I read all I could find from these scientific methods in coming up with my simple guidelines... and I'm pretty sure my tank stocking guidelines will work for the majority of our commonly kept fish. These two articles are listed as number one and two in the "Labels" section on the right side of my blog. "Labels" is the method that Google chose to use instead of folders for Gmail and also uses Labels in the blogger and blogspot sites for bloggers/writers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami The one inch rule is outdated for any except one inch, slender fish like neons. I think Lenny has 10G stocking options on his blog. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36309	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at grabbing and holding more junk. Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water flows back into the tank. Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on hand? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to stay in the water all of the time. See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Purigen I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and wondering - wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36310	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Amber, You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation option, and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous translation engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your entries. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam from > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know any > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make sure > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a better > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have the > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be on > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches long. > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > filtration there is. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>) sometime > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>) and it has > > taken until now for me to get > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36311	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

That is the link that led me to the other information about this filter. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:17 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc &highlight=hill > stream+loach&start=0&sid=e3f87879bcc6cddaf7a2bcf48b20f607 > This link has some info on the mattenfilter and different types that > people have tried or thought about trying too. It's where I got the idea > in the first place ;) > I posted the link before because of the background the guy made (it's > gorgeous and I hope mine looks that nice, LOL). > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam from > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know any > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make sure > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a better > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have the > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be on > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches long. > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > filtration there is. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > taken until now for me to get > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36312	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;

Too bad they don't put them crime scene L-shaped rulers next to things when they take pics so we could see how big the item is. ;-) You might want to contact the site. Hopefully they will have designed these to work knowing there's not much room under the hood of a light fixture. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any opinions there might be ;) yes they talk about the good bulbs to use but unfortunately they talk about straight pin and I have all square pin bulbs, I'm not sure if the adapter I found will work on a light fixture as there isn't much space for the bulbs to move down in between the bulbs (perhaps 3/4 of an inch between the ends of the bulbs). I found these converters but they look like they will push the bulb forward a bit. http://www.aquatraders.com/pin-converter-2pk.aspx Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > The actinic actually do provide light in the proper blue area of the > spectrum to be beneficial to chlorophyll production, but chlorophyll > also needs a peak in the red section of the spectrum, and that should > be provided by another bulb. I believe that one of the links provided > earlier in this thread shows that in a chart. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:14 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New light on the way, want to hear any > opinions there might be ;) > > > > Yeah I didn't see anyone correct me either, so I figured I had > > gotten > my > > algebra right ;) LOL. I never was that good at it, but I understand > the > > basics. > > The one thing I got out of all the articles is that the most > > important factor to all the light bulbs for plants is what color in > > the spectrum they produce. You want red and blue mixed for the best > > results, so > when > > you look at the bulbs and their packaging they have a little color > chart > > on them somewhere that will show you how much red and blue the bulb > > produces, a lot of bulbs emit green but it's not needed by plants > > it's just reflected back off of them, so they just look greener in > contrast, > > really doesn't benefit them. Someone else in that forum/article also > > stated that the actinic lights are not the right spectrum of blue > > either, but they never stated exactly what was ;) LOL. I think the > > mid range bulbs are the most popular (the ones that advertise as > > somewhere in the 5000 to 7500 kelvin, but you still have to look at > > the box because each bulb is designed differently and they produce > > different colors depending how they are made). So much to consider, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > The whole thing was a bit mind boggling by the time I looked at > > > all > of > > > those articles and opinions. I was going to be pretty darned > impressed > > > if you came to an opinion about the issue! Actually, I was pretty > > > impressed that you figured out what you needed for wattage so > quickly > > > and you even showed your work in the message. : ) I didn't see > anyone > > > correct the work so I think you got it right. > > > > > > I hope you got the color spectrum you wanted with the bulbs. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > No I didn't, it was just a bit above my comprehension level, LOL. > > > > > > But I am more interested to find out what color spectrums the > > > bulbs > that > > > > > > came with my light actually produce, just need to figure out what > kind > > > > > > they are by looking at them closely and searching the internet. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you ever figure out your lumens vs watts? That was an > incredible > > > > > > > thread of e-mails to follow! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36313	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a corner. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation option, > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous translation > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > entries. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > from > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know > any > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make > sure > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > better > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have > the > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be > on > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches > long. > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > filtration there is. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > list. > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > taken until now for me to get > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > number > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot > read > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > larger > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > should > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the > site > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance > of > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort > to > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > which > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use > the > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of > the > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > tank to > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for > the > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > fish > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > certainly > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36314	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Several of our local fish stores (LFS for the newbies) sell flat rocks for aquariums. They also sell some rocks that are not completely flat, but still large enough that they would hold down the wood and probably could be hidden behind the wood if you tied the wood to them or attached it in some other way. Do you think something like that might work for you? Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still floats, ugh, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to be > soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to put them > right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher (before the drying > cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the dishwasher tip, the hot cycle > opens the pores of the wood so it would more easily soak up the water. My > driftwood, purchased from BigAlsOnline. com a few years back came with a > piece of slate screwed to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a > base for the driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it > submerged during the curing/soaking stage. > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of slate > with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for the screw, > then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth hole/crater) so the > head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with the bottom of the slate, so > the slate will sit flat on the bottom of your tank. Otherwise, lots of > detritus will find it's way under the slate. I found this out from > experience. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > still up > from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon tank. I had > brown > algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a week ago I think, > it's just > slowly turned more green than brown or something, perhaps I wasn't > watching > closely, I'm not sure, but it's definately green algae growing on the > glass > now, but it's not as fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the > front > glass daily, now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few > spots, I > think the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > spots). > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank after > acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but with their > high requirements I want to make sure they have algae already growing > in the > tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the 55 gallon growing > algae for > a little while yet since it will basically be a brand new set up with the > filter and a few decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if > anything goes wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner > (like the > loaches get picked on or anything). > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no rinse > agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I ran > them in > the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my question is this, > is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? besides letting it soak > forever? I've seen people drill holes in their driftwood but wasn't > sure if > it was to help them sink or not... if someone can clarify that would be > great ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > plants? > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but is > > the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it within > > five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much food or > > it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores and I > > think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... but > > they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an algae > > wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. Algae > > wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve into the > > gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the waste > > levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit but > > the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it hasn't > > been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something like a > > cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after dark as they > > will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel when > > you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are overfeeding > > and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some flat > > rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the back > > of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on them. Then > > you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them > every week or so. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I remember > > from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure if any do > > actually). > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and scrub > > them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of pretty to > > watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be concerned > > about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and give it a > > hair cut once in a while. > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't seem > > to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to take > > over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm overfeeding the > > tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae wafer, I'm really not > > sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing well after the last 4 > > months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, but if it's part of the > > problem with the algae growing on the plants then I will stop putting > > them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a > > day every few days of feeding the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to > > give the betta a "clean out the system" > > timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting when > > I watch him > > ;) LOL. > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very small > > stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. The > > flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, just a > > few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of the > > frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > Amber > > __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36315	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant

Amber, You use Thunderbird, so, by way of deduction, Lenny probably is using Outlook 2003 when he is not replying in the web interface of this list. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Amber's Onion Plant > > Lenny what do you use to write your emails with? I notice that when I > cut and paste long links most of mine don't get chopped off, but yours > all seems to be wordwrapped, I think some sort of wordwrapping is what's > cutting your links up, just a thought. I'm checking out the plant. I'm > pretty sure that that could be my plant, but after looking online there > are a few types that are called "onion plants". One of them sends shoots > up to the surface, and mine hasn't done that so I don't think it's that > kind, I'm leaning towards this one as mine is VERY long and in the 125 > gallon tank it's still long enough to grow across the surface of the > water, it's at least 4 feet long I swear, LOL. I have a big one and a > smaller one that was mostly just a bulb when I bought it (the LFS gave > it to me for free cuz it didn't look good, yay, LOL). The smaller one > now has 5 leaves on it and the longest one reaches half way up the tank, > it's definitely growing fast IMO, I've had them only since late november > maybe early december. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and I > > remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it > > was. Is > > this yours??? > > > > http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large_p /ww5 > > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large_ p/ww5> > > 48.htm > > > > If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on them > > since the above link is just a retail site. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36316	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Use onlineconversions.com to do the conversions both ways for you. No math skills beyond the ability to enter numbers correctly and select the right conversions correctly are needed. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) > I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I > normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come > in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the water > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, but > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a corner. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation option, > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous translation > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > entries. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > from > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know > > any > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make > > sure > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > better > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have > > the > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be > > on > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches > > long. > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > list. > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > number > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot > > read > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > larger > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > > should > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the > > site > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance > > of > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort > > to > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > which > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use > > the > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of > > the > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > tank to > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for > > the > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > > fish > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > certainly > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36317	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Okay after a lot of translating and fumbling through the site and bad translation from google ;) I think I have it figured out. 18 inches tall by 19 inches long (in a semi-circle on one corner of the tank), I'm going to use foam/filter pad that's at least 2 inches thick, maybe 3 or so if I can find it. Now any suggestions on filter pads that come in that thickness and that size? LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Use onlineconversions.com to do the conversions both ways for you. No > math skills beyond the ability to enter numbers correctly and select the > right conversions correctly are needed. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) > > I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I > > normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that > come > > in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > water > > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, > but > > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a > corner. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > will > > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation > option, > > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous > translation > > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > > entries. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > type > > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > > from > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > the > > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't > know > > > any > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > I > > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > make > > > sure > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > better > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > then > > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to > have > > > the > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > be > > > on > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > pushed > > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 > inches > > > long. > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > these > > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>>) sometime > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > list. > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>>) and it has > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > number > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > cannot > > > read > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > larger > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > its > > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, > you > > > should > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > the > > > site > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > chance > > > of > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > correctly > > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > effort > > > to > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > which > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > use > > > the > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > of > > > the > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > tank to > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > for > > > the > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > larger > > > fish > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > smaller > > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using > the > > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > certainly > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36318	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Throw a scavenger hunt party and have "nice garden rocks" and "nice river rocks" as some of the items on the list and then let the other partiers get them for you. ;-) I threw a scavenger hunt party when I was in my early 20's and put a rear tail light lens for a 1972 Ford Pinto as one of the items... since I was having trouble finding this part for my old clunker car. And yes, someone found one... although I'm sure that someone else also had to have a scavenger hunt to find a rear tail light lens for their 1972 Pinto the next day. I used "don't ask, don't tell" as the governing guideline for where things came from. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber Well I'm making the background look like real rocks but be lightweight and easy to attach to the back of the tank, I have some real rocks to use for the bottom of the tank though, but not many. I need the weather to warm up so I can walk up the river/streams we have on the island before I can get any more river rocks, I don't think people like it if you take them out of their yards ;) LOL. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Why aren't you going to use real rocks? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on > the background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in > the middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. > I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy > did. > http://forums. > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+ > loach > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+ > loach>> loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&highlight=hillstream+loach > I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like > shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using > more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. > As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link > them, also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. > http://www.janrigte <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > r.nl/mattenfilter/ > I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the > powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube > running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses > and go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the > other direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to > the intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered > with the fake rock background that I'm going to make. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are > > the politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding > > him by generations. > > > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care > > of most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect > > the lime would have. > > > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've > > never used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have > > been the reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. > > > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit > > more orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The > > drawback with lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, > > against which, the fish may injure themselves. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. > > > Aren't script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files > > > and will anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to > > > accept a file > > from an > > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the > > > Word > > file > > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > > > > http://74.125. > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/docu > men > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/docu > men>> 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen > > <http://74.125. > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/docu > men > <http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/docu > men>> 113.132/search?q=cache:SX9NX4n_Yp4J:www.nwlamg.org/documen> > > ts/R > > > ECIPEFORAHYPER.doc+www.nwlamg.org/documents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl= > > > us > > > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) > > > www.nwlamg.org/documents > > and it > > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View > > > as > > HTML" > > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE > > > favorite > > also. > > > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's > > > not showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about > > > using > > cement > > > then also. > > > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy > > > or > > still > > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. > > > The > > recipe > > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to > > > the > > peat > > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this > > > will deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices...." > > > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much > > > because of > > the > > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about > > > the > > cement. > > > http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > > <http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement#Portland_cement> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you > > > use, > > the > > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > > available > > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first > > > hit > > on > > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana > > > State Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in > > > with the > > link. > > > www.nwlamg.org/documents/RECIPEFORAHYPER.doc > > > > > > \\Steve// > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

And if you ever get some shellies, they'll probably like that conch shell... or they might call it a big old high-rise penthouse shell since I doubt they see conch shells in their native waters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae That's a good idea, just need to figure out how I could do that now, LOL. I have ideas forming already ;) I have good algae growing in the big tank downstairs but so far it hasn't started growing on the new ornaments (rock and a conk shell that's been sitting around my house for years and I'm tired of finding in in odd places, so I boiled it and added it to the tank and I have been checking to see if it's affecting the hardness so far, I also removed all the coral from the tank in the mean time, I wanted to be safe). The bulb in this tank has a different looking spectrum, it's a purplish looking light so it has plenty of blue, which would make sense as to why it grows algae so well. It also makes sense why the previous owner of the tank always had green water. She never cleaned her filter and I'm sure she overfed her fish (the kids helped too much) and the tank light was left on a lot of the time. I got tired of giving her advice and when she left the tank here I cleaned it and put it to use and now she can't have it back, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You could also try some floating plants like Anacharis which would > help suck up some of the nutrients but would also block some of the > lighting.... or you could rig up some way of hanging flat rocks near > the top of that tank so they grow the algae and then you simply rotate > them to the Hillstream tank as I mentioned earlier. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on > it, so it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try to > keep the tank light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live plants > in the tank yet, I plan on adding those as soon as the LFS gets a > better selection. It definately has a algae promoting light on it, > none of the lower decorations have an algae but the upper parts of all > the fake plants are covered in the hair algae. I've stopped the algae > wafers in the feeding regime and will stick to the meaty foods. Will > just have to keep the algae wafers on hand for when I get the pleco's > :) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > plants? > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but > > is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it > > within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much > > food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores > > and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the > > waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit > > but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it > > hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something > > like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after > > dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some > > flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the > > back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on > > them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank > > and rotate them > every week or so. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure > > if any do actually). > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to > > take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants > > then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of > > flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > > (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting > > when I watch him > > ;) LOL. > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of > > the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36320	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

I don't think our LFS has ever had shellies, I will have to go look and see what they look like now ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > And if you ever get some shellies, they'll probably like that conch > shell... > or they might call it a big old high-rise penthouse shell since I > doubt they > see conch shells in their native waters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:39 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > That's a good idea, just need to figure out how I could do that now, > LOL. I > have ideas forming already ;) I have good algae growing in the big tank > downstairs but so far it hasn't started growing on the new ornaments (rock > and a conk shell that's been sitting around my house for years and I'm > tired > of finding in in odd places, so I boiled it and added it to the tank and I > have been checking to see if it's affecting the hardness so far, I also > removed all the coral from the tank in the mean time, I wanted to be > safe). > The bulb in this tank has a different looking spectrum, it's a purplish > looking light so it has plenty of blue, which would make sense as to > why it > grows algae so well. It also makes sense why the previous owner of the > tank > always had green water. She never cleaned her filter and I'm sure she > overfed her fish (the kids helped too much) and the tank light was > left on a > lot of the time. I got tired of giving her advice and when she left > the tank > here I cleaned it and put it to use and now she can't have it back, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could also try some floating plants like Anacharis which would > > help suck up some of the nutrients but would also block some of the > > lighting.... or you could rig up some way of hanging flat rocks near > > the top of that tank so they grow the algae and then you simply rotate > > them to the Hillstream tank as I mentioned earlier. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:23 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on > > it, so it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try to > > keep the tank light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live plants > > in the tank yet, I plan on adding those as soon as the LFS gets a > > better selection. It definately has a algae promoting light on it, > > none of the lower decorations have an algae but the upper parts of all > > the fake plants are covered in the hair algae. I've stopped the algae > > wafers in the feeding regime and will stick to the meaty foods. Will > > just have to keep the algae wafers on hand for when I get the pleco's > > :) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > > plants? > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but > > > is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it > > > within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much > > > food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores > > > and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the > > > waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit > > > but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it > > > hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something > > > like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after > > > dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some > > > flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the > > > back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on > > > them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank > > > and rotate them > > every week or so. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure > > > if any do actually). > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to > > > take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants > > > then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of > > > flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > > > (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > > timeframe, he > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting > > > when I watch him > > > ;) LOL. > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of > > > the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have slate roof shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new pieces of slate. ;-) Also check with a roofing supply to see what they do with their broken pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I guess it depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of driftwood are each around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are about as thick around as a normal sized fore-arm (not the Governator's.. lol) but I guess if you had a piece as big around as Arnold's pythons, then maybe drilling holes would help but I would drill the holes from the bottom up so they wouldn't become traps for detritus that might cause wood rotting issues and they wouldn't be as visible. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still floats, ugh, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to > be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to put > them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher (before > the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the dishwasher > tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it would more easily > soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from BigAlsOnline.com a few > years back came with a piece of slate screwed to the bottom of each > piece. The slate served as a base for the driftwood once it was in the > tank, but also helped to keep it submerged during the curing/soaking stage. > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of > slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for > the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with the > bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of your > tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the slate. > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's > definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as fast > as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, now > it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think the > light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > spots). > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but > with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae > already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will basically > be a brand new set up with the filter and a few decorations brought > over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes wrong I can swap stuff > over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the loaches get picked on or > anything). > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I > ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my > question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in their > driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or not... if > someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > plants? > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but > > is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it > > within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much > > food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores > > and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the > > waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit > > but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it > > hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something > > like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after > > dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some > > flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the > > back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on > > them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank > > and rotate them > every week or so. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure > > if any do actually). > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to > > take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants > > then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of > > flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > > (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > timeframe, he > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting > > when I watch him > > ;) LOL. > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of > > the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36322	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

LOL! Maybe I'll take that for my signature! "Other Deb" and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) Hmmmm . . . maybe not ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 plants and seeing how they do. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > setup. I > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > about > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to safely > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > convinced him > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > leaves though ;) > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > relative, LOL). > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209> > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19> > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > typically > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > light, > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > wood or > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > >> slow. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble > >> >> on. > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> >> > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > means it's > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > but it > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too > >> bad, > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > >> >> > Amber > >> >> > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > >> wondering - > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> >> >> http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>> > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>> > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html>>>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

It seems contradictory to say that Hillstream Loaches need really clean water and then have a huge sponge biofilter in the tank that doesn't get cleaned very well or very often to remove the detritus. All that detritus that it would hold seems like it would be a nitrate and DOC/TDS factory to me... none of which are good for water quality. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter Not sure if it would pull the moss back off if you siphoned it to clean anything off of the side of it, like you would the filter. This guy put plants right in front of his filter though to hide it, but I don't like the design of his filter, it looks like it would be hard to remove if you have to do a deep cleaning on it (rinse it in removed tank water). A lot of people on that forum that commented seem to just siphon their mattenfilters clean and then a couple times a year or so they might remove it to do a deep cleaning. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&hig hlight=hillstream+loach&start=0&sid=e3f87879bcc6cddaf7a2bcf48b20f607 Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > Just read the English version. Interesting. Basically an undergravel > filter on the side. In fact I would think one could use the undergravel > plate to space the filter from the side. And perhaps the airlift tubes > from > that... Interesting that he says not to mess with the mulm behind the > filter, and that is what I understand to be the biggest drawback to the > undergravel filter, that you can not clean the space under it... And > by not > being able to do that you have a nitrate factory. Is that what this is? > Obviously it works in Germany, and since fish have no nationality. > Still it > gives rise to questions. I too would be interested to know more. Anyone > out there ever run one of these? > > I saw an article where a hobbyist could use to pieces of a plastic grate > like stuff, perhaps called egg crate?, any way sandwiched between them was > some sort of moss, and when it grew it hid the back wall completely. > Perhaps that could be placed ahead of the foam and the entire filter would > be hidden? The water would still be flowing thru... Just a thought. > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>) sometime > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>) and it has > taken until now for me to get > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you should > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the site > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance of > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort to > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the tank to > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for the > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger fish > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36324	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

I don't think we get much roofing slate up here to be honest, we have a lot of metal or wooden types of shingles though. Gosh just the words roofing slate make me imagine barking pieces of slate, LOL. Maybe I'll wash the 2 small pieces again and after the hot wash cycle I'll throw them into the tub to soak to see if that helps them sink.... I was tempted to just put them in the tank and let them float around the top but didn't want it to bang into fish, I guess I could tie it off, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have slate roof > shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new pieces of > slate. ;-) > Also check with a roofing supply to see what they do with their broken > pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. > > I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I > guess it > depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of driftwood are each > around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are about as thick > around as a > normal sized fore-arm (not the Governator's.. lol) but I guess if you > had a > piece as big around as Arnold's pythons, then maybe drilling holes would > help but I would drill the holes from the bottom up so they wouldn't > become > traps for detritus that might cause wood rotting issues and they > wouldn't be > as visible. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a > landscaping > company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost up here ;) I > asked around and so far no one has any though. So will drilling holes into > the driftwood not help at all? > I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still > floats, ugh, LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to > > be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to put > > them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher (before > > the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the dishwasher > > tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it would more easily > > soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from BigAlsOnline.com a few > > years back came with a piece of slate screwed to the bottom of each > > piece. The slate served as a base for the driftwood once it was in the > > tank, but also helped to keep it submerged during the curing/soaking > stage. > > > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of > > slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for > > the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth > > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with the > > bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of your > > tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the slate. > > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's > > definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as fast > > as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, now > > it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think the > > light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > > spots). > > > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, but > > with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae > > already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have the > > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will basically > > be a brand new set up with the filter and a few decorations brought > > over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes wrong I can swap stuff > > over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the loaches get picked on or > > anything). > > > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe I > > ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now my > > question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in their > > driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or not... if > > someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any live > > > plants? > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it but > > > is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating it > > > within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too much > > > food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are carnivores > > > and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise the > > > waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates and > > > it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water column > > > and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate test kit > > > but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a tank if it > > > hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless it's something > > > like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for pleco's after > > > dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae is > > > only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it gets > > > the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting some > > > flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging off the > > > back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the algae on > > > them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the Hillstream's tank > > > and rotate them > > every week or so. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not sure > > > if any do actually). > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying to > > > take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the plants > > > then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a tiny bit of > > > flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding the flakes > > > (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > > timeframe, he > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the downstairs > > > tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), just a tiny bit > > > usually once or twice a week depending on how hungry he's acting > > > when I watch him > > > ;) LOL. > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit of > > > the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36325	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

That's why I was also going to run the eheim with the UV filter on this tank too, I figured that would be enough mechanical filtration to keep the tank clean. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It seems contradictory to say that Hillstream Loaches need really clean > water and then have a huge sponge biofilter in the tank that doesn't get > cleaned very well or very often to remove the detritus. All that detritus > that it would hold seems like it would be a nitrate and DOC/TDS factory to > me... none of which are good for water quality. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > Not sure if it would pull the moss back off if you siphoned it to clean > anything off of the side of it, like you would the filter. > This guy put plants right in front of his filter though to hide it, but I > don't like the design of his filter, it looks like it would be hard to > remove if you have to do a deep cleaning on it (rinse it in removed tank > water). A lot of people on that forum that commented seem to just siphon > their mattenfilters clean and then a couple times a year or so they might > remove it to do a deep cleaning. > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&hig > <http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=16770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&hig> > hlight=hillstream+loach&start=0&sid=e3f87879bcc6cddaf7a2bcf48b20f607 > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > Just read the English version. Interesting. Basically an undergravel > > filter on the side. In fact I would think one could use the undergravel > > plate to space the filter from the side. And perhaps the airlift tubes > > from > > that... Interesting that he says not to mess with the mulm behind the > > filter, and that is what I understand to be the biggest drawback to the > > undergravel filter, that you can not clean the space under it... And > > by not > > being able to do that you have a nitrate factory. Is that what this is? > > Obviously it works in Germany, and since fish have no nationality. > > Still it > > gives rise to questions. I too would be interested to know more. Anyone > > out there ever run one of these? > > > > I saw an article where a hobbyist could use to pieces of a plastic grate > > like stuff, perhaps called egg crate?, any way sandwiched between > them was > > some sort of moss, and when it grew it hid the back wall completely. > > Perhaps that could be placed ahead of the foam and the entire filter > would > > be hidden? The water would still be flowing thru... Just a thought. > > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this list. > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > taken until now for me to get > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a number > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot read > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much larger > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > should > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > the site > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > chance of > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > effort to > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of which > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use the > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of the > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > tank to > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > for the > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > fish > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would certainly > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36326	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant

I use Outlook 2003 as my email client. I always thought it was Yahoo Groups that broke the links but there is a setting in Outlook to have "margins" or rather the length of a line be only a certain number of characters. I did notice a link you recently posted that was 4-5 lines long and wasn't broken. Maybe \\Steve// can elaborate on this since he's an Outlook guru as well as a fish guru. \\Steve//, On the Tools>Options>Mail Format tab>Internet Format button, there's a drop down menu to choose a number for plain text wrapping. I have mine set at 76 but maybe I should have something different. I don't remember if that was a default setting or not and didn't want to click the "Change to Default" button. What number do you have for this setting? Do you think this might be the cause of breaking links, instead of Yahoo Groups causing it? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Amber's Onion Plant Lenny what do you use to write your emails with? I notice that when I cut and paste long links most of mine don't get chopped off, but yours all seems to be wordwrapped, I think some sort of wordwrapping is what's cutting your links up, just a thought. I'm checking out the plant. I'm pretty sure that that could be my plant, but after looking online there are a few types that are called "onion plants". One of them sends shoots up to the surface, and mine hasn't done that so I don't think it's that kind, I'm leaning towards this one as mine is VERY long and in the 125 gallon tank it's still long enough to grow across the surface of the water, it's at least 4 feet long I swear, LOL. I have a big one and a smaller one that was mostly just a bulb when I bought it (the LFS gave it to me for free cuz it didn't look good, yay, LOL). The smaller one now has 5 leaves on it and the longest one reaches half way up the tank, it's definitely growing fast IMO, I've had them only since late november maybe early december. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber, > > I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and > I remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it > was. Is this yours??? > > http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large > _p/ww5 > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_larg > e_p/ww5> > 48.htm > > If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on > them since the above link is just a retail site. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36327	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the person would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they could breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's open-cell. Open-cell foams are usually much less dense than closed-cell foams. Of course, these products at the craft store might only come in an off-white color and you would probably want a dark colored foam if it's going to be visible in the tank. My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of http://www.coastalpond.com/ also sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his prices. Send him an email billdowden@... and tell him Lenny from the Ponds-Koi group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell him he owes me another quarter for doing some marketing for him. LOL Here's his normal retail prices. http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll see those two sites and many others to compare prices. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a corner. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation option, > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous translation > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > entries. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > from > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know > any > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make > sure > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > better > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have > the > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be > on > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches > long. > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > filtration there is. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > list. > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > taken until now for me to get > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > number > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot > read > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > larger > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > should > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the > site > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance > of > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort > to > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > which > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use > the > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of > the > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > tank to > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for > the > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > fish > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > certainly > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36328	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant

Lenny, I have always thought it to be a server side effect. Even with links shorter than the 76 character I've chosen will break, while I've seen links longer than the 76 character limit come through just fine. It has never bothered me enough to do a thorough investigation. This applies to plain text messages. The margin setting being talked about applies to RTF messages converted to plain text for sending via the Internet. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Amber's Onion Plant > > I use Outlook 2003 as my email client. I always thought it was Yahoo Groups > that broke the links but there is a setting in Outlook to have "margins" or > rather the length of a line be only a certain number of characters. I did > notice a link you recently posted that was 4-5 lines long and wasn't broken. > > > Maybe \\Steve// can elaborate on this since he's an Outlook guru as well as > a fish guru. > > \\Steve//, > > On the Tools>Options>Mail Format tab>Internet Format button, there's a drop > down menu to choose a number for plain text wrapping. I have mine set at 76 > but maybe I should have something different. I don't remember if that was a > default setting or not and didn't want to click the "Change to Default" > button. What number do you have for this setting? Do you think this might > be the cause of breaking links, instead of Yahoo Groups causing it? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Amber's Onion Plant > > Lenny what do you use to write your emails with? I notice that when I cut > and paste long links most of mine don't get chopped off, but yours all seems > to be wordwrapped, I think some sort of wordwrapping is what's cutting your > links up, just a thought. I'm checking out the plant. I'm pretty sure that > that could be my plant, but after looking online there are a few types that > are called "onion plants". One of them sends shoots up to the surface, and > mine hasn't done that so I don't think it's that kind, I'm leaning towards > this one as mine is VERY long and in the 125 gallon tank it's still long > enough to grow across the surface of the water, it's at least 4 feet long I > swear, LOL. I have a big one and a smaller one that was mostly just a bulb > when I bought it (the LFS gave it to me for free cuz it didn't look good, > yay, LOL). The smaller one now has 5 leaves on it and the longest one > reaches half way up the tank, it's definitely growing fast IMO, I've had > them only since late november maybe early december. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and > > I remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it > > was. Is this yours??? > > > > http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large > > _p/ww5 > > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_larg > > e_p/ww5> > > 48.htm > > > > If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on > > them since the above link is just a retail site. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36329	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Onion Plant

Well i use thunderbird and my settings have the text wrapping turned off when I compose emails, it has it wrapped to a certain size on incoming emails so they're all the same width, but it's a large size too, and I notice that yahoo seems to wordwrap on some posts too and not others. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I use Outlook 2003 as my email client. I always thought it was Yahoo > Groups > that broke the links but there is a setting in Outlook to have > "margins" or > rather the length of a line be only a certain number of characters. I did > notice a link you recently posted that was 4-5 lines long and wasn't > broken. > > Maybe \\Steve// can elaborate on this since he's an Outlook guru as > well as > a fish guru. > > \\Steve//, > > On the Tools>Options>Mail Format tab>Internet Format button, there's a > drop > down menu to choose a number for plain text wrapping. I have mine set > at 76 > but maybe I should have something different. I don't remember if that > was a > default setting or not and didn't want to click the "Change to Default" > button. What number do you have for this setting? Do you think this might > be the cause of breaking links, instead of Yahoo Groups causing it? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Amber's Onion Plant > > Lenny what do you use to write your emails with? I notice that when I cut > and paste long links most of mine don't get chopped off, but yours all > seems > to be wordwrapped, I think some sort of wordwrapping is what's cutting > your > links up, just a thought. I'm checking out the plant. I'm pretty sure that > that could be my plant, but after looking online there are a few types > that > are called "onion plants". One of them sends shoots up to the surface, and > mine hasn't done that so I don't think it's that kind, I'm leaning towards > this one as mine is VERY long and in the 125 gallon tank it's still long > enough to grow across the surface of the water, it's at least 4 feet > long I > swear, LOL. I have a big one and a smaller one that was mostly just a bulb > when I bought it (the LFS gave it to me for free cuz it didn't look good, > yay, LOL). The smaller one now has 5 leaves on it and the longest one > reaches half way up the tank, it's definitely growing fast IMO, I've had > them only since late november maybe early december. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > I was looking for something else and came across an "onion plant" and > > I remember you recently mentioned you had one but didn't know what it > > was. Is this yours??? > > > > > http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_large> > > _p/ww5 > > > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_larg > <http://www.aquariumplants.com/Crinum_Onion_Plant_Crinum_thaianum_larg> > > e_p/ww5> > > 48.htm > > > > If it is, at least you have a scientific name to do more research on > > them since the above link is just a retail site. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36330	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

That YouTube series from NatGeo has a section on Shell Dweller cichlids from Africa. Here's the first part of the entire 10 part series on YouTube called "National Geographic's Jewel Of The Rift", all about rift lakes cichlids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nrPdnzW6eo&feature=channel In the section called more from this member, you'll see the other 9 parts. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae I don't think our LFS has ever had shellies, I will have to go look and see what they look like now ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > And if you ever get some shellies, they'll probably like that conch > shell... > or they might call it a big old high-rise penthouse shell since I > doubt they see conch shells in their native waters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:39 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > That's a good idea, just need to figure out how I could do that now, > LOL. I have ideas forming already ;) I have good algae growing in the > big tank downstairs but so far it hasn't started growing on the new > ornaments (rock and a conk shell that's been sitting around my house > for years and I'm tired of finding in in odd places, so I boiled it > and added it to the tank and I have been checking to see if it's > affecting the hardness so far, I also removed all the coral from the > tank in the mean time, I wanted to be safe). > The bulb in this tank has a different looking spectrum, it's a > purplish looking light so it has plenty of blue, which would make > sense as to why it grows algae so well. It also makes sense why the > previous owner of the tank always had green water. She never cleaned > her filter and I'm sure she overfed her fish (the kids helped too > much) and the tank light was left on a lot of the time. I got tired of > giving her advice and when she left the tank here I cleaned it and put > it to use and now she can't have it back, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You could also try some floating plants like Anacharis which would > > help suck up some of the nutrients but would also block some of the > > lighting.... or you could rig up some way of hanging flat rocks near > > the top of that tank so they grow the algae and then you simply > > rotate them to the Hillstream tank as I mentioned earlier. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:23 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > There is a window next to the tank but the curtain is always shut on > > it, so it can't be getting very much light from that window. I try > > to keep the tank light on less than 8 hours max. There are no live > > plants in the tank yet, I plan on adding those as soon as the LFS > > gets a better selection. It definately has a algae promoting light > > on it, none of the lower decorations have an algae but the upper > > parts of all the fake plants are covered in the hair algae. I've > > stopped the algae wafers in the feeding regime and will stick to the > > meaty foods. Will just have to keep the algae wafers on hand for > > when I get the pleco's > > :) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any > > > live plants? > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it > > > but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating > > > it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too > > > much food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are > > > carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise > > > the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates > > > and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water > > > column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate > > > test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a > > > tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless > > > it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for > > > pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae > > > is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it > > > gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting > > > some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging > > > off the back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the > > > algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the > > > Hillstream's tank and rotate them > > every week or so. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not > > > sure if any do actually). > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying > > > to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the > > > plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > > > tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding > > > the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > > timeframe, he > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the > > > downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), > > > just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how > > > hungry he's acting when I watch him > > > ;) LOL. > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit > > > of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36331	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

You may be able to find the foam you need at one of those craft stores, which you probably do not have on that remote Alaskan island of yours. (Do you see Russia when you look out your window?) Otherwise you would need to look online. You want a foam that has not been treated with anything, particularly mildewcides. I do not know how they would list pore size. You would need foam whose pores are not too small nor too large, so you may need to do some research on that. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > Okay after a lot of translating and fumbling through the site and bad > translation from google ;) I think I have it figured out. > 18 inches tall by 19 inches long (in a semi-circle on one corner of the > tank), I'm going to use foam/filter pad that's at least 2 inches thick, > maybe 3 or so if I can find it. > Now any suggestions on filter pads that come in that thickness and that > size? LOL. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Use onlineconversions.com to do the conversions both ways for you. No > > math skills beyond the ability to enter numbers correctly and select the > > right conversions correctly are needed. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:58 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) > > > I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I > > > normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that > > come > > > in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > > water > > > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, > > but > > > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a > > corner. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > > will > > > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation > > option, > > > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous > > translation > > > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > > > entries. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > > type > > > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > > > from > > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > > the > > > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't > > know > > > > any > > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > > I > > > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > > make > > > > sure > > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > > better > > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > > then > > > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to > > have > > > > the > > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > > be > > > > on > > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > > pushed > > > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 > > inches > > > > long. > > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > > these > > > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>>) sometime > > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > > list. > > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>>) and it has > > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > > number > > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > > cannot > > > > read > > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > > larger > > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > > its > > > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, > > you > > > > should > > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > > the > > > > site > > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > > chance > > > > of > > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > > correctly > > > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > > effort > > > > to > > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > > which > > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > > use > > > > the > > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > > of > > > > the > > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > > tank to > > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > > for > > > > the > > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > > larger > > > > fish > > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > > smaller > > > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using > > the > > > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > > certainly > > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36332	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

If it's not super-buoyant, then adding a piece of slate might be all it needs to sink it. Then once you clear a section of any gravel, put the slate flat on the bottom and then cover the slate with gravel and that will further help keep it sunk. You could also let it float. I think fish are able to deal with some floating wood... at least they do it in the wild and I don't catch a lot of fish with hickeys on their foreheads... of course maybe those are the ones I am catching and they are too punch-drunk to realize the old worm on the hook trick. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae I don't think we get much roofing slate up here to be honest, we have a lot of metal or wooden types of shingles though. Gosh just the words roofing slate make me imagine barking pieces of slate, LOL. Maybe I'll wash the 2 small pieces again and after the hot wash cycle I'll throw them into the tub to soak to see if that helps them sink.... I was tempted to just put them in the tank and let them float around the top but didn't want it to bang into fish, I guess I could tie it off, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have slate > roof shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new pieces of > slate. ;-) Also check with a roofing supply to see what they do with > their broken pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. > > I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I > guess it depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of driftwood > are each around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are about as > thick around as a normal sized fore-arm (not the Governator's.. lol) > but I guess if you had a piece as big around as Arnold's pythons, then > maybe drilling holes would help but I would drill the holes from the > bottom up so they wouldn't become traps for detritus that might cause > wood rotting issues and they wouldn't be as visible. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a > landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost > up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will > drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? > I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still > floats, ugh, LOL. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to > > be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to > > put them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher > > (before the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the > > dishwasher tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it > > would more easily soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from > > BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a piece of slate screwed > > to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a base for the > > driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it > > submerged during the curing/soaking > stage. > > > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of > > slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for > > the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth > > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with > > the bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of > > your tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the slate. > > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's > > definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as > > fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, > > now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think > > the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > > spots). > > > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, > > but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae > > already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have > > the > > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will > > basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few > > decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes > > wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the > > loaches get picked on or anything). > > > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe > > I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now > > my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in > > their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or > > not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any > > > live plants? > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it > > > but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating > > > it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too > > > much food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are > > > carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to make sure... > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise > > > the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates > > > and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water > > > column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate > > > test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a > > > tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless > > > it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for > > > pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five minutes. > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae > > > is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it > > > gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting > > > some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging > > > off the back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the > > > algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the > > > Hillstream's tank and rotate them > > every week or so. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not > > > sure if any do actually). > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying > > > to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the > > > plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > > > tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding > > > the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out the system" > > > timeframe, he > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the > > > downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), > > > just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how > > > hungry he's acting when I watch him > > > ;) LOL. > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit > > > of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36333	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured of good service <GG>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the person > would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they could breathe > through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's open-cell. Open-cell > foams are usually much less dense than closed-cell foams. Of course, these > products at the craft store might only come in an off-white color and you > would probably want a dark colored foam if it's going to be visible in the > tank. > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of http://www.coastalpond.com/ also > sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his prices. Send > him an email billdowden@... and tell him Lenny from the Ponds-Koi > group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell > him he owes me another quarter for doing some marketing for him. LOL > > Here's his normal retail prices. > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll see > those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with math, > LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't even find large > filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally use, does anyone have any > suggestions on filter pads that come in large sizes so you can custom fit > them? (I need one at least 2 feet wide and long, longer would be better just > to have extra though). > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the water > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, but > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a corner. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation option, > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous translation > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > entries. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner type > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > from > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get the > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know > > any > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make > > sure > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > better > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room then > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have > > the > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also be > > on > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and pushed > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches > > long. > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > list. > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > number > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot > > read > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > larger > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and its > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > > should > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than the > > site > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better chance > > of > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the effort > > to > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > which > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use > > the > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of > > the > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > tank to > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space for > > the > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > > fish > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a smaller > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > certainly > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36334	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Sure... UPS works okay, but they can't get it here as fast as Fed Ex ;). I've had to go find them on several occasions to get my packages from the UPS drivers, it's a small town so we don't have too much competition, we're fairly friendly towards each other even though we know they're a competitor (the fastest they can get stuff here is 3-5 days). Usually they leave stuff at my door though, I've gotten enough stuff in the last few months that I think they know me well enough now ;) LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured of > good service <GG>. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I > > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the person > > would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they could > breathe > > through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's open-cell. > Open-cell > > foams are usually much less dense than closed-cell foams. Of course, > these > > products at the craft store might only come in an off-white color > and you > > would probably want a dark colored foam if it's going to be visible > in the > > tank. > > > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of http://www.coastalpond.com/ > <http://www.coastalpond.com/> also > > sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his prices. > Send > > him an email billdowden@... <mailto:billdowden%40yahoo.com> > and tell him Lenny from the Ponds-Koi > > group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins pricing. ;-) Oh > yeah.. tell > > him he owes me another quarter for doing some marketing for him. LOL > > > > Here's his normal retail prices. > > > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > <http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html> > > > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > <http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html> > > > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > <http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7> > > > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll see > > those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > math, > > LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't even > find large > > filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally use, does anyone > have any > > suggestions on filter pads that come in large sizes so you can > custom fit > > them? (I need one at least 2 feet wide and long, longer would be > better just > > to have extra though). > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the water > > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, but > > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a > corner. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the will > > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation > option, > > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous > translation > > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > > entries. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > type > > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > > from > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to > get the > > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't know > > > any > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think I > > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to make > > > sure > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > better > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough > room then > > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to have > > > the > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will > also be > > > on > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > pushed > > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 inches > > > long. > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think these > > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>>) sometime > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > list. > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>>) and it has > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > number > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you cannot > > > read > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > larger > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter > and its > > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, you > > > should > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth > than the > > > site > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > chance > > > of > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more correctly > > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > effort > > > to > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > which > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to use > > > the > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness of > > > the > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > tank to > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back > space for > > > the > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with larger > > > fish > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > smaller > > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using the > > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > certainly > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

So... do you think they'll use packing foam peanuts when shipping foam? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured of good service <GG>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the > person would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they > could breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's > open-cell. Open-cell foams are usually much less dense than > closed-cell foams. Of course, these products at the craft store might > only come in an off-white color and you would probably want a dark > colored foam if it's going to be visible in the tank. > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of http://www.coastalpond.com/ > also sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his > prices. Send him an email billdowden@... and tell him Lenny > from the Ponds-Koi group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins > pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell him he owes me another quarter for doing > some marketing for him. LOL > > Here's his normal retail prices. > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll > see those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't > even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally > use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in > large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of > course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a corner. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > > will enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the > > tank you will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a > > translation option, and you can read the site that way. There are > > also numerous translation engines that will help you also on the > > web. Just keep in mind that Germany is a metric country, so use > > metric measurements for your entries. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > > > type and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of > > > foam > > from > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > > > the right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I > > > don't know > > any > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > > > I have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > > > make > > sure > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > better > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > > > then the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going > > > to have > > the > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > > > be > > on > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > > > pushed from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's > > > 48 inches > > long. > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > > > these filters work great and except from losing space in the tank > > > it's definitely worth it according to them as it's the best > > > biological filtration there is. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > list. > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > number > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > > > > cannot > > read > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > larger > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > > > > its efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the > > > > effort, you > > should > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > > > > the > > site > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > > > > chance > > of > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > > > > correctly stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > > > > effort > > to > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > which > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > > > > use > > the > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > > > > of > > the > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > tank to > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > > > > for > > the > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > > > > larger > > fish > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > > > > smaller tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by > > > > using the curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > certainly > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36336	From: Philip Charles	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: PH vs Ammonia levels

Tell me what factor the PH level of fresh water tanks can rule the level of the Ammonia? Also what is the recommended level of Ph for guppies? Two questions. Thanks group................. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36337	From: bill1433	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Amber,    Run a quick check at any furniture repair shops in our area.  They may have thicker foam at almost 6" if you wish.  Cut and shape?  No problem!  Use any electric craving knife, works great.   Ask, but I'm almost sure, this type of foam would be hygienically safe for use in an aquarium.     Bill --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 6:16 PM Okay after a lot of translating and fumbling through the site and bad translation from google ;) I think I have it figured out. 18 inches tall by 19 inches long (in a semi-circle on one corner of the tank), I'm going to use foam/filter pad that's at least 2 inches thick, maybe 3 or so if I can find it. Now any suggestions on filter pads that come in that thickness and that size? LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Use onlineconversions. com to do the conversions both ways for you. No > math skills beyond the ability to enter numbers correctly and select the > right conversions correctly are needed. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) > > I can't even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I > > normally use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that > come > > in large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > water > > doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of course, > but > > thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape in a > corner. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > will > > > enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the tank you > > > will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a translation > option, > > > and you can read the site that way. There are also numerous > translation > > > engines that will help you also on the web. Just keep in mind that > > > Germany is a metric country, so use metric measurements for your > > > entries. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > type > > > > and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of foam > > > from > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > the > > > > right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I don't > know > > > any > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > I > > > > have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > make > > > sure > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > better > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > then > > > > the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going to > have > > > the > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > be > > > on > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > pushed > > > > from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's 48 > inches > > > long. > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > these > > > > filters work great and except from losing space in the tank it's > > > > definitely worth it according to them as it's the best biological > > > > filtration there is. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/> > > > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/>> > > > > > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/> > > > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/>>>) sometime > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > list. > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > (http://www.deters- ing.de/ <http://www.deters- ing.de/> > <http://www.deters- ing.de/ <http://www.deters- ing.de/>> > > > <http://www.deters- ing.de/ <http://www.deters- ing.de/> > <http://www.deters- ing.de/ <http://www.deters- ing.de/>>>) and it has > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > number > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > cannot > > > read > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > larger > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > its > > > > > efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the effort, > you > > > should > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > the > > > site > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > chance > > > of > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > correctly > > > > > stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > effort > > > to > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > which > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > use > > > the > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > of > > > the > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > tank to > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > for > > > the > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > larger > > > fish > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > smaller > > > > > tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by using > the > > > > > curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > certainly > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36338	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: PH vs Ammonia levels

This below page has a series of charts showing the toxicity levels of ammonia at various pH levels and temperatures... the higher the temp and pH, the more toxic ammonia becomes... and conversely, the lower the temp and lower the pH, the less toxic it becomes. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/AmmoniaTox.html Guppies generally do well at most pH levels but basic levels are best 7.0+ http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Charles Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:41 PM To: aquatic Life Subject: [AquaticLife] PH vs Ammonia levels Tell me what factor the PH level of fresh water tanks can rule the level of the Ammonia? Also what is the recommended level of Ph for guppies? Two questions. Thanks group.................

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36339	From: John Ferris	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Alkalinity in reef tank

Can someone tell me what a normal alkalinity level should be? The Instant Ocean test tells you how to test it but they don't tell you what a decent level is! I think mine is .25ppl. The test is fill the vial and put in drops until the color changes to yellow/green. It took me 10 drops and then you divide by 4 to come up with the answer. Any help is appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36340	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Air pillows. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > So... do you think they'll use packing foam peanuts when shipping foam? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured of good > service <GG>. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I > > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the > > person would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they > > could breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's > > open-cell. Open-cell foams are usually much less dense than > > closed-cell foams. Of course, these products at the craft store might > > only come in an off-white color and you would probably want a dark > > colored foam if it's going to be visible in the tank. > > > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of http://www.coastalpond.com/ > > also sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his > > prices. Send him an email billdowden@... and tell him Lenny > > from the Ponds-Koi group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins > > pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell him he owes me another quarter for doing > > some marketing for him. LOL > > > > Here's his normal retail prices. > > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > > > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > > > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > > > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll > > see those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't > > even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally > > use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in > > large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > > water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of > > course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold it's shape > in a corner. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > > > will enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the > > > tank you will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a > > > translation option, and you can read the site that way. There are > > > also numerous translation engines that will help you also on the > > > web. Just keep in mind that Germany is a metric country, so use > > > metric measurements for your entries. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > > > > type and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of > > > > foam > > > from > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > > > > the right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I > > > > don't know > > > any > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > > > > I have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > > > > make > > > sure > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > better > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > > > > then the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going > > > > to have > > > the > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > > > > be > > > on > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > > > > pushed from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's > > > > 48 inches > > > long. > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > > > > these filters work great and except from losing space in the tank > > > > it's definitely worth it according to them as it's the best > > > > biological filtration there is. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>) sometime > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > list. > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>) and it has > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > number > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > > > > > cannot > > > read > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > larger > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > > > > > its efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the > > > > > effort, you > > > should > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > > > > > the > > > site > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > > > > > chance > > > of > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > > > > > correctly stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > > > > > effort > > > to > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > which > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > > > > > use > > > the > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > > > > > of > > > the > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > tank to > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > > > > > for > > > the > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > > > > > larger > > > fish > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > > > > > smaller tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by > > > > > using the curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > certainly > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36341	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

ok i agree i need to get a test kit. and i will but i will have to wait untell the tusday after next wich is when i get payed. and as soon as i can i will get you the numbers you recwested. im going to go check out lennys fliter matance page becuse thats deffanitly something i need to do thanks much

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36342	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

hay lenny, my filter is a cascade 300 inturnal filter. neather of the filter things you have are for inturnal filters. i cant find any thing online about how to clean a cascade inturnal filter. maby im just bilind. can you help me?? any aquaticlife users have this filter??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36343	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank

When I divide 10 by 4, I get 2.5. What is the alkalinity of your tap water? After 24 hours? After 48 hours? Does this differ from your tank measurement? There is no set level for alkalinity, though you should try to maintain it as it comes from the tap, usually done by water changes. If there is a big difference between the tap measurement and the tank measurement, then we can start looking for the cause of this change to rectify it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Ferris > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank > > Can someone tell me what a normal alkalinity level should be? > > > > The Instant Ocean test tells you how to test it but they don't tell you what > a decent level is! > > > > I think mine is .25ppl. > > > > The test is fill the vial and put in drops until the color changes to > yellow/green. > > It took me 10 drops and then you divide by 4 to come up with the answer. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36344	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Have you tried http://www.pennplax.com/ for filter information, and downloading the instruction sheet from their FTP site? Might be worth a try. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > hay lenny, my filter is a cascade 300 inturnal filter. neather of the > filter things you have are for inturnal filters. i cant find any thing > online about how to clean a cascade inturnal filter. maby im just > bilind. can you help me?? > > any aquaticlife users have this filter?? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36345	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Thanks, Amber. It will be a while before I am ready for them but I'll let you know how I like them when I get them in and they start growing. I really don't have much doubt that I will like them, though. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Well I hope you like them :) Mine are very pretty additions to the tank as they are a nice dark green in color (the new leaves are light green), they do grow a little algae on them but it doesn't seem too bad so far the last couple of months. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so > much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! > > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. > > And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's > > why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high > > light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if > > mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week > > on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every > > week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 > > plants and seeing how they do. > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > > > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > > > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > > > setup. I > > > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > > > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > > > about > > > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to > safely > > > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > > > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > > > convinced him > > > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > > > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > > > them just because of looks in the first place then after > researching the > > > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, > even > > > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as > they have > > > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > > > leaves though ;) > > > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > > > relative, LOL). > > > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209 > > > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209> > > > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19 > > > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19> > > > > > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely > likes > > > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish > that go > > > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > > > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > > > >> > > > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > >> > > > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > > > typically > > > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > > > light, > > > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > > > wood or > > > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > > > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > > > >> slow. > > > >> > > > > >> > Amber > > > >> > > > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > > > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to > nibble > > > >> >> on. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > >> >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > > > means it's > > > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > > > but it > > > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > > > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't > seem too > > > >> bad, > > > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted > tank. > > > >> >> > Amber > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > > > >> wondering - > > > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > > > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > > > >> >> >> http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> >> > > > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > > > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> >>> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36346	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Thanks Lenny, for the more specific clarification. I was not thinking of larger fish when I posted the message and should have been. I was primarily thinking of the number of fish that were going to land in the particular aquarium. But I guess the Dwarf G. is larger than 3", isn't it? I don't remember their size off hand. No matter, there was no room given the current occupants, need for a school of tetras, and lack of cycling with that tank. I think Leanna will need a quite a bit of help for a little while and then she will do great. It is nice to see new members who want to do well and are so willing to try. Go Leanna! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Deb P., I know some pet stores and some folks still throw this "one inch rule" around but it's not a good rule at all... unless you add a disclaimer that it only works for slim-bodied fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults. For example, you cannot put a 10" fish in a 10G tank. You could have three 3" fish though as long as they are not schooling fish and don't mind the cramped quarters... or five 2" fish or 10 1" fish, once again, as long as they don't mind the cramped quarters. Very active and fast swimming fish do not like 10G tanks since there's not a lot of room for them to swim before running into glass. Here's my own simple guideline for stocking a tank... http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/new-rules- guidelines- to-replace- 1-per. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Hi Leanna, We will take these two issues one at a time because you are right that you have to deal with your problem at hand before you can add fish. But I'll start by talking about adding the fish because I do want you to know what you will be looking at in the future. Since there is not going to be room in your tank for all of your fish when they grow up, you could return some of the other fish to your local pet store now and ask for credit toward more neons. Maybe you could do a school of neons in your tank and have one other fish with them? The rule of thumb in tanks is one inch of fish per gallon of water. You have a 10 gallon tank, so you can only have 10 inches of fish total. That is after you add up all of the fish in your tank, figuring out how big they will be when they grow up. The pet store can tell you how big they will be or the mongobay website can tell you. The reason your fish died is probably the water quality. If your tank is only a month old, you probably added too many fish too fast and they died from ammonia poisoning. That is what happens when you have too many fish in a tank. So, here's what you need to do. Go to your local fish store and get a water test kit. I use API but get whatever they have. The kind that has the glass bottles is a more accurate and less expensive in the long run than the strips that you dip in water. Bring the kit home and follow the directions to test the water and find out what your ammonia levels are, your nitrite levels are, and your nitrate levels are, and your Ph levels are. E-mail us back and let us know. We'll help you from there. Good luck! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 11:37 AM hi lenny my corycat is one of the little spices. the name starts with a P. i lookd threw the old posts to see if i could find the list of names you gave me last time but couldent find it and the link you gave me dusent have it listed. he dusent get big at all. as for my little neon(his names morph)i dont know what im gunna do. i dont want to get more untell i figure out why they kep dieing. it was horrable to keep finding dead fish. neon tetras have been a fav of mine since i was 5 years old i would love to have a few more. it just hurts to watch them die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36347	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Don't want to get that foam dented up y'know ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Air pillows. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:09 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > So... do you think they'll use packing foam peanuts when shipping > foam? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured of good > > service <GG>. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, etc. I > > > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the > > > person would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if they > > > could breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's > > > open-cell. Open-cell foams are usually much less dense than > > > closed-cell foams. Of course, these products at the craft store might > > > only come in an off-white color and you would probably want a dark > > > colored foam if it's going to be visible in the tank. > > > > > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of > http://www.coastalpond.com/ <http://www.coastalpond.com/> > > > also sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his > > > prices. Send him an email billdowden@... > <mailto:billdowden%40yahoo.com> and tell him Lenny > > > from the Ponds-Koi group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins > > > pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell him he owes me another quarter for doing > > > some marketing for him. LOL > > > > > > Here's his normal retail prices. > > > > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > <http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html> > > > > > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > > > > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > <http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html> > > > > > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > <http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7> > > > > > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll > > > see those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't > > > even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally > > > use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in > > > large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > > > water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of > > > course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold > it's shape > > in a corner. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > > > > will enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the > > > > tank you will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a > > > > translation option, and you can read the site that way. There are > > > > also numerous translation engines that will help you also on the > > > > web. Just keep in mind that Germany is a metric country, so use > > > > metric measurements for your entries. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > > > > > type and see how well it works. I need to go get the right kind of > > > > > foam > > > > from > > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take to get > > > > > the right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I > > > > > don't know > > > > any > > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and think > > > > > I have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > > > > > make > > > > sure > > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I have a > > > > better > > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough room > > > > > then the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going > > > > > to have > > > > the > > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake will also > > > > > be > > > > on > > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > > > > > pushed from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so it's > > > > > 48 inches > > > > long. > > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > > > > > these filters work great and except from losing space in the tank > > > > > it's definitely worth it according to them as it's the best > > > > > biological filtration there is. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>>) sometime > > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing on this > > > > list. > > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>>) and it has > > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There are a > > > > number > > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > > > > > > cannot > > > > read > > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > > larger > > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the filter and > > > > > > its efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the > > > > > > effort, you > > > > should > > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth than > > > > > > the > > > > site > > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > > > > > > chance > > > > of > > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > > > > > > correctly stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > > > > > > effort > > > > to > > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain things of > > > > which > > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > > > > > > use > > > > the > > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > > > > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back of the > > > > tank to > > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back space > > > > > > for > > > > the > > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > > > > > > larger > > > > fish > > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > > > > > > smaller tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat obviated by > > > > > > using the curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > > certainly > > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36348	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Oh Lenny! You do have an evil side, don't you! ROFL! My next scavenger hunt is going to have 125g fish tank included in it, with your policy! Hmmm, maybe I had better include a nice big canister filter to go with that, eh? Thanks for the laugh. Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Throw a scavenger hunt party and have "nice garden rocks" and "nice river rocks" as some of the items on the list and then let the other partiers get them for you. ;-) I threw a scavenger hunt party when I was in my early 20's and put a rear tail light lens for a 1972 Ford Pinto as one of the items... since I was having trouble finding this part for my old clunker car. And yes, someone found one... although I'm sure that someone else also had to have a scavenger hunt to find a rear tail light lens for their 1972 Pinto the next day. I used "don't ask, don't tell" as the governing guideline for where things came from. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:35 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber Well I'm making the background look like real rocks but be lightweight and easy to attach to the back of the tank, I have some real rocks to use for the bottom of the tank though, but not many. I need the weather to warm up so I can walk up the river/streams we have on the island before I can get any more river rocks, I don't think people like it if you take them out of their yards ;) LOL. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Why aren't you going to use real rocks? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on > the background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in > the middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. > I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy > did. > http://forums. > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= hillstream+ > loach > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= hillstream+ > loach>> loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= hillstream+ loach > I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like > shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using > more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. > As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link > them, also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. > http://www.janrigte <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/>> > r.nl/mattenfilter/ > I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the > powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube > running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses > and go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the > other direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to > the intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered > with the fake rock background that I'm going to make. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are > > the politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding > > him by generations. > > > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care > > of most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect > > the lime would have. > > > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've > > never used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have > > been the reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made variety. > > > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit > > more orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The > > drawback with lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, > > against which, the fish may injure themselves. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. > > > Aren't script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files > > > and will anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to > > > accept a file > > from an > > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the > > > Word > > file > > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > > > > http://74.125. > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ docu > men > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ docu > men>> 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ documen > > <http://74.125. > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ docu > men > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ docu > men>> 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ documen> > > ts/R > > > ECIPEFORAHYPER. doc+www.nwlamg. org/documents& hl=en&ct= clnk&cd=1& gl= > > > us > > > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) > > > www.nwlamg.org/ documents > > and it > > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View > > > as > > HTML" > > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE > > > favorite > > also. > > > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's > > > not showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about > > > using > > cement > > > then also. > > > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy > > > or > > still > > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. > > > The > > recipe > > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to > > > the > > peat > > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this > > > will deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices.... " > > > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much > > > because of > > the > > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about > > > the > > cement. > > > http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement# Portland_ cement > > <http://en.wikipedia > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement>> > .org/wiki/Cement# Portland_ cement> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you > > > use, > > the > > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > > available > > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first > > > hit > > on > > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana > > > State Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in > > > with the > > link. > > > www.nwlamg.org/ documents/ RECIPEFORAHYPER. doc > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36349	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )

Deb, I have a friend also named Deb. She and I usually sign our e-mails to one another "other Deb" and we refer to one another that way. We have a lot of fun with it. : ) Deb P. (Other Deb) --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: LOL! Maybe I'll take that for my signature! "Other Deb" and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) Hmmmm . . . maybe not ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: My hubby doesn't usually have an opinion on fish, I'm jealous, LOL. And yes, plants would reduce the water changes you have to do, that's why I suggested anubias as they don't require anything special (no high light, nutrients, co2, etc) and they grow pretty well. I'm not sure if mine are growing faster than normal but I get a couple new leaves a week on the small on (nana), the big one seems to put out a new leaf every week or so. I'm thinking of breaking the bigger anubias in half into 2 plants and seeing how they do. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Ooookay. I put a little flag by your post and I'll come back and look > into the Anubias after I get this durned circular saw to work so I can > finish converting the buffet into a stand for the larger aquarium > setup. I > know plants will probably reduce the number of PWCs I need to do, but > there's just so many new things to think about and I'm really paranoid > about > bringing in new diseases or parasites, which means learning how to safely > introduce new stuff and I'm also having to convince hubby to hold off on > buying new fish until I get a much bigger setup. I think I've > convinced him > to get white cloud minnows instead of neons when that day comes, but I > suspect it will come long before it should (surprise!). > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > Anubias are so easy to grow, and you might like them after all. I got > > them just because of looks in the first place then after researching the > > plats figured out that I have at least 2 different anubias types in my > > tank, and both grow very well, don't need anything special at all, even > > low lighting is great. My fish don't try to eat them either as they have > > very thick leaves, the angel's like to lay eggs on the one with big > > leaves though ;) > > My bigger anubias is one of these (I think, if not it's a close > > relative, LOL). > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=209> > > and I'm pretty sure my smaller anubias is a nana, like this one here. > > http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19 > <http://www.plantgee k.net/plantguide _viewer.php? id=19> > > > > Both are growing very well, also if you want something different that > > onion plant that Lenny pointed out in another thread also grows very > > well and the fish don't eat it. I'm not sure how much goldfish eat for > > plants, but one of mine (or maybe a few, not sure yet) definitely likes > > to eat plants and uproot them too, I swear I have a gang of fish that go > > around eating and uprooting my plants while I'm not looking ;) I come > > back to find them floating or MIA completely, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I really haven't looked into any water plants. It overwhelms me just > >> to think of adding plants into the mix right now. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> > >> > Have you looked at getting any of the Anubias types? They are > typically > >> > not eaten by any fish and are slow growing, don't need a lot of > light, > >> > so very easy to grow, you can glue then or tie them to rocks or > wood or > >> > ornaments and they will grow there. I have a few types and some are > >> > small (like the Nana, and some are big leaves) but all of them grow > >> slow. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I don't have any plants in my tank. I doubt I'll be putting in any > >> >> permanent ones in - just maybe something for the goldfish to nibble > >> >> on. > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> >> <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> >> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:01 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > >> >> > >> >> > It removes nitrogenous organic waste, I would assume that > means it's > >> >> > removing waste and other nitrates, not ammonia and nitrites, > but it > >> >> > doesn't specify anything except "waste" LOL. > >> >> > If it just removes waste (or nitrates) then that doesn't seem too > >> bad, > >> >> > as long as it doesn't remove too much and you have a planted tank. > >> >> > Amber > >> >> > > >> >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm looking at the description at the SeaChem website and > >> wondering - > >> >> >> wouldn't it kill off all the good bacteria if it's that good at > >> >> >> preventing ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? > >> >> >> http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> >> > >> >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > > >> >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> > >> <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html > <http://www.seachem com/Products/ product_pages/ Purigen.html> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36350	From: harry perry	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: A new home page photo

This is Betta Simplex. A mouth brooding Betta. There are over 60 species of Betta throughout the world. Most of them are not fighting fish. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36351	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hamburger Mattenfilter

Went out the the LFS and got a few more plants. I grabbed some anacharis for the betta tank, I think Lenny suggested it but not sure. I also threw a sword in the betta tank too to see if that helps eat up excess nutrients. I also couldn't resist getting some of the new swords they got in too, no clue exactly which kind they are as half of them were unlabeled but I could tell they're a sword by how one was growing a baby offshoot on it already, I put those into the 125 gallon tank and made sure to use plant weights and put extra gravel around the plants just in case the severum wants to move them for me ;) I also put some gravel in the guppy fry tank, they seemed to appreciate it right away by searching it for food for me ;). I took the long silk plant out that's growing hair algae like crazy, not sure what to do with it, I could rinse it out really well and throw it in the big tank for now. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Don't want to get that foam dented up y'know ;) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > Air pillows. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:09 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > So... do you think they'll use packing foam peanuts when shipping > > foam? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > Hopefully, your "forum Friend" ships via UPS so Amber is assured > of good > > > service <GG>. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > Some craft stores will sell open-cell foam for use in pillows, > etc. I > > > > remember we had a thread here or in another yahoo group where the > > > > person would take the foam and put it up to their face to see if > they > > > > could breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's > > > > open-cell. Open-cell foams are usually much less dense than > > > > closed-cell foams. Of course, these products at the craft store > might > > > > only come in an off-white color and you would probably want a dark > > > > colored foam if it's going to be visible in the tank. > > > > > > > > My "forum friend" Bill Dowden, owner of > > http://www.coastalpond.com/ <http://www.coastalpond.com/> > <http://www.coastalpond.com/ <http://www.coastalpond.com/>> > > > > also sells this product and many others but I haven't checked his > > > > prices. Send him an email billdowden@... > <mailto:billdowden%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:billdowden%40yahoo.com> and tell him Lenny > > > > from the Ponds-Koi group sent you so you want the special N'Awlins > > > > pricing. ;-) Oh yeah.. tell him he owes me another quarter for doing > > > > some marketing for him. LOL > > > > > > > > Here's his normal retail prices. > > > > > > > http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > <http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html> > > > <http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html > <http://www.coastalpond.com/filtration-bio-filter-material-c-3_37.html>> > > > > > > > > Here's a couple of other sites that sell the dark foam. > > > > > > > > http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > <http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html> > > <http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html > <http://www.lagunakoi.com/subcat139.html>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > <http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7> > > <http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7 > <http://www.suburbanponds.com/shop/details.php?productId=32&catId=7>> > > > > > > > > If you do a Google for - open cell foam for use in filters - you'll > > > > see those two sites and many others to compare prices. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:58 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > I was trying to get my hubby to do that work for me, I'm awful with > > > > math, LOL. Not to mention if I have to convert it first ;) I can't > > > > even find large filter pieces for sale on all the sites I normally > > > > use, does anyone have any suggestions on filter pads that come in > > > > large sizes so you can custom fit them? (I need one at least 2 feet > > > > wide and long, longer would be better just to have extra though). > > > > It also needs to be thick I think, so it holds it's shape and the > > > > water doesn't push it over ;) I'm going to secure it into place of > > > > course, but thicker sponge filter media will work best to hold > > it's shape > > > in a corner. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > You do need to go to the German site to find the calculators the > > > > > will enable you to properly size the foam for the filter for the > > > > > tank you will be using. If you do a Google, they will offer a > > > > > translation option, and you can read the site that way. There are > > > > > also numerous translation engines that will help you also on the > > > > > web. Just keep in mind that Germany is a metric country, so use > > > > > metric measurements for your entries. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:49 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hamburger Mattenfilter > > > > > > > > > > > > I already plan on it Steve, LOL. I'm going to try out the corner > > > > > > type and see how well it works. I need to go get the right > kind of > > > > > > foam > > > > > from > > > > > > my LFS or order it though, so not sure how long it'll take > to get > > > > > > the right kind of foam. I didn't look at the german site as I > > > > > > don't know > > > > > any > > > > > > german ;) But I found a few other people online using it and > think > > > > > > I have enough knowledge to at least give it a shot. I'm going to > > > > > > make > > > > > sure > > > > > > there's plenty of space behind the matten filter so that I > have a > > > > > better > > > > > > success rate, according to the site if you don't have enough > room > > > > > > then the water won't even flow through the filter, but I'm going > > > > > > to have > > > > > the > > > > > > powerhead intake behind it and my canister filter intake > will also > > > > > > be > > > > > on > > > > > > the other side of it, so water should be pulled through it (and > > > > > > pushed from the other end of the tank). It's a 55 gallon, so > it's > > > > > > 48 inches > > > > > long. > > > > > > I will let you know how it goes, a lot of people seem to think > > > > > > these filters work great and except from losing space in the > tank > > > > > > it's definitely worth it according to them as it's the best > > > > > > biological filtration there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I picked up this link > (http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>> > > > > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/> > > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/ > <http://www.janrigter.nl/mattenfilter/>>>>) sometime > > > > > > > in the past week or so from one of the threads appearing > on this > > > > > list. > > > > > > > There is a link to the original site, in German, on this page > > > > > > > (http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>> > > > > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>> > > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/> > <http://www.deters-ing.de/ <http://www.deters-ing.de/>>>>) and it has > > > > > > > taken until now for me to get > > > > > > > around looking at it and seeing what it had to say. There > are a > > > > > number > > > > > > > of sites out there that can do translations for you if you > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > read > > > > > > > enough German to make sense of it. This site also gives a much > > > > > larger > > > > > > > set of calculations to determining the sizing of the > filter and > > > > > > > its efficacy. If you have the time and want to put in the > > > > > > > effort, you > > > > > should > > > > > > > visit the German site and read it. It goes into more depth > than > > > > > > > the > > > > > site > > > > > > > in English, and, as a result, you are likely to have a better > > > > > > > chance > > > > > of > > > > > > > success with this filter. (BTW, mattenfilter may be more > > > > > > > correctly stated as matt filter.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to put in the > > > > > > > effort > > > > > to > > > > > > > properly test this filter. There are, however, certain > things of > > > > > which > > > > > > > one must be aware when working with this filter. If you are to > > > > > > > use > > > > > the > > > > > > > style that goes across the back of the aquarium, the thickness > > > > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > foam used, along with the requisite spacing from the back > of the > > > > > tank to > > > > > > > allow for proper water flow, will reduce the front to back > space > > > > > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > fish. This would be more of a problem in a larger tank with > > > > > > > larger > > > > > fish > > > > > > > that may need a certain amount of room to turn in than in a > > > > > > > smaller tank with smaller fish. This may be somewhat > obviated by > > > > > > > using the curved version which takes up a corner space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to build one, and test it out, I would > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > like to hear of your experience with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36352	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Rock Making- Amber

Good idea, I got a laugh out of it too Deb, even read it to my hubby, LOL. I need to have a scavenger hunt for 50-60lbs of pea gravel, nice garden rocks and nice river rocks, flat or round, either works, LOL. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Oh Lenny! You do have an evil side, don't you! ROFL! My next scavenger > hunt is going to have 125g fish tank included in it, with your policy! > Hmmm, maybe I had better include a nice big canister filter to go with > that, eh? > > Thanks for the laugh. > Deb P. > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Throw a scavenger hunt party and have "nice garden rocks" and "nice river > > rocks" as some of the items on the list and then let the other > partiers get > > them for you. ;-) I threw a scavenger hunt party when I was in my early > > 20's and put a rear tail light lens for a 1972 Ford Pinto as one of the > > items... since I was having trouble finding this part for my old clunker > > car. And yes, someone found one... although I'm sure that someone else > also > > had to have a scavenger hunt to find a rear tail light lens for their 1972 > > Pinto the next day. I used "don't ask, don't tell" as the governing > > guideline for where things came from. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:35 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > Well I'm making the background look like real rocks but be lightweight and > > easy to attach to the back of the tank, I have some real rocks to use for > > the bottom of the tank though, but not many. I need the weather to warm up > > so I can walk up the river/streams we have on the island before I can get > > any more river rocks, I don't think people like it if you take them out of > > their yards ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > > > Why aren't you going to use real rocks? > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:38 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > I think I'll just stick with the foam I have and make rock layers on > > > the background, perhaps extend the bottom most one into the tank in > > > the middle to make a rock outcrop on the bottom. > > > I'm basically going to make a background very similar to what this guy > > > did. > > > http://forums. > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= > hillstream+ > > > loach > > > <http://forums. loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= > hillstream+ > > > loach>> loaches.com/ viewtopic. php?t=16770& highlight= hillstream+ > loach > > > I'm going to make areas to plant plants into the background like > > > shelves, figured with such a small space I could get away with using > > > more dirt around the plants and cover it with gravel. > > > As soon as I get the project fully underway with pics I will link > > > them, also I'm planning on using a filter idea from this site. > > > http://www.janrigte <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/ > > > <http://www.janrigte r.nl/mattenfilte r/>> > > > r.nl/mattenfilter/ > > > I'm going to do the "curved mat" down towards the end of the page, the > > > powerhead intake will be behind this sponge with the outtake tube > > > running out and along the back wall, it will then split into 2 hoses > > > and go to the other end of the tank, where they will point back the > > > other direction to push the flow back to the other end of the tank (to > > > the intake side). The hoses/tubing along the back wall will be covered > > > with the fake rock background that I'm going to make. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought it would be safe, since the only bad people down there are > > > > the politicians, made famous by Huey Long, but probably preceding > > > > him by generations. > > > > > > > > A couple of good scrubbings with straight vinegar should take care > > > > of most of the problem associated with cement, negating the effect > > > > the lime would have. > > > > > > > > I am not aware of any problems caused by the peat. But, then, I've > > > > never used tuffa rock. Problems with the peat rotting may well have > > > > been the reason tuffa rock fell off the radar, mainly the home made > > variety. > > > > > > > > A good lightweight rock may be lava rock. It can come in different > > > > colors, but the main color, as I recall, is a reddish color, a bit > > > > more orangey than the shale that is often sold in shops. The > > > > drawback with lava is that it has a tendency to have sharp edges, > > > > against which, the fish may injure themselves. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:49 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > > > I don't like .doc files from sources I do not personally know. > > > > > Aren't script kiddies still able to embed macros into Word files > > > > > and will anti-viruses alert on these? Occasionally I have to > > > > > accept a file > > > > from an > > > > > unknown source but I try to avoid them. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Here's the webpage HTML version if you don't want to download the > > > > > Word > > > > file > > > > > or do not have a word processor that reads Word files. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://74.125. > > > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. > nwlamg.org/ docu > > > men > > > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. > nwlamg.org/ docu > > > men>> 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ documen > > > > <http://74.125. > > > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. > nwlamg.org/ docu > > > men > > > <http://74.125. 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. > nwlamg.org/ docu > > > men>> 113.132/search? q=cache:SX9NX4n_ Yp4J:www. nwlamg.org/ documen> > > > > ts/R > > > > > ECIPEFORAHYPER. doc+www.nwlamg. org/documents& hl=en&ct= > clnk&cd=1& gl= > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > Or Google (since the link will likely break) > > > > > www.nwlamg.org/ documents > > > > and it > > > > > will be the top hit in the Google search. Then click on the "View > > > > > as > > > > HTML" > > > > > to see the document online and then you can save it as an IE > > > > > favorite > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > Someone else also posted a link to the same type of recipe that's > > > > > not showing up in this email thread and I posted my concerns about > > > > > using > > > > cement > > > > > then also. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve//, > > > > > > > > > > I know for "cement" ponds, we would always paint them with epoxy > > > > > or > > > > still > > > > > use a rubber liner to prevent leaching of cement into the water. > > > > > The > > > > recipe > > > > > for this one also mentions that the material will degrade due to > > > > > the > > > > peat > > > > > "...Since an organic material (peat) is used as a component this > > > > > will deteriorate with time leaving holes and crevices.... " > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure this is OK for use in aquariums... not so much > > > > > because of > > > > the > > > > > peat since I know we use that in aquaria but I'm concerned about > > > > > the > > > > cement. > > > > > http://en.wikipedia > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement>> > > > .org/wiki/Cement# Portland_ cement > > > > <http://en.wikipedia > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cement#Portland_ cement>> > > > .org/wiki/Cement# Portland_ cement> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> blogspot.com> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:17 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rock Making- Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > That would depend on the size of the rock and/or the amount you > > > > > use, > > > > the > > > > > acidity of your water, and the amount of lime, or other hardeners, > > > > available > > > > > in the rock. There are recipes for making it yourself. The first > > > > > hit > > > > on > > > > > "tuffa recipe" gives a pretty good one and is from the Louisiana > > > > > State Exhibit Museum Garden. Don't know why Lenny did not pipe in > > > > > with the > > > > link. > > > > > www.nwlamg.org/ documents/ RECIPEFORAHYPER. doc > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36353	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and not distroy the bacteria. i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 im gunna get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36354	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Debs of the World, Unite! (was: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )

Yeah, there's a passel of Debs out there and most of them are middle aged right now. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen- Already gotten OT : ) Deb, I have a friend also named Deb. She and I usually sign our e-mails to one another "other Deb" and we refer to one another that way. We have a lot of fun with it. : ) Deb P. (Other Deb) --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: LOL! Maybe I'll take that for my signature! "Other Deb" and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) Hmmmm . . . maybe not ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com> I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36355	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Is this like yours? While I do not have a filter profile or exact instructions on this brand/model, it's no different in the general principles and operation of any other filter system. http://www.pennplax.com/Pages/Aqua.pages..../Aqua20F.html If yes, it looks like they have they "bio-sponge" (just an open cell foam) as the first level of filtration since the water comes in through the bottom and goes through the sponge first. This is good. When doing filter maintenance, remove all of the filter sections into the bucket of removed tank water when you do your weekly 25% PWC (partial water change) and then just take the sponge and squeeze it a few times in the bucket of water to squeeze out any detritus (fish poop, etc.), then put the sponge back into the unit in the tank. This sponge will have a lot of the good nitrifying bacteria living on all of the cell walls of the sponge so by cleaning it only like this, it will keep the majority of the N-bacteria alive. Do NOT ever clean this sponge under hot water or chlorinated water unless there comes a time that you have to disinfect the filter system due to having a disease issue or something like that. Next, it looks like there are several optional cartridges and media choices so you will have to look and see what you have and let me know. While it might look a little different, it's not much different than a canister filter except it's an internal canister filter. You probably won't need to run the carbon cartridge in your filter on a permanent basis but it's OK to leave it in for now since it will also have some of the good N-bacteria growing on it and since your tank is still new, you want to leave as much of it alone as possible. If you see the filter media that looks like little white rock pieces, that is likely Zeolite and it's not good to use when trying to "cycle" a tank but in your case, without a test kit, keep using it until you get a test kit so we can see what your numbers are like. Zeolite is a natural rock that absorbs ammonia.... so if you have that in your filter, it could be helping to keep your fish from suffering from too much ammonia poisoning but this is only speculation since we don't know what your numbers are. Zeolite will fill up after it reaches it's absorption limit and then the ammonia will stay in the water which is why it's not good to rely on it. It's better to make sure the tank is properly cycling the ammonia into nitrite and then nitrate which is far less dangerous to the fish. Reply back with what else you see inside the filter. Do you have an owners manual? If you don't, send an email to Penn-Plax at mailto:consumerservice@... and have them email you a .pdf (adobe) file of the owners manual so you can open it and read it on your computer. Many sites let you download this type of owners manual directly from the site but I don't see it on the Penn-Plax site. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami hay lenny, my filter is a cascade 300 inturnal filter. neather of the filter things you have are for inturnal filters. i cant find any thing online about how to clean a cascade inturnal filter. maby im just bilind. can you help me?? any aquaticlife users have this filter??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36356	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank

\\Steve// Not sure if you noticed but this is concerning a reef tank.. not a freshwater tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank When I divide 10 by 4, I get 2.5. What is the alkalinity of your tap water? After 24 hours? After 48 hours? Does this differ from your tank measurement? There is no set level for alkalinity, though you should try to maintain it as it comes from the tap, usually done by water changes. If there is a big difference between the tap measurement and the tank measurement, then we can start looking for the cause of this change to rectify it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Ferris > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank > > Can someone tell me what a normal alkalinity level should be? > > > > The Instant Ocean test tells you how to test it but they don't tell you what > a decent level is! > > > > I think mine is .25ppl. > > > > The test is fill the vial and put in drops until the color changes to > yellow/green. > > It took me 10 drops and then you divide by 4 to come up with the answer. > > > > Any help is appreciated.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36357	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

The best thing you can do for your fish until you get the test kit is to make sure you do 25% water changes every day, and don't add any new fish, I would almost suggest you take the cory back as you will have to wait until the tank cycles until you can get more neon's if that's what you really want to do. Pick your favorite fish and go that route, you will need either a school of cory's (only cory's no other fish as they would be max for your tank), or you could keep your betta and a school of neons instead of the cory's. Just make sure to keep doing the daily water changes for your fish and keeping the water quality up. If you know how to take the filter apart and put it back together, while you have it apart look for some sort of filter cartridge inside of it, usually it's a pouch full of carbon in most small tanks that come as a fish tank kit. When you have figured out which is the filter media (the carbon pouch) take that and rinse it in a bucket of tank water from your fish tank when you're doing a water change, by shaking it around in the bucket without being too rough and somehow opening the pouch and losing the carbon. If you've taken apart the filter already and put it together, it should be easy enough to figure out which is the media inside the filter that you need to clean every week. Let us know how it goes :) Also your betta doesn't need much food, they eat only a tiny bit, so don't worry if he only eats one or two pellets at the most, that's really about all he needs once a day. Amber Leanna wrote: > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me > how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to > clean it and not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not > having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any > more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat > had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still > care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take > for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the > beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable > to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets > untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034> im gunna > get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order > it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but > i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use > it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees.... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36358	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

You could try getting the frozen foods too for your fish, most fish love them. I get the frozen brine shrimp, frozen mysis shrimp and frozen blood worms for the betta. Amber Leanna wrote: > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me > how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to > clean it and not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not > having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any > more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat > had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still > care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take > for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the > beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable > to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets > untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034> im gunna > get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order > it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but > i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use > it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees.... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36359	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hillstream Loach "Migration"

From our friends in Great Britain at Practical Fishkeeping Magazine comes this article: "Hillstream loach migrates by leaving the water". What makes this piece even more interesting is the video showing how hillstream loaches escape from aquariums. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36360	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

All you need to do is to remove the foam pad(s) and rinse them in tank water (removed) and then replace the foam block. Depending on the quality of the foam, one pad can last you a few years at the least. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me > how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to > clean it and not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not > having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any > more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat > had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still > care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take > for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the > beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable > to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets > untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 im gunna > get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order > it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but > i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use > it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees.... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

For now, don't try to add any more fish. We know you care about the neon tetra and the other one but for now, it's better to make sure the tank is cycling properly before adding more fish and possibly rehoming other fish. Once you get the filter cleaning down (see my previous post) and get your test kit next week, then we can start learning more about what's going on in your tank. The API is a good master test kit. You can get it from WalMart.com for under 20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.. presuming you have one. Usually if there's one PetsMart, there's several Wal-Marts.. at least there are for me. You'll have to train your Betta to eat on the other end of the tank from the faster fish. Feed them first, whatever their main food is and while they are busy eating, then coax the betta to the other end of the tank and drop the betta pellets for him. Congrat's on getting that DL soon also! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and not distroy the bacteria. i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 im gunna get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36362	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank

Ooops, my bad. You mean those subject lines mean something? <g> Alkalinity for a reef tank should be in this range (depending on your measurement scale: 2.5-4 meq/L, 7-11 dKH, or 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents. Using what is known as kalkawasser or a similar product will help supplement and maintain your alkalinity. I am not familiar with the ppl measurement you give so I cannot tell you how to convert it to one of the measurements listed above. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank > > \\Steve// > > Not sure if you noticed but this is concerning a reef tank.. not a > freshwater tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank > > When I divide 10 by 4, I get 2.5. What is the alkalinity of your tap water? > After 24 hours? After 48 hours? Does this differ from your tank measurement? > > There is no set level for alkalinity, though you should try to maintain it > as it comes from the tap, usually done by water changes. If there is a big > difference between the tap measurement and the tank measurement, then we can > start looking for the cause of this change to rectify it. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > John Ferris > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank > > > > Can someone tell me what a normal alkalinity level should be? > > > > > > > > The Instant Ocean test tells you how to test it but they don't tell > you what > > a decent level is! > > > > > > > > I think mine is .25ppl. > > > > > > > > The test is fill the vial and put in drops until the color changes to > > yellow/green. > > > > It took me 10 drops and then you divide by 4 to come up with the > answer. > > > > > > > > Any help is appreciated. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36363	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loach "Migration"

I listed that back a little while ago I thought, perhaps the link didn't make it through, but yes that is a very nifty video, gonna have to keep an eye on my loaches I think, LOL. Don't want 'em trying to migrate south for the winter or anything ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > From our friends in Great Britain at Practical Fishkeeping Magazine > comes this article: "Hillstream loach migrates by leaving the water". > What makes this piece even more interesting is the video showing how > hillstream loaches escape from aquariums. > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36364	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loach "Migration"

Oh great. Now I'm going to have nightmares about my goldfish going cross country. They already fly and talk to me and grow three feet long when I turn my back on them. Fascinating video, \\Steve//. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> From our friends in Great Britain at Practical Fishkeeping Magazine comes this article: "Hillstream loach migrates by leaving the water". What makes this piece even more interesting is the video showing how hillstream loaches escape from aquariums. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36365	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36366	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Great, now do they make them bigger? LOL Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > <http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm> > > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without > actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36367	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Debs of the World, Unite! (was: Purigen- Already gotten OT : )

Yeah, I think all of us are between 30 and 60, for the most part. (I know Debs on both ends of the spectrum.) I wonder who so many of us were named for? Hey, maybe it'll become a popular fish or pet name in the future, just the way old world names have become popular 'pet' names now. Ha! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: Yeah, there's a passel of Debs out there and most of them are middle aged right now. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen- Already gotten OT : ) Deb, I have a friend also named Deb. She and I usually sign our e-mails to one another "other Deb" and we refer to one another that way. We have a lot of fun with it. : ) Deb P. (Other Deb) --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> wrote: LOL! Maybe I'll take that for my signature! "Other Deb" and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) Hmmmm . . . maybe not ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@yahoo. com> I am so glad you have been talking to other Deb about these plants so much, Amber. I think you have talked me into some! LOL! Deb P. __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36368	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Frozen food is great for the fish. Yummy! Please be sure to thaw it first. You can do that with a little tank water on a small plate. Just put a tiny amount of the food in the tank, not the whole cube. You'll be amazed at how much food is in each cube! Deb P. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: You could try getting the frozen foods too for your fish, most fish love them. I get the frozen brine shrimp, frozen mysis shrimp and frozen blood worms for the betta. Amber Leanna wrote: > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me > how to clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to > clean it and not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not > having a school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any > more. i have alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat > had a sucsessor) die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still > care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take > for them to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the > beta pelits(my black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable > to get enouph nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets > untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart .com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2754034 > <http://www.petsmart .com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2754034> im gunna > get the 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order > it untell the tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but > i dont think im going to beable to convince my perents to let me use > it on my fish insted of my drivers licens fees.... > >  _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36369	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen instead. Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of the water passing through. I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it when it's rinsed out under tap water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at grabbing and holding more junk. Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water flows back into the tank. Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on hand? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to stay in the water all of the time. See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36370	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

i know were the carbon holder is.. i got the tank/filter/heater/UGF used from a friend so i riped it all appart and STARALIZED everything. i also put fresh carbon in when i set it up. so tonight i will clean the carbon container. how offen do i need to compleatly replaced the carbon?? ok im glad to hear doppel(short for doppelganger) whont starve.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

The 100ml packet of Purigen comes in it's own media bag and should fit in the tetra bio-bag or put it after the bio-bag so the water goes through the bio-bag first, then through the Purigen and down the waterfall. Normal media bags will not work for the bulk Purigen since the Purigen balls are so small.. much smaller than a BB. SeaChem does sell media bags for Purigen but the 100ml size will last you a LONG time so the bulk would just be buying too much unless you had a bunch of tanks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen instead. Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of the water passing through. I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it when it's rinsed out under tap water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at grabbing and holding more junk. Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water flows back into the tank. Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on hand? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to stay in the water all of the time. See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36372	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Yeah.. it's called a bucket. I still use the one or two net system... or even better, for really elusive fish, put an algae wafer or other sinking food in the net and just wait for the right fish to swim in for a nibble. I've used this method over and over on the same fish and they still fall for it. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Has Anyone Tried One of These? Great, now do they make them bigger? LOL Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > <http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm> > > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without > actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

In your newly set up tank, do NOT remove the carbon until we are sure it's completely cycled. Once we are sure, then you can remove the carbon filtration completely and you won't need it unless you have to remove some kind of medication or other contaminate from the tank. Doing normal tank maintenance is the best thing for the fish with weekly 25% PWC's that will constantly remove/dilute the dirty water and replace it with fresh clean water. What other filter sections do you have besides the foam block at the bottom and the carbon? Do you have any polyfloss type pads? How'd you come up with the name Dopppelganger? :P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami i know were the carbon holder is.. i got the tank/filter/heater/UGF used from a friend so i riped it all appart and STARALIZED everything. i also put fresh carbon in when i set it up. so tonight i will clean the carbon container. how offen do i need to compleatly replaced the carbon?? ok im glad to hear doppel(short for doppelganger) whont starve.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36374	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

thats a good ida! ill see what i can come up with for geting him to come to the other end to feed.... hmmmm he sees his own reflction as somthing to be huted and distroyed(ie his name is doppelganger as he trys to distroy what seems to be an "evil twin") i wonder if i could put a small mirror on the end of a rod and since he would be the only fish intrested it the reflection and the others would be in a feeding frenzy! i could lead him to the other side and bring him to the top!! awsome ida lenny thanks! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > For now, don't try to add any more fish. We know you care about the neon > tetra and the other one but for now, it's better to make sure the tank is > cycling properly before adding more fish and possibly rehoming other fish. > > Once you get the filter cleaning down (see my previous post) and get your > test kit next week, then we can start learning more about what's going on in > your tank. > > The API is a good master test kit. You can get it from WalMart.com for > under 20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.. presuming you have > one. Usually if there's one PetsMart, there's several Wal-Marts.. at least > there are for me. > > You'll have to train your Betta to eat on the other end of the tank from the > faster fish. Feed them first, whatever their main food is and while they > are busy eating, then coax the betta to the other end of the tank and drop > the betta pellets for him. > > Congrat's on getting that DL soon also! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to > clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and > not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a > school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have > alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) > die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them > to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my > black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph > nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754034 im gunna get the > 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the > tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im > going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of > my drivers licens fees.... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36375	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

ya thats the next modal up. thats the one i found but it duesnt have cleaning instructions. but thats ok i think i finaly have it figured out. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Is this like yours? While I do not have a filter profile or exact > instructions on this brand/model, it's no different in the general > principles and operation of any other filter system. > http://www.pennplax.com/Pages/Aqua.pages..../Aqua20F.html > > If yes, it looks like they have they "bio-sponge" (just an open cell foam) > as the first level of filtration since the water comes in through the bottom > and goes through the sponge first. This is good. When doing filter > maintenance, remove all of the filter sections into the bucket of removed > tank water when you do your weekly 25% PWC (partial water change) and then > just take the sponge and squeeze it a few times in the bucket of water to > squeeze out any detritus (fish poop, etc.), then put the sponge back into > the unit in the tank. This sponge will have a lot of the good nitrifying > bacteria living on all of the cell walls of the sponge so by cleaning it > only like this, it will keep the majority of the N-bacteria alive. Do NOT > ever clean this sponge under hot water or chlorinated water unless there > comes a time that you have to disinfect the filter system due to having a > disease issue or something like that. > > Next, it looks like there are several optional cartridges and media choices > so you will have to look and see what you have and let me know. While it > might look a little different, it's not much different than a canister > filter except it's an internal canister filter. > > You probably won't need to run the carbon cartridge in your filter on a > permanent basis but it's OK to leave it in for now since it will also have > some of the good N-bacteria growing on it and since your tank is still new, > you want to leave as much of it alone as possible. > > If you see the filter media that looks like little white rock pieces, that > is likely Zeolite and it's not good to use when trying to "cycle" a tank but > in your case, without a test kit, keep using it until you get a test kit so > we can see what your numbers are like. Zeolite is a natural rock that > absorbs ammonia.... so if you have that in your filter, it could be helping > to keep your fish from suffering from too much ammonia poisoning but this is > only speculation since we don't know what your numbers are. Zeolite will > fill up after it reaches it's absorption limit and then the ammonia will > stay in the water which is why it's not good to rely on it. It's better to > make sure the tank is properly cycling the ammonia into nitrite and then > nitrate which is far less dangerous to the fish. > > Reply back with what else you see inside the filter. Do you have an owners > manual? If you don't, send an email to Penn-Plax at > mailto:consumerservice@... and have them email you a .pdf (adobe) > file of the owners manual so you can open it and read it on your computer. > Many sites let you download this type of owners manual directly from the > site but I don't see it on the Penn-Plax site. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > hay lenny, my filter is a cascade 300 inturnal filter. neather of the filter > things you have are for inturnal filters. i cant find any thing online about > how to clean a cascade inturnal filter. maby im just bilind. can you help > me?? > > any aquaticlife users have this filter?? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36376	From: Leanna	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

nope its just a foam pad and charcole. thats it. im hoping in the next few months to not only buy a new filter but to MABY get a larger tank... i just depends if i can find a good deal on a tank and a stand. i found one i like on crages list but moms realy iffy on geting used fishtank stuff. as for my betas name i dont remember were i hurd the word but i looked it up and it ment evil twin. i wanted to name him somthing that had to do with his personality. i was going to name him nightmare becuse hes dark blue almost black with a streek of blood red on the very front of his bottom fin. he always sulked around like he was in a lousy mood. but mom said no so i kept thinking. i knoticed that he was always atacking his reflection on the glass. he HATES it. he flairs out his gills and puffs up. so his reflectin is like his doppelganger. so i call him doppel for short. i know all my fish by name. flicker and sparks are my guppys sparks has the same patter as flicker but is darker in color Corinth is my corycat BP or black phantom is my black tetra thorn is my sward tail and morph is my neon beceuse he will go from brighly striped to having faded stripes and having gray bloches

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: about fancy goldfish

It's definitely stressful for fish to be stuck upside down all the time. I don't remember if you've posted out here before or not but this page has lots of info on fancy goldfish floaty issues which are usually caused by either their food (constipation/gas), swim bladder deformity or swim bladder issues caused by food or internal bacterial issues. http://thegab.org/Articles/Buoyancy.html I also have fancy goldfish and by feeding them properly and keeping them in good water conditions, that will solve most swim bladder issues.. unless it's a birth defect or if the swim bladder has been permanently damaged by infection.. then a Vet and surgery might be needed. Using the link to AquaVet's on my Health - Disease page on my blog, I searched for fish vets in Nevada and found the following... http://www.aquavetmed.info/index.cfm?pID=7&U=3013 Corbin Hodges 9920 Moonwalk Ct. Reno USA 775-972-5632 chodgesdvm@... http://www.aquavetmed.info/index.cfm?pID=7&U=2923 http://www.aquavetmed.info/index.cfm?pID=7&U=1865 http://www.aquavetmed.info/index.cfm?pID=7&U=3193 The top one is in Reno and the next three are in Las Vegas... if the first one doesn't work out for you, contact the other three to see if they know of another vet in Reno. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about fancy goldfish my goldfish.... kelley.... constantly floats upside down and sideways.. is she in pain/? is this injurious to her mind.. I mean, does she know that she is floating.. I have looked for a fish doctor.. none here in reno, nevada.. to place the stones.. can we ship her to this doctor that does this surgery? caroline in reno, nevada

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Alkalinity in reef tank

Based on your initial post and \\Steve//'s follow-up post, you might want to double check your instructions. Since you are getting the color change at 10 drops, for other freshwater KH test kits (Carbonate Hardness is often mis-called Alkalinity), so when we get the color change, that's the dH (degrees of Hardness) level of the water so yours might be 10 dH and if you multiply that times 17.9, you'll get 179ppm of hardness/alkalinity. I'm not sure about the dividing it by four thing. I wonder if the dividing by four to get .25 might not be one of the other test kits such as the ending numbers on the specific gravity level test? For example, specific gravity of 1.025 since the SG for a reef tank is supposed to be at that level according to this page on DrsFosterSmith.com. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=1304 Recommended Specific Gravity Levels Reef Aquarium: 1.023 to 1.025 FOWLR Aquarium: 1.020 to 1.025 I'm not a SW tank owner so I'm just kind of guesstimating things until someone more knowledgeable comes along. Here's an FAQ http://fins.actwin.com/reefkeepers/index.html and section 1.3 talks about pH and Alkalinity, etc., that might help. Double check your instructions and let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Ferris Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Alkalinity in reef tank Can someone tell me what a normal alkalinity level should be? The Instant Ocean test tells you how to test it but they don't tell you what a decent level is! I think mine is .25ppl. The test is fill the vial and put in drops until the color changes to yellow/green. It took me 10 drops and then you divide by 4 to come up with the answer. Any help is appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants

Since brackish tanks start off with around two tablespoons of Marine Salt per gallon, not many freshwater plants will tolerate that level... however, that said, this plant site has a section called Brackish Water Plants http://www.aquariumplants.com/Brackish_Water_Plants_s/22.htm with 15 plants listed. I would get it in writing from them that these plants will in deed tolerate and thrive in brackish water conditions. There certainly are some plants that will do well as I used to scuba dive and snorkel all the time and I've been in many bay/estuary settings where the water was definitely salty and yet there were still grassy type plants growing on the sandy bottoms. Most of the plants on that page looked like grassy plants although there were a couple of others. Also check out Badman's site on brackish tanks and suggested plants and they have quite a few listed also (read each of the setups for suggested plants). http://badmanstropicalfish.com/brackish/brackish.html Oh yeah.. one last thing.. howdy neighbor. I'm over in the N'Awlins burbs! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Hello all: I am currently going from a 10 gallon brackish tank to a 50 gallon tank. Right now I have the 50 undergoing a fishless cycle. Meanwhile I am looking for some good brackish water plants. The ones I have tried moving from freshwater to brackish have just died. Does anyone out there with a brackish tank have any acclamated plants they would like to sell? If so I can be contacted at dmelton2@.... Or if you know of a source I would appreciate a link. The brackish tank occupants that are getting a new home are a scat, a puffer, and a hermit crab. My intent is to have a heavily planted brackish tank to compliment my two 50 gallon planted Discus tanks. Deb Ocean Springs, MS

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36380	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: fancy goldfish\

I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to sleep..? caroline [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36381	From: hank voss	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > ======================================= I did about 50 yrs ago and you havn't lived yet till you try to catch danios in one.If you want frustration use one of these. Hank > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36382	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Rinse with TANK water, or at least declorinated tap water, in a bucket... On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Menagerie_Manager < menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated > carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter > systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of > the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the > cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" > about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36383	From: Debra	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants

Lenny Thanks a bunch for the info and links. I visit your lovely city a couple of times a year. Any good aquarium stores over your way? Aside from my little mom and pop that is struggling to stay alive I do most of my shopping in a larger mom and pop store in Mobile. Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:28:33 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Since brackish tanks start off with around two tablespoons of Marine Salt per gallon, not many freshwater plants will tolerate that level... however, that said, this plant site has a section called Brackish Water Plants http://www.aquariumplants.com/Brackish_Water_Plants_s/22.htm with 15 plants listed. I would get it in writing from them that these plants will in deed tolerate and thrive in brackish water conditions. There certainly are some plants that will do well as I used to scuba dive and snorkel all the time and I've been in many bay/estuary settings where the water was definitely salty and yet there were still grassy type plants growing on the sandy bottoms. Most of the plants on that page looked like grassy plants although there were a couple of others. Also check out Badman's site on brackish tanks and suggested plants and they have quite a few listed also (read each of the setups for suggested plants). http://badmanstropicalfish.com/brackish/brackish.html Oh yeah.. one last thing.. howdy neighbor. I'm over in the N'Awlins burbs! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Hello all: I am currently going from a 10 gallon brackish tank to a 50 gallon tank. Right now I have the 50 undergoing a fishless cycle. Meanwhile I am looking for some good brackish water plants. The ones I have tried moving from freshwater to brackish have just died. Does anyone out there with a brackish tank have any acclamated plants they would like to sell? If so I can be contacted at dmelton2@.... Or if you know of a source I would appreciate a link. The brackish tank occupants that are getting a new home are a scat, a puffer, and a hermit crab. My intent is to have a heavily planted brackish tank to compliment my two 50 gallon planted Discus tanks. Deb Ocean Springs, MS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36384	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: What fish is this?

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked interesting... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36385	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36386	From: Jenn	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Pittsburgh PA area aquatic keepers.

I just heard that something got dumped or spilled in the Monongehela River and PA American Water is dosing to clear it up. We have been getting customers at the store that are having Phosphate problems that have never had problems before. The tap water in McMurray PA is testing at 1.0. Just a little heads up to keep an eye on things until it's cleared up. I don't have all of the details on what happened but I wanted to post anyway just to warn everyone. jenn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36387	From: palusod	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Dragon Goby

I am looking into buy a Dragon Goby. I read alot about them and most sites say that they are prone to sickness, but others say the are fine in brackish water. I do have a brackish aquarium, but i am concerned about the goby getting sick. Does anyone have a dragon goby than could give me any advice?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36388	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

I've replayed that video several times looking in the background, but I do not see any other fish other than the hillstream loaches in it. Could you point out where it is at what time in the video? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:28 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] What fish is this? > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked > interesting... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36389	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Wouldn’t it be better to solve the problem without using Purigen? If possible? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36390	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh PA area aquatic keepers.

I could not find anything specific, but, the problem may be connected to waste water output from gas well drilling operations and/or waste water from mines. Here is an article from late last year mentioning a problem http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=47274 but not specifically saying that is what you are referring to nor is there any mention of a water company fix, even on the American Water site. Guess we need someone from the area with some insider information. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jenn > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pittsburgh PA area aquatic keepers. > > I just heard that something got dumped or spilled in the Monongehela > River and PA American Water is dosing to clear it up. We have been > getting customers at the store that are having Phosphate problems that > have never had problems before. The tap water in McMurray PA is > testing at 1.0. > > Just a little heads up to keep an eye on things until it's cleared up. > I don't have all of the details on what happened but I wanted to post > anyway just to warn everyone. > > jenn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36391	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

In opening your link, I see nothing else other than Hillstream Loaches. Without any pic of this "mystery fish" to consider, I can only make a wild guess as to its possiblity going on your vague description, as being Prochilodus insignis. Without anything further to help in its I.D. though, I can't be positive. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked > interesting... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36392	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Heater, which one??

I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, is that true? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36393	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Thanks for your input. My fish are just on the edge of being too big for the thing anyway, but I'd never seen one before and wondered if they actually worked or not. I suppose if I really didn't want to lift a fish from the water, I could catch it with a regular net and transfer it to a container just under the surface. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank voss" <aatetras@...> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > ======================================= I did about 50 yrs ago and you havn't lived yet till you try to catch danios in one.If you want frustration use one of these. Hank > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36394	From: Larry Nave	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

Upside down generally means gas in the intestines...best to not feed for a couple of days to allow themselves to clean out. Shelled Peas are a good laxative which will help but try no food for a couple of days first. Also you might try medicated food like Medigold or Jungle antibacterial food...gas is formed by bacteria or things they cannot digest such as corn and grains in certain foods... Larry --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, caroline <waves02@...> wrote: > > I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > sleep..? caroline > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36395	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

I like Supreme HeetMaster and Ebo-Jaeger heaters. Replace heaters every year? If that is true, I have heaters that work flawlessly that should have been replaced more than 20 years ago. You might want to reconsider your price range to get a durable heater. You might also consider getting two 150 watt heaters instead of one 300 watt heater. Should one fail, then the other can take over and keep the temperature near your set level, or let the other one heat away without the danger of you coming home one day to a bouillabaisse tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Pat. > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better > than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them > every year, is that true? > > Thanks, > > Jim > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36396	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

Well, I feel a bit foolish, I started with the loach thing and went to other videos when I found the one in question. I do not seem to be able to repeat the performance. I now will have to keep an eye out for this fish, so I can ID it next time! :o0 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@...> wrote: > In opening your link, I see nothing else other than Hillstream > Loaches. Without any pic of this "mystery fish" to consider, I can > only make a wild guess as to its possiblity going on your vague > description, as being Prochilodus insignis. Without anything further > to help in its I.D. though, I can't be positive. Ray > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Harl > Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is > it? > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > looked > > interesting... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36397	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Thanks for telling me this, Ray! I do use Prime and I'll avoid the slime coat enhancers. How often, on the average does Purigen need to be recharged? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36398	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Would not a piece of Plexiglas not also be ok? When you add the weight of the substrate sitting on it it should hold it down. Just needs to be flat, thin, and inert in water, or am I missing the physics here? On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > If it's not super-buoyant, then adding a piece of slate might be all it > needs to sink it. Then once you clear a section of any gravel, put the > slate flat on the bottom and then cover the slate with gravel and that will > further help keep it sunk. You could also let it float. I think fish are > able to deal with some floating wood... at least they do it in the wild and > I don't catch a lot of fish with hickeys on their foreheads... of course > maybe those are the ones I am catching and they are too punch-drunk to > realize the old worm on the hook trick. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > I don't think we get much roofing slate up here to be honest, we have a lot > of metal or wooden types of shingles though. Gosh just the words roofing > slate make me imagine barking pieces of slate, LOL. > Maybe I'll wash the 2 small pieces again and after the hot wash cycle I'll > throw them into the tub to soak to see if that helps them sink.... > I was tempted to just put them in the tank and let them float around the > top > but didn't want it to bang into fish, I guess I could tie it off, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have slate > > roof shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new pieces of > > slate. ;-) Also check with a roofing supply to see what they do with > > their broken pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. > > > > I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I > > guess it depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of driftwood > > are each around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are about as > > thick around as a normal sized fore-arm (not the Governator's.. lol) > > but I guess if you had a piece as big around as Arnold's pythons, then > > maybe drilling holes would help but I would drill the holes from the > > bottom up so they wouldn't become traps for detritus that might cause > > wood rotting issues and they wouldn't be as visible. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a > > landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost > > up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will > > drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? > > I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still > > floats, ugh, LOL. > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to > > > be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to > > > put them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher > > > (before the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the > > > dishwasher tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it > > > would more easily soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from > > > BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a piece of slate screwed > > > to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a base for the > > > driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it > > > submerged during the curing/soaking > > stage. > > > > > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of > > > slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for > > > the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth > > > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with > > > the bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of > > > your tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the > slate. > > > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > > > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > > > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > > > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > > > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's > > > definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as > > > fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, > > > now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think > > > the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > > > spots). > > > > > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > > > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, > > > but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae > > > already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have > > > the > > > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will > > > basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few > > > decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes > > > wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the > > > loaches get picked on or anything). > > > > > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > > > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe > > > I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now > > > my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > > > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in > > > their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or > > > not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any > > > > live plants? > > > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it > > > > but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating > > > > it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too > > > > much food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are > > > > carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to > make sure... > > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise > > > > the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates > > > > and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water > > > > column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate > > > > test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a > > > > tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless > > > > it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for > > > > pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five > minutes. > > > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae > > > > is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it > > > > gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting > > > > some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging > > > > off the back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the > > > > algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the > > > > Hillstream's tank and rotate them > > > every week or so. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not > > > > sure if any do actually). > > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying > > > > to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the > > > > plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > > > > tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding > > > > the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out > the system" > > > > timeframe, he > > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the > > > > downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), > > > > just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how > > > > hungry he's acting when I watch him > > > > ;) LOL. > > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit > > > > of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36399	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

Actually those are balitorine loaches, not hillstream escaping in the video. If you scroll down, there's an acknowledgement in a yellow box. I couldn't find the fish Harl is referring to, either, not that I could tell him what it is. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> I've replayed that video several times looking in the background, but I do not see any other fish other than the hillstream loaches in it. Could you point out where it is at what time in the video? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Harl Myers > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked > interesting...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36400	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Depending on the size of the wood piece, and its buoyancy, it may or may not work. I've had wood where the shale/slate base, even covered with substrate, was insufficient to weigh down the wood enough to keep it from floating. This is definitely an area where YMMV (your mileage may vary). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:28 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > Would not a piece of Plexiglas not also be ok? When you add the weight of > the substrate sitting on it it should hold it down. Just needs to be flat, > thin, and inert in water, or am I missing the physics here? > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > wrote: > > > If it's not super-buoyant, then adding a piece of slate might be all it > > needs to sink it. Then once you clear a section of any gravel, put the > > slate flat on the bottom and then cover the slate with gravel and that will > > further help keep it sunk. You could also let it float. I think fish are > > able to deal with some floating wood... at least they do it in the wild and > > I don't catch a lot of fish with hickeys on their foreheads... of course > > maybe those are the ones I am catching and they are too punch-drunk to > > realize the old worm on the hook trick. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > I don't think we get much roofing slate up here to be honest, we have a lot > > of metal or wooden types of shingles though. Gosh just the words roofing > > slate make me imagine barking pieces of slate, LOL. > > Maybe I'll wash the 2 small pieces again and after the hot wash cycle I'll > > throw them into the tub to soak to see if that helps them sink.... > > I was tempted to just put them in the tank and let them float around the > > top > > but didn't want it to bang into fish, I guess I could tie it off, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have slate > > > roof shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new pieces of > > > slate. ;-) Also check with a roofing supply to see what they do with > > > their broken pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. > > > > > > I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I > > > guess it depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of driftwood > > > are each around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are about as > > > thick around as a normal sized fore-arm (not the Governator's.. lol) > > > but I guess if you had a piece as big around as Arnold's pythons, then > > > maybe drilling holes would help but I would drill the holes from the > > > bottom up so they wouldn't become traps for detritus that might cause > > > wood rotting issues and they wouldn't be as visible. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> (Links > > to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a > > > landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would cost > > > up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So will > > > drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? > > > I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it still > > > floats, ugh, LOL. > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need to > > > > be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best to > > > > put them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher > > > > (before the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the > > > > dishwasher tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it > > > > would more easily soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from > > > > BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a piece of slate screwed > > > > to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a base for the > > > > driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep it > > > > submerged during the curing/soaking > > > stage. > > > > > > > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece of > > > > slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole for > > > > the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 depth > > > > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with > > > > the bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom of > > > > your tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under the > > slate. > > > > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > > > > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > > > > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > > > > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > > > > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but it's > > > > definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not as > > > > fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass daily, > > > > now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few spots, I think > > > > the light from the living room window shines onto the tank in these > > > > spots). > > > > > > > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > > > > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, > > > > but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have algae > > > > already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I won't have > > > > the > > > > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will > > > > basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few > > > > decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes > > > > wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the > > > > loaches get picked on or anything). > > > > > > > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > > > > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be safe > > > > I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no soap). Now > > > > my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > > > > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in > > > > their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or > > > > not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any > > > > > live plants? > > > > > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it > > > > > but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't eating > > > > > it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or it's too > > > > > much food or it's not something they'll really eat. Bettas are > > > > > carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but check this out to > > make sure... > > > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after an > > > > > algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise > > > > > the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates > > > > > and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the water > > > > > column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a phosphate > > > > > test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or leave food in a > > > > > tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or less... unless > > > > > it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini slice put in for > > > > > pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for much longer than five > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the gravel > > > > > when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you are > > > > > overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for your > > > > > Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the algae > > > > > is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably where it > > > > > gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way of putting > > > > > some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or just hanging > > > > > off the back of the tank up close to the light so they grow the > > > > > algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks to the > > > > > Hillstream's tank and rotate them > > > > every week or so. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > > On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:53 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > > > > > Okay I didn't think I should be concerned about hair algae, I > > > > > remember from a previous post that most fish don't eat it (not > > > > > sure if any do actually). > > > > > Should I just take the fake plants out that it's growing on and > > > > > scrub them in tap water really good to clean it off? It's kind of > > > > > pretty to watch flowing around in the water, and if I shouldn't be > > > > > concerned about it then I may just take a pair of new scissors and > > > > > give it a hair cut once in a while. > > > > > > > > > > It's growing in my 10 gallon betta/dwarf frog tank and it doesn't > > > > > seem to bother either of the inhabitants, but I swear it's trying > > > > > to take over the top half of the tank, LOL. I don't think I'm > > > > > overfeeding the tank, a couple times a week I drop in an algae > > > > > wafer, I'm really not sure what the dwarf frog eats but he's doing > > > > > well after the last 4 months ;) The betta nibbles the algae wafer, > > > > > but if it's part of the problem with the algae growing on the > > > > > plants then I will stop putting them in the tank. I also feed a > > > > > tiny bit of flakes, I usually skip a day every few days of feeding > > > > > the flakes (once a day on the flakes) to give the betta a "clean out > > the system" > > > > > timeframe, he > > > > > also gets supplimented with frozen foods that I feed the > > > > > downstairs tank (mysis shrimp, blood worms, and brine shrimp), > > > > > just a tiny bit usually once or twice a week depending on how > > > > > hungry he's acting when I watch him > > > > > ;) LOL. > > > > > I try to feed him the least since I know that betta's have very > > > > > small stomachs, but if I'm still overfeeding him please let me know. > > > > > The flakes I only give him a tiny sprinkle (crushed in my fingers, > > > > > just a few small flakes at most), and I give him just a tiny bit > > > > > of the frozen foods, like a couple frozen shrimp and bloodworms. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36401	From: aquaticjoy@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

Sorry to hear about your goldfish. They are usually pretty hardy fish if you started out with healthy ones. I have feeder goldfish outside in a fountain pond. My husband put them in there for me when we kept getting mosquito larvae. I mentioned that they would eat them. We have not down anything for them. Leave the water and fish alone. They are surviving just fine even in the rainy season. Fish like a bit of algae and fresh natural food-larvae-to eat. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hair algae

Slate is a lot cheaper than plexiglass... usually free down here. ;-) And it's much heavier too. Plexiglass is nearly weightless under water but it would provide a flat base and if large enough for enough substrate to be on top of it, would also work. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my tanks so I needed the slate to make sure my driftwood didn't float. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae Would not a piece of Plexiglas not also be ok? When you add the weight of the substrate sitting on it it should hold it down. Just needs to be flat, thin, and inert in water, or am I missing the physics here? On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > wrote: > If it's not super-buoyant, then adding a piece of slate might be all > it needs to sink it. Then once you clear a section of any gravel, put > the slate flat on the bottom and then cover the slate with gravel and > that will further help keep it sunk. You could also let it float. I > think fish are able to deal with some floating wood... at least they > do it in the wild and I don't catch a lot of fish with hickeys on > their foreheads... of course maybe those are the ones I am catching > and they are too punch-drunk to realize the old worm on the hook > trick. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > I don't think we get much roofing slate up here to be honest, we have > a lot of metal or wooden types of shingles though. Gosh just the words > roofing slate make me imagine barking pieces of slate, LOL. > Maybe I'll wash the 2 small pieces again and after the hot wash cycle > I'll throw them into the tub to soak to see if that helps them sink.... > I was tempted to just put them in the tank and let them float around > the top but didn't want it to bang into fish, I guess I could tie it > off, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Down here in N'Awlins, we still have lots of old homes who have > > slate roof shingles so every hurricane always supplies us with new > > pieces of slate. ;-) Also check with a roofing supply to see what > > they do with their broken pieces of roofing slate. I bet they trash lots of it. > > > > I've never really thought about drilling holes in the driftwood. I > > guess it depends on how thick the wood is. My two pieces of > > driftwood are each around 12" to 24" long and the thickest parts are > > about as thick around as a normal sized fore-arm (not the > > Governator's.. lol) but I guess if you had a piece as big around as > > Arnold's pythons, then maybe drilling holes would help but I would > > drill the holes from the bottom up so they wouldn't become traps for > > detritus that might cause wood rotting issues and they wouldn't be as visible. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > I don't have any pieces of slate big enough. I'm sure we have a > > landscaping company that sells it but who knows how much it would > > cost up here ;) I asked around and so far no one has any though. So > > will drilling holes into the driftwood not help at all? > > I have had one piece of driftwood soaking for over a week and it > > still floats, ugh, LOL. > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > There are some driftwoods that will sink easily. Most others need > > > to be soaked for a while.. sometimes days. It would have been best > > > to put them right into the soaking tub right out of the dishwasher > > > (before the drying cycle). As I wrote in my blog post about the > > > dishwasher tip, the hot cycle opens the pores of the wood so it > > > would more easily soak up the water. My driftwood, purchased from > > > BigAlsOnline.com a few years back came with a piece of slate > > > screwed to the bottom of each piece. The slate served as a base > > > for the driftwood once it was in the tank, but also helped to keep > > > it submerged during the curing/soaking > > stage. > > > > > > If you have to do this yourself, drill the hole through the piece > > > of slate with a counter-sinking drill bit (or drill the first hole > > > for the screw, then use a much larger drill bit to drill a 1/2 > > > depth > > > hole/crater) so the head of the screw will sit recessed/flat with > > > the bottom of the slate, so the slate will sit flat on the bottom > > > of your tank. Otherwise, lots of detritus will find it's way under > > > the > slate. > > > I found this out from experience. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups. > > > com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups. > > > com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups. > > > com>>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:29 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hair algae > > > > > > Sorry forgot to answer one more thing, LOL (it's late here and I'm > > > still up from yesterday). The hair algae is only in this 10 gallon > > > tank. I had brown algae in the 125 gallon up until a little over a > > > week ago I think, it's just slowly turned more green than brown or > > > something, perhaps I wasn't watching closely, I'm not sure, but > > > it's definately green algae growing on the glass now, but it's not > > > as fast as the brown algae was (I had to scrape the front glass > > > daily, now it's every couple of days or so but only in a few > > > spots, I think the light from the living room window shines onto > > > the tank in these spots). > > > > > > I'm going to probably end up throwing my loaches into the big tank > > > after acclimating them (yes I know I should put them in a Q tank, > > > but with their high requirements I want to make sure they have > > > algae already growing in the tank and plenty of water flow, I > > > won't have the > > > 55 gallon growing algae for a little while yet since it will > > > basically be a brand new set up with the filter and a few > > > decorations brought over from the cycled tanks), if anything goes > > > wrong I can swap stuff over to the 55 gallon sooner (like the > > > loaches get picked on or anything). > > > > > > I have also "sanitized" 2 pieces of driftwood in my dishwasher (no > > > rinse agent in it), so I can add those to the tank soon, to be > > > safe I ran them in the dishwasher twice, LOL. Extra clean (no > > > soap). Now my question is this, is there a trick to getting the driftwood to sink? > > > besides letting it soak forever? I've seen people drill holes in > > > their driftwood but wasn't sure if it was to help them sink or > > > not... if someone can clarify that would be great ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Is this only in your 10G tank? Does this tank get sunlight? Any > > > > live plants? > > > > > > > > You mention dropping in an algae wafer and the Betta nibbles it > > > > but is the frog eating it too? If the fish/critters aren't > > > > eating it within five minutes then they are either not hungry or > > > > it's too much food or it's not something they'll really eat. > > > > Bettas are carnivores and I think the ADF's are also... but > > > > check this out to > make sure... > > > > but they both still need a balanced diet so they won't go after > > > > an algae wafer like a pleco or other omnivore/herbivore fish might. > > > > Algae wafers will not cause algae per se but if left to dissolve > > > > into the gravel and then as it decays, it would certainly raise > > > > the waste levels. Most fish foods have a "phosphate" > > > > percentage listed on them so if this food is high in phosphates > > > > and it's not being eaten, then those phosphates go into the > > > > water column and can contribute to algae growth. There is a > > > > phosphate test kit but the best thing is to NOT overfeed or > > > > leave food in a tank if it hasn't been eaten in five minutes or > > > > less... unless it's something like a cucumber slice or zucchini > > > > slice put in for pleco's after dark as they will gnaw on it for > > > > much longer than five > minutes. > > > > > > > > If you are getting an excess amount of detritus out of the > > > > gravel when you do your PWC's, then this could indicate that you > > > > are overfeeding and the food is just dissolving in the gravel. > > > > > > > > On a side note, this tank could be used for growing algae for > > > > your Hillstream's since you were looking for this anyhow. If the > > > > algae is only growing in the top section of the tank.. probably > > > > where it gets the most light, you might want to do some DIY way > > > > of putting some flat rocks on a shelf or maybe a breeder net or > > > > just hanging off the back of the tank up close to the light so > > > > they grow the algae on them. Then you could transfer these rocks > > > > to the Hillstream's tank and rotate them > > > every week or so. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> < > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36403	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

When it turns brown. When you do your weekly filter maintenance, just look at the Purigen and if it looks "dirty" brown, then it's OK to clean/recharge it. I usually have to do mine every couple to every few weeks. I have two 100ml packets running on my 65G goldfish tank with two fancy goldfish. I feed my fish well and they much on the plants a lot too so I might have more DOC's than some others... but my fish are fat and happy... it's the American way! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen Thanks for telling me this, Ray! I do use Prime and I'll avoid the slime coat enhancers. How often, on the average does Purigen need to be recharged? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36404	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

If you have your IE history turned on, you can look back through your YouTube or PFK history to find the pages you've viewed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: What fish is this? Well, I feel a bit foolish, I started with the loach thing and went to other videos when I found the one in question. I do not seem to be able to repeat the performance. I now will have to keep an eye out for this fish, so I can ID it next time! :o0 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@...> wrote: > In opening your link, I see nothing else other than Hillstream > Loaches. Without any pic of this "mystery fish" to consider, I can > only make a wild guess as to its possiblity going on your vague > description, as being Prochilodus insignis. Without anything further > to help in its I.D. though, I can't be positive. Ray > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is > it? > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > looked > > interesting...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Yep. I use a tupperware bowl and net the fish but keep it in the water, then slide the tupperware bowl under the net and lift them out... then release the fish from the net so it's in the tupperware bowl. It depends on what you are netting the fish for. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These? Thanks for your input. My fish are just on the edge of being too big for the thing anyway, but I'd never seen one before and wondered if they actually worked or not. I suppose if I really didn't want to lift a fish from the water, I could catch it with a regular net and transfer it to a container just under the surface. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank voss" <aatetras@...> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > ======================================= I did about 50 yrs ago and you havn't lived yet till you try to catch danios in one.If you want frustration use one of these. Hank > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some much older than that. Yes, some brands are better than others. What size tank do you have? If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 price) on DrsFosterSmith.com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in storage until needed since they were such a good price. There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, is that true? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

What problem? I think this thread was just about comparing Purigen versus Carbon, pros and cons of Purigen, etc. Most tanks do not need carbon or Purigen but for overstocked tanks and tanks with BIG fish like goldfish (which technically means they are overstocked or pushing the limits), then using Purigen can be beneficial to help keep the water a little cleaner between the frequent PWC's and tank maintenance that should also be done. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen Wouldn't it be better to solve the problem without using Purigen? If possible? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Ray, I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post but when using Purigen in SW tanks, (per SeaChem) it's not necessary to do the buffer solution soak and since I have hard water with high pH right out the tap down here, I did a test on the Purigen by skipping the buffer soak step and then soaked the Purigen in some tap water for a couple of days and it did not alter the chemistry so I do not use that step. I've been using Purigen without the buffer soak step for a few years now and it hasn't altered my pH at all from what I can see. I think for folks with normal water or soft water, they should follow the instructions but for folks with hard water and higher pH water, they can probably follow the instructions for the SW instructions. Just trying to save folks with hard, high pH water a little moolah! ;-) I also have never used Prime in the past few years but my dechlors (API or Top Fin) are just basic dechlor products (sodium thiosulfate and the EDTA for heavy metals) so I don't use the slime-this or stress-that type junk or stuff with Aloe, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36409	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Brackish Tank Plants

The LFS closest to me and the only LFS that I've done business with is 50 Fathoms on Veterans Blvd. in Metairie in the Rouse's Supermarket shopping center... I think it's around the 5500 block of Veterans Memorial Blvd. I've never had a problem with any fish or plants purchased from them but then I haven't purchased a lot either so maybe I've just been lucky... but I suspect they do run a pretty good shop since it's been there in that same shopping center since I was a kid. There's also a saltwater specialty LFS on David Drive between Veterans and Airline Hwy. but I do not recall the name but have seen it many times. They even have a couple of trucks/vans with the company graphics on them. I think this place also does a lot of tank maintenance for people/businesses as part of their business. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Lenny Thanks a bunch for the info and links. I visit your lovely city a couple of times a year. Any good aquarium stores over your way? Aside from my little mom and pop that is struggling to stay alive I do most of my shopping in a larger mom and pop store in Mobile. Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:28:33 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Since brackish tanks start off with around two tablespoons of Marine Salt per gallon, not many freshwater plants will tolerate that level... however, that said, this plant site has a section called Brackish Water Plants http://www.aquariumplants.com/Brackish_Water_Plants_s/22.htm with 15 plants listed. I would get it in writing from them that these plants will in deed tolerate and thrive in brackish water conditions. There certainly are some plants that will do well as I used to scuba dive and snorkel all the time and I've been in many bay/estuary settings where the water was definitely salty and yet there were still grassy type plants growing on the sandy bottoms. Most of the plants on that page looked like grassy plants although there were a couple of others. Also check out Badman's site on brackish tanks and suggested plants and they have quite a few listed also (read each of the setups for suggested plants). http://badmanstropicalfish.com/brackish/brackish.html Oh yeah.. one last thing.. howdy neighbor. I'm over in the N'Awlins burbs! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Brackish Tank Plants Hello all: I am currently going from a 10 gallon brackish tank to a 50 gallon tank. Right now I have the 50 undergoing a fishless cycle. Meanwhile I am looking for some good brackish water plants. The ones I have tried moving from freshwater to brackish have just died. Does anyone out there with a brackish tank have any acclamated plants they would like to sell? If so I can be contacted at dmelton2@.... Or if you know of a source I would appreciate a link. The brackish tank occupants that are getting a new home are a scat, a puffer, and a hermit crab. My intent is to have a heavily planted brackish tank to compliment my two 50 gallon planted Discus tanks. Deb Ocean Springs, MS

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36410	From: hank voss	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > ======================================= Its probably the flagtail characin9Prochilodus insignis) Hank ============================================================ > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked > interesting... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36411	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

Hadn't really taken close notice of the loaches in the video, all's I know is they looked nothing like a Tinfoil Barb with a striped caudal fin, and resembled Loaches. Harl would do best to go to < www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_Semaprochilodus_jaraqui.php >. Even though his description leaves something to be desired, what there is of it as he described I'm sure leaves no other explanation than the fish I mentioned as most resembling this Barb (and having a striped caudal fin, and having orange in the lower fins), as will be seen in the photo of the link. It's a Characin (rather that a Ciprinid as is the Tinfoil Barb), known locally as "Jaraqui." More recently, it has been re-described as Semaprochilodus insignis, but its still widely known by its original name as first described by Schomburgk in 1841. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Actually those are balitorine loaches, not hillstream escaping in the > video. If you scroll down, there's an acknowledgement in a yellow box. > > I couldn't find the fish Harl is referring to, either, not that I could > tell him what it is. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > > I've replayed that video several times looking in the background, but I > do not see any other fish other than the hillstream loaches in it. Could > you point out where it is at what time in the video? > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harl Myers > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is > it? > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > looked > > interesting... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36412	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish (1/2") to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in groups. Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up to the top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do catfish eat from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to the bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after cycling. Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. You told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is time. Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new filter????? Carole in Las Vegas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36413	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

While carbon cannot be recommended, there are hobbyists who prefer using a replacement for it, which will do a similar job in removing impurites, in between PWC's. This is where Purigen comes in. The only problem that might occur is if products such as Stress Coat or NovAqua were used, with the Purigen not being properly recharged using PRIME afterwards -- but Stress Coat (and NovAqua) are recommended not to be used anyway and are unnecessary in their slime- coat-promoting qualities. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Wouldn't it be better to solve the problem without using Purigen? If > possible? > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen > > > > With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's > recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some > things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating > Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- > inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or > NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly > recharge the filter medium. > > As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after > Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it > turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water > solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated > room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a > solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans > soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup > of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. > > This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as > bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on > aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME > after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems > stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from > the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine > remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding > products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their > slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are > suspect. Ray > > ---In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use > Purigen > > instead. > > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the > new (to > > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of > activated carbon > > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact > with most of > > the water passing through. > > > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put > it in a > > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit > at the > > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm > going to try > > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen > cartridge. > > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to > back > > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria > in it > > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and > then some > > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a > lot more > > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's > capable at > > grabbing and holding more junk. > > > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in > filter systems > > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters > like small > > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical > filtration as > > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up > with > > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. > In my > > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel > HOB's, I > > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel > since this > > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the > water > > flows back into the tank. > > > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about > putting it > > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require > removing > > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated > carbon on > > hand? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a > lot of the > > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous > organic > > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the > water to > > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it > does not > > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have > live > > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of > organic > > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing > plenty > > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and > Purigen > > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if > allowed to > > stay in the water all of the time. > > > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the > cleaning/regeneration. > > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step > that calls > > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my > article. I've > > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've > been using > > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another > product to > > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH > conditions. I > > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't > require that > > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are > more "delicate" about > > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, > higher pH > > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36414	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I guess that's what I meant, most tanks do not need purigen or carbon. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something since I don't use any chemical filtration. Thanks! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen What problem? I think this thread was just about comparing Purigen versus Carbon, pros and cons of Purigen, etc. Most tanks do not need carbon or Purigen but for overstocked tanks and tanks with BIG fish like goldfish (which technically means they are overstocked or pushing the limits), then using Purigen can be beneficial to help keep the water a little cleaner between the frequent PWC's and tank maintenance that should also be done. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:53 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen Wouldn't it be better to solve the problem without using Purigen? If possible? _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36415	From: William	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

You might have one of the dwarf Corydoras catfish that will swim in the middle of the tank and will take food from the top of the water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish (1/2") > to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in groups. > Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up to the > top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do catfish eat > from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to the > bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. > > Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after cycling. > Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. You > told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is time. > Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new > filter????? > > Carole in Las Vegas >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36416	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

In matters of indigestion, where the intestines are involved with a build up of gases, Epsom salts at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons as a bath is often successful. A periodic dip of 5 to 10 minutes (before the fish shows signs of tiredness) of 1 Tbs per Gallon of Epsom salts is sometimes used in conjunction with the bath every 4 hours or so. Where this doesn't help (if it appears it's not just a matter of being unable to digest the food), treatment for a possible internal bacterial infection may be started. For such treatment, Kanamycyn sulfate (Seachem's KanaPlus) or Naladixic Acid (A.P.I.'s Nalagram) would best address this condition, with a slight raise in this temperate water fish's water temperature to no more than 76 o (if possible, but not absolutely necessary), preferably with additional aeration -- to help boost the immune system. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, caroline <waves02@...> wrote: > > I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > sleep..? caroline > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36417	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different varieties, but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but looked > interesting... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36418	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

The cory's can eat from the top, but I found mine would occasionally swim to the top of the tank, I think it's when something startles them (fast movement or another fish bumping them). You can rub the 2 filters together really good to rub some beneficial bacteria onto them, is there just carbon inside the filter? Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish > (1/2") > to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in groups. > Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up to the > top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do catfish eat > from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to > the > bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. > > Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after cycling. > Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. > You > told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is > time. > Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new > filter????? > > Carole in Las Vegas > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36419	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

Corys will come to the surface to grab a bit of fresh air, as it were. They will actually grab some atmospheric air and swallow it. Right now, the reason for this behavior evades my mind right now, maybe because the Celtics lead is down to 25 against Dallas with about 3:17 left in the 4th quarter. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Catfish Question > > The cory's can eat from the top, but I found mine would occasionally > swim to the top of the tank, I think it's when something startles them > (fast movement or another fish bumping them). > You can rub the 2 filters together really good to rub some beneficial > bacteria onto them, is there just carbon inside the filter? > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: > > > > Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish > > (1/2") > > to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in groups. > > Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up to the > > top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do catfish eat > > from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to > > the > > bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. > > > > Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after cycling. > > Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. > > You > > told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is > > time. > > Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new > > filter????? > > > > Carole in Las Vegas > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36420	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dragon Goby

Young Dragon Goby's will do fine in fresh water for about 5 - 6 months (even though some salt should be used). If kept in fresh water after 5 - 6 months, they will become prone to sickness and almost invariably secumb after this time. They are best kept in brackish water, such as you're intending to provide, starting out in a lower salinity and increasing it as time goes by. This mimics its natural environment as it grows from being spawned in the upper reaches of tidal estuary basins to its migration down to actual brackish conditions as it grows. It's refreshing to see your concern for such type of fish, and your initiative to research it before purchasing one, to best suit its needs. All too often, hobbyists buy them with intent to maintain them indefinitely in fresh water, only to have the fish die on them after half a year without having a clue what was wrong. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "palusod" <palusod@...> wrote: > > I am looking into buy a Dragon Goby. I read alot about them and most > sites say that they are prone to sickness, but others say the are fine > in brackish water. I do have a brackish aquarium, but i am concerned > about the goby getting sick. > > Does anyone have a dragon goby than could give me any advice? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36421	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Glad you said "average," as being aware this time frame will vary. The time WILL vary, depending upon the bioload of the tank and the amount of organic waste being produced. In general, Purigen needs recharging about every 2 months, on the average. For lightly stocked tanks, this period may eneven be extended to 3 months, but if you see the medium turning dark brown within 3 weeks, for instance, you know you're over feeding and/or are too heavily stocked. You can get an idea of when it needs recharging by the color its turning to. First starting out white, it will then turn yellow. From yellow it will then start turning brown. After reaching a darker brown (some hobbyists allow it to turn almost black, although I think that's stretching things), you should then remove it for recharging. As time progresses, it may not turn brown uniformly. If, for instance half of it is brown, yet the other portion of it is still a lighter more yellowish color, it still has more filtering capacity left and does not yet need recharging. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > Thanks for telling me this, Ray! I do use Prime and I'll avoid the > slime coat enhancers. How often, on the average does Purigen need to be > recharged? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen > > > With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's > recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some > things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating > Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- > inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or > NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly > recharge the filter medium. > > As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after > Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it > turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water > solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated > room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a > solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans > soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup > of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. > > This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as > bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on > aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME > after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems > stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from > the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine > remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding > products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their > slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are > suspect. Ray >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36422	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

Thanks for the advice on the filter Amber. I'll do just that and yes, there is carbon inside the filter. I know that the Corys come to the suface for air but I gotta tell you, this little one acts like he is hungry. When I am feeding, he comes up to the surface over and over again. His surfacing doesn't seem like it is for air. I am worried he isn't getting enough to eat. The larger Cory doesn't act this way during feeding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Catfish Question > The cory's can eat from the top, but I found mine would occasionally > swim to the top of the tank, I think it's when something startles them > (fast movement or another fish bumping them). > You can rub the 2 filters together really good to rub some beneficial > bacteria onto them, is there just carbon inside the filter? > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish >> (1/2") >> to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in groups. >> Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up to the >> top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do catfish eat >> from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to >> the >> bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. >> >> Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after cycling. >> Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. >> You >> told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is >> time. >> Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new >> filter????? >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36423	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Lenny, No, I missed that part about using Purigen with salt water tanks, but then, I was not really concerned about that aspect as I was addressing Deb R's fresh water needs. Good you brought that up though, for our marine hobbyists here. I did note your comment on Seachem suggesting this step (to use a buffer) to promote sales of another one of their products, but then, Seachem themselves states that the use of pH Down (by A.P.I.) would be allowable for this step. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Ray, I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post but when using Purigen in SW > tanks, (per SeaChem) it's not necessary to do the buffer solution soak and > since I have hard water with high pH right out the tap down here, I did a > test on the Purigen by skipping the buffer soak step and then soaked the > Purigen in some tap water for a couple of days and it did not alter the > chemistry so I do not use that step. I've been using Purigen without the > buffer soak step for a few years now and it hasn't altered my pH at all from > what I can see. I think for folks with normal water or soft water, they > should follow the instructions but for folks with hard water and higher pH > water, they can probably follow the instructions for the SW instructions. > Just trying to save folks with hard, high pH water a little moolah! ;-) > > I also have never used Prime in the past few years but my dechlors (API or > Top Fin) are just basic dechlor products (sodium thiosulfate and the EDTA > for heavy metals) so I don't use the slime-this or stress-that type junk or > stuff with Aloe, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen > > With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended > to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be > considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be > ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as > your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is > valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. > > As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens > effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to > a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a > non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse > well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per > cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 > Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a > buffer. > > This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach > has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. > The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the > Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water > conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as > your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) > always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway > though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but > they are suspect. Ray > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" > <menagerie_manager@> wrote: > > > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use > Purigen > > instead. > > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the > new (to > > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of > activated carbon > > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact > with most of > > the water passing through. > > > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put > it in a > > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit > at the > > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm > going to try > > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen > cartridge. > > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to > back > > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria > in it > > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and > then some > > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a > lot more > > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's > capable at > > grabbing and holding more junk. > > > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in > filter systems > > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters > like small > > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical > filtration as > > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up > with > > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. > In my > > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel > HOB's, I > > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel > since this > > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the > water > > flows back into the tank. > > > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about > putting it > > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require > removing > > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated > carbon on > > hand? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a > lot of the > > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous > organic > > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the > water to > > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it > does not > > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have > live > > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of > organic > > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing > plenty > > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and > Purigen > > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if > allowed to > > stay in the water all of the time. > > > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the > cleaning/regeneration. > > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step > that calls > > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my > article. I've > > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've > been using > > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another > product to > > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH > conditions. I > > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't > require that > > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are > more "delicate" about > > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, > higher pH > > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36424	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

Cory's can be sensitive to water conditions too, is it possible that something is bothering him in the tank? Do you add any salt to your tank at all? It could be possible that he's just used to eating from the surface to get enough food, the LFS usually cram a lot of fish into tanks and if he was having to compete for food he might have adapted to this type of feeding for now, I would keep an eye on him to see if he's acting oddly at other times or it's just during feeding time. I'm pretty sure there is a reason your new cory is doing this, but honestly I'm not really sure. All of my cory's died to the ick outbreak a couple months ago and I didn't replace them this time. If you have just carbon inside the filter I would suggest opening up the old filter and pouring in some of the old carbon into the new filter if you can. If you can't open the new/old filters, then you may have to just rub them against each other a bit to transfer the nitrifying bacteria over. You may get a mini-cycle for a little bit though if your nitrifying bacteria doesn't grow back really fast. I have a small filter on my 10 gallon tank that you can open the top of it and pour new carbon in, instead of pulling it out and replacing it I just add new carbon every month or so and pour out some of the old carbon, that way the shock on the tank isn't as big as removing all the carbon, as that carbon does have some of your nitrifying bacteria growing on it. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Thanks for the advice on the filter Amber. I'll do just that and yes, > there > is carbon inside the filter. I know that the Corys come to the suface for > air but I gotta tell you, this little one acts like he is hungry. When > I am > feeding, he comes up to the surface over and over again. His surfacing > doesn't seem like it is for air. I am worried he isn't getting enough to > eat. The larger Cory doesn't act this way during feeding. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Catfish Question > > > The cory's can eat from the top, but I found mine would occasionally > > swim to the top of the tank, I think it's when something startles them > > (fast movement or another fish bumping them). > > You can rub the 2 filters together really good to rub some beneficial > > bacteria onto them, is there just carbon inside the filter? > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish > >> (1/2") > >> to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in > groups. > >> Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up > to the > >> top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do > catfish eat > >> from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to > >> the > >> bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. > >> > >> Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after > cycling. > >> Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. > >> You > >> told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is > >> time. > >> Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new > >> filter????? > >> > >> Carole in Las Vegas > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36425	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches

Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... What is everyone else's thoughts on this? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36426	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

Great idea! You can put that mirror on the outside of the aquarium when you do it so it will be even less likely to attract the other fish. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: thats a good ida! ill see what i can come up with for geting him to come to the other end to feed.... hmmmm he sees his own reflction as somthing to be huted and distroyed(ie his name is doppelganger as he trys to distroy what seems to be an "evil twin") i wonder if i could put a small mirror on the end of a rod and since he would be the only fish intrested it the reflection and the others would be in a feeding frenzy! i could lead him to the other side and bring him to the top!! awsome ida lenny thanks! --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > For now, don't try to add any more fish. We know you care about the neon > tetra and the other one but for now, it's better to make sure the tank is > cycling properly before adding more fish and possibly rehoming other fish. > > Once you get the filter cleaning down (see my previous post) and get your > test kit next week, then we can start learning more about what's going on in > your tank. > > The API is a good master test kit. You can get it from WalMart.com for > under 20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.. presuming you have > one. Usually if there's one PetsMart, there's several Wal-Marts.. at least > there are for me. > > You'll have to train your Betta to eat on the other end of the tank from the > faster fish. Feed them first, whatever their main food is and while they > are busy eating, then coax the betta to the other end of the tank and drop > the betta pellets for him. > > Congrat's on getting that DL soon also! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to > clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and > not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a > school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have > alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) > die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them > to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my > black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph > nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart .com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2754034 im gunna get the > 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the > tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im > going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of > my drivers licens fees.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36427	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

I don’t know if it’s a myth or true, but I have heard of fish stressing/killing themselves by fighting with their reflections in mirrors. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Great idea! You can put that mirror on the outside of the aquarium when you do it so it will be even less likely to attract the other fish. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_life_rehab%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: thats a good ida! ill see what i can come up with for geting him to come to the other end to feed.... hmmmm he sees his own reflction as somthing to be huted and distroyed(ie his name is doppelganger as he trys to distroy what seems to be an "evil twin") i wonder if i could put a small mirror on the end of a rod and since he would be the only fish intrested it the reflection and the others would be in a feeding frenzy! i could lead him to the other side and bring him to the top!! awsome ida lenny thanks! --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > For now, don't try to add any more fish. We know you care about the neon > tetra and the other one but for now, it's better to make sure the tank is > cycling properly before adding more fish and possibly rehoming other fish. > > Once you get the filter cleaning down (see my previous post) and get your > test kit next week, then we can start learning more about what's going on in > your tank. > > The API is a good master test kit. You can get it from WalMart.com for > under 20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.. presuming you have > one. Usually if there's one PetsMart, there's several Wal-Marts.. at least > there are for me. > > You'll have to train your Betta to eat on the other end of the tank from the > faster fish. Feed them first, whatever their main food is and while they > are busy eating, then coax the betta to the other end of the tank and drop > the betta pellets for him. > > Congrat's on getting that DL soon also! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to > clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and > not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a > school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have > alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) > die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them > to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my > black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph > nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart .com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2754034 im gunna get the > 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the > tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im > going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of > my drivers licens fees.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36428	From: onelvlady	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Catfish Question

No Amber, I don't add salt and I have had him for a couple of weeks. He only recently started doing this. I think the larger Cory is getting all the food and he is just hungry. Unfortunately, he doesn't get any food when he comes to the top because he doesn't stay there long enough. I actually overfed the tank a little before I cleaned it today so he would get some food. I have never seen a catfish do this. I am sorry you lost yours. I really enjoy watching them and would like to have more. I had let the filter go for awhile and it was VERY dirty. I rubbed the pieces together as you suggested. Thanks to you and everyone else who answered. Maybe I just have a very special little guy!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Catfish Question > Cory's can be sensitive to water conditions too, is it possible that > something is bothering him in the tank? Do you add any salt to your tank > at all? It could be possible that he's just used to eating from the > surface to get enough food, the LFS usually cram a lot of fish into > tanks and if he was having to compete for food he might have adapted to > this type of feeding for now, I would keep an eye on him to see if he's > acting oddly at other times or it's just during feeding time. > I'm pretty sure there is a reason your new cory is doing this, but > honestly I'm not really sure. All of my cory's died to the ick outbreak > a couple months ago and I didn't replace them this time. > If you have just carbon inside the filter I would suggest opening up the > old filter and pouring in some of the old carbon into the new filter if > you can. If you can't open the new/old filters, then you may have to > just rub them against each other a bit to transfer the nitrifying > bacteria over. You may get a mini-cycle for a little bit though if your > nitrifying bacteria doesn't grow back really fast. > I have a small filter on my 10 gallon tank that you can open the top of > it and pour new carbon in, instead of pulling it out and replacing it I > just add new carbon every month or so and pour out some of the old > carbon, that way the shock on the tank isn't as big as removing all the > carbon, as that carbon does have some of your nitrifying bacteria > growing on it. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Thanks for the advice on the filter Amber. I'll do just that and yes, >> there >> is carbon inside the filter. I know that the Corys come to the suface for >> air but I gotta tell you, this little one acts like he is hungry. When >> I am >> feeding, he comes up to the surface over and over again. His surfacing >> doesn't seem like it is for air. I am worried he isn't getting enough to >> eat. The larger Cory doesn't act this way during feeding. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Catfish Question >> >> > The cory's can eat from the top, but I found mine would occasionally >> > swim to the top of the tank, I think it's when something startles them >> > (fast movement or another fish bumping them). >> > You can rub the 2 filters together really good to rub some beneficial >> > bacteria onto them, is there just carbon inside the filter? >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > onelvlady wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey Lenny - I have a question. I bought a very small Cory a. catfish >> >> (1/2") >> >> to keep my other Cory happy because you said they liked to be in >> groups. >> >> Tank is 10 gal so can't have any more. Anyway, this baby comes up >> to the >> >> top when I am feeding the other fish. So my question is - do >> catfish eat >> >> from the surface. Is he hungry. I try and make sure some flakes get to >> >> the >> >> bottom for him but he does this every time I feed. >> >> >> >> Also, I am the one who was having zero nitrate in my tank after >> cycling. >> >> Last check, ammonia and nitrite zero and nitrate - maybe just a trace. >> >> You >> >> told me not to change the filter media so I havent but I think it is >> >> time. >> >> Should I cut a small piece of the current media and add it to the new >> >> filter????? >> >> >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >> Thank You. >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> > .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36429	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I want to thank everyone for all the good info on Purigen and chemical filters in general. This is such a great group. I'm going to copy and paste all the info onto one document and keep it in my Goldfish folder. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36430	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

I think Leanna said she was just going to lower down to get his attention to come over to the side of the tank the other fish were not feeding on so she could give him some food on that side. I assume she will lift the mirror away as soon as he comes over? That was the way I understood her plan, anyway. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: I don�t know if it�s a myth or true, but I have heard of fish stressing/killing themselves by fighting with their reflections in mirrors. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:52 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami Great idea! You can put that mirror on the outside of the aquarium when you do it so it will be even less likely to attract the other fish. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@ <mailto:wild_ life_rehab% 40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: thats a good ida! ill see what i can come up with for geting him to come to the other end to feed.... hmmmm he sees his own reflction as somthing to be huted and distroyed(ie his name is doppelganger as he trys to distroy what seems to be an "evil twin") i wonder if i could put a small mirror on the end of a rod and since he would be the only fish intrested it the reflection and the others would be in a feeding frenzy! i could lead him to the other side and bring him to the top!! awsome ida lenny thanks! --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > For now, don't try to add any more fish. We know you care about the neon > tetra and the other one but for now, it's better to make sure the tank is > cycling properly before adding more fish and possibly rehoming other fish. > > Once you get the filter cleaning down (see my previous post) and get your > test kit next week, then we can start learning more about what's going on in > your tank. > > The API is a good master test kit. You can get it from WalMart.com for > under 20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.. presuming you have > one. Usually if there's one PetsMart, there's several Wal-Marts.. at least > there are for me. > > You'll have to train your Betta to eat on the other end of the tank from the > faster fish. Feed them first, whatever their main food is and while they > are busy eating, then coax the betta to the other end of the tank and drop > the betta pellets for him. > > Congrat's on getting that DL soon also! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Leanna > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami > > i found the filter on the site that you listed but it dident tell me how to > clean it. i know how to take it apart but i dont know how to clean it and > not distroy the bacteria. > > i realy dont want anyone to think i dont care about my neon not having a > school. i realy do. but i dont want to risk killing off any more. i have > alredy had 9 neon tetras and 1corycat(my current corycat had a sucsessor) > die in my tank. even thow there just fish i still care about there wellbing. > > oh and i have a question about my beta. about how long duse it take for them > to realize that he has to compeat woth the others for the beta pelits(my > black tetra and swardtail LOVE THEM)?? will he beable to get enouph > nutrients from the tropical flakes and algae pellets untell that time? > > oh and i found the test kit im gunna buy > http://www.petsmart .com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2754034 im gunna get the > 30.00 master kit. but again im not going to beable to order it untell the > tusday after next(my payday)i have enough money now but i dont think im > going to beable to convince my perents to let me use it on my fish insted of > my drivers licens fees.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36431	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group.

Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36432	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. Does this sound like a good idea? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here Tuesday > night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's to > acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum about my > project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put the > hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their diet > (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of Hillstream > Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types > as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find > those for sale anywhere yet ;) > Here's a quote from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although the > filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be sufficient at > first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have the micro flora > and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae they consume but > other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in addition to their > extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal world you would be > looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any Loaches to this setup > and adding other fish, plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank > establish itself after cycling." > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36433	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dragon Goby

We had one that recently died, but we also had him for about 5 years. He died when our heaters failed and the water got too cold. Eric palusod wrote: > > I am looking into buy a Dragon Goby. I read alot about them and most > sites say that they are prone to sickness, but others say the are fine > in brackish water. I do have a brackish aquarium, but i am concerned > about the goby getting sick. > > Does anyone have a dragon goby than could give me any advice? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36434	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

hello? >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to >sleep..? caroline > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36435	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

I saw a reply from Lenny on this, did you not get it? Was a long one. Amber caroline wrote: > > hello? > > >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > >sleep..? caroline > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36436	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

Well maybe it was to someone else, sorry. Ray did reply though, about epsom salts and possible internal bacterial infection... did you not see his reply? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I saw a reply from Lenny on this, did you not get it? > Was a long one. > > Amber > > caroline wrote: > > > > hello? > > > > >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > > >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > > >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > > >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > > >sleep..? caroline > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36437	From: Leanna	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Powder Blue dwarf grami

ya i woulent leave it in there. if i did he would eventuly louse intrest and i would only use the mirror untell he gets the point that when i open the tank in the morning it means he needs to surface for food.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36438	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I am allergic to Prime and so I am wondering if there is another alternative if I want to use Purigen? I do want/need to be able to stick my hands in the tank from time to time and I don't want to deal with gloves every time. Thanks, Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended, as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@ ...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-- >Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control. .." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/ nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regenerati on. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36439	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Well, when I moved the tank off of the buffet, I thought I could do it by scooping a pool in the gravel, lowering the water enough, and getting a couple of younger backs to lift it onto the credenza. (I returned all but the usual 5G PWC to the tank) But Raven panicked and gave herself a scrape on her side - no blood, but she has a small shiny silver spot where it should be black. I decided to leave the salt at 1tsp/G until she heals up. I plan on setting up the new (to me) tank first on the buffet and transferring half the gravel plus an equal amount of new gravel, the water, and the fish into it. Then I'll move the current tank over and fill it and set up the water bridge. I'll probably borrow a Tupperware container from the kitchen to hold and transfer the fish. The ones I use to store dry pasta shouldn't have anything bad absorbed into them. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Yep. I use a tupperware bowl and net the fish but keep it in the water, then slide the tupperware bowl under the net and lift them out... then release the fish from the net so it's in the tupperware bowl. It depends on what you are netting the fish for. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager Thanks for your input. My fish are just on the edge of being too big for the thing anyway, but I'd never seen one before and wondered if they actually worked or not. I suppose if I really didn't want to lift a fish from the water, I could catch it with a regular net and transfer it to a container just under the surface. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36440	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Yep, what he said. I was just comparing. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen What problem? I think this thread was just about comparing Purigen versus Carbon, pros and cons of Purigen, etc. Most tanks do not need carbon or Purigen but for overstocked tanks and tanks with BIG fish like goldfish (which technically means they are overstocked or pushing the limits), then using Purigen can be beneficial to help keep the water a little cleaner between the frequent PWC's and tank maintenance that should also be done. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen Wouldn't it be better to solve the problem without using Purigen? If possible? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended,as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-->Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control..." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regeneration. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36441	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

I will be getting heaters for my goldfish, 55g tank, and my tropical 29g tank. I have not started looking into heaters yet and would very much welcome recommendations, as well. If the Rena you were just talking about would work, I'll look into it. I am wondering how well it hides, which means I prefer not to have HOB type. Otherwise, if I can stick a plant in front of it, I'll be happy. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some much older than that. Yes, some brands are better than others. What size tank do you have? If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 price) on DrsFosterSmith. com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in storage until needed since they were such a good price. There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, is that true? Thanks, Jim ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36442	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

So... are you going to move the fish (or some of them) from the 125G into the 55G for a few months to get the rest of the ecology going in it? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... What is everyone else's thoughts on this? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36443	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

yes, see the post where I just replied to myself ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So... are you going to move the fish (or some of them) from the 125G into > the 55G for a few months to get the rest of the ecology going in it? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here Tuesday > night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's to acclimate, > yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum about my project ideas > and some tips, I was told that I should not put the hillstreams into a > newly > set up tank as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point later > down the > line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are > really neat too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a > quote from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although the > filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be sufficient at > first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have the micro > flora and > fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae they consume but other > organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in addition to their extra > foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal world you would be > looking at a > 4-6 month period before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other > fish, plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself > after cycling." > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > gallon > tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon has enough > algae and awfuchs growing in it... > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36444	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

thank you... thank you so much.. I am so attached to this fish..she is part of the family.. well, I got a hospital tank..and put her in it.. with 1 inch of water above her dorsal fin..it could help with her trauma... I will now purchase some kanamycyn sulfate.. and obey your instructions.. you have given me hope.. again.. thank you.. caroline oh.. and getting omega dropping mosels..for the my other 1 goldfish.. we have ordered a 50 gallon tank for them.. I never knew how much fish keeping would capture my soul.. At 12:00 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote: >In matters of indigestion, where the intestines are involved with a >build up of gases, Epsom salts at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons as a bath is >often successful. A periodic dip of 5 to 10 minutes (before the fish >shows signs of tiredness) of 1 Tbs per Gallon of Epsom salts is >sometimes used in conjunction with the bath every 4 hours or so. > >Where this doesn't help (if it appears it's not just a matter of >being unable to digest the food), treatment for a possible internal >bacterial infection may be started. For such treatment, Kanamycyn >sulfate (Seachem's KanaPlus) or Naladixic Acid (A.P.I.'s Nalagram) >would best address this condition, with a slight raise in this >temperate water fish's water temperature to no more than 76 o (if >possible, but not absolutely necessary), preferably with additional >aeration -- to help boost the immune system. Ray > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, >caroline <waves02@...> wrote: > > > > I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > > floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > > tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > > peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > > sleep..? caroline > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36445	From: caroline	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

no...never saw it...................sometimes, messages just do not show up.... thank you..amber... caroline At 04:12 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote: >I saw a reply from Lenny on this, did you not get it? >Was a long one. > >Amber > >caroline wrote: > > > > hello? > > > > >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > > >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > > >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > > >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > > >sleep..? caroline > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. Does this sound like a good idea? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any > Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps > inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36447	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

That's great, thanks Lenny, and yes, when I first saw the word "awfuchs" and wondered how it was pronounced my first thought was something very similar to yours, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > plate > of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize > they left their keys in the car... lol) > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and derivatives > (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting > consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is > represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet > rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with > other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, > and so, > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > trick that > may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to > paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let > them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for > biofilm." > (END SNIP) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > gallon > another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was > thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank > cycled > until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and > perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I > will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big > tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > Does this sound like a good idea? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > > world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any > > Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps > > inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36448	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ pic/list Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36449	From: William	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

Who says that you can't have three heaters that add up to 300 watts. It would do the same job without affecting the outcome. If one fails in the on position it will not over heat and if one sticks in the on position it will not be able to overheat the track. It would be unthinkable for all three to fail at the same time. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. > I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some > much older than that. > > Yes, some brands are better than others. > > What size tank do you have? > > If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two > 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a > heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off > position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and > could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and > adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on > position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. > > A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 > price) on DrsFosterSmith.com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater > but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with > only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. > > I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so > when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the > incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill > process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in > storage until needed since they were such a good price. > > There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them > out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips > over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into > a tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Pat. > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than > another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, > is that true? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

I replied with a long reply... a week or two ago also, if I'm not mistaken. Many folks who use email never check their spam folders and unfortunately some good mail will often go into their spam folders so if the person never checks it, they don't get a lot of their good mail. Since it seems this member is not checking and my email must be going to their spam folder, tell them to go to the groups website to read their messages and also to start checking their spam folders and marking good mail as NOT SPAM. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fancy goldfish\ Well maybe it was to someone else, sorry. Ray did reply though, about epsom salts and possible internal bacterial infection... did you not see his reply? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I saw a reply from Lenny on this, did you not get it? > Was a long one. > > Amber > > caroline wrote: > > > > hello? > > > > >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is > > >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the > > >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and > > >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to > > >sleep..? caroline

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36451	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

You really do not need to heat your goldfish tank, unless you keep your room temperature down under 60^o F. on a regular basis, then you would probably want to maintain them at 60. You might want to have one on hand, just in case you need it for disease treatment, But I suspect that the need for a heater on your goldfish tank would be rare, and you can just run out and get one if needed. They have a tendency to get dusty if they hang around for a while, unused. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > I will be getting heaters for my goldfish, 55g tank, and my tropical 29g tank. I have not > started looking into heaters yet and would very much welcome recommendations, as well. If > the Rena you were just talking about would work, I'll look into it. I am wondering how well it > hides, which means I prefer not to have HOB type. Otherwise, if I can stick a plant in front > of it, I'll be happy. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. > > I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some > > much older than that. > > > > Yes, some brands are better than others. > > > > What size tank do you have? > > > > If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two > > 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a > > heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off > > position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and > > could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and > > adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on > > position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. > > > > A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 > > price) on DrsFosterSmith. com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater > > but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with > > only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. > > > > I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so > > when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the > > incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill > > process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in > > storage until needed since they were such a good price. > > > > There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them > > out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips > > over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into > > a tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Jim Pat. > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > > > I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than > > another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, > > is that true? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36452	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

Do you know what part of Prime you are allergic to and are you allergic to other dechlor products as well? According to the MSDS http://www.seachem.com/support/MSDS/Prime.doc.pdf It contains... "Proprietary aqueous solution of complexed hydrosulfite salts" which is SeaChem's way of not disclosing what's in it by saying it's "Proprietary"... but it is still based on the same types of salts as most other dechlor products.. the most common being Sodium Thiosulphate for chlorine and then EDTA salts for heavy metal treatment. I would suspect if you are allergic to Prime, you may also be allergic to other dechlor products. You could also call the SeaChem people at the numbers listed on the MSDS for more info. Seachem Laboratories, Inc. Emergency Telephone Number: 706-343-6060 1000 Seachem Drive Telephone Number for Information: 706-343-6060 Madison, GA 30650 Date Prepared: 26 June 2006 On a side note, I've never used Prime in the recharge process and haven't seen any problems and it still comes clean after the recharge and then gets brown again once in the filter system again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen I am allergic to Prime and so I am wondering if there is another alternative if I want to use Purigen? I do want/need to be able to stick my hands in the tank from time to time and I don't want to deal with gloves every time. Thanks, Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended, as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@ ...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-- >Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control. .." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/ nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regenerati on. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36453	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Very nice! How do you get the camera to focus on them? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36454	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: fancy goldfish\

I'm CC you to make sure you get this. I'm just learning about goldfish myself, but I've seen a couple responses to your message. You may want to check your spam folder. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "caroline" <waves02@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fancy goldfish\ hello? >I take it.. that there is no answer.. about a goldfish that is >floating upside down ... she is trying to reach the bottom of the >tank..but, only when food is present.. I am feeding green beans and >peas.. and omega fish food.. the last resort is putting her to >sleep..? caroline > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36455	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

Yes, these Rena heaters are fully submersible so they don't have to hang on the top frame. They do come with little suction cup mounts if you wanted to stick it to the back glass either vertically or horizontally. You could also lay in down in the back on the gravel and bury the wire along the back and then run the wire up the corner or up the HOB filter intake tube to hide it. They also sell the little suction cups used for the small airline tubing that would also hold the wiring in a corner or behind the HOB intake tube. I have mine in the back corner of the tank where there is a black frame corner piece for my acrylic tank so it kind of blends in with that black corner piece. Also, when I first set up the tank, I glued some little plastic wire holders in the back corners of the tank to hold airline tubing and wiring. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? I will be getting heaters for my goldfish, 55g tank, and my tropical 29g tank. I have not started looking into heaters yet and would very much welcome recommendations, as well. If the Rena you were just talking about would work, I'll look into it. I am wondering how well it hides, which means I prefer not to have HOB type. Otherwise, if I can stick a plant in front of it, I'll be happy. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some much older than that. Yes, some brands are better than others. What size tank do you have? If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 price) on DrsFosterSmith. com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in storage until needed since they were such a good price. There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, is that true? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36456	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Yep. I've had some of my most intellectual conversations when talking to myself. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches yes, see the post where I just replied to myself ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So... are you going to move the fish (or some of them) from the 125G > into the 55G for a few months to get the rest of the ecology going in it? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > world you would be looking at a > 4-6 month period before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding > other fish, plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank > establish itself after cycling." > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36457	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzF9eDsCiI Here is the vidieo that I saw... What is that fish? I have been reading and looking at fish for a short time, but actively, this fish has not been seen before this. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...>wrote: > Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different varieties, > > but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. > > Amber > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > looked > > interesting... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36458	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Set the digital camera to take a series of rapid photos and delete the 49 that do not come out well... of the 50 that you take. ;-) But I'm sure Amber has trained her fish to follow hand commands to sit, stay and "strike a pose". ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. Very nice! How do you get the camera to focus on them? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

The best image that I saw so far was at the 1:30 mark... but if you look under SnotBog1's other video's, you'll see he calls it a Flagtail fish in this shorter video with more close-ups of just this fish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anJNk7y9GE&feature=channel A Google search of "flagtail fish" found many other hits. About a third of the way down on this article, the author has a nice still image... http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/people/Richard_T1Karmann.html "The final fish in Richard's collection is a fine 16 inch prochilodus. Richard raised this fish from a small size. As many keepers of Asian arowana already know, a flagtail prochilodus or Fei Feng (as it is known in Asia) acts a good scavenger." A Google Image search of - flagtail prochilodus - finds lots of images. Fishbase has it as Semaprochilodus insignis, which is what someone else mentioned earlier.. I think. http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=25658 On a side note... all of the above tanks are seriously bad images of grossly overstocked and mis-stocked tanks (at least one Oranda goldfish in with a bunch of tropicals in the video link provided in the below reply)... what a shame for newbie's that see these tanks and think they can do the same... only to see their fish die an early death. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What fish is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzF9eDsCiI Here is the vidieo that I saw... What is that fish? I have been reading and looking at fish for a short time, but actively, this fish has not been seen before this. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...>wrote: > Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different > varieties, > > but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. > > Amber > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > looked > > interesting...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36460	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

Right now it is in my basement. I am going to move it upstairs, but we are notorious for power outages in our areas so I wanted to have something around, just in case. I will use it a couple of times a year unless the power company is going to surprise us this year. I have never heated the goldfish tank in the basement since it stays pretty reasonable down there, even when the power go out. I may get a cooler for the summer outages when we lose our A/C, too. We have some battery packs for power backup that I can plug them into. Thanks for the help, though, Steve. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: You really do not need to heat your goldfish tank, unless you keep your room temperature down under 60^o F. on a regular basis, then you would probably want to maintain them at 60. You might want to have one on hand, just in case you need it for disease treatment, But I suspect that the need for a heater on your goldfish tank would be rare, and you can just run out and get one if needed. They have a tendency to get dusty if they hang around for a while, unused. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > I will be getting heaters for my goldfish, 55g tank, and my tropical 29g tank. I have not > started looking into heaters yet and would very much welcome recommendations, as well. If > the Rena you were just talking about would work, I'll look into it. I am wondering how well it > hides, which means I prefer not to have HOB type. Otherwise, if I can stick a plant in front > of it, I'll be happy. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. > > I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some > > much older than that. > > > > Yes, some brands are better than others. > > > > What size tank do you have? > > > > If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two > > 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a > > heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off > > position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and > > could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and > > adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on > > position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. > > > > A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 > > price) on DrsFosterSmith. com clearance pages, is the Rena Cal Excel heater > > but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with > > only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. > > > > I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so > > when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the > > incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill > > process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in > > storage until needed since they were such a good price. > > > > There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them > > out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips > > over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into > > a tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Jim Pat. > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? > > > > I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than > > another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, > > is that true? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36461	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

I do not know what it is and it is not worth pursuing unless I really need the product. I am allergic to one of their other products, as well, so I just sort of avoid their chemicals if I can. I think they must like to use something that disagrees with my immune system. I was glad to see your earlier post that you did not use Prime with Purigen during which you listed the other products you did use. I saved it so I could remember which of the other products you used that worked. If I start using Purigen, I'll try the stuff you use. Thanks, Lenny --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Do you know what part of Prime you are allergic to and are you allergic to other dechlor products as well? According to the MSDS http://www.seachem. com/support/ MSDS/Prime. doc.pdf It contains... "Proprietary aqueous solution of complexed hydrosulfite salts" which is SeaChem's way of not disclosing what's in it by saying it's "Proprietary" ... but it is still based on the same types of salts as most other dechlor products.. the most common being Sodium Thiosulphate for chlorine and then EDTA salts for heavy metal treatment. I would suspect if you are allergic to Prime, you may also be allergic to other dechlor products. You could also call the SeaChem people at the numbers listed on the MSDS for more info. Seachem Laboratories, Inc. Emergency Telephone Number: 706-343-6060 1000 Seachem Drive Telephone Number for Information: 706-343-6060 Madison, GA 30650 Date Prepared: 26 June 2006 On a side note, I've never used Prime in the recharge process and haven't seen any problems and it still comes clean after the recharge and then gets brown again once in the filter system again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen I am allergic to Prime and so I am wondering if there is another alternative if I want to use Purigen? I do want/need to be able to stick my hands in the tank from time to time and I don't want to deal with gloves every time. Thanks, Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly recharge the filter medium. As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended, as bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are suspect. Ray ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@ ...> wrote: > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use Purigen > instead. > Mechanical-- >Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the new (to > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of activated carbon > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact with most of > the water passing through. > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put it in a > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit at the > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm going to try > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen cartridge. > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to back > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria in it > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and then some > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a lot more > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's capable at > grabbing and holding more junk. > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in filter systems > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters like small > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical filtration as > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up with > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. In my > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel HOB's, I > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel since this > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the water > flows back into the tank. > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about putting it > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require removing > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated carbon on > hand? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > It says it helps "...control. .." nitrogenous wastes by removing a lot of the > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous organic > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the water to > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it does not > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have live > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of organic > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing plenty > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and Purigen > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/ nitrate levels in a tank if allowed to > stay in the water all of the time. > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the cleaning/regenerati on. > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step that calls > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my article. I've > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've been using > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another product to > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH conditions. I > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't require that > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are more "delicate" about > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, higher pH > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36462	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

Thanks one and all! On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny < GoldLenny@...> wrote: > The best image that I saw so far was at the 1:30 mark... but if you look > under SnotBog1's other video's, you'll see he calls it a Flagtail fish in > this shorter video with more close-ups of just this fish. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anJNk7y9GE&feature=channel > > A Google search of "flagtail fish" found many other hits. > > About a third of the way down on this article, the author has a nice still > image... > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/people/Richard_T1Karmann.html > "The final fish in Richard's collection is a fine 16 inch prochilodus. > Richard raised this fish from a small size. As many keepers of Asian > arowana > already know, a flagtail prochilodus or Fei Feng (as it is known in Asia) > acts a good scavenger." > > A Google Image search of - flagtail prochilodus - finds lots of images. > > Fishbase has it as Semaprochilodus insignis, which is what someone else > mentioned earlier.. I think. > http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=25658 > > On a side note... all of the above tanks are seriously bad images of > grossly > overstocked and mis-stocked tanks (at least one Oranda goldfish in with a > bunch of tropicals in the video link provided in the below reply)... what a > shame for newbie's that see these tanks and think they can do the same... > only to see their fish die an early death. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:39 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What fish is this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzF9eDsCiI > > Here is the vidieo that I saw... What is that fish? I have been reading > and looking at fish for a short time, but actively, this fish has not been > seen before this. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Amber Berglund > <amber@... <amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different > > varieties, > > > > but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What is it? > > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > > looked > > > interesting... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36463	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: 43 year old goldfish

Lenny, you are gonna hate the tank this goldfish lives in! But these people must be doing something right. The fish is 43 years old. Deb P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish

No, they weren't doing anything right.. they simply got lucky... even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. That fish was severely stunted.. only 11.5cm (4.5 inches) at death, where he should have been well over a foot long and up to two feet long. Here's the BBC article from back in 1999 after Tish died, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/414114.stm, but I still wonder if they didn't just move the goldfish to a bio-orb tank (like a BIG bowl but filtered, etc.) for the purpose of taking it's picture. Often, you'll see goldfish for sale in online auctions with pictures of them in light blue tubs to show them off a little better but they don't live in the tubs full time. Of course, with it being stunted so badly, maybe it did live it's life in that bio-orb or bowl. In either case, it was purely luck. I've seen and read enough horror stories of sickly and early-death goldfish, almost always in undersized tanks, to know they should not be kept like that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:27 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 43 year old goldfish Lenny, you are gonna hate the tank this goldfish lives in! But these people must be doing something right. The fish is 43 years old. Deb P

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1869 You just knew this was going to come up some day... they've been claiming this for unborn babies for years.... and the world was introduced to Rap music instead. Now who remembers the Sugarhill Gang? "I said a hip, hop a hibby..." LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36466	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: goldfish questions

I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36467	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Ya gotta wonder who gave them that name?! --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) http://www.plecofan atics.com/ articles/ showentry. php?e=87& catid=1 "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistru s group and derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. Does this sound like a good idea? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any > Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps > inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > Amber __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36468	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish

Yeah, you gotta wonder. I don't think the bowl was his home, at any rate. It must have been a tank of some sort or he couldn't have survived at all unless they did a lot of water changes. The fish's brother lived for 19 years so the couple must have done something right? I wonder what they fed them. They may have used fresh food rather than the stuff available around here. Deb P. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: No, they weren't doing anything right.. they simply got lucky... even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. That fish was severely stunted.. only 11.5cm (4.5 inches) at death, where he should have been well over a foot long and up to two feet long. Here's the BBC article from back in 1999 after Tish died, http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/uk/414114. stm, but I still wonder if they didn't just move the goldfish to a bio-orb tank (like a BIG bowl but filtered, etc.) for the purpose of taking it's picture. Often, you'll see goldfish for sale in online auctions with pictures of them in light blue tubs to show them off a little better but they don't live in the tubs full time. Of course, with it being stunted so badly, maybe it did live it's life in that bio-orb or bowl. In either case, it was purely luck. I've seen and read enough horror stories of sickly and early-death goldfish, almost always in undersized tanks, to know they should not be kept like that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:27 PM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] 43 year old goldfish Lenny, you are gonna hate the tank this goldfish lives in! But these people must be doing something right. The fish is 43 years old. Deb P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36469	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

I have to stay away from the fish tank a bit, like a few feet away, then zoom in with my camera. I have a decent camera though I guess. Panasonic DMC-LZ5. Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Very nice! How do you get the camera to focus on them? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > bigger tank though. > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36470	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Oh yes, lots of training there ;) LOL. I do have my camera set to take sequential shots, I think it takes up to 5 or so in a row. It's nice if your camera has a fast shutter too. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Set the digital camera to take a series of rapid photos and delete the 49 > that do not come out well... of the 50 that you take. ;-) > > But I'm sure Amber has trained her fish to follow hand commands to > sit, stay > and "strike a pose". ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > them to the group. > > Very nice! How do you get the camera to focus on them? > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > bigger tank though. > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36471	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

I find it interesting that there are fancy gold fish in that tank with all of those tropicals. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzF9eDsCiI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzF9eDsCiI> > > Here is the vidieo that I saw... What is that fish? I have been reading > and looking at fish for a short time, but actively, this fish has not been > seen before this. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>>wrote: > > > Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different varieties, > > > > but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970> > > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970 > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1970>> > > > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What > is it? > > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > > looked > > > interesting... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36472	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: What fish is this?

In his comments below the video he said he took the cold water fish, including the goldfish out after the video. He doesn't say why they were together to begin with. Maybe to make the video or as a temporary home while working on another tank. Anyway, several people commented on it to him and he answered each of them that the fish had been moved. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: I find it interesting that there are fancy gold fish in that tank with all of those tropicals. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=bIzF9eDsCiI > <http://www.youtube com/watch? v=bIzF9eDsCiI> > > Here is the vidieo that I saw... What is that fish? I have been reading > and looking at fish for a short time, but actively, this fish has not been > seen before this. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>>wrote: > > > Those are all hillstream loaches, they come in many different varieties, > > > > but they are all sucker type fish that live in fast flowing streams. > > > > Amber > > > > > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > > > http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 1970 > <http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 1970> > > > > <http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 1970 > <http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 1970>> > > > > > > In the video a fish has striped tail and anal fins - black and orange. > > > Orange Pectoral fins. Shaped something like a tinfoil barb. What > is it? > > > Looks like it grows pretty big, so out of the question for now, but > > looked > > > interesting. .. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36473	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't been approved yet, now that I just checked. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > bigger tank though. > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > pic/list > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36474	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Oh oops they were approved. Page 2 in my folder listed below is all the new photos. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic > life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure > who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > > pic/list > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36475	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

LOL I had to look to see what you were talking about the "2 big white dots" they are suction cups. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic > life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure > who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > > pic/list > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36476	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Your pics were approved a long time ago... several hours at least. No pics are pending right now... I just checked and I see a bunch of pics dated January 25, 2009. Your album is not two pages so click the "next" button to see the majority of your new pics. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't been approved yet, now that I just checked. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > Deb P. > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > bigger tank though. > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually > touch > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep > laying > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > unless > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > pic/list > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Are those related to suckermouth catfish?... the elusive albino suction cup fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. LOL I had to look to see what you were talking about the "2 big white dots" they are suction cups. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members > aquatic life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, > not sure who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in > > the photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I > > see something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone > > how > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and > > that > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in > > the > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then > > he > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually > > touch > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep > > laying > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > > unless > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ > > album/243006836/ pic/list > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36478	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Already saw that, I was talking to myself about it again, LOL. But thanks for looking for me Lenny. I'm going to take some more current far away shots of the tank so you can see all the new plants and plant growth, the plants definitely like the walstad tank setup. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Your pics were approved a long time ago... several hours at least. No pics > are pending right now... I just checked and I see a bunch of pics dated > January 25, 2009. Your album is not two pages so click the "next" > button to > see the majority of your new pics. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > them to the group. > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members > aquatic life > photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure who's > he is. > None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't been > approved yet, now that I just checked. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually > > touch > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep > > laying > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > > unless > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > > pic/list > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36479	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

yes, a new variety, one that you don't have to feed, they get all their nutrients from one spot on the glass on the side of the tank ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Are those related to suckermouth catfish?... the elusive albino > suction cup > fish. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:53 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > them to the group. > > LOL I had to look to see what you were talking about the "2 big white > dots" > they are suction cups. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members > > aquatic life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, > > not sure who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are > mine, LOL. > > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in > > > the photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I > > > see something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I > would ask. > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone > > > how > > > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and > > > that > > > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in > > > the > > > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then > > > he > > > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually > > > touch > > > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep > > > laying > > > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > > > unless > > > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ > > > album/243006836/ pic/list > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36480	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches

I believe it is German. I am terrible at this but will try. It is Not pronounced like "Awe" more like Oufwooks. The "ou" as in "Ouch" Fwooks I first heard of it at a talk presented by Ad Konings at the PCCA. He mentions them in his books on feeding habits of some cichlid fishes. _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs) -Mike In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:19:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pennafd@... writes: Ya gotta wonder who gave them that name?! --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) > wrote: Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) _http://www.plecofan_ (http://www.plecofan/) atics.com/ articles/ showentry. php?e=87& catid=1 "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistru s group and derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36481	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I think it is one of the myths that float around in this hobby and the general public when it comes to aquarium fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:18 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions > > I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For > example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like > it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting > to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not > sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. > > Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of > the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding > goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second > memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. > They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time > and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term > memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as > much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? > > Deb P. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36482	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I'd be worried about decayed vegetables contributing to the ammonia in my tank, I wouldn't do it. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:18 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36483	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: question about plants

I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36484	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches

Killjoy! ;-) But if you look at my last name, you'll see, Ich bin Deutsch ("I am German"... note that Ich is "I", not a fish disease.. lol)... well, actually my great, great grandfather was... but I took a couple of years of German back in high school and still remember some of it, but it was more fun to speculate on "Americanized" pronunciations. ;-) Auf Wiedersehen und Guten Tag (Goodbye and Good Day)! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I believe it is German. I am terrible at this but will try. It is Not pronounced like "Awe" more like Oufwooks. The "ou" as in "Ouch" Fwooks I first heard of it at a talk presented by Ad Konings at the PCCA. He mentions them in his books on feeding habits of some cichlid fishes. _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs) -Mike In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:19:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pennafd@... writes: Ya gotta wonder who gave them that name?! --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) > wrote: Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) _http://www.plecofan_ (http://www.plecofan/) atics.com/ articles/ showentry. php?e=87& catid=1 "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistru s group and derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm."

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36485	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I guess if it's a veggie where you can cut off the rotting part and the rest is still OK, then it would be OK... but then that would also still be OK for us to eat... at least that's what I do with a part of a potato, banana, etc., that might be bruised and looking yucky... cut it off and still eat the rest of it. If the whole thing is too nasty for me to eat, I probably wouldn't try feeding it to my pets (fish or dog). I think, in general, the bigger the fish, the more likely for it to have a "personality" and to remember it's owner, etc. My cherry shrimp and zebra danios (for example) sure don't have much personality compared to my goldfish. Oscars and goldfish are more like puppies and are happy to see us (yeah, I know.. really just begging for food.. lol), as are other BIG fish, where many other smaller tropicals sometimes still get spooked or hide as if they don't remember who we are.... even when they should be hungry and happy to see us. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions I'd be worried about decayed vegetables contributing to the ammonia in my tank, I wouldn't do it. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:18 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36486	From: greychildren	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: My first 55g tank

Hey guys I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea for me in my new set up. This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown loaches. got Any other ideas? i tried melachine green also did not work. tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36487	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the ...

Amber, Great looking tank and fish..Hope mine turns out like that.. Jim In a message dated 1/25/2009 5:31:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://grhttp://groups.<Whttp://g_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list) Amber **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36488	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. Here's my 65G http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/my-diy-2000-big-tank-stand.html when I first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=71 and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then re-plant it. Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/gf_plants.html http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/Plants.html http://thegab.org/Articles/GoldfishPlantsLowTech.html http://thegab.org/Articles/PottedPlants.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36489	From: Shannon	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Fish Identification

Hello all, I am new to the group here and was looking for someone who can help me identify the species of fish I have. I have had "Bubba" for approximately 10 years, after my mother bought him at the LFS being told that he was not an aggressive species. She put him in her 55g community tank and he ate all the smaller fish, so she asked me if I wanted him. I took him and absolutely love him; he has quite a personality and will actually try to "kiss" you through the glass on his tank.....I really think he's trying to attack me when I kiss the side of the tank but it's more fun to say it's kisses lol. Mom was told that he is a Blood Red Parrot, but he doesn't really resemble any of the other fish I have seen of this species. He is approximately 8" long from lips to tail and approximately 5-6" tall from dorsal fin to pec fin. I have been feeding him bloodworms, cichlid pellets, frozen beef heart, the occasional small earthworm from my organic flower beds, and small guppies. He currently lives in a 29g tank with a bala shark, 2 plecos, a tiger barb and about 12 guppies. I will be upgrading soon to a 55g tank. I posted a pic of Bubba on the Members' AquaticLife photo album. Can anyone help me identify what species he is? Thanks in advance.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36490	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: 72 gal. bow front set up...

I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36491	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

Good find! Make sure you fill it all the way to check for leaks. The water pressure is doubled when it's full. There are so many options available when stocking a 55G that it would be impossible to know where to start. Do you have at least one fish in mind? If you have one, you can look at the Mongabay profile for suggested companion fish and then look through them to see what you like. Even a 10G tank was a major ordeal in coming up with suitable 10G tank stocking suggestions if you ever look over the article on my blog. I couldn't fathom trying to come up with the thousands of combinations available for a 55G tank. You can use the design of my DIY tank stand that I built for my 65G tank to make your own stand for under $20.00 if you want to keep things on a budget and have more money for your fish. ;-) As far as the Ich with the clown loaches issue, I don't think that was me that was helping you with that.... probably Ray or \\Steve//. You might want to find your old thread on that issue and post an update to the thread so the health experts can review everything that you've done so far so they can advise you better. I'm not sure that just raising the temp for four days would do the trick though. It usually takes longer than that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My first 55g tank Hey guys I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea for me in my new set up. This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown loaches. got Any other ideas? i tried melachine green also did not work. tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...

I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36493	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Heater, which one??

Lenny, Thanks, a year just sounded like they wanted to sell me another heater.. I like the idea of having (2) heaters for better tank coverage and some back-up in case one does fail.. It's a 72gal. , so I will be looking at (2) 150w heaters.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/25/2009 12:52:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Heaters do not need to be replaced unless they are failing for some reason. I have heaters that are five to ten years old and I'm sure others have some much older than that. Yes, some brands are better than others. What size tank do you have? If you need a total of 250 to 300 watts, then it would be better to get two 1/2 sized heaters (two 150's) so that you have redundancy in the event of a heater failure. Further, if one of the heaters should ever fail in the off position, you would notice that the other one is staying on all the time and could check the temperature setting on the heater that doesn't come on and adjust it accordingly. If one of the heaters ever fails in the stuck on position, it would not be able to overheat your tank. A good heater that's actually on clearance sale right now (less than 1/2 price) on DrsFosterSmith.price) on DrsFosterSmith.<WBR>com clearance p but it's only the 100 watt model for $10.00 each. If you can get by with only 200 watts of heating, I would go with two of them. I have one in my 65G goldfish tank during the winter set at 74F mainly so when I'm refilling the tank after a PWC, the heater helps warm up the incoming cold water so the tank's temperature doesn't drop during the refill process. I bought a couple more of these clearance sale models to keep in storage until needed since they were such a good price. There's nothing wrong with these but the reason that Rena is clearing them out is because they have come out with the new "SmartHeater" which slips over the intake to a filter system so it's one less thing sticking down into a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:00 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater, which one?? I need a 250w to 300w heater, with all of them out there is one better than another? ($20 range) I also understsnd you should replace them every year, is that true? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36494	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

In answer to your 2nd question. There have been many reports from people who keep goldfish as pets of their remarkable personality traits and their ability to bond with their owners. One man, in Pittsburg, PA has even trained goldfish to do complex tricks. This was reported in Decemter 2005 in the Underwatertimes.com News Service.Using animal & dolphin training techniques, he taught a goldfish to swim through hoops & to push a miniature soccer ball around the tank. That sounds like "memory" to me! I love to hear about the relationships that develop between people and their pet fish. I'd like to hear more about yours. Eric Lampe PS: follow this link to Underwater Times news article- http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/post? act=reply&messageNum=36466 --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. > > Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? > > Deb P. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

"...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a dish of water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow for two days and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic matter introduced will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and make the water ready for introducing fish. The bacteria introduced will include bacteria that oxidize ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly speeding the cycling of the tank...." Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to the full article), as this snippet came from an article I was just reading about using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the author then segued into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to speed up the cycling process. I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't get where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36496	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I don't know about the veggie question, but have you seen the R2 Fish School video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Iznh9VbsY&NR=1 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification

Doesn't look like a Parrot Cichlid at all. I hope you are going to also keep the 29G running also after setting up the 55G. You have a LOT of fish for even those two tanks so you will be needing some more big tanks soon. You probably should have resisted adopting this "parrot cichlid". Bala Sharks should grow to 16" and need at least a 6' to 8' long tank. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Balantiocheilus_melanopterus.html Pleco's... depending on the species with the "Common Plecos" growing to 18"+ needing a lot of water volume (75G+) for each fish as they are constant eaters/poopers. There are hundreds of species of plecos so you should try to find out what kind you have. Of course, your unidentified fish is already 8" long so it should be in at least a 48" to 64" long tank so the 55G will at least work for him and the 29G for the smaller fish but you won't be able to keep four BIG fish in a 55G for very long without having water quality problems, stunting issues and likely fighting issues as the fish try to kill off the competition for space to try and preserve their own lives... Darwinism's survival of the fittest. If the plecos are one of the dwarf species, then at least they could work out in the 29G so then you would only have two BIG fish in the 55G.. still a long term problem. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Identification Hello all, I am new to the group here and was looking for someone who can help me identify the species of fish I have. I have had "Bubba" for approximately 10 years, after my mother bought him at the LFS being told that he was not an aggressive species. She put him in her 55g community tank and he ate all the smaller fish, so she asked me if I wanted him. I took him and absolutely love him; he has quite a personality and will actually try to "kiss" you through the glass on his tank.....I really think he's trying to attack me when I kiss the side of the tank but it's more fun to say it's kisses lol. Mom was told that he is a Blood Red Parrot, but he doesn't really resemble any of the other fish I have seen of this species. He is approximately 8" long from lips to tail and approximately 5-6" tall from dorsal fin to pec fin. I have been feeding him bloodworms, cichlid pellets, frozen beef heart, the occasional small earthworm from my organic flower beds, and small guppies. He currently lives in a 29g tank with a bala shark, 2 plecos, a tiger barb and about 12 guppies. I will be upgrading soon to a 55g tank. I posted a pic of Bubba on the Members' AquaticLife photo album. Can anyone help me identify what species he is? Thanks in advance.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36498	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

All my fish are turning black with pentagrams on the side of them.....maybe i shouldnt let them listen to Slayer.... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1869 > > You just knew this was going to come up some day... they've been claiming > this for unborn babies for years.... and the world was introduced to Rap > music instead. Now who remembers the Sugarhill Gang? "I said a hip, hop a > hibby..." LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36499	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I found the website for the R2 Fish School kit in case anyone is interested: http://www.r2fishschool.com/ DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> I don't know about the veggie question, but have you seen the R2 Fish School video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Iznh9VbsY&NR=1 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36500	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

I will look into the dyi stand. also i was looking in some German rams.. the other day i went to pet supermarket and they had one with the feeder guppies..I guess they dint noticed to bad i dint pick it up i;m afraid of pet supermarket fishes are always sick with something. --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My first 55g tank To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:13 AM Good find! Make sure you fill it all the way to check for leaks. The water pressure is doubled when it's full. There are so many options available when stocking a 55G that it would be impossible to know where to start. Do you have at least one fish in mind? If you have one, you can look at the Mongabay profile for suggested companion fish and then look through them to see what you like. Even a 10G tank was a major ordeal in coming up with suitable 10G tank stocking suggestions if you ever look over the article on my blog. I couldn't fathom trying to come up with the thousands of combinations available for a 55G tank. You can use the design of my DIY tank stand that I built for my 65G tank to make your own stand for under $20.00 if you want to keep things on a budget and have more money for your fish. ;-) As far as the Ich with the clown loaches issue, I don't think that was me that was helping you with that.... probably Ray or \\Steve//. You might want to find your old thread on that issue and post an update to the thread so the health experts can review everything that you've done so far so they can advise you better. I'm not sure that just raising the temp for four days would do the trick though. It usually takes longer than that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] My first 55g tank Hey guys I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea for me in my new set up. This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown loaches. got Any other ideas? i tried melachine green also did not work. tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36501	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...

Lenny   I been runing my 40g tank without carbon filter... how long can a tank last or be without carbon filtration? --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:15 AM I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36502	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...

Lenny, I couldn't find any Dr. Tim's in the area or I would have bought it.. On the SafeStart it says to remove the carbon, but, I can't really see any reason to.. Jim In a message dated 1/26/2009 8:15:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36503	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

A daily dose of Jars of Clay should cure that. If they develop glowing orbs of light above their heads, don't worry. It's just a harmless side effect. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> All my fish are turning black with pentagrams on the side of them.....maybe i shouldnt let them listen to Slayer....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

Be careful what you find on YouTube... while some things are legit, many are not... especially when it comes to what politicians might say. ;-) Here's one goldfish trick video that made the forum circuit a few years back which is completely BOGUS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjnUiyf5YJU&feature=related Certainly, Pavlovian methods can likely be used to train goldfish and other "smart" fish and to get a goldfish to push a ball around would simply take poking some holes in the ball and putting food in the ball and the goldfish would start pushing it around... actually trying to get to the food. Then, each time it eventually pushes the ball into a goal, you reward the fish with food and it would eventually "learn" that when it pushes the ball in the goal, it gets food. It's the same as training mice to go through a maze to get to the food... a common school science fair project when I was a kid. In this vid promoting the fish-school.com site, at least they show the feeding after each successful "trick". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5H_ChG5Rbw&NR=1 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions I don't know about the veggie question, but have you seen the R2 Fish School video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Iznh9VbsY&NR=1 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they know. What do the rest of you think? Deb P.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36505	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: BigPoppa's question about carbon (was - 72 gal. bow front set up

Forever. I don't use carbon or any other chemical filtration, except in my goldfish tank since they are such big fish so I use Purigen to help keep the DOC's down in between my weekly PWC's and tank maintenance. The only time that carbon or other chemical filtration is really needed is to remove a contamination, medication, etc... or in the case of overstocked tanks where it can help keep the water quality a little better... but for properly stocked tanks that are getting their normal tank/filter maintenance, carbon isn't really needed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... Lenny   I been runing my 40g tank without carbon filter... how long can a tank last or be without carbon filtration? --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:15 AM I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36506	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...

Yeah... nothing on http://www.DrTimsAquatics.com instructions for One And Only says anything about removing carbon, so I'm not sure why Tetra has it on their SafeStart product... it's supposed to be a copy-cat of Dr. Tim's since Tetra bought out Marineland but who knows what Tetra might have done to their updated version of Bio-Spira, that they now call SafeStart. I guess you should follow their instructions if you want any recourse if it doesn't work as advertised. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... Lenny, I couldn't find any Dr. Tim's in the area or I would have bought it.. On the SafeStart it says to remove the carbon, but, I can't really see any reason to.. Jim In a message dated 1/26/2009 8:15:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister filter before I add it. Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36507	From: Mark Hough	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

mix in some Cradle of Filth and Corrosion of Conformity and they may start doing all kinds of wild stuff... On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM, turbocoupe76 <turbocoupe76@...>wrote: > All my fish are turning black with pentagrams on the side of > them.....maybe i shouldnt let them listen to Slayer.... > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny > V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1869 > > > > You just knew this was going to come up some day... they've been > claiming > > this for unborn babies for years.... and the world was introduced > to Rap > > music instead. Now who remembers the Sugarhill Gang? "I said a > hip, hop a > > hibby..." LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > -- http://www.myspace.com/mhough6229 Mark Hough I'm an agnostic, dyslectic insomniac. I lay awake at night wondering if there really is a doG. I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36508	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

Harmless, true, but permanent transformation is no side-effect. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > A daily dose of Jars of Clay should cure that. If they develop glowing > orbs of light above their heads, don't worry. It's just a harmless side > effect. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> > > All my fish are turning black with pentagrams on the side of > them.....maybe i shouldnt let them listen to Slayer.... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36509	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

LOL! Maybe I should have said side benefit? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "eclampe" <lampehome@...> Harmless, true, but permanent transformation is no side-effect. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > A daily dose of Jars of Clay should cure that. If they develop glowing > orbs of light above their heads, don't worry. It's just a harmless side > effect. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> > > All my fish are turning black with pentagrams on the side of > them.....maybe i shouldnt let them listen to Slayer.... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36510	From: eclampe	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

Fish can certainly be trained, like other aniimals through conditioning. But there are also instances of fish learning on their own, even simple forms of communication. For instance, a goldfish may swim toward its owner and follow him as he walks through the room, but will not follow anyone else. The fish may swim up and down, signaling the owner to turn on its aquarium light when it is off, and it will skim the surface until its owner feeds it. I once had an Oscar that exhibited all of these behaviors. I think we were friends. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Be careful what you find on YouTube... while some things are legit, many are > not... especially when it comes to what politicians might say. ;-) > > Here's one goldfish trick video that made the forum circuit a few years back > which is completely BOGUS. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjnUiyf5YJU&feature=related > > Certainly, Pavlovian methods can likely be used to train goldfish and other > "smart" fish and to get a goldfish to push a ball around would simply take > poking some holes in the ball and putting food in the ball and the goldfish > would start pushing it around... actually trying to get to the food. Then, > each time it eventually pushes the ball into a goal, you reward the fish > with food and it would eventually "learn" that when it pushes the ball in > the goal, it gets food. It's the same as training mice to go through a maze > to get to the food... a common school science fair project when I was a kid. > > In this vid promoting the fish-school.com site, at least they show the > feeding after each successful "trick". > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5H_ChG5Rbw&NR=1 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] goldfish questions > > I don't know about the veggie question, but have you seen the R2 Fish > School video? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Iznh9VbsY&NR=1 > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Penna-Fredericks" <pennafd@...> > > > I have wondered about giving my goldfish fresh veggies that have started to > decay? For example, she loves spinach and I have some in the fridge right > now that is starting to look like it needs to go into the the compost bin. > Would it be okay to give it to her if it is just starting to turn? I know > some fish actually like to munch on plants that are decaying, but I am not > sure about goldfish. I don't want her to get sick. > > Second question is as follows. When reading the article Lenny linked us to > about the death of the 43 year old fish, I read about the comment that one > of the owners made regarding goldfish memory. I agree with the owner. I > think my goldfish has more than a three second memory, as well. All of my > goldfish seem to have recognized me, my cats, and my husband. They also seem > > to have recognized when certain activities meant meal time or cleaning time > and responded with similar actions each time. That sort of behavior displays > > long term memory, not just short term memory and makes me think > neuroscientists might not know as much about fish brains as they think they > know. What do the rest of you think? > > Deb P. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36511	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I'm impressed by the video tricks, if not the goldfish tricks in your link. Your second link took me to the same video again. The R2 Fish School fish have appeared live on several TV shows. The guy who developed it has posted some instructional videos also: http://www.youtube.com/user/deanpomerleau DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Be careful what you find on YouTube... while some things are legit, many are not... especially when it comes to what politicians might say. ;-) Here's one goldfish trick video that made the forum circuit a few years back which is completely BOGUS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjnUiyf5YJU&feature=related Certainly, Pavlovian methods can likely be used to train goldfish and other "smart" fish and to get a goldfish to push a ball around would simply take poking some holes in the ball and putting food in the ball and the goldfish would start pushing it around... actually trying to get to the food. Then, each time it eventually pushes the ball into a goal, you reward the fish with food and it would eventually "learn" that when it pushes the ball in the goal, it gets food. It's the same as training mice to go through a maze to get to the food... a common school science fair project when I was a kid. In this vid promoting the fish-school.com site, at least they show the feeding after each successful "trick". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5H_ChG5Rbw&NR=1 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36512	From: jett07002	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back if not satisfied" statement. Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. LOL, in short, do not waste your money. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36513	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

I should pull out my old John Denver albums and see what that does. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1869 You just knew this was going to come up some day... they've been claiming this for unborn babies for years.... and the world was introduced to Rap music instead. Now who remembers the Sugarhill Gang? "I said a hip, hop a hibby..." LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36514	From: Rich	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: New to the group...

Hello, I am new to the group. I just started my first Saltwater Aquarium before Christmas and have been learning a lot. So far I have a bunch of live rock, a false percula, a blue with yellow tail damsel, and three corals... It has been a busy month. So I have spent many hours scouring the internet for info when I need it and thought that this group might be a good source of information. I thought I killed my Green Star Polyp last week but figured out that I just needed to clean it with a powerhead... It looks great now. Anyway, I am interested in learning more about maintenance like partial water replacements and additives to keep my tank healthy. The tank is a nice little 24 gallon nano cube. Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36515	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

I don't even know where I would store it. The bowl is 4" across and the total length is almost 17". I just thought it was fascinating. I can see where a clear container might be less intimidating to the fish, but they added a green tint. There are a couple of good comments about it on the PetSmart website. It looks kind of like a snarfblatt to me. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jett07002" <jett07002@...> I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back if not satisfied" statement. Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. LOL, in short, do not waste your money. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > I found this while toodling around looking at fish stuff: > http://www.novalek.com/kordon/fish_catcher/index.htm > > It seems like it would be good for catching small fish without actually taking them out of water. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36516	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > Hey guys > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea > for me in my new set up. > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > loaches. > > got Any other ideas? > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36517	From: biG poppa	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > Hey guys > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea > for me in my new set up. > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > loaches. > > got Any other ideas? > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36518	From: Debra	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker

I would think it would kill the fish faster than dumping ammonia in your tank! Deb : ) OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:22:26 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Listening to Mozart makes fish grow quicker I should pull out my old John Denver albums and see what that does. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1869 You just knew this was going to come up some day... they've been claiming this for unborn babies for years.... and the world was introduced to Rap music instead. Now who remembers the Sugarhill Gang? "I said a hip, hop a hibby..." LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36519	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase.org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36521	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

im curious what tank sizes this would work for. Ill have to read the article. wish i could now. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > "...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a dish of > water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow for two days > and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic matter introduced > will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and make the water ready for > introducing fish. The bacteria introduced will include bacteria that oxidize > ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly speeding the cycling of the tank...." > > Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to the full > article), as this snippet came from an article I was just reading about > using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the author then segued > into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to speed up the cycling process. > I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the > nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't get > where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". > > BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36522	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches

Well now I know how to pronounce the word at least ;) I'm a little frustrated with the weather this week, it rained all last week and starting today it starts to snow again, and my loaches are on their way today *sigh* I really hope the weather lets up so the planes start landing by tomorrow. I'm a bit worried now, grr, darn mother nature! LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Killjoy! ;-) > > But if you look at my last name, you'll see, Ich bin Deutsch ("I am > German"... note that Ich is "I", not a fish disease.. lol)... well, > actually > my great, great grandfather was... but I took a couple of years of German > back in high school and still remember some of it, but it was more fun to > speculate on "Americanized" pronunciations. ;-) > > Auf Wiedersehen und Guten Tag (Goodbye and Good Day)! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Deenerz@... <mailto:Deenerz%40aol.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:53 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Aufwuchs Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > I believe it is German. > > I am terrible at this but will try. > > It is Not pronounced like "Awe" more like Oufwooks. > > The "ou" as in "Ouch" Fwooks > > I first heard of it at a talk presented by Ad Konings at the PCCA. He > mentions them in his books on feeding habits of some cichlid fishes. > > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs_ > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs_> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufwuchs>) > > -Mike > > > In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:19:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pennafd@... <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> writes: > > Ya gotta wonder who gave them that name?! > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > wrote: > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > plate > > of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize > > they left their keys in the car... lol) > > _http://www.plecofan_ <http://www.plecofan_> (http://www.plecofan/ > <http://www.plecofan/>) atics.com/ articles/ > showentry. php?e=87& catid=1 > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistru s group and derivatives > > (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting > > consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is > > represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet > > rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with > > other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and > so, > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding trick > that > > may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to > > paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let > > them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for > > biofilm." > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36523	From: caroline	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 43 year old goldfish

yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...........I am going to include my fishes in my will.... you never know..........caroline At 09:27 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote: >Lenny, you are gonna hate the tank this goldfish lives in! But these >people must be doing something right. The fish is 43 years old. > >Deb P > ><http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o8bl9ek/M=493064.12016283.12445687.8674578/D=groups/S=1705042752:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1232954832/L=/B=KU79G0PDhEE-/J=1232947632741061/A=5202322/R=0/SIG=11aijbghb/*http://new.groups.yahoo.com/allbrangroup>w/ >John McEnroe > >Join the All-Bran > >Day 10 Club. >. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36524	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Inherited Dirty Tank

Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the tank and just starting the tank fresh?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36525	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac to clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just refill it and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it fairly clean and if there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If it's new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help cycle it so you don't get ammonia issues right away. I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, not to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help with my 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, which I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel (and that's a good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria in it and you don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep cleaning on the gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would just gravel clean it until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. AMber David Keymel wrote: > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the > tank and just starting the tank fresh? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL If they looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then they could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun place for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can have a big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the water quality better. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac to > clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just refill it > and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it fairly clean and if > there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If it's > new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help cycle it so > you don't get ammonia issues right away. > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, not > to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help with my > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, which > I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel (and that's a > good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria in it and you > don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep cleaning on the > gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would just gravel clean it > until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. > > AMber > > David Keymel wrote: > > > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in > > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so > > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of > > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it > > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small > > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how > > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the > > tank and just starting the tank fresh? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

Since the fish were still alive it would have been better to leave them in that tank and slowly start cleaning the gravel and adding water every hour, then they would have gradually adapted to cleaner water instead of getting shocked if thrown into a clean tank. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL > If they looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then > they could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, > hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. > Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun place > for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can have a > big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. > Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the water > quality better. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac to > > clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just refill it > > and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it fairly clean and if > > there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. > > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If it's > > new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help cycle it so > > you don't get ammonia issues right away. > > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, not > > to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help with my > > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, which > > I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel (and that's a > > good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria in it and you > > don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep cleaning on the > > gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would just gravel clean it > > until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. > > > > AMber > > > > David Keymel wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in > > > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so > > > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of > > > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it > > > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. > > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small > > > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how > > > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the > > > tank and just starting the tank fresh? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36528	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

the fish have been happily living in the "new home" but established tank for a few weeks now. everyone seems really happy from what i can tell. I think hes having trouble with the pythons suction power. its rather weak i don think the tank is high enough off the floor. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > Since the fish were still alive it would have been better to leave them > in that tank and slowly start cleaning the gravel and adding water every > hour, then they would have gradually adapted to cleaner water instead of > getting shocked if thrown into a clean tank. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL >> If they looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then >> they could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, >> hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. >> Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun place >> for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can have a >> big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. >> Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the water >> quality better. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> > >> > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac to >> > clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just refill it >> > and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it fairly clean and if >> > there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. >> > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If it's >> > new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help cycle it so >> > you don't get ammonia issues right away. >> > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, not >> > to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help with my >> > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, which >> > I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel (and that's a >> > good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria in it and you >> > don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep cleaning on the >> > gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would just gravel clean it >> > until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. >> > >> > AMber >> > >> > David Keymel wrote: >> > > >> > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in >> > > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so >> > > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of >> > > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it >> > > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. >> > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small >> > > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how >> > > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the >> > > tank and just starting the tank fresh? >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36529	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: New to the group...

Hi Rich and welcome to the group, Although we have a couple of thousand members, we do not have a lot of active saltwater members but we're always looking for more saltwater members to help each other and also to help us freshwater keepers maybe learn about saltwater tanks and make the venture one day. I hope one of the members who is a saltwater tank keeper sees your message and replies but if they don't, please stick around here as well as any other forum/group you may join to help us build up our more active saltwater membership. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New to the group... Hello, I am new to the group. I just started my first Saltwater Aquarium before Christmas and have been learning a lot. So far I have a bunch of live rock, a false percula, a blue with yellow tail damsel, and three corals... It has been a busy month. So I have spent many hours scouring the internet for info when I need it and thought that this group might be a good source of information. I thought I killed my Green Star Polyp last week but figured out that I just needed to clean it with a powerhead... It looks great now. Anyway, I am interested in learning more about maintenance like partial water replacements and additives to keep my tank healthy. The tank is a nice little 24 gallon nano cube. Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

Well, if the glass has a lot of build-up and hard water deposits on it, then it might be best to completely break it down so the tank can be laid on the four sides to soak the glass in vinegar to break down the hard water build-up... but if the glass is OK and just the gravel is dirty, then I would just vacuum the gravel many times while doing PWC's until the water coming up from the gravel is clean. The other option is if he wants to power clean the gravel, then he also siphon the tank till it's only got an inch or two of water in it and then use a hose with a sprayer and put the nozzle under the water and then start spraying the gravel to blast some of the buildup off the gravel. This introduction of tap water will also likely kill any other good bacteria that might still be alive in the gravel so this should also be a consideration. I hope he slowly acclimated the fish to clean water. I would have probably left them in their old tank and then slowly added fresh dechlored water to their existing water giving them a chance to get used to the cleaner water as it slowly diluted the dirty water. Fish actually acclimate to nasty water over a long period of time as it degrades so they need to be acclimated back to fresh clean water slowly or it could put them into osmotic or pH shock depending on the differences in water chemistry... which usually will be quite a lot. Considering all the free tanks going around right now, it looks like Santa is just running a month late this year for fishkeepers... or maybe they all got new BIG tanks for Christmas and are recycling their old ones. I'll have to be on the lookout next year around this time. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the tank and just starting the tank fresh?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36531	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

There could also be some debris stuck inside the Python. Usually running water through the Python will clear out debris but occasional, the faucet pump has to be taken apart to remove debris. Have him check that to make sure it's not the problem. I've used my Python on tanks sitting on the floor and as long as my cold water was flowing full stream out the faucet, I had plenty of suction. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank the fish have been happily living in the "new home" but established tank for a few weeks now. everyone seems really happy from what i can tell. I think hes having trouble with the pythons suction power. its rather weak i don think the tank is high enough off the floor. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > Since the fish were still alive it would have been better to leave > them in that tank and slowly start cleaning the gravel and adding > water every hour, then they would have gradually adapted to cleaner > water instead of getting shocked if thrown into a clean tank. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL If they >> looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then they >> could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, >> hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. >> Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun >> place for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can >> have a big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. >> Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the >> water quality better. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> > >> > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac >> > to clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just >> > refill it and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it >> > fairly clean and if there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. >> > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If >> > it's new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help >> > cycle it so you don't get ammonia issues right away. >> > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, >> > not to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help >> > with my >> > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, >> > which I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel >> > (and that's a good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria >> > in it and you don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep >> > cleaning on the gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would >> > just gravel clean it until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. >> > >> > AMber >> > >> > David Keymel wrote: >> > > >> > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish >> > > in it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned >> > > it...ever, so over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel >> > > collected a lot of nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my >> > > buds house, and set it up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. >> > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of >> > > small tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the >> > > question is, how can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he >> > > stuck draining the tank and just starting the tank fresh?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36532	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 72 gal. bow front set up...

The only time you need to have carbon filtration is to remove medication from your tank water, and for a few other instances, such as tannin removal. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > biG poppa > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... > > Lenny > > I been runing my 40g tank without carbon filter... how long can a tank last or be without > carbon filtration? > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:15 AM > > > > > > > I don't think so but look at the directions. If the "SafeStart" is Tetra's > wannabe answer to Dr. Tim's One And Only, then carbon should not affect it. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Jim Pat. > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] 72 gal. bow front set up... > > I set up the tank yesterday and the water temp. is at 78. Now, I want to > add the "SafeStart" today. Do I have to remove the carbon from the canister > filter before I add it. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36533	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most of these Cichlids having latin names. thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36534	From: gail	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: shipping & fish??

I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that have been shipped. Thanks! Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36535	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

When I use my python upstairs for the tank downstairs I have to use both hot and cold water at full pressure to get the python to have enough suction to suck the water upstairs. Have him try using more water to see if that helps the suction (if he has a python that hooks up to the faucet). If he just has one with a hose and a tube for suction then he might have to manually prime the hose (suck on it, like cheech and chong when they were stealing gas ;) LOL). My manual gravel vac no longer self primes (the little plastic piece that should move to the side to help with the suction when you "plunge" the gravel vac up and down into the water to get it to start a suction, so I now have to suck on it to get it started, which works just fine as long as I pay attention to where the water is and don't drink it, LOL). Amber David Keymel wrote: > > the fish have been happily living in the "new home" but established > tank for a few weeks now. everyone seems really happy from what i can > tell. I think hes having trouble with the pythons suction power. its > rather weak i don think the tank is high enough off the floor. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Since the fish were still alive it would have been better to leave them > > in that tank and slowly start cleaning the gravel and adding water every > > hour, then they would have gradually adapted to cleaner water instead of > > getting shocked if thrown into a clean tank. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > >> I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL > >> If they looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then > >> they could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, > >> hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. > >> Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun > place > >> for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can have a > >> big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. > >> Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the water > >> quality better. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > >> > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel > vac to > >> > clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just > refill it > >> > and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it fairly clean > and if > >> > there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and > refill it. > >> > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If > it's > >> > new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help cycle it so > >> > you don't get ammonia issues right away. > >> > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump > out, not > >> > to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help with my > >> > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, > which > >> > I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel (and > that's a > >> > good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria in it and you > >> > don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep cleaning on the > >> > gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would just gravel > clean it > >> > until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. > >> > > >> > AMber > >> > > >> > David Keymel wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in > >> > > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so > >> > > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a > lot of > >> > > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it > >> > > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had > setup. > >> > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch > of small > >> > > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question > is, how > >> > > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the > >> > > tank and just starting the tank fresh? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36536	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

ok my answer here will make more than a couple Sphincters pucker, but- bleach it. do a mild bleach solution, might not get rid of chemicals that might have been in the tank, but it will take care of soap or any critter residue and/or diseases. leave it sit with the solution in it for a few days, rinse it well and chlorine remover takes care of any residue that may be left behind. been doing it for years, im the queen of used fish tanks and I bleach every one. bleach evaporates fairly fast and, like I said, the chlorine remover takes care of any left behind.regular bleach though not scented or anything extra in it erika wilmington de usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@> > wrote: > > > > Hey guys > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > home. > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > of > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. > so > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > idea > > for me in my new set up. > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > tank > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > loaches. > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36537	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

I will let you know as soon as I get my fish tomorrow night Gail LOL. I have some that were shipped this morning and should be here tomorrow night. Amber gail wrote: > > I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry > about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I > worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. > Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that > have been shipped. > Thanks! > > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36538	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: upside down goldfish story

I remember the thread about our group members' upside down goldfish and I thought everyone who contributed, especially our member with the upside down fish, might appreciate the article from the link below. Maybe your fish will be okay after all if you make sure she doesn't have a bacterial problem (or get rid of it if she does). Deb P. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2517786/Goldfish-that-swims-upside-down.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36539	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

Lenny, He does not say what kind of dog or cat food is used. There are all kinds of food, and the ingredients vary widely. The brand that the author of this piece uses may work for him, at least until they change the formula to be able to make it less expensively. If you go to the PetsMart site, you can look at the ingredients listing of various dog foods, and you'll see what I mean. As for the heavy metal part, I am quite skeptical. First, how are they measured before and after? What is in the food or soil, that would cause the heavy metals to bind to it rather than remain in the water column? I am going to send the link to a friend of mine to see what she has to say abut it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method??? > > "...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a dish of > water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow for two days > and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic matter introduced > will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and make the water ready for > introducing fish. The bacteria introduced will include bacteria that oxidize > ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly speeding the cycling of the tank...." > > Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to the full > article), as this snippet came from an article I was just reading about > using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the author then segued > into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to speed up the cycling process. > I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the > nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't get > where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". > > BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36540	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

Yes, but it's important to learn their latin names (for cichlids, catfish, etc... even to know the latin names of our most common fish) as common names are so often used for multiple fish species so you can never fully rely on a common name to really know what you are buying. Of course, having at least a common name will at least give you a head start on finding the real species since you would only have to look at a half dozen or so fish profiles to find your fish. With my fish and plants, once I find good profiles on them, I save them in my favorites folder>Aquarium>My Fish or another folder for My Fish so I don't have to rely on memory for all them long latin names. ;-) If you insist on perusing more cichlid profiles, you can also check out http://cichlid-forums.com/profiles/ and check through their database of over 1,500 profiles, but it's not going to be as thorough as Fishbase.org's database. In either case, I strongly suggest you take several pictures as that will be your best bet at identifying it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most of these Cichlids having latin names. thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36541	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: friends for my betta

so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp and a bunch of plants right? erika wilmington de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

It depends so much on the shipper and then if there are any flight delays or if the flight is unable to land at your nearby airport. Nearly all fish that are sold at local stores are shipped to them and there are countless good online sellers, both retailers and Aquabid.com'ers (like the eBay for fish stuff) and also eBay'ers that sell live fish, who ship thousands of fish every day and most of them make it with no problems... but you need to check out the seller to make sure they are experienced. I'm fortunate to have a good LFS and even a decent PetsMart nearby me so I've only had a few fish/critter packages shipped to me and so far, all have arrived alive and 99% made it completely, although I did lose a baby Bristle Nosed Pleco last year that only lived for three days after I got him. I think he was still too small/young (only about 1/2" body) to be shipped but the shipper threw him in for free with my Cherry Shrimp order.. probably due to the shipper being overstocked with these BN Pleco's so they were shipping them out prematurely. I hope other buyers that got these freebies were able to save theirs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] shipping & fish?? I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that have been shipped. Thanks! Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36543	From: Darlene	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: type of fish

i was at big als the other day (yes we have one in canada, 45 minutes from my home) and they had this fresh water fish that looked like a pencil, i forget the name now but i am thinking of getting one they stay pencil thin and grow about 6 inches long Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36544	From: pam andress	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

Shipping at this time of the year isn't too bad. It is just iffy if it below zero. If you do get fish ordered, just make sure that they use insulated boxes and heat packs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: clandestine662002@...: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:43:03 -0800Subject: [AquaticLife] shipping & fish?? I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that have been shipped. Thanks! Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36545	From: Darlene	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

i was at big als the other day (yes we have one in canada, 45 minutes from my home) and they had this fresh water fish that looked like a pencil, i forget the name now but i am thinking of getting one they stay pencil thin and grow about 6 inches long forgot to add that it is of the algae eater family Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36546	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

You should have reminded Gail that you're on a tropical island... in Alaska... so your climate may be worst than Utah's right now. Down here in N'Awlins, I had to wear a windbreaker today, over my short sleeve shirt, but I was still able to wear shorts so the frigid 60's weren't too bad although in the shade it was down in the 50's. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] shipping & fish?? I will let you know as soon as I get my fish tomorrow night Gail LOL. I have some that were shipped this morning and should be here tomorrow night. Amber gail wrote: > > I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry > about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I > worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. > Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that > have been shipped. > Thanks! > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36547	From: Debra	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta

Erica: I put one of my Betta's in my shrimp tank and he ate most of them before I realized what was going on. Might want to rethink your plan. Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "erikaandnewton" <emcisme@...> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:35:19 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp and a bunch of plants right? erika wilmington de usa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36548	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

I think this coming weekend, I'm going to try this method, using some common dirt from my yard and a couple of chunks of Beneful that I feed my dog, wait a couple of days and then add the mix to a test container and then add 4-5ppm of ammonia and see how it actually does on fishless cycling that first dose of ammonia. Now I just have to remember to do it so I'm moving a copy of this email to my task list and calendar..LOL I'm wondering if there are as many nitrifying bacteria and other flora/fauna type bacteria in the soil during the winter, compared to spring/summer temps? That's something for your friend to ponder also. There sure are a lot of variables, so for me, using plain ammonia still seems to be the best method so at least you have a scientific baseline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method??? Lenny, He does not say what kind of dog or cat food is used. There are all kinds of food, and the ingredients vary widely. The brand that the author of this piece uses may work for him, at least until they change the formula to be able to make it less expensively. If you go to the PetsMart site, you can look at the ingredients listing of various dog foods, and you'll see what I mean. As for the heavy metal part, I am quite skeptical. First, how are they measured before and after? What is in the food or soil, that would cause the heavy metals to bind to it rather than remain in the water column? I am going to send the link to a friend of mine to see what she has to say abut it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method??? > > "...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a > dish of water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow > for two days and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic > matter introduced will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and > make the water ready for introducing fish. The bacteria introduced > will include bacteria that oxidize ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly speeding the cycling of the tank...." > > Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to > the full article), as this snippet came from an article I was just > reading about using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the > author then segued into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to speed up the cycling process. > I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the > nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't > get where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". > > BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method. > html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta

Yes... although he might also find the shrimp tasty so provide a shrimp cave for them to hide out in, especially when they are molting. A piece of clay pot sitting on it's side, on the gravel, so there is only a slight curved opening for the shrimp will work. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp and a bunch of plants right? erika wilmington de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36550	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

They actually have fish called Pencil fish but it could also be a pike or gar or who-knows-what. Big Al's is a reputable store so they should have the common and latin name on their tanks. Find out and read up more on the fish before buying it. Mongabay.com is a reliable place to find a good profile/care sheet on fish so you will know their preferred water parameters, tank size, suggested companion fish, feeding needs, etc. Often times, these types of fish are carnivorous predators so you definitely need to do some research of he could end up eating all your other fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] type of fish i was at big als the other day (yes we have one in canada, 45 minutes from my home) and they had this fresh water fish that looked like a pencil, i forget the name now but i am thinking of getting one they stay pencil thin and grow about 6 inches long Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36551	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

Actually I think our temps are about the same right now, it's supposed to be 33 tonight and raining ;) It might be a little cooler in Utah actually. It's usually not much colder than the 'teens here and that's very very rare, most of the winter it's in the 20-40 range. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You should have reminded Gail that you're on a tropical island... in > Alaska... so your climate may be worst than Utah's right now. Down here in > N'Awlins, I had to wear a windbreaker today, over my short sleeve > shirt, but > I was still able to wear shorts so the frigid 60's weren't too bad > although > in the shade it was down in the 50's. :-P > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] shipping & fish?? > > I will let you know as soon as I get my fish tomorrow night Gail LOL. > I have some that were shipped this morning and should be here tomorrow > night. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry > > about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I > > worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or > lower. > > Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that > > have been shipped. > > Thanks! > > > > Gail > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36552	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

Well I can say that dirt (especially organic dirt such as black gold) already has bacteria in it that will convert ammonia or nitrites, according to the Diana Walstad technique using certain kinds of organic dirts will cycle your tank immediately too. So perhaps they just used a good kind of dirt and the dog food just fed the bacteria before they added it to a tank? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I think this coming weekend, I'm going to try this method, using some > common > dirt from my yard and a couple of chunks of Beneful that I feed my > dog, wait > a couple of days and then add the mix to a test container and then add > 4-5ppm of ammonia and see how it actually does on fishless cycling that > first dose of ammonia. Now I just have to remember to do it so I'm > moving a > copy of this email to my task list and calendar..LOL > > I'm wondering if there are as many nitrifying bacteria and other > flora/fauna > type bacteria in the soil during the winter, compared to spring/summer > temps? That's something for your friend to ponder also. There sure are a > lot of variables, so for me, using plain ammonia still seems to be the > best > method so at least you have a scientific baseline. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" > method??? > > Lenny, > > He does not say what kind of dog or cat food is used. There are all > kinds of > food, and the ingredients vary widely. The brand that the author of this > piece uses may work for him, at least until they change the formula to be > able to make it less expensively. If you go to the PetsMart site, you can > look at the ingredients listing of various dog foods, and you'll see > what I > mean. > > As for the heavy metal part, I am quite skeptical. First, how are they > measured before and after? What is in the food or soil, that would > cause the > heavy metals to bind to it rather than remain in the water column? > > I am going to send the link to a friend of mine to see what she has to say > abut it. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:47 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" > method??? > > > > "...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a > > dish of water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow > > for two days and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic > > matter introduced will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and > > make the water ready for introducing fish. The bacteria introduced > > will include bacteria that oxidize ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly > speeding the cycling of the tank...." > > > > Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to > > the full article), as this snippet came from an article I was just > > reading about using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the > > author then segued into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to > speed up > the cycling process. > > I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the > > nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't > > get where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". > > > > BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... > > > http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method. > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/algae/49383-bleach-method.> > > html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36553	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Which album is yours? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the bigger tank though. He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36554	From: William	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification

After seeing the picture It does look like a parrot cichlid that is changing colors. The shape is right and colors are something that are variable. It is a hybrid of different cichlids, some say that it is a cross between a gold severum and a red devil cichlid. Red devil cichlids are variable in color also, I have seen them in striped like convicts to all red or yellow as well as blotched like your fish. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Shannon" <kiva_wolf@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > I am new to the group here and was looking for someone who can help me > identify the species of fish I have. I have had "Bubba" for > approximately 10 years, after my mother bought him at the LFS being > told that he was not an aggressive species. She put him in her 55g > community tank and he ate all the smaller fish, so she asked me if I > wanted him. I took him and absolutely love him; he has quite a > personality and will actually try to "kiss" you through the glass on > his tank.....I really think he's trying to attack me when I kiss the > side of the tank but it's more fun to say it's kisses lol. > > Mom was told that he is a Blood Red Parrot, but he doesn't really > resemble any of the other fish I have seen of this species. He is > approximately 8" long from lips to tail and approximately 5-6" tall > from dorsal fin to pec fin. I have been feeding him bloodworms, cichlid > pellets, frozen beef heart, the occasional small earthworm from my > organic flower beds, and small guppies. He currently lives in a 29g > tank with a bala shark, 2 plecos, a tiger barb and about 12 guppies. I > will be upgrading soon to a 55g tank. > > I posted a pic of Bubba on the Members' AquaticLife photo album. Can > anyone help me identify what species he is? Thanks in advance. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36555	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

Fish do not have Latin names. They have common names and they have scientific names. Scientific names may use Latin as a base, or they may use Greek. They may even be made up to look like a Latin or Greek based word. They may be patronyms, meaning they are named after a person, like _Benitochromis finleyi_ named after Lee Finley, a well known aquarist, or _Tropheus brichardi_ named after Pierre Brichard who pretty much opened the Rift Lakes to fishkeepers around the world. BTW, that fish kind of meets your description, so you might want to look it up. There is a problem with using common names. A fish may be known by many common names, some of which may be used for other fish. Also, common names get hung on to fish by wholesalers, distributors, retailers and others in the sales chain to help sell the fish. Having said that, even scientists use common names, but they use specific names for specific fish. There is a book of such names published and updated from time to time. Having said that, it would be wise for you (meaning everyone reading this post) to get somewhat comfortable with the scientific names of fish. This way, no one will mistake the fish you are talking about for another. They can be very descriptive of the fish, once you learn what they mean. Descriptions by scientists who name the fish often give the etymology of the name. However, these can be tough to come by for the average person. If you can pick up a copy of the Innes book, _Exotic Aquarium Fishes_ 19th edition, revised or earlier, you can find brief etymologies of fish names, as well as a pronunciation guide. Look for a copy in the used book stores in your area. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. > They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic > soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most > of these Cichlids having latin names. > thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D > -gail > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his > future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you > got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party > didn't know what kind of fish it was. > > There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest > listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far > as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be > busy for a few years looking through profiles. > > Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo > album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > Hi, > I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure > out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid > Species -with pictures? > Or maybe you can identify my new species? > He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a > Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" > big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when > he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. > Any guesses or website recomendations? > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36556	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta

Itd be all right, they're sold as feeders any who. Might explain what happened to the shrimp in my frog tank though (and no it actually wasn't the frogs!). erika wilmington de usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Yes... although he might also find the shrimp tasty so provide a shrimp cave > for them to hide out in, especially when they are molting. A piece of clay > pot sitting on it's side, on the gravel, so there is only a slight curved > opening for the shrimp will work. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of erikaandnewton > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I am > planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, I > should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp and a > bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36557	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method???

You can call your local Botanical Gardens with questions about the soil. They usually have a "plant doctor" available during specific times of the day who can tell you about soil content as well as plants. It may be the case that you want to dig down a little to get the soil, but if I remember correctly, scientists are finding that many bacteria tend to live through a wide variety of temperatures, much more so than was thought in the past. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: I think this coming weekend, I'm going to try this method, using some common dirt from my yard and a couple of chunks of Beneful that I feed my dog, wait a couple of days and then add the mix to a test container and then add 4-5ppm of ammonia and see how it actually does on fishless cycling that first dose of ammonia. Now I just have to remember to do it so I'm moving a copy of this email to my task list and calendar..LOL I'm wondering if there are as many nitrifying bacteria and other flora/fauna type bacteria in the soil during the winter, compared to spring/summer temps? That's something for your friend to ponder also. There sure are a lot of variables, so for me, using plain ammonia still seems to be the best method so at least you have a scientific baseline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:30 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method??? Lenny, He does not say what kind of dog or cat food is used. There are all kinds of food, and the ingredients vary widely. The brand that the author of this piece uses may work for him, at least until they change the formula to be able to make it less expensively. If you go to the PetsMart site, you can look at the ingredients listing of various dog foods, and you'll see what I mean. As for the heavy metal part, I am quite skeptical. First, how are they measured before and after? What is in the food or soil, that would cause the heavy metals to bind to it rather than remain in the water column? I am going to send the link to a friend of mine to see what she has to say abut it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Anybody heard of this "fishless cycling" method??? > > "...If you put a couple of pieces of dry dog food or cat food in a > dish of water that also has a spoon full of soil and let bacteria grow > for two days and then pour the contents into the aquarium the organic > matter introduced will.... , tie up heavy metals in the water, and > make the water ready for introducing fish. The bacteria introduced > will include bacteria that oxidize ammonia to nitrate, thus greatly speeding the cycling of the tank...." > > Now, disregard the part about neutralizing the bleach (if you go to > the full article), as this snippet came from an article I was just > reading about using bleach to sanitize hair algae on plants but the > author then segued into this snip about dog/cat food and dirt to speed up the cycling process. > I can certainly see where some dirt from outside would contain the > nitrifying bacteria and the organic matter helping too, but I don't > get where the dog/cat food will "tie up heavy metals in the water". > > BTW... the snip is from an article/pinned topic on reputable site... > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ algae/49383- bleach-method. > html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification

I don't think the mouth looks anything like a Parrot Cichlid.. unless I'm looking at the image wrong. The mouth looks like a grumpy old man instead of the funny mouth shape that I've seen on Parrot Cichlids. Here's the actual link to the image. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/9250950 01/view Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Identification After seeing the picture It does look like a parrot cichlid that is changing colors. The shape is right and colors are something that are variable. It is a hybrid of different cichlids, some say that it is a cross between a gold severum and a red devil cichlid. Red devil cichlids are variable in color also, I have seen them in striped like convicts to all red or yellow as well as blotched like your fish. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Shannon" <kiva_wolf@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > I am new to the group here and was looking for someone who can help me > identify the species of fish I have. I have had "Bubba" for > approximately 10 years, after my mother bought him at the LFS being > told that he was not an aggressive species. She put him in her 55g > community tank and he ate all the smaller fish, so she asked me if I > wanted him. I took him and absolutely love him; he has quite a > personality and will actually try to "kiss" you through the glass on > his tank.....I really think he's trying to attack me when I kiss the > side of the tank but it's more fun to say it's kisses lol. > > Mom was told that he is a Blood Red Parrot, but he doesn't really > resemble any of the other fish I have seen of this species. He is > approximately 8" long from lips to tail and approximately 5-6" tall > from dorsal fin to pec fin. I have been feeding him bloodworms, cichlid > pellets, frozen beef heart, the occasional small earthworm from my > organic flower beds, and small guppies. He currently lives in a 29g > tank with a bala shark, 2 plecos, a tiger barb and about 12 guppies. I > will be upgrading soon to a 55g tank. > > I posted a pic of Bubba on the Members' AquaticLife photo album. Can > anyone help me identify what species he is? Thanks in advance. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36559	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: shipping & fish??

Show off! My cat and I both have colds from these temp changes in St. Louis. We went from 55 to the teens in two days. Brrrrr Deb P --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: You should have reminded Gail that you're on a tropical island... in Alaska... so your climate may be worst than Utah's right now. Down here in N'Awlins, I had to wear a windbreaker today, over my short sleeve shirt, but I was still able to wear shorts so the frigid 60's weren't too bad although in the shade it was down in the 50's. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:23 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] shipping & fish?? I will let you know as soon as I get my fish tomorrow night Gail LOL. I have some that were shipped this morning and should be here tomorrow night. Amber gail wrote: > > I am so tempted to order a Buffalo head cichlid online, but I worry > about shipping and cold weather etc. Is it pretty safe to ship fish? I > worry because the weather here in Utah has been like 32 degrees or lower. > Can anyone tell me about their experiences with receiving fish that > have been shipped. > Thanks! > > Gail _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36560	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

I'm guilty of referring to the names as Latin instead of scientific also.. since "Latin was the international language of science until around the 17th century"... and Latin is twice as fast to type than scientific. :P I'll try to refer to the names as scientific in the future though! Don't ask where I got that factoid about "Latin was the international language of science until around the 17th century"... Google it! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Fish do not have Latin names. They have common names and they have scientific names. Scientific names may use Latin as a base, or they may use Greek. They may even be made up to look like a Latin or Greek based word. They may be patronyms, meaning they are named after a person, like _Benitochromis finleyi_ named after Lee Finley, a well known aquarist, or _Tropheus brichardi_ named after Pierre Brichard who pretty much opened the Rift Lakes to fishkeepers around the world. BTW, that fish kind of meets your description, so you might want to look it up. There is a problem with using common names. A fish may be known by many common names, some of which may be used for other fish. Also, common names get hung on to fish by wholesalers, distributors, retailers and others in the sales chain to help sell the fish. Having said that, even scientists use common names, but they use specific names for specific fish. There is a book of such names published and updated from time to time. Having said that, it would be wise for you (meaning everyone reading this post) to get somewhat comfortable with the scientific names of fish. This way, no one will mistake the fish you are talking about for another. They can be very descriptive of the fish, once you learn what they mean. Descriptions by scientists who name the fish often give the etymology of the name. However, these can be tough to come by for the average person. If you can pick up a copy of the Innes book, _Exotic Aquarium Fishes_ 19th edition, revised or earlier, you can find brief etymologies of fish names, as well as a pronunciation guide. Look for a copy in the used book stores in your area. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. > They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic > soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most > of these Cichlids having latin names. > thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his > future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you > got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party > didn't know what kind of fish it was. > > There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest > listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far > as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be > busy for a few years looking through profiles. > > Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo > album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > Hi, > I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure > out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid > Species -with pictures? > Or maybe you can identify my new species? > He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a > Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" > big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when > he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. > Any guesses or website recomendations? > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36561	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

Oops.. I meant to add to my last reply.... The downside of scientific names is just when you think you know your fish... they seem to change the scientific names... which is probably why common names came to be used and abused so often. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Fish do not have Latin names. They have common names and they have scientific names. Scientific names may use Latin as a base, or they may use Greek. They may even be made up to look like a Latin or Greek based word. They may be patronyms, meaning they are named after a person, like _Benitochromis finleyi_ named after Lee Finley, a well known aquarist, or _Tropheus brichardi_ named after Pierre Brichard who pretty much opened the Rift Lakes to fishkeepers around the world. BTW, that fish kind of meets your description, so you might want to look it up. There is a problem with using common names. A fish may be known by many common names, some of which may be used for other fish. Also, common names get hung on to fish by wholesalers, distributors, retailers and others in the sales chain to help sell the fish. Having said that, even scientists use common names, but they use specific names for specific fish. There is a book of such names published and updated from time to time. Having said that, it would be wise for you (meaning everyone reading this post) to get somewhat comfortable with the scientific names of fish. This way, no one will mistake the fish you are talking about for another. They can be very descriptive of the fish, once you learn what they mean. Descriptions by scientists who name the fish often give the etymology of the name. However, these can be tough to come by for the average person. If you can pick up a copy of the Innes book, _Exotic Aquarium Fishes_ 19th edition, revised or earlier, you can find brief etymologies of fish names, as well as a pronunciation guide. Look for a copy in the used book stores in your area. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. > They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic > soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most > of these Cichlids having latin names. > thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his > future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you > got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party > didn't know what kind of fish it was. > > There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest > listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far > as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be > busy for a few years looking through profiles. > > Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo > album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website > > Hi, > I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure > out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid > Species -with pictures? > Or maybe you can identify my new species? > He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a > Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" > big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when > he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. > Any guesses or website recomendations? > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36562	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

I have to do this (remove debris from the python) multiple times/water change on the one tank that has snails and hair algae. When I'm not being lazy, I use a plain siphon first to get out the debris and then switch to the python. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank There could also be some debris stuck inside the Python. Usually running water through the Python will clear out debris but occasional, the faucet pump has to be taken apart to remove debris. Have him check that to make sure it's not the problem. I've used my Python on tanks sitting on the floor and as long as my cold water was flowing full stream out the faucet, I had plenty of suction. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:43 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank the fish have been happily living in the "new home" but established tank for a few weeks now. everyone seems really happy from what i can tell. I think hes having trouble with the pythons suction power. its rather weak i don think the tank is high enough off the floor. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> wrote: > Since the fish were still alive it would have been better to leave > them in that tank and slowly start cleaning the gravel and adding > water every hour, then they would have gradually adapted to cleaner > water instead of getting shocked if thrown into a clean tank. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> I suppose I should have asked if the fish were healthy ;) LOL If they >> looked fine even though the tank had never been cleaned then they >> could stress out when you put them into a really clean tank, >> hopefully your friend acclimated them really slowly before adding them. >> Fish will adapt to bad water conditions even though it's not a fun >> place for them to live. So when you put them in a clean tank they can >> have a big shock on their system and sometimes sensitive fish will die. >> Did the tank have any live plants in it? That would have kept the >> water quality better. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> > >> > I don't see any reason why he couldn't use a python or a gravel vac >> > to clean the tank with water in it, when the water gets low just >> > refill it and start gravel cleaning again, this should get it >> > fairly clean and if there's no fish in it it shouldn't matter if you drain it and refill it. >> > Are the fish in another established tank or is it a new setup? If >> > it's new I would put some of the gravel into that tank to help >> > cycle it so you don't get ammonia issues right away. >> > I know that big tanks are not fun to try and tip over and dump out, >> > not to mention that's not always safe. I had to have lots of help >> > with my >> > 125 gallon tank to move it around and get all the sand out of it, >> > which I ended up not reusing. If he's going to reuse the gravel >> > (and that's a good idea since I'm sure it already has good bacteria >> > in it and you don't want to kill off that bacteria by doing a deep >> > cleaning on the gravel with bleach or anything like that), I would >> > just gravel clean it until no more detritus comes up when you vacuum it. >> > >> > AMber >> > >> > David Keymel wrote: >> > > >> > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish >> > > in it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned >> > > it...ever, so over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel >> > > collected a lot of nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my >> > > buds house, and set it up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. >> > > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of >> > > small tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the >> > > question is, how can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he >> > > stuck draining the tank and just starting the tank fresh? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36563	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to contact you. That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first got into this hobby! Deb P --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > Hey guys > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it home. > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker of > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. so > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any idea > for me in my new set up. > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the tank > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > loaches. > > got Any other ideas? > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36564	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Very nice selection of fish and plants, Amber! I haven't seen the Danio Glofish in a community tank prior to this. Yours are beautiful. Did you order them or get them at your LFS? I also wondered about a plant that looked like it had large pink leaves. Was a very nice background plant. What is that? Everything is just great. Deb P. --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Oh oops they were approved. Page 2 in my folder listed below is all the new photos. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic > life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure > who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I would ask. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > > pic/list > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36565	From: William	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Identification

Could you send another picture of your fish , this time showing the mouth better.It is hard to see the mouth in the photo that you have.When I looked I did not look close at the mouth but it could be that the mouth is camouflaged and not as large as it might look. The rest of the picture looks like the parrot cichlid. Being as how it is a hybrid, it could be that it was one of the fish that was different from it's brothers and sisters. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I don't think the mouth looks anything like a Parrot Cichlid.. unless I'm > looking at the image wrong. The mouth looks like a grumpy old man instead > of the funny mouth shape that I've seen on Parrot Cichlids. Here's the > actual link to the image. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/9 250950 > 01/view > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of William > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Identification > > After seeing the picture It does look like a parrot cichlid that is changing > colors. The shape is right and colors are something that are variable. It is > a hybrid of different cichlids, some say that it is a cross between a gold > severum and a red devil cichlid. Red devil cichlids are variable in color > also, I have seen them in striped like convicts to all red or yellow as well > as blotched like your fish. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Shannon" <kiva_wolf@> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > I am new to the group here and was looking for someone who can > help me > > identify the species of fish I have. I have had "Bubba" for > > approximately 10 years, after my mother bought him at the LFS being > > told that he was not an aggressive species. She put him in her 55g > > community tank and he ate all the smaller fish, so she asked me if > I > > wanted him. I took him and absolutely love him; he has quite a > > personality and will actually try to "kiss" you through the glass > on > > his tank.....I really think he's trying to attack me when I kiss > the > > side of the tank but it's more fun to say it's kisses lol. > > > > Mom was told that he is a Blood Red Parrot, but he doesn't really > > resemble any of the other fish I have seen of this species. He is > > approximately 8" long from lips to tail and approximately 5-6" tall > > from dorsal fin to pec fin. I have been feeding him bloodworms, > cichlid > > pellets, frozen beef heart, the occasional small earthworm from my > > organic flower beds, and small guppies. He currently lives in a 29g > > tank with a bala shark, 2 plecos, a tiger barb and about 12 > guppies. I > > will be upgrading soon to a 55g tank. > > > > I posted a pic of Bubba on the Members' AquaticLife photo album. > Can > > anyone help me identify what species he is? Thanks in advance. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36566	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I got a lot of great responses to these goldfish queries, especially the one focused on goldfish memory. I really enjoyed all of the stories and links. Thanks so much for sending them! My experience with my goldfish has varied with each one. But I have noticed that they all seemed to like my cats. Maybe it is because my cats like them? My cats seem to have adopted the fish as their pets. One of my cats even 'helped' feed them. She 'held open' the tank lid and 'made sure I fed the fish correctly'. If I was late feeding the fish, she got very upset and came to get me. I think the fish appreciated her attention. They would go to the edge of the tank, where her seat was located, and put their noses up against the aquarium next to hers when she visited them. Sometimes one of my goldfish would turn and wiggle his tail at her and then turn to watch her go nuts. If she went to sleep or turned her attention away, he would go up near the top of the tank and make a HUGE splash so the water would come out of the tank and get her! He did the same thing to me if I stood near the tank and did not pay attention to him. I think the cat and I both laughed at the fish's antics. He had a lot of personality but those were some really obvious ways he interacted with us. He also had a pet (fake) snail that he played with a lot. I lost the fish due to stupidity. I did some wood refinishing near the aquarium and the fumes were very strong. Right after that he died and I realized that the fumes must have killed him. This is one reason I want to get that tank out of the basement. I have such GUILT!! I don't think my cat ever forgave me. Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36567	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. Deb P --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. Here's my 65G http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. html when I first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then re-plant it. Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat the plant roots thank you Janis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36568	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Nothing special as far as lighting for my tanks. For a long time, on my 65G goldfish tank, I had a 36" light strip with one "Cool White" fluorescent tube so I barely had 1/2 watt per gallon (which was enough to light up the tank and the plants did OK), but last year, I bought a 48" shop light with two 48" tubes 40 watt "Daylight" bulbs so now I'm closer to 1.5 watts per gallon and the plants have definitely reacted to the brighter lighting.. especially the Crypt. It went from being a small to mid-size plant to now being a GIANT plant which I have to trim the leaves on often as they are growing to the top of the tank and then across the water. I have it planted in a 3" clay pot with gravel and detritus as the substrate.. nothing special. I got the 48" shop light fixture at Home Depot for around $20.00. They come in white, black and plain aluminum and I wanted the black fixture but they were out so I just got the white one. I got the bulbs at Wal-Mart for a few dollars each.. just the basic Daylight tubes. They have fancier, more expensive bulbs but the Daylight or Cool White both work fine for easy to grow, low light plants but the Daylights are a little brighter than the Cool Whites. BTW.. I added a couple of new links to my "Planted Tank" blog article http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. html with another good database of easy and low light plants. The link it to Aquatic Plant Central which is a very good site, of which I'm also a member but not as active as here. They started building their database in 2006 and now have over 1,500 plant profiles/care sheets and the database will search many different parameters. I have instructions on finding the Easy and Low-light plants under the link on my blog. It even has a Region (Biotope) search to find plants that are indigenous to a certain region if one is setting up a Biotope tank. Between the links on my blog to PlantGeek's easy and very easy plants and the new APC database searches of low light plants and easy plants, there's a HUGE assortment of plants that will do well in most tanks with average lighting... usually the basic lighting that comes with a tank will have around 1 watt per gallon of standard fluorescent lighting.... some more, some less. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about plants Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. Deb P --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. Here's my 65G http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. html when I first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then re-plant it. Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36569	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

The only one I have that's pink is a fake silk plant, so that might be what you saw in the pics. I got the Glofish danio's at my LFS, they occasionally order them. I've managed to keep most of them alive, the little critters just aren't that hardy, I bet it's from all the scientific stuff they've done to them ;) I've got 6 left out of 8, not too bad I suppose. The ones I have now I have had for several months too. Seem to be doing good. Thanks :) I will post pics of the new loaches when they get here and I get them acclimated. The shipper is very secure in his shipping and packaging procedures so lets just hope we don't have weather issues that cause the plane to not land, that would be really awful. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Very nice selection of fish and plants, Amber! I haven't seen the > Danio Glofish in a community tank prior to this. Yours are beautiful. > Did you order them or get them at your LFS? I also wondered about a > plant that looked like it had large pink leaves. Was a very nice > background plant. What is that? Everything is just great. > > Deb P. > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Oh oops they were approved. Page 2 in my folder listed below is all the > > new photos. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic > > > life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure > > > who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. > > > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't > > > been approved yet, now that I just checked. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to > > > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's cool. > > > > > > > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in the > > > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see > > > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I > > > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I > would ask. > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > > > > > > > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > > > > > > > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > > > > > > > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > > > > > > > > bigger tank though. > > > > > > > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > > > > > > > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually > touch > > > > > > > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > > > > > > > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep > laying > > > > > > > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > unless > > > > > > > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > > > > > > > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > > > > > > > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ > > > > pic/list > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36570	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Depends on what kind of plants you get. Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light from a window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go check the box downstairs, LOL). Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > away and are east windows. > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in > with > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants > in my > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > maintenance, I > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > having to > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just > holds > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > gravel. > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > these seem > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > Here's my 65G > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. > html when I > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > bottom > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, > etc., > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the > image > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > details.php? id=71 > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > re-plant it. > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > promised.. with > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > decisions. > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've > heard > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > unexpectedly high > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > everything > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36571	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

It's Amber Berglund, the link is in my original post too (down below this one if it doesn't cut off). Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Which album is yours? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > them > to the group. > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > bigger tank though. > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36572	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also introduced what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back to the aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and wouldn't harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. However several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does anyone know how to eradicate them from the tank. My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good reputation but they still didn't have clean plants. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light from a > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > > away and are east windows. > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in > > with > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants > > in my > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > maintenance, I > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > having to > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just > > holds > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > > gravel. > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > these seem > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. > > html when I > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > > bottom > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, > > etc., > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the > > image > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > details.php? id=71 > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > promised.. with > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've > > heard > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > unexpectedly high > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > everything > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or on/in the plants? Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and there are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jasmine Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also introduced what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back to the aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and wouldn't harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. However several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does anyone know how to eradicate them from the tank. My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good reputation but they still didn't have clean plants. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light from a > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > > away and are east windows. > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in > > with > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants > > in my > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > maintenance, I > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > having to > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > just holds > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > > gravel. > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. > > I > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > these seem > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. > > html when I > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > > bottom > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, > > etc., > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > years > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch > > the image > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > details.php? id=71 > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > promised.. with > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > I've heard > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > unexpectedly high > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > everything > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for > > 12 > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to > > eat > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36574	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Taking photos

Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been very, because of the reflection of the glass ? Edwin

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36575	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

\\Steve// from this group wrote up a nice article about taking pics of your fish. You can find it here... http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/13061 And here's a few other articles... http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/misc/photography.html http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/photography_list.php http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_2/cav2i2/aquarium_photography/photograp hy.htm In short, you can't take the pic straight on or the flash will bounce right back at you, so you have to take it at an angle (up or down or from the side) so any light-bounce will go off away from the camera... or turn off the flash and rely on the tank lighting. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of edwingardiner@... Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been very, because of the reflection of the glass ? Edwin

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36576	From: caroline	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: upside down goldfish story

Oh my heavens,,,,,,,,there she was...upside down.. thank you very much for this article.. that pub is being made famous for its upside down fish.........yes, I am checking the bacteria and feeding only sinking morsels and peas..........this is a wonderful group of fish lovers.. caroline At 06:28 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote: >I remember the thread about our group members' >upside down goldfish and I thought everyone who >contributed, especially our member with the >upside down fish, might appreciate the article from the link below. > >Maybe your fish will be okay after all if you >make sure she doesn't have a bacterial problem (or get rid of it if she does). > >Deb P. > ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2517786/Goldfish-that-swims-upside-down.html>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2517786/Goldfish-that-swims-upside-down.html > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36577	From: caroline	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

ohhhhhhhhh..guilt... sometimes we learn hard lessons.......I never knew what joy..these goldfish are.. amazing. caroline >I got a lot of great responses to these goldfish >queries, especially the one focused on goldfish >memory. I really enjoyed all of the stories and >links. Thanks so much for sending them! > >My experience with my goldfish has varied with >each one. But I have noticed that they all >seemed to like my cats. Maybe it is because my >cats like them? My cats seem to have adopted the >fish as their pets. One of my cats even 'helped' >feed them. She 'held open' the tank lid and >'made sure I fed the fish correctly'. If I was >late feeding the fish, she got very upset and >came to get me. I think the fish appreciated her >attention. They would go to the edge of the >tank, where her seat was located, and put their >noses up against the aquarium next to hers when >she visited them. Sometimes one of my goldfish >would turn and wiggle his tail at her and then >turn to watch her go nuts. If she went to sleep >or turned her attention away, he would go up >near the top of the tank and make a HUGE splash >so the water would come out of the tank and get >her! He did the same thing to me if I stood near >the tank and did not pay attention to him. I think the cat and I both >laughed at the fish's antics. He had a lot of >personality but those were some really obvious >ways he interacted with us. He also had a pet >(fake) snail that he played with a lot. > >I lost the fish due to stupidity. I did some >wood refinishing near the aquarium and the fumes >were very strong. Right after that he died and I >realized that the fumes must have killed him. >This is one reason I want to get that tank out >of the basement. I have such GUILT!! I don't think my cat ever forgave me. > >Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36578	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

They have been on the market for years, If you think this does not work you may want to also tell people to not buy the different colored nets. People walk into sliding glass doors every day. Birds fly into windows every day. I saw a presentation by someone that works on responsible saltwater fish collecting and he noted that the World Wildlife Federation gave indigenous fisherman the wrong colored nets. Thus making capture difficult. Upon introduction of a different colored net the people were more successful at capturing fish. Thus cutting down on destructive fish collecting habits. I first saw the acrylic scoop at the San Francisco Aquarium Society over 5 years ago. One of the founders of San Francisco Bay Brand and I think he was representing the parent company of Amquel at the time donated one to the club. He noted that it was taken from an Asian model that was quite successful. This gentleman whose name escapes me gave a fascinating History of the Aquarium hobby since WWII. He started working at the California Academy Of Sciences during WWII and was a member of the San Francisco Aquarium Society. Discussed how that club had actually helped fund many endeavors by the Academy and owned San Francisco Bay Brand and the Brine Shrimp ponds in the South San Francisco Bay. But changes in laws over the years caused the aquarium society to have to sell off many companies it had founded. Now that club is still surviving but not able to support the Academy as it once had. In a message dated 1/26/2009 9:32:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jett07002@... writes: I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back if not satisfied" statement. Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. LOL, in short, do not waste your money. joe t **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36579	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first caught my eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is a 'Aqua One AR-980'. I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male Bristlenose was out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type mark on its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with its back toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or on/in > the plants? > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and there > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also introduced > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back to the > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and wouldn't > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. However > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A year > later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does anyone know how > to eradicate them from the tank. > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you quartenteen > them first. The place I got mine from has a very good reputation but they > still didn't have clean plants. > > Jasmine > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > from a > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > > > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > > > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > > > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > strategy to > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > plants in > > > with > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > plants > > > in my > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > goldfish > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > so I can > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > > having to > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > > just holds > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish > tank. > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > > > gravel. > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > re-shove them > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > plants like > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. > > > I > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > > these seem > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more > easily. > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > tank-stand. > > > html when I > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > > > bottom > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > driftwood, > > > etc., > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > blog, the > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > > years > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch > > > the image > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I > believe > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > anacharis. For > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > recover, > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots > and then > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > promised.. with > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be > spread > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only > have a > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > Listed in > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > > decisions. > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > aspx > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > > I've heard > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > everything > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > with the > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > image.. or > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > packages that > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for > > > 12 > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to > > > eat > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36580	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

$67 dollars additional for lights? And to think, years ago we used to row such plants in a darkish area with a bulb for lighting that cost us less than a dollar. Even as a kid, I could afford that. Oh, and for that minimal effort, I had my first aquatic plant bloom in that setup. I guess it wuz jist that we wuzn't all that smart back then. You should be able to do just fine with your current lighting for low light type plants. If you use the plant lights (Gro-Lux and such) you will be using a light that could make some colors of your fish stand out more. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need > the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if > I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. > The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. html when I > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36581	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

I believe there is some commentary on this subject in the archives. I don't have the time to get into it now, as I should be getting to leave for work now <g>. However, I'm sure others will chime in. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > edwingardiner@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > Edwin > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36582	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Hi Edwin, and welcome to the Group. As you're finding out, fish photography is not as easy as it may look. Following up on \\Steve's// comments, and filling in for his present lack of time at this moment, you can find some of his suggestions on a Subject thread entitled "Photo Tips Wanted" in the archives in Message #28501 (6/30/08) and #28516 (7/1/08). They should offer you a few pointers. Lots of luck with your photography, and please post some of your results when you get something you're satisfied with. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "edwingardiner@..." <edwingardiner@...> wrote: > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > Edwin >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36583	From: greychildren	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first got into this hobby! > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > home. > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > of > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. > > so > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > idea > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > tank > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > loaches. > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36584	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Sounds like another ploy from your LFS to try to get you to spend more of your money there, unnecessarily. No. you don't need to spend $67 on bulbs for low light plants, provided your aquarium hood will accomodate the regular size T-12 bulbs (they're a bit larger in diameter than the T-5's, T-8's and T-10's that are also used in the aquarium trade). Many aquarium fixtures are designed for T-12's though, and you can install and comparable bulb to your needs. Some hobbyists use just regular Cool White Fluorescents found in their local hardware store (@ $2 each), with decent results with low light plants, although Daylight bulbs are more beneficial -- and don't cost very much more. As Lenny pointed out, some hobbyists 4' use shop lights. I use these fixtures over aisles of tank racks, with one Cool White Bulb and one Warm White bulb and get fine growth in my low light plants. There are other fluorescent bulbs more suited to plants, but you need to consider their lighting effects on your viewing vs the needthe plants. Still, as long as your fixture also holds "regular" bulbs, many of these can still be used without affecting their appearance to your eye. Sylvania makes a special bulb designed primarily for plants, called "Gro-Lux." GE has an equivilent bulb they call "Gro-N-Sho." These are an improvement for plant growth over ordinary bulbs and don't cost that much more, although they do have a slight purplish cast. An improvement over these are the Glo-Lux Wide Spectrum bulbs; they cast a slightly pinkish light, but again along with regular bulbs should not affect the appearance of your fish. There are Full Spectrum bulbs such as DuroTest's "Vita-Lite," GE's "Chroma 50," Philips' "Colortone 50" and Sylvania's "Designer 5000K" which offer about the best spectrum for your plants (and for lighting your fish more naturally), for the price, as opposed to having to spend $67 -- and they do not cost all that much more (usually around $10, OR LESS). While you can find many of these at your LFS (telling you that they're fine for aquarium use), they can be found at Home Depot or Loews at half the price. The 4' tubes are the least least expensive for the lumens produced as they're the most commonly used size. Ray ---In AquaticLife groups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank- stand. html when I > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36585	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

forget the name now it was ...... something stellia (sp?) i know it was of the algae eater family because of the mouth but the nose reminded me of the long nosed gar (pike family) will have to go back there tomorrow and get more info, or if i have time at work today call them and ask more info about the fish. i know they had just gotten them in that week and the fish were still in quarantine until this week Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36586	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

was just looking at the Mongabay.com site and it is one of the farlowella, will book mark the site and check it more tonight when i get home :) have to run now or will be late for work :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36587	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

When buying aquatic plants, you should always disinfect them of any possible algae, pathogens, snail eggs (if you don't want snails), dragon fly and damsel fly larvae, hydra, leeches or any other number of hitch-hikers. Many of the plants offered in your LFS are grown in outdoor conditions on Florida fish farms and may contain anything found in the wild. Indoor aquatic growers are safer, but there's always a chance of transporting something undesireable. These methods of disinfecting, as is much other information, can be found in the archives, but to cover a few more effective ones, one method is to use a 5% bleach solution of 1 part bleach to 19 parts water. Tougher, large-leaved plants are to be soaked for about 3 minutes (or less), more delicate plants are soaked only 2 minutes (or less) -- without immersing the roots -- after which an immediate rinsing is given and the plants are submerged in a bucket of clean water contain 3 times the normal dose of dechlorinator. The time element of "or less" is included as it's a good idea to start on the low side of the time duration since some plants may not tolerate this treatment as well as others. A second method involves the use of Potassium Permanganate, coloring the bath water until it's dark pink. Plants are allowed to soak in this for 10 to 20 minutes, after which they're submerged in a bucket of clean water, again containing a dechlorinator as this neutralizes the effects of P.P. A third method is to use powdered Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) which can be found in the grocery store in the pickling department. At least 1 Tbs per gallon of this is used for an overnight soak, but up to 3 Tbs per gallon may be used for a shorter duration of an hour or so. This last method won't kill algae though, as will the first two. For larger invaders it's often best to actually search over the plants for possible "creatures." Once introduced into the aquarium, leeches can be eliminated with the use of Fluke Tabs (contains Trichlorfon and Membendazole). While some suggestions indicate this shouldn't affect your nitrogen cycle, I'd suggest you may want to be alerted to the possibility that it just might, and you should be prepared for at least a mini-cycle if it should occur. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@...> wrote: > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > introduced what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and > took it back to the aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it > was harmless and wouldn't harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more > but didn't find any. However several months later, my partner found > another one in the tank. A year later, today, while doing my water > change, we found 4. Does anyone know how to eradicate them from the tank. > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > reputation but they still didn't have clean plants. > > Jasmine > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > from a > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > > > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > > > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > > > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > strategy to > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > plants in > > > with > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > plants > > > in my > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > goldfish > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > so I can > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > > having to > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just > > > holds > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish > tank. > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > > > gravel. > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > re-shove them > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > plants like > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > > these seem > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more > easily. > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > tank-stand. > > > html when I > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > > > bottom > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > driftwood, > > > etc., > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > blog, the > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the > > > image > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I > believe > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > anacharis. For > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > recover, > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots > and then > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > promised.. with > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be > spread > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only > have a > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > Listed in > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > > decisions. > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > aspx > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've > > > heard > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > everything > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > with the > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > image.. or > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > packages that > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36588	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

With your "mystery fish" looking like a large pencil fish, until you mentioned that this was an algae eater, I was about to suggest it may be Anostomus anostomus but it would appear that can be ruled out. I know of no Farlowella that has anything like "stellia" in its name, although Farlowella are in the Family Loricariidae (Loricaria). In this same Family also is a "Pleco-type" catfish by the name of Stoneiella leopardus -- the spelling is at least somewhat similar. This fish gets to about 8" (some hobbyists say 10"), but it does not look like any pencil fish I ever saw, especially with considering its hugh sail-like dorsal fin. Then again, I've never seen any Farlowella resembling a pencil fish either. I guess we'll have to wait to see what you turn up. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > was just looking at the Mongabay.com site and it is one of the farlowella, will book mark the site and check it more tonight when i get home :) > have to run now or will be late for work :) > > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36589	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

David,   The fastest way is by shop vac but if fish are still in tank a problem.  Next choice, use the shop vac hose NOT attached to the machine.  Fill it full of water first until both ends are full and place carefully into tank holding the outer end up higher than tank water level.  When your ready to start simply let the outer or higher hose drop quickly into a container ---a large container and you will remove the gravel quickly.  The large diameter of the hose does this.  Working carefully and toward the bottom you should not get any fish caught in the under tow.  But I would still recommend the removing of the fish first into a bucket or some container until tank can be reset.   Bill --- On Mon, 1/26/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:21 PM Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the tank and just starting the tank fresh? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36590	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Inherited Dirty Tank

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Ill let him know and he will do what he does. Probably make a giant mess. :) I told him to let the python fill the tank while a manual syphon drains out the window thats next to the tank. he doesn't seem to fond of this idea though. Plus its winter and his driveway would turn into a skating rink. ;) I said he would be doing two things at once. making a nice home for his fish, and starting a new hockey rink! On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > David, > > The fastest way is by shop vac but if fish are still in tank a problem. > Next choice, use the shop vac hose NOT attached to the machine. Fill it > full of water first until both ends are full and place carefully into tank > holding the outer end up higher than tank water level. When your ready to > start simply let the outer or higher hose drop quickly into a container ---a > large container and you will remove the gravel quickly. The large diameter > of the hose does this. Working carefully and toward the bottom you should > not get any fish caught in the under tow. But I would still recommend the > removing of the fish first into a bucket or some container until tank can be > reset. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Inherited Dirty Tank > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:21 PM > > Hey guys, my buddy got a free tank setup that had community fish in > it. 75G. Nice tank, and i guess the guy never cleaned it...ever, so > over the time he had it you can imagine the gravel collected a lot of > nasty stuff. So we have moved the tank to my buds house, and set it > up. the fish that were in it are now in a different tank he had setup. > There were not a lot of fish in the tank really, just a bunch of small > tetras and a loach and an angel which i took. So, the question is, how > can he clean out the gravel the quickest? Is he stuck draining the > tank and just starting the tank fresh? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36591	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

I'm still having trouble with getting the focus right (I think I need a better camera), but I've found that taking pictures at night with the room lights off works best for eliminating reflections. Just ignore the camera telling you that you need the flash on. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <edwingardiner@...> Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been very, because of the reflection of the glass ? Edwin

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36592	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

Thank! It's nice to hear from the other perspective. I still don't know where I'd store one, though. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deenerz@...> They have been on the market for years, If you think this does not work you may want to also tell people to not buy the different colored nets. People walk into sliding glass doors every day. Birds fly into windows every day. I saw a presentation by someone that works on responsible saltwater fish collecting and he noted that the World Wildlife Federation gave indigenous fisherman the wrong colored nets. Thus making capture difficult. Upon introduction of a different colored net the people were more successful at capturing fish. Thus cutting down on destructive fish collecting habits. I first saw the acrylic scoop at the San Francisco Aquarium Society over 5 years ago. One of the founders of San Francisco Bay Brand and I think he was representing the parent company of Amquel at the time donated one to the club. He noted that it was taken from an Asian model that was quite successful. This gentleman whose name escapes me gave a fascinating History of the Aquarium hobby since WWII. He started working at the California Academy Of Sciences during WWII and was a member of the San Francisco Aquarium Society. Discussed how that club had actually helped fund many endeavors by the Academy and owned San Francisco Bay Brand and the Brine Shrimp ponds in the South San Francisco Bay. But changes in laws over the years caused the aquarium society to have to sell off many companies it had founded. Now that club is still surviving but not able to support the Academy as it once had. In a message dated 1/26/2009 9:32:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jett07002@... writes: I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back if not satisfied" statement. Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. LOL, in short, do not waste your money. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36593	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

See your reply, Amber, but I didn't find any folder named Amber. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. > It's Amber Berglund, the link is in my original post too (down below > this one if it doesn't cut off). > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Which album is yours? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted >> them >> to the group. >> >> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how >> much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. >> You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that >> was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the >> bigger tank though. >> He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he >> charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch >> any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most >> aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying >> eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish unless >> they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The >> angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have >> started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? >> My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> >> Amber >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36594	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Tried to look at them, but that link took me only to the albums; no clue which album to look at! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. > The only one I have that's pink is a fake silk plant, so that might be > what you saw in the pics. I got the Glofish danio's at my LFS, they > occasionally order them. I've managed to keep most of them alive, the > little critters just aren't that hardy, I bet it's from all the > scientific stuff they've done to them ;) I've got 6 left out of 8, not > too bad I suppose. The ones I have now I have had for several months > too. Seem to be doing good. > Thanks :) > I will post pics of the new loaches when they get here and I get them > acclimated. The shipper is very secure in his shipping and packaging > procedures so lets just hope we don't have weather issues that cause the > plane to not land, that would be really awful. > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: >> >> Very nice selection of fish and plants, Amber! I haven't seen the >> Danio Glofish in a community tank prior to this. Yours are beautiful. >> Did you order them or get them at your LFS? I also wondered about a >> plant that looked like it had large pink leaves. Was a very nice >> background plant. What is that? Everything is just great. >> >> Deb P. >> >> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: >> >> Oh oops they were approved. Page 2 in my folder listed below is all the >> >> new photos. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Do you mean my gold severum? Oh and now looking in the *members aquatic >> >> > life photos I see the blood red parrot fish, he's not mine, not sure >> >> > who's he is. None of those photo's in that section are mine, LOL. >> >> > All of my photos are under "Amber Berglund" and the new ones haven't >> >> > been approved yet, now that I just checked. >> >> > >> >> > Amber >> >> > >> >> > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Nice photos, Amber! The fish are really nice. I will be curious to >> >> > > find out about true identity of your Blood Red Parrot Fish. He's >> > > cool. >> >> > > >> >> > > I wondered about 2 big white dots I saw in your tank? They were in >> > > the >> >> > > photo of the 125 on the right side. I am always curious when I see >> >> > > something I do not recognize. Dots are not recognizable to me. I >> >> > > figured they might have been light reflections, but thought I >> would ask. >> >> > > >> >> > > Deb P. >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >> >> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone >> > > how >> >> > > >> >> > > much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. >> >> > > >> >> > > You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and >> > > that >> >> > > >> >> > > was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the >> >> > > >> >> > > bigger tank though. >> >> > > >> >> > > He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he >> >> > > >> >> > > charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually >> touch >> >> > > >> >> > > any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most >> >> > > >> >> > > aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep >> laying >> >> > > >> >> > > eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish >> unless >> >> > > >> >> > > they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The >> >> > > >> >> > > angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have >> >> > > >> >> > > started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? >> >> > > >> >> > > My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: >> >> > > >> >> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/243006836/ >> >> > > pic/list >> >> > > >> >> > > Amber >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36595	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: goldfish questions

I love these kinds of stories of the relationships that develop between fish as pets and their keepers (and in your case even other pets). This goes beyond a fascination with aquatic life and becomes very personal, more than a hobby. Thanks for sharing! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I got a lot of great responses to these goldfish queries, especially the one focused on goldfish memory. I really enjoyed all of the stories and links. Thanks so much for sending them! > > My experience with my goldfish has varied with each one. But I have noticed that they all seemed to like my cats. Maybe it is because my cats like them? My cats seem to have adopted the fish as their pets. One of my cats even 'helped' feed them. She 'held open' the tank lid and 'made sure I fed the fish correctly'. If I was late feeding the fish, she got very upset and came to get me. I think the fish appreciated her attention. They would go to the edge of the tank, where her seat was located, and put their noses up against the aquarium next to hers when she visited them. Sometimes one of my goldfish would turn and wiggle his tail at her and then turn to watch her go nuts. If she went to sleep or turned her attention away, he would go up near the top of the tank and make a HUGE splash so the water would come out of the tank and get her! He did the same thing to me if I stood near the tank and did not pay attention to him. I think the cat and I both > laughed at the fish's antics. He had a lot of personality but those were some really obvious ways he interacted with us. He also had a pet (fake) snail that he played with a lot. > > I lost the fish due to stupidity. I did some wood refinishing near the aquarium and the fumes were very strong. Right after that he died and I realized that the fumes must have killed him. This is one reason I want to get that tank out of the basement. I have such GUILT!! I don't think my cat ever forgave me. > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36596	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

I am no photographer by any means, and have only a $100 digital camera, but I recently took some pictures of my fish for the first time. On my first attempt, I was having the same problem you are experiencing. I turned off all the other lights in the room and used the camera's night setting and got some pretty good shots. The challenge was getting the fish to hold still. All but 4 out of 40 shots were not blurred due to fish movement. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Hi Edwin, and welcome to the Group. As you're finding out, fish > photography is not as easy as it may look. Following up on \\Steve's// > comments, and filling in for his present lack of time at this moment, > you can find some of his suggestions on a Subject thread > entitled "Photo Tips Wanted" in the archives in Message #28501 > (6/30/08) and #28516 (7/1/08). They should offer you a few pointers. > Lots of luck with your photography, and please post some of your > results when you get something you're satisfied with. Ray > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "edwingardiner@" > <edwingardiner@> wrote: > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > Edwin > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36597	From: eclampe	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

I agree, a mild bleach solution works wonders & chlorine is easy to remove. I bleach everything, even my kids! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "erikaandnewton" <emcisme@...> wrote: > > ok my answer here will make more than a couple Sphincters pucker, but- > bleach it. do a mild bleach solution, might not get rid of chemicals > that might have been in the tank, but it will take care of soap or > any critter residue and/or diseases. leave it sit with the solution > in it for a few days, rinse it well and chlorine remover takes care > of any residue that may be left behind. been doing it for years, im > the queen of used fish tanks and I bleach every one. bleach > evaporates fairly fast and, like I said, the chlorine remover takes > care of any left behind.regular bleach though not scented or anything > extra in it > > erika wilmington de usa > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > though, > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > water > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half- strength > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > while > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > 87 > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > This > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > as > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > I > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > Tbs > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > had > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > the > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > home. > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > half > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > of > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > tanks.. > > so > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > idea > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > tank > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > loaches. > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36598	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta

I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@...> wrote: From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp and a bunch of plants right? erika wilmington de usa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36599	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

I really liked the Cichlid Forum - Thanks! I think he's a peacock. I also have my eye on another Cichlid and he is beautiful - but he is $30 and I dont' think I can sneak him past my husband (who doesn't understand the whole fish hobby thing) Thanks again! Gail --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:30 PM Yes, but it's important to learn their latin names (for cichlids, catfish, etc... even to know the latin names of our most common fish) as common names are so often used for multiple fish species so you can never fully rely on a common name to really know what you are buying. Of course, having at least a common name will at least give you a head start on finding the real species since you would only have to look at a half dozen or so fish profiles to find your fish. With my fish and plants, once I find good profiles on them, I save them in my favorites folder>Aquarium> My Fish or another folder for My Fish so I don't have to rely on memory for all them long latin names. ;-) If you insist on perusing more cichlid profiles, you can also check out http://cichlid- forums.com/ profiles/ and check through their database of over 1,500 profiles, but it's not going to be as thorough as Fishbase.org' s database. In either case, I strongly suggest you take several pictures as that will be your best bet at identifying it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most of these Cichlids having latin names. thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36600	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our tanks. I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I do not recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium plants are first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The leaches that I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd see them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't indicated that yet. http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde x.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm - actually in glancing at the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so this may be what you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew and mine are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what you have, you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live off of excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted plant, then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but they do indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I have them and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly have dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel as well as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that tank clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? Check out the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be part of it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they grow. If it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it could be something worse.. or just a benign growth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jasmine Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first caught my eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is a 'Aqua One AR-980'. I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male Bristlenose was out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type mark on its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with its back toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or on/in > the plants? > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and there > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also introduced > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back to the > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and wouldn't > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. However > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > anyone know how > to eradicate them from the tank. > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > reputation but they > still didn't have clean plants. > > Jasmine > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > from a > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop light > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I have > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but > > > they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are > > > about 12 feet > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > strategy to > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > with > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > plants in > > > with > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > plants > > > in my > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > goldfish > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > so I can > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > > having to > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > > just holds > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish > tank. > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and > > > the > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > the gravel. > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > re-shove them > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > plants like > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. > > > I > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > > these seem > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more > easily. > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > tank-stand. > > > html when I > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the > > > bottom > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > driftwood, > > > etc., > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > blog, the > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > > years > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch > > > the image > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I > believe > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > anacharis. For > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > recover, > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots > and then > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > promised.. with > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be > spread > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only > have a > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > Listed in > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > > decisions. > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > aspx > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > > I've heard > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > everything > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > with the > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > image.. or > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > packages that > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > for > > > 12 > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to > > > eat > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36601	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank into a 6G tank". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first got into this hobby! > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured though, > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, water > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then while > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like 87 > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take as > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, I > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one had > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in the > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > home. > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it half > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > of > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water tanks.. > > so > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > idea > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > tank > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > loaches. > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36602	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Not sure how you have the page sorted for albums but if you look on the right side it says, "Sort: Album Name | Creator | Last Modified". If you sort by Album Name then I'm in the first row of albums on the end, labeled "Amber Berglund". Hope that helps :) Will be taking pics later tonight of the loaches when I go get them. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > See your reply, Amber, but I didn't find any folder named Amber. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > them to the group. > > > It's Amber Berglund, the link is in my original post too (down below > > this one if it doesn't cut off). > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> Which album is yours? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted > >> them > >> to the group. > >> > >> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how > >> much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > >> You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that > >> was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the > >> bigger tank though. > >> He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he > >> charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually touch > >> any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most > >> aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep laying > >> eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish > unless > >> they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The > >> angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have > >> started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > >> My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > >> You. > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36603	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

I find it easier to also turn off all the room lights and use the tank lights to take pictures with. I don't use the flash on my camera either as that will obviously reflect on the side of the tank. Also red eye "red lights" will reflect on the side of the tank. Also don't hold the camera close to the glass as the lens has trouble focusing on inside the tank and will focus on the glass instead. Hope that helps, Amber eclampe wrote: > > I am no photographer by any means, and have only a $100 digital > camera, but I recently took some pictures of my fish for the first > time. On my first attempt, I was having the same problem you are > experiencing. I turned off all the other lights in the room and used > the camera's night setting and got some pretty good shots. The > challenge was getting the fish to hold still. All but 4 out of 40 > shots were not blurred due to fish movement. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Edwin, and welcome to the Group. As you're finding out, fish > > photography is not as easy as it may look. Following up on > \\Steve's// > > comments, and filling in for his present lack of time at this > moment, > > you can find some of his suggestions on a Subject thread > > entitled "Photo Tips Wanted" in the archives in Message #28501 > > (6/30/08) and #28516 (7/1/08). They should offer you a few > pointers. > > Lots of luck with your photography, and please post some of your > > results when you get something you're satisfied with. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "edwingardiner@" > > <edwingardiner@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of > my > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not > been > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36604	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta

Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy's. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@... > <mailto:emcisme%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@... <mailto:emcisme%40verizon.net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36605	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > youtube..looks good > but kitty litter as gravel? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > <pennafd@...> > wrote: > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for because > it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you used it. -- > Most > people would not mind if you do that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, > well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a note on the door with > your > phone number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a marine > biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first got into this > hobby! > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > fish > and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon > tetras > platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > though, > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > water > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > while > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > 87 > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > as > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > I > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > had > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > the > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > home. > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > half > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > of > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > tanks.. > > > > so > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > idea > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > tank > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36606	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: My rams

Well after looking closely at pictures of rams, I think I actually have long finned bolivian rams, not german rams like the LFS thought they were ;) (they were only labeled rams at the LFS, go figure, LOL). But they are both very happy, so that's what counts. I still think they are pretty, but the german blue rams are prettier ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36607	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: MIA fish

Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last week. She was in the tank one day and the next I couldn't find her (I pulled out all the ornaments and looked inside to see if she was hiding, no betta to be found). Also searched the tank for a dead betta, but didn't find that either. It's also possible that if she died the other fish ate her, but usually I find pieces of them later when that happens. The tank is enclosed except for the front door which has a HOB sitting on the front and it holds the door partially open (hard to imagine I know, I'll take a picture of the hood if anyone wants clarification), so there's about a 5 foot gap all along the front (it's about a 2 inch gap), so it's possible she could have jumped out and maybe one of the cats found her and ate her? or the dog? Gosh what a way to go :( I need to take the hood off and cut a part out of the back so I can move the HOB to the back of the tank. I thought about replacing her, but figured I could do that anytime, the LFS always has female/male bettas in stock, I will wait until after the hood is fixed just in case it was a Houdini act ;) I'm worried about my loaches escaping though (I know a few of you saw the video of them climbing out of the plastic container), so I guess I better get that hood fixed after work ;) Perhaps I could just put plastic across the top inside the hood, but the rim of the tank has been sawed off in a few spots to allow for clearance on HOB filters I would assume (used tank), it's the 125 gallon tank that I'm talking about, all my other tanks have fairly secure lids with hardly any openings except for heaters/filters. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36608	From: jett07002	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

????????So,Deenerz, what are you implying? That they work? I have trouble catching fry in a glass with a wide mouth (unless the fish vessel is so small they have nowhere to go.) The fish are sensitive to the pressure of the water. That's a closed vessel with a handle. The fish are going to "feel" the catch coming and swim (dart is more like it) away from it. If I am missing something..(?) maybe I just don't know how to do it. If you are experienced in using one of these, maybe you could explain where I am wrong. Different colored nets I can understand. Trying to make it blend in with the tank environment so MAYBE the fish would not see it coming. And even as porous as a fish net is, believe it or not, the fish can still "feel" it coming. That's why you should go after them slowly until they're in a position where you can capture them. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@... wrote: > > > They have been on the market for years, > > If you think this does not work you may want to also tell people to not buy > the different colored nets. > > People walk into sliding glass doors every day. Birds fly into windows every > day. I saw a presentation by someone that works on responsible saltwater > fish collecting and he noted that the World Wildlife Federation gave indigenous > fisherman the wrong colored nets. Thus making capture difficult. Upon > introduction of a different colored net the people were more successful at capturing > fish. Thus cutting down on destructive fish collecting habits. > > I first saw the acrylic scoop at the San Francisco Aquarium Society over 5 > years ago. One of the founders of San Francisco Bay Brand and I think he was > representing the parent company of Amquel at the time donated one to the club. > He noted that it was taken from an Asian model that was quite successful. > This gentleman whose name escapes me gave a fascinating History of the Aquarium > hobby since WWII. He started working at the California Academy Of Sciences > during WWII and was a member of the San Francisco Aquarium Society. Discussed > how that club had actually helped fund many endeavors by the Academy and > owned San Francisco Bay Brand and the Brine Shrimp ponds in the South San > Francisco Bay. But changes in laws over the years caused the aquarium society to > have to sell off many companies it had founded. Now that club is still surviving > but not able to support the Academy as it once had. > > In a message dated 1/26/2009 9:32:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jett07002@... writes: > > I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will > probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back > if not satisfied" statement. > > Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch > some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, > if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water > until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a > look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. > > LOL, in short, do not waste your money. > > joe t > > > > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36609	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Air Stone line....

Besides using plants to hide the air stone lines, do you use anything to hold it to the tank going up the side? Suction cups or what? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36610	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last > week. I recently had a male betta make "the big jump" after filling the tank a little higher than normal. He landed on rug and dried up. I was only gone a few hours! In the past I had some fish (maybe swords?) resurrect even after being out of the water a long time, so I threw him back in with the hopes I could rename him Lazarus, but it was fatal.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36611	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

This is why you also need to use their Latin.. oops.. scientific name ;-). There are many cichlid species with the "peacock" name... but at least having a common name means you only have to look through a few profiles instead of thousands to find out which fish you have. http://fish.mongabay.com/peacock_cichlids.htm (3 on this page) http://www.aqua-fish.net/show.php?h=grantspeacockcichlid (another here) http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=457 (another here but from South America) http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/peacocks.php (an article on "The Peacocks of Lake Malawi (Africa) which are from the Aulonocara genus) There may be more but this was just what I found with a quick Google, Mongabay and Fishbase search. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I really liked the Cichlid Forum - Thanks! I think he's a peacock. I also have my eye on another Cichlid and he is beautiful - but he is $30 and I dont' think I can sneak him past my husband (who doesn't understand the whole fish hobby thing) Thanks again! Gail --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:30 PM Yes, but it's important to learn their latin names (for cichlids, catfish, etc... even to know the latin names of our most common fish) as common names are so often used for multiple fish species so you can never fully rely on a common name to really know what you are buying. Of course, having at least a common name will at least give you a head start on finding the real species since you would only have to look at a half dozen or so fish profiles to find your fish. With my fish and plants, once I find good profiles on them, I save them in my favorites folder>Aquarium> My Fish or another folder for My Fish so I don't have to rely on memory for all them long latin names. ;-) If you insist on perusing more cichlid profiles, you can also check out http://cichlid- forums.com/ profiles/ and check through their database of over 1,500 profiles, but it's not going to be as thorough as Fishbase.org' s database. In either case, I strongly suggest you take several pictures as that will be your best bet at identifying it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most of these Cichlids having latin names. thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36612	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

And if you click on Last Modified, it will sort that column.. usually the first click will bring the oldest modified album to the top. Click on it again and it will bring the most recently modified album to the top... that's what I do when someone says they just posted pictures and I want to peek at them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. Not sure how you have the page sorted for albums but if you look on the right side it says, "Sort: Album Name | Creator | Last Modified". If you sort by Album Name then I'm in the first row of albums on the end, labeled "Amber Berglund". Hope that helps :) Will be taking pics later tonight of the loaches when I go get them. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > See your reply, Amber, but I didn't find any folder named Amber. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and > posted them to the group. > > > It's Amber Berglund, the link is in my original post too (down below > > this one if it doesn't cut off). > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> Which album is yours? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and > >> posted them to the group. > >> > >> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone > >> how much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. > >> You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and > >> that was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him > >> in the bigger tank though. > >> He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then > >> he charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him > >> actually touch any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish > >> are the most aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because > >> they keep laying eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore > >> the other fish > unless > >> they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. > >> The angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they > >> have started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? > >> My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/l > ist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list> > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list>> > >> > >> Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36613	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other room on your island! ;-) BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know them.. lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your tropical paradise. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea > gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center > and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed > the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent > leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > <pennafd@...> > wrote: > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for > because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you > used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one > of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a > note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to > contact you. > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > got into this hobby! > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and > neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > though, > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > water > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > while > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > 87 > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > as > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > I > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > had > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > the > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > home. > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > half > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > of > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > tanks.. > > > > so > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > idea > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > tank > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36614	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish

Awww. Not so funny. : (  I hope you find her or she returns just as mysteriously as when she disappeared. If fish die, some critters do eat the entire fish. For example, snails will eat the entire fish. I witnessed that feat once at a LFS and was NOT amused! Deb P --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36615	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

When I first got my 65G, I put something like these http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329 in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666 would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. There are also these http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2255012 which are bigger to hold more stuff. Most of the fish stores sell the suction cup airline tube holders but those are bigger and you can't really get them into the corners of the tank... and they eventually come loose. By using aquarium silicone (instead of epoxy) on the clips I used, I can at least peel/scrape them off if I ever want to reposition them one day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Besides using plants to hide the air stone lines, do you use anything to hold it to the tank going up the side? Suction cups or what? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36616	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

YES! Kitty litter breaks down. I think the "special" kitty litter the video producer referred to was plain old sand. That is what it looked like close up. I am not sure whether it was play sand or paving sand, but it looked like sand. I have had cats all of my life and I am a gardener who uses sand. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > youtube..looks good > but kitty litter as gravel? > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > <pennafd@... > > wrote: > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for because > it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you used it. -- > Most > people would not mind if you do that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, > well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a note on the door with > your > phone number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a marine > biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first got into this > hobby! > > > > Deb P > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > fish > and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and neon > tetras > platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > though, > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > water > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > while > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > 87 > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > as > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > I > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > had > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > the > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > home. > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > half > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > of > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > tanks.. > > > > so > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > idea > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > tank > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36617	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter

What is "plain" kitty litter going to break down into? It's dried up clay broken up into little pieces. I'm pretty sure it gets wet and then just bonds back together to form wet mushy clay again... the kind that oozes up between your toes when you walk around in a natural lake or pond that has a clay bottom. Here's what Chuck says about it in a snip from... http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_substrate.htm Kitty Litter: Varies greatly by brand. Some are inert, others will drastically alter your water chemistry. Many (all I've tested) will eventually get soft and mushy in water. Not the best substrate but it may not be bad if that's what someone wants and wants a natural looking bottom (not many lakes or ponds have pea gravel or colored gravel for their bottoms.. lol) and they are prepared for any side-effects if their plain kitty litter wasn't so plain. Here's a long thread about Kitty Litter on TheKrib's website which has some positive and a lot of negative replies about clay but usually due to some of the "junk" that might be in the clay, from the source of the clay. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/cat-litter.html All of this goes back to something I said in another thread... while YouTube has some nice videos, you should also diligently check out what some of them say or show as they never seem to post vids of their tanks six months later or six years later... only right after they set them up, usually overstocked with fish. ALWAYS look at the YouTuber's other videos to see what else they upload and then you can start to see how reliable they might be. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank YES! Kitty litter breaks down. I think the "special" kitty litter the video producer referred to was plain old sand. That is what it looked like close up. I am not sure whether it was play sand or paving sand, but it looked like sand. I have had cats all of my life and I am a gardener who uses sand. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel > which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably > not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the > concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36618	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group

Now therey're all yours - oh, well. Very pretty! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted them to the group. > Not sure how you have the page sorted for albums but if you look on the > right side it says, "Sort: Album Name | Creator | Last Modified". > If you sort by Album Name then I'm in the first row of albums on the > end, labeled "Amber Berglund". > Hope that helps :) > Will be taking pics later tonight of the loaches when I go get them. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> See your reply, Amber, but I didn't find any folder named Amber. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted >> them to the group. >> >> > It's Amber Berglund, the link is in my original post too (down below >> > this one if it doesn't cut off). >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> Which album is yours? >> >> >> >> Yours, >> >> Dora Smith >> >> Austin, TX >> >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> >> >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:30 PM >> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Took some new pics of my fish today and posted >> >> them >> >> to the group. >> >> >> >> Just waiting for them to be approved but I wanted to show everyone how >> >> much my Severum has grown in just one month, LOL. >> >> You can see his first pic at the top which was him as a baby, and that >> >> was back on November 9th, he has gotten huge since putting him in the >> >> bigger tank though. >> >> He seems pretty docile unless the other fish pick on him, and then he >> >> charges at them to scare them off, I have yet to see him actually >> >> touch >> >> any of the other fish, which is good. The angelfish are the most >> >> aggressive fish in the tank, and it's probably because they keep >> >> laying >> >> eggs on stuff, LOL. The angel's pretty much ignore the other fish >> unless >> >> they get into the egg laying area, and then they get chased off. The >> >> angel's also haven't grown much in the last month, perhaps they have >> >> started to slow down? Any thoughts on this? >> >> My pics are here, when they are approved you can see the new ones: >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> >> >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> >> >> >> >> Amber >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> >> You. >> >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> >> important to >> >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> >> SUBJECT >> >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> >> .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36619	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish

was she with a Male Betta, perhaps? I have heard of the male eating the female. It could happen   -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] MIA fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:05 PM Awww. Not so funny. : (  I hope you find her or she returns just as mysteriously as when she disappeared. If fish die, some critters do eat the entire fish. For example, snails will eat the entire fish. I witnessed that feat once at a LFS and was NOT amused! Deb P --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36620	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Tried One of These?

I don't think pressure would be an issue with the snarfblatt thingy, because of the tube, that passes up through the handle. There was one comment on the PetSmart website that complained of the water spilling out of that tube if care wasn't taken to keep it higher than the bowl. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jett07002" <jett07002@...> ????????So,Deenerz, what are you implying? That they work? I have trouble catching fry in a glass with a wide mouth (unless the fish vessel is so small they have nowhere to go.) The fish are sensitive to the pressure of the water. That's a closed vessel with a handle. The fish are going to "feel" the catch coming and swim (dart is more like it) away from it. If I am missing something..(?) maybe I just don't know how to do it. If you are experienced in using one of these, maybe you could explain where I am wrong. Different colored nets I can understand. Trying to make it blend in with the tank environment so MAYBE the fish would not see it coming. And even as porous as a fish net is, believe it or not, the fish can still "feel" it coming. That's why you should go after them slowly until they're in a position where you can capture them. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@... wrote: > > > They have been on the market for years, > > If you think this does not work you may want to also tell people to not buy > the different colored nets. > > People walk into sliding glass doors every day. Birds fly into windows every > day. I saw a presentation by someone that works on responsible saltwater > fish collecting and he noted that the World Wildlife Federation gave indigenous > fisherman the wrong colored nets. Thus making capture difficult. Upon > introduction of a different colored net the people were more successful at capturing > fish. Thus cutting down on destructive fish collecting habits. > > I first saw the acrylic scoop at the San Francisco Aquarium Society over 5 > years ago. One of the founders of San Francisco Bay Brand and I think he was > representing the parent company of Amquel at the time donated one to the club. > He noted that it was taken from an Asian model that was quite successful. > This gentleman whose name escapes me gave a fascinating History of the Aquarium > hobby since WWII. He started working at the California Academy Of Sciences > during WWII and was a member of the San Francisco Aquarium Society. Discussed > how that club had actually helped fund many endeavors by the Academy and > owned San Francisco Bay Brand and the Brine Shrimp ponds in the South San > Francisco Bay. But changes in laws over the years caused the aquarium society to > have to sell off many companies it had founded. Now that club is still surviving > but not able to support the Academy as it once had. > > In a message dated 1/26/2009 9:32:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jett07002@... writes: > > I am pretty sure after they sell about a million or so they will > probably take it off the market. (I don't believe I saw a "money back > if not satisfied" statement. > > Believe me, only the naive would buy that contraption! You may catch > some fry if they are in a large school. Or, another possibility is, > if you don't mind holding that thing perfectly still in the water > until the fish you desire to catch decides he/she may want to take a > look into it. Have someone on standby for when your arm gets tired. > > LOL, in short, do not waste your money. > > joe t > > > > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36621	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish

Well I don't have any snails (yet), the only fish that I've noticed "munching" on leftovers are the angel fish and my severum, so it's possible that they could have nibbled her to nothing. I'm trying to figure out how to secure the top of the tank a bit better, honestly its a poorly made home-made hood IMO, and I need to figure out how to adjust it somehow. I will take pics after work and see if anyone has any suggestions. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Awww. Not so funny. : ( I hope you find her or she returns just as > mysteriously as when she disappeared. If fish die, some critters do > eat the entire fish. For example, snails will eat the entire fish. I > witnessed that feat once at a LFS and was NOT amused! > > Deb P > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36622	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other room on > your island! ;-) > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > them.. > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your tropical > paradise. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > tank, > and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > center is > only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea > > gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center > > and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed > > the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent > > leaching. > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > > into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for > > because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you > > used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one > > of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a > > note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to > > contact you. > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > > fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and > > neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > though, > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > water > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > while > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > 87 > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > as > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > > I > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > had > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > the > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > half > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > tanks.. > > > > > > so > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36623	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams

Amber,   All due respect!!!!!!!!!!! Rams are NOT ugly fish! a big fan fan.................   Bill --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] My rams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:37 PM Well after looking closely at pictures of rams, I think I actually have long finned bolivian rams, not german rams like the LFS thought they were ;) (they were only labeled rams at the LFS, go figure, LOL). But they are both very happy, so that's what counts. I still think they are pretty, but the german blue rams are prettier ;) Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36624	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: beware of water "clarifiers"

Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36625	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the point and shoot cameras. 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. Then you will need to practice to get it right. 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> 4. Activate the shutter. 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you get it right. There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a session. And more. Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need patience in spades. More information about what equipment you have will get you more specific advice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > edwingardiner@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > Edwin > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

OK.. I'm getting ready to do a Google Earth fly-by so stand outside and wave. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > room on your island! ;-) > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > them.. > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > tropical paradise. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use > it. > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden > > center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would > > have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy > > to prevent leaching. > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > in > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one > > to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used > > it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it > > before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If > > you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you > > could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it > > up to them to contact you. > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > though, > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > water > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > to > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > half-strength > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > while > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > 87 > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > This > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > as > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > necessary, > > I > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > Tbs > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but > > > I > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > had > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > the > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > half > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > worker > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > last > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > tanks.. > > > > > > so > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > clown > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36627	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: MIA fish

No she was in my community tank with the rest of my fish that she has been with since september. Amber gail wrote: > > was she with a Male Betta, perhaps? I have heard of the male eating > the female. It could happen > > -gail > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] MIA fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:05 PM > > Awww. Not so funny. : ( I hope you find her or she returns just as > mysteriously as when she disappeared. If fish die, some critters do > eat the entire fish. For example, snails will eat the entire fish. I > witnessed that feat once at a LFS and was NOT amused! > > Deb P > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > Okay, yes it sounds funny but I had my female betta go up missing last > > week. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36628	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams

I never said they were ugly at all, in fact they are my favorite fish in my tank, LOL (for now at least, that can always change, but don't tell the fish! LOL). I just think the german rams are more colorful myself, but these bolivian rams are still pretty, their blue and reds/pinks are nice a contrast to the rest of the tank. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Amber, > > All due respect!!!!!!!!!!! > Rams are NOT ugly fish! > a big fan fan................. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] My rams > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:37 PM > > Well after looking closely at pictures of rams, I think I actually have > long finned bolivian rams, not german rams like the LFS thought they > were ;) (they were only labeled rams at the LFS, go figure, LOL). > But they are both very happy, so that's what counts. I still think they > are pretty, but the german blue rams are prettier ;) > > Amber > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36629	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > point and shoot cameras. > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > get it right. > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > session. And more. > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > patience in spades. > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > specific advice. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > edwingardiner@... <mailto:edwingardiner%40ymail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > Edwin > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36630	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Another quick tip... your flash, especially on point and shoot cameras is designed for an average distance of 10 ft. kodak found by analyzing customers pics yrs ago that 99.9% of all flash pics are done while standing, camera at eye level at an average distance of 10 ft. Usually a group of friends or family. So you have to outsmart your camera. to help reduce the wash out effect, and excessive glare, try placing a layer of tissue paper or kleenex, one or two thicknesses over the flash. this will help diffuse the light and reduce the intensity. Careful not to cover the lens opening though! Leave your aquarium light on.. It helps your camera find focus, zoom in as much as possible. most point and shoot camera's have a center weighted focus, so you want your fish in the center as much as possible so that they are in focus, not just focusing past the fish on the background. Also, your lens will have a minimum focal range. meaning : If you are too close to your subject, it will never focus on it! The SLR cameras have lenses and diopters you can put on the camera to get past these issues. The great thing about digital cameras? you do not run out of film! Instant results, no waiting for a photo lab! So take lots of pics to get a good one! Good luck

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36631	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

LOL, if you actually did you may have seen me leaving my house and getting back into my fed ex truck ;) See any fed ex trucks on the map? heheh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I'm getting ready to do a Google Earth fly-by so stand outside and > wave. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate > rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and > we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is > in the > low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, > LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > > them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > > tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use > > it. > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden > > > center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would > > > have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy > > > to prevent leaching. > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > <pennafd@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > in > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one > > > to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used > > > it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it > > > before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If > > > you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you > > > could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it > > > up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > though, > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > water > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > to > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > while > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > > 87 > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > This > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > > as > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > necessary, > > > I > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but > > > > I > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > > had > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > the > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > half > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36632	From: dewdude35	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1841779939/pic/list here is a link to a pic I took. Lights on, flash on, camera at an angle. followed the fish. Used a sony cybershot 8.1 ... believe me it took alot to pry my old 35mm slr from my fingers, but I really like this little point and shoot. Now that digital technology has met most of my expectations, I hope to soon invest on a good digital SLR, but I am very content with this camera. Take several pics to catch the fish in the right pose for your needs. Good luck.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have down here in Louisiana. We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a Wal-Mart. Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is BIG hair a trademark up there? lol I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native species... I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing out loud. LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an island. ;-) Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > room on your island! ;-) > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > them.. > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > tropical paradise. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use > it. > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden > > center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would > > have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy > > to prevent leaching. > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > in > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one > > to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used > > it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it > > before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If > > you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you > > could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it > > up to them to contact you. > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > though, > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > water > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > to > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > half-strength > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > while > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > 87 > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > This > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > as > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > necessary, > > I > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > Tbs > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but > > > I > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > had > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > the > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > half > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > worker > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > last > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > tanks.. > > > > > > so > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > clown > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36634	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

Lenny, I have to give you credit, you always have a great idea...... I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow... But, one stupid question....You can just put aquarium silicone on the back, put them in the water and stick them to the tank? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 4:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: When I first got my 65G, I put something like these _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329) in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666) would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. There are also these _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2255012) which are bigger to hold more stuff. Most of the fish stores sell the suction cup airline tube holders but those are bigger and you can't really get them into the corners of the tank... and they eventually come loose. By using aquarium silicone (instead of epoxy) on the clips I used, I can at least peel/scrape them off if I ever want to reposition them one day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Besides using plants to hide the air stone lines, do you use anything to hold it to the tank going up the side? Suction cups or what? Thanks, Jim **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36635	From: gail	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: beware of water "clarifiers"

Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36636	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36637	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website

Be careful because not all cichlids can be combined with peacocks. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I really liked the Cichlid Forum - Thanks! I think he's a peacock. I also have my eye on another Cichlid and he is beautiful - but he is $30 and I dont' think I can sneak him past my husband (who doesn't understand the whole fish hobby thing) Thanks again! Gail --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:30 PM Yes, but it's important to learn their latin names (for cichlids, catfish, etc... even to know the latin names of our most common fish) as common names are so often used for multiple fish species so you can never fully rely on a common name to really know what you are buying. Of course, having at least a common name will at least give you a head start on finding the real species since you would only have to look at a half dozen or so fish profiles to find your fish. With my fish and plants, once I find good profiles on them, I save them in my favorites folder>Aquarium> My Fish or another folder for My Fish so I don't have to rely on memory for all them long latin names. ;-) If you insist on perusing more cichlid profiles, you can also check out http://cichlid- forums.com/ profiles/ and check through their database of over 1,500 profiles, but it's not going to be as thorough as Fishbase.org' s database. In either case, I strongly suggest you take several pictures as that will be your best bet at identifying it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website I got the "what he will look like later" example from the nice fellow at the local pet store. They had a variety of young fish, and some much larger adult fish. I will have to post a pic soon. I am also looking for another cichlid, but I forgot it's name too. It is so hard with most of these Cichlids having latin names. thanks for the link. I will have to check it out :D -gail Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:30 PM How do you know so much about him... as far as how big he will get and his future size and coloration but no type of name? I'm just curious how you got all the other info.. I'm guessing from a 3rd party but the 3rd party didn't know what kind of fish it was. There are dozens of good sites with lists of cichlids with the largest listing being http://www.fishbase .org which lists every fish known... as far as I know... but there are literally thousands of species so you will be busy for a few years looking through profiles. Can you take a picture of yours and either post it in your own online photo album or you can post it in the groups photo album section? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:09 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for a Cichlid species database/ website Hi, I am new to the group and I just bought a new Cichlid and I cannot figure out what kind he is. Does anyone know a good website that lists Cichlid Species -with pictures? Or maybe you can identify my new species? He is currently black & white stripes (big vertical stripes) - not a Convict. And his eyes are huge for his little body. He is currently only 2" big right now with the potential of getting like 7", and I do know that when he is fully grown, he will lose his stripes and be more rainbow colored. Any guesses or website recomendations? Thanks & best Regards, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36638	From: Darlene	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Questions about Otocinclus

do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36639	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank

We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. ;-) > Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > technically > surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of the many River > Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have down here in > Louisiana. > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > and on > most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the time, just > two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a small city/town > with it's own microcosm of America... including a Wal-Mart. > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is BIG > hair a trademark up there? lol > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > that be > skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of fish up > there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native species... > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > wouldn't > have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I zoomed > in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a driveway > leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing out loud. > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > International > Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an island. ;-) > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were more > what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks like a cool > place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar Point" like the > big party area of Ketchikan? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate > rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and > we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is > in the > low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, > LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > > them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > > tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use > > it. > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden > > > center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would > > > have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy > > > to prevent leaching. > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > <pennafd@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > in > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one > > > to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used > > > it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean it > > > before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If > > > you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you > > > could leave a note on the door with your phone number and leave it > > > up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > though, > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > water > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > to > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > while > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > > 87 > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > This > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > > as > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > necessary, > > > I > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but > > > > I > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > > had > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > the > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > half > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36640	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was when I assumed they were Danio sized. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy' s. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36641	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular zebra danio sized. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > platy's/guppy' s. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > 40verizon. net>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. I > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he misses, > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36642	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to catch them. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > zebra danio sized. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > empty. I > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36643	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Amber, Focusing on the glass is because the auto focus feature is being used. More depth of field is needed, which means a higher f/ stop. But, if the auto focus cannot be turned off, he is unlikely to be able to adjust the f/ stop. However, a higher f/ stop means that you will need more light, or a slower speed to get a properly exposed picture, which will lead to a blurry picture, still. 6 megapixels should give you a good 4x6 picture and a fair 8x10 of the fish. Actually, once you learn how to use it, provided your lens is a decent lens, the optical zoom is better. The digital zoom relies on digital trickery to do the zoom, and you lose some of the picture when you make it larger. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a > friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast > and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I > no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new > ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for > rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have > a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical > zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, > tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a > very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish > than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure > on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he > couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the > glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand > from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. > So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice > pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so > you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they > may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new > cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > > point and shoot cameras. > > > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > > get it right. > > > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > > photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > > session. And more. > > > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > > patience in spades. > > > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > > specific advice. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > edwingardiner@... <mailto:edwingardiner%40ymail.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36644	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Did I happen to say it backwards? I prefer the optical zoom not the digital, LOL. If I said it the other way around, sorry. I don't know all the technical jargon but I do know that my camera works very well for what I need it to do ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > Focusing on the glass is because the auto focus feature is being used. > More depth of field is needed, which means a higher f/ stop. But, if > the auto focus cannot be turned off, he is unlikely to be able to > adjust the f/ stop. However, a higher f/ stop means that you will need > more light, or a slower speed to get a properly exposed picture, which > will lead to a blurry picture, still. > > 6 megapixels should give you a good 4x6 picture and a fair 8x10 of the > fish. > > Actually, once you learn how to use it, provided your lens is a decent > lens, the optical zoom is better. The digital zoom relies on digital > trickery to do the zoom, and you lose some of the picture when you > make it larger. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:23 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a > > friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast > > and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I > > no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new > > ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for > > rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have > > a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical > > zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, > > tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a > > very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish > > than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure > > on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he > > couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the > > glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand > > from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. > > So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice > > pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so > > you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they > > may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new > > cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > > > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > > > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > > > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > > > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > > > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > > > > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > > > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > > > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > > > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > > > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > > > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > > > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > > > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > > > > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > > > point and shoot cameras. > > > > > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > > > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > > > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > > > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > > > > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > > > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > > > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > > > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > > > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > > > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > > > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > > > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > > > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > > > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > > > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > > > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > > > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > > > > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > > > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > > > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > > > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > > > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > > > > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > > > > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > > > get it right. > > > > > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > > > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > > > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > > > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > > > > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > > > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > > > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > > > photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > > > session. And more. > > > > > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > > > patience in spades. > > > > > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > > > specific advice. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > edwingardiner@... <mailto:edwingardiner%40ymail.com> > <mailto:edwingardiner%40ymail.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not > been > > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to the reply & if > > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36645	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money upgrading the airport since then? Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > down here in Louisiana. > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > Wal-Mart. > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > species... > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing out loud. > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > island. ;-) > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > know them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people > > use it. > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > <pennafd@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > in > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > was > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > though, > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > water > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to > > > > go > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > to > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > days > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > while > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > (like > > > 87 > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > This > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, > > > > as > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > take > > > as > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > necessary, > > > I > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > but I > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > one > > > had > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > the > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > it > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > half > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36646	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

You're looking at our emergancy helicopter pad for the hospital and medi-vac's. To the left, across the water on another island is the airport, don't ask me why they put it on another island, to this day I still think it's stupid, and look up references online about the "million dollar bridge to nowhere" and you'll hear politicians mock us, LOL. Those points you're talking about are probably water references for our local harbor (bar harbor, that's sure original if it's named after bar point, LOL). And yes, I guess we have more than a few lakes... hey wait, the leasks have a lake named after them?! LOL. Now I gotta go ask 'em. I know about talbot lake (named after another local long since dead). Here's some local history, Carlanna lake was named after a local couple years ago that lived next to the lake (at the top of carlanna road, LOL), and they were named "Carl and Anna" well people got tired of saying Carl and Anna's road, so they shortened it to Carlanna, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty > close.. and > no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a > Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main > highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the > two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even > see a > couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > upgrading the airport since then? > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly > modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can > explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that > that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the > roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up > there... > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation > called > "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where > the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile > Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There > are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet > Hunt > Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman > Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake > and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and > valleys > that were not named by Google Earth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only > takes up > one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain > forest. > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really > don't > know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the > "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) > don't > ask me where it is though, LOL. > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles > long? > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, > and we > are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport > (yes it > has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), > and the > ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from > Alaska to > both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where > they got > the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get > flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days > just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an > awful job, > it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map > though ;) > Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > > down here in Louisiana. > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > > Wal-Mart. > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > > species... > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > laughing > out loud. > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > island. ;-) > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/>> > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > know them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in > > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people > > > use it. > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also > > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part > > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > <pennafd@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > > in > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they > > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > > was > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > > (like > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > > take > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > > necessary, > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > > one > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra Danio's. Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" range and maybe others that I do not know about. http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was when I assumed they were Danio sized. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy' s. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36648	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Lenny, You mean you missed the FedEx truck parked crooked behind the bar? <g> \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and > no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a > Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main > highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the > two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a > couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > upgrading the airport since then? > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly > modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can > explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that > that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the > roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called > "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where > the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile > Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There > are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt > Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman > Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake > and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys > that were not named by Google Earth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up > one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't > know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the > "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't > ask me where it is though, LOL. > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we > are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it > has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the > ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to > both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got > the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get > flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days > just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, > it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) > Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > > down here in Louisiana. > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > > Wal-Mart. > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > > species... > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing > out loud. > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > island. ;-) > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > know them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in > > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people > > > use it. > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also > > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part > > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > <pennafd@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > > in > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they > > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > > was > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > > (like > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > > take > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > > necessary, > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > > one > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36649	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Darn, caught me ;) LOL Good one though, hehe Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Lenny, > > You mean you missed the FedEx truck parked crooked behind the bar? <g> > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:16 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the > "H" > > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm > re-opening > > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty > close.. and > > no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on > a > > Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the > main > > highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? > > > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on > the > > two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even > see a > > couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" > > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > > upgrading the airport since then? > > > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a > fairly > > modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you > can > > explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like > that > > that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the > > roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up > there... > > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. > LOL). > > > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation > called > > "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" > where > > the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and > 9-mile > > Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. > There > > are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet > Hunt > > Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, > Heckman > > Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot > Lake > > and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and > valleys > > that were not named by Google Earth. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only > takes up > > one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain > forest. > > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really > don't > > know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe > the > > "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) > don't > > ask me where it is though, LOL. > > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles > long? > > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, > and we > > are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport > (yes it > > has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), > and the > > ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from > Alaska to > > both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where > they got > > the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may > get > > flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. > > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving > days > > just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an > awful job, > > it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map > though ;) > > Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island > too. > > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one > of > > > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > > > down here in Louisiana. > > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi > River > > > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > > > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be > a > > > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > > > Wal-Mart. > > > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? > Is > > > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species > of > > > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting > native > > > species... > > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > laughing > > out loud. > > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > > island. ;-) > > > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island > were > > > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > > > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is > "Bar > > > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > > know them.. > > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it > in > > > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how > people > > > > use it. > > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small > walmart. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very > common > > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with > a > > > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I > also > > > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear > 2-part > > > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > greychildren > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was > looking > > > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>>> > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > > <pennafd@...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw > it > > > > > > in > > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what > they > > > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > > > was > > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is > a > > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around > it. > > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for > the > > > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > > > com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want > to > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest > thing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching > of > > > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and > then > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > > > (like > > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as > Discus, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending > to > > > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 > o+) > > > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > > > take > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the > heat > > > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add > 1 > > > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > > > one > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill > it > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water > fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Ahhhh.. OK. I wasn't looking across the waterway from Ketchikan. I see the airport now. I even see what looks like a Boeing 727 parked on the tarmac and I see a parking spot for a second passenger jet next to it, so I guess it is an "International Airport". ;-) I see quite a few corporate jets and Cessna type planes on the ground also so your airport looks more like an airport now.. then when it was just the H-pad. LOL I guess since Google Earth has the roadway street-name template positioned wrong, the "Ketchikan International Airport" name is also positioned wrong as it's positioned directly over that "H" which you have now identified as the emergency helicopter pad. At least that explains things. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL You're looking at our emergancy helicopter pad for the hospital and medi-vac's. To the left, across the water on another island is the airport, don't ask me why they put it on another island, to this day I still think it's stupid, and look up references online about the "million dollar bridge to nowhere" and you'll hear politicians mock us, LOL. Those points you're talking about are probably water references for our local harbor (bar harbor, that's sure original if it's named after bar point, LOL). And yes, I guess we have more than a few lakes... hey wait, the leasks have a lake named after them?! LOL. Now I gotta go ask 'em. I know about talbot lake (named after another local long since dead). Here's some local history, Carlanna lake was named after a local couple years ago that lived next to the lake (at the top of carlanna road, LOL), and they were named "Carl and Anna" well people got tired of saying Carl and Anna's road, so they shortened it to Carlanna, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty > close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google > flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the > waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere > that I'm missing? > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on > the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I > even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called > "the driveway" > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > upgrading the airport since then? > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a > fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE > and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or > something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on > Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the > actual streets up there... > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation > called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are > "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers > Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. > There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, > Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask > Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn > Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of > the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only > takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected > national rain forest. > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really > don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe > the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around > here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles > long? > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, > and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the > airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just > one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats > that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and > inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, > perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside > of Alaska some day? LOL. > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving > days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an > awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map > though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one > > of the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we > > have down here in Louisiana. > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi > > River and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most > > of the time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there > > will be a small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... > > including a Wal-Mart. > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? > > Is BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species > > of fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting > > native species... > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > laughing > out loud. > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > island. ;-) > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island > > were more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it > > looks like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. > > Is "Bar Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/>> > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > know them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36651	From: Dave H.	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

I have made videos instead of pictures of my fishes.  They are precious!!  Since I have joined and you all helped me.  My fish is doing much, much better!!!  I even bought a new gravel that is rainbow color.  Washed them good first, then slowly put them in the tank.  You should have seen my angelfish was so happy, that she even was playing with it!!! She is also happy with the fake plant.  I had to replace it because the other was turning black.  How do I clean the old plant?  Let me know.  I'm learning a lot from this group!! Thanks!! Dave --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Taking photos To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 7:13 PM It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the point and shoot cameras. 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. Then you will need to practice to get it right. 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> 4. Activate the shutter. 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you get it right. There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a session. And more. Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need patience in spades. More information about what equipment you have will get you more specific advice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > edwingardiner@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > Edwin > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36652	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Re

Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There goes all rationality. Joey ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representatives Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation January 27, 2009 The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals should be allowed or prohibited. "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for working to address this global problem." Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive — putting people, domestic pets and native wildlife at risk. Facts * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native bird and lizard populations. * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million amphibians and more than 200 million fish. * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered species may be harmed by trade. _http://www.hsus.http://wwwhttp://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.htt p://www.hsuhttp://www.hhttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_address_exotic_animal_importation_introduc ed_012709.html) ____________________________________ From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the _latest news_ (http://aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) . **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36653	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams

Sorry,   I forgot------------there was suppose to be a large <grin> in there at the end! Can't get my Rams yet, too cold and don't want to take the chance so I suppose I'm just jealous.   A question?  How do you know the difference between what you have and real (if that's the right phrase) German Rams?  Pictures? Where?   Bill --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My rams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:17 PM I never said they were ugly at all, in fact they are my favorite fish in my tank, LOL (for now at least, that can always change, but don't tell the fish! LOL). I just think the german rams are more colorful myself, but these bolivian rams are still pretty, their blue and reds/pinks are nice a contrast to the rest of the tank. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Amber, > > All due respect!!!!! !!!!!! > Rams are NOT ugly fish! > a big fan fan......... ........ > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] My rams > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:37 PM > > Well after looking closely at pictures of rams, I think I actually have > long finned bolivian rams, not german rams like the LFS thought they > were ;) (they were only labeled rams at the LFS, go figure, LOL). > But they are both very happy, so that's what counts. I still think they > are pretty, but the german blue rams are prettier ;) > > Amber > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36654	From: bill1433	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Amber,   Not following the whole thread here but if your going to jump in with both feet, I would strongly suggest a tripod.  They are not too far out cost wise and are a big help for still or video pictures.   Bill --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Taking photos To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:54 PM Amber, Focusing on the glass is because the auto focus feature is being used. More depth of field is needed, which means a higher f/ stop. But, if the auto focus cannot be turned off, he is unlikely to be able to adjust the f/ stop. However, a higher f/ stop means that you will need more light, or a slower speed to get a properly exposed picture, which will lead to a blurry picture, still. 6 megapixels should give you a good 4x6 picture and a fair 8x10 of the fish.. Actually, once you learn how to use it, provided your lens is a decent lens, the optical zoom is better. The digital zoom relies on digital trickery to do the zoom, and you lose some of the picture when you make it larger. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a > friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast > and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I > no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new > ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for > rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have > a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical > zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, > tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a > very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish > than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure > on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he > couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the > glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand > from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. > So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice > pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so > you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they > may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new > cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > > point and shoot cameras. > > > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > > get it right. > > > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > > photography- -long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > > session. And more. > > > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > > patience in spades. > > > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > > specific advice. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > edwingardiner@ ymail.com <mailto:edwingardin er%40ymail. com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Yep... but I see it now... right next to that UPS truck she always complains about being late with deliveries. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL Lenny, You mean you missed the FedEx truck parked crooked behind the bar? <g> \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and > no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a > Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main > highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the > two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a > couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > upgrading the airport since then? > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly > modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can > explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that > that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the > roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called > "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where > the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile > Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There > are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt > Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman > Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake > and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys > that were not named by Google Earth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up > one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't > know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the > "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't > ask me where it is though, LOL. > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we > are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it > has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the > ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to > both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got > the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get > flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days > just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, > it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) > Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > > down here in Louisiana. > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > > Wal-Mart. > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > > species... > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing > out loud. > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > island. ;-) > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > know them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in > > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people > > > use it. > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also > > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part > > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > <pennafd@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > > in > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they > > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > > was > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > > (like > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > > take > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > > necessary, > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > > one > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36656	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Great picture! I like the look on the fishes faces. They are looking at each other like they are surprised. : ) --- On Tue, 1/27/09, dewdude35 <dewdude35@...> wrote: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1841779939 /pic/list here is a link to a pic I took. Lights on, flash on, camera at an angle. followed the fish. Used a sony cybershot 8.1 ... believe me it took alot to pry my old 35mm slr from my fingers, but I really like this little point and shoot. Now that digital technology has met most of my expectations, I hope to soon invest on a good digital SLR, but I am very content with this camera. Take several pics to catch the fish in the right pose for your needs. Good luck. _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36657	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

When you say "turning black", was it algae or ??? In either case, a tooth brush will work and you might have to use a mild 5% bleach solution (1 part bleach to 19 parts water) to get it cleaned good. Then rinse it well and soak it in some water with a heavy dose of dechlor... maybe a teaspoon to a cup or two of water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave H. Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Taking photos I have made videos instead of pictures of my fishes.  They are precious!!  Since I have joined and you all helped me.  My fish is doing much, much better!!!  I even bought a new gravel that is rainbow color.  Washed them good first, then slowly put them in the tank.  You should have seen my angelfish was so happy, that she even was playing with it!!! She is also happy with the fake plant.  I had to replace it because the other was turning black.  How do I clean the old plant?  Let me know.  I'm learning a lot from this group!! Thanks!! Dave --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Taking photos To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 7:13 PM It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the point and shoot cameras. 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. Then you will need to practice to get it right. 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> 4. Activate the shutter. 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you get it right. There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a session. And more. Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need patience in spades. More information about what equipment you have will get you more specific advice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > edwingardiner@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > Edwin

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36658	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter

When I say it "breaks down" I am thinking about turning into mush clay and anything mixed in comes out. It does not stay in the nice little rock sized pieces. What's more, it will dirty the water in the process, at least initially. And I can tell you from experience that most kitty litter is not plain. A lot of the brands claim to simply be clay, but I have a cat who is allergic to the anti-smell stuff they put into kitty litter and a lot of that 100% clay stuff still makes him break out. It is interesting that it will say, 100% clay and then brag about it's anti-smell properties, which generally indicates some sort of additive. To get plain clay, you usually have to purchase organic litter, which costs a great deal more. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: What is "plain" kitty litter going to break down into? It's dried up clay broken up into little pieces. I'm pretty sure it gets wet and then just bonds back together to form wet mushy clay again... the kind that oozes up between your toes when you walk around in a natural lake or pond that has a clay bottom. Here's what Chuck says about it in a snip from... http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/art_ plant_substrate. htm Kitty Litter: Varies greatly by brand. Some are inert, others will drastically alter your water chemistry. Many (all I've tested) will eventually get soft and mushy in water. Not the best substrate but it may not be bad if that's what someone wants and wants a natural looking bottom (not many lakes or ponds have pea gravel or colored gravel for their bottoms.. lol) and they are prepared for any side-effects if their plain kitty litter wasn't so plain. Here's a long thread about Kitty Litter on TheKrib's website which has some positive and a lot of negative replies about clay but usually due to some of the "junk" that might be in the clay, from the source of the clay. http://www.thekrib. com/Plants/ Fertilizer/ cat-litter. html All of this goes back to something I said in another thread... while YouTube has some nice videos, you should also diligently check out what some of them say or show as they never seem to post vids of their tanks six months later or six years later... only right after they set them up, usually overstocked with fish. ALWAYS look at the YouTuber's other videos to see what else they upload and then you can start to see how reliable they might be. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank YES! Kitty litter breaks down. I think the "special" kitty litter the video producer referred to was plain old sand. That is what it looked like close up. I am not sure whether it was play sand or paving sand, but it looked like sand. I have had cats all of my life and I am a gardener who uses sand. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel > which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably > not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the > concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36659	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT

Amber, How did you wind up living there and often do you get off of your little island? I think it would be great to live in a rain forest. You probably have some great critters living in your area! I have to admit I like my freedom to drive long distances and the freedom to travel while not having to pay a fortune for airfares to other places in the country. I am assuming it costs a great deal to fly from there to anywhere just due to your remote location? I live in St. Louis, MO so I can hop in a car and be just about anywhere in a day or two. But, cool life! Send us photos of the critters in your area. : ) Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other room on > your island! ;-) > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > them.. > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your tropical > paradise. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > tank, > and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > center is > only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea > > gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center > > and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed > > the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent > > leaching. > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > > into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > <pennafd@... > > > wrote: > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for > > because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you > > used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one > > of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a > > note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to > > contact you. > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > > fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and > > neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > though, > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > water > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > while > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > 87 > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > as > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > > I > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > had > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > the > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > half > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > tanks.. > > > > > > so > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36660	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon danios" and so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked great in your pictures. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to catch them. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > zebra danio sized. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > empty. I > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36661	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

NOPE. You have to peel off the double stick foam to remove that "glue". Then, they have to be applied when the tank is empty. I did mine when I first got the tank since I knew that I wanted to hide everything as best as possible... although there is an epoxy type product that is fish safe that can be applied under water. I've never used it but maybe someone else has and can advise on it's effectiveness. This MarineDepot page lists a couple of them but they are not clear and epoxies are not easy to remove like the aquarium silicone is, if you ever want to move things around. http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~miscellaneous_epoxy.htm l You would have to move your fish and filter to another holding tank for a couple of days if you want to glue them on with aquarium silicone. I do not know of a silicone type product that can be applied underwater and is fish safe. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Lenny, I have to give you credit, you always have a great idea...... I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow... But, one stupid question....You can just put aquarium silicone on the back, put them in the water and stick them to the tank? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 4:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: When I first got my 65G, I put something like these _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329) in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666) would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. There are also these _http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2255012) which are bigger to hold more stuff. Most of the fish stores sell the suction cup airline tube holders but those are bigger and you can't really get them into the corners of the tank... and they eventually come loose. By using aquarium silicone (instead of epoxy) on the clips I used, I can at least peel/scrape them off if I ever want to reposition them one day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Besides using plants to hide the air stone lines, do you use anything to hold it to the tank going up the side? Suction cups or what? Thanks, Jim **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36662	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter

Well, from other forum threads (in reliable sites) that I've read, the Wal-Mart "brand" "Simply Litter" has been used by aquarists over the years and does not contain anything negative. Some of these threads also mentioned that Hartz has a plain litter that is really plain. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter When I say it "breaks down" I am thinking about turning into mush clay and anything mixed in comes out. It does not stay in the nice little rock sized pieces. What's more, it will dirty the water in the process, at least initially. And I can tell you from experience that most kitty litter is not plain. A lot of the brands claim to simply be clay, but I have a cat who is allergic to the anti-smell stuff they put into kitty litter and a lot of that 100% clay stuff still makes him break out. It is interesting that it will say, 100% clay and then brag about it's anti-smell properties, which generally indicates some sort of additive. To get plain clay, you usually have to purchase organic litter, which costs a great deal more. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: What is "plain" kitty litter going to break down into? It's dried up clay broken up into little pieces. I'm pretty sure it gets wet and then just bonds back together to form wet mushy clay again... the kind that oozes up between your toes when you walk around in a natural lake or pond that has a clay bottom. Here's what Chuck says about it in a snip from... http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/art_ plant_substrate. htm Kitty Litter: Varies greatly by brand. Some are inert, others will drastically alter your water chemistry. Many (all I've tested) will eventually get soft and mushy in water. Not the best substrate but it may not be bad if that's what someone wants and wants a natural looking bottom (not many lakes or ponds have pea gravel or colored gravel for their bottoms.. lol) and they are prepared for any side-effects if their plain kitty litter wasn't so plain. Here's a long thread about Kitty Litter on TheKrib's website which has some positive and a lot of negative replies about clay but usually due to some of the "junk" that might be in the clay, from the source of the clay. http://www.thekrib. com/Plants/ Fertilizer/ cat-litter. html All of this goes back to something I said in another thread... while YouTube has some nice videos, you should also diligently check out what some of them say or show as they never seem to post vids of their tanks six months later or six years later... only right after they set them up, usually overstocked with fish. ALWAYS look at the YouTuber's other videos to see what else they upload and then you can start to see how reliable they might be. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank YES! Kitty litter breaks down. I think the "special" kitty litter the video producer referred to was plain old sand. That is what it looked like close up. I am not sure whether it was play sand or paving sand, but it looked like sand. I have had cats all of my life and I am a gardener who uses sand. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel > which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably > not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the > concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36663	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Hey Lenny, I found the "official" Ketchikan website maps. They'll show you what's what in town. You might compare them to Google Earth to get a little better oriented. I do look forward to downloading Google Earth and checking out the world from a whole new point of view! Did you see any Sea Otters from the coast when you were checking out Ketchikan from Google Earth? Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money upgrading the airport since then? Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska) . I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > down here in Louisiana. > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > Wal-Mart. > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > species... > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start laughing out loud. > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > island. ;-) > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ <http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > know them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in > > a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people > > use it. > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a > > > pea gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the > > > garden center and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also > > > would have sealed the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part > > > epoxy to prevent leaching. > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G > > > tank into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking > > > into backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI>>> > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > <pennafd@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it > > > > in > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it > > > there because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new > > > one to the collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they > > > used it for because it would give you an idea about how to clean > > > it before you used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do > > > that. If you get one of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an > > > alternative, you could leave a note on the door with your phone > > > number and leave it up to them to contact you. > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It > > > > was > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I > > > first got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the > > > oder fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail > > > tetras and neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. > > > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > though, > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > water > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to > > > > go > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing > > > > to > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of > > > > silicone > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and > > > > uncontrollably > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it > > > > half-strength > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four > > > > days > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > while > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o > > > > (like > > > 87 > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. > > > > This > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, > > > > as > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may > > > > take > > > as > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely > > > > necessary, > > > I > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 > > > > Tbs > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 > > > > gallons > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, > > > > but I > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some > > > > > one > > > had > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > the > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove > > > > > it > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > half > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co > > > > > worker > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had > > > > > Any > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the > > > > > clown > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to get them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL could be interesting ;) My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" video ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36665	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Yeah, and if you ever have to use GPS while at the airport, it tells you that you're standing in the water, LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Ahhhh.. OK. I wasn't looking across the waterway from Ketchikan. I see the > airport now. I even see what looks like a Boeing 727 parked on the tarmac > and I see a parking spot for a second passenger jet next to it, so I guess > it is an "International Airport". ;-) I see quite a few corporate jets and > Cessna type planes on the ground also so your airport looks more like an > airport now.. then when it was just the H-pad. LOL > > I guess since Google Earth has the roadway street-name template positioned > wrong, the "Ketchikan International Airport" name is also positioned wrong > as it's positioned directly over that "H" which you have now identified as > the emergency helicopter pad. At least that explains things. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > You're looking at our emergancy helicopter pad for the hospital and > medi-vac's. To the left, across the water on another island is the > airport, > don't ask me why they put it on another island, to this day I still think > it's stupid, and look up references online about the "million dollar > bridge > to nowhere" and you'll hear politicians mock us, LOL. > Those points you're talking about are probably water references for our > local harbor (bar harbor, that's sure original if it's named after bar > point, LOL). > And yes, I guess we have more than a few lakes... hey wait, the leasks > have > a lake named after them?! LOL. Now I gotta go ask 'em. I know about talbot > lake (named after another local long since dead). > Here's some local history, Carlanna lake was named after a local couple > years ago that lived next to the lake (at the top of carlanna road, LOL), > and they were named "Carl and Anna" well people got tired of saying > Carl and > Anna's road, so they shortened it to Carlanna, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty > > close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google > > flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the > > waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere > > that I'm missing? > > > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on > > the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I > > even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called > > "the driveway" > > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > > upgrading the airport since then? > > > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a > > fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE > > and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or > > something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on > > Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the > > actual streets up there... > > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation > > called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are > > "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers > > Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. > > There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, > > Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask > > Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn > > Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of > > the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only > > takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected > > national rain forest. > > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really > > don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe > > the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around > > here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. > > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles > > long? > > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, > > and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the > > airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just > > one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats > > that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and > > inter-Alaska). I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, > > perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside > > of Alaska some day? LOL. > > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving > > days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an > > awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map > > though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one > > > of the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we > > > have down here in Louisiana. > > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi > > > River and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most > > > of the time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there > > > will be a small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... > > > including a Wal-Mart. > > > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? > > > Is BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species > > > of fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting > > > native species... > > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > > laughing > > out loud. > > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > > island. ;-) > > > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island > > > were more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it > > > looks like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. > > > Is "Bar Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > > http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/>> > > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/> > <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/ <http://www.visit-ketchikan.com/>>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > > know them.. > > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36666	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My rams

Ahh well that makes more sense now Bill ;) LOL. I was comparing my ram pics in the group photos (Amber Berglund) to this ram for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram-Bolivian-Ruby-Clown-live-freshwater-cichlid-2-5_W0QQitemZ270332796618QQihZ017QQcategoryZ66795QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 I'm pretty sure they're the same fish, mine are more colorful in person than the pics but those are pretty good pics of them Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Sorry, > > I forgot------------there was suppose to be a large <grin> in there at > the end! > Can't get my Rams yet, too cold and don't want to take the chance > so I suppose I'm just jealous. A question? How do you know the > difference > between what you have and real (if that's the right phrase) German > Rams? Pictures? > Where? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My rams > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:17 PM > > I never said they were ugly at all, in fact they are my favorite fish in > my tank, LOL (for now at least, that can always change, but don't tell > the fish! LOL). > I just think the german rams are more colorful myself, but these > bolivian rams are still pretty, their blue and reds/pinks are nice a > contrast to the rest of the tank. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Amber, > > > > All due respect!!!!! !!!!!! > > Rams are NOT ugly fish! > > a big fan fan......... ........ > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] My rams > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:37 PM > > > > Well after looking closely at pictures of rams, I think I actually have > > long finned bolivian rams, not german rams like the LFS thought they > > were ;) (they were only labeled rams at the LFS, go figure, LOL). > > But they are both very happy, so that's what counts. I still think they > > are pretty, but the german blue rams are prettier ;) > > > > Amber > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

My hubby has one, but I tend to forget to go grab it most of the time, LOL Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Amber, > > Not following the whole thread here but if your going to jump in with > both feet, > I would strongly suggest a tripod. They are not too far out cost wise > and are a big help > for still or video pictures. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:54 PM > > Amber, > > Focusing on the glass is because the auto focus feature is being used. > More depth of field is needed, which means a higher f/ stop. But, if > the auto focus cannot be turned off, he is unlikely to be able to > adjust the f/ stop. However, a higher f/ stop means that you will need > more light, or a slower speed to get a properly exposed picture, which > will lead to a blurry picture, still. > > 6 megapixels should give you a good 4x6 picture and a fair 8x10 of the > fish.. > > Actually, once you learn how to use it, provided your lens is a decent > lens, the optical zoom is better. The digital zoom relies on digital > trickery to do the zoom, and you lose some of the picture when you > make it larger. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:23 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a > > friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast > > and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I > > no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new > > ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for > > rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have > > a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical > > zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, > > tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a > > very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish > > than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure > > on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he > > couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the > > glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand > > from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. > > So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice > > pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so > > you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they > > may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new > > cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > > > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > > > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > > > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > > > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > > > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > > > > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > > > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > > > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > > > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > > > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > > > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > > > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > > > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > > > > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > > > point and shoot cameras. > > > > > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > > > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > > > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > > > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > > > > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > > > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > > > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > > > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > > > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > > > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > > > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > > > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > > > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > > > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > > > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > > > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > > > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > > > > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > > > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > > > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > > > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > > > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > > > > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > > > > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > > > get it right. > > > > > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > > > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > > > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > > > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > > > > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > > > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > > > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > > > photography- -long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > > > session. And more. > > > > > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > > > patience in spades. > > > > > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > > > specific advice. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of > > > > edwingardiner@ ymail.com <mailto:edwingardin er%40ymail. com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not > been > > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to the reply & if > > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36668	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

You should start an online petition that could then be sent to our esteemed (cough!) Congressmen and Congresswomen letting them know that we oppose this. I'll have to head over to Congress' website and put a monitor on this bill to see how's it doing in committee. I actively participate in organized petition campaigns involving other political issues but I'm not sure if this would be a partisan issue or not... but I'm betting the red state's congressmen/women would be more likely to vote against something like this. Sorry Mike.. over there on the left-coast... your State doesn't have a prayer at voting against this one. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:23 PM To: AfricanFinches@yahoogroups.com Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; anubiasdeisgn@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There goes all rationality. Joey ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representatives Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation January 27, 2009 The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals should be allowed or prohibited. "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for working to address this global problem." Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - putting people, domestic pets and native wildlife at risk. Facts * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native bird and lizard populations. * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million amphibians and more than 200 million fish. * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered species may be harmed by trade. _http://www.hsus.http://wwwhttp://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.h tt p://www.hsuhttp://www.hhttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_address_e xotic_animal_importation_introduc ed_012709.html)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36669	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT

My mom moved up here when I was 5, to be with my real father (who is now gone and they divorced long ago, shortly after she got here, LOL). The last time I left was in July for my wedding in Idaho (ugh it was hot in July there, over 100). I don't tend to get off "the rock" (as it's called by locals) very often, maybe once a year if I'm lucky. It's definitely beautiful here, very green, mostly small wildlife as the big ones have to swim here, LOL. We have black bears and deer, and other small animals, no snakes though! LOL. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Amber, > > How did you wind up living there and often do you get off of your > little island? I think it would be great to live in a rain forest. You > probably have some great critters living in your area! > > I have to admit I like my freedom to drive long distances and the > freedom to travel while not having to pay a fortune for airfares to > other places in the country. I am assuming it costs a great deal to > fly from there to anywhere just due to your remote location? I live in > St. Louis, MO so I can hop in a car and be just about anywhere in a > day or two. > > But, cool life! Send us photos of the critters in your area. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get > > too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it > > may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone > > starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > room on > > > your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > > > them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > tropical > > > paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > > > tank, > > > and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > center is > > > only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea > > > > gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center > > > > and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed > > > > the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent > > > > leaching. > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > > > > into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > > > > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > <pennafd@... > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > > > > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > > > > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for > > > > because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you > > > > used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one > > > > of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a > > > > note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to > > > > contact you. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > > > > fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and > > > > neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL Hey Lenny, I found the "official" Ketchikan website maps. They'll show you what's what in town. You might compare them to Google Earth to get a little better oriented. I do look forward to downloading Google Earth and checking out the world from a whole new point of view! Did you see any Sea Otters from the coast when you were checking out Ketchikan from Google Earth? Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money upgrading the airport since then? Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska) . I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > down here in Louisiana. > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > Wal-Mart. > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > species... > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > laughing out loud. > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > island. ;-) > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ <http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > know them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36671	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Ketchikan- Amber's life OT

If there are no snakes, count me in! --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: My mom moved up here when I was 5, to be with my real father (who is now gone and they divorced long ago, shortly after she got here, LOL). The last time I left was in July for my wedding in Idaho (ugh it was hot in July there, over 100). I don't tend to get off "the rock" (as it's called by locals) very often, maybe once a year if I'm lucky. It's definitely beautiful here, very green, mostly small wildlife as the big ones have to swim here, LOL. We have black bears and deer, and other small animals, no snakes though! LOL. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Amber, > > How did you wind up living there and often do you get off of your > little island? I think it would be great to live in a rain forest. You > probably have some great critters living in your area! > > I have to admit I like my freedom to drive long distances and the > freedom to travel while not having to pay a fortune for airfares to > other places in the country. I am assuming it costs a great deal to > fly from there to anywhere just due to your remote location? I live in > St. Louis, MO so I can hop in a car and be just about anywhere in a > day or two. > > But, cool life! Send us photos of the critters in your area. : ) > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't get > > too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the warmest it > > may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it his 70 everyone > > starts complaining, LOL. > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > room on > > > your island! ;-) > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you know > > > them.. > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > tropical > > > paradise. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:29 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a > > > tank, > > > and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. > > > My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden > > > center is > > > only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > > > > bottom for natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea > > > > gravel which should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center > > > > and probably not much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed > > > > the concrete/foam background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent > > > > leaching. > > > > > > > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > > > > into a 6G tank". LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of greychildren > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:46 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > I will bleach it and re seal it with silicon.. also i was looking into > > > > backgrounds for the tank and i came across this video in > > > > youtube..looks good but kitty litter as gravel? > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI > > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Es76DnaQDwI> > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Debra Penna-Fredericks > > > > <pennafd@... > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would just go knock on the door and tell the people you saw it in > > > > the trash and rescued it. Tell them you were thrilled to see it there > > > > because you have other aquariums and always welcome a new one to the > > > > collection! Then tell them you just wondered what they used it for > > > > because it would give you an idea about how to clean it before you > > > > used it. -- Most people would not mind if you do that. If you get one > > > > of the grumpy folks, well, oops! As an alternative, you could leave a > > > > note on the door with your phone number and leave it up to them to > > > > contact you. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I also have bleached used aquariums in the past. It was > > > > under the advice of the Now ex) husband of my best friend who is a > > > > marine biologist. He was a great friend to have around when I first > > > > got into this hobby! > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like i had been sitting in a porch some were i > > > > had leaf mater and even some nails inside it and concrete around it. > > > > I'm going to try the temp for 4 more days I'm also afraid for the oder > > > > fish and shrimp in the tank like my danios, head and tail tetras and > > > > neon tetras platies and sword tails. ghost shrimp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice find on that tank. Can you be at least somewhat assured > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > that this tank was used only for fish? Did it have any gravel, > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > or aquatic plant matter left in the bottom? You may not want to go > > > > > > > > > > back to that residence and ask, but it might be the safest thing to > > > > > > > > > > do. Barring that rather embarassing situation (LOL), if you're > > > > > > > > > > unsure you might want to consider laying a fresh bead of silicone > > > > > > > > > > over all the seams (inside) to prevent any possible leaching of > > > > > > > > > > reptile or mammal urine which would consistantly and uncontrollably > > > > > > > > > > raise the ammonia to toxic levels for fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the Ich issue on the Clown Loaches, you're very lucky the > > > > > > > > > > Malachite Green did not kill them, unless you used it half-strength > > > > > > > > > > (and then, I would not even consider it for these fish). Four days > > > > > > > > > > for the heat treatment on Ich is not near enough time, and then > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > it should not be necessary, you may raise it to a GOOD 86 o (like > > > > 87 > > > > > > > > > > o) to ensure correctness in the event your thermometer is off. This > > > > > > > > > > is one species that can tolerate almost as much heat as Discus, as > > > > > > > > > > they're still comfortable at 92 o -- but I'm not recommending to > > > > > > > > > > raise it to that. You need to maintain this temperature (86 o+) > > > > > > > > > > until 3 DAYS AFTER YOU SEE NO MORE SIGNS OF ICH -- which may take > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long as 10 days. Salt is usually recommended along with the heat > > > > > > > > > > (which aids this process), but since it's not absolutely necessary, > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD NOT USE IT with Clown Loaches. If you want, you may add 1 Tbs > > > > > > > > > > of salt per 7 gallons. Cory's will do fine at 1 Tbs per 5 gallons > > > > > > > > > > (but not much more, and Loaches may do as well with that too, but I > > > > > > > > > > hesitate to recommend that dosage. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" > > > > <greychildren@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was driving the oder day around the neighborhood and some one > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > drooped a 55g tank in the trash pile.. Jackpot(like the kid in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nila commercial). so i pick it up put it in my car and drove it > > > > > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > Only the tank no hood stand or filters. The next day i fill it > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > way with water to check for leacks..none were found...A co worker > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mine offered yesterday a 60g meriland filter that he had won last > > > > > > > > > > > week in some fish contest( co worker only keeps salt water > > > > tanks.. > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > here is were i need help... I was wondering if you guys had Any > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > for me in my new set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time i will like some more colorfully fresh water fishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW Lenny i got a 200w heater for my 40g raised the temp in the > > > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > to 86f to kill the ick for 4 days an it did not work on the clown > > > > > > > > > > > loaches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i tried melachine green also did not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the quarantine in bucket did not work ether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36672	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter

I thought I had tried them all, but this is good to know. I'll check them out. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Well, from other forum threads (in reliable sites) that I've read, the Wal-Mart "brand" "Simply Litter" has been used by aquarists over the years and does not contain anything negative. Some of these threads also mentioned that Hartz has a plain litter that is really plain. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:13 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter When I say it "breaks down" I am thinking about turning into mush clay and anything mixed in comes out. It does not stay in the nice little rock sized pieces. What's more, it will dirty the water in the process, at least initially. And I can tell you from experience that most kitty litter is not plain. A lot of the brands claim to simply be clay, but I have a cat who is allergic to the anti-smell stuff they put into kitty litter and a lot of that 100% clay stuff still makes him break out. It is interesting that it will say, 100% clay and then brag about it's anti-smell properties, which generally indicates some sort of additive. To get plain clay, you usually have to purchase organic litter, which costs a great deal more. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: What is "plain" kitty litter going to break down into? It's dried up clay broken up into little pieces. I'm pretty sure it gets wet and then just bonds back together to form wet mushy clay again... the kind that oozes up between your toes when you walk around in a natural lake or pond that has a clay bottom. Here's what Chuck says about it in a snip from... http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/art_ plant_substrate. htm Kitty Litter: Varies greatly by brand. Some are inert, others will drastically alter your water chemistry. Many (all I've tested) will eventually get soft and mushy in water. Not the best substrate but it may not be bad if that's what someone wants and wants a natural looking bottom (not many lakes or ponds have pea gravel or colored gravel for their bottoms.. lol) and they are prepared for any side-effects if their plain kitty litter wasn't so plain. Here's a long thread about Kitty Litter on TheKrib's website which has some positive and a lot of negative replies about clay but usually due to some of the "junk" that might be in the clay, from the source of the clay. http://www.thekrib. com/Plants/ Fertilizer/ cat-litter. html All of this goes back to something I said in another thread... while YouTube has some nice videos, you should also diligently check out what some of them say or show as they never seem to post vids of their tanks six months later or six years later... only right after they set them up, usually overstocked with fish. ALWAYS look at the YouTuber's other videos to see what else they upload and then you can start to see how reliable they might be. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank YES! Kitty litter breaks down. I think the "special" kitty litter the video producer referred to was plain old sand. That is what it looked like close up. I am not sure whether it was play sand or paving sand, but it looked like sand. I have had cats all of my life and I am a gardener who uses sand. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> wrote: Does kitty litter break down at all? I've never thought to use it in a tank, and probably never would, but I was curious about how people use it. My walmart doesn't have pea gravel but that's because their garden center is only 1 or 2 rows long ;) LOL. We have a very small walmart. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Plain kitty litter is simply clay which happens to be very common > bottom for > natural ponds/lakes. I would have probably gone with a pea gravel > which > should also be available at Wal-Mart in the garden center and probably > not > much more than kitty litter. I also would have sealed the > concrete/foam > background with a clear 2-part epoxy to prevent leaching. > > Another title for this vid could have been... "How to turn a 10G tank > into a > 6G tank". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36673	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Okay, got it. For otter pictures I need Amber or Jack Bauer. Hey Amber, do you know Jack, personally or is it a coincidence that the two of you have the same abilities to give us access to these rare pictures? Deb P --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:06 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL Hey Lenny, I found the "official" Ketchikan website maps. They'll show you what's what in town. You might compare them to Google Earth to get a little better oriented. I do look forward to downloading Google Earth and checking out the world from a whole new point of view! Did you see any Sea Otters from the coast when you were checking out Ketchikan from Google Earth? Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty close.. and no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even see a couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money upgrading the airport since then? Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up there... most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation called "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet Hunt Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and valleys that were not named by Google Earth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only takes up one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain forest. They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really don't know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) don't ask me where it is though, LOL. Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles long? we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, and we are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport (yes it has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), and the ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from Alaska to both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska) . I have no idea where they got the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an awful job, it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map though ;) Most of them are frozen this time of year. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > down here in Louisiana. > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > Wal-Mart. > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > species... > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > laughing out loud. > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > island. ;-) > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ <http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/> > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > know them.. > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > tropical paradise. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36674	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting them and you must be excited to finally get them. I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to get them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL could be interesting ;) My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" video ;) Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36675	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

I think office supply stores also sell wire guides. Deb P --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jpateson@... <Jpateson@...> wrote: Lenny, I have to give you credit, you always have a great idea...... I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow... But, one stupid question.... You can just put aquarium silicone on the back, put them in the water and stick them to the tank? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 4:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@gmail. com writes: When I first got my 65G, I put something like these _http://www.radiosha http://www. radihttp: //wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: //_ (http://www.radiosha ck.com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2103329) in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These _http://www.radiosha http://www. radihttp: //wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: //_ (http://www.radiosha ck.com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2062666) would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. There are also these _http://www.radiosha http://www. radihttp: //wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: //_ (http://www.radiosha ck.com/product/ index.jsp? productId= 2255012) which are bigger to hold more stuff. Most of the fish stores sell the suction cup airline tube holders but those are bigger and you can't really get them into the corners of the tank... and they eventually come loose. By using aquarium silicone (instead of epoxy) on the clips I used, I can at least peel/scrape them off if I ever want to reposition them one day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny. http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@ AquaticLife@ Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com) [mailto:_AquaticLif e@AquaticLife@ Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: _AquaticLife@ AquaticLife@ Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Besides using plants to hide the air stone lines, do you use anything to hold it to the tank going up the side? Suction cups or what? Thanks, Jim ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36676	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

Lenny, I'll look into epoxies.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 11:02:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: NOPE. You have to peel off the double stick foam to remove that "glue". Then, they have to be applied when the tank is empty. I did mine when I first got the tank since I knew that I wanted to hide everything as best as possible... although there is an epoxy type product that is fish safe that can be applied under water. I've never used it but maybe someone else has and can advise on it's effectiveness. This MarineDepot page lists a couple of them but they are not clear and epoxies are not easy to remove like the aquarium silicone is, if you ever want to move things around. _http://www.marinedehttp://www.http://www.mahttp://wwwhttp://www.marhttp://ww_ (http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~miscellaneous_epoxy.htm) l You would have to move your fish and filter to another holding tank for a couple of days if you want to glue them on with aquarium silicone. I do not know of a silicone type product that can be applied underwater and is fish safe. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Lenny, I have to give you credit, you always have a great idea...... I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow... But, one stupid question....Radio Shack aquarium silicone on the back, put them in the water and stick them to the tank? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 4:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: When I first got my 65G, I put something like these __http://www.radioshahttp://www.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_) (_http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329) ) in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These __http://www.radioshahttp://www.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_) (_http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666) ) would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. There are also these __http://www.radioshahttp://www.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_) (_http://www.radioshahttp://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2255012) ) which are bigger to hold more stuff. Most of the fish stores sell the suction cup airline tube holders but those are bigger and you can't really get them into the corners of the tank... and they eventually come loose. By using aquarium silicone (instead of epoxy) on the clips I used, I can at least peel/scrape them off if I ever want to reposition them one day. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36677	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Yeah, I did not jump on that deal when the LFS owner offered it to me. I have a 55g tank and he initially was going to have me use 2 24 inch hoods until I asked about the wattage. He said they only have 18 watts each. Oooh. Okay, I need more than that. I'll keep looking if my other choice is the long hood plus an extra $67! Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: $67 dollars additional for lights? And to think, years ago we used to row such plants in a darkish area with a bulb for lighting that cost us less than a dollar. Even as a kid, I could afford that. Oh, and for that minimal effort, I had my first aquatic plant bloom in that setup. I guess it wuz jist that we wuzn't all that smart back then. You should be able to do just fine with your current lighting for low light type plants. If you use the plant lights (Gro-Lux and such) you will be using a light that could make some colors of your fish stand out more. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need > the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if > I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. > The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank-stand. html when I > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36678	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Really good to know. I think the $67 may have included a plant light fixture for the 55g, but it seems clear I do not need that. I should be able to use the same bulbs I already use for indoor plant growth. I'll see what the maximum wattage is for the hood fixture and then check on the lumens per watts for some bulbs. I admit that the lumens info you sent before lost me. Maybe my brain will be up to looking at it again soon. I have chemo brain so that's my excuse. It really does impact thinking at times, honest! Thanks, Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Sounds like another ploy from your LFS to try to get you to spend more of your money there, unnecessarily. No. you don't need to spend $67 on bulbs for low light plants, provided your aquarium hood will accomodate the regular size T-12 bulbs (they're a bit larger in diameter than the T-5's, T-8's and T-10's that are also used in the aquarium trade). Many aquarium fixtures are designed for T-12's though, and you can install and comparable bulb to your needs. Some hobbyists use just regular Cool White Fluorescents found in their local hardware store (@ $2 each), with decent results with low light plants, although Daylight bulbs are more beneficial -- and don't cost very much more. As Lenny pointed out, some hobbyists 4' use shop lights. I use these fixtures over aisles of tank racks, with one Cool White Bulb and one Warm White bulb and get fine growth in my low light plants. There are other fluorescent bulbs more suited to plants, but you need to consider their lighting effects on your viewing vs the needthe plants. Still, as long as your fixture also holds "regular" bulbs, many of these can still be used without affecting their appearance to your eye. Sylvania makes a special bulb designed primarily for plants, called "Gro-Lux." GE has an equivilent bulb they call "Gro-N-Sho." These are an improvement for plant growth over ordinary bulbs and don't cost that much more, although they do have a slight purplish cast. An improvement over these are the Glo-Lux Wide Spectrum bulbs; they cast a slightly pinkish light, but again along with regular bulbs should not affect the appearance of your fish. There are Full Spectrum bulbs such as DuroTest's "Vita-Lite," GE's "Chroma 50," Philips' "Colortone 50" and Sylvania's "Designer 5000K" which offer about the best spectrum for your plants (and for lighting your fish more naturally), for the price, as opposed to having to spend $67 -- and they do not cost all that much more (usually around $10, OR LESS). While you can find many of these at your LFS (telling you that they're fine for aquarium use), they can be found at Home Depot or Loews at half the price. The 4' tubes are the least least expensive for the lumens produced as they're the most commonly used size. Ray ---In AquaticLife groups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > wrote: > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet away and are east windows. > > Deb P > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a strategy to > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live plants in with > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other plants in my > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the goldfish > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank maintenance, I > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots so I can > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without having to > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel just holds > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank. > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the gravel. > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove them > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had plants like > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the years. I > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since these seem > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more easily. > > > > Here's my 65G > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank- stand. html when I > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to the bottom > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, driftwood, etc., > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, the > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 years > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch the image > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I believe > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ details.php? id=71 > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the anacharis. For > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to recover, > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots and then > > re-plant it. > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I promised.. with > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be spread > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only have a > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. Listed in > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final decisions. > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. aspx > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, I've heard > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to unexpectedly high > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get everything > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check with the > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their image.. or > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat packages that > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for 12 > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to eat > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36679	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

I've been watching them the last hour (in between a filter cleaning, hehe), so far they don't seem inclined to go where there isn't any water, so unless they really want out for some reason (icky water or something) I shouldn't have to worry. Just in case I dropped the tank water a little too, so they have further air space to climb before the edge of the tank I took some pics of them in the bag, when they settle down a little I will try taking individual pics. There are 6 of the little guys, and they are quite active in the tank, zooming all over the place, not sure if they are just getting their barings or if they will always be that active. They are young though, probably just getting their adult shape/colors (the babies are shaped differently). Oh and they weren't easy to get out of the bag, after pouring the water out over a net (over a bucket) they were still stuck in the bag, so I had to refill the bag in the tank and shake it until they came out, LOL. Some of them were a little more stubborn than others and required more coaxing to get out of the bag ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting > them and you must be excited to finally get them. > > I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the > bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag > in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to > swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside > and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. > > I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least > temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but > > that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to get > > them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how > > hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL > > could be interesting ;) > > My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the > > morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" > > video ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36680	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Don't know Jack Bauer sorry ;) LOL. I guess it's just a coincidence, hehe Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Okay, got it. For otter pictures I need Amber or Jack Bauer. Hey > Amber, do you know Jack, personally or is it a coincidence that the > two of you have the same abilities to give us access to these rare > pictures? > > Deb P > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > it's > > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > wandering > > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > Earth, you > > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Hey Lenny, > > I found the "official" Ketchikan website maps. They'll show you what's > what > > in town. You might compare them to Google Earth to get a little better > > oriented. > > I do look forward to downloading Google Earth and checking out the world > > from a whole new point of view! Did you see any Sea Otters from the coast > > when you were checking out Ketchikan from Google Earth? > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > Where is the runway? I could clearly see the helicopter LZ with the "H" > > painted on the pad but I did not see a runway anywhere. I'm re-opening > > Google Earth for a closer inspection but I was zoomed in pretty > close.. and > > no, I did not see any FedEx trucks anywhere. Maybe Google flew by on a > > Sunday? LOL Now, the "H" pad is located between the waterway and the main > > highway.. is there another airport somewhere that I'm missing? > > OK... I'm looking at the "H" again and I can see cars driving by on the > > two-lane road that runs along side the "airport".. still LOL... I even > see a > > couple of cars parked in the asphalt area that I called "the driveway" > > earlier but I do NOT see a runway any where, nor any planes.. and no > > helicopter either. OK.. I just noticed that apparently this flyover > > satellite imagery was from 2007 so maybe y'all spent a bunch of money > > upgrading the airport since then? > > Do you have Google Earth on your puter? If you don't and you have a fairly > > modern puter, it's an interesting program to download for FREE and you can > > explore places much better than using Google Maps or something like that > > that also shows aerial views. You need to get on Google though.. the > > roadway overlay doesn't match up with any of the actual streets up > there... > > most of the time, Tongass Hwy. is running out near the middle of the > > waterway (separate private email sent concerning more about this.. LOL). > > "Bar Point" is just east of the Marina and I see another designation > called > > "Charcoal Point" just west of the Marina so maybe these are "points" where > > the waterway turns. We have them down here like Algiers Point and 9-mile > > Point where the Mississippi River makes sharp turns. > > Y'all have more than several lakes.. umm.. ice skating rinks. Some of > > pretty big ones look like Upper Ketchikan and Lower Ketchikan lakes. There > > are Carlanna Lake, Perseverance Lake, Connell Lake, Ward Lake, Harriet > Hunt > > Lake, Emery Tobin Lake, Upper and Lower Wolf Lakes, Leask Lake, Heckman > > Lake, North & South Saddle Lakes, Salt Lagoon, Buckhorn Lake, Talbot Lake > > and countless other smaller lakes formed in all of the mountains and > valleys > > that were not named by Google Earth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > We are actually surrounded by the ocean on all sides, the town only > takes up > > one side of the island as the other side is protected national rain > forest. > > They named a lot of our towns after presidents, but honestly I really > don't > > know how they got the road named from Don King, LOL. > > To be honest i don't even know where "Bar point" is, LOL. I believe the > > "coast guard beach" is the big party area for teenagers around here ;) > don't > > ask me where it is though, LOL. > > Our island is big, yes, I think it's 60 miles wide and maybe 80 miles > long? > > we have 60 miles of road, spanning all along one side of the island, > and we > > are completely isolated except for the ferry's for both the airport > (yes it > > has a runway, not just a helicopter pad, LOL, but just one runway), > and the > > ferry for the Alaska Marine Highway (ferry boats that travel from > Alaska to > > both Canada and Washington and inter-Alaska) . I have no idea where > they got > > the name for the airport, perhaps it was wishful thinking that we may get > > flights from outside of Alaska some day? LOL. > > I feel like a tour guide all of a sudden, I think the old cab driving days > > just kicked in ;) (yes, we have 3 cab companies even, but it's an > awful job, > > it's like bottom of the barrel for jobs here, LOL). > > We have several lakes, don't ask me to name them all without a map > though ;) > > Most of them are frozen this time of year. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > OK.. I just flew by... didn't see you waving though. lol > > > > > > That's not an island... unless you also call Australia an island too. > > > ;-) Heck, if you're on an island, then so am I since New Orleans is > > > technically surrounded by waterways also. Your town looks like one of > > > the many River Road towns, bayou towns and waterfront towns we have > > > down here in Louisiana. > > > We have "River Roads" that run on both sides of the Mississippi River > > > and on most sides of the many large bayous down here... most of the > > > time, just two-lane roads and then every 20-50 miles, there will be a > > > small city/town with it's own microcosm of America... including a > > > Wal-Mart. > > > > > > Now I have to ask... how did your Wal-Mart end up on Don King Road? Is > > > BIG hair a trademark up there? lol > > > > > > I saw what looks like close to 100 lakes on your island... or would > > > that be skating rinks? Have you ever looked for any native species of > > > fish up there? Check out NANFA.org for more info on collecting native > > > species... > > > I'm guessing they would all be cold-water species but at least you > > > wouldn't have to worry about heaters if the power goes out. ;-) > > > > > > Heck.. you even have Ketchikan International Airport.... and then I > > > zoomed in on it and saw it was only a helicopter landing pad with a > > > driveway leading to it off the main road. LOL I really did start > > > laughing > > out loud. > > > LOL How did y'all get Google Earth to put the name "Ketchikan > > > International Airport" for that? OK.. maybe you really do live on an > > > island. ;-) > > > > > > Now some of them smaller islands to the northwest of your island were > > > more what I was thinking of your island... but either way, it looks > > > like a cool place to visit and I saw quite a few campgrounds. Is "Bar > > > Point" like the big party area of Ketchikan? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:41 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > > com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My first 55g tank > > > > > > Paradise is not the word for it, unless you LOVE rain, LOL. It's a > > > temperate rainforest, so the temps are usually in the 50's we don't > > > get too hot, and we don't get too cold either. In the summer the > > > warmest it may get is in the low 80's and that's very rare, when it > > > his 70 everyone starts complaining, LOL. > > > The name of the town is Ketchikan, the name of the island is > > > Revilladagigallo and yes, I may have spelled that wrong, LOL. > > > Info in case you ever want to know anything about our town ;) > > > http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/ <http://www.visit- ketchikan. com/> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > If you had a BIG Wal-Mart SuperCenter, you wouldn't have any other > > > > room on your island! ;-) > > > > > > > > BTW.. what is your islands name.. or city.. or GPS points if you > > > > know them.. > > > > lol? I might have to take a Google Earth trip and check out your > > > > tropical paradise. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36681	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Really what you need to look for in bulbs is how powerful they are (watts) and then what color spectrum they produce for the plants. The boxes have a little chart on them that has a graph of the color spectrum, you want red and blue coloring (the more the merrier for plants), green is not important except for how everything looks (makes the plants look greener but does nothing for them). So I just look at the graphs on the boxes to see what bulbs I should buy now, much easier than figuring out lumens. Most plant bulbs are labeled somewhere in the 5500 to 7500 kelvin range, that's also on the box. But this kelvin range is tricky, it's based on how WE HUMANS see colors, it's not actually what the bulb produces for colors/brightness, so basically it can look different to any person. There's one other factor for buying bulbs but I forget what the term was, and I don't know if it's on the box anyways, it's some rating on how pure the light is, it's on a scale of 1-100, most bulbs range from 80-90 something at best (I think it's called the CR rating, but I'm really not sure without looking it up). Gro-lux bulbs are supposed to be really good for plants. Hope this isn't too confusing, LOL Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Really good to know. I think the $67 may have included a plant light > fixture for the 55g, but it seems clear I do not need that. I should > be able to use the same bulbs I already use for indoor plant growth. > I'll see what the maximum wattage is for the hood fixture and then > check on the lumens per watts for some bulbs. > > I admit that the lumens info you sent before lost me. Maybe my brain > will be up to looking at it again soon. I have chemo brain so that's > my excuse. It really does impact thinking at times, honest! > > Thanks, > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@... > <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com>> wrote: > > Sounds like another ploy from your LFS to try to get you to spend > > more of your money there, unnecessarily. No. you don't need to spend > > $67 on bulbs for low light plants, provided your aquarium hood will > > accomodate the regular size T-12 bulbs (they're a bit larger in > > diameter than the T-5's, T-8's and T-10's that are also used in the > > aquarium trade). Many aquarium fixtures are designed for T-12's > > though, and you can install and comparable bulb to your needs. > > Some hobbyists use just regular Cool White Fluorescents found in > > their local hardware store (@ $2 each), with decent results with low > > light plants, although Daylight bulbs are more beneficial -- and > > don't cost very much more. As Lenny pointed out, some hobbyists 4' > > use shop lights. I use these fixtures over aisles of tank racks, > > with one Cool White Bulb and one Warm White bulb and get fine growth > > in my low light plants. > > There are other fluorescent bulbs more suited to plants, but you need > > to consider their lighting effects on your viewing vs the needthe > > plants. Still, as long as your fixture also holds "regular" bulbs, > > many of these can still be used without affecting their appearance to > > your eye. > > Sylvania makes a special bulb designed primarily for plants, > > called "Gro-Lux." GE has an equivilent bulb they call "Gro-N-Sho." > > These are an improvement for plant growth over ordinary bulbs and > > don't cost that much more, although they do have a slight purplish > > cast. An improvement over these are the Glo-Lux Wide Spectrum bulbs; > > they cast a slightly pinkish light, but again along with regular > > bulbs should not affect the appearance of your fish. > > There are Full Spectrum bulbs such as DuroTest's "Vita-Lite," > > GE's "Chroma 50," Philips' "Colortone 50" and Sylvania's "Designer > > 5000K" which offer about the best spectrum for your plants (and for > > lighting your fish more naturally), for the price, as opposed to > > having to spend $67 -- and they do not cost all that much more > > (usually around $10, OR LESS). While you can find many of these at > > your LFS (telling you that they're fine for aquarium use), they can > > be found at Home Depot or Loews at half the price. The 4' tubes are > > the least least expensive for the lumens produced as they're the most > > commonly used size. Ray > > ---In AquaticLife groups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > > > wrote: > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I will > > need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I use low > > light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but they are > > north windows. The nearest windows other than that are about 12 feet > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to > > have a strategy to > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles with > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > plants in with > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > plants in my > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > goldfish > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > maintenance, I > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > so I can > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > having to > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > just holds > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and the > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of the > > gravel. > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and re-shove > > them > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > plants like > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > > years. I > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > these seem > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- tank- > > stand. html when I > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > > the bottom > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > driftwood, etc., > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my blog, > > the > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > years > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch > > the image > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I > > believe > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > anacharis. For > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > recover, > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots > > and then > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > promised.. with > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be > > spread > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only > > have a > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > Listed in > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > > aspx > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > I've heard > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > everything > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > with the > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > image.. or > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > packages that > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on for > > 12 > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to > > eat > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36682	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

When I introduced two pieces of drift wood into our quarantine tank, we ended up with a beautiful florescent green tank. It became harder and harder to see any fish or snails that may have been in the tank at the time. We removed the drift wood and gave it yet another clean and changed the water once again. This went on several times. We ended up taking both pieces, left them in the sun for a month or two before trying again. What a surprise, we ended up with florescent green water again. I ended up placing some algae clear substance in table form into the tank and it cleared up in a couple of days. I can't recall the name of the tablet but I do know it was to clear up algae. Best of luck with your venture Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. > Sad, huh? > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures. >   > thanks, > Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36683	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

Yes, that is a pretty nice camera, and they come in 8 mega pixels as well. That makes cropping and still having a good photo much easier to do. As well as allowing larger images with still high resolution. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...>wrote: > My camera was only 250 a few years ago, and it works great. I had a > friend suggest it for taking pictures of rats because they move so fast > and most of the time they're just a blurry streak on the camera, LOL. I > no longer have rats (they passed away last year and I didn't get new > ones, but they lived over 2 years even though this is a bad climate for > rats, they get sick too often with all the wet weather). Anyways, I have > a panasonic DMC-LZ5, 6 megapixel camera with both digital and optical > zoom (I try not to use optical as it's not as clear as digital zoom is, > tends to be fuzzy). I'm not sure what the shutter speed is, but it's a > very nicely made camera for the price, I can take better pics of my fish > than my husband can with his really expensive digital cannon (not sure > on the model), and he kept spouting how great his camera was until he > couldn't get pics of the fish to come out clear, LOL. His focuses on the > glass for some reason, no matter the lights or how far away you stand > from the tank, not sure if other camera's have this problem or not. > So anyway, if anyone wants a cheaper alternative that takes rather nice > pictures with a fast shutter speed (for those speedy critters/kids) so > you can get clearer pics, try checking out the panasonic DMC-LZ5 (they > may not make the model anymore, but if they keep up to par on their new > cameras the new ones shouldn't be any worse than this one is). > > Amber > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is very difficult to take good fish pictures with the inexpensive > > (OK, cheap) point and shoot variety of digital camera. I'm sure it can > > be done, and the more control you are allowed over the flash, the > > focus, the aperture, the better off you will be. If you use the view > > finder on the camera, you will also need to deal with the parallax > > effect, since the view finder is offset from the lens. > > > > Ideally, you are talking about an SLR camera--in the digital area, we > > are talking a price of at least $1500 for the body, and also big bucks > > for the lens--a macro lens so you can accurately focus down to inches > > rather than feet, and a flash that can be used off the camera. A > > decent film SLR will cost you less, but the lenses will be priced > > about the same. Of course, if you really want a quality digital, look > > at Hasselblad. They have something that looks pretty good for less > > than $30,000. (Have you checked that out, Ray?) > > > > However, let me make the assumption that you are using one of the > > point and shoot cameras. > > > > 1. To avoid flashback, you need to shoot at the tank at an angle, so > > any flash that reflects off the glass does so at an angle, rather than > > coming back at you and the lens. Take as many shots as you need to > > determine the best angle to use to avoid the flashback. > > > > 2. If your camera has an option for an off camera flash, get one. You > > may need to tape over the flash on the camera, so that flash doesn't > > give you flashback, and place the moveable flash on top of the tank > > pointing down at the area you will be using to get your shot. If you > > do not have a clear cover, look for a clear piece of material that > > will support the flash, and use that to mount the flash. (Saran Wrap > > does not work--not me, but someone else was trying to get some shots > > of a fish in a show, set the flash on the Saran Wrap covering the > > tank, let go, with an almost immediate bath for the flash as it and > > the Saran Wrap went into the tank.) This kind of flash means you will > > have some control over certain aspects of the camera.--do some reading > > and learn how to use f/ stops, set the camera and flash properly, etc. > > Then you will need to practice to get it right. > > > > 3. Do not follow the fish with the camera. Focus the camera on a > > certain area of the tank, and wait for the fish to swim into this > > space, then fire off the shutter. A tripod is very handy here, as you > > wait for that STUPID FISH who always hangs out where you are focused > > to figure out that is where he should be NOW! <G> > > > > 4. Activate the shutter. > > > > 5. Start all over again, using slightly different settings until you > > get it right. > > > > There are many tricks to getting really good photos. Those that you > > see in books and magazines are the result of many shots taken of the > > fish, and, if you are lucky, you get enough from the photo selling to > > cover your film and developing costs for all those shots. > > > > Use a dark colored background. If your tank does not have one, fashion > > one for the photo shoot. Use clear glass to limit the fish's movement > > so it is easier to get the shot. Use a tank especially designed for > > photography--long and narrow, to which you can move the fish for a > > session. And more. > > > > Patience. You need patience to get good photos of fish. You need > > patience in spades. > > > > More information about what equipment you have will get you more > > specific advice. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On Behalf Of > > > edwingardiner@... <edwingardiner%40ymail.com> <mailto: > edwingardiner%40ymail.com <edwingardiner%2540ymail.com>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:27 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Taking photos > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of my > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not been > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36684	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

Is the air stone essential? Would you consider removing it instead of trying to hide it? I find air pumps noisy anyway, I don’t use air at all except battery operated pumps to transport fish in a bucket, or in case of a brief power outage (the generator takes over if a power outage is extended). _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Lenny, I'll look into epoxies.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 11:02:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com writes: NOPE. You have to peel off the double stick foam to remove that "glue". Then, they have to be applied when the tank is empty. I did mine when I first got the tank since I knew that I wanted to hide everything as best as possible... although there is an epoxy type product that is fish safe that can be applied under water. I've never used it but maybe someone else has and can advise on it's effectiveness. This MarineDepot page lists a couple of them but they are not clear and epoxies are not easy to remove like the aquarium silicone is, if you ever want to move things around. _http://www.marinede <http://www.marinedehttp:/www.http:/www.mahttp:/wwwhttp:/www.marhttp:/ww_> http://www.http://www.mahttp://wwwhttp://www.marhttp://ww_ (http://www.marinede <http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~miscellaneous_epoxy.ht m> pot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~miscellaneous_epoxy.htm) l You would have to move your fish and filter to another holding tank for a couple of days if you want to glue them on with aquarium silicone. I do not know of a silicone type product that can be applied underwater and is fish safe. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.http:/Gohtt_> http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@aol. <mailto:_Jpateson%40aol.Jpa> Jpa_ (mailto:Jpateson@aol. <mailto:Jpateson%40aol.com> com) Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Lenny, I have to give you credit, you always have a great idea...... I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow... But, one stupid question....Radio Shack aquarium silicone on the back, put them in the water and stick them to the tank? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 4:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, _GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com) writes: When I first got my 65G, I put something like these __http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhtt_> http://www.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.radihttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_> http://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_) (_http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.radihttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_> http://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329> ck.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103329) ) in the back corners of the tank. Mine were black and from Home Depot (but HD's website doesn't list them) and I peeled/cleaned off the double stick foam and just used aquarium silicone to "glue" them on. These __http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhtt_> http://www.http://wwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.radihttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_> http://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_) (_http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshahttp:/www.radihttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_> http://www.radihttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.radiosha <http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666> ck.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062666) ) would also work. You can also run them along the bottom back of the tank (I wish I would have also done this) to keep wires/airlines in place under the gravel so they don't come up to the top. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36685	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Hi Lenny I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one that i recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what it look like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i cleaned it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the tank, I saw the leech float down. I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the tank at night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I seen any attached to any of the fish - thank God. I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw last night wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. Thanks again for your advice. Jasmine -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our tanks. > I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying to > identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I do not > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever seen > leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium plants are > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The leaches that > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and are > generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd see them > trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't indicated that > yet. > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > x.html > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm - actually in glancing at > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most commonly > brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so this may be what > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew and mine > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what you have, > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live off of > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted plant, > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but they do > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I have them > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly have > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel as well > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that tank > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? Check out > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on the > glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would need to > catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be part of > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they grow. If > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it could be > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first caught my > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is a 'Aqua > One AR-980'. > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male Bristlenose was > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type mark on > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with its back > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or > on/in > > the plants? > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and > there > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > introduced > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back > to the > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and > wouldn't > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > However > > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > anyone > know how > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > > reputation > but they > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > > from a > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop > light > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I > have > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, but > > > > they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that are > > > > about 12 > feet > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > strategy to > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > > with > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > plants in > > > > with > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > plants > > > > in my > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > goldfish > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > so I can > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in without > > > > having to > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish > > tank. > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and > > > > the > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > plants like > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > years. > > > > I > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part since > > > > these seem > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back more > > easily. > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > tank-stand. > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > the > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > driftwood, > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > > blog, the > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > > > years > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to stretch > > > > the image > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... I > > believe > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > recover, > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or roots > > and then > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will be > > spread > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you only > > have a > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > Listed in > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your final > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > > aspx > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > > everything > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > with the > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > image.. or > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > packages that > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > > for > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and low > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves to > > > > eat > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36686	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show in the ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place that can serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational way. As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures will show a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > To: AfricanFinches@yahoogroups.com > Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; anubiasdeisgn@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representat... > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There > goes all rationality. > > Joey > > > ____________________________________ > From: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representatives > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife > by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation > January 27, 2009 > The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion > Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the > United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the > environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal > government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals > should be allowed or prohibited. > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into > the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The > HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of > animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife > populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for > working to address this global problem." > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot > properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation > or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive — putting people, domestic pets > and native wildlife at risk. > Facts > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them > over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to > complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be > expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native > bird and lizard populations. > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 > mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million > amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the > international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered > species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > _http://www.hsus.http://wwwhttp://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.htt > p://www.hsuhttp://www.hhttp://www.http://www._ > (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_address_exotic_animal > _importation_introduc > ed_012709.html) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36687	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

\\Steve//, Maybe you should forward this to the AHHS group who was just discussing this very issue. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show in the ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place that can serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational way. As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures will show a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of joesbirds@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > To: AfricanFinches@yahoogroups.com > Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; anubiasdeisgn@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations > Introduced In House of Representat... > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. > There goes all rationality. > > Joey > > > ____________________________________ > From: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representatives > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native > Wildlife by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation January 27, 2009 The > Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife > Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of > Representatives by Congresswoman Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in > the United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the > economy, the environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 > would require the federal government to assess the risk of nonnative > wildlife species proposed for importation and, with public input, > decide if the importation of these animals should be allowed or prohibited. > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and > imported into the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive > vice president of The HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and > death of large numbers of animals, poses unnecessary risks to public > health and jeopardizes native wildlife populations here and abroad. > We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for working to address this global problem." > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who > cannot properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from > starvation, predation or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - > putting people, domestic pets and native wildlife at risk. > Facts > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or > sell them over state lines as pets. However, this process typically > takes years to complete and occurs after species are established, > when eradicating them can be expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated > native bird and lizard populations. > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly > 88,000 mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more > than 5 million amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in > the international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered > and even covered species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > _http://www.hsus.http://wwwhttp://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.http://www. > hsus.htt p://www.hsuhttp://www.hhttp://www.http://www._ > (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_add > ress_exotic_animal > _importation_introduc > ed_012709.html) > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36688	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

But even if the fish are wild, if they are plentiful, their "harvest" is controlled and fish-friendly methods are used, and the local economy where they are collected depends on the business of exporting them.why limit it? Many African cichlids from the rift lakes fall into this category. The problem with purchasing tank-raised in the US is that cichlids cross-breed easily, and unless you have a breeder known to you with an excellent reputation, you are just as likely to be buying a hybrid. I don't want wild-caught fish, but I want my US breeders to have access to them (I buy first generation tank raised). I do have a couple wild-caught Synodontis but four of mine were purchased from a fellow fishkeeper. They are on their 3rd owner in the US, LOL. I bought one from an LFS to make a larger group. And I have one baby tank-raised spawned in my tank. If I ever go marine, I will be more careful to avoid wild-caught fish due to the problems with the reefs and the unethical collection methods that are used. My future (years in the future) tank has already been planned with tank-raised specimens, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show in the ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place that can serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational way. As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures will show a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > To: AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Cc: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com; anubiasdeisgn@ <mailto:anubiasdeisgn%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representat... > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There > goes all rationality. > > Joey > > > ____________________________________ > From: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representatives > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife > by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation > January 27, 2009 > The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion > Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the > United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the > environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal > government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals > should be allowed or prohibited. > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into > the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The > HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of > animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife > populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for > working to address this global problem." > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot > properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation > or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - putting people, domestic pets > and native wildlife at risk. > Facts > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them > over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to > complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be > expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native > bird and lizard populations. > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 > mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million > amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the > international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered > species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > _http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus.http:/wwwhttp:/www.hsus.http:/www.hsus.http:/www.hsus.htt> http://wwwhttp://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.http://www.hsus.htt > p://www.hsuhttp: <p://www.hsuhttp:/www.hhttp:/www.http:/www._> //www.hhttp://www.http://www._ > (http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_address_e xotic_animal> org/press_and_publications/press_releases/bill_to_address_exotic_animal > _importation_introduc > ed_012709.html) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36689	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36690	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you definitely have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, make sure you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from a store that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before selling them to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with plants but snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a natural part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants and the snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish are more nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at night and will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jasmine Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants Hi Lenny I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one that i recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what it look like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i cleaned it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the tank, I saw the leech float down. I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the tank at night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I seen any attached to any of the fish - thank God. I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw last night wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. Thanks again for your advice. Jasmine -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our tanks. > I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I do not > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium plants are > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The leaches that > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd see > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't indicated that > yet. > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > x.html > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm - actually in glancing at > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so > this may be what > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew and mine > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what you have, > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live off of > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted plant, > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but they do > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I have them > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly have > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel as well > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that tank > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? Check out > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be part of > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they grow. If > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it could be > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first caught my > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is a 'Aqua > One AR-980'. > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male Bristlenose was > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type mark on > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with its back > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or > on/in > > the plants? > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and > there > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > introduced > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back > to the > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and > wouldn't > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > However > > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > anyone > know how > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > > reputation > but they > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > > from a > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop > light > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I > have > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have to go > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that > > > > are about 12 > feet > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > strategy to > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > > with > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > plants in > > > > with > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > plants > > > > in my > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > goldfish > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > so I can > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > goldfish > > tank. > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and > > > > the > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > plants like > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > years. > > > > I > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > more > > easily. > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > tank-stand. > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > the > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > driftwood, > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > > blog, the > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > > > years > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... > > > > I > > believe > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > recover, > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > roots > > and then > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will > > > > be > > spread > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > only > > have a > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > Listed in > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > > aspx > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > > everything > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > with the > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > image.. or > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > packages that > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > > for > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and > > > > low > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36691	From: bill1433	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

Hi Donna,   You have brought up some interesting points here and one question that has puzzled me right from the beginning of returning to the hobby.   "Wild Fish", I assume that you are speaking directly about fish being caught in their native habitat?  I would like some but how do I know for sure they are in fact wild and not tank raised?  Most agree, regardless of type of fish, most wild fish that are caught have beauty far beyond their tank raised cousins but how and where would you get reliable specimens?  And to save an upcoming post from "Amber", yes I am talking about Rams here! <GRIN>   Bill --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:55 AM But even if the fish are wild, if they are plentiful, their "harvest" is controlled and fish-friendly methods are used, and the local economy where they are collected depends on the business of exporting them.why limit it? Many African cichlids from the rift lakes fall into this category. The problem with purchasing tank-raised in the US is that cichlids cross-breed easily, and unless you have a breeder known to you with an excellent reputation, you are just as likely to be buying a hybrid. I don't want wild-caught fish, but I want my US breeders to have access to them (I buy first generation tank raised). I do have a couple wild-caught Synodontis but four of mine were purchased from a fellow fishkeeper. They are on their 3rd owner in the US, LOL. I bought one from an LFS to make a larger group. And I have one baby tank-raised spawned in my tank. If I ever go marine, I will be more careful to avoid wild-caught fish due to the problems with the reefs and the unethical collection methods that are used. My future (years in the future) tank has already been planned with tank-raised specimens, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:12 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat. .. HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show in the ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place that can serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational way. As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures will show a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds% 40aol.com> com > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > To: AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinc hes%40yahoogroup s.com> yahoogroups. com > Cc: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com; anubiasdeisgn@ <mailto:anubiasdeis gn%40yahoogroups .com> yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representat. .. > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There > goes all rationality. > > Joey > > > ____________ _________ _________ ______ > From: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representatives > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife > by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation > January 27, 2009 > The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion > Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the > United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the > environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal > government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals > should be allowed or prohibited. > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into > the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The > HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of > animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife > populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for > working to address this global problem." > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot > properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation > or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - putting people, domestic pets > and native wildlife at risk. > Facts > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them > over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to > complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be > expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native > bird and lizard populations. > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 > mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million > amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the > international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered > species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > _http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus. http:/wwwhttp: /www.hsus. http:/www. hsus.http: /www.hsus.. htt> http://wwwhttp: //www.hsus. http://www. hsus.http: //www.hsus. htt > p://www.hsuhttp: <p://www.hsuhttp: /www.hhttp: /www.http: /www._> //www.hhttp:// www.http: //www._ > (http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus. org/press_ and_publications /press_releases/ bill_to_address_ e xotic_animal> org/press_and_ publications/ press_releases/ bill_to_address_ exotic_animal > _importation_ introduc > ed_012709.html) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36692	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

I'm thinking maybe it's the nature of the loach to be manic when first introduced into new digs.  When I added my six Yoyo loaches, they were positively crazed, zooming around the tank, into every corner and two even disappeared up the intake to the canister filter...eventually to re-emerge, very pale but none the worse for wear.  Eventually though, they found each other, settled in and now, as a group, will eat frozen shrimp from my fingers. Neat little creatures. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:45:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I've been watching them the last hour (in between a filter cleaning, hehe), so far they don't seem inclined to go where there isn't any water, so unless they really want out for some reason (icky water or something) I shouldn't have to worry. Just in case I dropped the tank water a little too, so they have further air space to climb before the edge of the tank I took some pics of them in the bag, when they settle down a little I will try taking individual pics. There are 6 of the little guys, and they are quite active in the tank, zooming all over the place, not sure if they are just getting their barings or if they will always be that active. They are young though, probably just getting their adult shape/colors (the babies are shaped differently). Oh and they weren't easy to get out of the bag, after pouring the water out over a net (over a bucket) they were still stuck in the bag, so I had to refill the bag in the tank and shake it until they came out, LOL. Some of them were a little more stubborn than others and required more coaxing to get out of the bag ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting > them and you must be excited to finally get them. > > I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the > bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag > in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to > swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside > and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. > > I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least > temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund < amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but > > that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to get > > them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how > > hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL > > could be interesting ;) > > My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the > > morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" > > video ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36693	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36694	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Air Stone line....

Well, yes, I just like the way it looks.... Jim In a message dated 1/28/2009 5:44:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, djransome@... writes: Is the air stone essential? Would you consider removing it instead of trying to hide it? I find air pumps noisy anyway, I don’t use air at all except battery operated pumps to transport fish in a bucket, or in case of a brief power outage (the generator takes over if a power outage is extended). _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:18 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Air Stone line.... Lenny, I'll look into epoxies.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 1/27/2009 11:02:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com writes: NOPE. You have to peel off the double stick foam to remove that "glue". Then, they have to be applied when the tank is empty. I did mine when I first got the tank since I knew that I wanted to hide everything as best as possible... although there is an epoxy type product that is fish safe that can be applied under water. I've never used it but maybe someone else has and can advise on it's effectiveness. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36695	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. And the frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon danios" and so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked great in your pictures. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to catch them. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > zebra danio sized. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > empty. I > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36696	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Yeah, I tried those Tablets. They seemed kind of hokey to me. I can relate to green water and not being able to see your fish too well. I am pretty frustrated, especially because it is my 55 gallon. My 20 gallon is crystal clear all the time. I am almost ready to just tear it down and start over; but I am hesitant because I don't want to destroy my biological filter. :(   --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Jasmine <adonaikam@...> wrote: From: Jasmine <adonaikam@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:32 AM When I introduced two pieces of drift wood into our quarantine tank, we ended up with a beautiful florescent green tank. It became harder and harder to see any fish or snails that may have been in the tank at the time. We removed the drift wood and gave it yet another clean and changed the water once again. This went on several times. We ended up taking both pieces, left them in the sun for a month or two before trying again. What a surprise, we ended up with florescent green water again. I ended up placing some algae clear substance in table form into the tank and it cleared up in a couple of days. I can't recall the name of the tablet but I do know it was to clear up algae. Best of luck with your venture Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, gail <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. > Sad, huh? > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures. >   > thanks, > Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36697	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

So I am currently using gravel/rocks/pebbles for my substrate in all my tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want some opinions on this topic. And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - Is that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes??   thanks in advance, Gail --------- I         ---------i I                  I I                  I I                  I ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36698	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Strange question

Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. Thanks -- http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36699	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

You should really have a filter intake screen/strainer on your filter intakes. All filter systems come with these but I regularly see posts in forums where fish are killed when they get sucked up to the intake or into the intake because the fish keepers did not have one of these on their intake tubes. If you don't have one for your intake, you can buy replacements for a couple of dollars. I recommend this one (below) as it has a much larger filter screen so if you have plants, etc., it doesn't get clogged as easily. It fits on most standard 3/4" intake tubes. https://www.marineland.com/store/1-Strainer-P215C0.aspx (but less expensive at BigAlsOnline and other online retailers) http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18665/si1379768/cl0/marinelan declipseintakestrainer Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dreamsteeds Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I'm thinking maybe it's the nature of the loach to be manic when first introduced into new digs.  When I added my six Yoyo loaches, they were positively crazed, zooming around the tank, into every corner and two even disappeared up the intake to the canister filter...eventually to re-emerge, very pale but none the worse for wear.  Eventually though, they found each other, settled in and now, as a group, will eat frozen shrimp from my fingers. Neat little creatures. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:45:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I've been watching them the last hour (in between a filter cleaning, hehe), so far they don't seem inclined to go where there isn't any water, so unless they really want out for some reason (icky water or something) I shouldn't have to worry. Just in case I dropped the tank water a little too, so they have further air space to climb before the edge of the tank I took some pics of them in the bag, when they settle down a little I will try taking individual pics. There are 6 of the little guys, and they are quite active in the tank, zooming all over the place, not sure if they are just getting their barings or if they will always be that active. They are young though, probably just getting their adult shape/colors (the babies are shaped differently). Oh and they weren't easy to get out of the bag, after pouring the water out over a net (over a bucket) they were still stuck in the bag, so I had to refill the bag in the tank and shake it until they came out, LOL. Some of them were a little more stubborn than others and required more coaxing to get out of the bag ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting > them and you must be excited to finally get them. > > I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the > bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag > in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to > swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside > and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. > > I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least > temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund < amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but > > that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to > get > > them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how > > hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL > > could be interesting ;) > > My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the > > morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" > > video ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36700	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36701	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Are you talking about a glofish zebra danio or a glowlight tetra or ??? GloFish, also referred to as Glo-fish, the genetically enhanced day-glo colored Zebra Danios should grow to the same size as normal ZD's.. that being 2" to 2.5" in body length. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. And the frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon danios" and so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked great in your pictures. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to catch them. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > zebra danio sized. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish > > will > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group > > of 6 > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish > > > are > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon > > > colors > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim > > > much > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny > > > to > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - > > > but > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these > > > two > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > empty. I > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some > > > shrimp > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36702	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

The Kitty Litter came up when discussing a tank that someone saw on YouTube where they made a faux rock background and then used kitty litter and gravel as a substrate. You might want to do a search of the groups messages for "sand substrate" as this has been discussed often. What kind of fish do you have that you want a sand substrate? It can look nice and some fish need/prefer sand substrates but it comes with it's own issues also. Is that supposed to be an ASCII "G" under your signature? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? So I am currently using gravel/rocks/pebbles for my substrate in all my tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want some opinions on this topic. And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - Is that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes??   thanks in advance, Gail --------- I         ---------i I                  I I                  I I                  I -------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36703	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or UPS overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish shipped to you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has some strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have problems getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live fish" or anything like that. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Mazur Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. Thanks -- http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36704	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

The strainer that came with the Marineland C-360 canister, was in place.  I can't see the size of the strainers you sent but it probably would be a good idea to switch to a finer one, although, happily, no one has found the need to trave l up it, recently. Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:17:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches You should really have a filter intake screen/strainer on your filter intakes. All filter systems come with these but I regularly see posts in forums where fish are killed when they get sucked up to the intake or into the intake because the fish keepers did not have one of these on their intake tubes. If you don't have one for your intake, you can buy replacements for a couple of dollars. I recommend this one (below) as it has a much larger filter screen so if you have plants, etc., it doesn't get clogged as easily. It fits on most standard 3/4" intake tubes. https://www.marineland.com/store/1-Strainer-P215C0.aspx (but less expensive at BigAlsOnline and other online retailers) http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18665/si1379768/cl0/marinelan declipseintakestrainer Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dreamsteeds Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I'm thinking maybe it's the nature of the loach to be manic when first introduced into new digs.  When I added my six Yoyo loaches, they were positively crazed, zooming around the tank, into every corner and two even disappeared up the intake to the canister filter...eventually to re-emerge, very pale but none the worse for wear.  Eventually though, they found each other, settled in and now, as a group, will eat frozen shrimp from my fingers. Neat little creatures. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" < amber@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:45:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I've been watching them the last hour (in between a filter cleaning, hehe), so far they don't seem inclined to go where there isn't any water, so unless they really want out for some reason (icky water or something) I shouldn't have to worry. Just in case I dropped the tank water a little too, so they have further air space to climb before the edge of the tank I took some pics of them in the bag, when they settle down a little I will try taking individual pics. There are 6 of the little guys, and they are quite active in the tank, zooming all over the place, not sure if they are just getting their barings or if they will always be that active. They are young though, probably just getting their adult shape/colors (the babies are shaped differently). Oh and they weren't easy to get out of the bag, after pouring the water out over a net (over a bucket) they were still stuck in the bag, so I had to refill the bag in the tank and shake it until they came out, LOL. Some of them were a little more stubborn than others and required more coaxing to get out of the bag ;) Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting > them and you must be excited to finally get them. > > I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the > bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag > in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to > swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside > and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. > > I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least > temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund < amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but > > that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to > get > > them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how > > hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL > > could be interesting ;) > > My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the > > morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" > > video ;) > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36705	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since I've purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on the package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell you lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter cartridge, it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or might even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge on a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or too long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel spins like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down due to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just float the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope you've read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 for either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this price range but not with the free shipping option. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36707	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

I think it's an option for substrate, but since it gets messy and turns to clay mud it sounds like a pain in the butt too ;) LOL. Sand (especially the really small grains of sand) are not as easy to clean with a python/gravel vac as gravel is. It can also get compacted with detritus and other waste and toxic substances (to the fish) can "bubble" out of the sand if you don't regularly stir the sand to keep it from getting compacted. The larger grains of sand are easier to take care of. Some fish prefer sand substrates over gravel, such as catfish as some of them like to sift through the sand to look for food. Hope this helps :) Amber gail wrote: > > > So I am currently using gravel/rocks/pebbles for my substrate in all > my tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want > some opinions on this topic. > And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - > Is that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes?? > > thanks in advance, > Gail > --------- > I ---------i > I I > I I > I I > ------------------- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36708	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Baby Hillstream loaches have a tendancy to get sucked up into canister filters so fish experts that have kept them and bred them in captivity suggest checking your canister filter for babies when you're cleaning it ;) I'm thinking of putting sponges over all of my intakes on my filters in the future (they all have strainers, but those will still allow babies in), so I suppose when the loaches get bigger I may add sponges then, they're still small so probably won't breed any time soon ;) With the rate the rest of my happy fish are going at reproducing I wouldn't be surprised if I ever end up with baby hillstream loaches, LOL. I miss my Yoyo loaches, they are pretty, if the LFS ever gets more I'd like to replace the ones that I lost in the ich outbreak months back, I will probably wait until after the 55 gallon tank is finished and has fish in it though. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You should really have a filter intake screen/strainer on your filter > intakes. All filter systems come with these but I regularly see posts in > forums where fish are killed when they get sucked up to the intake or into > the intake because the fish keepers did not have one of these on their > intake tubes. If you don't have one for your intake, you can buy > replacements for a couple of dollars. I recommend this one (below) as it > has a much larger filter screen so if you have plants, etc., it > doesn't get > clogged as easily. It fits on most standard 3/4" intake tubes. > > https://www.marineland.com/store/1-Strainer-P215C0.aspx > <https://www.marineland.com/store/1-Strainer-P215C0.aspx> (but less > expensive > at BigAlsOnline and other online retailers) > > http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18665/si1379768/cl0/marinelan > <http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18665/si1379768/cl0/marinelan> > declipseintakestrainer > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dreamsteeds > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > I'm thinking maybe it's the nature of the loach to be manic when first > introduced into new digs. When I added my six Yoyo loaches, they were > positively crazed, zooming around the tank, into every corner and two even > disappeared up the intake to the canister filter...eventually to > re-emerge, > very pale but none the worse for wear. Eventually though, they found each > other, settled in and now, as a group, will eat frozen shrimp from my > fingers. > > Neat little creatures. > > Jackie > > Jackie Huey > Dreamsteeds@... <mailto:Dreamsteeds%40comcast.net> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey > <http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:45:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > I've been watching them the last hour (in between a filter cleaning, > hehe), > so far they don't seem inclined to go where there isn't any water, so > unless > they really want out for some reason (icky water or > something) I shouldn't have to worry. Just in case I dropped the tank > water > a little too, so they have further air space to climb before the edge > of the > tank I took some pics of them in the bag, when they settle down a little I > will try taking individual pics. There are 6 of the little guys, and they > are quite active in the tank, zooming all over the place, not sure if they > are just getting their barings or if they will always be that active. They > are young though, probably just getting their adult shape/colors (the > babies > are shaped differently). > Oh and they weren't easy to get out of the bag, after pouring the > water out > over a net (over a bucket) they were still stuck in the bag, so I had to > refill the bag in the tank and shake it until they came out, LOL. > Some of them were a little more stubborn than others and required more > coaxing to get out of the bag ;) > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Congrats on your new loaches! I know how much you have been wanting > > them and you must be excited to finally get them. > > > > I laughed at your notion of trying to get suckered loaches out of the > > bag. That could be a real problem! I guess you can always put the bag > > in the water and turn it inside out. Those loaches will be glad to > > swim off when they see their new tank or if you put your hands inside > > and move them around so the bag feels funny to them. > > > > I hope you find a way to mend your tank escape hatch, at least > > temporarily, so they will not make those cats fat! > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund < amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > Okay so all 6 loaches arrived in great condition (maybe a tad pale but > > > > that's expected with shipping fish). I have them floating for now to > > get > > > > them acclimated to the temps and will start adding water. Wonder how > > > > hard they're gonna be to get out of the bag if they suck to it? LOL > > > > could be interesting ;) > > > > My hubby asked, "Now we're not gonna have 2 really happy cats in the > > > > morning are we?" LOL, he was asking because of the "loach migration" > > > > video ;) > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36709	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

I was considering Sand for my 20 gallon Cichlid tank. It may not a good idea for my ommunity tank (55gallon) > which contains my Bala sharks, Cory Catfish, tiger barbs, gouramis, black skirt tetras, Mollies etc.   And I was trying to be creative and draw a Utah shape under my name. Needless to say - I sucked at it. :D --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 10:05 AM The Kitty Litter came up when discussing a tank that someone saw on YouTube where they made a faux rock background and then used kitty litter and gravel as a substrate. You might want to do a search of the groups messages for "sand substrate" as this has been discussed often. What kind of fish do you have that you want a sand substrate? It can look nice and some fish need/prefer sand substrates but it comes with it's own issues also. Is that supposed to be an ASCII "G" under your signature? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:42 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? So I am currently using gravel/rocks/ pebbles for my substrate in all my tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want some opinions on this topic. And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - Is that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes??   thanks in advance, Gail --------- I         ---------i I                  I I                  I I                  I ------------ ------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36710	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for moose, LOL. You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the other side of the island across the mountains). That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > it's > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > wandering > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > Earth, you > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36711	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

The only wild caught fish that I have are my new loaches, so I can't compare yet ;) They aren't too colorful but they just got here last night, the pics on aquabid showed that they were a nice dark tan/orangish color before traveling, so I will let you know how they look after getting used to the surroundings. The other pics of hillstream loaches I saw online didn't have many that were the darker tan/orange colors, most were a lighter tan. No saving posts from me Bill! LOL Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Donna, > > You have brought up some interesting points here and one question that > has puzzled me right from the beginning of returning to the hobby. > > "Wild Fish", I assume that you are speaking directly about fish being > caught in their native habitat? I would like some but how do I know > for sure they are in fact wild and not tank raised? Most agree, > regardless of type of fish, most wild fish that are caught have beauty > far beyond their tank raised cousins but how and where would you get > reliable specimens? And to save an upcoming post from "Amber", yes I > am talking about Rams here! <GRIN> > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal > Importations Introduced In House of Representat... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:55 AM > > But even if the fish are wild, if they are plentiful, their "harvest" is > controlled and fish-friendly methods are used, and the local economy where > they are collected depends on the business of exporting them.why limit it? > Many African cichlids from the rift lakes fall into this category. The > problem with purchasing tank-raised in the US is that cichlids cross-breed > easily, and unless you have a breeder known to you with an excellent > reputation, you are just as likely to be buying a hybrid. > > I don't want wild-caught fish, but I want my US breeders to have access to > them (I buy first generation tank raised). I do have a couple wild-caught > Synodontis but four of mine were purchased from a fellow fishkeeper. They > are on their 3rd owner in the US, LOL. I bought one from an LFS to make a > larger group. And I have one baby tank-raised spawned in my tank. > > If I ever go marine, I will be more careful to avoid wild-caught fish > due to > the problems with the reefs and the unethical collection methods that are > used. My future (years in the future) tank has already been planned with > tank-raised specimens, LOL! > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:12 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal > Importations Introduced In House of Representat. .. > > HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it > raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show > in the > ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place > that can serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational > way. > > As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. > > As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how > many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather > than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures > will show > a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds% 40aol.com> com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > > To: AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinc hes%40yahoogroup s.com> > yahoogroups. com > > Cc: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com; > anubiasdeisgn@ <mailto:anubiasdeis gn%40yahoogroups .com> yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations > Introduced In House of > > Representat. .. > > > > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. > There > > goes all rationality. > > > > Joey > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ ______ > > From: MR 2CAN > > BCC: Joesbirds > > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > > Representatives > > > > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native > Wildlife > > by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation > > January 27, 2009 > > The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion > > Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by > Congresswoman > > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment > in the > > United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the > economy, the > > environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the > federal > > government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for > > importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these > animals > > should be allowed or prohibited. > > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported > into > > the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of > The > > HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of > > animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native > wildlife > > populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman > Bordallo for > > working to address this global problem." > > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who > cannot > > properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, > predation > > or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - putting people, domestic > pets > > and native wildlife at risk. > > Facts > > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell > them > > over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to > > complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them > can be > > expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated > native > > bird and lizard populations. > > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly > 88,000 > > mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 > million > > amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment > in the > > international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even > covered > > species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > _http://www.hsus. > <http://www.hsus. http:/wwwhttp: /www.hsus. http:/www. hsus.http: > /www.hsus.. htt> > http://wwwhttp: //www.hsus. http://www. hsus.http: //www.hsus. htt > > p://www.hsuhttp: <p://www.hsuhttp: /www.hhttp: /www.http: /www._> > //www.hhttp:// www.http: //www._ > > (http://www.hsus. > <http://www.hsus. org/press_ and_publications /press_releases/ > bill_to_address_ e > xotic_animal> > org/press_and_ publications/ press_releases/ bill_to_address_ > exotic_animal > > _importation_ introduc > > ed_012709.html) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36712	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

I found this to be a pretty good read on sands.... http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/sand.php --Dave On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > I was considering Sand for my 20 gallon Cichlid tank. It may not a good idea > for my ommunity tank (55gallon) > which contains my Bala sharks, Cory > Catfish, tiger barbs, gouramis, black skirt tetras, Mollies etc. > > And I was trying to be creative and draw a Utah shape under my name. > Needless to say - I sucked at it. :D > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on > this? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 10:05 AM > > The Kitty Litter came up when discussing a tank that someone saw on YouTube > where they made a faux rock background and then used kitty litter and gravel > as a substrate. > > You might want to do a search of the groups messages for "sand substrate" as > this has been discussed often. What kind of fish do you have that you want > a sand substrate? It can look nice and some fish need/prefer sand > substrates but it comes with it's own issues also. > > Is that supposed to be an ASCII "G" under your signature? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:42 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? > > So I am currently using gravel/rocks/ pebbles for my substrate in all my > tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want some > opinions on this topic. > And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - Is > that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes?? > > thanks in advance, > Gail > --------- > I ---------i > I I > I I > I I > ------------ ------- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36713	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Unfortunately, Google doesn't spend as much money on images of the boonies as they do on the big cities. I was comparing the imaging that I get of N'Awlins to Ketchikan and you guys are on a much lower resolution than us. I can get down to around 200' above ground level before images in N'Awlins start to get blurry where they are pretty blurry even at 500' up there by you. Google Earth is still a great program to have as long as a computer can handle it since it's a BIG program and uses a lot of RAM when it's running... but for a free program, it's a good thing to have if you ever wanted to "fly over" and then zoom in and check out other areas around the world. I've been using it for years... even back when I had to pay for it when it was software owned by Keyhole before Google bought out Keyhole. NASA also offers a free program that is similar called Worldwind. Here's a review I wrote up back in 2005 when I compared Keyhole and Worldwind. http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar ison.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for moose, LOL. You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the other side of the island across the mountains). That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > it's > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > wandering > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > Earth, you > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Well it doesn't surprise me that we have a lower resolution than the bigger cities. We just got fiber optic internet this year! LOL. We're behind on a lot of stuff technologically speaking. We do have cell phones/digital tv/and direct tv, but a lot of stuff is limited, Oh and we actually have Sirius radio ;) LOL. I just wish we would get a better selection on cell phones, I swear we get all the rejects or the old phones ;) I spent nearly 400 on a cell phone on ebay last year because none of the ones in town were good enough for me, LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Unfortunately, Google doesn't spend as much money on images of the boonies > as they do on the big cities. I was comparing the imaging that I get of > N'Awlins to Ketchikan and you guys are on a much lower resolution than us. > I can get down to around 200' above ground level before images in N'Awlins > start to get blurry where they are pretty blurry even at 500' up there by > you. > > Google Earth is still a great program to have as long as a computer can > handle it since it's a BIG program and uses a lot of RAM when it's > running... but for a free program, it's a good thing to have if you ever > wanted to "fly over" and then zoom in and check out other areas around the > world. I've been using it for years... even back when I had to pay for it > when it was software owned by Keyhole before Google bought out Keyhole. > NASA also offers a free program that is similar called Worldwind. Here's a > review I wrote up back in 2005 when I compared Keyhole and Worldwind. > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar> > ison.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for > moose, LOL. > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear > here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the > other > side of the island across the mountains). > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > > it's > > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to > take > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > wandering > > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > > Earth, you > > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have > higher > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > had the > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > images. It's > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > uses.. or > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36715	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Oh yeah, and I seriously want a better LFS ;) Guess I'll just have to start getting the good fish on aquabid or something, since my LFS won't order specific fish for people, heck they don't even seem to order plants that I want, LOL. but they DID order a bulb for me, and then outrageously charged me over 50 dollars for a 22" square pin CFL bulb for plants :( Last time I get a bulb there, even with shipping I didn't spend that much online for 2 bulbs, but they were on sale at the time too, so I guess I should have bought more, darnit, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well it doesn't surprise me that we have a lower resolution than the > bigger cities. We just got fiber optic internet this year! LOL. We're > behind on a lot of stuff technologically speaking. We do have cell > phones/digital tv/and direct tv, but a lot of stuff is limited, Oh and > we actually have Sirius radio ;) LOL. > I just wish we would get a better selection on cell phones, I swear we > get all the rejects or the old phones ;) > I spent nearly 400 on a cell phone on ebay last year because none of the > ones in town were good enough for me, LOL > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, Google doesn't spend as much money on images of the > boonies > > as they do on the big cities. I was comparing the imaging that I get of > > N'Awlins to Ketchikan and you guys are on a much lower resolution > than us. > > I can get down to around 200' above ground level before images in > N'Awlins > > start to get blurry where they are pretty blurry even at 500' up > there by > > you. > > > > Google Earth is still a great program to have as long as a computer can > > handle it since it's a BIG program and uses a lot of RAM when it's > > running... but for a free program, it's a good thing to have if you ever > > wanted to "fly over" and then zoom in and check out other areas > around the > > world. I've been using it for years... even back when I had to pay > for it > > when it was software owned by Keyhole before Google bought out Keyhole. > > NASA also offers a free program that is similar called Worldwind. > Here's a > > review I wrote up back in 2005 when I compared Keyhole and Worldwind. > > > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar> > > > > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-compar>> > > ison.html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here > > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to > look for > > moose, LOL. > > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear > > here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the > > other > > side of the island across the mountains). > > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > > > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area > every > > > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it > just > > > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > > > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > > > it's > > > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to > > take > > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > > wandering > > > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > > > Earth, you > > > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have > > higher > > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > > had the > > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > > images. It's > > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > > uses.. or > > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36716	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

follow-up.... At least Ketchikan is better than the Rift Lakes of Africa. Even at 18,000', things were getting blurry over there... although there were a few higher resolution areas where I could zoom down to the 5,000' level. Well, I just flew around the world so now I'm heading back to work. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for moose, LOL. You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the other side of the island across the mountains). That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > it's > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to take > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > wandering > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > Earth, you > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have higher > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it had the > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution images. It's > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment uses.. or > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Darn can't zoom in to see any wild cichlids ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > follow-up.... At least Ketchikan is better than the Rift Lakes of Africa. > Even at 18,000', things were getting blurry over there... although there > were a few higher resolution areas where I could zoom down to the 5,000' > level. Well, I just flew around the world so now I'm heading back to work. > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for > moose, LOL. > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear > here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the > other > side of the island across the mountains). > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > > it's > > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to > take > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > wandering > > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > > Earth, you > > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have > higher > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > had the > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > images. It's > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > uses.. or > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36718	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Green Angelfish?

Do Angelfish change color? I have raised many black striped silver Angelfish (P. scalare). When healthy they are the same color all the time except they darken when they sleep. One of these Angelfish I kept in an aquarium with Java Moss at the bottom. It was a nickle sized Angelfish and had spent 3 weeks or so in the Java Moss. I noticed that after a while it had changed color. Instead of silver it was a greenish olive with black stripes and the pelvic fins were a light green. It looks like this even when out of the Java Moss. I think it is a form of camoflage and that if removed from that tank it would probably turn silver again. Has any one heard or seen this before? Natural pigmentation or Diet (eating algae)?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36719	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

Bill, There are many reliable fish importers that are trustworthy. I am sure Raymond and Donna can give you names of people that are reputable. I can also tell you some importers as well. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 6:55 am Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... Hi Donna,   You have brought up some interesting points here and one question that has puzzled me right from the beginning of returning to the hobby.   "Wild Fish", I assume that you are speaking directly about fish being caught in their native habitat?  I would like some but how do I know for sure they are in fact wild and not tank raised?  Most agree, regardless of type of fish, most wild fish that are caught have beauty far beyond their tank raised cousins but how and where would you get reliable specimens?  And to save an upcoming post from "Amber", yes I am talking about Rams here! <GRIN>   Bill --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:55 AM But even if the fish are wild, if they are plentiful, their "harvest" is controlled and fish-friendly methods are used, and the local economy whe re they are collected depends on the business of exporting them.why limit it? Many African cichlids from the rift lakes fall into this category. The problem with purchasing tank-raised in the US is that cichlids cross-breed easily, and unless you have a breeder known to you with an excellent reputation, you are just as likely to be buying a hybrid. I don't want wild-caught fish, but I want my US breeders to have access to them (I buy first generation tank raised). I do have a couple wild-caught Synodontis but four of mine were purchased from a fellow fishkeeper. They are on their 3rd owner in the US, LOL. I bought one from an LFS to make a larger group. And I have one baby tank-raised spawned in my tank. If I ever go marine, I will be more careful to avoid wild-caught fish due to the problems with the reefs and the unethical collection methods that are used. My future (years in the future) tank has already been planned with tank-raised specimens, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:12 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of Representat. .. HSUS appears to be a PETA controlled organization. Most of the money it raises does not go to help save those little pups and kits they show in the ad, but to crap like this. As noted, there are mechanisms already in place that can=2 0serve the function of this legislation in a sane and rational way. As yet, the full text of the bill has not been published. As for the import figures, I'd like to see a further breakdown as to how many animals in each category are farm raised and how many are wild rather than an aggregate figure. I'm willing to bet that the fish figures will show a high percentage of farm raised fish vs. wild fish being imported. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds% 40aol.com> com > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:23 PM > To: AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinc hes%40yahoogroup s.com> yahoogroups. com > Cc: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com; anubiasdeisgn@ <mailto:anubiasdeis gn%40yahoogroups .com> yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representat. .. > > > Unfortunately seems like the AR groups seem to be all over this one. There > goes all rationality. > > Joey > > > ____________ _________ _________ ______ > From: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 1/27/2009 6:19:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House of > Representatives > > > Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife > by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation > January 27, 200 9 > The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International > welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion > Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam). > The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the > United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the > environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal > government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals > should be allowed or prohibited. > "Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into > the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The > HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of > animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife > populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for > working to address this global problem." > Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot > properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation > or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive - putting people, domestic pets > and native wildlife at risk. > Facts > * Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare > species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them > over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to > complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be > expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible. > * Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown > tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native > bird and lizard populations. > * According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United > States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 > mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million > amphibians and more than 200 million fish. > * The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild > Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the > international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered > species may be harmed by trade. > > > > > > _http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus. http:/wwwhttp: /www.hsus. http:/www. hsus.http: /www.hsus.. htt> http://wwwhttp: //www.hsus. http://www. hsus.http: //www.hsus. htt > p://www.hsuhttp: <p://www.hsuhttp: /www.hhttp: /www.http: /www._> //www.hhttp:// www.http: //www._ > (http://www.hsus. <http://www.hsus. org/press_ and_publications /press_releases/ bill_to_address_ e xotic_animal> org/press_and_ publications/ press_releases/ bill_to_address_ exotic_animal > _importation_ introduc > ed_012709.html) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36720	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

I think you would need to find someone to export them to a German importer. Another alternative is the German fish trade. They have a wonderful fish hobby over their. They also get fish we cannot get here :) -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mazur <rpmazur@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 8:05 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. Thanks -- http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36721	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Okay I'm uploading pics now of the Hillstream Loaches (Sewellia Lineolata), they are doing very good in the tank so far. They are a little skittish to movement outside of the tank, but the other fish don't seem to bother them. I managed to get a few good pics out of hundres, LOL. They are very quick, even harder to take pics of than my glo-fish danio's. They are not as pale as last night so I think things are going well :) The pics can be found in my group folder (Amber Berglund), or as Lenny pointed out you can search for "last modified" too, and that should bring up mine after they are approved. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36722	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read your article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have found that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same with my (now dead) bio wheel   cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom.   So, for you I have Two questions:   1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel?   2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media?     the cartridge is about 6+wks old. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since I've purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on the package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell you lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter cartridge, it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or might even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge on a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or too long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel spins like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down due to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just float the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope you've read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 for either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this price range but not with the free shipping option. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36723	From: gail	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

So, yes it is understood that all of us really love our fish! It is truly a hobby and an investment... that some of our relatives may never understand.   I have kind of set my own boundaries; that the most i will pay is $10 - per fish. Maybe this is due to a "what if they die" scenario I have in my head. But I feel like I may soon break this rule, because I have my eye on a Cichlid that is $30. So, my most expensive fish are:  my Pleco $10  My Bala Shark lg $10  My Peacock Cichlid $10  And my pair of BP $13 (not bad) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36724	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

I've spent around 15 dollars on my angel fish (one died, and I replaced it, they only charged me 12.50 for the wild colored one), I just bought loaches of aquabid for 51.01 plus shipping, but I got 6 of them, so that works out to roughly 11-12 dollars per fish with the shipping factored in. The rest of my fish were cheaper than the above prices. Amber gail wrote: > > So, yes it is understood that all of us really love our fish! > It is truly a hobby and an investment... that some of our relatives > may never understand. > > I have kind of set my own boundaries; that the most i will pay is $10 > - per fish. Maybe this is due to a "what if they die" scenario I have > in my head. But I feel like I may soon break this rule, because I have > my eye on a Cichlid that is $30. > So, my most expensive fish are: > my Pleco $10 > My Bala Shark lg $10 > My Peacock Cichlid $10 > And my pair of BP $13 (not bad) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36725	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

What is the most I've ever paid for a fish? Well I may have paid a couple dollars, a dime at a time, for two fish that I won at a carnival when I was in High School. Other than that, I've never paid a penny to purchase a fish. What I have spent ON a fish? After just two months I'm guessing I'm close to $200 for these three so far, with the second tank, test kits, food, salt, meds, filter media, wood and hardware (to reinforce buffet), water pump, water bridge (well that one is for me, really), and a few other little things that aren't coming to mind just now. And I still need to find that elusive free 90G tank for when they get big. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Nope.. but did you get that link to the YouTube series on the NatGeo special on cichlids called "Jewel Of The Rifts"? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL Darn can't zoom in to see any wild cichlids ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > follow-up.... At least Ketchikan is better than the Rift Lakes of Africa. > Even at 18,000', things were getting blurry over there... although > there were a few higher resolution areas where I could zoom down to the 5,000' > level. Well, I just flew around the world so now I'm heading back to work. > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get > here > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look > for moose, LOL. > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown > bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on > the other side of the island across the mountains). > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, > > just fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the > > area every once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the > > like if it just happens to step out into a clearing to have its > > picture taken. Now, an otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and > > such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely > > on Amber to > take > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With > > Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck with > > it. Some areas have > higher > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > had the > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > images. It's > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > uses.. or > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36727	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Yup, when I hiked across France last year, I took Freddy the Betta along in his little fish carrier on my back, and he greatly enjoyed watching the scenery around him. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mazur" <rpmazur@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. Thanks -- http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36728	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Do danios get along with bettas? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish r-Encoding: quoted-printable Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra Danio's. Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" range and maybe others that I do not know about. http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was when I assumed they were Danio sized. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy' s. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36729	From: jett07002	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Good grief. Do not do as Lenny is suggesting!! If you are caught, they may accuse you of who knows what. Then you would not be coming home for who knows how long, but not of your own volition. LOL. Talk to someone who's up on these things. Do not mess yourself up over a few fish. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or UPS > overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish shipped to > you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has some > strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have problems > getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live fish" or anything > like that. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Mazur > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. > > Thanks > > -- > http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ > http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ > http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > James A. Lovell >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36730	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

I'd just like to say that you should probably re-home your current fish and start fresh when you get to Germany. Only if you have rare or valuable fish should you consider moving them with you. The cost will be pretty steep for shipping, and I do not know what the current customs regulations are for bring such fish into Germany. If you do take them, you might want to consider them to be carry-on baggage rather than shipping them, but the airlines might not allow it, though you may be using a military transport (which may obviate the need to go through customs--I don't know). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > jett07002 > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange question > > Good grief. Do not do as Lenny is suggesting!! If you are caught, > they may accuse you of who knows what. Then you would not be coming > home for who knows how long, but not of your own volition. LOL. > > Talk to someone who's up on these things. Do not mess yourself up > over a few fish. > > joe t > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or UPS > > overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish > shipped to > > you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has some > > strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have problems > > getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live fish" or > anything > > like that. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Robert Mazur > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question > > > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in > April > > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that > far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ > > http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ > > http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ > > > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch > things > > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be > successful, you > > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > > James A. Lovell > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36731	From: pam andress	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

Pictas: $10 each (I have 6) L333 Plecos: $13 each (I have 2 or 3. One is unknown, but was supposed to be a L333) Weitzmani Corys 5 for $35.00 (good buy) I also try not to spend more then 10 per fish. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: clandestine662002@...: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:56:35 -0800Subject: [AquaticLife] a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish? So, yes it is understood that all of us really love our fish!It is truly a hobby and an investment... that some of our relatives may never understand. I have kind of set my own boundaries; that the most i will pay is $10 - per fish. Maybe this is due to a "what if they die" scenario I have in my head. But I feel like I may soon break this rule, because I have my eye on a Cichlid that is $30.So, my most expensive fish are: my Pleco $10 My Bala Shark lg $10 My Peacock Cichlid $10 And my pair of BP $13 (not bad)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36732	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

$30 Synodontis _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish? So, yes it is understood that all of us really love our fish! It is truly a hobby and an investment... that some of our relatives may never understand. I have kind of set my own boundaries; that the most i will pay is $10 - per fish. Maybe this is due to a "what if they die" scenario I have in my head. But I feel like I may soon break this rule, because I have my eye on a Cichlid that is $30. So, my most expensive fish are: my Pleco $10 My Bala Shark lg $10 My Peacock Cichlid $10 And my pair of BP $13 (not bad) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36733	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as far as how they act. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Do danios get along with bettas? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > r-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra > Danio's. > Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very > active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > > There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" > range and > maybe others that I do not know about. > http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> > > ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, > which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. > > Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several > years > ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as > part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are > genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > when I > assumed they were Danio sized. > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > platy's/guppy' s. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > > net>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > > I > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > > misses, > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36734	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

I think I missed it, but I remember the talk about it. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Nope.. but did you get that link to the YouTube series on the NatGeo > special > on cichlids called "Jewel Of The Rifts"? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Darn can't zoom in to see any wild cichlids ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > follow-up.... At least Ketchikan is better than the Rift Lakes of > Africa. > > Even at 18,000', things were getting blurry over there... although > > there were a few higher resolution areas where I could zoom down to the > 5,000' > > level. Well, I just flew around the world so now I'm heading back to > work. > > LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get > > here > > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look > > for moose, LOL. > > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown > > bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on > > the other side of the island across the mountains). > > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, > > > just fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the > > > area every once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the > > > like if it just happens to step out into a clearing to have its > > > picture taken. Now, an otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving > a big > wake. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and > > > such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely > > > on Amber to > > take > > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > > wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With > > > Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck with > > > it. Some areas have > > higher > > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > > had the > > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > > images. It's > > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > > uses.. or > > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

They just got approved. Did you intend to include the Boudoir pic of you? <G> That should get the guys rushing over to your photo album now. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches Okay I'm uploading pics now of the Hillstream Loaches (Sewellia Lineolata), they are doing very good in the tank so far. They are a little skittish to movement outside of the tank, but the other fish don't seem to bother them. I managed to get a few good pics out of hundres, LOL. They are very quick, even harder to take pics of than my glo-fish danio's. They are not as pale as last night so I think things are going well :) The pics can be found in my group folder (Amber Berglund), or as Lenny pointed out you can search for "last modified" too, and that should bring up mine after they are approved. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36736	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the chart translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as your tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's spinning a little, it will still work. The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the algae eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical products that the pet stores try to sell folks. All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I use either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator.. both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No stress-this or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and how these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical Filtration (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it is and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). I like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same cartridge that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and added more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or small tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... FILTRATION: HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing its job and working to get the junk out of the water. Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take organics out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really aren't a problem.) If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water in solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean the organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every third day....... Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? Why not the fishes' also. :-) Bill Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read your article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have found that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same with my (now dead) bio wheel   cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom.   So, for you I have Two questions:   1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel?   2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media?     the cartridge is about 6+wks old. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since I've purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on the package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell you lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter cartridge, it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or might even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge on a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or too long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel spins like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down due to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just float the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope you've read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 for either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this price range but not with the free shipping option. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36737	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

Five bucks. But I've adopted/saved dozens of fish that were worth much, much more. That's the key.. look for fish keepers that are about to get out of the hobby and "offer" to take their fish from them.. and their tanks too if they are moving and can't take them with them or like in my case... Hurricane Katrina came along and forced lots of people to have to get out of the hobby. I had to turn down fish after Katrina since I also ran out of room for any more tanks. Just make sure you read good profiles and care sheets on the fish BEFORE you buy them to make sure they are compatible with your current fish, that you have sufficient tank size for long term housing and that your water parameters are adequate so you don't find yourself spending a bunch of money. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish? So, yes it is understood that all of us really love our fish! It is truly a hobby and an investment... that some of our relatives may never understand.   I have kind of set my own boundaries; that the most i will pay is $10 - per fish. Maybe this is due to a "what if they die" scenario I have in my head. But I feel like I may soon break this rule, because I have my eye on a Cichlid that is $30. So, my most expensive fish are:  my Pleco $10  My Bala Shark lg $10  My Peacock Cichlid $10  And my pair of BP $13 (not bad)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36738	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Everyone: Thanks for all the tips. We have cats as well, so my wife has been doing our homework on transporting the pets and the problem has been solved. Germany does not allow the import of fish into the country, therefore, Golic the Betta will have to be left behind. He has a home already, since he's on my desk at work, he's been designated the Team Mascot, so he will be staying in Bloomington, Minnesota. I will certainly lookup some fish shops in Mannheim when I get there and see what they had. To whomever made the comment about a military transport, yes, that would be the ultimate solution :) but alas, I will be traveling commercial :( Thanks for all the feedback! Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36739	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this?

LOL.. I kinda see Utah now... but it still looks more like a "G" for Gail. LOL Probably, if you Google around for ASCII "pictures", you might find a really good one of Utah and then you can just copy/paste it into your signature. It might even have some ^ and v's to represent mountains and valley areas. I've seen some really detailed ASCII "pictures" over the years, of course the really good ones were also REALLY BIG ones. Scroll down below your original sig in this thread... I made some changes to your original "drawing". Does mine look more like Utah now? Feel free to copy/paste it or change it even more to your liking. I used this image to try and get the scale correct... but I didn't try to add the Wasatch or Uinta Mountain Ranges that runs through your State. ;-) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/us_2001/utah_ref_2001.jpg Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? I was considering Sand for my 20 gallon Cichlid tank. It may not a good idea for my ommunity tank (55gallon) > which contains my Bala sharks, Cory Catfish, tiger barbs, gouramis, black skirt tetras, Mollies etc.   And I was trying to be creative and draw a Utah shape under my name. Needless to say - I sucked at it. :D --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 10:05 AM The Kitty Litter came up when discussing a tank that someone saw on YouTube where they made a faux rock background and then used kitty litter and gravel as a substrate. You might want to do a search of the groups messages for "sand substrate" as this has been discussed often. What kind of fish do you have that you want a sand substrate? It can look nice and some fish need/prefer sand substrates but it comes with it's own issues also. Is that supposed to be an ASCII "G" under your signature? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:42 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel vs Sand substrate > what is your take on this? So I am currently using gravel/rocks/ pebbles for my substrate in all my tanks and bowls. I am considering switching to sand. I just want some opinions on this topic. And I am also still scratching my head about the Kitty litter thing. - Is that a suggestion for substrate? Or for cleaning purposes??   thanks in advance, Gail ______ I I____ I     I I        I I        I I        I I________I

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Depends on the "danios" since there are many species. For Zebra Danio's in a male betta tank, I would make sure there is a sufficient school of ZD's since they can be fin nippers... usually only to females of their own species... if they aren't kept in a full sized school. In a full school, they tend to school around and chase around each other but with only a couple of ZD's, they are less likely to school and might bother other fish as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Do danios get along with bettas? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish r-Encoding: quoted-printable Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra Danio's. Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" range and maybe others that I do not know about. http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was when I assumed they were Danio sized. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy' s. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36741	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Joe.. you must have missed my wink at the end of that comment. ;-) But I can promise you that lots of people probably ship fish and other critters into restrictive countries and they don't end up in prison over it. Heck... we've had 12+ million people sneak into our country and nothing happens to them for the most part. I can't imagine the Guv'ment seriously punishing someone who brings in a few of their pet fish. The worst thing would be that Guv'ment choosing to leave the fish in a quarantine area only to have the fish die... now how antithetical is that? In trying to protect animal's rights.. they kill the animals. Typical Guv'ment! LOL Kind of like PeTa and HSUS spend millions of dollars each year claiming to save animals and then inhumanely kill 99% of the animals they "save". If I was an animal, I'd run like Hell if I saw a Peta or HSUS member coming to save me. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange question Good grief. Do not do as Lenny is suggesting!! If you are caught, they may accuse you of who knows what. Then you would not be coming home for who knows how long, but not of your own volition. LOL. Talk to someone who's up on these things. Do not mess yourself up over a few fish. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or > UPS overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish shipped to > you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has > some strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have > problems getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live > fish" or anything > like that. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Mazur > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. > > Thanks > > -- > http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ > http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ > http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > James A. Lovell >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36742	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

You can't do the carry-on anymore because they only let you bring 3 oz. of liquid in any one container now. I don't think many fish would make it very long in only 3 oz. of water. Of course, one of them customized overcoats with all the pockets sewn into the inside of them like smugglers use might work. ;-) If I didn't have someone here to rehome the fish with, I'd probably take a chance on FedEx'ing them to myself at my new address. ;-) JUST KIDDING JOE!!!.. or maybe not. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange question I'd just like to say that you should probably re-home your current fish and start fresh when you get to Germany. Only if you have rare or valuable fish should you consider moving them with you. The cost will be pretty steep for shipping, and I do not know what the current customs regulations are for bring such fish into Germany. If you do take them, you might want to consider them to be carry-on baggage rather than shipping them, but the airlines might not allow it, though you may be using a military transport (which may obviate the need to go through customs--I don't know). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > jett07002 > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange question > > Good grief. Do not do as Lenny is suggesting!! If you are caught, > they may accuse you of who knows what. Then you would not be coming > home for who knows how long, but not of your own volition. LOL. > > Talk to someone who's up on these things. Do not mess yourself up > over a few fish. > > joe t > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or > > UPS overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish > shipped to > > you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has > > some strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have > > problems getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live > > fish" or > anything > > like that. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Robert Mazur > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question > > > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in > April > > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that > far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ > > http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ > > http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ > > > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch > things > > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be > successful, you > > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > > James A. Lovell

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36743	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Hmmm.. I was thinking that the ZD's would "act" better in a larger group.. at least they should.. but sometimes them darn fish don't read the same stuff we do. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as far as how they act. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Do danios get along with bettas? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > r-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra > Danio's. > Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and > very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > > There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" > range and > maybe others that I do not know about. > http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> > > ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but > ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. > > Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several > years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo > coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo > gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Debra > Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of > 6 > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > platy's/guppy' s. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish > > are > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon > > colors > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - > > but > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these > > two > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > > net>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > > I > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > > misses, > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some > > shrimp > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

Here's the link to the first part of 10 parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nrPdnzW6eo There's also a "View in HQ" link to the right bottom of the video. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL I think I missed it, but I remember the talk about it. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Nope.. but did you get that link to the YouTube series on the NatGeo > special on cichlids called "Jewel Of The Rifts"? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Darn can't zoom in to see any wild cichlids ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > follow-up.... At least Ketchikan is better than the Rift Lakes of > Africa. > > Even at 18,000', things were getting blurry over there... although > > there were a few higher resolution areas where I could zoom down to > > the > 5,000' > > level. Well, I just flew around the world so now I'm heading back to > work. > > LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all > > about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get > > here > > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to > > look for moose, LOL. > > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and > > humpbacks travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown > > bear here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them > > on the other side of the island across the mountains). > > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, > > > just fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the > > > area every once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the > > > like if it just happens to step out into a clearing to have its > > > picture taken. Now, an otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving > a big > wake. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and > > > such, it's not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to > > > rely on Amber to > > take > > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > > wandering to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL > > > With Google Earth, you can't even make out a model of a car/truck > > > with it. Some areas have > > higher > > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > > had the > > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > > images. It's > > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > > uses.. or > > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

LOL, had me wondering for a moment there Lenny, then I thought, "wait all I took pictures of were fish" haha Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > They just got approved. Did you intend to include the Boudoir pic of you? > <G> > > That should get the guys rushing over to your photo album now. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > Okay I'm uploading pics now of the Hillstream Loaches (Sewellia > Lineolata), > they are doing very good in the tank so far. They are a little skittish to > movement outside of the tank, but the other fish don't seem to bother > them. > I managed to get a few good pics out of hundres, LOL. They are very quick, > even harder to take pics of than my glo-fish danio's. They are not as pale > as last night so I think things are going well :) The pics can be found in > my group folder (Amber Berglund), or as Lenny pointed out you can > search for > "last modified" too, and that should bring up mine after they are > approved. > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36746	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL

With fiber, you are ahead of a lot of the country. Fiber just became available here in July, and I was one of the first installs in the neighborhood. And, to think that one of the main trunks of the Internet is only a few miles from here--talk about your last mile! <g> Also, one of the major peering and switching points. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > Well it doesn't surprise me that we have a lower resolution than the > bigger cities. We just got fiber optic internet this year! LOL. We're > behind on a lot of stuff technologically speaking. We do have cell > phones/digital tv/and direct tv, but a lot of stuff is limited, Oh and > we actually have Sirius radio ;) LOL. > I just wish we would get a better selection on cell phones, I swear we > get all the rejects or the old phones ;) > I spent nearly 400 on a cell phone on ebay last year because none of the > ones in town were good enough for me, LOL > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, Google doesn't spend as much money on images of the boonies > > as they do on the big cities. I was comparing the imaging that I get of > > N'Awlins to Ketchikan and you guys are on a much lower resolution than us. > > I can get down to around 200' above ground level before images in N'Awlins > > start to get blurry where they are pretty blurry even at 500' up there by > > you. > > > > Google Earth is still a great program to have as long as a computer can > > handle it since it's a BIG program and uses a lot of RAM when it's > > running... but for a free program, it's a good thing to have if you ever > > wanted to "fly over" and then zoom in and check out other areas around the > > world. I've been using it for years... even back when I had to pay for it > > when it was software owned by Keyhole before Google bought out Keyhole. > > NASA also offers a free program that is similar called Worldwind. Here's a > > review I wrote up back in 2005 when I compared Keyhole and Worldwind. > > > > http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-co mpar > > <http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2005/04/satellite-imaging-software-c ompar> > > ison.html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: was - My first 55g tank - now all about > > Ketchikan, Alaska LOL > > > > You wont see any moose here, they'd have to swim really far to get here > > ;) The nearest moose we have are in Kodiak Alaska, if you want to look for > > moose, LOL. > > You may spot a whale in the narrows though, we have orca and humpbacks > > travel through in the summer (don't see them in the winter much though). > > The biggest land wildlife that we have are the black bear (no brown bear > > here either, but there have been reports of people seeing them on the > > other > > side of the island across the mountains). > > That's pretty neat that Google Earth can pick up animals as well as > > vehicles, I may have to check it out myself now ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > > > > > Google Earth picked up the Caisson horses at Ft. Myer, Virginia, just > > > fine. I was stationed there in the '70s, so I check in on the area every > > > once in a while. You could probably spot a moose or the like if it just > > > happens to step out into a clearing to have its picture taken. Now, an > > > otter in the water? Not unless it's leaving a big wake. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > No. While Google Earth is able to "look" at buildings, roads and such, > > > it's > > > not good enough to look at wildlife. You'll have to rely on Amber to > > take > > > close-ups of the wild life... oops.. meant wildlife... my mind was > > > wandering > > > to that Coast Guard Beach she mentioned earlier. LOL With Google > > > Earth, you > > > can't even make out a model of a car/truck with it. Some areas have > > higher > > > resolution imagery than others but Ketchikan proper looked like it > > had the > > > good resolution but other areas nearby had the low resolution > > images. It's > > > not like the really good live satellite images that the Guv'ment > > uses.. or > > > that Jack Bauer uses in 24. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36747	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

I specifically wondered if the danios would go after the betta's fins. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Hmmm.. I was thinking that the ZD's would "act" better in a larger group.. at least they should.. but sometimes them darn fish don't read the same stuff we do. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as far as how they act. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Do danios get along with bettas? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > r-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra > Danio's. > Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and > very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > > There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" > range and > maybe others that I do not know about. > http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> > > ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but > ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. > > Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several > years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo > coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo > gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Debra > Penna-Fredericks > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of > 6 > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > platy's/guppy' s. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish > > are > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon > > colors > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - > > but > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these > > two > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > > net>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > > I > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > > misses, > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some > > shrimp > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36748	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Ah - see wehre your post ended up, Lenny! (Good ol' Yahoo) So you're saying danios don't nip fins if there's a large enough gruop of them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Depends on the "danios" since there are many species. For Zebra Danio's in a male betta tank, I would make sure there is a sufficient school of ZD's since they can be fin nippers... usually only to females of their own species... if they aren't kept in a full sized school. In a full school, they tend to school around and chase around each other but with only a couple of ZD's, they are less likely to school and might bother other fish as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Do danios get along with bettas? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish r-Encoding: quoted-printable Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra Danio's. Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are best. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" range and maybe others that I do not know about. http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several years ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was when I assumed they were Danio sized. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the platy's/guppy' s. Amber gail wrote: > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. > net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. > I > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > and a bunch of plants right? > > erika wilmington de usa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36749	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Well, I have ordinary danios and tetras, and was thinking about adding a betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick > on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). > Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as > far as how they act. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Do danios get along with bettas? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> r-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra >> Danio's. >> Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very >> active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are >> best. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html >> <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> >> >> There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" >> range and >> maybe others that I do not know about. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> >> >> ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, >> which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. >> >> Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several >> years >> ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as >> part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are >> genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I >> wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was >> when I >> assumed they were Danio sized. >> >> Deb P. >> >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: >> >> Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will >> >> work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 >> >> and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the >> >> platy's/guppy' s. >> >> Amber >> >> gail wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are >> >> > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors >> >> > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much >> >> > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to >> >> > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but >> >> > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two >> >> > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D >> >> > >> >> > Gail Johnson >> >> > >> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net >> >> > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. >> > net>> >> >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> > com> >> >> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM >> >> > >> >> > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. >> > I >> >> > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he >> > misses, >> >> > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp >> >> > and a bunch of plants right? >> >> > >> >> > erika wilmington de usa >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36750	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act

Steve here is the bill in whole I belive Joey ____________________________________ From: mr2can@... Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com To: TOUCANS_RAMPHASTIDS@yahoogroups.com, Toucan_Breeders_Association@yahoogroups.com, SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com, birdkeepers@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/28/2009 6:35:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act H.R.669 Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (Introduced in House) ____________________________________ January 26, 2009 Ms. BORDALLO (for herself, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. KIND, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mrs. NAPOLITANO, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. KLEIN of Florida, and Mr. KILDEE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources ____________________________________ A BILL To prevent the introduction and establishment of nonnative wildlife species that negatively impact the economy, environment, or other animal species' or human health, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the <ST1><ST1>United States of in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act'. SEC. 2. PURPOSE. The purpose of this Act is to establish a risk assessment process to prevent the introduction into, and establishment in, the <ST1><ST1>Uniof nonnative wildlife species that will cause or are likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' health or human health. SEC. 3. RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR IMPORTATION OF NONNATIVE WILDLIFE SPECIES. (a) In General- The Secretary of the Interior, acting through the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, shall promulgate regulations that establish a process for assessing the risk of all nonnative wildlife species proposed for importation into the <ST1><ST1>Uni, other than nonnative wildlife species that are included in the list of approved species issued under section 4. (b) Factors To Be Considered- The regulations promulgated under subsection (a) shall include consideration of-- (1) the identity of the organism to the species level, including to the extent possible specific information on its subspecies and genetic identity; (2) the native range of the species; (3) whether the species has established or spread, or caused harm to the economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health in ecosystems in or ecosystems that are similar to those in the United States; (4) the likelihood that environmental conditions suitable for the establishment or spread of the species exist in the <ST1><ST1>United ; (5) the likelihood of establishment of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; (6) the likelihood of spread of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; (7) the likelihood that the species would harm wildlife resources in the <ST1><ST1>United ; (8) the likelihood that the species would harm native species that are rare or native species that have been listed as threatened species or endangered species in the United States under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq.); (9) the likelihood that the species would harm habitats or ecosystems in the <ST1><ST1>United ; (10) the likelihood that pathogenic species or parasitic species may accompany the species proposed for importation; and (11) other factors important to assessing the risks associated with the species, consistent with the purpose under section 2. (c) Notice- In promulgating the regulations under subsection (a), the Secretary shall provide notice to States, Indian tribes, other stakeholders concerned with environmental, humane, public health, economic, trade, and other relevant issues, the Aquatic Nuisance Species Task Force, the National Invasive Species Council, the Department of Agriculture, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (d) Transparency- The Secretary shall ensure that the risk assessment process established by the regulations under subsection (a) is based on sound science and is consistent with sections 4 and 5. (e) Deadlines- The Secretary shall-- (1) publish in the Federal Register proposed regulations under subsection (a) and a proposed preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), by not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act; (2) publish in the Federal Register final regulations under subsection (a), a final preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), and a notice of the prohibitions under this Act, by not later than 30 days before the date on which the Secretary begins assessing risk under the regulations; and (3) begin assessing risk with respect to nonnative wildlife species under the final regulations promulgated under subsection (a), and publish notice thereof, by not later than 37 months after the date of the enactment of this Act. (f) Animals Owned Lawfully Prior to Prohibition of Importation- This Act and regulations issued under this Act shall not interfere with the ability of any person to possess an individual animal of any species if such individual animal was legally owned by the person before the risk assessment is begun pursuant to subsection (e)(3), even if such species is later prohibited from being imported under the regulations issued under this Act. SEC. 4. LIST OF APPROVED SPECIES. (a) Requirement To Issue List of Approved Species- (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list of nonnative wildlife species approved for importation into the United States. (2) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN SPECIES- The Secretary shall not include in the list-- (A) any species included in the list of prohibited species under section 5; or (B) any species, the importation of which is prohibited by any other Federal law or regulation of the United States due to the likelihood of causing harm to the economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health. (3) REVISION- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section based on available scientific and commercial information. (b) Preliminary List- (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall include in the preliminary list under this section nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds, consistent with the factors described in section 3(b) and based on scientific and commercial information that is provided in a proposal under paragraph (2) or otherwise available to the Secretary-- (A) are not harmful to the <ST1><ST1>Uni' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health; or (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States. (2) PROPOSALS FOR INCLUSION IN PRELIMINARY LIST- The Secretary-- (A) shall, by not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, publish in the Federal Register, and make available on a publically available Federal Internet site, a request for submission, by any interested persons (including persons that import or that intend to import nonnative wildlife species), of proposals of nonnative wildlife species to be included in the preliminary list under this subsection and supporting documentation for such proposals; (B) shall accept such proposals for 10 months after the date the Secretary publishes the request for submissions; and (C) may propose a nonnative wildlife species for inclusion in the preliminary list. (3) PUBLIC NOTICE AND COMMENT- Before issuing the final preliminary list of approved species under this subsection, the Secretary shall-- (A) publish in the Federal Register and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site, the proposed preliminary list; and (B) provide for, a period of not less than 60 days, an opportunity to submit public comments on the proposed preliminary list. (4) PUBLICATION OF LIST- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site, the final preliminary list under this subsection. (c) Proposal for Inclusion on the Approved List- (1) SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS- (A) IN GENERAL- After publication of the final preliminary list under subsection (b)-- (i) any interested person may submit to the Secretary in accordance with subparagraph (B) a proposal to include a nonnative wildlife species in the approved list under this section (including a request to import such a species that is not in the list published under this section and section 5, respectively)(i) any (ii) upon receipt of a complete proposal under clause (i), the Secretary shall publish notice of the proposal in the Federal Register and provide an opportunity for 30 days of public comment on the proposal. (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this paragraph must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. (2) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with the regulations issued under section 3: (A) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation, and is added to the list of approved species under this section. (B) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation, unless permitted under section 7. (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). (3) TREATMENT OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination under paragraph (2)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in the list of unapproved species under section 5. (4) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (2) and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate means, the basis for the determination. SEC. 5. LIST OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES. (a) Requirement To Issue List of Unapproved Species- (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list of nonnative wildlife species that are prohibited from importation into the <ST1><ST1>United except as provided in section 7. (2) INCLUDED SPECIES- The list under this subsection shall include-- (A) those species listed as injurious wildlife under section 42 of title 18, United States Code, or under regulations under that section, as of the date of enactment of this Act; and (B) any other species the Secretary determines under section 4(c)(2)(B) is not approved for importation. (b) Proposal for Inclusion on the List of Unapproved Species- (1) PROPOSAL- (A) IN GENERAL- Any person may submit to the Secretary a proposal to add to the list under this section any nonnative wildlife species. (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this subsection must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. (2) NOTICE- The Secretary shall publish notice of a complete proposal in the Federal Register and provide an opportunity for 30 days of public comment on the proposal. (3) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with regulations issued under section 3: (A) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation except as provided in section 7, and is added to the list of unapproved species under this section. (B) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation. (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). (4) TREATMENT OF APPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination under paragraph (3)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in the list of approved species under section 4. (5) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (3) and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate means the basis for the determination. (c) Revision- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section based on any scientific and commercial information available to the Secretary. (d) Emergency Authority and Temporary Prohibition- (1) IN GENERAL- If the Secretary determines that an emergency exists because a nonnative wildlife species poses an imminent threat of harm to the United States economy, the environment, or human or animal species' health, the Secretary may temporarily include the nonnative wildlife species in the list of unapproved species under this section and, as appropriate, remove the species from the list of approved species under section 4. (2) NOTICE OF TEMPORARY LISTING- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register notice of each temporary listing under this subsection and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate means the basis for the temporary listing. (3) DETERMINATION- Within 180 days after temporarily including a nonnative wildlife species in the unapproved species list under this section, the Secretary shall make a final determination under subsection (b)(3) regarding the species, publish in the Federal Register notice of the final determination, and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate means the basis for the final determination. (4) LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)(4) LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)<WBR>, subsection (b)(2) of this section, and section 553 of title 5, Un SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES. (a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the <ST1><ST1>United to-- (1) import into or export from the <ST1><ST1>United any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4; (2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4; (3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7; (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes. (b) Penalties and Enforcement- Any person who violates subsection (a) shall be subject to the civil penalties and criminal penalties described in section 4 of the Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (16 U.S.C. 3373). Sections 4(b), 4(e), 5, and 6 of that Act shall apply to such a violation in the same manner as they apply to a violation of that Act. (c) Limitation on Application- (1) IN GENERAL- The prohibitions in subsection (a) shall not apply to-- (A) any action by Federal, State, tribal, or local law enforcement personnel to enforce this section; and (B) any action by Federal or State officials to prevent the introduction or establishment of nonnative wildlife species. (2) IMPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION BY FEDERAL AGENCIES- Nothing in this Act shall restrict the import or transportation between any States of nonnative wildlife species by a Federal agency for its own use, if the nonnative wildlife species remains in the possession of a Federal agency. (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect upon the publication of notice under section 3(e)(3). SEC. 7. PERMITS. (a) In General- The Secretary may issue a permit authorizing importation otherwise prohibited under section 6(a)(1), for scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary, if the Secretary finds that there has been a proper showing by the permittee of responsibility for the specimen and continued protection of the public interest and health with respect to the specimen. (b) Terms and Conditions- The Secretary may include in a permit under subsection (a) terms and conditions to minimize the risk of introduction or establishment of the nonnative wildlife species in the <ST1><ST1>United . SEC. 8. FEES. (a) Fee for Proposal To Include Species in List- (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall establish in the regulations under section 3, and collect, a fee from any person that after publication of the final preliminary list under section 4(b) submits to the Secretary-- (A) a proposal under section 4(c) to include a nonnative wildlife species to the list of approved species under section 4; or (B) a proposal under section 5(b) to include a nonnative wildlife species to the list of unapproved species under section 5. (2) PURPOSE- The fee shall be to recover costs of assessing risk of nonnative wildlife species under the regulations issued under section 3. (b) Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund- (1) ESTABLISHMENT- There is established in the Treasury a separate account, which shall be known as the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund. (2) CONTENTS- There shall be deposited into the account all amounts received by the <ST1><ST1>United as fees under this section or as fines for violations of this Act and its implementing regulations. (3) USE- Amounts in the account shall be available to the Secretary, subject to the availability of appropriations, for the purposes of implementing this Act. ____________________________________ From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the _latest news_ (http://aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) . **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36751	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

From my understanding this bill could include wild and farm raised many farm raised fish and animals. are imported from asia and europe. I belived it was on this list that somebody had mentioned they had seen zebra danios mentioned as being wild in certain parts of the U.S. Also look at the water ways in Florida and many parts of the south of all the introduced species. If PETA and the HSUS have their way many fish and other animals that we know are not a threat could be considered invasive. Joey **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36752	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: a Quiz: What is the most you've paid for a fish?

Forty dollars each for a pair of albimarginata bettas **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Dora, There's no such thing as "ordinary danios and tetras". We've been through this a few times. There are hundreds of species of danios and tetras ... some stay pretty small like the Neon Tetra (1.5" to 2") and Zebra Danio (2" to 2.5") and others grow to 5" to 6"+... and possibly much larger species that I am not aware of. I just went to http://www.Fishbase.org and did a search on "danio" as part of the common name and 146 profiles came up. A similar search for "tetra" came up with a list of 1,028 profiles. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Well, I have ordinary danios and tetras, and was thinking about adding a betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick > on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). > Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as > far as how they act. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Do danios get along with bettas? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> r-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra >> Danio's. >> Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very >> active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are >> best. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html >> <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> >> >> There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" >> range and >> maybe others that I do not know about. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> >> >> ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, >> which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. >> >> Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several >> years >> ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as >> part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are >> genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I >> wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was >> when I >> assumed they were Danio sized. >> >> Deb P. >> >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: >> >> Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will >> >> work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 >> >> and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the >> >> platy's/guppy' s. >> >> Amber >> >> gail wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are >> >> > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors >> >> > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much >> >> > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to >> >> > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but >> >> > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two >> >> > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D >> >> > >> >> > Gail Johnson >> >> > >> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net >> >> > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. >> > net>> >> >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> > com> >> >> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM >> >> > >> >> > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. >> > I >> >> > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he >> > misses, >> >> > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp >> >> > and a bunch of plants right? >> >> > >> >> > erika wilmington de usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36754	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Gee Robert, I think this might be a difficult task, not just because of Germany, but because you will want to bring them back home later. The U.S. is extremely strict about bringing live animals into the U.S. You will have to get a license to bring them in or risk smuggling them in when you return. Keep in mind that if you fly back and ship them in luggage, the luggage compartments on airplanes are not heated (at least not as I understand it) and they do have pressure issues. If you take them carry-on, your luggage will be screened and it will be pretty hard to convince the screeners that your fish are something other than fish. "Uh-yeah, that's my fancy soap. I store it in bags of water.... What 'no liquid' rule?" I think you might be better off finding a fish-sitter until you return or re-homing your fish here and just starting over if you will not return for a long time. You can always get a tank while you are in Germany. What fun it will be to see what varieties are available in their LFSs! Please stay in the group and let us know about your fish-keeping experiences in Germany. We'll want pictures of your new tank for sure. : ) Best, Deb P. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Robert Mazur <rpmazur@...> wrote: Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. Thanks -- http://www.pbase. com/mazurgallery / http://themazurplac e.blogspot. com/ http://www.flickr. com/photos/ rpmazur/ http://s19.photobuc ket.com/albums/ b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36755	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention

Yes, it was published today and a PDF of it can be found at http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills &docid=f:h669ih.txt.pdf TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/aolrpp This is the Government Printing Office (gpo.gov), that prints all the stuff like this. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention > Act > > Steve here is the bill in whole I belive > > Joey > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mr2can@... > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com > To: TOUCANS_RAMPHASTIDS@yahoogroups.com, > Toucan_Breeders_Association@yahoogroups.com, SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com, > birdkeepers@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 1/28/2009 6:35:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act > > > > > > H.R.669 > Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (Introduced in House) > > ____________________________________ > > January 26, 2009 > Ms. BORDALLO (for herself, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, > Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. KIND, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mrs. NAPOLITANO, Mr. > GRIJALVA, Mr. KLEIN of Florida, and Mr. KILDEE) introduced the following bill; > which was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources > > ____________________________________ > > A BILL > To prevent the introduction and establishment of nonnative wildlife species > that negatively impact the economy, environment, or other animal species' or > human health, and for other purposes. > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the > <ST1><ST1>United States of in Congress assembled, > SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > This Act may be cited as the `Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act'. > SEC. 2. PURPOSE. > The purpose of this Act is to establish a risk assessment process to prevent > the introduction into, and establishment in, the <ST1><ST1>Uniof nonnative > wildlife species that will cause or are likely to cause economic or > environmental harm or harm to other animal species' health or human health. > SEC. 3. RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR IMPORTATION OF NONNATIVE WILDLIFE > SPECIES. > (a) In General- The Secretary of the Interior, acting through the United > States Fish and Wildlife Service, shall promulgate regulations that establish a > process for assessing the risk of all nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation into the <ST1><ST1>Uni, other than nonnative wildlife species > that are included in the list of approved species issued under section 4. > (b) Factors To Be Considered- The regulations promulgated under subsection > (a) shall include consideration of-- > (1) the identity of the organism to the species level, including to the > extent possible specific information on its subspecies and genetic identity; > (2) the native range of the species; > (3) whether the species has established or spread, or caused harm to the > economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health in ecosystems > in or ecosystems that are similar to those in the United States; > (4) the likelihood that environmental conditions suitable for the > establishment or spread of the species exist in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (5) the likelihood of establishment of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (6) the likelihood of spread of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (7) the likelihood that the species would harm wildlife resources in the > <ST1><ST1>United ; > (8) the likelihood that the species would harm native species that are rare > or native species that have been listed as threatened species or endangered > species in the United States under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 > U.S.C. 1531 et seq.); > (9) the likelihood that the species would harm habitats or ecosystems in the > <ST1><ST1>United ; > (10) the likelihood that pathogenic species or parasitic species may > accompany the species proposed for importation; and > (11) other factors important to assessing the risks associated with the > species, consistent with the purpose under section 2. > (c) Notice- In promulgating the regulations under subsection (a), the > Secretary shall provide notice to States, Indian tribes, other stakeholders > concerned with environmental, humane, public health, economic, trade, and other > relevant issues, the Aquatic Nuisance Species Task Force, the National Invasive > Species Council, the Department of Agriculture, and the Centers for Disease > Control and Prevention. > (d) Transparency- The Secretary shall ensure that the risk assessment > process established by the regulations under subsection (a) is based on sound > science and is consistent with sections 4 and 5. > (e) Deadlines- The Secretary shall-- > (1) publish in the Federal Register proposed regulations under subsection > (a) and a proposed preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), by > not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act; > (2) publish in the Federal Register final regulations under subsection (a), > a final preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), and a notice > of the prohibitions under this Act, by not later than 30 days before the > date on which the Secretary begins assessing risk under the regulations; and > (3) begin assessing risk with respect to nonnative wildlife species under > the final regulations promulgated under subsection (a), and publish notice > thereof, by not later than 37 months after the date of the enactment of this Act. > (f) Animals Owned Lawfully Prior to Prohibition of Importation- This Act and > regulations issued under this Act shall not interfere with the ability of > any person to possess an individual animal of any species if such individual > animal was legally owned by the person before the risk assessment is begun > pursuant to subsection (e)(3), even if such species is later prohibited from > being imported under the regulations issued under this Act. > SEC. 4. LIST OF APPROVED SPECIES. > (a) Requirement To Issue List of Approved Species- > (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this > Act, the Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list of nonnative > wildlife species approved for importation into the United States. > (2) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN SPECIES- The Secretary shall not include in the > list-- > (A) any species included in the list of prohibited species under section 5; > or > (B) any species, the importation of which is prohibited by any other Federal > law or regulation of the United States due to the likelihood of causing harm > to the economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health. > (3) REVISION- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section > based on available scientific and commercial information. > (b) Preliminary List- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall include in the preliminary list under > this section nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds, consistent > with the factors described in section 3(b) and based on scientific and > commercial information that is provided in a proposal under paragraph (2) or > otherwise available to the Secretary-- > (A) are not harmful to the <ST1><ST1>Uni' economy, the environment, or > other animal species' or human health; or > (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other > animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United > States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or > restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States. > (2) PROPOSALS FOR INCLUSION IN PRELIMINARY LIST- The Secretary-- > (A) shall, by not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this > Act, publish in the Federal Register, and make available on a publically > available Federal Internet site, a request for submission, by any interested persons > (including persons that import or that intend to import nonnative wildlife > species), of proposals of nonnative wildlife species to be included in the > preliminary list under this subsection and supporting documentation for such > proposals; > (B) shall accept such proposals for 10 months after the date the Secretary > publishes the request for submissions; and > (C) may propose a nonnative wildlife species for inclusion in the > preliminary list. > (3) PUBLIC NOTICE AND COMMENT- Before issuing the final preliminary list of > approved species under this subsection, the Secretary shall-- > (A) publish in the Federal Register and make available on a publicly > available Federal Internet site, the proposed preliminary list; and > (B) provide for, a period of not less than 60 days, an opportunity to submit > public comments on the proposed preliminary list. > (4) PUBLICATION OF LIST- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register > and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site, the final > preliminary list under this subsection. > (c) Proposal for Inclusion on the Approved List- > (1) SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS- > (A) IN GENERAL- After publication of the final preliminary list under > subsection (b)-- > (i) any interested person may submit to the Secretary in accordance with > subparagraph (B) a proposal to include a nonnative wildlife species in the > approved list under this section (including a request to import such a species > that is not in the list published under this section and section 5, > respectively)(i) any > (ii) upon receipt of a complete proposal under clause (i), the Secretary > shall publish notice of the proposal in the Federal Register and provide an > opportunity for 30 days of public comment on the proposal. > (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this paragraph must include > sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to > evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause > economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. > (2) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided > in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the > Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a > proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with the regulations > issued under section 3: > (A) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation, and is added > to the list of approved species under this section. > (B) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation, unless > permitted under section 7. > (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to > make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). > (3) TREATMENT OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination > under paragraph (2)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is not approved for > importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in > the list of unapproved species under section 5. > (4) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (2) and make available > on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate > means, the basis for the determination. > SEC. 5. LIST OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES. > (a) Requirement To Issue List of Unapproved Species- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list > of nonnative wildlife species that are prohibited from importation into the > <ST1><ST1>United except as provided in section 7. > (2) INCLUDED SPECIES- The list under this subsection shall include-- > (A) those species listed as injurious wildlife under section 42 of title 18, > United States Code, or under regulations under that section, as of the date > of enactment of this Act; and > (B) any other species the Secretary determines under section 4(c)(2)(B) is > not approved for importation. > (b) Proposal for Inclusion on the List of Unapproved Species- > (1) PROPOSAL- > (A) IN GENERAL- Any person may submit to the Secretary a proposal to add to > the list under this section any nonnative wildlife species. > (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this subsection must include > sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to > evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause > economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. > (2) NOTICE- The Secretary shall publish notice of a complete proposal in the > Federal Register and provide an opportunity for 30 days of public comment on > the proposal. > (3) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided > in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the > Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a > proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with regulations > issued under section 3: > (A) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation except as > provided in section 7, and is added to the list of unapproved species under > this section. > (B) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation. > (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to > make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). > (4) TREATMENT OF APPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination > under paragraph (3)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is approved for > importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in the > list of approved species under section 4. > (5) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (3) and make available > on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate > means the basis for the determination. > (c) Revision- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section > based on any scientific and commercial information available to the Secretary. > (d) Emergency Authority and Temporary Prohibition- > (1) IN GENERAL- If the Secretary determines that an emergency exists because > a nonnative wildlife species poses an imminent threat of harm to the United > States economy, the environment, or human or animal species' health, the > Secretary may temporarily include the nonnative wildlife species in the list of > unapproved species under this section and, as appropriate, remove the species > from the list of approved species under section 4. > (2) NOTICE OF TEMPORARY LISTING- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of each temporary listing under this subsection and make > available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other > appropriate means the basis for the temporary listing. > (3) DETERMINATION- Within 180 days after temporarily including a nonnative > wildlife species in the unapproved species list under this section, the > Secretary shall make a final determination under subsection (b)(3) regarding the > species, publish in the Federal Register notice of the final determination, > and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through > other appropriate means the basis for the final determination. > (4) LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)(4) > LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)<WBR>, > subsection (b)(2) of this section, and section 553 of title 5, Un > SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES. > (a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is > unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the <ST1><ST1>United > to-- > (1) import into or export from the <ST1><ST1>United any nonnative wildlife > species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under > section 4; > (2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative > wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under > section 4; > (3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7; > (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, > purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any > nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph > (1); > (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited > from being imported under paragraph (1); or > (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being > imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for > breeding purposes. > (b) Penalties and Enforcement- Any person who violates subsection (a) shall > be subject to the civil penalties and criminal penalties described in section > 4 of the Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (16 U.S.C. 3373). Sections 4(b), 4(e), > 5, and 6 of that Act shall apply to such a violation in the same manner as > they apply to a violation of that Act. > (c) Limitation on Application- > (1) IN GENERAL- The prohibitions in subsection (a) shall not apply to-- > (A) any action by Federal, State, tribal, or local law enforcement personnel > to enforce this section; and > (B) any action by Federal or State officials to prevent the introduction or > establishment of nonnative wildlife species. > (2) IMPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION BY FEDERAL AGENCIES- Nothing in this Act > shall restrict the import or transportation between any States of nonnative > wildlife species by a Federal agency for its own use, if the nonnative > wildlife species remains in the possession of a Federal agency. > (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect upon the publication of > notice under section 3(e)(3). > SEC. 7. PERMITS. > (a) In General- The Secretary may issue a permit authorizing importation > otherwise prohibited under section 6(a)(1), for scientific research, medical, > accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes > that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary, if > the Secretary finds that there has been a proper showing by the permittee of > responsibility for the specimen and continued protection of the public > interest and health with respect to the specimen. > (b) Terms and Conditions- The Secretary may include in a permit under > subsection (a) terms and conditions to minimize the risk of introduction or > establishment of the nonnative wildlife species in the <ST1><ST1>United . > SEC. 8. FEES. > (a) Fee for Proposal To Include Species in List- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall establish in the regulations under > section 3, and collect, a fee from any person that after publication of the final > preliminary list under section 4(b) submits to the Secretary-- > (A) a proposal under section 4(c) to include a nonnative wildlife species to > the list of approved species under section 4; or > (B) a proposal under section 5(b) to include a nonnative wildlife species to > the list of unapproved species under section 5. > (2) PURPOSE- The fee shall be to recover costs of assessing risk of > nonnative wildlife species under the regulations issued under section 3. > (b) Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund- > (1) ESTABLISHMENT- There is established in the Treasury a separate account, > which shall be known as the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund. > (2) CONTENTS- There shall be deposited into the account all amounts received > by the <ST1><ST1>United as fees under this section or as fines for > violations of this Act and its implementing regulations. > (3) USE- Amounts in the account shall be available to the Secretary, subject > to the availability of appropriations, for the purposes of implementing this > Act. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36756	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

Have you been back to Big Al's yet to find out the name of that fish? I haven't seen anything more posted yet (unless I missed it), or are you purposely keeping us in suspense for some ulterior motive (LOL)? Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > i was at big als the other day (yes we have one in canada, 45 minutes from my home) > and they had this fresh water fish that looked like a pencil, i forget the name now but i am thinking of getting one they stay pencil thin and grow about 6 inches long > forgot to add that it is of the algae eater family > > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36757	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

I just did a quick read of the proposed bill at the URL I posted earlier. It does not look good. Any animal that is not found on a "white list" cannot be imported. There is also to be developed a "black list" of prohibited animals. There is a very short timeline given to develop the first list after passage of the bill and formulation of regulations Since many, if not all, the species we keep can survive in waters found somewhere in the US, it looks to be very bad at this juncture. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o > > From my understanding this bill could include wild and farm raised many farm > raised fish and animals. are imported from asia and europe. I belived it was > on this list that somebody had mentioned they had seen zebra danios > mentioned as being wild in certain parts of the U.S. Also look at the water ways in > Florida and many parts of the south of all the introduced species. If PETA and > the HSUS have their way many fish and other animals that we know are not a > threat could be considered invasive. > > Joey > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36758	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention

I'm tracking it now on http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669 where you can also see the bill on the webpage without having to open/download the .pdf file. This type of "bill"... and 90% of the other dribble that comes out of Washington, D.C., is the result of Congress having too much time on their hands... and also having WAY too much of our money in their hands... or should that be in their pockets, freezers, safety deposit boxes, offshore bank accounts, etc.. ;-) BTW, \\Steve//, your TinyURL didn't work for me so I just pasted together the broken link. Thanks for the link though. I did download the PDF file also for later reading and then I can recycle it in my bathroom. There's my new Tree Hugging slogan... "Save A Tree... wipe your butt with a Congressional Bill" (but don't use my soon-to-be-convicted Congressman "Dollar Bill" Jefferson. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act Yes, it was published today and a PDF of it can be found at http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills &docid=f:h669ih.txt.pdf TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/aolrpp This is the Government Printing Office (gpo.gov), that prints all the stuff like this. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention > Act > > Steve here is the bill in whole I belive > > Joey > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mr2can@... > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com > To: TOUCANS_RAMPHASTIDS@yahoogroups.com, > Toucan_Breeders_Association@yahoogroups.com, SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com, > birdkeepers@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 1/28/2009 6:35:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Non Native Wildlife Inv asion Prevention Act > > > > > > H.R.669 > Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (Introduced in House) > > ____________________________________ > > January 26, 2009 > Ms. BORDALLO (for herself, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, > Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. KIND, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mrs. NAPOLITANO, Mr. > GRIJALVA, Mr. KLEIN of Florida, and Mr. KILDEE) introduced the following bill; > which was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources > > ____________________________________ > > A BILL > To prevent the introduction and establishment of nonnative wildlife species > that negatively impact the economy, environment, or other animal species' or > human health, and for other purposes. > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the > <ST1><ST1>United States of in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT > TITLE. > This Act may be cited as the `Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act'. > SEC. 2. PURPOSE. > The purpose of this Act is to establish a risk assessment process to prevent > the introduction into, and establishment in, the <ST1><ST1>Uniof nonnative > wildlife species that will cause or are likely to cause economic or > environmental harm or harm to other animal species' health or human health. > SEC. 3. RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR IMPORTATION OF NONNATIVE WILDLIFE > SPECIES. > (a) In General- The Secretary of the Interior, acting through the United > States Fish and Wildlife Service, shall promulgate regulations that establish a > process for assessing the risk of all nonnative wildlife species proposed for > importation into the <ST1><ST1>Uni, other than nonnative wildlife species > that are included in the list of approved species issued under section 4. > (b) Factors To Be Considered- The regulations promulgated under subsection > (a) shall include consideration of-- > (1) the identity of the organism to the species level, including to the > extent possible specific information on its subspecies and genetic identity; > (2) the native range of the species; > (3) whether the species has established or spread, or caused harm to the > economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health in ecosystems > in or ecosystems that are similar to those in the United States; > (4) the likelihood that environmental conditions suitable for the > establishment or spread of the species exist in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (5) the likelihood of establishment of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (6) the likelihood of spread of the species in the <ST1><ST1>United ; > (7) the likelihood that the species would harm wildlife resources in the > <ST1><ST1>United ; > (8) the likelihood that the species would harm native species that are rare > or native species that have been listed as threatened species or endangered > species in the United States under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 > U.S.C. 1531 et seq.); > (9) the likelihood that the species would harm habitats or ecosystems in the > <ST1><ST1>United ; > (10) the likelihood that pathogenic species or parasitic species may > accompany the species proposed for importation; and > (11) other factors important to assessing the risks associated with the > species, consistent with the purpose under section 2. > (c) Notice- In promulgating the regulations under subsection (a), the > Secretary shall provide notice to States, Indian tribes, other stakeholders > concerned with environmental, humane, public health, economic, trade, and other > relevant issues, the Aquatic Nuisance Species Task Force, the National Invasive > Species Council, the Department of Agriculture, and the Centers for Disease > Control and Prevention. > (d) Transparency- The Secretary shall ensure that the risk assessment > process established by the regulations under subsection (a) is based on sound > science and is consistent with sections 4 and 5. > (e) Deadlines- The Secretary shall-- > (1) publish in the Federal Register proposed regulations under subsection > (a) and a proposed preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), by > not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act; > (2) publish in the Federal Register final regulations under subsection (a), > a final preliminary list of approved species under section 4(b), and a notice > of the prohibitions under this Act, by not later than 30 days before the > date on which the Secretary begins assessing risk under the regulations; and > (3) begin assessing risk with respect to nonnative wildlife species under > the final regulations promulgated under subsection (a), and publish notice > thereof, by not later than 37 months after the date of the enactment of this Act. > (f) Animals Owned Lawfully Prior to Prohibition of Importation- This Act and > regulations issued under this Act shall not interfere with the ability of > any person to possess an individual animal of any species if such individual > animal was legally owned by the person before the risk assessment is begun > pursuant to subsection (e)(3), even if such species is later prohibited from > being imported under the regulations issued under this Act. > SEC. 4. LIST OF APPROVED SPECIES. > (a) Requirement To Issue List of Approved Species- > (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this > Act, the Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list of nonnative > wildlife species approved for importation into the United States. > (2) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN SPECIES- The Secretary shall not include in the > list-- > (A) any species included in the list of prohibited species under section 5; > or > (B) any species, the importation of which is prohibited by any other Federal > law or regulation of the United States due to the likelihood of causing harm > to the economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health. > (3) REVISION- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section > based on available scientific and commercial information. > (b) Preliminary List- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall include in the preliminary list under > this section nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds, consistent > with the factors described in section 3(b) and based on scientific and > commercial information that is provided in a proposal under paragraph (2) or > otherwise available to the Secretary-- > (A) are not harmful to the <ST1><ST1>Uni' economy, the environment, or > other animal species' or human health; or > (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other > animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United > States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or > restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States. > (2) PROPOSALS FOR INCLUSION IN PRELIMINARY LIST- The Secretary-- > (A) shall, by not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this > Act, publish in the Federal Register, and make available on a publically > available Federal Internet site, a request for submission, by any interested persons > (including persons that import or that intend to import nonnative wildlife > species), of proposals of nonnative wildlife species to be included in the > preliminary list under this subsection and supporting documentation for such > proposals; > (B) shall accept such proposals for 10 months after the date the Secretary > publishes the request for submissions; and > (C) may propose a nonnative wildlife species for inclusion in the > preliminary list. > (3) PUBLIC NOTICE AND COMMENT- Before issuing the final preliminary list of > approved species under this subsection, the Secretary shall-- > (A) publish in the Federal Register and make available on a publicly > available Federal Internet site, the proposed preliminary list; and > (B) provide for, a period of not less than 60 days, an opportunity to submit > public comments on the proposed preliminary list. > (4) PUBLICATION OF LIST- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register > and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site, the final > preliminary list under this subsection. > (c) Proposal for Inclusion on the Approved List- > (1) SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS- > (A) IN GENERAL- After publication of the final preliminary list under > subsection (b)-- > (i) any interested person may submit to the Secretary in accordance with > subparagraph (B) a proposal to include a nonnative wildlife species in the > approved list under this section (including a request to import such a species > that is not in the list published under this section and section 5, > respectively)(i) any > (ii) upon receipt of a complete proposal under clause (i), the Secretary > shall publish notice of the proposal in the Federal Register and provide an > opportunity for 30 days of public comment on the proposal. > (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this paragraph must include > sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to > evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause > economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. > (2) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided > in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the > Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a > proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with the regulations > issued under section 3: > (A) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation, and is added > to the list of approved species under this section. > (B) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation, unless > permitted under section 7. > (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to > make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). > (3) TREATMENT OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination > under paragraph (2)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is not approved for > importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in > the list of unapproved species under section 5. > (4) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (2) and make available > on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate > means, the basis for the determination. > SEC. 5. LIST OF UNAPPROVED SPECIES. > (a) Requirement To Issue List of Unapproved Species- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a list > of nonnative wildlife species that are prohibited from importation into the > <ST1><ST1>United except as provided in section 7. > (2) INCLUDED SPECIES- The list under this subsection shall include-- > (A) those species listed as injurious wildlife under section 42 of title 18, > United States Code, or under regulations under that section, as of the date > of enactment of this Act; and > (B) any other species the Secretary determines under section 4(c)(2)(B) is > not approved for importation. > (b) Proposal for Inclusion on the List of Unapproved Species- > (1) PROPOSAL- > (A) IN GENERAL- Any person may submit to the Secretary a proposal to add to > the list under this section any nonnative wildlife species. > (B) INFORMATION REQUIRED- Any proposal under this subsection must include > sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to > evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause > economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health. > (2) NOTICE- The Secretary shall publish notice of a complete proposal in the > Federal Register and provide an opportunity for 30 days of public comment on > the proposal. > (3) DETERMINATION- Based on scientific and commercial information provided > in a proposal under paragraph (1) or otherwise available to the Secretary, the > Secretary shall make one of the following determinations regarding such a > proposal in a reasonable period of time and in accordance with regulations > issued under section 3: > (A) The nonnative wildlife species is not approved for importation except as > provided in section 7, and is added to the list of unapproved species under > this section. > (B) The nonnative wildlife species is approved for importation. > (C) The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to > make a determination under subparagraph (A) or (B). > (4) TREATMENT OF APPROVED SPECIES- If the Secretary makes a determination > under paragraph (3)(B) that a nonnative wildlife species is approved for > importation, the Secretary shall include the nonnative wildlife species in the > list of approved species under section 4. > (5) NOTICE OF DETERMINATION- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of the determination made under paragraph (3) and make available > on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other appropriate > means the basis for the determination. > (c) Revision- The Secretary may revise the list issued under this section > based on any scientific and commercial information available to the Secretary. > (d) Emergency Authority and Temporary Prohibition- > (1) IN GENERAL- If the Secretary determines that an emergency exists because > a nonnative wildlife species poses an imminent threat of harm to the United > States economy, the environment, or human or animal species' health, the > Secretary may temporarily include the nonnative wildlife species in the list of > unapproved species under this section and, as appropriate, remove the species > from the list of approved species under section 4. > (2) NOTICE OF TEMPORARY LISTING- The Secretary shall publish in the Federal > Register notice of each temporary listing under this subsection and make > available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through other > appropriate means the basis for the temporary listing. > (3) DETERMINATION- Within 180 days after temporarily including a nonnative > wildlife species in the unapproved species list under this section, the > Secretary shall make a final determination under subsection (b)(3) regarding the > species, publish in the Federal Register notice of the final determination, > and make available on a publicly available Federal Internet site or through > other appropriate means the basis for the final determination. > (4) LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)(4) > LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES- The procedures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii)<WBR>, > subsection (b)(2) of this section, and section 553 of title 5, Un SEC. > 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES. > (a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is > unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the <ST1><ST1>United > to-- > (1) import into or export from the <ST1><ST1>United any nonnative wildlife > species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under > section 4; > (2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative > wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under > section 4; > (3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7; > (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, > purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any > nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph > (1); > (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited > from being imported under paragraph (1); or > (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being > imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for > breeding purposes. > (b) Penalties and Enforcement- Any person who violates subsection (a) shall > be subject to the civil penalties and criminal penalties described in section > 4 of the Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (16 U.S.C. 3373). Sections 4(b), 4(e), > 5, and 6 of that Act shall apply to such a violation in the same manner as > they apply to a violation of that Act. > (c) Limitation on Application- > (1) IN GENERAL- The prohibitions in subsection (a) shall not apply to-- > (A) any action by Federal, State, tribal, or local law enforcement personnel > to enforce this section; and > (B) any action by Federal or State officials to prevent the introduction or > establishment of nonnative wildlife species. > (2) IMPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION BY FEDERAL AGENCIES- Nothing in this Act > shall restrict the import or transportation between any States of nonnative > wildlife species by a Federal agency for its own use, if the nonnative > wildlife species remains in the possession of a Federal agency. > (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect upon the publication of > notice under section 3(e)(3). > SEC. 7. PERMITS. > (a) In General- The Secretary may issue a permit authorizing importation > otherwise prohibited under section 6(a)(1), for scientific research, medical, > accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes > that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary, if > the Secretary finds that there has been a proper showing by the permittee of > responsibility for the specimen and continued protection of the public > interest and health with respect to the specimen. > (b) Terms and Conditions- The Secretary may include in a permit under > subsection (a) terms and conditions to minimize the risk of introduction or > establishment of the nonnative wildlife species in the <ST1><ST1>United . > SEC. 8. FEES. > (a) Fee for Proposal To Include Species in List- > (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall establish in the regulations under > section 3, and collect, a fee from any person that after publication of the final > preliminary list under section 4(b) submits to the Secretary-- > (A) a proposal under section 4(c) to include a nonnative wildlife species to > the list of approved species under section 4; or > (B) a proposal under section 5(b) to include a nonnative wildlife species to > the list of unapproved species under section 5. > (2) PURPOSE- The fee shall be to recover costs of assessing risk of > nonnative wildlife species under the regulations issued under section 3. > (b) Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund- > (1) ESTABLISHMENT- There is established in the Treasury a separate account, > which shall be known as the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Fund. > (2) CONTENTS- There shall be deposited into the account all amounts received > by the <ST1><ST1>United as fees under this section or as fines for > violations of this Act and its implementing regulations. > (3) USE- Amounts in the account shall be available to the Secretary, subject > to the availability of appropriations, for the purposes of implementing this > Act.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36759	From: Robert Mazur	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

Deb: Yeah, it is a difficult task. I think our postings crossed in the mail, so to speak. We have 4 cats and my wife has started our homework on bringing them into Germany and Germany has a no fish rule. I have someone that is willing to take the fish while I am gone. Since the tank is at work, one of my team has stated Golic is the Team Mascot and willing to take him. I plan on draining the tank and having the movers pack it up and see what we get in Germany. And of course, yes, there will be new pictures posted on my photo sharing site. :) Thanks Deb Rob On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...>wrote: > Gee Robert, I think this might be a difficult task, not just because of > Germany, but because you will want to bring them back home later. The U.S. > is extremely strict about bringing live animals into the U.S. You will have > to get a license to bring them in or risk smuggling them in when you return. > Keep in mind that if you fly back and ship them in luggage, the luggage > compartments on airplanes are not heated (at least not as I understand it) > and they do have pressure issues. If you take them carry-on, your luggage > will be screened and it will be pretty hard to convince the screeners that > your fish are something other than fish. "Uh-yeah, that's my fancy soap. I > store it in bags of water.... What 'no liquid' rule?" > > I think you might be better off finding a fish-sitter until you return or > re-homing your fish here and just starting over if you will not return for a > long time. You can always get a tank while you are in Germany. What fun it > will be to see what varieties are available in their LFSs! Please stay in > the group and let us know about your fish-keeping experiences in Germany. > We'll want pictures of your new tank for sure. : ) > > Best, > Deb P. > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Robert Mazur <rpmazur@... <rpmazur%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in April > > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that far. > > Thanks > > -- > > http://www.pbase. com/mazurgallery / > > http://themazurplac e.blogspot. com/ > > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ rpmazur/ > > http://s19.photobuc ket.com/albums/ b185/rpmazur/ > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things > > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, > you > > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > > James A. Lovell > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen.. James A. Lovell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36760	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Purigen

It might be worth looking into A.P.I.'s "Tap Water Conditioner" or Kordon's "AmQuel Plus," both of which I believe are devoid of any slime coat promoting ingredients. These should be equivilent to SeaChem's Prime, but you could contact them first to see what they say about their use with Purigen. Most others seem to have either aloe vera as part of their ingredients or a slime coat promoting agent. Then too, you may just be allergic to whatever is in any of these similar dechloramine products. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Purigen > > > I am allergic to Prime and so I am wondering if there is another alternative > > if I want to use Purigen? I do want/need to be able to stick my hands in the > > tank from time to time and I don't want to deal with gloves every time. > > > > Thanks, > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: > > > > With all this talk about Purigen, I'd like to mention that it's > > > > recommended to be 500% more efficient than carbon. There are some > > > > things to be considered with it. You may find information indicating > > > > Purigen can be ruined (rendered unrechargeable) by using slime-coat- > > > > inducing products as your chloramine remover, such as Stress Coat or > > > > NovAqua, and this info is valid if you don't take steps to properly > > > > recharge the filter medium. > > > > As per Seachem's (Purigen manufacturer) recommendation, after > > > > Purigens effectiveness is exhausted -- which will be seen as it > > > > turning from white to a dark brown -- Soak it in a 1:1 bleach/water > > > > solution for 24 hours in a non-metalic container in a well ventilated > > > > room away from children. Rinse well, then soak for 8 hours with a > > > > solution containing 2 Tbs of PRIME per cup of water. Rinse well, ans > > > > soak for 4 hours with a solution containing 1 Tbs of buffer per cup > > > > of water. pH Down should work fine to use as a buffer. > > > > This last step, to soak in a solution with buffer is recommended, as > > > > bleach has the tendency to increase the pH of Purigen's effects on > > > > aquarium water. The most important step, however, is to use PRIME > > > > after recharging the Purigen with bleach solution. Any such problems > > > > stemming from your water conditioner can be avoided though right from > > > > the beginning by using Prime as your water conditioner (chloramine > > > > remover). We Aquatic Life moderators) always recommend avoiding > > > > products such as Stress Coat and NovAqua anyway though, as their > > > > slime-inducing ingredients are not only unnecessary, but they are > > > > suspect. Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Menagerie_Manager" > > > > <menagerie_manager@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've got it. Don't get any more carbon. Use > > > > Purigen > > > > > instead. > > > > > Mechanical-- >Bio-->Chemical when possible. > > > > > > > > > > My AquaClear is no problem, but the Whisper that came with the > > > > new (to > > > > > me) tank uses Bio-Bag filter cartridges and puny packets of > > > > activated carbon > > > > > that you dump inside the bag. I doubt the carbon makes contact > > > > with most of > > > > > the water passing through. > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking if Purigen is rechargable, I could probably put > > > > it in a > > > > > media bag and sew off chambers to stack it so it doesn't just sit > > > > at the > > > > > bottom of the Bio-Bag as most of the water passes above it. > > > > > > > > > > There's no place in the Whisper for ceramic media, but I'm > > > > going to try > > > > > putting 1/2 inch bio-balls in the gap after the Bio-Bag/Purigen > > > > cartridge. > > > > > They look like they shouldn't interfere with water flow enough to > > > > back > > > > > things up in the filter. Or will the Bio_Bag keep enough bacteria > > > > in it > > > > > when it's rinsed out under tap water? > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Purigen will remove everything that carbon will remove and > > > > then some > > > > > and it's more efficient and effective than carbon since it has a > > > > lot more > > > > > surface area and porous areas on each little micro-ball so it's > > > > capable at > > > > > grabbing and holding more junk. > > > > > > > > > > Chemical filtration should be the last stage of filtration in > > > > filter systems > > > > > that allow you to stack the layers as you choose. Some filters > > > > like small > > > > > HOB filter systems do not have this luxury. Having chemical > > > > filtration as > > > > > the last stage will keep the filter media from getting clogged up > > > > with > > > > > larger things that will be caught by your mechanical filtration. > > > > In my > > > > > canister filters, I put it as the last stage but on my Bio-Wheel > > > > HOB's, I > > > > > put the Purigen packet between the cartridge and the Bio-Wheel > > > > since this > > > > > HOB is designed to have the Bio-Wheel as the last stage before the > > > > water > > > > > flows back into the tank. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it has to be removed when using meds. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:04 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > > > > > OK, so am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about > > > > putting it > > > > > before the bio-filter in the water flow of my HOB? > > > > > > > > > > Also, will it remove things like dyes and meds that require > > > > removing > > > > > the carbon filter? Or do I still need to have some activated > > > > carbon on > > > > > hand? > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@ ..> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:59 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purigen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It says it helps "...control. .." nitrogenous wastes by removing a > > > > lot of the > > > > > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) (or what it calls "nitrogenous > > > > organic > > > > > waste") so by removing the DOC's, that's less organic waste in the > > > > water to > > > > > eventually break down into ammonia, etc. I can promise you that it > > > > does not > > > > > remove all of the nitrates from a cycled tank as my tanks all have > > > > live > > > > > plants and the plants are doing fine. There is still plenty of > > > > organic > > > > > waste down in the gravel, etc., that is breaking down and providing > > > > plenty > > > > > of ammonia. The fishes gills and urine also provide ammonia and > > > > Purigen > > > > > does not remove ammonia, per se, only the DOC's that would further > > > > > contribute to the ammonia/nitrite/ nitrate levels in a tank if > > > > allowed to > > > > > stay in the water all of the time. > > > > > > > > > > See my Filter article on my blog for more info on the > > > > cleaning/regenerati on. > > > > > If you have harder water with a higher pH, you can skip the step > > > > that calls > > > > > for Buffer-stuff. I elaborate on the how's and why's in my > > > > article. I've > > > > > never used the buffer-stuff step in the several years that I've > > > > been using > > > > > Purigen. I think it's SeaChem's way of trying to sell another > > > > product to > > > > > people but that step might be necessary in soft water, low pH > > > > conditions. I > > > > > did my own test in excluding this step since SeaChem doesn't > > > > require that > > > > > step for saltwater tanks and since I know SW tanks are > > > > more "delicate" about > > > > > water quality, I figured that it's because of the harder water, > > > > higher pH > > > > > conditions of SW tanks that eliminated this added buffer-stuff step. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

The good news is that in modern history, NO bill has ever become law as first proposed so it will go through many, many changes... probably resulting in earmarks for many, many Congressmen and women... before it would ever actually become a law... if it ever even happens. A report I read a while back says less than 10% of U.S. Congressional Bills, whether from the House or Senate ever make it out of committee.... so basically what that says is that our elected officials fail in their efforts to over-regulate us over 90% of their time... thank God! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o I just did a quick read of the proposed bill at the URL I posted earlier. It does not look good. Any animal that is not found on a "white list" cannot be imported. There is also to be developed a "black list" of prohibited animals. There is a very short timeline given to develop the first list after passage of the bill and formulation of regulations Since many, if not all, the species we keep can survive in waters found somewhere in the US, it looks to be very bad at this juncture. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations > Introduced In House o > > From my understanding this bill could include wild and farm raised > many farm raised fish and animals. are imported from asia and europe. > I belived it was on this list that somebody had mentioned they had > seen zebra danios mentioned as being wild in certain parts of the U.S. > Also look at the water ways in Florida and many parts of the south of > all the introduced species. If PETA and the HSUS have their way many > fish and other animals that we know are not a threat could be considered invasive. > > Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36762	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Oh, well, I have flame tetras, x ray tetras, and black phantom tetras, and they look pretty alike other than color. The danios don't exceed an inch and a half long, particularly when you exclude the tail fins. Tehre are eight of them at the moment. Oh, and tehre's the little silver tetra who seems to think he's a danio. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Dora, There's no such thing as "ordinary danios and tetras". We've been through this a few times. There are hundreds of species of danios and tetras ... some stay pretty small like the Neon Tetra (1.5" to 2") and Zebra Danio (2" to 2.5") and others grow to 5" to 6"+... and possibly much larger species that I am not aware of. I just went to http://www.Fishbase.org and did a search on "danio" as part of the common name and 146 profiles came up. A similar search for "tetra" came up with a list of 1,028 profiles. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Well, I have ordinary danios and tetras, and was thinking about adding a betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > When I had a betta in with the danio's the danio's sometimes would pick > on him (gang up in groups) especially when I had a lot of danio's (7). > Glo-fish danio's shouldn't be much different than any other danio's as > far as how they act. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Do danios get along with bettas? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:44 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> r-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Glofish are not like "mini neon danios", they are the same as Zebra >> Danio's. >> Zebra Danios grow to around 2" to 2.5". They are schooling fish and very >> active fish and should be in tanks larger than 10G tanks... 20G+ are >> best. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html >> <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> >> >> There are other Danio's that get much larger... into the 5" to 6" >> range and >> maybe others that I do not know about. >> http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm <http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm> >> >> ADF's stay pretty small and wouldn't go after a fish that size but ACF's, >> which grow much larger than ADF's, would try to eat that sized fish. >> >> Glofish had the various day-glo coloration genes added to them several >> years >> ago and now Glofish breeds and sells them with the day-glo coloration as >> part of their actual genetics but other than the day-glo gene, they are >> genetically identical to normal Zebra Danios. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Debra Penna-Fredericks >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:42 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I >> wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was >> when I >> assumed they were Danio sized. >> >> Deb P. >> >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: >> >> Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will >> >> work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 >> >> and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the >> >> platy's/guppy' s. >> >> Amber >> >> gail wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are >> >> > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors >> >> > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much >> >> > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to >> >> > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but >> >> > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two >> >> > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D >> >> > >> >> > Gail Johnson >> >> > >> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net >> >> > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. >> > net>> >> >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> > com> >> >> > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM >> >> > >> >> > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks empty. >> > I >> >> > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he >> > misses, >> >> > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp >> >> > and a bunch of plants right? >> >> > >> >> > erika wilmington de usa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36763	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

It will happen unless every single on of us participates in figting it. I have been watching PeTA and their siamese twin the HSUS do this thing on a state by state basis for years. Now they went National. People you WILL lose your pets to these nut jobs! Small steps, small steps they go after dog breeders and cat breeders, they went after us bird breeders and now they come after all of YOU! You fish keepers and reptile and herp keepers are going to lose it all in baby steps unless you get active and stand up and call your elected officials and do something about it!~ We fund these "people" with every little contribution or by not stepping up and saying NO! We all think "Backyard breeders are bad" so we fall in line and vote for restricting them. MOST people that breed pets are RESPONSIBLE! It is the bad apple that ruins it for the rest. They go after cat breeders with the same result. Oh those dirty back yard cat breeders! They show us the nastiest of nasty photos of the worst of the worst and portray all who ever raised a litter of kittens as evil back yard breeders!   It is never a big deal when it is someone else or some other animal that we do not keep. I know dog breeders and cat breeders that have lost everything when these groups target them! They impound your animals, you get charged for their daily upkeep and quite often these animals get sick at shelters and you are shown to be a horrible person! Then at court the HSUS and PeTA dro nes show up and protest and tell people how horrible you are. Then the District Attorney or whoever is going along with this throws the book at you. You lose all your pets, even the ones you were not breeding. And you get charged for their upkeep. And the ones that get sick under their custody get destroyed(killed) and the adoptable ones are adopted out and the monies go back toward the very people that did this to you. They walk away "Heroes" and you are a bad bad "Breeder". I know people that are not allowed to own a single dog anymore because of scenarios like these. It happens, and it happens all over the country. I like my pets, love is the common word used and I suppose I do as well. But as a society we put a higher value on our pets than other human beings! When Genocide goes on in Darfur we wring our hands and then the news is over and we watch 24 or whatever else is on TV that night. They go on a dog killing spree in China ad we get outraged and sign petitions and try and boycott China. Lenny, in your home state PeTA and the HSUS were up their usual busines after Katrina hit. They pocketed MILLIONS of dollars from their heart string pulling commercials. They never told those that donated that th money goes into their general fund! Unless you specifically state it has to go to Katrina Pets! By the way, Peta and the HSUS do NOT EVEN HAVE A SINGLE PET SHELTER! The money they are given to help animals rolls right back into their campa igns to take animals away from us! Your states Attorney General had HSUS under investigation for this. I had first person email accounts of the "Shelters" HSUS setup adopting out pets without actually looking for the real owners! Semi Truck loads of dog and cat food, toys, blankets, vet supplies, NEVER given to the pets they were sent to! I knew this was going to happen with fish. There is evidence of Humans keeping and breeding pets for over five thousand years! Let's not let a hand full of people end that now. -Mike would ever actually become a law... if it ever even happens. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 9:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o The good news is that in modern history, NO bill has ever become law as first proposed so it will go through many, many changes... probably resulting in earmarks for many, many Congressmen and women... before it would ever actually become a law... if it ever even happens. A report I read a while back says less than 10% of U.S. Congressional Bills, whether from the House or Senate ever make it out of committee.... so basically what that says is that our elected officials fail in their efforts to over-regulate us over 90% of their time... thank God! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in a bove reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o I just did a quick read of the proposed bill at the URL I posted earlier. It does not look good. Any animal that is not found on a "white list" cannot be imported. There is also to be developed a "black list" of prohibited animals. There is a very short timeline given to develop the first list after passage of the bill and formulation of regulations Since many, if not all, the species we keep can survive in waters found somewhere in the US, it looks to be very bad at this juncture. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations > Introduced In House o > > From my understanding this bill could include wild and farm raised > many farm raised fish and animals. are imported from asia and europe. > I belived it was on this list that somebody had mentioned they had > seen zebra danios mentioned as being wild in certain parts of the U.S. > Also look at the water ways in Florida and many parts of the south of > all the introduced species. If PETA and the HSUS have their way many > fish and other animals that we know are not a threat could be considered invasive. > > Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36764	From: Lisa	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36765	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

Hi Lisa I'm in Canberra Australia and our temp has been quite high also (not as high as Perth or western Sydney or Melbourne thank goodness) however, tonight while I was doing my water checks I noticed the water was warmer than ususal. I checked the temp and it was quite high - I would say our temp we are experencing would affect our tanks. Come to think of it, my tank is right near one of the outlets for our Air con - yikes, I better change the direction of that vent. I recall one being in a pet store where they opened the lids on their tanks just so the fish wouldn't over heat. But it would be good to hear everyone's commenments though. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My > fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 > male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. > I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all > where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. > > Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have > an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I > fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and > replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up > the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. > For now. > (I need to replace the filter medium) > > But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. > So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? > > All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until > recently) > The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 > > I'm confused and upset over the loss. > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36766	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: question about my otocinclus

do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36767	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: type of fish

haven't had a chance to get back there i will try to make it Saturday since i will not get there before closing time from work. there were 2 fish i was looking at the other one must have been the stellia something or other LOL will have to keep pen and paper with me so i can write the names down i was looking at a 125 gallon tank at big al's NICE and it was only 220$ i can build a stand easily only thing is i don't think it comes with a hood and i really do want a hood will look into it more when i go back Saturday :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36768	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

43C = 109F... yes, that would kill many fish. The larger the tank, the longer it would take to raise the temperature but if I remember correctly, your tank is around 20-30G so it wouldn't take long at that room temp for the water temp to get over 90F (32C). Once it gets to those levels, a lot more aeration is needed to keep the O2 levels up in the water. If half of your filtration wasn't working, that would further cause problems as the filtration also helped create surface agitation which would have helped increase O2 levels and cooled the water a little through evaporation. It seems the Gourami would have had a chance to breathe surface air but if it was 109F, that might be too much for it. You might want to at least leave the A/C on a thermostat to kick on if the room temps get up to the 30C level to help prevent overheating or oxygen depletion in the future. I normally run my A/C temperature at 72F so my goldfish tank doesn't have similar problems although they did OK back in 2005, during the Katrina aftermath, they did OK for two weeks of no A/C and daytime temps in the 90'sF and nighttime temps in the 80'sF. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36769	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken his favorite hiding place. So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you definitely > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, make sure > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from a store > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before selling them > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with plants but > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a natural > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants and the > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish are more > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at night and > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > Hi Lenny > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one that i > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what it look > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i cleaned > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the tank, I > saw the leech float down. > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the tank at > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I seen any > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw last night > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > Thanks again for your advice. > > Jasmine > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our tanks. > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I > do not > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium > plants are > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > leaches that > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd see > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > indicated that > > yet. > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > x.html > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm - actually in > glancing at > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so > > this may > be what > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > and mine > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > you have, > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live > off of > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted > plant, > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > they do > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > have them > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly > have > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > as well > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that tank > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > Check out > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > part of > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > grow. If > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > could be > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > caught my > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is > a 'Aqua > > One AR-980'. > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > Bristlenose was > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > mark on > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > its back > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > Jasmine > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or > > on/in > > > the plants? > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and > > there > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > > introduced > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back > > to the > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and > > wouldn't > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > > However > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > > anyone > > know how > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > > > reputation > > but they > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > > > from a > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop > > light > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I > > have > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have > to go > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights if I > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that > > > > > are about 12 > > feet > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > > plants in > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > > plants > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that gravel > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > > goldfish > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > > years. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > > more > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > > tank-stand. > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > > the > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > > driftwood, > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank now, 4 > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a Crypt... > > > > > I > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > > roots > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will > > > > > be > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > > only > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- packages. > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational purposes, > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, get > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the > > > right > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > > > for > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36770	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus

Otos like most catfish are egg layers. I don't believe its a grav spot. However this might be worth looking into on why color may be changing. Has the temp in your tank changed? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:16:03 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36771	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus

no the temp hasn't changed my tank is at 74 and has been that temp since before i got them. will do my water tests when i get home tonight for ph, ammonia etc will post the results tonight after i get home from work Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36772	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o

Awwwww Mike... you're becoming so jaded living over there on the left-coast... but you know I completely agree with you! You need to fly southeast (at least once in a while) and join us over here in red-country... well except for Florida, which turned blue last year. Hopefully, the south shall rise again in two years and at least take back the House... if only we can keep this bill tabled until then. BTW... did you notice the D or R designation behind the nine co-sponsors of the bill? All D's!!! Here's the list. For those members in the below States, contact your U.S. Senators and Representatives and let them know your displeasure... especially the co-sponsors of the bill. Heck... the main sponsor is a "Delegate" from Guam??? I didn't know Guam had the right to introduce legislation that affects the rest of us. LOL Then you have a few Rep's from the Republik's of Kalifornia and Massachusetts. Then one from Michigan... he might want to re-think his position as fish shop jobs might be the only jobs left after the Big Three close down up there. ;-) Sponsor - Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU] Cosponsors [as of 2009-01-27] Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA] Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI] Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ] Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI] Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL] Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL] Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI] Rep. James McGovern [D-MA] Rep. George Miller [D-CA] Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o It will happen unless every single on of us participates in figting it. I have been watching PeTA and their siamese twin the HSUS do this thing on a state by state basis for years. Now they went National. People you WILL lose your pets to these nut jobs! Small steps, small steps they go after dog breeders and cat breeders, they went after us bird breeders and now they come after all of YOU! You fish keepers and reptile and herp keepers are going to lose it all in baby steps unless you get active and stand up and call your elected officials and do something about it!~ We fund these "people" with every little contribution or by not stepping up and saying NO! We all think "Backyard breeders are bad" so we fall in line and vote for restricting them. MOST people that breed pets are RESPONSIBLE! It is the bad apple that ruins it for the rest. They go after cat breeders with the same result. Oh those dirty back yard cat breeders! They show us the nastiest of nasty photos of the worst of the worst and portray all who ever raised a litter of kittens as evil back yard breeders!   It is never a big deal when it is someone else or some other animal that we do not keep. I know dog breeders and cat breeders that have lost everything when these groups target them! They impound your animals, you get charged for their daily upkeep and quite often these animals get sick at shelters and you are shown to be a horrible person! Then at court the HSUS and PeTA dro nes show up and protest and tell people how horrible you are. Then the District Attorney or whoever is going along with this throws the book at you. You lose all your pets, even the ones you were not breeding. And you get charged for their upkeep. And the ones that get sick under their custody get destroyed(killed) and the adoptable ones are adopted out and the monies go back toward the very people that did this to you. They walk away "Heroes" and you are a bad bad "Breeder". I know people that are not allowed to own a single dog anymore because of scenarios like these. It happens, and it happens all over the country. I like my pets, love is the common word used and I suppose I do as well. But as a society we put a higher value on our pets than other human beings! When Genocide goes on in Darfur we wring our hands and then the news is over and we watch 24 or whatever else is on TV that night. They go on a dog killing spree in China ad we get outraged and sign petitions and try and boycott China. Lenny, in your home state PeTA and the HSUS were up their usual busines after Katrina hit. They pocketed MILLIONS of dollars from their heart string pulling commercials. They never told those that donated that th money goes into their general fund! Unless you specifically state it has to go to Katrina Pets! By the way, Peta and the HSUS do NOT EVEN HAVE A SINGLE PET SHELTER! The money they are given to help animals rolls right back into their campa igns to take animals away from us! Your states Attorney General had HSUS under investigation for this. I had first person email accounts of the "Shelters" HSUS setup adopting out pets without actually looking for the real owners! Semi Truck loads of dog and cat food, toys, blankets, vet supplies, NEVER given to the pets they were sent to! I knew this was going to happen with fish. There is evidence of Humans keeping and breeding pets for over five thousand years! Let's not let a hand full of people end that now. -Mike would ever actually become a law... if it ever even happens. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 9:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o The good news is that in modern history, NO bill has ever become law as first proposed so it will go through many, many changes... probably resulting in earmarks for many, many Congressmen and women... before it would ever actually become a law... if it ever even happens. A report I read a while back says less than 10% of U.S. Congressional Bills, whether from the House or Senate ever make it out of committee.... so basically what that says is that our elected officials fail in their efforts to over-regulate us over 90% of their time... thank God! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in a bove reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations Introduced In House o I just did a quick read of the proposed bill at the URL I posted earlier. It does not look good. Any animal that is not found on a "white list" cannot be imported. There is also to be developed a "black list" of prohibited animals. There is a very short timeline given to develop the first list after passage of the bill and formulation of regulations Since many, if not all, the species we keep can survive in waters found somewhere in the US, it looks to be very bad at this juncture. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of joesbirds@... > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: Proposal To Limit Animal Importations > Introduced In House o > > From my understanding this bill could include wild and farm raised > many farm raised fish and animals. are imported from asia and europe. > I belived it was on this list that somebody had mentioned they had > seen zebra danios mentioned as being wild in certain parts of the U.S. > Also look at the water ways in Florida and many parts of the south of > all the introduced species. If PETA and the HSUS have their way many > fish and other animals that we know are not a threat could be > considered invasive. > > Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36773	From: jett07002	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange question

I am sure you are right, Lenny. I am just a little over cautious. Too many stories about who got thrown in jail or even executed cause they didn't like whatever stupid thing that person may have done. It all has to do with what kind of day that person is having I guess. LOL Can't compare USA with those. We may have our faults, but I think we come out smelling like a rose compared to what some of these other places are doing. Just my opinion, people. Not looking to start a big thing about this. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Joe.. you must have missed my wink at the end of that comment. ;-) > > But I can promise you that lots of people probably ship fish and other > critters into restrictive countries and they don't end up in prison over it. > Heck... we've had 12+ million people sneak into our country and nothing > happens to them for the most part. I can't imagine the Guv'ment seriously > punishing someone who brings in a few of their pet fish. The worst thing > would be that Guv'ment choosing to leave the fish in a quarantine area only > to have the fish die... now how antithetical is that? In trying to protect > animal's rights.. they kill the animals. Typical Guv'ment! LOL > > Kind of like PeTa and HSUS spend millions of dollars each year claiming to > save animals and then inhumanely kill 99% of the animals they "save". If I > was an animal, I'd run like Hell if I saw a Peta or HSUS member coming to > save me. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of jett07002 > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange question > > Good grief. Do not do as Lenny is suggesting!! If you are caught, > they may accuse you of who knows what. Then you would not be coming > home for who knows how long, but not of your own volition. LOL. > > Talk to someone who's up on these things. Do not mess yourself up over a > few fish. > > joe t > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > I would think you would have to ship them to yourself using FedEx or > > UPS overnight or two-day service... just as if you were having fish > shipped to > > you from overseas or cross-country. Of course, I hear Germany has > > some strict import rules for live fish and animals so you may have > > problems getting them through customs so don't mark the box "live > > fish" or > anything > > like that. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Robert Mazur > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Betta_Crazy@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange question > > > > Has anyone taken fish overseas?? I'm being stationed to Germany in > April > > and was wondering if/how you would go about transporting a fish that > far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > http://www.pbase.com/mazurgallery/ > > http://themazurplace.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmazur/ > > http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/rpmazur/ > > > > There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch > things > > happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be > successful, you > > need to be a person who makes things happen.. > > James A. Lovell > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36774	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: My first 55g tank - now about Kitty Litter

In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:44:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, pennafd@... writes: When I say it "breaks down" I am thinking about turning into mush clay and anything mixed in comes out. It does not stay in the nice little rock sized pieces. What's more, it will dirty the water in the process, at least initially. And I can tell you from experience that most kitty litter is not plain. A lot of the brands claim to simply be clay, but I have a cat who is allergic to the anti-smell stuff they put into kitty litter and a lot of that 100% clay stuff still makes him break out. It is interesting that it will say, 100% clay and then brag about it's anti-smell properties, which generally indicates some sort of additive. To get plain clay, you usually have to purchase organic litter, which costs a great deal more. Deb P. you can also go to an automobile specialty store (autozone, discount auto parts) and get the "oil spill pick up". It's nothing but plain clay, no added nothing. Enid "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36775	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more articles and such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for all. Thanks again! --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the chart translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as your tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's spinning a little, it will still work. The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the algae eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical products that the pet stores try to sell folks. All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I use either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. . both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No stress-this or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and how these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical Filtration (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it is and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). I like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same cartridge that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and added more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or small tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... FILTRATION: HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing its job and working to get the junk out of the water. Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take organics out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really aren't a problem.) If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water in solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean the organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every third day....... Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? Why not the fishes' also. :-) Bill Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read your article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have found that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same with my (now dead) bio wheel   cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom.   So, for you I have Two questions:   1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel?   2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media?     the cartridge is about 6+wks old. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since I've purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on the package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell you lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter cartridge, it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or might even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge on a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or too long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel spins like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down due to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just float the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope you've read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 for either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this price range but not with the free shipping option. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. Thanks & best Regards, Gail Johnson --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every week or two instead of cleaning it. What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G tank? When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that tank. Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them.   Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures.   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36776	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more articles and > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for all. > > Thanks again! > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the chart > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as your > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's spinning > > a little, it will still work. > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the algae > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I use > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. . > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No stress-this > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and how > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical Filtration > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it is > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). I > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same cartridge > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and added > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or small > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > FILTRATION: > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing its > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take organics > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really > > aren't a problem.) > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water in > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean the > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every third > > day....... > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > Why not the fishes' also. > > :-) > > Bill > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read your > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have found > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same with > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > 6+wks old. > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since I've > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on the > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell you > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter cartridge, > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or might > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge on > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or too > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel spins > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down due > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just float > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope you've > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 for > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this price > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do this > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail Johnson > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning or > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your 55G > > tank? > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the actual > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" blog > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make sure > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed together, > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white discs > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not spin > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use it > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that > > tank. > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough tank > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to suck > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on one > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps keep > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just > > getting use to them. > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system > > instead. > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > Thanks, > > -gail > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other > > tests you may have? > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > Sad, huh? > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle > > cures. > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and ended up with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them off, won't do that again! I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. When I go in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that works wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the sick fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing whatever was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish though, and I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). I now watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy sick ones at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I really wanted rams, LOL bad me). Amber Jasmine wrote: > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken > his favorite hiding place. > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. > The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > definitely > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > make sure > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from > a store > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > selling them > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > plants but > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a > natural > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants and the > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish are more > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > night and > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one > that i > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what it look > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i > cleaned > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the > tank, I > > saw the leech float down. > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the tank at > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I seen any > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw last night > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > Jasmine > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our > tanks. > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I > > do not > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium > > plants are > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > leaches that > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd > see > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > > indicated that > > > yet. > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > x.html > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> - actually in > > glancing at > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so > > > this may > > be what > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > > and mine > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > > you have, > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live > > off of > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted > > plant, > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > > they do > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > > have them > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly > > have > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > > as well > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that > tank > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > > Check out > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > > part of > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > > grow. If > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > > could be > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > > caught my > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is > > a 'Aqua > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > Bristlenose was > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > > mark on > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > > its back > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or > > > on/in > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and > > > there > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > > > introduced > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back > > > to the > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and > > > wouldn't > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > > > However > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > > > anyone > > > know how > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > > > > reputation > > > but they > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > > > > from a > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop > > > light > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I > > > have > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have > > to go > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights > if I > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that > > > > > > are about 12 > > > feet > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > > > plants in > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > > > plants > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that > gravel > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > > > goldfish > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > > > years. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > > > more > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > > > the > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank > now, 4 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > Crypt... > > > > > > I > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > > > roots > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will > > > > > > be > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > > > only > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > packages. > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > purposes, > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, > get > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > the > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > > > > for > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36778	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm coming to realize just how involved people get with their fishies. I've been thinking along this line and wondering how to help the goldfish when summer arrives here, since they are cold water fish. Unless a tank is humongous, I can't imagine it not being affected by the heat of the day. I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At least this year we will have central air conditioning. We finally had to replace our massive 1950's furnace and we decided central air can't cost that much more than running two window ac's and a fan in every room of the house plus one for each rat cage, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36779	From: N Taweel	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Strange Zebra Danio

Hi everyone, I have 3 blue Zebra Danios, but one of them looks different than any other ZD s that I have seen before, instead of his blue strips he has blue dots lined to form the strips. And his tail doesn't have any dots or lines. Is that common? Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36780	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus

What does a gravid spot look like is it red? -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 7:16 am Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36781	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

Good idea Deb. I use small plastic water bottles or soda bottles. I also use larger bottles like 2 liter bottles. During the hotter months I rotate them through the freezer constantly as needed. Different sized bottles for different sized tanks. I would really toss a two liter in a ten gallon tank ;) -Mike I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 9:39 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm coming to realize just how involved people get with their fishies. I've been thinking along this line and wondering how to help the goldfish when summer arrives here, since they are cold water fish. Unless a tank is humongous, I can't imagine it not being affected by the heat of the day. I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At least this year we will have central air conditioning. We finally had to replace our massive 1950's furnace and we decided central air can't cost that much more tha n running two window ac's and a fan in every room of the house plus one for each rat cage, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHI NG below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36782	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

Argh, make that would Not toss a two liter in a ten gallon tank. Different sized bottles for different sized tanks. I would really toss a two liter in a ten gallon tank ;) -----Original Message----- From: Deenerz@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... Good idea Deb. I use small plastic water bottles or soda bottles. I also use larger bottles like 2 liter bottles. During the hotter months I rotate them through the freezer constantly as needed. Different sized bottles for different sized tanks. I would really toss a two liter in a ten gallon tank ;) -Mike I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 9:39 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm coming to realize just how involved people get with their fishies. I've been thinking along this line and wondering how to help the goldfish when summer arrives here, since they are cold water fish. Unless a tank is humongous, I can't imagine it not being affected by the heat of the day. I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At least this year we will have central air conditioning. We finally had to replace our massive 1950's furnace and we decided central air can't cost that much more tha n running two window ac's and a fan in every room of the house plus one for each rat cage, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had20only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHI NG below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36783	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

It could be a form of the leopard danios. I have seen them blue before. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:34:23 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange Zebra Danio Hi everyone, I have 3 blue Zebra Danios, but one of them looks different than any other ZD s that I have seen before, instead of his blue strips he has blue dots lined to form the strips. And his tail doesn't have any dots or lines. Is that common? Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36784	From: greychildren	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and my serpa tetras now.... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and ended up > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them off, > won't do that again! > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. When I go > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that works > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the sick > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing whatever > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish though, and > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). I now > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy sick ones > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > Amber > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > Jasmine > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > definitely > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > make sure > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from > > a store > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > selling them > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > plants but > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a > > natural > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants and the > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish are more > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > night and > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one > > that i > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what it look > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i > > cleaned > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the > > tank, I > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the tank at > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I seen any > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw last night > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our > > tanks. > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while trying > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone else but I > > > do not > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've ever > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our aquarium > > > plants are > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > leaches that > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing though and > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd > > see > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > > > indicated that > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> - actually in > > > glancing at > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to black so > > > > this may > > > be what > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > > > and mine > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > > > you have, > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they live > > > off of > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a rooted > > > plant, > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > > > they do > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > > > have them > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I constantly > > > have > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > > > as well > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that > > tank > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other tanks. > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > > > Check out > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see them on > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you would > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > > > part of > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > > > grow. If > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > > > could be > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > > > caught my > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My tank is > > > a 'Aqua > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > Bristlenose was > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > > > mark on > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > > > its back > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the substrate or > > > > on/in > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be quarantined and > > > > there > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have links to > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > > > > introduced > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took it back > > > > to the > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was harmless and > > > > wouldn't > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > > > > However > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the tank. A > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > > > > anyone > > > > know how > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very good > > > > > reputation > > > > but they > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often the light > > > > > from a > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a cheap shop > > > > light > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for you. I > > > > have > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have > > > to go > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, Lenny? I am > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS told me I > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights > > if I > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium room, > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other than that > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > feet > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several articles > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis and other > > > > > plants > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. Although the > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly tank > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use clay pots > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that > > gravel > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks out of > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others over the > > > > years. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > > > > more > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll down to > > > > the > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top of my > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank > > now, 4 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > Crypt... > > > > > > > I > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a chance to > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > > > > roots > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the nibbling will > > > > > > > be > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > > > > only > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to death. > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > > packages. > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > purposes, > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, > > get > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can also check > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've fixed their > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the light on > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, med and > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish loves > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36785	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

The dot thing is a leopard danio; it's a variation. I think they have eight million variations. The ordinary zebra striped small ones in small fins come in vivid silver and blue to faded pink stripes around here. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange Zebra Danio Hi everyone, I have 3 blue Zebra Danios, but one of them looks different than any other ZD s that I have seen before, instead of his blue strips he has blue dots lined to form the strips. And his tail doesn't have any dots or lines. Is that common? Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36786	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are you dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are you fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my hillstream loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with tropical fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. Amber greychildren wrote: > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and > my serpa tetras now.... > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and ended up > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them > off, > > won't do that again! > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. When I go > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > works > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the > sick > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing whatever > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish though, and > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). I now > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy sick ones > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > Amber > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > definitely > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > > make sure > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from > > > a store > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > selling them > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > > plants but > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a > > > natural > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > and the > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish > are more > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > > night and > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one > > > that i > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what > it look > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i > > > cleaned > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the > > > tank, I > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the > tank at > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I > seen any > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > last night > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our > > > tanks. > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while > trying > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > else but I > > > > do not > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've > ever > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > aquarium > > > > plants are > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > leaches that > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > though and > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd > > > see > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > > > > indicated that > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > glancing at > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > black so > > > > > this may > > > > be what > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > > > > and mine > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > > > > you have, > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they > live > > > > off of > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > rooted > > > > plant, > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > > > > they do > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > > > > have them > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > constantly > > > > have > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > > > > as well > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that > > > tank > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > > > > Check out > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > them on > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you > would > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > > > > part of > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > > > > grow. If > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > > > > could be > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > > > > caught my > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > tank is > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > > > > mark on > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > > > > its back > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > substrate or > > > > > on/in > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > quarantined and > > > > > there > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > links to > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > > > > > introduced > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took > it back > > > > > to the > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > harmless and > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > > > > > However > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the > tank. A > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > > > > > anyone > > > > > know how > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very > good > > > > > > reputation > > > > > but they > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often > the light > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a > cheap shop > > > > > light > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for > you. I > > > > > have > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have > > > > to go > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS > told me I > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights > > > if I > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium > room, > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other > than that > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several > articles > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis > and other > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > Although the > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly > tank > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use > clay pots > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that > > > gravel > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks > out of > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others > over the > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll > down to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top > of my > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a > chance to > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > nibbling will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to > death. > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > > > packages. > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, > > > get > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can > also check > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've > fixed their > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the > light on > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, > med and > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish > loves > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36787	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make movement rather effortless. They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep an eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to slowly add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine will hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others have more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@...<clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more articles > and > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for all. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the > chart > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as > your > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > spinning > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the > algae > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I > use > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. > . > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > stress-this > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and > how > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > Filtration > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it > is > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). > I > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > cartridge > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > added > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > small > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing > its > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > organics > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water > in > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean > the > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every > third > > > > day....... > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > :-) > > > > Bill > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > > On > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read > your > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have > found > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same > with > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since > I've > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on > the > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell > you > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > cartridge, > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or > might > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge > on > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or > too > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > spins > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down > due > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > float > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > you've > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 > for > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > price > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do > this > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning > or > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your > 55G > > > > tank? > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the > actual > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" > blog > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make > sure > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > together, > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white > discs > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not > spin > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use > it > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that > > > > tank. > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough > tank > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to > suck > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on > one > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps > keep > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water > change > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that > the > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > generally > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > water > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > question; > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of > my > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system > > > > instead. > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > -gail > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is > the > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other > > > > tests you may have? > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your > tap... > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you > been > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > baseline > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" > from > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would > make > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am > just > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > dealing > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > miracle > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36788	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

Frozen bottles work and once you get a system going with the right sized bottles, will help cool the water. Increasing surface agitation also helps out a LOT by also allowing for more gas exchange to increase the O2 levels in the warmer water and also allows for faster evaporation to release heat from the water. This means you might have to top-off a little in between PWC's. You can take a 1" dowel (or Marks-a-lot tube or other similar item) and raise the HOB an inch above the tank frame so the waterfall creates more splash (free and doesn't use any electricity). If you have a powerhead or canister where the return is underwater, then aim it up a little so it causes more surface agitation... also free. You can add an air stone and place the pump closer to the floor so it's sucking in cooler air (hot air rises) so this cooler air will help cool the water and the bubbles will also help circulate water and add surface agitation as they pop. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm coming to realize just how involved people get with their fishies. I've been thinking along this line and wondering how to help the goldfish when summer arrives here, since they are cold water fish. Unless a tank is humongous, I can't imagine it not being affected by the heat of the day. I can't afford a fancy water cooler for the tank, but I'm thinking that if I get some of those re-freezable gel cube sheets I could cut it into sections and float one in the tank whenever the temps get really high. At least this year we will have central air conditioning. We finally had to replace our massive 1950's furnace and we decided central air can't cost that much more than running two window ac's and a fan in every room of the house plus one for each rat cage, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] I think our heat wave killed some of my fish... While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. For now. (I need to replace the filter medium) But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until recently) The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 I'm confused and upset over the loss. Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36789	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus

no it is a greyish/blackish colored spot near the lower abdomen Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: angelandchase49@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus What does a gravid spot look like is it red? -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 7:16 am Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36790	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Huh? I wonder what kind of water clarifier is this?! Of course, I'd never buy Walmart brand products for my fish, and I've never had green algae in the tank. Also it's possible that you've got a bacterial bloom and a water clarifier won't do much for it. The two kinds that I know of work by clumping small particles together. One is the ingredient in your antiperspirant, and the other is a plastic stringy substance that causes things to clump to it. But it won't work too well on bacteria. Sounds like water clarifier just won't fix your water quality issue. I use the plasticky kind of clarifier - Kent - as it seems to work a little better than the aluminum hydrate sort. But I've never used it without also a couple of good cleanings and water changes. The clumper is just to help the process. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures. thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36791	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Gail, the algae may have eaten your nitrates, adn your phosphates as well. I once had a huge diatom bloom drop my nitrate AND phosphate levels to 0. Then the diatoms did a big die-off. I don't think my nitrate and phosphate levels were 0 to begin with, LOL. I agree with Lenny. You can't get an algae bloom without feeding it. Adn a clumper wno't remove the chemicals from the water either. Your tank will need several good gravel cleanings and water changes. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water change anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that the water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is generally 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap water in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just getting use to them. Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another question; I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of my filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system instead. any suggestions are SO appreciated :) Thanks, -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is the best thing you can do for your fish. Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other tests you may have? Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your tap... or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you been doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water baseline and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" from Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would make a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And occasionally you can see my fish. Sad, huh? I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am just doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and dealing with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or miracle cures. thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36792	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

The frog didn't eat the danios? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish Content-Type: text/plain; charset=SO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. And the frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. -gail --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon danios" and so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked great in your pictures. Deb P. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to catch them. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > zebra danio sized. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > Deb P. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a group of 6 > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. Glo-fish are > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon colors > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish - but > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of these two > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > empty. I > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > misses, > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some shrimp > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36793	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus

One of my fish developed that, and it was that the stomach had ruptured and the contents had formed an abscess, which eventually ate a hole through the abdomen - and at that point, I euthanized the fish. I upgraded their diet and I don't THINK that's happened again - though I have had a couple of tetras die and found them partially decomposed. No idea what killed them. We figured out that probably the fish developed gas, or constipation. some of the standard but less expensive fish diets can do that, especially if you feed too much at once, which is very easy to do. I was shocked to discover that I'd overfed my housemate's betta by feeding it three near-microscopic dried tube worms! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus no it is a greyish/blackish colored spot near the lower abdomen Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: angelandchase49@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus What does a gravid spot look like is it red? -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 7:16 am Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36794	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Questions about Otocinclus

One thing noone seems to have thought of - is the fish's stomach bloated or swollen? Because my fish's was as a result of that abscess. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Questions about Otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36795	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

African Dwarf frogs are really small, mine is only an inch in size and that's if he stretches his legs out, LOL. They don't get much bigger than an inch I think, so their mouth is danio sized but they just aren't that speedy (in my tank at least), takes him several seconds just to work his way from the bottom to the top of the 10 gallon tank ;) Was even longer when I had him in the 55 gallon tank, but he worked harder too ;) He never once tried to eat any of my fish, and I had him in my community tank with glo-fish danio's, angel fish, a female betta, and a school of tetras, and he ignored all the (living) fish. Now once they are dead they are fair game ;) LOL. I once saw him munching on a dead tetra months ago (this was before I figured out how I was killing my fish so easily, now I know better). I think faster fish are just too busy for african dwarf frogs to try to eat, now perhaps a really small fish that also moves slow (yeah... how many of those do you see, LOL). Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > The frog didn't eat the danios? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gail" <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=SO-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. And the > frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. > That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. > > -gail > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM > > Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had > seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon > danios" and > so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked > great > in your pictures. > > Deb P. > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to > > catch them. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > > > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > > > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > > > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > > > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > > > zebra danio sized. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I > > > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was > > > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > > > > > > > > Deb P. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish will > > > > > > > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a > group of 6 > > > > > > > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > > > > > > > > platy's/guppy' s. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. > Glo-fish are > > > > > > > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon > colors > > > > > > > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much > > > > > > > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny to > > > > > > > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish > - but > > > > > > > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of > these two > > > > > > > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > > > > > > > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > > > > 40verizon. net>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > > > empty. I > > > > > > > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > > > misses, > > > > > > > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some > shrimp > > > > > > > > > and a bunch of plants right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > erika wilmington de usa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36796	From: Darlene	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus

the fish doesn't seem to be swollen or bloated, eats well is active .......... Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus One of my fish developed that, and it was that the stomach had ruptured and the contents had formed an abscess, which eventually ate a hole through the abdomen - and at that point, I euthanized the fish. I upgraded their diet and I don't THINK that's happened again - though I have had a couple of tetras die and found them partially decomposed. No idea what killed them. We figured out that probably the fish developed gas, or constipation. some of the standard but less expensive fish diets can do that, especially if you feed too much at once, which is very easy to do. I was shocked to discover that I'd overfed my housemate's betta by feeding it three near-microscopic dried tube worms! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus no it is a greyish/blackish colored spot near the lower abdomen Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: angelandchase49@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus What does a gravid spot look like is it red? -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 7:16 am Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36797	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: question about my otocinclus

So di dmine - it was remarkable. How a fish that sick could act perfectly well. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus the fish doesn't seem to be swollen or bloated, eats well is active .......... Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus One of my fish developed that, and it was that the stomach had ruptured and the contents had formed an abscess, which eventually ate a hole through the abdomen - and at that point, I euthanized the fish. I upgraded their diet and I don't THINK that's happened again - though I have had a couple of tetras die and found them partially decomposed. No idea what killed them. We figured out that probably the fish developed gas, or constipation. some of the standard but less expensive fish diets can do that, especially if you feed too much at once, which is very easy to do. I was shocked to discover that I'd overfed my housemate's betta by feeding it three near-microscopic dried tube worms! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus no it is a greyish/blackish colored spot near the lower abdomen Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: angelandchase49@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus What does a gravid spot look like is it red? -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 7:16 am Subject: [AquaticLife] question about my otocinclus do the female Otocinclus get a gravid spot like guppies when they are pregnant? if yes, how long before they give birth? are they live bearers or do they lay eggs ? what are the feeding requirements for the babies if she is pregnant and some of the fry make it? my Otocinclus has, in the last 10 days or so, gotten a dark spot in her(?) belly which makes me think she is female and pregnant :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36798	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

Did he need a platform on the surface to rest on or something? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > African Dwarf frogs are really small, mine is only an inch in size and > that's if he stretches his legs out, LOL. They don't get much bigger > than an inch I think, so their mouth is danio sized but they just aren't > that speedy (in my tank at least), takes him several seconds just to > work his way from the bottom to the top of the 10 gallon tank ;) Was > even longer when I had him in the 55 gallon tank, but he worked harder > too ;) > He never once tried to eat any of my fish, and I had him in my community > tank with glo-fish danio's, angel fish, a female betta, and a school of > tetras, and he ignored all the (living) fish. Now once they are dead > they are fair game ;) LOL. I once saw him munching on a dead tetra > months ago (this was before I figured out how I was killing my fish so > easily, now I know better). I think faster fish are just too busy for > african dwarf frogs to try to eat, now perhaps a really small fish that > also moves slow (yeah... how many of those do you see, LOL). > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> The frog didn't eat the danios? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gail" <clandestine662002@... >> <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=SO-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. And the >> frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. >> That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. >> >> -gail >> >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... >> <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> wrote: >> >> From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... >> <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM >> >> Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what I had >> seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon >> danios" and >> so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked >> great >> in your pictures. >> >> Deb P. >> >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: >> >> oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to >> >> catch them. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> > >> >> > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just >> >> > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have >> >> > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the >> >> > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. >> >> > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular >> >> > zebra danio sized. >> >> > >> >> > Amber >> >> > >> >> > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum size? I >> >> > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but that was >> >> > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. >> >> > > >> >> > > Deb P. >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> >> >> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish >> > > will >> >> > > >> >> > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a >> group of 6 >> >> > > >> >> > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the >> >> > > >> >> > > platy's/guppy' s. >> >> > > >> >> > > Amber >> >> > > >> >> > > gail wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. >> Glo-fish are >> >> > > >> >> > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon >> colors >> >> > > >> >> > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they swim much >> >> > > >> >> > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really funny >> > > > to >> >> > > >> >> > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish >> - but >> >> > > >> >> > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of >> these two >> >> > > >> >> > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Gail Johnson >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net >> >> > > >> >> > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% >> >> > > 40verizon. net>> >> >> > > >> >> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta >> >> > > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife >> >> > > %40yahoogroups. com> >> >> > > >> >> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks >> >> > empty. I >> >> > > >> >> > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he >> >> > misses, >> >> > > >> >> > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some >> shrimp >> >> > > >> >> > > > and a bunch of plants right? >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > erika wilmington de usa >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36799	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: FWD. Speaking of the HSUS

A SAOVA message to sportsmen, pet owners and farmers concerned about protecting their traditions, avocations and livelihoods from anti-hunting, anti-breeding, animal guardianship advocates. Forwarding and cross posting, with attribution, encouraged. When was HSUS elected to represent Illinois District 11? Representative John Fritchey (D, 11) recently introduced House Bill 198, Licensing - Dog Breeder (aka Chloe’s Bill), an overzealous, animal rightist anti-breeder piece of legislation. Every breeder in the state who owns 3 or more intact female dogs would be classified as a commercial entity, subjected to licensing, impossible kennel regulations, invasive inspections inside their homes, and excessive record keeping and reporting. Completing the assault on dog breeders is the proposed bill’s requirement for fingerprinting and criminal background checks. A constituent emailed the following to Rep. Fritchey: “Under your proposed legislation I would be subject to a criminal background check and fingerprinting, an untrained investigator would have access to my home and could at any time inspect my "facilities" and demand that I build a kennel that meets their idea of what is appropriate as well as exceeding USDA standards.” She continues, “I certainly think that you need to go back and look at what you are proposing recognizing that there are honest, decent people who you will hurt if this is passed.” Unbelievably, her email was answered by Jordan Matyas, the HSUS Illinois State Director! When did HSUS take charge of answering correspondence for legislators? Was HSUS elected to represent Illinois constituents in the 11th District? Has Matyas been hired as a staff member or consultant? In his reply Matyas does not even give direct answers, rather repeats the standard HSUS rhetoric about the need to regulate bad breeders then placates the writer with a pretended interest in hearing her concerns. The audacity of Rep. Fritchey deferring correspondence to HSUS is nothing short of breath-taking. The gauntlet has been thrown down and dog breeding in the state of Illinois is being criminalized. All breeders, hobbyists and sportsmen need to begin a concerted effort to oppose this legislation. HB 198 has been referred to the Rules Committee. Talking points and contact information to oppose HB 198 are now posted on the SAOVA website _http://www.saova.org/Illinois.html_ (http://www.saova.org/Illinois.html) We will provide further updates as information becomes available. SAOVA commends Rep. Michael P. McAuliffe (R, 20) and Rep. JoAnn D. Osmond (R, 61) for removing themselves as cosponsors. Please share this message widely. Susan Wolf Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance - _http://saova.org_ (http://saova.org/) Issue lobbying and working to identify and elect supportive legislators The message above was posted to California and Hawaii residents by the Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance (SAOVA) on one of ten regional, read only elists. SAOVA is a nonpartisan volunteer group working to protect U.S. citizens from the legislative and political threats of radical animal rightists. It is the only national organization fighting this struggle for both sportsmen and animal owners, natural allies, in these arenas. Visit our website at http://saova.org to review this program's goals and methodology. To unsubscribe from this list, exercise that option at http://mailman.montana.com/mailman/listinfo/saova_california Anyone having problems unsubscribing to a mailman list should contact cubhill@... indicating which regional list's messages they no longer wish to receive. **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36800	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps me put back the extra food, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make movement rather effortless. They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep an eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to slowly add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine will hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others have more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron%40gmail.com> com> wrote: > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com<clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more articles > and > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for all. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the > chart > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as > your > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > spinning > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the > algae > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I > use > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. > . > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > stress-this > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and > how > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > Filtration > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it > is > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). > I > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > cartridge > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > added > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > small > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing > its > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > organics > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water > in > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean > the > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every > third > > > > day....... > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > :-) > > > > Bill > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /> blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > > On > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read > your > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have > found > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same > with > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since > I've > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on > the > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell > you > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > cartridge, > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or > might > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge > on > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or > too > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > spins > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down > due > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > float > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > you've > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 > for > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > price > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do > this > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning > or > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your > 55G > > > > tank? > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the > actual > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" > blog > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make > sure > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > together, > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white > discs > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not > spin > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use > it > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that > > > > tank. > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough > tank > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to > suck > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on > one > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps > keep > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water > change > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that > the > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > generally > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > water > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > question; > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of > my > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system > > > > instead. > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > -gail > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is > the > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other > > > > tests you may have? > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your > tap... > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you > been > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > baseline > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" > from > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would > make > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am > just > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > dealing > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > miracle > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36801	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

Dora, The leopard danio is a separate species from the zebra. _Danio frankei, though I believe someone has now lumped it back into the _rerio_ classification. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dora Smith > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Strange Zebra Danio > > The dot thing is a leopard danio; it's a variation. > > I think they have eight million variations. The ordinary zebra striped > small ones in small fins come in vivid silver and blue to faded pink stripes > around here. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:34 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange Zebra Danio > > > Hi everyone, > I have 3 blue Zebra Danios, but one of them looks different than any other > ZD s that I have seen before, instead of his blue strips he has blue dots > lined to form the strips. And his tail doesn't have any dots or lines. Is > that common? > > Noura >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36802	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: friends for my betta/Glo-fish

No they are fully aquatic frogs, they don't need land. But it took him longer to travel from the bottom of the tank to the top of the 55, so he would often rest on plants half way up so he didn't have to swim so far. He seems happier in the 10 gallon tank. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Did he need a platform on the surface to rest on or something? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > > > African Dwarf frogs are really small, mine is only an inch in size and > > that's if he stretches his legs out, LOL. They don't get much bigger > > than an inch I think, so their mouth is danio sized but they just aren't > > that speedy (in my tank at least), takes him several seconds just to > > work his way from the bottom to the top of the 10 gallon tank ;) Was > > even longer when I had him in the 55 gallon tank, but he worked harder > > too ;) > > He never once tried to eat any of my fish, and I had him in my community > > tank with glo-fish danio's, angel fish, a female betta, and a school of > > tetras, and he ignored all the (living) fish. Now once they are dead > > they are fair game ;) LOL. I once saw him munching on a dead tetra > > months ago (this was before I figured out how I was killing my fish so > > easily, now I know better). I think faster fish are just too busy for > > african dwarf frogs to try to eat, now perhaps a really small fish that > > also moves slow (yeah... how many of those do you see, LOL). > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> The frog didn't eat the danios? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "gail" <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> > >> <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; > >> charset=SO-8859-1" > >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> > >> The Glo-fish I was referring to only get like one inch in length. > And the > >> frog I had mentioned was a dwarf spotted African frog. > >> That was a great first set up. My kids really loved it. > >> > >> -gail > >> > >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> > >> <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > >> > >> From: Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@... > <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com> > >> <mailto:pennafd%40yahoo.com>> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta/Glo-fish > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:48 PM > >> > >> Thanks. I thought they were about the size of the Zebras from what > I had > >> seen, but saw the earlier e-mail referring to them as "mini neon > >> danios" and > >> so I wondered. I think I'll consider them in the future. They looked > >> great > >> in your pictures. > >> > >> Deb P. > >> > >> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > >> > >> oops typo there... meant to say that I have NOT seen many fish able to > >> > >> catch them. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > well it depends on the frog, if it's an african dwarf frog it's just > >> > >> > fine, but the big ones, maybe? The glofish are pretty fast and I have > >> > >> > seen many fish able to catch them and eat them. Not sure how fast the > >> > >> > big frogs are though, don't have one myself, I have a dwarf frog. > >> > >> > I'm not sure what their max size is, but they are just like regular > >> > >> > zebra danio sized. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Amber > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Glo-fish are smaller than other Danio? What is their maximum > size? I > >> > >> > > wouldn't have thought they would be good with the frog, but > that was > >> > >> > > when I assumed they were Danio sized. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Deb P. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > >> > >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > >> > >> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Glo-fish like to be in groups though, so having a single glo-fish > >> > > will > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > work, but they won't be as active and happy looking. I have a > >> group of 6 > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > and mine are quite active in the tank, chasing each other, or the > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > platy's/guppy' s. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Amber > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > gail wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > I found that Glo-fish make wonderful friends for Bettas. > >> Glo-fish are > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > like mini, neon danios. They are so cute, and they come in neon > >> colors > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > like: red, yellow, orange. And the nice part is that they > swim much > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > too fast for the Betta to catch them. It is actually really > funny > >> > > > to > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > watch, your grumpy Betta will try and try to catch the glo-fish > >> - but > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > never actually succeed. I had a small tank that consisted of > >> these two > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > fish, and a little frog in the bottom. It was a fun set up. :D > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Gail Johnson > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > <mailto:emcisme% 40verizon. net>> wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > From: erikaandnewton <emcisme@verizon. net <mailto:emcisme% > >> > >> > > 40verizon. net>> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] friends for my betta > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > >> > >> > > %40yahoogroups. com> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:35 PM > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > so moved the betta into a 10 gallon tank, now I think it looks > >> > >> > empty. I > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > am planning on putting some glass shrimp in to help eat food he > >> > >> > misses, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > I should still be good with out a filter if its just him, some > >> shrimp > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > and a bunch of plants right? > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > erika wilmington de usa > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > >> You. > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36803	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad sometimes. lol --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps me put back the extra food, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make movement rather effortless. They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep an eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to slowly add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine will hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others have more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> com> wrote: > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more articles > and > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for all. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to monitor > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your dip > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the > chart > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel and > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as > your > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make sure it > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > spinning > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the > algae > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I > use > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. > . > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > stress-this > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy chemical > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and > how > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes health. > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online fish > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > Filtration > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full time. > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high quality > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as it > is > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple of > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water again). > I > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > cartridge > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes lots of > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > added > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that flimsy > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often with > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > small > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing > its > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > organics > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water > in > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean > the > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every > third > > > > day....... > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > :-) > > > > Bill > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny. /> /> blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > On > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I read > your > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have > found > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my horrid > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to help. > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water has a > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same > with > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I really > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since > I've > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The instructions on > the > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell > you > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, if you > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would still > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB systems that > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > cartridge, > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning ammonia and > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or > might > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a cartridge > on > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap water or > too > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > spins > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be slowing down > due > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. Whenever > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > float > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > you've > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have the dip > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 > for > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > price > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny. /> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression that > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. Often > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer in the > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As for the > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part just been > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do > this > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum part. > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". Your > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge every > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you cleaning > or > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have on your > 55G > > > > tank? > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the > actual > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" > blog > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and the > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make > sure > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > together, > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white > discs > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not > spin > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel paper > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) and use > it > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use this > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for that > > > > tank. > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing enough > tank > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel weekly to > suck > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter maintenance on > one > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps > keep > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny. /> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water > change > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that > the > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > generally > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > water > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I am just > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a contributing > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > question; > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a while my > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the lip of > my > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any advice on > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter system > > > > instead. > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > -gail > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper stocking, > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% PWC's is > the > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous or > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any other > > > > tests you may have? > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a tap > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your > tap... > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, have you > been > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > baseline > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny. /> /> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness after > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" > from > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would > make > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts to > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am > just > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > dealing > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > miracle > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36804	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. After all I like variety ;) LOL Amber gail wrote: > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > sometimes. lol > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > me put > > back the extra food, LOL! > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > movement rather effortless. > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep an > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > slowly > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > will > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others have > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > > On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> > com> > > wrote: > > > > > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > > > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > > > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > > > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > > > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > > > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > > > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> > > yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more > articles > > > and > > > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for > > all. > > > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to > > monitor > > > > > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your > > dip > > > > > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the > > > chart > > > > > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel > > and > > > > > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as > > > your > > > > > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make > sure it > > > > > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > > > spinning > > > > > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > > > > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the > > > algae > > > > > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > > > > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > > > > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I > > > use > > > > > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water > Dechlorinator. > > > . > > > > > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > > > stress-this > > > > > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy > chemical > > > > > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and > > > how > > > > > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes > > health. > > > > > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online > fish > > > > > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > > > > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > > > Filtration > > > > > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full > time. > > > > > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high > quality > > > > > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as > > it > > > is > > > > > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple > > of > > > > > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water > again). > > > I > > > > > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > > > cartridge > > > > > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes > lots of > > > > > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > > > added > > > > > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that > flimsy > > > > > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often > > with > > > > > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > > > small > > > > > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't > doing > > > its > > > > > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > > > organics > > > > > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = > really > > > > > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but > > also > > > > > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the > water > > > in > > > > > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = > clean > > > the > > > > > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every > > > third > > > > > > > > day....... > > > > > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I > read > > > your > > > > > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have > > > found > > > > > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my > horrid > > > > > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to > help. > > > > > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water > has a > > > > > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > > > > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same > > > with > > > > > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I > really > > > > > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > > > > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since > > > I've > > > > > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > > > > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The > instructions on > > > the > > > > > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell > > > you > > > > > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, > if you > > > > > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would > still > > > > > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > > > > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB > systems that > > > > > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > > > cartridge, > > > > > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning > ammonia and > > > > > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or > > > might > > > > > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a > > cartridge > > > on > > > > > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap > water or > > > too > > > > > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > > > > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > > > spins > > > > > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be > slowing down > > > due > > > > > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. > > Whenever > > > > > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > > > float > > > > > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > > > you've > > > > > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have > the dip > > > > > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 > > > for > > > > > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > > > > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > > > price > > > > > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression > > that > > > > > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. > > Often > > > > > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer > in the > > > > > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As > for the > > > > > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part > just been > > > > > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do > > > this > > > > > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum > part. > > > > > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". > Your > > > > > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge > > every > > > > > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you > > cleaning > > > or > > > > > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have > on your > > > 55G > > > > > > > > tank? > > > > > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the > > > actual > > > > > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" > > > blog > > > > > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and > > the > > > > > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make > > > sure > > > > > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > > > together, > > > > > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white > > > discs > > > > > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not > > > spin > > > > > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel > > paper > > > > > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) > and use > > > it > > > > > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use > > this > > > > > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for > > that > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing > enough > > > tank > > > > > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel > weekly to > > > suck > > > > > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter > maintenance on > > > one > > > > > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps > > > keep > > > > > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water > > > change > > > > > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that > > > the > > > > > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > > > generally > > > > > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > > > water > > > > > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I > am just > > > > > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a > contributing > > > > > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > > > question; > > > > > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a > while my > > > > > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the > lip of > > > my > > > > > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any > advice on > > > > > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter > system > > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -gail > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper > stocking, > > > > > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% > PWC's is > > > the > > > > > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous > > or > > > > > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > > > > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any > other > > > > > > > > tests you may have? > > > > > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a > > tap > > > > > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your > > > tap... > > > > > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, > have you > > > been > > > > > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > > > baseline > > > > > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness > > after > > > > > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" > > > from > > > > > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would > > > make > > > > > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts > > to > > > > > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am > > > just > > > > > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > > > dealing > > > > > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > > > miracle > > > > > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36805	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Help me find the name of this cichlid

So I visited the fish that I want really bad. But he's actually $40. OUCH. But for the life of me I cannot remember the genus & species name :(       go to this link to see the picture I took of him (forgive me I am still figuring out how to post photos on the group page)  http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg    Or does anyone have a suggestion of a good site where I can purchase this fish at a better rate?? Thanks in advance! Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36806	From: myronbarefoot	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: discus diet

Hi, I was wondering what some of the discus keepers out ther were feeding their discuss? My base food is cichlid delight (frozen San francisco bay product)with blood worms etc. but I know there are pellets etc. out there and I'm looking at good quality diet as well as price. Also, I like this forum very much but was wondering if there are others you might recomend.Thanks, Myron

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")

Remember in all this feeding talk... for fry and juvi fish, they need to eat many times a day as the metabolisms of their growing bodies are much higher than a full grown adult. If one was to only feed fry or juvi fish once a day or less, those fish will likely be stunted due to malnourishment... or they could even start cannibalizing their brethren... Darwin's survival of the fittest. Most of the fish we buy are still juvi's and have a lot of growing to do before they become full sized adults. I feed juvi fish at least three times a day or more depending on the fishes age or estimated age since we often do not know. They only need a small amount of food because they are so small but that food will not last long due to their increased metabolism so they just need to be fed small amounts much more often. Lets compare this to a newborn or infant child. Would you only feed your baby once a day so you don't have to change their diaper as often? I think some of this "advice" was promulgated way back before we knew much about the nitrogen cycle, filtration, PWC's, stunting, etc. What the "advisors" knew is that if they fed the fish too much, the water would get fouled and the fish would die, unless they did frequent PWC's... so the solution for some was to not feed the fish as often. Of course, they couldn't hear the crying, screaming, hungry baby fish. It would be nice if we could get away with it a child but that screaming baby will not let us get away with it... at least not for very long. I think most folks feed their newborn children every couple of hours. As the child grows, the time between feedings get a little longer until we are on a three meals a day type schedule and then once we are adults and our metabolisms slow down even more, many cut back to two meals a day... and then dip into eating more snacks. ;-) Yes... all of this means more PWC's and filter maintenance for tanks with younger fish but it's the nature of raising a baby (fish) just like raising a child and constantly changing their diapers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. After all I like variety ;) LOL Amber gail wrote: > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > sometimes. lol > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > me put > > back the extra food, LOL! > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it > becomes > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > movement rather effortless. > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no > ill > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to > keep an > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it > does > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > slowly > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready > to > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > will > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others > have > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much > to > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36808	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

How many do you have in your tank? And how many gallons? Mine is a 55 gallon with 20 fish. Maybe twice a day may be a bit much, but for now I am cutting back on the shrimp pellets and all food in general. --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:53 PM Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. After all I like variety ;) LOL Amber gail wrote: > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > sometimes. lol > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> wrote: > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > me put > > back the extra food, LOL! > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > movement rather effortless. > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep an > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > slowly > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > will > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others have > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > > On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> > com> > > wrote: > > > > > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > > > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > > > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > > > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > > > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > > > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > > > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> > > yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more > articles > > > and > > > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for > > all. > > > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to > > monitor > > > > > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your > > dip > > > > > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the > > > chart > > > > > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel > > and > > > > > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as > > > your > > > > > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make > sure it > > > > > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > > > spinning > > > > > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae blooms > > > > > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the > > > algae > > > > > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. That > > > > > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical > > > > > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. I > > > use > > > > > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water > Dechlorinator. > > > . > > > > > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > > > stress-this > > > > > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy > chemical > > > > > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing and > > > how > > > > > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes > > health. > > > > > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online > fish > > > > > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both of > > > > > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > > > Filtration > > > > > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full > time. > > > > > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high > quality > > > > > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it as > > it > > > is > > > > > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every couple > > of > > > > > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water > again). > > > I > > > > > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > > > cartridge > > > > > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes > lots of > > > > > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > > > added > > > > > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that > flimsy > > > > > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often > > with > > > > > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > > > small > > > > > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't > doing > > > its > > > > > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > > > organics > > > > > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = > really > > > > > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but > > also > > > > > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the > water > > > in > > > > > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = > clean > > > the > > > > > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every > > > third > > > > > > > > day....... > > > > > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I > read > > > your > > > > > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have > > > found > > > > > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my > horrid > > > > > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to > help. > > > > > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water > has a > > > > > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went wrong: > > > > > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same > > > with > > > > > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I > really > > > > > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about > > > > > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since > > > I've > > > > > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining filter > > > > > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The > instructions on > > > the > > > > > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can sell > > > you > > > > > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, > if you > > > > > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would > still > > > > > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also be > > > > > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB > systems that > > > > > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > > > cartridge, > > > > > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning > ammonia and > > > > > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. or > > > might > > > > > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a > > cartridge > > > on > > > > > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap > water or > > > too > > > > > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a > > > > > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > > > spins > > > > > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be > slowing down > > > due > > > > > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. > > Whenever > > > > > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > > > float > > > > > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > > > you've > > > > > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have > the dip > > > > > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under $20.00 > > > for > > > > > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free > > > > > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > > > price > > > > > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression > > that > > > > > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. > > Often > > > > > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer > in the > > > > > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As > for the > > > > > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part > just been > > > > > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do > > > this > > > > > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum > part. > > > > > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". > Your > > > > > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge > > every > > > > > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you > > cleaning > > > or > > > > > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have > on your > > > 55G > > > > > > > > tank? > > > > > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the > > > actual > > > > > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter Profile" > > > blog > > > > > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and > > the > > > > > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make > > > sure > > > > > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > > > together, > > > > > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these white > > > discs > > > > > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will not > > > spin > > > > > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel > > paper > > > > > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) > and use > > > it > > > > > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use > > this > > > > > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for > > that > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing > enough > > > tank > > > > > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel > weekly to > > > suck > > > > > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter > maintenance on > > > one > > > > > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps > > > keep > > > > > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water > > > change > > > > > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know that > > > the > > > > > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > > > generally > > > > > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > > > water > > > > > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I > am just > > > > > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a > contributing > > > > > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > > > question; > > > > > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a > while my > > > > > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the > lip of > > > my > > > > > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any > advice on > > > > > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter > system > > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -gail > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper > stocking, > > > > > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% > PWC's is > > > the > > > > > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive nitrogenous > > or > > > > > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water > > > > > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any > other > > > > > > > > tests you may have? > > > > > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a > > tap > > > > > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your > > > tap... > > > > > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, > have you > > > been > > > > > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > > > baseline > > > > > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > blogspot. com (Links > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness > > after > > > > > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" > > > from > > > > > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance would > > > make > > > > > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae starts > > to > > > > > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I am > > > just > > > > > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > > > dealing > > > > > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > > > miracle > > > > > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36809	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website

so I found out the name for the cichlid I got, that I thought was a peacock it''s a: Tretocephalus Cichlid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36810	From: gail	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?

Surinamen Geophagus see the following images: http://badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/cichlids/surinamensis.html I am curious about this one. And I am tempted to get one. Too bad he's not in stock at the place I found online. -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36811	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website

OK... that's a mostly right name but here's the full name... Neolamprologus tretocephalus. Here's a few profiles on them from reputable sites. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1639 http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Neolamprologus_tretocephalus.html http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_Neolamprologus_tretocephalus.php http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/lamp-tre.htm http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/367.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Cichlid database/website so I found out the name for the cichlid I got, that I thought was a peacock it''s a: Tretocephalus Cichlid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?

Remember to do LOTS of research on fish before buying them.. and cichlids might even require more than most others. Just because they share the common name "cichlid" does not mean they make compatible tank mates. They will often have a HUGE difference in their water parameter needs and habitats. Some are relatively peaceful and others are extremely aggressive. Here is Badman's profile on the Geophagus Surinamensis. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile97.html You'll quickly see they grow to 12" and need a 75G+ sized tank, they are from South America and prefer softer water... compared to your other cichlid that comes from Lake Tanganyika in Africa and needs very hard water with a high pH.... so luckily for you and the fish, they didn't have them in stock. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids? Surinamen Geophagus see the following images: http://badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/cichlids/surinamensis.html I am curious about this one. And I am tempted to get one. Too bad he's not in stock at the place I found online. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36813	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Well, I've got mine trained; if I turn on the light or put my hand in the water at the top of the tank, they beg. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging > that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the > tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but > randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to > rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > After all I like variety ;) LOL > > Amber > > gail wrote: >> >> Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you >> know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all >> begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad >> sometimes. lol >> >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: >> From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM >> >> I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps >> me put >> >> back the extra food, LOL! >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On >> >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM >> >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes >> >> easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size >> >> difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no >> >> calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make >> >> movement rather effortless. >> >> They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no ill >> >> effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to keep >> an >> >> eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. >> >> As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it does >> >> not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to >> slowly >> >> add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to >> >> eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine >> will >> >> hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others >> have >> >> more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. >> >> Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to >> >> feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. >> >> Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. >> >> On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> >> com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i >> >> > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over >> >> > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" >> >> > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like >> >> > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to >> >> > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much >> >> > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ >> >> <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> >> >> yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more >> articles >> >> > and >> >> > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for >> >> all. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks again! >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >> >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >> >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >> yahoogroups. com >> >> <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> >> >> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to >> >> monitor >> >> > > >> >> > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever your >> >> dip >> >> > > >> >> > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color but the >> >> > chart >> >> > > >> >> > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The Bio-Wheel >> >> and >> >> > > >> >> > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying bacteria as >> >> > your >> >> > > >> >> > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make >> sure it >> >> > > >> >> > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's >> >> > spinning >> >> > > >> >> > > a little, it will still work. >> >> > > >> >> > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae >> > > blooms >> >> > > >> >> > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water so the >> >> > algae >> >> > > >> >> > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your fish. >> > > That >> >> > > >> >> > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most chemical >> >> > > >> >> > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. >> >> > > >> >> > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor product. >> > > I >> >> > use >> >> > > >> >> > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water >> Dechlorinator. >> >> > . >> >> > > >> >> > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No >> >> > stress-this >> >> > > >> >> > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy >> chemical >> >> > > >> >> > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are doing >> > > and >> >> > how >> >> > > >> >> > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes >> >> health. >> >> > > >> >> > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online >> fish >> >> > > >> >> > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or both >> > > of >> >> > > >> >> > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics >> >> > > >> >> > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. >> >> > > >> >> > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical >> >> > Filtration >> >> > > >> >> > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full >> time. >> >> > > >> >> > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high >> quality >> >> > > >> >> > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave it >> > > as >> >> it >> >> > is >> >> > > >> >> > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every >> > > couple >> >> of >> >> > > >> >> > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water >> again). >> >> > I >> >> > > >> >> > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same >> >> > cartridge >> >> > > >> >> > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. >> >> > > >> >> > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes >> lots of >> >> > > >> >> > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and >> >> > added >> >> > > >> >> > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that >> flimsy >> >> > > >> >> > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often >> >> with >> >> > > >> >> > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or >> >> > small >> >> > > >> >> > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. >> >> > > >> >> > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... >> >> > > >> >> > > FILTRATION: >> >> > > >> >> > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. >> >> > > >> >> > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't >> doing >> >> > its >> >> > > >> >> > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. >> >> > > >> >> > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take >> >> > organics >> >> > > >> >> > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = >> really >> >> > > >> >> > > aren't a problem.) >> >> > > >> >> > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but >> >> also >> >> > > >> >> > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the >> water >> >> > in >> >> > > >> >> > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. >> >> > > >> >> > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = >> clean >> >> > the >> >> > > >> >> > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, >> > > every >> >> > third >> >> > > >> >> > > day....... >> >> > > >> >> > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... >> >> > > >> >> > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. >> >> > > >> >> > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. >> >> > > >> >> > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? >> >> > > >> >> > > Why not the fishes' also. >> >> > > >> >> > > :-) >> >> > > >> >> > > Bill >> >> > > >> >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > > >> >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> blogspot. com >> >> > > >> >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> right >> >> > > >> >> > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> >> Month) >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> >> > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> > > yahoogroups. >> >> > com] >> >> > > On >> >> > > >> >> > > Behalf Of gail >> >> > > >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I >> read >> >> > your >> >> > > >> >> > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I have >> >> > found >> >> > > >> >> > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my >> horrid >> >> > > >> >> > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to >> help. >> >> > > >> >> > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water >> has a >> >> > > >> >> > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. >> >> > > >> >> > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went >> > > wrong: >> >> > > >> >> > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the same >> >> > with >> >> > > >> >> > > my (now dead) bio wheel >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I >> really >> >> > > >> >> > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > So, for you I have Two questions: >> >> > > >> >> > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? >> >> > > >> >> > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is about >> >> > > >> >> > > 6+wks old. >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM >> >> > > >> >> > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter >> >> > > >> >> > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years since >> >> > I've >> >> > > >> >> > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining >> > > filter >> >> > > >> >> > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The >> instructions on >> >> > the >> >> > > >> >> > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they can >> > > sell >> >> > you >> >> > > >> >> > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, >> if you >> >> > > >> >> > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would >> still >> >> > > >> >> > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will also >> > > be >> >> > > >> >> > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB >> systems that >> >> > > >> >> > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter >> >> > cartridge, >> >> > > >> >> > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning >> ammonia and >> >> > > >> >> > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the fish.. >> > > or >> >> > might >> >> > > >> >> > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. >> >> > > >> >> > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a >> >> cartridge >> >> > on >> >> > > >> >> > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good >> >> > > >> >> > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap >> water or >> >> > too >> >> > > >> >> > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least spinning a >> >> > > >> >> > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel >> >> > spins >> >> > > >> >> > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be >> slowing down >> >> > due >> >> > > >> >> > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. >> >> Whenever >> >> > > >> >> > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just >> >> > float >> >> > > >> >> > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope >> >> > you've >> >> > > >> >> > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. >> >> > > >> >> > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have >> the dip >> >> > > >> >> > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under >> > > $20.00 >> >> > for >> >> > > >> >> > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with free >> >> > > >> >> > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this >> >> > price >> >> > > >> >> > > range but not with the free shipping option. >> >> > > >> >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > > >> >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> blogspot. com (Links >> >> > to any articles >> >> > > >> >> > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> > > alphabetically >> >> > under >> >> > > >> >> > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> >> > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> > > yahoogroups. >> >> > com] >> >> > > >> >> > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > > >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression >> >> that >> >> > > >> >> > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. >> >> Often >> >> > > >> >> > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer >> in the >> >> > > >> >> > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As >> for the >> >> > > >> >> > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part >> just been >> >> > > >> >> > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. I do >> >> > this >> >> > > >> >> > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum >> part. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks & best Regards, >> >> > > >> >> > > Gail Johnson >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM >> >> > > >> >> > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". >> Your >> >> > > >> >> > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be >> >> > > >> >> > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge >> >> every >> >> > > >> >> > > week or two instead of cleaning it. >> >> > > >> >> > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you >> >> cleaning >> >> > or >> >> > > >> >> > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have >> on your >> >> > 55G >> >> > > >> >> > > tank? >> >> > > >> >> > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say what the >> >> > actual >> >> > > >> >> > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? >> >> > > >> >> > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter >> > > Profile" >> >> > blog >> >> > > >> >> > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on mine) and >> >> the >> >> > > >> >> > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also make >> >> > sure >> >> > > >> >> > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed >> >> > together, >> >> > > >> >> > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these >> > > white >> >> > discs >> >> > > >> >> > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel will >> > > not >> >> > spin >> >> > > >> >> > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel >> >> paper >> >> > > >> >> > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) >> and use >> >> > it >> >> > > >> >> > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use >> >> this >> >> > > >> >> > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for >> >> that >> >> > > >> >> > > tank. >> >> > > >> >> > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing >> enough >> >> > tank >> >> > > >> >> > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel >> weekly to >> >> > suck >> >> > > >> >> > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter >> maintenance on >> >> > one >> >> > > >> >> > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further helps >> >> > keep >> >> > > >> >> > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . >> >> > > >> >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > > >> >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> blogspot. com (Links >> >> > to any articles >> >> > > >> >> > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> > > alphabetically >> >> > under >> >> > > >> >> > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> >> > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> > > yahoogroups. >> >> > com] >> >> > > >> >> > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > > >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a water >> >> > change >> >> > > >> >> > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do know >> > > that >> >> > the >> >> > > >> >> > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is >> >> > generally >> >> > > >> >> > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap >> >> > water >> >> > > >> >> > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I >> am just >> >> > > >> >> > > getting use to them. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a >> contributing >> >> > > >> >> > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another >> >> > question; >> >> > > >> >> > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a >> while my >> >> > > >> >> > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the >> lip of >> >> > my >> >> > > >> >> > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any >> advice on >> >> > > >> >> > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter >> system >> >> > > >> >> > > instead. >> >> > > >> >> > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks, >> >> > > >> >> > > -gail >> >> > > >> >> > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper >> stocking, >> >> > > >> >> > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% >> PWC's is >> >> > the >> >> > > >> >> > > best thing you can do for your fish. >> >> > > >> >> > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive >> > > nitrogenous >> >> or >> >> > > >> >> > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your water >> >> > > >> >> > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any >> other >> >> > > >> >> > > tests you may have? >> >> > > >> >> > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. Do a >> >> tap >> >> > > >> >> > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from your >> >> > tap... >> >> > > >> >> > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, >> have you >> >> > been >> >> > > >> >> > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water >> >> > baseline >> >> > > >> >> > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. >> >> > > >> >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > > >> >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> blogspot. com (Links >> >> > to any articles >> >> > > >> >> > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> > > alphabetically >> >> > under >> >> > > >> >> > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> >> > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> > > yahoogroups. >> >> > com] >> >> > > >> >> > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > > >> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM >> >> > > >> >> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > > >> >> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > > >> >> > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. >> >> > > >> >> > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness >> >> after >> >> > > >> >> > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water clarifier" >> >> > from >> >> > > >> >> > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance >> > > would >> >> > make >> >> > > >> >> > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae >> > > starts >> >> to >> >> > > >> >> > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And >> >> > > >> >> > > occasionally you can see my fish. >> >> > > >> >> > > Sad, huh? >> >> > > >> >> > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. so I >> > > am >> >> > just >> >> > > >> >> > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. >> >> > > >> >> > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and >> >> > dealing >> >> > > >> >> > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or >> >> > miracle >> >> > > >> >> > > cures. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > thanks, >> >> > > >> >> > > Gail >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36814	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid

Gail, You let the price get ahead of you. The fish appears to be _Geophagus surinamensis_ or the redstriped eartheater. I can't think of a reason for the pricing, unless it is a large fish--these guys can get to around 12", so you would need a large tank for them as well. Check AquaBid to see if any are offered there, if you have enough room for them. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Help me find the name of this cichlid > > So I visited the fish that I want really bad. But he's actually $40. OUCH. > But for the life of me I cannot remember the genus & species name :( > go to this link to see the picture I took of him (forgive me I am still figuring out how to post > photos on the group page) > >  http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > > Or does anyone have a suggestion of a good site where I can purchase this fish at a better > rate?? > > Thanks in advance! > Gail > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36816	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: I think our heat wave killed some of my fish...

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > Yes the heat is most likely to blame. I am living in Melbourne and going throught the heat wave from Hell aswell. I live upstairs above a shop and all my tanks are over heating as i have no air conditioning. In one tank I have a yabbie with a Water spider. The water spider has been cooked. I put my hand in the water and felt just as hot as my topical tanks. The yabbie crawed out of the tank and made it way down stairs only to be harassed by my cat. This got my attention, because I was sleeping in my kitchen, because it is too hot to sleep in my bedroom up stairs. I have resorted to turning off the heater in my tropical tank, because the weather is already doing heating for me. Sorry to hear about your loss. Edwin > While we swelter down here in Australia with temps of 40+ degrees. My > fish tank seems to have suffered a loss of life. Three of my fish, 1 > male guppy, 1 cardenal tetra, and my dwarf gourami, have all perished. > I did a chemical test, and nitrite, nitrate, amonia, and Ph are all > where they should be. And the temp of the tank normally sits at 27. > > Then I checked the filter, and the right uplift tube (remember I have > an undergravel filter) appeared not to be working properly. So I > fiddled with the tube for a bit cleaned it in tank water, and > replaced it. Then it still wasn't working very well. So I turned up > the power on the powerhead, and that appears top have done the trick. > For now. > (I need to replace the filter medium) > > But the air con in the room had only recently been switched on. > So could the heat of the day impact the temp in the tank? > > All my curtains were closed, and the tank's light switched off (until > recently) > The tank is in my room, which today would have reached a temp of 43 > > I'm confused and upset over the loss. > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36817	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

125 gallon tank, lemme count what I have, LOL. 6 sewellia lineolata loaches 1 gold severum about 3 1/2 inches in size 2 angel fish about 3 inches with fins 6 glo-fish danio's 1 dwarf gourami 4 flame tetras 4 platy's, need to get another female though as I have a 2/2 ratio on males to females and I want more females so they get chased less 7 guppies, 4 females 3 males okay I think I got everyone, LOL. Most of the fish are small, but the bigger fish are pigs and if I don't give them enough they will eat all the other food that the little fish go for, and chase them away, so I try to feed them on one side of the tank and the little fish on the other, so far it works okay. Amber gail wrote: > > How many do you have in your tank? And how many gallons? > Mine is a 55 gallon with 20 fish. Maybe twice a day may be a bit much, > but for now I am cutting back on the shrimp pellets and all food in > general. > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:53 PM > > Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging > > that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the > > tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but > > randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to > > rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > > After all I like variety ;) LOL > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > > > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > > > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > > > sometimes. lol > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > > > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> wrote: > > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > > > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > > > > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > > > me put > > > > > > back the extra food, LOL! > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it becomes > > > > > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > > > > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > > > > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > > > > > movement rather effortless. > > > > > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with > no ill > > > > > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to > keep an > > > > > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > > > > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it > does > > > > > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > > > slowly > > > > > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to > > > > > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > > > will > > > > > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many > others have > > > > > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > > > > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to > > > > > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed > them. > > > > > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > > > > > > On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> > > > com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i > > > > > > > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > > > > > > > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" > > > > > > > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > > > > > > > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying to > > > > > > > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much > > > > > > > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ > > > > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> > > > > > > yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more > > > articles > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and for > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > yahoogroups. com > > > > > > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to > > > > > > monitor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever > your > > > > > > dip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color > but the > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The > Bio-Wheel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying > bacteria as > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make > > > sure it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's > > > > > > > spinning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little, it will still work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae > blooms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water > so the > > > > > > > algae > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your > fish. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most > chemical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor > product. I > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water > > > Dechlorinator. > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > > > > > > > stress-this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy > > > chemical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are > doing and > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes > > > > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online > > > fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or > both of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > > > > > > > Filtration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave > it as > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water > > > again). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > > > > > > > cartridge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes > > > lots of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon and > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that > > > flimsy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too often > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked or > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FILTRATION: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't > > > doing > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take > > > > > > > organics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aren't a problem.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the > > > water > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = > > > clean > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, > every > > > > > > > third > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the fishes' also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > > > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > > > > > blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I > > > read > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I > have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my > > > horrid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to > > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water > > > has a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went > wrong: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the > same > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6+wks old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years > since > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining > filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The > > > instructions on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they > can sell > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, > > > if you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will > also be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB > > > systems that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > > > > > > > cartridge, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning > > > ammonia and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the > fish.. or > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a > > > > > > cartridge > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap > > > water or > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least > spinning a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the wheel > > > > > > > spins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be > > > slowing down > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. > > > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, just > > > > > > > float > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I hope > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have > > > the dip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under > $20.00 > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with > free > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in this > > > > > > > price > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > > > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > > > > > blogspot. com (Links > > > > > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the impression > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. > > > > > > Often > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part > > > just been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. > I do > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum > > > part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gail Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you > > > > > > cleaning > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have > > > on your > > > > > > > 55G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say > what the > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter > Profile" > > > > > > > blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on > mine) and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also > make > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > > > > > > > together, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these > white > > > > > > > discs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel > will not > > > > > > > spin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel > > > > > > paper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) > > > and use > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also use > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else for > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing > > > enough > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel > > > weekly to > > > > > > > suck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter > > > maintenance on > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further > helps > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > > > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > > > > > blogspot. com (Links > > > > > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a > water > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do > know that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my tap > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I > > > am just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting use to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a > > > contributing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > > > > > > > question; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a > > > while my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the > > > lip of > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any > > > advice on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper > > > stocking, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% > > > PWC's is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive > nitrogenous > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests you may have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. > Do a > > > > > > tap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from > your > > > > > > > tap... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, > > > have you > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > > > > > > > baseline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > > > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > > > > > > blogspot. com (Links > > > > > > > to any articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water > clarifier" > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance > would > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae > starts > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sad, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. > so I am > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and > > > > > > > dealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or > > > > > > > miracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36818	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding

Good to know, thanks Lenny :) I've been trying to make sure my Loaches get access to more than just algae growth (although that's all they seem interested in so far), so I drop sinking carnivore pellets into the areas they hang out, hoping they might eat some... so far no takers, but the Severum sure does appreciate it when he finds them, LOL. I should have realized it would be similar to hand feeding birds, they start out at every 1 or 2 hours, and increase up to 8 hours between meals by the time they are nearly weaned off of the hand feeding formula. And yes, I breed birds, or used to, now days I take the eggs away and put the nest box in storage, just don't have time to get up at night every 2 hours to feed baby birds, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Remember in all this feeding talk... for fry and juvi fish, they need > to eat > many times a day as the metabolisms of their growing bodies are much > higher > than a full grown adult. If one was to only feed fry or juvi fish once a > day or less, those fish will likely be stunted due to malnourishment... or > they could even start cannibalizing their brethren... Darwin's survival of > the fittest. > > Most of the fish we buy are still juvi's and have a lot of growing to do > before they become full sized adults. I feed juvi fish at least three > times > a day or more depending on the fishes age or estimated age since we > often do > not know. They only need a small amount of food because they are so small > but that food will not last long due to their increased metabolism so they > just need to be fed small amounts much more often. > > Lets compare this to a newborn or infant child. Would you only feed your > baby once a day so you don't have to change their diaper as often? I think > some of this "advice" was promulgated way back before we knew much > about the > nitrogen cycle, filtration, PWC's, stunting, etc. What the "advisors" knew > is that if they fed the fish too much, the water would get fouled and the > fish would die, unless they did frequent PWC's... so the solution for some > was to not feed the fish as often. Of course, they couldn't hear the > crying, screaming, hungry baby fish. It would be nice if we could get away > with it a child but that screaming baby will not let us get away with > it... > at least not for very long. I think most folks feed their newborn children > every couple of hours. As the child grows, the time between feedings get a > little longer until we are on a three meals a day type schedule and then > once we are adults and our metabolisms slow down even more, many cut > back to > two meals a day... and then dip into eating more snacks. ;-) > > Yes... all of this means more PWC's and filter maintenance for tanks with > younger fish but it's the nature of raising a baby (fish) just like > raising > a child and constantly changing their diapers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging > that > they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank > though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly > I will > feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food > types > so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > After all I like variety ;) LOL > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > > sometimes. lol > > > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> > > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> > > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > > me put > > > > back the extra food, LOL! > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it > > becomes > > > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > > > movement rather effortless. > > > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no > > ill > > > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to > > keep an > > > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it > > does > > > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > > slowly > > > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready > > to > > > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > > will > > > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others > > have > > > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much > > to > > > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed > them. > > > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36819	From: edwingardiner@ymail.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Taking photos

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > Thanks for that I will try it out. Edwin > I find it easier to also turn off all the room lights and use the tank > lights to take pictures with. I don't use the flash on my camera either > as that will obviously reflect on the side of the tank. Also red eye > "red lights" will reflect on the side of the tank. Also don't hold the > camera close to the glass as the lens has trouble focusing on inside the > tank and will focus on the glass instead. > Hope that helps, > Amber > > eclampe wrote: > > > > I am no photographer by any means, and have only a $100 digital > > camera, but I recently took some pictures of my fish for the first > > time. On my first attempt, I was having the same problem you are > > experiencing. I turned off all the other lights in the room and used > > the camera's night setting and got some pretty good shots. The > > challenge was getting the fish to hold still. All but 4 out of 40 > > shots were not blurred due to fish movement. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Edwin, and welcome to the Group. As you're finding out, fish > > > photography is not as easy as it may look. Following up on > > \\Steve's// > > > comments, and filling in for his present lack of time at this > > moment, > > > you can find some of his suggestions on a Subject thread > > > entitled "Photo Tips Wanted" in the archives in Message #28501 > > > (6/30/08) and #28516 (7/1/08). They should offer you a few > > pointers. > > > Lots of luck with your photography, and please post some of your > > > results when you get something you're satisfied with. Ray > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "edwingardiner@" > > > <edwingardiner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi I am new to the group, and was wondering how to take photos of > > my > > > > fish in their tank. All the attempts I have made so far have not > > been > > > > very, because of the reflection of the glass ? > > > > > > > > Edwin > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36820	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' but from this post the word 'ick' continues. I'm intrigued Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are you > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are you > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my hillstream > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with tropical > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > Amber > > greychildren wrote: > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and ended up > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them > > off, > > > won't do that again! > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. When I go > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > works > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the > > sick > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing whatever > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish though, and > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). I now > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy sick ones > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > definitely > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > > > make sure > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from > > > > a store > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > selling them > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > > > plants but > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a > > > > natural > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > and the > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish > > are more > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > > > night and > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one > > > > that i > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what > > it look > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i > > > > cleaned > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the > > > > tank, I > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the > > tank at > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I > > seen any > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > last night > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our > > > > tanks. > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while > > trying > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > else but I > > > > > do not > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've > > ever > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > aquarium > > > > > plants are > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > though and > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd > > > > see > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > black so > > > > > > this may > > > > > be what > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > > > > > and mine > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > > > > > you have, > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they > > live > > > > > off of > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > rooted > > > > > plant, > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > > > > > they do > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > > > > > have them > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > constantly > > > > > have > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > > > > > as well > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that > > > > tank > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > > > > > Check out > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > them on > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you > > would > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > > > > > part of > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > > > > > could be > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > > > > > caught my > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > tank is > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > > > > > mark on > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > > > > > its back > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > substrate or > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > quarantined and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > links to > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror it also > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took > > it back > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > harmless and > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't find any. > > > > > > However > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the > > tank. A > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found 4. Does > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very > > good > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often > > the light > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a > > cheap shop > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for > > you. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe (would have > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS > > told me I > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular lights > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium > > room, > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other > > than that > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have to have a > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several > > articles > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I have live > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis > > and other > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > Although the > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly > > tank > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use > > clay pots > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the plants in > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all that > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several clay pots > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks > > out of > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose stalks and > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and have had > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others > > over the > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the most part > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow right back > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- 2000-big- > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll > > down to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse plants, > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top > > of my > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G tank > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I had to > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they like the > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a > > chance to > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots and/or > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank articles that I > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do OK. If you > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to > > death. > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before making your > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > > > > packages. > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly due to > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy from them, > > > > get > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can > > also check > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've > > fixed their > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish habitat > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the > > light on > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, > > med and > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish > > loves > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36821	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid database/website

The picture I saw did not look like a tret, I have one. I was thinking more eartheater but I'm really not familiar with them. My fish is a neolamprologus tretocephalus and it's from Lake Tanganyika. Silvery fish with black bars and fins tinted blue. Very aggressive. Be sure you don't get more than one because when they spawn they kill everything in the tank and sometimes each other. Once is supposed to be doable in a Tang community, we will see. I have only had mine for 2 months.he definitely harasses the shellies. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Cichlid database/website so I found out the name for the cichlid I got, that I thought was a peacock it''s a: Tretocephalus Cichlid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36822	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid

Gail, This appears to me to be a juvenile Gymnogeophagus balzani (Hump-Head Geophagus), a Cichlid from Peru, which grows to about 7" or so. While it is one of the less common Geophagines, a price of $40 for a fish of this species, of the size being offered, would seem to be a rip-off. As for purchasing from a site which you would need to ship from, I doubt it would be worth the cost as you would probably not realize any savings afer paying the freight. If still intent on buying this species, you could try AquaBid or check out Jeff Rapps from time to time at < tangledupincichlids.com >. Be advised that you could not keep this fish as a community tank inhabitant with Neon Tetras and the like as he will make a quick lunch of them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > So I visited the fish that I want really bad. But he's actually $40. OUCH. > But for the life of me I cannot remember the genus & species name : (       > go to this link to see the picture I took of him (forgive me I am still figuring out how to post photos on the group page) > >  http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg >    > Or does anyone have a suggestion of a good site where I can purchase this fish at a better rate?? > > Thanks in advance! > Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36823	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

It probably should be "Ich" which is short for Ichthyophthirius (which is the Genus for several species of this protozoan parasite)... at least when I refer to it, I try to at least spell it as "Ich" instead of "Ick" but the "Ich" would be pronounced the same as "Ick" since the first syllable of Ichthyophthirius, like Ichthyology is pronounced as "Ick". The word "Ich" is actually the German spelling for "I" and is pronounced with a rolling "ch" at the end.. like you would be saying it while clearing your throat... at least I think that's how Frau Ching taught me back in high school... yes, my German teacher was Chinese. ;-) There are various medicines available and some of them spell it as Ick-Away, Rid-Ick, Cure-Ick or something like that so I think that's where the "Ick" short-cut spelling is derived. Here's a couple of detailed articles about this fish parasite. http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jasmine Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' but from this post the word 'ick' continues. I'm intrigued Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are you > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are you > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my hillstream > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with tropical > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > Amber > > greychildren wrote: > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet > > smart that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > > loches and my serpa tetras now.... > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and ended up > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick > > > them > > off, > > > won't do that again! > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. When I go > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > works > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure > > > the > > sick > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing whatever > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish though, and > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get > > > the other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). I now > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy sick ones > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because > > > I really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because > > > > I moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the > > > > two upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they have taken > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first before > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an angel fish. > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more angels in a > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left that > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > definitely > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that > > > > > store, > > > > make sure > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to buy from > > > > a store > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff first. > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > selling them > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten > > > > > with > > > > plants but > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider them a > > > > natural > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > and the > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most > > > > > catfish > > are more > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active > > > > > at > > > > night and > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't see one > > > > that i > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows > > > > > what > > it look > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to ensure i > > > > cleaned > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant into the > > > > tank, I > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at > > > > > the > > tank at > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have > > > > > I > > seen any > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > last night > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up in our > > > > tanks. > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years > > > > > > while > > trying > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > else but I > > > > > do not > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time > > > > > > I've > > ever > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > aquarium > > > > > plants are > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > though and > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it seems you'd > > > > see > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you haven't > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind e> > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind e > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind e>> > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are most > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > black so > > > > > > this may > > > > > be what > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the clean-up crew > > > > > and mine > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this is what > > > > > you have, > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as > > > > > > they > > live > > > > > off of > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > rooted > > > > > plant, > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that was in the > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are harmless but > > > > > they do > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The reason I > > > > > have them > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > constantly > > > > > have > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum the gravel > > > > > as well > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help keep that > > > > tank > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in > > > > > > other > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the glass? > > > > > Check out > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > them on > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but > > > > > > you > > would > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it just be > > > > > part of > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots as they > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, then it > > > > > could be > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one that first > > > > > caught my > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > tank is > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white dot type > > > > > mark on > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing upward with > > > > > its back > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > substrate or > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > quarantined and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > links to > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36825	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Jasmine, Now that you mention it, this is one of the stranger questioned to be asked, but for a beginner whom is not yet familiar with this it's perfectly sensible. It does happen to be a sickness, but this is not meant as someone leaving off the "s" from that word. It's a somewhat common fish illness most often occurring in beginning hobbyists tank, as they may not yet know much about it or even how to prevent from getting it in the first place. This does not mean it can't happen to anyone's fish, nor despite diligence against it when fish are inadvertently subjected to chills resulting from a power outage (this chill is most often brought on by beginners when transporting fish in cold weather without regard for proper insulation against the elements). The word "Ich" is the common name for the specific disease, short for "Ichthyophthirius," a protozoan parasite which manifests itself as an appearance of a salt-like sprinkling of themselves over the skin and fins of the fish. It's safely treatable with a heat and salt treatment when it does occur, which as previously mentioned, is the result of stress -- most often received as a chill. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@...> wrote: > > I know this maybe a strange question to ask but What is ick? > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > I'm intrigued > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are > you > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are > you > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > hillstream > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > tropical > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > ended up > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them > > > off, > > > > won't do that again! > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > When I go > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > > works > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the > > > sick > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > whatever > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > though, and > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). > I now > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > sick ones > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > have taken > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first > before > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > angel fish. > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > angels in a > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left > that > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > > definitely > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > > > > make sure > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > buy from > > > > > a store > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > > selling them > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > > > > plants but > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider > them a > > > > > natural > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > > and the > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish > > > are more > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > > > > night and > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > see one > > > > > that i > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what > > > it look > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > ensure i > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > into the > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the > > > tank at > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I > > > seen any > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > > last night > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up > in our > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while > > > trying > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > > else but I > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've > > > ever > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > > aquarium > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > > though and > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > seems you'd > > > > > see > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > haven't > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are > most > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > > black so > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > clean-up crew > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this > is what > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they > > > live > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > > rooted > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > was in the > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > harmless but > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > reason I > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > > constantly > > > > > > have > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > the gravel > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > keep that > > > > > tank > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the > glass? > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > > them on > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you > > > would > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > just be > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots > as they > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > then it > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > that first > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > > tank is > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > dot type > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > upward with > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > substrate or > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > > links to > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror > it also > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took > > > it back > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > > harmless and > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't > find any. > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found > 4. Does > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very > > > good > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often > > > the light > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for > > > you. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe > (would have > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular > lights > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have > to have a > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I > have live > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis > > > and other > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > > Although the > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the > plants in > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all > that > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel > in my > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several > clay pots > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose > stalks and > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and > have had > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others > > > over the > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the > most part > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow > right back > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll > > > down to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse > plants, > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top > > > of my > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G > tank > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I > had to > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they > like the > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a > > > chance to > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots > and/or > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to > > > death. > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before > making your > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant- habitat- > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly > due to > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy > from them, > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can > > > also check > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish > habitat > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36826	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

While some neophytes insist on writing this as "Ick," the way that it sounds, most veterans write it as "Ich" when discussing this disease among their peers, knowing that it's an abbreviation for this disease (and knowing its a Latin derivitive of Ichthys (FISH, as is also the name "Ichthyophthirius," and its subsequent pronouncement); not as a German derivitive. It is not pronounced with a rolling "ch" at the end, as it would if it were German, i.e., it is not pronounced as John F. Kennedy spoke to the German people when he said "Ich Bein Berliner. It is somewhat feasible that some people may have just used the "Ick" spelling taken from one of the fairly recent medications specifically formulated for this use, such as Wardley's Ick-Away and Jungle's Ick- Clear although just as many of these remedies are spelled as "Ich" (Kordon's Rid-Ich and Ich-Attack). Obviously, these medications were not yet on the market when Ichthiophthirius multifiliis (Fouquet) was first described in 1876, and aquarists of the early 20th century, when the hobby was first getting off its feet, never wrote it as "Ick" but as Ich. Actually, the ectoparasite Ichthyophthirius (Ichthyophthiriasis) multifiliis is in a mono-typic Genus (having only one species), even though it is assumed of having more than one strain, and while it's suspecting of having more than one species, these are reported to most probably belong to other Genus. At least one "super strain" is suspected since it occasionally is not irradicated during a heat treatment until the temperature reaches near 90 o, quite possibly as a result of dealers improperly medicating this disease, promoting this more resistant strain. Fortunately, it's not very often encountered. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > It probably should be "Ich" which is short for Ichthyophthirius (which is > the Genus for several species of this protozoan parasite)... at least when I > refer to it, I try to at least spell it as "Ich" instead of "Ick" but the > "Ich" would be pronounced the same as "Ick" since the first syllable of > Ichthyophthirius, like Ichthyology is pronounced as "Ick". The word "Ich" > is actually the German spelling for "I" and is pronounced with a rolling > "ch" at the end.. like you would be saying it while clearing your throat... > at least I think that's how Frau Ching taught me back in high school... yes, > my German teacher was Chinese. ;-) There are various medicines available > and some of them spell it as Ick-Away, Rid-Ick, Cure-Ick or something like > that so I think that's where the "Ick" short-cut spelling is derived. > > Here's a couple of detailed articles about this fish parasite. > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > I'm intrigued > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are > you > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are > you > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > hillstream > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > tropical > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet > > > smart that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > > > loches and my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > ended up > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick > > > > them > > > off, > > > > won't do that again! > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > When I go > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > > works > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure > > > > the > > > sick > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > whatever > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > though, and > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get > > > > the other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). > I now > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > sick ones > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because > > > > I really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because > > > > > I moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the > > > > > two upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > have taken > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first > before > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > angel fish. > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > angels in a > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left > that > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > > definitely > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that > > > > > > store, > > > > > make sure > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > buy from > > > > > a store > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > > selling them > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten > > > > > > with > > > > > plants but > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider > them a > > > > > natural > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > > and the > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most > > > > > > catfish > > > are more > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active > > > > > > at > > > > > night and > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > see one > > > > > that i > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows > > > > > > what > > > it look > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > ensure i > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > into the > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at > > > > > > the > > > tank at > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have > > > > > > I > > > seen any > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > > last night > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up > in our > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years > > > > > > > while > > > trying > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > > else but I > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time > > > > > > > I've > > > ever > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > > aquarium > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > > though and > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > seems you'd > > > > > see > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > haven't > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e>> > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are > most > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > > black so > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > clean-up crew > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this > is what > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as > > > > > > > they > > > live > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > > rooted > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > was in the > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > harmless but > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > reason I > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > > constantly > > > > > > have > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > the gravel > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > keep that > > > > > tank > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in > > > > > > > other > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the > glass? > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > > them on > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but > > > > > > > you > > > would > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > just be > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots > as they > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > then it > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > that first > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > > tank is > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > dot type > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > upward with > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > substrate or > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > > links to > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36827	From: Gregg	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: HSUS

Unfortunately, it has become widely known that the USHS has been co-opted by PETA. They work as one now. Support the ASPCA, your local shlters and rescues instead. -- Gregg Bender [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36828	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

That's a big tank; must be hard to clean. I bet that's more the direction where your problem lies. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > 125 gallon tank, lemme count what I have, LOL. > 6 sewellia lineolata loaches > 1 gold severum about 3 1/2 inches in size > 2 angel fish about 3 inches with fins > 6 glo-fish danio's > 1 dwarf gourami > 4 flame tetras > 4 platy's, need to get another female though as I have a 2/2 ratio on > males to females and I want more females so they get chased less > 7 guppies, 4 females 3 males > > okay I think I got everyone, LOL. > Most of the fish are small, but the bigger fish are pigs and if I don't > give them enough they will eat all the other food that the little fish > go for, and chase them away, so I try to feed them on one side of the > tank and the little fish on the other, so far it works okay. > > Amber > > gail wrote: >> >> How many do you have in your tank? And how many gallons? >> Mine is a 55 gallon with 20 fish. Maybe twice a day may be a bit much, >> but for now I am cutting back on the shrimp pellets and all food in >> general. >> >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:53 PM >> >> Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging >> >> that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the >> >> tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but >> >> randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to >> >> rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. >> >> After all I like variety ;) LOL >> >> Amber >> >> gail wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you >> >> > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all >> >> > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad >> >> > sometimes. lol >> >> > >> >> > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net >> >> > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> wrote: >> >> > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net >> >> > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> >> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife >> %40yahoogroups. com> >> >> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM >> >> > >> >> > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps >> >> > me put >> >> > >> >> > back the extra food, LOL! >> >> > >> >> > _____ >> >> > >> >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> >> > com] On >> >> > >> >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM >> >> > >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it >> > becomes >> >> > >> >> > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size >> >> > >> >> > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no >> >> > >> >> > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make >> >> > >> >> > movement rather effortless. >> >> > >> >> > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with >> no ill >> >> > >> >> > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to >> keep an >> >> > >> >> > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not >> > bloated. >> >> > >> >> > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it >> does >> >> > >> >> > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to >> >> > slowly >> >> > >> >> > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready to >> >> > >> >> > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine >> >> > will >> >> > >> >> > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many >> others have >> >> > >> >> > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. >> >> > >> >> > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much to >> >> > >> >> > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed >> them. >> >> > >> >> > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. >> >> > >> >> > On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% 40gmail.com> >> >> > com> >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 weeks if i >> >> > >> >> > > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over >> >> > >> >> > > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving them" >> >> > >> >> > > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like >> >> > >> >> > > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been trying >> > > to >> >> > >> >> > > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to much >> >> > >> >> > > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ >> >> > >> >> > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> >> >> > >> >> > yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > >> >> > >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more >> >> > articles >> >> > >> >> > > and >> >> > >> >> > > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and >> > > > for >> >> > >> >> > all. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Thanks again! >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >> >> > >> >> > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. >> >> > >> >> > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >> >> > yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> >> >> > >> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to >> >> > >> >> > monitor >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever >> your >> >> > >> >> > dip >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color >> but the >> >> > >> >> > > chart >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The >> Bio-Wheel >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying >> bacteria as >> >> > >> >> > > your >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make >> >> > sure it >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as it's >> >> > >> >> > > spinning >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > a little, it will still work. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae >> blooms >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water >> so the >> >> > >> >> > > algae >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your >> fish. That >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most >> chemical >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor >> product. I >> >> > >> >> > > use >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water >> >> > Dechlorinator. >> >> > >> >> > > . >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No >> >> > >> >> > > stress-this >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy >> >> > chemical >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are >> doing and >> >> > >> >> > > how >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes >> >> > >> >> > health. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE online >> >> > fish >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or >> both of >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the >> > > > basics >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical >> >> > >> >> > > Filtration >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running full >> >> > time. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high >> >> > quality >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave >> it as >> >> > >> >> > it >> >> > >> >> > > is >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every >> couple >> >> > >> >> > of >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water >> >> > again). >> >> > >> >> > > I >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same >> >> > >> >> > > cartridge >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes >> >> > lots of >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon >> > > > and >> >> > >> >> > > added >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that >> >> > flimsy >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too >> > > > often >> >> > >> >> > with >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under stocked >> > > > or >> >> > >> >> > > small >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > FILTRATION: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't >> >> > doing >> >> > >> >> > > its >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take >> >> > >> >> > > organics >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = >> >> > really >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > aren't a problem.) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) >> > > > but >> >> > >> >> > also >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the >> >> > water >> >> > >> >> > > in >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = >> >> > clean >> >> > >> >> > > the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, >> every >> >> > >> >> > > third >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > day....... >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be >> > > > cleaned. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Why not the fishes' also. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > :-) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Bill >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> > >> >> > blogspot. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> >> > right >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> >> > >> >> > Month) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> yahoogroups. >> >> > >> >> > > com] >> >> > >> >> > > > On >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Behalf Of gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. :D I >> >> > read >> >> > >> >> > > your >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I >> have >> >> > >> >> > > found >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my >> >> > horrid >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been able to >> >> > help. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my water >> >> > has a >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went >> wrong: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the >> same >> >> > >> >> > > with >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > my (now dead) bio wheel >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I >> >> > really >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > So, for you I have Two questions: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is >> about >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > 6+wks old. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my >> > > > filter >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years >> since >> >> > >> >> > > I've >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining >> filter >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The >> >> > instructions on >> >> > >> >> > > the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they >> can sell >> >> > >> >> > > you >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, >> >> > if you >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel would >> >> > still >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will >> also be >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB >> >> > systems that >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter >> >> > >> >> > > cartridge, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning >> >> > ammonia and >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the >> fish.. or >> >> > >> >> > > might >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a >> >> > >> >> > cartridge >> >> > >> >> > > on >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the >> > > > good >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap >> >> > water or >> >> > >> >> > > too >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least >> spinning a >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the >> > > > wheel >> >> > >> >> > > spins >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be >> >> > slowing down >> >> > >> >> > > due >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. >> >> > >> >> > Whenever >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, >> > > > just >> >> > >> >> > > float >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I >> > > > hope >> >> > >> >> > > you've >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have >> >> > the dip >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under >> $20.00 >> >> > >> >> > > for >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with >> free >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in >> > > > this >> >> > >> >> > > price >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > range but not with the free shipping option. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> > >> >> > blogspot. com (Links >> >> > >> >> > > to any articles >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically >> >> > >> >> > > under >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> yahoogroups. >> >> > >> >> > > com] >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the >> > > > impression >> >> > >> >> > that >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 weeks. >> >> > >> >> > Often >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer >> >> > in the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As >> >> > for the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part >> >> > just been >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. >> I do >> >> > >> >> > > this >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the vaccum >> >> > part. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Thanks & best Regards, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Gail Johnson >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & Cleaning". >> >> > Your >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to ever >> > > > be >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the cartridge >> >> > >> >> > every >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you >> >> > >> >> > cleaning >> >> > >> >> > > or >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have >> >> > on your >> >> > >> >> > > 55G >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tank? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say >> what the >> >> > >> >> > > actual >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter >> Profile" >> >> > >> >> > > blog >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on >> mine) and >> >> > >> >> > the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also >> make >> >> > >> >> > > sure >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed >> >> > >> >> > > together, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these >> white >> >> > >> >> > > discs >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel >> will not >> >> > >> >> > > spin >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your bio-wheel >> >> > >> >> > paper >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) >> >> > and use >> >> > >> >> > > it >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also >> > > > use >> >> > >> >> > this >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else >> > > > for >> >> > >> >> > that >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tank. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing >> >> > enough >> >> > >> >> > > tank >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel >> >> > weekly to >> >> > >> >> > > suck >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter >> >> > maintenance on >> >> > >> >> > > one >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further >> helps >> >> > >> >> > > keep >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> > >> >> > blogspot. com (Links >> >> > >> >> > > to any articles >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically >> >> > >> >> > > under >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> yahoogroups. >> >> > >> >> > > com] >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a >> water >> >> > >> >> > > change >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do >> know that >> >> > >> >> > > the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is >> >> > >> >> > > generally >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my >> > > > tap >> >> > >> >> > > water >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I >> >> > am just >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > getting use to them. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a >> >> > contributing >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another >> >> > >> >> > > question; >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a >> >> > while my >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the >> >> > lip of >> >> > >> >> > > my >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any >> >> > advice on >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter >> >> > system >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > instead. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > -gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper >> >> > stocking, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% >> >> > PWC's is >> >> > >> >> > > the >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > best thing you can do for your fish. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive >> nitrogenous >> >> > >> >> > or >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your >> water >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any >> >> > other >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > tests you may have? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. >> Do a >> >> > >> >> > tap >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from >> your >> >> > >> >> > > tap... >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, >> >> > have you >> >> > >> >> > > been >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water >> >> > >> >> > > baseline >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. >> >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> >> >> > >> >> > blogspot. com (Links >> >> > >> >> > > to any articles >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically >> >> > >> >> > > under >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >> yahoogroups. >> >> > >> >> > > com] >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > On Behalf Of gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the cloudiness >> >> > >> >> > after >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water >> clarifier" >> >> > >> >> > > from >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance >> would >> >> > >> >> > > make >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae >> starts >> >> > >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. >> > > > And >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > occasionally you can see my fish. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Sad, huh? >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. >> so I am >> >> > >> >> > > just >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this mess and >> >> > >> >> > > dealing >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of chemicals or >> >> > >> >> > > miracle >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > cures. >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > thanks, >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > Gail >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36829	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids?

Thanks again for the link and the helpful info. I still like this one. But I don't think he'd work out so well in my current Cichlid tank. Maybe some day down the road, i may get one. But for now, he's not for me. Thanks again -gail --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:13 PM Remember to do LOTS of research on fish before buying them.. and cichlids might even require more than most others. Just because they share the common name "cichlid" does not mean they make compatible tank mates. They will often have a HUGE difference in their water parameter needs and habitats. Some are relatively peaceful and others are extremely aggressive. Here is Badman's profile on the Geophagus Surinamensis. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile97. html You'll quickly see they grow to 12" and need a 75G+ sized tank, they are from South America and prefer softer water... compared to your other cichlid that comes from Lake Tanganyika in Africa and needs very hard water with a high pH.... so luckily for you and the fish, they didn't have them in stock. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:23 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone have experience with Surinamen Geophagus Cichlids? Surinamen Geophagus see the following images: http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ species-gallery/ cichlids/ surinamensis. html I am curious about this one. And I am tempted to get one. Too bad he's not in stock at the place I found online. -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36830	From: David Keymel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")

I don't honestly mind cleaning the filter out a few times a week. but they get food 2 x a day, and probably to much by estimate of how much ends up in the actual filter. I took the filter out after a feeding yesterday. the water was clear and the filter was littered with food bits. My main concern is that cleaning the filter to much harms the bacteria in it and thus can cause other issues. It needs a good scrubbing to get it clean enough for water to pass through it, and not back flush through the entry spout. --Dave On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Remember in all this feeding talk... for fry and juvi fish, they need to eat > many times a day as the metabolisms of their growing bodies are much higher > than a full grown adult. If one was to only feed fry or juvi fish once a > day or less, those fish will likely be stunted due to malnourishment... or > they could even start cannibalizing their brethren... Darwin's survival of > the fittest. > > Most of the fish we buy are still juvi's and have a lot of growing to do > before they become full sized adults. I feed juvi fish at least three times > a day or more depending on the fishes age or estimated age since we often do > not know. They only need a small amount of food because they are so small > but that food will not last long due to their increased metabolism so they > just need to be fed small amounts much more often. > > Lets compare this to a newborn or infant child. Would you only feed your > baby once a day so you don't have to change their diaper as often? I think > some of this "advice" was promulgated way back before we knew much about the > nitrogen cycle, filtration, PWC's, stunting, etc. What the "advisors" knew > is that if they fed the fish too much, the water would get fouled and the > fish would die, unless they did frequent PWC's... so the solution for some > was to not feed the fish as often. Of course, they couldn't hear the > crying, screaming, hungry baby fish. It would be nice if we could get away > with it a child but that screaming baby will not let us get away with it... > at least not for very long. I think most folks feed their newborn children > every couple of hours. As the child grows, the time between feedings get a > little longer until we are on a three meals a day type schedule and then > once we are adults and our metabolisms slow down even more, many cut back to > two meals a day... and then dip into eating more snacks. ;-) > > Yes... all of this means more PWC's and filter maintenance for tanks with > younger fish but it's the nature of raising a baby (fish) just like raising > a child and constantly changing their diapers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging that > they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank > though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly I will > feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food types > so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > After all I like variety ;) LOL > > Amber > > gail wrote: >> >> Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you >> know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all >> begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad >> sometimes. lol >> >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: >> From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM >> >> I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps >> me put >> >> back the extra food, LOL! >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On >> >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM >> >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it >> becomes >> >> easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size >> >> difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no >> >> calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make >> >> movement rather effortless. >> >> They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no >> ill >> >> effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to >> keep an >> >> eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. >> >> As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it >> does >> >> not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to >> slowly >> >> add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready >> to >> >> eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine >> will >> >> hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others >> have >> >> more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. >> >> Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much >> to >> >> feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. >> >> Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36831	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")

That's good that you clean your filter often. If your filter is sucking up a lot of uneaten food, it could mean you are overfeeding but it could also mean that the fish aren't getting to it in time. Try unplugging the filter for a couple of minutes at feeding time and then see how the fish do on the amount of food you were feeding. If they aren't able to consume all of the food within a few minutes, then you were overfeeding. If they are able to consume it all in a few minutes, then that would be OK and it could just mean that you will have to either reconfigure your filter location or feed the fish on the opposite corner of the tank or you may have to turn the filter off for a few minutes at feeding time. What size tank and what brand/model filter system do you have? I could probably give you some DIY tips on improving the filters efficiency.... especially the design where the water wants to overflow back through the overflow area near many intake tubes on HOB's. I've used a couple of DIY methods to stop this overflow but there's a reason for the overflow so that it flows back into your tank rather than out the back of the filter reservoir. This usually means that you have to make sure that your filter is canted forward a little and this is can usually be adjusted by a tab that is on the bottom of the motor or reservoir of some HOB's... others may need a DIY solution to make the HOB lean forward a little. I have a blog article "Filter Profile - Penguin Bio-Wheel 200" that shows how I take a piece of floss pad and roll it up like a short cigar and put it into the overflow cut out so that the water will at least have to overflow the cartridge if the filter ever clogs up before I do filter maintenance. This at least keeps the Bio-Wheel spinning so that the nitrifying bacteria stay alive. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers") I don't honestly mind cleaning the filter out a few times a week. but they get food 2 x a day, and probably to much by estimate of how much ends up in the actual filter. I took the filter out after a feeding yesterday. the water was clear and the filter was littered with food bits. My main concern is that cleaning the filter to much harms the bacteria in it and thus can cause other issues. It needs a good scrubbing to get it clean enough for water to pass through it, and not back flush through the entry spout. --Dave On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Remember in all this feeding talk... for fry and juvi fish, they need > to eat many times a day as the metabolisms of their growing bodies are > much higher than a full grown adult. If one was to only feed fry or > juvi fish once a day or less, those fish will likely be stunted due to > malnourishment... or they could even start cannibalizing their > brethren... Darwin's survival of the fittest. > > Most of the fish we buy are still juvi's and have a lot of growing to > do before they become full sized adults. I feed juvi fish at least > three times a day or more depending on the fishes age or estimated age > since we often do not know. They only need a small amount of food > because they are so small but that food will not last long due to > their increased metabolism so they just need to be fed small amounts much more often. > > Lets compare this to a newborn or infant child. Would you only feed > your baby once a day so you don't have to change their diaper as > often? I think some of this "advice" was promulgated way back before > we knew much about the nitrogen cycle, filtration, PWC's, stunting, > etc. What the "advisors" knew is that if they fed the fish too much, > the water would get fouled and the fish would die, unless they did > frequent PWC's... so the solution for some was to not feed the fish as > often. Of course, they couldn't hear the crying, screaming, hungry > baby fish. It would be nice if we could get away with it a child but that screaming baby will not let us get away with it... > at least not for very long. I think most folks feed their newborn > children every couple of hours. As the child grows, the time between > feedings get a little longer until we are on a three meals a day type > schedule and then once we are adults and our metabolisms slow down > even more, many cut back to two meals a day... and then dip into > eating more snacks. ;-) > > Yes... all of this means more PWC's and filter maintenance for tanks > with younger fish but it's the nature of raising a baby (fish) just > like raising a child and constantly changing their diapers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging > that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to > the tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but > randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to > rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > After all I like variety ;) LOL > > Amber > > gail wrote: >> >> Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you >> know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all >> begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad >> sometimes. lol >> >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> wrote: >> From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... >> <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM >> >> I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps >> me put >> >> back the extra food, LOL! >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On >> >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM >> >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" >> >> Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it >> becomes >> >> easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size >> >> difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no >> >> calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make >> >> movement rather effortless. >> >> They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no >> ill >> >> effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to >> keep an >> >> eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. >> >> As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it >> does >> >> not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to >> slowly >> >> add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready >> to >> >> eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when >> famine will >> >> hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others >> have >> >> more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. >> >> Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much >> to >> >> feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. >> >> Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. >> > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36832	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers")

Hmmm... I think the youngest fish I have are my BPs and my molly and a few of my Tiger Barbs and a Gourami. The rest are pretty mature. So I just go easy on the food. I think I will still do 2 times daily; but I will just not get too hasty. --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Now about feeding (was: beware of water "clarifiers") To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 8:44 PM Remember in all this feeding talk... for fry and juvi fish, they need to eat many times a day as the metabolisms of their growing bodies are much higher than a full grown adult. If one was to only feed fry or juvi fish once a day or less, those fish will likely be stunted due to malnourishment. .. or they could even start cannibalizing their brethren... Darwin's survival of the fittest. Most of the fish we buy are still juvi's and have a lot of growing to do before they become full sized adults. I feed juvi fish at least three times a day or more depending on the fishes age or estimated age since we often do not know. They only need a small amount of food because they are so small but that food will not last long due to their increased metabolism so they just need to be fed small amounts much more often. Lets compare this to a newborn or infant child. Would you only feed your baby once a day so you don't have to change their diaper as often? I think some of this "advice" was promulgated way back before we knew much about the nitrogen cycle, filtration, PWC's, stunting, etc. What the "advisors" knew is that if they fed the fish too much, the water would get fouled and the fish would die, unless they did frequent PWC's... so the solution for some was to not feed the fish as often. Of course, they couldn't hear the crying, screaming, hungry baby fish. It would be nice if we could get away with it a child but that screaming baby will not let us get away with it... at least not for very long. I think most folks feed their newborn children every couple of hours. As the child grows, the time between feedings get a little longer until we are on a three meals a day type schedule and then once we are adults and our metabolisms slow down even more, many cut back to two meals a day... and then dip into eating more snacks. ;-) Yes... all of this means more PWC's and filter maintenance for tanks with younger fish but it's the nature of raising a baby (fish) just like raising a child and constantly changing their diapers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:53 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. After all I like variety ;) LOL Amber gail wrote: > > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > sometimes. lol > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> wrote: > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > me put > > back the extra food, LOL! > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it > becomes > > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > > movement rather effortless. > > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with no > ill > > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to > keep an > > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not bloated. > > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it > does > > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > slowly > > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear ready > to > > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when famine > will > > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many others > have > > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how much > to > > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed them. > > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36833	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Help me find the name of this cichlid

I think you are correct. I have consulted with Lenny on this species... maybe not the right one for me right now. Tho- he is georgous!!! I think I will keep him in my hopes for the future. - maybe for my bigger tank. My Cichlid tank is only a 20 gallon right now. My community tank is only a 55 --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Help me find the name of this cichlid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:21 PM Gail, You let the price get ahead of you. The fish appears to be _Geophagus surinamensis_ or the redstriped eartheater. I can't think of a reason for the pricing, unless it is a large fish--these guys can get to around 12", so you would need a large tank for them as well. Check AquaBid to see if any are offered there, if you have enough room for them. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Help me find the name of this cichlid > > So I visited the fish that I want really bad. But he's actually $40. OUCH. > But for the life of me I cannot remember the genus & species name :( > go to this link to see the picture I took of him (forgive me I am still figuring out how to post > photos on the group page) > >  http://i39.tinypic com/9prvjr. jpg > > Or does anyone have a suggestion of a good site where I can purchase this fish at a better > rate?? > > Thanks in advance! > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36834	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599&sid=2dc58c9a427cffb4f70868cd88ea3bda That should give you enough info to understand what it is. Amber Jasmine wrote: > > I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > I'm intrigued > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are > you > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are > you > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > hillstream > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > tropical > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > ended up > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them > > > off, > > > > won't do that again! > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > When I go > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > > works > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the > > > sick > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > whatever > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > though, and > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). > I now > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > sick ones > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > have taken > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first > before > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > angel fish. > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > angels in a > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left > that > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > > definitely > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > > > > make sure > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > buy from > > > > > a store > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > > selling them > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > > > > plants but > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider > them a > > > > > natural > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > > and the > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish > > > are more > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > > > > night and > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > see one > > > > > that i > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what > > > it look > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > ensure i > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > into the > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the > > > tank at > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I > > > seen any > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > > last night > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up > in our > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while > > > trying > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > > else but I > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've > > > ever > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > > aquarium > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > > though and > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > seems you'd > > > > > see > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > haven't > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>>> > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>>> - actually in > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are > most > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > > black so > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > clean-up crew > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this > is what > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they > > > live > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > > rooted > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > was in the > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > harmless but > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > reason I > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > > constantly > > > > > > have > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > the gravel > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > keep that > > > > > tank > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the > glass? > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > > them on > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you > > > would > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > just be > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots > as they > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > then it > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > that first > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > > tank is > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > dot type > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > upward with > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > substrate or > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > > links to > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror > it also > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took > > > it back > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > > harmless and > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't > find any. > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found > 4. Does > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very > > > good > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often > > > the light > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for > > > you. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe > (would have > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular > lights > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have > to have a > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I > have live > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis > > > and other > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > > Although the > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the > plants in > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all > that > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel > in my > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several > clay pots > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose > stalks and > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and > have had > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others > > > over the > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the > most part > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow > right back > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll > > > down to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse > plants, > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top > > > of my > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G > tank > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I > had to > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they > like the > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a > > > chance to > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots > and/or > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to > > > death. > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before > making your > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly > due to > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy > from them, > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can > > > also check > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish > habitat > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: beware of water "clarifiers"

Yes, it's a huge tank, but I love it. It's actually set up as a walstad natural planted tank, which means it has dirt under the gravel for the plants. So I don't gravel vac, but I do hold the vacuum near to the gravel so it pulls debris out of the top layer without bringing up dirt with it. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > That's a big tank; must be hard to clean. I bet that's more the direction > where your problem lies. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:37 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > > > 125 gallon tank, lemme count what I have, LOL. > > 6 sewellia lineolata loaches > > 1 gold severum about 3 1/2 inches in size > > 2 angel fish about 3 inches with fins > > 6 glo-fish danio's > > 1 dwarf gourami > > 4 flame tetras > > 4 platy's, need to get another female though as I have a 2/2 ratio on > > males to females and I want more females so they get chased less > > 7 guppies, 4 females 3 males > > > > okay I think I got everyone, LOL. > > Most of the fish are small, but the bigger fish are pigs and if I don't > > give them enough they will eat all the other food that the little fish > > go for, and chase them away, so I try to feed them on one side of the > > tank and the little fish on the other, so far it works okay. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > >> > >> How many do you have in your tank? And how many gallons? > >> Mine is a 55 gallon with 20 fish. Maybe twice a day may be a bit much, > >> but for now I am cutting back on the shrimp pellets and all food in > >> general. > >> > >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:53 PM > >> > >> Yes, I know how you feel too, it's so hard to resist that cute begging > >> > >> that they do, LOL. Mine will only do it if I stand up right next to the > >> > >> tank though, so it's not so bad ;) I usually feed once a day, but > >> > >> randomly I will feed a 2nd time at the end of the day. I also try to > >> > >> rotate their food types so they aren't always eating the same stuff. > >> > >> After all I like variety ;) LOL > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> gail wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Okay, I am going to cut back on feeding them. It's hard, because you > >> > >> > know how fish are... they know when you get home and they're all > >> > >> > begging at the top of the tank for you to feed them. I feel bad > >> > >> > sometimes. lol > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > >> > >> > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> wrote: > >> > >> > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > >> > >> > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > >> > >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > >> %40yahoogroups. com> > >> > >> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:57 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I always remember their stomach is the size of their eye. That helps > >> > >> > me put > >> > >> > > >> > >> > back the extra food, LOL! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > _____ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. > >> > >> > com] On > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:02 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Once you understand that they do not use food the way you do, it > >> > becomes > >> > >> > > >> > >> > easier to feed them less. First you could not relate on just the size > >> > >> > > >> > >> > difference alone. Add to that, that the water supplies body temp, no > >> > >> > > >> > >> > calories needed. Swim blatters, streamlined slime coated bodies make > >> > >> > > >> > >> > movement rather effortless. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > They often go for long times with nothing to eat in the wild, with > >> no ill > >> > >> > > >> > >> > effect. The trick is to feed just a small amount at a time, and to > >> keep an > >> > >> > > >> > >> > eye on there stomach area. That should be well rounded, but not > >> > bloated. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > As long as the stomach looks this way, you are feeding enough. If it > >> does > >> > >> > > >> > >> > not, and appears to be sunken, you are not feeding enough and need to > >> > >> > slowly > >> > >> > > >> > >> > add more feedings or more food per feeding. They always appear > ready to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > eat, cause that is the way of wild things, they never know when > famine > >> > >> > will > >> > >> > > >> > >> > hit, and want to be ready. At least that is what I think, many > >> others have > >> > >> > > >> > >> > more experience here so I look forward to what they have to say. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Perhaps you could set the food up in envelopes so mom knows how > much to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > feed, Or just tell her they need to wait till you are there to feed > >> them. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Missing a meal is really no big deal for them. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On 1/29/09, David Keymel <azzuron@gmail. <mailto:azzuron% > 40gmail.com> > >> > >> > com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > my filter will block about 90% of water flow after about 2 > weeks if i > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > let it go that long. i have to clean it very often. Its from over > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > feeding i think. I suffer from "To much is better than starving > them" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > syndrome i guess. The way several of my fish eat makes me feel like > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > they are hungry. they are always eager to eat lol. I've been > trying > >> > > to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > dose down the amount they eat, but i think my mom feeds them to > much > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > in the AM because i am not often home in the AM to feed them. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM, gail <clandestine662002@ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > yahoo.com<clandesti ne662002% 40yahoo.com> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thank you so much for your kind wisdom. I will be reading more > >> > >> > articles > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > such on your blog so I can get a handle on this problem once and > >> > > > for > >> > >> > > >> > >> > all. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks again! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> com<GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > >> > >> > yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:56 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > No. You do not need to replace the Bio-Wheel but you will need to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > monitor > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > the ammonia and nitrite levels and post the numbers (or whatever > >> your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > dip > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > sticks and instructions say... usually the sticks say a color > >> but the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > chart > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > translates the color into a range of numbers at least). The > >> Bio-Wheel > >> > >> > > >> > >> > and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > filter floss pad and charcoal will re-grow the nitrifying > >> bacteria as > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tank re-cycles. You may have to fool with the Bio-Wheel to make > >> > >> > sure it > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > spins at least a little. The faster the better but as long as > it's > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > spinning > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > a little, it will still work. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > The "green water" algae is God's way of saving your fish. Algae > >> blooms > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > happen as a result of excessive nitrogenous waste in the water > >> so the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > algae > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > eat the nitrogenous waste which actually helps to save your > >> fish. That > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > clarifier stuff would actually be a bad thing... as are most > >> chemical > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > products that the pet stores try to sell folks. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > All you really need, 99.9% of the time, is a simple dechlor > >> product. I > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > use > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water > >> > >> > Dechlorinator. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > . > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > both the same chemical in slightly different concentrations. No > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > stress-this > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > or slime-that type stuff. No pH adjusting stuff. No other fancy > >> > >> > chemical > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > additives. Unless and until you know more about what you are > >> doing and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > how > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > these various additives affect your tank's ecology and the fishes > >> > >> > > >> > >> > health. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On my A to Z of Fish Keeping page, I have links to two FREE > online > >> > >> > fish > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > keeping tutorials to Badman's and TheKrib's sites. Take one or > >> both of > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > these online tutorials which will walk you through all of the > >> > > > basics > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > including the nitrogen cycle, water chemistry, etc. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Re-read my Filter Cleaning article... the section about Chemical > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Filtration > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > (carbon, etc.). Most tanks do NOT need to have carbon running > full > >> > >> > time. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > The carbon that is in the Marineland filters is at least a high > >> > >> > quality > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > carbon and it's only a very small amount so you can simply leave > >> it as > >> > >> > > >> > >> > it > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > is > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > and just clean that filter cartridge weekly or replace it every > >> couple > >> > >> > > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > weeks (AS LONG as your Bio-Wheel is NEVER rinsed under tap water > >> > >> > again). > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > like to keep my money in my own pockets so I still have the same > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > cartridge > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > that came with my Bio-Wheel system back in 2005. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Also read my "Filter Profile" on the Penguin 200 which includes > >> > >> > lots of > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > photos showing how I modified the cartridge to remove the carbon > >> > > > and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > added > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > more filter pad media to improve mechanical filtration since that > >> > >> > flimsy > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > piece of floss pad on the Marineland cartridge clogged way too > >> > > > often > >> > >> > > >> > >> > with > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > that HOB on my goldfish tank. I guess if it's on an under > stocked > >> > > > or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > small > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tropical fish tank, it may last a week before it gets clogged. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Like my friend, Bill Dowden of Coastal Pond's says... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > FILTRATION: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it > isn't > >> > >> > doing > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > its > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > job and working to get the junk out of the water. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to > take > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > organics > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = > >> > >> > really > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > aren't a problem.) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) > >> > > > but > >> > >> > > >> > >> > also > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the > >> > >> > water > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > in > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water > quality = > >> > >> > clean > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, > >> every > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > third > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > day....... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be > >> > > > cleaned. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' > toilet. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Why not the fishes' also. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > :-) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Bill > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > >> > >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > blogspot. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > >> > >> > right > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Month) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > >> yahoogroups. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > com] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Behalf Of gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:14 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Oh Lenny, you are going to be my new BF. Or at least my hero. > :D I > >> > >> > read > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > article on cleaning filter systems, and filter cartridge info. I > >> have > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > found > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > that I am making several mistakes. :( I have been encouraging my > >> > >> > horrid > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > algae growth and none of the genius' at Petsmart have been > able to > >> > >> > help. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > They only told me that: I destroyed my biological filter, my > water > >> > >> > has a > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > high alkalinity, etc. useless drivel. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I blamed the product "clarifier". However, here is where I went > >> wrong: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I spray my filter media with tap water to rinse it out I did the > >> same > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > with > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > my (now dead) bio wheel > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > cast me back into the "Newbie Pond" for all that!! Good lord!! I > >> > >> > really > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > suck! No wonder I have a 50 gallon Green Tank of doom. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > So, for you I have Two questions: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 1 - Do I need to replace my bio wheel? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 2- Do I need to refill the carbon in my media? the cartridge is > >> about > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 6+wks old. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:51 AM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I also have the Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel as one of my > >> > > > filter > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > systems. I'll be honest and say it's been more than a few years > >> since > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I've > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > purchased a filter for it but I do still have the two remaining > >> filter > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > cartridges that came with the 3-pack that I bought. The > >> > >> > instructions on > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > package says to change them every 2-4 weeks... why??? so they > >> can sell > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > you > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > lifetime supply of filter cartridges. At least with a Bio-Wheel, > >> > >> > if you > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > choose to trash the cartridge every 2-4 weeks, the Bio-Wheel > would > >> > >> > still > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > keep the N-bacteria alive, although a lot of the bacteria will > >> also be > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > living in the filter media of the cartridge. With other HOB > >> > >> > systems that > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > only have a single cartridge, when those folks trash their filter > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > cartridge, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > it puts their tank into a new mini-cycle each time.. meaning > >> > >> > ammonia and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > nitrite mini-spikes which affect the long term health of the > >> fish.. or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > might > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > even kill sensitive or low-immune system fish. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > The good thing, as mentioned above, is if you did super-clean a > >> > >> > > >> > >> > cartridge > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > on > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > a Bio-Wheel system, at least the Bio-Wheel is still full of the > >> > > > good > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > nitrifying bacteria (as long as you didn't run it under hot tap > >> > >> > water or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > too > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > long under cold tap water)... and as long as it's at least > >> spinning a > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > little. I know on mine, when I first do maintenance on it, the > >> > > > wheel > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > spins > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > like a top but then by the end of a week or two, it will be > >> > >> > slowing down > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > due > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > to biofilm, algae, etc., on the cartridge and/or on the holders. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Whenever > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > you do remove the Bio-Wheel system from your tank for cleaning, > >> > > > just > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > float > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > the actual bio-wheel in your tank while you do your cleaning. I > >> > > > hope > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > you've > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > read over my long article on filter cleaning by now. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > What brand test kit do you have? I think you mentioned you have > >> > >> > the dip > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > sticks. When those run out, get a decent master test kit (under > >> $20.00 > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > for > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > either the API or Tetratest-Laborette brands on Walmart.com with > >> free > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > shipping to your local Wal-Mart.) Other sites also have them in > >> > > > this > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > price > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > range but not with the free shipping option. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > >> > >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > blogspot. com (Links > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > to any articles > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > >> alphabetically > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > under > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > >> yahoogroups. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > com] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Behalf Of gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Okay, so throw me into the "newbie" pond. I was under the > >> > > > impression > >> > >> > > >> > >> > that > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > you should change out your filter cartridge at least every 6 > weeks. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Often > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > times I will clean my filter (spray it thoroughly with the prayer > >> > >> > in the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > kitchen sink) and clean my whole filter system (Penguin 200). As > >> > >> > for the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > water testing; I am new at that also. I have for the most part > >> > >> > just been > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > doing weekly PWCs. And I scrub algae off the glass, vaccum, etc. > >> I do > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > this > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > about weekly. I will admit that I have been slacking on the > vaccum > >> > >> > part. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks & best Regards, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Gail Johnson > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:59 AM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Read the article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance & > Cleaning". > >> > >> > Your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > filter may need to be cleaned more often. It doesn't have to > ever > >> > > > be > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > replaced unless you'd rather spend money on replacing the > cartridge > >> > >> > > >> > >> > every > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > week or two instead of cleaning it. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > What do you mean by "due for a filter change"? How often are you > >> > >> > > >> > >> > cleaning > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > replacing the filter cartridge? What model bio-wheel do you have > >> > >> > on your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > 55G > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tank? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > When you say "nitrates are in safe level", does your kit say > >> what the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > actual > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > numbers are? Do you have ammonia and nitrite test results also? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > As far as the bio-wheel spinning. I have one (see the "Filter > >> Profile" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > blog > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > article where I show how I modified the filter cartridge on > >> mine) and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > little holders should be cleaned out on a regular basis and also > >> make > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > sure > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > the white round discs on each end of the paper filter are pushed > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > together, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > holding the pleated paper filter properly. I've seen where these > >> white > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > discs > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > separate a little on the white spindle and then the bio-wheel > >> will not > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > spin > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > correctly. It could also be due to algae build-up on your > bio-wheel > >> > >> > > >> > >> > paper > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > filter itself. You can take a soft bristle toothbrush (new one) > >> > >> > and use > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > it > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > to clean the pleated filter of any slimy algae build-up and also > >> > > > use > >> > >> > > >> > >> > this > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > toothbrush on other parts of the filter system and anything else > >> > > > for > >> > >> > > >> > >> > that > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tank. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Yes, it sounds like you are either feeding too much or not doing > >> > >> > enough > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > tank > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > maintenance. I feed my fish well but I also vacuum the gravel > >> > >> > weekly to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > suck > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > up all the detritus in the gravel and I do weekly filter > >> > >> > maintenance on > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > one > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > of my two filter systems. I also have live plants which further > >> helps > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > keep > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > down the nutrient levels (nitrogenous and phosphorous) . > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > >> > >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > blogspot. com (Links > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > to any articles > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > >> alphabetically > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > under > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > >> yahoogroups. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > com] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Behalf Of gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:32 AM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Funny you ask, I did check my water last night. I was due for a > >> water > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > change > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > anyways. But my Nitrates were within "safe" perameters. I do > >> know that > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > water here is very hard and has high alkalinity. My water temp is > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > generally > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 72 - 78 degrees.I will see if I can get a baseline reading on my > >> > > > tap > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > water > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > in the meantime. But the PH strips I have are pretty basic and I > >> > >> > am just > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > getting use to them. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Do you think my problem is overfeeding? Maybe this can be a > >> > >> > contributing > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > factor. And I am due for a filter change. Except, here is another > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > question; > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I have a Penguin with a bio-wheel, and for some reason after a > >> > >> > while my > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > bio-wheel doesn't turn any more. And I get Algae growing off the > >> > >> > lip of > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > my > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > filter stem where it water falls into the tank.What gives? Any > >> > >> > advice on > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > that matter. Or maybe I should just upgrade to a canister filter > >> > >> > system > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > instead. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > any suggestions are SO appreciated :) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:49 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > That's because there are NO chemicals or miracle cures. Proper > >> > >> > stocking, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tank and filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming with frequent 25% > >> > >> > PWC's is > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > best thing you can do for your fish. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Green water algae blooms are usually a result of excessive > >> nitrogenous > >> > >> > > >> > >> > or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > phosphorous waste in the water feeding the algae. What are your > >> water > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and any > >> > >> > other > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > tests you may have? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel each time. > >> Do a > >> > >> > > >> > >> > tap > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > water baseline test to see if you are getting high nitrates from > >> your > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > tap... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > or other nitrogenous compounds like ammonia or nitrites. Also, > >> > >> > have you > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > been > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > doing proper filter maintenance? I have articles on the tap water > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > baseline > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > and filter maintenance on my blog for more details. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny. > >> > >> > <http://goldlenny. /> /> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > blogspot. com (Links > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > to any articles > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > >> alphabetically > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > under > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > >> yahoogroups. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > com] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Behalf Of gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] beware of water "clarifiers" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Just a warning for my fellow fish lovers. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I got impatient with my 55 gallon bowfront tank, and the > cloudiness > >> > >> > > >> > >> > after > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > cleaning with the gravel vac. I started to use some "water > >> clarifier" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > from > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Petsmart. No good! My tank is now Green & cloudy. This substance > >> would > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > make > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > a white cloud within the cloudy tank water - then all the Algae > >> starts > >> > >> > > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > stick to it!! Thus, I have a beautiful Green 55 gallon bowfront. > >> > > > And > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > occasionally you can see my fish. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Sad, huh? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I have tried taking all but 15% of the water out. Didn't work. > >> so I am > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > just > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > doing weekly partial water changes to eleviate the problem. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I am open to any other suggestions. But I think after this > mess and > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > dealing > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > with flukes and what not; I am going to steer clear of > chemicals or > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > miracle > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > cures. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > thanks, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Gail > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Food sent with an aquabid fish order

Okay when I opened my Hillstream Loach box (sewellia lineolata's) I noticed that the shipper had also sent some food along with them. Well I've emailed him and I'm still waiting for him to respond, so I thought I'd see if anyone out there has this kind of food. It is in powder form and is a nice dark orange color. I'm guessing maybe it's powdered brine shrimp, but not sure. I can take a picture if someone wants me to, LOL. I'm just wondering how I use it, do I just pour it into the tank or should I mix it with water first? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36837	From: N Taweel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

You're right, it's a leopard Zebra Danio, I searched for images in Google and saw one just like mine, only mine is long finned. Thanks for the info :) Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36838	From: jett07002	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet

Hi Myron. Speaking of one of my favorite fish. I had Discus for quite a few years and I fed them Hikari's Discus Pellets ( they love them ) and every once in a while some really fine chopped meat ---very little. Have to have patience, only feed a few pieces, when they're slowing down stop feeding. Leave chop meat in the tank and water will foul up: FAST! Siphon out what may sink to the bottom. Mine would eat right out of my hand. Had better control of it that way. Well rinsed blood worms - I know a lot of people preach against it, but I like to use the live stuff. Frozen is OK, too. I will not use tubiflex worms live, dry, frozen or dry freeze. Too many problems. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "myronbarefoot" <bluemoon331@...> wrote: > > Hi, I was wondering what some of the discus keepers out ther were > feeding their discuss? My base food is cichlid delight (frozen San > francisco bay product)with blood worms etc. but I know there are > pellets etc. out there and I'm looking at good quality diet as well as > price. Also, I like this forum very much but was wondering if there > are others you might recomend.Thanks, > Myron >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36839	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

It's not a Zebra Danio of any kind. It's a Leopard Danio -- an entirely different, but closely related, and very similar species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > You're right, it's a leopard Zebra Danio, I searched for images in Google and saw one just like mine, only mine is long finned. > Thanks for the info :) > Noura > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36840	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet

Hikari Discus Pellets are a very good food, but they should be supplemented with a variety of other foods to ensure best nutrition for the fish. Discus Pellets of themselves are not a completely well- rounded diet, besides which, like any other dry food it will lose most of its vitamin content within 2 months if its not all fed by that time (refrigeration will somewhat prolong these vitamins). Blood worms are one of the best foods you can give the fish, and Hikari's packaging of them is about the best quality of this food as you can find. There's really no need to feed the fish live blood worms, even though they're excellent. It would appear that Hikari flash-freezes this food as they're as fresh as the live form, immediately after being thawed out. Besides bloodworms being an excellent source of protein, they're high in HUFA (Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids) -- Omega 3 and Omega 6. Frozen (thawed) Mysis Shrimp (again, by Hikari) is another good food you can feed these Discus. Besides, its nutrition, its rich in natural carotene -- and will bring out the color in these fish. Chop meat, unless extremely lean, should not be given to Discus, or to any other fish for that matter. Fish cannot digest mammal fat. Lean beefheart, when bought frozen for fish consumption) may occasionally be fed to these fish, as just about all the fat has been removed during processing; its an excellent source of protein. Nothing wrong with feeding the Discus live Daphnia, especially one of the larger species such as D. pulex or D. magna, so that they'll still consider it worth going after. Whenever possible, it's best to offer Discus a food that doesn't sink too fast as they prefer eating mid-water. A live food such as this is always in front of . Any other foods (frozen and dry) must be fed more slowly to give them time to reach most of it before it hits the bottom unless you have bottom fish (Cory's, Loaches, etc.), although they will pick from the bottom -- but not as efficiently. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > > Hi Myron. > Speaking of one of my favorite fish. I had Discus for quite a few > years and I fed them Hikari's Discus Pellets ( they love them ) and > every once in a while some really fine chopped meat ---very little. > Have to have patience, only feed a few pieces, when they're slowing > down stop feeding. Leave chop meat in the tank and water will foul > up: FAST! Siphon out what may sink to the bottom. Mine would eat > right out of my hand. Had better control of it that way. > Well rinsed blood worms - I know a lot of people preach against it, > but I like to use the live stuff. Frozen is OK, too. > I will not use tubiflex worms live, dry, frozen or dry freeze. Too > many problems. > joe t > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "myronbarefoot" <bluemoon331@> > wrote: > > > > Hi, I was wondering what some of the discus keepers out ther were > > feeding their discuss? My base food is cichlid delight (frozen San > > francisco bay product)with blood worms etc. but I know there are > > pellets etc. out there and I'm looking at good quality diet as well as > > price. Also, I like this forum very much but was wondering if there > > are others you might recomend.Thanks, > > Myron > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36841	From: gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>

Okay, honestly I have an itch to get another fish. In my Cichlid tank I currently have the following:    1 Convict (male)     1 Kenyi (male)     1 Red Tail Obliquien     1 5 Bar Tropheus   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36842	From: Gail	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > I am looking for another fun Cichlid to add to the mix. I really liked the looks and color of the Surinam Geophagus "Earth eater." > Okay, honestly I have an itch to get another fish. > > In my Cichlid tank I currently have the following: >    1 Convict (male) >     1 Kenyi (male) >     1 Red Tail Obliquien >     1 5 Bar Tropheus 1 Red jewel 1 Pleco. >   > ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36843	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: I think the heat wave killed my fish

Happy to report that this morning my tank has gone down to a satisfactory 26/27 degrees. This has been achieved by reducing the temp of my heater in the tank, and having  the air con on... Still unfortunatly too late for my beloved dwarf gourami, who i waited ages to get. At least my swords, corys, guppys, khuli loach, and snail have survived. Oh and 3 of my (Was 6) cardenal tetras.   Lisa   Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36844	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Hikari Discus Pellets

I have heard of this food before along with other types in their fish food line up but I can not find a site where it may be purchased.  Anyone have a link?   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36845	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets

I found it under Dr. Fosters and Smith.  No wonder I could not find them easily! Ouch!  What prices!   Bill --- On Fri, 1/30/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Discus Pellets To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:33 PM I have heard of this food before along with other types in their fish food line up but I can not find a site where it may be purchased.  Anyone have a link?   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36846	From: pam andress	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet

If anyone wants the recipe Discus Hans feeds, let me know. I think I still have it from when I got my discus from him. They would not eat until I made some up. It has lean ground beef, cod, shrimp, flake food, human vitamins and more in it. I only made half the recipe and still have some in the freezer. I know someone that makes meatballs out of it and freezes it that way. Hans goes thru 6 lbs of this mixture a day. It is a bit expensive to make up, but at least my discus started eating and I was able to switch them over to a varity of foods that I feed. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: sevenspringss@...: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:42:20 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: discus diet Hikari Discus Pellets are a very good food, but they should be supplemented with a variety of other foods to ensure best nutrition for the fish. Discus Pellets of themselves are not a completely well-rounded diet, besides which, like any other dry food it will lose most of its vitamin content within 2 months if its not all fed by that time (refrigeration will somewhat prolong these vitamins). Blood worms are one of the best foods you can give the fish, and Hikari's packaging of them is about the best quality of this food as you can find. There's really no need to feed the fish live blood worms, even though they're excellent. It would appear that Hikari flash-freezes this food as they're as fresh as the live form, immediately after being thawed out. Besides bloodworms being an excellent source of protein, they're high in HUFA (Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids) -- Omega 3 and Omega 6. Frozen (thawed) Mysis Shrimp (again, by Hikari) is another good food you can feed these Discus. Besides, its nutrition, its rich in natural carotene -- and will bring out the color in these fish.Chop meat, unless extremely lean, should not be given to Discus, or to any other fish for that matter. Fish cannot digest mammal fat. Lean beefheart, when bought frozen for fish consumption) may occasionally be fed to these fish, as just about all the fat has been removed during processing; its an excellent source of protein. Nothing wrong with feeding the Discus live Daphnia, especially one of the larger species such as D. pulex or D. magna, so that they'll still consider it worth going after. Whenever possible, it's best to offer Discus a food that doesn't sink too fast as they prefer eating mid-water. A live food such as this is always in front of . Any other foods (frozen and dry) must be fed more slowly to give them time to reach most of it before it hits the bottom unless you have bottom fish (Cory's, Loaches, etc.), although they will pick from the bottom -- but not as efficiently. Ray--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote:>> > Hi Myron.> Speaking of one of my favorite fish. I had Discus for quite a few> years and I fed them Hikari's Discus Pellets ( they love them ) and> every once in a while some really fine chopped meat ---very little.> Have to have patience, only feed a few pieces, when they're slowing> down stop feeding. Leave chop meat in the tank and water will foul> up: FAST! Siphon out what may sink to the bottom. Mine would eat> right out of my hand. Had better control of it that way.> Well rinsed blood worms - I know a lot of people preach against it,> but I like to use the live stuff. Frozen is OK, too.> I will not use tubiflex worms live, dry, frozen or dry freeze. Too> many problems.> joe t> > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "myronbarefoot" <bluemoon331@>> wrote:> >> > Hi, I was wondering what some of the discus keepers out ther were > > feeding their discuss? My base food is cichlid delight (frozen San > > francisco bay product)with blood worms etc. but I know there are > > pellets etc. out there and I'm looking at good quality diet as well as > > price. Also, I like this forum very much but was wondering if there > > are others you might recomend.Thanks,> > Myron> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware store usually has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did get some pea gravel for only 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted something smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and I've heard bad things about it. Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away with doing something like this below except perhaps painting a ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > plate > of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize > they left their keys in the car... lol) > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and derivatives > (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting > consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is > represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet > rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with > other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, > and so, > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > trick that > may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to > paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let > them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for > biofilm." > (END SNIP) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > gallon > another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was > thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank > cycled > until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and > perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I > will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big > tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > Does this sound like a good idea? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > > world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any > > Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps > > inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36848	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

Ray, While I agreed with you earlier today, after \\Steve// mentioned that some were saying that Brachydanio frankei was actually a variant of B. rerio, rather than a completely different species. I started doing some reading on this earlier and just finished reading a few dozen articles and it seems that B. frankei no longer exists. In fact, if you do a search of "brachydanio frankei" in fish base, it brings you to the Branchydanio rerio (Zebra Danio) profile.... but it seems the Brachydanio genus has been renamed as Danio so Fishbase needs to be updated also... apparently. This 1979 article abstract by J. S. Frankel, found on Google Scholar, http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/4/287 ends by saying, "... it is suggested that the species status of B. frankei be reexamined." This 1999 article abstract (but long one) also found on Google Scholar, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T9H-3XV29G0-9&_us er=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1& _urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e8bdc4f691bfcb4174c6c34aeb1c297a titled "Zebrafish Leopard gene as a component of the putative reaction-diffusion system", which starts off with, "Abstract It has been suggested, on a theoretical basis, that a reaction-diffusion (RD) mechanism underlies pigment pattern formation in animals, but as yet, there is no molecular evidence for the putative mechanism. Mutations in the zebrafish gene, leopard, change the pattern from stripes to spots...." This 1996 article abstract, also found on Google Scholar, titled "Mutations affecting pigmentation and shape of the adult zebrafish" further supports that the leopard dots are just a variant of the zebra danio's stripes. http://www.springerlink.com/content/c593a5c2fbbxpqd7/ And then there is WikiPedia <g> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danionin_species_disambiguation which says, "... Brachydanio frankei, now deemed a subspecies of Danio rerio (Danio rerio var frankei)" after first saying, "... The following genera that previously described certain danionins are no longer valid: Allodanio Brachydanio Danioides Daniops Eustira Parabarilius Paradanio Rambaibarnia All Devario species were formerly in the genus Danio. In addition Devario acuticephala, Devario shanensis and Devario sondhii were also regarded at one time as being in the former genus Brachydanio..." And then another WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danio refers to Danio rerio and Danio rerio var frankei (for the leopard danio). Here's a Practical Fish Keeping article "A fishkeepers guide to danios and devarios" (March 2003) http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 334 which doesn't even mention "B. frankei or D. frankei", except for this comment in the long article, "... Common name: Zebra danio. Scientific name: Danio rerio. Size: About 6cm/2" and quite stocky. Origin: Very common and found in Myanmar, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Notes: This is the most common Danio, along with the Leopard danio. The Leopard, once called Danio frankei, is now considered to be simply a spotted aquarium strain of the Zebra, and does not occur in the wild. Females can get quite big and fat, and the slender fish you buy as babies will treble in size fairly soon." and the article further goes on to be more definitive in this snip... "Danio distributions There are currently about 9 valid species in the genus Danio. This genus currently contains many more undescribed species, and the similarities between many fish mean that identifying them can be difficult. You can view their distributions using the Practical Fishkeeping Fish Mapper application. Danio albolineatus Danio choprai Danio dangila Danio kerri Danio kyathit Danio nigrofasciatus Danio quangbinhensis Danio rerio Danio roseus" (END SNIP) I have not found the actual article(s) that changed the scientific name of B. frankei to B. rerio and then to Danio rerio but it seems to be out there somewhere between these 1979 and 1996/1999 articles. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange Zebra Danio It's not a Zebra Danio of any kind. It's a Leopard Danio -- an entirely different, but closely related, and very similar species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > You're right, it's a leopard Zebra Danio, I searched for images in Google and saw one just like mine, only mine is long finned. > Thanks for the info :) > Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36849	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>

What size tank? What species of Pleco? If a common pleco, they need a minimum of 75G of water for themselves due to their adult size in excess of 18". Red Tail Obliquien - I do not recognize this name and don't see any reference to this name in a Google search. Can you give us more info on where you got this name? Below, you will also see from snips from the profiles/care sheets on each of your fish that clearly shows you have incompatible fish and you will likely have many problems trying to keep this mix of fish. They each come from completely different biotopes with different water parameters and needs. Convict - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cichlasoma_nigrofasciatum.html Habitat: The Convict Cichlid comes from a number of varied biotopes. Central America; from Lake Atitlan and Lake Amatitlan in Guatemala south to Panama. Water chemistry: pH 6.5-8.8 (7.0), dH 4-20 (10), 68-81°F (20-27°C) Social behavior: An aggressive fish despite its size. It is best not to keep an unstable pair in solitude, for the weaker of the mates likely be killed. Try raising a group of fish from youth to get the best pairings. Combine with other similarly sized cichlids. The pairs form nuclear families. The Convict Cichlid is not well suited for the "typical" community tank containing tetras and livebearers. Kennyi - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pseudotropheus_lombardoi.html Habitat: Eastern Africa; found only around the Mbenji Islands in Lake Malawi Water chemistry: pH 7.5-9.0 (8.1), 12-25 dH (16), 73-81°F (23-27°C) Social behavior: The Kennyi is an aggressive cichlid while young. With age the fish become even more belligerent and territorial. Combine the Kennyi with other robust mbunas to distract them from fighting with other of their own species. Keep one male with several females. Tensions are reduced when kept in a large tank with a number of hiding places. 5 Bar Tropheus - I'm not sure where you came up with this name but I'm guessing you meant the Five Bar Cichlid - N. Tretcephalus, that we had talked about in an earlier thread. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Neolamprologus_tretocephalus.html Habitat: Eastern Africa; rocky shore areas of Lake Tanganyika. Water chemistry: pH 7.5-8.2 (7.9), 8-18 dH (12), 75-81°F (24-27°C) Social behavior: A territorial fish that will establish large territories. Combine with other robust Tanganyika cichlids and catfish. Pairs form monogamous bonds and nuclear families during the spawning season. Red Jewel Cichlid - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Hemichromis_bimaculatus.html Habitat: Western Africa; found in forested streams in the Niger River Watershed in Guinea, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Mali, and Sierra Leone. Water chemistry: pH 6-7.8 (7.2), 4-18 dH (10), 72-82°F (22-28°C) Social behavior: A territorial species that becomes very aggressive and intolerant with the arrival of spawning. The Jewel Cichlid is relatively peaceful towards other species outside of the spawning time. Best kept in pairs, although if the pair is incompatible, the weaker fish will likely be killed. Pairs form monogamous bonds and make fine parents who care for the young in a nuclear family. My suggestion would be that you get more tanks so you can separate these fish into more suitable conditions and tank mates. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > I am looking for another fun Cichlid to add to the mix. I really liked the looks and color of the Surinam Geophagus "Earth eater." > Okay, honestly I have an itch to get another fish. > > In my Cichlid tank I currently have the following: >    1 Convict (male) >     1 Kenyi (male) >     1 Red Tail Obliquien >     1 5 Bar Tropheus 1 Red jewel 1 Pleco. >   > ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36850	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: I think the heat wave killed my fish

Lisa, I'm not sure what reducing the temp of the heater will do. The heater should have a thermostat set at your preferred temperature so when the tank gets warmer than that temp due to the rising room temp, the heater should just stay in the off position. Make sure your heater is still set for the right temperature just in case your A/C or the weather lowers the room temperature too much below your preferred tank temp. You don't want your water temp dropping which can then cause issues such as Ich or other stress related disease issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Lawless Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I think the heat wave killed my fish Happy to report that this morning my tank has gone down to a satisfactory 26/27 degrees. This has been achieved by reducing the temp of my heater in the tank, and having  the air con on... Still unfortunatly too late for my beloved dwarf gourami, who i waited ages to get. At least my swords, corys, guppys, khuli loach, and snail have survived. Oh and 3 of my (Was 6) cardenal tetras.   Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36851	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets

Bill, Have you checked the Hikari site yet? http://www.hikariusa.com The have a listing you can use as a start. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:34 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Discus Pellets > > I have heard of this food before along with other types in their fish food line up but I can > not find a site where it may be purchased.  Anyone have a link? > > Bill > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36852	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets

Hikari brand foods are available at most fish sites and retail outlets.. probably even your local Wally World. Here's Hikari's main website. http://www.hikariusa.com Check the ingredients though. While Hikari, at one time, was one of the best foods available, they haven't kept up with some of the other more "natural" ingredients in many of the other premium foods out there. For example, I'm looking at my package of Hikari Algae Wafers which the ingredients start off with: INGREDIENTS: Fish meal, dehydrated alfalfa meal, wheat flour, wheat germ meal, starch, dried seaweeds meal, fish oil, krill meal, dried bakery products, brewers dried yeast, spirulina, etc. Where, Omega One's Veggie rounds (their name for Algae Wafers) has: INGREDIENTS: Whole Kelp, Spirulina, Whole Salmon, Halibut, Seafood Mix (Including Krill, Whole Herring, & Shrimp), Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, etc. BIG DIFFERENCE!!! You see Kelp and Spirulina as the first two ingredients.. the main ones... in Omega One where they are the 6th and 11th ingredients in Hikari's Algae Wafers. When I run out of my Hikari Algae Wafers, I'll be switching over to the Omega One Veggie Rounds. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:34 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Discus Pellets I have heard of this food before along with other types in their fish food line up but I can not find a site where it may be purchased.  Anyone have a link?   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36853	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's china.. or that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source of slate or slate type rocks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware store usually has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did get some pea gravel for only 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted something smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and I've heard bad things about it. Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away with doing something like this below except perhaps painting a ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then > they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural > awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying > vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is > preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed > in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with > some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of > stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed > with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place > them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > (END SNIP) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep > the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the > hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough > to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I > do, LOL. > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the > big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > Does this sound like a good idea? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not > > put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in > > their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment > > of Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote > > from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't > > have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just > > algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before > > adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and > > perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 > > gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36854	From: William	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

You could "paint" this on any aquarium ornament. Get two or three of them to rotate them as you need them. I think that you might even be able to do it on a plastic aquarium plant. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time > finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware store > usually has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate > tiles or ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did get > some pea gravel for only 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) > Yay! LOL. I wanted something smaller than that but they don't have > anything but play sand, and I've heard bad things about it. > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > with doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but if it > helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will sacrifice a > dinner plate for them, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > > plate > > of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then they realize > > they left their keys in the car... lol) > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and derivatives > > (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic grazers inhabiting > > consistently shallower waters, where the natural awfuchs makeup is > > represented largely by algal growth and decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet > > rich in fiber and other vegetable products is preferred, although, as with > > other grazers, microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, > > and so, > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > > trick that > > may be an interesting way of stimulating natural foraging behavior is to > > paint egg whites mixed with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let > > them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for > > biofilm." > > (END SNIP) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > > gallon > > another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. Then I was > > thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep the tank > > cycled > > until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the hillstream loaches and > > perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough to get some angel fry? I > > will have to figure out how to feed them if I do, LOL. > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the big > > tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not put > > > the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in their > > > diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment of > > > Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from > > > one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't have > > > the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just algae > > > they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. This is in > > > addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. In an ideal > > > world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before adding any > > > Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and perhaps > > > inverts first to help the tank establish itself after cycling." > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my 125 > > > gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 gallon > > > has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36855	From: William	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: discus diet

Discus Hans is going to be at the NEC week end convention on March 20 to 22. He will probably be bringing many of his discus to the convention. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > If anyone wants the recipe Discus Hans feeds, let me know. I think I still have it from when I got my discus from him. They would not eat until I made some up. It has lean ground beef, cod, shrimp, flake food, human vitamins and more in it. I only made half the recipe and still have some in the freezer. I know someone that makes meatballs out of it and freezes it that way. Hans goes thru 6 lbs of this mixture a day. It is a bit expensive to make up, but at least my discus started eating and I was able to switch them over to a varity of foods that I feed. > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@...: sevenspringss@...: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:42:20 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: discus diet > > > > Hikari Discus Pellets are a very good food, but they should be supplemented with a variety of other foods to ensure best nutrition for the fish. Discus Pellets of themselves are not a completely well- rounded diet, besides which, like any other dry food it will lose most of its vitamin content within 2 months if its not all fed by that time (refrigeration will somewhat prolong these vitamins). Blood worms are one of the best foods you can give the fish, and Hikari's packaging of them is about the best quality of this food as you can find. There's really no need to feed the fish live blood worms, even though they're excellent. It would appear that Hikari flash-freezes this food as they're as fresh as the live form, immediately after being thawed out. Besides bloodworms being an excellent source of protein, they're high in HUFA (Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids) -- Omega 3 and Omega 6. Frozen (thawed) Mysis Shrimp (again, by Hikari) is another good food you can feed these Discus. Besides, its nutrition, its rich in natural carotene -- and will bring out the color in these fish.Chop meat, unless extremely lean, should not be given to Discus, or to any other fish for that matter. Fish cannot digest mammal fat. Lean beefheart, when bought frozen for fish consumption) may occasionally be fed to these fish, as just about all the fat has been removed during processing; its an excellent source of protein. Nothing wrong with feeding the Discus live Daphnia, especially one of the larger species such as D. pulex or D. magna, so that they'll still consider it worth going after. Whenever possible, it's best to offer Discus a food that doesn't sink too fast as they prefer eating mid-water. A live food such as this is always in front of . Any other foods (frozen and dry) must be fed more slowly to give them time to reach most of it before it hits the bottom unless you have bottom fish (Cory's, Loaches, etc.), although they will pick from the bottom -- but not as efficiently. Ray--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@> wrote:>> > Hi Myron.> Speaking of one of my favorite fish. I had Discus for quite a few> years and I fed them Hikari's Discus Pellets ( they love them ) and> every once in a while some really fine chopped meat ---very little.> Have to have patience, only feed a few pieces, when they're slowing> down stop feeding. Leave chop meat in the tank and water will foul> up: FAST! Siphon out what may sink to the bottom. Mine would eat> right out of my hand. Had better control of it that way.> Well rinsed blood worms - I know a lot of people preach against it,> but I like to use the live stuff. Frozen is OK, too.> I will not use tubiflex worms live, dry, frozen or dry freeze. Too> many problems.> joe t> > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "myronbarefoot" <bluemoon331@>> wrote:> >> > Hi, I was wondering what some of the discus keepers out ther were > > feeding their discuss? My base food is cichlid delight (frozen San > > francisco bay product)with blood worms etc. but I know there are > > pellets etc. out there and I'm looking at good quality diet as well as > > price. Also, I like this forum very much but was wondering if there > > are others you might recomend.Thanks,> > Myron> >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36856	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from them, LOL. Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd plate in the cupboard. LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's china.. or > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source of > slate > or slate type rocks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time > finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware store usually > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > ceramic > tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping company as they > would > be expensive here. But on a side note I did get some pea gravel for only > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted something > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and I've > heard > bad things about it. > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away with > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > ceramic/porcelain > dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but if it helps my > loaches get > the nutrients they need then I will sacrifice a dinner plate for them, > LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > > plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then > > they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural > > awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying > > vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is > > preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed > > in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with > > some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of > > stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed > > with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place > > them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > (END SNIP) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > > gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep > > the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the > > hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough > > to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I > > do, LOL. > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the > > big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not > > > put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in > > > their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment > > > of Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote > > > from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't > > > have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just > > > algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before > > > adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and > > > perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself after > cycling." > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 > > > gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36857	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but they > were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from > them, LOL. > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > asked for it ;) > I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd plate in the > cupboard. LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > china.. or > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source of > > slate > > or slate type rocks. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time > > finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware store > usually > > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > > ceramic > > tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping company as they > > would > > be expensive here. But on a side note I did get some pea gravel for only > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > something > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and I've > > heard > > bad things about it. > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > with > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > ceramic/porcelain > > dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but if it helps my > > loaches get > > the nutrients they need then I will sacrifice a dinner plate for them, > > LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about artificial > > > awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans when they drop a > > > plate of food on the floor or close their locked car door and then > > > they realize they left their keys in the car... lol) > > > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the natural > > > awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and decaying > > > vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other vegetable products is > > > preferred, although, as with other grazers, microrganisms are consumed > > > in the process of grazing, and so, protein may be offered, though with > > > some care. An old fry feeding trick that may be an interesting way of > > > stimulating natural foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed > > > with vegetable flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place > > > them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up and > > > running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on the 125 > > > gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to keep > > > the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for the > > > hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be lucky enough > > > to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how to feed them if I > > > do, LOL. > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into the > > > big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia Lineolata's > > > > to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on the loach forum > > > > about my project ideas and some tips, I was told that I should not > > > > put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank as they need algae in > > > > their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I want to get an assortment > > > > of Hillstream Loaches at some point later down the line. I like the > > > > Beaufortia types as well, and the Gastromyzon types are really neat > > > > too, but can't find those for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote > > > > from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. Although > > > > the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may not be > > > > sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself doesn't > > > > have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It isn't just > > > > algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period before > > > > adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, plants and > > > > perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish itself after > > cycling." > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in my > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my 55 > > > > gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36858	From: bill1433	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Discus Pellets

Thanks Steve,   I did get there first but failed to check the obvious-the retailers list.  Maybe due some reading.  Although the price seems high so too does the protein content! Thanks again.   Bill --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Discus Pellets To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:52 PM Bill, Have you checked the Hikari site yet? http://www.hikarius a.com The have a listing you can use as a start. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:34 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Discus Pellets > > I have heard of this food before along with other types in their fish food line up but I can > not find a site where it may be purchased.  Anyone have a link? > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36859	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Were the rocks just being stored under the stairs? You might want to ask them, "Where did you get them rocks? I have an aquarium and I've been looking for some like that." They might just offer them all to you. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but > they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from > them, LOL. > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd > plate in the cupboard. LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > china.. or > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source > > of slate or slate type rocks. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard > > time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware > > store > usually > > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > > ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did > > get some pea gravel for only > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > something > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and > > I've heard bad things about it. > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > with > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but > > if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will > > sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about > > > artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans > > > when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked > > > car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... > > > lol) > > > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the > > > natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and > > > decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other > > > vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, > > > microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, > > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > > > trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural > > > foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable > > > flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up > > > and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on > > > the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria growing on it. > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to > > > keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for > > > the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be > > > lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how > > > to feed them if I do, LOL. > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into > > > the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia > > > > Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on > > > > the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told > > > > that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank > > > > as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > > > > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point > > > > later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and > > > > the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those > > > > for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the members that keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. > > > > Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may > > > > not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself > > > > doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It > > > > isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and surfaces. > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by yourself. > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period > > > > before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, > > > > plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish > > > > itself after > > cycling." > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in > > > > my > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my > > > > 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

I would guess they were storing them under the stairs, yes... They were paving stones, no clue what kind they were, but they were flat, and big. Some were white, others were dark colors. I thought about asking, but it's a little ol' lady and I didn't want to seem rude somehow. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Were the rocks just being stored under the stairs? You might want to ask > them, "Where did you get them rocks? I have an aquarium and I've been > looking for some like that." They might just offer them all to you. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but > > they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from > > them, LOL. > > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > > asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd > > plate in the cupboard. LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > > china.. or > > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source > > > of slate or slate type rocks. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard > > > time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware > > > store > > usually > > > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > > > ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > > > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did > > > get some pea gravel for only > > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > > something > > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and > > > I've heard bad things about it. > > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > > with > > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but > > > if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will > > > sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about > > > > artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans > > > > when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked > > > > car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... > > > > lol) > > > > > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>> > > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the > > > > natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and > > > > decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other > > > > vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, > > > > microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, > > > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > > > > trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural > > > > foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable > > > > flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them in the > tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up > > > > and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on > > > > the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria > growing on > it. > > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to > > > > keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for > > > > the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be > > > > lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how > > > > to feed them if I do, LOL. > > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into > > > > the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia > > > > > Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on > > > > > the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told > > > > > that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank > > > > > as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > > > > > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point > > > > > later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and > > > > > the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those > > > > > for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the > members that > keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. > > > > > Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may > > > > > not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself > > > > > doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It > > > > > isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the algae and > surfaces. > > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by > yourself. > > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period > > > > > before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, > > > > > plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish > > > > > itself after > > > cycling." > > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in > > > > > my > > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my > > > > > 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36861	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

I wonder how long the egg mix will take to dry. After researching more about the Hillstream loaches I found that they don't eat just aufuchs, they also eat some meat (so they are more of an omnivore), so I used a whole egg instead of just the egg whites as I know the egg yolks have all the vitamins in it, and I sprinkled some of the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs on top. they were already being fed the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs (this is the previous unknown orange powder I posted about, and now know what it is). Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I would guess they were storing them under the stairs, yes... They were > paving stones, no clue what kind they were, but they were flat, and big. > Some were white, others were dark colors. > I thought about asking, but it's a little ol' lady and I didn't want to > seem rude somehow. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Were the rocks just being stored under the stairs? You might want to ask > > them, "Where did you get them rocks? I have an aquarium and I've been > > looking for some like that." They might just offer them all to you. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but > > > they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from > > > them, LOL. > > > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > > > asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd > > > plate in the cupboard. LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > > > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > > > china.. or > > > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > > > > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source > > > > of slate or slate type rocks. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard > > > > time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware > > > > store > > > usually > > > > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > > > > ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > > > > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did > > > > get some pea gravel for only > > > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > > > something > > > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and > > > > I've heard bad things about it. > > > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > > > with > > > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > > > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but > > > > if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will > > > > sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about > > > > > artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans > > > > > when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked > > > > > car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... > > > > > lol) > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>>> > > > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the > > > > > natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and > > > > > decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other > > > > > vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, > > > > > microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, > > > > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > > > > > trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural > > > > > foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable > > > > > flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them > in the > > tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up > > > > > and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on > > > > > the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria > > growing on > > it. > > > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to > > > > > keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for > > > > > the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be > > > > > lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how > > > > > to feed them if I do, LOL. > > > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into > > > > > the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia > > > > > > Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on > > > > > > the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told > > > > > > that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank > > > > > > as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > > > > > > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point > > > > > > later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and > > > > > > the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those > > > > > > for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the > > members that > > keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. > > > > > > Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may > > > > > > not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself > > > > > > doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It > > > > > > isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the > algae and > > surfaces. > > > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by > > yourself. > > > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period > > > > > > before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, > > > > > > plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish > > > > > > itself after > > > > cycling." > > > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in > > > > > > my > > > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my > > > > > > 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36862	From: Leanna	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: do riped fins regrow/heal?

my lovley fancy guppy and black high fin tetras fins were reasently riped or are now missing a piece(dont know how it happend) will they heal or regrow over time. i would hate to think that this damage was permanent. will this lessen there qwality of life? duse it caws them pain? is there anyway i can aide in there healing? thanks much anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

I think that original "mix" included other fish foods (flakes, etc.) mixed into the egg whites. The egg whites were just a base that would "stick" to the rocks, holding the other foods in place until gnawed off... simulating awfuchs... or if you used spirulina flakes or other quality algae flake products, it would be like homemade algae. This might be easier than setting up an algae tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches I wonder how long the egg mix will take to dry. After researching more about the Hillstream loaches I found that they don't eat just aufuchs, they also eat some meat (so they are more of an omnivore), so I used a whole egg instead of just the egg whites as I know the egg yolks have all the vitamins in it, and I sprinkled some of the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs on top. they were already being fed the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs (this is the previous unknown orange powder I posted about, and now know what it is). Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I would guess they were storing them under the stairs, yes... They were > paving stones, no clue what kind they were, but they were flat, and big. > Some were white, others were dark colors. > I thought about asking, but it's a little ol' lady and I didn't want to > seem rude somehow. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Were the rocks just being stored under the stairs? You might want to ask > > them, "Where did you get them rocks? I have an aquarium and I've been > > looking for some like that." They might just offer them all to you. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but > > > they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat rock from > > > them, LOL. > > > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > > > asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used that odd > > > plate in the cupboard. LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have large > > > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > > > china.. or > > > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > > > > > Keep looking around though. I'm sure you'll find a low-cost source > > > > of slate or slate type rocks. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:55 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny I loved this idea, but unfortunately I'm having a hard > > > > time finding "Aquarium safe tiles" my local mom and pop hardware > > > > store > > > usually > > > > has odds and ends for building but she has no roofing slate tiles or > > > > ceramic tiles either. I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > > > > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did > > > > get some pea gravel for only > > > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > > > something > > > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and > > > > I've heard bad things about it. > > > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I get away > > > with > > > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > > > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? It might look odd in the tank, but > > > > if it helps my loaches get the nutrients they need then I will > > > > sacrifice a dinner plate for them, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here's a snip from a Plecofanatics article that talks about > > > > > artificial awfuchs (that sure sounds like a noise made by humans > > > > > when they drop a plate of food on the floor or close their locked > > > > > car door and then they realize they left their keys in the car... > > > > > lol) > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>> > > > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>> > > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>>> > > > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the > > > > > natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal growth and > > > > > decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other > > > > > vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other grazers, > > > > > microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, > > > > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry feeding > > > > > trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural > > > > > foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable > > > > > flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them > in the > > tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get it up > > > > > and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on > > > > > the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria > > growing on > > it. > > > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in there to > > > > > keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for > > > > > the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be > > > > > lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure out how > > > > > to feed them if I do, LOL. > > > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into > > > > > the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and get here > > > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia > > > > > > Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on > > > > > > the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I was told > > > > > > that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank > > > > > > as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > > > > > > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point > > > > > > later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and > > > > > > the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find those > > > > > > for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the > > members that > > keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. > > > > > > Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on they may > > > > > > not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank itself > > > > > > doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish need. It > > > > > > isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the > algae and > > surfaces. > > > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by > > yourself. > > > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period > > > > > > before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, > > > > > > plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish > > > > > > itself after > > > > cycling." > > > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in > > > > > > my > > > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do until my > > > > > > 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36864	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches

Yes I agree, now to get it to speed dry ;) LOL. I used omega one veggie flakes in it, as well as the brine shrimp eggs Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I think that original "mix" included other fish foods (flakes, etc.) mixed > into the egg whites. The egg whites were just a base that would "stick" to > the rocks, holding the other foods in place until gnawed off... simulating > awfuchs... or if you used spirulina flakes or other quality algae flake > products, it would be like homemade algae. This might be easier than > setting up an algae tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > I wonder how long the egg mix will take to dry. > After researching more about the Hillstream loaches I found that they > don't > eat just aufuchs, they also eat some meat (so they are more of an > omnivore), > so I used a whole egg instead of just the egg whites as I know the egg > yolks > have all the vitamins in it, and I sprinkled some of the decapsulated > brine > shrimp eggs on top. they were already being fed the decapsulated brine > shrimp eggs (this is the previous unknown orange powder I posted > about, and > now know what it is). > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I would guess they were storing them under the stairs, yes... They were > > paving stones, no clue what kind they were, but they were flat, and big. > > Some were white, others were dark colors. > > I thought about asking, but it's a little ol' lady and I didn't want to > > seem rude somehow. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Were the rocks just being stored under the stairs? You might want > to ask > > > them, "Where did you get them rocks? I have an aquarium and I've been > > > looking for some like that." They might just offer them all to > you. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:24 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > Whoops, I meant I saw SOME under someone's stairs, LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Well I saw someone under someones stairs when I was delivering, but > > > > they were home and I didn't want to get caught taking a flat > rock from > > > > them, LOL. > > > > Now if it had been laying around somewhere I may have grabbed it or > > > > asked for it ;) I will keep a lookout though, for now I used > that odd > > > > plate in the cupboard. LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. I'm sure any flat surface would work.. even if you have > large > > > > > flattish rocks.. which would look more natural than your mom's > > > > china.. or > > > > > that oddball plate that we all have in our plate cabinet. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Keep looking around though. 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I don't want to hunt down a landscaping > > > > > company as they would be expensive here. But on a side note I did > > > > > get some pea gravel for only > > > > > 12.71 for 50 lbs of it from the same store :) Yay! LOL. I wanted > > > > something > > > > > smaller than that but they don't have anything but play sand, and > > > > > I've heard bad things about it. > > > > > Now I have a question (I'm full of questions, LOL), could I > get away > > > > with > > > > > doing something like this below except perhaps painting a > > > > > ceramic/porcelain dinner plate? 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<http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1> > > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1 > <http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=87&catid=1>>>>>> > > > > > > "Ancistrus group/chaetostoma group/pseudancistrus group and > > > > > > derivatives (hopliancistrus, dekeyseria, lixothus) -periphytonic > > > > > > grazers inhabiting consistently shallower waters, where the > > > > > > natural awfuchs makeup is represented largely by algal > growth and > > > > > > decaying vegetation. Thus, a diet rich in fiber and other > > > > > > vegetable products is preferred, although, as with other > grazers, > > > > > > microrganisms are consumed in the process of grazing, and so, > > > > > > protein may be offered, though with some care. An old fry > feeding > > > > > > trick that may be an interesting way of stimulating natural > > > > > > foraging behavior is to paint egg whites mixed with vegetable > > > > > > flake onto aquarium safe tiles, let them dry, and place them > > in the > > > tank. This makes a great substitute for biofilm." > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches > > > > > > > > > > > > My thought was to finish my project on the 55 gallon and get > it up > > > > > > and running, then put the eheim filter on it after running it on > > > > > > the 125 gallon another week or so to get some good bacteria > > > growing on > > > it. > > > > > > Then I was thinking I could put just the 2 angel fish in > there to > > > > > > keep the tank cycled until it grows enough algae and awfuchs for > > > > > > the hillstream loaches and perhaps in the meantime I might be > > > > > > lucky enough to get some angel fry? I will have to figure > out how > > > > > > to feed them if I do, LOL. > > > > > > Then maybe in a couple months I can put the angel fish back into > > > > > > the big tank and put the loaches into the 55 gallon. > > > > > > Does this sound like a good idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so my loaches will ship out tomorrow afternoon and > get here > > > > > > > Tuesday night, and if all goes well I'll have 6 Sewellia > > > > > > > Lineolata's to acclimate, yay! LOL. When I asked questions on > > > > > > > the loach forum about my project ideas and some tips, I > was told > > > > > > > that I should not put the hillstreams into a newly set up tank > > > > > > > as they need algae in their diet (awfuchs). If all goes well I > > > > > > > want to get an assortment of Hillstream Loaches at some point > > > > > > > later down the line. I like the Beaufortia types as well, and > > > > > > > the Gastromyzon types are really neat too, but can't find > those > > > > > > > for sale anywhere yet ;) Here's a quote from one of the > > > members that > > > keep Hillstream loaches: > > > > > > > "I'd be cautious about adding the Loaches to the new setup. > > > > > > > Although the filter will have some bacteria colonies on > they may > > > > > > > not be sufficient at first but more importantly the tank > itself > > > > > > > doesn't have the micro flora and fauna that these fish > need. It > > > > > > > isn't just algae they consume but other organisms on the > > algae and > > > surfaces. > > > > > > > This is in addition to their extra foodstuffs provided by > > > yourself. > > > > > > > In an ideal world you would be looking at a 4-6 month period > > > > > > > before adding any Loaches to this setup and adding other fish, > > > > > > > plants and perhaps inverts first to help the tank establish > > > > > > > itself after > > > > > cycling." > > > > > > > So as far as this thought goes, it sounds like putting them in > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > 125 gallon tank temporarily is what I would have to do > until my > > > > > > > 55 gallon has enough algae and awfuchs growing in it... > > > > > > > What is everyone else's thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > > SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36865	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

I understood they were the same species. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange Zebra Danio Ray, While I agreed with you earlier today, after \\Steve// mentioned that some were saying that Brachydanio frankei was actually a variant of B. rerio, rather than a completely different species. I started doing some reading on this earlier and just finished reading a few dozen articles and it seems that B. frankei no longer exists. In fact, if you do a search of "brachydanio frankei" in fish base, it brings you to the Branchydanio rerio (Zebra Danio) profile.... but it seems the Brachydanio genus has been renamed as Danio so Fishbase needs to be updated also... apparently. This 1979 article abstract by J. S. Frankel, found on Google Scholar, http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/4/287 ends by saying, "... it is suggested that the species status of B. frankei be reexamined." This 1999 article abstract (but long one) also found on Google Scholar, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T9H-3XV29G0-9&_us er=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1& _urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e8bdc4f691bfcb4174c6c34aeb1c297a titled "Zebrafish Leopard gene as a component of the putative reaction-diffusion system", which starts off with, "Abstract It has been suggested, on a theoretical basis, that a reaction-diffusion (RD) mechanism underlies pigment pattern formation in animals, but as yet, there is no molecular evidence for the putative mechanism. Mutations in the zebrafish gene, leopard, change the pattern from stripes to spots...." This 1996 article abstract, also found on Google Scholar, titled "Mutations affecting pigmentation and shape of the adult zebrafish" further supports that the leopard dots are just a variant of the zebra danio's stripes. http://www.springerlink.com/content/c593a5c2fbbxpqd7/ And then there is WikiPedia <g> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danionin_species_disambiguation which says, "... Brachydanio frankei, now deemed a subspecies of Danio rerio (Danio rerio var frankei)" after first saying, "... The following genera that previously described certain danionins are no longer valid: Allodanio Brachydanio Danioides Daniops Eustira Parabarilius Paradanio Rambaibarnia All Devario species were formerly in the genus Danio. In addition Devario acuticephala, Devario shanensis and Devario sondhii were also regarded at one time as being in the former genus Brachydanio..." And then another WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danio refers to Danio rerio and Danio rerio var frankei (for the leopard danio). Here's a Practical Fish Keeping article "A fishkeepers guide to danios and devarios" (March 2003) http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 334 which doesn't even mention "B. frankei or D. frankei", except for this comment in the long article, "... Common name: Zebra danio. Scientific name: Danio rerio. Size: About 6cm/2" and quite stocky. Origin: Very common and found in Myanmar, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Notes: This is the most common Danio, along with the Leopard danio. The Leopard, once called Danio frankei, is now considered to be simply a spotted aquarium strain of the Zebra, and does not occur in the wild. Females can get quite big and fat, and the slender fish you buy as babies will treble in size fairly soon." and the article further goes on to be more definitive in this snip... "Danio distributions There are currently about 9 valid species in the genus Danio. This genus currently contains many more undescribed species, and the similarities between many fish mean that identifying them can be difficult. You can view their distributions using the Practical Fishkeeping Fish Mapper application. Danio albolineatus Danio choprai Danio dangila Danio kerri Danio kyathit Danio nigrofasciatus Danio quangbinhensis Danio rerio Danio roseus" (END SNIP) I have not found the actual article(s) that changed the scientific name of B. frankei to B. rerio and then to Danio rerio but it seems to be out there somewhere between these 1979 and 1996/1999 articles. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange Zebra Danio It's not a Zebra Danio of any kind. It's a Leopard Danio -- an entirely different, but closely related, and very similar species. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > You're right, it's a leopard Zebra Danio, I searched for images in Google and saw one just like mine, only mine is long finned. > Thanks for the info :) > Noura ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

Yes, torn, shredded or nipped fins will grow back as long as they do not go missing all the way down to the peduncle (on the tail fin, where the fin connects to the body). What size tank? What kind of fish do you have? How many of each? Anything new in the tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.? I imagine it hurts a little but probably not like a body injury would hurt. Fish certainly react when another fish nips at their fins. There are also diseases that can cause fins to look ripped or nipped which is why I asked about your water parameters. In the meantime, start doing more frequent PWC's and tank/filter maintenance as the cleaner the water, the better it is for the fish to heal up properly.. one less stressor for them. Try to watch your fish and see if one or more of your fish are nipping or chasing other fish more than what might be considered playing. Some fish have a higher propensity to become nippers but any fish can become one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? my lovley fancy guppy and black high fin tetras fins were reasently riped or are now missing a piece(dont know how it happend) will they heal or regrow over time. i would hate to think that this damage was permanent. will this lessen there qwality of life? duse it caws them pain? is there anyway i can aide in there healing? thanks much anna

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36867	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Thanks Ray. When I was young I recall my dad having 3 tanks (6ft by 3ft by 3ft each). He would bring fish in from the ocean then take them back after a while and then start all over again. But I never recall him talking about the fish being sick. The way you described the sickness reminds me of Whitespot but without the fuzzness. Yes, your right, i'm a beginner with all this eventhough, I've been around fish off and on through my life. But the fish my dad kept were very different to what I have. He had deep see fish (example baby shark, sting rays etc) salt water ones where I stick to the tropicals. Maybe one day I will venture into marine fish. Thanks Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Jasmine, Now that you mention it, this is one of the stranger > questioned to be asked, but for a beginner whom is not yet familiar > with this it's perfectly sensible. It does happen to be a sickness, > but this is not meant as someone leaving off the "s" from that word. > It's a somewhat common fish illness most often occurring in beginning > hobbyists tank, as they may not yet know much about it or even how to > prevent from getting it in the first place. This does not mean it > can't happen to anyone's fish, nor despite diligence against it when > fish are inadvertently subjected to chills resulting from a power > outage (this chill is most often brought on by beginners when > transporting fish in cold weather without regard for proper > insulation against the elements). The word "Ich" is the common name > for the specific disease, short for "Ichthyophthirius," a protozoan > parasite which manifests itself as an appearance of a salt-like > sprinkling of themselves over the skin and fins of the fish. It's > safely treatable with a heat and salt treatment when it does occur, > which as previously mentioned, is the result of stress -- most often > received as a chill. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@> wrote: > > > > I know this maybe a strange question to ask but What is ick? > > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the > word 'sick' > > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > > > I'm intrigued > > Jasmine > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. > Are > > you > > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How > are > > you > > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > > hillstream > > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > > tropical > > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved > somewhere > > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in > case, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from > pet smart > > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > loches and > > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had > leeches in > > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > > ended up > > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to > pick them > > > > off, > > > > > won't do that again! > > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > > When I go > > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee > that > > > > works > > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to > cure the > > > > sick > > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago > is now > > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > > whatever > > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > > though, and > > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or > get the > > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to > care). > > I now > > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can > tell > > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > > sick ones > > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just > because I > > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean > because I > > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think > the two > > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > > have taken > > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish > first > > before > > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > > angel fish. > > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > > angels in a > > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I > left > > that > > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then > you > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that > store, > > > > > > make sure > > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > > buy from > > > > > > a store > > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own > stuff > > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants > before > > > > > > selling them > > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever > gotten with > > > > > > plants but > > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I > consider > > them a > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive > plants > > > > and the > > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most > catfish > > > > are more > > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more > active at > > > > > > night and > > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on > > > > the right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > > see one > > > > > > that i > > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that > shows what > > > > it look > > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > > ensure i > > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > > into the > > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking > at the > > > > tank at > > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor > have I > > > > seen any > > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I > saw > > > > last night > > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I > retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show > up > > in our > > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years > while > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for > someone > > > > else but I > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only > time I've > > > > ever > > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of > our > > > > aquarium > > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a > chance. The > > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are > describing > > > > though and > > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > > seems you'd > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > > haven't > > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually > in > > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they > are > > most > > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from > white to > > > > black so > > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > > clean-up crew > > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that > this > > is what > > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper > as they > > > > live > > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought > was a > > > > rooted > > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > > was in the > > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > > harmless but > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > > reason I > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because > I > > > > constantly > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > > the gravel > > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > > keep that > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be > in other > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on > the > > glass? > > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you > see > > > > them on > > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria > but you > > > > would > > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to > be > > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > > just be > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and > spots > > as they > > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > > then it > > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > > that first > > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were > black. > > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on > top. My > > > > tank is > > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our > male > > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > > dot type > > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > > upward with > > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below > the > > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > > substrate or > > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I > have > > > > links to > > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog > about "Planted > > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my > horror > > it also > > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it > and took > > > > it back > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > > > harmless and > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't > > find any. > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in > the > > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we > found > > 4. Does > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. > Ensure you > > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has > a very > > > > good > > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, > often > > > > the light > > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure > a > > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough > light for > > > > you. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe > > (would have > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my > LFS > > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the > regular > > lights > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the > aquarium > > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows > other > > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have > > to have a > > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list > several > > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I > > have live > > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had > Anacharis > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > > > Although the > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my > weekly > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. > I use > > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as > all > > that > > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of > gravel > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several > > clay pots > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the > stalks > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose > > stalks and > > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have > and > > have had > > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few > others > > > > over the > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the > > most part > > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow > > right back > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- > > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you > scroll > > > > down to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with > sparse > > plants, > > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at > the top > > > > of my > > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same > 65G > > tank > > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I > > had to > > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the > middle is a > > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they > > like the > > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up > anacharis a > > > > chance to > > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new > shoots > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do > > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass > those to > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before > > making your > > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant- > habitat- > > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for > informational > > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. > mainly > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy > > from them, > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You > can > > > > also check > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if > they've > > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish > > habitat > > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the > page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo > wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are > > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I > keep the > > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for > high, > > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet > goldfish > > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36868	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Thank you Lenny It sounds so technical. And like lots of things in life, there is a lot to learn. So you had a Chinese teacher teaching you German - interesting. That would have been hard to try and pick up the accents. When we came to Australia my sister had a French teacher to which she kept correcting in pronunciation (you see, our first school was a French school). You could imagine what the teacher thought of my sister :o) no one likes being shown up in front of a class especially by a 10/11 year old girl. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > It probably should be "Ich" which is short for Ichthyophthirius (which is > the Genus for several species of this protozoan parasite)... at least when I > refer to it, I try to at least spell it as "Ich" instead of "Ick" but the > "Ich" would be pronounced the same as "Ick" since the first syllable of > Ichthyophthirius, like Ichthyology is pronounced as "Ick". The word "Ich" > is actually the German spelling for "I" and is pronounced with a rolling > "ch" at the end.. like you would be saying it while clearing your throat... > at least I think that's how Frau Ching taught me back in high school... yes, > my German teacher was Chinese. ;-) There are various medicines available > and some of them spell it as Ick-Away, Rid-Ick, Cure-Ick or something like > that so I think that's where the "Ick" short-cut spelling is derived. > > Here's a couple of detailed articles about this fish parasite. > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jasmine > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > I'm intrigued > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are > you > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are > you > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > hillstream > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > tropical > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet > > > smart that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > > > loches and my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > ended up > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick > > > > them > > > off, > > > > won't do that again! > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > When I go > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > > works > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure > > > > the > > > sick > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > whatever > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > though, and > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get > > > > the other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). > I now > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > sick ones > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because > > > > I really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because > > > > > I moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the > > > > > two upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > have taken > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first > before > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > angel fish. > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > angels in a > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left > that > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > > definitely > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that > > > > > > store, > > > > > make sure > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > buy from > > > > > a store > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > > selling them > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten > > > > > > with > > > > > plants but > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider > them a > > > > > natural > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > > and the > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most > > > > > > catfish > > > are more > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active > > > > > > at > > > > > night and > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > see one > > > > > that i > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows > > > > > > what > > > it look > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > ensure i > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > into the > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at > > > > > > the > > > tank at > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have > > > > > > I > > > seen any > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > > last night > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up > in our > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years > > > > > > > while > > > trying > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > > else but I > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time > > > > > > > I've > > > ever > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > > aquarium > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > > though and > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > seems you'd > > > > > see > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > haven't > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/ind > e>> > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually in > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are > most > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > > black so > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > clean-up crew > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this > is what > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as > > > > > > > they > > > live > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > > rooted > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > was in the > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > harmless but > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > reason I > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > > constantly > > > > > > have > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > the gravel > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > keep that > > > > > tank > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in > > > > > > > other > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the > glass? > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > > them on > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but > > > > > > > you > > > would > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > just be > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots > as they > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > then it > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > that first > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > > tank is > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > dot type > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > upward with > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > substrate or > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > > links to > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36869	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Thanks Amber So it is like while spot, I think I prefer common names to those hard to explain fancy ones :-) Cheers Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599&sid=2dc58c9a427cffb4f70868cd88ea3bda > That should give you enough info to understand what it is. > > Amber > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > I know this maybe a strange question to aske but What is ick? > > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the word 'sick' > > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > > > I'm intrigued > > Jasmine > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. Are > > you > > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How are > > you > > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > > hillstream > > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > > tropical > > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved somewhere > > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in case, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from pet smart > > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown loches and > > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had leeches in > > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > > ended up > > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to pick them > > > > off, > > > > > won't do that again! > > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > > When I go > > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee that > > > > works > > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to cure the > > > > sick > > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago is now > > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > > whatever > > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > > though, and > > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or get the > > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to care). > > I now > > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can tell > > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > > sick ones > > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just because I > > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean because I > > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think the two > > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > > have taken > > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish first > > before > > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > > angel fish. > > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > > angels in a > > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I left > > that > > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then you > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that store, > > > > > > make sure > > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > > buy from > > > > > > a store > > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own stuff > > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants before > > > > > > selling them > > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever gotten with > > > > > > plants but > > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I consider > > them a > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive plants > > > > and the > > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most catfish > > > > are more > > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more active at > > > > > > night and > > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > > see one > > > > > > that i > > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that shows what > > > > it look > > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > > ensure i > > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > > into the > > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking at the > > > > tank at > > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor have I > > > > seen any > > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I saw > > > > last night > > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show up > > in our > > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years while > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for someone > > > > else but I > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only time I've > > > > ever > > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of our > > > > aquarium > > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a chance. The > > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are describing > > > > though and > > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > > seems you'd > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > > haven't > > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/pond/inde>>> > > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>>> - actually in > > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they are > > most > > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from white to > > > > black so > > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > > clean-up crew > > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that this > > is what > > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper as they > > > > live > > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought was a > > > > rooted > > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > > was in the > > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > > harmless but > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > > reason I > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because I > > > > constantly > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > > the gravel > > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > > keep that > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be in other > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on the > > glass? > > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you see > > > > them on > > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria but you > > > > would > > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to be > > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > > just be > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and spots > > as they > > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > > then it > > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > > that first > > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were black. > > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on top. My > > > > tank is > > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our male > > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > > dot type > > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > > upward with > > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below the > > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > > substrate or > > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I have > > > > links to > > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog about "Planted > > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my horror > > it also > > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it and took > > > > it back > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > > > harmless and > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't > > find any. > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in the > > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we found > > 4. Does > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. Ensure you > > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has a very > > > > good > > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, often > > > > the light > > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure a > > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough light for > > > > you. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe > > (would have > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my LFS > > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the regular > > lights > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the aquarium > > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows other > > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have > > to have a > > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list several > > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I > > have live > > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had Anacharis > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > > > Although the > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my weekly > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. I use > > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as all > > that > > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of gravel > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several > > clay pots > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the stalks > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose > > stalks and > > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have and > > have had > > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few others > > > > over the > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the > > most part > > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow > > right back > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my-diy- > > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you scroll > > > > down to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with sparse > > plants, > > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at the top > > > > of my > > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same 65G > > tank > > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I > > had to > > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the middle is a > > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they > > like the > > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up anacharis a > > > > chance to > > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new shoots > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do > > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass those to > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before > > making your > > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant-habitat- > > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for informational > > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. mainly > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy > > from them, > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You can > > > > also check > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if they've > > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish > > habitat > > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I keep the > > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for high, > > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet goldfish > > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36870	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

Lenny, Glad to see you've caught up on your reading concerning this fish. I've been aware of the many articles, reports and other rehashes (rewordings by others), including some which may be found on sites on the web for a number of years now. While some of this literature is even convincing, I still see it as controversial, yet extremely interesting. I've scrolled down the various reports you've included, with much interest, and thank you for including them as they add to what I've already known -- and I appreciate your interest in adding these. Not having the benefit of seeing these particular reports before, even though I've seen similiar, it would seem that some may add validity to this subject even while, as we know, others may just be copycats of what has alreay been written. Any subject dealing directly with some of our basic community tank denizens, as one of the mainstays in the hobby, is particulary noteworthy. Yes, the genus name has even been changed, shortened to "Danio." It should be realized that in ichthyology, when it comes to descriptions (assigning scientific names to th fish), there are two scholls of thought -- you had the lumpers and then you have the splitters; lumpers tending to consolidate more species under one genus in showing a closer relationship, and splitters tending to separate the fish when pointing out their differences. It would not surprise me in the least, if three years from now another ichthyologist took another look at this Genus (Dario) and decided to split it up again -- name changes have been nothing new over the history of aquatics. I'm not sure I subscribe to this change in Genus name, but for the time being will have to accept it (I'm not an ichthyologist) keeping an open mind that it may be changed back not in the too distant future. There are differences in what were previously two different genus, which I think should be pointed out, and which many studious aquarists are aware of. In contrast to Brachydanio, the Genus Danio has a complete lateral line and a greater number of fin rays in the dorsal and anal fins. These distinguishing characteristics are what help to define and identify a fish in its relationship to other similar species, as part of what describing (naming) what a particular fish is. These differences between these two previous genus are: Danio . . . . . . D: 8 - 17 soft rays, A: 10 - 13 soft rays Brachydanio . . . D: 6 - 7 soft rays, A; 10 - 13 soft rays I have not yet seen the actual article(s) that supposedly changed the scientific name of Brachydanio frankei to B. rerio (and then to Danio rerio) either, despite watching for it, and until I do I will reserve my conclusion on it. For those members whom may not be aware of it, previous to this possible name change in lumping the Leopard Danio (D. frankei) in with the Zebra Danio (D.rerio) as a sub-species, it has otherwise been considered as a separate species (and may still be). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > While I agreed with you earlier today, after \\Steve// mentioned that some > were saying that Brachydanio frankei was actually a variant of B. rerio, > rather than a completely different species. I started doing some reading on > this earlier and just finished reading a few dozen articles and it seems > that B. frankei no longer exists. In fact, if you do a search of > "brachydanio frankei" in fish base, it brings you to the Branchydanio rerio > (Zebra Danio) profile.... but it seems the Brachydanio genus has been > renamed as Danio so Fishbase needs to be updated also... apparently. > > This 1979 article abstract by J. S. Frankel, found on Google Scholar, > http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/4/287 ends by > saying, "... it is suggested that the species status of B. frankei be > reexamined." > > This 1999 article abstract (but long one) also found on Google Scholar, > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T9H- 3XV29G0-9&_us > er=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_vers ion=1& > _urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e8bdc4f691bfcb4174c6c34aeb1c297a titled > "Zebrafish Leopard gene as a component of the putative reaction- diffusion > system", which starts off with, > "Abstract > It has been suggested, on a theoretical basis, that a reaction- diffusion > (RD) mechanism underlies pigment pattern formation in animals, but as yet, > there is no molecular evidence for the putative mechanism. Mutations in the > zebrafish gene, leopard, change the pattern from stripes to spots...." > > This 1996 article abstract, also found on Google Scholar, titled "Mutations > affecting pigmentation and shape of the adult zebrafish" further supports > that the leopard dots are just a variant of the zebra danio's stripes. > http://www.springerlink.com/content/c593a5c2fbbxpqd7/ > > And then there is WikiPedia <g> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danionin_species_disambiguation which says, > "... Brachydanio frankei, now deemed a subspecies of Danio rerio (Danio > rerio var frankei)" after first saying, "... The following genera that > previously described certain danionins are no longer valid: > Allodanio > Brachydanio > Danioides > Daniops > Eustira > Parabarilius > Paradanio > Rambaibarnia > > All Devario species were formerly in the genus Danio. In addition Devario > acuticephala, Devario shanensis and Devario sondhii were also regarded at > one time as being in the former genus Brachydanio..." > > And then another WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danio refers to > Danio rerio and Danio rerio var frankei (for the leopard danio). > > Here's a Practical Fish Keeping article "A fishkeepers guide to danios and > devarios" (March 2003) > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php? article_id= > 334 which doesn't even mention "B. frankei or D. frankei", except for this > comment in the long article, "... Common name: Zebra danio. > Scientific name: Danio rerio. > Size: About 6cm/2" and quite stocky. > Origin: Very common and found in Myanmar, India, Nepal, Pakistan and > Bangladesh. > Notes: This is the most common Danio, along with the Leopard danio. The > Leopard, once called Danio frankei, is now considered to be simply a spotted > aquarium strain of the Zebra, and does not occur in the wild. Females can > get quite big and fat, and the slender fish you buy as babies will treble in > size fairly soon." > > and the article further goes on to be more definitive in this snip... > > "Danio distributions > > There are currently about 9 valid species in the genus Danio. This genus > currently contains many more undescribed species, and the similarities > between many fish mean that identifying them can be difficult. You can view > their distributions using the Practical Fishkeeping Fish Mapper application. > > Danio albolineatus > Danio choprai > Danio dangila > Danio kerri > Danio kyathit > Danio nigrofasciatus > Danio quangbinhensis > Danio rerio > Danio roseus" > (END SNIP) > > I have not found the actual article(s) that changed the scientific name of > B. frankei to B. rerio and then to Danio rerio but it seems to be out there > somewhere between these 1979 and 1996/1999 articles. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange Zebra Danio > > It's not a Zebra Danio of any kind. It's a Leopard Danio -- an entirely > different, but closely related, and very similar species. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@> wrote: > > > > You're right, it's a leopard Zebra Danio, I searched for images in > Google and saw one just like mine, only mine is long finned. > > Thanks for the info :) > > Noura >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36871	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

Sounds like your dad was really into marine fish. Some members would kill to have just one 6' x 3' x 3' tank (LOL), that had to be great seeing those fish in those hugh tanks. You dad was fortunate that his fish were never sick. Salt water fish can also get a disease similar to Ich on freshwater fish, called Cryptocaryon; its also known as "White Spot" although it's not closely related to the fresh water disease. The freshwater disease known as Ich is also known as White Spot and also "Salt & Pepper Disease," although I don't know where "Pepper" comes into play; none of the spots are black. The simple term "Ich" used by most hobbyists, once they learn what it is, is probably more definitive when describing this particular disease, as there are a number of other freshwater fish diseases appearing as white spots (and as you see, Salt & Pepper is not really accurate). Generally though, "White Spot" Disease is most often recognized as being Ich. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@...> wrote: > > Thanks Ray. > > When I was young I recall my dad having 3 tanks (6ft by 3ft by 3ft > each). He would bring fish in from the ocean then take them back > after a while and then start all over again. But I never recall him > talking about the fish being sick. > > The way you described the sickness reminds me of Whitespot but without > the fuzzness. Yes, your right, i'm a beginner with all this > eventhough, I've been around fish off and on through my life. But the > fish my dad kept were very different to what I have. He had deep see > fish (example baby shark, sting rays etc) salt water ones where I > stick to the tropicals. Maybe one day I will venture into marine fish. > > Thanks > Jasmine > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Jasmine, Now that you mention it, this is one of the stranger > > questioned to be asked, but for a beginner whom is not yet familiar > > with this it's perfectly sensible. It does happen to be a sickness, > > but this is not meant as someone leaving off the "s" from that word. > > It's a somewhat common fish illness most often occurring in beginning > > hobbyists tank, as they may not yet know much about it or even how to > > prevent from getting it in the first place. This does not mean it > > can't happen to anyone's fish, nor despite diligence against it when > > fish are inadvertently subjected to chills resulting from a power > > outage (this chill is most often brought on by beginners when > > transporting fish in cold weather without regard for proper > > insulation against the elements). The word "Ich" is the common name > > for the specific disease, short for "Ichthyophthirius," a protozoan > > parasite which manifests itself as an appearance of a salt-like > > sprinkling of themselves over the skin and fins of the fish. It's > > safely treatable with a heat and salt treatment when it does occur, > > which as previously mentioned, is the result of stress -- most often > > received as a chill. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@> wrote: > > > > > > I know this maybe a strange question to ask but What is ick? > > > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the > > word 'sick' > > > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > > > > > I'm intrigued > > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to ick. > > Are > > > you > > > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? How > > are > > > you > > > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > > > hillstream > > > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can with > > > tropical > > > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved > > somewhere > > > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in > > case, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco from > > pet smart > > > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > > loches and > > > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had > > leeches in > > > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes and > > > ended up > > > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to > > pick them > > > > > off, > > > > > > won't do that again! > > > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their fish. > > > When I go > > > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the employee > > that > > > > > works > > > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying to > > cure the > > > > > sick > > > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week ago > > is now > > > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of curing > > > whatever > > > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick fish > > > though, and > > > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks or > > get the > > > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to > > care). > > > I now > > > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I can > > tell > > > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to buy > > > sick ones > > > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just > > because I > > > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major clean > > because I > > > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I think > > the two > > > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much they > > > have taken > > > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the fish > > first > > > before > > > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for an > > > angel fish. > > > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > > > angels in a > > > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until I > > left > > > that > > > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, then > > you > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from that > > store, > > > > > > > make sure > > > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be hesitant to > > > buy from > > > > > > > a store > > > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their own > > stuff > > > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and plants > > before > > > > > > > selling them > > > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever > > gotten with > > > > > > > plants but > > > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I > > consider > > > them a > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really expensive > > plants > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. most > > catfish > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much more > > active at > > > > > > > night and > > > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on > > > > > the right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I couldn't > > > see one > > > > > > > that i > > > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that > > shows what > > > > > it look > > > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I neglected to > > > ensure i > > > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the plant > > > into the > > > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When looking > > at the > > > > > tank at > > > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank nor > > have I > > > > > seen any > > > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark that I > > saw > > > > > last night > > > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I > > retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that show > > up > > > in our > > > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the years > > while > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for > > someone > > > > > else but I > > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the only > > time I've > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, many of > > our > > > > > aquarium > > > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a > > chance. The > > > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are > > describing > > > > > though and > > > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, it > > > seems you'd > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish and you > > > haven't > > > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - actually > > in > > > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says they > > are > > > most > > > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from > > white to > > > > > black so > > > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > > > clean-up crew > > > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine that > > this > > > is what > > > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and deeper > > as they > > > > > live > > > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you bought > > was a > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots that > > > was in the > > > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > > > harmless but > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. The > > > reason I > > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is because > > I > > > > > constantly > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't vacuum > > > the gravel > > > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually help > > > keep that > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might be > > in other > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl on > > the > > > glass? > > > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if you > > see > > > > > them on > > > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely planaria > > but you > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope to > > be > > > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. Could it > > > just be > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and > > spots > > > as they > > > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the skin, > > > then it > > > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the one > > > that first > > > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were > > black. > > > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I lost > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on > > top. My > > > > > tank is > > > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and our > > male > > > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a white > > > dot type > > > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its facing > > > upward with > > > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side below > > the > > > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in the > > > > > substrate or > > > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should be > > > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. I > > have > > > > > links to > > > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog > > about "Planted > > > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, > > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my > > horror > > > it also > > > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch it > > and took > > > > > it back > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that it was > > > > > harmless and > > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but didn't > > > find any. > > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another one in > > the > > > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, we > > found > > > 4. Does > > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. > > Ensure you > > > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from has > > a very > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light amounts, > > often > > > > > the light > > > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm sure > > a > > > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than enough > > light for > > > > > you. I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I believe > > > (would have > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light plants, > > > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs my > > LFS > > > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the > > regular > > > lights > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in the > > aquarium > > > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest windows > > other > > > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you have > > > to have a > > > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list > > several > > > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with goldfish. I > > > have live > > > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had > > Anacharis > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied goldfish. > > > > > Although the > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I do my > > weekly > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I use. > > I use > > > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant the > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank as > > all > > > that > > > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of > > gravel > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in several > > > clay pots > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull the > > stalks > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any loose > > > stalks and > > > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also have > > and > > > have had > > > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few > > others > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for the > > > most part > > > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and grow > > > right back > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my- diy- > > > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if you > > scroll > > > > > down to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with > > sparse > > > plants, > > > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look at > > the top > > > > > of my > > > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the same > > 65G > > > tank > > > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" since I > > > had to > > > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the > > middle is a > > > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > > > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but they > > > like the > > > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up > > anacharis a > > > > > chance to > > > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new > > shoots > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > > > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that the > > > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can all do > > > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will harass > > those to > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all before > > > making your > > > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- plant- > > habitat- > > > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for > > informational > > > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. > > mainly > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to buy > > > from them, > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. You > > can > > > > > also check > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if > > they've > > > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different goldfish > > > habitat > > > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of the > > page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ 4468/gf_plants. > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo > > wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > > are > > > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I > > keep the > > > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements for > > high, > > > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my comet > > goldfish > > > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36872	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36873	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I’d say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says wait 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don’t know what might be happening with your tank water. Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely no problem after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36874	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Which brand test kit? It sounds like API but I wanted to be sure. For the API kit, you fill the test tube to the line. Add 5 drops of the reagent. CAP (not finger) and shake for 5 seconds. Are you doing the 5 second shake? Then wait 5 minutes. That is the color that you measure against the chart. My tanks, like your tap water, usually turns the light blue immediately and stays that way until the five minute mark. I've never really let it sit around longer to see if changes colors again. Mine have all been 0.0ppm for so long, I don't remember how the test kit might have reacted when I actually had a cycling tank. In either case, if your nitrites are going to the light blue or the light purple color, you are really close to being fully cycled and should be there in the next couple of days at most. After it's fully cycled, your filter media (mostly) will contain the majority of the nitrifying bacteria that you built up. It sounds like your trip to the fish store will be a few hours altogether plus any acclimation that you need to do with the fish once you get them home, depending on the pH and temperature that they've been acclimated to versus your own pH and temp. You mention your two 5G buckets will be around 70F. Do you have a heater in your tank? I'm guessing yes and that it's up near tropical temperatures (78F+). You should try to bring the 5G buckets up closer to that temp also.. at least 75F so that when you add that to the tank (after your 90% PWC), you will not shock your nitrifying bacteria with a drastic change in temperature. You can probably accomplish this by dumping a quart of the water from the 5G and replacing it with a quart to half-gallon of HOT water. My math works out this way. A 5G bucket (20 quarts) at 70F so if you replace 1 quart of 70F water and replace it with 1 quart of 160F water, that would bring the average temp up to 74.5. If you replace 2 quarts of the 70F with 2 quarts of 160F, that would bring the temp up to 79F. I'm using 160F as that is a typical hot water heater temperature. Many are less, some are more. This will also make it more likely that your aquarium heater will have it up to the 78F range that you will need for your new fish. I'm not sure a regular sized aquarium heater would raise 10G of water, at 70F, up to the requisite 78F in a few hours... but it could. I did an experiment on a 10G tank a couple of years ago simulating a failed heater and it raised the temp around 2F per hour at first but then down to only 1F per hour once the heater was also competing with the ambient temperature.. that was using a 50W heater in the 10G tank. All this considered, I would do the 90% PWC with the 75F to 80F water, then right before you leave for the fish, add 1 drop of ammonia per 2 gallons to feed your N-bacteria while you are gone. If they are doing 4-5ppm in 24 hours, then they should do 0.5ppm in four hours so at least you will not have any die off of your good N-bacteria that you've been growing. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36875	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Great idea on how to bring up the temp on the bucket some. I said 70+F as at tank level my office is normally about 74 - 75 F, but the buckets are on the floor, so I know they are cooler. I also raised the temp. on the tank to get the bacteria to grow, so I suppose I should start to back that off some slowly till I get it back to the 77 F that I had it on before I started the cycle. This cycle thing has been a Pain in the A*%, but I have learned thru the process. You can read and read, but actually doing something really brings the info home. I had tried the DR. Tim's method to get out of it, but both my attempts must have been with bottles that had frozen. Like I said though, a little longer to get the fish, but I learned a bit along the way... On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Which brand test kit? It sounds like API but I wanted to be sure. For the > API kit, you fill the test tube to the line. Add 5 drops of the reagent. > CAP (not finger) and shake for 5 seconds. Are you doing the 5 second shake? > Then wait 5 minutes. That is the color that you measure against the chart. > My tanks, like your tap water, usually turns the light blue immediately and > stays that way until the five minute mark. I've never really let it sit > around longer to see if changes colors again. Mine have all been 0.0ppm for > so long, I don't remember how the test kit might have reacted when I > actually had a cycling tank. In either case, if your nitrites are going to > the light blue or the light purple color, you are really close to being > fully cycled and should be there in the next couple of days at most. > > After it's fully cycled, your filter media (mostly) will contain the > majority of the nitrifying bacteria that you built up. It sounds like your > trip to the fish store will be a few hours altogether plus any acclimation > that you need to do with the fish once you get them home, depending on the > pH and temperature that they've been acclimated to versus your own pH and > temp. You mention your two 5G buckets will be around 70F. Do you have a > heater in your tank? I'm guessing yes and that it's up near tropical > temperatures (78F+). You should try to bring the 5G buckets up closer to > that temp also.. at least 75F so that when you add that to the tank (after > your 90% PWC), you will not shock your nitrifying bacteria with a drastic > change in temperature. You can probably accomplish this by dumping a quart > of the water from the 5G and replacing it with a quart to half-gallon of HOT > water. My math works out this way. A 5G bucket (20 quarts) at 70F so if > you replace 1 quart of 70F water and replace it with 1 quart of 160F water, > that would bring the average temp up to 74.5. If you replace 2 quarts of > the 70F with 2 quarts of 160F, that would bring the temp up to 79F. I'm > using 160F as that is a typical hot water heater temperature. Many are > less, some are more. This will also make it more likely that your aquarium > heater will have it up to the 78F range that you will need for your new > fish. I'm not sure a regular sized aquarium heater would raise 10G of > water, at 70F, up to the requisite 78F in a few hours... but it could. I > did an experiment on a 10G tank a couple of years ago simulating a failed > heater and it raised the temp around 2F per hour at first but then down to > only 1F per hour once the heater was also competing with the ambient > temperature.. that was using a 50W heater in the 10G tank. > > All this considered, I would do the 90% PWC with the 75F to 80F water, then > right before you leave for the fish, add 1 drop of ammonia per 2 gallons to > feed your N-bacteria while you are gone. If they are doing 4-5ppm in 24 > hours, then they should do 0.5ppm in four hours so at least you will not > have any die off of your good N-bacteria that you've been growing. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. > With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 > hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of > the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and > stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, > but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If > I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the > nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 > min.? I know I must be close... > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the > filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of > the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. > Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 > predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, > time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36876	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I'd ahve to know what those colors specifically mean. Also be aware that tap water often contains trace amounts of ammonia, as a breakdown product of chloramines, which aer currently used instead of chlorine to disinfect water because it is more stable. Some dechlorinators make the problem worse by breaking down teh chloramines but failing to remove the resulting ammonia. Thus if you test your tap water for ammonia you cuold find levels as high as .2 or .3 ppm of ammonia. This problem can be solved by using enough of a water treatment product like Prime that removes the ammonia. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36877	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. But only once did I see purple color. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says wait 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening with your tank water. Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36878	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I think the original poster’s question was: Why does a nitrite test of my TANK water first turn purple and then fade to clear? He tried it on the tap water just to see if the same thing happened it didn’t. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. But only once did I see purple color. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says wait 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening with your tank water. Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36879	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Dora, Treating his tap water with a product that removes ammonia at this juncture defeats the purpose. It will, when added to the tank, also remove the ammonia that he is adding to start the cycle. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dora Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food > > I'd ahve to know what those colors specifically mean. > > Also be aware that tap water often contains trace amounts of ammonia, as a > breakdown product of chloramines, which aer currently used instead of > chlorine to disinfect water because it is more stable. Some dechlorinators > make the problem worse by breaking down teh chloramines but failing to > remove the resulting ammonia. Thus if you test your tap water for ammonia > you cuold find levels as high as .2 or .3 ppm of ammonia. > > This problem can be solved by using enough of a water treatment product like > Prime that removes the ammonia. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost > clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must > be close... > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ > F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour > trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > add. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is treated with Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a high PH. on my tap water. I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 ppm and above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a couple of dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. Not sure I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the tank just before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was still 8 ppm when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still measures as it did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia is only handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that almost keeps up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. mark brought it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. I did not add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow and add more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again and see what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. Starting to prepare for fish at last! :o) On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive unless > there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is tap water, > right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen it > purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I used were > particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High ammonia levels, > yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, yes. Diatoms ate all > the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. But only once did I see > purple color. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says wait > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at all > (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening with > your tank water. > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely no > problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost > clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must > be close... > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ > F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour > trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > add. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36881	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, they can inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good fishless cycling instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is treated with Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a high PH. on my tap water. I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 ppm and above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a couple of dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. Not sure I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the tank just before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was still 8 ppm when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still measures as it did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia is only handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that almost keeps up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. mark brought it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. I did not add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow and add more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again and see what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. Starting to prepare for fish at last! :o) On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. > But only once did I see purple color. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria without food > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says > wait > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening > with your tank water. > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36882	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. Joey ____________________________________ From: rcristo@... Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroups.com, NFSS@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists...  ----- Original Message ----- From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@...) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... REGARDING H.R. 669... H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is only the first step. Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be effective. We also will use our capwiz tool... It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts of the bill. Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek amendments. Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. We will do this with the capwiz. Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own com Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36883	From: Jasmine	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: question about plants

I can't say for sure that any of the fish ever did get sick that dad had, they may have but considering that he use to rotate them, I would say he may have been fortunate. At work on our classifies, someone was trying to sell 2 tanks for about A$1,500 each (original price being around A$15,000 each). They were 2 meter long tanks LOL. We don't have the room for that size tank let alone the money to buy them. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Sounds like your dad was really into marine fish. Some members would > kill to have just one 6' x 3' x 3' tank (LOL), that had to be great > seeing those fish in those hugh tanks. > > You dad was fortunate that his fish were never sick. Salt water fish > can also get a disease similar to Ich on freshwater fish, called > Cryptocaryon; its also known as "White Spot" although it's not > closely related to the fresh water disease. > > The freshwater disease known as Ich is also known as White Spot and > also "Salt & Pepper Disease," although I don't know where "Pepper" > comes into play; none of the spots are black. The simple term "Ich" > used by most hobbyists, once they learn what it is, is probably more > definitive when describing this particular disease, as there are a > number of other freshwater fish diseases appearing as white spots > (and as you see, Salt & Pepper is not really accurate). Generally > though, "White Spot" Disease is most often recognized as being Ich. > Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ray. > > > > When I was young I recall my dad having 3 tanks (6ft by 3ft by 3ft > > each). He would bring fish in from the ocean then take them back > > after a while and then start all over again. But I never recall him > > talking about the fish being sick. > > > > The way you described the sickness reminds me of Whitespot but > without > > the fuzzness. Yes, your right, i'm a beginner with all this > > eventhough, I've been around fish off and on through my life. But > the > > fish my dad kept were very different to what I have. He had deep > see > > fish (example baby shark, sting rays etc) salt water ones where I > > stick to the tropicals. Maybe one day I will venture into marine > fish. > > > > Thanks > > Jasmine > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Jasmine, Now that you mention it, this is one of the stranger > > > questioned to be asked, but for a beginner whom is not yet > familiar > > > with this it's perfectly sensible. It does happen to be a > sickness, > > > but this is not meant as someone leaving off the "s" from that > word. > > > It's a somewhat common fish illness most often occurring in > beginning > > > hobbyists tank, as they may not yet know much about it or even > how to > > > prevent from getting it in the first place. This does not mean > it > > > can't happen to anyone's fish, nor despite diligence against it > when > > > fish are inadvertently subjected to chills resulting from a power > > > outage (this chill is most often brought on by beginners when > > > transporting fish in cold weather without regard for proper > > > insulation against the elements). The word "Ich" is the common > name > > > for the specific disease, short for "Ichthyophthirius," a > protozoan > > > parasite which manifests itself as an appearance of a salt-like > > > sprinkling of themselves over the skin and fins of the fish. > It's > > > safely treatable with a heat and salt treatment when it does > occur, > > > which as previously mentioned, is the result of stress -- most > often > > > received as a chill. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine" <adonaikam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I know this maybe a strange question to ask but What is ick? > > > > I thought that the 's' may have been left off creating the > > > word 'sick' > > > > but from this post the word 'ick' continues. > > > > > > > > I'm intrigued > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That's not fun with loaches, since they are so sensitive to > ick. > > > Are > > > > you > > > > > dosing the whole tank and raising the temps and adding salt? > How > > > are > > > > you > > > > > fighting your ick with your clown loaches? If I get ick on my > > > > hillstream > > > > > loaches I can't raise the temps as high as most people can > with > > > > tropical > > > > > fish since they are a colder water fish. I have a post saved > > > somewhere > > > > > with tips for hillstream loach keepers that get ick, just in > > > case, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I made that big mistake two i purchase one single pleco > from > > > pet smart > > > > > > that was 4 weeks ago now im a battle with ick on my clown > > > loches and > > > > > > my serpa tetras now.... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > <amber@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be afraid to stick my hand in the tank if I had > > > leeches in > > > > > > > there, LOL. I once went wading in one of our local lakes > and > > > > ended up > > > > > > > with little leeches all over my feet/ankles, and I had to > > > pick them > > > > > > off, > > > > > > > won't do that again! > > > > > > > I know how you feel about LFS's not quarantining their > fish. > > > > When I go > > > > > > > in I make it a point to show them the sick fish, the > employee > > > that > > > > > > works > > > > > > > wedsnesday through saturday is really good about trying > to > > > cure the > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > fish. The synodontis that was really awful about a week > ago > > > is now > > > > > > > looking normal and healthy again, she did a good job of > curing > > > > whatever > > > > > > > was wrong with the tank though. They often get in sick > fish > > > > though, and > > > > > > > I don't think they care if they put them into dirty tanks > or > > > get the > > > > > > > other fish sick (well at least the owner doesn't seem to > > > care). > > > > I now > > > > > > > watch what I'm buying very closely before buying it so I > can > > > tell > > > > > > > before-hand if I need to medicate the fish (I try not to > buy > > > > sick ones > > > > > > > at all, but I got rams with ich a couple months back just > > > because I > > > > > > > really wanted rams, LOL bad me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem to see more of the BN since we did a major > clean > > > because I > > > > > > > > moved the fixtures around in the tank as well. AND I > think > > > the two > > > > > > > > upside down cat fish we have, they have grown so much > they > > > > have taken > > > > > > > > his favorite hiding place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So true about pets stores that don't quarantine the > fish > > > first > > > > before > > > > > > > > on-selling. I was horrified when I went in looking for > an > > > > angel fish. > > > > > > > > The store assistance told me that they were getting more > > > > angels in a > > > > > > > > few weeks and to come back then. It never twigged until > I > > > left > > > > that > > > > > > > > they must not quarantine there fish before the on sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. If yours are just like the ones in the YouTube, > then > > > you > > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > have a leech or more. Next time you get plants from > that > > > store, > > > > > > > > make sure > > > > > > > > > you sanitize them first... in fact, I would be > hesitant to > > > > buy from > > > > > > > > a store > > > > > > > > > that was not taking some steps to quarantine their > own > > > stuff > > > > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most good stores will quarantine their fish and > plants > > > before > > > > > > > > selling them > > > > > > > > > to folks. Snails are about the worst thing I've ever > > > gotten with > > > > > > > > plants but > > > > > > > > > snails don't bother me like they do some people. I > > > consider > > > > them a > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > part of the ecology. I guess if I had really > expensive > > > plants > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > snails were eating up my plants, I might be more > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your pleco is probably more active at night also.. > most > > > catfish > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > nocturnal. I know my plecos have always been much > more > > > active at > > > > > > > > night and > > > > > > > > > will seek darkened areas when the tank lights are on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on > > > > > > the right > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives > > > by > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:11 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the links that you provided and I > couldn't > > > > see one > > > > > > > > that i > > > > > > > > > recognized however, I did find a link to a utube that > > > shows what > > > > > > it look > > > > > > > > > like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig> > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCshgWf_Ig>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it definitely came in with a plant, I > neglected to > > > > ensure i > > > > > > > > cleaned > > > > > > > > > it before putting into the tank. When I placed the > plant > > > > into the > > > > > > > > tank, I > > > > > > > > > saw the leech float down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had them all but obviously not. When > looking > > > at the > > > > > > tank at > > > > > > > > > night, I haven't noticed any on the side of the tank > nor > > > have I > > > > > > seen any > > > > > > > > > attached to any of the fish - thank God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at the BN Pelco tonight and the mark > that I > > > saw > > > > > > last night > > > > > > > > > wasn't there tonight. It looked find but just hung > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have another look at the tank tonight before I > > > retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are pages with commonly found "critters" that > show > > > up > > > > in our > > > > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > I've read through these pages many times over the > years > > > while > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > to identify a new critter in one of my tanks or for > > > someone > > > > > > else but I > > > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > > > recall your critter description... but then the > only > > > time I've > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > seen leaches were in outdoor ponds.. of course, > many of > > > our > > > > > > aquarium > > > > > > > > > plants are > > > > > > > > > > first grown in outdoor ponds so there's always a > > > chance. The > > > > > > > > > leaches that > > > > > > > > > > I've seen were always bigger than what you are > > > describing > > > > > > though and > > > > > > > > > > are generally blood-suckers so if they are leaches, > it > > > > seems you'd > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > them trying to or actually attached to your fish > and you > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > > indicated that > > > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml> > > > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml > > > > > > <http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Tank_critters.shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm> > > > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm> > > > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm > > > > > > <http://www.menunkatuck.org/pages/micro2.htm>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html?http://microscopy- > > > uk.org.uk/pond/inde>> > > > > > > > > > > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm> > > > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm > > > > > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/worms.htm>> - > actually > > > in > > > > > > > > > glancing at > > > > > > > > > > the description for Planaria on this page it says > they > > > are > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > commonly brown to gray in color but can range from > > > white to > > > > > > black so > > > > > > > > > > this may > > > > > > > > > be what > > > > > > > > > > you have. I've only seen them in off-white color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have them in my Cherry Shrimp tank as part of the > > > > clean-up crew > > > > > > > > > and mine > > > > > > > > > > are always an off-white color. If you determine > that > > > this > > > > is what > > > > > > > > > you have, > > > > > > > > > > you should start vacuuming your gravel more and > deeper > > > as they > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > off of > > > > > > > > > > excess detritus in the gravel. If the plant you > bought > > > was a > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > plant, > > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance they came in with the roots > that > > > > was in the > > > > > > > > > > gravel/substrate of the original tank/pond. They are > > > > harmless but > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > indicate that you may not be cleaning well enough. > The > > > > reason I > > > > > > > > > have them > > > > > > > > > > and don't mind them in my Cherry Shrimp tank is > because > > > I > > > > > > constantly > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > dozens of baby shrimp crawling around so I can't > vacuum > > > > the gravel > > > > > > > > > as well > > > > > > > > > > as I'd like to so the planaria and snails actually > help > > > > keep that > > > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > clean, instead of being a nuisance like they might > be > > > in other > > > > > > tanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do "your" worms mostly come out at night and crawl > on > > > the > > > > glass? > > > > > > > > > Check out > > > > > > > > > > the tank at night with a small flashlight to see if > you > > > see > > > > > > them on > > > > > > > > > > the glass. If yes, then they are most likely > planaria > > > but you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > need to catch one and look at it under a microscope > to > > > be > > > > certain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep an eye on that white spot on the BN Pleco. > Could it > > > > just be > > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > it's coloration? They will change their stripes and > > > spots > > > > as they > > > > > > > > > grow. If > > > > > > > > > > it's something that is definitely raised above the > skin, > > > > then it > > > > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > > > something worse.. or just a benign growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, > > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:45 AM > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully stretched they would have been about 1", the > one > > > > that first > > > > > > > > > caught my > > > > > > > > > > eye today was greyish in colour the remainder were > > > black. > > > > > > > > > > The greyish one slipped back into the tank and I > lost > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have river gravel in the tank, with the filter on > > > top. My > > > > > > tank is > > > > > > > > > a 'Aqua > > > > > > > > > > One AR-980'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching the fish after feeding tonight and > our > > > male > > > > > > > > > Bristlenose was > > > > > > > > > > out with its back facing us. It appears to have a > white > > > > dot type > > > > > > > > > mark on > > > > > > > > > > its back (while looking at the bristlenose, its > facing > > > > upward with > > > > > > > > > its back > > > > > > > > > > toward you, the mark is located on its left side > below > > > the > > > > eye). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How big were they? What color? Are they living in > the > > > > > > substrate or > > > > > > > > > > on/in > > > > > > > > > > > the plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in saying that plants should > be > > > > > > quarantined and > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > are also ways to sanitize and disinfect them too. > I > > > have > > > > > > links to > > > > > > > > > > > sanitizing/disinfecting plants on my blog > > > about "Planted > > > > Tanks". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, > > > > > > > > > alphabetically > > > > > > > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a year ago I got a plant to my tank, to my > > > horror > > > > it also > > > > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > > > > > > what I thought was a leech. We managed to catch > it > > > and took > > > > > > it back > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > aquarium shop I got it from - they told me that > it was > > > > > > harmless and > > > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > > > harm the fish. We kept an eye out for more but > didn't > > > > find any. > > > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > > > several months later, my partner found another > one in > > > the > > > > > > tank. A > > > > > > > > > > > year later, today, while doing my water change, > we > > > found > > > > 4. Does > > > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > > know how > > > > > > > > > > > to eradicate them from the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is, if you are going to buy plants. > > > Ensure you > > > > > > > > > > > quartenteen them first. The place I got mine from > has > > > a very > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > > > > but they > > > > > > > > > > > still didn't have clean plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what kind of plants you get. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anubias will be fine with very low light > amounts, > > > often > > > > > > the light > > > > > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > > > > > > window is enough for them for most people. I'm > sure > > > a > > > > > > cheap shop > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > with fluorescent bulbs would be more than > enough > > > light for > > > > > > you. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > one with 2 bulbs in it that are 80 watts I > believe > > > > (would have > > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > > check the box downstairs, LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use plant lights for your low light > plants, > > > > > > Lenny? I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering whether I really need the $67 bulbs > my > > > LFS > > > > > > told me I > > > > > > > > > > > > > will need for my 55g tank in addition to the > > > regular > > > > lights > > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > > > > > use low light plants? There are windows in > the > > > aquarium > > > > > > room, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but they are north windows. The nearest > windows > > > other > > > > > > than that > > > > > > > > > > > > > are about 12 > > > > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > > > away and are east windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For goldfish, which will eat many plants, you > have > > > > to have a > > > > > > > > > > > strategy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some success. Further below, I will list > > > several > > > > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on having live plants with > goldfish. I > > > > have live > > > > > > > > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my fancy goldfish with success and also had > > > Anacharis > > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ponds, when I had them, with long-bodied > goldfish. > > > > > > Although the > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still like to redecorate the plants, when I > do my > > > weekly > > > > > > tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant the plants in the clay pots that I > use. > > > I use > > > > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > > > > so I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a couple/few inches of gravel to plant > the > > > > plants in > > > > > > > > > > > > > without having to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that much gravel in the rest of the tank > as > > > all > > > > that > > > > > > > > gravel > > > > > > > > > > > > > just holds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too much detritus. I only have 1/2" to 1" of > > > gravel > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish > > > > > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anacharis is a primary plant that I use in > several > > > > clay pots > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goldfish will nibble on it and sometimes pull > the > > > stalks > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use a claw tool to grab the base of any > loose > > > > stalks and > > > > > > > > > > > re-shove them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back into the clay pots every week. I also > have > > > and > > > > have had > > > > > > > > > > > plants like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crypts, Sags, Hornwort, Guppy Grass and a few > > > others > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick with low-light, easy-to-grow plants for > the > > > > most part > > > > > > > > > > > > > since these seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to take abuse a little better and > grow > > > > right back > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 65G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/my- > diy- > > > > 2000-big- > > > > > > > > > > > tank-stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > html when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first built my DIY stand and set it up and if > you > > > scroll > > > > > > down to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picture, you'll see the tank, clay pots with > > > sparse > > > > plants, > > > > > > > > > > > driftwood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the day I first set it up and if you look > at > > > the top > > > > > > of my > > > > > > > > > > > blog, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > header picture at the top of my blog is the > same > > > 65G > > > > tank > > > > > > > > now, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later... although it looks longer than 48" > since I > > > > had to > > > > > > > > > > > > > stretch the image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fill the frame. :-P The BIG plant in the > > > middle is a > > > > > > > > Crypt... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRYPTOCORYNE WENDTII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticp lantcentral. com/forumapc/ > > > > plantfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.php? id=71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the goldfish do not even nibble on it but > they > > > > like the > > > > > > > > > > > anacharis. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utility purposes and to give any beaten up > > > anacharis a > > > > > > chance to > > > > > > > > > > > recover, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it floating until it starts to grow new > > > shoots > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > > > roots > > > > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-plant it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here are all them goldfish planted tank > > > > articles that I > > > > > > > > > > > > > promised.. with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key being to put in enough plants so that > the > > > > > > nibbling will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out among a lot of plants so that they can > all do > > > > OK. If you > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of plants, then the goldfish will > harass > > > those to > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > Listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alphabetical order so read over them all > before > > > > making your > > > > > > > > > > > > > final decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.azgarden s.com/c-66- goldfish- > plant- > > > habitat- > > > > > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > > > > aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Disclaimer - while I list this site for > > > informational > > > > > > > > purposes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both good and bad about the actual company.. > > > mainly > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpectedly high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shipping charges added on so if you choose to > buy > > > > from them, > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in writing before giving them your C.C. info. > You > > > can > > > > > > also check > > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BBBonline.com and Google searches to see if > > > they've > > > > > > fixed their > > > > > > > > > > > image.. or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. You'll see they have three different > goldfish > > > > habitat > > > > > > > > > > > packages that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they sell with links to each at the bottom of > the > > > page.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/Tokyo/ > 4468/gf_plants. > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kokosgol dfish.com/ Plants.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ GoldfishPlantsLo > > > wTech.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thegab. org/Articles/ PottedPlants. > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > reply > > > are > > > > > > listed on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > > Archives by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > > > > > > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of janis_chrystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for plants for my 49 gal tank. I > > > keep the > > > > > > light on > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours.....what are the lighting requirements > for > > > high, > > > > > > med and > > > > > > > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plants...can I plant any plant in pots my > comet > > > goldfish > > > > > > loves > > > > > > > > > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plant roots thank you Janis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36884	From: gail	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

Would you recommend Melafix? I know that helps mine when they have torn fins or sores. --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 12:07 AM Yes, torn, shredded or nipped fins will grow back as long as they do not go missing all the way down to the peduncle (on the tail fin, where the fin connects to the body). What size tank? What kind of fish do you have? How many of each? Anything new in the tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.? I imagine it hurts a little but probably not like a body injury would hurt. Fish certainly react when another fish nips at their fins. There are also diseases that can cause fins to look ripped or nipped which is why I asked about your water parameters. In the meantime, start doing more frequent PWC's and tank/filter maintenance as the cleaner the water, the better it is for the fish to heal up properly.. one less stressor for them. Try to watch your fish and see if one or more of your fish are nipping or chasing other fish more than what might be considered playing. Some fish have a higher propensity to become nippers but any fish can become one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? my lovley fancy guppy and black high fin tetras fins were reasently riped or are now missing a piece(dont know how it happend) will they heal or regrow over time. i would hate to think that this damage was permanent. will this lessen there qwality of life? duse it caws them pain? is there anyway i can aide in there healing? thanks much anna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36885	From: Dora Smith	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

I'm missing one key detail. Exactly what would the bill do? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <joesbirds@...> To: <anubiasdesign@yahoogroups.com>; <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@yahoogroups.com>; <unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. Joey ____________________________________ From: rcristo@... Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroups.com, NFSS@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists...  ----- Original Message ----- From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@...) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... REGARDING H.R. 669... H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is only the first step. Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be effective. We also will use our capwiz tool... It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts of the bill. Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek amendments. Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. We will do this with the capwiz. Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own com Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36886	From: gail	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: My mystery Cichlid

http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an earth eater. Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated species genus name) He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel sifter. Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? thanks in advance!! -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36887	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

I DO NOT think the picture you have is of Geophagus Tapajos Redhead. I think it was properly ID'ed before. The picture you have shows white spots on the tail where the G. Tapajos redhead fish has dark colored horizontal stripes on the tail, pectoral and anal fins. In either case, they are S. American cichlids where you currently have a motley mix of African's and maybe one S. American from what I remember... which are already going to give you trouble. You need to go read all of the profiles that I've already given you on your current fish, especially the Mongabay profiles which has a section called "Suggested Companions" and stick with compatible tank mates. You also need to work out a plan to rehome some of your current cichlids before they start growing up more and get aggressive against each other. Here's more info on the G. tapajos redhead... http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1002 http://fish.mongabay.com/eartheaters.htm http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=465 http://www.cichlidforums.com/cichlidbase/index.php/profiles/Geophagus-sp.-Re dhead-Tapajos-191.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My mystery Cichlid http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an earth eater. Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated species genus name) He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel sifter. Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? thanks in advance!! -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36888	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

I agree. That's what I've always used. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:36:54 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? Would you recommend Melafix? I know that helps mine when they have torn fins or sores. --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 12:07 AM Yes, torn, shredded or nipped fins will grow back as long as they do not go missing all the way down to the peduncle (on the tail fin, where the fin connects to the body). What size tank? What kind of fish do you have? How many of each? Anything new in the tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.? I imagine it hurts a little but probably not like a body injury would hurt. Fish certainly react when another fish nips at their fins. There are also diseases that can cause fins to look ripped or nipped which is why I asked about your water parameters. In the meantime, start doing more frequent PWC's and tank/filter maintenance as the cleaner the water, the better it is for the fish to heal up properly.. one less stressor for them. Try to watch your fish and see if one or more of your fish are nipping or chasing other fish more than what might be considered playing. Some fish have a higher propensity to become nippers but any fish can become one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? my lovley fancy guppy and black high fin tetras fins were reasently riped or are now missing a piece(dont know how it happend) will they heal or regrow over time. i would hate to think that this damage was permanent. will this lessen there qwality of life? duse it caws them pain? is there anyway i can aide in there healing? thanks much anna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36889	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

Gail, If it is indeed called a Tapajos, then it is a Geophagus sp "tapajos orange head", which means it has not been described yet, and it is an eartheater, as geophagus means eartheater, as were the other species mentioned as possible for identification of the photo you had. Comparing with the photo you posted, the head seems to be a different shape in your photo from the other photos I have found online, and that makes a big difference when identifying the fish. There is poor coloration in the fish in your photo. While color is not a big factor in scientific identification, it is on the hobbyist level, and the poor coloration exhibited in your photo makes a comparison near impossible. There is a fair write up on the fish at http://www.tropicalfishforums.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=5231. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] My mystery Cichlid > > http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an earth eater. > Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated species genus name) > He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. > He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel sifter. > > Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? > > > thanks in advance!! > -gail > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36890	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

It won't hurt but you never did say how bad the fin tears/nips were. If only slight, I would not medicate a tank over that, just keep the water in good condition by doing frequent PWC's. If bad, then the fish should probably be quarantined and treated accordingly. But if you do not figure out who is doing the nipping and fix that issue, then medicating all you want will not solve the problem. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? Would you recommend Melafix? I know that helps mine when they have torn fins or sores. --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 12:07 AM Yes, torn, shredded or nipped fins will grow back as long as they do not go missing all the way down to the peduncle (on the tail fin, where the fin connects to the body). What size tank? What kind of fish do you have? How many of each? Anything new in the tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.? I imagine it hurts a little but probably not like a body injury would hurt. Fish certainly react when another fish nips at their fins. There are also diseases that can cause fins to look ripped or nipped which is why I asked about your water parameters. In the meantime, start doing more frequent PWC's and tank/filter maintenance as the cleaner the water, the better it is for the fish to heal up properly.. one less stressor for them. Try to watch your fish and see if one or more of your fish are nipping or chasing other fish more than what might be considered playing. Some fish have a higher propensity to become nippers but any fish can become one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] do riped fins regrow/heal? my lovley fancy guppy and black high fin tetras fins were reasently riped or are now missing a piece(dont know how it happend) will they heal or regrow over time. i would hate to think that this damage was permanent. will this lessen there qwality of life? duse it caws them pain? is there anyway i can aide in there healing? thanks much anna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36891	From: Leanna	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

im glad to heare that there not in exstraeam pain i was really worried about that. i wish i new who the nipper was, i spend a lot of time watching my tank and i almost never see ny biting. i figure that they just got in a small taratorial dispiute. i havient seen any fierther damage. the rip in the guppys fin is just so, no pieces missing. but the highfin black tetra has about 1/3 of his lower fin gone. like a full moon goes to a cresent moon. it still has a border around most of it but theres almost no center. i still dont know the waters pramiters i cant order the test kit tell tusday(payday) and than i dont know how long it will take to get here. but i promis as soon as i can i will post them to the powder blue grami thred that i started a wile back.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

OK. Well, until you are able to test your water to know, it's best to just do frequent PWC's (partial water changes) to be on the safe side... even daily if you can. Siphon vacuum the detritus out of the gravel and properly clean your filters once or twice a week also which will further assure that the water stays in good shape. Fresh, clean water is the best thing we can give our fish and doesn't cost much money, if any.... and much less than all the medicines or chemicals that the stores try to sell people when the fish get sick. I just went back and looked at a couple of your first messages back in December and I see you have a 10G tank. You had a Corydoras catfish, 5 neon tetras and a trio of guppies, 2 males, 1 female that was pregnant. I'm guessing she popped out some babies. Did any survive? Hopefully not since your tank can't really handle more fish. You were also asking about a powder blue dwarf gourami and we explained that you had more than enough fish in your 10G tank already... especially since it was still rater new... just a couple of weeks old at the time. Have you added more fish, since you now mention the high fin black tetra and you never mentioned it before... how many of them did you get? You also mention the Gourami in this thread... did you get it too? Give us a list of your fish and numbers again so we can best help. Remember that in a crowded tank, fish will be more likely to become fin nippers. This increases if you have fish that should be in schools and you don't have a full school. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: do riped fins regrow/heal? im glad to heare that there not in exstraeam pain i was really worried about that. i wish i new who the nipper was, i spend a lot of time watching my tank and i almost never see ny biting. i figure that they just got in a small taratorial dispiute. i havient seen any fierther damage. the rip in the guppys fin is just so, no pieces missing. but the highfin black tetra has about 1/3 of his lower fin gone. like a full moon goes to a cresent moon. it still has a border around most of it but theres almost no center. i still dont know the waters pramiters i cant order the test kit tell tusday(payday) and than i dont know how long it will take to get here. but i promis as soon as i can i will post them to the powder blue grami thred that i started a wile back.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36893	From: palusod	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: aggressive fish with babies

I have 4 mollies in my tank right now, 1 male and 3 females. One female has already had 20 babies and most of them survived because there was nothing in the tank to eat them. My question is, is there a fish that will help control the amount of babies in my tank without harming my other fish?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36894	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I'm missing one key detail. Exactly what would the bill do? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. Joey ____________________________________ From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists...  ----- Original Message ----- From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... REGARDING H.R. 669... H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is only the first step. Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be effective. We also will use our capwiz tool... It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts of the bill. Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek amendments. Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. We will do this with the capwiz. Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own com Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com? <http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023> ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36895	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Eclipse tank discussion from another group

FYI From the other group I belong to a discussion of the Eclipse tank and this is a copy of the e-mail I sent to the company... Robert, Below is a cut and paste of the applicable parts of an actual message on an active fish group about your Eclipse brand tanks. It will take a while, but your sales and good name will be trashed with any serious amateur fish keeper. Many people check out what they buy with these people before hand, actually I had, but before the people had found out about the change in construction materials. I freely admit that I choose your product because it was cheaper than others that I considered, and because it was wider than deep. But I would have been happy to pay more for a tank that was made out of quality plastic. With the internet the word of mouth effect can have serious consequences. As it stands now I will not recommend your product, privately or publicly... Hey, marketing strategy, NEW and IMPROVED - Now made out of Polycarbonate! View is improved, and will not scratch easily! On a side note.... > Is this a new Eclipse tank? Just curious to whether or not it's the > old style or the new type of acrylic. The old style was made out of > polycarbonate and the new polystyrene. The latter is a cheaper, VERY > easily scratched plastic, where as the older type is what I call > a "softer" plastic and much less easily scratched. > If you have a newer model (made after 04..possibly 06), it'll be the > polystyrene. If it is, I would advise you *not* to even wipe the tank > down with anything except a microfiber towel, and don't even dare use > an acrylic algae scrubber on them either. You will scratch it up > badly. > I am currently going back and forth (via email) with Marineland's > customer service rep (Rob Huber) about this very subject. I have been > explaining to the company about why the change is so bad. I was told > it was to cut manufacturing costs. > People buying these new types for the first time will not know the > difference, or how much better the quality of the acrylic that they > used to made out of. ************************************************** Yes it is, darn it. The thing is I did not know anything about the change. I had heard good things about the series of tanks and when it was on sale at Dr.s F&S I decided to buy one. Wish I had looked into the bio cube more now. It certainly does scratch up, and I do use a cloth for cleaning your eyeglasses or camera lens now. I have it rubber banded to a scrapper pad that is suppose to be for acrylic tanks. If it were not for the cloth the scratches would be horrible. Add my name to the list of people that feel they did the research, and then got ripped off. In fact before I saw your post, I thought it was a China counterfit and was going to see what could be done. When I move to a new place and I retire from my job, it will be a H&Q tank for sure. I also do not think I want a tank that is not glass any more. No matter what I buy in the future I will certainly see one out of the box and check it out close. Taken ************************************************** PLEASE email your concerns about the scratching issues. I too totally thought it was a counterfeit one! I called the company up and asked if that were possible. Don't bother calling the customer service number. I did at first and was told *no* that they had not changed the plastic. Hence my thinking it was a fraudulent tank. Here is the email address to * Robert Huber - United Pet Group, Aquatics Div. - Senior Consumer Relations Specialist * Robert.Huber@... Please do send him your concerns, everything you've said here. The only way the company will go back to using the polycarbonate acrylic is if enough customers complain. The polystyrene is the type that's bad. <No matter what I buy in the future I will certainly see one out > of the box and check it out close. I actually went to store, after store doing that very thing when I was looking for an Eclipse 6. Every darn one came out of the box already scratched up badly. This is how they come off the assembly line. Just curious, are the sides of your System 12 all wavy? You can see how bad it is when looking from the front...through the side. Whatever is behind that view will look all wavy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36896	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

It is not only fish, but all animals: "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring thereof;" With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means bye-bye fish farms. Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic to the watershed where they were stocked. Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dora Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are reasons > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > Joey > > ____________________________________ > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > >  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is only the > first step. > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, and > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > effective. > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts of > the > bill. > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily fishes > and > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there will be a > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision > needs > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek amendments. > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking points, and > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach > their > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC due to > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails and faxes > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives > person > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must > send > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare and > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can > present > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want to do > is > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and RESPECT for > the > legislator. > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage for > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > We will do this with the capwiz. > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always > use your > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. (Saturday > and > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your > message. > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking > points. You can always use your own com > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36897	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: aggressive fish with babies

What size tank? Do you have multiple tanks or do you plan on more tanks? Normally, if there is not a lot of hiding places like bushy plants, etc., the adult fish will eat the majority of the babies but since you say that 20 survived, I'll presume you must have had plenty of hiding places for the newborn fry. If you have a large enough tank, it could support a "community" of mollies but if it's only a 10G or 20G tank, then you will need to take steps to severely control the rapid reproduction of these fish. I feel it's best to have all male livebearers (mollies, platys, guppies) in small tanks so you don't have any breeding so if you have a small tank, you should look at trading in the females and get all males. Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine had a nice long article on "Community Tanks" in the most recent edition that I have.. I think it was the February 2009 edition... that also talked about having a community tank where you let nature take it's course where only a couple of fry will survive each birthing and then you end up with a multi-generation "community" tank of the same kind of fish. You may be able to find the article online at the TFH website. I just checked the "Current Issue" page http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/ and it's already showing the March issue and I don't see a way to look at the February issue unless you subscribe to the magazine. If you do subscribe to the printed edition or the digital edition, you will have access to past issues that can be read online. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of palusod Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] aggressive fish with babies I have 4 mollies in my tank right now, 1 male and 3 females. One female has already had 20 babies and most of them survived because there was nothing in the tank to eat them. My question is, is there a fish that will help control the amount of babies in my tank without harming my other fish?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36898	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: question about snails

my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the door will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it though. i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36899	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

I've decided I'm going to give up pet fish and start keeping pet PeTA babes... maybe a few of the ones from their latest commercials would be willing? <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about It is not only fish, but all animals: "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring thereof;" With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means bye-bye fish farms. Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic to the watershed where they were stocked. Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ > <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > Joey > > ____________________________________ > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, NFSS@yahoogroups. > <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > >  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > only the first step. > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, > and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > effective. > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts > of the bill. > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), > there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that > means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire > bill or to seek amendments. > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send > regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax > detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our > legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home > territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be > in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a > letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they > can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused > with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage > for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > We will do this with the capwiz. > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical > talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will > make a difference.. (Saturday and > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in > your message. > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > talking points. You can always use your own com > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36900	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

She does not want to kill them all at once as their dying, rotting carcasses will completely foul the tank. First she needs to figure out why she's getting such a snail explosion... usually due to excessive food source in the tank... a dead fish, over feeding, dying plants, not vacuuming the gravel properly, etc. Give us more details. Once we figure out the cause, then fixing that will cause the snails to quit procreating so much. They are opportunistic breeders so they only procreate based on the available food supply. Once that is solved, then she can simply use snail traps... like a piece of spinach or romaine lettuce on a string and then leave it overnight and reel in the bait in the morning with a bunch of snails attached. Or a plate with an algae wafer on it, left overnight or a few hours and then pick it up with bunch of snails on it. Or hand picking them out. What kind of loach? Some species are prolific snail eaters.. or maybe she bought one for her snail problem and it just can't keep up due to one of the reasons I listed in the first paragraph. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question about snails my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the door will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it though. i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36901	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

will have to ask her more about the feeding habits etc, or better yet get her to join and she can get lots of great info from this site :)) i know she does not have lots of fish in the tank, the cooli loach, a bornea sucker, and a couple of other fish, forget which ones now will let you know what she says Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36902	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

The best cure, out of the possibly thousand that are out there is not to let the snails get into the tank in the first place. <g>. Now that the barn door has been discovered open, It needs to be closed and the snails rounded up. Snails will only thrive if there is food enough for them to do so. All dead and dying vegetable matter should be removed from the tank. Care should be taken not to over feed the fish in the tank. Excessive algal growth should be removed. Once this has been accomplished, you are going to feed the snails a weighted lettuce leaf each night, and remove it with its load of snails each morning. Depending on the actual population, this could take a week or more to be fairly effective. (sometimes people have a few snails in the tank and they claim the snails are taking over.) Crushing individual snails against the glass will kill them, and provide the fish with a bit of extra food, and probably suffice to remove the rest. If snail eggs are espied in the tank, they should be removed. If they are on the glass, simply scraping them off with a single edge bladed should do the trick, just be careful around the silicone seams. If they are on plants, the leaf they are on would need to be removed. Your friend will need to be vigilant until she reaches the point where she can live with the remaining snail population. That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:56 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about snails > > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid > of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the > door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the > loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the > other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night > when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it > though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to > read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be > very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36903	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Books and Magazines

I have been getting books from the library and have a book by Dr. Ashley Ward, titled Questions and Answers on Freshwater Aquarium Fishes. This is a great book for fish keepers that want to know more about behavior, and fun fish facts. I know that the experts will know all that is contained in there, but many of us newer to the hobby will find it VERY informative. It is not another how to set up a tank, and index of popular fish, as so many books are. I note it is from TFH, Tropical Fish Hobbyist, and I was wondering about the magazine. Is it a must have? What are the better books and Magazines out there to get? I have them send the books from larger libraries and would like to request the best books instead of filtering through till I find a winner.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36904	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish

That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. i can imagine. one of the fish opened its mouth while i was there and i thought geez reminds me of a snake (unhinge the jaw so mouth opens wider) it had a really big mouth for a fish about 2 1/2 to 3 inches long :) they seem to be not very active fish, just hides along side a leaf. made me think "hiding in wait ............." not a fish i want to have, i just though they were neat looking .... :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36905	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

All the ideas here are great ways to clear up the problem of snails. I just want to add one more that I just read about not 15 min. ago... http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/ Look at the clone crayfish article. Says they do not bother fish and love snails. However due to the cloning issues they might be a problem in their own right... On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried > several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and > she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails > permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am > headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she > uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in > salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had > none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia > something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, > they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write > down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live > plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any > there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... > then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in > ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36906	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Books and Magazines

Out of all the aquarium magazines out there that I've subscribed to over the years, TFH is the best. AFM (Aquarium Fish Magazine, now called Aquarium Fish International), while one of the other popular magazines, often gives really bad info in their Q&A section and many of their articles where you'll rarely see bad info in TFH. Unfortunately, AFM is much cheaper than TFH... which is probably why it stays popular with beginners... and beginners are the ones who need good info the most and do not always get it with AFM. TFH also publishes and/or distributes books that ARE NOT so good... one of which I got when I recently re-subscribed for two years and got a free book. I reviewed the book out here and on my blog and the book had some really bad overstocking of a tank advice. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:35 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Books and Magazines I have been getting books from the library and have a book by Dr. Ashley Ward, titled Questions and Answers on Freshwater Aquarium Fishes. This is a great book for fish keepers that want to know more about behavior, and fun fish facts. I know that the experts will know all that is contained in there, but many of us newer to the hobby will find it VERY informative. It is not another how to set up a tank, and index of popular fish, as so many books are. I note it is from TFH, Tropical Fish Hobbyist, and I was wondering about the magazine. Is it a must have? What are the better books and Magazines out there to get? I have them send the books from larger libraries and would like to request the best books instead of filtering through till I find a winner.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36907	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Strange Zebra Danio

Biologically speaking, what matters is, do leopard and striped danios mate and make viable eggs? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36908	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

LOL. Pet PETA babes. But I like my pets to be cute, or atleast interesting Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I've decided I'm going to give up pet fish and start keeping pet PeTA babes... maybe a few of the ones from their latest commercials would be willing? <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about It is not only fish, but all animals: "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring thereof;" With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means bye-bye fish farms. Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic to the watershed where they were stocked. Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ > <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > Joey > > ____________________________________ > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, NFSS@yahoogroups. > <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > >  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > only the first step. > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, > and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > effective. > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts > of the bill. > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), > there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that > means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire > bill or to seek amendments. > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send > regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax > detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our > legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home > territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be > in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a > letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they > can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused > with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage > for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > We will do this with the capwiz. > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical > talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will > make a difference.. (Saturday and > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in > your message. > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > talking points. You can always use your own com > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36909	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish

Also be aware that some stores sell "spotted leaf fish" but most of them are climbing perches. Which are still not good to keep with smaller fish. They will eat anything that fits in their mouth. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:39:35 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] was question about snails now leaf fish That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. i can imagine. one of the fish opened its mouth while i was there and i thought geez reminds me of a snake (unhinge the jaw so mouth opens wider) it had a really big mouth for a fish about 2 1/2 to 3 inches long :) they seem to be not very active fish, just hides along side a leaf. made me think "hiding in wait ............." not a fish i want to have, i just though they were neat looking .... :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36910	From: Darlene	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish

i was just reading on mongabay about this fish ........... it grows to 3 feet and needs live foods, like other fish....... i guess i don't want one anymore since i can't see feeding other fish to the rope fish or taking the chance that it thinks the live fish are better than earth worms, brine shrimp or tubifex worms i would have to feed it :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36911	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

I happen to find the PeTA babes very cute... no... let me change that to VERY HOT... and that makes them very, very interesting... but heck.. I'm just a male chauvinist pig that wants to come back as a pumpkin when I die! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about LOL. Pet PETA babes. But I like my pets to be cute, or atleast interesting Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I've decided I'm going to give up pet fish and start keeping pet PeTA babes... maybe a few of the ones from their latest commercials would be willing? <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about It is not only fish, but all animals: "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring thereof;" With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means bye-bye fish farms. Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic to the watershed where they were stocked. Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ > <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > reasons for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > Joey > > ____________________________________ > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, NFSS@yahoogroups. > <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > >  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > only the first step. > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting it, > and using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > effective. > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against parts > of the bill. > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > fishes and other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), > there will be a strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that > means a decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire > bill or to seek amendments. > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > points, and put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > people to reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send > regular mail to DC due to mail being processed thru an anthrax > detection system. So, emails and faxes will more quickly reach our > legislators. Also, phone calls and VISISTS when they are in home > territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives person will be > in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must send a > letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > and present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they > can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > not want to do is come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > passionate with our comments, but that passion needs to be infused > with reason and RESPECT for the legislator. > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next stage > for the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > We will do this with the capwiz. > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > always use your own comments, but it helps to include some critical > talking points in your message. Even how you TITLE your email will > make a difference.. (Saturday and > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in > your message. > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > talking points. You can always use your own com > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36912	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

Also depending on the size tank you have clown loaches do a very good job eating snails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:43:49 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails All the ideas here are great ways to clear up the problem of snails. I just want to add one more that I just read about not 15 min. ago... http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/ Look at the clone crayfish article. Says they do not bother fish and love snails. However due to the cloning issues they might be a problem in their own right... On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried > several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and > she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails > permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am > headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she > uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in > salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had > none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia > something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, > they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write > down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live > plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any > there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... > then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in > ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36913	From: Leanna	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

lol lenny which post did you read? http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36236 i origonaly had 5 neons but they all dide but one thats the issue that i posted about at one time. i have and will deffanitly keep up the water changes i doo them frecwently and gravle vac/filter clean once a week. the only fish i have thats known for anything but kindness is the beta but in all the time i have spent watching the tank he has kept to him self. lol truthfully the high fin has shown more agressave-niss than all the others in my tank. but he cant very well take a chunk out of his own tail...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36914	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

I’ve had a snail infestation in my planted tank for a while and tried different things. I think I am almost rid of them (knock on wood) so here is what I have tried and what worked. The problem is that the snails and eggs can be throughout your décor and filtration. You can’t add enough salt or other chemicals to kill them yet allow your fish and plants to live. Physical removal is key. I tried hand-picking during PWC and scrubbing them off my 3D in-tank background and rinsing them out of my filters. I tried daily baiting with lettuce and removal. Not sufficient. I have torn down the tank twice recently, once to move it and once to remove Tangs and switch to peacocks. Both times the snail population was significantly reduced. When moving the tank, all fish and water was removed. I vacuumed out as many snails as possible with a non-python siphon (they clog the python). I cleaned the filter with tank water and removed all visible snails. But the key thing I did was dribble hydrogen peroxide on the background after the tank was empty and let it sit during the move. I also made a bucket of hydrogen peroxide water and soaked all décor (rocks) until the tank was refilled. This was done to kill off hair algae, but I think it also killed off any snails or eggs I missed through other efforts. There were a lot less snails after the move, but still enough to repopulate. So they still were not under control. Then recently I was switching from Tang to peacock and I tore down the tank again. All fish were removed and most of the plants removed as well for replanting. I treated the background and décor with HP again. I handpicked snails from the plants. The key action this time was that I removed the top layer of substrate. In small batches, the substrate was dried, sifted to remove all snails larger than the grain of the substrate, and replaced in the tank. Since then I only see a snail every couple of days. I have a length of clear, rigid tubing (aquarium supply) that I use to remove each snail the instant it is discovered. Thumb over the end, insert in tank, release thumb and the snail is sucked up. It goes into a paper cup with clove oil for 5 minutes and then into the freezer, LOL! The tubing can knock loose a snail clinging to glass or other hard surfaces for easy removal. I use a small syringe of HP on the background with every water change. I expect this will continue for several months until all snail eggs hatch and all baby snails grow to a visible size. But I have hope for the first time! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about snails The best cure, out of the possibly thousand that are out there is not to let the snails get into the tank in the first place. <g>. Now that the barn door has been discovered open, It needs to be closed and the snails rounded up. Snails will only thrive if there is food enough for them to do so. All dead and dying vegetable matter should be removed from the tank. Care should be taken not to over feed the fish in the tank. Excessive algal growth should be removed. Once this has been accomplished, you are going to feed the snails a weighted lettuce leaf each night, and remove it with its load of snails each morning. Depending on the actual population, this could take a week or more to be fairly effective. (sometimes people have a few snails in the tank and they claim the snails are taking over.) Crushing individual snails against the glass will kill them, and provide the fish with a bit of extra food, and probably suffice to remove the rest. If snail eggs are espied in the tank, they should be removed. If they are on the glass, simply scraping them off with a single edge bladed should do the trick, just be careful around the silicone seams. If they are on plants, the leaf they are on would need to be removed. Your friend will need to be vigilant until she reaches the point where she can live with the remaining snail population. That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:56 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] question about snails > > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid > of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the > door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the > loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the > other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night > when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it > though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to > read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be > very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36915	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

Clown loaches need to be in a group of six and grow over 12". They also need a pH in the low 7's. Be sure not to add them to your tank unless you can accommodate their needs. I checked into that option for my snail issues and realized I could not use any loach in my 36" tank (except one rather unusual small loach that was too timid to be mixed with my Africans anyway). _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of allie1068@... Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails Also depending on the size tank you have clown loaches do a very good job eating snails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com> com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:43:49 To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails All the ideas here are great ways to clear up the problem of snails. I just want to add one more that I just read about not 15 min. ago... http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/> ine.com/current-issue/ Look at the clone crayfish article. Says they do not bother fish and love snails. However due to the cloning issues they might be a problem in their own right... On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> videotron.ca> wrote: > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried > several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and > she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails > permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am > headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she > uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in > salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had > none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia > something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, > they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write > down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live > plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any > there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... > then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in > ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36916	From: Jennifer Walker	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish

I had a rope fish for years. I never had to feed him live food. He ate frozen beef heart. You can get it at the fish store. You just cute a piece off and let it sit for a minute then put it in. I never had a problem with him trying to eat my other fish. They wont eat live fish unless they are small enough to fit in their mouths whole. They have fairly small mouths so most fish should be fine. Also if he is well feed he should leave your other fish alone. They are very fun to watch and I loved mine. I have heard that they life to escape but I never had this problem. Also you could consider Dojo Loaches as an alternative. They are very peaceful and will not eat you other fish. Plus they eat shrimp pellets, and different kind of freeze dried food.   Jennifer --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] rope fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 9:46 AM i was just reading on mongabay about this fish ........... it grows to 3 feet and needs live foods, like other fish....... i guess i don't want one anymore since i can't see feeding other fish to the rope fish or taking the chance that it thinks the live fish are better than earth worms, brine shrimp or tubifex worms i would have to feed it :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36917	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

Oh, so the group of six 12" fish need a 72" long tank.forgot that part, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about snails Clown loaches need to be in a group of six and grow over 12". They also need a pH in the low 7's. Be sure not to add them to your tank unless you can accommodate their needs. I checked into that option for my snail issues and realized I could not use any loach in my 36" tank (except one rather unusual small loach that was too timid to be mixed with my Africans anyway). _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of allie1068@yahoo. <mailto:allie1068%40yahoo.com> com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails Also depending on the size tank you have clown loaches do a very good job eating snails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com> com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:43:49 To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails All the ideas here are great ways to clear up the problem of snails. I just want to add one more that I just read about not 15 min. ago... http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/> ine.com/current-issue/> ine.com/current-issue/ Look at the clone crayfish article. Says they do not bother fish and love snails. However due to the cloning issues they might be a problem in their own right... On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> videotron.ca> wrote: > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried > several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and > she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails > permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am > headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she > uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in > salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had > none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia > something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, > they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write > down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live > plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any > there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... > then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in > ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36918	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish

What happened to him? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Walker Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] rope fish I had a rope fish for years. I never had to feed him live food. He ate frozen beef heart. You can get it at the fish store. You just cute a piece off and let it sit for a minute then put it in. I never had a problem with him trying to eat my other fish. They wont eat live fish unless they are small enough to fit in their mouths whole. They have fairly small mouths so most fish should be fine. Also if he is well feed he should leave your other fish alone. They are very fun to watch and I loved mine. I have heard that they life to escape but I never had this problem. Also you could consider Dojo Loaches as an alternative. They are very peaceful and will not eat you other fish. Plus they eat shrimp pellets, and different kind of freeze dried food. Jennifer --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> videotron.ca> wrote: From: Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] rope fish To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 9:46 AM i was just reading on mongabay about this fish ........... it grows to 3 feet and needs live foods, like other fish....... i guess i don't want one anymore since i can't see feeding other fish to the rope fish or taking the chance that it thinks the live fish are better than earth worms, brine shrimp or tubifex worms i would have to feed it :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36919	From: Jennifer Walker	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: rope fish

He died of old age. At least thats the only thing I can think off. He was at least 6 or 7 when he died. Well we had him for that long. I don't know how old he was when we got him from the fish store. It was a long time ago. I don't see them very often at the fish stores now.   I have recently gotten into keeping dojo loaches. They are very fun to watch.   Jennifer --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] rope fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:47 AM What happened to him? _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Walker Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:43 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] rope fish I had a rope fish for years. I never had to feed him live food. He ate frozen beef heart. You can get it at the fish store. You just cute a piece off and let it sit for a minute then put it in. I never had a problem with him trying to eat my other fish. They wont eat live fish unless they are small enough to fit in their mouths whole. They have fairly small mouths so most fish should be fine. Also if he is well feed he should leave your other fish alone. They are very fun to watch and I loved mine. I have heard that they life to escape but I never had this problem. Also you could consider Dojo Loaches as an alternative. They are very peaceful and will not eat you other fish. Plus they eat shrimp pellets, and different kind of freeze dried food. Jennifer --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds %40videotron. ca> videotron.ca> wrote: From: Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds %40videotron. ca> videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] rope fish To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 9:46 AM i was just reading on mongabay about this fish ........... it grows to 3 feet and needs live foods, like other fish....... i guess i don't want one anymore since i can't see feeding other fish to the rope fish or taking the chance that it thinks the live fish are better than earth worms, brine shrimp or tubifex worms i would have to feed it :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36920	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

I never had any problems keeping them in high ph conditions. Up here it can't be helped that all ph is 8.4. As to keeping six at a time yes I know that to be true but I have my own opinions and personal experiences. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:46:34 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about snails Oh, so the group of six 12" fish need a 72" long tank.forgot that part, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question about snails Clown loaches need to be in a group of six and grow over 12". They also need a pH in the low 7's. Be sure not to add them to your tank unless you can accommodate their needs. I checked into that option for my snail issues and realized I could not use any loach in my 36" tank (except one rather unusual small loach that was too timid to be mixed with my Africans anyway). _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of allie1068@yahoo. <mailto:allie1068%40yahoo.com> com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails Also depending on the size tank you have clown loaches do a very good job eating snails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com> com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:43:49 To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] question about snails All the ideas here are great ways to clear up the problem of snails. I just want to add one more that I just read about not 15 min. ago... http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagazine.com/current-issue/> ine.com/current-issue/> ine.com/current-issue/ Look at the clone crayfish article. Says they do not bother fish and love snails. However due to the cloning issues they might be a problem in their own right... On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Darlene <amazonbirds@ <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> videotron.ca> wrote: > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried > several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and > she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails > permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am > headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she > uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in > salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had > none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia > something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, > they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write > down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live > plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any > there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... > then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in > ........... > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36921	From: William	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish

If you are breeding some kinds of fish that throw off many defective babies then the leaf fish might be a good fish to have to get rid of the defective or extra fish that you wind up with. But be forewarned that leaf fish usually will not eat non living foods. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, > _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, > and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is > safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths > that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. > > i can imagine. one of the fish opened its mouth while i was there and i thought geez reminds me of a snake (unhinge the jaw so mouth opens wider) it had a really big mouth for a fish about 2 1/2 to 3 inches long :) > they seem to be not very active fish, just hides along side a leaf. made me think "hiding in wait ............." > not a fish i want to have, i just though they were neat looking .... :)) > > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36922	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Books and Magazines

The Baensch "Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1", should be considered a must have for the serious hobbyist, and a really should have for the novice. Good introductory section on getting started and maintaining a tank, a section on plants, and plenty of fish to look at, along with descriptions and care descriptions. From an historical perspective, but still with a lot of relevant information, there is the William T. Innes book, "Exotic Aquarium Fishes, 19th edition, Revised" or earlier. The edition mentioned was published in the early '60s, I think--being too lazy to get out of my chair and go down the hall to the bookshelf, so you'll need to go to the used book stores to find a copy. I have not seen this, but I do know the author, and it was recently published, "Aquarium Care of Livebearers". The few comments I've heard have been positive, but I cannot recommend it until I've had a look at it myself. The three magazines readily available are Aquarium Fish International, Freshwater and Marine Aquarium, and Tropical Fish Hobbyist. The last is getting the best reviews lately. A very good quality magazine is Practical Fishkeeping from Great Britain. It is not exactly easy to come by in this country unless you are in a metropolitan area and have a good magazine store near you, but visit their site on the web for some pretty good information. http;//www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk Other than that, I'm not really up on the books that would help those who are just starting out in the hobby. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:35 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Books and Magazines > > I have been getting books from the library and have a book by Dr. > Ashley Ward, titled Questions and Answers on Freshwater Aquarium > Fishes. This is a great book for fish keepers that want to know more > about behavior, and fun fish facts. I know that the experts will know > all that is contained in there, but many of us newer to the hobby will > find it VERY informative. It is not another how to set up a tank, and > index of popular fish, as so many books are. > > I note it is from TFH, Tropical Fish Hobbyist, and I was wondering > about the magazine. Is it a must have? > > What are the better books and Magazines out there to get? I have them > send the books from larger libraries and would like to request the > best books instead of filtering through till I find a winner. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36923	From: William	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

There is a snail that is offered sometimes on Aquabid that eats other snails and will only produce one egg every ten days if it can get enough snails to eat otherwise it will eat regular snail foods and not reproduce. I am trying to find some of them for myself. They will not be cheap to buy but if you are overrun with snails it is something to think about, but more important is getting rid of the foods that the snails need to be able to reproduce. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36924	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: was question about snails now leaf fish

I've never kept them, but they are ambush predators in that they lie in wait for an unsuspecting victim to swim within reach, then BAM!, the victim is now lunch. This is a kind of fish you want to keep in a species tank, among others of its kind. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] was question about snails now leaf fish > > That fish looking like a leaf you saw was probably a leaf fish, > _Monocirrhus polyacanthus_ is the one commonly seen from South America, > and it's African counterpart is _Polycentropsis abbreviate_. Neither is > safe to be kept with smaller fish, and they have amazingly large mouths > that can be filled by fish much larger than you may think they can eat. > > i can imagine. one of the fish opened its mouth while i was there and i thought geez reminds > me of a snake (unhinge the jaw so mouth opens wider) it had a really big mouth for a fish > about 2 1/2 to 3 inches long :) > they seem to be not very active fish, just hides along side a leaf. made me think "hiding in > wait ............." > not a fish i want to have, i just though they were neat looking .... :)) > > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36925	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

My take on this is: They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well sure that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought all my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want more money from us, we're just being used in the long run. Anyways, enough rant from me. Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know that they eat like little pigs ;) LOL Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or > offspring thereof;" > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > bye-bye fish farms. > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Dora Smith > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > reasons > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > Joey > > > > ____________________________________ > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > >  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > only the > > first step. > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > it, and > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > effective. > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > parts of > > the > > bill. > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > fishes > > and > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > will be a > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision > > needs > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > amendments. > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > points, and > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach > > their > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > due to > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > and faxes > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > VISISTS when > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives > > person > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must > > send > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > and > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can > > present > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > to do > > is > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > RESPECT for > > the > > legislator. > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > stage for > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > always > > use your > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > in your > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > (Saturday > > and > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your > > message. > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > talking > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36926	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: have a question

?I just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue half circle on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36927	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

I don't think Kuhli loaches eat snails... Yoyo loaches do, and clown loaches (but they get huge), I would suggest a few yoyo loaches if she has room, they stay smaller and they are fairly active all day long. I had a pair (before they died of ich) and I loved watching them. Amber Darlene wrote: > > will have to ask her more about the feeding habits etc, or better yet > get her to join and she can get lots of great info from this site :)) > i know she does not have lots of fish in the tank, the cooli loach, a > bornea sucker, and a couple of other fish, forget which ones now > will let you know what she says > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36928	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: do riped fins regrow/heal?

You should be doing water changes every day if your tank is still cycling. The ammonia builds up too fast to wait a whole week. Amber Leanna wrote: > > lol lenny which post did you read? > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36236 > <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36236> > > i origonaly had 5 neons but they all dide but one thats the issue that > i posted about at one time. i have and will deffanitly keep up the > water changes i doo them frecwently and gravle vac/filter clean once a > week. > > the only fish i have thats known for anything but kindness is the beta > but in all the time i have spent watching the tank he has kept to him > self. lol truthfully the high fin has shown more agressave-niss than > all the others in my tank. but he cant very well take a chunk out of > his own tail... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36929	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

I believe you're talking about the assassin snail? I have seen it on aquabid before. Amber William wrote: > > There is a snail that is offered sometimes on Aquabid that eats other > snails and will only produce one egg every ten days if it can get > enough snails to eat otherwise it will eat regular snail foods and > not reproduce. I am trying to find some of them for myself. They will > not be cheap to buy but if you are overrun with snails it is > something to think about, but more important is getting rid of the > foods that the snails need to be able to reproduce. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > > > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has > tried several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple > of days and she ends up with just as many as before > > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of > snails permanently........ > > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages > because i am headed out the door > > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her > if she uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't > do well in salt water. > > > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) > they had none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name > of the Stellia something or other LOL > > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and > hide, they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see > them LOLOL > > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget > to write down the name of it though. > > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any > live plants at this time :) > > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't > see any there. will have to read up more about their care before i > get one. > > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on > layaway .......... then all my fish will be very happy and have lots > of room to move around in ........... > > Darlene > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

You should have more females than males, yes he probably chased her to death. I have 7 guppies, 4 females and 3 males, and I have babies in a 10 gallon tank (perhaps 10 of them), only 2 are big enough to start showing color and I think they are females, I will probably add the females in with the other adults and give the male babies away. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > ?I > just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I > noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her > rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her > to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 > female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined > up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. > The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a > red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue > half circle on it. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36931	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or keep any animals. If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for more and bigger game. This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 days to file it. What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye to your SS dollars. Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere when talking about this bill. It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > My take on this is: > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well sure > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought all > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want more > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > Anyways, enough rant from me. > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know that > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or > > offspring thereof;" > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Dora Smith > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>; > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > reasons > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > Joey > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > only the > > > first step. > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > it, and > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > effective. > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > parts of > > > the > > > bill. > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > fishes > > > and > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > will be a > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a decision > > > needs > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > amendments. > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > points, and > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to reach > > > their > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > > due to > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > and faxes > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > VISISTS when > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of Representatives > > > person > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If you must > > > send > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > > and > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they can > > > present > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > > to do > > > is > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > RESPECT for > > > the > > > legislator. > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > stage for > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with our > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and tomorrow > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > always > > > use your > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > (Saturday > > > and > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your own > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points in your > > > message. > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > > talking > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36932	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going internationally. My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a petition started, then nothing will happen. They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that they are not as easy to do. I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > keep any animals. > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > more and bigger game. > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > days to file it. > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > to your SS dollars. > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > when talking about this bill. > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > My take on this is: > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > sure > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > all > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > more > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > that > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > fish, > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > material or > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > exception. > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > would be > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > endemic > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > reasons > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > only the > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > it, and > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > effective. > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > parts of > > > > the > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > fishes > > > > and > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > will be a > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > decision > > > > needs > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > points, and > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > to reach > > > > their > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > > > due to > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > and faxes > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > VISISTS when > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > Representatives > > > > person > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > you must > > > > send > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > prepare > > > and > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > they can > > > > present > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > > > to do > > > > is > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > our > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > RESPECT for > > > > the > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > stage for > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > with our > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > tomorrow > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > always > > > > use your > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > in your > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > (Saturday > > > > and > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > your own > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > in your > > > > message. > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > our > > > talking > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36933	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

It seems to work really well in Australia.they totally fear keeping the banned species. Someone should draft a letter that we can each copy and send to our representatives. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going internationally. My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a petition started, then nothing will happen. They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that they are not as easy to do. I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > keep any animals. > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > more and bigger game. > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > days to file it. > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > to your SS dollars. > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > when talking about this bill. > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > My take on this is: > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > sure > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > all > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > more > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > that > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > fish, > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > material or > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > exception. > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > would be > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > endemic > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > reasons > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > only the > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > it, and > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > effective. > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > parts of > > > > the > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > fishes > > > > and > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > will be a > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > decision > > > > needs > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > points, and > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > to reach > > > > their > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > > > due to > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > and faxes > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > VISISTS when > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > Representatives > > > > person > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > you must > > > > send > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > prepare > > > and > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > they can > > > > present > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > > > to do > > > > is > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > our > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > RESPECT for > > > > the > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > stage for > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > with our > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > tomorrow > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > always > > > > use your > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > in your > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > (Saturday > > > > and > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > your own > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > in your > > > > message. > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > our > > > talking > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36934	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if you're carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way out of this predicament. Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact that people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally as it is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby that a brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now starting to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some reason ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, are they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about with our local government, and they preach about not releasing anything into our wilderness. I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals than I do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs over a pigeon ;) LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going > internationally. > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a > petition started, then nothing will happen. > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that > they are not as easy to do. > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > keep any animals. > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > > more and bigger game. > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > days to file it. > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > > to your SS dollars. > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > > when talking about this bill. > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > > sure > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > here in > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > > all > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, > LOL. > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > ban in > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > > more > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > > that > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > > fish, > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > material or > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > exception. > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > species > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > areas of > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > would be > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > country > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > endemic > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > > reasons > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > > only the > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > > it, and > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > > effective. > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the > bill. > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > > parts of > > > > > the > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > > fishes > > > > > and > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > > will be a > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > decision > > > > > needs > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > > points, and > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > > to reach > > > > > their > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail > to DC > > > > due to > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > > and faxes > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > Representatives > > > > > person > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > > you must > > > > > send > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > prepare > > > > and > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > they can > > > > > present > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not > want > > > > to do > > > > > is > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > > our > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > the > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > > stage for > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > with our > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > tomorrow > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > > always > > > > > use your > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > > in your > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > > (Saturday > > > > > and > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > > your own > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your > > > > > message. > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > > our > > > > talking > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36935	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Really, you do not need spend a lot of money to end the rat ban. You just need to find the right legislator, and bring enough pressure to bear on him, and it may not take much,, and a simple amendment to a must pass bill will do the trick. I know a member of the state legislature in another state. At one time we were pretty good friends, but then went our separate ways to live our separate lives with him going into politics. We got together a few years ago, more by happenstance than planning, though I knew he would be around at the same time I was, via my parents, and had a pretty good chat and some time together. I am sure that if I had the need, he would do me a favor like that. Now, you do not need to get involved deeply with a local politician to make things happen, but it would not hurt to find someone who is to help press your point. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going > internationally. > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a > petition started, then nothing will happen. > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that > they are not as easy to do. > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > keep any animals. > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > > more and bigger game. > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > days to file it. > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > > to your SS dollars. > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > > when talking about this bill. > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > > sure > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > > all > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > > more > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > > that > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > > fish, > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > material or > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > exception. > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > would be > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > endemic > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > > reasons > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > > only the > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > > it, and > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > > effective. > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > > parts of > > > > > the > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > > fishes > > > > > and > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > > will be a > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > decision > > > > > needs > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > > points, and > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > > to reach > > > > > their > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > > > > due to > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > > and faxes > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > Representatives > > > > > person > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > > you must > > > > > send > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > prepare > > > > and > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > they can > > > > > present > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > > > > to do > > > > > is > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > > our > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > the > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > > stage for > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > with our > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > tomorrow > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > > always > > > > > use your > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > > in your > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > > (Saturday > > > > > and > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > > your own > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your > > > > > message. > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > > our > > > > talking > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36936	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

In Australia, not only do they ban imports of a lot of fish, they ban exports of many fish as well. The import ban will have the biggest effect on us. Unlike Australia, we do not have many native species which will do well in an aquarium that one is likely to have in a home, and of those fish who will live in a 10 or 20 gallon tank, there are not many colorful ones. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > It seems to work really well in Australia.they totally fear keeping the > banned species. > > > > Someone should draft a letter that we can each copy and send to our > representatives. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going > internationally. > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a > petition started, then nothing will happen. > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that > they are not as easy to do. > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > keep any animals. > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > > more and bigger game. > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > days to file it. > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > > to your SS dollars. > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > > when talking about this bill. > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > > sure > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > > all > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > > more > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > > that > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > > fish, > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > material or > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > exception. > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > would be > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > endemic > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > > reasons > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > > only the > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > > it, and > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > > effective. > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > > parts of > > > > > the > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > > fishes > > > > > and > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > > will be a > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > decision > > > > > needs > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > > points, and > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > > to reach > > > > > their > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to DC > > > > due to > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > > and faxes > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > Representatives > > > > > person > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > > you must > > > > > send > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > prepare > > > > and > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > they can > > > > > present > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not want > > > > to do > > > > > is > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > > our > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > the > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > > stage for > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > with our > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > tomorrow > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > > always > > > > > use your > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > > in your > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > > (Saturday > > > > > and > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > > your own > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your > > > > > message. > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > > our > > > > talking > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36937	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously you have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that plane, except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put it passed them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones the next time you fly, Amber <g>.) \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in > secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if you're > carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare > them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way > out of this predicament. > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact that > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear > get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally as it > is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby that a > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another > example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because > if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do > something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt > local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know > the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, > everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't > care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now starting > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some reason > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, are > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about > with our local government, and they preach about not releasing anything > into our wilderness. > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals than I > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs over a > pigeon ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going > > internationally. > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that > > they are not as easy to do. > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > > keep any animals. > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > > days to file it. > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > > > sure > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > > here in > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought > > > all > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, > > LOL. > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > > ban in > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > > > more > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > > > that > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > > > fish, > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > material or > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > species > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > areas of > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > > would be > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > country > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > > endemic > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > > > > reasons > > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > > > > only the > > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > > > > it, and > > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the > > bill. > > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > > > parts of > > > > > > the > > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > > > > fishes > > > > > > and > > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > > > > will be a > > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > > decision > > > > > > needs > > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > > > points, and > > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > > > to reach > > > > > > their > > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail > > to DC > > > > > due to > > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > > > > and faxes > > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > Representatives > > > > > > person > > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > > > you must > > > > > > send > > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > prepare > > > > > and > > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > > they can > > > > > > present > > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not > > want > > > > > to do > > > > > > is > > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > > > our > > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > > the > > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > > > stage for > > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > > with our > > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > tomorrow > > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can > > > > > always > > > > > > use your > > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > > > in your > > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > > > (Saturday > > > > > > and > > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > > > your own > > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > > in your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > > > our > > > > > talking > > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36938	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit

Leanna, You do not have to order a test kit, Leanna. You can just go to the store and buy a kit. I know Petsmart has them in stock. I do not know whether Walmart does. You can call and ask them and ask what the price is when you call. You can also call some of your local pet/Aquarium shops. Look in your yellow pages to find them. Tell them you want an API master kit. They do have strip test kits available, too, but don't let them talk you into those. They cost less up front, but you have to replace them a LOT so in the long run it costs much much more than the master test kit. And even without knowing the water parameters, you can do water changes a lot. Just don't forget to use dechlorinated water when you do them, okay? My computer is broken and I had to borrow one tonight to read my e-mail, but I know this group will take good care of you! I think you will be a good fish-mom. : ) Good luck! Debra --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: im glad to heare that there not in exstraeam pain i was really worried about that. i wish i new who the nipper was, i spend a lot of time watching my tank and i almost never see ny biting. i figure that they just got in a small taratorial dispiute. i havient seen any fierther damage. the rip in the guppys fin is just so, no pieces missing. but the highfin black tetra has about 1/3 of his lower fin gone. like a full moon goes to a cresent moon. it still has a border around most of it but theres almost no center. i still dont know the waters pramiters i cant order the test kit tell tusday(payday) and than i dont know how long it will take to get here. but i promis as soon as i can i will post them to the powder blue grami thred that i started a wile back. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36939	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Just remember that if it ever passes, in forums, always start off a new thread with "So, theoretically speaking, if I had X fish and Y fish... ". And any replies would be "Well, in theory... ". This way, we're not admitting anything. ;-) LOL Now... as far as your position on voting.. this is why we keep ending up with idiots... due to the apathy level in America, we keep getting the crap rising to the top, instead of the cream. ALWAYS vote.. even if it's only for the lesser of two evils... which is usually the case nowadays. Congrats to the Steelers... and the Cardinals too... it was a helluva game!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about My take on this is: They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well sure that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running around enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get non-albino rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet here in my town didn't even know about the law until he called up north to Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring rats up on the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some pet rats from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted to know what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, the vet didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements and then all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even brought all my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and he never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban in Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can actually get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and some stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want more money from us, we're just being used in the long run. Anyways, enough rant from me. Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know that they eat like little pigs ;) LOL Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, fish, > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or > offspring thereof;" > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > bye-bye fish farms. > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for species > native to this country, that have become invasive species in areas of > the country where they are not native. A good example of this would be > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the country > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species endemic > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Dora Smith > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ > > <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > reasons > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > Joey > > > > ____________________________________ > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > >  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > only the > > first step. > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > it, and > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > effective. > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > parts of > > the > > bill. > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > fishes > > and > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > will be a > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or > > to seek > amendments. > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > points, and > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to > > reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular > > mail to DC > due to > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > and faxes > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > VISISTS when > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > Representatives person will be in home territory and make an > > appointment to visit. If you must send a letter, send it to their > > home office, not DC. > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and prepare > and > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they > > can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing we > > do not want > to do > > is > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with our > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > RESPECT for > > the > > legislator. > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > stage for > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with > > our comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > tomorrow (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > > You can > always > > use your > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > in your > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > (Saturday > > and > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use your > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your message. > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our > talking > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

Yes, you should have at least two females for every male in most situations.. sometimes even more than two females for every male. Man... I wanna come back as a fish when I die! ;-) As you saw, if there are not enough females, the male(s) will harass the females until death in some cases. Also have lots of plants so the females have places to hide. Of course, this will also mean that your fry will have more places to hide so be careful that you don't end up with an over crowded tank with water quality issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question ?I just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue half circle on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36941	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people still wear those? LOL) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously you > have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that plane, > except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put it passed > them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones the next time > you fly, Amber <g>.) > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in > > secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if you're > > carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare > > them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way > > out of this predicament. > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact > that > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear > > get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally as it > > is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby > that a > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another > > example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because > > if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do > > something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt > > local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know > > the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, > > everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't > > care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now > starting > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some reason > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, > are > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about > > with our local government, and they preach about not releasing anything > > into our wilderness. > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > than I > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > over a > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, > that > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > fish and > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > > > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to > actually > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > getting > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > shipping > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > going > > > internationally. > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > > > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > > > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite > a bit > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > > > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > > > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and > that > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > spend a > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to > get a > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > the US > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > thing, > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > > > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > > > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > > > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard > way to > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > trying to > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is > that > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > government is > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > > > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly > supported > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do > their > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone > keeping > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to > get > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > > > keep any animals. > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go > for > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > Look at > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 > from > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a > cash > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > > > days to file it. > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at > the > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in > this > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > bye-bye > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing > left, > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > started > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there > appears to > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters > from > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned > elsewhere > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of > that > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > perhaps, > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it > seems > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > legislator to > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > about > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an > albino, > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > Well > > > > sure > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > running around > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > non-albino > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > > > here in > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > north to > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > rats up on > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > pet rats > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted > to know > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > the vet > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > and then > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > brought > > > > all > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care > and he > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > customer, > > > LOL. > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > what fish > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > go out > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > > > ban in > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > actually > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and > some > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > years ago, > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and > actually > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and > think > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just > want > > > > more > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all > know > > > > that > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > bird, > > > > fish, > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > material or > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an > individual > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > animal > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > breeding > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > for those > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > which means > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > > species > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > > areas of > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > > > would be > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > > country > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > > > endemic > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > Congress, > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned > their are > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. > That is > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be > supporting > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in > order to be > > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the > > > bill. > > > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR > against > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species > (primarily > > > > > > fishes > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in > Florida), there > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > > > decision > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create > talking > > > > > > points, and > > > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > people > > > > to reach > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail > > > to DC > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, > emails > > > > > > and faxes > > > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls > and > > > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > > Representatives > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to > visit. If > > > > you must > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > > prepare > > > > > > and > > > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > > > they can > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > not > > > want > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > passionate with > > > > our > > > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason > and > > > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the > next > > > > > > stage for > > > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > > > with our > > > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > You can > > > > > > always > > > > > > > use your > > > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical > talking points > > > > > > in your > > > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a > difference.. > > > > > > (Saturday > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always > use > > > > your own > > > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > points > > > > in your > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put > together > > > > our > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Yo, \\Steve//, meet me back by da dumpsta next time ya need to slide some green around on the down low! My cousin will take care of dem transactions for ya. OK... GhettoLenny is gone, GoldLenny is back. LOL I mostly agree with everything \\Steve// says below. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves right now with the way apathetic Americans have allowed their State and Federal governments to become such control freaks in their lives. Ever notice how "pathetic" is part of apathetic? That's what we're turning the country into because people have lost their sense of rugged individualism and now want to be taken care of, cradle to grave, by a nanny-state government. I pray for the day that we have a new Boston Tea Party... but next time, lets throw the politicians in the harbor, not the tea. The tea didn't do anything wrong. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or keep any animals. If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for more and bigger game. This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 days to file it. What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye to your SS dollars. Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere when talking about this bill. It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > My take on this is: > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an albino, > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. Well > sure that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running > around enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > non-albino rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the > vet here in my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > north to Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > rats up on the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > pet rats from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted > to know what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > the vet didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > and then all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > brought all my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet > care and he never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what fish > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go out > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban > in Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > actually get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and > some stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years ago, > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and actually > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and think > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just want > more money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > Anyways, enough rant from me. > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > that they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > > fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material > > or offspring thereof;" > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an exception. > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an individual > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single animal > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that breeding > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions for those > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, which means > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > species native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > areas of the country where they are not native. A good example of > > this would be the various trout species that have been stocked all > > over the country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often > > displacing species endemic to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Dora Smith > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; <AfricanFinches@ > > > <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their are > > reasons > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > Joey > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That is > > only the > > > first step. > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be supporting > > it, and > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to be > > > effective. > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > parts of > > > the > > > bill. > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species (primarily > > fishes > > > and > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), there > > will be a > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > > decision needs to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill > > > or to seek > > amendments. > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > points, and > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people to > > > reach their Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send > > > regular mail to DC > > due to > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, emails > > and faxes > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > VISISTS when > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > Representatives person will be in home territory and make an > > > appointment to visit. If you must send a letter, send it to their > > > home office, not DC. > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > prepare > > and > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that they > > > can present those points to their federal legislators. One thing > > > we do not want > > to do > > > is > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > > > our comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > RESPECT for > > > the > > > legislator. > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > stage for > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee with > > > our comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > tomorrow (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > > > You can > > always > > > use your > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > > in your > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > (Saturday > > > and > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > > > your own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > > > points in your message. > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > > > our > > talking > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36943	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

When I fly, all my carryon is opened, as is the carryon of others. When checking bags, they cannot be locked or need to have a TSA approved lock, which means they can be opened for whatever reason TSA deems. Also, I have a tendency to set off metal detectors when I walk through them, so I usually, after the third or fourth time walking through, get hand scanned because they do not listen to me when I tell them why it is set off. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our > scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they > going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people > still wear those? LOL) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously you > > have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that plane, > > except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put it passed > > them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones the next time > > you fly, Amber <g>.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in > > > secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if you're > > > carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare > > > them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way > > > out of this predicament. > > > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact > > that > > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear > > > get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally as it > > > is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby > > that a > > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another > > > example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because > > > if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do > > > something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt > > > local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know > > > the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, > > > everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't > > > care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now > > starting > > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some reason > > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, > > are > > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about > > > with our local government, and they preach about not releasing anything > > > into our wilderness. > > > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > > than I > > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > > over a > > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, > > that > > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > > fish and > > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > > > > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to > > actually > > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > > getting > > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > > shipping > > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > > going > > > > internationally. > > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > > > > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > > > > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite > > a bit > > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > > > > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > > > > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and > > that > > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > > spend a > > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to > > get a > > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > > the US > > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > > thing, > > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > > > > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > > > > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > > > > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard > > way to > > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > > trying to > > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is > > that > > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > > government is > > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > > > > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > > > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly > > supported > > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do > > their > > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > > > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone > > keeping > > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to > > get > > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > > > > keep any animals. > > > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go > > for > > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > > Look at > > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 > > from > > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a > > cash > > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > > > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > > > > days to file it. > > > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > > > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at > > the > > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in > > this > > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > > bye-bye > > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing > > left, > > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > > started > > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > > > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there > > appears to > > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > > > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > > > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters > > from > > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > > > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > > > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned > > elsewhere > > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of > > that > > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > > perhaps, > > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it > > seems > > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > > legislator to > > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an > > albino, > > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > > Well > > > > > sure > > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > > running around > > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > non-albino > > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > > > > here in > > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > > north to > > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > > rats up on > > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > > pet rats > > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted > > to know > > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > > the vet > > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > > and then > > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > > brought > > > > > all > > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care > > and he > > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > > customer, > > > > LOL. > > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > > what fish > > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > > go out > > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > > > > ban in > > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > > actually > > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and > > some > > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > > years ago, > > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and > > actually > > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and > > think > > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just > > want > > > > > more > > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all > > know > > > > > that > > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > > bird, > > > > > fish, > > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > > material or > > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an > > individual > > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > > animal > > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > > breeding > > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > > for those > > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > > which means > > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > > > species > > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > > > areas of > > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > > > > would be > > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > > > country > > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > > > > endemic > > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > > Congress, > > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned > > their are > > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. > > That is > > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be > > supporting > > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in > > order to be > > > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR > > against > > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species > > (primarily > > > > > > > fishes > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in > > Florida), there > > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create > > talking > > > > > > > points, and > > > > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > > people > > > > > to reach > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail > > > > to DC > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, > > emails > > > > > > > and faxes > > > > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls > > and > > > > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > > > Representatives > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to > > visit. If > > > > > you must > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > > > > they can > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > > not > > > > want > > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > > passionate with > > > > > our > > > > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason > > and > > > > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the > > next > > > > > > > stage for > > > > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > > > > with our > > > > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > > You can > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > use your > > > > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical > > talking points > > > > > > > in your > > > > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a > > difference.. > > > > > > > (Saturday > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always > > use > > > > > your own > > > > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > > points > > > > > in your > > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put > > together > > > > > our > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36944	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

This group for snakes, http://www.redtailboas.com/forum/industry-news-proposed-bans-bills/37203-new -trouble-hr-669-usfw-proposed-ban.html has started their own online petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/usarkHR6311/index.html but they are only objecting to the part about their favorite snakes. Maybe someone could start an online petition for fish keepers... hint,hint... since I just did the research. ;-) On a side note, GovTrack is reporting that the bill has been submitted to the "House Natural Resources" committee but the actual committee hasn't been set up yet so no actual members to start harassing.. oops.. meant lobbying yet. Once we get some names, then we can really start the harassing.. oops.. meant lobbying! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about It seems to work really well in Australia.they totally fear keeping the banned species. Someone should draft a letter that we can each copy and send to our representatives. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, that is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this fish and it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to actually enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of getting fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, shipping companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's going internationally. My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite a bit to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and that shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to spend a lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to get a petition started, then nothing will happen. They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in the US and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad thing, and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard way to do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are trying to do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is that they are not as easy to do. I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our government is actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly supported > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do their > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone keeping > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to get > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > keep any animals. > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go for > more and bigger game. > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. Look at > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 from > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a cash > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > days to file it. > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at the > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in this > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying bye-bye > to your SS dollars. > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing left, > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything started > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there appears to > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters from > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned elsewhere > when talking about this bill. > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of that > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, perhaps, > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it seems > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly legislator to > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > My take on this is: > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an > > albino, that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in > > Alaska. Well > sure > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone running > > around enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > non-albino rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, > > the vet here in my town didn't even know about the law until he > > called up north to Anchorage to ask questions about what is required > > to bring rats up on the airlines. This was a few years back when I > > brought some pet rats from breeders in the NW up here on the > > airlines, and I wanted to know what I needed to do. The airlines > > didn't know about the law, the vet didn't even know until after he > > asked about the requirements and then all he did was tell me the > > law, he never enforced it, I even brought > all > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care and > > he never once said a word about it, because he would lose a customer, LOL. > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor what > > fish people already own and what they breed if you don't actually go > > out there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat ban > > in Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > > actually get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, > > and some stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting years > > ago, this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone > > gets together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and > > actually does something about it, we will just continue to sit here > > and think they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they > > just want > more > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all know > that > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, bird, > fish, > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > material or > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > exception. > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an > > > individual animal, which most sane people would take to mean a > > > single animal which could, and probably would, be construed to > > > mean that breeding pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no > > > exceptions for those fish or animals raised for sale in this > > > country, either, which means bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > > species native to this country, that have become invasive species > > > in areas of the country where they are not native. A good example > > > of this > would be > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > > country for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing > > > species > endemic > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through Congress, > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the better. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > > > about > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned their > > > > are > > > reasons > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. That > > > > is > > > only the > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be > > > > supporting > > > it, and > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in order to > > > > be effective. > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the bill. > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR against > > > parts of > > > > the > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species > > > > (primarily > > > fishes > > > > and > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in Florida), > > > > there > > > will be a > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > decision > > > > needs > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create talking > > > points, and > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for people > to reach > > > > their > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail to > > > > DC > > > due to > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, > > > > emails > > > and faxes > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls and > > > VISISTS when > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > Representatives > > > > person > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to visit. If > you must > > > > send > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > prepare > > > and > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > they can > > > > present > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do not > > > > want > > > to do > > > > is > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be passionate with > our > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason and > > > RESPECT for > > > > the > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the next > > > stage for > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > with our > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > tomorrow > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. You > > > > can > > > always > > > > use your > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > > > > points > > > in your > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a difference.. > > > (Saturday > > > > and > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always use > your own > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking points > in your > > > > message. > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put together > our > > > talking > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

So... why do you set them off? Metal plate in your head? Pacemaker? Or maybe you're The \\Stevenator//! lol Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about When I fly, all my carryon is opened, as is the carryon of others. When checking bags, they cannot be locked or need to have a TSA approved lock, which means they can be opened for whatever reason TSA deems. Also, I have a tendency to set off metal detectors when I walk through them, so I usually, after the third or fourth time walking through, get hand scanned because they do not listen to me when I tell them why it is set off. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our > scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they > going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people > still wear those? LOL) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously > > you have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that > > plane, except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put > > it passed them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones > > the next time you fly, Amber <g>.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish > > > in secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know > > > if you're carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you > > > don't declare them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy > > > way out of this predicament. > > > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the > > > fact > > that > > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown > > > bear get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here > > > naturally as it is an isolated island and there are not any > > > mainland areas nearby > > that a > > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as > > > another example. Politicians are not going to care about those > > > mussles because if they were to try to do something about it, they > > > would have to do something to the boats that are bringing them in, > > > and that could hurt local industry/income, etc. That is highly > > > unlikely to happen, I know the politicians in my town are nothing > > > but money hungry people, everything they do is to try to increase > > > our local economy, they don't care if they destroy wild life in > > > the process, but they are now > > starting > > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some > > > reason > > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did > > > before, > > are > > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known > > > about with our local government, and they preach about not > > > releasing anything into our wilderness. > > > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > > than I > > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > > over a > > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as > > > > pets, > > that > > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > > fish and > > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if > > > > they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law > > > > to > > actually > > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > > getting > > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > > shipping > > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > > going > > > > internationally. > > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it > > > > won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand > > > > up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People > > > > had to fight quite > > a bit > > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on > > > > the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the > > > > truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the > > > > shortcut and > > that > > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > > spend a > > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers > > > > to > > get a > > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > > the US > > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > > thing, > > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that > > > > are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to > > > > take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're > > > > not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But > > > > that's the hard > > way to > > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > > trying to > > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem > > > > is > > that > > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > > government is > > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but > > > > overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or > > > > > not, whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be > > > > > strongly > > supported > > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will > > > > > do > > their > > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. > > > > > Then they will start raising havoc about any importation or > > > > > anyone > > keeping > > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely > > > > > to > > get > > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will > > > > > own or keep any animals. > > > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will > > > > > go > > for > > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > > Look at > > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere > > > > > $10000 > > from > > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is > > > > > a > > cash > > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in > > > > > reporting the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form > > > > > 8300. You have 15 days to file it. > > > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, > > > > > because the government will take care of us when we retire, > > > > > but the money at > > the > > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive > > > > > in > > this > > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > > bye-bye > > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be > > > > > nothing > > left, > > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > > started > > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of > > > > > possible invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, > > > > > there > > appears to > > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as > > > > > zebra mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today > > > > > that were brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply > > > > > those waters > > from > > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on > > > > > moving animals within the country from a place where they are > > > > > endemic to places where they are not--for example the trout I > > > > > mentioned > > elsewhere > > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history > > > > > of > > that > > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > > perhaps, > > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than > > > > > it > > seems > > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > > legislator to > > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have > > > > > > an > > albino, > > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > > Well > > > > > sure > > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > > running around > > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > non-albino > > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the > > > > > > vet > > > > here in > > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > > north to > > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > > rats up on > > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > > pet rats > > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I > > > > > > wanted > > to know > > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > > the vet > > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > > and then > > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > > brought > > > > > all > > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet > > > > > > care > > and he > > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > > customer, > > > > LOL. > > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > > what fish > > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > > go out > > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be > > > > > > too difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this > > > > > > stupid rat > > > > ban in > > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats > > > > > > can > > actually > > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, > > > > > > and > > some > > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > > years ago, > > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone > > > > > > gets together (that's all American's who are not > > > > > > politcian's) and > > actually > > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here > > > > > > and > > think > > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they > > > > > > just > > want > > > > > more > > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily > > > > > > be an invasive species if we let them loose in our > > > > > > waterways, we all > > know > > > > > that > > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > > bird, > > > > > fish, > > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, > > > > > > > arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > > material or > > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is > > > > > > > an > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you > > > > > > > are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to > > > > > > > an > > individual > > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > > animal > > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > > breeding > > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > > for those > > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > > which means > > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage > > > > > > > for > > > > species > > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species > > > > > > > in > > > > areas of > > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of > > > > > > > this > > > > > would be > > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over > > > > > > > the > > > > country > > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing > > > > > > > species > > > > > endemic > > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > > Congress, > > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36946	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Fresh veggies in the tank

So how long can I leave one leaf of Kale in my tank? I blanched it for about 15-20 seconds and then let it cool to room temp, then weighted it down with an ornament (since it floats really nicely). I've read that some people have luck feeding their hillstream loaches veggies, so I'm giving it a shot. This is fresh kale from the veggie isle at the grocery store. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36947	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: guaranteed fish

All of our Petsmarts guarantee fish for two weeks (save your receipt when you buy them). I also ask how long they have had fish before I buy them. Some of our local stores will match the guarantee if I remind them of the Petsmart guarantee : ) and some already do it. Most of our local stores do not sell fish until the fish have had a quarantine period and they, like Petsmart, will take the fish off of the market if you point out illnesses with the fish. Anyway, just wanted to make sure you knew about the Petsmart warranty since I saw someone's post that s/he got sick fish from there. (Amber, maybe?) Deb P. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36948	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

Also how many times a day do i need to feed them and when the fry come how often? -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question You should have more females than males, yes he probably chased her to death. I have 7 guppies, 4 females and 3 males, and I have babies in a 10 gallon tank (perhaps 10 of them), only 2 are big enough to start showing color and I think they are females, I will probably add the females in with the other adults and give the male babies away. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > ?I > just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I > noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her > rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her > to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 > female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined > up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. > The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a > red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue > half circle on it. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯` ·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36949	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish

No petsmart here, we have a local fish store only, very small run business. Maybe only 30 or so tanks, ranging in sizes from 10-20 gallons up to a couple of 55 gallons and a bow front, not sure of the size. I wish they had more selection though. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > All of our Petsmarts guarantee fish for two weeks (save your receipt > when you buy them). I also ask how long they have had fish before I > buy them. Some of our local stores will match the guarantee if I > remind them of the Petsmart guarantee : ) and some already do it. Most > of our local stores do not sell fish until the fish have had a > quarantine period and they, like Petsmart, will take the fish off of > the market if you point out illnesses with the fish. > > Anyway, just wanted to make sure you knew about the Petsmart warranty > since I saw someone's post that s/he got sick fish from there. (Amber, > maybe?) > > Deb P. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36950	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: question about snails

We have two clown loaches in our community tank to help keep the snails at bay. They do a pretty good job until one of the eggs from the mystry snail begin to hatch then they get overwhelmed. We tend to remove the egg when we find them but, sometimes they get laid in hard to see places. Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > my friend has a 55 gallon tank that is filled with snails, she has tried several times to get rid of them but they multiply in a couple of days and she ends up with just as many as before > i know i saw something a while ago about what to do to get rid of snails permanently........ > unfortunately i don't have time to check through the messages because i am headed out the door > will salt kill off the snails and if yes at what dose? i told her if she uses salt to take the loach out of her tank because they don't do well in salt water. > > BTW i went back to Big Al's for my farlowella fish (got 2 of them) they had none of the other fish left so i still don't know the name of the Stellia something or other LOL > i also got 2 banjo catfish all they do is bury into the gravel and hide, they come out at night when it is dark so no one gets to see them LOLOL > they have a really neat looking fish, looks just like a leaf forget to write down the name of it though. > i did not get it because they need live plants and i don't have any live plants at this time :) > i was trying to find a rope fish because i like them too but didn't see any there. will have to read up more about their care before i get one. > i am thinking of putting the 150 or 180 gallon tank on layaway .......... then all my fish will be very happy and have lots of room to move around in ........... > Darlene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36951	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

http://www.guppies.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=58&Itemid=8 3 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question Also how many times a day do i need to feed them and when the fry come how often? -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question You should have more females than males, yes he probably chased her to death. I have 7 guppies, 4 females and 3 males, and I have babies in a 10 gallon tank (perhaps 10 of them), only 2 are big enough to start showing color and I think they are females, I will probably add the females in with the other adults and give the male babies away. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > ?I > just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I > noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her > rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her > to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 > female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined > up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. > The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a > red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue > half circle on it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36952	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Fwd: [AquaticLife] have a question

That I will. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have a question Yes, you should have at least two females for every male in most situations.. sometimes even more than two females for every male. Man... I wanna come back as a fish when I die! ;-) As you saw, if there are not enough females, the male(s) will harass the females until death in some cases. Also have lots of plants so the females have places to hide. Of course, this will also mean that your fry will have more places to hide so be careful that you don't end up with an over crowded tank with water quality issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question ?I just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue half circle on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36953	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Didn't you read those articles last year about the person detained for smuggling arowana's I think it was in a apron specially made with pockets all over under their clothing? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people still wear those? LOL) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously you > have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that plane, > except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put it passed > them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones the next time > you fly, Amber <g>.) > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in > > secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if you're > > carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare > > them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way > > out of this predicament. > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact > that > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear > > get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally as it > > is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby > that a > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another > > example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because > > if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do > > something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt > > local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know > > the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, > > everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't > > care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now > starting > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some reason > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, > are > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about > > with our local government, and they preach about not releasing anything > > into our wilderness. > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > than I > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > over a > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, > that > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > fish and > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > > > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to > actually > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > getting > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > shipping > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > going > > > internationally. > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > > > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up against our > > > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite > a bit > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > > > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the truth is, > > > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and > that > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > spend a > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to > get a > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > the US > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > thing, > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > > > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to take the > > > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not supposed to > > > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard > way to > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > trying to > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is > that > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > government is > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > > > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly > supported > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do > their > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone > keeping > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to > get > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will own or > > > > keep any animals. > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go > for > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > Look at > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 > from > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a > cash > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in reporting > > > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > > > days to file it. > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, because the > > > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at > the > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in > this > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > bye-bye > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing > left, > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > started > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there > appears to > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters > from > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned > elsewhere > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of > that > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > perhaps, > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it > seems > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > legislator to > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > about > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an > albino, > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > Well > > > > sure > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > running around > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > non-albino > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > > > here in > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > north to > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > rats up on > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > pet rats > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted > to know > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > the vet > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > and then > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > brought > > > > all > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care > and he > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > customer, > > > LOL. > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > what fish > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > go out > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > > > ban in > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > actually > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and > some > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > years ago, > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone gets > > > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and > actually > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and > think > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just > want > > > > more > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all > know > > > > that > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > bird, > > > > fish, > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > material or > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an > individual > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > animal > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > breeding > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > for those > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > which means > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > > species > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > > areas of > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > > > would be > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > > country > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > > > endemic > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > Congress, > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned > their are > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. > That is > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be > supporting > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in > order to be > > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires UNDERSTANDING the > > > bill. > > > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR > against > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species > (primarily > > > > > > fishes > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in > Florida), there > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that means a > > > > decision > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create > talking > > > > > > points, and > > > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > people > > > > to reach > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular mail > > > to DC > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, > emails > > > > > > and faxes > > > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls > and > > > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > > Representatives > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to > visit. If > > > > you must > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > > prepare > > > > > > and > > > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so that > > > > they can > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > not > > > want > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > passionate with > > > > our > > > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason > and > > > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the > next > > > > > > stage for > > > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > > > with our > > > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > You can > > > > > > always > > > > > > > use your > > > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical > talking points > > > > > > in your > > > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a > difference.. > > > > > > (Saturday > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always > use > > > > your own > > > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > points > > > > in your > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put > together > > > > our > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36954	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh veggies in the tank

10 hours, after that it starts to rot. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fresh veggies in the tank So how long can I leave one leaf of Kale in my tank? I blanched it for about 15-20 seconds and then let it cool to room temp, then weighted it down with an ornament (since it floats really nicely). I've read that some people have luck feeding their hillstream loaches veggies, so I'm giving it a shot. This is fresh kale from the veggie isle at the grocery store. Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36955	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

My partner use to set off the sensor all the time until a store assistant asked for his shoes. Apparently when he purchased the shoes, the sale assistant at the time did not deactivate something in the soles of his shoes. Once his shoes had been deactivated, he never set off the alarms again. Apparently not all shoes have these alarm things embedded in them but a lot do. Food for thought for you. Cheers Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > So... why do you set them off? Metal plate in your head? Pacemaker? Or > maybe you're The \\Stevenator//! lol > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > When I fly, all my carryon is opened, as is the carryon of others. When > checking bags, they cannot be locked or need to have a TSA approved lock, > which means they can be opened for whatever reason TSA deems. Also, I have a > tendency to set off metal detectors when I walk through them, so I usually, > after the third or fourth time walking through, get hand scanned because > they do not listen to me when I tell them why it is set off. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our > > scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they > > going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people > > still wear those? LOL) > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously > > > you have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that > > > plane, except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put > > > it passed them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones > > > the next time you fly, Amber <g>.) > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish > > > > in secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know > > > > if you're carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you > > > > don't declare them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy > > > > way out of this predicament. > > > > > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the > > > > fact > > > that > > > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown > > > > bear get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here > > > > naturally as it is an isolated island and there are not any > > > > mainland areas nearby > > > that a > > > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as > > > > another example. Politicians are not going to care about those > > > > mussles because if they were to try to do something about it, they > > > > would have to do something to the boats that are bringing them in, > > > > and that could hurt local industry/income, etc. That is highly > > > > unlikely to happen, I know the politicians in my town are nothing > > > > but money hungry people, everything they do is to try to increase > > > > our local economy, they don't care if they destroy wild life in > > > > the process, but they are now > > > starting > > > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some > > > > reason > > > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did > > > > before, > > > are > > > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known > > > > about with our local government, and they preach about not > > > > releasing anything into our wilderness. > > > > > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > > > than I > > > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > > > over a > > > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as > > > > > pets, > > > that > > > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > > > fish and > > > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if > > > > > they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law > > > > > to > > > actually > > > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > > > getting > > > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > > > shipping > > > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > > > going > > > > > internationally. > > > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it > > > > > won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand > > > > > up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People > > > > > had to fight quite > > > a bit > > > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on > > > > > the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the > > > > > truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the > > > > > shortcut and > > > that > > > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > > > spend a > > > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers > > > > > to > > > get a > > > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > > > the US > > > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > > > thing, > > > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that > > > > > are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to > > > > > take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're > > > > > not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But > > > > > that's the hard > > > way to > > > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > > > trying to > > > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem > > > > > is > > > that > > > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > > > government is > > > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but > > > > > overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in > others). > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or > > > > > > not, whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be > > > > > > strongly > > > supported > > > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will > > > > > > do > > > their > > > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. > > > > > > Then they will start raising havoc about any importation or > > > > > > anyone > > > keeping > > > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely > > > > > > to > > > get > > > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will > > > > > > own or keep any animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will > > > > > > go > > > for > > > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > > > Look at > > > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere > > > > > > $10000 > > > from > > > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is > > > > > > a > > > cash > > > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in > > > > > > reporting the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form > > > > > > 8300. You have 15 days to file it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, > > > > > > because the government will take care of us when we retire, > > > > > > but the money at > > > the > > > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive > > > > > > in > > > this > > > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > > > bye-bye > > > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be > > > > > > nothing > > > left, > > > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > > > started > > > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of > > > > > > possible invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, > > > > > > there > > > appears to > > > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as > > > > > > zebra mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today > > > > > > that were brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply > > > > > > those waters > > > from > > > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on > > > > > > moving animals within the country from a place where they are > > > > > > endemic to places where they are not--for example the trout I > > > > > > mentioned > > > elsewhere > > > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history > > > > > > of > > > that > > > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > > > perhaps, > > > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than > > > > > > it > > > seems > > > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > > > legislator to > > > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have > > > > > > > an > > > albino, > > > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > > > Well > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > > > running around > > > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > > non-albino > > > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the > > > > > > > vet > > > > > here in > > > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > > > north to > > > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > > > rats up on > > > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > > > pet rats > > > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I > > > > > > > wanted > > > to know > > > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > > > the vet > > > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > > > and then > > > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > > > brought > > > > > > all > > > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet > > > > > > > care > > > and he > > > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > > > customer, > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > > > what fish > > > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > > > go out > > > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be > > > > > > > too difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this > > > > > > > stupid rat > > > > > ban in > > > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats > > > > > > > can > > > actually > > > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, > > > > > > > and > > > some > > > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > > > years ago, > > > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone > > > > > > > gets together (that's all American's who are not > > > > > > > politcian's) and > > > actually > > > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here > > > > > > > and > > > think > > > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they > > > > > > > just > > > want > > > > > > more > > > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily > > > > > > > be an invasive species if we let them loose in our > > > > > > > waterways, we all > > > know > > > > > > that > > > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > > > bird, > > > > > > fish, > > > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, > > > > > > > > arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > > > material or > > > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you > > > > > > > > are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to > > > > > > > > an > > > individual > > > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > > > animal > > > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > > > breeding > > > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > > > for those > > > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > > > which means > > > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage > > > > > > > > for > > > > > species > > > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species > > > > > > > > in > > > > > areas of > > > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > country > > > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing > > > > > > > > species > > > > > > endemic > > > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > > > Congress, > > > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36956	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

I don't really know that much about guppies, first hand because I've never really kept any outside of being feeder fish. But, I would suggest giving him options, also diverting the attention from the one female. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, angelandchase49@... wrote: > > ?I > just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I > noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her > rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her > to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 > female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined > up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. > The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a > red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue > half circle on it. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36957	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

When you are required to take your shoes off and send them through the X-Ray, it is pretty hard to set the detector off as you walk through in your stocking feet. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jasmine > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > My partner use to set off the sensor all the time until a store > assistant asked for his shoes. Apparently when he purchased the > shoes, the sale assistant at the time did not deactivate something in > the soles of his shoes. Once his shoes had been deactivated, he never > set off the alarms again. > > Apparently not all shoes have these alarm things embedded in them but > a lot do. > > Food for thought for you. > > Cheers > Jasmine > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > So... why do you set them off? Metal plate in your head? > Pacemaker? Or > > maybe you're The \\Stevenator//! lol > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > When I fly, all my carryon is opened, as is the carryon of others. When > > checking bags, they cannot be locked or need to have a TSA approved > lock, > > which means they can be opened for whatever reason TSA deems. Also, > I have a > > tendency to set off metal detectors when I walk through them, so I > usually, > > after the third or fourth time walking through, get hand scanned because > > they do not listen to me when I tell them why it is set off. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our > > > scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they > > > going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people > > > still wear those? LOL) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously > > > > you have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that > > > > plane, except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put > > > > it passed them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones > > > > the next time you fly, Amber <g>.) > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these > fish > > > > > in secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know > > > > > if you're carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you > > > > > don't declare them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > > > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > > > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy > > > > > way out of this predicament. > > > > > > > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the > > > > > fact > > > > that > > > > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown > > > > > bear get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here > > > > > naturally as it is an isolated island and there are not any > > > > > mainland areas nearby > > > > that a > > > > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the > closest. > > > > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as > > > > > another example. Politicians are not going to care about those > > > > > mussles because if they were to try to do something about it, > they > > > > > would have to do something to the boats that are bringing them > in, > > > > > and that could hurt local industry/income, etc. That is highly > > > > > unlikely to happen, I know the politicians in my town are nothing > > > > > but money hungry people, everything they do is to try to increase > > > > > our local economy, they don't care if they destroy wild life in > > > > > the process, but they are now > > > > starting > > > > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some > > > > > reason > > > > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did > > > > > before, > > > > are > > > > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known > > > > > about with our local government, and they preach about not > > > > > releasing anything into our wilderness. > > > > > > > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > > > > than I > > > > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > > > > over a > > > > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as > > > > > > pets, > > > > that > > > > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > > > > fish and > > > > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if > > > > > > they already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law > > > > > > to > > > > actually > > > > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > > > > getting > > > > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > > > > shipping > > > > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > > > > going > > > > > > internationally. > > > > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it > > > > > > won't be enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand > > > > > > up against our stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People > > > > > > had to fight quite > > > > a bit > > > > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's > still on > > > > > > the edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the > > > > > > truth is, they just want to fix things, and they often take the > > > > > > shortcut and > > > > that > > > > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > > > > spend a > > > > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers > > > > > > to > > > > get a > > > > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > > > > the US > > > > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > > > > thing, > > > > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that > > > > > > are non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you > want to > > > > > > take the short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're > > > > > > not supposed to flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. > But > > > > > > that's the hard > > > > way to > > > > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > > > > trying to > > > > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem > > > > > > is > > > > that > > > > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > > > > government is > > > > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but > > > > > > overall they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in > > others). > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or > > > > > > > not, whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be > > > > > > > strongly > > > > supported > > > > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will > > > > > > > do > > > > their > > > > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. > > > > > > > Then they will start raising havoc about any importation or > > > > > > > anyone > > > > keeping > > > > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely > > > > > > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will > > > > > > > own or keep any animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will > > > > > > > go > > > > for > > > > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > > > > Look at > > > > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere > > > > > > > $10000 > > > > from > > > > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if > it is > > > > > > > a > > > > cash > > > > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in > > > > > > > reporting the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form > > > > > > > 8300. You have 15 days to file it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, > > > > > > > because the government will take care of us when we retire, > > > > > > > but the money at > > > > the > > > > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive > > > > > > > in > > > > this > > > > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > > > > bye-bye > > > > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be > > > > > > > nothing > > > > left, > > > > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > > > > started > > > > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of > > > > > > > possible invasive species. Do note, that if you read the > bill, > > > > > > > there > > > > appears to > > > > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as > > > > > > > zebra mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes > today > > > > > > > that were brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply > > > > > > > those waters > > > > from > > > > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on > > > > > > > moving animals within the country from a place where they are > > > > > > > endemic to places where they are not--for example the trout I > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > elsewhere > > > > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history > > > > > > > of > > > > that > > > > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than > > > > > > > it > > > > seems > > > > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > > > > legislator to > > > > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have > > > > > > > > an > > > > albino, > > > > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in > Alaska. > > > > Well > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > > > > running around > > > > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > > > non-albino > > > > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the > > > > > > > > vet > > > > > > here in > > > > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > > > > north to > > > > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > > > > rats up on > > > > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > > > > pet rats > > > > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > to know > > > > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > > > > the vet > > > > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > > > > and then > > > > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > > > > brought > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet > > > > > > > > care > > > > and he > > > > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > > > > customer, > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > > > > what fish > > > > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > > > > go out > > > > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going > to be > > > > > > > > too difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this > > > > > > > > stupid rat > > > > > > ban in > > > > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats > > > > > > > > can > > > > actually > > > > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, > > > > > > > > and > > > > some > > > > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > > > > years ago, > > > > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until > everyone > > > > > > > > gets together (that's all American's who are not > > > > > > > > politcian's) and > > > > actually > > > > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here > > > > > > > > and > > > > think > > > > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they > > > > > > > > just > > > > want > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily > > > > > > > > be an invasive species if we let them loose in our > > > > > > > > waterways, we all > > > > know > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > > > > bird, > > > > > > > fish, > > > > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, > > > > > > > > > arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > > > > material or > > > > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd > reason, is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you > > > > > > > > > are permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to > > > > > > > > > an > > > > individual > > > > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > > > > animal > > > > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > > > > breeding > > > > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > > > > for those > > > > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > > > > which means > > > > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > species > > > > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > areas of > > > > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > country > > > > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing > > > > > > > > > species > > > > > > > endemic > > > > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > > > > Congress, > > > > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36958	From: greychildren	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Cascade 300 HOB filters

Hey guys i been given two Cascade 300 HOB filters . are these any good?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36959	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cascade 300 HOB filters

Free is always good! Penn-Plax makes them so not the most expensive brand but it's got a couple of features like the permanent bio-sponge that fits in the waterfall area so, if you choose to trash filter cartridges, at least the sponge stays cycled all the time.... of course, there's almost never a reason to trash a filter cartridge unless you've used the carbon to remove a medication or contamination. Here's more info and a good diagram on them... http://www.pennplax.com/Pages/Aqua.pages..../Aqua18F.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cascade 300 HOB filters Hey guys i been given two Cascade 300 HOB filters . are these any good?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36960	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

Nope, didn't hear about that, but it's food for thought, thanks :) I had no intention on smuggling in fish so I'm not worried about getting caught, I was just saying that it seems like they can't scan for bags of water, and unless they notice that you look "lumpy" then how will they know you're carrying something else? How did they find out that this person had arowana's on them? Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Didn't you read those articles last year about the person detained for > smuggling arowana's I think it was in a apron specially made with pockets > all over under their clothing? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > I happen to know people that work at the airport, and I know that our > scanners only scan for explosives, drugs, and metals. So how are they > going to know you have a bag of fish in your fanny pack? (do people > still wear those? LOL) > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > When speaking of carrying bags of fish on the airlines, obviously you > > have not flown recently. They know everything going onto that plane, > > except, maybe, the color of your underwear--and I'd not put it passed > > them to know that. (So be sure to wear your pretty ones the next time > > you fly, Amber <g>.) > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:46 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking about > > > > > > Passing a law like this will cause people to just breed these fish in > > > secrecy and sell them quietly. And how are they going to know if > you're > > > carrying bags of water and fish on the airlines if you don't declare > > > them? They can't scan for water ;) LOL. > > > There's always going to be ways around this bill, that's why it's > > > stupid. Yes, I see their reasoning, and I also see it as the easy way > > > out of this predicament. > > > > > > Animals will find a way in if they really want to. Such as the fact > > that > > > people have seen brown bear on our island, now how did that brown bear > > > get here except swimming? We don't have brown bear here naturally > as it > > > is an isolated island and there are not any mainland areas nearby > > that a > > > brown bear could swim from to get here. Canada would be the closest. > > > This is just one example, and I know you listed the mussles as another > > > example. Politicians are not going to care about those mussles because > > > if they were to try to do something about it, they would have to do > > > something to the boats that are bringing them in, and that could hurt > > > local industry/income, etc. That is highly unlikely to happen, I know > > > the politicians in my town are nothing but money hungry people, > > > everything they do is to try to increase our local economy, they don't > > > care if they destroy wild life in the process, but they are now > > starting > > > to care about what kind of wild life comes INTO America for some > reason > > > ;) We also have frogs living on our island when we never did before, > > are > > > they invasive? I don't know, but they are certainly well known about > > > with our local government, and they preach about not releasing > anything > > > into our wilderness. > > > > > > I would be a terrible politician, I have more empathy for animals > > than I > > > do for my fellow humans most of the time. I cry when someone runs > > over a > > > pigeon ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but how will they know what fish people are keeping as pets, > > that > > > > is my point. Unless someone comes out and says, "oh I have this > > fish and > > > > it's against the law to own it" then they can't find people if they > > > > already have these fish. My point is it's too big of a law to > > actually > > > > enforce, they will patrol the internet and other basic ways of > > getting > > > > fish, but they can't track what is sent in the mail and such, > > shipping > > > > companies don't have to declare what is inside a box unless it's > > going > > > > internationally. > > > > My point is that we all need to stand up against this or it won't be > > > > enough, just like unless I get half of Alaska to stand up > against our > > > > stupid rat ban then nothing will change. People had to fight quite > > a bit > > > > to get the law removed in Saskatchewan Canada, and it's still on the > > > > edge of being changed back. Politicians don't care what the > truth is, > > > > they just want to fix things, and they often take the shortcut and > > that > > > > shortcut isn't always the right way to do things. > > > > I've already looked into our stupid rat ban and unless I want to > > spend a > > > > lot of time and money to fight it on my own and find followers to > > get a > > > > petition started, then nothing will happen. > > > > They are worried that animals brought into the US will settle in > > the US > > > > and start reproducing and I can see where that can be a very bad > > thing, > > > > and their way to fix it is just to start banning all fish that are > > > > non-native or non-invasive, which makes sense if you want to > take the > > > > short-cut. They can also educate people on why you're not > supposed to > > > > flush fish or release them into a lake, etc. But that's the hard > > way to > > > > do things, and I doubt that will ever happen. I know they are > > trying to > > > > do this to help America, but there are other ways, the problem is > > that > > > > they are not as easy to do. > > > > I'm not your typical trusting American that believes our > > government is > > > > actually doing good for us (sure some of it may be good, but overall > > > > they're just being greedy in some fashion, or lazy in others). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It does not make a whit of difference if the law is stupid or not, > > > > > whether it is enforced or not. This attempt will be strongly > > supported > > > > > by the Animal Rights people. If it does get passed, they will do > > their > > > > > best to get most animals covered by the law on the blacklist. Then > > > > > they will start raising havoc about any importation or anyone > > keeping > > > > > any of these animals on a selective basis, where it is likely to > > get > > > > > them a lot of press. Remember, their aim is that no one will > own or > > > > > keep any animals. > > > > > > > > > > If they are able to get something like this passed, they will go > > for > > > > > more and bigger game. > > > > > > > > > > This is how we lose our liberties, one little piece at a time. > > Look at > > > > > how regulated we have become. Ever try to receive a mere $10000 > > from > > > > > one person or group? Additional paperwork is required if it is a > > cash > > > > > transaction (which covers a lot more than actual cash) in > reporting > > > > > the transaction to the IRS in the form of a Form 8300. You have 15 > > > > > days to file it. > > > > > > > > > > What has Social Security done to us? We no longer save, > because the > > > > > government will take care of us when we retire, but the money at > > the > > > > > end of the rainbow is far less than you even need to survive in > > this > > > > > world, but if you work to make up the difference, start saying > > bye-bye > > > > > to your SS dollars. > > > > > > > > > > Everything gets chipped away at, and soon, there will be nothing > > left, > > > > > and people will wonder why. Now, keep in mind that everything > > started > > > > > with a good reason. In this case, preventing the entry of possible > > > > > invasive species. Do note, that if you read the bill, there > > appears to > > > > > be nothing about accidental importation of species--such as zebra > > > > > mussels that are such a problem in the Great Lakes today that were > > > > > brought in the ballast loads of the ships that ply those waters > > from > > > > > foreign ports. Nor does there seem to be any limitation on moving > > > > > animals within the country from a place where they are endemic to > > > > > places where they are not--for example the trout I mentioned > > elsewhere > > > > > when talking about this bill. > > > > > > > > > > It would seem to me that you may want to dig into the history of > > that > > > > > bill banning all color forms of rats, other than white, and, > > perhaps, > > > > > work to get it off the books, which may be a lot harder than it > > seems > > > > > it should be. (Quickest way would be to get a friendly > > legislator to > > > > > add it as an amendment to an important "must pass" bill.) > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:49 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on this is: > > > > > > They already have pet rats banned in Alaska unless you have an > > albino, > > > > > > that's the only kind that are legal to have as pets in Alaska. > > Well > > > > > sure > > > > > > that's all fine and dandy, but is there actually anyone > > running around > > > > > > enforcing this law or making sure the pet stores don't get > > non-albino > > > > > > rats for sale? NO, not one single person seems to care, the vet > > > > here in > > > > > > my town didn't even know about the law until he called up > > north to > > > > > > Anchorage to ask questions about what is required to bring > > rats up on > > > > > > the airlines. This was a few years back when I brought some > > pet rats > > > > > > from breeders in the NW up here on the airlines, and I wanted > > to know > > > > > > what I needed to do. The airlines didn't know about the law, > > the vet > > > > > > didn't even know until after he asked about the requirements > > and then > > > > > > all he did was tell me the law, he never enforced it, I even > > brought > > > > > all > > > > > > my dalmatian rats to him at some point or another for vet care > > and he > > > > > > never once said a word about it, because he would lose a > > customer, > > > > LOL. > > > > > > Now, my point is, do they actually have some way to monitor > > what fish > > > > > > people already own and what they breed if you don't actually > > go out > > > > > > there and tell anyone? I doubt it... This law is going to be too > > > > > > difficult for them to actually uphold, just like this stupid rat > > > > ban in > > > > > > Alaska that makes no sense. They think that domestic rats can > > actually > > > > > > get loose and breed with wild rats, umm... No they can't, and > > some > > > > > > stupid politician won't listen to anything otherwise. > > > > > > Politician's are idiots IMO, which is why I gave up voting > > years ago, > > > > > > this whole country isn't run well either, but until everyone > gets > > > > > > together (that's all American's who are not politcian's) and > > actually > > > > > > does something about it, we will just continue to sit here and > > think > > > > > > they are trying to do good for us... When in reality they just > > want > > > > > more > > > > > > money from us, we're just being used in the long run. > > > > > > Anyways, enough rant from me. > > > > > > Also why would goldfish be an exception? They could easily be an > > > > > > invasive species if we let them loose in our waterways, we all > > know > > > > > that > > > > > > they eat like little pigs ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only fish, but all animals: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(i) any such live, wild species or sub-species of mammal, > > bird, > > > > > fish, > > > > > > > reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, > > > > > > > coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive > > > > > material or > > > > > > > offspring thereof;" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With certain exceptions, goldfish, for some odd reason, is an > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you own a species that is banned by the act, you are > > > > > > > permitted to keep it. However, that section refers to an > > individual > > > > > > > animal, which most sane people would take to mean a single > > animal > > > > > > > which could, and probably would, be construed to mean that > > breeding > > > > > > > pair you have is illegal. There seems to be no exceptions > > for those > > > > > > > fish or animals raised for sale in this country, either, > > which means > > > > > > > bye-bye fish farms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the bill does not have any coverage for > > > > species > > > > > > > native to this country, that have become invasive species in > > > > areas of > > > > > > > the country where they are not native. A good example of this > > > > > would be > > > > > > > the various trout species that have been stocked all over the > > > > country > > > > > > > for the pleasure of sports fishermen, often displacing species > > > > > endemic > > > > > > > to the watershed where they were stocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do keep in mind, that as this bill wends its way through > > Congress, > > > > > > > many changes can and will be made, not necessarily for the > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop or limit the import of aquarium fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was > > talking about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm missing one key detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what would the bill do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > > > > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: <joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com> > > > > > > > > To: <anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <AfricanFinches@ <mailto:AfricanFinches%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > <unsubscribe@ <mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:11 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Reguarding the bill I was talking > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this says it all. Like some have mentioned > > their are > > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > for this bill. But I thought this response was well written. > > > > > > > > Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: rcristo@sbcglobal. > <mailto:rcristo%40sbcglobal.net> net > > > > > > > > Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > > > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > To: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@ > > <mailto:SOFTBILLED_BIRDS%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, NFSS-P-P@yahoogroup > > > > > > > <mailto:NFSS-P-P%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > > > > > > > NFSS@yahoogroups. <mailto:NFSS%40yahoogroups.com> com > > > > > > > > Sent: 1/31/2009 10:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > > > > > > > > Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: _Laurella Desborough_ (mailto:laurelladesborough@ > > > > > > > > <mailto:laurelladesborough%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net) > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:52 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [teamaviculture] Please forward to the Lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDING H.R. 669... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H.R. 669 is a very important bill. It has been introduced. > > That is > > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > first step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since many powerful animal rights organizations will be > > supporting > > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > using the capwiz to do so, we need to be ORGANIZED in > > order to be > > > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > We also will use our capwiz tool... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not sufficient to RUN OUT AND DO SOMETHING. > > > > > > > > Working on legislation effectively requires > UNDERSTANDING the > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > Then preparing REASONABLE arguments against the bill OR > > against > > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is a serious problem with invasive species > > (primarily > > > > > > > fishes > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other water creatures but also Burmese pythons in > > Florida), there > > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > strong interest in passing this legislation. So, that > means a > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > to be made as to whether to fight the entire bill or to seek > > > > > > > amendments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our legislative people need to analyze the bill, create > > talking > > > > > > > points, and > > > > > > > > put the bill on the NAIA Trust capwiz so it is easy for > > people > > > > > to reach > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > Congressmen and Senators. It takes WEEKS to send regular > mail > > > > to DC > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > mail being processed thru an anthrax detection system. So, > > emails > > > > > > > and faxes > > > > > > > > will more quickly reach our legislators. Also, phone calls > > and > > > > > > > VISISTS when > > > > > > > > they are in home territory. Find out when YOUR House of > > > > > Representatives > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > will be in home territory and make an appointment to > > visit. If > > > > > you must > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > a letter, send it to their home office, not DC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than go off half cocked, we need to use our heads and > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > present realistic and reasonable points to OUR people so > that > > > > > they can > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > those points to their federal legislators. One thing we do > > not > > > > want > > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > come across as rude or stupid. It is great to be > > passionate with > > > > > our > > > > > > > > comments, but that passion needs to be infused with reason > > and > > > > > > > RESPECT for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > legislator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, those of us watching the legislation will check on the > > next > > > > > > > stage for > > > > > > > > the bill, which will be a committee hearing. > > > > > > > > Then we will need to target th! e member s of that committee > > > > > with our > > > > > > > > comments so the bill is seen as problematic from the get go. > > > > > > > > We will do this with the capwiz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, give those of us working on legislation today and > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > > (Saturday and Sunday) to put together our talking points. > > You can > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > use your > > > > > > > > own comments, but it helps to include some critical > > talking points > > > > > > > in your > > > > > > > > message. Even how you TITLE your email will make a > > difference.. > > > > > > > (Saturday > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Sunday) to put together our talking points. You can always > > use > > > > > your own > > > > > > > > comments, but it helps to include some critical talking > > points > > > > > in your > > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > Even how you TITLE your em (Saturday and Sunday) to put > > together > > > > > our > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > points. You can always use your own com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurella Desborough, ASA Legislative Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36961	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

After reviewing the links, the pic I have... it looks a bit faded as far as coloration. his tail is the same and his shape is the same; but his head is not red/orange. But his fins have red/orange on them. I kind of feel somewhat frustrated. The petstore has them labled as Geo Red Head Tapajos. So do we think he's what you had originally thought; the Surinamus Geophagus? (the name I pulled from my poor memory so it may be a bit wrong) --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My mystery Cichlid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:11 PM I DO NOT think the picture you have is of Geophagus Tapajos Redhead. I think it was properly ID'ed before. The picture you have shows white spots on the tail where the G. Tapajos redhead fish has dark colored horizontal stripes on the tail, pectoral and anal fins. In either case, they are S. American cichlids where you currently have a motley mix of African's and maybe one S. American from what I remember... which are already going to give you trouble. You need to go read all of the profiles that I've already given you on your current fish, especially the Mongabay profiles which has a section called "Suggested Companions" and stick with compatible tank mates. You also need to work out a plan to rehome some of your current cichlids before they start growing up more and get aggressive against each other. Here's more info on the G. tapajos redhead... http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 1002 http://fish. mongabay. com/eartheaters. htm http://www.cichlid- forum.com/ profiles/ species.php? id=465 http://www.cichlidf orums.com/ cichlidbase/ index.php/ profiles/ Geophagus- sp.-Re dhead-Tapajos- 191.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:49 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] My mystery Cichlid http://i39.tinypic. com/9prvjr. jpg Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an earth eater. Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated species genus name) He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel sifter. Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? thanks in advance!! -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36962	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>>

I guess it is safe to say that I have a very eclectic mix of Cichlids. They are still pretty young, I think that my Kenyi is going to be trouble - he recently became mature and yellow. He is the craziest of the bunch. The Jewel is the most picked on. And as far as my pleco - I think he's a common pleco like my other one (but this one hides in the cave and doesn't jump out of the water like the one in my 55gal). Since my Cichlids are so young, they are only in a 20 gallon. I figure I will push them up to the 55 when the time comes that they are too big for the 20.   -gail --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Need a cichlid recommendation>>> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 7:39 PM What size tank? What species of Pleco? If a common pleco, they need a minimum of 75G of water for themselves due to their adult size in excess of 18". Red Tail Obliquien - I do not recognize this name and don't see any reference to this name in a Google search. Can you give us more info on where you got this name? Below, you will also see from snips from the profiles/care sheets on each of your fish that clearly shows you have incompatible fish and you will likely have many problems trying to keep this mix of fish. They each come from completely different biotopes with different water parameters and needs. Convict - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Cichlasoma_ nigrofasciatum. html Habitat: The Convict Cichlid comes from a number of varied biotopes. Central America; from Lake Atitlan and Lake Amatitlan in Guatemala south to Panama. Water chemistry: pH 6.5-8.8 (7.0), dH 4-20 (10), 68-81°F (20-27°C) Social behavior: An aggressive fish despite its size. It is best not to keep an unstable pair in solitude, for the weaker of the mates likely be killed. Try raising a group of fish from youth to get the best pairings. Combine with other similarly sized cichlids. The pairs form nuclear families. The Convict Cichlid is not well suited for the "typical" community tank containing tetras and livebearers. Kennyi - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Pseudotropheus_ lombardoi. html Habitat: Eastern Africa; found only around the Mbenji Islands in Lake Malawi Water chemistry: pH 7.5-9.0 (8.1), 12-25 dH (16), 73-81°F (23-27°C) Social behavior: The Kennyi is an aggressive cichlid while young. With age the fish become even more belligerent and territorial. Combine the Kennyi with other robust mbunas to distract them from fighting with other of their own species. Keep one male with several females. Tensions are reduced when kept in a large tank with a number of hiding places. 5 Bar Tropheus - I'm not sure where you came up with this name but I'm guessing you meant the Five Bar Cichlid - N. Tretcephalus, that we had talked about in an earlier thread. http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Neolamprologus_ tretocephalus. html Habitat: Eastern Africa; rocky shore areas of Lake Tanganyika. Water chemistry: pH 7.5-8.2 (7.9), 8-18 dH (12), 75-81°F (24-27°C) Social behavior: A territorial fish that will establish large territories. Combine with other robust Tanganyika cichlids and catfish. Pairs form monogamous bonds and nuclear families during the spawning season. Red Jewel Cichlid - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Hemichromis_ bimaculatus. html Habitat: Western Africa; found in forested streams in the Niger River Watershed in Guinea, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Mali, and Sierra Leone. Water chemistry: pH 6-7.8 (7.2), 4-18 dH (10), 72-82°F (22-28°C) Social behavior: A territorial species that becomes very aggressive and intolerant with the arrival of spawning. The Jewel Cichlid is relatively peaceful towards other species outside of the spawning time. Best kept in pairs, although if the pair is incompatible, the weaker fish will likely be killed. Pairs form monogamous bonds and make fine parents who care for the young in a nuclear family. My suggestion would be that you get more tanks so you can separate these fish into more suitable conditions and tank mates. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:59 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need a cichlid recommendation> >> --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, gail <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > I am looking for another fun Cichlid to add to the mix. I really liked the looks and color of the Surinam Geophagus "Earth eater." > Okay, honestly I have an itch to get another fish. > > In my Cichlid tank I currently have the following: >    1 Convict (male) >     1 Kenyi (male) >     1 Red Tail Obliquien >     1 5 Bar Tropheus 1 Red jewel 1 Pleco. >   > ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36963	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

In a message dated 2/2/2009 9:43:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Nope, didn't hear about that, but it's food for thought, thanks :) I had no intention on smuggling in fish so I'm not worried about getting caught, I was just saying that it seems like they can't scan for bags of water, and unless they notice that you look "lumpy" then how will they know you're carrying something else? How did they find out that this person had arowana's on them? Amber Amber, I work with USDA and have worked with them since 1989 ( OMG! I just dated myself as an old one!). Anyway, water is highly visible on x-ray and yes, we can see the bags of water. And fruits and the chihuahua in your purse ( I'm NOT kidding). I can look at the x-ray of a bag and tell you how many pairs of shoes and jeans you got in there. People think that wrapping stuff up in foil will warp the x-rays, but no, it doesnt.. You would have to wrap in lead, but then all alarms will go off at this huge hunk of metal... What I'm saying is, it's very hard to smuggle anything. This bill is scary. PETA people need to be stopped. At one time they were considered domestic terrorists, guess they are paying big bucks to politicians to get this kinda stuff in, even if it's edgewise. When people dont vote ( or object) they get this stuff imposed on them. Enid "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals?c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26~ck=anavml) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36964	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: have a question

ty -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 6:41 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have a question http://www.guppies.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=58&Itemid=8 3 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question Also how many times a day do i need to feed them and when the fry come how often? -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question You should have more females than males, yes he probably chased her to death. I have 7 guppies, 4 females and 3 males, and I have babies in a 10 gallon tank (perhaps 10 of them), only 2 are big enough to start showing color and I think they are females, I will probably add the females in with the other adults and give the male babies away. Amber angelandchase49@... wrote: > > ?I > just lost another female guppy only had one male and one female. I > noticed the male kept chasing after the female and not letting her > rest. Is it possible that he chased her as in wanting to mate with her > to her death? She was healthy showed no signs of illness.? I got 2 > female guppies today as well. both are healthy. I do have people lined > up to take the babies when the tank gets to have too many fish in it. > The male is a fancy red tailed guppy females are light orange with a > red tail and the other is light orange with light orange tail and blue > half circle on it. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36965	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Reguarding the bill I was talking about

That's if it goes through the x-ray, I'm aware that you can see all sorts of stuff on the x-ray. But if someone is carrying it on their person then they have a hard time telling that they are carrying bags of water unless they look obvious. A woman could put a bag of water in her bra with a fish in it and who's going to pat down a woman to see if they are carrying a bag of water in their bra? ;) Now I know the men might think about it, but I believe that would be called "groping" not searching ;) LOL And all I can say is, "Poor chihuahua" I wouldn't want to be stuffed in a purse. People will try anything once (and sometimes more than once if they're stubborn) until they get caught. Amber Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/2/2009 9:43:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > Nope, didn't hear about that, but it's food for thought, thanks :) > I had no intention on smuggling in fish so I'm not worried about getting > caught, I was just saying that it seems like they can't scan for bags of > water, and unless they notice that you look "lumpy" then how will they > know you're carrying something else? How did they find out that this > person had arowana's on them? > > Amber > > Amber, I work with USDA and have worked with them since 1989 ( OMG! I > just > dated myself as an old one!). Anyway, water is highly visible on x-ray > and > yes, we can see the bags of water. And fruits and the chihuahua in > your purse ( > I'm NOT kidding). I can look at the x-ray of a bag and tell you how > many pairs > of shoes and jeans you got in there. People think that wrapping stuff > up in > foil will warp the x-rays, but no, it doesnt.. You would have to wrap in > lead, but then all alarms will go off at this huge hunk of metal... > What I'm > saying is, it's very hard to smuggle anything. This bill is scary. > PETA people > need to be stopped. At one time they were considered domestic > terrorists, guess > they are paying big bucks to politicians to get this kinda stuff in, > even if > it's edgewise. When people dont vote ( or object) they get this stuff > imposed on them. > Enid > > "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in > a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, > thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- > WOW--What a Ride!!!" > > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co> > ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals?c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d > hs%26~ck=anavml) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36966	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36967	From: ''Grey'' Greymane	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

Send me your mailing address and I'll send you one of my extras. Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: Jpateson@... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:02:34 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit? If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36968	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

This page http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Downloads.html has downloads of the instructions and you can right-click save copies of the color cards. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:03 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit? If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36969	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Amazing survival of a Betta

So, I recently started a new job and we have a Betta in our office. Great! And his name is "Killer". Here is the amazing part; the girl who takes care of him (never owned one before and can barely keep a plant alive lol) She tells me that she stopped treating his water months ago. Yikes! Then, I catch her cleaning his bowl... she is washing the bowl and all of his rocks with Dawn dish soap. OMG!!! She has been doing this for months and months (maybe up to 1 year) and he is still Alive!!! She never did PWC, she has always done full water changes. I am amazed that "Killer" is still alive. In accordance with my knowledge... he should be a dead fish.   Can anyone relate to such an amazing tale?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36970	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amazing survival of a Betta

Perhaps she is rinsing the stuff well enough that the soap residue isn't affecting the betta? I'm not sure what's in the water at your office, but if it's just ammonia and no metal's or chlorine she might be okay, as the bacteria would take care of the ammonia in the water, but I'm not sure where the bacteria would be living in the container if she's washing it wish soap.... Gosh you have a very valid point, I'm not sure how this betta managed to survive. I had a betta years and years ago when I was a teenager and I didn't know anything about fish at that point, I did full water changes on his little "cup" container that came from walmart (this was in the lower US where you can get fish at walmart, not here in Alaska). I never treated his water with anything because I didn't know I wasn't supposed to. But I did NOT wash his cup with anything, or the gravel and such, I just rinsed them with tap water and refilled his cup. He made it at least 6 months (I moved and passed him on to a family member to take care of, didn't want to bring him back to Alaska). The soap part really makes me wonder, the rest of it isn't surprising, as betta's seem to be very resilient compared to other freshwater fish. Amber gail wrote: > > So, I recently started a new job and we have a Betta in our office. > Great! And his name is "Killer". > Here is the amazing part; the girl who takes care of him (never owned > one before and can barely keep a plant alive lol) She tells me that > she stopped treating his water months ago. Yikes! Then, I catch her > cleaning his bowl... she is washing the bowl and all of his rocks with > Dawn dish soap. OMG!!! She has been doing this for months and months > (maybe up to 1 year) and he is still Alive!!! She never did PWC, she > has always done full water changes. I am amazed that "Killer" is still > alive. In accordance with my knowledge... he should be a dead fish. > > Can anyone relate to such an amazing tale?? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36971	From: gail	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish

I have found that even small pet shops will have some sort of a guarantee. Example; the one I just bought from had a 48 hour guarantee / 7 day 50% credit guarantee. If that makes any sense. A lot of the local ones here will at least give you 7 days at 50% replacement cost. Which sucks in comparison to the big box Petsmart or Petco. But, it's better than nothing. I totally keep all of my fishy receipts - especially ones from the big stores. I have actually had to replace a Pleco 2 or 3 times from Petsmart. --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guaranteed fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:58 PM No petsmart here, we have a local fish store only, very small run business. Maybe only 30 or so tanks, ranging in sizes from 10-20 gallons up to a couple of 55 gallons and a bow front, not sure of the size. I wish they had more selection though. Amber Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > All of our Petsmarts guarantee fish for two weeks (save your receipt > when you buy them). I also ask how long they have had fish before I > buy them. Some of our local stores will match the guarantee if I > remind them of the Petsmart guarantee : ) and some already do it. Most > of our local stores do not sell fish until the fish have had a > quarantine period and they, like Petsmart, will take the fish off of > the market if you point out illnesses with the fish. > > Anyway, just wanted to make sure you knew about the Petsmart warranty > since I saw someone's post that s/he got sick fish from there. (Amber, > maybe?) > > Deb P. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36972	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish

Mine has exchanged fish for me in the past when they died soon after purchase, but they don't have any guarantee posted anywhere, nor have they told me that they have one ;) LOL. Amber gail wrote: > > > I have found that even small pet shops will have some sort of a guarantee. > Example; the one I just bought from had a 48 hour guarantee / 7 day > 50% credit guarantee. > If that makes any sense. A lot of the local ones here will at least > give you 7 days at 50% replacement cost. Which sucks in comparison to > the big box Petsmart or Petco. But, it's better than nothing. I > totally keep all of my fishy receipts - especially ones from the big > stores. I have actually had to replace a Pleco 2 or 3 times from > Petsmart. > > --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guaranteed fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:58 PM > > No petsmart here, we have a local fish store only, very small run > business. Maybe only 30 or so tanks, ranging in sizes from 10-20 gallons > up to a couple of 55 gallons and a bow front, not sure of the size. I > wish they had more selection though. > > Amber > > Debra Penna-Fredericks wrote: > > > > All of our Petsmarts guarantee fish for two weeks (save your receipt > > when you buy them). I also ask how long they have had fish before I > > buy them. Some of our local stores will match the guarantee if I > > remind them of the Petsmart guarantee : ) and some already do it. Most > > of our local stores do not sell fish until the fish have had a > > quarantine period and they, like Petsmart, will take the fish off of > > the market if you point out illnesses with the fish. > > > > Anyway, just wanted to make sure you knew about the Petsmart warranty > > since I saw someone's post that s/he got sick fish from there. (Amber, > > maybe?) > > > > Deb P. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36973	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Question about vineger

I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36974	From: Debra Penna-Fredericks	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

I think I may have an extra card from an old kit. If I do, I can stick it in snail-mail to you so you will not have to wonder whether your computer/printer colors match the colors on the card.  I don't know whether I still have the manual, but I'll check. Write me off-list with your address if you want me to mail you the card. Deb P. --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Jim Pat. <Jpateson@...> wrote: If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36975	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: New Member Koi Interest

Hi Posters, I am a new member finally trying to make use of the yahoo groups for hobby related things. I am a Japanese Koi and garden fanatic and am finding lots of info out there, like this group. For those interested, here is my blog. I am trying to cover outdoor koi ponds and the garden around it. I am also trying to cover photography of both. Enjoy! http://koigarden.blogspot.com/

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

I would say no, just because the vinegar could drip down into the tank if you use too much. I would be very careful if you do though. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral > build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a > Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper > region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet > cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do something like that, but I live in a condo :( Besides, my hubby would just say, "Now you're keeping fish outside too?!" LOL I live north of you (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this winter, very wintery this year for us at least, this is the most snow I've seen in my town in at least 15 years, most of the time we get a few inches and then it rains. Amber rudinsky_mike wrote: > > Hi Posters, I am a new member finally trying to make use of the yahoo > groups for hobby related things. I am a Japanese Koi and garden > fanatic and am finding lots of info out there, like this group. > > For those interested, here is my blog. I am trying to cover outdoor > koi ponds and the garden around it. I am also trying to cover > photography of both. > > Enjoy! > > http://koigarden.blogspot.com/ <http://koigarden.blogspot.com/> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36978	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Is there a lot of build up that you want to get off the glass? I use a mag-float to clean the glass, and if the upper part of the 10 gallon tank is dirty after I refill it, I can never really tell just how dirty it was after there's more water in the tank. My betta doesn't usually get his tank very dirty though, the algae does ;) I only feed him once, and it's usually every other day, sometimes I feed him for a couple days and then give him a day break, depending on how hungry he's acting, normally he's pretty docile in his tank and doesn't beg for food. If it's just a film buildup and nothing too hard to get off the tank I would just get an algae scrapper, they have the kinds that have a metal piece to scrape with, and it's on a long stick (in various sizes depending on your tank size), you don't have to get one of the more expensive mag-floats, I just like them because I don't have to stick my hands in the tank as much ;) Or I would assume that a clean (brand new) paint scraper would do the same thing as the algae scrapers do, just be careful scraping if it's an acrylic tank and not glass, as they scratch easily. If it's just a simple film that will wipe off you could just use a wet paper towel to wipe it off with, most of the time if the film hasn't been dry for too long it will still wipe off with water/paper towel. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I would say no, just because the vinegar could drip down into the tank > if you use too much. I would be very careful if you do though. > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral > > build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a > > Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper > > region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet > > cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Hillstream Loaches

Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone have any advice for me? I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding to my posts :( Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours? I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36980	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Are their bellies hollow? What about sinking algae wafers? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone have any advice for me? I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding to my posts :( Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours? I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

I'm not sure since they're like trying to look at a pleco's belly, LOL. Not to mention they're very fast, and if I get too close to the tank to look they swim away ;) The shipper that I got them from said they don't eat sinking algae wafers at all, so I haven't even tried them. He said he was feeding them "meaty foods", one of them was the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, which he sent me some of. But I have yet to see them even try to eat them, since they just float on top of the water, not sure how he was feeding them since I haven't heard back from him in a week since I last emailed him asking questions about the food, I pretty much gave up on that route, LOL. They've gotten more active in the last week (exploring the tank and such), but I can't tell if it's because they can't find as much food or if they're happy and exploring. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Are their bellies hollow? What about sinking algae wafers? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time > grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back > glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but > with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if > they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with > egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it > or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on > the plate, LOL. > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I > approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and > that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure > they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone > have any advice for me? > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > to my posts :( > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as > the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36982	From: William	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

That looks like a Geophagus surinamensis to me. Or at least what is being sold as G. surinamensis. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an earth eater. > Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated species genus name) > He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. > He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel sifter. > > Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? > > > thanks in advance!! > -gail > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36983	From: William	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

You can trey setting up a smaller tank that will set in the sun or under lots of light. You will put some aquarium safe rocks or ornaments in it to grow algae on it (them) and rotate the rocks as needed. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time > grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back > glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but > with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if > they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with > egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it > or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on > the plate, LOL. > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I > approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and > that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure > they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone > have any advice for me? > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > to my posts :( > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as > the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36984	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

I used to keep baby Koi in a 70 gallon aquarium for the first few years. It makes it easier to keep them alive. Then when they were 5 inches or so, I would move them outside. Glad you liked the photos! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do > something like that, but I live in a condo :( > Besides, my hubby would just say, "Now you're keeping fish outside > too?!" LOL > I live north of you (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this > winter, very wintery this year for us at least, this is the most snow > I've seen in my town in at least 15 years, most of the time we get a few > inches and then it rains. > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36985	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Well the tank grows algae well enough (too well, in a week the front glass is now starting to turn green all over from the algae, since I haven't scraped it yet). If I put a tank outside in the "sun" it would freeze, and there's not enough sun in Alaska to really do that I think, it's way overcast here most of the year (lots of rain here year round). I have for 65 watt CFL bulbs (22 inches long) over the top of the 125 gallon tank, and the plants seem to love it, and the algae ;) Even the 10 gallon tank in the window doesn't grow that much algae compared to my 125 gallon tank. My betta tank upstairs mostly grows hair algae and not much else, LOL. Amber William wrote: > > You can trey setting up a smaller tank that will set in the sun or > under lots of light. You will put some aquarium safe rocks or > ornaments in it to grow algae on it (them) and rotate the rocks as > needed. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm > worried > > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > time > > grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the > back > > glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), > but > > with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not > sure if > > they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with > > egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of > it > > or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing > on > > the plate, LOL. > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause > more > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid > when I > > approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild > caught and > > that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > shadow/movement. > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > sure > > they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does > anyone > > have any advice for me? > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is > responding > > to my posts :( > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that > eats > > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if > you're > > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering > if I > > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating > food, as > > the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're > tiny. > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and > see > > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's > to > > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I > over > > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the > tank > > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > Amber > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36986	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

LOL, I meant I have FOUR 65 watt CFL bulbs ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Well the tank grows algae well enough (too well, in a week the front > glass is now starting to turn green all over from the algae, since I > haven't scraped it yet). If I put a tank outside in the "sun" it would > freeze, and there's not enough sun in Alaska to really do that I think, > it's way overcast here most of the year (lots of rain here year round). > I have for 65 watt CFL bulbs (22 inches long) over the top of the 125 > gallon tank, and the plants seem to love it, and the algae ;) > Even the 10 gallon tank in the window doesn't grow that much algae > compared to my 125 gallon tank. My betta tank upstairs mostly grows hair > algae and not much else, LOL. > > Amber > > William wrote: > > > > You can trey setting up a smaller tank that will set in the sun or > > under lots of light. You will put some aquarium safe rocks or > > ornaments in it to grow algae on it (them) and rotate the rocks as > > needed. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm > > worried > > > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > > time > > > grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the > > back > > > glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), > > but > > > with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not > > sure if > > > they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with > > > egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of > > it > > > or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing > > on > > > the plate, LOL. > > > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause > > more > > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid > > when I > > > approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild > > caught and > > > that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > > shadow/movement. > > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > > sure > > > they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does > > anyone > > > have any advice for me? > > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is > > responding > > > to my posts :( > > > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that > > eats > > > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if > > you're > > > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering > > if I > > > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating > > food, as > > > the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're > > tiny. > > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and > > see > > > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > > > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's > > to > > > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I > > over > > > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the > > tank > > > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Yes. Try not to drip any into the water but it won't kill the fish if you do... but it will lower the pH depending on how much gets in the water so it's best to NOT get any in the water. Just dampen the cloth with the vinegar, wipe away, then dry, then refill tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:49 PM To: aquaticlife Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about vineger I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

Amber, Shhhhhh... AlGore (mimicking Igor.. lol) and the Nobel Prize Commission might be listening and you'll blow his entire Nobel Prize "theory" about global warming. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Member Koi Interest I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do something like that, but I live in a condo :( Besides, my hubby would just say, "Now you're keeping fish outside too?!" LOL I live north of you (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this winter, very wintery this year for us at least, this is the most snow I've seen in my town in at least 15 years, most of the time we get a few inches and then it rains. Amber rudinsky_mike wrote: > > Hi Posters, I am a new member finally trying to make use of the yahoo > groups for hobby related things. I am a Japanese Koi and garden > fanatic and am finding lots of info out there, like this group. > > For those interested, here is my blog. I am trying to cover outdoor > koi ponds and the garden around it. I am also trying to cover > photography of both. > > Enjoy! > > http://koigarden.blogspot.com/ <http://koigarden.blogspot.com/>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36989	From: pam andress	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Amber, Take a pinch of the powder and put your hand in the tank and move your fingers together. Some will float up, but a lot should go to the bottom. I do the same thing for my baby panda cory fry. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: amber@...: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:00:11 -0900Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL.I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone have any advice for me?I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding to my posts :(Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours?I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear).Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36990	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Thanks Pam, I will try that. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > Amber, > > Take a pinch of the powder and put your hand in the tank and move your > fingers together. Some will float up, but a lot should go to the > bottom. I do the same thing for my baby panda cory fry. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.comFrom>: amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.comDate>: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:00:11 > -0900Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off > the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for > me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm > not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the > plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they > ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy > guppies grazing on the plate, LOL.I don't want to put them in a > separate tank as that could cause more harm than good (with no algae > at all to graze on). They are timid when I approach the tank, which > doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would be survival > instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. So I tend to feed and > walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure they're eating ;) > Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone have any advice > for me?I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is > responding to my posts :(Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at > all? Or a fish that eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying > plant matter if you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, > but I'm wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours?I'm > not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as > the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > (LOL, just my luck I swear).Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36991	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" can't stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock with a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The rough/porous texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. Re-read that article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on the slate, so drying it completely is probably the way to go. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone have any advice for me? I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding to my posts :( Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours? I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36992	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

Okay I'll try to be quiet Lenny ;) LOL He might take "his" internet away if I say too much ;) heheh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber, > > Shhhhhh... AlGore (mimicking Igor.. lol) and the Nobel Prize Commission > might be listening and you'll blow his entire Nobel Prize "theory" about > global warming. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Member Koi Interest > > I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do > something like that, but I live in a condo :( Besides, my hubby would just > say, "Now you're keeping fish outside too?!" LOL I live north of you > (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this winter, very wintery this > year for us at least, this is the most snow I've seen in my town in at > least > 15 years, most of the time we get a few inches and then it rains. > > Amber > > rudinsky_mike wrote: > > > > Hi Posters, I am a new member finally trying to make use of the yahoo > > groups for hobby related things. I am a Japanese Koi and garden > > fanatic and am finding lots of info out there, like this group. > > > > For those interested, here is my blog. I am trying to cover outdoor > > koi ponds and the garden around it. I am also trying to cover > > photography of both. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > http://koigarden.blogspot.com/ <http://koigarden.blogspot.com/> > <http://koigarden.blogspot.com/ <http://koigarden.blogspot.com/>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36993	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

Mike, I'm glad you're having success with your Koi but keeping them in a 70G aquarium for a few years will cause pretty bad stunting of the fish. You imply they are only 5 inches or so where a two year old Koi should be approaching 15 inches and a three year old, 20 inches. Here's more info and a chart with expected growth rates of Koi. http://www.coloradokoi.com/koisize.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rudinsky_mike Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: New Member Koi Interest I used to keep baby Koi in a 70 gallon aquarium for the first few years. It makes it easier to keep them alive. Then when they were 5 inches or so, I would move them outside. Glad you liked the photos! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do > something like that, but I live in a condo :( Besides, my hubby would > just say, "Now you're keeping fish outside too?!" LOL I live north of > you (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this winter, very > wintery this year for us at least, this is the most snow I've seen in > my town in at least 15 years, most of the time we get a few > inches and then it rains. > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36994	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

I have 1 rock, LOL. I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock out and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out with later. The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't want to take it back out ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > can't > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock with a > decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The rough/porous > texture of > the rock would hold the "batter" on better. Re-read that article. I'm > pretty sure they let it dry completely on the slate, so drying it > completely > is probably the way to go. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > that > they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their time grazing > on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off the back glass > (I can > tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for me), but with 6 of > them in > there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find > enough > aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on > it, but > I couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had > some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more harm > than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when I > approach > the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught and that would > be survival instinct to hide when they see shadow/movement. > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make sure > they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does anyone > have any advice for me? > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > to my > posts :( > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, > as the > decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're tiny. > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > if it > works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long enough > and of > course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to get it clean > again > (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over dried it and a lot > of it > flaked off when I put the plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36996	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: guaranteed fish

The only thing, some will have you bring in a water sample to try and get out of replacing your fish. If the water is not perfect, gotta be tough with them... I bought a trio and one died within 3 days, tried to give me a big hassle, but I reminded them how much I have spent there in the past 4 months... now I have to wait til they have exactly the type and sex of fish I lost. I think I may lose interest in going back in to see if I can get my replacement...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36997	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

1 rock??? Sounds like it's time for you to deliver an empty box to the little old lady with all the rocks under her porch steps... or have that scavenger hunt. When I was flying around your island, it sure looked like there were lots of mountains and stuff. Surely there must be plenty of rocks. Of course, if you wait a little longer, maybe Redoubt will throw you some rocks. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches I have 1 rock, LOL. I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock out and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out with later. The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't want to take it back out ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > can't > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock with > a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The rough/porous > texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. Re-read that > article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on the slate, so > drying it completely is probably the way to go. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off > the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for > me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm > not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the > plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they > ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy > guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when > I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught > and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > shadow/movement. > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does > anyone have any advice for me? > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > to my posts :( > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, > as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're > tiny. > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36998	From: rudinsky_mike	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Koi Interest

GoldLenny: I saw the same thing when I did the indoor aquarium thing (I still keep one for a hospital). I was traveling at the time and only able to have an apt or condo, hence no yard pond. I wish I could do more than my 600 gallon one now. But with the Dot com and present financial crash, I may not be upgrading the house too soon any time soon so the town home may have to suffice for now. I would love the larger pond in the future... Check out my blog http://koigarden.blogspot.com/ Thanks for your comments --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > I'm glad you're having success with your Koi but keeping them in a 70G > aquarium for a few years will cause pretty bad stunting of the fish. You > imply they are only 5 inches or so where a two year old Koi should be > approaching 15 inches and a three year old, 20 inches. Here's more info and > a chart with expected growth rates of Koi. > http://www.coloradokoi.com/koisize.htm > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of rudinsky_mike > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: New Member Koi Interest > > I used to keep baby Koi in a 70 gallon aquarium for the first few years. It > makes it easier to keep them alive. Then when they were 5 inches or so, I > would move them outside. > > Glad you liked the photos! > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > I love all of the pictures of your outdoor koi pond. I wish I could do > > something like that, but I live in a condo :( Besides, my hubby would > > just say, "Now you're keeping fish outside too?!" LOL I live north of > > you (Alaska) so I know how the weather has been this winter, very > > wintery this year for us at least, this is the most snow I've seen in > > my town in at least 15 years, most of the time we get a > few > > inches and then it rains. > > > > Amber > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 36999	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

Lenny, Thanks for finding the link......That solves my problem.. Jim In a message dated 2/2/2009 12:01:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: This page _http://www.americanhttp://www.amerihttp://www.amerhttp_ (http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Downloads.html) has downloads of the instructions and you can right-click save copies of the color cards. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:03 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit? If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37000	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

Deb, Thanks, but Lenny found the link and I printed them off.. Jim In a message dated 2/2/2009 5:56:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, pennafd@... writes: I think I may have an extra card from an old kit. If I do, I can stick it in snail-mail to you so you will not have to wonder whether your computer/printer colors match the colors on the card. I don't know whether I still have the manual, but I'll check. Write me off-list with your address if you want me to mail you the card. Deb P. --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Jim Pat. <_Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) > wrote: If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37001	From: Leanna	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit

hi debora i live in a small town and theres 2 local petstores and walmart. the main fish store in town dusent have the kit i want(*sigh* and i thought they had it all, lol kidding) and the other is almost compleatly cats and dogs so i wouldent count on them. wallyworld mite have one i'll have to check. theres a slim chance i might be able to get to olympia to go to petsmart and get one but i wouldent count on it since iv only had my drivers licence for 3 days and i dont think my mom has enuf confadace to let me go out of town, even if its not that far. i dont know.. i will deffanitly check walmart tomaro and see what they have. but i will probly have to order one tomaro night. thanks so much for you all not lousing pationts with me i know i havent been able to provide my tanks levels. but hopfully that will be remadied soon. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Leanna, > > You do not have to order a test kit, Leanna. You can just go to the store and buy a kit. I know Petsmart has them in stock. I do not know whether Walmart does. You can call and ask them and ask what the price is when you call. You can also call some of your local pet/Aquarium shops. Look in your yellow pages to find them. Tell them you want an API master kit. They do have strip test kits available, too, but don't let them talk you into those. They cost less up front, but you have to replace them a LOT so in the long run it costs much much more than the master test kit. > > And even without knowing the water parameters, you can do water changes a lot. Just don't forget to use dechlorinated water when you do them, okay? > > My computer is broken and I had to borrow one tonight to read my e- mail, but I know this group will take good care of you! > > I think you will be a good fish-mom. : ) > > Good luck! > Debra > > --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > im glad to heare that there not in exstraeam pain i was really worried > > about that. > > > > i wish i new who the nipper was, i spend a lot of time watching my tank > > and i almost never see ny biting. i figure that they just got in a > > small taratorial dispiute. i havient seen any fierther damage. > > > > the rip in the guppys fin is just so, no pieces missing. but the > > highfin black tetra has about 1/3 of his lower fin gone. like a full > > moon goes to a cresent moon. it still has a border around most of it > > but theres almost no center. > > > > i still dont know the waters pramiters i cant order the test kit tell > > tusday(payday) and than i dont know how long it will take to get here. > > but i promis as soon as i can i will post them to the powder blue grami > > thred that i started a wile back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

We have lots of shale on our island, that's what most of the mountains have in them. At least I think that's what it's called. It's the kind of rock that when you crush it or break it, it turns to sharp pieces instead of pebbles. I wasn't sure how safe that would be for a fishtank. I want to go looking for river rocks in some of our rivers but the access roads are all frozen over and I don't want to chance getting stuck out of cell phone range ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > 1 rock??? Sounds like it's time for you to deliver an empty box to the > little old lady with all the rocks under her porch steps... or have that > scavenger hunt. When I was flying around your island, it sure looked like > there were lots of mountains and stuff. Surely there must be plenty of > rocks. Of course, if you wait a little longer, maybe Redoubt will > throw you > some rocks. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > I have 1 rock, LOL. > I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock out > and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out with > later. > The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't > want to > take it back out ;) heh > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > > can't > > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock with > > a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The rough/porous > > texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. Re-read that > > article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on the slate, so > > drying it completely is probably the way to go. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > > time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off > > the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for > > me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm > > not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the > > plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they > > ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy > > guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when > > I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught > > and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > > shadow/movement. > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > > sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does > > anyone have any advice for me? > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > > to my posts :( > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, > > as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're > > tiny. > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37003	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Leanna- Your test kit

I have five Wal-Marts, Wal-Mart SuperCenters or Sam's Clubs near me and none of them carry the API or Tetratest-laborette master test kits "in stock" BUT Walmart.com does sell them both with free delivery to your local store. That is the best and cheapest way that I know of today for getting a decent master test kit for under $20.00... with the API being my preferred kit of the two if you know you have hard water. If you have soft water, then the T-L kit would be better so you can at least test the GH and KH right away without having to buy anything else. The API GH/KH test kit is a separate purchase and WalMart.com does not sell it from what I remember. Until you get a test kit, just do frequent, even daily 25% PWC's as that is the best thing for the fish, even if you do have a test kit. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leanna Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Leanna- Your test kit hi debora i live in a small town and theres 2 local petstores and walmart. the main fish store in town dusent have the kit i want(*sigh* and i thought they had it all, lol kidding) and the other is almost compleatly cats and dogs so i wouldent count on them. wallyworld mite have one i'll have to check. theres a slim chance i might be able to get to olympia to go to petsmart and get one but i wouldent count on it since iv only had my drivers licence for 3 days and i dont think my mom has enuf confadace to let me go out of town, even if its not that far. i dont know.. i will deffanitly check walmart tomaro and see what they have. but i will probly have to order one tomaro night. thanks so much for you all not lousing pationts with me i know i havent been able to provide my tanks levels. but hopfully that will be remadied soon. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Debra Penna-Fredericks <pennafd@...> wrote: > > Leanna, > > You do not have to order a test kit, Leanna. You can just go to the store and buy a kit. I know Petsmart has them in stock. I do not know whether Walmart does. You can call and ask them and ask what the price is when you call. You can also call some of your local pet/Aquarium shops. Look in your yellow pages to find them. Tell them you want an API master kit. They do have strip test kits available, too, but don't let them talk you into those. They cost less up front, but you have to replace them a LOT so in the long run it costs much much more than the master test kit. > > And even without knowing the water parameters, you can do water changes a lot. Just don't forget to use dechlorinated water when you do them, okay? > > My computer is broken and I had to borrow one tonight to read my e- mail, but I know this group will take good care of you! > > I think you will be a good fish-mom. : ) > > Good luck! > Debra > > --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Leanna <wild_life_rehab@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > im glad to heare that there not in exstraeam pain i was really worried > > about that. > > > > i wish i new who the nipper was, i spend a lot of time watching my tank > > and i almost never see ny biting. i figure that they just got in a > > small taratorial dispiute. i havient seen any fierther damage. > > > > the rip in the guppys fin is just so, no pieces missing. but the > > highfin black tetra has about 1/3 of his lower fin gone. like a full > > moon goes to a cresent moon. it still has a border around most of it > > but theres almost no center. > > > > i still dont know the waters pramiters i cant order the test kit tell > > tusday(payday) and than i dont know how long it will take to get here. > > but i promis as soon as i can i will post them to the powder blue grami > > thred that i started a wile back.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37004	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

You say po-tat-o, I say po-ta-to. Shale and slate may very well be the same thing depending on the local usage of the term and stage of compression of the "rock". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale Shale is a fine-grained sedimentary rock whose original constituents were clay minerals or muds.... Shales that are subject to heat and pressure alter into a hard, fissile, metamorphic rock known as slate, which is often used in building construction. The fourth picture down on the right side sure looks like "slate" to me. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate Slate is a fine-grained, foliated, homogeneous, metamorphic rock derived from an original shale-type sedimentary rock composed of clay or volcanic ash through low grade regional metamorphism. Here's more about aquarium safe rocks... you will see some disagreement about certain rocks but it's more about how they might leach hardness into the water than being not-safe. http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/rocks.html http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/aquascaping/rocks.shtml http://www.uniquaria.com/index.php/articles/6-misc/21-aquarium-safe-rocks Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches We have lots of shale on our island, that's what most of the mountains have in them. At least I think that's what it's called. It's the kind of rock that when you crush it or break it, it turns to sharp pieces instead of pebbles. I wasn't sure how safe that would be for a fishtank. I want to go looking for river rocks in some of our rivers but the access roads are all frozen over and I don't want to chance getting stuck out of cell phone range ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > 1 rock??? Sounds like it's time for you to deliver an empty box to the > little old lady with all the rocks under her porch steps... or have > that scavenger hunt. When I was flying around your island, it sure > looked like there were lots of mountains and stuff. Surely there must > be plenty of rocks. Of course, if you wait a little longer, maybe > Redoubt will throw you some rocks. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > I have 1 rock, LOL. > I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock > out and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out > with later. > The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't > want to take it back out ;) heh > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > > can't > > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock > > with a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The > > rough/porous texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. > > Re-read that article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on > > the slate, so drying it completely is probably the way to go. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm > > worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all > > their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're > > cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they > > have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot > > long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to > > to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I > > couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I > > had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid > > when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild > > caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > > shadow/movement. > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > > sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, > > does anyone have any advice for me? > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is > > responding to my posts :( > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that > > eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if > > you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm > > wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating > > food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and > > they're tiny. > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and > > see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite > > long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do > > PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I > > tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the > > plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37005	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Well shucks, one of those links says that anything with fools gold in it isn't safe, well go figure that most of our natural rock is riddled with fools gold (that's what brought the miners up here and settled the town over a hundred years ago though). I will have to stick with river/stream rocks, those are about all that seem safe, the mountains all have fools gold in them, and so do most of the rocks you'll find laying around. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You say po-tat-o, I say po-ta-to. Shale and slate may very well be the > same > thing depending on the local usage of the term and stage of compression of > the "rock". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale> Shale is a fine-grained > sedimentary rock > whose original constituents were clay minerals or muds.... Shales that are > subject to heat and pressure alter into a hard, fissile, metamorphic rock > known as slate, which is often used in building construction. The fourth > picture down on the right side sure looks like "slate" to me. ;-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate> Slate is a fine-grained, foliated, > homogeneous, metamorphic rock derived from an original shale-type > sedimentary rock composed of clay or volcanic ash through low grade > regional > metamorphism. > > Here's more about aquarium safe rocks... you will see some disagreement > about certain rocks but it's more about how they might leach hardness into > the water than being not-safe. > > http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/rocks.html > <http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/rocks.html> > > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/aquascaping/rocks.shtml > <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/aquascaping/rocks.shtml> > > http://www.uniquaria.com/index.php/articles/6-misc/21-aquarium-safe-rocks > <http://www.uniquaria.com/index.php/articles/6-misc/21-aquarium-safe-rocks> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > We have lots of shale on our island, that's what most of the mountains > have > in them. At least I think that's what it's called. It's the kind of rock > that when you crush it or break it, it turns to sharp pieces instead of > pebbles. I wasn't sure how safe that would be for a fishtank. > I want to go looking for river rocks in some of our rivers but the access > roads are all frozen over and I don't want to chance getting stuck out of > cell phone range ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > 1 rock??? Sounds like it's time for you to deliver an empty box to the > > little old lady with all the rocks under her porch steps... or have > > that scavenger hunt. When I was flying around your island, it sure > > looked like there were lots of mountains and stuff. Surely there must > > be plenty of rocks. Of course, if you wait a little longer, maybe > > Redoubt will throw you some rocks. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > > > I have 1 rock, LOL. > > I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock > > out and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out > > with later. > > The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't > > want to take it back out ;) heh > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > > > can't > > > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock > > > with a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The > > > rough/porous texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. > > > Re-read that article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on > > > the slate, so drying it completely is probably the way to go. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm > > > worried that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all > > > their time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're > > > cleaning off the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they > > > have cleaned for me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot > > > long tank though) I'm not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to > > > to eat. I tried the plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I > > > couldn't tell if they ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I > > > had some VERY happy guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid > > > when I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild > > > caught and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > > > shadow/movement. > > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > > > sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, > > > does anyone have any advice for me? > > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is > > > responding to my posts :( > > > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that > > > eats mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if > > > you're curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm > > > wondering if I should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating > > > food, as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and > > > they're tiny. > > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and > > > see if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite > > > long enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do > > > PWC's to get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I > > > tried I over dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the > > > plate into the tank (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37006	From: ovisimo@primariatm.ro	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: question - lightbulb

Hy. I have a AQUATLANTIS aquarium, lightbulb to. The lightbulb work no more. Please tell me where I kan to buy another lightbulb in Romania. I am from Timisoara. Thank's Ovidiu Simonetti [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: question - lightbulb

If Romania is part of the EU, try http://www.onlineaquariumstore.com/acatalog/Aquatlantis.html. If not, check for a Romanian distributor from the main AquAtlantis site http://www.aquatlantis.com/uk-frame-produtos.php?id_produto=51. If you look at the menu on the left side, it has a section for Lighting and they either have either Ultra_light or Start_light but the tank featured on the home page mentions 2x25W T-8 which sounds like standard fluorescent lighting such as found here... http://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/category/18/25mm-t8-1-inch-diameter-tubes/ but that site may not ship to your area so you may need to look for a lighting store in Romania. Do they have Wal-Mart's there yet? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ovisimo@... Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question - lightbulb Hy. I have a AQUATLANTIS aquarium, lightbulb to. The lightbulb work no more. Please tell me where I kan to buy another lightbulb in Romania. I am from Timisoara. Thank's Ovidiu Simonetti

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37008	From: greychildren	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cascade 300 HOB filters

thank you lenny your always full on knownlege.. btw do you think one will be enouf for my new 55g project? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Free is always good! Penn-Plax makes them so not the most expensive brand > but it's got a couple of features like the permanent bio-sponge that fits in > the waterfall area so, if you choose to trash filter cartridges, at least > the sponge stays cycled all the time.... of course, there's almost never a > reason to trash a filter cartridge unless you've used the carbon to remove a > medication or contamination. Here's more info and a good diagram on them... > http://www.pennplax.com/Pages/Aqua.pages..../Aqua18F.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:53 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Cascade 300 HOB filters > > Hey guys i been given two Cascade 300 HOB filters . are these any good? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37009	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Second question, would that be white vinegar or the other kind? Or does it not matter? On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Yes. Try not to drip any into the water but it won't kill the fish if you > do... but it will lower the pH depending on how much gets in the water so > it's best to NOT get any in the water. Just dampen the cloth with the > vinegar, wipe away, then dry, then refill tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:49 PM > To: aquaticlife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about vineger > > I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral build > up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a Betta in it, and > you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper region where the > evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet cloth and then refill the > tank, with no ill effects? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37010	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Plain White (3%) for normal cleaning of hard water build-up. Pickling Vinegar (20%) for REALLY hard water build-up. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question about vineger Second question, would that be white vinegar or the other kind? Or does it not matter? On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Yes. Try not to drip any into the water but it won't kill the fish if > you do... but it will lower the pH depending on how much gets in the > water so it's best to NOT get any in the water. Just dampen the cloth > with the vinegar, wipe away, then dry, then refill tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:49 PM > To: aquaticlife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about vineger > > I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral > build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a Betta > in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper region > where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet cloth and > then refill the tank, with no ill effects?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37011	From: Gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

Yeah, I think everyone but the stinkin' pet store is correct on this fish. I'm a little peeved. I doubt I will buy there again. They do have a great selection; but aparently they don't know much about the fish they are selling - or at least they don't get the names right. Thanks again for all the expert opinions. BTW since I am so determined and impulsive... I did buy him. He is doing really well in my Cichlid tank. Most of my Cichlids aren't messing with him. He is standing his ground and messing up the gravel in my tank :D -gail --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > That looks like a Geophagus surinamensis to me. Or at least what is > being sold as G. surinamensis. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@> > wrote: > > > > http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > > Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an > earth eater. > > Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated > species genus name) > > He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. > > He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel > sifter. > > > > Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? > > > > > > thanks in advance!! > > -gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37012	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

In a message dated 2/2/2009 8:11:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: They've gotten more active in the last week (exploring the tank and such), but I can't tell if it's because they can't find as much food or if they're happy and exploring. Amber why dont you try when making the awfuch (lol, cant help it!) add the eggs to the mix? The shrimp eggs, that is. That might work. Sinking shrimp pellets might work too. Oh yeah, get a chair, set it next to the tank THEN fed and get settled, don't move to much and they will eventually get used to your prescence. Enid "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride!!!" **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37013	From: Dave	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Cloudy Water

Hi Gang, I'm an amateur and have only had my tank for a couple weeks. I've yet to have a fish die yet; but, my aquarium water is getting cloudy and I'm NOT over-feeding. I was told there's a couple fairly new products on the market that work wonders for cloudy water. One is a volcanic rock that permanently absorbs waste and clears water within a day or two and another is a product called AL-GONE which is a pouch you add to your filter and it's guaranteed to clear your water up. Have ANY of you used or heard of these products? I'd like to get your unput before purchasing them. I currently have 2 tanks and the filters I use (MARINE LAND) are one step larger for the tanks capacity since I have baby turtles in both tanks and realize they dirty up a tank faster than fish. ~Dave/FL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37014	From: William	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

Sometimes that is the best place to buy fish as long as the fish are healthy. I once went into a store that had a tank of wild silver dollars and asked if all of the fish were the same price. I was told yes and that I cud pick out the fish that I wanted. I picked out three gold piranhas at $3.00 each.If they do not know or do not care then you can sometimes find bargains in stores that would otherwise cost many times as much. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I think everyone but the stinkin' pet store is correct on this > fish. I'm a little peeved. I doubt I will buy there again. They do > have a great selection; but aparently they don't know much about the > fish they are selling - or at least they don't get the names right. > Thanks again for all the expert opinions. > BTW since I am so determined and impulsive... I did buy him. He is > doing really well in my Cichlid tank. Most of my Cichlids aren't > messing with him. He is standing his ground and messing up the gravel > in my tank :D > -gail > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@> > wrote: > > > > That looks like a Geophagus surinamensis to me. Or at least what is > > being sold as G. surinamensis. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > > > Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was > an > > earth eater. > > > Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated > > species genus name) > > > He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. > > > He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a > gravel > > sifter. > > > > > > Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance!! > > > -gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37015	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

I agree about the pet store.  We had a Betta fish a year ago in a glass vase with plants.  They never told us about the plastic being inside the vase to help the plant stay in one place.  We noticed the betta was acting wierd one day, and then the next day, it died on us.  I did some research, and it was actually looking for air bubbles and there was the plastic on it.  They refused to give us our money back.  We found out there were other people demanding their money back, We went back, took the whole thing back to them.. Showed them the Documents that the Betta needed Air.  They didn't give us our money back, so I said Nice knowing you after all these years.  I have NEVER shopped there again.  Remember, be sure to give the Bettas the air they need.  Dave --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My mystery Cichlid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 10:14 AM Yeah, I think everyone but the stinkin' pet store is correct on this fish. I'm a little peeved. I doubt I will buy there again. They do have a great selection; but aparently they don't know much about the fish they are selling - or at least they don't get the names right. Thanks again for all the expert opinions. BTW since I am so determined and impulsive... I did buy him. He is doing really well in my Cichlid tank. Most of my Cichlids aren't messing with him. He is standing his ground and messing up the gravel in my tank :D -gail --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > That looks like a Geophagus surinamensis to me. Or at least what is > being sold as G. surinamensis. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@> > wrote: > > > > http://i39.tinypic.com/9prvjr.jpg > > Earlier I posted a pic of a Cichlid and everyone thought it was an > earth eater. > > Turns out it is a Red Head Geophagus Tapajos (the complicated > species genus name) > > He is way cute. However I have found limited info on him. > > He's south American and only gets 10" in size - he too is a gravel > sifter. > > > > Any additional info or links that anyone knows of? > > > > > > thanks in advance!! > > -gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37016	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: question - lightbulb

Lenny, you must be one good fish store owner! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:29 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] question - lightbulb If Romania is part of the EU, try http://www.onlineaquariumstore.com/acatalog/Aquatlantis.html. If not, check for a Romanian distributor from the main AquAtlantis site http://www.aquatlantis.com/uk-frame-produtos.php?id_produto=51. If you look at the menu on the left side, it has a section for Lighting and they either have either Ultra_light or Start_light but the tank featured on the home page mentions 2x25W T-8 which sounds like standard fluorescent lighting such as found here... http://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/category/18/25mm-t8-1-inch-diameter-tubes/ but that site may not ship to your area so you may need to look for a lighting store in Romania. Do they have Wal-Mart's there yet? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37017	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

I usually feed them and settle down on the end of the couch a little ways away, so I'm not right next to the tank, but near enough for them to see movement on the outside of the tank, they seem okay with it so far, but when I get close to the tank they swim away. I have sinking shrimp pellets too, I add them just before bedtime because the loaches seem to be more active when the lights go out (I have LED night lights in the middle of the tank, so there's still some light to see by). I also added the shrimp eggs to the egg mix when pasting the plate, but I need to find something that will stick better, Lenny had a very valid point about the plate being too smooth. Amber Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/2/2009 8:11:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > They've gotten more active in the last week (exploring the tank and > such), but I can't tell if it's because they can't find as much food or > if they're happy and exploring. > > Amber > > why dont you try when making the awfuch (lol, cant help it!) add the > eggs to > the mix? > The shrimp eggs, that is. That might work. Sinking shrimp pellets > might work > too. > Oh yeah, get a chair, set it next to the tank THEN fed and get settled, > don't move to much and they will eventually get used to your prescence. > Enid > > "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in > a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, > thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- > WOW--What a Ride!!!" > > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.> > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37018	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water

Was your tank newly set up and not cycled with either a filter from an established tank, or gravel from an established tank? Sounds like you could be having your first ammonia bloom if your tank was not cycled. Do you have a test kit (like the API master test kit for freshwater)? You are going to want to get one if you don't, so that you can test to see how high everything is in the tank, because everyone is going to start asking soon ;) LOL. We need your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH levels for starters. How often are you doing water changes on the tanks and how big are your tanks? Amber Dave wrote: > > Hi Gang, I'm an amateur and have only had my tank for a couple weeks. > I've yet to have a fish die yet; but, my aquarium water is getting > cloudy and I'm NOT over-feeding. I was told there's a couple fairly > new products on the market that work wonders for cloudy water. One is > a volcanic rock that permanently absorbs waste and clears water within > a day or two and another is a product called AL-GONE which is a pouch > you add to your filter and it's guaranteed to clear your water up. > Have ANY of you used or heard of these products? I'd like to get your > unput before purchasing them. > > I currently have 2 tanks and the filters I use (MARINE LAND) are one > step larger for the tanks capacity since I have baby turtles in both > tanks and realize they dirty up a tank faster than fish. ~Dave/FL > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37019	From: William	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: My mystery Cichlid

That is what the BBB (Better Business Bureau) is for. If there is enough complaints against then it will affect their business and other people should be warned abut their practices. If you let other people know abut them then their customer base will become smaller and possible send them out of business but if it is only one thing then be careful because you night not have a pet shop around that you can but things from and be forced to travel further or shop on line for your needs. I agree that they should have told yo about the air needs for the Betta and that they should have given you your money back but if you had done some research you would have known that the Bettas needed air to breath and you would not have bought the vase. Did the vase have the plastic ring in it when you bought it and did you take it out?Or did the plastic ring not come with the vase? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave H." <mrdavesmagic2003@...> wrote: > > I agree about the pet store.  We had a Betta fish a year ago in a glass vase with plants.  They never told us about the plastic being inside the vase to help the plant stay in one place.  We noticed the betta was acting wierd one day, and then the next day, it died on us.  I did some research, and it was actually looking for air bubbles and there was the plastic on it.  They refused to give us our money back.  We found out there were other people demanding their money back, We went back, took the whole thing back to them.. Showed them the Documents that the Betta needed Air.  They didn't give us our money back, so I said Nice knowing you after all these years.  I have NEVER shopped there again.  Remember, be sure to give the Bettas the air they need.  Dave >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37020	From: jett07002	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the betta back in with the same water provided it is clean. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral > build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a > Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper > region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet > cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37021	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: wall hanging aquarium

I was given a wall hanging aqaurium for my birthday and have no idea what to do with it. I set it up as per the instructions. I even added the bag of instant (lol????) BIOBALLS. It holds a little over a gallon of water, about 1.2 gallons. The measurements are 19.7" x 13.8" x 2.95" OBVIOUSLY im NOT gunna care for it like the instructions say(feed once a week and clean bioballs and gravel every 6 months) nor add the recommended fish to it (Serpae and Black tetras). I cut a bubble wand down to 1" and have that in there with very little air flow. I also have cycled filter media in there too. Right now I have 2 guppy fry in there. any ideas as to what I could put in there?? I was thinking remove the fry and add a ghost shrimp. is there an in tank filter that i could use for it?? the I.D. of the tank is 2 3/4"

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37022	From: Debra	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

How about adding red cherry shrimp? Deb/OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:17:11 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] wall hanging aquarium I was given a wall hanging aqaurium for my birthday and have no idea what to do with it. I set it up as per the instructions. I even added the bag of instant (lol????) BIOBALLS. It holds a little over a gallon of water, about 1.2 gallons. The measurements are 19.7" x 13.8" x 2.95" OBVIOUSLY im NOT gunna care for it like the instructions say(feed once a week and clean bioballs and gravel every 6 months) nor add the recommended fish to it (Serpae and Black tetras). I cut a bubble wand down to 1" and have that in there with very little air flow. I also have cycled filter media in there too. Right now I have 2 guppy fry in there. any ideas as to what I could put in there?? I was thinking remove the fry and add a ghost shrimp. is there an in tank filter that i could use for it?? the I.D. of the tank is 2 3/4" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37023	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) I'd have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. Amber Debra wrote: > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > Deb/OS, MS > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@... > <mailto:turbocoupe76%40yahoo.com>> > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:17:11 > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] wall hanging aquarium > > > I was given a wall hanging aqaurium for my birthday and have no idea > what to do with it. I set it up as per the instructions. I even added > the bag of instant (lol????) BIOBALLS. It holds a little over a gallon > of water, about 1.2 gallons. The measurements are 19.7" x 13.8" x 2.95" > > OBVIOUSLY im NOT gunna care for it like the instructions say(feed once > a week and clean bioballs and gravel every 6 months) nor add the > recommended fish to it (Serpae and Black tetras). I cut a bubble wand > down to 1" and have that in there with very little air flow. I also > have cycled filter media in there too. > > Right now I have 2 guppy fry in there. any ideas as to what I could put > in there?? I was thinking remove the fry and add a ghost shrimp. is > there an in tank filter that i could use for it?? the I.D. of the tank > is 2 3/4" > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37024	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, couple fake plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the gravel to do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to a bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not as easy as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it that way I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean it. I thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract from how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank looks nice I think. I get compliments on it all the time. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the > betta back in with the same water provided it is clean. > > joe t > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: >> >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral >> build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a >> Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37025	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't want to go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is to use the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter media. Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? Carole in Las Vegas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37026	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

its just a very narrow version of a 5 gallon aquarium. Cleaning its not a problem. I will just suck out the gravel too when I do a cleaning. Putting in the plastic plants is a nightmare though LOL. plus getting the critters out. On the box it shows 9 fish in there , 4 zebras and 5 black fins... but they arent babies just miniture versions of them.. gotta love the Koreans and their technology. Also the widest internal filter I would be able to put is one that is 1.5" wide or should a put a tiny HOB on the front glass.... a HOF perhaps? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. > Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) > I'd have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a > betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. > > Amber > > Debra wrote: > > > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > > Deb/OS, MS > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37027	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't > want to > go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is to use > the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter media. > Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? > > Carole in Las Vegas > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37028	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

Not sure how big this filter is, but it looks small and easy to use. http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~filters_hagen_foam.html or http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~action~view~idProduct~OE1250~idCategory~FIFRIT~category~Internal___Undergravel_Filters-Filters-Saltwater_Aquarium_Supplies~vendor~.html All of the others I found that were internal looked bigger to me. Hope either of those help. I love that they have miniture "fake" fish on the box to make people think they can use it for lots of fish, ugh. That should be false advertising ;) Amber turbocoupe76 wrote: > > its just a very narrow version of a 5 gallon aquarium. Cleaning its not > a problem. I will just suck out the gravel too when I do a cleaning. > Putting in the plastic plants is a nightmare though LOL. plus getting > the critters out. > On the box it shows 9 fish in there , 4 zebras and 5 black fins... but > they arent babies just miniture versions of them.. gotta love the > Koreans and their technology. > > Also the widest internal filter I would be able to put is one that is > 1.5" wide or should a put a tiny HOB on the front glass.... a HOF > perhaps? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. > > Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) > > I'd have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a > > betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra wrote: > > > > > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > > > Deb/OS, MS > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37029	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) could I safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of > nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even > inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or > anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one > that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as > much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will > at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial > bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty > fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your > fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't >> want to >> go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is to use >> the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter media. >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37030	From: Lisa	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Female swordtail fighting?

Is it normal for two female swordtails to fight? One of my black females and my pineapple female are displaying aggressive behavior towards one another. They re circling each other then darting in and trying to bite. Is this territorial, or hormonal, or general personality difference? I first noticed this, this morning, so all I could do was put the floating autofeeder in the tank and fill it with live blackworm, hoping that would distract them. I'm at work atm, so I hope they are okay. Also, discovered a dead male guppy this morning as well. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37031	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

How about a clay flower pot? They are pretty porous On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > I usually feed them and settle down on the end of the couch a little > ways away, so I'm not right next to the tank, but near enough for them > to see movement on the outside of the tank, they seem okay with it so > far, but when I get close to the tank they swim away. > > I have sinking shrimp pellets too, I add them just before bedtime > because the loaches seem to be more active when the lights go out (I > have LED night lights in the middle of the tank, so there's still some > light to see by). I also added the shrimp eggs to the egg mix when > pasting the plate, but I need to find something that will stick better, > Lenny had a very valid point about the plate being too smooth. > > Amber > > Gwydryn@... wrote: >> >> >> >> In a message dated 2/2/2009 8:11:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: >> >> They've gotten more active in the last week (exploring the tank and >> such), but I can't tell if it's because they can't find as much food or >> if they're happy and exploring. >> >> Amber >> >> why dont you try when making the awfuch (lol, cant help it!) add the >> eggs to >> the mix? >> The shrimp eggs, that is. That might work. Sinking shrimp pellets >> might work >> too. >> Oh yeah, get a chair, set it next to the tank THEN fed and get settled, >> don't move to much and they will eventually get used to your prescence. >> Enid >> >> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >> safely in >> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, >> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- >> WOW--What a Ride!!!" >> >> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. >> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. >> >> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.> >> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37032	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

I purchase the filter(s) for the new tank and put it on my established tank(s) for 2 weeks before setting up the new tank. Add fish immediately, no cycle whatsoever. You would want the fish in your new tank to be about half (or less) than the bioload in your established tank for this to work. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) could I safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of > nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even > inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or > anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one > that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as > much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will > at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial > bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty > fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your > fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't >> want to >> go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is to use >> the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter media. >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37033	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

I think the Hagen Biofoam filter would be perfect! can believe I passed over that one. I posted the Pics of the box that the tank came in. Keep in mind the tank dimesions when you see that tank pic. The actual dimensions are 18" wide 12" high and 1.5" wide. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Not sure how big this filter is, but it looks small and easy to use. > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~filters_hagen_foa m.html > or > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~action~view~idProduct~OE1250~id Category~FIFRIT~category~Internal___Undergravel_Filters-Filters- Saltwater_Aquarium_Supplies~vendor~.html > > All of the others I found that were internal looked bigger to me. Hope > either of those help. > I love that they have miniture "fake" fish on the box to make people > think they can use it for lots of fish, ugh. That should be false > advertising ;) > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37034	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

OK, I can do that today. Thanks and thanks to Amber because I'll also add the plants from the old tank. I thought the water was important but now understand it is not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question I purchase the filter(s) for the new tank and put it on my established tank(s) for 2 weeks before setting up the new tank. Add fish immediately, no cycle whatsoever. You would want the fish in your new tank to be about half (or less) than the bioload in your established tank for this to work. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) could I safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of > nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even > inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or > anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one > that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as > much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will > at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial > bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty > fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your > fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't >> want to >> go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is to use >> the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter media. >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

Well you will need to feed the tank with ammonia if you're not going to put fish in it, as long as you watch the ammonia levels you could probably safely add fish right away and just do a PWC when the ammonia gets a little high. The tank should cycle fairly fast as long as you add some of the old decorations/filter media/or gravel to the new tank. When I put my betta in the 10 gallon I took out a few fake plants and added some of the carbon from the canister filter to the little filter on the new tank, and I didn't even notice the ammonia go up at all, but I only added one fish. You could always add stuff to the tank and then put a couple of fish in it and slowly add whatever other fish you're going to keep in the tank (only add a few a week to give the tank time to adjust so the ammonia won't go up too fast). Amber onelvlady wrote: > > OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) > could I > safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > > > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of > > nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even > > inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or > > anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one > > that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as > > much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will > > at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial > > bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty > > fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your > > fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small > > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't > >> want to > >> go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is > to use > >> the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter > media. > >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? > >> > >> Carole in Las Vegas > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37036	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?

Is this a new tank or an already established and cycled tank? If there is something wrong with the tank parameters (ammonia/nitrite/nitrates too high) my fish will get more aggressive, and obviously some can die if something in the tank parameters gets too high. Amber Lisa wrote: > > Is it normal for two female swordtails to fight? > One of my black females and my pineapple female are displaying > aggressive behavior towards one another. They re circling each other > then darting in and trying to bite. > Is this territorial, or hormonal, or general personality difference? > > I first noticed this, this morning, so all I could do was put the > floating autofeeder in the tank and fill it with live blackworm, hoping > that would distract them. > I'm at work atm, so I hope they are okay. > > Also, discovered a dead male guppy this morning as well. > > Lisa > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37037	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Oh, good idea Harl :) Thanks Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > How about a clay flower pot? They are pretty porous > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > I usually feed them and settle down on the end of the couch a little > > ways away, so I'm not right next to the tank, but near enough for them > > to see movement on the outside of the tank, they seem okay with it so > > far, but when I get close to the tank they swim away. > > > > I have sinking shrimp pellets too, I add them just before bedtime > > because the loaches seem to be more active when the lights go out (I > > have LED night lights in the middle of the tank, so there's still some > > light to see by). I also added the shrimp eggs to the egg mix when > > pasting the plate, but I need to find something that will stick better, > > Lenny had a very valid point about the plate being too smooth. > > > > Amber > > > > Gwydryn@... <mailto:Gwydryn%40aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 2/2/2009 8:11:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >> amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > >> > >> They've gotten more active in the last week (exploring the tank and > >> such), but I can't tell if it's because they can't find as much food or > >> if they're happy and exploring. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> why dont you try when making the awfuch (lol, cant help it!) add the > >> eggs to > >> the mix? > >> The shrimp eggs, that is. That might work. Sinking shrimp pellets > >> might work > >> too. > >> Oh yeah, get a chair, set it next to the tank THEN fed and get settled, > >> don't move to much and they will eventually get used to your prescence. > >> Enid > >> > >> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > >> safely in > >> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, > >> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- > >> WOW--What a Ride!!!" > >> > >> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. > >> > >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.> > >> > >> > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.>> > >> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37038	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

Also a very good idea too, I have my quarantine tank filter running on my established tank, and the Q tank is empty unless I need to put a fish in it. Then I can just move the filter over to the 10 gallon Q tank and put the fish in there (with tank water removed from the big tank so it won't shock the fish by anything being too different such as pH). Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > I purchase the filter(s) for the new tank and put it on my established > tank(s) for 2 weeks before setting up the new tank. Add fish immediately, > no cycle whatsoever. > > You would want the fish in your new tank to be about half (or less) > than the > bioload in your established tank for this to work. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > > OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) > could I > > safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > com> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > > > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair of > > nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or even > > inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls or > > anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the new one > > that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it (but not as > > much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it will > > at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the beneficial > > bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will reproduce pretty > > fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics and such for your > > fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will probably have a small > > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't > >> want to > >> go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My plan is > to use > >> the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to use the filter > media. > >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? > >> > >> Carole in Las Vegas > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Vinegar is not dangerous to fish as long as you don't dump it in the water. Any residual left on the glass would not be an issue at all. I think netting the fish is more "damaging", from actual damage and/or stress, than any possibility of vinegar being an issue. Just do your 25% PWC, dampen a paper towel with some vinegar and wipe off the hard water build-up and then refill the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, couple fake plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the gravel to do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to a bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not as easy as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it that way I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean it. I thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract from how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank looks nice I think. I get compliments on it all the time. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the betta > back in with the same water provided it is clean. > > joe t > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: >> >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral >> build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a >> Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37040	From: Gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water

Just an FYI = there is no miracle cure for cloudy water. I am finding this out the hard way with my 55 gallon. I would see what Lenny V. says. He has been my fish guru on this group. whatever you do don't use any "clarifiers" because they flat out don't work and they are a waste of money. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37041	From: gail	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Betta in a vase needs air

yeah, I have found several forums on-line about the plant & the Betta Concept. That the whole set up really doesn't work. I have found that my Betta is happiest in a large bowl (in the shape of a big Brandy snifter). He makes the biggest bubble nests now that he is in a big home in the middle of the kitchen. He loves to people watch. lol -gail --- On Tue, 2/3/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: From: William <dreammaker2623@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My mystery Cichlid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:59 AM That is what the BBB (Better Business Bureau) is for. If there is enough complaints against then it will affect their business and other people should be warned abut their practices. If you let other people know abut them then their customer base will become smaller and possible send them out of business but if it is only one thing then be careful because you night not have a pet shop around that you can but things from and be forced to travel further or shop on line for your needs. I agree that they should have told yo about the air needs for the Betta and that they should have given you your money back but if you had done some research you would have known that the Bettas needed air to breath and you would not have bought the vase. Did the vase have the plastic ring in it when you bought it and did you take it out?Or did the plastic ring not come with the vase? --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Dave H." <mrdavesmagic2003@ ...> wrote: > > I agree about the pet store.  We had a Betta fish a year ago in a glass vase with plants.  They never told us about the plastic being inside the vase to help the plant stay in one place.  We noticed the betta was acting wierd one day, and then the next day, it died on us.  I did some research, and it was actually looking for air bubbles and there was the plastic on it.  They refused to give us our money back.  We found out there were other people demanding their money back, We went back, took the whole thing back to them.. Showed them the Documents that the Betta needed Air.  They didn't give us our money back, so I said Nice knowing you after all these years.  I have NEVER shopped there again.  Remember, be sure to give the Bettas the air they need.  Dave > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37042	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

If you go with cherry shrimp... maybe 5 or 6, you could go with an inch of gravel... maybe "dirty" gravel from an existing tank with too much gravel?, then some very easy to grow plants which could use the existing nutrients from the dirty gravel until the shrimp's detritus takes hold... presuming it will get enough light. You wouldn't need a filter system then. If you did want a filter system, a nice simple sponge filter run by an air stone would be all you need or want for only 1G of water. You could still add guppy fry to the tank from time to time also... but not for long. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: wall hanging aquarium its just a very narrow version of a 5 gallon aquarium. Cleaning its not a problem. I will just suck out the gravel too when I do a cleaning. Putting in the plastic plants is a nightmare though LOL. plus getting the critters out. On the box it shows 9 fish in there , 4 zebras and 5 black fins... but they arent babies just miniture versions of them.. gotta love the Koreans and their technology. Also the widest internal filter I would be able to put is one that is 1.5" wide or should a put a tiny HOB on the front glass.... a HOF perhaps? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. > Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) I'd > have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a > betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. > > Amber > > Debra wrote: > > > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > > Deb/OS, MS > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37043	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Cycling Question

Keep the existing filter media, gravel, etc., in your already cycled and running tank until you are ready to buy the fish for the new tank. Then when you bring home the new fish, while you have the bag floating to acclimate the temperature (or whichever acclimation method you use... I usually do a drip acclimation to acclimate for all water parameters), then you can move the cycled media into the newly set up tank's filter system so that it will still be alive. If you move it to an empty tank for too long, it would die off without a source of ammonia. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question OK, Amber, if I do all those things as suggested, how soon (roughly) could I safely add fish? Don't want to lose any this time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Tank Cycling Question > The water isn't going to matter, as there usually isn't much of any > beneficial bacteria in the water, it usually grabs hold of something > (decorations, gravel, filter, etc). You can put some gravel in a pair > of nylons and hang that in the tank (near the output of the filter, or > even inside the filter if it will fit), if you can take any bio-balls > or anything of that type out of your other filter and add it to the > new one that can help too, even carbon will have some bacteria on it > (but not as much as bio-balls and other such products for filter media). > It may not eliminate the ammonia/nitrite cycle all the way, but it > will at least shorten the time frame quite a bit, and once the > beneficial bacteria (nitrifying bacterias) take hold they will > reproduce pretty fast as long as you don't use any harsh antibiotics > and such for your fish before the tank is fully cycled. You will > probably have a small > (mini) cycle for a few days or so before the bacteria takes off again. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone - I have decided to set up another small tank and don't >> want to go thru the cycling problems that I had the first time. My >> plan is to use the PWC's for the water in the new tank and also to >> use the filter media. >> Will this eliminate the ammonia cycle, etc? >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37044	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream Loaches

Oh by the way Lenny, I didn't catch your comment about Mt Redoubt until this morning, LOL. That volcano better hold it's top as far as I'm concerned, it's going to make work a pain in the tookus if it blows (we lose all equipment use basically, since it can't upload without a server up to upload to). That's all the volcano is really going to affect though, since I'm way too far away for any ash or rocks to make it here ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > 1 rock??? Sounds like it's time for you to deliver an empty box to the > little old lady with all the rocks under her porch steps... or have that > scavenger hunt. When I was flying around your island, it sure looked like > there were lots of mountains and stuff. Surely there must be plenty of > rocks. Of course, if you wait a little longer, maybe Redoubt will > throw you > some rocks. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > I have 1 rock, LOL. > I have to find more rocks in yards ;) LOL. So I could take the 1 rock out > and "batter" it up, but I wouldn't have something to swap it out with > later. > The rock is also starting to grow algae rather well too, so I didn't > want to > take it back out ;) heh > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > The plate is probably too smooth with the glaze finish so the "batter" > > can't > > stick to it once it's rehydrated. Do you have any kind of a rock with > > a decent amount of surface area... round or flat? The rough/porous > > texture of the rock would hold the "batter" on better. Re-read that > > article. I'm pretty sure they let it dry completely on the slate, so > > drying it completely is probably the way to go. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream Loaches > > > > Okay, so after having these guys for a week I can say that I'm worried > > that they aren't getting enough food. They seem to spend all their > > time grazing on the algae, but I can't tell if they're cleaning off > > the back glass (I can tell on the ornaments that they have cleaned for > > me), but with 6 of them in there (it's a 6 foot long tank though) I'm > > not sure if they will find enough aufwuchs to to eat. I tried the > > plate with egg/veggie flakes mix on it, but I couldn't tell if they > > ate any of it or not, but I can assure you I had some VERY happy > > guppies grazing on the plate, LOL. > > > > I don't want to put them in a separate tank as that could cause more > > harm than good (with no algae at all to graze on). They are timid when > > I approach the tank, which doesn't surprise me as they are wild caught > > and that would be survival instinct to hide when they see > > shadow/movement. > > So I tend to feed and walk away, so I can't just sit there and make > > sure they're eating ;) Besides setting up a webcam to watch them, does > > anyone have any advice for me? > > I've tried posting on the loach forums but so far no one is responding > > to my posts :( > > > > Anyone out there have sucker belly loaches at all? Or a fish that eats > > mostly aufwuchs (that'd be algae and decaying plant matter if you're > > curious, LOL). They didn't even touch the kale, but I'm wondering if I > > should have left it in longer than 8 hours? > > I'm not sure how the shipper was getting them to eat a floating food, > > as the decapped brine shrimp eggs float on the surface and they're > > tiny. > > Perhaps the plate trick is my only option, I will try it again and see > > if it works. The first time I didn't let the egg mix dry quite long > > enough and of course it turned my tank cloudy and I had to do PWC's to > > get it clean again (ugh, my fault though). The 2nd time I tried I over > > dried it and a lot of it flaked off when I put the plate into the tank > > (LOL, just my luck I swear). > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37045	From: eventrade_2000	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: New Member Intro - Dutch Aquarium 'wannabe'

Hello all, I just joined the list. I own 2 betta splendins. One in a small glass ornamental tank which holds about a gallon and another in a 10g tank. The older of the two "Kenny" was what I deemed a 'rescue'. I found him in a store with not enough water to stretch his fins. Due to this fact, his fins curled up funny. I was so angry I bought him to get him out of there when the aquarium worker shrugged at my dismay like she didn't care and went about her mundane cleaning of the floor duty, which by no doubt she was much more qualified at than caring for fish! Kenny is burgundy, quite large and has been with me for going on two years now. People laugh when I describe their personalities. ;-) But humor me... Kenny is a bit of a 'rough neck'. Has quite a temper on him. I talk, he flares. haha The other, I just plain fell in love with. TINY boy with elaborately long fins. Off white in color. Due to the brown tinges to his fins and body scales, I named him Meringue. Meringue is more laid back and not as bold. Often nestles up into his plants. I tend to have to point out his floating pellets or he doesn't see them in that big tank. Sorry... as you can see, I LOVE my fish. I recently put Meringue into the 10g tank I got for him and now looking at getting a much larger tank to put Kenny in. I have my heart set on creating a Dutch Aquarium if I can find a large tank to fit my limited budget. (searching for good used one, 55g or larger) First questions:: I need guidance on setting up a tank for plants and what plants are best to get for a beginner and how to shop for them. I really don't want to be over run by snails like the last time I bought a live plant. Not that I mind snails (Kenny has his own 'pet' mystery snail) but those things that came with the plant (10 years ago, molly tank) were almost parasitic. blech Would also like to know the preferred substrate for a dutch aquarium full of live plants. Also, are there suitable fish I could put in with my betta boys? I realize they don't need 'company' but I'd like to add more movement to my tanks. They are in my home office and I enjoy the relaxation they offer me. I have PTSD and my fish have been a great source of therapy for me. Had fish tanks many times over in my lifetime but committed to being more serious before diving into setting one up properly this time. No more Walmart plug n play. LOL Janet Ford Michigan

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37046	From: Lisa	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?

The tank has been up since Nov 19th 08

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37047	From: Darlene	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: my Farlowellas

that i got last week seem to have ICH !! the guy at big al's told me the fish do not do well with salt if i use methelyne blue what is the dosage to treat? Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37048	From: hank voss	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Is it normal for two female swordtails to fight? Lisa: Its normally a male trait but every once in a while females do it,If it continues you may have to get rid of one or wait and see if they stop on their own, as long as there is no damage leave them be. Hank =================================== > One of my black females and my pineapple female are displaying > aggressive behavior towards one another. They re circling each other > then darting in and trying to bite. > Is this territorial, or hormonal, or general personality difference? > > I first noticed this, this morning, so all I could do was put the > floating autofeeder in the tank and fill it with live blackworm, hoping > that would distract them. > I'm at work atm, so I hope they are okay. > > Also, discovered a dead male guppy this morning as well. > > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37049	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit?

Grey, Thanks for the offer. I went to my LFS yesterday and was talking to the owner about my missing card, well he had an extra since that is the kit he uses to test water and gave me one...Nice guy.. Thanks again, Jim In a message dated 2/4/2009 8:16:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, huron62@... writes: Send me your mailing address and I'll send you one of my extras. Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) From: _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:02:34 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone own an API Freshwater Test Kit? If possible I need a favor.....The test kit that the seller gave me with the set-up is missing one of the test cards (Low PH), I only have (4) and the instruction book is missing. Can anyone scan the card and copy whatever parts of the inst. manual that is needed and send them in an email? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37050	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: API test kit (master fresh water)

Will someone please explain all of the bottles to me? I am confused which ones to use and the readings.....I have a comet goldfish ..... and I have been looking at adding alot of plants for her....will the reading change???? So much information and its difficult for me to get my ducks in arow...........Thanks again Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37051	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)

You should have gotten a instruction booklet with your kit. While the booklet has a lot of gobble-de-goop (including translations into other languages) in it, the actual instructions for each test, pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate are fairly simple to follow, once you find them. Get a highlighter and highlight the actual instructions for each test or just underline them with a pen so they will be easier to find/follow on subsequent testing. The only thing that might change a little when you add plants might be the pH as the plants will utilize CO2 during the day when the lights are on so the pH might rise slightly, which is OK and usually a good thing for goldfish. Since you should be doing at least weekly (or more often) 25% PWC's, tank and filter maintenance, with goldfish, you should maintain a fairly constant pH all the time. Just make sure you test the pH at around the same time of the day all of the time for comparative purposes. For example, if you test the pH first thing in the morning, it might be a little lower than if you test it later in the day as the CO2 level will be slightly higher first thing in the morning since the plants have not been photosynthesizing all day long. If you do not have an instruction booklet, you can download the instructions for the various tests on this page. They start about 1/3rd down... http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Downloads.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:54 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] API test kit (master fresh water) Will someone please explain all of the bottles to me? I am confused which ones to use and the readings.....I have a comet goldfish ..... and I have been looking at adding alot of plants for her....will the reading change???? So much information and its difficult for me to get my ducks in arow...........Thanks again Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37052	From: William	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

The tank is too narrow to hide any mechanical filter so I would go with easy to grow plants even Java moss. If it is in a place where light is not an issue then plants like /Crypts, or short vals or sags should work. The sags and vals are grass like plants and ind will not hide the fish (or shrimp) too much. The Java moss will provide lots of cover so you might have to keep trimming the Java moss (either put it in another tank or if you get enough you can put it in a local aquarium club). You will just need to keep in mind the light and the type of plants that yo put in there. Live aquatic plants can act as a good filter for a tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > If you go with cherry shrimp... maybe 5 or 6, you could go with an inch of > gravel... maybe "dirty" gravel from an existing tank with too much gravel?, > then some very easy to grow plants which could use the existing nutrients > from the dirty gravel until the shrimp's detritus takes hold... presuming it > will get enough light. You wouldn't need a filter system then. If you did > want a filter system, a nice simple sponge filter run by an air stone would > be all you need or want for only 1G of water. > > You could still add guppy fry to the tank from time to time also... but not > for long. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: wall hanging aquarium > > its just a very narrow version of a 5 gallon aquarium. Cleaning its not a > problem. I will just suck out the gravel too when I do a cleaning. > Putting in the plastic plants is a nightmare though LOL. plus getting the > critters out. > On the box it shows 9 fish in there , 4 zebras and 5 black fins... but they > arent babies just miniture versions of them.. gotta love the Koreans and > their technology. > > Also the widest internal filter I would be able to put is one that is 1.5" > wide or should a put a tiny HOB on the front glass.... a HOF perhaps? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. > > Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) I'd > > have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a > > betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra wrote: > > > > > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > > > Deb/OS, MS > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: wall hanging aquarium

You can still drop a small airstone or small sponge filter into the middle of the tank and that will at least circulate the water around... and add a little more "decoration" to the frame tank. If you just do the airstone, try to bury it in your gravel which will help make the gravel surrounding the airstone into a biological filter for nitrifying bacteria to grow on better. You should probably get one of them claws as you will likely need it on this type of tank but they also come in handy on other tanks as well. I use this one... http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3746+12755&pca tid=12755 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: wall hanging aquarium The tank is too narrow to hide any mechanical filter so I would go with easy to grow plants even Java moss. If it is in a place where light is not an issue then plants like /Crypts, or short vals or sags should work. The sags and vals are grass like plants and ind will not hide the fish (or shrimp) too much. The Java moss will provide lots of cover so you might have to keep trimming the Java moss (either put it in another tank or if you get enough you can put it in a local aquarium club). You will just need to keep in mind the light and the type of plants that yo put in there. Live aquatic plants can act as a good filter for a tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > If you go with cherry shrimp... maybe 5 or 6, you could go with an inch of > gravel... maybe "dirty" gravel from an existing tank with too much gravel?, > then some very easy to grow plants which could use the existing nutrients > from the dirty gravel until the shrimp's detritus takes hold... presuming it > will get enough light. You wouldn't need a filter system then. If you did > want a filter system, a nice simple sponge filter run by an air stone would > be all you need or want for only 1G of water. > > You could still add guppy fry to the tank from time to time also... but not > for long. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:30 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: wall hanging aquarium > > its just a very narrow version of a 5 gallon aquarium. Cleaning its not a > problem. I will just suck out the gravel too when I do a cleaning. > Putting in the plastic plants is a nightmare though LOL. plus getting the > critters out. > On the box it shows 9 fish in there , 4 zebras and 5 black fins... but they > arent babies just miniture versions of them.. gotta love the Koreans and > their technology. > > Also the widest internal filter I would be able to put is one that is 1.5" > wide or should a put a tiny HOB on the front glass.... a HOF perhaps? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > I can't even imagine how hard it might be to clean that tank ;) LOL. > > Hopefully it's better designed than my imagination is going for ;) I'd > > have to say shrimp are a good bet to put in there, or possibly a > > betta, but I like to keep my betta's in bigger containers myself. > > > > Amber > > > > Debra wrote: > > > > > > How about adding red cherry shrimp? > > > Deb/OS, MS > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37054	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)

I just got into the hobby in November when I agreed to take in three fancy goldfish. I never have my duck in a row and that test kit flabbergasted me, at first. The kit should have an instruction book. If it doesn't, you can print one out at the API website. I see Lenny has posted the link. Just take one test at a time and don't let the size of the pamphlet intimidate you. Most of it is in other languages and can be ignored. Once you get comfortable, you can use the prompts on the back of the color cards to remind you how to run each test. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "janis_chrystal" <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] API test kit (master fresh water) Will someone please explain all of the bottles to me? I am confused which ones to use and the readings.....I have a comet goldfish ..... and I have been looking at adding alot of plants for her....will the reading change???? So much information and its difficult for me to get my ducks in arow...........Thanks again Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37055	From: jett07002	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Harl, if there is some reason why you can not lift the tank, then I apologize. If not, what can a 3 gallon tank weigh? Maybe 5 pounds? (Empty that is.) Lenny, this is where you can remove the fish without taking it out of the water. If you slowly get under the betta and come up with a glass, coffee cup, anything that will hold water. The bettas are so damn lazy..LOL. Depending on how much build-up we are talking about, instead of starting with vinegar, or anything else for that matter, I think just taking it over to the sink and rinsing it is easier. I know the vinegar would do no harm once, maybe twice, but repeatedly w/o PWCs I think would eventually be no good. joe t -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Vinegar is not dangerous to fish as long as you don't dump it in the water. > Any residual left on the glass would not be an issue at all. I think > netting the fish is more "damaging", from actual damage and/or stress, than > any possibility of vinegar being an issue. Just do your 25% PWC, dampen a > paper towel with some vinegar and wipe off the hard water build-up and then > refill the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger > > You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, couple fake > plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the gravel to > do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to a > bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not as easy > as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it that way > I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean it. I > thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... > > I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract from > how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank looks nice I > think. I get compliments on it all the time. > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > > > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is > > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank > > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the betta > > back in with the same water provided it is clean. > > > > joe t > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@> wrote: > >> > >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral > >> build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a > >> Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the upper > >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet > >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37056	From: gail	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one.     Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37057	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

They are fine in planted aquariums with small fish but many larger fish will find the shrimp as nice snacks so you have to be careful which fish you have with shrimp. I started off with 25 cherry shrimp in a 10G heavily planted tank (easy plants) and they have been breeding like crazy the past couple of years. I occasionally bring in a few dozen to my LFS and get store credit and also get a few of their other stock to put in my tank to keep inbreeding to a minimum. I wish I had more time to cull the not-so-red ones so I could get a really good strain of dark red shrimp but they do OK even letting nature take its course. I feed the tank a small piece of an algae wafer every couple of days and a few small pieces of spirulina algae flakes every day or so since there isn't much algae growing in that tank. I also move algae coated rocks or decorations from my other tank into the cherry shrimp tank on a regular basis for them to clean (also for them to eat natural algae since it's a big part of their diet in nature). What size tank and what kind of fish do you have? Do you have live plants? Here are lots of articles/profiles on the various shrimp that are popular in the hobby. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 http://www.centralpets.com/animals/fish/freshwater_inverts/fwi4997.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one.     Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37058	From: Debra	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I had cherry shrimp for over two years and loved them. They were easy to feed, bred well, and were fun to watch. I had them in a ten gallon with some corydora's. Downside, can't put much else with them. I housed my Beta in their tank for just a short time and he ate all but one. The sole survivor just recently disappeared. I broke down the tank, gave the cory's away, put the tank up and upgraded my brackish tank to a 50 gallon. It is still cycling. MS Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:57 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. � � Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37059	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water

I've heard of all kinds of snake-oil type products. Like any other pet or child, if you aren't ready to make a commitment to do the right thing for the pet/child, then it's best if folks avoid having them... especially for kids. ;-) For fish, weekly maintenance on the tank (or bi-weekly if the tank is lightly stocked), such as 25% PWC's (partial water changes), filter cleaning/maintenance, vacuuming the gravel, etc. is simply something that should be done even if you are using some kind of so-called advanced products. As you know, turtles are even messier since they have a high protein/meaty diet so their tanks need even more maintenance.. sometimes daily. What color cloudy water do you have? White, green, yellow or ???? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cloudy Water Hi Gang, I'm an amateur and have only had my tank for a couple weeks. I've yet to have a fish die yet; but, my aquarium water is getting cloudy and I'm NOT over-feeding. I was told there's a couple fairly new products on the market that work wonders for cloudy water. One is a volcanic rock that permanently absorbs waste and clears water within a day or two and another is a product called AL-GONE which is a pouch you add to your filter and it's guaranteed to clear your water up. Have ANY of you used or heard of these products? I'd like to get your unput before purchasing them. I currently have 2 tanks and the filters I use (MARINE LAND) are one step larger for the tanks capacity since I have baby turtles in both tanks and realize they dirty up a tank faster than fish. ~Dave/FL

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37060	From: Eric	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: I am new

I am new here, My current tank: Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, 2007 Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on June 25 2007 to help with water movement. Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) Regal Angel (added March/2008) Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) Sailfin Tang (May/2007) Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) Coral Beauty (May/2007) Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) several Serpent Stars few Hermit Crabs few snails Variety of mushrooms Acroporas Montiporas Turbinaria Montipora foliosa Fire Coral other SPS Corals Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run the kit one more time. NEW TANK: 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37061	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

Welcome to the group. Sounds like you have a nice tank and plans for an even nicer one. We do not have a lot of SW tank keepers in the group so I hope you stick around to help some of the others that do pop in on occasion with questions or problems that some of us FW tank keepers may not be able to help with. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I am new I am new here, My current tank: Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, 2007 Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on June 25 2007 to help with water movement. Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) Regal Angel (added March/2008) Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) Sailfin Tang (May/2007) Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) Coral Beauty (May/2007) Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) several Serpent Stars few Hermit Crabs few snails Variety of mushrooms Acroporas Montiporas Turbinaria Montipora foliosa Fire Coral other SPS Corals Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run the kit one more time. NEW TANK: 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37062	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

I am impressed................49 gal tank and 1 comet Goldfish Janis In a message dated 2/4/2009 4:46:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marinelife@... writes: I am new here, My current tank: Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, 2007 Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on June 25 2007 to help with water movement. Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) Regal Angel (added March/2008) Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) Sailfin Tang (May/2007) Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) Coral Beauty (May/2007) Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) several Serpent Stars few Hermit Crabs few snails Variety of mushrooms Acroporas Montiporas Turbinaria Montipora foliosa Fire Coral other SPS Corals Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run the kit one more time. NEW TANK: 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37063	From: gail	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the following mix of fish in that one: 2 Bala Sharks 3 Pearl Gouramis 5 Tiger Barbs 5 Rosy Barbs 1 Platy 1 Mollie 2 BPs 1 common pleco 1 Chinese Algae eater 2 Teal Cory Catfish 1 Pictus Catfish   do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just start breeding on their own? thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37064	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

Wow... your tank is overstocked there... The bala sharks get up to 16 inches, and the pictus catfish gets around a foot long too, both of those need huge tanks, as well as your common pleco should be the kind that get huge too. Amber gail wrote: > > > I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the > following mix of fish in that one: > 2 Bala Sharks > 3 Pearl Gouramis > 5 Tiger Barbs > 5 Rosy Barbs > 1 Platy > 1 Mollie > 2 BPs > 1 common pleco > 1 Chinese Algae eater > 2 Teal Cory Catfish > 1 Pictus Catfish > > do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just > start breeding on their own? > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37065	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

My fish would eat them, and my fish are herbivores, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37066	From: Darlene	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

my betta is anything but lazy :)) he swims all over the 20 gallon tank he is in and explores the silk plants and clay pots i use for decoration\hiding place for the banjo catfish Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37067	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I have a 35 gallon tank with 4 swordtails and 6 ghost shrimp. hey seem to live peacefully :) --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. >   >   > Thanks! > _gail > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37068	From: pam andress	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I put about 5 cherry shrimp in a 55 gal tank. I had guppies, cories, BN plecos, kohli loaches, white clouds, goodieds, a betta and probably other fish plus mystery snails. When I took the tank down, I had probably at least 4 dozen in there and it had only been about 3 or 4 months since I put them in it. If there is cover and places to hide, they can do ok depending on the fish in the tank. I also put a FEW in a 23 gal tank with plecos and guppies and they multiplied so much, I made that tank my new shrimp tank. My 10 gal had way too many in it, so the 23 gal now has them all. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: djransome@...: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:18:44 -0500Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? My fish would eat them, and my fish are herbivores, LOL!_____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of gailSent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:36 PMTo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comSubject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Doesanyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bambooshrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of havingone. Thanks!_gail[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37069	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Female swordtail fighting?

fish will establish a pecking order, same as in a hen house or a wolf pack. there will be an alpha, beta..etc... this is so the fish know who eats first, mates first, gets the best hiding nook...even in females... my 3 female swords do it and so do the mollies, and same with my sharks...that is interesting about the elevated nitrates, nitrites having that effect. makes sense. if the fish are not in ideal water they will be cranky. Many times the females being aggressive is not noticed since the male is chasing one or the other females. Having any luck with getting the swords to breed? you had problems a while back, just wondered if your fish have figured it out yet? My pineapple male and red velvet females have had two broods now, kinda funny how both females are similar in size and their offspring are so different in size! both had about 15 fry that I could find. My silver mollies fry are growing so much faster than the swordtail fry.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37070	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: API test kit (master fresh water)

I just received an email from API, I had asked them first what are the chances of getting a pH card, they are sending one. They also included an attachment with all documentation for the product. Great company.. Jim In a message dated 2/4/2009 10:53:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: I just got into the hobby in November when I agreed to take in three fancy goldfish. I never have my duck in a row and that test kit flabbergasted me, at first. The kit should have an instruction book. If it doesn't, you can print one out at the API website. I see Lenny has posted the link. Just take one test at a time and don't let the size of the pamphlet intimidate you. Most of it is in other languages and can be ignored. Once you get comfortable, you can use the prompts on the back of the color cards to remind you how to run each test. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "janis_chrystal" <_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] API test kit (master fresh water) Will someone please explain all of the bottles to me? I am confused which ones to use and the readings....which ones to use and the readings and I have been looking at adding alot of plants for her....will the reading change???? So much information and its difficult for me to get my ducks in arow........my ducks in arow........<W **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37071	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

They can be great bottom cleaners but mine get in the way of gravel vacs and it can be irritating. They can also be a nice snack for most fish. There's no serious detriment to having them. Just they will be food to most things that can fit them in their mouths. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:57 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. � � Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37072	From: Debra	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

I would not put shrimp in that tank unless you intend for them to be a snack for the fish you have. MS Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:31:29 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the following mix of fish in that one: 2 Bala Sharks 3 Pearl Gouramis 5 Tiger Barbs 5�Rosy Barbs 1 Platy 1 Mollie 2 BPs 1 common pleco 1 Chinese Algae eater 2 Teal Cory Catfish 1 Pictus Catfish � do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just start breeding on their own? thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37073	From: gail	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

LOL I guess I am overstocked. I guess you can say that I am a bit impulsive when it comes to fish. It's funny to think that this whole hobby started with a little Betta in a 1 gallon bowl, then it grew from that to a 10 gallon community tank > to a 55 gallon, a Betta Bowl, A 20 gallon and a rescued Fancy goldfish. Ha ha I guess I am a little "over the top". Or maybe neurotic is the word? lol :D I guess the biggest fish in my tank right now is the: Pleco & 1 of my Bala sharks... the rest are pretty small. My Pictus is only like 3" long. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 5:36 PM Wow... your tank is overstocked there... The bala sharks get up to 16 inches, and the pictus catfish gets around a foot long too, both of those need huge tanks, as well as your common pleco should be the kind that get huge too. Amber gail wrote: > > > I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the > following mix of fish in that one: > 2 Bala Sharks > 3 Pearl Gouramis > 5 Tiger Barbs > 5 Rosy Barbs > 1 Platy > 1 Mollie > 2 BPs > 1 common pleco > 1 Chinese Algae eater > 2 Teal Cory Catfish > 1 Pictus Catfish > > do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just > start breeding on their own? > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37074	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

Oh they'd be a nice snack. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:44:27 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? LOL I guess I am overstocked. I guess you can say that I am a bit impulsive when it comes to fish. It's funny to think that this whole hobby started with a little Betta in a 1 gallon bowl, then it grew from that to a 10 gallon community tank > to a 55 gallon, a Betta Bowl, A 20 gallon and a rescued Fancy goldfish. Ha ha I guess I am a little "over the top". Or maybe neurotic is the word? lol :D I guess the biggest fish in my tank right now is the: Pleco & 1 of my Bala sharks... the rest are pretty small. My Pictus is only like 3" long. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 5:36 PM Wow... your tank is overstocked there... The bala sharks get up to 16 inches, and the pictus catfish gets around a foot long too, both of those need huge tanks, as well as your common pleco should be the kind that get huge too. Amber gail wrote: > > > I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the > following mix of fish in that one: > 2 Bala Sharks > 3 Pearl Gouramis > 5 Tiger Barbs > 5 Rosy Barbs > 1 Platy > 1 Mollie > 2 BPs > 1 common pleco > 1 Chinese Algae eater > 2 Teal Cory Catfish > 1 Pictus Catfish > > do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just > start breeding on their own? > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37075	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

Have the shrimp molted yet? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have a 35 gallon tank with 4 swordtails and 6 ghost shrimp. hey seem to live peacefully :) --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. > > > Thanks! > _gail > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37076	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

I agree, mine swims slow most of the time, and hangs around in one spot sometimes. However I know the proper term is dart, but when he gets scared, greased lightning seems to be a more accurate description. With the bowl I could pour him out. The tank is larger, more awkward, and I do not want to strain the seals. So I would have to catch him, I will try a cup, but I am betting he is smarter than that... On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > my betta is anything but lazy :)) > > he swims all over the 20 gallon tank he is in and explores the silk plants > and clay pots i use for decoration\hiding place for the banjo catfish > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37077	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

It is a hospital, and I only have public restrooms to do the work in. Not exactly a great work space. Plush not sure how the president would take hearing that I am carrying a tank down the hall. On a cart I could cover it with a bed sheet and an air of mystery will be a better thing. Plus the cart could be a workbench while there. I use that method to haul the buckets of water. Is it doable? Yes, take the light off, filter off, decorations out, fish out, water out, gravel out. Slide tank out of space it is on counter top. Put on cart, take to bathroom, and commandeer it for a time. Clean the tank and rinse it out in the small sink. Reverse the process. Is it desirable? No. Now what I do is remove the decorations. Insert gravel wash completely in tank. Put finger over hose and put end in bucket. Drain water and wash gravel till I am down to the filter intake. Add the water that I had sitting at the same height in the office for a couple of days. Put decorations back in. Absolutely no signs of stress to the fish at all. No sulking or anything. So much better than when I had him in a bowl. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:57 AM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Harl, if there is some reason why you can not lift the tank, then I > apologize. If not, what can a 3 gallon tank weigh? Maybe 5 pounds? > (Empty that is.) > > Lenny, this is where you can remove the fish without taking it out of > the water. If you slowly get under the betta and come up with a > glass, coffee cup, anything that will hold water. The bettas are so > damn lazy..LOL. Depending on how much build-up we are talking about, > instead of starting with vinegar, or anything else for that matter, I > think just taking it over to the sink and rinsing it is easier. I > know the vinegar would do no harm once, maybe twice, but repeatedly > w/o PWCs I think would eventually be no good. > > joe t > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> Vinegar is not dangerous to fish as long as you don't dump it in the > water. >> Any residual left on the glass would not be an issue at all. I think >> netting the fish is more "damaging", from actual damage and/or > stress, than >> any possibility of vinegar being an issue. Just do your 25% PWC, > dampen a >> paper towel with some vinegar and wipe off the hard water build-up > and then >> refill the tank. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger >> >> You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, > couple fake >> plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the > gravel to >> do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to a >> bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not > as easy >> as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it > that way >> I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean > it. I >> thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... >> >> I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract > from >> how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank > looks nice I >> think. I get compliments on it all the time. >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: >> > >> > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is >> > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank >> > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the betta >> > back in with the same water provided it is clean. >> > >> > joe t >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@> wrote: >> >> >> >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the mineral >> >> build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank with a >> >> Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean the > upper >> >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet >> >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37078	From: greychildren	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

i have 5 in my 40g tank..they seem to be OK the ones i seen..they tend to hide alot.. so i get to see some of them ones in a while..make sure you have a heavy planted tank and plenty of hiding places before you get em. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Have the shrimp molted yet? > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? > > > > I have a 35 gallon tank with 4 swordtails and 6 ghost shrimp. hey seem > to live peacefully :) > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. > Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, > bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons > of having one. > > > > > > Thanks! > > _gail > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37079	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

Not that I can tell. In fact trying to find them has been a challenge. Do the fish or shrimp munch on their skin like hermit crabs do when they molt? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Have the shrimp molted yet? > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? > > > > I have a 35 gallon tank with 4 swordtails and 6 ghost shrimp. hey seem > to live peacefully :) > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. > Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, > bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons > of having one. > > > > > > Thanks! > > _gail > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37080	From: bugarsarefun	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: hello!

i am new to this group, and i just wanted to say that anyone who would like a new friend, feel free to e-mail me and just chat! i love nature, and love to talk about it. i also love playing online chess (if anyone wants to, we could play), and i just love making new friends. peace out! jennifer

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37081	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

My parents have kept a poor little pictus in a 20 gallon tank for about 10 years, chances are he will never grow past the 4-5 inches that he made it to. But he also decided that since he has to compete for space in the tank he kills the fish he doesn't like and he eats the ones that are small enough to eat... So keep that in mind later ;) Amber gail wrote: > > LOL I guess I am overstocked. I guess you can say that I am a bit > impulsive when it comes to fish. It's funny to think that this whole > hobby started with a little Betta in a 1 gallon bowl, then it grew > from that to a 10 gallon community tank > to a 55 gallon, a Betta > Bowl, A 20 gallon and a rescued Fancy goldfish. > Ha ha I guess I am a little "over the top". Or maybe neurotic is the > word? lol :D > > I guess the biggest fish in my tank right now is the: > Pleco & 1 of my Bala sharks... the rest are pretty small. My Pictus is > only like 3" long. > > --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 5:36 PM > > Wow... your tank is overstocked there... The bala sharks get up to 16 > > inches, and the pictus catfish gets around a foot long too, both of > > those need huge tanks, as well as your common pleco should be the kind > > that get huge too. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would consider them for my 55 gallon tank. I currently have the > > > following mix of fish in that one: > > > 2 Bala Sharks > > > 3 Pearl Gouramis > > > 5 Tiger Barbs > > > 5 Rosy Barbs > > > 1 Platy > > > 1 Mollie > > > 2 BPs > > > 1 common pleco > > > 1 Chinese Algae eater > > > 2 Teal Cory Catfish > > > 1 Pictus Catfish > > > > > > do you think they'd eat the shrimp? So, did all the cherry shrimp just > > > start breeding on their own? > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37082	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Betta Companions & Live Plants

What kind of fish can live peacefully with bettas? (10g tank but looking to get a 70g in near future) Can I add a dwarf frog? What type of substrate should I have for live plants? I want to replace my plastic with live with the intention of the large tank being a dutch aquarium. What plants would be best for a beginner? http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm -- I'd like to mimic something like the tank by Steve Dixson, Paul Robinson or the one by Simon Post on this site. I had written an email when I first joined but doesn't look like it went through so sorry if these are repeat questions. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37083	From: jett07002	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

Wow! Going in so "deep" (joke = 800 gal tank) I presume you meant new to this site. You must be commercial, or, where are you putting an 800 gallon tank in a house? Hope you realize that's over 6400 lbs or WATER alone. BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is a plywood tank? Is this something new or just used with saltwater set ups? joe t -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <marinelife@...> wrote: > > I am new here, > My current tank: > Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, > 2007 > > Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH > > Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of > the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased > 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the > tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on > June 25 2007 to help with water movement. > > Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% > full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over > the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a > PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and > 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different > tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some > live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean > Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works > great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper > than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, > Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant > Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. > > Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is > used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ > Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return > > Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started > using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula > from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San > Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- > eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak > all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd > Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. > > Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) > Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) > Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) > 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) > 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) > 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) > Regal Angel (added March/2008) > Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) > 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) > Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) > Sailfin Tang (May/2007) > Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) > Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) > Coral Beauty (May/2007) > Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) > 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) > several Serpent Stars > few Hermit Crabs > few snails > Variety of mushrooms > Acroporas > Montiporas > Turbinaria > Montipora foliosa > Fire Coral > other SPS Corals > > > > > Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change > on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the > outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine > > Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used > an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run > the kit one more time. > > > NEW TANK: > 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

It sounds like the way you've been doing it is best. Then when the water level is low, take your dampened cloth (with water or plain vinegar) and wipe down the hard water build-up. Water, if it comes off easily. Vinegar, if the build-up is much harder. I repeat, the vinegar is only a 3% to 5% solution (meaning 95%+ water) and any possible minutia of residue that might be left over will NOT affect your water chemistry. Now, I don't mean pouring vinegar into the water or having a cloth dripping with it... just a dampened cloth that you can wipe down any hard water build-up without it dripping... or better yet, just put the cloth to the top of the vinegar bottle, tip it over to dampen that spot, wipe up hard water build-up and repeat as necessary. Although I've also seen vinegar actually added to a tank to lower the pH (and/or to reduce the buffering), but I do NOT recommend this... but it will not harm the fish in very small amounts. The below snip is from a LONG article dealing with water chemistry in saltwater tanks and we all know that saltwater fish are more susceptible to water quality issues than most freshwater fish. I've seen similar info when dealing with high pH situations in freshwater. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/june2002/chem.htm (SNIP from 3/4's down) High pH Problems ...One way to decrease the pH in tanks using limewater is to drive more carbon dioxide into the water. One can drive more carbon dioxide into the water through better aeration, by adding carbon dioxide directly, or by adding an organic acid that eventually breaks down into carbon dioxide (like vinegar; aka acetic acid). The vinegar can be added directly to the limewater itself, or directly to the tank... (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger It is a hospital, and I only have public restrooms to do the work in. Not exactly a great work space. Plush not sure how the president would take hearing that I am carrying a tank down the hall. On a cart I could cover it with a bed sheet and an air of mystery will be a better thing. Plus the cart could be a workbench while there. I use that method to haul the buckets of water. Is it doable? Yes, take the light off, filter off, decorations out, fish out, water out, gravel out. Slide tank out of space it is on counter top. Put on cart, take to bathroom, and commandeer it for a time. Clean the tank and rinse it out in the small sink. Reverse the process. Is it desirable? No. Now what I do is remove the decorations. Insert gravel wash completely in tank. Put finger over hose and put end in bucket. Drain water and wash gravel till I am down to the filter intake. Add the water that I had sitting at the same height in the office for a couple of days. Put decorations back in. Absolutely no signs of stress to the fish at all. No sulking or anything. So much better than when I had him in a bowl. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:57 AM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Harl, if there is some reason why you can not lift the tank, then I > apologize. If not, what can a 3 gallon tank weigh? Maybe 5 pounds? > (Empty that is.) > > Lenny, this is where you can remove the fish without taking it out of > the water. If you slowly get under the betta and come up with a glass, > coffee cup, anything that will hold water. The bettas are so damn > lazy..LOL. Depending on how much build-up we are talking about, > instead of starting with vinegar, or anything else for that matter, I > think just taking it over to the sink and rinsing it is easier. I know > the vinegar would do no harm once, maybe twice, but repeatedly w/o > PWCs I think would eventually be no good. > > joe t > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> Vinegar is not dangerous to fish as long as you don't dump it in the > water. >> Any residual left on the glass would not be an issue at all. I think >> netting the fish is more "damaging", from actual damage and/or > stress, than >> any possibility of vinegar being an issue. Just do your 25% PWC, > dampen a >> paper towel with some vinegar and wipe off the hard water build-up > and then >> refill the tank. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, >> alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger >> >> You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, > couple fake >> plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the > gravel to >> do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to >> a bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not > as easy >> as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it > that way >> I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean > it. I >> thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... >> >> I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract > from >> how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank > looks nice I >> think. I get compliments on it all the time. >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: >> > >> > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is >> > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank >> > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the >> > betta back in with the same water provided it is clean. >> > >> > joe t >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@> wrote: >> >> >> >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the >> >> mineral build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank >> >> with a Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean >> >> the > upper >> >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet >> >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37085	From: Troy	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

There are substrates specially for planted tanks, just ask where ever you are doing your buying. As for what goes in, there are several low light, easy plants that seem to be particularly good for bettas. In a little Eclipse, I have anubias, cryptocoryne, java fern and java moss. There seem to be a number of varieties of cryptocoryne, so you can do a lot with it. I also added an otocinclus, because they are small and stay small. The oto has been amazing in its algae eating-cleaned the tank noticeably in a couple of days. At first the betta followed the oto around, but now he ignores him. The oto can swim faster than the betta, should it have too. From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Betta Companions & Live Plants What kind of fish can live peacefully with bettas? (10g tank but looking to get a 70g in near future) Can I add a dwarf frog? What type of substrate should I have for live plants? I want to replace my plastic with live with the intention of the large tank being a dutch aquarium. What plants would be best for a beginner? http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm -- I'd like to mimic something like the tank by Steve Dixson, Paul Robinson or the one by Simon Post on this site. I had written an email when I first joined but doesn't look like it went through so sorry if these are repeat questions. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37086	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

As far as the first part of your question goes, almost any fish normally considered to be community fish. However there are exceptions to that rule. I would not add any tetras in the hyphessobrycon genus as most are fin nippers. they will generally be fine with any fish that is not too aggressive. Dwarf frogs will also be fine with bettas as long as you give the frogs hiding places and other fish can keep the betta entertained. The substrate that I use in my tanks which all have plants is called flourite, its made by seachem. But depending on what type of plants you intend on keeping, regular gravel should be fine.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37087	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!

I don't if any of you guys know where I can find any of these. I know they're hard to find but, it was worth the try. For those that are not fimiliar with the scientific or latin names they're commonly called Black Morpho or Black Darter Tetras.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37088	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!

Segrest Farms has them listed... http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.viewgroup&groupID=1 29 You'll have to scroll down to about 30 from the bottom.. or it's easier if you use the Edit menu on IE, then Find On This Page and put in - poecilocharax - and click the Next button and it's the only one on the page. You can also look at a picture of what they are calling this fish to verify it. Then go to their "Locate A Pet Shop" link and look for a store near you that is one of their retailers and order through them since Segrest does not sell to individuals. Also try Aquabid.com for someone that will sell to individuals. I didn't see them on LiveAquaria.com, the live fish sister site to DrsFosterSmith.com. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!! I don't if any of you guys know where I can find any of these. I know they're hard to find but, it was worth the try. For those that are not fimiliar with the scientific or latin names they're commonly called Black Morpho or Black Darter Tetras.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37089	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

Will shrimp work with danios? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <allie1068@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? They can be great bottom cleaners but mine get in the way of gravel vacs and it can be irritating. They can also be a nice snack for most fish. There's no serious detriment to having them. Just they will be food to most things that can fit them in their mouths. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:57 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons of having one. Thanks! _gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37090	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Question about vineger

Thanks Lenny, That is just what I am going to do, plus I have a bucket of water under my desk, and I have a turkey baster. I am keeping it topped off much better than I did in the past, that should reduce the width of the build up on the top... Harl On 2/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > It sounds like the way you've been doing it is best. Then when the water > level is low, take your dampened cloth (with water or plain vinegar) and > wipe down the hard water build-up. Water, if it comes off easily. Vinegar, > if the build-up is much harder. > > I repeat, the vinegar is only a 3% to 5% solution (meaning 95%+ water) and > any possible minutia of residue that might be left over will NOT affect > your > water chemistry. Now, I don't mean pouring vinegar into the water or having > a cloth dripping with it... just a dampened cloth that you can wipe down > any > hard water build-up without it dripping... or better yet, just put the > cloth > to the top of the vinegar bottle, tip it over to dampen that spot, wipe up > hard water build-up and repeat as necessary. Although I've also seen > vinegar actually added to a tank to lower the pH (and/or to reduce the > buffering), but I do NOT recommend this... but it will not harm the fish in > very small amounts. The below snip is from a LONG article dealing with > water chemistry in saltwater tanks and we all know that saltwater fish are > more susceptible to water quality issues than most freshwater fish. I've > seen similar info when dealing with high pH situations in freshwater. > > http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/june2002/chem.htm > (SNIP from 3/4's down) > High pH Problems > ...One way to decrease the pH in tanks using limewater is to drive more > carbon dioxide into the water. One can drive more carbon dioxide into the > water through better aeration, by adding carbon dioxide directly, or by > adding an organic acid that eventually breaks down into carbon dioxide > (like > vinegar; aka acetic acid). The vinegar can be added directly to the > limewater itself, or directly to the tank... > (END SNIP) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger > > It is a hospital, and I only have public restrooms to do the work in. > Not exactly a great work space. Plush not sure how the president would take > hearing that I am carrying a tank down the hall. On a cart I could cover it > with a bed sheet and an air of mystery will be a better thing. Plus the > cart could be a workbench while there. I use that method to haul the > buckets of water. > > Is it doable? Yes, take the light off, filter off, decorations out, fish > out, water out, gravel out. Slide tank out of space it is on counter top. > Put on cart, take to bathroom, and commandeer it for a time. Clean the tank > and rinse it out in the small sink. Reverse the process. Is it desirable? > No. > > Now what I do is remove the decorations. Insert gravel wash completely in > tank. Put finger over hose and put end in bucket. > Drain water and wash gravel till I am down to the filter intake. Add the > water that I had sitting at the same height in the office for a couple of > days. Put decorations back in. Absolutely no signs of stress to the fish > at all. No sulking or anything. So much better than when I had him in a > bowl. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:57 AM, jett07002 <jett07002@...<jett07002%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > Harl, if there is some reason why you can not lift the tank, then I > > apologize. If not, what can a 3 gallon tank weigh? Maybe 5 pounds? > > (Empty that is.) > > > > Lenny, this is where you can remove the fish without taking it out of > > the water. If you slowly get under the betta and come up with a glass, > > coffee cup, anything that will hold water. The bettas are so damn > > lazy..LOL. Depending on how much build-up we are talking about, > > instead of starting with vinegar, or anything else for that matter, I > > think just taking it over to the sink and rinsing it is easier. I know > > the vinegar would do no harm once, maybe twice, but repeatedly w/o > > PWCs I think would eventually be no good. > > > > joe t > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >> > >> Vinegar is not dangerous to fish as long as you don't dump it in the > > water. > >> Any residual left on the glass would not be an issue at all. I think > >> netting the fish is more "damaging", from actual damage and/or > > stress, than > >> any possibility of vinegar being an issue. Just do your 25% PWC, > > dampen a > >> paper towel with some vinegar and wipe off the hard water build-up > > and then > >> refill the tank. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles > >> referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > >> alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> Behalf Of Harl Myers > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about vineger > >> > >> You are probably right. It is not bare, but just some gravel, > > couple fake > >> plants and a swim thru pot like decoration. I remove all but the > > gravel to > >> do the water change anyway. I would have to drain it, and haul it to > >> a bathroom on a cart to rinse it out, and then set it up again. Not > > as easy > >> as my first idea, but not too bad, and probably safer. If I do it > > that way > >> I will let the build up become much more of an issue, before I clean > > it. I > >> thought I could get on it early and perhaps save some effort... > >> > >> I would get a piece of glass cut to put on top, but it would detract > > from > >> how nice it looks with condensation on it. And the little tank > > looks nice I > >> think. I get compliments on it all the time. > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > With only a 3 gallon tank, why even worry about it? If the tank is > >> > bare, put the betta in a glass or bowl of water taken from the tank > >> > temporarily. Do what you have to do. Rinse the tank and put the > >> > betta back in with the same water provided it is clean. > >> > > >> > joe t > >> > > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > Harl Myers <uneekfish@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I know that you can use it on an empty tank to clean out the > >> >> mineral build up. What I want to know is if you had a 3 gal. tank > >> >> with a Betta in it, and you were to take 2 gal. out, can you clean > >> >> the > > upper > >> >> region where the evaporation line is with vinegar? Wipe with a wet > >> >> cloth and then refill the tank, with no ill effects? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37091	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

Plywood is often used to make large tanks. Check out this guy, he is enlarging his 8oo gal. tank because it leaked... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hmzmNM-9j8 Sorry that it starts on addition #2, but I could not find the first of the series. Watch them all as it is quite interesting... On 2/5/09, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Wow! Going in so "deep" (joke = 800 gal tank) I presume you meant > new to this site. You must be commercial, or, where are you putting > an 800 gallon tank in a house? Hope you realize that's over 6400 lbs > or WATER alone. > > BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is a plywood tank? Is this > something new or just used with saltwater set ups? > > joe t > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Eric" > <marinelife@...> wrote: > > > > I am new here, > > My current tank: > > Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, > > 2007 > > > > Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH > > > > Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of > > the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased > > 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the > > tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on > > June 25 2007 to help with water movement. > > > > Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% > > full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over > > the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a > > PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and > > 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different > > tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some > > live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean > > Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works > > great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper > > than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, > > Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant > > Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. > > > > Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is > > used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ > > Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return > > > > Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started > > using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula > > from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San > > Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- > > eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak > > all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd > > Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. > > > > Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) > > Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) > > Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) > > 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) > > 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) > > 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) > > Regal Angel (added March/2008) > > Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) > > 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) > > Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) > > Sailfin Tang (May/2007) > > Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) > > Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) > > Coral Beauty (May/2007) > > Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) > > 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) > > several Serpent Stars > > few Hermit Crabs > > few snails > > Variety of mushrooms > > Acroporas > > Montiporas > > Turbinaria > > Montipora foliosa > > Fire Coral > > other SPS Corals > > > > > > > > > > Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change > > on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the > > outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine > > > > Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used > > an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run > > the kit one more time. > > > > > > NEW TANK: > > 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37092	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

I have a dwarf frog in with my betta and they seem to ignore each other all the time, so they get along great, LOL. I use just plain gravel for my substrate (it's blue), but I have easy plants, one is a low light sword (not sure what kind, the LFS is bad about that), and anacharis is also in the tank, that's a bunch plant and it should be planted separately if you plant them all in one bunch the lower parts will "melt" and the leaves will fall off. The picture you linked too looks like it may have some higher light requirement plants, and maybe even co2 being used as well. Any plants that are not green and a prettier color like red/pink tend to need a lot more light and extra nutrients and co2. But I may be wrong, I don't know the exact plant in that picture myself. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > What kind of fish can live peacefully with bettas? (10g tank but > looking to get a 70g in near future) > Can I add a dwarf frog? > > What type of substrate should I have for live plants? I want to > replace my plastic with live with the intention of the large tank > being a dutch aquarium. What plants would be best for a beginner? > > http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm > <http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm> -- I'd like to mimic > something like the tank by Steve Dixson, Paul Robinson or the one by > Simon Post on this site. > > I had written an email when I first joined but doesn't look like it > went through so sorry if these are repeat questions. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37093	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

Oto's do best in groups of 5 or more though. Amber Troy wrote: > > There are substrates specially for planted tanks, just ask where ever you > are doing your buying. As for what goes in, there are several low light, > easy plants that seem to be particularly good for bettas. In a little > Eclipse, I have anubias, cryptocoryne, java fern and java moss. There seem > to be a number of varieties of cryptocoryne, so you can do a lot with it. > > I also added an otocinclus, because they are small and stay small. The oto > has been amazing in its algae eating-cleaned the tank noticeably in a > couple > of days. At first the betta followed the oto around, but now he ignores > him. The oto can swim faster than the betta, should it have too. > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Betta Companions & Live Plants > > What kind of fish can live peacefully with bettas? (10g tank but > looking to > get a 70g in near future) > Can I add a dwarf frog? > > What type of substrate should I have for live plants? I want to replace my > plastic with live with the intention of the large tank being a dutch > aquarium. What plants would be best for a beginner? > > http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm > <http://www.aquabotanic.com/gallery.htm> -- I'd like to mimic > something like > the tank by Steve Dixson, Paul Robinson or the one by Simon Post on this > site. > > I had written an email when I first joined but doesn't look like it went > through so sorry if these are repeat questions. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37094	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

Here's the first one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r80Dbls_m4w&feature=channel_page I didn't start watching yet but I saved the first one in my favorites Aquarium-DIY folder for later viewing. I had to look at the links to all of his uploads to find the first in the series, which was on page two of his uploads and was added 3 months ago so it was the oldest one in the series... with the most recent being just a couple of hours ago. The series is into the 20-part range already. I hope he finishes soon. lol Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: I am new Plywood is often used to make large tanks. Check out this guy, he is enlarging his 8oo gal. tank because it leaked... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hmzmNM-9j8 Sorry that it starts on addition #2, but I could not find the first of the series. Watch them all as it is quite interesting... On 2/5/09, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Wow! Going in so "deep" (joke = 800 gal tank) I presume you meant > new to this site. You must be commercial, or, where are you putting an > 800 gallon tank in a house? Hope you realize that's over 6400 lbs or > WATER alone. > > BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is a plywood tank? Is this > something new or just used with saltwater set ups? > > joe t > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Eric" > <marinelife@...> wrote: > > > > I am new here, > > My current tank: > > Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, > > 2007 > > > > Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH > > > > Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of > > the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was > > purchased 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back > > into the tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to > > the tank on June 25 2007 to help with water movement. > > > > Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% > > full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over > > the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a > > PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and > > 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different > > tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some > > live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean > > Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works > > great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is > > cheaper than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, > > Pohnpei, Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use > > Instant Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. > > > > Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is > > used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ > > Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return > > > > Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started > > using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula > > from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by > > San Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have > > Cyclop- eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. > > I soak all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem > > by Boyd Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. > > > > Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) Hippo Tang > > (purchased 1995) Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) > > 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) > > 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) > > 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) > > Regal Angel (added March/2008) > > Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) Red Sea > > Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) Sailfin Tang (May/2007) Yellow Tailed > > Angel (April/19/2008) Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) Coral Beauty > > (May/2007) Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added > > Feb/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) > > 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) several Serpent Stars > > few Hermit Crabs few snails Variety of mushrooms Acroporas > > Montiporas Turbinaria Montipora foliosa Fire Coral other SPS Corals > > > > > > > > > > Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change > > on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the > > outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine > > > > Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used > > an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to > > run the kit one more time. > > > > > > NEW TANK: > > 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37095	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

Thanks Troy. I'm researching those now. The oto sounds like a winner. I had one many years ago and he was a wiz and cleaning, too. I'm hoping to add a few neon tetras. What other fish may be good? I like the color flash of the tetras but now trying to think of unusual additions. Just a couple, don't want my tank too crowded or anything. Can I put in a dwarf frog? Ghost Shrimp? Would like one fish that would be on the larger size for visual impact. All the ones I look up are not suitable to put with a veil tail. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37096	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

As far as the first part of your question goes, almost any fish normally considered to be community fish. However there are exceptions to that rule. I would not add any tetras in the hyphessobrycon genus as most are fin nippers. they will generally be fine with any fish that is not too aggressive. Dwarf frogs will also be fine with bettas as long as you give the frogs hiding places and other fish can keep the betta entertained. The substrate that I use in my tanks which all have plants is called flourite, its made by seachem. But depending on what type of plants you intend on keeping, regular gravel should be fine. ======= Thanks. I have cave type decorations and plan to add driftwood pieces as well as plenty of live plants. Are neon tetras a bad choice? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: va22_vyshys To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants As far as the first part of your question goes, almost any fish normally considered to be community fish. However there are exceptions to that rule. I would not add any tetras in the hyphessobrycon genus as most are fin nippers. they will generally be fine with any fish that is not too aggressive. Dwarf frogs will also be fine with bettas as long as you give the frogs hiding places and other fish can keep the betta entertained. The substrate that I use in my tanks which all have plants is called flourite, its made by seachem. But depending on what type of plants you intend on keeping, regular gravel should be fine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37097	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

Don't go too crazy on adding fish to that 10 gallon, it's easy to get excited about fish and get a bunch, but if you overcrowd your tank you're going to be doing a lot of filter cleanings and water changes just to keep the water clean and not lose your fish to illnesses. Also I wouldn't recommend getting anything larger yet as it's going to overcrowd that 10 gallon tank pretty easily, the bigger the fish the more they eat and produce in waste, just remember that when looking at fish, LOL. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > Thanks Troy. I'm researching those now. The oto sounds like a winner. > I had one many years ago and he was a wiz and cleaning, too. > I'm hoping to add a few neon tetras. What other fish may be good? I > like the color flash of the tetras but now trying to think of unusual > additions. Just a couple, don't want my tank too crowded or anything. > Can I put in a dwarf frog? Ghost Shrimp? > Would like one fish that would be on the larger size for visual > impact. All the ones I look up are not suitable to put with a veil tail. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37098	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

Remember that my blog has the long article on "10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" which goes over many of the combinations that are possible... without overstocking the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Betta Companions & Live Plants Don't go too crazy on adding fish to that 10 gallon, it's easy to get excited about fish and get a bunch, but if you overcrowd your tank you're going to be doing a lot of filter cleanings and water changes just to keep the water clean and not lose your fish to illnesses. Also I wouldn't recommend getting anything larger yet as it's going to overcrowd that 10 gallon tank pretty easily, the bigger the fish the more they eat and produce in waste, just remember that when looking at fish, LOL. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > Thanks Troy. I'm researching those now. The oto sounds like a winner. > I had one many years ago and he was a wiz and cleaning, too. > I'm hoping to add a few neon tetras. What other fish may be good? I > like the color flash of the tetras but now trying to think of unusual > additions. Just a couple, don't want my tank too crowded or anything. > Can I put in a dwarf frog? Ghost Shrimp? > Would like one fish that would be on the larger size for visual > impact. All the ones I look up are not suitable to put with a veil tail. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37099	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

No worries on adding too many fish to the 10g. I won't be adding many to that one at all. I have my eye on a 70g. It's used and one light/hood side needs to be replaced. He wants $200 for it. (with oak stand) No idea how much the replacement parts would be. But in any case, I am really planning for a bigger tank - 55g or larger to create my 'dutch aquarium' in. I may get a couple to test with my betta in this 10g but not much. I have a 2nd betta in a gallon glass decorative piece that I plan to move to the large tank. Kenny has been with me for 2 yrs and certainly deserves a bigger tank, if he will take to it after all this time. btw... do you think it would be foolish to try putting Kenny in with Meringue, the betta who is in my 10g? I'm so sorely tempted to see if they would get along. Meringue is particularly laid back. Won't even 'show off' when put side by side with Kenny. Kenny will fluff up a bit but then act like "ah... who cares!" and ignores him. No real facing off through the glass. Meringue is quite a bit smaller though. He has a ton more fin but only about 1.5" body to Kenny's 3 or 3.5" body. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37100	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

I wouldn't try putting them together at all, unless you want them to live with a divider in the 10 gallon tank, they're see through and they could display at each other but not attack. If they are in the same tank I'm sure one of them will end up attacking the other soon enough. I paid 250 for a 125 gallon tank with hood and all accessories (filter, python, UV filter, and some other stuff), I got a great deal only because the lady didn't want to move the tank. Keep your eye out and you'll find something eventually. I had to replace the lightbulbs in the hood and the night lights don't work, not sure what's wrong with them, they're the square boxes with 2 LED's on them and you can string them together with other ones. I could locate the item type if I really wanted, but I wouldn't know how to fix them ;) So far I haven't removed them from the hood. Maybe one of the connectors are corroded or something. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > No worries on adding too many fish to the 10g. I won't be adding many > to that one at all. I have my eye on a 70g. It's used and one > light/hood side needs to be replaced. He wants $200 for it. (with oak > stand) No idea how much the replacement parts would be. But in any > case, I am really planning for a bigger tank - 55g or larger to create > my 'dutch aquarium' in. I may get a couple to test with my betta in > this 10g but not much. I have a 2nd betta in a gallon glass decorative > piece that I plan to move to the large tank. Kenny has been with me > for 2 yrs and certainly deserves a bigger tank, if he will take to it > after all this time. > > btw... do you think it would be foolish to try putting Kenny in with > Meringue, the betta who is in my 10g? I'm so sorely tempted to see if > they would get along. Meringue is particularly laid back. Won't even > 'show off' when put side by side with Kenny. Kenny will fluff up a bit > but then act like "ah... who cares!" and ignores him. No real facing > off through the glass. Meringue is quite a bit smaller though. He has > a ton more fin but only about 1.5" body to Kenny's 3 or 3.5" body. > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37101	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Broken Thermometer Casing!

Does anyone know what those little balls in the bottom of floating thermometers are made of? I took mine out to clean it and then noticed the tip at the bottom was gone. I don't know if it broke in the water or after I took it out, but I can't find the tip and I don't see any of those little balls either in or out of the aquarium. Do I need to remove the gravel and sift through it or are those balls safe for the fish? I'd hate to think they're putting off lead or something. The thermometer looks like this one, but I don't know if it's from the same company and I can't find Aqua Culture online to email them anyway. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10795052 My next thermometer will NOT be encased in glass! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37102	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!

They are just an amalgam and should be harmless but I doubt that it broke in your tank since the thermometer would not have been floating in an upright/vertical position without the ballast balls... unless you literally broke it on the edge of the tank while taking it out so that the balls fell in the tank. I doubt that happened. more than likely, you hit it on something after taking it out of the tank. It's the little metal balls in the bottom of the thermometer that kept it floating vertical. You can verify this by trying to re-float it now in a test jug of water. It will turn on it's side, take water in through the hole in the bottom and then sink or possibly float at a slightly listing horizontal position. This is a theory of course, since I've never had one of these break on me before... which is why I suggested that you test this theory in a bucket and let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken Thermometer Casing! Does anyone know what those little balls in the bottom of floating thermometers are made of? I took mine out to clean it and then noticed the tip at the bottom was gone. I don't know if it broke in the water or after I took it out, but I can't find the tip and I don't see any of those little balls either in or out of the aquarium. Do I need to remove the gravel and sift through it or are those balls safe for the fish? I'd hate to think they're putting off lead or something. The thermometer looks like this one, but I don't know if it's from the same company and I can't find Aqua Culture online to email them anyway. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10795052 My next thermometer will NOT be encased in glass! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37103	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!

Thanks so much for setting my mind at ease. The thermometer was suctioned to the front of the tank, so it either broke when I was removing it, when I was cleaning it over the sink, or I could have bumped it when I was siphoning the gravel just beforehand. The sink theory seems most likely to me, as the other two ways should have left at least a few of those beads visible somewhere. The glass isn't jagged. The tip came off clean. I'm trying to remember if the tip was part of the glass casing or if it was just sealed with something. As long as the beads are nothing dangerous, I won't panic and scoop out all of the gravel. I'd test your theory about how it floats, but the thermometer is now in the garbage covered with wet coffee grounds and lunch remnants. I actually had re-suctioned it to the front of the tank and then noticed there was water inside the casing and the red bulb was protruding out the bottom. So much for my powers of observation. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Broken Thermometer Casing! They are just an amalgam and should be harmless but I doubt that it broke in your tank since the thermometer would not have been floating in an upright/vertical position without the ballast balls... unless you literally broke it on the edge of the tank while taking it out so that the balls fell in the tank. I doubt that happened. more than likely, you hit it on something after taking it out of the tank. It's the little metal balls in the bottom of the thermometer that kept it floating vertical. You can verify this by trying to re-float it now in a test jug of water. It will turn on it's side, take water in through the hole in the bottom and then sink or possibly float at a slightly listing horizontal position. This is a theory of course, since I've never had one of these break on me before... which is why I suggested that you test this theory in a bucket and let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken Thermometer Casing! Does anyone know what those little balls in the bottom of floating thermometers are made of? I took mine out to clean it and then noticed the tip at the bottom was gone. I don't know if it broke in the water or after I took it out, but I can't find the tip and I don't see any of those little balls either in or out of the aquarium. Do I need to remove the gravel and sift through it or are those balls safe for the fish? I'd hate to think they're putting off lead or something. The thermometer looks like this one, but I don't know if it's from the same company and I can't find Aqua Culture online to email them anyway. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10795052 My next thermometer will NOT be encased in glass! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37104	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank?

The fish eat the shrimp when they molt. No more armor. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? Not that I can tell. In fact trying to find them has been a challenge. Do the fish or shrimp munch on their skin like hermit crabs do when they molt? --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Have the shrimp molted yet? > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of turbocoupe76 > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Benefits to adding shrimp to your tank? > > > > I have a 35 gallon tank with 4 swordtails and 6 ghost shrimp. hey seem > to live peacefully :) > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > I have found myself often pondering the use of shrimp in an aquarium. > Does anyone have shrimp in their tank? Whether it be cherry shrimp, > bamboo shrimp, etc. I just want the imput on the benefits or the cons > of having one. > > > > > > Thanks! > > _gail > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37105	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: German Blue Color change

Hi guys, You may remember that i said i was setting up a tank for the german blue rams that is dedicated to the two of them. The environment is different but similar to the old. its got the same type of gravel and such in it. I placed both rams male and female, who have been making nests in the main tank recently into this tank. Since i have placed these two in this tank, it seems like they don't like each other much anymore. Im not sure whats going on. The male is chasing the female around quite a bit, and usually in the evening shes very dark looking. her dorsal side turns very dark almost black. They both eat just fine, and the male seems to have claimed one of the slate rocks for a nest, but hes chasing her around a bit like hes forgotten who she is. She will often spend time hiding also in one of the tank corners or behind the heater. So is there anything wrong or are they just adjusting to the new home? This is kinda scary since they were doing so well in the main tank. I was just hoping to have a fry to raise. :( --Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37106	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Broken Thermometer Casing!

The funny thing is, i had this same question today. My friend and i were cleaning out that 75, and his thermo was a suction one on the side of the tank. we didn't think tot take it off cuz it was sucked on there. Well i bumped it and it broke the tip. luckily none of the juice in the thermo came out, that bit didnt break. shew. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > They are just an amalgam and should be harmless but I doubt that it broke in > your tank since the thermometer would not have been floating in an > upright/vertical position without the ballast balls... unless you literally > broke it on the edge of the tank while taking it out so that the balls fell > in the tank. I doubt that happened. more than likely, you hit it on > something after taking it out of the tank. It's the little metal balls in > the bottom of the thermometer that kept it floating vertical. You can > verify this by trying to re-float it now in a test jug of water. It will > turn on it's side, take water in through the hole in the bottom and then > sink or possibly float at a slightly listing horizontal position. This is a > theory of course, since I've never had one of these break on me before... > which is why I suggested that you test this theory in a bucket and let us > know. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Broken Thermometer Casing! > > Does anyone know what those little balls in the bottom of floating > thermometers are made of? I took mine out to clean it and then noticed the > tip at the bottom was gone. I don't know if it broke in the water or after > I took it out, but I can't find the tip and I don't see any of those little > balls either in or out of the aquarium. > > Do I need to remove the gravel and sift through it or are those balls > safe for the fish? I'd hate to think they're putting off lead or something. > The thermometer looks like this one, but I don't know if it's from the same > company and I can't find Aqua Culture online to email them anyway. > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10795052 > > My next thermometer will NOT be encased in glass! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

Dave, You changed the environment, and the male may be blaming the female for that. You may need to add some dither fish to the tank to side track the male so his full attention is not on her any longer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Keymel > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Color change > > Hi guys, You may remember that i said i was setting up a tank for the > german blue rams that is dedicated to the two of them. The environment > is different but similar to the old. its got the same type of gravel > and such in it. I placed both rams male and female, who have been > making nests in the main tank recently into this tank. > > Since i have placed these two in this tank, it seems like they don't > like each other much anymore. Im not sure whats going on. The male is > chasing the female around quite a bit, and usually in the evening shes > very dark looking. her dorsal side turns very dark almost black. They > both eat just fine, and the male seems to have claimed one of the > slate rocks for a nest, but hes chasing her around a bit like hes > forgotten who she is. She will often spend time hiding also in one of > the tank corners or behind the heater. So is there anything wrong or > are they just adjusting to the new home? This is kinda scary since > they were doing so well in the main tank. I was just hoping to have a > fry to raise. :( > > --Dave > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37108	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Stocking help

Hi allI am wanting to fix up or adjust my 150 gallon tank. Here is what I have...1 dwarf blue gourami2 kissing gourami1 giant danio (the last of his school)13 silver mollies14 emerald corys ( I am waiting to put some in my 40 gallon breeder tank I will move about 6 out so there will be about 8 left in the 150)6 zebra danios1 CAE or Garra Nasuta (still not positive but he is about 5-6")2 neon tetras (again end of a school)1 red eye tetra1 gold barb1 rainbow shark1 catfish of some kind...about 6"1 dojo loach1 blackfin shark1 leopard danio1 yoyo loachNow before everyone has a coronary...I know this is not the best mix and I know lots of these fish need schools. I want to know how I should adjust the tank to be at its best and not overstock it. What should I get rid of or add or move to another tank...Right now my 40 gallon breeder is almost empty...after my fight with ick I am down to 1 peppered cory and 2 flame tetras and one adult male betta (who is going to a 10 gallon with some albino corys). I like lots of color and lots of action (I like active fish...Giant danios and Corys are some of my favorites). So what are your suggestions? "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37109	From: Eric	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: I am new

The tank will be in my living room. A plywood tank is not new, people have been using them for years. This is just a great DIY project and a cheaper way to get a large tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > Wow! Going in so "deep" (joke = 800 gal tank) I presume you meant > new to this site. You must be commercial, or, where are you putting > an 800 gallon tank in a house? Hope you realize that's over 6400 lbs > or WATER alone. > > BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is a plywood tank? Is this > something new or just used with saltwater set ups? > > joe t > > > > > -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <marinelife@> wrote: > > > > I am new here, > > My current tank: > > Tank Specs: Acrylic 375 Reef Ready 96x30x30 - Set-up on February 25, > > 2007 > > > > Lighting: 3 400W 240V 14000K MH > > > > Circulation: I have two 6100 Tunze Stream Pumps, one on each side of > > the overflow connected to a controller. A Tunze WaveBox was purchased > > 12-25-2005. Iwaki 40RLXT as my return pushed 1200gph back into the > > tank for added circulation. A second wavebox was added to the tank on > > June 25 2007 to help with water movement. > > > > Filtration: The overflows go to a 55 gallon container that is 50% > > full of water with macro algae in it. I have 80watts of light over > > the top of it and this tank has 2 500w heaters in it controlled by a > > PinPoint Temp Controller. I have about over 1000LBS of Live Rock and > > 2" of Live Sand in the 375. The LS and LR have been in different > > tanks since 1995 so they are well matured. I have mixed sand, Some > > live and some not, all fine grain sand. I also used Nature's Ocean > > Bio-Activ Live Reef Sand from Advance Aqua Tanks, This stuff works > > great. It makes up 50% or more of the sand in my tanks. It is cheaper > > than most Live Sand. My Live Rock is a mix of Premium Fiji, Pohnpei, > > Marshall Island, Caribbean, and Kaelini Tonga Ultra. I use Instant > > Ocean Reef Crystals for my mix. > > > > Extras: PRECISION MARINE 6 X 24 CALCIUM REACTOR W/EHIM PUMP. This is > > used to keep my CA, Mag, and ALK up. In May 2007 I purchased a JBJ > > Arctica 1/3 HP Inline Chiller that I run off the return > > > > Additives: I use a CA Reactor for Calcium and Alkalinity (started > > using 12/2001). I use a Formula One, Formula Two, and Angel Formula > > from Ocean Nutritionand Frozen Spirulina Enriched Brine Shrimp by San > > Francisco Bay Brand. I feed one cube once a day. I also have Cyclop- > > eeze that I feed a few times a week along with Nori Seaweed. I soak > > all the food in Selcon by American Marine Inc and Vita-Chem by Boyd > > Enterprise Inc. I use Instant Ocean Reef Crystel for my mix. > > > > Critters: Hippo Tang (donated to me by a friend in 2005) > > Hippo Tang (purchased 1995) > > Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (added March 2008) > > 3 Green Chromis (1/2001) > > 1 Green Chromis (May/2007) > > 5 Green Chromis (added Feb/2008) > > Regal Angel (added March/2008) > > Orange Shoulder Tang (April/27/2007) > > 6-line Wrasse (1/2006) > > Red Sea Emperor Angel (June/14/2007) > > Sailfin Tang (May/2007) > > Yellow Tailed Angel (April/19/2008) > > Flame Fin Tomini Tang (May/2007) > > Coral Beauty (May/2007) > > Male and female Orange Anthias (Lyretail) (added Feb/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/19/2008) > > 1 female Blue Eye Lyretail Anthia (April/21/2008) > > 1 Female Unknown Lyretail Anthia (April/2008) > > several Serpent Stars > > few Hermit Crabs > > few snails > > Variety of mushrooms > > Acroporas > > Montiporas > > Turbinaria > > Montipora foliosa > > Fire Coral > > other SPS Corals > > > > > > > > > > Maintenance: Clean the front and side panel every week. Water change > > on the 15th of the month and on the last day of the month. Clean the > > outside of the panels with Novus 1 Plastic Clean & Shine > > > > Other info: The tank was purchased with several scratches but I used > > an underwater sander kit and cleaned it right up. I still need to run > > the kit one more time. > > > > > > NEW TANK: > > 800 Gallon Plywood Tank coming in a few months > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37110	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

How many should i add? Is one enough? I have an individual scissortail danio. his friend passed a long while back. I'd rather not add my herd of tetras to the tank. I have 6 of those and would feel bad about splitting them up. How long would this dither fish need to be in the tank? should he stay indefinitely? or just long enough for the pair to settle into the new home? Thanks for the idea! On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > Dave, > > You changed the environment, and the male may be blaming the female for > that. > > You may need to add some dither fish to the tank to side track the male > so his full attention is not on her any longer. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> David Keymel >> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:56 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Color change >> >> Hi guys, You may remember that i said i was setting up a tank for the >> german blue rams that is dedicated to the two of them. The environment >> is different but similar to the old. its got the same type of gravel >> and such in it. I placed both rams male and female, who have been >> making nests in the main tank recently into this tank. >> >> Since i have placed these two in this tank, it seems like they don't >> like each other much anymore. Im not sure whats going on. The male is >> chasing the female around quite a bit, and usually in the evening shes >> very dark looking. her dorsal side turns very dark almost black. They >> both eat just fine, and the male seems to have claimed one of the >> slate rocks for a nest, but hes chasing her around a bit like hes >> forgotten who she is. She will often spend time hiding also in one of >> the tank corners or behind the heater. So is there anything wrong or >> are they just adjusting to the new home? This is kinda scary since >> they were doing so well in the main tank. I was just hoping to have a >> fry to raise. :( >> >> --Dave >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37111	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

You will need a few, so that any aggression is spread out among them. You have the right idea in using fish that tend to be quick <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Keymel > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] German Blue Color change > > How many should i add? Is one enough? I have an individual scissortail > danio. his friend passed a long while back. I'd rather not add my herd > of tetras to the tank. I have 6 of those and would feel bad about > splitting them up. How long would this dither fish need to be in the > tank? should he stay indefinitely? or just long enough for the pair to > settle into the new home? Thanks for the idea! > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > > > You changed the environment, and the male may be blaming the female for > > that. > > > > You may need to add some dither fish to the tank to side track the male > > so his full attention is not on her any longer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > >> David Keymel > >> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:56 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Color change > >> > >> Hi guys, You may remember that i said i was setting up a tank for the > >> german blue rams that is dedicated to the two of them. The environment > >> is different but similar to the old. its got the same type of gravel > >> and such in it. I placed both rams male and female, who have been > >> making nests in the main tank recently into this tank. > >> > >> Since i have placed these two in this tank, it seems like they don't > >> like each other much anymore. Im not sure whats going on. The male is > >> chasing the female around quite a bit, and usually in the evening shes > >> very dark looking. her dorsal side turns very dark almost black. They > >> both eat just fine, and the male seems to have claimed one of the > >> slate rocks for a nest, but hes chasing her around a bit like hes > >> forgotten who she is. She will often spend time hiding also in one of > >> the tank corners or behind the heater. So is there anything wrong or > >> are they just adjusting to the new home? This is kinda scary since > >> they were doing so well in the main tank. I was just hoping to have a > >> fry to raise. :( > >> > >> --Dave > >> > >> > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37112	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

What are your baseline water parameters like? Fill a gallon bucket with your tap, test it for all parameters. Add your dechlor product. Wait 24 hours and test again. Wait another 24 hours and test again. This will give you your baseline. Then you can start deciding which fish will do well with your tap water baseline and which ones will not. If you have hard water with high pH and you try to keep soft water fish, they will not do well... and vice versa if you have soft water with low pH. Test for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, GH and KH. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:50 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking help Hi allI am wanting to fix up or adjust my 150 gallon tank. Here is what I have...1 dwarf blue gourami2 kissing gourami1 giant danio (the last of his school)13 silver mollies14 emerald corys ( I am waiting to put some in my 40 gallon breeder tank I will move about 6 out so there will be about 8 left in the 150)6 zebra danios1 CAE or Garra Nasuta (still not positive but he is about 5-6")2 neon tetras (again end of a school)1 red eye tetra1 gold barb1 rainbow shark1 catfish of some kind...about 6"1 dojo loach1 blackfin shark1 leopard danio1 yoyo loachNow before everyone has a coronary...I know this is not the best mix and I know lots of these fish need schools. I want to know how I should adjust the tank to be at its best and not overstock it. What should I get rid of or add or move to another tank...Right now my 40 gallon breeder is almost empty...after my fight with ick I am down to 1 peppered cory and 2 flame tetras and one adult male betta (who is going to a 10 gallon with some albino corys). I like lots of color and lots of action (I like active fish...Giant danios and Corys are some of my favorites). So what are your suggestions? "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37113	From: Jocelyn	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents until this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, platies. chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope for the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume they're ok?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37114	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

Could they be stressed out ? -----Original Message----- From: David Keymel <azzuron@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 8:55 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] German Blue Color change Hi guys, You may remember that i said i was setting up a tank for the german blue rams that is dedicated to the two of them. The environment is different but similar to the old. its got the same type of gravel and such in it. I placed both rams male and female, who have been making nests in the main tank recently into this tank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37115	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last the entire outage. If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jocelyn > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents until > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, platies. > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope for > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume > they're ok? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37116	From: tinyfish95021	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: DrTim to speak at San Diego Tropical Fish Soc Sun Feb 8

Hi All: If you're in the San Diego area I am speaking to the San Diego Tropical Fish Society on Water Quality Sunday Feb 8 at 7pm. Their auction starts about 6pm and my talk starts at 7pm for about 45 minutes and then questions. February 8, 2009: February membership meeting, Room 101, Floral Building, Balboa Park. This month's presentation is on "Water Quality - How to make it work for you" Also I noticed a lot of posts on cycling a new tank - I'll be speaking Monday night on "How to Cycle a New Aquarium "at about 8:40 pm Eastern time on the Blue Zoo University on bluezooradio (an internet station) and you can call in with your questions. Cheers, DrTim PS: dear moderators - I hope I have not violated some policy by mentioning these. Both talks are 100% educational - there is no selling or pitching products.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37117	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: DrTim to speak at San Diego Tropical Fish Soc Sun Feb 8

Just for those who need the link for Blue Zoo University: http://www.bluezooradio.com/university.html \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > tinyfish95021 > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] DrTim to speak at San Diego Tropical Fish Soc Sun Feb 8 > > Hi All: > > If you're in the San Diego area I am speaking to the San Diego > Tropical Fish Society on Water Quality Sunday Feb 8 at 7pm. Their > auction starts about 6pm and my talk starts at 7pm for about 45 > minutes and then questions. > > February 8, 2009: February membership meeting, Room 101, Floral > Building, Balboa Park. This month's presentation is on "Water Quality > - How to make it work for you" > > Also I noticed a lot of posts on cycling a new tank - I'll be speaking > Monday night on "How to Cycle a New Aquarium "at about 8:40 pm Eastern > time on the Blue Zoo University on bluezooradio (an internet station) > and you can call in with your questions. > > Cheers, > > DrTim > > > PS: dear moderators - I hope I have not violated some policy by > mentioning these. Both talks are 100% educational - there is no > selling or pitching products. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37118	From: bkmat62	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

I am new to this group but have had aquariums for many years. I have also had power outages and have had similar concerns. The last time I had an extended outage I purchased a 600W power inverter during the outage with the intent of operating my 75 gallon tank. The power inverter is an UPS without the automated switching and it uses a car battery instead of a built in battery. My experience was that it operated the filter fine but not the heater. In fact there was a warning in the instructions regarding resistive loads. I would be suspicious of the UPS unit capabilities for these types of loads (heaters) and would think the cost of a unit with sufficient capacity to handle the full load for the duration of an outage may be prohibitive. Remember that it is not simply whether the unit has sufficient capacity to handle the load but how long will the equipment operate during an outage. I would consider a small gasoline generator if you wish to operate all aquarium systems. Otherwise, wrapping the tank in blankets for insulation as you did and operating the filter with a small UPS or power inverter may be appropriate if your outages are not very frequent. Good luck and keep in mind that what you are looking to accomplish may be fairly costly and may not be able to fully meet your expectations. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked > up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. > I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine > done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. > > To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS > (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your > computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, > they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last > the entire outage. > > If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will > come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their > Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Jocelyn > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > > > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents > until > > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water > > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, > platies. > > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta > > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on > > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish > > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope > for > > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume > > they're ok? > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37119	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: This made me sick

On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get your opinion on it. Now i know why there's shark attacks I posted the pic on the pic section

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37120	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: poecilocharax weitzmanii wanted!!!!!

Thank You Lenny!!!!!! I really appreciate that.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37121	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Betta Companions & Live Plants

Neon Tetras should be fine, they are way too fast, to be bothered by the betta really. As long as they enough space to get a safe distance away, they'll be fine. As a matter of fact, when I first started in the hobby I had the exact same setup. 30 gallon tank, neon tetras, a betta and dwarf frogs. I had them for about 6 months before, I decided to change up a little bit. But, I must warn you though you will have to do a lot of cleaning if you get dwarf frogs, because you have to make sure that food gets to the bottom for them.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37122	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

You, know what? I have the exact same problem with my rams. At least when I first got them, but you know what I did, I just simply added another female and those problems quickly went away. Then you'll be left with another problem, what to do with all those babies!!1

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37123	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I'm sure they were culls... but who knows. Here's someone else that agrees with you and also complains about the baby alligator heads that are sold as souvenirs also. http://tackyfabulousorlando.blogspot.com/2007/11/no-wonder-sharks-and-gators -are-so.html I couldn't find much info on these things though. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] This made me sick On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get your opinion on it. Now i know why there's shark attacks I posted the pic on the pic section

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37124	From: ldw3312@netzero.net	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

LOL No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. Larry -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get your opinion on it. Now i know why there's shark attacks I posted the pic on the pic section [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37125	From: palusod	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: peacock eels

I was looking into getting a peacock eel. I have a 40 gallon tank with brackish water. does anyone have any experience with these fish tht coul tell me any tips?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37126	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > LOL > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > Larry > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > your opinion on it. > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37127	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

Yea. ive read about doing that, but these two had been nesting before they should be familiar with each other. I added 3 Scissortail Rasbora, and the issue seems resolved now. In fact i would almost go so far to say they are about to nest again. the female has that look about her again. :) On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:07 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > You, know what? I have the exact same problem with my rams. At least > when I first got them, but you know what I did, I just simply added > another female and those problems quickly went away. Then you'll be > left with another problem, what to do with all those babies!!1 > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37128	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

They are even sold in lib-land San Francisco according to one of the Google hits I read. I'm surprised there's not more uproar also but PeTA is too busy coming after "Sea-Kittens"... aka our fish. ;-) Speaking of "Sea-Kittens", did y'all see the news last week where someone hacked into PeTA's Sea-Kittens website and put up a banner ad for Omaha Steaks at the top of the page. Gotta love hackers when they do something like that! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > LOL > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > Larry > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > your opinion on it. > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > I posted the pic on the pic section

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37129	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. Janet Ford ---- Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37130	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

DEAD baby sharks? I wonder if they deliberately sold them dead, or incidentally sold them dead? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:48 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] This made me sick On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get your opinion on it. Now i know why there's shark attacks I posted the pic on the pic section ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37131	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Greychildren, did you personally see this? Did you personally take the photo? And where exactly is it in the photos section? Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were trying to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > LOL > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > Larry > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > your opinion on it. > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37132	From: greychildren	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture with my cell phone here's a link from aquatic photos http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/view --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > Did you personally take the photo? > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were trying > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37133	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Link to photo of shark jars: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103 2787372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/cnhxp7 It looks like a cell phone camera was used. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > Did you personally take the photo? > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were trying > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37134	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: What plant do I have?

It was called Subwassertang. I bought it for my aquarium, but I haven't found any information on it and I'm not sure if subwassertang is even an official name. If I had the scientific name I could learn a little more about it. It looks like a marine macro algae (like a lettuce with a dark pine needle shade of green)but is fresh water. Does any one know what it is?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37135	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder modified. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. Janet Ford ---- Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37136	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: What plant do I have?

Google came up with a ton of hits on this. It appears to be an undescribed liverwort or bladderwort--there seems to be some disagreement between sites (but not on the same site). It appears to be a type of fern in the way it is described, but some also compare it to a marine algae.. FWIW, the correct German spelling is süßwassertang, or, if you don't have access to the proper characters, suesswassertang. The "u umlaut" and the "ess-zett" (the funny looking B) also known as the s-z ligature, are pronounced very differently than a "u" and a "b". \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gambusiaaffinis > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] What plant do I have? > > It was called Subwassertang. I bought it for my aquarium, but I haven't > found any information on it and I'm not sure if subwassertang is even > an official name. If I had the scientific name I could learn a little > more about it. It looks like a marine macro algae (like a lettuce with > a dark pine needle shade of green)but is fresh water. Does any one know > what it is? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37137	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: What plant do I have?

freshwater seaweed, so you were right it is like a macroalgae. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "gambusiaaffinis" <gambusiaaffinis@...> wrote: > > It was called Subwassertang. I bought it for my aquarium, but I haven't > found any information on it and I'm not sure if subwassertang is even > an official name. If I had the scientific name I could learn a little > more about it. It looks like a marine macro algae (like a lettuce with > a dark pine needle shade of green)but is fresh water. Does any one know > what it is? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37138	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for human consumption? I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with corpses, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder modified. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. Janet Ford ---- Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums would be one source. They have to do something with the pups. They could also be coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a delicacy so whenever they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the shark babies that are nearly fully developed and sell them as souvenirs. While most sharks do not birth very many pups, according to WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce around a dozen pups (blue sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and some species produce as few as two)...." so they could also be caught by nets when catching sharks in mass. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Greychildren, did you personally see this? Did you personally take the photo? And where exactly is it in the photos section? Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were trying to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > LOL > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > Larry > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > your opinion on it. > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > I posted the pic on the pic section >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37140	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: German Blue Color change

Well then all is good. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > Yea. ive read about doing that, but these two had been nesting before > they should be familiar with each other. I added 3 Scissortail > Rasbora, and the issue seems resolved now. In fact i would almost go > so far to say they are about to nest again. the female has that look > about her again. :) > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:07 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > You, know what? I have the exact same problem with my rams. At least > > when I first got them, but you know what I did, I just simply added > > another female and those problems quickly went away. Then you'll be > > left with another problem, what to do with all those babies!!1 > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37141	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I would have to say that there's some legal way that they are getting around selling these items. If it was going to be an issue about being sued those items would most likely not be on the shelf. I'm sure their distributer has to be legitimate somehow. I don't say it's right, and in fact I think it's gross myself, but it's amazing what tourists will buy ;) If Alaskan's sold dead wildlife in cups we could make a fortune, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums > would be > one source. They have to do something with the pups. They could also be > coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a delicacy so > whenever > they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the shark babies that are > nearly fully developed and sell them as souvenirs. While most sharks > do not > birth very many pups, according to WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce > around a dozen pups (blue sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and > some species produce as few as two)...." so they could also be caught by > nets when catching sharks in mass. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > Did you personally take the photo? > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > trying > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37142	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and mother-in-law too? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for human consumption? I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with corpses, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder modified. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. Janet Ford ---- Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Well, they say the perfect way to get rid of a person is inside of a crab pot ;) LOL That's terrible but it's true... Nothing left afterwards, except crabs.... Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and > mother-in-law too? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for human > consumption? > > I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with corpses, > LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last > Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently modified > folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on 2/8/2009 and then > you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. The folder's name is > "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic folder for putting > miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the pic but it may break so > you'll have to follow the above instructions... which is the easiest > way to > find a members photos when they say they just posted them as that will be > the last folder modified. > > http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278> > 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 > 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. > > Janet Ford > ---- > Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI > (also Java Moss) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37144	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

And deer heads, antlers, etc. Think of all those poor taxidermists that would be out of work! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 2:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and mother-in-law too? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for human consumption? I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with corpses, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder modified. http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278 > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/103278 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. Janet Ford ---- Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37145	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

We just make road-kill stew with ours down here. ;-) I wonder if baby shark tastes like chicken? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I would have to say that there's some legal way that they are getting around selling these items. If it was going to be an issue about being sued those items would most likely not be on the shelf. I'm sure their distributer has to be legitimate somehow. I don't say it's right, and in fact I think it's gross myself, but it's amazing what tourists will buy ;) If Alaskan's sold dead wildlife in cups we could make a fortune, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums > would be one source. They have to do something with the pups. They > could also be coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a > delicacy so whenever they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the > shark babies that are nearly fully developed and sell them as > souvenirs. While most sharks do not birth very many pups, according to > WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce around a dozen pups (blue > sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and some species produce as > few as two)...." so they could also be caught by nets when catching > sharks in mass. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > Did you personally take the photo? > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > trying to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > they're being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37146	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Well you could always head over to Florida and get yourself a baby shark from walmart and tell us how it tastes ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > We just make road-kill stew with ours down here. ;-) > > I wonder if baby shark tastes like chicken? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > I would have to say that there's some legal way that they are getting > around > selling these items. If it was going to be an issue about being sued those > items would most likely not be on the shelf. I'm sure their > distributer has > to be legitimate somehow. > I don't say it's right, and in fact I think it's gross myself, but it's > amazing what tourists will buy ;) If Alaskan's sold dead wildlife in > cups we > could make a fortune, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums > > would be one source. They have to do something with the pups. They > > could also be coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a > > delicacy so whenever they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the > > shark babies that are nearly fully developed and sell them as > > souvenirs. While most sharks do not birth very many pups, according to > > WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce around a dozen pups (blue > > sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and some species produce as > > few as two)...." so they could also be caught by nets when catching > > sharks in mass. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > Did you personally take the photo? > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > > trying to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > > they're being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> > wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > Larry > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Down here, it's the swamps. A short air-boat ride, drop 'em off and good riddance. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Well, they say the perfect way to get rid of a person is inside of a crab pot ;) LOL That's terrible but it's true... Nothing left afterwards, except crabs.... Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and > mother-in-law too? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for > human consumption? > > I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with > corpses, LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last > Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently > modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on > 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. > The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic > folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the > pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above > instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when > they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder > modified. > > http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > 103278 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > 103278> > 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 > 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. > > Janet Ford > ---- > Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37148	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I think I saw that on CSI miami once ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Down here, it's the swamps. A short air-boat ride, drop 'em off and good > riddance. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Well, they say the perfect way to get rid of a person is inside of a crab > pot ;) LOL That's terrible but it's true... Nothing left afterwards, > except > crabs.... > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and > > mother-in-law too? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for > > human consumption? > > > > I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with > > corpses, LOL. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last > > Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently > > modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on > > 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. > > The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic > > folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the > > pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above > > instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when > > they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder > > modified. > > > > http://groups. > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/> > > 103278 > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/> > > 103278> > > 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 > > 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of J. Ford > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. > > > > Janet Ford > > ---- > > Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37149	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Come on, the tourists are not buying for themselves, they are buying a trinket for someone else. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > I would have to say that there's some legal way that they are getting > around selling these items. If it was going to be an issue about being > sued those items would most likely not be on the shelf. I'm sure their > distributer has to be legitimate somehow. > I don't say it's right, and in fact I think it's gross myself, but it's > amazing what tourists will buy ;) If Alaskan's sold dead wildlife in > cups we could make a fortune, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums > > would be > > one source. They have to do something with the pups. They could also be > > coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a delicacy so > > whenever > > they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the shark babies that are > > nearly fully developed and sell them as souvenirs. While most sharks > > do not > > birth very many pups, according to WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce > > around a dozen pups (blue sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and > > some species produce as few as two)...." so they could also be caught by > > nets when catching sharks in mass. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > Did you personally take the photo? > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > > trying > > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're > > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@... > > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > Larry > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37150	From: pam andress	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Yeah someone like my son-in-law. He has one and thinks it is so neat. Has it on a shelf in their living room. YUCK! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: steve@...: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:05:55 -0500Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick Come on, the tourists are not buying for themselves, they are buying a trinket for someone else.\\Steve// > -----Original Message-----> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of> Amber Berglund> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:58 PM> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick> > I would have to say that there's some legal way that they are getting> around selling these items. If it was going to be an issue about being> sued those items would most likely not be on the shelf. I'm sure their> distributer has to be legitimate somehow.> I don't say it's right, and in fact I think it's gross myself, but it's> amazing what tourists will buy ;) If Alaskan's sold dead wildlife in> cups we could make a fortune, LOL.> > Amber> > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote:> >> > Culls from breeding sand sharks or nurse sharks in public aquariums> > would be> > one source. They have to do something with the pups. They could also be> > coming from Japan where I understand that sharks are a delicacy so> > whenever> > they catch one that is preggers, they bottle the shark babies that are> > nearly fully developed and sell them as souvenirs. While most sharks> > do not> > birth very many pups, according to WikiPedia, "... sharks normally produce> > around a dozen pups (blue sharks have been recorded as producing 135 and> > some species produce as few as two)...." so they could also be caught by> > nets when catching sharks in mass.> >> > Lenny Vasbinder> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On> > Behalf Of Dora Smith> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:09 AM> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick> >> > Greychildren, did you personally see this?> > Did you personally take the photo?> > And where exactly is it in the photos section?> >> > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were> > trying> > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're> > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are.> > Yours,> > Dora Smith> > Austin, TX> > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick> >> > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida> >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote:> > >> > > LOL> > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups> > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks.> > > Larry> > >> > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote:> > >> > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue> > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill> > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the> > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my> > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get> > > your opinion on it.> > >> > > Now i know why there's shark attacks> > >> > > I posted the pic on the pic section> > >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º>> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if> CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new> subject (was re: old subject)" <-> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37151	From: jocie stock	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

We're planning on moving in a couple months so we're probably get a UPS after we get settled in. We usually don't lose power here very often, would like to have emergency backup like that on hand though.  Thanks for the advice. --- On Sat, 2/7/09, bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> wrote: From: bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:58 PM I am new to this group but have had aquariums for many years. I have also had power outages and have had similar concerns. The last time I had an extended outage I purchased a 600W power inverter during the outage with the intent of operating my 75 gallon tank. The power inverter is an UPS without the automated switching and it uses a car battery instead of a built in battery. My experience was that it operated the filter fine but not the heater. In fact there was a warning in the instructions regarding resistive loads. I would be suspicious of the UPS unit capabilities for these types of loads (heaters) and would think the cost of a unit with sufficient capacity to handle the full load for the duration of an outage may be prohibitive. Remember that it is not simply whether the unit has sufficient capacity to handle the load but how long will the equipment operate during an outage. I would consider a small gasoline generator if you wish to operate all aquarium systems. Otherwise, wrapping the tank in blankets for insulation as you did and operating the filter with a small UPS or power inverter may be appropriate if your outages are not very frequent. Good luck and keep in mind that what you are looking to accomplish may be fairly costly and may not be able to fully meet your expectations. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked > up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. > I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine > done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. > > To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS > (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your > computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, > they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last > the entire outage. > > If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will > come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their > Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > Jocelyn > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > > > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents > until > > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water > > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, > platies. > > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta > > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on > > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish > > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope > for > > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume > > they're ok? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37152	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Snails

I'm thinking about getting some nerite snails. Should they be acclimated to the new aquarium the same way as new fish? Are there any down side to nerites in the aquarium? Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37153	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

I have to agree with the generator idea. A ups battery degrades as time goes on, called on to serve or not. So a battery 6 months old will hold a load for a much shorter time than a fresh battery that was fully charged. * monthes even worse. Small UPS systems normally replace the batteries every 12 months. Where these things really shine is when you can not have the slightest interuption. Computer. Heater and filter, they can be down while you get the generator started up. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM, jocie stock <snowangel127@...> wrote: > We're planning on moving in a couple months so we're probably get a UPS > after we get settled in. We usually don't lose power here very often, would > like to have emergency backup like that on hand though. Thanks for the > advice. > > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> wrote: > > From: bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:58 PM > > I am new to this group but have had aquariums for many years. I have > also had power outages and have had similar concerns. The last time I > had an extended outage I purchased a 600W power inverter during the > outage with the intent of operating my 75 gallon tank. The power > inverter is an UPS without the automated switching and it uses a car > battery instead of a built in battery. My experience was that it > operated the filter fine but not the heater. In fact there was a > warning in the instructions regarding resistive loads. I would be > suspicious of the UPS unit capabilities for these types of loads > (heaters) and would think the cost of a unit with sufficient capacity > to handle the full load for the duration of an outage may be > prohibitive. Remember that it is not simply whether the unit has > sufficient capacity to handle the load but how long will the equipment > operate during an outage. > > I would consider a small gasoline generator if you wish to operate all > aquarium systems. Otherwise, wrapping the tank in blankets for > insulation as you did and operating the filter with a small UPS or > power inverter may be appropriate if your outages are not very > frequent. Good luck and keep in mind that what you are looking to > accomplish may be fairly costly and may not be able to fully meet your > expectations. > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: >> >> The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked >> up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. >> I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine >> done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. >> >> To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS >> (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your >> computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, >> they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last >> the entire outage. >> >> If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will >> come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their >> Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. >> >> \\Steve// >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> > com] >> On Behalf Of >> > Jocelyn >> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish >> > >> > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents >> until >> > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water >> > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, >> platies. >> > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta >> > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on >> > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish >> > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope >> for >> > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume >> > they're ok? >> > >> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37155	From: Haley	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: fish babies!

Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big fish into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago so she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation Molly and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible for these two to breed? Thanks, Haley

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37156	From: harry perry	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Recent spam message

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37157	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

They should be acclimated to fresh water before you receive them. I've heard they lay eggs all over the place which do not hatch but need to be scraped off. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:48 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails I'm thinking about getting some nerite snails. Should they be acclimated to the new aquarium the same way as new fish? Are there any down side to nerites in the aquarium? Sent from my iPod Jimmy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37158	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: breeding cichlids

does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high success rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37159	From: Darlene	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent spam message

thank you very much Harry !! :)) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37160	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It says Florida souvenirs! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture with my cell phone here's a link from aquatic photos http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/view --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > Did you personally take the photo? > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were trying > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like they're > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37161	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I'm pretty sure they are dead. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It says > Florida souvenirs! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:16 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture with > my cell phone > > here's a link from aquatic photos > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/view > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/view> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> > wrote: > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > Did you personally take the photo? > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > trying > > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > they're > > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > Larry > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37162	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

have none of you guys ever seen these before? they sell them in biloxi as well, they are dead preserved sharks. the same way they have dead preserved frogs, rats and cats and sharks for science class yes i have seen all done in school and did two of them, but i am still supprised none of you have seen them when i saw them when i was very little, probably before i even ever owned a little goldfish in a bowl --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It says > Florida souvenirs! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:16 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture with > my cell phone > > here's a link from aquatic photos > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/vie w > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> wrote: > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > Did you personally take the photo? > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > trying > > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > they're > > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > Larry > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37163	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

It is normally recommended to replace UPS batteries every three years, though they can last longer than that, depending on the number of deep discharge cycles. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > I have to agree with the generator idea. A ups battery degrades as > time goes on, called on to serve or not. So a battery 6 months old > will hold a load for a much shorter time than a fresh battery that was > fully charged. * monthes even worse. Small UPS systems normally > replace the batteries every 12 months. Where these things really > shine is when you can not have the slightest interuption. Computer. > Heater and filter, they can be down while you get the generator > started up. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM, jocie stock <snowangel127@...> wrote: > > We're planning on moving in a couple months so we're probably get a UPS > > after we get settled in. We usually don't lose power here very often, would > > like to have emergency backup like that on hand though. Thanks for the > > advice. > > > > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> wrote: > > > > From: bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:58 PM > > > > I am new to this group but have had aquariums for many years. I have > > also had power outages and have had similar concerns. The last time I > > had an extended outage I purchased a 600W power inverter during the > > outage with the intent of operating my 75 gallon tank. The power > > inverter is an UPS without the automated switching and it uses a car > > battery instead of a built in battery. My experience was that it > > operated the filter fine but not the heater. In fact there was a > > warning in the instructions regarding resistive loads. I would be > > suspicious of the UPS unit capabilities for these types of loads > > (heaters) and would think the cost of a unit with sufficient capacity > > to handle the full load for the duration of an outage may be > > prohibitive. Remember that it is not simply whether the unit has > > sufficient capacity to handle the load but how long will the equipment > > operate during an outage. > > > > I would consider a small gasoline generator if you wish to operate all > > aquarium systems. Otherwise, wrapping the tank in blankets for > > insulation as you did and operating the filter with a small UPS or > > power inverter may be appropriate if your outages are not very > > frequent. Good luck and keep in mind that what you are looking to > > accomplish may be fairly costly and may not be able to fully meet your > > expectations. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > >> > >> The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked > >> up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. > >> I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine > >> done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. > >> > >> To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS > >> (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your > >> computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, > >> they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last > >> the entire outage. > >> > >> If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will > >> come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their > >> Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. > >> > >> \\Steve// > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > >> > com] > >> On Behalf Of > >> > Jocelyn > >> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish > >> > > >> > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents > >> until > >> > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water > >> > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, > >> platies. > >> > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta > >> > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on > >> > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish > >> > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope > >> for > >> > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume > >> > they're ok? > >> > > >> > > >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37164	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!

The gestation period for mollies is approximately 4 weeks. Your mollie had already been impregnated when you purchased her. Most livebearers can also store sperm and have several broods from one impregnation. You have two species of fish, one a mollie, the other a platy. Your fish are varieties of their respective species. Mollies and platys do not normally interbreed, however, it is possible that they might, since they are closely related. In your situation, however, it is likely that your mollie mom did not breed with anything other than another mollie. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Haley > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently > bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, > and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! > > The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big fish > into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish > is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago so > she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation Molly > and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse > the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible for > these two to breed? > > Thanks, > Haley > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37165	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

Any fish that successfully breeds often will not bring a high price. As a hobbyist, you will be lucky to be able to make the hobby pay for itself by breeding and selling fish simply because the economies of scale are not there. This applies to Africans as well as any other fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Courtland Jacob > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high success > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37166	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Blue mollies

I saw some beautiful creamsicle mollies yesterday in a LFS and so I was flipping thru a fish book I had not looked at for a while to learn more about them... and the books said there are blue mollies? I've never seen one. By the way a woman at the local Petsmart told me a while back there were no such thing as black lyretail mollies ROTFLOL But anyway, does anyone know the scientific name for the blue mollies so I could look for them for sale online? I don't think I'll be seeing any at Petsmart. Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37167	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies

I have never heard of Blue mollies, personally, so if it is true that the do have such a thing then it was probrably cultivated. Now I do know that wild caught mollies have kind of a bluish tint to them so I could be that as well. But in either case more than likely it is Poecilia sphenops.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37168	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for them myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it with fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Any fish that successfully breeds often will not bring a high price. As > a hobbyist, you will be lucky to be able to make the hobby pay for > itself by breeding and selling fish simply because the economies of > scale are not there. This applies to Africans as well as any other fish. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high > success > > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37169	From: Haley Sellers	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question

Thanks so much for the information! Is there any way to tell the difference between the female and male mollies? I'm just feeding the babies crushed fish pellets that I feed the adult fish. Are there any special dietary needs for the babies? Sorry for asking so many questions, I know very little about fish! Haley ________________________________ From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 2:50:29 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish babies! The gestation period for mollies is approximately 4 weeks. Your mollie had already been impregnated when you purchased her. Most livebearers can also store sperm and have several broods from one impregnation.. You have two species of fish, one a mollie, the other a platy. Your fish are varieties of their respective species. Mollies and platys do not normally interbreed, however, it is possible that they might, since they are closely related. In your situation, however, it is likely that your mollie mom did not breed with anything other than another mollie. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Haley > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently > bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, > and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! > > The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big fish > into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish > is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago so > she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation Molly > and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse > the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible for > these two to breed? > > Thanks, > Haley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37170	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > have none of you guys ever seen these before? they sell them in > biloxi as well, they are dead preserved sharks. the same way they > have dead preserved frogs, rats and cats and sharks for science class > yes i have seen all done in school and did two of them, but i am > still supprised none of you have seen them when i saw them when i was > very little, probably before i even ever owned a little goldfish in a > bowl > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > wrote: > > > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It > says > > Florida souvenirs! They also sell them on Ebay all the time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37171	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Nerite snails are brackish water snails that need hard water to sive long. They do not do well in fresh water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > They should be acclimated to fresh water before you receive them. I've > heard they lay eggs all over the place which do not hatch but need to be > scraped off. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:48 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > I'm thinking about getting some nerite snails. Should they be acclimated to > the new aquarium the same way as new fish? Are there any down side to > nerites in the aquarium? > > Sent from my iPod > Jimmy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37172	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the > hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for them > myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to > breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare > beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get > enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it with > fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack > In that case I would go to several pet shops and find out the fish that cost the most and buy some of those to try to breed. If they are high cost in the store then they should bring a good price when you see them as long as there is a demand for them. You could also join an aquarium club and find species that are not sold in pet shops that you might be able to breed and sell to pet shops. Good luck and let us know what kind of fish you decide on.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37173	From: greychildren	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

http://cgi.ebay.com/REAL-SHARK-IN-A-BOTTLE-JAR-JUVENILE-SHARKS-JAW- S_W0QQitemZ200305761764QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? hash=item200305761764&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66% 3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 here it is on ebay --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" > <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > have none of you guys ever seen these before? they sell them in > > biloxi as well, they are dead preserved sharks. the same way they > > have dead preserved frogs, rats and cats and sharks for science > class > > yes i have seen all done in school and did two of them, but i am > > still supprised none of you have seen them when i saw them when i > was > > very little, probably before i even ever owned a little goldfish in > a > > bowl > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It > > says > > > Florida souvenirs! > > They also sell them on Ebay all the time. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37174	From: bkmat62	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish

An UPS may not be your best choice unless you have thoroughly evaluated whether it will be able to support the heater and has sufficient capacity to operate the connected equipment for the length of time (12, 24, 48 hours) that you feel is required for the expected outages. Another option may be a hybrid solution. Use a power inverter for the filter and use 'hot water bottles' for the heat. I have not tried the 'hot water bottle' idea but if you have a gas hot water heater you should have hot water available during a power outage. It seems to me that you could fill an empty plastic milk jug with hot water (replace the jug lid so that you do not mix the hot water and aquarium water), remove an equivalent volume of water from the tank, and place the jug in the tank. You would have to monitor the temperature of your aquarium periodically but this should allow you to maintain the temperature of your aquarium. If the room temperature drops significantly you will want to insulate the tank with blankets. The next time I have an outage I will be trying this solution. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, jocie stock <snowangel127@...> wrote: > > We're planning on moving in a couple months so we're probably get a UPS after we get settled in. We usually don't lose power here very often, would like to have emergency backup like that on hand though.  Thanks for the advice. > > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> wrote: > > From: bkmat62 <bkmat62@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: we had a power outage, worried about our fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:58 PM > > > > > > > I am new to this group but have had aquariums for many years. I have > also had power outages and have had similar concerns. The last time I > had an extended outage I purchased a 600W power inverter during the > outage with the intent of operating my 75 gallon tank. The power > inverter is an UPS without the automated switching and it uses a car > battery instead of a built in battery. My experience was that it > operated the filter fine but not the heater. In fact there was a > warning in the instructions regarding resistive loads. I would be > suspicious of the UPS unit capabilities for these types of loads > (heaters) and would think the cost of a unit with sufficient capacity > to handle the full load for the duration of an outage may be > prohibitive. Remember that it is not simply whether the unit has > sufficient capacity to handle the load but how long will the equipment > operate during an outage. > > I would consider a small gasoline generator if you wish to operate all > aquarium systems. Otherwise, wrapping the tank in blankets for > insulation as you did and operating the filter with a small UPS or > power inverter may be appropriate if your outages are not very > frequent. Good luck and keep in mind that what you are looking to > accomplish may be fairly costly and may not be able to fully meet your > expectations. > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > The guppys and platys are probably going to be OK. The cory has picked > > up a fungus, it appears, and should be quarantined and treated for that. > > I'd keep an eye on them for a good 14 days, similar to the quarantine > > done when new fish are going to be introduced to your display tank. > > > > To prevent this type of thing in the future, you can get yourself a UPS > > (Uninterruptible Power Supply--just like the one you have on your > > computer) to attach your heater and filter to. When the power goes out, > > they will keep them running for a time--hopefully long enough to last > > the entire outage. > > > > If you go to www.apcc.com, and search on aquarium, three articles will > > come up for you to read about them. It looks like they recommend their > > Smart-UPS line for aquarium use. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Jocelyn > > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:12 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] we had a power outage, worried about our fish > > > > > > Wednsday night our fuse box blew and we had to stay at my parents > > until > > > this morning waiting for the idiot landlord to fix it. Our tank water > > > ended up going down to 55-60 degrees. We have cories, guppies, > > platies. > > > chinese algae eaters, plecos, tetras, rainbows, pictus cats, a betta > > > and hatchet fish. One of the cories has a cotton ball looking thing on > > > one of his fins, what could it be? We weren't able to take the fish > > > with us. All we could do was cover the tanks with blankets and hope > > for > > > the best. About how long should I keep watch before I can assume > > > they're ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37175	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question

Read over these two pages for more info on Mollies. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile24.html http://fish.mongabay.com/poeciliidae.htm Many folks will just feed them powdered flake food but I would use a quality flake food and check the ingredients. So many of our fish foods start off with stuff that is not really fish food but rather fillers like wheat, flour, meal, etc. Of course, in the past, many people only had them kinds of foods available and still successfully raised the fry but I would suspect that a better food would result in healthier fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haley Sellers Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish babies!/mollie question Thanks so much for the information! Is there any way to tell the difference between the female and male mollies? I'm just feeding the babies crushed fish pellets that I feed the adult fish. Are there any special dietary needs for the babies? Sorry for asking so many questions, I know very little about fish! Haley ________________________________ From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 2:50:29 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish babies! The gestation period for mollies is approximately 4 weeks. Your mollie had already been impregnated when you purchased her. Most livebearers can also store sperm and have several broods from one impregnation.. You have two species of fish, one a mollie, the other a platy. Your fish are varieties of their respective species. Mollies and platys do not normally interbreed, however, it is possible that they might, since they are closely related. In your situation, however, it is likely that your mollie mom did not breed with anything other than another mollie. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On Behalf Of > Haley > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently > bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, > and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! > > The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big fish > into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish > is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago so > she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation Molly > and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse > the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible for > these two to breed? > > Thanks, > Haley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Lisa in Australia

Are you doing OK down there? I know you were complaining about the heat the last time you posted and now with all the fires, just making sure you're OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37177	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist went into an established tank). I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for a wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my main focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium and see a few happy fish living in it. I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants are in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted aquariums like garden plans? Janet Ford ---- How to Write for eHow http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37178	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it should be bleached or something first. Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37179	From: Mark Hough	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

Oh my, if it's shooting sparks that's not Ironwood!!! You need to quit trying to cut down those high tension wire poles.... Seriously, I'm not too sure I would use freshly cut wood. I don't know how long or if sap would seep out of it. Collecting drift wood wouldn't be bad and yes, I would bleach it. However, after you bleach it I would soak it in water for a while and add dechlor to the water to make sure you're getting all the bleach out. And then I would let it dry out to be certain the bleach has evaporated. And for extra measure I would add more dechlor to my tank when putting the new driftwood in. I know it's probably overkill but I would rather be safe than have a system meltdown..... For what it's worth... Mark - Zone 7 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait > til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for > driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm > thinking it should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that > I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is > old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also > have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match > for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. > Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- http://www.myspace.com/mhough6229 Mark Hough I'm an agnostic, dyslectic insomniac. I lay awake at night wondering if there really is a doG. I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37180	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

You can either boil your driftwood instead of bleach, or if your dishwasher doesn't have a liquid spot remover in it, or you can empty the spot remover out, you can put it in the dishwasher and take the driftwood out before it hits the dry cycle, then throw it into a tub of tap water for it to soak up enough water so it can sink. I'm not sure if dead wood is safe, I have some set aside just in case though... Amber Mark Hough wrote: > > Oh my, if it's shooting sparks that's not Ironwood!!! You need to quit > trying to cut down those high tension wire poles.... > > Seriously, I'm not too sure I would use freshly cut wood. I don't know how > long or if sap would seep out of it. Collecting drift wood wouldn't be bad > and yes, I would bleach it. However, after you bleach it I would soak > it in > water for a while and add dechlor to the water to make sure you're getting > all the bleach out. And then I would let it dry out to be certain the > bleach has evaporated. And for extra measure I would add more dechlor > to my > tank when putting the new driftwood in. I know it's probably overkill > but I > would rather be safe than have a system meltdown..... > > For what it's worth... > > Mark - Zone 7 > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, J. Ford <ford@... > <mailto:ford%40netonecom.net>> wrote: > > > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait > > til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for > > driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm > > thinking it should be bleached or something first. > > > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use > wood that > > I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home > that is > > old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We > also > > have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is > no match > > for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. > > Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > > > Janet > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.myspace.com/mhough6229 <http://www.myspace.com/mhough6229> > > Mark Hough > > I'm an agnostic, dyslectic insomniac. I lay awake at night wondering if > there really is a doG. > I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also has a few other links to other articles. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn t.html NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html, then it seems to be an evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term soaking in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., leach out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it should be bleached or something first. Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37182	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist went into an established tank). > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for a wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my main focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium and see a few happy fish living in it. > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants are in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted aquariums like garden plans? > > Janet Ford > ---- > How to Write for eHow > http://www.howtoehow.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37183	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Janet said: "(not to worry, the fist went into an established tank)." I hope your fist went in through the top and not through one of the sides. <G> What size tank did you buy? Do you know which species of Otocinclus that you bought? Probably Otocinclus affinis http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html but there are others available. It's important that whenever you buy a new fish, you get the scientific name from the seller as that will give you a little more assurance that you are getting what you think you are getting. There's still mistakes that will be made but just a family name leaves far too much risk of error. I'm not aware of any planted tank blueprint sites but I did find this one site with a fairly decent chronology and blueprint what this hobbyist did with a 55G tank. http://www.aquabotanic.com/chronology.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist went into an established tank). I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for a wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my main focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium and see a few happy fish living in it. I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants are in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted aquariums like garden plans? Janet Ford ---- How to Write for eHow http://www.howtoehow.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37184	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....

Also, what about rocks? I want to make some caves for the fish..... Isn't there something you can put on rocks to see if they will "up" the PH? Thanks, Jim In a message dated 2/9/2009 2:18:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also has a few other links to other articles. _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn) t.html NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about _http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) then it seems to be an evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term soaking in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., leach out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it should be bleached or something first. Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. Janet **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37185	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....

Vinegar is what you will put on rocks, if they fizz and create bubbles then you cant' put it in your tank, some rocks need to be scrapped with a hard surface before applying the vinegar to know if it will be bad for your aquarium, as the outer surface is hard enough not to react to the vinegar but just under the surface after scraping you will get a reaction on some rocks. That's the safest way to test. Also don't use any rocks that contain fool's gold, and geode's are bad for aquariums as well. Amber Jpateson@... wrote: > > Also, what about rocks? I want to make some caves for the fish..... Isn't > there something you can put on rocks to see if they will "up" the PH? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 2/9/2009 2:18:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also > has a few other links to other articles. > > _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ > <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_> > > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn>) > > t.html > > NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an > aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away > or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. > > If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about > _http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ > <http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._> > (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html, > <http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,>) then it seems > to be an > evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often > pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term > soaking > in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the > water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see > how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., > leach > out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be > experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood > > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til > this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood > myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it > should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood > that I > find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that > is old > and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have > ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no > match for. > In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely > twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > Janet > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe> > bemailfooterNO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37186	From: Gail	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

My only small piece of advice would be to NOT breed Convict Cichlids. I got a breeding pair (un intentionally picked two that were male & female). After sucessfully having two or three batches of fry... I could barely give them away. What kind of African's are you considering breeding? -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37187	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

I have 0 amonia, 0 nitrite, and about 15 nitrate. My pH is about 8-8.2, my water is very alkaline. The GH is about 300 ppm, and KH is about 180. I am kind of aware of what fish I can't do...I don't think I am trying to introduce any really soft water fish. The LFS has the same water supply so I think that most of the fish will be more or less acclimated to my water. I am not doing Discus or anything. I just have fish in my 150 gallon now and I want to better serve their needs and make the experience pleasant for them, like I have a dojo loach and a yoyo loach and I know they like groups so I should get more of them, but if I get 3-4 dojos and 3-4 yoyos and I already have 14 corys (some of which I was already planning to put into a 40 gallon breeder) would that be too much on the bottom of my tank with a CAE and a catfish and some other bottom dwellers? I have 3 gourami a blue and two pink kissing, I was thinking of moving out my giant danio and leaving the three gourami with a school of zebra danios and maybe introducing Rainbows, but would that be too much action for the Gourami? I think they are fine now with like 15 platinum mollys 6 zebras 1 giant danio and a couple other random top-middle fish, but I don't know exactly. I want some color and active fish, but I also want them to thrive not just survive. I got these fish from a friend along with the tank and I just want some proper levels for the breeds. Who should go and who should stay? Most are the last of their schools that's why there is like one of each. Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37188	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

It is very difficult to make a profit selling African cichlids. One problem is they DO breed often and by the 100s and easily so prices are not high. UNLESS you do something special, like grow out peacocks until they are fully colored and sexable, or calvus until they are mature, paired and breeding which takes several years per fish. You can break even if you work really hard, but profit will be elusive. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high success rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37189	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies

I've never heard of a blue molly, but then, I'm not up on all the new varieties of mollys. It is probably a variation on one of the common mollys, which, in themselves, are often crosses of two species, especially the blacks. Ted Coletti has a new book out, "Aquarium Care of Livebearers" but I have not seen it but reports are that it is good--look at it if you can before you buy. "Atlas of Livebearers of the World" by Lothar Wischnath is another you might want to have a look at, though he does not do a real good job of explaining some things, and there are a number of fish I think should be covered, but are not. Go to www.fishbase.org and enter molly in the common name search field. When the listing comes up, there is a link that says pictures, click on that, and you'll see a number of species pictured that do have blue in them. A lot of those, however, you'll not find in your LFS. You'll also notice how no one will really come up with a species name for you <g>. If a particular species grabs you, then you know what to look for on the auction sites. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Diana Brooks > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Blue mollies > > I saw some beautiful creamsicle mollies yesterday in a LFS and so I > was flipping thru a fish book I had not looked at for a while to learn > more about them... and the books said there are blue mollies? I've > never seen one. > > By the way a woman at the local Petsmart told me a while back there > were no such thing as black lyretail mollies ROTFLOL > > But anyway, does anyone know the scientific name for the blue mollies > so I could look for them for sale online? I don't think I'll be seeing > any at Petsmart. > > Thanks > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37190	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

You have to remember to deduct the cost of food, electricity and other items that take away from your profit. I get my highest price from LFS and they only give me store credit. Take a look at the prices mail order vendors charge for their fish that would be the maximum. Then be sure to deduct shipping supplies (you can pass along the actual shipping costs). _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for them myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it with fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Any fish that successfully breeds often will not bring a high price. As > a hobbyist, you will be lucky to be able to make the hobby pay for > itself by breeding and selling fish simply because the economies of > scale are not there. This applies to Africans as well as any other fish. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high > success > > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37191	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

My dwarf gourami doesn't pay attention to any of the fish unless they bother him first (for instance my 2 rams are doing some territorial stuff, I think they're making a nest, and they chase everything away from that corner, sometimes the gourami gets mad and tries to chase back but gives up quickly). I have noticed that my dwarf gourami has a "big fish" mentality though, and even though the Severum is twice his size, he will still chase the Severum out of his territory. I have noticed that they mostly chase other round fish that are shaped similar to themselves. They ignore my guppies, platy's, danio's, and tetra's completely. I don't have any of the bigger gourami's right now, but I have heard they can be more territorial than the dwarf gourami's (I'd have to see that to believe it with mine though, LOL). I'm also thinking that if you want a proper school of dojo's and yoyo's you'll probably have to make room for them with the cory's, but they should get along well enough at least. I miss my yoyo's, and if I had a more enclosed hood I'd love to get dojo's. My 125 gallon tank has lots of room on the bottom, but cory's can be busy little guys, and not sure how the yoyo's get when they're full grown (temperment), mine didn't make it to full grown, lost them to ich. Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > > > I have 0 amonia, 0 nitrite, and about 15 nitrate. My pH is about > 8-8.2, my water is very alkaline. The GH is about 300 ppm, and KH is > about 180. I am kind of aware of what fish I can't do...I don't think > I am trying to introduce any really soft water fish. The LFS has the > same water supply so I think that most of the fish will be more or > less acclimated to my water. I am not doing Discus or anything. I just > have fish in my 150 gallon now and I want to better serve their needs > and make the experience pleasant for them, like I have a dojo loach > and a yoyo loach and I know they like groups so I should get more of > them, but if I get 3-4 dojos and 3-4 yoyos and I already have 14 corys > (some of which I was already planning to put into a 40 gallon breeder) > would that be too much on the bottom of my tank with a CAE and a > catfish and some other bottom dwellers? I have 3 gourami a blue and > two pink kissing, I was thinking of moving out my giant danio and > leaving the three gourami with a school of zebra danios and maybe > introducing Rainbows, but would that be too much action for the > Gourami? I think they are fine now with like 15 platinum mollys 6 > zebras 1 giant danio and a couple other random top-middle fish, but I > don't know exactly. I want some color and active fish, but I also want > them to thrive not just survive. I got these fish from a friend along > with the tank and I just want some proper levels for the breeds. Who > should go and who should stay? Most are the last of their schools > that's why there is like one of each. Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 > <http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37192	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

From others who have tried, as soon as you identify a “hot” fish, buy some and get them breeding, the supply has gone up, and demand has gone down (along with the prices). _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the > hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for them > myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to > breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare > beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get > enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it with > fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack > In that case I would go to several pet shops and find out the fish that cost the most and buy some of those to try to breed. If they are high cost in the store then they should bring a good price when you see them as long as there is a demand for them. You could also join an aquarium club and find species that are not sold in pet shops that you might be able to breed and sell to pet shops. Good luck and let us know what kind of fish you decide on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37193	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

I don’t know where you live, but by me I think ironwood is protected. It does have a nice twist to it though. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hough Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Oh my, if it's shooting sparks that's not Ironwood!!! You need to quit trying to cut down those high tension wire poles.... Seriously, I'm not too sure I would use freshly cut wood. I don't know how long or if sap would seep out of it. Collecting drift wood wouldn't be bad and yes, I would bleach it. However, after you bleach it I would soak it in water for a while and add dechlor to the water to make sure you're getting all the bleach out. And then I would let it dry out to be certain the bleach has evaporated. And for extra measure I would add more dechlor to my tank when putting the new driftwood in. I know it's probably overkill but I would rather be safe than have a system meltdown..... For what it's worth... Mark - Zone 7 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, J. Ford <ford@netonecom. <mailto:ford%40netonecom.net> net> wrote: > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait > til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for > driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm > thinking it should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that > I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is > old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also > have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match > for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. > Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- http://www.myspace <http://www.myspace.com/mhough6229> com/mhough6229 Mark Hough I'm an agnostic, dyslectic insomniac. I lay awake at night wondering if there really is a doG. I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37194	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

From your original message: " possibly something that would breed often and sell high" Pretty much sounds to me like you want an easy fish that will sell for big bucks, and there is no such critter. Then, I expanded upon my answer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Courtland Jacob > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:30 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids > > that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the > hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for them > myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to > breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare > beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get > enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it with > fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Any fish that successfully breeds often will not bring a high > price. As > > a hobbyist, you will be lucky to be able to make the hobby pay for > > itself by breeding and selling fish simply because the economies of > > scale are not there. This applies to Africans as well as any other > fish. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Courtland Jacob > > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > > > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high > > success > > > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37195	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Hey, how are you guys up there in the PVAS doing? I may see some at the NEC next month. \\Steve// Now a member of the "Other" PVAS. > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > William > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the > Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking > for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to > go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their > hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger > with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist > went into an established tank). > > > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list > fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. > Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as > good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that > little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate > light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy > cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala > shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or > not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) > > > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I > go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for a > wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my main > focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium > and see a few happy fish living in it. > > > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see > tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants are > in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted aquariums > like garden plans? > > > > Janet Ford > > ---- > > How to Write for eHow > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37196	From: aec crawford	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Hi Lenny Have you heard back from Lisa yet?I live in new south wales and have been watching the fires on  tv and can't believe what i am seeing!So sad ! So many lives lost!  Australia is known for it's bushfires but i have never seen anything like this.Please keep the people of Victoria in your thoughts and prayers God Bless Cin ________________________________ Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37197	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

My "ironwood" grows wild in the northeast.I think the scientific name is Ostrya virginiana. Apparently it does sink in water, but I wouldn't use fresh wood. . _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also has a few other links to other articles. http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-did n> blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn t.html NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about http://www.pima. <http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,> gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html, then it seems to be an evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term soaking in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., leach out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it should be bleached or something first. Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37198	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

If you go to the Aquatic Gardeners site, you will find beautiful tanks along with a listing of the plants in the tank. I think some of the earlier contest years had blueprints, but I don't think they do it any longer. With the name of the plants, you can then look them up to determine what is what. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. > Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger with a stand...) and some > fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist went into an established tank). > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list fishes were at the large > pet store I traveled two hours to go to. Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being > mentioned to me as good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that little > 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate light plants - hornwort. Not my > favorite but it's nice soft fishy cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a > bala shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or not. (also housing > my betta, so far so good!) > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I go about properly lighting a > tank so that I can properly care for a wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that > will be my main focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium and see a > few happy fish living in it. > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see tons of photos I love but they > don't document what type of plants are in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint > planted aquariums like garden plans? > > Janet Ford > ---- > How to Write for eHow > http://www.howtoehow.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37199	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

No reply from her yet. I just sent her a direct email as well. I'll let y'all know if I hear back from her directly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aec crawford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Lisa in Australia Hi Lenny Have you heard back from Lisa yet?I live in new south wales and have been watching the fires on  tv and can't believe what i am seeing!So sad ! So many lives lost!  Australia is known for it's bushfires but i have never seen anything like this.Please keep the people of Victoria in your thoughts and prayers God Bless Cin

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37200	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

Apparently common names are often used erroneously in the tree ID'ing also. I guess it depends on the region. I guess the local farm bureau or ag center would know the exact species of the local variety. As I re-read the original post, I should have known the one I posted about wasn't the right one since it was a desert tree and Janet mentioned 100's of acres of woods around her... but the description on the profile said it was a very hard tree that was too hard for woodpeckers and such so I thought I was onto something. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood My "ironwood" grows wild in the northeast.I think the scientific name is Ostrya virginiana. Apparently it does sink in water, but I wouldn't use fresh wood. . _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also has a few other links to other articles. http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-did n> blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn t.html NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about http://www.pima. <http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html , then it seems to be an evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term soaking in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., leach out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it should be bleached or something first. Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood that I find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that is old and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no match for. In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37201	From: Haley Sellers	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question

Great websites, thanks! Haley ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 9:51:57 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish babies!/mollie question Read over these two pages for more info on Mollies. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile24. html http://fish. mongabay. com/poeciliidae. htm Many folks will just feed them powdered flake food but I would use a quality flake food and check the ingredients. So many of our fish foods start off with stuff that is not really fish food but rather fillers like wheat, flour, meal, etc. Of course, in the past, many people only had them kinds of foods available and still successfully raised the fry but I would suspect that a better food would result in healthier fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Haley Sellers Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish babies!/mollie question Thanks so much for the information! Is there any way to tell the difference between the female and male mollies? I'm just feeding the babies crushed fish pellets that I feed the adult fish.. Are there any special dietary needs for the babies? Sorry for asking so many questions, I know very little about fish! Haley ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 2:50:29 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish babies! The gestation period for mollies is approximately 4 weeks. Your mollie had already been impregnated when you purchased her. Most livebearers can also store sperm and have several broods from one impregnation. . You have two species of fish, one a mollie, the other a platy. Your fish are varieties of their respective species. Mollies and platys do not normally interbreed, however, it is possible that they might, since they are closely related. In your situation, however, it is likely that your mollie mom did not breed with anything other than another mollie. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On Behalf Of > Haley > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently > bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, > and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! > > The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big fish > into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish > is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago so > she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation Molly > and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse > the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible for > these two to breed? > > Thanks, > Haley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37202	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: fish babies!/mollie question

A female will have a normal looking anal fin. The male's anal fin is modified into what is known as a gonopodium, which is more or less a longish tube. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Haley Sellers > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:58 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish babies!/mollie question > > Thanks so much for the information! Is there any way to tell the difference between the > female and male mollies? I'm just feeding the babies crushed fish pellets that I feed the > adult fish. Are there any special dietary needs for the babies? Sorry for asking so many > questions, I know very little about fish! > > Haley > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 2:50:29 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > > The gestation period for mollies is approximately 4 weeks. Your mollie > had already been impregnated when you purchased her. Most livebearers > can also store sperm and have several broods from one impregnation.. > > You have two species of fish, one a mollie, the other a platy. Your fish > are varieties of their respective species. Mollies and platys do not > normally interbreed, however, it is possible that they might, since they > are closely related. In your situation, however, it is likely that your > mollie mom did not breed with anything other than another mollie. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > Haley > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish babies! > > > > Hi Everyone, my name is Haley and I am new to this group. I recently > > bought a Dalmatian Molly and a Fire Sunset Platy from the pet store, > > and yesterday the Dalmation Molly had some very unexpected babies! > > > > The mom was trying to eat some of them, so I separated the two big > fish > > into another tank. I thought I read that the gestation for these fish > > is 6-8 weeks. Is that correct becuse I bought the fish two weeks ago > so > > she must have been pregnant when I got her. Also is the Dalmation > Molly > > and Fire Sunset Platy the same breed, just different verieties? Becuse > > the guy at the store kept calling them both mollies. Is is possible > for > > these two to breed? > > > > Thanks, > > Haley > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37203	From: ldw3312@netzero.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: New daddy

Got a surprise a few minutes ago. While feeding the fish a gold glimmer caught my eye....... it looks like I'm the proud father of 20+ Pineapple Swordtails. Actually this is my granddaughter's tank or so she thinks. It's a 70 gallon, heavily planted. It is still a new tank, got it just before Christmas. # Cory Cats, 4 female/1 male Swordtails, $ female/4male moons (Mickey Mouse, Blues and a pair of just orange ones) oh, three Lyre-tail Black Mollies. Already have 10 or 11 Molly babies. Gotta love the ease of taking care of live bearers. A lil back ground, I been in aquariums since 1956....ouch! Anyway, while stationed in Ft. Worth Texas I raised Angles, Swordtails, Mollies and Cories. They were all kept outside in those wading pools from K-mart. Shaded maybe half of the day. I think what helped in breeding/raising them was the natural rain water and direct sunlight. I didn't make much money as it wasn't a farm so to say, but it did keep me in the more exotic fish I kept in the house. Discus with neons in a heavily planted tank along with a 90 pound piece of petrified rock. That was a gorgeous tank w/ grolux light. The other tank had 2 leaf fish, I don't remember the scientific name. No plants, just the fish and a few guppies for feeders. Exotic but boring. That's it. Glad to meet you all Larry Kansas City, MO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37204	From: Jennie	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blue mollies

I have seen Blue Platies but not Blue Mollies. Jennie   --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blue mollies To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:18 PM I've never heard of a blue molly, but then, I'm not up on all the new varieties of mollys. It is probably a variation on one of the common mollys, which, in themselves, are often crosses of two species, especially the blacks. Ted Coletti has a new book out, "Aquarium Care of Livebearers" but I have not seen it but reports are that it is good--look at it if you can before you buy. "Atlas of Livebearers of the World" by Lothar Wischnath is another you might want to have a look at, though he does not do a real good job of explaining some things, and there are a number of fish I think should be covered, but are not. Go to www.fishbase. org and enter molly in the common name search field. When the listing comes up, there is a link that says pictures, click on that, and you'll see a number of species pictured that do have blue in them. A lot of those, however, you'll not find in your LFS. You'll also notice how no one will really come up with a species name for you <g>. If a particular species grabs you, then you know what to look for on the auction sites. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Diana Brooks > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Blue mollies > > I saw some beautiful creamsicle mollies yesterday in a LFS and so I > was flipping thru a fish book I had not looked at for a while to learn > more about them... and the books said there are blue mollies? I've > never seen one. > > By the way a woman at the local Petsmart told me a while back there > were no such thing as black lyretail mollies ROTFLOL > > But anyway, does anyone know the scientific name for the blue mollies > so I could look for them for sale online? I don't think I'll be seeing > any at Petsmart. > > Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37205	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....

In a message dated 2/9/2009 4:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Vinegar is what you will put on rocks, if they fizz and create bubbles then you cant' put it in your tank, some rocks need to be scrapped with a hard surface before applying the vinegar to know if it will be bad for your aquarium, as the outer surface is hard enough not to react to the vinegar but just under the surface after scraping you will get a reaction on some rocks. That's the safest way to test. Also don't use any rocks that contain fool's gold, and geode's are bad for aquariums as well. Amber _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) wrote: > > Also, what about rocks? I want to make some caves for the fish..... Isn't > there something you can put on rocks to see if they will "up" the PH? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 2/9/2009 2:18:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also > has a few other links to other articles. > > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn) >) > > t.html > > NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an > aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away > or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. > > If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about > __http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > > (_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) >) then it seems > to be an > evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often > pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term > soaking > in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the > water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see > how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., > leach > out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be > experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood > > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til > this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood > myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it > should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood > that I > find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that > is old > and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have > ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no > match for. > In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely > twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > Janet > > ************ ************<WBR>**A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. Se > easy > steps! > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolhttp://prhttp://prht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http: //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=fe) > <_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolhttp://prhttp://prht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http: //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=fe) > > bemailfooterNO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37206	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

That's good to hear...I had heard that the gourami may get stressed with more active fish. This is what I was thinking of doing...would I be overstocked? What would you all do? 6 Bosemani Rainbows10 Platinum Mollies6 Zebra Danios2 Kissing Gourami1 Blue Gourami (might move to my 40g tank)1 Rainbow Shark10 Neon Tetras3 Yoyo Loach3 Dojo Loach8 Emerald Corys 1 (possible) blackfin shark (I am not sure that is what it is but I think so)1 CAE (about 6")1 Catfish (about 6")Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37207	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....

Amber, Thanks, now I know what to do.... I'll be walking around the backyard with a bottle of vinegar tomorrow... :) Jim In a message dated 2/9/2009 4:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Vinegar is what you will put on rocks, if they fizz and create bubbles then you cant' put it in your tank, some rocks need to be scrapped with a hard surface before applying the vinegar to know if it will be bad for your aquarium, as the outer surface is hard enough not to react to the vinegar but just under the surface after scraping you will get a reaction on some rocks. That's the safest way to test. Also don't use any rocks that contain fool's gold, and geode's are bad for aquariums as well. Amber _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) wrote: > > Also, what about rocks? I want to make some caves for the fish..... Isn't > there something you can put on rocks to see if they will "up" the PH? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 2/9/2009 2:18:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also > has a few other links to other articles. > > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp://g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn) >) > > t.html > > NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an > aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away > or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. > > If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about > __http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > > (_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) >) then it seems > to be an > evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often > pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term > soaking > in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the > water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see > how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., > leach > out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be > experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood > > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til > this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood > myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it > should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood > that I > find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that > is old > and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have > ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no > match for. > In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37208	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

Oh. They're SUPPOSED to be dead. In that case, not particularly worried about it - just not getting what's the appeal. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick have none of you guys ever seen these before? they sell them in biloxi as well, they are dead preserved sharks. the same way they have dead preserved frogs, rats and cats and sharks for science class yes i have seen all done in school and did two of them, but i am still supprised none of you have seen them when i saw them when i was very little, probably before i even ever owned a little goldfish in a bowl --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It says > Florida souvenirs! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:16 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture with > my cell phone > > here's a link from aquatic photos > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/vie w > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> wrote: > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > Did you personally take the photo? > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they were > trying > > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > they're > > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > Larry > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37209	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

I'm worried that the neon's would get eaten. Unless your LFS sells them fully grown, then they might be okay, but if you get the small neons your other fish are likely to think they're treats ;) Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > That's good to hear...I had heard that the gourami may get stressed with more active fish. > This is what I was thinking of doing...would I be overstocked? What would you all do? > 6 Bosemani Rainbows10 Platinum Mollies6 Zebra Danios2 Kissing Gourami1 Blue Gourami (might move to my 40g tank)1 Rainbow Shark10 Neon Tetras3 Yoyo Loach3 Dojo Loach8 Emerald Corys > 1 (possible) blackfin shark (I am not sure that is what it is but I think so)1 CAE (about 6")1 Catfish (about 6")Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37210	From: William	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

Kissing gouramis can get aggressive towards one another and if you only have two it is likely that one will kill the other. If you have three or more then the aggression will be spread over two fish instead of only one fish but remember that kissing gouramis can get to be over a foot long and therefor need a large tank to house them in properly. ----- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: > > > That's good to hear...I had heard that the gourami may get stressed with more active fish. > This is what I was thinking of doing...would I be overstocked? What would you all do? > 6 Bosemani Rainbows10 Platinum Mollies6 Zebra Danios2 Kissing Gourami1 Blue Gourami (might move to my 40g tank)1 Rainbow Shark10 Neon Tetras3 Yoyo Loach3 Dojo Loach8 Emerald Corys > 1 (possible) blackfin shark (I am not sure that is what it is but I think so)1 CAE (about 6")1 Catfish (about 6")Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37211	From: Lisa	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Hi guys. Sorry, i only just got the private message from Lenny. Thanks for the kind thoughts. There is a death toll of 179, with the deaths expected to rise over 200. There are many critically ill, who are not expected to make it. Over 600 houses and property lost. And temperatures are exported to reach the high 30's 40's again on the weekend. They have caught one of the arsonists, But are still looking for the others. And they will be charged with mass murder Everywhere you go, there are stalls set up for people to donate what money they can to the Salvation army. People are donating blood. There are at least over 60 people still unaccounted for, and the coroner has a strong belief that they are already dead. -quoted from the news- When you see these areas from the air it's just a sickening feeling, particularly Kinglake and Marysville ... there's just hundreds and hundreds of houses completely obliterated so the toll will continue to rise." In my location, South east Vic, We have not been touched by this tragedy. But it makes it no less heartbreaking. Once again, thankyou all SO much for your thoughts. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37212	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Hi Lisa So glad you are ok. Its so devastating what is happening there. We have been watching the news and the Victoria CFA (country Fire Authority) site for continual updates. My partner has two sisters in the Bendigo area along with one of their daughters. All have escaped the fires, one only just with the fires reaching across the road and one house away before the wind change direction. I have a cousin in the Yarra Glen area - still waiting to hear how he has gotten on. A close friend of a friend has lost his farm and pigs in the Bendigo area. It so reminds me of the fire that swept through Canberra in 2003. But as I said to my partner, our fire is nothing to what Victoria has now. We had one massive fire, where looking at the CFA site right at this minute there is 124 recorded fires of which the majority are now listed as safe/contained. Cin You mentioned you are in NSW - are you near any fires? I know there are some around Sydney and Hunter? Take care all Jasmine --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Hi guys. Sorry, i only just got the private message from Lenny. > > Thanks for the kind thoughts. > > There is a death toll of 179, with the deaths expected to rise over > 200. > > There are many critically ill, who are not expected to make it. > > Over 600 houses and property lost. > > And temperatures are exported to reach the high 30's 40's again on > the weekend. > > They have caught one of the arsonists, But are still looking for the > others. And they will be charged with mass murder > > Everywhere you go, there are stalls set up for people to donate what > money they can to the Salvation army. People are donating blood. > > There are at least over 60 people still unaccounted for, and the > coroner has a strong belief that they are already dead. > > -quoted from the news- When you see these areas from the air it's > just a sickening feeling, particularly Kinglake and Marysville ... > there's just hundreds and hundreds of houses completely obliterated > so the toll will continue to rise." > > In my location, South east Vic, We have not been touched by this > tragedy. But it makes it no less heartbreaking. > > Once again, thankyou all SO much for your thoughts. > > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37213	From: Jasmine	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: New daddy

Congrats Well done --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > Got a surprise a few minutes ago. While feeding the fish a gold glimmer caught my eye....... it looks like I'm the proud father of 20+ Pineapple Swordtails. Actually this is my granddaughter's tank or so she thinks. It's a 70 gallon, heavily planted. It is still a new tank, got it just before Christmas. # Cory Cats, 4 female/1 male Swordtails, $ female/4male moons (Mickey Mouse, Blues and a pair of just orange ones) oh, three Lyre-tail Black Mollies. Already have 10 or 11 Molly babies. Gotta love the ease of taking care of live bearers. > A lil back ground, I been in aquariums since 1956....ouch! Anyway, while stationed in Ft. Worth Texas I raised Angles, Swordtails, Mollies and Cories. They were all kept outside in those wading pools from K-mart. Shaded maybe half of the day. I think what helped in breeding/raising them was the natural rain water and direct sunlight. I didn't make much money as it wasn't a farm so to say, but it did keep me in the more exotic fish I kept in the house. Discus with neons in a heavily planted tank along with a 90 pound piece of petrified rock. That was a gorgeous tank w/ grolux light. The other tank had 2 leaf fish, I don't remember the scientific name. No plants, just the fish and a few guppies for feeders. Exotic but boring. > That's it. Glad to meet you all > Larry > Kansas City, MO. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37214	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

what would you suggest as another colorful schooling fish that could replace the tetras and not over stock me? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37215	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

So would it be possible to keep the kissing and the blue together and rehome one kissing gourami or should there be only one gourami in a tank? I have a 150g and a 40g. Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37216	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Well it's good to here that your ok though, I don't know you but, I'm praying for you. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Hi guys. Sorry, i only just got the private message from Lenny. > > Thanks for the kind thoughts. > > There is a death toll of 179, with the deaths expected to rise over > 200. > > There are many critically ill, who are not expected to make it. > > Over 600 houses and property lost. > > And temperatures are exported to reach the high 30's 40's again on > the weekend. > > They have caught one of the arsonists, But are still looking for the > others. And they will be charged with mass murder > > Everywhere you go, there are stalls set up for people to donate what > money they can to the Salvation army. People are donating blood. > > There are at least over 60 people still unaccounted for, and the > coroner has a strong belief that they are already dead. > > -quoted from the news- When you see these areas from the air it's > just a sickening feeling, particularly Kinglake and Marysville ... > there's just hundreds and hundreds of houses completely obliterated > so the toll will continue to rise." > > In my location, South east Vic, We have not been touched by this > tragedy. But it makes it no less heartbreaking. > > Once again, thankyou all SO much for your thoughts. > > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37217	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too....

If you have Pickling Vinegar, that would be even better since it's a stronger acid.. usually around 20% versus only 5% for regular plain white vinegar. If you have a pool and have Muriatic acid, that will work as well. And last, but not least... http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/aquascaping/rocks.shtml (SNIP) Here's a better idea: if you have a nitrate test kit, you may also already have a better test than vinegar for lime content in rocks. My Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Nitrate Test contains two bottles of prepared solutions. Solution #1, labeled "Caution: contains hydrochloric acid," comes in a handy squeeze dropper bottle. If a drop or two on a candidate rock fizzes, or even bubbles, that rock would raise the pH in the aquarium. (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood/ Rocks too.... Amber, Thanks, now I know what to do.... I'll be walking around the backyard with a bottle of vinegar tomorrow... :) Jim In a message dated 2/9/2009 4:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, amber@... writes: Vinegar is what you will put on rocks, if they fizz and create bubbles then you cant' put it in your tank, some rocks need to be scrapped with a hard surface before applying the vinegar to know if it will be bad for your aquarium, as the outer surface is hard enough not to react to the vinegar but just under the surface after scraping you will get a reaction on some rocks. That's the safest way to test. Also don't use any rocks that contain fool's gold, and geode's are bad for aquariums as well. Amber _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) wrote: > > Also, what about rocks? I want to make some caves for the fish..... Isn't > there something you can put on rocks to see if they will "up" the PH? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > In a message dated 2/9/2009 2:18:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > Here's my recent article on the subject of cleaning driftwood, which also > has a few other links to other articles. > > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldh ttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp:// g_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldh ttp_ (http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp:// g_) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp:/ /g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-did n) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldhttp:/ /g_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-did n) >) > > t.html > > NO... fresh wood is usually not suitable for a closed ecosystem like an > aquarium. Yes, fresh wood regularly falls into rivers/lakes and rots away > or turns into driftwood but that is not a closed ecosystem. > > If this is the Ironwood Tree you are talking about > __http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://_ (http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._) > > (_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) > <_http://www.pima.http://www.pihttp://www.http://www._ (http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html,) >) then it seems > to be an > evergreen tree that lives in desert climates so I'm not sure how often > pieces of it will fall into water to see how well it does long term > soaking > in water. If you have an container that you can soak a piece in, test the > water first, sink the piece and then test the water every few days to see > how much the chemistry changes... or if any kinds of gums, oils, etc., > leach > out of the wood. I've never heard of using this before so you will be > experimenting unless you can find other resources that says it's OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http://Gohtt_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:51 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: [AquaticLife] Driftwood and Fresh Wood > > Since driftwood is so darn expensive, even on ebay, I thought I'd wait til > this blessed snow melts and head out to the beach and search for driftwood > myself. How do I prepare driftwood to place in my tank? I'm thinking it > should be bleached or something first. > > Can I use fresh wood? Or maybe I should restate that.. can I use wood > that I > find out here in the 100's of acres of woods surrounding my home that > is old > and aged, dead wood that is still firm? Looks like driftwood. We also have > ironwood (live). It's SUPER heavy wood even a parrot's beak is no > match for. > In cutting it with a chainsaw, it will send out sparks! Nice stuff. Nicely > twisted branches and no traditional 'bark' on it. > > Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37218	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Glad you're doing OK. Keep us posted every few days.. especially if the wild fires move any closer to you. I remember how it was when I was going through Katrina and it's aftermath and there were threads going in several forums that I was active in back then and I was updating each of them every couple of days since I only had limited internet access by plugging my cell phone into my laptop but I didn't have power for 14 days so I had to limit the amount of battery time on either since I could only get them recharged every couple of days when a friend came by with a power inverter in his car. I now have my own power inverter and better yet.. a generator and a window A/C unit! This last hurricane season was a piece of cake being able to run my fish stuff, refrigerator, microwave oven, window A/C unit, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Lisa in Australia Hi guys. Sorry, i only just got the private message from Lenny. Thanks for the kind thoughts. There is a death toll of 179, with the deaths expected to rise over 200. There are many critically ill, who are not expected to make it. Over 600 houses and property lost. And temperatures are exported to reach the high 30's 40's again on the weekend. They have caught one of the arsonists, But are still looking for the others. And they will be charged with mass murder Everywhere you go, there are stalls set up for people to donate what money they can to the Salvation army. People are donating blood. There are at least over 60 people still unaccounted for, and the coroner has a strong belief that they are already dead. -quoted from the news- When you see these areas from the air it's just a sickening feeling, particularly Kinglake and Marysville ... there's just hundreds and hundreds of houses completely obliterated so the toll will continue to rise." In my location, South east Vic, We have not been touched by this tragedy. But it makes it no less heartbreaking. Once again, thankyou all SO much for your thoughts. Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37219	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

I don't know what size tank you have, but the gouramis that you have aren't going to bothered with activity of most of your fish. However the CAE's are going to wreak havoc in a tank with slow moving fish like gouramis. Secondly, Loaches, Sharks, CAE's all in one tank! You would be flirting with disaster, as all of these guys like ther own space, so they would undoubtably spend most of their time competing for space. Unless you have a huge tank. I would suggest keeping most of the species, listed prior to blackfin shark (with the exception of kissing gouramis.) You may also want to look into moving the mollies into a tank of their own, because mollies are sensitive to stress, and can often times be suseptible to fungus and ich. --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stocking help To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:37 PM That's good to hear...I had heard that the gourami may get stressed with more active fish. This is what I was thinking of doing...would I be overstocked? What would you all do? 6 Bosemani Rainbows10 Platinum Mollies6 Zebra Danios2 Kissing Gourami1 Blue Gourami (might move to my 40g tank)1 Rainbow Shark10 Neon Tetras3 Yoyo Loach3 Dojo Loach8 Emerald Corys 1 (possible) blackfin shark (I am not sure that is what it is but I think so)1 CAE (about 6")1 Catfish (about 6")Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37220	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: help

I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them have ick I have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody have any ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My daughter has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. Thanks Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37221	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

Tom, Changing out water will aid in reducing any additional stress to a minimum, if your water is testing high in ammonia and/or nitrite, but PWC's in themselves will do nothing towards curing the Ich. You do want to test your water parameters though, to ensure it's of good quality. While some salt is beneficial in treating Ich, I hope you've been measuring the sea salt you've been adding, so as to know the amount of it you now have in the tank, rather than just adding it indiscrimately. Most of your fish are sensitive to too much salt. The token amount of salt needed with treatment of Ich, especially withb the species you have, is 1 Tbs per 5 gallons. I would tell you that you don't need to buy special "aquarium salt," as plain table salt (such as Kosher salt) will do just as well, but I see you already have the aquarium salt on hand. After ensuring this amount of salt, raise the temperature to 86 o F, and keep it there until two additional days after seeing no more signs of Ich. This may take up to 10 days or so, although it can vary. Additional aeration is helpful, not only to ensure adequate oxygen levels (although with a properly stocked tank, this should not be a concern), but this will make it more difficult for the new Ich theronts to find a host (fish). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@...> wrote: > > I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them have ick I > have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody have any > ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My daughter > has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. > > Thanks Tom >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37222	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

raising the temp won't hurt the fish if it is too high? I didn't add that much salt to the tank. Thanks for letting me know about the kosher salt, I forgot about that that I don't need sea salt. Dose any of the medicines you see at the store work? Last time it just changed the water blue and they didn't get better. This was about 3 years ago when the tank had this problem. I just added plants and some new fish also. Everything looked good until now. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Tom, Changing out water will aid in reducing any additional stress to > a minimum, if your water is testing high in ammonia and/or nitrite, but > PWC's in themselves will do nothing towards curing the Ich. You do > want to test your water parameters though, to ensure it's of good > quality. While some salt is beneficial in treating Ich, I hope you've > been measuring the sea salt you've been adding, so as to know the > amount of it you now have in the tank, rather than just adding it > indiscrimately. Most of your fish are sensitive to too much salt. > > The token amount of salt needed with treatment of Ich, especially withb > the species you have, is 1 Tbs per 5 gallons. I would tell you that > you don't need to buy special "aquarium salt," as plain table salt > (such as Kosher salt) will do just as well, but I see you already have > the aquarium salt on hand. > > After ensuring this amount of salt, raise the temperature to 86 o F, > and keep it there until two additional days after seeing no more signs > of Ich. This may take up to 10 days or so, although it can vary. > Additional aeration is helpful, not only to ensure adequate oxygen > levels (although with a properly stocked tank, this should not be a > concern), but this will make it more difficult for the new Ich theronts > to find a host (fish). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them have ick > I > > have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody have > any > > ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My > daughter > > has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. > > > > Thanks Tom > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37223	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking help

> I don't know what size tank you have, I have a 150 gallon tank and a 40 gallon tank Right now all of the fish are in the 150 gallon. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37224	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

To answer your question directly, yes a temperature that is too high will kill your fish when raised to 96 o or so, but you shouldn't feel that 86 o is too high; it isn't. Most tropical fish will take that in stride. An intelligently stocked (not crowded) tank will ensure the fishes safety at higher temperatures, and aeration will help as well even if not essential. This established heat treatment is the safest for curing this disease. With the Kosher salt, you can buy a 3 pound box in the supermarket for around $2, usually less. The least you would pay for a 2 pound container of aquarium salt would be $3.29, and that would be from a discount store such as Drs Foster & Smith. Yes, most of the medicines at the LFS's will work, some better than others -- for many of the normally scaled fish. Note, I said many fish not most, and I said scaled fish, not scaleless fish such as what you have. For starters, please know that the hobbyist should never add chemicals to the tank if its at all avoidable. Fish don't enjoy swimming in a chemical soup, no matter how diluted it may seem; its just not condusive to their well being. their are a few exceptions of course, such as a chloramine neutralizer for your tap water, but otherwise any such additives -- even such as "medicines" -- should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. The "blue water" you mentioned as using previously as a medication was a dye medication. Not all, but most Ich medications are a form of a dye medication. Your particular fish (all of them) are sensitive to dye medications in that they will absorb this through their scaleless skin, making it toxic to them. You can use these meds at half-strength for treating these fish, but it's best not to subject them to it. They will still be absorbing this dye through their skin, only luckily it won't reach toxic levels. But that's like saying you may ingest an amount of arsenic up to half the amount that would kill you; would you want to do that? Your Clown Loaches can easily take temperatures to at least 92 o and a bit more. I'm not certain about the Bronze Catfish as to whether it would take 90 o or more. I don't believe many Tetras would be comfortable that high, but surely all should be fine at 86 o. BTW, what size tank do you have these fish in? Note that, although Clown Loaches grow comparatively slowly, they can attain a length of about 12" in captivity so you'll have to consider their future needs sooner rather than later. If your fish store is agreeable, maybe you could make arrangements when the time comes, to trade the Clowns in for smaller specimens but not in cold weather -- which would invite Ich for them as they're particularly susceptible to the stress of chilling. Keep us posted. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@...> wrote: > > raising the temp won't hurt the fish if it is too high? I didn't add > that much salt to the tank. Thanks for letting me know about the > kosher salt, I forgot about that that I don't need sea salt. Dose > any of the medicines you see at the store work? Last time it just > changed the water blue and they didn't get better. This was about 3 > years ago when the tank had this problem. I just added plants and > some new fish also. Everything looked good until now. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Tom, Changing out water will aid in reducing any additional stress > to > > a minimum, if your water is testing high in ammonia and/or nitrite, > but > > PWC's in themselves will do nothing towards curing the Ich. You do > > want to test your water parameters though, to ensure it's of good > > quality. While some salt is beneficial in treating Ich, I hope > you've > > been measuring the sea salt you've been adding, so as to know the > > amount of it you now have in the tank, rather than just adding it > > indiscrimately. Most of your fish are sensitive to too much salt. > > > > The token amount of salt needed with treatment of Ich, especially > withb > > the species you have, is 1 Tbs per 5 gallons. I would tell you > that > > you don't need to buy special "aquarium salt," as plain table salt > > (such as Kosher salt) will do just as well, but I see you already > have > > the aquarium salt on hand. > > > > After ensuring this amount of salt, raise the temperature to 86 o > F, > > and keep it there until two additional days after seeing no more > signs > > of Ich. This may take up to 10 days or so, although it can vary. > > Additional aeration is helpful, not only to ensure adequate oxygen > > levels (although with a properly stocked tank, this should not be a > > concern), but this will make it more difficult for the new Ich > theronts > > to find a host (fish). Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > > > I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them have > ick > > I > > > have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody > have > > any > > > ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My > > daughter > > > has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. > > > > > > Thanks Tom > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37225	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I misunderstand? Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? Thanks again.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37226	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. Which brand test kit? Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were those test results? I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it would have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or gravel would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for those levels as well. Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new tank, transferring the media, etc. Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply about what you did and the timeline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I misunderstand? Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? Thanks again.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37227	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

I too am glad that you are doing well. I am with heavy heart for the people and animals that have perished in these fires and hope that the grief will not be larger and that the rebuilding will be completed faster than our Katrina (our government was not very good at that one). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Glad you're doing OK. Keep us posted every few days.. especially if the > wild fires move any closer to you. > > I remember how it was when I was going through Katrina and it's aftermath > and there were threads going in several forums that I was active in back > then and I was updating each of them every couple of days since I only had > limited internet access by plugging my cell phone into my laptop but I > didn't have power for 14 days so I had to limit the amount of battery time > on either since I could only get them recharged every couple of days when a > friend came by with a power inverter in his car. I now have my own power > inverter and better yet.. a generator and a window A/C unit! This last > hurricane season was a piece of cake being able to run my fish stuff, > refrigerator, microwave oven, window A/C unit, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37228	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

I would keep the temp up to 86 for several days or even a week after you see the last dot on any fish so that the cyst will have hatched and died due to the warm water. Most ick cannot live in water that is that warm but there are a few strains that are beginning to be able to live in warmer water. Make sure that you are not overcrowded and keep the water aerated well so that there is enough oxygen for the fish. Keep us informed as to the progress of your fish. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > To answer your question directly, yes a temperature that is too high > will kill your fish when raised to 96 o or so, but you shouldn't feel > that 86 o is too high; it isn't. Most tropical fish will take that > in stride. An intelligently stocked (not crowded) tank will ensure > the fishes safety at higher temperatures, and aeration will help as > well even if not essential. This established heat treatment is the > safest for curing this disease. > > With the Kosher salt, you can buy a 3 pound box in the supermarket > for around $2, usually less. The least you would pay for a 2 pound > container of aquarium salt would be $3.29, and that would be from a > discount store such as Drs Foster & Smith. > > Yes, most of the medicines at the LFS's will work, some better than > others -- for many of the normally scaled fish. Note, I said many > fish not most, and I said scaled fish, not scaleless fish such as > what you have. For starters, please know that the hobbyist should > never add chemicals to the tank if its at all avoidable. Fish don't > enjoy swimming in a chemical soup, no matter how diluted it may seem; > its just not condusive to their well being. their are a few > exceptions of course, such as a chloramine neutralizer for your tap > water, but otherwise any such additives -- even such as "medicines" -- > should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. > > The "blue water" you mentioned as using previously as a medication > was a dye medication. Not all, but most Ich medications are a form > of a dye medication. Your particular fish (all of them) are > sensitive to dye medications in that they will absorb this through > their scaleless skin, making it toxic to them. You can use these > meds at half-strength for treating these fish, but it's best not to > subject them to it. They will still be absorbing this dye through > their skin, only luckily it won't reach toxic levels. But that's > like saying you may ingest an amount of arsenic up to half the amount > that would kill you; would you want to do that? > > Your Clown Loaches can easily take temperatures to at least 92 o and > a bit more. I'm not certain about the Bronze Catfish as to whether > it would take 90 o or more. I don't believe many Tetras would be > comfortable that high, but surely all should be fine at 86 o. > > BTW, what size tank do you have these fish in? Note that, although > Clown Loaches grow comparatively slowly, they can attain a length of > about 12" in captivity so you'll have to consider their future needs > sooner rather than later. If your fish store is agreeable, maybe you > could make arrangements when the time comes, to trade the Clowns in > for smaller specimens but not in cold weather -- which would invite > Ich for them as they're particularly susceptible to the stress of > chilling. Keep us posted. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > raising the temp won't hurt the fish if it is too high? I didn't > add > > that much salt to the tank. Thanks for letting me know about the > > kosher salt, I forgot about that that I don't need sea salt. Dose > > any of the medicines you see at the store work? Last time it just > > changed the water blue and they didn't get better. This was about 3 > > years ago when the tank had this problem. I just added plants and > > some new fish also. Everything looked good until now. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Tom, Changing out water will aid in reducing any additional > stress > > to > > > a minimum, if your water is testing high in ammonia and/or > nitrite, > > but > > > PWC's in themselves will do nothing towards curing the Ich. You > do > > > want to test your water parameters though, to ensure it's of good > > > quality. While some salt is beneficial in treating Ich, I hope > > you've > > > been measuring the sea salt you've been adding, so as to know the > > > amount of it you now have in the tank, rather than just adding it > > > indiscrimately. Most of your fish are sensitive to too much salt. > > > > > > The token amount of salt needed with treatment of Ich, especially > > withb > > > the species you have, is 1 Tbs per 5 gallons. I would tell you > > that > > > you don't need to buy special "aquarium salt," as plain table > salt > > > (such as Kosher salt) will do just as well, but I see you already > > have > > > the aquarium salt on hand. > > > > > > After ensuring this amount of salt, raise the temperature to 86 o > > F, > > > and keep it there until two additional days after seeing no more > > signs > > > of Ich. This may take up to 10 days or so, although it can > vary. > > > Additional aeration is helpful, not only to ensure adequate > oxygen > > > levels (although with a properly stocked tank, this should not be > a > > > concern), but this will make it more difficult for the new Ich > > theronts > > > to find a host (fish). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them > have > > ick > > > I > > > > have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody > > have > > > any > > > > ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My > > > daughter > > > > has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. > > > > > > > > Thanks Tom > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37229	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

You need to test your tap water for ammonia, if you have city water they might be using chloramine which is chlorine and ammonia combined so that they do not have to use as much chlorine. Ammonia will not evaporate like free chlorine will. Some of your plants might be dying and producing ammonia. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I > put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple > of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read > that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are > fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > misunderstand? > > Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > > Thanks again. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37230	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Bill, (others may want to delete this one since it delves into New Orleans politics) It's not "our government's" fault down here in N'Awlins that the rebuilding has been so slow. Don't fall into the drive-by media's propaganda on blaming the disaster on President Bush. The sad fact was that over 50% of homeowners, businesses and property owners chose NOT to buy low cost taxpayer subsidized flood insurance. They chose to buy a new car or a big screen TV instead. Then they expect the rest of the tax-payers to bail them out. Why? Because in the past, "our government" has always done it that way and they are doing it all over again right now with all the bailouts that are going on right now... so I guess in that context, it is the governments fault... but not for the reasons you think... but more because our government continues to perpetuate a nanny-state where people are not held responsible for the choices they make in their lives and then expect the rest of us to pay for their bad choices... and unfortunately, "our government" rewards them with a multitude of welfare programs, bailouts, etc. These bad choices also include the politicians that New Orleans has elected or helped to elect for the past 100 years... convicted or known criminals such as Gov's. Huey P. Long, Edwin W. Edwards (3 times before he was finally convicted and hopefully will die in prison), three different Insurance Commissioners (some still in prison), Mayor Ray Nagin, Congressman "Dollar" Bill Jefferson (soon to go to prison), etc., etc., etc. We've also had many appointed "Levee Board" members indicted and convicted as well. It was all of these crooked politicians that chose to enrich themselves and live high-on-the-hog off the taxpayers, rather than putting every penny into building the best possible flood protection that led to the New Orleans levee problems. Even though all these people and businesses chose to not buy low-cost taxpayer subsidized flood insurance (use to be around $300.00 a year for an average home... now much more), the government still gave all of these irresponsible people bailout money in lump sums.. and many of these people decided to buy a new house in some other State or area rather than rebuild their damaged homes since the government didn't mandate that the money go to rebuilding their property, so their deteriorating homes and businesses are blemishes on the rest of their former neighborhoods... and some people even bought Porsches, Lamborghini's, etc. with their bailout money... hmmmm... kind of sounds like the current bailout issues. In closing... why choose to be responsible for your actions when the government will bail you out when you make bad choices??? Heck, I'm almost tempted to give up the now, higher cost flood insurance and take advantage of a nice free bailout the next time there's a flood... but don't worry... I won't! Unlike politicians, I practice what I preach! ;-) Oh yeah... fish.. had to keep it on topic. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Lisa in Australia I too am glad that you are doing well. I am with heavy heart for the people and animals that have perished in these fires and hope that the grief will not be larger and that the rebuilding will be completed faster than our Katrina (our government was not very good at that one). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Glad you're doing OK. Keep us posted every few days.. especially if the > wild fires move any closer to you. > > I remember how it was when I was going through Katrina and it's aftermath > and there were threads going in several forums that I was active in back > then and I was updating each of them every couple of days since I only had > limited internet access by plugging my cell phone into my laptop but I > didn't have power for 14 days so I had to limit the amount of battery time > on either since I could only get them recharged every couple of days when a > friend came by with a power inverter in his car. I now have my own power > inverter and better yet.. a generator and a window A/C unit! This last > hurricane season was a piece of cake being able to run my fish stuff, > refrigerator, microwave oven, window A/C unit, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37231	From: ldw1123	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Brings up a good point.... is there one brand that stands out from the others? Better/more accurate results? Longer self life? Thankingg all for their time. Larry --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good > to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. > > Which brand test kit? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37232	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

For the lower priced brands, either API or Tetratest-Laborette, both available via WalMart.com for under $17.00 with free site-to-store shipping to your local store. Other online sites like DrsFosterSmith.com and ThatFishPlace.com also have competitive prices on the API brand but then you have to pay shipping... unless you are already placing a large enough order where you can bundle it in. While the manufacturers might have "shelf life" dates up to five years, once you open the bottles, it's best to replace them at least annually. Like most chemicals, once exposed to air, they start to deteriorate. With either of the above brands, the API Master Test Kit has larger bottles of reagent so you get more tests but it doesn't come with the GH/KH test kit so you have to pay an extra $7.00 or so for that kit. The T-L Master Test kit has smaller bottles of reagent so not as many tests but it includes the GH/KH test kit but has no Nitrate test kit so you would have to spend an extra $3.00 or so for the API Nitrate test kit. Comparing the API color charts is sometimes a task especially at the lower end of the spectrums for ammonia of 0.25ppm or 0.5ppm (same with nitrites) but those levels are usually not dangerous unless you have high pH water. Once the ammonia level reaches 1.0ppm or higher, then the color is easy to discern. The 0.0ppm level is easy to discern on all of the kits which is the goal for ammonia/nitrites anyhow so as long as you are getting 0.0ppm, then you don't have to worry about the other levels. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ldw1123 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another Newbie Question Brings up a good point.... is there one brand that stands out from the others? Better/more accurate results? Longer self life? Thankingg all for their time. Larry --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good > to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. > > Which brand test kit? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37233	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Right on again Lenny from someone from Louisiana! Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:11 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Bill, (others may want to delete this one since it delves into New Orleans politics) It's not "our government's" fault down here in N'Awlins that the rebuilding has been so slow. Don't fall into the drive-by media's propaganda on blaming the disaster on President Bush. The sad fact was that over 50% of homeowners, businesses and property owners chose NOT to buy low cost taxpayer subsidized flood insurance. They chose to buy a new car or a big screen TV instead. Then they expect the rest of the tax-payers to bail them out. Why? Because in the past, "our government" has always done it that way and they are doing it all over again right now with all the bailouts that are going on right now... so I guess in that context, it is the governments fault... but not for the reasons you think... but more because our government continues to perpetuate a nanny-state where people are not held responsible for the choices they make in their lives and then expect the rest of us to pay for their bad choices... and unfortunately, "our government" rewards them with a multitude of welfare programs, bailouts, etc. These bad choices also include the politicians that New Orleans has elected or helped to elect for the past 100 years... convicted or known criminals such as Gov's. Huey P. Long, Edwin W. Edwards (3 times before he was finally convicted and hopefully will die in prison), three different Insurance Commissioners (some still in prison), Mayor Ray Nagin, Congressman "Dollar" Bill Jefferson (soon to go to prison), etc., etc., etc. We've also had many appointed "Levee Board" members indicted and convicted as well. It was all of these crooked politicians that chose to enrich themselves and live high-on-the-hog off the taxpayers, rather than putting every penny into building the best possible flood protection that led to the New Orleans levee problems. Even though all these people and businesses chose to not buy low-cost taxpayer subsidized flood insurance (use to be around $300.00 a year for an average home... now much more), the government still gave all of these irresponsible people bailout money in lump sums.. and many of these people decided to buy a new house in some other State or area rather than rebuild their damaged homes since the government didn't mandate that the money go to rebuilding their property, so their deteriorating homes and businesses are blemishes on the rest of their former neighborhoods... and some people even bought Porsches, Lamborghini's, etc. with their bailout money... hmmmm... kind of sounds like the current bailout issues. In closing... why choose to be responsible for your actions when the government will bail you out when you make bad choices??? Heck, I'm almost tempted to give up the now, higher cost flood insurance and take advantage of a nice free bailout the next time there's a flood... but don't worry... I won't! Unlike politicians, I practice what I preach! ;-) Oh yeah.... fish.. had to keep it on topic. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Lisa in Australia I too am glad that you are doing well. I am with heavy heart for the people and animals that have perished in these fires and hope that the grief will not be larger and that the rebuilding will be completed faster than our Katrina (our government was not very good at that one). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Glad you're doing OK. Keep us posted every few days.. especially if the > wild fires move any closer to you. > > I remember how it was when I was going through Katrina and it's aftermath > and there were threads going in several forums that I was active in back > then and I was updating each of them every couple of days since I only had > limited internet access by plugging my cell phone into my laptop but I > didn't have power for 14 days so I had to limit the amount of battery time > on either since I could only get them recharged every couple of days when a > friend came by with a power inverter in his car. I now have my own power > inverter and better yet.. a generator and a window A/C unit! This last > hurricane season was a piece of cake being able to run my fish stuff, > refrigerator, microwave oven, window A/C unit, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) file-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } --> --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37234	From: tom	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

Hey Ray & William thanks for all the info. The tank I have is a 38 gallon tank I have about 25 fish. Small neons to the clown loaches and one pleck. The pleck being the largest 5". I have several plants and some other decor, there is also about 30 pounds of gravel in it as well. I'll keep adding the salt but not to much. I also have the stress ease med I don't think that will help though. I know I don't that it can still show up. I thought it wouldn't because I change the water, about 1/4 of the tank, around every 3 weeks and I add sea salt as well. Little did I know that it can still show up. Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37235	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Does your tap water have ammonia in it? If you have the established filter media and plants in the tank you're going to want to feed the tank ammonia until you put fish into the tank, as your bacteria will start to die in about 24 hours... If your tank was running for 3 days with the filter and no fish, then the bacteria might have already started to die off. The bacteria needs ammonia and nitrites to survive, without any they will quickly die off. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I > put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple > of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to > read > that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are > fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > misunderstand? > > Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > > Thanks again. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37236	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

Since loaches are different than other kinds of fish, I thought I would pass on this link that is very helpful for loach owners. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=2599&sid=2dc58c9a427cffb4f70868cd88ea3bda It goes over how to adjust the doses since they are sensitive to medicines, and some loaches are sensitive to warmer waters (such as hillstream loaches, which is what I have in my tank). Amber William wrote: > > I would keep the temp up to 86 for several days or even a week after > you see the last dot on any fish so that the cyst will have hatched > and died due to the warm water. Most ick cannot live in water that is > that warm but there are a few strains that are beginning to be able > to live in warmer water. Make sure that you are not overcrowded and > keep the water aerated well so that there is enough oxygen for the > fish. Keep us informed as to the progress of your fish. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > To answer your question directly, yes a temperature that is too > high > > will kill your fish when raised to 96 o or so, but you shouldn't > feel > > that 86 o is too high; it isn't. Most tropical fish will take that > > in stride. An intelligently stocked (not crowded) tank will ensure > > the fishes safety at higher temperatures, and aeration will help as > > well even if not essential. This established heat treatment is the > > safest for curing this disease. > > > > With the Kosher salt, you can buy a 3 pound box in the supermarket > > for around $2, usually less. The least you would pay for a 2 pound > > container of aquarium salt would be $3.29, and that would be from a > > discount store such as Drs Foster & Smith. > > > > Yes, most of the medicines at the LFS's will work, some better than > > others -- for many of the normally scaled fish. Note, I said many > > fish not most, and I said scaled fish, not scaleless fish such as > > what you have. For starters, please know that the hobbyist should > > never add chemicals to the tank if its at all avoidable. Fish > don't > > enjoy swimming in a chemical soup, no matter how diluted it may > seem; > > its just not condusive to their well being. their are a few > > exceptions of course, such as a chloramine neutralizer for your tap > > water, but otherwise any such additives -- even such > as "medicines" -- > > should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. > > > > The "blue water" you mentioned as using previously as a medication > > was a dye medication. Not all, but most Ich medications are a form > > of a dye medication. Your particular fish (all of them) are > > sensitive to dye medications in that they will absorb this through > > their scaleless skin, making it toxic to them. You can use these > > meds at half-strength for treating these fish, but it's best not to > > subject them to it. They will still be absorbing this dye through > > their skin, only luckily it won't reach toxic levels. But that's > > like saying you may ingest an amount of arsenic up to half the > amount > > that would kill you; would you want to do that? > > > > Your Clown Loaches can easily take temperatures to at least 92 o > and > > a bit more. I'm not certain about the Bronze Catfish as to whether > > it would take 90 o or more. I don't believe many Tetras would be > > comfortable that high, but surely all should be fine at 86 o. > > > > BTW, what size tank do you have these fish in? Note that, although > > Clown Loaches grow comparatively slowly, they can attain a length > of > > about 12" in captivity so you'll have to consider their future > needs > > sooner rather than later. If your fish store is agreeable, maybe > you > > could make arrangements when the time comes, to trade the Clowns in > > for smaller specimens but not in cold weather -- which would invite > > Ich for them as they're particularly susceptible to the stress of > > chilling. Keep us posted. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > > > raising the temp won't hurt the fish if it is too high? I didn't > > add > > > that much salt to the tank. Thanks for letting me know about the > > > kosher salt, I forgot about that that I don't need sea salt. > Dose > > > any of the medicines you see at the store work? Last time it just > > > changed the water blue and they didn't get better. This was about > 3 > > > years ago when the tank had this problem. I just added plants > and > > > some new fish also. Everything looked good until now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom, Changing out water will aid in reducing any additional > > stress > > > to > > > > a minimum, if your water is testing high in ammonia and/or > > nitrite, > > > but > > > > PWC's in themselves will do nothing towards curing the Ich. > You > > do > > > > want to test your water parameters though, to ensure it's of > good > > > > quality. While some salt is beneficial in treating Ich, I hope > > > you've > > > > been measuring the sea salt you've been adding, so as to know > the > > > > amount of it you now have in the tank, rather than just adding > it > > > > indiscrimately. Most of your fish are sensitive to too much > salt. > > > > > > > > The token amount of salt needed with treatment of Ich, > especially > > > withb > > > > the species you have, is 1 Tbs per 5 gallons. I would tell you > > > that > > > > you don't need to buy special "aquarium salt," as plain table > > salt > > > > (such as Kosher salt) will do just as well, but I see you > already > > > have > > > > the aquarium salt on hand. > > > > > > > > After ensuring this amount of salt, raise the temperature to 86 > o > > > F, > > > > and keep it there until two additional days after seeing no > more > > > signs > > > > of Ich. This may take up to 10 days or so, although it can > > vary. > > > > Additional aeration is helpful, not only to ensure adequate > > oxygen > > > > levels (although with a properly stocked tank, this should not > be > > a > > > > concern), but this will make it more difficult for the new Ich > > > theronts > > > > to find a host (fish). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "tom" <blokmot@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have tetras, clown loaches, bronze catfish and all of them > > have > > > ick > > > > I > > > > > have been changing the water and putting sea salt in. Anybody > > > have > > > > any > > > > > ideas on how to cure the fish. I don't want to lose them. My > > > > daughter > > > > > has down syndrome and she loves them especially the catfish. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37237	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Hi Amber - I just sent thru an answer to Lenny. It is less than 24 hours since I added the media. Do you both think I should add more fish????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > Does your tap water have ammonia in it? > If you have the established filter media and plants in the tank you're > going to want to feed the tank ammonia until you put fish into the tank, > as your bacteria will start to die in about 24 hours... If your tank was > running for 3 days with the filter and no fish, then the bacteria might > have already started to die off. The bacteria needs ammonia and nitrites > to survive, without any they will quickly die off. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I >> put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the >> established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple >> of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to >> read >> that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are >> fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish >> immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I >> misunderstand? >> >> Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? >> >> Thanks again. >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

You're going to want to start cleaning the gravel and doing water changes weekly, not to mention the filter cleaning should be weekly. Ich attaches to fish that are already stressed or sickly first (slime coat is worn down), so if you keep your tank really clean you're less likely to get sick fish. Besides, they could be swimming around in "poo" water for 2 extra weeks, your filter by that time could start flushing the "poo" back into the tank as it starts to break down into liquid form. Forgive my non-technical terms, LOL. Also I would recommend rehoming either your pleco or your loaches in the near future, as that is a huge bioload on that tank, just for those bigger fish. Your pleco by itself should be in a BIG tank (3 times the size, or bigger, than the tank you have now) they produce a lot of waste and will dirty your tank up faster than ALL of the other fish combined. Sounds like you have a "common" pleco that can get around a foot long too. How big are your loaches right now? They might be okay to keep for a little while longer, but they will definitely need a big tank in the near future. You might try to trade them in for smaller loaches, such as yoyo loaches, with your local fish store, but wait until you get the fish healthy first, LOL. Amber tom wrote: > > > Hey Ray & William thanks for all the info. The tank I have is a 38 > gallon tank I have about 25 fish. Small neons to the clown loaches and > one pleck. The pleck being the largest 5". I have several plants and > some other decor, there is also about 30 pounds of gravel in it as > well. I'll keep adding the salt but not to much. I also have the > stress ease med I don't think that will help though. I know I don't > that it can still show up. I thought it wouldn't because I change the > water, about 1/4 of the tank, around every 3 weeks and I add sea salt > as well. Little did I know that it can still show up. > > Tom > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37239	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Have you added any fish at all? If all the nitrite/nitrate is 0 and your pH is where it normally is in the other tank then you could try adding just a couple fish and keep a good watch on the ammonia to see if it's fluctuating at all. Did you put tank water into this new tank, or did you use tap water? Also if you used tap water, did you use a dechlor product? such as stress coat, or prime? As Lenny said, tap water would have possibly killed off the bacteria if you didn't use a dechlor product, and that could be why you have ammonia in the tank right now. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Hi Amber - I just sent thru an answer to Lenny. It is less than 24 hours > since I added the media. Do you both think I should add more fish????? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > > Does your tap water have ammonia in it? > > If you have the established filter media and plants in the tank you're > > going to want to feed the tank ammonia until you put fish into the tank, > > as your bacteria will start to die in about 24 hours... If your tank was > > running for 3 days with the filter and no fish, then the bacteria might > > have already started to die off. The bacteria needs ammonia and nitrites > > to survive, without any they will quickly die off. > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 > days. I > >> put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > >> established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a > couple > >> of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to > >> read > >> that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other > parameters are > >> fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > >> immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > >> misunderstand? > >> > >> Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > >> > >> Thanks again. > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37240	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: help

You do not say what sizes your fish are but you might be3 slightly overcrowded or will be in the future. When you go so long between water changes the water will change and then you do a water change which may be drastically different and cause the fish to be stressed. Stressed fish have lower resistance to diseases. I would start doing weekly water changes to help keep the fish in better health. And when you do a water change make sure to vac the gravel to help pick up any diseases that may be lurking in there. No one is sure if ick can live in an aquarium without a host or if it has to be brought n from outside the tank to infect the fish but why have doubts and act as though it does stay n the tank. Another stress that people do not think about is nutrition, you want to feed a variety of foods and not just one food because no one food contains everything that your fish need (and different fish need different diets) so that if you feed a variety of foods then what one lacks then the others will hopefully make up in. You may be accumulating salt more than is necessary because salt does not evaporate. When you do a water change you might be adding too much (the amount needed for the water that is being put in plus the amount for the water that has evaporated. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <blokmot@...> wrote: > > > Hey Ray & William thanks for all the info. The tank I have is a 38 > gallon tank I have about 25 fish. Small neons to the clown loaches and > one pleck. The pleck being the largest 5". I have several plants and > some other decor, there is also about 30 pounds of gravel in it as > well. I'll keep adding the salt but not to much. I also have the > stress ease med I don't think that will help though. I know I don't > that it can still show up. I thought it wouldn't because I change the > water, about 1/4 of the tank, around every 3 weeks and I add sea salt > as well. Little did I know that it can still show up. > > Tom >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37241	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies for that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly washed new gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter media from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old media for less than 24 hours. OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that was the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling again. Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water was in. I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I only have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? Thanks for the advice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. Which brand test kit? Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were those test results? I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it would have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or gravel would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for those levels as well. Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new tank, transferring the media, etc. Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply about what you did and the timeline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I misunderstand? Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? Thanks again. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37242	From: Debra Melton	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

Lenny: Right on, right on, right on! You are my favorite catfish. If you would like to move to Mississippi and run for public office you have my vote. Deb Ocean Springs, MS My flood insurance went from $200 a year before Katrina to $3000! Of course we flooded so I guess they need to make up what they paid out!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Ahh now I see the post you said you sent to Lenny, thought I had missed it. You can disregard any questions that you already answered for Lenny then, LOL I would keep an eye on your ammonia level and see if it goes up a lot in a short time frame. 2 guppies shouldn't be too much for your bacteria if you happened to lose any in the last several hours. Just keep an eye on things and if the ammonia goes up without going down at all, then do a PWC to get it down again. If the tank seems to be cycling too much (like a brand new tank), then try taking a decoration out of the other tank and put it into the new one for a week or so, to help the bacteria grow faster. Just don't take too much out of the old tank if you have fish still in it, as that tank could do more than just a mini cycle, and you don't want 2 cycling tanks, LOL Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new > tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies > for > that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I > added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly > washed new > gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter > media > from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old > media > for less than 24 hours. > > OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no > ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same > time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my > established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that > was > the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the > established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen > in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling > again. > Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water > was > in. > > I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I > only > have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? > > Thanks for the advice. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good > to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. > > Which brand test kit? > > Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were > those test results? > > I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it > would > have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish > would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or > cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty > enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or > gravel > would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled > media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites > and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for > those > levels as well. > > Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new > tank, > transferring the media, etc. > > Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where > the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? > > I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply > about > what you did and the timeline. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I > put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple > of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read > that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are > fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > misunderstand? > > Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > > Thanks again. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37244	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

OK. If your tests for nitrites and nitrates were both 0.0ppm and your ammonia was 0.5ppm, then your tank is not cycling properly. Now lets figure out what went wrong. Oops.. I was answering as I read so now I see you have 0.0ppm for ammonia also. Since your filter media was "dirty", the decomposing detritus in the media should have been providing at least a little ammonia to keep it cycling properly and it takes a while for nitrates to build up so you should be OK. 24 hours is a long time to go without any ammonia but your dirty filter media probably provided enough to keep at least a portion of the N-bacteria alive. With only two guppies in a 10G, you will not be getting a lot of ammonia so keep an eye on it... maybe testing every day for the first few days, then every other day, until you see that you are keeping ammonia and nitrites at 0.0ppm and your nitrates start to climb. You keep the nitrates in check with regular PWC's and you want to keep them under 40ppm and even better if under 20ppm. Did you add the dechlor to the water before you started up the filtering with the dirty media? If yes, then you should be OK. If you were running the tank even for five minutes without dechlor, then the tap water would start to adversely affect your N-bacteria. Yes, I think the two you have should be fine as long as your ammonia and nitrites stay at 0.0ppm. Do you normally add salt to your guppy tanks? Many do, some don't, which is why I'm asking. If yes, the salt will protect against nitrite levels less than 1.0ppm. With your hard water and high pH, even 0.25ppm of ammonia will start to become toxic so it's very important to keep your tank properly cycled. While I don't think Prime is necessary in most cases, SeaChem's Prime, as your tap water dechlor, would be a good thing in your case since it will detoxify low levels of ammonia in the event you do get any. I think you and your fish are going to be OK. I started to ask you to retest before I went into my first reply but you seemed pretty certain it was 0.5ppm. Of course, you could have had a mini-cycle where you did get some ammonia one day and then the N-bacteria caught back up and ate it all up which is easy enough to do with that low level. A fully stocked and fully cycled tank with adequate filtration can easily handle 5.0ppm or more of ammonia each day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies for that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly washed new gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter media from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old media for less than 24 hours. OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that was the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling again. Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water was in. I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I only have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? Thanks for the advice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. Which brand test kit? Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were those test results? I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it would have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or gravel would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for those levels as well. Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new tank, transferring the media, etc. Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply about what you did and the timeline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I misunderstand? Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? Thanks again.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37245	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Oh, I see. I think you're not fully grasping that for these bacteria ammonia and nitrites are food, so all you ahve to do is keep feeding them ammonia. Or so I would think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37246	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lisa in Australia

LOL.. I hear that all the time going back many years.... my only concern is that all of the other politicians would be taking out contracts on me and my family... and no, I don't mean home improvement contracts! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Melton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Lisa in Australia Lenny: Right on, right on, right on! You are my favorite catfish. If you would like to move to Mississippi and run for public office you have my vote. Deb Ocean Springs, MS My flood insurance went from $200 a year before Katrina to $3000! Of course we flooded so I guess they need to make up what they paid out!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37247	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep adding ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I just let this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. It just stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because just yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours later, 0 ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the same speed as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I was at 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will check again in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or have to re-develop. When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a great deal about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to others... On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, they can > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good fishless cycling > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > without food > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is treated with > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a high PH. > on my tap water. > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 ppm and > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a couple of > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. Not sure > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the tank just > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was still 8 ppm > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still measures as it > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia is only > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that almost keeps > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. mark brought > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. I did not > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow and add > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again and see > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. Starting to > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria without food > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says > > wait > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening > > with your tank water. > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > > without food > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37248	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Which site said 18ppm? I've never seen that before. Now, you might be able to get to 18ppm per day by adding 4ppm every 5 hours and if the filtration and aeration is sufficient and there's enough N-bacteria to cycle that ammonia in just five hours, then add another 4ppm, etc. but every thing that I've seen and done shows that if it gets too much over 5ppm, there's a real good chance of it stalling the cycle. There's no reason to fishless cycle a tank up to 18ppm anyhow since a fully stocked tank only puts out 5ppm per day. There are some who severely overstock some aggressive African cichlid tanks to have so many fish crammed into the tank that any picked on fish can quickly disappear among the other fish but that's not something I would ever advocate as it would mean constant PWC's and tank/filter maintenance to keep the water in halfway decent shape. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep adding ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I just let this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. It just stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because just yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours later, 0 ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the same speed as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I was at 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will check again in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or have to re-develop. When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a great deal about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to others... On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, they can > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good fishless > cycling instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria without food > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is treated > with Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a high PH. > on my tap water. > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 ppm > and above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a couple > of dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. > Not sure I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to > the tank just before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it > was still 8 ppm when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite > still measures as it did before. This tells me that the bacteria that > removes ammonia is only handles so much and that I have nitrite > handling bacteria that almost keeps up. In fact today it seemed closer > than yesterday. The 5 min. mark brought it to a greener color than > clear, and that is a blue green color. I did not add any ammonia today > as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow and add more. Think it is > time I start to measure the amount added again and see what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. Starting to > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Ransome" > > <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria without food > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine > > says wait > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just > > a little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple > > at all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be > > happening with your tank water. > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria without food > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am > > almost done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end > > up with 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. > > When I test pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put > > in the regent, and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water > > the regent goes purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. > > It is almost clear > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, > > or is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I > > thought they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. > > of 70+ F water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 > > hour trip to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37249	From: William	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and take care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can put in is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the bacteria grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With the fishless cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to about 4 PPM. If you have used gravel from an established tank or filter cartridges from an established tank in your new tank or even any other solid objects from an established tank in your new tank they will have the good bacteria to help jump start the cycling process. In theory if you added enough of the right kinds of bacteria to a new tank it could become instantly cycled but that is not practical in every case. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep adding > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I just let > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. It just > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because just > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours later, 0 > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the same speed > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I was at > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will check again > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or have to > re-develop. > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a great deal > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to others... > > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, they can > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good fishless cycling > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > > without food > > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is treated with > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a high PH. > > on my tap water. > > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 ppm and > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a couple of > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. Not sure > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the tank just > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was still 8 ppm > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still measures as it > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia is only > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that almost keeps > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. mark brought > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. I did not > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow and add > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again and see > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. Starting to > > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be positive > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! It is > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising levels of > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've seen > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter products I > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. High > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom levels, > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the tank, yes. > > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > > bacteria without food > > > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. Mine says > > > wait > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is just a > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No purple at > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be happening > > > with your tank water. > > > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours absolutely > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more significant. > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria > > > without food > > > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am almost > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end up with > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I test > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the regent, > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent goes > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is almost clear > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns green. > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap water, or > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be close... > > > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how long > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to change > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I thought > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of 70+ F > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 hour trip > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and add. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37250	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question

Amber and Lenny - I started setting up the tank on Sunday. Put in substrate, artificial plants, water, heater and filter. I put in the clean media that came with the tank to help clear it up. I put the declor in at that time. I let it run so I could test the thermometer and get to the right temperature. The next day (yesterday) about 3ish, I pulled out the clean media and put in the dirty one. I was planning on getting two female guppies early this morning, but got distracted by "life". After reading your replies, I added two of my male guppies. So I will keep an eye on it as you suggested and I very much appreciate the help. It is good to know when I have a problem or just a question from inexperience I can get a quick answer here. My fish appreciate it too!!!! Thanks to all!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question OK. If your tests for nitrites and nitrates were both 0.0ppm and your ammonia was 0.5ppm, then your tank is not cycling properly. Now lets figure out what went wrong. Oops.. I was answering as I read so now I see you have 0.0ppm for ammonia also. Since your filter media was "dirty", the decomposing detritus in the media should have been providing at least a little ammonia to keep it cycling properly and it takes a while for nitrates to build up so you should be OK. 24 hours is a long time to go without any ammonia but your dirty filter media probably provided enough to keep at least a portion of the N-bacteria alive. With only two guppies in a 10G, you will not be getting a lot of ammonia so keep an eye on it... maybe testing every day for the first few days, then every other day, until you see that you are keeping ammonia and nitrites at 0.0ppm and your nitrates start to climb. You keep the nitrates in check with regular PWC's and you want to keep them under 40ppm and even better if under 20ppm. Did you add the dechlor to the water before you started up the filtering with the dirty media? If yes, then you should be OK. If you were running the tank even for five minutes without dechlor, then the tap water would start to adversely affect your N-bacteria. Yes, I think the two you have should be fine as long as your ammonia and nitrites stay at 0.0ppm. Do you normally add salt to your guppy tanks? Many do, some don't, which is why I'm asking. If yes, the salt will protect against nitrite levels less than 1.0ppm. With your hard water and high pH, even 0.25ppm of ammonia will start to become toxic so it's very important to keep your tank properly cycled. While I don't think Prime is necessary in most cases, SeaChem's Prime, as your tap water dechlor, would be a good thing in your case since it will detoxify low levels of ammonia in the event you do get any. I think you and your fish are going to be OK. I started to ask you to retest before I went into my first reply but you seemed pretty certain it was 0.5ppm. Of course, you could have had a mini-cycle where you did get some ammonia one day and then the N-bacteria caught back up and ate it all up which is easy enough to do with that low level. A fully stocked and fully cycled tank with adequate filtration can easily handle 5.0ppm or more of ammonia each day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies for that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly washed new gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter media from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old media for less than 24 hours. OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that was the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling again. Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water was in. I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I only have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? Thanks for the advice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. Which brand test kit? Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were those test results? I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it would have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or gravel would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for those levels as well. Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new tank, transferring the media, etc. Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply about what you did and the timeline. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I misunderstand? Why do I have ammonia? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37251	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I hadn't seen them till I moved to northeast Florida; my local Walmart doesn't have them. My husband (a science teacher) tells me that such baby sharks are mostly dogfish sharks, which travel in schools and are the most common of the sharks. He said the babies are usually taken in embryonic form from the mother. Then there are the Asians, especially Japanese, who consider shark fin soup (any species) to be a delicacy -- not shark meat, but just the fins. This means they catch the shark, cut off its fins, and throw the shark back into the water. With no fins, the shark drowns or is prey for others. And that makes me sick. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > have none of you guys ever seen these before? they sell them in > biloxi as well, they are dead preserved sharks. the same way they > have dead preserved frogs, rats and cats and sharks for science class > yes i have seen all done in school and did two of them, but i am > still supprised none of you have seen them when i saw them when i was > very little, probably before i even ever owned a little goldfish in a > bowl > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > wrote: > > > > Not much room to breathe - they're dead? Or just cramped? It > says > > Florida souvenirs! > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:16 PM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > > > I saw it in walmart as it stated below and yes i took the picture > with > > my cell phone > > > > here's a link from aquatic photos > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/recent/1032787372/vie > w > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> > wrote: > > > > > > Greychildren, did you personally see this? > > > Did you personally take the photo? > > > And where exactly is it in the photos section? > > > > > > Lenny, what in the world would they have culled it from - they > were > > trying > > > to raise cute adult sharks? I think the point is it sounds like > > they're > > > being sold in little cups of blue water like betttas are. > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "greychildren" <greychildren@> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > > > > > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ldw3312@" <LDW3312@> wrote: > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > > > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this > blue > > > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was > fill > > > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of > the > > > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture > with my > > > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and > get > > > > your opinion on it. > > > > > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the > > SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37252	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi

Good news is that Guppies are pretty hardy fish, and they should easily acclimate to any changes from your other tank to this new tank (such as there being no nitrates, which can shock some sensitive fish if they go to a fully stocked tank with nitrates from a tank with no nitrates, or vise versa). I have a 10 gallon tank full of fry right now, a few are older fry just now showing color, the rest are still fairly small still. I'm waiting to see what my male/female ratio is on the guppy fry, LOL. I want to add the new ones to my big tank, but I'm waiting for them to get just a little bigger. How young can female guppies get pregnant? I have a couple of fry that are just now showing gender/colors and I'm pretty sure they are females, but I don't want to have them popping out more babies before I put them in the big tank ;) Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Amber and Lenny - I started setting up the tank on Sunday. Put in > substrate, artificial plants, water, heater and filter. I put in the > clean > media that came with the tank to help clear it up. I put the declor in at > that time. I let it run so I could test the thermometer and get to the > right temperature. The next day (yesterday) about 3ish, I pulled out the > clean media and put in the dirty one. I was planning on getting two > female > guppies early this morning, but got distracted by "life". After reading > your replies, I added two of my male guppies. > > So I will keep an eye on it as you suggested and I very much > appreciate the > help. It is good to know when I have a problem or just a question from > inexperience I can get a quick answer here. My fish appreciate it too!!!! > > Thanks to all!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > OK. If your tests for nitrites and nitrates were both 0.0ppm and your > ammonia was 0.5ppm, then your tank is not cycling properly. Now lets > figure > out what went wrong. > > Oops.. I was answering as I read so now I see you have 0.0ppm for ammonia > also. Since your filter media was "dirty", the decomposing detritus in the > media should have been providing at least a little ammonia to keep it > cycling properly and it takes a while for nitrates to build up so you > should > be OK. 24 hours is a long time to go without any ammonia but your dirty > filter media probably provided enough to keep at least a portion of the > N-bacteria alive. With only two guppies in a 10G, you will not be > getting a > lot of ammonia so keep an eye on it... maybe testing every day for the > first > few days, then every other day, until you see that you are keeping ammonia > and nitrites at 0.0ppm and your nitrates start to climb. You keep the > nitrates in check with regular PWC's and you want to keep them under 40ppm > and even better if under 20ppm. > > Did you add the dechlor to the water before you started up the filtering > with the dirty media? If yes, then you should be OK. If you were running > the tank even for five minutes without dechlor, then the tap water would > start to adversely affect your N-bacteria. > > Yes, I think the two you have should be fine as long as your ammonia and > nitrites stay at 0.0ppm. Do you normally add salt to your guppy tanks? > Many do, some don't, which is why I'm asking. If yes, the salt will > protect > against nitrite levels less than 1.0ppm. With your hard water and high pH, > even 0.25ppm of ammonia will start to become toxic so it's very > important to > keep your tank properly cycled. While I don't think Prime is necessary in > most cases, SeaChem's Prime, as your tap water dechlor, would be a good > thing in your case since it will detoxify low levels of ammonia in the > event > you do get any. > > I think you and your fish are going to be OK. I started to ask you to > retest before I went into my first reply but you seemed pretty certain it > was 0.5ppm. Of course, you could have had a mini-cycle where you did get > some ammonia one day and then the N-bacteria caught back up and ate it all > up which is easy enough to do with that low level. A fully stocked and > fully cycled tank with adequate filtration can easily handle 5.0ppm or > more > of ammonia each day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new > tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies for > that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I > added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly > washed new > gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter media > from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old media > for less than 24 hours. > > OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no > ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same > time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my > established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that was > the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the > established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen > in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling > again. > > Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water was > in. > > I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I only > have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? > > Thanks for the advice. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good > to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. > > Which brand test kit? > > Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What were > those test results? > > I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it > would > have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without fish > would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or > cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty > enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or > gravel > would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled > media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into nitrites > and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for > those > levels as well. > > Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new > tank, > transferring the media, etc. > > Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product where > the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? > > I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply > about > what you did and the timeline. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > > Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I > put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple > of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to read > that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are > fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > misunderstand? > > Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > > Thanks again. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37253	From: onelvlady	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi

Amber, what do you feed your fry? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppies) > Good news is that Guppies are pretty hardy fish, and they should easily > acclimate to any changes from your other tank to this new tank (such as > there being no nitrates, which can shock some sensitive fish if they go > to a fully stocked tank with nitrates from a tank with no nitrates, or > vise versa). I have a 10 gallon tank full of fry right now, a few are > older fry just now showing color, the rest are still fairly small still. > I'm waiting to see what my male/female ratio is on the guppy fry, LOL. I > want to add the new ones to my big tank, but I'm waiting for them to get > just a little bigger. > How young can female guppies get pregnant? > I have a couple of fry that are just now showing gender/colors and I'm > pretty sure they are females, but I don't want to have them popping out > more babies before I put them in the big tank ;) > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Amber and Lenny - I started setting up the tank on Sunday. Put in >> substrate, artificial plants, water, heater and filter. I put in the >> clean >> media that came with the tank to help clear it up. I put the declor in at >> that time. I let it run so I could test the thermometer and get to the >> right temperature. The next day (yesterday) about 3ish, I pulled out the >> clean media and put in the dirty one. I was planning on getting two >> female >> guppies early this morning, but got distracted by "life". After reading >> your replies, I added two of my male guppies. >> >> So I will keep an eye on it as you suggested and I very much >> appreciate the >> help. It is good to know when I have a problem or just a question from >> inexperience I can get a quick answer here. My fish appreciate it too!!!! >> >> Thanks to all!!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question >> >> OK. If your tests for nitrites and nitrates were both 0.0ppm and your >> ammonia was 0.5ppm, then your tank is not cycling properly. Now lets >> figure >> out what went wrong. >> >> Oops.. I was answering as I read so now I see you have 0.0ppm for ammonia >> also. Since your filter media was "dirty", the decomposing detritus in >> the >> media should have been providing at least a little ammonia to keep it >> cycling properly and it takes a while for nitrates to build up so you >> should >> be OK. 24 hours is a long time to go without any ammonia but your dirty >> filter media probably provided enough to keep at least a portion of the >> N-bacteria alive. With only two guppies in a 10G, you will not be >> getting a >> lot of ammonia so keep an eye on it... maybe testing every day for the >> first >> few days, then every other day, until you see that you are keeping >> ammonia >> and nitrites at 0.0ppm and your nitrates start to climb. You keep the >> nitrates in check with regular PWC's and you want to keep them under >> 40ppm >> and even better if under 20ppm. >> >> Did you add the dechlor to the water before you started up the filtering >> with the dirty media? If yes, then you should be OK. If you were running >> the tank even for five minutes without dechlor, then the tap water would >> start to adversely affect your N-bacteria. >> >> Yes, I think the two you have should be fine as long as your ammonia and >> nitrites stay at 0.0ppm. Do you normally add salt to your guppy tanks? >> Many do, some don't, which is why I'm asking. If yes, the salt will >> protect >> against nitrite levels less than 1.0ppm. With your hard water and high >> pH, >> even 0.25ppm of ammonia will start to become toxic so it's very >> important to >> keep your tank properly cycled. While I don't think Prime is necessary in >> most cases, SeaChem's Prime, as your tap water dechlor, would be a good >> thing in your case since it will detoxify low levels of ammonia in the >> event >> you do get any. >> >> I think you and your fish are going to be OK. I started to ask you to >> retest before I went into my first reply but you seemed pretty certain it >> was 0.5ppm. Of course, you could have had a mini-cycle where you did get >> some ammonia one day and then the N-bacteria caught back up and ate it >> all >> up which is easy enough to do with that low level. A fully stocked and >> fully cycled tank with adequate filtration can easily handle 5.0ppm or >> more >> of ammonia each day. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of onelvlady >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:50 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question >> >> Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new >> tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies >> for >> that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I >> added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly >> washed new >> gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter >> media >> from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old >> media >> for less than 24 hours. >> >> OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no >> ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at the same >> time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my >> established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that >> was >> the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the >> established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that happen >> in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling >> again. >> >> Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water >> was >> in. >> >> I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I >> only >> have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? >> >> Thanks for the advice. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question >> >> What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would be good >> to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. >> >> Which brand test kit? >> >> Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What >> were >> those test results? >> >> I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it >> would >> have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without >> fish >> would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or >> cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still dirty >> enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or >> gravel >> would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the cycled >> media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into >> nitrites >> and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for >> those >> levels as well. >> >> Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new >> tank, >> transferring the media, etc. >> >> Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product >> where >> the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? >> >> I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply >> about >> what you did and the timeline. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of onelvlady >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question >> >> Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 days. I >> put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the >> established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a couple >> of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to >> read >> that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other parameters are >> fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish >> immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I >> misunderstand? >> >> Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? >> >> Thanks again. >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37254	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question (and a new question about juvenile guppi

I grind up the flakes in my hand, and I also feed them decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, which they seem to love. I use omega one flakes. I would feed them other stuff but the selection at my LFS for foods doesn't have anything for fry. So I would have to have a brine shrimp hatchery or some other sort of set up going. I haven't gone to that point yet, as I'm not sure I'm going to keep any more guppy fry after this batch. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Amber, what do you feed your fry? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question (and a new question > about > juvenile guppies) > > > Good news is that Guppies are pretty hardy fish, and they should easily > > acclimate to any changes from your other tank to this new tank (such as > > there being no nitrates, which can shock some sensitive fish if they go > > to a fully stocked tank with nitrates from a tank with no nitrates, or > > vise versa). I have a 10 gallon tank full of fry right now, a few are > > older fry just now showing color, the rest are still fairly small still. > > I'm waiting to see what my male/female ratio is on the guppy fry, LOL. I > > want to add the new ones to my big tank, but I'm waiting for them to get > > just a little bigger. > > How young can female guppies get pregnant? > > I have a couple of fry that are just now showing gender/colors and I'm > > pretty sure they are females, but I don't want to have them popping out > > more babies before I put them in the big tank ;) > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Amber and Lenny - I started setting up the tank on Sunday. Put in > >> substrate, artificial plants, water, heater and filter. I put in the > >> clean > >> media that came with the tank to help clear it up. I put the declor > in at > >> that time. I let it run so I could test the thermometer and get to the > >> right temperature. The next day (yesterday) about 3ish, I pulled > out the > >> clean media and put in the dirty one. I was planning on getting two > >> female > >> guppies early this morning, but got distracted by "life". After reading > >> your replies, I added two of my male guppies. > >> > >> So I will keep an eye on it as you suggested and I very much > >> appreciate the > >> help. It is good to know when I have a problem or just a question from > >> inexperience I can get a quick answer here. My fish appreciate it > too!!!! > >> > >> Thanks to all!!!! > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 PM > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > >> > >> OK. If your tests for nitrites and nitrates were both 0.0ppm and your > >> ammonia was 0.5ppm, then your tank is not cycling properly. Now lets > >> figure > >> out what went wrong. > >> > >> Oops.. I was answering as I read so now I see you have 0.0ppm for > ammonia > >> also. Since your filter media was "dirty", the decomposing detritus in > >> the > >> media should have been providing at least a little ammonia to keep it > >> cycling properly and it takes a while for nitrates to build up so you > >> should > >> be OK. 24 hours is a long time to go without any ammonia but your dirty > >> filter media probably provided enough to keep at least a portion of the > >> N-bacteria alive. With only two guppies in a 10G, you will not be > >> getting a > >> lot of ammonia so keep an eye on it... maybe testing every day for the > >> first > >> few days, then every other day, until you see that you are keeping > >> ammonia > >> and nitrites at 0.0ppm and your nitrates start to climb. You keep the > >> nitrates in check with regular PWC's and you want to keep them under > >> 40ppm > >> and even better if under 20ppm. > >> > >> Did you add the dechlor to the water before you started up the > filtering > >> with the dirty media? If yes, then you should be OK. If you were > running > >> the tank even for five minutes without dechlor, then the tap water > would > >> start to adversely affect your N-bacteria. > >> > >> Yes, I think the two you have should be fine as long as your > ammonia and > >> nitrites stay at 0.0ppm. Do you normally add salt to your guppy tanks? > >> Many do, some don't, which is why I'm asking. If yes, the salt will > >> protect > >> against nitrite levels less than 1.0ppm. With your hard water and high > >> pH, > >> even 0.25ppm of ammonia will start to become toxic so it's very > >> important to > >> keep your tank properly cycled. While I don't think Prime is > necessary in > >> most cases, SeaChem's Prime, as your tap water dechlor, would be a good > >> thing in your case since it will detoxify low levels of ammonia in the > >> event > >> you do get any. > >> > >> I think you and your fish are going to be OK. I started to ask you to > >> retest before I went into my first reply but you seemed pretty > certain it > >> was 0.5ppm. Of course, you could have had a mini-cycle where you > did get > >> some ammonia one day and then the N-bacteria caught back up and ate it > >> all > >> up which is easy enough to do with that low level. A fully stocked and > >> fully cycled tank with adequate filtration can easily handle 5.0ppm or > >> more > >> of ammonia each day. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> Behalf Of onelvlady > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:50 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > >> > >> Lenny - no I did not test the water immediately upon setting up the new > >> tank. Very high PH and alkaline here in Las Vegas. I only keep guppies > >> for > >> that reason. Nitritates and Nitrates were zero Using Master Test Kit. I > >> added two artifical plants from the established tank; thoroughly > >> washed new > >> gravel upon set up and yesterday afternoon, I added the dirty filter > >> media > >> from the established tank. So the tank has been running with the old > >> media > >> for less than 24 hours. > >> > >> OK, I just retested and I feel the first test was wrong. Now showing no > >> ammonia. When you told me to add the fish and the dirty media at > the same > >> time, I didn't understand why. So now I have added two fish from my > >> established tank. Both are guppies and the tank is 10 gal. I hope that > >> was > >> the right thing to do. You said that my nitrifying bacteria from the > >> established tank would start dying off in the new tank. Would that > happen > >> in less than 24 hours? I sure don't want to go thru weeks of cycling > >> again. > >> > >> Oh I added one teaspoon of declor for the 10 gals as soon as the water > >> was > >> in. > >> > >> I got the second tank so I could raise my own guppy fry. Right now, I > >> only > >> have males. Do you think the two I put in the new tank will be OK? > >> > >> Thanks for the advice. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 AM > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > >> > >> What are you other test results for nitrite and nitrate? pH would > be good > >> to know also. Saying they are "fine" is not sufficient information. > >> > >> Which brand test kit? > >> > >> Did you test the water immediately upon setting up the new tank? What > >> were > >> those test results? > >> > >> I'm kind of surprised that you are showing ammonia also. Normally, it > >> would > >> have been best to add fish immediately since running the tank without > >> fish > >> would normally cause the nitrifying bacteria in the "established" (or > >> cycled) filter media to start dying off but if the media was still > dirty > >> enough or if you used dirty gravel, then the detritus in the media or > >> gravel > >> would continue to break down putting out some ammonia but then the > cycled > >> media in the filter should have been converting that ammonia into > >> nitrites > >> and then nitrates... which is why I want to know the test results for > >> those > >> levels as well. > >> > >> Give us more details about exactly what you did in setting up the new > >> tank, > >> transferring the media, etc. > >> > >> Did you fill the tank with tap water without using a dechlor product > >> where > >> the chlorinated tap water would have killed off your good bacteria? > >> > >> I have many other questions but I'll wait for your more detailed reply > >> about > >> what you did and the timeline. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> Behalf Of onelvlady > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:18 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another Newbie Question > >> > >> Hi - I set up my new tank and it has been running fishless for 3 > days. I > >> put in the established filter media and some of the plants from the > >> established tank as you all suggested. I was thinking of getting a > couple > >> of fish today so I decided to test the water. I was very surprised to > >> read > >> that I have ammonia at 0.5. I didn't expect any. All other > parameters are > >> fine. I thought I read that you all said it would be OK to add fish > >> immediately once the filter media was transferred over. Did I > >> misunderstand? > >> > >> Why do I have ammonia? Is it safe to add new fish? > >> > >> Thanks again. > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > >> You. > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37255	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

i never once said i wanted to turn a profit, i want fish because i love my fish, all i said was i want to breed soem of the ones i have, and possibly sell them if i can since i don't need to keep all of them, i just think it would be neet to have a mating pair and watch the miracle of life, and if my fish just happen to produce more fish that i might be able to sell to my lfs, which i know thye will buy them, even if i just get $10 for 20 of them that is a profit, i came out with an extra $10 because i would have spent the money on the fish weather they breed or not, i just want the possibility of having baby fish, you people take shit too seriously and take it too far to the extreme, i just asked which fish would be most likely to breed, as in, if i put one female peacock in a tank full of male peacocks will they kill each other to get to her, obviously they will try, how many females do i need to add to avoid my males from tearing each other apart, would i be better off adding females of other types like my electric blue or my steveni since i don't have competing males --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > It is very difficult to make a profit selling African cichlids. One problem > is they DO breed often and by the 100s and easily so prices are not high. > UNLESS you do something special, like grow out peacocks until they are fully > colored and sexable, or calvus until they are mature, paired and > breeding which takes several years per fish. > > > > You can break even if you work really hard, but profit will be elusive. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high success > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37256	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

and when it comes to supply and demend, there are certain fish that i demand but can never find, so they can't turn a profit off it, but i promise you that benga peacocks would sell a lot better than yellow labs even if they have tons of bengas, i wish my local store had more of the really pretty fish for me to buy, cuz then i could actually buy them! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > From others who have tried, as soon as you identify a "hot" fish, buy some > and get them breeding, the supply has gone up, and demand has gone down > (along with the prices). > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of William > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Courtland Jacob" > <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > that was not what i asked, and never once did i say i wanted the > > hobby to pay for itself, i love my cichlids and i have paid for > them > > myself, i just want to find a few that i might be able to get to > > breed and possibly sell the fry if i so choose, it's more for spare > > beer money, if i can get my benga to breed i'm sure i could get > > enough money from selling each birth (don't now what you call it > with > > fish, it's a clutch for reptiles) for a 6 pack > > > > In that case I would go to several pet shops and find out the fish > that cost the most and buy some of those to try to breed. If they are > high cost in the store then they should bring a good price when you > see them as long as there is a demand for them. You could also join > an aquarium club and find species that are not sold in pet shops that > you might be able to breed and sell to pet shops. Good luck and let > us know what kind of fish you decide on. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37257	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

Ok, Let's all just move on now. I think we ran this one into the ground. -Mike In a message dated 2/10/2009 9:35:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, courtland_jacob@... writes: i never once said i wanted to turn a profit, i want fish because i love my fish, all i said was i want to breed soem of the ones i have, and possibly sell them if i can since i don't need to keep all of **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37258	From: William	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

In your first post you did not mention what kind of cichlids that you have and that you wanted to try to breed them. You do not mention your set up of which would help us too make an informed decision as to which fish would be best to try and breed together in your circumstance. I assumed that you wished to know which cichlids that would be likely to breed for you and that you would be able to sell the babies for you beer money or what ever you wished to spend it on (many people use the babies to trade for aquarium supplies like food etc). I thought that yo were looking for fish to buy for this project. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > i never once said i wanted to turn a profit, i want fish because i > love my fish, all i said was i want to breed soem of the ones i have, > and possibly sell them if i can since i don't need to keep all of > them, i just think it would be neet to have a mating pair and watch > the miracle of life, and if my fish just happen to produce more fish > that i might be able to sell to my lfs, which i know thye will buy > them, even if i just get $10 for 20 of them that is a profit, i came > out with an extra $10 because i would have spent the money on the > fish weather they breed or not, i just want the possibility of having > baby fish, you people take shit too seriously and take it too far to > the extreme, i just asked which fish would be most likely to breed, > as in, if i put one female peacock in a tank full of male peacocks > will they kill each other to get to her, obviously they will try, how > many females do i need to add to avoid my males from tearing each > other apart, would i be better off adding females of other types like > my electric blue or my steveni since i don't have competing males > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > It is very difficult to make a profit selling African cichlids. > One problem > > is they DO breed often and by the 100s and easily so prices are not > high. > > UNLESS you do something special, like grow out peacocks until they > are fully > > colored and sexable, or calvus until they are mature, paired and > > breeding which takes several years per fish. > > > > > > > > You can break even if you work really hard, but profit will be > elusive. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high > success > > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37259	From: Anna-w/organic food	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads

We have a large tank that contains 4 firebellied toads.  Last night dh found a HUGE crawdad.  We have a seperation that we can put into the tank, but want to know if the 2 can tank together.  (I am aware that the toads are 'toxic' to many animals...not sure if they are toxic to crawdads.) Thanks for the help!!   Serving Him~ Anna Morgan, Indiana homeschooling mom to 5 beauties 16, 12, 7, 5 and 2 <><  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37260	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads

I wouldn't do it. I had a big bullfrog tadpole (6" long tadpole) that I was going to try raising as a kid and decided to put a crawfish (that's what we call them here in N'Awlins... or Mudbug's) and after about a week, one morning I woke up and all I had was a well fed crawfish and lots of pieces of tadpole laying around the tank. While the FB Toads may be toxic, the crawfish may not know that so you could end up with a dead toad and a dead crawfish. If you do decide to use the separator, make sure there is a T-bar on the top of the separator so the crawfish isn't able to climb over it. Crawfish mostly eat things that are laying around for them to find but they can also be nocturnal predators and will grab something if they can. You would be better off setting up a separate 10G tank for just the crawfish. Here's a few crawfish care sheets that I have in my favorites folder. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article40.html http://www.anapsid.org/crayfish.html http://crayfish.byu.edu/ (this is actually an extremely comprehensive site all about crawfish set up by BYU - Brigham Young University) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna-w/organic food Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads We have a large tank that contains 4 firebellied toads.  Last night dh found a HUGE crawdad.  We have a seperation that we can put into the tank, but want to know if the 2 can tank together.  (I am aware that the toads are 'toxic' to many animals...not sure if they are toxic to crawdads.) Thanks for the help!!   Serving Him~ Anna Morgan, Indiana homeschooling mom to 5 beauties 16, 12, 7, 5 and 2 <><

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37261	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Crawdad and Fire-bellied toads

Well they should be fine with the divider, however you should know that "crawdads" they are masters of escape, as well as very strong animals, so even with the divider they can, if determined enough,find a way to get over to your toads. Secondly, there is always a risk when mixing animals with crawdads. and I'm pretty sure that it cannot see the warning colors of the toads. So if it is toxic to them, you could end up with two dead animals. But, ther is hope, I once had a blue crayfish in a tank with other small tropical fish. for about 6 months, until the rams started to breed then there were issues. So it is possible but, is it worth the risk to you? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Anna-w/organic food <organic_foods_wkids@...> wrote: > > We have a large tank that contains 4 firebellied toads.  Last night dh found a HUGE crawdad.  We have a seperation that we can put into the tank, but want to know if the 2 can tank together.  (I am aware that the toads are 'toxic' to many animals...not sure if they are toxic to crawdads.) > Thanks for the help!! >   > Serving Him~ > Anna Morgan, Indiana > homeschooling mom to 5 beauties > 16, 12, 7, 5 and 2 > <><  > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37262	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Driftwood and Fresh Wood

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry for being slow to respond. My son just left from furlough to go back to Iraq this morning so time was a precious commodity. 8< 8< 8< 8< My "ironwood" grows wild in the northeast.I think the scientific name is Ostrya virginiana. 8< 8< 8< 8< Yes, this looks like our's, too. We live in Michigan. Sorry for any confusion. I'll forgo the temptation of using it though. Don't want to harm my fish. Thanks for the instruction on preparing my own driftwood. I'll be going that route. Loved the rock info, too. I'd been reading up on some different aquarists who were using the aquarium silicone to form their own rock formations/caves, etc. Very cool! Janet http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37263	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

How cool! Any tips on finding aquarium clubs in Michigan? I'm going to do a Google search but thought there may be a good resource I should know about. I could get lost at an auction like that! :) My husband can't take me anywhere without me finding a fish tank to glue myself to. LOL Janet We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37264	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Michigan Clubs (was:: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s)

Where are you in Michigan? Here's a link for Michigan groups from a search I did in December: http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1&r=34 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> How cool! Any tips on finding aquarium clubs in Michigan? I'm going to do a Google search but thought there may be a good resource I should know about. I could get lost at an auction like that! :) My husband can't take me anywhere without me finding a fish tank to glue myself to. LOL Janet We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37265	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

ROTFL Lenny!! Yes, that's my oto. :) I'll remember to note the scientific names into a log book from now on. I should keep an aquarium diary so I can keep things straight. Thanks for the link, I'll go check it out now. Love your blog, btw!! Janet Janet said: "(not to worry, the fist went into an established tank)." I hope your fist went in through the top and not through one of the sides. <G> What size tank did you buy? Do you know which species of Otocinclus that you bought? Probably Otocinclus affinis http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html but there are others available. It's important that whenever you buy a new fish, you get the scientific name from the seller as that will give you a little more assurance that you are getting what you think you are getting. There's still mistakes that will be made but just a family name leaves far too much risk of error. I'm not aware of any planted tank blueprint sites but I did find this one site with a fairly decent chronology and blueprint what this hobbyist did with a 55G tank. http://www.aquabotanic.com/chronology.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37266	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Thanks, Steve. I'll look that up with Google. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Szabo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s If you go to the Aquatic Gardeners site, you will find beautiful tanks along with a listing of the plants in the tank. I think some of the earlier contest years had blueprints, but I don't think they do it any longer. With the name of the plants, you can then look them up to determine what is what. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. > Ford > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger with a stand...) and some > fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist went into an established tank). > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list fishes were at the large > pet store I traveled two hours to go to. Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being > mentioned to me as good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that little > 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate light plants - hornwort. Not my > favorite but it's nice soft fishy cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a > bala shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or not. (also housing > my betta, so far so good!) > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I go about properly lighting a > tank so that I can properly care for a wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that > will be my main focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium and see a > few happy fish living in it. > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see tons of photos I love but they > don't document what type of plants are in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint > planted aquariums like garden plans? > > Janet Ford > ---- > How to Write for eHow > http://www.howtoehow.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37267	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g

Oops!!! Sorry, I forgot to answer the tank size question. It's just a 10g so now I have two 10g. Really, really need a bigger one! But I about lost my eye teeth on the prices of a new 55g not to mention the tank stands. Found a really neat looking 16g, bubble front with a tall black stand. Quite unique. Pedestal shaped thing. But $200. Almost went for it anyhow. It was on clearance. Now kick myself but really do want something bigger. Would have got a 20g but hubby didn't think my stand (rotating tv stand, not an aquarium stand) would take the extra weight. My 10g now houses babies. All quite tiny. I wonder how many I can leave in the 10g and how many I'll have to move to either my other 10g (empty) or into the new, larger tank when one presents itself to me as they get older. Betta (1.5") 5 neons 1 oto 3 rasbora hex's I have a back flow filter and a bubbler that stretches the entire length of the 10g. PS.. should the rasboras be in an equal number school? One of them decided he was a neon and schools with them instead 24/7. It's quite funny to see them lined up with Mr. Black Sheep of the family sticking out like a sore thumb. LOL John also says I should add salt to my tank. Yes? Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37268	From: bill1433	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Slang?

Lately there seems to be a great use of slang on the group and while many members may understand just exactly what and how, is being said I'm sure others do not.   To that end I thought some "old timers", that actually say or type what we mean, might find comfort in this link to translate those mysterious letter, i.e. LOL. Here's the link:  http://www.noslang.com/   For those wishing to delve further into this "new" method of communication and thus increase their Internet group skills there is also a slang dictionary tab included on the page.   Enjoy!   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37269	From: pam andress	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

You can also go to: http://kingfishservices.net/events.asp and look there. There is a nice auction coming up next month. Southwest Michigan Aquarium Society normally has great auctions and I'm planning on going. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: ford@... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s How cool! Any tips on finding aquarium clubs in Michigan? I'm going to do a Google search but thought there may be a good resource I should know about. I could get lost at an auction like that! :) My husband can't take me anywhere without me finding a fish tank to glue myself to. LOL Janet We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37270	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Michigan Clubs (was:: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s)

Thanks for the link. :) I'm in Irons. That is in the 'pinky' area of Michigan if looking at us as a mitten shape. About 1/2 way between Manistee and Ludington. Janet Where are you in Michigan? Here's a link for Michigan groups from a search I did in December: http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1&r=34 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37271	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Thanks, Pam. I just emailed them to ask for more info on where it's located and such. Maybe I'll attend as well. :) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: pam andress To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s You can also go to: http://kingfishservices.net/events.asp and look there. There is a nice auction coming up next month. Southwest Michigan Aquarium Society normally has great auctions and I'm planning on going. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: ford@... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s How cool! Any tips on finding aquarium clubs in Michigan? I'm going to do a Google search but thought there may be a good resource I should know about. I could get lost at an auction like that! :) My husband can't take me anywhere without me finding a fish tank to glue myself to. LOL Janet We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37272	From: William	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

We just had our annual auction and we went from 11 in the morning to after 8 in the evening. It was a very good time. Towards the last Waylen most of the people had left I picked up a pair of centrachus cichlids for a couple of bucks.I had only seen these in books. I will be at the convention in March because I am on the conservation committee and hope to have a very successful silent auction to raise money for the North American Conservation. It is just a way to help out different projects that foster conservation in the aquarium field. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Hey, how are you guys up there in the PVAS doing? I may see some at the NEC next month. > > \\Steve// > Now a member of the "Other" PVAS. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > William > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:43 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at the > > Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking > > for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good way to > > go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing their > > hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@> wrote: > > > > > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or larger > > with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist > > went into an established tank). > > > > > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish list > > fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. > > Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as > > good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that > > little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple moderate > > light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy > > cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala > > shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my group or > > not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) > > > > > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How do I > > go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for a > > wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my main > > focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium > > and see a few happy fish living in it. > > > > > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see > > tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants are > > in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted aquariums > > like garden plans? > > > > > > Janet Ford > > > ---- > > > How to Write for eHow > > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37273	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g

Walmart's sell a 55G complete kit for $135.00 (tank, filter, heater, lighting, misc.) and you could build a stand out of 2x4's (plans and photos on my blog) or even cinder blocks and 1x12's for a lower, middle and top shelf (for the tank) so the stand could be made for around $20.00. Used stuff is even cheaper but it's hard to beat a new 55G set up for less than the above prices. My DIY stand is MUCH sturdier than the cinderblock stand and I had plans to "finish" my stand in a country pine type finish but Katrina hit and I never got around to it so now I just have some home-made curtains covering the three sides, making it look likes it's a tablecloth with the tank on top of the table. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g Oops!!! Sorry, I forgot to answer the tank size question. It's just a 10g so now I have two 10g. Really, really need a bigger one! But I about lost my eye teeth on the prices of a new 55g not to mention the tank stands. Found a really neat looking 16g, bubble front with a tall black stand. Quite unique. Pedestal shaped thing. But $200. Almost went for it anyhow. It was on clearance. Now kick myself but really do want something bigger. Would have got a 20g but hubby didn't think my stand (rotating tv stand, not an aquarium stand) would take the extra weight. My 10g now houses babies. All quite tiny. I wonder how many I can leave in the 10g and how many I'll have to move to either my other 10g (empty) or into the new, larger tank when one presents itself to me as they get older. Betta (1.5") 5 neons 1 oto 3 rasbora hex's I have a back flow filter and a bubbler that stretches the entire length of the 10g. PS.. should the rasboras be in an equal number school? One of them decided he was a neon and schools with them instead 24/7. It's quite funny to see them lined up with Mr. Black Sheep of the family sticking out like a sore thumb. LOL John also says I should add salt to my tank. Yes? Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37274	From: Lisa	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Update on the Victorian bushfires

Hi all. Lenny asked me to keep you all posted every couple of days. It is my belief that although it is tragic about all the houses lost. Buildings and homes can be rebuilt . What can not be changed is the loss of life. And the emotional as well as physical scars that the survivors have to deal with. And the media's inability to give the people the chance to grieve in peace without cameras being shoved in their faces. Currently the death toll now stands at over 180 now Today we had milder weather conditions which aided the crews fighting the blazes The Gippsland fire is believed to be deliberately lit Wilson's promertary is under threat. 1,000 homes have been destroyed, and an estimated 330,000 hectares of land burned. http://au.news.yahoo.com/full-coverage/victorian-bushfires/- /5308184/victorian-bushfires/ For further information check out 7 new's coverage. I will be back in a couple of days with hopefully better news. Thanks again everyone for your continuing support and kind thoughts for the victims. Regards. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

wut slang r u talkn bout? <g> lol rotflmao brb cyal8r Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:36 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Slang? Lately there seems to be a great use of slang on the group and while many members may understand just exactly what and how, is being said I'm sure others do not.   To that end I thought some "old timers", that actually say or type what we mean, might find comfort in this link to translate those mysterious letter, i.e. LOL. Here's the link:  http://www.noslang.com/   For those wishing to delve further into this "new" method of communication and thus increase their Internet group skills there is also a slang dictionary tab included on the page.   Enjoy!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37276	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Ram Breeding

My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are doing it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37277	From: bill1433	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

I rest my case!   Bill --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Slang? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:38 PM wut slang r u talkn bout? <g> lol rotflmao brb cyal8r Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:36 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Slang? Lately there seems to be a great use of slang on the group and while many members may understand just exactly what and how, is being said I'm sure others do not.   To that end I thought some "old timers", that actually say or type what we mean, might find comfort in this link to translate those mysterious letter, i.e. LOL. Here's the link:  http://www.noslang. com/   For those wishing to delve further into this "new" method of communication and thus increase their Internet group skills there is also a slang dictionary tab included on the page.   Enjoy!   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37278	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

IMO one female in a male tank will be killed. Breeding to sell fry would be best accomplished in a species tank. Peacocks cross-breed quite readily, so even if you had 100 maleri females in a tank with one maleri male, one ngara and one baenschi male, you still would not know if the fry were pure maleri or hybrids. But your males would be happy, LOL! Are the Electric Blue (Fryeri?) and Steveni in the same tank with the male peacocks? I know Fryeri cross-breed just as readily with peacocks, don’t know about Steveni. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids i never once said i wanted to turn a profit, i want fish because i love my fish, all i said was i want to breed soem of the ones i have, and possibly sell them if i can since i don't need to keep all of them, i just think it would be neet to have a mating pair and watch the miracle of life, and if my fish just happen to produce more fish that i might be able to sell to my lfs, which i know thye will buy them, even if i just get $10 for 20 of them that is a profit, i came out with an extra $10 because i would have spent the money on the fish weather they breed or not, i just want the possibility of having baby fish, you people take shit too seriously and take it too far to the extreme, i just asked which fish would be most likely to breed, as in, if i put one female peacock in a tank full of male peacocks will they kill each other to get to her, obviously they will try, how many females do i need to add to avoid my males from tearing each other apart, would i be better off adding females of other types like my electric blue or my steveni since i don't have competing males --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > It is very difficult to make a profit selling African cichlids. One problem > is they DO breed often and by the 100s and easily so prices are not high. > UNLESS you do something special, like grow out peacocks until they are fully > colored and sexable, or calvus until they are mature, paired and > breeding which takes several years per fish. > > > > You can break even if you work really hard, but profit will be elusive. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high success > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37279	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: breeding cichlids

IEO (in everybody's opinion), the lone female will be killed. This idea would not work for discouraging the males if they have a mind to kill each other -- which they may decide to do anyway, with or without the presence of the female(s) of the species. This part depends heavily on the tank size and its set up (rockwork, etc.). I haven't seen a size tank mentioned (unless I missed it), but except for extremely peaceful species like yellow Labs, in general the best minimum size tank to use is one of 36" in length. Enough rockwork that would provide at least one more cave than the number of fish often works well, although that's not an absolute. I fail to see the benefit of introducing Electric Blue and Steveni females into a tank full of male Peacocks, except for getting nothing but hybrid fry as a result of this. This will not dilute nor discourage any possible aggression between the males. Any type of cross-breeding cannot be discounted. It has been reported for a Peacock and an mbuna Labeotropheus trewavasae to have successfully bred. For best success in breeding most Haplochromine species, whether Tanganyika, Malawi, Victoria or other, one should not use a "tank- full" of any males, but (provided the tank is large enough, as outlined) use two males to 5 or 6 (or even 7) females -- of the SAME species; maximum 3 males (with 8 or more females) in a larger tank. Some breeders use just one pair -- with a see-through divider -- watching the pair as they become conditioned for spawning, and then remove the divider while keeping an eye on the male for excess aggression. After a successful spawning (hopefully), the breeder replaces the divider immediately -- and never leaves the tank unattended while the divider is out of place. This tank is never left for ANY length of time with the pair free to swim the entire tank at their will, it must be watched. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > IMO one female in a male tank will be killed. Breeding to sell fry would be > best accomplished in a species tank. Peacocks cross-breed quite readily, so > even if you had 100 maleri females in a tank with one maleri male, one ngara > and one baenschi male, you still would not know if the fry were pure maleri > or hybrids. But your males would be happy, LOL! > > > > Are the Electric Blue (Fryeri?) and Steveni in the same tank with the male > peacocks? I know Fryeri cross-breed just as readily with peacocks, don't > know about Steveni. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: breeding cichlids > > > > i never once said i wanted to turn a profit, i want fish because i > love my fish, all i said was i want to breed soem of the ones i have, > and possibly sell them if i can since i don't need to keep all of > them, i just think it would be neet to have a mating pair and watch > the miracle of life, and if my fish just happen to produce more fish > that i might be able to sell to my lfs, which i know thye will buy > them, even if i just get $10 for 20 of them that is a profit, i came > out with an extra $10 because i would have spent the money on the > fish weather they breed or not, i just want the possibility of having > baby fish, you people take shit too seriously and take it too far to > the extreme, i just asked which fish would be most likely to breed, > as in, if i put one female peacock in a tank full of male peacocks > will they kill each other to get to her, obviously they will try, how > many females do i need to add to avoid my males from tearing each > other apart, would i be better off adding females of other types like > my electric blue or my steveni since i don't have competing males > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > Donna Ransome <djransome@> > wrote: > > > > It is very difficult to make a profit selling African cichlids. > One problem > > is they DO breed often and by the 100s and easily so prices are not > high. > > UNLESS you do something special, like grow out peacocks until they > are fully > > colored and sexable, or calvus until they are mature, paired and > > breeding which takes several years per fish. > > > > > > > > You can break even if you work really hard, but profit will be > elusive. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] breeding cichlids > > > > > > > > does anyone who has experience breeding african cichlids have > > suggestions about which type would be easy to breed with a high > success > > rate, and possibly something that would breed often and sell high > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37280	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g

A few other places to look would be Freecycle, check out www.freecycle.org to see if there may be a group in your neck of the woods. See if there is any Craig's list activity in your area. Also, you have the classified ads and the classified flyers that may be in your area as well. When looking at used tanks, be careful. Try to see the tank full of water, if possible, that should let you know if there are any leaks. Keep away from tanks that have housed animals other than fish or other aquatic life. Watch the pricing--too many people now think they can get full price for used equipment. (Note that freecycle is free, as the name implies, but it is still imperative you follow the rules outlined above.) Clean tanks are better, but don't let a dirty tank dissuade you as they can be cleaned (ask Amber about her 125). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. > Ford > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s = now new 10g > > Oops!!! > Sorry, I forgot to answer the tank size question. > It's just a 10g so now I have two 10g. Really, really need a bigger one! But I about lost my eye > teeth on the prices of a new 55g not to mention the tank stands. > Found a really neat looking 16g, bubble front with a tall black stand. Quite unique. Pedestal > shaped thing. But $200. Almost went for it anyhow. It was on clearance. Now kick myself but > really do want something bigger. Would have got a 20g but hubby didn't think my stand > (rotating tv stand, not an aquarium stand) would take the extra weight. > > My 10g now houses babies. All quite tiny. I wonder how many I can leave in the 10g and how > many I'll have to move to either my other 10g (empty) or into the new, larger tank when one > presents itself to me as they get older. > > Betta (1.5") > 5 neons > 1 oto > 3 rasbora hex's > > I have a back flow filter and a bubbler that stretches the entire length of the 10g. > > PS.. should the rasboras be in an equal number school? One of them decided he was a neon > and schools with them instead 24/7. It's quite funny to see them lined up with Mr. Black > Sheep of the family sticking out like a sore thumb. LOL > > John also says I should add salt to my tank. Yes? > > Janet >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37281	From: N Taweel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: To return home, or not?

Hi, My adult male Angelfish has been in the quarantine 6G tank for a month, in salty water (1 tbs/5 gallons). The diseace was something like pop-eye, the left eye popped out and something white came out (a 1mm tube, not moving, doesn't seem like a worm or anything alife, but more like a tissue). Then everything sealed and the eye is still popped and not changing at all since at least two weeks now. Otherwise he's doing fine, eating an moving normally. I started reducing the salt concentration with each PWC, to reach a 0 level soon. Do you think it's safe to take the Angelfish back home, to the 20 G community tank now? Thanks! Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37282	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

The eggs may have not been fertile. They are probably still young and despite brooding a clutch in the other tank, they may not have gotten the hang of it quite yet. They may have somehow been disturbed, and felt it better to eat the eggs than to protect them. Just a few guesses. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Keymel > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ram Breeding > > My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem > to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they > would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank > when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are > doing it. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37283	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. Was it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near you. Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, you may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, use either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi, > My adult male Angelfish has been in the quarantine 6G tank for a month, in salty water (1 tbs/5 gallons). The diseace was something like pop-eye, the left eye popped out and something white came out (a 1mm tube, not moving, doesn't seem like a worm or anything alife, but more like a tissue). Then everything sealed and the eye is still popped and not changing at all since at least two weeks now. > > Otherwise he's doing fine, eating an moving normally. > > I started reducing the salt concentration with each PWC, to reach a 0 level soon. > > Do you think it's safe to take the Angelfish back home, to the 20 G community tank now? > > Thanks! > Noura > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37284	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Ray, I believe she did come here with the problem. She is the person from Syria where a lot of fish, equipment, drugs, etc. that we take for granted are hard to find or non-existent. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: To return home, or not? > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. Was > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near you. > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, you > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, use > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > My adult male Angelfish has been in the quarantine 6G tank for a > month, in salty water (1 tbs/5 gallons). The diseace was something > like pop-eye, the left eye popped out and something white came out (a > 1mm tube, not moving, doesn't seem like a worm or anything alife, but > more like a tissue). Then everything sealed and the eye is still > popped and not changing at all since at least two weeks now. > > > > Otherwise he's doing fine, eating an moving normally. > > > > I started reducing the salt concentration with each PWC, to reach a > 0 level soon. > > > > Do you think it's safe to take the Angelfish back home, to the 20 G > community tank now? > > > > Thanks! > > Noura > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37285	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

\\Steve//, yes, thanks -- I did recognize Noura as our member from Syria -- which is why I let her know that I realized that she has a hard time obtaining many aquarium medications. I can't believe someone here suggested using plain table salt for Pop-Eye and at a strength only good enough to make it difficult for Ich, not that a stronger solution would matter much in this case anyway. I guess that's one that we let slip by. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > I believe she did come here with the problem. She is the person from > Syria where a lot of fish, equipment, drugs, etc. that we take for > granted are hard to find or non-existent. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: To return home, or not? > > > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to > > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- > > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. Was > > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and > > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near you. > > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, you > > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, > > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, use > > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If > > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > My adult male Angelfish has been in the quarantine 6G tank for a > > month, in salty water (1 tbs/5 gallons). The diseace was something > > like pop-eye, the left eye popped out and something white came out (a > > 1mm tube, not moving, doesn't seem like a worm or anything alife, but > > more like a tissue). Then everything sealed and the eye is still > > popped and not changing at all since at least two weeks now. > > > > > > Otherwise he's doing fine, eating an moving normally. > > > > > > I started reducing the salt concentration with each PWC, to reach a > > 0 level soon. > > > > > > Do you think it's safe to take the Angelfish back home, to the 20 G > > community tank now? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Noura > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37286	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

Left out the most important one of all. BYOB On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > wut slang r u talkn bout? <g> lol rotflmao brb cyal8r > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:36 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Slang? > > Lately there seems to be a great use of slang on the group and while many > members may understand just exactly what and how, is being said I'm sure > others do not. > > To that end I thought some "old timers", that actually say or type what we > mean, might find comfort in this link to translate those mysterious letter, > i.e. LOL. > Here's the link: http://www.noslang.com/ > > For those wishing to delve further into this "new" method of communication > and thus increase their Internet group skills there is also a slang > dictionary tab included on the page. > > Enjoy! > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37287	From: Kevin	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: fish tank water keeps turning black

i have a question for the past cople of months my fish tank wate in one of my smaller tanks has ben turn black after about 3 weeks and i cant figure out why it has a male beta and i use these prodicts it in in the fish food i use is HBH betta bites and for water condenter i use tetra easybalance with nitraban could anny of theres be turning it black and if not what could be doing it

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37288	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:52 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? Left out the most important one of all. BYOB On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > wut slang r u talkn bout? <g> lol rotflmao brb cyal8r > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:36 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Slang? > > Lately there seems to be a great use of slang on the group and while > many members may understand just exactly what and how, is being said > I'm sure others do not. > > To that end I thought some "old timers", that actually say or type > what we mean, might find comfort in this link to translate those > mysterious letter, i.e. LOL. > Here's the link: http://www.noslang.com/ > > For those wishing to delve further into this "new" method of > communication and thus increase their Internet group skills there is > also a slang dictionary tab included on the page. > > Enjoy! > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37289	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: fish tank water keeps turning black

How long has the tank been set up? You say the past couple of months, you've been having this problem but was it ever OK? Did you make any changes in your tank maintenance from when it was OK to how it is now? What size tank is it? Does it have filtration (since it's small and a Betta tank, many do not, unfortunately)? Since it's small, I'm presuming you don't have driftwood in the tank... do you? What kind of substrate do you have? Do you have a water test kit? If yes, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any others you may have. There are many more questions but I'll wait for these answers first. Last, but certainly not least, I HOPE you got the Tetra EasyBalance for free and further, I HOPE you are not following the directions where they claim you do not have to do partial water changes but once every six months. If you have been following those directions, then your black water is likely due to an excessive amount of detritus (fish poop, uneaten food, etc.) in the gravel that is now basically turning the Bettas tank into an unflushed toilet. How bad does it smell? A healthy tank should smell earthy but not funky. Here's my blog about Tetra EasyBalance for more reading... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/12/tetra-easy-balance-with-nitraban.html While some of the chemicals in Tetra EB are sometimes used for treatment of some diseases in fish, those and the rest of the chemicals in EB do NOT belong in our fish tanks on a permanent basis. If the lack of tank maintenance because of the Tetra EasyBalance instructions is the problem, then you need to slowly return the ecology back to a clean one as the fish slowly acclimate to the nasty water so changing it too fast could cause osmoregulatory or pH shock issues. Start by doing no more than 10% PWC's (partial water change) each day and siphon vacuuming the gravel with each PWC to remove the excess detritus. Also, if it has a filter system, then do proper filter cleaning (do NOT trash the filter cartridge like the manufacturers tell you do to so they can take more of your money). While at my blog, I have a long article on Filter Maintenance And Cleaning also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fish tank water keeps turning black i have a question for the past cople of months my fish tank wate in one of my smaller tanks has ben turn black after about 3 weeks and i cant figure out why it has a male beta and i use these prodicts it in in the fish food i use is HBH betta bites and for water condenter i use tetra easybalance with nitraban could anny of theres be turning it black and if not what could be doing it

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37290	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

Should i expect this problem to correct itself then in time? On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > The eggs may have not been fertile. They are probably still young and > despite brooding a clutch in the other tank, they may not have gotten > the hang of it quite yet. They may have somehow been disturbed, and felt > it better to eat the eggs than to protect them. Just a few guesses. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> David Keymel >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:25 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Ram Breeding >> >> My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem >> to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they >> would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank >> when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are >> doing it. >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37291	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Hi Ray Actually, I decided to put salt by myself because the swelling around the eye was wounded, the skin was open, and I was afraid of infections. We have "Minocycline" available in 50 and 100mg capsules, manifactured for human treatment, I can just open the capsule in the quarantine tank. What is the recommended dose for 5.5 US Gallons? Should I remove activated carbon from the bubble up filter during the treatment? What are the exact steps concerning the repetition of the dose and PWCs? The fish sees with his eye, the other eye is slightly popped too, but he became squint-eyed! He snaps his food about half an inch away from the actual piece of food!! poor guy! But manages to catch it eventually.Do you think he can be cured? Thanks for the advice Noura --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. Was > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near you. > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, you > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, use > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37292	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind was your butt is fried, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) -------- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> --------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37293	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

Well, I was replying to BYOB, which is Bring Your Own Booze... so that prompted YBIF, You Buy, I'll Fly! It's probably more of a guy thing since you ladies rarely have to pay for a drink when out... at least, not if there are any men around that are trying to get your butt fried (aka drunk) for our own special reasons. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind was your butt is fried, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) -------- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37294	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

OK, I get it now. I would have probably figured it out if it had been in relation to pizza. heheh DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Well, I was replying to BYOB, which is Bring Your Own Booze... so that prompted YBIF, You Buy, I'll Fly! It's probably more of a guy thing since you ladies rarely have to pay for a drink when out... at least, not if there are any men around that are trying to get your butt fried (aka drunk) for our own special reasons. ;-) LOL -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind was your butt is fried, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) -------- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37295	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

My first thought was, "You buy, I'll forget" LOL Maybe that's because I forget a lot of stuff ;) Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > OK, I get it now. I would have probably figured it out if it had been > in relation to pizza. heheh > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Well, I was replying to BYOB, which is Bring Your Own Booze... so that > prompted YBIF, You Buy, I'll Fly! It's probably more of a guy thing since > you ladies rarely have to pay for a drink when out... at least, not if > there > are any men around that are trying to get your butt fried (aka drunk) for > our own special reasons. ;-) LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind > was your butt is fried, lol. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > -------- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37296	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

Sounds a lot like me! I think I still prefer, "Your butt is fried." Maybe that's because I have a husband with bipolar disorder, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > My first thought was, "You buy, I'll forget" LOL > Maybe that's because I forget a lot of stuff ;) > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> OK, I get it now. I would have probably figured it out if it had been >> in relation to pizza. heheh >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny": >> >> Well, I was replying to BYOB, which is Bring Your Own Booze... so that >> prompted YBIF, You Buy, I'll Fly! It's probably more of a guy thing since >> you ladies rarely have to pay for a drink when out... at least, not if >> there >> are any men around that are trying to get your butt fried (aka drunk) for >> our own special reasons. ;-) LOL >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> >> Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind >> was your butt is fried, lol. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> -------- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> >> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat something other than the algae. I even managed to find some landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the tank if I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's edible, LOL. I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat anything I put in the tank for them. They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that they're eating in the tank. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37298	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Severum acting oddly

I've never had a Severum before, so I'm not sure if what Spike is doing is normal or not. I have a hollow plastic log decoration that he just barely still fits inside, and he will go inside of it and turn sideways, like he's watching the top of the inside of the log... If he notices that I'm watching him do it, then he turns around and comes back out to beg for food. So I'm wondering if he's looking for guppy fry maybe? That was my only thought. On a side note, he can barely turn around inside the log, I think it's time to find him a bigger log ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37299	From: gail	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.

Okay, so I ended up keeping 1 of my last batch of Convict Fry. I kept my male, and pulled the baby out and put her into the big community tank. Well, I recently moved her back to the Cichlid tank and I was wondering how mature (old) the females have to be to breed? She is only like 1" long in size. My male Convict "Ratchet" seems really excited to see her.lol It keeps him occupied and away from my other fish in the tank. Any ideas on maturity for egg-laying? I think she was born last October. ..   tell me what you think guys :D   Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37300	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Found a place online that sells mopani (sinking) driftwood

http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/6179/product.web I don't know when they got it in stock, but they have it now, and I'm planning on getting some of this sinking driftwood when I can afford another fish order. Do pleco's eat this kind of driftwood too? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

Well... that's normally my plan when I start buying girls drinks... or maybe it would be TMYDTBIL.... the more you drink, the better I look... but on occasion worked out where TMIDTBSL... the more I drank, the better she looked. ;-) FISH! Gotta keep it on topic. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? My first thought was, "You buy, I'll forget" LOL Maybe that's because I forget a lot of stuff ;) Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > OK, I get it now. I would have probably figured it out if it had been > in relation to pizza. heheh > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Well, I was replying to BYOB, which is Bring Your Own Booze... so that > prompted YBIF, You Buy, I'll Fly! It's probably more of a guy thing > since you ladies rarely have to pay for a drink when out... at least, > not if there are any men around that are trying to get your butt fried > (aka drunk) for our own special reasons. ;-) LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind > was your butt is fried, lol. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > -------- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37302	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so they're getting more than just algae and I thought that was their primary diet anyhow... isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW means "by the way" ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different needs so that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I do remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with the breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he meant this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do eventually). My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has NEVER gone for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other veggies, etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the algae go a little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty busy eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing like crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little more protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much about all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their finger in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae... Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat something other than the algae. I even managed to find some landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the tank if I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's edible, LOL. I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat anything I put in the tank for them. They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that they're eating in the tank. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37303	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.

I don't know the official time line is, but when I had convicts they started to mock spawn at about 1 1/2 inches so by my calculations it shouldn't be that much longer.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37304	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly

Well is Spike the only fish in the tank? Because he could just be "lonely."

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37305	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Hillstream loaches are often listed as omnivores, but anyone that I know that has actually had some has never noticed them eating anything but greens, and that is probrably why in some LFS they are listed as siamese algae eaters.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I guess one or more of the Hillstream "Family" Balitoridae might look like SAE's but most do not... at least not the ones I've seen. The family includes over 600 species in more than 60 genera... per Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balitoridae Lots of photos of them in this article: http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i n-the-fast-lane That's why I asked Amber for her actual species so maybe more research could be done on that exact species to see what their preferences are. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae... Hillstream loaches are often listed as omnivores, but anyone that I know that has actually had some has never noticed them eating anything but greens, and that is probrably why in some LFS they are listed as siamese algae eaters.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37307	From: gail	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: convict cichlids & breeding, etc.

I am not familiar with "mock spawn" Can you tell me what that is, or elaborate a bit?   Thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37308	From: bill1433	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

It does not search well -----------even on Google!   Bill --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 11:18 AM Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind was your butt is fried, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) -------- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. com> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> -------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37309	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Slang?

How can you say that? I just search BYOB YBIF on Google and guess what was the top hit... that's right, my reply out here. LOL Wow... Google must be stalking our group to have a hit on that reply already. Maybe we should get a TRO. Just searching YBIF found this same reply but about 15 hits down. Actually, I never used YBIF before until today, which is why I prefaced it with "in this context" with BYOB. Now, "You buy, I'll Fly"... yes, I may have said that on more than one occasion! hiccup! LOL BYOB by itself got plenty of top hits for Bring Your Own Booze.. including it's own Wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYOB Even I haven't resorted to writing articles on a single acronym. :-P (Bill... that means smiley sticking his tongue out) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? It does not search well -----------even on Google!   Bill --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Slang? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 11:18 AM Never seen this one before. The first thing that popped into my mind was your butt is fried, lol. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) -------- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. com> And in that context.... then how about, YBIF. <g> --------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37310	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach forums of people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the UK), and they seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the sinking pellets that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp pellets). I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and don't start starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of them in a 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is enough to sustain them then I won't worry so much. I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but they still haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 weeks prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to have them sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, he never said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he actively saw them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I haven't done any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank grows algae that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures cuz i can't see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so they're > getting > more than just algae and I thought that was their primary diet anyhow... > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW means "by the > way" > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different needs so > that > might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I do remember > that > the breeder you bought these from said they were accepting man-made > foods so > maybe you should double check with the breeder that these actual fish were > accepting it or maybe he meant this species normally accepts man-made > foods > (most fish do eventually). > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that primarily > eats algae, but for over six months now, also has NEVER gone for the algae > wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other veggies, etc.) that I've > tried > to feed him. Like you, I did let the algae go a little crazy in my tank > before adding him so he's still plenty busy eating the algae and > gnawing on > the driftwood and he's growing like crazy for a little guy but I was sure > hoping to get a little more protein rich foods in him but then I never > really thought much about all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said > before, it still sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams > their finger in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything > but algae... > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some landscaping > pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, etc), and I have > been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried on it. So far the > platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I can't get the > loaches to > take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put in a couple of them at > once? I > didn't want it to cloud up the tank if I put in too many dried egg covered > rocks. > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to eat > anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) They > have to > check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's edible, LOL. > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will > find > any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat anything I > put in the tank for them. > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that > could > be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up on the > front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to leave > it for > them to forage on if that's the only food that they're eating in the tank. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37311	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly

He's the only Severum in the tank. I have lots of other fish in the tank, and a few other semi aggressive cichlids, like my 2 angel's, and 2 bolivian ram's. How do you tell when a fish is lonely anyways? LOL Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > Well is Spike the only fish in the tank? Because he could just > be "lonely." > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37312	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

You may expect the behavior to change, but expecting does not make it necessarily so. Most likely they will get the hang of it, but sometimes the pair never really does. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Keymel > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Ram Breeding > > Should i expect this problem to correct itself then in time? > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > The eggs may have not been fertile. They are probably still young and > > despite brooding a clutch in the other tank, they may not have gotten > > the hang of it quite yet. They may have somehow been disturbed, and felt > > it better to eat the eggs than to protect them. Just a few guesses. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > >> David Keymel > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:25 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Ram Breeding > >> > >> My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem > >> to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they > >> would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank > >> when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are > >> doing it. > >> > >> > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37313	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we kind of knew would happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but then you weren't able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing because of the extra organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you add more and more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the meantime, it's good that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals until you finally find something man-made that they like. My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let grow for him so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and tonight I scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him to eat but hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left behind since I only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have an acrylic tank. You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of algae kind of lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the substrate or maybe even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made aufwuchs rocks, but from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, it probably wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane so at least the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now close to 3" long and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been able to clean my tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the panes myself, in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he can manage. I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". Are they pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers so they don't sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying on top of your gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like more herbivorous ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega One Algae thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any until you start to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae is also taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing good? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae... I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach forums of people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the UK), and they seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the sinking pellets that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp pellets). I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and don't start starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of them in a 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is enough to sustain them then I won't worry so much. I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but they still haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 weeks prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to have them sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, he never said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he actively saw them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I haven't done any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank grows algae that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures cuz i can't see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so they're > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their primary diet > anyhow... > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW means "by the > way" > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different needs so > that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I do > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with the > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he meant > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > eventually). > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has NEVER gone > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other veggies, > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the algae go a > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty busy > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing like > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little more > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much about > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their finger > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > anything but algae... > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the tank if > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's > edible, LOL. > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat > anything I put in the tank for them. > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that they're > eating in the tank. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37314	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly swords), they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. One has a "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of the omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from said they don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't even tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift over and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they are finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try dropping in a couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will go after them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food too, they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking pellets because that's what the seller suggested to try. I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long handled ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try scraping the algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we kind of knew > would > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but then you > weren't > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing because of the > extra > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you add more and > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the meantime, it's > good > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals until you > finally > find something man-made that they like. > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let grow for him > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and tonight I > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him to eat but > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left behind since I > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have an acrylic > tank. > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of algae kind of > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the substrate or maybe > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made aufwuchs rocks, but > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, it probably > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane so at least > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now close to 3" long > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been able to > clean my > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the panes > myself, > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he can manage. > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". Are they > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers so they don't > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying on top > of your > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like more > herbivorous > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega One Algae > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any until you start > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae is also > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing good? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > anything but algae... > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach forums of > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the UK), and > they > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the sinking pellets > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp pellets). > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and don't start > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of them > in a > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is enough to > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but they > still > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 weeks > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to have them > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, he > never > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he actively saw > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I > haven't done > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank grows > algae > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures cuz i > can't > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so they're > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their primary diet > > anyhow... > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW means "by the > > way" > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different needs so > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I do > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with the > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he meant > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > eventually). > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has NEVER gone > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other veggies, > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the algae go a > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty busy > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing like > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little more > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much about > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their finger > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > > anything but algae... > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the tank if > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's > > edible, LOL. > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that they're > > eating in the tank. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37315	From: Lisa	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Betta companions

What would be a good small algae eater that is compatible with a betta? I have a male vt atm, in a tank of his own which is not the ideal set up for him. But I need a tank divider for my 22gal before I can put him in there. And I can't pick that up till next week. But there is a build up of green algae in the main tank. And my one golden mystery snail (which appears too be having baby snails) is not doing it's job (I might have to fire it ) Anyway, any suggestions would be great. Thanks. I was thinking a ottocinclus? Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37316	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

Otto's need to be kept in groups to stay happy. I kept losing mine, so I can't give advice on keeping them, as I don't know why mine kept dieing. I decided they just weren't the fish for me ;) You could get more snails for the bigger tank, or maybe a dwarf pleco? What else do you have in the 22 gallon? Amber Lisa wrote: > > What would be a good small algae eater that is compatible with a betta? > I have a male vt atm, in a tank of his own which is not the ideal set > up for him. But I need a tank divider for my 22gal before I can put him > in there. And I can't pick that up till next week. > But there is a build up of green algae in the main tank. And my one > golden mystery snail (which appears too be having baby snails) is not > doing it's job (I might have to fire it…) > Anyway, any suggestions would be great. Thanks. > I was thinking a ottocinclus?… > > Thanks > Lisa > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37317	From: Lisa	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

I also have in the 22... 1 male 4 female fancy guppies 1 male 3 female swordtails 2 bronnze corys 1 kuhli and 2 cardenal tetras Plus a golden apple snail who appears to be having babies...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37318	From: crazycatlady	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: african clawed frog escapee

Hello I thought I would share a positive story.  About five days ago my 4 inch albino african clawed frog escaped from its tank.  I kept expecting to find its dried up body somewhere but no luck.  then tonight, my dog is doing a Lassie move (no kidding!)  coming and trying to get my attention, then running back into the back room (our bedroom).  So my husband and I go to investigate, thinking, oh he must have found the frogs body.  We go back into the bedroom and the dog shows us exactly where to look.  The frog hopped from under the dresser, over my husbands foot, and under the bed!  Soon after, we were able to catch the frog who was ALIVE AND STILL PRETTY ACTIVE AND NOT DRIED UP!!!  Unbelievable considering the body of his froggie brother was found dried up only a few days before.  Yes i have figured out their escape route and have (hopefully) secured it.  He is now happily back in his tank telling stories of the outside world to his tankmates! Leah   Don't breed or buy while shelter pets die! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37319	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

What else is in the 22G again and water parameters... mainly your tank's pH, presuming your tank is fully cycled? Besides snails, Otocinclus affinis do OK with Betta splendens... but since your Mystery Snail is having babies, were you planning on keeping some? If yes, then a few of them, along with tank maintenance should do a better job of keeping the algae in check. Check to make sure you have suitable water parameters... they prefer lower pH and well planted tanks and a healthy stabile tank as these little guys have a history of not doing well for many new buyers and/or newly set up tanks less than six months old. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html Depending on what else you have in the tank and it's size (LxWxH) and your water parameters (although the following plecos can acclimate to a wider range than the Oto above) you might be better off with a dwarf pleco like a Clown Pleco (either Pekoltia pulcher or Panaque maccus) which only get to 3" to 5" depending on which species you get... note that at least two species of dwarf pleco's are called Clown Pleco but there could be more so make sure you check the scientific name. Pleco's do fine singly. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Peckoltia_pulcher.html http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/catfish/clownplec.html http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile80.html A Bristle Nose Pleco is another dwarf pleco but grows to around 6" so tank size should be at least 36" in length for this species. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Betta companions What would be a good small algae eater that is compatible with a betta? I have a male vt atm, in a tank of his own which is not the ideal set up for him. But I need a tank divider for my 22gal before I can put him in there. And I can't pick that up till next week. But there is a build up of green algae in the main tank. And my one golden mystery snail (which appears too be having baby snails) is not doing it's job (I might have to fire it.) Anyway, any suggestions would be great. Thanks. I was thinking a ottocinclus?. Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37320	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Aqua-tech 200 filter

Hi I was just wondering if anyone know about this filter or if you know where I could get the instructions for it. I have checked online and I cant find a regent aqua-tech site. I got this filter used with my 150 a couple years ago and I bought a new filter, but I wanted to use it again on another tank but I cant seem to find the instructions or the parts other than the canister. Also I have what looks like a powerhead for it, but I don' t know how to use it or attach it. This probably sounds dumb, but I don't know where else to look. Thanks so much "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

I should have asked before... what do you mean by "having babies"? Most species of apple and mystery snails lay large clutches of eggs right above the water line, so I wanted to clarify what you are seeing with yours. About 1/2 way down on this link has photos of the egg clutches. It's also a very good care sheet about Apple/Mystery snails. http://www.applesnail.net/content/care.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Betta companions I also have in the 22... 1 male 4 female fancy guppies 1 male 3 female swordtails 2 bronnze corys 1 kuhli and 2 cardenal tetras Plus a golden apple snail who appears to be having babies...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqua-tech 200 filter

I think the Regent Aqua-tech is the same as the Marineland Penguin Bio-Wheel 200 except without the Bio-Wheel (spinning cartridge) and is made by Marineland for Wal-Mart. Look on the bottom and see if it says "Made by Marineland" or something like that. Oops. I was typing the above and then realized this was a canister filter you were talking about so it's not the same as the Marineland Penguin Bio-Wheel 200 which is an HOB model. I decided to Google and I found this older thread http://www.aquahobby.com/e2004/viewtopic.php?t=7010 which says the 200 canister model is like the Marineland HOT Magnum Canister filter. This page http://www.marineland.com/sites/Marineland/products/productdetail.aspx?id=20 54&cid=3069&mid=3226 has more info on them including manuals, quick set-up guides and parts lists. If the link breaks, go to Marineland.com, click on Products, then Filtration, then Canisters, then HOT Magnum.... btw, HOT means "Hang On Tank" since this canister is designed to hang on the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:40 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aqua-tech 200 filter Hi I was just wondering if anyone know about this filter or if you know where I could get the instructions for it. I have checked online and I cant find a regent aqua-tech site. I got this filter used with my 150 a couple years ago and I bought a new filter, but I wanted to use it again on another tank but I cant seem to find the instructions or the parts other than the canister. Also I have what looks like a powerhead for it, but I don' t know how to use it or attach it. This probably sounds dumb, but I don't know where else to look. Thanks so much "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37323	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

There should be no need to place a divider in that tank so you can also keep a betta in there. All the fish should get along just fine, unless your betta is a particularly aggressive fish, but generally, aggression is only shown to male conspecifics. With the betta, you tank will pretty much be at capacity for fish, so looking for more fish to help your problem with algae may not be best for others. First, one must realize that it is very hard to keep algae out of a tank. Even the best maintained tanks normally have some algae. The first question you should ask your self is do you really have an algae problem, or is it just growing in the "wrong" places, thus offending your sense of aesthetics? Do you have any plants in your tank other than the algae? If not, you probably should consider adding some live plants. This will help in that these plants, once they start growing should out compete the algae for food, and eventually starve most of the algae, reducing the amount you have. They will also provide the fish with some hiding areas, and, hopefully, make your tank better to look at. You need to do regular tank maintenance to help control algae. This includes, but is not limited to weekly, or more often, partial water changes. Cleaning the filter components as needed, vacuuming your substrate during water changes, etc. Regular water testing should also be done, to establish a baseline for your tank, and, as time goes on, less frequently to ensure that the baseline is being maintained. If you suspect a problem in your tank, testing should be done immediately and compared to your baseline. It would be handy to know your parameters now, especially for those tests measuring nitrogenous compounds--ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate--since these compounds can serve as food for the algae. Lighting is another consideration. If you have no plants, there is no real need to provide light except for those times you are viewing the fish. Ambient light should be fine. With plants, you'll want lighting available for them for 8-12 hours a day. There is more, but this should provide you with enough to cogitate upon for the time being, and I need to get ready for work. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lisa > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:33 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Betta companions > > I also have in the 22... > > 1 male 4 female fancy guppies > 1 male 3 female swordtails > 2 bronnze corys > 1 kuhli > and 2 cardenal tetras > > Plus a golden apple snail who appears to be having babies... > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37324	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Found a place online that sells mopani (sinking) driftwood

I'm pretty sure a previous post, the consensus was it is too hard for them to eat. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/6179/product.web > I don't know when they got it in stock, but they have it now, and I'm > planning on getting some of this sinking driftwood when I can afford > another fish order. Do pleco's eat this kind of driftwood too? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37325	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

OK, now I am completely stumped. My Nitrites went to 0! WhoHoo! But for ages my ammonia would drop to 0 in 24 hours, this time it did not, measured 1 ppm? And the Nitrates went thru the roof! 80 PPM So I raised the Ammonia to 4ppm again, and will wait 24 hours. I hope for a 0 reading on both ammonia and nitrite. Then I can do the massive water change and finally get my fish! If that is not the reading I get, I am not sure what I will do. I have been thinking that I might just get the 6 little fish and wait 2 weeks and get the catfish and wait 2 weeks and get the dwarf gourami. Figure the dwarf is the most delicate of the bunch and that way he would see the least problems... Like the buzzard in the cartoon says, "Patience my a$$, I'm gonna kill something!" Harl On 2/10/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and take > care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can put in > is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the bacteria > grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With the fishless > cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to about 4 PPM. If > you have used gravel from an established tank or filter cartridges > from an established tank in your new tank or even any other solid > objects from an established tank in your new tank they will have the > good bacteria to help jump start the cycling process. In theory if > you added enough of the right kinds of bacteria to a new tank it > could become instantly cycled but that is not practical in every > case. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Harl > Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep > adding > > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I > just let > > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. > It just > > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because > just > > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours > later, 0 > > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the > same speed > > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I > was at > > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will > check again > > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or > have to > > re-develop. > > > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a > great deal > > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to > others... > > > > > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, > they can > > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good > fishless cycling > > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria > > > without food > > > > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is > treated with > > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a > high PH. > > > on my tap water. > > > > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 > ppm and > > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a > couple of > > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. > Not sure > > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the > tank just > > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was > still 8 ppm > > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still > measures as it > > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia > is only > > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that > almost keeps > > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. > mark brought > > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. > I did not > > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow > and add > > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again > and see > > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > > > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. > Starting to > > > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be > positive > > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! > It is > > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising > levels of > > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've > seen > > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter > products I > > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. > High > > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom > levels, > > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the > tank, yes. > > > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > > > bacteria without food > > > > > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. > Mine says > > > > wait > > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is > just a > > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No > purple at > > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be > happening > > > > with your tank water. > > > > > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours > absolutely > > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more > significant. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria > > > > without food > > > > > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am > almost > > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end > up with > > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I > test > > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > regent, > > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > goes > > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is > almost clear > > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > green. > > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > water, or > > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be > close... > > > > > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how > long > > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to > change > > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I > thought > > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of > 70+ F > > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 > hour trip > > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > add. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37326	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

Do you still have the dither fish in this tank? No, I'm not suggesting those fish would be eating the eggs, but I have my reasons for asking. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem > to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they > would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank > when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are > doing it. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37327	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

You made an excellent buy, regardless of what you paid (although many good bargains can be found towards the end of most fish auctions). Thirty or thirty five years ago, Centrarchus (Archocentrus centrarchus -- if they haven't changed the name on this one, as they keep doing with so many <g>) was fairly plentiful in the hobby soon after Central American Cichlids first became popular. They seem a bit scarce in the hobby lately, possibly because they're not as "flashy" as some others, but for a Central American Cichlid they're one of the milder mannered fish and one well worth the tank space -- an extremely nice fish when in matures. As you've only seen them in books up until now, I have a feeling that you probably realize they're no longer as easy to come by. I probably don't need to tell you, but would only suggest you appreciate them (which you probably do), even though they were only a couple of bucks; you never know when you may ever see them again. Any of us who have been in the hobby for any length of time can tell you that many fish in the hobby run in cycles -- they may be very popular for a few years, then suddenly lose favor for something else - - and you may not see these species for another half a dozen (or more) years. This goes with any fish, but especially with any "specialty-group" fish as their popularity can change as fast as the hobby (hobbyists) changes favor. Lots of luck with them. I'll try to hunt you down at the Convention, but not before first hunting \\Steve// down this year. Anyone else here going to the NEC? Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > We just had our annual auction and we went from 11 in the > morning to after 8 in the evening. It was a very good time. Towards > the last Waylen most of the people had left I picked up a pair of > centrachus cichlids for a couple of bucks.I had only seen these in > books. > I will be at the convention in March because I am on the > conservation committee and hope to have a very successful silent > auction to raise money for the North American Conservation. It is > just a way to help out different projects that foster conservation in > the aquarium field. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > Hey, how are you guys up there in the PVAS doing? I may see some at > the NEC next month. > > > > \\Steve// > > Now a member of the "Other" PVAS. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > William > > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:43 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > > > We had several 55 gallon aquariums sell for less than $50.00 at > the > > > Pioneer Valley Aquarium Society auction Sunday. If you are looking > > > for larger tanks then an aquarium club auction might be a good > way to > > > go. With the economy the way it is, many people are downsizing > their > > > hobby and getting rid of tanks that they are not using. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I bought a new tank (still on the lookout for a used 55g or > larger > > > with a stand...) and some fish yesterday. (not to worry, the fist > > > went into an established tank). > > > > > > > > I carefully researched fish that I wanted and NONE of my wish > list > > > fishes were at the large pet store I traveled two hours to go to. > > > Bummer! But I did find some I remembered being mentioned to me as > > > good choices so grabbed them. 5 neon tetras, 1 oto (man, is that > > > little 'tadpole' quick!) and 3 rasbora hex's. Got a couple > moderate > > > light plants - hornwort. Not my favorite but it's nice soft fishy > > > cover and they had huge bundles of it. Husband begged for a bala > > > shark but I declined as I didn't know if he would go with my > group or > > > not. (also housing my betta, so far so good!) > > > > > > > > The plants I really liked were all 'bright light' plants. How > do I > > > go about properly lighting a tank so that I can properly care for > a > > > wider variety of plants? When I get my big tank, that will be my > main > > > focus. It just sounds like so much fun to 'craft' a dutch aquarium > > > and see a few happy fish living in it. > > > > > > > > I'd like to blueprint out my potential future tank plans. I see > > > tons of photos I love but they don't document what type of plants > are > > > in the photos. Are there any sites which blueprint planted > aquariums > > > like garden plans? > > > > > > > > Janet Ford > > > > ---- > > > > How to Write for eHow > > > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if > > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37328	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

As a newbie I just want to guess and see where this might be going. Tell me if I am right or wrong. Other fish in with them swimming around. Rams think they might eat the eggs. If anyone is going to eat them and get the nourishment, it might as well be us! So they eat their own eggs rather than chance it that some other fish will do it. Is that where your heading? Could that be? Harl On 2/13/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Do you still have the dither fish in this tank? No, I'm not suggesting > those fish would be eating the eggs, but I have my reasons for asking. > Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, David > Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: > > > > My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem > > to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they > > would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank > > when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are > > doing it. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37330	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: fin rot

I have one platinum molly that appears to shimmy. Also his fins appear frayed and he is very thin. All other appear fine as of now. He is eating and active. I have moved him to another tank with 2tsp/gal salt at 80degrees. Is this fin rot or could he have been picked on too much? Should I quarantine him and get an antibiotic for fin rot? Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37331	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter.............. :) Jim In a message dated 2/13/2009 1:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37332	From: allie1068@yahoo.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

Are you pregnant? ;p Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Jpateson@... Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:06:04 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter.............. :) Jim In a message dated 2/13/2009 1:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37333	From: Gail	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

Actually, now that I have fish... I find I am the opposite. My 55 Gallon is in the Dining room directly next to the kitchen; so my fish see me when I eat. Thus, I have a hard time eating fish nowadays. If I eat any fish (rarely) it's tuna or Salmon - but that is it! Even then, I feel bad. And I cannot eat Talapia, because I know that they might somehow be related to my beloved Cichlids. That makes me sad that your fishes make you hungry. Like they say in "Finding Nemo" "FISH ARE FRIENDS, NOT FOOD!" -gail (30 fish and counting)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37334	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Okay, I didn't think (or at least I hoped not) that anyone here would have given you that advice for Pop-Eye condition, but I can see your use for it now with trying to prevent wound infection. Good to see that you have Minocycline available to you. As yours is manufactured for human treatment, I must assume it's "medicinal quality," or pure Minocycline. If you can determine otherwise, please advise us; it would otherwise appear as though the 50mg capsules are most probably 100% Minocycline (50mg of Minocycline) activity. Treatment for Pop-Eye condition using Minocycline, one of the best medications of choice against this disease -- if it's bacterial, is a five (5) day treatment. Note, Pop-Eye condition can have other causes, including viral infection, but most often its caused by an Aeromonas bacteria (Pseudomonas punctata). Using 100% medicinal activity, the treatment calls for 20mg per 10 gallon for the first day (11mg per 5.5 gallons). For the second through the fifth day, 10mg per 10 gallons (5.5mg per 5.5 gallons) each day is to be used. To make things easier, I'd suggest dropping the water level to 5 gallons. Then, for the first day, you need 1/5 (10mg) of one of those 50mg capsules. For each of the 4 remaining days, you would need 1/10 (5mg) of one of those 50mg capsules -- provided those capsules are 100% activity. I point this out, as Mardel's Maracyn II (Minocycline) is advertised as having only 10% Minocycline activity -- but it's not manufactured for human treatment -- and is recommended at 10 X this doseage as a result of this. It's always best to remove the carbon from your filter with most any medication, to prevent its possible decrease in effectiveness. Some sources state that if the carbon has been in use for about a week that it's not necessary to take this step, but I would still recommend its removal during treatment. As is always prudent, at least a 25% PWC should be done before the start of any treatment, regardless of any treatments suggestion otherwise -- possibly saying it's not necessary. This will help ensure less stress on the fish due to any possible organic waste build-up. If you take water tests of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate just before medicating (as is always a good idea), and find your ammonia and ntrite to be "0" and your nitrate at least below 40ppm (and possibly lower), you really needn't do a preliminary PWC, but a moderate change out with fresh water always serves to stimulate the fish. During treatment, no PWC's are required. If by some chance at the end of the 5-day period, that this is not cured, you may re-treat the tank again one more time, after doing a minimum of a 33% PWC. I feel for the poor guy after reading your description of his trying to find his food. I can't say whether or not this will cure him, especially now that he's been like this for 6 months. Then too, it could have another cause (such as a virus I mentioned), but it's worth a try, and this is one of the best medications you can use against a bacterial infection causing this. Please note though, that Pop-Eye is not always cureable. Best of luck with him. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray > Actually, I decided to put salt by myself because the swelling > around the eye was wounded, the skin was open, and I was afraid of > infections. > > We have "Minocycline" available in 50 and 100mg capsules, > manifactured for human treatment, I can just open the capsule in the > quarantine tank. What is the recommended dose for 5.5 US Gallons? > Should I remove activated carbon from the bubble up filter during the > treatment? What are the exact steps concerning the repetition of the > dose and PWCs? > > The fish sees with his eye, the other eye is slightly popped too, but > he became squint-eyed! He snaps his food about half an inch away from > the actual piece of food!! poor guy! But manages to catch it > eventually.Do you think he can be cured? > > Thanks for the advice > Noura > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to > > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- > > > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. > Was > > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and > > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near > you. > > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, > you > > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, > > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, > use > > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If > > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37335	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

So, should I just buy some Chianti and lighten up? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jpateson@...> DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter.............. :) Jim menagerie_manager@... writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37336	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

If it's hormones, then I can add it to all the other weird peri-menopausal symptoms I've been having. Cheerios smell like cat pee. Garlic smells like an electrical fire or melting linoleum. The list goes on. And every 2 to 8 weeks my face breaks out like a teenager's and I lose all sense of reality. See what you have to look forward to, ladies? ;-) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <allie1068@...> Are you pregnant? ;p Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Jpateson@... DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter.............. :) Jim menagerie_manager@... writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37337	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

If you're bad, so am I! We just had smelt and shrimp for supper last night. mmmm Not in front of the fishes in the tank but I'm betting they smelled it on my breath when I fed them and chatted with them last night. Oops! Didn't think of that. Hope they aren't traumatized. LOL I'm also an avid fisherwoman... shhhhhhh.... I could never put bluegill in my tank like the lovelies at Cabellas... they may end up short lived. signed, evil fish mama [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37338	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

Yes, and have Clarice over for a glass as well...... Jim In a message dated 2/13/2009 2:53:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: So, should I just buy some Chianti and lighten up? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <_Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) > DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter......You sou Jim _menagerie_manager@menagerie_m_ (mailto:menagerie_manager@...) writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

I didn't know that "losing all sense of reality" was something women had as part of menopause... I thought that was something you all had all the time. LOL Ducking and dodging the frying pans now! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . If it's hormones, then I can add it to all the other weird peri-menopausal symptoms I've been having. Cheerios smell like cat pee. Garlic smells like an electrical fire or melting linoleum. The list goes on. And every 2 to 8 weeks my face breaks out like a teenager's and I lose all sense of reality. See what you have to look forward to, ladies? ;-) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <allie1068@...> Are you pregnant? ;p Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Jpateson@... DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter.............. :) Jim menagerie_manager@... writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37340	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

Please don't be sad. I don't think I could eat fish in front of my fishies, either, even though I feed them fish in the form of their Omega One food. But then I do eat mammals in front of my pet mammals and it doesn't seem to bother them at all. I do so wish I had the self discipline to go vegan. I've jokingly told my fishies that I'm going to re-name them Sushi1, Sushi2, and Sushi3, after that AOL commercial, but they seem to know they've become family members. They just waggle at me and say, "Sure, Mom, now hand over the fish food." DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> Actually, now that I have fish... I find I am the opposite. My 55 Gallon is in the Dining room directly next to the kitchen; so my fish see me when I eat. Thus, I have a hard time eating fish nowadays. If I eat any fish (rarely) it's tuna or Salmon - but that is it! Even then, I feel bad. And I cannot eat Talapia, because I know that they might somehow be related to my beloved Cichlids. That makes me sad that your fishes make you hungry. Like they say in "Finding Nemo" "FISH ARE FRIENDS, NOT FOOD!" -gail (30 fish and counting)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37341	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

I hear that face tastes like chicken! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . Yes, and have Clarice over for a glass as well...... Jim In a message dated 2/13/2009 2:53:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: So, should I just buy some Chianti and lighten up? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <_Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) > DebR, You sound like Hannibal Lecter......You sou Jim _menagerie_manager@menagerie_m_ (mailto:menagerie_manager@...) writes: I find myself salivating when I do PWCs. It just smells so tasty. And I've been ordering fish more often in restaurants. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37342	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

LOL! There's a difference between having a different sense of reality and losing all sense of reality. Maybe hubby is putting something in my food to tone down the mood swings. The other day I looked at a chair and wondered, "What does that mean?". DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> I didn't know that "losing all sense of reality" was something women had as part of menopause... I thought that was something you all had all the time. LOL Ducking and dodging the frying pans now! LOL -----Original Message----- Menagerie_Manager wrote: If it's hormones, then I can add it to all the other weird peri-menopausal symptoms I've been having. Cheerios smell like cat pee. Garlic smells like an electrical fire or melting linoleum. The list goes on. And every 2 to 8 weeks my face breaks out like a teenager's and I lose all sense of reality. See what you have to look forward to, ladies? ;-) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37343	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

Hey now!!! I'm a member of the VRA... "Vegetable Right's Activist"... so I better not catch you eating any vegetables. Just imagine being violently pulled from your home, chopped up into pieces, thrown into a boiling pot of water and then eaten by them so-called peace-loving, earth-loving vegans... they're vicious I tell you... pure vicious! Now go forth and eat some meat... but leave them defenseless vegetables alone. At least meaty foods have a way of fleeing and/or defending themselves. The poor plants and vegetables are stuck to the ground and then just violently killed with no chance of defending themselves or fleeing their malicious vegan attackers. <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . Please don't be sad. I don't think I could eat fish in front of my fishies, either, even though I feed them fish in the form of their Omega One food. But then I do eat mammals in front of my pet mammals and it doesn't seem to bother them at all. I do so wish I had the self discipline to go vegan. I've jokingly told my fishies that I'm going to re-name them Sushi1, Sushi2, and Sushi3, after that AOL commercial, but they seem to know they've become family members. They just waggle at me and say, "Sure, Mom, now hand over the fish food." DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> Actually, now that I have fish... I find I am the opposite. My 55 Gallon is in the Dining room directly next to the kitchen; so my fish see me when I eat. Thus, I have a hard time eating fish nowadays. If I eat any fish (rarely) it's tuna or Salmon - but that is it! Even then, I feel bad. And I cannot eat Talapia, because I know that they might somehow be related to my beloved Cichlids. That makes me sad that your fishes make you hungry. Like they say in "Finding Nemo" "FISH ARE FRIENDS, NOT FOOD!" -gail (30 fish and counting)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37344	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine shrimp eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding these fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs to the fish? As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine shrimp eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down to the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly swords), > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. One has a > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of the > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from said they > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't even > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift over > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they are > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try dropping in a > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will go after > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food too, > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking pellets > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long handled > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try scraping the > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we kind of knew > > would > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but then you > > weren't > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing because of the > > extra > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you add more and > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the meantime, it's > > good > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals until you > > finally > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let grow for him > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and tonight I > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him to eat but > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left behind since I > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have an acrylic > > tank. > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of algae kind of > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the substrate or maybe > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made aufwuchs rocks, but > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, it probably > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane so at least > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now close to 3" long > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been able to > > clean my > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the panes > > myself, > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he can manage. > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". Are they > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers so they don't > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying on top > > of your > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like more > > herbivorous > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega One Algae > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any until you start > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae is also > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing good? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > > anything but algae... > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach forums of > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the UK), and > > they > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the sinking pellets > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp pellets). > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and don't start > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of them > > in a > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is enough to > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but they > > still > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 weeks > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to have them > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, he > > never > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he actively saw > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I > > haven't done > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank grows > > algae > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures cuz i > > can't > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so they're > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their primary diet > > > anyhow... > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW means "by the > > > way" > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different needs so > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I do > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with the > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he meant > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > eventually). > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has NEVER gone > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other veggies, > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the algae go a > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty busy > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing like > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little more > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much about > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their finger > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches to eat > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no soap, > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix dried > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) But I > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I should put > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the tank if > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and try to > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't move ;) > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's > > > edible, LOL. > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the loaches will > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them eat > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy about > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), but that > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae build up > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I wanted to > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that they're > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37345	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

No, this is not the primary reason for me to bring this up, although, it is part of my follow up. It often helps (not only to divert the male's attention away from the female when she's not ready) to keep dither fish in with the breeding pair, PROVIDED these dither fish are not overbearing, to give the breeding pair something (other fish) to protect the eggs from. This will help trigger the parental instinct of protection for the eggs as the presence of other fish will be seen as a threat to these eggs; the parents' attention will be drawn more towards the other fish rather than finding the eggs a delicacy for themselves in the absence of fish to chase off and guard from. Now, you brought up a point which I'll get to now (very good thinking on your part). IF these dither fish are seen to be as much of a threat that it appears to the pair that they may gain access to these eggs and consume them, they would rather then eat these eggs themselves to retain most of that energy (nutrition) themselves, that they already spent, to conserve this nutrition in keeping conditioned for spawning again in the very near future after this danger has passed. So by this, you can see that it's very important to choose the right kind(s) of dither fish. You don't want to use fish that will be chased (by the pair) up into the corners and remain there -- with no other purpose for the pair to need to guard their eggs, yet you don't want to use dither fish which may be too bold as to approach the spawning site too closely in attempts to actually get to the eggs. I still don't know if you kept the Rummy Nose in with the pair or not, and if you didn't, to say that the pair would not have eaten the eggs if you hadn't removed these Rummy Nose would be only conjecture as, just like \\Steve// pointed out, these eggs may not have been fertile. Then too, also as \\Steve// was getting at, while some pairs learn how to be parents right away, within a spawn or two (sometimes, but rarely, from the very first), with other pairs it may take them up to 20 trials or more (or anywhere in between) of laying eggs before they settle down and get it right. Then, there are pairs which never get it right and prefer the taste of caviar over the prospects of raising progeny for their next generation of the species. It's been said that some of this breeding instinct is lost in captivity, but it will vary from pair to pair. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > As a newbie I just want to guess and see where this might be going. Tell me > if I am right or wrong. Other fish in with them swimming around. Rams > think they might eat the eggs. If anyone is going to eat them and get the > nourishment, it might as well be us! So they eat their own eggs rather than > chance it that some other fish will do it. Is that where your heading? > > Could that be? > > Harl > > On 2/13/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > Do you still have the dither fish in this tank? No, I'm not suggesting > > those fish would be eating the eggs, but I have my reasons for asking. > > Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com>, David > > Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: > > > > > > My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem > > > to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they > > > would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank > > > when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are > > > doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37346	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

Yes i left them in the tank. i feared taking them back out would cause the rams to start hating on eachother again. really the dither fish are rather quiet they stick together and stay to themselves. they sometimes will wander over to the other side where the nest was, but then again who knows whats going on behind my back :) --Dave On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > Do you still have the dither fish in this tank? No, I'm not suggesting > those fish would be eating the eggs, but I have my reasons for asking. > Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, David Keymel <azzuron@...> wrote: >> >> My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. They seem >> to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea why they >> would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the big tank >> when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that they are >> doing it. >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37347	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer

It looks like the Python has competition: http://www.petco.com/product/108265/Aqueon-Aquarium-Water-Changer.aspx DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37348	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ram Breeding

Thanks ray as always, very informative. This was only their third attempt, so i'll let them keep at it for a while and see how it goes. I have 3 Scissortail Rasbora's in the tank with them. They do seem to huddle a bit in the corner, but they always swim around. Im not sure they have any interest in the nest at all though. When they were in the main tank, they seemed to protect the eggs better then only eat them or the babes when they hatched. I hope they get the hang of it soon :) i like the idea of baby rams! --Dave On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > No, this is not the primary reason for me to bring this up, although, > it is part of my follow up. It often helps (not only to divert the > male's attention away from the female when she's not ready) to keep > dither fish in with the breeding pair, PROVIDED these dither fish are > not overbearing, to give the breeding pair something (other fish) to > protect the eggs from. This will help trigger the parental instinct > of protection for the eggs as the presence of other fish will be seen > as a threat to these eggs; the parents' attention will be drawn more > towards the other fish rather than finding the eggs a delicacy for > themselves in the absence of fish to chase off and guard from. > > Now, you brought up a point which I'll get to now (very good thinking > on your part). IF these dither fish are seen to be as much of a > threat that it appears to the pair that they may gain access to these > eggs and consume them, they would rather then eat these eggs > themselves to retain most of that energy (nutrition) themselves, that > they already spent, to conserve this nutrition in keeping conditioned > for spawning again in the very near future after this danger has > passed. So by this, you can see that it's very important to choose > the right kind(s) of dither fish. You don't want to use fish that > will be chased (by the pair) up into the corners and remain there -- > with no other purpose for the pair to need to guard their eggs, yet > you don't want to use dither fish which may be too bold as to > approach the spawning site too closely in attempts to actually get to > the eggs. > > I still don't know if you kept the Rummy Nose in with the pair or > not, and if you didn't, to say that the pair would not have eaten the > eggs if you hadn't removed these Rummy Nose would be only conjecture > as, just like \\Steve// pointed out, these eggs may not have been > fertile. Then too, also as \\Steve// was getting at, while some > pairs learn how to be parents right away, within a spawn or two > (sometimes, but rarely, from the very first), with other pairs it may > take them up to 20 trials or more (or anywhere in between) of laying > eggs before they settle down and get it right. Then, there are pairs > which never get it right and prefer the taste of caviar over the > prospects of raising progeny for their next generation of the > species. It's been said that some of this breeding instinct is lost > in captivity, but it will vary from pair to pair. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: >> >> As a newbie I just want to guess and see where this might be > going. Tell me >> if I am right or wrong. Other fish in with them swimming around. > Rams >> think they might eat the eggs. If anyone is going to eat them and > get the >> nourishment, it might as well be us! So they eat their own eggs > rather than >> chance it that some other fish will do it. Is that where your > heading? >> >> Could that be? >> >> Harl >> >> On 2/13/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >> > >> > Do you still have the dither fish in this tank? No, I'm not > suggesting >> > those fish would be eating the eggs, but I have my reasons for > asking. >> > Ray >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>, David >> > Keymel <azzuron@> wrote: >> > > >> > > My rams just had their first batch of eggs in the new tank. > They seem >> > > to have nibbled on all the eggs though about day 2. Any idea > why they >> > > would do this? I thought it might be some of the fish in the > big tank >> > > when they were in there at first, but now it seems to be that > they are >> > > doing it. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37349	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

In a message dated 2/13/2009 3:14:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I didn't know that "losing all sense of reality" was something women had as part of menopause... I thought that was something you all had all the time. LOL Ducking and dodging the frying pans now! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Shut up, Lenny! LOL "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Let us know the next test results. I want to rule out a mis-test first... or did you re-test it when you got the 1.0ppm level? If you did, then do you know your GH/KH... mainly KH levels? I have seen instances where the KH level would get too low during a fishless cycle and that would cause a stall in the ammonia nitrifying bacteria. Usually, a PWC would cure it, but some folks would have to dose with some form of KH booster (baking soda, etc.) from the start if they had low KH water to start with... or do regular PWC's throughout the fishless cycle. KH (aka Carbon) is the building block of life on this planet... not sure about them Martian fish though... so if there is not enough carbon source in the water, life does not build. I'm not sure I agree with your staggered stocking schedule though. The purpose of fishless cycling is to prepare the tank for a full bioload of juvi fish.. in other words, if your fishless cycle is processing 4-5ppm of ammonia each day, then it's ready for a full bioload of fish. If you only add a few fish, you will just see the big colony of N-bacteria, that you spent weeks building, die off without enough ammonia each day. Then when you add more fish every few weeks, you may see a mini-cycle as they build back up to handle the immediately increasing bioload from the new fish. Most of the time, this mini-cycle is inconsequential but since you mentioned you were going to do this because you were worried about the fragility of the dwarf gourami, so you may want to re-think your staggered stocking. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food OK, now I am completely stumped. My Nitrites went to 0! WhoHoo! But for ages my ammonia would drop to 0 in 24 hours, this time it did not, measured 1 ppm? And the Nitrates went thru the roof! 80 PPM So I raised the Ammonia to 4ppm again, and will wait 24 hours. I hope for a 0 reading on both ammonia and nitrite. Then I can do the massive water change and finally get my fish! If that is not the reading I get, I am not sure what I will do. I have been thinking that I might just get the 6 little fish and wait 2 weeks and get the catfish and wait 2 weeks and get the dwarf gourami. Figure the dwarf is the most delicate of the bunch and that way he would see the least problems... Like the buzzard in the cartoon says, "Patience my a$$, I'm gonna kill something!" Harl On 2/10/09, William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and > take care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can > put in is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the > bacteria grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With the > fishless cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to about 4 > PPM. If you have used gravel from an established tank or filter > cartridges from an established tank in your new tank or even any other > solid objects from an established tank in your new tank they will have > the good bacteria to help jump start the cycling process. In theory if > you added enough of the right kinds of bacteria to a new tank it could > become instantly cycled but that is not practical in every case. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep > adding > > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I > just let > > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. > It just > > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because > just > > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours > later, 0 > > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the > same speed > > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I > was at > > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will > check again > > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or > have to > > re-develop. > > > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a > great deal > > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to > others... > > > > > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, > they can > > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good > fishless cycling > > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria > > > without food > > > > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is > treated with > > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a > high PH. > > > on my tap water. > > > > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 > ppm and > > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a > couple of > > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. > Not sure > > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the > tank just > > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was > still 8 ppm > > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still > measures as it > > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia > is only > > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that > almost keeps > > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. > mark brought > > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. > I did not > > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow > and add > > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again > and see > > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > > > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. > Starting to > > > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be > positive > > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! > It is > > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising > levels of > > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've > seen > > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter > products I > > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. > High > > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom > levels, > > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the > tank, yes. > > > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > > > bacteria without food > > > > > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. > Mine says > > > > wait > > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is > just a > > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No > purple at > > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be > happening > > > > with your tank water. > > > > > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours > absolutely > > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more > significant. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria > > > > without food > > > > > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am > almost > > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end > up with > > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I > test > > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > regent, > > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > goes > > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is > almost clear > > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > green. > > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > water, or > > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be > close... > > > > > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how > long > > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to > change > > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I > thought > > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of > 70+ F > > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 > hour trip > > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > add.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37351	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: fin rot

Did you see any fin nipping going on? Usually, if you watch the tank enough, you'll see which fish are the more territorial or more prone to fin nipping. If it's not fin nipping and it is fin rot, then fin rot is usually caused by poor water quality. Start doing daily 25% PWC's (partial water changes) and vacuuming your gravel each time to improve the water quality. Make sure you do weekly filter maintenance (read my long article on my blog) so you can keep the filter reasonably clean as well. I'm not sure if you raised the salt level slowly but in the future, raise it by no more than 1 teaspoon per gallon, every 12 hours until you reach your desired level. This gives the fish and more importantly, the nitrifying bacteria a chance to acclimate to the increasing salinity level. Same with the temperature, raise it by no more than 1F per hour, 2-3F per day, for fish that have been kept indoors, at a constant temp most of their lives. Do you have a water test kit yet? If yes, the first thing anyone should do when they see a problem is to run all tests on their water. Give us your test results, if you have them, for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any others you may have. If you don't, you should start working on getting a decent master test kit. They (either API's or Tetratest-Laborette) can be purchased for under $17.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. In the absence of tests, keeping the water in excellent condition will usually allow the fish to heal itself if it's only minor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:54 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fin rot I have one platinum molly that appears to shimmy. Also his fins appear frayed and he is very thin. All other appear fine as of now. He is eating and active. I have moved him to another tank with 2tsp/gal salt at 80degrees. Is this fin rot or could he have been picked on too much? Should I quarantine him and get an antibiotic for fin rot? Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37352	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer

There's actually several competitors... but at the price shown on that Aqueon one at Petco, they won't be very competitive with Python.. unless that's just a high price at Petco. They claim some kind of special internet pricing of $39.99 and regular price of $69.99, but Python's regular price at DrsFosterSmith.com is only $31.99 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=17879. I've seen them on sale for the low-to mid 20's. I have seen the Lee brand at a slightly lower price and then there are DIY instructions on cichlid-forum.com that's also slightly cheaper but not that much cheaper since it's DIY. I'm not sure how Petco stays in business. I have one nearby me but their prices are always so much higher than PetsMart or other retail stores and their online prices aren't much better... and then when they do have a good online price, the local store won't match it. In all the years that I've had one nearby, I haven't spent a single penny there due to their prices being so out of line. I hope they are more competitive in other markets. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer It looks like the Python has competition: http://www.petco.com/product/108265/Aqueon-Aquarium-Water-Changer.aspx DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37353	From: ''Grey'' Greymane	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer

At the price they are showing, they will not be competition. Pythons can be bought for substantially less. Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: menagerie_manager@... Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:47:50 -0500 Subject: [AquaticLife] Aqueon Aquarium Water Changer It looks like the Python has competition: http://www.petco.com/product/108265/Aqueon-Aquarium-Water-Changer.aspx DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37354	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

You may need to check with the manufacturer of the mincycline casules you are using to make sure they are 100 per cent drug and do not contain some fillers. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:48 PM, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Okay, I didn't think (or at least I hoped not) that anyone here would have given you that advice for Pop-Eye condition, but I can see your use for it now with trying to prevent wound infection. Good to see that you have Minocycline available to you. As yours is manufactured for human treatment, I must assume it's "medicinal quality," or pure Minocycline. If you can determine otherwise, please advise us; it would otherwise appear as though the 50mg capsules are most probably 100% Minocycline (50mg of Minocycline) activity. Treatment for Pop-Eye condition using Minocycline, one of the best medications of choice against this disease -- if it's bacterial, is a five (5) day treatment. Note, Pop-Eye condition can have other causes, including viral infection, but most often its caused by an Aeromonas bacteria (Pseudomonas punctata). Using 100% medicinal activity, the treatment calls for 20mg per 10 gallon for the first day (11mg per 5.5 gallons). For the second through the fifth day, 10mg per 10 gallons (5.5mg per 5.5 gallons) each day is to be used. To make things easier, I'd suggest dropping the water level to 5 gallons. Then, for the first day, you need 1/5 (10mg) of one of those 50mg capsules. For each of the 4 remaining days, you would need 1/10 (5mg) of one of those 50mg capsules -- provided those capsules are 100% activity. I point this out, as Mardel's Maracyn II (Minocycline) is advertised as having only 10% Minocycline activity -- but it's not manufactured for human treatment -- and is recommended at 10 X this doseage as a result of this. It's always best to remove the carbon from your filter with most any medication, to prevent its possible decrease in effectiveness. Some sources state that if the carbon has been in use for about a week that it's not necessary to take this step, but I would still recommend its removal during treatment. As is always prudent, at least a 25% PWC should be done before the start of any treatment, regardless of any treatments suggestion otherwise -- possibly saying it's not necessary. This will help ensure less stress on the fish due to any possible organic waste build-up. If you take water tests of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate just before medicating (as is always a good idea), and find your ammonia and ntrite to be "0" and your nitrate at least below 40ppm (and possibly lower), you really needn't do a preliminary PWC, but a moderate change out with fresh water always serves to stimulate the fish. During treatment, no PWC's are required. If by some chance at the end of the 5-day period, that this is not cured, you may re-treat the tank again one more time, after doing a minimum of a 33% PWC. I feel for the poor guy after reading your description of his trying to find his food. I can't say whether or not this will cure him, especially now that he's been like this for 6 months. Then too, it could have another cause (such as a virus I mentioned), but it's worth a try, and this is one of the best medications you can use against a bacterial infection causing this. Please note though, that Pop-Eye is not always cureable. Best of luck with him. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray > Actually, I decided to put salt by myself because the swelling > around the eye was wounded, the skin was open, and I was afraid of > infections. > > We have "Minocycline" available in 50 and 100mg capsules, > manifactured for human treatment, I can just open the capsule in the > quarantine tank. What is the recommended dose for 5.5 US Gallons? > Should I remove activated carbon from the bubble up filter during the > treatment? What are the exact steps concerning the repetition of the > dose and PWCs? > > The fish sees with his eye, the other eye is slightly popped too, but > he became squint-eyed! He snaps his food about half an inch away from > the actual piece of food!! poor guy! But manages to catch it > eventually.Do you think he can be cured? > > Thanks for the advice > Noura > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back to > > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting it -- > > > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. > Was > > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- and > > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near > you. > > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, > you > > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure cure, > > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, > use > > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). If > > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37355	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout the week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I see them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this point, he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an auction with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, only told me what they were. My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I may be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was told freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine shrimp > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding these > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs to > the fish? > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine shrimp > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down to > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > swords), > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. One > has a > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of the > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from said > they > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't even > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > over > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they are > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try dropping > in a > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will go > after > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food too, > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking pellets > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > handled > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try scraping > the > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we kind of > knew > > > would > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but then > you > > > weren't > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing because of > the > > > extra > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you add > more and > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the meantime, > it's > > > good > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals until > you > > > finally > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > grow for him > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > tonight I > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him to > eat but > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left behind > since I > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have an > acrylic > > > tank. > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > algae kind of > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the substrate > or maybe > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made aufwuchs > rocks, but > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, it > probably > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane so > at least > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now close > to 3" long > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been able > to > > > clean my > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > panes > > > myself, > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > can manage. > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". Are > they > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers so > they don't > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying on > top > > > of your > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like more > > > herbivorous > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega One > Algae > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any until > you start > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae is > also > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing good? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > eating > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > forums of > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > UK), and > > > they > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > sinking pellets > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > pellets). > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > don't start > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of > them > > > in a > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is > enough to > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but > they > > > still > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 > weeks > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > have them > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > eggs, he > > > never > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > actively saw > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I > > > haven't done > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank > grows > > > algae > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures > cuz i > > > can't > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > they're > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > primary diet > > > > anyhow... > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > means "by the > > > > way" > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different > needs so > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I > do > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with > the > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > meant > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > NEVER gone > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > veggies, > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > algae go a > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty > busy > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing > like > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > more > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much > about > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their > finger > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > eating > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches > to eat > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no > soap, > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix > dried > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) > But I > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > should put > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the > tank if > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and > try to > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > move ;) > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > loaches will > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them > eat > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy > about > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > but that > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > build up > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > wanted to > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > they're > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37356	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to order it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, unless you feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For shipping, they will place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which generally lasts at least up to 36 hours (you could tell them your distance and request them going heavy on the frozen CO2). Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched BBS (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, also offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer then at least it will supplement their algae. Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they browse the egg coating. I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard bottom to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it just may make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food <g>, if you do try it. The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have made a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack (LOL). Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would you rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as fresh nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the zucchini slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut squash (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much food value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout the > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I see > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this point, > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an auction > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine shrimp > eggs, only told me what they were. > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I may > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was told > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine shrimp > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding these > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs to > > the fish? > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine shrimp > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down to > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > swords), > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. One > > has a > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of the > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from said > > they > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't even > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > > over > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they are > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try dropping > > in a > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will go > > after > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food too, > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking pellets > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > > handled > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try scraping > > the > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we kind of > > knew > > > > would > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but then > > you > > > > weren't > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing because of > > the > > > > extra > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you add > > more and > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the meantime, > > it's > > > > good > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals until > > you > > > > finally > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > > grow for him > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > > tonight I > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him to > > eat but > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left behind > > since I > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have an > > acrylic > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > algae kind of > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the substrate > > or maybe > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made aufwuchs > > rocks, but > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, it > > probably > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane so > > at least > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now close > > to 3" long > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been able > > to > > > > clean my > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > > panes > > > > myself, > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > > can manage. > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". Are > > they > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers so > > they don't > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying on > > top > > > > of your > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like more > > > > herbivorous > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega One > > Algae > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any until > > you start > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae is > > also > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing good? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > eating > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > > forums of > > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > > UK), and > > > > they > > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > > sinking pellets > > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > > pellets). > > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > > don't start > > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that 6 of > > them > > > > in a > > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), is > > enough to > > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, but > > they > > > > still > > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them for 6 > > weeks > > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > > have them > > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > > eggs, he > > > > never > > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > > actively saw > > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since I > > > > haven't done > > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the tank > > grows > > > > algae > > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more pictures > > cuz i > > > > can't > > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > > they're > > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > > primary diet > > > > > anyhow... > > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > > means "by the > > > > > way" > > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have different > > needs so > > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed them. I > > do > > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they were > > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check with > > the > > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > > meant > > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish that > > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > > NEVER gone > > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > > veggies, > > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > > algae go a > > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still plenty > > busy > > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's growing > > like > > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > > more > > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought much > > about > > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it still > > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams their > > finger > > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > eating > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream loaches > > to eat > > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher (no > > soap, > > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg mix > > dried > > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the rocks ;) > > But I > > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > > should put > > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up the > > tank if > > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers and > > try to > > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > > move ;) > > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if it's > > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > > loaches will > > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of them > > eat > > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as shy > > about > > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > > but that > > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > > build up > > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > > wanted to > > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > > they're > > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37357	From: Darlene	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Fw: [AquaticLife] Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . .

the vegetable soup and stews are sooooooooo good, will be making one today or tomorrow :)))) all this talk of veggies is making me crave some LOLOLOL Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . Hey now!!! I'm a member of the VRA... "Vegetable Right's Activist"... so I better not catch you eating any vegetables. Just imagine being violently pulled from your home, chopped up into pieces, thrown into a boiling pot of water and then eaten by them so-called peace-loving, earth-loving vegans... they're vicious I tell you... pure vicious! Now go forth and eat some meat... but leave them defenseless vegetables alone. At least meaty foods have a way of fleeing and/or defending themselves. The poor plants and vegetables are stuck to the ground and then just violently killed with no chance of defending themselves or fleeing their malicious vegan attackers. <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Am I a Bad Fish Mom if . . . Please don't be sad. I don't think I could eat fish in front of my fishies, either, even though I feed them fish in the form of their Omega One food. But then I do eat mammals in front of my pet mammals and it doesn't seem to bother them at all. I do so wish I had the self discipline to go vegan. I've jokingly told my fishies that I'm going to re-name them Sushi1, Sushi2, and Sushi3, after that AOL commercial, but they seem to know they've become family members. They just waggle at me and say, "Sure, Mom, now hand over the fish food." DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> Actually, now that I have fish... I find I am the opposite. My 55 Gallon is in the Dining room directly next to the kitchen; so my fish see me when I eat. Thus, I have a hard time eating fish nowadays. If I eat any fish (rarely) it's tuna or Salmon - but that is it! Even then, I feel bad. And I cannot eat Talapia, because I know that they might somehow be related to my beloved Cichlids. That makes me sad that your fishes make you hungry. Like they say in "Finding Nemo" "FISH ARE FRIENDS, NOT FOOD!" -gail (30 fish and counting) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37358	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Ammonia was between .5 and 1 ppm at 24 hours. Nitites were 0ppm and I did not bother to read the nitrates that I knew were thru thr roof. I do not have the GH / KH test kits - I will have to order them. I just have the "master" test kit from API that does not include them. They should come out with a deluxe master test kit that has everything you need... I know that the water is hard, as the mineral deposits from evaporation will attest to. My PH is the 8.8 I did a 90% water change. I added ammonia to 4 ppm. And I will see what the tests say during the week. The water I changed with was 73 degrees as that was my office temp today. The tank is normally 78 degrees. So I may have shocked the bacteria some with the temp change. I find it impossible to do everything perfect. I know I will not be allowed to have 5 gal. buckets of water with heaters in them, just not going to happen here at work. I figure when I do water changes when I have fish I will just add a gal. at a time back in and do that slowlly. 25% change is 3 gal. Should not be too hard. On 2/13/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Let us know the next test results. I want to rule out a mis-test > first... > or did you re-test it when you got the 1.0ppm level? > > If you did, then do you know your GH/KH... mainly KH levels? I have seen > instances where the KH level would get too low during a fishless cycle and > that would cause a stall in the ammonia nitrifying bacteria. Usually, a PWC > would cure it, but some folks would have to dose with some form of KH > booster (baking soda, etc.) from the start if they had low KH water to > start > with... or do regular PWC's throughout the fishless cycle. KH (aka Carbon) > is the building block of life on this planet... not sure about them Martian > fish though... so if there is not enough carbon source in the water, life > does not build. > > I'm not sure I agree with your staggered stocking schedule though. The > purpose of fishless cycling is to prepare the tank for a full bioload of > juvi fish.. in other words, if your fishless cycle is processing 4-5ppm of > ammonia each day, then it's ready for a full bioload of fish. If you only > add a few fish, you will just see the big colony of N-bacteria, that you > spent weeks building, die off without enough ammonia each day. Then when > you add more fish every few weeks, you may see a mini-cycle as they build > back up to handle the immediately increasing bioload from the new fish. > Most of the time, this mini-cycle is inconsequential but since you > mentioned > you were going to do this because you were worried about the fragility of > the dwarf gourami, so you may want to re-think your staggered stocking. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:16 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria without food > > OK, now I am completely stumped. My Nitrites went to 0! WhoHoo! But for > ages my ammonia would drop to 0 in 24 hours, this time it did not, measured > 1 ppm? And the Nitrates went thru the roof! 80 PPM > > So I raised the Ammonia to 4ppm again, and will wait 24 hours. I hope for a > 0 reading on both ammonia and nitrite. Then I can do the massive water > change and finally get my fish! If that is not the reading I get, I am not > sure what I will do. I have been thinking that I might just get the 6 > little fish and wait 2 weeks and get the catfish and wait 2 weeks and get > the dwarf gourami. Figure the dwarf is the most delicate of the bunch and > that way he would see the least problems... > > Like the buzzard in the cartoon says, "Patience my a$$, I'm gonna kill > something!" > > Harl > > On 2/10/09, William <dreammaker2623@... <dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and > > take care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can > > put in is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the > > bacteria grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With the > > fishless cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to about 4 > > PPM. If you have used gravel from an established tank or filter > > cartridges from an established tank in your new tank or even any other > > solid objects from an established tank in your new tank they will have > > the good bacteria to help jump start the cycling process. In theory if > > you added enough of the right kinds of bacteria to a new tank it could > > become instantly cycled but that is not practical in every case. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep > > adding > > > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I > > just let > > > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. > > It just > > > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because > > just > > > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours > > later, 0 > > > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the > > same speed > > > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I > > was at > > > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will > > check again > > > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or > > have to > > > re-develop. > > > > > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a > > great deal > > > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to > > others... > > > > > > > > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, > > they can > > > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good > > fishless cycling > > > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria > > > > without food > > > > > > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is > > treated with > > > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a > > high PH. > > > > on my tap water. > > > > > > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to 4 > > ppm and > > > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > > > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a > > couple of > > > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. > > Not sure > > > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the > > tank just > > > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was > > still 8 ppm > > > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still > > measures as it > > > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia > > is only > > > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that > > almost keeps > > > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. > > mark brought > > > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. > > I did not > > > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow > > and add > > > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again > > and see > > > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > > > > > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. > > Starting to > > > > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith > > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be > > positive > > > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! > > It is > > > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > > > > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising > > levels of > > > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium I've > > seen > > > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter > > products I > > > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. > > High > > > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom > > levels, > > > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the > > tank, yes. > > > > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > > > > bacteria without food > > > > > > > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. > > Mine says > > > > > wait > > > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and is > > just a > > > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No > > purple at > > > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be > > happening > > > > > with your tank water. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours > > absolutely > > > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more > > significant. > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria > > > > > without food > > > > > > > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am > > almost > > > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end > > up with > > > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When I > > test > > > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > > regent, > > > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > > goes > > > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is > > almost clear > > > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > > green. > > > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > > water, or > > > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be > > close... > > > > > > > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how > > long > > > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to > > change > > > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I > > thought > > > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. of > > 70+ F > > > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 > > hour trip > > > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > > add. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37359	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

Otocinclus would be perfect or you could try clown plecos or bushynose plecos. They all would be fine for betta tanks, but if you were looking for something that brings energy and excitement to your tank, then otocinclus will definitely do the job. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > What would be a good small algae eater that is compatible with a betta? > I have a male vt atm, in a tank of his own which is not the ideal set > up for him. But I need a tank divider for my 22gal before I can put him > in there. And I can't pick that up till next week. > But there is a build up of green algae in the main tank. And my one > golden mystery snail (which appears too be having baby snails) is not > doing it's job (I might have to fire it ) > Anyway, any suggestions would be great. Thanks. > I was thinking a ottocinclus? > > Thanks > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37360	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I did some research for you, a website called LoachesOnline.com and they said to just let there be a build up of algae, and the hillstream's will take care of the rest for you. It also said that they like to be at a lower temp than most tropicals. So I would suggest stop adding the sinking pellets because maybe the algae is growing faster than the loaches can eat it, and maybe lowering the temp in the tank may encourage them to eat more, but I dont know.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37361	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly

There is a website that I went on for you, and there was someone with a similar problem, www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/severumfaqs.htm Hopefully the answer given can help you better than I can, Good Luck!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37362	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: african clawed frog escapee

I had a similar story except my frog didn't make it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37363	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

OK. With your really hard water, you should have sufficient KH levels as well... although there is always a possibility of having hard water with low KH. If your pH has been sustaining itself during the fishless cycle, then that likely confirms that your KH is high also as a low KH could have resulted in a pH reduction and possibly even a crash. It probably was the sudden drop in temperature since it's best to fishless cycle with warmer water. Your plan to slowly add in the cooler water, once you have fish, is probably not necessary since a 25% PWC with 5F difference water will only result in a 1.66F change in temperature which is an acceptable range... but if you only want to do 1G at a time, that would be even safer. You could probably do 1G every 10 minutes and the fish would easily acclimate to the lowering temp every 10 minutes since it would only be less than .5F with each 1G. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food Ammonia was between .5 and 1 ppm at 24 hours. Nitites were 0ppm and I did not bother to read the nitrates that I knew were thru thr roof. I do not have the GH / KH test kits - I will have to order them. I just have the "master" test kit from API that does not include them. They should come out with a deluxe master test kit that has everything you need... I know that the water is hard, as the mineral deposits from evaporation will attest to. My PH is the 8.8 I did a 90% water change. I added ammonia to 4 ppm. And I will see what the tests say during the week. The water I changed with was 73 degrees as that was my office temp today. The tank is normally 78 degrees. So I may have shocked the bacteria some with the temp change. I find it impossible to do everything perfect. I know I will not be allowed to have 5 gal. buckets of water with heaters in them, just not going to happen here at work. I figure when I do water changes when I have fish I will just add a gal. at a time back in and do that slowlly. 25% change is 3 gal. Should not be too hard. On 2/13/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Let us know the next test results. I want to rule out a mis-test > first... > or did you re-test it when you got the 1.0ppm level? > > If you did, then do you know your GH/KH... mainly KH levels? I have > seen instances where the KH level would get too low during a fishless > cycle and that would cause a stall in the ammonia nitrifying bacteria. > Usually, a PWC would cure it, but some folks would have to dose with > some form of KH booster (baking soda, etc.) from the start if they had > low KH water to start with... or do regular PWC's throughout the > fishless cycle. KH (aka Carbon) is the building block of life on this > planet... not sure about them Martian fish though... so if there is > not enough carbon source in the water, life does not build. > > I'm not sure I agree with your staggered stocking schedule though. The > purpose of fishless cycling is to prepare the tank for a full bioload > of juvi fish.. in other words, if your fishless cycle is processing > 4-5ppm of ammonia each day, then it's ready for a full bioload of > fish. If you only add a few fish, you will just see the big colony of > N-bacteria, that you spent weeks building, die off without enough > ammonia each day. Then when you add more fish every few weeks, you may > see a mini-cycle as they build back up to handle the immediately increasing bioload from the new fish. > Most of the time, this mini-cycle is inconsequential but since you > mentioned you were going to do this because you were worried about the > fragility of the dwarf gourami, so you may want to re-think your > staggered stocking. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Harl Myers > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:16 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria without food > > OK, now I am completely stumped. My Nitrites went to 0! WhoHoo! But > for ages my ammonia would drop to 0 in 24 hours, this time it did not, > measured > 1 ppm? And the Nitrates went thru the roof! 80 PPM > > So I raised the Ammonia to 4ppm again, and will wait 24 hours. I hope > for a 0 reading on both ammonia and nitrite. Then I can do the massive > water change and finally get my fish! If that is not the reading I > get, I am not sure what I will do. I have been thinking that I might > just get the 6 little fish and wait 2 weeks and get the catfish and > wait 2 weeks and get the dwarf gourami. Figure the dwarf is the most > delicate of the bunch and that way he would see the least problems... > > Like the buzzard in the cartoon says, "Patience my a$$, I'm gonna kill > something!" > > Harl > > On 2/10/09, William <dreammaker2623@... > <dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and > > take care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can > > put in is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the > > bacteria grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With > > the fishless cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to > > about 4 PPM. If you have used gravel from an established tank or > > filter cartridges from an established tank in your new tank or even > > any other solid objects from an established tank in your new tank > > they will have the good bacteria to help jump start the cycling > > process. In theory if you added enough of the right kinds of > > bacteria to a new tank it could become instantly cycled but that is not practical in every case. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > > > > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep > > adding > > > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I > > just let > > > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. > > It just > > > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because > > just > > > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours > > later, 0 > > > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the > > same speed > > > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I > > was at > > > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will > > check again > > > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or > > have to > > > re-develop. > > > > > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a > > great deal > > > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to > > others... > > > > > > > > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, > > they can > > > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good > > fishless cycling > > > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - > > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria > > > > without food > > > > > > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is > > treated with > > > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a > > high PH. > > > > on my tap water. > > > > > > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to > > > > 4 > > ppm and > > > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = > > > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a > > couple of > > > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. > > Not sure > > > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the > > tank just > > > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was > > still 8 ppm > > > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still > > measures as it > > > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia > > is only > > > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that > > almost keeps > > > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. > > mark brought > > > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. > > I did not > > > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow > > and add > > > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again > > and see > > > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. > > > > > > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. > > Starting to > > > > prepare for fish at last! :o) > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith > > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be > > positive > > > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! > > It is > > > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? > > > > > > > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising > > levels of > > > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium > > > > > I've > > seen > > > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter > > products I > > > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. > > High > > > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom > > levels, > > > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the > > tank, yes. > > > > > But only once did I see purple color. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Donna Ransome" > > > > > <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> > > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit > > > > > - bacteria without food > > > > > > > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. > > Mine says > > > > > wait > > > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and > > > > > is > > just a > > > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No > > purple at > > > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be > > happening > > > > > with your tank water. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours > > absolutely > > > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more > > significant. > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > > bacteria > > > > > without food > > > > > > > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am > > almost > > > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end > > up with > > > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When > > > > > I > > test > > > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the > > regent, > > > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent > > goes > > > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is > > almost clear > > > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns > > green. > > > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap > > water, or > > > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be > > close... > > > > > > > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how > > long > > > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to > > change > > > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I > > thought > > > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. > > > > > of > > 70+ F > > > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 > > hour trip > > > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and > > add.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37364	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37365	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Betta companions

I have an otocinclus with mine. I also have 3 rasbora hex's and 5 neon tetras. The betta was already in the tank by himself when I added them. Meringue (the betta) was a 'ho-hum' kind of fellow until I added in his tank mates. Now he can't seem to figure out who he wants to swim over and gawk at. He loves to watch them but has never stalked or chased them. It's only been like a week, though. But so far, so good! There are live plants and 3 different ornamentals with cave areas as well. The oto is awesome. One of my favorites in there. I didn't expect him to be so animated. I didn't realize I should have gotten more than one. But having a 10g right now, I think I'd be overstocking if added in anymore tadpole sized friends. Am I right? They are mostly under an inch long but I think they are babies. My betta is super tiny but seems quite mature with that SUPER long flowing tail. It's longer than the tail on the betta I've had for nearly 3 yrs, if that means anything. Can I put silver dollars in with a betta? In looking to get that larger aquarium, I'm trying to plot my stocking of it. The older betta I have is over 3" and, though alone, appears to be more aggressive. He will even nip me, love him as I do. He displays at the slightest movement. I know I can't put him with just anyone. Someone he won't pick on and someone who won't nip his fins. If I dont' discover tank mates, I can continue to house him alone in a 10g planted tank with his pet mystery snail. It may sound odd but he's gotten worse since I stocked this tank with the fast moving little ones. He is kept directly accross from this tank so they are in full view all the time, though about 6' apart. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37366	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Auctions are usually put on by clubs but non-members are usually welcome to buy and sell for a small fee. If you live in NY-NJ I can give you some upcoming auctions, but elsewhere just google aquarium clubs. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37367	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: a 55 gallon hex

so I have some reptile cages to get rid of and have been unable to sell them. someone is looking to trade a 55 gallon hex tank for a large reptile cage. not that I want a tank, but at least it takes up less space than the cage, so I replied. I'm waiting to hear back. I consider hex tanks to be pretty much useless and am now trying to decide what i would use it for. Would making it my first venture into a planted aquarium be a good use do you think? erika wilmington,de, usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37368	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

A 55 gallon hex is ok, what you have to know is what types of fish don't need to have much swimming room. Such as Angelfish, or discus which require a tall tank opposed to a long one, and some plants maybe one or two pleco types and you should be ok, with plants. Well, as long as you don't over do it with plants.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37369	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Thanks but, I live in Virginia, now if they have some pretty rare types, like brunei beautis, or killifish, then I might consider it. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Auctions are usually put on by clubs but non-members are usually welcome to > buy and sell for a small fee. > > > > If you live in NY-NJ I can give you some upcoming auctions, but elsewhere > just google aquarium clubs. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37370	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

A mated pair of angelfish as the primary display fish (buy five or six to start, with the agreement with your LFS that you will return the extras as soon as you have a pair) in a well planted tank and then some smaller fish to kind of fill things in. The height of the hex55 will give the angelfish a chance to really grow into their fins. You'll have to spend a little money on upgrading the lighting even if you go with really easy to grow plants as most hex55's do not come with adequate lighting for a planted tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a 55 gallon hex so I have some reptile cages to get rid of and have been unable to sell them. someone is looking to trade a 55 gallon hex tank for a large reptile cage. not that I want a tank, but at least it takes up less space than the cage, so I replied. I'm waiting to hear back. I consider hex tanks to be pretty much useless and am now trying to decide what i would use it for. Would making it my first venture into a planted aquarium be a good use do you think? erika wilmington,de, usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37371	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Pretty much all auctions are held by clubs or umbrella organizations. While club membership is normally not required, you may want to join a club local to you for the benefits you may receive with your membership, like monthly meetings with speakers on various topics that are pertinent to the hobby, making a wider circle of fish friends, the club's publication, etc. So, the first order of business is to find a club near you. Once you have done that, using Google, or other resources that have been mentioned here, visit their web site. Somewhere on the web site will be an announcements section or a calendar. Here, they should list upcoming auctions, meetings, shows, and other fishy events. Pick the events you wish to go to and place them on your calendar. If you are traveling, you can look up clubs in the area you will be visiting, and perhaps they will be having an event you would be interested in attending (it's never really worked for me--usually I just miss the event by days one way or another). \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > va22_vyshys > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37372	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

If you are in northern VA, then the Potomac Valley Aquarium Society (www.pvas.com) would be the place to go. Here are some events listed on their calendar: March 6-8 The Carolina Aquarium Workshop XXV, Raleigh Aquarium Society, Raleigh, NC March 20-22 Catfish Study Group, Annual Convention Lancashire, England March 20-22 NEC's 34th Annual Convention, Farmington, CT April 19 GPASI Spring Auction, Gibsonia, PA April 23-26 ALA Convention, Indianapolis, IN April 26 All-Day Spring Auction, Marshall Road Elementary, Vienna, VA May 22-25 AKA Convention, Portland, OR Granted, some of these events are a bit far afield, but if you are a catfish nut, Lancashire, England may be doable <g>. The Carolina Aquarium Workshop is a worthy event (www.ralieghaquariumsociety.org), but I'll be passing on that this year because it is too close to the NEC event (northeastcouncil.org) this year, where I'll be, along with several others from this list. The NEC is one of, if not the, premier events in this country. Speakers beg to be invited to speak there, and some come anyway, even if they have not been invited to speak. You will note that they have two auctions, on, this year, for plants only, the other will be mostly fish. Believe me, you'll see a lot of fish that you will not see in Virginia. GPASI is the organization in the Pittsburg, PA area, and while I've not been there in several years, they have had, in the past, a great organization, and know how to put on an event. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > va22_vyshys > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > Thanks but, I live in Virginia, now if they have some pretty rare > types, like brunei beautis, or killifish, then I might consider it. > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> > wrote: > > > > Auctions are usually put on by clubs but non-members are usually > welcome to > > buy and sell for a small fee. > > > > > > > > If you live in NY-NJ I can give you some upcoming auctions, but > elsewhere > > just google aquarium clubs. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > > > > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there > like a > > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

I think if one travels from the States to England for a Catfish Study Group, one would be more than just a catfish nut... they would be certifiable nut. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s If you are in northern VA, then the Potomac Valley Aquarium Society (www.pvas.com) would be the place to go. Here are some events listed on their calendar: March 6-8 The Carolina Aquarium Workshop XXV, Raleigh Aquarium Society, Raleigh, NC March 20-22 Catfish Study Group, Annual Convention Lancashire, England March 20-22 NEC's 34th Annual Convention, Farmington, CT April 19 GPASI Spring Auction, Gibsonia, PA April 23-26 ALA Convention, Indianapolis, IN April 26 All-Day Spring Auction, Marshall Road Elementary, Vienna, VA May 22-25 AKA Convention, Portland, OR Granted, some of these events are a bit far afield, but if you are a catfish nut, Lancashire, England may be doable <g>. The Carolina Aquarium Workshop is a worthy event (www.ralieghaquariumsociety.org), but I'll be passing on that this year because it is too close to the NEC event (northeastcouncil.org) this year, where I'll be, along with several others from this list. The NEC is one of, if not the, premier events in this country. Speakers beg to be invited to speak there, and some come anyway, even if they have not been invited to speak. You will note that they have two auctions, on, this year, for plants only, the other will be mostly fish. Believe me, you'll see a lot of fish that you will not see in Virginia. GPASI is the organization in the Pittsburg, PA area, and while I've not been there in several years, they have had, in the past, a great organization, and know how to put on an event. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > va22_vyshys > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > Thanks but, I live in Virginia, now if they have some pretty rare > types, like brunei beautis, or killifish, then I might consider it. > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> > wrote: > > > > Auctions are usually put on by clubs but non-members are usually > welcome to > > buy and sell for a small fee. > > > > > > > > If you live in NY-NJ I can give you some upcoming auctions, but > elsewhere > > just google aquarium clubs. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > > > > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there > like a > > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37374	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So unless they can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get here (that's the fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, just like when I asked if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I haven't tried zuccinni yet, I tried blanched kale so far (it was suggested on another forum). Right now I'm terrible poor until I get my tax refund back, but I will try something as soon as I have money again. I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the planted Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the hubby to make me a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some unhatched eggs from the previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering for me. I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly ;) Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to > order it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, > unless you feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For > shipping, they will place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which > generally lasts at least up to 36 hours (you could tell them your > distance and request them going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched > BBS (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, also > offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > browse the egg coating. > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard > bottom to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it > just may make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food > <g>, if you do try it. > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have made > a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > (LOL). > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would you > rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as fresh > nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the zucchini > slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut squash > (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much food > value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > the > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > see > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > point, > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > auction > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > shrimp > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I > may > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > told > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > > > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > > > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > > > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > shrimp > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > > > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding > these > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > to > > > the fish? > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > shrimp > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > > > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > > > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > > > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > > > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > > > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > > > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down > to > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > swords), > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > One > > > has a > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of > the > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > said > > > they > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > even > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > > > over > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > are > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > dropping > > > in a > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will > go > > > after > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > too, > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > pellets > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > > > handled > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > scraping > > > the > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > kind of > > > knew > > > > > would > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > then > > > you > > > > > weren't > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > because of > > > the > > > > > extra > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you > add > > > more and > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > meantime, > > > it's > > > > > good > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > until > > > you > > > > > finally > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > > > grow for him > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > > > tonight I > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him > to > > > eat but > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > behind > > > since I > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have > an > > > acrylic > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > algae kind of > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > substrate > > > or maybe > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > aufwuchs > > > rocks, but > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > it > > > probably > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane > so > > > at least > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > close > > > to 3" long > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > able > > > to > > > > > clean my > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > > > panes > > > > > myself, > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > Are > > > they > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > so > > > they don't > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying > on > > > top > > > > > of your > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > more > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > One > > > Algae > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > until > > > you start > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae > is > > > also > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > good? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > eating > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > > > forums of > > > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > > > UK), and > > > > > they > > > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > > > sinking pellets > > > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > > > pellets). > > > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > > > don't start > > > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that > 6 of > > > them > > > > > in a > > > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), > is > > > enough to > > > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, > but > > > they > > > > > still > > > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them > for 6 > > > weeks > > > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > > > have them > > > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > > > eggs, he > > > > > never > > > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > > > actively saw > > > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since > I > > > > > haven't done > > > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the > tank > > > grows > > > > > algae > > > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more > pictures > > > cuz i > > > > > can't > > > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > > > they're > > > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > > > primary diet > > > > > > anyhow... > > > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > > > means "by the > > > > > > way" > > > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have > different > > > needs so > > > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed > them. I > > > do > > > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they > were > > > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check > with > > > the > > > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > > > meant > > > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish > that > > > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > > > NEVER gone > > > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > > > veggies, > > > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > > > algae go a > > > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still > plenty > > > busy > > > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's > growing > > > like > > > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > > > more > > > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought > much > > > about > > > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it > still > > > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams > their > > > finger > > > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > eating > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream > loaches > > > to eat > > > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher > (no > > > soap, > > > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg > mix > > > dried > > > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the > rocks ;) > > > But I > > > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > > > should put > > > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up > the > > > tank if > > > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers > and > > > try to > > > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > > > move ;) > > > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if > it's > > > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > > > loaches will > > > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of > them > > > eat > > > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as > shy > > > about > > > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > > > but that > > > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > > > build up > > > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > > > wanted to > > > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > > > they're > > > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37375	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

The temp sits at 77-78, which is the higher range of their temps, but still within okay limits (a lot of other people in the UK keep them around this temp and they do very well, even have babies). I haven't fed them any algae wafers yet, but the tank does get some direct sunlight in the afternoons (when we actually do get sunshine, LOL), so that might be helping the algae build up a bit. I don't want to lower the temp too far, as I have them in with tropical fish and I want to have everyone as happy as possible. So far the Sewellia Lineolata's love to graze on all the algae and they keep very busy at it. The shell in the middle of the tank is usually VERY clean, it grows algae very well because it's a pale pink color and the lighter color decorations will grow algae faster than dark ones. I can actually watch them clean it off, there's usually a fight over it if another loach notices there's algae built up on the shell ;) They also don't share very well when they find something yummy, they will chase any other loach away really quickly. Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > I did some research for you, a website called LoachesOnline.com and > they said to just let there be a build up of algae, and the > hillstream's will take care of the rest for you. It also said that they > like to be at a lower temp than most tropicals. So I would suggest stop > adding the sinking pellets because maybe the algae is growing faster > than the loaches can eat it, and maybe lowering the temp in the tank > may encourage them to eat more, but I dont know. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37376	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Severum acting oddly

Thanks, I read through the site, but not sure if what he's doing is any of the topics listed. He's still eating quite well (too well, little pig, LOL), has no odd markings on his body. He's not acting aggressive, and when he is hiding, he doesn't hide for more than a few moments. I still think he's looking for fry to eat (either guppies or platy's, which are both in the tank). The angel's will often go into a hunting routine where they seem to be searching plants and decorations for small moving fry ;) I will keep an eye on him for now and see if anything changes. Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > There is a website that I went on for you, and there was someone with a > similar problem, > > www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/severumfaqs.htm > > Hopefully the answer given can help you better than I can, Good Luck!! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37377	From: pam andress	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Go to kingfishservices.net and then click on events and see if there is anything listed in your area. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: va22_vyshys@... Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:22:13 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s Thanks but, I live in Virginia, now if they have some pretty rare types, like brunei beautis, or killifish, then I might consider it. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > Auctions are usually put on by clubs but non-members are usually welcome to > buy and sell for a small fee. > > > > If you live in NY-NJ I can give you some upcoming auctions, but elsewhere > just google aquarium clubs. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Since when is CO2 a hazardous material? Does that mean you all can't breathe on the planes heading up there? <G> Dry ice is simply frozen CO2 and as it defrosts, it turns into unfrozen CO2... the same stuff we breathe out and plants breath in... unless they're making dry ice differently nowadays. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae... We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So unless they can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get here (that's the fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, just like when I asked if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I haven't tried zuccinni yet, I tried blanched kale so far (it was suggested on another forum). Right now I'm terrible poor until I get my tax refund back, but I will try something as soon as I have money again. I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the planted Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the hubby to make me a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some unhatched eggs from the previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering for me. I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly ;) Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to order > it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, unless you > feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For shipping, they will > place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which generally lasts at least > up to 36 hours (you could tell them your distance and request them > going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched BBS > (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, also > offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > browse the egg coating. > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard bottom > to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it just may > make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food <g>, if you > do try it. > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have made > a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > (LOL). > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would you > rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as fresh > nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the zucchini > slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut squash > (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much food > value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > the > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > see > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > point, > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > auction > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > shrimp > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I > may > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > told > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > > > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > > > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > > > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > shrimp > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > > > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding > these > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > to > > > the fish? > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > shrimp > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > > > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > > > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > > > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > > > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > > > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > > > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down > to > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > swords), > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > One > > > has a > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of > the > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > said > > > they > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > even > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > > > over > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > are > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > dropping > > > in a > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will > go > > > after > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > too, > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > pellets > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > > > handled > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > scraping > > > the > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > kind of > > > knew > > > > > would > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > then > > > you > > > > > weren't > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > because of > > > the > > > > > extra > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you > add > > > more and > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > meantime, > > > it's > > > > > good > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > until > > > you > > > > > finally > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > > > grow for him > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > > > tonight I > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him > to > > > eat but > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > behind > > > since I > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have > an > > > acrylic > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > algae kind of > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > substrate > > > or maybe > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > aufwuchs > > > rocks, but > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > it > > > probably > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane > so > > > at least > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > close > > > to 3" long > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > able > > > to > > > > > clean my > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > > > panes > > > > > myself, > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > Are > > > they > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > so > > > they don't > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying > on > > > top > > > > > of your > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > more > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > One > > > Algae > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > until > > > you start > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae > is > > > also > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > good? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > eating > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > > > forums of > > > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > > > UK), and > > > > > they > > > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > > > sinking pellets > > > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > > > pellets). > > > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > > > don't start > > > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that > 6 of > > > them > > > > > in a > > > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), > is > > > enough to > > > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, > but > > > they > > > > > still > > > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them > for 6 > > > weeks > > > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > > > have them > > > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > > > eggs, he > > > > > never > > > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > > > actively saw > > > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since > I > > > > > haven't done > > > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the > tank > > > grows > > > > > algae > > > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more > pictures > > > cuz i > > > > > can't > > > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > > > they're > > > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > > > primary diet > > > > > > anyhow... > > > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > > > means "by the > > > > > > way" > > > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have > different > > > needs so > > > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed > them. I > > > do > > > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they > were > > > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check > with > > > the > > > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > > > meant > > > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish > that > > > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > > > NEVER gone > > > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > > > veggies, > > > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > > > algae go a > > > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still > plenty > > > busy > > > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's > growing > > > like > > > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > > > more > > > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought > much > > > about > > > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it > still > > > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams > their > > > finger > > > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > > > Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > eating > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream > loaches > > > to eat > > > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher > (no > > > soap, > > > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg > mix > > > dried > > > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the > rocks ;) > > > But I > > > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > > > should put > > > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up > the > > > tank if > > > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers > and > > > try to > > > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > > > move ;) > > > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if > it's > > > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > > > loaches will > > > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of > them > > > eat > > > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as > shy > > > about > > > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > > > but that > > > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > > > build up > > > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > > > wanted to > > > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > > > they're > > > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37379	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

I know what it is... but Fed ex doesn't allow it on our planes into SE Alaska anymore. One person ruined it for everyone else by complaining, we have a limit normally about how much dry ice can go onto a plane, when that person was limited years ago they complained, so Fed ex took ALL dry ice shipping away. Just like someone to ruin it for the rest of us ;) For some reason they limit how much can go onto a plane, I think something about it can cause pressure differences? I'm not really sure, as I never asked why there was a limit, since we can't get it sent here at all now. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Since when is CO2 a hazardous material? Does that mean you all can't > breathe on the planes heading up there? <G> > > Dry ice is simply frozen CO2 and as it defrosts, it turns into unfrozen > CO2... the same stuff we breathe out and plants breath in... unless > they're > making dry ice differently nowadays. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > anything but algae... > > We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship > hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So > unless they > can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get here > (that's the > fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, just like when I > asked > if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I haven't tried zuccinni > yet, I > tried blanched kale so far (it was suggested on another forum). Right now > I'm terrible poor until I get my tax refund back, but I will try something > as soon as I have money again. > I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the planted > Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the hubby to > make me > a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some unhatched eggs from the > previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. > I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering > for me. > I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to > persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly ;) > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to order > > it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, unless you > > feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For shipping, they will > > place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which generally lasts at least > > up to 36 hours (you could tell them your distance and request them > > going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched BBS > > (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, also > > offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > > browse the egg coating. > > > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard bottom > > to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it just may > > make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food <g>, if you > > do try it. > > > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have made > > a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > > (LOL). > > > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would you > > rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as fresh > > nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the zucchini > > slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut squash > > (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much food > > value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > > the > > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > > see > > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > > point, > > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > > auction > > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > > shrimp > > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I > > may > > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > > told > > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > > > > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > > > > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > > > > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > > shrimp > > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > > > > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding > > these > > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > > to > > > > the fish? > > > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > > shrimp > > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > > > > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > > > > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > > > > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > > > > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > > > > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > > > > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down > > to > > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > > swords), > > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > > One > > > > has a > > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of > > the > > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > > said > > > > they > > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > > even > > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > > > > over > > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > > are > > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > > dropping > > > > in a > > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will > > go > > > > after > > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > > too, > > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > > pellets > > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > > > > handled > > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > > scraping > > > > the > > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > > kind of > > > > knew > > > > > > would > > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > > then > > > > you > > > > > > weren't > > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > > because of > > > > the > > > > > > extra > > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you > > add > > > > more and > > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > > meantime, > > > > it's > > > > > > good > > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > > until > > > > you > > > > > > finally > > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > > > > grow for him > > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > > > > tonight I > > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him > > to > > > > eat but > > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > > behind > > > > since I > > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have > > an > > > > acrylic > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > > algae kind of > > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > > substrate > > > > or maybe > > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > > aufwuchs > > > > rocks, but > > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > > it > > > > probably > > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane > > so > > > > at least > > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > > close > > > > to 3" long > > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > > able > > > > to > > > > > > clean my > > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > > > > panes > > > > > > myself, > > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > > Are > > > > they > > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > > so > > > > they don't > > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying > > on > > > > top > > > > > > of your > > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > > more > > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > > One > > > > Algae > > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > > until > > > > you start > > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae > > is > > > > also > > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > > good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > > eating > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > > > > forums of > > > > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > > > > UK), and > > > > > > they > > > > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > > > > sinking pellets > > > > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > > > > pellets). > > > > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > > > > don't start > > > > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that > > 6 of > > > > them > > > > > > in a > > > > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), > > is > > > > enough to > > > > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, > > but > > > > they > > > > > > still > > > > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them > > for 6 > > > > weeks > > > > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > > > > have them > > > > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > > > > eggs, he > > > > > > never > > > > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > > > > actively saw > > > > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since > > I > > > > > > haven't done > > > > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the > > tank > > > > grows > > > > > > algae > > > > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more > > pictures > > > > cuz i > > > > > > can't > > > > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > > > > they're > > > > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > > > > primary diet > > > > > > > anyhow... > > > > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > > > > means "by the > > > > > > > way" > > > > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have > > different > > > > needs so > > > > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed > > them. I > > > > do > > > > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they > > were > > > > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > > > > meant > > > > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish > > that > > > > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > > > > NEVER gone > > > > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > > > > veggies, > > > > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > > > > algae go a > > > > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still > > plenty > > > > busy > > > > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's > > growing > > > > like > > > > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > > > > more > > > > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought > > much > > > > about > > > > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it > > still > > > > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams > > their > > > > finger > > > > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under > > > > Labels > > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > > eating > > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream > > loaches > > > > to eat > > > > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher > > (no > > > > soap, > > > > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg > > mix > > > > dried > > > > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the > > rocks ;) > > > > But I > > > > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > > > > should put > > > > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up > > the > > > > tank if > > > > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers > > and > > > > try to > > > > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > > > > move ;) > > > > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if > > it's > > > > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > > > > loaches will > > > > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of > > them > > > > eat > > > > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as > > shy > > > > about > > > > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > > > > but that > > > > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > > > > build up > > > > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > > > > wanted to > > > > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > > > > they're > > > > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37380	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

As far as that goes, we JUST got back alcohol shipping about a year and a half ago because I fought with fed ex to have it allowed into Ketchikan. We now have regular alcoholic(s) shipments ;) LOL (yes I typed it that way on purpose, as we now have "regulars" that get alcohol every couple of weeks). Someone also complained years ago about it, and they took all Alcohol shipments away from us, LOL I'm not sure if I want to fight the dry ice policy just yet ;) For some reason I'm the only courier in SE that actually asks why things are the way they are, and why we can't change them ;) LOL. Oh well, things are going in the right direction so far, I just nudge a little when I think it needs to be done ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I know what it is... but Fed ex doesn't allow it on our planes into SE > Alaska anymore. One person ruined it for everyone else by complaining, > we have a limit normally about how much dry ice can go onto a plane, > when that person was limited years ago they complained, so Fed ex took > ALL dry ice shipping away. Just like someone to ruin it for the rest of > us ;) > For some reason they limit how much can go onto a plane, I think > something about it can cause pressure differences? I'm not really sure, > as I never asked why there was a limit, since we can't get it sent here > at all now. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Since when is CO2 a hazardous material? Does that mean you all can't > > breathe on the planes heading up there? <G> > > > > Dry ice is simply frozen CO2 and as it defrosts, it turns into unfrozen > > CO2... the same stuff we breathe out and plants breath in... unless > > they're > > making dry ice differently nowadays. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > eating > > anything but algae... > > > > We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship > > hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So > > unless they > > can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get here > > (that's the > > fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, just like when I > > asked > > if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I haven't tried zuccinni > > yet, I > > tried blanched kale so far (it was suggested on another forum). > Right now > > I'm terrible poor until I get my tax refund back, but I will try > something > > as soon as I have money again. > > I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the planted > > Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the hubby to > > make me > > a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some unhatched eggs from the > > previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. > > I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering > > for me. > > I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to > > persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > > > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to order > > > it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, unless you > > > feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For shipping, they will > > > place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which generally lasts at least > > > up to 36 hours (you could tell them your distance and request them > > > going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > > > > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched BBS > > > (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, also > > > offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > > > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > > > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > > > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > > > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > > > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > > > > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > > > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > > > browse the egg coating. > > > > > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > > > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > > > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > > > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > > > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > > > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > > > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > > > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard bottom > > > to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it just may > > > make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food <g>, if you > > > do try it. > > > > > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have made > > > a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > > > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > > > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > > > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > > > (LOL). > > > > > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would you > > > rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as fresh > > > nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the zucchini > > > slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut squash > > > (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much food > > > value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > > > the > > > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > > > see > > > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > > > point, > > > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > > > auction > > > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > > > shrimp > > > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, I > > > may > > > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > > > told > > > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty foods > > > > > (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want to give > > > > > frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse frozen > > > > > bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > > > shrimp > > > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also remember > > > > > your having problems with having him get back to you on feeding > > > these > > > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > > > to > > > > > the fish? > > > > > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > > > shrimp > > > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be hatched > > > > > for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) the fish > > > > > may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, they are > > > > > getting very little food value from them. As I'm guessing you may > > > > > not want to go to that bother of hatching them, you can buy frozen > > > > > HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San Francisco Bay brand), > > > > > ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure a way to get this down > > > to > > > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > > > swords), > > > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > > > One > > > > > has a > > > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some of > > > the > > > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > > > said > > > > > they > > > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > > > even > > > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do drift > > > > > over > > > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > > > are > > > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > > > dropping > > > > > in a > > > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies will > > > go > > > > > after > > > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > > > too, > > > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > > > pellets > > > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of long > > > > > handled > > > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > > > scraping > > > > > the > > > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > > > kind of > > > > > knew > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > > > then > > > > > you > > > > > > > weren't > > > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > > > because of > > > > > the > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As you > > > add > > > > > more and > > > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > > > meantime, > > > > > it's > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > > > until > > > > > you > > > > > > > finally > > > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had let > > > > > grow for him > > > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so and > > > > > tonight I > > > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for him > > > to > > > > > eat but > > > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > > > behind > > > > > since I > > > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I have > > > an > > > > > acrylic > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > > > algae kind of > > > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > > > substrate > > > > > or maybe > > > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > > > aufwuchs > > > > > rocks, but > > > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > > > it > > > > > probably > > > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front pane > > > so > > > > > at least > > > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > > > close > > > > > to 3" long > > > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > > > able > > > > > to > > > > > > > clean my > > > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning the > > > > > panes > > > > > > > myself, > > > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level he > > > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > > > Are > > > > > they > > > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > > > so > > > > > they don't > > > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are staying > > > on > > > > > top > > > > > > > of your > > > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > > > more > > > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > > > One > > > > > Algae > > > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > > > until > > > > > you start > > > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The algae > > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > > > good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:00 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > > > eating > > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Sewellia Lineolata's, I have seen pictures on the loach > > > > > forums of > > > > > > > people feeding them some sort of sinking pellets (over in the > > > > > UK), and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > seem to enjoy them. But I can't get mine to eat any of the > > > > > sinking pellets > > > > > > > that I've tried (sinking carnivore pellets, and sinking shrimp > > > > > pellets). > > > > > > > I just wanted to make sure they're getting enough to eat and > > > > > don't start > > > > > > > starving to death, that was my main worry. If you think that > > > 6 of > > > > > them > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > 6 foot tank (that's a square foot a piece for algae growth), > > > is > > > > > enough to > > > > > > > sustain them then I won't worry so much. > > > > > > > I tried double checking with the person who sent me the fish, > > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > haven't gotten back to me. All he said was that he had them > > > for 6 > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > prior to sending them out (maybe 7 because I waited a week to > > > > > have them > > > > > > > sent), and he was feeding them the decapsulated brine shrimp > > > > > eggs, he > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > said how or if they were the only fish in the tank, or if he > > > > > actively saw > > > > > > > them eating it ;) There's plenty of algae growth though since > > > I > > > > > > > haven't done > > > > > > > any algae scraping in a couple of weeks (is it sad that the > > > tank > > > > > grows > > > > > > > algae > > > > > > > that fast or is that normal? LOL) I can't take any more > > > pictures > > > > > cuz i > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > see the fish through the green algae ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember there's lots of aufwuchs growing in/on the algae so > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > getting more than just algae and I thought that was their > > > > > primary diet > > > > > > > > anyhow... > > > > > > > > isn't it? Which species do you have BTW? (BTW, Bill, BTW > > > > > means "by the > > > > > > > > way" > > > > > > > > ;D) Like most fish, I'm sure different species have > > > different > > > > > needs so > > > > > > > > that might make a difference as to what you should feed > > > them. I > > > > > do > > > > > > > > remember that the breeder you bought these from said they > > > were > > > > > > > > accepting man-made foods so maybe you should double check > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > breeder that these actual fish were accepting it or maybe he > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > this species normally accepts man-made foods (most fish do > > > > > > > > eventually). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My little Clown Pleco, which is a mostly herbivorous fish > > > that > > > > > > > > primarily eats algae, but for over six months now, also has > > > > > NEVER gone > > > > > > > > for the algae wafers or other foods (zucchini slices, other > > > > > veggies, > > > > > > > > etc.) that I've tried to feed him. Like you, I did let the > > > > > algae go a > > > > > > > > little crazy in my tank before adding him so he's still > > > plenty > > > > > busy > > > > > > > > eating the algae and gnawing on the driftwood and he's > > > growing > > > > > like > > > > > > > > crazy for a little guy but I was sure hoping to get a little > > > > > more > > > > > > > > protein rich foods in him but then I never really thought > > > much > > > > > about > > > > > > > > all of the protein from aufwuchs... like I said before, it > > > still > > > > > > > > sounds like the uttered words one screams when one slams > > > their > > > > > finger > > > > > > > > in a door. LOL (Laughing Out Loud, Bill ;-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > > > Labels > > > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:35 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > > > > eating > > > > > > > > anything but algae... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've tried everything I can to get my hillstream > > > loaches > > > > > to eat > > > > > > > > something other than the algae. I even managed to find some > > > > > > > > landscaping pieces of slate that I washed in the dishwasher > > > (no > > > > > soap, > > > > > > > > etc), and I have been switching out the rocks with the egg > > > mix > > > > > dried > > > > > > > > on it. So far the platy's, guppies, and ram's LOVE the > > > rocks ;) > > > > > But I > > > > > > > > can't get the loaches to take any notice of them. Perhaps I > > > > > should put > > > > > > > > in a couple of them at once? I didn't want it to cloud up > > > the > > > > > tank if > > > > > > > > I put in too many dried egg covered rocks. > > > > > > > > I've come to the conclusion that guppies are mass foragers > > > and > > > > > try to > > > > > > > > eat anything, even if it doesn't look like food and doesn't > > > > > move ;) > > > > > > > > They have to check out anything I put in the tank to see if > > > it's > > > > > > > > edible, LOL. > > > > > > > > I've also put extra food in at feeding time to see if the > > > > > loaches will > > > > > > > > find any of the sinking food, but I have yet to see one of > > > them > > > > > eat > > > > > > > > anything I put in the tank for them. > > > > > > > > They're still quite active, thankfully they're no longer as > > > shy > > > > > about > > > > > > > > movement on the sides of the tank (I don't scare them away), > > > > > but that > > > > > > > > could be because it's hard to see in the tank from the algae > > > > > build up > > > > > > > > on the front, LOL. I haven't scraped the algae off because I > > > > > wanted to > > > > > > > > leave it for them to forage on if that's the only food that > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > eating in the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37381	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

Well, on commercial airlines, cargo isn't in pressurized holds. I'm not sure if FEDEX pressurizes their entire planes but it would seem like they would just pressurize the area where the employees might be traveling. I just searched the FEDEX site and Dry Ice isn't considered hazardous, only dangerous.. LOL... which can also "include many common items such as nail polish, cologne, perfume and even airbags." http://fedex.com/us/customersupport/express/faq/technical/fsm/domintl.html#5 9 http://fedex.com/us/services/options/dangerousgoods/ TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER OR I WILL SPRAY THIS PERFUME ON YOU!!! And then the terrorist screams out "ELIZABETH TAYLOR'S WHITE DIAMONDS" as they impale themselves on their nail clippers. LOL UH OH.. I hope there aren't any terrorists in the group or they might take out a fatwah on me. :P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae... I know what it is... but Fed ex doesn't allow it on our planes into SE Alaska anymore. One person ruined it for everyone else by complaining, we have a limit normally about how much dry ice can go onto a plane, when that person was limited years ago they complained, so Fed ex took ALL dry ice shipping away. Just like someone to ruin it for the rest of us ;) For some reason they limit how much can go onto a plane, I think something about it can cause pressure differences? I'm not really sure, as I never asked why there was a limit, since we can't get it sent here at all now. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Since when is CO2 a hazardous material? Does that mean you all can't > breathe on the planes heading up there? <G> > > Dry ice is simply frozen CO2 and as it defrosts, it turns into > unfrozen CO2... the same stuff we breathe out and plants breath in... > unless they're making dry ice differently nowadays. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > eating anything but algae... > > We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship > hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So > unless they can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get > here (that's the fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, > just like when I asked if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I > haven't tried zuccinni yet, I tried blanched kale so far (it was > suggested on another forum). Right now I'm terrible poor until I get > my tax refund back, but I will try something as soon as I have money > again. > I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the > planted Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the > hubby to make me a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some > unhatched eggs from the previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. > I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering > for me. > I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to > persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly > ;) > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to > > order it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, > > unless you feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For > > shipping, they will place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which > > generally lasts at least up to 36 hours (you could tell them your > > distance and request them going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched > > BBS (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, > > also offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > > browse the egg coating. > > > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard > > bottom to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it > > just may make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food > > <g>, if you do try it. > > > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have > > made a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > > (LOL). > > > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would > > you rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as > > fresh nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the > > zucchini slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut > > squash (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much > > food value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > > the > > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > > see > > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > > point, > > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > > auction > > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > > shrimp > > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, > > > I > > may > > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > > told > > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty > > > > foods (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want > > > > to give frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse > > > > frozen bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > > shrimp > > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also > > > > remember your having problems with having him get back to you on > > > > feeding > > these > > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > > to > > > > the fish? > > > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > > shrimp > > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be > > > > hatched for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) > > > > the fish may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, > > > > they are getting very little food value from them. As I'm > > > > guessing you may not want to go to that bother of hatching them, > > > > you can buy frozen HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San > > > > Francisco Bay brand), ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure > > > > a way to get this down > > to > > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > > swords), > > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > > One > > > > has a > > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some > > > > > of > > the > > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > > said > > > > they > > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > > even > > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do > > > > > drift > > > > over > > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > > are > > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > > dropping > > > > in a > > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies > > > > > will > > go > > > > after > > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > > too, > > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > > pellets > > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of > > > > > long > > > > handled > > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > > scraping > > > > the > > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > > kind of > > > > knew > > > > > > would > > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > > then > > > > you > > > > > > weren't > > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > > because of > > > > the > > > > > > extra > > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As > > > > > > you > > add > > > > more and > > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > > meantime, > > > > it's > > > > > > good > > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > > until > > > > you > > > > > > finally > > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had > > > > > > let > > > > grow for him > > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so > > > > > > and > > > > tonight I > > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for > > > > > > him > > to > > > > eat but > > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > > behind > > > > since I > > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I > > > > > > have > > an > > > > acrylic > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > > algae kind of > > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > > substrate > > > > or maybe > > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > > aufwuchs > > > > rocks, but > > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > > it > > > > probably > > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front > > > > > > pane > > so > > > > at least > > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > > close > > > > to 3" long > > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > > able > > > > to > > > > > > clean my > > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning > > > > > > the > > > > panes > > > > > > myself, > > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level > > > > > > he > > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > > Are > > > > they > > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > > so > > > > they don't > > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are > > > > > > staying > > on > > > > top > > > > > > of your > > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > > more > > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > > One > > > > Algae > > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > > until > > > > you start > > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The > > > > > > algae > > is > > > > also > > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > > good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37382	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating anything but algae...

LOL, good one Lenny ;) and yes, we also can't accept perfumes, nail polish, cologne and... wait can they ship airbags? LOL So we can't accept avon, sorry girls ;) Yes they only pressurize the cock pit for the pilots. We have small feeder planes here, not the BIG planes you see in the rest of the US (like memphis where they have the huge MD11's) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well, on commercial airlines, cargo isn't in pressurized holds. I'm not > sure if FEDEX pressurizes their entire planes but it would seem like they > would just pressurize the area where the employees might be traveling. > > I just searched the FEDEX site and Dry Ice isn't considered hazardous, > only > dangerous.. LOL... which can also "include many common items such as nail > polish, cologne, perfume and even airbags." > > http://fedex.com/us/customersupport/express/faq/technical/fsm/domintl.html#5 > <http://fedex.com/us/customersupport/express/faq/technical/fsm/domintl.html#5> > 9 > http://fedex.com/us/services/options/dangerousgoods/ > <http://fedex.com/us/services/options/dangerousgoods/> > > TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER OR I WILL SPRAY THIS PERFUME ON YOU!!! And then the > terrorist screams out "ELIZABETH TAYLOR'S WHITE DIAMONDS" as they impale > themselves on their nail clippers. LOL > > UH OH.. I hope there aren't any terrorists in the group or they might take > out a fatwah on me. :P > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be eating > anything but algae... > > I know what it is... but Fed ex doesn't allow it on our planes into SE > Alaska anymore. One person ruined it for everyone else by complaining, we > have a limit normally about how much dry ice can go onto a plane, when > that > person was limited years ago they complained, so Fed ex took ALL dry ice > shipping away. Just like someone to ruin it for the rest of us ;) For some > reason they limit how much can go onto a plane, I think something about it > can cause pressure differences? I'm not really sure, as I never asked why > there was a limit, since we can't get it sent here at all now. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Since when is CO2 a hazardous material? Does that mean you all can't > > breathe on the planes heading up there? <G> > > > > Dry ice is simply frozen CO2 and as it defrosts, it turns into > > unfrozen CO2... the same stuff we breathe out and plants breath in... > > unless they're making dry ice differently nowadays. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Hillstream loaches don't seem to be > > eating anything but algae... > > > > We cannot recieve anything with dry ice in it here, no one can ship > > hazardous materials, it has to take the slow boat up (barge). So > > unless they can ship it without dry ice and have it take 2 days to get > > here (that's the fastest for now), they will probably not ship to me, > > just like when I asked if they would ship fish or invertebrates ;) I > > haven't tried zuccinni yet, I tried blanched kale so far (it was > > suggested on another forum). Right now I'm terrible poor until I get > > my tax refund back, but I will try something as soon as I have money > > again. > > I can't expose the bottom of the 125 gallon tank, as that is the > > planted Walstad tank (dirt under the gravel). I may have to get the > > hubby to make me a brine shrimp hatchery, I already have some > > unhatched eggs from the previous owner of the 125 gallon tank. > > I will also have to see what I can talk the fish store into ordering > > for me. > > I know I'm one of their best regular customers so I might be able to > > persuade them to order something new if I'm going to buy it regularly > > ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > The frozen decapsulated hatched baby brine shrimp is a fairly new > > > product recently introduced on the market. You should be able to > > > order it the next time you place an order with That Fish Place, > > > unless you feel it may melt by the time it gets to you. For > > > shipping, they will place it inside styrofoam with dry ice, which > > > generally lasts at least up to 36 hours (you could tell them your > > > distance and request them going heavy on the frozen CO2). > > > > > > Then, there's always the old standby, regular frozen newly hatched > > > BBS (baby brine shrimp) hatched from ordinary brine shrimp eggs, > > > also offered by San Francisco Bay brand -- if you can't get the > > > decapsulated hatched BBS. The fish won't know the difference. With > > > newly hatched baby brine shrimp being only about 1/2 a mm. in size, > > > there's not much food value to them for larger fish, unless they > > > consume a good quantity of it, but if this may be what they prefer > > > then at least it will supplement their algae. > > > > > > Perhaps you could add some to the egg coating you paint the saucers > > > and plates with, and they'd get this food then at the same time they > > > browse the egg coating. > > > > > > I know Sewellia lineolata does great over a gravely or coarse sandy > > > substrate, but many species of Hillstream Loaches from Southern > > > Vietnam do best over a rocky bottom. Some species even REQUIRE a > > > plain, sandless rock bottom. As the name implies, for the most part > > > these fish come from streams in the foothills of the mountains, and > > > their native environment's stream-bed consists of nothing but smooth > > > volcanic rock of various formations, tumbling down the hillsides. > > > You might try clearing one area of substrate to expose the hard > > > bottom to see if perhaps they may even feed better. Then again, it > > > just may make it easier for the Guppies to get at the fallen food > > > <g>, if you do try it. > > > > > > The mysis shrimp you are feeding is EXCELLENT; you couldn't have > > > made a better choice of foods, provided they eat it of course. The > > > bloodworms are loaded with HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acids -- > > > Omega-3) which is extremely good to feed them also. Omega-3 is good > > > for us also, as I'm sure you know; bloodworms, yummy - a neat snack > > > (LOL). > > > > > > Yeah, freeze-dried anything is not as good as fresh frozen (would > > > you rather have corn flakes, or Birds-Eye frozen corn as far as > > > fresh nutritional value?). Which reminds me, did you blanch the > > > zucchini slices? How about trying some similar foods, like butternut > > > squash (very nutritious) which they may take to better. Not as much > > > food value in sliced cucumber, but it's worth a try. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I feed frozen mysis shrimp, brine shrimp and bloodworms throughout > > > the > > > > week. So they are probably finding leftovers in the gravel, when I > > > see > > > > them "sifting" through the gravel now and then. > > > > I still have yet to hear back from the seller, I gave up at this > > > point, > > > > he's hard to get ahold of even when you're in the middle of an > > > auction > > > > with him. He never said how he was feeding the decapsulated brine > > > shrimp > > > > eggs, only told me what they were. > > > > My LFS doesn't get any other frozen foods than the ones I listed, > > > > I > > > may > > > > be able to persuade them in the future, but as of yet, no luck. > > > > I only have freeze dried tubifex and haven't used it since I was > > > told > > > > freeze dried stuff isn't as good as frozen. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Most species of Hillstream Loaches enjoy at least some meaty > > > > > foods (and I'm not referring to "meaty" pellets). You might want > > > > > to give frozen Tubifex a try. I have NEVER seen any fish refuse > > > > > frozen bloodworms though -- have you thought about them? > > > > > > > > > > I noted early on that you were feeding them decapsulated brine > > > shrimp > > > > > eggs as per the suggestion of the previous owner. I also > > > > > remember your having problems with having him get back to you on > > > > > feeding > > > these > > > > > fish -- Have you heard from him since? Has he ever mentioned > > > > > anything concerning feeding these decapsulated brine shrimp eggs > > > to > > > > > the fish? > > > > > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, although these may be DECAPSULATED brine > > > shrimp > > > > > eggs, this does not mean that they don't still have a thin shell > > > > > about them. Decapsulated brine shimp eggs still need to be > > > > > hatched for any nutrition be to gotten from them. While (or, if) > > > > > the fish may eat these unhatched decapsulated brine shrimp eggs, > > > > > they are getting very little food value from them. As I'm > > > > > guessing you may not want to go to that bother of hatching them, > > > > > you can buy frozen HATCHED decapsulated baby brine shrimp (San > > > > > Francisco Bay brand), ready to feed -- but you'll have to figure > > > > > a way to get this down > > > to > > > > > the Loaches before the Guppies get to it. Ray > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife Groups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually added a few more plants a couple weeks ago (mostly > > > > > swords), > > > > > > they are all doing very well, putting off new leaves and such. > > > One > > > > > has a > > > > > > "child" plant growing off of it already. I already have some > > > > > > of > > > the > > > > > > omega one algae wafers, the seller that I got the loaches from > > > said > > > > > they > > > > > > don't eat any of the algae wafers he has offered, so I haven't > > > even > > > > > > tried those yet. I have noticed a couple of the loaches do > > > > > > drift > > > > > over > > > > > > and seem to sift through the gravel now and then, perhaps they > > > are > > > > > > finding a few leftovers from the other fish. I could try > > > dropping > > > > > in a > > > > > > couple algae wafers, but chances are my little fat guppies > > > > > > will > > > go > > > > > after > > > > > > them before the loaches do ;) Hard to distract them from food > > > too, > > > > > > they're terrible! LOL ;) I tried meaty choices of sinking > > > pellets > > > > > > because that's what the seller suggested to try. > > > > > > I usually use the magfloat scrapers, but I have a couple of > > > > > > long > > > > > handled > > > > > > ones that came with the big tank that I could use to try > > > scraping > > > > > the > > > > > > algae off the front in sheets so it lands on the gravel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, a big part of your algae in your big tank, which we > > > kind of > > > > > knew > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > happen, was due to your using the Walstad DIY substrate but > > > then > > > > > you > > > > > > > weren't > > > > > > > able to heavily plant the tank so the algae is growing > > > because of > > > > > the > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > organics in the water, from the soil under your rocks. As > > > > > > > you > > > add > > > > > more and > > > > > > > more plants, they will out compete the algae but in the > > > meantime, > > > > > it's > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > that you have some natural food for your little guys/gals > > > until > > > > > you > > > > > > > finally > > > > > > > find something man-made that they like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My clown pleco was only putting a dent in the algae I had > > > > > > > let > > > > > grow for him > > > > > > > so I started cleaning one pane at a time every week or so > > > > > > > and > > > > > tonight I > > > > > > > scraped the back mostly clean so there's still plenty for > > > > > > > him > > > to > > > > > eat but > > > > > > > hopefully he'll start cleaning up the remnants that I left > > > behind > > > > > since I > > > > > > > only gave it a quick scrape with a nylon scraper since I > > > > > > > have > > > an > > > > > acrylic > > > > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could try scraping the front pane so that some sheets of > > > > > algae kind of > > > > > > > lay on the substrate to get them used to eating off the > > > substrate > > > > > or maybe > > > > > > > even scraping a sheet right onto one of your home-made > > > aufwuchs > > > > > rocks, but > > > > > > > from what you said, the other fish attack the rocks so fast, > > > it > > > > > probably > > > > > > > wouldn't matter. It would still be OK to clean the front > > > > > > > pane > > > so > > > > > at least > > > > > > > the tank "looks" better to viewers. My clown pleco is now > > > close > > > > > to 3" long > > > > > > > and close to an 1" wide at the head and even he hasn't been > > > able > > > > > to > > > > > > > clean my > > > > > > > tank in all these months so that's why I started cleaning > > > > > > > the > > > > > panes > > > > > > > myself, > > > > > > > in the past month or so, to at least get it down to a level > > > > > > > he > > > > > can manage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed both of your sinking pellet choices were "meaty". > > > Are > > > > > they > > > > > > > pellets or wafers? You should probably get some algae wafers > > > so > > > > > they don't > > > > > > > sink down into your gravel... unless your pellets are > > > > > > > staying > > > on > > > > > top > > > > > > > of your > > > > > > > gravel also... but still, I think yours probably would like > > > more > > > > > > > herbivorous > > > > > > > ingredients rather than carnivorous. Them Alaskan-made Omega > > > One > > > > > Algae > > > > > > > thins have really good ingredients. ;-) I wouldn't buy any > > > until > > > > > you start > > > > > > > to see them put a serious dent in the algae though. The > > > > > > > algae > > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > taking nutrients away from your plants. Are they still doing > > > good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37383	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s

Thank You, I will check on that. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Pretty much all auctions are held by clubs or umbrella organizations. > While club membership is normally not required, you may want to join a > club local to you for the benefits you may receive with your membership, > like monthly meetings with speakers on various topics that are pertinent > to the hobby, making a wider circle of fish friends, the club's > publication, etc. > > So, the first order of business is to find a club near you. Once you > have done that, using Google, or other resources that have been > mentioned here, visit their web site. Somewhere on the web site will be > an announcements section or a calendar. Here, they should list upcoming > auctions, meetings, shows, and other fishy events. Pick the events you > wish to go to and place them on your calendar. If you are traveling, you > can look up clubs in the area you will be visiting, and perhaps they > will be having an event you would be interested in attending (it's never > really worked for me--usually I just miss the event by days one way or > another). > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > va22_vyshys > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants - Lighting and Design ?s > > > > How would i find a fish auction close to where I live? Is there like a > > website that i could go to or do I have to be a part of a club? > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37384	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!

I bought a couple large clusters of hornwort plants a week or so ago and now I have tiny baby snails on them. They are the shape of a mystery snail and transparent. Really fast moving little boogers for their tiny size! I've found 4 of them so far and then one baby snail which is shaped differently. It is not the ... I forget the name... but the one shaped like the horn of plenty. It's different than both those shapes. Not sure what any of these baby snails are. What are the chances they will survive my 10g tank of betta, neons, rasbora hex and oto? I haven't seen anyone pick at them and even the betta swims around them and one was on the glass in plain view scooting along. I'll have to google some baby snail pics and see if I can find out what kind they are. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37385	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Betta and danio

Will my betta get along with a school of Zebra Danios in a 20g tank (24x12x16)? right now he is fine with a couple of mollys and a couple of flame tetras...but I am rearranging tanks. Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37386	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Stocking options?

How do these numbers sound? or am I way off mark? 150 gallon?6-Dojo Loach1-Catfish1-CAE14-Emerald Cory--(have 14)1-Gold Barb1-X-ray Tetra1-Rainbow Shark12-Neon Tetra--(have 2)1-Pink Gourami--(have 2)1-Blue Gouramimaybe 8-Leopard Danio2-Red Eye Tetra--(have 2)1-Gold Barb1-Giant Danioagain these are fish I already have and could increase...maybe find homes for some on craigslist? 40gmove some mollys here put rest on craigslist (have about 15)school of flame tetras (have 2 left from ick fight)school of angelicus botia (have 1)20gMale Betta (already have in tank with flame tetras and cory)maybe school zebra danios? (have 6)some bottom fish? maybe cory?sorry to be such a pain. Thanks for all the help www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37387	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Sometimes if you have a big school of danio's they will pick on other fish, so be careful. They gain strength in numbers ;) Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > Will my betta get along with a school of Zebra Danios in a 20g tank (24x12x16)? right now he is fine with a couple of mollys and a couple of flame tetras...but I am rearranging tanks. Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37388	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

I was thinking like 10 danios and the betta and then maybe some corys...maybe julii corys think they would pick on him? maybe another school of something...gold barb, red eye tetra, leopard danio, neon tetra, molly? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37389	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

I had 7 danio's and they seemed a bit too much for my betta, I moved him into a 10 gallon with an african dwarf frog instead. I don't know if I would try it myself, if you do watch carefully to make sure they aren't picking on him, and if they are move him to another tank where he's safe? Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > > > I was thinking like 10 danios and the betta and then maybe some > corys...maybe julii corys think they would pick on him? maybe another > school of something...gold barb, red eye tetra, leopard danio, neon > tetra, molly? > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37390	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Ok I thought they might be like the tetras and they would keep to themselves in a school. I might have to rearrage thoughts again. Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37391	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

My danio's now that I have 5 don't group up and gang on other fish, sometimes they pair up and chase a tetra or platy, but they seem less aggressive now that I have 2 less than before. Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > > > Ok > I thought they might be like the tetras and they would keep to > themselves in a school. I might have to rearrage thoughts again. Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37392	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Pond snails and ramshorn snails? Prepare to be overrun! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Snail Babies! I bought a couple large clusters of hornwort plants a week or so ago and now I have tiny baby snails on them. They are the shape of a mystery snail and transparent. Really fast moving little boogers for their tiny size! I've found 4 of them so far and then one baby snail which is shaped differently. It is not the ... I forget the name... but the one shaped like the horn of plenty. It's different than both those shapes. Not sure what any of these baby snails are. What are the chances they will survive my 10g tank of betta, neons, rasbora hex and oto? I haven't seen anyone pick at them and even the betta swims around them and one was on the glass in plain view scooting along. I'll have to google some baby snail pics and see if I can find out what kind they are. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37393	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

In a message dated 2/15/2009 6:17:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, djransome@... writes: Pond snails and ramshorn snails? Prepare to be overrun! no kidding! Start squashing them on sight! Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37394	From: greychildren	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

I purchased several amazon sword plants when i started my tank about a year ago they were loaded with snails... it got to the point i had to get some loaches to battle the over population of snails. i tried hand picked from my 40g tank but the seem to grow in numbers. now there in my filter and all over the tank. I lost one of my loaches a week ago due to injury loache decided to hide inside my aqua fin tree trunk and got stuck causing some severe injury. I put in a quarantine tank but it did not survive.. back to the snails..hand pick out of the tank before they overrun it... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/15/2009 6:17:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, > djransome@... writes: > > > > > Pond snails and ramshorn snails? Prepare to be overrun! > > > > > > > > no kidding! Start squashing them on sight! > Enid > > "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are > when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > bemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37395	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

There is a great chance that your little snails will survive, and chances are that they will even multiply.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37396	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Yes with an err on the side of caution, there may not be a problem in regards to the compatibility of the two species temperment wise. But, bettas are slow moving and they kinda roam around the tank, and danios are fast moving and they storm around the tank. So I'm sure that they will out compete the betta for food, but lucky for yu bettas are always hungry. Also, you may want to monitor the bettas fins, even though danios aren't known to be fin nippers, Scarlet badis aren't known to be shrimp killers, and you don't want to find out ther hard way!!! --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 12:29 AM Will my betta get along with a school of Zebra Danios in a 20g tank (24x12x16)? right now he is fine with a couple of mollys and a couple of flame tetras...but I am rearranging tanks. Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37397	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

Now that is what I call a true community tank, I haven't had one like this in a while, but 150 gallons is a huge tank to work with and your ideas seem fine to me, I don't know how the other guys may feel, but I don't see too many issues with it except 1. CAE's are quite the cute little fish, with an endless supply of energy, and they do a real good job keeping tanks clean, however, they grow up and turn into a completeely different fish. First, they obtain a size of 8 - 10 inches, and with a 150 gallon tank they will most likely reach 10 with no problem. Secondly, they are extremely territorial, and will definitely not tolerate any intrusion into its territory. So with that being said rainbow shark, dojo loaches, and angelicus loaches along with CAE's will definitely be interesting. But, other than that there should be no problem with any of the rest. You can even keep the mollies if you wanted to. --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking options? To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 2:47 AM How do these numbers sound? or am I way off mark? 150 gallon?6-Dojo Loach1-Catfish1-CAE14-Emerald Cory--(have 14)1-Gold Barb1-X-ray Tetra1-Rainbow Shark12-Neon Tetra--(have 2)1-Pink Gourami--(have 2)1-Blue Gouramimaybe 8-Leopard Danio2-Red Eye Tetra--(have 2)1-Gold Barb1-Giant Danioagain these are fish I already have and could increase...maybe find homes for some on craigslist? 40gmove some mollys here put rest on craigslist (have about 15)school of flame tetras (have 2 left from ick fight)school of angelicus botia (have 1)20gMale Betta (already have in tank with flame tetras and cory)maybe school zebra danios? (have 6)some bottom fish? maybe cory?sorry to be such a pain. Thanks for all the help www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37398	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - bacteria without food

Yippie! I went 24 hours and I have 0 ppm of both ammonia and nitrite! I am assuming the water change fixed the bacteria up again. Did not know or do I understand why. Cranked it back up to 4 ppm and will see what it says tomorrow! I am expecting good things though! As far as the water adds, I can even microwave a coffee pot of water to add to the bucket to raise the temp some as well.... Things are looking my way! On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > OK. With your really hard water, you should have sufficient KH levels as > well... although there is always a possibility of having hard water with low > KH. If your pH has been sustaining itself during the fishless cycle, then > that likely confirms that your KH is high also as a low KH could have > resulted in a pH reduction and possibly even a crash. It probably was the > sudden drop in temperature since it's best to fishless cycle with warmer > water. > > Your plan to slowly add in the cooler water, once you have fish, is probably > not necessary since a 25% PWC with 5F difference water will only result in a > 1.66F change in temperature which is an acceptable range... but if you only > want to do 1G at a time, that would be even safer. You could probably do 1G > every 10 minutes and the fish would easily acclimate to the lowering temp > every 10 minutes since it would only be less than .5F with each 1G. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - > bacteria without food > > Ammonia was between .5 and 1 ppm at 24 hours. Nitites were 0ppm and I did > not bother to read the nitrates that I knew were thru thr roof. I do not > have the GH / KH test kits - I will have to order them. I just have the > "master" test kit from API that does not include them. They should come out > with a deluxe master test kit that has everything you need... I know that > the water is hard, as the mineral deposits from evaporation will attest to. > My PH is the 8.8 > > I did a 90% water change. I added ammonia to 4 ppm. And I will see what > the tests say during the week. The water I changed with was 73 degrees as > that was my office temp today. The tank is normally 78 degrees. So I may > have shocked the bacteria some with the temp change. I find it impossible > to do everything perfect. I know I will not be allowed to have 5 gal. > buckets of water with heaters in them, just not going to happen here at > work. I figure when I do water changes when I have fish I will just add a > gal. at a time back in and do that slowlly. 25% change is 3 gal. Should > not be too hard. > > On 2/13/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> >> Let us know the next test results. I want to rule out a mis-test >> first... >> or did you re-test it when you got the 1.0ppm level? >> >> If you did, then do you know your GH/KH... mainly KH levels? I have >> seen instances where the KH level would get too low during a fishless >> cycle and that would cause a stall in the ammonia nitrifying bacteria. >> Usually, a PWC would cure it, but some folks would have to dose with >> some form of KH booster (baking soda, etc.) from the start if they had >> low KH water to start with... or do regular PWC's throughout the >> fishless cycle. KH (aka Carbon) is the building block of life on this >> planet... not sure about them Martian fish though... so if there is >> not enough carbon source in the water, life does not build. >> >> I'm not sure I agree with your staggered stocking schedule though. The >> purpose of fishless cycling is to prepare the tank for a full bioload >> of juvi fish.. in other words, if your fishless cycle is processing >> 4-5ppm of ammonia each day, then it's ready for a full bioload of >> fish. If you only add a few fish, you will just see the big colony of >> N-bacteria, that you spent weeks building, die off without enough >> ammonia each day. Then when you add more fish every few weeks, you may >> see a mini-cycle as they build back up to handle the immediately > increasing bioload from the new fish. >> Most of the time, this mini-cycle is inconsequential but since you >> mentioned you were going to do this because you were worried about the >> fragility of the dwarf gourami, so you may want to re-think your >> staggered stocking. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in >> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: >> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf >> Of Harl Myers >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:16 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fishless cycle questions - test kit - >> bacteria without food >> >> OK, now I am completely stumped. My Nitrites went to 0! WhoHoo! But >> for ages my ammonia would drop to 0 in 24 hours, this time it did not, >> measured >> 1 ppm? And the Nitrates went thru the roof! 80 PPM >> >> So I raised the Ammonia to 4ppm again, and will wait 24 hours. I hope >> for a 0 reading on both ammonia and nitrite. Then I can do the massive >> water change and finally get my fish! If that is not the reading I >> get, I am not sure what I will do. I have been thinking that I might >> just get the 6 little fish and wait 2 weeks and get the catfish and >> wait 2 weeks and get the dwarf gourami. Figure the dwarf is the most >> delicate of the bunch and that way he would see the least problems... >> >> Like the buzzard in the cartoon says, "Patience my a$$, I'm gonna kill >> something!" >> >> Harl >> >> On 2/10/09, William <dreammaker2623@... >> <dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > Yes you have to feed the bacteria so that they can reproduce and >> > take care of more of the ammonia. I think that the max that you can >> > put in is about 5 ppm, anything much over this will not let the >> > bacteria grow, either they go dormant or maybe even die off. With >> > the fishless cycling you keep adding ammonia when it goes down to >> > about 4 PPM. If you have used gravel from an established tank or >> > filter cartridges from an established tank in your new tank or even >> > any other solid objects from an established tank in your new tank >> > they will have the good bacteria to help jump start the cycling >> > process. In theory if you added enough of the right kinds of >> > bacteria to a new tank it could become instantly cycled but that is not > practical in every case. >> > >> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> 40yahoogroups.com>, >> > Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: >> > > >> > > Actually Lenny I had read that one site suggested that you keep >> > adding >> > > ammonia every day, and you might get to 18 parts per million. So I >> > just let >> > > this go at the 8PPM, and well, I have to say that you were right. >> > It just >> > > stayed at 8 ppm. The bacteria went dormant. I say that, because >> > just >> > > yesterday I did as you suggested and changed 5 gallons. 24 hours >> > later, 0 >> > > ammonia from 4 ppm. However the nitrite was still not up to the >> > same speed >> > > as it was earlier. Added ammonia today at noon and 4 hours later I >> > was at >> > > 1ppm. So I just added more to bring me up to 4ppm again. Will >> > check again >> > > in 24 hours. And check to see if the nitrate bacteria wake up, or >> > have to >> > > re-develop. >> > > >> > > When I finally get this done the way I want I will have learned a >> > great deal >> > > about it for future tanks, and the abillity to offer help to >> > others... >> > > >> > > >> > > On 1/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > I would do a 25% PWC. When the ammonia levels get too high, >> > they can >> > > > inhibit the fishless cycle process. Nearly all of the good >> > fishless cycling >> > > > instruction pages say to only raise the ammonia level to 4-5ppm. >> > > > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > Fish Blog - >> > > > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> >> > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> >> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >> > the right >> > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, Month) >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto: >> > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > > Behalf Of Harl Myers >> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:24 PM >> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - >> > bacteria >> > > > without food >> > > > >> > > > I just did this to test the test so to speak. My tap water is >> > treated with >> > > > Prime and then checked for a baseline. I had 0 everything, and a >> > high PH. >> > > > on my tap water. >> > > > >> > > > I have been adding pure ammonia for a while now. Drumming up to >> > > > 4 >> > ppm and >> > > > above. I was adding it drip at a time, and know that 6 drips = >> > > > 0.5 ppm in my volume of water. Lately I have just been adding a >> > couple of >> > > > dropperfuls and making sure it came to 4 ppm or above by testing. >> > Not sure >> > > > I would be able to make it in today I added 3 dropperfuls to the >> > tank just >> > > > before I left Fri. I have no idea where that was, but it was >> > still 8 ppm >> > > > when I stopped in today. I see though that the nitrite still >> > measures as it >> > > > did before. This tells me that the bacteria that removes ammonia >> > is only >> > > > handles so much and that I have nitrite handling bacteria that >> > almost keeps >> > > > up. In fact today it seemed closer than yesterday. The 5 min. >> > mark brought >> > > > it to a greener color than clear, and that is a blue green color. >> > I did not >> > > > add any ammonia today as I was at 8 ppm. I will stop in tomorrow >> > and add >> > > > more. Think it is time I start to measure the amount added again >> > and see >> > > > what I get in 24 hours. Think I will start that on Monday. >> > > > >> > > > I lowered the temp back some today, and will again Sunday. >> > Starting to >> > > > prepare for fish at last! :o) >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dora Smith >> > <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > Oh. You're testing the tap water for nitrite? Shouldn't be >> > positive >> > > > > unless there was a bad storm or a busted sewer line recently! >> > It is >> > > > > tap water, right, not out of a well or a nearby river? >> > > > > >> > > > > The nitrite test is blue if negative and purple for rising >> > levels of >> > > > > nitrites. In the entire history of my 8 month old aquarium >> > > > > I've >> > seen >> > > > > it purple just once, maybe because the bacteria starter >> > products I >> > > > > used were particularly high in bacteria that process nitrites. >> > High >> > > > > ammonia levels, yes. High nitrate levels, yes. High diatom >> > levels, >> > > > > yes. Diatoms ate all the nitrates and died, decorating the >> > tank, yes. >> > > > > But only once did I see purple color. >> > > > > >> > > > > Yours, >> > > > > Dora Smith >> > > > > Austin, TX >> > > > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > From: "Donna Ransome" >> > > > > <djransome@...<djransome%40optonline.net> >> > > > > >> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com>> >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:41 AM >> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit >> > > > > - bacteria without food >> > > > > >> > > > > I'd say go with the directions on your test kit for nitrite. >> > Mine says >> > > > > wait >> > > > > 5 minutes, but the color starts turning blue immediately and >> > > > > is >> > just a >> > > > > little darker after the 5 minutes, like your tap water. No >> > purple at >> > > > > all (unless there is nitrite, LOL). Don't know what might be >> > happening >> > > > > with your tank water. >> > > > > >> > > > > Regarding the lifespan of bacteria without food, 24 hours >> > absolutely >> > > > > no problem.after that die-off will start to be more and more >> > significant. >> > > > > >> > > > > _____ >> > > > > >> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: >> > > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com>] >> > > > > On Behalf Of Harl Myers >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:34 AM >> > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com >> > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com><aquaticlife% >> > 40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fishless cycle questions - test kit - >> > bacteria >> > > > > without food >> > > > > >> > > > > I am doing a fishless cycle on a 12 gal. Eclipse. I think I am >> > almost >> > > > > done. With the water ammonia level at 4 ppm, and higher I end >> > up with >> > > > > 0 ppm in 24 hours. But the Nitrites are confusion to me. When >> > > > > I >> > test >> > > > > pure water out of the tap, after de-chlorination. I put in the >> > regent, >> > > > > and it starts and stays blue, 0 ppm. My tank water the regent >> > goes >> > > > > purplish, about 0.5 ppm, but when I wait the 5 min. It is >> > almost clear >> > > > > - extremely faint color. If I wait for a longer time it turns >> > green. >> > > > > So on a cycled tank, should the nitrite test be like my tap >> > water, or >> > > > > is it going to turn blue only after 5 min.? I know I must be >> > close... >> > > > > >> > > > > Second question, is after I finally pronounce this cycled, how >> > long >> > > > > can the filter go with new fresh water and no fish? I need to >> > change >> > > > > 90% or so of the water, although nitrates are not as high as I >> > thought >> > > > > they would go. Between 10 ppm and 20 ppm. I will add 10 gal. >> > > > > of >> > 70+ F >> > > > > water from 2 predrawn, declored, 5 gal. buckets. Then the 1 >> > hour trip >> > > > > to the fish store, time to buy and 1 hour back, acclimate, and >> > add. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37399	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

Christy, I had to clean up your message to make it understandable to me--everything was run together. The pink gourami is also known as the kissing gourami. The scientific name is _Helostoma temminckii_. They will grow to as much as 12" though are usually seen smaller, and many do not reach more than 8". They are not good candidates for a community tank. As they grow, they can become quite aggressive, and your smaller fish may become nothing more than snacks for them between meals. The next is the fish listed as just catfish. More information would be needed to render any opinion on this fish. Not all catfish are suitable for all tanks. The chinese algae eater you list should be removed. They are not algae eaters, name notwithstanding, but are slime and scale eaters, which does not bode well for your other fish. You list one gold barb (_Puntius semifasciolatus_?). Barbs should be kept in schools of 5 or more. Even then, they can be a bit nippy toward other fish and themselves. Tetras also do better in groups of more than 5. The rainbow shark _Epalzeorhynchus frenatus_ will grow to about 5 1/2". For the most part, it should do well in a community situation, but can get a bit territorial, and aggressively protect its territory. It cannot be kept with others of its kind in the aquarium. Just keep an eye on it. The blue gourami, a variation of _Trichogaster trichopterus_, will grow to about 6" and is an aggressive fish, alone or in a group. Probably another fish you should consider removing, though the aggressive behavior can vary quite a bit from individual to individual. I see you have the gold barb listed again, and the rest of the fish you list for the larger tank all should be kept in groups of at least 5 or 6 for best results. For your 40 gallon, you mention you have a number of mollies. I'd keep a trio of them, one male, two females. Since you do not mention which variety/species they are, you may be able to keep more. I'd not heard of the angelicus botia before, but he scientific name appears to be _Botia kubotai_. There does appear to be some debate about the maximum size for these fish, but it seems they will grow to at least 4" and, maybe, more. It could be that they are slow growers like the clown loaches, _Botia macracantha_. They do seem to be nice looking fish, though. For your twenty, just add a few more cories. They seem to do well in groups. Watch the danios, they may be too active for the betta, and you may wish to look at a more sedate schooling fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Christy Sylvest > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:48 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking options? > > > How do these numbers sound? or am I way off mark? > > 150 gallon? > 6-Dojo Loach > 1-Catfish > 1-CAE > 14-Emerald Cory--(have 14) > 1-Gold Barb > 1-X-ray Tetra > 1-Rainbow Shark > 12-Neon Tetra--(have 2) > 1-Pink Gourami--(have 2) > 1-Blue Gourami maybe > 8-Leopard Danio > 2-Red Eye Tetra--(have 2) > 1-Gold Barb > 1-Giant Danio > again these are fish I already have and could increase...maybe find homes for some on > craigslist? > 40g > move some mollys here put rest on craigslist (have about 15) > school of flame tetras (have 2 left from ick fight) > school of angelicus botia (have 1) > 20g > Male Betta (already have in tank with flame tetras and cory) > maybe school zebra danios? (have 6) > some bottom fish? maybe cory? > sorry to be such a pain. Thanks for all the help > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37400	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Oh yuck! I'd hoped it was mystery snail or something nice. I looked them up on google images. Yup, pond snail and ramshorn snails. And even ickier... ramshorn snail eggs on my glass after I found pics of those. I thought the glass was just getting dirty from the baby snails crawling on it. (my eyes aren't so good) Looked closer... yup, it's an invasion! grrrrr.... Given I want to have a heavily planted 55g or larger tank in the near future, how to do I prepare the plants to avoid bringing in baby/egg snails? Going to clean my tank now... poor babies. I do feel bad. I can't squish em'. Eww... not after I spent like 2 hours last night baby talking them and being easily amused by their actions. But I'll get them out of there. I'll make hubby be the mean one. Maybe the toilet? ewww... I don't wanna know... Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37401	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Hi Jimmy, The fillers (such as starches, lubricants, sticking agents, sweeteners, coating agents, etc..) are found in "TABLETS" not in "CAPSULES", as the capsuled form of medication doesn't need those. Noura --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > You may need to check with the manufacturer of the mincycline casules you are using to make sure they are 100 per cent drug and do not contain some fillers. > > Sent from my iPod > Jimmy > > On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:48 PM, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Okay, I didn't think (or at least I hoped not) that anyone here would > have given you that advice for Pop-Eye condition, but I can see your > use for it now with trying to prevent wound infection. Good to see > that you have Minocycline available to you. As yours is manufactured > for human treatment, I must assume it's "medicinal quality," or pure > Minocycline. If you can determine otherwise, please advise us; it > would otherwise appear as though the 50mg capsules are most probably > 100% Minocycline (50mg of Minocycline) activity. > > Treatment for Pop-Eye condition using Minocycline, one of the best > medications of choice against this disease -- if it's bacterial, is a > five (5) day treatment. Note, Pop-Eye condition can have other > causes, including viral infection, but most often its caused by an > Aeromonas bacteria (Pseudomonas punctata). Using 100% medicinal > activity, the treatment calls for 20mg per 10 gallon for the first > day (11mg per 5.5 gallons). For the second through the fifth day, > 10mg per 10 gallons (5.5mg per 5.5 gallons) each day is to be used. > To make things easier, I'd suggest dropping the water level to 5 > gallons. Then, for the first day, you need 1/5 (10mg) of one of > those 50mg capsules. For each of the 4 remaining days, you would > need 1/10 (5mg) of one of those 50mg capsules -- provided those > capsules are 100% activity. I point this out, as Mardel's Maracyn II > (Minocycline) is advertised as having only 10% Minocycline activity -- > but it's not manufactured for human treatment -- and is recommended > at 10 X this doseage as a result of this. > > It's always best to remove the carbon from your filter with most any > medication, to prevent its possible decrease in effectiveness. Some > sources state that if the carbon has been in use for about a week > that it's not necessary to take this step, but I would still > recommend its removal during treatment. > > As is always prudent, at least a 25% PWC should be done before the > start of any treatment, regardless of any treatments suggestion > otherwise -- possibly saying it's not necessary. This will help > ensure less stress on the fish due to any possible organic waste > build-up. If you take water tests of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate > just before medicating (as is always a good idea), and find your > ammonia and ntrite to be "0" and your nitrate at least below 40ppm > (and possibly lower), you really needn't do a preliminary PWC, but a > moderate change out with fresh water always serves to stimulate the > fish. During treatment, no PWC's are required. If by some chance at > the end of the 5-day period, that this is not cured, you may re- treat > the tank again one more time, after doing a minimum of a 33% PWC. > > I feel for the poor guy after reading your description of his trying > to find his food. I can't say whether or not this will cure him, > especially now that he's been like this for 6 months. Then too, it > could have another cause (such as a virus I mentioned), but it's > worth a try, and this is one of the best medications you can use > against a bacterial infection causing this. Please note though, that > Pop-Eye is not always cureable. Best of luck with him. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Ray > > Actually, I decided to put salt by myself because the swelling > > around the eye was wounded, the skin was open, and I was afraid of > > infections. > > > > We have "Minocycline" available in 50 and 100mg capsules, > > manifactured for human treatment, I can just open the capsule in > the > > quarantine tank. What is the recommended dose for 5.5 US Gallons? > > Should I remove activated carbon from the bubble up filter during > the > > treatment? What are the exact steps concerning the repetition of > the > > dose and PWCs? > > > > The fish sees with his eye, the other eye is slightly popped too, > but > > he became squint-eyed! He snaps his food about half an inch away > from > > the actual piece of food!! poor guy! But manages to catch it > > eventually.Do you think he can be cured? > > > > Thanks for the advice > > Noura > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back > to > > > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting > it -- > > > > > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish. I'm wondering > > > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. > > Was > > > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- > and > > > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > > > > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near > > you. > > > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > > > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, > > you > > > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure > cure, > > > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, > > use > > > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). > If > > > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray > > > > > p-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp- mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font- size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach- table { width: 400px; } --> --> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37402	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

I would say that maybe that would be a local item, but would that require that Walmart actually buy something that wasn't made in a Chinese or central American sweatshop? Eric greychildren wrote: > > this is not a hoax if you don't believe come down to Florida > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ldw3312@..." <LDW3312@...> wrote: > > > > LOL > > No store would carry an item like that. The animal rights groups > would burn down the place. Sounds like another hoax folks. > > Larry > > > > -- "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > On Saturday while doing some shopping at walmart.. i saw this blue > > bottle fill with a blue liquid apond closer inspection each was fill > > with baby sharks( yes real dead baby shark) now I'm not one of the > > peta wackos but this is inhumane. So i took a quick picture with my > > not so good cell phone and i wanted to share with you guys and get > > your opinion on it. > > > > Now i know why there's shark attacks > > > > I posted the pic on the pic section > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37403	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Hi Ray, Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain all that, hopefully that will help the poor Angelfish! Correction: He's been sick for a little over a month, not 6 months, I hope this makes the odds more to his side. As for using the Minocycline capsules, it contains Minocycline Hydrochloride, equivalent to 50 mg of Minocycline. So we can do our calculations according to a 100% Minocycline activity. I think I'll dissolve the whole capsule in an accurately measured amount of water (maybe 20 ml) ,and take part of it, in order to be accurate about using the exact advised dose in the tank's water. Of course, I'll get rid of the remains, as they will lose effectivity in a few hours in the fresh water. If I needed to repeat the 5 days treatment, do I do that emmediately? or should I make a few days of gap between the two periods of treatment? Noura --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Okay, I didn't think (or at least I hoped not) that anyone here would > have given you that advice for Pop-Eye condition, but I can see your > use for it now with trying to prevent wound infection. Good to see > that you have Minocycline available to you. As yours is manufactured > for human treatment, I must assume it's "medicinal quality," or pure > Minocycline. If you can determine otherwise, please advise us; it > would otherwise appear as though the 50mg capsules are most probably > 100% Minocycline (50mg of Minocycline) activity. > > Treatment for Pop-Eye condition using Minocycline, one of the best > medications of choice against this disease -- if it's bacterial, is a > five (5) day treatment. Note, Pop-Eye condition can have other > causes, including viral infection, but most often its caused by an > Aeromonas bacteria (Pseudomonas punctata). Using 100% medicinal > activity, the treatment calls for 20mg per 10 gallon for the first > day (11mg per 5.5 gallons). For the second through the fifth day, > 10mg per 10 gallons (5.5mg per 5.5 gallons) each day is to be used. > To make things easier, I'd suggest dropping the water level to 5 > gallons. Then, for the first day, you need 1/5 (10mg) of one of > those 50mg capsules. For each of the 4 remaining days, you would > need 1/10 (5mg) of one of those 50mg capsules -- provided those > capsules are 100% activity. I point this out, as Mardel's Maracyn II > (Minocycline) is advertised as having only 10% Minocycline activity -- > but it's not manufactured for human treatment -- and is recommended > at 10 X this doseage as a result of this. > > It's always best to remove the carbon from your filter with most any > medication, to prevent its possible decrease in effectiveness. Some > sources state that if the carbon has been in use for about a week > that it's not necessary to take this step, but I would still > recommend its removal during treatment. > > As is always prudent, at least a 25% PWC should be done before the > start of any treatment, regardless of any treatments suggestion > otherwise -- possibly saying it's not necessary. This will help > ensure less stress on the fish due to any possible organic waste > build-up. If you take water tests of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate > just before medicating (as is always a good idea), and find your > ammonia and ntrite to be "0" and your nitrate at least below 40ppm > (and possibly lower), you really needn't do a preliminary PWC, but a > moderate change out with fresh water always serves to stimulate the > fish. During treatment, no PWC's are required. If by some chance at > the end of the 5-day period, that this is not cured, you may re- treat > the tank again one more time, after doing a minimum of a 33% PWC. > > I feel for the poor guy after reading your description of his trying > to find his food. I can't say whether or not this will cure him, > especially now that he's been like this for 6 months. Then too, it > could have another cause (such as a virus I mentioned), but it's > worth a try, and this is one of the best medications you can use > against a bacterial infection causing this. Please note though, that > Pop-Eye is not always cureable. Best of luck with him. Ray > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37404	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

There's a real good chance they will survive... and some folks hate that fact. Here's a page with most snails described and lots of pics.... http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php The one you describe as "horn of plenty" looking is likely a MTS (Malaysian Trumpet Snail) and they are actually OK. They don't eat plants but do eat a little algae and actually forage through the gravel looking for food so they are a good little part of a clean-up crew in a tank. Folks with sand substrates use them as they'll burrow into the sand and keep it from getting compacted. They are not prolific breeders. The other ones are also clean-up snails although many call them nuisance snails. They will eat plants if they get out of hand and then there is not enough food. They can also be a bellwether to let you know that you are not cleaning the gravel enough. If you see lots of them, that means you need to clean more as they are opportunistic breeders and will only breed enough to take advantage of the available food sources.... meaning that if you have lots of detritus in your gravel, you will get lots of these snails. You can train some of your fish to start eating them while they are still babies by crushing them on the glass when you see them and the fish will eat the flesh. Once they start liking them, they'll hunt down the babies before the shells get hard. If they do get out of hand, there are DIY snail traps using food (piece of veggie) on a saucer, put in overnight and then removed the next morning with any snails that found it. Repeat as necessary. Next time you buy plants, you should disinfect them and quarantine them first if you want to minimize your chances of getting snails. I have several links in my "Planted Tank" article on my blog... as well as other good stuff for beginner plant keepers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Snail Babies! I bought a couple large clusters of hornwort plants a week or so ago and now I have tiny baby snails on them. They are the shape of a mystery snail and transparent. Really fast moving little boogers for their tiny size! I've found 4 of them so far and then one baby snail which is shaped differently. It is not the ... I forget the name... but the one shaped like the horn of plenty. It's different than both those shapes. Not sure what any of these baby snails are. What are the chances they will survive my 10g tank of betta, neons, rasbora hex and oto? I haven't seen anyone pick at them and even the betta swims around them and one was on the glass in plain view scooting along. I'll have to google some baby snail pics and see if I can find out what kind they are. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

What kind of "Catfish"? Species range from 1" to over 6 FEET long and they often sell "Channel Catfish" in pet stores and they grow to 4-5' long and 150 pounds or more. What do you mean by CAE14? Are the numbers in front of the hyphen what you are thinking or the numbers behind the fish name? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:48 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking options? How do these numbers sound? or am I way off mark? 150 gallon?6-Dojo Loach1-Catfish1-CAE14-Emerald Cory--(have 14)1-Gold Barb1-X-ray Tetra1-Rainbow Shark12-Neon Tetra--(have 2)1-Pink Gourami--(have 2)1-Blue Gouramimaybe 8-Leopard Danio2-Red Eye Tetra--(have 2)1-Gold Barb1-Giant Danioagain these are fish I already have and could increase...maybe find homes for some on craigslist? 40gmove some mollys here put rest on craigslist (have about 15)school of flame tetras (have 2 left from ick fight)school of angelicus botia (have 1)20gMale Betta (already have in tank with flame tetras and cory)maybe school zebra danios? (have 6)some bottom fish? maybe cory?sorry to be such a pain. Thanks for all the help www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Amber (and Christy) Do you have enough females to males? That will change the way the males act also. It's best to have at least two females for each male so he's busy chasing the babes all the time. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio My danio's now that I have 5 don't group up and gang on other fish, sometimes they pair up and chase a tetra or platy, but they seem less aggressive now that I have 2 less than before. Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > > > Ok > I thought they might be like the tetras and they would keep to > themselves in a school. I might have to rearrage thoughts again. > Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, > the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwork > s_022009 > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwor > ks_022009> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37407	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: This made me sick

HAHA...I was just going to say that Lenny. I suggested to my fiance that we bring her ex with us when we went down to Lake Charles a few years ago...let the gators take care of him in a bayou somewhere hehehe. Here in Chicago they line the canals with people who disagreed with the local mob bosses. The IM Canal along the DesPlaines River was a favorite dumping spot for people with cement shoes ;-) Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Down here, it's the swamps. A short air-boat ride, drop 'em off and good > riddance. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > Well, they say the perfect way to get rid of a person is inside of a crab > pot ;) LOL That's terrible but it's true... Nothing left afterwards, > except > crabs.... > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Is that just animal corpses? Or do I have to get rid of my ex-wife and > > mother-in-law too? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:51 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Maybe they are unborn babies taken from sharks caught and killed for > > human consumption? > > > > I've always wondered about people who decorate their homes with > > corpses, LOL. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > Go to the Photos page of the group. On the right side, click on "Last > > Modified" and that will sort the folders into the most recently > > modified folders. Then open the top folder which was modified on > > 2/8/2009 and then you'll see it as the last picture in that folder. > > The folder's name is "Members Aquatic Life" so it's just a generic > > folder for putting miscellaneous pics. Here's the actual link to the > > pic but it may break so you'll have to follow the above > > instructions... which is the easiest way to find a members photos when > > they say they just posted them as that will be the last folder > > modified. > > > > http://groups. > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/> > > 103278 > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/> > > 103278> > > 7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/1032787 > > 372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of J. Ford > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:40 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: This made me sick > > > > I couldn't find the photo you uploaded. > > > > Janet Ford > > ---- > > Looking for a 55g or larger tank in MI (also Java Moss) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37408	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Clove oil to put them to sleep and then the freezer until garbage day. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail Babies! Oh yuck! I'd hoped it was mystery snail or something nice. I looked them up on google images. Yup, pond snail and ramshorn snails. And even ickier... ramshorn snail eggs on my glass after I found pics of those. I thought the glass was just getting dirty from the baby snails crawling on it. (my eyes aren't so good) Looked closer... yup, it's an invasion! grrrrr.... Given I want to have a heavily planted 55g or larger tank in the near future, how to do I prepare the plants to avoid bringing in baby/egg snails? Going to clean my tank now... poor babies. I do feel bad. I can't squish em'. Eww... not after I spent like 2 hours last night baby talking them and being easily amused by their actions. But I'll get them out of there. I'll make hubby be the mean one. Maybe the toilet? ewww... I don't wanna know... Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37409	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Not the toilet for live ones... they might crawl back out and crawl onto you when you're lease expecting it... LOL Just kidding.. but you don't want to reintroduce them to the environment. The toilet is OK for squished ones.. or the garbage. If you have any of the MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails, you may not want to kill them. They aren't prolific breeders like the others and do not lay eggs on the glass either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail Babies! Oh yuck! I'd hoped it was mystery snail or something nice. I looked them up on google images. Yup, pond snail and ramshorn snails. And even ickier... ramshorn snail eggs on my glass after I found pics of those. I thought the glass was just getting dirty from the baby snails crawling on it. (my eyes aren't so good) Looked closer... yup, it's an invasion! grrrrr.... Given I want to have a heavily planted 55g or larger tank in the near future, how to do I prepare the plants to avoid bringing in baby/egg snails? Going to clean my tank now... poor babies. I do feel bad. I can't squish em'. Eww... not after I spent like 2 hours last night baby talking them and being easily amused by their actions. But I'll get them out of there. I'll make hubby be the mean one. Maybe the toilet? ewww... I don't wanna know... Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37410	From: jenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!

I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta)  is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. jenn "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37411	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

I will post a picture of the catfish...I don't know what species it is but we have had him for about 6 years and he is only 6" long. sorry the number got smooshed when the message sent it should be 1-CAE (chinese algae eater) and 14-emerald corys so #-fish want (have) thanks 6-Dojo Loach1-Catfish1-CAE14-Emerald Cory--(have 14)1-Gold> Barb1-X-ray Tetra1-Rainbow Shark12-Neon Tetra--(have 2)1-Pink Gourami--(have> 2)1-Blue Gouramimaybe 8-Leopard Danio2-Red Eye Tetra--(have 2)1-Gold> Barb1-Giant Danioagain these are fish I already have and could> increase...maybe find homes for some on craigslist? 40gmove some mollys> here put rest on craigslist (have about 15)school of flame tetras (have 2> left from ick fight)school of angelicus botia (have 1)20gMale Betta (already> have in tank with flame tetras and cory)maybe school zebra danios? (have> 6)some bottom fish? maybe cory? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37412	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Thanks Lenny. They aren't the malasian type. I did have those the last tank I had that I tried live plants with. They took over so I reverted back to plastic plants. In finding out the plastic plants could harm my precious betta's fins, I started looking up more info on live plants again (two decades later). Now I see I was a bad fishy mama to have them take over like they did. I did do the 10% weekly water change and syphoned my tank gravel often. (hate a dirty tank) but did not have any pleco's or other algae eaters so it was a battle there until I got them. Maybe that's the reason for my last outbreak so many years ago? I also kept my gravel super deep then. I liked to play with the shapes of the substrate with hills and valleys and such. Maybe they just had too much substrate also. I have about 4"-5" right now. Those undergravel filters I had weren't worth the time it took to lay them down, either. blech. Trying to be more educated now. Thank God I have the internet this go-round. I didn't have anything but a few books back then and they weren't very good. You should write for ehow, Lenny! You could make money writing about fish care! Seriously... I make thousands of dollars writing for them and I enjoy it. Same goes for others here with lots of knowledge. I've even written some fish articles. Of course, it's mostly on stuff I've had to research to learn how to do myself and then just shared that info. It would be better coming from the 'been there, already did it' crowd! :) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37413	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

I hope to add shrimp to my tank someday. Will the loaches harm them? I'm going to assume they would harm the baby shrimp... ooo... what to do.. what to do... hmm... maybe rotate the loach from tank to tank as needed? Would that be too stressful on them? PS... I only found one baby snail this am. And my betta seems to be prowling the two live plant areas. Maybe he got em' when I wasn't looking? I fed them bloodworms for the first time last night and the whole tank went into a feeding frenzy mode. So lively and fun!!! Then I went to bed... not seeing all the baby snails now. Took one group of plant out to inspect, too after my last post promising to flush em'. I may just tear down the whole tank, minus the water and 'get to the bottom' of things. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com Under Construction Page for my Writing in General http://www.janet-ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jenn To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta) is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. jenn "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37414	From: greychildren	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Snail Babies!

I clown loaches and ghost shrimp in the same tank they don't hard em. I lost one shrimp due to high temps tried to cure ick infestation. but the Oder ones seen to doing OK just remember that shrimp need high harness level to keep there shells from going soft or i been told by Lenny --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > I hope to add shrimp to my tank someday. Will the loaches harm them? I'm going to assume they would harm the baby shrimp... > ooo... what to do.. what to do... > > hmm... maybe rotate the loach from tank to tank as needed? Would that be too stressful on them? > > PS... I only found one baby snail this am. And my betta seems to be prowling the two live plant areas. Maybe he got em' when I wasn't looking? I fed them bloodworms for the first time last night and the whole tank went into a feeding frenzy mode. So lively and fun!!! Then I went to bed... not seeing all the baby snails now. Took one group of plant out to inspect, too after my last post promising to flush em'. I may just tear down the whole tank, minus the water and 'get to the bottom' of things. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > Under Construction Page for my Writing in General > http://www.janet-ford.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jenn > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:28 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! > > > I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta) is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. > > It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. > > jenn > > "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37415	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

As far as fake plants, everyone should look at spending a few dollars more and getting silk plants as the plastic plants don't even come close to looking real. At least with silk plants, they look much more realistic. I have some silks mixed in with my real plants... especially hard to grow plants so the silk versions of those at least do well and don't die. LOL I've had a few of my articles published on other sites.. usually when someone plagiarizes them (sometimes an entire copy/paste of them) but sometimes because I belong to the forum and wrote an article or two for them... but I haven't checked for them on eHow yet but maybe I need to.. especially if someone might be making money off them. You've made "thousands of dollars"??? Over what time period? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snail Babies! Thanks Lenny. They aren't the malasian type. I did have those the last tank I had that I tried live plants with. They took over so I reverted back to plastic plants. In finding out the plastic plants could harm my precious betta's fins, I started looking up more info on live plants again (two decades later). Now I see I was a bad fishy mama to have them take over like they did. I did do the 10% weekly water change and syphoned my tank gravel often. (hate a dirty tank) but did not have any pleco's or other algae eaters so it was a battle there until I got them. Maybe that's the reason for my last outbreak so many years ago? I also kept my gravel super deep then. I liked to play with the shapes of the substrate with hills and valleys and such. Maybe they just had too much substrate also. I have about 4"-5" right now. Those undergravel filters I had weren't worth the time it took to lay them down, either. blech. Trying to be more educated now. Thank God I have the internet this go-round. I didn't have anything but a few books back then and they weren't very good. You should write for ehow, Lenny! You could make money writing about fish care! Seriously... I make thousands of dollars writing for them and I enjoy it. Same goes for others here with lots of knowledge. I've even written some fish articles. Of course, it's mostly on stuff I've had to research to learn how to do myself and then just shared that info. It would be better coming from the 'been there, already did it' crowd! :) Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37416	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

In case you missed it in the past, if feeding the freeze dried blood worms, make sure you rehydrate them first by soaking them in a spoonful of tank water for five minutes. There have been incidences of fish getting blocked up inside when the dried bloodworms rehydrate inside the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I hope to add shrimp to my tank someday. Will the loaches harm them? I'm going to assume they would harm the baby shrimp... ooo... what to do.. what to do... hmm... maybe rotate the loach from tank to tank as needed? Would that be too stressful on them? PS... I only found one baby snail this am. And my betta seems to be prowling the two live plant areas. Maybe he got em' when I wasn't looking? I fed them bloodworms for the first time last night and the whole tank went into a feeding frenzy mode. So lively and fun!!! Then I went to bed... not seeing all the baby snails now. Took one group of plant out to inspect, too after my last post promising to flush em'. I may just tear down the whole tank, minus the water and 'get to the bottom' of things. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com Under Construction Page for my Writing in General http://www.janet-ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jenn To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta) is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. jenn "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37417	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

It's good to have one or more shrimp caves to give the shrimp a place to hide when molting... although some bigger will still be able to eat them even with hard shells. Here's an example of a shrimp cave... http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/misc_critters/shrimp_ghost.htm (START SNIP) Every few months a Ghost Shrimp molts its exoskeleton. When this happens, it's soft body is exposed, and it's vulnerable to being eaten. You can protect your Ghost Shrimp by putting a piece of a broken flower pot on the bottom of your Ghost Shrimp's home to form a small hiding place for the Shrimp. Put the piece of the broken flower pot with it's inside facing down on the bottom of your Shrimp's home, so there is a small cave for your Shrimp to crawl under. If this cave is not big enough for the Shrimps, prop the piece of the flower pot up with a small rock or piece of gravel, or another piece of the broken flower pot. The idea is to give the Ghost Shrimp a hiding place that is too small for the other animals. So the Shrimp will be safe while it molts. Of course you must always be sure that everything, such as a piece of a broken flower pot, that goes into your Ghost Shrimp's home, is clean and not contaminated. (END SNIP) Make sure to sand down any sharp edges of the broken flower pot piece. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I hope to add shrimp to my tank someday. Will the loaches harm them? I'm going to assume they would harm the baby shrimp... ooo... what to do.. what to do... hmm... maybe rotate the loach from tank to tank as needed? Would that be too stressful on them? PS... I only found one baby snail this am. And my betta seems to be prowling the two live plant areas. Maybe he got em' when I wasn't looking? I fed them bloodworms for the first time last night and the whole tank went into a feeding frenzy mode. So lively and fun!!! Then I went to bed... not seeing all the baby snails now. Took one group of plant out to inspect, too after my last post promising to flush em'. I may just tear down the whole tank, minus the water and 'get to the bottom' of things. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Ironwood Coonhounds http://www.ironwoodkennel.com Under Construction Page for my Writing in General http://www.janet-ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jenn To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta) is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. jenn "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37418	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

More like high calcium levels to keep them having healthy harder shells... but calcium usually comes with high hardness levels... but not always. There are many ways to dose calcium into a tank. I find the cheapest and simplest is to buy a cuttlebone (used for birds) and then break off a few pieces and put them in your filter reservoir and they will slowly decay. Cuttlebone is 100% calcium carbonate... birds eat it for stronger beaks and bones. Folks with Mystery and Applesnails will often feed their critter calcium rich foods but I haven't seen where this is effective with shrimp. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! I clown loaches and ghost shrimp in the same tank they don't hard em. I lost one shrimp due to high temps tried to cure ick infestation. but the Oder ones seen to doing OK just remember that shrimp need high harness level to keep there shells from going soft or i been told by Lenny --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > I hope to add shrimp to my tank someday. Will the loaches harm them? I'm going to assume they would harm the baby shrimp... > ooo... what to do.. what to do... > > hmm... maybe rotate the loach from tank to tank as needed? Would that be too stressful on them? > > PS... I only found one baby snail this am. And my betta seems to be prowling the two live plant areas. Maybe he got em' when I wasn't looking? I fed them bloodworms for the first time last night and the whole tank went into a feeding frenzy mode. So lively and fun!!! Then I went to bed... not seeing all the baby snails now. Took one group of plant out to inspect, too after my last post promising to flush em'. I may just tear down the whole tank, minus the water and 'get to the bottom' of things. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer > http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Ironwood Coonhounds > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > Under Construction Page for my Writing in General > http://www.janet-ford.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jenn > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:28 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! > > > I have several loaches in my tank and have found that my "red tail Botia" (Yasuhikotakia modesta) is the best when it comes to getting rid of snails. > > It was the only one that didn't stop eating them once it reached adult size. I haven't seen a snail since I added it to the tank. And I do buy plants often. > > jenn > > "This is what you should do; Love the earth and sun and the animals." Walt Whitman

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37419	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Unfortunately I think mine were more 1 on 1, mine are glofish, and I bought in colors not genders ;) They no longer have any more out at the LFS, otherwise I would replace the 2 that died with a couple more females. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber (and Christy) > > Do you have enough females to males? That will change the way the > males act > also. It's best to have at least two females for each male so he's busy > chasing the babes all the time. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio > > My danio's now that I have 5 don't group up and gang on other fish, > sometimes they pair up and chase a tetra or platy, but they seem less > aggressive now that I have 2 less than before. > > Amber > > Christy Sylvest wrote: > > > > > > Ok > > I thought they might be like the tetras and they would keep to > > themselves in a school. I might have to rearrage thoughts again. > > Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, > > the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > > > Christy Sylvest > > cannsyl@... <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> > > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwork > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwork> > > s_022009 > > > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwor > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitwor> > > ks_022009> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37420	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies!

Thanks, Greychildren. I certainly have hard water in spades here. Really nice well water but as hard and calcium filled as you can get... much to the dismay of toilets and shower stalls everywhere... haha Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37421	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Silk Plants

I did get some silk plants because they had color and I'm not knowledgeable enough to invest in the more colorful live plants so I'm planning to mix them in for that reason. Also, got to be easier to clean! Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37422	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - bloodworms

Oh my! I did miss that. Thank you for sharing. I will do that. I plan on feeding it as a once or twice a week treat. Does that sound about right? Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37423	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp

Thanks. I have my heart set on Cherry Red Shrimp or some similar colorful variation. I do have 3 decor objects which are full of hiding places and caves. I'll be sure my big tank includes hiding places as well once I get it. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37424	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp, Calcium

Very cool. I'll get some cuttlebone. Sounds easy enough. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37425	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Noura very often an additive is added to the powder of a capsule as a diluent only. Your right it is not needed as a sticking agent, sweetener or coating agent since the inside of a capsule is all powder, but only to dilute the potent drug to a measurable amount.  I worked in the industry for 35 plus years and I know this for a fact.  I have made many of them although I have not dealt with this brand of minocycline I know that in some drugs of 50 to 100 mgs a diluent is needed.  I just needed to be checked.  It may be something that is harmless to the aquarium, but I would want to know for sure.  The minimum weight able amount on a pharmaceutical balance is 300 mg after all, so a diluent would have to be added to a powder so it could be accurately measured.  Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Noura Taweel <n-taweel@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:24:44 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: To return home, or not? Hi Jimmy, The fillers (such as starches, lubricants, sticking agents, sweeteners, coating agents, etc..) are found in "TABLETS" not in "CAPSULES", as the capsuled form of medication doesn't need those. Noura --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@. ..> wrote: > > You may need to check with the manufacturer of the mincycline casules you are using to make sure they are 100 per cent drug and do not contain some fillers. > > Sent from my iPod > Jimmy > > On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:48 PM, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@ ...> wrote: > > Okay, I didn't think (or at least I hoped not) that anyone here would > have given you that advice for Pop-Eye condition, but I can see your > use for it now with trying to prevent wound infection. Good to see > that you have Minocycline available to you. As yours is manufactured > for human treatment, I must assume it's "medicinal quality," or pure > Minocycline. If you can determine otherwise, please advise us; it > would otherwise appear as though the 50mg capsules are most probably > 100% Minocycline (50mg of Minocycline) activity. > > Treatment for Pop-Eye condition using Minocycline, one of the best > medications of choice against this disease -- if it's bacterial, is a > five (5) day treatment. Note, Pop-Eye condition can have other > causes, including viral infection, but most often its caused by an > Aeromonas bacteria (Pseudomonas punctata). Using 100% medicinal > activity, the treatment calls for 20mg per 10 gallon for the first > day (11mg per 5.5 gallons). For the second through the fifth day, > 10mg per 10 gallons (5..5mg per 5.5 gallons) each day is to be used. > To make things easier, I'd suggest dropping the water level to 5 > gallons. Then, for the first day, you need 1/5 (10mg) of one of > those 50mg capsules. For each of the 4 remaining days, you would > need 1/10 (5mg) of one of those 50mg capsules -- provided those > capsules are 100% activity. I point this out, as Mardel's Maracyn II > (Minocycline) is advertised as having only 10% Minocycline activity -- > but it's not manufactured for human treatment -- and is recommended > at 10 X this doseage as a result of this. > > It's always best to remove the carbon from your filter with most any > medication, to prevent its possible decrease in effectiveness. Some > sources state that if the carbon has been in use for about a week > that it's not necessary to take this step, but I would still > recommend its removal during treatment. > > As is always prudent, at least a 25% PWC should be done before the > start of any treatment, regardless of any treatments suggestion > otherwise -- possibly saying it's not necessary. This will help > ensure less stress on the fish due to any possible organic waste > build-up. If you take water tests of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate > just before medicating (as is always a good idea), and find your > ammonia and ntrite to be "0" and your nitrate at least below 40ppm > (and possibly lower), you really needn't do a preliminary PWC, but a > moderate change out with fresh water always serves to stimulate the > fish. During treatment, no PWC's are required. If by some chance at > the end of the 5-day period, that this is not cured, you may re- treat > the tank again one more time, after doing a minimum of a 33% PWC. > > I feel for the poor guy after reading your description of his trying > to find his food. I can't say whether or not this will cure him, > especially now that he's been like this for 6 months. Then too, it > could have another cause (such as a virus I mentioned), but it's > worth a try, and this is one of the best medications you can use > against a bacterial infection causing this. Please note though, that > Pop-Eye is not always cureable. Best of luck with him. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Ray > > Actually, I decided to put salt by myself because the swelling > > around the eye was wounded, the skin was open, and I was afraid of > > infections. > > > > We have "Minocycline" available in 50 and 100mg capsules, > > manifactured for human treatment, I can just open the capsule in > the > > quarantine tank. What is the recommended dose for 5.5 US Gallons? > > Should I remove activated carbon from the bubble up filter during > the > > treatment? What are the exact steps concerning the repetition of > the > > dose and PWCs? > > > > The fish sees with his eye, the other eye is slightly popped too, > but > > he became squint-eyed! He snaps his food about half an inch away > from > > the actual piece of food!! poor guy! But manages to catch it > > eventually.Do you think he can be cured? > > > > Thanks for the advice > > Noura > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@ > wrote: > > > > > > This (Pop-Eye) is not contagious, so you may move this fish back > to > > > the community tank withouit fear of any other fish contracting > it -- > > > > > but that would not gain any benefit for this fish.. I'm wondering > > > where you obtained that recommendation to use salt for Pop-Eye. > > Was > > > it someone on here, or did you just take this upon yourself -- > and > > > if, by yourself, why did you not come here first? > > > > > > I realize that many aquarium medications are not available near > > you. > > > Still, in case the needed ones are, you would never know. In the > > > absence of the proper antibiotic needed to treat this condition, > > you > > > may try 1 Tbs of Epsom salts per 5 gallons. While not a sure > cure, > > > it has been proven to be effective in some cases. If available, > > use > > > either Maracyn II (Minocycline) or Kanaplex (Kanamycin sufate). > If > > > not available Nalagram (Naladixic Acid) should work. Ray > > > > > p-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp- mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font- size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach- table { width: 400px; } --> --> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37426	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: eHow

Yes, Lenny, I've made thousands of dollars. What time period.. well, I'll be close to $2K for February alone. I've been writing for ehow for just over a year now. My husband was laid off just before Christmas but with ehow on my side, I'm not worried at all. I've written a book for beginners to help them understand how to profit from it, step by step. Not suggesting you buy it or anything but you may enjoy my explainations of things on my book page. http://www.janet_ford.com/ehowebook.html My ehow profile: http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html I set up 'watches' with www.statcounter.com . You can then track certain phrases, urls and such and they will send you email notifications. You could also try using copyscape for your blog. www.copyscape.com As a good tidbit... ehow has plagerism filters in place that alert them if someone attempts to plagerize. This will also trigger your own stuff published otherwise. Not a problem at all, you just confirm with them that it's your information and all is fine. However, due to Google not indexing 'copied' content as well as original, I suggest re-writing even your own stuff anyhow. My fish are my companions while I'm 'at work' in my office writing up ehow articles (or my books, I'm also an author). When my brain gets bogged down, I slide my chair over to them and escape into their world for a bit. That's what makes me love them so much. And why I need a bigger tank. ROTFL!! Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37427	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Snail Babies! - Shrimp, Calcium

You mentioned in another reply you just posted that you have hard water with lots of calcium so you should be OK without the cuttlebone. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Snail Babies! - Shrimp, Calcium Very cool. I'll get some cuttlebone. Sounds easy enough. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37428	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: eHow

Oops... I had a typo in the url of the book page. Sorry. http://www.janet-ford.com/ehowebook.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37429	From: angelandchase49@aim.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: fish illnesses

I just lost a female guppy today. For a while it was staying off by itself but still was eating and active. then yesterday it looked as if it was in process of labor not sure. I don't know the parameters of water as I have yet to get a test kit but I am saving to get one ASAP. I have been doing pwc once a week. I have a 10 gallon tank. Yesterday, the female I lost was swimming at a about a 45 degree angle. She was eating normally through out this. her tail was looking a bit raged as well [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37430	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

Huh, your LFS is ok with you bringing fish back? Can't think of any around here that wouldn't just laugh in my face:-) While we're on the subject of adequate lighting for low light plants, what would be the bare minimum needed? I have trouble keeping even the elodia alive in my frog tank and I have a zoo med reptisun bulb on there (2 years old but I figured the wave lengths would still be good for plants). erika wilmington,de, usa > A mated pair of angelfish as the primary display fish (buy five or six to > start, with the agreement with your LFS that you will return the extras as > soon as you have a pair) in a well planted tank and then some smaller fish > to kind of fill things in. You'll have to spend a little money on upgrading the lighting even if you go > with really easy to grow plants as most hex55's do not come with adequate > lighting for a planted tank. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37431	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: To return home, or not?

Diluent! Right point! Will check on that. Thanks Noura In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > Noura very often an additive is added to the powder of a capsule as a diluent only. Your right it is not needed as a sticking agent, sweetener or coating agent since the inside of a capsule is all powder, but only to dilute the potent drug to a measurable amount.  I worked in the industry for 35 plus years and I know this for a fact.  I have made many of them although I have not dealt with this brand of minocycline I know that in some drugs of 50 to 100 mgs a diluent is needed.  I just needed to be checked.  It may be something that is harmless to the aquarium, but I would want to know for sure.  The minimum weight able amount on a pharmaceutical balance is 300 mg after all, so a diluent would have to be added to a powder so it could be accurately measured. >  Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37432	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!

Hi, My name is Marilyn and I have a 55 gallon tank. I've had the tank for about 13 years or so. My husband was "in charge" of it and for years we had 1 very large (about 13") pleco. Then about 6 mos to a year ago my mother in law got hubby about 3 swordtails. 1 of those lived and had babies. So we had about 6 grown swodtails, about 20 or so babies and the "big guy". At work they had some fish and that got me interested again. So, last weekend I went out and got a bunch of fish and took over the tank. I got about 20 small fish. Hubby cleaned the tank just a little and we added them. Then I read about OTS and this weekend I got another 10 gallon tank and moved 3 guppies and 5 baby swords there using mostly 55 gal tank water. So, last weekend we had about a 10%? water change in the big tank and this weekend a 20% water change. We're starting to loose fish. I'm not really worried about the new fish as they're about a buck apiece, but I worried about the big pleco. So far, yesterday I realized we lost 2 new platies, and today I've seen 1 dead grown swordtail that was from the fish that were already there. Another "old" swordtail is sick. What can I do? My husband was terribly neglectful of the tank and wasn't changing the water like he was supposed to (like for months) - partially my fault too though. I just don't want to lose my pleco. He's looking kind of stressed today too. His color is too light. Thanks for any help. Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37433	From: isink_1080	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Aquarium Stand

I have a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium. The stand that you get with the tank only has support around the lip of the tank. There is no wood countertop that supports the weight of the entire tank.Plus there isn't much storage space underneath for much else once the canister filter is installed. I have searched around for other bowfront stand and they all seem to be the same. My question is do you think if i were to get a 75 gallon rectangle stand would that provide the proper support for the aquarium?. I would appricate any advice on this. Ildefonso

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37434	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: fish illnesses

Doing weekly 25% PWC's is good. Are you also vacuuming the substrate/gravel? Are you properly cleaning the filter also? While doing these things weekly is fine for most tanks, bi-weekly is even OK for other lightly stocked tanks... but if your tank is heavily stocked with more than the recommended bioload, then you may have to do more than weekly maintenance to keep the water quality in good condition. Does your tank smell OK? In the absence of test kits, the smell test is a useful tool. A properly maintained tank with no problems will smell kind of earthy and plain but will not have any funky smell to it. If it smells funky, even a little funky, then your maintenance is not sufficient. The swimming position is typical of a swim bladder issue which could be the swim bladder infected itself or one of the nearby organs being infected and swollen and pressing against the swim bladder or it's feeder tubes. The ragged tail could be from nipping or due to fin rot. Fin rot is most often caused by water quality issues which promote bad bacterial growth and then that bacteria attacks the fins of fish. Give the tank the old smell test and if it doesn't smell nice and earthy and fresh, then do a series of 25% PWC's, one every couple of hours or at least once a day, until you have done four or five of them and the gravel is coming up clean when you siphon the gravel. Read or re-read my article on my blog, "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you can make sure you are cleaning your filters properly but not over-cleaning them which can be bad for the nitrifying bacteria (the good ones). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelandchase49@... Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fish illnesses I just lost a female guppy today. For a while it was staying off by itself but still was eating and active. then yesterday it looked as if it was in process of labor not sure. I don't know the parameters of water as I have yet to get a test kit but I am saving to get one ASAP. I have been doing pwc once a week. I have a 10 gallon tank. Yesterday, the female I lost was swimming at a about a 45 degree angle. She was eating normally through out this. her tail was looking a bit raged as well

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37435	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

One of the criteria for a really good LFS that deals in cichlids is whether they let you bring fish back years later, or even buy fish that did not come from their store from hobbyists. The going rate is 1/3 of what they sell the fish for and you only get paid in store credit. Many cichlids are unsexed and unmated when you buy them as juvies. The strategy is to buy six, let them choose a mate on their own, and then return the rejected fish. Because they will be killed by the mated pair if you do not. I have two LFS that will do this, I always call first to ensure they can use the fish, and they usually want me to come at a convenient time. (During the workday for one, and Thursday night for the other.) _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex Huh, your LFS is ok with you bringing fish back? Can't think of any around here that wouldn't just laugh in my face:-) While we're on the subject of adequate lighting for low light plants, what would be the bare minimum needed? I have trouble keeping even the elodia alive in my frog tank and I have a zoo med reptisun bulb on there (2 years old but I figured the wave lengths would still be good for plants). erika wilmington,de, usa > A mated pair of angelfish as the primary display fish (buy five or six to > start, with the agreement with your LFS that you will return the extras as > soon as you have a pair) in a well planted tank and then some smaller fish > to kind of fill things in. You'll have to spend a little money on upgrading the lighting even if you go > with really easy to grow plants as most hex55's do not come with adequate > lighting for a planted tank. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37436	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand

The stand should support the frame of the tank and not put pressure (touch) on the tank anywhere inside the frame, like on the glass bottom. I would not try to adapt a 75G rectangle frame. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of isink_1080 Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Stand I have a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium. The stand that you get with the tank only has support around the lip of the tank. There is no wood countertop that supports the weight of the entire tank.Plus there isn't much storage space underneath for much else once the canister filter is installed. I have searched around for other bowfront stand and they all seem to be the same. My question is do you think if i were to get a 75 gallon rectangle stand would that provide the proper support for the aquarium?. I would appricate any advice on this. Ildefonso [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37437	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!

Get a test kit and test the water for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. It's possible when the tank was cleaned, the beneficial bacteria were killed and your tank is cycling. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book! Hi, My name is Marilyn and I have a 55 gallon tank. I've had the tank for about 13 years or so. My husband was "in charge" of it and for years we had 1 very large (about 13") pleco. Then about 6 mos to a year ago my mother in law got hubby about 3 swordtails. 1 of those lived and had babies. So we had about 6 grown swodtails, about 20 or so babies and the "big guy". At work they had some fish and that got me interested again. So, last weekend I went out and got a bunch of fish and took over the tank. I got about 20 small fish. Hubby cleaned the tank just a little and we added them. Then I read about OTS and this weekend I got another 10 gallon tank and moved 3 guppies and 5 baby swords there using mostly 55 gal tank water. So, last weekend we had about a 10%? water change in the big tank and this weekend a 20% water change. We're starting to loose fish. I'm not really worried about the new fish as they're about a buck apiece, but I worried about the big pleco. So far, yesterday I realized we lost 2 new platies, and today I've seen 1 dead grown swordtail that was from the fish that were already there. Another "old" swordtail is sick. What can I do? My husband was terribly neglectful of the tank and wasn't changing the water like he was supposed to (like for months) - partially my fault too though. I just don't want to lose my pleco. He's looking kind of stressed today too. His color is too light. Thanks for any help. Marilyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

Yes, my LFS will not only take fish back and give me store credit but I also sold them a 10" common pleco that I had rescued back in 2005 after he started getting too big for my 65G tank. I never even bought him from them but they still gave me $25.00 credit and sold him the next day for $50.00. They also buy cherry shrimp from me and I never bought them from the LFS. Any LFS that doesn't do this shouldn't be in business very long... that's why LFS stands for "Local" fish store, not a big box chain store. They can't compete with the prices of the big-box stores so their best chance of staying in business is to provide above average customer service and provide other services the big-box stores do not. I've seen stories of LFS taking a customers fish from them while they are moving and then after the people get moved into their new home, shipping all their fish to them... something you'd never get from a big-box store. Now... for lighting, for low-light, easy to grow plants (such as those I have links to on my "Planted Tank" article, with basic fluorescent lighting tubes, 1 to 2 watts per gallon should be sufficient for tanks up to 20" tall. The taller the tank (deeper the water), the more light that may be needed. The watts per gallon guideline that has been used for so long is pretty much obsolete now since lighting like CFL's, LED's, etc. where much less wattage bulbs put out much more lumens. For that 55hex, I'd probably go with a couple of CFL's since regular fluorescent tubes that would fit on top of the tank wouldn't put out much light. I think the 55hex would only hold 18" to 24" light bulbs so at least the CFL's would put out plenty of lumens for that length of bulb. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex Huh, your LFS is ok with you bringing fish back? Can't think of any around here that wouldn't just laugh in my face:-) While we're on the subject of adequate lighting for low light plants, what would be the bare minimum needed? I have trouble keeping even the elodia alive in my frog tank and I have a zoo med reptisun bulb on there (2 years old but I figured the wave lengths would still be good for plants). erika wilmington,de, usa > A mated pair of angelfish as the primary display fish (buy five or six to > start, with the agreement with your LFS that you will return the extras as > soon as you have a pair) in a well planted tank and then some smaller fish > to kind of fill things in. You'll have to spend a little money on upgrading the lighting even if you go > with really easy to grow plants as most hex55's do not come with adequate > lighting for a planted tank.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37439	From: garrywilliams59	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Hello Everyone

My names Garry and I ahve just started collecting fish, so far it is getting manic, I have now got 5 tanks, and a few fish, I have one tank with 2 gouramis and 3 molly's in, we had 3 gouramis but one was found dead this morning, I think it may be the Betta we had in the same tank as it was chasing this gourami around the day before so I removed it today into a seperate tank. I also have a number of goldfish in another tank, I kind of got hooked on them for some reason, especially the black moors, and I have some tetras 6 and a few barbs in there as well about 4. I am looking to build a bigger tank soon, and slowly move a few fish into it so I can get rid of the smaller tanks, so my question for today is. 1. can I put the Betta in with the mollys or which would all fit into together?. 2. One of the mollys is pregnant and so I went out and got a floating breeding tank but when do I put her in it and which of all these species will eat the fry if in the same tank with them. thanks Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37440	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand

I have the same tank and stand. What I did was install a shelf in the stand for small items. It's working out good. I just started the tank at the end of Jan. and have a good selection of fish, so far. I will be making a canopy top (to match the bottom) and if you want I'll post plans on how to make it.... It's a great tank.. Jim In a message dated 2/15/2009 6:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, isink_1080@... writes: I have a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium. The stand that you get with the tank only has support around the lip of the tank. There is no wood countertop that supports the weight of the entire tank.Plus there isn't much storage space underneath for much else once the canister filter is installed. I have searched around for other bowfront stand and they all seem to be the same. My question is do you think if i were to get a 75 gallon rectangle stand would that provide the proper support for the aquarium?. I would appricate any advice on this. Ildefonso **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37441	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

Here are the results of the water tests: Ammonia - normal Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as high as test would go) KH (alkalinity) - 40 PH - 6.8   I forgot to send this earlier.    Thanks, Marilyn   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37442	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37443	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book!

Without much maintenance done in the tank, the water parameters have probably changed quite a bit. Since it was a gradual change, the fish you had got used to it. Now, hubby got a bit ambitious and did some cleaning, you then did a 10% water change followed by a 20% change, and the water parameters have probably changed too quickly for the fish to handle. Also, you mentioned you added about 20 new fish, which have placed an additional biological load on the tank. As Donna ha mentioned, you need to test the water. We need to know what the measurements are for pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and temperature. We would also need those measurements, except the temperature, of the water from your tap--a test done right away, and, from the same water sample, another test at 24, then 48 hours. Also, we need to know if you are on town water, and what is being added to the water for bacterial control--plain chlorine or chloramines. With all this information, we can better advise you how to bring the tank back into a balance with a minimal loss of your fish. Many people here recommend the API Master Test Kit, since it can be had, usually, for under $20. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - need help - sorry to write a book! > > Hi, My name is Marilyn and I have a 55 gallon tank. I've had the tank for about 13 years or > so. My husband was "in charge" of it and for years we had 1 very large (about 13") pleco. > Then about 6 mos to a year ago my mother in law got hubby about 3 swordtails. 1 of those > lived and had babies. So we had about 6 grown swodtails, about 20 or so babies and the "big > guy". At work they had some fish and that got me interested again. So, last weekend I went > out and got a bunch of fish and took over the tank. I got about 20 small fish. Hubby cleaned > the tank just a little and we added them. Then I read about OTS and this weekend I got > another 10 gallon tank and moved 3 guppies and 5 baby swords there using mostly 55 gal tank > water. So, last weekend we had about a 10%? water change in the big tank and this weekend > a 20% water change. We're starting to loose fish. I'm not really worried about the new fish > as they're about a buck apiece, but I worried > about the big pleco. So far, yesterday I realized we lost 2 new platies, and today I've seen 1 > dead grown swordtail that was from the fish that were already there. Another "old" > swordtail is sick. What can I do? > My husband was terribly neglectful of the tank and wasn't changing the water like he was > supposed to (like for months) - partially my fault too though. > I just don't want to lose my pleco. He's looking kind of stressed today too. His color is too > light. > Thanks for any help. > Marilyn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37444	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Christy, Do you have Zebra Danio's? I've been seeing you and Amber throwing "danio" back and forth but Danio is a genus, not a species. There are many different types of "danio's". Zebra Danio's are the ones that have been genetically altered to be Glo-Fish(T). I just want to make sure you aren't adding Zebra Danio Glo-Fish and thinking they will school with other types of danio's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:29 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37445	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

Marilyn, There is no such thing as normal for any of those tests. What is the number you got on your ammonia test? Nitrates are headed to the very dangerous zone, as far as we can tell right now. I have sent you a message which was delayed on this end when I got caught up in the movie on TV <g>. Please do the tests on your tap water as was suggested, and report each test result. Once we start getting results from you we will make suggestions. Some will panic when they see the nitrate test you posted. Ignore them. They have been pretty much brainwashed by advertisements and kooks. We will get those nitrates down for you once we arrive at a regimen for fixing your tank. The loss of the fish was probably caused by the combination of GH and nitrates more than anything else. The change for them compared to what they may have been used to was simply too much for them to adequately deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > > Here are the results of the water tests: > Ammonia - normal > Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 > GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as high as test would go) > KH (alkalinity) - 40 > PH - 6.8 > > I forgot to send this earlier. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Stand

There does not need to be a wood top. For example, wrought iron stands do not have a wooden top and the outside edges of the tank frame simply sit on top of the iron frame. My own 65G DIY tank stand (details on my blog) also does not have a top, although I did put one cross member across the top directly under the frame's bottom cross member. If the 75G stand does have a top and the top is larger than the footprint of the bowfront, then it would be OK to use... but if the entire footprint of the bowfront does not fit on the top, then it would NOT be. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of isink_1080 Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Stand I have a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium. The stand that you get with the tank only has support around the lip of the tank. There is no wood countertop that supports the weight of the entire tank.Plus there isn't much storage space underneath for much else once the canister filter is installed. I have searched around for other bowfront stand and they all seem to be the same. My question is do you think if i were to get a 75 gallon rectangle stand would that provide the proper support for the aquarium?. I would appricate any advice on this. Ildefonso

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37447	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Yes I have 6 zebra danios right now. I was thinking about adding a few glo-fish but I wanted to check it out first and make sure they would be healthy and possibly school with the other zebras...or if I would have to have two separate schools. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37448	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

I have not seen anything on the behavior of the interaction between the genetically mutated glo-fish, and the unaltered zebrafish. It would be an interesting experiment to find if the unaltered fish accept the glo-fish as a normal zebra or not. Behavior or the two should be the same, but the normal fish may be able to perceive the alteration and not really accept the glo-fish. The one thing I would worry about is if the altered and unaltered fish bred, you would have something that is not truly altered, but is not entirely unaltered. In the small world of your tank/fishroom, this may not be a problem, but we would not want to spread any suspect fry from such a mating around. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Christy Sylvest > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:56 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio > > > Yes I have 6 zebra danios right now. I was thinking about adding a few glo-fish but I wanted > to check it out first and make sure they would be healthy and possibly school with the other > zebras...or if I would have to have two separate schools. > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_ 022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37449	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

Marilyn, Like \\Steve// says, it took a long time for your tank to get "bad" and the fish you had in there had slowly acclimated to the "bad" water so now you must slowly acclimate the tank back to a "good" condition. Unfortunately for the new fish you added, they were likely use to good water and your bad water was just too much for many of them to handle. I wish you would have found the group first so we could have helped you get the tank back into good shape first. Give us your tap water baseline test numbers and maybe start doing 10% PWC's (partial water changes) siphon vacuuming your gravel as much as possible with each 10% PWC. You should start doing these 10% PWC's daily until we have more info on your tap water numbers and your tank's ammonia level. It's good, right now, that your pH is only 6.8 as that will make ammonia much less toxic... if there is any ammonia at all. Siphoning the detritus out of the gravel will also help take some of the load off of the ecology of the tank as that decaying detritus is putting out a lot of ammonia and is also a breeding ground for bad bacteria. You just have to take things slow and steady. Tell us what kind of filter system(s) you have? Brand, model number, etc. DO NOT change out your filter cartridges or media... hoping you haven't done this already as the good nitrifying bacteria live mostly in the filter media so when you trash a filter, you will be causing major disruption to the ecology of a tank and put the tank into a new nitrogen cycle. As you get the tank water back into good shape over the next week or so, we can also come up with a plan for you to do proper filter maintenance so you don't mess it up too much. Since you are seeing a slight nitrite reading, add a pinch of salt per 10G of water and that will protect the fish from nitrite poisoning. Take the 6 pinches of salt and mix it in some tank water first and then pour it into the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results Marilyn, There is no such thing as normal for any of those tests. What is the number you got on your ammonia test? Nitrates are headed to the very dangerous zone, as far as we can tell right now. I have sent you a message which was delayed on this end when I got caught up in the movie on TV <g>. Please do the tests on your tap water as was suggested, and report each test result. Once we start getting results from you we will make suggestions. Some will panic when they see the nitrate test you posted. Ignore them. They have been pretty much brainwashed by advertisements and kooks. We will get those nitrates down for you once we arrive at a regimen for fixing your tank. The loss of the fish was probably caused by the combination of GH and nitrates more than anything else. The change for them compared to what they may have been used to was simply too much for them to adequately deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > > Here are the results of the water tests: > Ammonia - normal > Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as > high as test would go) KH (alkalinity) - 40 PH - 6.8 > > I forgot to send this earlier. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

They will school together since they are the same species. Just remember to quarantine any new fish so you limit the chances of introducing any new pathogens into your main display tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:56 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio Yes I have 6 zebra danios right now. I was thinking about adding a few glo-fish but I wanted to check it out first and make sure they would be healthy and possibly school with the other zebras...or if I would have to have two separate schools. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37451	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

OK. The number for the ammonia test is between .25 & .5   I'm on city water in Kansas City, MO Tap water results are: Ammonia between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 20 Hardness GH - 75 Alkalinity KH -80 PH 8.4   Also, I used "Start Right with Allantoin" to treat the water I added. A few days after I added all the fish I added 7 capfuls of "cycle" to add beneficial bacteria.   Thanks for the help, Marilyn --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:00 PM Marilyn, There is no such thing as normal for any of those tests. What is the number you got on your ammonia test? Nitrates are headed to the very dangerous zone, as far as we can tell right now. I have sent you a message which was delayed on this end when I got caught up in the movie on TV <g>. Please do the tests on your tap water as was suggested, and report each test result. Once we start getting results from you we will make suggestions. Some will panic when they see the nitrate test you posted. Ignore them. They have been pretty much brainwashed by advertisements and kooks. We will get those nitrates down for you once we arrive at a regimen for fixing your tank. The loss of the fish was probably caused by the combination of GH and nitrates more than anything else. The change for them compared to what they may have been used to was simply too much for them to adequately deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > > Here are the results of the water tests: > Ammonia - normal > Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 > GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as high as test would go) > KH (alkalinity) - 40 > PH - 6.8 > > I forgot to send this earlier. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37452	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Overall they are a medium hardy fish, they seem to get sick easily when it comes to ich and fin and tail rot, as I lost my last school to those. I replaced the last school in early November, these fish are from the 7 I bought back then, only 5 left now (lost 2 to ich in December). They've been doing very good since then though. So as long as I keep the ich off I should be fine ;) Amber Christy Sylvest wrote: > I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

With the ammonia reading, it indicates that your tank is going through a mini cycle to handle the additional bio-load, and the ammonia from the tap water. The pH of the tap water is also much higher than that in the tank. The pH reading of the tap water sample will help us determine if 8.6 is the actual value, or if it has been increased by the water people in KC. (BTW, one of the better water chemists in the hobby lives just outside KC.) If the tap water pH drops, it means that your water people are trying to save themselves from having to do as much work on their pipes as they would with a lower pH. The ammonia present in the tap water is an indicator that your water contains chloramines, and should be treated with a water conditioner that will handle the chloramines. These conditioners should, ideally, break the bond between the chlorine and ammonia, and neutralize the ammonia by changing it into a less toxic form for the fish that will still be consumed by your ammonia loving bacteria. Cycle is not worth the effort to take it off the store shelf, never mind having to pay for it. Might as well throw your money down the drain, which is exactly what you do if you use it. Same with StartRight. For a water conditioner you should try Ultimate distributed by HikariUSA. Prime is purported to do nearly the same job. Since you already have a good bacterial bed going, it just needs to be increased, and this will happen on its own. If you do want to boost the colonies fast, like right away, look for some Dr. Tim's One and Only, though shipping in the cold weather has proved problematical for this product, but I don't think it is necessary at this juncture. Now, let's start working on a tank maintenance schedule for you. Once you get the proper water conditioner, do a 10% water change. Add the water conditioner before you add the water to the tank, based on the amount you have removed--5-6 gallons in the case of a 10% water change. While changing the water, be sure to vacuum the gravel bed to remove accumulated debris. Just focus on one small area at a time while removing the water. The next water change, you can move to an adjacent area. The secret here is that you want to remove a small amount of water so that the measured parameters do not change much, but start heading in the direction we want--the nitrogenous readings down, and the pH up. At this time, also clean the filter by rinsing the media in the removed water. This way, you will start removing the debris caught be the media, without destroying the bacterial colonies in the media. Don't worry about getting the media perfectly clean, you will not, especially after all this time. However, as time moves on, it will get better. Once we get the final readings from your tap water sample, we will be ready to do another water change of 10% while cleaning another section of the gravel, and be ready to implement a regimen to carry on until things are once again stable in the tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > > OK. > The number for the ammonia test is between .25 & .5 > > I'm on city water in Kansas City, MO > Tap water results are: > Ammonia between 0 & .25 > Nitrate - 20 > Hardness GH - 75 > Alkalinity KH -80 > PH 8.4 > > Also, I used "Start Right with Allantoin" to treat the water I added. > A few days after I added all the fish I added 7 capfuls of "cycle" to add beneficial bacteria. > > Thanks for the help, > Marilyn > > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:00 PM > > > > > > > Marilyn, > > There is no such thing as normal for any of those tests. What is the > number you got on your ammonia test? > > Nitrates are headed to the very dangerous zone, as far as we can tell > right now. > > I have sent you a message which was delayed on this end when I got > caught up in the movie on TV <g>. Please do the tests on your tap water > as was suggested, and report each test result. Once we start getting > results from you we will make suggestions. > > Some will panic when they see the nitrate test you posted. Ignore them. > They have been pretty much brainwashed by advertisements and kooks. We > will get those nitrates down for you once we arrive at a regimen for > fixing your tank. The loss of the fish was probably caused by the > combination of GH and nitrates more than anything else. The change for > them compared to what they may have been used to was simply too much for > them to adequately deal with. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > marilyn barnett > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test > results > > > > Here are the results of the water tests: > > Ammonia - normal > > Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) > > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 > > GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as high as test would go) > > KH (alkalinity) - 40 > > PH - 6.8 > > > > I forgot to send this earlier. > > > > Thanks, > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37454	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results

Do NOT add any more of the Hagen Cycle. It does not have the right kinds of bacteria to actually "cycle" a tank and the bacteria it does have will actually help to create more ammonia... something you don't want right now. The Jungle Brand Start Right, as a dechlor is overkill also. It's not the worst thing in the world but there's no need to add allantoin (whatever that is) to a tank. When you run out of Start Right, just buy a simple dechlor that also treats heavy metals.... there's no need for the stress-this, slime-that type junk that so many companies want to add to their products simply so they can get a higher price from unsuspecting customers. The two simple dechlors that I use and recommend are either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. They are both much more concentrated than many other dechlor products so you get the most value with them. They use 1 or 2 ml of product per 10G of water where many others use 5ml or 10ml of product per 10G of water. Keep that gallon of tap water that you just tested, on the side, and re-test the same water at 24 hours and 48 hours. This will give you your true tap water baseline. Right now, with the tap water having such a high pH, compare to the tank (mainly due to the "dirty" water in the tank), you need to limit the size of PWC's to no more than 10% each time as that will raise the pH by 0.2 each time.. which is about the most you ever want to change the pH at any one time so it doesn't cause pH shock. There's a chance that the 10% and 20% PWC's that you did close together might have raised the pH from a much lower number, up to the 6.8 pH so your older fish might be showing some signs of pH shock. All you can do now is keep the tank stabile and let them acclimate to the water. As they start to act OK again, then you can do small 10% or less PWC's to keep slowly improving the water quality while not altering the chemistry too much, too fast. With your city water having nitrates at 20ppm, in the future, you will have to strive to keep the nitrates below 40ppm by doing more frequent 25% PWC's since your replacement water will have 20ppm coming in. Eventually, getting some live plants will further help keep the nitrate levels below 40ppm in between PWC's but we can work on that later as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results OK. The number for the ammonia test is between .25 & .5   I'm on city water in Kansas City, MO Tap water results are: Ammonia between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 20 Hardness GH - 75 Alkalinity KH -80 PH 8.4   Also, I used "Start Right with Allantoin" to treat the water I added. A few days after I added all the fish I added 7 capfuls of "cycle" to add beneficial bacteria.   Thanks for the help, Marilyn --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:00 PM Marilyn, There is no such thing as normal for any of those tests. What is the number you got on your ammonia test? Nitrates are headed to the very dangerous zone, as far as we can tell right now. I have sent you a message which was delayed on this end when I got caught up in the movie on TV <g>. Please do the tests on your tap water as was suggested, and report each test result. Once we start getting results from you we will make suggestions. Some will panic when they see the nitrate test you posted. Ignore them. They have been pretty much brainwashed by advertisements and kooks. We will get those nitrates down for you once we arrive at a regimen for fixing your tank. The loss of the fish was probably caused by the combination of GH and nitrates more than anything else. The change for them compared to what they may have been used to was simply too much for them to adequately deal with. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Intro & old tank syndrome - water test results > > Here are the results of the water tests: > Ammonia - normal > Nitrate - at least 200 ppm (bright pink - as high as test would go) > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH (total hardness) - at least 300ppm (as > high as test would go) KH (alkalinity) - 40 PH - 6.8 > > I forgot to send this earlier. > > Thanks, > Marilyn >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37455	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Well, I have about 8 danios at the moment, prefer to have 10 - would they get on alright with a betta? I'm also afraid taht if I put a betta in the big tank it would hide and I'd never see it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christy Sylvest" <cannsyl@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:14 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio I was thinking like 10 danios and the betta and then maybe some corys...maybe julii corys think they would pick on him? maybe another school of something...gold barb, red eye tetra, leopard danio, neon tetra, molly? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37456	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Why wouldn't glo-fish school with normal danios - only difference is teh color. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio Christy, Do you have Zebra Danio's? I've been seeing you and Amber throwing "danio" back and forth but Danio is a genus, not a species. There are many different types of "danio's". Zebra Danio's are the ones that have been genetically altered to be Glo-Fish(T). I just want to make sure you aren't adding Zebra Danio Glo-Fish and thinking they will school with other types of danio's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:29 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37457	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: eHow

Man, you are creative in thinking about things to write about. "How to write upside down in twitter". Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] eHow Yes, Lenny, I've made thousands of dollars. What time period.. well, I'll be close to $2K for February alone. I've been writing for ehow for just over a year now. My husband was laid off just before Christmas but with ehow on my side, I'm not worried at all. I've written a book for beginners to help them understand how to profit from it, step by step. Not suggesting you buy it or anything but you may enjoy my explainations of things on my book page. http://www.janet_ford.com/ehowebook.html My ehow profile: http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html I set up 'watches' with www.statcounter.com . You can then track certain phrases, urls and such and they will send you email notifications. You could also try using copyscape for your blog. www.copyscape.com As a good tidbit... ehow has plagerism filters in place that alert them if someone attempts to plagerize. This will also trigger your own stuff published otherwise. Not a problem at all, you just confirm with them that it's your information and all is fine. However, due to Google not indexing 'copied' content as well as original, I suggest re-writing even your own stuff anyhow. My fish are my companions while I'm 'at work' in my office writing up ehow articles (or my books, I'm also an author). When my brain gets bogged down, I slide my chair over to them and escape into their world for a bit. That's what makes me love them so much. And why I need a bigger tank. ROTFL!! Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37458	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: eHow

Thanks. I try. But the Twitter isn't so odd. I have articles from How to Make Elephant Stew (with real elephants) to How to Kill Your Dog (sarcasm). I try to have fun with it. My How to Use Soft Drinks to Kill Rats and Mice went to the front page of Digg in less than two hours. LOL Janet Man, you are creative in thinking about things to write about. "How to write upside down in twitter". Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37459	From: Gail	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone

My best personal advice would be to keep the Betta by himself in a bowl or small tank. My Betta enjoys being on the island in the kitchen, so he can "people watch" lol. I don't think I would ever trust my Betta with my Gouramis, I keep them in a seperate community tank. The only compatible fish I could find for my Betta - was glo-fish (they are like neon colored danios) They are too fast for the Betta to catch. I have my Gouramis and mollies in one big tank with my tiger barbs etc. I can totally relate to being Manic and buying lots of fun fish. That is what I do. I am incredibly impulsive, and I have an eclectic mix in my 55 gal. I hope this helps you a bit. I have also found that my Betta prefers the big bowl and he likes the stagnant water; so he can create his bubble-nests. BTW the more bubbles, the more happy he is. :D

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37460	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Severum

If I get my Severum a buddy severum (a baby from the LFS), is my current Severum likely to pick on the little one? The one I have now is about 4 inches long now, and the juveniles at the fish store are probably about an inch and a half long. My current severum is pretty docile unless one of the other fish chases him, then he will charge back at them. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37461	From: gail	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

Is it a Pictus Catfish? With long whiskers and a spotted body? I have one of those, and they don't seem to grow incredibly fast. What state are you in? That makes me sad that you want to get rid of some of your fish on Craigslist.:( But then again, I have a crowded 50 gallon. Ooops, so I am guilty of overstocking :D -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37462	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

Yes I found it yesterday on a forum I belong to. It is a pictus catfish...I also apparently have an irridescent shark...I will probably not be using craigslist, there is a LFS near me in austin that will take in my extra fishies. Hopefully they will find them an appropriate home. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@... > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:58:00 -0800 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stocking options? > > Is it a Pictus Catfish? With long whiskers and a spotted body? I have one of those, and they don't seem to grow incredibly fast. What state are you in? That makes me sad that you want to get rid of some of your fish on Craigslist.:( But then again, I have a crowded 50 gallon. Ooops, so I am guilty of overstocking :D -gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37463	From: Lisa	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Kuhli loach and a male betta...

Will my kuhli loach be okay with my male betta? I got it trapped in there when I installed the divider. So far it seems to be okay, but I don't like the possibility that it might be in danger But the kuhli is so damn hard to catch! Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37464	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take them to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature versions that would be perfect for your tank. Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't matter what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not from the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes it's CO2 from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37465	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

I hate them and I think that it's a cruel thing to do to any animal. --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:28 PM I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37466	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Severum

Yes, the little one will definitely get abused.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37467	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

This is not like the dyeing or painting of fish, that I agree is a horrible practice. These fish were genetically altered. They breed true. The fish do not suffer. They serve a scientific purpose. It is a side benefit that these fish also are desirable in the aquarium. If you already knew this then I do not understand your position, if you were thinking of the dyeing and painting practice I understand and agree. On 2/17/09, Samuel Pearson <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > I hate them and I think that it's a cruel thing to do to any animal. > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: > > From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:28 PM > > I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do > you like them? Do they seem healthy? > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37468	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...

I don't remember why you put the separator in but if the Betta is being so obstinate that you needed a separator from the rest of the fish, I would probably just put him in his own small tank. Sometimes, a Betta simply will not make the transition to a community tank if they've lived on their own most of their lives. Keep an eye on him with the Kuhli. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kuhli loach and a male betta... Will my kuhli loach be okay with my male betta? I got it trapped in there when I installed the divider. So far it seems to be okay, but I don't like the possibility that it might be in danger. But the kuhli is so damn hard to catch! Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37469	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

In the tank with the grogs are some glass shrimp, a large school of guppies and a betta. I'm thinking maybe its just not the right type of light for the plants? erika wilmington,de,usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take them > to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature > versions that would be perfect for your tank. > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't matter > what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not from > the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes it's CO2 > from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs > letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 > being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37470	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc

Here are my 24 hour tap readings: Ammonia between .5 & 3.0 (closer to 3.0) Nitrate 20 Nitrite between 0 & .5 Hardness 150 KH between 40 & 80 pH 7.8 last night's reading on the tank: Ammonia between 0 & .25 Nitrate 200+ Nitrite between .5 & 1 hardness 300+ KH between 0 & 40 pH 6.8 The sick swordtail is looking a little better - dorsal fin not as clamped and has stopped the shimmy he was doing a couple days ago. Pleco looks OK. Still a little light. Everybody is eating this morning. I did find some Prime at Petco but I want to wait till the fish settle down a little more and look normal before I start changing water again. Thanks, Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37471	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

Of course, if you let the elodea/anacharis float, it will absorb CO2 from the air and will also get more lighting. I have the most growth from my anacharis by letting it float. Once it's long enough, you can "plant" the stalks and leave it long enough for the top to float on the surface a little so at least that section can absorb CO2 from the air and it will get distributed to the rest of the plant. There are a couple of species of elodea/anacharis that is commonly sold in the hobby and at least one of them is more of a cold water plant so if you have that one and it's in water that is too warm, that would adversely affect it. Buy it from a pond/aquatic gardening center and you are more likely to get the right species. As far as CO2 in the water, if the gravel in your frog tank is "dirty", the decaying detritus will also put out carbon in the form of carbonic acid so carbon for the plants can come from more than just CO2... but we try to NOT have dirty tanks so it's best to NOT rely on decaying detritus as a form of carbon for your plants. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take them to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature versions that would be perfect for your tank. Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't matter what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not from the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes it's CO2 from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37472	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Samuel, Glo-Fish are not like dyed/tattooed fish. There is no cruelty involved in Glo-Fish. I'm with you on not liking them, just like I don't like day-glo colored plastic plants in my tanks... but some folks do... you know how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, otherwise Rosie O'Donnell would never have a girlfriend. <G> The glowing effect is from a genetic enhancement that was done many years ago and is now passed on from generation to generation. The genetic enhancement was first developed in Ricefish and was supposed to be a way for the fish to react to certain pollutants in the water but those experiments seemed to not work as planned so the technology was then used to start the Glo-Fish Zebra Danio's and have pretty much been licensed all over the world now, albeit some countries/states do not allow them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Pearson Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio I hate them and I think that it's a cruel thing to do to any animal. --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:28 PM I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do you like them? Do they seem healthy? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37473	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

i think you may be right, you said that you were using repti-sun lamps, right? So it may be giving off the wrong wave lengths. However if you get some anubias, or some species of the smaller swordplants, or some aponogeton bulbs, the ones that you get from wal-mart, or at your lfs. They should all do fine with a moderate amout of light. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "erikaandnewton" <emcisme@...> wrote: > > In the tank with the grogs are some glass shrimp, a large school of > guppies and a betta. I'm thinking maybe its just not the right type > of light for the plants? > > erika wilmington,de,usa > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@> > wrote: > > > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take > them > > to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. > > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature > > versions that would be perfect for your tank. > > > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't > matter > > what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not > from > > the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes > it's CO2 > > from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs > > letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 > > being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37474	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc

Hmmmmm... I'm curious... what brand test kit are you using? That ammonia reading is kind of strange. The 0.5ppm would be expected if, like many, your utility uses chloramines to disinfect the water but 3.0ppm is much higher. It's also a BIG jump on the scale. Don't you have 1.0 and 2.0 also? I see your pH did drop from the 8.4 to 7.8.. which is good in a way since most fish will acclimate to 7.8, where 8.4 would limit the fish you should keep. The higher pH right out the tap is due to various buffers added by the utility to raise the pH in the pipes to limit the corrosion that is caused by acidic water (below 7.0 pH conditions). Lets see what the 48 hour numbers are as the pH could come down even more. I would still do at least 10% PWC per day as you need to slowly get the water back to normal. Not knowing how high your nitrates are, it's best to not have them at such high levels. Even doing 10% a day, it will take you a week or two or more to get them down to more acceptable levels... probably around 40ppm in your case since your tap has 20ppm to start with. You should also complain to your utility.. or at least check their website for their explanation... as the EPA recommends no more than 10ppm from tap water... although many utilities get waivers if their water supply is from reservoirs or water sources that get lots of farm runoff. Did you add the pinch of salt per 10G (5-6 pinches)? Your tank is at least going through a mini-cycle with the ammonia/nitrite readings.. which should be 0.0ppm in a fully cycled tank. The pinch of salt per 10G will help protect the fish from nitrite poisoning. Your ammonia levels are nothing to worry about right now with your low pH in the tank. If your tank was 7.8 pH, then even 0.25ppm to 0.5ppm of ammonia could become toxic. I'm not sure if you have a PetsMart nearby but down here, PetsMart prices are MUCH better than Petco's... at least for everything that I've ever compared over the years. Try to copy/paste or include at least a couple of replies in your replies so we can see the history of the thread a little better. \\Steve's// memory isn't what it used to be. <G> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc Here are my 24 hour tap readings: Ammonia between .5 & 3.0 (closer to 3.0) Nitrate 20 Nitrite between 0 & .5 Hardness 150 KH between 40 & 80 pH 7.8 last night's reading on the tank: Ammonia between 0 & .25 Nitrate 200+ Nitrite between .5 & 1 hardness 300+ KH between 0 & 40 pH 6.8 The sick swordtail is looking a little better - dorsal fin not as clamped and has stopped the shimmy he was doing a couple days ago. Pleco looks OK. Still a little light. Everybody is eating this morning. I did find some Prime at Petco but I want to wait till the fish settle down a little more and look normal before I start changing water again. Thanks, Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37475	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...

It all depends on the size of the space and how many hiding places are available. I would say if the kuhli has enough places to hide he should be fine, but if they are cramped then the kuhli will more than likely be the victim of a relentless betta. I've kept quite a few community tanks and most of them had bettas in them, and each fish has it's own personality, I've also kept kuhlie's and there pretty tough and I once had a group of the in a tank with convict cichlids and firemouths, and if they could survive that then I'm pretty sure they can take a betta.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37476	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Yeah I read the little web page and it all sounds good, but I still have questions, but if you want them then don't let anything I say deter you from purchasing them. --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:32 AM This is not like the dyeing or painting of fish, that I agree is a horrible practice. These fish were genetically altered. They breed true. The fish do not suffer. They serve a scientific purpose. It is a side benefit that these fish also are desirable in the aquarium. If you already knew this then I do not understand your position, if you were thinking of the dyeing and painting practice I understand and agree. On 2/17/09, Samuel Pearson <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > I hate them and I think that it's a cruel thing to do to any animal. > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: > > From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Betta and danio > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:28 PM > > I was thinking about getting a few of those glo-fish for my danio school. Do > you like them? Do they seem healthy? > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> > �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. > , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37477	From: Wendie	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...

Kuhlis need to be kept in groups of at least 3 or more. ----- Original Message ----- From: va22_vyshys To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta... It all depends on the size of the space and how many hiding places are available. I would say if the kuhli has enough places to hide he should be fine, but if they are cramped then the kuhli will more than likely be the victim of a relentless betta. I've kept quite a few community tanks and most of them had bettas in them, and each fish has it's own personality, I've also kept kuhlie's and there pretty tough and I once had a group of the in a tank with convict cichlids and firemouths, and if they could survive that then I'm pretty sure they can take a betta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37478	From: Rich	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Some great info on Betta tankmates can be found here:   http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index.php?showtopic=14389   Zebra Danios are listed as "Potentially Compatible":   "Zebra Danios: While some keepers have had success with this small, peaceful species, they are not suggested tank mates for male bettas due to their propensity to nip fins (females probably "ok"). The zebra danio is very hardy and stands up better to harassment that some topical fish. However, they are a schooling species preferring lower temperatures and larger living conditions than is ideal for bettas." Mollies aren't recommended:   "Mollies: Mollies are an often aggressive species with a preference for high pH, hardness, and salinity. While the color and size of some types may seem acceptable, the disposition and demanded water parameters are not. Long finned bettas in particular are at risk from both the water conditions and aggression of mollies."   My betta is on his own in my 5 gallon hex (with a few small pond snails he sometimes snacks on). They're solitary fish in the wild.   Rich   > Will my betta get along with a school of Zebra Danios in a 20g tank (24x12x16)?  > right now he is fine with a couple of mollys and a couple of flame tetras...but > I am rearranging tanks.  Thanks > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." > -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37479	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Betta and danio

Thanks for posting the link. It was a great read. And incredibly helpful, I would have never thought to house my otoclius catfish or Cory catfish with a Betta. A novel idea. I did house a betta with an African Dwarf frog, it worked out well; they both liked blood worms. :D -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37480	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking options?

Yeah, I highly suggest the LFS. Some fish could sit on Craigslist for weeks. However Craigslist is a great spot for finding new tanks. I found my 20 gallon complete set-up with hood, heater, food, decoration, auto fish feeder, filter system and cleaning supplies for only $50. What a steal!! Too bad you aren't here in Utah. I'd adopt your fishies in a heartbeat :D -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37481	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Moving and water change

Hi All, I am considering moving to town and I obtained a water sample from the place I am moving into.  My current tap water parameters after 36 hours are as follows: pH   7.4 KH 5 GH 5 Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 The parameters of the new tap water after 36 hours and treating with Topfin Tap Water Dechlorinator (removes Chlorine/Chlormaine/Heavy Metals) are: pH 8.2 KH 8 GH 1 (turned green after 1 st drop) Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 My fish are a variety of Gouramis (3 Spot, Blue, Pearl, Banded, Honey, Golden) as well as some Ottos, Corys and Bristlenose plecs (not in the same tank).  What problems do you foresee me having? The move is about 30 miles and I'll be asking some moving questions later.    Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37482	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Depending on how many tanks/gallons you have, you could start doing 10% PWC's with the "town's" water at about 10% each time, every couple of days, to start acclimating the fish to their new water before you make the move. If you can't do that, then you want to bring enough of your own water with you to the new place so when you re-set the tanks, they have their same water (enough empty 30G+ garbage cans in the back of a truck and fill them up and then siphon that water into the tanks, once set up at the new place, so you want the garbage cans up high.. hopefully the house isn't raised or you'll have to use a strong enough pond pump to move the water from the garbage cans to the re-set up tanks). Then, after things are settled back down, after a few days, start doing 10% PWC's every other day or so, until they have acclimated to the new water. There's a 0.8 difference in pH so a 10% change will change the pH by almost 0.1 pH with the first 10% change which should be a non-stressful change but you will also be changing the KH and GH so I wouldn't do more than 10% PWC's each time, if you can manage that schedule. After a few 10% PWC's, you could bump it up to 25% as the tanks should be very close to the new tap to where a 25% PWC wouldn't be changing it as much. Your new higher KH level will keep your pH more stabile in between PWC's in the future. Don't you currently have a pond(s)? I'm guessing you won't be moving them... or were you going to put in a new pond too? The plastic kiddie pools work well as temporary homes or them swimming pools with the air filled ring around the top work too... for bigger fish like Koi. Acclimating the pond fish is a little more work due to the water volume but pond fish are also more hardy than tank fish since they've been living in the "wild" but the pH will still be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Moving and water change Hi All, I am considering moving to town and I obtained a water sample from the place I am moving into.  My current tap water parameters after 36 hours are as follows: pH   7.4 KH 5 GH 5 Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 The parameters of the new tap water after 36 hours and treating with Topfin Tap Water Dechlorinator (removes Chlorine/Chlormaine/Heavy Metals) are: pH 8.2 KH 8 GH 1 (turned green after 1 st drop) Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 My fish are a variety of Gouramis (3 Spot, Blue, Pearl, Banded, Honey, Golden) as well as some Ottos, Corys and Bristlenose plecs (not in the same tank).  What problems do you foresee me having? The move is about 30 miles and I'll be asking some moving questions later.    Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37483	From: Gail	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

I don't have any answers for your water question, but I know that if it was me moving my 55 Gallon (I have some of the same Gouramis, Otos plecos & such) I have a huge 10 gallon bucket that I use if I ever have to tear down my tank. (you can find these buckets for cheap near the paint isle at Wal*Mart)Just put your fish in there (often I will put in a bubbling stone for extra oxygen) And I would empty my tank of most of the water and move it seperate from my fish. That is the easiest scenario I can think of ~ for your future use. :) Good luck! BTW How big is your tank that you have to move? -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37484	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Thanks Lenny and Gail. I'll certainly use your suggestions. Lenny we'll all most be neighbors. I'm looking at a place in Madisonville, just across the causeway from you. I'll be moving 3 tanks, the largest of being 90 gal. No pond fish to move. Btw all water test was with API liquid test. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:09 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Depending on how many tanks/gallons you have, you could start doing 10% PWC's with the "town's" water at about 10% each time, every couple of days, to start acclimating the fish to their new water before you make the move. If you can't do that, then you want to bring enough of your own water with you to the new place so when you re-set the tanks, they have their same water (enough empty 30G+ garbage cans in the back of a truck and fill them up and then siphon that water into the tanks, once set up at the new place, so you want the garbage cans up high.. hopefully the house isn't raised or you'll have to use a strong enough pond pump to move the water from the garbage cans to the re-set up tanks). Then, after things are settled back down, after a few days, start doing 10% PWC's every other day or so, until they have acclimated to the new water. There's a 0.8 difference in pH so a 10% change will change the pH by almost 0.1 pH with the first 10% change which should be a non-stressful change but you will also be changing the KH and GH so I wouldn't do more than 10% PWC's each time, if you can manage that schedule. After a few 10% PWC's, you could bump it up to 25% as the tanks should be very close to the new tap to where a 25% PWC wouldn't be changing it as much. Your new higher KH level will keep your pH more stabile in between PWC's in the future. Don't you currently have a pond(s)? I'm guessing you won't be moving them... or were you going to put in a new pond too? The plastic kiddie pools work well as temporary homes or them swimming pools with the air filled ring around the top work too... for bigger fish like Koi. Acclimating the pond fish is a little more work due to the water volume but pond fish are also more hardy than tank fish since they've been living in the "wild" but the pH will still be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Moving and water change Hi All, I am considering moving to town and I obtained a water sample from the place I am moving into. My current tap water parameters after 36 hours are as follows: pH 7.4 KH 5 GH 5 Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 The parameters of the new tap water after 36 hours and treating with Topfin Tap Water Dechlorinator (removes Chlorine/Chlormaine/Heavy Metals) are: pH 8.2 KH 8 GH 1 (turned green after 1 st drop) Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0 My fish are a variety of Gouramis (3 Spot, Blue, Pearl, Banded, Honey, Golden) as well as some Ottos, Corys and Bristlenose plecs (not in the same tank). What problems do you foresee me having? The move is about 30 miles and I'll be asking some moving questions later. Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA th; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> -> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37485	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc

Two things I note about your 24 hour tests. First is your ammonia. If chloramines are being added, as I suspect they are, you should see no more than a 0.5 reading. Check to make sure your reagents have not expired. If there are no dates on the reagents, dump the kit and get one with expiration dates. Reagents have shelf lives of various lengths depending on the reagent and the form it is in. The other thing I noticed is the lowering of the pH over a short period of time. This is an indication of the addition of short lived buffers being added to the water supply to protect the pipes If you look at the water quality report from the water supplier, it should tell you what you may expect for pH at various times of the year and from various supplies of water that may be used. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Old Tank Syndrome - 24 hour tap reading etc > > Here are my 24 hour tap readings: > Ammonia between .5 & 3.0 (closer to 3.0) > Nitrate 20 > Nitrite between 0 & .5 > Hardness 150 > KH between 40 & 80 > pH 7.8 > > last night's reading on the tank: > Ammonia between 0 & .25 > Nitrate 200+ > Nitrite between .5 & 1 > hardness 300+ > KH between 0 & 40 > pH 6.8 > > The sick swordtail is looking a little better - dorsal fin not as clamped and has stopped the > shimmy he was doing a couple days ago. > > Pleco looks OK. Still a little light. > > Everybody is eating this morning. > > I did find some Prime at Petco but I want to wait till the fish settle down a little more and > look normal before I start changing water again. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37486	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: do molly babies taste bad?

ok I am bored, sitting here looking at my tank.. watching all the molly fry swimming about... I have one female silver lyretail molly .. she has had 2 broods. I have three female swordtails... I have had 5 broods of fry.... but I have only 2 lonely little swordtail babies swimming about... and about 15 mollies? Would that make swordtail babies... orange in color a much tastier morsel then the silver mollies? yeah a pretty random thought....my gravel is black with the neon green,blue red and orange, pink and purple gravel scattered about... no white... so If protective coloration were the selection item, one would think the white fish were the ones to be eaten... any thoughts? swordtails more suicidal than mollies? wonder what kind of responses this will get.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37487	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?

Not suicidal.. it would be homicidal... or rather it would be ichthycidal? <G> Have you watched to see which adults are eating which fry? It could be that one species is eating the other species fry as a way of survival of the species... basic Darwinism. Or maybe swordtails are born dumber and don't realize they should go hide somewhere or they might become a fish-ka-bob. Last but not least... just say NO to drugs. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dewdude35 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] do molly babies taste bad? ok I am bored, sitting here looking at my tank.. watching all the molly fry swimming about... I have one female silver lyretail molly .. she has had 2 broods. I have three female swordtails... I have had 5 broods of fry.... but I have only 2 lonely little swordtail babies swimming about... and about 15 mollies? Would that make swordtail babies... orange in color a much tastier morsel then the silver mollies? yeah a pretty random thought....my gravel is black with the neon green,blue red and orange, pink and purple gravel scattered about... no white... so If protective coloration were the selection item, one would think the white fish were the ones to be eaten... any thoughts? swordtails more suicidal than mollies? wonder what kind of responses this will get.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37488	From: Lisa	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Kuhli loach and a male betta...

On observation...the kuhli is skinny enough and flexible enough to fit through the holes in the divider. So all is good. Sometimes i see it in with the betta, then others in in the community side But thanks for the reply Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37489	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37490	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

I'll just go out and get some bulbs from home depot geared towards plants. The frogs don't need the reptisun (they don't even need light!) but once you pay that much money for something, you try to get more than the recommended 6 months out of it by finding other uses:-) erika wilmington,de,usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > i think you may be right, you said that you were using repti-sun > lamps, right? So it may be giving off the wrong wave lengths. However > if you get some anubias, or some species of the smaller swordplants, > or some aponogeton bulbs, the ones that you get from wal-mart, or at > your lfs. They should all do fine with a moderate amout of light. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "erikaandnewton" <emcisme@> > wrote: > > > > In the tank with the grogs are some glass shrimp, a large school of > > guppies and a betta. I'm thinking maybe its just not the right type > > of light for the plants? > > > > erika wilmington,de,usa > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then > take > > them > > > to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a > charm. > > > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make > miniature > > > versions that would be perfect for your tank. > > > > > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't > > matter > > > what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not > > from > > > the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes > > it's CO2 > > > from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your > frogs > > > letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough > co2 > > > being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying. > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37491	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Fw: omg its a shark (A little Humor)

Thought you might like a little laugh for the day.  I hope you like it.  If not, Let me know and I won't send funny things again.  Thank you for letting me be a member.  My fishes are doing GREAT since you guys (especially Lenny).  I have done a partial water change, and bought new gravel and fake plants.  Now, they are very happy with their new home.  I'll post a picture of my tank tonight when I get home!!!  Have a great day!! Dave   #yiv965166140 v\:* { } #yiv965166140 v\:* { }         [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37492	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Hello.  When I moved 4 months ago, I was very worried about moving my Angelfish to our new home.  What I did was to put some of the water in the tupperware container(1 gallon) from the aquarium.  Then cover it on the Day of the move, then put the plastic bag over it during the move.  After the move, I quickly got the new water in the aquarium, let it sit for a few hours, and then put the fishes in carefully so they won't be stressed out.  They were not stressed out at all.  I don't know if this is a good way, but when I moved for the past 3 times, I used the same procedure, and they were fine.  Lenny might have a better idea.  Good luck!! Dave --- On Wed, 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 10:12 AM Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37493	From: caroline	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Fwd: [thecardiacclub] Fw: wonderful pictures.

> > > >something for everyone.........amazing.............horses, >goldfish..dolphins..amazing................................... >\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37494	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

I have it floating, even if I didn't plan it that way, thats the way it would be lol! So the ones from the pond store would tend to be more heat tolerant than the fish store ones? I'll keep that in mind when pond season comes around. Thanks! erika wilmington,de,usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Of course, if you let the elodea/anacharis float, it will absorb CO2 from > the air and will also get more lighting. I have the most growth from my > anacharis by letting it float. Once it's long enough, you can "plant" the > stalks and leave it long enough for the top to float on the surface a little > so at least that section can absorb CO2 from the air and it will get > distributed to the rest of the plant. There are a couple of species of > elodea/anacharis that is commonly sold in the hobby and at least one of them > is more of a cold water plant so if you have that one and it's in water that > is too warm, that would adversely affect it. Buy it from a pond/aquatic > gardening center and you are more likely to get the right species. > > As far as CO2 in the water, if the gravel in your frog tank is "dirty", the > decaying detritus will also put out carbon in the form of carbonic acid so > carbon for the plants can come from more than just CO2... but we try to NOT > have dirty tanks so it's best to NOT rely on decaying detritus as a form of > carbon for your plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take them to > another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature versions > that would be perfect for your tank. > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't matter what > kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not from the water > like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes it's CO2 from the > water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs letting their > breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 being distributed and > that could explain why your elodea is dying. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

I personally do not like the color of the fluorescent tubes, specifically geared to plants (usually a pinkish color). I simply use the Daylight or Cool White bulbs and easy to grow plants do fine with that color spectrum. Besides, the Daylight or Cool White are usually cheaper too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex I'll just go out and get some bulbs from home depot geared towards plants. The frogs don't need the reptisun (they don't even need light!) but once you pay that much money for something, you try to get more than the recommended 6 months out of it by finding other uses:-) erika wilmington,de,usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > i think you may be right, you said that you were using repti-sun > lamps, right? So it may be giving off the wrong wave lengths. However > if you get some anubias, or some species of the smaller swordplants, > or some aponogeton bulbs, the ones that you get from wal-mart, or at > your lfs. They should all do fine with a moderate amout of light. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "erikaandnewton" <emcisme@> > wrote: > > > > In the tank with the grogs are some glass shrimp, a large school of > > guppies and a betta. I'm thinking maybe its just not the right type > > of light for the plants? > > > > erika wilmington,de,usa > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then > take > > them > > > to another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a > charm. > > > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make > miniature > > > versions that would be perfect for your tank. > > > > > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't > > matter > > > what kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not > > from > > > the water like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes > > it's CO2 > > > from the water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your > frogs > > > letting their breathe out in the air there is simply not enough > co2 > > > being distributed and that could explain why your elodea is dying.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: omg its a shark (A little Humor)

The forwarded message didn't come through for me. If it was a picture, the group doesn't allow pics to be sent through the group. You would have to upload it to your own online photo album or create a folder in the groups photo section and then post the link. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave H. Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:30 AM To: Aquaticlife Subject: [AquaticLife] Fw: omg its a shark (A little Humor) Thought you might like a little laugh for the day.  I hope you like it.  If not, Let me know and I won't send funny things again.  Thank you for letting me be a member.  My fishes are doing GREAT since you guys (especially Lenny).  I have done a partial water change, and bought new gravel and fake plants.  Now, they are very happy with their new home.  I'll post a picture of my tank tonight when I get home!!!  Have a great day!! Dave   #yiv965166140 v\:* { } #yiv965166140 v\:* { }         [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: a 55 gallon hex

I'm not positive that the elodea/anacharis from a pond store would be more hardy... they may both get their plants from the same source... but if you've been getting it from your LFS or box store and it hasn't been doing well, then try getting it from a pond or aquatic garden store. Further, it should be much cheaper. I get anacharis for 50 cents a bunch and so far, there only seems to be one species that is sold down here in N'Awlins but I understand there is at least one species that is more tolerant of cooler waters and at least one that is more tolerant of warmer waters... and both are commonly sold in the aquarium industry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex I have it floating, even if I didn't plan it that way, thats the way it would be lol! So the ones from the pond store would tend to be more heat tolerant than the fish store ones? I'll keep that in mind when pond season comes around. Thanks! erika wilmington,de,usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Of course, if you let the elodea/anacharis float, it will absorb CO2 from > the air and will also get more lighting. I have the most growth from my > anacharis by letting it float. Once it's long enough, you can "plant" the > stalks and leave it long enough for the top to float on the surface a little > so at least that section can absorb CO2 from the air and it will get > distributed to the rest of the plant. There are a couple of species of > elodea/anacharis that is commonly sold in the hobby and at least one of them > is more of a cold water plant so if you have that one and it's in water that > is too warm, that would adversely affect it. Buy it from a pond/aquatic > gardening center and you are more likely to get the right species. > > As far as CO2 in the water, if the gravel in your frog tank is "dirty", the > decaying detritus will also put out carbon in the form of carbonic acid so > carbon for the plants can come from more than just CO2... but we try to NOT > have dirty tanks so it's best to NOT rely on decaying detritus as a form of > carbon for your plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of va22_vyshys > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a 55 gallon hex > > Well, if the stor that you buy them from won't take them then take them to > another store. Trust me I've done it before, works like a charm. > Secondly, you can buy aqualights from coralife, they make miniature versions > that would be perfect for your tank. > > Are there any other fish in your frog tank? Beacause it doesn't matter what > kind of frogs you have, all frogs breathe regular air, not from the water > like fish. So with that being said, your elodea takes it's CO2 from the > water, and it takes it in high amounts, so with your frogs letting their > breathe out in the air there is simply not enough co2 being distributed and > that could explain why your elodea is dying.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37498	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... :o) On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will > definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37499	From: dewdude35	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?

actually the mollies don't hide at all, the swordtails dart in and out of the grasses and plants... dart away when larger fish come near.. I figure it must be like a chase instinct in a dog.. lol but actually I was bored and wondered what sense of humor would result from such a silly question... Guess that is why big bass strike at lures that look nothing like the other fish they eat...Darwinian theory and animal behavior... gotta love it! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Not suicidal.. it would be homicidal... or rather it would be ichthycidal? > <G> > > Have you watched to see which adults are eating which fry? It could be that > one species is eating the other species fry as a way of survival of the > species... basic Darwinism. > > Or maybe swordtails are born dumber and don't realize they should go hide > somewhere or they might become a fish-ka-bob. > > Last but not least... just say NO to drugs. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of dewdude35 > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] do molly babies taste bad? > > ok I am bored, sitting here looking at my tank.. watching all the molly fry > swimming about... I have one female silver lyretail molly .. > she has had 2 broods. I have three female swordtails... I have had 5 broods > of fry.... but I have only 2 lonely little swordtail babies swimming > about... and about 15 mollies? Would that make swordtail babies... orange > in color a much tastier morsel then the silver > mollies? yeah a pretty random thought....my gravel is black with > the neon green,blue red and orange, pink and purple gravel scattered > about... no white... so If protective coloration were the selection item, > one would think the white fish were the ones to be eaten... any > thoughts? swordtails more suicidal than mollies? wonder what > kind of responses this will get. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37500	From: cherrystix81	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

since u guys r on the subject.....i continually have xtremely high ph...and am having loss of fish....how do i lower the ph level....i tested my tap water and it is already at 8.2 or higher. thanx for the help>>>>>kate --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will > definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37501	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living in very stabile temperature and water parameters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... :o) On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37502	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: about snails

?I just got a snail not sure of what type it is (it is black in color maybe someone here can tell me the species of snail.) I have some questions about them. How often to feed them? How many recommended for 10 gal tank? Will the snail breed on its own and produce babies? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37503	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

You should first do a tap water baseline. Fill a gallon bucket with your tap. Test it for all your tests (pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, hardness, etc.) and give us the numbers. Wait 24 hours and test the same bucket again... post numbers. Wait another 24 hours and do same. If your tap stays at 8.2 pH, then you do NOT want to try and lower it... but rather keep fish that like your kind of water. There are many to choose from... and there are many fishkeepers that would kill for your kind of water. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cherrystix81 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change since u guys r on the subject.....i continually have xtremely high ph...and am having loss of fish....how do i lower the ph level....i tested my tap water and it is already at 8.2 or higher. thanx for the help>>>>>kate --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will > definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

Did you buy this snail as a pet or get it as a hitchhiker on a plant? If you bought it, it's likely a Black Mystery Snail. How big is it? This site, http://applesnail.net has a very good care sheet http://applesnail.net/content/care.php on Apple Snails which is applicable to their smaller cousins, the Mystery Snails. They also have pages about breeding and reproduction as well but if it's a Mystery Snail, it's not the prolific breeder like some nuisance snails and usually require two (a male and female) to reproduce although there are instances where a female could already be storing sperm from a previous "hook-up". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails ?I just got a snail not sure of what type it is (it is black in color maybe someone here can tell me the species of snail.) I have some questions about them. How often to feed them? How many recommended for 10 gal tank? Will the snail breed on its own and produce babies?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37505	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the change slowly.  I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move.  I will do as you suggested..  Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours.   Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living in very stabile temperature and water parameters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... :o) On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37506	From: gail	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)?   thanks <3 Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Yeah, I don't see a problem if you acclimate them slowly... especially over a couple of weeks. Fish seem to acclimate to a rising pH better than a falling one which is also in your favor. As I'm sure you know.. your well water likely has a high CO2 content right out the ground/tap so as that CO2 outgases, the pH rises to it's true level. I'm surprised the new tap doesn't drop at all but maybe the source up there on the north shore is from one of them limestone aquifers that are prevalent over there, so it's really buffered up quite a bit naturally. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the change slowly.  I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move.  I will do as you suggested..  Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours.  Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living in very stabile temperature and water parameters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... :o) On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will > definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37508	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. Are you saying that the odds are against me? 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 years or less, because of this PH changing event? 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made it live in harder water? I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... Harl On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water > before I actually move them. > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > :o) > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I've had Mystery Snails in with goldfish and a pleco. I lost the two Mystery Snails about six weeks after Hurricane Katrina.. I think to them starving... but not positive. I wasn't able to feed the fish very much due to not having useable water during that time period. I've also had nearly every other kind of snail (considered nuisance snails by many... ramshorn, malaysian trumpet snails, etc.) but have never had them become a nuisance in my tanks. About all I get in my goldfish tank is limpets. I guess the goldfish eat any snails that get any bigger. I do have a couple of species of snails in my cherry shrimp tank and I consider them part of the overall ecology of the tank and they help with the cleanup of any dead shrimp. I'm not able to siphon the gravel very well in that tank due to the numbers of baby shrimp always running around so the snails help to keep things clean and then the plants use the snail poop as fertilizer. Most of the common snails will pretty much eat anything (dead plants, live plants, dead fish/critters, uneaten food, etc.) I'm sure that MTS (Malaysian Trumpet Snails) are used in many cichlid tanks with sand as a substrate. I'm not sure how well Mystery Snails and Apple Snails do in an aggressive cichlid tank. You might want to check the Applesnail.net forums for more details if nobody out here provides what you are looking for. Applesnail.net also has a long thread and article on feeding Apple Snails and Mystery Snails. http://www.applesnail.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3988 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)?   thanks <3 Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37510	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Answer 1 - Depends... on how much of a difference, other water parameters, etc. Further, depending on how long the fish have been in a the bag... more than two hours.. and the ammonia level and CO2 will increase and the pH will decrease, making the ammonia less toxic. If you start adding fresh water to that bag too fast, it will raise the pH without lowering the ammonia, making the ammonia much more toxic. Often, new fish introduced to a tank will suffer from pH, temperature or osmotic shock issues... some make it, many don't. When you say, "acclimate the fish over a couple of hours", what do you mean? Are you using a drip line acclimation? Floating the bag? or ??? As you said.. not enough details. Answer 2 - What do you mean by "a number or two"? Do you mean 0.1 or 0.2 difference or 1.0 to 2.0 difference? If 0.1 or 0.2, then that's not a major difference and a couple of hours acclimation is likely sufficient and may not even be needed at all. I'm not sure where you get the 2 or 3 years as a lifespan for fish. Only a relatively few fish species live such short lives. The majority of fish live much, much longer.. with 10+ and even 20+ years not being uncommon. Here's my ever-growing article on Expected Lifespans of common aquarium fish. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm l Answer 3 - Depends on the fish. Some will acclimate to varying water parameters better than others.... but in general, it's best to keep fish that do best in your source water to give them the best chance at a healthy happy life. Just like you wouldn't keep a horse in a small New York City apartment or let a Chihuahua run loose in a jungle and expect either to do very well. Once again, not sure where the three year lifespan comes from. I don't think probabilities can be assigned to any of your scenarios as one fish might fully acclimate and live a long life where others may die off a sickly and early death. Once again, this is dealing with water parameter extremes and where a fish is being kept in a situation on the opposite end of the spectrum from that which they would normally live. Why put them through it? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. Are you saying that the odds are against me? 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 years or less, because of this PH changing event? 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made it live in harder water? I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... Harl On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a > pH of > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to > the change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do > this before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you > suggested.. Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and > do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish > acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of > around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) > was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > more than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time > is even better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory > shock issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > conditions are less affected than our indoor fish who are have become > acclimated to living in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never > heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is > the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not > quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a > change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > :o) > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37511	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@... > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together�at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37512	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Yes I was also surprised that the pH didn't drop some over time. I was even more surprised at the low GH. I even phoned her back to make sure she didn't have a water softener that she had not told be about. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:01 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Yeah, I don't see a problem if you acclimate them slowly... especially over a couple of weeks. Fish seem to acclimate to a rising pH better than a falling one which is also in your favor. As I'm sure you know.. your well water likely has a high CO2 content right out the ground/tap so as that CO2 outgases, the pH rises to it's true level. I'm surprised the new tap doesn't drop at all but maybe the source up there on the north shore is from one of them limestone aquifers that are prevalent over there, so it's really buffered up quite a bit naturally. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living in very stabile temperature and water parameters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... :o) On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot of > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37513	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers to a stop. I think mine are smarter then Lenny’s though, LOL. They never venture near the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the same time the fish get it. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@... > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37514	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

For #1 and #2 how would this ever happen? Since we all quarantine our fish for 3 weeks before we put them in our show tanks, we first match the pH of the quarantine tank to the pH of the water they are accustomed to, and then over the 3 week quarantine period we modify the pH 0.1 a day or less until we reach the pH of our show tank. For #3 I’d like to know the answer as well. I’ve read you might not be able to get them to spawn, but I don’t know if that information is outdated like the one inch rule, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. Are you saying that the odds are against me? 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 years or less, because of this PH changing event? 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made it live in harder water? I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... Harl On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@yahoo. <mailto:mchaneyjm%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water > before I actually move them. > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > :o) > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37515	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

The snails also have lots of algae to eat in my tank maybe Lenny’s goldfish eat all the algae first, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers to a stop. I think mine are smarter then Lenny’s though, LOL. They never venture near the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the same time the fish get it. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@hotmail. <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> com > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > __________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37516	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Gold Shark

Just uploaded to the photos section is this rare gold shark. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/2127739093/pic/50 8993822/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/c2tlln \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37517	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

pH is not the only determining factor in the lifespan of a fish. If the change is sudden enough, the fish would go into shock and may die as a result, it the change is gradual, the fish can usually acclimate to the change and should do fine. There are fish that will be better off at a low pH and some of those I would not even attempt to acclimate to such a high pH. If your pH is as high as you say it is, you would be better off choosing fish that will do well in such an environment, like many of the livebearers, or fish from Lake Tanganyika. You have only given us the pH of your water, and none of the other parameters. You do not describe or name the fish that have died, nor given us an idea of how long you have had them. My advice is to post this information, starting a new thread, with an appropriate subject, and we can discuss your tank. Please give us the pH, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate readings as well as the temperature and the size of the tank, the number of fish kept in the tank, and what those fish are. Also describe the fish that have died, what they were, and how they looked and behaved prior to death. With that information we can start to get to the bottom of those deaths, and help you have a happier, healthier tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > cherrystix81 > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > since u guys r on the subject.....i continually have xtremely high > ph...and am having loss of fish....how do i lower the ph level....i > tested my tap water and it is already at 8.2 or higher. thanx for the > help>>>>>kate > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> > wrote: > > > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > of > > dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most fish > > store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you will > > definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37518	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs

hi i have noticed there are several posters from my area, Austin, Tx. and i wondered if there is some sort of 'fish club' here where there are speakers or fish or plants for sale. ?? thanks, Samantha

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37519	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Harl, 1. New fish should always be quarantined first. Probably the best way to acclimate them is with the drip method. You can either use the bag they came in, or transfer them to another container. Then you drip in tank water over the period of several hours to double or triple the volume of the bag water. You may need to change out some of the water to allow enough of the tank water to be used. If the change in pH is not great, this should bring the pH close to what you need. Remove the fish from the container and add them to the tank. The pH in the quarantine tank will likely be fairly close to that of the display or main tank you will be placing the fish in after the quarantine period has ended, so no special treatment would be required. To specifically answer your first question, the answer is that it depends. It depends on what the difference in pH is. Using the above method for acclimation should do the trick for you unless you have a great difference in the pH between the fish's bag water and your tank water. If that is the case, you may need to utilized the drip method for a longer period. For those who wonder how to make a drip, you merely need to take a section of airline, anchor it in the tank being used, and crimp it enough to produce a slow drip rather than a steady stream. Crimping can be accomplished by knotting the tube, Using a clothes pin, maybe even using a valve (I've not done the last, but it is an idea that came to me). 2. See the above. If you are talking decimal numbers, there is no real need to worry. It is not likely that a minor change in pH would shorten a fish's life, but, if they are far enough away from their natural pH, and there are other stress factors present, it can affect their life span. 3. Again, the definitive answer is that it depends, and it may not revolve around the specific issue of hardness, but other stress factors that may be present at the same time. Most fish are pretty resilient creatures when given a chance. But, they have to have that chance, and that would mean minimizing, as much as possible, additional stressors on the fish in question. Do fish die from pH shock? Yes they do, but they are probably weakened already by other factors for them to swim off to the tank in the sky. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower > than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and > release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. > Are you saying that the odds are against me? > > 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a > number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. > The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 > years or less, because of this PH changing event? > > 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it > anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I > again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made > it live in harder water? > > I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the > devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... > > > Harl > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of > > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the > > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this > > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring > > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes > > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water > > before I actually move them. > > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around > > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of > > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > > Jimmy McHaney > > Husser, LA > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > > > :o) > > > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37520	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

Oh My! That is one spectacular specktacle of a marine animal, for sure. Wonder if the Discovery station has caught wind of this one yet. I'd like to see them do a special on it. Sure would be better than the same dejavu critters they do time after time... ;-) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

My goldfish are spoiled... they eat anything else I put in the tank though... including nibbling on the Anacharis and I do see them pecking at any thick algae. That's why I had to get the little Clown Pleco to handle the rest of the algae. Maybe if I starved them for a few days, they'd start gobbling up some of the algae too.... but probably not until after they've decimated the Anacharis and other plants so I dare not starve them. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Donna, Have you read many threads and African Cichlids and Mystery Snails? I'm curious if they might be too big for the fish and maybe they'd leave them alone.. or maybe they'd constantly be pecking at their tentacles. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? The snails also have lots of algae to eat in my tank.maybe Lenny's goldfish eat all the algae first, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers to a stop. I think mine are smarter then Lenny's though, LOL. They never venture near the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the same time the fish get it. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@hotmail. <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> com > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> > yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

Maybe mine are smarter... since I feed mostly sinking foods. ;-) I even soak the flakes first so they'll sink. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers to a stop. I think mine are smarter then Lenny’s though, LOL. They never venture near the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the same time the fish get it. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@... > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37523	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

And I know from personal experience with this species... that they are voracious eaters of anything they can fit in their mouth. \\Steve's// TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/c2tlln Their eating habits were once described as: 1. I will eat all the food as fast as possible, regardless of the effects of gulping large air bubbles. 2. I will stare at you ALL day begging for food. And if you put more in, I will eat it, see #1. 3. If it is small enough to fit in my mouth, I will attempt to eat it. 4. If it is too big for my mouth, I will probably attempt to eat it anyway. 5. If it is exactly the size of my throat, I will continue to keep trying to eat it, no matter how many times it gets stuck. 6. If it is green, I will attempt to eat it. 7. If it has a shell, I will eat the shell too. If I can't, I will find a way to get the food out of the shell. 8. If it has tasty appendages, I will bite them off. 9. If I don't know what it is, I'll try to eat it, just on the off chance. 9a: Even if I just pooped it, it still might be food. I will try it. 9b: Even if I just tried it and spit it out, it still might be food. I will try it again. 10. If I'm not supposed to eat it, I will eat it. Especially if you spent lots of money on it. Compliments of: http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8905 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gold Shark Just uploaded to the photos section is this rare gold shark. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/2127739093/pic/508993 822/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/c2tlln \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37524	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I have no desire for snails. If I were to purposely purchase some, it would be zebra nerite snails that do not reproduce in freshwater (they need brackish to spawn). Cool striped shells. At the rate my cichlids are eating them, I could sell a tank substrate of tiny snail shells, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? My goldfish are spoiled... they eat anything else I put in the tank though... including nibbling on the Anacharis and I do see them pecking at any thick algae. That's why I had to get the little Clown Pleco to handle the rest of the algae. Maybe if I starved them for a few days, they'd start gobbling up some of the algae too.... but probably not until after they've decimated the Anacharis and other plants so I dare not starve them. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Donna, Have you read many threads and African Cichlids and Mystery Snails? I'm curious if they might be too big for the fish and maybe they'd leave them alone.. or maybe they'd constantly be pecking at their tentacles. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? The snails also have lots of algae to eat in my tank.maybe Lenny's goldfish eat all the algae first, LOL! _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers to a stop. I think mine are smarter then Lenny's though, LOL. They never venture near the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the same time the fish get it. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know if they would be ok with cichlids or not. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@hotmail. <mailto:cannsyl%40hotmail.com> com > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > From: clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> > yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do they eat? > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > thanks > <3 Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37525	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

I bought the snail. Almost got a pleco but then I looked at the care and they require a bigger tank than what I have so passed on that.  I would say it is about an inch long at most -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 5:49 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about snails Did you buy this snail as a pet or get it as a hitchhiker on a plant? If you bought it, it's likely a Black Mystery Snail. How big is it? This site, http://applesnail.net has a very good care sheet http://applesnail.net/content/care.php on Apple Snails which is applicable to their smaller cousins, the Mystery Snails. They also have pages about breeding and reproduction as well but if it's a Mystery Snail, it's not the prolific breeder like some nuisance snails and usually require two (a male and female) to reproduce although there are instances where a female could already be storing sperm from a previous "hook-up". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:29 PM =0 ATo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails ?I just got a snail not sure of what type it is (it is black in color maybe someone here can tell me the species of snail.) I have some questions about them. How often to feed them? How many recommended for 10 gal tank? Will the snail breed on its own and produce babies? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37526	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

More than likely, it's a Black Mystery Snail. They are a smaller cousin of the Apple Snail so that Apple Snail care sheet I posted earlier will give you plenty of info on them. The most common colors for Mystery Snails are black or gold (Go Saints! lol) but there are also other color variants such as purple and I think I've seen green ones advertised also. Most of the time, if you have a single Mystery Snail, you will not get any reproduction from them. If you happen to get a female that has recently mated, then she would lay an egg clutch right above the water line and that clutch can be removed with a spoon prior to any babies hatching.. presuming you don't want to raise a bunch of Mystery Snails. Yes, the most common plecos found for sale in pet stores and LFS are "Common Plecos" (which are actually from a couple of species) and they grow to 18"+ and need at least 75G per fish.. but there are smaller dwarf species such as the Clown Pleco (two different species) and the Bristle Nosed Pleco that are good algae eaters and stay under 6" with one of the Clown Plecos staying under 4". There are other algae eating suckermouth catfish like Otocinclus Affinis that only grow to around an inch but they should be kept in groups so a 3" Clown Pleco may be less of a bioload than six Oto's and many people have trouble keeping Oto's alive where most plecos are very tough fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about snails I bought the snail. Almost got a pleco but then I looked at the care and they require a bigger tank than what I have so passed on that.  I would say it is about an inch long at most -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 5:49 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about snails Did you buy this snail as a pet or get it as a hitchhiker on a plant? If you bought it, it's likely a Black Mystery Snail. How big is it? This site, http://applesnail.net has a very good care sheet http://applesnail.net/content/care.php on Apple Snails which is applicable to their smaller cousins, the Mystery Snails. They also have pages about breeding and reproduction as well but if it's a Mystery Snail, it's not the prolific breeder like some nuisance snails and usually require two (a male and female) to reproduce although there are instances where a female could already be storing sperm from a previous "hook-up". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:29 PM =0 ATo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails ?I just got a snail not sure of what type it is (it is black in color maybe someone here can tell me the species of snail.) I have some questions about them. How often to feed them? How many recommended for 10 gal tank? Will the snail breed on its own and produce babies?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37527	From: William	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

There are snails that will eat other snails. I have seen them on Aquabid and they are called killer snails. They will only reproduce if they get enough snails to eat and then only a few eggs a month. If there is no snails to eat they will eat regular snail foods such as algae etc. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Maybe mine are smarter... since I feed mostly sinking foods. ;-) I even > soak the flakes first so they'll sink. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > I have ramshorn and pond. I hate them, the cichlids do eat them but not > fast enough. They eat my plants and clog my python and grind my impellers > to a stop. > > I think mine are smarter then Lenny's though, LOL. They never venture near > the substrate. They hang around the water line and grab the fishfood at the > same time the fish get it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christy Sylvest > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:17 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > > I have some ramshorns in my tank. they are really hardy and reproduce > without pairs. I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the > bottom and they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated. I don't know > if they would be ok with cichlids or not. > > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." > -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > From: clandestine662002@... > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the > group have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? > And what do they eat? > > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > > > > thanks > > <3 Gail > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37528	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

Tank substrate of tiny shells.... sounds like the makings of a fun ebay auction. Try it! LOL Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37529	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs

Capital Aquarium Society is in or around Austin. I was unable to get to their web site this evening, http://www.petsforum.com/cas \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > rosette55@... > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] OFF TOPIC-fish clubs > > hi i have noticed there are several posters from my area, Austin, Tx. > and i wondered if there is some sort of 'fish club' here where there are > speakers or fish or plants for sale. ?? thanks, Samantha > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37530	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs

Here's there listing from another site... but yeah.. their website doesn't seem to be up and running right now. Capitol Aquarium Society of Texas, 11802 Three Oaks Trail, Austin, TX, 78759, phone 512-506-8780 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OFF TOPIC-fish clubs Capital Aquarium Society is in or around Austin. I was unable to get to their web site this evening, http://www.petsforum.com/cas \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > rosette55@... > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] OFF TOPIC-fish clubs > > hi i have noticed there are several posters from my area, Austin, Tx. > and i wondered if there is some sort of 'fish club' here where there are > speakers or fish or plants for sale. ?? thanks, Samantha

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37531	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC-fish clubs

Oops.. I should have referenced the website where I got the info... Here's a pretty accurate listing of TX aquarium clubs... http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1&r=50 And for the rest of the USA http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1 At the bottom of each State's page, there's a link to LFS in the area. I checked my area and it seems pretty accurate. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OFF TOPIC-fish clubs Capital Aquarium Society is in or around Austin. I was unable to get to their web site this evening, http://www.petsforum.com/cas \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > rosette55@... > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] OFF TOPIC-fish clubs > > hi i have noticed there are several posters from my area, Austin, Tx. > and i wondered if there is some sort of 'fish club' here where there are > speakers or fish or plants for sale. ?? thanks, Samantha > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37532	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

I just picked 3 years as a example to represent a lifespan... I was referring to the fellows move. If he had fishless cycled the tank and had no fish before, no Q tank needed, and he added the fish. Say he floats the bags in the tank for 15 or 20 min. Adds a bit of tank water. Floats another 15 min. and adds more tank water. 15 min later adds more tank water. 15 min later he adds a bit more water. Then 15 min later he nets the fish and adds to the tank. (I use the example as it is what I did just the other day when I stocked my tank.) I am sure all the info given to the original poster are good and should be followed, but I was wondering if the above was OK at one time or other, should he not be able to do that as well? Perhaps not optimal, but doable? I mean to say that the move of the fish should go well without truck loads of water, or the ph burn. I'm not sure that I am right, it does not go in the paper every time someone's fish die, but as many fish get moved, sold and traded, seems odds would be in the movers favor... And this is the first I heard of anyone trying to get the Q tank to match the water the fish came in and changing it over the Q period to what you have. Heck you might not know anything about the water it came from. And getting the ph to match is a chemistry problem beyond many that keep fish I would think. At least I know it is beyond me. It is not right, but I would bet that a very high percentage of fish never see a Q tank at all and are just added to the main tank. Not by the good and experienced fish keepers, (all though I bet sometimes some of you've been guilty also), but by the newer and the not so serious fish keepers. And much of the time it works out OK. Sure not worth the gamble, as when you lose it can be real bad, but chances are better than not that you would be OK, getting fish from a good store. At least I would think so as otherwise more people would be having trouble. I also think most that do see a Q tank get acclimated similar to the first paragraph, to the Q tank, and then later swapped over to the main tank with less acclimation needed... On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > Harl, > > 1. New fish should always be quarantined first. Probably the best way to > acclimate them is with the drip method. You can either use the bag they > came in, or transfer them to another container. Then you drip in tank > water over the period of several hours to double or triple the volume of > the bag water. You may need to change out some of the water to allow > enough of the tank water to be used. If the change in pH is not great, > this should bring the pH close to what you need. Remove the fish from > the container and add them to the tank. The pH in the quarantine tank > will likely be fairly close to that of the display or main tank you will > be placing the fish in after the quarantine period has ended, so no > special treatment would be required. > > To specifically answer your first question, the answer is that it > depends. It depends on what the difference in pH is. Using the above > method for acclimation should do the trick for you unless you have a > great difference in the pH between the fish's bag water and your tank > water. If that is the case, you may need to utilized the drip method for > a longer period. > > For those who wonder how to make a drip, you merely need to take a > section of airline, anchor it in the tank being used, and crimp it > enough to produce a slow drip rather than a steady stream. Crimping can > be accomplished by knotting the tube, Using a clothes pin, maybe even > using a valve (I've not done the last, but it is an idea that came to > me). > > 2. See the above. If you are talking decimal numbers, there is no real > need to worry. It is not likely that a minor change in pH would shorten > a fish's life, but, if they are far enough away from their natural pH, > and there are other stress factors present, it can affect their life > span. > > 3. Again, the definitive answer is that it depends, and it may not > revolve around the specific issue of hardness, but other stress factors > that may be present at the same time. Most fish are pretty resilient > creatures when given a chance. But, they have to have that chance, and > that would mean minimizing, as much as possible, additional stressors on > the fish in question. > > Do fish die from pH shock? Yes they do, but they are probably weakened > already by other factors for them to swim off to the tank in the sky. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Harl Myers >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> >> 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower >> than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and >> release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. >> Are you saying that the odds are against me? >> >> 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a >> number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. >> The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 >> years or less, because of this PH changing event? >> >> 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it >> anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I >> again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made >> it live in harder water? >> >> I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the >> devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... >> >> >> Harl >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> > wrote: >> > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from > a pH of >> > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to > the >> > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do > this >> > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. > Bring >> > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water > changes >> > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new > water >> > before I actually move them. >> > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of > around >> > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 > out of >> > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. >> > Jimmy McHaney >> > Husser, LA >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> > >> > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is >> > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too > fast. >> > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and > bases, >> > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would > not >> > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH > shock. >> > >> > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH > but >> > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > more >> > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is > even >> > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock >> > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a > fish. >> > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > conditions are >> > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to > living >> > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] >> > On >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> > >> > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never > heard >> > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the > main >> > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. >> > >> > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > higher PH >> > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > latitude than >> > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of > as it >> > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I > would think >> > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that > somewhere... >> > >> > :o) >> > >> > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot >> >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most >> >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you >> >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to > ph burn. >> >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish > in. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37533	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Since you are using the same source for water in the display tank and the quarantine tank, the water chemistry of both tanks should be similar. If there was a great difference between the two, one would need to determine why this difference exists between the two tank prior to adding any more fish to the display tank. If you have an empty display tank, then yes, you can add fish directly to that tank, and the quarantine period would take place in that tank. If one is moving, and moving their fish as well, there is another whole set of circumstances to be considered, most of which have been covered in this thread, about how to acclimate the fish to the new water. The gist of this is that you also move most, if not all, of the water with the fish, and the fish will slowly become acclimated to the new water through small, regular water changes. Let me also state that in re-reading your original post here, there is no mention of a move made, other than buying a fish mail order, buying one in a LFS, and getting a fish that would prefer other water parameters than your water provides. Every time I have moved with fish, I have always moved a good portion of the water with them. At one time, I knew a person who moved his fishroom nearly half way across the country. He had enough fish and tanks that he rented a truck for the fish move, and he also moved a good percentage of the water with him. There are no guarantees. I've lost fish that can be attributed to the move and a change in the water chemistry. The person with the truck also lost some fish. But losses have been minimal. While the goal is to move everything without mishap, one should expect that a problem may arise and that heirloom may be broken or a fish may die. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:21 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > I just picked 3 years as a example to represent a lifespan... > > I was referring to the fellows move. If he had fishless cycled the > tank and had no fish before, no Q tank needed, and he added the fish. > Say he floats the bags in the tank for 15 or 20 min. Adds a bit of > tank water. Floats another 15 min. and adds more tank water. 15 min > later adds more tank water. 15 min later he adds a bit more water. > Then 15 min later he nets the fish and adds to the tank. (I use the > example as it is what I did just the other day when I stocked my > tank.) > > I am sure all the info given to the original poster are good and > should be followed, but I was wondering if the above was OK at one > time or other, should he not be able to do that as well? Perhaps not > optimal, but doable? I mean to say that the move of the fish should > go well without truck loads of water, or the ph burn. I'm not sure > that I am right, it does not go in the paper every time someone's fish > die, but as many fish get moved, sold and traded, seems odds would be > in the movers favor... > > And this is the first I heard of anyone trying to get the Q tank to > match the water the fish came in and changing it over the Q period to > what you have. Heck you might not know anything about the water it > came from. And getting the ph to match is a chemistry problem beyond > many that keep fish I would think. At least I know it is beyond me. > It is not right, but I would bet that a very high percentage of fish > never see a Q tank at all and are just added to the main tank. Not by > the good and experienced fish keepers, (all though I bet sometimes > some of you've been guilty also), but by the newer and the not so > serious fish keepers. And much of the time it works out OK. Sure not > worth the gamble, as when you lose it can be real bad, but chances are > better than not that you would be OK, getting fish from a good store. > At least I would think so as otherwise more people would be having > trouble. I also think most that do see a Q tank get acclimated > similar to the first paragraph, to the Q tank, and then later swapped > over to the main tank with less acclimation needed... > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > Harl, > > > > 1. New fish should always be quarantined first. Probably the best way to > > acclimate them is with the drip method. You can either use the bag they > > came in, or transfer them to another container. Then you drip in tank > > water over the period of several hours to double or triple the volume of > > the bag water. You may need to change out some of the water to allow > > enough of the tank water to be used. If the change in pH is not great, > > this should bring the pH close to what you need. Remove the fish from > > the container and add them to the tank. The pH in the quarantine tank > > will likely be fairly close to that of the display or main tank you will > > be placing the fish in after the quarantine period has ended, so no > > special treatment would be required. > > > > To specifically answer your first question, the answer is that it > > depends. It depends on what the difference in pH is. Using the above > > method for acclimation should do the trick for you unless you have a > > great difference in the pH between the fish's bag water and your tank > > water. If that is the case, you may need to utilized the drip method for > > a longer period. > > > > For those who wonder how to make a drip, you merely need to take a > > section of airline, anchor it in the tank being used, and crimp it > > enough to produce a slow drip rather than a steady stream. Crimping can > > be accomplished by knotting the tube, Using a clothes pin, maybe even > > using a valve (I've not done the last, but it is an idea that came to > > me). > > > > 2. See the above. If you are talking decimal numbers, there is no real > > need to worry. It is not likely that a minor change in pH would shorten > > a fish's life, but, if they are far enough away from their natural pH, > > and there are other stress factors present, it can affect their life > > span. > > > > 3. Again, the definitive answer is that it depends, and it may not > > revolve around the specific issue of hardness, but other stress factors > > that may be present at the same time. Most fish are pretty resilient > > creatures when given a chance. But, they have to have that chance, and > > that would mean minimizing, as much as possible, additional stressors on > > the fish in question. > > > > Do fish die from pH shock? Yes they do, but they are probably weakened > > already by other factors for them to swim off to the tank in the sky. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > >> Harl Myers > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > >> 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower > >> than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and > >> release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. > >> Are you saying that the odds are against me? > >> > >> 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a > >> number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. > >> The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 > >> years or less, because of this PH changing event? > >> > >> 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it > >> anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I > >> again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made > >> it live in harder water? > >> > >> I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the > >> devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... > >> > >> > >> Harl > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> > > wrote: > >> > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from > > a pH of > >> > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to > > the > >> > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do > > this > >> > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. > > Bring > >> > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water > > changes > >> > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new > > water > >> > before I actually move them. > >> > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of > > around > >> > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 > > out of > >> > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > >> > Jimmy McHaney > >> > Husser, LA > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > > >> > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > >> > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too > > fast. > >> > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and > > bases, > >> > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would > > not > >> > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH > > shock. > >> > > >> > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH > > but > >> > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > > more > >> > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is > > even > >> > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > >> > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a > > fish. > >> > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > > conditions are > >> > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to > > living > >> > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com] > >> > On > >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > > >> > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never > > heard > >> > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the > > main > >> > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > >> > > >> > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > > higher PH > >> > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > > latitude than > >> > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of > > as it > >> > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I > > would think > >> > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that > > somewhere... > >> > > >> > :o) > >> > > >> > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > >> >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > >> >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > >> >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to > > ph burn. > >> >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish > > in. > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37534	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

I’ll let Lenny or Steve or someone else answer about the acclimatization you describe, Harl. I would still quarantine the fish if they came from a pH that was more than a couple decimal points different. I always test the water I receive the fish in and I always ask the seller. (I test because sometimes the seller is wrong.) Another alternative with a new tank, no fish and you are getting all the fish at once and they all come from the same pH, whew that’s a lot of if’s. You could raise the pH of the entire tank to match the fish you are receiving and lower it over a period of weeks with partial water changes. It’s easy to increase pH (just add baking soda) and not easy to decrease it. Since my pH is on the low side for cichlids (7.8), and the fish I receive are usually kept in a higher pH say 8 my process works. Lowering pH is difficult. So this thread is good information to illustrate why it’s a good idea to choose fish suitable to the pH you have. Fishkeeping is difficult enough without adding pH adjustments in a downward direction to the mix! I realize not everyone has a “Q” tank, but posts like these encourage people to get one and help them see the reason it’s a good idea. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change I just picked 3 years as a example to represent a lifespan... I was referring to the fellows move. If he had fishless cycled the tank and had no fish before, no Q tank needed, and he added the fish. Say he floats the bags in the tank for 15 or 20 min. Adds a bit of tank water. Floats another 15 min. and adds more tank water. 15 min later adds more tank water. 15 min later he adds a bit more water. Then 15 min later he nets the fish and adds to the tank. (I use the example as it is what I did just the other day when I stocked my tank.) I am sure all the info given to the original poster are good and should be followed, but I was wondering if the above was OK at one time or other, should he not be able to do that as well? Perhaps not optimal, but doable? I mean to say that the move of the fish should go well without truck loads of water, or the ph burn. I'm not sure that I am right, it does not go in the paper every time someone's fish die, but as many fish get moved, sold and traded, seems odds would be in the movers favor... And this is the first I heard of anyone trying to get the Q tank to match the water the fish came in and changing it over the Q period to what you have. Heck you might not know anything about the water it came from. And getting the ph to match is a chemistry problem beyond many that keep fish I would think. At least I know it is beyond me. It is not right, but I would bet that a very high percentage of fish never see a Q tank at all and are just added to the main tank. Not by the good and experienced fish keepers, (all though I bet sometimes some of you've been guilty also), but by the newer and the not so serious fish keepers. And much of the time it works out OK. Sure not worth the gamble, as when you lose it can be real bad, but chances are better than not that you would be OK, getting fish from a good store. At least I would think so as otherwise more people would be having trouble. I also think most that do see a Q tank get acclimated similar to the first paragraph, to the Q tank, and then later swapped over to the main tank with less acclimation needed... On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > Harl, > > 1. New fish should always be quarantined first. Probably the best way to > acclimate them is with the drip method. You can either use the bag they > came in, or transfer them to another container. Then you drip in tank > water over the period of several hours to double or triple the volume of > the bag water. You may need to change out some of the water to allow > enough of the tank water to be used. If the change in pH is not great, > this should bring the pH close to what you need. Remove the fish from > the container and add them to the tank. The pH in the quarantine tank > will likely be fairly close to that of the display or main tank you will > be placing the fish in after the quarantine period has ended, so no > special treatment would be required. > > To specifically answer your first question, the answer is that it > depends. It depends on what the difference in pH is. Using the above > method for acclimation should do the trick for you unless you have a > great difference in the pH between the fish's bag water and your tank > water. If that is the case, you may need to utilized the drip method for > a longer period. > > For those who wonder how to make a drip, you merely need to take a > section of airline, anchor it in the tank being used, and crimp it > enough to produce a slow drip rather than a steady stream. Crimping can > be accomplished by knotting the tube, Using a clothes pin, maybe even > using a valve (I've not done the last, but it is an idea that came to > me). > > 2. See the above. If you are talking decimal numbers, there is no real > need to worry. It is not likely that a minor change in pH would shorten > a fish's life, but, if they are far enough away from their natural pH, > and there are other stress factors present, it can affect their life > span. > > 3. Again, the definitive answer is that it depends, and it may not > revolve around the specific issue of hardness, but other stress factors > that may be present at the same time. Most fish are pretty resilient > creatures when given a chance. But, they have to have that chance, and > that would mean minimizing, as much as possible, additional stressors on > the fish in question. > > Do fish die from pH shock? Yes they do, but they are probably weakened > already by other factors for them to swim off to the tank in the sky. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Harl Myers >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> >> 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower >> than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and >> release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. >> Are you saying that the odds are against me? >> >> 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a >> number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. >> The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 >> years or less, because of this PH changing event? >> >> 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it >> anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I >> again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made >> it live in harder water? >> >> I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the >> devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... >> >> >> Harl >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@yahoo. <mailto:mchaneyjm%40yahoo.com> com> > wrote: >> > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from > a pH of >> > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to > the >> > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do > this >> > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. > Bring >> > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water > changes >> > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new > water >> > before I actually move them. >> > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of > around >> > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 > out of >> > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. >> > Jimmy McHaney >> > Husser, LA >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> > >> > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is >> > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too > fast. >> > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and > bases, >> > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would > not >> > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH > shock. >> > >> > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH > but >> > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > more >> > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is > even >> > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock >> > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a > fish. >> > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > conditions are >> > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to > living >> > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] >> > On >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change >> > >> > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never > heard >> > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the > main >> > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. >> > >> > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > higher PH >> > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > latitude than >> > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of > as it >> > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I > would think >> > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that > somewhere... >> > >> > :o) >> > >> > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot >> >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most >> >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you >> >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to > ph burn. >> >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish > in. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37535	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

I think he was referring to my post Steve, where I said I would match the pH in the quarantine tank to what the fish are accustomed to and then lower it over time to the pH of my tap. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change Since you are using the same source for water in the display tank and the quarantine tank, the water chemistry of both tanks should be similar. If there was a great difference between the two, one would need to determine why this difference exists between the two tank prior to adding any more fish to the display tank. If you have an empty display tank, then yes, you can add fish directly to that tank, and the quarantine period would take place in that tank. If one is moving, and moving their fish as well, there is another whole set of circumstances to be considered, most of which have been covered in this thread, about how to acclimate the fish to the new water. The gist of this is that you also move most, if not all, of the water with the fish, and the fish will slowly become acclimated to the new water through small, regular water changes. Let me also state that in re-reading your original post here, there is no mention of a move made, other than buying a fish mail order, buying one in a LFS, and getting a fish that would prefer other water parameters than your water provides. Every time I have moved with fish, I have always moved a good portion of the water with them. At one time, I knew a person who moved his fishroom nearly half way across the country. He had enough fish and tanks that he rented a truck for the fish move, and he also moved a good percentage of the water with him. There are no guarantees. I've lost fish that can be attributed to the move and a change in the water chemistry. The person with the truck also lost some fish. But losses have been minimal. While the goal is to move everything without mishap, one should expect that a problem may arise and that heirloom may be broken or a fish may die. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:21 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > I just picked 3 years as a example to represent a lifespan... > > I was referring to the fellows move. If he had fishless cycled the > tank and had no fish before, no Q tank needed, and he added the fish. > Say he floats the bags in the tank for 15 or 20 min. Adds a bit of > tank water. Floats another 15 min. and adds more tank water. 15 min > later adds more tank water. 15 min later he adds a bit more water. > Then 15 min later he nets the fish and adds to the tank. (I use the > example as it is what I did just the other day when I stocked my > tank.) > > I am sure all the info given to the original poster are good and > should be followed, but I was wondering if the above was OK at one > time or other, should he not be able to do that as well? Perhaps not > optimal, but doable? I mean to say that the move of the fish should > go well without truck loads of water, or the ph burn. I'm not sure > that I am right, it does not go in the paper every time someone's fish > die, but as many fish get moved, sold and traded, seems odds would be > in the movers favor... > > And this is the first I heard of anyone trying to get the Q tank to > match the water the fish came in and changing it over the Q period to > what you have. Heck you might not know anything about the water it > came from. And getting the ph to match is a chemistry problem beyond > many that keep fish I would think. At least I know it is beyond me. > It is not right, but I would bet that a very high percentage of fish > never see a Q tank at all and are just added to the main tank. Not by > the good and experienced fish keepers, (all though I bet sometimes > some of you've been guilty also), but by the newer and the not so > serious fish keepers. And much of the time it works out OK. Sure not > worth the gamble, as when you lose it can be real bad, but chances are > better than not that you would be OK, getting fish from a good store. > At least I would think so as otherwise more people would be having > trouble. I also think most that do see a Q tank get acclimated > similar to the first paragraph, to the Q tank, and then later swapped > over to the main tank with less acclimation needed... > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > > Harl, > > > > 1. New fish should always be quarantined first. Probably the best way to > > acclimate them is with the drip method. You can either use the bag they > > came in, or transfer them to another container. Then you drip in tank > > water over the period of several hours to double or triple the volume of > > the bag water. You may need to change out some of the water to allow > > enough of the tank water to be used. If the change in pH is not great, > > this should bring the pH close to what you need. Remove the fish from > > the container and add them to the tank. The pH in the quarantine tank > > will likely be fairly close to that of the display or main tank you will > > be placing the fish in after the quarantine period has ended, so no > > special treatment would be required. > > > > To specifically answer your first question, the answer is that it > > depends. It depends on what the difference in pH is. Using the above > > method for acclimation should do the trick for you unless you have a > > great difference in the pH between the fish's bag water and your tank > > water. If that is the case, you may need to utilized the drip method for > > a longer period. > > > > For those who wonder how to make a drip, you merely need to take a > > section of airline, anchor it in the tank being used, and crimp it > > enough to produce a slow drip rather than a steady stream. Crimping can > > be accomplished by knotting the tube, Using a clothes pin, maybe even > > using a valve (I've not done the last, but it is an idea that came to > > me). > > > > 2. See the above. If you are talking decimal numbers, there is no real > > need to worry. It is not likely that a minor change in pH would shorten > > a fish's life, but, if they are far enough away from their natural pH, > > and there are other stress factors present, it can affect their life > > span. > > > > 3. Again, the definitive answer is that it depends, and it may not > > revolve around the specific issue of hardness, but other stress factors > > that may be present at the same time. Most fish are pretty resilient > > creatures when given a chance. But, they have to have that chance, and > > that would mean minimizing, as much as possible, additional stressors on > > the fish in question. > > > > Do fish die from pH shock? Yes they do, but they are probably weakened > > already by other factors for them to swim off to the tank in the sky. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > >> Harl Myers > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:15 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > >> 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower > >> than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and > >> release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. > >> Are you saying that the odds are against me? > >> > >> 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a > >> number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. > >> The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 > >> years or less, because of this PH changing event? > >> > >> 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it > >> anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I > >> again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made > >> it live in harder water? > >> > >> I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the > >> devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... > >> > >> > >> Harl > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@yahoo. <mailto:mchaneyjm%40yahoo.com> com> > > wrote: > >> > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from > > a pH of > >> > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to > > the > >> > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do > > this > >> > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. > > Bring > >> > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water > > changes > >> > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new > > water > >> > before I actually move them. > >> > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of > > around > >> > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 > > out of > >> > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > >> > Jimmy McHaney > >> > Husser, LA > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> > >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > > >> > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > >> > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too > > fast. > >> > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and > > bases, > >> > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would > > not > >> > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH > > shock. > >> > > >> > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH > > but > >> > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > > more > >> > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is > > even > >> > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > >> > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a > > fish. > >> > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > > conditions are > >> > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to > > living > >> > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com] > >> > On > >> > Behalf Of Harl Myers > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > >> > > >> > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never > > heard > >> > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the > > main > >> > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > >> > > >> > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > > higher PH > >> > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > > latitude than > >> > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of > > as it > >> > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I > > would think > >> > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that > > somewhere... > >> > > >> > :o) > >> > > >> > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > >> >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > >> >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > >> >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to > > ph burn. > >> >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish > > in. > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37536	From: Darlene	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: was about snails now Otocinclus

my Otos i bought about 2-3 months ago are doing very well :) they love the tank and all the hiding places they have my banjo cat fish love the hiding places too !!! you never see them during the day LOLOLOL Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37537	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Harl, What do you mean by by your "acclimating" of your fish over a couple of hours, and then releasing them? You have not acclimated your fish by doing this, but merely equalized the temperature; the pH, GH and KH may be vastly different from that of your tank water. Considering just floating them to equalize the temperature as acclimating them is a fallacy perpetually promoted seemingly by the majority of LFS, and the hobbyists too complacent to investigate this further. This latter part is inexcusable if the hobbyist has already gained enough knowledge to be aware that there can be these differences in the parameters of aquarium water. The odds of the fish making it are as great as the pH is different -- which you have no way of knowing without at least testing the bag water before you even consider releasing the fish. If you have experienced no deaths yet in the way you've been "acclimating" your fish (or have been neglecting to acclimate them), you've been lucky up until now in that the odds have been with you (the parameters of each of these different waters have been close enough to prevent fish deaths); this is not to say they may not have received pH shock, possibly even nearly enough stress to subject them to contracting a disease. If you don't want to drip acclimate (the preferred method) your new fish in to the parameters of your tank's water, as \\Steve// suggests, and by "tank" I mean a quarantine tank, then you should at least slowly exchange the bag water with the tank water by DISCARDING some bag water and adding a some portion of tank water (perhaps 20% at a time) at up to 15 or 20 minute intervals -- depending on the difference in parameters, which you should test for -- after which time when you've replaced nearly all of the bag water, add the fish to your tank and DISCARD remaining bag water. Depends what you mean by the pH being off by a "NUMBER" or two. If the pH is off by a diiference of 2.0, this would be lethal, and there's no reason why it couldn't vary that much from your own pH when coming from an entirely different source that had been shipped in. If, by "NUMBERS" you mean a difference of 0.2, that is acceptable but is recommended as the extreme limit one should subject there fish to at any one time. A large diffence in the "numbers" of the pH, if not lethal, WILL subject the fish to stress -- possibly causing disease -- but once acclimated, if the fish remains healthy and usually (but NOT ALWAYS) after recovery from a possible disease from this cause, the fish's longevity should not be affected. If the fish will totally acclimate to your water (again -- intially "acclimated" to your water by your slow process of introduction), regardless of whether it "supposed to be" in softer water, this will not affect its longevity. If this difference is great enough to be borderline to its needs, you may expect possible illnesses of this fish throughout its 3 year life-span, which of itself may cut this fish's live short. There are many fish which WILL NOT acclimate to a total hardness difference one way or the other, beyond its needs of those parameters in which it has evolved in, resulting in its death within no more than than 2 weeks and often less. Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > 1. I buy a fish on line, and the ph in the bag s higher or lower > than what I have. I acclimate the fish over a couple of hours, and > release into my tank. I fully think my new fish is going to make it. > Are you saying that the odds are against me? > > 2. I buy a fish at a LFS and the ph is similar, but still off by a > number or two. Again I take a couple of hours to acclimate the fish. > The fish should live for three years on average. Would I only get 2 > years or less, because of this PH changing event? > > 3. A fish is suppose to be in softer water than I have, but I get it > anyway. Again life expectancy is three years for this fish. Will I > again only see 2 years, a 33.3 drop in life expectancy because I made > it live in harder water? > > I realize these questions can not have detailed exact answers as the > devil is in the details, but I mean on average, or on probability... > > > Harl > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of > > 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the > > change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this > > before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring > > home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes > > over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water > > before I actually move them. > > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around > > 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of > > the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > > Jimmy McHaney > > Husser, LA > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > > > :o) > > > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > >> of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > >> fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > >> will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > >> So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37538	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: do molly babies taste bad?

I have red wag swordtails and white sail fin mollies, and the mollies have much larger broods than the swords. I have yet to see any of the fry eaten. The molly fry do seem braver than the swords - maybe safety in numbers? Anyway, I do not breed the swordtails anymore, the mollies are more interesting, so I move the fry to a growing out tank, trade them in at the lfs, bring home a new male and start the cycle over again. The last male molly was orange and even though the majority of fry were white, I did get a few interesting orange/black ones. I'm considering a lyre tail sail fin male for the next go around. Gotta love these live bearers. Barbara In a message dated 2/17/2009 10:38:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dewdude35@... writes: ok I am bored, sitting here looking at my tank.. watching all the molly fry swimming about... I have one female silver lyre tail molly .. she has had 2 broods. I have three female swordtails... I have had 5 broods of fry.... but I have only 2 lonely little swordtail babies swimming about... and about 15 mollies? Would that make swordtail babies... orange in color a much tastier morsel then the silver mollies? yeah a pretty random thought....my gravel is black with the neon green,blue red and orange, pink and purple gravel scattered about... no white... so If protective coloration were the selection item, one would think the white fish were the ones to be eaten... any thoughts? swordtails more suicidal than mollies? wonder what kind of responses this will get. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37539	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Jimmy, Provided you acclimate your fish slowly, as you've indicated intending on doing, in general there should be no (or very little) problems with your fish provided any of them are not already near the extremes of their livable range. While it's recognized that many acid water fish are now being raised in captivity in alkaline water and have been doing so for a number of generations, still there is a limit to the extent of this deviation of parameters from that in which they evolved in, i.e., you may be successfully able to acclimate Cardinal Tetras to a pH of 8.2, but may find this pH beyond the range of what Neon Tetras could adapt to. While the potential of hydrogen ion concentration (pH) must always be regarded and not taken lightly, BY FAR, the more important parameter one needs always to consider and one the most hobbyists are not aware of as being this important in possible differences of osmotic pressure is the hardness -- especially the general hardness (gH) but also the combined (gH - kH) hardness, as total hardness. If this pressure is extensive, it can wreak havoc with the internal systems of your fish, and this difference is especially more dangerous when exposing a fish to water containing LESS dissolved solids than that in which it is being presently maintained. Your GH difference of 71.2ppm, your drop from 5 dGH to 1 dGH, is not enough to cause too much concern. Still, and this is one of the very rare times you might need an addition of salt, I would suggest your adding 1 Tbs of salt per 10 gallons to make up this difference in TDS (total dissolved solids), which will not effect any fish or plants. Depending on the species you're maintaining (which I haven't seen mentioned, although I may have missed it), you may either slowly eliminate this salt with subsequent PWC's or maintain this level as part of these fishes' permanent maintenance. One (1) dGH is extremely low and most aquarium fish would prefer a somewhat higher level of elements in their water in the form of such compounds, or possibly even an addition of carbonates. With a GH of only 1 o, I would suspect your KH to very possibly (but not necessarily) be on the low side too, resulting in little buffering capacity. This could be an issue in needing to maintain your pH from crashing. If you haven't yet indicated your KH elsewhere, I'd advise you to inform us of this parameter level, in the event we may need to suggest what measures need to be taken for better water stability. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the change slowly.  I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move.  I will do as you suggested..  Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours.  >  Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > :o) > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > > of dead fish on your hands. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > > fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > > will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37540	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: old tank syndrome - all water readings

1st tank reading was: Ammonia - between .25 & .5 Nitrate - 200+ Nitrite - between 0 & 5 GH - 300+ KH - 40 pH - 6.8 2nd tank reading was: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 200+ Nitrite - between .5 & 1 GH - 300+ KH - between 0-40 pH - 6.8 tank reading this morning: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 (closer to 0) Nitrate 200+ Nitrite between 0 & .5 GH - 300 KH - between 0 & 40 (about in the middle) pH - 6.8 1st tap reading: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 20 Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH - 75 KH - 80 pH - 8.4 24 hr tap reading: Ammonia - between .5 & 3 (closer to 3) Nitrate - between 20 Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH - 150 KH - between 40 & 80 pH - 7.8 48 hr tap reading: Ammonia - 3.0 Nitrate - between 0 & 20 (almost 20) Nitrite - 0 GH - 150 KH - between 40 & 80 (almost 80) pH - 7.8 I did find a bottle of PRIME and did a 5% water change last night using that to treat the new water. I also got some aquarium salt and put 5 small pinches in (55 gal tank). Fish seem to be doing better - platies were trying to mate this morning. Please let me know what's next as far as getting this fixed. Thanks so much in advance! Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37541	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - all water readings

It's good that your ammonia and nitrites are staying low but the goal is to get them to 0.0ppm which is where they should always be in a properly cycled and functioning aquarium. I don't recall you ever telling us what brand/model of filter system that you have. The next steps are to keep doing daily 5% to 10% PWC's (partial water changes) and siphoning your substrate each time to keep removing the build-up of detritus in the substrate as that decaying detritus will continue to add to your nitrate build-up which we need to slowly lower down to the 40ppm range. If you haven't read my long article on Filter Maintenance And Cleaning (see my blog... link in my sig), please do so. I cover most filter systems in general but if I knew your exact system, I'd be happy to give you more specific instructions on what to do and NOT do so you keep your filter "cycled". You DO NOT want to over clean the filter or throw away anything from your filter right now... but it probably does need some proper cleaning to eliminate the excess detritus in the filter which is also continuing to contribute to the nitrate build-up. Your 48 hour tap water reading is going to be your baseline. Once we get your tank back into a good ecological state, your tank water will be much closer to your tap water so that when you do your weekly 25% PWC's, you will not be changing the chemistry very much so these PWC's will not be stressful to your fish... and instead be something they like very much. I'm concerned about the 3.0ppm of ammonia in your final tap water test. I'm not sure how it would have gone up from the 0.5ppm to 3.0ppm but if you are using dip sticks to test your water, they have been known to be inconsistent. If your tap water does in fact have 3.0ppm of ammonia, then you will need to use the Prime as your primary tap water treatment for future PWC's... but I still doubt that the tap water has such a high ammonia level. Call your utility and ask them. I have a blog article about "Chlorine/Chloramine in Tap Water" and you will see a series of emails between me and one of the chemists at my utility where they explain that the ammonia should only be around 0.5ppm when the water is treated with Chloramine. I guess I should have been more clear but when I said a pinch of salt per 10G. I should have said regular household salt.... which is what so-called "aquarium salt" is... sodium chloride.. the same salt we put on our food (surprise your guests next time by putting the aquarium salt on your dining table... lol). If/when you finally run out of the aquarium salt, which you likely paid 500% more for because they call it "aquarium salt", next time, just buy regular plain salt at your local grocery (no additives preferred but for occasional treatment purposes, iodized salt is OK too... I use it) or kosher salt, which is more certain to have no additives but it's usually higher priced than the generic or store brand plain or iodized salt.. usually around 33 to 50 cents for a 26 oz. round... which will last a LONG time if used only for the fish... so you might as well get something you'll also use in your kitchen. Are you using a master test kit with test tubes and reagent chemicals... or the dip sticks? If the dip sticks, when you run out of them, you should probably get a "real" master test kit.. which is not only much more accurate but also much less expensive. The dip sticks are OK for checking things at a glance but if there are problems, then you need a good test kit to make verify or clarify the test results. You can get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette master test kits from Walmart.com for under $17.00 with free shipping to your local WalMart. Either of these kits would last you around a year. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - all water readings 1st tank reading was: Ammonia - between .25 & .5 Nitrate - 200+ Nitrite - between 0 & 5 GH - 300+ KH - 40 pH - 6.8 2nd tank reading was: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 200+ Nitrite - between .5 & 1 GH - 300+ KH - between 0-40 pH - 6.8 tank reading this morning: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 (closer to 0) Nitrate 200+ Nitrite between 0 & .5 GH - 300 KH - between 0 & 40 (about in the middle) pH - 6.8 1st tap reading: Ammonia - between 0 & .25 Nitrate - 20 Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH - 75 KH - 80 pH - 8.4 24 hr tap reading: Ammonia - between .5 & 3 (closer to 3) Nitrate - between 20 Nitrite - between 0 & .5 GH - 150 KH - between 40 & 80 pH - 7.8 48 hr tap reading: Ammonia - 3.0 Nitrate - between 0 & 20 (almost 20) Nitrite - 0 GH - 150 KH - between 40 & 80 (almost 80) pH - 7.8 I did find a bottle of PRIME and did a 5% water change last night using that to treat the new water. I also got some aquarium salt and put 5 small pinches in (55 gal tank). Fish seem to be doing better - platies were trying to mate this morning. Please let me know what's next as far as getting this fixed. Thanks so much in advance! Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37543	From: Rich	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I have ramshorn and pond snails, from the days when we had a dwarf puffer who ate them. While the pond snails breed readily, I've yet to see any little ramshorns. We have two; used to have three but one died. If the pond snails become too numerous I just pick a few out as the come to the front glass.   Rich   > I have some ramshorns in my tank.  they are really hardy and reproduce without > pairs.  I like them, they help with excess food that falls to the bottom and > they dig under the substrate and keep it aereated.  I don't know if they would > be ok with cichlids or not. > > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." > -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > From: clandestine662002@... > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:42 -0800 > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? > > > > so, I caught a glimpse of another topic on Snails. Does anyone in the group > have them in their tank, and can they tell me what are the benefits? And what do > they eat? > > Would they survive an agressive tank (with Cichlids)? > >  > > thanks > > <3 Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37544	From: turbocoupe76	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Better test kits

Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits

The color variation is likely being caused by the light source. I find that when I'm in my kitchen under fluorescent lighting, I get accurate results but the yellow from incandescent lighting changes the color slightly. Also, if your tank has slightly green water (many do), that will also account for a slight color change. Fill a separate test tube with plain tank water and put it next to the actual tested water and then look at the color chart through both tubes and see if you get a more accurate reading. This is one of the principle's for a more accurate test, behind the below Kordon Test Kit. There is a more accurate test kit... but it's not cheap. Here's a snip from my article "Everyone needs a decent Master Test Kit" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/everyone-needs-decent-master-test-kit. html (START SNIP) Kordon AquaTru Test Kits (highly recommended by \\Steve//) and I've read over the information at http://www.novalek.com/kordon/aquatru/overview.htm and I can see why \\Steve// speaks highly of this kit. It's a much higher price than many of the above mentioned test kits but since accuracy is something we strive for, it's certainly something to be considered.... The best price I could find on the Kordon Freshwater Master Test Kit was from an eBay store for around $60.00 plus 6.99 shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/Kordon-Fresh-Water-Master-Aquarium-Test-Kit-35810_W0QQit emZ130125159778QQcmdZViewItem and here is the seller's online store site if the above link fails... http://stores.ebay.com/By-Rite-Pet-Supply but \\Steve// provided this link where this kit is on sale for $48.00 right now (10/17/08) http://www.fish.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=790088+002 but it's regular price is $78.00 plus shipping when the sale ends. (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turbocoupe76 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Better test kits Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37546	From: Dave H.	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

My snails are the Red Ramshorns.  They also breed often.  I feed them the Algae tablets once a month so they will have something to eat.  We started with 8 snails 3 years ago.  It was a gift from my brother in law.  Now, we have over 50 and its hard to get rid of!!!  But I keep the snail populations under control by feeding them 2 tablets, then scoop them up and take it to the pet store for them to sell.  Thats the best way I do it!!  And its fun to watch the babies develop inside the eggs.  Amazing to see it grow as well. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about snails To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 9:08 PM I bought the snail. Almost got a pleco but then I looked at the care and they require a bigger tank than what I have so passed on that.  I would say it is about an inch long at most -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 5:49 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about snails Did you buy this snail as a pet or get it as a hitchhiker on a plant? If you bought it, it's likely a Black Mystery Snail. How big is it? This site, http://applesnail.net has a very good care sheet http://applesnail.net/content/care.php on Apple Snails which is applicable to their smaller cousins, the Mystery Snails. They also have pages about breeding and reproduction as well but if it's a Mystery Snail, it's not the prolific breeder like some nuisance snails and usually require two (a male and female) to reproduce although there are instances where a female could already be storing sperm from a previous "hook-up". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:29 PM =0 ATo: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails ?I just got a snail not sure of what type it is (it is black in color maybe someone here can tell me the species of snail.) I have some questions about them. How often to feed them? How many recommended for 10 gal tank? Will the snail breed on its own and produce babies? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37547	From: cherrystix81	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and one from the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next week......and hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to maintain my tank in a way that I can keep fish alive. so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one guppy, 2 long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost within three weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 sucky fish...they kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i have a 25 gal. tank and a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was doing a 10% water change every week but then thought that might be why my sucky fish dyed so i went to every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think i may have been overfeeding.....oh boy what to do what to do....anyway here r the first day results: tap: tank: pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 No2. 0 No2. 0 GH. 0 GH. 25 KH. 300 KH. above 300 No3. 0 No3. 40 this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick dip 5 tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37548	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

Is this a new tank, only established a few weeks ago? If so do you have a test kit (preferably not the test strips as they are not as accurate, a master test kit from API will work good, and is usually less than $20 online or at walmart if your walmart carries it)? New fish owners often over feed, I know I did at first. General rule is to only put enough food in the tank for the fish to consume in less than 5 minutes, if there's still some left after that you should try to scoop it out with a net, and feed less the next time around. For young fish that are still growing it is safe to feed up to 3 times a day, as they get older you can decrease this to only once a day. You're going to need to get a test kit to test your ammonia levels either way, that is the number one killer in new tanks. How often do you clean your filter, and how do you clean it when you do? Amber cherrystix81 wrote: > > ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and > one from the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next > week......and hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to > maintain my tank in a way that I can keep fish alive. > so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one > guppy, 2 long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost > within three weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 > sucky fish...they kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i > have a 25 gal. tank and a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was > doing a 10% water change every week but then thought that might be > why my sucky fish dyed so i went to every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think > i may have been overfeeding.....oh boy what to do what to > do....anyway here r the first day results: > tap: tank: > pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 > No2. 0 No2. 0 > GH. 0 GH. 25 > KH. 300 KH. above 300 > No3. 0 No3. 40 > this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick > dip 5 tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) > really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37549	From: Gail	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

LOl where can I get one?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37550	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Thanks Ray. In my original post I stated that the KH of the new water was 8. The current water has a KH of 5. Also the fish are gourami, ottos, cory and a bristlenose. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:46 AM, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Jimmy, Provided you acclimate your fish slowly, as you've indicated intending on doing, in general there should be no (or very little) problems with your fish provided any of them are not already near the extremes of their livable range. While it's recognized that many acid water fish are now being raised in captivity in alkaline water and have been doing so for a number of generations, still there is a limit to the extent of this deviation of parameters from that in which they evolved in, i.e., you may be successfully able to acclimate Cardinal Tetras to a pH of 8.2, but may find this pH beyond the range of what Neon Tetras could adapt to. While the potential of hydrogen ion concentration (pH) must always be regarded and not taken lightly, BY FAR, the more important parameter one needs always to consider and one the most hobbyists are not aware of as being this important in possible differences of osmotic pressure is the hardness -- especially the general hardness (gH) but also the combined (gH - kH) hardness, as total hardness. If this pressure is extensive, it can wreak havoc with the internal systems of your fish, and this difference is especially more dangerous when exposing a fish to water containing LESS dissolved solids than that in which it is being presently maintained. Your GH difference of 71.2ppm, your drop from 5 dGH to 1 dGH, is not enough to cause too much concern. Still, and this is one of the very rare times you might need an addition of salt, I would suggest your adding 1 Tbs of salt per 10 gallons to make up this difference in TDS (total dissolved solids), which will not effect any fish or plants. Depending on the species you're maintaining (which I haven't seen mentioned, although I may have missed it), you may either slowly eliminate this salt with subsequent PWC's or maintain this level as part of these fishes' permanent maintenance. One (1) dGH is extremely low and most aquarium fish would prefer a somewhat higher level of elements in their water in the form of such compounds, or possibly even an addition of carbonates. With a GH of only 1 o, I would suspect your KH to very possibly (but not necessarily) be on the low side too, resulting in little buffering capacity.. This could be an issue in needing to maintain your pH from crashing. If you haven't yet indicated your KH elsewhere, I'd advise you to inform us of this parameter level, in the event we may need to suggest what measures need to be taken for better water stability. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I acclimate them to the change slowly. I will probably have several weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move. I will do as you suggested.. Bring home some buckets of water from the new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move them. > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 hours. > Jimmy McHaney > Husser, LA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too fast. > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and bases, > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would not > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH shock. > > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH but > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no more > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is even > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect a fish. > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh conditions are > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated to living > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I never heard > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the main > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much higher PH > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater latitude than > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of as it > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I would think > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that somewhere... > > :o) > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a lot > > of dead fish on your hands.. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which most > > fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 you > > will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to ph burn. > > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish in. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ted { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37551	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Feeding Oto's

I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37552	From: flohk13@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

All my fish love zucchini. I slice it up, boil it for a couple minutes, let it cool, cut it into small chunks, toss in one chunk and freeze the rest for later use. Algae in a tank is not a sufficient diet for otos...I feed mine pieces of algae wafers on a regular basis as well as veggies and they also (like all my other fish) enjoy munching on the snail jello (jello FOR snails, not made of, lol) I toss in. Opi -----Original Message----- From: J. Ford <ford@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 3:01 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet [Non-text portions of=2 0this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37553	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

OK. The main thing we need is your tap water baseline so using that same cup of water, re-test it at 24 hours and then at 48 hours. In case you haven't seen other posts... when you run out of the dip sticks, don't buy more of them. Get a "real" test kit instead. For the price of 50 of the dip sticks, you can get a good master test kit that will last you a year and will give you more reliable test results. Do you have a separate ammonia test strip? I know with most of the dip sticks, the ammonia is a separate stick.. at least the last time I had some many years ago. More than likely, your ammonia is 0.0ppm since you are showing 0.0 for nitrites and your nitrates have gone up from 0.0 to 40ppm. Did you test the tank water before or after your last PWC? If after, then you need to bump up your PWC schedule to 20-25% per week. Even if your nitrates weren't 40ppm, it's still good to do weekly PWC's just so the water stays more stabile between PWC's and the fish get a constant supply of fresh water. At first glance, it seems you could have something in your tank that is leaching hardness into the water... both GH and KH. Are you adding salt to the tank.. or any other additives besides a basic dechlor product? What kind of substrate/gravel do you have? Do you have any decorative rocks in the tank? What other decorations or filter additives do you have? If you only have the basic stuff that comes with an Aqua Clear, then you are OK but I want to make sure you haven't added or removed anything. Since you have such a high KH level, Your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests will tell us more about whether the pH, GH and KH are rising from the tap or if it's happening after the water is in your tank. If your tap water baseline stays where it's at, then you will need to be more selective in which fish you keep since you have such a high pH and KH. Your GH of 25ppm equates to around 1.4 dH for GH so you have a motley crew of water parameters. More than likely, your water comes from a water source that flows through lots of limestone before getting to you or your utility. Check out the fish profiles/care sheets on http://fish.Mongabay.com for each of your fish to see what their preferred water parameters are and what the high/low are.. mainly the high in your case... or do what I do and just type the common name and Mongabay into Google and it will almost always find the profile in the top 1 or 2 hits. Livebearers (such as guppies, platies, mollies) should be OK with your water but many of the other fish you have tried are likely soft water, low pH type fish so your water was just too much for them and caused osmotic stress issues for them. I guess a simple analogy would be like you moving to Antarctica or the Sahara Desert. You may do OK for a while in those extreme temperatures but if you don't have a shelter, clothing, etc., to bring things back to "normal" for you, eventually those extremes would kill you. Unfortunately, for the fish, there is no where for them to seek shelter from the extreme water conditions so those conditions eventually catch up with the weaker fish first and eventually even the strongest fish succumb. Here are the profiles on the Zebra Danio's and Guppies, with a snip of the Water Chemistry sections from each profile... http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html - Zebra Danio Water chemistry: pH 6-8 (7.0), 2-20 dH (8), 64-75°F (18-24°C) What this means is that they do OK in a pH of 6 - 8 but prefer 7.0 so your 8.4+ pH is at the upper extreme range of what they prefer. You'll also see they are cold water fish although most pet stores and LFS sell them as tropical fish and they are hardy little guys so they do OK at tropical temps but do better in cooler waters. Between the warmer waters, higher pH, etc., even these hardy little guys may not be able to survive. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html - Guppies Water chemistry: pH 7-8.5 (7.0), 10-30 dH (20), 64-84°F (18-29°C). A 0.5 to 2% addition of salt is recommended. This can be accomplished by adding 4-15 TSP. of salt to every 10 gallons of water (5-20 g/10 l). What this means is that the guppies do OK with a pH of 7 to 8.5 so even your 8.4+ is at the upper level for them but at least it's not outside their upper level. As you see, many reputable sources advise adding some salt to tanks with livebearers since they generally prefer harder water (higher GH levels of 10-30dH with a preference of 20dH) and the salt will help make the water harder. For simplicity, 1dH = 17.8ppm or I just round it up to 18ppm so they like 180ppm to 480ppm of GH with a preference of 360ppm... so your GH is on the low end at only 25ppm.. but DON'T change anything yet. Read through this and give us more info and your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests and if you can get a better test kit, those numbers would be even better. Let us know if you might have rocks or something that is leaching KH and GH into your tank. Keep doing your weekly 20-25% PWC's and since you do have such extreme levels, doing even more than weekly would be even better.. for example, doing 10% a couple of times a week instead of just once weekly 20% PWC. The reason for this is to keep the tank even more stabile so the pH, GH and KH stays closer to the same levels between each PWC so the PWC does not change the pH, GH or KH very much each time you do one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cherrystix81 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and one from the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next week......and hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to maintain my tank in a way that I can keep fish alive. so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one guppy, 2 long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost within three weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 sucky fish...they kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i have a 25 gal. tank and a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was doing a 10% water change every week but then thought that might be why my sucky fish dyed so i went to every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think i may have been overfeeding.....oh boy what to do what to do....anyway here r the first day results: tap: tank: pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 No2. 0 No2. 0 GH. 0 GH. 25 KH. 300 KH. above 300 No3. 0 No3. 40 this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick dip 5 tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37554	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits

I have one of the Kordon Aquatru Freshwater Master Kits. It uses dry reagents that have expiration dates and a unique type of vial. It cost about $60 for 10 test. It is suppost to be very accurate. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:29 AM, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37555	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Your other fish may like the zucchini also... at least all of my fish like it when I feed mine... although the Betta may not go after it very much since they are more carnivorous than your other fish. I buy the frozen zucchini slices and just take a single slice to feed an entire tank of fish. Since it wounds like you bought a fresh one, you could slice it into 1/4" thick round slices and freeze your leftovers. It might be best to freeze them laid out on a sheet and then after they are frozen, put the pieces in a zip-loc bag so they won't get frozen together. Take the single slice and nuke it for 10 seconds or so.. just enough to blanche it. Then cut through one part of the rind so it is no longer a ring.. although with your smaller fish, the ring should be a problem anyhow.. but for larger fish, they could get the ring caught around their heads/gills. If you have an all plastic clothespin, you could use that as a veggie clip... especially if the clothespin sinks. If it doesn't, then it might not be of any use. I use the little lead-like strips that come on many live plants and put the strip through one edge of the rind and then fold it over and pinch it and then drop it into the tank. I usually feed it as a last meal of the night and leave it in overnight so my pleco gets a chance to eat it after the goldfish are full. Usually, by morning, all that is left is a little piece of rind and the lead-like metal strip. I use my claw tool to grab it and remove it till next time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37556	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

You should should have saved this for April 1st, lol! (Of course with me, you could still do that and surprise me all over again) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Just uploaded to the photos section is this rare gold shark. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/2127739093/pic/50 8993822/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/c2tlln \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37557	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy

When you say 10 tests, do you mean 10 different types of tests or 10 tests and you have to go buy another kit? I sure hope it's the former and not the latter. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy McHaney" <mchaneyjm@...> I have one of the Kordon Aquatru Freshwater Master Kits. It uses dry reagents that have expiration dates and a unique type of vial. It cost about $60 for 10 test. It is suppost to be very accurate. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:29 AM, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37558	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy

I think the Kordon does 10 tests of each parameter (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.).. but it still ends up being around $1.00 per test so it a lot more expensive than either API or Tetratest-laborette kits... which gets dozens of each test (4 to 6 parameters) and the kits sell for under $20.00. Replacement packets of the chemicals for the Kordon kit are a little less. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Better test kits - Jimmy When you say 10 tests, do you mean 10 different types of tests or 10 tests and you have to go buy another kit? I sure hope it's the former and not the latter. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy McHaney" <mchaneyjm@...> I have one of the Kordon Aquatru Freshwater Master Kits. It uses dry reagents that have expiration dates and a unique type of vial. It cost about $60 for 10 test. It is suppost to be very accurate. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:29 AM, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37559	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits

> Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? > Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is > just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be > at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or > what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully > cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? > > Tom There are also the kits the reef folks use, like the SeaChem and Salifert kits which are designed for much lower tolerances. They are more complex to use and much more expensive. At this point you have to start looking at diminishing returns. You are not going to get lab quality results with this kind of test kit. I am not sure that for "fresh water" we need it. Also, unless you have no fish in the aquarium you should be able to find some ammonia if you use a fine enough test. If there was no ammonia, there would be by definition, no nitrogen cycle. I actually think that in some cases a more sensitive test might not serve a positive purpose. It may cause you to believe you have a problem when it does not in fact exist. ----- Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37560	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Moving and water change

Alright Jimmy, I missed that part, thanks for the fill-in. As a buffer, 8 dkH is not very much, even though it will help boost your TDS as needed when considering your very low GH of 1 o. Still, unless you want to run the risk of pH crash, I'd suggest adding a small amount (1 tsp) of Caribsea Aragonite (Florida crushed coral) to your filter to add some calcium carbonate. You could also use Caribsea's Aragamite; this is mined fossil aragonite, and is marketed from Caribsea as a powdered calcium carbonate product. You only need 1/4 tsp per 50 gallons at the most --I'd start with half that amount and see where you're at. All your fish do well in soft water, but you don't want it to crash. A token amount of carbonates will keep this from happening. BTW, That sentence in my post below starting as: "If this pressure is extensive, it can wreak havoc . . . " -- should read -- "If this pressure DIFFERENCE is extensive, it can wreak havoc . . ." While it still may make sense either way, the first (erroneous) way was not what was intended. Actually, the fish will suffer more if they're subjected to a large reduced difference in osmotic pressure rather than more osmotic pressure -- they can become dehydrated. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@...> wrote: > > Thanks Ray. In my original post I stated that the KH of the new water was 8. The current water has a KH of 5. Also the fish are gourami, ottos, cory and a bristlenose. > > Sent from my iPod > Jimmy > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:46 AM, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Jimmy, Provided you acclimate your fish slowly, as you've indicated > intending on doing, in general there should be no (or very little) > problems with your fish provided any of them are not already near the > extremes of their livable range. While it's recognized that many > acid water fish are now being raised in captivity in alkaline water > and have been doing so for a number of generations, still there is a > limit to the extent of this deviation of parameters from that in > which they evolved in, i.e., you may be successfully able to > acclimate Cardinal Tetras to a pH of 8.2, but may find this pH beyond > the range of what Neon Tetras could adapt to. > > While the potential of hydrogen ion concentration (pH) must always be > regarded and not taken lightly, BY FAR, the more important parameter > one needs always to consider and one the most hobbyists are not aware > of as being this important in possible differences of osmotic > pressure is the hardness -- especially the general hardness (gH) but > also the combined (gH - kH) hardness, as total hardness. If this > pressure is extensive, it can wreak havoc with the internal systems > of your fish, and this difference is especially more dangerous when > exposing a fish to water containing LESS dissolved solids than that > in which it is being presently maintained. > > Your GH difference of 71.2ppm, your drop from 5 dGH to 1 dGH, is not > enough to cause too much concern. Still, and this is one of the very > rare times you might need an addition of salt, I would suggest your > adding 1 Tbs of salt per 10 gallons to make up this difference in TDS > (total dissolved solids), which will not effect any fish or plants. > Depending on the species you're maintaining (which I haven't seen > mentioned, although I may have missed it), you may either slowly > eliminate this salt with subsequent PWC's or maintain this level as > part of these fishes' permanent maintenance. One (1) dGH is > extremely low and most aquarium fish would prefer a somewhat higher > level of elements in their water in the form of such compounds, or > possibly even an addition of carbonates. With a GH of only 1 o, I > would suspect your KH to very possibly (but not necessarily) be on > the low side too, resulting in little buffering capacity.. This could > be an issue in needing to maintain your pH from crashing. If you > haven't yet indicated your KH elsewhere, I'd advise you to inform us > of this parameter level, in the event we may need to suggest what > measures need to be taken for better water stability. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy McHaney <mchaneyjm@> > wrote: > > > > So Lenny I take it that there might not be a problem with going > from a pH of 7.5 to a pH of 8.2 and a GH of 5 to a GH of 1 if I > acclimate them to the change slowly. I will probably have several > weeks or longer to do this before I have to make the actual move. I > will do as you suggested.. Bring home some buckets of water from the > new house and do small water changes over a period of a week or two > to get the fish acclimated to the new water before I actually move > them. > > Unlike my current water (well water) out of the tap that has a pH > of around 6.0 and goes to 7.2 over 36 hours the new water (city > water) was 8.2 out of the tap and did not change at all over 36 > hours. > > Jimmy McHaney > > Husser, LA > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:23:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > > > I think pH "burn" might have been overkill as a word but pH shock is > > certainly something that happens when the pH changes too much, too > fast. > > Technically, pH burn could happen since pH deals with acids and > bases, > > either of which can burn our skin, but in our tanks, "burn" would > not > > happen... but rapidly changing pH levels can and does cause pH > shock. > > > > > > Usually a plummeting pH is harder on fish than a quickly rising pH > but > > either should be avoided. It's best to slowly acclimate fish at no > more > > than 0.2 pH change per day... a lower amount over a longer time is > even > > better. Same goes with temperature shock. Other osmoregulatory shock > > issues such as salinity, hardness, etc., can also adversely affect > a fish. > > Wild fish and outdoor fish who have been living in more harsh > conditions are > > less affected than our indoor fish who are have become acclimated > to living > > in very stabile temperature and water parameters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Moving and water change > > > > What you talkin' about? Some fish do not like higher PH, but I > never heard > > of a PH Burn. It has been my understanding that PH stability is the > main > > key, and try to pick out fish that tolerate a high PH. > > > > Also, if I understand it right, many tank bred fish tolerate much > higher PH > > than those that are wild caught. So you might have a greater > latitude than > > is suggested on the fishes profile. That one I am not quite sure of > as it > > should take a lot of generations to effect a change like that I > would think > > in the genetic make up of fish. Still I am sure I read that > somewhere... > > > > :o) > > > > On 2/18/09, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Oh yeah!!!!! If those parameters aren't changed you will have a > lot > > > of dead fish on your hands.. 7.4 is not that far from 7.0 which > most > > > fish store try to keep there community tanks levels at. At 8.2 > you > > > will definitely stress you fish out, and possibly subject them to > ph burn. > > > So you may want to lower those levels prior to putting your fish > in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ted { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp- msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37561	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

I can attest to guppies doing very well at lower pH ranges too, I keep my guppies in a pH of 6.1, and I have very soft water. My glo-fish danio's are also much more active since I lowered the temps of the aquarium. I used to keep it around 80, and now it's usually 77-78 for my hillstream loaches (which is their highest recommended temps), it's amazing what just a few degrees in temp will do for activity in danio's ;) They seem much more playful. My guppies and platy's are both doing fine in lower pH, even though they are recommended for higher pH ranges, I did have 1 initial casualty to my platy's but I think she was unhealthy from the start. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > OK. The main thing we need is your tap water baseline so using that same > cup of water, re-test it at 24 hours and then at 48 hours. > > In case you haven't seen other posts... when you run out of the dip > sticks, > don't buy more of them. Get a "real" test kit instead. For the price of 50 > of the dip sticks, you can get a good master test kit that will last you a > year and will give you more reliable test results. Do you have a separate > ammonia test strip? I know with most of the dip sticks, the ammonia is a > separate stick.. at least the last time I had some many years ago. More > than likely, your ammonia is 0.0ppm since you are showing 0.0 for nitrites > and your nitrates have gone up from 0.0 to 40ppm. Did you test the tank > water before or after your last PWC? If after, then you need to bump up > your PWC schedule to 20-25% per week. Even if your nitrates weren't 40ppm, > it's still good to do weekly PWC's just so the water stays more stabile > between PWC's and the fish get a constant supply of fresh water. > > At first glance, it seems you could have something in your tank that is > leaching hardness into the water... both GH and KH. Are you adding salt to > the tank.. or any other additives besides a basic dechlor product? What > kind of substrate/gravel do you have? Do you have any decorative rocks in > the tank? What other decorations or filter additives do you have? If you > only have the basic stuff that comes with an Aqua Clear, then you are > OK but > I want to make sure you haven't added or removed anything. Since you have > such a high KH level, > > Your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests will tell us more about > whether the pH, GH and KH are rising from the tap or if it's happening > after > the water is in your tank. > > If your tap water baseline stays where it's at, then you will need to be > more selective in which fish you keep since you have such a high pH > and KH. > Your GH of 25ppm equates to around 1.4 dH for GH so you have a motley crew > of water parameters. More than likely, your water comes from a water > source > that flows through lots of limestone before getting to you or your > utility. > > Check out the fish profiles/care sheets on http://fish.Mongabay.com > <http://fish.Mongabay.com> for each > of your fish to see what their preferred water parameters are and what the > high/low are.. mainly the high in your case... or do what I do and > just type > the common name and Mongabay into Google and it will almost always > find the > profile in the top 1 or 2 hits. > > Livebearers (such as guppies, platies, mollies) should be OK with your > water > but many of the other fish you have tried are likely soft water, low > pH type > fish so your water was just too much for them and caused osmotic stress > issues for them. > > I guess a simple analogy would be like you moving to Antarctica or the > Sahara Desert. You may do OK for a while in those extreme temperatures but > if you don't have a shelter, clothing, etc., to bring things back to > "normal" for you, eventually those extremes would kill you. Unfortunately, > for the fish, there is no where for them to seek shelter from the extreme > water conditions so those conditions eventually catch up with the weaker > fish first and eventually even the strongest fish succumb. > > Here are the profiles on the Zebra Danio's and Guppies, with a snip of the > Water Chemistry sections from each profile... > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> - Zebra Danio > Water chemistry: pH 6-8 (7.0), 2-20 dH (8), 64-75°F (18-24°C) > > What this means is that they do OK in a pH of 6 - 8 but prefer 7.0 so your > 8.4+ pH is at the upper extreme range of what they prefer. You'll also see > they are cold water fish although most pet stores and LFS sell them as > tropical fish and they are hardy little guys so they do OK at tropical > temps > but do better in cooler waters. Between the warmer waters, higher pH, > etc., > even these hardy little guys may not be able to survive. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html> - Guppies > Water chemistry: pH 7-8.5 (7.0), 10-30 dH (20), 64-84°F (18-29°C). A > 0.5 to > 2% addition of salt is recommended. This can be accomplished by adding > 4-15 > TSP. of salt to every 10 gallons of water (5-20 g/10 l). > > What this means is that the guppies do OK with a pH of 7 to 8.5 so > even your > 8.4+ is at the upper level for them but at least it's not outside their > upper level. As you see, many reputable sources advise adding some salt to > tanks with livebearers since they generally prefer harder water (higher GH > levels of 10-30dH with a preference of 20dH) and the salt will help > make the > water harder. For simplicity, 1dH = 17.8ppm or I just round it up to 18ppm > so they like 180ppm to 480ppm of GH with a preference of 360ppm... so your > GH is on the low end at only 25ppm.. but DON'T change anything yet. > > Read through this and give us more info and your 24 hour and 48 hour tap > water baseline tests and if you can get a better test kit, those numbers > would be even better. Let us know if you might have rocks or something > that > is leaching KH and GH into your tank. > > Keep doing your weekly 20-25% PWC's and since you do have such extreme > levels, doing even more than weekly would be even better.. for example, > doing 10% a couple of times a week instead of just once weekly 20% > PWC. The > reason for this is to keep the tank even more stabile so the pH, GH and KH > stays closer to the same levels between each PWC so the PWC does not > change > the pH, GH or KH very much each time you do one. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of cherrystix81 > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) > > ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and > one from > the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next week......and > hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to maintain my tank in > a way > that I can keep fish alive. > so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one guppy, 2 > long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost within three > weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 sucky fish...they > kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i have a 25 gal. > tank and > a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was doing a 10% water change every > week but then thought that might be why my sucky fish dyed so i went to > every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think i may have been overfeeding.....oh > boy what > to do what to do....anyway here r the first day results: > tap: tank: > pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 > No2. 0 No2. 0 > GH. 0 GH. 25 > KH. 300 KH. above 300 > No3. 0 No3. 40 > this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick dip 5 > tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) > really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37562	From: Gail	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

So, I guess if I did get a snail or two that became overpopulated... I could put them in the Cichlid tank so they can be Escargot? lol I wonder if Geophagus Surinamus' like snails? :D (yeah after getting what I thought was a Red head geo tapajo - I truly have a Geo Suri.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37563	From: Debra	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

My algae eaters and red tailed shark also like sliced papaya. I slice it up, wrap each slice in plastic wrap and freeze it. It needs to be weighted down before you toss it in. Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:01:40 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37564	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits - Jimmy

That is correct. I find the results to be very consistent with the API liquid test. BTW you can purchase replacement packets with 30 test in them. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: I think the Kordon does 10 tests of each parameter (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.).. but it still ends up being around $1.00 per test so it a lot more expensive than either API or Tetratest-laborette kits... which gets dozens of each test (4 to 6 parameters) and the kits sell for under $20.00. Replacement packets of the chemicals for the Kordon kit are a little less. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Better test kits - Jimmy When you say 10 tests, do you mean 10 different types of tests or 10 tests and you have to go buy another kit? I sure hope it's the former and not the latter. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy McHaney" <mchaneyjm@...> I have one of the Kordon Aquatru Freshwater Master Kits. It uses dry reagents that have expiration dates and a unique type of vial. It cost about $60 for 10 test. It is suppost to be very accurate. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:29 AM, "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> wrote: Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom flow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37565	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

It’s weird too, my carnivore cichlids ignore the snails, and my herbivore cichlids are vicious. I’m watching a flock of one inch fry toss around a ¼” snail. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? So, I guess if I did get a snail or two that became overpopulated... I could put them in the Cichlid tank so they can be Escargot? lol I wonder if Geophagus Surinamus' like snails? :D (yeah after getting what I thought was a Red head geo tapajo - I truly have a Geo Suri.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37566	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I guess them carnivorous cichlids are just like men... real men eat steak (UG! UG!)... not Escargot (said with French accent and a limp wrist). LOL Do vegans eat escargot and sushi... or do they just viciously brutalize fruits and veggies like PeTA? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? It’s weird too, my carnivore cichlids ignore the snails, and my herbivore cichlids are vicious. I’m watching a flock of one inch fry toss around a ¼” snail. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank? So, I guess if I did get a snail or two that became overpopulated... I could put them in the Cichlid tank so they can be Escargot? lol I wonder if Geophagus Surinamus' like snails? :D (yeah after getting what I thought was a Red head geo tapajo - I truly have a Geo Suri.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37567	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pros & cons of having Snails in your tank?

I turned vicious and started squishing the poor baby snails. If still stuck to the glass the rasboras and the betta happily make snacks of them. If they fall to the gravel, they follow it and then look at me like "yeah, right... 5 second rule my fins! That's dirty! YOU eat it. Now gimme some real food." Blech. And I think Kenny's (my lone betta) pet watched me smoosh them. Oh no! (Kenny's pet is a large gold mystery snail). Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37568	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - all water readings

I am very concerned about your ammonia reading in your tap water. I would not expect to see it that high in tap water. You will need to use Ultimate or Prime, which you say you now have, and add the proper amount to the tank prior to adding your tap water to the tank to convert the ammonia to a less harmful compound then your bacteria can deal with it at their leisure, and your fish will not suffer from the high ammonia. You have not mentioned what you are using to test your water with. Again, please check the expiration date on the reagents, if it is not test strips. If it is test strips, check for the expiration date. As Lenny mentioned, the test strips can be highly unreliable especially one they have been exposed to light and moisture. According to the KC water department, the report for 2007 (latest available on their web site) lists the ammonia range as 0.080-0.840 ppm. After reading that, the 3 ppm you are getting for your ammonia reading has me pretty concerned. Going over the reports from earlier years, they go back to '04, shows a wide range, but nothing like your readings. I'll second what Lenny has said about calling them and finding out what is going on, once you have determined that your testing is proper. There definitely seems to be something off kilter. Also, be aware that there are two types of tests for ammonia. When you are using a water conditioner to neutralize ammonia, you need to ensure that you are using the correct type for accurate readings. Ultimate requires the use of a salicylate kit rather than the more common Nessler kit. Prime does not specify the use of a salicylate kit. I'd post a not to Seachem to ensure that a Nessler kit can be used to measure ammonia accurately when using Prime. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marilyn barnett > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - all water readings > > 1st tank reading was: > Ammonia - between .25 & .5 > Nitrate - 200+ > Nitrite - between 0 & 5 > GH - 300+ > KH - 40 > pH - 6.8 > > 2nd tank reading was: > Ammonia - between 0 & .25 > Nitrate - 200+ > Nitrite - between .5 & 1 > GH - 300+ > KH - between 0-40 > pH - 6.8 > > tank reading this morning: > Ammonia - between 0 & .25 (closer to 0) > Nitrate 200+ > Nitrite between 0 & .5 > GH - 300 > KH - between 0 & 40 (about in the middle) > pH - 6.8 > > > 1st tap reading: > Ammonia - between 0 & .25 > Nitrate - 20 > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 > GH - 75 > KH - 80 > pH - 8.4 > > 24 hr tap reading: > Ammonia - between .5 & 3 (closer to 3) > Nitrate - between 20 > Nitrite - between 0 & .5 > GH - 150 > KH - between 40 & 80 > pH - 7.8 > > 48 hr tap reading: > Ammonia - 3.0 > Nitrate - between 0 & 20 (almost 20) > Nitrite - 0 > GH - 150 > KH - between 40 & 80 (almost 80) > pH - 7.8 > > I did find a bottle of PRIME and did a 5% water change last night using that to treat the new > water. > > I also got some aquarium salt and put 5 small pinches in (55 gal tank). > > Fish seem to be doing better - platies were trying to mate this morning. > > Please let me know what's next as far as getting this fixed. > > Thanks so much in advance! > Marilyn > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37569	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gold Shark

I'm pretty sure that if you use a program called Photoshop, you would be able to find one, if you look hard enough <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Gail > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Gold Shark > > LOl where can I get one? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37570	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: How many can I fit?

I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder tank? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37571	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Thanks for the advice on feeding the zucchini. I blanched the slices and put the metal band from one of the live plants I'd bought on it and sunk her down... Now everyone is very interested but the betta is displaying over it and driving everyone crazy. He's not eating it but he has staked claim to it. Oto is inching ever so closer hoping the gravel will disquise him... comes up on it when the betta is off charging someone else and then the betta chases poor oto. I'm NOT impressed with Meringue right now (the betta). I even offered to make a gift of him to my college son. ha If they don't settle down, I'll just add piece #2. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37572	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

A 40G Breeder has a 36" x 18" footprint which is good. Were you planning on a species only tank? Were you planning on breeding and keeping multiple generations... what they call a "Colony Tank" instead of a community tank? Are you planning on it being a planted tank or not? I guess a short answer would be around 10 since Emerald Corydoras (Brochis splendens) grow to around 3" although some report up to 5" for females so if you are going to have a mix of them, 10 would be a good start. Now... if you are planning on breeding them, culling/selling off most of each batch of fry and some of the adults and having a colony tank, after your first sell-off, you might have six adults and 10 juvis. Then after they breed again, do another sell-off of some of the adults, some of the 2nd generation and most of the third generation. Keep doing this and you will still keep maybe 12-20 fish of varying sizes, maybe 4-6 of each generation... the number would be based on the size of the fish and how the overall ecology of the tank is doing based on your maintenance schedule. Here's an article on breeding them... http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=97 These fish should live for well over five years with 10+ years being seen also. Here are some good profiles/care sheets on them. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brochis_splendens.html http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/catfish/emeraldcat.html http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 279 http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=114 There might be a pop quiz tomorrow! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:03 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder tank? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

Oops.. forgot these two ScotCat.com links. One on a care sheet and one on breeding. http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/brochis_splendens.htm http://www.scotcat.com/articles/article17.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:03 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder tank? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0220 09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37574	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37575	From: Matthew O' Farrell	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > What type of fry are they? > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37576	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

They will be in a tank with a few other fish. I have a betta and I was thinking of a few (about 8) livebearers...maybe swordtails or mollys depending on how they get along. I have a ton of platinum mollys now. I have 14 corys...so you think 8-10 could be ok? I don't plan on breeding or keeping a colony tank. Thanks Lenny www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37577	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Guppies -----Original Message----- From: Matthew O' Farrell <mattyobones@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:07 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > What type of fry are they? > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37578	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how many of each? In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to keep them from getting sucked in. Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37579	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I still do PWC's with my guppy fry, but I hold my hand over the intake so I don't accidentally suck any of them up, then I slowly pour the water back in so I don't hurt any of them. I'm not sure how long till you can know the sex as I am still waiting to find out sexes on mine and they're about 2 months old approximately, maybe a little less. I feed them twice a day, not sure if I should feed them more than that or not, someone out there might be able to answer that better than me. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > Guppies > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew O' Farrell <mattyobones@... > <mailto:mattyobones%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:07 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > What type of fry are they? > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > they get bigger? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37580	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

Well... you have to consider all of the fish that are going to be in a tank to determine the bioload and what the tank can handle. If you add the Betta and eight livebearers.. which will soon become 28 livebearers... then you can't have 8-10 Emerald Corydoras also... in fact, you should probably plan on keeping the livebearers in check by keeping only males. At least, this way, you could better plan your stocking options. Now, if you have multiple tanks and room for fry in the other tanks, then you could let the livebearers go wild... but if you have limited tank space and want to fully stock the tank from the start, then you need to watch what you put in a tank. You say you have 14 corys now... are these all Emerald Corydoras? Or different species? Are these all in the same tank as the "ton of platinum mollys" and the Betta? If you have more than one tank, break down what you have in each tank. If you only have the 40G Breeder, then you are already overstocked with the 14 corys and "ton of mollys" and you need to start thinking about other options such as rehoming some of the fish or getting more tanks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:34 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? They will be in a tank with a few other fish. I have a betta and I was thinking of a few (about 8) livebearers...maybe swordtails or mollys depending on how they get along. I have a ton of platinum mollys now. I have 14 corys...so you think 8-10 could be ok? I don't plan on breeding or keeping a colony tank. Thanks Lenny www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37581	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

guppy, 10 gallon tank -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how many of each? In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to keep them from getting sucked in. Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti ll they get bigger? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37582	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Guppies in a 10G will quickly become a problem for the ecology of the tank. My advice for a 10G tank is to ONLY have male guppies so you can control the bioload. Six guppies fully stock a 10G tank so I don't know how you will be able to grow out very many of the fry. It would probably be best to let nature take its course and the adults should eat most of the fry and any survivors will likely be the strongest and smartest of the fry but if you have more than six adults in the tank, you will have to increase the frequency of the PWC's, filter and tank maintenance to compensate for the extra bioload. If you have six adults and 10 fry, you should probably be doing daily PWC's.. or at least every other day to give the fry a chance to not be stunted... and work on getting more tanks. Check FreeCycle.org and the free listings on Craigslist.org for people giving away free tanks. Then there is always WalMart that sells a new 10G tank for $10.00 or the kit with the filter and lighting for around $35.00 or so... last time I checked. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. guppy, 10 gallon tank -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how many of each? In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to keep them from getting sucked in. Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti ll they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37583	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

Right now the 14 Brochis splendens (emerald corys) are in a 100 gallon tank with some of the mollys some mollys are in a 30g corner tank and a couple are in the 40g breeder. I also have 10 swordtail fry in the 30g. I plan to rehome alot of them. I don't plan on letting the mollys or swordtails go crazy. I was thinking 1 betta and 4 mollys 4 swordtails and rehoming fry that survive. I also have a 20g and a 10 g quarantine and possibly another 10g. I don't have to have all 14 corys in one tank I was just wondering how many would be comfortable in that set up? Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: GoldLenny@... > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:45:04 -0600 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > > Well... you have to consider all of the fish that are going to be in a tank > to determine the bioload and what the tank can handle. If you add the Betta > and eight livebearers.. which will soon become 28 livebearers... then you > can't have 8-10 Emerald Corydoras also... in fact, you should probably plan > on keeping the livebearers in check by keeping only males. At least, this > way, you could better plan your stocking options. > > Now, if you have multiple tanks and room for fry in the other tanks, then > you could let the livebearers go wild... but if you have limited tank space > and want to fully stock the tank from the start, then you need to watch what > you put in a tank. > > You say you have 14 corys now... are these all Emerald Corydoras? Or > different species? Are these all in the same tank as the "ton of platinum > mollys" and the Betta? > > If you have more than one tank, break down what you have in each tank. If > you only have the 40G Breeder, then you are already overstocked with the 14 > corys and "ton of mollys" and you need to start thinking about other options > such as rehoming some of the fish or getting more tanks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christy Sylvest > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > > > They will be in a tank with a few other fish. I have a betta and I was > thinking of a few (about 8) livebearers...maybe swordtails or mollys > depending on how they get along. I have a ton of platinum mollys now. I > have 14 corys...so you think 8-10 could be ok? I don't plan on breeding or > keeping a colony tank. > Thanks Lenny > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." > -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37584	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

Oh OK. I have an article on a simple set of guidelines to help guide stocking a tank. It's called "New Rules/Guidelines To Replace The One Gallon Per Inch Fish-killing Rule". http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html Using these simple rules/guidelines will help you to stock each tank properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christy Sylvest Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:52 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? Right now the 14 Brochis splendens (emerald corys) are in a 100 gallon tank with some of the mollys some mollys are in a 30g corner tank and a couple are in the 40g breeder. I also have 10 swordtail fry in the 30g. I plan to rehome alot of them. I don't plan on letting the mollys or swordtails go crazy. I was thinking 1 betta and 4 mollys 4 swordtails and rehoming fry that survive. I also have a 20g and a 10 g quarantine and possibly another 10g. I don't have to have all 14 corys in one tank I was just wondering how many would be comfortable in that set up? Thanks www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: GoldLenny@... > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:45:04 -0600 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > > Well... you have to consider all of the fish that are going to be in a tank > to determine the bioload and what the tank can handle. If you add the Betta > and eight livebearers.. which will soon become 28 livebearers... then you > can't have 8-10 Emerald Corydoras also... in fact, you should probably plan > on keeping the livebearers in check by keeping only males. At least, this > way, you could better plan your stocking options. > > Now, if you have multiple tanks and room for fry in the other tanks, then > you could let the livebearers go wild... but if you have limited tank space > and want to fully stock the tank from the start, then you need to watch what > you put in a tank. > > You say you have 14 corys now... are these all Emerald Corydoras? Or > different species? Are these all in the same tank as the "ton of platinum > mollys" and the Betta? > > If you have more than one tank, break down what you have in each tank. If > you only have the 40G Breeder, then you are already overstocked with the 14 > corys and "ton of mollys" and you need to start thinking about other options > such as rehoming some of the fish or getting more tanks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christy Sylvest > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > > > They will be in a tank with a few other fish. I have a betta and I was > thinking of a few (about 8) livebearers...maybe swordtails or mollys > depending on how they get along. I have a ton of platinum mollys now. I > have 14 corys...so you think 8-10 could be ok? I don't plan on breeding or > keeping a colony tank. > Thanks Lenny > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." > -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37585	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I have only fry in my 10 gallon tank, as I just put a pregnant female in there until she had babies, then took her back out. It's hard to count them, but I think I have about 10-12 fry in there, she might have eaten a few before I scooped her back out again ;) How often should PWC's be done in this instance? I've been doing weekly PWC's so far, didn't think I would need to do more. I have a 2nd 10 gallon tank that I could put water in (the filter is already cycled on the big tank, it's my Q tank but if I should separate my fry I could do that temporarily). I don't plan on keeping any more babies, I just wanted a bigger school without buying more from the LFS ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Guppies in a 10G will quickly become a problem for the ecology of the > tank. > My advice for a 10G tank is to ONLY have male guppies so you can > control the > bioload. > > Six guppies fully stock a 10G tank so I don't know how you will be able to > grow out very many of the fry. It would probably be best to let nature > take > its course and the adults should eat most of the fry and any survivors > will > likely be the strongest and smartest of the fry but if you have more than > six adults in the tank, you will have to increase the frequency of the > PWC's, filter and tank maintenance to compensate for the extra bioload. > > If you have six adults and 10 fry, you should probably be doing daily > PWC's.. or at least every other day to give the fry a chance to not be > stunted... and work on getting more tanks. Check FreeCycle.org and the > free > listings on Craigslist.org for people giving away free tanks. Then > there is > always WalMart that sells a new 10G tank for $10.00 or the kit with the > filter and lighting for around $35.00 or so... last time I checked. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > guppy, 10 gallon tank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how > many of each? > > In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a day, > small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's also > need > to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by > removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not get > stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to keep > them from getting sucked in. > > Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question > though. > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > have the > one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how > soon can > sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti > ll they get bigger? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37586	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I got my 10g deluxe at Meijers like 2 wks ago. $49.99 I checked Walmart, too. Pretty much the same price. Warning... mine did not come with a heater so be sure you know what comes in your 'kit'. I had to make special trip back to town for the silly heater. oops! ($14) Goodwill has tanks often, too. They sell fast so if you see a good deal, grab it. Salvation Army stores sometimes have them as do Habitat for Humanity stores. (not as often but worth checking) Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37587	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

10-12 fry in a 10G by themselves.. meaning no adults affecting the bioload.. will be very little bioload on the tank and weekly PWC's will probably be OK but as the fry get bigger, you may want to increase it to twice weekly to help them avoid being stunted. If you had adults like the OP does, they will constantly put out the hormones that cause stunting and they will also eat most of the food so the fry will get less.. another cause of stunting. In your case, you have very little bioload and nothing to stop the fry from getting enough food so you should be OK. Something I recently read talked about... if you see one fry bullying the others or keeping others from eating, sometimes it's good to cull that fry so the others will have a better or more fair chance at survival.. if you want the most survivors. Sometimes one of these really aggressive fry will even turn cannibalistic to try and insure it's own survival. If you just want one very strong fry, then leave it be but then the others will either be severely stunted or die off or be killed off. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. I have only fry in my 10 gallon tank, as I just put a pregnant female in there until she had babies, then took her back out. It's hard to count them, but I think I have about 10-12 fry in there, she might have eaten a few before I scooped her back out again ;) How often should PWC's be done in this instance? I've been doing weekly PWC's so far, didn't think I would need to do more. I have a 2nd 10 gallon tank that I could put water in (the filter is already cycled on the big tank, it's my Q tank but if I should separate my fry I could do that temporarily). I don't plan on keeping any more babies, I just wanted a bigger school without buying more from the LFS ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Guppies in a 10G will quickly become a problem for the ecology of the > tank. > My advice for a 10G tank is to ONLY have male guppies so you can > control the bioload. > > Six guppies fully stock a 10G tank so I don't know how you will be > able to grow out very many of the fry. It would probably be best to > let nature take its course and the adults should eat most of the fry > and any survivors will likely be the strongest and smartest of the fry > but if you have more than six adults in the tank, you will have to > increase the frequency of the PWC's, filter and tank maintenance to > compensate for the extra bioload. > > If you have six adults and 10 fry, you should probably be doing daily > PWC's.. or at least every other day to give the fry a chance to not be > stunted... and work on getting more tanks. Check FreeCycle.org and the > free listings on Craigslist.org for people giving away free tanks. > Then there is always WalMart that sells a new 10G tank for $10.00 or > the kit with the filter and lighting for around $35.00 or so... last > time I checked. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > guppy, 10 gallon tank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how > many of each? > > In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a > day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's > also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by > removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not > get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to > keep them from getting sucked in. > > Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti ll > they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Wow... $50.00? Did it come with incandescent or fluorescent lighting? The 10G kits I saw a while back had the incandescent lighting.. which is also why they don't come with heaters.. although the lighting only helps heat up the tank when they are on so it's not the best thing to do and actually a bad thing to do. If they've switched to fluorescent lighting, then I guess the higher price is warranted. Good idea on second-hand stores! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. I got my 10g deluxe at Meijers like 2 wks ago. $49.99 I checked Walmart, too. Pretty much the same price. Warning... mine did not come with a heater so be sure you know what comes in your 'kit'. I had to make special trip back to town for the silly heater. oops! ($14) Goodwill has tanks often, too. They sell fast so if you see a good deal, grab it. Salvation Army stores sometimes have them as do Habitat for Humanity stores. (not as often but worth checking) Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37589	From: kattie scroggin	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

ok so day 2 and i am only giving the tap water test.....i didnt know strips were that inaccurate. i got them at walmart for like 6 dollars....i was looking for test kits, but they are sooo expensive around here....now to answer ur quistions no i havent had a pwc yet i was going to today.....i was adding a 2 teaspoons of aquarium salt with a pwc....all i add with my pwc is aquasafe.....and i am using a natural color gravel/pebbles...and i have some glass starfish....also a plastic boat, fake coral, fake plants and a shark decoration and my water comes from a well......now the test result today.pH.8.4 No2.0 GH.0 KH.300 Nitrite 0 --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:03 PM OK. The main thing we need is your tap water baseline so using that same cup of water, re-test it at 24 hours and then at 48 hours. In case you haven't seen other posts... when you run out of the dip sticks, don't buy more of them. Get a "real" test kit instead. For the price of 50 of the dip sticks, you can get a good master test kit that will last you a year and will give you more reliable test results. Do you have a separate ammonia test strip? I know with most of the dip sticks, the ammonia is a separate stick.. at least the last time I had some many years ago. More than likely, your ammonia is 0.0ppm since you are showing 0.0 for nitrites and your nitrates have gone up from 0.0 to 40ppm. Did you test the tank water before or after your last PWC? If after, then you need to bump up your PWC schedule to 20-25% per week. Even if your nitrates weren't 40ppm, it's still good to do weekly PWC's just so the water stays more stabile between PWC's and the fish get a constant supply of fresh water. At first glance, it seems you could have something in your tank that is leaching hardness into the water... both GH and KH. Are you adding salt to the tank.. or any other additives besides a basic dechlor product? What kind of substrate/gravel do you have? Do you have any decorative rocks in the tank? What other decorations or filter additives do you have? If you only have the basic stuff that comes with an Aqua Clear, then you are OK but I want to make sure you haven't added or removed anything. Since you have such a high KH level, Your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests will tell us more about whether the pH, GH and KH are rising from the tap or if it's happening after the water is in your tank. If your tap water baseline stays where it's at, then you will need to be more selective in which fish you keep since you have such a high pH and KH. Your GH of 25ppm equates to around 1.4 dH for GH so you have a motley crew of water parameters. More than likely, your water comes from a water source that flows through lots of limestone before getting to you or your utility. Check out the fish profiles/care sheets on http://fish. Mongabay. com for each of your fish to see what their preferred water parameters are and what the high/low are.. mainly the high in your case... or do what I do and just type the common name and Mongabay into Google and it will almost always find the profile in the top 1 or 2 hits. Livebearers (such as guppies, platies, mollies) should be OK with your water but many of the other fish you have tried are likely soft water, low pH type fish so your water was just too much for them and caused osmotic stress issues for them. I guess a simple analogy would be like you moving to Antarctica or the Sahara Desert. You may do OK for a while in those extreme temperatures but if you don't have a shelter, clothing, etc., to bring things back to "normal" for you, eventually those extremes would kill you. Unfortunately, for the fish, there is no where for them to seek shelter from the extreme water conditions so those conditions eventually catch up with the weaker fish first and eventually even the strongest fish succumb. Here are the profiles on the Zebra Danio's and Guppies, with a snip of the Water Chemistry sections from each profile... http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html - Zebra Danio Water chemistry: pH 6-8 (7.0), 2-20 dH (8), 64-75°F (18-24°C) What this means is that they do OK in a pH of 6 - 8 but prefer 7.0 so your 8.4+ pH is at the upper extreme range of what they prefer. You'll also see they are cold water fish although most pet stores and LFS sell them as tropical fish and they are hardy little guys so they do OK at tropical temps but do better in cooler waters. Between the warmer waters, higher pH, etc., even these hardy little guys may not be able to survive. http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Poecilia_ reticulata. html - Guppies Water chemistry: pH 7-8.5 (7.0), 10-30 dH (20), 64-84°F (18-29°C). A 0.5 to 2% addition of salt is recommended. This can be accomplished by adding 4-15 TSP. of salt to every 10 gallons of water (5-20 g/10 l). What this means is that the guppies do OK with a pH of 7 to 8.5 so even your 8.4+ is at the upper level for them but at least it's not outside their upper level. As you see, many reputable sources advise adding some salt to tanks with livebearers since they generally prefer harder water (higher GH levels of 10-30dH with a preference of 20dH) and the salt will help make the water harder. For simplicity, 1dH = 17.8ppm or I just round it up to 18ppm so they like 180ppm to 480ppm of GH with a preference of 360ppm... so your GH is on the low end at only 25ppm.. but DON'T change anything yet. Read through this and give us more info and your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests and if you can get a better test kit, those numbers would be even better. Let us know if you might have rocks or something that is leaching KH and GH into your tank. Keep doing your weekly 20-25% PWC's and since you do have such extreme levels, doing even more than weekly would be even better.. for example, doing 10% a couple of times a week instead of just once weekly 20% PWC. The reason for this is to keep the tank even more stabile so the pH, GH and KH stays closer to the same levels between each PWC so the PWC does not change the pH, GH or KH very much each time you do one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of cherrystix81 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and one from the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next week......and hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to maintain my tank in a way that I can keep fish alive. so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one guppy, 2 long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost within three weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 sucky fish...they kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i have a 25 gal. tank and a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was doing a 10% water change every week but then thought that might be why my sucky fish dyed so i went to every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think i may have been overfeeding. ....oh boy what to do what to do....anyway here r the first day results: tap: tank: pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 No2. 0 No2. 0 GH. 0 GH. 25 KH. 300 KH. above 300 No3. 0 No3. 40 this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick dip 5 tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change)

Was the bottle of dip sticks 25 or 50 count? If only 25, then two bottles would be $12.00 and the ammonia dip sticks are sold separately so that's where I said 50 of them costs more than what a master test kit runs but the master test kit lasts much, much longer than the 50 dip sticks, so in the long run the master test kit is a much, much better bargain. I didn't see the Jungle Dip Sticks on the Walmart.com site so I'm not sure if they were the 25 or 50 ct bottle. I looked at the Jungle Brand test strips on PetsMart's site (dang.. their prices just keep going up and up - $13.99 for 25 strips) and it says it only has 25 test strips so if you are only getting 25 strips for $6.00 and you should have the separate ammonia strips for another $6.00, then you can see where the master test kits start to be a much better bargain. Here's the API Master Test Kit for only $17.64 with free shipping to your local WalMart store. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635493 The API kit has tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH (high and low). API sells a separate GH/KH combo test kit at PetsMart... but you already know you have hard water Here's the TetraTest-Laborette Test Kit for only $15.88, once again with free shipping. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 The T-L kit has tests for ammonia, nitrite, pH (high and low), KH (Carbonate Hardness) and GH (General Hardness) and a CO2 chart converter (which can also be found for free online) but NOT for Nitrates. API sells a separate Nitrate test kit at PetsMart. The API kit has larger bottles of reagent drops so it will definitely last a year, even with multiple tanks. The only thing I've ever run out of was the nitrate solutions and even that was well after a year of testing multiple tanks. The T-L kit has smaller bottles but does six tests instead of four and with one or two tanks, it should last at least a year with weekly testing. Usually after several months... and/or once your fish have reached adult size, you will "learn" your tanks enough so that you don't have to do weekly testing and the kits will probably expire before you finish using them up. The only time I really do a full battery of tests on mine now is if a fish isn't acting right or I'm getting more algae than normal or if the plants aren't acting right or some other change in the tank(s). I probably check the GH, KH, pH and nitrates about once a month on each just to make sure things are where I know they should be. When you run out of "aquarium salt" save yourself some money and just get plain salt (no additives) or kosher salt (is supposed to be guaranteed to not have any additives) at the grocery store. It's the same thing and much, much cheaper than the stuff they call "aquarium salt" at the pet stores. When you say "2 teaspoons.. with a PWC", is that when you are removing 2 gallons with a 20% PWC? It's better to add a certain amount of salt per gallon and maintain that level so you don't just want to add 2 teaspoons regardless of the amount of water you remove. Do you know what level of salt you are trying to keep your tank at? For simplicity, a teaspoon of salt per gallon would equal 0.1%. Each additional teaspoon per gallon would raise it by 0.1% so two teaspoons per gallon would be 0.2%, etc. Salt does not evaporate so before you do a PWC, you should top off the tank with plain tap water first, then remove the 2 gallons (for a 20% PWC) and then you would add the salt to the replacement water and mix it before adding that water back to the tank. If you are not topping off the tank to replace any evaporated water first, then over time, the salinity level will rise to levels that might be too much for some of your fish. Where did you get the natural colored gravel? 99.9% of the time, this gravel will be inert but there have been instances where someone will get gravel that has a lot of limestone or other leaching rocks mixed in with it.. but the slight differences in your pH and KH test results could just be from the dip sticks too. Other than the gravel, I don't see anything else as far as decorations that would be causing your KH levels to increase in the tank over the tap water levels... but since you are starting with such a high KH level any small increase from the gravel will not really affect things that much. The increase of the GH in the tank is likely due to the salt you are adding to the tank. Since your water comes from a well, you probably do not need the water treatment unless your local county agent says that the well water might contain some heavy metals so at least the AquaSafe would treat for heavy metals. If you have a PetsMart nearby, the 8 oz. TopFin Tap Water dechlorinator is a much better bargain than the Tetra AquaSafe product. It's more concentrated so you only need 1ml per 10G or only a few drops per gallon. Just trying to save you some money.. and we all should do that! ;-) I'm guessing you made a little typo on your most recent test results that you posted since you had NO2- (which is nitrite) as 0.0 and then ended with "Nitrite 0" so I'm thinking that was supposed to be Nitrate 0.0? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kattie scroggin Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) ok so day 2 and i am only giving the tap water test.....i didnt know strips were that inaccurate. i got them at walmart for like 6 dollars....i was looking for test kits, but they are sooo expensive around here....now to answer ur quistions no i havent had a pwc yet i was going to today.....i was adding a 2 teaspoons of aquarium salt with a pwc....all i add with my pwc is aquasafe.....and i am using a natural color gravel/pebbles...and i have some glass starfish....also a plastic boat, fake coral, fake plants and a shark decoration and my water comes from a well......now the test result today.pH.8.4 No2.0 GH.0 KH.300 Nitrite 0 --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:03 PM OK. The main thing we need is your tap water baseline so using that same cup of water, re-test it at 24 hours and then at 48 hours. In case you haven't seen other posts... when you run out of the dip sticks, don't buy more of them. Get a "real" test kit instead. For the price of 50 of the dip sticks, you can get a good master test kit that will last you a year and will give you more reliable test results. Do you have a separate ammonia test strip? I know with most of the dip sticks, the ammonia is a separate stick.. at least the last time I had some many years ago. More than likely, your ammonia is 0.0ppm since you are showing 0.0 for nitrites and your nitrates have gone up from 0.0 to 40ppm. Did you test the tank water before or after your last PWC? If after, then you need to bump up your PWC schedule to 20-25% per week. Even if your nitrates weren't 40ppm, it's still good to do weekly PWC's just so the water stays more stabile between PWC's and the fish get a constant supply of fresh water. At first glance, it seems you could have something in your tank that is leaching hardness into the water... both GH and KH. Are you adding salt to the tank.. or any other additives besides a basic dechlor product? What kind of substrate/gravel do you have? Do you have any decorative rocks in the tank? What other decorations or filter additives do you have? If you only have the basic stuff that comes with an Aqua Clear, then you are OK but I want to make sure you haven't added or removed anything. Since you have such a high KH level, Your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests will tell us more about whether the pH, GH and KH are rising from the tap or if it's happening after the water is in your tank. If your tap water baseline stays where it's at, then you will need to be more selective in which fish you keep since you have such a high pH and KH. Your GH of 25ppm equates to around 1.4 dH for GH so you have a motley crew of water parameters. More than likely, your water comes from a water source that flows through lots of limestone before getting to you or your utility. Check out the fish profiles/care sheets on http://fish. Mongabay. com for each of your fish to see what their preferred water parameters are and what the high/low are.. mainly the high in your case... or do what I do and just type the common name and Mongabay into Google and it will almost always find the profile in the top 1 or 2 hits. Livebearers (such as guppies, platies, mollies) should be OK with your water but many of the other fish you have tried are likely soft water, low pH type fish so your water was just too much for them and caused osmotic stress issues for them. I guess a simple analogy would be like you moving to Antarctica or the Sahara Desert. You may do OK for a while in those extreme temperatures but if you don't have a shelter, clothing, etc., to bring things back to "normal" for you, eventually those extremes would kill you. Unfortunately, for the fish, there is no where for them to seek shelter from the extreme water conditions so those conditions eventually catch up with the weaker fish first and eventually even the strongest fish succumb. Here are the profiles on the Zebra Danio's and Guppies, with a snip of the Water Chemistry sections from each profile... http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Brachydanio_ rerio.html - Zebra Danio Water chemistry: pH 6-8 (7.0), 2-20 dH (8), 64-75°F (18-24°C) What this means is that they do OK in a pH of 6 - 8 but prefer 7.0 so your 8.4+ pH is at the upper extreme range of what they prefer. You'll also see they are cold water fish although most pet stores and LFS sell them as tropical fish and they are hardy little guys so they do OK at tropical temps but do better in cooler waters. Between the warmer waters, higher pH, etc., even these hardy little guys may not be able to survive. http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Poecilia_ reticulata. html - Guppies Water chemistry: pH 7-8.5 (7.0), 10-30 dH (20), 64-84°F (18-29°C). A 0.05% to 0.2% addition of salt is recommended. This can be accomplished by adding 4-15 TSP. of salt to every 10 gallons of water (5-20 g/10 l). What this means is that the guppies do OK with a pH of 7 to 8.5 so even your 8.4+ is at the upper level for them but at least it's not outside their upper level. As you see, many reputable sources advise adding some salt to tanks with livebearers since they generally prefer harder water (higher GH levels of 10-30dH with a preference of 20dH) and the salt will help make the water harder. For simplicity, 1dH = 17.8ppm or I just round it up to 18ppm so they like 180ppm to 480ppm of GH with a preference of 360ppm... so your GH is on the low end at only 25ppm.. but DON'T change anything yet. Read through this and give us more info and your 24 hour and 48 hour tap water baseline tests and if you can get a better test kit, those numbers would be even better. Let us know if you might have rocks or something that is leaching KH and GH into your tank. Keep doing your weekly 20-25% PWC's and since you do have such extreme levels, doing even more than weekly would be even better.. for example, doing 10% a couple of times a week instead of just once weekly 20% PWC. The reason for this is to keep the tank even more stabile so the pH, GH and KH stays closer to the same levels between each PWC so the PWC does not change the pH, GH or KH very much each time you do one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of cherrystix81 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kate's pH issues (was Re: Moving and water change) ok so i took ur advise and i have 2 cups of water. one from tap and one from the freshwater tank. i will post everyday or the next week......and hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do to maintain my tank in a way that I can keep fish alive. so, first things first. the fish i have alive right now are one guppy, 2 long tail zbra danio's, and 2 long tail blue danio's. i lost within three weeks 1 zebra danio, 2 guppies, 1 blue danio, & also 2 sucky fish...they kinda looked like sharks but were algea eaters....i have a 25 gal. tank and a 30 gal aqua clear water filter.....i was doing a 10% water change every week but then thought that might be why my sucky fish dyed so i went to every 2weeks 20%wc. i even think i may have been overfeeding. ....oh boy what to do what to do....anyway here r the first day results: tap: tank: pH.8.4 pH. above 8.4 No2. 0 No2. 0 GH. 0 GH. 25 KH. 300 KH. above 300 No3. 0 No3. 40 this was tested with a test strip from Jungle products called Quick dip 5 tests in one....by the way thanx again for the help u guys:) really appreciate it>>>>>>>kate

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37591	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I plan on going to good will and salvation army and looking there I just have to wait till payday [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37592	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I got my kit from walmart and it was around 25 dollars (without my discount), it also doesn't come with a heater, and the bulb is an incandescent I believe. I got a little heater for the tank and it keeps it around 80 degrees for me, but my house is warm, works great for the guppy fry. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Wow... $50.00? Did it come with incandescent or fluorescent lighting? The > 10G kits I saw a while back had the incandescent lighting.. which is also > why they don't come with heaters.. although the lighting only helps > heat up > the tank when they are on so it's not the best thing to do and actually a > bad thing to do. If they've switched to fluorescent lighting, then I guess > the higher price is warranted. > > Good idea on second-hand stores! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > I got my 10g deluxe at Meijers like 2 wks ago. $49.99 I checked Walmart, > too. Pretty much the same price. > > Warning... mine did not come with a heater so be sure you know what > comes in > your 'kit'. I had to make special trip back to town for the silly heater. > oops! ($14) > > Goodwill has tanks often, too. They sell fast so if you see a good deal, > grab it. > Salvation Army stores sometimes have them as do Habitat for Humanity > stores. > (not as often but worth checking) > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > <http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor> > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37593	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Thanks Lenny. I do have a couple of fry that are bigger and about a week older than the other fry (survivors from another batch), they don't seem to bully the other fry, but they're definitely bigger and faster than the little ones, I will keep an eye out and make sure everyone is getting enough food. The tank is also planted, which helps the fry I'm sure. The tank seems pretty happy either way. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > 10-12 fry in a 10G by themselves.. meaning no adults affecting the > bioload.. > will be very little bioload on the tank and weekly PWC's will probably > be OK > but as the fry get bigger, you may want to increase it to twice weekly to > help them avoid being stunted. If you had adults like the OP does, they > will constantly put out the hormones that cause stunting and they will > also > eat most of the food so the fry will get less.. another cause of > stunting. > In your case, you have very little bioload and nothing to stop the fry > from > getting enough food so you should be OK. > > Something I recently read talked about... if you see one fry bullying the > others or keeping others from eating, sometimes it's good to cull that fry > so the others will have a better or more fair chance at survival.. if you > want the most survivors. Sometimes one of these really aggressive fry will > even turn cannibalistic to try and insure it's own survival. If you just > want one very strong fry, then leave it be but then the others will either > be severely stunted or die off or be killed off. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > I have only fry in my 10 gallon tank, as I just put a pregnant female in > there until she had babies, then took her back out. It's hard to count > them, > but I think I have about 10-12 fry in there, she might have eaten a few > before I scooped her back out again ;) How often should PWC's be done in > this instance? I've been doing weekly PWC's so far, didn't think I would > need to do more. I have a 2nd 10 gallon tank that I could put water in > (the > filter is already cycled on the big tank, it's my Q tank but if I should > separate my fry I could do that temporarily). I don't plan on keeping any > more babies, I just wanted a bigger school without buying more from > the LFS > ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Guppies in a 10G will quickly become a problem for the ecology of the > > tank. > > My advice for a 10G tank is to ONLY have male guppies so you can > > control the bioload. > > > > Six guppies fully stock a 10G tank so I don't know how you will be > > able to grow out very many of the fry. It would probably be best to > > let nature take its course and the adults should eat most of the fry > > and any survivors will likely be the strongest and smartest of the fry > > but if you have more than six adults in the tank, you will have to > > increase the frequency of the PWC's, filter and tank maintenance to > > compensate for the extra bioload. > > > > If you have six adults and 10 fry, you should probably be doing daily > > PWC's.. or at least every other day to give the fry a chance to not be > > stunted... and work on getting more tanks. Check FreeCycle.org and the > > free listings on Craigslist.org for people giving away free tanks. > > Then there is always WalMart that sells a new 10G tank for $10.00 or > > the kit with the filter and lighting for around $35.00 or so... last > > time I checked. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > guppy, 10 gallon tank > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how > > many of each? > > > > In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a > > day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's > > also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by > > removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not > > get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to > > keep them from getting sucked in. > > > > Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti ll > > they get bigger? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37594	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

The kit is what i am saving up for. shouldn't take long as i always take extra laundry money out and use that for my spending money. and i do plan on upping the pwc -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 4:07 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Guppies in a 10G will quickly become a problem for the ecology of the tank. My advice for a 10G tank is to ONLY have male guppies so you can control the bioload. Six guppies fully stock a 10G tank so I don't know how you will be able to grow out very many of the fry. It would probably be best to let nature take its course and the adults should eat most of the fry and any survivors will likely be the strongest and smartest of the fry but if you have more than six adults in the tank, you will have to increase the frequency of the PWC's, filter and tank maintenance to compensate for the extra bioload. If you have six adults and 10 fry, you should probably be doing daily PWC's.. or at least every other day to give the fry a chance to not be stunted... and work on getting more tanks. Check FreeCycle.org and the free listings on Craigslist.org for people giving away free tanks. Then there is always WalMart that sells a new 10G tank for $10.00 or the kit with the filter and lighting for around $35.00 or so... last time I checked.=2 0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. guppy, 10 gallon tank -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. What kind of fish fry? What size tank? What kind of other fish and how many of each? In general, fry, like human babies, need to be fed several times a day, small amounts but often... or their growth will be stunted. PWC's also need to be done frequently, even daily, to mimic a bigger tank by removing/diluting the pollution and hormone levels so the fry will not get stunted. Put a sponge or other diffuser over your filter intake to keep them from getting sucked in. Once you give us more info, more details can be provided. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ---- -Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's ti ll they get bigger? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37595	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Fancy schmancy

Walmart and their sharks, they got me thinking. By the way, I've also seen dead seahorses and other marine critters as ornaments in their craft section. I live in New Mexico, wild west and all that. Anyway, I know that in some restaurants they keep koi, feng shui stuff - odd number is lucky, and keep a black goldfish against burglary. I've noticed though that restaurants seem to be doing something just as bad in upscale joints. I noticed this on Hell's Kitchen and though bad, it evilly appropriate. I just saw it tonight in my area. An upscale bar and grill has a tank that can't be more than 200 or so gallons. In it, from what I could see, they had a lionfish, several tangs, one or two triggerfish, at least one dory and more crammed in there, right next to the grill part of the restaurant. All I could think of is, a couple thousand dollars worth offish in a few hundred gallons. It must be attractive when they pass on due to overstocking :(

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37596	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy

Sometimes... but most of the times, NOT, these display tanks which are overstocked might be plumbed so that they get a constant supply of fresh water with the polluted water going down a drain. This is more easy to do when it's a fresh water tank and the business has a freshwater well drilled supplying them with a limitless and thus low cost supply of water... or like in my area, where our utility supplied water is only around $10.00/mo. for each additional 2,000 gallons. I guess it could be done with a salt water tank also but it would probably be much more difficult to do to keep the chemistry right. The other thing they could have is an out-of-sight sump tank that doubles or more than doubles the actual water volume of the ecosystem. All we can do is hope and pray. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Kulp Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fancy schmancy Walmart and their sharks, they got me thinking. By the way, I've also seen dead seahorses and other marine critters as ornaments in their craft section. I live in New Mexico, wild west and all that. Anyway, I know that in some restaurants they keep koi, feng shui stuff - odd number is lucky, and keep a black goldfish against burglary. I've noticed though that restaurants seem to be doing something just as bad in upscale joints. I noticed this on Hell's Kitchen and though bad, it evilly appropriate. I just saw it tonight in my area. An upscale bar and grill has a tank that can't be more than 200 or so gallons. In it, from what I could see, they had a lionfish, several tangs, one or two triggerfish, at least one dory and more crammed in there, right next to the grill part of the restaurant. All I could think of is, a couple thousand dollars worth offish in a few hundred gallons. It must be attractive when they pass on due to overstocking :(

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37597	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Yes, it is fluorescent lighting. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37598	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy

In addition to what Lenny has mentioned, about the presence of a lot more water than you see, most of these tanks are maintained not by restaurant personnel, but a company that does such for a living. It is in their best interest to do the right thing for the fish, so they do not die with any amount of frequency, or they would be out of work. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Allison Kulp > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fancy schmancy > > Walmart and their sharks, they got me thinking. By the way, I've also > seen dead seahorses and other marine critters as ornaments in their > craft section. I live in New Mexico, wild west and all that. > Anyway, I know that in some restaurants they keep koi, feng shui stuff > - odd number is lucky, and keep a black goldfish against burglary. > I've noticed though that restaurants seem to be doing something just > as bad in upscale joints. I noticed this on Hell's Kitchen and though > bad, it evilly appropriate. I just saw it tonight in my area. > An upscale bar and grill has a tank that can't be more than 200 or so > gallons. In it, from what I could see, they had a lionfish, several > tangs, one or two triggerfish, at least one dory and more crammed in > there, right next to the grill part of the restaurant. All I could > think of is, a couple thousand dollars worth offish in a few hundred > gallons. It must be attractive when they pass on due to overstocking :( > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37599	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

10 to fifteen comfortably with other fish about 20 or more if a species tank. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:03 AM I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder tank? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37600	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

i would like to apologize for my previous answer, I answered the question without researching first, emerald cories are of the brochis genus and are a bit larger than corydoras, so with that being said i would only get about 10 but, you can get a few more if there aren't going to be anymore fish in the tank. Sorry for the unintelligent answer the first time. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:03 AM I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder tank? www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37601	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37602	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: National Marine Sanctuaries Media Library

Here is something I run across in my wanderings that may interest some people here. As many of you know, there are a number of National Marine Sanctuaries. This site presents media in the form of photos and video for your viewing pleasure. There are a number of ways to search the site to find what you may be looking for, or just to see what they have. You do need to have QuickTime to view the video and Java enabled to make best use of this site. When you roll over a photo, a brief description appears. When you click on the thumbnail a larger image is presented with more information about the photo--I just looked at fish, and it gave a name (unfortunately no scientific name), a description of the photo, and information about the photo. Visit https://marinelife.noaa.gov/media_lib/index.aspx and enjoy. Login is available to members of the National Marine Sanctuary Program, though I do not know what this will give you. Restrictions on the use of images is given, so you can make use of the images, if you follow the usage restrictions--each one I looked at just required attribution of the source of the photo, which means free for those editors out there of club publications. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37603	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

While the frequency in feedings depends a lot on your time and schedule, maximum growth rate for fry of most species is realized at five feedings per day. Lesser amounts of feedings will reduce their growth rate proportionately, even if 3 feedings per day will ensure a fair rate of growth. Any more than 5 feedings per day will not see a substantial increase in growth beyond this frequency, but can add to it although any additional gain will be more minimal. I might add, that a variety of different foods will help in providing better nutrition. Space (water volume) per fish is another consideration in this equation, and the number (& quantity) of PWC's per week. Since you're rearing these fry in the presence of the adults -- and you don't say how many adults there are (or what size tank) -- normally adequate weekly PWC's may not be enough, not only to keep organic waste products to a minimum but to remove the growth inhibiting pheromones that both the fry and the adults are releasing. I'd suggest maintaining a PWC regimen early on rather than waiting until they get bigger, as to hold off on this is to most possibly affect their growth from build-ups of these by-products. As this appears to probably be your first batch of Guppy's, you probably have about 25 to 35 fry (unless some got eaten). A well-planted tank will help in reducing predation of these fry, especially if you have a lot of floating plants which this species' fry will seek out as cover, therefore a good size tank is needed to raise them all to adulthood. With careful observation, the sex in Guppy's can be determined as early as between 3 and 4 weeks, as by that time you'll be able to see the start of the ovarium above the anal fin of the females, rather than waiting until the more distinctive external features of the sexes become obvious. The ovarium is sometimes referred to as the "gravid spot," but this is erroneous unless the fish has been impregnated (as "gravid" means pregnant). If you intend on selectively breeding these fish, it is recommended to separate the sexes at between 4 and 5 weeks to prevent wanton breeding shortly thereafter. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37604	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT import ant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37605	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

There are 3 adults and it is a 10 gal aquarium variety of different foods will help in providing better nutrition. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 9:11 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. While the frequency in feedings depends a lot on your time and schedule, maximum growth rate for fry of most species is realized at five feedings per day. Lesser amounts of feedings will reduce their growth rate proportionately, even if 3 feedings per day will ensure a fair rate of growth. Any more than 5 feedings per day will not see a substantial increase in growth beyond this frequency, but can add to it although any additional gain will be more minimal. I might add, that a variety of different foods will help in providing better nutrition. Space (water volume) per fish is another consideration in this equation, and the number (& quantity) of PWC's per week. Since you're rearing these fry in the presence of the adults -- and you don't say how many adults there are (or what size tank) -- normally adequate weekly PWC's may not be enough, not only to keep organic waste products to a minimum but to remove the growth inhibiting pheromones that both the fry and the adults are releasing. I'd suggest maintaining a PWC regimen early on rather than waiting until they20get bigger, as to hold off on this is to most possibly affect their growth from build-ups of these by-products. As this appears to probably be your first batch of Guppy's, you probably have about 25 to 35 fry (unless some got eaten). A well-planted tank will help in reducing predation of these fry, especially if you have a lot of floating plants which this species' fry will seek out as cover, therefore a good size tank is needed to raise them all to adulthood. With careful observation, the sex in Guppy's can be determined as early as between 3 and 4 weeks, as by that time you'll be able to see the start of the ovarium above the anal fin of the females, rather than waiting until the more distinctive external features of the sexes become obvious. The ovarium is sometimes referred to as the "gravid spot," but this is erroneous unless the fish has been impregnated (as "gravid" means pregnant). If you intend on selectively breeding these fish, it is recommended to separate the sexes at between 4 and 5 weeks to prevent wanton breeding shortly thereafter. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ----------------- ------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37606	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT import ant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37607	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

A piece of nylon stocking over the intake. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color. Any thoughts? Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com <toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com <toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT import ant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37608	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT import ant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.ÂB 8<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37609	From: eclampe	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fancy schmancy

I'm sure the tank was overstocked for the TV show (for effect). I was given free tickets to a wrestling match once. I guess even that didn't get enough people into the arena so they moved everybody to one side to make the place look full. Even on reality TV we're not seeing "reality." lol --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Allison Kulp" <cardassianfire@...> wrote: > > Walmart and their sharks, they got me thinking. By the way, I've also > seen dead seahorses and other marine critters as ornaments in their > craft section. I live in New Mexico, wild west and all that. > Anyway, I know that in some restaurants they keep koi, feng shui stuff > - odd number is lucky, and keep a black goldfish against burglary. > I've noticed though that restaurants seem to be doing something just > as bad in upscale joints. I noticed this on Hell's Kitchen and though > bad, it evilly appropriate. I just saw it tonight in my area. > An upscale bar and grill has a tank that can't be more than 200 or so > gallons. In it, from what I could see, they had a lionfish, several > tangs, one or two triggerfish, at least one dory and more crammed in > there, right next to the grill part of the restaurant. All I could > think of is, a couple thousand dollars worth offish in a few hundred > gallons. It must be attractive when they pass on due to overstocking : ( >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37610	From: Christy Sylvest	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: How many can I fit?

That's ok I got both answers about the same time and was pretty sure of about 8-10 just getting other opinions. Thanks fory the reply though. I appreciate you looking and researching for me. They are the Brochis splendens and get about 3.5 inches. www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest cannsyl@... > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: va22_vyshys@... > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:22:14 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > > i would like to apologize for my previous answer, I answered the question without researching first, emerald cories are of the brochis genus and are a bit larger than corydoras, so with that being said i would only get about 10 but, you can get a few more if there aren't going to be anymore fish in the tank. Sorry for the unintelligent answer the first time. > > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> wrote: > > From: Christy Sylvest <cannsyl@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] How many can I fit? > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:03 AM > > I was wondering how many emerald corys I could comfortably fit in a 40g breeder > tank? > > > www.cnmpuppies.mysite.com > "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it > should." -Desiderata > > Christy Sylvest > cannsyl@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37611	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Algae growth?

Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants away that it's growing on? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37612	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Todd?   Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums---------rust!   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.><((((ﾃつｺ>.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ><((((ﾃつｺ> ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. , ..ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..><((((ﾃつｺ> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT import ant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <ﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃ�B 8<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. , ..ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.><((((ﾂｺ>.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ><((((ﾂｺ> ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. , .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..><((((ﾂｺ> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <ﾂｺ((((><.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. , .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37613	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a stocking. I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or maybe I didn't stretch it enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37614	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Hi Len!   Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks.    Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a stocking.. I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or maybe I didn't stretch it enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37615	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?   Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums---------rust!   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for sponge filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. http://www.aquariumguys.com/aquarium-sponge-filters.html Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively... maybe even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere else. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Hi Len!   Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks.    Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a stocking.. I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or maybe I didn't stretch it enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37617	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Or you can get something like this instead, which is a setup that just attaches to your current intake hose/tube. http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/203833/product.web Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for sponge > filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this > site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. > > http://www.aquariumguys.com/aquarium-sponge-filters.html > <http://www.aquariumguys.com/aquarium-sponge-filters.html> > > Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively... maybe > even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere > else. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > Hi Len! > > Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM > > They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... > they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost > sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the > right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I > wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block > slips > off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. > > I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. > It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a > stocking.. > I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or > maybe I didn't stretch it enough. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? I > have > Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a > week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been thinking > of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So far > though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like > something a > bit courser in density and darker in color. Any thoughts? > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > wrote: > > From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM > > feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put > part of > them over the intake of the filter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? > > It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. > And then > I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a > lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, > with the > increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to > about > 10% a week. > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > they get > bigger? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37618	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's short > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone please > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants away that > it's growing on? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37619	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Sorry Kate!  I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!  If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".  I do apologize for the error.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?   Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust!   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37620	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Thanks Len!   When I DID the search for the filters, I got plenty BUT they were filter replacement PADS, not blocks!  In this link you just sent, some of those items look exactly like what I want. Many thanks again,   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:05 PM Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for sponge filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. .. maybe even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere else. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Hi Len!   Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks.    Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a stocking.. I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or maybe I didn't stretch it enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37621	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Hey Thanks Amber!  This would be great!  Provided, of course that it would fit the intake pipe.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:26 PM Or you can get something like this instead, which is a setup that just attaches to your current intake hose/tube. http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 203833/product. web Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for sponge > filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this > site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. > > http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html > <http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html> > > Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. .. maybe > even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere > else. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > Hi Len! > > Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM > > They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand.... > they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost > sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the > right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I > wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block > slips > off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. > > I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. > It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a > stocking.. > I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or > maybe I didn't stretch it enough. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > > Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? I > have > Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a > week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been thinking > of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So far > though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like > something a > bit courser in density and darker in color. Any thoughts? > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > wrote: > > From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM > > feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put > part of > them over the intake of the filter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question > though. > > Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? > > It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. > And then > I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a > lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, > with the > increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to > about > 10% a week. > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > they get > bigger? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37622	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. The decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply to you earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant permanently in the big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank with the Walstad substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of anacharis in the tank, it will get plenty of light (from floating up near the light) and CO2 from the air and then suck up the nutrients from the water. As it gets long enough so that it can be planted and still reach the surface, you can do that so it will still get enough CO2 from the surface. You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, once they get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but you'd have to move them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk plants and stuff in my big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick clean. You should see them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and have it clean in a day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > away that it's growing on? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37623	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a child growing off of it. 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is nana. And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw it out, but left it in for now. Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my tank and the LFS). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. The > decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply to you > earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant permanently in the > big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank with the Walstad > substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of anacharis in the tank, it > will get plenty of light (from floating up near the light) and CO2 > from the > air and then suck up the nutrients from the water. As it gets long enough > so that it can be planted and still reach the surface, you can do that > so it > will still get enough CO2 from the surface. > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > that is > contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, once they > get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but you'd have > to move > them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk plants and stuff in my > big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick > clean. You should see them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and > have it clean in a day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > algae > growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and squirting > the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > away that it's growing on? > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37624	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

The specs stated that it comes with different sized tubing to fit most standard sizes. I think they said there was 3 different sizes. I'm going to order them and find out ;) If not it seems like the sponge would fit over your tubing if it's not too small that is. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hey Thanks Amber! This would be great! Provided, of course that it > would fit the intake pipe. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:26 PM > > Or you can get something like this instead, which is a setup that just > attaches to your current intake hose/tube. > > http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 203833/product. web > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for > sponge > > filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this > > site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. > > > > http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html > > <http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html> > > > > Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. > .. maybe > > even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere > > else. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > Hi Len! > > > > Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM > > > > They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one > brand.... > > they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low > cost > > sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already > have the > > right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I > > wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block > > slips > > off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. > > > > I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. > > It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a > > stocking.. > > I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too > easy... or > > maybe I didn't stretch it enough. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? I > > have > > Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing > one a > > week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been > thinking > > of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So far > > though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like > > something a > > bit courser in density and darker in color. Any thoughts? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ > aim.com> > > wrote: > > > > From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put > > part of > > them over the intake of the filter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question > > though. > > > > Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? > > > > It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. > > And then > > I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they > eat a > > lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, > > with the > > increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to > > about > > 10% a week. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > > they get > > bigger? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37625	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

No offense taken. -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Sorry Kate!  I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!  If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".  I do apologize for the error.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?   Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust!   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddsw oman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good=2 0actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37626	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I think it is peroxide -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a child growing off of it. 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is nana. And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw it out, but left it in for now. Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my tank and the LFS). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37627	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: about fry(guppy)

I ended up putting a few of the fry in a separate bowl as I want to keep some of them alive. How long till I can put them back in with the adults. I did use the water from the Tank though to fill the bowl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37628	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Better test kits

Best solution I've found to the vague API test colors is to get used to them. You'll soon know what the colors mean, and you'll certainly know when something is different! Tehre are very expensive electronic gidgits to test the water parameters if you're fussy enough. The aquarium supply places online sell them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "turbocoupe76" <turbocoupe76@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Better test kits Is there a more accurate test kit than an API liquid Master Kit? Sometimes whe I test for ammonia I cant tell whether the ammonia is just off 0.0ppm . Its not at 0.25ppm but sometimes it doesnt seem to be at 0.0. I was just wondering if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or what. I still do my 20% weekly water changes and all my tanks are fully cycled. I havent added any fish either. Any other way to make sure? Tom ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37629	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Red Cherry Shrimp

Where can I buy some red cherry shrimp? I'd like to turn my extra 10g into a fun planted tank with a variety of life like shrimp, a frog or two and one or two small fish that wouldn't harm the other inhabitants. I want to have fun with the landscape on a tiny scale with a little interesting movement and life inside. Wherever I've found them online won't ship (too cold) and I can't seem to locate a pet store that would carry them. If I have to wait, when will they start shipping again? Where is the best place to get them? Lenny? ;-) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37630	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Hi Amber,   Here are the spec's I got with a micrometer:  Piping For Filter is OD .720 with an ID.595.   Of concern is what their measurements are because I could not find any on the page unless I got miss-directed-----------------------that happens to me a lot sometime.   Bill   --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 5:09 PM The specs stated that it comes with different sized tubing to fit most standard sizes. I think they said there was 3 different sizes. I'm going to order them and find out ;) If not it seems like the sponge would fit over your tubing if it's not too small that is. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hey Thanks Amber! This would be great! Provided, of course that it > would fit the intake pipe. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:26 PM > > Or you can get something like this instead, which is a setup that just > attaches to your current intake hose/tube. > > http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 203833/product. web > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for > sponge > > filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this > > site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. > > > > http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html > > <http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html> > > > > Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. > .. maybe > > even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere > > else. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > Hi Len! > > > > Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM > > > > They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one > brand.... > > they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low > cost > > sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already > have the > > right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I > > wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block > > slips > > off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. > > > > I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank.. > > It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a > > stocking.. > > I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too > easy... or > > maybe I didn't stretch it enough. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? I > > have > > Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing > one a > > week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been > thinking > > of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So far > > though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like > > something a > > bit courser in density and darker in color. Any thoughts? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ > aim.com> > > wrote: > > > > From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put > > part of > > them over the intake of the filter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question > > though. > > > > Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? > > > > It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. > > And then > > I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they > eat a > > lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, > > with the > > increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to > > about > > 10% a week. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > > they get > > bigger? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37631	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Yeah Bill.. you're a fellow caveman like me.. you know how we name them BillsWoman and LennysWoman. Isn't your wife's email address BillsWoman...? You should have figured out she was ToddsWoman! Just kidding with you Kate. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Sorry Kate!  I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!  If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".  I do apologize for the error.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?  Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust!  Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37632	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

The sponge blocks almost never need to be replaced.. maybe years and years before they start to disintegrate and then it's time to replace them. Maybe \\Steve// or Harry or Ray can tell you the real lifespan of them but since it's a man-made polycell material, I would suspect it will last a lifetime unless it was exposed to UV/sunlight which might hasten the deterioration. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Thanks Len!   When I DID the search for the filters, I got plenty BUT they were filter replacement PADS, not blocks!  In this link you just sent, some of those items look exactly like what I want. Many thanks again,   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:05 PM Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for sponge filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear this site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. .. maybe even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from somewhere else. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Hi Len!   Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks.    Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one brand... they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low cost sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already have the right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left unprotected. I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a stocking.. I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too easy... or maybe I didn't stretch it enough. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?  I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out!  Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.  So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.  Any thoughts?   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37633	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

It should be 3%.. most of the stuff we can buy off the shelf at the drug store or supermarket is only the 3% stuff. They sell stronger stuff (like 20%) at beauty supply outlets for them bleached blondes out there... or I guess for streaking too... and no, not the kind we used to do at the drive-in movies. LOL With the onion plants, you might want to cut them leaves back. I doubt they are surface breathers anyhow and the leaves floating on the top of the water might be dying back a little and allowing the algae to fester on them. Cut the ends off and drop the ends in the tank for the hillstreams to clean up.. unless you have enough other algae for them. For my BIG Crypt in my goldfish tank, where the leaves reach up and start growing across the surface, they start to get a little algae on them too so I just cut them back down by the crown and then bring that entire leaf to my cherry shrimp and they clean off the algae and the snails finish off the leaf... recycling at it's finest! LOL I'd have to see a pic of your tank, but I'm sure you've seen what a heavily planted tank looks like and I don't think you have enough plants yet to call it that.. but maybe you do... but not from the last pics I saw in your group photo album. See my blog. That's my 65G tank at the top of the page. I don't even consider it heavily planted although it is nicely planted and that BIG Crypt really fills out the middle of the tank (about the size of a basketball), then four clay pots of anacharis (some floating too) and then two decent sized pieces of driftwood. I've had other plants too but the goldfish decide to redecorate from time to time and also like to make salads some times. That BIG Crypt and the anacharis is about the only thing that survives long term in that tank. I need to do some redecoration of the cherry shrimp tank to make it look nice. It's got tons of plants but they are just mish-mashed in there so it doesn't look good at all.. more like an overgrown jungle, especially with the guppy grass growing like crazy. I need to pull some of that out. I want to wrap my driftwood in it and see how it will do in the goldfish tank but I haven't figured out how to get the cherry shrimp to let go of it so they don't go into the goldfish tank too... although I've been tempted to see if any would survive.. probably not though. They are about one bite size for my goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a child growing off of it. 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is nana. And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw it out, but left it in for now. Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my tank and the LFS). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. > The decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply > to you earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant > permanently in the big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank > with the Walstad substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of > anacharis in the tank, it will get plenty of light (from floating up > near the light) and CO2 from the air and then suck up the nutrients > from the water. As it gets long enough so that it can be planted and > still reach the surface, you can do that so it will still get enough > CO2 from the surface. > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, > once they get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but > you'd have to move them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk > plants and stuff in my big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank > for the shrimp to pick clean. You should see them go after an > algae-fied decoration or plant and have it clean in a day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > suggestion? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants > > and decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. > > It's short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can > > someone please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw > > the plants away that it's growing on? > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37634	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

That thing was like $15.00. The sponge blocks for sponge filters were less than $5.00 and I still bet that WalMart sells a sponge filter that is even less than $5.00 (without an air pump). The sponge from that would likely fit over the intake and it would also get cycled so if you ever need to set up a Q-tank or H-tank, you could slip it off the intake and set up the sponge filter with an air pump in the Q/H-tank and be instantly cycled. Of course, if you still have fry in the main tank, you'd have to use a piece of stocking or whatever over the intake strainer as a temporary protection. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. The specs stated that it comes with different sized tubing to fit most standard sizes. I think they said there was 3 different sizes. I'm going to order them and find out ;) If not it seems like the sponge would fit over your tubing if it's not too small that is. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hey Thanks Amber! This would be great! Provided, of course that it > would fit the intake pipe. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:26 PM > > Or you can get something like this instead, which is a setup that just > attaches to your current intake hose/tube. > > http://www.thatpetp lace.com/ pet/prod/ 203833/product. web > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Here's an example of the many types of sponge blocks available for > sponge > > filters... just one of the first hits on a Google Search but I hear > > this site is a good place to shop too but I've never used them before. > > > > http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html > > <http://www.aquarium guys.com/ aquarium- sponge-filters. html> > > > > Walmart may also sell a sponge filter system rather inexpensively. > .. maybe > > even cheaper than buying just the sponge block by itself from > > somewhere else. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf > > Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have > > a question though. > > > > Hi Len! > > > > Thanks, I'll due some checking to find the blocks. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have > > a question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:29 PM > > > > They sell black foam blocks (Rena Filstar Canister filters is one > brand.... > > they sell three grades of pore size) and the foam rounds used in low > cost > > sponge filters also work. The sponge filter rounds should already > have the > > right sized hole in the middle to slip right over the intake > > strainer. I wouldn't take the actual strainer off... just in case > > the sponge block slips off, you don't want the 3/4" opening left > > unprotected. > > > > I just use a filter media bag over the intake for my Cherry Shrimp tank. > > It's a fine hole media bag but the holes are larger than that of a > > stocking.. > > I've tried stocking material before but it seems to clog up too > easy... or > > maybe I didn't stretch it enough. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have > > a question though. > > > > Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out? > > I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been > > losing > one a > > week in the power filter strainer after the lights are out! Been > thinking > > of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe. So > > far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like > > something a bit courser in density and darker in color. Any > > thoughts? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ > aim.com> > > wrote: > > > > From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have > > a question though. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put > > part of them over the intake of the filter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > > question though. > > > > Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? > > > > It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. > > And then > > I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they > eat a > > lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, > > with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so > > cut back to about 10% a week. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > > > > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only > > have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. > > Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till > > they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37635	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)

What size bowl? A "goldfish" bowl (although goldfish should never be kept in one of them death traps) or just a dish? If just a dish, that will not be enough water and it's not filtered or cycled. If a goldfish bowl, then you should also put a handful of your gravel and maybe a plant so that you will transfer some nitrifying bacteria over to the bowl and then you can do daily PWC's to keep the water from getting polluted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) I ended up putting a few of the fry in a separate bowl as I want to keep some of them alive. How long till I can put them back in with the adults. I did use the water from the Tank though to fill the bowl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37636	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp

Many pet stores and LFS sell them now although Aquabid.com would probably be a better choice for pricing. You should be able to buy a lot of 25 on Aquabid for around $10.00 or so and around $5.95 for shipping with an Express Mail two-day prepaid box. I haven't checked in a while. I guess the online sellers would be the best to ask when they would start shipping again but when I got mine, it was just the 1 liter water bottle with some guppy grass in it and the shrimp with block styrofoam around the outside of the box.. all six sides... and then there was a heat pack inside the box with a piece of styrofoam between it and the bottle. All the shrimp survived and a few of the females arrived carrying eggs and I had shrimp babies (I think called Joeys) within a week and they've been like rabbits ever since. I haven't tried selling mine online yet. It's too easy for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS for store credit. I wonder if they think of the siphon as a water slide tube thingy? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp Where can I buy some red cherry shrimp? I'd like to turn my extra 10g into a fun planted tank with a variety of life like shrimp, a frog or two and one or two small fish that wouldn't harm the other inhabitants. I want to have fun with the landscape on a tiny scale with a little interesting movement and life inside. Wherever I've found them online won't ship (too cold) and I can't seem to locate a pet store that would carry them. If I have to wait, when will they start shipping again? Where is the best place to get them? Lenny? ;-) Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37637	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37638	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Yep but for me it keeps the wierdos from immiung me wanting cyber sex so the id comes in handy -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 6:08 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Yeah Bill.. you're a fellow caveman like me.. you know how we name them BillsWoman and LennysWoman. Isn't your wife's email address BillsWoman...? You should have figured out she was ToddsWoman! Just kidding with you Kate. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Sorry Kate!  I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!  If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".  I do apologize for the error.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?  Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?  More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust!  Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been20losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswom an496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37639	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)

it is a large mixing bowl.  I will be taking some of teh water out and putting new in twice a day. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 6:35 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) What size bowl? A "goldfish" bowl (although goldfish should never be kept in one of them death traps) or just a dish? If just a dish, that will not be enough water and it's not filtered or cycled. If a goldfish bowl, then you should also put a handful of your gravel and maybe a plant so that you will transfer some nitrifying bacteria over to the bowl and then you can do daily PWC's to keep the water from getting polluted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) I ended up putting a few of the fry in a separate bowl as I want to keep some of them alive. How long till I can put them back in with the adults. I did use the water from the Tank though to fill the bowl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Pleas e, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37640	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)

You should also put a handful of gravel in it just to help keep it cycled so you don't get a build-up of ammonia/nitrite. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) it is a large mixing bowl.  I will be taking some of teh water out and putting new in twice a day. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 6:35 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) What size bowl? A "goldfish" bowl (although goldfish should never be kept in one of them death traps) or just a dish? If just a dish, that will not be enough water and it's not filtered or cycled. If a goldfish bowl, then you should also put a handful of your gravel and maybe a plant so that you will transfer some nitrifying bacteria over to the bowl and then you can do daily PWC's to keep the water from getting polluted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) I ended up putting a few of the fry in a separate bowl as I want to keep some of them alive. How long till I can put them back in with the adults. I did use the water from the Tank though to fill the bowl

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37641	From: pam andress	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp

I sell mine on aquabid and do side deals. I try to get a buck a piece for mine, but do send extras. As for shipping, I charge 8 bucks. That covers the heat pack exc. If you got them cheaper Lenny, then you got a good deal. Pam ucdxmisty on aquabid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:43:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp Many pet stores and LFS sell them now although Aquabid.com would probably be a better choice for pricing. You should be able to buy a lot of 25 on Aquabid for around $10.00 or so and around $5.95 for shipping with an Express Mail two-day prepaid box. I haven't checked in a while. I guess the online sellers would be the best to ask when they would start shipping again but when I got mine, it was just the 1 liter water bottle with some guppy grass in it and the shrimp with block styrofoam around the outside of the box.. all six sides... and then there was a heat pack inside the box with a piece of styrofoam between it and the bottle. All the shrimp survived and a few of the females arrived carrying eggs and I had shrimp babies (I think called Joeys) within a week and they've been like rabbits ever since. I haven't tried selling mine online yet. It's too easy for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS for store credit. I wonder if they think of the siphon as a water slide tube thingy? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp Where can I buy some red cherry shrimp? I'd like to turn my extra 10g into a fun planted tank with a variety of life like shrimp, a frog or two and one or two small fish that wouldn't harm the other inhabitants. I want to have fun with the landscape on a tiny scale with a little interesting movement and life inside. Wherever I've found them online won't ship (too cold) and I can't seem to locate a pet store that would carry them. If I have to wait, when will they start shipping again? Where is the best place to get them? Lenny? ;-) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37642	From: bill1433	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I know, I know!� But I ask the forgiveness of all!� Having a very hard time lately because they can celled Boston Legal!� I kept wanting to watch more for further developments on Denny's "Mad Cow" and I am now going through withdraw from the show.� As you know, its not easy being me. � Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 6:08 PM Yeah Bill.. you're a fellow caveman like me.. you know how we name them BillsWoman and LennysWoman. Isn't your wife's email address BillsWoman.. .? You should have figured out she was ToddsWoman! Just kidding with you Kate. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:29 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Sorry Kate!� I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!� If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".� I do apologize for the error. � Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd? � Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?�� Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread?�� More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?�� Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust! � Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?������ I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!������ Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.������ So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.������ Any thoughts? ������ Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37643	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I would guess that my tank is only slightly planted then, since most of the plants are still quite small since they're new. I'm sure the ecology will catch up as they get bigger, I just need to get rid of some of this black beard algae as it's smothering some of the plants off. I will try trimming the onion plants down, they grow pretty fast anyways. I haven't noticed the hillstream loaches eating any of the black beard algae, perhaps it's not the kind that they like? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It should be 3%.. most of the stuff we can buy off the shelf at the drug > store or supermarket is only the 3% stuff. They sell stronger stuff (like > 20%) at beauty supply outlets for them bleached blondes out there... or I > guess for streaking too... and no, not the kind we used to do at the > drive-in movies. LOL > > With the onion plants, you might want to cut them leaves back. I doubt > they > are surface breathers anyhow and the leaves floating on the top of the > water > might be dying back a little and allowing the algae to fester on them. Cut > the ends off and drop the ends in the tank for the hillstreams to > clean up.. > unless you have enough other algae for them. For my BIG Crypt in my > goldfish tank, where the leaves reach up and start growing across the > surface, they start to get a little algae on them too so I just cut them > back down by the crown and then bring that entire leaf to my cherry shrimp > and they clean off the algae and the snails finish off the leaf... > recycling > at it's finest! LOL > > I'd have to see a pic of your tank, but I'm sure you've seen what a > heavily > planted tank looks like and I don't think you have enough plants yet > to call > it that.. but maybe you do... but not from the last pics I saw in your > group > photo album. > > See my blog. That's my 65G tank at the top of the page. I don't even > consider it heavily planted although it is nicely planted and that BIG > Crypt > really fills out the middle of the tank (about the size of a basketball), > then four clay pots of anacharis (some floating too) and then two decent > sized pieces of driftwood. I've had other plants too but the goldfish > decide to redecorate from time to time and also like to make salads some > times. That BIG Crypt and the anacharis is about the only thing that > survives long term in that tank. I need to do some redecoration of the > cherry shrimp tank to make it look nice. It's got tons of plants but they > are just mish-mashed in there so it doesn't look good at all.. more > like an > overgrown jungle, especially with the guppy grass growing like crazy. I > need to pull some of that out. I want to wrap my driftwood in it and see > how it will do in the goldfish tank but I haven't figured out how to > get the > cherry shrimp to let go of it so they don't go into the goldfish tank > too... > although I've been tempted to see if any would survive.. probably not > though. They are about one bite size for my goldfish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, and > try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface and > have > several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a > child growing off of it. > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is > nana. > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > honest, > but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, > it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was > going to throw it out, but left it in for now. > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the plants > just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still regrowing from > melting after the initial water differences between my tank and the LFS). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a > > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. > > The decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply > > to you earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant > > permanently in the big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank > > with the Walstad substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of > > anacharis in the tank, it will get plenty of light (from floating up > > near the light) and CO2 from the air and then suck up the nutrients > > from the water. As it gets long enough so that it can be planted and > > still reach the surface, you can do that so it will still get enough > > CO2 from the surface. > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, > > once they get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but > > you'd have to move them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk > > plants and stuff in my big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank > > for the shrimp to pick clean. You should see them go after an > > algae-fied decoration or plant and have it clean in a day. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and > > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > suggestion? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants > > > and decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. > > > It's short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can > > > someone please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw > > > the plants away that it's growing on? > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37644	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Red Cherry Shrimp

I just peeked at Aquabid.com and did a search for Cherry Shrimp and I do see where lots of people are asking for around a buck each but I also see a couple of sellers for less. One auction for 25 is only at $12.50 right now.. http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwinverts&1235412549 This one is a buy now for 18 shrimp and Java Moss for $16.88. http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwinverts&1235435379 This one is 50 shrimp with the top bid at $25.99 and less than a day left on the auction. http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwinverts&1235350849 This one is 30 shrimp with free shipping for $28.00. http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwinverts&1235276762 There are many other auctions pending. Heck.. maybe I need to start selling on Aquabid too if they are getting a buck each plus shipping/handling. My LFS sells them for $1.00 each and pays me 50 cents each in store credit (which is technically only 25 cents each in cost to them) since anything I buy is then 50% profit for them. I paid $25.00 (incl. shipping) for 25 shrimp, a BN Pleco, java moss, guppy grass, this "mystery" crypt which is now a GIANT crypt (about the size of a basketball in my goldfish tank). I figured the shrimp were around 50 cents each, a couple of bucks for the BN Pleco, a buck for each plant and then shipping. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:50 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp I sell mine on aquabid and do side deals. I try to get a buck a piece for mine, but do send extras. As for shipping, I charge 8 bucks. That covers the heat pack exc. If you got them cheaper Lenny, then you got a good deal. Pam ucdxmisty on aquabid To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:43:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp Many pet stores and LFS sell them now although Aquabid.com would probably be a better choice for pricing. You should be able to buy a lot of 25 on Aquabid for around $10.00 or so and around $5.95 for shipping with an Express Mail two-day prepaid box. I haven't checked in a while. I guess the online sellers would be the best to ask when they would start shipping again but when I got mine, it was just the 1 liter water bottle with some guppy grass in it and the shrimp with block styrofoam around the outside of the box.. all six sides... and then there was a heat pack inside the box with a piece of styrofoam between it and the bottle. All the shrimp survived and a few of the females arrived carrying eggs and I had shrimp babies (I think called Joeys) within a week and they've been like rabbits ever since. I haven't tried selling mine online yet. It's too easy for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS for store credit. I wonder if they think of the siphon as a water slide tube thingy? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red Cherry Shrimp Where can I buy some red cherry shrimp? I'd like to turn my extra 10g into a fun planted tank with a variety of life like shrimp, a frog or two and one or two small fish that wouldn't harm the other inhabitants. I want to have fun with the landscape on a tiny scale with a little interesting movement and life inside. Wherever I've found them online won't ship (too cold) and I can't seem to locate a pet store that would carry them. If I have to wait, when will they start shipping again? Where is the best place to get them? Lenny? ;-) Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37645	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: about fry(guppy)

will do -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) You should also put a handful of gravel in it just to help keep it cycled so you don't get a build-up of ammonia/nitrite. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) it is a large mixing bowl.  I will be taking some of teh water out and putting new in twice a day. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 6:35 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) What size bowl? A "goldfish" bowl (although goldfish should never be kept in one of them death traps) or just a dish? If just a dish, that will not be enough water and it's not filtered or cycled. If a goldfish bowl, then you should also put a handful of your gravel and maybe a plant so that you will transfer some nitrifying bacteria over to the bowl and then you can do daily PWC's to keep the water from getting pollu ted. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about fry(guppy) I ended up putting a few of the fry in a separate bowl as I want to keep some of them alive. How long till I can put them back in with the adults. I did use the water from the Tank though to fill the bowl ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37646	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Even though they seem to be more rare in aquaria now days, they are also a higher pH range fish, they probably wouldn't do well in my 6.1 pH tank ;) I heard that rosy barbs and other kinds of barbs also eat the black beard algae, does anyone else know if this is true? I don't want to get a CAE (they were also suggested on a site). Amber joesbirds@... wrote: > > Ameca Splendens clean it off pretty well > > Joey > **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003 > <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

LOL. I loved Bill Shatner in that show.. probably the best character he's played since Captain Kirk... both were true cavemen! UG! UG! Of course, Eddie Murphy's parody of Captain Kirk, in the Delirious concert, was pretty dang funny too! You can watch reruns of Boston Legal on USA.. I think it's USA that shows them all the time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. I know, I know!  But I ask the forgiveness of all!  Having a very hard time lately because they canceled Boston Legal!  I kept wanting to watch more for further developments on Denny's "Mad Cow" and I am now going through withdraw from the show.  As you know, its not easy being me.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 6:08 PM Yeah Bill.. you're a fellow caveman like me.. you know how we name them BillsWoman and LennysWoman. Isn't your wife's email address BillsWoman.. .? You should have figured out she was ToddsWoman! Just kidding with you Kate. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:29 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Sorry Kate!  I took name from first letters in toddswoman496861!  If I would have thought it through, I should have realized that I just might have been talking to "Todds Woman".  I do apologize for the error.   Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:58 PM my name is Kate, The tie is not even in the water. but will get a better one on as i just got some plastic ties -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Todd?  Please tell me that you are using a "Nylon Twist Tie" like for holding cabling together?  Not a regular one, like on the end of a loaf of bread? More commonly known as plastic ties but with a metal center?  Very bad for aquariums--- ------rust!  Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 12:24 PM Seems to be working out good. I just cut a piece of the toe part off and used a twist tie to keep it on -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: low>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Would you please keep us posted on how the stocking is working out?ﾂ� I have Neon Tetra's and a few quite small ones and lately I've been losing one a week in the power filter strainer=2 0after the lights are out!ﾂ� Been thinking of just removing it and slipping a piece of foam over the pipe.ﾂ� So far though, I can only find white or off-white media and would like something a bit courser in density and darker in color.ﾂ� Any thoughts? ﾂ� Bill --- On Sat, 2/21/09, toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@ aim.com <toddswoman496861@ aim.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:41 AM feels good actually. I went out and got some nylon stockings to put part of them over the intake of the filter. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:29 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. Congrats!! How does it feel to be a parent for the first time? It all depends on the type of fish, but I fed my fry 3 times a day. And then I would catch them picking at micro-organisms on the plants, so they eat a lot. As far as the water changes go, cutting back is the way to go, with the increase in feeding the water will deteriorate quickly, so cut back to about 10% a week. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, toddswoman496861@ ... wrote: > > How often to feed. I do not have them in a separate tank as I only have the one tank right now. I plan on saving up for a bigger tank. Also how soon can sex be known, and should I hold off on PWC's till they get bigger?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37648	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

It sounds like you're gonna need a real algae eater soon. It's too bad your LFS won't get in any of the dwarf plecos instead of just common plecos. Normal green spot algae will turn kind of dark green, almost black if left alone long enough and it gets thick enough. If you scrape the black top off, it's green underneath. Mine was getting close to being like that before I took the scraper to it.... but that little clown pleco was eating it whether it was green or the almost black in color. The Cherry Shrimp also go to town on any kind of algae that I've had for them so far. Are you sure it's beard algae? Is it actually growing long or just flat on the glass and getting dark green, almost black? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae I would guess that my tank is only slightly planted then, since most of the plants are still quite small since they're new. I'm sure the ecology will catch up as they get bigger, I just need to get rid of some of this black beard algae as it's smothering some of the plants off. I will try trimming the onion plants down, they grow pretty fast anyways. I haven't noticed the hillstream loaches eating any of the black beard algae, perhaps it's not the kind that they like? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It should be 3%.. most of the stuff we can buy off the shelf at the > drug store or supermarket is only the 3% stuff. They sell stronger > stuff (like > 20%) at beauty supply outlets for them bleached blondes out there... > or I guess for streaking too... and no, not the kind we used to do at > the drive-in movies. LOL > > With the onion plants, you might want to cut them leaves back. I doubt > they are surface breathers anyhow and the leaves floating on the top > of the water might be dying back a little and allowing the algae to > fester on them. Cut the ends off and drop the ends in the tank for the > hillstreams to clean up.. > unless you have enough other algae for them. For my BIG Crypt in my > goldfish tank, where the leaves reach up and start growing across the > surface, they start to get a little algae on them too so I just cut > them back down by the crown and then bring that entire leaf to my > cherry shrimp and they clean off the algae and the snails finish off the leaf... > recycling > at it's finest! LOL > > I'd have to see a pic of your tank, but I'm sure you've seen what a > heavily planted tank looks like and I don't think you have enough > plants yet to call it that.. but maybe you do... but not from the last > pics I saw in your group photo album. > > See my blog. That's my 65G tank at the top of the page. I don't even > consider it heavily planted although it is nicely planted and that BIG > Crypt really fills out the middle of the tank (about the size of a > basketball), then four clay pots of anacharis (some floating too) and > then two decent sized pieces of driftwood. I've had other plants too > but the goldfish decide to redecorate from time to time and also like > to make salads some times. That BIG Crypt and the anacharis is about > the only thing that survives long term in that tank. I need to do some > redecoration of the cherry shrimp tank to make it look nice. It's got > tons of plants but they are just mish-mashed in there so it doesn't > look good at all.. more like an overgrown jungle, especially with the > guppy grass growing like crazy. I need to pull some of that out. I > want to wrap my driftwood in it and see how it will do in the goldfish > tank but I haven't figured out how to get the cherry shrimp to let go > of it so they don't go into the goldfish tank too... > although I've been tempted to see if any would survive.. probably not > though. They are about one bite size for my goldfish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, > and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface > and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with > a child growing off of it. > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is > nana. > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which > kind it is, it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I > uprooted it and was going to throw it out, but left it in for now. > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the > plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still > regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my tank and the LFS). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use > > a syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. > > The decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply > > to you earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant > > permanently in the big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank > > with the Walstad substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of > > anacharis in the tank, it will get plenty of light (from floating up > > near the light) and CO2 from the air and then suck up the nutrients > > from the water. As it gets long enough so that it can be planted and > > still reach the surface, you can do that so it will still get enough > > CO2 from the surface. > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream > > loaches, once they get bigger, would probably help clean the > > decorations but you'd have to move them to the hillstream tank. I do > > that with my silk plants and stuff in my big tank. I move them to > > the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick clean. You should see > > them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and have it clean in a day. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > > beard algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using > > H2O2 and squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > suggestion? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants > > > and decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. > > > It's short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. > > > Can someone please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to > > > throw the plants away that it's growing on? > > > > > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37649	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Amber, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide, you know, the stuff that makes your hair blonde <g,r&d>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, > and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface > and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a > child growing off of it. > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is nana. > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > honest, but I like it ;) > I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, it's now covered > in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw it > out, but left it in for now. > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the > plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still > regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my > tank and the LFS). > > Amber > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a > > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. The > > decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply to you > > earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant permanently in the > > big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank with the Walstad > > substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of anacharis in the tank, it > > will get plenty of light (from floating up near the light) and CO2 > > from the > > air and then suck up the nutrients from the water. As it gets long enough > > so that it can be planted and still reach the surface, you can do that > > so it > > will still get enough CO2 from the surface. > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > that is > > contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, once they > > get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but you'd have > > to move > > them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk plants and stuff in my > > big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick > > clean. You should see them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and > > have it clean in a day. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > > algae > > growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and squirting > > the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > > short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > > please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > > away that it's growing on? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37650	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: New set up - 10g & 55T

I set up another 10g tank. I put in 2g from my established tank in there and filled the rest with tap. I then took out some of the live plants from the established tank and part of it's gravel (dang, gravel was $14 a bag!! decided to share). This was 48 hrs ago. Now that I know my Start Right is useless... what else should I do or how long should I wait before adding any fish to it? I'm in no rush but my trip to the LPS on Tuesday may prove mighty tempting unless it's a no-no yet. The reason for my trip to the LPS is to get a water test kit. I'll follow the leads given earlier this week and test both the tank and the tap. No idea what I'm looking for though. Hoping I can post my results here for opinions. Should I forgo the fish until after my testing? hmmm... maybe that's a dumb question. The impatient child in me coming out in spades. LOL For the 55T question.... a friend has a 55T set up she may sell me. I prefer longs as there is both more surface air space per g. and more space for my planting hopes. How will my allowed population differ in a tall tank? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37651	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I don't think Amber is dyed blonde... but rather a dyed brunette.. you know.. artificial intelligence. <Don't slow down \\Steve// or I might run you over... I don't think running and ducking is gonna cut it anyhow... she's got Gov. Sarah on her side shooting at us with the Moose gun. Don't shoot me Gov.. I voted for you! lol> Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae Amber, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide, you know, the stuff that makes your hair blonde <g,r&d>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, > and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface > and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with a > child growing off of it. > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is nana. > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which > kind it is, it's now covered > in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw it > out, but left it in for now. > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the > plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still > regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my > tank and the LFS). > > Amber > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use a > > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. The > > decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply to you > > earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant permanently in the > > big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank with the Walstad > > substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of anacharis in the tank, it > > will get plenty of light (from floating up near the light) and CO2 > > from the air and then suck up the nutrients from the water. As it > > gets long enough > > so that it can be planted and still reach the surface, you can do that > > so it > > will still get enough CO2 from the surface. > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream > > loaches, once they > > get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but you'd have > > to move them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk plants > > and stuff in my > > big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick > > clean. You should see them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and > > have it clean in a day. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > > algae > > growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and squirting > > the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > > short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > > please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > > away that it's growing on? > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37652	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Since you already moved some gravel and plants, you want to move fish to the tank too. Otherwise, with no source of ammonia, the good nitrifying bacteria will start to starve and die off. The dirty gravel might have a little detritus in it so that detritus will break down providing some ammonia but it may not happen right away so you need at least a couple of fish to keep the tank cycled. If you don't have any extra filter media in your running tank, then you could take a handful of gravel and put it in a media bag or stocking and put that in the filter reservoir of the new tank and that will do even better at cycling the tank and getting the new filter seeded properly. You might want to move a few more gallons of water from the 10G to the old tank and move a few gallons of the old tank water to the 10G so their waters are more identical so the fish you move will not get shocked. Right now, you have two old gallons and eight new gallons in the 10G and you want it at least 50/50. I hope the tap was dechlored when you put it in the new 10G or the chlorine/chloramine will start to kill off the good bacteria after a couple of minutes. By "55T", I'm guessing you mean 55G Tall tank (the G key is right below the T key but you did type T three times so I want to be sure. Is it a hex tank? I'm not familiar with a 55G Tall tank.. other than the hex. What are the measurements? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T I set up another 10g tank. I put in 2g from my established tank in there and filled the rest with tap. I then took out some of the live plants from the established tank and part of it's gravel (dang, gravel was $14 a bag!! decided to share). This was 48 hrs ago. Now that I know my Start Right is useless... what else should I do or how long should I wait before adding any fish to it? I'm in no rush but my trip to the LPS on Tuesday may prove mighty tempting unless it's a no-no yet. The reason for my trip to the LPS is to get a water test kit. I'll follow the leads given earlier this week and test both the tank and the tap. No idea what I'm looking for though. Hoping I can post my results here for opinions. Should I forgo the fish until after my testing? hmmm... maybe that's a dumb question. The impatient child in me coming out in spades. LOL For the 55T question.... a friend has a 55T set up she may sell me. I prefer longs as there is both more surface air space per g. and more space for my planting hopes. How will my allowed population differ in a tall tank? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37653	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I'm brunette but have been (lightheartedly, I hope) referred to as a chocolate covered blonde many times by my teen sons. Oiy... one of which just turned 20 today. Guess I can't say that anymore! Now I'm an old chocolate covered blonde with two kids in their 20's, a teenager and now a grandma. Gosh... thanks... **stomping off to go find my box of calgon** Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37654	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

It's growing longer if I leave it along on ornaments. I can't even scrape it over with a finger nail. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It sounds like you're gonna need a real algae eater soon. It's too bad > your > LFS won't get in any of the dwarf plecos instead of just common plecos. > > Normal green spot algae will turn kind of dark green, almost black if left > alone long enough and it gets thick enough. If you scrape the black top > off, it's green underneath. Mine was getting close to being like that > before I took the scraper to it.... but that little clown pleco was eating > it whether it was green or the almost black in color. The Cherry Shrimp > also go to town on any kind of algae that I've had for them so far. > > Are you sure it's beard algae? Is it actually growing long or just flat on > the glass and getting dark green, almost black? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > I would guess that my tank is only slightly planted then, since most > of the > plants are still quite small since they're new. I'm sure the ecology will > catch up as they get bigger, I just need to get rid of some of this black > beard algae as it's smothering some of the plants off. > I will try trimming the onion plants down, they grow pretty fast > anyways. I > haven't noticed the hillstream loaches eating any of the black beard > algae, > perhaps it's not the kind that they like? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > It should be 3%.. most of the stuff we can buy off the shelf at the > > drug store or supermarket is only the 3% stuff. They sell stronger > > stuff (like > > 20%) at beauty supply outlets for them bleached blondes out there... > > or I guess for streaking too... and no, not the kind we used to do at > > the drive-in movies. LOL > > > > With the onion plants, you might want to cut them leaves back. I doubt > > they are surface breathers anyhow and the leaves floating on the top > > of the water might be dying back a little and allowing the algae to > > fester on them. Cut the ends off and drop the ends in the tank for the > > hillstreams to clean up.. > > unless you have enough other algae for them. For my BIG Crypt in my > > goldfish tank, where the leaves reach up and start growing across the > > surface, they start to get a little algae on them too so I just cut > > them back down by the crown and then bring that entire leaf to my > > cherry shrimp and they clean off the algae and the snails finish off the > leaf... > > recycling > > at it's finest! LOL > > > > I'd have to see a pic of your tank, but I'm sure you've seen what a > > heavily planted tank looks like and I don't think you have enough > > plants yet to call it that.. but maybe you do... but not from the last > > pics I saw in your group photo album. > > > > See my blog. That's my 65G tank at the top of the page. I don't even > > consider it heavily planted although it is nicely planted and that BIG > > Crypt really fills out the middle of the tank (about the size of a > > basketball), then four clay pots of anacharis (some floating too) and > > then two decent sized pieces of driftwood. I've had other plants too > > but the goldfish decide to redecorate from time to time and also like > > to make salads some times. That BIG Crypt and the anacharis is about > > the only thing that survives long term in that tank. I need to do some > > redecoration of the cherry shrimp tank to make it look nice. It's got > > tons of plants but they are just mish-mashed in there so it doesn't > > look good at all.. more like an overgrown jungle, especially with the > > guppy grass growing like crazy. I need to pull some of that out. I > > want to wrap my driftwood in it and see how it will do in the goldfish > > tank but I haven't figured out how to get the cherry shrimp to let go > > of it so they don't go into the goldfish tank too... > > although I've been tempted to see if any would survive.. probably not > > though. They are about one bite size for my goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, > > and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface > > and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with > > a child growing off of it. > > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is > > nana. > > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > > honest, but I like it ;) I also have a type of grass, not sure which > > kind it is, it's now covered in the black beard algae though, I > > uprooted it and was going to throw it out, but left it in for now. > > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the > > plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still > > regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between > my tank > and the LFS). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use > > > a syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. > > > The decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply > > > to you earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant > > > permanently in the big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank > > > with the Walstad substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of > > > anacharis in the tank, it will get plenty of light (from floating up > > > near the light) and CO2 from the air and then suck up the nutrients > > > from the water. As it gets long enough so that it can be planted and > > > still reach the surface, you can do that so it will still get enough > > > CO2 from the surface. > > > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > > that is contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream > > > loaches, once they get bigger, would probably help clean the > > > decorations but you'd have to move them to the hillstream tank. I do > > > that with my silk plants and stuff in my big tank. I move them to > > > the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to pick clean. You should see > > > them go after an algae-fied decoration or plant and have it clean in a > day. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > > > beard algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using > > > H2O2 and squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > > suggestion? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants > > > > and decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. > > > > It's short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. > > > > Can someone please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to > > > > throw the plants away that it's growing on? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37655	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

I know, I meant I wanted to check what percentage it was in the bottle in the bathroom ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Amber, > > H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide, you know, the stuff that makes your hair > blonde <g,r&d>. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > I have a large syringe already, and not sure what the H2O2 is in the > > bathroom, will check it. I will remove the decorations and clean them, > > and try spot cleaning the plants. The "onion plants" reach the surface > > and have several leaves that are covered in this black beard algae. > > Yes it's the 125 gallon walstad tank. > > Let me count how many plants I have in there currently. > > 2 onion plants that are tall enough to touch the surface. > > 5 or 6 different swords, one is large enough to be a mother plant with > a > > child growing off of it. > > 2 different types of anubias, one is very large, the other I think is > nana. > > And I have one micro sword I think, not quite sure what it is to be > > honest, but I like it ;) > > I also have a type of grass, not sure which kind it is, it's now > covered > > in the black beard algae though, I uprooted it and was going to throw > it > > out, but left it in for now. > > Not sure if this is enough plants for the tank yet, or perhaps the > > plants just aren't big enough yet. (some of the swords are still > > regrowing from melting after the initial water differences between my > > tank and the LFS). > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Yes, up to 1 oz. of 3% H2O2 per 10G per day can be safely used. Use > a > > > syringe so you can spot squirt it right on the algae on your plants. > The > > > decorations can be removed and cleaned. Sorry.. I meant to reply to > you > > > earlier. Until you decide on more live plants to plant permanently > in the > > > big tank... I'm presuming this is in the big tank with the Walstad > > > substrate?... but if you can just float a LOT of anacharis in the > tank, it > > > will get plenty of light (from floating up near the light) and CO2 > > > from the > > > air and then suck up the nutrients from the water. As it gets long > enough > > > so that it can be planted and still reach the surface, you can do > that > > > so it > > > will still get enough CO2 from the surface. > > > > > > You have that rich substrate and probably not enough plants yet.. so > > > that is > > > contributing to the algae. Of course, your hillstream loaches, once > they > > > get bigger, would probably help clean the decorations but you'd have > > > to move > > > them to the hillstream tank. I do that with my silk plants and stuff > in my > > > big tank. I move them to the cherry shrimp tank for the shrimp to > pick > > > clean. You should see them go after an algae-fied decoration or > plant and > > > have it clean in a day. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:56 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > beard > > > algae > > > growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and > squirting > > > the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants > and > > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > > > short and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can > someone > > > > please tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the > plants > > > > away that it's growing on? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37656	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

ah now it is clearer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37657	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Yes, using H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is a good suggestion, provided you use it carefully. It can be used either locally (applied directly to the algae with a syringe/turkey baster) or generally (dosing the whole tank), both methods as Lenny suggests (and at the suggested rate), but this product is an oxygenator and you need to be careful not to get any concentration of it near any fish which could pull it in past their gills (and burning them). Peroxide dissipates fairly rapidly though, so this is seldom a problem -- just something you need to watch out for as it can lead to misfortune. You can also use either Flourish Excel or Easy Carbo, both plant fertilizers (liquid carbon - carbon in solution), which eliminates any potential -- even if small -- problem. At normal dosage it's safe for all fish and plants, and may be used against Black Beard Algae at normal strength although at this level it may take several weeks to eliminate this algae. Excessive Flourish Excel (or Easy Carbo) will affect some plants sensitive to it, like any Valisneria species, Egeria Densa (Brazilian Elodea), and Alternanthera reineckii, etc., otherwise, provided you don't have such plants you may use up to double the normal dosage for getting rid of this algae within the week. Removal of this algae's needed nutrients, if it can be done, is the best way of all of eliminating it as you'll then be getting right to the source of the problem (other than its initial introduction to your tank). By doing larger and more frequent water changes, enough to keep your nitrates down below 15ppm (and preferably nearer 5ppm) accompanied by your phosphates not exceeding 0.5ppm, will see the die off of this algae; it thrives on an abundance of nitrates. Additional populations of live plants will help ensure lower levels of these nutrients in the water column. It is reported that a number of aquarium fish will consume this type of algae, although not everyone would consider the addition of fish otherwise not planned for just to eliminate this algael pest. Among those species said to eat this algae are the American Flag Killiefish (Jordanella floridae), Otocinclus Cats, Mollies, Platies, Siamese Algae Eaters and Rosy Barbs but not having used them for this purpose I can't confirm any of these fish for this use. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black beard > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 and > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good suggestion? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my plants and > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's short > > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone please > > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants away that > > it's growing on? > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37658	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Thanks, Lenny. Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? Well, him and his mystery snail pet. LOL I'll do further water changes, as advised first. The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I haven't even seen it yet. She's going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying to decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be my display tank wall! :) As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't think chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I copy/pasted it... "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is OLD and media might be an issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name recently to the AquaClear 110)" What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made the joke that she'd trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. When I ask them why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in Michigan. It's 5 hours away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock our pond i.e. "Lake Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL pics of the 'big tank' http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to learn and do, though! Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37659	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Could she not use the fishless cycle to keep and grow bacteria? Does require the test kit and pure ammonia. I finally found it at ACE hardware as Janatorial supply. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Since you already moved some gravel and plants, you want to move fish to the > tank too. Otherwise, with no source of ammonia, the good nitrifying > bacteria will start to starve and die off. The dirty gravel might have a > little detritus in it so that detritus will break down providing some > ammonia but it may not happen right away so you need at least a couple of > fish to keep the tank cycled. If you don't have any extra filter media in > your running tank, then you could take a handful of gravel and put it in a > media bag or stocking and put that in the filter reservoir of the new tank > and that will do even better at cycling the tank and getting the new filter > seeded properly. You might want to move a few more gallons of water from > the 10G to the old tank and move a few gallons of the old tank water to the > 10G so their waters are more identical so the fish you move will not get > shocked. Right now, you have two old gallons and eight new gallons in the > 10G and you want it at least 50/50. I hope the tap was dechlored when you > put it in the new 10G or the chlorine/chloramine will start to kill off the > good bacteria after a couple of minutes. > > By "55T", I'm guessing you mean 55G Tall tank (the G key is right below the > T key but you did type T three times so I want to be sure. Is it a hex > tank? I'm not familiar with a 55G Tall tank.. other than the hex. What are > the measurements? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T > > I set up another 10g tank. I put in 2g from my established tank in there and > filled the rest with tap. I then took out some of the live plants from the > established tank and part of it's gravel (dang, gravel was $14 a bag!! > decided to share). This was 48 hrs ago. Now that I know my Start Right is > useless... what else should I do or how long should I wait before adding any > fish to it? I'm in no rush but my trip to the LPS on Tuesday may prove > mighty tempting unless it's a no-no yet. > The reason for my trip to the LPS is to get a water test kit. I'll follow > the leads given earlier this week and test both the tank and the tap. No > idea what I'm looking for though. Hoping I can post my results here for > opinions. Should I forgo the fish until after my testing? hmmm... maybe > that's a dumb question. The impatient child in me coming out in spades. LOL > > For the 55T question.... a friend has a 55T set up she may sell me. I prefer > longs as there is both more surface air space per g. and more space for my > planting hopes. How will my allowed population differ in a tall tank? > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37660	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Prices on used equipment from people who are not hobbyists have gotten way out of line. As you have noted, most want a new price on used equipment, which is not justified. There are very few things that maintain their value, or have their value increase as they age. Offer no more than 50% of new price for used equipment. I'm sure you'll get turned down a lot, but, if you are going to buy used equipment for new prices, why not buy new? I'm sure that those who have been around for a while will back me up when I say that we used to get used setups for about $0.50 a gallon. Follow that along and you are talking about $30 for the 55 gallon setup--tank, stand, filter, hood, and heater. Now, probably a dollar or two would be fair. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. > Ford > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:24 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T > > Thanks, Lenny. > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? Well, him and his > mystery snail pet. LOL > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I haven't even seen it yet. She's > going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up > with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying to > decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc > - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is > but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be my display tank > wall! :) > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't think > chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I copy/pasted it... > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is OLD and media might be an > issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name recently to the AquaClear > 110)" > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made the joke that she'd > trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep > getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. When I ask them > why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of > driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in Michigan. It's 5 hours > away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock our pond i.e. "Lake > Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the > depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL > pics of the 'big tank' http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have > been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to learn and do, though! > > Janet >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37661	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

At Christmas I tested the used equipment market in the NJ area as my niece and nephew wanted a 55 gallon tank. $1 per gallon for the tank and 50% of the cost of new for other items is about right. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T Prices on used equipment from people who are not hobbyists have gotten way out of line. As you have noted, most want a new price on used equipment, which is not justified. There are very few things that maintain their value, or have their value increase as they age. Offer no more than 50% of new price for used equipment. I'm sure you'll get turned down a lot, but, if you are going to buy used equipment for new prices, why not buy new? I'm sure that those who have been around for a while will back me up when I say that we used to get used setups for about $0.50 a gallon. Follow that along and you are talking about $30 for the 55 gallon setup--tank, stand, filter, hood, and heater. Now, probably a dollar or two would be fair. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. > Ford > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:24 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T > > Thanks, Lenny. > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? Well, him and his > mystery snail pet. LOL > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I haven't even seen it yet. She's > going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up > with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying to > decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc > - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is > but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be my display tank > wall! :) > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't think > chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I copy/pasted it... > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is OLD and media might be an > issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name recently to the AquaClear > 110)" > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made the joke that she'd > trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep > getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. When I ask them > why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of > driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in Michigan. It's 5 hours > away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock our pond i.e. "Lake > Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the > depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL > pics of the 'big tank' http://www.ironwood <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html> kennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have > been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to learn and do, though! > > Janet > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37662	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Certainly, when setting up a new tank, one could seed it with gravel from an existing tank and then some filter media in the new filter system and then feed it 3-5 drops of plain ammonia per gallon, as needed, to get it fully cycled... but Janet mentioned going to the LFS on Tuesday so I don't think she was planning on waiting a week or two to get it fully cycled. Because of that, that's why I said to at least put a couple of fish in the 10G to at least keep the good bacteria alive. For others reading this... if you move "cycled" gravel, decorations and filter media to a new tank and then run the tank without an ammonia source, you basically wasted your efforts. The good nitrifying bacteria NEED a source of ammonia to keep them alive... so DO NOT move all of the cycled media to the new tank or quarantine tank until you bring home the new fish. Then, while you are acclimating the new fish, you can move the "cycled" stuff from an existing tank to the new/Q-tank and then when you add the new fish, they will provide the ammonia to keep the good bacteria alive and growing. One should still test the water to make sure it's cycling properly for the next couple of weeks to make sure you transferred enough "cycled" media over to the new/Q-tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T Could she not use the fishless cycle to keep and grow bacteria? Does require the test kit and pure ammonia. I finally found it at ACE hardware as Janatorial supply. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > Since you already moved some gravel and plants, you want to move fish > to the tank too. Otherwise, with no source of ammonia, the good > nitrifying bacteria will start to starve and die off. The dirty gravel > might have a little detritus in it so that detritus will break down > providing some ammonia but it may not happen right away so you need at > least a couple of fish to keep the tank cycled. If you don't have any > extra filter media in your running tank, then you could take a handful > of gravel and put it in a media bag or stocking and put that in the > filter reservoir of the new tank and that will do even better at > cycling the tank and getting the new filter seeded properly. You might > want to move a few more gallons of water from the 10G to the old tank > and move a few gallons of the old tank water to the 10G so their > waters are more identical so the fish you move will not get shocked. > Right now, you have two old gallons and eight new gallons in the 10G > and you want it at least 50/50. I hope the tap was dechlored when you > put it in the new 10G or the chlorine/chloramine will start to kill off the good bacteria after a couple of minutes. > > By "55T", I'm guessing you mean 55G Tall tank (the G key is right > below the T key but you did type T three times so I want to be sure. > Is it a hex tank? I'm not familiar with a 55G Tall tank.. other than > the hex. What are the measurements? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T > > I set up another 10g tank. I put in 2g from my established tank in > there and filled the rest with tap. I then took out some of the live > plants from the established tank and part of it's gravel (dang, gravel was $14 a bag!! > decided to share). This was 48 hrs ago. Now that I know my Start Right > is useless... what else should I do or how long should I wait before > adding any fish to it? I'm in no rush but my trip to the LPS on > Tuesday may prove mighty tempting unless it's a no-no yet. > The reason for my trip to the LPS is to get a water test kit. I'll > follow the leads given earlier this week and test both the tank and > the tap. No idea what I'm looking for though. Hoping I can post my > results here for opinions. Should I forgo the fish until after my > testing? hmmm... maybe that's a dumb question. The impatient child in > me coming out in spades. LOL > > For the 55T question.... a friend has a 55T set up she may sell me. I > prefer longs as there is both more surface air space per g. and more > space for my planting hopes. How will my allowed population differ in a tall tank? > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37663	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

No.. chlorine/chloramine should not be an issue with well water but it's always good to have your well tested by a lab (some county agencies do this also) on an annual basis. If heavy metals are an issue... or if the water comes through a lot of copper piping, then a basic dechlor that treats heavy metals might be in order... but probably not. Is your BIG home-made pond... actually, I think that would be considered a small lake... holding water OK? I looked at your website that it dries up every summer? Can your well be tapped (or a new well dug) to provide a constant supply of incoming water to replace the evaporation and seepage that is likely happening that causes it to dry up? There are some natural "fixes" to help slow down the seepage of a man-made lake which involves dispersing LOTS of powdered/granulated clay into the lake and the clay will eventually help seal up many of the leaks. Obviously, your lake is too large to ever consider a liner. Also with a small lake, you will need to lightly stock it... nothing like the kind of bioload that an aquarium or "normal" pond might have where we do constant maintenance on them to keep the ecology from becoming too polluted. That kind of maintenance is obviously not something you can do on a small lake. You will likely never get it very clear for a LONG time... if ever. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T Thanks, Lenny. Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? Well, him and his mystery snail pet. LOL I'll do further water changes, as advised first. The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I haven't even seen it yet. She's going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying to decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be my display tank wall! :) As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't think chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I copy/pasted it... "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is OLD and media might be an issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name recently to the AquaClear 110)" What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made the joke that she'd trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. When I ask them why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in Michigan. It's 5 hours away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock our pond i.e. "Lake Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL pics of the 'big tank' http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to learn and do, though! Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37664	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: old tank syndrome - update & requested info

So far, so good, no more fishy losses. I don't have a heater on it (it broke years ago), so the temp runs about 69 or a little more. The test that I've been using is the Jungle brand dipstick tests, so maybe that's why it was showing ammonia in the tap. I'll have to retest that one and maybe call the water dept. I work for the city too! (Animal Control). The filter I use is an AquaTech 30-60. Some of the fish seem to have come down with ick though, should I treat them for it now (I have some Wardley Essentials "Ick Away", it says it treats fungus and external parasites - it also says it's a malachite green formulation), or should I wait till the water gets better and I'm not doing water changes every other day? Thanks, Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37665	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Thank you Ray, very informed post there, I have flourish excel, but I don't think it will be enough to kill off the black beard algae in a 125 gallon tank, might take more than a few bottles of the stuff ;) I can definitely do more water changes if that is a good idea, I've been doing weekly 25% water changes and filter cleanings. I don't think I have any sensitive plants in the tank, my elodia is in the betta tank only. I already have platy's but I think they're failing to eat the algae, perhaps I'm feeding them too well for them to try eating the algae ;) I read on another site that if you use hydrogen peroxide to kill the algae that you should only use it in the morning when the lights are first turned on as the light will help dissipate the peroxide so it doesn't harm the fish as easily. Not sure if this is true or not. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Yes, using H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is a good suggestion, provided > you use it carefully. It can be used either locally (applied > directly to the algae with a syringe/turkey baster) or generally > (dosing the whole tank), both methods as Lenny suggests (and at the > suggested rate), but this product is an oxygenator and you need to be > careful not to get any concentration of it near any fish which could > pull it in past their gills (and burning them). Peroxide dissipates > fairly rapidly though, so this is seldom a problem -- just something > you need to watch out for as it can lead to misfortune. > > You can also use either Flourish Excel or Easy Carbo, both plant > fertilizers (liquid carbon - carbon in solution), which eliminates > any potential -- even if small -- problem. At normal dosage it's > safe for all fish and plants, and may be used against Black Beard > Algae at normal strength although at this level it may take several > weeks to eliminate this algae. Excessive Flourish Excel (or Easy > Carbo) will affect some plants sensitive to it, like any Valisneria > species, Egeria Densa (Brazilian Elodea), and Alternanthera > reineckii, etc., otherwise, provided you don't have such plants you > may use up to double the normal dosage for getting rid of this algae > within the week. > > Removal of this algae's needed nutrients, if it can be done, is the > best way of all of eliminating it as you'll then be getting right to > the source of the problem (other than its initial introduction to > your tank). By doing larger and more frequent water changes, enough > to keep your nitrates down below 15ppm (and preferably nearer 5ppm) > accompanied by your phosphates not exceeding 0.5ppm, will see the die > off of this algae; it thrives on an abundance of nitrates. > Additional populations of live plants will help ensure lower levels > of these nutrients in the water column. > > It is reported that a number of aquarium fish will consume this type > of algae, although not everyone would consider the addition of fish > otherwise not planned for just to eliminate this algael pest. Among > those species said to eat this algae are the American Flag Killiefish > (Jordanella floridae), Otocinclus Cats, Mollies, Platies, Siamese > Algae Eaters and Rosy Barbs but not having used them for this purpose > I can't confirm any of these fish for this use. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > beard > > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 > and > > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > suggestion? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my > plants and > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > short > > > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > please > > > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > away that > > > it's growing on? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37666	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

I got a 125 gallon tank with stand, hood, filters, sumps, extra food (didn't need that it's mostly saltwater stuff), and a python with a long hose attachment already, and a few other miscellanious items like sand which is sitting in a garbage can outside my condo ;). I got all of this for 250 dollars, more than reasonable for such a large tank and all of it's accessories. Granted this was a good deal because it was upstairs in a business and we had to carry it downstairs to the truck (the owner didn't want to move it, that's why she was selling it). Right after I got the tank i saw an add in the paper for a 90 gallon tank for 500 dollars! I couldn't believe they were trying to sell it for that considering what I got my 125 gallon tank for. My tip is to just wait until you find a good deal, don't settle for a higher priced tank just because you think it's all that you'll find, something better will always come along. If the lady wants too much for the 55 gallon setup, ask her what she wants for the empty 75 gallon tank, and see if it's a better deal since it comes with nothing. Of course you will have to build a stand for it, but that can be done cheaply, ask Lenny ;) And you can always use plexiglass for the hood until you can get a fancy hood for it, and just cut out spots for the filters/heaters etc. And put the lights over the top of the plexiglass, you can use a shop light from a hardware store and just get fluorescent bulbs that are "made for" plants. There are ways to make do with a plain tank and still use it well enough. My mom has been using plexiglass and a 10 gallon hood for her 20 gallon tank for over 10 years now, and it works just fine ;) Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Prices on used equipment from people who are not hobbyists have gotten > way out of line. As you have noted, most want a new price on used > equipment, which is not justified. There are very few things that > maintain their value, or have their value increase as they age. Offer no > more than 50% of new price for used equipment. I'm sure you'll get > turned down a lot, but, if you are going to buy used equipment for new > prices, why not buy new? I'm sure that those who have been around for a > while will back me up when I say that we used to get used setups for > about $0.50 a gallon. Follow that along and you are talking about $30 > for the 55 gallon setup--tank, stand, filter, hood, and heater. Now, > probably a dollar or two would be fair. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of J. > > Ford > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:24 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New set up - 10g & 55T > > > > Thanks, Lenny. > > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? > Well, him and his > > mystery snail pet. LOL > > > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I > haven't even seen it yet. She's > > going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g > (tall) tanks and ended up > > with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen > and now trying to > > decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no > stand, filter, heater, hood etc > > - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me > how big the 75g really is > > but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want > it to be my display tank > > wall! :) > > > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't > think > > chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I > copy/pasted it... > > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is > OLD and media might be an > > issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name > recently to the AquaClear > > 110)" > > > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made > the joke that she'd > > trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for > $1200 and up!) I keep > > getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new > prices. When I ask them > > why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No > kidding... I'd buy new instead of > > driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in > Michigan. It's 5 hours > > away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... > > > > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock > our pond i.e. "Lake > > Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. > It's BIG. I only know the > > depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL > > pics of the 'big tank' > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html > <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html> > Wild birds have > > been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to > learn and do, though! > > > > Janet > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info

Ich will stay around and possibly kill off fish while you're battling your other issues. Since you don't have a heater the ich will also take longer to get rid of, as the warmer the water the quicker they grow and release into the water, and you can't kill them until they are in the water column. Most people with ich on this group lately (me included) have done the heat/salt treatment to get rid of their ich. I have not used any chemicals so I can't attest to how good they work. It took me about a week to get rid of my ich when I raised the temps up to 87 ish and added the recommended salt, and did my usual PWC's and added new salt to the buckets of water that I was adding back to the tank (added the amount I was removing with the water changes). You might want to invest in a heater if you want to get rid of the ich faster, but make sure you keep using the recommended chemicals the recommended time, as if you quit early the ich could still be "hiding" in your tank. Amber marilyn barnett wrote: > > So far, so good, no more fishy losses. > > I don't have a heater on it (it broke years ago), so the temp runs > about 69 or a little more. > > The test that I've been using is the Jungle brand dipstick tests, so > maybe that's why it was showing ammonia in the tap. I'll have to > retest that one and maybe call the water dept. I work for the city > too! (Animal Control). > > The filter I use is an AquaTech 30-60. > > Some of the fish seem to have come down with ick though, should I > treat them for it now (I have some Wardley Essentials "Ick Away", it > says it treats fungus and external parasites - it also says it's a > malachite green formulation), or should I wait till the water gets > better and I'm not doing water changes every other day? > > Thanks, > Marilyn > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37668	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Amber, It is my understanding that as soon as it hits the water, it starts to lose the extra oxygen atom, and can, depending on the amount of DOC's in the water, dissipate quite rapidly. Light also has an effect on it, hence the brown bottle (now it is normally brown solid plastic, but it used to be a brown glass bottle--I think they just kept the brown color since most people were used to seeing it in brown glass. I did a quick Google, but the best I could find was that hydrogen peroxide is highly unstable in the environment. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > Thank you Ray, very informed post there, I have flourish excel, but I > don't think it will be enough to kill off the black beard algae in a 125 > gallon tank, might take more than a few bottles of the stuff ;) > I can definitely do more water changes if that is a good idea, I've been > doing weekly 25% water changes and filter cleanings. I don't think I > have any sensitive plants in the tank, my elodia is in the betta tank only. > I already have platy's but I think they're failing to eat the algae, > perhaps I'm feeding them too well for them to try eating the algae ;) > I read on another site that if you use hydrogen peroxide to kill the > algae that you should only use it in the morning when the lights are > first turned on as the light will help dissipate the peroxide so it > doesn't harm the fish as easily. Not sure if this is true or not. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, using H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is a good suggestion, provided > > you use it carefully. It can be used either locally (applied > > directly to the algae with a syringe/turkey baster) or generally > > (dosing the whole tank), both methods as Lenny suggests (and at the > > suggested rate), but this product is an oxygenator and you need to be > > careful not to get any concentration of it near any fish which could > > pull it in past their gills (and burning them). Peroxide dissipates > > fairly rapidly though, so this is seldom a problem -- just something > > you need to watch out for as it can lead to misfortune. > > > > You can also use either Flourish Excel or Easy Carbo, both plant > > fertilizers (liquid carbon - carbon in solution), which eliminates > > any potential -- even if small -- problem. At normal dosage it's > > safe for all fish and plants, and may be used against Black Beard > > Algae at normal strength although at this level it may take several > > weeks to eliminate this algae. Excessive Flourish Excel (or Easy > > Carbo) will affect some plants sensitive to it, like any Valisneria > > species, Egeria Densa (Brazilian Elodea), and Alternanthera > > reineckii, etc., otherwise, provided you don't have such plants you > > may use up to double the normal dosage for getting rid of this algae > > within the week. > > > > Removal of this algae's needed nutrients, if it can be done, is the > > best way of all of eliminating it as you'll then be getting right to > > the source of the problem (other than its initial introduction to > > your tank). By doing larger and more frequent water changes, enough > > to keep your nitrates down below 15ppm (and preferably nearer 5ppm) > > accompanied by your phosphates not exceeding 0.5ppm, will see the die > > off of this algae; it thrives on an abundance of nitrates. > > Additional populations of live plants will help ensure lower levels > > of these nutrients in the water column. > > > > It is reported that a number of aquarium fish will consume this type > > of algae, although not everyone would consider the addition of fish > > otherwise not planned for just to eliminate this algael pest. Among > > those species said to eat this algae are the American Flag Killiefish > > (Jordanella floridae), Otocinclus Cats, Mollies, Platies, Siamese > > Algae Eaters and Rosy Barbs but not having used them for this purpose > > I can't confirm any of these fish for this use. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > > beard > > > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 > > and > > > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > suggestion? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my > > plants and > > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > short > > > > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > please > > > > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > away that > > > > it's growing on? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37669	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Yeah. H2O2 basically becomes distilled water almost instantly when there are organics around... but you do want to make sure NONE of your fish are nearby when you squirt it as the oxidation would harm their gills if they were to get it squirted on or close enough to them. It's also good to turn off your filters/pumps when applying so the water isn't moving so quickly that the H2O2 is dissipated before it gets a chance to do a job on the algae. As much as you have, you might want to test your phosphates too. Like Ray said, normally 20ppm of nitrates is no big deal but since you have so much algae and the algae is sucking up nitrates... an yet you still have 20ppm.. it means that organic substrate is still putting out lots of fertilizers. In my goldfish tank, when I did let the algae start to grow too much, my nitrates were almost zero and no more than 5ppm. I remember you had to rush the process on that Walstad substrate so you didn't get a chance to air out the soil properly so PWC's is going to be the only thing that will lower the nitrates enough to start starving back the algae until the soil slows down on the leaching. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae Amber, It is my understanding that as soon as it hits the water, it starts to lose the extra oxygen atom, and can, depending on the amount of DOC's in the water, dissipate quite rapidly. Light also has an effect on it, hence the brown bottle (now it is normally brown solid plastic, but it used to be a brown glass bottle--I think they just kept the brown color since most people were used to seeing it in brown glass. I did a quick Google, but the best I could find was that hydrogen peroxide is highly unstable in the environment. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae > > Thank you Ray, very informed post there, I have flourish excel, but I > don't think it will be enough to kill off the black beard algae in a 125 > gallon tank, might take more than a few bottles of the stuff ;) I can > definitely do more water changes if that is a good idea, I've been > doing weekly 25% water changes and filter cleanings. I don't think I > have any sensitive plants in the tank, my elodia is in the betta tank only. > I already have platy's but I think they're failing to eat the algae, > perhaps I'm feeding them too well for them to try eating the algae ;) > I read on another site that if you use hydrogen peroxide to kill the > algae that you should only use it in the morning when the lights are > first turned on as the light will help dissipate the peroxide so it > doesn't harm the fish as easily. Not sure if this is true or not. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, using H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is a good suggestion, provided > > you use it carefully. It can be used either locally (applied > > directly to the algae with a syringe/turkey baster) or generally > > (dosing the whole tank), both methods as Lenny suggests (and at the > > suggested rate), but this product is an oxygenator and you need to be > > careful not to get any concentration of it near any fish which could > > pull it in past their gills (and burning them). Peroxide dissipates > > fairly rapidly though, so this is seldom a problem -- just something > > you need to watch out for as it can lead to misfortune. > > > > You can also use either Flourish Excel or Easy Carbo, both plant > > fertilizers (liquid carbon - carbon in solution), which eliminates > > any potential -- even if small -- problem. At normal dosage it's > > safe for all fish and plants, and may be used against Black Beard > > Algae at normal strength although at this level it may take several > > weeks to eliminate this algae. Excessive Flourish Excel (or Easy > > Carbo) will affect some plants sensitive to it, like any Valisneria > > species, Egeria Densa (Brazilian Elodea), and Alternanthera > > reineckii, etc., otherwise, provided you don't have such plants you > > may use up to double the normal dosage for getting rid of this algae > > within the week. > > > > Removal of this algae's needed nutrients, if it can be done, is the > > best way of all of eliminating it as you'll then be getting right to > > the source of the problem (other than its initial introduction to > > your tank). By doing larger and more frequent water changes, enough > > to keep your nitrates down below 15ppm (and preferably nearer 5ppm) > > accompanied by your phosphates not exceeding 0.5ppm, will see the die > > off of this algae; it thrives on an abundance of nitrates. > > Additional populations of live plants will help ensure lower levels > > of these nutrients in the water column. > > > > It is reported that a number of aquarium fish will consume this type > > of algae, although not everyone would consider the addition of fish > > otherwise not planned for just to eliminate this algael pest. Among > > those species said to eat this algae are the American Flag Killiefish > > (Jordanella floridae), Otocinclus Cats, Mollies, Platies, Siamese > > Algae Eaters and Rosy Barbs but not having used them for this purpose > > I can't confirm any of these fish for this use. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > > beard > > > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 > > and > > > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > suggestion? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my > > plants and > > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > short > > > > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > please > > > > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > away that > > > > it's growing on? > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info

You will also need to treat the Ich... and like Amber has already said, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEATER on a tropical tank and especially for treating Ich. Keeping tropical fish at too cool of a temperature will cause many stress/health issues.. and a dropping temperature is a big cause of an Ich outbreak. When you get the heater, you will have to slowly raise the temperature no more than 1F per hour and 2F per day until it's up to 86F+. The higher temps will speed up the lifecycle of the Ich parasite allowing the salt or meds to kill them. Remind us of what kind of fish you have again... as some fish do not tolerate salt well and others may not tolerated the malachite green very well. I remember something about a big pleco but not much else. There's none of the previous posts in this post so I don't even remember all of what was going on.. something about an un-maintained tank (and you work for Animal Control? shame! shame! ;-)), high nitrates (have you been doing daily PWC's to lower them?), etc. What are your water parameters like now? Were you the one getting 3.0ppm of ammonia in your tap? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info So far, so good, no more fishy losses. I don't have a heater on it (it broke years ago), so the temp runs about 69 or a little more. The test that I've been using is the Jungle brand dipstick tests, so maybe that's why it was showing ammonia in the tap. I'll have to retest that one and maybe call the water dept. I work for the city too! (Animal Control). The filter I use is an AquaTech 30-60. Some of the fish seem to have come down with ick though, should I treat them for it now (I have some Wardley Essentials "Ick Away", it says it treats fungus and external parasites - it also says it's a malachite green formulation), or should I wait till the water gets better and I'm not doing water changes every other day? Thanks, Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37671	From: marilyn barnett	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info

OK.  I will get a tank heater tomorrow while I'm out.  Yes, I'm the one with the ammonia coming from the tap, but I used dipsticks so it may not be accurate.  I checked the tank again today and it's really not changing all that much but I'm trying to go very slow so as not to shock the old Pleco (13 years old or more).  I've been doing 5% changes every other day.  Getting ready for tonight's change now as a matter of fact.    The other morning my readings on the tank were: Ammonia - just over 0 (less than .25) Nitrate - 200 Nitrite - between 0 &.5 GH - 300 KH - about midway between 0 & 40 pH - 6.8   In the tank I have old Pleco, 4 grown swordtails, some fry that I'll be giving away as soon as I get my water fixed : ), about 3 platies, 4 cherry barbs, 2 gold barbs, 2 ghost shrimp, and 7 red eye tetra and 1 glowlight tetra that was supposed to be a cherry barb!   By the way, thanks for the help.   I am an Animal Control Officer, but generally what I deal with has fur!!! But, I did once shut down a petshop with filthy fishtanks and poor birdies drinking nasty water.  We don't usually deal with fish though, unless someone gets evicted and has them!!!   Thanks, Marilyn --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:49 PM You will also need to treat the Ich... and like Amber has already said, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEATER on a tropical tank and especially for treating Ich. Keeping tropical fish at too cool of a temperature will cause many stress/health issues.. and a dropping temperature is a big cause of an Ich outbreak. When you get the heater, you will have to slowly raise the temperature no more than 1F per hour and 2F per day until it's up to 86F+. The higher temps will speed up the lifecycle of the Ich parasite allowing the salt or meds to kill them. Remind us of what kind of fish you have again... as some fish do not tolerate salt well and others may not tolerated the malachite green very well. I remember something about a big pleco but not much else. There's none of the previous posts in this post so I don't even remember all of what was going on.. something about an un-maintained tank (and you work for Animal Control? shame! shame! ;-)), high nitrates (have you been doing daily PWC's to lower them?), etc. What are your water parameters like now? Were you the one getting 3.0ppm of ammonia in your tap? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:23 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info So far, so good, no more fishy losses. I don't have a heater on it (it broke years ago), so the temp runs about 69 or a little more. The test that I've been using is the Jungle brand dipstick tests, so maybe that's why it was showing ammonia in the tap. I'll have to retest that one and maybe call the water dept. I work for the city too! (Animal Control). The filter I use is an AquaTech 30-60. Some of the fish seem to have come down with ick though, should I treat them for it now (I have some Wardley Essentials "Ick Away", it says it treats fungus and external parasites - it also says it's a malachite green formulation) , or should I wait till the water gets better and I'm not doing water changes every other day? Thanks, Marilyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37672	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Algae growth? Now Black beard algae

Yes, hydrogen peroxide is light sensitive, which is why it's bottled in either dark brown glass or dark brown plastic. You don't need to necessarily use it in the morning; it dissipates rapidly upon contact with H2O as it's very unstable. One of the main things to keep in mind when employing it is not to exceed 1 ounce per 10 gallons, whether used generally or locally. Then, to be careful to not allow fish nearby any concentrations of it if using it topically before it has a chance to dissipate. Keeping your nitrate below 15ppm would definitely help eliminate it and/or keep it from returning. I don't know what your nitrate level is now, but if it means that more PWC's would help (if your present nitrate level is much above this), then by all means, go for it. You should also check you tap water for its nitrate level if only to be assured it's not adding to this parameter. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Thank you Ray, very informed post there, I have flourish excel, but I > don't think it will be enough to kill off the black beard algae in a 125 > gallon tank, might take more than a few bottles of the stuff ;) > I can definitely do more water changes if that is a good idea, I've been > doing weekly 25% water changes and filter cleanings. I don't think I > have any sensitive plants in the tank, my elodia is in the betta tank only. > I already have platy's but I think they're failing to eat the algae, > perhaps I'm feeding them too well for them to try eating the algae ;) > I read on another site that if you use hydrogen peroxide to kill the > algae that you should only use it in the morning when the lights are > first turned on as the light will help dissipate the peroxide so it > doesn't harm the fish as easily. Not sure if this is true or not. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, using H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is a good suggestion, provided > > you use it carefully. It can be used either locally (applied > > directly to the algae with a syringe/turkey baster) or generally > > (dosing the whole tank), both methods as Lenny suggests (and at the > > suggested rate), but this product is an oxygenator and you need to be > > careful not to get any concentration of it near any fish which could > > pull it in past their gills (and burning them). Peroxide dissipates > > fairly rapidly though, so this is seldom a problem -- just something > > you need to watch out for as it can lead to misfortune. > > > > You can also use either Flourish Excel or Easy Carbo, both plant > > fertilizers (liquid carbon - carbon in solution), which eliminates > > any potential -- even if small -- problem. At normal dosage it's > > safe for all fish and plants, and may be used against Black Beard > > Algae at normal strength although at this level it may take several > > weeks to eliminate this algae. Excessive Flourish Excel (or Easy > > Carbo) will affect some plants sensitive to it, like any Valisneria > > species, Egeria Densa (Brazilian Elodea), and Alternanthera > > reineckii, etc., otherwise, provided you don't have such plants you > > may use up to double the normal dosage for getting rid of this algae > > within the week. > > > > Removal of this algae's needed nutrients, if it can be done, is the > > best way of all of eliminating it as you'll then be getting right to > > the source of the problem (other than its initial introduction to > > your tank). By doing larger and more frequent water changes, enough > > to keep your nitrates down below 15ppm (and preferably nearer 5ppm) > > accompanied by your phosphates not exceeding 0.5ppm, will see the die > > off of this algae; it thrives on an abundance of nitrates. > > Additional populations of live plants will help ensure lower levels > > of these nutrients in the water column. > > > > It is reported that a number of aquarium fish will consume this type > > of algae, although not everyone would consider the addition of fish > > otherwise not planned for just to eliminate this algael pest. Among > > those species said to eat this algae are the American Flag Killiefish > > (Jordanella floridae), Otocinclus Cats, Mollies, Platies, Siamese > > Algae Eaters and Rosy Barbs but not having used them for this purpose > > I can't confirm any of these fish for this use. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay after some more research I'm pretty sure that I have black > > beard > > > algae growing in my tank. I found a site that suggested using H2O2 > > and > > > squirting the algae directly in the morning. Is this a good > > suggestion? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay I have a different kind of algae growing on some of my > > plants and > > > > decorations, it will not scrape off with even my fingernail. It's > > short > > > > and fuzzy and so dark green it almost appears black. Can someone > > please > > > > tell me how to get rid of this? Do I need to throw the plants > > away that > > > > it's growing on? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37673	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: algae

Can algae live on snail shells? I noticed tonight that I have algae in my aquarium and it wasn't there before I bought it. Should I get another snail? or up the frequency of pwc? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37674	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

While a 65 gallon tank is tall (36"L x 18"W x 25"H), I know of no other 55 gallon tank besides the normal 48"L x 12" W x 21"H. These measurements are approximate only because I'm leaving off any fractions of inches. The 75 gallon tank takes up no more wall space as it too is 48" long (like the 55 gallon), although it is 6" wider at 18" wide, rather than just 12" wide. it allows for much more bottom area (and gaseous exchanging surface area). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > Thanks, Lenny. > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle it? Well, him and his mystery snail pet. LOL > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I haven't even seen it yet. She's going to measure it for me. She said she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up with a 75g and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying to decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc - just the tank and the 55g has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is but she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be my display tank wall! :) > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I don't think chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I copy/pasted it... > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is OLD and media might be an issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- that changed the name recently to the AquaClear 110)" > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she made the joke that she'd trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep getting replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. When I ask them why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of driving hours out of my way if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here in Michigan. It's 5 hours away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do... > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to stock our pond i.e. "Lake Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the depth cause the guy who dug it told me. LOL > pics of the 'big tank' http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have been helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to learn and do, though! > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37675	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: algae

Yes, algae can live on snail shells and is one way it can be introducing into the aquarium. Getting another snail at this point in time is not going to help you present algae condition, as this plant is obviously already in the water column. Once you correct the conditions that are now allowing it to spread, you will then also eliminate that algae which is growing on this snail. To eliminate this algae (and it may not have necessarily come in with the snail), you need to address the conditions which are promoting it, which would include nutrients abundant enough for the algae's liking as well as the lighting conditions going along with this which the algae enjoys. If, by your water parameters, it appears that PWC's are needed to reduce this organic waste, then it's prudent to make more frequent (or larger) PWC's provided your tap water contains much lesser amounts that won't be adding to it. You may also consider adding more live plants, which will help in using these nutrients, outcompeting the algae for it. You need also to look at your lighting situation, i.e., both its intensity and its duration. If the lights are kept on too long, this will go a long way it promoting algae's growth, especially in the absence of live plants, even with lower levels of nitrates. To act in concert if your lighting needs to be reduced, you may need to employ low-light-condition plants for starters; only adding increased- light-loving plants as noted algae presence (or lack of it) permits. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > Can algae live on snail shells? I noticed tonight that I have algae in my aquarium and it wasn't there before I bought it. Should I get another snail? or up the frequency of pwc? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37676	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: old tank syndrome - update & requested info

I don't think 5% every other day is going to improve it much.. but rather just keep it in check. That's less than 15-20% a week and under normal circumstances, with a big fish and other fish, you should probably be doing at least one 25% PWC a week. I would up it to 5% to 10% a day... or no less than 10% every other day until you slowly start seeing them nitrates start to come down. Keep vacuuming that gravel with each PWC also as the detritus in the gravel will continue to decay and contribute to high DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) and nitrate levels. Also swish and squeeze your filter media in the removed tank water each time to remove the excess detritus from the filter media. I don't think the ghost shrimp will do well with the Ick Away so double check that and maybe move the shrimp to a small container for the time being while you treat the tank for Ich. Are you positive it's Ich? Ich looks like the fish have been sprinkled with salt in worst case but can just have a few "grains of salt" starting out. If you do not see the grains of salt look, then it's not Ich. Tell us more of what you are seeing. Treating stressed fish with medicines that aren't the right kind can be just as bad as the disease so it's important to always double-verify the disease before treating. Here's some good Ich treatment pages. http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php http://fish.orbust.net/ich.html http://aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17 If you definitely do have Ich, you probably want to use a 50% dosage of the Ick Away since scaleless fish do not do as well with treatments for Ich... and the pleco, although armored, is also scaleless. You will also have to increase aeration and/or surface agitation on the tank as you raise the temperature as warm water does not hold O2 as well. You can raise your HOB filter an inch or lower the water level a little so that the waterfall from the HOB causes more splashing. If you have an airstone or bubbler, increase it to full steam also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info OK.  I will get a tank heater tomorrow while I'm out.  Yes, I'm the one with the ammonia coming from the tap, but I used dipsticks so it may not be accurate.  I checked the tank again today and it's really not changing all that much but I'm trying to go very slow so as not to shock the old Pleco (13 years old or more).  I've been doing 5% changes every other day.  Getting ready for tonight's change now as a matter of fact.    The other morning my readings on the tank were: Ammonia - just over 0 (less than .25) Nitrate - 200 Nitrite - between 0 &.5 GH - 300 KH - about midway between 0 & 40 pH - 6.8   In the tank I have old Pleco, 4 grown swordtails, some fry that I'll be giving away as soon as I get my water fixed : ), about 3 platies, 4 cherry barbs, 2 gold barbs, 2 ghost shrimp, and 7 red eye tetra and 1 glowlight tetra that was supposed to be a cherry barb!   By the way, thanks for the help.   I am an Animal Control Officer, but generally what I deal with has fur!!! But, I did once shut down a petshop with filthy fishtanks and poor birdies drinking nasty water.  We don't usually deal with fish though, unless someone gets evicted and has them!!!   Thanks, Marilyn --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:49 PM You will also need to treat the Ich... and like Amber has already said, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEATER on a tropical tank and especially for treating Ich. Keeping tropical fish at too cool of a temperature will cause many stress/health issues.. and a dropping temperature is a big cause of an Ich outbreak. When you get the heater, you will have to slowly raise the temperature no more than 1F per hour and 2F per day until it's up to 86F+. The higher temps will speed up the lifecycle of the Ich parasite allowing the salt or meds to kill them. Remind us of what kind of fish you have again... as some fish do not tolerate salt well and others may not tolerated the malachite green very well. I remember something about a big pleco but not much else. There's none of the previous posts in this post so I don't even remember all of what was going on.. something about an un-maintained tank (and you work for Animal Control? shame! shame! ;-)), high nitrates (have you been doing daily PWC's to lower them?), etc. What are your water parameters like now? Were you the one getting 3.0ppm of ammonia in your tap? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of marilyn barnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:23 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] old tank syndrome - update & requested info So far, so good, no more fishy losses. I don't have a heater on it (it broke years ago), so the temp runs about 69 or a little more. The test that I've been using is the Jungle brand dipstick tests, so maybe that's why it was showing ammonia in the tap. I'll have to retest that one and maybe call the water dept. I work for the city too! (Animal Control). The filter I use is an AquaTech 30-60. Some of the fish seem to have come down with ick though, should I treat them for it now (I have some Wardley Essentials "Ick Away", it says it treats fungus and external parasites - it also says it's a malachite green formulation) , or should I wait till the water gets better and I'm not doing water changes every other day? Thanks, Marilyn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

Glass Cages shows a 50L and a 50 Tall, as well as a 50 Square. Here are the measurements they give for each, along with a 55: 50 Long 48x 18 x 13 Tall 50 Tall 36 x 18 x 17 Tall 50 Square 30 x 31 x 13 Tall 55 Gal. 48 x 12½ x 21 Tall \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: New set up - 10g & 55T > > While a 65 gallon tank is tall (36"L x 18"W x 25"H), I know of no > other 55 gallon tank besides the normal 48"L x 12" W x 21"H. These > measurements are approximate only because I'm leaving off any > fractions of inches. The 75 gallon tank takes up no more wall space > as it too is 48" long (like the 55 gallon), although it is 6" wider > at 18" wide, rather than just 12" wide. it allows for much more > bottom area (and gaseous exchanging surface area). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks, Lenny. > > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle > it? Well, him and his mystery snail pet. LOL > > > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I > haven't even seen it yet. She's going to measure it for me. She said > she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up with a 75g > and the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now > trying to decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it > has no stand, filter, heater, hood etc - just the tank and the 55g > has everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is but > she doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it > to be my display tank wall! :) > > > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I > don't think chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I > copy/pasted it... > > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is > OLD and media might be an issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- > that changed the name recently to the AquaClear 110)" > > > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she > made the joke that she'd trade it for one of my brother's > newfoundland pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep getting > replies to my Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. > When I ask them why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." > Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of driving hours out of my way > if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here > in Michigan. It's 5 hours away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's > gotta do... > > > > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to > stock our pond i.e. "Lake Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please > don't ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the depth cause the > guy who dug it told me. LOL > > pics of the 'big tank' > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have been > helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to > learn and do, though! > > > > Janet > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: algae

Yes, algae can grow on snail shells. I've seen many apple and mystery snails with toupee's... some even with big-time Donald Trump type comb-overs. :-P My pleco used to suck the algae off my mystery snails when I had them and he was still little. Algae generally starts growing due to a few factors. High nitrogenous compound levels (nitrates at the end of the nitrogen cycle), phosphate levels, too much light, natural sunlight hitting the tank, etc. Doing more frequent PWC's to keep the nitrate and phosphate levels low (presuming you are not getting high levels from your tap) and shortening the amount of light on the tank will usually help slow it down. Non-planted tanks, technically do not even need lighting turned on... but of course, we like to see the tank better. Limit the time of lighting to 8 hours or less for non-planted tanks.. more for planted tanks depending on the plants and lighting. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] algae Can algae live on snail shells? I noticed tonight that I have algae in my aquarium and it wasn't there before I bought it. Should I get another snail? or up the frequency of pwc?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37679	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: New set up - 10g & 55T

And then there's the 65G Acrylic at GlassCages.com (my 65G) which is on a 48" x 18" footprint and only 17" tall. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: New set up - 10g & 55T Glass Cages shows a 50L and a 50 Tall, as well as a 50 Square. Here are the measurements they give for each, along with a 55: 50 Long 48x 18 x 13 Tall 50 Tall 36 x 18 x 17 Tall 50 Square 30 x 31 x 13 Tall 55 Gal. 48 x 12½ x 21 Tall \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: New set up - 10g & 55T > > While a 65 gallon tank is tall (36"L x 18"W x 25"H), I know of no > other 55 gallon tank besides the normal 48"L x 12" W x 21"H. These > measurements are approximate only because I'm leaving off any > fractions of inches. The 75 gallon tank takes up no more wall space > as it too is 48" long (like the 55 gallon), although it is 6" wider at > 18" wide, rather than just 12" wide. it allows for much more bottom > area (and gaseous exchanging surface area). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks, Lenny. > > Will the the Betta being moved to the new tank be enough to cycle > it? Well, him and his mystery snail pet. LOL > > > > I'll do further water changes, as advised first. > > > > The 55 G is a tall, yes. Or at least, that's what she tells me. I > haven't even seen it yet. She's going to measure it for me. She said > she was trying to get two 65g (tall) tanks and ended up with a 75g and > the 55g (tall). Kicking herself for buying sight unseen and now trying > to decided if she will sell one to me. I'd like the 75g but it has no > stand, filter, heater, hood etc - just the tank and the 55g has > everything. She's trying to warn me how big the 75g really is but she > doesn't understand I have a free wall in my office and I want it to be > my display tank wall! :) > > > > As for the tap water. It is well water out here in boonieland. I > don't think chlorine/chloramine is an issue, is it? > > > > She won't quote me price yet. But this is what she said... and I > copy/pasted it... > > "The 55h has a stand and lid and light too. The filter works but is > OLD and media might be an issue (I swear by the AquaClear 500 btw- > that changed the name recently to the AquaClear 110)" > > > > What can I expect as a fair price? She made me nervous when she > made the joke that she'd trade it for one of my brother's newfoundland > pups (which he sells for $1200 and up!) I keep getting replies to my > Craigslist ad that pretty much add up to new prices. > When I ask them why so high I get "well, that's what I paid for it." > Ugh! No kidding... I'd buy new instead of driving hours out of my way > if I wanted NEW prices! LOL > > > > If she wants too much, I'm waiting for the auction coming up here > in Michigan. It's 5 hours away but a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta > do... > > > > > > I'll consider it a warm up for this spring/summer when I have to > stock our pond i.e. "Lake Ironwood" which is 30' deep and please don't > ask me how long/wide. It's BIG. I only know the depth cause the guy > who dug it told me. LOL > > pics of the 'big tank' > http://www.ironwoodkennel.com/propertyPICS.html Wild birds have been > helping to stock it so may not need to do much. LOL Still much to > learn and do, though! > > > > Janet > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37680	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: simu-breeding

29 gallon tank that has a few fish in it, 2 bettas (1 pair),2 chocolate gouramis (1 pair), 4 Otocinlus, and 6 Panda corydoras. There are also about 15 Shrimp (red cherry and amano). Here is the issue the chocolate gouramis and the bettas have bred, and I have no place to put all of the babies. Now I would like to keep the Chocolate Gourami fry, because it is not very often that you see them in the store, but I don't want to just leave the betta fry to die. Secondly, how long should the leave the fry with either parent, to avoid cannibilism? To add to the issue the shrimp are breeding as well but, the cories make short work of the babies.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37681	From: Gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

What kind of Fry are we talking about? I currently have a batch of Convict Cichlid Fry in my 20 gallon. I don't typically use fry food, I just drop in shrimp pellets because they sink to the bottom and they "poof" out into eatable bits for the fry. This food lasts them a while, so I only put in a few pellets 2 times a day. So far my Fry stick to the bottom and roam around the gravel, I guess if your Fry are money makers... definitely use the filter block. Since my Fry; I can barely give them away, I believe in natural selection in my tank. If they become food.. so be it. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37682	From: bill1433	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Hi Gail,   What brand of shrimp pellets do you use that sink?   Bill --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 10:56 AM What kind of Fry are we talking about? I currently have a batch of Convict Cichlid Fry in my 20 gallon. I don't typically use fry food, I just drop in shrimp pellets because they sink to the bottom and they "poof" out into eatable bits for the fry. This food lasts them a while, so I only put in a few pellets 2 times a day. So far my Fry stick to the bottom and roam around the gravel, I guess if your Fry are money makers... definitely use the filter block. Since my Fry; I can barely give them away, I believe in natural selection in my tank. If they become food.. so be it. -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37683	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

I use omega one shrimp pellets (they say "sinking" on the side next to the omega one symbol). I don't give them to my fry, but I guess I could, never thought to ;) I use them for feeding my frog in between the frozen foods. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > What brand of shrimp pellets do you use that sink? > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a > question though. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 10:56 AM > > What kind of Fry are we talking about? > > I currently have a batch of Convict Cichlid Fry in my 20 gallon. > I don't typically use fry food, I just drop in shrimp pellets because > they sink to the bottom and they "poof" out into eatable bits for the > fry. This food lasts them a while, so I only put in a few pellets 2 > times a day. > So far my Fry stick to the bottom and roam around the gravel, I guess > if your Fry are money makers... definitely use the filter block. > Since my Fry; I can barely give them away, I believe in natural > selection in my tank. If they become food.. so be it. > > -gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37684	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Guppy fry -----Original Message----- From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:56 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. What kind of Fry are we talking about? I currently have a batch of Convict Cichlid Fry in my 20 gallon. I don't typically use fry food, I just drop in shrimp pellets because they sink to the bottom and they "poof" out into eatable bits for the fry. This food lasts them a while, so I only put in a few pellets 2 times a day. So far my Fry stick to the bottom and roam around the gravel, I guess if your Fry are money makers... definitely use the filter block. Since my Fry; I can barely give them away, I believe in natural selection in my tank. If they become food.. so be it. -gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..< º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37685	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding

You have 2 Bettas in one tank? Divided? I hope so as it is not suppose to work if they can get at each other... On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > 29 gallon tank that has a few fish in it, 2 bettas (1 pair),2 chocolate > gouramis (1 pair), 4 Otocinlus, and 6 Panda corydoras. There are also > about 15 Shrimp (red cherry and amano). Here is the issue the chocolate > gouramis and the bettas have bred, and I have no place to put all of > the babies. Now I would like to keep the Chocolate Gourami fry, because > it is not very often that you see them in the store, but I don't want > to just leave the betta fry to die. Secondly, how long should the leave > the fry with either parent, to avoid cannibilism? To add to the issue > the shrimp are breeding as well but, the cories make short work of the > babies. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37686	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding

I'm assuming by (1 pair) that it's a male and a female. Eventually a male/female pair will fight to the death, usually the female doesn't make it from what I've read, but I suppose that could vary with betta's. I've often considered getting my happy male a girlfriend, but didn't want to have to take her out again later after they lay eggs. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > You have 2 Bettas in one tank? Divided? I hope so as it is not > suppose to work if they can get at each other... > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > 29 gallon tank that has a few fish in it, 2 bettas (1 pair),2 chocolate > > gouramis (1 pair), 4 Otocinlus, and 6 Panda corydoras. There are also > > about 15 Shrimp (red cherry and amano). Here is the issue the chocolate > > gouramis and the bettas have bred, and I have no place to put all of > > the babies. Now I would like to keep the Chocolate Gourami fry, because > > it is not very often that you see them in the store, but I don't want > > to just leave the betta fry to die. Secondly, how long should the leave > > the fry with either parent, to avoid cannibilism? To add to the issue > > the shrimp are breeding as well but, the cories make short work of the > > babies. > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37687	From: Gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Wardley Premium Shrimp Pellets see this link for a pic and info http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00026Z444 I just buy mine at Wal Mart. It pleases all of my bottom feeders. They love them. :D

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37688	From: gail	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?

I just noticed that my Male Convict has a little pink/red cyst looking thing on one of his fins. I have observed all of my other fish in the tank, and I don't see any other cysts. But also keep in mind, my Convict just got a girlfriend and some fry; so he has been super Daddy fish and chasing all the other fish off. could this just be a battle wound? It is flesh colored with some red.   I am looking for any recommendations. I don't immediately think it's contagious. But I do carry Melafix. Would that be a good idea?   Any imput is appreciated. Thanks!! <3 Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37689	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: "Hard To Kill" plant package... (for Amber and others)

I was reading the most recent edition of TFH magazine (Tropical Fish Hobbyist) and there was an ad (an ad, not a recommendation) for AquaBotanic.com and they had a package of 27 plants for the beginner in their "Hard To Kill" package for $46.38 and then at checkout, if you put in the discount code TFHPLANT, you get another 10% off. They are located in Oregon so at least they are halfway close to Amber up there in Alaska. Here's the link to the package on their website. http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm Description... 27 plants 20 to 30 gallon. Double the order for 40 to 60 gallon 2 Java Fern 2 Anubias nana 3 Java Lace Fern 4 Cryptocoryne spiralis 6 Cryptocoryne wendtii small 1 Hornwort 2 Wisteria 10 Dwarf Sag (1 bunch) 1 Java moss Value 51.53 savings: 5.15 (NOTE from L.V. - this price is from the website but the $46.38 is the price in the TFH magazine and then there's the separate mention of the 10% discount code... but maybe the price of $46.38 included the discount... I just looked at the ad again and it doesn't say) lighting requirements: 1.5 to 2 watts per gallon C02 requirements: suggested but not required water conditions: hard or soft water temp: not critical fish compatibility: resistant to most plant nibblers Just to give a comparison... LiveAquaria.com (DrsFosterSmith.com "live" stuff sister site) has an aquarium plant package with just 11 (compared to 27 above) plants for $48.99. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=768+2147&pcatid=2147 This package has 34 plants for only $39.00 (so it's a better deal for total numbers but not sure on the individual plant prices) but I've heard good and bad about this company as far as their shipping charges so make sure you get the final price including shipping and get it all in writing... and maybe check them out at BBBonline.com too. http://www.azgardens.com/p-126-easy-life-habitat-10-gal.aspx 1 Anacharis 2 Blood Stargrass 3 Japanese Fans 1 Dwarf Lily Plant 4 Dwarf Onions 1 Ambulia 10 Tall Sagittaria subulata 1 small red-spot Ozelot sword 8 Crypt Walkeri 3 Java Ferns Fertilizer Hope this helps folks thinking about getting started with live plants. I'm sure there are many other good websites for ordering easy-to-care for plant packages. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37690	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?

I wouldn't medicate yet... and Melafix wouldn't be the med to use at this time anyhow. I'm not sure about Convict Cichlids but I know goldfish can/will get cysts in their tail fins that are caused by stress and related to KHV/CHV (Koi/Carp Herpes Virus)... much like a human might get a cold sore/fever blister from a similar virus. We barely have medications to treat viruses for humans so there's not much in the way of treatment for fish yet. If it is a stress related cyst, it will go away on it's own as the stress levels go down. If the cyst keeps growing and eventually pops where there is an open sore, there are topical treatments we use on goldfish, such as swabbing the injury with hydrogen peroxide or some use iodine and then treating the affected area with a topical antibiotic cream.. the same kind we use for our own minor injuries. If you don't feel up to that, then Melafix in the water column is OK and won't adversely affect the other fish or your good nitrifying bacteria. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cyst ~ possible symptom of illness? I just noticed that my Male Convict has a little pink/red cyst looking thing on one of his fins. I have observed all of my other fish in the tank, and I don't see any other cysts. But also keep in mind, my Convict just got a girlfriend and some fry; so he has been super Daddy fish and chasing all the other fish off. could this just be a battle wound? It is flesh colored with some red.   I am looking for any recommendations. I don't immediately think it's contagious. But I do carry Melafix. Would that be a good idea?   Any imput is appreciated. Thanks!! <3 Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37691	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding

In a message dated 2/23/2009 4:11:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, uneekfish@... writes: You have 2 Bettas in one tank? Divided? I hope so as it is not suppose to work if they can get at each other... I have had 4 bettas in the same tank, it took me awhile to get them used to each other but it can be done. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37692	From: bill1433	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though.

Thanks Gail,   Appreciate the link and also the Wally-World tip! I'll have to watch for them on the next trip.   Bill --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have my first batch of fry. I do have a question though. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:36 PM Wardley Premium Shrimp Pellets see this link for a pic and info http://www.amazon com/gp/product/ B00026Z444 I just buy mine at Wal Mart. It pleases all of my bottom feeders. They love them. :D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37693	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding

Contrary to popular belief if given enough space and hiding places, it actually works in the same tank. I have 1 male and 1 female in a 29 gallon tank and there is a bubblenest with eggs in it, so I am assuming that it actually works. They were originally in a tank with a divider and the female would find a way to get to the other side and couldn't get back over to safety so they were put in the main tank and I was gonna take them back to the store this weekend but now there are eggs. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > You have 2 Bettas in one tank? Divided? I hope so as it is not > suppose to work if they can get at each other... > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > 29 gallon tank that has a few fish in it, 2 bettas (1 pair),2 chocolate > > gouramis (1 pair), 4 Otocinlus, and 6 Panda corydoras. There are also > > about 15 Shrimp (red cherry and amano). Here is the issue the chocolate > > gouramis and the bettas have bred, and I have no place to put all of > > the babies. Now I would like to keep the Chocolate Gourami fry, because > > it is not very often that you see them in the store, but I don't want > > to just leave the betta fry to die. Secondly, how long should the leave > > the fry with either parent, to avoid cannibilism? To add to the issue > > the shrimp are breeding as well but, the cories make short work of the > > babies. > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37694	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: simu-breeding

Well amber here is what I would suggest for you then. Buy one of those removeable dividers that they sell at Petco, and the after the deed is done seperate the two without removing either but from what I've read both will have to be moved once the fry are free swimming --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I'm assuming by (1 pair) that it's a male and a female. Eventually a > male/female pair will fight to the death, usually the female doesn't > make it from what I've read, but I suppose that could vary with betta's. > I've often considered getting my happy male a girlfriend, but didn't > want to have to take her out again later after they lay eggs. > > Amber > > Harl Myers wrote: > > > > You have 2 Bettas in one tank? Divided? I hope so as it is not > > suppose to work if they can get at each other... > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > 29 gallon tank that has a few fish in it, 2 bettas (1 pair),2 chocolate > > > gouramis (1 pair), 4 Otocinlus, and 6 Panda corydoras. There are also > > > about 15 Shrimp (red cherry and amano). Here is the issue the chocolate > > > gouramis and the bettas have bred, and I have no place to put all of > > > the babies. Now I would like to keep the Chocolate Gourami fry, because > > > it is not very often that you see them in the store, but I don't want > > > to just leave the betta fry to die. Secondly, how long should the leave > > > the fry with either parent, to avoid cannibilism? To add to the issue > > > the shrimp are breeding as well but, the cories make short work of the > > > babies. > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37695	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Quick question, I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 neon tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red eye tetra. I recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I think they are lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I added a fish before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. Is this true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion so I wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous addition to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would have to be moved anyway. thanks Ken **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37696	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

At an inch and a half I don't see them posing a problem (yet), but as you said they will grow in size, and grow they will!. They are nice looking fish and normally very long-living under proper conditions. The Females will get to about 9" and the males will get to about 7" (and they have good sized mouths). I don't know at what size you plan on moving these fish to other quarters -- before they make lunch of your Neon and Cardinal Tetras -- but they belong with larger fish, not fish that they can eventually snack on, which may be sooner rather than later. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Iksnip@... wrote: > > Quick question, > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 neon > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red eye tetra. I > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I think they are > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I added a fish > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. Is this > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion so I wanted to > throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous addition to my > tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would have to be moved anyway. > > thanks > > Ken > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37697	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

http://fish.mongabay.com is a GREAT place to start researching fish "before" you buy. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the Striped Raphael Catfish, clearly states... (START SNIP) Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to feed at dusk. (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iksnip@... Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish Quick question, I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 neon tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red eye tetra. I recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I think they are lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I added a fish before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. Is this true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion so I wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous addition to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would have to be moved anyway. thanks Ken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37698	From: Gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

I have one of these and I haven't had any problems. And so far; he doesn't seem to grow incredibly fast. I keep mine in my Cichlid tank and he does wonderfully. I actually hope he will help keep my convicts under control, because they want to populate the earth. But I have yet to see him eat any of my fish, or try. He usually just hides in a cave and comes out every once in a while. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37699	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

They, like many catfish, are nocturnal.. or mostly nocturnal.. so once he's big enough, count your fish in the morning to see if he had any luck getting his midnight snack! ;-) Of course... Cichlids are a whole different matter compared to tetras. Cichlid parents are notorious for protecting their broods so the parents may just keep the SR Catfish in line when it comes to him munching on their kids. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish I have one of these and I haven't had any problems. And so far; he doesn't seem to grow incredibly fast. I keep mine in my Cichlid tank and he does wonderfully. I actually hope he will help keep my convicts under control, because they want to populate the earth. But I have yet to see him eat any of my fish, or try. He usually just hides in a cave and comes out every once in a while. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37700	From: Gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: cyst ~ possible symptom of illness?

Maybe it is stress related. He just became a dad - again. So he is very much on the defense with his new batch of fry and the fact that his mate is very small and cannot defend the babies. Thanks for the advice. I will keep my eye on it. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37701	From: gail	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Update: my Cloudy 55 gallon < green water

Okay, I want to first thank Lenny G. My 55 Gallon was cloudy with GREEN water and I could barely see my fish for MONTHS.    After following Lenny's advice on filter cleaning and care; my bio wheel on my Penguin is now always turning.My algae blooms are gone. And you can see my fish. I now, religiously follow the recommended filter maintenance, cleaning and weekly PWC with always vaccuming the gravel, I have a much clearer tank.   Thanks again!!!   In fact, my husband keeps pointing out different fish, asking "when did you get that one?" And the funny part is every fish he points out, I have had for a while; but you couldn't see them! :D i will try to post pics soon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37702	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With fish of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as the size Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow down on such midnight snacks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > http://fish.mongabay.com is a GREAT place to start researching fish "before" > you buy. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the Striped > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > (START SNIP) > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, > and comes out to feed at dusk. > (END SNIP) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Iksnip@... > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > Quick question, > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 neon > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red eye > tetra. I > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I think they > are > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I added a fish > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. Is this > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion so I > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous addition > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would have to be > moved anyway. > > thanks > > Ken >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37703	From: Tania	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Gourami swimming head down, help!

Help! My Gourami is swimming head down! What meds do I give? He's in a QT tank now. Thanks, Tania

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37704	From: David Keymel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami swimming head down, help!

Do you mean upside down or pointing down so his tail is up? That sounds rather odd... On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Tania <fitprota@...> wrote: > Help! My Gourami is swimming head down! What meds do I give? He's in a QT > tank now. > Thanks, > Tania > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37705	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't kill me, I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it in my 125 gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt tetras in the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I think. He hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even know that I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With fish > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as the size > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow down on > such midnight snacks. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> is a GREAT place > to start researching > fish "before" > > you buy. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the > Striped > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > (START SNIP) > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over 2" > (5 cm), > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides during > the day, > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > (END SNIP) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Iksnip@... > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > Quick question, > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 > neon > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red > eye > > tetra. I > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > think they > > are > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > added a fish > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. > Is this > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion > so I > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous > addition > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would > have to be > > moved anyway. > > > > thanks > > > > Ken > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37706	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter fish come to learn this. From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild mannered and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go after other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go so far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could fit in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not pass up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix very different sized fish. Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide during the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't kill me, > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it in my 125 > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt tetras in > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I think. He > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even know that > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With fish > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as the size > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow down on > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> is a GREAT place > > to start researching > > fish "before" > > > you buy. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the > > Striped > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > (START SNIP) > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over 2" > > (5 cm), > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides during > > the day, > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are 10 > > neon > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 red > > eye > > > tetra. I > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > think they > > > are > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > added a fish > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the tetra. > > Is this > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion > > so I > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a dangerous > > addition > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would > > have to be > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37707	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped Raphael catfish. In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I think the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all the time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but hates the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom understands that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get the 2 catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael catfish I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and leave out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had before, but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and the glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard to lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it this way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is usually the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as it used to ;) Amber Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter fish > come to learn this. > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild mannered > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go after > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go so > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could fit > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not pass > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix very > different sized fish. > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide during > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > kill me, > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it in > my 125 > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt tetras > in > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I think. He > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even know > that > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > fish > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as the > size > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow down on > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> is a GREAT > place > > > to start researching > > > fish "before" > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the > > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over > 2" > > > (5 cm), > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > during > > > the day, > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are > 10 > > > neon > > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 > red > > > eye > > > > tetra. I > > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > > think they > > > > are > > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > > added a fish > > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the > tetra. > > > Is this > > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion > > > so I > > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a > dangerous > > > addition > > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would > > > have to be > > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37708	From: greychildren	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: java moss

Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37709	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: java moss

Try checking on aquabid.com There was some available last month for a good price. Amber greychildren wrote: > > Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida > an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys > know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37710	From: Debra	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: java moss

I have some I can send you. I blieve it is Christmas moss. Email your address to: dmelton2@... Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@...> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:51:24 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] java moss Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37711	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: File - Pending

Please re-join our group. I think one of the moderators may have inadvertently denied your membership since your reply to this email was all the way down at the bottom. I am copy/pasting your reply below my signature so the other moderators will see it. Sorry for the mix up. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com Hi moderators iam dhana frm chn having a 36 gallon aqrm for past 1 yr i have 4 gld fishes 2 lion head and 2 fancy tails iam interested in learning more abt aquatic culture regards -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife-owner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife-owner@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DHANABALAN GS Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:14 PM To: AquaticLife Moderator Subject: Re: File - Pending --- On Wed, 25/2/09, AquaticLife Moderator <AquaticLife-owner@yahoogroups.com> wrote: From: AquaticLife Moderator <AquaticLife-owner@yahoogroups.com> Subject: File - Pending To: dhanabal_se@... Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 10:23 AM Hello, Thank You for your interest in the Aquatic Life Yahoo Group. Your membership request has been submitted. If you are attempting to join via email OR if you did not complete the "Comment Section" on the JOIN page, giving us a brief statement as to why you would like to join, we will not be able to properly assess your request to join. If you did include a comment on the JOIN page, then your membership should be approved shortly. If you did NOT include a comment or applied via email, please reply to this email and give us a brief statement as to why you would like to join our group. Your membership will be approved as soon as one of the moderators has an opportunity to review your message. This is a necessary process to prevent spammers and malicious "bots" from gaining access to the group. You will receive a confirmation email when your membership has been approved. We thank you in advance for your understanding in this matter and look forward to your active participation in the group. To contact the Moderators directly, you can send an email to ~ List owner: AquaticLife-owner@yahoogroups.com ~ this address is also available at the bottom of the Groups Home page ~ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Hi moderators iam dhana frm chn having a 36 gallon aqrm for past 1 yr i have 4 gld fishes 2 lion head and 2 fancy tails iam interested in learning more abt aquatic culture regards

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37712	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much more concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its potential for gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say that that behavior is not the norm for this species. Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer (and more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will penetrate the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the fish from the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are finely barbed in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets too; one to guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less stress from chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from this pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the Raphael cat. You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped Raphael cat is recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given proper care, they're very long lived. While you won't have to put him in your will, as you would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not fish), my pair is still going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray ---- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > Raphael catfish. > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I think > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all the > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but hates > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom understands > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get the 2 > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael catfish > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and leave > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had before, > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and the > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard to > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it this > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is usually > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as it > used to ;) > > Amber > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter fish > > come to learn this. > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild mannered > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go after > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go so > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could fit > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not pass > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix very > > different sized fish. > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide during > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > kill me, > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it in > > my 125 > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt tetras > > in > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I think. He > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even know > > that > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > fish > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as the > > size > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow down on > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> is a GREAT > > place > > > > to start researching > > > > fish "before" > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for the > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes over > > 2" > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > during > > > > the day, > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank are > > 10 > > > > neon > > > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, and 3 > > red > > > > eye > > > > > tetra. I > > > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > > > think they > > > > > are > > > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > > > added a fish > > > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the > > tetra. > > > > Is this > > > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in opinion > > > > so I > > > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a > > dangerous > > > > addition > > > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they would > > > > have to be > > > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37713	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Cichlid stock

I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various other web sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better than "theory". I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, same for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that is the same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess will do). I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about conflicts here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. Thanks for any help Garry. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Wow, I didn't know they lived that long, thanks Ray. My dad wants me to take the pictus catfish, and actually keeps asking me when I'm going to ;) I'm not sure if he's permanently stunted from being in a small tank though, he's been in there for probably 10 years maybe even longer, and he's only about 4 inches long. The Raphael catfish is only maybe 3 inches, and has only been in there for a couple of years. Both are in a 20 gallon tank with 5 tetras (thankfully that's all). Mom tried getting glofish last year, but the pictus or possibly the overloaded tank might have killed them (mom kept finding them stuck to the filter intake though, or not at all). I still have the 55 empty, and with my income tax refund was going to get it up and running and swap some fish over into that tank, probably all the small fish (guppy's, platy's, dwarf gourami, and glofish danio's). Then I will go try to catch the 2 catfish. I knew that they had spines already and can't be caught with a regular net, so I was going to use the net to scare them into a Tupperware container, and then scoop them out that way. The sriped raphael catfish might just be the easier one to catch since he's always hiding in an ornament. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much > more concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its > potential for gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). > They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", > although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more > aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going > after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say > that that behavior is not the norm for this species. > > Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish > being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see > either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of > his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer > (and more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will > penetrate the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the > fish from the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are > finely barbed in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets > too; one to guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less > stress from chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! > > I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from > this pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the > Raphael cat. You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped > Raphael cat is recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given > proper care, they're very long lived. While you won't have to put > him in your will, as you would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not > fish), my pair is still going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray > > ---- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > > Raphael catfish. > > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I > think > > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all > the > > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but > hates > > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom > understands > > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get > the 2 > > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael > catfish > > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and > leave > > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had > before, > > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and > the > > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard > to > > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it > this > > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is > usually > > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as > it > > used to ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter > fish > > > come to learn this. > > > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild > mannered > > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go > after > > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go > so > > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could > fit > > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not > pass > > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix > very > > > different sized fish. > > > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide > during > > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > > kill me, > > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it > in > > > my 125 > > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt > tetras > > > in > > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I > think. He > > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even > know > > > that > > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > > fish > > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as > the > > > size > > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow > down on > > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>>> is a GREAT > > > place > > > > > to start researching > > > > > fish "before" > > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for > the > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes > over > > > 2" > > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > > during > > > > > the day, > > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank > are > > > 10 > > > > > neon > > > > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, > and 3 > > > red > > > > > eye > > > > > > tetra. I > > > > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > > > > think they > > > > > > are > > > > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > > > > added a fish > > > > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the > > > tetra. > > > > > Is this > > > > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in > opinion > > > > > so I > > > > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a > > > dangerous > > > > > addition > > > > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they > would > > > > > have to be > > > > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37715	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

Were you planning to have separate tanks or all in the same tank? Oscars easily grow to 12" to 14" and live long lives if kept in a large enough aquarium. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html Angelfish grow to 6" long but 9" tall for the P. scalare species, thus needing not only a decent sized tank, but also a tall enough tank. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm I'm guessing your other 5-6 various fish will also be decent sized fish??? Oscars and angelfish are not seen together in aquariums very often... usually because the Oscars are often kept in undersized tanks which then have to be over filtered to compensate for their bioload... and then the over filtering isn't as good for the angelfish which being such tall fish, get tossed around too much for their liking. Angelfish like planted tanks and Oscars like to tear up planted tanks. To be on the safe side with a tank that will not need a ton of maintenance... maybe just weekly and normal filtration... and also have enough room for the fish so they do not have lots of territorial issues, then figure 75G for each Oscar, 35G for each Angelfish and appropriate volume for each of the other fish that you plan. You're probably looking for at least 300G+ (8'+ long), even bigger if your other fish were going to be big, to give them enough water volume and room to grow into healthy, happy non-stunted adult sized fish. If you are talking multiple tanks, let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various other web sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better than "theory". I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, same for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that is the same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess will do). I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about conflicts here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. Thanks for any help Garry.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37716	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Amber, Did you see my recent post of some plant sales? I never saw a reply from you. I put the same info in my Planted Tank blog if you don't want to hunt it down on here. One of them plant packages (for each tank) would go a long way in getting your tanks "planted" better... since you have some money coming in that you loaned Uncle Sam for the past year. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish Wow, I didn't know they lived that long, thanks Ray. My dad wants me to take the pictus catfish, and actually keeps asking me when I'm going to ;) I'm not sure if he's permanently stunted from being in a small tank though, he's been in there for probably 10 years maybe even longer, and he's only about 4 inches long. The Raphael catfish is only maybe 3 inches, and has only been in there for a couple of years. Both are in a 20 gallon tank with 5 tetras (thankfully that's all). Mom tried getting glofish last year, but the pictus or possibly the overloaded tank might have killed them (mom kept finding them stuck to the filter intake though, or not at all). I still have the 55 empty, and with my income tax refund was going to get it up and running and swap some fish over into that tank, probably all the small fish (guppy's, platy's, dwarf gourami, and glofish danio's). Then I will go try to catch the 2 catfish. I knew that they had spines already and can't be caught with a regular net, so I was going to use the net to scare them into a Tupperware container, and then scoop them out that way. The sriped raphael catfish might just be the easier one to catch since he's always hiding in an ornament. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much more > concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its potential for > gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). > They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", > although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more > aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going > after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say > that that behavior is not the norm for this species. > > Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish > being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see > either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of > his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer (and > more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will penetrate > the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the fish from > the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are finely barbed > in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets too; one to > guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less stress from > chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! > > I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from this > pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the Raphael cat. > You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped Raphael cat is > recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given proper care, they're > very long lived. While you won't have to put him in your will, as you > would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not fish), my pair is still > going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray > > ---- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > > Raphael catfish. > > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I > think > > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all > the > > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but > hates > > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom > understands > > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get > the 2 > > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael > catfish > > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and > leave > > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had > before, > > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and > the > > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard > to > > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it > this > > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is > usually > > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as > it > > used to ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter > fish > > > come to learn this. > > > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild > mannered > > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go > after > > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go > so > > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could > fit > > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not > pass > > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix > very > > > different sized fish. > > > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide > during > > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > > kill me, > > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it > in > > > my 125 > > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt > tetras > > > in > > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I > think. He > > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even > know > > > that > > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > > fish > > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as > the > > > size > > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow > down on > > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>>> is a GREAT > > > place > > > > > to start researching > > > > > fish "before" > > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for > the > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes > over > > > 2" > > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > > during > > > > > the day, > > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37717	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

with regards to catching the catfish, May I suggest a largish plastic funnel ?. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish Wow, I didn't know they lived that long, thanks Ray. My dad wants me to take the pictus catfish, and actually keeps asking me when I'm going to ;) I'm not sure if he's permanently stunted from being in a small tank though, he's been in there for probably 10 years maybe even longer, and he's only about 4 inches long. The Raphael catfish is only maybe 3 inches, and has only been in there for a couple of years. Both are in a 20 gallon tank with 5 tetras (thankfully that's all). Mom tried getting glofish last year, but the pictus or possibly the overloaded tank might have killed them (mom kept finding them stuck to the filter intake though, or not at all). I still have the 55 empty, and with my income tax refund was going to get it up and running and swap some fish over into that tank, probably all the small fish (guppy's, platy's, dwarf gourami, and glofish danio's). Then I will go try to catch the 2 catfish. I knew that they had spines already and can't be caught with a regular net, so I was going to use the net to scare them into a Tupperware container, and then scoop them out that way. The sriped raphael catfish might just be the easier one to catch since he's always hiding in an ornament. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much > more concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its > potential for gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). > They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", > although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more > aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going > after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say > that that behavior is not the norm for this species. > > Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish > being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see > either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of > his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer > (and more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will > penetrate the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the > fish from the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are > finely barbed in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets > too; one to guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less > stress from chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! > > I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from > this pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the > Raphael cat. You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped > Raphael cat is recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given > proper care, they're very long lived. While you won't have to put > him in your will, as you would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not > fish), my pair is still going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray > > ---- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > > Raphael catfish. > > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I > think > > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all > the > > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but > hates > > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom > understands > > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get > the 2 > > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael > catfish > > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and > leave > > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had > before, > > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and > the > > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard > to > > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it > this > > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is > usually > > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as > it > > used to ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter > fish > > > come to learn this. > > > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild > mannered > > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go > after > > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go > so > > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could > fit > > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not > pass > > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix > very > > > different sized fish. > > > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide > during > > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > > kill me, > > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it > in > > > my 125 > > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt > tetras > > > in > > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I > think. He > > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even > know > > > that > > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > > fish > > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as > the > > > size > > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow > down on > > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>>> is a GREAT > > > place > > > > > to start researching > > > > > fish "before" > > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for > the > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes > over > > > 2" > > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > > during > > > > > the day, > > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank > are > > > 10 > > > > > neon > > > > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, > and 3 > > > red > > > > > eye > > > > > > tetra. I > > > > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > > > > think they > > > > > > are > > > > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > > > > added a fish > > > > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the > > > tetra. > > > > > Is this > > > > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in > opinion > > > > > so I > > > > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a > > > dangerous > > > > > addition > > > > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they > would > > > > > have to be > > > > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37718	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

Yes I am talking possibly as little as 3 tanks to go with the ones I already have, my wife is going to throw a fit if I go over 12, I was aiming at one for the Oscars, one for the Angel fish, and one for the various. I was wondering which kind of cichlids would be "happy" with each other in the latter rather than seeing blood on the walls so to speak and any that would get stroppy with new additions are obviously going to have to be added after the others are in situ, so any advice there as to who is going to kick of at a new face would be helpfull. When you say 75G etc do you mean US or imperial gallons as I live in the UK. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock Were you planning to have separate tanks or all in the same tank? Oscars easily grow to 12" to 14" and live long lives if kept in a large enough aquarium. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html Angelfish grow to 6" long but 9" tall for the P. scalare species, thus needing not only a decent sized tank, but also a tall enough tank. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm I'm guessing your other 5-6 various fish will also be decent sized fish??? Oscars and angelfish are not seen together in aquariums very often... usually because the Oscars are often kept in undersized tanks which then have to be over filtered to compensate for their bioload... and then the over filtering isn't as good for the angelfish which being such tall fish, get tossed around too much for their liking. Angelfish like planted tanks and Oscars like to tear up planted tanks. To be on the safe side with a tank that will not need a ton of maintenance... maybe just weekly and normal filtration... and also have enough room for the fish so they do not have lots of territorial issues, then figure 75G for each Oscar, 35G for each Angelfish and appropriate volume for each of the other fish that you plan. You're probably looking for at least 300G+ (8'+ long), even bigger if your other fish were going to be big, to give them enough water volume and room to grow into healthy, happy non-stunted adult sized fish. If you are talking multiple tanks, let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various other web sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better than "theory". I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, same for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that is the same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess will do). I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about conflicts here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. Thanks for any help Garry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

I was talking U.S. gallons so you'll have to do the conversions. I don't know why we have a smaller "gallon" from you all since our forefathers were, for a big part, from the UK. Go figure. LOL One day, I'm gonna have to do some research and reading on the history of the UK and US gallons to see where the disparity came from. Well, two Oscars will still need the largest tank... at least 6'... 8' would be better.. and at least 150G U.S. A nicely planted 120G+ U.S. "Tall" tank would make for a very nice display tank for the Angelfish colony. The others would depend on the species. If you go to http://fish.mongabay.com and use their search page, you can find good profiles/care sheets on most fish and their profiles include a section on water chemistry, social behavior, etc... and a section I like that most other profiles do not include which is a SC (Suggested Companions) section which will give you a starting point of which fish usually do OK with other fish... but remember, the fish do not always read the same things we do so these guidelines do not always work. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock Yes I am talking possibly as little as 3 tanks to go with the ones I already have, my wife is going to throw a fit if I go over 12, I was aiming at one for the Oscars, one for the Angel fish, and one for the various. I was wondering which kind of cichlids would be "happy" with each other in the latter rather than seeing blood on the walls so to speak and any that would get stroppy with new additions are obviously going to have to be added after the others are in situ, so any advice there as to who is going to kick of at a new face would be helpfull. When you say 75G etc do you mean US or imperial gallons as I live in the UK. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock Were you planning to have separate tanks or all in the same tank? Oscars easily grow to 12" to 14" and live long lives if kept in a large enough aquarium. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html Angelfish grow to 6" long but 9" tall for the P. scalare species, thus needing not only a decent sized tank, but also a tall enough tank. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm I'm guessing your other 5-6 various fish will also be decent sized fish??? Oscars and angelfish are not seen together in aquariums very often... usually because the Oscars are often kept in undersized tanks which then have to be over filtered to compensate for their bioload... and then the over filtering isn't as good for the angelfish which being such tall fish, get tossed around too much for their liking. Angelfish like planted tanks and Oscars like to tear up planted tanks. To be on the safe side with a tank that will not need a ton of maintenance... maybe just weekly and normal filtration... and also have enough room for the fish so they do not have lots of territorial issues, then figure 75G for each Oscar, 35G for each Angelfish and appropriate volume for each of the other fish that you plan. You're probably looking for at least 300G+ (8'+ long), even bigger if your other fish were going to be big, to give them enough water volume and room to grow into healthy, happy non-stunted adult sized fish. If you are talking multiple tanks, let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various other web sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better than "theory". I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, same for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that is the same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess will do). I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about conflicts here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. Thanks for any help Garry.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37720	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae

Algae live EVERYWHERE. Don't see wehre they'd have much of a problem with snail shells. They could have floated there rather than be living there. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] algae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=so-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can algae live on snail shells? I noticed tonight that I have algae in my aquarium and it wasn't there before I bought it. Should I get another snail? or up the frequency of pwc? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37721	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Cook it and cut or smoosh it into fish sized bits? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37722	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

But do you feed it with teh skin? Because the inner part of zucchini has little nutritional value. I think humans eat it mostly for the bulk and the carbohydrates, such as they are. I do believe that zucchini is a green cucumber-type of summer squash. The orange squashes are different. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <flohk13@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's All my fish love zucchini. I slice it up, boil it for a couple minutes, let it cool, cut it into small chunks, toss in one chunk and freeze the rest for later use. Algae in a tank is not a sufficient diet for otos...I feed mine pieces of algae wafers on a regular basis as well as veggies and they also (like all my other fish) enjoy munching on the snail jello (jello FOR snails, not made of, lol) I toss in. Opi -----Original Message----- From: J. Ford <ford@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 3:01 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's I read someplace a week or so ago that my oto may enjoy a meal of zucinni squash so I bought him one. How to I prepare it and how much do I give him? How long to leave in the tank before I remove it? FYI: he shares his tank with 5 neon tetras, 1 betta and 3 rasbora hex's. Thanks, all. He looks hungry. :) My tank is pretty clean so don't know how much algae the little guy is getting so looking at alternatives he may enjoy. When I say pretty clean... I should say that I see zero algae. Hubby claims there must be some in there someplace and he's so tiny.... but... I digress... a little diet variety couldn't hurt anyhow. The other fish get Top Fin brand tropical flakes and color enhancing betta bits. Every couple of days, some bloodworms (dried but soaked first thanks to Lenny's advice on that) :) Janet [Non-text portions of=2 0this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37723	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Yup. Atleast then Meringue will get his betta little exercise. LOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's sfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the advice on feeding the zucchini. I blanched the slices and put the metal band from one of the live plants I'd bought on it and sunk her down... Now everyone is very interested but the betta is displaying over it and driving everyone crazy. He's not eating it but he has staked claim to it. Oto is inching ever so closer hoping the gravel will disquise him... comes up on it when the betta is off charging someone else and then the betta chases poor oto. I'm NOT impressed with Meringue right now (the betta). I even offered to make a gift of him to my college son. ha If they don't settle down, I'll just add piece #2. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37724	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae

My betta's pet mystery snail (good sized) had some algae growing on him. It looked more like clear stuff like on the zuccini squash slice I accidentally left in a few hours too long was threatening to grow than green algae but I'm assuming it was algae anyhow... I took Mr. Snail out and gently wiped his shell down with a paper towel and then put him back into the tank. I hope that wasn't a bad thing... that was day before yesterday. He's fine and all so assume not but don't know that I should be advising to do that just cause it worked for my little fella. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37725	From: J. Ford	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Yes, Meringue LOVES his zuccini! In fact, he loves it so much that I swear to you that he tried to BREED IT! He folded over in half and gave it a good squeeze a couple of times. I about wet my pants!! He settled down once I was sure to offer a zuccini treat to each end of the tank. He does go back and forth but prefers his sunken piece with the metal plant band to that which I impaled on one of the tank decorations. Guess one is more easily loved on than the other. Oto prefers to wait until the lights are out to grab his snack from it but he does enjoy it. Sea monkey colony is next. LOL Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37726	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Feeding Oto's

Did he blow bubbles adn build it a bubble nest? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Feeding Oto's Yes, Meringue LOVES his zuccini! In fact, he loves it so much that I swear to you that he tried to BREED IT! He folded over in half and gave it a good squeeze a couple of times. I about wet my pants!! He settled down once I was sure to offer a zuccini treat to each end of the tank. He does go back and forth but prefers his sunken piece with the metal plant band to that which I impaled on one of the tank decorations. Guess one is more easily loved on than the other. Oto prefers to wait until the lights are out to grab his snack from it but he does enjoy it. Sea monkey colony is next. LOL Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37727	From: Gail	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

catching cat fish... Amber you may want to use a brine net. I have one and that is what I use. I have been in the predicament where there spines get caught in a regular net, it freaks me out when they thrash. so you may want to try that instead. And make sure you have plenty of time to catch them, it's almost as frustrating as catching CAE. They are the worse! ;) good luck! Ps I would opt for the Pictus over the Rafael. I think the Pictus are more fun! -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37728	From: bill1433	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Good one but a large plastic pitcher works better and faster!  Use a small net and chase the little buggers right into it and lift out.   Bill --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:41 AM with regards to catching the catfish, May I suggest a largish plastic funnel ?. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish Wow, I didn't know they lived that long, thanks Ray. My dad wants me to take the pictus catfish, and actually keeps asking me when I'm going to ;) I'm not sure if he's permanently stunted from being in a small tank though, he's been in there for probably 10 years maybe even longer, and he's only about 4 inches long. The Raphael catfish is only maybe 3 inches, and has only been in there for a couple of years. Both are in a 20 gallon tank with 5 tetras (thankfully that's all). Mom tried getting glofish last year, but the pictus or possibly the overloaded tank might have killed them (mom kept finding them stuck to the filter intake though, or not at all). I still have the 55 empty, and with my income tax refund was going to get it up and running and swap some fish over into that tank, probably all the small fish (guppy's, platy's, dwarf gourami, and glofish danio's). Then I will go try to catch the 2 catfish. I knew that they had spines already and can't be caught with a regular net, so I was going to use the net to scare them into a Tupperware container, and then scoop them out that way. The sriped raphael catfish might just be the easier one to catch since he's always hiding in an ornament. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much > more concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its > potential for gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). > They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", > although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more > aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going > after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say > that that behavior is not the norm for this species. > > Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish > being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see > either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of > his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer > (and more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will > penetrate the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the > fish from the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are > finely barbed in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets > too; one to guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less > stress from chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! > > I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from > this pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the > Raphael cat. You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped > Raphael cat is recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given > proper care, they're very long lived. While you won't have to put > him in your will, as you would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not > fish), my pair is still going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray > > ---- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > > Raphael catfish. > > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I > think > > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all > the > > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but > hates > > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom > understands > > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get > the 2 > > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael > catfish > > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and > leave > > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had > before, > > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and > the > > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard > to > > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it > this > > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is > usually > > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as > it > > used to ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter > fish > > > come to learn this. > > > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild > mannered > > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go > after > > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go > so > > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could > fit > > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not > pass > > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix > very > > > different sized fish. > > > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide > during > > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > > kill me, > > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it > in > > > my 125 > > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt > tetras > > > in > > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I > think. He > > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even > know > > > that > > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > > fish > > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as > the > > > size > > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow > down on > > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>, "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com <http://fish. mongabay. com> > <http://fish. mongabay. com <http://fish. mongabay. com>> > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com <http://fish. mongabay. com> > <http://fish. mongabay. com <http://fish. mongabay. com>>> is a GREAT > > > place > > > > > to start researching > > > > > fish "before" > > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html> > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html>> > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html> > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html > <http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Platydoras_ costatus. html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for > the > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes > over > > > 2" > > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > > during > > > > > the day, > > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Iksnip@ > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:24 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> <mailto:AquaticLife % > > > 40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick question, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a 75 gallon tank filled 2/3 of the way. In the tank > are > > > 10 > > > > > neon > > > > > > tetra, 10 cardinal tetra, 3 cory albinos, 1 cory sterbai, > and 3 > > > red > > > > > eye > > > > > > tetra. I > > > > > > recently added 2 1-1 1/2 inch striped raphael catfish. I > > > > > think they > > > > > > are > > > > > > lovely creatures. After adding them (probably the one time I > > > > > added a fish > > > > > > before research) someone mentioned they will hunt down the > > > tetra. > > > > > Is this > > > > > > true? My readings online have been a bit inconsistent in > opinion > > > > > so I > > > > > > wanted to throw it out to the group...is the SRcatfish a > > > dangerous > > > > > addition > > > > > > to my tank. I know they grow in size so eventually they > would > > > > > have to be > > > > > > moved anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37729	From: Lisa	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Tiger oscars

Hi all. I was curious When I move into my own house (still 6 – 12 months away) I was considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like the idea of having a tiger oscar. What I would like to know, is: How big would the tank need to be (for one)? What do the oscars eat? What type of decorations are suitable? What is the life expectancy? What does the ph need to be? And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered food? Thanks. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37730	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish

Actually I did see the links, and I bookmarked them (at least I think I did, LOL). I also have my eye on an ebay seller that does aquarium packs, and I like the assortment that they have listed. I will probably get stuff in the next couple week and have the tank running in a few weeks. I have gravel sitting outside already (pea gravel from the hardware store), will need to rinse it, and possibly get some more (another bag). I'm also going to pick up a couple of rena filstar canister filters and get rid of my magnum 350 deluxe. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber, > > Did you see my recent post of some plant sales? I never saw a reply from > you. I put the same info in my Planted Tank blog if you don't want to hunt > it down on here. One of them plant packages (for each tank) would go a > long > way in getting your tanks "planted" better... since you have some money > coming in that you loaned Uncle Sam for the past year. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Concerns with Striped Rafeal Catfish > > Wow, I didn't know they lived that long, thanks Ray. > My dad wants me to take the pictus catfish, and actually keeps asking me > when I'm going to ;) I'm not sure if he's permanently stunted from > being in > a small tank though, he's been in there for probably 10 years maybe even > longer, and he's only about 4 inches long. > The Raphael catfish is only maybe 3 inches, and has only been in there > for a > couple of years. > Both are in a 20 gallon tank with 5 tetras (thankfully that's all). Mom > tried getting glofish last year, but the pictus or possibly the overloaded > tank might have killed them (mom kept finding them stuck to the filter > intake though, or not at all). > I still have the 55 empty, and with my income tax refund was going to > get it > up and running and swap some fish over into that tank, probably all the > small fish (guppy's, platy's, dwarf gourami, and glofish danio's). Then I > will go try to catch the 2 catfish. I knew that they had spines > already and > can't be caught with a regular net, so I was going to use the net to scare > them into a Tupperware container, and then scoop them out that way. > The sriped raphael catfish might just be the easier one to catch since > he's > always hiding in an ornament. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > So, since you're moving the two catfish to your tank, I'd be much more > > concerned about the pictus (Pimelodella) catfish and its potential for > > gulping down any smaller fish (Neons, Guppies, etc.). > > They can get up to an average of 6" (some reports indicate 10", > > although I've never seen one that size), and they're somewhat more > > aggressive than Raphael cats. I've even read reports of them going > > after fish larger than them, for whatever reason, although I'd say > > that that behavior is not the norm for this species. > > > > Your dad may be fooled with the explanation of the Raphael catfish > > being in hiding, but won't he get suspicious when he doesn't see > > either of them? When you do finally get to netting these fish out of > > his tank, be forwarned that you'll need a net(s) that has a finer (and > > more resilient) mesh, as otherwise these fishes' spines will penetrate > > the netting making it difficult or impossible to remove the fish from > > the net without cutting the netting away; he spines are finely barbed > > in the opposite direction. Always good to use two nets too; one to > > guide the fish and one to finally capture it -- less stress from > > chasing the fish around until it gets dizzy! > > > > I'd say your GloFish Zebra Danios are at risk from predation from this > > pictus catfish, even more than they'd be at risk from the Raphael cat. > > You have good taste in catfish (LOL), as the Striped Raphael cat is > > recogized as being quite attractive. BTW, given proper care, they're > > very long lived. While you won't have to put him in your will, as you > > would have to do with a Parrot (bird, not fish), my pair is still > > going strong, now going on 16 years. Ray > > > > ---- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry guess I wasn't paying attention, I meant to say the Striped > > > Raphael catfish. > > > In either case, he's in the same tank as the pictus catfish, and I > > think > > > the pictus rules the tank, so the raphael cat stays in hiding all > > the > > > time. My dad is very attached to the striped raphael catfish, but > > hates > > > the pictus catfish (says it's a spaz, and they are). My mom > > understands > > > that they both need a bigger tank, but told me to go over and get > > the 2 > > > catfish when my dad is gone, and when he asks about the raphael > > catfish > > > I'm supposed to just say, "It's probably hiding in the tank" and > > leave > > > out the fact that it's hiding in MY tank not his, LOL. > > > Would my glo-fish danio's be too small for companions? The pictus > > > managed to kill the ones in the 20 gallon tank that my mom had > > before, > > > but I also think that their tank doesn't get enough maintenance and > > the > > > glofish might have died from something else too. It's really hard > > to > > > lecture your parents about something when "they've been doing it > > this > > > way for years just fine" (their words not mine, LOL). My mom is > > usually > > > the one to upkeep the tank, but she is out of town caring for her > > > father, so I'm sure that the tank isn't getting cleaned as well as > > it > > > used to ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with a "San" Raphael Catfish. I know of only the > > > > Striped Raphael Cat and the Spotted Raphael Cat. In any case, this > > > > fish would do much better in the 125, if your parents don't mind. > > > > Most often, once a fish learns he can't catch another fish, he > > > > realizes that any attempt is fruitless -- at least the smarter > > fish > > > > come to learn this. > > > > > > > > >From what I've seen of these catfish, they are quite mild > > mannered > > > > and non-aggressive. I'd guess they're not that inclined to go > > after > > > > other fish, possibly preferring other foods instead. I'd even go > > so > > > > far as to say most fish would be safe with them, even if it could > > fit > > > > in its mouth. Still, many fish are opportunistic, and would not > > pass > > > > up an easy meal (such as a small fish) if it can fit in its mouth. > > > > It's best to err on the side of caution if you're going to mix > > very > > > > different sized fish. > > > > > > > > Yes, being nocturnal for the most part, they will tend to hide > > during > > > > the day, but they'll learn to come out to eat when they hear the > > > > other fish feeding. They should be provided a shelter though, even > > > > though you'll be seeing less of it. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My parents have a san raphael catfish in a 20 gallon (yes don't > > > > kill me, > > > > > I plan on stealing it when my parents aren't looking to put it > > in > > > > my 125 > > > > > gallon tank), so far he hasn't eaten any of the black skirt > > tetras > > > > in > > > > > the tank, and he's been with them for a couple of years I > > think. He > > > > > hides most of the time, so my parents will probably never even > > know > > > > that > > > > > I took him until they do a heavy cleaning on the tank ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another example of don't believe everything you read. With > > > > fish > > > > > > of 2" (or even 2 1/2"), I wouldn't trust a 9" fish, such as > > the > > > > size > > > > > > Raphael Cats can get to, having a large mouth not to chow > > down on > > > > > > such midnight snacks. Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka > > GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com> > <http://fish.mongabay.com <http://fish.mongabay.com>>>> is a GREAT > > > > place > > > > > > to start researching > > > > > > fish "before" > > > > > > > you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These profiles have a "Social Behavior" section which, for > > the > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, clearly states... > > > > > > > (START SNIP) > > > > > > > Social behavior: ...Ideal for a community tank with fishes > > over > > > > 2" > > > > > > (5 cm), > > > > > > > as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides > > > > during > > > > > > the day, > > > > > > > and comes out to feed at dusk. > > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37731	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

Oscars are hard to pick companion's for. When I had some years ago all I could keep with them was a pleco. I tried other kinds of semi aggressive cichlids but the oscars were too slow to defend against them, and got picked at (fin nipped). You are going to need something not too aggressive or nippy to go with an oscar, also something big, as they will eat anything small enough to fit in their mouths (and maybe then some). Angel fish are nippers, I would suggest keeping them with other semi aggressive fish/cichlids, but not too aggressive, as they have pretty fins that can easily get nipped at, but these guys are very fast and very territorial, especially if you have a mated pair like I do ;) Mine periodically lay eggs and then they guard that half of the tank (yes half of a 125 gallon tank, LOL). I also have a Gold Severum which is a south american cichlid (gosh I hope I got that right, I'm relying on memory and today has been a hectic day), and 2 bolivian rams. My severum and my rams are fairly docile for cichlids, they get a little territorial, but overall they keep to themselves unless another fish threatens them, and then they will stand up for themselves (charge or display at the offending fish). My Severum is more like a big impersonating pushover in my tank (the angel's rule the tank), he's the biggest fish, but overall he's fairly docile and "quiet" (keeps to himself, none of my fish make any noise, LOL). If you want more docile cichlids check out rams, a lot of the species of rams are pretty docile and un-aggressive for the most part (unless they have eggs that they are guarding). Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > Yes I am talking possibly as little as 3 tanks to go with the ones I > already have, my wife is going to throw a fit if I go over 12, I was > aiming at one for the Oscars, one for the Angel fish, and one for the > various. > > I was wondering which kind of cichlids would be "happy" with each > other in the latter rather than seeing blood on the walls so to speak > and any that would get stroppy with new additions are obviously going > to have to be added after the others are in situ, so any advice there > as to who is going to kick of at a new face would be helpfull. When > you say 75G etc do you mean US or imperial gallons as I live in the UK. > > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:22 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock > > Were you planning to have separate tanks or all in the same tank? > > Oscars easily grow to 12" to 14" and live long lives if kept in a large > enough aquarium. > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html> > > Angelfish grow to 6" long but 9" tall for the P. scalare species, thus > needing not only a decent sized tank, but also a tall enough tank. > http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm> > > I'm guessing your other 5-6 various fish will also be decent sized fish??? > > Oscars and angelfish are not seen together in aquariums very often... > usually because the Oscars are often kept in undersized tanks which then > have to be over filtered to compensate for their bioload... and then the > over filtering isn't as good for the angelfish which being such tall fish, > get tossed around too much for their liking. Angelfish like planted tanks > and Oscars like to tear up planted tanks. > > To be on the safe side with a tank that will not need a ton of > maintenance... maybe just weekly and normal filtration... and also have > enough room for the fish so they do not have lots of territorial issues, > then figure 75G for each Oscar, 35G for each Angelfish and appropriate > volume for each of the other fish that you plan. You're probably looking > for at least 300G+ (8'+ long), even bigger if your other fish were > going to > be big, to give them enough water volume and room to grow into healthy, > happy non-stunted adult sized fish. If you are talking multiple tanks, let > us know. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Cichlid stock > > I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various > other web > sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better > than "theory". > > I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive > this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). > > I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, > same > for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that > is the > same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess > will do). > > I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about > conflicts > here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. > > Thanks for any help > Garry. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37732	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

I'm not sure how long they live, but I know they have a lifespan similar to dogs if kept in a big enough and well maintained tank. They will need a big tank, I would recommend at least a 75 gallon (90 gallon would be better) for one and maybe a dwarf pleco to eat algae (make sure to feed the pleco enough though, and if you get a "standard" pleco which get huge you may have to see if your fish store will trade it out when it gets too big for the tank). Oscars will rearrange their tank, so you will need big heavy decorations that they can't push around easily, otherwise they'll all be in one corner so they can see the rest of the tank and look for predators and prey ;) I would recommend some drift wood if you get a pleco, and some large rocks or large ornaments that are heavy or you can weigh them down somehow. They will also uproot plants, so consider that too ;) Oh, and they eat... everything? LOL. Some people feed their oscars meat from table scraps, such as steak and hot dogs. I used to feed mine earthworms and crickets, and a little bit of "feeder" goldfish now and then, as well as sinking carnivore pellets for cichlids. Keep in mind that oscars are very dirty fish, and if you get a pleco so are they! LOL. You will have to clean your tank often (at least once a week, depending on how dirty the fish is, maybe even more often), and filter maintenance might have to be very often too depending on what filter you get for the tank. Hope that helped, Amber Lisa wrote: > > Hi all. > I was curious > When I move into my own house (still 6 – 12 months away) I was > considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like > the idea of having a tiger oscar. > > What I would like to know, is: > How big would the tank need to be (for one)? > What do the oscars eat? > What type of decorations are suitable? > What is the life expectancy? > What does the ph need to be? > And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered > food? > > Thanks. > Lisa > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37733	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: algae

Yeah, that's not a problem. They can stay out of water for a while.. but it's best to keep their foot (head, eyes, etc.) under water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] algae My betta's pet mystery snail (good sized) had some algae growing on him. It looked more like clear stuff like on the zuccini squash slice I accidentally left in a few hours too long was threatening to grow than green algae but I'm assuming it was algae anyhow... I took Mr. Snail out and gently wiped his shell down with a paper towel and then put him back into the tank. I hope that wasn't a bad thing... that was day before yesterday. He's fine and all so assume not but don't know that I should be advising to do that just cause it worked for my little fella. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37734	From: zoarvalley1946	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Home Page Photo

Is that a Tiger Oscar or a Tiger Barb? What size tank is needed for a pair?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37735	From: *Carol Lynn*	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: mixed breeding

is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37736	From: Gail	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

I found a helpful link for you on Tiger Oscars http://www.bbayaquariums.com/oscar-fish.html check it out. This may help answer some of your questions.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37737	From: Wendie	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

I have a small one now to control the guppy population. Once he outgrows the tank, then I'll trade him in. The last Oscar I had lived to be around 11 and died only because I dropped him by accident. He was huge - about 12 inches in length and extremely wide in the girth. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tiger oscars > I'm not sure how long they live, but I know they have a lifespan similar > to dogs if kept in a big enough and well maintained tank. > They will need a big tank, I would recommend at least a 75 gallon (90 > gallon would be better) for one and maybe a dwarf pleco to eat algae > (make sure to feed the pleco enough though, and if you get a "standard" > pleco which get huge you may have to see if your fish store will trade > it out when it gets too big for the tank). > Oscars will rearrange their tank, so you will need big heavy decorations > that they can't push around easily, otherwise they'll all be in one > corner so they can see the rest of the tank and look for predators and > prey ;) I would recommend some drift wood if you get a pleco, and some > large rocks or large ornaments that are heavy or you can weigh them down > somehow. They will also uproot plants, so consider that too ;) > Oh, and they eat... everything? LOL. Some people feed their oscars meat > from table scraps, such as steak and hot dogs. I used to feed mine > earthworms and crickets, and a little bit of "feeder" goldfish now and > then, as well as sinking carnivore pellets for cichlids. > Keep in mind that oscars are very dirty fish, and if you get a pleco so > are they! LOL. You will have to clean your tank often (at least once a > week, depending on how dirty the fish is, maybe even more often), and > filter maintenance might have to be very often too depending on what > filter you get for the tank. > > Hope that helped, > Amber > > Lisa wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> I was curious >> When I move into my own house (still 6 – 12 months away) I was >> considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like >> the idea of having a tiger oscar. >> >> What I would like to know, is: >> How big would the tank need to be (for one)? >> What do the oscars eat? >> What type of decorations are suitable? >> What is the life expectancy? >> What does the ph need to be? >> And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered >> food? >> >> Thanks. >> Lisa >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37738	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

The Tiger Oscar is simply a morph or variant of the "regular" Oscar... Astronotus ocellatus. Here is Mongabay's profile/care sheet on Oscar's and it recommends at least 100G for a single adult Oscar and the profile also answers almost all of your other questions. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html Someone posted this link http://www.bbayaquariums.com/oscar-fish.html earlier but this profile is not up to date as it talks about having two Oscars in a 75G tank or one in a 55G tank and that simply is not enough tank or water volume for these fish. This profile even says that Oscars grow to 18" which I think it stretching it since most reputable profiles say only 12" to 14"... but the 18" figure makes it even worse. I couldn't imagine keeping an 18" BIG fish in 55G 48" long x 12" wide tank. The fish would barely be able to turn around in such a tank without hitting things. The minimum water volume for fish in this size category would be 5G per inch but since a tank should also be at least 6X longer than the adult fish, easily a 6' to 8' long tank would be needed.. not a 4' tank. I have a lot more info about proper water volume and tank sizes in my blog article "New Rules/Guidelines to replace the fish-killing 1" rule" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html My blog article on "How Long Should Your Aquarium Fish Live" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm l shows that Oscars should live to around 15+ years with longer lifespans for healthy fish in proper sized tanks. Like Goldfish, Common Plecos and other BIG fish, so many Oscars are often kept in undersized tanks which cause them many healthy issues and shortened lifespans. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Tiger oscars Hi all. I was curious When I move into my own house (still 6 - 12 months away) I was considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like the idea of having a tiger oscar. What I would like to know, is: How big would the tank need to be (for one)? What do the oscars eat? What type of decorations are suitable? What is the life expectancy? What does the ph need to be? And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered food? Thanks. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37739	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Photo

I think that's a sea-tiger.. a variant of Panthera tigris.. similar housing needed to what is needed by sea-lions... or you could just put the sea-tiger in with the sea-lions and it will eventually have the home for itself... BURP! ;-) Now I have to ask.. which mod put that one up there? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zoarvalley1946 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Photo Is that a Tiger Oscar or a Tiger Barb? What size tank is needed for a pair?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family sometimes. For example.. Goldfish are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Carassius Species: C. auratus Subspecies: C. a. auratus And Koi are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Cyprinus Species: C. carpio And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a brownish/greenish color. It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists speculating that even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else explains Dennis Rodman? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37741	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

To briefly answer your questions: The bigger the tank, the better. I had one who lived his entire life in a 55 gallon tank, but he should have had more--you can only fit so much tank in a small apartment. Oscars will eat pretty much anything you put in front of them. I fed mostly flake and feeder fish once a week. As for decorations, anything that he cannot move or topple over on himself (or, herself as the case may be). I had mine for about 15 years before I lost him during a move, and, I think, he could have lived much longer. My water was slightly acidic, and relatively soft. I believe that they will adapt to a wide range of conditions, but you will need to keep your nitrogenous wastes low as well as your DOC's. Oscars are dirty fish, and frequent water changes are a must when you keep them. Anything that will not fit into his mouth, and the occasional feeder fish that gets ignored for whatever reason. This pretty much means a larger fish, which then means a larger tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lisa > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Tiger oscars > > Hi all. > I was curious > When I move into my own house (still 6 - 12 months away) I was > considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like > the idea of having a tiger oscar. > > What I would like to know, is: > How big would the tank need to be (for one)? > What do the oscars eat? > What type of decorations are suitable? > What is the life expectancy? > What does the ph need to be? > And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered > food? > > Thanks. > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37742	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the younger female around the tank. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family sometimes. For example.. Goldfish are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Carassius Species: C. auratus Subspecies: C. a. auratus And Koi are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Cyprinus Species: C. carpio And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a brownish/greenish color. It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists speculating that even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else explains Dennis Rodman? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37743	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

Glofish are schoolers and will be happiest in a group of other glofish, or at least other zebra danio's. The chasing might be aggression or they might be mistaking the guppy as a female glofish, because it's lonely. Amber Carol Lynn wrote: > > > Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of > mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the > younger female around the tank. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@... <mailto:childofgod19832003%40yahoo.com> > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family > > sometimes. > > For example.. Goldfish are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Carassius > > Species: C. auratus > > Subspecies: C. a. auratus > > And Koi are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Cyprinus > > Species: C. carpio > > And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the > > same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the > > resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a > > brownish/greenish color. > > It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists > speculating that > > even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else > > explains Dennis Rodman? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

OK. Your glofish, presuming it's a GloFish Zebra Danio, is from: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Danio Species: D. rerio And your guppies are from: Family: Poeciliidae Genus: Poecilia Species: P. reticulata So.. it's highly unlikely of any breeding going on... probably never could happen. Further, for a short biology lesson... guppies are live bearers where the males pass sperm into the female via a gonopodium and zebra danios are egg scatterers where the males swim by spreading it's milt which hopefully gets onto the eggs and fertilizes them. Zebra Danio's are schooling fish and when they are not in a full school, they will often exhibit anti-social behavior... which is probably why he's chasing your guppies. ZD's can also become fin nippers as part of this anti-social behavior so you may want to either get a full school or segregate him.. especially if you see any evidence of tail fins being nipped. I adopted an overstocked 10G tank back in the summer of 2005, shortly before Katrina, and the tank only had three ZD's.. two males, one female.. and I was not able to fill the school before Katrina hit and the lone female was getting harassed so much that I had to segregate the males to give the lil girl some rest. That's another thing.. when having actively mating fish, it's good to have two females for each male so the males do not overly harass the females. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the younger female around the tank. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family sometimes. For example.. Goldfish are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Carassius Species: C. auratus Subspecies: C. a. auratus And Koi are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Cyprinus Species: C. carpio And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a brownish/greenish color. It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists speculating that even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else explains Dennis Rodman? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37745	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

I'll have to make a trip to the pet store and get some more glofish. I had four but they all killed over but one. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:02 AM Glofish are schoolers and will be happiest in a group of other glofish, or at least other zebra danio's. The chasing might be aggression or they might be mistaking the guppy as a female glofish, because it's lonely. Amber Carol Lynn wrote: > > > Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of > mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the > younger female around the tank. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com <mailto:childofgod1 9832003%40yahoo. com> > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family > > sometimes. > > For example.. Goldfish are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Carassius > > Species: C. auratus > > Subspecies: C. a. auratus > > And Koi are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Cyprinus > > Species: C. carpio > > And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the > > same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the > > resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a > > brownish/greenish color. > > It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists > speculating that > > even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else > > explains Dennis Rodman? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37746	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

Okay. That's good, cuz that would be weird... lol. But I think I got a pregnant guppy so maybe I'll have babies soon... lol. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:07 AM OK. Your glofish, presuming it's a GloFish Zebra Danio, is from: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Danio Species: D. rerio And your guppies are from: Family: Poeciliidae Genus: Poecilia Species: P. reticulata So.. it's highly unlikely of any breeding going on... probably never could happen. Further, for a short biology lesson... guppies are live bearers where the males pass sperm into the female via a gonopodium and zebra danios are egg scatterers where the males swim by spreading it's milt which hopefully gets onto the eggs and fertilizes them. Zebra Danio's are schooling fish and when they are not in a full school, they will often exhibit anti-social behavior... which is probably why he's chasing your guppies. ZD's can also become fin nippers as part of this anti-social behavior so you may want to either get a full school or segregate him.. especially if you see any evidence of tail fins being nipped. I adopted an overstocked 10G tank back in the summer of 2005, shortly before Katrina, and the tank only had three ZD's.. two males, one female.. and I was not able to fill the school before Katrina hit and the lone female was getting harassed so much that I had to segregate the males to give the lil girl some rest. That's another thing.. when having actively mating fish, it's good to have two females for each male so the males do not overly harass the females. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:15 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the younger female around the tank. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family sometimes. For example.. Goldfish are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Carassius Species: C. auratus Subspecies: C. a. auratus And Koi are: Family: Cyprinidae Genus: Cyprinus Species: C. carpio And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in the same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a brownish/greenish color. It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists speculating that even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what else explains Dennis Rodman? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37747	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

Remember, if you don't want the day-glo colored ones, you can probably get normal Zebra Danio's for a lot less money and they should all still school together. Normally, Zebra Danio's are very hardy fish... and I thought the GloFish variety should also be hardy. Were you having tank health problems when they keeled over.. or how old were they? They should live around five years... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm l Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding I'll have to make a trip to the pet store and get some more glofish. I had four but they all killed over but one. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:02 AM Glofish are schoolers and will be happiest in a group of other glofish, or at least other zebra danio's. The chasing might be aggression or they might be mistaking the guppy as a female glofish, because it's lonely. Amber Carol Lynn wrote: > > > Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of > mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the > younger female around the tank. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com <mailto:childofgod1 9832003%40yahoo. > com> > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family > > sometimes. > > For example.. Goldfish are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Carassius > > Species: C. auratus > > Subspecies: C. a. auratus > > And Koi are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Cyprinus > > Species: C. carpio > > And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in > the > > same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the > > resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a > > brownish/greenish color. > > It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists > speculating that > > even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what > else > > explains Dennis Rodman? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37748	From: Carol Lynn	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

I didn't have them very long... maybe two months, but I didnt notice anything wrong with them. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@... 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:27 AM Remember, if you don't want the day-glo colored ones, you can probably get normal Zebra Danio's for a lot less money and they should all still school together. Normally, Zebra Danio's are very hardy fish... and I thought the GloFish variety should also be hardy. Were you having tank health problems when they keeled over.. or how old were they? They should live around five years... http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/how-long- should-aquarium- fish-live. htm l Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding I'll have to make a trip to the pet store and get some more glofish. I had four but they all killed over but one. Carol Lynn Cumberland childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com 304-204-2444 (cell)     --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:02 AM Glofish are schoolers and will be happiest in a group of other glofish, or at least other zebra danio's. The chasing might be aggression or they might be mistaking the guppy as a female glofish, because it's lonely. Amber Carol Lynn wrote: > > > Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of > mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the > younger female around the tank. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com <mailto:childofgod1 9832003%40yahoo. > com> > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family > > sometimes. > > For example.. Goldfish are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Carassius > > Species: C. auratus > > Subspecies: C. a. auratus > > And Koi are: > > Family: Cyprinidae > > Genus: Cyprinus > > Species: C. carpio > > And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in > the > > same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the > > resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a > > brownish/greenish color. > > It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists > speculating that > > even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what > else > > explains Dennis Rodman? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37749	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: mixed breeding

They are sensitive to ich, pH changes, and ammonia. That's how I've lost mine. I've replaced them all twice in 6 months ;) I need to go get a few more to replace the ones I lost in the ich outbreak in december too. They don't have them at the LFS yet. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Remember, if you don't want the day-glo colored ones, you can probably get > normal Zebra Danio's for a lot less money and they should all still school > together. > > Normally, Zebra Danio's are very hardy fish... and I thought the GloFish > variety should also be hardy. Were you having tank health problems when > they keeled over.. or how old were they? They should live around five > years... > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm> > l > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Carol Lynn > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > I'll have to make a trip to the pet store and get some more > glofish. I had four but they all killed over but one. > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > childofgod19832003@... <mailto:childofgod19832003%40yahoo.com> > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:02 AM > > Glofish are schoolers and will be happiest in a group of other glofish, > > or at least other zebra danio's. The chasing might be aggression or they > > might be mistaking the guppy as a female glofish, because it's lonely. > > Amber > > Carol Lynn wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay. I was wondering because I had one glofish left and a friend of > > > mine gave me three female guppies and my glofish has been chasing the > > > younger female around the tank. > > > > > > Carol Lynn Cumberland > > > childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com <mailto:childofgod1 9832003%40yahoo. > > com> > > > 304-204-2444 (cell) > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:34 PM > > > > > > Yes.. usually if they are from the same Genus and even the same Family > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > For example.. Goldfish are: > > > > > > Family: Cyprinidae > > > > > > Genus: Carassius > > > > > > Species: C. auratus > > > > > > Subspecies: C. a. auratus > > > > > > And Koi are: > > > > > > Family: Cyprinidae > > > > > > Genus: Cyprinus > > > > > > Species: C. carpio > > > > > > And Goldfish and Koi can and often do interbreed if kept together in > > the > > > > > > same pond.. which is why they should NOT be kept together. Usually the > > > > > > resultant hybrid fish go back to looking like plain old carp with a > > > > > > brownish/greenish color. > > > > > > It can also happen with mammals too... with some scientists > > > speculating that > > > > > > even humans can cross-breed with certain animals or aliens... what > > else > > > > > > explains Dennis Rodman? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of *Carol Lynn* > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:44 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] mixed breeding > > > > > > is it possible for two different kinds of fish to breed? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37750	From: gail	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Cotton-like algae

Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine.   Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon?   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37751	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Is it white or green? If it's white it could be dead matter growing a type of mold, which would be very bad, but if it's green algae it's different. Amber gail wrote: > > Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish > tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. > Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died > (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting > fine. > > Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? > > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37752	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Gail, can you describe it a bit more exactly than "cotton-like"? What color is it? There is no algae invented that comes in white, that would have to be fungus. Exactly where is this stuff growing? Is it growing on a particular surface, or sort of surface, on the gravel at the bottom, or floating in the water? And is it in strands, or tufts, or what? Cotton could be alot of things in different peoples' minds. If you can, take a photo of it and post it in the group photos section. I am assuming we have one. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Hi Gail, Here are some pics. I think you may have one of these.. if it's algae... but it could also be a mold so look at these pics and let us know if it's one of these. http://www.plantgeek.net/articles/gg_algae_faq/staghorn1.jpg http://www.sydneycichlid.com/algae.htm (scroll half way down to Filamentous Algae.. you'll see some that looks white and others that looks green) How old was your goldfish? Round-bodied goldfish should live to 10 years plus and long bodied goldfish should live to 20 years plus... with the world record being 43 years. Do you have a test kit? If yes, test the waters and give us your numbers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine.   Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon?   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Dora, Staghorn and Filamentous algae can both look white.. although they are actually a green algae but the strands are so thin that the aquarium lighting makes them look white. See the pics on my other post in this thread. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Gail, can you describe it a bit more exactly than "cotton-like"? What color is it? There is no algae invented that comes in white, that would have to be fungus. Exactly where is this stuff growing? Is it growing on a particular surface, or sort of surface, on the gravel at the bottom, or floating in the water? And is it in strands, or tufts, or what? Cotton could be alot of things in different peoples' minds. If you can, take a photo of it and post it in the group photos section. I am assuming we have one. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37755	From: Gail	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

I guess I need to be more specific, maybe it is mold and not algae. With both bowls I did stir up the substrate a lot & rinsed it. The phenomenon/ algae/ mold - whatever, looks like white, fluffy cotton. It is only on the bottom, resting on the rocks. And it's not stringy, it's fluffy; like the cotton off of a cottonwood tree. If that makes any sense. thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37756	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Have you been vacuuming your gravel when you do your PWC's? Mold will start to grow on/in the gravel when there is excess detritus, uneaten food, etc. in the gravel. Mold needs an organic food source to grow so it won't just grow on rocks unless the rocks first have some organics on them. Start doing daily 25% PWC's and vacuuming your gravel good each time and the mold will go away. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cotton-like algae I guess I need to be more specific, maybe it is mold and not algae. With both bowls I did stir up the substrate a lot & rinsed it. The phenomenon/ algae/ mold - whatever, looks like white, fluffy cotton. It is only on the bottom, resting on the rocks. And it's not stringy, it's fluffy; like the cotton off of a cottonwood tree. If that makes any sense. thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37757	From: Harl Myers	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Lets Pretend

I am thinking of a 24 or 28 gallon Bio Cube, I have to get the true dimensions of both tanks and the space I want to put it in, it will be close on depth part of the foot print.. If we wanted to house 1 or 2 larger fish. Hard water 8.2. Too small for an Oscar. I want to pick your brains for ideas... Or tell me why it will not work... Thanks in advance.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37758	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

Lenny, I didn't see any pictures with your previous post, and I'm afraid it's gone. Can you please resend it to me. I don't know if pictures weren't there or I didn't see them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Dora, Staghorn and Filamentous algae can both look white.. although they are actually a green algae but the strands are so thin that the aquarium lighting makes them look white. See the pics on my other post in this thread. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Gail, can you describe it a bit more exactly than "cotton-like"? What color is it? There is no algae invented that comes in white, that would have to be fungus. Exactly where is this stuff growing? Is it growing on a particular surface, or sort of surface, on the gravel at the bottom, or floating in the water? And is it in strands, or tufts, or what? Cotton could be alot of things in different peoples' minds. If you can, take a photo of it and post it in the group photos section. I am assuming we have one. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37759	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae

Second is a really good page; I pritned it out for my notebook. If I saw that stuff I would think it was mold. But if you look at it closely it's more threadlike- like spider webs and maybe nto as fine as spider webs. White aquarium molds are usually thick and cottony. Speaking of which, remember how we were speculating about my housemates the week I petsat for the housemate's betta? Well, we had a conversation today. I went out and showed her a nice three-gallon teal-blue covered plastic tank that comes as a single unit from Fosters & Smith. No, they're fine. Now, we had several conversations this morning. She got spring fever and decided to do her annual housecleaning. She mopped the floors that aren't carpeted - that was it. She was wheezing. She thinks my birds, my aquarium, and her dogs, are all responsible. Never mind mold and dust mites ... well, now, hold on there. She says that the reason why she doesn't want to put her betta in larger housing is that all aquariums make mold. No matter how clean you keep them. Now, eventually it occurs to me, not for the first time, to wonder if she thinks off-color algae like diatoms are mold. I go out there and ask her. "Yes.". Well, I explain that diatoms are algae, adn algae and diatoms are different kingdoms on the tree of life. I couldn't convince her that that is true. She is firmly convinced that algae and mold are all exactly the same thing. Now, I have my protozoan cultures going - and yes, she believes tehy are mold, too. Because everything with one cell is mold. I pointed out that we all started out as one cell, and she says that's why we're viruses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Hi Gail, Here are some pics. I think you may have one of these.. if it's algae... but it could also be a mold so look at these pics and let us know if it's one of these. http://www.plantgeek.net/articles/gg_algae_faq/staghorn1.jpg http://www.sydneycichlid.com/algae.htm (scroll half way down to Filamentous Algae.. you'll see some that looks white and others that looks green) How old was your goldfish? Round-bodied goldfish should live to 10 years plus and long bodied goldfish should live to 20 years plus... with the world record being 43 years. Do you have a test kit? If yes, test the waters and give us your numbers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37760	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae

Found the pics. Yahoo stuck them in the bulk folder. Speaking of which, have people seen my posts showing up with different handles? Because I jsut got kicked off two lists for multiple fake identities. Not that that makes much sense over "tiggernut24", "tiggernut24@..., and "Dora Smith". Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Hi Gail, Here are some pics. I think you may have one of these.. if it's algae... but it could also be a mold so look at these pics and let us know if it's one of these. http://www.plantgeek.net/articles/gg_algae_faq/staghorn1.jpg http://www.sydneycichlid.com/algae.htm (scroll half way down to Filamentous Algae.. you'll see some that looks white and others that looks green) How old was your goldfish? Round-bodied goldfish should live to 10 years plus and long bodied goldfish should live to 20 years plus... with the world record being 43 years. Do you have a test kit? If yes, test the waters and give us your numbers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lets Pretend

Usually, a tank in the 20-30G range isn't big enough for a "larger fish". Remember a tank should be at least 6X longer and if very active fish, 8X longer, than the expected adult size of the fish so a 6" fish would need a 36" to 48" long tank. Bio-Cube's are not usually very long so that will put some limits on the adult size of your proposed fish. A 30G Breeder tank might do for a 6" or even two 6" fish if you were ready to frequent tank maintenance as they reached adult size. I usually say at least 3 gallons per adult sized inch for fish 3" to 6" so two 6" would add up to 36G but a 30G Breeder tank has a large footprint 36" x 18" so there's a lot more surface/bottom area. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:09 PM To: aquaticlife Subject: [AquaticLife] Lets Pretend I am thinking of a 24 or 28 gallon Bio Cube, I have to get the true dimensions of both tanks and the space I want to put it in, it will be close on depth part of the foot print.. If we wanted to house 1 or 2 larger fish. Hard water 8.2. Too small for an Oscar. I want to pick your brains for ideas... Or tell me why it will not work... Thanks in advance.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37762	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

You can always go to the groups Messages section to see any posts that you might have deleted or that Yahoo did not send or delayed sending. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Lenny, I didn't see any pictures with your previous post, and I'm afraid it's gone. Can you please resend it to me. I don't know if pictures weren't there or I didn't see them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Dora, Staghorn and Filamentous algae can both look white.. although they are actually a green algae but the strands are so thin that the aquarium lighting makes them look white. See the pics on my other post in this thread. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Gail, can you describe it a bit more exactly than "cotton-like"? What color is it? There is no algae invented that comes in white, that would have to be fungus. Exactly where is this stuff growing? Is it growing on a particular surface, or sort of surface, on the gravel at the bottom, or floating in the water? And is it in strands, or tufts, or what? Cotton could be alot of things in different peoples' minds. If you can, take a photo of it and post it in the group photos section. I am assuming we have one. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37763	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cotton-like algae

I didn't realize a post was missing; I thought you were talking about your first answer on the thread. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae You can always go to the groups Messages section to see any posts that you might have deleted or that Yahoo did not send or delayed sending. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Lenny, I didn't see any pictures with your previous post, and I'm afraid it's gone. Can you please resend it to me. I don't know if pictures weren't there or I didn't see them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Dora, Staghorn and Filamentous algae can both look white.. although they are actually a green algae but the strands are so thin that the aquarium lighting makes them look white. See the pics on my other post in this thread. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Gail, can you describe it a bit more exactly than "cotton-like"? What color is it? There is no algae invented that comes in white, that would have to be fungus. Exactly where is this stuff growing? Is it growing on a particular surface, or sort of surface, on the gravel at the bottom, or floating in the water? And is it in strands, or tufts, or what? Cotton could be alot of things in different peoples' minds. If you can, take a photo of it and post it in the group photos section. I am assuming we have one. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Cotton-like algae Okay, here is the deal; I did a PWC on my Betta bowl & my goldfish tank and both of them have Cotton-like algae in their home. Any ideas on what this is and if it's hazardous? BTW my goldfish died (but I figured it was because she was old) However my Betta is acting fine. Any thoughts or suggestions on this bizarre phenomenon? thanks, Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37764	From: princessdpunk	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Breeding Guppies and Mollies

I have green mollies in a tank with other mollies, and i have a tank with a few blue moscow guppies, purebred, show quality etc.. Anyways I'd like to move my trio of green mollies in with the guppies, BUT I know mollies, swordtails and platys can all breed together, can mollies and guppies breed together? If so, I wont move them, if you know the answer, please email me, do not reply to here, since I check my email more than I check this. Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37765	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Breeding Guppies and Mollies

Here's a long thread on the topic on MonsterFishKeepers.com... of all places.. lol http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115920 In short, yes they can since they are both from the same Family (Poeciliidae) and Genus (Poecilia) but there is a high deformity rate and mortality rate from what I've read and it can even kill the female guppy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of princessdpunk Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Breeding Guppies and Mollies I have green mollies in a tank with other mollies, and i have a tank with a few blue moscow guppies, purebred, show quality etc.. Anyways I'd like to move my trio of green mollies in with the guppies, BUT I know mollies, swordtails and platys can all breed together, can mollies and guppies breed together? If so, I wont move them, if you know the answer, please email me, do not reply to here, since I check my email more than I check this. Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37766	From: Lisa	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter

My right hand side uplift tube isnt working properly. I noticed it just before when i was doing my PWC. So i've had to make a makeship right filter by using an air stone, attached to the airline. Will this be sufficiant until i can buy some new filter spheres on tuesday? Or is it really a matter of some urgency? Will they survive that long? Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37767	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Lets Pretend

To answer your question an oscar is a massive fish, reaching a length of about 12-16 inches. Not only are they massive in size but appetite as well, and if you put one in a tank of that size by the time it reaches 6 inches or so the bio load will overwhelm your filter. So you will probrably have to make water changes 2 or three time a week or maybe even more. If you ask some people this same question they will tell you that fish only grow to the size of their tank, total garbage!! I'm speaking from experience, you cannot bonsai a fish that only works for trees. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > I am thinking of a 24 or 28 gallon Bio Cube, I have to get the true > dimensions of both tanks and the space I want to put it in, it will be > close on depth part of the foot print.. > > If we wanted to house 1 or 2 larger fish. Hard water 8.2. > > Too small for an Oscar. > > I want to pick your brains for ideas... Or tell me why it will not work... > > Thanks in advance. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37768	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

Tiger Oscars are huge fish reaching anywhere from 12-16 inches, so one would require atleast 50 gallons, due to their appetites and size. They are truly messy fish. In nature oscars are carnivores but they are not picky in the aquarium, they will eat anything from flakes when little to cichlid pellets and feeder fish. I wouldn't recommend feeder fish because pet shops don't take care of them and disease is transfered to your tank. Did I mention that they where messy, and they are strong too, they will move your decorations around but, you can add very large swordplants that have deep roots, maybe some anubias that can withstand being uprooted. Use big rocks and driftwood, and set it in a way that it wont fall over. With that being said they are not mean fish and they become very tame with time and you can even feed them by hand, I've witnessed it first hand. They are not fussy about water types as long as it is not way off the scale try to aim for neutral, but they can take fluctuations. If you change the water often you can have an oscar for about 10 or more years. > Hi all. > I was curious > When I move into my own house (still 6 – 12 months away) I was > considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like > the idea of having a tiger oscar. > > What I would like to know, is: > How big would the tank need to be (for one)? > What do the oscars eat? > What type of decorations are suitable? > What is the life expectancy? > What does the ph need to be? > And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered > food? > > Thanks. > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37769	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

well i must say i agree with you because the things I have learned from this club, have been worth way more experience than all of the years of reading tha I have done prior to me joining. Now on to your question. When stocking cichlid you must remember that cichlids do not fall into the same categories as most other fish. They are for the most part territorial, and messy eaters, some more than others. So when stocking them you have to take temperment into consideration. So 2 oscars with each one growing about 12-16 inches will require a lot of room for each fish to have its own territory so you may want to have atleast 75 gallons or more. 4 angelfish on the other hand will certainly not require 75 gallons because their temperment is different as well as size. A single angelfish will grow to be about 5 inches in length and 6-7 inches tall. Also angelfish like to be in the company of their own, however they have a social hierarchy meaning that their is often a dominant male and female and the larger of those two is the group leader so if you are going to keep 4 there must be enough room for the weaker fish to escape harassment when it presents itself, so you will need to have atleast 45-50 gallons for a group of that size. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various other web > sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience better > than "theory". > > I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( forgive > this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). > > I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 oscars, same > for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know that is the > same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough guess > will do). > > I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about conflicts > here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. > > Thanks for any help > Garry. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37770	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter

What brand/model filter again? I know you have a UGF but I'm not sure why the uplift tube isn't working. Do you have powerheads that power them? Certainly, using an airline dropped down into the uplift tube will cause water to also lift up to keep some circulation coming up through the tube but not as much as a powerhead. I'm not sure what a "filter sphere" is and a Google didn't find anything pertinent in the first several hits. Is that what they call the filter cartridge that fits on the powerhead? Can they be cleaned and reused? Usually backflushing a powerhead cartridge, into a bucket, will clean it and make it reusable. Have you been frequently deep siphoning your gravel... down to the UGF plates... to keep the detritus from building up? If too much detritus starts to clog up the slots/holes in the UGF plate and gets under the UGF plates, a heavy mulm can build up under the plates making for the higher possibility of unhealthy water quality issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:54 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter My right hand side uplift tube isnt working properly. I noticed it just before when i was doing my PWC. So i've had to make a makeship right filter by using an air stone, attached to the airline. Will this be sufficiant until i can buy some new filter spheres on tuesday? Or is it really a matter of some urgency? Will they survive that long? Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37771	From: Wendie	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

They do become quite tame. I haven't had any for well over 40 years but just got a small tiger to control the guppy population. Someone gave me 4 guppies and 150 fish later I decided enough was enough. He's doing the job plus eating anything I give him. Since I already have a bristlenose colony in the tank, I don't notice that much more waste. Of course, he's small yet. I've only had him about a month and already he's responding to the sight of me. When I had one years ago - he grew huge and lived a long time - I was able to train him to do various tricks. I neglected to mention it to someone feeding him while I was away and they got the surprise of their life when he jumped up and grabbed their hand while they were feeding him. He could come about 4 to 5 inches of body length out of the water. He could also recognize his food can out of 5 or 6 cans placed before him. It was quite interesting. It was a pain when the cories decided to breed in the tank with him. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: va22_vyshys To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Tiger oscars Tiger Oscars are huge fish reaching anywhere from 12-16 inches, so one would require atleast 50 gallons, due to their appetites and size. They are truly messy fish. In nature oscars are carnivores but they are not picky in the aquarium, they will eat anything from flakes when little to cichlid pellets and feeder fish. I wouldn't recommend feeder fish because pet shops don't take care of them and disease is transfered to your tank. Did I mention that they where messy, and they are strong too, they will move your decorations around but, you can add very large swordplants that have deep roots, maybe some anubias that can withstand being uprooted. Use big rocks and driftwood, and set it in a way that it wont fall over. With that being said they are not mean fish and they become very tame with time and you can even feed them by hand, I've witnessed it first hand. They are not fussy about water types as long as it is not way off the scale try to aim for neutral, but they can take fluctuations. If you change the water often you can have an oscar for about 10 or more years. > Hi all. > I was curious > When I move into my own house (still 6 - 12 months away) I was > considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really like > the idea of having a tiger oscar. > > What I would like to know, is: > How big would the tank need to be (for one)? > What do the oscars eat? > What type of decorations are suitable? > What is the life expectancy? > What does the ph need to be? > And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be considered > food? > > Thanks. > Lisa > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37772	From: bill1433	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: On Oscars In General

First of all, Oscars are a true personality fish.  In all my years of keeping them, I have never once seen any of them hide.  They are usually not afraid of anything or anyone for that matter.  Although if an aquaria is large enough to consider tank mates, its best not too.  The only fish that I have ever seen live comfortably with Oscar are the Cory Cat family.  Because of their fins and general body armor, Oscar quickly learns that they are not good eating.  Also to be considered is that fact that since Oscar loves to eat and makes a mess when he does, the Corys are a welcome addition but not at all necessary.   I say all of that because in the end, Oscar is best kept in bare tanks.  Why?  They love to decorate their own tanks and in their own way.  Any rock formations, or beautiful and sometimes expensive plants, with all be laid to waste if Mr. Oscar does not like them, and he usally won't and the same can be said for plastic plants.  The bare tank makes cleaning up after Oscar a breeze and with very frequent PWC they will live quite a long time.  They are also great “testers” of power filters; any that can keep up with the mechanical and biological mess of Oscar is surely worth the purchase price.  They are great fish and make excellent pets as long as their conditions are met.  Size wise, there is no such thing as a tank too large for Oscar, believe me, he will fill it!  The people saying that if they are or can be kept in a smaller tank are creating a myth.  Even the new fry need room and lots of it quickly.   I have seen poor Oscars kept in such bad conditions or confines as a 20-gallon long tank to the point where they could not even turn around.  (They get big enough that they will have trouble turning around in a standard 55).  Not only is this cruel but I feel also inhumane to such a great fish.  They deserve room, give it to them, and you will have a good and very long time friend.  I had some that would actually come and brush against my hands while I was working inside of their tank.  They truly are a “personality” fish that enjoys the company of human friends and gives back as much as it gets.  They are easy to care for but they are demanding as to conditions.   IMHO,   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37773	From: bill1433	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter

The very best way to have under-gravel filters at all is to have the tank drilled to except valves on the outside bottom portion of the tank base or bottom.  Changing water is a snap and by draining through the bottom of the filter filter you automatically clean out the bottom of the filters plates.  This need only be done every other month or so.  This is not be be used in lieu of your regular PWC's and gravel cleaning each week.  With this method you will have a tank up for many, many years.  Now does it really work?  If your are ever at Sea World in Orlando, take a really close look at many of their individual stand alone tanks.   Bill --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:05 AM What brand/model filter again? I know you have a UGF but I'm not sure why the uplift tube isn't working. Do you have powerheads that power them? Certainly, using an airline dropped down into the uplift tube will cause water to also lift up to keep some circulation coming up through the tube but not as much as a powerhead. I'm not sure what a "filter sphere" is and a Google didn't find anything pertinent in the first several hits. Is that what they call the filter cartridge that fits on the powerhead? Can they be cleaned and reused? Usually backflushing a powerhead cartridge, into a bucket, will clean it and make it reusable. Have you been frequently deep siphoning your gravel... down to the UGF plates... to keep the detritus from building up? If too much detritus starts to clog up the slots/holes in the UGF plate and gets under the UGF plates, a heavy mulm can build up under the plates making for the higher possibility of unhealthy water quality issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:54 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Problem uplift tube on my U/G filter My right hand side uplift tube isnt working properly. I noticed it just before when i was doing my PWC. So i've had to make a makeship right filter by using an air stone, attached to the airline. Will this be sufficiant until i can buy some new filter spheres on tuesday? Or is it really a matter of some urgency? Will they survive that long? Thanks Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37774	From: Cee Jaye	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tiger oscars

I had a tiger as a young girl (11-ish) & I had him for a couple years. I could feed him (or her?) by hand & everything. . . I had him from a little thing & he got very large & was in a 55gal tank in my room. . . He had quite a personality & would even just come to my hand if I stuck it in the tank. . . We ended up letting a friend we had then take him because we moved out of state. . . I miss him! I have another guy now, I got just about a yr ago now. . . he is getting big! He is still quite shy because he is at my husband's (soon-to-be-ex) but I will be taking him soon. . . I love them!! ~~Tara On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:32 AM, va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > Tiger Oscars are huge fish reaching anywhere from 12-16 inches, so > one would require atleast 50 gallons, due to their appetites and size. > They are truly messy fish. In nature oscars are carnivores but they > are not picky in the aquarium, they will eat anything from flakes > when little to cichlid pellets and feeder fish. I wouldn't recommend > feeder fish because pet shops don't take care of them and disease is > transfered to your tank. Did I mention that they where messy, and > they are strong too, they will move your decorations around but, you > can add very large swordplants that have deep roots, maybe some > anubias that can withstand being uprooted. Use big rocks and > driftwood, and set it in a way that it wont fall over. With that > being said they are not mean fish and they become very tame with time > and you can even feed them by hand, I've witnessed it first hand. > They are not fussy about water types as long as it is not way off the > scale try to aim for neutral, but they can take fluctuations. If you > change the water often you can have an oscar for about 10 or more > years. > > > > > > Hi all. > > I was curious > > When I move into my own house (still 6 � 12 months away) I was > > considering moving to a bigger tank then my 22gal, and I really > like > > the idea of having a tiger oscar. > > > > What I would like to know, is: > > How big would the tank need to be (for one)? > > What do the oscars eat? > > What type of decorations are suitable? > > What is the life expectancy? > > What does the ph need to be? > > And would there be any suitable tank mates that would not be > considered > > food? > > > > Thanks. > > Lisa > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37775	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: ebay ordering

Well I ordered 2 rena filstar xp4's off of ebay, found a good deal for 149.99 each plus shipping. I was going to order from another person and they were falsely advertising that they ship to the united states, and so I won the items and went to pay for them, well as soon as I got to their payment procedures in small print at the top is states that they only ship to the contiguous united states, us Alaskans and Hawaiians are out of luck there ;) I sent her a message saying she should put something on her ebay sale that says that she doesn't ship to Alaska and Hawaii as it was very frustrating. Anyways, I still got a good deal and I didn't pay for the other filters from the person who doesn't ship here even though it says they do on ebay, because we are IN the united states, ugh! LOL. They are apparently already ready to ship them and I paid for them last night too, how's that for speedy? :) I'm very excited to replace my magnum 350 with one of these rena filstar xp4's. It's more powerful and the mechanical cleaning looks to be much better than the magnum's, not to mention it's priming system is so much more user friendly (in my opinion, guess I will find out for sure when they get here, LOL). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37776	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: On Oscars In General

Sadly, I consider that if I do not have a tank large enough for any species, I will not purchase one regardless of how much I want it, I also will not feed other live fish or fry to another even if it would happen in the wild, I ask myself how I would feel if someone ate my kids, I wouldn't. I have to some degree forgone the idea of getting a oscar for some months untill I can ensure the following. 1. My wife is under control.( please read, she stops moaning at the number of tanks I possess). 2. I can afford to bring them up, I feel/guess its a bit like having children and costs nearly as much, just having the means to house one is only the beginning and by itself not enough. 3.My kids stop bugging me for fishing rods et al.( that has me worried I can tell you). ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] On Oscars In General First of all, Oscars are a true personality fish. In all my years of keeping them, I have never once seen any of them hide. They are usually not afraid of anything or anyone for that matter. Although if an aquaria is large enough to consider tank mates, its best not too. The only fish that I have ever seen live comfortably with Oscar are the Cory Cat family. Because of their fins and general body armor, Oscar quickly learns that they are not good eating. Also to be considered is that fact that since Oscar loves to eat and makes a mess when he does, the Corys are a welcome addition but not at all necessary. I say all of that because in the end, Oscar is best kept in bare tanks. Why? They love to decorate their own tanks and in their own way. Any rock formations, or beautiful and sometimes expensive plants, with all be laid to waste if Mr. Oscar does not like them, and he usally won't and the same can be said for plastic plants. The bare tank makes cleaning up after Oscar a breeze and with very frequent PWC they will live quite a long time. They are also great “testers” of power filters; any that can keep up with the mechanical and biological mess of Oscar is surely worth the purchase price. They are great fish and make excellent pets as long as their conditions are met. Size wise, there is no such thing as a tank too large for Oscar, believe me, he will fill it! The people saying that if they are or can be kept in a smaller tank are creating a myth. Even the new fry need room and lots of it quickly. I have seen poor Oscars kept in such bad conditions or confines as a 20-gallon long tank to the point where they could not even turn around. (They get big enough that they will have trouble turning around in a standard 55). Not only is this cruel but I feel also inhumane to such a great fish. They deserve room, give it to them, and you will have a good and very long time friend. I had some that would actually come and brush against my hands while I was working inside of their tank. They truly are a “personality” fish that enjoys the company of human friends and gives back as much as it gets. They are easy to care for but they are demanding as to conditions. IMHO, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37777	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: On Oscars In General

Why not get a Severum? They are very similar in personality and don't get QUITE as big as the oscars, they are also a little bit more docile and can be kept with other kinds of fish easier than the oscars can. I have mine in a semi-aggressive tank, with some community fish (for now, will be moved soon), he doesn't attack any of them, or try to eat any of them, but then he was raised as a baby with community fish so he doesn't look at them as food either. I haven't gotten him to eat my hand yet, but he's definitely interested in what I have in my hand and will come up to the top of the tank and wait for his food ;) They can be taught tricks and they will also eat out of your hand and become very hand tame in time, just like an oscar. They are both very smart fish. I don't suggest one for a 20 gallon tank though, as they get big you'll need a 75 gallon to accommodate them, and they grow fast ;) I'm compare my severum to a fish-puppy dog, they are very amiable and very interested in everything their owner is doing, either in or out of their tank ;) and always hungry ;) LOL Amber bill1433 wrote: > > First of all, Oscars are a true personality fish. In all my years of > keeping them, I have never once seen any of them hide. They are > usually not afraid of anything or anyone for that matter. Although if > an aquaria is large enough to consider tank mates, its best not too. > The only fish that I have ever seen live comfortably with Oscar are > the Cory Cat family. Because of their fins and general body armor, > Oscar quickly learns that they are not good eating. Also to be > considered is that fact that since Oscar loves to eat and makes a mess > when he does, the Corys are a welcome addition but not at all necessary. > > I say all of that because in the end, Oscar is best kept in bare > tanks. Why? They love to decorate their own tanks and in their own > way. Any rock formations, or beautiful and sometimes expensive > plants, with all be laid to waste if Mr. Oscar does not like them, and > he usally won't and the same can be said for plastic plants. The bare > tank makes cleaning up after Oscar a breeze and with very frequent PWC > they will live quite a long time. They are also great “testers” of > power filters; any that can keep up with the mechanical and biological > mess of Oscar is surely worth the purchase price. They are great fish > and make excellent pets as long as their conditions are met. Size > wise, there is no such thing as a tank too large for Oscar, believe > me, he will fill it! The people saying that if they are or can be > kept in a smaller tank are creating a myth. Even the new fry need > room and lots of it quickly. > > I have seen poor Oscars kept in such bad conditions or confines as a > 20-gallon long tank to the point where they could not even turn > around. (They get big enough that they will have trouble turning > around in a standard 55). Not only is this cruel but I feel also > inhumane to such a great fish. They deserve room, give it to them, > and you will have a good and very long time friend. I had some that > would actually come and brush against my hands while I was working > inside of their tank. They truly are a “personality” fish that enjoys > the company of human friends and gives back as much as it gets. They > are easy to care for but they are demanding as to conditions. > > IMHO, > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37778	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: ebay ordering

Yeah.. the priming is simple. Just plug the two hose fitting back in to the top, fold down the locking handle and it starts self priming. About a minute or so later, plug it back in and voila'. I top off my tank with a gallon or two of water, since you lose that much when you empty the reservoir and it refills during the priming, so the tank is full when I start doing my other tank maintenance. Of course, I always do my filter maintenance first since when you start it back up, it will spurt out some algae and stuff from inside the hoses. Then I give it a few minutes or so of running to filter out the water and allow the heavy stuff to sink to the bottom.. then I do my gravel vacuum and PWC. I usually do glass cleaning and plant maintenance while I'm letting the stuff get re-filtered or settle down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] ebay ordering Well I ordered 2 rena filstar xp4's off of ebay, found a good deal for 149.99 each plus shipping. I was going to order from another person and they were falsely advertising that they ship to the united states, and so I won the items and went to pay for them, well as soon as I got to their payment procedures in small print at the top is states that they only ship to the contiguous united states, us Alaskans and Hawaiians are out of luck there ;) I sent her a message saying she should put something on her ebay sale that says that she doesn't ship to Alaska and Hawaii as it was very frustrating. Anyways, I still got a good deal and I didn't pay for the other filters from the person who doesn't ship here even though it says they do on ebay, because we are IN the united states, ugh! LOL. They are apparently already ready to ship them and I paid for them last night too, how's that for speedy? :) I'm very excited to replace my magnum 350 with one of these rena filstar xp4's. It's more powerful and the mechanical cleaning looks to be much better than the magnum's, not to mention it's priming system is so much more user friendly (in my opinion, guess I will find out for sure when they get here, LOL). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37779	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: ebay ordering

Good tips, I usually do the water change first, but I think I will switch my order, it seems better to clean after the filter spits stuff out ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yeah.. the priming is simple. Just plug the two hose fitting back in > to the > top, fold down the locking handle and it starts self priming. About a > minute or so later, plug it back in and voila'. I top off my tank with a > gallon or two of water, since you lose that much when you empty the > reservoir and it refills during the priming, so the tank is full when I > start doing my other tank maintenance. > > Of course, I always do my filter maintenance first since when you start it > back up, it will spurt out some algae and stuff from inside the hoses. > Then > I give it a few minutes or so of running to filter out the water and allow > the heavy stuff to sink to the bottom.. then I do my gravel vacuum and > PWC. > I usually do glass cleaning and plant maintenance while I'm letting the > stuff get re-filtered or settle down. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] ebay ordering > > Well I ordered 2 rena filstar xp4's off of ebay, found a good deal for > 149.99 each plus shipping. > I was going to order from another person and they were falsely advertising > that they ship to the united states, and so I won the items and went > to pay > for them, well as soon as I got to their payment procedures in small print > at the top is states that they only ship to the contiguous united > states, us > Alaskans and Hawaiians are out of luck there ;) I sent her a message > saying > she should put something on her ebay sale that says that she doesn't > ship to > Alaska and Hawaii as it was very frustrating. > > Anyways, I still got a good deal and I didn't pay for the other > filters from > the person who doesn't ship here even though it says they do on ebay, > because we are IN the united states, ugh! LOL. > They are apparently already ready to ship them and I paid for them last > night too, how's that for speedy? :) I'm very excited to replace my magnum > 350 with one of these rena filstar xp4's. It's more powerful and the > mechanical cleaning looks to be much better than the magnum's, not to > mention it's priming system is so much more user friendly (in my opinion, > guess I will find out for sure when they get here, LOL). > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37780	From: greychildren	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: fresh water flounder

Hey guys some one just gave one of these cute little fresh water flounder. I was reading that it likes to eat ghost shrimp. let me you guys input on this little fellow.. Thsnk you guyz

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37781	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

Angel fish (_Pterophyllum scalare_) can reach 8" SL with a height of more than 12" (tipoff the dorsal to tip of the anal. I must admit, however, since the angel fish plague hit, I've not seen a fish this large, and the various varieties of angel fish do not seem to have ever been able to grow this large. To achieve the maximum fin development, the angel fish must be reared in a deep tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > va22_vyshys > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > well i must say i agree with you because the things I have learned > from this club, have been worth way more experience than all of the > years of reading tha I have done prior to me joining. Now on to your > question. When stocking cichlid you must remember that cichlids do > not fall into the same categories as most other fish. They are for > the most part territorial, and messy eaters, some more than others. > So when stocking them you have to take temperment into consideration. > So 2 oscars with each one growing about 12-16 inches will require a > lot of room for each fish to have its own territory so you may want > to have atleast 75 gallons or more. 4 angelfish on the other hand > will certainly not require 75 gallons because their temperment is > different as well as size. A single angelfish will grow to be about 5 > inches in length and 6-7 inches tall. Also angelfish like to be in > the company of their own, however they have a social hierarchy > meaning that their is often a dominant male and female and the larger > of those two is the group leader so if you are going to keep 4 there > must be enough room for the weaker fish to escape harassment when it > presents itself, so you will need to have atleast 45-50 gallons for a > group of that size. > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Garry the Womble" > <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > > > I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various > other web > > sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience > better > > than "theory". > > > > I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( > forgive > > this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). > > > > I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 > oscars, same > > for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know > that is the > > same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough > guess > > will do). > > > > I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about > conflicts > > here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. > > > > Thanks for any help > > Garry. > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37782	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

I have mine in a 125 gallon tank and even yet they are still not that tall, but they seem to be pretty slow growing. They are only a few months old, the oldest one is 6 months old now and while larger than the 2nd angel, his fins aren't as long due to fin and tail rot issues early on in his life. They are growing back nicely though, but I'm sure it will take time before they reach their adult sizes. I'd have to say they're about 4-5 inches tall now though (with the fins included). Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Angel fish (_Pterophyllum scalare_) can reach 8" SL with a height of > more than 12" (tipoff the dorsal to tip of the anal. I must admit, > however, since the angel fish plague hit, I've not seen a fish this > large, and the various varieties of angel fish do not seem to have ever > been able to grow this large. > > To achieve the maximum fin development, the angel fish must be reared in > a deep tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > va22_vyshys > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > > > well i must say i agree with you because the things I have learned > > from this club, have been worth way more experience than all of the > > years of reading tha I have done prior to me joining. Now on to your > > question. When stocking cichlid you must remember that cichlids do > > not fall into the same categories as most other fish. They are for > > the most part territorial, and messy eaters, some more than others. > > So when stocking them you have to take temperment into consideration. > > So 2 oscars with each one growing about 12-16 inches will require a > > lot of room for each fish to have its own territory so you may want > > to have atleast 75 gallons or more. 4 angelfish on the other hand > > will certainly not require 75 gallons because their temperment is > > different as well as size. A single angelfish will grow to be about 5 > > inches in length and 6-7 inches tall. Also angelfish like to be in > > the company of their own, however they have a social hierarchy > > meaning that their is often a dominant male and female and the larger > > of those two is the group leader so if you are going to keep 4 there > > must be enough room for the weaker fish to escape harassment when it > > presents itself, so you will need to have atleast 45-50 gallons for a > > group of that size. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Garry the Womble" > > <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > > > > > I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various > > other web > > > sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience > > better > > > than "theory". > > > > > > I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( > > forgive > > > this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). > > > > > > I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 > > oscars, same > > > for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know > > that is the > > > same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough > > guess > > > will do). > > > > > > I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about > > conflicts > > > here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. > > > > > > Thanks for any help > > > Garry. > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37783	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00

All over Yahoo mail. Don't do it. http://www.newsmebaby.com/2009/02/no-president-obama-is-not-sending-out.html Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37784	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00

I don't believe you! Next, you'll be trying to tell me there's no Easter Bunny! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "harry perry" <harryfisherman@...> All over Yahoo mail. Don't do it. http://www.newsmebaby.com/2009/02/no-president-obama-is-not-sending-out.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37785	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00

No Harry.. he's not sending out $12,000.00 checks to everybody... but he is sending out $6,666.66 tax bills to everybody... $2 Trillion in deficits for 2009 divided by 300 Million people equals.. yes... $6,666.66... all them 6's.. can it really be a coincidence that he picked $2 Trillion as his budget deficit amount? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00 All over Yahoo mail. Don't do it. http://www.newsmebaby.com/2009/02/no-president-obama-is-not-sending-out.html Harry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: fresh water flounder

Here's a couple of articles on them but you really need to know your species. Some are FW, some are BW... and of course, I wouldn't put it past a pet store to sell the SW versions as FW. Some stay around 4-6" and others get as large as 12". Common names just don't cut it... especially for oddball fish. Google "freshwater flounder" and you'll find a lot more but you'll have to read through the hits to find the reputable sites. I got these two articles from reputable site forum threads and have several scientific names that have come up so far.. all for "freshwater flounders".. so do your research FIRST next time. ;-) http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/forum/index.php?topic=13115.0 http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Oddball,%20Flounder.htm http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/article_detail.asp?id=35 Here's some threads from reputable forums. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113611 http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=860 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32891 And a few other profiles/articles... http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f29/freshwater-flounder-submitted-by-po ikilotherm-27368.html http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=4260&genusname=Trinectes&s peciesname=maculatus Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] fresh water flounder Hey guys some one just gave one of these cute little fresh water flounder. I was reading that it likes to eat ghost shrimp. let me you guys input on this little fellow.. Thsnk you guyz ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37787	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00/DebR

According to a company that tracks thes things 35,000 people have tried this so far. Harry --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:58 PM I don't believe you! Next, you'll be trying to tell me there's no Easter Bunny! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "harry perry" <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> All over Yahoo mail. Don't do it. http://www.newsmeba by.com/2009/ 02/no-president- obama-is- not-sending- out.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37788	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00/DebR

Well.. heck.. I don't want them to get all the money. I'm hereby announcing that I will also send you a certified, authenticated and officially numbered facsimile of a $12,000.00 check made out to each and every member of AquaticLife that sends me $1.99.. well.. round it up to two bucks for PayPal simplicity. My PayPal account for receiving payments is NHSNOLA@.... I promise I will promptly send you your certified, authenticated and officially numbered facsimile of the $12,000.00 check made out to YOU upon receipt of your PayPal payment. To heck with getting some kind of CD that requires you to fill out all kinds of grant requests and wait a week... just $2.00 into my PayPal account will get you the REAL facsimile of YOUR $12,000.00 check immediately. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00/DebR According to a company that tracks thes things 35,000 people have tried this so far. Harry --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] O.T. Obama and a check for $12000.00 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:58 PM I don't believe you! Next, you'll be trying to tell me there's no Easter Bunny! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "harry perry" <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> All over Yahoo mail. Don't do it. http://www.newsmeba by.com/2009/ 02/no-president- obama-is- not-sending- out.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37789	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Cichlid stock

Hi \\Steve//, Just thought I'd mention that in the interest of accuracy, I think it's safe to assume that while we know Pterophyllum scalare reach fairly good proportions in the wild, these 8" SL Angelfish that both you and Lenny mention do no longer have any relevance to Angelfish now found in the hobby. As I notice your pointing out, that even you have not seen such sized fish in the hobby any longer yourself for some time (since the Angelfish virus of the late 1980's), coupled with the fact that no one else has seen such fish in recent years (and I refer to our many knowledgeable aquarium legends), I think we can dismiss these fish from being in the hobby any longer. While many of us have had such large P. scalare in the past, myself included, I have not seen these Angelfish of such large proportions for about 35 years now, or just after the time when the Florida fish farms really started knocking them out in earnest. I started working with these fish in 1953 and remember them well. Within the next 20 years, they seemed to have all been replaced by somewhat smaller Angelfish. There are those on the Aquarium Hobby History group, whom also lived through that very period as I, who will insist that in our hobby, P. scalare has been replaced with either P. eimekei or a hybrid of P. scalare and P. eimekei. While I'm not an ichthyologist, and I don't believe any of us here are, in studying various papers pertaining to these fish, and despite the current apparent acceptance of P. scalare as our current hobby fish with the dissolution of the P. eimekei as a valid name by many, I find I must go along with Leonard Schultz's 1953 original revision of this Genus and recognize (besides P. scalare) the existance of P. eimekei as described by Ernest Ahl in 1928. I further cite C.Tate Regan and Jacques Pellegrin (1930), C.H. Peters (134), W.T. Innes (1935), W. Vorderwinkler (1965) and Gunther Sterba (1967), all coming to the same conclusion that P. eimekei should never have been lumped with P. scalare as one species as these leading authorities had recognized P. eimekei as a separate species at those times. As we know, in fish nomenclature and those who would re-describe fish, there are splitters and there are lumpers. I just feel that these lumpers have gotten too carried away; my humble opinion. No one has ever challenged Lichtenstein's original description of P. scalare in 1823, but we are talking about the fish that is now presently in the hobby, and I see no other explanation for the size discrepancy especially after reviewing all the data; it doesn't appear as though we are just left with a stunted P. scalare as our present Angelfish. By the way, Lichtenstein states P. scalare's size in his description of the fish from its type specimens as 15cm (6"). It's understandable that he may not have collected the largest of the large when obtaining his specimens, but perhaps 8" SL is akin to some of these game fish "sizes" when stories are kept circulating about them <g>l. It's just too bad that some of us never kept those large P. scalare from many years past going all this while, but strains of any species kept going for that long are rare -- the killiefish, Scriptaphyosemion calabaricus being at least one exception. Anyhow, to get back to distinct differences needing to be considered for these two Angelfish in question, Lichtenstein describes P. scalare as having a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XI and XII hard rays and 24 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI hard rays and 26 - 28 soft rays. The oblique scale row count for this fish is 38 - 40. Now, P. eikekei has a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XII and XIII hard rays and 21 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI to VII hard rays and 22 - 27 soft rays. The oblique scale row count is 28 to 36. Yes, some of these counts are close, which one would expect from such closely related species, yet I still see them as two distinct species and have to maintain that our present Angelfish are as previously stated (either P. eimekei or a hybrid of both) which explains its current size. Ahl, in 1928, describes P. eimekei's size as reaching a length of 12cm (4 15/16" - or close to 5"); length in fish taxonomy meaning SL. This coincides with what we have in the hobby today, and while large deep tanks are required for proper rearing of Angelfish, they needn't be of proportions required to house 8" SL Angels -- which are never seen as far as I'm aware. Note that I'm not addressing this at you but to those who would maintain such excessive requirements for our present Angelfish. There are too many "factual" Google searches which still support such large Angels as being around in the hobby when they are not. BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone else here is going we could set up something for a get together. I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Angel fish (_Pterophyllum scalare_) can reach 8" SL with a height of > more than 12" (tipoff the dorsal to tip of the anal. I must admit, > however, since the angel fish plague hit, I've not seen a fish this > large, and the various varieties of angel fish do not seem to have ever > been able to grow this large. > > To achieve the maximum fin development, the angel fish must be reared in > a deep tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > va22_vyshys > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > > > well i must say i agree with you because the things I have learned > > from this club, have been worth way more experience than all of the > > years of reading tha I have done prior to me joining. Now on to your > > question. When stocking cichlid you must remember that cichlids do > > not fall into the same categories as most other fish. They are for > > the most part territorial, and messy eaters, some more than others. > > So when stocking them you have to take temperment into consideration. > > So 2 oscars with each one growing about 12-16 inches will require a > > lot of room for each fish to have its own territory so you may want > > to have atleast 75 gallons or more. 4 angelfish on the other hand > > will certainly not require 75 gallons because their temperment is > > different as well as size. A single angelfish will grow to be about 5 > > inches in length and 6-7 inches tall. Also angelfish like to be in > > the company of their own, however they have a social hierarchy > > meaning that their is often a dominant male and female and the larger > > of those two is the group leader so if you are going to keep 4 there > > must be enough room for the weaker fish to escape harassment when it > > presents itself, so you will need to have atleast 45-50 gallons for a > > group of that size. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Garry the Womble" > > <garrywilliams59@> wrote: > > > > > > I am asking here because I get conflicting information via various > > other web > > > sites so sorry if this is mundane to you guys but I find experience > > better > > > than "theory". > > > > > > I want to keep oscars, angel fish, and other sorts of cichlids ( > > forgive > > > this description,I am unsure as to which varieties yet). > > > > > > I would like to know what size tank I would need to make for 2 > > oscars, same > > > for say 4 angle fish and the same for say 5-6 various! ( I know > > that is the > > > same as saying how long is a bit of string, but some idea or rough > > guess > > > will do). > > > > > > I also want to know which are safe to home with which. Talk about > > conflicts > > > here on some site!!. Its enough to drive me nuts. > > > > > > Thanks for any help > > > Garry. > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37790	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: OT: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]

Ray, et al., I'll be there sometime late Friday afternoon--exact arrival depends on many factors, like when I leave, traffic, weather, how many calls I get for support where I may need to pull off and log into someone's computer or server to resolve an issue, etc. (good thing Lynne will not be with me--she hates the calls). I'll be leaving Sunday, probably between Noon and 1 PM, though it may be a bit later. (it is, after all, about a 7 hour drive.) For those of you who do not have a clue what we are talking about, this event is one of the premier events in the organized aquarium hobby. This is its 34th year, and Aline Finley figured out that I have not been to a total of 4 of the events since its inception. While we call it the NEC for short, NEC really stands for Northeast Council of Aquarium Societies. The event used to be called Winter Weekend Workshop, but is now called the Annual NEC Convention. Speakers come from all over the map, both geographically and aquarium-wise. This year's speakers include: Dr. Wolfgang Staeck - From Berlin, Germany--Tropheus of Lake Tanganyika and Tetras of South America. Stephan M. Tanner, Ph.D. - Switzerland--Catfish Nutrition Ole Pedersen - Copenhagen, Denmark--He will speak on CO2 Friday evening and on algae on Saturday Karen Randall - Massachusetts--She will present a program on her two trips collecting in Thailand (banquet speaker) Rusty Wessel - Kentucky--discussing the Thorichthys species of Central America Les Kaufman - Massachusetts--how we can shape the aquarium hobby and profession into a force for conservation (Saturday morning buffet speaker) Bruce Turner, Ph.D. - Virginia--talk at the NELA Livebearer Discussion Group Friday afternoon and also present a seminar Saturday on The Atlantic Pupfishes Ghazanfar Ghori - Virginia--a program on Cryptocoryne at the AGA meeting Friday afternoon. Justin Credabel - Connecticut--no particular subject given, but apparently, on corals. One interesting fact is that many speakers ask to come back again, and, if not invited as a speaker, come anyway for the weekend. Some people likely to be there are Lee Finley (a regular attendee), Ray "Kingfish" Lucas with his vendor display, Gary Lang is a frequent visitor, Mike Hellweg (_Culturing Live Foods_ author) shows up every few years, Mike Schadle, and others. You can still register for the event, which is held at the Hartford Marriott, Farmington CT. Go to http://northeastcouncil.org for information. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > Hi \\Steve//, Just thought I'd mention that in the interest of > accuracy, I think it's safe to assume that while we know Pterophyllum > scalare reach fairly good proportions in the wild, these 8" SL > Angelfish that both you and Lenny mention do no longer have any > relevance to Angelfish now found in the hobby. As I notice your > pointing out, that even you have not seen such sized fish in the > hobby any longer yourself for some time (since the Angelfish virus of > the late 1980's), coupled with the fact that no one else has seen > such fish in recent years (and I refer to our many knowledgeable > aquarium legends), I think we can dismiss these fish from being in > the hobby any longer. > > While many of us have had such large P. scalare in the past, myself > included, I have not seen these Angelfish of such large proportions > for about 35 years now, or just after the time when the Florida fish > farms really started knocking them out in earnest. I started working > with these fish in 1953 and remember them well. Within the next 20 > years, they seemed to have all been replaced by somewhat smaller > Angelfish. There are those on the Aquarium Hobby History group, whom > also lived through that very period as I, who will insist that in our > hobby, P. scalare has been replaced with either P. eimekei or a > hybrid of P. scalare and P. eimekei. > > While I'm not an ichthyologist, and I don't believe any of us here > are, in studying various papers pertaining to these fish, and despite > the current apparent acceptance of P. scalare as our current hobby > fish with the dissolution of the P. eimekei as a valid name by many, > I find I must go along with Leonard Schultz's 1953 original revision > of this Genus and recognize (besides P. scalare) the existance of P. > eimekei as described by Ernest Ahl in 1928. I further cite C.Tate > Regan and Jacques Pellegrin (1930), C.H. Peters (134), W.T. Innes > (1935), W. Vorderwinkler (1965) and Gunther Sterba (1967), all coming > to the same conclusion that P. eimekei should never have been lumped > with P. scalare as one species as these leading authorities had > recognized P. eimekei as a separate species at those times. As we > know, in fish nomenclature and those who would re-describe fish, > there are splitters and there are lumpers. I just feel that these > lumpers have gotten too carried away; my humble opinion. > > No one has ever challenged Lichtenstein's original description of P. > scalare in 1823, but we are talking about the fish that is now > presently in the hobby, and I see no other explanation for the size > discrepancy especially after reviewing all the data; it doesn't > appear as though we are just left with a stunted P. scalare as our > present Angelfish. > > By the way, Lichtenstein states P. scalare's size in his description > of the fish from its type specimens as 15cm (6"). It's > understandable that he may not have collected the largest of the > large when obtaining his specimens, but perhaps 8" SL is akin to some > of these game fish "sizes" when stories are kept circulating about > them <g>l. It's just too bad that some of us never kept those large > P. scalare from many years past going all this while, but strains of > any species kept going for that long are rare -- the killiefish, > Scriptaphyosemion calabaricus being at least one exception. > > Anyhow, to get back to distinct differences needing to be considered > for these two Angelfish in question, Lichtenstein describes P. > scalare as having a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XI and XII hard > rays and 24 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI hard rays > and 26 - 28 soft rays. The oblique scale row count for this fish is > 38 - 40. > > Now, P. eikekei has a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XII and XIII > hard rays and 21 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI to VII > hard rays and 22 - 27 soft rays. The oblique scale row count is 28 > to 36. Yes, some of these counts are close, which one would expect > from such closely related species, yet I still see them as two > distinct species and have to maintain that our present Angelfish are > as previously stated (either P. eimekei or a hybrid of both) which > explains its current size. Ahl, in 1928, describes P. eimekei's size > as reaching a length of 12cm (4 15/16" - or close to 5"); length in > fish taxonomy meaning SL. This coincides with what we have in the > hobby today, and while large deep tanks are required for proper > rearing of Angelfish, they needn't be of proportions required to > house 8" SL Angels -- which are never seen as far as I'm aware. Note > that I'm not addressing this at you but to those who would maintain > such excessive requirements for our present Angelfish. There are too > many "factual" Google searches which still support such large Angels > as being around in the hobby when they are not. > > BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC > convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I > noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone > else here is going we could set up something for a get together. > I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until > Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there > Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some > of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as > I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although > I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would > probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet > up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at > the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. > any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be > postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for > Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37791	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Crazy Laws

I am watching the Fox News Channel right now, as I go through my e-mail, and, apparently, in Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk. So, I would want to advise those Ohioans on this list that if you take your fish out for a night of carousing around and drinking, be very careful how much your fish drink. I do not know if the law applies to those who drink like a fish, however. Perhaps, if you live in Ohio, you could let us know. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37792	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]

Steve, the first day there is an open meeting of an aquatic plant club.do they have a planted tank competition as part of the event? I'd love to go to one of those. This event is probably a 2 hour drive for me. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock] Ray, et al., I'll be there sometime late Friday afternoon--exact arrival depends on many factors, like when I leave, traffic, weather, how many calls I get for support where I may need to pull off and log into someone's computer or server to resolve an issue, etc. (good thing Lynne will not be with me--she hates the calls). I'll be leaving Sunday, probably between Noon and 1 PM, though it may be a bit later. (it is, after all, about a 7 hour drive.) For those of you who do not have a clue what we are talking about, this event is one of the premier events in the organized aquarium hobby. This is its 34th year, and Aline Finley figured out that I have not been to a total of 4 of the events since its inception. While we call it the NEC for short, NEC really stands for Northeast Council of Aquarium Societies. The event used to be called Winter Weekend Workshop, but is now called the Annual NEC Convention. Speakers come from all over the map, both geographically and aquarium-wise. This year's speakers include: Dr. Wolfgang Staeck - From Berlin, Germany--Tropheus of Lake Tanganyika and Tetras of South America. Stephan M. Tanner, Ph.D. - Switzerland--Catfish Nutrition Ole Pedersen - Copenhagen, Denmark--He will speak on CO2 Friday evening and on algae on Saturday Karen Randall - Massachusetts--She will present a program on her two trips collecting in Thailand (banquet speaker) Rusty Wessel - Kentucky--discussing the Thorichthys species of Central America Les Kaufman - Massachusetts--how we can shape the aquarium hobby and profession into a force for conservation (Saturday morning buffet speaker) Bruce Turner, Ph.D. - Virginia--talk at the NELA Livebearer Discussion Group Friday afternoon and also present a seminar Saturday on The Atlantic Pupfishes Ghazanfar Ghori - Virginia--a program on Cryptocoryne at the AGA meeting Friday afternoon. Justin Credabel - Connecticut--no particular subject given, but apparently, on corals. One interesting fact is that many speakers ask to come back again, and, if not invited as a speaker, come anyway for the weekend. Some people likely to be there are Lee Finley (a regular attendee), Ray "Kingfish" Lucas with his vendor display, Gary Lang is a frequent visitor, Mike Hellweg (_Culturing Live Foods_ author) shows up every few years, Mike Schadle, and others. You can still register for the event, which is held at the Hartford Marriott, Farmington CT. Go to http://northeastcou <http://northeastcouncil.org> ncil.org for information. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > Hi \\Steve//, Just thought I'd mention that in the interest of > accuracy, I think it's safe to assume that while we know Pterophyllum > scalare reach fairly good proportions in the wild, these 8" SL > Angelfish that both you and Lenny mention do no longer have any > relevance to Angelfish now found in the hobby. As I notice your > pointing out, that even you have not seen such sized fish in the > hobby any longer yourself for some time (since the Angelfish virus of > the late 1980's), coupled with the fact that no one else has seen > such fish in recent years (and I refer to our many knowledgeable > aquarium legends), I think we can dismiss these fish from being in > the hobby any longer. > > While many of us have had such large P. scalare in the past, myself > included, I have not seen these Angelfish of such large proportions > for about 35 years now, or just after the time when the Florida fish > farms really started knocking them out in earnest. I started working > with these fish in 1953 and remember them well. Within the next 20 > years, they seemed to have all been replaced by somewhat smaller > Angelfish. There are those on the Aquarium Hobby History group, whom > also lived through that very period as I, who will insist that in our > hobby, P. scalare has been replaced with either P. eimekei or a > hybrid of P. scalare and P. eimekei. > > While I'm not an ichthyologist, and I don't believe any of us here > are, in studying various papers pertaining to these fish, and despite > the current apparent acceptance of P. scalare as our current hobby > fish with the dissolution of the P. eimekei as a valid name by many, > I find I must go along with Leonard Schultz's 1953 original revision > of this Genus and recognize (besides P. scalare) the existance of P. > eimekei as described by Ernest Ahl in 1928. I further cite C.Tate > Regan and Jacques Pellegrin (1930), C.H. Peters (134), W.T. Innes > (1935), W. Vorderwinkler (1965) and Gunther Sterba (1967), all coming > to the same conclusion that P. eimekei should never have been lumped > with P. scalare as one species as these leading authorities had > recognized P. eimekei as a separate species at those times. As we > know, in fish nomenclature and those who would re-describe fish, > there are splitters and there are lumpers. I just feel that these > lumpers have gotten too carried away; my humble opinion. > > No one has ever challenged Lichtenstein's original description of P. > scalare in 1823, but we are talking about the fish that is now > presently in the hobby, and I see no other explanation for the size > discrepancy especially after reviewing all the data; it doesn't > appear as though we are just left with a stunted P. scalare as our > present Angelfish. > > By the way, Lichtenstein states P. scalare's size in his description > of the fish from its type specimens as 15cm (6"). It's > understandable that he may not have collected the largest of the > large when obtaining his specimens, but perhaps 8" SL is akin to some > of these game fish "sizes" when stories are kept circulating about > them <g>l. It's just too bad that some of us never kept those large > P. scalare from many years past going all this while, but strains of > any species kept going for that long are rare -- the killiefish, > Scriptaphyosemion calabaricus being at least one exception. > > Anyhow, to get back to distinct differences needing to be considered > for these two Angelfish in question, Lichtenstein describes P. > scalare as having a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XI and XII hard > rays and 24 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI hard rays > and 26 - 28 soft rays. The oblique scale row count for this fish is > 38 - 40. > > Now, P. eikekei has a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XII and XIII > hard rays and 21 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI to VII > hard rays and 22 - 27 soft rays. The oblique scale row count is 28 > to 36. Yes, some of these counts are close, which one would expect > from such closely related species, yet I still see them as two > distinct species and have to maintain that our present Angelfish are > as previously stated (either P. eimekei or a hybrid of both) which > explains its current size. Ahl, in 1928, describes P. eimekei's size > as reaching a length of 12cm (4 15/16" - or close to 5"); length in > fish taxonomy meaning SL. This coincides with what we have in the > hobby today, and while large deep tanks are required for proper > rearing of Angelfish, they needn't be of proportions required to > house 8" SL Angels -- which are never seen as far as I'm aware. Note > that I'm not addressing this at you but to those who would maintain > such excessive requirements for our present Angelfish. There are too > many "factual" Google searches which still support such large Angels > as being around in the hobby when they are not. > > BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC > convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I > noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone > else here is going we could set up something for a get together. > I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until > Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there > Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some > of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as > I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although > I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would > probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet > up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at > the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. > any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be > postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for > Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37793	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Need help with filtration

Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37794	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37795	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

I'm not sure about the TopFin 60 but the Aquamaster says up to 600 gph. I did remove the topfin because it looked it is too much with it. The clown loach you are right though and I knew it when I bought him.. Looks like I have one male and 2 female yellow labs. I have one bigger cobalt zebra with one egg spot on it. I'm not sure what other 3 would like and they would like. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37796	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

Not sure I was clear. Labs like to be in groups of 5-6 so I’d add 3 more yellow labs. Ratio isn’t as critical with them. Zebras are aggressive so one male and 4-5 females would work better. You can’t determine sex by the eggspots since both males and females have them (or not). If they are still juvelines (less than 6 inches long, not breeding yet) then just get 5-6 of each and sort out the males when they mature. One more species, 5 fish. Rusties? Or if you do not want another species, then just up the number of cobalts and labs. Maybe 7 or 8 of each. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:20 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration I'm not sure about the TopFin 60 but the Aquamaster says up to 600 gph. I did remove the topfin because it looked it is too much with it. The clown loach you are right though and I knew it when I bought him.. Looks like I have one male and 2 female yellow labs. I have one bigger cobalt zebra with one egg spot on it. I'm not sure what other 3 would like and they would like. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37797	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

Thank you.. I have thought about the Rusties :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Not sure I was clear. Labs like to be in groups of 5-6 so I'd add 3 more yellow labs. Ratio isn't as critical with them. Zebras are aggressive so one male and 4-5 females would work better. You can't determine sex by the eggspots since both males and females have them (or not). If they are still juvelines (less than 6 inches long, not breeding yet) then just get 5-6 of each and sort out the males when they mature. One more species, 5 fish. Rusties? Or if you do not want another species, then just up the number of cobalts and labs. Maybe 7 or 8 of each. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:20 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration I'm not sure about the TopFin 60 but the Aquamaster says up to 600 gph. I did remove the topfin because it looked it is too much with it. The clown loach you are right though and I knew it when I bought him.. Looks like I have one male and 2 female yellow labs. I have one bigger cobalt zebra with one egg spot on it. I'm not sure what other 3 would like and they would like. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37798	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

Maingano? Just something that is not a zebra, lab, light blue or yellow. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Thank you.. I have thought about the Rusties :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Not sure I was clear. Labs like to be in groups of 5-6 so I'd add 3 more yellow labs. Ratio isn't as critical with them. Zebras are aggressive so one male and 4-5 females would work better. You can't determine sex by the eggspots since both males and females have them (or not). If they are still juvelines (less than 6 inches long, not breeding yet) then just get 5-6 of each and sort out the males when they mature. One more species, 5 fish. Rusties? Or if you do not want another species, then just up the number of cobalts and labs. Maybe 7 or 8 of each. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:20 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration I'm not sure about the TopFin 60 but the Aquamaster says up to 600 gph. I did remove the topfin because it looked it is too much with it. The clown loach you are right though and I knew it when I bought him.. Looks like I have one male and 2 female yellow labs. I have one bigger cobalt zebra with one egg spot on it. I'm not sure what other 3 would like and they would like. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37799	From: Suzi	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

ohhh how pretty.. something to offset colors :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Maingano? Just something that is not a zebra, lab, light blue or yellow. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Thank you.. I have thought about the Rusties :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Not sure I was clear. Labs like to be in groups of 5-6 so I'd add 3 more yellow labs. Ratio isn't as critical with them. Zebras are aggressive so one male and 4-5 females would work better. You can't determine sex by the eggspots since both males and females have them (or not). If they are still juvelines (less than 6 inches long, not breeding yet) then just get 5-6 of each and sort out the males when they mature. One more species, 5 fish. Rusties? Or if you do not want another species, then just up the number of cobalts and labs. Maybe 7 or 8 of each. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:20 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration I'm not sure about the TopFin 60 but the Aquamaster says up to 600 gph. I did remove the topfin because it looked it is too much with it. The clown loach you are right though and I knew it when I bought him.. Looks like I have one male and 2 female yellow labs. I have one bigger cobalt zebra with one egg spot on it. I'm not sure what other 3 would like and they would like. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Ransome To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration What is the gph for those filters? I'd put a lot more fish in this tank to spread aggression.at least three more each of the labs and zebras, and probably another species as well. I'd remove the clown though, they like to be in groups of 6 and are better in a 72" tank. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help with filtration Hi, I have a 55gal cichlid tank. I had a Penguin for 40gal and Top Fin 60. The motor is history on Penguin so I put in the spare filter..Aquamaster 600. I notice while only Top Fin working, the water doesn't move in half of the tank at all.. not even the top. I need to know if this is too much filtering with the Aquamaster 600. Any suggestions for better filtration? I have 3 electric yellow labs, 3 cobalt zebras and a clown loach in the tank. ----- Have a great day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37800	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]

Not that I am aware, however, they usually have a tank or two set up in the vendor room. Starting at 9 PM on Friday, there is a plant only auction. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:54 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock] > > Steve, the first day there is an open meeting of an aquatic plant club.do > they have a planted tank competition as part of the event? I'd love to go > to one of those. This event is probably a 2 hour drive for me. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: OT: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock] > > > > Ray, et al., > > I'll be there sometime late Friday afternoon--exact arrival depends on > many factors, like when I leave, traffic, weather, how many calls I get > for support where I may need to pull off and log into someone's computer > or server to resolve an issue, etc. (good thing Lynne will not be with > me--she hates the calls). I'll be leaving Sunday, probably between Noon > and 1 PM, though it may be a bit later. (it is, after all, about a 7 > hour drive.) > > For those of you who do not have a clue what we are talking about, this > event is one of the premier events in the organized aquarium hobby. This > is its 34th year, and Aline Finley figured out that I have not been to a > total of 4 of the events since its inception. While we call it the NEC > for short, NEC really stands for Northeast Council of Aquarium > Societies. The event used to be called Winter Weekend Workshop, but is > now called the Annual NEC Convention. > > Speakers come from all over the map, both geographically and > aquarium-wise. > > This year's speakers include: > Dr. Wolfgang Staeck - From Berlin, Germany--Tropheus of Lake Tanganyika > and Tetras of South America. > Stephan M. Tanner, Ph.D. - Switzerland--Catfish Nutrition > Ole Pedersen - Copenhagen, Denmark--He will speak on CO2 Friday evening > and on algae on Saturday > Karen Randall - Massachusetts--She will present a program on her two > trips collecting in Thailand (banquet speaker) > Rusty Wessel - Kentucky--discussing the Thorichthys species of Central > America > Les Kaufman - Massachusetts--how we can shape the aquarium hobby and > profession into a force for conservation (Saturday morning buffet > speaker) > Bruce Turner, Ph.D. - Virginia--talk at the NELA Livebearer Discussion > Group Friday afternoon and also present a seminar Saturday on The > Atlantic Pupfishes > Ghazanfar Ghori - Virginia--a program on Cryptocoryne at the AGA meeting > Friday afternoon. > Justin Credabel - Connecticut--no particular subject given, but > apparently, on corals. > > One interesting fact is that many speakers ask to come back again, and, > if not invited as a speaker, come anyway for the weekend. Some people > likely to be there are Lee Finley (a regular attendee), Ray "Kingfish" > Lucas with his vendor display, Gary Lang is a frequent visitor, Mike > Hellweg (_Culturing Live Foods_ author) shows up every few years, Mike > Schadle, and others. > > You can still register for the event, which is held at the Hartford > Marriott, Farmington CT. Go to http://northeastcou > <http://northeastcouncil.org> ncil.org for > information. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > > > Hi \\Steve//, Just thought I'd mention that in the interest of > > accuracy, I think it's safe to assume that while we know Pterophyllum > > scalare reach fairly good proportions in the wild, these 8" SL > > Angelfish that both you and Lenny mention do no longer have any > > relevance to Angelfish now found in the hobby. As I notice your > > pointing out, that even you have not seen such sized fish in the > > hobby any longer yourself for some time (since the Angelfish virus of > > the late 1980's), coupled with the fact that no one else has seen > > such fish in recent years (and I refer to our many knowledgeable > > aquarium legends), I think we can dismiss these fish from being in > > the hobby any longer. > > > > While many of us have had such large P. scalare in the past, myself > > included, I have not seen these Angelfish of such large proportions > > for about 35 years now, or just after the time when the Florida fish > > farms really started knocking them out in earnest. I started working > > with these fish in 1953 and remember them well. Within the next 20 > > years, they seemed to have all been replaced by somewhat smaller > > Angelfish. There are those on the Aquarium Hobby History group, whom > > also lived through that very period as I, who will insist that in our > > hobby, P. scalare has been replaced with either P. eimekei or a > > hybrid of P. scalare and P. eimekei. > > > > While I'm not an ichthyologist, and I don't believe any of us here > > are, in studying various papers pertaining to these fish, and despite > > the current apparent acceptance of P. scalare as our current hobby > > fish with the dissolution of the P. eimekei as a valid name by many, > > I find I must go along with Leonard Schultz's 1953 original revision > > of this Genus and recognize (besides P. scalare) the existance of P. > > eimekei as described by Ernest Ahl in 1928. I further cite C.Tate > > Regan and Jacques Pellegrin (1930), C.H. Peters (134), W.T. Innes > > (1935), W. Vorderwinkler (1965) and Gunther Sterba (1967), all coming > > to the same conclusion that P. eimekei should never have been lumped > > with P. scalare as one species as these leading authorities had > > recognized P. eimekei as a separate species at those times. As we > > know, in fish nomenclature and those who would re-describe fish, > > there are splitters and there are lumpers. I just feel that these > > lumpers have gotten too carried away; my humble opinion. > > > > No one has ever challenged Lichtenstein's original description of P. > > scalare in 1823, but we are talking about the fish that is now > > presently in the hobby, and I see no other explanation for the size > > discrepancy especially after reviewing all the data; it doesn't > > appear as though we are just left with a stunted P. scalare as our > > present Angelfish. > > > > By the way, Lichtenstein states P. scalare's size in his description > > of the fish from its type specimens as 15cm (6"). It's > > understandable that he may not have collected the largest of the > > large when obtaining his specimens, but perhaps 8" SL is akin to some > > of these game fish "sizes" when stories are kept circulating about > > them <g>l. It's just too bad that some of us never kept those large > > P. scalare from many years past going all this while, but strains of > > any species kept going for that long are rare -- the killiefish, > > Scriptaphyosemion calabaricus being at least one exception. > > > > Anyhow, to get back to distinct differences needing to be considered > > for these two Angelfish in question, Lichtenstein describes P. > > scalare as having a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XI and XII hard > > rays and 24 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI hard rays > > and 26 - 28 soft rays. The oblique scale row count for this fish is > > 38 - 40. > > > > Now, P. eikekei has a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XII and XIII > > hard rays and 21 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI to VII > > hard rays and 22 - 27 soft rays. The oblique scale row count is 28 > > to 36. Yes, some of these counts are close, which one would expect > > from such closely related species, yet I still see them as two > > distinct species and have to maintain that our present Angelfish are > > as previously stated (either P. eimekei or a hybrid of both) which > > explains its current size. Ahl, in 1928, describes P. eimekei's size > > as reaching a length of 12cm (4 15/16" - or close to 5"); length in > > fish taxonomy meaning SL. This coincides with what we have in the > > hobby today, and while large deep tanks are required for proper > > rearing of Angelfish, they needn't be of proportions required to > > house 8" SL Angels -- which are never seen as far as I'm aware. Note > > that I'm not addressing this at you but to those who would maintain > > such excessive requirements for our present Angelfish. There are too > > many "factual" Google searches which still support such large Angels > > as being around in the hobby when they are not. > > > > BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC > > convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I > > noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone > > else here is going we could set up something for a get together. > > I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until > > Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there > > Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some > > of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as > > I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although > > I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would > > probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet > > up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at > > the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. > > any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be > > postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for > > Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37801	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: have a question.

I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37802	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Chlorine is fairly volatile and most of it will dissipate when the water is exposed to air, however, today, many localities are no longer using chlorine, but use what is known as chloramines, which is much more stable than chlorine itself. It is a mixture of chlorine and ammonia. For this, you really need to use a water conditioner. Letting water sit for a period will also help stabilize the pH of the water. Many localities will boost the pH of the water using what are, in essence, temporary buffers to help protect their pipes from corrosion. However, the change in pH when compared to the amount of water changed, and your current pH is not great, and should not bother most fish. It is possible to speed the process some if you use an airstone in the standing water, which will have the effect of circulating the water in the container, exposing more of it to the air (and the bubble stream, though this is a minimal effect). The use of water conditioner will also handle these processes, and many also have the effect of removing, or neutralizing any heavy metals that may be in the water you have. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question. > > I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone > from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good > for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37803	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Barrel Eye Fish

Some of you are sure to recall the barrel eye fish link I posted here a few weeks back. The other day, a list member sent me the link below, which contains an excellent video of this fish and some better photos of it. I held back posting this, thinking he may also post here (he had also sent it to others as well), but not having seen it, I am posting it now. http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2009/barreleye/barreleye.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/dfzqso \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37804	From: mattsmom	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws

Oh Lordy LOL well I guess the kids are done with Sat nights out!!! anna From: Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Crazy Laws I am watching the Fox News Channel right now, as I go through my e-mail, and, apparently, in Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk. So, I would want to advise those Ohioans on this list that if you take your fish out for a night of carousing around and drinking, be very careful how much your fish drink. I do not know if the law applies to those who drink like a fish, however. Perhaps, if you live in Ohio, you could let us know. \\Steve// ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37805	From: mattsmom	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws

is that considered contributing to the deliquncy of a Minor fish anna From: Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Crazy Laws I am watching the Fox News Channel right now, as I go through my e-mail, and, apparently, in Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk. So, I would want to advise those Ohioans on this list that if you take your fish out for a night of carousing around and drinking, be very careful how much your fish drink. I do not know if the law applies to those who drink like a fish, however. Perhaps, if you live in Ohio, you could let us know. \\Steve// ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37806	From: Dora Smith	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Crazy Laws

Illegal to get a fish drunk?! Well, you know, hillbillies with booze like to get all their pets drunk, and to get a goldfish drunk you need only pour booze in its tank, but I wonder why the law would apply specifically to fish? Do you think maybe this was part of a hazing rtiual where people had to swallow goldfish? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:47 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Crazy Laws I am watching the Fox News Channel right now, as I go through my e-mail, and, apparently, in Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk. So, I would want to advise those Ohioans on this list that if you take your fish out for a night of carousing around and drinking, be very careful how much your fish drink. I do not know if the law applies to those who drink like a fish, however. Perhaps, if you live in Ohio, you could let us know. \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37807	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: RO units

I know nothing about reverse osmosis but I guess its time I did. So I want to know if I can re use the water in my tanks by filtering through one of these, my water company think I'm employing them all with the water I use!! and can I stop buying that awfull water conditioner as well, I only keep FW tanks. Garry ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Other gaseous compounds will usually outgas, such as elevated levels of CO2, O2, etc... including Chlorine. You see, chlorine is actually a gas but, in simple terms, can be compounded into other forms to be used, such as in swimming pools (chlorine granules or blocks), water utility (they usually use the gaseous form and inject it into the water), etc... but after the 24-48 hour period, the chlorine works its way back into its natural gaseous state and then outgases from the water. The answer to this problem, of losing so much chlorine, by public utilities was to start using chloramine (a chemical compound made up of chlorine and ammonia compounds). Chloramine does NOT breakdown very easily on its own so the chlorine gas part of the compound does not outgas out of the water. It would take one to two weeks... possibly longer.. of having water with chloramine sitting around before the chloramine would break down on it's own.. thus the reason to use a dechlor product... usually containing Sodium Thiosulfate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_thiosulfate or another compound similar to ST. Most dechlor products used in aquaria also have a chemical compound that treats for heavy metals in the water, usually based on EDTA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTA. Your dechlor product does NOT need to have anything more than the above two compounds for 99% of users. In certain cases where one might have high ammonia levels in their tap water and a high pH situation where even low levels of ammonia can be danger, or when cycling a tank with fish (not recommended), then using a product like SeaChem's Prime or Kordon's Amquel equivalent, to turn the ammonia into a less toxic compound. There is no reason that I know of to use dechlor products that contain any other chemicals... chemicals that are advertised as stress-this or slime-that type products. While Aloe is fine for treating s minor burn on a human's skin but I don't think it's needed for our fish, especially since our fish have to breathe everything we put in their water so it's best to put only the bare necessities. The other chemicals simply add stuff to the water that our fish have to breathe 24/7. The slime promoting chemicals are usually just based on salt or some other irritant that causes the fish to promote a heavier slime-coat... which isn't needed in most cases of healthy fish and if you did need to add something that promotes a heavier slime-coat, simply add some table salt when needed... NOT all the time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question. I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37809	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: RO units

Operating an RO unit is not cheap. I'm sure your fresh water from the tap and dechlor product is MUCH, MUCH less expensive. And then, when using an RO unit, you would likely have to use a product like Kent's R/O Right.. which would add back the necessary minerals to the water to make it usable for our fish tanks. Kent's R/O Right is more expensive than normal tap water dechlor products. 100% RO water would not sustain fish.. although there may be an exception.. but I doubt it. This long article on "Water Purification" discusses RO and other information that is good for most fish keepers to at least have a general knowledge of. RO is about 1/2 way down the page. http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/water_purification.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RO units I know nothing about reverse osmosis but I guess its time I did. So I want to know if I can re use the water in my tanks by filtering through one of these, my water company think I'm employing them all with the water I use!! and can I stop buying that awfull water conditioner as well, I only keep FW tanks. Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37810	From: Lisa	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: I have fry!

I have babies! From what I managed to save from the tank, i have one swordtail, Which looks black. And about 4 guppy fry. There were others in the tank but I couldn't find them, I know there was another swordtail and a few other guppies. So I hope they didn't get eaten overnight. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37811	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube

I sorted the problem out guys, it's ok. I cleaned the tubes, and replaced the airstones, and  now it's working fine.   Thanks for all your help.   Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uplift tube

You know.. you don't have to actually have airstones in the uplift tubes. Just running an airline down the tube will work and the bigger bubbles will push more water up the tube faster and further, if the airstone is partially blocking the tubes diameter, the airstone might be hindering the flow of water, rather than helping it. Try it with and without to see which method gives you the best flow. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Lawless Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Problem uplift tube I sorted the problem out guys, it's ok. I cleaned the tubes, and replaced the airstones, and  now it's working fine.   Thanks for all your help.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37813	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water.  You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37814	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

That's why you haven't seen any fish with cavities in the past 30 years. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Hawk Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water.  You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37815	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock]

I just received some news from the NEC which tells of extending the discount rate period to March 16th, so you can save a few bucks on the registration, if you plan to attend. Also, keep in mind that if you wish to stay at the hotel (Hartford Marriott in Farmington, CT), the discounted rate can only be had until March 6th. Also, Justin Credabel will be speaking on Corals, as I speculated previously. Visit the NEC site, http://northeastcouncil.org for more information. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Szabo > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:40 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: OT: NEC [WSA RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock] > > Ray, et al., > > I'll be there sometime late Friday afternoon--exact arrival depends on > many factors, like when I leave, traffic, weather, how many calls I get > for support where I may need to pull off and log into someone's computer > or server to resolve an issue, etc. (good thing Lynne will not be with > me--she hates the calls). I'll be leaving Sunday, probably between Noon > and 1 PM, though it may be a bit later. (it is, after all, about a 7 > hour drive.) > > For those of you who do not have a clue what we are talking about, this > event is one of the premier events in the organized aquarium hobby. This > is its 34th year, and Aline Finley figured out that I have not been to a > total of 4 of the events since its inception. While we call it the NEC > for short, NEC really stands for Northeast Council of Aquarium > Societies. The event used to be called Winter Weekend Workshop, but is > now called the Annual NEC Convention. > > Speakers come from all over the map, both geographically and > aquarium-wise. > > This year's speakers include: > Dr. Wolfgang Staeck - From Berlin, Germany--Tropheus of Lake Tanganyika > and Tetras of South America. > Stephan M. Tanner, Ph.D. - Switzerland--Catfish Nutrition > Ole Pedersen - Copenhagen, Denmark--He will speak on CO2 Friday evening > and on algae on Saturday > Karen Randall - Massachusetts--She will present a program on her two > trips collecting in Thailand (banquet speaker) > Rusty Wessel - Kentucky--discussing the Thorichthys species of Central > America > Les Kaufman - Massachusetts--how we can shape the aquarium hobby and > profession into a force for conservation (Saturday morning buffet > speaker) > Bruce Turner, Ph.D. - Virginia--talk at the NELA Livebearer Discussion > Group Friday afternoon and also present a seminar Saturday on The > Atlantic Pupfishes > Ghazanfar Ghori - Virginia--a program on Cryptocoryne at the AGA meeting > Friday afternoon. > Justin Credabel - Connecticut--no particular subject given, but > apparently, on corals. > > One interesting fact is that many speakers ask to come back again, and, > if not invited as a speaker, come anyway for the weekend. Some people > likely to be there are Lee Finley (a regular attendee), Ray "Kingfish" > Lucas with his vendor display, Gary Lang is a frequent visitor, Mike > Hellweg (_Culturing Live Foods_ author) shows up every few years, Mike > Schadle, and others. > > You can still register for the event, which is held at the Hartford > Marriott, Farmington CT. Go to http://northeastcouncil.org for > information. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Cichlid stock > > > > Hi \\Steve//, Just thought I'd mention that in the interest of > > accuracy, I think it's safe to assume that while we know Pterophyllum > > scalare reach fairly good proportions in the wild, these 8" SL > > Angelfish that both you and Lenny mention do no longer have any > > relevance to Angelfish now found in the hobby. As I notice your > > pointing out, that even you have not seen such sized fish in the > > hobby any longer yourself for some time (since the Angelfish virus of > > the late 1980's), coupled with the fact that no one else has seen > > such fish in recent years (and I refer to our many knowledgeable > > aquarium legends), I think we can dismiss these fish from being in > > the hobby any longer. > > > > While many of us have had such large P. scalare in the past, myself > > included, I have not seen these Angelfish of such large proportions > > for about 35 years now, or just after the time when the Florida fish > > farms really started knocking them out in earnest. I started working > > with these fish in 1953 and remember them well. Within the next 20 > > years, they seemed to have all been replaced by somewhat smaller > > Angelfish. There are those on the Aquarium Hobby History group, whom > > also lived through that very period as I, who will insist that in our > > hobby, P. scalare has been replaced with either P. eimekei or a > > hybrid of P. scalare and P. eimekei. > > > > While I'm not an ichthyologist, and I don't believe any of us here > > are, in studying various papers pertaining to these fish, and despite > > the current apparent acceptance of P. scalare as our current hobby > > fish with the dissolution of the P. eimekei as a valid name by many, > > I find I must go along with Leonard Schultz's 1953 original revision > > of this Genus and recognize (besides P. scalare) the existance of P. > > eimekei as described by Ernest Ahl in 1928. I further cite C.Tate > > Regan and Jacques Pellegrin (1930), C.H. Peters (134), W.T. Innes > > (1935), W. Vorderwinkler (1965) and Gunther Sterba (1967), all coming > > to the same conclusion that P. eimekei should never have been lumped > > with P. scalare as one species as these leading authorities had > > recognized P. eimekei as a separate species at those times. As we > > know, in fish nomenclature and those who would re-describe fish, > > there are splitters and there are lumpers. I just feel that these > > lumpers have gotten too carried away; my humble opinion. > > > > No one has ever challenged Lichtenstein's original description of P. > > scalare in 1823, but we are talking about the fish that is now > > presently in the hobby, and I see no other explanation for the size > > discrepancy especially after reviewing all the data; it doesn't > > appear as though we are just left with a stunted P. scalare as our > > present Angelfish. > > > > By the way, Lichtenstein states P. scalare's size in his description > > of the fish from its type specimens as 15cm (6"). It's > > understandable that he may not have collected the largest of the > > large when obtaining his specimens, but perhaps 8" SL is akin to some > > of these game fish "sizes" when stories are kept circulating about > > them <g>l. It's just too bad that some of us never kept those large > > P. scalare from many years past going all this while, but strains of > > any species kept going for that long are rare -- the killiefish, > > Scriptaphyosemion calabaricus being at least one exception. > > > > Anyhow, to get back to distinct differences needing to be considered > > for these two Angelfish in question, Lichtenstein describes P. > > scalare as having a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XI and XII hard > > rays and 24 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI hard rays > > and 26 - 28 soft rays. The oblique scale row count for this fish is > > 38 - 40. > > > > Now, P. eikekei has a Dorsal Fin ray count of between XII and XIII > > hard rays and 21 - 25 soft rays. The Anal Fin ray count is VI to VII > > hard rays and 22 - 27 soft rays. The oblique scale row count is 28 > > to 36. Yes, some of these counts are close, which one would expect > > from such closely related species, yet I still see them as two > > distinct species and have to maintain that our present Angelfish are > > as previously stated (either P. eimekei or a hybrid of both) which > > explains its current size. Ahl, in 1928, describes P. eimekei's size > > as reaching a length of 12cm (4 15/16" - or close to 5"); length in > > fish taxonomy meaning SL. This coincides with what we have in the > > hobby today, and while large deep tanks are required for proper > > rearing of Angelfish, they needn't be of proportions required to > > house 8" SL Angels -- which are never seen as far as I'm aware. Note > > that I'm not addressing this at you but to those who would maintain > > such excessive requirements for our present Angelfish. There are too > > many "factual" Google searches which still support such large Angels > > as being around in the hobby when they are not. > > > > BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC > > convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I > > noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone > > else here is going we could set up something for a get together. > > I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until > > Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there > > Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some > > of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as > > I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although > > I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would > > probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet > > up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at > > the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. > > any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be > > postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for > > Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37816	From: William	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: NEC convention

As some of you might know, I am on the conservation committee for the NEC and this year we are raising money for the North American conservation. We are having a silent auction starting on Saturday at noon and ending up on Sunday. I am asking anyone who wishes to donate unusual or rare fish for this to let me know (so I car arrange tanks for the fish. I had contacted Mark from anubiasdesign and he said that if I coud find someone coming this way he would donate some fish for us. If anyone coming to the NEC could swing by Marks place to pick up donations for us that would be greatly appreciated. > > BTW, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be going up to the NEC > convention. I'll make it a point to touch base with you, and I > noticed William M (Dreammaker) is intending on going too. If anyone > else here is going we could set up something for a get together. > I'll be coming up with Ted Coletti, but since he can't make it until > Saturday, I won't be arriving until then and will miss being there > Friday. We're planning on arriving about 9AM, probably catching some > of that buffet breakfast. I know I'll be hitting the vendor room as > I want to get back in touch with Tom Tilles and Lee Finley, although > I don't want to miss Wolfgang Staeck's talk on Tropheus. Lee would > probably be the one to keep in touch with. Maybe we could all meet > up at his table before we hit the lunch cart at 1:15PM or so, or at > the Innes Show room around 9AM (9:30?) if I get there early enough. > any replies from me regarding the above posts will have to be > postponed until this (Saturday) evening as I'll be leaving for > Atlantis Trop Fish with the group for the day. Regards, Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37817	From: drbernice843	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl

Hi, I need suggestions on where I can find quality fancy guppies in Jacksonville, Fl. Since I am not familiar with the area and have a limited time here, suggestions for either private breeders or businesses with extensive inventories appreciated!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37818	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl

In a message dated 3/1/2009 1:25:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, drbernice843@... writes: Hi, I need suggestions on where I can find quality fancy guppies in Jacksonville, Fl. Since I am not familiar with the area and have a limited time here, suggestions for either private breeders or businesses with extensive inventories appreciated! not a month ago I went thru Jacksonville and stopped at the PetsMart in Orange Park; they had a decent selection and I didn't think they were too pricey. I haven't lived in Jack since 2000, so I don't know if there are still LFS in Normandy Boulevard, but do a check in the yellow pages, there should be plenty shops. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37819	From: Lisa	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have fry!

I have 8 now! 1 swordtail, and 7 guppies Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37820	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

There could be anything in the water that we use, chloramine, copper rust from old pipes, anything. So, while our bodies can filter a lot of that crap out, and the guys at the treatment plant that filter your water do a good job at filtering it and making it drinkable, fish simply can't filter it out. So conditioners must be used. And that's only half of the stuff, that could be in the water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37821	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: RO units

Reverse osmosis is the process where a resin or filter removes all particles from the water leaving pure chemical free water. However, it is non discriminating it will take the good particles or minerals with the bad ones. So the trace elements that fish normally require in order to survive will be removed. I'm sure it will be ok if you have established tanks already, but I still recommend using the water conditioners to add some of the elements that the fish would need. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > I know nothing about reverse osmosis but I guess its time I did. > > So I want to know if I can re use the water in my tanks by filtering through > one of these, my water company think I'm employing them all with the water I > use!! and can I stop buying that awfull water conditioner as well, I only > keep FW tanks. > > Garry > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37822	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl

Your best bet... unless we have a member in the group from Jacksonville, FL that can give you better info... is to check with a local aquarium society. This site seems the most up to date and updated club/society page on the net for the USA... http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1 Here is Florida's page... http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1&r=25 And the copy/paste for the club in Jacksonville: First Coast Aquarium Society, Jacksonville, FL, myfcas@.... First Coast Aquarium Society Meeting - Introducing the place for First Coast aquarists. ~Share the hobby. ~Learn from fellow aquarists. ~Visits from special guests. ~Special events and trips. Monthly meetings begin January 19, 2008 at the Wesconnett Regional Library 3-5pm. Be a part of it from the beginning!!! For More information please visit http://myfcas.com/ The ALA - American Livebearers Association may be another source of info but their site is limited to what is available to non-members. http://livebearers.org/ Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of drbernice843 Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for Guppies in Jacksonville, Fl Hi, I need suggestions on where I can find quality fancy guppies in Jacksonville, Fl. Since I am not familiar with the area and have a limited time here, suggestions for either private breeders or businesses with extensive inventories appreciated!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37823	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Prime and othe dechor products...

Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the Python situation. I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See clipped from same article below... "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable level is undesirable." Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the experianced fishkeepers have to say? Harl

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37824	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

It is well water. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water.  You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37825	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

true and is why I use  a dechlorinator for the pwc's that I do -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 7:33 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: have a question. There could be anything in the water that we use, chloramine, copper rust from old pipes, anything. So, while our bodies can filter a lot of that crap out, and the guys at the treatment plant that filter your water do a good job at filtering it and making it drinkable, fish simply can't filter it out. So conditioners must be used. And that's only half of the stuff, that could be in the water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC o f the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37826	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Well water does not have chlorine. Unless it is a municipal well and they are adding it. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. It is well water. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hawk <claymoregold@ <mailto:claymoregold%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water. You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37827	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...

Interesting. I saw sodium metabisulfate mentioned in only one other place as I was looking around the web for dechlorination agents as I had always thought it was sodium thiosulfate that was used. It appears that sodium bisulfate (note the lack of the meta prefix) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) are used as dechlor agents, along with a few other things. There does seem to be some concern about a build-up of the sodium metabisulfate in aquariums, as it may affect fish adversely. I do think that more solid research into this is needed. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:32 PM > To: aquaticlife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... > > "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite > (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine > or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the > degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to > oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the > active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium > hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and > usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " > > I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my > question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office > situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the > Python situation. > > I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a > measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via > directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the > amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it > remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in > excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See > clipped from same article below... > > "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, > hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing > potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be > removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies > add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to > compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster > metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower > solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium > metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in > a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the > summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer > months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. > Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling > chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap > water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, > especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for > continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable > level is undesirable." > > Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I > need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL > application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious > problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring > the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the > experianced fishkeepers have to say? > > Harl >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37828	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...

While, overall, that article is a very good and comprehensive read, the downside is that it's not dated so I'm not sure how accurate some of the info is. The copyright on the bottom of the page goes from 1999 to 2006 so it could have been written in 1999 which could be one of the reasons for the mention of Sodium Bisulfate instead of Sodium Thiosulfate. Further, if you look at the left side of the page... http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/water_purification.html You'll see that it's mostly a UK and European site... still good information but there may be some things that are different concerning the use of which chemicals. As far as I know, Sodium Thiosulfate has been the primary dechlorinating agent in the USA for many years... I'm guessing at least 15+ years. I know that's what I used to buy in bulk for my ponds back then. I've also checked the MSDS for most of the tap water dechlors that are available in pet stores, etc., and the primary ingredient is always Sodium Thiolsulfate... at least in the USA. Of course, three of the references mentioned at the bottom of the article are USA references so I'm not sure but possibly the author changed the dechloring agent name from ST to SB/SMB when writing the article. Here's the PDF eBook for the "Pure Water Handbook" (1997 copyright) that is one of the references. http://www.osmolabstore.com/documents/pwh-s.pdf I did a search of the PDF document and there were 4 instances of "sodium metabisulfite" mentioned and they were mentioned about being used in the water utility process.. not as a dechlor product... namely on pages 87, 91 and then the other two were mentioned in text about water purification processes.. not as dechloring agents in aquaria. Hopefully, with the little they use at the processing plant in the disinfecting/neutralizing stages, not much is left or it's been converted into something else during the part where it's neutralizing something else.. so it's not making it into our fish tanks at any kind of level to worry about. I think this also answers the question about whether Sodium Thiosulfate or Sodium Metabisulfite is the dechloring chemical in tap water dechlors... primarily it's the former, not the latter. Up until now, I've never seen SB or SMB mentioned in dechlor products... of course, there are a few out there that claim proprietary privilege in their MSDS so they do not disclose what's in their products... Prime being one of them. So I guess we have to either trust that SeaChem isn't using a worse product to detoxify the ammonia. As far as overdosing of dechlor. I try not to do it. Certainly, if you overdose EVERY TIME you do a PWC, after a while, the dechlor chemicals could get to a high enough level to cause problems. If you only overdose, by accident, once in a while, within a couple of weekly PWC's, the level would average back down to normal again. Most dechlors have a margin of error and some even say it's OK to overdose by up to 10X's... but I don't recommend it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... Interesting. I saw sodium metabisulfate mentioned in only one other place as I was looking around the web for dechlorination agents as I had always thought it was sodium thiosulfate that was used. It appears that sodium bisulfate (note the lack of the meta prefix) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) are used as dechlor agents, along with a few other things. There does seem to be some concern about a build-up of the sodium metabisulfate in aquariums, as it may affect fish adversely. I do think that more solid research into this is needed. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Harl Myers > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:32 PM > To: aquaticlife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... > > "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite > (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine > or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the > degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to > oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the > active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium > hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and > usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " > > I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my > question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office > situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the > Python situation. > > I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a > measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via > directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the > amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it > remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in > excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See > clipped from same article below... > > "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, > hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing > potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be > removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies > add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to > compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster > metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower > solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium > metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in > a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the > summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer > months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. > Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling > chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap > water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, > especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for > continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable > level is undesirable." > > Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I > need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL > application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious > problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring > the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the > experianced fishkeepers have to say? > > Harl >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37829	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

and it is a well that serves a the trailer park I live in so, I think by law they have to have some form of chlorine in the water not sure though. -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 1:17 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have a question. Well water does not have chlorine. Unless it is a municipal well and they are adding it. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. It is well water. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hawk <claymoregold@ <mailto:claymoregold%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water. You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.C2´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37830	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and other dechor products...

Both sodium bisulfate and sodium metabisulfate were mentioned as dechlor agents and used by water supply houses to dechlorinate the water for various reasons, however one paper I looked at recommended sodium thiosulfate as the chemical of choice in an emergency, such as a water main break because it was easy to store and transport to the site where it was needed. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > While, overall, that article is a very good and comprehensive read, the > downside is that it's not dated so I'm not sure how accurate some of the > info is. The copyright on the bottom of the page goes from 1999 to 2006 so > it could have been written in 1999 which could be one of the reasons for the > mention of Sodium Bisulfate instead of Sodium Thiosulfate. Further, if you > look at the left side of the page... > http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/water_purification.html > You'll see that it's mostly a UK and European site... still good information > but there may be some things that are different concerning the use of which > chemicals. > > As far as I know, Sodium Thiosulfate has been the primary dechlorinating > agent in the USA for many years... I'm guessing at least 15+ years. I know > that's what I used to buy in bulk for my ponds back then. I've also checked > the MSDS for most of the tap water dechlors that are available in pet > stores, etc., and the primary ingredient is always Sodium Thiolsulfate... at > least in the USA. > > Of course, three of the references mentioned at the bottom of the article > are USA references so I'm not sure but possibly the author changed the > dechloring agent name from ST to SB/SMB when writing the article. > > Here's the PDF eBook for the "Pure Water Handbook" (1997 copyright) that is > one of the references. http://www.osmolabstore.com/documents/pwh-s.pdf I > did a search of the PDF document and there were 4 instances of "sodium > metabisulfite" mentioned and they were mentioned about being used in the > water utility process.. not as a dechlor product... namely on pages 87, 91 > and then the other two were mentioned in text about water purification > processes.. not as dechloring agents in aquaria. Hopefully, with the little > they use at the processing plant in the disinfecting/neutralizing stages, > not much is left or it's been converted into something else during the part > where it's neutralizing something else.. so it's not making it into our fish > tanks at any kind of level to worry about. > > I think this also answers the question about whether Sodium Thiosulfate or > Sodium Metabisulfite is the dechloring chemical in tap water dechlors... > primarily it's the former, not the latter. Up until now, I've never seen SB > or SMB mentioned in dechlor products... of course, there are a few out there > that claim proprietary privilege in their MSDS so they do not disclose > what's in their products... Prime being one of them. So I guess we have to > either trust that SeaChem isn't using a worse product to detoxify the > ammonia. > > As far as overdosing of dechlor. I try not to do it. Certainly, if you > overdose EVERY TIME you do a PWC, after a while, the dechlor chemicals could > get to a high enough level to cause problems. If you only overdose, by > accident, once in a while, within a couple of weekly PWC's, the level would > average back down to normal again. Most dechlors have a margin of error and > some even say it's OK to overdose by up to 10X's... but I don't recommend > it. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > Interesting. I saw sodium metabisulfate mentioned in only one other place as > I was looking around the web for dechlorination agents as I had always > thought it was sodium thiosulfate that was used. It appears that sodium > bisulfate (note the lack of the meta prefix) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) > are used as dechlor agents, along with a few other things. There does seem > to be some concern about a build-up of the sodium metabisulfate in > aquariums, as it may affect fish adversely. I do think that more solid > research into this is needed. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Harl Myers > > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:32 PM > > To: aquaticlife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > > > Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... > > > > "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite > > (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine > > or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the > > degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to > > oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the > > active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium > > hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and > > usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " > > > > I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my > > question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office > > situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the > > Python situation. > > > > I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a > > measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via > > directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the > > amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it > > remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in > > excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See > > clipped from same article below... > > > > "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, > > hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing > > potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be > > removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies > > add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to > > compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster > > metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower > > solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium > > metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in > > a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the > > summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer > > months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. > > Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling > > chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap > > water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, > > especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for > > continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable > > level is undesirable." > > > > Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I > > need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL > > application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious > > problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring > > the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the > > experianced fishkeepers have to say? > > > > Harl > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37831	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Actually, unless you have a well and chlorinate your own water, it is no longer likely that letting it sit for 24 hours will dissipate the chlorine. Reason is that municipal water today is usually treated with chloramines, a stronger substance that is far more stable. And you can't use a simple dechlorinator to remove it. At the very least you have to use a product that specifically removes chloramines. Now, chloramines break down into ammonia, both spontaneously, and when treated with something to remove chloramines. Among other things, this can raise the ammonia levels in water that comes straight from the tap, to levels beween .2 and .6 ppm. Lenny believes that that won't bother a cycled tank, but I never take that chance. I use a product that also gets rid of the ammonia. Actually, I think it converts it to a nontoxic form that can still affect your ammonia test results, which is important to know. Now, these days the ammonia level in my tank is usually 0, but that could be because the stuff was eventually processed by my nitrogen processing bacteria. I use the same stuff to process water for my microscopy cultures. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question. I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37832	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

This varies greatly, and the effect varies as well. The ph of some peoples' tap water goes up when exposed to air and other peoples' comes down. My tap water is 9.0 or more out of the tap; fish store owners around here and the muncipal lab have measured it as high as 9.6; and 7.4 after air is bubbled through it, which I think is enough of a difference to bother the fish. Now, despite the limestone rock, the water doesn't come out of the river with that high ph. It is treated with various buffers to help in removal of the minerals and to protect the pipes. Their pipes, not ours. It may matter how large a water change you do. I have killed fish doing major water changes. Never knew exactly what I did wrong, but it may have been something like that. The ph of our water seems to actually vary, and sometimes you can bubble air through two and a half gallons of water for five hours and the test tube still looks like purple ink when you run the API high range ph test. To put it in the tank I don't want to see no purple, nor mauve; I want to see orange or tan. Sometimes I just don't have time to bubble air through three buckets of water for a day and a half. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have a question. Chlorine is fairly volatile and most of it will dissipate when the water is exposed to air, however, today, many localities are no longer using chlorine, but use what is known as chloramines, which is much more stable than chlorine itself. It is a mixture of chlorine and ammonia. For this, you really need to use a water conditioner. Letting water sit for a period will also help stabilize the pH of the water. Many localities will boost the pH of the water using what are, in essence, temporary buffers to help protect their pipes from corrosion. However, the change in pH when compared to the amount of water changed, and your current pH is not great, and should not bother most fish. It is possible to speed the process some if you use an airstone in the standing water, which will have the effect of circulating the water in the container, exposing more of it to the air (and the bubble stream, though this is a minimal effect). The use of water conditioner will also handle these processes, and many also have the effect of removing, or neutralizing any heavy metals that may be in the water you have. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37833	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Dora, A "simple dechlorinator" does work on Chloramines also... at least 99% of the commonly available dechlor products available today work on both chlorine and chloramine. Yes, it leaves a residual amount of ammonia (usually 0.5ppm according to EPA guidelines) but if the tank is properly cycled, when doing a 25% PWC, this would result in 0.125ppm of ammonia being added to the tank. Since a fully stocked tank is easily capable of cycling 4-5ppm of ammonia per day, this 0.125ppm of added ammonia will easily be handled by the existing filtration. About the worst that will happen is one of the fish might ask one of the other fish... "Dude.. did you just pee in the tank?" LOL If one is slowly refilling their tank, for example, using a Python, then the minute amounts of ammonia will be circulating through the filter as it's being added to the tank (dechlor is added to the tank first before starting to refill when using a Python) so the ammonia level will stay at 0.0ppm. If you are refilling a tank using 5G buckets, then that would add the 0.125ppm of ammonia all at once but it would still not be an issue unless the pH of the tank was really high.. over 8.0. If those conditions exist for a hobbyist, then using SeaChem's Prime would be the recommended dechlor product for detoxifying the residual ammonia while it's still in the 5G bucket. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Actually, unless you have a well and chlorinate your own water, it is no longer likely that letting it sit for 24 hours will dissipate the chlorine. Reason is that municipal water today is usually treated with chloramines, a stronger substance that is far more stable. And you can't use a simple dechlorinator to remove it. At the very least you have to use a product that specifically removes chloramines. Now, chloramines break down into ammonia, both spontaneously, and when treated with something to remove chloramines. Among other things, this can raise the ammonia levels in water that comes straight from the tap, to levels beween .2 and .6 ppm. Lenny believes that that won't bother a cycled tank, but I never take that chance. I use a product that also gets rid of the ammonia. Actually, I think it converts it to a nontoxic form that can still affect your ammonia test results, which is important to know. Now, these days the ammonia level in my tank is usually 0, but that could be because the stuff was eventually processed by my nitrogen processing bacteria. I use the same stuff to process water for my microscopy cultures. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] have a question. I know in the past I have let water sit for 24 hours as the chlorine will dissipate and be gone from what I have been taught. But what about any other things in the water that aren't good for the fish. Do they dissipate as well? I do use a declorinator, I Just am curious.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37834	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

If you are on well water, there is no chlorine or fluoride in your water.  There may be other minerals, again depending on the bedrock in your area.  In southern Ohio, our bedrock is limestone and our water has calcium, lime, magnesium, and sometimes sulpher.  Most water conditioners aren't going to do a thing for those.  Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens --- On Sun, 3/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 12:39 PM It is well water. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hawk <claymoregold@ yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water.  You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37835	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Question - Broke my filter pump!

I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, which should be empty. My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be too strong for what I have right now? I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck so far. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's done on purpose. The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the > floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that > attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter > on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate > area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the > Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, > which should be empty. > > My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on > low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on > Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, > until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll > have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - > I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so > the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be > too strong for what I have right now? > > I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck so far. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37837	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

This is what the Hagen website says: For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) - Power Consumption: 6 W - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long fancy goldfish. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but > it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm > planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena > filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 > gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's > done on purpose. > > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny > can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter >> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate >> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the >> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, >> which should be empty. >> >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on >> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on >> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, >> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll >> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - >> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so >> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be >> too strong for what I have right now? >> >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck so far. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37838	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

My only concern is how well the gold fish can swim in a faster current, i would think they're more suited for slower moving water, so even on "slow" it may still be a little too powerful, perhaps someone has a suggestion on how to get around that? Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > This is what the Hagen website says: > For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. > - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) > - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) > - Power Consumption: 6 W > - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) > > I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long > fancy goldfish. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > > > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but > > it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm > > planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena > > filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 > > gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's > > done on purpose. > > > > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny > > can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the > >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that > >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter > >> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate > >> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the > >> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, > >> which should be empty. > >> > >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on > >> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on > >> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, > >> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll > >> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - > >> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so > >> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be > >> too strong for what I have right now? > >> > >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck > so far. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37839	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

Oops! Should have added this: - Flow Control: Simply shift the patented "Flow Adjustment Control" at the the intake siphon. When the "Flow Adjustment Control" is at its greatest blockage, AquaClear's input and exhaust volumes are approximately a third of its maximum capacity. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > This is what the Hagen website says: > For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. > - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) > - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) > - Power Consumption: 6 W > - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) > > I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long > fancy goldfish. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > >> How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but >> it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm >> planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena >> filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 >> gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's >> done on purpose. >> >> The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny >> can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Menagerie_Manager wrote: >>> >>> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the >>> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that >>> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter >>> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate >>> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the >>> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, >>> which should be empty. >>> >>> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on >>> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on >>> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, >>> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll >>> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - >>> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so >>> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be >>> too strong for what I have right now? >>> >>> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck so >>> far. >>> >>> DebR and the Three Goldfish >>> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37840	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

D'oh! Why didn't I think before I posted? I just checked the specs on the AquaClear 30, which I was using at full strength: For 10 - 30 U.S. Gal. aquariums - Maximum Output: 567 L/h (150 U.S. Gal./h) - Full Flow Control: 189 L/h (50 U.S. Gal./h) - Power Consumption: 6 W - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 113 L (30 U.S. Gal.) If they can handle 567 L/h, then they should be able to handle the AC 70 as long as I keep it at half strength until I find a way of diverting the current. Thanks, Amber! I'm off to nab that deal before someone else does! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > My only concern is how well the gold fish can swim in a faster current, > i would think they're more suited for slower moving water, so even on > "slow" it may still be a little too powerful, perhaps someone has a > suggestion on how to get around that? > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> This is what the Hagen website says: >> For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. >> - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) >> - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) >> - Power Consumption: 6 W >> - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) >> >> I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long >> fancy goldfish. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! >> >> > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but >> > it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm >> > planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena >> > filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 >> > gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's >> > done on purpose. >> > >> > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny >> > can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> >> >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the >> >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that >> >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter >> >> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate >> >> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the >> >> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, >> >> which should be empty. >> >> >> >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on >> >> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on >> >> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, >> >> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll >> >> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - >> >> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so >> >> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be >> >> too strong for what I have right now? >> >> >> >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck >> so far. >> >> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >> Thank You. >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> > .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37841	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

No problem, hope it works out for you :) Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > D'oh! Why didn't I think before I posted? I just checked the specs on the > AquaClear 30, which I was using at full strength: > For 10 - 30 U.S. Gal. aquariums > - Maximum Output: 567 L/h (150 U.S. Gal./h) > - Full Flow Control: 189 L/h (50 U.S. Gal./h) > - Power Consumption: 6 W > - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 113 L (30 U.S. Gal.) > > If they can handle 567 L/h, then they should be able to handle the AC > 70 as long as I keep it at half strength until I find a way of > diverting the > current. > > Thanks, Amber! > I'm off to nab that deal before someone else does! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > > > My only concern is how well the gold fish can swim in a faster current, > > i would think they're more suited for slower moving water, so even on > > "slow" it may still be a little too powerful, perhaps someone has a > > suggestion on how to get around that? > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> This is what the Hagen website says: > >> For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. > >> - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) > >> - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) > >> - Power Consumption: 6 W > >> - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) > >> > >> I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long > >> fancy goldfish. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > >> > >> > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon > tank, but > >> > it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my > tanks. I'm > >> > planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a > rena > >> > filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 > >> > gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's > >> > done on purpose. > >> > > >> > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps > Lenny > >> > can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the > >> >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that > >> >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper > filter > >> >> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide > adequate > >> >> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the > >> >> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front > compartment, > >> >> which should be empty. > >> >> > >> >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill > running on > >> >> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on > >> >> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, > >> >> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then > they'll > >> >> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - > >> >> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 > gallons, so > >> >> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it > would be > >> >> too strong for what I have right now? > >> >> > >> >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck > >> so far. > >> >> > >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > >> Thank You. > >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > >> > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > >> > Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37842	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

It looks like the minimum flow rate, what they call "Full Flow Control" is 100G/hour which for a 20G tank would only be 5X filtration and that is fine and then when you connect the two tanks, I'm guessing you will be running a hose from the intake over into the other tank??? so it will be sucking water from one tank and then returning the water to the tank with the AC on it so you have constant flow through the water bridge and between the two tanks? You'll probably need about a six foot section of clear hose (you can get this at hardware or big box home stores) so you can have the actual HOB on one end of one tank and then the hose connecting to the intake, going across the back of the tank up and over into the second tank and then maybe have the filter strainer on the far end of the 2nd tank so it will be sucking water all the way across both tanks... and through the water bridge. When you get that going, then you can up the flow rate to wide open to get it up into the 200-300G/hour rate for the 40 gallons of water. You may even have to throttle it back a little from wide open when you have the 70 running for both tanks. You'll have to see how the fish do going back and forth through the bridge and in the circulation of the tanks themselves. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! This is what the Hagen website says: For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) - Power Consumption: 6 W - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long fancy goldfish. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, but > it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my tanks. I'm > planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one of them a rena > filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite powerful for a 55 > gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream loving fish, so it's > done on purpose. > > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps Lenny > can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper filter >> on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide adequate >> area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. I have the >> Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the front compartment, >> which should be empty. >> >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running on >> low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a 70 on >> Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, at most, >> until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and then they'll >> have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them (yeah, I know - >> I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than the 40 gallons, so >> the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do you think it would be >> too strong for what I have right now? >> >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck so far. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37843	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question - Broke my filter pump!

Depends on the fancy goldfish. I guess Pearlscales, Bubble Eyes, maybe an Oranda with an oversized Wen, the Ranchu with no dorsal fin or one of the many other Dr. Frankensteinish variants of fancy goldfish might have trouble with too much filtration but most "normal" fancy goldfish do fine with it... yes I have a couple of veil tail and fan tail Ryukins but I don't necessarily agree with all the other inbreeding that has been done to create some of the other outlandish features in fancy goldfish. I feel sorry for celestial eyes, bubble eyes, fish with oversized wens, missing dorsal fins, warped and distorted body shapes, etc. At some point the madness of mankind has to stop. Imagine if we did this to other animals??? A dog with six legs and two tails with a big hump back like a camel, a cat with four tails and four ears and each tail is a different colored genetically enhanced day-glo, etc... people would think that someone is nuts for even thinking about doing this most animals but yet the so-called fancy goldfish breeders in China and Japan and I guess some in the USA and other countries also... try to come up with new and outlandish birth defects to try to sell to people... ooops.. they call them "fancy features", not birth defects. In most other breeding, the breeding is done to improve the bloodline, the color, maybe even longer flowing fins, etc.. but with fancy goldfish, it's like.. OK.. lets see what kind of warped and demented birth defect we can come up with to sell people as a new fancy feature??? OK.. my rant is over... back to filtration. LOL 5X filtration is fine for even the fanciest of goldfish as long as the tanks are large enough so that the fish have a lot of room away from the actual outflow of the filter system. Further, remember that most filters will not deliver the advertised flow rates. Those are optimum rates but when you start getting partially clogged filter media, impellers with a little debris wrapped around them, etc., the filter systems rarely put out the kind of flow rate they advertise. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! My only concern is how well the gold fish can swim in a faster current, i would think they're more suited for slower moving water, so even on "slow" it may still be a little too powerful, perhaps someone has a suggestion on how to get around that? Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > This is what the Hagen website says: > For aquariums of 30 - 70 U.S. Gal. > - Maximum Output: 1135 L/h (300 U.S. Gal./h) > - Full Flow Control: 378 L/h (100 U.S. Gal./h) > - Power Consumption: 6 W > - Maximum Aquarium Capacity: 265 L (70 U.S. Gal.) > > I have no idea what kind of current that will create for a 3" long > fancy goldfish. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question - Broke my filter pump! > > > How fast does the AC 70 flow? I use a AC 110 on my 125 gallon tank, > > but it's with other filters too, I tend to overfilter all of my > > tanks. I'm planning on running 2 filters on my 55 gallon tank, one > > of them a rena filstar xp4 (450 gph), that one in itself is quite > > powerful for a 55 gallon tank, but it's going to be for my stream > > loving fish, so it's done on purpose. > > > > The higher powered filter might be too much for goldfish, perhaps > > Lenny can say if it is or not, I've never had goldfish myself ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: > >> > >> I was cleaning my AquaClear 30 filter and knocked the pump on the > >> floor, breaking the impeller and the part of the motor casing that > >> attaches it to the filter box. For now, I have the used Whisper > >> filter on the tank, but I don't like it, because it doesn't provide > >> adequate area for chemical and biological filters to be effective. > >> I have the Purigen and biofilter just kind of crammed into the > >> front compartment, which should be empty. > >> > >> My question is, would an AquaClear 70 be too much overkill running > >> on low? I did a search and the cheapest AquaClear I can find is a > >> 70 on Aquabid. The fish will be in the 20G for another two weeks, > >> at most, until I can get plywood to put on top of the buffet, and > >> then they'll have the two 20Gs with the water bridge between them > >> (yeah, I know - I'm slow). Eventually they will need much more than > >> the 40 gallons, so the AC 70 would be working full strength, but do > >> you think it would be too strong for what I have right now? > >> > >> I've also been searching just for a replacement pump, but no luck > so far. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37844	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Need a Test Kit

I haven't been able to make it to a regular pet shop and don't know when I'll be able to. (couple hours away for me) Our local Wal-Mart and Meijers only have the darn stips and one to test only the ammonia levels. Where can I get a real test kit that is as inexpensive as possible while still being reliable? Online, perhaps, but where? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37845	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit

Walmart.com You can order either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kits from Walmart.com and have it shipped to your local store with NO shipping charges and then go pick it up in a few days to a week. Many other reliable online sources also sell these kits but Walmart.com is your lowest cost option, especially with the free shipping to your local store. The last time I checked, the API kit was around $17.xx and the T-L kit was around $15.xx. The API kit does not have the GH/KH test kits which would have to be purchased separately if you need them. The T-L kit does not have the Nitrate test kit so that would have to be purchased separately. I'd probably go with the API kit so you at least have the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH kits from the start since nitrate is something important to have so you know your tank is cycling properly... but the GH/KH kits are nice to have for establishing your tap water baseline. If you have a high enough GH/KH level out of the tap, then you can reasonably expect to maintain a good GH/KH level in the tank as long as you do weekly PWC's and tank maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need a Test Kit I haven't been able to make it to a regular pet shop and don't know when I'll be able to. (couple hours away for me) Our local Wal-Mart and Meijers only have the darn stips and one to test only the ammonia levels. Where can I get a real test kit that is as inexpensive as possible while still being reliable? Online, perhaps, but where? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37846	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...

I don't know; hasn't killed me or the fish yet! I always add 3.5 to 3.7 ml of Prime to 2.5 gallons of water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: "aquaticlife" <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the Python situation. I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See clipped from same article below... "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable level is undesirable." Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the experianced fishkeepers have to say? Harl ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37847	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Prime and othe dechor products...

Pretty much answers my question - as Forest Gump says "One less thing to worry about" On 3/2/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > I don't know; hasn't killed me or the fish yet! > > I always add 3.5 to 3.7 ml of Prime to 2.5 gallons of water. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: "aquaticlife" <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com<aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:31 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Prime and othe dechor products... > > Clipped from an article that Lenny introduced in the RO thread... > > "Reducing agents. Reducing agents, like sodium metabisulfite > (Na2S2O5), are added to neutralize oxidizing agents such as chlorine > or ozone. In membrane and ion exchange systems, they prevent the > degradation of certain membranes or resins, which are sensitive to > oxidizing agents. It should be noted that sodium metabisulfite is the > active ingredient of most water conditioners used in the aquarium > hobby. Of course, one of the disadvantages is that it remains (and > usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in excess. " > > I use Prime, I include that info in case it is relevant to my > question. I use 5 gal. buckets to handle the water in an office > situation. However I can only guess that this would be worse in the > Python situation. > > I get around 4 gal, maybe 4.5 in a bucket. and I add .5ml with a > measured dropper to the bucket. So I minorly overdose, via > directions, every time as I am a gallon to .5 gallon short of the > amount that amount is for. What are these, "disadvantages is that it > remains (and usually accumulates) in the aquarium water if used in > excess." ? And how do you know how much dechlor you really need? See > clipped from same article below... > > "From the aquarist's point of view, chloramines, chlorine gas, > hypochlorite ions and chlorine dioxide are all elements with oxidizing > potential, which will cause damage to fish and should therefore be > removed from the water. It should be noted that most water companies > add an increased amount of chlorine gas during the summer months to > compensate for losses due to the higher water temperature, the faster > metabolism and multiplication of the microorganisms, and the lower > solubility of the gas in the water. Therefore, a quantity of sodium > metabisulfite known to neutralize chlorine and chloramine compounds in > a specific water volume in the winter may prove to be too small in the > summer months. In contrast, aging of the water during the summer > months will allow chlorine gas and chlorine dioxide to escape faster. > Do not rely on chlorine smell since the threshold for smelling > chlorine is 0.20-0.40 mg/l while even 0.10 mg/l (very common in tap > water, especially in summer months) will be acutely fatal in aquaria, > especially newly established ones. The maximum tolerable limit for > continuous exposure to chlorine is 0.003 mg/l while any detectable > level is undesirable." > > Meaning that my directions on the bottle might be more or less than I > need any day of the week. I can only assume that in the PRACTICAL > application of this product that the excess build up is not a serious > problem to most fish, or equals out in the summer months, by decloring > the excess that the water company may add at that time. What do the > experianced fishkeepers have to say? > > Harl > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37848	From: Gail	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

I recently put a power head in my 55 gallon. It really helps the water circulation and my fish love the current. I got one at Wal*Mart for only $20 with a lifetime warranty. I use the snorkel feature on it so it is pumping more Oxygen into my water. All of my fish love to play in the bubbles & current. Try that. It's a cheap fix for your "lack of flow" And you may catch your Cichlids playing in it :D -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37849	From: gail	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

Okay, so here is the deal. I have been diligently following Lenny's filtration cleaning & maintenance on my 55 Gallon with the Penquin, and my 20 gallon with the Top Fin 20 system. The penguin is doing great. However; my Top Fin 20 filter whenever I wring it out to clean it; the top clip wants to come off and the filter wants to come apart (off it's frame) and spill carbon everywhere. Ugh, it is frustrating. Any thoughts? Or should I just cave in and buy another filter? I will take whatever suggestions you may have   Thanks, Gail SLC, Ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37850	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

Quit using carbon. ;-) Then the filter floss bag will slip off of the frame with no problems, you can swoosh and squeeze it in some removed tank water, slip it back on the frame, pop the clip back on and voila! Or... if you do want to use carbon, then get a regular filter media bag (or mesh material for DIY) and put the carbon inside of it first and then either put that inside the filter floss bag or just put it in the filter reservoir... or better yet, on the waterfall side of the filter floss bag so the carbon doesn't get clogged up with detritus as much so it will last longer. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system Okay, so here is the deal. I have been diligently following Lenny's filtration cleaning & maintenance on my 55 Gallon with the Penquin, and my 20 gallon with the Top Fin 20 system. The penguin is doing great. However; my Top Fin 20 filter whenever I wring it out to clean it; the top clip wants to come off and the filter wants to come apart (off it's frame) and spill carbon everywhere. Ugh, it is frustrating. Any thoughts? Or should I just cave in and buy another filter? I will take whatever suggestions you may have   Thanks, Gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37851	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Rosario LaCorte

I got this information from a trusted source on another list. For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the course of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass will be performed. I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of the hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a breeder of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety of fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a speaker at many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this little write up. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37852	From: Suzi	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Need help with filtration

thanks.. I did put a airstone at the bottom of the tank. they came back to that side of the tank now too. there was no current there so they didn't go there. now they do. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need help with filtration I recently put a power head in my 55 gallon. It really helps the water circulation and my fish love the current. I got one at Wal*Mart for only $20 with a lifetime warranty. I use the snorkel feature on it so it is pumping more Oxygen into my water. All of my fish love to play in the bubbles & current. Try that. It's a cheap fix for your "lack of flow" And you may catch your Cichlids playing in it :D -gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37853	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for the course of action going forward from here, with either placements os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" thing probably happened between then and now. The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for his speedy recovery. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the course > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > will be performed. > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of the > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a breeder > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety of > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a speaker at > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > little write up. > > \\Steve// >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37854	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: have a question.

Or if you added it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] have a question. Well water does not have chlorine. Unless it is a municipal well and they are adding it. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. It is well water. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hawk <claymoregold@ <mailto:claymoregold%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] have a question. Letting the water stand will not affect fluoride which is also most likely added to your water. What else is added depends on your source water. You can get a copy of the Consumer Confidence Report from your water utility and it should tell you what is in your drinking water. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37855	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit

Petsmart, Petco, Drs Foster and Smith, Marine Depot, to name a few, all have websites. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Need a Test Kit I haven't been able to make it to a regular pet shop and don't know when I'll be able to. (couple hours away for me) Our local Wal-Mart and Meijers only have the darn stips and one to test only the ammonia levels. Where can I get a real test kit that is as inexpensive as possible while still being reliable? Online, perhaps, but where? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37856	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need a Test Kit

Oh, and API gives the most bang for the buck. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Need a Test Kit I haven't been able to make it to a regular pet shop and don't know when I'll be able to. (couple hours away for me) Our local Wal-Mart and Meijers only have the darn stips and one to test only the ammonia levels. Where can I get a real test kit that is as inexpensive as possible while still being reliable? Online, perhaps, but where? Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37857	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Rain water

In the bigger scheme of things, is rain water better for my fish and what would I need to do to it to make it acceptable. Thanks peeps Garry ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos is now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water

Rain water would not contain the necessary nutrients and minerals. It's basically distilled water, although it might collect some stuff coming down through the atmosphere.. probably not good things though.. maybe a little pollution, dust, allergens, etc.. Remember, in nature, rain water first flows across and through Mother Earth, which helps to filter out some of the bad stuff that might come down with the rain and the rain is also collecting various nutrients and minerals from the earth before it finally settles into a lake or river (whether terrestrial or subterranean), where it is also in constant contact with the earth which then leaches more nutrients/minerals and some may even settle out of the water. There are products such as Kent's R/O Right that will add back in many of the necessary nutrients/minerals that are removed when folks run their water through a reverse osmosis filter system. If someone had really hard water and wanted to dilute it (to soften the water and/or lower the pH), then collecting rain water might be a viable option to buying and running an RO system. If I was going to collect rain water for diluted use in my aquariums, I would probably run a filter system, with just carbon or other chemical filter media, on the rain water tank to help remove some of the pollution particulate that might come down with the rain water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rain water In the bigger scheme of things, is rain water better for my fish and what would I need to do to it to make it acceptable. Thanks peeps Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37859	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water

I have a large number of plastic drums I collect it in directly from the roof of the house, I just wondered if it was better than tap water for the fish, thanks for the replies Lenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rain water Rain water would not contain the necessary nutrients and minerals. It's basically distilled water, although it might collect some stuff coming down through the atmosphere.. probably not good things though.. maybe a little pollution, dust, allergens, etc.. Remember, in nature, rain water first flows across and through Mother Earth, which helps to filter out some of the bad stuff that might come down with the rain and the rain is also collecting various nutrients and minerals from the earth before it finally settles into a lake or river (whether terrestrial or subterranean), where it is also in constant contact with the earth which then leaches more nutrients/minerals and some may even settle out of the water. There are products such as Kent's R/O Right that will add back in many of the necessary nutrients/minerals that are removed when folks run their water through a reverse osmosis filter system. If someone had really hard water and wanted to dilute it (to soften the water and/or lower the pH), then collecting rain water might be a viable option to buying and running an RO system. If I was going to collect rain water for diluted use in my aquariums, I would probably run a filter system, with just carbon or other chemical filter media, on the rain water tank to help remove some of the pollution particulate that might come down with the rain water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rain water In the bigger scheme of things, is rain water better for my fish and what would I need to do to it to make it acceptable. Thanks peeps Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: new dishwasher, yay

I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks last night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I was weird asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before he ran his first load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood (without soap of course)? I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I should run it one more time just to be safe ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37861	From: Gail	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

Thanks for the advice, Lenny. So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? Thanks, Gail Slc, ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37862	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay

I guess it depends on the thickness of the driftwood and the source of the driftwood... and whether it's sinking easily or not. No harm in testing the dishwasher on a couple of cycles just to make sure it's working OK before you risk your dishes. ;-) On a side note... why do people use the Jet-Dry stuff? I have reasonably hard water down here and have never used any kind of a rinse agent in my dishwasher and I don't have spots or anything. Of course, I use a hot water start so the dishwasher is drawing water directly from the hot water heater and the water in the hot water heater has pretty much been distilled so there's not much minerals in it. I guess if one is using a cold water source for their dishwasher, then that water would have a higher mineral level and might result in spotting during the drying cycle. I always figured the Jet-Dry stuff was kind of like carbon or zeolite in our filters... it's just a way for a company to try and separate us from our money. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks last night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I was weird asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before he ran his first load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood (without soap of course)? I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I should run it one more time just to be safe ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37863	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay

Not sure if it makes any difference but I have very soft water, and some mineral's in our natural water supply. My parents always used it, I noticed the cups weren't as pretty on our first wash (glass cups) perhaps it does make a bit of a difference after all? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I guess it depends on the thickness of the driftwood and the source of the > driftwood... and whether it's sinking easily or not. No harm in > testing the > dishwasher on a couple of cycles just to make sure it's working OK before > you risk your dishes. ;-) > > On a side note... why do people use the Jet-Dry stuff? I have reasonably > hard water down here and have never used any kind of a rinse agent in my > dishwasher and I don't have spots or anything. Of course, I use a hot > water > start so the dishwasher is drawing water directly from the hot water > heater > and the water in the hot water heater has pretty much been distilled so > there's not much minerals in it. I guess if one is using a cold water > source for their dishwasher, then that water would have a higher mineral > level and might result in spotting during the drying cycle. > > I always figured the Jet-Dry stuff was kind of like carbon or zeolite > in our > filters... it's just a way for a company to try and separate us from our > money. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay > > I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks last > night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I was weird > asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before he ran his > first > load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood (without soap of > course)? > I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I should > run it one more time just to be safe ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37864	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

it's mostly to remove chemicals like anti-biotics and such used for treating fish, it does clear up other impurities, but it's not necessary unless you treat your fish for illnesses often. Amber Gail wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Lenny. > So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? > > Thanks, > Gail > Slc, ut > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37865	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

It's a really good product for moving money out of your wallet into the hands of the companies that sell the filter systems and then tell you to change the filter cartridge or carbon every few weeks... so they can take some more of your money. ;-) But.. it's also good to run carbon or other more advanced chemical filtration after medicating a tank to remove any of the medicine not removed by PWC's. It's also OK to run and probably should be run on a permanent basis in overstocked tanks... although a more advanced media like Purigen would be better in that situation. Carbon or Purigen or other advanced chemical filtration helps with removing DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) the DOC's that naturally occur in our tanks but also stuff such as air fresheners that one might use in their home, cigarette smoke/nicotine, etc... if someone uses enough of these products where they might be an issue. It's OK to keep on hand in the case of needing it to remove medications or if there was a contamination of some sort. But.. for most of us, that do not have overstocked tanks or lots of air fresheners or cigarette smoke polluting our homes, carbon is not needed to be running full time in a filter system. In the old days, beginner aquarists were told to run carbon all the time to help keep the water clean... but they were also told to only use OLD water (run the tank for 7 to 30 days before adding fish... which is still told to people today.. lol), they knew little or nothing about the nitrogen cycle, they rarely did PWC's unless they learned it from an experienced aquarist, but rather did total tank breakdowns on a regular basis (usually monthly) in order to clean everything... basically killing off all of the good bacteria that they didn't even know they had in their tanks. It's amazing that fish even lived back then but most aquarists also had live plants that were much better for the fish than the plastic and silk plants that are more of the norm today for beginners. The live plants would actually keep the tank cycled where nowadays, more aquarists rely on filter systems to keep a tank cycled. Remember, the common everyday and low-cost use of plastics in America didn't really start until after WWII so plastic plants probably didn't come around for some time after that. Maybe one of the old geezers in the group can expand on when plastic plants started replacing real plants since I wasn't around back then. \\Steve//, Harry, Ray.. are y'all out there? ;-) For those of us doing weekly or more frequent PWC's and tank maintenance, the DOC level does not become an issue like it did in the old days where these things were often times not done. I'm sure I left a lot out of this answer but I think this gives you an idea. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system Thanks for the advice, Lenny. So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? Thanks, Gail Slc, ut ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37866	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

(looking rather stupid here) Erm are you saying I have been buying these black pads for no reason!!!!, they cost me a arm and a leg. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system it's mostly to remove chemicals like anti-biotics and such used for treating fish, it does clear up other impurities, but it's not necessary unless you treat your fish for illnesses often. Amber Gail wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Lenny. > So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? > > Thanks, > Gail > Slc, ut > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37867	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay

Do you have your dishwasher tapped into a hot water line or cold water line? They can be plumbed either way. Quite often, plumbers will tap into a cold water line.. I guess so that if someone wants to run their dishwasher on a cold water cycle... I have no clue why someone would want to do this... but I've seen them plumbed that way. When plumbed to a cold water line, then the water will not be subject to the distilling that takes place in a hot water heater. The heater element in the bottom of the dishwasher has to come on longer to heat up the water (if running the DW on a hot water cycle) whereas, if the DW is plumbed to a hot water line, then the DW starts running quicker since the heater element doesn't have to run or run as long. This also means that the minerals in the cold water will be more likely to cause spotting on the dishes. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay Not sure if it makes any difference but I have very soft water, and some mineral's in our natural water supply. My parents always used it, I noticed the cups weren't as pretty on our first wash (glass cups) perhaps it does make a bit of a difference after all? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I guess it depends on the thickness of the driftwood and the source of > the driftwood... and whether it's sinking easily or not. No harm in > testing the dishwasher on a couple of cycles just to make sure it's > working OK before you risk your dishes. ;-) > > On a side note... why do people use the Jet-Dry stuff? I have > reasonably hard water down here and have never used any kind of a > rinse agent in my dishwasher and I don't have spots or anything. Of > course, I use a hot water start so the dishwasher is drawing water > directly from the hot water heater and the water in the hot water > heater has pretty much been distilled so there's not much minerals in > it. I guess if one is using a cold water source for their dishwasher, > then that water would have a higher mineral level and might result in > spotting during the drying cycle. > > I always figured the Jet-Dry stuff was kind of like carbon or zeolite > in our filters... it's just a way for a company to try and separate us > from our money. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay > > I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks > last night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I > was weird asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before > he ran his first load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood > (without soap of course)? > I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I > should run it one more time just to be safe ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37868	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

Yeah.. the carbon impregnated black pads are the most cost effective means of the filter companies separating your money from your wallet. ;-) Luckily you have two arms and legs since the filter companies already have one of each of yours.... but don't worry.. it's a mere flesh wound. (Re: Monty Python's ... Holy Grail) LOL Save the last of your unused black pads for when you might need them... as mentioned in Amber and my posts. You can continue to use the current black pad that's in your filter system since it likely has a lot of your good bacteria growing on it and it will also help with mechanical filtration. Clean it like other filter media.. by swooshing and squeezing and wringing in some remove tank water to remove the detritus without killing all or most of the good bacteria. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system (looking rather stupid here) Erm are you saying I have been buying these black pads for no reason!!!!, they cost me a arm and a leg. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system it's mostly to remove chemicals like anti-biotics and such used for treating fish, it does clear up other impurities, but it's not necessary unless you treat your fish for illnesses often. Amber Gail wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Lenny. > So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? > > Thanks, > Gail > Slc, ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37869	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rain water

Depends among other things on where you live. Rain water is often polluted. Among other things it causes that acid rain problem that plagues many lakes and forests. It will wash whatever else is in the air out of it, absorbing it as it does so. Nothing wrong with plain ol' treated tap water. Unless you're like my housemate who keeps bettas in 16 ounce cups, half full. They get only the best spring water. But then, anyone can afford to fill 16 ounce cups with the very best spring water, particularly if you only do a 20% water change once a week! (One of them is the same betta I betta-sat for a month ago - and it still lives!) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Rain water In the bigger scheme of things, is rain water better for my fish and what would I need to do to it to make it acceptable. Thanks peeps Garry ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos is now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37870	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay

Hey, that's an idea, but a bit of chorox in a bucket works just as well. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks last night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I was weird asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before he ran his first load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood (without soap of course)? I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I should run it one more time just to be safe ;) Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37871	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

( Garry runs around the room shouting) Class action!!!!!! :( ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system Yeah.. the carbon impregnated black pads are the most cost effective means of the filter companies separating your money from your wallet. ;-) Luckily you have two arms and legs since the filter companies already have one of each of yours.... but don't worry.. it's a mere flesh wound. (Re: Monty Python's ... Holy Grail) LOL Save the last of your unused black pads for when you might need them... as mentioned in Amber and my posts. You can continue to use the current black pad that's in your filter system since it likely has a lot of your good bacteria growing on it and it will also help with mechanical filtration. Clean it like other filter media.. by swooshing and squeezing and wringing in some remove tank water to remove the detritus without killing all or most of the good bacteria. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system (looking rather stupid here) Erm are you saying I have been buying these black pads for no reason!!!!, they cost me a arm and a leg. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system it's mostly to remove chemicals like anti-biotics and such used for treating fish, it does clear up other impurities, but it's not necessary unless you treat your fish for illnesses often. Amber Gail wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Lenny. > So, what IS the purpose of the carbon in our filter cartridges anyways? > > Thanks, > Gail > Slc, ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37872	From: Gail	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: advice on my Top Fin 20 filter system

Thank goodness we have Lenny. I doubt you would hear about this on the Consumer Affairs Website. lol so, in short... carbon is not always needed. Yaaay!!! Thanks Lenny! -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37873	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: new dishwasher, yay

we plumbed it into the hot water line. I guess I will just keep watching my dishes and see how "spotty" they really are without the jet dry ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Do you have your dishwasher tapped into a hot water line or cold water > line? > They can be plumbed either way. Quite often, plumbers will tap into a cold > water line.. I guess so that if someone wants to run their dishwasher on a > cold water cycle... I have no clue why someone would want to do > this... but > I've seen them plumbed that way. When plumbed to a cold water line, then > the water will not be subject to the distilling that takes place in a hot > water heater. The heater element in the bottom of the dishwasher has to > come on longer to heat up the water (if running the DW on a hot water > cycle) > whereas, if the DW is plumbed to a hot water line, then the DW starts > running quicker since the heater element doesn't have to run or run as > long. > This also means that the minerals in the cold water will be more likely to > cause spotting on the dishes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay > > Not sure if it makes any difference but I have very soft water, and some > mineral's in our natural water supply. > My parents always used it, I noticed the cups weren't as pretty on our > first > wash (glass cups) perhaps it does make a bit of a difference after all? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I guess it depends on the thickness of the driftwood and the source of > > the driftwood... and whether it's sinking easily or not. No harm in > > testing the dishwasher on a couple of cycles just to make sure it's > > working OK before you risk your dishes. ;-) > > > > On a side note... why do people use the Jet-Dry stuff? I have > > reasonably hard water down here and have never used any kind of a > > rinse agent in my dishwasher and I don't have spots or anything. Of > > course, I use a hot water start so the dishwasher is drawing water > > directly from the hot water heater and the water in the hot water > > heater has pretty much been distilled so there's not much minerals in > > it. I guess if one is using a cold water source for their dishwasher, > > then that water would have a higher mineral level and might result in > > spotting during the drying cycle. > > > > I always figured the Jet-Dry stuff was kind of like carbon or zeolite > > in our filters... it's just a way for a company to try and separate us > > from our money. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:12 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] new dishwasher, yay > > > > I got to use the new dishwasher to sterilize my drift wood and rocks > > last night (we just got it installed yesterday). My husband thought I > > was weird asking him to make sure he DIDN'T put any jet dry in before > > he ran his first load ;) How many times should I "wash" the driftwood > > (without soap of course)? > > I've ran it once, without the drying feature, but wasn't sure if I > > should run it one more time just to be safe ;) > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37874	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for the course of action going forward from here, with either placements os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" thing probably happened between then and now. The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for his speedy recovery. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the course > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > will be performed. > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of the > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a breeder > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety of > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a speaker at > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > little write up. > > \\Steve// > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37875	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for the course of action going forward from here, with either placements os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" thing probably happened between then and now. The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for his speedy recovery. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the course > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > will be performed. > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of the > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a breeder > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety of > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a speaker at > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > little write up. > > \\Steve// > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37876	From: pam andress	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

He is supposed to have surgery tomorrow. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: djransome@... Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:38:05 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for the course of action going forward from here, with either placements os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" thing probably happened between then and now. The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for his speedy recovery. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the course > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > will be performed. > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of the > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a breeder > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety of > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a speaker at > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > little write up. > > \\Steve// > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37877	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

Apparently he is scheduled for a triple bypass tomorrow morning. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are > an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like > me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present > condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is > referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was > having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn > and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some > of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more > serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of > these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart > attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The > rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for > the course of action going forward from here, with either placements > os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I > saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting > and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although > that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" > thing probably happened between then and now. > > The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of > tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to > maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 > years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He > has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. > Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations > in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come > to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and > is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number > of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in > aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us > combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may > ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to > the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a > great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like > Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for > his speedy recovery. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the > course > > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > > will be performed. > > > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of > the > > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a > breeder > > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety > of > > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a > speaker at > > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > > little write up. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37878	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

Donna, Rosario is scheduled for triple by-pass surgery tomorrow (Wednesday) morning, as per Lee Finley's conversation with Za at about 3:45PM this afternoon -- just at the time I was trying unsuccessfully to reach him. Assuming Za is getting an abundance of calls, I refrained from trying again so as to allow him to get at least some rest. I did get my card sent out to him though, but will not try phoning tomorrow, instead trying to reach Jeannie (his wife) although undoubtedly she'll probably be at the hospital as well. I'll try to keep you posted as best I can. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are > an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like > me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present > condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is > referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was > having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn > and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some > of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more > serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of > these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart > attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The > rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for > the course of action going forward from here, with either placements > os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I > saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting > and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although > that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" > thing probably happened between then and now. > > The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of > tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to > maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 > years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He > has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. > Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations > in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come > to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and > is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number > of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in > aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us > combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may > ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to > the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a > great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like > Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for > his speedy recovery. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the > course > > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > > will be performed. > > > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of > the > > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a > breeder > > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety > of > > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a > speaker at > > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > > little write up. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37879	From: N Taweel	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Hi, My male Angelfish with a pop-eye condition, who eventually became squint-eyed, and didn't benefit from the Minocycline treatment, wants to go home, to the 20G community tank. I really want to take him back, to use his 6G tank for the guppy fries, who are patiently waiting in a tiny 1.5 G tank (with a filter and heater), and needing frequent 50% PWC to insure a healthy water around them. Now the problem is, that the Angelfish takes too long to catch his food, because he's squint-eyed! He needs to give each bite 4 or 5 trials to eventually catch it, and it's a jungle in the 20G, the guys there won't give him the chance of slowly studying his steps towards food. What do you suggest? will be a wise idea to feed once aday a large quantity of food to insure that the Angelfish has enough time to grab a bite? The 20 G has: Guppies, Clown loaches, Tetra Serpaes, and Zebra Danios. Have a nice day! Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37880	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Why not use a divider that you slide in to trap the angel in a small part of the twenty. Feed and release. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:09 AM, N Taweel <n-taweel@...> wrote: > Hi, > My male Angelfish with a pop-eye condition, who eventually became > squint-eyed, and didn't benefit from the Minocycline treatment, wants to go > home, to the 20G community tank. > I really want to take him back, to use his 6G tank for the guppy fries, who > are patiently waiting in a tiny 1.5 G tank (with a filter and heater), and > needing frequent 50% PWC to insure a healthy water around them. > > Now the problem is, that the Angelfish takes too long to catch his food, > because he's squint-eyed! He needs to give each bite 4 or 5 trials to > eventually catch it, and it's a jungle in the 20G, the guys there won't give > him the chance of slowly studying his steps towards food. > > What do you suggest? will be a wise idea to feed once aday a large quantity > of food to insure that the Angelfish has enough time to grab a bite? > > The 20 G has: Guppies, Clown loaches, Tetra Serpaes, and Zebra Danios. > > Have a nice day! > Noura > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37881	From: marverlucy	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Just joined

Hi everyone I am a newbie to this whole fish thing. My son dropped off his 33 gallon tank while I was gone because he is leaving the area to work elsewhere for a couple of months(contract work) Unfortunatesly the plecko that was in the tank died the day after we got home and all I have left are some goldfish in a smaller tank. The water was disgusting so I ended up emptying most of the water and refilling with our tap water. We are on a well in the country and I am wondering if I should use some other tap water( maybe from in town) and then do that chemical thing to get rid of chlorine. Our own water has Iron(rust) and is fairly hard as we are ontop of a huge limestone area. The tank has two filters on it and a bubbler?. I cleaned the sponge type filter out of all the guck that was in it in some of the water I took out. Where do I go from here because the water has a slight smell to it even though there is no fish or live plants in it. What are some easy tropical type fish to start with. Should I be testing the water and what am I testing for. The heater has the water around 74F. Help in simple terms would be appreciated Thanks from the frozen North Marlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37882	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

I'm relatively new to the hobby, too, having taken in three goldfish in November. I'll leave it to the more experienced people to advise you on the water issues, but I will say that I learned quickly that my goldfish will need 30 gallons of water EACH by the time they are grown. I'm also seeing that they grow FAST when they have healthy water. I wouldn't recommend getting any new fish until you have a much larger tank. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "marverlucy" <marverlucy@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Just joined Hi everyone I am a newbie to this whole fish thing. My son dropped off his 33 gallon tank while I was gone because he is leaving the area to work elsewhere for a couple of months(contract work) Unfortunatesly the plecko that was in the tank died the day after we got home and all I have left are some goldfish in a smaller tank. The water was disgusting so I ended up emptying most of the water and refilling with our tap water. We are on a well in the country and I am wondering if I should use some other tap water( maybe from in town) and then do that chemical thing to get rid of chlorine. Our own water has Iron(rust) and is fairly hard as we are ontop of a huge limestone area. The tank has two filters on it and a bubbler?. I cleaned the sponge type filter out of all the guck that was in it in some of the water I took out. Where do I go from here because the water has a slight smell to it even though there is no fish or live plants in it. What are some easy tropical type fish to start with. Should I be testing the water and what am I testing for. The heater has the water around 74F. Help in simple terms would be appreciated Thanks from the frozen North Marlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37883	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte

Donna et al, As I mentioned, I would keep you posted; I just heard from a fellow MAKA member who's keeping in close contact with Rosario's wife Jeannie. He states that he spoke with Jeannie earlier this afternoon and the doctors advised her that all went well during Rosario's triple by-pass this morning. He's still out from the anesthesia and is in intensive care where he'll remain through tomorrow (Thursday). He is not to receive any calls during that time. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are > an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like > me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present > condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is > referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was > having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn > and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some > of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more > serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of > these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart > attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The > rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for > the course of action going forward from here, with either placements > os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I > saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting > and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although > that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" > thing probably happened between then and now. > > The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of > tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to > maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 > years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He > has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. > Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations > in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come > to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and > is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number > of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in > aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us > combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may > ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to > the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a > great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like > Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for > his speedy recovery. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the > course > > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > > will be performed. > > > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of > the > > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a > breeder > > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety > of > > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a > speaker at > > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > > little write up. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Hi Noura, For others reading this, Noura is in the middle-east and does not have access to a lot of the aquarium niceties (bigger tanks, tank dividers, more tanks, etc.) that many of us might have. You have a big of a quandary here. Your best bet would be to try and train this one fish to feed separately but in a 20G tank with a lot of fish, that's going to be hard to do. In a big tank, you could feed the fish at one end and then teach a single fish to feed at the other end using pavlovian methods but I don't think this will work in your situation. Your other option for helping it to catch its food, that might be easier, is if you turn off your filter(s) first so there is not much water movement during feeding, it will also make it easier for this one-eyed fish to catch it's food. Fish, like humans and other animals rely on two eyes in order to triangulate in on things to determine the distance of the item away from them. I have poor eyesight in one of my eyes and always had to work much harder when playing sports since I didn't have as good of depth perception as to how fast the ball was coming, etc. Eventually, the fish will learn better depth perception with just the one good eye but it will sure be easier to start learning without the food moving around so much.. which is why it would be good to turn off the filter first. Leaving the filter off for 5-10 minutes while the fish eat will not cause harm to the N-bacteria in the filter and it also means that the filter will not suck up any food so it will help keep the filter a little cleaner between weekly+ maintenance. As I've said in the past, I know it's not easy for you but you need to keep working on finding bigger tanks for your fish. As they grow, being overstocked will only cause more and more fish stress and health issues. A 20G with even a single adult sized angelfish would be considered overstocked and/or would require frequent maintenance. With multiple angelfish, a clown loach and other fish, it Have you ever thought about building your own larger tank out of wood with just a glass front made with a couple of glass panes out of the panes from another tank or even one or more broken tanks? If you are handy or have access to a handy DIY type person, I could direct you to websites with plans for DIY plywood tanks. If you can't access the websites, I could save copies of the website pages and email them to you and you could then open them with your internet explorer browser where you would have the webpage on your computer but it wouldn't actually be connected to the website over the internet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Hi, My male Angelfish with a pop-eye condition, who eventually became squint-eyed, and didn't benefit from the Minocycline treatment, wants to go home, to the 20G community tank. I really want to take him back, to use his 6G tank for the guppy fries, who are patiently waiting in a tiny 1.5 G tank (with a filter and heater), and needing frequent 50% PWC to insure a healthy water around them. Now the problem is, that the Angelfish takes too long to catch his food, because he's squint-eyed! He needs to give each bite 4 or 5 trials to eventually catch it, and it's a jungle in the 20G, the guys there won't give him the chance of slowly studying his steps towards food. What do you suggest? will be a wise idea to feed once aday a large quantity of food to insure that the Angelfish has enough time to grab a bite? The 20 G has: Guppies, Clown loaches, Tetra Serpaes, and Zebra Danios. Have a nice day! Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37885	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Hi Marlene, I'm not sure why.. probably a Yahoo Groups glitch.. but I just got your emailed post from yesterday. I see DebR has replied also and she is right. Do NOT get any other fish. Goldfish in a 33G tank will be a LOT of work to keep the tank in good condition. You do not want to add any more fish to the bioload. Tell us how many goldfish you have. You mention smaller tanks... what size are they and how many? Since you say you're still a newbie, my first suggestion would be to visit my blog article "A to Z of Fish Keeping..." http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/to-z-of-fish-keeping-how-to-training.h tml and near the top of the list, are two websites that have free fishkeeping tutorials that will walk you through all of the basics. Take one or both of them. That will get you on the right path. If the link breaks, just go to my blog link in my sig and you'll see the link to the A to Z article on the right side in the Labels section. While at my blog, also read the article on "Filter Maintenance and Cleaning" as this is a very common mistake that newbies make. I'm going to point out a couple of mistakes that you've made so far.. not to chastise you but so you don't do them again. NEVER do a large water change on fish unless there has been some kind of emergency contamination like a cleaning product, etc. Fish slowly acclimate to their water conditions.. even bad water that gets bad over time.. so they need to be slowly acclimated back to good water. Fish are cold blooded animals and have an osmoregulatory system that maintains a fluid balance in their bodies and if the water chemistry, pH, etc., changes too much, too fast, it can result in pH shock, osmoregulatory shock, temperature shock, etc., which can make them very sick or even kill them. Hopefully your guys/gals are still doing OK. One of the first things you'll want to get is a master test kit for testing your water.. both the tank and tap so we can see what your numbers are like. As far as the Iron/Rust in your well water, is that from your own pipes or from the aquifer that you get your water from? Has your county agent, cooperative extension service (usually does it for free) or independent lab (costs money) ever tested your water? If you fill a 5G bucket with your well water, is the water actually brownish colored or does it just leave the rust colored rings around the toilet, etc? I'll be honest and say I haven't read a lot about iron from well water so I just did a little Googling and reading and found this article from the University of Georgia which has the below snip about Iron. http://www.engr.uga.edu/service/extension/publications/c819-9c.html (START SNIP) Iron - The level of iron in the water analysis report should be less than 0.3 parts per million (milligrams per liter) for a domestic well. Iron from a well usually is dissolved ferrous bicarbonate, which is colorless. However, exposure to air or heating changes this compound to ferric hydroxide, which gives water a red or rusty appearance, stains fixtures and develops a metallic taste in water. Iron also can be accompanied by iron bacteria. These bacteria multiply in the water and consume iron while producing a rust-colored slime that coats the interior surfaces of the plumbing. Total disinfection with regularly repeated treatment might be necessary to control the bacteria. (END SNIP) Does this water cause you all any problems when you drink it? Goldfish actually prefer harder water with a higher pH so the limestone hardened water will not be an issue but the iron might be. Of course, most dechlor products that treat for chlorine/chloramine in public utility water will also treat heavy metals in the water so there's a good chance the same product could be used in your tank for your well water or the city water. I use either API's Tap Water Conditioner or TopFin's Tap Water Dechlorinator (be careful of similar sounding names on these brands). How hard is it for you to get city water? As DebR noted, goldfish should have around 25-30G per fish for fancy goldfish or 50-75G per fish for long bodied goldfish. Since your tank is only 33G, this means you will have to do frequent tank maintenance (PWC's - partial water changes, filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming, etc.) in order to keep up the water quality or it will get funky again like you found it. With having to do frequent PWC's, it might be easier for you to just use your own tap water and still treat it with a dechlor product which will treat the heavy metals in the water. While most of the time, I do not recommend running chemical filtration (like carbon or more advanced products like Purigen) in a filter system for fish, in your case, you may want to. I'm not sure how much the chemical filtration will help with heavy metals but it should at least take some of the brown coloration and any other DOC's (dissolved organic compounds) out of the water. So much more to say but I'll wait for your reply. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marverlucy Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Just joined Hi everyone I am a newbie to this whole fish thing. My son dropped off his 33 gallon tank while I was gone because he is leaving the area to work elsewhere for a couple of months(contract work) Unfortunatesly the plecko that was in the tank died the day after we got home and all I have left are some goldfish in a smaller tank. The water was disgusting so I ended up emptying most of the water and refilling with our tap water. We are on a well in the country and I am wondering if I should use some other tap water( maybe from in town) and then do that chemical thing to get rid of chlorine. Our own water has Iron(rust) and is fairly hard as we are ontop of a huge limestone area. The tank has two filters on it and a bubbler?. I cleaned the sponge type filter out of all the guck that was in it in some of the water I took out. Where do I go from here because the water has a slight smell to it even though there is no fish or live plants in it. What are some easy tropical type fish to start with. Should I be testing the water and what am I testing for. The heater has the water around 74F. Help in simple terms would be appreciated Thanks from the frozen North Marlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37886	From: marverlucy	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Just joined

Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts and toque. what a treat after this winter Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post Sunshine and butterflies to all Marlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37887	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Angelfish prefer a taller tank, not sure how tall your 33 gallon is. I would think they might require a slightly bigger tank, but I'm not an expert on that ;) If you want smaller tropical fish you can have a few schools of 1-2 inch long fish (adult size), school size of 5 or 6 male to female ratio will depend on what kind you choose and what your pH sits at. Do you happen to already know your water parameters? Amber marverlucy wrote: > > Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is > empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little > feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some > one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank > dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. > They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) > when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy > took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was > extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the > point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc > from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that > came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat > wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days > and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. > > So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of > tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple > of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. > > I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to > come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the > tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts > and toque. what a treat after this winter > > Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post > > Sunshine and butterflies to all > Marlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37888	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

OH God... your son really had that tank overstocked. Oscars need 75G each as a minimum and a common pleco (which is likely what your son had) grows to 18"+ and needs 75-100G. That's why the tank was getting so funky. He would have to do daily maintenance on a 33G tank with that kind of bioload and even that would only work for a while. Since the goldfish have been living indoors (at room temp?) for a while, you shouldn't rehome them to the pond until after the water in the pond has warmed up close to your indoor temperature. I would still probably set up the 33G tank (after disinfecting it... see below) as your goldfish tank for the time being and you could just transfer the gravel, etc., and the filter systems from the smaller tanks to the 33G tank so that it will be instantly "cloned" and cycled (the nitrogen cycle.. when you read about that on my A to Z article). This would be a lot easier on you until it's time to move the goldfish outside. It would also have the 33G tank cycled so when you are ready to move the goldfish outside, you could simultaneously get some new fish for the 33G tank. If you do not have a heater, there are quite a few other cold/cool water fish that do well at room temperature (low 60's to low 70's) that are often sold as tropical fish because they can also do OK at tropical temps (high 70's to low 80's).. fish such as Zebra and/or Pearl Danio's, White Cloud Mountain Minnows, Guppies, Buenos Aires Tetras (and some other tetras) and others listed on this page... http://freshaquarium.about.com/od/fishqa/f/coldwaterfish.htm If these fish start to breed and become too much for your 33G tank, you could always rehome some of them to your pond also.. depending on how big the pond is. Remember that goldfish in a pond should have 75G to 100G per goldfish as a minimum... depending on the overall ecology of the pond, filtration, etc. A single angelfish as a primary display fish will work in a 33G tank... BUT you mention you want smallish fish and angelfish are not smallish. They grow to 6" long and 9" tall plus fins so they get much larger than the dime or quarter sized ones you see at the pet stores. But if you did want one angelfish, you could also have a couple of schools of other smaller fish... but not fish that angelfish find edible unless you don't mind the angelfish snacking on your other fish from time to time. Here's a good profile on angelfish which also gives you some compatible tank mates... which includes livebearers so the angelfish may help keep the guppies in control if you decide on that as a tank mate. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm (scroll down to the second profile on this page which is more applicable to what kind of angelfish are commonly available). We recently had some discussion in this group about the angelfish that are available today being a hybrid rather than the pure P. sclare species. Do a search in the groups messages for Angelfish and you'll see that thread. Since the 33G tank smelled like a swamp and had a sick fish in it, I would probably break it down completely and disinfect it before setting it up for any other fish as we do not know what kind of disease(s) the pleco had or if it was just really bad water.. which also usually harbors more pathogens than a well maintained tank. You should siphon drain it and then you should rinse it out completely (outside) with a hose. Take the gravel and put it into a large boiling pot of water to sterilize it again. Use a 10% bleach solution to clean the tank. If you have hard water buildup on the glass, after rinsing the bleach, use some vinegar to clean the hard water buildup. Rinse it well and let it dry. You will also want to clean the filter media good and then boil it for 10-15 minutes also so it's disinfected. After that is done, we can plan on the cloning of your current goldfish small tanks into the 33G tank so you don't run into major cycling issues (the nitrogen cycle). Once you have the 33G set up for the goldfish and cycled properly, you can start adding a little of the pond water to the goldfish tank to start getting them acclimated to the pond water and to see if any health issues pop up from any pathogens in the pond that the goldfish haven't built up a resistance too yet. After about a month of acclimating them to the pond water and making sure they remain healthy, you can then make sure the pond temperature is similar during the day and doesn't get too much colder at night so the goldfish will be able to handle the water temperature changes. Tell me more about your pond also.. size, depth, in-ground or above-ground, filtration, etc. BTW... tell the grandson that you're not ready to get any new fish yet. It's too soon. Presuming your indoor temperature is in the low 70'sF/23C, 12C is still way too soon to move the goldfish outside and they'll do much better in the 33G tank in the interim and then the 33G tank will be fully cycled when you are ready to move the goldfish so you can move them outside and add the new fish to the 33G tank on the same day inside. Since you are using Celsius... let us know where you are from also. So much more to say but I'll wait for your reply. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marverlucy Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Just joined Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts and toque. what a treat after this winter Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post Sunshine and butterflies to all Marlene ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37889	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Just get you some good filter pads, if you are going to keep any fish in hard water you should start out with some chiclids, keep the water temp. up around 75 degrees f. Test the water mainly for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates, make sure the ph stays up between 7.2-8.0 s.u.. The simplest way I have seen to keep a well balanced water is use this stuff called Algone...this stuff is fantastic its an ion exchange resin that will keep the ph in check...as far as the smell in the water, I would start a new batch of your well water, change the filter pads in the filters, buy some Purigen or Algone(Algone is easier if you have a big tank otherwise use the small version of the Purigen as it comes in its on bag, afterwards go get you some fish, start off with 3 Chiclids of your choice make sure there are some hiding spots in the tank as these fish tend to be aggressive in small groups, make sure to change out 20% of the water after 1 week, keep the water changed weekly afterwards at 10%....I have found that in doing the weekly small water changes takes the guess work out of the cycling process, just make sure you do the initial water change of 20%-30% after one week. after one month you should have a tank that is ready for 3 more Chiclids smaller sized as your tank is on the smaller side I wouldn't do more that 10 Fish total in a tank like this due to the fact that you would have to increase the frequency of water changes. This has worked for me on every occasion regardless of fish type or water parameters. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, marverlucy <marverlucy@...> wrote: From: marverlucy <marverlucy@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Just joined To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:49 AM Hi everyone I am a newbie to this whole fish thing. My son dropped off his 33 gallon tank while I was gone because he is leaving the area to work elsewhere for a couple of months(contract work) Unfortunatesly the plecko that was in the tank died the day after we got home and all I have left are some goldfish in a smaller tank. The water was disgusting so I ended up emptying most of the water and refilling with our tap water. We are on a well in the country and I am wondering if I should use some other tap water( maybe from in town) and then do that chemical thing to get rid of chlorine. Our own water has Iron(rust) and is fairly hard as we are ontop of a huge limestone area. The tank has two filters on it and a bubbler?. I cleaned the sponge type filter out of all the guck that was in it in some of the water I took out. Where do I go from here because the water has a slight smell to it even though there is no fish or live plants in it. What are some easy tropical type fish to start with. Should I be testing the water and what am I testing for. The heater has the water around 74F. Help in simple terms would be appreciated Thanks from the frozen North Marlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37890	From: Gail	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Welcome to the group! Well, if you are just going to start a new tropical tank from scratch... I can go on for days about the eclectic mix of fish I have in my 55 gallon. I am a big fan of Cichlids and Gouramis (not in the same tank). If you are just starting up a new 33gallon with some new tropicals, stop by Lenny's blog and check on Stocking. I am impulsive and I tend to overstock my tanks (this makes it a huge chore to clean them weekly). So, go to his blog and absorb some enormous amounts of info: http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com Thanks for joining the group, I know you will learn a ton!! I know I have, and I have only been on here for a month or so. Lenny has greatly helped me (I had a 55gallon tank full of green water - key word HAD!) -Gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37891	From: N Taweel	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Hi Lenny, I appreciate your long reply, but unfortunately it won't help a lot. As for turning the filter(s) off during feeding, I already do that in all of my tanks to avoid the loss of too many sinking pieces of food inside the gravel due to the water agiation, and to give the fish a calmer feeding time. The squint-eyed Angelfish (he's not one-eyed, but because one eye is popping out, I think the two eyes are sending double images that are not matching perfectly in his brain , so he's not estimating the right location or distance of food). When he's alone in the tank, with a turned off filter, he takes a good 3 minutes time to catch all the 3 large pieces of floating food I'm feeding him. A tank devider to be used only in feeding times is not a good idea, it's hard to slide it in everytime, and keep only the Angelfish in the corner, especially with a closed wooden cover on top. As for the larger tanks.. em.. are you kidding? Of course there are large tanks and panes of glass here, how would we build our glass doors, and stores frontages otherwise? lol. There are tanks here in the sizes of a whole wall. I can simply order a tank with any size that I need, but I don't have the place for it in my living room, that's where I want my tank to be. The current stand can fit for a 30G tank instead of the present 20G, that's a plan for the future when my head clears off from my children's issues. Meanwhile, I'm just mentaining a lot and waiting for the fish to become less, I'm glad they're not dying as fast as it would be expected. My specific question is, would it hurt for the typed of fish that I have (Guppies, Tetra Serpaes, Zebra Danios, and Clown Loaces) to feed only once aday instead of twice? Thanks for your offers to help Noura ---- Original Message ---- Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:21 pm (PST) Hi Noura, For others reading this, Noura is in the middle-east and does not have access to a lot of the aquarium niceties (bigger tanks, tank dividers, more tanks, etc.) that many of us might have. You have a big of a quandary here. Your best bet would be to try and train this one fish to feed separately but in a 20G tank with a lot of fish, that's going to be hard to do. In a big tank, you could feed the fish at one end and then teach a single fish to feed at the other end using pavlovian methods but I don't think this will work in your situation. Your other option for helping it to catch its food, that might be easier, is if you turn off your filter(s) first so there is not much water movement during feeding, it will also make it easier for this one-eyed fish to catch it's food. Fish, like humans and other animals rely on two eyes in order to triangulate in on things to determine the distance of the item away from them. I have poor eyesight in one of my eyes and always had to work much harder when playing sports since I didn't have as good of depth perception as to how fast the ball was coming, etc. Eventually, the fish will learn better depth perception with just the one good eye but it will sure be easier to start learning without the food moving around so much.. which is why it would be good to turn off the filter first. Leaving the filter off for 5-10 minutes while the fish eat will not cause harm to the N-bacteria in the filter and it also means that the filter will not suck up any food so it will help keep the filter a little cleaner between weekly+ maintenance. As I've said in the past, I know it's not easy for you but you need to keep working on finding bigger tanks for your fish. As they grow, being overstocked will only cause more and more fish stress and health issues. A 20G with even a single adult sized angelfish would be considered overstocked and/or would require frequent maintenance. With multiple angelfish, a clown loach and other fish, it Have you ever thought about building your own larger tank out of wood with just a glass front made with a couple of glass panes out of the panes from another tank or even one or more broken tanks? If you are handy or have access to a handy DIY type person, I could direct you to websites with plans for DIY plywood tanks. If you can't access the websites, I could save copies of the website pages and email them to you and you could then open them with your internet explorer browser where you would have the webpage on your computer but it wouldn't actually be connected to the website over the internet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Amber, Good point. I drew a blank on the 33G and was thinking it was a tall tank based on the 20G Long footprint but the two other sizes based on that are the 29G and 37G, etc. The only 33G that I see on this site http://alysta.com/books/fishtank.htm is a 33G Long which has the same footprint as a 55G (48" x 12") but is only 13" high so that would not be a good tank for angelfish. Marlene, You should measure your tank and give us the dimensions or confirm if they match the 48" x 12" x 13" dimensions for a 33G Long tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Just joined Angelfish prefer a taller tank, not sure how tall your 33 gallon is. I would think they might require a slightly bigger tank, but I'm not an expert on that ;) If you want smaller tropical fish you can have a few schools of 1-2 inch long fish (adult size), school size of 5 or 6 male to female ratio will depend on what kind you choose and what your pH sits at. Do you happen to already know your water parameters? Amber marverlucy wrote: > > Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is > empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little > feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some > one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank > dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. > They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) > when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy > took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was > extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the > point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc > from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that > came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat > wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days > and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. > > So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of > tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple > of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. > > I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to > come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the > tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts > and toque. what a treat after this winter > > Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post > > Sunshine and butterflies to all > Marlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37893	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Oh.. I thought the pop eye went down... or at least it should have once he is healed up of the bacterial infection. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Hi Lenny, I appreciate your long reply, but unfortunately it won't help a lot. As for turning the filter(s) off during feeding, I already do that in all of my tanks to avoid the loss of too many sinking pieces of food inside the gravel due to the water agiation, and to give the fish a calmer feeding time. The squint-eyed Angelfish (he's not one-eyed, but because one eye is popping out, I think the two eyes are sending double images that are not matching perfectly in his brain , so he's not estimating the right location or distance of food). When he's alone in the tank, with a turned off filter, he takes a good 3 minutes time to catch all the 3 large pieces of floating food I'm feeding him. A tank devider to be used only in feeding times is not a good idea, it's hard to slide it in everytime, and keep only the Angelfish in the corner, especially with a closed wooden cover on top. As for the larger tanks.. em.. are you kidding? Of course there are large tanks and panes of glass here, how would we build our glass doors, and stores frontages otherwise? lol. There are tanks here in the sizes of a whole wall. I can simply order a tank with any size that I need, but I don't have the place for it in my living room, that's where I want my tank to be. The current stand can fit for a 30G tank instead of the present 20G, that's a plan for the future when my head clears off from my children's issues. Meanwhile, I'm just mentaining a lot and waiting for the fish to become less, I'm glad they're not dying as fast as it would be expected. My specific question is, would it hurt for the typed of fish that I have (Guppies, Tetra Serpaes, Zebra Danios, and Clown Loaces) to feed only once aday instead of twice? Thanks for your offers to help Noura ---- Original Message ---- Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:21 pm (PST) Hi Noura, For others reading this, Noura is in the middle-east and does not have access to a lot of the aquarium niceties (bigger tanks, tank dividers, more tanks, etc.) that many of us might have. You have a big of a quandary here. Your best bet would be to try and train this one fish to feed separately but in a 20G tank with a lot of fish, that's going to be hard to do. In a big tank, you could feed the fish at one end and then teach a single fish to feed at the other end using pavlovian methods but I don't think this will work in your situation. Your other option for helping it to catch its food, that might be easier, is if you turn off your filter(s) first so there is not much water movement during feeding, it will also make it easier for this one-eyed fish to catch it's food. Fish, like humans and other animals rely on two eyes in order to triangulate in on things to determine the distance of the item away from them. I have poor eyesight in one of my eyes and always had to work much harder when playing sports since I didn't have as good of depth perception as to how fast the ball was coming, etc. Eventually, the fish will learn better depth perception with just the one good eye but it will sure be easier to start learning without the food moving around so much.. which is why it would be good to turn off the filter first. Leaving the filter off for 5-10 minutes while the fish eat will not cause harm to the N-bacteria in the filter and it also means that the filter will not suck up any food so it will help keep the filter a little cleaner between weekly+ maintenance. As I've said in the past, I know it's not easy for you but you need to keep working on finding bigger tanks for your fish. As they grow, being overstocked will only cause more and more fish stress and health issues. A 20G with even a single adult sized angelfish would be considered overstocked and/or would require frequent maintenance. With multiple angelfish, a clown loach and other fish, it Have you ever thought about building your own larger tank out of wood with just a glass front made with a couple of glass panes out of the panes from another tank or even one or more broken tanks? If you are handy or have access to a handy DIY type person, I could direct you to websites with plans for DIY plywood tanks. If you can't access the websites, I could save copies of the website pages and email them to you and you could then open them with your internet explorer browser where you would have the webpage on your computer but it wouldn't actually be connected to the website over the internet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37894	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

Sorry.. hit send too soon on that earlier reply. Well, for adult fish, it's probably OK to feed just once a day... many people do this... but for fry and juvis that still need to grow, they need feeding every few hours for fry or 4-6 times a day for juvis to a couple of times a day for young adults that still have growing to do.... just much smaller amounts of food each time when feeding fry and juvis. The reason for this is their much faster metabolisms require more frequent meals (like a human baby cries for food every few hours). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Hi Lenny, I appreciate your long reply, but unfortunately it won't help a lot. As for turning the filter(s) off during feeding, I already do that in all of my tanks to avoid the loss of too many sinking pieces of food inside the gravel due to the water agiation, and to give the fish a calmer feeding time. The squint-eyed Angelfish (he's not one-eyed, but because one eye is popping out, I think the two eyes are sending double images that are not matching perfectly in his brain , so he's not estimating the right location or distance of food). When he's alone in the tank, with a turned off filter, he takes a good 3 minutes time to catch all the 3 large pieces of floating food I'm feeding him. A tank devider to be used only in feeding times is not a good idea, it's hard to slide it in everytime, and keep only the Angelfish in the corner, especially with a closed wooden cover on top. As for the larger tanks.. em.. are you kidding? Of course there are large tanks and panes of glass here, how would we build our glass doors, and stores frontages otherwise? lol. There are tanks here in the sizes of a whole wall. I can simply order a tank with any size that I need, but I don't have the place for it in my living room, that's where I want my tank to be. The current stand can fit for a 30G tank instead of the present 20G, that's a plan for the future when my head clears off from my children's issues. Meanwhile, I'm just mentaining a lot and waiting for the fish to become less, I'm glad they're not dying as fast as it would be expected. My specific question is, would it hurt for the typed of fish that I have (Guppies, Tetra Serpaes, Zebra Danios, and Clown Loaces) to feed only once aday instead of twice? Thanks for your offers to help Noura ---- Original Message ---- Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:21 pm (PST) Hi Noura, For others reading this, Noura is in the middle-east and does not have access to a lot of the aquarium niceties (bigger tanks, tank dividers, more tanks, etc.) that many of us might have. You have a big of a quandary here. Your best bet would be to try and train this one fish to feed separately but in a 20G tank with a lot of fish, that's going to be hard to do. In a big tank, you could feed the fish at one end and then teach a single fish to feed at the other end using pavlovian methods but I don't think this will work in your situation. Your other option for helping it to catch its food, that might be easier, is if you turn off your filter(s) first so there is not much water movement during feeding, it will also make it easier for this one-eyed fish to catch it's food. Fish, like humans and other animals rely on two eyes in order to triangulate in on things to determine the distance of the item away from them. I have poor eyesight in one of my eyes and always had to work much harder when playing sports since I didn't have as good of depth perception as to how fast the ball was coming, etc. Eventually, the fish will learn better depth perception with just the one good eye but it will sure be easier to start learning without the food moving around so much.. which is why it would be good to turn off the filter first. Leaving the filter off for 5-10 minutes while the fish eat will not cause harm to the N-bacteria in the filter and it also means that the filter will not suck up any food so it will help keep the filter a little cleaner between weekly+ maintenance. As I've said in the past, I know it's not easy for you but you need to keep working on finding bigger tanks for your fish. As they grow, being overstocked will only cause more and more fish stress and health issues. A 20G with even a single adult sized angelfish would be considered overstocked and/or would require frequent maintenance. With multiple angelfish, a clown loach and other fish, it Have you ever thought about building your own larger tank out of wood with just a glass front made with a couple of glass panes out of the panes from another tank or even one or more broken tanks? If you are handy or have access to a handy DIY type person, I could direct you to websites with plans for DIY plywood tanks. If you can't access the websites, I could save copies of the website pages and email them to you and you could then open them with your internet explorer browser where you would have the webpage on your computer but it wouldn't actually be connected to the website over the internet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37895	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: computer programme

Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37896	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

yeah I always misspell that ... Cichlids.... sorry for the typo.....you knew what I meant didn't know spelling was going to be an issue. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Just joined To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:50 PM Welcome to the group! Well, if you are just going to start a new tropical tank from scratch... I can go on for days about the eclectic mix of fish I have in my 55 gallon. I am a big fan of Cichlids and Gouramis (not in the same tank). If you are just starting up a new 33gallon with some new tropicals, stop by Lenny's blog and check on Stocking. I am impulsive and I tend to overstock my tanks (this makes it a huge chore to clean them weekly). So, go to his blog and absorb some enormous amounts of info: http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com Thanks for joining the group, I know you will learn a ton!! I know I have, and I have only been on here for a month or so. Lenny has greatly helped me (I had a 55gallon tank full of green water - key word HAD!) -Gail SLC, Ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37897	From: Richard Haley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

sorry bout that gail.nevermind the rant on last post I missunderstood something --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Just joined To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:50 PM Welcome to the group! Well, if you are just going to start a new tropical tank from scratch... I can go on for days about the eclectic mix of fish I have in my 55 gallon. I am a big fan of Cichlids and Gouramis (not in the same tank). If you are just starting up a new 33gallon with some new tropicals, stop by Lenny's blog and check on Stocking. I am impulsive and I tend to overstock my tanks (this makes it a huge chore to clean them weekly). So, go to his blog and absorb some enormous amounts of info: http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com Thanks for joining the group, I know you will learn a ton!! I know I have, and I have only been on here for a month or so. Lenny has greatly helped me (I had a 55gallon tank full of green water - key word HAD!) -Gail SLC, Ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37898	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37899	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Fwd: update on my fry

They are doing good. All are surviving. I do have a question though. How soon should I put them in with the adults? They are about 3 weeks now. I am thinking of putting them in the tank with the parents at the end of March or the beginning of April. They are growing bigger by the day it seems. -- A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37900	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Thanks Lenny. Appreciated. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37901	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: algae bloom

Ok I brought it on myself... basic mistake. I was having fun with all the livebearers, breeding in my tank... I was overfeeding the fish to keep them fat and happy so they would not eat the fry. I got my water chemistry all screwed up and LFS suggested I do PWC every three days. Now I realize the error of my ways. As I have been doing this, I realize that I have really screwed up the tank. I think doing the PWC's are making it worse, yes I am getting the food and poop out of the gravel but now with the new water being added, have I created a high nitrate situation that has caused the algae bloom? I have been doing the PWCs for the past 3 weeks. Even though I put new water in with prime( product LFS suggested to treat water for ammonia) since breakdown of ammonia yields nitrites and nitrates... basically fertilizer for the algae. now my water is puky green. not the glass, I clean that with the pwc's, the fish are less active, but it seems they are ok as they are still umm breeding. I have been reading posts on here about products to clear water and I would rather not kill off all my fish. any suggestions? or let it go and let it run its course and let the algae use up the nutrients ? thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37902	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

Well.. doing PWC's should not raise your nitrate level but rather lower it. In fact, you might want to start doing daily PWC's... but before you do, what are your numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temp and any other tests that you have? Do you know your 48 hour tap water baseline? If yes, give us those numbers too. What was your chemistry and how bad did it get? Are you also doing filter maintenance with the PWC's and gravel vacuuming? If you aren't doing proper filter maintenance, then the filter could be the source of the nitrogenous waste just as much as the gravel. Also, if the food was high in phosphates, that will contribute to the algae problems. What food product(s) do you feed them? The only way doing PWC's would raise your nitrates is if you have higher nitrate levels in your tap water than in your tank. For most folks, tap water should contain no more than 10ppm. What size tank? How many fish.. separate numbers for adults, juvi's and fry? Remember, the algae bloom is God's way (or Mother Nature's way) of trying to save your fish. The algae is using the pollutants caused from the funky water and is also adding oxygen to the water during photosynthesis so algae isn't necessarily a bad thing. Once we know your numbers, we can give better advice. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dewdude35 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] algae bloom Ok I brought it on myself... basic mistake. I was having fun with all the livebearers, breeding in my tank... I was overfeeding the fish to keep them fat and happy so they would not eat the fry. I got my water chemistry all screwed up and LFS suggested I do PWC every three days. Now I realize the error of my ways. As I have been doing this, I realize that I have really screwed up the tank. I think doing the PWC's are making it worse, yes I am getting the food and poop out of the gravel but now with the new water being added, have I created a high nitrate situation that has caused the algae bloom? I have been doing the PWCs for the past 3 weeks. Even though I put new water in with prime( product LFS suggested to treat water for ammonia) since breakdown of ammonia yields nitrites and nitrates... basically fertilizer for the algae. now my water is puky green. not the glass, I clean that with the pwc's, the fish are less active, but it seems they are ok as they are still umm breeding. I have been reading posts on here about products to clear water and I would rather not kill off all my fish. any suggestions? or let it go and let it run its course and let the algae use up the nutrients ? thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37903	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

Welcome, we are all glad to have you. I would like to say go for it, but angelfish can be kind of finnicky when it come to the water quality at the start so I would buy a few corydoras to start with, then add angelfish. But everything should be fine, good luck with your tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "marverlucy" <marverlucy@...> wrote: > > Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. > > > So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. > > I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts and toque. what a treat after this winter > > Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post > > Sunshine and butterflies to all > Marlene >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37904	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Just joined

I don't recall reading anywhere here that Marlene first needs to establish a nitrogen cycle after refilling this empty tank. Then, as Lenny points out, I would also not recommend Angelfish for this 13" high tank, unless the smaller (and much harder to find) Pterophyllum dumerillii (leopoldi) can be found. Otherwise, I would steer away from the more common Angelfish because of their taller tank requirements. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Welcome, we are all glad to have you. I would like to say go for it, but angelfish can be kind of finnicky when it come to the water quality at the start so I would buy a few corydoras to start with, then add angelfish. But everything should be fine, good luck with your tank. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "marverlucy" <marverlucy@> wrote: > > > > Hey all Just thought I better clairify my situation. My 33 gal tank is empty except for the water gravel etc. The goldfish are just little feeder fish left over from my son getting rid of his oscars to some one who would live feed them. The gold fish are in a smaller tank dimensions about a foot wind maybe two feet long and 16 inches high. They will be going out to my enclosed pond (no outlet for water etc) when the weather warms up. The oscars were a fair size and a buddy took those in. The pleco that died was about 13 inches long and was extremely ill or something because the water clouded over night to the point you could not see the back of the tank. I kept the filters etc from this tank in tact just washed them out in some of the water that came out of the tank. It smelt like a swamp in the middle of a heat wave. The pumps and filter etc have been running for a couple of days and the smell and green tinge to the water has cleared. > > > > > > So what everyone is telling me I will only be able to have a couple of tropical like fish in this 33 gal tank. I was hoping to get a couple of angel fish if they are not to hard to start with. > > > > I want only smallish type fish and easy care. My grandson wants to come with me to pick out a couple of fish this weekend as the tempature is to actually hit 12c. Yippee I will not have to wear mitts and toque. what a treat after this winter > > > > Hope this clarifiys any thing from the first post > > > > Sunshine and butterflies to all > > Marlene > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37905	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:13 PM, N Taweel <n-taweel@...> wrote: > Hi Lenny, > I appreciate your long reply, but unfortunately it won't help a lot. > As for turning the filter(s) off during feeding, I already do that in all of > my tanks to avoid the loss of too many sinking pieces of food inside the > gravel due to the water agiation, and to give the fish a calmer feeding > time. The squint-eyed Angelfish (he's not one-eyed, but because one eye is > popping out, I think the two eyes are sending double images that are not > matching perfectly in his brain , so he's not estimating the right location > or distance of food). When he's alone in the tank, with a turned off filter, > he takes a good 3 minutes time to catch all the 3 large pieces of floating > food I'm feeding him. > > A tank devider to be used only in feeding times is not a good idea, it's > hard to slide it in everytime, and keep only the Angelfish in the corner, > especially with a closed wooden cover on top. Perhaps a clear glass bowl left in the tank? Use hands or a mechanical "grabber arm" to maneuver bowl to have angel in it and then raise to surface so it is alone. And then feed and release, putting the bowl on the bottom again for the next day. Just a thought. > > As for the larger tanks.. em.. are you kidding? Of course there are large > tanks and panes of glass here, how would we build our glass doors, and > stores frontages otherwise? lol. There are tanks here in the sizes of a > whole wall. I can simply order a tank with any size that I need, but I don't > have the place for it in my living room, that's where I want my tank to be. > The current stand can fit for a 30G tank instead of the present 20G, that's > a plan for the future when my head clears off from my children's issues. > Meanwhile, I'm just mentaining a lot and waiting for the fish to become > less, I'm glad they're not dying as fast as it would be expected. > > My specific question is, would it hurt for the typed of fish that I have > (Guppies, Tetra Serpaes, Zebra Danios, and Clown Loaces) to feed only once > aday instead of twice? > Thanks for your offers to help > Noura > > ---- Original Message ---- > Re: Update on the pop-eyed Angelfish > Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot > Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:21 pm (PST) > Hi Noura, > > For others reading this, Noura is in the middle-east and does not have > access to a lot of the aquarium niceties (bigger tanks, tank dividers, more > tanks, etc.) that many of us might have. > > You have a big of a quandary here. Your best bet would be to try and train > this one fish to feed separately but in a 20G tank with a lot of fish, > that's going to be hard to do. In a big tank, you could feed the fish at > one end and then teach a single fish to feed at the other end using > pavlovian methods but I don't think this will work in your situation. > > Your other option for helping it to catch its food, that might be easier, is > if you turn off your filter(s) first so there is not much water movement > during feeding, it will also make it easier for this one-eyed fish to catch > it's food. Fish, like humans and other animals rely on two eyes in order to > triangulate in on things to determine the distance of the item away from > them. I have poor eyesight in one of my eyes and always had to work much > harder when playing sports since I didn't have as good of depth perception > as to how fast the ball was coming, etc. Eventually, the fish will learn > better depth perception with just the one good eye but it will sure be > easier to start learning without the food moving around so much.. which is > why it would be good to turn off the filter first. Leaving the filter off > for 5-10 minutes while the fish eat will not cause harm to the N-bacteria in > the filter and it also means that the filter will not suck up any food so it > will help keep the filter a little cleaner between weekly+ maintenance. > > As I've said in the past, I know it's not easy for you but you need to keep > working on finding bigger tanks for your fish. As they grow, being > overstocked will only cause more and more fish stress and health issues. A > 20G with even a single adult sized angelfish would be considered overstocked > and/or would require frequent maintenance. With multiple angelfish, a clown > loach and other fish, it > > Have you ever thought about building your own larger tank out of wood with > just a glass front made with a couple of glass panes out of the panes from > another tank or even one or more broken tanks? If you are handy or have > access to a handy DIY type person, I could direct you to websites with plans > for DIY plywood tanks. If you can't access the websites, I could save > copies of the website pages and email them to you and you could then open > them with your internet explorer browser where you would have the webpage on > your computer but it wouldn't actually be connected to the website over the > internet. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of N Taweel > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37906	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Lenny, Thanks for the chart, I have been using Open Office for a few years now and really like it... Jim In a message dated 3/5/2009 7:10:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, GoldLenny@... writes: There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ (http://files.filefront.com/13416948) (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ (http://files.filefront.com/13416958) (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was _http://www.klsnet.http://wwwhttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls) BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlennyhttp://goldlehttp://go_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html) but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37907	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: My Krib's are parents!!!

Well, my Krib's have quite a few new ones in the "log" they made home....Now, what do I fed them? Or how? They are keeping everyone away from the area, hard to beleive, the tank is one month old today... I need some help.... Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37908	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: My Krib's are parents!!!

To raise any quantity of them, or - depending on the individual make up of the fish population and the tank size - to raise any at all it's best to remove the fry to a separate rearing tank. This can be accomplished by syphoning them into a container and transferring them to the new tank. If left in the community tank, they usually get picked off by the other fish despite the efforts of the parents in trying to prevent this. While there still may be some left after a week or so, eventually (sooner rather than later) they will usually all be hunted down in most instances. I don't know what size tank you have nor do I know what you have as occupants; in a larger tank containing for the most part smaller (and meeker) fish which the parents may have a chance in isolating and defending the fry, it is possible to raise at least a few, but this is not the norm. Anyway, the best and usually easiest food to start feeding most Cichlid fry of this size is newly hatched baby brine shrimp, not only as it's most nutritious but because it's usually the most convenient to make available compared to other equally nutritious fry food (like microworms). If you don't have a BBS hatcher though, then it's not so convenient. In this case, get them some packets of frozen baby brine shrimp which, if kept in circulation by an airstone, will be readily accepted by most Cichlid fry. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Pat." <Jpateson@...> wrote: > > Well, my Krib's have quite a few new ones in the "log" they made home....Now, what do I fed them? Or how? They are keeping everyone away from the area, hard to beleive, the tank is one month old today... > > I need some help.... > > Jim >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37909	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: New Find

Dunno how many already know about this, but I just stumbled upon this while bored at work. http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/Amazonia/default.cfm Enjoy. :D -Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37910	From: biG poppa	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss

thank you so much for the xmas wow its very green do you use CO2? --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Debra <dmelton2@...> wrote: From: Debra <dmelton2@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] java moss To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:31 PM I have some I can send you. I blieve it is Christmas moss. Email your address to: dmelton2@gmail. com Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:51:24 To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] java moss Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37911	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss

Deb, Do you have any more you could part with? I have some new fry from my Kribs that would love it... Jim In a message dated 3/6/2009 4:53:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, greychildren@... writes: thank you so much for the xmas wow its very green do you use CO2? --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Debra <_dmelton2@..._ (mailto:dmelton2@...) > wrote: From: Debra <_dmelton2@..._ (mailto:dmelton2@...) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] java moss To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:31 PM I have some I can send you. I blieve it is Christmas moss. Email your address to: dmelton2@gmail. com Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:51:24 To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] java moss Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37912	From: Debra	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: java moss

Email me your name and address offline to dmelton2@... Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Jpateson@... Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:17:28 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] java moss Deb, Do you have any more you could part with? I have some new fry from my Kribs that would love it... Jim In a message dated 3/6/2009 4:53:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, greychildren@... writes: thank you so much for the xmas wow its very green do you use CO2? --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Debra <_dmelton2@..._ (mailto:dmelton2@...) > wrote: From: Debra <_dmelton2@..._ (mailto:dmelton2@...) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] java moss To:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:31 PM I have some I can send you. I blieve it is Christmas moss. Email your address to: dmelton2@gmail. com Deb Ocean Springs, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "greychildren" <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:51:24 To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] java moss Hi guys it me again.. I been to several LFS down here in south Florida an i have not been able to find some Java Moss or Xmas Moss..do guys know were i can find some. or if you have some to spare let me know... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37913	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: New Find

The National Zoo is definitely worth a visit if you are in or around DC. And, if you happen to be in the area on Monday, the PVAS monthly meeting occurs. "Our speaker this month is Rick Quintero of the Smithsonian National Zoo's Amazonia Exhibit. Rick will talk about 'Breeding the Collection' and his experiences in breeding fish for the Amazonia Exhibit." Go to http://www.pvas.com/meetings.php for an address and directions to the site. Some people are just a bit more fortunate than others, I guess <g>. The PVAS has at least one speaker a year from the Smithsonian. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > The Dragon Hunter > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] New Find > > Dunno how many already know about this, but I just stumbled upon this while > bored at work. > > > > http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/Amazonia/default.cfm > > > > Enjoy. :D > > > > -Steve > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37914	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

First, as Lenny has alluded to, we need to know what you mean by high nitrates. Giving us other water parameters would also be nice as it will give us a more complete picture of what may be happening in your tank. Presuming that you are using the proper water conditioner, if needed, I can hazard a guess as to your problem. You are doing a yeoman's job in trying to get the substrate cleaned. This may be contributing to a higher ammonia load than normal in your tank. What is not taken out with the water change is ending up in your filter where it will decompose some and add additional nitrogenous waste for the bacteria to process. You may want to give your filter media a quick cleaning each water change, rinsing it in water that has been removed from the tank. Once you start pulling less and less from the substrate, this issue should start to clear up. Less nitrogenous waste will be available, and the cycle will produce less nitrate as an end product. With less food to thrive on, algae will start to decrease, and will eventually clear up. Another way to help deal with this problem is the use of live plants, which will also use nitrate as a food source, as well as other available nitrogen products, as well as help provide hiding places for your fry. However, you'll not see an immediate improvement when introducing new live plants to your tank. They will need to go through a period of adjustment to your tank, and will not start using nitrogenous wastes for several days to several weeks. Once they do start growing, they will out compete the algae for what is available, and the algae will decrease. Ah, re-reading your post shows you are using Prime. Prime does not break down ammonia, but changes it to a form that is less toxic to the fish. (I know the label will say it removes ammonia, but the only way to do this is through the use of a zeolite, which is a mineral, and Prime, as well as the others, are chemical in nature.) The reason I was re-reading your post was to determine if you had mostly green water, or if you had algae growing on the surface of objects in your tank. Since you do have some growing on the glass, just clean the panes that you use for viewing the tank, and leave the others for now. This form of algae will compete with the free floating algae which is making your water green. When things start to come back into balance, and you no longer have the green algae, you can slowly start working on the other glass that have been allowed to become covered with algae. Heck, who knows, you may become fond of the green background it offers, as well as being an additional source of food for your fish along with the microscopic organisms that will grow with the algae. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > dewdude35 > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] algae bloom > > Ok I brought it on myself... basic mistake. I was having fun with all the livebearers, breeding > in my tank... I was overfeeding the fish to keep them fat and happy so they would not eat the > fry. I got my water chemistry all screwed up and LFS suggested I do PWC every three days. > Now I realize the error of my ways. As I have been doing this, I realize that I have really > screwed up the tank. I think doing the PWC's are making it worse, yes I am getting the food > and poop out of the gravel but now with the new water being added, have I created a high > nitrate situation that has caused the algae bloom? I have been doing the PWCs for the past > 3 weeks. Even though I put new water in with prime( product LFS suggested to treat water for > ammonia) since breakdown of ammonia yields nitrites and nitrates... basically fertilizer for > the algae. now my water is puky green. not the glass, I clean that with the pwc's, the fish are > less active, but it seems they are ok as they are still umm breeding. I have been reading posts > on here about products to clear water and I would rather not kill off all my fish. any > suggestions? or let it go and let it run its course and let the algae use up the nutrients ? > thanks > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37915	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Bad mojo

I wondered why the fish were dying, I found out last night I have whitespot, thanks to a famous well known uk lfs, and pet shop. I spent around £60 on meds on thursday to get a mix of stuff in the hope of having something that would stop the mysterious deaths, when I went into this famous shop we found a lot and I mean a lot of dead fish in their tanks, we pointed it out and the deputy manager told one of the girls to do a water test, it went through the roof on the nitrates, I mean dark ruby red !. My wifes heater broke in her tank so I gave her the one out of the hospital tank, and then when we went to the shop to get my Betta replaced and found the dead fish there etc they merely said here have a small bottle of stress coat to sort the problem out!, they asked if I needed anything else to help sort the problem out, so I asked them for a heater to go into the wifes tank in order that I could have mine back in the hospital tank and isolate the fish, I got told I could buy one!!. Yeah it gets worse, because after moving fish around in order to get 99% of them into one tank for meds, my Dalmation Molly had her babys, I have no idea how many got eaten but I have 9 left in a floating fry tank. I have no idea what to feed them on so we are crumbling up regular fish food. Who was the LFS ?, guess. If they dont help sort out the problem I will tell. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37916	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo

I wish you would have come here first before spending all that money. All you really needed for the treatment of Ich is salt.. yes regular plain table salt (no additives is best).. and heat from turning up the heater. What meds did they sell you? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bad mojo I wondered why the fish were dying, I found out last night I have whitespot, thanks to a famous well known uk lfs, and pet shop. I spent around £60 on meds on thursday to get a mix of stuff in the hope of having something that would stop the mysterious deaths, when I went into this famous shop we found a lot and I mean a lot of dead fish in their tanks, we pointed it out and the deputy manager told one of the girls to do a water test, it went through the roof on the nitrates, I mean dark ruby red !. My wifes heater broke in her tank so I gave her the one out of the hospital tank, and then when we went to the shop to get my Betta replaced and found the dead fish there etc they merely said here have a small bottle of stress coat to sort the problem out!, they asked if I needed anything else to help sort the problem out, so I asked them for a heater to go into the wifes tank in order that I could have mine back in the hospital tank and isolate the fish, I got told I could buy one!!. Yeah it gets worse, because after moving fish around in order to get 99% of them into one tank for meds, my Dalmation Molly had her babys, I have no idea how many got eaten but I have 9 left in a floating fry tank. I have no idea what to feed them on so we are crumbling up regular fish food. Who was the LFS ?, guess. If they dont help sort out the problem I will tell. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37917	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo

Wow! I did not realize that salt was so expensive in the UK. If ich is your problem, that and heat are all you need to cure the fish, and kill the ich parasite. Ich appears on fish as if the fish were sprinkled with salt. To effect a cure, all you need to do is to raise the temperature of the tank to about 84^o F, and add salt. The amount of salt to add would depend on the fish in your tank, as some are more sensitive to salt than others. Moving the fish to a quarantine or hospital tank for treatment will not really help you much for the main tank. The parasite goes through a life cycle that includes the substrate of your tank. The heat speeds up their lifecycle, and the salt will kill the parasite when it is most vulnerable--swimming in the water column looking for a host (the fish). A bit more information on your tank, the water parameters, and the fish living within, as well as a good description of the symptoms, will allow us to give more practical advice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bad mojo > > I wondered why the fish were dying, I found out last night I have > whitespot, thanks to a famous well known uk lfs, and pet shop. I spent > around £60 on meds on thursday to get a mix of stuff in the hope of having > something that would stop the mysterious deaths, when I went into this > famous shop we found a lot and I mean a lot of dead fish in their tanks, we > pointed it out and the deputy manager told one of the girls to do a water > test, it went through the roof on the nitrates, I mean dark ruby red !. > > My wifes heater broke in her tank so I gave her the one out of the hospital > tank, and then when we went to the shop to get my Betta replaced and found > the dead fish there etc they merely said here have a small bottle of stress > coat to sort the problem out!, they asked if I needed anything else to help > sort the problem out, so I asked them for a heater to go into the wifes > tank in order that I could have mine back in the hospital tank and isolate > the fish, I got told I could buy one!!. > > Yeah it gets worse, because after moving fish around in order to get 99% of > them into one tank for meds, my Dalmation Molly had her babys, I have no > idea how many got eaten but I have 9 left in a floating fry tank. I have no > idea what to feed them on so we are crumbling up regular fish food. > > Who was the LFS ?, guess. If they dont help sort out the problem I will > tell. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37918	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bad mojo

No lennny we bought a host of meds when it started as we weren't sure what the prob was, I figured it best to be prepared for not just this but anything in the future, it just turned out it is ich this time round. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Bad mojo I wish you would have come here first before spending all that money. All you really needed for the treatment of Ich is salt.. yes regular plain table salt (no additives is best).. and heat from turning up the heater. What meds did they sell you? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bad mojo I wondered why the fish were dying, I found out last night I have whitespot, thanks to a famous well known uk lfs, and pet shop. I spent around £60 on meds on thursday to get a mix of stuff in the hope of having something that would stop the mysterious deaths, when I went into this famous shop we found a lot and I mean a lot of dead fish in their tanks, we pointed it out and the deputy manager told one of the girls to do a water test, it went through the roof on the nitrates, I mean dark ruby red !. My wifes heater broke in her tank so I gave her the one out of the hospital tank, and then when we went to the shop to get my Betta replaced and found the dead fish there etc they merely said here have a small bottle of stress coat to sort the problem out!, they asked if I needed anything else to help sort the problem out, so I asked them for a heater to go into the wifes tank in order that I could have mine back in the hospital tank and isolate the fish, I got told I could buy one!!. Yeah it gets worse, because after moving fish around in order to get 99% of them into one tank for meds, my Dalmation Molly had her babys, I have no idea how many got eaten but I have 9 left in a floating fry tank. I have no idea what to feed them on so we are crumbling up regular fish food. Who was the LFS ?, guess. If they dont help sort out the problem I will tell. __________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" - The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37919	From: dinbis	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Bruised gold fish -due to sucking loach attack.

I bought two loaches for my 3ft tank which is fresh water and contains four gold fish. I had to return the sucking loach as it continually sucked the mucas off one of the larger fish. This fish is now badly bruised. I've been adding stress coat and a little salt to the water. The fish seems to act normally and is feeding well - apart from the bruises it seems ok, is there anything else I can do to help it heal please?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37920	From: Jerry	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: salt in fresh water

I add salt but worry over a period of time the water may get too salty. Drs. F&S have a hydrometer that measures Part Per Thousand. It may work but I don't know what the PPT should be for fresh water. Can anyone help? Jerry ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.278 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1978 - Release Date: 03/01/09 07:04:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37921	From: adamreptiles2004	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Aquatic Plants

Hello, Im looking to see if anyone on the board has any aquatic plants they want to get rid of. Since they usually take over the tank. I have proper lighting and have experiance with aquatic freshwater plants. Please let me know if you would like to unload some plants. Thanks Adam

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37922	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Bruised gold fish -due to sucking loach attack.

If the injuries are not open sores or infected, I would just use salt or Melafix. How much salt are you adding per gallons. You could also do dips (outside of your main tank) of the injured fish in a higher concentration of salt water. You don't say how many gallons your "3ft tank" is but four goldfish would need to be in at least a 100G+, if fancy goldfish and 200G+ if long bodied goldfish... for long term success. A few baby or juvi goldfish can do OK for a few months in an undersized tank but goldfish do most of their growing in the first 1-2 years and if they are kept in undersized tanks during this time period, the goldfish will suffer from stunting and the stunting will lead to many health issues and a shortened lifespan. Goldfish should live for a LONG time... 10+ years for fancies, 20+ years for long-bodied... if kept in appropriate sized homes. If you are planning on a larger tank, you can compensate a little for the undersized tank by doing more frequent PWC's (partial water changes), maybe 3-4 times a week, to help keep the pollution levels down and the hormone levels down.. it's the hormone levels that lead to stunting. Also do frequent gravel vacuuming and filter maintenance which will also help keep the pollution level down. Please do not try to add any more fish to your tank. An overstocked tank, besides having pollution problems, will also have Darwinism issues more often... meaning survival of the fittest, where fish will try to kill off their competition in order to ensure a better chance for their own survival. Goldfish will not usually do this since they are one of the most peaceful fish around so they usually take the punishment from other fish. Of course, during mating periods, a male goldfish can be aggressive to females but that's about the only time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dinbis Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bruised gold fish -due to sucking loach attack. I bought two loaches for my 3ft tank which is fresh water and contains four gold fish. I had to return the sucking loach as it continually sucked the mucas off one of the larger fish. This fish is now badly bruised. I've been adding stress coat and a little salt to the water. The fish seems to act normally and is feeding well - apart from the bruises it seems ok, is there anything else I can do to help it heal please? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37923	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: salt in fresh water

Salt is not usually needed for the majority of freshwater fish. What kind of fish do you have? There is no hobbyist type Hydrometer that will measure the low levels of salt in a FW tank. SW tanks have salt levels of around 35ppT (or 35 teaspoons per gallon) where FW tanks might only have .5 teaspoons per gallon as a normal level if one has livebearers which is why a Hydrometer will not measure down to that level which would be measure in parts per Ten Thousand. Then there are times where a disease or parasite treatment might require bringing the salt level up to 2 to 3 teaspoons per gallon (0.2% to 0.3% or 2 to 3 ppT. I don't believe salt should be added to FW tanks as a general rule... only as a treatment or to harden the water for certain fish species. If you intend to keep salt in your tank, then you should do a series of daily 25% PWC's and add the correct dosage of salt to the replacement water each day. After a week of these daily changes, your tank will be very, very close to the level that you had been treating the replacement water... once again, if for livebearers or certain other species, .5 teaspoons per gallon (1 level teaspoon per 2 gallons) would be all that you should do... if that much. Do you know the GH and KH levels of your water? Here's a couple of long articles about salt. http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/salt.shtml http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article22.html http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article5.html I have more articles about salt and it's pros and cons on my blog on the Disease page in a section about Salt and The Osmoregulatory System... scroll about 1/2 way down the page. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] salt in fresh water I add salt but worry over a period of time the water may get too salty. Drs. F&S have a hydrometer that measures Part Per Thousand. It may work but I don't know what the PPT should be for fresh water. Can anyone help? Jerry ----------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37924	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants

I don't have any right now but you should put where you are from... City and State or at least Country. This group is worldwide. For lower prices on live plants, check out a pond supply or aquatic garden center. They won't have the same variety of plants as a fish store but for plants that are common in ponds, they'll have much better prices. I use a lot of Anacharis in my goldfish tank and cherry shrimp tank (and formerly in my ponds) and it use to be around 50 cents a bunch at the garden center where it might be $3.00 at the PetsMart of LFS. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adamreptiles2004 Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquatic Plants Hello, Im looking to see if anyone on the board has any aquatic plants they want to get rid of. Since they usually take over the tank. I have proper lighting and have experiance with aquatic freshwater plants. Please let me know if you would like to unload some plants. Thanks Adam

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37925	From: harry perry	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: No one visits the homepage????

I don't have an "L" number for this cat. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37926	From: bygolliebordercollies	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Goldfish attacking

Hello just yesterday some of my goldfish started to attack two of my other fish. (Fancy goldfish)They actually bit out their eyes. I have seperated them by just putting the 2 fancys in a 5 gallon bucket until I can set up fish tank for them. My question is why did they do this all of a sudden? They all have been togethers since the end of summer amd never have fought before. I am heartbroken that this happened. Also will my fish with no eyes be able to live for a long time still. I pinched food between my fingers and held it infront of his face and he ate it. I hope that is a good sign. Any help or advice would be greatly apprieciated. Thank you.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37927	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????

We talked about the Sea-tiger a couple of weeks ago... probably on the day it showed up on the home page. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/37734 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? I don't have an "L" number for this cat. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37928	From: harry perry	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????/Lenny

I must of been sick that day. Harry --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 2:36 PM We talked about the Sea-tiger a couple of weeks ago... probably on the day it showed up on the home page. http://pets. groups.yahoo. com/group/ AquaticLife/ message/37734 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? I don't have an "L" number for this cat. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><( (((:>.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8><((( (:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><(( ((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/ `7.88.74/ `7.8<:((( (><8.74/` 7.8. , .74/`7..<:(( ((><74/`7. 88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37929	From: Suzi	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????

I don't think he eats algae ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37930	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish attacking

Goldfish attacking other goldfish is a very rare issue, especially the eyes. Usually, during mating periods, a male might get aggressive towards a female but it doesn't involve biting but rather pushing and nudging aggressively trying to get the female to drop her eggs. Tell us more about your tank/pond, how many fish, what kind, history of the tank, etc. Yes, fish with no eyes can live but as you see, you will have to almost hand feed them or use a sinking pellet type food that they can find by smell. OmegaSea makes a very good medium sized sinking pellet. It's one of the foods that I feed my goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bygolliebordercollies Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:54 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish attacking Hello just yesterday some of my goldfish started to attack two of my other fish. (Fancy goldfish)They actually bit out their eyes. I have seperated them by just putting the 2 fancys in a 5 gallon bucket until I can set up fish tank for them. My question is why did they do this all of a sudden? They all have been togethers since the end of summer amd never have fought before. I am heartbroken that this happened. Also will my fish with no eyes be able to live for a long time still. I pinched food between my fingers and held it infront of his face and he ate it. I hope that is a good sign. Any help or advice would be greatly apprieciated. Thank you.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37931	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????

I think he eats anything... no, make that every thing... that is slower than him. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? I don't think he eats algae ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37932	From: Suzi	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: No one visits the homepage????

that is true ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? I think he eats anything... no, make that every thing... that is slower than him. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] No one visits the homepage???? I don't think he eats algae ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37933	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Blimey

It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37934	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37935	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let other animals eat their own, look at what happened with chickens etc . Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to practice a full nelson ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37936	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Nope, Lenny is not being wicked. Fish eating fry, whether their own or another's. Very few fry grow to be adults in the wild. My grandmother had a 20 gallon tank with what would be referred to as feeder guppies today. The population reached a certain point and then seemed to maintain itself at that point. It was this way for years. Sometimes there would be more by a few, and sometimes there would be less by a few, but the population seemed to be basically in stasis. Yet, there were always gravid females. The young fry were likely eaten by the other inhabitants in the tank. Now, I would not advice anyone to do this for their tanks, as this tank, looking back with the knowledge I have now, was over crowded. I never saw her do a water change, which does not preclude that she did or did not. And there was only a smallish bubble-up filter in the corner that always looked like it should be cleaned. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, lucky i'm not my wife > she would hit you with her handbag. > Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I have visions of > mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let other animals eat their own, look at > what happened with chickens etc . > > Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to practice a full nelson > ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > > Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various > batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let > most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you > start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks > will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around > to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were > trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now > have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both > getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I > didn't take any notice of their size then........ > > do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank > we set up for the fry just in case. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Fish in the wild eat other baby fish all the time, it's nature. I keep guppies in my big tank with other full grown fish and each time them or my platy's has babies they are eaten so fast it's like they're almost never even born ;) Trust me unless you sit there and watch all day long you'll probably barely notice the babies get eaten, it's just mother nature taking it's course inside of your tank just like it would if it was a little pond or lake in the wild. There's no harm to the other fish unless you don't keep a very clean tank somehow and your other fish would be sick before the fry would be anyways, so it wouldn't be the fry getting your other fish sick, it would be the tank parameters. Unless you want to breed your fish then you might want to try getting some plants that the fry can hide in, and might want to try taking out some of the other types of fish and keep Molly's only in one big tank, but keep in mind some of them might still get eaten, it's natural for fish to chase small moving food ;) Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty > man, lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. > Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some > reason I have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant > be good to let other animals eat their own, look at what happened with > chickens etc . > > Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away > to practice a full nelson ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various > batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let > most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you > start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks > will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled > around > to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were > trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now > have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both > getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I > didn't take any notice of their size then........ > > do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the > tank > we set up for the fry just in case. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37938	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

I saw \\Steve// and Amber both replied affirming my advice to you but I guess that doesn't mean I'm sill not wicked. <BEG> (Big Evil Grin.. lol) But now you have me curious about what happened to chickens? Last time I ate some... a few days ago... they still tasted like frog legs to me... ooops.. I meant chicken! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let other animals eat their own, look at what happened with chickens etc . Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to practice a full nelson ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37939	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Chicken question huh. Last I heard, feeding chickens dead chickens caused some viral strain of something or other to occur that causes illness in us, isnt this what caused the h5n1 strain of flu?. I'm no biologist so dont know. I'm glad you werent near my wife, that handbag has a house brick rolled in lead sheet in it, I know, she used it on me once....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey I saw \\Steve// and Amber both replied affirming my advice to you but I guess that doesn't mean I'm sill not wicked. <BEG> (Big Evil Grin.. lol) But now you have me curious about what happened to chickens? Last time I ate some... a few days ago... they still tasted like frog legs to me... ooops.. I meant chicken! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let other animals eat their own, look at what happened with chickens etc . Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to practice a full nelson ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

Well, in the wild, most fish have been eating their own eggs and fry (or other fishes eggs and fry) for eons and as far as I know, no such thing as mad fish disease has sprung up. It's also part of Darwinism's theory of Survival Of The Fittest. The surviving fry are presumably the smartest, fastest, healthiest, etc., of the batch to have escaped being eaten so that perpetuates the species better than having a bunch of unhealthy, slow and stupid fry surviving and breeding... almost sounds like something we should try with certain humans. ;-) You've obviously learned how to dodge your wife's lead-brick filled purse which perpetuates your survival. Welcome to the future! :-D Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey Chicken question huh. Last I heard, feeding chickens dead chickens caused some viral strain of something or other to occur that causes illness in us, isnt this what caused the h5n1 strain of flu?. I'm no biologist so dont know. I'm glad you werent near my wife, that handbag has a house brick rolled in lead sheet in it, I know, she used it on me once....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey I saw \\Steve// and Amber both replied affirming my advice to you but I guess that doesn't mean I'm sill not wicked. <BEG> (Big Evil Grin.. lol) But now you have me curious about what happened to chickens? Last time I ate some... a few days ago... they still tasted like frog legs to me... ooops.. I meant chicken! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let other animals eat their own, look at what happened with chickens etc . Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to practice a full nelson ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled around to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I didn't take any notice of their size then........ do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the tank we set up for the fry just in case. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37941	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

The disease you refer to, more commonly known at the time as bird flu. People apparently contracted it from the birds, when they ate them or were in close contact with them. The birds did not contract it by eating other birds, but from coming in contact with or eating other bird's feces either directly, or in contact with other food. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > Chicken question huh. Last I heard, feeding chickens dead chickens caused some viral strain > of something or other to occur that causes illness in us, isnt this what caused the h5n1 strain > of flu?. I'm no biologist so dont know. > > I'm glad you werent near my wife, that handbag has a house brick rolled in lead sheet in it, I > know, she used it on me once....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:56 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > > I saw \\Steve// and Amber both replied affirming my advice to you but I > guess that doesn't mean I'm sill not wicked. <BEG> (Big Evil Grin.. lol) > > But now you have me curious about what happened to chickens? Last time I > ate some... a few days ago... they still tasted like frog legs to me... > ooops.. I meant chicken! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > Lenny how could you be so erm wicked!!, let them eat the fry, nasty man, > lucky i'm not my wife she would hit you with her handbag. > Seriously I dont like the idea of them eating other fish, for some reason I > have visions of mad cow disease or the likes, surely it cant be good to let > other animals eat their own, look at what happened with chickens etc . > > Think I will just try to coerce my lfs to take em for free.( goes away to > practice a full nelson ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > Unless you have a bunch of grow-out tanks where you can have the various > batches of fry, you might just want to let nature take it's course and let > most of the fry get eaten each time. Most adult fish will eat fry. If you > start trying to save too many and you don't have enough tanks, your tanks > will be overcrowded resulting in poor water quality and sick/dying fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Blimey > > It gets better, dalmation molly fry born last night, so we scrambled > around > to net them and remove them to a place of safety as the other fish were > trying to eat them, turns out we killed more than we saved, I think I now > have 6 left. I then took a look at the female guppies today, their both > getting like fat little beer kegs!!. I only got them a few days ago and I > didn't take any notice of their size then........ > > do Guppies eat molly fry ?, was kind of thinking of moving them to the > tank > we set up for the fry just in case. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37942	From: Mark Nelson	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I can't seem to download this. Can someone email the Microsoft Office version to me? Thanks! - Mark Nelson marknelson@... <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416948) (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416958) (XLS file for MS Excel) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

What was it doing? Which browser and version do you use? I just checked the link http://files.filefront.com/13416958 and it worked for me with IE7 but I did notice that after I clicked the "Download Now" button, I had to OK the download by clicking on the Security Bar pop-up that IE had to prevent downloads from the site.. or any other site unless you then click the Security Bar and temporarily allow downloads from the site. Filefront.com has actually made it much easier to download files from them. In the past, one had to click through several links to see ads before they could get the free file. Now, the link brings you right to the "Download Now" page, then when you click that button, the file downloads... except for when security protocols on one's computer blocks them. I will also attach a copy of the file to this email which is being sent as a CC to your individual email address since the group does not allow attachments. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme I can't seem to download this. Can someone email the Microsoft Office version to me? Thanks! - Mark Nelson marknelson@... <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416948) (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416958) (XLS file for MS Excel) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37944	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Blimey

In a message dated 3/8/2009 6:56:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: But now you have me curious about what happened to chickens? Last time I ate some... a few days ago... they still tasted like frog legs to me... ooops.. I meant chicken! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder I'm dying to know what happened to the chickens too. Being I just spent 9 hours looking at them at work.... Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37945	From: Gail	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

I had an algae bloom in my 55 gallon. You have to be really patient when curing this issue. I hadn't seen my fish in months; prior to finding out how to fix the problem. How I cured mine: ~I did weekly PWC ~I vaccumed the gravel weekly ~I cleaned my filtration system weekly, I would remove a bucket of water (like mentioned before) from my tank; toss my filter cartridge into the bucket and swish it around. While that was sitting in the bucket, I would use my cleaning brushes and clean the filter system in the sink. I would put my filter system back on to my tank, wring out my cartridge with my bare hands (really gross). And place it back into the filter system. And start it back up again after I had replaced the water I had removed. After only approx 3-4 weeks of doing this, my tank was clear again & I could see my fish. Here are some of the mistakes I had made that promoted this "green tank syndrome": Rinsing my filter cartridge with tap water Rinsing my bio wheel with tap water Not vaccuming my gravel weekly Over stocking my tank with too many fish Good luck & be patient because there is NO MIRACLE CURE when it comes to this hobby. -Gail SLC, UT

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37946	From: bygolliebordercollies	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish attacking

Thank you for your reply. Just one question... How do you get your female to drop her eggs? Thank you, Kellee --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Goldfish attacking other goldfish is a very rare issue, especially the eyes. > Usually, during mating periods, a male might get aggressive towards a female > but it doesn't involve biting but rather pushing and nudging aggressively > trying to get the female to drop her eggs. Tell us more about your > tank/pond, how many fish, what kind, history of the tank, etc. > > Yes, fish with no eyes can live but as you see, you will have to almost hand > feed them or use a sinking pellet type food that they can find by smell. > OmegaSea makes a very good medium sized sinking pellet. It's one of the > foods that I feed my goldfish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bygolliebordercollies > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:54 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish attacking > > Hello just yesterday some of my goldfish started to attack two of my other > fish. (Fancy goldfish)They actually bit out their eyes. I have seperated > them by just putting the 2 fancys in a 5 gallon bucket until I can set up > fish tank for them. My question is why did they do this all of a sudden? > They all have been togethers since the end of summer amd never have fought > before. I am heartbroken that this happened. Also will my fish with no eyes > be able to live for a long time still. I pinched food between my fingers and > held it infront of his face and he ate it. I hope that is a good sign. Any > help or advice would be greatly apprieciated. Thank you. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37947	From: harry perry	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Common Pleco !!!!

Maybe not. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Actually Acanthicus Hystrix [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37948	From: Suzi	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Common Pleco !!!!

wow! sure is big! ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: harry perry To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Common Pleco !!!! Maybe not. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Actually Acanthicus Hystrix [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37949	From: darlene	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Common Pleco !!!!

It is HUGE!!!!!!! Definitely won’t fit in my tank !!! LOL Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: 9 mars 2009 20:13 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Common Pleco !!!! Maybe not. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Actually Acanthicus Hystrix [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37950	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

I had been doing Pwc's for 3 weeks,every 3rd day, went from a cloudy to green. After reading Lenny's post I went to daily pwc's have a partial haze to the water now. Thanx for info on Prime, any suggestions on another product to remove the ammonia? or is prime a decent product to use? sorry I did not give parameters on the water tests. I really need to buy a good water test kit, was taking water samples to LFS .. I have found that locally there are many people having the same issues... http://bn.craigslist.org/pet/1059231271.html if it is ok to put links like this here... this is not my tank, had been talking to one of the lfs employees, and after he walked away another customer was telling me he was having very similar issues. being in the midwest, an agricultural area with our water supply coming from a manmade lake. with the rains and flooding we have had in the past month I would bet we are getting alot of nitrates/phosphates from runoff. getting thru it , fish seem to be fairing well. I will quit being cheap and but a test kit this weekend. lol

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37951	From: darlene	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Worked fine for me, i downloaded the xls version and had no trouble with it Thanks for sending the file it will be a great help in decided what fish I want when I finally get a huge tank J Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 8 mars 2009 23:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: marknelson@... Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme What was it doing? Which browser and version do you use? I just checked the link http://files.filefront.com/13416958 and it worked for me with IE7 but I did notice that after I clicked the "Download Now" button, I had to OK the download by clicking on the Security Bar pop-up that IE had to prevent downloads from the site.. or any other site unless you then click the Security Bar and temporarily allow downloads from the site. Filefront.com has actually made it much easier to download files from them. In the past, one had to click through several links to see ads before they could get the free file. Now, the link brings you right to the "Download Now" page, then when you click that button, the file downloads... except for when security protocols on one's computer blocks them. I will also attach a copy of the file to this email which is being sent as a CC to your individual email address since the group does not allow attachments. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mark Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme I can't seem to download this. Can someone email the Microsoft Office version to me? Thanks! - Mark Nelson marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416948) (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416958) (XLS file for MS Excel) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37952	From: Nedra	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Glass shrimp

Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37953	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

As far as your test kit, you can order one from Walmart.com, either the API or Tetratest-Laborette and they are both under $20.00 (around $17 and $15 respectively) with free shipping to your local WalMart. That seems to be the best deal out on the net right now from what I've seen. See my blog for the pros/cons of each test kit. As long as the Craigslist link isn't to one of the "Erotic Services" providers, then there's no problem with posting it.... not that I've ever looked at that section while on Craigslist. LOL I swear... I heard about it on the news. $200.00 for a 55G complete set-up with stand, filtration, etc., is a pretty good price. Somebody needs to tell him to come join AquaticLife and we can help him get his tank running right. Here's what he says in his CL post... "Here's the deal - I've had this fish aquarium for about 8 months setup with about 10 African Chiclids and one Pleko. I have never been able to get my water crystal clear for longer than 2 days and trust me...I've read everything and tried everything. I've spent well over $1000 on everything - decorations, different filters, products, etc. I'm done. I just don't want to mess with any of it anymore. So - if you want it - come and pick it up." Depending on the species, the tank could just be overstocked. He could be doing improper filter maintenance putting his tank into mini-cycles over and over. He mentions "products" so he could have been sold a litany of JUNK from the pet stores and all of that stuff is causing his problems. He sure has an eclectic mix of fake decorations/plants in that tank. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dewdude35 Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: algae bloom I had been doing Pwc's for 3 weeks,every 3rd day, went from a cloudy to green. After reading Lenny's post I went to daily pwc's have a partial haze to the water now. Thanx for info on Prime, any suggestions on another product to remove the ammonia? or is prime a decent product to use? sorry I did not give parameters on the water tests. I really need to buy a good water test kit, was taking water samples to LFS .. I have found that locally there are many people having the same issues... http://bn.craigslist.org/pet/1059231271.html if it is ok to put links like this here... this is not my tank, had been talking to one of the lfs employees, and after he walked away another customer was telling me he was having very similar issues. being in the midwest, an agricultural area with our water supply coming from a manmade lake. with the rains and flooding we have had in the past month I would bet we are getting alot of nitrates/phosphates from runoff. getting thru it , fish seem to be fairing well. I will quit being cheap and but a test kit this weekend. lol

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37954	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37955	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte -- Condition Update

Just a quick update on Za's condition. He was taken out of Intensive Care and placed in a regular room Saturday. He was to have been released yesterday to go home, and I'm assuming he's home at this very minute. One recent test showed that his iron level was down, so they gave him a shot for that before he left. Otherwise, he's doing great. Both Rosario and Jeannie thank everyone for their prayers and cards. Jeannie mentioned for all to hold any phone calls until next week. Best, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Donna et al, As I mentioned, I would keep you posted; I just heard from a fellow MAKA member who's keeping in close contact with Rosario's wife Jeannie. He states that he spoke with Jeannie earlier this afternoon and the doctors advised her that all went well during Rosario's triple by-pass this morning. He's still out from the anesthesia and is in intensive care where he'll remain through tomorrow (Thursday). He is not to receive any calls during that time. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> wrote: > > > > On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > > > > > Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are > > an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like > > me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present > > condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is > > referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was > > having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn > > and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some > > of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more > > serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of > > these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart > > attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The > > rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for > > the course of action going forward from here, with either placements > > os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I > > saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting > > and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although > > that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" > > thing probably happened between then and now. > > > > The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of > > tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to > > maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 > > years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He > > has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. > > Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations > > in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come > > to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and > > is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number > > of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in > > aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us > > combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may > > ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to > > the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a > > great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like > > Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for > > his speedy recovery. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > > "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > > > > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > > > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > > > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the > > course > > > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > > > will be performed. > > > > > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > > > > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of > > the > > > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > > > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > > > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a > > breeder > > > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > > > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety > > of > > > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a > > speaker at > > > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > > > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > > > > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > > > little write up. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37956	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: algae bloom

You will have a difficult time keeping the fry and adults happy and in a crystal clear tank together - that's why I bought a grow out tank for the fry. And even then, due to the many feeding and rapid growth of the fry, the grow out tanks water will begin to turn green and it's time to pick up the pace of PWCs. The water will clear by itself when the plants and filters adjust to the load. It is fun to watch the fry grow and I sometimes keep a few in the main tank, since I eventually return the male to the lfs and keep only females. Barbara In a message dated 3/9/2009 11:02:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dewdude35@... writes: I had been doing Pwc's for 3 weeks,every 3rd day, went from a cloudy to green. After reading Lenny's post I went to daily pwc's have a partial haze to the water now. Thanx for info on Prime, any suggestions on another product to remove the ammonia? or is prime a decent product to use? sorry I did not give parameters on the water tests. I really need to buy a good water test kit, was taking water samples to LFS .. I have found that locally there are many people having the same issues... http://bn.craigslist.org/pet/1059231271.html if it is ok to put links like this here... this is not my tank, had been talking to one of the lfs employees, and after he walked away another customer was telling me he was having very similar issues. being in the midwest, an agricultural area with our water supply coming from a manmade lake. with the rains and flooding we have had in the past month I would bet we are getting alot of nitrates/phosphates from runoff. getting thru it , fish seem to be fairing well. I will quit being cheap and but a test kit this weekend. lol ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37957	From: alyssanaylor19	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: freeing up a tank

im planning on breeding bettas so i need to free up a tank so if anyone wants any free guppies and/or mollies they are free for collection i will not post as i think its rather cruel. im in nottinghamshire, uk. Also if anyone has any advice on breeding bettas it would be of great interest thanks. Alyssa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37958	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: betta in community tank

I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37959	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

A filter sponge over the intake might diffuse the current enough. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37960	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It tells me either the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only location. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37961	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Which version did you download... the MS-Excel or the Open Office version? I do not have Open Office on my computer any longer since I've installed MS-Office a couple of years ago, on all of them, so I can't open the .odt file but I just looked at my file that is on my computer and it's not marked as read only and it opened with no problems with MS-Excel. The Open Office version was also NOT checked for Read Only so I'm not sure how/why the uploads would have gotten marked that way. Something you might want to check though... right click on the file and choose properties. There may be an "unblock" button and there are also the Read Only box and Hidden box which should be un-checked. I often download files that have that feature in place to block the file from opening until you've had a chance to scan it with your antivirus, etc. The files were all clean when they left my computer and I've never seen any problems with Filefront in the past couple of years but I guess anything is possible so it's always a good idea to scan any file for malware before opening it. If God sent me a file, I'd scan it first... not that I don't trust God... but I hear Satan has some wicked hackers working for him. ;-) On a side note, while looking around in the Properties of the file, I checked the Summary tab and sure enough, the original author and website for the file were both mentioned so now I can give proper credit for the file. I need to go update my blog also. The author of the "Fish Compatibility Chart" known as fishchrt.xls is Gary L. Kenley and the file was first hosted at http://www.bestfish.com/blushts.html and that page still works and the fishchrt.xls file and other versions of the file are still available for download from that page. These other versions, including a plain text version are mentioned and linked in Part 2 of that article "Fish Selection And Care". The article has an original copyright date of 1978 but then has an updated date of 2005 but unfortunately does not mention fishless cycling in Part 1 where it talks about setting up a tank, waiting 24-48 hours and then adding fish.. ARGGGGGHHHHH!!!! I did re-download the ZIP file from the BestFish.com site and unzipped it and the only thing in the ZIP file was the fishchrt.xls file with a create date of February 1, 1997. I opened the .xls version but the file that I originally downloaded from klsnet.com seems to have been modified and upgraded from the original file on BestFish... mainly with the labels across the top of the spreadsheet showing what each column actually is without having to look down at the list of footnotes and there are gray separator rows between the "types" of fish in the file that I have available on my blog. Maybe \\Steve// or one of the other guru's out here can go through this chart and update it. (hint, hint) I might also contact the webmaster for BestFish.com and see if Gary Kenley is still around since the link on their page to him came up to a 404 error. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It tells me either the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only location. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37962	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: computer programme

I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It > tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only > location. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an > Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun > Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The > last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, > I > just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy > of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open > office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download > them here. > > http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) > > http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) > > The original site that I got these from was > http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site > and > is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any > of > the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of > these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not > remember the info. > > Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any > other > files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short > process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I > guess > Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep > things free. lol > > There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my > blog > article about compatibility. > > I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility > charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long > reply... > lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download > sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online > sources of compatibility charts > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html > but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only > guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very > important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might > be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two > fish > in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely > take > place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own > chances > of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same > things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. > ;-) > > I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health > and > Diseases, you'll find tons of info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of > the following. > Fish diseases. > Species > Species companions. > > Thanks > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37963	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Well, now it shows up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It tells me either the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only location. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37964	From: pam andress	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Rosario LaCorte -- Condition Update

I got this in a email from Ray Kingfish and thought I would pass it on. Pam Tuesday Morning, Rosario was to be release from the hospital on Monday but after a bit his heart was racing the doctors decided to keep him one more day, (I told Jeanie not to Flash Him) so the best thing to do would be to keep a closer eye on him for another day, which they did, I just off the phone with Jeanie at 9:45 am today and shes getting ready to go to the hospital to talk to the doctors and to hopefully bring Rosario home today. Jeanie has been taking care of the fishes he's so worried about them and she told him you can buy more fishes but you can't get another Rosario, I aggree, She also infomed him he's got a book to finish. keeping his spirits up.His Kids also visit every night. I shall keep everyone informed when I get the update later today Kingfish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: sevenspringss@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:57:40 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte -- Condition Update Just a quick update on Za's condition. He was taken out of Intensive Care and placed in a regular room Saturday. He was to have been released yesterday to go home, and I'm assuming he's home at this very minute. One recent test showed that his iron level was down, so they gave him a shot for that before he left. Otherwise, he's doing great. Both Rosario and Jeannie thank everyone for their prayers and cards. Jeannie mentioned for all to hold any phone calls until next week. Best, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Donna et al, As I mentioned, I would keep you posted; I just heard from a fellow MAKA member who's keeping in close contact with Rosario's wife Jeannie. He states that he spoke with Jeannie earlier this afternoon and the doctors advised her that all went well during Rosario's triple by-pass this morning. He's still out from the anesthesia and is in intensive care where he'll remain through tomorrow (Thursday). He is not to receive any calls during that time. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@> wrote: > > > > On another website I read he will have bypass surgery later this week. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > > > > > Speaking from experience with my mother, father and husband, if stents are > > an option they are usually inserted during the angiogram. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rosario LaCorte > > > > Hello \\Steve//, While I'm not sure just what specifics you'd like > > me to add to, I'll start with where you left off in "Sar's" present > > condition and how it came about. It seems as though this was what is > > referred to as a silent heart attack, in that he wasn't aware he was > > having an attack. He had what he thought was a bad case of heartburn > > and went to see his gastroenterologist. During the interview, some > > of the questions the doctor asked made him suspect something more > > serious and gave him some tests. The evidence of the results of > > these tests made the doctor believe Rosario recently had a heart > > attack and put him in the hospital where he failed an angiogram. The > > rest is what we all know so far, which is still undetermined as for > > the course of action going forward from here, with either placements > > os sent(s) or a by-pass. I'm not sure when this first happened; I > > saw Sar only Wednesday evening at our monthly Killiefish club meeting > > and he look seemingly tired to me then (more so than usual), although > > that was just my perception of him at that time and the "heartburn" > > thing probably happened between then and now. > > > > The last time I had visited Rosario's place he had cut his number of > > tanks in half, but 75 tanks is still a lot for a 79 year old guy to > > maintain, at least I believe he's 79 as I've come to believe he's 10 > > years my senior, which has been how I've kept count of his age. He > > has not only collected widely in South America, including with Dr. > > Herbert Axelrod early on, but has also collected in various locations > > in Africa, including in the shadows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He has come > > to know many of the world's leading aquarists and ichthyologists and > > is highly respected for his work in the hobby, even having a number > > of newly described species named after him. His knowledge in > > aquarium fish is such that he has forgotten more than most of us > > combined here on this group have learned about fish so far, or may > > ever know -- and he doesn't forget much. He has contributed much to > > the hobby. I first got to know him about 45 years ago, he's been a > > great inspiration to me in the hobby; I know that others here like > > Hank have been blessed to have known him longer. Let's all pray for > > his speedy recovery. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > > "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > I got this information from a trusted source on another list. > > > > > > For those of you who know or know of him, Rosario LaCorte suffered a > > > heart attack last week. He failed a stress test Friday, and had an > > > angiogram today. The results of the angiogram will determine the > > course > > > of action to be taken, either the placement of stent(s) or a by-pass > > > will be performed. > > > > > > I am sure that your wishes and prayer will be with him as are mine. > > > > > > Rosario, for those who may not know him, is one of the Legends of > > the > > > hobby. He has been around, like, forever. As of a few years ago (the > > > last I know), he was still maintaining over 150 tanks. I have heard, > > > though, he has cut back a bit from that. He is world renown as a > > breeder > > > of fish, and has many firsts under his belt. His memory is nearly > > > photographic when it comes to fish. He has collected a wide variety > > of > > > fish in South America on his many trips there, and has been a > > speaker at > > > many aquarium related events, though he has been staying relatively > > > close to home in New Jersey for the last few years. > > > > > > I am sure that Ray, and some others, can add more specifics to this > > > little write up. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37965	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I downloaded and opened it. Awesome graph! Thanks for sharing it. Any other similar fishy goodies out there? :) Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37966	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding one betta to my community tank. But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two filters and an air stone. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37967	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because he was weak? It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be in the same tank as the male. They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for the rest of the tank. I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to have something to do. On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37968	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't seem to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little guy. I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him with the betta I have now. Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding one > betta to my community tank. > > But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two > filters and an air stone. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... > <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they > are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and > the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now > consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) > keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I > guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last > night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37969	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

On my blog page called "Fish Compatibility Charts & Fish Profile Sources" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html, I have links to some other free downloads and website compatibility charts. Right under my links to the chart downloads, there is a paragraph that lists two free programs that can be downloaded called "Can I Keep It" and "More Can I Keep It" that supposedly lets you list the fish you have and then "ask" if you can add more fish or other fish. One day, I need to install these two programs on one of my computers and try them out. They did come highly recommended to me from another advanced aquarist in another forum and they seem to be just a simple database program, probably using parameters from the many fish charts and other compatibility databases out there. And then I have my blog called "FREE fish offers from around the web" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-fish-offers-from-around-web.html with more free stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme I downloaded and opened it. Awesome graph! Thanks for sharing it. Any other similar fishy goodies out there? :) Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37970	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

It's very, very unusual for a healthy fish to get stuck to a filter intake strainer. 99.9% of the time, it's going to be a sick or weak fish that gets into this predicament. I've had tanks with 10X filtration (meaning 10 times the volume of the tank in water flow) and have never had a healthy fish stuck to a filter intake strainer.. not even round-bodied goldfish. 10X filtration is LOT. Most recommended filter systems will only give 2-4X water circulation, per hour. Even awkward swimming fish like round-bodied goldfish have no problem getting out of the fast flowing waters when they want to be in a calm area of the tank. My past male bettas were much better swimmers than round-bodied goldfish and did not have problems with the water flow from the filter. What size tank (volume and dimensions) and what brand/model filter? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brooks Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37971	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I can't find what file he is talking about to try it out. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme Worked fine for me, i downloaded the xls version and had no trouble with it Thanks for sending the file it will be a great help in decided what fish I want when I finally get a huge tank J Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 8 mars 2009 23:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: marknelson@... Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme What was it doing? Which browser and version do you use? I just checked the link http://files.filefront.com/13416958 and it worked for me with IE7 but I did notice that after I clicked the "Download Now" button, I had to OK the download by clicking on the Security Bar pop-up that IE had to prevent downloads from the site.. or any other site unless you then click the Security Bar and temporarily allow downloads from the site. Filefront.com has actually made it much easier to download files from them. In the past, one had to click through several links to see ads before they could get the free file. Now, the link brings you right to the "Download Now" page, then when you click that button, the file downloads... except for when security protocols on one's computer blocks them. I will also attach a copy of the file to this email which is being sent as a CC to your individual email address since the group does not allow attachments. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mark Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme I can't seem to download this. Can someone email the Microsoft Office version to me? Thanks! - Mark Nelson marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416948) (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) _http://files.http://filehttp://files_ <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> <http://files.http:/filehttp:/files_> (http://files.filefront.com/13416958) (XLS file for MS Excel) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37972	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Hey, that's a pretty good chart. Only thing it doesn't tell you is which fish get along with which. I clicked the excel choice, clicked download, clicked to open it instead of save, and it opened just fine. Are you trying to open the excel file or the open office file? Do you have either Excel or Open Office? If you don't, and don't want to install open office, you should be able to find a viewer for Excel on the microsoft web site somewhere. What version of Windows are you using? Also, what version of Excel? Odds are this was created on an atleast since 2003 version. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It > tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only > location. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an > Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun > Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The > last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, > I > just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy > of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open > office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download > them here. > > http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) > > http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) > > The original site that I got these from was > http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site > and > is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any > of > the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of > these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not > remember the info. > > Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any > other > files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short > process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I > guess > Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep > things free. lol > > There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my > blog > article about compatibility. > > I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility > charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long > reply... > lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download > sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online > sources of compatibility charts > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html > but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only > guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very > important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might > be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two > fish > in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely > take > place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own > chances > of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same > things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. > ;-) > > I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health > and > Diseases, you'll find tons of info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of > the following. > Fish diseases. > Species > Species companions. > > Thanks > Garry ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37973	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37974	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

My betta loves the air stone and the small back filter (10g). He plays in the currents all the time. I just moved betta #2 into his own 10g and he is starting to enjoy his, too but isn't in it as much as the other one is. This one, strangely enough, loves to scoot his big butt into the small cave just above the gravel. He's a good 3.5" long and the hole is so small it is a tight squeeze for him yet he goes in every day. In/out, in/out... funny guy. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37975	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

In a 20 gallon tank, I have two 10-20 gallon Marineland filters going. And one of those 8 inches or whatever long airstones, all along the back. Now, the tetras never enjoyed a 10-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon, but in a 20 gallon two of them doesn't seem to bother them. What could I put in the tank for a betta to use for shelter? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have > my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't seem > to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you > get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build > bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little > guy. > I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than > the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built > any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him > with the betta I have now. > Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB > filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my > magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier > with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their > "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface > they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest > under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding one >> betta to my community tank. >> >> But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two >> filters and an air stone. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as >> they >> are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and >> female and >> the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now >> consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) >> keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I >> guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last >> night but he is very weak. >> >> Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my >> other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first >> picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37976	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Lenny, the x-ray or pristella tetra is missing from this chart - how would you classify it? Also the flame tetra. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an > Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun > Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The > last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, > I > just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy > of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open > office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download > them here. > > http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) > > http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37977	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

That's an idea I've never tried. Is that the intake or the outflow? It seems like if I slow down teh intake it won't filter properly? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > A filter sponge over the intake might diffuse the current enough. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:42 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they > are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female > and > the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now > consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) > keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I > guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last > night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37978	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

How large was the bowl? I don't think I've seen them come in larger than one gallon. I've thought about getting a bowl. I have one of those triangular gallon tanks, but it is longer than it is wide, and the fish would have only a little more swimming room than my housemate's in their 16 oz containers do. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because he was weak? It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be in the same tank as the male. They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for the rest of the tank. I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to have something to do. On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37979	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Well, you can sort the chart by columns to move all the "peaceful" fish together or by "temperature", etc., but if you read my blog, you'll see other online compatibility charts and databases but remember the disclaimer I have on my blog. NONE of these tools are 100% effective so additional research still needs to be done on individual species... which is why I also have links to good profile sites on the same blog. For example, a chart might say that two Oscars are compatible... but not in a 10G tank or even a 55G tank. You could try those two downloadable free programs from Neal Monk's site that I have listed on my blog. Possibly, those programs might take the charts up a notch. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme Hey, that's a pretty good chart. Only thing it doesn't tell you is which fish get along with which. I clicked the excel choice, clicked download, clicked to open it instead of save, and it opened just fine. Are you trying to open the excel file or the open office file? Do you have either Excel or Open Office? If you don't, and don't want to install open office, you should be able to find a viewer for Excel on the microsoft web site somewhere. What version of Windows are you using? Also, what version of Excel? Odds are this was created on an atleast since 2003 version. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It > tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only > location. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an > Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun > Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The > last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, > I > just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy > of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open > office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download > them here. > > http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) > > http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) > > The original site that I got these from was > http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site > and > is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any > of > the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of > these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not > remember the info. > > Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any > other > files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short > process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I > guess > Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep > things free. lol > > There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my > blog > article about compatibility. > > I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility > charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long > reply... > lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download > sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online > sources of compatibility charts > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html > but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only > guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very > important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might > be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two > fish > in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely > take > place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own > chances > of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same > things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. > ;-) > > I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health > and > Diseases, you'll find tons of info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of > the following. > Fish diseases. > Species > Species companions. > > Thanks > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37981	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

My betta use to love his little cave but would also lounge around on broad leafed plant leaves. Silk plants or live plants are best for bettas as plastic plants often have ragged edges that can cause fin damage. To disperse the outflow of an HOB filter, you can take some filter floss media or a sponge block and use a nylon tie to attach the media to the waterfall spout. The same amount of water will flow but it will be dispersed rather than flowing out in a stream. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank In a 20 gallon tank, I have two 10-20 gallon Marineland filters going. And one of those 8 inches or whatever long airstones, all along the back. Now, the tetras never enjoyed a 10-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon, but in a 20 gallon two of them doesn't seem to bother them. What could I put in the tank for a betta to use for shelter? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have > my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't seem > to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you > get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build > bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little > guy. > I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than > the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built > any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him > with the betta I have now. > Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB > filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my > magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier > with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their > "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface > they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest > under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding one >> betta to my community tank. >> >> But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two >> filters and an air stone. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as >> they >> are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and >> female and >> the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now >> consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) >> keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I >> guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last >> night but he is very weak. >> >> Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my >> other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first >> picked on them. (I figured it was the color.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I'd have to look at the Mongabay.com profiles.. which is my profile/care sheet site of first resort. The good thing about these Fish Charts in excel format is one could add as many fish as they wanted. Maybe somebody with some good website skills will upload the form to a webpage and make it a live document that they could be sorted by visitors, etc. At least this chart gives a good starting point for such a webpage. When I started my "How long should your fish live" article, several years ago, I started off using information from an article I found on About.com and have greatly expanded that original short list to where I now have several hundred species listed in my article. Every time I come across a new fish with a reasonably verified lifespan, I add it to the list. Visitors to my blog have also left comments with information about their fish and how long they've live. Of course, I try to double-source information before adding it to my blog but sometimes double-sourcing isn't available so you have to go with your gut in those cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny, the x-ray or pristella tetra is missing from this chart - how would you classify it? Also the flame tetra. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable > as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the > free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no > Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they > were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not > working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded > the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so > you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html Scroll down about 6" to the section for these two files. > > http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) > > http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37983	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

Oh, at the pet store you can get all kinds of containers. I had a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, just like the gold fish bowls you see all the time. Get Glass as the plastic scratches up when you dump out the gravel in the bottom. However, a rounded shaped, wider mouthed container will be easier to clean. Also if you get two you can have one ready to switch him to, and the clean the other anytime before the next switch. I just put him in the cup he came in while I took care of the bowl, and the returned him. I never actually disinfected mine. However reading what all Frank does to his normal tanks, I would think the PP bath soak every so often in the jar you are not using would be a good thing. Lots of people add things to the water, I never did, but I have only had one betta, and only had that about 7 months. I got a Picotope tank. It is really nice, draw back is no top cover, so water evaporates quickly leaving a hard water line on the glass. Also there is a chance that your little buddy might jump out, but I have had mine in an open topped container of some type for 7 months and he has never felt suicidal yet. A couple of silk plants, and a pot like decoration from the LFS, a bit of gravel and the thing looks classy! Far easier to care for in the tank, but it was no big deal when he was in the container either. On 3/10/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > How large was the bowl? I don't think I've seen them come in larger than > > one gallon. I've thought about getting a bowl. I have one of those > triangular gallon tanks, but it is longer than it is wide, and the fish > would have only a little more swimming room than my housemate's in their 16 > > oz containers do. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because he > was > weak? > > It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several females in > the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be in the same tank > as the male. > > They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I would > think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the flow of water > to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for the rest of the > tank. > > I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I use to > keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the water one > week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it was stressful to > the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it worked and he never got > sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just vacuum the gravel till I get > the water down to just before the filter intake has it's openings, about 2 > gallon. I add new water, and the fish never shows any signs of stress. But > to be honest, he blew more bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he > does > in the tank. I do not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. > Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over him, > and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to have > something to do. > > On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks <diana_brooks@...<diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> > wrote: > > > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and > can't > > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

The smallest non-filtered "bowl" that I would ever put a Betta in would be 1.5G and then I would have cycled gravel and live plants to at least have the bowl cycling and to make the ecology closer to their natural habitat. I would still do quart sized PWC's a couple of times a week (dipping out a quart of water and replacing it) and vacuum the gravel at least once a week. With a similar sized "tank" with filtration, you could probably just do weekly PWC's, gravel and filter maintenance. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank How large was the bowl? I don't think I've seen them come in larger than one gallon. I've thought about getting a bowl. I have one of those triangular gallon tanks, but it is longer than it is wide, and the fish would have only a little more swimming room than my housemate's in their 16 oz containers do. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because he was weak? It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be in the same tank as the male. They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for the rest of the tank. I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to have something to do. On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37985	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

The big pickle jars or pig feet jars from your local deli also would work for decent sized Betta homes... as long as you also have cycled gravel and live plants. I think they are bigger than a gallon, at least they look like they are... and the mouth is nearly as wide as the rest of the jar. The downside of using a goldfish type bowl is that it actually is detrimental to the ecology of the bowl as it limits the surface area of the bowl since the opening is so much smaller than the widest part of the bowl. Here's an article I just read on FishChannel.com (the website for the not-so-recommended Aquarium Fish magazine) but this article wasn't too bad (since it dissuaded goldfish keepers from using "goldfish bowls"), except for getting the potential size of goldfish wrong... WAY wrong... only 10" for comets and palm sized for orandas??? Comets grow MUCH larger than 10" and Bruce the Oranda is 18" long and the size of a Rugby football... yes, an exception to the rule but clearly shows they are bigger than palm-sized... unless you were Shaq! LOL http://www.fishchannel.com/fishkidz/beginner-fish/bowled-over.aspx Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank Oh, at the pet store you can get all kinds of containers. I had a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, just like the gold fish bowls you see all the time. Get Glass as the plastic scratches up when you dump out the gravel in the bottom. However, a rounded shaped, wider mouthed container will be easier to clean. Also if you get two you can have one ready to switch him to, and the clean the other anytime before the next switch. I just put him in the cup he came in while I took care of the bowl, and the returned him. I never actually disinfected mine. However reading what all Frank does to his normal tanks, I would think the PP bath soak every so often in the jar you are not using would be a good thing. Lots of people add things to the water, I never did, but I have only had one betta, and only had that about 7 months. I got a Picotope tank. It is really nice, draw back is no top cover, so water evaporates quickly leaving a hard water line on the glass. Also there is a chance that your little buddy might jump out, but I have had mine in an open topped container of some type for 7 months and he has never felt suicidal yet. A couple of silk plants, and a pot like decoration from the LFS, a bit of gravel and the thing looks classy! Far easier to care for in the tank, but it was no big deal when he was in the container either. On 3/10/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > How large was the bowl? I don't think I've seen them come in larger > than > > one gallon. I've thought about getting a bowl. I have one of those > triangular gallon tanks, but it is longer than it is wide, and the > fish would have only a little more swimming room than my housemate's > in their 16 > > oz containers do. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because > he was weak? > > It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several > females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be > in the same tank as the male. > > They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I > would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the > flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for > the rest of the tank. > > I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I > use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the > water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it > was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it > worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just > vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter > intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the > fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more > bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do > not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. > Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over > him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to > have something to do. > > On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks > <diana_brooks@...<diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> > wrote: > > > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long > > as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a > > male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of > > English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the > > "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the > > intake for the filter and > can't > > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed > > Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong > > in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward > > the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37986	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Is this a good deal?

Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37987	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Thanks, Lenny, I downloaded the Excel version. It's Excel 2000, but I can't see it giving me a read only error because of the version. Norton's not seeing a virus on it. I'll go to http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ and see if their free Housecall finds anything. I did check properties and had to unblock the file, but that didn't stop it from giving me the same error message. I have plywood to paint and then tubing to assemble, so I'll look into the links you gave me when I can. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme Which version did you download... the MS-Excel or the Open Office version? I do not have Open Office on my computer any longer since I've installed MS-Office a couple of years ago, on all of them, so I can't open the .odt file but I just looked at my file that is on my computer and it's not marked as read only and it opened with no problems with MS-Excel. The Open Office version was also NOT checked for Read Only so I'm not sure how/why the uploads would have gotten marked that way. Something you might want to check though... right click on the file and choose properties. There may be an "unblock" button and there are also the Read Only box and Hidden box which should be un-checked. I often download files that have that feature in place to block the file from opening until you've had a chance to scan it with your antivirus, etc. The files were all clean when they left my computer and I've never seen any problems with Filefront in the past couple of years but I guess anything is possible so it's always a good idea to scan any file for malware before opening it. If God sent me a file, I'd scan it first... not that I don't trust God... but I hear Satan has some wicked hackers working for him. ;-) On a side note, while looking around in the Properties of the file, I checked the Summary tab and sure enough, the original author and website for the file were both mentioned so now I can give proper credit for the file. I need to go update my blog also. The author of the "Fish Compatibility Chart" known as fishchrt.xls is Gary L. Kenley and the file was first hosted at http://www.bestfish.com/blushts.html and that page still works and the fishchrt.xls file and other versions of the file are still available for download from that page. These other versions, including a plain text version are mentioned and linked in Part 2 of that article "Fish Selection And Care". The article has an original copyright date of 1978 but then has an updated date of 2005 but unfortunately does not mention fishless cycling in Part 1 where it talks about setting up a tank, waiting 24-48 hours and then adding fish.. ARGGGGGHHHHH!!!! I did re-download the ZIP file from the BestFish.com site and unzipped it and the only thing in the ZIP file was the fishchrt.xls file with a create date of February 1, 1997. I opened the .xls version but the file that I originally downloaded from klsnet.com seems to have been modified and upgraded from the original file on BestFish... mainly with the labels across the top of the spreadsheet showing what each column actually is without having to look down at the list of footnotes and there are gray separator rows between the "types" of fish in the file that I have available on my blog. Maybe \\Steve// or one of the other guru's out here can go through this chart and update it. (hint, hint) I might also contact the webmaster for BestFish.com and see if Gary Kenley is still around since the link on their page to him came up to a 404 error. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It tells me either the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only location. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37988	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

BINGO!!! I deleted the one I downloaded, went to the website, and opened the file up from there, then saved it to my computer. Now it works fine! Thanks, Dora! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> > Hey, that's a pretty good chart. Only thing it doesn't tell you is which > fish get along with which. > > I clicked the excel choice, clicked download, clicked to open it instead > of > save, and it opened just fine. > > Are you trying to open the excel file or the open office file? > > Do you have either Excel or Open Office? > > If you don't, and don't want to install open office, you should be able to > find a viewer for Excel on the microsoft web site somewhere. > > What version of Windows are you using? > > Also, what version of Excel? Odds are this was created on an atleast > since > 2003 version. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > > I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > >> I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It >> tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only >> location. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> >> >> >> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as >> an >> Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun >> Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The >> last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, >> I >> just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a >> copy >> of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open >> office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download >> them here. >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) >> >> The original site that I got these from was >> http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site >> and >> is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any >> of >> the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of >> these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not >> remember the info. >> >> Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any >> other >> files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a >> short >> process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I >> guess >> Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep >> things free. lol >> >> There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my >> blog >> article about compatibility. >> >> I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility >> charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long >> reply... >> lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download >> sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online >> sources of compatibility charts >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html >> but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only >> guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very >> important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish >> might >> be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two >> fish >> in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely >> take >> place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own >> chances >> of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same >> things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. >> ;-) >> >> I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health >> and >> Diseases, you'll find tons of info. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37989	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

The ones you get at the grocery store are a gallon; I have one for a hospital tank. I'll check out the delis. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank The big pickle jars or pig feet jars from your local deli also would work for decent sized Betta homes... as long as you also have cycled gravel and live plants. I think they are bigger than a gallon, at least they look like they are... and the mouth is nearly as wide as the rest of the jar. The downside of using a goldfish type bowl is that it actually is detrimental to the ecology of the bowl as it limits the surface area of the bowl since the opening is so much smaller than the widest part of the bowl. Here's an article I just read on FishChannel.com (the website for the not-so-recommended Aquarium Fish magazine) but this article wasn't too bad (since it dissuaded goldfish keepers from using "goldfish bowls"), except for getting the potential size of goldfish wrong... WAY wrong... only 10" for comets and palm sized for orandas??? Comets grow MUCH larger than 10" and Bruce the Oranda is 18" long and the size of a Rugby football... yes, an exception to the rule but clearly shows they are bigger than palm-sized... unless you were Shaq! LOL http://www.fishchannel.com/fishkidz/beginner-fish/bowled-over.aspx Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank Oh, at the pet store you can get all kinds of containers. I had a 2.5 gallon fish bowl, just like the gold fish bowls you see all the time. Get Glass as the plastic scratches up when you dump out the gravel in the bottom. However, a rounded shaped, wider mouthed container will be easier to clean. Also if you get two you can have one ready to switch him to, and the clean the other anytime before the next switch. I just put him in the cup he came in while I took care of the bowl, and the returned him. I never actually disinfected mine. However reading what all Frank does to his normal tanks, I would think the PP bath soak every so often in the jar you are not using would be a good thing. Lots of people add things to the water, I never did, but I have only had one betta, and only had that about 7 months. I got a Picotope tank. It is really nice, draw back is no top cover, so water evaporates quickly leaving a hard water line on the glass. Also there is a chance that your little buddy might jump out, but I have had mine in an open topped container of some type for 7 months and he has never felt suicidal yet. A couple of silk plants, and a pot like decoration from the LFS, a bit of gravel and the thing looks classy! Far easier to care for in the tank, but it was no big deal when he was in the container either. On 3/10/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > How large was the bowl? I don't think I've seen them come in larger > than > > one gallon. I've thought about getting a bowl. I have one of those > triangular gallon tanks, but it is longer than it is wide, and the > fish would have only a little more swimming room than my housemate's > in their 16 > > oz containers do. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because > he was weak? > > It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several > females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be > in the same tank as the male. > > They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I > would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the > flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for > the rest of the tank. > > I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I > use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the > water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it > was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it > worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just > vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter > intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the > fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more > bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do > not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. > Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over > him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to > have something to do. > > On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks > <diana_brooks@...<diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> > wrote: > > > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long > > as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a > > male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of > > English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the > > "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the > > intake for the filter and > can't > > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed > > Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong > > in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward > > the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37990	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I think a 90 is a very nice size tank. With a stand and canopy? Sounds good! Bow front? They look nicer! If it fits your place, and the stand and canopy are not scratched up and looking bad. I'd say it is a pretty good deal. And I would dump the black gravel in the driveway. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this > ad: > > Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, > filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth > $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need > for first time set up. $400 or best offer. > > Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you > think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down > on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. > I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. > > Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and > all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of > decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what > type of filter/heater it has. > > Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone > but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37991	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

While I'm pretty sure my file is safe... at least it was safe when I uploaded it and Filefront has a history of being safe, YOU SHOULD NEVER OPEN A FILE from anywhere that you do not absolutely know to be safe. You should download the file first, then scan it with one or more antivirus/antimalware programs before opening the file. Depending on the AV/AM program, many will alert even if you try to download something but not all work the same way. There are macro's that can be written into many documents (Word, etc.) and in Excel charts, etc., that can contain malicious coding. There are even things that can be embedded into photos nowadays so nothing is safe anymore.... not even the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition Online... not that I've looked at any of them bikini clad babes. LOL As long as you have a reasonable amount of protective layers on your computer, 99.9% of the daily stuff we do is benign but all it takes is that one time to cause you many, many headaches. With computers, a pound of prevention is worth an ounce of cure. I know it's supposed to be the other way around but with all the security software and scans that I have to do to all of my computers every week, it feels like it's a pound of prevention instead of just an ounce. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme BINGO!!! I deleted the one I downloaded, went to the website, and opened the file up from there, then saved it to my computer. Now it works fine! Thanks, Dora! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> > Hey, that's a pretty good chart. Only thing it doesn't tell you is which > fish get along with which. > > I clicked the excel choice, clicked download, clicked to open it instead > of > save, and it opened just fine. > > Are you trying to open the excel file or the open office file? > > Do you have either Excel or Open Office? > > If you don't, and don't want to install open office, you should be able to > find a viewer for Excel on the microsoft web site somewhere. > > What version of Windows are you using? > > Also, what version of Excel? Odds are this was created on an atleast > since > 2003 version. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > > I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > >> I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It >> tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only >> location. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> >> >> >> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as >> an >> Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun >> Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The >> last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, >> I >> just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a >> copy >> of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open >> office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download >> them here. >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) >> >> The original site that I got these from was >> http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site >> and >> is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any >> of >> the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of >> these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not >> remember the info. >> >> Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any >> other >> files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a >> short >> process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I >> guess >> Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep >> things free. lol >> >> There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my >> blog >> article about compatibility. >> >> I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility >> charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long >> reply... >> lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download >> sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online >> sources of compatibility charts >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html >> but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only >> guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very >> important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish >> might >> be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two >> fish >> in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely >> take >> place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own >> chances >> of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same >> things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. >> ;-) >> >> I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health >> and >> Diseases, you'll find tons of info. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37992	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I buy used tanks all the time. I never pay more than $1/gal, but pay more when it has accessories like a stand, filter and lighted hood. I would tell them that $1/gal is the going rate and bargain up from there. Offhand I would offer them$175and see where you stand. I would not go above $250 tho. I am selling a 125 gal with wooden stand, lighted hoods and a fluidized bed filter for $225 on Craig's List right now. Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: ford@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:16:54 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37993	From: bill1433	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Sometime these folks "WILL" change their minds as to price, especially if your the only one asking!  Deal sounds good if they offer pictures check it out and make them an offer.  You may be surprised at their come back!  You will find BIG tanks at big savings.  Why? People selling them want that space back and many times will offer a good deal just to get the "big glass box" out of the house!   Bill --- On Tue, 3/10/09, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: From: J. Ford <ford@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:16 PM Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow com/members/ showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa com/people/ MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwood kennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37994	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I guess it would depend on the brand, model and age of the filter system, the lighting and bulbs, the quality of the tank and stand, etc. If it's a 90G tall tank with inadequate lighting and you have to spend several hundred dollars upgrading the lighting to be able to have live plants, then that would take away from the value. If it's all kind of new and quality brands and adequate sized equipment and lighting, then the price might be reasonable.... although I'd never offer to pay the asking price for most things being sold used. Remember, they expect the buyer to negotiate and start low so the seller starts high and then they meet somewhere in the middle. About the only time I do pay the price a seller might be asking is if their asking price is already ridiculously low where they might be a heavily motivated seller need some emergency cash. I don't want to rub salt in the wound in that case and I'd just pay the already very low price. When someone says "Firm" in their ad, I respect that and do not try to negotiate it down but just send them an email and tell them that if they don't get their price, please call or email me and we can talk about a price I can afford. When I tell them that, they'll often ask.. well how much are you willing to pay... ahhh.. the negotiations start now! ;-) The longer the item sits unsold the better price they are willing to give. Once again.. I don't try to negotiate down a ridiculously low price by a motivated seller. No need to kick someone when they're down. I've even paid a little more in some cases on used stuff if the person doesn't seem to need the money to buy crack or something like that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37995	From: Gail	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

The one for $225 sounds great. Filters are easy. Or if you are patient enough, you can find something at a yard sale this summer? I found my 55 gallon bowfront with stand and hood with a few decor items for only $75 It was a total steal :D -gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37996	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

My betta is in a 20 gallon tank with 4 platies, 2 otocinclus, and 2 banjo catfish (who hide 99% of the time lol ) He seems to be very happy where he is Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 10 mars 2009 14:27 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank Question is, is he weak because he was stuck, or was he stuck because he was weak? It is also my understanding that you can sometimes have several females in the same tank, but except for breeding they should not be in the same tank as the male. They do sell a sponge that replaces the screen end of the intake. I would think that would help keep him free. However slowing down the flow of water to appease the betta, may not be what you want to do for the rest of the tank. I now have mine in a 3 gallon tank of his own. It works out well. I use to keep him in a container with no filter. I would change half the water one week, and all the water the next. I always noticed that it was stressful to the little guy, mostly on the 100% day. However it worked and he never got sick from it. Now that I have the tank, I just vacuum the gravel till I get the water down to just before the filter intake has it's openings, about 2 gallon. I add new water, and the fish never shows any signs of stress. But to be honest, he blew more bubble nests in the bowl arrangement than he does in the tank. I do not think he likes the bit of water movement that well. Although he sometimes sits under the water return and lets it run over him, and sometimes just swims in place at the water intake. Perhaps to have something to do. On 3/10/09, Diana Brooks <diana_brooks@... <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net> > wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37997	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Where do you live? I would love to get a 125 gallon tank !!! I am up in Canada Darlene I am selling a 125 gal with wooden stand, lighted hoods and a fluidized bed filter for $225 on Craig's List right now. Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> From: ford@... <mailto:ford%40netonecom.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:16:54 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37998	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

And at moving times... if they can't take it with them... they become motivated sellers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? Sometime these folks "WILL" change their minds as to price, especially if your the only one asking!  Deal sounds good if they offer pictures check it out and make them an offer.  You may be surprised at their come back!  You will find BIG tanks at big savings.  Why? People selling them want that space back and many times will offer a good deal just to get the "big glass box" out of the house!   Bill --- On Tue, 3/10/09, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: From: J. Ford <ford@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Is this a good deal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:16 PM Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow com/members/ showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa com/people/ MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwood kennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 37999	From: darlene	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Even if it is read only you should still be able to view it . Want me to email you my file Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: 10 mars 2009 12:16 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It tells me either the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only location. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme Lenny et al, is there a computer database that is downloadable for any of the following. Fish diseases. Species Species companions. Thanks Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38000	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Remember that while filters are cheap and easy on smaller tanks, as you start getting into the BIG tanks, filter systems become much more costly... which is why it's important to know the brands and model numbers for stuff on BIG tanks. A Tetra/Whisper HOB costs a LOT less than an Eheim Canister system or even a Rena Filstar Canister system... and for a reason. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? The one for $225 sounds great. Filters are easy. Or if you are patient enough, you can find something at a yard sale this summer? I found my 55 gallon bowfront with stand and hood with a few decor items for only $75 It was a total steal :D -gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38001	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

Betta's are very interactive with their environments, mine checks out anything new I put into his tank and has to see what it is up close ;) He will swim into any crevice or hole large enough to stuff himself into, I have several small decorations in my 10 gallon tank that have holes in them. I have a pint canning jar on it's side as one hiding place, and then a decoration that's a sunken ship that he also loves to hide in. I have several silk/plastic plants right at the outtake of the filter to help slow down the water flow a bit, and it seems to help. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > In a 20 gallon tank, I have two 10-20 gallon Marineland filters going. > And > one of those 8 inches or whatever long airstones, all along the back. > Now, > the tetras never enjoyed a 10-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon, but in > a 20 > gallon two of them doesn't seem to bother them. > > What could I put in the tank for a betta to use for shelter? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > > > it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have > > my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't seem > > to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you > > get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build > > bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little > > guy. > > I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than > > the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built > > any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him > > with the betta I have now. > > Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB > > filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my > > magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier > > with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their > > "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface > > they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest > > under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding one > >> betta to my community tank. > >> > >> But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two > >> filters and an air stone. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... > <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net> > >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > >> > >> I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > >> they > >> are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > >> female and > >> the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she > is now > >> consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named > them) > >> keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I > >> guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd > last > >> night but he is very weak. > >> > >> Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong > in my > >> other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > >> picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > >> You. > >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > >> important to > >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > >> SUBJECT > >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I like black gravel myself, it helps show off the colors of your plants/fish better than lighter colored gravel. 400 is a little more than I would want to pay for that tank, but if it's a nice high quality stank and tank with everything with it, it's not an awful price either. It's hard for me to compare because I got a 125 gallon tank with metal stand, home made hood (out of wood) with lighting but I had to replace the bulbs, a sump for a salt water tank, an eheim powerfilter with the heater built in but the heater needs a part replaced for it to work, a bunch of live sand which if I didn't have freshwater tanks that would have been wonderful for a salt water tank... Lets see what else did I get? A 100 foot python with all the attachments, some various salt water products that I will probably never use, some algae scrapers and other various small items. Basically all I didn't get was fish (but i could have had some free hermit crabs and a goby, and another expensive saltwater fish that got missed when they were emptying out the tank the first time. I was shocked to see them all still alive after 3 weeks with no filter running and no water changes. Poor fish. Anyways, I got all of that for 250 dollars, it was a steal, that's for sure. She didn't want to move the tank and I don't blame her, that sucker is huge and very heavy. I saw a 90 gallon quoted for 500 shortly after that, was glad I got the 125 gallon when I had the chance. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found > this ad: > > Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ > heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter > pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically > everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. > > Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, > you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to > come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal > and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. > > Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods > and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 > firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. > Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. > > Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want > gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > <http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html> > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > <http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor> > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > <http://www.ironwoodkennel.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38003	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

If I get a betta, I'll have to get him a sunken ship. Sigh. It'll cost five times the price of a betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > Betta's are very interactive with their environments, mine checks out > anything new I put into his tank and has to see what it is up close ;) > He will swim into any crevice or hole large enough to stuff himself > into, I have several small decorations in my 10 gallon tank that have > holes in them. I have a pint canning jar on it's side as one hiding > place, and then a decoration that's a sunken ship that he also loves to > hide in. I have several silk/plastic plants right at the outtake of the > filter to help slow down the water flow a bit, and it seems to help. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> In a 20 gallon tank, I have two 10-20 gallon Marineland filters going. >> And >> one of those 8 inches or whatever long airstones, all along the back. >> Now, >> the tetras never enjoyed a 10-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon, but in >> a 20 >> gallon two of them doesn't seem to bother them. >> >> What could I put in the tank for a betta to use for shelter? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> > it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have >> > my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't >> > seem >> > to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you >> > get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build >> > bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little >> > guy. >> > I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than >> > the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built >> > any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him >> > with the betta I have now. >> > Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB >> > filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my >> > magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier >> > with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their >> > "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface >> > they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest >> > under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding >> >> one >> >> betta to my community tank. >> >> >> >> But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two >> >> filters and an air stone. >> >> >> >> Yours, >> >> Dora Smith >> >> Austin, TX >> >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net> >> >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> >> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM >> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> >> >> I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as >> >> they >> >> are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and >> >> female and >> >> the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she >> is now >> >> consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named >> them) >> >> keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't >> escape. I >> >> guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd >> last >> >> night but he is very weak. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong >> in my >> >> other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the >> >> first >> >> picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> >> You. >> >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> >> important to >> >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> >> SUBJECT >> >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> >> .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups >> Links >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >> Thank You. >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> > .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38004	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

Well the file had been through a couple virus scans on my computer before I opened the one online, so I wasn't taking a huge risk. Besides I know where you live, cyberly speaking. (Did I just invent a new word?) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> While I'm pretty sure my file is safe... at least it was safe when I uploaded it and Filefront has a history of being safe, YOU SHOULD NEVER OPEN A FILE from anywhere that you do not absolutely know to be safe. You should download the file first, then scan it with one or more antivirus/antimalware programs before opening the file. Depending on the AV/AM program, many will alert even if you try to download something but not all work the same way. There are macro's that can be written into many documents (Word, etc.) and in Excel charts, etc., that can contain malicious coding. There are even things that can be embedded into photos nowadays so nothing is safe anymore.... not even the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition Online... not that I've looked at any of them bikini clad babes. LOL As long as you have a reasonable amount of protective layers on your computer, 99.9% of the daily stuff we do is benign but all it takes is that one time to cause you many, many headaches. With computers, a pound of prevention is worth an ounce of cure. I know it's supposed to be the other way around but with all the security software and scans that I have to do to all of my computers every week, it feels like it's a pound of prevention instead of just an ounce. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On BINGO!!! I deleted the one I downloaded, went to the website, and opened the file up from there, then saved it to my computer. Now it works fine! Thanks, Dora! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38005	From: pam andress	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38006	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Computer Program - Nifty Upgrade!

On the Excel version (I don't know if this will work on the other), click on the "2" at the beginning of the 2nd row. This should highlight the entire row. In the "Window" menu at the top, click on "Freeze Panes". You should now be able to scroll the desired species row up to the aspect listings. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as an Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, I just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a copy of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download them here. http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) The original site that I got these from was http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site and is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any of the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not remember the info. Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any other files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a short process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I guess Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep things free. lol There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my blog article about compatibility. I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long reply... lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online sources of compatibility charts http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish might be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two fish in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely take place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own chances of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. ;-) I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health and Diseases, you'll find tons of info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38008	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: freeing up a tank

u should keep the males and females separate for atleast a week before you put them together. the females should be feed at least 2 time a day and 25% water change every day for atleast a week.   You take any transparent plastic bottle and cut the base so that it will be open from both sides and place it in your breeding tank. Then when you see a small egg comming out of the female you can place her in the cut bottle and the male out side the bottle in the same tank such as both can see each other. When you see the male starts making the bubble nest you can just lift the bottle.  and the female and male are together in the tank and the rest will follow.   Vaibhav --- On Tue, 10/3/09, alyssanaylor19 <alyssanaylor19@...> wrote: From: alyssanaylor19 <alyssanaylor19@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] freeing up a tank To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009, 9:09 PM im planning on breeding bettas so i need to free up a tank so if anyone wants any free guppies and/or mollies they are free for collection i will not post as i think its rather cruel. im in nottinghamshire, uk. Also if anyone has any advice on breeding bettas it would be of great interest thanks. Alyssa Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38009	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington

Here's a story for you. Workers went to the airport to pick up some fish for the store, and came back with a box containing the body of a man. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa id-Human-Remains.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf Heck, the box was 8' long. I would have suspected something wrong right then and there, when I first saw the box. I don't know who this speaks worse of, the employees of the shop, or the airline. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38010	From: darlene	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

Just use a clay pot that’s what i did for mine, Lenny gave me the idea about using clay flower pots for hiding places Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 10 mars 2009 21:25 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank If I get a betta, I'll have to get him a sunken ship. Sigh. It'll cost five times the price of a betta. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank > Betta's are very interactive with their environments, mine checks out > anything new I put into his tank and has to see what it is up close ;) > He will swim into any crevice or hole large enough to stuff himself > into, I have several small decorations in my 10 gallon tank that have > holes in them. I have a pint canning jar on it's side as one hiding > place, and then a decoration that's a sunken ship that he also loves to > hide in. I have several silk/plastic plants right at the outtake of the > filter to help slow down the water flow a bit, and it seems to help. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> In a 20 gallon tank, I have two 10-20 gallon Marineland filters going. >> And >> one of those 8 inches or whatever long airstones, all along the back. >> Now, >> the tetras never enjoyed a 10-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon, but in >> a 20 >> gallon two of them doesn't seem to bother them. >> >> What could I put in the tank for a betta to use for shelter? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> > it all just depends on the betta and how fast the filter flows. I have >> > my betta in a 10 gallon tank with an african dwarf frog. He doesn't >> > seem >> > to enjoy the power of the HOB filter (it's from the 10 gallon kits you >> > get at walmart), but it's apparently not enough to make him not build >> > bubble nests as I get one every few days, so he must be a happy little >> > guy. >> > I kept a male betta in my community tank prior to this and other than >> > the fact that he got sick he seemed pretty active, but he never built >> > any bubble nests, he passed on several months ago and I replaced him >> > with the betta I have now. >> > Most of the time a healthy male betta can outswim the lower powered HOB >> > filters and such, and mine didn't seem to have too much trouble with my >> > magnum 350 when I had him in the 55 gallon tank. But they are happier >> > with less surface aggitation, as that is where they will spend their >> > "happy time" building bubble nests, or if they don't like the surface >> > they can sometimes use a leaf or other flat surface to build his nest >> > under. Mine always uses the top right corner of his tank for his nest. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> I'd like ot know how to stop that too. I've been thinknig of adding >> >> one >> >> betta to my community tank. >> >> >> >> But I have wondered if the betta would be happy there since I run two >> >> filters and an air stone. >> >> >> >> Yours, >> >> Dora Smith >> >> Austin, TX >> >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@... <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net> >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net> >> >> <mailto:diana_brooks%40comcast.net>> >> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:42 AM >> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] betta in community tank >> >> >> >> I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as >> >> they >> >> are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and >> >> female and >> >> the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she >> is now >> >> consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named >> them) >> >> keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't >> escape. I >> >> guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd >> last >> >> night but he is very weak. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong >> in my >> >> other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the >> >> first >> >> picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> >> You. >> >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> >> important to >> >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> >> SUBJECT >> >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> >> .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups >> Links >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >> Thank You. >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> > .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38011	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington

There's gotta be a good one-liner here... but I'm still on my first cup of coffee this morning. ;-) Oops.. this one just popped in my head... I think something fishy is going on here. ;-) Sorry.. best I could do on short notice. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington Here's a story for you. Workers went to the airport to pick up some fish for the store, and came back with a box containing the body of a man. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa id-Human-Remains.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf Heck, the box was 8' long. I would have suspected something wrong right then and there, when I first saw the box. I don't know who this speaks worse of, the employees of the shop, or the airline. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38012	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Someone explain what a deliverance shrimp is please, its not something I fear many of us UK / european folks understand. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38013	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Thanks. I know I can order them through the mail and was wondering what is the best way to do that. Now, Ihaven't actually checked yet to see if any of the local stores have shrimp. I want to avoid getting them shipped if I can. I wanted to know what's involved, as well as what's the best place to get them. By the way, not sure which shrimp I want. Cherry shrimp are more colorful, but glass shrimp clean up more? For a 20 gallon tank, how many shrimp should I get? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38014	From: jett07002	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

It's hard to say. Depends on where you live and what kind of quality you are getting. I live on the east coast, so that price sounds reasonable to me. However, you still have to be careful. Make sure everything is in order....not new, after all it is being sold by someone who already used it (LOL) but is in good shape. I tend to shy away from used stuff unless I am sure that whatever I am buying is usable. I found out the hard way that too many times you are buying someone's headache. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > Still shopping for that elusive 'big tank' of 55g or larger and found this ad: > > Beautiful 90 gallon aquarium with oak stand and canopy. Comes w/ heater, filter, underground filter system and black gravel. The filter pump is worth $150 alone. Everything is in great condition. Basically everything you need for first time set up. $400 or best offer. > > Is that a good deal or no? If no, what would be fair to offer them, you think? I really can't afford $400 for a tank so they would have to come down on that for me to buy but trying to know what's a good deal and what isn't. I'll have to look up dimensions on a 90g. > > Another guy wrote me with a 55g with wood stand, plastic lighted hoods and all sorts of paraphernalia to go with the thing and wants $225 firm. Lots of decor items which I could care less about personally. Waiting to hear what type of filter/heater it has. > > Would love opinions. Still hoping someone has a big un' they just want gone but that hasn't happened yet, darn it all. > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38015	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Plus the obvious fact that they work better, move more water, and have a much higher filter media capacity than do HOB's!  Ya get what you pay for.   Bill --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 8:02 PM Remember that while filters are cheap and easy on smaller tanks, as you start getting into the BIG tanks, filter systems become much more costly... which is why it's important to know the brands and model numbers for stuff on BIG tanks. A Tetra/Whisper HOB costs a LOT less than an Eheim Canister system or even a Rena Filstar Canister system... and for a reason. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:48 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? The one for $225 sounds great. Filters are easy. Or if you are patient enough, you can find something at a yard sale this summer? I found my 55 gallon bowfront with stand and hood with a few decor items for only $75 It was a total steal :D -gail SLC, Ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38016	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?

I have a setup 29 that WAS in excellent condition.  To speed cycle time to a newly setup 20-gallon long, I placed the entire HOB power filter from the 29 into it.  The 29 then got a brand new Aqua Clear 50.   I now have a very cloudy 29-gallon tank!  Did I go too far too fast and now this brand new filter needs time to recycle itself into the established 29?  I followed all rising instructions for the media and even took advantage of the carbon packet but I have cloudy water.  Another 2-week wait?  The 20-gallon long with the old filter?  Water crystal clear and fish are just fine.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38017	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverance In case you do not follow the link, it is a movie... On 3/11/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > Someone explain what a deliverance shrimp is please, its not something I > fear many of us UK / european folks understand. > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen > on > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the > best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati > on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > looking > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > shrimp > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to > see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38018	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

If it was an empty 20G tank, you could have hundreds. If the 20G tank is already full, then maybe not any. What else is in the 20G? Some fish find shrimp tasty so you can't just put them into any tank or they will just become expensive fish food. Cherry shrimp are good for well planted tanks with smaller fish that won't eat them. They are prolific algae eaters so they keep the plants clean and the tank. Ghost shrimp... I'm guessing that's what the "glass shrimp" are... scavenger and will eat up any missed food, etc.... but so will most cherry shrimp. These do not mean you don't have to vacuum your gravel to remove detritus, fish poop, etc., as these shrimp nor any other common FW aquarium critters will eat fish poop. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Thanks. I know I can order them through the mail and was wondering what is the best way to do that. Now, Ihaven't actually checked yet to see if any of the local stores have shrimp. I want to avoid getting them shipped if I can. I wanted to know what's involved, as well as what's the best place to get them. By the way, not sure which shrimp I want. Cherry shrimp are more colorful, but glass shrimp clean up more? For a 20 gallon tank, how many shrimp should I get? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38019	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

If it is possible, then you can turn the filter down a little bit, but if not then, you can cut a piece of foam (not sponge)and stuff it in the inlet tube of your filter. But, I question the health of your betta, because he should be strong enough to free himself from the filter unless it is powerhead or something like that. My last betta was in a community tank, and one day I wasn't paying attention while siphining the tank, and there he was battling against the in flow current of the siphon tube, so you may want to watch him closely to make sure he is ok. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38020	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?

Parameters? Are you feeding ammonia to the new tank to keep it cycled? When you moved the filter from the 29 to the 20, it likely put the 29 into a mini-cycle resulting in the bacterial bloom (presuming the cloud is white.. is it white or green?) And if you aren't feeding ammonia to the empty tank with the cycled filter, it will become uncycled quickly and you'll be back to square one with it also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:45 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? I have a setup 29 that WAS in excellent condition.  To speed cycle time to a newly setup 20-gallon long, I placed the entire HOB power filter from the 29 into it.  The 29 then got a brand new Aqua Clear 50.   I now have a very cloudy 29-gallon tank!  Did I go too far too fast and now this brand new filter needs time to recycle itself into the established 29?  I followed all rising instructions for the media and even took advantage of the carbon packet but I have cloudy water.  Another 2-week wait?  The 20-gallon long with the old filter?  Water crystal clear and fish are just fine.  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38021	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Yep... the reason I jokingly called them "Deliverance" shrimp is that if they are all from the same family and keep inbreeding... well, if you've never seen the movie, you might not understand. LOL It's a common joke about southerners in the USA. Jeff Foxworthy, the comedian famous for "You know you're a redneck..." jokes, puts it this way... "You know you're a redneck if you go to family reunions to pick up chicks!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverance In case you do not follow the link, it is a movie... On 3/11/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > Someone explain what a deliverance shrimp is please, its not > something I fear many of us UK / european folks understand. > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold > them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or > one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in > the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm > probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony > but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a > while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" > shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to > a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've > seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 > each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling > mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for > me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis > and not have to worry about shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would > be the best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do > most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. > EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily > visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but > the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp > planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling > and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every > square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with > a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a > daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of > the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, > but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research > a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mai > nFrame > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-inf > ormati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large > cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- > I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, > but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty > knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the > cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another > type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something > that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat > Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass > shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. > They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't > really seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm > interested to see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38022	From: bill1433	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?

Negative Len,   The 20 already has fish in it and all is well.  Water ;parameters remain constant and no ammonia spikes.  The same can be said for the 29 BUT we got cloudy water.  Fish are all fine in both tanks.   Bill --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:32 AM Parameters? Are you feeding ammonia to the new tank to keep it cycled? When you moved the filter from the 29 to the 20, it likely put the 29 into a mini-cycle resulting in the bacterial bloom (presuming the cloud is white.. is it white or green?) And if you aren't feeding ammonia to the empty tank with the cycled filter, it will become uncycled quickly and you'll be back to square one with it also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:45 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? I have a setup 29 that WAS in excellent condition.  To speed cycle time to a newly setup 20-gallon long, I placed the entire HOB power filter from the 29 into it.  The 29 then got a brand new Aqua Clear 50.   I now have a very cloudy 29-gallon tank!  Did I go too far too fast and now this brand new filter needs time to recycle itself into the established 29?  I followed all rising instructions for the media and even took advantage of the carbon packet but I have cloudy water.  Another 2-week wait?  The 20-gallon long with the old filter?  Water crystal clear and fish are just fine.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38023	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington

Definitely one of the stranger stories out there. Hmmm, one liners: Hey! You were supposed to pick up the FISH! Not fish FOOD! You found Jimmie Hoffa! After we get him in the oscar tank, can I have his shirt? -Steve _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington There's gotta be a good one-liner here... but I'm still on my first cup of coffee this morning. ;-) Oops.. this one just popped in my head... I think something fishy is going on here. ;-) Sorry.. best I could do on short notice. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:28 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington Here's a story for you. Workers went to the airport to pick up some fish for the store, and came back with a box containing the body of a man. http://www.nbcwashi <http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa> ngton.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa id-Human-Remains.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf> com/bs97cf Heck, the box was 8' long. I would have suspected something wrong right then and there, when I first saw the box. I don't know who this speaks worse of, the employees of the shop, or the airline. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38024	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?

OK. Since you moved the entire filter from the 29 to the 20, it sounds like your 29 is going through a mini-cycle. I would have only split up the media between the two filters instead of moving an entire filter.. unless both filters had been running for several weeks on a cycled tank first... but since the rest of the tank was cycled, you should only see mini-cycle but remember, the overwhelming majority of N-bacteria live in the filter media, not in the gravel (unless the filter system is a UGF) so by removing the entire filter, you removed the majority of the N-bacteria so what you are seeing is most likely a mini-cycle. Have you tested for nitrites also? There are also other bacterial blooms, besides nitrifying bacteria, that can happen in a new tank or in your case, a semi-new tank, since you moved the filter. If they are N-bacteria, at least they are consuming the ammonia/nitrites and will soon get sucked up into your filter and find a home in the filter media or other surface areas of the tank. Once again.. is the cloud white or green? I'm presuming white but I want to be sure. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? Negative Len,   The 20 already has fish in it and all is well.  Water ;parameters remain constant and no ammonia spikes.  The same can be said for the 29 BUT we got cloudy water.  Fish are all fine in both tanks.   Bill --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:32 AM Parameters? Are you feeding ammonia to the new tank to keep it cycled? When you moved the filter from the 29 to the 20, it likely put the 29 into a mini-cycle resulting in the bacterial bloom (presuming the cloud is white.. is it white or green?) And if you aren't feeding ammonia to the empty tank with the cycled filter, it will become uncycled quickly and you'll be back to square one with it also. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:45 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] New Tank Syndrome ------Again? I have a setup 29 that WAS in excellent condition.  To speed cycle time to a newly setup 20-gallon long, I placed the entire HOB power filter from the 29 into it.  The 29 then got a brand new Aqua Clear 50.   I now have a very cloudy 29-gallon tank!  Did I go too far too fast and now this brand new filter needs time to recycle itself into the established 29? I followed all rising instructions for the media and even took advantage of the carbon packet but I have cloudy water.  Another 2-week wait?  The 20-gallon long with the old filter?  Water crystal clear and fish are just fine.  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38025	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Fry tank

I am thinking of making a fry tank for my mollys, I want to know if I take a normal tank, silicone 2 pieces off glass about half the height along the longer edges and then place a perforated piece of perspex on top of this across the whole bottom of the tank so it has a false bottom on it the fry can get through but mum can't if this would be ok. Plants can be placed on the top level this way. and if perferations only cover half the false bottom maybe that would be ok ?, I could then put some gravel on the top too. Garry ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38026	From: William	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I was looking at Craig's list and came across a 75 and a 40 gallon breeder tank for free, the guy had just broken up from his girlfriend and he could not move it into where he had moved. That is a very good deal, They both had stands but I built a stand to hole both of them (space is at a premium in my house). --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Plus the obvious fact that they work better, move more water, and have a much higher filter media capacity than do HOB's!  Ya get what you pay for. >   > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > > > > Remember that while filters are cheap and easy on smaller tanks, as you > start getting into the BIG tanks, filter systems become much more costly... > which is why it's important to know the brands and model numbers for stuff > on BIG tanks. > > A Tetra/Whisper HOB costs a LOT less than an Eheim Canister system or even a > Rena Filstar Canister system... and for a reason. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Gail > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? > > The one for $225 sounds great. Filters are easy. > Or if you are patient enough, you can find something at a yard sale this > summer? > > I found my 55 gallon bowfront with stand and hood with a few decor items for > only $75 > > It was a total steal :D > > -gail > SLC, Ut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38027	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Tank Syndrome ------Again?

patience, is one of the most important things when dealing with fish, things are not going to go as fast as you want them too. Its all part of the learning experience. But yeah let it work itself out for a couple of weeks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > I have a setup 29 that WAS in excellent condition.  To speed cycle time to a > newly setup 20-gallon long, I placed the entire HOB power filter from the 29 into it.  The 29 then got a brand new Aqua Clear 50. >   > I now have a very cloudy 29-gallon tank!  Did I go too far too fast and now this brand new filter needs time to recycle itself into the established 29?  I followed all rising instructions for the media and even took advantage of the carbon packet but I have cloudy water.  Another 2-week wait?  The 20-gallon long with the old filter?  Water crystal clear and fish are just fine. >  Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38028	From: Tania	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: sick Gourami

Dear Lenny & Friends, Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that his condition does not improve. He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & doesn't seem to be improving. All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/dirty water as a result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. Cheers, Tania

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38029	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank

Would this not be difficult to clean? On 3/11/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > I am thinking of making a fry tank for my mollys, I want to know if I > take a > normal tank, silicone 2 pieces off glass about half the height along the > longer edges and then place a perforated piece of perspex on top of this > across the whole bottom of the tank so it has a false bottom on it the fry > can get through but mum can't if this would be ok. Plants can be placed on > the top level this way. and if perferations only cover half the false > bottom > maybe that would be ok ?, I could then put some gravel on the top too. > > Garry > > > __________________________________________________________ > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! > Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38030	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington

Did you see the video of the interview with the dead guy's wife? He was a practical joker and she just figured it was his last hurrah! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Here's a story for you. Workers went to the airport to pick up some fish for the store, and came back with a box containing the body of a man. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa id-Human-Remains.html TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf Heck, the box was 8' long. I would have suspected something wrong right then and there, when I first saw the box. I don't know who this speaks worse of, the employees of the shop, or the airline. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38031	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: betta in community tank

I once found one of my danios in the filter. The grill had come off the intake tube. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: betta in community tank If it is possible, then you can turn the filter down a little bit, but if not then, you can cut a piece of foam (not sponge)and stuff it in the inlet tube of your filter. But, I question the health of your betta, because he should be strong enough to free himself from the filter unless it is powerhead or something like that. My last betta was in a community tank, and one day I wasn't paying attention while siphining the tank, and there he was battling against the in flow current of the siphon tube, so you may want to watch him closely to make sure he is ok. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Brooks" <diana_brooks@...> wrote: > > I had heard that some people keep bettas in community tanks as long as > they are the only one of their gender and species. I bought a male and > female and the female is fine. However, in the style of English monarchs, > she is now consort to Edward the III because the "Edwards" (my daughter > named them) keep getting stuck against the intake for the filter and can't > escape. I guess it's the big surface area of the fins. I freed Edward the > 3rd last night but he is very weak. > > Any suggestions as to how to stop this? The current is less strong in my > other tank, but I have turquoise Gouramis in there and Edward the first > picked on them. (I figured it was the color.) > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38032	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Danios and tetras. And thinking about getting some corys or otos. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp If it was an empty 20G tank, you could have hundreds. If the 20G tank is already full, then maybe not any. What else is in the 20G? Some fish find shrimp tasty so you can't just put them into any tank or they will just become expensive fish food. Cherry shrimp are good for well planted tanks with smaller fish that won't eat them. They are prolific algae eaters so they keep the plants clean and the tank. Ghost shrimp... I'm guessing that's what the "glass shrimp" are... scavenger and will eat up any missed food, etc.... but so will most cherry shrimp. These do not mean you don't have to vacuum your gravel to remove detritus, fish poop, etc., as these shrimp nor any other common FW aquarium critters will eat fish poop. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Thanks. I know I can order them through the mail and was wondering what is the best way to do that. Now, Ihaven't actually checked yet to see if any of the local stores have shrimp. I want to avoid getting them shipped if I can. I wanted to know what's involved, as well as what's the best place to get them. By the way, not sure which shrimp I want. Cherry shrimp are more colorful, but glass shrimp clean up more? For a 20 gallon tank, how many shrimp should I get? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38033	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Got a reply back on the 55 g on the type of filter and heater, if this makes a difference. I asked but it may as well be Greek to me. Filter is a Whisper 3050 and the heater is a Visi-Therm 200w So, Grey, where in the world are you? I'd love that 125g. :) I'm in MI. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38034	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: computer programme

I think noone has not ever been caught handing off a virus. I once downloaded a WORD file from a university web site, picked up a virus, and infected someone else's computer in turn. Lenny, I would definitely judge your files to be as safe as anyone's. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] computer programme While I'm pretty sure my file is safe... at least it was safe when I uploaded it and Filefront has a history of being safe, YOU SHOULD NEVER OPEN A FILE from anywhere that you do not absolutely know to be safe. You should download the file first, then scan it with one or more antivirus/antimalware programs before opening the file. Depending on the AV/AM program, many will alert even if you try to download something but not all work the same way. There are macro's that can be written into many documents (Word, etc.) and in Excel charts, etc., that can contain malicious coding. There are even things that can be embedded into photos nowadays so nothing is safe anymore.... not even the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition Online... not that I've looked at any of them bikini clad babes. LOL As long as you have a reasonable amount of protective layers on your computer, 99.9% of the daily stuff we do is benign but all it takes is that one time to cause you many, many headaches. With computers, a pound of prevention is worth an ounce of cure. I know it's supposed to be the other way around but with all the security software and scans that I have to do to all of my computers every week, it feels like it's a pound of prevention instead of just an ounce. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] computer programme BINGO!!! I deleted the one I downloaded, went to the website, and opened the file up from there, then saved it to my computer. Now it works fine! Thanks, Dora! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> > Hey, that's a pretty good chart. Only thing it doesn't tell you is which > fish get along with which. > > I clicked the excel choice, clicked download, clicked to open it instead > of > save, and it opened just fine. > > Are you trying to open the excel file or the open office file? > > Do you have either Excel or Open Office? > > If you don't, and don't want to install open office, you should be able to > find a viewer for Excel on the microsoft web site somewhere. > > What version of Windows are you using? > > Also, what version of Excel? Odds are this was created on an atleast > since > 2003 version. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] computer programme > > > I sent this earlier, but it seems to have vanished into the ether: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> > >> I was able to download with no problem, but it won't open for me. It >> tells me the file is either read-only or is trying to access a read-only >> location. >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> >> >> >> There used to be a species compatibility chart that was downloadable as >> an >> Excel file or could also be opened with Open Office which is the free Sun >> Micro's open source version of Microsoft Office (except no Outlook). The >> last time I checked the sites for these downloads, they were down. Well, >> I >> just checked the links and they still are not working but I do have a >> copy >> of the downloaded file. I have uploaded the xls file and the ods (open >> office file) to my Filefront account so you (or anyone else) can download >> them here. >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416948 (ODS file for Sun's Open Office) >> >> http://files.filefront.com/13416958 (XLS file for MS Excel) >> >> The original site that I got these from was >> http://www.klsnet.com/files/Fishchrt.xls BUT it's not longer a good site >> and >> is up for sale and just hosting some junk links now.. so DON'T click any >> of >> the links on the page now. I wish I remembered the name of the author of >> these charts so I could give him/her proper credits but I simply do not >> remember the info. >> >> Filefront is free for hosting an unlimited number of HUGE files or any >> other >> files but folks wanting to download the file do have to go through a >> short >> process, but no registering or email required, to get to the file. I >> guess >> Filefront has to get you looking at a couple of ads, at least, to keep >> things free. lol >> >> There's also a couple of downloadable programs that are mentioned on my >> blog >> article about compatibility. >> >> I guess I also have to go and edit my blog article about compatibility >> charts and sites (actually, I did it while I was writing this long >> reply... >> lol) and add these links instead of the links to the original download >> sites... which reminds me... I do have a page with several other online >> sources of compatibility charts >> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html >> but read the warnings I have on my page also as these charts are only >> guidelines and they do not take into account tank size which is very >> important to make sure each fish has it's own space. While two fish >> might >> be compatible in an appropriate sized tank, if you stick those same two >> fish >> in an undersized tank, Darwinism (survival of the fittest) will likely >> take >> place where one fish will kill the other in order to better it's own >> chances >> of survival... and also remember that fish do not always read the same >> things we do so they may not know they are supposed to act a certain way. >> ;-) >> >> I do not have any disease charts but on my blog's page about Fish Health >> and >> Diseases, you'll find tons of info. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38035	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank

I think something that would be easier is to put larger rocks on the bottom so that there are larger gaps created between the rocks so the fry could drop down into the cracks and the other fish wouldn't be able to get to them... and of course, having lots of live plants that have bushy growths will provide lots of hiding places for fry. I guess your idea of a piece of plexiglass with slots or holes would be OK but I wouldn't put anything on top of it as you would need to lift it once the fry start to get large enough and you would also need to lift it for cleaning purposes. I've never had livebearers but if I were to, I'd either let nature take its course but at least have enough plants to give the fry a fighting chance or I'd have a few extra tanks for the fry as grow-out tanks. Here are some low-cost breeder boxes with slotted bottoms so the fry can drop down away from the mom while she's dropping and then you remove the mom to the other side after she's done so she can rest up and be separated from the fry and other fish in the tank. http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/204158/product.web http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/204191/product.web I realize you're in the UK but you all should have some place over there that sells similar products. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fry tank Would this not be difficult to clean? On 3/11/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > I am thinking of making a fry tank for my mollys, I want to know if > I take a normal tank, silicone 2 pieces off glass about half the > height along the longer edges and then place a perforated piece of > perspex on top of this across the whole bottom of the tank so it has a > false bottom on it the fry can get through but mum can't if this would > be ok. Plants can be placed on the top level this way. and if > perferations only cover half the false bottom maybe that would be ok > ?, I could then put some gravel on the top too. > > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38036	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

Look up the prices of these items and then figure no more than 50% for used stuff and then figure out the rest of it. If it's less than 50% of the original cost and it's only a couple of years old and in good condition, then it could be a good deal. I handle everything with AquaticLife via email and you didn't include any of the previous posts so I don't remember all that was included so I can't comment any further. Sorry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? Got a reply back on the 55 g on the type of filter and heater, if this makes a difference. I asked but it may as well be Greek to me. Filter is a Whisper 3050 and the heater is a Visi-Therm 200w So, Grey, where in the world are you? I'd love that 125g. :) I'm in MI. Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38037	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

What kind of danios and what kind of tetras? I think you only have Zebra Danio's but there are many others so please include a full common name or scientific name when providing fish species.... some species of danios get pretty big... same with tetras.. many grow to 3"+ and would be more prone to snacking on shrimp. http://fish.mongabay.com/characinae.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Danios and tetras. And thinking about getting some corys or otos. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp If it was an empty 20G tank, you could have hundreds. If the 20G tank is already full, then maybe not any. What else is in the 20G? Some fish find shrimp tasty so you can't just put them into any tank or they will just become expensive fish food. Cherry shrimp are good for well planted tanks with smaller fish that won't eat them. They are prolific algae eaters so they keep the plants clean and the tank. Ghost shrimp... I'm guessing that's what the "glass shrimp" are... scavenger and will eat up any missed food, etc.... but so will most cherry shrimp. These do not mean you don't have to vacuum your gravel to remove detritus, fish poop, etc., as these shrimp nor any other common FW aquarium critters will eat fish poop. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Thanks. I know I can order them through the mail and was wondering what is the best way to do that. Now, Ihaven't actually checked yet to see if any of the local stores have shrimp. I want to avoid getting them shipped if I can. I wanted to know what's involved, as well as what's the best place to get them. By the way, not sure which shrimp I want. Cherry shrimp are more colorful, but glass shrimp clean up more? For a 20 gallon tank, how many shrimp should I get? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38038	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank

I did toy with the idea of glass marbles in the bottom instead of gravel etc, but never having had any fry that lived, I wouldn't know what was best to protect them. As an aside, I just made the wife feel guilty, she cooked fish fingers for tea, I looked at her all serious, then the tank, and asked her how she felt if I had slung her brother on a bbq in front of her and said fill your face!.she stopped eating....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fry tank I think something that would be easier is to put larger rocks on the bottom so that there are larger gaps created between the rocks so the fry could drop down into the cracks and the other fish wouldn't be able to get to them... and of course, having lots of live plants that have bushy growths will provide lots of hiding places for fry. I guess your idea of a piece of plexiglass with slots or holes would be OK but I wouldn't put anything on top of it as you would need to lift it once the fry start to get large enough and you would also need to lift it for cleaning purposes. I've never had livebearers but if I were to, I'd either let nature take its course but at least have enough plants to give the fry a fighting chance or I'd have a few extra tanks for the fry as grow-out tanks. Here are some low-cost breeder boxes with slotted bottoms so the fry can drop down away from the mom while she's dropping and then you remove the mom to the other side after she's done so she can rest up and be separated from the fry and other fish in the tank. http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/204158/product.web http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/204191/product.web I realize you're in the UK but you all should have some place over there that sells similar products. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fry tank Would this not be difficult to clean? On 3/11/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > > I am thinking of making a fry tank for my mollys, I want to know if > I take a normal tank, silicone 2 pieces off glass about half the > height along the longer edges and then place a perforated piece of > perspex on top of this across the whole bottom of the tank so it has a > false bottom on it the fry can get through but mum can't if this would > be ok. Plants can be placed on the top level this way. and if > perferations only cover half the false bottom maybe that would be ok > ?, I could then put some gravel on the top too. > > Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38039	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol

Oh, Gary, that's just mean, lol. Check the contents of your fish food. You're doing exactly that every day! (So did YOU eat the fish sticks?) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did toy with the idea of glass marbles in the bottom instead of gravel etc, but never having had any fry that lived, I wouldn't know what was best to protect them. As an aside, I just made the wife feel guilty, she cooked fish fingers for tea, I looked at her all serious, then the tank, and asked her how she felt if I had slung her brother on a bbq in front of her and said fill your face!.she stopped eating.......

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38040	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Airline Delivers Dead Body to Pet Store | NBC Washington

Now that kind of stuff makes me wonder if the box was shipped wrong from the company (the wrong label on each box and they were swapped), so the person who was supposed to get the dead body probably got something that the pet store was supposed to get instead ;) I'd have to say that the employees didn't look that closely at the box when they picked it up, from the pictures it was labeled human remains and the wrong address on the box ;) Glad that wasn't shipped Fed ex ;) LOL Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > Here's a story for you. Workers went to the airport to pick up some fish > for the store, and came back with a box containing the body of a man. > > http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa > <http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Youd-Freak-Out-Too-if-the-Box-Sa> > id-Human-Remains.html > TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf <http://tinyurl.com/bs97cf> > > Heck, the box was 8' long. I would have suspected something wrong right > then and there, when I first saw the box. I don't know who this speaks > worse of, the employees of the shop, or the airline. > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38041	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Only zebra danios, no long fins. Flame, pristella and black phantom tetras. And a little silver tetra who thinks he's a danio. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp What kind of danios and what kind of tetras? I think you only have Zebra Danio's but there are many others so please include a full common name or scientific name when providing fish species.... some species of danios get pretty big... same with tetras.. many grow to 3"+ and would be more prone to snacking on shrimp. http://fish.mongabay.com/characinae.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Danios and tetras. And thinking about getting some corys or otos. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp If it was an empty 20G tank, you could have hundreds. If the 20G tank is already full, then maybe not any. What else is in the 20G? Some fish find shrimp tasty so you can't just put them into any tank or they will just become expensive fish food. Cherry shrimp are good for well planted tanks with smaller fish that won't eat them. They are prolific algae eaters so they keep the plants clean and the tank. Ghost shrimp... I'm guessing that's what the "glass shrimp" are... scavenger and will eat up any missed food, etc.... but so will most cherry shrimp. These do not mean you don't have to vacuum your gravel to remove detritus, fish poop, etc., as these shrimp nor any other common FW aquarium critters will eat fish poop. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Thanks. I know I can order them through the mail and was wondering what is the best way to do that. Now, Ihaven't actually checked yet to see if any of the local stores have shrimp. I want to avoid getting them shipped if I can. I wanted to know what's involved, as well as what's the best place to get them. By the way, not sure which shrimp I want. Cherry shrimp are more colorful, but glass shrimp clean up more? For a 20 gallon tank, how many shrimp should I get? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38042	From: gail	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami

I have seen similar problems where it has been their swim bladder, or even neurological. If it's neurological - there isn't anything you can do. I must applaud your tenacity in caring for your Gourami. I would have flushed it. :(   -gail SLC, Ut --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Tania <fitprota@...> wrote: From: Tania <fitprota@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:28 AM Dear Lenny & Friends, Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that his condition does not improve. He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & doesn't seem to be improving. All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/ dirty water as a result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. Cheers, Tania [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38043	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol

Me eat fish sticks !, nope, horrible junk, never know whats in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Menagerie_Manager To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fry tank - guilt trips lol Oh, Gary, that's just mean, lol. Check the contents of your fish food. You're doing exactly that every day! (So did YOU eat the fish sticks?) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did toy with the idea of glass marbles in the bottom instead of gravel etc, but never having had any fry that lived, I wouldn't know what was best to protect them. As an aside, I just made the wife feel guilty, she cooked fish fingers for tea, I looked at her all serious, then the tank, and asked her how she felt if I had slung her brother on a bbq in front of her and said fill your face!.she stopped eating....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38044	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal?

I am in the Great Smoky mountains just NW of Asheville NC Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: ford@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:19:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Is this a good deal? Got a reply back on the 55 g on the type of filter and heater, if this makes a difference. I asked but it may as well be Greek to me. Filter is a Whisper 3050 and the heater is a Visi-Therm 200w So, Grey, where in the world are you? I'd love that 125g. :) I'm in MI. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38045	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami

It could be excess air from over feeding flake food. It's just an idea, as I've lost a couple of fish that way in the past (mainly my betta and a tetra or 2), I'm not sure how to fix it, with my betta I tried the constipation methods with epsom salts, but it didn't help him and in the end he passed on anyways. Amber gail wrote: > > I have seen similar problems where it has been their swim bladder, or > even neurological. If it's neurological - there isn't anything you can > do. > I must applaud your tenacity in caring for your Gourami. > I would have flushed it. :( > > -gail > SLC, Ut > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Tania <fitprota@... > <mailto:fitprota%40aol.com>> wrote: > > From: Tania <fitprota@... <mailto:fitprota%40aol.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:28 AM > > Dear Lenny & Friends, > > Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that > his condition does not improve. > > He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but > no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the > surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on > Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & > doesn't seem to be improving. > > All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them > since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused > this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/ dirty water as a > result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When > I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now > everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. > > Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. > > Cheers, > Tania > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38046	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol

I had the same problem in my community 72, my Kribs picked out a good spot and when the babies moved to the plants, rocks, etc. the rest of the fish finished them off overnight. Next time I'll have more places for them to hide..... Jim In a message dated 3/11/2009 1:26:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, menagerie_manager@... writes: Oh, Gary, that's just mean, lol. Check the contents of your fish food. You're doing exactly that every day! (So did YOU eat the fish sticks?) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <_garrywilliams59@garrywillga_ (mailto:garrywilliams59@...) > I did toy with the idea of glass marbles in the bottom instead of gravel etc, but never having had any fry that lived, I wouldn't know what was best to protect them. As an aside, I just made the wife feel guilty, she cooked fish fingers for tea, I looked at her all serious, then the tank, and asked her how she felt if I had slung her brother on a bbq in front of her and said fill your face!.she stopped eating......f **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3 D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38047	From: gail	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Convict with a cyst; what to do?

Okay, I know I had asked about this before and I cannot find the post on the message board. :( Here's the thing, I have a Male Convict Cichlid, he has what looks like a cyst on his right fin. It looks pink and bumpy. It's the size of a small pea. He swims fine, it looks painful. And it doesn't seem to be contagious. The rest of my fish in that tank are healthy, and I keep it clean and the temp around 78 F. He had some babies for a while, and he was really defensive and controlling the tank. But I took out some of the fry and his girlfriend. Now he mopes and isn't as tough anymore.   Any suggestions? I know Lenny had mentioned dabbing it with peroxide (memory is foggy so I am unsure of what was all said to me; thus the repeat post)   I am worried about him, and I dont' know what to do. poor guy!   -Gail SLC, Ut   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38048	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convict with a cyst; what to do?

Gail, Below the -------- is your original post and my first reply back on 2/23/2009. You can look back at the group's messages page for this date range or do a search for the subject line to find any other replies. Normally, cysts or other growths in the tail do not hurt fish and are often benign but sometimes they can be caused by a parasite that actually builds a cyst around it. While this cyst is visible, there could be other internal cysts that are not. Check out the photos on this page http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee which is the TinyURL for the archived page for Pandora's Disease Page which has hundreds of photos of various fish diseases, etc. located in the Internet Wayback Archives at http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It's going to take up to a couple of minutes for the page to load depending on how backed up their servers are and your internet connection. If most of the pics do not load, click the refresh button on the page to try and get a better download of the page. You'll see a section on tumors and another section on unknown growths, cysts, etc. Read all the commentary and any links associated with the sections. Hope this helps. ---------- Reply sent: Mon 2/23/2009 6:39 PM I wouldn't medicate yet... and Melafix wouldn't be the med to use at this time anyhow. I'm not sure about Convict Cichlids but I know goldfish can/will get cysts in their tail fins that are caused by stress and related to KHV/CHV (Koi/Carp Herpes Virus)... much like a human might get a cold sore/fever blister from a similar virus. We barely have medications to treat viruses for humans so there's not much in the way of treatment for fish yet. If it is a stress related cyst, it will go away on it's own as the stress levels go down. If the cyst keeps growing and eventually pops where there is an open sore, there are topical treatments we use on goldfish, such as swabbing the injury with hydrogen peroxide or some use iodine and then treating the affected area with a topical antibiotic cream.. the same kind we use for our own minor injuries. If you don't feel up to that, then Melafix in the water column is OK and won't adversely affect the other fish or your good nitrifying bacteria. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cyst ~ possible symptom of illness? I just noticed that my Male Convict has a little pink/red cyst looking thing on one of his fins. I have observed all of my other fish in the tank, and I don't see any other cysts. But also keep in mind, my Convict just got a girlfriend and some fry; so he has been super Daddy fish and chasing all the other fish off. could this just be a battle wound? It is flesh colored with some red.   I am looking for any recommendations. I don't immediately think it's contagious. But I do carry Melafix. Would that be a good idea?   Any imput is appreciated. Thanks!! <3 Gail -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Convict with a cyst; what to do? Okay, I know I had asked about this before and I cannot find the post on the message board. :( Here's the thing, I have a Male Convict Cichlid, he has what looks like a cyst on his right fin. It looks pink and bumpy. It's the size of a small pea. He swims fine, it looks painful. And it doesn't seem to be contagious. The rest of my fish in that tank are healthy, and I keep it clean and the temp around 78 F. He had some babies for a while, and he was really defensive and controlling the tank. But I took out some of the fry and his girlfriend. Now he mopes and isn't as tough anymore.   Any suggestions? I know Lenny had mentioned dabbing it with peroxide (memory is foggy so I am unsure of what was all said to me; thus the repeat post)   I am worried about him, and I dont' know what to do. poor guy!   -Gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38049	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Fry tank - guilt trips lol

I think what DebR meant was that a big part of most fish foods is "Fish Meal", which is ground up fish so the fish are eating fish when you feed them fish food... it's perfectly normal for them to eat their own fry or the fry of other fish. If you do decide to BBQ her brother... I'll take a wing... oops.. meant an arm! ;-) I was going to say a leg but I was worried about what some of the smart aleck's besides me might come up with on that comment. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fry tank - guilt trips lol Me eat fish sticks !, nope, horrible junk, never know whats in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Menagerie_Manager To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fry tank - guilt trips lol Oh, Gary, that's just mean, lol. Check the contents of your fish food. You're doing exactly that every day! (So did YOU eat the fish sticks?) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did toy with the idea of glass marbles in the bottom instead of gravel etc, but never having had any fry that lived, I wouldn't know what was best to protect them. As an aside, I just made the wife feel guilty, she cooked fish fingers for tea, I looked at her all serious, then the tank, and asked her how she felt if I had slung her brother on a bbq in front of her and said fill your face!.she stopped eating.......

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38050	From: pam andress	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38051	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami

I've had Blue/Opaline Gouramis that were sickly when I got them due to being stunted for a couple of years in a 10G tank. There were always having health issues because of this early life stunting. They regularly had bloating issues, etc. but I never had one that reacted like yours. Mine got sick a lot right in the post-Katrina days down here so I didn't have access to any meds since none of the stores were open and we were even having trouble getting deliveries due to such a shortage of manpower/womanpower due to the lack of housing. Because of that, I only had Melafix and Pimafix and the fish cured up OK each time by treating them with the double-treatment of both of those meds which is supposed to make a pretty potent antibacterial treatment when combined. It worked each time the fish got any bloating. I'm not recommending this to you as Maracyn 1 & 2 are better meds than these two but just trying to encourage you that as long as he's alive and fighting, give him a chance. Keep the water quality up and look at feeding him some antibacterial foods. Which reminds me... is he eating right now? If so, try the Jungle Brand antibacterial food. It actually has some pretty good ingredients in it and it's a lot less expensive than Maracyn and will last much longer too. Make sure you soak any of his foods first, in some removed tank water so that it is less likely to have any air in the food that would contribute to GI issues. Also... what kind of foods are you feeding him.... Brands/Types? Sometimes, certain foods will cause bloating and/or constipation that leads to bloating. How about the fish poop? Have you seen it pooping or any of its poop around the tank? What does it look like? Here's a couple of sites on fish poop diagnosis in goldfish but I've found that most of these tips are applicable to other fish as well. http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/GoldfishPoop.html http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2364 http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/fish_diseases/fecal_disorders.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tania Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami Dear Lenny & Friends, Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that his condition does not improve. He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & doesn't seem to be improving. All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/dirty water as a result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. Cheers, Tania

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38052	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami

Gail, Never flush a fish... neither dead and especially not alive. Here's one of the more humane ways to euthanize and dispose of a fish. http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14 http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-most-humane-way-to-euthanize-a-fish.htm -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami I have seen similar problems where it has been their swim bladder, or even neurological. If it's neurological - there isn't anything you can do. I must applaud your tenacity in caring for your Gourami. I would have flushed it. :(   -gail SLC, Ut --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Tania <fitprota@...> wrote: From: Tania <fitprota@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:28 AM Dear Lenny & Friends, Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that his condition does not improve. He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & doesn't seem to be improving. All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/ dirty water as a result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. Cheers, Tania

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38054	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick Gourami

I use the clove oil in water (no need for the vodka to dissolve IME, and it’s doesn’t have to dissolve just stir a little) for 5 minutes to put the fish to sleep, and then freeze. The clove oil does not kill, the fish will revive if you add fresh water. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami Gail, Never flush a fish... neither dead and especially not alive. Here's one of the more humane ways to euthanize and dispose of a fish. http://www.aquatic- <http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14> hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14 http://www.wisegeek <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-most-humane-way-to-euthanize-a-fish.htm > .com/what-is-the-most-humane-way-to-euthanize-a-fish.htm -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:26 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami I have seen similar problems where it has been their swim bladder, or even neurological. If it's neurological - there isn't anything you can do. I must applaud your tenacity in caring for your Gourami. I would have flushed it. :( -gail SLC, Ut --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Tania <fitprota@aol. <mailto:fitprota%40aol.com> com> wrote: From: Tania <fitprota@aol. <mailto:fitprota%40aol.com> com> Subject: [AquaticLife] sick Gourami To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:28 AM Dear Lenny & Friends, Please, I need advice on my sick Gourami. It's been over 2 weeks that his condition does not improve. He is head down, vertical in a QT tank with pump. He is bloated, but no scales popping out. He cannot swim horizontally, he stays by the surface, with tail out of water since a few days ago. I have him on Maracyn and Maracyn 2. He's had 2 small partial water changes & doesn't seem to be improving. All my other fish are fine, I've done major water changes for them since this episode. No new fishes added recently that may have caused this. I believe the problem/cause was overfeeding/ dirty water as a result. My husband went on a fish feeding frenzy for a few weeks. When I caught on, I corrected the problem, husband and water, now everything is in check except that one sick Gourami. Please advise, Thanks so much in advance. Cheers, Tania [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38055	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Interesting Story

So, I was visiting a friend of mine, and he has a 55 gallon tank with two oscars in it. The tank is behind the couch so I'm sitting there watching TV, and I hear some splashing behind me, I turn around and look to see whats going on, the two oscars are hiding behind the big piece of driftwood in the tank, so I turn back to watch tv. A couple of minutes later I hear it again, I turn around the same thing. So I'm thinking to myself maybe I'm crazy. So I ask my friend what is that splashing noise, and he told me it was probrably his fish. He then told that he had to put a lid on the tank because the fish like to splash people with water. Now I've heard stories about how smart oscars are, but I'm nosy and I had to see for myself, so I opened the lid on the tank and turned to watch tv and the fish got me, he splashed me with water, and swam behind the wood like he didn't do nothing. I thought that and I wanted to share and I wanted to see if anyone else had any crazy or interesting stories that they wanted to tell.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38056	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: sick??

Hello everyone!! I'm new in this group but Im sure glad to be here!! So, here's the scoop: About 2 months ago; I rescued a 10 gallon fishtank. And I do said recue because the previous owner was tired of taking care of it and was "accidentally" killing the fishes. So, even though I had no idea how to take care of them or anything, I decided that it was better for me to buy it.$20 bucks later, I got 2 danios and 1 zebra. One of the danios died, so I got 2 angels and 2 tetras(my apologies if I do not spell the names correctly) I switched to a 5.6 gallon tank because the 10 one was in really, really bad shape. I had been feeding them with tubifex(they look like red worms, and they tend to be in a ball) because the angels like meat. Lately one of the tetras has been flaky, it seems that its kinda falling apart!! And I have not done anything different. When the danio died, it was totally bloated and flaky. Any ideas of what this is, what causes it, and if it can be cured?? Thank you so much!! Hope to hear from you soon!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38057	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Angel's get big for one thing and should be kept in much bigger tanks than a 5.6 gallon or 10 gallon tank, they need something closer to 50 gallons depending on how many you have. Also tetra's are schooling fish and like to be kept in groups, as well as danio's but some danio's get really big too so depending on your species of danio you might need a big tank for them too. How often are you doing water changes, and how much do you change when you do it? Do you vacuum clean the gravel when you do water changes as well? How long was this tank running and killing fish before you took it over and do you know if the previous owner had it cycled properly? If they were killing fish it sounds like they were replacing the cartridges in the filter and ending up with a mini-cycle each time they did so (by killing off their beneficial bacteria each time they trash the filter cartridge). Also how often do you clean the filter? We are also going to need your tank parameters, such as Ammonia levels, Nitrate levels, Nitrite levels and pH level for starters. The smaller the tank the harder it is to keep your fish healthy because it needs to be cleaned more often. Amber aranilucestellare wrote: > > Hello everyone!! I'm new in this group but Im sure glad to be here!! > So, here's the scoop: > > About 2 months ago; I rescued a 10 gallon fishtank. And I do said > recue because the previous owner was tired of taking care of it and > was "accidentally" killing the fishes. So, even though I had no idea > how to take care of them or anything, I decided that it was better for > me to buy it.$20 bucks later, I got 2 danios and 1 zebra. One of the > danios died, so I got 2 angels and 2 tetras(my apologies if I do not > spell the names correctly) > I switched to a 5.6 gallon tank because the 10 one was in really, > really bad shape. > I had been feeding them with tubifex(they look like red worms, and > they tend to be in a ball) because the angels like meat. > Lately one of the tetras has been flaky, it seems that its kinda > falling apart!! And I have not done anything different. When the danio > died, it was totally bloated and flaky. Any ideas of what this is, what > causes it, and if it can be cured?? > > Thank you so much!! Hope to hear from you soon!! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38058	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38059	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

I do not think she is nuts, she was referring to the deliverance movie reference and the inbreeding remarks that Lenny made. I know that she has been selling on aquabid for a while, and have not heard anything bad about what she sells. I understand that you like Lenny and thought he might be under attack, but you were wrong... On 3/12/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy > from > her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with > someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship > shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when > I'm reading this. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen > on > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the > best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati > on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > looking > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > shrimp > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to > see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38060	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Story

I hope you also told your friend that keeping even a single Oscar in a 55G tank is not nice. These fish, which grow to 14"+ need at least a 6' tank and 100G of water as a minimum. Two fish could probably do OK in 150G of water with proper tank maintenance. But that is a cute story.. and yes, Oscars are one of the fish (like Goldfish also) that are often compared to puppy dogs of the fish keeping hobby and are very smart fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Interesting Story So, I was visiting a friend of mine, and he has a 55 gallon tank with two oscars in it. The tank is behind the couch so I'm sitting there watching TV, and I hear some splashing behind me, I turn around and look to see whats going on, the two oscars are hiding behind the big piece of driftwood in the tank, so I turn back to watch tv. A couple of minutes later I hear it again, I turn around the same thing. So I'm thinking to myself maybe I'm crazy. So I ask my friend what is that splashing noise, and he told me it was probrably his fish. He then told that he had to put a lid on the tank because the fish like to splash people with water. Now I've heard stories about how smart oscars are, but I'm nosy and I had to see for myself, so I opened the lid on the tank and turned to watch tv and the fish got me, he splashed me with water, and swam behind the wood like he didn't do nothing. I thought that and I wanted to share and I wanted to see if anyone else had any crazy or interesting stories that they wanted to tell.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38061	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

HUH??? Dora, You should re-read Pam's message. She was joking around with me, calling me nuts since I was joking about having "Deliverance" shrimp from them possibly inbreeding too much... which I was just joking about also. She put an "lol" behind her comment to indicate she was joking. In either case, even if she wasn't joking, I'm still probably nuts... at least, that's what my friends say. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38062	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Hello, and welcome to the Group (I don't know whom I'm addressing as there's no signature, but I'd welcome you by name if I knew). Glad you found us, as hopefully this will make your life easier in keeping fish rather than often being told erroneous information -- or not being told anything you need to know, at all. I'm hoping I can assume you have a filter on this 5.6 gallon tank, possibly the one that was on the 10 gallon. To brush up on a few things before getting to your problems, when you first set this 5.6 gallon tank up, you preferably should have used a portion of water from the 10 gallon tank, and with it, a good amount of the old filter medium even if it needed cleaning. Cleaning in this case, would consist of rinsing the old filter medium out in a bucket of the 10 gallon tank's water (not under your tap). I don't know either, whether you established, or kept taps on the progress, of the new nitrogen cycle which by now should have been completed at least two weeks ago. You obviously could not do a fish-less cycle, as should be done, since you most likely needed to get these fish out of the poor conditions of the 10 gallon tank. Now as for you problems, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "flaky," but with your description of bloating, this appears to be an advanced case of the disease called "Dropsy," apparently what one of the Danio's already died of. When it's noticeably advance to the extent that the scales are standing out from the body (qand maybe this is what you mean by "flaky"?), there is seldom any hope for the fish.It's often caused by a pseudomonas bacteria which can flourish in poor water conditions. These same conditions would have stressed all of the fishes' immune system to the point they'd be more susceptible to disease (any disease). BTW, Zebra's are a species of Danio's. I don't know what other species of Danio's you have, but there are a number of different ones -- some remaining about the size of the Zebra Danio's and some (like the Giant Danio) getting much larger. You don't say how large your Angelfish are. Unless they're stunted from being in the 10 gallon tank (do you know how old the Angels are?), you may have a small amount of time before upgrading your tank size, but these fish grow to 5" in diameter and should have at least a 29 (tall) gallon tank for the two of them. If you haven't yet discarded this ten gallon tank, I'd suggest cleaning it up at least temporarily and putting the fish back in it, using the 5.6 gallon's water (and then adding whatever water is necessary) and the 5.6 gallon's filter. If the temn gallon tank's filter is other than what you have running on the 5.6 gallon tank, clean that up too and put the filter medium from the 5.6 gallon's filter into this filter -- until you can get a larger tank. Once this is done (if it's still possible to do), you can use this 5.6 gallon tank as a quarantine/hospital tank, which every hobbyist should have. If you feel the need to try to treat this Tetra despite its poor prognosis of success, you may try treating with either Seachem's Kanaplex, or Aquarium Pharmaceutical's Nalagram. On less advanced cases, you can try a bath of Epsom Salts at the rate of 12 Tbs per 5 gallons (repeat with 1/2 dose the 3rd day). As stated though, once this disease is seen to manifest itself as the "pine-cone" effect, it's generally too late to effect a cure as by that time too much liver damage has already occurred. In any case, you should suplly us with the test results of your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH, and any other tests you may have including your temporary hardness (KH) and general hardness (GH) -- at least the first three of which you should periodically test for anyway as part of your general maintenance. This will allow us to even better advise you in many circumstances as it shows us some of what's going on in your tank, and how much (if any) stress your fish might still be sustaining. A better (and safer) food for the Angelfish would be frozen (thawed of course) bloodworms, with Hikari's brand being the best quality by far. Tubifex worms sometimes carry diseases or at the very least may harbour bacteria. Any such richer foods should always be fed in moderation, with variety being the best guide. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aranilucestellare" <aranilucestellare@...> wrote: > > Hello everyone!! I'm new in this group but Im sure glad to be here!! > So, here's the scoop: > > About 2 months ago; I rescued a 10 gallon fishtank. And I do said rescue because the previous owner was tired of taking care of it and was "accidentally" killing the fishes. So, even though I had no idea how to take care of them or anything, I decided that it was better for me to buy it. $20 bucks later, I got 2 danios and 1 zebra. One of the danios died, so I got 2 angels and 2 tetras (my apologies if I do not spell the names correctly) > I switched to a 5.6 gallon tank because the 10 one was in really, really bad shape. > I had been feeding them with tubifex(they look like red worms, and they tend to be in a ball) because the angels like meat. > Lately one of the tetras has been flaky, it seems that its kinda falling apart!! And I have not done anything different. When the danio died, it was totally bloated and flaky. Any ideas of what this is, what > causes it, and if it can be cured?? > > Thank you so much!! Hope to hear from you soon!! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38063	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Oh. Honest, I thought I'd figured out that post right. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp HUH??? Dora, You should re-read Pam's message. She was joking around with me, calling me nuts since I was joking about having "Deliverance" shrimp from them possibly inbreeding too much... which I was just joking about also. She put an "lol" behind her comment to indicate she was joking. In either case, even if she wasn't joking, I'm still probably nuts... at least, that's what my friends say. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38064	From: Gail	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Convict with a cyst; what to do?

Okay, I will check the links. so far, I cannot find anything that looks like it. It's red and bumpy. And I think it's getting worse. I will keep searching and keep you posted. Thanks, Gail SLC, Ut

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38065	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Oh, I see. Now that I know that it's Lenny who is nuts and not Pam, what are the odds of getting viable shrimp through the mail? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I do not think she is nuts, she was referring to the deliverance movie reference and the inbreeding remarks that Lenny made. I know that she has been selling on aquabid for a while, and have not heard anything bad about what she sells. I understand that you like Lenny and thought he might be under attack, but you were wrong... On 3/12/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy > from > her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with > someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship > shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. > when > I'm reading this. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since > my > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen > on > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some > out > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be > the > best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do > most > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY > aquarium > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible > algae > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati > on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > looking > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know > anything > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > shrimp > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I > try > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to > see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38066	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: about snails

I just did my normal pwc and found out that my snail had a baby. not sure how long its been in the tank. least i wont have to buy a snail for my bigger tank when i get one. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Lots of things are happening here. As far as the worms, if they are freeze dried worms, you should soak them for a few minutes in a spoonful of tank water first so they rehydrate first before feeding them to the fish. Otherwise, when some fish eat freeze dried foods, the food can end up swelling up inside of the fish and cause gastrointestinal blockage, constipation, etc. Fish should also be fed a rounded diet. I usually have 3-4 different foods for each kind of fish (herbivore, carnivore, algae eater, etc.) that I mix up with each meal. Next problem is going to be the angelfish. Angelfish grow VERY LARGE and should be in at least a 30G+ tank for each fish although, with proper tank maintenance, a mated pair could do OK in a 30G+ tank. This Mongabay.com profile/care sheet gives info on a couple of different angelfish species with the P. scalare and variants of P. scalare being the most popularly available species. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm This means neither of your tanks are suitable homes for angelfish. I do have a lengthy article on recommended stocking suggestions for a 10G tank and you could halve some of these suggestions for a 5G. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking-list.h tml (if link breaks, go to my blog link in my sig and on the right side under Labels, you'll see the 10G stocking suggestions article near the top of that list) While on my blog, also go to the A to Z of Fish Keeping page and take one or both of the FREE online tutorials which will walk you through all of the basics of fish keeping. Also, while on my A to Z page, read my long article on Proper Filter Maintenance and Cleaning so you do not repeat these very common mistakes made by most newbies. Do you have a test kit to test your water or can your local pet store test your water? If you can give us the test result numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests they perform, this will be of great help. If you are willing to invest another $20.00 a year, you should really get your own master test kit. Walmart.com has either the API or Tetratest-laborette Master Test Kits for under $20.00 (actually only $17.xx or $15.xx) with free shipping to your local Walmart store. This is the best price that I've been able to find on these kits. I recommend the API kit first but either is a great thing to have. There's a lot more for you to learn but the above is a big start and you'll feel a lot more informed on how to properly take care of your pets so they do not get sick or die. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aranilucestellare Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] sick?? Hello everyone!! I'm new in this group but Im sure glad to be here!! So, here's the scoop: About 2 months ago; I rescued a 10 gallon fishtank. And I do said recue because the previous owner was tired of taking care of it and was "accidentally" killing the fishes. So, even though I had no idea how to take care of them or anything, I decided that it was better for me to buy it.$20 bucks later, I got 2 danios and 1 zebra. One of the danios died, so I got 2 angels and 2 tetras(my apologies if I do not spell the names correctly) I switched to a 5.6 gallon tank because the 10 one was in really, really bad shape. I had been feeding them with tubifex(they look like red worms, and they tend to be in a ball) because the angels like meat. Lately one of the tetras has been flaky, it seems that its kinda falling apart!! And I have not done anything different. When the danio died, it was totally bloated and flaky. Any ideas of what this is, what causes it, and if it can be cured?? Thank you so much!! Hope to hear from you soon!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38068	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

I would say that it's just as viable as fish, as lots of people ship shrimp on aquabid. I know that Pam throws in some extras too, just in case you lose any in shipping. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh, I see. Now that I know that it's Lenny who is nuts and not Pam, what > are the odds of getting viable shrimp through the mail? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@... <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:54 AM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I do not think she is nuts, she was referring to the deliverance movie > reference and the inbreeding remarks that Lenny made. I know that she has > been selling on aquabid for a while, and have not heard anything bad about > what she sells. I understand that you like Lenny and thought he might be > under attack, but you were wrong... > > On 3/12/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy > > from > > her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it > with > > someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship > > shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com><GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. > > when > > I'm reading this. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and > sold them > > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one > of the > > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK > since > > my > > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think > it's good > > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up > with a > > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > > about that!) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>(Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've > seen > > on > > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One > day, > > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way > since > > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some > > out > > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > > shipping, etc. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>(Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Dora Smith > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be > > the > > best way to obtain them? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com><GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do > > most > > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY > > aquarium > > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and > growing > > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible > > algae > > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then > stopping to > > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small > tid-bit > > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a > couple > > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > <http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html> > > > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > <http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm> > > > > > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame > <http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm%7EmainFrame> > > > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ <http://www.planetinverts.com/> > > > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > <http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/> > > > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > <http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm> > > > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > <http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html> > > > > > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati> > > on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > <http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html> > > > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > <http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19> > > > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>(Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Nedra > > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large > cichlids? I > > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > > looking > > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know > > anything > > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and > they had > > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > > shrimp > > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles > from > > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now > that > > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I > > try > > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > > seem to pay any attention to them. > > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm > interested to > > see if they hatch. > > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38069	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

I got my first and only batch of Cherry Shrimp through the mail a couple of years ago and have had many generations of offspring from that first batch. I guess by now, they're all first cousins of each other... thus the "Deliverance" joke earlier in the thread. I guess I could have referenced Jeff Foxworthy instead.... you know... the redneck joke guy like his classic... "You know you're a redneck when you go to family reunions to pick up chicks!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Oh, I see. Now that I know that it's Lenny who is nuts and not Pam, what are the odds of getting viable shrimp through the mail? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I do not think she is nuts, she was referring to the deliverance movie reference and the inbreeding remarks that Lenny made. I know that she has been selling on aquabid for a while, and have not heard anything bad about what she sells. I understand that you like Lenny and thought he might be under attack, but you were wrong... On 3/12/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy > from > her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with > someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship > shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. > when > I'm reading this. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since > my > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen > on > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some > out > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be > the > best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do > most > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY > aquarium > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible > algae > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html > > http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame > > http://www.planetinverts.com/ > > http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ > > http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati > on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html > > http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > looking > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know > anything > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > shrimp > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I > try > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to > see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38070	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

What kind of snail? Most snails have lots of babies. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails I just did my normal pwc and found out that my snail had a baby. not sure how long its been in the tank. least i wont have to buy a snail for my bigger tank when i get one.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38071	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about snails What kind of snail? Most snails have lots of babies. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails I just did my normal pwc and found out that my snail had a baby. not sure how long its been in the tank. least i wont have to buy a snail for my bigger tank when i get one. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT im portant to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38072	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

Two words: Gorilla Tape! It'll be ugly, but it should at least slow the crack's progression some, while you get the new tank. Duct tape adhesive seems to be weaker now-a-days. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and when they mate, the female will lay a large egg cluster right above the water line of the tank and if cared for properly can result in dozens of babies. The gestation period for the egg cluster is several weeks so unless you don't ever take the top off of your tank for weeks at a time, you should have noticed it... and it seems you would have had more than just one surviving offspring.... either more than one or none but it would be rare to only have one survivor if there were any. Some females can carry sperm from a previous mating so there's always the chance of buying a lone female and still getting a viable egg clutch. As far as your crack... sorry to hear that... cracks can be repaired and while not pretty, if you turn the broken side to the back or a less visible angle, you might be able to make do with what you have. I've even seen where someone just took a piece of glass or plexiglass and put a layer of aquarium 2-part epoxy on it and slapped that over the crack and it dried and sealed up the leak and bonded the break. Here's a couple of sites on repairing tanks. http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/ht/htrepairsmleaks.htm http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107 I'm sure there are many other sites with other tips/hints on making a low-cost repair. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about snails I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about snails What kind of snail? Most snails have lots of babies. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about snails I just did my normal pwc and found out that my snail had a baby. not sure how long its been in the tank. least i wont have to buy a snail for my bigger tank when i get one.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38074	From: Gail	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Interesting Story

I have guests at my house that get freaked out when they hear a sudden splash coming from my 55 bowfront. Typically it's my Pleco doing his usual quick surface, then back to the bottom. Or it's my Bala Sharks getting hyper about something. All fish have personalities! Silly! -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38075	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken

I called petsmart where I bought the tank from. and they had me bring in the old tank and everything that came with it and gave me a new one. I couldn't keep the old filter but have the gravel, plants? and heater from the old tank. So hopefully the fish will make it. Wish I could have let it cycle though first, but with 3 cats? it was safer all around to put them in the new tank right off. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38076	From: pam andress	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Glass shrimp

Shrimp are easy to ship. Put in a bag with something for them to hold onto. I use java moss. Double bag them, put them in a styro lined box with a heat pack and send priorty. I do it all the time. Haven't lost but 1 or 2 and I always send extras. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38077	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken

Awww.. I wish you could have convinced them to at least keep your old filter cartridge... but having the gravel will help to "cycle" the new tank and filter. Put a handful of gravel in a media bag or a piece of stocking and put that in the reservoir of your new filter to help keep the new tank cycled since the water going through the filter media (or after this, through the gravel) is the main thing that "cycles" a tank properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken I called petsmart where I bought the tank from. and they had me bring in the old tank and everything that came with it and gave me a new one. I couldn't keep the old filter but have the gravel, plants? and heater from the old tank. So hopefully the fish will make it. Wish I could have let it cycle though first, but with 3 cats? it was safer all around to put them in the new tank right off.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38078	From: darlene	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

I have never seen gorilla tape up here ……….. can you get it all over in the states ? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: 12 mars 2009 16:48 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) Two words: Gorilla Tape! It'll be ugly, but it should at least slow the crack's progression some, while you get the new tank. Duct tape adhesive seems to be weaker now-a-days. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38079	From: bill1433	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

or if your "mail box" in the front of your house says "male" on it and you think that should be capitalized!   Bill --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 3:26 PM I got my first and only batch of Cherry Shrimp through the mail a couple of years ago and have had many generations of offspring from that first batch. I guess by now, they're all first cousins of each other... thus the "Deliverance" joke earlier in the thread. I guess I could have referenced Jeff Foxworthy instead.... you know... the redneck joke guy like his classic... "You know you're a redneck when you go to family reunions to pick up chicks!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Oh, I see. Now that I know that it's Lenny who is nuts and not Pam, what are the odds of getting viable shrimp through the mail? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@gmail. com> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I do not think she is nuts, she was referring to the deliverance movie reference and the inbreeding remarks that Lenny made. I know that she has been selling on aquabid for a while, and have not heard anything bad about what she sells. I understand that you like Lenny and thought he might be under attack, but you were wrong... On 3/12/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy > from > her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with > someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship > shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. com<GoldLenny%40gmail. com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. > when > I'm reading this. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > From: GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them > to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the > others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few > months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since > my > original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good > to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a > tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke > about that!) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com <aquaticlife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > From: GoldLenny@gmail. com <GoldLenny%40gmail. com> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a > dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen > on > some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, > I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since > I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some > out > and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about > shipping, etc. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be > the > best way to obtain them? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <tiggernut24% 40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. com<GoldLenny%40gmail. com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do > most > shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY > aquarium > over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing > all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need > tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible > algae > but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to > clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also > supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit > of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp > congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's > gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. > > Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but > there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple > of years ago. These are in no particular order. > > http://www.petshrim p.com/shrimpspec ies.html > > http://www.fishpond info.com/ shrimp2.htm > > > http://www.shrimpcr absandcrayfish. co.uk/Shrimp. htm?ShrimpIndex. htm~mainFrame > > http://www.planetin verts.com/ > > http://caridina. japonica. online.fr/ English/ > > http://mikes- machine.mine. nu/breeding_ yamato.htm > > http://www.petshrim p.com/redcherrys hrimp.html > > > http://www.plantedt ank.net/forums/ shrimp-other- invertebrates/ 21031-informati > on-people-wanting- breed-cherry- shrimp.html > > http://www.petshrim p.com/articles/ redcherryshrimpm yth.html > > http://www.plantgee k.net/article_ viewer.php? id=19 > > There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Nedra > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <AquaticLife% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp > > Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I > just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been > looking > at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know > anything > about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had > several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano > shrimp > needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from > the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that > they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I > try > some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. > So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They > don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really > seem to pay any attention to them. > One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to > see if they hatch. > Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38080	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken

Using a handful of the old gravel to help jump-start the cycle is at least worth a try, when more assured higher populations of nitrifying bacteria as are colonized with one's filter medium are not available; it's probably the only surface left to put hope in. But, unless this is planned for ahead of time, and a portion of the surface gravel is first carefully scooped off and kept submersed in a container, any gravel that has been removed from an older tank into a bucket or some other container will now have most of the populated gravel at the bottom of the bucket where it has probably already died from lack of oxygen. Any gravel now scooped off of the top of a bucketful of used gravel will have been taken from the bottom-most layer of this substrate as it was employed in the old aquarium -- which contains no nitrifying bacteria -- unless you're lucky enough to have inadvertantly had some surface gravel still remaining at the top of the bucket as mixed with mostly the very bottom gravel; but that would be very little, if any. You'll need to keep a check on your water parameters as this new tank cycles, and be ready to do larger PWC's as they become necessary. Or, you could use a fast-cycle additive such as Dr Tim's One & Only to ensure the safety of these fish. Otherwise, if finding ammonia levels reaching too high as to mandate hugh water changes, you might sparingly use Jungle Lab's Ammonia-Clear Tank Buddies to bring the free-ammonia levels down -- it won't remove the ammonia as a food source of your nitrifying bacteria, but will convert it into relatively harmless ammonium (which the bacteria can still use). The idea is to not allow the ammonia (free-ammonia) to harm the fish; large water changes may still be needed, especially if your test readings for this parameter (which reads the combination - ammonia/ammonium as one result), get too high. While the fish will remain safe when ammonia is converted to ammonium, until your populations of nitrite-converting bacteria have a chance to multiply to adequate levels, they will be unindated by any large quantities of ammonia/ammonium and the resulting nitrite spike is not so easily handled. There will be a different story when your nitrite spikes. To help ensure that your nitrite spike is not toxic to your fish, you need to continue doing enough partial water changing to keep these levels down --but the initial PWCing regimen when first addressing your ammonia/ammonium levels will now dictate how high (i.e., how much your nitrite-converting bacteria have multiplied in the given time frame) your nitrite levels will reach. Average time frames for the ammonia spike is about 10 days after its initial start, with the nitrite spiking about 10 days after that. With prudent (yet not too excessive) PWCing, these higher levels can be kept somewhat reduced even though the time elements may be extended. You need to keep the level of nitrite down below toxic levels for the fish, yet by removing too much (via much larger PWC's) you will inhibit the growth of the bacteria that will ultimately convert it. There are no additives to convert nitrite into anything harmless, and please note there is a difference between "toxic" and "lethal," the former being reaching a dangerous unhealthy level. While most of us like to see their tanks cycling in as little time as possible, to get this issue behind them, a slighly extended cycling period is much safer for the fish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Awww.. I wish you could have convinced them to at least keep your old filter > cartridge... but having the gravel will help to "cycle" the new tank and > filter. Put a handful of gravel in a media bag or a piece of stocking and > put that in the reservoir of your new filter to help keep the new tank > cycled since the water going through the filter media (or after this, > through the gravel) is the main thing that "cycles" a tank properly. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken > > I called petsmart where I bought the tank from. and they had me bring in the > old tank and everything that came with it and gave me a new one. I couldn't > keep the old filter but have the gravel, plants? and heater from the old > tank. So hopefully the fish will make it. Wish I could have let it cycle > though first, but with 3 cats? it was safer all around to put them in the > new tank right off. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38081	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: new tank

Hi, everyone, I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon tank at work housing fancy guppies.  We are planning to set up a new 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along with a couple of cory cats.  From what I've been reading, none of these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank for a couple of weeks before adding fish.  Can I speed  the nitrogen cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows?  I love their looks but they seem kind of delicate. Karen Hawk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38082	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

You can get it pretty much anywhere in the States, now. Lenny's reply gave some more useful solutions to the crack problem, though. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> I have never seen gorilla tape up here ……….. can you get it all over in the states ? From: Menagerie_Manager Two words: Gorilla Tape! It'll be ugly, but it should at least slow the crack's progression some, while you get the new tank. Duct tape adhesive seems to be weaker now-a-days. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38083	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of starting a cycle in a newly set up tank. You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish though, as this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be enough for this 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until then, you may add clear ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed these bacteria until they reach sufficient populations to handle the organic waste products of these fish. You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the bacteria have reached a level at which they will take care of it all. Likewise, you will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your nitrate level after the first two have become established, but at least this populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: > > Hi, everyone, > I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon tank at work housing fancy guppies.  We are planning to set up a new 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along with a couple of cory cats.  From what I've been reading, none of these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank for a couple of weeks before adding fish.  Can I speed  the nitrogen cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? > Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows?  I love their looks but they seem kind of delicate. > > Karen Hawk > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38084	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

If you are impatient like most people are and don't want to wait for the cycle to finish by adding ammonia, you can always search online to Dr. Tim's One and Only, which should quickly cycle your tank so you can add fish right after adding the product. If you do order online make sure they can ship it to you without the product freezing in shipment, once the product freezes it no longer works properly. Dr Tim himself replaced a couple orders from people on this list this winter who got the product and it had frozen in shipment and was no longer useable. Good luck :) Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in > brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that > have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle > somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as > your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of > starting a cycle in a newly set up tank. You should still wait until > the tank is cycled before adding fish though, as this introduction of > nitrifying bacteria will still not be enough for this 20 gallon tank's > bioload you are planning on. Until then, you may add clear ammonia > (10% solution) to the tank to feed these bacteria until they reach > sufficient populations to handle the organic waste products of these > fish. You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, > which should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, > depending on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop > sizes they dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and > will have to add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the > bacteria have reached a level at which they will take care of it all. > Likewise, you will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your > nitrate level after the first two have become established, but at > least this populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, everyone, > > I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five > gallon tank at work housing fancy guppies. We are planning to set up > a new 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the > dwarf neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram > cichlids along with a couple of cory cats. From what I've been > reading, none of these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to > cycle the tank for a couple of weeks before adding fish. Can > I speed the nitrogen cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, > or do I really need to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put > in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? > > Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows? I love > their looks but they seem kind of delicate. > > > > Karen Hawk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

I think this thread has been resolved when the OP took the broken tank back and it was replaced by the store. But to answer your question. Gorilla is a brand name. They also make Gorilla ladders that compete with the Giant and Little Giant ladders, etc... although the best deal on this type of ladder is from Costco or one of their distributors. I got my Costco brand multi-function ladder at Pep Boys Auto Parts on sale and with a rebate for under $100.00.. compared to several hundred for the Giant brand. Gorilla tape is like duct tape (Duck Tape is a brand of duct tape). The adhesive on Gorilla brand duct tape is VERY sticky compared to other duct tapes. It might be OK as a temporary fix but either replacing the entire pane of glass or using a glass/plexiglass patch with a water-proof clear 2-part epoxy would be the minimum fix I would rely on as a "permanent" fix to the crack in the glass. The problem with using Gorilla tape as a temporary patch would then be trying to get the tape off without damaging even further, the already cracked glass.. and then the clean-up of the adhesive to make the glass clean enough for a permanent patch. Of course, if one was going to replace the entire pane of glass, then the Gorilla tape might be OK as a temporary patch until the tank can be cloned into another holding tank so the main tank can be repaired. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) I have never seen gorilla tape up here ..... can you get it all over in the states ? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: 12 mars 2009 16:48 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) Two words: Gorilla Tape! It'll be ugly, but it should at least slow the crack's progression some, while you get the new tank. Duct tape adhesive seems to be weaker now-a-days. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38086	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Hello everyone!! Thank you so much for all of your suggestions!! Ill make sure Ill follow them!! Now, what happened with the danio, I found a pic of the one I have:http://www.danios.info/fish/spKP01.aspx My dad believes that what happened with it was that it got poisoned with the 10 gall tank, because its lined with silicon and he explained me that it realeases toxic into the water. I came home, the tank was clean and that danio was the only one that was like that... I had to take him out into the nursing tank, and it did not make it trough the night :( Im not sure if it is exactly "Dropsy" does that includes the disability to swim right?? Like sideways not able to swim to the bottom?? I clean the tank every week, around 50 to 75% of the water, and I do vacuum the gravel when I do it. It has a cascade filter, and it gets clean every week as well. I also use a solution for the water, it saids that it helps with stress, and they are doing a whole lot better than before.The other tank used to have an undergravel filter, but the shape of the fishtank is different so it does not fit in the new one. I have not bought the necessary instruments to give you the water stats, Ill try to get it as soon as possible. I do have a termometer and a heater. Water is always around 20C-22C. Angels are around a year, and they are around 3" I believe.Regarding the tubifex, I did not know it was so dangerous!!, Im yet to find a different type of worm, have not found the frozen type yet :S. There still no Wal-Mart around here, they did bought the biggest supermarket line but still not the same... I shall try to go online for that wonderful suggestion though,;) Another thing is that, I read(Ive been reading non stop to get informed and not to make mistakes and to provide them with a better, healthier and happy life to the fishes) that danios liked plants, so I got them a couple so they could be more comfortable, but Im not sure regarding this... regarding the water, is it safe to have a snail would be a good idea?? Thank you for all the information provided!! I really do appreciate it!! Nathalie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38087	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

Agreed. The Gorilla tape would only be for if the tank was headed for the trash when replaced with a new tank, or at a minimum, if you planned on replacing the cracked panel. Adhesive left behind can be removed from glass by painting with rubber cement and then rolling it off after it dries. This technique would probably ruin the surface of acrylic/plexiglas. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) I think this thread has been resolved when the OP took the broken tank back and it was replaced by the store. But to answer your question. Gorilla is a brand name. They also make Gorilla ladders that compete with the Giant and Little Giant ladders, etc... although the best deal on this type of ladder is from Costco or one of their distributors. I got my Costco brand multi-function ladder at Pep Boys Auto Parts on sale and with a rebate for under $100.00.. compared to several hundred for the Giant brand. Gorilla tape is like duct tape (Duck Tape is a brand of duct tape). The adhesive on Gorilla brand duct tape is VERY sticky compared to other duct tapes. It might be OK as a temporary fix but either replacing the entire pane of glass or using a glass/plexiglass patch with a water-proof clear 2-part epoxy would be the minimum fix I would rely on as a "permanent" fix to the crack in the glass. The problem with using Gorilla tape as a temporary patch would then be trying to get the tape off without damaging even further, the already cracked glass.. and then the clean-up of the adhesive to make the glass clean enough for a permanent patch. Of course, if one was going to replace the entire pane of glass, then the Gorilla tape might be OK as a temporary patch until the tank can be cloned into another holding tank so the main tank can be repaired. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) I have never seen gorilla tape up here ..... can you get it all over in the states ? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: 12 mars 2009 16:48 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) Two words: Gorilla Tape! It'll be ugly, but it should at least slow the crack's progression some, while you get the new tank. Duct tape adhesive seems to be weaker now-a-days. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > I think its a mystery snail only saw one but now have kind of an emergency on hand. I came home from the store to find out that my tank had a huge crack in it. So now have to borrow money to get another tank. At least i have stuff from the cycled tank to use. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38088	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Hi Nathalie, To start with, silicone is part of the construction of all all-glass tanks; all such tanks have their seams lined with it. Unless these tanks are contaminated in some manner, they are perfectly safe for all fish and invertibrates when bought new from your LFS. Silicone can absorb toxic elements, like ammonia and non-diluted urine if used for a reptile or mammal tank before using it as an aquarium. These toxins continously leach out these same organic wastes seemingly indefinitely, or at least for a good length of time. If such toxins made your Danio sick, it would have affected them all -- and most likely would have killed them rather than making them ill. Even as you mentioned, I'm not sure if it's Dropsy either, but was just going by your description -- although it was somewhat vague; I didn't have much to go by. Yes, Dropsy does include the inability to swim right, and this action can be variable although I'm not sure if I'd include swimming sideways in this. These descriptions (of illnesses and their resultant effects on the fish) are best seen in person and are difficult to transmit to someone else in just a few words (I still don't know exactly what you by by "flaky"). Difficulty in swimming can also be caused by swim bladder problems, which in themselves can have many causes, although they usually don't result in such a fast death. One thing I find in your present post that is most detrimental in maintaining tropical fish is that you're keeping their water between 20 o C (68 o F) and 22 o C (71.6 o F). This (20 o C) is far too low for long term maintenance of most tropical fish, even though Danio's will tolerate it. However, this is at the very bottom of their comfort range and will certainly not thrive there. This stress may have contributed towards their illness. You should be keeping the temperature at, at least 23 o C or 24 o C. Good to see you're changing some water every week, but unless your tank is excessively crowded (and then, larger quarters should be obtained), 50% to 75% PWC's (partial water changes) is generally far in excess of what is necessary. Normally stocked tanks need no more than 255 to 33% PWC's. Your filter should not need cleaning every week, and when you do clean it, only aquarium water that you're removing should be used for cleaning it -- tap water should be avoided. While you may need a water conditioner, the ones containing additives such as "Stress-Coat", etc., should also be avoided. They only serve to promote additional mucous coating secretion by the fish -- which normally already have a sufficient amount of mucous coating as part of their life processes. Year old Angelfish should be full grown, or at least close to it, considering they reach maturity and will breed at 7 to 9 months. While they still may increase in size from the time they reach maturity, a 3" Angelfish should be no more than 5 months old. A larger tank may see them resume their growth, even though they may not reach full size, they are presently being stunted in the size tank you have them in. Please know, this info is not given in an effort to knock you, but to help you gain more knowledge about these fish. Frozen bloodworms (and do get the Hikari brand, as you may well be dissappointed with others -- that contain twigs, leaves and other extraeneous matter) should be fairly easy to find. If feeding these foods to the Angels only, you may use live blackworms which do not carry some of these potential hazards, but for much smaller fish you would have to chop them up and rinse them though a brine shrimp net. Tubifex may be made safe by allowing them to remain in a milk solution for a day or two in their refrigerator tray, which will ensure them a good cleaning out. A good rinsing and a return to clean water in their tray will then keep them in good shape. I don't know how you are presently keeping your tubifex worms, and keeping them in their own tray may be impractical on a small scale, but this is how they're best kept, except if you have a facility for continous flushing of them in cold water. Live aquatic plants are a great addition, and one that can be as rewarding to the hobbyist as their fish, when seeing them thrive and grow. They will help consume your excess nitrates and can add to the security of the fish. It's quite safe to have a snail, but be forewarned that even with only one snail, depending on the species this can be all that is needed for it to multiply. Some hobbyists enjoy them no matter what, and they can do a great clean-up job, but then they can multiply to overpopulation of them. While Ramshorn Snails do not eat most plants, Pond Snails will, so be careful what you buy. You may be better off with Trap-Door or Mystery Snails. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aranilucestellare" <aranilucestellare@...> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone!! Thank you so much for all of your suggestions!! Ill > make sure Ill follow them!! > > Now, what happened with the danio, I found a pic of the one I > have:http://www.danios.info/fish/spKP01.aspx > > My dad believes that what happened with it was that it got poisoned with > the 10 gall tank, because its lined with silicon and he explained me > that it realeases toxic into the water. I came home, the tank was clean > and that danio was the only one that was like that... I had to take him > out into the nursing tank, and it did not make it trough the night :( Im > not sure if it is exactly "Dropsy" does that includes the disability to > swim right?? Like sideways not able to swim to the bottom?? I clean > the tank every week, around 50 to 75% of the water, and I do vacuum the > gravel when I do it. It has a cascade filter, and it gets clean every > week as well. I also use a solution for the water, it saids that it > helps with stress, and they are doing a whole lot better than before.The > other tank used to have an undergravel filter, but the shape of the > fishtank is different so it does not fit in the new one. I have not > bought the necessary instruments to give you the water stats, Ill try to > get it as soon as possible. I do have a termometer and a heater. Water > is always around 20C-22C. Angels are around a year, and they are around > 3" I believe.Regarding the tubifex, I did not know it was so > dangerous!!, Im yet to find a different type of worm, have not found the > frozen type yet :S. There still no Wal-Mart around here, they did bought > the biggest supermarket line but still not the same... I shall try to go > online for that wonderful suggestion though,;) Another thing is that, I > read(Ive been reading non stop to get informed and not to make mistakes > and to provide them with a better, healthier and happy life to the > fishes) that danios liked plants, so I got them a couple so they could > be more comfortable, but Im not sure regarding this... regarding the > water, is it safe to have a snail would be a good idea?? > > Thank you for all the information provided!! I really do appreciate it!! > > Nathalie > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38089	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys or otys? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38090	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Oh, well... are yours cherrys or glass? I still havent called to see what's available around here. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Shrimp are easy to ship. Put in a bag with something for them to hold onto. I use java moss. Double bag them, put them in a styro lined box with a heat pack and send priorty. I do it all the time. Haven't lost but 1 or 2 and I always send extras. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38091	From: Dana Rasmussen	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

> The problem with using Gorilla tape as a temporary patch would then be > trying to get the tape off without damaging even further, the already > cracked glass.. and then the clean-up of the adhesive to make the glass > clean enough for a permanent patch. Of course, if one was going to replace > the entire pane of glass, then the Gorilla tape might be OK as a temporary > patch until the tank can be cloned into another holding tank so the main > tank can be repaired. I missed the original post about this, but I would suggest that any kind of patch risks catastrophic failure of the whole glass panel. I would think the only real safe way to deal with something like this would be to drain the tank as much as possible and reinforce the cracked side with something like plywood until it can be replaced. BTW if you are looking for the strongest tape, look for gaffer's tape, that's not a name brand it's generic. It's used in the motion picture industry, and photo industry to stick up, and stick together everything. It's very strong and leaves very little residue. ----- Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38092	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't have a well established tank with good algae growth. I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish like guppy's and platy's, etc. Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys or > otys? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38093	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken

I plan on doing pwc's twice a week for about a couple of months to hopefully prevent any problems. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 8:51 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken Using a handful of the old gravel to help jump-start the cycle is at least worth a try, when more assured higher populations of nitrifying bacteria as are colonized with one's filter medium are not available; it's probably the only surface left to put hope in. But, unless this is planned for ahead of time, and a portion of the surface gravel is first carefully scooped off and kept submersed in a container, any gravel that has been removed from an older tank into a bucket or some other container will now have most of the populated gravel at the bottom of the bucket where it has probably already died from lack of oxygen. Any gravel now scooped off of the top of a bucketful of used gravel will have been taken from the bottom-most layer of this substrate as it was employed in the old aquarium -- which contains no nitrifying bacteria -- unless you're lucky enough to have inadvertantly had some surface gravel still remaining at the top of the bucket as mixed with mostly the very bottom gravel; but that would be very little, if any. You'll need to keep a check on your water parameters as this new tank c ycles, and be ready to do larger PWC's as they become necessary. Or, you could use a fast-cycle additive such as Dr Tim's One & Only to ensure the safety of these fish. Otherwise, if finding ammonia levels reaching too high as to mandate hugh water changes, you might sparingly use Jungle Lab's Ammonia-Clear Tank Buddies to bring the free-ammonia levels down -- it won't remove the ammonia as a food source of your nitrifying bacteria, but will convert it into relatively harmless ammonium (which the bacteria can still use). The idea is to not allow the ammonia (free-ammonia) to harm the fish; large water changes may still be needed, especially if your test readings for this parameter (which reads the combination - ammonia/ammonium as one result), get too high. While the fish will remain safe when ammonia is converted to ammonium, until your populations of nitrite-converting bacteria have a chance to multiply to adequate levels, they will be unindated by any large quantities of ammonia/ammonium and the resulting nitrite spike is not so easily handled. There will be a different story when your nitrite spikes. To help ensure that your nitrite spike is not toxic to your fish, you need to continue doing enough partial water changing to keep these levels down --but the initial PWCing regimen when first addressing your ammonia/ammonium levels will now dictate how high (i.e., how much your nitrite-converting bacteria have multiplied in the given time frame) your nitr ite levels will reach. Average time frames for the ammonia spike is about 10 days after its initial start, with the nitrite spiking about 10 days after that. With prudent (yet not too excessive) PWCing, these higher levels can be kept somewhat reduced even though the time elements may be extended. You need to keep the level of nitrite down below toxic levels for the fish, yet by removing too much (via much larger PWC's) you will inhibit the growth of the bacteria that will ultimately convert it. There are no additives to convert nitrite into anything harmless, and please note there is a difference between "toxic" and "lethal," the former being reaching a dangerous unhealthy level.. While most of us like to see their tanks cycling in as little time as possible, to get this issue behind them, a slighly extended cycling period is much safer for the fish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Awww.. I wish you could have convinced them to at least keep your old filter > cartridge... but having the gravel will help to "cycle" the new tank and > filter. Put a handful of gravel in a media bag or a piece of stocking and > put that in the reservoir of your new filter to help keep the new tank > cycled since the water going through the filter media (or after this, > through the gravel) is the main thing that "cycles" a tank properly. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot ..com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Got me a replacement tank for the one that was broken > > I called petsmart where I bought the tank from. and they had me bring in the > old tank and everything that came with it and gave me a new one. I couldn't > keep the old filter but have the gravel, plants? and heater from the old > tank. So hopefully the fish will make it. Wish I could have let it cycle > though first, but with 3 cats? it was safer all around to put them in the > new tank right off. > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<A((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38094	From: pam andress	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

I have cherry shrimp. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:27:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Oh, well... are yours cherrys or glass? I still havent called to see what's available around here. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Shrimp are easy to ship. Put in a bag with something for them to hold onto. I use java moss. Double bag them, put them in a styro lined box with a heat pack and send priorty. I do it all the time. Haven't lost but 1 or 2 and I always send extras. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38095	From: Gail	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

I say Both!! I have two Otos > we call them "squiggys". We have two of them and they are fun to see sucking on the glass, with their little pot bellies. We also have two of the Emerald Corys, and they are cute too. They swim in the current, and one of them recently developed a pot belly (I found out this means it's a girl cory). So this is why we like both, and the nice thing about Otos is that they stay small. They work great if you have a small tank and you want algae removal - instead of getting a pleco who typically needs an XL tank. ;) Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38096	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

I don't think you have/had the Danio in the picture (since it says less than 10 samples of that fish were collected and only lived a short time) but you probably had a Zebra Danio and the one in the picture is still being checked out to see if it's a new species or a color variant of a normal Zebra Danio. Here is a good profile/care sheet for Zebra Danio's. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html Of course, a Zebra Danio that is stressed out could lose a lot of it's color and be more likely to resemble the picture that you found and since yours was sick, that is surely to affect it's stress level and coloration. In the future, DO NOT do LARGE PWC's (partial water changes). It's best to do 25% to 33% PWC's or less and if you have an overstocked tank or dirty tank, then just do them more frequently than weekly. The reason for this is that fresh clean water has a much different chemistry than tank water that is a week or more old. Changing too much water at one time can change the chemistry of the tank too much, too fast, and cause pH, temperature and/or osmoregulatory shock to the fish. I'm not saying this is what might be causing your problem... but it could be. If you want to change out 50 to 75% of the water each week, that's GREAT.. but do it by doing 25% PWC's every few days or every other day. That would be MUCH better for your fish. Usually, in a properly stocked tank, doing a single 25% PWC each week, along with gravel vacuuming and proper filter maintenance, will keep a tank in very good condition. Overstocked tanks or tanks that are overfed may require more frequent maintenance than weekly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aranilucestellare Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: sick?? Hello everyone!! Thank you so much for all of your suggestions!! Ill make sure Ill follow them!! Now, what happened with the danio, I found a pic of the one I have: http://www.danios.info/fish/spKP01.aspx My dad believes that what happened with it was that it got poisoned with the 10 gall tank, because its lined with silicon and he explained me that it realeases toxic into the water. I came home, the tank was clean and that danio was the only one that was like that... I had to take him out into the nursing tank, and it did not make it trough the night :( Im not sure if it is exactly "Dropsy" does that includes the disability to swim right?? Like sideways not able to swim to the bottom?? I clean the tank every week, around 50 to 75% of the water, and I do vacuum the gravel when I do it. It has a cascade filter, and it gets clean every week as well. I also use a solution for the water, it saids that it helps with stress, and they are doing a whole lot better than before.The other tank used to have an undergravel filter, but the shape of the fishtank is different so it does not fit in the new one. I have not bought the necessary instruments to give you the water stats, Ill try to get it as soon as possible. I do have a termometer and a heater. Water is always around 20C-22C. Angels are around a year, and they are around 3" I believe.Regarding the tubifex, I did not know it was so dangerous!!, Im yet to find a different type of worm, have not found the frozen type yet :S. There still no Wal-Mart around here, they did bought the biggest supermarket line but still not the same... I shall try to go online for that wonderful suggestion though,;) Another thing is that, I read(Ive been reading non stop to get informed and not to make mistakes and to provide them with a better, healthier and happy life to the fishes) that danios liked plants, so I got them a couple so they could be more comfortable, but Im not sure regarding this... regarding the water, is it safe to have a snail would be a good idea?? Thank you for all the information provided!! I really do appreciate it!! Nathalie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38097	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

What do you mean by everything? I don't there is any single fish that will do it all. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys or otys? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38098	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Cracked tank (was: about snails)

I think gaffers tape and duct tape are basically the same except duct tape is normally silver/gray colored. Gorilla brand is usually black colored although other colors may be available by any of these products. But you are right, the generic term probably is gaffers tape. That's what Geraldo was calling duct tape when commenting about the Casey Anthony story. Your description of what gaffers tape can do is exactly how I would describe what can be done with duct tape. There's very little that can't be fixed with duct tape. My first car was mostly repaired and held together with duct tape back in my poor high school and college days... and then there were the duct tape parties that we use to have on our barefoot sailing trips down in the Bahamas' where the only thing you could wear had to be fashioned out of duct tape... but I won't go into those good ol' stories. The only thing better than the duct tape parties were the sea-grape vine parties... ooops.. I said I wasn't going to get into them stories. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dana Rasmussen Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:48 PM To: Aquaria 2 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cracked tank (was: about snails) > The problem with using Gorilla tape as a temporary patch would then be > trying to get the tape off without damaging even further, the already > cracked glass.. and then the clean-up of the adhesive to make the > glass clean enough for a permanent patch. Of course, if one was going > to replace the entire pane of glass, then the Gorilla tape might be OK > as a temporary patch until the tank can be cloned into another holding > tank so the main tank can be repaired. I missed the original post about this, but I would suggest that any kind of patch risks catastrophic failure of the whole glass panel. I would think the only real safe way to deal with something like this would be to drain the tank as much as possible and reinforce the cracked side with something like plywood until it can be replaced. BTW if you are looking for the strongest tape, look for gaffer's tape, that's not a name brand it's generic. It's used in the motion picture industry, and photo industry to stick up, and stick together everything. It's very strong and leaves very little residue. ----- Dana Rasmussen Seattle

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38099	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

I thought I clarified; I'd be getting a corydory. Tehy're small. I thought it was the otys I'd heard were cute but not sure. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? I say Both!! I have two Otos > we call them "squiggys". We have two of them and they are fun to see sucking on the glass, with their little pot bellies. We also have two of the Emerald Corys, and they are cute too. They swim in the current, and one of them recently developed a pot belly (I found out this means it's a girl cory). So this is why we like both, and the nice thing about Otos is that they stay small. They work great if you have a small tank and you want algae removal - instead of getting a pleco who typically needs an XL tank. ;) Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

Algae, food and diatoms. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? What do you mean by everything? I don't there is any single fish that will do it all. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys or otys? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38101	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

I keep just under a teaspoon per gallon of salt; is that enough for otos? I hadn't seen that they need salt. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? > Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but > they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't have > a well established tank with good algae growth. > I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish > like guppy's and platy's, etc. > Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of > oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys or >> otys? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38102	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp

Looks like Aquatek has some. I'll get back to you tomorrow if they run out. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I have cherry shrimp. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:27:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Oh, well... are yours cherrys or glass? I still havent called to see what's available around here. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Shrimp are easy to ship. Put in a bag with something for them to hold onto. I use java moss. Double bag them, put them in a styro lined box with a heat pack and send priorty. I do it all the time. Haven't lost but 1 or 2 and I always send extras. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: tiggernut24@... Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well, I wonder if she must be nuts, which is why I probably won't buy from her. Not because she's nuts, but because I don't want to get into it with someone I know if the shrimp aren't viable. Either it's easier to ship shrimp than I think it is, or it's hard to get them to show up alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I think you are either 3rd or 4th... today.... and it's only 1:11 a.m. when I'm reading this. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny has anyone told you today that your nuts? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:13:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I'm glad you replied Pam. I knew there was someone that bred and sold them to individuals, I just couldn't recall if it was this group or one of the others I belong to. Heck, I might even buy some from you in the next few months just to add some new genetics to my colony. I'm probably OK since my original batch was from a mixed lineage colony but I still think it's good to throw in some new blood once in a while. I don't want to end up with a tank full of "Deliverance" shrimp. ;-) (I'm from the south.. I can joke about that!) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Well if Lenny won't sell you any, I will. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Aquabid.com always has several sellers selling them, usually close to a dollar each, sometimes a little less, but that's much less than I've seen on some retailer websites where they might run $2.00 to $4.00 each. One day, I'll become an Aquabid seller and maybe start selling mine that way since I'd get a lot more money but it's convenient for me to just siphon some out and bring them to my LFS on a regular basis and not have to worry about shipping, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Lenny, if my local fish sellers dno't have cherry shrimp, what would be the best way to obtain them? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp I keep and breed cherry shrimp. Yes, they prefer a planted tank, as do most shrimp, but they do not need an algae-encrusted tank either. EVERY aquarium over a few months old has some algae... either readily visible and growing all over everything or just a minor amount... but the shrimp do not need tons of algae to thrive. My cherry shrimp planted tank has no visible algae but the shrimp are always crawling and zipping around and then stopping to clean something off of every square inch of the tank. Of course, I also supplement their tank with a few spirulina algae flakes or a small tid-bit of an algae wafer on a daily basis and I do see the dozens of shrimp congregate in the are of the added food and they feed on that till it's gone, then go back to cleaning everything else. Here are some websites I have in my favorites folder, about shrimp, but there may be some newer pages up since I did a ton of my research a couple of years ago. These are in no particular order. http://www.petshrimp.com/shrimpspecies.html http://www.fishpondinfo.com/shrimp2.htm http://www.shrimpcrabsandcrayfish.co.uk/Shrimp.htm?ShrimpIndex.htm~mainFrame http://www.planetinverts.com/ http://caridina.japonica.online.fr/English/ http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/breeding_yamato.htm http://www.petshrimp.com/redcherryshrimp.html http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrimp-other-invertebrates/21031-informati on-people-wanting-breed-cherry-shrimp.html http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=19 There may be a pop-quiz tomorrow. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nedra Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glass shrimp Does anybody keep glass shrimp -- other than as food for large cichlids? I just bought six to try out in a fry tank as scavengers -- I had been looking at shrimp everytime I went into Aquarium Adventure, but don't know anything about them. The guy in the store seemed pretty knowledgeable, and they had several species of shrimp,but he said the cherry shrimp and the amano shrimp needed algae and their was another type that filtered tiny particles from the water. I wanted something that would clean up after 1/2" fry now that they are starting to eat Cyclopez and frozen daphnia. So he suggested I try some of the glass shrimp that they sell as fish food. So now I've got these glass shrimp and they are quite fascinating. They don't pay any attention to the Apistogramma fry and the fry don't really seem to pay any attention to them. One of them is carrying a bunch of eggs on her abdomen - I'm interested to see if they hatch. Would love to know more about shrimp - any of them actually. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38103	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: just curious about snails

I noticed that Speedy, my snail, has been going just above the water level. I know that mystery snails @ times go just above water line. Does that mean eggs are being laid? If so what would they look like? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38104	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails

Mystery Snails lay relatively large egg clusters, usually a hundred or more eggs, up to a couple of hundred eggs and the clusters can be as large as a teaspoon so they are easily visible. Of course, you do have to look for them as they could be up in the top corners where the side/top frame of the tank might hide it. Here's more info and how to care for the egg-cluster, should you get one that you want to keep. http://applesnail.net/content/care.php (scroll down about 2/3's to Reproduction and Eggs sections) You'll also see photos of egg clusters here. If you don't want dozens or hundreds of babies, then just take a spoon and remove the cluster to the trash. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails I noticed that Speedy, my snail, has been going just above the water level. I know that mystery snails @ times go just above water line. Does that mean eggs are being laid? If so what would they look like?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38105	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

The preceding reply said "would suggest Cory's UNLESS you keep some salt for the (livebearers)". Most FW catfish do not like salt in their water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? I keep just under a teaspoon per gallon of salt; is that enough for otos? I hadn't seen that they need salt. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? > Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but > they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't > have a well established tank with good algae growth. > I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish > like guppy's and platy's, etc. > Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of > oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys >> or otys? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38106	From: pam andress	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails

Here is a bad video I took of a snail laying a cluster: http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/pamandress/?action=view¤t=snails016.flv Here is a picture of a cluster: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/pamandress/snailclutch1.jpg Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: toddswoman496861@... Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:52:32 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails I noticed that Speedy, my snail, has been going just above the water level. I know that mystery snails @ times go just above water line. Does that mean eggs are being laid? If so what would they look like? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38107	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

My corduroys used to eat everything, made me itch a lot though!!! ahh the 70/80's bless em. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:13 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? The preceding reply said "would suggest Cory's UNLESS you keep some salt for the (livebearers)". Most FW catfish do not like salt in their water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? I keep just under a teaspoon per gallon of salt; is that enough for otos? I hadn't seen that they need salt. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? > Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but > they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't > have a well established tank with good algae growth. > I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish > like guppy's and platy's, etc. > Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of > oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys >> or otys? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38108	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails

Mmmmm.. Escargotaviar. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:17 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails Here is a picture of a cluster: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/pamandress/snailclutch1.jpg Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: toddswoman496861@... Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:52:32 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails I noticed that Speedy, my snail, has been going just above the water level. I know that mystery snails @ times go just above water line. Does that mean eggs are being laid? If so what would they look like?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38109	From: Debra	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: just curious about snails

P.S. To Lenny's post - depending on the type of tank and light set up you have make sure you look for eggs in your light housing. I have had industrious apple snails lay clusters next to the flourescent lights. Deb OS/MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:10:22 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails Mystery Snails lay relatively large egg clusters, usually a hundred or more eggs, up to a couple of hundred eggs and the clusters can be as large as a teaspoon so they are easily visible. Of course, you do have to look for them as they could be up in the top corners where the side/top frame of the tank might hide it. Here's more info and how to care for the egg-cluster, should you get one that you want to keep. http://applesnail.net/content/care.php (scroll down about 2/3's to Reproduction and Eggs sections) You'll also see photos of egg clusters here. If you don't want dozens or hundreds of babies, then just take a spoon and remove the cluster to the trash. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] just curious about snails I noticed that Speedy, my snail, has been going just above the water level. I know that mystery snails @ times go just above water line. Does that mean eggs are being laid? If so what would they look like? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38110	From: aranilucestellare	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Here's a pic of what they looked like in the old tank danios <http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s349/migzus19/P1000924.jpg> , I shall do the PCW's as recommended, what water conditioner will be good?? What happened is, that the old tank is about 10 yrs old, so thats what happened with the idea of the silicon been the cause in that particular issue... I know that is very hard to describe many things specially diseases if you are not actually there, I really do appreciate the effort though!!, I still have not found another word for flaky, but it looked like when you get really sunburned and your skin starts to peel off, like that, only that it did not peeled off. Im afraid I do have bad news :(, I came home and notice that my filtered died,then when I got closer, I found one of the Angels dead... it was not even floating.. it was just at the bottom. When I first started feeding them tubifex, the Angel that died, ate a lot of it, to me it was like he just discovered the cheeseburger, so it was fine.It started to get chubby and it showed a little bit of red, I went and asked if it could be pregnant,because Ive never seen a pregnant one before,apparently that was not it. I had read that when the angels reach maturity it is normal to see some red into them. is this true?? Anyway, besides those two facts it was swimming right and eating away....a parasite by the tubifex, maybe?? Im sad about that one. tray?? You see, I go to the aquarium and they sell it in a bag.:) you come home, and empty it into a dispenser for them(could this be the tray??) and thats that. Milk solution, is just putting them in milk?? I live in Costa Rica, I still have to visit more aquariums but have not found frozen worms of any type...:s Thank you about the snail info,well about everything really :D, Ive only seen one type, the apple snail, as I understand they are some varieties of it, right?? Thank you so much for everything!!~Nathalie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38111	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: sick??

Is your tubifex freeze dried? If it is not fresh or frozen and actually dried then you're going to want to put the tubifex worms into water to soak for maybe 10-20 seconds until they soften up and re-hydrate again, the dried worms can cause intestinal issues with fish. Amber aranilucestellare wrote: > > > > Here's a pic of what they looked like in the old tank danios > <http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s349/migzus19/P1000924.jpg > <http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s349/migzus19/P1000924.jpg>> , I > shall do the PCW's as recommended, what water conditioner will be good?? > > What happened is, that the old tank is about 10 yrs old, so thats what > happened with the idea of the silicon been the cause in that particular > issue... I know that is very hard to describe many things specially > diseases if you are not actually there, I really do appreciate the > effort though!!, I still have not found another word for flaky, but it > looked like when you get really sunburned and your skin starts to peel > off, like that, only that it did not peeled off. > > Im afraid I do have bad news :(, I came home and notice that my filtered > died,then when I got closer, I found one of the Angels dead... it was > not even floating.. it was just at the bottom. > > When I first started feeding them tubifex, the Angel that died, ate a > lot of it, to me it was like he just discovered the cheeseburger, so it > was fine.It started to get chubby and it showed a little bit of red, I > went and asked if it could be pregnant,because Ive never seen a pregnant > one before,apparently that was not it. I had read that when the angels > reach maturity it is normal to see some red into them. is this true?? > Anyway, besides those two facts it was swimming right and eating > away....a parasite by the tubifex, maybe?? Im sad about that one. > > tray?? You see, I go to the aquarium and they sell it in a bag.:) you > come home, and empty it into a dispenser for them(could this be the > tray??) and thats that. Milk solution, is just putting them in milk?? I > live in Costa Rica, I still have to visit more aquariums but have not > found frozen worms of any type...:s > > Thank you about the snail info,well about everything really :D, Ive only > seen one type, the apple snail, as I understand they are some varieties > of it, right?? > > Thank you so much for everything!!~Nathalie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38112	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Having recently done the cycle without fish, I would like to add what I learned. At first you need to add say 10 or 12 drops to the tank, and test to see how much ammonia that you have. Say that gives you .5 PPM, just a guess, then do the math, 12 more is 1 PPM, 24 more is 2 PPM, 48 more would bring you to 4 PPM. So you find out that 96 drops is 4 PPM with the ammonia that you are using. Now you have a baseline to keep the level at 4PPM all the time. Do not go over 4 or 5 PPM, the bacteria just stall and go dormant. Use only pure ammonia with no additives, I got mine at a ACE hardware store, marked janitorial or something on that order. Raise the temp to 88 degrees and run a air tube and let the filter fall into the water. Idea is to disturb the surface as much as you can, oxygen in the water speeds the process. DO NOT USE CARBON in the filter. Check for ammonia every day. When you go from 4PPM to 0 PPM in 24 hours, you then need to start checking Nitrites. You know how much ammonia to add each day to reach 4 PPM, and you still do that, and check for nitrites. Eventually they will also become 0. This is a great day! You have a cycled tank! I did this for a couple of more days as I could not go to the store and get fish anyway. I dropped the temp during those days, and removed 90% of the water and replaced it with water of the same temp. Went and got fish after the water change and acclimated them. Worked great. This entire process can be quicker if you can get filter floss or gravel from a cycled tank to seed the filter with. Or if you get the one and only product. But if you do, I would still run the ammonia a few days, be sure that 4 PPM return to 0 in 24 hours, before you buy fish. As the product may have been frozen, or some other thing has made it go bad. When you are sure the tank is cycled, you can buy all the fish you intend to stock the tank with at once. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in brand new > tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that have not yet > been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle somehat by using filter > media from an already established tank such as your Guppy tank. This is one > of the more recommended methods of starting a cycle in a newly set up tank. > You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish though, as > this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be enough for this > 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until then, you may add clear > ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed these bacteria until they reach > sufficient populations to handle the organic waste products of these fish. > You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which should > give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending on your drop > sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they dispense). You'll > need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to add additional ammonia > as is needed until you find the bacteria have reached a level at which they > will take care of it all. Likewise, you will have to monitor your nitrite > level and then your nitrate level after the first two have become > established, but at least this populated filter media will hasten this > process. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: >> >> Hi, everyone, >> I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon tank >> at work housing fancy guppies.  We are planning to set up a new 20 gal. tank >> at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf neon rainbows, some >> dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along with a couple of cory >> cats.  From what I've been reading, none of these are good in brand new >> tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank for a couple of weeks before adding >> fish.  Can I speed  the nitrogen cycle by using filter media from my guppy >> tank, or do I really need to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put >> in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? >> Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows?  I love their >> looks but they seem kind of delicate. >> >> Karen Hawk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38113	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

I read that to mean that if I keep salt in the water she'd recommend oto's. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? The preceding reply said "would suggest Cory's UNLESS you keep some salt for the (livebearers)". Most FW catfish do not like salt in their water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? I keep just under a teaspoon per gallon of salt; is that enough for otos? I hadn't seen that they need salt. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? > Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but > they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't > have a well established tank with good algae growth. > I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish > like guppy's and platy's, etc. > Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of > oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys >> or otys? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38114	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Hikari Fish Foods

Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38115	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Hikari Food

Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38116	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Hi Bill, Congrats on finally getting your Rams. Someday you've got to tell me more about them (how may you got, etc.). Hikari has an excellent reputation. I don't have any experience with their Micro Wafers, but if their line of dry foods is anything like their line of frozen foods, you can't go wrong. Their line of frozen foods is THE BEST, by far and well above any others out there. They apparently take extra pains to get their products to the hobbyist in as fresh of a condition as possible. I don't know about their Micro Wafers being the only food necessary to feed any fish, even though it may be well balanced. I've always felt that a variety of good foods is the best way to go. For one thing, in this way you never have to worry about feeding too much of any one food. As even applies to humans, all foods should be eaten in moderation. In this way, even possible harmful foods won't be that bad for you and foods that are rich in anything won't see you having too much of a good thing. Besides, would you want to exist only on a dry food -- like corn flakes? For variety (if for no other reason), you might want to try Betta Bits. They should be small enough for any Ram to take easily without them having to wait until it softens. I'm not saying to not feed the Micro Wafers though but it's too bad they aren't a little smaller. Not sure if you want to give them frozen foods, but I've found long ago that bloodworms are eagerly taken by fish their size and are excellent as a food source. Mysis Shrimp are extremely good too. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising > some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding > some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are > eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until > they are water logged to eat them. >   > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without > additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all > I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right. >   > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer. >  Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38117	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Just to elaborate on what Harl said... the general rule/guideline for "Fishless Cycling" is 3 to 5 drops of ammonia per gallon to get it started. The reason for "3 to 5" drops is that depending on human factors and the precision of the dropper, a "drop" can vary in size. Start off with 3 drops per gallon. Test the ammonia level. If it only reads 3ppm, then you know you have a dropper that gives out a more precise drop. Then you can add 1 or 2 more drops per gallon to raise it to 4ppm or 5ppm... but no more than 5ppm as higher levels of ammonia can actually be detrimental to fishless cycling as the higher ammonia level can cause the cycling to stall. If after adding 3 drops per gallon, it actually raises your ammonia to the 5ppm, then you know you have a dropper that puts out BIG drops and can calculate your future drops accordingly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank Having recently done the cycle without fish, I would like to add what I learned. At first you need to add say 10 or 12 drops to the tank, and test to see how much ammonia that you have. Say that gives you .5 PPM, just a guess, then do the math, 12 more is 1 PPM, 24 more is 2 PPM, 48 more would bring you to 4 PPM. So you find out that 96 drops is 4 PPM with the ammonia that you are using. Now you have a baseline to keep the level at 4PPM all the time. Do not go over 4 or 5 PPM, the bacteria just stall and go dormant. Use only pure ammonia with no additives, I got mine at a ACE hardware store, marked janitorial or something on that order. Raise the temp to 88 degrees and run a air tube and let the filter fall into the water. Idea is to disturb the surface as much as you can, oxygen in the water speeds the process. DO NOT USE CARBON in the filter. Check for ammonia every day. When you go from 4PPM to 0 PPM in 24 hours, you then need to start checking Nitrites. You know how much ammonia to add each day to reach 4 PPM, and you still do that, and check for nitrites. Eventually they will also become 0. This is a great day! You have a cycled tank! I did this for a couple of more days as I could not go to the store and get fish anyway. I dropped the temp during those days, and removed 90% of the water and replaced it with water of the same temp. Went and got fish after the water change and acclimated them. Worked great. This entire process can be quicker if you can get filter floss or gravel from a cycled tank to seed the filter with. Or if you get the one and only product. But if you do, I would still run the ammonia a few days, be sure that 4 PPM return to 0 in 24 hours, before you buy fish. As the product may have been frozen, or some other thing has made it go bad. When you are sure the tank is cycled, you can buy all the fish you intend to stock the tank with at once. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in > brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that > have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle > somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as > your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of starting a cycle in a newly set up tank. > You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish > though, as this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be > enough for this 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until > then, you may add clear ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed > these bacteria until they reach sufficient populations to handle the organic waste products of these fish. > You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which > should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending > on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they > dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to > add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the bacteria have > reached a level at which they will take care of it all. Likewise, you > will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your nitrate level > after the first two have become established, but at least this > populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: >> >> Hi, everyone, >> I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon >> tank at work housing fancy guppies.  We are planning to set up a new >> 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf >> neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along >> with a couple of cory cats.  From what I've been reading, none of >> these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank >> for a couple of weeks before adding fish.  Can I speed  the nitrogen >> cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need >> to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? >> Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows?  I love >> their looks but they seem kind of delicate. >> >> Karen Hawk

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38118	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

http://www.hikariusa.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used one in months.. possibly years.. lol) I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/meal based ingredients. As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/meal, I have been buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/meal based foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the wild. I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than relying on only one brand/product all of the time. Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Wellington_Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38119	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Surely you would want to measure those drops in ml for more accuracy later, and possibly sharing the info Lenny ?. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank Just to elaborate on what Harl said... the general rule/guideline for "Fishless Cycling" is 3 to 5 drops of ammonia per gallon to get it started. The reason for "3 to 5" drops is that depending on human factors and the precision of the dropper, a "drop" can vary in size. Start off with 3 drops per gallon. Test the ammonia level. If it only reads 3ppm, then you know you have a dropper that gives out a more precise drop. Then you can add 1 or 2 more drops per gallon to raise it to 4ppm or 5ppm... but no more than 5ppm as higher levels of ammonia can actually be detrimental to fishless cycling as the higher ammonia level can cause the cycling to stall. If after adding 3 drops per gallon, it actually raises your ammonia to the 5ppm, then you know you have a dropper that puts out BIG drops and can calculate your future drops accordingly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank Having recently done the cycle without fish, I would like to add what I learned. At first you need to add say 10 or 12 drops to the tank, and test to see how much ammonia that you have. Say that gives you .5 PPM, just a guess, then do the math, 12 more is 1 PPM, 24 more is 2 PPM, 48 more would bring you to 4 PPM. So you find out that 96 drops is 4 PPM with the ammonia that you are using. Now you have a baseline to keep the level at 4PPM all the time. Do not go over 4 or 5 PPM, the bacteria just stall and go dormant. Use only pure ammonia with no additives, I got mine at a ACE hardware store, marked janitorial or something on that order. Raise the temp to 88 degrees and run a air tube and let the filter fall into the water. Idea is to disturb the surface as much as you can, oxygen in the water speeds the process. DO NOT USE CARBON in the filter. Check for ammonia every day. When you go from 4PPM to 0 PPM in 24 hours, you then need to start checking Nitrites. You know how much ammonia to add each day to reach 4 PPM, and you still do that, and check for nitrites. Eventually they will also become 0. This is a great day! You have a cycled tank! I did this for a couple of more days as I could not go to the store and get fish anyway. I dropped the temp during those days, and removed 90% of the water and replaced it with water of the same temp. Went and got fish after the water change and acclimated them. Worked great. This entire process can be quicker if you can get filter floss or gravel from a cycled tank to seed the filter with. Or if you get the one and only product. But if you do, I would still run the ammonia a few days, be sure that 4 PPM return to 0 in 24 hours, before you buy fish. As the product may have been frozen, or some other thing has made it go bad. When you are sure the tank is cycled, you can buy all the fish you intend to stock the tank with at once. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in > brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that > have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle > somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as > your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of starting a cycle in a newly set up tank. > You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish > though, as this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be > enough for this 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until > then, you may add clear ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed > these bacteria until they reach sufficient populations to handle the organic waste products of these fish. > You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which > should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending > on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they > dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to > add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the bacteria have > reached a level at which they will take care of it all. Likewise, you > will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your nitrate level > after the first two have become established, but at least this > populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: >> >> Hi, everyone, >> I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon >> tank at work housing fancy guppies. We are planning to set up a new >> 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf >> neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along >> with a couple of cory cats. From what I've been reading, none of >> these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank >> for a couple of weeks before adding fish. Can I speed the nitrogen >> cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need >> to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until it is ready for the other fish or both? >> Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows? I love >> their looks but they seem kind of delicate. >> >> Karen Hawk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38120	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Yes Len,   I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them back type of food used proof of purchase.  One time we talked before, and I came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I.  "Wimpy"??????????????   I'm starting to wonder!  Of course there are people older than I after all, I'm not as old as Noah------------------------but I did hand him the hammer!   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used one in months.. possibly years.. lol) I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based ingredients. As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the wild. I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than relying on only one brand/product all of the time. Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of purchase of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. http://www.hikariusa.com/promotions/webcoupons/promo_offers.php I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye cartoons on Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you watched. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Yes Len,   I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them back type of food used proof of purchase.  One time we talked before, and I came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I.  "Wimpy"??????????????   I'm starting to wonder!  Of course there are people older than I after all, I'm not as old as Noah------------------------but I did hand him the hammer!   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used one in months.. possibly years.. lol) I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based ingredients. As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the wild. I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than relying on only one brand/product all of the time. Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38122	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Oops.. my bad.. just read the small print and they do need a UPC bar code from a current food but that's not that hard to cut off. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Yes Len,   I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them back type of food used proof of purchase.  One time we talked before, and I came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I.  "Wimpy"??????????????   I'm starting to wonder!  Of course there are people older than I after all, I'm not as old as Noah------------------------but I did hand him the hammer!   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used one in months.. possibly years.. lol) I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based ingredients. As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the wild. I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than relying on only one brand/product all of the time. Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38123	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Len,   I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link you just sent, the fine print?  And 10-4 on those re-runs------------------ya caught me!  I did watch the "originals"!   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of purchase of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye cartoons on Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you watched. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Yes Len,   I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them back type of food used proof of purchase.  One time we talked before, and I came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I.  "Wimpy"????? ?????????   I'm starting to wonder!  Of course there are people older than I after all, I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the hammer!   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used one in months.. possibly years.. lol) I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based ingredients. As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the wild. I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than relying on only one brand/product all of the time. Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons http://en.wikipedia ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them.   I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right.   Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38124	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys?

Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very small amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of eaters, IMO. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > I read that to mean that if I keep salt in the water she'd recommend > oto's. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:13 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > corydorys? > > The preceding reply said "would suggest Cory's UNLESS you keep some > salt for > the (livebearers)". Most FW catfish do not like salt in their water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:38 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > corydorys? > > I keep just under a teaspoon per gallon of salt; is that enough for > otos? I > hadn't seen that they need salt. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > corydorys? > > > Are you talking about oto's? I'm not sure how it's properly spelt, but > > they are an algae eater and very finicky to keep alive if you don't > > have a well established tank with good algae growth. > > I would suggest Cory's unless you keep some salt in your tank for fish > > like guppy's and platy's, etc. > > Cory's like to be in groups and so do Oto's, so space wise a group of > > oto's would take up less space as they are smaller fish than the Cory's. > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> Which type of scavenger is cute, active, and eats everything - corys > >> or otys? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38125	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods (mysis, brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other products from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" flakes, and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and get rid of eventually. I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my fish too ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Len, > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > re-runs------------------ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > purchase > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > cartoons on > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you watched. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > Yes Len, > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > and I > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I after > all, > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the > hammer! > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad > for a > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food > for a > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > While > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of > their > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > ingredients. > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > ground > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > in the > wild. > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > http://en.wikipedia > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until > I just > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some Tetra > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are eating but > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until > they are water logged to eat them. > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound > right. > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with > any of > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along > time > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to > a post, > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38126	From: Lisa	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Not amused!

The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38127	From: bill1433	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

Lisa,   Sorry to say that the easiest way out is also expensive, a back up generator.  I believe "Lenny" from this list has had quite a bit of experience with them during that last bad storm that he had in his area.   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: From: Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Not amused! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 7:11 PM The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38128	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

I've been using the little micropellets and microwafers for my tropical fish. They love them. I got Aquariuaan shrimp pellets and Hikari algae wafers to feed the otoclinicuses I just got today. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them. I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right. Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38129	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

Hopefully, all will be OK with your filter media and tanks but next time, if the power is out for more than an hour or so, un-plug the filters, take the media out and clean it in some remove tank water, then let the media float in the tank to help it stay cycled. Then take the water that is in the filter reservoir and dump it as it will start to foul after an hour or so as the bacteria and mulm start to die/rot with no oxygenated water flowing through it. Then you can put everything back together except leave the filter media in the tank until the power is back on, then fully reassemble the filter(s). Hopefully, this will minimize any cycling issues. Like Bill said, the only sure way to make it through an extended power outage is with a generator, which is the way I am prepared for Hurricanes down here nowadays. Way back in 2005, during the aftermath of Katrina, all I had was APC Brand Battery Back-ups for my computers that I kept recharging every day in my friends car using his power inverter. These will keep things running for a little while and what I did was run my filters for 5 minutes every hour to keep them from going foul and keep the good N-bacteria alive. Since this can't be done while sleeping, I ran them for 15 minutes before I went to sleep for a few hours and then ran them again as soon as I woke up. This seemed to work for me but I did not realize I was taking a chance with the filter reservoir water each time I started the filters back up after being off for 3 hours. Fortunately, my filters were nice and clean to start with since I had done filter maintenance preparing for the coming hurricane so there was not much mulm to foul the water. But for a surprise outage, this is why I said to clean the filters first, in some removed tank water as soon as the outage happens, to get rid of the excess detritus and mulm. My blog article gives full details about how me and my fish all survived 14 days of no power and 5 weeks of no fresh water after Katrina. I'm much more prepared nowadays. With all the fire events you all have been having down under, you should consider a generator as well since you could have extended outages if a fire ever got the power plants or transmission poles/wires. I got a pretty big one, capable of running more than enough of my stuff, including my refrigerator, a window A/C unit and of course my fish stuff. It cost me a little over $600.00 but it's a lot of peace of mind to have it handy if or when needed. Don't forget gas cans and a hose to siphon out your car tank if needed. Between my cans and two trucks, I had nearly 100G of gas after this past summers hurricanes. Fortunately, I only needed to use the generator a couple of times and only for short periods when the power was out for 8 hours once and 12 hours another time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Not amused! The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38130	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

I feel your pain, I would probably cry for their lost souls, however having seen their replies to my lost fry, Lenny ( evil person) and Steve ( Mr wicked ) would probably try hanging neon signs for an all night eatery on the tank and invite the other fish to try the latest fry up !!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Not amused! The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38131	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Food

I have microwafers, Bill. Send me your address privately, and I'll send you a few in a baggy. There aer also micro pellets as well, and they may be multicolored adn smaller, but frankly I mix my fish food, and I'm not sure those aren't a mixture with Tetra's tiny pellets. I also mix with Red tiny bits, two sizes, and frankly while the fish do like them they are very good at actually molding on the bottom of the tank. But I have a whole bag of micro wafers that I do know are wafers. They aren't wafers; they're small brown pellets. My little tetras and danios like them both. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Food Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some Tetra Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are eating but the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until they are water logged to eat them. I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound right. Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along time to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from you either here or even off-list if you prefer. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38132	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

Taht is scary. I go into a tizzy when the lights are out for any length of time too, because then you don't know how long they'll be out! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Not amused! The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38133	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

And it's OPEN 24 HOURS too! ;-) Like this->>> http://www.neon-nites.com/ProductImages/advertisingneon/004open24hrs.gif Mmmmm.. making me hungry now. Might have to fry up some fish sticks. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Not amused! I feel your pain, I would probably cry for their lost souls, however having seen their replies to my lost fry, Lenny ( evil person) and Steve ( Mr wicked ) would probably try hanging neon signs for an all night eatery on the tank and invite the other fish to try the latest fry up !!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Not amused! The most concerning 2 ½ hours of my life occurred last night. We had a power cut at 8pm, and it didn't come on again till 10: 30. I was in such a state of concern that I couldn't concentrate on doing anything else. The biggest sigh of relief, when without warning, all electrical appliances buzzed back into life. I checked my tank to feed my fish and my fry this morning. And GAH! About four of my fry were missing! So I'm peering into my tank like a hawk, and spot at least two of em swimming round in the main tank, being chased by the older fish. At that point my dad came into my room, and he proceeded to aid me on my rescue mission. And put them back in the breeding box. We actually ended up rescuing 5. So now, I think I have 9 fry. 8 two week old fry, and 1 newborn I discovered mid last week. What do you all do in a situation like that? Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38134	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Yes later on it is good to know how to quickly add 4 PPM after a 0 PPM reading. I had a test tube that I drew a line on the outside with a sharppie. It is also valuable to know how to raise it from 2 PPM to 4 PPM during the ammonia eating bacteria growing stage. So knowing how many drops a 1 PPM increase is is pretty important too. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > Surely you would want to measure those drops in ml for more accuracy later, > and possibly sharing the info Lenny ?. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:46 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank > > Just to elaborate on what Harl said... the general rule/guideline for > "Fishless Cycling" is 3 to 5 drops of ammonia per gallon to get it started. > The reason for "3 to 5" drops is that depending on human factors and the > precision of the dropper, a "drop" can vary in size. Start off with 3 > drops per gallon. Test the ammonia level. If it only reads 3ppm, then you > know you have a dropper that gives out a more precise drop. Then you can > add 1 or 2 more drops per gallon to raise it to 4ppm or 5ppm... but no more > than 5ppm as higher levels of ammonia can actually be detrimental to > fishless cycling as the higher ammonia level can cause the cycling to stall. > If after adding 3 drops per gallon, it actually raises your ammonia to the > 5ppm, then you know you have a dropper that puts out BIG drops and can > calculate your future drops accordingly. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank > > Having recently done the cycle without fish, I would like to add what I > learned. > > At first you need to add say 10 or 12 drops to the tank, and test to see how > much ammonia that you have. Say that gives you .5 PPM, just a guess, then > do the math, 12 more is 1 PPM, 24 more is 2 PPM, 48 more would bring you to > 4 PPM. So you find out that 96 drops is 4 PPM with the ammonia that you are > using. Now you have a baseline to keep the level at 4PPM all the time. Do > not go over 4 or 5 PPM, the bacteria just stall and go dormant. Use only > pure ammonia with no additives, I got mine at a ACE hardware store, marked > janitorial or something on that order. > > Raise the temp to 88 degrees and run a air tube and let the filter fall into > the water. Idea is to disturb the surface as much as you can, oxygen in the > water speeds the process. DO NOT USE CARBON in the filter. Check for > ammonia every day. When you go from 4PPM to 0 PPM > in 24 hours, you then need to start checking Nitrites. You know how > much ammonia to add each day to reach 4 PPM, and you still do that, and > check for nitrites. Eventually they will also become 0. This is a great > day! You have a cycled tank! I did this for a couple of more days as I > could not go to the store and get fish anyway. > > I dropped the temp during those days, and removed 90% of the water and > replaced it with water of the same temp. Went and got fish after the water > change and acclimated them. Worked great. > > This entire process can be quicker if you can get filter floss or gravel > from a cycled tank to seed the filter with. Or if you get the one and only > product. But if you do, I would still run the ammonia a few days, be sure > that 4 PPM return to 0 in 24 hours, before you buy fish. As the product may > have been frozen, or some other thing has made it go bad. When you are sure > the tank is cycled, you can buy all the fish you intend to stock the tank > with at once. > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raymond Wetzel > <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >> Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in >> brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that >> have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle >> somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as >> your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of starting a > cycle in a newly set up tank. >> You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish >> though, as this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be >> enough for this 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until >> then, you may add clear ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed >> these bacteria until they reach sufficient populations to handle the > organic waste products of these fish. >> You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which >> should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending >> on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they >> dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to >> add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the bacteria have >> reached a level at which they will take care of it all. Likewise, you >> will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your nitrate level >> after the first two have become established, but at least this >> populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, everyone, >>> I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon >>> tank at work housing fancy guppies. We are planning to set up a new >>> 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf >>> neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along >>> with a couple of cory cats. From what I've been reading, none of >>> these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank >>> for a couple of weeks before adding fish. Can I speed the nitrogen >>> cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need >>> to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until > it is ready for the other fish or both? >>> Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows? I love >>> their looks but they seem kind of delicate. >>> >>> Karen Hawk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38135	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: new tank

Oh and another thing that I did not do, but O see that it would make it easier, only put 10 gallons in the 20 gallon tank. Surface will be more agitated. Less water to change out in the last stage... On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > Yes later on it is good to know how to quickly add 4 PPM after a 0 PPM > reading.  I had a test tube that I drew a line on the outside with a > sharppie. > It is also valuable to know how to raise it from 2 PPM to 4 PPM during > the ammonia eating bacteria growing stage.  So knowing how many drops > a 1 PPM increase is is pretty important too. > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Garry the Womble > <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: >> Surely you would want to measure those drops in ml for more accuracy later, >> and possibly sharing the info Lenny ?. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:46 PM >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank >> >> Just to elaborate on what Harl said... the general rule/guideline for >> "Fishless Cycling" is 3 to 5 drops of ammonia per gallon to get it started. >> The reason for "3 to 5" drops is that depending on human factors and the >> precision of the dropper, a "drop" can vary in size. Start off with 3 >> drops per gallon. Test the ammonia level. If it only reads 3ppm, then you >> know you have a dropper that gives out a more precise drop. Then you can >> add 1 or 2 more drops per gallon to raise it to 4ppm or 5ppm... but no more >> than 5ppm as higher levels of ammonia can actually be detrimental to >> fishless cycling as the higher ammonia level can cause the cycling to stall. >> If after adding 3 drops per gallon, it actually raises your ammonia to the >> 5ppm, then you know you have a dropper that puts out BIG drops and can >> calculate your future drops accordingly. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Harl Myers >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:22 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: new tank >> >> Having recently done the cycle without fish, I would like to add what I >> learned. >> >> At first you need to add say 10 or 12 drops to the tank, and test to see how >> much ammonia that you have. Say that gives you .5 PPM, just a guess, then >> do the math, 12 more is 1 PPM, 24 more is 2 PPM, 48 more would bring you to >> 4 PPM. So you find out that 96 drops is 4 PPM with the ammonia that you are >> using. Now you have a baseline to keep the level at 4PPM all the time. Do >> not go over 4 or 5 PPM, the bacteria just stall and go dormant. Use only >> pure ammonia with no additives, I got mine at a ACE hardware store, marked >> janitorial or something on that order. >> >> Raise the temp to 88 degrees and run a air tube and let the filter fall into >> the water. Idea is to disturb the surface as much as you can, oxygen in the >> water speeds the process. DO NOT USE CARBON in the filter. Check for >> ammonia every day. When you go from 4PPM to 0 PPM >> in 24 hours, you then need to start checking Nitrites. You know how >> much ammonia to add each day to reach 4 PPM, and you still do that, and >> check for nitrites. Eventually they will also become 0. This is a great >> day! You have a cycled tank! I did this for a couple of more days as I >> could not go to the store and get fish anyway. >> >> I dropped the temp during those days, and removed 90% of the water and >> replaced it with water of the same temp. Went and got fish after the water >> change and acclimated them. Worked great. >> >> This entire process can be quicker if you can get filter floss or gravel >> from a cycled tank to seed the filter with. Or if you get the one and only >> product. But if you do, I would still run the ammonia a few days, be sure >> that 4 PPM return to 0 in 24 hours, before you buy fish. As the product may >> have been frozen, or some other thing has made it go bad. When you are sure >> the tank is cycled, you can buy all the fish you intend to stock the tank >> with at once. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raymond Wetzel >> <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >>> Karen, You are correct, none of those fish you mention are good in >>> brand new tanks, further, NO fish are good in brand new tanks -- that >>> have not yet been cycled. Yes, you can speed the nitrogen cycle >>> somehat by using filter media from an already established tank such as >>> your Guppy tank. This is one of the more recommended methods of starting a >> cycle in a newly set up tank. >>> You should still wait until the tank is cycled before adding fish >>> though, as this introduction of nitrifying bacteria will still not be >>> enough for this 20 gallon tank's bioload you are planning on. Until >>> then, you may add clear ammonia (10% solution) to the tank to feed >>> these bacteria until they reach sufficient populations to handle the >> organic waste products of these fish. >>> You would add the ammonia at a rate of 3 - 5 drops per gallon, which >>> should give you an ammonia level of between 4ppm and 5ppm, depending >>> on your drop sizes (droppers can vary slightly in the drop sizes they >>> dispense). You'll need to monitor the ammonia levels and will have to >>> add additional ammonia as is needed until you find the bacteria have >>> reached a level at which they will take care of it all. Likewise, you >>> will have to monitor your nitrite level and then your nitrate level >>> after the first two have become established, but at least this >>> populated filter media will hasten this process. Ray >>> >>> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, everyone, >>>> I have raised fsih in the past, but currently only have a five gallon >>>> tank at work housing fancy guppies. We are planning to set up a new >>>> 20 gal. tank at home and I'm looking at putting in some of the dwarf >>>> neon rainbows, some dwarf gouramis, and a pair of Ram cichlids along >>>> with a couple of cory cats. From what I've been reading, none of >>>> these are good in brand new tanks, so I will need to cycle the tank >>>> for a couple of weeks before adding fish. Can I speed the nitrogen >>>> cycle by using filter media from my guppy tank, or do I really need >>>> to haul a couple of guppy babies from work to put in the new tank until >> it is ready for the other fish or both? >>>> Does anyone have any experience with the threadfin rainbows? I love >>>> their looks but they seem kind of delicate. >>>> >>>> Karen Hawk >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38136	From: Ron/ronniemac	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Not amused!

I use battery pumps hooked up to a couple of sponge filters I keep in my tanks. So far it has worked for me. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Not amused!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38137	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

If you aren't an otocinclus. I bought four of them, all doing great so far. Only they've got three-quarters of an algae wafer, in four pieces, and a shrimp pellet, pretty much along the entire front of the tank - and every OTHER fish in the tank is swarming over them. Especially the danios, who have suddenly decided to be bottom feeders. The little Oto's can't get near them, and they're still hopping around cleaning the walls. Any suggestions? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or corydorys? > Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very small > amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I > never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of eaters, > IMO. > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38138	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Hi Amber,   I bit lost here.  "Bolivian not German rams"?  I did a Goggle on these as I have never seen them before.  Seems that they have more yellow in the face and in front of the fins? My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted.  They are fourth coming as soon as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night temperatures.  The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I walked in and there they were.  Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is always better than none!   Bill's luck?  Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very colorful.  They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet.   Bill --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods (mysis, brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other products from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" flakes, and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and get rid of eventually. I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my fish too ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Len, > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > purchase > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > cartoons on > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you watched. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > Yes Len, > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to send them > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > and I > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I after > all, > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the > hammer! > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad > for a > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food > for a > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > While > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of > their > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > ingredients. > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > ground > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > in the > wild. > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers... > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > http://en.wikipedia > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until > I just > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some Tetra > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are eating but > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until > they are water logged to eat them. > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound > right. > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with > any of > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited along > time > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to hear from > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to > a post, > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38139	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Test Message for "a" coding inside

Mail seems to have capital "a" inserted into messages???   bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38140	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside

Where are you seeing a capital "a"? I looked at your last reply to Amber and the "A" in "Amber" was the only capital "a" that I saw. Have you been hitting the bottle again? LOL But on a side note... remember... I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Mail seems to have capital "a" inserted into messages???   bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38141	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside

Hi Len,   Can send you a screen shot direct if you ok it? Message was a mess.   bill --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 1:33 PM Where are you seeing a capital "a"? I looked at your last reply to Amber and the "A" in "Amber" was the only capital "a" that I saw. Have you been hitting the bottle again? LOL But on a side note... remember... I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Mail seems to have capital "a" inserted into messages???   bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38142	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

That's one of the reasons I had trouble keeping them alive too... Maybe try feeding closer to night time? I'm not sure if they are nocturnal or not. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > If you aren't an otocinclus. I bought four of them, all doing great so > far. > Only they've got three-quarters of an algae wafer, in four pieces, and a > shrimp pellet, pretty much along the entire front of the tank - and every > OTHER fish in the tank is swarming over them. Especially the danios, who > have suddenly decided to be bottom feeders. The little Oto's can't get > near > them, and they're still hopping around cleaning the walls. > > Any suggestions? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > corydorys? > > > Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very small > > amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I > > never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of eaters, > > IMO. > > > > Amber > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so far (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm thinking I may have 2 males. They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like them. Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a stand off dance in a circle. Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram,-Bolivian-%2F-Ruby-Clown-(live-cichlid-fish)-1.5%22_W0QQitemZ220370818544QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090302?IMSfp=TL090302203007r25290 Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow in > the face and in front of the fins? > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > always better than none! > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a > bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods (mysis, > brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other products > from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" flakes, > and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and get rid > of eventually. > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel > food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually > take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My > hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my > fish too ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Len, > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > purchase > > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > cartoons on > > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you > watched. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > Yes Len, > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > send them > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > > and I > > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I after > > all, > > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the > > hammer! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad > > for a > > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food > > for a > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I > haven't used > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > (part of > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > also been > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > > While > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of > > their > > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > > ingredients. > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I have been > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > natural for > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal based > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > > ground > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > > in the > > wild. > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather > than > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > to eat > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > hamburgers... > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > http://en.wikipedia > > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until > > I just > > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some > Tetra > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are eating but > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait > until > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be > a daily > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does > not sound > > right. > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with > > any of > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited > along > > time > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to > hear from > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to > > a post, > > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC > > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > (was > > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38144	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Gah, didn't like my link there ;) LOL. Obviously there's an ebay seller selling these rams though, so searching ebay for bolivian rams will bring them up. My rams spend most of their time searching my 125 gallon tank for food bits, as do all the fish. I've started giving them a day where they get no food during the week to help "clean up" any leftovers that might be laying on the gravel, so far they've uprooted one of my plants that they either found edible or didn't like ;) I'd be willing to place bets that it's my severum that's uprooting random plants though, LOL. I try not to leave him out on that day in the week that I don't feed the other fish, as he gets a little "mad" and uproots plants looking for food ;) So I will feed him the sinking pellets on that day so he doesn't uproot anything, LOL. If my messages seem a bit off today it's because I'm on cold medicine due to a nasty chest cold that came on last night :( My head just isn't thinking straight today. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so far > (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm thinking I > may have 2 males. > They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. > They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like > them. > Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a > slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their > "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a > stand off dance in a circle. > Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. > http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram,-Bolivian-%2F-Ruby-Clown- > <http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram,-Bolivian-%2F-Ruby-Clown->(live-cichlid-fish)-1.5%22_W0QQitemZ220370818544QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090302?IMSfp=TL090302203007r25290 > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow in > > the face and in front of the fins? > > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > > always better than none! > > > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a > > bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods (mysis, > > brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other products > > from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" flakes, > > and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and get rid > > of eventually. > > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel > > food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually > > take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My > > hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my > > fish too ;) > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > > > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > > purchase > > > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > > cartoons on > > > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you > > watched. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Yes Len, > > > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > > send them > > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > > > and I > > > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I after > > > all, > > > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the > > > hammer! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad > > > for a > > > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one > they > > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a > form, > > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food > > > for a > > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I > > haven't used > > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > > (part of > > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > > also been > > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > > > While > > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of > > > their > > > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > > > ingredients. > > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I > have been > > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > > natural for > > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal > based > > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > > > ground > > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > > > in the > > > wild. > > > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather > > than > > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > > to eat > > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > > hamburgers... > > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > > http://en.wikipedia > > > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until > > > I just > > > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some > > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some > > Tetra > > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are > eating but > > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait > > until > > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting > their > > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be > > a daily > > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > > > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does > > not sound > > > right. > > > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with > > > any of > > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited > > along > > > time > > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in > general > > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to > > hear from > > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > > Bill > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You.. > > > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to > > > a post, > > > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > TOPIC > > > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > > (was > > > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38145	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Doesn't appear they are nocturnal. I did try feeding them in the late evening. Don't think they care. Today one of the otos is dead (jammed behind a rock, don't know if that's why he is dead or not) and another is too quiet. Had the devil of a time finding them. I found my shrimp pellet in a different part of the tank under a plastic plant, and it fell apart as I pulled it out. Don't know what happened to the algae pellet bits; don't see them still there. Would have been alot for the fish to eat. But there are bits of this and that everywhere. Which there wren't two days ago. I'm going to foul the tank trying to get food into the otos! Does anyone have a solution to that problem? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > That's one of the reasons I had trouble keeping them alive too... Maybe > try feeding closer to night time? I'm not sure if they are nocturnal or > not. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> If you aren't an otocinclus. I bought four of them, all doing great so >> far. >> Only they've got three-quarters of an algae wafer, in four pieces, and a >> shrimp pellet, pretty much along the entire front of the tank - and every >> OTHER fish in the tank is swarming over them. Especially the danios, who >> have suddenly decided to be bottom feeders. The little Oto's can't get >> near >> them, and they're still hopping around cleaning the walls. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or >> corydorys? >> >> > Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very small >> > amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I >> > never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of eaters, >> > IMO. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38146	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Sorry about the cold but I forgot to ask......how big are the rams?  How old?   Bill --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:18 PM Gah, didn't like my link there ;) LOL. Obviously there's an ebay seller selling these rams though, so searching ebay for bolivian rams will bring them up. My rams spend most of their time searching my 125 gallon tank for food bits, as do all the fish. I've started giving them a day where they get no food during the week to help "clean up" any leftovers that might be laying on the gravel, so far they've uprooted one of my plants that they either found edible or didn't like ;) I'd be willing to place bets that it's my severum that's uprooting random plants though, LOL. I try not to leave him out on that day in the week that I don't feed the other fish, as he gets a little "mad" and uproots plants looking for food ;) So I will feed him the sinking pellets on that day so he doesn't uproot anything, LOL. If my messages seem a bit off today it's because I'm on cold medicine due to a nasty chest cold that came on last night :( My head just isn't thinking straight today. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so far > (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm thinking I > may have 2 males. > They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. > They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like > them. > Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a > slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their > "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a > stand off dance in a circle. > Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. > http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- Clown- > <http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- Clown->(live-cichlid- fish)-1.5% 22_W0QQitemZ2203 70818544QQcmdZVi ewItemQQimsxZ200 90302?IMSfp= TL090302203007r2 5290 > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow in > > the face and in front of the fins? > > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > > always better than none! > > > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a > > bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods (mysis, > > brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other products > > from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" flakes, > > and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and get rid > > of eventually. > > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel > > food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually > > take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My > > hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my > > fish too ;) > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > > > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > > purchase > > > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > > cartoons on > > > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you > > watched. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups.. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Yes Len, > > > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > > send them > > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > > > and I > > > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I after > > > all, > > > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand him the > > > hammer! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad > > > for a > > > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one > they > > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a > form, > > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food > > > for a > > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I > > haven't used > > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > > (part of > > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > > also been > > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > > > While > > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of > > > their > > > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > > > ingredients. > > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I > have been > > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > > natural for > > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal > based > > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > > > ground > > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > > > in the > > > wild. > > > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather > > than > > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > > to eat > > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > > hamburgers.. . > > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > > http://en.wikipedia > > > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name until > > > I just > > > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups.. > > > com] > > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising some > > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some > > Tetra > > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are > eating but > > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait > > until > > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting > their > > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be > > a daily > > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > > > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just does > > not sound > > > right. > > > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience with > > > any of > > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve waited > > along > > > time > > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in > general > > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to > > hear from > > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > > Bill > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > Thank You.. > > > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to > > > a post, > > > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > TOPIC > > > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > > (was > > > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38147	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

You could try the egg white mix I was using for my hillstream loaches (all the other fish loved it too, so if you have guppies too it might just be food for the guppies, LOL). I took a flat rock like you'd find for landscaping and I washed it really good in the dishwasher (no soap). Then I cracked an egg and mixed the egg whites with some algae flakes and decapsulated brine shrimp eggs (you can use algae and veggie flakes I would assume as oto's are mostly algae eaters), then I pasted this egg white mix onto the rock and let it dry over night. If you use a whole egg it seems to peel off of the rock quicker than just with egg whites, I've experimented a couple of times ;) Make sure that if you do this that the rock is VERY dry and the egg white mixture appears to be peeling off, otherwise you will foul your tank if the egg white mixture is still wet in spots. Do you have any fish that might be chasing your oto's and making them hide? My angel's used to chase the oto's and I think that's one of my problems with keeping Oto's ;) I would only keep them in very friendly community tanks if I get them again. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Doesn't appear they are nocturnal. I did try feeding them in the late > evening. Don't think they care. > > Today one of the otos is dead (jammed behind a rock, don't know if that's > why he is dead or not) and another is too quiet. Had the devil of a time > finding them. I found my shrimp pellet in a different part of the tank > under a plastic plant, and it fell apart as I pulled it out. Don't know > what happened to the algae pellet bits; don't see them still there. Would > have been alot for the fish to eat. But there are bits of this and that > everywhere. Which there wren't two days ago. I'm going to foul the tank > trying to get food into the otos! > > Does anyone have a solution to that problem? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > That's one of the reasons I had trouble keeping them alive too... Maybe > > try feeding closer to night time? I'm not sure if they are nocturnal or > > not. > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> If you aren't an otocinclus. I bought four of them, all doing great so > >> far. > >> Only they've got three-quarters of an algae wafer, in four pieces, > and a > >> shrimp pellet, pretty much along the entire front of the tank - and > every > >> OTHER fish in the tank is swarming over them. Especially the > danios, who > >> have suddenly decided to be bottom feeders. The little Oto's can't get > >> near > >> them, and they're still hopping around cleaning the walls. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:33 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > >> corydorys? > >> > >> > Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very > small > >> > amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I > >> > never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of > eaters, > >> > IMO. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38148	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

With fins they are maybe 2-2.5 inches long, but they are long finned, so their body is probably just a little over an inch long without the fins. I got them in November, not sure how old they were when I purchased them, but they have grown at least a half an inch since I bought them. I originally bought 3 but one of the 3 didn't make it past the first night, never found the body either, so I assume it was eaten by my "starving" fish ;) They came with ich, which is why I bought a quarantine tank right after I got them, learned from that lesson ;) Unfortunately I need a new filter for my Q tank as the one that came with the kit from walmart is not working anymore, and I had it cycled on my big tank and ready to go, ugh! LOL. At least it's just for a 10 gallon tank, those size filters are pretty cheap ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Sorry about the cold but I forgot to ask......how big are the rams? > How old? > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:18 PM > > Gah, didn't like my link there ;) LOL. > Obviously there's an ebay seller selling these rams though, so searching > ebay for bolivian rams will bring them up. > My rams spend most of their time searching my 125 gallon tank for food > bits, as do all the fish. I've started giving them a day where they get > no food during the week to help "clean up" any leftovers that might be > laying on the gravel, so far they've uprooted one of my plants that they > either found edible or didn't like ;) I'd be willing to place bets that > it's my severum that's uprooting random plants though, LOL. I try not to > leave him out on that day in the week that I don't feed the other fish, > as he gets a little "mad" and uproots plants looking for food ;) So I > will feed him the sinking pellets on that day so he doesn't uproot > anything, LOL. > > If my messages seem a bit off today it's because I'm on cold medicine > due to a nasty chest cold that came on last night :( My head just isn't > thinking straight today. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so far > > (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm thinking I > > may have 2 males. > > They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. > > They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like > > them. > > Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a > > slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their > > "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a > > stand off dance in a circle. > > Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. > > http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- Clown- > > <http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- > Clown->(live-cichlid- fish)-1.5% 22_W0QQitemZ2203 70818544QQcmdZVi > ewItemQQimsxZ200 90302?IMSfp= TL090302203007r2 5290 > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > > > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow in > > > the face and in front of the fins? > > > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > > > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > > > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > > > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > > > always better than none! > > > > > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > > > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a > > > bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > > > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods > (mysis, > > > brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other > products > > > from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" > flakes, > > > and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and > get rid > > > of eventually. > > > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at > a gel > > > food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually > > > take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My > > > hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook > for my > > > fish too ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > > > > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the > "originals"! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > > > purchase > > > > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > > > > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > > > cartoons on > > > > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you > > > watched. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups.. > > > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > > > Yes Len, > > > > > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > > > send them > > > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > > > > and I > > > > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > > > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I > after > > > > all, > > > > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand > him the > > > > hammer! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, > an ad > > > > for a > > > > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one > > they > > > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a > > form, > > > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of > food > > > > for a > > > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I > > > haven't used > > > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > > > (part of > > > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > > > also been > > > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown > Pleco. > > > > While > > > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, > many of > > > > their > > > > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > > > > ingredients. > > > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I > > have been > > > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > > > natural for > > > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal > > based > > > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > > > > ground > > > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > > > > in the > > > > wild. > > > > > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather > > > than > > > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > > > to eat > > > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > > > hamburgers.. . > > > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > > > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > > > http://en.wikipedia > > > > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name > until > > > > I just > > > > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups.. > > > > com] > > > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising > some > > > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some > > > Tetra > > > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are > > eating but > > > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait > > > until > > > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting > > their > > > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is > meant to be > > > a daily > > > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > > > > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that > just does > > > not sound > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no > experience with > > > > any of > > > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve > waited > > > along > > > > time > > > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in > > general > > > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d > like to > > > hear from > > > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You.. > > > > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you > REPLY to > > > > a post, > > > > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > > TOPIC > > > > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > > > (was > > > > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38149	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside

Feel free to send me the screen shot but, it's likely something going on with reading Yahoo Mail on the internet and/or getting your group email in HTML format, rather than plain text. Last but not least, Yahoo has been sending out warnings for the past week that they were going to be doing a lot of work on Yahoo Mail so there could be some problems related to their "improvements". I've seen that capital A with a fancy character next to it in other emails in the past and I think it's something to do with the way certain email readers render, or rather mis-render, either HTML or Rich Text formats. To fix either or both of these issues about the way you receive group email, go to the group's home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquaticlife and sign in. Near the top of the page on the first line under the Yahoo banner ad, you'll see a link called "Edit Membership". Click on that link and on that page, you will find where you can change your settings to either Individual or Daily Digest, etc., and then either "Fully Featured" (which is Yahoo's verbiage for "HTML with lots of other crap" or you can choose Traditional which does not include all the other crap. I receive ALL of my various YGroup's email in Traditional format and some as Individual emails and others as Daily Digests. I ALWAYS read email in plain text ONLY unless I feel the need to convert it to HTML to see any "pretty pictures" that might be embedded in the HTML, like my email from Hugh Hefner. ;-) LOL Just kidding... I'm not on his email list any longer. Lastly, in your email reader, you have settings to read your email in either plain text or HTML. I choose plain text with Outlook 2003 as my email client. Then, if an email is received in HTML, I can choose to convert it to HTML on a case by case basis. This is a much safer way of receiving email since receiving any/all email in HTML allows spammers or others to not only find out if/when you opened the SPAM but it is also a possible way of injecting malicious code that could attack your computer. There are some emails that I get in HTML but I receive them in HTML and then click on the information bar in OL2003 and convert it to HTML but only after I know that the email is from a source that I reasonably trust. I NEVER allow HTML mail from unknown sources and certainly NOT from a spammer that might make it through my Gmail and other spam filtering protocols. OK.. enough geek speak. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Hi Len,   Can send you a screen shot direct if you ok it? Message was a mess.   bill --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 1:33 PM Where are you seeing a capital "a"? I looked at your last reply to Amber and the "A" in "Amber" was the only capital "a" that I saw. Have you been hitting the bottle again? LOL But on a side note... remember... I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Mail seems to have capital "a" inserted into messages???   bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38150	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Your link worked for me. But like all ebay old sale pages, you have to scroll down to see the original, now expired sale. The picture was still there and could be viewed with the "Larger Image" link also. Maybe your scrolling abilities are affected by that cold medicine. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods Gah, didn't like my link there ;) LOL. Obviously there's an ebay seller selling these rams though, so searching ebay for bolivian rams will bring them up. My rams spend most of their time searching my 125 gallon tank for food bits, as do all the fish. I've started giving them a day where they get no food during the week to help "clean up" any leftovers that might be laying on the gravel, so far they've uprooted one of my plants that they either found edible or didn't like ;) I'd be willing to place bets that it's my severum that's uprooting random plants though, LOL. I try not to leave him out on that day in the week that I don't feed the other fish, as he gets a little "mad" and uproots plants looking for food ;) So I will feed him the sinking pellets on that day so he doesn't uproot anything, LOL. If my messages seem a bit off today it's because I'm on cold medicine due to a nasty chest cold that came on last night :( My head just isn't thinking straight today. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so > far (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm > thinking I may have 2 males. > They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. > They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like > them. > Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a > slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their > "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a > stand off dance in a circle. > Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. > http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram,-Bolivian-%2F-Ruby-Clown- > <http://cgi.ebay.com/Ram,-Bolivian-%2F-Ruby-Clown-1.5%22_W0QQitemZ220370818544QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090302?IMSfp=TL090302203007r25290 > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow > > in the face and in front of the fins? > > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > > always better than none! > > > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase > > a bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods > > (mysis, brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few > > other products from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, > > "regular" flakes, and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying > > to use up and get rid of eventually. > > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a > > gel food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't > > usually take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl > > ;) LOL. My hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want > > to cook for my fish too ;) > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page > > > link you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the "originals"! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > > purchase of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. > > > php > > > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > > cartoons on Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the > > > ones you > > watched. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Yes Len, > > > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > > send them > > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked > > > before, and I came away with the idea that you were probably much > > > younger than I. > > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I > > > after all, I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I > > > did hand him the hammer! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, an > > > ad for a free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample > > > of the one > they > > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a > form, > > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of > > > food for a 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps > > > nowadays... I > > haven't used > > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > > (part of > > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > > also been > > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. > > > While > > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many > > > of their products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ > > > meal based ingredients. > > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I > have been > > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > > natural for > > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal > based > > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that > > > is ground up fish so that, technically, would be something that > > > other fish eat in the wild. > > > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods > > > rather > > than > > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > > to eat > > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > > hamburgers... > > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For > > > you youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > > http://en.wikipedia ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't > > > know his full name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > > com] > > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising > > > some Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am > > > feeding some > > Tetra > > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are > eating but > > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they > > > wait > > until > > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting > their > > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to > > > be > > a daily > > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking > > > this statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that just > > > does > > not sound > > > right. > > > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no experience > > > with any of their products and I want the very best for my Rams, > > > I’ve waited > > along > > > time > > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in > general > > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d like to > > hear from > > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38151	From: bill1433	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Yes on the Q tank.  I use air stone, heater (preset) and a rubber maid 18 gallon to float all new fish and hold for a week.  After that usually I can tell if problems are going to occur.  You remember, I have well water here with low pH so great care and time must be taken.   Bill --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:45 PM With fins they are maybe 2-2.5 inches long, but they are long finned, so their body is probably just a little over an inch long without the fins. I got them in November, not sure how old they were when I purchased them, but they have grown at least a half an inch since I bought them. I originally bought 3 but one of the 3 didn't make it past the first night, never found the body either, so I assume it was eaten by my "starving" fish ;) They came with ich, which is why I bought a quarantine tank right after I got them, learned from that lesson ;) Unfortunately I need a new filter for my Q tank as the one that came with the kit from walmart is not working anymore, and I had it cycled on my big tank and ready to go, ugh! LOL. At least it's just for a 10 gallon tank, those size filters are pretty cheap ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Sorry about the cold but I forgot to ask......how big are the rams? > How old? > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:18 PM > > Gah, didn't like my link there ;) LOL. > Obviously there's an ebay seller selling these rams though, so searching > ebay for bolivian rams will bring them up. > My rams spend most of their time searching my 125 gallon tank for food > bits, as do all the fish. I've started giving them a day where they get > no food during the week to help "clean up" any leftovers that might be > laying on the gravel, so far they've uprooted one of my plants that they > either found edible or didn't like ;) I'd be willing to place bets that > it's my severum that's uprooting random plants though, LOL. I try not to > leave him out on that day in the week that I don't feed the other fish, > as he gets a little "mad" and uproots plants looking for food ;) So I > will feed him the sinking pellets on that day so he doesn't uproot > anything, LOL. > > If my messages seem a bit off today it's because I'm on cold medicine > due to a nasty chest cold that came on last night :( My head just isn't > thinking straight today. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I have a mated pair or not, haven't seen any eggs so far > > (by them), as far as looks go they both look the same, so I'm thinking I > > may have 2 males. > > They are the Bolivian Ram/Ruby clown, long finned. > > They are not as colorful as the blue german rams IMO, but I still like > > them. > > Mine don't seem to be very territorial either, occasionally I see a > > slight "scuffle" between my 2 rams, but normally they just do their > > "stand off" and one will chase the other off after a little bit of a > > stand off dance in a circle. > > Here is a link to a picture if you wanted to compare a little. > > http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- Clown- > > <http://cgi.ebay. com/Ram,- Bolivian- %2F-Ruby- > Clown->(live- cichlid- fish)-1.5% 22_W0QQitemZ2203 70818544QQcmdZVi > ewItemQQimsxZ200 90302?IMSfp= TL090302203007r2 5290 > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I bit lost here. "Bolivian not German rams"? I did a Goggle on these > > > as I have never seen them before. Seems that they have more yellow in > > > the face and in front of the fins? > > > My rams are not "thee" rams I wanted. They are fourth coming as soon > > > as the weather breaks and we get out of these cold over-night > > > temperatures. The ones I have now were a chance purchase at a LPS, I > > > walked in and there they were. Only 3 but to a true Ram lover, 3 is > > > always better than none! > > > > > > Bill's luck? Sure, all 3 appear to be males and they are very > > > colorful. They already have the 29-gallon tank divided up and chase a > > > bit but no serious fighting or fin nipping yet. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com> > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > > > Congrats on your Ram's Bill :) > > > I feed my Ram's (bolivian not german rams), mostly frozen foods > (mysis, > > > brine shrimp, and bloodworms), and then I intermix a few other > products > > > from Omega One, I have shrimp pellets, Veggie Flakes, "regular" > flakes, > > > and a few other "lesser" products that I'm trying to use up and > get rid > > > of eventually. > > > I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at > a gel > > > food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually > > > take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My > > > hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook > for my > > > fish too ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > I appreciate your efforts but read the very bottom of the page link > > > > you just sent, the fine print? And 10-4 on those > > > > re-runs----- --------- ----ya caught me! I did watch the > "originals"! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > > > %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > Nahh.. the new form for a free sample doesn't require the proof of > > > > purchase > > > > of another brand and all that stuff they tried before. > > > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com/promotions /webcoupons/ promo_offers. php > > > > > > > > I am much younger than you but I still remember watching Popeye > > > > cartoons on > > > > Saturday mornings as a kid... probably reruns of the ones you > > > watched. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. . > > > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:59 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > > > Yes Len, > > > > > > > > I got the part about the "free" sample but there's a bit more to > > > send them > > > > back type of food used proof of purchase. One time we talked before, > > > > and I > > > > came away with the idea that you were probably much younger than I. > > > > "Wimpy"????? ????????? > > > > > > > > I'm starting to wonder! Of course there are people older than I > after > > > > all, > > > > I'm not as old as Noah-------- --------- -------but I did hand > him the > > > > hammer! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45 PM > > > > > > > > http://www.hikarius a.com currently has, and almost always has, > an ad > > > > for a > > > > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one > > they > > > > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a > > form, > > > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of > food > > > > for a > > > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I > > > haven't used > > > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco > > > (part of > > > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have > > > also been > > > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown > Pleco. > > > > While > > > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, > many of > > > > their > > > > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/ meal based > > > > ingredients. > > > > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/ meal, I > > have been > > > > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more > > > natural for > > > > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/ meal > > based > > > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is > > > > ground > > > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat > > > > in the > > > > wild. > > > > > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather > > > than > > > > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > > > > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want > > > to eat > > > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was > > > hamburgers.. . > > > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > > > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > > > > http://en.wikipedia > > > > ..org/wiki/ J._Wellington_ Wimpy and I didn't know his full name > until > > > > I just > > > > Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ > yahoogroups. . > > > > com] > > > > On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products? I am rising > some > > > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram". Currently I am feeding some > > > Tetra > > > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula. They are > > eating but > > > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait > > > until > > > > they are water logged to eat them. > > > > > > > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting > > their > > > > “Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is > meant to be > > > a daily > > > > diet without additional supplementation needed. Now I am taking this > > > > statement as, that’s all I need to feed them, and that > just does > > > not sound > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Now its not that I don’t believe them, but I have no > experience with > > > > any of > > > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I’ve > waited > > > along > > > > time > > > > to get them. Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in > > general > > > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I’d > like to > > > hear from > > > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > > > Thank You.. > > > > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you > REPLY to > > > > a post, > > > > DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > > TOPIC > > > > of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > > > (was > > > > re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38152	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Probably OT

Does the group have a list of ebay sellers that are known to be dodgy for fishy stuff ? Garry ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38153	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Probably OT

If by "dodgy", you mean bad, then the best way to find out that is by looking at the eBay Sellers ratings and read the actual replies of buyers. I did a Google and found this about "dodgy" which confirms that "dodgy" means bad. ;-) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dodgy Main Entry: dodgy Pronunciation: \dä-jē\ Function: adjective Date: 1861 1chiefly British : evasive , tricky 2chiefly British a: not sound, good, or reliable b: questionable , suspicious 3chiefly British : requiring skill or care in handling or coping with — dodg·i·ness \-nəs\ noun I find that the overwhelming majority of eBay sellers are legitimate and responsible folks. I have never been ripped off by an eBay seller.. although sometimes, they might have a little puffery in their advertisement spiel.... but nothing to the degree of the puffery found on the Home Shopping Network, QVC or other infomercials. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Probably OT Does the group have a list of ebay sellers that are known to be dodgy for fishy stuff ? Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38154	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: am a happy Camper.

I Joined a free cycle group where I live. I posted that I was wanting a 30 gallon tank. With in 5 min I received an email saying that if I wanted to take the water out and take the fish that are in the tank with me. I plan on taking some water jugs(as much as I have on me) and using some of the same water that the tank comes with.? It comes with a loach, a gold fish, and a shark Not sure what kind of? gold fish, shark or loach it is yet. ? I was told that they would eat gold fish food, and what ever else floats in the water. What should I get as far as food for them ? I have peas, frozen brine, tropical flakes and algae wafers. is there anything else I would eventually need for the shark and loach?? I plan on re homing the gold fish and using the tank for my guppies. I hope the tank isn't real dirty but who knows as the person said she didn't have a pump to get the water out [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38155	From: William	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.

That is a good start to re home the goldfish but if you start putting guppies in with the "shark" you might wind up feeding the shark with guppies.As to the loach, I would feed it meaty foods including live snails. I would advise against cleaning the gravel too well as you will wind up killing most of the good bacteria and you will wind up with a mini to medium cycle again. You are wise to bring as much water as you can with you so that you do not shock the fish with fresh and clean water.After you have it running for a week then you can start doing regular weekly 10 to 25% water changes and vac the gravel during the water changes. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I Joined a free cycle group where I live. I posted that I was wanting a 30 gallon tank. With in 5 min I received an email saying that if I wanted to take the water out and take the fish that are in the tank with me. I plan on taking some water jugs(as much as I have on me) and using some of the same water that the tank comes with.? It comes with a loach, a gold fish, and a shark Not sure what kind of? gold fish, shark or loach it is yet. > ? I was told that they would eat gold fish food, and what ever else floats in the water. What should I get as far as food for them ? I have peas, frozen brine, tropical flakes and algae wafers. is there anything else I would eventually need for the shark and loach?? I plan on re homing the gold fish and using the tank for my guppies. I hope the tank isn't real dirty but who knows as the person said she didn't have a pump to get the water out > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38156	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)

I can't wait to hear about your experience with making the gel food Amber. It was such a messy project for me, but when it was finally done, the fish really enjoyed it. It was like a feeding frenzy. And even though I tried to cut the recipe down a bit, and gave some away, I still have quite a bit left. Barbara In a message dated 3/14/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: I try to feed a variety like Lenny does. I want to try my hand at a gel food type recipe out of gelatin and see how well I do, I don't usually take time out to cook though, I'm a easy meal kind of girl ;) LOL. My hubby is the cook in my family. But I doubt he will want to cook for my fish too ;) Amber **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38157	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)

what is the recipe for the gel food? and can chichlids eat it? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38158	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)

I'm sure there's several recipes for cichlid gel foods. But first you need to know if your cichlids are carnivores, herbivores or omnivores to know which recipe would be most applicable. Here's a few links to get you started... http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/food_recipes.php http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-fish-food/112.asp http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=18 http://www.thekrib.com/Food/paste.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods) what is the recipe for the gel food? and can chichlids eat it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)

One more that I forgot... http://www.sydneycichlid.com/cichlid-food-frozen.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods) what is the recipe for the gel food? and can chichlids eat it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38160	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Gel Food (was Hikari Fish Foods)

thank you they do eat rosies, guppies and baby sized gold fish **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38161	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.

I plan on re-homing the goldfish. I wonder would the shark fit in a 10 gal easily?  I haven't seen the size of it yet will see it today. Will have to get  at least one more snail and some blood worms  and possibly dried brine shrimp. The person I am getting the tank from has been feeding them all goldfish food. -----Original Message----- From: William <dreammaker2623@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 1:18 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happy Camper. That is a good start to re home the goldfish but if you start putting guppies in with the "shark" you might wind up feeding the shark with guppies.As to the loach, I would feed it meaty foods including live snails. I would advise against cleaning the gravel too well as you will wind up killing most of the good bacteria and you will wind up with a mini to medium cycle again. You are wise to bring as much water as you can with you so that you do not shock the fish with fresh and clean water.After you have it running for a week then you can start doing regular weekly 10 to 25% water changes and vac the gravel during the water changes. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I Joined a free cycle group where I live. I posted that I was wanting a 30 gallon tank. With in 5 min I received an email saying that if I wanted to take the water out and take the fish that a re in the tank with me. I plan on taking some water jugs(as much as I have on me) and using some of the same water that the tank comes with.? It comes with a loach, a gold fish, and a shark Not sure what kind of? gold fish, shark or loach it is yet. > ? I was told that they would eat gold fish food, and what ever else floats in the water. What should I get as far as food for them ? I have peas, frozen brine, tropical flakes and algae wafers. is there anything else I would eventually need for the shark and loach?? I plan on re homing the gold fish and using the tank for my guppies. I hope the tank isn't real dirty but who knows as the person said she didn't have a pump to get the water out > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Adv ance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38162	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.

You need to properly ID the species of "shark" that you have... which by the way, are not really sharks, but tend to look a little like them so the wholesalers/retailers take advantage of that "look" to maybe get a better price. ;-) Most "shark" looking fish get pretty big and will not be able to be in either a 10G or the 30G tank. You also need to properly ID the loach as some loaches stay small (3" or so) and others grow quite large (12"++) and loaches should also be kept in shoals of at least three or more... five or more is even better. If you can post pictures of your "shark" and loach, one of use should be able to properly ID it for you and then we can direct you to proper care sheets for them so you'll know more about what the needs of your fish will be... or whether you can even keep them in the 30G tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happy Camper. I plan on re-homing the goldfish. I wonder would the shark fit in a 10 gal easily?  I haven't seen the size of it yet will see it today. Will have to get  at least one more snail and some blood worms  and possibly dried brine shrimp. The person I am getting the tank from has been feeding them all goldfish food. -----Original Message----- From: William <dreammaker2623@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 1:18 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happy Camper. That is a good start to re home the goldfish but if you start putting guppies in with the "shark" you might wind up feeding the shark with guppies.As to the loach, I would feed it meaty foods including live snails. I would advise against cleaning the gravel too well as you will wind up killing most of the good bacteria and you will wind up with a mini to medium cycle again. You are wise to bring as much water as you can with you so that you do not shock the fish with fresh and clean water.After you have it running for a week then you can start doing regular weekly 10 to 25% water changes and vac the gravel during the water changes. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I Joined a free cycle group where I live. I posted that I was wanting > a 30 gallon tank. With in 5 min I received an email saying that if I wanted to take the water out and take the fish that a re in the tank with me. I plan on taking some water jugs(as much as I have on me) and using some of the same water that the tank comes with.? It comes with a loach, a gold fish, and a shark Not sure what kind of? gold fish, shark or loach it is yet. > ? I was told that they would eat gold fish food, and what ever else > floats in the water. What should I get as far as food for them ? I have peas, frozen brine, tropical flakes and algae wafers. is there anything else I would eventually need for the shark and loach?? I plan on re homing the gold fish and using the tank for my guppies. I hope the tank isn't real dirty but who knows as the person said she didn't have a pump to get the water out

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38163	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: am a happy Camper.

that I will do. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 9:45 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happy Camper. You need to properly ID the species of "shark" that you have... which by the way, are not really sharks, but tend to look a little like them so the wholesalers/retailers take advantage of that "look" to maybe get a better price. ;-) Most "shark" looking fish get pretty big and will not be able to be in either a 10G or the 30G tank. You also need to properly ID the loach as some loaches stay small (3" or so) and others grow quite large (12"++) and loaches should also be kept in shoals of at least three or more... five or more is even better. If you can post pictures of your "shark" and loach, one of use should be able to properly ID it for you and then we can direct you to proper care sheets for them so you'll know more about what the needs of your fish will be... or whether you can even keep them in the 30G tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happ y Camper. I plan on re-homing the goldfish. I wonder would the shark fit in a 10 gal easily?  I haven't seen the size of it yet will see it today. Will have to get  at least one more snail and some blood worms  and possibly dried brine shrimp. The person I am getting the tank from has been feeding them all goldfish food. -----Original Message----- From: William <dreammaker2623@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 1:18 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: am a happy Camper. That is a good start to re home the goldfish but if you start putting guppies in with the "shark" you might wind up feeding the shark with guppies.As to the loach, I would feed it meaty foods including live snails. I would advise against cleaning the gravel too well as you will wind up killing most of the good bacteria and you will wind up with a mini to medium cycle again. You are wise to bring as much water as you can with you so that you do not shock the fish with fresh and clean water.After you have it running for a week then you can start doing regular weekly 10 to 25% water changes and vac the gravel during the water changes. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I Joined a free cycle group where I live. I posted that I was wanting > a 30 gallon tank. With in 5 min I received an email saying that if I wanted to take the water out and take the fish that a re in the tank with me. I plan o n taking some water jugs(as much as I have on me) and using some of the same water that the tank comes with.? It comes with a loach, a gold fish, and a shark Not sure what kind of? gold fish, shark or loach it is yet. > ? I was told that they would eat gold fish food, and what ever else > floats in the water. What should I get as far as food for them ? I have peas, frozen brine, tropical flakes and algae wafers. is there anything else I would eventually need for the shark and loach?? I plan on re homing the gold fish and using the tank for my guppies. I hope the tank isn't real dirty but who knows as the person said she didn't have a pump to get the water out ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38164	From: Gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

I keep Oto's in my lg community tank, I don't feed them anything specific. I usually feed my fish: blood worms, tropical flakes, and a few shrimp pellets. I have never actually witnessed my otto's eating. I assume they find whatever they can. They seem happy and fed with their little round bellies. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38165	From: Rich	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild caught, and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. With so long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they don't have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food.   Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive.   Rich   > Doesn't appear they are nocturnal.  I did try feeding them in the late > evening.    Don't think they care. > > Today one of the otos is dead (jammed behind a rock, don't know if that's > why he is dead or not) and another is too quiet.  Had the devil of a time > finding them.  I found my shrimp pellet in a different part of the tank > under a plastic plant, and it fell apart as I pulled it out.  Don't know > what happened to the algae pellet bits; don't see them still there.  Would > have been alot for the fish to eat.  But there are bits of this and that > everywhere.  Which there wren't two days ago.  I'm going to foul the tank > trying to get food into the otos! > > Does anyone have a solution to that problem? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > That's one of the reasons I had trouble keeping them alive too... Maybe > > try feeding closer to night time? I'm not sure if they are nocturnal or > > not. > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> If you aren't an otocinclus. I bought four of them, all doing great so > >> far. > >> Only they've got three-quarters of an algae wafer, in four pieces, and a > >> shrimp pellet, pretty much along the entire front of the tank - and every > >> OTHER fish in the tank is swarming over them. Especially the danios, who > >> have suddenly decided to be bottom feeders. The little Oto's can't get > >> near > >> them, and they're still hopping around cleaning the walls. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" > >> > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:33 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Which are cute and eat everything - otys or > >> corydorys? > >> > >> > Yes, Cory's do not do well with any salt, unless it's just a very small > >> > amount, I'm not sure about Oto's, perhaps someone else can clarify, I > >> > never managed to keep my Oto's alive, they were too finicky of eaters, > >> > IMO. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38166	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

"1g community tank"??? I hope there's supposed to be one or more zero's in there... not much of a community can fit in 1G... even my Cherry Shrimp would balk at that size tank. ;-) Or is that supposed to be "lg" as in large? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I keep Oto's in my lg community tank, I don't feed them anything specific. I usually feed my fish: blood worms, tropical flakes, and a few shrimp pellets. I have never actually witnessed my otto's eating. I assume they find whatever they can. They seem happy and fed with their little round bellies. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38167	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <njdevilshockey@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild caught, and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. With so long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they don't have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38168	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: OK, how do I feed the otos?

I tried feeding my otos the algae wafers and a shrimp pellet. They came apart, and made a huge mess. I just cleaned 50 tons of algae wafer and shrimp pellet remains from the tank. And it isn't like I fed more than one algae wafer and shrimp pellet. Meanwhle the otos are ignoring them, and they also ignored Ocean Nutrition formula 1, the one with alot of algae, and frozen brine shrimp. Both held right up to them. They are sitting on the heaters and heater cords, and cleaning the upper surfaces of the aquarium walls. What do I really feed tehm? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38169	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Gail, do you feed more food for the otos, or do you just feed the other fish and the otos get what's left over? I just made a royal mess of my tank with an algae pellet and a shrimp pellet. Waved brine shrimp and an Ocean Nutrition formula 2 flake right at them, and they turned up their oto little noses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I keep Oto's in my lg community tank, I don't feed them anything specific. I usually feed my fish: blood worms, tropical flakes, and a few shrimp pellets. I have never actually witnessed my otto's eating. I assume they find whatever they can. They seem happy and fed with their little round bellies. -gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38170	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?

Take a 5 or 10 gal. tank and grow algae on rocks? Keep changing rocks from one tank to the next? Some sunlight or keep the lights on 24 / 7 and make it bright as you can. I should think you could fatten them up like thanksgiving turkeys... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > I tried feeding my otos the algae wafers and a shrimp pellet. They came > apart, and made a huge mess. I just cleaned 50 tons of algae wafer and > shrimp pellet remains from the tank. And it isn't like I fed more than one > algae wafer and shrimp pellet. Meanwhle the otos are ignoring them, and > they also ignored Ocean Nutrition formula 1, the one with alot of algae, and > frozen brine shrimp. Both held right up to them. > > They are sitting on the heaters and heater cords, and cleaning the upper > surfaces of the aquarium walls. > > What do I really feed tehm? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38171	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

you put it in boiling water for about 2 min or so just don't cook it all the way done and then put it in ice water I believe -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <njdevilshockey@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild caught, and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. With so long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they don't have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. Rich ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((A>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38172	From: Gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

since my tank is so large; most of the time I have no clue where my Oto's are. They typically get what ever is left over. I do drop a few extra pellets for my bottom feeders; my pictus catfish, my Corys and my CAE. Either way, the food gets taken care of. And all fishies are happy. The only time I see my Oto's is when they are sucking on the front of the tank. -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38173	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <njdevilshockey@... > <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38174	From: gail	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Yes, LARGE >>> like 55 gallons :D -gail --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:36 AM "1g community tank"??? I hope there's supposed to be one or more zero's in there... not much of a community can fit in 1G... even my Cherry Shrimp would balk at that size tank. ;-) Or is that supposed to be "lg" as in large? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I keep Oto's in my lg community tank, I don't feed them anything specific. I usually feed my fish: blood worms, tropical flakes, and a few shrimp pellets. I have never actually witnessed my otto's eating. I assume they find whatever they can. They seem happy and fed with their little round bellies. -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38175	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38176	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Intro - Dani in ND

Oh boy! I had this post all typed out and it was tooo long, so I've started over - twice now. So I'll start out with a few smaller posts, lol. My name is Danielle but please call me Dani. I'm a military spouse living in ND with two fish tanks (10 gal and 30 gal), two dogs, 5 kids, and a very large glass bowl with two gold mystery snails from wally world. Questions: What the heck do aquatic snails eat? When do they need to be fed? Do they need a bubble stone or a filter or to have circulated water? I have some floating plants and two different plants rooted in the rocks - these are those pretty smooth round glass pebbles used in floral arrangements and not fish tank gravel in the bottom of the bowl. Does it need to have a top on it? The bowl was used for hermit crabs by a previous owner and is quite large around and is about 9 inches high. I cleaned it thoroughly before putting the snails, plants, and pebbles in it. So far they've eaten a few stalks of the floating plant (I don't have a problem with that) and will climb all over the rooted plants without eating them. I put an algae wafer in there and one went nuts all over it. They are fast too!!!!! Do they need darkness or sunlight? Will they escape from the bowl (so far they haven't, but I never know, lol.) Do they get along with other aquatic snails? (I've got two black mystery snails in the ten gallon tank and I never see them as they hide in the ship.) Thanks, Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38177	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh zucchini? Do I slice teh zucchini first? Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38178	From: Debra	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Try papaya! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jan1213@... Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:47:36 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX >_tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38179	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

My first guess would be that it's in the insides, most fish will leave the skin alone and eat the insides of the veggies that are soft. There's not too many veggies that have more goodness in the skin than they do on the inside ;) At least I don't think there is, LOL. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. > > I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are > VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside > teh > zucchini? > > Do I slice teh zucchini first? > > Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her > > In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that > will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier > to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to > leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that > 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>) > <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ > (mailto:njdevilshockey@... <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com>) > > > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > > caught, > > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them > home. > > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > > With so > > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > > don't > > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > > > Rich > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID> > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38180	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Oh forgot to answer about slicing the zucchini, most people will use a plant weight or something like that to hold the veggie down on the bottom of the tank, you can slice the zucchini so it's in a circle like you would do if you're going to fry it up in slices ;) Then use the plant weight or whatever you can find to hold it down, you can use some wire or a plastic zip tie to tie it to a decoration if you don't have any plant weights laying around the house ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > My first guess would be that it's in the insides, most fish will leave > the skin alone and eat the insides of the veggies that are soft. There's > not too many veggies that have more goodness in the skin than they do on > the inside ;) At least I don't think there is, LOL. > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. > > > > I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. > Zucchinis are > > VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside > > teh > > zucchini? > > > > Do I slice teh zucchini first? > > > > Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM > > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her > > > > In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > > > You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that > > will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier > > to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to > > leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that > > 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > > > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > > > > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>) > > <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ > > (mailto:njdevilshockey@... <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com>) > > > > > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > > > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that > they > > > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > > > caught, > > > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them > > home. > > > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > > > With so > > > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > > > don't > > > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > > > > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling > them to > > > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38181	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

I just nuke a single frozen slice for 10-20 seconds depending on size of slice and power of microwave oven. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos you put it in boiling water for about 2 min or so just don't cook it all the way done and then put it in ice water I believe -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <njdevilshockey@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild caught, and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. With so long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they don't have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38182	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Your goldfish doesn't like zucchini???? That's like finding a kid that doesn't like ice cream. ;-) I've never heard of that, either. lol Mine go crazy picking at the zucchini until all that is left is the rind. Are you blanching it first? You can also try other veggies. I got a left-over frozen bag of mixed veggie pieces when someone was evacuating for the hurricanes last summer and my goldfish would eat all of the mixed veggies (peas, of course, corn, lima beans, carrots, etc.) leaving the carrot cubes for last. I think I needed to blanche the carrots longer since they were still kind of hard compared to how easy the other veggies would blanche/cook down quickly. For the lima beans, I'd take a knife and slice them in half to break the skin and make them a little smaller. Here's a forum full of threads on what others feed their goldfish... http://thegoldfishandaquariumboard.yuku.com/forums/3/t/The-Goldfish-Diner.ht ml And a couple of long article with LOTS of links to other goldfish feeding articles. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/Food.html http://thegab.org/Articles/GoldfishNutrition1.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38183	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: got my new to me Tank today

The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38184	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I forgot to add that I am floating a new filter cartridge while using the old one. The old one is very messed up and has algae growing on that even it seems. -----Original Message----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 7:36 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] got my new to me Tank today The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , ..·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38185	From: darlene	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

my goldfish don’t like zucchini either !!! will have to try some papaya one day J are there any other veggies that are good for goldfish, banjo catfish and otos ? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 mars 2009 19:32 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos Your goldfish doesn't like zucchini???? That's like finding a kid that doesn't like ice cream. ;-) I've never heard of that, either. lol Mine go crazy picking at the zucchini until all that is left is the rind. Are you blanching it first? You can also try other veggies. I got a left-over frozen bag of mixed veggie pieces when someone was evacuating for the hurricanes last summer and my goldfish would eat all of the mixed veggies (peas, of course, corn, lima beans, carrots, etc.) leaving the carrot cubes for last. I think I needed to blanche the carrots longer since they were still kind of hard compared to how easy the other veggies would blanche/cook down quickly. For the lima beans, I'd take a knife and slice them in half to break the skin and make them a little smaller. Here's a forum full of threads on what others feed their goldfish... http://thegoldfishandaquariumboard.yuku.com/forums/3/t/The-Goldfish-Diner.ht ml And a couple of long article with LOTS of links to other goldfish feeding articles. http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/Food.html http://thegab.org/Articles/GoldfishNutrition1.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@... <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com> ) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying that though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to rebuild if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when feeding fish antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's why humans often get diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system of fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank of treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do not recommend this for humans. LOL The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a natural part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about it when feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices that I buy for 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used to grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve spraying some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh zucchini? Do I slice teh zucchini first? Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38187	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water line. But man is that tank heavy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38188	From: RPI	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

I use vinegar...I soak them and then it just wipes off. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] What is best to get reid of hard water deposits? The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water line. But man is that tank heavy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38189	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?

That occurred to me. I"m off to the creek tomorrow to gather some stones with algae. I'll make another underwater algae garden. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OK, how do I feed the otos? Take a 5 or 10 gal. tank and grow algae on rocks? Keep changing rocks from one tank to the next? Some sunlight or keep the lights on 24 / 7 and make it bright as you can. I should think you could fatten them up like thanksgiving turkeys... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > I tried feeding my otos the algae wafers and a shrimp pellet. They came > apart, and made a huge mess. I just cleaned 50 tons of algae wafer and > shrimp pellet remains from the tank. And it isn't like I fed more than one > algae wafer and shrimp pellet. Meanwhle the otos are ignoring them, and > they also ignored Ocean Nutrition formula 1, the one with alot of algae, > and > frozen brine shrimp. Both held right up to them. > > They are sitting on the heaters and heater cords, and cleaning the upper > surfaces of the aquarium walls. > > What do I really feed tehm? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38190	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Test Message for "a" coding inside

Thanks for explaining about Yahoo mail - some very funny things have been happening for the last few days. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Feel free to send me the screen shot but, it's likely something going on with reading Yahoo Mail on the internet and/or getting your group email in HTML format, rather than plain text. Last but not least, Yahoo has been sending out warnings for the past week that they were going to be doing a lot of work on Yahoo Mail so there could be some problems related to their "improvements". I've seen that capital A with a fancy character next to it in other emails in the past and I think it's something to do with the way certain email readers render, or rather mis-render, either HTML or Rich Text formats. To fix either or both of these issues about the way you receive group email, go to the group's home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquaticlife and sign in. Near the top of the page on the first line under the Yahoo banner ad, you'll see a link called "Edit Membership". Click on that link and on that page, you will find where you can change your settings to either Individual or Daily Digest, etc., and then either "Fully Featured" (which is Yahoo's verbiage for "HTML with lots of other crap" or you can choose Traditional which does not include all the other crap. I receive ALL of my various YGroup's email in Traditional format and some as Individual emails and others as Daily Digests. I ALWAYS read email in plain text ONLY unless I feel the need to convert it to HTML to see any "pretty pictures" that might be embedded in the HTML, like my email from Hugh Hefner. ;-) LOL Just kidding... I'm not on his email list any longer. Lastly, in your email reader, you have settings to read your email in either plain text or HTML. I choose plain text with Outlook 2003 as my email client. Then, if an email is received in HTML, I can choose to convert it to HTML on a case by case basis. This is a much safer way of receiving email since receiving any/all email in HTML allows spammers or others to not only find out if/when you opened the SPAM but it is also a possible way of injecting malicious code that could attack your computer. There are some emails that I get in HTML but I receive them in HTML and then click on the information bar in OL2003 and convert it to HTML but only after I know that the email is from a source that I reasonably trust. I NEVER allow HTML mail from unknown sources and certainly NOT from a spammer that might make it through my Gmail and other spam filtering protocols. OK.. enough geek speak. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Hi Len, Can send you a screen shot direct if you ok it? Message was a mess. bill --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 1:33 PM Where are you seeing a capital "a"? I looked at your last reply to Amber and the "A" in "Amber" was the only capital "a" that I saw. Have you been hitting the bottle again? LOL But on a side note... remember... I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Test Message for "a" coding inside Mail seems to have capital "a" inserted into messages??? bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38191	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

So I should smear the zucchini with fish poop? Rub lactobacilli on it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying that though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to rebuild if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when feeding fish antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's why humans often get diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system of fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank of treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do not recommend this for humans. LOL The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a natural part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about it when feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices that I buy for 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used to grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve spraying some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh zucchini? Do I slice teh zucchini first? Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38192	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Eww, there went my appetite for dinner ;) I should read my group messages after dinner I guess ;) LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > So I should smear the zucchini with fish poop? Rub lactobacilli on it? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except > for otos > > I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying that > though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to rebuild > if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when feeding fish > antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's why humans > often get > diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. > > One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system of > fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank of > treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do not > recommend this for humans. LOL > > The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a natural > part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about it when > feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices that I > buy for > 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used to > grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... > and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while > waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve spraying > some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except > for otos > > But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. > > I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are > > VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh > > zucchini? > > Do I slice teh zucchini first? > > Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her > > In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that > will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier > to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to > leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that > 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>) > <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ > (mailto:njdevilshockey@... <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com>) > > > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > > caught, > > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them > home. > > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > > With so > > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > > don't > > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > > > Rich > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38193	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

Like someone else already said. A rag with vinegar (pickling vinegar is even stronger) will soften/remove hard water deposits. If you have fish in the tank, then lower the water level by several inches so you can keep the vinegar dampened rag from going into the water. Any residue of vinegar left on the glass is no problem but you do NOT want vinegar dripping into the water as it could lower the pH too much, too fast. Do NOT try to move around a full tank. They are NOT designed to withstand moving them when full and could suffer catastrophic damage. The most I've ever tried moving a tank with was an inch or so of gravel in the bottom and just barely enough water to cover the gravel to keep it wet to help keep the good bacteria alive during transport for a short distance... like to another room or a nearby move. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] What is best to get reid of hard water deposits? The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water line. But man is that tank heavy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

If your fish are already in a tank with healthy fish, then the poop and bacteria is already in the tank. And NO... I never said anything about smearing the food with fish poop. IF... and I said only IF... a tank was treated with antibiotics or all of the fish were fed antibiotic food, then taking some fish poop from an untreated tank will help to restore the digestive flora (bacteria, etc.). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos So I should smear the zucchini with fish poop? Rub lactobacilli on it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying that though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to rebuild if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when feeding fish antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's why humans often get diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system of fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank of treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do not recommend this for humans. LOL The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a natural part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about it when feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices that I buy for 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used to grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve spraying some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh zucchini? Do I slice teh zucchini first? Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38195	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

While floating a cartridge is OK.. it's only going to do a bare minimum amount of good. You should put the cartridge in the filter reservoir next to the existing cartridge and also rub the existing cartridge on the new cartridge media to transfer some of the good bacteria.... or better yet, just re-use the current cartridge. They last for years and years. See my long article about proper "Filter Maintenance and Cleaning" on my blog for details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] got my new to me Tank today I forgot to add that I am floating a new filter cartridge while using the old one. The old one is very messed up and has algae growing on that even it seems. -----Original Message----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 7:36 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] got my new to me Tank today The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38196	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

I emptied the water first. Just left the gravel and decorations in place as I had nothing with me to put it in. I got the heater cleaned off and plugged in as the gold fish seems used to having it. I can hardly wait to get the goldfish to its new home. that should happen in about 2 weeks ---- the tank, then lower the water level by several inches so you can keep the vinegar dampened rag from going into the water. Any residue of vinegar left on the glass is no problem but you do NOT want vinegar dripping into the water as it could lower the pH too much, too fast. Do NOT try to move around a full tank. They are NOT designed to withstand moving them when full and could suffer catastrophic damage. The most I've ever tried moving a tank with was an inch or so of gravel in the bottom and just barely enough water to cover the gravel to keep it wet to help keep the good bacteria alive during transport for a short distance... like to another room or a nearby move. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] What is best to get reid of hard water deposits? The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water line. But man is that tank heavy ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38197	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Awww... just go fix a nice glass of milk... chocolate milk! ;-) LOL On a side note, I just saw a commercial on Fox News Channel about Pillips ProBiotics... a pill they are selling to encourage proper "digestive health". For our fish, just put a piece of fish poop from a healthy tank and all the good bacteria will get into the water of the tank that needs it. Heck, if you have goldfish, they'll even take a bite of it before spitting it out... thinking, EWWWW.. that food tastes like SIT!... but that will get some of the good bacteria into their systems even faster. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos Eww, there went my appetite for dinner ;) I should read my group messages after dinner I guess ;) LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > So I should smear the zucchini with fish poop? Rub lactobacilli on it? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except > for otos > > I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying > that though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to > rebuild if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when > feeding fish antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's > why humans often get diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. > > One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system > of fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank > of treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do > not recommend this for humans. LOL > > The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a > natural part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about > it when feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices > that I buy for > 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used > to grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... > and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while > waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve > spraying some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except > for otos > > But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. > > I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis > are > > VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside > teh > > zucchini? > > Do I slice teh zucchini first? > > Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for > otos > > My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her > > In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, > that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are > easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may > have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take > longer that > 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. > > Did you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>) > <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ > (mailto:njdevilshockey@... <mailto:njdevilshockey%40yahoo.com>) > > > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that > > they liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are > > wild caught, and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time > > you bring them > home. > > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > > With so > > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, > > they don't have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling > > them to digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > > > Rich >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38198	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

White vinegar, and the pickling kind is stronger, hence works better. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, RPI <reddingpi@...> wrote: > I use vinegar...I soak them and then it just wipes off. :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <toddswoman496861@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:34 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] What is best to get reid of hard water deposits? > > The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new > hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the > tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water > line. But man is that tank heavy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3936 (20090313) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38199	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: What is best to get reid of hard water deposits?

Lenny's excellent answer was in my spam folder for some reaso... Or I would not have sent this in... On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > White vinegar, and the pickling kind is stronger, hence works better. > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, RPI <reddingpi@...> wrote: >> I use vinegar...I soak them and then it just wipes off. :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <toddswoman496861@...> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:34 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] What is best to get reid of hard water deposits? >> >> The ones remaining are on the filter, and the hood. Might have to get a new >> hood and filter. I got the paint from the kids pictures that were on the >> tank scraped off. I plan on taking the algae off that is above the water >> line. But man is that tank heavy >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 3936 (20090313) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38200	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: OK, how do I feed the otos?

Otocinclus cats are herbivores that don't have problem switching up their diets when it suits them, don't worry yet. Now when they start eating the other food that's when you worry. Also Oto's are nocturnal, and kinda shy, but I'm willing to bet that when the other fish are done eating then your oto's are right their to clean up the mess. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > I tried feeding my otos the algae wafers and a shrimp pellet. They came > apart, and made a huge mess. I just cleaned 50 tons of algae wafer and > shrimp pellet remains from the tank. And it isn't like I fed more than one > algae wafer and shrimp pellet. Meanwhle the otos are ignoring them, and > they also ignored Ocean Nutrition formula 1, the one with alot of algae, and > frozen brine shrimp. Both held right up to them. > > They are sitting on the heaters and heater cords, and cleaning the upper > surfaces of the aquarium walls. > > What do I really feed tehm? > > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38201	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Intro - Dani in ND

Snails are the least picky animal in the animal kingdom, so to answer you questions they will eat anything, they won't escape, the only time they leave the water is to lay eggs, if you have plant then you don't need an air stone as a matter of fact I recently emptied out a 29 Tank and it has about 3 inches of water some gravel and algae and snails, they eat the algae, no heat no light no nothing except the room lights at night, and they just keep going. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dbrown1973@..." <dbrown1973@...> wrote: > > Oh boy! I had this post all typed out and it was tooo long, so I've started over - twice now. > > So I'll start out with a few smaller posts, lol. > > My name is Danielle but please call me Dani. I'm a military spouse living in ND with two fish tanks (10 gal and 30 gal), two dogs, 5 kids, and a very large glass bowl with two gold mystery snails from wally world. > > Questions: What the heck do aquatic snails eat? When do they need to be fed? Do they need a bubble stone or a filter or to have circulated water? I have some floating plants and two different plants rooted in the rocks - these are those pretty smooth round glass pebbles used in floral arrangements and not fish tank gravel in the bottom of the bowl. Does it need to have a top on it? The bowl was used for hermit crabs by a previous owner and is quite large around and is about 9 inches high. I cleaned it thoroughly before putting the snails, plants, and pebbles in it. So far they've eaten a few stalks of the floating plant (I don't have a problem with that) and will climb all over the rooted plants without eating them. I put an algae wafer in there and one went nuts all over it. They are fast too!!!!! Do they need darkness or sunlight? Will they escape from the bowl (so far they haven't, but I never know, lol.) Do they get along with other aquatic snails? (I've got two black mystery snails in the ten gallon tank and I never see them as they hide in the ship.) > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38202	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38203	From: Gail	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I am going to agree... don't get a Chinese Algae Eater. I have one, and he is a pain in the butt!!! Keep it simple and keep it small. Oto's are a nice choice, you can have a bunch and they stay small. How many gallons is the new setup? -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38204	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have spots on them  and when grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a home for them already if they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need be, when they are full grown. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`· ..¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38205	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

30 -----Original Message----- From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:13 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today I am going to agree... don't get a Chinese Algae Eater. I have one, and he is a pain in the butt!!! Keep it simple and keep it small. Oto's are a nice choice, you can have a bunch and they stay small. How many gallons is the new setup? -gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38206	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even that's pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause health issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most others that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco (around 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have spots on them  and when grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a home for them already if they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need be, when they are full grown. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish that are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38207	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get some drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift wood if i cant get any? -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even that's pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause health issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most others that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco (around 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have spots on them  and when grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a home for them already if they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need be, when they are full grown. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th at are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38208	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and most of them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, etc. Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some prohibit the removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't want to advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws kind of like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife Agent stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the environment. LOL I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with links to other sources as well, and you can also do a search of the messages here at the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing driftwood many times. Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long time ago but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a member of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their eBay link. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get some drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift wood if i cant get any? -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even that's pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause health issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most others that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco (around 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have spots on them  and when grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a home for them already if they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need be, when they are full grown. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th at are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38209	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine bought it and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and most of them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, etc. Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some prohibit the removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't want to advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws kind of like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife Agent stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the environment. LOL I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with links to other sources as we ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing driftwood many times. Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long time ago but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a member of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their eBay link. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get some drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift wood if i cant get any? -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even that's pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause health issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most others that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco (around 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have spots on them  and when grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho me for them already if they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need be, when they are full grown. -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay small and aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each other. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > home soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th at are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as well. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38210	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: about tanks in general

I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's true why? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38211	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

You can but, its a lot more work involved. First you have to remove all traces of salt and all the salt deposits, which are not only harmful to the fish but, its ugly to look at. But, saltwater has other elements that have to be removed, like strontium and iodine to name a couple. So it's definitely possible but, stressfull and more attention has to payed to water quality. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's true why? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38212	From: flohk13@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

I purchased a used tank that previously held saltwater and made it into a freshwater tank. It was running for over two year as a SW, and mine has been running for about 8 months without issue. I had to scrape a lot of the coraline growth off and give it a good cleaning, but that was it. -----Original Message----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 3:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's true why? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38213	From: bill1433	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? Just a thought.................................... Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM > I heard from someone that one can > change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't > change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is > this and if it's true why? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38214	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

What kind of fish do you plan on putting in the tank? After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) LOL. toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine bought it > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and > most of > them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, etc. > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some > prohibit the > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't > want to > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws kind of > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife Agent > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the environment. > LOL > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with links to > other sources as we > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing driftwood many times. > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long > time ago > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a member > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their eBay > link. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get > some > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed > something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift > wood if i cant get any? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not > support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even > that's > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause > health > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most > others > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco > (around > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have spots on them and when > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > me for them already if they grow too > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need > be, when > they are full grown. > > -----Original Message----- > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay > small and > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each > other. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > > home > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th > at > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as > well. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38215	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

I also purchased an old 125 gallon tank that was a saltwater tank for many years, so it had quite a build up of salt deposits. I had to soak it in hot water several times, then use vinegar to get the really hard to get stuff off of the glass. Took a bit of elbow grease but I love the tank and it was worth it. Amber flohk13@... wrote: > > > I purchased a used tank that previously held saltwater and made it > into a freshwater tank. It was running for over two year as a SW, and > mine has been running for about 8 months without issue. > > I had to scrape a lot of the coraline growth off and give it a good > cleaning, but that was it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 3:15 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > > I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt > water tank > but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true > is this > and if it's true why? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38216	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

I'm thinking they were asking about re-using an old tank... I don't think it's possible to slowly change a tank from one to the other, it'd require a complete breakdown and cleaning before switching from one type to the other. If I'm wrong about what was implied please let me know, LOL Brain is still fuzzy from my cold, Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? > Just a thought.................................... > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM > > I heard from someone that one can > > change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't > > change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is > > this and if it's true why? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38217	From: RPI	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

Either way, you should start with fresh water in both instances.:) Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? Just a thought.................................... Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM > I heard from someone that one can > change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't > change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is > this and if it's true why? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38218	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

R/O ? as to cleaning the tank, thats another matter... ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? Just a thought.................................... Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM > I heard from someone that one can > change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't > change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is > this and if it's true why? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38219	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

Hard to remove all the salt, but I am more perplexed as to how they get the tracks and armament on them. I overheard a discussion the other day between two goldfish in a tank, one said to the other you drive and I will man the gun. Whats life coming too!!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's true why? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38220	From: bill1433	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I never saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 foot range! Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one standard size? HUGE? Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > What kind of fish do you plan on > putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > such as mystery > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > for one of the > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > sale and she has > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > to help you > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > name ;) LOL. > > > > toddswoman496861@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > mine bought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is > OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > kinds of laws kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > up the environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood, with links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > might even be a member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > in with their eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > it. I couldnt find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of > algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > 2x4 do for the drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > A 30G tank would not > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or > so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > for a 30G tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > also produce lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > actually need to eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have > spots on them  and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > me for them already if they grow too > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > all, I would try to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > may be towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > well. What fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > on the sides off as > > well. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38221	From: pam andress	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Thanks Amber. lol Yes I have both for sale and do ship. You can also find others on aquabid.com Pam/ucdxmisty(on aquabid) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:31:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today What kind of fish do you plan on putting in the tank? After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) LOL. toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine bought it > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and > most of > them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, etc. > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some > prohibit the > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't > want to > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws kind of > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife Agent > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the environment. > LOL > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with links to > other sources as we > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing driftwood many times. > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long > time ago > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a member > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their eBay > link. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get > some > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed > something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift > wood if i cant get any? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not > support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even > that's > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause > health > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most > others > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco > (around > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have spots on them and when > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > me for them already if they grow too > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need > be, when > they are full grown. > > -----Original Message----- > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay > small and > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each > other. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > > home > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th > at > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used is hard water.? I got > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as > well. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38222	From: pam andress	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY different plecos. Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of these don't get that big and they love algae. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: warrenprint@... Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I never saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 foot range! Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one standard size? HUGE? Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > What kind of fish do you plan on > putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > such as mystery > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > for one of the > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > sale and she has > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > to help you > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > name ;) LOL. > > > > toddswoman496861@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > mine bought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is > OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > kinds of laws kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > up the environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood, with links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > might even be a member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > in with their eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > it. I couldnt find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > 2x4 do for the drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > A 30G tank would not > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or > so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > for a 30G tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > also produce lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > actually need to eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > spots on them and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > me for them already if they grow too > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > all, I would try to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > may be towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > well. What fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > on the sides off as > > well. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38223	From: jett07002	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Hi Bill: I always use Hikari products. Never had a problem with them yet. A well balance meal full of nutrition is what I like for my fish, but, just like me, doesn't mean I do not want something constantly. Break it up with something else once in the while. joe t quaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > http://www.hikariusa.com currently has, and almost always has, an ad for a > free sample of one of their products. Get a free sample of the one they > suggested and see how your fish like them. You have to fill out a form, > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of dollars worth of food for a > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps nowadays... I haven't used > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my common pleco (part of > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left since I have also been > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new little Clown Pleco. While > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or Tetra, many of their > products still have a high percentage of wheat/flour/meal based ingredients. > As I run out of products that are high in wheat/flour/meal, I have been > buying new products that have better ingredients that are more natural for > fish. I don't know how many fish in the wild eat wheat/flour/meal based > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at least that is ground > up fish so that, technically, would be something that other fish eat in the > wild. > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of quality foods rather than > relying on only one brand/product all of the time. > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that would only want to eat > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, it was hamburgers.. > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". ;-) (For you > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye comics/cartoons > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Wellington_Wimpy and I didn't know his full > name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  I am rising some > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I am feeding some Tetra > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  They are eating but > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths and they wait until > they are water logged to eat them. >   > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back suggesting their > "Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is meant to be a daily > diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now I am taking this > statement as, that's all I need to feed them, and that just does not sound > right. >   > Now its not that I don't believe them, but I have no experience with any of > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, I've waited along time > to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping Blue Rams in general > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, I'd like to hear from > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. >  Bill >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38224	From: ldw1123	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: water testers

Okay, I've started water change, big step for an ol' timer set in his way. Today two aquarium magazines showed up in the mail. While glancing through them I saw am add for "digital testers" for saltwater set ups. My question is do they make such testers for freshwater or can I use the saltwater tester? I would think it would take different testers for each type of water due to the chemical differences of the water types. Larry Kansas City

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38225	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

A full water change? And while it's empty, do a full cleaning as others have recommended. Below is an article on buying used tanks which also covers some cleaning, etc. It does mention that it's OK to go from Salt to Fresh but be more careful going from Fresh to Salt unless you know the history of the tank. There are meds that are commonly used in a FW tank where the meds can soak into the silicone and then leach out into the SW tank causing MAJOR health problems and even death. http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8645 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? Just a thought.................................... Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM I heard from someone that one > can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change > a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's > true why?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38226	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

LOL. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general Hard to remove all the salt, but I am more perplexed as to how they get the tracks and armament on them. I overheard a discussion the other day between two goldfish in a tank, one said to the other you drive and I will man the gun. Whats life coming too!!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general I heard from someone that one can change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is this and if it's true why? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38227	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Well, the most common plecos for many years were usually two or three different species, all commonly referred to in the stores as "Common Plecos", all of which grow HUGE. The possible reason that you never saw them grow HUGE (well over 16" and up to 24") is that they were severely stunted from being in an undersized tank all or most of their lives. Like the Liposarcus Pardalis that I adopted back in 2005 (pre-Katrina). He was only 4" long after two years in a 10G tank. After moving him to a 65G tank (48"x18"), he started growing by leaps and bounds and grew to 10" in the next 18 months before I had to rehome him since I couldn't get my larger tanks like I had planned before Katrina hit. If he would have stayed in that 10G or even a 20G or 30G, he would never reach his full potential. Common plecos need to have at least 75G of water volume for themselves due to the body mass of these fish and the amount of food they need and poop they produce. Anything less will require VERY frequent PWC's and tank maintenance to maintain water quality. There are many dwarf varieties available today and I got my Clown Pleco (around 4") for around $3.00 last year where the Bristlenose Pleco at the same LFS was over $10.00. These two seem to be the most common dwarf varieties that I see down here and mentioned in forums as they are both very good algae eaters. Not all plecos are prolific algae eaters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I never saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 foot range! Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one standard size? HUGE? Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM What kind of fish do you plan > on putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as > mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for > one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she > has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help > you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) > LOL. > > > > toddswoman496861@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > mine bought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is > OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > kinds of laws kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > up the environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood, with links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > might even be a member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > in with their eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > it. I couldnt find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of > algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > 2x4 do for the drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > A 30G tank would not > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or > so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > for a 30G tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > also produce lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > actually need to eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have > spots on them  and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho me for them already if they > > grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > all, I would try to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > may be towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > well. What fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > on the sides off as > > well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38228	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers

The digital testers for each water parameter can be very expensive. Most SW fish tank owners use the manual/test tube type master test kits, similar to what we FW keepers use as they are much more cost effective.... and just as accurate in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ldw1123 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] water testers Okay, I've started water change, big step for an ol' timer set in his way. Today two aquarium magazines showed up in the mail. While glancing through them I saw am add for "digital testers" for saltwater set ups. My question is do they make such testers for freshwater or can I use the saltwater tester? I would think it would take different testers for each type of water due to the chemical differences of the water types. Larry Kansas City

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38229	From: Stephanie	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Help Needed

Hello everyone, I am in need of advise on something here? maybe you can help? I am adopting my first Turtle. A little about his story, he was neglected by his previous owners, he is in bad shape. but I am going to give him his forever home. what I need is advise on care etc you may have for me I want to make his life better filled with proper care and love. Can you help? Thank you Stephanie In Michigan

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38230	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

to change from fresh to salt or salt to fresh is easy. As lenny always preaches water changes. If you do partial water changes each way it will slowly move from salt to fresh. It is done fairly commonly with some shrimp breeders or some people who have nerites or can be used with some livebearers. I wouldn't try keeping soft water species in it right away but rift lakecichlids would to great in a tank that may have some salt deposits that weren't completely cleeand off or their are limescale or coraline algea left in the tank Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38231	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Do you know what kind of turtle? RES (Red Ear Slider) is a common type and are kind of easily identified by their reddish-orange ears. In general, those cute little 1" to 2" turtles grow HUGE with the RES growing to the size of a dinner plat (9" to 12" diameter). Because of this, they NEED BIG tanks. A 55G would be the smallest to start with while the turtle is still small.. probably up to 6" in diameter, but a MUCH larger tank would be needed for it to reach full size. The tank would need very good filtration and LOTS of tank maintenance, filter maintenance and PWC's (partial water changes) to keep the ecology of the tank from becoming foul. Turtles are big eaters and poopers... as are most big fish/critters. Once you let us know what species you have, I can direct you to some better websites but here's a couple of generalized turtle care sites that I have in my favorites folder. The bottom two links are to specialized Turtle Forums, not that I want you to leave us but since you mention the turtle is in bad shape, the folks at those forums might be able to give you better advise since I'm not sure how many turtle keepers we have in the group. We only talk about them on occasion. http://www.chelonia.org/index.htm http://www.sdturtle.org/ http://www.wnyherp.org/care-sheets/turtles/ http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/sliderfaqs.htm http://www.happyturtlespub.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=ae72a8906d9b5344ba788 7d12a973d9f;www http://redearslider.com/forum/index.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Help Needed Hello everyone, I am in need of advise on something here? maybe you can help? I am adopting my first Turtle. A little about his story, he was neglected by his previous owners, he is in bad shape. but I am going to give him his forever home. what I need is advise on care etc you may have for me I want to make his life better filled with proper care and love. Can you help? Thank you Stephanie In Michigan

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38232	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos

Well, I put two pieces of zucchini in the tank yesterday afternoon, rubber banded to a rock, adn only one of them ever went near it. This afternoon I found that it had sprouted a nice crop of water mold. This afternoon I went to the creek, got some rocks with algae, cleaned off the macrocritters, and put one in the tank, and so far, they're ignoring it as well. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos If your fish are already in a tank with healthy fish, then the poop and bacteria is already in the tank. And NO... I never said anything about smearing the food with fish poop. IF... and I said only IF... a tank was treated with antibiotics or all of the fish were fed antibiotic food, then taking some fish poop from an untreated tank will help to restore the digestive flora (bacteria, etc.). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos So I should smear the zucchini with fish poop? Rub lactobacilli on it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos I don't think it was me that said that. I do recall someone saying that though. The digestive fauna/flora might die off and would need to rebuild if a fish is starved for too long. This also happens when feeding fish antibiotic/antibacterial foods... and humans too. It's why humans often get diarrhea when taking strong antibiotics. One way to restore this digestive flora/fauna to the digestive system of fish is to add some fish poop from a non-treated fish into the tank of treated fish tank once the antibiotics are removed. Of course, I do not recommend this for humans. LOL The "wax" on zucchini isn't really wax. As far as I know, it's a natural part of the plant and I've never bothered to do anything about it when feeding my fish but then, I feed mine frozen zucchini slices that I buy for 99 cents a pound for the store label brand. One of my neighbors used to grow zucchini and even the backyard grown zucchini had that sheen to it... and I never saw my neighbor polishing the zucchini every weekend while waxing the car. If the distribution of fresh veggies does involve spraying some kind of shiny product on them, I'm guessing it's edible. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos But Lennie said I specifically want to feed them bacteria. I just got home with two small zucchinis and half a carrot. Zucchinis are VERY well waxed. Is this bacteria supposed to be in the skin or inside teh zucchini? Do I slice teh zucchini first? Jan, we're talking about feeding some fussy otocincluses. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan1213@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos My goldfish does not like zuchini.... what else can I feed her In a message dated 3/16/2009 3:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: You drop the veggie into a pot of boiling water for 10-20 seconds, that will kill the bacteria and soften up the veggies so that they are easier to eat for the fish. The harder the veggie the longer you may have to leave it sitting in the boiling water, but it shouldn't take longer that 45 seconds to a minute, and that may be overkill ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Oh. OK. I'll pick up some zuchinni on the way home from the bank. Did > you say to blanche it? Will that kill the bacteria? > > Exactly how do you blanche zuchini? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > _tiggernut24@tiggernut_ (mailto:tiggernut24@...) <mailto:tiggernut24mailto:timai> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <_njdevilshockey@njdevilsh_ (mailto:njdevilshockey@...) > <mailto:njdevilshocmailto:njdevmai>> > To: <_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: It's pah-tee time! Except for otos > > I recently read something very interesting about Otos. I knew that they > liked blanched veggies. BUT...they largely eat algae. They are wild > caught, > and often haven't eaten much if anything by the time you bring them home. > Their little guts contain bacteria that enables them to digest food. > With so > long between meals, this bacteria dies. So, even though they eat, they > don't > have the bacteria inside to properly digest the food. > > Blanched veggies like zucchini contains these bacteria, enabling them to > digest algae, and making them much easier to keep alive. > > Rich ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38233	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers

they do make water testers for pH and a few other things that are digital, drsfostersmith.com has some listed if you want to take a peek and see hat's available for freshwater digital testers, but beware, they are spendy. Amber ldw1123 wrote: > > Okay, > > I've started water change, big step for an ol' timer set in his way. > Today two aquarium magazines showed up in the mail. While glancing > through them I saw am add for "digital testers" for saltwater set ups. > My question is do they make such testers for freshwater or can I use > the saltwater tester? I would think it would take different testers > for each type of water due to the chemical differences of the water types. > > Larry > Kansas City > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38235	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

I'm no turtle expert but from all I've read over the years, I believe the YBS grows to around the same size and needs similar requirements to the RES. From a quick reading, the YBS scientific name is Trachemys scripta scripta and the RES species name is Trachemys scripta elegans so they are VERY close relatives. Do a Google search on the scientific name, Trachemys scripta scripta, and you will find lots of reading. I see a couple of hits from the University of Michigan, as well as the usual Wikipedia but also hits to pages on the websites that I already gave you. Unless someone chimes in soon with experience in treating sick turtles, also join those two turtle forums and post your details there also. They should both have a "Hospital" or "Sick Turtle" forum where the more experienced members will monitor and come to a quick rescue... hopefully! I hope you guy/gal does well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed yellow bellied slider

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38236	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I remember one, owned by Ginny Eckstein, that made her 125 gallon tank look small. I don't remember what she did with him, however. Maybe, if I see her this weekend, I'll remember to ask her about that fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Well, the most common plecos for many years were usually two or three > different species, all commonly referred to in the stores as "Common > Plecos", all of which grow HUGE. The possible reason that you never saw > them grow HUGE (well over 16" and up to 24") is that they were severely > stunted from being in an undersized tank all or most of their lives. > > Like the Liposarcus Pardalis that I adopted back in 2005 (pre-Katrina). He > was only 4" long after two years in a 10G tank. After moving him to a 65G > tank (48"x18"), he started growing by leaps and bounds and grew to 10" in > the next 18 months before I had to rehome him since I couldn't get my larger > tanks like I had planned before Katrina hit. If he would have stayed in > that 10G or even a 20G or 30G, he would never reach his full potential. > > Common plecos need to have at least 75G of water volume for themselves due > to the body mass of these fish and the amount of food they need and poop > they produce. Anything less will require VERY frequent PWC's and tank > maintenance to maintain water quality. > > There are many dwarf varieties available today and I got my Clown Pleco > (around 4") for around $3.00 last year where the Bristlenose Pleco at the > same LFS was over $10.00. These two seem to be the most common dwarf > varieties that I see down here and mentioned in forums as they are both very > good algae eaters. Not all plecos are prolific algae eaters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I never > saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > foot range! Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as > one standard size? HUGE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM What kind of fish do you plan > > on putting in the tank? > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as > > mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for > > one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she > > has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help > > you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > for the pleco and > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > sometime and > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > mine bought it > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > control. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > some degree and > > > most of > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is > > OLD wood. > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > free in a local > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > as some > > > prohibit the > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > since I don't > > > want to > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > kinds of laws kind of > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > you pick up that > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > man's trash is another > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > up the environment. > > > LOL > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood, with links to > > > other sources as we > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > at > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood many times. > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > time ago > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > driftwood at a > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > might even be a member > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > in with their eBay > > > link. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > it. I couldnt find any > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > might slim. will get > > > some > > > drift wood  for it . Right now with the load of > > algae in there needed > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > cats that love to > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > Tank20today > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > A 30G tank would not > > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or > > so... and even > > > that's > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > be rehomed or it > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > start to cause > > > health > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > for a 30G tank and > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > plecos, and most > > > others > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > They need a constant > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > also produce lots of > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > a Clown Pleco > > > (around > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > also have a piece of > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > actually need to eat wood > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > hide. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > to any articles referenced > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under > > > Labels and > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos  I got. They have > > spots on them  and when > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho me for them already if they > > > grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > them if need > > > be, when > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > all, I would try to get > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > which all stay > > > small and > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > may be towards each > > > other. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > will soon have a new > > > > home > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > ornamentation and > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > well. What fish th > > > at > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > of getting about 3 > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > is hard water.? I got > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > on the sides off as > > > well. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38237	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get  above the water line.  That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get one. -----Original Message----- From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY different plecos. Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of these don't get that big and they love algae. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: warrenprint@... Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I never saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 foot range! Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one standard size? HUGE? Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > What kind of fish do you plan on > putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > such as mystery > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > for one of the > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > sale and she has > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > to help you > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > name ;) LOL. > > > > toddswoman496861@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > mine bought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e tc., and is > OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > kinds of laws kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > up the environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood, with links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > driftwood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > might even be a member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > in with their eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > it. I couldnt find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > 2x4 do for the drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > A 30G tank would not > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > for a 30G tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > also produce lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > actually need to eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c om > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > spots on them and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > me for them already if they grow too > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > all, I would try to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > may be towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > well. What fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > on the sides off as > > well. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, maybe that'll work ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > different plecos. > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > have brown > and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and 2-L333's (One > is black > and white and one is brown and tan). All of these don't get that big > and they > love algae. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > never saw or > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > foot range! > Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > standard size? > HUGE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > What > kind of fish do you plan on > > putting in the tank? > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > something small > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > such as mystery > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > for one of the > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > sale and she has > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > to help you > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > for the pleco and > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > sometime and > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > mine bought it > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > control. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > some degree and > > > most of > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > tc., and is > > OLD wood. > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > free in a local > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > as some > > > prohibit the > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > since I don't > > > want to > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > kinds of laws kind of > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > you pick up that > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > man's trash is another > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > up the environment. > > > LOL > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood, with links to > > > other sources as we > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > at > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood many times. > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > time ago > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > driftwood at a > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > might even be a member > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > in with their eBay > > > link. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > it. I couldnt find any > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > might slim. will get > > > some > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > algae in there needed > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > cats that love to > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > Tank20today > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > A 30G tank would not > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > so... and even > > > that's > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > be rehomed or it > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > start to cause > > > health > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > for a 30G tank and > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > plecos, and most > > > others > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > They need a constant > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > also produce lots of > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > a Clown Pleco > > > (around > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > also have a piece of > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > actually need to eat wood > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > hide. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> (Links > > to any articles referenced > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under > > > Labels and > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > om > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > > spots on them and when > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > them if need > > > be, when > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > all, I would try to get > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > which all stay > > > small and > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > may be towards each > > > other. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > will soon have a new > > > > home > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > ornamentation and > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > well. What fish th > > > at > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > of getting about 3 > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > is hard water.? I got > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > on the sides off as > > > well. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > > is NOT > > > important to the > > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`7.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38239	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: about tanks in general

not sure but I have always had fresh water and was just curious and wanting to find out if the person who told me this tid bit was lying to me or not. -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general How are ya goin' to get the salt out of the water? Just a thought.................................... Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about tanks in general > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:15 PM > I heard from someone that one can > change a freshwater tank to a salt water tank but one can't > change a salt water tank to a freshwater tank. How true is > this and if it's true why? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)"=2 0<- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38240	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38241	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: water testers

Larry, It would depend upon what one is testing for, and the range of the meter itself. Keep in mind that the meter would need to be calibrated often and the probes cleaned and replaced on a regular basis. The costs are much more than the commonly used "master" kits. I tried one once, and it just was not worth the hassle to me to continue to use it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > ldw1123 > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:23 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] water testers > > Okay, > > I've started water change, big step for an ol' timer set in his way. Today two aquarium > magazines showed up in the mail. While glancing through them I saw am add for "digital > testers" for saltwater set ups. My question is do they make such testers for freshwater or > can I use the saltwater tester? I would think it would take different testers for each type of > water due to the chemical differences of the water types. > > Larry > Kansas City > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38242	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38243	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38244	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Just worried about the cost of that. The gold fish will go to its new home tomorrow. I am on a fixed income and will probably have to save up for the right type of pleco. They had mystery snails at the store but none looked too good. I think the only reason the gold fish made it is because of the algae. I plan on putting my guppies in the 30 gal and the 10 gal I was just curious and trying to confirm what I was told. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tues, 17 Mar 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today What kind of fish do you plan on putting in the tank? After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) LOL. toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine b ought it > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and > most of > them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, etc. > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some > prohibit the > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't > want to > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws kind of > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife Agent > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the environment. > LOL > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with links to > other sources as we > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing drift wood many times. > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long > time ago > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a member > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their eBay > link. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt find any > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get > some > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed > something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the drift > wood if i cant get any? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.co m>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank would not > support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even > that's > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause > health > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G tank and > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most > others > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce lots of > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco > (around > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to eat wood > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Aquati cLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have spots on them and when > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > me for them already if they grow too > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need > be, when > they are full grown. > > -----Original Message----- > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try to get > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay > small and > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be towards each > other. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > > home > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What fish th > at > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the=2 0water they used is hard water.? I got > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides off as > well. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38245	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... through his stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a fish meal, on the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, maybe that'll work ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > different plecos. > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > never saw or > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > foot range! > Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > standard size? > HUGE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > What > kind of fish do you plan on > > putting in the tank? > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > something small > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > such as mystery > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > for one of the > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > sale and she has > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > to help you > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > for the pleco and > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > sometime and > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > mine bought it > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > control. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > some degree and > > > most of > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > tc., and is > > OLD wood. > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > free in a local > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > as some > > > prohibit the > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > since I don't > > > want to > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > kinds of laws kind of > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > you pick up that > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > man's trash is another > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > up the environment. > > > LOL > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood, with links to > > > other sources as we > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > at > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood many times. > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > time ago > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > driftwood at a > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > might even be a member > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > in with their eBay > > > link. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > it. I couldnt find any > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > might slim. will get > > > some > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > algae in there needed > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > cats that love to > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > Tank20today > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > A 30G tank would not > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > so... and even > > > that's > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > be rehomed or it > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > start to cause > > > health > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > for a 30G tank and > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > plecos, and most > > > others > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > They need a constant > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > also produce lots of > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > a Clown Pleco > > > (around > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > also have a piece of > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > actually need to eat wood > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > hide. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> (Links > > to any articles referenced > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under > > > Labels and > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > om > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > > spots on them and when > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > them if need > > > be, when > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > all, I would try to get > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > which all stay > > > small and > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > may be towards each > > > other. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > will soon have a new > > > > home > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > ornamentation and > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > well. What fish th > > > at > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > of getting about 3 > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > is hard water.? I got > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > on the sides off as > > > well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38246	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Pam has good prices for her fish, I didn't have any complaints at least ;) The problem with it is that you would have to pay the shipping costs which would probably run you around 50 dollars maybe more if you pick a faster service. I work for fed ex and get a very good deal on my fed ex rates, so it's much cheaper for me to ship things here sometimes than buy them in town (I'm in Alaska). Dwarf pleco's might be more expensive at your fish store as they are harder to come by at some pet stores, I know my LFS never has anything but sailfin pleco's and those get huge. Are you able to drive further away to a different fish store, or perhaps call around in your yellow pages to the fish stores nearby and find out if they carry anything other than big pleco's (usually called common pleco's at some fish stores)? Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > Just worried about the cost of that. The gold fish will go to its new > home tomorrow. I am on a fixed income and will probably have to save > up for the right type of pleco. They had mystery snails at the store > but none looked too good. I think the only reason the gold fish made > it is because of the algae. I plan on putting my guppies in the 30 gal > and the 10 gal I was just curious and trying to confirm what I was told. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tues, 17 Mar 2009 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > What kind of fish do you plan on putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as mystery > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for one of the > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she has > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help you > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) LOL. > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine b > ought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, > etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws > kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife > Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the > environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with > links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing drift > wood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a > member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their > eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt > find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the > drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.co > m>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank > would not > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G > tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce > lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to > eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Aquati > cLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have spots on them and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > me for them already if they grow too > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try > to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be > towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What > fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the=2 > 0water they used is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides > off as > > well. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38247	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Yeah, no fish sticks, that may not go over well if they were gold fish shaped either ;) And how do you know what I was thinking Lenny? ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... through his > stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a fish > meal, on > the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, > maybe > that'll work ;) LOL > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > > one. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > > different plecos. > > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > > never saw or > > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > > foot range! > > Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > > standard size? > > HUGE? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > What > > kind of fish do you plan on > > > putting in the tank? > > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > > something small > > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > > such as mystery > > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > > for one of the > > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > > sale and she has > > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > > to help you > > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > > for the pleco and > > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > > sometime and > > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > > mine bought it > > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > > control. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > > some degree and > > > > most of > > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > > tc., and is > > > OLD wood. > > > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > > free in a local > > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > > as some > > > > prohibit the > > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > > since I don't > > > > want to > > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > > kinds of laws kind of > > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > > you pick up that > > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > > man's trash is another > > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > > up the environment. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood, with links to > > > > other sources as we > > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > > at > > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood many times. > > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > > time ago > > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > > driftwood at a > > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > > might even be a member > > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > > in with their eBay > > > > link. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > > it. I couldnt find any > > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > > might slim. will get > > > > some > > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > > algae in there needed > > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > > cats that love to > > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > > Tank20today > > > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > > A 30G tank would not > > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > > so... and even > > > > that's > > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > > be rehomed or it > > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > > start to cause > > > > health > > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > > for a 30G tank and > > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > > plecos, and most > > > > others > > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > > They need a constant > > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > > also produce lots of > > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > > a Clown Pleco > > > > (around > > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > > also have a piece of > > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > > actually need to eat wood > > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > > hide. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> (Links > > > to any articles referenced > > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under > > > > Labels and > > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > om > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > > > spots on them and when > > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > > them if need > > > > be, when > > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > > all, I would try to get > > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > > which all stay > > > > small and > > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > > may be towards each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > > will soon have a new > > > > > home > > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > > ornamentation and > > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > > well. What fish th > > > > at > > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > > of getting about 3 > > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > > > is hard water.? I got > > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > > on the sides off as > > > > well. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38248	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

That I plan on. just have to find out the costs and just order them and tell him that that i got plecos that would fit the tank. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, maybe that'll work ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > different plecos. > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > have brown > and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and 2-L333's (One > is black > and white and one is brown and tan). All of these don't get that big > and they > love algae. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: warrenpri nt@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > never saw or > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > foot range! > Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > standard size? > HUGE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > What > kind of fish do you plan on > > putting in the tank? > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > something small > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > such as mystery > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > for one of the > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > sale and she has > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > to help you > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > wrote: > > > >=2 0> > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > for the pleco and > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > sometime and > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > mine bought it > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > control. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > some degree and > > > most of > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > tc., and is > > OLD wood. > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > free in a local > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > as some > > > prohibit the > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > since I don't > > > want to > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > kinds of laws kind of > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > caught. ;-) Bring a > >=2 0> trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > you pick up that > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > man's trash is another > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > up the environment. > > > LOL > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood, with links to > > > other sources as we > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > at > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > driftwood many times. > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > time ago > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > driftwood at a > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > might even be a member > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > in with their eBay > > > link. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yaho ogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > it. I couldnt find any > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > might slim. will get > > > some > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > algae in there needed > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > cats that love to > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > Tank20today > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > A 30G tank would not > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a ye ar or > > so... and even > > > that's > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > be rehomed or it > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > start to cause > > > health > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > for a 30G tank and > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > plecos, and most > > > others > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > They need a constant > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > also produce lots of > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > a Clown Pleco > > > (around > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > also have a piece of > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > actually need to eat wood > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > hide. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> (Links > > to any articles referenced > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under > > > Labels and > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com20 > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > om > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > > spots on them and when > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > them if need > > > be, when > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > today > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > all, I would try to get > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > which all stay > > > small and > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > may be towards each > > > other. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > will soon have a new > > > > home > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > ornamentation and > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > well. What fish th > > > at > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > of getting about 3 > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > is hard water.? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38249	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Old Yeller? Dang... brings tears to my eyes just thinking about that dang dog. LOL And now I'm thinking about Bill Murray in "Stripes" where he talks about Old Yeller while teaching the mutts in his platoon some " Arrrmmmy training SIR!" Boom, chucka, chucka, chucka... LOL For those of you who do not know the movie, "Stripes", please realize that I have not lost all of my marbles yet. I guess I need to re-watch all of them classics. We were just talking about Bill Murray in Caddyshack in a pond forum with someone dealing with moles... the evil cousin to the gopher. ;-) Moe has made it to the internet though. I did a Google of Michigan Humane Society Moe Turtle and got a bunch of hits. Here's one that came up at the top... http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed his name at the michigan humane society is moe you can look him up i also need a new name for him i dont like moe any suggestions he is pictured on their website

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Just took a wild guess. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Yeah, no fish sticks, that may not go over well if they were gold fish shaped either ;) And how do you know what I was thinking Lenny? ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... through > his stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a > fish meal, on the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, > maybe that'll work ;) LOL > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > > one. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > > different plecos. > > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > > never saw or heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most > > people talk in a 1 foot range! > > Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > > standard size? > > HUGE? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM What > > kind of fish do you plan on > > > putting in the tank? > > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something > > > small to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > > such as mystery snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your > > > eye out for one of the "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and > > > she has experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > > to help you out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned > > > her name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up > > > for the pleco and > > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > > sometime and > > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > > mine bought it > > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > > control. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > > some degree and > > > > most of > > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > > tc., and is > > > OLD wood. > > > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > > free in a local > > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > > as some > > > > prohibit the > > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > > since I don't > > > > want to > > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > > kinds of laws kind of > > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > > you pick up that > > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > > man's trash is another > > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > > up the environment. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood, with links to > > > > other sources as we > > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > > at > > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood many times. > > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > > time ago > > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > > driftwood at a > > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > > might even be a member > > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > > in with their eBay > > > > link. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > > it. I couldnt find any > > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > > might slim. will get > > > > some > > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > > algae in there needed > > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > > cats that love to > > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > > Tank20today > > > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > > A 30G tank would not > > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > > so... and even > > > > that's > > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > > be rehomed or it > > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > > start to cause > > > > health > > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > > for a 30G tank and > > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > > plecos, and most > > > > others > > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > > They need a constant > > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > > also produce lots of > > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > > a Clown Pleco > > > > (around > > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > > also have a piece of > > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > > actually need to eat wood > > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > > hide. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > (Links > > > to any articles referenced > > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under > > > > Labels and > > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > > > toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > om > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have > > > spots on them and when > > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho me for them already if > > > > they grow too big for the tank. So there is n o problem in > > > > re-homing > > > them if need > > > > be, when > > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > > all, I would try to get > > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > > which all stay > > > > small and > > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > > may be towards each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > > will soon have a new > > > > > home > > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The > > > ornamentation and > > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > > well. What fish th > > > > at > > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > > of getting about 3 > > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > > > is hard water.? I got > > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > > on the sides off as > > > > well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38251	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I can call around.  I can only basically do the stores that are close to where I live. I will not get any more fish from Miejrs as every fish I buy from there dies on me. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tues, 17 Mar 2009 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Pam has good prices for her fish, I didn't have any complaints at least ;) The problem with it is that you would have to pay the shipping costs which would probably run you around 50 dollars maybe more if you pick a faster service. I work for fed ex and get a very good deal on my fed ex rates, so it's much cheaper for me to ship things here sometimes than buy them in town (I'm in Alaska). Dwarf pleco's might be more expensive at your fish store as they are harder to come by at some pet stores, I know my LFS never has anything but sailfin pleco's and those get huge. Are you able to drive further away to a different fish store, or perhaps call around in your yellow pages to the fish stores nearby and find out if they carry anything other than big pleco's (usually called common pleco's at some fish stores)? Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > Just worried about the cost of that. The gold fish will go to its new > home tomorrow. I am on a fixed income and will probably have to save > up for the right20type of pleco. They had mystery snails at the store > but none looked too good. I think the only reason the gold fish made > it is because of the algae. I plan on putting my guppies in the 30 gal > and the 10 gal I was just curious and trying to confirm what I was told. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tues, 17 Mar 2009 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > What kind of fish do you plan on putting in the tank? > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider something small > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, such as mystery > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out for one of the > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for sale and she has > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing to help you > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her name ;) LOL. > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes lined up for the pleco and > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week sometime and > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of mine b > ought it > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under control. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to some degree and > > most of > > them are also pine and pine does not make good driftwood due to sap, > etc. > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, etc., and is OLD wood. > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for free in a local > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations as some > > prohibit the > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this since I don't > > want to > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them kinds of laws > kind of > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get caught. ;-) Bring a > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time you pick up that > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one man's trash is another > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous Parks & Wildlife > Agent > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean up the > environment. > > LOL > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing driftwood, with > links to > > other sources as we > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here at > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing drift > wood many times. > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from BigAlsOnline.com a long > > time ago > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell driftwood at a > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers might even be a > member > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime in with their > eBay > > link. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming it. I couldnt > find any > > other algae eater in the store as pickings=2 0were a might slim. will get > > some > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of algae in there needed > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have cats that love to > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a 2x4 do for the > drift > > wood if i cant get any? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.co > m>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank20today > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? A 30G tank > would not > > support even one common pleco for more than a year or so... and even > > that's > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to be rehomed or it > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then start to cause > > health > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload for a 30G > tank and > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common plecos, and most > > others > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. They need a constant > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus also produce > lots of > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either a Clown Pleco > > (around > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6" ). You should also have a piece of > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them actually need to > eat wood > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to hide. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Aquati > cLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > I forget what type of plecos I got. They have spots on them and when > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > me for them already if they grow too > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing them if need > > be, when > > they are full grown. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> <mailto:va22_vyshys%40ya hoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at all, I would try > to get > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, which all stay > > small and > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they may be > towards each > > other. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that will soon have a new > > > home > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warms up a bit. The ornamentation and > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as well. What > fish th > > at > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking of getting about 3 > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the=2 > 0water they used is hard water.? I got > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint on the sides > off as > > well. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when y ou REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of=2 > > 0the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38252	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

He wont eat fish. He is a very picky eater./ Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Yeah, no fish sticks, that may not go over well if they were gold fish shaped either ;) And how do you know what I was thinking Lenny? ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... through his > stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a fish > meal, on > the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, > maybe > that'll work ;) LOL > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > > one. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > > different plecos. > > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > > never saw or > > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > > foot range! > >20Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > > standard size? > > HUGE? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > What > > kind of fish do you plan on > > > putting in the tank? > > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > > something small > > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > > such as mystery > > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > > for one of the > > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > > sale and she has > > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > > to help you > > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes li ned up > > > for the pleco and > > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > > sometime and > > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > > mine bought it > > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > > control. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > > some degree and > > > > most of > > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > > tc., and is > > > OLD wood. > > > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > > free in a local > > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > > as some > > > > prohibit the > > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > > since I don't > > > > want to > > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > > kinds of laws kind o f > > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > > you pick up that > > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > > man's trash is another > > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > > up the environment. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood, with links to > > > > other sources as we > > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > > at > > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > > driftwood many times. > > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > > time ago > > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > > driftwood at a > > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > > might even be a member > > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > > in with their eBay > > > > link. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Li nks to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > > it. I couldnt find any > > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > > might slim. will get > > > > some > > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > > algae in there needed > > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > > cats that love to > > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > > wood if i cant get=2 0any? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > > Tank20today > > > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > > A 30G tank would not > > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > > so... and even > > > > that's > > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > > be rehomed or it > > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > > start to cause > > > > health > > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > > for a 30G tank and > > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > > plecos, and most > > > > others > > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > > They need a constant > > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > > also produce lots of > > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > > a Clown Pleco > > > > (around > > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > > also have a piece of > > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > > actually need to eat wood > > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > > hide. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> (Links > > > to any articles referenced > > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under > > > > Labels and > > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > om > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > I forget wh at type of plecos I got. They have > > > spots on them and when > > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > > them if need > > > > be, when > > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > today > > > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > > all, I would try to get > > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > > which all stay > > > > small and > > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > > may be towards each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > > will soon have a new > > > > > home > > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warm s up a bit. The > > > ornamentation and > > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > > well. What fish th > > > > at > > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > > of getting about 3 > > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > > > is hard water.? I got > > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > > on the sides off as > > > > well. > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38253	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Moe is cute, what's wrong with his name? Reminds me of the 3 stooges and that fits in around here just fine ;) LOL. Looks like the humane society has done a pretty good job telling you what you'll need to care for Moe when you get him. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Old Yeller? > > Dang... brings tears to my eyes just thinking about that dang dog. LOL > > And now I'm thinking about Bill Murray in "Stripes" where he talks > about Old > Yeller while teaching the mutts in his platoon some " Arrrmmmy training > SIR!" Boom, chucka, chucka, chucka... LOL For those of you who do not know > the movie, "Stripes", please realize that I have not lost all of my > marbles > yet. I guess I need to re-watch all of them classics. We were just talking > about Bill Murray in Caddyshack in a pond forum with someone dealing with > moles... the evil cousin to the gopher. ;-) > > Moe has made it to the internet though. I did a Google of Michigan Humane > Society Moe Turtle and got a bunch of hits. Here's one that came up at the > top... > > http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129 > <http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of grdnfan243@... <mailto:grdnfan243%40aol.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > his name at the michigan humane society is moe you can look him up i also > need a new name for him i dont like moe any suggestions he is pictured on > their website > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38254	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

Yeah my husband won't eat fish either, so I know how you feel there, it's really hard to cook meals for an ex vegetarian who doesn't eat fish either, and isn't big on beef but will eat it ;) Talk about picky, LOL. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > He wont eat fish. He is a very picky eater./ > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:13 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Yeah, no fish sticks, that may not go over well if they were gold fish > shaped either ;) > And how do you know what I was thinking Lenny? ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... > through his > > stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a fish > > meal, on > > the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, > > maybe > > that'll work ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > > > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > > > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > > > one. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > > > different plecos. > > > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > > > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > > > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > > > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > > > never saw or > > > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > > > foot range! > > >20Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > > > standard size? > > > HUGE? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > > What > > > kind of fish do you plan on > > > > putting in the tank? > > > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > > > something small > > > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > > > such as mystery > > > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > > > for one of the > > > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > > > sale and she has > > > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > > > to help you > > > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes li > ned up > > > > for the pleco and > > > > > the gold fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > > > sometime and > > > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > > > mine bought it > > > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > > > control. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > > > some degree and > > > > > most of > > > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > > > tc., and is > > > > OLD wood. > > > > > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > > > free in a local > > > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > > > as some > > > > > prohibit the > > > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > > > since I don't > > > > > want to > > > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > > > kinds of laws kind o > f > > > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > > > you pick up that > > > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > > > man's trash is another > > > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > > > up the environment. > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > > > driftwood, with links to > > > > > other sources as we > > > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > > > at > > > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > > > driftwood many times. > > > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > > > time ago > > > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > > > driftwood at a > > > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > > > might even be a member > > > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > > > in with their eBay > > > > > link. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > > (Li > nks to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > > > it. I couldnt find any > > > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > > > might slim. will get > > > > > some > > > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > > > algae in there needed > > > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > > > cats that love to > > > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > > > wood if i cant get=2 > 0any? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > > > Tank20today > > > > > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > > > A 30G tank would not > > > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > > > so... and even > > > > > that's > > > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > > > be rehomed or it > > > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > > > start to cause > > > > > health > > > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > > > for a 30G tank and > > > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > > > plecos, and most > > > > > others > > > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > > > They need a constant > > > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > > > also produce lots of > > > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > > > a Clown Pleco > > > > > (around > > > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > > > also have a piece > of > > > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > > > actually need to eat wood > > > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > > > hide. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> (Links > > > > to any articles referenced > > > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and > > > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > > om > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > I forget wh > at type of plecos I got. They have > > > > spots on them and when > > > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > > > me for them already if they grow too > > > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > > > them if need > > > > > be, when > > > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > > > all, I would try to get > > > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > > > which all stay > > > > > small and > > > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > > > may be towards each > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > > > will soon have a new > > > > > > home > > > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warm > s up a bit. The > > > > ornamentation and > > > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > > > well. What fish th > > > > > at > > > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > > > of getting about 3 > > > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > > > > > is hard water.? I got > > > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > > > on the sides off as > > > > > well. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38255	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Hey now... I resemble that remark! Oops... I meant I resent that remark! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed Moe is cute, what's wrong with his name? Reminds me of the 3 stooges and that fits in around here just fine ;) LOL. Looks like the humane society has done a pretty good job telling you what you'll need to care for Moe when you get him. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Old Yeller? > > Dang... brings tears to my eyes just thinking about that dang dog. LOL > > And now I'm thinking about Bill Murray in "Stripes" where he talks > about Old Yeller while teaching the mutts in his platoon some " > Arrrmmmy training SIR!" Boom, chucka, chucka, chucka... LOL For those > of you who do not know the movie, "Stripes", please realize that I > have not lost all of my marbles yet. I guess I need to re-watch all of > them classics. We were just talking about Bill Murray in Caddyshack in > a pond forum with someone dealing with moles... the evil cousin to the > gopher. ;-) > > Moe has made it to the internet though. I did a Google of Michigan > Humane Society Moe Turtle and got a bunch of hits. Here's one that > came up at the top... > > http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129 > <http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > grdnfan243@... <mailto:grdnfan243%40aol.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > his name at the michigan humane society is moe you can look him up i > also need a new name for him i dont like moe any suggestions he is > pictured on their website

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38256	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Gee how did you know that I was thinking of you when I said it reminded me of the 3 stooges? ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Hey now... I resemble that remark! > > Oops... I meant I resent that remark! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > Moe is cute, what's wrong with his name? Reminds me of the 3 stooges and > that fits in around here just fine ;) LOL. > Looks like the humane society has done a pretty good job telling you what > you'll need to care for Moe when you get him. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Old Yeller? > > > > Dang... brings tears to my eyes just thinking about that dang dog. LOL > > > > And now I'm thinking about Bill Murray in "Stripes" where he talks > > about Old Yeller while teaching the mutts in his platoon some " > > Arrrmmmy training SIR!" Boom, chucka, chucka, chucka... LOL For those > > of you who do not know the movie, "Stripes", please realize that I > > have not lost all of my marbles yet. I guess I need to re-watch all of > > them classics. We were just talking about Bill Murray in Caddyshack in > > a pond forum with someone dealing with moles... the evil cousin to the > > gopher. ;-) > > > > Moe has made it to the internet though. I did a Google of Michigan > > Humane Society Moe Turtle and got a bunch of hits. Here's one that > > came up at the top... > > > > http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129 > <http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129> > > <http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129 > <http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12871129>> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > grdnfan243@... <mailto:grdnfan243%40aol.com> > <mailto:grdnfan243%40aol.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > > > his name at the michigan humane society is moe you can look him up i > > also need a new name for him i dont like moe any suggestions he is > > pictured on their website > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38257	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: got my new to me Tank today

I just wish my snail hadn't died on me it would be in 7th heaven with the algae. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tues, 17 Mar 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today Yeah my husband won't eat fish either, so I know how you feel there, it's really hard to cook meals for an ex vegetarian who doesn't eat fish either, and isn't big on beef but will eat it ;) Talk about picky, LOL. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > He wont eat fish. He is a very picky eater./ > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:13 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > Yeah, no fish sticks, that may not go over well if they were gold fish > shaped either ;) > And how do you know what I was thinking Lenny? ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > And you know the other tried and true way to a man's heart... > through his > > stomach (not what you were thinking Amber.. lol)... just not a fish > > meal, on > > the same day you rehome the pleco or goldfish. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.co m > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > Tell your bf that you're getting a manly fish that won't get gigantic, > > maybe > > that'll work ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will do so. Just have to wait till payday. It took just about all my > > > loose change to get the one pleco and an algae scraper to get above > > > the water line. That and will have to talk my bf into letting me get > > > one. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com> > > > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40ya hoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:03 pm > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > > > Go to planetcatfish.com and have a look around. There are MANY > > > different plecos. > > > Look up the L numbers and LDA numbers. You will be very surprised. I > > > have brown and albino, regular and long fin bristle nose plecos and > > > 2-L333's (One is black and white and one is brown and tan). All of > > > these don't get that big and they love algae. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:04:51 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > > > This one has bothered me for sometime: ""dwarf pleco". Years ago I > > > never saw or > > > heard of a pleco being larger that 6". Today most people talk in a 1 > > > foot range! > > >20Are there not smaller versions of a pleco or do they come as one > > > standard size? > > > HUGE? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank today > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > > What > > > kind of fish do you plan on > > > > putting in the tank? > > > > After you re-home the pleco you might want to consider > > > > something small > > > > to help keep your algae under control for the long term, > > > > such as mystery > > > > snails or some other kind of snail, or keep your eye out > > > > for one of the > > > > "dwarf" pleco's that don't get that big. > > > > Pam has both Mystery snails and bristlenose pleco's for > > > > sale and she has > > > > experience shipping her fish, perhaps she might be willing > > > > to help you > > > > out, I'm sure she will chime in now that I mentioned her > > > > name ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I plan on. I am just glad I have homes li > ned up > > > > for the pleco and > > > > > the gold20fish the gold fish will be re homed next week > > > > sometime and > > > > > the pleco when the algae problem is gone. A friend of > > > > mine bought it > > > > > and is loaning it to me to help get the algae under > > > > control. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:12 pm > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > No, a 2x4 would not do. Most of them are treated to > > > > some degree and > > > > > most of > > > > > them are also pine and pine does not make good > > > > driftwood due to sap, etc. > > > > > Driftwood is naturally aged, de-barked, e > > > tc., and is > > > > OLD wood. > > > > > > > > > > You can buy driftwood but you can also find it for > > > > free in a local > > > > > beach/waterway shoreline. Check your local regulations > > > > as some > > > > > prohibit the > > > > > removal of driftwood... although I'm only saying this > > > > since I don't > > > > > want to > > > > > advise you to break any laws... but I consider them > > > > kinds of laws kind o > f > > > > > like a speeding law... it's only illegal if you get > > > > caught. ;-) Bring a > > > > > trash bag and pick up a little litter at the same time > > > > you pick up that > > > > > "piece of trashy looking wood" (hint, hint... one > > > > man's trash is another > > > > > man's treasure), so that if there is an overzealous > > > > Parks & Wildlife Agent > > > > > stalking you, you can say you're just trying to clean > > > > up the environment. > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > I have a blog article about cleaning/sterilizing > > > > driftwood, with links to > > > > > other sources as we > > > > > ll, and you can also do a search of the messages here > > > > at > > > > > the group as we've discussed cleaning/sterilizing > > > > driftwood many times. > > > > > Personally, I bought my two big pieces from > > > > BigAlsOnline.com a long > > > > > time ago > > > > > but I've since been to several eBay sellers who sell > > > > driftwood at a > > > > > reasonable price also. I think one of them sellers > > > > might even be a member > > > > > of the group from what I remember. Maybe they'll chime > > > > in with their eBay > > > > > link. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com 0A> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > > (Li > nks to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:52 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <m ailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > Got just one i think its common. I plan on rehoming > > > > it. I couldnt find any > > > > > other algae eater in the store as pickings were a > > > > might slim. will get > > > > > some > > > > > drift wood for it . Right now with the load of > > > > algae in there needed > > > > > something to get it down other than chemical as I have > > > > cats that love to > > > > > drink from the tanks when they get a chance. Would a > > > > 2x4 do for the drift > > > > > wood if i cant get=2 > 0any? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27 pm > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me > > > > Tank20today > > > > > > > > > > You typed plecos (plural). Do you have more than one? > > > > A 30G tank would not > > > > > support even one common pleco for more than20a year or > > > > so... and even >20> > > > that's > > > > > pushing it. Once it reaches 5" to 6", it would need to > > > > be rehomed or it > > > > > would start to suffer from stunting, which would then > > > > start to cause > > > > > health > > > > > issues. It would also become way too much of a bioload > > > > for a 30G tank and > > > > > IT WILL NEVER reach full size in a 30G tank. Common > > > > plecos, and most > > > > > others > > > > > that I've researched, are eating/pooping machines. > > > > They need a constant > > > > > supply of food due to their digestive system and thus > > > > also produce lots of > > > > > poop. For a 30G tank, I would probably go with either > > > > a Clown Pleco > > > > > (around > > > > > 4") or a Bristlenose Pleco (around 6"). You should > > > > also have a piece > of > > > > > driftwood in the tank for plecos as most of them > > > > actually need to eat wood > > > > > as part of their diet and they'll also use it to > > > > hide. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blo gspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> (Links > > > > to any articles referenced > > > > > in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and > > > > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:55 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.c > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.c> > > > om > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > I forget wh > at type of plecos I got. They have > > > > spots on them and when > > > > > grown grow up to 24 inches. I have a ho > > > > > me fo r them already if they grow too > > > > > big for the tank. So there is n o problem in re-homing > > > > them if need > > > > > be, when > > > > > they are full grown. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@... > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com> > > > > <mailto:va22_vyshys%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 8:17 am > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: got my new to me Tank > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > Don't get Chinese algae eaters, not a good fish at > > > > all, I would try to get > > > > > Oto's or Clown/Pretty Plecos or maybe bristlenose, > > > > which all stay > > > > > small and > > > > > aren't that territorial, at least with other fish they > > > > may be towards each > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The only fish still alive was the gold fish that > > > > will soon have a new > > > > > >20home > > > > > soon as the guy who wants it pond warm > s up a bit. The > > > > ornamentation and > > > > > gravel is covered with algae and parts of the sides as > > > > well. What fish th > > > > > at > > > > > are algae eaters get along with guppies? am thinking > > > > of getting about 3 > > > > > snails or the algae eater.? Plus the water they used > > > > > > > is hard water.? I got > > > > > to take a sharp razor blade though and take some paint > > > > on the sides off as > > > > > well. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -------- ---------------------------- Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38258	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Rena Filstar XP canister filters

Well my canister filters finally arrived today. I hooked one all up and got it running tonight, I will work on the 2nd one tomorrow, not sure if I'm going to run both of them on my 125 gallon to get them cycled before I move filters over to the 55 gallon and take down the magnum 350 filter. For now I just hooked one up to it. It's the XP 4, which I believe is 450 gph, but I could be wrong, I'd have to check the manual which I've already managed to misplace ;) LOL. I bought two of the filters and eventually both will be running on the 55 gallon tank for the hillstream loaches, I contemplated putting a HOB aquaclear and one xp 4 on the 55 gallon, I haven't quite decided what I'm gonna do just yet, either way I have enough filters now, except one for my Q tank ;) Was very easy to put together with the included instructions, I was a little skeptical about some of the recommended maintenance that they suggest (clean every 4 weeks, rinse in the sink in tap water, etc, LOL) but I know better so it's okay for me. I just cringe at those new people out there who don't know any different and are just following instructions included with the filter (on a nifty sticker so you can post it to be re-read later somewhere, LOL). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38259	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38260	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38261	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38262	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Intro - Dani in ND

Thank you very much! : ) --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> wrote: > > Snails are the least picky animal in the animal kingdom, so to answer you questions they will eat anything, they won't escape, the only time they leave the water is to lay eggs, if you have plant then you don't need an air stone as a matter of fact I recently emptied out a 29 Tank and it has about 3 inches of water some gravel and algae and snails, they eat the algae, no heat no light no nothing except the room lights at night, and they just keep going. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dbrown1973@" <dbrown1973@> wrote: > > > > Oh boy! I had this post all typed out and it was tooo long, so I've started over - twice now. > > > > So I'll start out with a few smaller posts, lol. > > > > My name is Danielle but please call me Dani. I'm a military spouse living in ND with two fish tanks (10 gal and 30 gal), two dogs, 5 kids, and a very large glass bowl with two gold mystery snails from wally world. > > > > Questions: What the heck do aquatic snails eat? When do they need to be fed? Do they need a bubble stone or a filter or to have circulated water? I have some floating plants and two different plants rooted in the rocks - these are those pretty smooth round glass pebbles used in floral arrangements and not fish tank gravel in the bottom of the bowl. Does it need to have a top on it? The bowl was used for hermit crabs by a previous owner and is quite large around and is about 9 inches high. I cleaned it thoroughly before putting the snails, plants, and pebbles in it. So far they've eaten a few stalks of the floating plant (I don't have a problem with that) and will climb all over the rooted plants without eating them. I put an algae wafer in there and one went nuts all over it. They are fast too!!!!! Do they need darkness or sunlight? Will they escape from the bowl (so far they haven't, but I never know, lol.) Do they get along with other aquatic snails? (I've got two black mystery snails in the ten gallon tank and I never see them as they hide in the ship.) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dani in ND > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38263	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Bowfront Aquarium Question

My hubby is deploying soon and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he comes back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck to find anything larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large aquarium and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and get the fish in it. How many koi or fantails or combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for larger sized tanks? I'm going to get the plants here: http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm once I get the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and let it set for about a month. Then I want to research the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world have some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I cannot stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way with regular cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY tank! Thanks, Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38264	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and when they > mate, the female will lay a large egg cluster right above the water line of > the tank ---- snipped -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38265	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Rena Filstar XP canister filters

Yes. The BAD instructions in MOST filter system instructions is one of the reasons I wrote my article "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" a long time ago. I'm not sure if they refuse to fix their instructions because they would then be admitting they had been giving out bad info for years and years... or if they are in cahoots with the fish sellers to kill a lot of fish so folks have to buy new fish all the time. I know this dilemma exists for so many of the goldfish websites out there on the net where they keep their "10G per goldfish" as part of their guidelines instead of raising the water volume to proper levels. In their cases, I think they just do not want to admit they have been giving out such bad info since I don't think they are in cahoots with the fish sellers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rena Filstar XP canister filters Well my canister filters finally arrived today. I hooked one all up and got it running tonight, I will work on the 2nd one tomorrow, not sure if I'm going to run both of them on my 125 gallon to get them cycled before I move filters over to the 55 gallon and take down the magnum 350 filter. For now I just hooked one up to it. It's the XP 4, which I believe is 450 gph, but I could be wrong, I'd have to check the manual which I've already managed to misplace ;) LOL. I bought two of the filters and eventually both will be running on the 55 gallon tank for the hillstream loaches, I contemplated putting a HOB aquaclear and one xp 4 on the 55 gallon, I haven't quite decided what I'm gonna do just yet, either way I have enough filters now, except one for my Q tank ;) Was very easy to put together with the included instructions, I was a little skeptical about some of the recommended maintenance that they suggest (clean every 4 weeks, rinse in the sink in tap water, etc, LOL) but I know better so it's okay for me. I just cringe at those new people out there who don't know any different and are just following instructions included with the filter (on a nifty sticker so you can post it to be re-read later somewhere, LOL). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38266	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are replying to so we would know what you are referencing. I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... I am cute. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed isn't he cute? **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38267	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

God bless you and your family for your service. Tanks come in all sizes but the larger they get, the more they cost and the prices go up geometrically. Here's one online seller of tanks of all sizes and it's where I bought mine. http://www.glasscages.com You cannot fit any Koi in an aquarium for anything more than a holding tank. Koi grow up to 3' long and need to be in a large pond with at least 300G to 500G per fish... as a bare minimum. For fancy goldfish, a 75G tank would be OK for three of them. Fancy goldfish should grow to 6" to 8" long, with the current world record holder being Bruce The Oranda who is 18" long at present. Most do not reach this size but even at 6" to 8", they are a BIG bioload which is why they need at least 25G per fancy goldfish. For long-bodied goldfish, they need 50G to 75G per fish. I have two fancy goldfish and a juvi Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and I have to do weekly tank/filter maintenance and PWC's to keep the water quality in good condition. I couldn't imagine having any more than that in this tank or it would be a constant chore instead of a pleasing hobby. Bowfront is a design. They are made by a couple of manufacturers, probably including the link above. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question My hubby is deploying soon and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he comes back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck to find anything larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large aquarium and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and get the fish in it. How many koi or fantails or combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for larger sized tanks? I'm going to get the plants here: http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm once I get the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and let it set for about a month. Then I want to research the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world have some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I cannot stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way with regular cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY tank! Thanks, Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38268	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

If you go to http://Applesnail.net and then go to Anatomy and the Reproduction http://applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php, you will see the slight differences between males and females. It's not easy to figure it out though... especially since Mystery snails are like smaller versions of Apple snails, which grow to the size of a baseball where Mystery snails stay much smaller. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and > when they mate, the female will lay a large egg cluster right above > the water line of the tank ---- snipped -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38269	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

The largest tank I have seen in a store is a 300 gallon one. If I had a way of transporting it, I would have brought it home with me that day <g> as it had a very attractive price on it. You'll not see the bow front in the larger aquariums. I do not know what kind of pickings you will find in ND, but you may want to check out http://www.glasscages.com for their offerings, and they will, for a price, ship to you. The largest they show on the site is 500 gallons, but they can also custom build aquaria for you. Koi really do not do well in aquaria. They really get too large. An acquaintance of mine in MA over-wintered his koi in ponds he built in his basement. Goldfish need about 30 gallons per fish, The comet type need a good distance to swim in--read long tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > dbrown1973@... > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > > My hubby is deploying soon and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he > comes back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in the local stores are > bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck > to find anything larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large aquarium > and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and get the fish in it. How > many koi or fantails or combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is > bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for larger sized tanks? > > I'm going to get the plants here: > http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1 .htm once I get > the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and let it set for about a month. Then I want > to research the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world > have some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I cannot > stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that > way with regular cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way and have a school of > neons. : ) It will be MY tank! > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38270	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are replying to so we would know what you are referencing. I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... I am cute. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38271	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: filters

I am having a few problems financially and would like some advice re filters. I have 4 24" tanks waiting to go, however I am a bit fed up of buying seperate filters for them all, or heaters for that matter, is it possible to use a sump filter for all 4 of them with a heater in the sump filter ? Thanks All ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38272	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Google me is the easiest way. Then click the Images link and I'm sure one or more of my pics will show up. Hmmmm... forget that. I know when I Google my name, I get thousands of hits and I was sure my Yahoo profile or one of the social network pages would show up in the image search, but they didn't. So, your next option is to go to the groups message section and then open up my Yahoo profile from there. The link to the member's profile is on the right side of their message. And if you disagree with me, as an alternative, you can always use my pic for pest control or burglar deterrence and I won't even charge you $10.00 a month like I normally charge. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are replying to so we would know what you are referencing. I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... I am cute. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38273	From: Sandra Turner	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: fish eggs

This morning I was cleanning some plants that I took out of my aquarium and noticed that there were some fish eggs on the underside of 2 of the leaves. The leaves came detached while I was cleaning them (they have black algae on them). Is there any way to save the eggs or should I just discard them? I have a community tank so I don't know which fish layed them. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sandi _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38274	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

Thanks for the come-back Joe. My problem is not who but WHAT to feed my rams. I sent a letter to the company and they relied suggesting Micro Wafers. Fine. but how about more suggestions! According to them, that’s all I need to fed. Now I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to eat the same thing everyday even if its my own spaghetti! Bill --- On Tue, 3/17/09, jett07002 <jett07002@...> wrote: > From: jett07002 <jett07002@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hikari Fish Foods > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 6:18 PM > Hi Bill: >    I always use Hikari > products.   Never had a problem with them > yet.  A well balance meal full of nutrition is what I > like for my fish, but, just like me, doesn't mean I do not > want something  constantly.  Break it up with > something else once in the while. > > joe t > > > > > > > > quaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > http://www.hikariusa.com currently has, and almost > always has, an ad for a > > free sample of one of their products.  Get a free > sample of the one they > > suggested and see how your fish like them.  You > have to fill out a form, > > print it and mail it in but you get a couple of > dollars worth of food for a > > 40-something cent stamp... (how much are stamps > nowadays... I haven't used > > one in months.. possibly years.. lol) > > > > I used to use the Hikari Algae Wafers for feeding my > common pleco (part of > > his diet) and still have about 1/4 bag of them left > since I have also been > > using them for my goldfish, cherry shrimp and new > little Clown Pleco.  While > > Hikari is a better brand than brands like Wardley's or > Tetra, many of their > > products still have a high percentage of > wheat/flour/meal based ingredients. > > As I run out of products that are high in > wheat/flour/meal, I have been > > buying new products that have better ingredients that > are more natural for > > fish.  I don't know how many fish in the wild eat > wheat/flour/meal based > > foods??? although if the ingredient is "fish meal", at > least that is ground > > up fish so that, technically, would be something that > other fish eat in the > > wild. > > > > I think it's always better to feed a variety of > quality foods rather than > > relying on only one brand/product all of the > time.  > > > > Other than Wimpy, I don't know of anyone else that > would only want to eat > > the same food all of the time... in the case of Wimpy, > it was hamburgers.. > > "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow, for a hamburger today". > ;-) (For you > > youngsters, Wimpy is from the old Popeye > comics/cartoons > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Wellington_Wimpy and I > didn't know his full > > name until I just Googled for a reference. LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:35 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hikari Fish Foods > > > > Is there anyone on list using any of their products?  > I am rising some > > Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the "Blue Ram".  Currently I > am feeding some Tetra > > Color Flake and some Wardley Shrimp Pellets Formula.  > They are eating but > > the shrimp pellets seem too big for their tiny mouths > and they wait until > > they are water logged to eat them. > >   > > I asked for help from Hikari and they sent a mail back > suggesting their > > "Micro Wafers, which is a small disc type food and is > meant to be a daily > > diet without additional supplementation needed.  Now > I am taking this > > statement as, that's all I need to feed them, and that > just does not sound > > right. > >   > > Now its not that I don't believe them, but I have no > experience with any of > > their products and I want the very best for my Rams, > I've waited along time > > to get them.  Anyone using their products or keeping > Blue Rams in general > > and can offer suggestions on any or better feedings, > I'd like to hear from > > you either here or even off-list if you prefer. > >  Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38275	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles

LOL. On a side note. I just peeked at a few Yahoo Profiles of some of the other group members and there are some cute lil avatars on some and some downright funny stuff on others. Next time someone is bored at work, go down the list of messages and open up some of the profiles. ;-) I didn't know that Danielle was a mermaid, that Gwydryn has a mean looking Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those who misread what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos.. lol), that Amber has her computer in her kitchen or she's really a mad scientist working undercover as a FEDEX employee.... and I can't repeat what's on ToddsWoman's profile. ;-) I didn't check any of the guy's profiles... afraid of what might show up. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are replying to so we would know what you are referencing. I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... I am cute. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38276	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

Dani, Best of luck to your hubby and God speed. One the matter of the tank? Your thinking right but please consider this, big tanks are beautiful BUT................they are heavy! Best rule of thumb is to just say 10 pounds per gallon, to keep it simple. For a 75 gallon that would be 750 pounds, almost half a ton! Sometime, it’s not in the matter of the physical space you have upstairs that counts, but what’s downstairs that’s the issue. Floor joints, cross-members, and such. Can they be re-enforced? All of this needs to be considered. Also for yourself, extra help. Tanks in this range require at least two strong men and four is not over kill. You are thinking right about tank size. Even for a beginner, I always tell people that they should buy the biggest tank that they can afford and have room for. Tanks are tanks, and its just as much work for a 10 as it is for a 100, it just takes a big longer to do but the steps are the same. You still have filter cleaning and water changes to do and with a big tank, once it’s cycled-in, it just adds to your pleasure and you’re not out running around buying another tank later, because the first one was not big enough! Good Luck, Bill --- On Wed, 3/18/09, dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> wrote: > From: dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:39 AM > My hubby is deploying soon and I want > to surprise him with his very own large tank when he comes > back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I > can find in the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 > gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to > Bismarck to find anything larger than that size though....) > We have the space for a very large aquarium and I plan on > taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and > get the fish in it. How many koi or fantails or combination > of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is > bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a > name for larger sized tanks?  > > I'm going to get the plants here: http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm > once I get the tank and put in the gravel and run the water > and let it set for about a month. Then I want to research > the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet > stores and wally world have some real ugly/sick/weird > fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I > cannot stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the > urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way with regular > cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just > the same way and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY > tank! > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38277	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

Not if she gets an acrylic tank. My 65G weighs about 25 pounds so I can lift it with one hand tied behind my back... empty of course. LOL When full, the same 10 pounds per gallon is pretty much applicable... maybe 9 pounds per gallon for acrylic. When it got delivered by UPS, I thought they sent me an empty box... about 5' tall, 2.5' x 2.5' (due to all the foam block protection. The UPS guy looked like he had a small refrigerator in a bear hug coming up the stairs and when he set it down, I swear I thought I got shipped an empty box. You have to be more careful when cleaning acrylic so you don't scratch it but it's a heck of a lot clearer and lighter than glass. Most homes are built to handle this kind of load though. I would say that structural issues will not be an issue for tanks less than 150G and then only in homes with wood framing and maybe with floors that are bouncy. After all, you wouldn't worry about three or four grown men standing in your living room, next to each other.. which would be the same kind of load. For homes on a cement slab, there should be no issues even with a really BIG tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question Dani, Best of luck to your hubby and God speed. One the matter of the tank? Your thinking right but please consider this, big tanks are beautiful BUT................they are heavy! Best rule of thumb is to just say 10 pounds per gallon, to keep it simple. For a 75 gallon that would be 750 pounds, almost half a ton! Sometime, it's not in the matter of the physical space you have upstairs that counts, but what's downstairs that's the issue. Floor joints, cross-members, and such. Can they be re-enforced? All of this needs to be considered. Also for yourself, extra help. Tanks in this range require at least two strong men and four is not over kill. You are thinking right about tank size. Even for a beginner, I always tell people that they should buy the biggest tank that they can afford and have room for. Tanks are tanks, and its just as much work for a 10 as it is for a 100, it just takes a big longer to do but the steps are the same. You still have filter cleaning and water changes to do and with a big tank, once it's cycled-in, it just adds to your pleasure and you're not out running around buying another tank later, because the first one was not big enough! Good Luck, Bill --- On Wed, 3/18/09, dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> wrote: > From: dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:39 AM My hubby is deploying soon > and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he comes > back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in > the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come > larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck to find anything > larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large > aquarium and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it > running, and get the fish in it. How many koi or fantails or > combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is > bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for > larger sized tanks? > > I'm going to get the plants here: > http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passor > t1.htm once I get the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and > let it set for about a month. Then I want to research the fish - again > I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world have > some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell > y'all what - I cannot stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all > the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way with regular > cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way > and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY tank! > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38278	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

Well, sorry to hear that your husband is deploying, being ex-military myself, I'm fully aware of how hard this is. So my prayers go out to you and your family. Now on to your post, First, bowfront is the style of tank. If I were you I would stick with the fantails, unless you plan on getting a pond. Koi can easily grow to be about 3-4ft long, definitely too much for a 75 gallon tank. And as far as how many to get, i would say maybe 8-10, no more than that goldfish get large and quickly too, they really don't stop growing, but it slows after a while. Your fantails will probrably start to mellow out at around 8 inches. And you want to make sure you have excellent filtration, goldfish are messy, and particularly gluttonious. And any plant short of mosses and ferns maybe some species of anubias will probrably not make it. Also anacharis or hornwort and water sprite may make because of how fast they grow and the fact they can grow floating. I hope that this helps and I wish you the best of luck. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dbrown1973@..." <dbrown1973@...> wrote: > > My hubby is deploying soon and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he comes back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck to find anything larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large aquarium and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and get the fish in it. How many koi or fantails or combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for larger sized tanks? > > I'm going to get the plants here: http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm once I get the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and let it set for about a month. Then I want to research the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world have some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I cannot stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way with regular cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY tank! > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38279	From: David Keymel	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Pea Puffers

Hey guys. I am setting up a tank for some very small community fish. i have a few things in it already. 2 guppies, 2 small tetras red eye somethings, and 3 other tetras that i cannot remember the name of. everyones happy go lucky in their 20 gallon. My question is... could a Pea Puffer be happy in this environment? I know they do not get along with anything territorial, but i dont believe these fishes are territorial. I expect to get a cory cat and a dwarf pleco also. aside from that i probably wouldnt intend to put anything else in the tank. Anyone have any experience?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38280	From: bill1433	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

Your right Len but she did not say "HOW BIG"! Even acrylic, once your over 100 gallons………………. I just hope she has good luck and all goes well for her hubby. Anyway it should make quite a surprise at home-coming. Bill --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:55 AM > Not if she gets an acrylic > tank.  My 65G weighs about 25 pounds so I can > lift it with one hand tied behind my back... empty of > course. LOL  When > full, the same 10 pounds per gallon is pretty much > applicable... maybe 9 > pounds per gallon for acrylic. > > When it got delivered by UPS, I thought they sent me an > empty box... about > 5' tall, 2.5' x 2.5' (due to all the foam block > protection.  The UPS guy > looked like he had a small refrigerator in a bear hug > coming up the stairs > and when he set it down, I swear I thought I got shipped an > empty box. > > You have to be more careful when cleaning acrylic so you > don't scratch it > but it's a heck of a lot clearer and lighter than glass. > > Most homes are built to handle this kind of load > though.  I would say that > structural issues will not be an issue for tanks less than > 150G and then > only in homes with wood framing and maybe with floors that > are bouncy. > After all, you wouldn't worry about three or four grown men > standing in your > living room, next to each other.. which would be the same > kind of load.  For > homes on a cement slab, there should be no issues even with > a really BIG > tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > > > Dani, > > Best of luck to your hubby and God speed. > > One the matter of the tank?  Your thinking right but > please consider this, > big tanks are beautiful BUT................they are > heavy!  Best rule of > thumb is to just say 10 pounds per gallon, to keep it > simple.  For a 75 > gallon that would be 750 pounds, almost half a ton!  > Sometime, it's not in > the matter of the physical space you have upstairs that > counts, but what's > downstairs that's the issue.  > > Floor joints, cross-members, and such.  Can they be > re-enforced?  All of > this needs to be considered.  Also for yourself, extra > help.  Tanks in this > range require at least two strong men and four is not over > kill.  > > You are thinking right about tank size.  Even for a > beginner, I always tell > people that they should buy the biggest tank that they can > afford and have > room for.  Tanks are tanks, and its just as much work > for a 10 as it is for > a 100, it just takes a big longer to do but the steps are > the same.  You > still have filter cleaning and water changes to do and with > a big tank, once > it's cycled-in, it just adds to your pleasure and you're > not out running > around buying another tank later, because the first one was > not big enough! > > Good Luck, > > Bill > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, dbrown1973@... > <dbrown1973@...> > wrote: > > > From: dbrown1973@... > <dbrown1973@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:39 AM My hubby is > deploying soon > > and I want to surprise him with his very own large > tank when he comes > > back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large > aquarium I can find in > > the local stores are bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do > they come > > larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck to > find anything > > larger than that size though....) We have the space > for a very large > > aquarium and I plan on taking all the time I need to > set it up, get it > > running, and get the fish in it. How many koi or > fantails or > > combination of these fish would be recommended for a > 75 gal tank? Is > > bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is > there a name for > > larger sized tanks? > > > > I'm going to get the plants here: > > http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passor > > t1.htm once I get the tank and put in the gravel and > run the water and > > let it set for about a month. Then I want to research > the fish - again > > I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and > wally world have > > some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish > available. [I tell > > y'all what - I cannot stand it to walk into a pet > store and smell all > > the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that way > with regular > > cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > > > Any suggestions/ideas/comments/questions? > > > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one > just the same way > > and have a school of neons. : ) It will be MY tank! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dani in ND > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38281	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles

Hah, not a mad scientist, but I was in work uniform at my last job (shipping and receiving for a seafoods store). But I wouldn't mind that title ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > LOL. On a side note. I just peeked at a few Yahoo Profiles of some of the > other group members and there are some cute lil avatars on some and some > downright funny stuff on others. Next time someone is bored at work, go > down the list of messages and open up some of the profiles. ;-) > > I didn't know that Danielle was a mermaid, that Gwydryn has a mean looking > Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those who misread > what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos.. lol), that > Amber has > her computer in her kitchen or she's really a mad scientist working > undercover as a FEDEX employee.... and I can't repeat what's on > ToddsWoman's > profile. ;-) > > I didn't check any of the guy's profiles... afraid of what might show up. > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Gwydryn@... <mailto:Gwydryn%40aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are > replying > to so we would know what you are referencing. > > I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume > you are > talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... > I am cute. ;-) LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38282	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

I have another question. I was doing a pwc and found a mystery snail that looked like it was covered with the sack yet but was a pretty decent size. Is it still alive or should i take it out of tank? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 6:13 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails If you go to http://Applesnail.net and then go to Anatomy and the Reproduction http://applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php, you will see the slight differences between males and females. It's not easy to figure it out though... especially since Mystery snails are like smaller versions of Apple snails, which grow to the size of a baseball where Mystery snails stay much smaller. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and > when they mate, the fe male will lay a large egg cluster right above > the water line of the tank ---- snipped ----- ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38283	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles

Ahhh.. OK.. that explains it. I didn't think that pic looked anything like a FEDEX office or uniform. I hope you're fish don't find out you use to work at a seafood store. :-O Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles Hah, not a mad scientist, but I was in work uniform at my last job (shipping and receiving for a seafoods store). But I wouldn't mind that title ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > LOL. On a side note. I just peeked at a few Yahoo Profiles of some of > the other group members and there are some cute lil avatars on some > and some downright funny stuff on others. Next time someone is bored > at work, go down the list of messages and open up some of the > profiles. ;-) > > I didn't know that Danielle was a mermaid, that Gwydryn has a mean > looking Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those > who misread what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos.. > lol), that Amber has her computer in her kitchen or she's really a mad > scientist working undercover as a FEDEX employee.... and I can't > repeat what's on ToddsWoman's profile. ;-) > > I didn't check any of the guy's profiles... afraid of what might show up. > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... > <mailto:Gwydryn%40aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are > replying to so we would know what you are referencing. > > I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume > you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with > admiring eyes... > I am cute. ;-) LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38284	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

I'm not sure what you mean by "covered with the sack"? Do you mean a newly hatched snail that might still have part of the egg on it? Can you take a photo? Most of the times, when a Mystery snail dies, the trap door (operculum) will be open and the foot will be exposed and hanging out... but sometimes they will decide to take a nap in that position also. Touch the foot with something and if it doesn't move... or pull back in the shell.. then the odds are that it is sick or dying. Next, lift it out the water and give it the old smell test... if it stinks to high heaven, then it's dead. If it only smells like a snail (slightly fishy smell), then it's still alive but if it still hasn't retracted into it's shell, then it's definitely not feeling well. At that point, I would go to the http://www.Applesnail.net forums (I think they call it "Discussions" on the buttons on the left) and post a new thread in the "Sick Snail" or Emergency forum so one of the experts over there can try and help. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails I have another question. I was doing a pwc and found a mystery snail that looked like it was covered with the sack yet but was a pretty decent size. Is it still alive or should i take it out of tank? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 6:13 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails If you go to http://Applesnail.net and then go to Anatomy and the Reproduction http://applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php, you will see the slight differences between males and females. It's not easy to figure it out though... especially since Mystery snails are like smaller versions of Apple snails, which grow to the size of a baseball where Mystery snails stay much smaller. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and > when they mate, the fe male will lay a large egg cluster right above > the water line of the tank ---- snipped -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38285	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

just looks like it has fuzzy stuff covering it and what looks like unhatched eggs  attached to it. but does look to be about a 1/4 inch in size Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 5:54 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails I'm not sure what you mean by "covered with the sack"? Do you mean a newly hatched snail that might still have part of the egg on it? Can you take a photo? Most of the times, when a Mystery snail dies, the trap door (operculum) will be open and the foot will be exposed and hanging out... but sometimes they will decide to take a nap in that position also. Touch the foot with something and if it doesn't move... or pull back in the shell.. then the odds are that it is sick or dying. Next, lift it out the water and give it the old smell test... if it stinks to high heaven, then it's dead. If it only smells like a snail (slightly fishy smell), then it's still alive but if it still hasn't retracted into it's shell, then it's definitely not feeling well. At that point, I would go to the http://www.Applesnail.net forums (I think they call it "Discussions" on the buttons on the left) and post a new thread in the "Sick Snail" or Emergency forum so one of the experts over there can try and help. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any ar ticles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails I have another question. I was doing a pwc and found a mystery snail that looked like it was covered with the sack yet but was a pretty decent size. Is it still alive or should i take it out of tank? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 6:13 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails If you go to http://Applesnail.net and then go to Anatomy and the Reproduction http://applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php, you will see the slight differences between males and females. It's not easy to figure it out though... especially since Mystery snails are like smaller versions of Apple snails, which grow to the size of a baseball where Mystery snails stay much smaller. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and > when they mate, the fe male will lay a large egg cluster right above > the water line of the tank ---- snipped ----- ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38286	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

On drift wood once one boils it do you need to let it cool before you put it in the tank? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38287	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

Yes. But leave it in the pot of water to cool down so it continues to soak up water. Getting driftwood to become waterlogged so it doesn't try to float is one of the tasks that must also be done during the cleaning/sanitizing process. Attaching a flat piece of slate to the driftwood with a stainless steel screw and then putting the slate on the bottom and then covering the slate with gravel is one of the more common ways to hold driftwood in place. See my blog about Driftwood for more details and info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails On drift wood once one boils it do you need to let it cool before you put it in the tank? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38288	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: about snails

OK. I would try to remove that excess egg clutch from the snail. Then you should be able to figure out if the snail is alive. You do NOT want that egg clutch deteriorating in your tank as it will foul the water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails just looks like it has fuzzy stuff covering it and what looks like unhatched eggs  attached to it. but does look to be about a 1/4 inch in size Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 5:54 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails I'm not sure what you mean by "covered with the sack"? Do you mean a newly hatched snail that might still have part of the egg on it? Can you take a photo? Most of the times, when a Mystery snail dies, the trap door (operculum) will be open and the foot will be exposed and hanging out... but sometimes they will decide to take a nap in that position also. Touch the foot with something and if it doesn't move... or pull back in the shell.. then the odds are that it is sick or dying. Next, lift it out the water and give it the old smell test... if it stinks to high heaven, then it's dead. If it only smells like a snail (slightly fishy smell), then it's still alive but if it still hasn't retracted into it's shell, then it's definitely not feeling well. At that point, I would go to the http://www.Applesnail.net forums (I think they call it "Discussions" on the buttons on the left) and post a new thread in the "Sick Snail" or Emergency forum so one of the experts over there can try and help. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any ar ticles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails I have another question. I was doing a pwc and found a mystery snail that looked like it was covered with the sack yet but was a pretty decent size. Is it still alive or should i take it out of tank? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 6:13 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails If you go to http://Applesnail.net and then go to Anatomy and the Reproduction http://applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php, you will see the slight differences between males and females. It's not easy to figure it out though... especially since Mystery snails are like smaller versions of Apple snails, which grow to the size of a baseball where Mystery snails stay much smaller. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: about snails Lenny, How would I know if I got a male or a female snail? lol Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Well, Mystery snails are sexed so there is a male and a female and > when they mate, the fe male will lay a large egg cluster right above > the water line of the tank ---- snipped -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38289	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters

It would be less expensive, likely, to go with separate filters and heaters, by the time you get a sump set-up, and all the water flowing properly through them. It is much easier to do if the system is planned in advance of the tanks being up and running, then you can properly drill the tanks for overflow tubes or create a box in one corner of the tank to serve as the overflow from which water is removed from the tank. These are then piped into a return line to the sump. A return line is much easier to do, but you need to have it valved, so that you can control the flow into each tank to be about equal. The downside of one filter for many tanks is disease and parasite transmission. Often a UV bulb is used to help control this, but it does not work against everything, though, properly sized, it should get most. Proper design of the overflows will prevent one or all tanks being emptied of water, which may happen if the siphon is used to remove water from the tanks rather than an overflow. The design of the sump itself is important as well. You need it large enough to provide water to replace that which evaporates between water changes. Many have a system that allows water to be added to the sump should the water level fall below a certain point. Yes, a sump (central filtration) is cool, but I do not believe that you will be saving yourself any money by doing this, though it will save some time in tank maintenance. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:10 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] filters > > I am having a few problems financially and would like some advice re > filters. > > I have 4 24" tanks waiting to go, however I am a bit fed up of buying > seperate filters for them all, or heaters for that matter, is it possible to > use a sump filter for all 4 of them with a heater in the sump filter ? > > Thanks All >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles

If they find out I'll have to pack 'em up and ship 'em out somewhere ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Ahhh.. OK.. that explains it. I didn't think that pic looked anything like > a FEDEX office or uniform. I hope you're fish don't find out you use to > work at a seafood store. :-O > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles > > Hah, not a mad scientist, but I was in work uniform at my last job > (shipping > and receiving for a seafoods store). But I wouldn't mind that title ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > LOL. On a side note. I just peeked at a few Yahoo Profiles of some of > > the other group members and there are some cute lil avatars on some > > and some downright funny stuff on others. Next time someone is bored > > at work, go down the list of messages and open up some of the > > profiles. ;-) > > > > I didn't know that Danielle was a mermaid, that Gwydryn has a mean > > looking Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those > > who misread what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos.. > > lol), that Amber has her computer in her kitchen or she's really a mad > > scientist working undercover as a FEDEX employee.... and I can't > > repeat what's on ToddsWoman's profile. ;-) > > > > I didn't check any of the guy's profiles... afraid of what might > show up. > > LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... > <mailto:Gwydryn%40aol.com> > > <mailto:Gwydryn%40aol.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are > > replying to so we would know what you are referencing. > > > > I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume > > you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with > > admiring eyes... > > I am cute. ;-) LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38291	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters

Thanks Steve, I build tanks from reclaimed glass when i get it, so I just thought it may be cheaper and easier. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Szabo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] filters It would be less expensive, likely, to go with separate filters and heaters, by the time you get a sump set-up, and all the water flowing properly through them. It is much easier to do if the system is planned in advance of the tanks being up and running, then you can properly drill the tanks for overflow tubes or create a box in one corner of the tank to serve as the overflow from which water is removed from the tank. These are then piped into a return line to the sump. A return line is much easier to do, but you need to have it valved, so that you can control the flow into each tank to be about equal. The downside of one filter for many tanks is disease and parasite transmission. Often a UV bulb is used to help control this, but it does not work against everything, though, properly sized, it should get most. Proper design of the overflows will prevent one or all tanks being emptied of water, which may happen if the siphon is used to remove water from the tanks rather than an overflow. The design of the sump itself is important as well. You need it large enough to provide water to replace that which evaporates between water changes. Many have a system that allows water to be added to the sump should the water level fall below a certain point. Yes, a sump (central filtration) is cool, but I do not believe that you will be saving yourself any money by doing this, though it will save some time in tank maintenance. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:10 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] filters > > I am having a few problems financially and would like some advice re > filters. > > I have 4 24" tanks waiting to go, however I am a bit fed up of buying > seperate filters for them all, or heaters for that matter, is it possible to > use a sump filter for all 4 of them with a heater in the sump filter ? > > Thanks All > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38292	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles

LOL!!!!! Uh yeah... <grin> I'm a mermaid.... hahahahaha Dani in ND - a frozen mermaid anyways, lol ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00:02 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Help Needed.. now member's Yahoo Profiles LOL. On a side note. I just peeked at a few Yahoo Profiles of some of the other group members and there are some cute lil avatars on some and some downright funny stuff on others. Next time someone is bored at work, go down the list of messages and open up some of the profiles. ;-) I didn't know that Danielle was a mermaid, that Gwydryn has a mean looking Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those who misread what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos.. lol), that Amber has her computer in her kitchen or she's really a mad scientist working undercover as a FEDEX employee.... and I can't repeat what's on ToddsWoman's profile. ;-) I didn't check any of the guy's profiles... afraid of what might show up. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot.. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@aol. com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help Needed In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:59:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@gmail. com writes: It would be better if you included some or all of the post you are replying to so we would know what you are referencing. I have no clue who or what is cute in this case.... so I'll presume you are talking about me... and yes, as I look in the mirror with admiring eyes... I am cute. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder alright!!!! Lets see a picture of your cute cajun mug Enid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38293	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: filters.

I have never had a tank larger than 10 gal. I am curious. how far down a tank does an HOB filters intake tube stick down one? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38294	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters.

It really depends on the filter itself, ideally it should be about 4 inches above the gravel (the end of the intake tube), from what I've read, I have some that don't reach as far because I need to get an adapter to lengthen the intake tube and I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > I have never had a tank larger than 10 gal. I am curious. how far down > a tank does an HOB filters intake tube stick down one? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38295	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Bowfront Aquarium Question

Hmmmmm.. Thank you all for replying back to me on the aquariums and especially the fish. I didn't know the kois needed so much room or got that huge! Yeah his aquarium is going to go downstairs in his man-cave in the basement. I'm just now trying to learn about sump pumps.... And then my aquarium (when I get it) is gonna go in the living room and I'm going to decorate around it. (The living room is completely empty and id just begging for plants and fish and furniture, lol.) I totally forgot how heavy tanks can get. Thanks for the reminder! Thanks for all the great info!! (And the great websites) Dani in ND ________________________________ From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:15:24 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question The largest tank I have seen in a store is a 300 gallon one. If I had a way of transporting it, I would have brought it home with me that day <g> as it had a very attractive price on it. You'll not see the bow front in the larger aquariums. I do not know what kind of pickings you will find in ND, but you may want to check out http://www.glasscages.com for their offerings, and they will, for a price, ship to you. The largest they show on the site is 500 gallons, but they can also custom build aquaria for you. Koi really do not do well in aquaria. They really get too large. An acquaintance of mine in MA over-wintered his koi in ponds he built in his basement. Goldfish need about 30 gallons per fish, The comet type need a good distance to swim in--read long tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > dbrown1973@ymail. com > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bowfront Aquarium Question > > My hubby is deploying soon and I want to surprise him with his very own large tank when he > comes back. He loves koi ad fantails. The only large aquarium I can find in the local stores are > bowfront aquariums at 75 gal. Do they come larger? (I'll probably have to travel to Bismarck > to find anything larger than that size though....) We have the space for a very large aquarium > and I plan on taking all the time I need to set it up, get it running, and get the fish in it. How > many koi or fantails or combination of these fish would be recommended for a 75 gal tank? Is > bowfront a brand name or a design name - I mean is there a name for larger sized tanks? > > I'm going to get the plants here: > http://www.aquabota nicstore. com/Hard_ to_Kill_Plant_ Assortment_ p/passort1 .htm once I get > the tank and put in the gravel and run the water and let it set for about a month. Then I want > to research the fish - again I'd have to go to Bismarck since the pet stores and wally world > have some real ugly/sick/weird fantails and koi fish available. [I tell y'all what - I cannot > stand it to walk into a pet store and smell all the urine and "stuff"! It should never be that > way with regular cleanings and good ventilation, ya know?!?!] > > Any suggestions/ ideas/comments/ questions? > > BTW, if this goes well, I'm gonna set up another one just the same way and have a school of > neons. : ) It will be MY tank! > > Thanks, > > Dani in ND > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38296	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: fish eggs

Sandi, No one seems to have answered you yet, but, yes, you can hatch the eggs--if you haven't discarded them already. Just put them in another container with water from the tank they were found in. If you can, float the container in that tank to maintain the temperature. Add an air stone and a gentle flow of bubbles. The eggs will probably hatch in a day or two. When the egg sacs disappear and they start to free swim, you can feed them with finely powdered flake or what every you are feeding the other fish. It may be a while before you can identify them. Once they have hatched out, you will need to do a daily water change in that container, and be ready to move them to a larger container as they grow. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sandra Turner > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 AM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] fish eggs > > > This morning I was cleanning some plants that I took out of my aquarium and noticed that > there were some fish eggs on the underside of 2 of the leaves. The leaves came detached > while I was cleaning them (they have black algae on them). Is there any way to save the eggs > or should I just discard them? I have a community tank so I don't know which fish layed > them. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38297	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: filters.

Depends on the filter brand/model. I have some that only have a single extension tube so it barely reaches the 1/2 mark. Other brands have multiple extension tubes and reach down nearly to the bottom. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] filters. I have never had a tank larger than 10 gal. I am curious. how far down a tank does an HOB filters intake tube stick down one? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38298	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hikari Fish Foods

I would try to rotate a few various types of frozen food with the Hikari. Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38299	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38300	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

And perhaps some recipes for it ;) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

Oh.. that's easy. Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here in N'Awlins! ;-) Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from Pascal's Manale Restaurant http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still dripping in hot & spicy flavors) The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? And perhaps some recipes for it ;) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38302	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: food for baby angle fish

Hi i have got some baby angle fish just hatched couple of days back...i asked my friend he advise me to give them infoseria.... can anybody advsie me a replacement of infoseria with can be available at the pet store. B.Rgds, Vaibhav Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38303	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

Arrgghh.. I asked for it Lenny, you're killin me. Been on a diet for two months. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? Oh.. that's easy. Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here in N'Awlins! ;-) Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from Pascal's Manale Restaurant http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still dripping in hot & spicy flavors) The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? And perhaps some recipes for it ;) -----Original Message--- -- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38304	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

What kind of diet? A seafood diet? Whenever you see food, you eat it! ;-) I haven't seen you posting out here lately. Has that diet caused you to get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? Arrgghh.. I asked for it Lenny, you're killin me. Been on a diet for two months. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? Oh.. that's easy. Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here in N'Awlins! ;-) Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from Pascal's Manale Restaurant http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still dripping in hot & spicy flavors) The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? And perhaps some recipes for it ;) -----Original Message--- -- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38305	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish

I see from your email address that you have a Yahoo India address. Are you in India? Do your local fish stores have a product called LiquiFry or Interpet brand products from the UK? What are some of the popular fish food brands in your area? Ask you store for any kind of liquid fry foods. There's a couple of different types. Scroll down to near the bottom of this page http://www.tropicalaquatics.co.uk/food.htm or http://shop.ebay.com/items/liquifry?_dmd=2&_sop=1 for more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaibhav Chaugule Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] food for baby angle fish Hi i have got some baby angle fish just hatched couple of days back...i asked my friend he advise me to give them infoseria.... can anybody advsie me a replacement of infoseria with can be available at the pet store. B.Rgds, Vaibhav

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38306	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

LOL No life has taken some good turns and some interesting turns. I occasionally approve some messages but have not participated further. I was working a decent amount of over time and my work time actually has to be directed at "work" now so less time for reading email. Going fish collecting next month in Florida, hopefully I will have some interesting stories to share when I get back. I will trade the see or sea food diet for the all pizza diet I was on before the weight loss one :) -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:08 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? What kind of diet? A seafood diet? Whenever you see food, you eat it! ;-) I haven't seen you posting out here lately. Has that diet caused you to get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater S hrimp is that??? Arrgghh.. I asked for it Lenny, you're killin me. Been on a diet for two months. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:32 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? Oh.. that's easy. Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here in N'Awlins! ;-) Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from Pascal's Manale Restaurant http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still dripping in hot & spicy flavors) The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? And perhaps some recipes for it ;) -----Original Message---0A -- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice looking shrimp. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38307	From: William	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish

Live foods like baby brine shrimp are very good for baby angelfish or in you can get them frozen baby brine shrimp are very convenient. I also will take my mortar and pestle and crush up a few different kinds of food small enough so that the babies can easily eat it. Make sure to syphon out any leftover foods so tht it does not rot in the tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I see from your email address that you have a Yahoo India address. Are you > in India? Do your local fish stores have a product called LiquiFry or > Interpet brand products from the UK? What are some of the popular fish food > brands in your area? Ask you store for any kind of liquid fry foods. > There's a couple of different types. Scroll down to near the bottom of this > page http://www.tropicalaquatics.co.uk/food.htm or > http://shop.ebay.com/items/liquifry?_dmd=2&_sop=1 for more info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Vaibhav Chaugule > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] food for baby angle fish > > Hi > > i have got some baby angle fish just hatched couple of days back...i asked > my friend he advise me to give them infoseria.... > > can anybody advsie me a replacement of infoseria with can be available at > the pet store. > > B.Rgds, > Vaibhav >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38308	From: William	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: N E C weekend this weekend

I am going to be there (The North East Council) and will be working the NEC conservation . I hope to see a few members there. If you do come by be sure to say Hi to me. If you are coming and have a few unusual or rare fish that you wish to donate for this worthwhile cause please feel free to do so. The auction will be a silent auction and the entire proceeds will be going to the North American Conservation.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38309	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

We do not need to hide the flavor of our lobsters and clams in New England with hot, burning spices, hence the delicate flavor of the lemon & butter. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? > > Oh.. that's easy. > > Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some > recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm > > MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here > in N'Awlins! ;-) > > Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from > Pascal's Manale Restaurant > http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still > dripping in hot & spicy flavors) > > The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Deenerz@... > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is > that??? > > > And perhaps some recipes for it ;) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is > that??? > > > One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice > > looking shrimp. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ > > Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38310	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: food for baby angle fish

I am in UAE...and we dont get all this stuff here..... --- On Thu, 19/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] food for baby angle fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 19 March, 2009, 11:47 AM I see from your email address that you have a Yahoo India address. Are you in India? Do your local fish stores have a product called LiquiFry or Interpet brand products from the UK? What are some of the popular fish food brands in your area? Ask you store for any kind of liquid fry foods. There's a couple of different types. Scroll down to near the bottom of this page http://www.tropical aquatics. co.uk/food. htm or http://shop. ebay.com/ items/liquifry? _dmd=2&_sop= 1 for more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Vaibhav Chaugule Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:02 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] food for baby angle fish Hi i have got some baby angle fish just hatched couple of days back...i asked my friend he advise me to give them infoseria... . can anybody advsie me a replacement of infoseria with can be available at the pet store. B.Rgds, Vaibhav Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38311	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend

So then I gather that the North American Conservation you'll be working will have a table in the vendor's room at the NEC? If so, I'll be sure to stop by; I mentioned several weeks ago that I'll be there, but won't get there until Saturday morning as I'm coming up with Ted Coletti (TFH columnist). I'll be wearing an Aquarium Hobby Historical Society button (has a reproduction of Innes' veiltail goldfish logo as found on the cover of a number of his earlier works). See ya there! Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > I am going to be there (The North East Council) and will be working the NEC conservation . I hope to see a few members there. If you do come by be sure to say Hi to me. If you are coming and have a few unusual or rare fish that you wish to donate for this worthwhile cause please feel free to do so. The auction will be a silent auction and the entire proceeds will be going to the North American Conservation. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38312	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38313	From: Rich	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Puffers

Pea (also known as Dwarf) puffers are very territorial in and of themselves. Stupid me listened to my LFS telling me 'oh, no, they're fine community fish' so I bought two for my tank full of Rasboras. Here's what happened: For a week, all was grand. Reason: The puffers were settling into their new enviornment. Their true personalities do not come out unless they're comfortable and settled. That's why they do "fine" with other fish in stores - there's a lot of change going on, and tanks don't include the many hiding places the little puffers need to feel secure. After the fish settled, one puffer started terrorizing the other puffer. Just wouldn't leave him alone. So, we returned him to the LFS. A couple days later, the remaining puffer started going after the rasboras, and shortly I had seven rasboras with ripped fins and highly stressed. Despite this, I thought the puffer was a cool fish, so I got a 5 gallon tank, cycled it with biospira, and removed the puffer to his own tank. Bottom line: There are always exceptions, but based on personal experience and those as dwarfpuffers.com, I'd have to say adding a dwarf puffer to your tank would be as disasterous as it was to mine.... They're a cool fish, very intelligent, somewhat high maintenance (can be VERY picky eaters, require VERY clean water and are messy), and the only tankmates folks have had a high level of success with are otos due to little spines on the oto fins discouraging the puffers. Otherwise, the puffer will either terrorize or be eaten by most everything else.... Rich > Hey guys. I am setting up a tank for some very small community fish. i > have a few things in it already. 2 guppies, 2 small tetras red eye > somethings, and 3 other tetras that i cannot remember the name of. > everyones happy go lucky in their 20 gallon. My question is... could a > Pea Puffer be happy in this environment? I know they do not get along > with anything territorial, but i dont believe these fishes are > territorial. I expect to get a cory cat and a dwarf pleco also. aside > from that i probably wouldnt intend to put anything else in the tank. > Anyone have any experience?   -- http://richweb.allpar.net/ Mopars, Music & More - since 1997 ~Where are we going, and how did we end up in this handbasket?~

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38314	From: William	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend

Yes we will have a table there in the vendors room. I am the man who wears a black hat 9with an ermine tail on the back ) and wears a full beard and lots of necklaces (most of which I made myself. I hope to see plenty of people there. I have still been looking for someone to pick up some fish from Mark (Anubiasdesign) that he said he would donate for this worthwhile cause. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > So then I gather that the North American Conservation you'll be working will have a table in the vendor's room at the NEC? If so, I'll be sure to stop by; I mentioned several weeks ago that I'll be there, but won't get there until Saturday morning as I'm coming up with Ted Coletti (TFH columnist). I'll be wearing an Aquarium Hobby Historical Society button (has a reproduction of Innes' veiltail goldfish logo as found on the cover of a number of his earlier works). See ya there! Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@> wrote: > > > > I am going to be there (The North East Council) and will be working the NEC conservation . I hope to see a few members there. If you do come by be sure to say Hi to me. If you are coming and have a few unusual or rare fish that you wish to donate for this worthwhile cause please feel free to do so. The auction will be a silent auction and the entire proceeds will be going to the North American Conservation. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38315	From: David Keymel	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Puffers

Alright thats what i was expecting, so ill just wait and perhaps get a small tank for one if my gf really wants one that bad. --Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Rich <njdevilshockey@...> wrote: > > Pea (also known as Dwarf) puffers are very territorial in and of themselves. > Stupid me listened to my LFS telling me 'oh, no, they're fine community > fish' so I bought two for my tank full of Rasboras. Here's what happened: > > For a week, all was grand. Reason: The puffers were settling into their new > enviornment. Their true personalities do not come out unless they're > comfortable and settled. That's why they do "fine" with other fish in stores > - there's a lot of change going on, and tanks don't include the many hiding > places the little puffers need to feel secure. > > After the fish settled, one puffer started terrorizing the other puffer. > Just wouldn't leave him alone. So, we returned him to the LFS. A couple days > later, the remaining puffer started going after the rasboras, and shortly I > had seven rasboras with ripped fins and highly stressed. Despite this, I > thought the puffer was a cool fish, so I got a 5 gallon tank, cycled it with > biospira, and removed the puffer to his own tank. > > Bottom line: There are always exceptions, but based on personal experience > and those as dwarfpuffers.com, I'd have to say adding a dwarf puffer to your > tank would be as disasterous as it was to mine.... > > They're a cool fish, very intelligent, somewhat high maintenance (can be > VERY picky eaters, require VERY clean water and are messy), and the only > tankmates folks have had a high level of success with are otos due to little > spines on the oto fins discouraging the puffers. Otherwise, the puffer will > either terrorize or be eaten by most everything else.... > > Rich > >> Hey guys. I am setting up a tank for some very small community fish. i >> have a few things in it already. 2 guppies, 2 small tetras red eye >> somethings, and 3 other tetras that i cannot remember the name of. >> everyones happy go lucky in their 20 gallon. My question is... could a >> Pea Puffer be happy in this environment? I know they do not get along >> with anything territorial, but i dont believe these fishes are >> territorial. I expect to get a cory cat and a dwarf pleco also. aside >> from that i probably wouldnt intend to put anything else in the tank. >> Anyone have any experience? > > > -- > http://richweb.allpar.net/ > Mopars, Music & More - since 1997 > ~Where are we going, and how did we end up in this handbasket?~ >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38316	From: RPI	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: now member's Yahoo Profiles

My doberman of 16 years died a couple years ago. I've had them 30-something years. Now, I have a dachschund and a lab and I'm picking my doberman up next week. :) Renee In a message dated 3/18/2009 8:07:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dbrown1973@... writes: that Gwydryn has a mean looking Dobie (Dobie, as in Doberman Pinscher... not doobie for those who misread what I typed as they were reaching for their Doritos tRUTH BE KNOWN, ORIGINALY IT WAS A DACHSHUND, but I upgraded it to a dobie in honor of a dobie I owned.....back in 87, now I own ( or am owned by) an evil dachshund, 3 vicious chihuahuas, a rat terrier and a pomeranian. Don't laugh, they are not ankle biters, they actually jump for the crotch........ These some serious personal protection dogs.... Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38317	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: N E C weekend this weekend

Ahhh, now I know who you are, and I'm sure you'll recognize me as well when we meet there. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > William > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:01 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: N E C weekend this weekend > > Yes we will have a table there in the vendors room. I am the man who wears a black hat 9with > an ermine tail on the back ) and wears a full beard and lots of necklaces (most of which I > made myself. I hope to see plenty of people there. I have still been looking for someone to > pick up some fish from Mark (Anubiasdesign) that he said he would donate for this > worthwhile cause. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > > > So then I gather that the North American Conservation you'll be working will have a table in > the vendor's room at the NEC? If so, I'll be sure to stop by; I mentioned several weeks ago > that I'll be there, but won't get there until Saturday morning as I'm coming up with Ted > Coletti (TFH columnist). I'll be wearing an Aquarium Hobby Historical Society button (has a > reproduction of Innes' veiltail goldfish logo as found on the cover of a number of his earlier > works). See ya there! Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@> wrote: > > > > > > I am going to be there (The North East Council) and will be working the NEC conservation . > I hope to see a few members there. If you do come by be sure to say Hi to me. If you are > coming and have a few unusual or rare fish that you wish to donate for this worthwhile cause > please feel free to do so. The auction will be a silent auction and the entire proceeds will be > going to the North American Conservation. > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38318	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Bloodworm

Ok I have looked at the auctions on ebay uk about bloodworm etc, now to my thinking if I buy the pellets how much actual bloodworm are they going to have in them ?, would I be better of buying freeze drieed ones and not the pellets, would I need the pellets for any particlar fish rather than the freeze dried ones.? Garry ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38319	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Freeze dried does not have as much nutrition and you have to soak them before you can feed them to your fish or they can cause intestinal issues. I try to buy as much froze food for my fish as I can, my fish store does not carry that many kinds though. Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > Ok I have looked at the auctions on ebay uk about bloodworm etc, now > to my > thinking if I buy the pellets how much actual bloodworm are they going to > have in them ?, would I be better of buying freeze drieed ones and not > the > pellets, would I need the pellets for any particlar fish rather than the > freeze dried ones.? > > Garry > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity > and ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38320	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Plant Nutrient & Lights

What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38321	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: about guppy fry

I now have my fry in a 10 gallon tank till they grow in size. I have a stocking over the filter intake and don't have the air pump going as the current would be too strong for them. When can I take the? stocking off? They are now about a half inch long. I put a rock with algae on it in the tank so they can have something to graze on and got a mystery snail in the tank as well now. I plan on doing pwc at least twice a week one time doing just a gallon the other time doing 2 gallons.?? I feed them frozen brine shrimp and tropical fish flake food ground up real fine. They seem to like that combo. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38322	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38324	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: about guppy fry

Hi, My fry are born into and left in a five gallon tank with a small power filter hung on the back.  I have three ages of fry in the tank-only a couple from each litter (is that the right word for fish?), but that's okay,  too many would overstock the tank.  I've never seen the need to put a stocking on the intake or reduce the filter flow-even newborns swim just fine. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens --- On Fri, 3/20/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] about guppy fry To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 11:48 AM I now have my fry in a 10 gallon tank till they grow in size. I have a stocking over the filter intake and don't have the air pump going as the current would be too strong for them. When can I take the? stocking off? They are now about a half inch long. I put a rock with algae on it in the tank so they can have something to graze on and got a mystery snail in the tank as well now. I plan on doing pwc at least twice a week one time doing just a gallon the other time doing 2 gallons.?? I feed them frozen brine shrimp and tropical fish flake food ground up real fine. They seem to like that combo. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38325	From: RPI	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

It is only hard in the beginning.:) Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38326	From: gail	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Gourami with red sore

My Blue Gourami has a red sore on his Right side near between his eye and his gill. I have quarantined him and I have been treating him with Melafix. I have been treating him for over a week and he isn't showing any signs of improving. He isn't glancing off objects, but I have noticed a decrease in his appetite. It seems like he mostly makes bubbles at the surface and just swims around.   any suggestions? Or do I just need to be more patient?   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38327	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

Thanks Lenny. This is my first try with live plants. In the 10 gal tank I have a pair of Honey gourami and 3 Otocinclus. For plants I have 2 Java Ferns, some Hornwort and an Anubias nana. The lighting is a single 15 watt bulb.. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:18 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy flow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38328	From: jocie stock	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

How much for some hornwort? --- On Fri, 3/20/09, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: From: J. Ford <ford@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 11:29 AM Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow com/members/ showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa com/people/ MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwood kennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that???

I hear you, but New Orleans food is still the best ever! Followed by Italian and then Tex Mex... Man I am getting hungry! On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > We do not need to hide the flavor of our lobsters and clams in New England > with hot, burning spices, hence the delicate flavor of the lemon & butter. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:32 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp >> is that??? >> >> Oh.. that's easy. >> >> Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's >> some >> recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm >> >> MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here >> in N'Awlins! ;-) >> >> Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from >> Pascal's Manale Restaurant >> http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still >> dripping in hot & spicy flavors) >> >> The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Deenerz@... >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp >> is >> that??? >> >> >> And perhaps some recipes for it ;) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is >> that??? >> >> >> One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice >> >> looking shrimp. >> >> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ >> >> Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? >> >> >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> the reply & if >> CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. >> "new >> subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38330	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

Flourish Excel may adversely affect Valisneria also, but as I understand it, this is highly dependant on your KH. These plants can use the carbon found as part of the KH, but Excel can severely restrict how much of this carbon can be separated from the KH (Calcium Carbonate, etc.) by the plants as it appears that the Excel already breaks a good portion of this down in the process of providing available carbon (which may promote a pH crash if the water has a low KH). Both of these plants may melt in the presence of Excel, which is why if this "liquid carbon" is used, it should be started out at half-strength. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. > The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or > the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the > fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've > seen/owned. > > If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might > be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types > which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know > Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot > recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's > site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank > but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will > remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. > > http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights > > > What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is > the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? > > Sent from my iPod > Jimmy >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38331	From: Gail	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

You can change a tank to freshwater if you'd like. for instance; I bought a 55 gallon bowfront that was a saltwater tank. It had a bit of residue. I wiped it up (it was empty BTW) and proceeded to put in my own gravel, filter, plants, fish, etc. I don't think you can convert salt water fish to like freshwater. I do know that a lot of the salt water fish are expensive (this is why I stay away) They can be as little as $30 for one fish. Or so I have seen at the LFS. I think it's tough enough managing a freshwater 55 gallon.. I cannot fathom a salt water set up. Also - I don't think that LFS have much of a guarantee on saltwater fish either, some of them can be really intolerant to changes. Also wait for feedback from some of the Saltwater hobbists :D -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38332	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

If it is a already running setup with rock, skimmer etc. Then it may not even be difficult at the startup J I just got one such system for a friend for GBP 150 + hiring a van to pick it up. Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RPI Sent: 20 March 2009 18:25 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? It is only hard in the beginning.:) Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@... <mailto:ford%40netonecom.net> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38333	From: tcollins490	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

hello Janet... The one thing you have to lean with salt water is not to rush it. YOu have to get it set up right from the start and you will have limited problems. The best thing to do is find a pet shop in your area that has salt water fish and talk with them. Those people will be more than willing to help you get it started right. The thing you should know is a saltwater tank is beautiful if it is done right but a lot more expensive to start up. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "J. Ford" <ford@...> wrote: > > Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? > Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! > If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? > Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. > > Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! > > Janet Ford > ---- > eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html > Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor > Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38334	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

From all I've read, I don't think "difficult" would be the word but it is usually much more expensive to keep a SW tank over a FW tank. What all are you getting for the $200.00? It's not difficult to convert SW systems to FW systems, although there may be some things they use on the SW tank that you will not necessarily need in FW... like a protein skimmer, although the skimmer can still be used as part of the overall filtration. FW fish are usually much less expensive and a FW tank can handle a larger bioload than a SW tank... and depending on your water source, if you have to buy an RO system to clean up your water for use in a SW tank, that could be costly as well. And lighting can be quite expensive as well if you want a reef tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? Is it difficult to learn to care for a saltwater tank? Or can you foresee danger just by that very question? Still searching for a large tank and someone just offered me a 75 gallon salt water set up for $200. Of course I'm tempted! If it's too difficult, would it be hard to convert this set up to fresh water? Sorry, that's all I know right now. Just curious if I should be considering it or not since I am not an expert fish keeper. Anyone want some hornwort? LOL Time to trim again. This stuff is monstrous in how fast it grows! Janet Ford ---- eHow Authority Writer - http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html Other Writing - http://www.bukisa.com/people/MissDemeanor Ironwood Coonhounds - http://www.ironwoodkennel.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38335	From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

There are also Flourish plant tabs that you can place under or near the roots to add nourishment. I have had excellent results with both the tabs and Excel in one tank where I did not add eco complete under the gravel. Barbara In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:38:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Thanks Lenny. This is my first try with live plants. In the 10 gal tank I have a pair of Honey gourami and 3 Otocinclus. For plants I have 2 Java Ferns, some Hornwort and an Anubias nana. The lighting is a single 15 watt bulb.. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:18 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy flow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38336	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

Yes, there are plenty of brands that make various plant fertilizer products but remember that a planted tank needs to have a balance of the trilogy - lighting, nutrients, CO2. If any of the three get too far out of balance, then algae is far more likely to become a problem. With a low-light tank, with easy-to-grow plants, there should be minimum amounts of nutrients and CO2. Usually, if there are fish, any uneaten food, fish poop, ammonia from urine and gill function, etc., provides plenty of nutrients. Further, the CO2 levels from the fish and surface gas exchange in a tropical tank are usually sufficient. I would go with just the natural nutrients and CO2 levels with the low lighting at first and see how things go. If there are problems, then those problems can be addressed.. usually changing the lighting schedule first... starting with 10 hours a day and then either upping the lighting to 12 hours if the plants aren't doing well or shortening the lighting to 8 hours a day if algae starts to grow too much. Some algae is normal in all tanks and can be used as a barometer for other things going on in a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxmillionmaxcat@... Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights There are also Flourish plant tabs that you can place under or near the roots to add nourishment. I have had excellent results with both the tabs and Excel in one tank where I did not add eco complete under the gravel. Barbara In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:38:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Thanks Lenny. This is my first try with live plants. In the 10 gal tank I have a pair of Honey gourami and 3 Otocinclus. For plants I have 2 Java Ferns, some Hornwort and an Anubias nana. The lighting is a single 15 watt bulb.. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:18 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38337	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami with red sore

Do you know what caused the sore in the first place? Was it an injury from being startled and running into some decoration or something? Was the red a surface injury or did it look like the redness was forming under the skin? If it's just a minor surface abrasion that is turning red, meaning it could be getting infected.. or just healing.. make sure to do frequent PWC's to keep the water quality in excellent condition. When doing a 25% PWC, remember to replace the proper amount of Melafix to the replacement water before adding it back to the tank. For example purposes only, if you've been adding 1ml per gallon and adding that dose for 3 days, then when you do a 25% PWC, you would want to add 3ml per gallon to the replacement water before adding it back to the tank. I normally do 25% PWC's daily when using Melafix or Pimafix since it is a low cost treatment. Good clean fresh water will do as much to help a fish recover from being sick as almost anything else. Remember, for labyrinth fish like Bettas and Gouramis, use only 1/2 dose of Melafix... or less. The fumes from Melafix have been reported to adversely affect them when they go up to breathe at the surface. This is further supported by the fact that API, the makers of Melafix, actually make a product called Bettafix that is only 1/10th strength but I've found that 1/2 strength seems to be OK. No use in buying Bettafix which costs about the same as Melafix when you can just buy Melafix and decrease the dosage so you get much more product/treatment for the same price. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gourami with red sore My Blue Gourami has a red sore on his Right side near between his eye and his gill. I have quarantined him and I have been treating him with Melafix. I have been treating him for over a week and he isn't showing any signs of improving. He isn't glancing off objects, but I have noticed a decrease in his appetite. It seems like he mostly makes bubbles at the surface and just swims around.   any suggestions? Or do I just need to be more patient?   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38338	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

So far the Java Fern and Anubiss nana both look ok, but the Hornwort looks like it is losing it's green color. It has only been planted for about a 10 days. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 21, 2009, at 5:15 AM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Yes, there are plenty of brands that make various plant fertilizer products but remember that a planted tank needs to have a balance of the trilogy - lighting, nutrients, CO2. If any of the three get too far out of balance, then algae is far more likely to become a problem. With a low-light tank, with easy-to-grow plants, there should be minimum amounts of nutrients and CO2. Usually, if there are fish, any uneaten food, fish poop, ammonia from urine and gill function, etc., provides plenty of nutrients. Further, the CO2 levels from the fish and surface gas exchange in a tropical tank are usually sufficient. I would go with just the natural nutrients and CO2 levels with the low lighting at first and see how things go. If there are problems, then those problems can be addressed.. usually changing the lighting schedule first... starting with 10 hours a day and then either upping the lighting to 12 hours if the plants aren't doing well or shortening the lighting to 8 hours a day if algae starts to grow too much. Some algae is normal in all tanks and can be used as a barometer for other things going on in a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxmillionmaxcat@aol..com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups..com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights There are also Flourish plant tabs that you can place under or near the roots to add nourishment. I have had excellent results with both the tabs and Excel in one tank where I did not add eco complete under the gravel. Barbara In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:38:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Thanks Lenny. This is my first try with live plants. In the 10 gal tank I have a pair of Honey gourami and 3 Otocinclus. For plants I have 2 Java Ferns, some Hornwort and an Anubias nana. The lighting is a single 15 watt bulb.. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:18 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy rp-msg p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Plant Nutrient & Lights

I would let the Hornwort float for a while so, hopefully, it starts doing better. By floating, it can get more CO2 from surface air, if that's what it needs. And it will still be able to suck up nutrients and CO2 from the water and put out O2 in the water. Hornwort, like Anacharis, does not have to be planted and actually has a very poor root system for planting anyhow. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:08 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights So far the Java Fern and Anubiss nana both look ok, but the Hornwort looks like it is losing it's green color. It has only been planted for about a 10 days. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 21, 2009, at 5:15 AM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: Yes, there are plenty of brands that make various plant fertilizer products but remember that a planted tank needs to have a balance of the trilogy - lighting, nutrients, CO2. If any of the three get too far out of balance, then algae is far more likely to become a problem. With a low-light tank, with easy-to-grow plants, there should be minimum amounts of nutrients and CO2. Usually, if there are fish, any uneaten food, fish poop, ammonia from urine and gill function, etc., provides plenty of nutrients. Further, the CO2 levels from the fish and surface gas exchange in a tropical tank are usually sufficient. I would go with just the natural nutrients and CO2 levels with the low lighting at first and see how things go. If there are problems, then those problems can be addressed.. usually changing the lighting schedule first... starting with 10 hours a day and then either upping the lighting to 12 hours if the plants aren't doing well or shortening the lighting to 8 hours a day if algae starts to grow too much. Some algae is normal in all tanks and can be used as a barometer for other things going on in a tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxmillionmaxcat@aol..com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups..com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights There are also Flourish plant tabs that you can place under or near the roots to add nourishment. I have had excellent results with both the tabs and Excel in one tank where I did not add eco complete under the gravel. Barbara In a message dated 3/20/2009 4:38:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Thanks Lenny. This is my first try with live plants. In the 10 gal tank I have a pair of Honey gourami and 3 Otocinclus. For plants I have 2 Java Ferns, some Hornwort and an Anubias nana. The lighting is a single 15 watt bulb.. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:18 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: If you have fish in the tank, you really shouldn't need any other additives. The standard lighting, either the two 7W tubular incandescent light bulbs or the single 15W fluorescent tube should be more than enough light.. with the fluorescent being the better lighting option on most 10G tanks that I've seen/owned. If you don't have fish, the below level doses of something like Excel might be OK BUT Excel has been known to adversely affect a couple of plant types which are in the easy to grow plant list. Off the top of my head, I know Excel is NOT good for Anacharis but there is another plant that I cannot recall that is also adversely affected by Excel. The FAQ's on SeaChem's site says to only dose every other day if you have Anacharis in your tank but do not mention any other plants. Maybe one of the other members will remember the other plant(s) that do not do well with Excel. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant Nutrient & Lights What is a good nutrient for low light plants? Is Fourish Excel good? What is the minimum light required on a 10 gal tank for low light plants? Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38340	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my panda catfish. Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned about him. Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. Thx Carole in Las Vegas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38341	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: 34th NEC

Here I am, at the NEC weekend. For those of you able to make it to the auction Sunday, meaning you are close to Farmington, CT, you can take a look at the convention web site to see most of the auction lots posted. The list is a bit short right now, but they have said it would be further updated sometime today. Also to come are some photos of the people here and the events happening. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38342	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to act differently even aggressively. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I > noticed > one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my panda > catfish. > Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but now > has > gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned about him. > Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a guppy > would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. > Thx > Carole in Las Vegas > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38343	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal tank. Is that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No other changes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > act differently even aggressively. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I >> noticed >> one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my panda >> catfish. >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but now >> has >> gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned about him. >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a guppy >> would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. >> Thx >> Carole in Las Vegas >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38344	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

7, 2 inch or so guppies add up to 14 or more inches total of fish, that's more than the "fish killing 1 inch rule" (as lenny calls it, lol). Plus your 2 catfish. That added up to overcrowded to me, but perhaps Lenny can clarify, I'm still new to all this myself. It's possible that the catfish could be sick and the guppy is picking up on the changes in the catfish and could be harassing it, but I'm not sure. Amber onelvlady wrote: > > Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal > tank. Is > that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No > other > changes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > > act differently even aggressively. > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I > >> noticed > >> one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my panda > >> catfish. > >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but now > >> has > >> gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned about him. > >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a > guppy > >> would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. > >> Thx > >> Carole in Las Vegas > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

What kind of catfish? I'm not familiar with just a catfish called a "panda catfish"? How big are they supposed to get? Are they Panda Corydoras? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_panda.html I would probably not put more than six male guppies http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html in a 10G tank so counting your two catfish, you have nine fish which isn't grossly overstocked as long as you do twice weekly PWC's and tank maintenance to keep up the water quality. For fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults, you can usually use the 1 gallon per inch guideline. Since male guppies grow to at least 2", even six of them would be overstocking a 10G tank. With 7 of them, you should have 14G. If the two catfish are Panda Corys, then you should have another 4G for them since they grow to around 2" also. A 20g tank would be better for that stocking level but if you do 2 or 3 25% PWC's a week, then that would be much better. If you have live plants, that would also be better. It could be that basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, is taking over so the fish might be trying to eliminate the competition.. or it could be a sick fish or just an overly aggressive guppy. Let us know what kind of catfish. Some stay as small as 1.5" and others grow to over 6 feet long... and there are literally thousands of species of catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal tank. Is that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No other changes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > act differently even aggressively. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I >> noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my >> panda catfish. >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but >> now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned >> about him. >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a >> guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. >> Thx >> Carole in Las Vegas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38346	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Lenny, Amber. Yes the one that is being picked on is a Panda Corydora. Since I have been on this list, I am extremely careful about the water conditions, PWCs and number of fish. I have another 10 gal with fry so in about a week I could could move a couple of the males over there. The Panda is still hiding. I feel I am going to lose him. I hate losing fish!!! It bothers me a lot and especially when I don't really understand why. The 7 boys have been together for awhile. I have noticed that this particular lier tail sometimes gets an attitude toward the others but I have never seen him harass a catfish before. I'll keep you posted about the Panda. I feel so bad for him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish What kind of catfish? I'm not familiar with just a catfish called a "panda catfish"? How big are they supposed to get? Are they Panda Corydoras? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_panda.html I would probably not put more than six male guppies http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html in a 10G tank so counting your two catfish, you have nine fish which isn't grossly overstocked as long as you do twice weekly PWC's and tank maintenance to keep up the water quality. For fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults, you can usually use the 1 gallon per inch guideline. Since male guppies grow to at least 2", even six of them would be overstocking a 10G tank. With 7 of them, you should have 14G. If the two catfish are Panda Corys, then you should have another 4G for them since they grow to around 2" also. A 20g tank would be better for that stocking level but if you do 2 or 3 25% PWC's a week, then that would be much better. If you have live plants, that would also be better. It could be that basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, is taking over so the fish might be trying to eliminate the competition.. or it could be a sick fish or just an overly aggressive guppy. Let us know what kind of catfish. Some stay as small as 1.5" and others grow to over 6 feet long... and there are literally thousands of species of catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal tank. Is that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No other changes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > act differently even aggressively. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I >> noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my >> panda catfish. >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but >> now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned >> about him. >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a >> guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. >> Thx >> Carole in Las Vegas ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38347	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: How much gravel?

Does it matter how much gravel in a freshwater aquarium? It occurred to me that it might be easier to get out the gunk and plec poop if there were less gravel. A web search didn't help - one site said 1/4 inch, another site said 2 inches. I have a 20 gal. long with platys, two cory cats, and one plec, with about half an inch of gravel; and a 40-gallon with one full grown cichlid convict, four zebra danios, and one plec, with one to one-half inches of gravel (the depth of gravel varies of course because the cichlid moves it around - nesting I guess). Thanks.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38348	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Could you get one of them in-tank breeder nets? I use to use one as a time-out pen for an aggressive male zebra danio that I had a couple of years ago. Whenever he would start getting too nippy with his tank mates, I'd put the breeder net in the tank (hanging on the front of the tank) and then net him and leave him in time-out for a day or so and when he was freed, he would be more timid for quite a while until a time-out was needed again... it seemed like every couple of months. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Lenny, Amber. Yes the one that is being picked on is a Panda Corydora. Since I have been on this list, I am extremely careful about the water conditions, PWCs and number of fish. I have another 10 gal with fry so in about a week I could could move a couple of the males over there. The Panda is still hiding. I feel I am going to lose him. I hate losing fish!!! It bothers me a lot and especially when I don't really understand why. The 7 boys have been together for awhile. I have noticed that this particular lier tail sometimes gets an attitude toward the others but I have never seen him harass a catfish before. I'll keep you posted about the Panda. I feel so bad for him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish What kind of catfish? I'm not familiar with just a catfish called a "panda catfish"? How big are they supposed to get? Are they Panda Corydoras? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_panda.html I would probably not put more than six male guppies http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html in a 10G tank so counting your two catfish, you have nine fish which isn't grossly overstocked as long as you do twice weekly PWC's and tank maintenance to keep up the water quality. For fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults, you can usually use the 1 gallon per inch guideline. Since male guppies grow to at least 2", even six of them would be overstocking a 10G tank. With 7 of them, you should have 14G. If the two catfish are Panda Corys, then you should have another 4G for them since they grow to around 2" also. A 20g tank would be better for that stocking level but if you do 2 or 3 25% PWC's a week, then that would be much better. If you have live plants, that would also be better. It could be that basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, is taking over so the fish might be trying to eliminate the competition.. or it could be a sick fish or just an overly aggressive guppy. Let us know what kind of catfish. Some stay as small as 1.5" and others grow to over 6 feet long... and there are literally thousands of species of catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal tank. Is that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No other changes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > act differently even aggressively. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I >> noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my >> panda catfish. >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but >> now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned >> about him. >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a >> guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. >> Thx >> Carole in Las Vegas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38349	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?

A lot of the gravel level suggestions you will find in books or on the net are based on two things... 1) a planted tank with live plants and 2) the use of a UGF (under gravel filter). If you do not have a UGF and you do not have a planted tank, then you need very little gravel... just enough to make things aesthetically pleasing. I'm not even sure that a thick layer is needed with a UGF filter. Of course, the gravel sellers recommend 2" to 3" of gravel but then they are trying to sell gravel and don't have to clean it once it's in our tanks. ;-) I only use 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank and only around an inch in other tanks, since a thick layer of gravel only traps more poop/detritus and is harder to clean. I do use 2" and 3" clay pots in that tank filled with gravel for my plants. It's much easier to vacuum the gravel every week with only a 1/2" to 1" layer, compared to when I had a couple of inches of gravel several years back. I think a 1/4" of gravel would be tough to do since that would be only one layer thick. Even with 1/2" to 1", I sometimes get bald spots on the bottom of my goldfish tank from them moving the gravel around while foraging for scraps. Some folks in the goldfish hobby have tried bare-bottomed tanks to try and make them self cleaning with the filters/powerheads but usually go back to having some gravel as a bare-bottomed tank will show up every piece of poop/detritus until it is cleaned up. I only use a bare bottomed quarantine tank so that I can see the fish poop for diagnosis purposes and for easier set-up and cleaning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Reichard Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much gravel? Does it matter how much gravel in a freshwater aquarium? It occurred to me that it might be easier to get out the gunk and plec poop if there were less gravel. A web search didn't help - one site said 1/4 inch, another site said 2 inches. I have a 20 gal. long with platys, two cory cats, and one plec, with about half an inch of gravel; and a 40-gallon with one full grown cichlid convict, four zebra danios, and one plec, with one to one-half inches of gravel (the depth of gravel varies of course because the cichlid moves it around - nesting I guess). Thanks.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38350	From: bigrichoo@yahoo.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?

In a freshwater setup the gravel serves no purpose but looks. If you don't have any live plants then use less gravel Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Shirley Reichard" <shrlycat@...> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:05:46 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] How much gravel? Does it matter how much gravel in a freshwater aquarium? It occurred to me that it might be easier to get out the gunk and plec poop if there were less gravel. A web search didn't help - one site said 1/4 inch, another site said 2 inches. I have a 20 gal. long with platys, two cory cats, and one plec, with about half an inch of gravel; and a 40-gallon with one full grown cichlid convict, four zebra danios, and one plec, with one to one-half inches of gravel (the depth of gravel varies of course because the cichlid moves it around - nesting I guess). Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38351	From: onelvlady	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

OK, I have one of those isolation net tanks. Thanks for the idea. The Panda came out for a few minutes but is hiding again. He looked OK to me but his top fin was down. to be continued.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Could you get one of them in-tank breeder nets? I use to use one as a time-out pen for an aggressive male zebra danio that I had a couple of years ago. Whenever he would start getting too nippy with his tank mates, I'd put the breeder net in the tank (hanging on the front of the tank) and then net him and leave him in time-out for a day or so and when he was freed, he would be more timid for quite a while until a time-out was needed again... it seemed like every couple of months. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Lenny, Amber. Yes the one that is being picked on is a Panda Corydora. Since I have been on this list, I am extremely careful about the water conditions, PWCs and number of fish. I have another 10 gal with fry so in about a week I could could move a couple of the males over there. The Panda is still hiding. I feel I am going to lose him. I hate losing fish!!! It bothers me a lot and especially when I don't really understand why. The 7 boys have been together for awhile. I have noticed that this particular lier tail sometimes gets an attitude toward the others but I have never seen him harass a catfish before. I'll keep you posted about the Panda. I feel so bad for him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish What kind of catfish? I'm not familiar with just a catfish called a "panda catfish"? How big are they supposed to get? Are they Panda Corydoras? http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_panda.html I would probably not put more than six male guppies http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html in a 10G tank so counting your two catfish, you have nine fish which isn't grossly overstocked as long as you do twice weekly PWC's and tank maintenance to keep up the water quality. For fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults, you can usually use the 1 gallon per inch guideline. Since male guppies grow to at least 2", even six of them would be overstocking a 10G tank. With 7 of them, you should have 14G. If the two catfish are Panda Corys, then you should have another 4G for them since they grow to around 2" also. A 20g tank would be better for that stocking level but if you do 2 or 3 25% PWC's a week, then that would be much better. If you have live plants, that would also be better. It could be that basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, is taking over so the fish might be trying to eliminate the competition.. or it could be a sick fish or just an overly aggressive guppy. Let us know what kind of catfish. Some stay as small as 1.5" and others grow to over 6 feet long... and there are literally thousands of species of catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the 10 gal tank. Is that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until yesterday. No other changes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many in one tank? It > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that can cause fish to > act differently even aggressively. > > Amber > > onelvlady wrote: >> >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal tank. Yesterday I >> noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in tank) picking on my >> panda catfish. >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he scooted out but >> now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out and I am concerned >> about him. >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't understand why a >> guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. Any advice appreciated. >> Thx >> Carole in Las Vegas ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38352	From: bill1433	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much gravel?

Please remember one other very important factor, SPACE! The more gravel you put in, the less room for the WATER! Fish need water. A lot of it. Gravel? They can do without but you will need some or your decorations will float away. <grin> Just a thought, Bill --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much gravel? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 8:27 PM > A lot of the gravel level suggestions > you will find in books or on the net > are based on two things... 1) a planted tank with live > plants and 2) the use > of a UGF (under gravel filter).  If you do not have a > UGF and you do not > have a planted tank, then you need very little gravel... > just enough to make > things aesthetically pleasing.  I'm not even sure that > a thick layer is > needed with a UGF filter.  Of course, the gravel > sellers recommend 2" to 3" > of gravel but then they are trying to sell gravel and don't > have to clean it > once it's in our tanks. ;-)  > > I only use 1/2" to 1" of gravel in my goldfish tank and > only around an inch > in other tanks, since a thick layer of gravel only traps > more poop/detritus > and is harder to clean.  I do use 2" and 3" clay pots > in that tank filled > with gravel for my plants.  It's much easier to vacuum > the gravel every week > with only a 1/2" to 1" layer, compared to when I had a > couple of inches of > gravel several years back.  I think a 1/4" of gravel > would be tough to do > since that would be only one layer thick.  Even with > 1/2" to 1", I sometimes > get bald spots on the bottom of my goldfish tank from them > moving the gravel > around while foraging for scraps. > > Some folks in the goldfish hobby have tried bare-bottomed > tanks to try and > make them self cleaning with the filters/powerheads but > usually go back to > having some gravel as a bare-bottomed tank will show up > every piece of > poop/detritus until it is cleaned up.  I only use a > bare bottomed quarantine > tank so that I can see the fish poop for diagnosis purposes > and for easier > set-up and cleaning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] How much gravel? > > Does it matter how much gravel in a freshwater aquarium? It > occurred to me > that it might be easier to get out the gunk and plec poop > if there were less > gravel. A web search didn't help - one site said 1/4 inch, > another site said > 2 inches. > > I have a 20 gal. long with platys, two cory cats, and one > plec, with about > half an inch of gravel; and a 40-gallon with one full grown > cichlid convict, > four zebra danios, and one plec, with one to one-half > inches of gravel (the > depth of gravel varies of course because the cichlid moves > it around - > nesting I guess).  Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38353	From: bill1433	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Male Guppy picking on catfish

Buy him a small cave or rock to hide under. Panda's take a bit of time and do not like to get picked on too much so give him a bit of cover. He will be fine. They also do best in a group, 5 or 6 in a 20 gallon long is fine. Bill --- On Sat, 3/21/09, onelvlady <onelvlady@...> wrote: > From: onelvlady <onelvlady@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 8:47 PM > OK, I have one of those isolation net > tanks.  Thanks for the idea.  The > Panda came out for a few minutes but is hiding again.  > He looked OK to me > but his top fin was down. > > to be continued.......... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:13 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > > Could you get one of them in-tank breeder nets?  I use > to use one as a > time-out pen for an aggressive male zebra danio that I had > a couple of years > ago.  Whenever he would start getting too nippy with > his tank mates, I'd put > the breeder net in the tank (hanging on the front of the > tank) and then net > him and leave him in time-out for a day or so and when he > was freed, he > would be more timid for quite a while until a time-out was > needed again... > it seemed like every couple of months. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > Lenny, Amber.  Yes the one that is being picked on is > a Panda Corydora. > Since I have been on this list, I am extremely careful > about the water > conditions, PWCs and number of fish.  I have another > 10 gal with fry so in > about a week I could could move a couple of the males over > there.  The Panda > is still hiding.  I feel I am going to lose him.  > I hate losing fish!!!  It > bothers me a lot and especially when I don't really > understand why. > > The 7 boys have been together for awhile.  I have > noticed that this > particular lier tail sometimes gets an attitude toward the > others but I have > never seen him harass a catfish before. > > I'll keep you posted about the Panda.  I feel so bad > for him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > > What kind of catfish?  I'm not familiar with just a > catfish called a "panda > catfish"?  How big are they supposed to get?  Are > they Panda Corydoras? > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_panda.html > > I would probably not put more than six male guppies > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html > in a 10G tank so > counting your two catfish, you have nine fish which isn't > grossly > overstocked as long as you do twice weekly PWC's and tank > maintenance to > keep up the water quality.  For fish that stay under > 3" as full grown > adults, you can usually use the 1 gallon per inch > guideline.  Since male > guppies grow to at least 2", even six of them would be > overstocking a 10G > tank.  With 7 of them, you should have 14G.  If > the two catfish are Panda > Corys, then you should have another 4G for them since they > grow to around 2" > also.  A 20g tank would be better for that stocking > level but if you do 2 or > 3 25% PWC's a week, then that would be much better.  > If you have live > plants, that would also be better. > > It could be that basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, > is taking over so > the fish might be trying to eliminate the competition.. or > it could be a > sick fish or just an overly aggressive guppy. > > Let us know what kind of catfish.  Some stay as small > as 1.5" and others > grow to over 6 feet long... and there are literally > thousands of species of > catfish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > Amber - I have 7 male guppies and two small catfish in the > 10 gal tank.  Is > that too many???? They have all gotten along fine until > yesterday.  No other > changes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife]Male Guppy picking on catfish > > > > Perhaps your guppies are stressed from having too many > in one tank? It > > sounds to me like your tank is overstocked and that > can cause fish to > > act differently even aggressively. > > > > Amber > > > > onelvlady wrote: > >> > >> Hi again - I have another "situation" in my 10 gal > tank. Yesterday I > >> noticed one of my male guppies (total 7 males in > tank) picking on my > >> panda catfish. > >> Today I had to move an ornament to find him and he > scooted out but > >> now has gone back into hiding. He won't come out > and I am concerned > >> about him. > >> Would a guppy pick on him if he was sick? I don't > understand why a > >> guppy would pick on a catfish in the first place. > Any advice appreciated. > >> Thx > >> Carole in Las Vegas > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38354	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Sick Gourami

Hi Tania, (this reply has some additional info from my private reply I sent a moment ago but I also wanted to start a thread in the group so others can also learn) Sorry. Your email went into my Junk mail folder for some reason. I only check it every couple of days... unless I'm looking for something... so I just got it. I know in the various goldfish/koi groups/forums, this is occasionally done by a member but I've never seen it done on a Gourami before so I wouldn't know where to insert the needle. It's usually done by a veterinarian. I'm not sure I would even try this on my own but if there are no veterinarian options or other options, I guess anything is possible. Check out the following articles, http://thegab.org/Articles/Buoyancy.html, http://thegab.org/Articles/GoldfishInternalAnatomy.html, http://thegab.org/Links/GoldfishProcedures.html, http://thegab.org/Articles/CystAspiration.html and also join this forum http://thegab.org and maybe one of the members there will know of a specific article with detailed instructions on doing this procedure on a Gourami. Things are able to be done on goldfish and Koi that can't be done on other fish as easily due to the smaller size of other fish... but at least Gouramis are getting a little bigger in size compared to much smaller tropical fish. Last but not least, go to my blog on the Disease & Illness Diagnosis & Treatment page, http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml and check out the links to veterinarians and read my instructions about possibly finding a university veterinary school that might offer free services for performing such a procedure. While it's certainly OK for you to email me directly, also send a copy to the group so I'll have a better chance of getting it quicker since spam filters seem to grab good emails on occasion. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: taniaamthor@... [mailto:taniaamthor@...] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:18 AM To: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Subject: Sick Gourami Hey Lenny+ Friends, Thanks for your advice. I am still in the sam e position with my sick. Gourami fish, I stopped the Maracyn 1+2(he got 2 wks, no improvement, still alive though), he's not interested in eating peas or medicated food. He is very swollen with air throughout the belly and head down with his tail out of the water in a qt . I read that a fish doc recommends sticking a needle into the fish and sucking out the air as a remedy. http://www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/swim_bladder_disease/ I thought I could try that as a last resort, although it seems I should stick the needle into the belly as that's where the air is stuck, I don't even know where to poke for the swim bladder if I had to. It would be wise however to put him temporarily to sleep/numb for this though. I know some people don't have luck waking the fish up again so I wanted your advice on how to go about this(putting to sleep, where to poke, or what to do instead of this) and what you would do in this situation. Thank you so much for your help. I really wanna help my little tough guy make it. Cheers + thanks gain in advance. Best, Tania Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38355	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: about filters

I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 gallons filter does.? What are your thoughts on these filters? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 all these look good and are with in my price range. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38356	From: bill1433	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

Kate, I just started using this filter: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 So far I am not thrilled with its performance but its only running 10 days and I continue to have cloudy water. Why I am giving you this information is because it was recommended here on the group by others. My conclusions so far would make me re-think HOB filters altogether and go with something like the Rena canister filter, if you have the money to do it. They offer superior filter media area to HOB's and are easy to maintain. HOB's are good filters but I feel they are really for tanks 29-gallon and below. For a 30 on up I would consider the canister. IMHO, Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:57 AM > > I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 > gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. The > water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 gallons filter > does.? > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38357	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

How much did it cost you? am going to get one for my 30 gal tank and the prices does seem reasonable. Is itpossible to use a check to order it by? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about filters Kate, I just started using this filter: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 So far I am not thrilled with its performance but its only running 10 days and I continue to have cloudy water. Why I am giving you this information is because it was recommended here on the group by others. My conclusions so far would make me re-think HOB filters altogether and go with something like the Rena canister filter, if you have the money to do it. They offer superior filter media area to HOB's and are easy to maintain. HOB's are good filters but I feel they are really for tanks 29-gallon and below. For a 30 on up I would consider the canister. IMHO, Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:57 AM > > I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 > gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. The > water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 gallons filter > does.? > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.=C 2´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38358	From: bill1433	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

I used a credit card to make the purchase and the price was about 36.00 but remember if you go with them there is also a 9.99 shipping charge on orders under $60 dollars. Maybe check around your fish room for other bits and pieces you might be in need of. I just got a mail from them the other day and they have quit a few fish food items on sale over the next week or two. I have been pleased with the quality of their products and all past orders have arrived in good condition. I live in an area that is NOT the hub of the tropical fish industry and so, do a lot of on line shopping. I have found that in many cases their prices are just as good as LPS and usually better, even with the shipping charges. Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 2:41 PM > > How much did it cost you? am going to get one for my 30 > gal tank and the prices does seem reasonable. Is itpossible > to use a check to order it by? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 2:07 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I just started using this filter: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 > > So far I am not thrilled with its performance but its only > running 10 days and I > continue to have cloudy water.  Why I am giving you > this information is because > it was recommended here on the group by others.  My > conclusions so far would > make me re-think HOB filters altogether and go with > something like the Rena > canister filter, if you have the money to do it.  They > offer superior filter > media area to HOB's and are easy to maintain.  HOB's > are good filters but I feel > they are really for tanks 29-gallon and below.  For a > 30 on up I would consider > the canister. > > IMHO,  Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:57 AM > > > >  I am probably going to have to get a new filter > for my 30 > > gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. > The > > water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 > gallons filter > > does.? > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.=C > 2´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38359	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

I haven't checked the links yet but in my recent price shopping, PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared to places like http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com and others. PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive online prices but in the past six months, they've made their online prices around the same as their store prices where they use to be 20-50% less online. I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters. I would seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost effective and reliable filter system. Stay away from the Rena since it requires you to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be cleaned so you are stuck with replacing them. The AquaClear filters use filter media that can be cleaned and reused over and over and over so you never have to buy any filter cartridges. About the only thing I add to the AquaClear is a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon packet. I save the carbon for when/if I need it to remove a medication or contamination. Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in most tanks on an ongoing basis. I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a complaint. Bill, Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the carbon? I also recall you saying you had a white cloud which is usually related to a bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that isn't fully cycled. Isn't this the cause of your cloudy water? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 gallons filter does.? What are your thoughts on these filters? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 all these look good and are with in my price range. Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38360	From: J. Ford	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

Thanks for the feedback, all. Sorry I delayed in responding. I've had a nasty cold. For reference, I was asking how difficult it would be for a newbie to properly care for a saltwater tank. I was offered a 75 g saltwater tank for $200. I was shopping for FW tank but this sounds wonderful. He even offered to deliver it and set it up for me! Here's what he has to say in regards to my asking what was included. ==== I will take some pictures tomorrow and email them. I am including everything! The main 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon refugium ( biological filter), stand, lighting, rock, fish (2 clown fish, 1 hippo tang, and 1 cardinal), fish and coral food, water testing equipment, and a few books on different fish, there is more to this list I just named some of the bigger parts. The only items you might need to buy would be a UV light ($100 ish @ VIPets you might find one online cheaper) and some cleaner crabs ( $9 @ at VIPets) and snails ($3.25 @ at VIPets) to help keep any algae issues to a minimum. I think there are probably a few more things I might be forgetting. ==== Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

One other thing... what kind of filter do you currently have? Brand and model. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 gal tank as the filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt flowing out like I have seen my 10 gallons filter does.? What are your thoughts on these filters? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 all these look good and are with in my price range. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38362	From: rsteph49	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Best Specific Gravity?

I'm curious what the commonly accepted "ideal specific gravity" is for salt water? I've got a 20 gallon LRWF tank, kept at roughly 78 degrees Farenheit. My hydrometer seems to indicate that the ideal range is between 1.020 and 1.023 (which is roughly what I've heard from some other sources. However I recently figured out that the fish store where I tend to get my Salt Water keeps their water at 1.026. My tank has been high for a while now and I've been doing a mix of Salt and RO water to try and bring it down - anywhere from 1/2 and 1/2 for small water changes, and 2/3 salt 1/3 RO for larger water changes (I've been trying not to kill anything by dumping water too close to freshwater. Right now it's a live rock tank with 2 fish, a starfish, cleaner shrimp, and a couple of crabs and snails. I've been thinking about changing my light from it's current 50/50, to something more condusive to corals, and getting an Anemone for the clown fish. But first I'd like to make sure I have my specific gravity right. All my other chemical levels are doing pretty good. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38363	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Woohoo I got

Given a Jack Dempsey today for nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many kids it eats a day?. Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or firemouths.? Garry ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38364	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got

What size tank? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Given a Jack Dempsey today for nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many kids it eats a day?. Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or firemouths.? Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38365	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died)

What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The tank had a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small plec. I watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and I loved watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I did a water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and continued to thrive. The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the roots of a live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to diagnose what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new fish. I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I want to clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in it. But with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean the 20 gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some sites (maybe here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know that if any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. So, how best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral elements that may remain?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38366	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got

Its sitting in a 8'x3'x4' tank on the floor, no idea of gallons but its a lot of water!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got What size tank? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Given a Jack Dempsey today for nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many kids it eats a day?. Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or firemouths.? Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38367	From: RPI	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Best Specific Gravity?

I generally keep it at 1.024 to 1.025. Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "rsteph49" <rsteph49@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Specific Gravity? I'm curious what the commonly accepted "ideal specific gravity" is for salt water? I've got a 20 gallon LRWF tank, kept at roughly 78 degrees Farenheit. My hydrometer seems to indicate that the ideal range is between 1.020 and 1.023 (which is roughly what I've heard from some other sources. However I recently figured out that the fish store where I tend to get my Salt Water keeps their water at 1.026. My tank has been high for a while now and I've been doing a mix of Salt and RO water to try and bring it down - anywhere from 1/2 and 1/2 for small water changes, and 2/3 salt 1/3 RO for larger water changes (I've been trying not to kill anything by dumping water too close to freshwater. Right now it's a live rock tank with 2 fish, a starfish, cleaner shrimp, and a couple of crabs and snails. I've been thinking about changing my light from it's current 50/50, to something more condusive to corals, and getting an Anemone for the clown fish. But first I'd like to make sure I have my specific gravity right. All my other chemical levels are doing pretty good. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38368	From: RPI	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got

Well, according to calculations, that is just about 700 gallons. Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Its sitting in a 8'x3'x4' tank on the floor, no idea of gallons but its a lot of water!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got What size tank? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Given a Jack Dempsey today for nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many kids it eats a day?. Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or firemouths.? Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38369	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got

Garry, I remember you're in the UK but for US Gallons, there's a formula, in inches, LxWxH divided by 231= US Gallons. I'm sure you can do the conversion from US to UK. So the formula in your case would be 96x36x48/231 = 718 US Gallons.... probably around 650 UK Gallons??... yep, a LOT of water. ;-) Since the tank is so large, you have many stocking options since there's enough room to create a few territories... even for BIG fish. If the JD has been in the tank as his own, he may not take well to adding new fish so you'll have to be very careful. One thing that can help is redecorating any rock formations, plants, etc., right before adding another fish so that there will then be no definite territory but the JD and the new fish may still spar while determining who will get what. JD's get their name for a reason. Do a LOT more reading of reliable care sheets and profiles to learn more of their personality. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Its sitting in a 8'x3'x4' tank on the floor, no idea of gallons but its a lot of water!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got What size tank? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got Given a Jack Dempsey today for nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many kids it eats a day?. Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or firemouths.? Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38370	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Best Specific Gravity?

1.020 is fine for a fish only tank but if you start keeping corals then you might want to gradually increase it to 1.024-1.026. Anemones are difficult things to keep and usually require high lighting and strong flow but still run the risk of one of them moving into a powerhead and killing the entire tank. I personally don’t think an anemone would be a good idea for a beginner (2-3 yrs of coral keeping experience). Having an anemone is not a requirement to keep clowns happy as they can many times host on various corals as well but if not, they still don’t need an anemone and there is no guarantee that they will still host with an anemone when you get it. Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rsteph49 Sent: 22 March 2009 21:21 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Specific Gravity? I'm curious what the commonly accepted "ideal specific gravity" is for salt water? I've got a 20 gallon LRWF tank, kept at roughly 78 degrees Farenheit. My hydrometer seems to indicate that the ideal range is between 1.020 and 1.023 (which is roughly what I've heard from some other sources. However I recently figured out that the fish store where I tend to get my Salt Water keeps their water at 1.026. My tank has been high for a while now and I've been doing a mix of Salt and RO water to try and bring it down - anywhere from 1/2 and 1/2 for small water changes, and 2/3 salt 1/3 RO for larger water changes (I've been trying not to kill anything by dumping water too close to freshwater. Right now it's a live rock tank with 2 fish, a starfish, cleaner shrimp, and a couple of crabs and snails. I've been thinking about changing my light from it's current 50/50, to something more condusive to corals, and getting an Anemone for the clown fish. But first I'd like to make sure I have my specific gravity right. All my other chemical levels are doing pretty good. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38371	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

Hi Len, No pad in the box. Since you already know that I am new to this filter, I wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am not happy with its circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium water that it is in. I assembled the filter as directed with the carbon pack in place as per directions from the manufacture. Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical make up and the length of in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not circulating 100% of the aquarium’s water in the standard 29-gallon tank. To that end, I use some harmless red food dye to study its circulation of the water. While it did fine on the left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, it did little it the right hand side of the tank where there is no piping, at least not yet.. Looking at this result and fearing the worst, a possible “cold spot” in the tanks temperature, I remedied the situation by using one of those larger air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation of water as to temperature but as to actual filtering to move the water over to the inlet pipe, the jury’s still out on that one. To be fair and give the filter it’s due, it has only been up and running for 12 days and I would have thought that it should have cleared a cloudy tank by now especially with the carbon pack, it has not. This tank was clear and well-established BEFORE I added the filter to replace one that was already there and was moved to another tank. I took more than the usual precautions of transferring media to insure a good colony of bacteria but it has not happened yet. To date, I must say that I am disappointed with its performance. All water parameters are fine and fish are doing ok but they keep asking me about the cloudy water! Rams are very intelligent fish! On your remarks about the Rena filter? True, replacement of media at some point, is a must but when you consider the sheer size of the media doing the filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the expense is well worth the results. Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > I haven't checked the links yet but > in my recent price shopping, > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared to > places like > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com and others. > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive online > prices but in the > past six months, they've made their online prices around > the same as their > store prices where they use to be 20-50% less online. > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters.  > I would seriously > recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost effective and > reliable filter > system.  Stay away from the Rena since it requires you > to buy expensive > cartridges that cannot be cleaned so you are stuck with > replacing them.  The > AquaClear filters use filter media that can be cleaned and > reused over and > over and over so you never have to buy any filter > cartridges.  About the > only thing I add to the AquaClear is a layer of floss pad > instead of the > carbon packet.  I save the carbon for when/if I need > it to remove a > medication or contamination.  Otherwise, carbon is not > really needed in most > tanks on an ongoing basis. > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a > complaint.  > > Bill, > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the > carbon?  I also recall you > saying you had a white cloud which is usually related to a > bacterial bloom > in a newly set up tank that isn't fully cycled.  Isn't > this the cause of > your cloudy water?  > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 > gal tank as the > filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt flowing > out like I have > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38372	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Woohoo I got

Either one. IF------the tank is large, over 100 gallons and the new fish are at least the same size BUT, usually a Jack Dempsey will fight with any one, that's how he got his name! Use great care adding any fish and stand-by for combat! Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: > From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Woohoo I got > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:46 PM > Given a Jack Dempsey today for > nothing, its huge, a whale, wonder how many > kids it eats a day?. > > Would I be better of putting oscars in with it or > firemouths.? > > Garry > > >     >     >         > ___________________________________________________________ > > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its > simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38373	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died)

How long has the tank been set up? Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate really bad water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish are less hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place to develop the fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. With all of the external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there also comes many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the extra care that will be required. Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper filter maintenance and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's (partial water changes)? Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might cost. Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test kits for under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If you had a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.... any test results that you may have as those may well explain the reason for your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G long is a decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... goldfish and common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. Possibly a 20G long would be OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized tank (48" x 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim around as they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of other goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are usually the most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores do not tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more with very good filtration and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. Goldfish are also eating/pooping machines. If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this time) and clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, meaning you will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen cycle process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria product to instantly cycle the newly set up tank. So much more but I'll wait for your answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Reichard Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died) What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The tank had a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small plec. I watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and I loved watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I did a water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and continued to thrive. The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the roots of a live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to diagnose what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new fish. I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I want to clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in it. But with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean the 20 gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some sites (maybe here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know that if any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. So, how best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral elements that may remain?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38374	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

Bill, I want to clarify. The Rena filter I was referring to was the HOB filter that the OP had linked. The Rena Filstar canister filters are perfectly OK, have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and clean without never having to be replaced... and I have and use two of them.... but recently Rena came out with their "Smart" lineup, including the smart HOB filter and smart heater which I believe you checked out or possibly even own. The Rena "Smart" HOB is only smart if you consider that Rena was pretty smart in designing a sealed square filter cartridge that could not be maintained/cleaned by the consumer and has to be replaced... so they were smart in getting at more of the consumers money... pretty smart in the current economic situation some are seeing... but not smart for these consumers. Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of the tank? I've found that ALL filter systems will result in slow zones depending on how they are set up. HOB's are more prone to this since you do not have the options of placing the intake and output lines like what is available with a canister filter system. Sometimes, having these areas of high filtration and low filtration are good in a community tank where some fish might hang out in the faster areas and others might prefer the more sedentary areas... just like in a natural river/stream. I don't think you'll really have cold zones of anything to worry about since the water is still circulating a little bit even in the more sedentary areas and that water is in direct contact with the rest of the tank so it will assume the same temperature. I guess if your room temp was extremely cold, this might make a difference but I don't think it will. So... do your fish now think they live in the Red Sea? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters Hi Len, No pad in the box. Since you already know that I am new to this filter, I wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am not happy with its circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium water that it is in. I assembled the filter as directed with the carbon pack in place as per directions from the manufacture. Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical make up and the length of in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not circulating 100% of the aquarium’s water in the standard 29-gallon tank. To that end, I use some harmless red food dye to study its circulation of the water. While it did fine on the left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, it did little it the right hand side of the tank where there is no piping, at least not yet.. Looking at this result and fearing the worst, a possible “cold spot” in the tanks temperature, I remedied the situation by using one of those larger air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation of water as to temperature but as to actual filtering to move the water over to the inlet pipe, the jury’s still out on that one. To be fair and give the filter it’s due, it has only been up and running for 12 days and I would have thought that it should have cleared a cloudy tank by now especially with the carbon pack, it has not. This tank was clear and well-established BEFORE I added the filter to replace one that was already there and was moved to another tank. I took more than the usual precautions of transferring media to insure a good colony of bacteria but it has not happened yet. To date, I must say that I am disappointed with its performance. All water parameters are fine and fish are doing ok but they keep asking me about the cloudy water! Rams are very intelligent fish! On your remarks about the Rena filter? True, replacement of media at some point, is a must but when you consider the sheer size of the media doing the filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the expense is well worth the results. Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > I haven't checked the links yet but > in my recent price shopping, > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared to places like > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com and others. > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive online prices but in > the past six months, they've made their online prices around the same > as their store prices where they use to be 20-50% less online. > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters. I would > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost effective and > reliable filter system.  Stay away from the Rena since it requires you > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be cleaned so you are stuck > with replacing them.  The AquaClear filters use filter media that can > be cleaned and reused over and over and over so you never have to buy > any filter cartridges.  About the only thing I add to the AquaClear is > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon packet.  I save the carbon > for when/if I need it to remove a medication or contamination.  > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in most tanks on an ongoing > basis. > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a complaint. > > Bill, > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the carbon?  I also > recall you saying you had a white cloud which is usually related to a > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that isn't fully cycled.  Isn't > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > I am probably going to have to get a new filter for my 30 > gal tank as the > filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt flowing > out like I have > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38375	From: twoneill3	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip

Help, I have an olded ~ 20yr 24" perfecto flourescent light strip that has the trigger (push and hold 5 second) on/off switch. This is the setup without a starter. Can anyone tell me where I can get a replacement switch? The original switch gets stuck and no longer works.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38376	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

That certainly sounds like a good deal but it looks like there may not be a filter system other than the refugium... which is OK and actually adds 30G of water volume to the overall ecology... a 40% increase in water volume. I'm not sure a UV light is necessary. I don't think they are necessary in FW tanks and with live coral, etc., it would seem that you would want live microbial life in the water column for the purpose of feeding the coral. As far as getting a new clean-up crew, that sounds like a good thing but I'm not a SW tank keeper so I can only go by all that I've read. He doesn't specifically mention a hydrometer so that might be something you'll need to check and maintain your salinity levels. He does mention "water testing equipment" so maybe that includes a master test kit and a hydrometer. He sounds like a motivated seller so you might have to make your decision quick or another buyer might pop up. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? Thanks for the feedback, all. Sorry I delayed in responding. I've had a nasty cold. For reference, I was asking how difficult it would be for a newbie to properly care for a saltwater tank. I was offered a 75 g saltwater tank for $200. I was shopping for FW tank but this sounds wonderful. He even offered to deliver it and set it up for me! Here's what he has to say in regards to my asking what was included. ==== I will take some pictures tomorrow and email them. I am including everything! The main 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon refugium ( biological filter), stand, lighting, rock, fish (2 clown fish, 1 hippo tang, and 1 cardinal), fish and coral food, water testing equipment, and a few books on different fish, there is more to this list I just named some of the bigger parts. The only items you might need to buy would be a UV light ($100 ish @ VIPets you might find one online cheaper) and some cleaner crabs ( $9 @ at VIPets) and snails ($3.25 @ at VIPets) to help keep any algae issues to a minimum. I think there are probably a few more things I might be forgetting. ==== Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38377	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

No, Sorry if I confused. The Rena is the canister type , sitting on the floor and not hanging over the back of the tank at: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 The filter in use here is a new Aqua Clear 50 from: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 That being said, I trust we are back on the same page again? If you dropped in on some of my other postings you will see what I mean. My conclusions at this point are simple. For any tank 30 gallon and above I would use either the Rena or go with two (2) Aqua Clear’s. You just don’t not have the filtering capacity for the demands of a large tank. I can see, as I suspected, from my own testing that this is fact not fiction. If it is not moving water sufficiently with regards to temperature, how can it possibly be filtering well. From these conclusions you would then ask yourself why would you use two of them? Would it not be easier to just buy the Rena in the first place. Again, I must restate, these are my own humble conclusions from my own testing. I am from the old school and still believe that any filter that is used should first provide, mechanical filtration of the water, next to allow for biological filtration to take place at some point in its cycle time and third to provide by all these means, some clarity to the water it self. If it does not, the filter is not doing its job properly. Now for some more old school thinking. Just how much are you getting for your dollar? This is obviously where the Aqua Clear wins out. But again, it’s the old story of getting what you pay for. For smaller tanks the Aqua Clear is fine but for larger, above 30-gallon tanks, I stand by my original statement. In my case I would have the choice of running the filter on the left or right hand side of the tank. Because of the hood configuration, I could not run it directly in the center. OR I could simply purchase another filter for the opposing side of the tank. In that manner, I could then sit back and stare at the tank and wonder why I did not just buy a Rena in the first place. Bill --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:22 AM > Bill, > > I want to clarify.  The Rena filter I was referring to > was the HOB filter > that the OP had linked.  The Rena Filstar canister > filters are perfectly OK, > have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and clean > without never having > to be replaced... and I have and use two of them.... but > recently Rena came > out with their "Smart" lineup, including the smart HOB > filter and smart > heater which I believe you checked out or possibly even > own.  The Rena > "Smart" HOB is only smart if you consider that Rena was > pretty smart in > designing a sealed square filter cartridge that could not > be > maintained/cleaned by the consumer and has to be > replaced... so they were > smart in getting at more of the consumers money... pretty > smart in the > current economic situation some are seeing... but not smart > for these > consumers. > > Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of the > tank?  I've found that > ALL filter systems will result in slow zones depending on > how they are set > up.  HOB's are more prone to this since you do not > have the options of > placing the intake and output lines like what is available > with a canister > filter system.  Sometimes, having these areas of high > filtration and low > filtration are good in a community tank where some fish > might hang out in > the faster areas and others might prefer the more sedentary > areas... just > like in a natural river/stream.  I don't think you'll > really have cold zones > of anything to worry about since the water is still > circulating a little bit > even in the more sedentary areas and that water is in > direct contact with > the rest of the tank so it will assume the same > temperature.  I guess if > your room temp was extremely cold, this might make a > difference but I don't > think it will. > > So... do your fish now think they live in the Red Sea? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > Hi Len, > > No pad in the box.  Since you already know that I am > new to this filter, I > wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am not happy > with its > circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium water that it > is in.  I > assembled the filter as directed with the carbon pack in > place as per > directions from the manufacture. > > Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical make up > and the length of > in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not circulating 100% > of the aquarium’s > water in the standard 29-gallon tank.  To that end, I > use some harmless red > food dye to study its circulation of the water.  While > it did fine on the > left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, it did > little it the right > hand side of the tank where there is no piping, at least > not yet..  Looking > at this result and fearing the worst, a possible “cold > spot” in the tanks > temperature, I remedied the situation by using one of those > larger > air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation of water as > to temperature > but as to actual filtering to move the water over to the > inlet pipe, the > jury’s still out on that one. > > To be fair and give the filter it’s due, it has only been > up and running for > 12 days and I would have thought that it should have > cleared a cloudy tank > by now especially with the carbon pack, it has not.  > This tank was clear and > well-established BEFORE I added the filter to replace one > that was already > there and was moved to another tank.  I took more than > the usual precautions > of transferring media to insure a good colony of bacteria > but it has not > happened yet.  To date, I must say that I am > disappointed with its > performance.  All water parameters are fine and fish > are doing ok but they > keep asking me about the cloudy water!  Rams are very > intelligent fish! > > On your remarks about the Rena filter?  True, > replacement of media at some > point, is a must but when you consider the sheer size of > the media doing the > filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the expense is > well worth the > results. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > > I haven't checked the links yet but > > in my recent price shopping, > > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared > to places like > > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com and others. > > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive > online prices but in > > the past six months, they've made their online prices > around the same > > as their store prices where they use to be 20-50% less > online. > > > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters. > I would > > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost > effective and > > reliable filter system.  Stay away from the Rena > since it requires you > > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be cleaned so > you are stuck > > with replacing them.  The AquaClear filters use > filter media that can > > be cleaned and reused over and over and over so you > never have to buy > > any filter cartridges.  About the only thing I add to > the AquaClear is > > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon packet.  I > save the carbon > > for when/if I need it to remove a medication or > contamination.  > > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in most tanks > on an ongoing > > basis. > > > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a > complaint. > > > > Bill, > > > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the > carbon?  I also > > recall you saying you had a white cloud which is > usually related to a > > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that isn't > fully cycled.  Isn't > > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > >  I am probably going to have to get a new filter > for my 30 > > gal tank as the > > filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt > flowing > > out like I have > > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38378	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip

You might want to try eBay.. or Perfecto. I forget who owns them now but even they likely will not have the replacement parts from that long ago. This Wikipedia, found with a Google of "who owns perfecto aquarium" might give you an answer.... but I still think you're best bet will be eBay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_Brands Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of twoneill3 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip Help, I have an olded ~ 20yr 24" perfecto flourescent light strip that has the trigger (push and hold 5 second) on/off switch. This is the setup without a starter. Can anyone tell me where I can get a replacement switch? The original switch gets stuck and no longer works.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38379	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

I have both an aquaclear and now 2 rena filstar canister filters. I would say that both are easy to clean, although I just set up the rena's last week so I have yet to do my first maintenance I can see that they will already be fairly easy to clean. I have my aquaclear on a tank with other filters so I don't have to worry about dead spots and such, but I can say that it doesn't circulate the water as well as a canister filter does, but for the price it's a decent replacement for a canister filter. I plan on using one canister filter and the aquaclear on my 55 gallon for my hillstream loaches so that they will be plenty of water circulation and it shouldn't over do it as it might with 2 canister filters running on it. I recommend putting the HOB filters toward the middle of the tank as Lenny suggested, as that's probably the most efficient circulation in a tank, but I also agree that it might work better if you use 2 lower powered HOB filters (AC), one on each side of the tank, rather than 1 higher powered aquaclear filter. I have come to prefer the canister filters over all the other kinds since they are easier to clean and they don't get in the way as much as a HOB filter does (with lights, hoods, space, etc). Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > No, > > Sorry if I confused. The Rena is the canister type , sitting on the > floor and not hanging over the back of the tank at: > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602> > > The filter in use here is a new Aqua Clear 50 from: > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610> > > That being said, I trust we are back on the same page again? > If you dropped in on some of my other postings you will see what I > mean. My conclusions at this point are simple. For any tank 30 gallon > and above I would use either the Rena or go with two (2) Aqua Clear’s. > You just don’t not have the filtering capacity for the demands of a > large tank. I can see, as I suspected, from my own testing that this > is fact not fiction. If it is not moving water sufficiently with > regards to temperature, how can it possibly be filtering well. From > these conclusions you would then ask yourself why would you use two of > them? Would it not be easier to just buy the Rena in the first place. > > Again, I must restate, these are my own humble conclusions from my own > testing. I am from the old school and still believe that any filter > that is used should first provide, mechanical filtration of the water, > next to allow for biological filtration to take place at some point in > its cycle time and third to provide by all these means, some clarity > to the water it self. If it does not, the filter is not doing its job > properly. > > Now for some more old school thinking. Just how much are you getting > for your dollar? This is obviously where the Aqua Clear wins out. But > again, it’s the old story of getting what you pay for. For smaller > tanks the Aqua Clear is fine but for larger, above 30-gallon tanks, I > stand by my original statement. In my case I would have the choice of > running the filter on the left or right hand side of the tank. Because > of the hood configuration, I could not run it directly in the center. > OR I could simply purchase another filter for the opposing side of the > tank. In that manner, I could then sit back and stare at the tank and > wonder why I did not just buy a Rena in the first place. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:22 AM > > Bill, > > > > I want to clarify. The Rena filter I was referring to > > was the HOB filter > > that the OP had linked. The Rena Filstar canister > > filters are perfectly OK, > > have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and clean > > without never having > > to be replaced... and I have and use two of them.... but > > recently Rena came > > out with their "Smart" lineup, including the smart HOB > > filter and smart > > heater which I believe you checked out or possibly even > > own. The Rena > > "Smart" HOB is only smart if you consider that Rena was > > pretty smart in > > designing a sealed square filter cartridge that could not > > be > > maintained/cleaned by the consumer and has to be > > replaced... so they were > > smart in getting at more of the consumers money... pretty > > smart in the > > current economic situation some are seeing... but not smart > > for these > > consumers. > > > > Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of the > > tank? I've found that > > ALL filter systems will result in slow zones depending on > > how they are set > > up. HOB's are more prone to this since you do not > > have the options of > > placing the intake and output lines like what is available > > with a canister > > filter system. Sometimes, having these areas of high > > filtration and low > > filtration are good in a community tank where some fish > > might hang out in > > the faster areas and others might prefer the more sedentary > > areas... just > > like in a natural river/stream. I don't think you'll > > really have cold zones > > of anything to worry about since the water is still > > circulating a little bit > > even in the more sedentary areas and that water is in > > direct contact with > > the rest of the tank so it will assume the same > > temperature. I guess if > > your room temp was extremely cold, this might make a > > difference but I don't > > think it will. > > > > So... do your fish now think they live in the Red Sea? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > Hi Len, > > > > No pad in the box. Since you already know that I am > > new to this filter, I > > wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am not happy > > with its > > circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium water that it > > is in. I > > assembled the filter as directed with the carbon pack in > > place as per > > directions from the manufacture. > > > > Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical make up > > and the length of > > in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not circulating 100% > > of the aquarium’s > > water in the standard 29-gallon tank. To that end, I > > use some harmless red > > food dye to study its circulation of the water. While > > it did fine on the > > left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, it did > > little it the right > > hand side of the tank where there is no piping, at least > > not yet.. Looking > > at this result and fearing the worst, a possible “cold > > spot” in the tanks > > temperature, I remedied the situation by using one of those > > larger > > air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation of water as > > to temperature > > but as to actual filtering to move the water over to the > > inlet pipe, the > > jury’s still out on that one. > > > > To be fair and give the filter it’s due, it has only been > > up and running for > > 12 days and I would have thought that it should have > > cleared a cloudy tank > > by now especially with the carbon pack, it has not. > > This tank was clear and > > well-established BEFORE I added the filter to replace one > > that was already > > there and was moved to another tank. I took more than > > the usual precautions > > of transferring media to insure a good colony of bacteria > > but it has not > > happened yet. To date, I must say that I am > > disappointed with its > > performance. All water parameters are fine and fish > > are doing ok but they > > keep asking me about the cloudy water! Rams are very > > intelligent fish! > > > > On your remarks about the Rena filter? True, > > replacement of media at some > > point, is a must but when you consider the sheer size of > > the media doing the > > filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the expense is > > well worth the > > results. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > > > I haven't checked the links yet but > > > in my recent price shopping, > > > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared > > to places like > > > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, <http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com,> > http://www.ThatFishPlace.com <http://www.ThatFishPlace.com> and others. > > > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive > > online prices but in > > > the past six months, they've made their online prices > > around the same > > > as their store prices where they use to be 20-50% less > > online. > > > > > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters. > > I would > > > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost > > effective and > > > reliable filter system. Stay away from the Rena > > since it requires you > > > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be cleaned so > > you are stuck > > > with replacing them. The AquaClear filters use > > filter media that can > > > be cleaned and reused over and over and over so you > > never have to buy > > > any filter cartridges. About the only thing I add to > > the AquaClear is > > > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon packet. I > > save the carbon > > > for when/if I need it to remove a medication or > > contamination. > > > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in most tanks > > on an ongoing > > > basis. > > > > > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a > > complaint. > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the > > carbon? I also > > > recall you saying you had a white cloud which is > > usually related to a > > > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that isn't > > fully cycled. Isn't > > > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > I am probably going to have to get a new filter > > for my 30 > > > gal tank as the > > > filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt > > flowing > > > out like I have > > > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162> > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028> > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1> > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1> > > > > > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38380	From: bill1433	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

Hi Amber, You probably came to the same, or near same conclusions that I did. Years ago we used raw power. The filters in use then would easily turn a 55-gallon tank 9 times in an hour! Our big mistake back then was removing the filter media and cleaning the devil out of it and in most cases re-cycling it all over again each time we did. But in defense of own ignorance, back then we all used the infamous “under gravel filter”. Power heads not with standing, they were great. After the initial cycling of 4 to 6 weeks, unless you over-fed the tank hard, you had crystal clear water with no dead spots anywhere. You had to be careful with the power heads back then. Some folks went crazy and used to many units per tank and they soon had gravel compacted so hard by the pull, that it was like concrete! There is such a thing as “too much of a good thing” But that aside, they worked great. They DO NOT negate the practice of regular PWC’s or cleaning and vacuuming the gravel and at the usual intervals. This is what proved to be their down fall. Many, many people thought of them as true filters, they were not. They were water movers to provide an excellent house for those good nitrifying bacteria. If used in the proper manner they made tank teardowns a thing that occurred once every five years at best, and even then really at the discretion of the owner rather than from need of the aquarium. I know I did it. Ah, the good ol’ days, Bill --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 12:17 PM > I have both an aquaclear and now 2 > rena filstar canister filters. I > would say that both are easy to clean, although I just set > up the rena's > last week so I have yet to do my first maintenance I can > see that they > will already be fairly easy to clean. > I have my aquaclear on a tank with other filters so I don't > have to > worry about dead spots and such, but I can say that it > doesn't circulate > the water as well as a canister filter does, but for the > price it's a > decent replacement for a canister filter. I plan on using > one canister > filter and the aquaclear on my 55 gallon for my hillstream > loaches so > that they will be plenty of water circulation and it > shouldn't over do > it as it might with 2 canister filters running on it. > I recommend putting the HOB filters toward the middle of > the tank as > Lenny suggested, as that's probably the most efficient > circulation in a > tank, but I also agree that it might work better if you use > 2 lower > powered HOB filters (AC), one on each side of the tank, > rather than 1 > higher powered aquaclear filter. > I have come to prefer the canister filters over all the > other kinds > since they are easier to clean and they don't get in the > way as much as > a HOB filter does (with lights, hoods, space, etc). > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > No, > > > > Sorry if I confused. The Rena is the canister type , > sitting on the > > floor and not hanging over the back of the tank at: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602> > > > > The filter in use here is a new Aqua Clear 50 from: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610> > > > > That being said, I trust we are back on the same page > again? > > If you dropped in on some of my other postings you > will see what I > > mean. My conclusions at this point are simple. For any > tank 30 gallon > > and above I would use either the Rena or go with two > (2) Aqua Clearโ€�s. > > You just donโ€�t not have the filtering capacity > for the demands of a > > large tank. I can see, as I suspected, from my own > testing that this > > is fact not fiction. If it is not moving water > sufficiently with > > regards to temperature, how can it possibly be > filtering well. From > > these conclusions you would then ask yourself why > would you use two of > > them? Would it not be easier to just buy the Rena in > the first place. > > > > Again, I must restate, these are my own humble > conclusions from my own > > testing. I am from the old school and still believe > that any filter > > that is used should first provide, mechanical > filtration of the water, > > next to allow for biological filtration to take place > at some point in > > its cycle time and third to provide by all these > means, some clarity > > to the water it self. If it does not, the filter is > not doing its job > > properly. > > > > Now for some more old school thinking. Just how much > are you getting > > for your dollar? This is obviously where the Aqua > Clear wins out. But > > again, itโ€�s the old story of getting what you > pay for. For smaller > > tanks the Aqua Clear is fine but for larger, above > 30-gallon tanks, I > > stand by my original statement. In my case I would > have the choice of > > running the filter on the left or right hand side of > the tank. Because > > of the hood configuration, I could not run it directly > in the center. > > OR I could simply purchase another filter for the > opposing side of the > > tank. In that manner, I could then sit back and stare > at the tank and > > wonder why I did not just buy a Rena in the first > place. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:22 AM > > > Bill, > > > > > > I want to clarify.  The Rena filter I was > referring to > > > was the HOB filter > > > that the OP had linked.  The Rena Filstar > canister > > > filters are perfectly OK, > > > have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and > clean > > > without never having > > > to be replaced... and I have and use two of > them.... but > > > recently Rena came > > > out with their "Smart" lineup, including the > smart HOB > > > filter and smart > > > heater which I believe you checked out or > possibly even > > > own.  The Rena > > > "Smart" HOB is only smart if you consider that > Rena was > > > pretty smart in > > > designing a sealed square filter cartridge that > could not > > > be > > > maintained/cleaned by the consumer and has to be > > > replaced... so they were > > > smart in getting at more of the consumers > money... pretty > > > smart in the > > > current economic situation some are seeing... but > not smart > > > for these > > > consumers. > > > > > > Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of > the > > > tank?  I've found that > > > ALL filter systems will result in slow zones > depending on > > > how they are set > > > up.  HOB's are more prone to this since you > do not > > > have the options of > > > placing the intake and output lines like what is > available > > > with a canister > > > filter system.  Sometimes, having these > areas of high > > > filtration and low > > > filtration are good in a community tank where > some fish > > > might hang out in > > > the faster areas and others might prefer the more > sedentary > > > areas... just > > > like in a natural river/stream.  I don't > think you'll > > > really have cold zones > > > of anything to worry about since the water is > still > > > circulating a little bit > > > even in the more sedentary areas and that water > is in > > > direct contact with > > > the rest of the tank so it will assume the same > > > temperature.  I guess if > > > your room temp was extremely cold, this might > make a > > > difference but I don't > > > think it will. > > > > > > So... do your fish now think they live in the Red > Sea? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed > > > on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Len, > > > > > > No pad in the box.  Since you already know > that I am > > > new to this filter, I > > > wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am > not happy > > > with its > > > circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium > water that it > > > is in.  I > > > assembled the filter as directed with the carbon > pack in > > > place as per > > > directions from the manufacture. > > > > > > Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical > make up > > > and the length of > > > in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not > circulating 100% > > > of the aquariumโ€�s > > > water in the standard 29-gallon tank.  To > that end, I > > > use some harmless red > > > food dye to study its circulation of the > water.  While > > > it did fine on the > > > left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, > it did > > > little it the right > > > hand side of the tank where there is no piping, > at least > > > not yet..  Looking > > > at this result and fearing the worst, a possible > โ€�cold > > > spotโ€� in the tanks > > > temperature, I remedied the situation by using > one of those > > > larger > > > air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation > of water as > > > to temperature > > > but as to actual filtering to move the water over > to the > > > inlet pipe, the > > > juryโ€�s still out on that one. > > > > > > To be fair and give the filter itโ€�s due, > it has only been > > > up and running for > > > 12 days and I would have thought that it should > have > > > cleared a cloudy tank > > > by now especially with the carbon pack, it has > not. > > > This tank was clear and > > > well-established BEFORE I added the filter to > replace one > > > that was already > > > there and was moved to another tank.  I took > more than > > > the usual precautions > > > of transferring media to insure a good colony of > bacteria > > > but it has not > > > happened yet.  To date, I must say that I > am > > > disappointed with its > > > performance.  All water parameters are fine > and fish > > > are doing ok but they > > > keep asking me about the cloudy water!  Rams > are very > > > intelligent fish! > > > > > > On your remarks about the Rena filter?  > True, > > > replacement of media at some > > > point, is a must but when you consider the sheer > size of > > > the media doing the > > > filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the > expense is > > > well worth the > > > results. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > > > > I haven't checked the links yet but > > > > in my recent price shopping, > > > > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically > compared > > > to places like > > > > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, <http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com,> > > http://www.ThatFishPlace.com <http://www.ThatFishPlace.com> and others. > > > > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty > competitive > > > online prices but in > > > > the past six months, they've made their > online prices > > > around the same > > > > as their store prices where they use to be > 20-50% less > > > online. > > > > > > > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power > filters. > > > I would > > > > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a > more cost > > > effective and > > > > reliable filter system.  Stay away from > the Rena > > > since it requires you > > > > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be > cleaned so > > > you are stuck > > > > with replacing them.  The AquaClear > filters use > > > filter media that can > > > > be cleaned and reused over and over and over > so you > > > never have to buy > > > > any filter cartridges.  About the only > thing I add to > > > the AquaClear is > > > > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon > packet.  I > > > save the carbon > > > > for when/if I need it to remove a medication > or > > > contamination. > > > > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in > most tanks > > > on an ongoing > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also > and has a > > > complaint. > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of > the > > > carbon?  I also > > > > recall you saying you had a white cloud > which is > > > usually related to a > > > > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that > isn't > > > fully cycled.  Isn't > > > > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > > > >  I am probably going to have to get a > new filter > > > for my 30 > > > > gal tank as the > > > > filter isnt working like it should. The > water isnt > > > flowing > > > > out like I have > > > > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > > > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162> > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1> > > > > > > > > all these look good and are with in my price > range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ยทยดยฏ`ยท..ยธยธ.><((((ยบ>.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ><((((ยบ> > > > ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..><((((ยบ> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <ยบ((((><.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ<ยบ((((><ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. > > > , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..<ยบ((((><ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ทดฏ`ท.ธธ.><((((บ>..ทดฏ`ท.ธธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ><((((บ> > ธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ. , > .ทดฏ`ท..><((((บ> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <บ((((><.ทดฏ`ท.ธธ..ทดฏ`ท.ธ<บ((((><ธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ. > , .ทดฏ`ท..<บ((((><ทดฏ`ท.ธธ. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38381	From: twoneill3	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip

Lenny, Thanks looks like I might have to buy a replacement light rather than fix the old one. Tom --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You might want to try eBay.. or Perfecto. I forget who owns them now but > even they likely will not have the replacement parts from that long ago. > This Wikipedia, found with a Google of "who owns perfecto aquarium" might > give you an answer.... but I still think you're best bet will be eBay. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_Brands > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of twoneill3 > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip > > Help, I have an olded ~ 20yr 24" perfecto flourescent light strip that has > the trigger (push and hold 5 second) on/off switch. This is the setup > without a starter. Can anyone tell me where I can get a replacement switch? > The original switch gets stuck and no longer works. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38382	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

Bill, You can't just say Rena and mean a canister any longer. Rena is also making an HOB now. Rena Filstar is the canister. Rena Smartfilter is the HOB. Yes, the larger the tank, the more filtration or filters you need. For redundancy purposes, I'd probably go with two AC's, which would only cost around $50.00 instead of a canister which would cost a hundred or more. With two filters, you can alternate maintenance from week to week so you always maintain a fully cycled filter... which is most important on a heavily stocked tank or an unplanted tank. A planted tank with light to medium bioload will not need the biological filtration as much. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters No, Sorry if I confused. The Rena is the canister type , sitting on the floor and not hanging over the back of the tank at: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 The filter in use here is a new Aqua Clear 50 from: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 That being said, I trust we are back on the same page again? If you dropped in on some of my other postings you will see what I mean. My conclusions at this point are simple. For any tank 30 gallon and above I would use either the Rena or go with two (2) Aqua Clear’s. You just don’t not have the filtering capacity for the demands of a large tank. I can see, as I suspected, from my own testing that this is fact not fiction. If it is not moving water sufficiently with regards to temperature, how can it possibly be filtering well. From these conclusions you would then ask yourself why would you use two of them? Would it not be easier to just buy the Rena in the first place. Again, I must restate, these are my own humble conclusions from my own testing. I am from the old school and still believe that any filter that is used should first provide, mechanical filtration of the water, next to allow for biological filtration to take place at some point in its cycle time and third to provide by all these means, some clarity to the water it self. If it does not, the filter is not doing its job properly. Now for some more old school thinking. Just how much are you getting for your dollar? This is obviously where the Aqua Clear wins out. But again, it’s the old story of getting what you pay for. For smaller tanks the Aqua Clear is fine but for larger, above 30-gallon tanks, I stand by my original statement. In my case I would have the choice of running the filter on the left or right hand side of the tank. Because of the hood configuration, I could not run it directly in the center. OR I could simply purchase another filter for the opposing side of the tank. In that manner, I could then sit back and stare at the tank and wonder why I did not just buy a Rena in the first place. Bill --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:22 AM > Bill, > > I want to clarify.  The Rena filter I was referring to was the HOB > filter that the OP had linked.  The Rena Filstar canister filters are > perfectly OK, have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and clean > without never having to be replaced... and I have and use two of > them.... but recently Rena came out with their "Smart" lineup, > including the smart HOB filter and smart heater which I believe you > checked out or possibly even own.  The Rena "Smart" HOB is only smart > if you consider that Rena was pretty smart in designing a sealed > square filter cartridge that could not be maintained/cleaned by the > consumer and has to be replaced... so they were smart in getting at > more of the consumers money... pretty smart in the current economic > situation some are seeing... but not smart for these consumers. > > Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of the tank?  I've found > that ALL filter systems will result in slow zones depending on how > they are set up.  HOB's are more prone to this since you do not have > the options of placing the intake and output lines like what is > available with a canister filter system.  Sometimes, having these > areas of high filtration and low filtration are good in a community > tank where some fish might hang out in the faster areas and others > might prefer the more sedentary areas... just like in a natural > river/stream.  I don't think you'll really have cold zones of anything > to worry about since the water is still circulating a little bit even > in the more sedentary areas and that water is in direct contact with > the rest of the tank so it will assume the same temperature.  I guess > if your room temp was extremely cold, this might make a difference but > I don't think it will. > > So... do your fish now think they live in the Red Sea? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > Hi Len, > > No pad in the box.  Since you already know that I am > new to this filter, I > wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am not happy > with its > circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium water that it > is in.  I > assembled the filter as directed with the carbon pack in > place as per > directions from the manufacture. > > Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical make up > and the length of > in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not circulating 100% > of the aquarium’s > water in the standard 29-gallon tank.  To that end, I > use some harmless red > food dye to study its circulation of the water.  While > it did fine on the > left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, it did > little it the right > hand side of the tank where there is no piping, at least > not yet..  Looking > at this result and fearing the worst, a possible “cold > spot” in the tanks > temperature, I remedied the situation by using one of those > larger > air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation of water as > to temperature > but as to actual filtering to move the water over to the > inlet pipe, the > jury’s still out on that one. > > To be fair and give the filter it’s due, it has only been > up and running for > 12 days and I would have thought that it should have > cleared a cloudy tank > by now especially with the carbon pack, it has not.  > This tank was clear and > well-established BEFORE I added the filter to replace one > that was already > there and was moved to another tank.  I took more than > the usual precautions > of transferring media to insure a good colony of bacteria > but it has not > happened yet.  To date, I must say that I am > disappointed with its > performance.  All water parameters are fine and fish > are doing ok but they > keep asking me about the cloudy water!  Rams are very > intelligent fish! > > On your remarks about the Rena filter?  True, > replacement of media at some > point, is a must but when you consider the sheer size of > the media doing the > filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the expense is > well worth the > results. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > > I haven't checked the links yet but > > in my recent price shopping, > > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically compared > to places like > > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com and others. > > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty competitive > online prices but in > > the past six months, they've made their online prices > around the same > > as their store prices where they use to be 20-50% less > online. > > > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power filters. > I would > > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a more cost > effective and > > reliable filter system.  Stay away from the Rena > since it requires you > > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be cleaned so > you are stuck > > with replacing them.  The AquaClear filters use > filter media that can > > be cleaned and reused over and over and over so you > never have to buy > > any filter cartridges.  About the only thing I add to > the AquaClear is > > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon packet.  I > save the carbon > > for when/if I need it to remove a medication or > contamination.  > > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in most tanks > on an ongoing > > basis. > > > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also and has a > complaint. > > > > Bill, > > > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of the > carbon?  I also > > recall you saying you had a white cloud which is > usually related to a > > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that isn't > fully cycled.  Isn't > > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > >  I am probably going to have to get a new filter > for my 30 > > gal tank as the > > filter isnt working like it should. The water isnt > flowing > > out like I have > > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > > > > all these look good and are with in my price range. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38383	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Will this chip be a problem???

I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38384	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: about filters

I must admit that even "back in the day" over 10 years ago when I got into the hobby the first time, I still used HOB's and a canister filter for my big tank, I looked at the under gravel filters but thought they looked too difficult to maintain or clean so I didn't try that method ever. I also admit that I didn't do filter cleaning's like they are now supposed to be properly done, but I also never threw away my carbon media containers in my filters, I rinsed them in tap water though. But I am lucky enough to live on an island where our tap water is from natural and man made lakes so there is very little "extra stuff" added to our water (yet), so tap water may not have been as terrible as it could have been. I'm going to try to get my 55 gallon set back up again this week and separate the bigger fry in my 10 gallon out, and put them in the 55 gallon for now until I move some fish out of the big tank when the fry are just a little bigger. I don't want them to get picked on, granted they're smaller and faster than the bigger fish are but I'd rather not end up with any missing in the big tank ;) They're still nearly bite sized for my Severum, LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Amber, > > You probably came to the same, or near same conclusions that I did. > Years ago we used raw power. The filters in use then would easily turn a > 55-gallon tank 9 times in an hour! Our big mistake back then was removing > the filter media and cleaning the devil out of it and in most cases > re-cycling it all over again each time we did. > > But in defense of own ignorance, back then we all used the infamous > “under gravel filter”. Power heads not with standing, they were great. > After the initial cycling of 4 to 6 weeks, unless you over-fed the > tank hard, you had crystal clear water with no dead spots anywhere. > You had to be careful with the power heads back then. Some folks went > crazy and used to many units per tank and they soon had gravel > compacted so hard by the pull, that it was like concrete! There is > such a thing as “too much of a good thing” But that aside, they worked > great. > > They DO NOT negate the practice of regular PWC’s or cleaning and > vacuuming the gravel and at the usual intervals. This is what proved > to be their down fall. > > Many, many people thought of them as true filters, they were not. > They were water movers to provide an excellent house for those good > nitrifying bacteria. If used in the proper manner they made tank > teardowns a thing that occurred once every five years at best, and > even then really at the discretion of the owner rather than from need > of the aquarium. I know I did it. > > Ah, the good ol’ days, > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about filters > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 12:17 PM > > I have both an aquaclear and now 2 > > rena filstar canister filters. I > > would say that both are easy to clean, although I just set > > up the rena's > > last week so I have yet to do my first maintenance I can > > see that they > > will already be fairly easy to clean. > > I have my aquaclear on a tank with other filters so I don't > > have to > > worry about dead spots and such, but I can say that it > > doesn't circulate > > the water as well as a canister filter does, but for the > > price it's a > > decent replacement for a canister filter. I plan on using > > one canister > > filter and the aquaclear on my 55 gallon for my hillstream > > loaches so > > that they will be plenty of water circulation and it > > shouldn't over do > > it as it might with 2 canister filters running on it. > > I recommend putting the HOB filters toward the middle of > > the tank as > > Lenny suggested, as that's probably the most efficient > > circulation in a > > tank, but I also agree that it might work better if you use > > 2 lower > > powered HOB filters (AC), one on each side of the tank, > > rather than 1 > > higher powered aquaclear filter. > > I have come to prefer the canister filters over all the > > other kinds > > since they are easier to clean and they don't get in the > > way as much as > > a HOB filter does (with lights, hoods, space, etc). > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, > > > > > > Sorry if I confused. The Rena is the canister type , > > sitting on the > > > floor and not hanging over the back of the tank at: > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602> > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3602>> > > > > > > The filter in use here is a new Aqua Clear 50 from: > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610> > > > > > > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610 > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3610>> > > > > > > That being said, I trust we are back on the same page > > again? > > > If you dropped in on some of my other postings you > > will see what I > > > mean. My conclusions at this point are simple. For any > > tank 30 gallon > > > and above I would use either the Rena or go with two > > (2) Aqua Clearโ€�s. > > > You just donโ€�t not have the filtering capacity > > for the demands of a > > > large tank. I can see, as I suspected, from my own > > testing that this > > > is fact not fiction. If it is not moving water > > sufficiently with > > > regards to temperature, how can it possibly be > > filtering well. From > > > these conclusions you would then ask yourself why > > would you use two of > > > them? Would it not be easier to just buy the Rena in > > the first place. > > > > > > Again, I must restate, these are my own humble > > conclusions from my own > > > testing. I am from the old school and still believe > > that any filter > > > that is used should first provide, mechanical > > filtration of the water, > > > next to allow for biological filtration to take place > > at some point in > > > its cycle time and third to provide by all these > > means, some clarity > > > to the water it self. If it does not, the filter is > > not doing its job > > > properly. > > > > > > Now for some more old school thinking. Just how much > > are you getting > > > for your dollar? This is obviously where the Aqua > > Clear wins out. But > > > again, itโ€�s the old story of getting what you > > pay for. For smaller > > > tanks the Aqua Clear is fine but for larger, above > > 30-gallon tanks, I > > > stand by my original statement. In my case I would > > have the choice of > > > running the filter on the left or right hand side of > > the tank. Because > > > of the hood configuration, I could not run it directly > > in the center. > > > OR I could simply purchase another filter for the > > opposing side of the > > > tank. In that manner, I could then sit back and stare > > at the tank and > > > wonder why I did not just buy a Rena in the first > > place. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:22 AM > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I want to clarify. The Rena filter I was > > referring to > > > > was the HOB filter > > > > that the OP had linked. The Rena Filstar > > canister > > > > filters are perfectly OK, > > > > have plenty of media and are easy to maintain and > > clean > > > > without never having > > > > to be replaced... and I have and use two of > > them.... but > > > > recently Rena came > > > > out with their "Smart" lineup, including the > > smart HOB > > > > filter and smart > > > > heater which I believe you checked out or > > possibly even > > > > own. The Rena > > > > "Smart" HOB is only smart if you consider that > > Rena was > > > > pretty smart in > > > > designing a sealed square filter cartridge that > > could not > > > > be > > > > maintained/cleaned by the consumer and has to be > > > > replaced... so they were > > > > smart in getting at more of the consumers > > money... pretty > > > > smart in the > > > > current economic situation some are seeing... but > > not smart > > > > for these > > > > consumers. > > > > > > > > Have you tried moving the HOB to the middle of > > the > > > > tank? I've found that > > > > ALL filter systems will result in slow zones > > depending on > > > > how they are set > > > > up. HOB's are more prone to this since you > > do not > > > > have the options of > > > > placing the intake and output lines like what is > > available > > > > with a canister > > > > filter system. Sometimes, having these > > areas of high > > > > filtration and low > > > > filtration are good in a community tank where > > some fish > > > > might hang out in > > > > the faster areas and others might prefer the more > > sedentary > > > > areas... just > > > > like in a natural river/stream. I don't > > think you'll > > > > really have cold zones > > > > of anything to worry about since the water is > > still > > > > circulating a little bit > > > > even in the more sedentary areas and that water > > is in > > > > direct contact with > > > > the rest of the tank so it will assume the same > > > > temperature. I guess if > > > > your room temp was extremely cold, this might > > make a > > > > difference but I don't > > > > think it will. > > > > > > > > So... do your fish now think they live in the Red > > Sea? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > > are listed > > > > on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Len, > > > > > > > > No pad in the box. Since you already know > > that I am > > > > new to this filter, I > > > > wanted to give it a fair chance and so far I am > > not happy > > > > with its > > > > circulation of the ENTIRE amount of aquarium > > water that it > > > > is in. I > > > > assembled the filter as directed with the carbon > > pack in > > > > place as per > > > > directions from the manufacture. > > > > > > > > Suspecting the worst, by looking at its physical > > make up > > > > and the length of > > > > in take fed pipe, I felt that it was not > > circulating 100% > > > > of the aquariumโ€�s > > > > water in the standard 29-gallon tank. To > > that end, I > > > > use some harmless red > > > > food dye to study its circulation of the > > water. While > > > > it did fine on the > > > > left-hand side of the tank where it is mounted, > > it did > > > > little it the right > > > > hand side of the tank where there is no piping, > > at least > > > > not yet.. Looking > > > > at this result and fearing the worst, a possible > > โ€�cold > > > > spotโ€� in the tanks > > > > temperature, I remedied the situation by using > > one of those > > > > larger > > > > air-bubble stones, this gave me the circulation > > of water as > > > > to temperature > > > > but as to actual filtering to move the water over > > to the > > > > inlet pipe, the > > > > juryโ€�s still out on that one. > > > > > > > > To be fair and give the filter itโ€�s due, > > it has only been > > > > up and running for > > > > 12 days and I would have thought that it should > > have > > > > cleared a cloudy tank > > > > by now especially with the carbon pack, it has > > not. > > > > This tank was clear and > > > > well-established BEFORE I added the filter to > > replace one > > > > that was already > > > > there and was moved to another tank. I took > > more than > > > > the usual precautions > > > > of transferring media to insure a good colony of > > bacteria > > > > but it has not > > > > happened yet. To date, I must say that I > > am > > > > disappointed with its > > > > performance. All water parameters are fine > > and fish > > > > are doing ok but they > > > > keep asking me about the cloudy water! Rams > > are very > > > > intelligent fish! > > > > > > > > On your remarks about the Rena filter? > > True, > > > > replacement of media at some > > > > point, is a must but when you consider the sheer > > size of > > > > the media doing the > > > > filtering and the setup of its plumbing, the > > expense is > > > > well worth the > > > > results. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:21 PM > > > > > I haven't checked the links yet but > > > > > in my recent price shopping, > > > > > PetsMart.com prices had gone up dramatically > > compared > > > > to places like > > > > > http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, > <http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com,> <http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, > <http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com,>> > > > http://www.ThatFishPlace.com <http://www.ThatFishPlace.com> > <http://www.ThatFishPlace.com <http://www.ThatFishPlace.com>> and others. > > > > > PetsMart.com use to have some pretty > > competitive > > > > online prices but in > > > > > the past six months, they've made their > > online prices > > > > around the same > > > > > as their store prices where they use to be > > 20-50% less > > > > online. > > > > > > > > > > I see most the links go to various HOB/power > > filters. > > > > I would > > > > > seriously recommend AquaClear HOB's as a > > more cost > > > > effective and > > > > > reliable filter system. Stay away from > > the Rena > > > > since it requires you > > > > > to buy expensive cartridges that cannot be > > cleaned so > > > > you are stuck > > > > > with replacing them. The AquaClear > > filters use > > > > filter media that can > > > > > be cleaned and reused over and over and over > > so you > > > > never have to buy > > > > > any filter cartridges. About the only > > thing I add to > > > > the AquaClear is > > > > > a layer of floss pad instead of the carbon > > packet. I > > > > save the carbon > > > > > for when/if I need it to remove a medication > > or > > > > contamination. > > > > > Otherwise, carbon is not really needed in > > most tanks > > > > on an ongoing > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > I see Bill replied about the AquaClear also > > and has a > > > > complaint. > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > Did you use some filter floss pad instead of > > the > > > > carbon? I also > > > > > recall you saying you had a white cloud > > which is > > > > usually related to a > > > > > bacterial bloom in a newly set up tank that > > isn't > > > > fully cycled. Isn't > > > > > this the cause of your cloudy water? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> (Links > > to > > > > any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] about filters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am probably going to have to get a > > new filter > > > > for my 30 > > > > > gal tank as the > > > > > filter isnt working like it should. The > > water isnt > > > > flowing > > > > > out like I have > > > > > seen my 10 gallons filter does.? > > > > > What are your thoughts on these filters? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162> > > > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753162>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028> > > > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753028>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1> > > > > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752393#prodTab1>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1> > > > > > > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752295#prodTab1>> > > > > > > > > > > all these look good and are with in my price > > range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > > when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > ยทยดยฏ`ยท..ยธยธ.><((((ยบ>.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ><((((ยบ> > > > > ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. , > > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..><((((ยบ> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > <ยบ((((><.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ<ยบ((((><ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. > > > > , > > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..<ยบ((((><ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter.Yahoo! > > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ทดฏ`ท.ธธ.><((((บ>..ทดฏ`ท.ธธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ><((((บ> > > ธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ. , > > .ทดฏ`ท..><((((บ> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <บ((((><.ทดฏ`ท.ธธ..ทดฏ`ท.ธ<บ((((><ธ.ทดฏ`ท.ธ. > > , .ทดฏ`ท..<บ((((><ทดฏ`ท.ธธ. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38385	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

I would probably fix a chip just because it's a weak spot in the tank. How big of a tank is it? Amber Menagerie_Manager wrote: > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was > preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if > it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I > hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon > as they're approved: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list> > OR > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38386	From: RPI	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

I run a UV sterilizer. I have no algae. It cuts the free swimming stages of Ich into zero. If you run one on salt tanks, run it 24/7 so nutrifying bacteria can grow enough to compensate for depletion. I feed phyto every other day and the UV sterilizer doesn't hamper growth rates. I thought it would, when I first got it. In January, the 13th, I got a Valentine's Day Massacre Paly ($50 paly), one polyp and today, there are 8 polyps, so it's not hampering growth at all and the one added benefit I can't turn my back on is that I used to have issues with ich off and on, and I have never had a speck of it since introducing the UV sterilizer over a year ago. I do recommend them, personally. I wish we had deals like that in our city. I think that aquarium and things included is an incredible deal. The tank alone is worth $200. The fuge alone is worth more than the total cost of everything....mine cost $350. The rest comes to way more than $200...he's probably got a thousand in it. Did he tell you what kind of lighting comes with it? The Hippo Tangs start at $49 in our city and those aren't even 2 inches long...rock, lighting, fish, coral food, water test equipment (there's another $50), everything comes to so much money to start up from zero. I'd grab that aquarium setup and run if it were me in fact, I need a 75! Lol. I don't think I would pass on that deal. He's probably got over a thousand dollars worth of things there if you include rock and fish (in our city rock is anywhere from $5 per pound to $9 per pound for live rock). Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:41 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? ... I'm not sure a UV light is necessary. I don't think they are necessary in FW tanks and with live coral, etc., it would seem that you would want live microbial life in the water column for the purpose of feeding the coral. . ... -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? ==== I will take some pictures tomorrow and email them. I am including everything! The main 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon refugium ( biological filter), stand, lighting, rock, fish (2 clown fish, 1 hippo tang, and 1 cardinal), fish and coral food, water testing equipment, and a few books on different fish, there is more to this list I just named some of the bigger parts. The only items you might need to buy would be a UV light ($100 ish @ VIPets you might find one online cheaper) and some cleaner crabs ( $9 @ at VIPets) and snails ($3.25 @ at VIPets) to help keep any algae issues to a minimum. I think there are probably a few more things I might be forgetting. ==== Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38387	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

It's a 20G. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> >I would probably fix a chip just because it's a weak spot in the tank. > How big of a tank is it? > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was >> preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if >> it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I >> hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon >> as they're approved: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list> >> OR >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38388	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38389	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Does anyone have a link to a good set of instructions for repairing the chip? I know we had a recent discussion on it, but I can't seem to find the info for anything but big cracks and articles that focus on stopping a leak, which I don't have at the moment. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? >I would probably fix a chip just because it's a weak spot in the tank. > How big of a tank is it? > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was >> preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if >> it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I >> hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon >> as they're approved: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list> >> OR >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38390	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

I've never seen an article with instructions like I just advised. It's just a DIY repair suggestion that I would do. Another option I though about, would be to get some black corner edging, cut it to size to fit between the top and bottom of the tank braces and put a bead of aquarium safe silicone on each side of the corner edging/bracing and stick it in place. You could do both back corners so they look like they are part of the design. My 65G acrylic tank which as rounded front corners, has the black upright corner edging on both back corners where the acrylic is glued. Here's a picture of my tank showing the bracing on the back corners to show you what I am talking about. Using 2-part clear epoxy, instead of silicone, would provide even a much sturdier repair. http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1399542664070613611DdNYxs Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Does anyone have a link to a good set of instructions for repairing the chip? I know we had a recent discussion on it, but I can't seem to find the info for anything but big cracks and articles that focus on stopping a leak, which I don't have at the moment. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? >I would probably fix a chip just because it's a weak spot in the tank. > How big of a tank is it? > > Amber > > Menagerie_Manager wrote: >> >> I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was >> preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if >> it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I >> hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon >> as they're approved: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list> >> OR >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38391	From: pam andress	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38392	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Yeah, it'll just make the body shop guys' day to have a 5'1" 250lb middle-aged woman bat her eyes at them. I suppose I could grab it and run while they're doubled over laughing. I usually have more success with the don't-I-remind-you-of-your-mom approach. Thanks for the info and the mind picture, Lenny! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38393	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

UV is a much debated topic everywhere. Some swear by it and some consider it waste of money. Frankly, I have not had any problem in my tank yet (touchwood) that I could advocate its benefits but I also think that it may not do any harm in running it either. It would certainly kill any phyto or beneficial bacteria going through it but then again for this to happen you would need a matching pump for the rated UV bulb as a higher rated pump would allow things to escape and a lower rated pump will slow down the overall effectiveness in terms of total turnover. During disease outbreaks, yes it can be very helpful but I have known people to have no effect with it as well. If I was getting it in the deal then I would use it, if not.. I would not bother. Thats just me Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RPI Sent: 23 March 2009 16:51 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? I run a UV sterilizer. I have no algae. It cuts the free swimming stages of Ich into zero. If you run one on salt tanks, run it 24/7 so nutrifying bacteria can grow enough to compensate for depletion. I feed phyto every other day and the UV sterilizer doesn't hamper growth rates. I thought it would, when I first got it. In January, the 13th, I got a Valentine's Day Massacre Paly ($50 paly), one polyp and today, there are 8 polyps, so it's not hampering growth at all and the one added benefit I can't turn my back on is that I used to have issues with ich off and on, and I have never had a speck of it since introducing the UV sterilizer over a year ago. I do recommend them, personally. I wish we had deals like that in our city. I think that aquarium and things included is an incredible deal. The tank alone is worth $200. The fuge alone is worth more than the total cost of everything....mine cost $350. The rest comes to way more than $200...he's probably got a thousand in it. Did he tell you what kind of lighting comes with it? The Hippo Tangs start at $49 in our city and those aren't even 2 inches long...rock, lighting, fish, coral food, water test equipment (there's another $50), everything comes to so much money to start up from zero. I'd grab that aquarium setup and run if it were me in fact, I need a 75! Lol. I don't think I would pass on that deal. He's probably got over a thousand dollars worth of things there if you include rock and fish (in our city rock is anywhere from $5 per pound to $9 per pound for live rock). Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:41 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? .... I'm not sure a UV light is necessary. I don't think they are necessary in FW tanks and with live coral, etc., it would seem that you would want live microbial life in the water column for the purpose of feeding the coral. .. .... -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? ==== I will take some pictures tomorrow and email them. I am including everything! The main 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon refugium ( biological filter), stand, lighting, rock, fish (2 clown fish, 1 hippo tang, and 1 cardinal), fish and coral food, water testing equipment, and a few books on different fish, there is more to this list I just named some of the bigger parts. The only items you might need to buy would be a UV light ($100 ish @ VIPets you might find one online cheaper) and some cleaner crabs ( $9 @ at VIPets) and snails ($3.25 @ at VIPets) to help keep any algae issues to a minimum. I think there are probably a few more things I might be forgetting. ==== Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3936 (20090313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38394	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Great Lakes Aquariums

I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38395	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

It always works for me! :-D Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:51 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38396	From: gail	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: heaters for large tanks

Good day all!   I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they prefer warmer waters.   Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium heaters? (below $50)   thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38397	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums

Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only $25.00. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38398	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: cichlid food

Can anyone here who has cichlids and uses ebay to purchase their food point me in the right direction to a product and seller, I see so many kinds its a minefield. No problem if your not in the UK I am sure I can find its equal here. I just don't want to buy a cheap nasty food that is no use or would harm my fish. Thanks Garry ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38399	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip

Perfecto light strips? You mean the Petsmart or Petco variety? Do you need a replacement ballast? I bought a couple the last time I dropped my light strip in the tank and burned mine out. They are hard to find. I can try to pin down where I bought it from. They are very easy to change out.` Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoneill3" <twoneill@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip Lenny, Thanks looks like I might have to buy a replacement light rather than fix the old one. Tom --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You might want to try eBay.. or Perfecto. I forget who owns them now but > even they likely will not have the replacement parts from that long ago. > This Wikipedia, found with a Google of "who owns perfecto aquarium" might > give you an answer.... but I still think you're best bet will be eBay. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_Brands > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of twoneill3 > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip > > Help, I have an olded ~ 20yr 24" perfecto flourescent light strip that > has > the trigger (push and hold 5 second) on/off switch. This is the setup > without a starter. Can anyone tell me where I can get a replacement > switch? > The original switch gets stuck and no longer works. > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38400	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Looks like this chip is on the outside edge. While it appears deep, since it is round it shouldn't spread a crack, but it could compromise the strength of this portion when (if) the glass is subjected to linear stress at this point -- which might only be applied in a horizontal direction if allowed to bow. You might fill this in flush with a product windshield repairmen use, then apply a 2" x 4" (or even 5") section of 1/4" plate glass over it with cyanacryllic or epoxy cement (not silicone as it will stretch). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list > OR > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38401	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums

Lenny, Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable tank > sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes place, then > you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery program > where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank when coming > to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G acrylic > tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only $25.00. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on upgrading > the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge and put > all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear in > background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

ALL tropical fish should be kept at tropical temps... high 70's to low 80's. See the profiles on http://fish.mongabay.com for more details on each of your fish. Your budget of below $50.00 should not be a major issue. Here is DFS' page of heaters. You'll want at least 150W and up to 250W of heater. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/pet_supplies.cfm?c=3578+3743&s=lh It's too bad you didn't see one of my posts a couple of months ago when DrsFosterSmith had some 100W RenaCal heaters on clearance for 1/2 price... about $10.00 each. Two of those would have been perfect for you. I just peeked at their clearance pages and they do not have them listed there any longer. RenaCal had discontinued them in favor of their new "Smart Heaters" which slip over the intake of either and HOB or canister filter so that there is one less thing sticking down into the tank... a nice idea but the smart heaters aren't cheap... but one of the 150W to 300W ones is only $34.99 to $39.99 so within your budget. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3743+18444&pca tid=18444 These are around $16.00 for each 100W heater. I recommend going with two 1/2 strength heaters over one full strength heater so you have redundancy in the event of a heater failure and also, if one ever fails in the stuck-on position, it can't cook your fish. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3743+11368&pca tid=11368 Of course, for BIG cichlids, getting a titanium/stainless steel heater or an external or inline heater that works with your canister filter, if you have one, will also be better as big cichlids have been known to break a glass heater during some of the remodeling efforts, but the Rena Smart Heater is made of plastic and is advertised to be unbreakable so consider that if you can't find a much better deal on a titanium/stainless heater. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks Good day all!   I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they prefer warmer waters.   Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium heaters? (below $50)   thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38403	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums

I didn't know reptiles were so much more popular than fish. Of my circle of friends/acquaintances, fish are far more popular. I only know one guy with a big Iguana where quite a few have fish of some degree... some only having a Betta. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums Lenny, Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a tank. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable > tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes > place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a > delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can > deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will also > ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only $25.00. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on > upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water > bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that > Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38404	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Saltwater Difficulty Level?

I run a UV filter on my 125 gallon tank, only because it came with the tank, I didn't purchase it separately. I have freshwater so not sure how it goes for saltwater but the tank was originally a saltwater setup and I got everything with it. I haven't noticed any difference in the tank, but I had everything cycled before I hooked the UV filter up and started running it, I wasn't sure how it would affect the bacteria on a newly set up tank. Amber Nimish Mathur wrote: > > UV is a much debated topic everywhere. Some swear by it and some > consider it > waste of money. Frankly, I have not had any problem in my tank yet > (touchwood) that I could advocate its benefits but I also think that > it may > not do any harm in running it either. It would certainly kill any phyto or > beneficial bacteria going through it but then again for this to happen you > would need a matching pump for the rated UV bulb as a higher rated pump > would allow things to escape and a lower rated pump will slow down the > overall effectiveness in terms of total turnover. > > During disease outbreaks, yes it can be very helpful but I have known > people > to have no effect with it as well. If I was getting it in the deal then I > would use it, if not.. I would not bother. Thats just me > > Nim > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of RPI > Sent: 23 March 2009 16:51 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? > > I run a UV sterilizer. > > I have no algae. It cuts the free swimming stages of Ich into zero. > > If you run one on salt tanks, run it 24/7 so nutrifying bacteria can grow > enough to compensate for depletion. > > I feed phyto every other day and the UV sterilizer doesn't hamper growth > rates. I thought it would, when I first got it. > > In January, the 13th, I got a Valentine's Day Massacre Paly ($50 > paly), one > polyp and today, there are 8 polyps, so it's not hampering growth at > all and > > the one added benefit I can't turn my back on is that I used to have > issues > with ich off and on, and I have never had a speck of it since introducing > the UV sterilizer over a year ago. > > I do recommend them, personally. > > I wish we had deals like that in our city. I think that aquarium and > things > included is an incredible deal. The tank alone is worth $200. The fuge > alone is worth more than the total cost of everything....mine cost $350. > The rest comes to way more than $200...he's probably got a thousand in > it. > Did he tell you what kind of lighting comes with it? The Hippo Tangs > start > at $49 in our city and those aren't even 2 inches long...rock, lighting, > fish, coral food, water test equipment (there's another $50), everything > comes to so much money to start up from zero. I'd grab that aquarium > setup > and run if it were me in fact, I need a 75! Lol. I don't think I would > pass on that deal. He's probably got over a thousand dollars worth of > things there if you include rock and fish (in our city rock is > anywhere from > > $5 per pound to $9 per pound for live rock). > > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:41 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? > > .... > I'm not sure a UV light is necessary. I don't think they are necessary in > FW tanks and with live coral, etc., it would seem that you would want live > microbial life in the water column for the purpose of feeding the > coral. .. > > .... > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > Behalf Of J. Ford > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Saltwater Difficulty Level? > > ==== > I will take some pictures tomorrow and email them. I am including > everything! The main 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon refugium ( biological > filter), stand, lighting, rock, fish (2 clown fish, 1 hippo tang, and 1 > cardinal), fish and coral food, water testing equipment, and a few > books on > different fish, there is more to this list I just named some of the bigger > parts. The only items you might need to buy would be a UV light ($100 > ish @ > VIPets you might find one online cheaper) and some cleaner crabs ( $9 @ at > VIPets) and snails ($3.25 @ at VIPets) to help keep any algae issues to a > minimum. I think there are probably a few more things I might be > forgetting. > ==== > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 3936 (20090313) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38405	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: cichlid food

One brand that I strongly suggest right now is Omega One by http://www.omegasea.net/. They have some of the best ingredients being offered in affordably priced fish foods. You also need to know what kinds of food your particular cichlid needs. Some are herbivores, some carnivores and some omnivores. Check out the profiles on http://fish.mongabay.com or http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/ to see what the preferred diet is for your cichlid. Then check the ingredients on the Omega One products and other comparable products to see which ones you like for your fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cichlid food Can anyone here who has cichlids and uses ebay to purchase their food point me in the right direction to a product and seller, I see so many kinds its a minefield. No problem if your not in the UK I am sure I can find its equal here. I just don't want to buy a cheap nasty food that is no use or would harm my fish. Thanks Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38406	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

So you bat your eyelashes at all the guys huh Lenny? ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It always works for me! :-D > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:51 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, > they will > be nicer to her?? ;) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch > it with > > some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of > > fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with > > the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better > to be > > safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. > > You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with > > the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a > 1" x > > 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the > > epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the > > bodyshop guy. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was > > preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it > > needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the > > pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're > > approved: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list> > > OR > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38407	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as they are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. My 5 month old Gold Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not including his tail fin), and at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. You will also find that they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may be okay for him/her for a few months, but if you have other fish in the tank too it's going to be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only fish in the tank or are there others? I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith.com or www.thatpetplace.com, the 2nd website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges than drsfostersmith. Amber gail wrote: > > Good day all! > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they > prefer warmer waters. > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium > heaters? (below $50) > > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38408	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Wouldn't work round here, the guys seem to wear wellinton boots, a large smile and be more interested in the sheep. ----- Original Message ----- From: pam andress To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38409	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

More like these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Wouldn't work round here, the guys seem to wear wellinton boots, a large smile and be more interested in the sheep. ----- Original Message ----- From: pam andress Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

LOL... well, down here in N'Awlins' French Quarter, where they have night clubs and restaurants where "Boys will be girls" and on Mardi Gras Day, when "King's will be Queen's" you just never know... but I meant it works for me in my business with my lady customers when they bat their eyes at me to get Lenny's special-of-the-day prices! ;-) Fish! Gotta keep it on topic! lol Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? So you bat your eyelashes at all the guys huh Lenny? ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It always works for me! :-D > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:51 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, > they will be nicer to her?? ;) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it > with > > some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch > of > > fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner > with > > the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better > to be > > safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. > > You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as > with > > the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a > 1" x > > 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with > the > > epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at > the > > bodyshop guy. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was > > preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if > it > > needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope > the > > pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as > they're > > approved: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/l > ist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/ > list> > > OR > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a <http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38411	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Yes Amber, I was talking too much about the heater and not enough about the fish. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Heros_severus.html http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2448 You'll see from the above two reputable profiles that a Severum should grow to 12" and a 12" fish should have at least a 6' long tank and preferably an 8' long tank... just to give them swimming room. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as they are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. My 5 month old Gold Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not including his tail fin), and at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. You will also find that they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may be okay for him/her for a few months, but if you have other fish in the tank too it's going to be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only fish in the tank or are there others? I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith.com or www.thatpetplace.com, the 2nd website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges than drsfostersmith. Amber gail wrote: > > Good day all! > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they > prefer warmer waters. > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium > heaters? (below $50) > > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38412	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: cichlid food

Thanks Lenny Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] cichlid food One brand that I strongly suggest right now is Omega One by http://www.omegasea.net/. They have some of the best ingredients being offered in affordably priced fish foods. You also need to know what kinds of food your particular cichlid needs. Some are herbivores, some carnivores and some omnivores. Check out the profiles on http://fish.mongabay.com or http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/ to see what the preferred diet is for your cichlid. Then check the ingredients on the Omega One products and other comparable products to see which ones you like for your fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cichlid food Can anyone here who has cichlids and uses ebay to purchase their food point me in the right direction to a product and seller, I see so many kinds its a minefield. No problem if your not in the UK I am sure I can find its equal here. I just don't want to buy a cheap nasty food that is no use or would harm my fish. Thanks Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38413	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

I think the guys Garry was talking about might say "Naa-aa-aaa-aaah". lol Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? More like these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Wouldn't work round here, the guys seem to wear wellinton boots, a large smile and be more interested in the sheep. ----- Original Message ----- From: pam andress Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the bodyshop guy. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a DebR and the Three Goldfish ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38414	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Cleaning and re-starting a tank

I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as well as be less stressful on the fish? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > How long has the tank been set up? > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate really bad > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish are less > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of their > messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place to develop the > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species as a > common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. With all of the > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there also comes > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but I > still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because consumers > keep buying them but consumers should also know about the extra care that > will be required. > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these internal > defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter system, your > maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper filter maintenance > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's (partial > water changes)? > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would suggest > spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might cost. > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test kits for > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If you had > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.... > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the reason for > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's not > necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G long is a > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... goldfish and > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult sized > goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They need high > levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank unless one is > doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. Possibly a 20G long would be > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper tank > maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized tank (48" x > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim around as > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of other > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are usually the > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores do not > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are eating/pooping > machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more with very good filtration > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. Goldfish > are also eating/pooping machines. > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this time) and > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, meaning you > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen cycle > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria product to > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died) > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The tank had > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small plec. I > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and I loved > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I did a > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she was > dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and continued > to thrive. > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the roots of a > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to diagnose > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new fish. > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I want to > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in it. But > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean the 20 > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some sites (maybe > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know that if > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. So, how > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral elements > that may remain? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38415	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]

I don't know that they are more popular, but showing seems to be more popular with the reptiles than it is currently in the fish world, and they seem to have shows all year round where fish shows are more likely to occur in the spring and fall. I remember when I could do a show pretty much every other weekend during the season, and they were of a good size with 200+ entries. Now, shows seem to be less frequent, and a good show is 100-150 entries. I do not know why showing has declined, but I do have some ideas. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > I didn't know reptiles were so much more popular than fish. Of my circle of > friends/acquaintances, fish are far more popular. I only know one guy with > a big Iguana where quite a few have fish of some degree... some only having > a Betta. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > Lenny, > > Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a tank. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable > > tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes > > place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a > > delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can > > deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will also > > ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), > shipping was only $25.00. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. > > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on > > upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water > > bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that > > Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have > new muscles, now! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38416	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Speaking of sheep, take a look at this video that shows what a bunch of bored shepherds can do with their flocks and some well trained border collies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Wouldn't work round here, the guys seem to wear wellinton boots, a large smile and be more > interested in the sheep. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pam andress > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:51 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > > > Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to her?? > ;) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: GoldLenny@... > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with > > some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of > > fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with > > the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be > > safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. > > You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with > > the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x > > 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the > > epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the > > bodyshop guy. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was > > preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it > > needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the > > pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're > > approved: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/list > > OR > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38417	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will this chip be a problem???

Ooops, I now see DebR beat me to it <g>. Now, if I could find some time and some sheep, I have a dog that could do that. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > Speaking of sheep, take a look at this video that shows what a bunch of bored shepherds can > do with their flocks and some well trained border collies. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Garry the Womble > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > > > Wouldn't work round here, the guys seem to wear wellinton boots, a large smile and be more > > interested in the sheep. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pam andress > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > > > > > > > Lenny are you trying to say that if she bats her eyes at the guys, they will be nicer to > her?? > > ;) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > From: GoldLenny@... > > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > > > Since you could make that a back corner. I would probably patch it with > > > > some 2-part clear epoxy. Fill the chip area and then use a small patch of > > > > fiberglass and wrap it over the chip and make an L around the corner with > > > > the fiberglass and 2-part epoxy. This may be overkill but it's better to be > > > > safe than sorry and the repair will only cost a couple of dollars at most. > > > > You can probably buy fiberglass cloth at a hardware store... same as with > > > > the 2-part clear epoxy or just stop by an auto body shop and ask for a 1" x > > > > 3" strip from them but they will not likely be able to help you with the > > > > epoxy so you'll still have to buy it. Don't forget to bat your eyes at the > > > > bodyshop guy. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:25 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Will this chip be a problem??? > > > > I posted three pics of a chip on my new (to me) tank that I was > > > > preparing to set up this week. I filled it and it doesn't leak, but if it > > > > needs fixing, I should do it now, before I have fish using it. I hope the > > > > pics are clear enough. They'll be in my photo folder as soon as they're > > > > approved: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/699297662/pic/lis t > > > > OR > > > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca6r5a > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38418	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank

It may very well make transition for the fish less stressful. But to cycle the tank you should get a bit of the filter media from the cycled and healthy tank and add it to the filter of the new tank. The water just won't have much effect. You could gather some substate from the good tank if you could not use some filter floss and put it in a bag in the new filter. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Shirley Reichard <shrlycat@...> wrote: > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see what you > mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought was to clean > the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the cleaned 20-gal.tank > half-way with water from the smaller platy tank plus new water,let it cycle > for a few days, then add the platies, plec, and cats from the smaller tank. > Wouldn't water from the smaller tank be sufficient to raise bacterial > levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as well as be less stressful on the fish? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: >> >> How long has the tank been set up? >> >> Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate really >> bad >> water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish are >> less >> hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of their >> messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place to develop >> the >> fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species as a >> common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. With all of >> the >> external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there also >> comes >> many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but I >> still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because consumers >> keep buying them but consumers should also know about the extra care that >> will be required. >> >> Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these internal >> defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter system, your >> maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper filter maintenance >> and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's (partial >> water changes)? >> >> Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would suggest >> spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might cost. >> Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test kits for >> under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If you had >> a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.... >> any test results that you may have as those may well explain the reason >> for >> your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's not >> necessarily a reason for a fish loss. >> >> Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G long is a >> decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... goldfish >> and >> common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult sized >> goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They need high >> levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank unless one is >> doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. Possibly a 20G long would >> be >> OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper tank >> maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized tank (48" x >> 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim around >> as >> they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by >> themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of other >> goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are usually >> the >> most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores do not >> tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are eating/pooping >> machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more with very good >> filtration >> and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. Goldfish >> are also eating/pooping machines. >> >> If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this time) and >> clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, meaning >> you >> will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen cycle >> process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria product to >> instantly cycle the newly set up tank. >> >> So much more but I'll wait for your answers. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Shirley Reichard >> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who died) >> >> What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The tank had >> a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small plec. >> I >> watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and I >> loved >> watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I did a >> water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she was >> dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and continued >> to thrive. >> >> The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the roots of >> a >> live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to diagnose >> what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new fish. >> I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I want >> to >> clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in it. >> But >> with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean the 20 >> gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some sites >> (maybe >> here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know that >> if >> any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. So, how >> best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral >> elements >> that may remain? >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38419	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]

Reptile transport would be easier... On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > I don't know that they are more popular, but showing seems to be more > popular with the reptiles than it is currently in the fish world, and > they seem to have shows all year round where fish shows are more likely > to occur in the spring and fall. I remember when I could do a show > pretty much every other weekend during the season, and they were of a > good size with 200+ entries. Now, shows seem to be less frequent, and a > good show is 100-150 entries. I do not know why showing has declined, > but I do have some ideas. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:43 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> >> I didn't know reptiles were so much more popular than fish. Of my > circle of >> friends/acquaintances, fish are far more popular. I only know one guy > with >> a big Iguana where quite a few have fish of some degree... some only > having >> a Betta. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On >> Behalf Of Steve Szabo >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> >> Lenny, >> >> Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a > tank. >> >> \\Steve// >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> > >> > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out >> > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable >> > tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes >> > place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have > a >> > delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can >> > deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will also >> > ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around 20 > pounds), >> shipping was only $25.00. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >> > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically >> > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> > >> > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this > company. >> > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. >> > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php >> > >> > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on >> > upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water >> > bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that >> > Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I > have >> new muscles, now! >> > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >> >> >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38420	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Aquariums

Unfortunately, it appears that Great Lakes Aquariums only delivers primarily in Michigan - including the Detroit area, and extending as far north as Saginaw and as far west as Battle Creek where we had to send all those cereal box tops to get those secret decoders and those atomic rings (as advertised on the popular radio shows we listened to in the '40's). There are also deliveries into northern Ohio (Toledo). Glass Cages at least delivers as far west in the Lakes area as Minneapolis, although the last delivery there for this year was this past weekend. They will be delivering to Clearwater, Minn. this coming weekend though. \\Steve//, Where did you disappear to at the NEC after you received that phone call. While you were pre-occupied, I dropped into the vendors room for a short chat with Mark Brodmeyer to allow you time to talk and when I came back you were gone. I never saw you again after that, but was hoping we could have talked more. Anyway, it was a pleasure meeting you, while we just got started catching up on things. Enjoyed our meeting, short as it was; maybe next year. Best regards, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Lenny, > > Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a tank. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable tank > > sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes place, then > > you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery program > > where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank when coming > > to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G acrylic > > tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only $25.00. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. > > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on upgrading > > the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge and put > > all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear in > > background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38421	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]

Ray, NEC notwithstanding, business is business. When I came back in, I did not see you, so I went back to my room to get some stuff done remotely, and did look for you when I came back down, but never did see you again. When Bill and I saw each other, we realized we have known each other for years, though we never did see each other much, or talk much when we did. Did you get a chance to chat up with him much? \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums > > Unfortunately, it appears that Great Lakes Aquariums only delivers primarily in Michigan - > including the Detroit area, and extending as far north as Saginaw and as far west as Battle > Creek where we had to send all those cereal box tops to get those secret decoders and those > atomic rings (as advertised on the popular radio shows we listened to in the '40's). There are > also deliveries into northern Ohio (Toledo). Glass Cages at least delivers as far west in the > Lakes area as Minneapolis, although the last delivery there for this year was this past > weekend. They will be delivering to Clearwater, Minn. this coming weekend though. > > \\Steve//, Where did you disappear to at the NEC after you received that phone call. While > you were pre-occupied, I dropped into the vendors room for a short chat with Mark > Brodmeyer to allow you time to talk and when I came back you were gone. I never saw you > again after that, but was hoping we could have talked more. Anyway, it was a pleasure > meeting you, while we just got started catching up on things. Enjoyed our meeting, short as it > was; maybe next year. > Best regards, Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Lenny, > > > > Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > > > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable tank > > > sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes place, then > > > you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery program > > > where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank when coming > > > to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G acrylic > > > tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only $25.00. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this company. > > > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > > > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > > > > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on upgrading > > > the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge and put > > > all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear in > > > background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new muscles, now! > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38422	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]

\\Steve//, Yeah, I can understand that business takes precedence over the pleasure of these conventions, even when these conventions are directed at what's central to our interests. We probably attended different speaker talks after that, and missed each other even though I looked for you also. I had also spent some time at Tom Tilles' table to get some magazine back issues I was missing, which accounts for further missed opportunities of not running into you again -- unless you had need to visit the vendors room further. Hopefully we'll have more time to chat next time up there, if not before. I had a fairly long and very enjoyable talk with Bill just before seeing you, with dropping in at the Innes Award competition in the interum -- where I had come from right before running into you. I hadn't fully realized Bill's conservation efforts are directed at native fish, primarily those of the Southeastern area of the U.S. Next time up to NEC I intend to bring some Black Banded Sunfish as a donation towards his cause, if all goes well during this year's collecting trips. Along these same lines (native fish), I was able to get a bag of 6 Dollar Sunfish (Lepomis marginatus) fry from Tom Ganley who collect the parents down in northern Alabama; Tom was our speaker at last Thursday's NJAS meeting. They're not especially rare but are not found in the Northeast, so they're of more interest around here. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > NEC notwithstanding, business is business. When I came back in, I did > not see you, so I went back to my room to get some stuff done remotely, > and did look for you when I came back down, but never did see you again. > > When Bill and I saw each other, we realized we have known each other for > years, though we never did see each other much, or talk much when we > did. Did you get a chance to chat up with him much? > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > Unfortunately, it appears that Great Lakes Aquariums only delivers > primarily in Michigan - > > including the Detroit area, and extending as far north as Saginaw and > as far west as Battle > > Creek where we had to send all those cereal box tops to get those > secret decoders and those > > atomic rings (as advertised on the popular radio shows we listened to > in the '40's). There are > > also deliveries into northern Ohio (Toledo). Glass Cages at least > delivers as far west in the > > Lakes area as Minneapolis, although the last delivery there for this > year was this past > > weekend. They will be delivering to Clearwater, Minn. this coming > weekend though. > > > > \\Steve//, Where did you disappear to at the NEC after you received > that phone call. While > > you were pre-occupied, I dropped into the vendors room for a short > chat with Mark > > Brodmeyer to allow you time to talk and when I came back you were > gone. I never saw you > > again after that, but was hoping we could have talked more. Anyway, > it was a pleasure > > meeting you, while we just got started catching up on things. Enjoyed > our meeting, short as it > > was; maybe next year. > > Best regards, Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > Lenny, > > > > > > Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is > a tank. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > > > > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for > comparable tank > > > > sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes > place, then > > > > you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery > program > > > > where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank > when coming > > > > to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G > acrylic > > > > tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only > $25.00. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this > company. > > > > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > > > > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > > > > > > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on > upgrading > > > > the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge > and put > > > > all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear > in > > > > background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new > muscles, now! > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38423	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: NEC [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums]

\\Steve//, Yeah, I can understand that business takes precedence over the pleasure of these conventions, even when these conventions are directed at what's central to our interests. We probably attended different speaker talks after that, and missed each other even though I looked for you also. I had also spent some time at Tom Tilles' table to get some magazine back issues I was missing, which accounts for further missed opportunities of not running into you again -- unless you had need to visit the vendors room further. Hopefully we'll have more time to chat next time up there, if not before. I had a fairly long and very enjoyable talk with Bill just before seeing you, with dropping in at the Innes Award competition in the interum -- where I had come from right before running into you. I hadn't fully realized Bill's conservation efforts are directed at native fish, primarily those of the Southeastern area of the U.S. Next time up to NEC I intend to bring some Black Banded Sunfish as a donation towards his cause, if all goes well during this year's collecting trips. Along these same lines (native fish), I was able to get a bag of 6 Dollar Sunfish (Lepomis marginatus) fry from Tom Ganley who collect the parents down in northern Alabama; Tom was our speaker at last Thursday's NJAS meeting. They're not especially rare but are not found in the Northeast, so they're of more interest around here. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > NEC notwithstanding, business is business. When I came back in, I did > not see you, so I went back to my room to get some stuff done remotely, > and did look for you when I came back down, but never did see you again. > > When Bill and I saw each other, we realized we have known each other for > years, though we never did see each other much, or talk much when we > did. Did you get a chance to chat up with him much? > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > Unfortunately, it appears that Great Lakes Aquariums only delivers > primarily in Michigan - > > including the Detroit area, and extending as far north as Saginaw and > as far west as Battle > > Creek where we had to send all those cereal box tops to get those > secret decoders and those > > atomic rings (as advertised on the popular radio shows we listened to > in the '40's). There are > > also deliveries into northern Ohio (Toledo). Glass Cages at least > delivers as far west in the > > Lakes area as Minneapolis, although the last delivery there for this > year was this past > > weekend. They will be delivering to Clearwater, Minn. this coming > weekend though. > > > > \\Steve//, Where did you disappear to at the NEC after you received > that phone call. While > > you were pre-occupied, I dropped into the vendors room for a short > chat with Mark > > Brodmeyer to allow you time to talk and when I came back you were > gone. I never saw you > > again after that, but was hoping we could have talked more. Anyway, > it was a pleasure > > meeting you, while we just got started catching up on things. Enjoyed > our meeting, short as it > > was; maybe next year. > > Best regards, Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > Lenny, > > > > > > Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is > a tank. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > > > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > > > > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for > comparable tank > > > > sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes > place, then > > > > you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have a delivery > program > > > > where they do fish shows all over the USA and can deliver a tank > when coming > > > > to your area for a show or they will also ship them. For my 65G > acrylic > > > > tank (which only weighs around 20 pounds), shipping was only > $25.00. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > > > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this > company. > > > > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > > > > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > > > > > > > > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on > upgrading > > > > the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the water bridge > and put > > > > all the cash into a big tank and new stand. (Is that Lenny I hear > in > > > > background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, hey! I have new > muscles, now! > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38424	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]

I don't know about that. My friends 5' Iguana is a piece of work when things don't go her way. I've lost more than a few drops of blood trying to get her back in her cage when she didn't want to go.... after one of her many breakouts. I had to babysit her for several weeks after Katrina when he evacuated and couldn't come back to take care of her. I was like Dr. Doolittle in the neighborhood. I had peoples birds, cats, dogs, fish, turtles and yes, that BIG iguana.... besides my own tanks to take care of. I guess a tortoise would be a little easier to catch. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums] Reptile transport would be easier... On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > I don't know that they are more popular, but showing seems to be more > popular with the reptiles than it is currently in the fish world, and > they seem to have shows all year round where fish shows are more > likely to occur in the spring and fall. I remember when I could do a > show pretty much every other weekend during the season, and they were > of a good size with 200+ entries. Now, shows seem to be less frequent, > and a good show is 100-150 entries. I do not know why showing has > declined, but I do have some ideas. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:43 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> >> I didn't know reptiles were so much more popular than fish. Of my > circle of >> friends/acquaintances, fish are far more popular. I only know one guy > with >> a big Iguana where quite a few have fish of some degree... some only > having >> a Betta. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >> referenced in above reply are listed on the > right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On >> Behalf Of Steve Szabo >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> >> Lenny, >> >> Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a > tank. >> >> \\Steve// >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> > >> > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out >> > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 for comparable >> > tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes >> > place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have > a >> > delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can >> > deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will >> > also ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around >> > 20 > pounds), >> shipping was only $25.00. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >> > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically >> > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums >> > >> > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this > company. >> > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. >> > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php >> > >> > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on >> > upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the >> > water bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. >> > (Is that Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, >> > hey! I > have >> new muscles, now! >> > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38425	From: bill1433	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Yes but they do not have has great of an inventory. The same can be said over at fish.com. Great products, great prices and NO shipping charge on orders over 49.00 BUT, inventory? Many items out of stock, back order, what have you. Bill --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 9:10 PM > Your Severum is going to need a > bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as > they are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. > My 5 month > old Gold Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not > including his > tail fin), and at least an inch and a half thick around the > middle. You > will also find that they grow rather fast too, so that 55 > gallon tank > may be okay for him/her for a few months, but if you have > other fish in > the tank too it's going to be a big bioload for a 55 gallon > tank. Is it > the only fish in the tank or are there others? > I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. > I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith.com or > www.thatpetplace.com, the > 2nd website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges > than > drsfostersmith. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > Good day all! > >  > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I > currently don't > > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this > is in during > > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and > found that they > > prefer warmer waters. > >  > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on > aquarium > > heaters? (below $50) > >  > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38426	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank

Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances are you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you syphon the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything heavy duty to make the tank habitable again. Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was the first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get sick easier and can die a lot faster. Amber Shirley Reichard wrote: > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > really bad > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > are less > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of their > > messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place to > develop the > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species as a > > common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. With all > of the > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > also comes > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but I > > still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because consumers > > keep buying them but consumers should also know about the extra care > that > > will be required. > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these internal > > defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter system, your > > maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper filter > maintenance > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's (partial > > water changes)? > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would suggest > > spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might cost. > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > kits for > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > you had > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > etc.... > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > reason for > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's not > > necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > long is a > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > goldfish and > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult sized > > goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They need high > > levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank unless one is > > doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. Possibly a 20G long > would be > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper tank > > maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized tank > (48" x > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > around as > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > other > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > usually the > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > do not > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are eating/pooping > > machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more with very good > filtration > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > Goldfish > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > time) and > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > meaning you > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > cycle > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > product to > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > died) > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > tank had > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > plec. I > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > I loved > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > did a > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she was > > dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > continued > > to thrive. > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > roots of a > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > diagnose > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > fish. > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > want to > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > it. But > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > the 20 > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > sites (maybe > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > that if > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > So, how > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > elements > > that may remain? > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38427	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and re-starting a tank

Hmmm... somehow I missed Shirley's reply but like Amber says, just using water from an existing tank will do little or nothing towards getting a new tank cycled. The nitrifying bacteria (that allow a tank to "cycle" the ammonia and nitrites into much less toxic nitrates... the nitrogen "cycle") live on the surface areas of the tank and overwhelmingly in the surface areas of the filter media which is like a drive-through for them since all of the water/food passes through the filter media several times an hour... instead of them living on a piece of gravel or corner of the tank where they may not get lots of food passing by.... they're not stupid bacteria. ;-) Heck... they might just be the smartest couch-potato bacteria around... just sit back on a piece of filter media with an open mouth and let the food go right in. LOL While it is good to use existing water from a tank where the fish are already housed, so that they will already be acclimated to those water parameters, you will need some of the filter media and gravel to kick-start the cycling process of a newly set up or overly-cleaned tank/fitler system. If you use enough cycled filter media and gravel from an existing tank, then the newly set up or cleaned tank could actually be instantly cycled... depending on the bioload of the tank and how much nitrifying bacteria were transferred from the cycled tank. Remember, when moving filter media around, if you remove too much from an existing tank, it could cause that tank to have cycling issues so you have to estimate the bioload of the current tank with the new tank and only transfer a proportionate amount of the media to allow both tanks to have only minimal cycling issues. If there's anything you do not understand, please follow-up with more questions. I compare learning the nitrogen cycle to learning to ride a bike. It takes a little while to figure out but once it clicks, then you wonder why it was so difficult in the first place. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cleaning and re-starting a tank Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances are you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you syphon the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything heavy duty to make the tank habitable again. Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was the first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get sick easier and can die a lot faster. Amber Shirley Reichard wrote: > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > really bad > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > are less > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of > > their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place > > to > develop the > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species > > as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. > > With all > of the > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > also comes > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but > > I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because > > consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the > > extra care > that > > will be required. > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these > > internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter > > system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper > > filter > maintenance > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's > > (partial water changes)? > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would > > suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might cost. > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > kits for > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > you had > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > etc.... > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > reason for > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's > > not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > long is a > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > goldfish and > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult > > sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They > > need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank > > unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. > > Possibly a 20G long > would be > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper > > tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized > > tank > (48" x > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > around as > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > other > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > usually the > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > do not > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are > > eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more > > with very good > filtration > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > Goldfish > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > time) and > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > meaning you > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > cycle > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > product to > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > died) > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > tank had > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > plec. I > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > I loved > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > did a > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she > > was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > continued > > to thrive. > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > roots of a > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > diagnose > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > fish. > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > want to > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > it. But > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > the 20 > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > sites (maybe > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > that if > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > So, how > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > elements > > that may remain?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38428	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums]

Gosh, and I always thought I was the neighborhood petsitter ;) LOL. Whenever anyone has any questions about an animal I'm the first person they call, NOT the vet, LOL. My hubby now helps control my pet attraction, but he's not able to curb the fish attraction so well ;) LOL. I've never pet sat an iguana, sounds like a troublemaker to me ;) I always wanted a chameleon though, it's like a really slow iguana that can change colors ;) Wonder if hubby would mind a chameleon, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't know about that. My friends 5' Iguana is a piece of work when > things don't go her way. I've lost more than a few drops of blood > trying to > get her back in her cage when she didn't want to go.... after one of her > many breakouts. > > I had to babysit her for several weeks after Katrina when he evacuated and > couldn't come back to take care of her. I was like Dr. Doolittle in the > neighborhood. I had peoples birds, cats, dogs, fish, turtles and yes, that > BIG iguana.... besides my own tanks to take care of. > > I guess a tortoise would be a little easier to catch. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Shows [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums] > > Reptile transport would be easier... > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > I don't know that they are more popular, but showing seems to be more > > popular with the reptiles than it is currently in the fish world, and > > they seem to have shows all year round where fish shows are more > > likely to occur in the spring and fall. I remember when I could do a > > show pretty much every other weekend during the season, and they were > > of a good size with 200+ entries. Now, shows seem to be less frequent, > > and a good show is 100-150 entries. I do not know why showing has > > declined, but I do have some ideas. > > > > \\Steve// > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:43 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > >> > >> I didn't know reptiles were so much more popular than fish. Of my > > circle of > >> friends/acquaintances, fish are far more popular. I only know one guy > > with > >> a big Iguana where quite a few have fish of some degree... some only > > having > >> a Betta. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > >> referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > >> Behalf Of Steve Szabo > >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > >> > >> Lenny, > >> > >> Actually, they do more reptile shows than fish shows, but a tank is a > > tank. > >> > >> \\Steve// > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > >> > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > >> > > >> > Some of their prices seem pretty good. Also check out > >> > http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2 > <http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=ViewCat&lCatID=2> for comparable > >> > tank sizes and prices. If you live in the area of the Great Lakes > >> > place, then you could save on shipping costs. GlassCages does have > > a > >> > delivery program where they do fish shows all over the USA and can > >> > deliver a tank when coming to your area for a show or they will > >> > also ship them. For my 65G acrylic tank (which only weighs around > >> > 20 > > pounds), > >> shipping was only $25.00. > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > >> > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically > >> > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > >> > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > >> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:45 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Great Lakes Aquariums > >> > > >> > I was just wondering if anyone has done business with this > > company. > >> > Their prices seem reasonable, if their product is good. > >> > http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php > <http://www.greatlakesaquariums.com/rpl.php> > >> > > >> > If I'd realized how much time and money I'd be spending on > >> > upgrading the buffet, I probably would have skipped making the > >> > water bridge and put all the cash into a big tank and new stand. > >> > (Is that Lenny I hear in background saying, "I told you so!"?) But, > >> > hey! I > > have > >> new muscles, now! > >> > > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38429	From: gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums

Ok, I checked out both links. One link said I will only need a 36 gallon. The link I intitally found said 55 gallon. So far she is only 2-3". Are they a fast growing fish? Should I have a heater? Or I guess once the weather warms up; my tank should too. The current temp this am was 76 degrees.   I am curious about the growth rate, because she does really good in the 55 gallon - there is tons of room and I may consider upgrading later to a larger tank anyways.... <shrug>   thanks , gail --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:05 AM Yes Amber, I was talking too much about the heater and not enough about the fish. http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Heros_severus. html http://www.cichlid- forum.com/ profiles/ species.php? id=2448 You'll see from the above two reputable profiles that a Severum should grow to 12" and a 12" fish should have at least a 6' long tank and preferably an 8' long tank... just to give them swimming room. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as they are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. My 5 month old Gold Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not including his tail fin), and at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. You will also find that they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may be okay for him/her for a few months, but if you have other fish in the tank too it's going to be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only fish in the tank or are there others? I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith .com or www.thatpetplace. com, the 2nd website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges than drsfostersmith. Amber gail wrote: > > Good day all! > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they > prefer warmer waters. > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium > heaters? (below $50) > > thanks, > Gail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38430	From: Gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Okay, here is another predicament: How many Watts per gallon on heaters? I have a 55 gallon - how many watts should my heater be to sufficiently heat my tank? is there an equasion for that?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38431	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums

You have to read more than just a single line. The Mongabay profile says that Severums grow to 12" and that a 36G tank is OK for a single Severum up to 6". Remember that as large fish grow, they increase their body mass by eight times for each time they double their length. A 12" Severum is equal in body mass to at least eight 6" Severums. This is why neither a 36G or 55G tank will do for a Severum. If your plans are to upgrade your 55G to a 6' long or better yet, an 8' long tank in the very near future, then it will be OK. If not, then your 55G will only cause stunting issues and/or suffer from water quality issues unless you are prepared to do daily PWC's and tank/filter maintenance to dilute/remove the pollution that a BIG fish puts out. A 12" Severum is not the same as 12 1" fish or four 3" fish. A 12" Severum is equal in body mass to over 500 1" fish. This is a proven fact... not just my opinion. If you feel comfortable putting 500 1" fish in a 55G tank, then you can justify putting an expected adult size 12" Severum in the tank. Obviously, the answer is NO to either of those thoughts. I do not know how fast a Severum should grow. Unfortunately, I don't know if they have hard scientific data about how fast they should grow since, in the past, so many hobbyists would keep them in undersized tanks and then say... "they don't grow very fast"... but that is likely due to the fact that they were in undersized tanks and were being stunted. Try to find some qualified testing and/or experiments where a single Severum was put in a BIG tank from the start and then fed properly and then see where their growth chart is compared to one that was kept in an undersized tank. With goldfish and Koi, these things have been charted out and a single goldfish will grow to 80% to 90% of it's expected adult size in the first 2-3 years so this is why it's SO IMPORTANT to give them a proper sized tank from the start. They grow to 50% of their expected adult size in the first year. You can't wait 2-3 years and say I'll get them a bigger tank when they grow bigger... as they will not grow to proper size in an undersized tank (or pond in the case of long-bodied goldfish and/or Koi). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks/ Severums Ok, I checked out both links. One link said I will only need a 36 gallon. The link I intitally found said 55 gallon. So far she is only 2-3". Are they a fast growing fish? Should I have a heater? Or I guess once the weather warms up; my tank should too. The current temp this am was 76 degrees.   I am curious about the growth rate, because she does really good in the 55 gallon - there is tons of room and I may consider upgrading later to a larger tank anyways.... <shrug>   thanks , gail --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:05 AM Yes Amber, I was talking too much about the heater and not enough about the fish. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Heros_severus.html http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2448 You'll see from the above two reputable profiles that a Severum should grow to 12" and a 12" fish should have at least a 6' long tank and preferably an 8' long tank... just to give them swimming room. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as they are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. My 5 month old Gold Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not including his tail fin), and at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. You will also find that they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may be okay for him/her for a few months, but if you have other fish in the tank too it's going to be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only fish in the tank or are there others? I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith .com or www.thatpetplace. com, the 2nd website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges than drsfostersmith. Amber gail wrote: > > Good day all! > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they > prefer warmer waters. > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium > heaters? (below $50) > > thanks, > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38432	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums

The bigger the tank and the more PWC's you do will cause more growth, as well as how often you feed her. Mine grows about an inch a month it seems like, fast growing little guy ;) You will probably have to upgrade in less than half a year depending on her growth rate, but they grow fairly fast if you feed them well enough. I would suggest getting a heater, I would suggest getting 2 of the 100 watt heaters, and put one on each side of the tank, that will keep the temperature steady for the whole tank, and in case one of them fails to work the water temp shouldn't drop too much with only 1 heater working. I like to keep 2 heaters on my bigger tanks for this reason. Amber gail wrote: > > > Ok, I checked out both links. One link said I will only need a 36 > gallon. The link I intitally found said 55 gallon. So far she is only > 2-3". Are they a fast growing fish? Should I have a heater? Or I guess > once the weather warms up; my tank should too. The current temp this > am was 76 degrees. > > I am curious about the growth rate, because she does really good in > the 55 gallon - there is tons of room and I may consider upgrading > later to a larger tank anyways.... <shrug> > > thanks , > gail > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:05 AM > > Yes Amber, I was talking too much about the heater and not enough > about the > fish. > > http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Heros_severus. html > http://www.cichlid- forum.com/ profiles/ species.php? id=2448 > > You'll see from the above two reputable profiles that a Severum should > grow > to 12" and a 12" fish should have at least a 6' long tank and > preferably an > 8' long tank... just to give them swimming room. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks > > Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least a 75 gallon, as they > are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. My 5 month old Gold > Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not including his tail > fin), and > at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. You will also > find that > they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may be okay for him/her > for a few months, but if you have other fish in the tank too it's going to > be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only fish in the tank or > are there others? > I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just fine. > I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith .com or www.thatpetplace. com, > the 2nd > website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges than > drsfostersmith. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > Good day all! > > > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon bowfront. I currently don't > > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees (this is in during > > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum and found that they > > prefer warmer waters. > > > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a deal on aquarium > > heaters? (below $50) > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38433	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Depending on the ambient temperature of the room where the tank is kept, 3W to 5W per gallon is the usual range. Things like surface agitation and whether it's a glass or acrylic tank also have a role. That is why I suggested two 100W heaters so you would have around 4W/G, splitting the difference between 3 and 5 and providing you redundancy in the unlikely heater failure. On BIG tanks, it's always best to run two of every thing, IMO. The cost of replacing fish on a BIG tank warrants erring on the side of caution. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: heaters for large tanks Okay, here is another predicament: How many Watts per gallon on heaters? I have a 55 gallon - how many watts should my heater be to sufficiently heat my tank? is there an equasion for that?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38434	From: bill1433	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks/ Severums

Hi Gail, Probably 150 or 200 watt would be better in larger tanks, 100 + gallons. And as Amber just said 2 is better than one; easier to control heat, good in case something happens to one of them BUT………………Remember………….. The most important thing. What is the temperature of the room where the tank is being kept? Is the tank in the line of or by any direct sunlight or heating units or air-ducts for heat? All of these are important factors for figuring heater size and quantity. Obviously, a tank that is being kept in a room that already is at 74 degree’s, the heater would not have to work as hard. The same can be said for sunlight during the daylight hours and being close to heater vents for the home. Bill --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks/ Severums > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 2:21 PM > The bigger the tank and the more > PWC's you do will cause more growth, as > well as how often you feed her. Mine grows about an inch a > month it > seems like, fast growing little guy ;) > You will probably have to upgrade in less than half a year > depending on > her growth rate, but they grow fairly fast if you feed them > well enough. > I would suggest getting a heater, I would suggest getting 2 > of the 100 > watt heaters, and put one on each side of the tank, that > will keep the > temperature steady for the whole tank, and in case one of > them fails to > work the water temp shouldn't drop too much with only 1 > heater working. > I like to keep 2 heaters on my bigger tanks for this > reason. > > Amber > > gail wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I checked out both links. One link said I will > only need a 36 > > gallon. The link I intitally found said 55 gallon. So > far she is only > > 2-3". Are they a fast growing fish? Should I have a > heater? Or I guess > > once the weather warms up; my tank should too. The > current temp this > > am was 76 degrees. > >  > > I am curious about the growth rate, because she does > really good in > > the 55 gallon - there is tons of room and I may > consider upgrading > > later to a larger tank anyways.... <shrug> > >  > > thanks , > > gail > > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:05 AM > > > > Yes Amber, I was talking too much about the heater and > not enough > > about the > > fish. > > > > http://fish. > mongabay. com/species/ Heros_severus. html > > http://www.cichlid- forum.com/ profiles/ species.php? > id=2448 > > > > You'll see from the above two reputable profiles that > a Severum should > > grow > > to 12" and a 12" fish should have at least a 6' long > tank and > > preferably an > > 8' long tank... just to give them swimming room. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] heaters for large tanks > > > > Your Severum is going to need a bigger tank, at least > a 75 gallon, as they > > are very long and wide fish when they are full grown. > My 5 month old Gold > > Severum is already over 3 1/2 inches long (not > including his tail > > fin), and > > at least an inch and a half thick around the middle. > You will also > > find that > > they grow rather fast too, so that 55 gallon tank may > be okay for him/her > > for a few months, but if you have other fish in the > tank too it's going to > > be a big bioload for a 55 gallon tank. Is it the only > fish in the tank or > > are there others? > > I keep my Severum at 77-78 degrees and he seems just > fine. > > I usually shop at www.drsfotstersmith .com or > www.thatpetplace. com, > > the 2nd > > website tends to have more reasonable shipping charges > than > > drsfostersmith. > > > > Amber > > > > gail wrote: > > > > > > Good day all! > > > > > > I am considering a heater for my 55 gallon > bowfront. I currently don't > > > have one and my tank runs approx 72 - 75 degrees > (this is in during > > > Utah winter months). I just bought a Gold Severum > and found that they > > > prefer warmer waters. > > > > > > Does anyone know a really good place to get a > deal on aquarium > > > heaters? (below $50) > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38435	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: re about filters

I think I figured out some of the prob with the old filter. I got the intake tube hosed out (still am planning on soaking it and filter in vinegar to get hard water deposits off.) But I found a clip thing between the intake tube and the side of the tube. Since I did that the filter has been running lie it should. If a filter is not level and the intake tube is resting on the side of the glass could that have caused it not to flow like it normally would? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38436	From: gail	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: heaters for large tanks

Thanks you guys. All of the links were incredibly helpful. So it looks like I will need a 250Watt and they are so cheap on the sites you have recommended. I never thought in my wildest dreams it would only be $20. I guess I get lost in my Wal Mart & PetSmart world and forget that there are other retailers out there.   Thanks !! gail   ps I will try to post some new pics on my album (if I can find it again) My gold Severum is so cute!! She likes to hang out with my BP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38437	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: re about filters

As long as the top of the filter reservoir is leaning into the tank, you should not have a problem. From your description of the intake tube touching the glass, it sounds like that is what is happening. If the top of the filter reservoir was leaning away from the tank, then there is always a chance of water in the reservoir overtopping the back of the reservoir and pouring out onto your floor. With it leaning into the tank, it will either go through the filter cartridge or overtop the filter cartridge... either of which will at least have the water going back into the tank. I have all of my HOB's set up to lean slightly into the tank. Most have little tabs that can be adjusted where the bottom of the motor or reservoir is at on the outside of the tank so that is pushes the bottom of the filter away from the glass to make sure it leans slightly inward... for this reason. Since yours is leaning so far in that the intake is touching the inside glass of the tank, check to see if you can adjust this tab so that it is still slightly leaning into the tank but not as much. If you can't, then I don't see a problem with the intake touching the glass. What brand/model filter system do you have? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] re about filters I think I figured out some of the prob with the old filter. I got the intake tube hosed out (still am planning on soaking it and filter in vinegar to get hard water deposits off.) But I found a clip thing between the intake tube and the side of the tube. Since I did that the filter has been running lie it should. If a filter is not level and the intake tube is resting on the side of the glass could that have caused it not to flow like it normally would? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38438	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Sick Gourami

The reason the link didn't work is the "ml" got cut off of the link when it broke. Some email readers will break a link that is too long.. in it's opinion. I fixed the link by adding the "ml" in your reply below but it may get broken again. Just go to my main blog link http://goldlenny.blogspot.com and then on the right side, under Labels, you'll see the "Disease, Illness, Diagnosis, Treatment" page. On that page, is the website for finding a vet or university vet school. I'm not sure that just poking him will do. If he's not eating, it's likely due to some kind of digestive tract infection that is causing the swelling. While it might be OK to aspirate a swim bladder or cyst, you can't just aspirate any other organ that might be swollen with infection. Now, what the Vet might do is give the fish a shot of an antibiotic which is commonly used when treating goldfish or Koi... but you would need to find a Vet that can do this. I see you are replying from your blackberry. Do you have normal internet access right now? I just looked at my blog article and here is a copy/paste of the section about finding a fish vet. http://www.aquavets.com/ - "This web portal provides access to searchable online databases of Aquatic Veterinarians and Disease Diagnostic Laboratories involved with the health, welfare and medicine of any aquatic animal...". I suggest clicking "Search For A Vet", then putting your Country and State, then check off Ornamental Fish and Other, then check off Private Veterinary Practice, Academic Education (Undergrad or Grad), Continuing Education and Government Agency. Using this for my area, the only one that I was able to find was the nearby University Vet School. I know that my local PetsMart has a Veterinary office within the store but I'm not sure if they treat fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: taniaamthor@... [mailto:taniaamthor@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:08 PM To: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Subject: Re: Sick Gourami Hi Lenny and thanks so much for your help. Your link( http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml) didn't work for me. I was hoping to find a fish vet school if possible. He's not gonna last long his eyes are really sunken in he hasn't eaten in over 3 weeks! I really don't know what the issue is. I really just feel like trying to poke him and deflate him. It seems like that would be the solution, but is there a way to anesthesize him first ? Thanks for your help. Cheers, Tania Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <goldlenny@...> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:50:51 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <taniaamthor@...> Subject: Sick Gourami Hi Tania, (this reply has some additional info from my private reply I sent a moment ago but I also wanted to start a thread in the group so others can also learn) Sorry. Your email went into my Junk mail folder for some reason. I only check it every couple of days... unless I'm looking for something... so I just got it. I know in the various goldfish/koi groups/forums, this is occasionally done by a member but I've never seen it done on a Gourami before so I wouldn't know where to insert the needle. It's usually done by a veterinarian. I'm not sure I would even try this on my own but if there are no veterinarian options or other options, I guess anything is possible. Check out the following articles, http://thegab.org/Articles/Buoyancy.html, http://thegab.org/Articles/GoldfishInternalAnatomy.html, http://thegab.org/Links/GoldfishProcedures.html, http://thegab.org/Articles/CystAspiration.html and also join this forum http://thegab.org and maybe one of the members there will know of a specific article with detailed instructions on doing this procedure on a Gourami. Things are able to be done on goldfish and Koi that can't be done on other fish as easily due to the smaller size of other fish... but at least Gouramis are getting a little bigger in size compared to much smaller tropical fish. Last but not least, go to my blog on the Disease & Illness Diagnosis & Treatment page, http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml and check out the links to veterinarians and read my instructions about possibly finding a university veterinary school that might offer free services for performing such a procedure. While it's certainly OK for you to email me directly, also send a copy to the group so I'll have a better chance of getting it quicker since spam filters seem to grab good emails on occasion. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: taniaamthor@... [mailto:taniaamthor@...] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:18 AM To: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Subject: Sick Gourami Hey Lenny+ Friends, Thanks for your advice. I am still in the sam e position with my sick. Gourami fish, I stopped the Maracyn 1+2(he got 2 wks, no improvement, still alive though), he's not interested in eating peas or medicated food. He is very swollen with air throughout the belly and head down with his tail out of the water in a qt . I read that a fish doc recommends sticking a needle into the fish and sucking out the air as a remedy. http://www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/swim_bladder_disease/ I thought I could try that as a last resort, although it seems I should stick the needle into the belly as that's where the air is stuck, I don't even know where to poke for the swim bladder if I had to. It would be wise however to put him temporarily to sleep/numb for this though. I know some people don't have luck waking the fish up again so I wanted your advice on how to go about this(putting to sleep, where to poke, or what to do instead of this) and what you would do in this situation. Thank you so much for your help. I really wanna help my little tough guy make it. Cheers + thanks gain in advance. Best, Tania Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38439	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip

Oh - 20 years old? I don't specifically nkow the history, but I really duobt that's the kind I replaced a few months ago. I am wondering if you could just replace the switch. That would probably be fairly simple, assuming you know how to wire a switch. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoneill3" <twoneill@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Perfecto Flourescent Light Strip Help, I have an olded ~ 20yr 24" perfecto flourescent light strip that has the trigger (push and hold 5 second) on/off switch. This is the setup without a starter. Can anyone tell me where I can get a replacement switch? The original switch gets stuck and no longer works. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38440	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Best to buy the frozen variety; do you not have them available? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Ok I have looked at the auctions on ebay uk about bloodworm etc, now to my thinking if I buy the pellets how much actual bloodworm are they going to have in them ?, would I be better of buying freeze drieed ones and not the pellets, would I need the pellets for any particlar fish rather than the freeze dried ones.? Garry ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38441	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Hi Dora. I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Best to buy the frozen variety; do you not have them available? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Ok I have looked at the auctions on ebay uk about bloodworm etc, now to my thinking if I buy the pellets how much actual bloodworm are they going to have in them ?, would I be better of buying freeze drieed ones and not the pellets, would I need the pellets for any particlar fish rather than the freeze dried ones.? Garry __________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38442	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: OT Ugly posts.

Quick question: Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38443	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Some Yahoo Groups are strict for trimming posts and others like to have full threads so that if someone is coming into the thread late, they can go to the bottom and start up. I think most of the long time members of the group get their posts via email and I know I prefer to have a full and intact thread so I can review previous posts and information. Another group I am in is completely the opposite and wants every post trimmed and the moderators add comments to every post, reminding people to trim the post, post only in plain text, etc., etc., before it gets posted. That seems WAY overboard to me. While I realize that long threads can sometimes be a nuisance, if someone isn't interested in the subject, they can simply delete the entire email, but if someone is interested, then having the entire thread intact can be helpful for getting them up to speed. For example, if I didn't include your original post below and someone didn't get it, and then they get my reply, they wouldn't know why I'm sending this reply. I do encourage folks to trim the stuff not germane to the thread such as footers and ads added by Yahoo. There are ways to reduce the size of the emails you receive from Yahoo Groups, by editing your membership to receive emails in plain text and the original format, instead of the new format in HTML. Also, one can get either individual emails or digest format. That's just my opinion... any others? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. Quick question: Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38444	From: bill1433	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Sometimes its not that easy! I tried once, to cut down one of my own replies to post, and when I sent it, it came back or to the group as a full scale mess. not even readable! Its not always the fault of the sender. All due respect Heidi, blame Yahoo mail and its configurations there of. Bill --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Adeline <angelledust@...> wrote: > From: Adeline <angelledust@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:24 PM > Quick question: > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six > words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the > previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get > to the next message. > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol > -Heidi > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38445	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Who's Heidi? Bill, you know you're not supposed to reply until you've had at least two cups of coffee. ;-) Something else I just realized is that Adeline is probably getting the Daily Digest.. oops.. I just realized she did sign her OP as Heidi. I see Adeline (and then angelledust as the email addy) in the From line so I didn't even realize there was a Heidi involved. I thought it was either Adeline or Angelle. LOL Anyhow... Heidi, if you are getting the Daily Digest, then it's best to get it in the New format and HTML, that way, at the top of the Daily Digest, there will be a list of topics in the email and you can click on one of the topic links and it will zip down to that topic in the digest so you don't have to scroll through all of the other topics. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. Sometimes its not that easy! I tried once, to cut down one of my own replies to post, and when I sent it, it came back or to the group as a full scale mess. not even readable! Its not always the fault of the sender. All due respect Heidi, blame Yahoo mail and its configurations there of. Bill --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Adeline <angelledust@...> wrote: > From: Adeline <angelledust@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:24 PM Quick question: > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it > takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and > everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38446	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

I agree with Lenny. I am new to the group and to having aquariums and I joined this group so I can learn. I hate picking up a thread that is only half there and not knowing what in the world everyone is talking about.   Just my humble opinion, Sandi --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:10 PM Some Yahoo Groups are strict for trimming posts and others like to have full threads so that if someone is coming into the thread late, they can go to the bottom and start up. I think most of the long time members of the group get their posts via email and I know I prefer to have a full and intact thread so I can review previous posts and information. Another group I am in is completely the opposite and wants every post trimmed and the moderators add comments to every post, reminding people to trim the post, post only in plain text, etc., etc., before it gets posted. That seems WAY overboard to me. While I realize that long threads can sometimes be a nuisance, if someone isn't interested in the subject, they can simply delete the entire email, but if someone is interested, then having the entire thread intact can be helpful for getting them up to speed. For example, if I didn't include your original post below and someone didn't get it, and then they get my reply, they wouldn't know why I'm sending this reply. I do encourage folks to trim the stuff not germane to the thread such as footers and ads added by Yahoo. There are ways to reduce the size of the emails you receive from Yahoo Groups, by editing your membership to receive emails in plain text and the original format, instead of the new format in HTML. Also, one can get either individual emails or digest format. That's just my opinion... any others? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:25 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. Quick question: Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38447	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

No one is getting blamed. It's not that big of a deal, really. I was just curious to see if I was the only one who thought it was a waste of time (all the scrolling), thus making the list cumbersome in general. Also, my name is Adeline. For some silly German reason, Heidi is the nickname for Adeline. I go by Heidi most often. Sorry about the confusion. -Heidi > > Sometimes its not that easy! I tried once, to cut down one of my own replies to post, and when I sent it, it came back or to the group as a full scale mess. not even readable! Its not always the fault of the sender. > All due respect Heidi, blame Yahoo mail and its configurations there of. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38448	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

It's good that you started this thread. I think every BIG group should have this discussion from time to time so folks get a better feel for why a group does things the way it does. Hmmmm... as you can see from my last name, I have a little bit of German in me too... but I never knew about the Adeline/Heidi thing. Leave it to us German's to come up with that. LOL BTW... Ich spreche Deutsche nicht so gut! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. No one is getting blamed. It's not that big of a deal, really. I was just curious to see if I was the only one who thought it was a waste of time (all the scrolling), thus making the list cumbersome in general. Also, my name is Adeline. For some silly German reason, Heidi is the nickname for Adeline. I go by Heidi most often. Sorry about the confusion. -Heidi > > Sometimes its not that easy! I tried once, to cut down one of my own replies to post, and when I sent it, it came back or to the group as a full scale mess. not even readable! Its not always the fault of the sender. > All due respect Heidi, blame Yahoo mail and its configurations there of. > > Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38449	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Freeze dried are not nearly as good, that is why Dora asked if you got the frozen kind. You want the kind that is fresh and frozen, not dried. Freeze dried doesn't have as many vitamins, and probably doesn't taste nearly as good, not to mention that with freeze dried foods you have to rehydrate them before feeding them or they can cause intestinal issues. Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > Hi Dora. > I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dora Smith > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > > Best to buy the frozen variety; do you not have them available? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@... > <mailto:garrywilliams59%40yahoo.co.uk>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > > Ok I have looked at the auctions on ebay uk about bloodworm etc, now to my > thinking if I buy the pellets how much actual bloodworm are they going to > have in them ?, would I be better of buying freeze drieed ones and not the > pellets, would I need the pellets for any particlar fish rather than the > freeze dried ones.? > > Garry > > __________________________________________________________ > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and > ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38450	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

I gave up getting YahooGroups Digest long ago, because they are so frustrating to read through. It's much easier to get individual emails and filter them to a separate folder, then you don't have to worry about scrolling unless you want to see previous posts in a thread. I was told when I joined to leave previous posts on, but I do trim lengthy signature blocks and such. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adeline" <angelledust@...> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:24 PM Quick question: Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38451	From: bill1433	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Very bottom Len, after close of last part of message she signed: lol -Heidi Hope I did not offened. Coffee? I was on my 3rd at the time! Bill --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:25 PM > Who's Heidi?  Bill, you know > you're not supposed to reply until you've had > at least two cups of coffee. ;-) > > Something else I just realized is that Adeline is probably > getting the Daily > Digest.. oops.. I just realized she did sign her OP as > Heidi.  I see Adeline > (and then angelledust as the email addy) in the From line > so I didn't even > realize there was a Heidi involved.  I thought it was > either Adeline or > Angelle.  LOL > > Anyhow... > > Heidi, if you are getting the Daily Digest, then it's best > to get it in the > New format and HTML, that way, at the top of the Daily > Digest, there will be > a list of topics in the email and you can click on one of > the topic links > and it will zip down to that topic in the digest so you > don't have to scroll > through all of the other topics. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > > > Sometimes its not that easy!  I tried once, to cut > down one of my own > replies to post, and when I sent it, it came back or to the > group as a full > scale mess. not even readable!  Its not always the > fault of the sender. > All due respect Heidi, blame Yahoo mail and its > configurations there of. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Adeline <angelledust@...> > wrote: > > > From: Adeline <angelledust@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:24 PM Quick > question: > > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > > > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six > words, but it > > takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous > replies and > > everyone's email signatures just to get to the next > message. > > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol -Heidi > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38452	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

I agree with ya len. When I do trim i try to remember to leave at least one of the replies with mine. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 1:24 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. I agree with Lenny. I am new to the group and to having aquariums and I joined this group so I can learn. I hate picking up a thread that is only half there and not knowing what in the world everyone is talking about.   Just my humble opinion, Sandi --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:10 PM Some Yahoo Groups are strict for trimming posts and others like to have full threads so that if someone is coming into the thread late, they can go to the bottom and start up. I think most of the long time members of the group get their posts via email and I know I prefer to have a full and intact thread so I can review previous posts and information. Another group I am in is completely the opposite and wants every post trimmed and the moderators add comments to every post, reminding people to trim the post, post only in plain text, etc., etc., before it gets posted. That seems WAY overboard to me. While I realize that long threads can someti mes be a nuisance, if someone isn't interested in the subject, they can simply delete the entire email, but if someone is interested, then having the entire thread intact can be helpful for getting them up to speed. For example, if I didn't include your original post below and someone didn't get it, and then they get my reply, they wouldn't know why I'm sending this reply. I do encourage folks to trim the stuff not germane to the thread such as footers and ads added by Yahoo. There are ways to reduce the size of the emails you receive from Yahoo Groups, by editing your membership to receive emails in plain text and the original format, instead of the new format in HTML. Also, one can get either individual emails or digest format. That's just my opinion... any others? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:25 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. Quick question: Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. Am I the only one who's bothe red by this? lol -Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38453	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Or get a Gmail account for just the group... Sign in and enjoy. The messages stay in the thread, but scrolling with a thumb whell is qick and easy... On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > I gave up getting YahooGroups Digest long ago, because they are so > frustrating to read through. It's much easier to get individual emails and > filter them to a separate folder, then you don't have to worry about > scrolling unless you want to see previous posts in a thread. > > I was told when I joined to leave previous posts on, but I do trim > lengthy signature blocks and such. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adeline" <angelledust@...> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:24 PM > > Quick question: > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 > 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email > signatures just to get to the next message. > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol > -Heidi > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38454	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: am happy

All 15 fry I had from the first batch have managed to stay alive. I put them in the 30 gallon tank along with the 2 surviving fry from this months batch and they are loving it. I put the adults back in the 10 gallon so I can keep track of them and remember their names. Is it normal for adult guppies to chase fry around even if they are too big for them to eat? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38455	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: am happy

It's normal for male guppy's to chase females, so it would be normal for them to chase the female fry. Or perhaps they are just small enough for them to think food but too big to eat? Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > All 15 fry I had from the first batch have managed to stay alive. I > put them in the 30 gallon tank along with the 2 surviving fry from > this months batch and they are loving it. I put the adults back in the > 10 gallon so I can keep track of them and remember their names. Is it > normal for adult guppies to chase fry around even if they are too big > for them to eat? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38456	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: am happy

I think that is the problem. I do have 2 small fry from the second batch left that I can see. and they all look like they could be blonde. but cant tell sex yet. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] am happy It's normal for male guppy's to chase females, so it would be normal for them to chase the female fry. Or perhaps they are just small enough for them to think food but too big to eat? Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > All 15 fry I had from the first batch have managed to stay alive. I > put them in the 30 gallon tank along with the 2 surviving fry from > this months batch and they are loving it. I put the adults back in the > 10 gallon so I can keep track of them and remember their names. Is it > normal for adult guppies to chase fry around even if they are too big > for them to eat? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38457	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Hey everyone, Thanks for telling me how easy it is to sign up for a completely different email account, how easy it is to click links, or how easy it is to use the wheel on my mouse. That was not really the point. General consensus says I am the only one bothered by the crazy-long messages with 60 different replies (which are all repeated over and over in the daily digest, by the way, regardless of the link clicking. You will still be scrolling for a few mins, guaranteed.) I'm not talking about what Lenny is talking about at all. Lenny is talking about leaving previous replies that have something to do with YOUR reply. That makes sense. The other stuff could afford to be trimmed down. -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38458	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

But for me the most recent post is on top (usually). So I don’t have to scroll down at all, I just ignore the rest. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. Hey everyone, Thanks for telling me how easy it is to sign up for a completely different email account, how easy it is to click links, or how easy it is to use the wheel on my mouse. That was not really the point. General consensus says I am the only one bothered by the crazy-long messages with 60 different replies (which are all repeated over and over in the daily digest, by the way, regardless of the link clicking. You will still be scrolling for a few mins, guaranteed.) I'm not talking about what Lenny is talking about at all. Lenny is talking about leaving previous replies that have something to do with YOUR reply. That makes sense. The other stuff could afford to be trimmed down. -Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38459	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

pfft, I dont care about the message lengths unless the respondant is a bottom poster then i get a little pee'd. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adeline To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. Hey everyone, Thanks for telling me how easy it is to sign up for a completely different email account, how easy it is to click links, or how easy it is to use the wheel on my mouse. That was not really the point. General consensus says I am the only one bothered by the crazy-long messages with 60 different replies (which are all repeated over and over in the daily digest, by the way, regardless of the link clicking. You will still be scrolling for a few mins, guaranteed.) I'm not talking about what Lenny is talking about at all. Lenny is talking about leaving previous replies that have something to do with YOUR reply. That makes sense. The other stuff could afford to be trimmed down. -Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38460	From: Adeline	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

You do if you want to read more than one reply. You then have to scroll through everything to get to the next reply, or scroll back up and click the link to get to the next reply, then do that process over again to read further. >Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > But for me the most recent post is on top (usually). So I don't have to > scroll down at all, I just ignore the rest.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38461	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Because you’re on digest? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. You do if you want to read more than one reply. You then have to scroll through everything to get to the next reply, or scroll back up and click the link to get to the next reply, then do that process over again to read further. >Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > But for me the most recent post is on top (usually). So I don't have to > scroll down at all, I just ignore the rest. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38462	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Heidi, It looks like this topic has been pretty much beaten to death, but, let me add my two cents here. I have never understood what the usefulness of the digest was. I remember that it was claimed to be an easier way to get messages from a list, and was quicker to dl than separate messages, but even at 300 baud, I never noticed much of a difference (and, back in those days many were paying by the minute for online time). It was always much easier to get individual messages and ignore or delete those that did not interest you. Keeping threads intact is very important for many people, myself included. On an average evening I have about 200 messages to go through. I may be participated in several threads, and this is an easy way to see what has transpired previously, so that one does not cover territory that has already been covered needlessly, though it is a bit of a problem when one gets many sub-threads from an original message (which this is one from your original message <g>). If I have not participated as of yet, it allows me to see what has already happened without having to find the previous messages. In the case of this list, most of the messages go into the trash after I have looked at them, with very few being saved--mostly those that are highly technical in nature and only of interest to a few of us here. The real problem, as I see it, are those who neglect to chop off the Yahoo tags at the end of the message, something we are all guilty of at one time or another. Receiving and sending messages in plain text helps a lot. I almost never use HTML and never use RTF to edit and send messages. The few times I use HTML is when I cannot express what I am passing along any other way, for example, when using chemical formulae. There is no way to properly express that without HTML and not have it come out looking like gobbled-gook. My advice to you is to set yourself to receive individual messages using plain text, and to use your e-mail editor to send your messages as plain text. \\Steve// P.S. For those marketing monkeys out there who may be reading this, most of your messges are ignored becaue they have more eye candy that fact, and many of your signature tags are far too outlandish. > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Adeline > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] OT Ugly posts. > > Quick question: > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to > scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next > message. > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol > -Heidi > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38463	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with everyones' situation, but if you choose not to go on "daily digest" and have your server organize your mail by subject, you can pretty much follow and/or delete  posts as you choose. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:21:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. pfft, I dont care about the message lengths unless the respondant is a bottom poster then i get a little pee'd. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adeline To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. Hey everyone, Thanks for telling me how easy it is to sign up for a completely different email account, how easy it is to click links, or how easy it is to use the wheel on my mouse. That was not really the point. General consensus says I am the only one bothered by the crazy-long messages with 60 different replies (which are all repeated over and over in the daily digest, by the way, regardless of the link clicking. You will still be scrolling for a few mins, guaranteed.) I'm not talking about what Lenny is talking about at all. Lenny is talking about leaving previous replies that have something to do with YOUR reply. That makes sense. The other stuff could afford to be trimmed down. -Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Heidi, I think in a busy group like this, where at peak times, we will get over 1,500 posts a month, the best way is to get the individual emails in plain text or go with no-mail and read the posts online as the Daily Digests can become quite long and repetitive if there are many replies in a thread. At least with the individual emails, once you are following a thread, you can just read the most recent reply at the top... and then maybe review the rest of the thread when typing a reply. Getting the daily digest format of any busy Yahoo Group will result in seeing multiple copies of the same reply, as many people reply back and forth... especially so in a busy thread. I do get the Daily Digest of a few of the not-so-busy Yahoo Groups that I "monitor" and like to read but if I want to do more than just read, I find it's much better to get the individual emails, mainly because replying to a post in a digest is such a chore with having to copy/paste everything instead of just hitting the reply button and typing away... and then scrolling down to delete any footers/ads, etc... and the fact that any reply I might have will likely be a repeat since the daily digest means I might not be getting some of the posts until 24 hours after they were posted. This issue is a common one, especially in busy Yahoo groups. I wish I had a better... or even a miracle answer but I simply do not think one exists. Like I said in an earlier reply, this discussion comes up on a regular basis in almost every busy group that I subscribe to and it either means the moderators have to spend an inordinate amount of time putting everyone on moderation and pre-viewing and editing every message before it goes out with constant threats of banning, etc., for those members who do not go through and meticulously edit their replies to long threads... or just let the free-market rule and if a group is too busy for someone, then there is always a less busy group. And then there are moderators of some groups who end every one of their posts with this, which I presume is a pre-programmed signature... at least I hope they don't type all of this at the end of each reply. ;-) (START SNIP) This is an International Group so be a friend to our International members who pay per download and/or time on line. All of the untrimmed junk costs these members money. Leave a blank line or two after your reply to separate your reply from the original post. Top post in plain text only as HTML is not allowed for security reasons. Visit CHAD's web site for more software info and tech tips: http://snipurl.com/C_H_A_D -:¦:- ¸.*´*´¨¨)) ¸.*´*´¨¨)) ¸.*´*´¨¨)) ¸.*´*´¨¨)) ((¸¸.*´ ©2009 ((¸¸Gene ((¸¸.*´ 24.128.232.109 -:¦:- A Technical Support Alliance, ITU & OWTA Charter Member -:¦:- 24HourSupport * AHH * Build_A_Computer * Computer_Builders2 * CHAD * CHOL * Computer-Support * CTT * EZ2Compute * Freespire * Linspire * PC-Technical * Pro_Tech * SkyMaps * Take A Tip * Tech Support For Dummies * Vista_OS * Web_Help * WEMRM * Win7 -:¦:- Visit Martha's Web http://www.marthas-web.com/ -:¦:- -Sent via Courier on Thur. 03/26/09 11 AM (GMT-5) (END SNIP) Yes, all of the above is included with every reply from this moderator. I'd much rather see a full intact thread that have to see that every time. LOL To me, including such a long disclaimer and pretty ACSII graphics, etc., with every post is just as much of a nuisance as leaving things alone in the first place. LOL Here is a sample of other comments added to posts by the moderators of that group... [Excess quotes trimmed by Moderator - Don't forget to trim.] [Using capitals and proper punctuation will make your post much easier to read. Post in plain text only. Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Excess quotes trimmed by Moderator - Don't Crodd Post.] (Lenny says: I don't even know what "Crodd" is. LOL) [Post in plain text only. Non-text portions of this message have been removed.] [Spacer added to separate reply from original post] [Excess quotes trimmed by Moderator - Don't forget to trim.] [Post in plain text only. Non-text portions of this message have been removed.] [This is CHAD (Computer Help And Discussion), not CHAT! Using capitals and proper punctuation will make your post much easier to read.] [Excess quotes trimmed by Moderator] [Post in plain text only. Non-text portions of this message have been removed.] [Please do NOT alter the subject when replying to posts as it starts a new thread! It ruins CHAD's archives and creates havoc for members that use threaded readers. Using capitals and proper punctuation will make your post much easier to read.] Lenny is back now... Now, as I stated before, I think folks should self-edit their replies, to a limited degree, to remove things that might not be germane to the thread but it's not necessary to go too overboard either or get to the point where moderators are editing every post to the group. If a thread has 20 or 30 replies going back to the beginning, then it's good to keep all 20 or 30 replies intact, especially when there is a major problem with a fish or tank. Having the info handy makes it easier for folks who are trying to help. Needless to say, I do not reply very often to the above group... but I do get a kick out of all of the moderator comments added to peoples posts and sometimes wonder what was taken out. If I was ever a moderator of a group that decided to lean that way, I'd probably have to give up my mod duties as I'm not going to micro-manage or feel that I am a member's editor. These groups are made up of a diverse group and no two people will reply the same way. It's because of this diversity that folks can and do get good information in order to answer questions or solve problems. Whew... I think Bill O'Reilly might say I bloviated in my above reply. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adeline Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: OT Ugly posts. Hey everyone, Thanks for telling me how easy it is to sign up for a completely different email account, how easy it is to click links, or how easy it is to use the wheel on my mouse. That was not really the point. General consensus says I am the only one bothered by the crazy-long messages with 60 different replies (which are all repeated over and over in the daily digest, by the way, regardless of the link clicking. You will still be scrolling for a few mins, guaranteed.) I'm not talking about what Lenny is talking about at all. Lenny is talking about leaving previous replies that have something to do with YOUR reply. That makes sense. The other stuff could afford to be trimmed down. -Heidi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38465	From: Gilbert	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Hello.

Aloha from Hawaii, My name is Gilbert and I've joined Aquatic life in hopes to broaden my knowledge of fish keeping. I've been involved with the hobby for the majority of my Adult life and with my father who kept aquariums when I was young. I've bred, raised and been involved with a fish farm here in Hawaii. At the farm my main focus was raising brine shrimp and daphnia.Now since retiring I'm trying to get going once again with the hobby. I'd sure like to meet or get to know more of you especially those in Hawaii on O'ahu and other places around the world.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38466	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.

Welcome to the group. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello. Aloha from Hawaii, My name is Gilbert and I've joined Aquatic life in hopes to broaden my knowledge of fish keeping. I've been involved with the hobby for the majority of my Adult life and with my father who kept aquariums when I was young. I've bred, raised and been involved with a fish farm here in Hawaii. At the farm my main focus was raising brine shrimp and daphnia.Now since retiring I'm trying to get going once again with the hobby. I'd sure like to meet or get to know more of you especially those in Hawaii on O'ahu and other places around the world.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38467	From: Gilbert	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Welcome to the group. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Gilbert > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello. > > Aloha from Hawaii, My name is Gilbert and I've joined Aquatic life in hopes > to broaden my knowledge of fish keeping. I've been involved with the hobby > for the majority of my Adult life and with my father who kept aquariums when > I was young. I've bred, raised and been involved with a fish farm here in > Hawaii. At the farm my main focus was raising brine shrimp and daphnia.Now > since retiring I'm trying to get going once again with the hobby. I'd sure > like to meet or get to know more of you especially those in Hawaii on O'ahu > and other places around the world. > Thanks, I hope to become friends at least online

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38468	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Fish Feel Pain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling those lobsters alive! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38469	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain

Done properly, the death o the lobster is pretty much instantaneous. Of course, now you have me thinking that I should go out and get a couple today for dinner tonight along with some steamers and beer. I also cast a leery eye on studies reported in the press, because, so often, they report the results wrongly, and without the caveats that will be found if you read the actual paper. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 > > In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling those > lobsters alive! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38470	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: OT Ugly posts.

Heidi, I've held off until most of the other replies to your query had already been answered, to help give you a more pertinent answer. It appears, since there have been no other replies indicating being bothered by having to "scroll through the previous replies" to see the next message, that so far yes, you seem to be the only one who's bothered by this -- and this is due in a very large part because you are on digest. While there may be a few others here also on digest, I don't see anyone else being bothered by this. I'd strongly advise you to change to recedioving your messages as individual emails (in plain text), as that's most convenient to reading this group posts. The last reply is almost always on top, or at least it should be. You then need to only scroll down as far as you need, to catch up on what has previously transpired -- but for any posters replying to a thread, it's best to keep the previous message or messages with their post as then the reader can follow what it being discussed instead of being left totally in the dark if only the reply was posted. No one could follow the thread if this were the case. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Adeline" <angelledust@...> wrote: > > Quick question: > Why doesn't anyone on this board clean up their posts? > I'm reading through my email and someone will type six words, but it takes 3 1/2 minutes to scroll through the previous replies and everyone's email signatures just to get to the next message. > Am I the only one who's bothered by this? lol > -Heidi >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38471	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain

Can I bring the prawns for the BBQ Steve ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Szabo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain Done properly, the death o the lobster is pretty much instantaneous. Of course, now you have me thinking that I should go out and get a couple today for dinner tonight along with some steamers and beer. I also cast a leery eye on studies reported in the press, because, so often, they report the results wrongly, and without the caveats that will be found if you read the actual paper. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 > > In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling those > lobsters alive! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38472	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: water testers

Not necessary - even though the API test kits are hard to read, you'll get teh hang of them by the time your aquarium is cycled. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldw1123" <LDW3312@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] water testers Okay, I've started water change, big step for an ol' timer set in his way. Today two aquarium magazines showed up in the mail. While glancing through them I saw am add for "digital testers" for saltwater set ups. My question is do they make such testers for freshwater or can I use the saltwater tester? I would think it would take different testers for each type of water due to the chemical differences of the water types. Larry Kansas City ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38473	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain

It only puts a cramp in the lobsters. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling those lobsters alive!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38474	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain

That would presume I got gas for the grill. Don't need the grill for the steamers--they are, as the name says, steamed, and the lobsters are boiled, along with the vegetables, in the same pot at the same time. The butter, of course is melted, and if we are real sticklers, clarified. Prep time is about 10-15 minutes, and if everything is done at the same time, you have a meal in 20 more minutes,, however, we normally do the clams first, then the lobster, as we are eating the clams and drinking the beer. Note, I did not include the time to chill the beer, though I know it does not matter to you Brits, who like the beer warm. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > Can I bring the prawns for the BBQ Steve ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Szabo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > > Done properly, the death o the lobster is pretty much instantaneous. > > Of course, now you have me thinking that I should go out and get a > couple today for dinner tonight along with some steamers and beer. > > I also cast a leery eye on studies reported in the press, because, so > often, they report the results wrongly, and without the caveats that > will be found if you read the actual paper. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 > > > > In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling > those > > lobsters alive! > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38475	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Actually I wanted to know if his local fish stores/ departments CARRY the frozen kind. Frozen worms are vastly superior to teh dried kind. Tehy don't blow up in the animal's stomach and its more likely to just eat its fill, and they're way more nutritious. Those freeze dried animals resemble dust and dried chitin to me. And I can t see how it would rehydrate into normal. You must have to rehydrate it for so long it begins to rot. My tetras and danios are fussy. Since they discovered frozen bloodworms, tehy don't even want frozen brine shrimp! I just waggle teh things from a dropper, and the fish come running. Say, Amber, I've got my new feeding issue. Someone female on one of my lists suggested feedign my otos pieces of sheets of dried marine algae. Now, I got the Ocean Nutrition kind. Should be top of the line. I'm pinning it under rocks and that. Stuff falls apart and makes almost as big a mess as algae pellets (though nothing could make that exact kind of a mess). Any ideas on how to keep it in one piece? I've also been bringing them rocks from the local creek with everything cleaned off but the algae and the scum. They found them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > Freeze dried are not nearly as good, that is why Dora asked if you got > the frozen kind. You want the kind that is fresh and frozen, not dried. > Freeze dried doesn't have as many vitamins, and probably doesn't taste > nearly as good, not to mention that with freeze dried foods you have to > rehydrate them before feeding them or they can cause intestinal issues. > > Amber > > Garry the Womble wrote: >> >> Hi Dora. >> I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. >> Garry >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38476	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Perhaps break them into smaller pieces before putting them into the tank? I'm not quite sure what they look like as I've never used the sheets of algae, but I've seen them for sale online. Can you paste a rock with egg whites and put the sheet of algae on it to dry over night? Then add it to the tank, that may keep it in one piece long enough for them to eat it, but I would start small as you can foul up your tank easily with too much of this kind of food. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Actually I wanted to know if his local fish stores/ departments CARRY the > frozen kind. Frozen worms are vastly superior to teh dried kind. Tehy > don't blow up in the animal's stomach and its more likely to just eat its > fill, and they're way more nutritious. Those freeze dried animals > resemble > dust and dried chitin to me. And I can t see how it would rehydrate into > normal. You must have to rehydrate it for so long it begins to rot. > > My tetras and danios are fussy. Since they discovered frozen bloodworms, > tehy don't even want frozen brine shrimp! I just waggle teh things from a > dropper, and the fish come running. > > Say, Amber, I've got my new feeding issue. Someone female on one of my > lists suggested feedign my otos pieces of sheets of dried marine algae. > Now, I got the Ocean Nutrition kind. Should be top of the line. I'm > pinning it under rocks and that. Stuff falls apart and makes almost as > big > a mess as algae pellets (though nothing could make that exact kind of a > mess). Any ideas on how to keep it in one piece? > > I've also been bringing them rocks from the local creek with everything > cleaned off but the algae and the scum. They found them. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > > > Freeze dried are not nearly as good, that is why Dora asked if you got > > the frozen kind. You want the kind that is fresh and frozen, not dried. > > Freeze dried doesn't have as many vitamins, and probably doesn't taste > > nearly as good, not to mention that with freeze dried foods you have to > > rehydrate them before feeding them or they can cause intestinal issues. > > > > Amber > > > > Garry the Womble wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dora. > >> I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. > >> Garry > >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38477	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Animal Rights Groups

Here is a link to a page on a site that discusses several of the current Animal Rights groups in the US. http://www.dantekennels.com/animalrights.html I bring this up in reference to the discussion we had on H.R. 669, " Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act". The purported purpose is, "To prevent the introduction and establishment of nonnative wildlife species that negatively impact the economy, environment, or other animal species' or human health, and for other purposes." That discussion lead to a brief one on "animal rights" and the groups pushing that sort of agenda. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38478	From: greychildren	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.

Welcome to the group hope you knowlege base grows in here i know mine did.. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gilbert" <grodhi96792@...> wrote: > > Aloha from Hawaii, My name is Gilbert and I've joined Aquatic life in hopes to broaden my knowledge of fish keeping. I've been involved with the hobby for the majority of my Adult life and with my father who kept aquariums when I was young. I've bred, raised and been involved with a fish farm here in Hawaii. At the farm my main focus was raising brine shrimp and daphnia.Now since retiring I'm trying to get going once again with the hobby. I'd sure like to meet or get to know more of you especially those in Hawaii on O'ahu and other places around the world. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38479	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Feel Pain

Well if Gas is a problem I can do sushi. Warm beer !!!. Not on your life, I like it cold enough to freeze a brass monkey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Szabo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain That would presume I got gas for the grill. Don't need the grill for the steamers--they are, as the name says, steamed, and the lobsters are boiled, along with the vegetables, in the same pot at the same time. The butter, of course is melted, and if we are real sticklers, clarified. Prep time is about 10-15 minutes, and if everything is done at the same time, you have a meal in 20 more minutes,, however, we normally do the clams first, then the lobster, as we are eating the clams and drinking the beer. Note, I did not include the time to chill the beer, though I know it does not matter to you Brits, who like the beer warm. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > Can I bring the prawns for the BBQ Steve ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Szabo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > > Done properly, the death o the lobster is pretty much instantaneous. > > Of course, now you have me thinking that I should go out and get a > couple today for dinner tonight along with some steamers and beer. > > I also cast a leery eye on studies reported in the press, because, so > often, they report the results wrongly, and without the caveats that > will be found if you read the actual paper. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Feel Pain > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29915025/?gt1=43001 > > > > In case there is anyone who still doubts it. Puts a cramp in boiling > those > > lobsters alive! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38480	From: jett07002	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Hello.

Well, I know I am gonna get in trouble, but that's the way it goes. How far do we carry this stuff?? I agree cattle should be slaughtered "humanely" , but I am not giving up my occasional steak. I was reading somewhere that plants had feelings, but I am not giving up my salads. We all know that fish have to be suffering when they are being brought in on the fishing boats, but I am not giving up my fish dinners. And I am sorry, but I am still going to indulge in lobster or king crab legs dipped in drawn butter or in a fish salad. So there you go. They found something to say about meat, fish and plants. So what are we supposed to eat? Thank goodness that by the time we are swallowing pills for a meal I probably will not be on the earth to witness it. Thank God! joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38481	From: darlene	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

Go to the hardware store and get a small piece of pvc pipe . 1/4 – 1/2 inch diameter and about 2 inches long, then soak the algae for a few seconds to soften it and wrap it around the tube/pipe. Use a small elastic to hold it in place. This is what we do for the salt water fish tank at work .. it wokrs great and the fish love it !!! Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 28 mars 2009 15:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Perhaps break them into smaller pieces before putting them into the tank? I'm not quite sure what they look like as I've never used the sheets of algae, but I've seen them for sale online. Can you paste a rock with egg whites and put the sheet of algae on it to dry over night? Then add it to the tank, that may keep it in one piece long enough for them to eat it, but I would start small as you can foul up your tank easily with too much of this kind of food. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Actually I wanted to know if his local fish stores/ departments CARRY the > frozen kind. Frozen worms are vastly superior to teh dried kind. Tehy > don't blow up in the animal's stomach and its more likely to just eat its > fill, and they're way more nutritious. Those freeze dried animals > resemble > dust and dried chitin to me. And I can t see how it would rehydrate into > normal. You must have to rehydrate it for so long it begins to rot. > > My tetras and danios are fussy. Since they discovered frozen bloodworms, > tehy don't even want frozen brine shrimp! I just waggle teh things from a > dropper, and the fish come running. > > Say, Amber, I've got my new feeding issue. Someone female on one of my > lists suggested feedign my otos pieces of sheets of dried marine algae. > Now, I got the Ocean Nutrition kind. Should be top of the line. I'm > pinning it under rocks and that. Stuff falls apart and makes almost as > big > a mess as algae pellets (though nothing could make that exact kind of a > mess). Any ideas on how to keep it in one piece? > > I've also been bringing them rocks from the local creek with everything > cleaned off but the algae and the scum. They found them. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > > > Freeze dried are not nearly as good, that is why Dora asked if you got > > the frozen kind. You want the kind that is fresh and frozen, not dried. > > Freeze dried doesn't have as many vitamins, and probably doesn't taste > > nearly as good, not to mention that with freeze dried foods you have to > > rehydrate them before feeding them or they can cause intestinal issues. > > > > Amber > > > > Garry the Womble wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dora. > >> I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. > >> Garry > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38482	From: nevenash11	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: 800,000

800,000 This bothered my thoughts after reading a newspaper in a restaurant in GreenBelt 2. 800,000 is the number of employees that will lose their jobs in the Philippines within the year 2009. Right now, you might be asking already, "Will I be part of this 800,000?" If you are employed, chances are you COULD be one of the 800,000. This is truly an era which only shows that job security is no longer in effect. In fact, unemployment increases every month, its not just happening in our country but also all over the world. Everyday we will hear from the news either companies downsizing or closing down here in Manila or in the province. Recently, our Social Security System already announced that it would no longer grant loans to those who lost their jobs. Most of us would bet our fortune on finding a job abroad. We are willing to leave our family and loved ones. However, due to the global economic depression, jobs available abroad have become limited for the MILLIONS of Filipinos looking for jobs outside the country. To make things even worse, the only region.. read more <http://rhyanmiraflores.blogspot.com/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------ As a gift for taking time reading this message, you can join our online community for free http://ca2020.net/ <http://ca2020.net/> Please forward this to your friends. The first step to change is awareness. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38483	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Animal Rights Groups

Nice link Steve Thanks Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38484	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Bloodworm

OK - should work for spinach, too! Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Go to the hardware store and get a small piece of pvc pipe ... 1/4 - 1/2 inch diameter and about 2 inches long, then soak the algae for a few seconds to soften it and wrap it around the tube/pipe. Use a small elastic to hold it in place. This is what we do for the salt water fish tank at work ... it wokrs great and the fish love it !!! Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 28 mars 2009 15:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm Perhaps break them into smaller pieces before putting them into the tank? I'm not quite sure what they look like as I've never used the sheets of algae, but I've seen them for sale online. Can you paste a rock with egg whites and put the sheet of algae on it to dry over night? Then add it to the tank, that may keep it in one piece long enough for them to eat it, but I would start small as you can foul up your tank easily with too much of this kind of food. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Actually I wanted to know if his local fish stores/ departments CARRY the > frozen kind. Frozen worms are vastly superior to teh dried kind. Tehy > don't blow up in the animal's stomach and its more likely to just eat its > fill, and they're way more nutritious. Those freeze dried animals > resemble > dust and dried chitin to me. And I can t see how it would rehydrate into > normal. You must have to rehydrate it for so long it begins to rot. > > My tetras and danios are fussy. Since they discovered frozen bloodworms, > tehy don't even want frozen brine shrimp! I just waggle teh things from a > dropper, and the fish come running. > > Say, Amber, I've got my new feeding issue. Someone female on one of my > lists suggested feedign my otos pieces of sheets of dried marine algae. > Now, I got the Ocean Nutrition kind. Should be top of the line. I'm > pinning it under rocks and that. Stuff falls apart and makes almost as > big > a mess as algae pellets (though nothing could make that exact kind of a > mess). Any ideas on how to keep it in one piece? > > I've also been bringing them rocks from the local creek with everything > cleaned off but the algae and the scum. They found them. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bloodworm > > > Freeze dried are not nearly as good, that is why Dora asked if you got > > the frozen kind. You want the kind that is fresh and frozen, not dried. > > Freeze dried doesn't have as many vitamins, and probably doesn't taste > > nearly as good, not to mention that with freeze dried foods you have to > > rehydrate them before feeding them or they can cause intestinal issues. > > > > Amber > > > > Garry the Womble wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dora. > >> I got the freeze dried ones from fleabay the other day, so no worries. > >> Garry > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38485	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: had to get me a new filter today.

The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the water level? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38486	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Hi Kate; Just wanted to interject a comment if the old filter did not hit the can yet. I have some Fluval where the motor impellers got stuck due to wear. Obviously, these will not work anymore but that does not stop you from using an outside pump like a Mag 350 or 250 to move the water through the filter. Mine has been working with the old filter canister fine for better than a year- It does not stop like the original one did with a power failure either. Maybe you old filter just had too much air in the pump area- I use two 304 or 404 filter on each tank so that I am able to take one down at a time. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do > wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions > say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the > water level? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38487	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

It has already bit the dust. It had hard water deposits all over it any ways. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Kate; Just wanted to interject a comment if the old filter did not hit the can yet. I have some Fluval where the motor impellers got stuck due to wear. Obviously, these will not work anymore but that does not stop you from using an outside pump like a Mag 350 or 250 to move the water through the filter. Mine has been working with the old filter canister fine for better than a year- It does not stop like the original one did with a power failure either. Maybe you old filter just had too much air in the pump area- I use two 304 or 404 filter on each tank so that I am able to take one down at a time. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filte r on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do > wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions > say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the > water level? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38488	From: Shirley Reichard	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Changing filter media in an established tank

As a result of the discussion about cycling, I'm now a little confused about the filter media in an established tank. If the good bacteria on the filter media is so important, then what happens when you change the media (i.e., carbon and sponge). If the sponge doesn't look too bad, I rinse it and put it back in. But at some point, the sponge needs to be replaced. I have on occasion replaced both sponge and carbon at the same time, with no apparent ill affects. Should I let testing be my guide? That is, if the water tests are okay, don't replace the media? Shirl - In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmm... somehow I missed Shirley's reply but like Amber says, just using > water from an existing tank will do little or nothing towards getting a new > tank cycled. The nitrifying bacteria (that allow a tank to "cycle" the > ammonia and nitrites into much less toxic nitrates... the nitrogen "cycle") > live on the surface areas of the tank and overwhelmingly in the surface > areas of the filter media which is like a drive-through for them since all > of the water/food passes through the filter media several times an hour... > instead of them living on a piece of gravel or corner of the tank where they > may not get lots of food passing by.... they're not stupid bacteria. ;-) > Heck... they might just be the smartest couch-potato bacteria around... just > sit back on a piece of filter media with an open mouth and let the food go > right in. LOL > > While it is good to use existing water from a tank where the fish are > already housed, so that they will already be acclimated to those water > parameters, you will need some of the filter media and gravel to kick-start > the cycling process of a newly set up or overly-cleaned tank/fitler system. > If you use enough cycled filter media and gravel from an existing tank, then > the newly set up or cleaned tank could actually be instantly cycled... > depending on the bioload of the tank and how much nitrifying bacteria were > transferred from the cycled tank. > > Remember, when moving filter media around, if you remove too much from an > existing tank, it could cause that tank to have cycling issues so you have > to estimate the bioload of the current tank with the new tank and only > transfer a proportionate amount of the media to allow both tanks to have > only minimal cycling issues. > > If there's anything you do not understand, please follow-up with more > questions. I compare learning the nitrogen cycle to learning to ride a > bike. It takes a little while to figure out but once it clicks, then you > wonder why it was so difficult in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:50 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cleaning and re-starting a tank > > Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against > the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then > you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By > cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances are > you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died > from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you syphon > the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything heavy > duty to make the tank habitable again. > Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was the > first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. > When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get sick > easier and can die a lot faster. > > Amber > > Shirley Reichard wrote: > > > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > > really bad > > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > > are less > > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of > > > their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place > > > to > > develop the > > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species > > > as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. > > > With all > > of the > > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > > also comes > > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but > > > I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because > > > consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the > > > extra care > > that > > > will be required. > > > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these > > > internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter > > > system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper > > > filter > > maintenance > > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's > > > (partial water changes)? > > > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would > > > suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might > cost. > > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > > kits for > > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > > you had > > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > > etc.... > > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > > reason for > > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's > > > not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > > long is a > > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > > goldfish and > > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult > > > sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They > > > need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank > > > unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. > > > Possibly a 20G long > > would be > > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper > > > tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized > > > tank > > (48" x > > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > > around as > > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > > other > > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > > usually the > > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > > do not > > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are > > > eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more > > > with very good > > filtration > > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > > Goldfish > > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > > time) and > > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > > meaning you > > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > > cycle > > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > > product to > > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > > died) > > > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > > tank had > > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > > plec. I > > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > > I loved > > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > > did a > > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she > > > was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > > continued > > > to thrive. > > > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > > roots of a > > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > > diagnose > > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > > fish. > > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > > want to > > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > > it. But > > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > > the 20 > > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > > sites (maybe > > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > > that if > > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > > So, how > > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > > elements > > > that may remain? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38489	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank

If the tank is well established and the bio load not too high, then the interior substrate, décor and glass should have enough bacteria to regrow the population on the new media. Also the interior surfaces of the filter itself have colonies. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Reichard Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Changing filter media in an established tank As a result of the discussion about cycling, I'm now a little confused about the filter media in an established tank. If the good bacteria on the filter media is so important, then what happens when you change the media (i.e., carbon and sponge). If the sponge doesn't look too bad, I rinse it and put it back in. But at some point, the sponge needs to be replaced. I have on occasion replaced both sponge and carbon at the same time, with no apparent ill affects. Should I let testing be my guide? That is, if the water tests are okay, don't replace the media? Shirl - In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmm... somehow I missed Shirley's reply but like Amber says, just using > water from an existing tank will do little or nothing towards getting a new > tank cycled. The nitrifying bacteria (that allow a tank to "cycle" the > ammonia and nitrites into much less toxic nitrates... the nitrogen "cycle") > live on the surface areas of the tank and overwhelmingly in the surface > areas of the filter media which is like a drive-through for them since all > of the water/food passes through the filter media several times an hour... > instead of them living on a piece of gravel or corner of the tank where they > may not get lots of food passing by.... they're not stupid bacteria. ;-) > Heck... they might just be the smartest couch-potato bacteria around... just > sit back on a piece of filter media with an open mouth and let the food go > right in. LOL > > While it is good to use existing water from a tank where the fish are > already housed, so that they will already be acclimated to those water > parameters, you will need some of the filter media and gravel to kick-start > the cycling process of a newly set up or overly-cleaned tank/fitler system. > If you use enough cycled filter media and gravel from an existing tank, then > the newly set up or cleaned tank could actually be instantly cycled... > depending on the bioload of the tank and how much nitrifying bacteria were > transferred from the cycled tank. > > Remember, when moving filter media around, if you remove too much from an > existing tank, it could cause that tank to have cycling issues so you have > to estimate the bioload of the current tank with the new tank and only > transfer a proportionate amount of the media to allow both tanks to have > only minimal cycling issues. > > If there's anything you do not understand, please follow-up with more > questions. I compare learning the nitrogen cycle to learning to ride a > bike. It takes a little while to figure out but once it clicks, then you > wonder why it was so difficult in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:50 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cleaning and re-starting a tank > > Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against > the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then > you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By > cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances are > you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died > from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you syphon > the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything heavy > duty to make the tank habitable again. > Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was the > first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. > When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get sick > easier and can die a lot faster. > > Amber > > Shirley Reichard wrote: > > > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > > really bad > > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > > are less > > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of > > > their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place > > > to > > develop the > > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species > > > as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. > > > With all > > of the > > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > > also comes > > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but > > > I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because > > > consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the > > > extra care > > that > > > will be required. > > > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these > > > internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter > > > system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper > > > filter > > maintenance > > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's > > > (partial water changes)? > > > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would > > > suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might > cost. > > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > > kits for > > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > > you had > > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > > etc.... > > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > > reason for > > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's > > > not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > > long is a > > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > > goldfish and > > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult > > > sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They > > > need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank > > > unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. > > > Possibly a 20G long > > would be > > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper > > > tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized > > > tank > > (48" x > > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > > around as > > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > > other > > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > > usually the > > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > > do not > > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are > > > eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more > > > with very good > > filtration > > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > > Goldfish > > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > > time) and > > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > > meaning you > > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > > cycle > > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > > product to > > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > > died) > > > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > > tank had > > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > > plec. I > > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > > I loved > > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > > did a > > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she > > > was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > > continued > > > to thrive. > > > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > > roots of a > > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > > diagnose > > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > > fish. > > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > > want to > > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > > it. But > > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > > the 20 > > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > > sites (maybe > > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > > that if > > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > > So, how > > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > > elements > > > that may remain? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38490	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank

I have no idea personally however I rinse mine out in the tank water so I surmise the bacteria recycles to the new filter media ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Reichard To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Changing filter media in an established tank As a result of the discussion about cycling, I'm now a little confused about the filter media in an established tank. If the good bacteria on the filter media is so important, then what happens when you change the media (i.e., carbon and sponge). If the sponge doesn't look too bad, I rinse it and put it back in. But at some point, the sponge needs to be replaced. I have on occasion replaced both sponge and carbon at the same time, with no apparent ill affects. Should I let testing be my guide? That is, if the water tests are okay, don't replace the media? Shirl - In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmm... somehow I missed Shirley's reply but like Amber says, just using > water from an existing tank will do little or nothing towards getting a new > tank cycled. The nitrifying bacteria (that allow a tank to "cycle" the > ammonia and nitrites into much less toxic nitrates... the nitrogen "cycle") > live on the surface areas of the tank and overwhelmingly in the surface > areas of the filter media which is like a drive-through for them since all > of the water/food passes through the filter media several times an hour... > instead of them living on a piece of gravel or corner of the tank where they > may not get lots of food passing by.... they're not stupid bacteria. ;-) > Heck... they might just be the smartest couch-potato bacteria around... just > sit back on a piece of filter media with an open mouth and let the food go > right in. LOL > > While it is good to use existing water from a tank where the fish are > already housed, so that they will already be acclimated to those water > parameters, you will need some of the filter media and gravel to kick-start > the cycling process of a newly set up or overly-cleaned tank/fitler system. > If you use enough cycled filter media and gravel from an existing tank, then > the newly set up or cleaned tank could actually be instantly cycled... > depending on the bioload of the tank and how much nitrifying bacteria were > transferred from the cycled tank. > > Remember, when moving filter media around, if you remove too much from an > existing tank, it could cause that tank to have cycling issues so you have > to estimate the bioload of the current tank with the new tank and only > transfer a proportionate amount of the media to allow both tanks to have > only minimal cycling issues. > > If there's anything you do not understand, please follow-up with more > questions. I compare learning the nitrogen cycle to learning to ride a > bike. It takes a little while to figure out but once it clicks, then you > wonder why it was so difficult in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:50 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cleaning and re-starting a tank > > Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against > the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then > you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By > cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances are > you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died > from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you syphon > the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything heavy > duty to make the tank habitable again. > Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was the > first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. > When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get sick > easier and can die a lot faster. > > Amber > > Shirley Reichard wrote: > > > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > > really bad > > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > > are less > > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of > > > their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place > > > to > > develop the > > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species > > > as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. > > > With all > > of the > > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > > also comes > > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but > > > I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because > > > consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the > > > extra care > > that > > > will be required. > > > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these > > > internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter > > > system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper > > > filter > > maintenance > > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's > > > (partial water changes)? > > > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would > > > suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit might > cost. > > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > > kits for > > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > > you had > > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > > etc.... > > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > > reason for > > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's > > > not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > > long is a > > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > > goldfish and > > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult > > > sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They > > > need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank > > > unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. > > > Possibly a 20G long > > would be > > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper > > > tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized > > > tank > > (48" x > > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > > around as > > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > > other > > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > > usually the > > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > > do not > > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are > > > eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more > > > with very good > > filtration > > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > > Goldfish > > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > > time) and > > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > > meaning you > > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > > cycle > > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > > product to > > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > > died) > > > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > > tank had > > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > > plec. I > > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > > I loved > > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > > did a > > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she > > > was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > > continued > > > to thrive. > > > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > > roots of a > > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > > diagnose > > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > > fish. > > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > > want to > > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > > it. But > > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > > the 20 > > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > > sites (maybe > > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > > that if > > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > > So, how > > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > > elements > > > that may remain? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38491	From: isink_1080	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?

I have 3 silver dollars in a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium along with other fish. They are the largest fish in the tank. the are about 4 inches each one. Recently i donated some aquarium supplies to a non profit organization. The gentle who came by the pick up the supplies told me that i should trade them in cause they are going to get unmanageable when they reach 8 inches . I have never heard of Silver Dollars becoming unmanageable in aquariums. I was wondering if maybe someone could let me know if this is infact true. Thanks,

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Remove the part of the filter that removes ammonia, usually a white rock like substance or possibly an impregnated pad. That is likely zeolite and it's not good to run in a tank as your good bacteria need the ammonia to complete the nitrogen cycle. That type of product is pushed on many folks by filter companies as once you start using it, your tank will not cycle properly and you then have to keep using new stuff or recharging it. It's easier to properly cycle a tank and then you really do NOT have to worry about ammonia. That's the filter companies way of trying to nickel and dime you to death... and your fishes deaths. Go to my blog and read my long article on "Proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and it will explain this in more detail and also explain that you NEVER have to throw away a filter cartridge, at least not for years and years until it's about to fall apart. It is actually better for your tanks ecology and the nitrogen cycle to properly clean the filter every week or two so that you remove the excess detritus caught by the filter but leave the good bacteria in the filter media. I fill my tanks up as far as possible as the more water to dilute the fish waste, the better. There are times when you might need to lower the water level (or raise the filter a little) to increase aeration but that does not need to be done as a general rule. Feel free to ask lots of questions here. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the water level? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38493	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

I thought I had heard about doing that. On the filters they say t change them once a month. Can I just rinse them out with the water I do the pwc's with? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:42 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Remove the part of the filter that removes ammonia, usually a white rock like substance or possibly an impregnated pad. That is likely zeolite and it's not good to run in a tank as your good bacteria need the ammonia to complete the nitrogen cycle. That type of product is pushed on many folks by filter companies as once you start using it, your tank will not cycle properly and you then have to keep using new stuff or recharging it. It's easier to properly cycle a tank and then you really do NOT have to worry about ammonia. That's the filter companies way of trying to nickel and dime you to death... and your fishes deaths. Go to my blog and read my long article on "Proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and it will explain this in more detail and also explain that you NEVER have to throw away a filter cartridge, at least not for years and years until it's about to fall apart. It is actually better for your tanks ecology and the nitrogen cycle to properly clean the filter every week or two so that you remove the excess detritus caught by the filte r but leave the good bacteria in the filter media. I fill my tanks up as far as possible as the more water to dilute the fish waste, the better. There are times when you might need to lower the water level (or raise the filter a little) to increase aeration but that does not need to be done as a general rule. Feel free to ask lots of questions here. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the water level? Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38494	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?

My understanding is that there are at least two or three species of fish that are commonly sold as "Silver Dollars". Here's a couple of profiles so you might be able to determine which species you have. I've never owned them but from all I've read, one of the species is much more peaceful than the other. They should also be kept in schools of six or more so having only three could be problematic also. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile23.html http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html (says that over 20 species are available... see the Remarks section) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of isink_1080 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult? I have 3 silver dollars in a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium along with other fish. They are the largest fish in the tank. the are about 4 inches each one. Recently i donated some aquarium supplies to a non profit organization. The gentle who came by the pick up the supplies told me that i should trade them in cause they are going to get unmanageable when they reach 8 inches . I have never heard of Silver Dollars becoming unmanageable in aquariums. I was wondering if maybe someone could let me know if this is infact true. Thanks,

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

In short, yes. Sponges can be squeezed a couple of times in removed tank water. Cartridges are a little tougher but I still do it. I'll even take the sponge and "clean" the excess detritus from the cartridge while cleaning the sponge at the same time. I have the same cartridges on all of my HOB's that came with them... most over four years ago. I also have the same sponge blocks and filter pads in my canisters from several years ago. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. I thought I had heard about doing that. On the filters they say t change them once a month. Can I just rinse them out with the water I do the pwc's with? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:42 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Remove the part of the filter that removes ammonia, usually a white rock like substance or possibly an impregnated pad. That is likely zeolite and it's not good to run in a tank as your good bacteria need the ammonia to complete the nitrogen cycle. That type of product is pushed on many folks by filter companies as once you start using it, your tank will not cycle properly and you then have to keep using new stuff or recharging it. It's easier to properly cycle a tank and then you really do NOT have to worry about ammonia. That's the filter companies way of trying to nickel and dime you to death... and your fishes deaths. Go to my blog and read my long article on "Proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" and it will explain this in more detail and also explain that you NEVER have to throw away a filter cartridge, at least not for years and years until it's about to fall apart. It is actually better for your tanks ecology and the nitrogen cycle to properly clean the filter every week or two so that you remove the excess detritus caught by the filte r but leave the good bacteria in the filter media. I fill my tanks up as far as possible as the more water to dilute the fish waste, the better. There are times when you might need to lower the water level (or raise the filter a little) to increase aeration but that does not need to be done as a general rule. Feel free to ask lots of questions here. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the water level? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38496	From: Vaibhav Chaugule	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?

Silver dollars are unmanagable only when disturbed.......or else they are peaceful fish.....   They are B-E-U-T ful fish --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 7:27 AM My understanding is that there are at least two or three species of fish that are commonly sold as "Silver Dollars". Here's a couple of profiles so you might be able to determine which species you have. I've never owned them but from all I've read, one of the species is much more peaceful than the other. They should also be kept in schools of six or more so having only three could be problematic also. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile23. html http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Metynnis_ argenteus. html (says that over 20 species are available... see the Remarks section) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of isink_1080 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:43 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult? I have 3 silver dollars in a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium along with other fish. They are the largest fish in the tank. the are about 4 inches each one. Recently i donated some aquarium supplies to a non profit organization. The gentle who came by the pick up the supplies told me that i should trade them in cause they are going to get unmanageable when they reach 8 inches . I have never heard of Silver Dollars becoming unmanageable in aquariums. I was wondering if maybe someone could let me know if this is infact true. Thanks, Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38497	From: Matthew O' Farrell	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: 800,000

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "nevenash11" <nevenash11@...> wrote: > In north dakota as strange as it may seem bussiness are closing down state wide because they don't have enough employees in the state to work > > 800,000 > > > > This bothered my thoughts after reading a newspaper in a restaurant in > GreenBelt 2. 800,000 is the number of employees that will lose their > jobs in the Philippines within the year 2009. > > > > Right now, you might be asking already, "Will I be part of this > 800,000?" If you are employed, chances are you COULD be one of the > 800,000. This is truly an era which only shows that job security is no > longer in effect. In fact, unemployment increases every month, its not > just happening in our country but also all over the world. Everyday we > will hear from the news either companies downsizing or closing down here > in Manila or in the province. Recently, our Social Security System > already announced that it would no longer grant loans to those who lost > their jobs. > > > > Most of us would bet our fortune on finding a job abroad. We are willing > to leave our family and loved ones. However, due to the global economic > depression, jobs available abroad have become limited for the MILLIONS > of Filipinos looking for jobs outside the country. To make things even > worse, the only region.. read more > <http://rhyanmiraflores.blogspot.com/> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > ------ > > > > As a gift for taking time reading this message, you can join our online > community for free > > > > http://ca2020.net/ <http://ca2020.net/> > > > > Please forward this to your friends. The first step to change is > awareness. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38498	From: Enid	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Bizarre fish/animal info

Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38499	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Pleco diet

Since I feel all Posty McPosterson today, anyone know if a common pleco (yeah, the BIG dude) will eat those bulbs they sell at the box stores? I've ben thinking of getting some but it would be an expensive pleco snack, considering he will devour an 8 inch zuccini in 24 hours. The only plants so far in the tank with him are elodea and hornworth, I would like to get more variety. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38500	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Hi Kate, Where did you get this filter from? I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they don't have it! I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. Can you give me more information on this purchase? Thanks, Bill --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't > putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even > took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to > be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to > keep the water level? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38501	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 (includes tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and nitrates out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot of the debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Kate, Where did you get this filter from? I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they don't have it! I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. Can you give me more information on this purchase? Thanks, Bill --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't > putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even > took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to > be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to > keep the water level? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`B 7.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38502	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Kate, Would you still have any of the paper work for it? I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they use. The store close to me is run by idiots and they claim they don't have or can't get the entire filter unit. But they sell all of the replacement parts and filter padsfor it! Makes a lot of sense, go figure! Any help, Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 (includes > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and nitrates > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot of the > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks,  Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't > > putting the water out, was working pretty good before > a pwc > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I > even > > took it apart and checked everything out. The new > filter is > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > removing > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a > regular > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > regular > > filters and have > it floating on one side of the new filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like > > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need to > > be changed. > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need > to > > keep the water level? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`B > 7.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38503	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Bill, Are you certain that you put your AC together properly? You are the first person I've even seen in forums that was so unhappy about their AC. Do you have the intake tube snapped in place and pushed down into the guides around the motor intake? Do you have it on full power? I've owned a full array of HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just as powerful, when comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB. If you want more power, you might have to go with a bigger HOB. Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they say? If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to dump my stock in them before they crash like the rest of the economy. LOL Just kidding. I have no financial ties to the makers of AC filter systems. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Kate, Where did you get this filter from? I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they don't have it! I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. Can you give me more information on this purchase? Thanks, Bill --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the > directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the > water level? > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Do you have driftwood in the tank yet? They actually gnaw on and eat the driftwood as part of their diet (to get bulk fiber). I'm not sure if they'll eat the bulbs though. I've never tried the bulbs since they usually don't even tell you what you are buying. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Pleco diet Since I feel all Posty McPosterson today, anyone know if a common pleco (yeah, the BIG dude) will eat those bulbs they sell at the box stores? I've ben thinking of getting some but it would be an expensive pleco snack, considering he will devour an 8 inch zuccini in 24 hours. The only plants so far in the tank with him are elodea and hornworth, I would like to get more variety. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38505	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Len, Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run down on the “whys and wherefores” of my comments. Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this filter in a 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled and clear. I took the entire original filter from this tank and put into the new 20-long I purchased. The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 until I changed the filter. This tank has remained in a cloudy condition since then. My water parameters, as you will remember, are only negligible at best, with no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5. All of its residents are doing fine. Its just that the water remains cloudy. I know, I know bacteria. But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the water by now. The filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of the carbon pack furnished, and I still have cloudy water. I did not get the extra blue pads that you and I talked about yet. But all media was well rinsed before assembly, cloudy water. As a final comment, PWC’s are done at the rate of 3 per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing wrong? I don’t mean to be nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but this filter is a long way from what you told me about. Sign me, Bill----going down for the third time! --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > Bill, > > Are you certain that you put your AC together > properly?  You are the first > person I've even seen in forums that was so unhappy about > their AC.  Do you > have the intake tube snapped in place and pushed down into > the guides around > the motor intake?  Do you have it on full power?  > I've owned a full array of > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just as > powerful, when > comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB.  If you > want more power, you > might have to go with a bigger HOB.  > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they say? > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to dump > my stock in them > before they crash like the rest of the economy. LOL  > Just kidding.  I have > no financial ties to the makers of AC filter systems. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks,  Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't putting the > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but > after the one I > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and > checked > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power > filter. has the > > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. > Has a bio filter > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on > both the regular > > filters and have it floating on one side of the new > filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like the > > directions say? I know the bio filters will not need > to be changed. > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need > to keep the > > water level? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38506	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Silver Dollars Unmanageable when adult?

It depends upon which species of Silver Dollar fish you have, and also by what is being meant as "unmanageable." There are at least 22 different species of Silver Dollars when including all species of Metynnis and even more if you include Myloplus and Mylossoma although relatively fewer are commonly found in the aquarium trade. They range from 10 cm. (4") to 23 cm. (9 1/8"), so if your 4" Silver Dollars remain at this size and prove to be one of the smaller species there's no reason to believe they will become "unmanageable" in most any sense of the word. If by being "unmanageable," it is being meant as unruly in that they are getting to a size as to be uncontrollable in their ability to eat smaller fish, it should be noted that these fish are primarily herbivors but like most other fish they are opportunists which may decide on grabbing a much smaller snack -- although this will usally only happen when deprived of their favorite foods. Note, as herbivors, one of their favorite foods is aquatic plants, the tenderer the better. The tougher-leaved plants (Anubias, etc.) usually escape their onslaught. If you have one of the largest species, three 9" fish will start to tax the 72 gallon's ability to comfortably manage these fish's life processes, depending on the other fish you're maintaining in this same tank and this tank's total bioload. They may eventually make your ability to manage these fish in your weekly maintenance of them more difficult. Most Silver Dollar species average about 5" though. Try to get the scientific name of these fish from your LFS so we may better advise you as to what to expect with them in the future. Also, let us know if you have live plants (and which ones) and which other fish you have. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "isink_1080" <isink_1080@...> wrote: > > I have 3 silver dollars in a 72 Gallon Bowfront Aquarium along with other fish. They are the largest fish in the tank. the are about 4 inches each one. Recently i donated some aquarium supplies to a non profit organization. The gentle who came by the pick up the supplies told me that i should trade them in cause they are going to get unmanageable when they reach 8 inches . I have never heard of Silver Dollars becoming unmanageable in aquariums. I was wondering if maybe someone could let me know if this is infact true. > > Thanks, >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

OK. I'm presuming you've tested your water and you have zero ammonia and nitrites. And I'm presuming the cloudy is a white cloud. If these two presumptions are correct, then it's no longer a bacterial bloom.. at least not a nitrifying bacterial bloom. There are other bacterial blooms that can happen. When you pulled the fully cycled filter off of the 29G, you disrupted the ecology of the tank. I'm hoping you at least rubbed the sponge and bio-max filter media on the old cycled filter before setting up the AC? If yes, then that should have jump started the nitrifying bacteria to get the 29G cycled quicker so you should have only seen a nitrifying bacteria bloom for a few days... not weeks. A filter system will not filter out bacteria although carbon and bio-max type media might catch some of it. Nitrifying bacteria do NOT normally live in the water column so they only hang around in the water while looking for a nice place to call home... any surface will do but the smart bacteria set up home in the filter media since that is where all of the good food ends up passing through on a regular basis. Now... back to your cloudy water. Once again, presuming it's white. Could it be micro-bubbles or is it actually particulate that you can see? If your fish are constant foragers in the gravel, like my goldfish, they will always be stirring up particulates. This is why I strongly recommended the other filter pads for the AC instead of the carbon. As you will recall, the sponge is an open cell small pore sponge so it's only designed to remove larger particulates. Carbon is only supposed to remove dissolved organics. The bio-max is only supposed to be permanent home for the nitrifying bacteria. Therefore, there is no media in your system for filtering out small un-dissolved particulates. The carbon is not needed to be running all the time which is why I strongly recommended the floss pad in its place. I'm not sure if this is your problem but it probably is the reason... that is if the cloud is particulate and not microbubbles. Try putting a piece of floss pad in place of the carbon and see if that does the trick. If it is microbubbles, these could be from your source well water, in the form of a high CO2 level. They could also be caused by a filter system causing a lot of agitation on the surface but that is less likely. Since you are doing frequent PWC's... always a good thing... this could be why you are having the constant supply of microbubbles. If you have an empty tank or clear glass container, fill it with your source water and see if you have cloudy water and if little bubbles start forming on the sides of the glass. Also try going a week between PWC's to see if the cloudiness clears up. As you've read in postings from others about their filter systems, nearly EVERY filter system comes with things that aren't needed and oftentimes come withOUT things that are needed. This is there way of selling you some extras. AC is no different. They have to compete. I don't think I've ever owned a filter system (except maybe a sponge filter) that came out the box with everything it was supposed to have as far as filter media. Most of them push stuff that has to be replaced on a regular basis, like carbon, Zeolite, etc., as a way of keeping the customer coming back with an open wallet on a regular basis. What they should put in every filter is a sponge and floss pad as a bare minimum. These are both semi-permanent fixtures that will last for years. Then if they want to throw in some bio-max type media... which is also permanent... that would be nice. If they want to throw in a carbon pack with a nice label saying to save it for when it's needed, that would also be nice. As far as the Zeolite and other crap they push on folks, well they can shove that where crap belongs.... in the toilet! What did you think I was going to say??? LOL But you know I was thinking it! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Len, Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run down on the “whys and wherefores” of my comments. Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this filter in a 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled and clear. I took the entire original filter from this tank and put into the new 20-long I purchased. The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 until I changed the filter. This tank has remained in a cloudy condition since then. My water parameters, as you will remember, are only negligible at best, with no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5. All of its residents are doing fine. Its just that the water remains cloudy. I know, I know bacteria. But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the water by now. The filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of the carbon pack furnished, and I still have cloudy water. I did not get the extra blue pads that you and I talked about yet. But all media was well rinsed before assembly, cloudy water. As a final comment, PWC’s are done at the rate of 3 per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing wrong? I don’t mean to be nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but this filter is a long way from what you told me about. Sign me, Bill----going down for the third time! --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > Bill, > > Are you certain that you put your AC together properly?  You are the > first person I've even seen in forums that was so unhappy about their > AC.  Do you have the intake tube snapped in place and pushed down into > the guides around the motor intake?  Do you have it on full power? > I've owned a full array of > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just as powerful, > when comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB.  If you want more > power, you might have to go with a bigger HOB. > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they say? > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to dump my stock in > them before they crash like the rest of the economy. LOL Just kidding.  > I have no financial ties to the makers of AC filter systems. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks,  Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't putting the > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but > after the one I > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and > checked > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power > filter. has the > > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. > Has a bio filter > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on > both the regular > > filters and have it floating on one side of the new > filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like the > > directions say? I know the bio filters will not need > to be changed. > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need > to keep the > > water level? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38508	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Hi Again Len Most of the answers to your questions are a yes. As for the filter pads? Just so we are on the same page because its been a while since we discussed them, are these the right animals? http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4231 Understandably, the carbon package would have to be removed to get this into the filter box and would be after the foam block but before the bio-material on top. You also mentioned about the U tubes before. I can only say that the filter runs quietly and the tubes seem to be in the proper place. It only makes a slight gurgling sound at start up until siphon begins and I would assume this is normal. The filter is very quiet in that respect. Perhaps the addition of extra filter pads is a necessary step, it sure would not hurt at this point. Also I should have mentioned that the water is cloudy when I first put it in. This is because it is mixed with some hot water to achieve proper temperature. But, with all due respect, this exact same process is done with the 20 long and the tank (with the old filter) clears itself in about and hour. This is what has me confounded. But then this old filter is from Aqua Tech and very easy to maintain. It uses a mounted (in a plastic frame) a course media pad and then a second pad behind it.. Very simple and very effective. Trouble is you can not buy the whole filter from Wal-Mart only the parts! Go Figure! We are in work on that one. I should also state that being new to this filter, is there a way that it could be setup wrong whereby I am actually by-passing the filter media altogether? Please don’t discount anything here Len. If something should come to mind don’t hesitate to let me know and don’t assume anything about my knowledge of this filter, I have none. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:07 AM > OK.  I'm presuming you've tested > your water and you have zero ammonia and > nitrites.  And I'm presuming the cloudy is a white > cloud.  If these two > presumptions are correct, then it's no longer a bacterial > bloom.. at least > not a nitrifying bacterial bloom.  There are other > bacterial blooms that can > happen.  When you pulled the fully cycled filter off > of the 29G, you > disrupted the ecology of the tank.  I'm hoping you at > least rubbed the > sponge and bio-max filter media on the old cycled filter > before setting up > the AC?  If yes, then that should have jump started > the nitrifying bacteria > to get the 29G cycled quicker so you should have only seen > a nitrifying > bacteria bloom for a few days... not weeks.  > > A filter system will not filter out bacteria although > carbon and bio-max > type media might catch some of it.  > > Nitrifying bacteria do NOT normally live in the water > column so they only > hang around in the water while looking for a nice place to > call home... any > surface will do but the smart bacteria set up home in the > filter media since > that is where all of the good food ends up passing through > on a regular > basis. > > Now... back to your cloudy water.  Once again, > presuming it's white.  Could > it be micro-bubbles or is it actually particulate that you > can see?  If your > fish are constant foragers in the gravel, like my goldfish, > they will always > be stirring up particulates.  This is why I strongly > recommended the other > filter pads for the AC instead of the carbon.  As you > will recall, the > sponge is an open cell small pore sponge so it's only > designed to remove > larger particulates.  Carbon is only supposed to > remove dissolved organics. > The bio-max is only supposed to be permanent home for the > nitrifying > bacteria.  Therefore, there is no media in your system > for filtering out > small un-dissolved particulates.  The carbon is not > needed to be running all > the time which is why I strongly recommended the floss pad > in its place. > I'm not sure if this is your problem but it probably is the > reason... that > is if the cloud is particulate and not microbubbles.  > Try putting a piece of > floss pad in place of the carbon and see if that does the > trick.  If it is > microbubbles, these could be from your source well water, > in the form of a > high CO2 level.  They could also be caused by a filter > system causing a lot > of agitation on the surface but that is less likely.  > Since you are doing > frequent PWC's... always a good thing... this could be why > you are having > the constant supply of microbubbles.  If you have an > empty tank or clear > glass container, fill it with your source water and see if > you have cloudy > water and if little bubbles start forming on the sides of > the glass.  Also > try going a week between PWC's to see if the cloudiness > clears up. > > As you've read in postings from others about their filter > systems, nearly > EVERY filter system comes with things that aren't needed > and oftentimes come > withOUT things that are needed.  This is there way of > selling you some > extras.  AC is no different.  They have to > compete.  I don't think I've ever > owned a filter system (except maybe a sponge filter) that > came out the box > with everything it was supposed to have as far as filter > media.  Most of > them push stuff that has to be replaced on a regular basis, > like carbon, > Zeolite, etc., as a way of keeping the customer coming back > with an open > wallet on a regular basis.  What they should put in > every filter is a sponge > and floss pad as a bare minimum.  These are both > semi-permanent fixtures > that will last for years.  Then if they want to throw > in some bio-max type > media... which is also permanent... that would be > nice.  If they want to > throw in a carbon pack with a nice label saying to save it > for when it's > needed, that would also be nice.  As far as the > Zeolite and other crap they > push on folks, well they can shove that where crap > belongs.... in the > toilet!  What did you think I was going to > say???  LOL  But you know I was > thinking it! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > Len, > > Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run > down on the “whys > and wherefores” of my comments. > > Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this > filter in a > 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled > and clear.  I took > the entire original filter from this tank and put into the > new 20-long I > purchased.  The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 > until I changed the > filter.  This tank has remained in a cloudy condition > since then. > > My water parameters, as you will remember, are only > negligible at best, with > no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5.  All of its residents > are doing fine.  Its > just that the water remains cloudy.  I know, I know > bacteria.  > > But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the > water by now.  The > filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of > the carbon pack > furnished, and I still have cloudy water.  I did not > get the extra blue pads > that you and I talked about yet.   But all > media was well rinsed before > assembly, cloudy water.  As a final comment, PWC’s > are done at the rate of 3 > per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. > > What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing > wrong?  I don’t mean to be > nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but > this filter is a > long way from what you told me about.  Sign me, > > Bill----going down for the third time! > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > > Bill, > > > > Are you certain that you put your AC together > properly?  You are the > > first person I've even seen in forums that was so > unhappy about their > > AC.  Do you have the intake tube snapped in place and > pushed down into > > the guides around the motor intake?  Do you have it > on full power? > > I've owned a full array of > > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just > as powerful, > > when comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB.  > If you want more > > power, you might have to go with a bigger HOB. > > > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they > say? > > > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to > dump my stock in > > them before they crash like the rest of the economy. > LOL Just kidding.  > > I have no financial ties to the makers of AC filter > systems. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of > it. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,  Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > > it wasn't putting the > > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but > > after the one I > > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it > apart and > > checked > > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech > power > > filter. has the > > > capability of removing excess ammonia and > nitrates. > > Has a bio filter > > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old > filter on > > both the regular > > > filters and have it floating on one side of the > new > > filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like the > > > directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need > > to be changed. > > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I > need > > to keep the > > > water level? > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38509	From: RPI	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Bill, I'm new here, so bear with me because I don't know your past threads. With that said, there are deffinitely some things people probably have said. I am also not an expert. I have had freshwater fish over 33 years, but salt fish only 3, after over 20 years of "thinking about it and doing minor research" until I got them, so I am a bit more informed than some, but an expert by no means...but I will still hope that my advice helps you out, as this is what I did when I had the same issues you are having. First of all, I'm assuming this is a salt tank, not fresh. Either way, I'll try to put 2 cents in for you for both. If the ph is 5.5 you are using RO/DI water, and that is typical. The PH falls from using it and you should buy a buffer to raise it up to over 8. (saltwater only). The HOB filter (a size 20, for a 20 gallon tank, I assume) is too small. Freshwater or Saltwater, on a 29 gallon, you should be using a 30/60 sized filter unit. They are about $35 at Wal Mart for a HOB that is by Whisper or Tetra. HOB filters are always under-rated, imho. The 20 gallon size might work on a 10 gallon tank and the 30/60 size on a 29, but definitely not on a 60...I'd use 2 on a 45. That's how little they work in the long run, and I've had a lot of use of them over the years. Brand names of HOB filters really doesn't change much of the filtration method. They all suck water in, and they all put it back out their chambers after it runs through media. Some media is better than others, and some have more gph, or tend to last longer, but what I have been using is the cheapo Wal Mart specials and they do work, although I do prefer the Penguin or Marineland brands above the rest. (The bio-wheels make a huge difference for salt tanks). Cloudiness is not necessarily from bacteria, it can be from phosphates and other things in the water, such as nutrients, caused by waste (nitrates/nitrites). In a 29 gallon aquarium, for a freshwater tank, no more than 4 fish should be in it, 6 is stretching it (one per 5 to 10 gallons) and in a salt, no more than one per ten gallons. If you have wood in the tank, it could cause of cloudy water. If you are feeding daily, it could also be an issue. Have you cut feedings back? My fish are fed every 2 days. They are only fed what they will consume in 2 minutes. There are no leftovers. Cloudy water is also a sign that something in the bio-system isn't functioning properly. Are you siphoning the sand/rock out and if so, how often? If you are doing it more than every six months, in a salt tank, it could be a major issue...live bacteria in a sandbed is a huge part of the nitrification proess and when you remove them or disturb them, it causes the tank to have issues. In freshwater tanks, siphoning sand and cleaning it is a good policy, within reason (same principal - every month is okay)if you do not have an undergravel filter. If you're using one, I simply suggest plugging one tube and then putting a siphon hose down the other so that you can siphon out the yuck without disturbing the sandbed...and you can probably do that monthly, if you can do so without moving the filter around. The carbon clears water temporarily, and the sponges filter, temporarily, but have to be changed. They say monthly, and on some tanks that is okay, but I always checked mine. If they turneded brown, they had to go...and that's for fresh or salt. For salt, I suggest just putting a sump in. It's such a better way to go, it increases water flow and amount and allows you to also keep more fish. If this is a salt tank, and you are changing water once a week (I'd never change it more than that) at 8 gallons, then I would take a teaspoon of sugar, dissolved in a cup of water. What this does, is to cause a bacterial bloom and it works much like Vodka but without the potential of bleaching corals out, like with Vodka could, and I would only do it one time, not continually, like some people suggest, and the reason for that is if you do i continually, the bacteria can overcome he problem, causing their "own" issues. Your bacteria blooms, water becomes extremely cloudy for 24 hours, you leave all filtration running and the bacteria then eats any nitrates in the water, causing it to be crystal clear when it clears. I have read a lot on sugar/vodka dosing, both positive and negative. I have used the method about ten times and my opinion on the negative is that the issues arise on continual use. I do the dose one time and then don't dose again for months, do a partial water change afterwards and things are fine. I don't agree with all the negative hype. I don't agree it causes bleaching, although the one time I did use vodka, I did get a bleached staghorn. Was it the vodka? I honestly think so, but it could have also been a H2O factor, as my water conditions were horrid that particular weekend. My other advice is water changes for salt tanks. Every 2 weeks, 5 to 10 gallons new water makes a huge difference and only takes minutes. Once you do that (I'd do it after a water change, and after a sand cleaning), your tank will probably be over whatever it was having issues with, for awhile. I hope this helps. Renee The Coral Network (TCN) http://www.TheCoralNet.com Saltwater fish care, reef enthusiasts & fish forum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. ... Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this filter in a 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled and clear...This tank has remained in a cloudy condition since then. ...I know, I know bacteria. What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing wrong? I don’t mean to be nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but this filter is a long way from what you told me about. Sign me, Bill----going down for the third time!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38510	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

store number  2338 phoone number   231-933-8800 Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallon  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Kate, Would you still have any of the paper work for it? I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they use. The store close to me is run by idiots and they claim they don't have or can't get the entire filter unit. But they sell all of the replacement parts and filter padsfor it! Makes a lot of sense, go figure! Any help, Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 (includes > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and nitrates > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot of the > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > =0 A> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks,  Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't > > putting the water out, was working pretty good before > a pwc > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I > even > > took it apart and checked everything out. The new > filter is > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > removing > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a > regular > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > regular > > filters and have > it floating on one side of the new filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like > > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need to > > be changed. > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need > to > > keep the water level?0A> > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > re plying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`B > 7.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SU BJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38511	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

store number  2338 phoone number   231-933-8800 Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallon  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Kate, Would you still have any of the paper work for it? I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they use. The store close to me is run by idiots and they claim they don't have or can't get the entire filter unit. But they sell all of the replacement parts and filter padsfor it! Makes a lot of sense, go figure! Any help, Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 (includes > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and nitrates > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot of the > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > =0 A> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks,  Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't > > putting the water out, was working pretty good before > a pwc > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I > even > > took it apart and checked everything out. The new > filter is > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > removing > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a > regular > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > regular > > filters and have > it floating on one side of the new filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like > > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need to > > be changed. > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need > to > > keep the water level?0A> > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > re plying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`B > 7.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SU BJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38512	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Thanks for your comments but not many apply. The filter, an Aqua Clear 50 is the right size, filter media not withstanding. That seems to be the problem as Len just pointed out. Gravel is cleaned at all water changes and yes this is a freshwater tank we are talking about. I’ve returned to the hobby after a 30-year lay off and I am not exactly new to it. But things and technology changes everything, if you keep up with it. So that’s really what I am doing now, trying to catch up. It’s along the lines of teaching an old dog new tricks, if you will. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, RPI <reddingpi@...> wrote: > From: RPI <reddingpi@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:18 AM > Bill, I'm new here, so bear with me > because I don't know your past threads. > With that said, there are deffinitely some things people > probably have said. > > I am also not an expert.  I have had freshwater fish > over 33 years, but salt > fish only 3, after over 20 years of "thinking about it and > doing minor > research" until I got them, so I am a bit more informed > than some, but an > expert by no means...but I will still hope that my advice > helps you out, as > this is what I did when I had the same issues you are > having. > > First of all, I'm assuming this is a salt tank, not > fresh.  Either way, I'll > try to put 2 cents in for you for both. > > If the ph is 5.5 you are using RO/DI water, and that is > typical.  The PH > falls from using it and you should buy a buffer to raise it > up to over 8. > (saltwater only). > > The HOB filter (a size 20, for a 20 gallon tank, I assume) > is too small. > Freshwater or Saltwater, on a 29 gallon, you should be > using a 30/60 sized > filter unit.  They are about $35 at Wal Mart for a HOB > that is by Whisper or > Tetra.  HOB filters are always under-rated, > imho.  The 20 gallon size might > work on a 10 gallon tank and the 30/60 size on a 29, but > definitely not on a > 60...I'd use 2 on a 45.  That's how little they work > in the long run, and > I've had a lot of use of them over the years. > > Brand names of HOB filters really doesn't change much of > the filtration > method.  They all suck water in, and they all put it > back out their chambers > after it runs through media.  Some media is better > than others, and some > have more gph, or tend to last longer, but what I have been > using is the > cheapo Wal Mart specials and they do work, although I do > prefer the Penguin > or Marineland brands above the rest. (The bio-wheels make a > huge difference > for salt tanks). > > Cloudiness is not necessarily from bacteria, it can be from > phosphates and > other things in the water, such as nutrients, caused by > waste > (nitrates/nitrites).  In a 29 gallon aquarium, for a > freshwater tank, no > more than 4 fish should be in it, 6 is stretching it (one > per 5 to 10 > gallons) and in a salt, no more than one per ten gallons. > > If you have wood in the tank, it could cause of cloudy > water. > > If you are feeding daily, it could also be an issue.  > Have you cut feedings > back?  My fish are fed every 2 days. They are only fed > what they will > consume in 2 minutes.  There are no leftovers. > > Cloudy water is also a sign that something in the > bio-system isn't > functioning properly.  Are you siphoning the sand/rock > out and if so, how > often?  If you are doing it more than every six > months, in a salt tank, it > could be a major issue...live bacteria in a sandbed is a > huge part of the > nitrification proess and when you remove them or disturb > them, it causes the > tank to have issues.  In freshwater tanks, siphoning > sand and cleaning it is > a good policy, within reason (same principal - every month > is okay)if you do > not have an undergravel filter.  If you're using one, > I simply suggest > plugging one tube and then putting a siphon hose down the > other so that you > can siphon out the yuck without disturbing the > sandbed...and you can > probably do that monthly, if you can do so without moving > the filter around. > > The carbon clears water temporarily, and the sponges > filter, temporarily, > but have to be changed.  They say monthly, and on some > tanks that is okay, > but I always checked mine.  If they turneded brown, > they had to go...and > that's for fresh or salt. > > For salt, I suggest just putting a sump in.  It's such > a better way to go, > it increases water flow and amount and allows you to also > keep more fish. > > If this is a salt tank, and you are changing water once a > week (I'd never > change it more than that) at 8 gallons, then I would take a > teaspoon of > sugar, dissolved in a cup of water.  What this does, > is to cause a bacterial > bloom and it works much like Vodka but without the > potential of bleaching > corals out, like with Vodka could, and I would only do it > one time, not > continually, like some people suggest, and the reason for > that is if you do > i continually, the bacteria can overcome he problem, > causing their "own" > issues. > > Your bacteria blooms, water becomes extremely cloudy for 24 > hours, you leave > all filtration running and the bacteria then eats any > nitrates in the water, > causing it to be crystal clear when it clears. > > I have read a lot on sugar/vodka dosing, both positive and > negative.  I have > used the method about ten times and my opinion on the > negative is that the > issues arise on continual use.  I do the dose one time > and then don't dose > again for months, do a partial water change afterwards and > things are fine. > I don't agree with all the negative hype.  I don't > agree it causes > bleaching, although the one time I did use vodka, I did get > a bleached > staghorn.  Was it the vodka?  I honestly think > so, but it could have also > been a H2O factor, as my water conditions were horrid that > particular > weekend. > > My other advice is water changes for salt tanks.  > Every 2 weeks, 5 to 10 > gallons new water makes a huge difference and only takes > minutes. > > Once you do that (I'd do it after a water change, and after > a sand > cleaning), your tank will probably be over whatever it was > having issues > with, for awhile. > > I hope this helps. > > Renee > The Coral Network (TCN) > http://www.TheCoralNet.com > Saltwater fish care, reef enthusiasts & fish forum. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:24 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > ... > Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this > filter in a > 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled > and clear...This > tank has remained in a cloudy condition since then. > > ...I know, I know bacteria. > > What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing > wrong?  I don’t mean to be > nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but > this filter is a > long way from what you told me about.  Sign me, > > Bill----going down for the third time! > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38513	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Appreciate the information but not the store number but rather the item number that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me that from your sales slip then I could order one from here. Without it I am lost. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > store numberﾂ� 2338 > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they > use.  The store close > to me is run by idiots and they claim they don't have or > can't get the entire > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > parts and filter padsfor it!  > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > Any help, > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > (includes > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and > nitrates > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot > of the > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > =0 > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of > it. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the motor running > but > > it wasn't > > > putting the water out, was working pretty good > before > > a pwc > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. > I > > even > > > took it apart and checked everything out. The > new > > filter is > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > > removing > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and > a > > regular > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > > regular > > > filters and have > >  it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like > > > the directions say? I know the bio filters will > not > > need to > > > be changed. > > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I > need > > to > > > keep the water level?0A> > > > > > > >ﾂ� > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.><((((ﾃつｺ>.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ><((((ﾃつｺ> > > > > ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. > , > > > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..><((((ﾃつｺ> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that > > is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC > > of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> > > i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > <ﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. > > > , > > > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ﾃつ� ﾃつ� mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾂ� ﾂ� ﾂ� > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > re > plying, Thank You. > > > ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.><((((ﾃつｺ>.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ><((((ﾃつｺ> > > ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`B > > 7.ﾃつｸ. , > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..><((((ﾃつｺ> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <ﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. > > , > > > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..ﾂｸﾂｸ.><((((ﾂｺ>.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ><((((ﾂｺ> > > ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. , > .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..><((((ﾂｺ> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SU > BJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <ﾂｺ((((><.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. > > , > .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > ﾂ� ﾂ� mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..ﾂｸﾂｸ.><((((ﾂｺ>.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ><((((ﾂｺ> > ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. , > .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..><((((ﾂｺ> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <ﾂｺ((((><.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｸ.ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸ. > , > .ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ..<ﾂｺ((((><ﾂｷﾂｴﾂｯ`ﾂｷ.ﾂｸﾂｸ. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > :AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.><((((ｺ>..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ><((((ｺ> > ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. , > .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..><((((ｺ> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <ｺ((((><.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ<ｺ((((><ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. > , .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..<ｺ((((><ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38514	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

k I can get that for you later on today as I am on my way out. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Appreciate the information but not the store number but rather the item number that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me that from your sales slip then I could order one from here. Without it I am lost. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > store numberﾂ� 2338 > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they > use.  The store close > to me is run by idiots a nd they claim they don't have or > can't get the entire > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > parts and filter padsfor it!  > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > Any help, > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > (includes > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and > nitrates > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot > of the > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > =0 > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of > i t. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the motor running > but > > it wasn't > > > putting the water out, was working pretty good > before > > a pwc > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. > I > > even > > > took it apart and checked everything out. The > new > > filter is > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > > removing > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and > a > > regular > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > > regular > > > filters and have > >  it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38515	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Changing filter media in an established tank

The bio wheel if you have one is a great help at a time like that. With or without a wheel I would say that you should cut part of the old media up and place it in the filter with the new. Then in a week or two, during a filter swishing / cleaning, just throw the old part out. In this way you will get new bacteria on the new filter part much faster. I have not had the need yet, but when I do that is what I plan on doing. Also I would test the water to be sure that ammonia and nitrites stay at 0 for a while. On 3/29/09, Shirley Reichard <shrlycat@...> wrote: > > As a result of the discussion about cycling, I'm now a little confused > about the filter media in an established tank. If the good bacteria on the > filter media is so important, then what happens when you change the media > (i.e., carbon and sponge). If the sponge doesn't look too bad, I rinse it > and put it back in. But at some point, the sponge needs to be replaced. I > have on occasion replaced both sponge and carbon at the same time, with no > apparent ill affects. Should I let testing be my guide? That is, if the > water tests are okay, don't replace the media? > > Shirl > > - In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny > V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Hmmm... somehow I missed Shirley's reply but like Amber says, just using > > water from an existing tank will do little or nothing towards getting a > new > > tank cycled. The nitrifying bacteria (that allow a tank to "cycle" the > > ammonia and nitrites into much less toxic nitrates... the nitrogen > "cycle") > > live on the surface areas of the tank and overwhelmingly in the surface > > areas of the filter media which is like a drive-through for them since > all > > of the water/food passes through the filter media several times an > hour... > > instead of them living on a piece of gravel or corner of the tank where > they > > may not get lots of food passing by.... they're not stupid bacteria. ;-) > > Heck... they might just be the smartest couch-potato bacteria around... > just > > sit back on a piece of filter media with an open mouth and let the food > go > > right in. LOL > > > > While it is good to use existing water from a tank where the fish are > > already housed, so that they will already be acclimated to those water > > parameters, you will need some of the filter media and gravel to > kick-start > > the cycling process of a newly set up or overly-cleaned tank/fitler > system. > > If you use enough cycled filter media and gravel from an existing tank, > then > > the newly set up or cleaned tank could actually be instantly cycled... > > depending on the bioload of the tank and how much nitrifying bacteria > were > > transferred from the cycled tank. > > > > Remember, when moving filter media around, if you remove too much from an > > existing tank, it could cause that tank to have cycling issues so you > have > > to estimate the bioload of the current tank with the new tank and only > > transfer a proportionate amount of the media to allow both tanks to have > > only minimal cycling issues. > > > > If there's anything you do not understand, please follow-up with more > > questions. I compare learning the nitrogen cycle to learning to ride a > > bike. It takes a little while to figure out but once it clicks, then you > > wonder why it was so difficult in the first place. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:50 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Cleaning and re-starting a tank > > > > Unless you use gravel and rub your filter media from the new tank against > > the filter media from the old tank to get some good bacteria on it then > > you're going to have a lot longer of a cycle than just a few days. By > > cleaning the tank you will kill all the good bacteria in it and chances > are > > you don't need to be that thorough as the fish probably got sick and died > > from something that's not going to kill any new fish as long as you > syphon > > the gravel really good and add fresh water, it shouldn't take anything > heavy > > duty to make the tank habitable again. > > Chances are the bioload was too much for both fish and the goldfish was > the > > first to die as pleco's tend to be hardier. > > When a tank is overstocked it's stressful on the fish, hence they get > sick > > easier and can die a lot faster. > > > > Amber > > > > Shirley Reichard wrote: > > > > > > I had already siphoned off most of the water from the 20 gal. I see > > > what you mean about starting from scratch and cycling, but my thought > > > was to clean the 20 gal.(without toxic cleaners), then fill the > > > cleaned 20-gal.tank half-way with water from the smaller platy tank > > > plus new water,let it cycle for a few days, then add the platies, > > > plec, and cats from the smaller tank. Wouldn't water from the smaller > > > tank be sufficient to raise bacterial levels, etc.,in the 20 gal., as > > > well as be less stressful on the fish? > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>, > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How long has the tank been set up? > > > > > > > > Both plecos and goldfish are usually very hardy and can tolerate > > > really bad > > > > water conditions and somehow live but fancy (round-bodied) goldfish > > > are less > > > > hardy and are more prone to many more health problems because of > > > > their messed up genetics from all of the inbreeding that took place > > > > to > > > develop the > > > > fancy features found on some of them. While the same exact species > > > > as a common goldfish, they do not enjoy the health and vitality. > > > > With all > > > of the > > > > external genetic defects (oops.. meant fancy features ;-)), there > > > also comes > > > > many internal genetic defects. Yes, I have fancy goldfish myself but > > > > I still tell the truth about them. They are here to stay because > > > > consumers keep buying them but consumers should also know about the > > > > extra care > > > that > > > > will be required. > > > > > > > > Your goldfish could simply have been the victim of one of these > > > > internal defects but give us more history on the tank, your filter > > > > system, your maintenance schedule, etc. How often did you do proper > > > > filter > > > maintenance > > > > and vacuum your gravel? How much and how often did you do PWC's > > > > (partial water changes)? > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a water test kit? If you don't, I would > > > > suggest spending the $20.00 a year that a decent master test kit > might > > cost. > > > > Walmart.com has both the API and Tetratest-Laborette master test > > > kits for > > > > under $20.00... usually with free shipping to your local store. If > > > you had > > > > a test kit, give us the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, > > > etc.... > > > > any test results that you may have as those may well explain the > > > reason for > > > > your fish loss. While a mold on a plant is not a good thing, it's > > > > not necessarily a reason for a fish loss. > > > > > > > > Your next potential major problem is your tank size. While a 20G > > > long is a > > > > decent sized tank that will offer you many stocking options... > > > goldfish and > > > > common plecos are not on the list of suitable fish. A single adult > > > > sized goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. They > > > > need high levels of O2 and will quickly foul the water of a 20G tank > > > > unless one is doing almost daily PWC's and tank maintenance. > > > > Possibly a 20G long > > > would be > > > > OK for just a single fancy goldfish, once again, as long as proper > > > > tank maintenance is kept up. A 55G tank is about the minimum sized > > > > tank > > > (48" x > > > > 12") that I would recommend so at least the fish have room to swim > > > around as > > > > they grow and you could then keep two fancy goldfish. They do OK by > > > > themselves but they are social fish and seem to like the company of > > > other > > > > goldfish. Common Plecos (a few species are called "Common") are > > > usually the > > > > most "common" found in many pet stores but what many of the stores > > > do not > > > > tell folks is these fish grow to 18" to 24" long and are > > > > eating/pooping machines. They need at least 75G per fish or more > > > > with very good > > > filtration > > > > and frequent tank/filter maintenance to remove all of their poop. > > > Goldfish > > > > are also eating/pooping machines. > > > > > > > > If you decide to breakdown (which I would NOT recommend at this > > > time) and > > > > clean the tank entirely, you will be starting over from scratch, > > > meaning you > > > > will have to cycle the tank again through the 6-8 week long nitrogen > > > cycle > > > > process... or you can buy Dr. Tim's One And Only live bacteria > > > product to > > > > instantly cycle the newly set up tank. > > > > > > > > So much more but I'll wait for your answers. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > > > Behalf Of Shirley Reichard > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to clean a tank that had a sick fish (who > > > died) > > > > > > > > What should I do to make this 20 gal. long okay for new fish? The > > > tank had > > > > a beautiful, calico iridescent veiltail goldfish in it, with a small > > > plec. I > > > > watched the goldie closely, mainly because she was so beautiful and > > > I loved > > > > watching her. Then one day, she was lying on her side; immediately I > > > did a > > > > water change, then added maracyn two and some salt. Next morning she > > > > was dead. I was heartbroken. The plec showed no signs of illness and > > > continued > > > > to thrive. > > > > > > > > The only clue I could find was some cottony kind of stuff on the > > > roots of a > > > > live sword plant. A fungus, maybe? Anyway, this is not to try to > > > diagnose > > > > what happened, but what I need to do to make this tank okay for new > > > fish. > > > > I've moved the plec to a smaller tank with platies and cory cats. I > > > want to > > > > clean the 20 gal. long, then put the platies, plec, and cory cats in > > > it. But > > > > with the death of the goldie, I don't want to do that until I clean > > > the 20 > > > > gal. to be rid of whatever killed the goldie. I've read on some > > > sites (maybe > > > > here?) that you can use bleach, but I hesitate to do that -- I know > > > that if > > > > any soap or bleach residue remains, it could be fatal to the fish. > > > So, how > > > > best to clean this tank so as to remove any harmful bacteria/viral > > > elements > > > > that may remain? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38516	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Any help is most welcome, Thanks, Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I am on my way > out. > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store number but > rather the item number > that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me > that from your sales > slip then I could order one from here.  Without it I > am lost. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > >  store numberﾂ� 2338 > > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that > they > > use.  The store close > > to me is run by idiots a > nd they claim they don't have or > > can't get the entire > > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > > parts and filter padsfor it!  > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > Any help, > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > > (includes > > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia > and > > nitrates > > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a > lot > > of the > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > > today. > > > =0 > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a > 29-Gallon > > "Kit". > > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank > and > > they > > > don't have it! > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much > of > > i > t. > > > Can you give me more information on this > purchase? > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the > motor running > > but > > > it wasn't > > > > putting the water out, was working pretty > good > > before > > > a pwc > > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at > all.. > > I > > > even > > > > took it apart and checked everything out. > The > > new > > > filter is > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of > > > removing > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio > filter and > > a > > > regular > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both > the > > > regular > > > > filters and have > > >  it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > > every > > > month like > > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38517	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

I don't have any problems with my AC filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it as the only filter on my tank though too, so perhaps that has something to do with it. Perhaps you happened to get a defective filter somehow? You already tested that it is moving your water in your tank, I think you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could there be a dead fish or dead plant that is fouling the tank up? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Any help is most welcome, > > Thanks, > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I am on my way > > out. > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store number but > > rather the item number > > that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me > > that from your sales > > slip then I could order one from here. Without it I > > am lost. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > > > store numberﾂ� 2338 > > > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that > > they > > > use. The store close > > > to me is run by idiots a > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > can't get the entire > > > filter unit. But they sell all of the replacement > > > parts and filter padsfor it! > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > > > (includes > > > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia > > and > > > nitrates > > > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a > > lot > > > of the > > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > > today. > > > > =0 > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a > > 29-Gallon > > > "Kit". > > > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank > > and > > > they > > > > don't have it! > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much > > of > > > i > > t. > > > > Can you give me more information on this > > purchase? > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > > filter > > > > today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the > > motor running > > > but > > > > it wasn't > > > > > putting the water out, was working pretty > > good > > > before > > > > a pwc > > > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at > > all.. > > > I > > > > even > > > > > took it apart and checked everything out. > > The > > > new > > > > filter is > > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > > capability of > > > > removing > > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio > > filter and > > > a > > > > regular > > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both > > the > > > > regular > > > > > filters and have > > > > it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > > > every > > > > month like > > > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38518	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Hi Amber,   No dead fish just cloudy conditions.  Fish are fine as are water parameters.  Sometime ago Len and I talked about this filter and how it is used.  Len does not use the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for additional filter pad media and I think this is where I messed up.  I am going to have to get some and try it his way.  It is defiantly something I am doing wrong here and not the filter itself.  I don't think I have to charged right or as Len does his anyway.  So many people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me!   Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > I don't have any problems with my AC > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it as the > only filter on > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something to do > with it. Perhaps > you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > You already tested that it is moving your water in your > tank, I think > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could there be a > dead fish or > dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I am > on my way > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store > number but > > > rather the item number > > > that they are using in the store for ID. If you > can get me > > > that from your sales > > > slip then I could order one from here.  > Without it I > > > am lost. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > > > > >  store > numberﾂ� 2338 > > > > phoone > numberﾂ�ﾂ� > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > gallonﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new filter > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work > for it? > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item > number that > > > they > > > > use.  The store close > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > can't get the entire > > > > filter unit.  But they sell all of > the replacement > > > > parts and filter padsfor it! > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It > cost about 37.50 > > > > (includes > > > > > tax). I just left the part that removes > ammonia > > > and > > > > nitrates > > > > > out of the filter. and already it has > picked up a > > > lot > > > > of the > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > =0 > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with > a > > > 29-Gallon > > > > "Kit". > > > > > I tried to buy the same filter for > another tank > > > and > > > > they > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't > think much > > > of > > > > i > > > t. > > > > > Can you give me more information on > this > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old > one I could feel the > > > motor running > > > > but > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > putting the water out, was working > pretty > > > good > > > > before > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > but after the one I did it > wouldn't work at > > > all.. > > > > I > > > > > even > > > > > > took it apart and checked > everything out. > > > The > > > > new > > > > > filter is > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has > the > > > capability of > > > > > removing > > > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a > bio > > > filter and > > > > a > > > > > regular > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old > filter on both > > > the > > > > > regular > > > > > > filters and have > > > > >  it floating on one side of > the new filter. > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to change > the filters > > > > every > > > > > month like > > > > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38519	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Yes, that's the stuff that I use in ALL of my filter systems. I buy the 12" x 36" uncut package so I can cut the pads to size, as needed. I see DFS has it on sale for only $3.99 and that package will last a lifetime for most folks... and I don't mean a fishes lifetime. ;-) The blue side faces the dirtiest water as it is a coarser media and catches the bigger stuff, then the white side filters the smaller stuff that makes it through the blue side. To clean, just dunk it in some removed tank water, squeeze and swoosh until it's dripping clear and then replace back in the filter system. This keeps the majority of the nitrifying bacteria alive on the filter media and removes the majority of the detritus and waste from the tank's ecology/water column. For canister filters, there is an even tighter bound filter pad that provides micro filtration but this will not work in HOB's as the water will just flow over or bypass the media. In a good canister filter, there is NO bypass so the water would have to be micro filtered. Note that many canisters do have bypass areas so it's important to know your filter system. Next time you do filter maintenance on the AC, make sure you review your owners manual again to make sure you are putting the filter media and the holder back in properly. Even if put in properly, if the filter media gets clogged, an AC will also allow the water to bypass the filter media which is why it's important to do at least weekly filter maintenance. I'll repeat my other online friend, also named Bill from the Ponds-Koi Yahoo Group, about his remarks on a filter system... "HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing its job and working to get the junk out of the water. Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take organics out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really aren't a problem.) If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water in solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean the organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every third day....... Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? Why not the fishes' also. :-) Bill" On a side note from your other reply about the Aqua Tech filter at Walmart... here's Walmart.com's page on filters and heaters which has these filters listed. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=202100 Here's the Aqua Tech 20-40 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10313137 the 10-20 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10291976 and the 5-15 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10313136 That should give you the info you need to arm yourself properly when cornering the store managers. ;-) Give 'em HELL Bill!!!! BUT... I don't think you need a new filter system.. just the $3.99 pads and making sure you have your AC set up properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Again Len Most of the answers to your questions are a yes. As for the filter pads? Just so we are on the same page because its been a while since we discussed them, are these the right animals? http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4231 Understandably, the carbon package would have to be removed to get this into the filter box and would be after the foam block but before the bio-material on top. You also mentioned about the U tubes before. I can only say that the filter runs quietly and the tubes seem to be in the proper place. It only makes a slight gurgling sound at start up until siphon begins and I would assume this is normal. The filter is very quiet in that respect. Perhaps the addition of extra filter pads is a necessary step, it sure would not hurt at this point. Also I should have mentioned that the water is cloudy when I first put it in. This is because it is mixed with some hot water to achieve proper temperature. But, with all due respect, this exact same process is done with the 20 long and the tank (with the old filter) clears itself in about and hour. This is what has me confounded. But then this old filter is from Aqua Tech and very easy to maintain. It uses a mounted (in a plastic frame) a course media pad and then a second pad behind it.. Very simple and very effective. Trouble is you can not buy the whole filter from Wal-Mart only the parts! Go Figure! We are in work on that one. I should also state that being new to this filter, is there a way that it could be setup wrong whereby I am actually by-passing the filter media altogether? Please don’t discount anything here Len. If something should come to mind don’t hesitate to let me know and don’t assume anything about my knowledge of this filter, I have none. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:07 AM OK.  I'm presuming you've > tested your water and you have zero ammonia and nitrites.  And I'm > presuming the cloudy is a white cloud.  If these two presumptions are > correct, then it's no longer a bacterial bloom.. at least not a > nitrifying bacterial bloom.  There are other bacterial blooms that can > happen.  When you pulled the fully cycled filter off of the 29G, you > disrupted the ecology of the tank.  I'm hoping you at least rubbed the > sponge and bio-max filter media on the old cycled filter before > setting up the AC?  If yes, then that should have jump started the > nitrifying bacteria to get the 29G cycled quicker so you should have > only seen a nitrifying bacteria bloom for a few days... not weeks. > > A filter system will not filter out bacteria although carbon and > bio-max type media might catch some of it. > > Nitrifying bacteria do NOT normally live in the water column so they > only hang around in the water while looking for a nice place to call > home... any surface will do but the smart bacteria set up home in the > filter media since that is where all of the good food ends up passing > through on a regular basis. > > Now... back to your cloudy water.  Once again, presuming it's white.  > Could it be micro-bubbles or is it actually particulate that you can > see?  If your fish are constant foragers in the gravel, like my > goldfish, they will always be stirring up particulates.  This is why I > strongly recommended the other filter pads for the AC instead of the > carbon.  As you will recall, the sponge is an open cell small pore > sponge so it's only designed to remove larger particulates.  Carbon is > only supposed to remove dissolved organics. > The bio-max is only supposed to be permanent home for the nitrifying > bacteria.  Therefore, there is no media in your system for filtering > out small un-dissolved particulates.  The carbon is not needed to be > running all the time which is why I strongly recommended the floss pad > in its place. > I'm not sure if this is your problem but it probably is the reason... > that is if the cloud is particulate and not microbubbles. > Try putting a piece of > floss pad in place of the carbon and see if that does the trick.  If > it is microbubbles, these could be from your source well water, in the > form of a high CO2 level.  They could also be caused by a filter > system causing a lot of agitation on the surface but that is less > likely. > Since you are doing > frequent PWC's... always a good thing... this could be why you are > having the constant supply of microbubbles.  If you have an empty tank > or clear glass container, fill it with your source water and see if > you have cloudy water and if little bubbles start forming on the sides > of the glass.  Also try going a week between PWC's to see if the > cloudiness clears up. > > As you've read in postings from others about their filter systems, > nearly EVERY filter system comes with things that aren't needed and > oftentimes come withOUT things that are needed.  This is there way of > selling you some extras.  AC is no different.  They have to compete.  > I don't think I've ever owned a filter system (except maybe a sponge > filter) that came out the box with everything it was supposed to have > as far as filter media.  Most of them push stuff that has to be > replaced on a regular basis, like carbon, Zeolite, etc., as a way of > keeping the customer coming back with an open wallet on a regular > basis.  What they should put in every filter is a sponge and floss pad > as a bare minimum.  These are both semi-permanent fixtures that will > last for years.  Then if they want to throw in some bio-max type > media... which is also permanent... that would be nice.  If they want > to throw in a carbon pack with a nice label saying to save it for when > it's needed, that would also be nice.  As far as the Zeolite and other > crap they push on folks, well they can shove that where crap > belongs.... in the toilet!  What did you think I was going to say???  > LOL  But you know I was thinking it! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > Len, > > Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run > down on the “whys > and wherefores” of my comments. > > Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this > filter in a > 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled > and clear.  I took > the entire original filter from this tank and put into the > new 20-long I > purchased.  The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 > until I changed the > filter.  This tank has remained in a cloudy condition > since then. > > My water parameters, as you will remember, are only > negligible at best, with > no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5.  All of its residents > are doing fine.  Its > just that the water remains cloudy.  I know, I know > bacteria.  > > But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the > water by now.  The > filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of > the carbon pack > furnished, and I still have cloudy water.  I did not > get the extra blue pads > that you and I talked about yet.   But all > media was well rinsed before > assembly, cloudy water.  As a final comment, PWC’s > are done at the rate of 3 > per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. > > What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing > wrong?  I don’t mean to be > nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but > this filter is a > long way from what you told me about.  Sign me, > > Bill----going down for the third time! > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > > Bill, > > > > Are you certain that you put your AC together > properly?  You are the > > first person I've even seen in forums that was so > unhappy about their > > AC.  Do you have the intake tube snapped in place and > pushed down into > > the guides around the motor intake?  Do you have it > on full power? > > I've owned a full array of > > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just > as powerful, > > when comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB.  > If you want more > > power, you might have to go with a bigger HOB. > > > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they > say? > > > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to > dump my stock in > > them before they crash like the rest of the economy. > LOL Just kidding.  > > I have no financial ties to the makers of AC filter > systems. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of > it. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,  Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > > it wasn't putting the > > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but > > after the one I > > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it > apart and > > checked > > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech > power > > filter. has the > > > capability of removing excess ammonia and > nitrates. > > Has a bio filter > > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old > filter on > > both the regular > > > filters and have it floating on one side of the > new > > filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like the > > > directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need > > to be changed. > > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I > need > > to keep the > > > water level? > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Bill... stop it please. Never admit that you are wrong to a woman. Blame it on the filter. Blame it on bad directions. Blame it on a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... but NEVER admit you were wrong. You could now be the blame for single-handedly bringing on the downfall of mankind. Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted with your email and he'll have to admit when he might have been... ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Amber, No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine as are water parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked about this filter and how it is used. Len does not use the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for additional filter pad media and I think this is where I messed up. I am going to have to get some and try it his way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong here and not the filter itself. I don't think I have to charged right or as Len does his anyway. So many people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > I don't have any problems with my AC > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it as the only filter on > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something to do with it. > Perhaps you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > You already tested that it is moving your water in your tank, I think > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could there be a dead fish > or dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I am > on my way > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store > number but > > > rather the item number > > > that they are using in the store for ID. If you > can get me > > > that from your sales > > > slip then I could order one from here. > Without it I > > > am lost. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > store > numberﾂ� 2338 > > > > phoone > numberﾂ�ﾂ� > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > gallonﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new filter > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work > for it? > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item > number that > > > they > > > > use. The store close > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > can't get the entire > > > > filter unit. But they sell all of > the replacement > > > > parts and filter padsfor it! > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > I got it from Wal-mart. It > cost about 37.50 > > > > (includes > > > > > tax). I just left the part that removes > ammonia > > > and > > > > nitrates > > > > > out of the filter. and already it has > picked up a > > > lot > > > > of the > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > =0 > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with > a > > > 29-Gallon > > > > "Kit". > > > > > I tried to buy the same filter for > another tank > > > and > > > > they > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't > think much > > > of > > > > i > > > t. > > > > > Can you give me more information on > this > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old > one I could feel the > > > motor running > > > > but > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > putting the water out, was working > pretty > > > good > > > > before > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > but after the one I did it > wouldn't work at > > > all.. > > > > I > > > > > even > > > > > > took it apart and checked > everything out. > > > The > > > > new > > > > > filter is > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has > the > > > capability of > > > > > removing > > > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a > bio > > > filter and > > > > a > > > > > regular > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old > filter on both > > > the > > > > > regular > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > it floating on one side of > the new filter. > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to change > the filters > > > > every > > > > > month like > > > > > > the directions say? I know the bio > filters > > > will > > > > not > > > > > need to > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > Also How far from the bottom of > the out flow > > > do I > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > keep the water level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38521	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Thanks a million!    Yes, nix for now on a new filter.  If you caught what I said to Amber earlier.  This many people can't be wrong, it must be me!   New pads remove carbon, next!   ONWARD!   Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:03 PM Yes, that's the stuff that I use in ALL of my filter systems.  I buy the 12" x 36" uncut package so I can cut the pads to size, as needed.  I see DFS has it on sale for only $3.99 and that package will last a lifetime for most folks... and I don't mean a fishes lifetime. ;-) The blue side faces the dirtiest water as it is a coarser media and catches the bigger stuff, then the white side filters the smaller stuff that makes it through the blue side.  To clean, just dunk it in some removed tank water, squeeze and swoosh until it's dripping clear and then replace back in the filter system.  This keeps the majority of the nitrifying bacteria alive on the filter media and removes the majority of the detritus and waste from the tank's ecology/water column.  For canister filters, there is an even tighter bound filter pad that provides micro filtration but this will not work in HOB's as the water will just flow over or bypass the media.  In a good canister filter, there is NO bypass so the water would have to be micro filtered.  Note that many canisters do have bypass areas so it's important to know your filter system. Next time you do filter maintenance on the AC, make sure you review your owners manual again to make sure you are putting the filter media and the holder back in properly.  Even if put in properly, if the filter media gets clogged, an AC will also allow the water to bypass the filter media which is why it's important to do at least weekly filter maintenance. I'll repeat my other online friend, also named Bill from the Ponds-Koi Yahoo Group, about his remarks on a filter system... "HAVING TO CLEAN A FILTER CAN BE GOOD. First of all, if a filter does not collect junk and clog, it isn't doing its job and working to get the junk out of the water. Since IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY, the filter is supposed to take organics out of the water to IMPROVE water quality. (Inorganics = rocks = really aren't a problem.) If a filter catches organics and the filter is not clogged (yet) but also not cleaned - then the organics can dissolve and go back into the water in solution = LOWERING THE WATER QUALITY. SO, the object of a good pond keeper is to IMPROVE water quality = clean the organics from ANY filter BEFORE they dissolve = every other day, every third day....... Sorry for bringing reality into your lives.... I know everyone wants a filter that doesn't EVER need to be cleaned. Imagine that the filter catches poop. So it is the fishes' toilet. How often do you clean (flush) your toilet? Why? Why not the fishes' also. :-) Bill" On a side note from your other reply about the Aqua Tech filter at Walmart... here's Walmart.com's page on filters and heaters which has these filters listed. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=202100 Here's the Aqua Tech 20-40 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10313137 the 10-20 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10291976 and the 5-15 - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10313136 That should give you the info you need to arm yourself properly when cornering the store managers. ;-)  Give 'em HELL Bill!!!! BUT... I don't think you need a new filter system.. just the $3.99 pads and making sure you have your AC set up properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Again Len Most of the answers to your questions are a yes.  As for the filter pads? Just so we are on the same page because its been a while since we discussed them, are these the right animals? http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4231 Understandably, the carbon package would have to be removed to get this into the filter box and would be after the foam block but before the bio-material on top.  You also mentioned about the U tubes before.  I can only say that the filter runs quietly and the tubes seem to be in the proper place.  It only makes a slight gurgling sound at start up until siphon begins and I would assume this is normal.  The filter is very quiet in that respect..  Perhaps the addition of extra filter pads is a necessary step, it sure would not hurt at this point.  Also I should have mentioned that the water is cloudy when I first put it in.  This is because it is mixed with some hot water to achieve proper temperature.   But, with all due respect, this exact same process is done with the 20 long and the tank (with the old filter) clears itself in about and hour.  This is what has me confounded.  But then this old filter is from Aqua Tech and very easy to maintain.  It uses a mounted (in a plastic frame) a course media pad and then a second pad behind it..  Very simple and very effective.  Trouble is you can not buy the whole filter from Wal-Mart only the parts!  Go Figure!  We are in work on that one. I should also state that being new to this filter, is there a way that it could be setup wrong whereby I am actually by-passing the filter media altogether?  Please don’t discount anything here Len.  If something should come to mind don’t hesitate to let me know and don’t assume anything about my knowledge of this filter, I have none. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:07 AM OK.  I'm presuming you've > tested your water and you have zero ammonia and nitrites.  And I'm > presuming the cloudy is a white cloud.  If these two presumptions are > correct, then it's no longer a bacterial bloom.. at least not a > nitrifying bacterial bloom.  There are other bacterial blooms that can > happen.  When you pulled the fully cycled filter off of the 29G, you > disrupted the ecology of the tank.  I'm hoping you at least rubbed the > sponge and bio-max filter media on the old cycled filter before > setting up the AC?  If yes, then that should have jump started the > nitrifying bacteria to get the 29G cycled quicker so you should have > only seen a nitrifying bacteria bloom for a few days... not weeks. > > A filter system will not filter out bacteria although carbon and > bio-max type media might catch some of it. > > Nitrifying bacteria do NOT normally live in the water column so they > only hang around in the water while looking for a nice place to call > home... any surface will do but the smart bacteria set up home in the > filter media since that is where all of the good food ends up passing > through on a regular basis. > > Now... back to your cloudy water.  Once again, presuming it's white.  > Could it be micro-bubbles or is it actually particulate that you can > see?  If your fish are constant foragers in the gravel, like my > goldfish, they will always be stirring up particulates.  This is why I > strongly recommended the other filter pads for the AC instead of the > carbon.  As you will recall, the sponge is an open cell small pore > sponge so it's only designed to remove larger particulates.  Carbon is > only supposed to remove dissolved organics. > The bio-max is only supposed to be permanent home for the nitrifying > bacteria.  Therefore, there is no media in your system for filtering > out small un-dissolved particulates.  The carbon is not needed to be > running all the time which is why I strongly recommended the floss pad > in its place. > I'm not sure if this is your problem but it probably is the reason... > that is if the cloud is particulate and not microbubbles. > Try putting a piece of > floss pad in place of the carbon and see if that does the trick.  If > it is microbubbles, these could be from your source well water, in the > form of a high CO2 level.  They could also be caused by a filter > system causing a lot of agitation on the surface but that is less > likely. > Since you are doing > frequent PWC's... always a good thing... this could be why you are > having the constant supply of microbubbles.  If you have an empty tank > or clear glass container, fill it with your source water and see if > you have cloudy water and if little bubbles start forming on the sides > of the glass.  Also try going a week between PWC's to see if the > cloudiness clears up. > > As you've read in postings from others about their filter systems, > nearly EVERY filter system comes with things that aren't needed and > oftentimes come withOUT things that are needed.  This is there way of > selling you some extras.  AC is no different.  They have to compete.  > I don't think I've ever owned a filter system (except maybe a sponge > filter) that came out the box with everything it was supposed to have > as far as filter media.  Most of them push stuff that has to be > replaced on a regular basis, like carbon, Zeolite, etc., as a way of > keeping the customer coming back with an open wallet on a regular > basis.  What they should put in every filter is a sponge and floss pad > as a bare minimum.  These are both semi-permanent fixtures that will > last for years.  Then if they want to throw in some bio-max type > media... which is also permanent... that would be nice.  If they want > to throw in a carbon pack with a nice label saying to save it for when > it's needed, that would also be nice.  As far as the Zeolite and other > crap they push on folks, well they can shove that where crap > belongs.... in the toilet!  What did you think I was going to say???  > LOL  But you know I was thinking it! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > Len, > > Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run > down on the “whys > and wherefores” of my comments. > > Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this > filter in a > 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled > and clear.  I took > the entire original filter from this tank and put into the > new 20-long I > purchased.  The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 > until I changed the > filter.  This tank has remained in a cloudy condition > since then. > > My water parameters, as you will remember, are only > negligible at best, with > no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5.  All of its residents > are doing fine.  Its > just that the water remains cloudy.  I know, I know > bacteria.  > > But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the > water by now.  The > filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of > the carbon pack > furnished, and I still have cloudy water.  I did not > get the extra blue pads > that you and I talked about yet.   But all > media was well rinsed before > assembly, cloudy water.  As a final comment, PWC’s > are done at the rate of 3 > per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. > > What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing > wrong?  I don’t mean to be > nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but > this filter is a > long way from what you told me about.  Sign me, > > Bill----going down for the third time! > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > > Bill, > > > > Are you certain that you put your AC together > properly?  You are the > > first person I've even seen in forums that was so > unhappy about their > > AC.  Do you have the intake tube snapped in place and > pushed down into > > the guides around the motor intake?  Do you have it > on full power? > > I've owned a full array of > > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just > as powerful, > > when comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB.  > If you want more > > power, you might have to go with a bigger HOB. > > > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they > say? > > > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to > dump my stock in > > them before they crash like the rest of the economy. > LOL Just kidding.  > > I have no financial ties to the makers of AC filter > systems. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of > it. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,  Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >  The old one I could feel the motor running but > > it wasn't putting the > > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but > > after the one I > > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it > apart and > > checked > > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech > power > > filter. has the > > > capability of removing excess ammonia and > nitrates. > > Has a bio filter > > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old > filter on > > both the regular > > > filters and have it floating on one side of the > new > > filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like the > > > directions say? I know the bio filters will not > need > > to be changed. > > > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I > need > > to keep the > > > water level? > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >       ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38522	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Sorry! Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible repercussions! I broke my own rule! Its always better for people to just think your stupid than it is to open your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! darn, not my day! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:12 PM > Bill... stop it please.  Never > admit that you are wrong to a woman.  Blame it on the > filter.  Blame it on bad directions.  Blame it on > a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... but NEVER > admit you were wrong.  You could now be the blame for > single-handedly bringing on the downfall of mankind.  > Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted with your > email and he'll have to admit when he might have been... > ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > Hi Amber, > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions.  Fish are fine as > are water parameters.  Sometime ago Len and I talked > about this filter and how it is used.  Len does not use > the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for > additional filter pad media and I think this is where I > messed up.  I am going to have to get some and try it > his way.  It is defiantly something I am doing wrong > here and not the filter itself.  I don't think I have > to charged right or as Len does his anyway.  So many > people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me! > > Bill > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > > I don't have any problems with my AC > > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it as > the only filter on > > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something to > do with it. > > Perhaps you happened to get a defective filter > somehow? > > You already tested that it is moving your water in > your tank, I think > > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could there > be a dead fish > > or dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new > > filter today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I > am > > on my way > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > new > > filter > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the > store > > number but > > > > rather the item number > > > > that they are using in the store for ID. If > you > > can get me > > > > that from your sales > > > > slip then I could order one from here. > > Without it I > > > > am lost. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a > > new filter > > > > today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > >  store > > > numberﾂ� > 2338 > > > > > phoone > > > numberﾂ�ﾂ� > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > gallonﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a > > new filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the paper > work > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or > item > > number that > > > > they > > > > > use.  The store close > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > filter unit.  But they > sell all of > > the replacement > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > it! > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get > > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 > AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  I got it from > Wal-mart. It > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > (includes > > > > > > tax). I just left the part that > removes > > ammonia > > > > and > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > out of the filter. and already it > has > > picked up a > > > > lot > > > > > of the > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance to > vacuum > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get > > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > =0 > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > from? > > > > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart > with > > a > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > I tried to buy the same filter > for > > another tank > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and > don't > > think much > > > > of > > > > > i > > > > t. > > > > > > Can you give me more information > on > > this > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to > get > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, > 5:46 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� > The old > > one I could feel the > > > > motor running > > > > > but > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > putting the water out, was > working > > pretty > > > > good > > > > > before > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > but after the one I did it > > wouldn't work at > > > > all.. > > > > > I > > > > > > even > > > > > > > took it apart and checked > > everything out. > > > > The > > > > > new > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. > has > > the > > > > capability of > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. > Has a > > bio > > > > filter and > > > > > a > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed the > old > > filter on both > > > > the > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > >  it floating on > one side of > > the new filter. > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > change > > the filters > > > > > every > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > the directions say? I know > the bio > > filters > > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > Also How far from the bottom > of > > the out flow > > > > do I > > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > keep the water level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38523	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Is this a second admission? And an apology, no less??? I may be falling in love, lol! I need to have a talk with my hubby and show him that, yes, he CAN admit it when he goofs! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> Sorry! Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible repercussions! I broke my own rule! Its always better for people to just think your stupid than it is to open your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! darn, not my day! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Bill... stop it please. Never > admit that you are wrong to a woman. Blame it on the > filter. Blame it on bad directions. Blame it on > a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... but NEVER > admit you were wrong. You could now be the blame for > single-handedly bringing on the downfall of mankind. > Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted with your > email and he'll have to admit when he might have been... > ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Hi Amber, > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine as > are water parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked > about this filter and how it is used. Len does not use > the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for > additional filter pad media and I think this is where I > messed up. I am going to have to get some and try it > his way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong > here and not the filter itself. I don't think I have > to charged right or as Len does his anyway. So many > people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me! > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38524	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Bill! Dye your hair, change your name and move to another state. I think the guy may come looking for you! :o) On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > Is this a second admission? And an apology, no less??? I may be > falling in love, lol! I need to > have a talk with my hubby and show him that, yes, he CAN admit it when he > goofs! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > Sorry! > > Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible repercussions! > > I broke my own rule! > > Its always better for people to just think your stupid than it is to open > your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! > > darn, not my day! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >> Bill... stop it please. Never >> admit that you are wrong to a woman. Blame it on the >> filter. Blame it on bad directions. Blame it on >> a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... but NEVER >> admit you were wrong. You could now be the blame for >> single-handedly bringing on the downfall of mankind. >> Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted with your >> email and he'll have to admit when he might have been... >> ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Hi Amber, >> >> No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine as >> are water parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked >> about this filter and how it is used. Len does not use >> the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for >> additional filter pad media and I think this is where I >> messed up. I am going to have to get some and try it >> his way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong >> here and not the filter itself. I don't think I have >> to charged right or as Len does his anyway. So many >> people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me! >> >> Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38525	From: bill1433	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Harl, That's been tried before. Besides, at my size, hiding is useless! To be honest with everyone, I think its just easier on the nerves. Certainly, a lower stress factor comes into play! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:31 PM > Bill!  Dye your hair, change > your name and move to another state.  I > think the guy may come looking for you!  :o) > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Menagerie_Manager > <menagerie_manager@...> > wrote: > > Is this a second admission? And an apology, no less??? > I may be > > falling in love, lol! I need to > > have a talk with my hubby and show him that, yes, he > CAN admit it when he > > goofs! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > > Sorry! > > > > Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible > repercussions! > > > > I broke my own rule! > > > > Its always better for people to just think your stupid > than it is to open > > your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! > > > > darn, not my day! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > >> Bill... stop it please. Never > >> admit that you are wrong to a woman. Blame it on > the > >> filter. Blame it on bad directions. Blame it on > >> a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... > but NEVER > >> admit you were wrong. You could now be the blame > for > >> single-handedly bringing on the downfall of > mankind. > >> Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted > with your > >> email and he'll have to admit when he might have > been... > >> ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > >> On Behalf Of bill1433 > >> Hi Amber, > >> > >> No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine > as > >> are water parameters. Sometime ago Len and I > talked > >> about this filter and how it is used. Len does not > use > >> the carbon packets at all but rather uses the > extra room for > >> additional filter pad media and I think this is > where I > >> messed up. I am going to have to get some and try > it > >> his way. It is defiantly something I am doing > wrong > >> here and not the filter itself. I don't think I > have > >> to charged right or as Len does his anyway. So > many > >> people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to > be me! > >> > >> Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38526	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

In a message dated 3/30/2009 9:04:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Do you have driftwood in the tank yet? They actually gnaw on and eat the driftwood as part of their diet (to get bulk fiber). I'm not sure if they'll eat the bulbs though. I've never tried the bulbs since they usually don't even tell you what you are buying. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://Gold_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) Oh yea. He's got Two large pieces of driftwood that he works over daily, plus the algae wafers, the Omega Gold ( I think that's the name) sinking pellets and the weekly zucchini, nah, he is not spoiled. My understanding is that some of the bulbs are apogeton (sp?) and some are some sort of lily. Just don't want to buy him expensive snacks. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38527	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

No need to worry. He's just your usual Teddy Bear of a retired Army former Special Forces sniper with bipolar disorder. hehe As long as he takes his meds, you're safe. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Bill! Dye your hair, change your name and move to another state. I think the guy may come looking for you! :o) On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > Is this a second admission? And an apology, no less??? I may be > falling in love, lol! I need to > have a talk with my hubby and show him that, yes, he CAN admit it when he > goofs! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > Sorry! > > Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible repercussions! > > I broke my own rule! > > Its always better for people to just think your stupid than it is to open > your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! > > darn, not my day! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >> Bill... stop it please. Never >> admit that you are wrong to a woman. Blame it on the >> filter. Blame it on bad directions. Blame it on >> a broken GPS unit and that's why you got lost... but NEVER >> admit you were wrong. You could now be the blame for >> single-handedly bringing on the downfall of mankind. >> Now, Amber's husband is going to be confronted with your >> email and he'll have to admit when he might have been... >> ummmm.. I can't say that word. LOL >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Hi Amber, >> >> No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine as >> are water parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked >> about this filter and how it is used. Len does not use >> the carbon packets at all but rather uses the extra room for >> additional filter pad media and I think this is where I >> messed up. I am going to have to get some and try it >> his way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong >> here and not the filter itself. I don't think I have >> to charged right or as Len does his anyway. So many >> people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has to be me! >> >> Bill > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38528	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

In a message dated 3/30/2009 3:40:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, warrenprint@... writes: Sorry! Again, my fault. I did not think of the possible repercussions! I broke my own rule! Its always better for people to just think your stupid than it is to open your mouth and prove it to them! Another no, no! darn, not my day! Bill And from now on he shall be known as AlwaysWrong Bill Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38529	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Gwydryn@... writes: Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? Enid What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38530	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gwydryn@...> In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Gwydryn@... writes: Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? Enid What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38531	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

TE#17 TR# 06063 aqua filter 004743190036   Is this what you need there is a tch number Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Appreciate the information but not the store number but rather the item number that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me that from your sales slip then I could order one from here. Without it I am lost. Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > store numberﾂ� 2338 > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that they > use.  The store close > to me is20run by idiots and they claim they don't have or > can't get the entire > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > parts and filter padsfor it!  > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > Any help, > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > (includes > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia and > nitrates > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a lot > of the > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > =0 > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon > "Kit". > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and > they > > don't have it! > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't th ink much of > it. > > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the motor running > but > > it wasn't > > > putting the water out, was working pretty good > before > > a pwc > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. > I > > even > > > took it apart and checked everything out. The > new > > filter is > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of > > removing > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and > a > > regular > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the > > regular > > > filters and have > >  it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > every > > month like > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38532	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

Since you now realize that this is baloney (I've never even heard it told as an old wive's tale), why do you still insist on not eating Catfish? You're depriving yourself of a good food unnecessarily. I guess I don't need to tell you, only mammals have estrous (menstrual) cycles, and of them, only placental mammals. The marsupials (kangaroos, etc.) do not have menstrual cycles, nor of course do the egg-laying mammals (platypus, etc.). I find it incredulous that anyone would believe fish would and can't fathom how something like that could have gotten started. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > Gwydryn@... writes: > > Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish > (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did > mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself > to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was > wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify > with the group? > > Enid > > > > What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? > Enid > > "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are > when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38533	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

In a message dated 3/30/2009 6:36:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sevenspringss@... writes: Since you now realize that this is baloney (I've never even heard it told as an old wive's tale), why do you still insist on not eating Catfish? You're depriving yourself of a good food unnecessarily. I guess I don't need to tell you, only mammals have estrous (menstrual) cycles, and of them, only placental mammals. The marsupials (kangaroos, etc.) do not have menstrual cycles, nor of course do the egg-laying mammals (platypus, etc.). I find it incredulous that anyone would believe fish would and can't fathom how something like that could have gotten started easy; have you studied biology? Male cats have backward facing barbs in the penis and that is why female cats scream when they withdraw (ouch!). Female hyenas have such a high testosterone level that their clits look like penises.....lots of weird stuff in nature. Sometimes the facts are weirder than the fantasy, so to speak. oh, I rather eat salt water fish anyway, love shark steak even if they have been dining on tourists (does that make me a second hand cannibal?) Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38534	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

You could keep guppies, zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc. All do well with the cooler water requirements of goldfish and they are fast enough to stay away from the fancy goldfish. Now, if you had regular long-bodied goldfish, yes, all of the minnow type fish could become snacks. Guppies would give a constant supply of fresh meat for the fish but you could also end up with a LOT of guppies causing added water quality issues if the tank isn't large enough. If you went with only male guppies, then you wouldn't have the breeding issues and male guppies are prettier anyhow. The other two are not livebearers so they would be less likely to be breeding in the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bizarre fish/animal info This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gwydryn@...> In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Gwydryn@... writes: Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? Enid What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38535	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Sometimes you have to fool with those filters to get them to start working - several times If they aren't seated right or the filter compartment isn't full of water, it may not work. Also you need to take the impeller out of the tube and make that hair and whatever isn't keeping it from turning. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to be changed. Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to keep the water level? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38536	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

I tried another model before I got one I liked. The Marineland/ Penguin widely gets good reviews. I think that the advantage of the aqua clear is places to put different filter media, but I added a prefilter and those plastic bacteria habitat balls anyway. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Hi Kate, Where did you get this filter from? I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they don't have it! I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. Can you give me more information on this purchase? Thanks, Bill --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > The old one I could feel the motor running but it wasn't > putting the water out, was working pretty good before a pwc > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at all.. I even > took it apart and checked everything out. The new filter is > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the capability of removing > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio filter and a regular > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both the regular > filters and have it floating on one side of the new filter. > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every month like > the directions say? I know the bio filters will not need to > be changed. > Also How far from the bottom of the out flow do I need to > keep the water level? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38537	From: Dora Smith	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

Too many fish or too much food, would be my guess. I carefully keep 23 small fish in a 20 gallon tank, and if I changed the water as infrequently as the people on these lists say to, the fish would be dead. Try cleaning the gravel and changing up to 20% of the water every day for awhile; 30% once or twice a week. And be careful about leftover food sitting around. In fact I usually clean after I feed. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:24 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Len, Sorry, let me give you and everyone else the complete run down on the “whys and wherefores” of my comments. Over a month ago, we are in our 5th week now, I set this filter in a 29-gallon tank that was full established and well cycled and clear. I took the entire original filter from this tank and put into the new 20-long I purchased. The 20 is crystal clear, as was the 29 until I changed the filter. This tank has remained in a cloudy condition since then. My water parameters, as you will remember, are only negligible at best, with no ammonia and a pH of only 5.5. All of its residents are doing fine. Its just that the water remains cloudy. I know, I know bacteria. But at this time I feel that this filter should clear the water by now. The filter setup was done as per instructions with the use of the carbon pack furnished, and I still have cloudy water. I did not get the extra blue pads that you and I talked about yet. But all media was well rinsed before assembly, cloudy water. As a final comment, PWC’s are done at the rate of 3 per week, 8 gallons each time for this tank. What in the name of Holy Power Filters am I doing wrong? I don’t mean to be nasty and I know you folks would not give bad advise but this filter is a long way from what you told me about. Sign me, Bill----going down for the third time! --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:59 AM > Bill, > > Are you certain that you put your AC together > properly? You are the first > person I've even seen in forums that was so unhappy about > their AC. Do you > have the intake tube snapped in place and pushed down into > the guides around > the motor intake? Do you have it on full power? > I've owned a full array of > HOB's from various manufacturers and the AC's are just as > powerful, when > comparing apples to apples, as any other HOB. If you > want more power, you > might have to go with a bigger HOB. > > Have you tried emailing Aqua Clear to see what they say? > > If you keep talking bad about them, I'm gonna have to dump > my stock in them > before they crash like the rest of the economy. LOL > Just kidding. I have > no financial ties to the makers of AC filter systems. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > Hi Kate, > > Where did you get this filter from? > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a 29-Gallon "Kit". > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank and they > don't have it! > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't think much of it. > Can you give me more information on this purchase? > > Thanks, Bill > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > The old one I could feel the motor running but > it wasn't putting the > > water out, was working pretty good before a pwc but > after the one I > > did it wouldn't work at all.. I even took it apart and > checked > > everything out. The new filter is an Aqua Tech power > filter. has the > > capability of removing excess ammonia and nitrates. > Has a bio filter > > and a regular filter. I have rubbed the old filter on > both the regular > > filters and have it floating on one side of the new > filter. > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters every > month like the > > directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38538	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Junk in emails

WOW... I replied to an email from this group a little earlier and I had to highlight and delete ALL of the below junk (below my sig) before sending. There were 14 pages of junk after the last post in the thread. There were still a ton of carrots, > > > > >, in front of each line in some of the older replies in the thread. I know many email programs use the carrot > as a default highlighter in front of the original email, when replying, but you can change that to have nothing in front of the original text that you might be replying to. The email will still have a header (To and From section) and a signature to show it was a previous reply so the carrot > is not needed and makes threads easier to read. As far as all of the fancy A's, etc., I think this is junk left over from an HTML email that was converted to plain text... which is why I also only use plain text for 99.9% of my emails. Just my thoughts about junk... but not wanting to change anything as far as leaving threads intact. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38539	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: about something that is a bit odd to me

All my fry are still very active and swimming normally. I recently put all but one of my fry (guppy) in my 30 gallon tank. All but 2 have adjusted real good. The 2 that may not have? well went from ones with strait tails to ones where they have bent one almost straight up and down the other slightly bent. Not sure what caused it but they too are swimming normal and eating well. Any ideas? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38540	From: William	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

I agree that zebra danios and white clouds will do alright in the cooler water that the goldfish need but guppies should have warmer water to stay unstressed. What most people do not think about is that there are many fish native to the United States that make good aquarium fish. Just remember that if you are going to collect your own, obey the laws and do not collect any more than you can comfortably keep alive. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You could keep guppies, zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc. > All do well with the cooler water requirements of goldfish and they are fast > enough to stay away from the fancy goldfish. Now, if you had regular > long-bodied goldfish, yes, all of the minnow type fish could become snacks. > Guppies would give a constant supply of fresh meat for the fish but you > could also end up with a LOT of guppies causing added water quality issues > if the tank isn't large enough. If you went with only male guppies, then > you wouldn't have the breeding issues and male guppies are prettier anyhow. > The other two are not livebearers so they would be less likely to be > breeding in the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:20 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bizarre fish/animal info > > This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of a fish > can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? > Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. > Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we were > thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend just told us > to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Gwydryn@...> > > In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > Gwydryn@... writes: > > Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish > (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and > she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring > myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives > tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to > share/verify with the group? > > Enid > > > > What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? > Enid >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38541	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani

Actually, guppies do well in a very wide range of water temps from mid 60's into the low 80's. Many folks think of them only as tropical's as they are mostly sold that way but here are three reputable profiles that show they do well in much cooler waters. Further, since a fancy goldfish should not be exposed to the kinds of temperature extremes that outdoor pond goldfish (long-bodied) varieties can tolerate, guppies do fine with fancy goldfish. http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3228 (says 18 – 28°C) http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html [says 64-84°F (18-29°C)] http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/guppy.htm [says 18-27°C (64-81°F)] They also prefer harder water and higher pH's which is also good for goldfish. As far as native fish, I recommend checking out http://www.NANFA.org (North American Native Fishes Assn.) for good direction on collection of native species in N. America. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Bizarre fish/animal info I agree that zebra danios and white clouds will do alright in the cooler water that the goldfish need but guppies should have warmer water to stay unstressed. What most people do not think about is that there are many fish native to the United States that make good aquarium fish. Just remember that if you are going to collect your own, obey the laws and do not collect any more than you can comfortably keep alive. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You could keep guppies, zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc. > All do well with the cooler water requirements of goldfish and they > are fast enough to stay away from the fancy goldfish. Now, if you had > regular long-bodied goldfish, yes, all of the minnow type fish could become snacks. > Guppies would give a constant supply of fresh meat for the fish but > you could also end up with a LOT of guppies causing added water > quality issues if the tank isn't large enough. If you went with only > male guppies, then you wouldn't have the breeding issues and male guppies are prettier anyhow. > The other two are not livebearers so they would be less likely to be > breeding in the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:20 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bizarre fish/animal info > > This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of > a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? > Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. > Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we > were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend > just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Gwydryn@...> > > In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > Gwydryn@... writes: > > Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat > catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for > "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this > date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was > just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre > animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? > > Enid > > > > What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? > Enid >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38542	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bizarre fish/animal info

Knowing me, if I collect my own, I'll wind up with a school of smelt or salmon and my goldfish will mysteriously vanish. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> I agree that zebra danios and white clouds will do alright in the cooler water that the goldfish need but guppies should have warmer water to stay unstressed. What most people do not think about is that there are many fish native to the United States that make good aquarium fish. Just remember that if you are going to collect your own, obey the laws and do not collect any more than you can comfortably keep alive.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38543	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani

My tap water has zero KH and 143 GH (API test kits). I've been having to add baking soda, per instructions on the GAB website, to keep the pH from crashing between PWCs. If and when we do get something else, we've pretty much whittled the list down to White Clouds and the Danios that do better in cool water. Come summer, how warm can the house get, before I need to start floating ice for the fancy goldfish? I'm seeing different temps on different websites. Can they handle 80F or should I set the A/C lower? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Actually, guppies do well in a very wide range of water temps from mid 60's into the low 80's. Many folks think of them only as tropical's as they are mostly sold that way but here are three reputable profiles that show they do well in much cooler waters. Further, since a fancy goldfish should not be exposed to the kinds of temperature extremes that outdoor pond goldfish (long-bodied) varieties can tolerate, guppies do fine with fancy goldfish. http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3228 (says 18 - 28°C) http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html [says 64-84°F (18-29°C)] http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/guppy.htm [says 18-27°C (64-81°F)] They also prefer harder water and higher pH's which is also good for goldfish. As far as native fish, I recommend checking out http://www.NANFA.org (North American Native Fishes Assn.) for good direction on collection of native species in N. America. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: William I agree that zebra danios and white clouds will do alright in the cooler water that the goldfish need but guppies should have warmer water to stay unstressed. What most people do not think about is that there are many fish native to the United States that make good aquarium fish. Just remember that if you are going to collect your own, obey the laws and do not collect any more than you can comfortably keep alive. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You could keep guppies, zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc. > All do well with the cooler water requirements of goldfish and they > are fast enough to stay away from the fancy goldfish. Now, if you had > regular long-bodied goldfish, yes, all of the minnow type fish could become snacks. > Guppies would give a constant supply of fresh meat for the fish but > you could also end up with a LOT of guppies causing added water > quality issues if the tank isn't large enough. If you went with only > male guppies, then you wouldn't have the breeding issues and male guppies are prettier anyhow. > The other two are not livebearers so they would be less likely to be > breeding in the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of > a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? > Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. > Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we > were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend > just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38544	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: about something that is a bit odd to me

injured in the transfer? On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:20 PM, <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > > All my fry are still very active and swimming normally. I recently put all > but one of my fry (guppy) in my 30 gallon tank. All but 2 have adjusted real > good. The 2 that may not have? well went from ones with strait tails to ones > where they have bent one almost straight up and down the other slightly > bent. Not sure what caused it but they too are swimming normal and eating > well. Any ideas? > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/ani

They can handle 80F but lower would be better. I keep my home or room around 73-74F year round... sometimes even 72F if working around the house. This keeps the tank at no more than 75F which is as high as I would go for long term. Of course, there were times like in the weeks after Katrina where the house temp (and tank) was in the high 80's and there was nothing I could do back then (now I have a generator and window A/C unit). All the fish made it but while they survived... it's not the best temp for them to thrive. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Now about Fancy Goldfish and co-habitants (was: Bizarre fish/animal info) My tap water has zero KH and 143 GH (API test kits). I've been having to add baking soda, per instructions on the GAB website, to keep the pH from crashing between PWCs. If and when we do get something else, we've pretty much whittled the list down to White Clouds and the Danios that do better in cool water. Come summer, how warm can the house get, before I need to start floating ice for the fancy goldfish? I'm seeing different temps on different websites. Can they handle 80F or should I set the A/C lower? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Actually, guppies do well in a very wide range of water temps from mid 60's into the low 80's. Many folks think of them only as tropical's as they are mostly sold that way but here are three reputable profiles that show they do well in much cooler waters. Further, since a fancy goldfish should not be exposed to the kinds of temperature extremes that outdoor pond goldfish (long-bodied) varieties can tolerate, guppies do fine with fancy goldfish. http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3228 (says 18 - 28°C) http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Poecilia_reticulata.html [says 64-84°F (18-29°C)] http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/guppy.htm [says 18-27°C (64-81°F)] They also prefer harder water and higher pH's which is also good for goldfish. As far as native fish, I recommend checking out http://www.NANFA.org (North American Native Fishes Assn.) for good direction on collection of native species in N. America. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: William I agree that zebra danios and white clouds will do alright in the cooler water that the goldfish need but guppies should have warmer water to stay unstressed. What most people do not think about is that there are many fish native to the United States that make good aquarium fish. Just remember that if you are going to collect your own, obey the laws and do not collect any more than you can comfortably keep alive. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > You could keep guppies, zebra danios, white cloud mountain minnows, etc. > All do well with the cooler water requirements of goldfish and they > are fast enough to stay away from the fancy goldfish. Now, if you had > regular long-bodied goldfish, yes, all of the minnow type fish could become snacks. > Guppies would give a constant supply of fresh meat for the fish but > you could also end up with a LOT of guppies causing added water > quality issues if the tank isn't large enough. If you went with only > male guppies, then you wouldn't have the breeding issues and male > guppies are prettier anyhow. > The other two are not livebearers so they would be less likely to be > breeding in the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of > a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? > Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. > Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we > were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend > just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38546	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: White

I did a quick google search and found them alone in a hexagonal tank. See the link below and scroll down - they are about halfway down the page, thanks! Dani in ND http://www.fishlore.com/YourTanks_Page5.htm --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bizarre fish/animal info To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 6:19 PM This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gwydryn@aol. com> In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:05:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Gwydryn@aol. com writes: Some years ago a person told me that it's not a good idea to eat catfish (channel cats) in the summertime as this is their time for "period", and she did mean menstrual period. I was so shocked to this date I cannot bring myself to eat catfish. Of course, the story was just that, an old wives tale. I was wondering, anyone else has bizarre animal stories they want to share/verify with the group? Enid What? Am I the only one who has heard weird stories? Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122043 9616x1201372437/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38547	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

You got it! Thanks so much. Now I can go up there and tell them to put that in their computer and see what comes up! Thanks again for all your help it is appreciated! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:29 PM > > TE#17 > TR# 06063 > aqua filter 004743190036 >   > Is this what you need there is a tch number > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store number but > rather the item number > that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me > that from your sales > slip then I could order one from here.  Without it I > am lost. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > >  store numberﾂ� 2338 > > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that > they > > use.  The store close > > to me is20run by idiots and they claim they don't have > or > > can't get the entire > > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > > parts and filter padsfor it!  > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > Any help, > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > > (includes > > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia > and > > nitrates > > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a > lot > > of the > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > > today. > > > =0 > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a > 29-Gallon > > "Kit". > > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank > and > > they > > > don't have it! > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't th > ink much of > > it. > > > Can you give me more information on this > purchase? > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the > motor running > > but > > > it wasn't > > > > putting the water out, was working pretty > good > > before > > > a pwc > > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at > all.. > > I > > > even > > > > took it apart and checked everything out. > The > > new > > > filter is > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of > > > removing > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38548	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: about something that is a bit odd to me

That is what I am thinking. They are active swimming normally still So they are staying in tank Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:56 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about something that is a bit odd to me injured in the transfer? On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:20 PM, <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > > All my fry are still very active and swimming normally. I recently put all > but one of my fry (guppy) in my 30 gallon tank. All but 2 have adjusted real > good. The 2 that may not have? well went from ones with strait tails to ones > where they have bent one almost straight up and down the other slightly > bent. Not sure what caused it but they too are swimming normal and eating > well. Any ideas? > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º(((( ><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38549	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

My pleasure. I am glad I was able to help you.  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 9:21 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. You got it! Thanks so much. Now I can go up there and tell them to put that in their computer and see what comes up! Thanks again for all your help it is appreciated! Bill --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:29 PM > > TE#17 > TR# 06063 > aqua filter 004743190036 >   > Is this what you need there is a tch number > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store number but > rather the item number > that they are using in the store for ID. If you can get me > that from your sales > slip then I could order one from here.  Without it I > am lost. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman4968 61@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <toddswoman496861@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > >  store numberﾂ� 2338 > > phoone numberﾂ�ﾂ� 231-933-8800 > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 gallonﾂ� > > > > > >  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work for it? > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item number that > they > > use.  The store close > > to me is20run by idiots and they claim they don't have > or > > can't get the entire > > filter unit.  But they sell all of the replacement > > parts and filter padsfor it!  > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > Any help, > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > >  I got it from Wal-mart. It cost about 37.50 > > (includes > > > tax). I just left the part that removes ammonia > and > > nitrates > > > out of the filter. and already it has picked up a > lot > > of the > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum up yet. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter > > > today. > > > =0 > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with a > 29-Gallon > > "Kit". > > > I tried to buy the same filter for another tank > and > > they > > > don't have it! > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't th > ink much of > > it. > > > Can you give me more information on this > purchase? > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� Bi ll > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <toddswoman496861@...> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 PM > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old one I could feel the > motor running > > but > > > it wasn't > > > > putting the water out, was working pretty > good > > before > > > a pwc > > > > but after the one I did it wouldn't work at > all.. > > I > > > even > > > > took it apart and checked everything out. > The > > new > > > filter is > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has the > capability of > > > removing > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a bio > filter and > > a > > > regular > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old filter on both > the > > > regular > > > > filters and have > > >  it floating on one side of the new filter. > > > > I do wonder do I need to change the filters > > every > > > month like > > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38550	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today.

I use the carbon in my filter, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. You sure there's not something dead in there? ;) When I had a really cloudy tank it turned out that I had a dead fish hiding in it that was fouling up the water. I can't see how using more filter pads in it would make it un-cloud the water any better. How about getting a 2nd filter and putting it on the other end of the tank? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are fine as are water > parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked about this filter and how it > is used. Len does not use the carbon packets at all but rather uses > the extra room for additional filter pad media and I think this is > where I messed up. I am going to have to get some and try it his > way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong here and not the > filter itself. I don't think I have to charged right or as Len does > his anyway. So many people cannot be wrong about one filter, it has > to be me! > > Bill > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > > I don't have any problems with my AC > > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it as the > > only filter on > > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something to do > > with it. Perhaps > > you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > > You already tested that it is moving your water in your > > tank, I think > > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could there be a > > dead fish or > > dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today as I am > > on my way > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the store > > number but > > > > rather the item number > > > > that they are using in the store for ID. If you > > can get me > > > > that from your sales > > > > slip then I could order one from here. > > Without it I > > > > am lost. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > > new filter > > > > today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > store > > numberﾂ� 2338 > > > > > phoone > > numberﾂ�ﾂ� > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > gallonﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a > > new filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the paper work > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store or item > > number that > > > > they > > > > > use. The store close > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > filter unit. But they sell all of > > the replacement > > > > > parts and filter padsfor it! > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > I got it from Wal-mart. It > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > (includes > > > > > > tax). I just left the part that removes > > ammonia > > > > and > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > out of the filter. and already it has > > picked up a > > > > lot > > > > > of the > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance to vacuum > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > =0 > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter from? > > > > > > I have one that came from Wal-Mart with > > a > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > I tried to buy the same filter for > > another tank > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead and don't > > think much > > > > of > > > > > i > > > > t. > > > > > > Can you give me more information on > > this > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾂ� > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] had to get > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:46 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾂ� The old > > one I could feel the > > > > motor running > > > > > but > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > putting the water out, was working > > pretty > > > > good > > > > > before > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > but after the one I did it > > wouldn't work at > > > > all.. > > > > > I > > > > > > even > > > > > > > took it apart and checked > > everything out. > > > > The > > > > > new > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power filter. has > > the > > > > capability of > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > excess ammonia and nitrates. Has a > > bio > > > > filter and > > > > > a > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed the old > > filter on both > > > > the > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > it floating on one side of > > the new filter. > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to change > > the filters > > > > > every > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > the directions say? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38551	From: Gail	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38552	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber

Hi Amber and Len, No dead fish just cloudy water. You must have missed one of Len’s postings. I think the trouble is in removing the carbon altogether and using the extra media pad that Len talked about. Not being able to run to the LPS right away I substituted another piece of foam of my own make up. We are now running a test to insure that the new extra foam is not restrictive enough and will over heat the pumps motor, so far, so good. On getting another filter? Nix on that for two reasons. First of all, I can’t spend any more money now and for this size tank the Aqua Clear 50 should work fine, its only 29-gallons. Second, because of the configuration of the hood itself you cannot change the filter placement. There is only room for one, on the left hand side and the heater cut out is on the right hand side. Even if I could afford another PF, I would have nowhere to put it. Last, another question for Len? When first installed, with the carbon pack, the bio-max was exposed to air slightly on the top. Removing same and substituting the new foam piece on top of the first foam block the bio-max is now covered with water. Is this a problem and should it be slightly exposed to air? I included both of you here because we are all talking about the same thing and did not want the thread to get lost. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:46 AM > I use the carbon in my filter, so I'm > not sure if that makes a > difference. You sure there's not something dead in there? > ;) When I had > a really cloudy tank it turned out that I had a dead fish > hiding in it > that was fouling up the water. > I can't see how using more filter pads in it would make it > un-cloud the > water any better. How about getting a 2nd filter and > putting it on the > other end of the tank? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > >  > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions.  Fish are > fine as are water > > parameters.  Sometime ago Len and I talked about > this filter and how it > > is used.  Len does not use the carbon packets at > all but rather uses > > the extra room for additional filter pad media and I > think this is > > where I messed up.  I am going to have to get > some and try it his > > way.  It is defiantly something I am doing wrong > here and not the > > filter itself.  I don't think I have to charged > right or as Len does > > his anyway.  So many people cannot be wrong about > one filter, it has > > to be me! > >  > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > I don't have any problems with my AC > > > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > > > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it > as the > > > only filter on > > > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something > to do > > > with it. Perhaps > > > you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > > > You already tested that it is moving your water > in your > > > tank, I think > > > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could > there be a > > > dead fish or > > > dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today > as I am > > > on my way > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the > store > > > number but > > > > > rather the item number > > > > > that they are using in the store for > ID. If you > > > can get me > > > > > that from your sales > > > > > slip then I could order one from here. > > > > Without it I > > > > > am lost. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get me a > > > new filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  store > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > 2338 > > > > > > phoone > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > gallonﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get me a > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > paper work > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > or item > > > number that > > > > > they > > > > > > use.ﾃ�窶�  The store > close > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > filter unit.ﾃ�窶�  But > they sell all of > > > the replacement > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > it!ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶�  I got it > from Wal-mart. It > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > that removes > > > ammonia > > > > > and > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > already it has > > > picked up a > > > > > lot > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > to vacuum > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > from? > > > > > > > I have one that came from > Wal-Mart with > > > a > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > filter for > > > another tank > > > > > and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > and don't > > > think much > > > > > of > > > > > > i > > > > > t. > > > > > > > Can you give me more > information on > > > this > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > 2009, 5:46 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > The old > > > one I could feel the > > > > > motor running > > > > > > but > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > was working > > > pretty > > > > > good > > > > > > before > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > it > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > all.. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > took it apart and > checked > > > everything out. > > > > > The > > > > > > new > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > filter. has > > > the > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > nitrates. Has a > > > bio > > > > > filter and > > > > > > a > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > the old > > > filter on both > > > > > the > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶�  it floating > on one side of > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > change > > > the filters > > > > > > every > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > know the bio > > > filters > > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > bottom of > > > the out flow > > > > > do I > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > keep the water > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this message > > > h > > > > > ave been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line > and > > > EVERYTHING > > > > > below it > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ..ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ..><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ>.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつ ｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ. > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ...><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ> > > > > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY > to a post, > > > DELETE all > > > > > TEXT > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > NOT important to the > reply & > > > if CHANGING > > > > > the > > > > > > TOPIC > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the original message > MODIFY the > > > SUBJECT > > > > > LINE > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > i.e. "new > > > > > > > > subject (was re: old > subject)" > > > <- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ..ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ つｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ<ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ((((><ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ > > > > > > > > > `ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ. > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ...<ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ((((><ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ つｸ. > > > > > > > > We Thank You in Advance > for Your > > > HELP in > > > > > this > > > > > > > matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38553	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Gail, A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. Hope I have helped? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > else? > > thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38554	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Found a few fry in my filter

When I was doing my filter cleaning's last night I ran across a couple of fry living in the bottom of my aquaclear filter. After I cleaned the filter media I carefully unplugged the filter and poured the water left in it into my 10 gallon fry tank, instead of netting the little guys/gals. I'm not sure if they are a couple of live bearer's, as I have platy's and guppy's in the tank, or if they are possibly a couple of fry from my hillstream loaches, people in the UK report that most of their fry end up inside their filters, so you should look carefully when you clean them. I carefully checked all the other filters, but didn't find any more fry, apparently the other filters are too dangerous for fry ;) They're happy in the 10 gallon with the other fry so far, I'm hoping they're not just guppy's, LOL. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38555	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber

I have the little "ceramic looking" pieces on top on my aquaclear, I put the sponge in first, then the carbon piece, and then the bio-balls. I'm not sure if placement has much to do with what's wrong, but thought I'd share ;) LOL Also the bio-balls on my aquaclear are exposed to air in some places, those spots tend to grow algae as my lights are above my filter right now. I'm planning on moving the aquaclear upstairs but with the new light on the 55 gallon tank, it'll still sit under the light so it will probably always grow algae. I rinse the bio-balls really well, figure it can't hurt anything as it's just sucking up excess nutrients anyways. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Amber and Len, > > No dead fish just cloudy water. You must have missed one of Len’s > postings. > I think the trouble is in removing the carbon altogether and using the > extra media > pad that Len talked about. > > Not being able to run to the LPS right away I substituted another > piece of foam > of my own make up. We are now running a test to insure that the new > extra foam is not restrictive enough and will over heat the pumps > motor, so far, so good. > > On getting another filter? Nix on that for two reasons. First of all, > I can’t spend any more money now and for this size tank the Aqua Clear > 50 should work fine, its only 29-gallons. Second, because of the > configuration of the hood itself you cannot change the filter > placement. There is only room for one, on the left hand side and the > heater cut out is on the right hand side. Even if I could afford > another PF, I would have nowhere to put it. > > Last, another question for Len? > When first installed, with the carbon pack, the bio-max was exposed to > air slightly on the top. Removing same and substituting the new foam > piece on top of the first foam block the bio-max is now covered with > water. Is this a problem and should it be slightly exposed to air? I > included both of you here because we are all talking about the same > thing and did not want the thread to get lost. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:46 AM > > I use the carbon in my filter, so I'm > > not sure if that makes a > > difference. You sure there's not something dead in there? > > ;) When I had > > a really cloudy tank it turned out that I had a dead fish > > hiding in it > > that was fouling up the water. > > I can't see how using more filter pads in it would make it > > un-cloud the > > water any better. How about getting a 2nd filter and > > putting it on the > > other end of the tank? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are > > fine as are water > > > parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked about > > this filter and how it > > > is used. Len does not use the carbon packets at > > all but rather uses > > > the extra room for additional filter pad media and I > > think this is > > > where I messed up. I am going to have to get > > some and try it his > > > way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong > > here and not the > > > filter itself. I don't think I have to charged > > right or as Len does > > > his anyway. So many people cannot be wrong about > > one filter, it has > > > to be me! > > > > > > Bill > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > > filter today. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > I don't have any problems with my AC > > > > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > > > > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it > > as the > > > > only filter on > > > > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something > > to do > > > > with it. Perhaps > > > > you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > > > > You already tested that it is moving your water > > in your > > > > tank, I think > > > > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could > > there be a > > > > dead fish or > > > > dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > > me a new > > > > filter today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today > > as I am > > > > on my way > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > > me a new > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the > > store > > > > number but > > > > > > rather the item number > > > > > > that they are using in the store for > > ID. If you > > > > can get me > > > > > > that from your sales > > > > > > slip then I could order one from here. > > > > > > Without it I > > > > > > am lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.ﾃ�窶� The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.ﾃ�窶� But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >ﾃ�窶� it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > > this message > > > > h > > > > > > ave been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line > > and > > > > EVERYTHING > > > > > > below it > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ > つｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃ > つｽﾃつｷ..ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ > ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ..><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ>.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖 > δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶 > 凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつ > ｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽ > ﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃ > つｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃ > δｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ ><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ > ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつ > ｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖 δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯ > ﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃ > つ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ. > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつ > ｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖 δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃ > δｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ...><((((ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY > > to a post, > > > > DELETE all > > > > > > TEXT > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > NOT important to the > > reply & > > > > if CHANGING > > > > > > the > > > > > > > TOPIC > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the original message > > MODIFY the > > > > SUBJECT > > > > > > LINE > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > i.e. "new > > > > > > > > > subject (was re: old > > subject)" > > > > <- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃ > δｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃ > つ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ..ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯ > ﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖 > δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶 > 凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ > つｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ<ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃ > つｽﾃつｺ ((((><ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿ > ﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯ > ﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ > > > > > > > > > > > > `ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃ > つｽﾃつｸ. > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ > つｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖 δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃ > つｽﾃつｷ...<ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｺ((((><ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯ > ﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｴﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ > ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｯ`ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｷ.ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶 > 凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃつｸﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ�窶凖δ｣ﾃｯﾂｿﾂｽﾃつ､ﾃδｯﾃつｽﾃ > つｸ. > > > > > > > > > We Thank You in Advance > > for Your > > > > HELP in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38556	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

any beaches near by?  or lakes even? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:44 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links (Yahoo! ID required) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38557	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

I have a question on drift wood. I have read that it degrades in water, which makes sense. How long does it take for drift wood to rot enough to a point where it should be removed from your aquarium? Do pleco's eat it all before then? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium > safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your > local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do > sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium > safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, > that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will > also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the > bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you > don’t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it > easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large > container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not > stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if > it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits > in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and > also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the > wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it > should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38558	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: White

There's also a golden version: http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=830+2855+952&pcatid=952 OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/cp9o6z Ach! And on sale, no less. drool DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Brown" <dbrown1973@...> I did a quick google search and found them alone in a hexagonal tank. See the link below and scroll down - they are about halfway down the page, thanks! Dani in ND http://www.fishlore.com/YourTanks_Page5.htm --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> This hardly qualifies as bizarre, but I'm wondering how small of a fish can you keep with fancy goldfish without having them considered snacks? Hubby really wants a school of little fish when we find our dream aquarium. Everything I'm seeing online says goldfish are peaceful fish and we were thinking of getting White Cloud Mountain minnows, but a friend just told us to save our money, because they'll just get eaten. DebR and the Three Goldfish

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38559	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? thanks, Sandi --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM Gail, A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. Hope I have helped? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > else? > > thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38560	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Hi Sandi, Sure, BUT again, safety for your fish? What type of micro organisms has it been exposed too? Sterilizing for an aquarium could take forever, and even with that some type of testing would still be needed to be sure its safe or risk your fish. Is it all really worth all that just to save a few bucks by not buying an approved item? I’m betting you already have way more than that tied up in your aquarium right now. Besides the obvious, killing what fish you do have, there is one other very important factor. If you introduce something bad into your aquarium how are you going to rid yourself of it even after all your fish die? That is the easy part, a complete tank tear down! Again, is it really worth it? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> wrote: > From: sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:44 AM > Question regarding the driftwood... > would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of > the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is > Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that > they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because > many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really > great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the > pieces that you find could be for reptiles, > thatﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢s does not necessarily mean aquarium > safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an > aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat > slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor > them down in an aquarium. If you donﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢t see > the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always > found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, > in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few > days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to > hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily > in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. > Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also > takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows > the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the > wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, > rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with > ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No > one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box > stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or > something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.><((((ﾃつｺ>.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ><((((ﾃつｺ> > > > ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. , > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..><((((ﾃつｺ> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <ﾃつｺ((((><.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｸ.ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸ. > > , > .ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ..<ﾃつｺ((((><ﾃつｷﾃつｴﾃつｯ`ﾃつｷ.ﾃつｸﾃつｸ. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > ﾃつ� ﾃつ� mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ > yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.><((((ｺ>..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ><((((ｺ> > ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. , > .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..><((((ｺ> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <ｺ((((><.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ<ｺ((((><ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. > , .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..<ｺ((((><ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38561	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

If no fish are using it for food or too just bash around the tank, quite a while. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 12:04 PM > I have a question on drift wood. I > have read that it degrades in water, > which makes sense. How long does it take for drift wood to > rot enough to > a point where it should be removed from your aquarium? Do > pleco's eat it > all before then? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Gail, > > > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy > is Aquarium > > safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that > they are. Your > > local pet shop can advise. I say this because many > landscape stores do > > sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it > is NOT aquarium > > safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be > for reptiles, > > that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium > safe. > > > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an > aquarium will > > also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate > screwed to the > > bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an > aquarium. If you > > don’t see the slate, be careful. > > > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have > always found it > > easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in > a large > > container and fill with water and soak for a few days. > If it will not > > stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. > Remember that if > > it will not submerge easily in your container, it will > give you fits > > in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this > process up a bit and > > also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This > soak allows the > > wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the > wood itself > > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the > piece off and it > > should go into your tank with ease. > > > > Hope I have helped? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > > > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > > > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > > some good resources for buying/ getting > driftwood. No one > > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big > box stores > > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or > something > > > else? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38562	From: Byron	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on everything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no problems since. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> wrote: > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38563	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

That is strange as i got mine form the lake shore scrubbed it with soap and water and then boiled it for a solid hour. And my pleco  and ther fish are fine with no problems. So in some instances it can be safe. Just one hast to be careful is all. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Byron <bhosking@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:03 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on e verything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no problems since. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> wrote: > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38564	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

I wash my driftwood in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode with no soap. I haven't had any issues with any of my driftwood. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > That is strange as i got mine form the lake shore scrubbed it with > soap and water and then boiled it for a solid hour. And my pleco and > ther fish are fine with no problems. So in some instances it can be > safe. Just one hast to be careful is all. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Byron <bhosking@... <mailto:bhosking%40shaw.ca>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:03 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in > water, may > contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, > poisons, > fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact > that it is > in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it > away, or > fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. > > Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found > mangrove root > (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be > the best. > It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem > with it, > and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something > else, not > sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became > lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and > that, the > culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something > toxic > into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin > was on > e > verything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, > and no > problems since. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> > wrote: > > > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a > local lake and > get some out of the water there? > > thanks, > > Sandi > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gail, > > > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium > safe, some > are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop > can > advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and > at some > really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the > pieces that > you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily > mean aquarium > safe. > > > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will > also come > with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the > piece to > hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the > slate, be > careful. > > > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it > easier to > turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and > fill with > water and soak for a few > days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large > rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in > your > container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will > speed this > process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. > This soak > allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood > itself > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it > should go > into your tank with ease. > > > > Hope I have helped? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > > else? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`à > ·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > >   mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38565	From: Harl Myers	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber

If ever there was a message that needed trimming... I think that the wet dry filters work well, but dry all the time I would think to be useless. Better wet all the time. The only filter that will quickly remove the cloud is a diatom earth filter, or something like that. It polishes the water and removes very very small particles - making the cloud disappear. However if the reason for the cloud is not fixed, well it will return. I would love to have a second test kit test for nitrates, it just seems odd that they are at 0 and you have a cloud, at least to me... On 3/31/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I have the little "ceramic looking" pieces on top on my aquaclear, I put > the sponge in first, then the carbon piece, and then the bio-balls. I'm > not sure if placement has much to do with what's wrong, but thought I'd > share ;) LOL > Also the bio-balls on my aquaclear are exposed to air in some places, > those spots tend to grow algae as my lights are above my filter right > now. I'm planning on moving the aquaclear upstairs but with the new > light on the 55 gallon tank, it'll still sit under the light so it will > probably always grow algae. I rinse the bio-balls really well, figure it > can't hurt anything as it's just sucking up excess nutrients anyways. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38566	From: yofiguy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: "glue" bio-balls and lid

I am currently modifying a 30 gallon (113.4 L) tank into an overflow wet/dry filter. this is going to be a three part question and answer. #1 for the "glue" to the lid support do I need to use aquarium silicone or could I use any clear bonding agent(area will not see water often if at all)? #2 how often do bio-balls need refreshing or replaced? #3 bio-ball compartment will have a lid on top the shape Z I J flat or what? I am using very thick plexy glass.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38567	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Thank you! The safety of my fish is most important when it comes to my aquariums!   Sandi --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:51 PM Hi Sandi, Sure, BUT again, safety for your fish? What type of micro organisms has it been exposed too? Sterilizing for an aquarium could take forever, and even with that some type of testing would still be needed to be sure its safe or risk your fish. Is it all really worth all that just to save a few bucks by not buying an approved item? I’m betting you already have way more than that tied up in your aquarium right now. Besides the obvious, killing what fish you do have, there is one other very important factor. If you introduce something bad into your aquarium how are you going to rid yourself of it even after all your fish die? That is the easy part, a complete tank tear down! Again, is it really worth it? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, sandi turner <skwirrley2@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: sandi turner <skwirrley2@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:44 AM > Question regarding the driftwood... > would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of > the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is > Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that > they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because > many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really > great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the > pieces that you find could be for reptiles, > thatﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢s does not necessarily mean aquarium > safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an > aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat > slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor > them down in an aquarium. If you donﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢t see > the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always > found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, > in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few > days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to > hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily > in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. > Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also > takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows > the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the > wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, > rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with > ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No > one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box > stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or > something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38568	From: sandi turner	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Thank you!!!  I have no desire to kill my fish thats for sure!!!   Sandi --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Byron <bhosking@...> wrote: From: Byron <bhosking@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:03 PM The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on everything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no problems since. --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@ ...> wrote: > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > P > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38569	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Sump v Filter

I am thinking of changing from a standard power filter ie fluval 4+ to a sump with plants or a trickle sump. Which would be better for my oscar tanks ? I have already built the pvc syphon pipes so half way there as my tank is not drilled. Garry ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38570	From: Byron	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

I am rather astounded that anyone would risk their fish like this. To this poster and the next on the same topic, yes, you have both been lucky. Not everyone who has used wood they find has been. I do not believe that boiling the wood for however long is a surety that all toxic substances are gone. You've no idea what the wood might has absorbed over years. I can accept that boiling will presumably kill bacteria and parasites, provided the boiling reaches to the centre of the wood; but how do you know that? And unless you know the type of wood and its biological properties, how do you know how long it might be before it suddenly rots and fouls the water with fish suffering? As Bill has said, is risking the health of your fish or their loss worth it? My fish are more important to me than saving a few dollars on a piece of bogwood. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > That is strange as i got mine form the lake shore scrubbed it with soap and water and then boiled it for a solid hour. And my pleco  and ther fish are fine with no problems. So in some instances it can be safe. Just one hast to be careful is all. > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Byron <bhosking@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:03 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > > > > > > > > > The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may > contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, > fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is > in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or > fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. > > Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root > (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. > It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, > and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not > sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became > lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the > culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic > into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on > e > verything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no > problems since. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@> wrote: > > > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and > get some out of the water there? > > thanks, > > Sandi > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gail, > > > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some > are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can > advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some > really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that > you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium > safe. > > > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come > with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to > hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be > careful. > > > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to > turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with > water and soak for a few > days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large > rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your > container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this > process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak > allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go > into your tank with ease. > > > > Hope I have helped? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > > else? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`à > ·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38571	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Gail, I have a recent blog article about driftwood which includes references and other links to other articles about driftwood. Check it out for more details. In short, many folks collect their own driftwood although some areas prohibit same... but then they also have speeding laws that prohibit going 60 in a 55 also... so I never do 60... more like 70+. LOL When I did buy some driftwood from BigAlsOnline.com back in 2005, I got two decent sized pieces, that you'll see in the picture of my 65G tank on the top of my blog. They were only around $10.00 each. I've seen good deals on driftwood on eBay also. I'm sure Aquabid.com also has sellers of driftwood. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38572	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

It all depends on common sense. as well. the scrubbing and boiling will get rid of alot of bugs etc. Now if he area had alot of trash around it  or oily looking stuff in water then I wouldn't use it. There is no water contamination where I live So there for I am not putting my fish at risk. What would you recommend for those on fixed incomes and need to budget their money. Some of the prices  I have seen are a bit pricey at times. and have yet to find drift wood in the stores where I live. So what am to do. I do not nor will I ever get a credit card. nor another checking account either. SO then how am I to get the drift wood I need ? And ordering online is not an option for me I have had too many bad experiences ie identity theft  happen.  That is why I said use common sense. If you know an area say has alot of boating in it then prob not safe  But, on this issue I say we agree to disagree. We all have to do what we feel is best. If I spot a piece of drift wood that looks like it is oily etc then I aint going to use it Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Byron <bhosking@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 6:03 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet I am rather astounded that anyone would risk their fish like this. To this poster and the next on the same topic, yes, you have both been lucky. Not everyone who has used wood they find has been. I do not believe that boiling the wood for however long is a surety that all toxic substances are gone. You've no idea what the wood might has absorbed over years. I can accept that boiling will presumably kill bacteria and parasites, provided the boiling reaches to the centre of the wood; but how do you know that? And unless you know the type of wood and its biological properties, how do you know how long it might be before it suddenly rots and fouls the water with fish suffering? As Bill has said, is risking the health of your fish or their loss worth it? My fish are more important to me than saving a few dollars on a piece of bogwood. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > That is strange as i got mine form the lake shore scrubbed it with soap and water and then boiled it for a solid hour. And my pleco  and ther fish are fine with no problems. So in some instances it can be safe. Just one hast to be careful is all. > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Byron <bhosking@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:03 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > > > > > > > > > The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may > contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, > fuels... ) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is > in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or > fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. > > Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root > (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. > It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, > and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not > sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became > lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the > culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic > into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on > e > verything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no > problems since. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@> wrote: > > > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and > get some out of the water there? > > thanks, > > Sandi > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > >20 > > > > > > > > Gail, > > > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some > are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can > advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some > really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that > you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium > safe. > > > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come > with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to > hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be > careful. > > > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to > turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with > water and soak for a few > days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large > rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your > container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this > process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak > allows the wood to rest easier on the aquariu m bottom after the wood itself > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go > into your tank with ease. > > > > Hope I have helped? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM > > > So, in regards to driftwood. What are > > > some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores > > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something > > > else? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`à > Ã9 A·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·ÃC6‚´Â¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r emoved] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber

As long as the sponge/foam is open cell, it should be fine. DO NOT use closed cell sponges like those used for washing dishes. Those are designed to hold water, not let it flow freely through it. One source of bulk open cell foam is a craft store where they sell the foam to be used in making a seat cushion, etc. Like a posted in a previous thread on this topic said, just hold the foam over your face and breathe through it. If you can breathe through it, then it's open cell and OK (at least as far as the open cell structure goes) but if you can't breathe through it or it's really hard to breathe through, then it's NOT good. The only problem with buying foam from a craft store is whether or not it has any kind of residue or additives that might be harmful to the fish. Many posters over the years have used this stuff with no negative results that I've seen but I just buy the sponge blocks from a known aquarium safe supplier. It's best if the bio-max is covered in water. Any that was exposed to air all of the time never had any N-bacteria living on it.. unless it was still getting wet from occasional over-topping. Like a Bio-Wheel filter, which isn't under water but gets constantly soaked with water and provides a very good medium for growing thriving colonies of N-bacteria. On a side note.. did anyone else see all of the Chinese letters/symbols that showed up in Kate's reply down near the bottom of this thread when she was giving Bill the Item Numbers, etc. on the filters??? I can honestly say that this is the first time I've seen Chinese letters/symbols in a plain text email which is how I get and read my Yahoo Group's emails. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. Len And Amber Hi Amber and Len, No dead fish just cloudy water. You must have missed one of Len’s postings. I think the trouble is in removing the carbon altogether and using the extra media pad that Len talked about. Not being able to run to the LPS right away I substituted another piece of foam of my own make up. We are now running a test to insure that the new extra foam is not restrictive enough and will over heat the pumps motor, so far, so good. On getting another filter? Nix on that for two reasons. First of all, I can’t spend any more money now and for this size tank the Aqua Clear 50 should work fine, its only 29-gallons. Second, because of the configuration of the hood itself you cannot change the filter placement. There is only room for one, on the left hand side and the heater cut out is on the right hand side. Even if I could afford another PF, I would have nowhere to put it. Last, another question for Len? When first installed, with the carbon pack, the bio-max was exposed to air slightly on the top. Removing same and substituting the new foam piece on top of the first foam block the bio-max is now covered with water. Is this a problem and should it be slightly exposed to air? I included both of you here because we are all talking about the same thing and did not want the thread to get lost. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new filter today. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:46 AM I use the carbon in my filter, > so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. You sure there's not > something dead in there? > ;) When I had > a really cloudy tank it turned out that I had a dead fish hiding in it > that was fouling up the water. > I can't see how using more filter pads in it would make it un-cloud > the water any better. How about getting a 2nd filter and putting it on > the other end of the tank? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > No dead fish just cloudy conditions. Fish are > fine as are water > > parameters. Sometime ago Len and I talked about > this filter and how it > > is used. Len does not use the carbon packets at > all but rather uses > > the extra room for additional filter pad media and I > think this is > > where I messed up. I am going to have to get > some and try it his > > way. It is defiantly something I am doing wrong > here and not the > > filter itself. I don't think I have to charged > right or as Len does > > his anyway. So many people cannot be wrong about > one filter, it has > > to be me! > > > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get me a new > filter today. > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > I don't have any problems with my AC > > > filter Bill, I'm sorry to see that > > > you aren't satisfied with yours. I don't have it > as the > > > only filter on > > > my tank though too, so perhaps that has something > to do > > > with it. Perhaps > > > you happened to get a defective filter somehow? > > > You already tested that it is moving your water > in your > > > tank, I think > > > you mentioned red food coloring somewhere. Could > there be a > > > dead fish or > > > dead plant that is fouling the tank up? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is most welcome, > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > <toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter today. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k I can get that for you later on today > as I am > > > on my way > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to get > me a new > > > filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate the information but not the > store > > > number but > > > > > rather the item number > > > > > that they are using in the store for > ID. If you > > > can get me > > > > > that from your sales > > > > > slip then I could order one from here. > > > > Without it I > > > > > am lost. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get me a > > > new filter > > > > > today. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > 2338 > > > > > > phoone > > > > numberﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > gallonﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > get me a > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > paper work > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > or item > > > number that > > > > > they > > > > > > use.ﾃ 窶 The store > close > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > filter unit.ﾃ 窶 But > they sell all of > > > the replacement > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > it!ﾃ 窶 > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ 窶 I got it > from Wal-mart. It > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > that removes > > > ammonia > > > > > and > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > already it has > > > picked up a > > > > > lot > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > to vacuum > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > from? > > > > > > > I have one that came from > Wal-Mart with > > > a > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > filter for > > > another tank > > > > > and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > and don't > > > think much > > > > > of > > > > > > i > > > > > t. > > > > > > > Can you give me more > information on > > > this > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > had to get > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > 2009, 5:46 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > The old > > > one I could feel the > > > > > motor running > > > > > > but > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > was working > > > pretty > > > > > good > > > > > > before > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > it > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > all.. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > took it apart and > checked > > > everything out. > > > > > The > > > > > > new > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > filter. has > > > the > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > nitrates. Has a > > > bio > > > > > filter and > > > > > > a > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > the old > > > filter on both > > > > > the > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > >ﾃ 窶 it floating > on one side of > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > change > > > the filters > > > > > > every > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > know the bio > > > filters > > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > bottom of > > > the out flow > > > > > do I > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > keep the water > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ﾃδｯﾃつｾﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ｡ﾃδｯﾃつｿﾃつｽ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38574	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Yes, driftwood slowly deteriorates... what do you think happened to all the bark? ;-) The two pieces in my aquarium are 4-5 years old with no end time in sight yet... but they are considerably smaller than they were when I first got them. If you go to my DIY Tank Stand blog article and look at the tank after it was first set up and then compare it to the blog header photo which is a more recent picture of my 65G, you'll see that the two pieces of driftwood are considerably smaller in size... mostly from the pleco-du-jour gnawing/munching on it but I guess some is from natural decay. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/search/label/DIY%20Tank%20Stand shows the page header photo at the top and if you scroll down to the last picture in the article, you'll see a clear image of the two pieces of driftwood and how thick they were back in 2005 compared to 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:05 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet I have a question on drift wood. I have read that it degrades in water, which makes sense. How long does it take for drift wood to rot enough to a point where it should be removed from your aquarium? Do pleco's eat it all before then? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium > safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your > local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do > sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium > safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, > that's does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will > also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the > bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you > don't see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it > easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large > container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not > stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if > it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits > in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and > also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the > wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself > drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it > should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM So, in regards to driftwood. > > What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like > > Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38575	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

If the lake is clean and safe, not polluted, mercury laden, etc., then it should be fine. Read my blog article and the other links in the article on cleaning/sanitizing it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? thanks, Sandi --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM Gail, A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. Hope I have helped? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM So, in regards to driftwood. > What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like > Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? > > thanks, > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38576	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Where do you think the stores get it? They don't have a driftwood manufacturing facility creating driftwood in sterile conditions. The distributors have some kids in some third world country gathering driftwood from where ever they find it and then the distributor likely does a lot less than we do ourselves for sanitizing and sterilizing the driftwood before shipping it to the stores who then sell it to you. As far as introducing something bad into an aquarium.... I GUARANTEE you that the fish and plants that you buy from an "approved" store introduces more BAD stuff into your tanks than what you might ever get from nature... unless you are getting wood or fish from a known hazardous or toxic lake. I would trust God (aka Mother Nature) to provide better, safer, cleaner driftwood over any store, if I had the time and locale to get it myself. Anything I buy from a store still goes through the same quarantine process and then driftwood and plants also get sterilized. I would do as much to something store bought as I would to something found au natural! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet Hi Sandi, Sure, BUT again, safety for your fish? What type of micro organisms has it been exposed too? Sterilizing for an aquarium could take forever, and even with that some type of testing would still be needed to be sure its safe or risk your fish. Is it all really worth all that just to save a few bucks by not buying an approved item? I’m betting you already have way more than that tied up in your aquarium right now. Besides the obvious, killing what fish you do have, there is one other very important factor. If you introduce something bad into your aquarium how are you going to rid yourself of it even after all your fish die? That is the easy part, a complete tank tear down! Again, is it really worth it? Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> wrote: > From: sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:44 AM Question regarding the > driftwood... > would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water > there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium > safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your > local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do > sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium > safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, > thatテ「竄ャ邃「s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will > also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the > bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you > donテ「竄ャ邃「t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it > easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large > container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not > stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if > it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits > in an aquarium. > Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care > of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest > easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. > After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into > your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM So, in regards to driftwood. > > What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No > one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box > stores > > like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or > something > > else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38577	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It is called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38578	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38579	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Like I said earlier. The driftwood you buy is likely taken from just as dangerous places as anything you might find yourself and I seriously doubt that the distributor will take the steps that we fish keepers will take to sterilize/sanitize something. In fact, at least you know where it's coming from when you find it yourself and can choose to collect a piece or not. If you see dead fish floating all around a lake or stream, then you know not to pick from that place. Collecting yourself means you don't have to worry if it was picked up off a beach somewhere that has been subjected to pollution, an oil spill, spraying for mosquitoes, etc. Most of the times, I err on the side of caution but with fish keeping and ecology, nature ALWAYS does it better than man. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Byron Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet The quick answer is, NO. Wood found anywhere outside, on land or in water, may contain toxic substances (sap, resin, but more importantly pesticides, poisons, fuels...) that will leech into the tank and kill the fish. The fact that it is in water is no safety--the stream can dilute the toxin and carry it away, or fish can avoid it--unlike in a closed aquarium. Always buy from an aquarium store that you trust. I have found mangrove root (its heavy, a dark brown-black, and varied in shapes and sizes) to be the best. It sinks without any treatment or weights. I've never had a problem with it, and I have a lot of it. Years ago I bought a large piece of something else, not sure what it was, from the aquarium store; after a few months fish became lethargic and started dying. After a multitude of tests for this and that, the culprit was found to be that piece of wood that was leeching something toxic into the water. I pulled out all the wood and destroyed it (the toxin was on everything although couldn't be "seen"), thoroughly cleaned the tank, and no problems since. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> wrote: > > Question regarding the driftwood... would it be safe to go to a local lake and get some out of the water there? > thanks, > Sandi > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 AM > Gail, > > A quick comment here. Make sure ANY driftwood you buy is Aquarium safe, some are not! They should state on a tag that they are. Your local pet shop can advise. I say this because many landscape stores do sell driftwood and at some really great prices but it is NOT aquarium safe. Also many of the pieces that you find could be for reptiles, that’s does not necessarily mean aquarium safe. > > I have always found that many driftwood pieces for an aquarium will also come with a fairly large piece of flat slate screwed to the bottom of the piece to hold or anchor them down in an aquarium. If you don’t see the slate, be careful. > > If you do find a nice piece that is safe, I have always found it easier to turn the piece upside down, slate on top, in a large container and fill with water and soak for a few days. If it will not stay submerged then use a large rock to hold it down. Remember that if it will not submerge easily in your container, it will give you fits in an aquarium. Using hot water will speed this process up a bit and also takes care of any bug problems in the wood. This soak allows the wood to rest easier on the aquarium bottom after the wood itself drinks in water. After a few days to a week, rise the piece off and it should go into your tank with ease. > > Hope I have helped? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:44 AM So, in regards to driftwood. > > What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one > > really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? > > > > Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like > > Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? > > > > thanks, > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38580	From: dewdude35	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Found a few fry in my filter

you know I almost had a similar post...lol I had a brood of swordtails.... about 25 of the lil buggars... and I was guessing they became tasty morsels for my fish. I have decided to no longer rescue all the fry anymore. anyhow, they had been hiding in the grass and other fish have been noticeably patrolling the area. the filter intake is above the grass, never thought for a minute that they were being sucked up! I did my PWC the other night and this time is filter time... I dumped the water from the filter into the toilet and I had 8+ fry in the bowl... net too big to get them out, so they dwell in the sewers now... as nemo says.. all drains lead to the ocean... I an not loving the new filter style that much, I have been packing in filter floss to get better filtration results... water is clear now.. not sold on these filter cartidge filters...anyhow yes If you have fry and you want them... check the filter before dumping them down the drain or toilet.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38581	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Well, if it's really memory foam, then it should be a closed cell foam and is NOT suitable for our filter systems. To give it a really good test, you could always put a large piece over my ex-wifes face, while she's sleeping, and after five minutes or so, let me know if she's still breathing. If she is, then it's safe to use in your filter. If she isn't... thank you Bill.. I owe you one! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:15 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There's quite a story to how I got this special foam. I'll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy's bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated "Worm" that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It is called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38582	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: DIY Lights

I increased the lights to 3 wpg from 1.5 wpg on my 10 gal tank today. I used 6500k daylight bulbs. Should I add fertilizer? I only have 3 fish in the tank. The largest being about 1.75 in. The other 2 are about 1 in. This should give me many more options for plants now. I corrently have low to moderately night light plants. Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38583	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38584	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

With African rift lake cichlids you probably don’t want driftwood in the tank since it tends to lower pH. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38585	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights

I would take it slowly. How are your plants currently doing? Are they fast growing plants or slow growers or ??? You should probably cut back on the time of lighting for now. If you use to have the lights on for 10 hours a day, I'd cut bake to 7 hours a day to give the plants a chance to acclimate. Then see how things are going and as you add more plants and fish/critters (that put out CO2), you can increase the time of lighting. There just needs to be balance between lighting, CO2 and nutrients (nitrates, phosphates, etc.) Since you've now increased the lighting intensity, you need to cut back on the duration. I'm certainly not an expert but give us more details on the plants... the exact species, how big, how many, how well they are doing, etc. Also test your CO2 levels using this chart and test. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm Also give us nitrates and if you have the kit, phosphates. Don't worry if you don't have a phosphate kit. I've never owned one either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:04 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I increased the lights to 3 wpg from 1.5 wpg on my 10 gal tank today. I used 6500k daylight bulbs. Should I add fertilizer? I only have 3 fish in the tank. The largest being about 1.75 in. The other 2 are about 1 in. This should give me many more options for plants now. I corrently have low to moderately night light plants. Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38586	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid

What are you gluing? What kind of material? If the tank is glass, most manufacturers use aquarium silicone so that if one of the glass panes ever break, it can be repaired more easily. If you use a more permanent product like a clear 2-part epoxy, like that used on acrylic aquariums, then doing repairs are a much harder task. Fortunately, acrylic doesn't break as easily as glass. You still need to use a product that will not dissolve or leach into water since even moisture, etc., could cause problems if the glue leaches or dissolves. Also, by using silicone, if you ever want to reconfigure the sump or go back to using it as a tank, it will be easier to remove the added panels/separators. Bio-balls never need to be replaced. As far as refreshing them, they should be rinsed in some removed tank water whenever you do filter maintenance (usually weekly or more often on overstocked or undersized tanks). All they do is provide a medium with a lot of surface area on them to grow large colonies of nitrifying bacteria. By having bio-balls or bio-max or some other media like that, it does make it easier on the nitrogen cycle if someone ever over cleans the rest of the filter media (sponges, floss pads, etc.) or replaces any part of them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yofiguy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] "glue" bio-balls and lid I am currently modifying a 30 gallon (113.4 L) tank into an overflow wet/dry filter. this is going to be a three part question and answer. #1 for the "glue" to the lid support do I need to use aquarium silicone or could I use any clear bonding agent(area will not see water often if at all)? #2 how often do bio-balls need refreshing or replaced? #3 bio-ball compartment will have a lid on top the shape Z I J flat or what? I am using very thick plexy glass.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38587	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Of concern?  It easily passed the breathing test.  Maybe a counterfeit or generic?  On the filter?  No heat or motor problems, runs great so far. Now about the original problem, clearing the tank, the jury’s out on that one.   Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:56 PM > Well, if it's really memory foam, > then it should be a closed cell foam and > is NOT suitable for our filter systems.  To give it a > really good test, you > could always put a large piece over my ex-wifes face, while > she's sleeping, > and after five minutes or so, let me know if she's still > breathing.  If she > is, then it's safe to use in your filter.  If she > isn't... thank you Bill.. > I owe you one! > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:15 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > thread > > > Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing.  There's > quite a story to how I > got this special foam.  I'll try to be brief. > > Our small dog Judy ate her bed!  Since both of our > dogs are spoiled rotten, > you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam > beds or with us. > To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a > replacement > immediately for Judy or should I say Judy's bed.  She > found the necessary > foam and re did the bed.  Saving the scrape > pieces.  I used one of those, > cut too fit. > > Thanks also for the Bio-Max.  I thought it should be > covered with water.  My > Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top.  I > assumed it was to keep the > water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of > it. > > As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today > with the Internet > and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed > the lady could > possibly be Chinese.  > > If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns > are most probably > directed at the new or updated "Worm" that is said to be > upon us tomorrow, > April 1.  And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It is > called"conficker c".  I > refer all to these sites:  http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html > and > http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 > > Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy > ware programs are > up to date you should not have any issues with it. > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38588	From: bill1433	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Len,   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective.  In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word.   Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little.  I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post.  I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶   The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶   But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶   I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶   it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing.  There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam.  I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed!  Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed.  She found the necessary foam and re did the bed.  Saving the scrape pieces.  I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max.  I thought it should be covered with water.  My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top.  I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1.  And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c".  I refer all to these sites:  http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html%c2%a0     and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.><((((ｺ>.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ><((((ｺ> ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. , .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..><((((ｺ> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <ｺ((((><.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ<ｺ((((><ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. , .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..<ｺ((((><ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38589	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Darn... guess that means I still have to mail out the alimony check tomorrow. LOL Yes, if you were able to breath through it easily, then it's NOT memory foam. Memory foam is a very dense foam. Well.. I take that back. I decided to Google a little and see articles stating that memory foam can be either open cell or closed cell... or even a combination of open cell and closed cell construction. BUT.. that said, memory foam is usually very dense and my not be easily breathed through. Compare that to the open cell foam included with the AC filter and you'll be able to easily see the difference. Here's a generic article about memory foam products http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Memory+Foam+not+All+Foams+Are+Created+Equal-a0 1073849139 and yes, there are tons of knock-offs and the Chinese are even in the market seriously undercutting other prices. I hope their memory foam is better than their pet foods and sheetrock. ;-) In case it hasn't hit the news around the rest of the world, down here in N'Awlins, Chinese sheetrock is giving off fumes and chemicals that are causing corrosion in A/C coils and other copper pipes in homes where it was used, causing leaking pipes and freon leaks (I hope them folks don't have fish)... OMG.. and there goes the hole in Ozone layer... oh wait.. that's being cause by Mother Nature... the Mt. Redoubt volcano in Alaska that is spewing tons of CFC's (Chlorofluorocarbons) into the atmosphere, just like every volcano has done for the past few hundred thousand years. Where's AlGore when we need him... we could throw him into the volcano to shut down the blow-hole... and the volcano too! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Of concern?  It easily passed the breathing test.  Maybe a counterfeit or generic?  On the filter?  No heat or motor problems, runs great so far. Now about the original problem, clearing the tank, the jury’s out on that one.   Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:56 PM Well, if it's really memory > foam, then it should be a closed cell foam and is NOT suitable for our > filter systems.  To give it a really good test, you could always put a > large piece over my ex-wifes face, while she's sleeping, and after > five minutes or so, let me know if she's still breathing.  If she is, > then it's safe to use in your filter.  If she isn't... thank you > Bill.. > I owe you one! > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:15 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > thread > > > Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing.  There's > quite a story to how I > got this special foam.  I'll try to be brief. > > Our small dog Judy ate her bed!  Since both of our > dogs are spoiled rotten, > you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam > beds or with us. > To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a > replacement > immediately for Judy or should I say Judy's bed.  She > found the necessary > foam and re did the bed.  Saving the scrape > pieces.  I used one of those, > cut too fit. > > Thanks also for the Bio-Max.  I thought it should be > covered with water.  My > Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top.  I > assumed it was to keep the > water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of > it. > > As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today > with the Internet > and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed > the lady could > possibly be Chinese.  > > If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns > are most probably > directed at the new or updated "Worm" that is said to be > upon us tomorrow, > April 1.  And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It is > called"conficker c".  I > refer all to these sites:  http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html > and > http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 > > Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy > ware programs are > up to date you should not have any issues with it. > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38591	From: Troy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Greetings: I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake country. This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, but could have forced it off its stand. How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake preparedness? Thanks. Troy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38592	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: 55 gallon finally set up

So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a nice amount of algae growing already. I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" upstairs lol). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38593	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Troy, I have friends that work at Stanford in two different fish labs. I will see if I can get some pics of the racking system one of them uses. Designed to be earthquake "resistant". From memory the racking was bolted to the floor and there were restraints on the tanks to keep them from sliding off the rack in a temblor. As far as a design, look at a car battery in its battery tray. Typically they are restrained in a manner that keeps them from sliding, bouncing or shifting. Vibrations are very hard on automotive batteries and a loose battery is dangerous. Boom! had it happen once. Usually a frame or bar across the top of a battery and then two rods attaching from the top to the bottom tray, bolted in some fashion to restrict movement. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Troy <ntevidence@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Greetings: I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake country. This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, but could have forced it off its stand. How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake preparedness? Thanks. Troy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38594	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

That's why I live in N'Awlins.. when it floods, the fish go free. LOL But seriously, I haven't seen much written on this topic... but I bet it's been discussed on BadMan's or TheKrib's sites. I just did a quick Google and here's a few archived discussions from sites that I recognize as usually reliable sites... and I see a thread on MFK (Monster Fish Keepers) too. One thing I did notice is that Acrylic tanks are preferred over glass tanks. Acrylic tanks are more flexible and will not shatter and will not crack as easily as glass either. http://www.thekrib.com/Misc/earthquake.html http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/stands.html (Also see my own DIY Tank Stand article on my blog for a low cost stand that I bet would withstand a mild earthquake.) http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=94 16.0 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138320 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/lounge/22004-earthquake-proofing-aquariums .html http://www.fishforum.com/freshwater-aquariums/earthquake-proof-16647/ This site even mentions 3-year olds with baseball bats and earthquakes in the same paragraph in recommending acrylic tanks. http://www.fishtankwarehouse.com/information/about_us.cfm "... Acrylic is 17 times stronger than glass and will flex instead of shatter - practically childproof - giving your fish a better chance to survive an earthquake (or a rampant three-year old with a baseball bat!). A blow that will break a glass aquarium may only scratch an acrylic one. Because the seams are stronger and the aquarium is more flexible, you can count on having an acrylic aquarium longer..." I don't think you have to worry about a tank sliding off a stand as much as the stand actually collapsing due to the side-to-side or twisting stressors that most stands are not designed to withstand... especially with a very heavy tank sitting on top of it. A tank full of water is VERY heavy and will not likely slide around on anything... unless you have it sitting on a silicone-lubricated teflon-topping on your stand. I didn't even think about the earthquake proofing aspect of acrylic tanks when I bought my first one four years ago... not that I'll ever have to deal with an earthquake down here. LOL That's another thing I like about Hurricanes (the storms and the kind we drink), at least we get to plan for them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Greetings: I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake country. This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, but could have forced it off its stand. How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake preparedness? Thanks. Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38595	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the front of the tank instead of the back. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a nice amount of algae growing already. I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" upstairs lol). Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38596	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

I figured that it was safer to put a 125 gallon tank on the main level of the condo, and not upstairs ;) I figured the structure would be more secure down there. And why do you suggest this anyways Lenny? A bigger fish tank in the sky? LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank > upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the > front > of the tank instead of the back. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I still > have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now that our > walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for me to > think of > possibly getting another tank some day. > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the > tank > nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled filters on > it as > well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear will fit behind > the back > of the tank I'm going to put that one on the 55, but will have to see, > haven't measured yet. > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink > on it's > own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I washed it > in the > dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and then put it into > the 55 > gallon while it was still hot out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It > sank > like a light rock ;) LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be > sure it stays put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a nice > amount of algae growing already. > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my glofish > danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching them, and > they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will have to go > check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think I'm going to put > them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely under the night lights > :). They will be good companion's for the loaches as they don't mind > cooler > water, same with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon > (to that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" > upstairs lol). > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38597	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

APRIL FOOLS!!!! Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering what I was smoking? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the front of the tank instead of the back. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a nice amount of algae growing already. I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" upstairs lol). Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38598	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a little > after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering what > I was > smoking? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank > upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the > front > of the tank instead of the back. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I still > have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now that our > walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for me to > think of > possibly getting another tank some day. > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the > tank > nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled filters on > it as > well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear will fit behind > the back > of the tank I'm going to put that one on the 55, but will have to see, > haven't measured yet. > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink > on it's > own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I washed it > in the > dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and then put it into > the 55 > gallon while it was still hot out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It > sank > like a light rock ;) LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be > sure it stays put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a nice > amount of algae growing already. > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my glofish > danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching them, and > they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will have to go > check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think I'm going to put > them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely under the night lights > :). They will be good companion's for the loaches as they don't mind > cooler > water, same with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon > (to that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" > upstairs lol). > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38599	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any questions. Were you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering what > I was smoking? LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank > upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the > front of the tank instead of the back. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I > still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now > that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for > me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the > tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled > filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear > will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the > 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink > on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I > washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and > then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the > dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put > pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't > decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a > nice amount of algae growing already. > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching > them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will > have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think > I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely > under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the > loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the > fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in > the "sky" > upstairs lol). > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38600	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

Was just sharing. I'm not sure if an Aquaclear 110 an a Rena filstar xp 4 would be over doing it too much though. Sites recommend that the hillstream loaches have a filter setup that cycles the tank a minimum of 10 times an hour, and of course the higher the better as they like fast flowing streams. I suppose I can see if it's too much power for the guppy's and danio's. Any thoughts? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any questions. Were > you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering what > > I was smoking? LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank > > upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the > > front of the tank instead of the back. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I > > still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now > > that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for > > me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the > > tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled > > filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear > > will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the > > 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink > > on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I > > washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and > > then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the > > dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put > > pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't > > decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a > > nice amount of algae growing already. > > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching > > them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will > > have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think > > I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely > > under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the > > loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the > > fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in > > the "sky" > > upstairs lol). > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38601	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no > good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake > country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent > quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and > aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps > to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the > differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor > vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38602	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Len,   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? If so, how? Maybe take this one off-List.  Confused here?  I thought you were using Gmail Account as per your shown address?  Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach?  Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact   Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)     -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective.  In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little.  I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post.  I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  store > > > > > > numberテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ãƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶   The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶   But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶   I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶   it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing.  There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam.  I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed!  Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed.  She found the necessary foam and re did the bed.  Saving the scrape pieces.  I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max.  I thought it should be covered with water.  My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top.  I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Wormâ€� that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1.  And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c".  I refer all to these sites:  http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html%c2%a0     and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38603	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

strange as I never even put a font like that.   Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´・`.・・.><((((・>.´・`.・・.´・`.・><((((・> ・.´・`.・. , .´・`..><((((・> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <・((((><.´・`.・・.´・`.・<・((((><・.´・`.・. , .´・`..<・((((><´・`.・・. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38604	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get overwhelmed with emails. Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis... or daily if you are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? If so, how? Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ステδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38605	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Did you possibly copy/paste the info from a website? I wonder if your copy/paste picked up some hidden HTML coding but I've copy/pasted from websites many times over the years and have never come across a string of Chinese symbols like that before. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread strange as I never even put a font like that. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38606	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail.  Not you its them!   Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM strange as I never even put a font like that.   Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little.  I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post.  I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  store > > > > > > numberテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ãƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶   The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶   But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶   I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶   it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテã�¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテã�¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã�¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing.  There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam.  I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed!  Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed.  She found the necessary foam and re did the bed.  Saving the scrape pieces.  I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max.  I thought it should be covered with water.  My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top.  I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Wormâ€� that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1.  And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c".  I refer all to these sites:  http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html%c2%a0     and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ´・`.・・.><((((・>.´・`.・・.´・`.・><((((・> ・.´・`.・. , .´・`..><((((・> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <・((((><.´・`.・・.´・`.・<・((((><・.´・`.・. , .´・`..<・((((><´・`.・・. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38607	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

no I just typed a response and sent it. wonder if there is a bug on the laptop I am using am doing a scan on it now. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:25 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Did you possibly copy/paste the info from a website? I wonder if your copy/paste picked up some hidden HTML coding but I've copy/pasted from websites many times over the years and have never come across a string of Chinese symbols like that before. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread strange as I never even put a font like that. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, belo w my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス=0 A> > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつステδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >20> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- -Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッ つセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month=2 0like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテつセテ「竄ャナ。テδッテつソテつス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why20they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm” that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38608	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get overwhelmed with emails. Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis... or daily if you are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? If so, how? Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ステδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese characters still have me a little baffled. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM strange as I never even put a font like that.  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤スã > > ƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã ¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38610	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Yeah. Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will have different agreements with different countries. Apparently Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo accounts. Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access. I know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and they grandfathered you in. At one time, on one of my old Hotmail accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account. Eventually, they took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail. I hope Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get overwhelmed with emails. Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis... or daily if you are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? If so, how? Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Len, I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. Bill --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ステδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the old > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you should not have any issues with it. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38611	From: bill1433	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Len, thanks for the link

Still working here by cutting and pasting from MS Word over to here.  I went back to Rich Text to get the spell checker back but some messages are coded as you could probably see, or maybe not.  If your downloading from here back into your Gmail account as I think you are, they may look entirely different on your end.  Just sick of having my messages come out "Goofy Looking"!  I mean even for me!  Thanks again for the group link and already joined.  I may have issues in  setting up and drawing mail from over there but its really starting to get a bit out of hand over here.   Whatever I am doing, I'm doing it wrong because only some messages of members are affected.  Ray Wentz for instance, his mail always looks good.   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38612	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

They have me baffled as well.  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:22 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese characters still have me a little baffled. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: t oddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM strange as I never even put a font like that.  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Kate, I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddsw oman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mai lto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > 2338 > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤スã > > ƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã ¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogro ups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > get me a > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > paper work > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > or item > > > > number that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > close > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > they sell all of > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > >20> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLif e] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > that removes > > > > ammonia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > already it has > > > > picked up a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > to vacuum > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint %40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > from? > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > Wal-Mart with > > > > a > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > "Kit". >20> > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > filter for > > > > another tank > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > and don't > > > > think much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > i > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > information on > > > > this > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤3‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > had to get > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッム㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > The old > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > was working > > > > pretty > > > > > > good > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > it > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > checked > > > > everything out. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > filter. has > > > > the > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > nitrates. Has a > > > > bio > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > the o ld > > > > filter on both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > on one side of > > > > the new filter. > >=2 0> > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > change > > > > the filters > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > know the bio > > > > filters > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > bottom of > > > > the out flow > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLif e <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this special foam. I’ll try to be brief. Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as foreign objects out of it. As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to dat e you should not have any issues with it. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38613	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: About Betsy, my Angelfish

Hello Everyone!!!   I just wanted to share this site to everyone here.  Last week, after moving my angelfish to our new apartment.  We had no choice but to move to another complex.  I had covered her in a bucket of her water, and covered it with a plastic bag so it won't be light inside her bucket.  After the move, I put the tank up and got the water up immediately.  I put her in and the next day, She was consitipating!!!  She was swimming sideways, and upside down.  I was shocked.  I went to the site and read to add epsom salt.. and it actually worked!!!! She is fine and back to her old self.  I'm so very glad she is doing much better and being happy to be in our new home.  Here's the site about the Angelfish.  For those who have an Angelfish, Here is the link.  http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/archive/index.php?t-651.html   It was very helpful.  Let me know how to move an angelfish next time.  Thanks!!! Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38614	From: yofiguy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid

to answer your question plexy to glass you answered 2 of the questions the third was lid shape any hints I want J Z L I or flat --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > What are you gluing? What kind of material? If the tank is glass, most > manufacturers use aquarium silicone so that if one of the glass panes ever > break, it can be repaired more easily. If you use a more permanent product > like a clear 2-part epoxy, like that used on acrylic aquariums, then doing > repairs are a much harder task. Fortunately, acrylic doesn't break as > easily as glass. You still need to use a product that will not dissolve or > leach into water since even moisture, etc., could cause problems if the glue > leaches or dissolves. Also, by using silicone, if you ever want to > reconfigure the sump or go back to using it as a tank, it will be easier to > remove the added panels/separators. > > Bio-balls never need to be replaced. As far as refreshing them, they should > be rinsed in some removed tank water whenever you do filter maintenance > (usually weekly or more often on overstocked or undersized tanks). All they > do is provide a medium with a lot of surface area on them to grow large > colonies of nitrifying bacteria. By having bio-balls or bio-max or some > other media like that, it does make it easier on the nitrogen cycle if > someone ever over cleans the rest of the filter media (sponges, floss pads, > etc.) or replaces any part of them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of yofiguy > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] "glue" bio-balls and lid > > I am currently modifying a 30 gallon (113.4 L) tank into an overflow wet/dry > filter. this is going to be a three part question and answer. #1 for the > "glue" to the lid support do I need to use aquarium silicone or could I use > any clear bonding agent(area will not see water often if at all)? #2 how > often do bio-balls need refreshing or replaced? #3 bio-ball compartment > will have a lid on top the shape Z I J flat or what? I am using very thick > plexy glass. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38615	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish

I think I have a tetra that I think is constipated, it can swim fine when it tries hard, but when it stops working at it it flips upside down again and swims kind of sideways. I'm going to try an epsom salt bath like I did for my betta when she had issues. Glad it worked for you, I had a male betta that didn't recover, but it helped out my female betta, I'm hoping my tetra pulls through. My LFS has no selection for meds, it's pointless for me to check, they have like 3 kinds at the most. If I want meds that will work I have to order them off the internet :( Amber Dave H. wrote: > > Hello Everyone!!! > > I just wanted to share this site to everyone here. Last week, after > moving my angelfish to our new apartment. We had no choice but to > move to another complex. I had covered her in a bucket of her water, > and covered it with a plastic bag so it won't be light inside her > bucket. After the move, I put the tank up and got the water up > immediately. I put her in and the next day, She was consitipating!!! > She was swimming sideways, and upside down. I was shocked. I went to > the site and read to add epsom salt.. and it actually worked!!!! She > is fine and back to her old self. I'm so very glad she is doing much > better and being happy to be in our new home. Here's the site about > the Angelfish. For those who have an Angelfish, Here is the link. > > http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/archive/index.php?t-651.html > <http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/archive/index.php?t-651.html> > > It was very helpful. Let me know how to move an angelfish next time. > Thanks!!! Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38616	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

Okay, apparently the room that I keep my 55 gallon is is very warm or something. I have no heater in it (just water and decorations), and the temp sits at a steady 80 degrees. I filled the tank last night and I'm letting it run for a couple days to see how steady the temps sit. I may have to heat up the 125 gallon downstairs to 80 so it doesn't shock any fish I move over, it sits around 78, so it's not a big difference. If I get more water flow in the tank will that help cool the water down a little? When I kept a heater in the tank it never seemed to turn on and the temp was always at 80, sometimes higher in the summer. The tank sits in front of a window, so I can keep it cracked to help keep the room cooler. It's the computer room so I think all the extra heat from the computers boosts my normal room temp up a bit. I'm wondering if I really even need a heater for this tank, I suppose I could snag one out of the big tank downstairs temporarily. My house temps are always about 75 sometimes higher, so the temps in the tank may drop down a little at night, but not much since the computers are usually always on. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Was just sharing. I'm not sure if an Aquaclear 110 an a Rena filstar xp > 4 would be over doing it too much though. Sites recommend that the > hillstream loaches have a filter setup that cycles the tank a minimum of > 10 times an hour, and of course the higher the better as they like fast > flowing streams. I suppose I can see if it's too much power for the > guppy's and danio's. > Any thoughts? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any > questions. Were > > you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > > > > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > > > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > > > > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering what > > > I was smoking? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > > > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big tank > > > upstairs and then move the filters around and have them hanging on the > > > front of the tank instead of the back. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but I > > > still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. Now > > > that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot cheaper for > > > me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > > > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get the > > > tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already cycled > > > filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the Aquaclear > > > will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put that one on the > > > 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > > > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to sink > > > on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several weeks. I > > > washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into the tank and > > > then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot out of the > > > dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) LOL. I put > > > pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays put. I haven't > > > decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > > > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got a > > > nice amount of algae growing already. > > > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > > > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy watching > > > them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) poor guys. Will > > > have to go check the LFS to see what they have in stock and I think > > > I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank as they glow nicely > > > under the night lights :). They will be good companion's for the > > > loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same with the guppies, so the > > > fry will probably move upstairs soon (to that tricked out 55 gallon in > > > the "sky" > > > upstairs lol). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38617	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid

I saw the J Z L I but honestly, wasn't sure what you were talking about. Do you have any websites you are using for a reference in making this? I make most of my tank lids out of plexiglass cut to fit inside the frame, sitting on the lip of the frame. Then I make cut outs for the things I'm going to put on the tank and a hole in the front to feed the fish through or to lift the plexiglass up by. I have my light fixtures sitting right on the top of the tank/plexiglass and just slide them to the back and then slide out each piece of plexiglass as needed to to tank maintenance. I know you said plexiglass as far as the dividers for the sump, but if the original tank is glass, you should probably use silicone, in case one of the glass panels ever need to be replaced. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yofiguy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: "glue" bio-balls and lid to answer your question plexy to glass you answered 2 of the questions the third was lid shape any hints I want J Z L I or flat --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > What are you gluing? What kind of material? If the tank is glass, > most manufacturers use aquarium silicone so that if one of the glass > panes ever break, it can be repaired more easily. If you use a more > permanent product like a clear 2-part epoxy, like that used on acrylic > aquariums, then doing repairs are a much harder task. Fortunately, > acrylic doesn't break as easily as glass. You still need to use a > product that will not dissolve or leach into water since even > moisture, etc., could cause problems if the glue leaches or dissolves. > Also, by using silicone, if you ever want to reconfigure the sump or > go back to using it as a tank, it will be easier to remove the added panels/separators. > > Bio-balls never need to be replaced. As far as refreshing them, they > should be rinsed in some removed tank water whenever you do filter > maintenance (usually weekly or more often on overstocked or undersized > tanks). All they do is provide a medium with a lot of surface area on > them to grow large colonies of nitrifying bacteria. By having > bio-balls or bio-max or some other media like that, it does make it > easier on the nitrogen cycle if someone ever over cleans the rest of > the filter media (sponges, floss pads, > etc.) or replaces any part of them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of yofiguy > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] "glue" bio-balls and lid > > I am currently modifying a 30 gallon (113.4 L) tank into an overflow > wet/dry filter. this is going to be a three part question and answer. > #1 for the "glue" to the lid support do I need to use aquarium > silicone or could I use any clear bonding agent(area will not see > water often if at all)? #2 how often do bio-balls need refreshing or > replaced? #3 bio-ball compartment will have a lid on top the shape Z > I J flat or what? I am using very thick plexy glass.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38618	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish

For goldfish, we can actually put a grain of epsom salt in a piece of pea and let them eat it. It works much faster that way. I'm not sure that would work for a small fish though. If the fish isn't eating, then you have to add the epsom salt to the hospital tank and let the osmoregulatory system work it out. Read more below though. Here's a snip from: http://www.koitime.com/goldfishguy/GoldfishInfo/goldfish_health.htm#Fish%20f loating%20upside%20down. (START SNIP) Fish floating upside down. This indicates a condition know as swim bladder disorder or flip over. This condition is common in round bodied goldfish. The swim bladder is actually two small bags of air inside the goldfish that when working properly gives the fish neutral buoyancy in the water. To control the amount of air in the swim bladder there is a duct (called the stom) that attaches the swim bladder to the esophagus. This allows air to be released from the swim bladder through the esophagus. The problem occurs when the stom becomes blocked or damaged. This damage can be from chronic digestive problems, internal parasites, bacterial pathogens, or a mass such as a tumor pressing on the stom that prevents air from being vented from the swim bladder through the esophagus. Also, chronic high nitrates have been identified as causing damage to the stom. Which leads to the fish floating. Treatment: When floating is first noted stop feeding for 3 days then feed frozen peas that have been defrosted and shelled. This will help clean out the digestive system. If floating continues then pre-soak pelleted food in a container with 1 ounce water and a pinch of Epsom Salts. Soak for 10-15 minutes then discard the solution and feed the pellets. Try this only once or twice as regular ingestion of Epsom Salts will harm the fish's digestive system. These methods work in the early stages of digestive related floating and can help control the floating to allow the fish to live a reasonably normal life. Once a fish begins to float upside down a good percentage of the time or all the time then it may be the beginning of the end. Goldfish really can't eat and digest food properly when upside down all the time and they will eventually become weak and susceptible to parasites or bacterial pathogens. It's time to consider the humane choice of euthanizing the fish. As of this writing there is some research and surgery being performed to correct floating caused by swim bladder problems. This work is being done by Dr. Erik Johnson in Marietta, Georgia. (END SNIP) Here's some other ideas. http://www.goldfishinfo.com/ailment1.htm#constipation (read about soaking flake food in castor oil) And a reliable thread about dosing for a three day dip in Epsom Salted water. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=226403 http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13878 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish I think I have a tetra that I think is constipated, it can swim fine when it tries hard, but when it stops working at it it flips upside down again and swims kind of sideways. I'm going to try an epsom salt bath like I did for my betta when she had issues. Glad it worked for you, I had a male betta that didn't recover, but it helped out my female betta, I'm hoping my tetra pulls through. My LFS has no selection for meds, it's pointless for me to check, they have like 3 kinds at the most. If I want meds that will work I have to order them off the internet :( Amber Dave H. wrote: > > Hello Everyone!!! > > I just wanted to share this site to everyone here. Last week, after > moving my angelfish to our new apartment. We had no choice but to > move to another complex. I had covered her in a bucket of her water, > and covered it with a plastic bag so it won't be light inside her > bucket. After the move, I put the tank up and got the water up > immediately. I put her in and the next day, She was consitipating!!! > She was swimming sideways, and upside down. I was shocked. I went to > the site and read to add epsom salt.. and it actually worked!!!! She > is fine and back to her old self. I'm so very glad she is doing much > better and being happy to be in our new home. Here's the site about > the Angelfish. For those who have an Angelfish, Here is the link. > > http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/archive/index.php?t-651.html > <http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/archive/index.php?t-651.html> > > It was very helpful. Let me know how to move an angelfish next time. > Thanks!!! Dave >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38619	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

It's upstairs. Heat rises. All upstairs rooms are hotter in townhome or two story homes unless there is a door at the top of the stairs and a separate A/C system for upstairs. Surface agitation will help with evaporation, which will help cool down the water a little but it's not likely to come down much below the ambient room temp.. maybe 1-2 degrees F. Are you allowed to put in a window A/C unit? I know you live in a Condo and probably have rules about what you can and can't do. Something else they make is a powered vent, that fits over your current A/C vent and plugs in and has a separate fan where you can have the A/C vent into that room constantly sucking air in so it will hopefully suck in some of the cooler air from downstairs. This depends on how the vents are run. If the vent to the room is off of a T from a main line going to upstairs, then all it will do is suck in warm air from the other rooms... since warm air rises. If you do have a common vent line going to the upstairs rooms, then reverse the fan so that it is blowing out the hot air that rises in that room and then cooler air will come into the room from under the door helping to keep the room a little cooler. Once again, we're only talking a couple of degrees at most but that can be a world of a difference. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up Okay, apparently the room that I keep my 55 gallon is is very warm or something. I have no heater in it (just water and decorations), and the temp sits at a steady 80 degrees. I filled the tank last night and I'm letting it run for a couple days to see how steady the temps sit. I may have to heat up the 125 gallon downstairs to 80 so it doesn't shock any fish I move over, it sits around 78, so it's not a big difference. If I get more water flow in the tank will that help cool the water down a little? When I kept a heater in the tank it never seemed to turn on and the temp was always at 80, sometimes higher in the summer. The tank sits in front of a window, so I can keep it cracked to help keep the room cooler. It's the computer room so I think all the extra heat from the computers boosts my normal room temp up a bit. I'm wondering if I really even need a heater for this tank, I suppose I could snag one out of the big tank downstairs temporarily. My house temps are always about 75 sometimes higher, so the temps in the tank may drop down a little at night, but not much since the computers are usually always on. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Was just sharing. I'm not sure if an Aquaclear 110 an a Rena filstar > xp > 4 would be over doing it too much though. Sites recommend that the > hillstream loaches have a filter setup that cycles the tank a minimum > of 10 times an hour, and of course the higher the better as they like > fast flowing streams. I suppose I can see if it's too much power for > the guppy's and danio's. > Any thoughts? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any > questions. Were > > you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > > > > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > > > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > > > > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering > > > what I was smoking? LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > > > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big > > > tank upstairs and then move the filters around and have them > > > hanging on the front of the tank instead of the back. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but > > > I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. > > > Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot > > > cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > > > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get > > > the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already > > > cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the > > > Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put > > > that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > > > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to > > > sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several > > > weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into > > > the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot > > > out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) > > > LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays > > > put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > > > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got > > > a nice amount of algae growing already. > > > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > > > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy > > > watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) > > > poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in > > > stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank > > > as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good > > > companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same > > > with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to > > > that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" > > > upstairs lol). > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38620	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to have an A/C unit in my window, never asked. It's Alaska so there aren't very many people who use A/C units ;) LOL. I don't even know if there are any for sale in town. I turned down the temps upstairs for now to see if that helps. I also have no vents in my condo except the kitchen and bathroom. All of my heating is baseboard heating from the boiler system (huge waste of money). I'll just have to make do with turning down the temps upstairs to see how the tank sits ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It's upstairs. Heat rises. All upstairs rooms are hotter in townhome or > two story homes unless there is a door at the top of the stairs and a > separate A/C system for upstairs. Surface agitation will help with > evaporation, which will help cool down the water a little but it's not > likely to come down much below the ambient room temp.. maybe 1-2 > degrees F. > > Are you allowed to put in a window A/C unit? I know you live in a > Condo and > probably have rules about what you can and can't do. Something else they > make is a powered vent, that fits over your current A/C vent and plugs in > and has a separate fan where you can have the A/C vent into that room > constantly sucking air in so it will hopefully suck in some of the cooler > air from downstairs. This depends on how the vents are run. If the vent to > the room is off of a T from a main line going to upstairs, then all it > will > do is suck in warm air from the other rooms... since warm air rises. > If you > do have a common vent line going to the upstairs rooms, then reverse > the fan > so that it is blowing out the hot air that rises in that room and then > cooler air will come into the room from under the door helping to keep the > room a little cooler. Once again, we're only talking a couple of > degrees at > most but that can be a world of a difference. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > Okay, apparently the room that I keep my 55 gallon is is very warm or > something. I have no heater in it (just water and decorations), and > the temp > sits at a steady 80 degrees. I filled the tank last night and I'm > letting it > run for a couple days to see how steady the temps sit. > I may have to heat up the 125 gallon downstairs to 80 so it doesn't shock > any fish I move over, it sits around 78, so it's not a big difference. > If I get more water flow in the tank will that help cool the water down a > little? When I kept a heater in the tank it never seemed to turn on > and the > temp was always at 80, sometimes higher in the summer. The tank sits in > front of a window, so I can keep it cracked to help keep the room cooler. > It's the computer room so I think all the extra heat from the computers > boosts my normal room temp up a bit. I'm wondering if I really even need a > heater for this tank, I suppose I could snag one out of the big tank > downstairs temporarily. My house temps are always about > 75 sometimes higher, so the temps in the tank may drop down a little at > night, but not much since the computers are usually always on. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Was just sharing. I'm not sure if an Aquaclear 110 an a Rena filstar > > xp > > 4 would be over doing it too much though. Sites recommend that the > > hillstream loaches have a filter setup that cycles the tank a minimum > > of 10 times an hour, and of course the higher the better as they like > > fast flowing streams. I suppose I can see if it's too much power for > > the guppy's and danio's. > > Any thoughts? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any > > questions. Were > > > you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > > > > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > > > > > > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering > > > > what I was smoking? LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > > > > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big > > > > tank upstairs and then move the filters around and have them > > > > hanging on the front of the tank instead of the back. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but > > > > I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. > > > > Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot > > > > cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > > > > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get > > > > the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already > > > > cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the > > > > Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put > > > > that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > > > > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to > > > > sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several > > > > weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into > > > > the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot > > > > out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) > > > > LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays > > > > put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > > > > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got > > > > a nice amount of algae growing already. > > > > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > > > > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy > > > > watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) > > > > poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in > > > > stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank > > > > as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good > > > > companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same > > > > with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to > > > > that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" > > > > upstairs lol). > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38621	From: tootsie2toes2	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: cloudy water with foam on the top

No matter what I do (changing water etc.), I never have clear water and there is always foam on the top. Over the years, I have had a lot, and I mean a lot of those small snails. I have to weed every week. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to see my fish through the glass. I wonder if the foam is from all the dead snail shells on the bottom.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38622	From: greychildren	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs

I want to get some of these guys. i read there non carnivorous will only eat algae..what do you guys think? sense my tank now is heavy planted

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38623	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Now, that I have seen them, they look to be more like Japanese characters than Chinese. You all are going to need to get you kanji character sets correct. Had it been Chinese, I could have asked one of my partners if they actually meant anything. And, Lenny, I really do not know all that much about Outlook when it comes to POP mail, and even less if it is IMAP. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. > > I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the > email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking > symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL > > http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg > > http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg > > The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese > characters still have me a little baffled. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > strange as I never even put a font like that.  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I > found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38624	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah. Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will have different > agreements with different countries. Apparently Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond > free POP with the free Yahoo accounts. Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay > around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access. I know I have one > of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo > started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian > Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and they grandfathered > you in. At one time, on one of my old Hotmail accounts, they had POP access and I was > grandfathered in when Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account. Eventually, they > took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail. I hope Google > doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. If they do, I'm sure another > start up will offer free email with POP and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail > accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have > Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and > manage my email via Outlook. > > If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent > poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a > member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get overwhelmed > with emails. > > Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail > and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > > Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail > account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use > Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. Further, > as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me > since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, which > are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up > your Outlook inbox. > > On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, > it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis... or daily if you > are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally > put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting > good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's > have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set the > time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email > accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just > empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > If so, how? > Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as per > your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text > and still have a spell checker. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not > effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here > and not with MS Word. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what > I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped > down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > > get me a > > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > 2338 > > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ステδッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > > get me a > > > > > new filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the > > > paper work > > > > > for it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store > > > or item > > > > > number that > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store > > > close > > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a > > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or > > > > > > > > can't get the entire > > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But > > > they sell all of > > > > > the replacement > > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor > > > it!テ 窶 > > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > > had to get > > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > > 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it > > > from Wal-mart. It > > > > > cost about 37.50 > > > > > > > > (includes > > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part > > > that removes > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > nitrates > > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and > > > already it has > > > > > picked up a > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance > > > to vacuum > > > > > up yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 > > > am > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > > had to get > > > > > me a new > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > > A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter > > > from? > > > > > > > > > I have one that came from > > > Wal-Mart with > > > > > a > > > > > > > 29-Gallon > > > > > > > > "Kit". > > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same > > > filter for > > > > > another tank > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > don't have it! > > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead > > > and don't > > > > > think much > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > Can you give me more > > > information on > > > > > this > > > > > > > purchase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > > had to get > > > > > me a new > > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, > > > 2009, 5:46 > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > The old > > > > > one I could feel the > > > > > > > motor running > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > it wasn't > > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, > > > was working > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > a pwc > > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did > > > it > > > > > wouldn't work at > > > > > > > all.. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > took it apart and > > > checked > > > > > everything out. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > filter is > > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power > > > filter. has > > > > > the > > > > > > > capability of > > > > > > > > > removing > > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and > > > nitrates. Has a > > > > > bio > > > > > > > filter and > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed > > > the old > > > > > filter on both > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > regular > > > > > > > > > > filters and have > > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating > > > on one side of > > > > > the new filter. > > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to > > > change > > > > > the filters > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > month like > > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I > > > know the bio > > > > > filters > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > be changed. > > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the > > > bottom of > > > > > the out flow > > > > > > > do I > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > keep the water > > > level?0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this > special foam. I’ll try to be brief. > > Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily > understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. > To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or > should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the > scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. > > Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 > actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as > foreign objects out of it. > > As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group > covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. > > If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the > new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an > April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: > http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and > http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 > > Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you > should not have any issues with it. > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38625	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: cloudy water with foam on the top

Foam is normally a sign of high DOCs, Dissolved Organic Carbons. If the cloudiness of the water is greyish, or white, then the amount of DOCs may have a bearing here. You mention a lot of snails and snail shells at the bottom of the tank. This could be the source of your problem. You do not give any water parameters, so we really have nothing to go on there, and this could help a lot in solving your problem. By water parameters, I mean ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate readings along with the pH and temperature of your tank. Also, you mention fish, but no sizes or counts of the fish, and no mention of the size of the tank. These could be important in resolving your issues. First thing I would do, after checking your water parameters, is to lose all those snail shells in the tank. You can probably just siphon them up during a water change, otherwise, you will need to pick them out by hand. Next step is to at least reduce the population of snails. You can help do this by placing a lettuce leaf on the side of the tank using a plastic clip, or anchoring on the bottom of the tank shortly before lights out, then removing it in the morning--it should be fairly well populated by the snails. Once you have gotten the snail population down, you should see fewer dying and your DOCs should start coming down, along with your water clearing \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > tootsie2toes2 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] cloudy water with foam on the top > > No matter what I do (changing water etc.), I never have clear water and there is always foam > on the top. Over the years, I have had a lot, and I mean a lot of those small snails. I have to > weed every week. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to see my fish through the glass. I wonder if > the foam is from all the dead snail shells on the bottom. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon finally set up

OK. Do you have any kind of air-conditioner system that cools things off if y'all ever get hot up there? It sounds like you just have a heating system. Sears and Wal-Marts should sell small window A/C units for around $150.00 or less... at least that's what I paid for mine for hurricane purposes down here. If you can't have a window A/C unit, then a dehumidifier in the room with the tank might help. I've never used one but one thing that an A/C does is dehumidify the air as part of the cooling process. You know the saying, it's not the heat, it's the humidity. Of course, that's for us mere humans where drier air feels more comfortable than humid air because we perspire. Fish don't perspire... well, I don't think they do. LOL Since you don't have vents into each room, you could get a little inventive and mount a directional fan (like the kind that sits on the floor) except have it hanging from the ceiling above your door and blowing the hot air from the top of the room out of the door. This would cause cooler air on the floor of the rest of the upstairs to constantly circulate into your fish room. I do that with one of my rooms in my house that gets a lot hotter than the rest of the house. I place a small 12" fan on the floor by the doorway blowing cooler floor air into that room 24/7 otherwise the rest of the house is 72-73F and that room is near 80F. It has two brick walls that get the morning and all day sun so that room is like a brick oven. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up I'm not sure if I'm allowed to have an A/C unit in my window, never asked. It's Alaska so there aren't very many people who use A/C units ;) LOL. I don't even know if there are any for sale in town. I turned down the temps upstairs for now to see if that helps. I also have no vents in my condo except the kitchen and bathroom. All of my heating is baseboard heating from the boiler system (huge waste of money). I'll just have to make do with turning down the temps upstairs to see how the tank sits ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > It's upstairs. Heat rises. All upstairs rooms are hotter in townhome or > two story homes unless there is a door at the top of the stairs and a > separate A/C system for upstairs. Surface agitation will help with > evaporation, which will help cool down the water a little but it's not > likely to come down much below the ambient room temp.. maybe 1-2 > degrees F. > > Are you allowed to put in a window A/C unit? I know you live in a > Condo and > probably have rules about what you can and can't do. Something else they > make is a powered vent, that fits over your current A/C vent and plugs in > and has a separate fan where you can have the A/C vent into that room > constantly sucking air in so it will hopefully suck in some of the cooler > air from downstairs. This depends on how the vents are run. If the vent to > the room is off of a T from a main line going to upstairs, then all it > will > do is suck in warm air from the other rooms... since warm air rises. > If you > do have a common vent line going to the upstairs rooms, then reverse > the fan > so that it is blowing out the hot air that rises in that room and then > cooler air will come into the room from under the door helping to keep the > room a little cooler. Once again, we're only talking a couple of > degrees at > most but that can be a world of a difference. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > Okay, apparently the room that I keep my 55 gallon is is very warm or > something. I have no heater in it (just water and decorations), and > the temp > sits at a steady 80 degrees. I filled the tank last night and I'm > letting it > run for a couple days to see how steady the temps sit. > I may have to heat up the 125 gallon downstairs to 80 so it doesn't shock > any fish I move over, it sits around 78, so it's not a big difference. > If I get more water flow in the tank will that help cool the water down a > little? When I kept a heater in the tank it never seemed to turn on > and the > temp was always at 80, sometimes higher in the summer. The tank sits in > front of a window, so I can keep it cracked to help keep the room cooler. > It's the computer room so I think all the extra heat from the computers > boosts my normal room temp up a bit. I'm wondering if I really even need a > heater for this tank, I suppose I could snag one out of the big tank > downstairs temporarily. My house temps are always about > 75 sometimes higher, so the temps in the tank may drop down a little at > night, but not much since the computers are usually always on. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Was just sharing. I'm not sure if an Aquaclear 110 an a Rena filstar > > xp > > 4 would be over doing it too much though. Sites recommend that the > > hillstream loaches have a filter setup that cycles the tank a minimum > > of 10 times an hour, and of course the higher the better as they like > > fast flowing streams. I suppose I can see if it's too much power for > > the guppy's and danio's. > > Any thoughts? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > So... looking over your OP again... I don't really see any > > questions. Were > > > you just giving us a heads-up or did I miss something? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:22 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > Yes, how mean :P LOL. Anyways, good one Lenny, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > APRIL FOOLS!!!! > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know.... it's not 4/1 out there in Alaska yet but it's a > > > > little after midnight here so I had to do it to someone. LOL > > > > > > > > So... did I have you scratching your head for a minute wondering > > > > what I was smoking? LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com>] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:17 AM > > > > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>' > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > > > Hmmmm... I think you should move the 55G downstairs and the big > > > > tank upstairs and then move the filters around and have them > > > > hanging on the front of the tank instead of the back. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:50 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon finally set up > > > > > > > > So I haven't done the background, and not sure if I will yet, but > > > > I still have all the supplies handy for if/when I want to do it. > > > > Now that our walmart can get in the 55 gallon kits it's a lot > > > > cheaper for me to think of possibly getting another tank some day. > > > > I have just the Rena Filstar Xp4 running on it so far, just to get > > > > the tank nice and clean. I am going to put one of the already > > > > cycled filters on it as well from the big tank downstairs. If the > > > > Aquaclear will fit behind the back of the tank I'm going to put > > > > that one on the 55, but will have to see, haven't measured yet. > > > > I managed to soak a piece of driftwood long enough to get it to > > > > sink on it's own. It took hmm, maybe a month? At least several > > > > weeks. I washed it in the dishwasher again before putting it into > > > > the tank and then put it into the 55 gallon while it was still hot > > > > out of the dishwasher (no dry cycle). It sank like a light rock ;) > > > > LOL. I put pieces of slate up against it just to be sure it stays > > > > put. I haven't decided what fish I'm going to move over yet. > > > > I'm not going to put the hillstream loaches into it until it's got > > > > a nice amount of algae growing already. > > > > I also noticed that in the last 2 months I've lost a couple of my > > > > glofish danio's, I'll have to replace them, as I really enjoy > > > > watching them, and they're school is now gotten rather small ;) > > > > poor guys. Will have to go check the LFS to see what they have in > > > > stock and I think I'm going to put them all in the 55 gallon tank > > > > as they glow nicely under the night lights :). They will be good > > > > companion's for the loaches as they don't mind cooler water, same > > > > with the guppies, so the fry will probably move upstairs soon (to > > > > that tricked out 55 gallon in the "sky" > > > > upstairs lol). > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38627	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: cloudy water with foam on the top

Yes, foam on the surface of water is quite often and most often due to protein levels in the aquarium or pond. Some medications will also cause foam but you did not indicate this. It means you have too much of a bioload for the tank or you are overfeeding or not doing enough PWC's (partial water changes) and tank maintenance. Excessive snails usually means that you are overfeeding or not vacuuming your gravel sufficiently. Snails are opportunistic breeders and will only populate a tank to a level that the food will sustain them. If there's not food, they'll quit breeding and slowly die off. Tell us more about your tank (size, fish load, filter system(s), etc.), your water test results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. Also tell us your normal maintenance schedule for PWC's, gravel vacuuming, filter maintenance, etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tootsie2toes2 Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cloudy water with foam on the top No matter what I do (changing water etc.), I never have clear water and there is always foam on the top. Over the years, I have had a lot, and I mean a lot of those small snails. I have to weed every week. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to see my fish through the glass. I wonder if the foam is from all the dead snail shells on the bottom.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38628	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs

I'll admit that I've never heard of these before until now. LOL I guess you've Googled and found these threads but just in case you haven't. Links to pics and YouTubes are in these threads. http://www.shrimpnow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3499 http://www.petshrimp.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3177&start=0&st=0&s k=t&sd=a http://www.franksaquarium.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=440 http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=270830 http://www.theshrimpfarm.com/blog/archives/188 Cherry Shrimp would be cheaper and easier but the crabs are definitely something different. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs I want to get some of these guys. i read there non carnivorous will only eat algae..what do you guys think? sense my tank now is heavy planted

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38629	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Chinese, Japanese, HTML... it all looks Greek to me! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Now, that I have seen them, they look to be more like Japanese characters than Chinese. You all are going to need to get you kanji character sets correct. Had it been Chinese, I could have asked one of my partners if they actually meant anything. And, Lenny, I really do not know all that much about Outlook when it comes to POP mail, and even less if it is IMAP. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. > > I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... > the first one of the email with the Chinese looking symbols and one > where they have now changed to HTML looking symbols if anyone wants to > look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL > > http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.j > pg > > http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jp > g > > The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but > those Chinese characters still have me a little baffled. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > strange as I never even put a font like that.  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier > replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that > when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38630	From: Troy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

The strange characters are most likely the result of a text parser misinterpreting text at the byte level. I have seen this dozens of times in my work. We even had our Chinese team members attempt to translate some once, but it was nonsense in Chinese as well. There are quite a few ways that any letter or character can be encoded. If a little bit of the encoding gets corrupted or goes missing, you often get something that looks like Chinese. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Now, that I have seen them, they look to be more like Japanese characters than Chinese. You all are going to need to get you kanji character sets correct. Had it been Chinese, I could have asked one of my partners if they actually meant anything. And, Lenny, I really do not know all that much about Outlook when it comes to POP mail, and even less if it is IMAP. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. > > I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the > email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking > symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL > > http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg > > http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg > > The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese > characters still have me a little baffled. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > strange as I never even put a font like that.  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I > found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38631	From: Troy	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving—the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny’s stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no > good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake > country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent > quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and > aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps > to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the > differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor > vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38632	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the stand would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in the front and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to tip over since an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This could easily be done in the construction phase of my tank stand or could be done with an add-on of a 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the depth of the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least 6" from the wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't want the tank rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress on the tank that it is not designed to withstand... especially if only one corner of the tank top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are reinforced concrete and designed to withstand an earthquake, then mounting the stand and thus the tank to that wall would be OK but if it's just a normal home wall with wood construction, then that wall would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the tank and stand mounted to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks living in earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low to the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then put an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and you are good to go! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > earthquake country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful > recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the > aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand > and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but > I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house > framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38633	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs

Check this link out hear. _http://www.aquariumhttp://www.http://www.aquhttp://www.http://www.a_ (http://www.aquarium-glaser.de/en/limnopilos-naiyanetri_en_1068.html) From what I have heard they are a crab version of cardina shrimps and great for planted tanks. Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38635	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: House Bill 669 - A Bill To Block The Importation Of Non-Native Speci

Sorry. I meant to change the Subject before forwarding this. Lenny --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hi Group, > > I just got the below emailed PM (below my sig) from another forum and > thought I would share the info. We had previously discussed this issue out > here back around the beginning of February, 2009 at this thread... > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36652 > > and this thread... > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36750 > > and this thread... > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/36882 > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aquaria Central [mailto:webmaster@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:36 PM > To: GoldLenny@... > Subject: New Private Message at Aquaria Central > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL! > *************************** > > Dear GoldLenny, > > You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, > entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation > of non-native species". > > To read the original version, respond to, or delete this message, you must > log in here: > http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/private.php > > This is the message that was sent: > *************** > Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, > 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative > Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how > species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the > "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all > unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, > trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would > be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included > on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be > prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners > across the nation. > > A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be > heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard > at work to stop activities involving non-native species. > > You can contact members of the subcommitte by emailing or faxing your > opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend > the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your oppositon or > request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize > like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your > representative at the same time. > > Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded > individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an > issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or tv > stations. We need to get the word out. > > More details can be found at the following link on AC > (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): > http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 > AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 > MFK Petition : > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 > > A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > > Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our > hobby. > *************** > > Again, please do not reply to this email. You must go to the following page > to reply to this private message: > http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/private.php > > All the best, > Aquaria Central >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38637	From: Lisa	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Mexican walking fish

Can they live with anything else? I was thinking of having one with my betta, my swordtails, one male guppy, and my bristle nose catfish. Now that i have an established tank, i was going to trade in my female guppies, and my cardnel tetras. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38638	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

Granted Troy, but it be fixed?   How?   Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Troy <ntevidence@...> wrote: From: Troy <ntevidence@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:29 PM The strange characters are most likely the result of a text parser misinterpreting text at the byte level.  I have seen this dozens of times in my work.  We even had our Chinese team members attempt to translate some once, but it was nonsense in Chinese as well.  There are quite a few ways that any letter or character can be encoded.  If a little bit of the encoding gets corrupted or goes missing, you often get something that looks like Chinese.  Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Now, that I have seen them, they look to be more like Japanese characters than Chinese. You all are going to need to get you kanji character sets correct. Had it been Chinese, I could have asked one of my partners if they actually meant anything. And, Lenny, I really do not know all that much about Outlook when it comes to POP mail, and even less if it is IMAP. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. > > I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the > email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking > symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL > > http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg > > http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg > > The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese > characters still have me a little baffled. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>  <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>  <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > strange as I never even put a font like that.  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>  > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I > found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38639	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights

I thought I sent this email yesterday, but it never did go through so I'll resent it.  I'll try to answer some of the questions Lenny ask.  I don't plan on adding many more fish if any.  Maybe some bottom feeders. I have four kinds of plants, Anubias nana, Cryptocoryne wendtii, Echinodorus bleheri and Java fern.  The Anubias and Java fern are slow growers and the Echinodorus is a fast grower. I am not sure about the Crypt.  The Anubias and Echinodorus are both looking good and doing well.  The Java fern and Crypt look the worst, but they did when I got them.  I have cut the hours per day of light on back since I increased the wpg. I did some water testing today as follows: pH = 7.8 KH = 5 Phosphate = 0.25 ppm Nitrate = 7.5 ppm (approx) With a KH of 5 and a pH of 7.8 the CO2 calculates to be 2.4 ppm.  This is obviously very low.  Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:18:53 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I would take it slowly. How are your plants currently doing? Are they fast growing plants or slow growers or ??? You should probably cut back on the time of lighting for now. If you use to have the lights on for 10 hours a day, I'd cut bake to 7 hours a day to give the plants a chance to acclimate. Then see how things are going and as you add more plants and fish/critters (that put out CO2), you can increase the time of lighting. There just needs to be balance between lighting, CO2 and nutrients (nitrates, phosphates, etc.) Since you've now increased the lighting intensity, you need to cut back on the duration. I'm certainly not an expert but give us more details on the plants... the exact species, how big, how many, how well they are doing, etc. Also test your CO2 levels using this chart and test. http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/art_ plant_co2chart. htm Also give us nitrates and if you have the kit, phosphates. Don't worry if you don't have a phosphate kit. I've never owned one either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:04 PM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I increased the lights to 3 wpg from 1.5 wpg on my 10 gal tank today. I used 6500k daylight bulbs. Should I add fertilizer? I only have 3 fish in the tank. The largest being about 1.75 in. The other 2 are about 1 in. This should give me many more options for plants now. I corrently have low to moderately night light plants. Sent from my iPod Jimmy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38640	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it.  Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is!   Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@...   Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will have different > agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond > free POP with the free Yahoo accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay > around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I know I have one > of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo > started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian > Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and they grandfathered > you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail accounts, they had POP access and I was > grandfathered in when Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they > took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope Google > doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day.  If they do, I'm sure another > start up will offer free email with POP and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail > accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have > Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and > manage my email via Outlook. > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent > poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a > member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get overwhelmed > with emails. > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail > and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail > account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use > Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. Further, > as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me > since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, which > are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up > your Outlook inbox. > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, > it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you > are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally > put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting > good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's > have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set the > time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email > accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just > empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? >   If so, how? >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as per > your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > >   Bill > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain text > and still have a spell checker. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not > effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here > and not with MS Word. > >   Bill > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > >   Kate, > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what > I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped > down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >   > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to >   > > get me a >   > > > > new filter >   > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, >   > > 11:50 AM >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > store >   > > > > >   > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > 2338 >   > > > > > > > phoone >   > > > > >   > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ステδッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†ã€Œç«„ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > > > 231-933-8800 >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 >   > > > > >   > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Kate Dale >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >   > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... >   > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> >   > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:52 am >   > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to >   > > get me a >   > > > > new filter >   > > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Kate, >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Would you still have any of the >   > > paper work >   > > > > for it? >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > I would need the "Wal-Mart" store >   > > or item >   > > > > number that >   > > > > > > they >   > > > > > > > use.テ 窶 The store >   > > close >   > > > > > > > to me is run by idiots a >   > > > > > > nd they claim they don't have or >   > > > > > > > can't get the entire >   > > > > > > > filter unit.テ 窶 But >   > > they sell all of >   > > > > the replacement >   > > > > > > > parts and filter padsfor >   > > it!テ 窶 >   > > > > > > > Makes a lot of sense, go figure! >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Any help, >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Bill >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > wrote: >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] >   > > had to get >   > > > > me a new >   > > > > > > filter >   > > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, >   > > 9:43 AM >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >テ 窶 I got it >   > > from Wal-mart. It >   > > > > cost about 37.50 >   > > > > > > > (includes >   > > > > > > > > tax). I just left the part >   > > that removes >   > > > > ammonia >   > > > > > > and >   > > > > > > > nitrates >   > > > > > > > > out of the filter. and >   > > already it has >   > > > > picked up a >   > > > > > > lot >   > > > > > > > of the >   > > > > > > > > debris I haven't had a chance >   > > to vacuum >   > > > > up yet. >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >テ 窶 >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Kate Dale >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >テ 窶 >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >テ 窶 >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >   > > > > > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... >   > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> >   > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 9:21 >   > > am >   > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] >   > > had to get >   > > > > me a new >   > > > > > > filter >   > > > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > > =0 >   > > > > > > > A> >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Hi Kate, >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Where did you get this filter >   > > from? >   > > > > > > > > I have one that came from >   > > Wal-Mart with >   > > > > a >   > > > > > > 29-Gallon >   > > > > > > > "Kit". >   > > > > > > > > I tried to buy the same >   > > filter for >   > > > > another tank >   > > > > > > and >   > > > > > > > they >   > > > > > > > > don't have it! >   > > > > > > > > I got an Aqua Clear instead >   > > and don't >   > > > > think much >   > > > > > > of >   > > > > > > > i >   > > > > > > t. >   > > > > > > > > Can you give me more >   > > information on >   > > > > this >   > > > > > > purchase? >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > Thanks,テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > > > Bill >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > > wrote: >   > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] >   > > had to get >   > > > > me a new >   > > > > > > > filter >   > > > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 29, >   > > 2009, 5:46 >   > > > > PM >   > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > The old >   > > > > one I could feel the >   > > > > > > motor running >   > > > > > > > but >   > > > > > > > > it wasn't >   > > > > > > > > > putting the water out, >   > > was working >   > > > > pretty >   > > > > > > good >   > > > > > > > before >   > > > > > > > > a pwc >   > > > > > > > > > but after the one I did >   > > it >   > > > > wouldn't work at >   > > > > > > all.. >   > > > > > > > I >   > > > > > > > > even >   > > > > > > > > > took it apart and >   > > checked >   > > > > everything out. >   > > > > > > The >   > > > > > > > new >   > > > > > > > > filter is >   > > > > > > > > > an Aqua Tech power >   > > filter. has >   > > > > the >   > > > > > > capability of >   > > > > > > > > removing >   > > > > > > > > > excess ammonia and >   > > nitrates. Has a >   > > > > bio >   > > > > > > filter and >   > > > > > > > a >   > > > > > > > > regular >   > > > > > > > > > filter. I have rubbed >   > > the old >   > > > > filter on both >   > > > > > > the >   > > > > > > > > regular >   > > > > > > > > > filters and have >   > > > > > > > >テ 窶 it floating >   > > on one side of >   > > > > the new filter. >   > > > > > > > > > I do wonder do I need to >   > > change >   > > > > the filters >   > > > > > > > every >   > > > > > > > > month like >   > > > > > > > > > the directions say? I >   > > know the bio >   > > > > filters >   > > > > > > will >   > > > > > > > not >   > > > > > > > > need to >   > > > > > > > > > be changed. >   > > > > > > > > > Also How far from the >   > > bottom of >   > > > > the out flow >   > > > > > > do I >   > > > > > > > need >   > > > > > > > > to >   > > > > > > > > > keep the water >   > > level?0A> > >   > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > > >テδッテ㠤セテ「竄ャナ。テδッテ㠤ソテ㠤ス >   > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:22 PM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Me thinks my comp might be acting up some. what Chinese letters lol > >   Kate Dale > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> >   To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> >   Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:15 pm >   Subject: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Thanks Len for the tip about the breathing. There’s quite a story to how I got this > special foam. I’ll try to be brief. > >   Our small dog Judy ate her bed! Since both of our dogs are spoiled rotten, you can easily > understand why they sleep on Memory Foam beds or with us. >   To that end, my wife good woman that she is, sought a replacement immediately for Judy or > should I say Judy’s bed. She found the necessary foam and re did the bed. Saving the > scrape pieces. I used one of those, cut too fit. > >   Thanks also for the Bio-Max. I thought it should be covered with water. My Aqua Clear 50 > actually has a lid for its top. I assumed it was to keep the water where is belongs as well as > foreign objects out of it. > >   As for Kate's Chinese letters/symbols, I noticed but today with the Internet and our group > covering such a broad field, I just assumed the lady could possibly be Chinese. > >   If I am reading you right though, I believe your concerns are most probably directed at the > new or updated “Worm†that is said to be upon us tomorrow, April 1. And this is NOT an > April Fool Joke. It i s called"conficker c". I refer all to these sites: > http://www.ktvu.com/news/19016409/detail.html and >   http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643 > >   Not to worry folks as long as all your anti-virus and spy ware programs are up to date you > should not have any issues with it. > >   Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38641	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38643	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

From what I have read online the solution should be 20-1 Sandi --- On Thu, 4/2/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 8:49 AM Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38644	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Mexican walking fish

Are you talking about Axolotl's? sometimes called Mexican Walking Fish... but not Mexican Walking Catfish. http://www.fishkeeping.co.uk/modules/caresheets/caresheet.php?caresheetID=98 There is also a species of catfish that is called Walking Catfish... but not Mexican Walking Catfish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_catfish Which are you talking about? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Mexican walking fish Can they live with anything else? I was thinking of having one with my betta, my swordtails, one male guppy, and my bristle nose catfish. Now that i have an established tank, i was going to trade in my female guppies, and my cardnel tetras. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38645	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: DIY Lights

The first thing I would do is decrease surface agitation. If you have an HOB filter, raise the water level as high as possible so that the waterfall is touching the water surface, if possible. If that isn't possible, then use a short piece of filter pad or sponge or something and use a attach it to the water fall so the water kind of flows through the pad/sponge into the tank creating less surface agitation. That will likely allow your CO2 to increase without having to look at additives, which aren't needed in most tanks. Of course, your KH ("Carbon"ate Hardness) is also helping to feed the plants carbon. If you read all of Chuck's article, you will have seen that it's normal for most tanks to only have 3-4ppm of CO2 and low-light, easy-to-grow plants will do OK in this situation. Yours is even lower than that so reducing surface agitation will help. Also... and this is a BIG also... test your tank first thing in the morning before you turn on the lighting (or right afterwards) and then at the end of the day, after the lights have been on all day and compare those readings. Your CO2 level will likely be much lower at the end of the day since the plants will have been sucking up CO2 all day long via photosynthesis. If your early morning/nighttime CO2 levels are higher, you could probably average them out for a truer CO2 level. Crypt's often do not do well when first moved or even when moved around inside a tank. Sometimes they will look like they completely died. This is referred to as "Crypt Melt". Just snip away dead/dying leaves and it will usually come back if you leave it alone for a few weeks. Once it's doing well, do not move it. It's OK to snip off dying leaves. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I thought I sent this email yesterday, but it never did go through so I'll resent it.  I'll try to answer some of the questions Lenny ask.  I don't plan on adding many more fish if any.  Maybe some bottom feeders. I have four kinds of plants, Anubias nana, Cryptocoryne wendtii, Echinodorus bleheri and Java fern.  The Anubias and Java fern are slow growers and the Echinodorus is a fast grower. I am not sure about the Crypt.  The Anubias and Echinodorus are both looking good and doing well.  The Java fern and Crypt look the worst, but they did when I got them.  I have cut the hours per day of light on back since I increased the wpg. I did some water testing today as follows: pH = 7.8 KH = 5 Phosphate = 0.25 ppm Nitrate = 7.5 ppm (approx) With a KH of 5 and a pH of 7.8 the CO2 calculates to be 2.4 ppm.  This is obviously very low.  Jimmy McHaney Husser, LA ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:18:53 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I would take it slowly. How are your plants currently doing? Are they fast growing plants or slow growers or ??? You should probably cut back on the time of lighting for now. If you use to have the lights on for 10 hours a day, I'd cut bake to 7 hours a day to give the plants a chance to acclimate. Then see how things are going and as you add more plants and fish/critters (that put out CO2), you can increase the time of lighting. There just needs to be balance between lighting, CO2 and nutrients (nitrates, phosphates, etc.) Since you've now increased the lighting intensity, you need to cut back on the duration. I'm certainly not an expert but give us more details on the plants... the exact species, how big, how many, how well they are doing, etc. Also test your CO2 levels using this chart and test. http://www.csd. net/~cgadd/ aqua/art_ plant_co2chart. htm Also give us nitrates and if you have the kit, phosphates. Don't worry if you don't have a phosphate kit. I've never owned one either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:04 PM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] DIY Lights I increased the lights to 3 wpg from 1.5 wpg on my 10 gal tank today. I used 6500k daylight bulbs. Should I add fertilizer? I only have 3 fish in the tank. The largest being about 1.75 in. The other 2 are about 1 in. This should give me many more options for plants now. I corrently have low to moderately night light plants. Sent from my iPod Jimmy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38646	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address. I'm looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used. When you sign into the mail, on the top right, there is an Options link. Click on that. The first thing I see under the General section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is to compose mail with colour and graphics. I would make that plain text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters. Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail. The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders. Gmail gives many more options. They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new email address. Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way? My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day. Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! Computer questions from this? Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@... Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah. Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > have different agreements with different countries. Apparently Yahoo > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > accounts. Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access. I > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > they grandfathered you in. At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > changed to charging for it's Plus account. Eventually, they took away > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail. I hope > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from >Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. > > If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo >Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also >recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so >you won't get overwhelmed with emails. > > Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been >discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > > Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years >will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts >to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a >paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the >Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. > > On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or >freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you are looking for >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will >occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other >email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others >allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > If so, how? > Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were >using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the >editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked >about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box >you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a >copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of >Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > > get me a > > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > 2338 > > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ãƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã ¤ã‚»ãƒ†>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38647	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

WHAT??? What happened to your 29G? I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine? I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness. OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used. Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas. Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38648	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Let's try this again.   I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group..   I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it????????????????   On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, on the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the General section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives many more options. They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it.  Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@... Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day.  > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo  >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox.. > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? >   If so, how? >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > >   Bill > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word.. > >   Bill > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > >   Kate, > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >   > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to >   > > get me a >   > > > > new filter >   > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, >   > > 11:50 AM >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > store >   > > > > >   > > numberãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > 2338 >   > > > > > > > phoone >   > > > > >   > > numberãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤スãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã  ¤ã‚»ãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > > > 231-933-8800 >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 >   > > > > >   > > gallonãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38649	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38650	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL I use Outlook 2003 as my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next to the "Welcome, Bill" section. Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your primary email address for the group. While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now. Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and get things in plain text instead of HTML. That will keep things plain and simple! You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account. Once that happens, you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it. I used it as my only email account for a while but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real account. This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Let's try this again. I used plain text as per your instructions, na da. It worked for a bit then came the coding again. Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that. You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and receive over here. Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. I am just trying to do the same. Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here. I just want to know how to do it???????????????? On a fishy note? My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one. Fun, fun, fun! Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address. I'm looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used. When you sign into the mail, on the top right, there is an Options link. Click on that. The first thing I see under the General section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is to compose mail with colour and graphics. I would make that plain text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters. Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail. The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders. Gmail gives many more options. They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new email address. Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way? My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day. Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! Computer questions from this? Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@... Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah. Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > have different agreements with different countries. Apparently Yahoo > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > accounts. Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access. I > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > they grandfathered you in. At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > changed to charging for it's Plus account. Eventually, they took away > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail. I hope > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from >Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. > > If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo >Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also >recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so >you won't get overwhelmed with emails. > > Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been >discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > > Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years >will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts >to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a >paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox.. > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the >Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. > > On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or >freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you are looking for >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will >occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other >email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others >allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > If so, how? > Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were >using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the >editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Len, > > I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked >about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box >you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word.. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a >copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of >Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > > get me a > > > > > new filter > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > 2338 > > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > > > numberテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ãƒ†Î´ãƒƒãƒ†ã ¤ã‚»ãƒ†>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > > > gallonテδッテ㠤セテ>「竄ャナ。テδッテã >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38651	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the "family" mail.  I try not to do this because of personal business, bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything through your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would be great but now I'm really lost?  How?   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  I use Outlook 2003 as my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... \\Steve//... do you know that answer?)  But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next to the "Welcome, Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now.  Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that happens, you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and send replies via the Gmail webpage interface.  And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to.  Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it.  I used it as my only email account for a while but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts.    Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Let's try this again. I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, on the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the General section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives many more options. They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it.  Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@... Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day.  > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo  >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox... > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? >   If so, how? >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > >   Bill > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > >   Bill > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > >   Kate, > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >   > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... >   > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... >   > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> >   > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> >   > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to >   > > get me a >   > > > > new filter >   > > > > > > today. >   > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > >   > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >   > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, >   > > 11:50 AM >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > store >   > > > > >   > > numberãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > 2338 >   > > > > > > > phoone >   > > > > >   > > numberãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤スãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã  ¤ã‚»ãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > > > 231-933-8800 >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 >   > > > > >   > > gallonãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ 㠤セãƒâ€ >「竄ャãƒÅ 。ãƒâ€ δッãƒâ€ ã >¤ã‚½ãƒâ€ 㠤ス >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38652	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it. The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!! Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish??? But then I also saw that Accu-Clear http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. I wish you would have asked out here first. While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes"). The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them. Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage. I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought. Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH? I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38653	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's why we got them.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish???  But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water.  I wish you would have asked out here first.  While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent.  Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38654	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

You can use Outlook to handle more than one email account. I use Outlook to POP (download email) from five different Gmail accounts. If you want to keep your Outlook the way it is, then just use the Gmail website interface to handle your email that you do not want going to Outlook. There are many ways you could set up Outlook. For simplicity, you could just create a filter to put ALL of your fish emails into a folder called Bill's fish emails or something like that, so they do not go into the regular inbox. Do you have your computer set up to have different user accounts or just one account for you and the missus? If you have different users, you could also have Outlook configured for each user so you would have your Outlook and the other Family account would have theirs. \\Steve// might offer better ways to set up Outlook for multiple users if you want to keep the email in separate Outlook .pst files (that's the file Outlook creates to store all your emails, calendar items, tasks, etc. for each user). I seem to remember that Outlook Express (not anything like Outlook) could be used to sign in and out of different users but Outlook does not work that way... at least not as far as I know. I'm the only one that uses my computers 99.9% of the time so I do not have separate user accounts and only turn on the Guest account when needed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the "family" mail.  I try not to do this because of personal business, bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything through your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would be great but now I'm really lost?  How?   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  I use Outlook 2003 as my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... \\Steve//... do you know that answer?)  But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next to the "Welcome, Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now.  Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that happens, you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and send replies via the Gmail webpage interface.  And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to.  Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it.  I used it as my only email account for a while but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts.    Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Let's try this again. I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, on the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the General section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives many more options. They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Hi \\Steve// Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it.  Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: warrenprint@... Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day.  > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo  >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox... > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? >   If so, how? >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > >   Bill > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >   -----Original Message----- >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   Len, > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > >   Bill > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > >   Kate, > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > >   Lenny Vasbinder >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38655	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

OK. Give us a quick timeline on the tank. For example... Set up tank on March 1. Cloudy water started on March 5. Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, slight nitrate). Added memory foam on March ?? Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? (example ended) I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear. If you added them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine. I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's why we got them.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish???  But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water.  I wish you would have asked out here first.  While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent.  Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38656	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will be over there shortly to order.   The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking hard at my old under-gravel filters.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. For example... Set up tank on March 1. Cloudy water started on March 5. Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, slight nitrate). Added memory foam on March ?? Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? (example ended) I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine.  I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's why we got them.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish???  But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water.  I wish you would have asked out here first.  While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent.  Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38657	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Well.. the good news is that you didn't need the Accu Clear early pregnancy test. I guess I have to put out this cigar now. ;-) Once again, sorry about the fish. I still DO NOT think it's the filter system. I don't know where the particulates were coming from yet but they weren't coming from the AquaClear filter system unless, somehow, one of the bio-max pellets was disintegrating or already crushed but when you take them out the plastic bag to put into the nylon netting, I know you rinsed them first so that shouldn't be the source. Give the AC with some of the blue-white filter padding a chance. I'm sure you'll be happy. Heck, even without the blue-white filter padding, most folks that use AC's are happy. I'm just not sure where the source of your cloudiness/particulates were coming from. I have AC's running right now and the tanks they are on are crystal clear. The only tank I have that has occasional issues with particulates in the water is my goldfish tank at feeding time but that settles down or is filtered out shortly afterwards and it goes back to being clear. I don't have an AC running on that tank but I do have the blue-white filter padding in both filter systems on that tank. I love that blue-white filter padding stuff!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will be over there shortly to order.   The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking hard at my old under-gravel filters.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. For example... Set up tank on March 1. Cloudy water started on March 5. Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, slight nitrate). Added memory foam on March ?? Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? (example ended) I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine.  I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's why we got them.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish???  But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water.  I wish you would have asked out here first.  While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent.  Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38658	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > be over there shortly to order. > > The time-line is too variable. Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > time. My thoughts now? Chuck them both. My fault anyway. I'm here > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > NOT to add anything to water. Especially nonsense like that. I have > only myself to blame. Probably will do re-start with One and Only > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > OK. Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > For example... > > Set up tank on March 1. > Cloudy water started on March 5. > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, > slight nitrate). > Added memory foam on March ?? > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > (example ended) > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear. If you added > them > both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine. I > would > discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically > which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all. To > much trouble and I'm too lazy. Besides Ram like the water I got. That's > why we got them. > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your > situation but what I just found with Google. > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it. The top hits > were to > an early pregnancy test kit > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!! Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my > second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish??? > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > attach to > particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink > to the > bottom (your "ashes"). The problem is that these products can and > often do > adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them. Remember that > anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis > 24/7 by > the fish. > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > column > that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear > product did it's damage. I was still under the impression it was some > kind > of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the > bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > Another thought. Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > additive to > try and raise the KH or GH? I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda > "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions > exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually > looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be > followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your > water parameters were consistent. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Len, > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables. The foam was > one but > the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank. Oh, it cleared the > water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams! All Cory's at this > point seemed fine. > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory! I immediately > transported all > fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there. > Water parameter's? All ok. > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > looked > like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > At that point I decided to strip the tank. When you can't id > something its > time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > WHAT??? What happened to your 29G? I thought all the water > parameters were > doing OK and the fish were fine? I know we were dealing with the white > cloudiness. OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used. Rinse well > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas. Give > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > rinse > some more and let air dry again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > bleach? > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > start of > scratch. > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for > plastic plants and decorations. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38659	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Len,   I think the coagulates, which are a break down from the Accu Clear are or were the cause.  That white stuff was coming from somewhere and we did not have it BEFORE we put the Accu Clear in the tank.   Light the cigar anyway!  After all, not a total disaster we did save 4 rams so that's something.  And of course, the old adage "Your never too old to learn a lesson"   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 1:28 PM Well.. the good news is that you didn't need the Accu Clear early pregnancy test.  I guess I have to put out this cigar now. ;-)  Once again, sorry about the fish. I still DO NOT think it's the filter system.  I don't know where the particulates were coming from yet but they weren't coming from the AquaClear filter system unless, somehow, one of the bio-max pellets was disintegrating or already crushed but when you take them out the plastic bag to put into the nylon netting, I know you rinsed them first so that shouldn't be the source. Give the AC with some of the blue-white filter padding a chance.  I'm sure you'll be happy.  Heck, even without the blue-white filter padding, most folks that use AC's are happy.  I'm just not sure where the source of your cloudiness/particulates were coming from.  I have AC's running right now and the tanks they are on are crystal clear.   The only tank I have that has occasional issues with particulates in the water is my goldfish tank at feeding time but that settles down or is filtered out shortly afterwards and it goes back to being clear.  I don't have an AC running on that tank but I do have the blue-white filter padding in both filter systems on that tank. I love that blue-white filter padding stuff!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will be over there shortly to order.   The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking hard at my old under-gravel filters.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. For example... Set up tank on March 1. Cloudy water started on March 5. Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, slight nitrate). Added memory foam on March ?? Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? (example ended) I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine.  I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's why we got them.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits were to an early pregnancy test kit http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish???  But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water.  I wish you would have asked out here first.  While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis 24/7 by the fish. So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent.  Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Len,   Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this point seemed fine.   This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there.  Water parameter's?  All ok. But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id something its time to clean house and head for higher ground!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations.   Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38660	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Thanks Amber,   BUT, Bill on ebay?  NOT   You have forgotten some things about ol' bill.  I'll refresh your memory. If something can go wrong it will happen to Bill.   Now think about that statement for a minute. Can you really picture me buying on ebay? What a nail bitter!  The filter I would buy would probably back pump right onto the floor!  But I thank you for the thoughts.  I already have one nailed to my Christmas List!   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 2:35 PM I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > be over there shortly to order. >  > The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have > only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > hard at my old under-gravel filters. >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > For example... > > Set up tank on March 1. > Cloudy water started on March 5. > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, > slight nitrate). > Added memory foam on March ?? > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > (example ended) > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added > them > both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine.  I > would > discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically > which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To > much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  That's > why we got them. >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your > situation but what I just found with Google. > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits > were to > an early pregnancy test kit > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my > second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish??? > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear  > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > attach to > particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink > to the > bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and > often do > adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that > anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis > 24/7 by > the fish. > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > column > that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear > product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some > kind > of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the > bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > additive to > try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda > "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry conditions > exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually > looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would normally be > followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you said your > water parameters were consistent. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Len, >  > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was > one but > the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it cleared the > water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this > point seemed fine. >  > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately > transported all > fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from there. > Water parameter's?  All ok. > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > looked > like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id > something its > time to clean house and head for higher ground! >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water > parameters were > doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white > cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > rinse > some more and let air dry again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > bleach? > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > start of > scratch. > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for > plastic plants and decorations. >  > Bill > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38661	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Guess Murphy's Law really likes you huh Bill? ;) I got my 2 Rena Filstar Xp4's on Ebay last month with my tax refund, It was at least 50 dollars cheaper for each filter on Ebay, and they were brand new filters, just dinged boxes (probably cheap sales from stores because the box isn't pretty). Either way, I love them and I'm sure you'll love them too when you manage to get one :) The Xp 4 pushes a lot of water, The current in my 55 gallon tank with just one of the Xp4's running in it is a decent looking current. I still haven't put any fish into it, I want to make sure nothing goes wrong and kills my fish first ;) I also want to get some sponges to put on the filter intakes so I don't get any fry sucked into it ;) Hope Christmas comes early for you Bill ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Thanks Amber, > > BUT, Bill on ebay? NOT > > You have forgotten some things about ol' bill. I'll refresh your memory. > If something can go wrong it will happen to Bill. > > Now think about that statement for a minute. > Can you really picture me buying on ebay? > What a nail bitter! The filter I would buy would probably back pump > right onto the > floor! But I thank you for the thoughts. I already have one nailed > to my Christmas List! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 2:35 PM > > I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to > switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to > clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to > consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one > of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be > fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > > be over there shortly to order. > > > > The time-line is too variable. Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > > time. My thoughts now? Chuck them both. My fault anyway. I'm here > > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > > NOT to add anything to water. Especially nonsense like that. I have > > only myself to blame. Probably will do re-start with One and Only > > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > > hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > > > OK. Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > > > For example... > > > > Set up tank on March 1. > > Cloudy water started on March 5. > > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, > > slight nitrate). > > Added memory foam on March ?? > > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > > (example ended) > > > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear. If you added > > them > > both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine. I > > would > > discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically > > which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all. To > > much trouble and I'm too lazy. Besides Ram like the water I got. > That's > > why we got them. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your > > situation but what I just found with Google. > > > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it. The top hits > > were to > > an early pregnancy test kit > > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.>> > > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!! Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my > > second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his > fish??? > > > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml>> > > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > > attach to > > particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink > > to the > > bottom (your "ashes"). The problem is that these products can and > > often do > > adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them. Remember that > > anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis > > 24/7 by > > the fish. > > > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > > column > > that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear > > product did it's damage. I was still under the impression it was some > > kind > > of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the > > bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > > > Another thought. Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > > additive to > > try and raise the KH or GH? I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda > > "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry > conditions > > exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually > > looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would > normally be > > followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you > said your > > water parameters were consistent. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Len, > > > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables. The foam was > > one but > > the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank. Oh, it > cleared the > > water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams! All Cory's at this > > point seemed fine. > > > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory! I immediately > > transported all > > fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from > there. > > Water parameter's? All ok. > > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > > looked > > like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > > At that point I decided to strip the tank. When you can't id > > something its > > time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > WHAT??? What happened to your 29G? I thought all the water > > parameters were > > doing OK and the fish were fine? I know we were dealing with the white > > cloudiness. OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? > > > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used. Rinse > well > > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas. Give > > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > > rinse > > some more and let air dry again. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > > bleach? > > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > > start of > > scratch. > > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for > > plastic plants and decorations. > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38662	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: glass substrate

This is just an FYI for anyone who might want to try this: We tried an experiment with our new tank -using ground glass from our recycling center as the substrate. The glass has rounded edges from the crushing process, so it won't hurt the fish-I handle it all the time.   However, the recycling center doesn't have people remove labels.  We soaked the glass in a chlorox solution for over a week, picking out paper particles as we could.  We ended up having to take it out and purchase gravel because the rotting paper was keeping the ammonia high.It took us several days to figure out why we had such high ammonia readings in spite of using One and Only, and even ammonia lock. After we made the change, I used One and Only again and was able to start adding fish.  A hydrogeologist friend said we could have made it work if we had used muratic acid or phosphoric acid on the glass-it would have destroyed the paper right away.  A thorough rinse would then have made the glass usable.   Karen Karen Hawk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38663	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Bill, I'm presuming you will be doing a 100% water change and rinsing out the gravel, etc. of the 29G. If it was a poison from either the Accu-Clear stuff or the memory foam, you should probably run some carbon after you do refill the tank to just in case any is left in the cracks/crevices of the gravel or decorations. Amber, It's been so long since I started using my Rena Filstars. Did they come with a floss pad? I seem to remember they came with the micro polishing pad that was put on top of everything else to micro filter the water before sending it back to the tank. I do not recall if I bought these pads separately or if they came with my filters. I still use at least two layers of the blue-white filter pads in each Rena Filstar.. more in the bigger one... but then have the Micro filtration pad and the Purigen packets as my final stages of filtration. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > be over there shortly to order. > > The time-line is too variable. Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > time. My thoughts now? Chuck them both. My fault anyway. I'm here > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > NOT to add anything to water. Especially nonsense like that. I have > only myself to blame. Probably will do re-start with One and Only > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > OK. Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > For example... > > Set up tank on March 1. > Cloudy water started on March 5. > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, > nitrite, slight nitrate). > Added memory foam on March ?? > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > (example ended) > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear. If you added > them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to > determine. I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't > determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all. > To much trouble and I'm too lazy. Besides Ram like the water I got. > That's why we got them. > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at > your situation but what I just found with Google. > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it. The top hits > were to an early pregnancy test kit > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!! Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... > my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish??? > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and > then sink to the bottom (your "ashes"). The problem is that these > products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking > crap to them. Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed > in and absorbed by osmosis > 24/7 by > the fish. > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the > Accu-Clear product did it's damage. I was still under the impression > it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't > have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles > (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > Another thought. Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > additive to try and raise the KH or GH? I know there is sometimes a > Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water > chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the > water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the > tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could > also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Len, > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables. The foam was > one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank. Oh, it > cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams! All > Cory's at this point seemed fine. > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory! I immediately > transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are > working from there. > Water parameter's? All ok. > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > At that point I decided to strip the tank. When you can't id > something its time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > WHAT??? What happened to your 29G? I thought all the water > parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine? I know we were > dealing with the white cloudiness. OR... did that memory foam > possibly cause a problem? > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used. Rinse well > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas. Give > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > rinse some more and let air dry again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > bleach? > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > start of scratch. > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket > for plastic plants and decorations. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38664	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: glass substrate

Yeah. It sounds like you would have to tumble the glass in a liquid in order to remove all the labels AND glue before it would be suitable for aquaria. I think the glue would cause more of a problem than paper. Tumbling it in a muriatic acid solution would probably do the trick and would probably polish the glass up real good too. Sounds like a lot of work though. Pea gravel is much easier... and cheap... and I like the natural look but I've had all kinds of different substrates over the years. ;-) http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-9870/Detail (only $2.33 a bag at True Value Hardware) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Hawk Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] glass substrate This is just an FYI for anyone who might want to try this: We tried an experiment with our new tank -using ground glass from our recycling center as the substrate. The glass has rounded edges from the crushing process, so it won't hurt the fish-I handle it all the time.   However, the recycling center doesn't have people remove labels.  We soaked the glass in a chlorox solution for over a week, picking out paper particles as we could.  We ended up having to take it out and purchase gravel because the rotting paper was keeping the ammonia high.It took us several days to figure out why we had such high ammonia readings in spite of using One and Only, and even ammonia lock. After we made the change, I used One and Only again and was able to start adding fish.  A hydrogeologist friend said we could have made it work if we had used muratic acid or phosphoric acid on the glass-it would have destroyed the paper right away.  A thorough rinse would then have made the glass usable. Karen Karen Hawk

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38665	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Affirmative Len,   Stripping the entire tank.  May also use an under-gravel BUT start up will begin with One and Only.  We are not taking any chances this time around.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:26 PM Bill, I'm presuming you will be doing a 100% water change and rinsing out the gravel, etc. of the 29G.  If it was a poison from either the Accu-Clear stuff or the memory foam, you should probably run some carbon after you do refill the tank to just in case any is left in the cracks/crevices of the gravel or decorations. Amber, It's been so long since I started using my Rena Filstars.  Did they come with a floss pad?  I seem to remember they came with the micro polishing pad that was put on top of everything else to micro filter the water before sending it back to the tank.  I do not recall if I bought these pads separately or if they came with my filters. I still use at least two layers of the blue-white filter pads in each Rena Filstar.. more in the bigger one... but then have the Micro filtration pad and the Purigen packets as my final stages of filtration. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > be over there shortly to order. >  > The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have > only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > hard at my old under-gravel filters. >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > For example... > > Set up tank on March 1. > Cloudy water started on March 5. > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, > nitrite, slight nitrate). > Added memory foam on March ?? > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > (example ended) > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added > them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to > determine.  I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't > determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  > To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  > That's why we got them. >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at > your situation but what I just found with Google. > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits > were to an early pregnancy test kit > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... > my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his fish??? > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and > then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these > products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking > crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed > in and absorbed by osmosis > 24/7 by > the fish. > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the > Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression > it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't > have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles > (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a > Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water > chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the > water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the > tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could > also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Len, >  > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was > one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it > cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All > Cory's at this point seemed fine. >  > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately > transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are > working from there. > Water parameter's?  All ok. > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id > something its time to clean house and head for higher ground! >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water > parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were > dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam > possibly cause a problem? > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse well > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > rinse some more and let air dry again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > bleach? > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > start of scratch. > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket > for plastic plants and decorations. >  > Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38666	From: gail	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Actually I was considering Driftwood for my community tank. My pleco in that tank is 5" right now. I am sure that he would love the driftwood, but with all the different kinds of wood decor sold at big box or LFS... who knows if you are truly getting DRIFT WOOD. Right?   I only decorate my Cichlid tank with teracotta bowls and plants (they love it) or pieces of terracotta bowls. Caves and such too. I like them to have hiding places and their own territories. :)   -gail --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 8:05 PM With African rift lake cichlids you probably don’t want driftwood in the tank since it tends to lower pH. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38667	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Thanks Amber,   The Rena filters I think are superior to HOB's.  Besides they offer I very important benefit to someone like me where floor space is a real problem.  They allow for a tank to be placed much closer to the rear wall.  To say nothing of the sheer mass of filter media they hold.  For my small 29 I would probably still go with an xp2.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:02 PM Guess Murphy's Law really likes you huh Bill? ;) I got my 2 Rena Filstar Xp4's on Ebay last month with my tax refund, It was at least 50 dollars cheaper for each filter on Ebay, and they were brand new filters, just dinged boxes (probably cheap sales from stores because the box isn't pretty). Either way, I love them and I'm sure you'll love them too when you manage to get one :) The Xp 4 pushes a lot of water, The current in my 55 gallon tank with just one of the Xp4's running in it is a decent looking current. I still haven't put any fish into it, I want to make sure nothing goes wrong and kills my fish first ;) I also want to get some sponges to put on the filter intakes so I don't get any fry sucked into it ;) Hope Christmas comes early for you Bill ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Thanks Amber, >  > BUT, Bill on ebay?  NOT >  > You have forgotten some things about ol' bill.  I'll refresh your memory. > If something can go wrong it will happen to Bill. >  > Now think about that statement for a minute. > Can you really picture me buying on ebay? > What a nail bitter!  The filter I would buy would probably back pump > right onto the > floor!  But I thank you for the thoughts.  I already have one nailed > to my Christmas List! >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 2:35 PM > > I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to > switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to > clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to > consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one > of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be > fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > > be over there shortly to order. > > > > The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > > time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  I'm here > > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > > NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like that.  I have > > only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with One and Only > > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > > hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > > > OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > > > For example... > > > > Set up tank on March 1. > > Cloudy water started on March 5. > > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, nitrite, > > slight nitrate). > > Added memory foam on March ?? > > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > > (example ended) > > > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you added > > them > > both around the same time, then it might be difficult to determine.  I > > would > > discontinue the use of both products if you can't determine specifically > > which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  To > > much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got.  > That's > > why we got them. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your > > situation but what I just found with Google. > > > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits > > were to > > an early pregnancy test kit > > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.>> > > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... my > > second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his > fish??? > > > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml>> > > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > > attach to > > particles in the water and cause them to stick together and then sink > > to the > > bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that these products can and > > often do > > adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking crap to them.  Remember that > > anything we add to the water is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis > > 24/7 by > > the fish. > > > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > > column > > that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the Accu-Clear > > product did it's damage.  I was still under the impression it was some > > kind > > of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the > > bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > > > Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > > additive to > > try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a Baking Soda > > "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water chemistry > conditions > > exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but actually > > looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this would > normally be > > followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you > said your > > water parameters were consistent. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Len, > > > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was > > one but > > the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, it > cleared the > > water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at this > > point seemed fine. > > > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately > > transported all > > fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are working from > there. > > Water parameter's?  All ok. > > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > > looked > > like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > > At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id > > something its > > time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water > > parameters were > > doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were dealing with the white > > cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam possibly cause a problem? > > > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse > well > > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  Give > > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > > rinse > > some more and let air dry again. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > > bleach? > > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > > start of > > scratch. > > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for > > plastic plants and decorations. > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You.. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38668	From: gail	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish

Is there other fish that like to eat Peas?   just curious :)   -Gail --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:35 PM For goldfish, we can actually put a grain of epsom salt in a piece of pea and let them eat it. It works much faster that way. I'm not sure that would work for a small fish though. If the fish isn't eating, then you have to add the epsom salt to the hospital tank and let the osmoregulatory system work it out. Read more below though. Here's a snip from: http://www.koitime. com/goldfishguy/ GoldfishInfo/ goldfish_ health.htm# Fish%20f loating%20upside% 20down. (START SNIP) Fish floating upside down. This indicates a condition know as swim bladder disorder or flip over. This condition is common in round bodied goldfish. The swim bladder is actually two small bags of air inside the goldfish that when working properly gives the fish neutral buoyancy in the water. To control the amount of air in the swim bladder there is a duct (called the stom) that attaches the swim bladder to the esophagus. This allows air to be released from the swim bladder through the esophagus. The problem occurs when the stom becomes blocked or damaged. This damage can be from chronic digestive problems, internal parasites, bacterial pathogens, or a mass such as a tumor pressing on the stom that prevents air from being vented from the swim bladder through the esophagus. Also, chronic high nitrates have been identified as causing damage to the stom. Which leads to the fish floating. Treatment: When floating is first noted stop feeding for 3 days then feed frozen peas that have been defrosted and shelled. This will help clean out the digestive system. If floating continues then pre-soak pelleted food in a container with 1 ounce water and a pinch of Epsom Salts. Soak for 10-15 minutes then discard the solution and feed the pellets. Try this only once or twice as regular ingestion of Epsom Salts will harm the fish's digestive system. These methods work in the early stages of digestive related floating and can help control the floating to allow the fish to live a reasonably normal life. Once a fish begins to float upside down a good percentage of the time or all the time then it may be the beginning of the end. Goldfish really can't eat and digest food properly when upside down all the time and they will eventually become weak and susceptible to parasites or bacterial pathogens. It's time to consider the humane choice of euthanizing the fish. As of this writing there is some research and surgery being performed to correct floating caused by swim bladder problems. This work is being done by Dr. Erik Johnson in Marietta, Georgia. (END SNIP) Here's some other ideas. http://www.goldfish info.com/ ailment1. htm#constipation (read about soaking flake food in castor oil) And a reliable thread about dosing for a three day dip in Epsom Salted water. http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/forum/ showthread. php?p=226403 http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/forum/ showthread. php?t=13878 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish I think I have a tetra that I think is constipated, it can swim fine when it tries hard, but when it stops working at it it flips upside down again and swims kind of sideways. I'm going to try an epsom salt bath like I did for my betta when she had issues. Glad it worked for you, I had a male betta that didn't recover, but it helped out my female betta, I'm hoping my tetra pulls through. My LFS has no selection for meds, it's pointless for me to check, they have like 3 kinds at the most. If I want meds that will work I have to order them off the internet :( Amber Dave H. wrote: > > Hello Everyone!!! > > I just wanted to share this site to everyone here. Last week, after > moving my angelfish to our new apartment. We had no choice but to > move to another complex. I had covered her in a bucket of her water, > and covered it with a plastic bag so it won't be light inside her > bucket. After the move, I put the tank up and got the water up > immediately. I put her in and the next day, She was consitipating! !! > She was swimming sideways, and upside down. I was shocked. I went to > the site and read to add epsom salt.. and it actually worked!!!! She > is fine and back to her old self. I'm so very glad she is doing much > better and being happy to be in our new home. Here's the site about > the Angelfish. For those who have an Angelfish, Here is the link. > > http://www.angelfis h.net/VBulletin/ archive/index. php?t-651. html > <http://www.angelfis h.net/VBulletin/ archive/index. php?t-651. html> > > It was very helpful. Let me know how to move an angelfish next time. > Thanks!!! Dave > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38669	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pleco diet

Driftwood can be many types of woods. It's more about the fact that it's wood, it's old and that it's been drifting around lakes, rivers, oceans, etc.... or sunk down in them for a while and has been debarked and has not rotted away that makes it driftwood. A lot more reading if you are interested... including tips on finding your own "wild" driftwood... but watch out, I hear they still bite when they are "wild". ;-) http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/driftwood.php http://westerncichlids.com.au/the-use-of-wood-in-aquariums/ http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2250&aid=3319 http://www.tetra-fish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2268 http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/aquascaping.php http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/diy/55482-diy-driftwood-aquarium-safe-wood s.html Of course, my own article.. LOL... wouldn't want to leave it out. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/01/driftwood-cleaning-curing-now-why-didn t.html Here's a place that sells driftwood and then there are dozens of people selling it on eBay. http://www.aquariumdriftwood.com/driftwoo.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet Actually I was considering Driftwood for my community tank. My pleco in that tank is 5" right now. I am sure that he would love the driftwood, but with all the different kinds of wood decor sold at big box or LFS... who knows if you are truly getting DRIFT WOOD. Right?   I only decorate my Cichlid tank with teracotta bowls and plants (they love it) or pieces of terracotta bowls. Caves and such too. I like them to have hiding places and their own territories. :)   -gail --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 8:05 PM With African rift lake cichlids you probably don’t want driftwood in the tank since it tends to lower pH. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pleco diet So, in regards to driftwood. What are some good resources for buying/ getting driftwood. No one really wants to spend an arm & a leg, right? Also, I see what "looks like" driftwood at big box stores like Petsmart; but is that really driftwood? Or something else? thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38670	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Bill, I think an xP1 would be PLENTY for a 29G. You might even have to use the throttle fitting on the intake or outflow to throttle it back. If I'm not mistaken, the xP1 moves around 250gph which would be nearly 9X in your 29G. Most filter systems only plan on 2X to 4X for a tank and 4X to 6X is usually adequate except for BIG bioloads (Oscars, goldfish, etc.) or for fish that NEED that kind of water movement like Amber's Hillstream loaches. Most minnow (torpedo) type fish also do OK in fast moving waters. Here's my article on them which lists the stats for each model. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/04/filter-profile-rena-filstar-xp1.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Thanks Amber,   The Rena filters I think are superior to HOB's.  Besides they offer I very important benefit to someone like me where floor space is a real problem.  They allow for a tank to be placed much closer to the rear wall.  To say nothing of the sheer mass of filter media they hold.  For my small 29 I would probably still go with an xp2.   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:02 PM Guess Murphy's Law really likes you huh Bill? ;) I got my 2 Rena Filstar Xp4's on Ebay last month with my tax refund, It was at least 50 dollars cheaper for each filter on Ebay, and they were brand new filters, just dinged boxes (probably cheap sales from stores because the box isn't pretty). Either way, I love them and I'm sure you'll love them too when you manage to get one :) The Xp 4 pushes a lot of water, The current in my 55 gallon tank with just one of the Xp4's running in it is a decent looking current. I still haven't put any fish into it, I want to make sure nothing goes wrong and kills my fish first ;) I also want to get some sponges to put on the filter intakes so I don't get any fry sucked into it ;) Hope Christmas comes early for you Bill ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Thanks Amber, >  > BUT, Bill on ebay?  NOT >  > You have forgotten some things about ol' bill.  I'll refresh your memory. > If something can go wrong it will happen to Bill. >  > Now think about that statement for a minute. > Can you really picture me buying on ebay? > What a nail bitter!  The filter I would buy would probably back pump > right onto the floor!  But I thank you for the thoughts.  I already > have one nailed to my Christmas List! >  > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 2:35 PM > > I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to > switch all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to > clean and get running again after each cleaning. If you're going to > consider upgrading I'd suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on > one of the lower powered Rena Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 > would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. They're a decent price on Ebay. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we > > will be over there shortly to order. > > > > The time-line is too variable.  Accu Clear plus foam at about the > > same time.  My thoughts now?  Chuck them both.  My fault anyway.  > > I'm here long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than > > you, to know NOT to add anything to water.  Especially nonsense like > > that.  I have only myself to blame.  Probably will do re-start with > > One and Only this time around and I might as well state for the > > record, looking hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > > > OK.  Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > > > For example... > > > > Set up tank on March 1. > > Cloudy water started on March 5. > > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, > > nitrite, slight nitrate). > > Added memory foam on March ?? > > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > > (example ended) > > > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear.  If you > > added them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to > > determine.  I would discontinue the use of both products if you > > can't determine specifically which one was the cause of the > > poisoning. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all.  > > To much trouble and I'm too lazy.  Besides Ram like the water I got. > That's > > why we got them. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at > > your situation but what I just found with Google. > > > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it.  The top hits > > were to an early pregnancy test kit > > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.>> > > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!!  Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... > > my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his > fish??? > > > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml>> > > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > > attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together > > and then sink to the bottom (your "ashes").  The problem is that > > these products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by > > sticking crap to them.  Remember that anything we add to the water > > is breathed in and absorbed by osmosis > > 24/7 by > > the fish. > > > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > > column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the > > Accu-Clear product did it's damage.  I was still under the > > impression it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the > > Accu-Clear shouldn't have worked on the bacteria, usually only on > > inorganic particles (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > > > Another thought.  Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > > additive to try and raise the KH or GH?  I know there is sometimes a > > Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water > > chemistry > conditions > > exist, but that does not normally stay in the water column but > > actually looks like snow all over everything in the tank and this > > would > normally be > > followed by a pH crash... which could also kill the fish but you > said your > > water parameters were consistent. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Len, > > > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables.  The foam was > > one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank.  Oh, > > it > cleared the > > water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams!  All Cory's at > > this point seemed fine. > > > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory!  I immediately > > transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are > > working from > there. > > Water parameter's?  All ok. > > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny > > but looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > > At that point I decided to strip the tank.  When you can't id > > something its time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > WHAT???  What happened to your 29G?  I thought all the water > > parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine?  I know we were > > dealing with the white cloudiness.  OR... did that memory foam > > possibly cause a problem? > > > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used.   Rinse > well > > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas.  > > Give things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell > > chlorine, rinse some more and let air dry again. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with > > Clorox bleach? > > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > > start of scratch. > > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket > > for plastic plants and decorations. > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38671	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: About Betsy, my Angelfish

I think every fish I've ever had will eat pea "meat" (pinch the pea and discard the skin). For smaller fish, I would mash the pea halves a little. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish Is there other fish that like to eat Peas?   just curious :)   -Gail --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:35 PM For goldfish, we can actually put a grain of epsom salt in a piece of pea and let them eat it. It works much faster that way. I'm not sure that would work for a small fish though. If the fish isn't eating, then you have to add the epsom salt to the hospital tank and let the osmoregulatory system work it out. Read more below though. Here's a snip from: http://www.koitime. com/goldfishguy/ GoldfishInfo/ goldfish_ health.htm# Fish%20f loating%20upside% 20down. (START SNIP) Fish floating upside down. This indicates a condition know as swim bladder disorder or flip over. This condition is common in round bodied goldfish. The swim bladder is actually two small bags of air inside the goldfish that when working properly gives the fish neutral buoyancy in the water. To control the amount of air in the swim bladder there is a duct (called the stom) that attaches the swim bladder to the esophagus. This allows air to be released from the swim bladder through the esophagus. The problem occurs when the stom becomes blocked or damaged. This damage can be from chronic digestive problems, internal parasites, bacterial pathogens, or a mass such as a tumor pressing on the stom that prevents air from being vented from the swim bladder through the esophagus. Also, chronic high nitrates have been identified as causing damage to the stom. Which leads to the fish floating. Treatment: When floating is first noted stop feeding for 3 days then feed frozen peas that have been defrosted and shelled. This will help clean out the digestive system. If floating continues then pre-soak pelleted food in a container with 1 ounce water and a pinch of Epsom Salts. Soak for 10-15 minutes then discard the solution and feed the pellets. Try this only once or twice as regular ingestion of Epsom Salts will harm the fish's digestive system. These methods work in the early stages of digestive related floating and can help control the floating to allow the fish to live a reasonably normal life. Once a fish begins to float upside down a good percentage of the time or all the time then it may be the beginning of the end. Goldfish really can't eat and digest food properly when upside down all the time and they will eventually become weak and susceptible to parasites or bacterial pathogens. It's time to consider the humane choice of euthanizing the fish. As of this writing there is some research and surgery being performed to correct floating caused by swim bladder problems. This work is being done by Dr. Erik Johnson in Marietta, Georgia. (END SNIP) Here's some other ideas. http://www.goldfish info.com/ ailment1. htm#constipation (read about soaking flake food in castor oil) And a reliable thread about dosing for a three day dip in Epsom Salted water. http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/forum/ showthread. php?p=226403 http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/forum/ showthread. php?t=13878 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About Betsy, my Angelfish I think I have a tetra that I think is constipated, it can swim fine when it tries hard, but when it stops working at it it flips upside down again and swims kind of sideways. I'm going to try an epsom salt bath like I did for my betta when she had issues. Glad it worked for you, I had a male betta that didn't recover, but it helped out my female betta, I'm hoping my tetra pulls through. My LFS has no selection for meds, it's pointless for me to check, they have like 3 kinds at the most. If I want meds that will work I have to order them off the internet :( Amber Dave H. wrote: > > Hello Everyone!!! > > I just wanted to share this site to everyone here. Last week, after > moving my angelfish to our new apartment. We had no choice but to move > to another complex. I had covered her in a bucket of her water, and > covered it with a plastic bag so it won't be light inside her bucket. > After the move, I put the tank up and got the water up immediately. I > put her in and the next day, She was consitipating! !! > She was swimming sideways, and upside down. I was shocked. I went to > the site and read to add epsom salt.. and it actually worked!!!! She > is fine and back to her old self. I'm so very glad she is doing much > better and being happy to be in our new home. Here's the site about > the Angelfish. For those who have an Angelfish, Here is the link. > > http://www.angelfis h.net/VBulletin/ archive/index. php?t-651. html > <http://www.angelfis h.net/VBulletin/ archive/index. php?t-651. html> > > It was very helpful. Let me know how to move an angelfish next time. > Thanks!!! Dave

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38672	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

Mine came with the floss pads and sponges, and bio-balls, but not enough of everything, so I'm going to put some extra blue/white padding that I have on hand from when I bought my 125 gallon. They send you just enough to get it running basically ;) I need to get more of everything, bio balls, floss padding and maybe another carbon packet to replace it later. I still love the filter, it's much easier to set up and get running than any other canister filter or HOB I've tried so far. Has great filtration and a lot of power. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Bill, > > I'm presuming you will be doing a 100% water change and rinsing out the > gravel, etc. of the 29G. If it was a poison from either the Accu-Clear > stuff or the memory foam, you should probably run some carbon after you do > refill the tank to just in case any is left in the cracks/crevices of the > gravel or decorations. > > Amber, > > It's been so long since I started using my Rena Filstars. Did they come > with a floss pad? I seem to remember they came with the micro > polishing pad > that was put on top of everything else to micro filter the water before > sending it back to the tank. I do not recall if I bought these pads > separately or if they came with my filters. > > I still use at least two layers of the blue-white filter pads in each Rena > Filstar.. more in the bigger one... but then have the Micro filtration pad > and the Purigen packets as my final stages of filtration. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > I'm so happy with my Rena Filstar xp 4 filters that I think I want to > switch > all my filters over at some point, LOL. They are very easy to clean > and get > running again after each cleaning. If you're going to consider > upgrading I'd > suggest checking out Ebay for a good deal on one of the lower powered Rena > Filstar XP filters, maybe a 1 or a 2 would be fine for a 29 gallon tank. > They're a decent price on Ebay. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > The good news is the Blue Pads are back in stock at Doctor's, we will > > be over there shortly to order. > > > > The time-line is too variable. Accu Clear plus foam at about the same > > time. My thoughts now? Chuck them both. My fault anyway. I'm here > > long enough and working with fish maybe even longer than you, to know > > NOT to add anything to water. Especially nonsense like that. I have > > only myself to blame. Probably will do re-start with One and Only > > this time around and I might as well state for the record, looking > > hard at my old under-gravel filters. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:08 PM > > > > OK. Give us a quick timeline on the tank. > > > > For example... > > > > Set up tank on March 1. > > Cloudy water started on March 5. > > Did PWC's 3X a week and still had cloudy water through March 25. > > All water tests were consistent and as expected (zero ammonia, > > nitrite, slight nitrate). > > Added memory foam on March ?? > > Added Accu-Clear on March ?? or April ?? > > (example ended) > > > > I'm curious if it was the memory foam or the Accu-Clear. If you added > > them both around the same time, then it might be difficult to > > determine. I would discontinue the use of both products if you can't > > determine specifically which one was the cause of the poisoning. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > No Len, nothing in water no coral, no playing with the water at all. > > To much trouble and I'm too lazy. Besides Ram like the water I got. > > That's why we got them. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:16 AM > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at > > your situation but what I just found with Google. > > > > I wasn't sure of what Accu Clear was so I Googled it. The top hits > > were to an early pregnancy test kit > > http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.> > > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html. > <http://www.americarx.com/products/35569.html.>> > > My first thoughts... OH NOOOOO!!! Bill's gonna be a daddy.... or... > > my second thought was, did Bill really think this would work on his > fish??? > > > > But then I also saw that Accu-Clear > > http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml> > > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml > <http://www.pfpros.com/accuclear.shtml>> > > which is "supposed" to clear up cloudy water. > > > > I wish you would have asked out here first. > > > > While those products technically do work, they are coagulants that > > attach to particles in the water and cause them to stick together and > > then sink to the bottom (your "ashes"). The problem is that these > > products can and often do adversely affect a fishes gills by sticking > > crap to them. Remember that anything we add to the water is breathed > > in and absorbed by osmosis > > 24/7 by > > the fish. > > > > So now... the big question is what was the particulate in your water > > column that was causing the cloudiness and then the "ashes" when the > > Accu-Clear product did it's damage. I was still under the impression > > it was some kind of bacterial bloom but then the Accu-Clear shouldn't > > have worked on the bacteria, usually only on inorganic particles > > (dirt, detritus, etc.). > > > > Another thought. Have you been dosing with Baking Soda or other > > additive to try and raise the KH or GH? I know there is sometimes a > > Baking Soda "snowfall" when not done properly or when other water > > chemistry conditions exist, but that does not normally stay in the > > water column but actually looks like snow all over everything in the > > tank and this would normally be followed by a pH crash... which could > > also kill the fish but you said your water parameters were consistent. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Len, > > > > Not sure what happened tooooooooooooo many variables. The foam was > > one but the big one was someone put Accu Clear into the tank. Oh, it > > cleared the water fine then the next morning I had 3 dead Rams! All > > Cory's at this point seemed fine. > > > > This morning I got up and found 1 dead Cory! I immediately > > transported all fish to the 20-long (thank God I have it) and we are > > working from there. > > Water parameter's? All ok. > > But found white something or other in the gravel (not to be funny but > > looked like ashes) as I was stirring the fish up this morning. > > At that point I decided to strip the tank. When you can't id > > something its time to clean house and head for higher ground! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > WHAT??? What happened to your 29G? I thought all the water > > parameters were doing OK and the fish were fine? I know we were > > dealing with the white cloudiness. OR... did that memory foam > > possibly cause a problem? > > > > 20 to 1 or even 10 to 1 (parts water to bleach) can be used. Rinse well > > afterwards and let air dry so any residual chlorine will outgas. Give > > things the smell test afterwards and if you can still smell chlorine, > > rinse some more and let air dry again. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:50 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! > > > > Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox > > bleach? > > Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and > > start of scratch. > > No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket > > for plastic plants and decorations. > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38673	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: glass substrate

I got my pea gravel for like 6 dollars for a 50 lb bag, at my local mom and pop hardware store. I like the natural look as well, it's brown/white in color. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yeah. It sounds like you would have to tumble the glass in a liquid in > order to remove all the labels AND glue before it would be suitable for > aquaria. I think the glue would cause more of a problem than paper. > Tumbling it in a muriatic acid solution would probably do the trick and > would probably polish the glass up real good too. Sounds like a lot of > work > though. > > Pea gravel is much easier... and cheap... and I like the natural look but > I've had all kinds of different substrates over the years. ;-) > > http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-9870/Detail > <http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-9870/Detail> (only $2.33 a > bag at > True Value Hardware) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Karen Hawk > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] glass substrate > > This is just an FYI for anyone who might want to try this: > We tried an experiment with our new tank -using ground glass from our > recycling center as the substrate. The glass has rounded edges from the > crushing process, so it won't hurt the fish-I handle it all the time. > However, the recycling center doesn't have people remove labels. We > soaked the glass in a chlorox solution for over a week, picking out paper > particles as we could. We ended up having to take it out and purchase > gravel because the rotting paper was keeping the ammonia high.It took us > several days to figure out why we had such high ammonia readings in > spite of > using One and Only, and even ammonia lock. > > After we made the change, I used One and Only again and was able to start > adding fish. A hydrogeologist friend said we could have made it work > if we > had used muratic acid or phosphoric acid on the glass-it would have > destroyed the paper right away. A thorough rinse would then have made the > glass usable. Karen > > Karen Hawk > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38674	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: about Otocinclus sp.

I just got a couple of them. and am planning on getting some live plants soon. For my 10 gallon tank. what kinds of plants and about how many to get for it? I have some drift wood in the tank. I plan on getting zucchini pieces to use as food for them? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38675	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Otocinclus sp

are they? most active at night? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38676	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

I believe that there is an add-in for Outlook that allows you to POP mail from Yahoo!, but, as I said, my knowledge of Outlook is more from the Exchange client side rather than the POP or IMAP side. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Hi \\Steve// > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the > time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > warrenprint@... > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will have different > > agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond > > free POP with the free Yahoo accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay > > around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I know I have one > > of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo > > started blocking access to some sites for North American users so I had to get an > Australian > > Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and they grandfathered > > you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail accounts, they had POP access and I was > > grandfathered in when Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they > > took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope Google > > doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day.  If they do, I'm sure another > > start up will offer free email with POP and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail > > accounts. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Garry the Womble > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from Yahoo Groups. Then I have > > Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my Gmail account onto my computer where I read and > > manage my email via Outlook. > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also recognize another frequent > > poster from this group, who is also in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a > > member of both groups for years and \\S knows as much about Outlook as he does about > fish. > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so you won't get > overwhelmed > > with emails. > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been discussing Outlook and Gmail > > and all of the different ways folks use them in an active thread right now. > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years will get a Gmail > > account and then forward all of their other accounts to their Gmail account and then use > > Outlook to POP the Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and > Yahoo > > do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a paid account. > Further, > > as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... at least it does for me > > since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox. > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the Gmail spam filters, > which > > are some of the best in the world, catches the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering > up > > your Outlook inbox. > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or freemail service one may use, > > it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you > > are looking for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will occasionally > > put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other email services are worse about putting > > good mail into the spam folder. If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's > > have the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others allow you to set > the > > time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I check all of my > email > > accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular basis, I always just > > empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > >   If so, how? > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were using Gmail Account as > per > > your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like to learn, if you can teach? > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the editor, I use plain > text > > and still have a spell checker. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked about last week is not > > effective. In addition, if you check that box you lose the spell checker if your working here > > and not with MS Word. > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > >   Kate, > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of > what > > I found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped > > down the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain > text > > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > > Format section. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > > are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

> Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL I use Outlook 2003 as > my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) Because it is a client to the server. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:58 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL I use Outlook 2003 as > my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then > you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next > to the "Welcome, Bill" section. Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your > primary email address for the group. While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you > get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now. > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and > get things in plain text instead of HTML. That will keep things plain and simple! > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for > replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your > changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account. Once that happens, > you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and > send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only > 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it. I used it as my only email account for a while > but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account > until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real > account. This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Let's try this again. > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da. It worked for a bit then came the coding > again. Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that. You seem to have the ability to > get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and > receive over here. Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. > > I am just trying to do the same. Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems > foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my > aggravation over here. I just want to know how to do it???????????????? > > On a fishy note? My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready > to get back into it again from square one. Fun, fun, fun! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's > features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address. I'm > looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used. When you sign into the mail, on > the top right, there is an Options link. Click on that. The first thing I see under the General > section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the > default is to compose mail with colour and graphics. I would make that plain text as it could > be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text > Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters. Unfortunately, > after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a > filter to forward mail. The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders. Gmail gives > many more options. > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after > a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set > up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new > email address. Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old > addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing > some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Hi \\Steve// > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > If there is can you point the way? My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day. Not all the > time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > Computer questions from this? Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > warrenprint@... > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Yeah. Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > > have different agreements with different countries. Apparently Yahoo > > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > > accounts. Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access. I > > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > they grandfathered you in. At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > > changed to charging for it's Plus account. Eventually, they took away > > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail. I hope > > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and manage my email via Outlook. > > > > If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > >Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also > >recognize another frequent poster from this group, who is also in that > >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a member of both groups for years and \\S > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > >you won't get overwhelmed with emails. > > > > Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > >discussing Outlook and Gmail and all of the different ways folks use them in an active > thread right now. > > > > Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years > >will get a Gmail account and then forward all of their other accounts > >to their Gmail account and then use Outlook to POP the Gmail > >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a > >paid account. Further, as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... > at least it does for me since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's > and C's into my inbox.. > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > >Gmail spam filters, which are some of the best in the world, catches > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up your Outlook inbox. > > > > On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > >freemail service one may use, it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you are looking for > >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > >occasionally put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > >email services are worse about putting good mail into the spam folder. > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's have > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > >allow you to set the time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I > check all of my email accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular > basis, I always just empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Len, > > > > Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > > If so, how? > > Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > >using Gmail Account as per your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like > to learn, if you can teach? > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > > With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > >editor, I use plain text and still have a spell checker. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Len, > > > > I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > >about last week is not effective. In addition, if you check that box > >you lose the spell checker if your working here and not with MS Word.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > Kate, > > > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what I found in one of your earlier > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > >Chinese characters but nothing like your post. I also noticed that > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text to some other font... even though > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the Format section. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > From: toddswoman496861@... > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > > > <toddswoman496861@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > > > > > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] had to > > > > get me a > > > > > > new filter > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, > > > > 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store > > > > > > > > > > numberテδッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†> >「竄ャナ> 。テδッテ> ã > >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > 2338 > > > > > > > > > phoone > > > > > > > > > > numberテδッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†> >「竄ャナ> 。テδッテ> ã > >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ãƒ†> δッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†> >「竄ャナ> 。テδッテ> ã > >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > 231-933-8800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aqua-Tech power filter 30-60 > > > > > > > > > > gallonテδッテã > ¤ã‚»ãƒ†> >「竄ャナ> 。テδッテ> ã > >¤ã‚½ãƒ†ã ¤ã‚¹ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38678	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: about Otocinclus sp

the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38679	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Bill, I have 12 e-mail accounts coming into Outlook under the same profile, and it does not confuse me at all. Now, some things get sorted, upon arrival, into a couple of folders, and, in the end, everything has its place. However, if you truly want to keep things separate, then create a new profile for things other than "family" mail. Then use that profile for everything other than "family" mail, and use the "family" mail if you actually want to pay bills, find out who is divorcing who, who died, and all that other wonderful "family" stuff <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the "family" mail.  I try not to do > this because of personal business, bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything > through your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would be > great but now I'm really lost?  How? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  I use Outlook 2003 as > my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then > you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next > to the "Welcome, Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your > primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you > get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now. > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and > get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for > replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your > changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that happens, > you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and > send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only > 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it.  I used it as my only email account for a while > but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account > until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real > account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Let's try this again. > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding > again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability to > get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and > receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. > > I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems > foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my > aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? > > On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready > to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's > features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm > looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, on > the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the General > section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the > default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it could > be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text > Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, > after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a > filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives > many more options. > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after > a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set > up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new > email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old > addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing > some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Hi \\Steve// > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the > time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > warrenprint@... > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also > >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that > >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active > thread right now. > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years > >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts > >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail > >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a > >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... > at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's > and C's into my inbox... > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for > >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I > check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular > basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > >   If so, how? > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like > to learn, if you can teach? > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box > >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > >   Kate, > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38680	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.

Just don't leave those zuchhini pieces in too long. I recently inadvertently made zuchhini soup. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp. I just got a couple of them. and am planning on getting some live plants soon. For my 10 gallon tank. what kinds of plants and about how many to get for it? I have some drift wood in the tank. I plan on getting zucchini pieces to use as food for them? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38681	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp

I have seen them very active during the day. Can't say if they are active at night, though, as I never looked. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Otocinclus sp > > > > are they? most active at night? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38682	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.

I've found that getting live plants is more about what is available in your local stores, more than what you might want. Same with the numbers of plants. That would depend on the type as some plants stay small and others can grow like wildfire and take over a 10G tank. Go to my blog article about "Planted Tank - so you want a planted tank!" and you will see links to easy to grow, low light plants, which is what I suggest for most folks, unless you are really ready to go head first into a planted tank, meaning upgraded lighting, CO2 injection or daily dosing of CO2 supplements, special substrates, etc. Easy to grow plants are just that... easy to grow.. and there is a quite an assortment of plants that fall into this category. Check out the links and articles and make a list of plants that you would like, including pictures, and then go look around at your local stores for what they might have. If you were planning on ordering online, then I also have links to online sellers of prepared packages listed in my blog. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp. I just got a couple of them. and am planning on getting some live plants soon. For my 10 gallon tank. what kinds of plants and about how many to get for it? I have some drift wood in the tank. I plan on getting zucchini pieces to use as food for them? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38683	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.

I want just easy to care for low light.  Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 8:23 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp. I've found that getting live plants is more about what is available in your local stores, more than what you might want. Same with the numbers of plants. That would depend on the type as some plants stay small and others can grow like wildfire and take over a 10G tank. Go to my blog article about "Planted Tank - so you want a planted tank!" and you will see links to easy to grow, low light plants, which is what I suggest for most folks, unless you are really ready to go head first into a planted tank, meaning upgraded lighting, CO2 injection or daily dosing of CO2 supplements, special substrates, etc. Easy to grow plants are just that... easy to grow.. and there is a quite an assortment of plants that fall into this category. Check out the links and articles and make a list of plants that you would like, including pictures, and then go look around at your local stores for what they might have. If you were planning on ordering online, then I also have links to online sellers of prepared packages listed in my blog. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and=2 0also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp. I just got a couple of them. and am planning on getting some live plants soon. For my 10 gallon tank. what kinds of plants and about how many to get for it? I have some drift wood in the tank. I plan on getting zucchini pieces to use as food for them? Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links (Yahoo! ID required) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38684	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp

There are many species of Otocinclus. Do you know which species you have? Most catfish come from nocturnal backgrounds and tend to be more active in low-light or at night. Many become accustomed to normal tank lighting and will become more active. Here is a common species and two profiles and care sheets on them. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile76.html Here is Wiki's list of other species... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Otocinclus sp are they? most active at night? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38685	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Otocinclus sp

from the pic it looks alot like Macrotocinclus affinis, formallly Otocinclus affinis Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Otocinclus sp There are many species of Otocinclus. Do you know which species you have? Most catfish come from nocturnal backgrounds and tend to be more active in low-light or at night. Many become accustomed to normal tank lighting and will become more active. Here is a common species and two profiles and care sheets on them. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile76.html Here is Wiki's list of other species... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Otocinclus sp are they? most active at night? Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`7.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38686	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp

As you will see from the earlier reply with profiles and care sheets, otos are a tough fish to keep in the beginning. If you can keep them alive for a month, then you will usually be home free but they do not have the best survival rate when first acquired. It's probably best to buy 10 and if/when a few die, you still end up with a decent sized shoal. If they all live, then you can rehome some to a friend. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38687	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

\\Steve//, I realize we should move this thread to the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group but if one was to have two profiles.. say one for biz and the other for personal stuff... not that I've ever needed this for the several years I've been using Outlook. When one first opens Outlook, would it ask which profile one was signing into? I remember that Outlook Express kind of worked like that but I've never had more than one profile since I've been using OL2003. I know my MS Office Accounting 2007 software works that way so I can keep separate books for two or more businesses but I really do not recall Outlook 2003 giving me those kinds of options when I first started using it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// Bill, I have 12 e-mail accounts coming into Outlook under the same profile, and it does not confuse me at all. Now, some things get sorted, upon arrival, into a couple of folders, and, in the end, everything has its place. However, if you truly want to keep things separate, then create a new profile for things other than "family" mail. Then use that profile for everything other than "family" mail, and use the "family" mail if you actually want to pay bills, find out who is divorcing who, who died, and all that other wonderful "family" stuff <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the > "family" mail.  I try not to do this because of personal business, > bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything through > your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would be great but now I'm really lost?  How? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  > I use Outlook 2003 as my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to > the Yahoo Groups, then you first need to go into the Group, sign in, > then click Edit Membership (up near the top next to the "Welcome, > Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as > your primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now. > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New > Improved format and get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a > little while to look for replies or new messages while Yahoo does > whatever it has to do to finish processing your changes until you > start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that > happens, you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first > Gmail account is still only 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in > it.  I used it as my only email account for a while but have since set > up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so > I use the junk account until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Let's try this again. > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a > bit then came the coding again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are > living with that.  You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre > supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. > > I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a > Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage > of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? > > On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all > rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not > familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should > be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm looking at the > only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the > mail, on the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The > first thing I see under the General section is the option near the > bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is > to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain > text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", > likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some > of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives many more options. > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new > email address, after a certain time period where you've notified > everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday > Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them > your new email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's > a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Hi \\Steve// > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a > good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > warrenprint@... > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., > > will have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently > > Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free > > Yahoo accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay > > around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP > > access.  I know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down > > in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking > > access to some sites for North > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when > > Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they > > took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to > > Gmail.  I hope Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > >thread > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will > >also recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also > >in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of > >both groups for years and \\S > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use > >them in an active > thread right now. > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the > >years will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other > >accounts to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the > >Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and > >Yahoo do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you > >upgrade to a paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... > at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail > pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox... > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking > >for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail > >over 30 days old but since I > check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail > interface on a regular basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > >thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > >   If so, how? > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your > >doing this but would like > to learn, if you can teach? > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > >thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, > >alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > >thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box > >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > >thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > >   Kate, > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other > >font... even though > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, > >alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38688	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Unless outlook is explicitly told otherwise, you would have a choice of profiles offered to you when the program opens. If you have two profiles, you can choose between the two, if you have five, you will have five choices. On my laptop, I have two profiles, one for home, and one for work. My work one is a carbon copy of the one on my office desktop as far as mailboxes accessed, and folders contained in each mailbox. My home one is a carbon copy of the home desktop version (which receives a subset of my work e-mail). I VPN into either work or home, the fire up Outlook and choose the appropriate profile. The only downside is that I need to update each profile at least once a week, or it can take forever to update the current profile I am using, not a pretty sight if I am on a client site <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > \\Steve//, > > I realize we should move this thread to the Outlook-Users Yahoo Group but if > one was to have two profiles.. say one for biz and the other for personal > stuff... not that I've ever needed this for the several years I've been > using Outlook. When one first opens Outlook, would it ask which profile one > was signing into? I remember that Outlook Express kind of worked like that > but I've never had more than one profile since I've been using OL2003. > > I know my MS Office Accounting 2007 software works that way so I can keep > separate books for two or more businesses but I really do not recall Outlook > 2003 giving me those kinds of options when I first started using it. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Bill, > > I have 12 e-mail accounts coming into Outlook under the same profile, and it > does not confuse me at all. Now, some things get sorted, upon arrival, into > a couple of folders, and, in the end, everything has its place. However, if > you truly want to keep things separate, then create a new profile for things > other than "family" mail. Then use that profile for everything other than > "family" mail, and use the "family" mail if you actually want to pay bills, > find out who is divorcing who, who died, and all that other wonderful > "family" stuff <g>. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:14 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the > > "family" mail.  I try not to do this because of personal business, > > bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything through > > your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail > that would be great but now I'm really lost?  How? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL > > I use Outlook 2003 as my email client (client = program... why do they > call an email program a client anyhow???... > > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to > > the Yahoo Groups, then you first need to go into the Group, sign in, > > then click Edit Membership (up near the top next to the "Welcome, > > Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as > > your primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can > also set up to make sure you get either the individual emails or the daily > digest... I think you get the individual emails now. > > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New > > Improved format and get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will > keep things plain and simple! > > > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a > > little while to look for replies or new messages while Yahoo does > > whatever it has to do to finish processing your changes until you > > start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that > > happens, you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you > can check your mail and send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if > you don't want to. > > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first > > Gmail account is still only 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in > > it.  I used it as my only email account for a while but have since set > > up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so > > I use the junk account until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I > do, then I'll switch it over to my real account.  This helps keep some of > the spam from my real accounts. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Let's try this again. > > > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a > > bit then came the coding again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are > > living with that.  You seem to have the ability to get (I am pre > > supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send > and receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either > direct or through group.. > > > > I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a > > Gmail account, it seems foolish on my part not to take full advantage > > of its possibilities and put an end to my aggravation over here.  I just > want to know how to do it???????????????? > > > > On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all > > rolled up and getting ready to get back into it again from square one. > Fun, fun, fun! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not > > familiar with all of it's features, or lack thereof, but there should > > be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm looking at the > > only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the > > mail, on the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The > > first thing I see under the General section is the option near the > > bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the default is > > to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain > > text as it could be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", > > likely a format similar to Rich Text Formatting, that is causing some > > of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, after looking > through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set > up a filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail > into folders.  Gmail gives many more options. > > > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new > > email address, after a certain time period where you've notified > > everybody of your new email address, you can set up the Holiday > > Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them > > your new email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's > > a good idea to still check the old addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to > keep them active and to make sure you are not missing some mail from a > long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high > school! > > ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Hi \\Steve// > > > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese > sometime and I can't fix it. > > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a > > good day.  Not all the time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too > close to that as it is! > > > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > > warrenprint@... > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., > > > will have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently > > > Yahoo Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free > > > Yahoo accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay > > > around $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP > > > access.  I know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down > > > in Australia from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking > > > access to some sites for North > > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access > the sites. > > > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when > > > Hotmail changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they > > > took away my free POP access which is probably when I switched to > > > Gmail.  I hope Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP > access one day. > > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > > >thread > > > > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via > Outlook. > > > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > > >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will > > >also recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also > > >in that group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of > > >both groups for years and \\S > > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > > >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > > > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > > >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use > > >them in an active > > thread right now. > > > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the > > >years will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other > > >accounts to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the > > >Gmail account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and > > >Yahoo do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you > > >upgrade to a paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam > filter leaves a lot to be desired... > > at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail > > pharmacy emails starting with V's and C's into my inbox... > > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > > >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches > > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > > > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > > >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking > > >for something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > > >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > > >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. > > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have > > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > > >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail > > >over 30 days old but since I > > check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail > > interface on a regular basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself > after each time that I check them. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by > > >Year, Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > > >thread > > > > > >   Len, > > > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > > >   If so, how? > > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > > >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your > > >doing this but would like > > to learn, if you can teach? > > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > > > >   Bill > > > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > > >thread > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > > >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, > > >alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > > >thread > > > > > >   Len, > > > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > > >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box > > >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > > > > > >   Bill > > > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new > > >thread > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > > >   Kate, > > > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier > > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down > > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > > >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that > > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other > > >font... even though > > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, > > >alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38689	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

\\Steve//   Your sense of humor never ceases to amaze me, although if you remember, I'm still astonished by electricity!   Now if I am understanding you correctly, your saying that I can use Outlook to fetch my mail?  Now this sounds easy but isn't for me.  Please read this very s-l-o-w-l-y.   Are you also saying that I could send or answer in Outlook but still using my "on board name?  Like warrenprint@...   Now get your bottle of aspirins ready!  How?   Bill --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 7:45 PM Bill, I have 12 e-mail accounts coming into Outlook under the same profile, and it does not confuse me at all. Now, some things get sorted, upon arrival, into a couple of folders, and, in the end, everything has its place. However, if you truly want to keep things separate, then create a new profile for things other than "family" mail. Then use that profile for everything other than "family" mail, and use the "family" mail if you actually want to pay bills, find out who is divorcing who, who died, and all that other wonderful "family" stuff <g>. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the "family" mail.  I try not to do > this because of personal business, bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive everything > through your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would be > great but now I'm really lost?  How? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  I use Outlook 2003 as > my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then > you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top next > to the "Welcome, Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as your > primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure you > get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails now. > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and > get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for > replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your > changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that happens, > you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and > send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only > 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it.  I used it as my only email account for a while > but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account > until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real > account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Let's try this again. > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding > again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability to > get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and > receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through group.. > > I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems > foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my > aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? > > On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting ready > to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's > features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address.  I'm > looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, on > the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the General > section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the > default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it could > be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text > Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters.  Unfortunately, > after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a > filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail gives > many more options. > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, after > a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can set > up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your new > email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the old > addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing > some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high school! > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > Hi \\Steve// > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix it. > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all the > time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > warrenprint@... > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also > >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that > >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active > thread right now. > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years > >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts > >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail > >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a > >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be desired... > at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with V's > and C's into my inbox... > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for > >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but since I > check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a regular > basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > >   If so, how? > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would like > to learn, if you can teach? > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > >   Len, > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box > >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > >   Kate, > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38690	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny--\\Steve//

Ask me off list. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > \\Steve// > > Your sense of humor never ceases to amaze me, although if you remember, I'm still astonished > by electricity! > > Now if I am understanding you correctly, your saying that I can use Outlook to fetch my > mail?  Now this sounds easy but isn't for me.  Please read this very s-l-o-w-l-y. > > Are you also saying that I could send or answer in Outlook but still using my "on board name? > Like warrenprint@... > > Now get your bottle of aspirins ready!  How? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 7:45 PM > > > Bill, > > I have 12 e-mail accounts coming into Outlook under the same profile, and it does not confuse > me at all. Now, some things get sorted, upon arrival, into a couple of folders, and, in the end, > everything has its place. However, if you truly want to keep things separate, then create a new > profile for things other than "family" mail. Then use that profile for everything other than > "family" mail, and use the "family" mail if you actually want to pay bills, find out who is > divorcing who, who died, and all that other wonderful "family" stuff <g>. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:14 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Now I'm all confused!  If I use Outlook, I would be over at the "family" mail.  I try not > to do > > this because of personal business, bill paying, etc.  I thought you send and receive > everything > > through your Gmail..  If I could use Outlook, without disturbing the family mail that would > be > > great but now I'm really lost?  How? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > Well, I rarely use the Gmail webmail interface... aka the website. LOL  I use Outlook 2003 > as > > my email client (client = program... why do they call an email program a client anyhow???... > > \\Steve//... do you know that answer?) > > > > But if you are going to use Gmail for receiving and sending replies to the Yahoo Groups, then > > you first need to go into the Group, sign in, then click Edit Membership (up near the top > next > > to the "Welcome, Bill" section.  Then Edit your membership to add your Gmail account as > your > > primary email address for the group.  While on that page, you can also set up to make sure > you > > get either the individual emails or the daily digest... I think you get the individual emails > now. > > Then also choose the Traditional format instead of the so-called New Improved format and > > get things in plain text instead of HTML.  That will keep things plain and simple! > > > > You might have to keep an eye on the group's Messages page for a little while to look for > > replies or new messages while Yahoo does whatever it has to do to finish processing your > > changes until you start getting the group's mail in your Gmail account.  Once that happens, > > you can set up your Outlook 2002 to POP your Gmail account or you can check your mail and > > send replies via the Gmail webpage interface. > > > > And remember, with Gmail, you never have to ever delete another email, if you don't want to. > > Even with dozens of emails a day for the past five years, my first Gmail account is still only > > 18% full with over 47,000 emails saved in it.  I used it as my only email account for a while > > but have since set up separate accounts for business and pleasure and then a junk Gmail > > account used for signing up for certain things that I may not trust so I use the junk account > > until I decide if I trust the site/service and if I do, then I'll switch it over to my real > > account.  This helps keep some of the spam from my real accounts. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:35 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Let's try this again. > > > > I used plain text as per your instructions, na da.  It worked for a bit then came the coding > > again.  Went back to Rich Text and we are living with that.  You seem to have the ability > to > > get (I am pre supposing here) your mail through Gmail and work from over there to send and > > receive over here.  Your mail always come through just fine, either direct or through > group.. > > > > I am just trying to do the same.  Since you already know I have a Gmail account, it seems > > foolish on my part not to take full advantage of its possibilities and put an end to my > > aggravation over here.  I just want to know how to do it???????????????? > > > > On a fishy note?  My 29 went belly up and so I have my sleeves all rolled up and getting > ready > > to get back into it again from square one.  Fun, fun, fun! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > > > > I've never used Yahoo Mail as a primary mail service so I'm not familiar with all of it's > > features, or lack thereof, but there should be a way to forward all mail to a new address. > I'm > > looking at the only Yahoo Mail account that I've ever used.  When you sign into the mail, > on > > the top right, there is an Options link.  Click on that.  The first thing I see under the > General > > section is the option near the bottom to compose mail as plain text but it looks like the > > default is to compose mail with colour and graphics.  I would make that plain text as it > could > > be Yahoo's definition of "colour and graphics", likely a format similar to Rich Text > > Formatting, that is causing some of the issues with all the funny characters. > Unfortunately, > > after looking through all of the Options, I do not see a way to forward mail or even set up a > > filter to forward mail.  The filters can only be set up to sort mail into folders.  Gmail > gives > > many more options. > > > > They do have the "Holiday Response" section that if/when you get a new email address, > after > > a certain time period where you've notified everybody of your new email address, you can > set > > up the Holiday Response to send an auto-reply to anyone that emails you, giving them your > new > > email address.  Even if/when you change email providers, it's a good idea to still check the > old > > addresses on a daily/weekly basis, to keep them active and to make sure you are not missing > > some mail from a long-lost friend or relative... or that hot little cheerleader from high > school! > > ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are > > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:27 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny--\\Steve// > > > > Hi \\Steve// > > > > Is there a way to make either Gmail or Outlook 2002 fetch mail from Yahoo? > > If there is can you point the way?  My mail does look like Chinese sometime and I can't fix > it. > > Whatever I'm doing or sending it comes back as a mess, and that's on a good day.  Not all > the > > time but just enough to drive you nuts and I'm too close to that as it is! > > > > Computer questions from this?  Maybe better for you to contact direct at: > > warrenprint@... > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > > > > There is an Outlook add-in that allows you to POP Yahoo mail. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > Yeah.  Many search engines and portals like Yahoo, Google, etc., will > > > have different agreements with different countries.  Apparently Yahoo > > > Mail gives you folks across the pond free POP with the free Yahoo > > > accounts.  Here, on our side of the pond, folks have to pay around > > > $20.00 a year for the Yahoo Mail Plus account to get POP access.  I > > > know I have one of my Yahoo ID's showing me living down in Australia > > > from many years ago because Yahoo started blocking access to some sites for North > > American users so I had to get an Australian Yahoo ID in order to access the sites. > > > > > > Or possibly, when you got the Yahoo ID, they had free POP access and > > > they grandfathered you in.  At one time, on one of my old Hotmail > > > accounts, they had POP access and I was grandfathered in when Hotmail > > > changed to charging for it's Plus account.  Eventually, they took away > > > my free POP access which is probably when I switched to Gmail.  I hope > > > Google doesn't decide to start charging for the POP access one day. > > > If they do, I'm sure another start up will offer free email with POP > > > and I'll just move to them and forward my Gmail accounts. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Garry the Womble > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:32 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > Erm my yahoo account is a free one and it pops!!!, sorry Lenny. > > > > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:21 PM > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > >   Yes, I use Gmail as my email service and for receiving mail from > > >Yahoo Groups. Then I have  Outlook set up to POP3 the mail from my > > >Gmail account onto my computer where I read and  manage my email via Outlook. > > > > > >   If you have/use Outlook, you should join the Outlook-Users Yahoo > > >Group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-users where you will also > > >recognize another frequent  poster from this group, who is also in that > > >group, whose name starts with \\S. I've been a  member of both groups for years and \\S > > knows as much about Outlook as he does about fish. > > > While that group is active, it's not nearly as busy as this group so > > >you won't get overwhelmed  with emails. > > > > > >   Gmail and Outlook come up often in the group and we've been > > >discussing Outlook and Gmail  and all of the different ways folks use them in an active > > thread right now. > > > > > >   Some folks that have many other email addresses from over the years > > >will get a Gmail  account and then forward all of their other accounts > > >to their Gmail account and then use  Outlook to POP the Gmail > > >account... since most other freemail accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo > > >do not allow POP access on the free accounts.. only if you upgrade to a > > >paid account. Further,  as you probably know, Yahoo's spam filter leaves a lot to be > desired... > > at least it does for me  since I still get plenty of junk mail pharmacy emails starting with > V's > > and C's into my inbox... > > > By forwarding all mail from a Yahoo account to a Gmail account, the > > >Gmail spam filters, which  are some of the best in the world, catches > > >the spam so you don't get all of that cluttering up  your Outlook inbox. > > > > > >   On a side note, regardless of which ISP, paid email service or > > >freemail service one may use,  it's VERY IMPORTANT to at least check > > >your spam filter on a weekly basis.... or daily if you  are looking for > > >something that you didn't get. Gmail doesn't do it often but will > > >occasionally  put a piece of good mail into the spam folder. Other > > >email services are worse about putting  good mail into the spam folder. > > >If you don't check it often enough, you'll lose it. Some ISP's  have > > >the default setting to empty the spam folder on a daily basis, others > > >allow you to set the  time frame. I usually set mine to empty mail over 30 days old but > since I > > check all of my email  accounts spam folders by going to the webmail interface on a > regular > > basis, I always just  empty the spam folder myself after each time that I check them. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >   (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >right side, alphabetically  under Labels and also under Archives by > > >Year, Month) > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:59 AM > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > >   Len, > > > > > >   Did you setup Outlook to fetch mail from here at Yahoo? > > >   If so, how? > > >   Maybe take this one off-List. Confused here? I thought you were > > >using Gmail Account as per  your shown address? Lost on how your doing this but would > like > > to learn, if you can teach? > > > Send mail direct using warrenprint for contact > > > > > >   Bill > > > > > >   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > > > >   With MS Outlook 2003 as my email client, not using MS Word as the > > >editor, I use plain text  and still have a spell checker. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > >   -----Original Message----- > > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:27 PM > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > >   Len, > > > > > >   I just found out today that using the plain text, that we talked > > >about last week is not  effective. In addition, if you check that box > > >you lose the spell checker if your working here  and not with MS Word... > > > > > >   Bill > > > > > >   --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > >   From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > > >   Kate, > > > > > >   I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a > > >copy/paste, below my sig, of what  I found in one of your earlier > > >replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped  down > > >the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of > > >Chinese characters but  nothing like your post. I also noticed that > > >when replying, it changed my font from a plain text  to some other font... even though > > Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the  Format section. > > > > > >   Lenny Vasbinder > > >   Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > >referenced in above reply  are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > >under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38691	From: bill1433	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: For \\Steve// and Lenny

\\Steve// and Len   I know your right about moving this to the other group BUT.   It just occurred to me that others on this list may also be suffering from this message coding business that took me down this road in the first place.  To that end I feel that we should stay here at least for a bit but since \\Steve// is the one being called on for the advice maybe it should be his call.   I'm quite sure that after a long hard day at work, what he would really like to do is to come home and have a nice meal, maybe a drink or three, and then open is notebook and try to teach folks how to configure MS Outlook.  Man, that certainly sounds like a fun evening to me!   Any help, as always \\Steve// , is most welcome from you.   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38692	From: Troy	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread

I don’t know if it can be fixed once it is corrupted. However, whether it can be fixed also depends how the problem started—was it because of the email client, the browser, etc? When I absolutely need to see what the data was, I used a hex editor, which is not the solution that I can recommend to anyone that doesn’t absolutely need to read data in hexadecimal. I know that is not a good answer, but all I meant to explain was that the situation wasn’t as odd as it seems. If the problem was encountered in an email on this group, I would go to the Yahoo site, go to the group mail storage page and find the date you are interested in, then look for the message in uncorrupted form. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Granted Troy, but it be fixed? How? Bill --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > wrote: From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:29 PM The strange characters are most likely the result of a text parser misinterpreting text at the byte level. I have seen this dozens of times in my work. We even had our Chinese team members attempt to translate some once, but it was nonsense in Chinese as well. There are quite a few ways that any letter or character can be encoded. If a little bit of the encoding gets corrupted or goes missing, you often get something that looks like Chinese. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread Now, that I have seen them, they look to be more like Japanese characters than Chinese. You all are going to need to get you kanji character sets correct. Had it been Chinese, I could have asked one of my partners if they actually meant anything. And, Lenny, I really do not know all that much about Outlook when it comes to POP mail, and even less if it is IMAP. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Hmmmm.. on this thread, the Chinese characters have now changed to HTML looking coding. > > I just took two screen shots and uploaded them to my Webshots album... the first one of the > email with the Chinese looking symbols and one where they have now changed to HTML looking > symbols if anyone wants to look at them and render a guess as to what they mean. LOL > > http://image66.webshots.com/766/8/31/84/2817831840070613611SqHMeK_fs.jpg > > http://image62.webshots.com/662/6/0/29/2646600290070613611TCCirm_fs.jpg > > The HTML stuff, I'm used to seeing in plain text reading of emails but those Chinese > characters still have me a little baffled. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:09 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > Goes to coding inside Yahoo Mail. Not you its them! > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > wrote: > > > From: toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > strange as I never even put a font like that.  > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:04 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Thanks Lenny---wanted to start new thread > > > > > > > > > > > Kate, > > I don't see them in your reply in this thread but here is a copy/paste, below my sig, of what I > found in one of your earlier replies... well not your original reply but after it got bumped down > the thread a little. I just noticed that Bill also had a couple of Chinese characters but > nothing like your post. I also noticed that when replying, it changed my font from a plain text > to some other font... even though Outlook and the actual message shows Plain Text in the > Format section. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38693	From: darlene	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / L

And I mean ALL....... I could not believe how many fish are in this tank !!!! 3 tiger barbs, 2 (?) barbs . orange with white stripes, 5 silver dollars(?), 4 tetras, 2 regular neons, 1 neon with orange stripe, 2 pictus catfish ...... 19 fish total !!!!!! (I don't think I missed counting any...) And I think the pictus are male and female because they are cleaning each other off and following each other around real close... Almost sleeping one on top of the other... Either that or they are rejoicing to be in a clean tank!! Will be visiting my local pet store to bring them most of the fish!!! Do neons and fancy tail guppies get along? I don't remember and I'm too tired to look it up on the chart lol Also what type of catfish stays small? How many fish should there be in a 20 gallon tank? I was thinking 4-6 fancy tail guppies (all male), 2 otocinclus, and 2 catfish ??? I will be giving the tank to my friend but must change the fish to a better / safer bioload .... At the moment I have 2 HOB filters ... an aqua clear 30 and a aqua tech 20-40 so at least the filtration is ok for a day or 2. The previous owner only had the aqua clear 30 on the tank and did not do regular maintenance on the tank. She also had enough gravel in the tank (as far as I am concerned) for a 180 gallon tank ... the stones must have been 4 inches deep!!! Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38694	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp

That I have seen. So far the one replacement I got is still alive. am going to get a couple of plants tomorrow for the tank. just would have to add plants slowly Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 8:42 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp As you will see from the earlier reply with profiles and care sheets, otos are a tough fish to keep in the beginning. If you can keep them alive for a month, then you will usually be home free but they do not have the best survival rate when first acquired. It's probably best to buy 10 and if/when a few die, you still end up with a decent sized shoal. If they all live, then you can rehome some to a friend. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE th is line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38695	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny

I am enjoying this thread.  I have learned from it. I may not post much but I do read each post. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> To: AquaticLife <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:56 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] For \\Steve// and Lenny \\Steve// and Len   I know your right about moving this to the other group BUT.   It just occurred to me that others on this list may also be suffering from this message coding business that took me down this road in the first place.  To that end I feel that we should stay here at least for a bit but since \\Steve// is the one being called on for the advice maybe it should be his call.   I'm quite sure that after a long hard day at work, what he would really like to do is to come home and have a nice meal, maybe a drink or three, and then open is notebook and try to teach folks how to configure MS Outlook.  Man, that certainly sounds like a fun evening to me!   Any help, as always \\Steve// , is most welcome from you.   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEAS E, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38696	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp.

I would say java fern, anubias sp. and crypticoren sp such as crypticorne wendtii. for low light Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38697	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Imagine finding this in your tank

Huge Sea Worm Captured in Britain AOL posted: 2 HOURS 21 MINUTES AGO comments: 0 filed under: _Animal News_ (http://news.aol.com/main/animals) , _Science News_ (http://news.aol.com/science) , _Weird News_ (http://news.aol.com/weird-news) _Print_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100014629x1207153240x1200375227/aol?redir=http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/412269?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1 |link3|http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/412269) _Share_ (javascript:void(0)) Text SizeA_A_ (javascript:void(0)) _A_ (javascript:void(0)) (April 2) - Staff at a British aquarium have captured a massive sea worm that had been terrorizing other aquatic life. For months, the 4-foot-long creature -- which staffers call "Barry" -- had been devastating coral reef at Newquay's Blue Reef Aquarium, the _Daily Mail_ (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1165930/Barry-giant-sea-worm-di scovered-aquarium-staff-mysterious-attacks-coral-reef.html) newspaper reported Tuesday. The menacing monster also apparently injured a Tang fish. _Skip over this content_ (http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/412269?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link3|http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/4122 69#axs763) _ Giant Creatures_ (javascript:soKe.pgPopUp('news-news_popup_giantanimals')) (javascript:soKe.pgPopUp('news-news_popup_giantanimals')) Rex USA 10 photos (javascript:soKe.pgPopUp('news-news_popup_giantanimals')) (javascript:soKe.pgPopUp('news-news_popup_giantanimals')) Jumbo Worm: This 4-foot-long sea worm was devastating coral reef and terrorizing fish at an aquarium in Cornwall, southwestern England, the Daily Mail reported Tuesday. The creature, known as "Barry," devoured bait traps -- hooks and all -- and bit through a 20-pound fishing line before staffers finally managed to capture it. The worm was moved to its own tank. (Note: Please disable your pop-up blocker) Initially, aquarium workers weren't sure what was harming the coral, which in some cases was cut in half. After weeks with no clues, they decided to take the display apart to see if they could find the culprit, the Mail reported. Workers laid bait traps, which were mysteriously destroyed in the night, as the glutton apparently devoured the fish hooks right along with the bait. Finally, staffers spotted the tropical worm, which bit through a 20-pound fishing line before staffers were able to successfully remove it from the tank. _Skip over this content_ (http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/412269?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link3|http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/4122 69#axs524) The creature is covered with nasty bristles that sting and can cause permanent numbness in humans, the newspaper said. "Tt really does look like something out of a horror movie," Matt Slater, the aquarium's curator, told the Mail. "It's over 4 feet long with these bizarre-looking jaws." Slater said he suspects Barry arrived as a baby in a shipment from another aquarium. The worm now lives in his own tank. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38698	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny

While it may help people with Outlook troubles, there are other lists for that. Back to fish sounds like a good idea to me! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:56 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] For \\Steve// and Lenny \\Steve// and Len I know your right about moving this to the other group BUT. It just occurred to me that others on this list may also be suffering from this message coding business that took me down this road in the first place. To that end I feel that we should stay here at least for a bit but since \\Steve// is the one being called on for the advice maybe it should be his call. I'm quite sure that after a long hard day at work, what he would really like to do is to come home and have a nice meal, maybe a drink or three, and then open is notebook and try to teach folks how to configure MS Outlook. Man, that certainly sounds like a fun evening to me! Any help, as always \\Steve// , is most welcome from you. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38699	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: For \\Steve// and Lenny

Hi Donna,   Your right to some point but in a way its still is about fish.  I am one of the people who has trouble posting here.  I say that to you in that manner because I do not have trouble on other groups that I belong too.   In short many times my messages contain capital A's right side up and upside down to the point where the entire message is a mess.  Now this happens only sometimes and I have followed advice given here and at other locations and still have the problem.  Why, is any ones guess.  It seems to have no pattern or time it just happens.  Saying that, I have seen others on this list with the same problem and I am only trying to help others as I am being helped.  I have made many "email" friends here and enjoy their company and I would not like to see that end because of my own aggravation with its configuration or whatever is causing the problem.   Bill --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] For \\Steve// and Lenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:15 AM While it may help people with Outlook troubles, there are other lists for that.  Back to fish sounds like a good idea to me!   _____  From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:56 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] For \\Steve// and Lenny \\Steve// and Len I know your right about moving this to the other group BUT. It just occurred to me that others on this list may also be suffering from this message coding business that took me down this road in the first place.  To that end I feel that we should stay here at least for a bit but since \\Steve// is the one being called on for the advice maybe it should be his call. I'm quite sure that after a long hard day at work, what he would really like to do is to come home and have a nice meal, maybe a drink or three, and then open is notebook and try to teach folks how to configure MS Outlook.  Man, that certainly sounds like a fun evening to me! Any help, as always \\Steve// , is most welcome from you. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38700	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants

Hi, Darlene, Neons and guppies get along as far as temperament, but not water requirements.  To really thrive, neons need soft, acid water and warm temperatures.  Guppies prefer harder, more alkaline water, and cooler temperatures. Most of the cories stay small, upside down cats are usually under four inches, and there are a few others, but they are hard to find. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens --- On Thu, 4/2/09, darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: From: darlene <amazonbirds@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / Lenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:18 PM And I mean ALL....... I could not believe how many fish are in this tank !!!! 3 tiger barbs, 2 (?) barbs . orange with white stripes, 5 silver dollars(?), 4 tetras, 2 regular neons, 1 neon with orange stripe, 2 pictus catfish ...... 19 fish total !!!!!! (I don't think I missed counting any...) And I think the pictus are male and female because they are cleaning each other off and following each other around real close... Almost sleeping one on top of the other... Either that or they are rejoicing to be in a clean tank!! Will be visiting my local pet store to bring them most of the fish!!! Do neons and fancy tail guppies get along? I don't remember and I'm too tired to look it up on the chart lol Also what type of catfish stays small? How many fish should there be in a 20 gallon tank? I was thinking 4-6 fancy tail guppies (all male), 2 otocinclus, and 2 catfish ??? I will be giving the tank to my friend but must change the fish to a better / safer bioload .... At the moment I have 2 HOB filters ... an aqua clear 30 and a aqua tech 20-40 so at least the filtration is ok for a day or 2. The previous owner only had the aqua clear 30 on the tank and did not do regular maintenance on the tank. She also had enough gravel in the tank (as far as I am concerned) for a 180 gallon tank ... the stones must have been 4 inches deep!!! Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38701	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: A Quite Mail Day?

Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning!   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38702	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. How's that tank cleaning going Bill? Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood pieces? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > slept in this morning! > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38703	From: bill1433	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Hi Amber,   At least that much BUT STILL.   I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for a few weeks. I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster.  I know, it happened to me once.  With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of neon tetra's right out!   Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood.  I know Lenny's right, where do you think the store bought items come from!  Still I know most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else to give them that smooth finish and be sterile.   Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware.   Bill --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. How's that tank cleaning going Bill? Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood pieces? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > slept in this morning! >  > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38704	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do about it? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > a few weeks. > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > neon tetra's right out! > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) > Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", > I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been > debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put > in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood > pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > > slept in this morning! > > > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38705	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Just uploaded a picture of my 55 gallon with the piece of dead wood and a piece of drift wood both in it and some rocks. No fish in the tank yet, waiting to see if the dead wood piece tries to float away ;) So far so good. When approved, the picture will be found here (or under new photos if you want to find it that way). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list The light is a little bright, but I think the drift wood will help diffuse the lighting a bit. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple > of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never > caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it > causes constipation in tetras ;) > On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck > open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is > there something I can do about it? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > > a few weeks. > > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > > neon tetra's right out! > > > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) > > Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", > > I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been > > debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put > > in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood > > pieces? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > > > slept in this morning! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38706	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants

wow man you a lucky one..congrants..just becarefull with the silver dollars they get huge and agressive...or i been told --- On Thu, 4/2/09, darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: From: darlene <amazonbirds@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / Lenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:18 PM And I mean ALL....... I could not believe how many fish are in this tank !!!! 3 tiger barbs, 2 (?) barbs . orange with white stripes, 5 silver dollars(?), 4 tetras, 2 regular neons, 1 neon with orange stripe, 2 pictus catfish ...... 19 fish total !!!!!! (I don't think I missed counting any...) And I think the pictus are male and female because they are cleaning each other off and following each other around real close... Almost sleeping one on top of the other... Either that or they are rejoicing to be in a clean tank!! Will be visiting my local pet store to bring them most of the fish!!! Do neons and fancy tail guppies get along? I don't remember and I'm too tired to look it up on the chart lol Also what type of catfish stays small? How many fish should there be in a 20 gallon tank? I was thinking 4-6 fancy tail guppies (all male), 2 otocinclus, and 2 catfish ??? I will be giving the tank to my friend but must change the fish to a better / safer bioload .... At the moment I have 2 HOB filters ... an aqua clear 30 and a aqua tech 20-40 so at least the filtration is ok for a day or 2. The previous owner only had the aqua clear 30 on the tank and did not do regular maintenance on the tank. She also had enough gravel in the tank (as far as I am concerned) for a 180 gallon tank ... the stones must have been 4 inches deep!!! Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38707	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants

Yep. Yours sounds almost like the 10G I adopted/saved back in 2005 (right before Katrina). Have you looked at the profiles/care sheets for each species on Mongabay yet? As far as how many fish can be in a 20G, it depends on the size of the fish and the temperament of the fish. You could have 10 2" fish without much of a problem. 6-7 3" fish without much of a problem. Anything larger than 3" and you have to start considering other factors such as the tank size. If it's a 20G Long tank, that will give you more options than a standard 20G which doesn't have much more of a footprint than a 10G and a 20G X-high has the same footprint as a 10G. Here's a simple but not complete list of common tank sizes and dimensions. http://www.alysta.com/books/fishtank.htm Here's my article "NEW rules/guidelines to replace the fish-killing 1" rule" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html The Silver Dollars http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html, depending on which species (over 20 are called Silver Dollars) with the most common species growing to 8" each are MUCH TOO LARGE for the 20G. The Pictus Catfish http://fish.mongabay.com/pimelodidae.htm (scroll 1/2 way down) grows to 8" also so they are MUCH TOO LARGE for the 20G. If you rehome those seven fish, you may be OK with the rest as long as you can fill the schools of the fish that should be in schools. Most tetras and barbs need to be in schools but some of them grow too large for a 20G, depending on the dimensions, so you need to check this out as well. I think I had you beat though. The 10G I adopted/saved had a common pleco (grows to 18"+), a partial school of Albino Buenos Aires Tetras and a partial school of Zebra Danios and two Blue/Opaline Gouramis (grows to 6" each)... although your five Silver Dollars makes it close. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / Lenny And I mean ALL....... I could not believe how many fish are in this tank !!!! 3 tiger barbs, 2 (?) barbs . orange with white stripes, 5 silver dollars(?), 4 tetras, 2 regular neons, 1 neon with orange stripe, 2 pictus catfish ...... 19 fish total !!!!!! (I don't think I missed counting any...) And I think the pictus are male and female because they are cleaning each other off and following each other around real close... Almost sleeping one on top of the other... Either that or they are rejoicing to be in a clean tank!! Will be visiting my local pet store to bring them most of the fish!!! Do neons and fancy tail guppies get along? I don't remember and I'm too tired to look it up on the chart lol Also what type of catfish stays small? How many fish should there be in a 20 gallon tank? I was thinking 4-6 fancy tail guppies (all male), 2 otocinclus, and 2 catfish ??? I will be giving the tank to my friend but must change the fish to a better / safer bioload .... At the moment I have 2 HOB filters ... an aqua clear 30 and a aqua tech 20-40 so at least the filtration is ok for a day or 2. The previous owner only had the aqua clear 30 on the tank and did not do regular maintenance on the tank. She also had enough gravel in the tank (as far as I am concerned) for a 180 gallon tank ... the stones must have been 4 inches deep!!! Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38708	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

LOL. Was too busy most of the day to answer emails. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:00 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38709	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

I wonder if Petsmart's skimpy metal stands are good for that. I have one. It does sway and bend. Not all by itself, but it is flexible. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium That's why I live in N'Awlins.. when it floods, the fish go free. LOL But seriously, I haven't seen much written on this topic... but I bet it's been discussed on BadMan's or TheKrib's sites. I just did a quick Google and here's a few archived discussions from sites that I recognize as usually reliable sites... and I see a thread on MFK (Monster Fish Keepers) too. One thing I did notice is that Acrylic tanks are preferred over glass tanks. Acrylic tanks are more flexible and will not shatter and will not crack as easily as glass either. http://www.thekrib.com/Misc/earthquake.html http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/stands.html (Also see my own DIY Tank Stand article on my blog for a low cost stand that I bet would withstand a mild earthquake.) http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=94 16.0 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138320 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/lounge/22004-earthquake-proofing-aquariums .html http://www.fishforum.com/freshwater-aquariums/earthquake-proof-16647/ This site even mentions 3-year olds with baseball bats and earthquakes in the same paragraph in recommending acrylic tanks. http://www.fishtankwarehouse.com/information/about_us.cfm "... Acrylic is 17 times stronger than glass and will flex instead of shatter - practically childproof - giving your fish a better chance to survive an earthquake (or a rampant three-year old with a baseball bat!). A blow that will break a glass aquarium may only scratch an acrylic one. Because the seams are stronger and the aquarium is more flexible, you can count on having an acrylic aquarium longer..." I don't think you have to worry about a tank sliding off a stand as much as the stand actually collapsing due to the side-to-side or twisting stressors that most stands are not designed to withstand... especially with a very heavy tank sitting on top of it. A tank full of water is VERY heavy and will not likely slide around on anything... unless you have it sitting on a silicone-lubricated teflon-topping on your stand. I didn't even think about the earthquake proofing aspect of acrylic tanks when I bought my first one four years ago... not that I'll ever have to deal with an earthquake down here. LOL That's another thing I like about Hurricanes (the storms and the kind we drink), at least we get to plan for them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Greetings: I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in earthquake country. This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium from the most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the aquarium itself, but could have forced it off its stand. How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake preparedness? Thanks. Troy ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38710	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp

Otos are a challenge. They often die soon through no fault of yours. I'm trying to get some of them going. I have two that seem OK. From the three I bought two weeks ago, one still lives. They need PERFECTLY clean water; I often find them dead when I didn't clean the tank for a day. Feeding them is another challenge. They will only eat algae and some cooked vegetation. Tehy get stones from the local creek, spinach, zucchini, and bits of algae sheet. You have to guard against the food disintegratingin the water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38711	From: Jim Pat.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Need advice in making a tank divider

Well, the Kribs have eggs again in the corner of the tank in he drift wood. I want to section off that part of the tank for them and their fry. I bought a thin piece of Styrene that would be used for lighting, now is Styrene safe for the fish? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38712	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Gotta look out for them earthquake engineers. Except for basic common sense, like sturdiness and flexibility, I wouldn't trust them farther than I can throw them. You do have to expect that if hte house falls down, it's good bye aquarium. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38713	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

Hello All, I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the morning? TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:00 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38714	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Its Friday! Everybody's restin' up  to party!!!   Sandi --- On Fri, 4/3/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:00 PM Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning!   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38715	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something outdoors) for a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water bound will be home for lots of land critters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. How's that tank cleaning going Bill? Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood pieces? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > morning! > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38716	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Those cheap metal Petsmart stands have the tank rest on structures beneath the actual frame, which sits around the bottom of the tank. Tank couldn't jsut slide off unless the ground tilted more than slightly. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the stand would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in the front and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to tip over since an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This could easily be done in the construction phase of my tank stand or could be done with an add-on of a 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the depth of the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least 6" from the wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't want the tank rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress on the tank that it is not designed to withstand... especially if only one corner of the tank top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are reinforced concrete and designed to withstand an earthquake, then mounting the stand and thus the tank to that wall would be OK but if it's just a normal home wall with wood construction, then that wall would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the tank and stand mounted to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks living in earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low to the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then put an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and you are good to go! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > earthquake country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful > recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the > aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand > and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but > I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house > framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38717	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I also see where there were 5-6 messages waiting for moderation. They should be coming out soon now. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:00 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38718	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Hopefully, the food item will soften or dissolve. If not, they will usually be able to dislodge it themselves.. but not always. I lost a goldfish a few years ago who sucked up a piece of gravel and couldn't dislodge it. I was at work for 12 hours and came home to it floating. I've had other goldfish also do this when I'm around but right when I get the net ready to net them to do a Heimlich maneuver on them, they spit it out. Maybe they're just testing my EMT skills. ;-) On a side note... I'm glad to see you and Bill have been keeping this thread going all day. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do about it? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > a few weeks. > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > neon tetra's right out! > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38719	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Well... if there are any land/flying critter housed in the dead wood, you'll have them flying/crawling around your condo soon. ;-) I would run carbon in the filter of that tank, if you aren't doing it already, just to help remove any possible contaminants that might leach from the wood. I would have soaked it outside the tank first. I just approved the pic at this link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1476319 405/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Is the new piece that log looking piece or the root looking piece? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Just uploaded a picture of my 55 gallon with the piece of dead wood and a piece of drift wood both in it and some rocks. No fish in the tank yet, waiting to see if the dead wood piece tries to float away ;) So far so good. When approved, the picture will be found here (or under new photos if you want to find it that way). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list The light is a little bright, but I think the drift wood will help diffuse the lighting a bit. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple > of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also > never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. > Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed > that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed > something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do > about it? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about > > for a few weeks. > > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full > > of neon tetra's right out! > > > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what > > else to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > drift wood pieces? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > morning! > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38720	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider

Is the "styrene" like the egg-crate lighting diffuser used on office lighting? If yes, then yes, it's OK... well it should be OK. Fish keepers have been using that stuff for decades as tank separators. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Well, the Kribs have eggs again in the corner of the tank in he drift wood. I want to section off that part of the tank for them and their fry. I bought a thin piece of Styrene that would be used for lighting, now is Styrene safe for the fish? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38721	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

I think most folks throttle it back completely at lights off. Same with SeaChem's Flourish Excel... dose in the morning after turning lights on. Dosing at night would not be much help, however, SeaChem's FAQ's says it's OK to dose at night as it's a time 24 hour time released compound. I still think it would be better to dose in the morning. http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query Hello All, I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the morning? TIA Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38722	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Sounds like Sandi would LOVE N'Awlins! ;-) Of course, you can find a party 24/7 down here so there's no rest for the weary party-animals! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Its Friday! Everybody's restin' up  to party!!!   Sandi --- On Fri, 4/3/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:00 PM Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning!   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38723	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

taking about fish eating gravel..i have a mystery tale for you Lenny.. about a month ago a purchase two orange goramis  they were find for a month..until i found one of the goramies on the bottom of the tank with his mouth and gill ripped open...I think it was the other goramie but i may be wrong and he tried to eat some gravel.  and yes i dont know how to spell goramis..lol --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:02 PM Hopefully, the food item will soften or dissolve. If not, they will usually be able to dislodge it themselves.. but not always. I lost a goldfish a few years ago who sucked up a piece of gravel and couldn't dislodge it. I was at work for 12 hours and came home to it floating. I've had other goldfish also do this when I'm around but right when I get the net ready to net them to do a Heimlich maneuver on them, they spit it out. Maybe they're just testing my EMT skills. ;-) On a side note... I'm glad to see you and Bill have been keeping this thread going all day. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do about it? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > a few weeks. > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > neon tetra's right out! > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38724	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider

Lenny, Yes, it's the lighting diffuser material for office lights. It's clear and a solid sheet, I will be drilling hundreds of 1/16" holes in it for water to pass through.... I am trying to keep this bunch of fry alive.. I also have fry food form the last attempt at this.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:13:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Is the "styrene" like the egg-crate lighting diffuser used on office lighting? If yes, then yes, it's OK... well it should be OK. Fish keepers have been using that stuff for decades as tank separators. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Well, the Kribs have eggs again in the corner of the tank in he drift wood. I want to section off that part of the tank for them and their fry. I bought a thin piece of Styrene that would be used for lighting, now is Styrene safe for the fish? Thanks, Jim **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38725	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

The ground also can roll or bounce. Not shust shake side to side. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Those cheap metal Petsmart stands have the tank rest on structures beneath the actual frame, which sits around the bottom of the tank. Tank couldn't jsut slide off unless the ground tilted more than slightly. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the stand would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in the front and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to tip over since an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This could easily be done in the construction phase of my tank stand or could be done with an add-on of a 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the depth of the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least 6" from the wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't want the tank rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress on the tank that it is not designed to withstand... especially if only one corner of the tank top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are reinforced concrete and designed to withstand an earthquake, then mounting the stand and thus the tank to that wall would be OK but if it's just a normal home wall with wood construction, then that wall would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the tank and stand mounted to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks living in earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low to the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then put an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and you are good to go! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums pr esent some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > earthquake country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful > recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the > aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand > and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but > I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house > framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸C2.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38726	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider

Oh.. so you have the solid stuff and plan on drilling. They also sell the egg-crate stuff with either 3/8" or 1/2" squares pre-formed so you don't have to drill any holes. In your case, just make sure you have your filter intake on the side with the fry and the returning water on the other side so the water will be coming into the side with the fry. That water flowing through the small holes should also keep the fry from swimming out through the small holes. Here's an example of the stuff I was talking about. http://www.professionalplastics.com/EGGCRATELOUVERS-LIGHTING Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jpateson@... Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Lenny, Yes, it's the lighting diffuser material for office lights. It's clear and a solid sheet, I will be drilling hundreds of 1/16" holes in it for water to pass through.... I am trying to keep this bunch of fry alive.. I also have fry food form the last attempt at this.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:13:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Is the "styrene" like the egg-crate lighting diffuser used on office lighting? If yes, then yes, it's OK... well it should be OK. Fish keepers have been using that stuff for decades as tank separators. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Well, the Kribs have eggs again in the corner of the tank in he drift wood. I want to section off that part of the tank for them and their fry. I bought a thin piece of Styrene that would be used for lighting, now is Styrene safe for the fish? Thanks, Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38727	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami death (was: A Quite Mail Day?)

The damage could have been done after death but Gourami's have been known to lip-fight... called Kissing Gourami's with a highly likely orange variant. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile60.html This page has lots of pics of different variants/species of Gourami's so see if you see yours here if it's not the one above. http://www.bayfish.com.au/category16_1.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? taking about fish eating gravel..i have a mystery tale for you Lenny.. about a month ago a purchase two orange goramis  they were find for a month..until i found one of the goramies on the bottom of the tank with his mouth and gill ripped open...I think it was the other goramie but i may be wrong and he tried to eat some gravel.  and yes i dont know how to spell goramis..lol --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:02 PM Hopefully, the food item will soften or dissolve. If not, they will usually be able to dislodge it themselves.. but not always. I lost a goldfish a few years ago who sucked up a piece of gravel and couldn't dislodge it. I was at work for 12 hours and came home to it floating. I've had other goldfish also do this when I'm around but right when I get the net ready to net them to do a Heimlich maneuver on them, they spit it out. Maybe they're just testing my EMT skills. ;-) On a side note... I'm glad to see you and Bill have been keeping this thread going all day. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do about it? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > a few weeks. > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > neon tetra's right out! > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38728	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Isn't that a line from "Don't dance no more with that big fat woman"? LOL I think the next line went something like... But if you dance with her all night, it'll be like a roller-coaster ride! LOL Yes, I made all of that up. I only remember the chorus from that song. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium The ground also can roll or bounce. Not shust shake side to side. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Those cheap metal Petsmart stands have the tank rest on structures beneath the actual frame, which sits around the bottom of the tank. Tank couldn't jsut slide off unless the ground tilted more than slightly. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the stand would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in the front and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to tip over since an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This could easily be done in the construction phase of my tank stand or could be done with an add-on of a 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the depth of the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least 6" from the wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't want the tank rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress on the tank that it is not designed to withstand... especially if only one corner of the tank top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are reinforced concrete and designed to withstand an earthquake, then mounting the stand and thus the tank to that wall would be OK but if it's just a normal home wall with wood construction, then that wall would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the tank and stand mounted to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks living in earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low to the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then put an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and you are good to go! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums pr esent some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Greetings: > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > earthquake country. > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > from the > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful > recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the > aquarium itself, > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand > and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but > I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house > framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the > aquarium to crack or burst. > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > preparedness? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38729	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

I've read that it is prefable to add Excel in the morning. It is good for only 24 hours. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:55 AM, "red-eye " <red-eye@...> wrote: Hello All, I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the morning? TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:00 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this morning! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38730	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

It would not be a good idea, it will start to decay & depending on the species possible leak tannins into the water which will turn the water a muddy brown. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. How's that tank cleaning going Bill? Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood pieces? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > slept in this morning! > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38731	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Scouting Shells

OK, a cryptic subject, to be sure. However, I thought some may have interest in looking at this paper. Seashells: the Plainness and Beauty of Their Mathematical Descriptions [pdf] http://mathdl.maa.org/mathDL/23/?pa=content&sa=viewDocument&nodeId=3294 How do plants and animals grow, one might ask? Jorge Picado of the Universidade de Coimbra recently looked into the question of how seashells grow, and has produced this lovely article which is offered as part of the Mathematical Association of America's (MAA) Digital Library collection. As Picado suggests in the abstract for this paper, "Many aspects of the growth of plants and animals may be described by remarkably simple mathematical laws." Utilizing the LiveGraphics3D Java applet, Picado elaborates on how seashells grow, along with offering some commentary on additional examples and a bibliography. The paper is also available here in Portuguese. >From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout 1994-2009. http://scout.wisc.edu/ \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38732	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Gourami death (was: A Quite Mail Day?)

Flame dwarf gouramis there so beautiful awesome colors. i also noticed both were males i guess there was some late night fighting there..lol --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gourami death (was: A Quite Mail Day?) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:45 PM The damage could have been done after death but Gourami's have been known to lip-fight... called Kissing Gourami's with a highly likely orange variant. http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ profiles/ profile60. html This page has lots of pics of different variants/species of Gourami's so see if you see yours here if it's not the one above. http://www.bayfish. com.au/category1 6_1.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:24 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? taking about fish eating gravel..i have a mystery tale for you Lenny.. about a month ago a purchase two orange goramis  they were find for a month..until i found one of the goramies on the bottom of the tank with his mouth and gill ripped open...I think it was the other goramie but i may be wrong and he tried to eat some gravel.  and yes i dont know how to spell goramis..lol --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:02 PM Hopefully, the food item will soften or dissolve. If not, they will usually be able to dislodge it themselves.. but not always. I lost a goldfish a few years ago who sucked up a piece of gravel and couldn't dislodge it. I was at work for 12 hours and came home to it floating. I've had other goldfish also do this when I'm around but right when I get the net ready to net them to do a Heimlich maneuver on them, they spit it out. Maybe they're just testing my EMT skills. ;-) On a side note... I'm glad to see you and Bill have been keeping this thread going all day. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do about it? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > Hi Amber, > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about for > a few weeks. > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full of > neon tetra's right out! > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what else > to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38733	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also washed it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish tank right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's been approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait and see what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's safe? I have the API freshwater master test kit. Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I noticed the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you can't see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps the food is still disolving. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > outdoors) for > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water bound > will be home for lots of land critters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and > is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift wood", I > have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's been > debarked but > was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me to put in my tank if I > did the same sanitizing as I did for my other drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38734	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Both of the pieces are new, the one on the left is true drift wood that I soaked for about a month in a tub to get it to sink, then sanitized it again in the dishwasher for good measure. The root looking one is the dead wood piece. I had it soaking (inside) in the same tub with the other driftwood piece for about a month, but only half of it would fit in the tub. I would have noticed any critters by now I would think, but you never know. Oh, and I already have carbon running, I thought ahead of you Lenny ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Well... if there are any land/flying critter housed in the dead wood, > you'll > have them flying/crawling around your condo soon. ;-) > > I would run carbon in the filter of that tank, if you aren't doing it > already, just to help remove any possible contaminants that might > leach from > the wood. I would have soaked it outside the tank first. > > I just approved the pic at this link > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1476319 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1476319> > 405/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc > > Is the new piece that log looking piece or the root looking piece? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Just uploaded a picture of my 55 gallon with the piece of dead wood and a > piece of drift wood both in it and some rocks. No fish in the tank yet, > waiting to see if the dead wood piece tries to float away ;) So far so > good. > When approved, the picture will be found here (or under new photos if you > want to find it that way). > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > The light is a little bright, but I think the drift wood will help diffuse > the lighting a bit. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I had a piece of driftwood floating in my 125 gallon tank for a couple > > of months, it never sank as it wasn't fully submerged but it also > > never caused any issues with the water quality that I could see. > > Unless it causes constipation in tetras ;) On a side note, I noticed > > that one of my guppy fry has her mouth stuck open, I must have fed > > something just a little too large to them. Is there something I can do > > about it? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > At least that much BUT STILL. > > > > > > I would put the piece in a tank with the fish you least care about > > > for a few weeks. > > > I don't mean to sound cold blooded here but better there than in the > > > tank with your absolute favorites and have disaster. I know, it > > > happened to me once. With wood from the shore, took a 20 long full > > > of neon tetra's right out! > > > > > > Sorry, I am not one to trust "wild" driftwood. I know Lenny's right, > > > where do you think the store bought items come from! Still I know > > > most in store items are usually sand-blasted and Lord knows what > > > else to give them that smooth finish and be sterile. > > > > > > Not trying to dis-wade or scare you, just trying to make you aware. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:58 PM > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this on larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was required to fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. Normally, if something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over their gills where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what ever does have it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also washed it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish tank right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's been approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait and see what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's safe? I have the API freshwater master test kit. Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I noticed the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you can't see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps the food is still disolving. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > outdoors) for > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > drift wood pieces? > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > morning! > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38736	From: Jpateson@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Need advice in making a tank divider

Lenny, That is the way it will be set up.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:34:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Oh.. so you have the solid stuff and plan on drilling. They also sell the egg-crate stuff with either 3/8" or 1/2" squares pre-formed so you don't have to drill any holes. In your case, just make sure you have your filter intake on the side with the fry and the returning water on the other side so the water will be coming into the side with the fry. That water flowing through the small holes should also keep the fry from swimming out through the small holes. Here's an example of the stuff I was talking about. _http://www.professihttp://www.prhttp://www.profehttp://www.p_ (http://www.professionalplastics.com/EGGCRATELOUVERS-LIGHTING) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Jpateson@..._ (mailto:Jpateson@...) Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:20 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Lenny, Yes, it's the lighting diffuser material for office lights. It's clear and a solid sheet, I will be drilling hundreds of 1/16" holes in it for water to pass through.... I am trying to keep this bunch of fry alive.. I also have fry food form the last attempt at this.. Thanks, Jim In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:13:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Is the "styrene" like the egg-crate lighting diffuser used on office lighting? If yes, then yes, it's OK... well it should be OK. Fish keepers have been using that stuff for decades as tank separators. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of Jim Pat. Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquTo: _Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Need advice in making a tank divider Well, the Kribs have eggs again in the corner of the tank in he drift wood. I want to section off that part of the tank for them and their fry. I bought a thin piece of Styrene that would be used for lighting, now is Styrene safe for the fish? Thanks, Jim **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38737	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp eggs (the flake food is ground up). I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next feeding. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this on > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was required to > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. Normally, if > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over their > gills > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what ever does > have > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > washed > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish > tank > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's been > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait and see > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's > safe? > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I noticed > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you can't > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps the food > is still disolving. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > outdoors) for > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > drift wood pieces? > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > morning! > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38738	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

"I feel the earth - move - under my feet I feel the sky tum-b-ling down - tum b - ling down" "I Feel the Earth Move" Carol King, 1971, from "Tapestry" \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Isn't that a line from "Don't dance no more with that big fat woman"? LOL > > I think the next line went something like... > > But if you dance with her all night, it'll be like a roller-coaster ride! > > LOL > > Yes, I made all of that up. I only remember the chorus from that song. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Deenerz@... > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > The ground also can roll or bounce. Not shust shake side to side. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:12 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > > > > > > Those cheap metal Petsmart stands have the tank rest on structures beneath > the actual frame, which sits around the bottom of the tank. Tank couldn't > jsut slide off unless the ground tilted more than slightly. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:32 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the stand > would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in the front > and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to tip over since > an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This could easily be done in > the construction phase of my tank stand or could be done with an add-on of a > 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the depth of > the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least 6" from the > wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't want the tank > rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress on the tank that it > is not designed to withstand... especially if only one corner of the tank > top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are reinforced concrete and designed > to withstand an earthquake, then mounting the stand and thus the tank to > that wall would be OK but if it's just a normal home wall with wood > construction, then that wall would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the > tank and stand mounted to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks > living in earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low > to the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then put > an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and you are > good to go! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, > > I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some > information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic > tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. > > I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake > protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think > would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums pr > esent some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the > stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since > aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the > earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the > tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. > > I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's stand > design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand to let the > tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. > > Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. > > Thanks. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as the > search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums and > earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of > > Troy > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > > > Greetings: > > > > > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have found > > > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > > earthquake country. > > > > > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > > from > the > > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do to > > minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most powerful > > recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have hurt the > > aquarium > itself, > > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the stand > > and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, but > > I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the house > > framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused the > > aquarium > to crack or burst. > > > > > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium earthquake > > preparedness? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Troy > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38739	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

Most of the people I know who have CO2 feeding into their tank do not throttle it back. The ones with the fancier setups have a controller that monitors the pH of the water, and it does control the amount of CO2 coming into the tank, but, this throttling back will not necessarily happen at night. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > red-eye > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query > > Hello All, > > I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 > at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? > > What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the > morning? > > TIA > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:00 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have > slept in this morning! > > Bill >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

It's all Mikey's fault! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium "I feel the earth - move - under my feet I feel the sky tum-b-ling down - tum b - ling down" "I Feel the Earth Move" Carol King, 1971, from "Tapestry" \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Isn't that a line from "Don't dance no more with that big fat woman"? > LOL > > I think the next line went something like... > > But if you dance with her all night, it'll be like a roller-coaster ride! > > LOL > > Yes, I made all of that up. I only remember the chorus from that > song. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Deenerz@... > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > The ground also can roll or bounce. Not shust shake side to side. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:12 am > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > > > > > > Those cheap metal Petsmart stands have the tank rest on structures > beneath the actual frame, which sits around the bottom of the tank. > Tank couldn't jsut slide off unless the ground tilted more than slightly. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:32 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Yeah. I think having a secure stand and then securing the tank to the > stand would be the way to go. Maybe add some feet, sticking out 6" in > the front and back, to my tank stand design to make it less likely to > tip over since an aquarium stand/tank is inherently top heavy. This > could easily be done in the construction phase of my tank stand or > could be done with an add-on of a > 2x4 screwed into the base on each end that is 12" longer than the > depth of the stand. Of course, this means the tank would be at least > 6" from the wall, which might not be a bad thing since you wouldn't > want the tank rocking backwards into the wall which would put stress > on the tank that it is not designed to withstand... especially if only > one corner of the tank top hits the wall. I guess if the walls are > reinforced concrete and designed to withstand an earthquake, then > mounting the stand and thus the tank to that wall would be OK but if > it's just a normal home wall with wood construction, then that wall > would certainly flex so you wouldn't want the tank and stand mounted > to that wall. I guess the best kind of tank for folks living in > earthquake zones would be the plastic kiddies swimming pools. Low to > the ground, flexible, etc... the perfect earthquake proof tank. Then > put an acrylic table on top of it to protect from falling debris and > you are good to go! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, > > I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some > information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an > acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. > > I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as > earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something > that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings > it down. Glass aquariums pr esent some interesting challenges. They > are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand > can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, > they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the > ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. > > I do have some ideas for reinforcing the stand, thanks to Lenny's > stand design. It seems that it might be better to reinforce the stand > to let the tank rock a bit rather than securing the tank to a wall. > > Mike, please let us know if the people at Stanford have anything to add. > > Thanks. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:22 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > Using the words "aquarium" and "earthquake" (without the quotes) as > the search terms, I found a bunch of stuff on Google about aquariums > and earthquakes and preparing your tank for earthquakes. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > > Troy > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium > > > > Greetings: > > > > > > > > I have done a little searching around the Internets, but I have > > found > > > no good guidance on how to best setup and protect an aquarium in > > earthquake country. > > > > > > > > This is nothing that can be reasonably done to protect the aquarium > > from > the > > most powerful quakes, but I would think there are things one can do > > to minimize the damage done by the moderate quakes. The most > > powerful recent quake in this area was a 6.8, which would not have > > hurt the aquarium > itself, > > but could have forced it off its stand. > > > > > > > > How does one keep an aquarium from sliding off its stand, or the > > stand and aquarium from rocking over? I have heard of people using > > earthquake straps to bolt aquarium fixtures to the house framing, > > but I would think the differences in motion and rigidity between the > > house framing and the floor vs. the aquarium and stand would caused > > the aquarium > to crack or burst. > > > > > > > > As anyone come across any research or guidance on aquarium > > earthquake preparedness? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38741	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has been 24 hours so far. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next feeding. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this on > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > required to > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > Normally, if > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over their > > gills > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what ever does > > have > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > washed > > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish > > tank > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's been > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait > and see > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's > > safe? > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > noticed > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > can't > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > the food > > is still disolving. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > outdoors) for > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38742	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my guppy fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my guppy's are easy to reproduce ;). I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn the water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm going to snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria in the rena filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the tank from cycling with fry in it. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps > she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's > still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to > happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has > been 24 hours so far. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next feeding. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this on > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > required to > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > > Normally, if > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over their > > > gills > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what ever does > > > have > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > > washed > > > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish > > > tank > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's > been > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait > > and see > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's > > > safe? > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > > noticed > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > > can't > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > > the food > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > outdoors) for > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38743	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Yes, a smaller fry would not dissolve as food would have by now. Fish do have a "tooth" at the back of their mouth for chewing food but they at least have to get the food back to that point. With a big fish, you could capture and then use tweezers, etc. to remove an object but I have no clue what to tell you about a fry. If it doesn't make it, it's Darwinism at it's finest... stupid fish! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has been 24 hours so far. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next feeding. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this > > on larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > required to > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > Normally, if > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over > > their gills where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, > > what ever does have it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to > > breathe. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > washed it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in > > the fish tank right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon > > tank if it's been approved). I still haven't added fish, do you > > think I should wait > and see > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if > > it's safe? > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > noticed > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > can't > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > the food > > is still disolving. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > outdoors) for > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, > > > it's been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe > > > for me to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for > > > my other drift wood pieces? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

Guppy fry in a 55G would be virtually NO bioload. I probably wouldn't even worry about transferring some N-bacteria as the N-bacteria will probably die off due to lack of ammonia, but I guess it depends on how many fry. If it's dozens of fry, then it might make a difference. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my guppy fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my guppy's are easy to reproduce ;). I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn the water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm going to snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria in the rena filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the tank from cycling with fry in it. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps > she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's > still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to > happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has > been 24 hours so far. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next feeding. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen this on > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > required to > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > > Normally, if > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over their > > > gills > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what ever does > > > have > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > > washed > > > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in the fish > > > tank > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's > been > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait > > and see > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see if it's > > > safe? > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > > noticed > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > > can't > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > > the food > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > outdoors) for > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, it's > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe for me > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my other > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38745	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I'm really not sure how many there are, but I wasn't planning on taking the really small ones out. Should I take all the fry out and put them in the 55 gallon? There are 2 really small ones that will be hard to net ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Guppy fry in a 55G would be virtually NO bioload. I probably wouldn't even > worry about transferring some N-bacteria as the N-bacteria will > probably die > off due to lack of ammonia, but I guess it depends on how many fry. If > it's > dozens of fry, then it might make a difference. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my guppy > fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my > guppy's are > easy to reproduce ;). > I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn the > water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm > going to > snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria in the rena > filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the tank from > cycling > with fry in it. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps > > she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's > > still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to > > happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has > > been 24 hours so far. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > > > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > > > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next > feeding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen > this on > > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > > required to > > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > > > Normally, if > > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over > their > > > > gills > > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what > ever does > > > > have > > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > > > washed > > > > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in > the fish > > > > tank > > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's > > been > > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait > > > and see > > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see > if it's > > > > safe? > > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > > > noticed > > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > > > can't > > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > > > the food > > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > > outdoors) for > > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, > it's > > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe > for me > > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my > other > > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38746	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp

well I do weekly pwc and that keeps the water pretty clean. I added some fern plants today. got another replacement Otto  put a slice of zucchini in for the 2 I have to eat. plus algae wafers as that is all I have at the moment. I plan on seeing if I can get some algae covered rocks from the lake near by. might just keep them in the lake water and alternate every so often. The ferns both require moderate light. Between the light on the hood, the lights kept on in the living room and coming in from the windows that should do for the light requirements Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp Otos are a challenge. They often die soon through no fault of yours. I'm trying to get some of them going. I have two that seem OK. From the three I bought two weeks ago, one still lives. They need PERFECTLY clean water; I often find them dead when I didn't clean the tank for a day. Feeding them is another challenge. They will only eat algae and some cooked vegetation. Tehy get stones from the local creek, spinach, zucchini, and bits of algae sheet. You have to guard against the food disintegratingin the water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38747	From: Lisa	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Rams

Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood that is now established thanks to my current occupants. 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. . Thanks. Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38748	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

So will putting fry in the tank and having them slowly grow up in it slowly cycle the tank? Or is there a point where I should worry about adding something cycled from one of my other filters? The fry are maybe half an inch long at this point. You can tell the males/females. There are 16 fry total that I netted out to put into the 55 gallon tank. I left 2 females and 2 tiny fry in the 10 gallon tank downstairs. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Guppy fry in a 55G would be virtually NO bioload. I probably wouldn't even > worry about transferring some N-bacteria as the N-bacteria will > probably die > off due to lack of ammonia, but I guess it depends on how many fry. If > it's > dozens of fry, then it might make a difference. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my guppy > fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my > guppy's are > easy to reproduce ;). > I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn the > water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm > going to > snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria in the rena > filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the tank from > cycling > with fry in it. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. Perhaps > > she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for karma? She's > > still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure what's going to > > happen with her, as you said she should have suffocated by now. It has > > been 24 hours so far. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine shrimp > > > eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in her > > > mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their next > feeding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen > this on > > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > > required to > > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is even a > > > > possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > > > Normally, if > > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect their > > > > breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it over > their > > > > gills > > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what > ever does > > > > have > > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I also > > > > washed > > > > it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I have it in > the fish > > > > tank > > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if it's > > been > > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should wait > > > and see > > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see > if it's > > > > safe? > > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, I > > > noticed > > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) you > > > can't > > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so perhaps > > > the food > > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > > outdoors) for > > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not water > > > > > bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has bad > > > > > weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about "drift > > > > > wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat looking, > it's > > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe > for me > > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my > other > > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in this > > > > > > morning! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38749	From: Troy	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

If the house falls down, I won’t be much concerned with the aquarium. I do, however, have a lot of confidence in the science and engineering pertaining to earthquakes. Compare what earthquakes do to the US West coast and Japan compared to what happens in places that don’t have earthquake engineering built in their structures. My last earthquake experience of significance was a 6.8. There were no deaths and the only property damage of any significance was to pre-code brick buildings. BTW, there are some faults rather close to New Orleans, which is also gradually sinking. Nowhere is safe. We are all floating on slowly churning rock, which is floating on a spinning iron ball. After that, it’s all elephants. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Gotta look out for them earthquake engineers. Except for basic common sense, like sturdiness and flexibility, I wouldn't trust them farther than I can throw them. You do have to expect that if hte house falls down, it's good bye aquarium. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38750	From: red-eye	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

Thanks for the info. I am getting ready to install CO2 on two tanks a 90 and a 65 gallon, hopefully after 4-15 Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query I think most folks throttle it back completely at lights off. Same with SeaChem's Flourish Excel... dose in the morning after turning lights on. Dosing at night would not be much help, however, SeaChem's FAQ's says it's OK to dose at night as it's a time 24 hour time released compound. I still think it would be better to dose in the morning. http://www.seachem. <http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html> com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:56 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query Hello All, I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the morning? TIA Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38751	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

I guess it wouldn't hurt to seed the new filter a little. 16 1/2" fry aren't much of a bioload for a 55G but since you will be (or should be) feeding frequently, any missed food would add to the bioload. 16 1/2" fry is probably less body mass than a single adult guppy and I don't think a single guppy, in a 55G, would create enough ammonia in a month to even show up on an ammonia test kit. As the fry grow and put out more ammonia, then yes, whatever N-bacteria you have seeded in the filter for the 55G, will grow larger colonies as the bioload increases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? So will putting fry in the tank and having them slowly grow up in it slowly cycle the tank? Or is there a point where I should worry about adding something cycled from one of my other filters? The fry are maybe half an inch long at this point. You can tell the males/females. There are 16 fry total that I netted out to put into the 55 gallon tank. I left 2 females and 2 tiny fry in the 10 gallon tank downstairs. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Guppy fry in a 55G would be virtually NO bioload. I probably wouldn't > even worry about transferring some N-bacteria as the N-bacteria will > probably die off due to lack of ammonia, but I guess it depends on how > many fry. If it's dozens of fry, then it might make a difference. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my > guppy fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my > guppy's are easy to reproduce ;). > I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn > the water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm > going to snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria > in the rena filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the > tank from cycling with fry in it. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. > > Perhaps she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for > > karma? She's still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure > > what's going to happen with her, as you said she should have > > suffocated by now. It has been 24 hours so far. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine > > > shrimp eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in > > > her mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their > > > next > feeding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen > this on > > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > > required to > > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is > > > > even a possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix possible. > > > Normally, if > > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect > > > > their breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it > > > > over > their > > > > gills > > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what > ever does > > > > have > > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I > > > > also washed it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I > > > > have it in > the fish > > > > tank > > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if > > > > it's > > been > > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should > > > > wait > > > and see > > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see > if it's > > > > safe? > > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, > > > > I > > > noticed > > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) > > > > you > > > can't > > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so > > > > perhaps > > > the food > > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > > outdoors) for > > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not > > > > > water bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has > > > > > bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about > > > > > "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat > > > > > looking, > it's > > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe > for me > > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my > other > > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in > > > > > > this morning! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38752	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: A Quite Mail Day?

The fry seem to have acclimated fine, no weird acting fry at least ;) We will see how things are going tomorrow. I will seed the filter tomorrow with a few pieces of bio-balls out of the aquaclear, that should be enough to do something. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I guess it wouldn't hurt to seed the new filter a little. 16 1/2" fry > aren't much of a bioload for a 55G but since you will be (or should be) > feeding frequently, any missed food would add to the bioload. 16 1/2" fry > is probably less body mass than a single adult guppy and I don't think a > single guppy, in a 55G, would create enough ammonia in a month to even > show > up on an ammonia test kit. As the fry grow and put out more ammonia, then > yes, whatever N-bacteria you have seeded in the filter for the 55G, will > grow larger colonies as the bioload increases. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > So will putting fry in the tank and having them slowly grow up in it > slowly > cycle the tank? Or is there a point where I should worry about adding > something cycled from one of my other filters? The fry are maybe half an > inch long at this point. You can tell the males/females. > There are 16 fry total that I netted out to put into the 55 gallon tank. > I left 2 females and 2 tiny fry in the 10 gallon tank downstairs. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Guppy fry in a 55G would be virtually NO bioload. I probably wouldn't > > even worry about transferring some N-bacteria as the N-bacteria will > > probably die off due to lack of ammonia, but I guess it depends on how > > many fry. If it's dozens of fry, then it might make a difference. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:59 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > Okay my way of testing the tank out to see if it's safe is to put my > > guppy fry in it, LOL. They are obviously my least expensive fish as my > > guppy's are easy to reproduce ;). > > I'm going to put a sponge pre-filter over the filter intake, and turn > > the water flow down a bit (I love the rena filstar xp's for that). I'm > > going to snag some bio-balls from the aquaclear to get some bacteria > > in the rena filstar. I figure that it shouldn't take much to keep the > > tank from cycling with fry in it. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay, she still has something in her mouth, it's tan colored. > > > Perhaps she ate a smaller fry and it's stuck? LOL how's that for > > > karma? She's still swimming around fine though, so I'm not sure > > > what's going to happen with her, as you said she should have > > > suffocated by now. It has been 24 hours so far. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm just feeding normal omega one flake food and decapped brine > > > > shrimp eggs (the flake food is ground up). > > > > I guess I will keep an eye on the fry, I couldn't see anything in > > > > her mouth today when I fed them earlier. I will check at their > > > > next > > feeding. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What are you feeding that takes so long to dissolve? > > > > > > > > > > There are instances where a fish will get lock jaw. I've seen > > this on > > > > > larger fish like goldfish and Koi. Veterinary intervention was > > > > required to > > > > > fix. I've never kept livebearers so I have no clue if this is > > > > > even a possibility with guppies or if there would be a fix > possible. > > > > Normally, if > > > > > something is blocking the mouth for that long, it would affect > > > > > their breathing (taking in water through their mouth to expel it > > > > > over > > their > > > > > gills > > > > > where the gills extract O2 from the water). Apparently, what > > ever does > > > > > have > > > > > it's mouth stuck open is also allowing it to breathe. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:20 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > > > I had it half soaked, it wouldn't fit in the tub I was using. I > > > > > also washed it in the dishwasher on sanitizing mode as well. I > > > > > have it in > > the fish > > > > > tank > > > > > right now (as you can see from my pic of my 55 gallon tank if > > > > > it's > > > been > > > > > approved). I still haven't added fish, do you think I should > > > > > wait > > > > and see > > > > > what happens? Is there a certain water test I should do to see > > if it's > > > > > safe? > > > > > I have the API freshwater master test kit. > > > > > Also I will keep an eye on the guppy and see if she gets better, > > > > > I > > > > noticed > > > > > the problem last night (with the food showing out of her mouth) > > > > > you > > > > can't > > > > > see the food today, but her mouth is still stuck open, so > > > > > perhaps > > > > the food > > > > > is still disolving. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny had good weather today so I wasn't office-bound. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would test soak your dead wood first (in a tub or something > > > > > > outdoors) for > > > > > > a few weeks to see how it does. Often, dead wood that is not > > > > > > water bound will be home for lots of land critters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A Quite Mail Day? > > > > > > > > > > > > Shhh, I'm hunting fish ;) Huhuhuh. > > > > > > Hard to do Elmer Fudd impressions in text ;) Maybe Lenny has > > > > > > bad weather and is too busy to talk to us today ;) hehe. > > > > > > How's that tank cleaning going Bill? > > > > > > Hey I have a random question for everyone out there about > > > > > > "drift wood", I have a piece of dead wood that's really neat > > > > > > looking, > > it's > > > > > > been debarked but was never floating in the ocean, is it safe > > for me > > > > > > to put in my tank if I did the same sanitizing as I did for my > > other > > > > > > drift wood pieces? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only thing that I can figure is that Len must have slept in > > > > > > > this morning! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: CO2 query

You know, if you can get hold of the past two editions of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist) Magazine, there was a long 2-part series on CO2 and aquariums. I think it was the February and March 2009 editions but I don't have them in front of me. If one does subscribe to TFH Magazine, you also get access to the online digital edition and the archives for reading past editions. Also check out Chuck's Planted Tank articles. Here's one of his about building your own CO2 System (not a CO2 reactor but rather a full system.. although he does have a separate article on a DIY reactor). He says his way will save you up to 50% off the cost of buying a pre-packaged system. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/diy_co2rig.htm While at his site, check out his other page of articles, a couple of them are also about CO2. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query Thanks for the info. I am getting ready to install CO2 on two tanks a 90 and a 65 gallon, hopefully after 4-15 Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query I think most folks throttle it back completely at lights off. Same with SeaChem's Flourish Excel... dose in the morning after turning lights on. Dosing at night would not be much help, however, SeaChem's FAQ's says it's OK to dose at night as it's a time 24 hour time released compound. I still think it would be better to dose in the morning. http://www.seachem. <http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html> com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:56 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife]CO2 query Hello All, I have a question regarding CO2 and dosing. Since the plants do not use CO2 at night do folks put their CO2 setup on a timer? What if you are dosing Excel, does it matter if you do it at night or in the morning? TIA Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38754	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Filter media Q

Hi, I put a new bubble-up filter in my 6 G fry tank, I want to completely replace and throw away the media of the first bubble-up filter because some fry were caught inside and died, not a pretty sight. How long does the new filter need to be established with sufficient N-bacteria? The filter media is polyster. Thanks, Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38755	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q

Hi Noura, I would just clean the old media in some removed tank water to remove the dead fry and most of the other detritus in it. That will keep the majority of the N-bacteria alive in that media while getting rid of the nasty stuff. Then you can reuse that media. After the new filter has been running for several weeks, you should be in better shape but if the bioload on the tank is high, you want to keep as much filtration and cycled media as possible running at all times. For example, even after running the new filter for several weeks, the old running filter will still have the majority of the N-bacteria. After all, there would be no reason for them to move out as long as there was a food source in the old filter media. Certainly some new N-bacteria would have grown in the new filter but if you were to just remove the old one completely, you might be removing 50% and likely much more of the N-bacteria which would then put the tank into a mini-cycle until the N-bacteria on the new filter start growing a large enough colony to keep up with the bioload. Now, if you were to remove 10% to 20% of the old media each week, that would cause only a smaller mini-cycle as the N-bacteria grow on the new filter to catch up. After several weeks of removing small amounts of the old media each time, then the new filter would be fully cycled. If it was me, I would just clean the old stuff and keep both filters running if you have the room. This way, you always have an extra cycled "bubble up" filter ready to move to another container in the event of a illness. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter media Q Hi, I put a new bubble-up filter in my 6 G fry tank, I want to completely replace and throw away the media of the first bubble-up filter because some fry were caught inside and died, not a pretty sight. How long does the new filter need to be established with sufficient N-bacteria? The filter media is polyster. Thanks, Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38756	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood that is now established thanks to my current occupants. > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? > > The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. > . > Thanks. > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38757	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mexican walking fish

I have one word for you, Food! If you are talking about the same fish which is actually an amphibian called a axolotl, and can grow to be around 14 inches. So if you get rid of the cardinals and guppies the rest may make it. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Can they live with anything else? > I was thinking of having one with my betta, my swordtails, one male guppy, and my bristle nose catfish. > > Now that i have an established tank, i was going to trade in my female guppies, and my cardnel tetras. > > Lisa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38758	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Limnopilos naiyanetri crabs

I say DO IT, and let us know how it turns out because I may want to get some myself, this is actually the first time I've heard about these guys. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > I want to get some of these guys. i read there non carnivorous will only eat algae..what do you guys think? sense my tank now is heavy planted >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38759	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

Hi Lisa,   While I am NOT very experienced with RAMS, I am only keeping them for a few months myself, they are my all-time favorites and currently have 4 in a 20-gallon long tank with Panda Cory's and a few Neon Tetra's.   You have provided plenty of information but we need more on your parameters for water. How many Rams do you have and in what size tank?  The 22 Gallon, with all those other fish?   Rams prefer a soft and acid water.  My well water is 5.5 and no GH or KH to speak of.  In addition, they are NOT tolerant of bad or less that prefect water conditions.  They will react right away and show stress if their conditions are not met.  They will hide from you at first but once they are use to your tank they will come to the front to feed and show themselves more.    Tank mates should be non-aggressive of any species but do keep the Rams size in mind. They will only get 2.5 to 3.0 inches.  As I mentioned my Rams are with Panda Cory's and a few Neon Tetra's in a 20-long and will then being going back to a 29 gallon which is down right now due to felonious stupidity on my part.   As far as difficulty goes I would put Rams in with Discus.  To keep them successfully and maybe breed them, their conditions must be met, pristine only, if you please.   Keep us posted,   Bill --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: From: Lisa <lisa_lawless2004@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:18 PM Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood… that is now established thanks to my current occupants. 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. .. Thanks. Lisa   ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38760	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

I have one currently. For some time I tried to keep two in a 65 gal. Same thing always happens, one day they is only one left in the tank. Even though the tank is planted heavily. They will eat neons and can be territorial. They are also beautiful and a real addition to a tank IMHO. I had another pair in a 90 gal but the angels( fairly large) made them disappear. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood that is now established thanks to my current occupants. > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? > > The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. > . > Thanks. > Lisa > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38761	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will “ride” with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium If the house falls down, I won’t be much concerned with the aquarium. I do, however, have a lot of confidence in the science and engineering pertaining to earthquakes. Compare what earthquakes do to the US West coast and Japan compared to what happens in places that don’t have earthquake engineering built in their structures. My last earthquake experience of significance was a 6.8. There were no deaths and the only property damage of any significance was to pre-code brick buildings. BTW, there are some faults rather close to New Orleans, which is also gradually sinking. Nowhere is safe. We are all floating on slowly churning rock, which is floating on a spinning iron ball. After that, it’s all elephants. Troy From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:11 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Gotta look out for them earthquake engineers. Except for basic common sense, like sturdiness and flexibility, I wouldn't trust them farther than I can throw them. You do have to expect that if hte house falls down, it's good bye aquarium. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@comcast. <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> net <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks Steve, Lenny and Mike, I had searched before asking the question (always) and found some information. Most of the information was anecdotal or recommended an acrylic tank. The latter is a great suggestion, but I have the tank that I have. I was hoping to find something with some engineering analysis, as earthquake protection is not always intuitive. Sometimes something that you might think would make a structure stronger actually brings it down. Glass aquariums present some interesting challenges. They are quite rigid, much more than the stand or wall. The walls and stand can flex where the tank cannot. Since aquariums are filled with water, they will retain and dissipate some of the earthquake energy after the ground, stand and walls have stopped moving-the tank will thus continue to quake when the quake is over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38762	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

Hi Red-Eye   One question?  What other fish are in that 65 gallon?   Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: From: red-eye <red-eye@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:49 AM I have one currently. For some time I tried to keep two in a 65 gal.  Same thing always happens, one day they is only one left in the tank. Even though the tank is planted heavily. They will eat neons and can be territorial. They are also beautiful and a real addition to a tank IMHO. I had another pair in a 90 gal but the angels( fairly large) made them disappear.  Regards, red-eye   _____  From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood… that is now established thanks to my current occupants. > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? > > The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. > . > Thanks. > Lisa > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38764	From: bill1433	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Only a thought here but I recently saw a special on the San Francisco earthquake and what they are doing currently about building structures today to incorporate new “Earthquake” technology. It seems from current drawings and illustrations, that they are makeing the buildings slightly movable by the use of rubber type anchors at their base to give the building the ability to actually sway with movement. If this is a concern to you, maybe you should consider some of of rigid foam or rubber material to allow for this movement to them. Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:33 PM Just to clarify.  I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together?  I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem.  I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)     -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell  you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38765	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: food for Ottos

So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating it yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38766	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

I've seen some eat organice romaine lettuce, but the ones I have seem to like tank slime and flake food. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating it yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38767	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

That I feed plenty of as I have 3 guppies in with them. plus some brine shrimp(frozen) for the guppies Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: va22_vyshys <va22_vyshys@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 1:42 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: food for Ottos I've seen some eat organice romaine lettuce, but the ones I have seem to like tank slime and flake food. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating it yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´F`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38768	From: kfm241	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: rainbow fish diet

Could someone tell me what are some good frozen foods to feed my rainbows I have praecox rainbow and boesemani rainbow thank you

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38769	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

What you may be referring to is the way City Hall in LA was re anchored. Simpson Connectors along with Hilti are the leaders in the industry. There is a rule of thumb regarding width to height for furniture. If it is higher than wider then you may have a problem I assure you that you do not want any give it any room to move not even a half of an inch, it must ride with the building. If it does not it be like banging the tank against the wall. I will tie it to the walls as I am not to concerned about uplift. My experience for the last 30 years in seismic country is that in my area they tend to roll rather than jump. When it cause things to jump the best you can do is tie to the structure. Likelihood is the building will depart form the foundation during that kind of activity unless provisions have been made since our last big quake in (1993???) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Only a thought here but I recently saw a special on the San Francisco earthquake and what they are doing currently about building structures today to incorporate new “Earthquake” technology. It seems from current drawings and illustrations, that they are makeing the buildings slightly movable by the use of rubber type anchors at their base to give the building the ability to actually sway with movement. If this is a concern to you, maybe you should consider some of of rigid foam or rubber material to allow for this movement to them. Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:33 PM Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38770	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Floors, walls, ceiling and roof are all tied to each other. The walls hold up the roof, the roof stops the walls from falling over, ceiling joist are tie to both the roof rafters and the walls. The floor joists are connected to the to mud sill (then foundation) . Plywood floors , walls & roofs all act as shear panels (typically). Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38771	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

For some reason, now, I have "Dem Bones" stuck in my head. "The floor joists connected to the - mud sill . . . Oh hear the Word of The Lord" DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Floors, walls, ceiling and roof are all tied to each other. The walls hold up the roof, the roof stops the walls from falling over, ceiling joist are tie to both the roof rafters and the walls. The floor joists are connected to the to mud sill (then foundation) . Plywood floors , walls & roofs all act as shear panels (typically). Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38772	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

I keep 2 bolivian rams in my 125 gallon tank with the rest of my fish, occasionally I have noticed them chase fish out of their territory, but most of the time they are fairly passive. They don't seem to mind my live bearers, I have guppy's and Platy's, as well as other fish (dwarf gourami, 2 angel fish, 1 severum, 6 hillstream loaches, and 2 glofish danio's). But they might be okay with the mixture of fish because it's such a large tank. Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet > sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, > but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all > over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and > swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) > and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own > eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want > the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the > bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live > bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not > know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> > wrote: > > > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off > people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic > plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood… that is now > established thanks to my current occupants. > > > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli > loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a > male betta. > > > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, > and swordtails? > > > > The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination > of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine > eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom > feeder pellets. > > > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but > pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so > please, no in depth techno jargen. > > . > > Thanks. > > Lisa > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38773	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it up for the Otto's. Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating it > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38774	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank

So far so good, none of the guppy fry passed on over night, so the tank must be safe with the drift wood in it ;). I find it interesting to note that out of all that fry there are very few males, suppose that's a good ratio as they won't stress out the females later on. It really looks like I only have 2-3 males out of all 16 guppy fry ;) LOL. I don't mind though. I want to put a few of the females down in the big tank when they're bigger, so there's more females down there, I have a 4-3 ratio on females to males, but would like it to be higher. I'm really curious to find out what the 2 new fry are, but I'll have to wait for that ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38775	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well?  How often should I feed the zucchini? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it up for the Otto's. Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating i t > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38776	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

Pleco's might eat it too, some do. I'm not sure how often you should feed it, but I don't think it would be bad if you fed it every other day, someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, LOL> Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they > are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to > things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive > and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy > whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How > often should I feed the zucchini? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos > > Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. > If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it > in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it > up for the Otto's. > Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove > it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating i > t > > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > > > Kate Dale > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38777	From: Samuel Pearson	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

The German blue's that I had were very territorial, they chased my chocolate gouramis, they chased any fish they even killed my ghost shrimp, and ate them, they attacked the dwarf frogs i had, but when it came to the Betta they were bullied frequently. I personally didn't get it. They were breeding every week then eating the eggs, so I moved them to another tank then I had successful spawns. So I assume that Bolivians have a moreaggressive or territorial demeanor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38778	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank

If you're going to have males and females mixed, of just about every species of fish (with exclusions for certain species), it's best to have at least two females for every male just so the girls get some rest from the males. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank So far so good, none of the guppy fry passed on over night, so the tank must be safe with the drift wood in it ;). I find it interesting to note that out of all that fry there are very few males, suppose that's a good ratio as they won't stress out the females later on. It really looks like I only have 2-3 males out of all 16 guppy fry ;) LOL. I don't mind though. I want to put a few of the females down in the big tank when they're bigger, so there's more females down there, I have a 4-3 ratio on females to males, but would like it to be higher. I'm really curious to find out what the 2 new fry are, but I'll have to wait for that ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38779	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

You can slice it and freeze the extras. Then as you need it, just nuke (microwave) a piece for 10 or so seconds to defrost/blanche it at the same time. Or just buy the bag of frozen sliced zucchini already like I do. 99 cents for a 1 pound bag in my area of the USA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well?  How often should I feed the zucchini? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it up for the Otto's. Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating i t > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38780	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

Plecos LOVE zucchini. At least every species that I've owned has loved it. Here's an article for more info on feeding plecos and technically, it's about feeding "suckermouth catfish" which includes Oto's. http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11018 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Pleco's might eat it too, some do. I'm not sure how often you should feed it, but I don't think it would be bad if you fed it every other day, someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, LOL> Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they > are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to > things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive > and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy > whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How > often should I feed the zucchini? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos > > Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. > If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it > in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it > up for the Otto's. > Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove > it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns > > both say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the > > hood light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the > > 2 windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. > > . I have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I > > have put a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them > > eating i > t > > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38781	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

tried to find the already sliced ones and couldn't. but now to see if they will get eaten. so far no luck I am happy to report that both replacement ottos i have now are still living. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 6:37 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos You can slice it and freeze the extras. Then as you need it, just nuke (microwave) a piece for 10 or so seconds to defrost/blanche it at the same time. Or just buy the bag of frozen sliced zucchini already like I do. 99 cents for a 1 pound bag in my area of the USA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well?  How often should I feed the zucchini? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it up for the Otto's. Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating i t > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.>< ((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38782	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank

How about 2 males and 14 females? LOL. I am planning on putting a few more of the females down in the big tank when they get a little bigger, right now I worry about the Severum, they're still close to bite sized ;) My 2 males have a harem of girls for now I guess, in that huge 55 gallon tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you're going to have males and females mixed, of just about every > species > of fish (with exclusions for certain species), it's best to have at least > two females for every male just so the girls get some rest from the males. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank > > So far so good, none of the guppy fry passed on over night, so the > tank must > be safe with the drift wood in it ;). I find it interesting to note > that out > of all that fry there are very few males, suppose that's a good ratio as > they won't stress out the females later on. It really looks like I only > have 2-3 males out of all 16 guppy fry ;) LOL. I don't mind though. I want > to put a few of the females down in the big tank when they're bigger, so > there's more females down there, I have a 4-3 ratio on females to > males, but > would like it to be higher. I'm really curious to find out what the 2 new > fry are, but I'll have to wait for that ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38783	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

cool now I just need to get some cucumbers to use. I just want them to be as healthy as I can keep them. I think I will plant some cucumbers so ic an have some as well with out having to buy them. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Plecos LOVE zucchini. At least every species that I've owned has loved it. Here's an article for more info on feeding plecos and technically, it's about feeding "suckermouth catfish" which includes Oto's. http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11018 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Pleco's might eat it too, some do. I'm not sure how often you should feed it, but I don't think it would be bad if you fed it every other day, someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, LOL> Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they > are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting20used to > things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive > and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy > whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How > often should I feed the zucchini? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos > > Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. > If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it > in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it > up for the Otto's. > Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove > it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns > > both say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the > > hood light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the > > 2 windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. > > . I have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I > > have put a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them > > eating i > t > > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links < *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38784	From: Darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Lenny - new pics

hey Lenny i posted new pics in my album titled Darlene's Orandas the cat fish is not a pictus it is another type of catfish and you can help me identify the other fish to see how many i got right :) Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38785	From: darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Silver dollars / Lenny

The silver dollars look like these Metynnis Argenteus Maschio Some also look like these Coppia Metynnis I just posted some pics you can let me know how close I am to the right species LOLOL Also the catfish are not pictus .. my mistake, only saw then fast at night when moving them LOL Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 3 avril 2009 17:19 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / Lenny Yep. Yours sounds almost like the 10G I adopted/saved back in 2005 (right before Katrina). Have you looked at the profiles/care sheets for each species on Mongabay yet? As far as how many fish can be in a 20G, it depends on the size of the fish and the temperament of the fish. You could have 10 2" fish without much of a problem. 6-7 3" fish without much of a problem. Anything larger than 3" and you have to start considering other factors such as the tank size. If it's a 20G Long tank, that will give you more options than a standard 20G which doesn't have much more of a footprint than a 10G and a 20G X-high has the same footprint as a 10G. Here's a simple but not complete list of common tank sizes and dimensions. <http://www.alysta.com/books/fishtank.htm> http://www.alysta.com/books/fishtank.htm Here's my article "NEW rules/guidelines to replace the fish-killing 1" rule" <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per .> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html The Silver Dollars <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html,> http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Metynnis_argenteus.html, depending on which species (over 20 are called Silver Dollars) with the most common species growing to 8" each are MUCH TOO LARGE for the 20G. The Pictus Catfish <http://fish.mongabay.com/pimelodidae.htm> http://fish.mongabay.com/pimelodidae.htm (scroll 1/2 way down) grows to 8" also so they are MUCH TOO LARGE for the 20G. If you rehome those seven fish, you may be OK with the rest as long as you can fill the schools of the fish that should be in schools. Most tetras and barbs need to be in schools but some of them grow too large for a 20G, depending on the dimensions, so you need to check this out as well. I think I had you beat though. The 10G I adopted/saved had a common pleco (grows to 18"+), a partial school of Albino Buenos Aires Tetras and a partial school of Zebra Danios and two Blue/Opaline Gouramis (grows to 6" each)... although your five Silver Dollars makes it close. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:19 PM To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] ok I'm Nuts !!! I just rescued a fish tank and all its occupants / Lenny And I mean ALL....... I could not believe how many fish are in this tank !!!! 3 tiger barbs, 2 (?) barbs . orange with white stripes, 5 silver dollars(?), 4 tetras, 2 regular neons, 1 neon with orange stripe, 2 pictus catfish ...... 19 fish total !!!!!! (I don't think I missed counting any...) And I think the pictus are male and female because they are cleaning each other off and following each other around real close... Almost sleeping one on top of the other... Either that or they are rejoicing to be in a clean tank!! Will be visiting my local pet store to bring them most of the fish!!! Do neons and fancy tail guppies get along? I don't remember and I'm too tired to look it up on the chart lol Also what type of catfish stays small? How many fish should there be in a 20 gallon tank? I was thinking 4-6 fancy tail guppies (all male), 2 otocinclus, and 2 catfish ??? I will be giving the tank to my friend but must change the fish to a better / safer bioload .... At the moment I have 2 HOB filters ... an aqua clear 30 and a aqua tech 20-40 so at least the filtration is ok for a day or 2. The previous owner only had the aqua clear 30 on the tank and did not do regular maintenance on the tank. She also had enough gravel in the tank (as far as I am concerned) for a 180 gallon tank ... the stones must have been 4 inches deep!!! Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank

Sounds like perfect odds for me... oops.. I meant to me. Oh, to be a male fish! Not only do they get harems but they are also better looking than the females. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 5:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank How about 2 males and 14 females? LOL. I am planning on putting a few more of the females down in the big tank when they get a little bigger, right now I worry about the Severum, they're still close to bite sized ;) My 2 males have a harem of girls for now I guess, in that huge 55 gallon tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > If you're going to have males and females mixed, of just about every > species of fish (with exclusions for certain species), it's best to > have at least two females for every male just so the girls get some > rest from the males. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Guppy fry in the 55 gallon tank > > So far so good, none of the guppy fry passed on over night, so the > tank must be safe with the drift wood in it ;). I find it interesting > to note that out of all that fry there are very few males, suppose > that's a good ratio as they won't stress out the females later on. It > really looks like I only have 2-3 males out of all 16 guppy fry ;) > LOL. I don't mind though. I want to put a few of the females down in > the big tank when they're bigger, so there's more females down there, > I have a 4-3 ratio on females to males, but would like it to be > higher. I'm really curious to find out what the 2 new fry are, but > I'll have to wait for that ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38787	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics

I'll take a peek but there are literally thousands of species of catfish and I'm only personally familiar with a very limited number of them. Hopefully, the other members of the group will also look at your pics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/525705630/pic/list. The picture is kind of blurry but it looks more like a Corydora to me, but I can't be certain since the pic is too blurry... and I'm not sure which species either. Here's a page with a half dozen common Cory's http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm and there are picture links next to the names area of each profile. Check them out and see if any match better. If no other members can tell what yours are, take more pics and besides posting them here, also post them on http://www.PlanetCatfish.com forums. They have a forum just for "Identify this Catfish". If the pics are good enough, the experts over there will surely be able to ID them if we can't. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics hey Lenny i posted new pics in my album titled Darlene's Orandas the cat fish is not a pictus it is another type of catfish and you can help me identify the other fish to see how many i got right :) Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38788	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos

I put two microwaved slices of zucchini in my tank, held down by pieces of rock. Didn't clean the tank the next day. Day after that, where's teh zuchhini. Turned out I made zucchini soup. Even the skin disintegrated. I had flakes floating around the tank, deposits of mush everywhere, and it had really built up in the filters. I also had two dead otos. Two of the ones I'd only had for a week, I hope. The others are getting chubby, and so are the danios, who are suddenly growing fast.. And the gravel is thick with ten times as much poop as I used to have. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos tried to find the already sliced ones and couldn't. but now to see if they will get eaten. so far no luck I am happy to report that both replacement ottos i have now are still living. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 6:37 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos You can slice it and freeze the extras. Then as you need it, just nuke (microwave) a piece for 10 or so seconds to defrost/blanche it at the same time. Or just buy the bag of frozen sliced zucchini already like I do. 99 cents for a 1 pound bag in my area of the USA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos I boiled it for about 2 minutes. and will remove it now. I think they are still somewhat nervous bout being in the tank and getting used to things. Both are still living. I just want to make sure they survive and that they are taken care of the best that I can. I had to buy whole zucchini and slice it. Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How often should I feed the zucchini? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos Did you cooked the zucchini first? Otto's seem to prefer blanched foods. If you didn't blanch it first, try it that way this 2nd time. Place it in a pot of boiling water for maybe a minute, long enough to soften it up for the Otto's. Also if that piece is still in the tank from yesterday I would remove it, it will start to foul up your tank water after about a day. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > So far the 2 I have now are still alive. I have a couple of ferns both > say moderate light. I don't have any special lights just the hood > light and the light from the chandeliers and the light from the 2 > windows so I figure that will give the ferns the light they need. . I > have algae wafers that I put one in about every other day. I have put > a slice of zucchini in yesterday so far no sign of them eating i t > yet.? I have some pieces of driftwood in there. I do know the water > gets changed once a week or more often if I think the water looks > dirty.what other kind of vegetables other than zucchini will Ottos eat? > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.>< ((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38789	From: darlene	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics

They look like these ones C. arcuatus Pretty guys and i think they might be a pair. The dancing they were doing in the tank lookedlike a mating dance but I have not seen any eggs anywhere, but with all the other fish in there if there were eggs they probably became caviar. Btw I decided to cook up some green peas for all the fish I thought I was gonna have a war in the new tank .. you should have seen them going after the pea meat !!!!!! Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 4 avril 2009 19:32 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics I'll take a peek but there are literally thousands of species of catfish and I'm only personally familiar with a very limited number of them. Hopefully, the other members of the group will also look at your pics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/525705630/pic/list. The picture is kind of blurry but it looks more like a Corydora to me, but I can't be certain since the pic is too blurry... and I'm not sure which species either. Here's a page with a half dozen common Cory's http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm and there are picture links next to the names area of each profile. Check them out and see if any match better. If no other members can tell what yours are, take more pics and besides posting them here, also post them on http://www.PlanetCatfish.com forums. They have a forum just for "Identify this Catfish". If the pics are good enough, the experts over there will surely be able to ID them if we can't. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics hey Lenny i posted new pics in my album titled Darlene's Orandas the cat fish is not a pictus it is another type of catfish and you can help me identify the other fish to see how many i got right :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38790	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics

Definitely looks like a Brochis splendens. Brochis sp. are often confused with a Corydoras sp. One give-away is the length and shape of the snout. It is longer than a Corydoras. Take a look at the pictures here for comparison. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=114 TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/c2qs2b \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Darlene > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics > > hey Lenny i posted new pics in my album titled Darlene's Orandas > the cat fish is not a pictus it is another type of catfish and you can help me identify the > other fish to see how many i got right :) > > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38791	From: Suzi	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Homepage pic

wow, that's a great pic. I bet he's a big one. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38792	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38793	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

I have a general rule that I follow whenever I go into a LFS, and that is I ask questions about a fish that I definitely know a lot about, and if the associate can answer that question correctly then I know that they have some knowledge and I can probrably ask more tougher questions. Either that or ask the owner or the manager of the store. Listen sales associates at LFS are taught general maintenance and how to scoop dead fish out of the tank, definitely not species identification. It is better for you to research the fish you'd like to have and add to the tank before you go. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out > that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet > long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, > there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon > tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't > believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was > also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38794	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

I had researched, it looks like a talking catfish, but unfortunately get's a lot bigger, LOL. I don't have any other choice for local fish stores, I have only one. I don't go when the other person is working as he knows even less about fish than the girl does. I know that they will trade it back in later when it gets bigger, so I'm not really too worried. I took my smaller fish out of the tank too just in case he tries to eat them (my glofish). They are now in the 55 gallon tank with the fry. I figure the only other smaller fish in the 125 gallon tank are the guppies, and I have plenty more of those if they come up missing ;) LOL. I will wait and see how it goes. So far the catfish went straight for a hiding spot and hasn't come out, but then again he's nocturnal, will have to see what we have left in the morning ;). Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > I have a general rule that I follow whenever I go into a LFS, and that > is I ask questions about a fish that I definitely know a lot about, > and if the associate can answer that question correctly then I know > that they have some knowledge and I can probrably ask more tougher > questions. Either that or ask the owner or the manager of the store. > Listen sales associates at LFS are taught general maintenance and how > to scoop dead fish out of the tank, definitely not species > identification. It is better for you to research the fish you'd like > to have and add to the tank before you go. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > > Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out > > that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet > > long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, > > there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon > > tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't > > believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was > > also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( > > > > Amber > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38795	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

In a message dated 4/4/2009 4:31:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toddswoman496861@... writes: Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How often should I feed the zucchini My pleco will consume a whole ( peel and all) zucchinni in 24 hours. But then again he is over a foot long. Tonight he is getting a cucumber. I try to keep his veggies in the 6-8 inches long range. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220239440x1201335902/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38796	From: pam andress	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

The glofish will eat your fry if they are small enough. Mine did. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:45:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes I had researched, it looks like a talking catfish, but unfortunately get's a lot bigger, LOL. I don't have any other choice for local fish stores, I have only one. I don't go when the other person is working as he knows even less about fish than the girl does. I know that they will trade it back in later when it gets bigger, so I'm not really too worried. I took my smaller fish out of the tank too just in case he tries to eat them (my glofish). They are now in the 55 gallon tank with the fry. I figure the only other smaller fish in the 125 gallon tank are the guppies, and I have plenty more of those if they come up missing ;) LOL. I will wait and see how it goes. So far the catfish went straight for a hiding spot and hasn't come out, but then again he's nocturnal, will have to see what we have left in the morning ;). Amber va22_vyshys wrote: > > I have a general rule that I follow whenever I go into a LFS, and that > is I ask questions about a fish that I definitely know a lot about, > and if the associate can answer that question correctly then I know > that they have some knowledge and I can probrably ask more tougher > questions. Either that or ask the owner or the manager of the store. > Listen sales associates at LFS are taught general maintenance and how > to scoop dead fish out of the tank, definitely not species > identification. It is better for you to research the fish you'd like > to have and add to the tank before you go. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > > Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out > > that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet > > long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, > > there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon > > tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't > > believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was > > also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38797	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

Actually the fry are almost as big as my glofish, so I don't think they have a chance of getting eaten. I put all of my biggest fry in the tank, the small ones are still in the 10 gallon. I'm hoping that the new fry in there (3 of them) are not all guppy's ;) would be nice to have another platy or something else for a change, LOL. Thanks for pointing that out though, I figured they would be fry eaters if they were small enough to eat ;) Amber pam andress wrote: > > > The glofish will eat your fry if they are small enough. Mine did. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:45:31 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish > sometimes > > I had researched, it looks like a talking catfish, but unfortunately > get's a lot bigger, LOL. I don't have any other choice for local fish > stores, I have only one. I don't go when the other person is working as > he knows even less about fish than the girl does. I know that they will > trade it back in later when it gets bigger, so I'm not really too > worried. I took my smaller fish out of the tank too just in case he > tries to eat them (my glofish). They are now in the 55 gallon tank with > the fry. I figure the only other smaller fish in the 125 gallon tank are > the guppies, and I have plenty more of those if they come up missing ;) > LOL. I will wait and see how it goes. So far the catfish went straight > for a hiding spot and hasn't come out, but then again he's nocturnal, > will have to see what we have left in the morning ;). > > Amber > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > I have a general rule that I follow whenever I go into a LFS, and that > > is I ask questions about a fish that I definitely know a lot about, > > and if the associate can answer that question correctly then I know > > that they have some knowledge and I can probrably ask more tougher > > questions. Either that or ask the owner or the manager of the store. > > Listen sales associates at LFS are taught general maintenance and how > > to scoop dead fish out of the tank, definitely not species > > identification. It is better for you to research the fish you'd like > > to have and add to the tank before you go. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > > > Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out > > > that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 > feet > > > long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, > > > there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon > > > tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't > > > believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( > I was > > > also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38798	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

After reading more on the red-tail catfish I think I will be returning him to the LFS later next week, I'd rather not have it eating my whole fish tank when it gets to be over a foot long. Their basic compatibility seems to be next to nothing since they will eat anything large enough to fit in their mouth, and since they get up to 5 feet that's basically everything in my tank, including my Severum, LOL. Not a good tank mate IMO. Bad LFS. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Actually the fry are almost as big as my glofish, so I don't think they > have a chance of getting eaten. I put all of my biggest fry in the tank, > the small ones are still in the 10 gallon. I'm hoping that the new fry > in there (3 of them) are not all guppy's ;) would be nice to have > another platy or something else for a change, LOL. > Thanks for pointing that out though, I figured they would be fry eaters > if they were small enough to eat ;) > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > The glofish will eat your fry if they are small enough. Mine did. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:45:31 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish > > sometimes > > > > I had researched, it looks like a talking catfish, but unfortunately > > get's a lot bigger, LOL. I don't have any other choice for local fish > > stores, I have only one. I don't go when the other person is working as > > he knows even less about fish than the girl does. I know that they will > > trade it back in later when it gets bigger, so I'm not really too > > worried. I took my smaller fish out of the tank too just in case he > > tries to eat them (my glofish). They are now in the 55 gallon tank with > > the fry. I figure the only other smaller fish in the 125 gallon tank are > > the guppies, and I have plenty more of those if they come up missing ;) > > LOL. I will wait and see how it goes. So far the catfish went straight > > for a hiding spot and hasn't come out, but then again he's nocturnal, > > will have to see what we have left in the morning ;). > > > > Amber > > > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > > > I have a general rule that I follow whenever I go into a LFS, and that > > > is I ask questions about a fish that I definitely know a lot about, > > > and if the associate can answer that question correctly then I know > > > that they have some knowledge and I can probrably ask more tougher > > > questions. Either that or ask the owner or the manager of the store. > > > Listen sales associates at LFS are taught general maintenance and how > > > to scoop dead fish out of the tank, definitely not species > > > identification. It is better for you to research the fish you'd like > > > to have and add to the tank before you go. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > > > > Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out > > > > that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 > > feet > > > > long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks > like, > > > > there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon > > > > tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't > > > > believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( > > I was > > > > also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38799	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Lenny - new pics

You are right Lenny, it is blurry but it looks a lot like my Peppered Cory Cats.   Sandi --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 7:31 PM I'll take a peek but there are literally thousands of species of catfish and I'm only personally familiar with a very limited number of them. Hopefully, the other members of the group will also look at your pics http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/525705630/ pic/list. The picture is kind of blurry but it looks more like a Corydora to me, but I can't be certain since the pic is too blurry... and I'm not sure which species either. Here's a page with a half dozen common Cory's http://fish. mongabay. com/corydoradina e.htm and there are picture links next to the names area of each profile. Check them out and see if any match better. If no other members can tell what yours are, take more pics and besides posting them here, also post them on http://www.PlanetCa tfish.com forums. They have a forum just for "Identify this Catfish". If the pics are good enough, the experts over there will surely be able to ID them if we can't. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Lenny - new pics hey Lenny i posted new pics in my album titled Darlene's Orandas the cat fish is not a pictus it is another type of catfish and you can help me identify the other fish to see how many i got right :) Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38800	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings ____________________________________ Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? _Make dinner for $10 or less_ (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) . **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38801	From: Troy	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Thanks. That helps. We do get a type of earthquake in our area that can “jump.” However, if history is a guide, that earthquake won’t be less than magnitude 8-9, and it will be complete destruction. The last one knocked forested stands of the top of mountains and hills. I hope not to be around when it hits again. Your advice should get me through the 5-6+. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium What you may be referring to is the way City Hall in LA was re anchored. Simpson Connectors along with Hilti are the leaders in the industry. There is a rule of thumb regarding width to height for furniture. If it is higher than wider then you may have a problem I assure you that you do not want any give it any room to move not even a half of an inch, it must ride with the building. If it does not it be like banging the tank against the wall. I will tie it to the walls as I am not to concerned about uplift. My experience for the last 30 years in seismic country is that in my area they tend to roll rather than jump. When it cause things to jump the best you can do is tie to the structure. Likelihood is the building will depart form the foundation during that kind of activity unless provisions have been made since our last big quake in (1993???) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Only a thought here but I recently saw a special on the San Francisco earthquake and what they are doing currently about building structures today to incorporate new “Earthquake” technology. It seems from current drawings and illustrations, that they are makeing the buildings slightly movable by the use of rubber type anchors at their base to give the building the ability to actually sway with movement. If this is a concern to you, maybe you should consider some of of rigid foam or rubber material to allow for this movement to them. Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:33 PM Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38802	From: mosquitokr2002	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

I also have Bolivian Rams and find them to be very passive--almost to a fault. I am often concerned that the other fish housed with them are eating the majority of the food. At feeding time, my Rams move very slowly and deliberately as though considering the food before eating. I would not keep them with fast moving species. Mine get along well with a pair of Moonlight Gouramis and some White Skirt Tetras and have even spawned with them in the tank. The tank is heavily planted with lots of hiding places. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I keep 2 bolivian rams in my 125 gallon tank with the rest of my fish, > occasionally I have noticed them chase fish out of their territory, but > most of the time they are fairly passive. They don't seem to mind my > live bearers, I have guppy's and Platy's, as well as other fish (dwarf > gourami, 2 angel fish, 1 severum, 6 hillstream loaches, and 2 glofish > danio's). But they might be okay with the mixture of fish because it's > such a large tank. > > Amber > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet > > sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, > > but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all > > over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and > > swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) > > and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own > > eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want > > the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the > > bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live > > bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not > > know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > > > > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off > > people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > > > > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic > > plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood?that is now > > established thanks to my current occupants. > > > > > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli > > loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a > > male betta. > > > > > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > > > > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, > > and swordtails? > > > > > > The tank gets a weekly 10 ?20% pwc, and the diet is a combination > > of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine > > eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > > > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom > > feeder pellets. > > > > > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but > > pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > > > > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > > > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so > > please, no in depth techno jargen. > > > . > > > Thanks. > > > Lisa > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38803	From: red-eye	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

3 glass cats 8 neon’s 2 platy 2 penguin tetra Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams Hi Red-Eye One question? What other fish are in that 65 gallon? Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, red-eye <red-eye@pacbell. <mailto:red-eye%40pacbell.net> net> wrote: From: red-eye <red-eye@pacbell. <mailto:red-eye%40pacbell.net> net> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:49 AM I have one currently. For some time I tried to keep two in a 65 gal. Same thing always happens, one day they is only one left in the tank. Even though the tank is planted heavily. They will eat neons and can be territorial. They are also beautiful and a real addition to a tank IMHO. I had another pair in a 90 gal but the angels( fairly large) made them disappear. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:35 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams are semi-agressive yet sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish like kuhli loaches, but they wont be happy with swordtails, because swordtails are all over the place. Rams also like to have slightly acidic, soft water and swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams (first hand experience) and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams to eat their own eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a 22 gallon. if you want the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest keeping the bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting go of the live bearers. And my experience comes from the german blue rams I do not know much about the Bolivian except that it's bigger. --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@...> wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) But I want some tips off people with first hand experience, not some web page link. > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g filter, and silk/plastic plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on bogwood that is now established thanks to my current occupants. > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 male 8 females), 1 kuhli loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 cardinal tetras and a male betta. > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and my cardinal tetras. > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, and swordtails? > > The tank gets a weekly 10 – 20% pwc, and the diet is a combination of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, dalphina, and baby brine eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm and brine shrimp. > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae disks, and bottom feeder pellets. > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, really pretty, but pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they are easy to care for' lol > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be greatly appreciated > And remember please, I'm only a novice large aquarium keeper, so please, no in depth techno jargen. > . > Thanks. > Lisa > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38804	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic

"He's" a she. And I've complained to the mods about putting my ex-wife's pic on the home page. They just won't listen. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Homepage pic wow, that's a great pic. I bet he's a big one. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38805	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

When are you going to learn to take pics of the fish at your LFS first.. then check them out online before buying. I didn't think a red tail catfish got that big though. I did a quick Google and I see a couple of different species with that same common name. A search on http://fishbase.org for the common name, "redtail catfish" found these two. http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=5427 (65cm = around 25") http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=6421 (134cm... twice as big = over 4') Either are still tank busters for your 125G though. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San Raphael catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out that I have what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet long! I will definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, there's no way I can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon tank, and I don't have room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't believe they didn't know how big they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was also told it's peaceful, we shall see soon enough :( Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38806	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: food for Ottos

Whenever I use to feed my common pleco a lot of zucchini, he'd thank me by draping all the plants in poop garland. LOL It would look like Christmas in the tank except the garland wasn't silver and gold... more of a driftwood brown with a hint of zucchini yellow. LOL I learned to limit it to what he would eat in an hour or so.. and even then, I'd only give him a lot when I new I was going to be vacuuming the tank the next day. Plecos are eating, pooping machines. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwydryn@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] food for Ottos In a message dated 4/4/2009 4:31:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toddswoman496861@... writes: Will Plecos eat zucchini as well? How often should I feed the zucchini My pleco will consume a whole ( peel and all) zucchinni in 24 hours. But then again he is over a foot long. Tonight he is getting a cucumber. I try to keep his veggies in the 6-8 inches long range. Enid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38808	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium

Give me a good Cat-5 Hurricane any time. At least I get a few days notice to either prepare to ride it out or run. Earthquakes and Tornadoes give very little warning.. if any... and you usually can't outrun one of them either. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Thanks. That helps. We do get a type of earthquake in our area that can "jump." However, if history is a guide, that earthquake won't be less than magnitude 8-9, and it will be complete destruction. The last one knocked forested stands of the top of mountains and hills. I hope not to be around when it hits again. Your advice should get me through the 5-6+. Thanks. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium What you may be referring to is the way City Hall in LA was re anchored. Simpson Connectors along with Hilti are the leaders in the industry. There is a rule of thumb regarding width to height for furniture. If it is higher than wider then you may have a problem I assure you that you do not want any give it any room to move not even a half of an inch, it must ride with the building. If it does not it be like banging the tank against the wall. I will tie it to the walls as I am not to concerned about uplift. My experience for the last 30 years in seismic country is that in my area they tend to roll rather than jump. When it cause things to jump the best you can do is tie to the structure. Likelihood is the building will depart form the foundation during that kind of activity unless provisions have been made since our last big quake in (1993???) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium Only a thought here but I recently saw a special on the San Francisco earthquake and what they are doing currently about building structures today to incorporate new "Earthquake" technology. It seems from current drawings and illustrations, that they are makeing the buildings slightly movable by the use of rubber type anchors at their base to give the building the ability to actually sway with movement. If this is a concern to you, maybe you should consider some of of rigid foam or rubber material to allow for this movement to them. Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:33 PM Just to clarify. I'm presuming you will be tying the tank and stand to the wall instead of the floor... or is the wall and floor securely joined so they move together? I think having the tank tied to the wall with the stand on the floor and if they are not in unison, that could be a problem. I'm sure you've thought of this but I just wanted you to elaborate for any others, in case they read it the same way I did. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:41 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Earthquake preparedness and the aquarium I happen to an inspector for public school construction in California. I can tell you since the Long Beach earthquake in 1932 no one has ever been hurt in a school due to seismic occurrences. There is a reason for that California undisputedly has the strongest buildings in the US/World due to science & engineering. I am going to install seismic restraints on my tanks this year when re - painting. Basically I will tie the tank to the wall using angle iron mounted to the wall with lag screws & airline cable to wrap the tank & tie it to the angle iron. I will be certain to fill the space between the rear glass and the wall. This way the tank will "ride" with the quakes movement. HTH Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38809	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q

A great way to share experience & ask ?sThanks Lenny, I will use the graduate removal of the old filter media method (20% each week), the old filter has already been running for 10 days so I think I should be fine. As for the bioload, I need your help to calculate wheather I need 1 or 2 bubble up filters. It's a 6 G, with 2 small Amazon Sword plants, some MTS s, about 4 half sized guppies (will be removed when they become adult size), and 15 guppy fry (most of them are aged about 1 month). I change 30-40 % each week, sometimes twice aweek. The filters sizes are: 1) 4 inches cube, 3\4 of the volume is polyster with some activated carbon and the rest is gravel (to keep it down). 2) Corner filter (shape of quarter a circle) 5" high, 4" wide. Also 3\4 of the volume is polyster and a. carbon. Noura -----Original Message----- Re: Filter media Q Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot Fri Apr 3, 2009 11:41 pm (PDT) Hi Noura, I would just clean the old media in some removed tank water to remove the dead fry and most of the other detritus in it. That will keep the majority of the N-bacteria alive in that media while getting rid of the nasty stuff. Then you can reuse that media. After the new filter has been running for several weeks, you should be in better shape but if the bioload on the tank is high, you want to keep as much filtration and cycled media as possible running at all times. For example, even after running the new filter for several weeks, the old running filter will still have the majority of the N-bacteria. After all, there would be no reason for them to move out as long as there was a food source in the old filter media. Certainly some new N-bacteria would have grown in the new filter but if you were to just remove the old one completely, you might be removing 50% and likely much more of the N-bacteria which would then put the tank into a mini-cycle until the N-bacteria on the new filter start growing a large enough colony to keep up with the bioload. Now, if you were to remove 10% to 20% of the old media each week, that would cause only a smaller mini-cycle as the N-bacteria grow on the new filter to catch up. After several weeks of removing small amounts of the old media each time, then the new filter would be fully cycled. If it was me, I would just clean the old stuff and keep both filters running if you have the room. This way, you always have an extra cycled "bubble up" filter ready to move to another container in the event of a illness. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter media Q Hi, I put a new bubble-up filter in my 6 G fry tank, I want to completely replace and throw away the media of the first bubble-up filter because some fry were caught inside and died, not a pretty sight. How long does the new filter need to be established with sufficient N-bacteria? The filter media is polyster. Thanks, Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38810	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

I think the most commonly seen red tailed catfish in the hobby is _Phractocephalus hemioliopterus_ from South America. Among sites on the web, there seems to be some disagreement of the full size of the fish, but all agree it is a large fish. Too large to be kept in a typical home aquarium, at least until the typical home aquarium becomes several thousand gallons. I recall seeing one in a public aquaria, I want to say the Shedd, but I am not sure, that, in my mind, was about 6 foot long. They are often seen in shops at about 2" long, and do look very cute. As they grow, they lose that cute attribute, as the colors are not so vibrant, and they will gradually eat their way through the population of your tank--anything they can swallow. On the bright side, they are not necessarily daily feeders, so you would only need to buy new fish each week <g>. If I was Amber, I'd not wait for the fish to get larger, but take it back right now, especially since the fish was misrepresented as another species to her. These fish are very difficult to re-home due to the size they reach, and their easy availability as young, much smaller fish. Most people and places simply do not have the ability to house them in a proper sized tank. FWIW, it is my opinion that selling fish like this can prompt legislation that will harm the hobby. This also highlights that one should be fairly certain what they are buying so that it will fit in the tanks they have, or will have in the near term future. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:10 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes > > When are you going to learn to take pics of the fish at your LFS first.. > then check them out online before buying. I didn't think a red tail catfish > got that big though. I did a quick Google and I see a couple of different > species with that same common name. > > A search on http://fishbase.org for the common name, "redtail catfish" found > these two. > > http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=5427 (65cm = around 25") > > http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=6421 (134cm... twice as > big = over 4') > > Either are still tank busters for your 125G though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San Raphael > catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out that I have > what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet long! I will > definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, there's no way I > can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon tank, and I don't have > room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't believe they didn't know how big > they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was also told it's peaceful, we shall see > soon enough :( > > Amber > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38811	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

So they're nothing like their smaller cousins, then? Because they were a nuisance, they chased everything, I even had to take them out of the tank with my chocolate gouramis and put them with some curviceps cichlid that I had in the other tank, and they got to the point where they were chasing them too. But I might have to invest in some bolivians, thanks for the info. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "mosquitokr2002" <mosquitokr2002@...> wrote: > > I also have Bolivian Rams and find them to be very passive--almost to a fault. I am often concerned that the other fish housed with them are eating the majority of the food. At feeding time, my Rams move very slowly and deliberately as though considering the food before eating. I would not keep them with fast moving species. > > Mine get along well with a pair of Moonlight Gouramis and some White Skirt Tetras and have even spawned with them in the tank. The tank is heavily planted with lots of hiding places. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38812	From: darlene	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic

Really and here I was thinking what a lovely fish !!!!! You are soooooooo bad Lenny !!!!!! BTW my new catfish must be the Brochis splendens. They look exactly like the picture of the 4 week old spotted Brochis sp. in the link he sent Thanks Steve!! Now I know my fish won’t get too huge as they are already about 3 inches long and the web site says they get to 3 inches!! LOL Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 5 avril 2009 02:58 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Homepage pic "He's" a she. And I've complained to the mods about putting my ex-wife's pic on the home page. They just won't listen. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Homepage pic wow, that's a great pic. I bet he's a big one. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38813	From: Suzi	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Homepage pic

That is so funny! ok, She's a big one :) --- Suzi > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: 5 avril 2009 02:58 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Homepage pic > > > > "He's" a she. And I've complained to the mods about putting my ex-wife's > pic on the home page. They just won't listen. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ] > On > Behalf Of Suzi > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Homepage pic > > wow, that's a great pic. > I bet he's a big one. > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38814	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: H.R. 669--Members of the Sub

Mention has been made that a hearing will be held on H.R. 669 Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act on April 23. Below are the members of the sub-committee that will be holding the hearing. It will be interesting to note that the sponsor of the bill, Rep. Madeline Z. Bordallo (D, Guam) is the Chair of this sub-committee. Also, co-sponsors of the bill on this sub-committee are: Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D, HI-1], Rep. Eni Faleomavaega [D, AS-0], and Rep. Ronald Kind [D, WI-3]. It may be safe to say that these people would have a built in bias toward passing the bill to the next step. The quickest way to write these Congress critters is via e-mail, however, as dedicated as they may be to helping their constituents, they make it very hard to contact them. Going to http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ will make it somewhat easier for you to do. Still, you may need to fake a zip code plus, if you do not actually live in their district, to actually contact one of these people to make you feelings on pending legislation known. Members of the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife 1337 Longworth House Office Building (Insular Affairs) (202) 225-0691 Fax: (202) 225-0521 187 Ford House Office Building (Oceans and Wildlife) (202) 226-0200 Fax: (202) 225-1542 Mrs. Madeleine Z. Bordallo, Guam, Chairwoman Mr. Henry E. Brown, Jr., South Carolina, Ranking Republican Member Dale E. Kildee, Michigan Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Gregorio "Kilili" Sablan, Mariana Islands Donna M. Christensen, Virgin Islands Diana DeGette, Colorado Ron Kind, Wisconsin Lois Capps, California Carol Shea-Porter, New Hampshire Frank Kratovil, Jr., Maryland Pedro R. Pierluisi, Puerto Rico Nick J. Rahall, II, West Virginia (ex officio) Don Young, Alaska Jeff Flake, Arizona Doug Lamborn, Colorado Robert J. Wittman, Virginia John Fleming, Louisiana Jason Chaffetz, Utah Bill Cassidy, Louisiana Doc Hastings, Wash NOTE: Democrats are listed on the left and Republicans on the right (how fitting <g>). \\Steve// In one of his very few HTML messages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38815	From: Ronald S. Winkley	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

Hi to All, As a new group member this is my first post here. I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond which contains a lot of green algae. I think the green sludge that I collect should make a good garden fertilizer. Can anyone say if this is correct? Thanks and best wishes RonW.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38816	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: rainbow fish diet

i habe both types as well as the red and they get by well with tetra min tropical crisps, 6 other assorted dry foods and frozen bloodworms (which they get every day) the worms are expensive but they they go crazy for them, and it seems to improve color as well. With a thousand lies And a good disguise Hit em' right between the eyes Hit em' right between the eyes When you walk away, Nothing more to say. See the lightning in your eyes See em' running for their lives ><(((*> ><)))*> ><(((*> ----- Original Message ----- From: kfm241 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:23 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] rainbow fish diet Could someone tell me what are some good frozen foods to feed my rainbows I have praecox rainbow and boesemani rainbow thank you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38817	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

This is my best guess, as I've never had a pond with a severe enough algae problem where I could actually filter out and collect the algae. While algae is a problem in the spring, appear before the other plants have a chance to get a start, the other plants will out compete at least most of the algae, so that it is no longer a problem. If this is a consistent problem during the year, or you have enough to consider using it as fertilizer, your pond management techniques would need to be discussed so that this situation is largely avoided. You might try to compost it. The problem with algae is that when you dry it out, it becomes a hard, brittle substance. If you put it into a compost pile, this will help prevent it from drying before it decomposes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Ronald S. Winkley > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > Hi to All, > > As a new group member this is my first post here. > > I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond which contains a lot > of green algae. I think the green sludge that I collect should make a good garden fertilizer. > Can anyone say if this is correct? > > Thanks and best wishes > > RonW. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38818	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: redoing my frog/guppy

so I'm moving my frog tank to a new house and have decided to take the oppornunity to really do it up. I want to put lots of plants in it and was wondering if I should go to a plant substrate or stick with what I have. If i go to a plant substrate, how would one vacuum that? and I know i've asked this before, and no one has to answer, i can look it up, but what plants are easy to keep. thanks1 erika wilmington,de,usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38819	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

Do you have any pictures posted? Would you? Bill --- On Sat, 4/4/09, mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> wrote: > From: mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 11:17 PM > I also have Bolivian Rams and find > them to be very passive--almost to a fault. I am often > concerned that the other fish housed with them are eating > the majority of the food. At feeding time, my Rams move very > slowly and deliberately as though considering the food > before eating. I would not keep them with fast moving > species. > > Mine get along well with a pair of Moonlight Gouramis and > some White Skirt Tetras and have even spawned with them in > the tank. The tank is heavily planted with lots of hiding > places. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I keep 2 bolivian rams in my 125 gallon tank with the > rest of my fish, > > occasionally I have noticed them chase fish out of > their territory, but > > most of the time they are fairly passive. They don't > seem to mind my > > live bearers, I have guppy's and Platy's, as well as > other fish (dwarf > > gourami, 2 angel fish, 1 severum, 6 hillstream > loaches, and 2 glofish > > danio's). But they might be okay with the mixture of > fish because it's > > such a large tank. > > > > Amber > > > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > > > Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams > are semi-agressive yet > > > sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish > like kuhli loaches, > > > but they wont be happy with swordtails, because > swordtails are all > > > over the place. Rams also like to have slightly > acidic, soft water and > > > swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams > (first hand experience) > > > and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams > to eat their own > > > eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a > 22 gallon. if you want > > > the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest > keeping the > > > bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting > go of the live > > > bearers. And my experience comes from the german > blue rams I do not > > > know much about the Bolivian except that it's > bigger. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? > German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > > > > > > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) > But I want some tips off > > > people with first hand experience, not some web > page link. > > > > > > > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g > filter, and silk/plastic > > > plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on > bogwood?that is now > > > established thanks to my current occupants. > > > > > > > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 > male 8 females), 1 kuhli > > > loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 > cardinal tetras and a > > > male betta. > > > > > > > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and > my cardinal tetras. > > > > > > > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose > catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, > > > and swordtails? > > > > > > > > The tank gets a weekly 10 ?20% pwc, and the > diet is a combination > > > of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, > dalphina, and baby brine > > > eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm > and brine shrimp. > > > > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae > disks, and bottom > > > feeder pellets. > > > > > > > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, > really pretty, but > > > pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they > are easy to care for' lol > > > > > > > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be > greatly appreciated > > > > And remember please, I'm only a novice large > aquarium keeper, so > > > please, no in depth techno jargen. > > > > . > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38820	From: mosquitokr2002	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

I had posted some pics of my rams in the members folder quite a while ago. They are still there at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/list --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Do you have any pictures posted? Would you? > > Bill > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> wrote: > > > From: mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 11:17 PM > > I also have Bolivian Rams and find > > them to be very passive--almost to a fault. I am often > > concerned that the other fish housed with them are eating > > the majority of the food. At feeding time, my Rams move very > > slowly and deliberately as though considering the food > > before eating. I would not keep them with fast moving > > species. > > > > Mine get along well with a pair of Moonlight Gouramis and > > some White Skirt Tetras and have even spawned with them in > > the tank. The tank is heavily planted with lots of hiding > > places. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > I keep 2 bolivian rams in my 125 gallon tank with the > > rest of my fish, > > > occasionally I have noticed them chase fish out of > > their territory, but > > > most of the time they are fairly passive. They don't > > seem to mind my > > > live bearers, I have guppy's and Platy's, as well as > > other fish (dwarf > > > gourami, 2 angel fish, 1 severum, 6 hillstream > > loaches, and 2 glofish > > > danio's). But they might be okay with the mixture of > > fish because it's > > > such a large tank. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, arent we straight to the point, LOL. Rams > > are semi-agressive yet > > > > sensitive fish. They can bully any passive fish > > like kuhli loaches, > > > > but they wont be happy with swordtails, because > > swordtails are all > > > > over the place. Rams also like to have slightly > > acidic, soft water and > > > > swordtails do not. Bettas will bully your rams > > (first hand experience) > > > > and eat the eggs that they lay, causing your rams > > to eat their own > > > > eggs. It could work in a bigger tank just not a > > 22 gallon. if you want > > > > the rams, at least to be happy, I would suggest > > keeping the > > > > bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and letting > > go of the live > > > > bearers. And my experience comes from the german > > blue rams I do not > > > > know much about the Bolivian except that it's > > bigger. > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience with rams? > > German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > > > > > > > > > Cause I really like the rams. (Mostly GBR) > > But I want some tips off > > > > people with first hand experience, not some web > > page link. > > > > > > > > > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with an u/g > > filter, and silk/plastic > > > > plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on > > bogwood?that is now > > > > established thanks to my current occupants. > > > > > > > > > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 guppies (1 > > male 8 females), 1 kuhli > > > > loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I think), 2 > > cardinal tetras and a > > > > male betta. > > > > > > > > > > I will be trading in my female guppies, and > > my cardinal tetras. > > > > > > > > > > So. Are rams compatible with bristlenose > > catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, > > > > and swordtails? > > > > > > > > > > The tank gets a weekly 10 ?20% pwc, and the > > diet is a combination > > > > of freeze dried blood worms, sprillilina, > > dalphina, and baby brine > > > > eggs. With the occasional treat of live blackworm > > and brine shrimp. > > > > > For my bristlenose and my kuhli loach, algae > > disks, and bottom > > > > feeder pellets. > > > > > > > > > > My LFS has recently got in some gold rams, > > really pretty, but > > > > pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week if they > > are easy to care for' lol > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would be > > greatly appreciated > > > > > And remember please, I'm only a novice large > > aquarium keeper, so > > > > please, no in depth techno jargen. > > > > > . > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38821	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Filter media Q

If the fish are doing fine with the level of filtration, then the more, the better. I don't think that a couple of sponge/bubble filters will be over filtration on a 6G tank. The only time that too much filtration would be a problem is with fish that do not like much water movement. Guppies do fine with water movement. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Filter media Q A great way to share experience & ask ?sThanks Lenny, I will use the graduate removal of the old filter media method (20% each week), the old filter has already been running for 10 days so I think I should be fine. As for the bioload, I need your help to calculate wheather I need 1 or 2 bubble up filters. It's a 6 G, with 2 small Amazon Sword plants, some MTS s, about 4 half sized guppies (will be removed when they become adult size), and 15 guppy fry (most of them are aged about 1 month). I change 30-40 % each week, sometimes twice aweek. The filters sizes are: 1) 4 inches cube, 3\4 of the volume is polyster with some activated carbon and the rest is gravel (to keep it down). 2) Corner filter (shape of quarter a circle) 5" high, 4" wide. Also 3\4 of the volume is polyster and a. carbon. Noura -----Original Message----- Re: Filter media Q Posted by: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" GoldLenny@... goldlenny_blogspot Fri Apr 3, 2009 11:41 pm (PDT) Hi Noura, I would just clean the old media in some removed tank water to remove the dead fry and most of the other detritus in it. That will keep the majority of the N-bacteria alive in that media while getting rid of the nasty stuff. Then you can reuse that media. After the new filter has been running for several weeks, you should be in better shape but if the bioload on the tank is high, you want to keep as much filtration and cycled media as possible running at all times. For example, even after running the new filter for several weeks, the old running filter will still have the majority of the N-bacteria. After all, there would be no reason for them to move out as long as there was a food source in the old filter media. Certainly some new N-bacteria would have grown in the new filter but if you were to just remove the old one completely, you might be removing 50% and likely much more of the N-bacteria which would then put the tank into a mini-cycle until the N-bacteria on the new filter start growing a large enough colony to keep up with the bioload. Now, if you were to remove 10% to 20% of the old media each week, that would cause only a smaller mini-cycle as the N-bacteria grow on the new filter to catch up. After several weeks of removing small amounts of the old media each time, then the new filter would be fully cycled. If it was me, I would just clean the old stuff and keep both filters running if you have the room. This way, you always have an extra cycled "bubble up" filter ready to move to another container in the event of a illness. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Filter media Q Hi, I put a new bubble-up filter in my 6 G fry tank, I want to completely replace and throw away the media of the first bubble-up filter because some fry were caught inside and died, not a pretty sight. How long does the new filter need to be established with sufficient N-bacteria? The filter media is polyster. Thanks, Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38822	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

Yes. In fact, when cleaning the bottom of your pond, your filter, etc., ALL of the detritus and mulm is rich in nutrients for plants (nitrates, phosphates, etc.). Removing this more frequently will also help with getting rid of some of your algae problem. When I do PWC's (partial water changes) on my smaller tank, when I do not use my Python Water Change System and use a regular gravel siphon, I water my own couple of plants and then give the rest of the dirty water to my neighbor who has tons of plants. Plants LOVE fish water and waste. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald S. Winkley Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . Hi to All, As a new group member this is my first post here. I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond which contains a lot of green algae. I think the green sludge that I collect should make a good garden fertilizer. Can anyone say if this is correct? Thanks and best wishes RonW.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38823	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: redoing my frog/guppy

Erika, I have a blog article http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. html about setting up a beginners type planted tank, which will answer the majority of your questions, with a few links to lists of easy-to-grow, low-light plants. I also have some retail sites with easy-to-grow plant packages that list some of the common easy-to-grow plants. Print these or write them down when you go looking around for plants. Be careful as many stores often sell bog plants as aquatic plants and also often have them mislabeled so compared pictures to the real plants to be as certain as possible about what you are buying. As far as substrates, many of us simply use regular gravel but there are more sophisticated substrates. If you have easy-to-grow plants, they will do fine in regular gravel. I deep vacuum my gravel where there are no rooted plants and where there are rooted plants, I just lightly vacuum the surface detritus. Some plant substrates, will be OK to deep gravel vacuum. Others will not, depending on what you use as a substrate. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erikaandnewton Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] redoing my frog/guppy so I'm moving my frog tank to a new house and have decided to take the oppornunity to really do it up. I want to put lots of plants in it and was wondering if I should go to a plant substrate or stick with what I have. If i go to a plant substrate, how would one vacuum that? and I know i've asked this before, and no one has to answer, i can look it up, but what plants are easy to keep. thanks1 erika wilmington,de,usa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38824	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Rams

Thanks for the link! Your tanks are terrific, Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> wrote: > From: mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:06 AM > I had posted some pics of my rams in > the members folder quite a while ago.  They are still > there at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/167491644/pic/list > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > > > Do you have any pictures posted?  Would you? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, mosquitokr2002 > <mosquitokr2002@...> wrote: > > > > > From: mosquitokr2002 <mosquitokr2002@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Rams > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 11:17 PM > > > I also have Bolivian Rams and find > > > them to be very passive--almost to a fault. I am > often > > > concerned that the other fish housed with them > are eating > > > the majority of the food. At feeding time, my > Rams move very > > > slowly and deliberately as though considering the > food > > > before eating. I would not keep them with fast > moving > > > species. > > > > > > Mine get along well with a pair of Moonlight > Gouramis and > > > some White Skirt Tetras and have even spawned > with them in > > > the tank. The tank is heavily planted with lots > of hiding > > > places. > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I keep 2 bolivian rams in my 125 gallon tank > with the > > > rest of my fish, > > > > occasionally I have noticed them chase fish > out of > > > their territory, but > > > > most of the time they are fairly passive. > They don't > > > seem to mind my > > > > live bearers, I have guppy's and Platy's, as > well as > > > other fish (dwarf > > > > gourami, 2 angel fish, 1 severum, 6 > hillstream > > > loaches, and 2 glofish > > > > danio's). But they might be okay with the > mixture of > > > fish because it's > > > > such a large tank. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > va22_vyshys wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, arent we straight to the point, > LOL. Rams > > > are semi-agressive yet > > > > > sensitive fish. They can bully any > passive fish > > > like kuhli loaches, > > > > > but they wont be happy with swordtails, > because > > > swordtails are all > > > > > over the place. Rams also like to have > slightly > > > acidic, soft water and > > > > > swordtails do not. Bettas will bully > your rams > > > (first hand experience) > > > > > and eat the eggs that they lay, causing > your rams > > > to eat their own > > > > > eggs. It could work in a bigger tank > just not a > > > 22 gallon. if you want > > > > > the rams, at least to be happy, I would > suggest > > > keeping the > > > > > bristlenose and the cardinal tetras and > letting > > > go of the live > > > > > bearers. And my experience comes from > the german > > > blue rams I do not > > > > > know much about the Bolivian except > that it's > > > bigger. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Lisa" <lisa_lawless2004@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience with > rams? > > > German blue, Bolivian or gold? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cause I really like the rams. > (Mostly GBR) > > > But I want some tips off > > > > > people with first hand experience, not > some web > > > page link. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a 22gal tropical atm, with > an u/g > > > filter, and silk/plastic > > > > > plants and a piece of dwarf anubias on > > > bogwood?that is now > > > > > established thanks to my current > occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 sword tails (1male 3 female) 9 > guppies (1 > > > male 8 females), 1 kuhli > > > > > loach, 1 bristle nose catfish (male I > think), 2 > > > cardinal tetras and a > > > > > male betta. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be trading in my female > guppies, and > > > my cardinal tetras. > > > > > > > > > > > > So. Are rams compatible with > bristlenose > > > catfish, Kuhlis, bettas, > > > > > and swordtails? > > > > > > > > > > > > The tank gets a weekly 10 ?20% > pwc, and the > > > diet is a combination > > > > > of freeze dried blood worms, > sprillilina, > > > dalphina, and baby brine > > > > > eggs. With the occasional treat of live > blackworm > > > and brine shrimp. > > > > > > For my bristlenose and my kuhli > loach, algae > > > disks, and bottom > > > > > feeder pellets. > > > > > > > > > > > > My LFS has recently got in some > gold rams, > > > really pretty, but > > > > > pricey. He said `Ask me again in a week > if they > > > are easy to care for' lol > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, any firsthand advice would > be > > > greatly appreciated > > > > > > And remember please, I'm only a > novice large > > > aquarium keeper, so > > > > > please, no in depth techno jargen. > > > > > > . > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38825	From: erikaandnewton	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: redoing my frog/guppy

thanks lenny, that should be frog/guppy tank btw! might have more questions after I read, but we'll see:-) erika wilmington, de, usa --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Erika, > > I have a blog article > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. > html about setting up a beginners type planted tank, which will answer the > majority of your questions, with a few links to lists of easy-to-grow, > low-light plants. I also have some retail sites with easy-to-grow plant > packages that list some of the common easy-to-grow plants. Print these or > write them down when you go looking around for plants. Be careful as many > stores often sell bog plants as aquatic plants and also often have them > mislabeled so compared pictures to the real plants to be as certain as > possible about what you are buying. > > As far as substrates, many of us simply use regular gravel but there are > more sophisticated substrates. If you have easy-to-grow plants, they will > do fine in regular gravel. I deep vacuum my gravel where there are no > rooted plants and where there are rooted plants, I just lightly vacuum the > surface detritus. Some plant substrates, will be OK to deep gravel vacuum. > Others will not, depending on what you use as a substrate. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of erikaandnewton > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] redoing my frog/guppy > > so I'm moving my frog tank to a new house and have decided to take the > oppornunity to really do it up. I want to put lots of plants in it and was > wondering if I should go to a plant substrate or stick with what I have. If > i go to a plant substrate, how would one vacuum that? and I know i've asked > this before, and no one has to answer, i can look it up, but what plants are > easy to keep. > > thanks1 > > erika wilmington,de,usa >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38826	From: kfm241	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: rainbow fish diet

Thankyou for letting me know this kevins my first name too--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin E Boyle" <synoman1@...> wrote: > > i habe both types as well as the red and they get by well with tetra min tropical crisps, 6 other assorted dry foods and frozen bloodworms (which they get every day) the worms are expensive but they they go crazy for them, and it seems to improve color as well. > > > > With a thousand lies > And a good disguise > Hit em' right between the eyes > Hit em' right between the eyes > > When you walk away, > Nothing more to say. > See the lightning in your eyes > See em' running for their lives > > ><(((*> ><)))*> ><(((*> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kfm241 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:23 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] rainbow fish diet > > > Could someone tell me what are some good frozen foods to feed my rainbows I have praecox rainbow and boesemani rainbow thank you > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38827	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

I do the same thing when I do water changes, I put some in a bucket and water my houseplants as well. I figured it would be good for them, so far they definitely haven't complained ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes. In fact, when cleaning the bottom of your pond, your filter, > etc., ALL > of the detritus and mulm is rich in nutrients for plants (nitrates, > phosphates, etc.). Removing this more frequently will also help with > getting rid of some of your algae problem. > > When I do PWC's (partial water changes) on my smaller tank, when I do not > use my Python Water Change System and use a regular gravel siphon, I water > my own couple of plants and then give the rest of the dirty water to my > neighbor who has tons of plants. Plants LOVE fish water and waste. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Ronald S. Winkley > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > Hi to All, > > As a new group member this is my first post here. > > I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond > which contains a lot of green algae. I think the green sludge that I > collect should make a good garden fertilizer. Can anyone say if this is > correct? > > Thanks and best wishes > > RonW. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38828	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes

I fully agree with you, I'm taking the fish back later this week when the girl is working again. I want to tell her exactly how big the fish can get for one thing ;). I plan on printing off some pages on it. I don't think it will get much larger in less than a week's time, at least I hope not, LOL. I took all of my smallest fish out of the tank just to be safe for now. It's obviously a baby red tailed catfish, as it's only a few inches long, but It'll be a monster some day. I feel sorry for the fish, who knows where it'll end up :( Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > I think the most commonly seen red tailed catfish in the hobby is > _Phractocephalus hemioliopterus_ from South America. Among sites on the > web, there seems to be some disagreement of the full size of the fish, > but all agree it is a large fish. Too large to be kept in a typical home > aquarium, at least until the typical home aquarium becomes several > thousand gallons. I recall seeing one in a public aquaria, I want to say > the Shedd, but I am not sure, that, in my mind, was about 6 foot long. > > They are often seen in shops at about 2" long, and do look very cute. As > they grow, they lose that cute attribute, as the colors are not so > vibrant, and they will gradually eat their way through the population of > your tank--anything they can swallow. On the bright side, they are not > necessarily daily feeders, so you would only need to buy new fish each > week <g>. > > If I was Amber, I'd not wait for the fish to get larger, but take it > back right now, especially since the fish was misrepresented as another > species to her. These fish are very difficult to re-home due to the size > they reach, and their easy availability as young, much smaller fish. > Most people and places simply do not have the ability to house them in a > proper sized tank. > > FWIW, it is my opinion that selling fish like this can prompt > legislation that will harm the hobby. This also highlights that one > should be fairly certain what they are buying so that it will fit in the > tanks they have, or will have in the near term future. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:10 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish > sometimes > > > > When are you going to learn to take pics of the fish at your LFS > first.. > > then check them out online before buying. I didn't think a red tail > catfish > > got that big though. I did a quick Google and I see a couple of > different > > species with that same common name. > > > > A search on http://fishbase.org <http://fishbase.org> for the common > name, "redtail catfish" > found > > these two. > > > > http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=5427 > <http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=5427> (65cm = around > 25") > > > > http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=6421 > <http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=6421> (134cm... twice > as > > big = over 4') > > > > Either are still tank busters for your 125G though. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ugh wish my LFS knew more about fish sometimes > > > > Okay so I walked out of the store today thinking I had bought a San > Raphael > > catfish (otherwise known as a talking catfish). It turns out that I > have > > what looks like a red tail catfish, which gets up to 5 feet long! I > will > > definitely be trading this guy in later on it looks like, there's no > way I > > can keep him until he's 5 feet in just a 125 gallon tank, and I don't > have > > room for a 300 gallon tank! LOL. Gah, can't believe they didn't know > how big > > they get. I was told 6 inches :( I was also told it's peaceful, we > shall see > > soon enough :( > > > > Amber > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38829	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

I don't agree with Lenny; I've used those clumpers routinely without choking my fish to death! I suspect the problem more likely lay in the reason why you needed the accuclear. Fish can succumb to bad water parameters in a hurry. If this is the reason why you need to sterilize the tank, then you don't. Just suction out the gravel well; may take several changes of water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38830	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

I don't think there's some exact right recipe. I use plenty of chlorox when I have to kill the diatom growth on my plastic plants. Rinse thoroughly. Especially driftwood and stuff of that nature. Usually it is necessary to work with chlorox outside because of the fumes. Atleast to clean an entire tank and its gravel. Now, I bleached the gravel when I first got it. Same way. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! Can someone give me the recipe or proper mix to sterilize with Clorox bleach? Have a 29 that went belly up and need to re-do the whole thing and start of scratch. No bleach in the tank itself, recipe would be for a 5-gallon bucket for plastic plants and decorations. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38831	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

Well, probably, but then, so would the lawn clippings, the leaves that fall from the trees - and all three options will look ugly on your garden plants. Nothing like stringy algae to show off your plants.:) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . This is my best guess, as I've never had a pond with a severe enough algae problem where I could actually filter out and collect the algae. While algae is a problem in the spring, appear before the other plants have a chance to get a start, the other plants will out compete at least most of the algae, so that it is no longer a problem. If this is a consistent problem during the year, or you have enough to consider using it as fertilizer, your pond management techniques would need to be discussed so that this situation is largely avoided. You might try to compost it. The problem with algae is that when you dry it out, it becomes a hard, brittle substance. If you put it into a compost pile, this will help prevent it from drying before it decomposes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Ronald S. Winkley > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > Hi to All, > > As a new group member this is my first post here. > > I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond which contains a lot > of green algae. I think the green sludge that I collect should make a good garden fertilizer. > Can anyone say if this is correct? > > Thanks and best wishes > > RonW. > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38832	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Shoal of Cory catfish

I want to get some Cory's for my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, in case anyone is wondering ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38833	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic effect envisoned here. First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is to ban pet birds and fish! Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate commerce. Unclear that it does. Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38834	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

While some fish from the same genus will sometimes school/shoal together, it's not guaranteed. Albino fish, of the same species should shoal with the non-albino of the same species... although some fish do show discriminatory practices at times. In the wild, new color/finage variants, albino variants, etc., are more likely to suffer from predation as they stand out from the crowd... or they could just be shunned from the crowd so that leads to their predation (being eaten) more often. I'm sure in the predatory fish world, albino fish is the "other white meat" (re: the pork TV commercials). LOL A shoal of five or six is usually good but like most schooling/shoaling fish, the more the merrier. Three would be the bare minimum but since you have the room, go with the right size shoals from the start, presuming one or more might die so the shoal/school will go down in size. If you only start with three and one dies, then you are back to having to find more of the same species and then quarantining them, etc., before introducing them to the community tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish I want to get some Cory's for my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, in case anyone is wondering ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38835	From: bill1433	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Hi Amber, I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda Cory’s all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing fine. Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > gallon tank after I return the > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should > I mix the > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I > have 3 of each > in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the > Guppy fry and > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I > wanted some > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get > more if I > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > wasn't sure if > having 2 different kinds would matter. > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this > weekend as well, in > case anyone is wondering ;) > > Amber > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38836	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: ottos

right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are the 2 I have living enough? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38837	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

They prefer groups, I would add at least 4 more, the more you add the more you'll have when you lose some ;) Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along > with 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more > Otto or are the 2 I have living enough? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38838	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Whites White & Colors Bright!

On my other fish forums, I have read many instances where chemicals were used to fix a problem and ended in killing fish and/or plants instead. Water clarifiers and algae killers especially. I always avoid them. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! I don't agree with Lenny; I've used those clumpers routinely without choking my fish to death! I suspect the problem more likely lay in the reason why you needed the accuclear. Fish can succumb to bad water parameters in a hurry. If this is the reason why you need to sterilize the tank, then you don't. Just suction out the gravel well; may take several changes of water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Whites White & Colors Bright! I'm sorry to hear about your fish BUT I'm LMAO right now... not at your situation but what I just found with Google. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38839	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

According to the experts who have read the proposed bill, it would severely impact the importation of non-native species of all things... pet fish, pet birds, etc. Remember that NOBama is in bed with the left, big-time, and the House is controlled by the left-coast Pelosi... who wants the rest of us to ride bikes while she jet-sets around in luxury government jets... on our tax dollars. Same with PETA and HSUS... they jet-set around on the donations that they get from un-suspecting contributors while trying to dictate to the rest of us on how we should live... and neither group really does anything to "save" any of the pets they claim to care so much about. PETA shelters kill 90% of the animals they supposedly "rescue". HSUS doesn't even have a single shelter for animals. Heck, if I was an abused pet and I saw PETA coming to "rescue" me, I'd run out in interstate traffic... my chances of survival would be higher. I'm sure when many unknowing folks voted for "Change", they didn't expect the annual deficit to triple in size in the first year and the national debt to double in size in the next 4-8 years... but that's what happens when folks DO NOT know what is really going on in Washington, D.C.. In this case, we know ahead of time and should ALL be signing the online petitions and sending emails, letters, faxes and phone calls to the liberal congressmen/women who might vote for this bill... or be prepared to have to give up your pet fish and birds in the near future.... and if they keep up the ban on oil exploration and drilling, we'll also be giving up our cars in the near future. And then the socialist taxes on energy (and everything else) will make it MUCH more difficult to pay for lighting or filter systems for our tanks... but there's always the Walstad El! Natural! Tank http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html for those of us who can't afford the double or triple the cost energy in the near future. The good news is that China will be happy to sell us their old-style plain gray clothes, pointy rice-field hats and bicycles for us to use... as a way of paying off some of the national debt that we ALL owe them now and will only double or triple in size in the next several years. Here's the future of traffic jams in L.A. and New York... http://voyage.typepad.com/lfc_images/Peoples_Republic_Of_Cycle.jpg And the suburbs... ahhh.. the scenic route! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/248989071_616f6df494.jpg For your other questions, read (or re-read) the below posts in this thread and \\Steve's/ post that isn't in this thread. Fish... had to get this one back on topic! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic effect envisoned here. First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is to ban pet birds and fish! Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate commerce. Unclear that it does. Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38840	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Bill, While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on the species? You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the young whipper-snappers! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Hi Amber, I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing fine. Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > gallon tank after I return the > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy > fry and > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38841	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Dora, Look up the bill and read it. It is downright scary. Pretty much, if a species is not listed, it is invasive, and it is a complex process to get through to list a critter, and it is to occur in a very short time span. Read the bill for the particulars. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of > more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic > effect envisoned here. > > First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly > isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is > to ban pet birds and fish! > > Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate > commerce. Unclear that it does. > > Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > > Joe, > > I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject > line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct > subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got > from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. > > Dear GoldLenny, > > You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, > entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation > of non-native species". > > This is the message that was sent: > > *************** > Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, > 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative > Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how > species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the > "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all > unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, > trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would > be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included > on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be > prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners > across the nation. > > A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be > heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard > at work to stop activities involving non-native species. > > You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your > opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend > the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or > request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize > like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your > representative at the same time. > > Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded > individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an > issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV > stations. We need to get the word out. > > More details can be found at the following link on AC > (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): > http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 > AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 > MFK Petition : > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 > > A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > > Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our > hobby. > *************** > > All the best, > Aquaria Central > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of joesbirds@... > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Cc: anubiasdesign@... > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > > ____________________________________ > From: MR 2CAN > To: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > > Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored > legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic > birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit > their breeding and in most instances their possession. > > The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of > Representatives > > Regards, > > Jerry Jennings > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38842	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

I believe you want to oppose 669, or at least help shape it to minimize pet fish restrictions. If you import a fish into NJ because it’s banned in FL, then will interstate from NJ to FL be banned? Pet fish imports in Australia are severely limited. For example, if there are known 300 species of African cichlids, Australia might permit 30. If you are caught importing or even keeping a fish that is not permitted you are subject to heavy fines and jail time. African cichlids (most of them) are plentiful in the wild and even create one of the few profitable businesses for people living near the lakes. In the US it is common for a breeder to keep wild caught pairs and sell the fry. In this way you know you are getting “pure” bred specimens and not hybrids (the fish hybridize easily). We don’t want to become the next Australia. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic effect envisoned here. First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is to ban pet birds and fish! Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate commerce. Unclear that it does. Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com> entral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837> entral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com> entral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterf <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852> ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterf <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948> ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38843	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

I did write to my congressman regarding this issue. Can’t hurt! I also read on another forum that in some instances, fishkeepers are blamed in error for problems with non-native invasive fish. For example, transcontinental ships may have unknowingly taken on lionfish larvae in their bilge water while abroad, and then purged the bilge in US coastal waters. So restricting imports would not solve the problem in addition to harming the hobby. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic effect envisoned here. First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is to ban pet birds and fish! Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate commerce. Unclear that it does. Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com> entral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837> entral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariac <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com> entral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterf <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852> ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterf <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948> ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38844	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Also, Australia has some severe restrictions on exports of their native fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > I believe you want to oppose 669, or at least help shape it to minimize pet > fish restrictions. > > > > If you import a fish into NJ because it's banned in FL, then will interstate > from NJ to FL be banned? > > > > Pet fish imports in Australia are severely limited. For example, if there > are known 300 species of African cichlids, Australia might permit 30. If > you are caught importing or even keeping a fish that is not permitted you > are subject to heavy fines and jail time. > > > > African cichlids (most of them) are plentiful in the wild and even create > one of the few profitable businesses for people living near the lakes. In > the US it is common for a breeder to keep wild caught pairs and sell the > fry. In this way you know you are getting "pure" bred specimens and not > hybrids (the fish hybridize easily). > > > > We don't want to become the next Australia. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > > > Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of > > more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic > effect envisoned here. > > First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly > isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is > to ban pet birds and fish! > > Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate > commerce. Unclear that it does. > > Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > Joe, > > I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject > line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct > subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got > from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. > > Dear GoldLenny, > > You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, > entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation > of non-native species". > > This is the message that was sent: > > *************** > Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, > 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative > Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how > species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the > "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all > unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, > trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would > be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included > on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be > prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners > across the nation. > > A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be > heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard > at work to stop activities involving non-native species. > > You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your > opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend > the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or > request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize > like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your > representative at the same time. > > Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded > individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an > issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV > stations. We need to get the word out. > > More details can be found at the following link on AC > (http://www.aquariac > <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com> > entral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): > http://www.aquariac > <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837> > entral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 > AC Petition : http://www.facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> > .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > MFK (http://www.aquariac > <http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com> > entral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): > http://www.monsterf > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852> > ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 > MFK Petition : > http://www.monsterf > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948> > ishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 > > A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> > http://www.facebook <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696> > .com/group.php?gid=86144566696 > > Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our > hobby. > *************** > > All the best, > Aquaria Central > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of joesbirds@aol. <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> com > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Cc: anubiasdesign@ <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > ____________________________________ > From: MR 2CAN > To: MR 2CAN > BCC: Joesbirds > Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored > legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic > birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38845	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the other species. Edgar Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Bill, While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on the species? You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the young whipper-snappers! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Hi Amber, I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing fine. Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > gallon tank after I return the > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy > fry and > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > Amber Recent Activity * 6 New Members * 20 New PhotosVisit Your Group John McEnroe on Yahoo! Groups Join him for the 10 Day Challenge. Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Auto Enthusiast Zone Car groups and more! Yahoo! Groups Weight Management Challenge Join others who are losing pounds. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38846	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. Amber Edgar Javison wrote: > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > other species. > > Edgar > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Bill, > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, do > they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on the > species? > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > young > whipper-snappers! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Hi Amber, > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > Cory's all > currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing fine. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > > gallon tank after I return the > > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of > > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy > > fry and > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some > > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I > > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure > > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, > > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > Amber > > Recent Activity > * 6 > New Members > * 20 > New PhotosVisit Your Group > John McEnroe > on Yahoo! Groups > Join him for the > 10 Day Challenge. > Yahoo! Groups > Auto Enthusiast Zone > Auto Enthusiast Zone > Car groups and more! > Yahoo! Groups > Weight Management Challenge > Join others who > are losing pounds. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38847	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

order them. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. Amber Edgar Javison wrote: > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > other species. > > Edgar > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Bill, > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, do > they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on the > species? > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > young > whipper-snappers! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Hi Amber, > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > Cory's all > currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing fine. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > > gallon tank after I return the > > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of > > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy > > fry and > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted some > > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more if I > > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't sure > > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as well, > > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > Amber > > Recent Activity > * 6 > New Members > * 20 > New PhotosVisit Your Group > John McEnroe > on Yahoo! Groups > Join him for the > 10 Day Challenge. > Yahoo! Groups > Auto Enthusiast Zone > Auto Enthusiast Zone > Car groups and more! > Yahoo! Groups > Weight Management Challenge > Join others who > are losing pounds. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38848	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Pam, Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you sell them? ;-) Amber, I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go through multiple quarantine processes. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish order them. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. Amber Edgar Javison wrote: > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > other species. > > Edgar > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Bill, > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > the species? > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Hi Amber, > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > fine. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38849	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they are ok. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Pam, Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you sell them? ;-) Amber, I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go through multiple quarantine processes. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish order them. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. Amber Edgar Javison wrote: > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > other species. > > Edgar > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Bill, > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > the species? > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Hi Amber, > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > fine. > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38850	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

What kind are you getting? hehe Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > are ok. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Pam, > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you sell > them? ;-) > > Amber, > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > through > multiple quarantine processes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > order them. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > LFS. I > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > later > on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > > the species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > > fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38851	From: secretserval	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. Andrew

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38852	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38853	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish What kind are you getting? hehe Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > are ok. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Pam, > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you sell > them? ;-) > > Amber, > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > through > multiple quarantine processes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > order them. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 gallon > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > LFS. I > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > later > on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > > the species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > > fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Andrew, Thanks for your informative post. Is this NAIA? http://www.naiaonline.org/ and their blog http://blog.naiaonline.org/ There was also the NAIA Trust which was also about pets. http://www.naiatrust.org/ Is this PIJAC? http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 and their alert about HR 669 http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=175 There were several NAIA's in a Google search and the above two are the only ones that looked right but I wanted to be sure and I'm not sure if one is a spoof of the other or what. I don't want folks joining the enemy by mistake. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. Andrew

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38856	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Pam, I'm going to have to start charging you a sales commission if I have to keep reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your sig. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish What kind are you getting? hehe Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > are ok. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Pam, > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell them? ;-) > > Amber, > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > through multiple quarantine processes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > order them. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from > > the other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > > based on the species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > > doing fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38857	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

PIJAC address is correct. I don't know about the NAIA at all. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics > > Andrew, > > Thanks for your informative post. > > Is this NAIA? http://www.naiaonline.org/ and their blog > http://blog.naiaonline.org/ > > There was also the NAIA Trust which was also about pets. > http://www.naiatrust.org/ > > Is this PIJAC? http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 and their > alert about HR 669 http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=175 > > There were several NAIA's in a Google search and the above two are the only > ones that looked right but I wanted to be sure and I'm not sure if one is a > spoof of the other or what. > > I don't want folks joining the enemy by mistake. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a > parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar > fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads > very similarly to this HR669. > > The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban > breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the > "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at > first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. > The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species > would be added to the approved list. > > After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one > exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became > approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. > Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans > exporting their birds. > In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that > are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list > of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow > yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be > good and not be that bad. They were wrong. > > Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still > plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only > dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present > in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. > > Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish > imports would close down the pet trade. > > And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! > It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved > list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just > ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation > across State line. > > The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species > have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this > Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end > entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. > > The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target > for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics > with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an > invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of > this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this > Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. > > No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be > that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! > > Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and > PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We > NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. > > Andrew > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Pam, I'm going to have to start charging you a sales commission if I have to keep reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your sig. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish What kind are you getting? hehe Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > are ok. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Pam, > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell them? ;-) > > Amber, > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > through multiple quarantine processes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > order them. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from > > the other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > > based on the species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > > doing fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38859	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I wasn't trying to get any sales. I really don't like to ship. If I can sell locally, that much nicer. I'm getting some things in for people that come to me for fish. If anyone wants these, I will make a side deal and ship them. Thanks Lenny! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Pam, I'm going to have to start charging you a sales commission if I have to keep reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your sig. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish What kind are you getting? hehe Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > are ok. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Pam, > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell them? ;-) > > Amber, > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > through multiple quarantine processes. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > order them. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from > > the other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > > based on the species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > > doing fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38860	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled right? Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > > are ok. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Pam, > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell > > them? ;-) > > > > Amber, > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > through > > multiple quarantine processes. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > order them. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > LFS. I > > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > > later > > on see what they get in stock. > > > > Amber > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > > other species. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > > > the species? > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > > > fine. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38861	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Look at this site to see them. I have this in my favs. http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:58:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled right? Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > > are ok. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Pam, > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell > > them? ;-) > > > > Amber, > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > through > > multiple quarantine processes. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > order them. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > LFS. I > > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > > later > > on see what they get in stock. > > > > Amber > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas in > > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > > other species. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That is, > > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals based on > > > the species? > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with the > > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and doing > > > fine. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the peppered > > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon right > > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but wasn't > > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38862	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

is it the Corydoras Turkano? That's a cute one too, if so. I like that one and the Schwartzi cory's. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > Look at this site to see them. I have this in my favs. > http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html > <http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html> > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:58:22 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the > names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled > right? > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > Amber > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > > > are ok. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > > sell > > > them? ;-) > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > > through > > > multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > > gallon > > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > > LFS. I > > > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > > > later > > > on see what they get in stock. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three > Sterbas in > > > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > > > other species. > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? > That is, > > > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > based on > > > > the species? > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around > with the > > > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. > > > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > doing > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > peppered > > > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon > right > > > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > wasn't > > > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38863	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Nice site! Just added it to my favorites folder for Corys. Old Bill better watch out though. I see some more of them Japanese symbols on the page. lol ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:06 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Look at this site to see them. I have this in my favs. http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:58:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled right? Amber pam andress wrote: > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure > > they are ok. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Pam, > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > sell > > them? ;-) > > > > Amber, > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > through multiple quarantine processes. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > order them. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I > > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > > > Amber > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three Sterbas > > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" > > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from > > > the other species. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a > > > comfort to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? That > > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > > > based on the species? > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around with > > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > > > doing fine. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's > > > > for my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what > > > > is a good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 > > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get > > > > more if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, > > > > but wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38864	From: Troy	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

That’s OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don’t care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38865	From: pam andress	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Yes thats it. The schwartzi and the agassizi are close in looks. I'm getting the agassizi as I have 3 already and want to add to them. I also love the looks of the adolfoi. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:13:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish is it the Corydoras Turkano? That's a cute one too, if so. I like that one and the Schwartzi cory's. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > Look at this site to see them. I have this in my favs. > http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html > <http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html> > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:58:22 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the > names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled > right? > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > Amber > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure they > > > are ok. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > > sell > > > them? ;-) > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > > through > > > multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > > gallon > > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > > LFS. I > > > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I suppose. Then > > > later > > > on see what they get in stock. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three > Sterbas in > > > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" time > > > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > > > other species. > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? > That is, > > > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > based on > > > > the species? > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around > with the > > > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. > > > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > doing > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some Cory's for > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > peppered > > > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon > right > > > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can get more > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > wasn't > > > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38866	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I like the adolfoi too, my hubby wasn't as interested though, so we compromised, LOL. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > Yes thats it. > > The schwartzi and the agassizi are close in looks. I'm getting the > agassizi as I have 3 already and want to add to them. I also love the > looks of the adolfoi. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:13:49 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > is it the Corydoras Turkano? > That's a cute one too, if so. I like that one and the Schwartzi cory's. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > Look at this site to see them. I have this in my favs. > > http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html > <http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html> > > <http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html > <http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html>> > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:58:22 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Okay, I admit I fancy the Schwartzi cory's, after looking up all the > > names ;) LOL. I couldn't find the Ascher cory anywhere, is that spelled > > right? > > > > Amber > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and pygmaeus. > > > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and ascher. > > > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in this month if > > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them being shipped out > > > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to make sure > they > > > > are ok. > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your suggestion? Do you > > > sell > > > > them? ;-) > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you don't have to go > > > > through > > > > multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 shoals for my 125 > > > gallon > > > > tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do this yet at the > > > > LFS. I > > > > can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon for now I > suppose. Then > > > > later > > > > on see what they get in stock. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and three > > Sterbas in > > > > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during "sleeping" > time > > > > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far away from the > > > > > other species. > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a > comfort > > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal together? > > That is, > > > > > do they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > > based on > > > > > the species? > > > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang around > > with the > > > > > young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically > > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. > > > > > com] On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 Panda > > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > > doing > > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want to get some > Cory's for > > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the monster catfish, what is a > > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the albino's with the > > peppered > > > > > > cory's or stick to one type? I have 3 of each in my 55 gallon > > right > > > > > > now and they seem pretty happy, the Guppy fry and > > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank so I wanted > > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can > get more > > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, but > > wasn't > > > > > > sure if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this weekend as > > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38867	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38868	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

I would get more than 2 maybe like 4 or 5. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are the 2 I have living enough? > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38869	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

They mostly stay in one big pile except at feeding time, then its every man for himself! Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 7:21 PM > Bill, > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal > together?  That is, do > they huddle together or do they remain in separate shoals > based on the > species? > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang > around with the young > whipper-snappers! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > Hi Amber, > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green and 8 > Panda Cory's all > currently in a 29-gallon tank.  All getting along and > doing fine. > > Bill > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > > gallon tank after I return the > > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a shoal? > Should I mix the > > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one > type? I have 3 of > > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem pretty > happy, the Guppy > > fry and > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the tank > so I wanted some > > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I can > get more if I > > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't enough, > but wasn't sure > > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier this > weekend as well, > > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > Amber > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38870	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Amber, Remember that not all Cory's have the same water parameter needs. A bit of homework and reading up. Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:13 PM > Okay based on all this talk I think I > will get 2 shoals for my 125 > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me to do > this yet at > the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 gallon > for now I > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > Amber > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, and > three Sterbas in > > my 50g. While they do eat and play together, during > "sleeping" time > > they tend to stick to their species, albeit not far > away from the > > other species. > > > > Edgar > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why > it's a comfort > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Bill, > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they shoal > together? That is, do > > they huddle together or do they remain in separate > shoals based on the > > species? > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually hang > around with the > > young > > whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large Green > and 8 Panda > > Cory's all > > currently in a 29-gallon tank. All getting along and > doing fine. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM > > > I want to get some Cory's for my 125 > > > gallon tank after I return the > > > monster catfish, what is a good amount for a > shoal? Should I mix the > > > albino's with the peppered cory's or stick to one > type? I have 3 of > > > each in my 55 gallon right now and they seem > pretty happy, the Guppy > > > fry and > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of the > tank so I wanted some > > > bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy so far. I > can get more if I > > > should have a bigger group, if 6 total isn't > enough, but wasn't sure > > > if having 2 different kinds would matter. > > > I also added media from a cycled filter earlier > this weekend as well, > > > in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > Recent Activity > > * 6 > > New Members > > * 20 > > New PhotosVisit Your Group > > John McEnroe > > on Yahoo! Groups > > Join him for the > > 10 Day Challenge. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Auto Enthusiast Zone > > Auto Enthusiast Zone > > Car groups and more! > > Yahoo! Groups > > Weight Management Challenge > > Join others who > > are losing pounds. > > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38871	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Hi Pam, Please forgive this very late “Thank You”. But your current messages about shipping fish have again reminded me. Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and at that time, and as yet today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck of the woods. To that end you had given me a contact over at Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long story short, there have been many emails back and fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice and very understanding people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness to me. They are great people who care more about fish health and safety than they do about making a buck and have already become friends. As you already know, those qualities are very rare these days. Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, Bill --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I really don't like to > ship. If I can sell locally, that much nicer. I'm getting > some things in for people that come to me for fish. If > anyone wants these, I will make a side deal and ship them. > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: GoldLenny@... > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Pam, > > I'm going to have to start charging you a sales commission > if I have to keep > reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your sig. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and > pygmaeus. > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and > ascher. > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > Pam > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: amber@... > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in > this month if > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them > being shipped out > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to > make sure they > > are ok. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Pam, > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your > suggestion? Do you > > sell them? ;-) > > > > Amber, > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you > don't have to go > > through multiple quarantine processes. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > order them. > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 > shoals for my 125 > > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me > to do this yet > > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 > gallon for now I > > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > > > Amber > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, > and three Sterbas > > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, > during "sleeping" > > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit > not far away from > > > the other species. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's > why it's a comfort > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they > shoal together? That > > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in > separate shoals > > > based on the species? > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually > hang around with > > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > com] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large > Green and 8 Panda > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All > getting along and > > > doing fine. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > catfish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want > to get some Cory's for > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the > monster catfish, what is a > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > albino's with the > > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, > the Guppy fry and > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of > the tank so I wanted > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy > so far. I can get more > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total > isn't enough, but > > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds > would matter. > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter > earlier this weekend as > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38872	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "va22_vyshys" <va22_vyshys@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I would get more than 2 maybe like 4 or 5. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with > 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or > are the 2 I have living enough? > > > > > > > Kate Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38873	From: ED	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Wow all this talk of corys, We have about 45 babies about 1" - 1-1/4" plus of course our angel babies. Cripes I thought 340gallons of tanks would be enough. LOL. Still need more for finishing babies, especially tall tanks for the angel babies. It's soooooo awesome to see all those corys move together. Oh! Duh! Simple greens nothing fancy. Been hoping on the panda corys to lay again but seem to be missing it. "It all started with a simple 10gl. tank!" I need to get some of the photos posted. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Hi Pam, > > Please forgive this very late “Thank You”. But your current messages about shipping fish have again reminded me. > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and at that time, and as yet > today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck of the woods. To that end you had given me a contact over at Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long story short, there have been many emails back and fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice and very understanding people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. > > Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness to me. They are great people who care more about fish health and safety than they do about making a buck and have already become friends. As you already know, those qualities are very rare these days. > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > Bill > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I really don't like to > > ship. If I can sell locally, that much nicer. I'm getting > > some things in for people that come to me for fish. If > > anyone wants these, I will make a side deal and ship them. > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > From: GoldLenny@... > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > I'm going to have to start charging you a sales commission > > if I have to keep > > reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your sig. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi and > > pygmaeus. > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, schwartzi and > > ascher. > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > Pam > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > From: amber@... > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > Amber > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to get some in > > this month if > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about them > > being shipped out > > > after just getting them. I might want to wait a bit to > > make sure they > > > are ok. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind your > > suggestion? Do you > > > sell them? ;-) > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time so you > > don't have to go > > > through multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > From: amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will get 2 > > shoals for my 125 > > > gallon tank, but they don't have enough Cory's for me > > to do this yet > > > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em to my 55 > > gallon for now I > > > suppose. Then later on see what they get in stock. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, three pandas, > > and three Sterbas > > > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play together, > > during "sleeping" > > > > time they tend to stick to their species, albeit > > not far away from > > > > the other species. > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's > > why it's a comfort > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do they > > shoal together? That > > > > is, do they huddle together or do they remain in > > separate shoals > > > > based on the species? > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats don't usually > > hang around with > > > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > > com] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, 3 Large > > Green and 8 Panda > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon tank. All > > getting along and > > > > doing fine. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund > > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > > com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > > catfish > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 PM I want > > to get some Cory's for > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return the > > monster catfish, what is a > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I mix the > > albino's with the > > > > > peppered cory's or stick to one type? I have > > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > > gallon right now and they seem pretty happy, > > the Guppy fry and > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the upper part of > > the tank so I wanted > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem pretty happy > > so far. I can get more > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, if 6 total > > isn't enough, but > > > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different kinds > > would matter. > > > > > I also added media from a cycled filter > > earlier this weekend as > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38874	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Hi Ed! Where are you and how are you! Yes, most definitely some pictures would be great and the big question? Are you selling and shipping same? It would be a shame to have all of those great Cory's for yourself. Why not share some and MT a few tanks for more room? Bill --- On Mon, 4/6/09, ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote: > From: ED <crowstarwalker@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:03 AM > Wow all this talk of corys, We have > about 45 babies about 1" - 1-1/4" plus of course our angel > babies. Cripes I thought 340gallons of tanks would be > enough. LOL. Still need more for finishing babies, > especially tall tanks for the angel babies. It's soooooo > awesome to see all those corys move together. Oh! Duh! > Simple greens nothing fancy. Been hoping on the panda corys > to lay again but seem to be missing it. "It all started with > a simple 10gl. tank!" I need to get some of the photos > posted. > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > Please forgive this very late โ€�Thank > Youโ€�.   But your current messages > about shipping fish have again reminded me. > > > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and > at that time, and as yet > > today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck > of the woods.  To that end you had given me a contact > over at Aquabid to some very nice people.  To make a > long story short, there have been many emails back and > fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice and very > understanding people.  The fish are fourth coming and > we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a bit more > conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. > > > > Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness > to me.  They are great people who care more about fish > health and safety than they do about making a buck and have > already become friends.  As you already know, those > qualities are very rare these days. > > > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress > <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > > > > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I really don't > like to > > > ship. If I can sell locally, that much nicer. I'm > getting > > > some things in for people that come to me for > fish. If > > > anyone wants these, I will make a side deal and > ship them. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > > > > > Pam > > >  > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > From: GoldLenny@... > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > I'm going to have to start charging you a sales > commission > > > if I have to keep > > > reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your > sig. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed > > > on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi > and > > > pygmaeus. > > > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, > schwartzi and > > > ascher. > > > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > From: amber@... > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to > get some in > > > this month if > > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about > them > > > being shipped out > > > > after just getting them. I might want to > wait a bit to > > > make sure they > > > > are ok. > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From: GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > catfish > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind > your > > > suggestion? Do you > > > > sell them? ;-) > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time > so you > > > don't have to go > > > > through multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > catfish > > > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From: amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > catfish > > > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will > get 2 > > > shoals for my 125 > > > > gallon tank, but they don't have enough > Cory's for me > > > to do this yet > > > > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em > to my 55 > > > gallon for now I > > > > suppose. Then later on see what they get in > stock. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, > three pandas, > > > and three Sterbas > > > > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play > together, > > > during "sleeping" > > > > > time they tend to stick to their > species, albeit > > > not far away from > > > > > the other species. > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of > us. That's > > > why it's a comfort > > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do > they > > > shoal together? That > > > > > is, do they huddle together or do they > remain in > > > separate shoals > > > > > based on the species? > > > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats > don't usually > > > hang around with > > > > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links > to > > > any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > > > com] On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, > 3 Large > > > Green and 8 Panda > > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon > tank. All > > > getting along and > > > > > doing fine. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund > > > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. > > > com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory > > > catfish > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 > PM I want > > > to get some Cory's for > > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return > the > > > monster catfish, what is a > > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I > mix the > > > albino's with the > > > > > > peppered cory's or stick to one > type? I have > > > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > > > gallon right now and they seem > pretty happy, > > > the Guppy fry and > > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the > upper part of > > > the tank so I wanted > > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem > pretty happy > > > so far. I can get more > > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, > if 6 total > > > isn't enough, but > > > > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different > kinds > > > would matter. > > > > > > I also added media from a cycled > filter > > > earlier this weekend as > > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ยทยดยฏ`ยท..ยธยธ.><((((ยบ>.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ><((((ยบ> > > > ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..><((((ยบ> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <ยบ((((><.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ<ยบ((((><ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. > > > , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..<ยบ((((><ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page.ย  > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38875	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <snippo> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38876	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Corydoras, Brochis, etc., should be kept in shoals, preferably in groups of six or more but at least three as a bare minimum. http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm Shoal is similar to school except schooling fish will usually swim together in unison where shoaling fish are usually bottom dwellers and just kind of huddle up together when sleeping/resting. Some species will swim together in unison and there are some mid-level corys that will school. Scroll down to near the bottom of above link to the Pygmy Corydoras and you'll see this... "H - South America; Rio Madeira and its tributaries (Brazil). This fish is found swimming in mid-water in huge schools of thousands in the wild." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38877	From: jett07002	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

You bet!! The aquarium water, bottom debris, etc. from the fish tanks can work wonders in your garden. If it's in the water when you bring it out just water the plants with it. May not be aesthetically nice in a pot, but in the garden, right around the plants in the dirt, you will not even notice it. You can also turn it into your compost pile if you have one. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I do the same thing when I do water changes, I put some in a bucket and > water my houseplants as well. I figured it would be good for them, so > far they definitely haven't complained ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Yes. In fact, when cleaning the bottom of your pond, your filter, > > etc., ALL > > of the detritus and mulm is rich in nutrients for plants (nitrates, > > phosphates, etc.). Removing this more frequently will also help with > > getting rid of some of your algae problem. > > > > When I do PWC's (partial water changes) on my smaller tank, when I do not > > use my Python Water Change System and use a regular gravel siphon, I water > > my own couple of plants and then give the rest of the dirty water to my > > neighbor who has tons of plants. Plants LOVE fish water and waste. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Ronald S. Winkley > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:26 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > > > Hi to All, > > > > As a new group member this is my first post here. > > > > I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden pond > > which contains a lot of green algae. I think the green sludge that I > > collect should make a good garden fertilizer. Can anyone say if this is > > correct? > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > RonW. > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38878	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

"Y" not? Cory's are always better my the bunch! Bill --- On Mon, 4/6/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: > From: red-eye <red-eye@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:51 PM > I must have missed it (what a > surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping > multiple cory's? > > Must be a good reason- TIA > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos > > > > Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have > three still > living at the moment - I think. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > yahoo.com > > > > > > <snippo> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38879	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued and signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." The article goes on further to say... "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all intended imports." Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will be more. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the animals they "rescue". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@...] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38880	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

The cory's I have now will swim together (the peppered cory's), the albino cory's don't swim together as much, but they keep together when they huddle in a corner or something. Mine are pretty busy little guys, all over the tank. I like watching the peppered cory's swim together around the tank, I think I will get a couple more to finish out their shoal, when I return my "monster catfish" ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Corydoras, Brochis, etc., should be kept in shoals, preferably in > groups of > six or more but at least three as a bare minimum. > http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm> > > Shoal is similar to school except schooling fish will usually swim > together > in unison where shoaling fish are usually bottom dwellers and just kind of > huddle up together when sleeping/resting. Some species will swim together > in unison and there are some mid-level corys that will school. Scroll down > to near the bottom of above link to the Pygmy Corydoras and you'll see > this... "H - South America; Rio Madeira and its tributaries (Brazil). This > fish is found swimming in mid-water in huge schools of thousands in the > wild." > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos > > I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping > multiple cory's? > > Must be a good reason- TIA > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos > > Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still > living > at the moment - I think. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38881	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: 55 gallon setup

Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. I do have a question here ;) LOL. I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants dirt in a contained way ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38882	From: pam andress	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to help people with their animals the best I can, but it is nice to know when it works. Pam Hi Pam, Please forgive this very late �Thank You�. But your current messages about shipping fish have again reminded me. Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and at that time, and as yet today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck of the woods. To that end you had given me a contact over at Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long story short, there have been many emails back and fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice and very understanding people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness to me. They are great people who care more about fish health and safety than they do about making a buck and have already become friends. As you already know, those qualities are very rare these days. Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, Bill . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38883	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail catfish (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish mongabay - brought up this link... http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm which is a list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the Mongabay profile/care sheet. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html The Social Behavior (SB) section says: "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to feed at dusk." I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in shoals/schools. They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@... Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash Hauling, Etc. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail catfish (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38885	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

Remember, with Crypts, you do not want to be moving them as they easily suffer from what is known as Crypt Melt where the plant melts back to next to nothing. It will usually come back but if you grow it out in a jar and then replant it, all of your efforts growing it in another tank (or jar) will likely have been for naught. Now, as I re-read your post, were you planning on just using the canning jars as pots to grow the plants in, in your 55G? If yes, so that you could add the Walstad soil to the bottom of the jars, then you would be OK since you wouldn't really be moving the plants once they are initially planted. I use little clay plant pots but they do have a hole in the bottom and quite often, the roots will find their way out of the bottom and into the surrounding gravel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. I do have a question here ;) LOL. I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants dirt in a contained way ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38886	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I'll keep ya posted on the how and the what's when they get here. Again, Thanks Bill --- On Mon, 4/6/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:02 PM > > Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to help people with > their animals the best I can, but it is nice to know when it > works. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > Please forgive this very late “Thank You”. But your > current messages about shipping fish have again reminded > me. > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and at > that time, and as yet > today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck of > the woods. To that end you had given me a contact over at > Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long story > short, there have been many emails back and fourth and a few > phone calls, to some very nice and very understanding > people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only waiting > on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive to shipping > here in Northeastern Pa. > > Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness to > me. They are great people who care more about fish health > and safety than they do about making a buck and have already > become friends. As you already know, those qualities are > very rare these days. > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > Bill > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38887	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

Yes they will be planted in the jars with soil. Honestly I'm not sure what one of the plants are but it didn't melt the last time the plant was moved so perhaps its not a crypt after all heh. I will have to do more research on it. The mother plant in my 125 gallon is huge now though. I was also planning on trimming off a piece from my anubias nana and attaching it to one of the driftwood pieces. Will research the plant later. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Remember, with Crypts, you do not want to be moving them as they easily >suffer from what is known as Crypt Melt where the plant melts back to next >to nothing. It will usually come back but if you grow it out in a jar and >then replant it, all of your efforts growing it in another tank (or jar) >will likely have been for naught. > >Now, as I re-read your post, were you planning on just using the canning >jars as pots to grow the plants in, in your 55G? If yes, so that you could >add the Walstad soil to the bottom of the jars, then you would be OK since >you wouldn't really be moving the plants once they are initially planted. I >use little clay plant pots but they do have a hole in the bottom and quite >often, the roots will find their way out of the bottom and into the >surrounding gravel. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:52 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > >Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood >could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from >tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I >put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in case the >pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. >The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week now, >with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. >I do have a question here ;) LOL. >I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my >recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own >small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for >jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in >case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the >dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough >root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of >some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something >larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be easy >to tell if the plant get's pot bound. >I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how fast >my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another >walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants dirt in a >contained way ;) > >Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38888	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

What kind are ya getting Bill? I want to get some more rams myself, been waitting for the LFS to get more in. But I have to get a new filter for my Q tank as it went and died on me a couple weeks ago :(. I will definitely be putting any new rams in the Q tank first as the last ones came with ich. Amber bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > >I'll keep ya posted on the how and the what's when they get here. > >Again, Thanks > >Bill > >--- On Mon, 4/6/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > >> From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish >> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:02 PM >> >> Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to help people with >> their animals the best I can, but it is nice to know when it >> works. >> >> >> >> Pam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pam, >> >> Please forgive this very late “Thank You”. But your >> current messages about shipping fish have again reminded >> me. >> >> Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and at >> that time, and as yet >> today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck of >> the woods. To that end you had given me a contact over at >> Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long story >> short, there have been many emails back and fourth and a few >> phone calls, to some very nice and very understanding >> people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only waiting >> on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive to shipping >> here in Northeastern Pa. >> >> Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness to >> me. They are great people who care more about fish health >> and safety than they do about making a buck and have already >> become friends. As you already know, those qualities are >> very rare these days. >> >> Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when >> replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> >> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is >> NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of >> the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new >> subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. >> , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >> >> If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of >> unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by >> clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  >> >> Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com >> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a >> time in a single email >> >> Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com >> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to >> read messages on the group and post replies. >> >> Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com >> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >>     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38889	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Believe it or not you’re asking a very tough question. It seems that there is more than an outside chance the the rams I have now are the same as yours, Bolivian, again I think. There seems to be quite a bit of controversy surrounding the correct or proper names as opposed to the pictures web-site are displaying of these fish. I guess it’s a case of; depending what web-site your on, type of thing. Moreover there does not seem to be any clear-cut answers as yet. You would thing that German Blue Rams are BLUE, at least to some extent, but again, this does not seem to be the case. To that end I currently have a mail out to the American Cichlid Association to ask for help and correct clarification once and for all. As I’m sure your aware, most LPS, do not have this ability and they are selling you, or more correctly NAMING for you just exactly what their suppliers are telling or naming for them. So one wrong slip of a name results in a miss-named fish, its that easy. To check search for German Blue Rams and then Bolivian Rams. Can you tell the difference? If so, tell me because I’m lost. BUT if you go here: http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=830+889 look down the page, low in behold! A blue fish that’s called a German Blue Ram. Mine so far look exactly what most web-sites call Bolivian. I wanted German Blues. We’re working on it. Bill --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:32 PM > What kind are ya getting Bill? I want > to get some more rams myself, been waitting for the LFS to > get more in. But I have to get a new filter for my Q tank as > it went and died on me a couple weeks ago :(. I will > definitely be putting any new rams in the Q tank first as > the last ones came with ich. > > Amber > > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > > > >I'll keep ya posted on the how and the what's when they > get here. > > > >Again, Thanks > > > >Bill > > > >--- On Mon, 4/6/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> > wrote: > > > >> From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > >> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:02 PM > >> > >> Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to help > people with > >> their animals the best I can, but it is nice to > know when it > >> works. > >> > >>  > >> > >> Pam > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >> > >> > >> Hi Pam, > >> > >> Please forgive this very late โ€�Thank > Youโ€�. But your > >> current messages about shipping fish have again > reminded > >> me. > >> > >> Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams > and at > >> that time, and as yet > >> today, they were very hard to come buy here in my > neck of > >> the woods. To that end you had given me a contact > over at > >> Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a long > story > >> short, there have been many emails back and fourth > and a few > >> phone calls, to some very nice and very > understanding > >> people. The fish are fourth coming and we are only > waiting > >> on weather conditions to be a bit more conducive > to shipping > >> here in Northeastern Pa. > >> > >> Again many thanks for your kindness and > thoughtfulness to > >> me. They are great people who care more about fish > health > >> and safety than they do about making a buck and > have already > >> become friends. As you already know, those > qualities are > >> very rare these days. > >> > >> Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> . > >>  > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > >> replying, Thank You. > >> > ยทยดยฏ`ยท..ยธยธ.><((((ยบ>.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ><((((ยบ> > >> ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..><((((ยบ> > >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > >> NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > >> the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > >> subject (was re: old subject)" <- > >> > <ยบ((((><.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ<ยบ((((><ยธ.ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธ. > >> , > .ยทยดยฏ`ยท..<ยบ((((><ยทยดยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ. > >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > >> > >> If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > >> unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option > by > >> clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page.ย  > >> > >> Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > >> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > >> time in a single email > >> > >> Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > >> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > >> read messages on the group and post replies. > >> > >> Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > >> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38890	From: bill1433	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish---Amber

I forgot to add the most important thing. If a had a 125 tank I would be filling it with Panda Cory's and German Blue Rams! Sounds crazy but then that's just Bill! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:58 PM > > Believe it or not youтАЩre asking a very tough > question. > > It seems that there is more than an outside chance the > the rams I have now are the same as yours, Bolivian, again > I think.  There seems to be quite a bit of controversy > surrounding > the correct or proper names as opposed to the pictures > web-site are > displaying of these fish. > > I guess itтАЩs a case of; depending what web-site your > on, type of thing. > Moreover there does not seem to be any clear-cut answers as > yet. > You would thing that German Blue Rams are BLUE, at least to > some extent, > but again, this does not seem to be the case.  To that > end I currently have a > mail out to the American Cichlid Association to ask for > help and correct > clarification once and for all. > > As IтАЩm sure your aware, most LPS, do not have this > ability and they are selling > you, or more correctly NAMING for you just exactly what > their suppliers are > telling or naming for them.  So one wrong slip of a > name results in a miss-named fish, its that easy.  To > check search for German Blue Rams and then Bolivian > Rams.  Can you tell the difference?  If so, tell > me because IтАЩm lost. BUT > if you go here:  > > http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=830+889 > > look down the page, low in behold!  A blue fish > thatтАЩs called a German Blue Ram. > Mine so far look exactly what most web-sites call > Bolivian.  I wanted German Blues.  WeтАЩre > working on it. > > Bill > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:32 PM > > What kind are ya getting Bill? I want > > to get some more rams myself, been waitting for the > LFS to > > get more in. But I have to get a new filter for my Q > tank as > > it went and died on me a couple weeks ago :(. I will > > definitely be putting any new rams in the Q tank first > as > > the last ones came with ich. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >I'll keep ya posted on the how and the what's when > they > > get here. > > > > > >Again, Thanks > > > > > >Bill > > > > > >--- On Mon, 4/6/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > catfish > > >> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:02 PM > > >> > > >> Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to > help > > people with > > >> their animals the best I can, but it is nice > to > > know when it > > >> works. > > >> > > >>┬а > > >> > > >> Pam > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>┬а > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Pam, > > >> > > >> Please forgive this very late > р╣ВтВмя┐╜Thank > > Youр╣ВтВмя┐╜. But your > > >> current messages about shipping fish have > again > > reminded > > >> me. > > >> > > >> Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some > Rams > > and at > > >> that time, and as yet > > >> today, they were very hard to come buy here > in my > > neck of > > >> the woods. To that end you had given me a > contact > > over at > > >> Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a > long > > story > > >> short, there have been many emails back and > fourth > > and a few > > >> phone calls, to some very nice and very > > understanding > > >> people. The fish are fourth coming and we are > only > > waiting > > >> on weather conditions to be a bit more > conducive > > to shipping > > >> here in Northeastern Pa. > > >> > > >> Again many thanks for your kindness and > > thoughtfulness to > > >> me. They are great people who care more about > fish > > health > > >> and safety than they do about making a buck > and > > have already > > >> become friends. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38891	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: glass anemones / hair algae

I would like these out of my nano cube 28. I have tried aptasia x that did not do it except made more of them and I tried a sea hare and I belive it ate a softie but I am not sure on that all I do know is that their is more then what i am started with I am thinking of removing the the live rocks and getting new live rock any ideas would be appreated

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38892	From: gail	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38893	From: secretserval	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Yes, naiaonline.org is the correct one. I just didn't know if it would be OK to post the links. Thank you for allowing it. I should let you know too, Legislative specialists from NAIA, PIJAC, ASA, and the AFA have been working together on a Capwiz. In basic terms, it's an easy way to contact the Legislators en masse. It can be used as a form letter, or used to submit one's own words. It should be ready here very very soon, and I'd be glad to post a link to it when it's done, if that would be OK. The more people unified across the animal spectrum against this Bill, the better chance we have of defeating it. Thank you Lenny- Andrew --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Andrew, > > Thanks for your informative post. > > Is this NAIA? http://www.naiaonline.org/ and their blog > http://blog.naiaonline.org/ > > There was also the NAIA Trust which was also about pets. > http://www.naiatrust.org/ > > Is this PIJAC? http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 and their > alert about HR 669 http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=175 > > There were several NAIA's in a Google search and the above two are the only > ones that looked right but I wanted to be sure and I'm not sure if one is a > spoof of the other or what. > > I don't want folks joining the enemy by mistake. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a > parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar > fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads > very similarly to this HR669. > > The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban > breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the > "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at > first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. > The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species > would be added to the approved list. > > After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one > exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became > approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. > Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans > exporting their birds. > In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that > are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list > of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow > yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be > good and not be that bad. They were wrong. > > Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still > plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only > dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present > in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. > > Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish > imports would close down the pet trade. > > And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! > It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved > list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just > ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation > across State line. > > The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species > have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this > Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end > entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. > > The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target > for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics > with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an > invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of > this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this > Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. > > No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be > that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! > > Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and > PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We > NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. > > Andrew >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38894	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish---Amber

LOL, don't blame you Bill, I love cory's and Rams too, I wish I could get my hands on the ones pictured online as German Blue rams myself ;) I only seem to find Bolivian Rams myself. I do like the 2 that I have though. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > I forgot to add the most important thing. > If a had a 125 tank I would be filling it with > Panda Cory's and German Blue Rams! Sounds crazy but then that's > just Bill! > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:58 PM > > > > Believe it or not youтАЩre asking a very tough > > question. > > > > It seems that there is more than an outside chance the > > the rams I have now are the same as yours, Bolivian, again > > I think. There seems to be quite a bit of controversy > > surrounding > > the correct or proper names as opposed to the pictures > > web-site are > > displaying of these fish. > > > > I guess itтАЩs a case of; depending what web-site your > > on, type of thing. > > Moreover there does not seem to be any clear-cut answers as > > yet. > > You would thing that German Blue Rams are BLUE, at least to > > some extent, > > but again, this does not seem to be the case. To that > > end I currently have a > > mail out to the American Cichlid Association to ask for > > help and correct > > clarification once and for all. > > > > As IтАЩm sure your aware, most LPS, do not have this > > ability and they are selling > > you, or more correctly NAMING for you just exactly what > > their suppliers are > > telling or naming for them. So one wrong slip of a > > name results in a miss-named fish, its that easy. To > > check search for German Blue Rams and then Bolivian > > Rams. Can you tell the difference? If so, tell > > me because IтАЩm lost. BUT > > if you go here: > > > > > http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=830+889 > <http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=830+889> > > > > look down the page, low in behold! A blue fish > > thatтАЩs called a German Blue Ram. > > Mine so far look exactly what most web-sites call > > Bolivian. I wanted German Blues. WeтАЩre > > working on it. > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > What kind are ya getting Bill? I want > > > to get some more rams myself, been waitting for the > > LFS to > > > get more in. But I have to get a new filter for my Q > > tank as > > > it went and died on me a couple weeks ago :(. I will > > > definitely be putting any new rams in the Q tank first > > as > > > the last ones came with ich. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I'll keep ya posted on the how and the what's when > > they > > > get here. > > > > > > > >Again, Thanks > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > >--- On Mon, 4/6/09, pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From: pam andress <pamandress23@... > <mailto:pamandress23%40hotmail.com>> > > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > > catfish > > > >> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:02 PM > > > >> > > > >> Wow Thanks Bill for the thanks. I try to > > help > > > people with > > > >> their animals the best I can, but it is nice > > to > > > know when it > > > >> works. > > > >> > > > >>┬а > > > >> > > > >> Pam > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>┬а > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi Pam, > > > >> > > > >> Please forgive this very late > > р╣ВтВмя┐╜Thank > > > Youр╣ВтВмя┐╜. But your > > > >> current messages about shipping fish have > > again > > > reminded > > > >> me. > > > >> > > > >> Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some > > Rams > > > and at > > > >> that time, and as yet > > > >> today, they were very hard to come buy here > > in my > > > neck of > > > >> the woods. To that end you had given me a > > contact > > > over at > > > >> Aquabid to some very nice people. To make a > > long > > > story > > > >> short, there have been many emails back and > > fourth > > > and a few > > > >> phone calls, to some very nice and very > > > understanding > > > >> people. The fish are fourth coming and we are > > only > > > waiting > > > >> on weather conditions to be a bit more > > conducive > > > to shipping > > > >> here in Northeastern Pa. > > > >> > > > >> Again many thanks for your kindness and > > > thoughtfulness to > > > >> me. They are great people who care more about > > fish > > > health > > > >> and safety than they do about making a buck > > and > > > have already > > > >> become friends. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38895	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

Don’t the roots need air? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. I do have a question here ;) LOL. I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants dirt in a contained way ;) Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38896	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

Well it gets water, which has oxygen in it, seems like it should get almost as much as it would without a jar around it. The top is only covered with gravel. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Don’t the roots need air? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the > driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at > all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out > tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the > water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. > The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week > now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another > filter. > I do have a question here ;) LOL. > I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my > recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their > own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for > jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day > in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and > covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small > jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, > and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them > into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see > through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. > I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how > fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make > another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my > plants dirt in a contained way ;) > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38897	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

I sew my plants and Fluorite into polyester pillows and bury in substrate. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup Well it gets water, which has oxygen in it, seems like it should get almost as much as it would without a jar around it. The top is only covered with gravel. Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > Don’t the roots need air? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the > driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at > all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out > tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the > water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. > The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week > now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another > filter. > I do have a question here ;) LOL. > I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my > recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their > own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for > jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day > in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and > covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small > jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, > and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them > into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see > through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. > I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how > fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make > another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my > plants dirt in a contained way ;) > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38898	From: secretserval	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â€" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... Henry Brown (R-SC) 103 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 North Charleston, SC 29406 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html Lois Capps (D-CA) 1110 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 Port Hueneme, CA 93041 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml William Cassidy (R-LA) 506 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 Baton Rouge, LA 70808 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 1032 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 Provo, UT 84601 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) Nisky Business Center Second Floor, Suite 207 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) P.O. Box 5980 Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 Denver, CO 80203 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â€" American Samoa) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) P.O. Box, Drawer X Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) faleomavaega@... Jeff Flake (R-AZ) 240 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 Mesa, AZ 85204 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) jeff.flake@... John Fleming (R-LA) 1023 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 Shreveport, LA 71105 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) Southgate Plaza Shopping Center 1606 Fifth Street Leesville, LA 71446 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml Doc Hastings (R-WA) 1203 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-4704 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D Pasco, WA 99301 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) 302 East Chestnut Street Yakima, WA 98901 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) 2107 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 Bay City, MI 48708 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 Saginaw, MI 48607 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) dkildee@... Ronald James Kind (D-WI) 1406 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 La Crosse, WI 54601 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 Eau Claire, WI 54701 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) ron.kind@... Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) 314 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) 102 Turpins Lane Centreville, MD 21617 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) 437 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) 415 Main Street Buena Vista, CO 81211 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 Colorado Springs, CO 80920 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) 237 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3006 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square New Brunswick, NJ 08901 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) 504 Broadway Long Branch, NJ 07740 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) 1218 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) 250 Calle Fortaleza Old San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform. shtml Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) 2307 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 Bluefield, WV 24701 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) 301 Prince Street Beckley, WV 25801 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%82%c2%a7io ntree=9 Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) 423 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform. shtml Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) 1330 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) 33 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) 104 Washington Street Dover, NH 03820 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/ webform/issue_subscribe.htm Robert J. Wittman (R-VA) 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4261 (Washington Tel. #) 3504 Plank Road, Suite 203 Fredericksburg, VA 22407 540/548-1086 (District Tel. #) 4904-B George Washington Memorial Hwy. Yorktown, VA 23692 757/874-6687 (District Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/wittman/IMA/webforms/i ssue_subscribe.htm Donald E. Young (R-AK) 2111 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5765 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0425 (Washington Fax #) 101 12th Avenue, #10 Fairbanks, AK 99701-6275 907/456-0210 (District Tel. #) 907/456-0279 (District Fax #) Peterson Tower Building 510 L Street, Suite 580 Anchorage, AK 99501-1954 907/271-5978 (District Tel. #) 907/271-5950 (District Fax #) don.young@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38899	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

What size tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. The fins with red streaks can be due to nitrogenous waste poisoning (ammonia, high nitrates) but is also an early warning sign of possibly being Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which is due to an internal bacteria infection. Melafix, while OK for minor things, is not going to help much with more serious things by itself. It will also not help if there are water quality issues. Remember that water quality issues are the number one cause of fish getting sick. Overstocking, having fish in undersized tanks, incompatible fish, etc., will also cause stress issues in fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems will falter, causing one or more fish to get sick. Start by doing proper filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming and daily 10-25% PWC's (partial water changes) to drastically (but slowly) improve water quality. DO NOT DO a large water change. If water quality is a problem, doing a large water change could cause as many problems as it might be trying to help. The only time one should do a large water change is in the event of a contamination of some kind of poison or toxin (cleaning supplies, air freshener, etc.). Give us the info to the questions asked above and tell us more about your overall tank maintenance schedule and we can give better advice. Remember, just because one fish is showing signs of illness does not mean all is good. A fish with a weaker immune system will always start to show signs earlier than other fish with stronger immune systems. Of course, all could be great and a single fish with a weak immune system will get sick and there may not be much you can do about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38900	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

DOH!!!! <slaps forehead LOUDLY> Now you tell me, lol.... Well, now I know what to "feed" all my houseplants and put in the compost and put in the upside down tomatoes, and in the outside garden when all the dang snow finally melts and no more threats of frost and snow falls come my way. Oh boy! Feeling Silly (and grateful!), Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > > You bet!! The aquarium water, bottom debris, etc. from the fish tanks can work wonders in your garden. If it's in the water when you bring it out just water the plants with it. May not be aesthetically nice in a pot, but in the garden, right around the plants in the dirt, you will not even notice it. > > You can also turn it into your compost pile if you have one. > > joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38901	From: nice6669	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: nitrates off the hook

i have 125 with 5 oscars bought a test kit it tell me my nitrates are off the hook the oscars seem fine but i have lost 2 placosamis and a tire trak eel and allmost a shovell nose cat got him out tho he is fine no have a fluvul fx5 fillter and 2 big air pumps what do i do to get nitrats rite

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38902	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Yes, definitely, if you get a centralized online petition source, please let us know. In other political matters that I am active in, there are organized petition drives where we might get hundreds of thousands of online signatures, but these are highly organized political grass root groups. It would be nice if a centralized LARGE conglomerate of groups would get a single source online petition going and then all the fish forums could then direct their members to that one source. Please let us know of the link when it is finalized. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Yes, naiaonline.org is the correct one. I just didn't know if it would be OK to post the links. Thank you for allowing it. I should let you know too, Legislative specialists from NAIA, PIJAC, ASA, and the AFA have been working together on a Capwiz. In basic terms, it's an easy way to contact the Legislators en masse. It can be used as a form letter, or used to submit one's own words. It should be ready here very very soon, and I'd be glad to post a link to it when it's done, if that would be OK. The more people unified across the animal spectrum against this Bill, the better chance we have of defeating it. Thank you Lenny- Andrew --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Andrew, > > Thanks for your informative post. > > Is this NAIA? http://www.naiaonline.org/ and their blog > http://blog.naiaonline.org/ > > There was also the NAIA Trust which was also about pets. > http://www.naiatrust.org/ > > Is this PIJAC? http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 and > their alert about HR 669 > http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=175 > > There were several NAIA's in a Google search and the above two are the > only ones that looked right but I wanted to be sure and I'm not sure > if one is a spoof of the other or what. > > I don't want folks joining the enemy by mistake. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban > All Exotics > > I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a > perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was > affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird > Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. > > The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did > not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that > were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the > approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. > The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more > species would be added to the approved list. > > After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With > one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species > became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. > Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans > exporting their birds. > In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot > species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least > concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. > They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many > believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. > > Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are > still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down > to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no > longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. > > Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish > imports would close down the pet trade. > > And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! > It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the > approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It > would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales > and transportation across State line. > > The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive > species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support > behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The > push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. > > The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the > target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the > scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons > cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. > But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're > also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. > > No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to > be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! > > Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA > and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this > Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. > > Andrew >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38903	From: darlene	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Do you mind if i forward this to my bird groups ? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: 6 avril 2009 21:03 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â€" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... Henry Brown (R-SC) 103 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 North Charleston, SC 29406 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html Lois Capps (D-CA) 1110 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 Port Hueneme, CA 93041 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml William Cassidy (R-LA) 506 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 Baton Rouge, LA 70808 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 1032 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 Provo, UT 84601 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) Nisky Business Center Second Floor, Suite 207 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) P.O. Box 5980 Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 Denver, CO 80203 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â€" American Samoa) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) P.O. Box, Drawer X Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) faleomavaega@... Jeff Flake (R-AZ) 240 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 Mesa, AZ 85204 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) jeff.flake@... John Fleming (R-LA) 1023 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 Shreveport, LA 71105 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) Southgate Plaza Shopping Center 1606 Fifth Street Leesville, LA 71446 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml Doc Hastings (R-WA) 1203 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-4704 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D Pasco, WA 99301 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) 302 East Chestnut Street Yakima, WA 98901 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) 2107 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 Bay City, MI 48708 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 Saginaw, MI 48607 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) dkildee@... Ronald James Kind (D-WI) 1406 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 La Crosse, WI 54601 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 Eau Claire, WI 54701 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) ron.kind@... Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) 314 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) 102 Turpins Lane Centreville, MD 21617 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) 437 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) 415 Main Street Buena Vista, CO 81211 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 Colorado Springs, CO 80920 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) 237 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3006 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square New Brunswick, NJ 08901 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) 504 Broadway Long Branch, NJ 07740 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) 1218 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) 250 Calle Fortaleza Old San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform. shtml Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) 2307 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 Bluefield, WV 24701 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) 301 Prince Street Beckley, WV 25801 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%82%c2%a7io ntree=9 Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) 423 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform. shtml Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) 1330 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) 33 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) 104 Washington Street Dover, NH 03820 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/ webform/issue_subscribe.htm Robert J. Wittman (R-VA) 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4261 (Washington Tel. #) 3504 Plank Road, Suite 203 Fredericksburg, VA 22407 540/548-1086 (District Tel. #) 4904-B George Washington Memorial Hwy. Yorktown, VA 23692 757/874-6687 (District Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/wittman/IMA/webforms/i ssue_subscribe.htm Donald E. Young (R-AK) 2111 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5765 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0425 (Washington Fax #) 101 12th Avenue, #10 Fairbanks, AK 99701-6275 907/456-0210 (District Tel. #) 907/456-0279 (District Fax #) Peterson Tower Building 510 L Street, Suite 580 Anchorage, AK 99501-1954 907/271-5978 (District Tel. #) 907/271-5950 (District Fax #) don.young@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38904	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

That sounds like way too much work ;) LOL. I'd have to search for a needle and thread for starters ;) Good idea though, Amber Donna Ransome wrote: > > I sew my plants and Fluorite into polyester pillows and bury in substrate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > Well it gets water, which has oxygen in it, seems like it should get > almost as much as it would without a jar around it. The top is only > covered with gravel. > > Amber > > Donna Ransome wrote: > > > > Don’t the roots need air? > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > > > Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the > > driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at > > all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out > > tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the > > water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. > > The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week > > now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another > > filter. > > I do have a question here ;) LOL. > > I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my > > recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their > > own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for > > jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day > > in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and > > covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small > > jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, > > and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them > > into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see > > through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. > > I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how > > fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make > > another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my > > plants dirt in a contained way ;) > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38905	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

What do you mean by air? If you mean oxygenated water, I would think that roots in a 3" deep substrate would not get any more oxygenated water and wouldn't the glass jar with Walstad soil and gravel be a microcosm of an entire tank bottom? I concur that if a plant is too big for a jar, that could be a problem with a cramped up root system but hopefully, with a clear jar, Amber will be able to observe this issue. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup Don't the roots need air? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in case the pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week now, with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. I do have a question here ;) LOL. I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be easy to tell if the plant get's pot bound. I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked how fast my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants dirt in a contained way ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

That was the goal at least, I figured in case they're too small, I can always upgrade later on when I can see the roots crowding the jar. Too bad they don't make fat wide canning jars ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > What do you mean by air? If you mean oxygenated water, I would think that > roots in a 3" deep substrate would not get any more oxygenated water and > wouldn't the glass jar with Walstad soil and gravel be a microcosm of an > entire tank bottom? I concur that if a plant is too big for a jar, that > could be a problem with a cramped up root system but hopefully, with a > clear > jar, Amber will be able to observe this issue. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > Don't the roots need air? > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the driftwood > could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from > tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out tannins I > put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in > case the > pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. > The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week > now, > with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. > I do have a question here ;) LOL. > I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my > recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in their own > small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for > jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a day in > case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and covered the > dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough > root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of > some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something > larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be > easy > to tell if the plant get's pot bound. > I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked > how fast > my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make another > walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants > dirt in a > contained way ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38907	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Andrew, Thanks for the info! For those folks who do not have a fax machine and/or do not know how to configure their computers to send faxes, and/or do not want to give out their real fax number to avoid getting spam faxes, I often use the free online faxing service of http://www.faxzero.com You get two free faxes a day so if you want to fax all of the below, start now! Prepare a simple text document, up to three pages long and you can either attach that document to the FaxZero service or copy/paste it into the field provided. You do NOT have to supply an incoming fax number, only your email address to receive an email confirmation that you must click to activate the fax. They do this to prevent their service from being used by spam-bot faxers. Once again, if you do not use fax machines any longer, like I don't, you can also get a free incoming fax number, that will then deliver the faxes to your email account, by signing up for the free service at http://www.eFax.com The free incoming fax number will not be a local number in your area code but at least it will be a way for you to receive incoming faxes right on your computer. The faxes come in similar to an Adobe PDF document that are opened with the small eFax utility that you have to download, if or when you get your first incoming fax. I've been using the above two services for years and years and am happy with them. I'm sure there are other services out there as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38908	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: nitrates off the hook

Five Oscars in a 125G is about three or four too many, depending on the rest of the bioload of the tank. That is the reason your nitrates are off the charts. You have WAY TOO MUCH of a bioload in the tank. You can temporarily help things out by doing daily 10% to 25% PWC's (partial water changes), proper filter maintenance and gravel vacuuming every couple of days.. no less than once a week... but until you get the proper sized bioload, you will constantly have health issues with your fish and ultimately, the Oscars will start to fight as they grow and demand more territory, until you only have one or two left anyhow. It's better to do this before the fish start killing each other. I have a long article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" which will go through the details of proper filter maintenance and cleaning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nice6669 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] nitrates off the hook i have 125 with 5 oscars bought a test kit it tell me my nitrates are off the hook the oscars seem fine but i have lost 2 placosamis and a tire trak eel and allmost a shovell nose cat got him out tho he is fine no have a fluvul fx5 fillter and 2 big air pumps what do i do to get nitrats rite

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38909	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 55 gallon setup

Okay, I've never seen this plant "melt" like it says crypts do, but the plant I thought was a crypt looks a lot like this crypt, but if it has thin leaves, then it's not the same plant. Mine has fairly thick leaves, nearly as thick as the Anubias plants I have in the 125 gallon. But they are crinkled, especially the larger leaves, and it's a reddish brown in the 125 gallon tank, but the small one I have in the 55 gallon is more green looking. http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-64.htm Any thoughts? I can take a picture of it if someone wants to look at it for me. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > That was the goal at least, I figured in case they're too small, I can > always upgrade later on when I can see the roots crowding the jar. Too > bad they don't make fat wide canning jars ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > What do you mean by air? If you mean oxygenated water, I would think > that > > roots in a 3" deep substrate would not get any more oxygenated water and > > wouldn't the glass jar with Walstad soil and gravel be a microcosm of an > > entire tank bottom? I concur that if a plant is too big for a jar, that > > could be a problem with a cramped up root system but hopefully, with a > > clear > > jar, Amber will be able to observe this issue. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > > > Don't the roots need air? > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 gallon setup > > > > Okay, I am fairly certain that the tank is safe of anything the > driftwood > > could have been leaching out. The water has not discolored at all from > > tannins. Just to be safe in case the driftwood was to leach out > tannins I > > put a small chunk of coral in the tank to help buffer the water in > > case the > > pH started to go down from tannins in the drift wood. > > The pH is stable so far, and the tank has been running for over a week > > now, > > with fish in it for a few days, with cycled media from another filter. > > I do have a question here ;) LOL. > > I added 3 small plants from my 10 gallon downstairs that has all my > > recovering plants in it and a few guppy fry. I put the plants in > their own > > small canning jars (they're the little short ones usually used for > > jam/jelly), I put a small amount of dirt (which I let air out for a > day in > > case it had any built up ammonia), then I added the plants and > covered the > > dirt with pebbles/gravel. My question is will these small jars be enough > > root room for easy to grow plants like java fern, crypts, and a sword of > > some type? I can always take them out and transplant them into something > > larger later on I suppose, and since the jar is see through it will be > > easy > > to tell if the plant get's pot bound. > > I didn't want to put the plants straight into the gravel, and liked > > how fast > > my plants grow in the 125 gallon walstad, but didn't want to make > another > > walstad tank. I figured this was the easiest way to give my plants > > dirt in a > > contained way ;) > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38910	From: William	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

The native Americans taught the pilgrims to put a fish in the planting hole before planting the seed. It was a slow way to compost but fed the plants great. Now days the farmers will use cow (or other animal) manure to feed their crops. At the bottom of the tanks are fish manure (and other goodies) that are good foods for plants. Plus you will be saving water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Well, probably, but then, so would the lawn clippings, the leaves that fall > from the trees - and all three options will look ugly on your garden plants. > Nothing like stringy algae to show off your plants.:) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:32 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > > This is my best guess, as I've never had a pond with a severe enough > algae problem where I could actually filter out and collect the algae. > While algae is a problem in the spring, appear before the other plants > have a chance to get a start, the other plants will out compete at least > most of the algae, so that it is no longer a problem. If this is a > consistent problem during the year, or you have enough to consider using > it as fertilizer, your pond management techniques would need to be > discussed so that this situation is largely avoided. > > You might try to compost it. The problem with algae is that when you dry > it out, it becomes a hard, brittle substance. If you put it into a > compost pile, this will help prevent it from drying before it > decomposes. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Ronald S. Winkley > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:26 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > > > Hi to All, > > > > As a new group member this is my first post here. > > > > I have devised a simple drip-through filtering system for my garden > pond which contains a lot > > of green algae. I think the green sludge that I collect should make a > good garden fertilizer. > > Can anyone say if this is correct? > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > RonW. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38911	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

I just got an email in from one of my other political grass roots groups and the below snip is an example of how the Capwiz thing works, where the website does 95% of the work and the citizen merely has to fill in their name and info. It would be nice if a conglomerate of the large industry trade groups start up a Capwiz for this issue and then we could simply spread the link around.... blasting the committee members and our own congressional members with our opposition to this anti-fishkeeping proposal, known as HR 669. (START SNIP) Americans for Prosperity <http://americansforprosperity.org> Take Action! Tell your Senators to Stop Socialized Health Care <http://capwiz.com/americansforprosperity/utr/1/EHJHKFWJOG/AUBAKFWNAB/315914 3286> (END SNIP) Yes, you can also use the above link if you choose. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Yes, naiaonline.org is the correct one. I just didn't know if it would be OK to post the links. Thank you for allowing it. I should let you know too, Legislative specialists from NAIA, PIJAC, ASA, and the AFA have been working together on a Capwiz. In basic terms, it's an easy way to contact the Legislators en masse. It can be used as a form letter, or used to submit one's own words. It should be ready here very very soon, and I'd be glad to post a link to it when it's done, if that would be OK. The more people unified across the animal spectrum against this Bill, the better chance we have of defeating it. Thank you Lenny- Andrew --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Andrew, > > Thanks for your informative post. > > Is this NAIA? http://www.naiaonline.org/ and their blog > http://blog.naiaonline.org/ > > There was also the NAIA Trust which was also about pets. > http://www.naiatrust.org/ > > Is this PIJAC? http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 and > their alert about HR 669 > http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=175 > > There were several NAIA's in a Google search and the above two are the > only ones that looked right but I wanted to be sure and I'm not sure > if one is a spoof of the other or what. > > I don't want folks joining the enemy by mistake. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban > All Exotics > > I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a > perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was > affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird > Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. > > The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did > not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that > were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the > approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. > The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more > species would be added to the approved list. > > After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With > one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species > became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. > Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans > exporting their birds. > In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot > species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least > concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. > They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many > believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. > > Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are > still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down > to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no > longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. > > Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish > imports would close down the pet trade. > > And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! > It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the > approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It > would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales > and transportation across State line. > > The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive > species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support > behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The > push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. > > The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the > target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the > scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons > cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. > But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're > also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. > > No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to > be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! > > Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA > and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this > Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. > > Andrew >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38912	From: Troy	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Lenny, I can understand why you don’t like Washington bureaucrats, but what can you possibly have against PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals is a perfectly fine group, with a good cookbook. T From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued and signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." The article goes on further to say... "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all intended imports." Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will be more. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the animals they "rescue". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> ] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38913	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Sorry. I didn't mean to disparage that fine group with a similar acronym. I'll be certain to put a little E from now on, when referring to the animal killing group, PeTA... that just kills the animals and dumps their corpses into dumpsters when some of them would make mighty fine eatin! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I can understand why you don't like Washington bureaucrats, but what can you possibly have against PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals is a perfectly fine group, with a good cookbook. T From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued and signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." The article goes on further to say... "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all intended imports." Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will be more. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the animals they "rescue". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> ] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38914	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . .

When I lived in a place that HAD a winter, not like you guys HAVE a winter, but, nevertheless, cold and snow on the ground from late November/early December to March or April, I just pumped the water out into the snow--into the garden area, or over the lawn. Never did get good ice skating out there, but had a luscious lawn, and beautiful garden in the areas my hose reached. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > dbrown1973@... > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Agae sludge as a garden plant fertilizer . . . > > > DOH!!!! <slaps forehead LOUDLY> > > Now you tell me, lol.... > > Well, now I know what to "feed" all my houseplants and put in the compost and put in the > upside down tomatoes, and in the outside garden when all the dang snow finally melts and no > more threats of frost and snow falls come my way. Oh boy! > > Feeling Silly (and grateful!), > > Dani in ND > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > > > > > You bet!! The aquarium water, bottom debris, etc. from the fish tanks can work wonders in > your garden. If it's in the water when you bring it out just water the plants with it. May not > be aesthetically nice in a pot, but in the garden, right around the plants in the dirt, you will > not even notice it. > > > > You can also turn it into your compost pile if you have one. > > > > joe t > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38915	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Very cool - Thanks Lenny I love to learn Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Corydoras, Brochis, etc., should be kept in shoals, preferably in groups of six or more but at least three as a bare minimum. http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm> mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm Shoal is similar to school except schooling fish will usually swim together in unison where shoaling fish are usually bottom dwellers and just kind of huddle up together when sleeping/resting. Some species will swim together in unison and there are some mid-level corys that will school. Scroll down to near the bottom of above link to the Pygmy Corydoras and you'll see this... "H - South America; Rio Madeira and its tributaries (Brazil). This fish is found swimming in mid-water in huge schools of thousands in the wild." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38916	From: red-eye	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Very cool - Thanks Lenny I love to learn Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:18 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Corydoras, Brochis, etc., should be kept in shoals, preferably in groups of six or more but at least three as a bare minimum. http://fish. <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm> mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm> mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm Shoal is similar to school except schooling fish will usually swim together in unison where shoaling fish are usually bottom dwellers and just kind of huddle up together when sleeping/resting. Some species will swim together in unison and there are some mid-level corys that will school. Scroll down to near the bottom of above link to the Pygmy Corydoras and you'll see this... "H - South America; Rio Madeira and its tributaries (Brazil). This fish is found swimming in mid-water in huge schools of thousands in the wild." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38917	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. While Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at least in some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the benefit of the experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on it. But you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always read the same stuff we do. While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here may not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's description of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an accurate statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket statement -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped Raphael Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not need the company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with each other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their own species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both get along especially well together. They're most often found in the same place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as they're in a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be in this size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species (I cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's description is certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial towards other catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, but like any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be aggressive towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed that at least at some point some individual of a species may display bad behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish mongabay - > brought up this link... > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm which is a list > of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the Mongabay > profile/care sheet. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a display of > pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a community tank with > fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. It often > hides during the day, and comes out to feed at dusk." > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have their > own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in shoals/schools. > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware of > that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same stuff > that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And watch out > for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@... > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 > Handyman Services, Lawn & Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General > Cleaning & Trash Hauling, Etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own kind > or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the tank? The > LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of them as well as > the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail catfish > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a partner > or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of hiding places for > it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) > I also know it's nocturnal too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38918	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) In reading this thread http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions that his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can learn her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. ;-) You can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there are links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html It seems that either work. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38919	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a little more research. Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name of Striped Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG with common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and cichlids. In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions this issue. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much more peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. costatus. ScotCat.com has http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a January 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says this... "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and crannies' as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and could do damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish such as the small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well with Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins which grow over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. costatus, so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat profile since they use both scientific names on their website. I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael Catfish of either of the above species. Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. While Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at least in some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the benefit of the experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on it. But you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always read the same stuff we do. While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here may not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's description of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an accurate statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket statement -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped Raphael Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not need the company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with each other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their own species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both get along especially well together. They're most often found in the same place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as they're in a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be in this size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species (I cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's description is certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial towards other catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, but like any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be aggressive towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed that at least at some point some individual of a species may display bad behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > mongabay - brought up this link... > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm which is a > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the > Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to feed at dusk." > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in shoals/schools. > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@... > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash Hauling, > Etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > catfish > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of > hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it > into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I > probably won't see much of it ;) > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38920	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .

. . . will small amounts of dog and cat saliva hurt my goldfish? I left 5 gallons of Prime treated water next to the heater to warm up before doing a PWC. I normally put the bucket under a folding chair to keep nosey pets our, but this time I left it sitting on the trolley. It just figures the animals ran out of drinking water and nobody noticed so they drank out of the PWC bucket. I dumped it and will try again in the morning, but for future reference, would the saliva or the germs in it have done any damage? I know there's a bacteria (staph, I believe)in cat saliva that can kill rodents and birds in 2 to three days if it gets into a cut. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38921	From: secretserval	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Thanks for these fax links. This will come in handy with a lot of folks who don't have faxes or want privacy as you suggested, and if it's OK, I'd love to spread these links around too. The more the merrier. Thank you very much. Andrew --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Andrew, > > Thanks for the info! > > For those folks who do not have a fax machine and/or do not know how to configure their computers to send faxes, and/or do not want to give out their real fax number to avoid getting spam faxes, I often use the free online faxing service of http://www.faxzero.com You get two free faxes a day so if you want to fax all of the below, start now! Prepare a simple text document, up to three pages long and you can either attach that document to the FaxZero service or copy/paste it into the field provided. You do NOT have to supply an incoming fax number, only your email address to receive an email confirmation that you must click to activate the fax. They do this to prevent their service from being used by spam-bot faxers. > > Once again, if you do not use fax machines any longer, like I don't, you can also get a free incoming fax number, that will then deliver the faxes to your email account, by signing up for the free service at http://www.eFax.com The free incoming fax number will not be a local number in your area code but at least it will be a way for you to receive incoming faxes right on your computer. The faxes come in similar to an Adobe PDF document that are opened with the small eFax utility that you have to download, if or when you get your first incoming fax. > > I've been using the above two services for years and years and am happy with them. I'm sure there are other services out there as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > > Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. > > Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. > > Andrew > > -------------------------------------------------------- > KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG > > House Committee on Natural Resources > Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife > 187 Ford House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/226-0200 (Tel.) > 202/225-1542 (Fax) > > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) > 427 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-5301 > 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) > 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 > Hagatna, GUAM 96910 > 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) > 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm > > Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) > 1502 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) > Prince Kuhio Federal Building > 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â€" Room 4-104 > Honolulu, HI 96850 > 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) > 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) > neil.abercrombie@ > > Henry Brown (R-SC) > 103 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) > 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C > Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 > 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) > 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) > 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 > North Charleston, SC 29406 > 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) > 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) > http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html > > Lois Capps (D-CA) > 1110 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) > 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 > Port Hueneme, CA 93041 > 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) > 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) > 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) > 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml > > William Cassidy (R-LA) > 506 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) > 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) > 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 > Baton Rouge, LA 70808 > 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) > 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) > http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml > > Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) > 1032 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) > 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 > Provo, UT 84601 > 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) > 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml > > Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) > Nisky Business Center > Second Floor, Suite 207 > St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 > 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) > 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) > P.O. Box 5980 > Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 > St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 > 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) > 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > > Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) > 2335 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) > 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 > Denver, CO 80203 > 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) > 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm > > Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â€" American Samoa) > 2422 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) > P.O. Box, Drawer X > Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 > 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) > 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) > faleomavaega@ > > Jeff Flake (R-AZ) > 240 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) > 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 > Mesa, AZ 85204 > 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) > 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) > jeff.flake@ > > John Fleming (R-LA) > 1023 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) > 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 > Shreveport, LA 71105 > 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) > 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) > Southgate Plaza Shopping Center > 1606 Fifth Street > Leesville, LA 71446 > 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) > 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml > > Doc Hastings (R-WA) > 1203 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-4704 > 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) > 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D > Pasco, WA 99301 > 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) > 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) > 302 East Chestnut Street > Yakima, WA 98901 > 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) > 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) > http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx > > Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) > 2107 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) > 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 > Bay City, MI 48708 > 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) > 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) > 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 > Saginaw, MI 48607 > 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) > 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) > dkildee@ > > Ronald James Kind (D-WI) > 1406 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) > 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 > La Crosse, WI 54601 > 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) > 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) > 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) > 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) > ron.kind@ > > Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) > 314 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) > 102 Turpins Lane > Centreville, MD 21617 > 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) > 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml > > Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) > 437 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) > 415 Main Street > Buena Vista, CO 81211 > 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) > 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) > 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 > Colorado Springs, CO 80920 > 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) > 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) > http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx > > Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) > 237 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-3006 > 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) > 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square > New Brunswick, NJ 08901 > 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) > 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) > 504 Broadway > Long Branch, NJ 07740 > 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) > 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml > > Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) > 1218 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) > 250 Calle Fortaleza Old > San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 > 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) > 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform.shtml > > Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) > 2307 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) > 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 > Bluefield, WV 24701 > 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) > 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) > 301 Prince Street > Beckley, WV 25801 > 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) > 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) > http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%83%c2%82%c3%82%c2%a7iontree=9 > > Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) > 423 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) > https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform.shtml > > Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) > 1330 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) > 33 Lowell Street > Manchester, NH 03101 > 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) > 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) > 104 Washington Street > Dover, NH 03820 > 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) > 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) > http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/webform/issue_subscribe.htm > > > Robert J. Wittman (R-VA) > 1123 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-4261 (Washington Tel. #) > 3504 Plank Road, Suite 203 > Fredericksburg, VA 22407 > 540/548-1086 (District Tel. #) > 4904-B George Washington Memorial Hwy. > Yorktown, VA 23692 > 757/874-6687 (District Tel. #) > https://forms.house.gov/wittman/IMA/webforms/issue_subscribe.htm > > > Donald E. Young (R-AK) > 2111 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5765 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-0425 (Washington Fax #) > 101 12th Avenue, #10 > Fairbanks, AK 99701-6275 > 907/456-0210 (District Tel. #) > 907/456-0279 (District Fax #) > Peterson Tower Building > 510 L Street, Suite 580 > Anchorage, AK 99501-1954 > 907/271-5978 (District Tel. #) > 907/271-5950 (District Fax #) > don.young@ >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38922	From: secretserval	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Please do. Also, with the bird groups, the ASA and AFA are really organizing strongly on this too. ASA has an online forum. And both Legislative leaders are working with the other umbrella pet groups. And thankfully, some of them are actual lawyers too. They did help defeat this Bill last year. But this year, they've been spread out even more with various State and Local anti-pet legislation. What you posted Lenny, about the potential UK law. I could not imagine such a thing here either. We should keep an eye out for it though too, especially at State levels. If the UK thinks of it, someone'll likely think it's a good idea here too. Thanks again- Andrew --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > Do you mind if i forward this to my bird groups ? > > > > > > Darlene > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval > Sent: 6 avril 2009 21:03 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > > > > Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. > > Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. > > Andrew > > -------------------------------------------------------- > KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 > HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG > > House Committee on Natural Resources > Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife > 187 Ford House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/226-0200 (Tel.) > 202/225-1542 (Fax) > > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) > 427 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-5301 > 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) > 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 > Hagatna, GUAM 96910 > 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) > 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm > > Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) > 1502 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) > Prince Kuhio Federal Building > 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â€" Room 4-104 > Honolulu, HI 96850 > 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) > 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) > neil.abercrombie@ > > Henry Brown (R-SC) > 103 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) > 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C > Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 > 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) > 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) > 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 > North Charleston, SC 29406 > 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) > 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) > http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html > > Lois Capps (D-CA) > 1110 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) > 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 > Port Hueneme, CA 93041 > 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) > 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) > 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) > 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml > > William Cassidy (R-LA) > 506 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) > 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) > 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 > Baton Rouge, LA 70808 > 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) > 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) > http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml > > Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) > 1032 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) > 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 > Provo, UT 84601 > 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) > 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml > > Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) > 1510 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) > Nisky Business Center > Second Floor, Suite 207 > St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 > 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) > 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) > P.O. Box 5980 > Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 > St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 > 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) > 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/writerep/ > > Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) > 2335 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) > 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 > Denver, CO 80203 > 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) > 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm > > Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â€" American Samoa) > 2422 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) > P.O. Box, Drawer X > Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 > 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) > 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) > faleomavaega@ > > Jeff Flake (R-AZ) > 240 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) > 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 > Mesa, AZ 85204 > 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) > 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) > jeff.flake@ > > John Fleming (R-LA) > 1023 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) > 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 > Shreveport, LA 71105 > 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) > 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) > Southgate Plaza Shopping Center > 1606 Fifth Street > Leesville, LA 71446 > 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) > 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml > > Doc Hastings (R-WA) > 1203 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-4704 > 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) > 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D > Pasco, WA 99301 > 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) > 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) > 302 East Chestnut Street > Yakima, WA 98901 > 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) > 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) > http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx > > Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) > 2107 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) > 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 > Bay City, MI 48708 > 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) > 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) > 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 > Saginaw, MI 48607 > 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) > 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) > dkildee@ > > Ronald James Kind (D-WI) > 1406 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) > 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 > La Crosse, WI 54601 > 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) > 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) > 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) > 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) > ron.kind@ > > Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) > 314 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) > 102 Turpins Lane > Centreville, MD 21617 > 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) > 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml > > Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) > 437 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) > 415 Main Street > Buena Vista, CO 81211 > 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) > 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) > 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 > Colorado Springs, CO 80920 > 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) > 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) > http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx > > Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) > 237 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-3006 > 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) > 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square > New Brunswick, NJ 08901 > 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) > 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) > 504 Broadway > Long Branch, NJ 07740 > 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) > 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml > > Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) > 1218 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) > 250 Calle Fortaleza Old > San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 > 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) > 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform. > shtml > > Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) > 2307 Rayburn House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) > 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 > Bluefield, WV 24701 > 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) > 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) > 301 Prince Street > Beckley, WV 25801 > 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) > 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) > http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%83%c2%82%c3%82%c2%a7io > ntree=9 > > Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) > 423 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) > https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform. > shtml > > Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) > 1330 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) > 33 Lowell Street > Manchester, NH 03101 > 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) > 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) > 104 Washington Street > Dover, NH 03820 > 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) > 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) > http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/ > webform/issue_subscribe.htm > > Robert J. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38923	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this pinpoints the species. Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything but a common name as they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground learning the basics, besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote scientific names but prefer to use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be catchy enough to sell the fish. In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are referring to; they are one and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for Paltydoras costatus and may be used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. Incidentally, PlanetCatfish is also wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you read), as P. armulatus obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. costatus. It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate information on any one of these groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you don't need to refer to a site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a blatent error on a fish that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with most any catfish, but I guess it shows we can't believe everything. Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears ScotCat is also wrong in saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks and crannies." Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped Raphael Catfish are said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as Cory's prefer -- I'm not that sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of their own species, I really can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each other, as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this to be the case at all; they both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a pattern with these web sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one that they deem accurate, changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the Searcher feels it to be authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of those web sites as there's no practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the difference between right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this fish be put in with much smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be opportunists when it comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all interested in animal matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial omnivore) for the most part. But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a rather large mouth) with much smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat points out as being safe would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal -- another possible error by ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a little more > research. > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name of Striped > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG with > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and cichlids. > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions this issue. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much more > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. costatus. > > ScotCat.com has http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a January > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says this... > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and crannies' > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and could do > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish such as the > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well with > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins which grow > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. costatus, > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat profile > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael Catfish > of either of the above species. > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. While > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as > Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at least in > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the benefit of the > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on it. But > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always read the > same stuff we do. > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here may > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's description > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an accurate > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket statement > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped Raphael > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not need the > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with each > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their own > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both > get along especially well together. They're most often found in the same > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as they're in > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be in this > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species (I > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's description is > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial towards other > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, but like > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be aggressive > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed > that at least at some point some individual of a species may display bad > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm which is a > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the > > Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to feed at > dusk." > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in > shoals/schools. > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash Hauling, > > Etc. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > catfish > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of > > hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it > > into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I > > probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38924	From: bill1433	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: nitrates off the hook

Hi nice6669 Len’s right on this, but being an old Oscar keeper from way back I can offer you one more important bit of advise. Your description did not state if this is a fully decorated tank with live plants (not good with Oscars) driftwood and the like. Keeping Oscars is the very same thing as being a “Vacuum Salesman”; you sweep all day. It does not matter how many times you vacuum an Oscars tank, its never enough. I would highly recommend, for your own sanity, that you remove all gravel. Cleaning a stripped tank is a breeze and it will keep Oscars mischief by uprooting things, to a minimum. If your water source is good, start changing water. 25% per day is fine. Do not change any filter media until after all your readings go to normal. This is very important because if you strip the tank, you will lose a small amount of the good nitrifying bacteria growing on the top layer of that gravel so that your power filter will now be the home of almost all of the nitrifying bacteria. At this point in time you really have no choice in all of this if you wish to keep these fish alive and healthy. But if these fish should “pair” on you while your not looking you could have serious problems. Oscars are usually very good parents and they will fight, to the death if necessary, defending their spawning site and fry. Good Luck, Bill --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] nitrates off the hook > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:45 PM > Five Oscars in a 125G is about three > or four too many, depending on the rest > of the bioload of the tank.  That is the reason your > nitrates are off the > charts.  You have WAY TOO MUCH of a bioload in the > tank.  > > You can temporarily help things out by doing daily 10% to > 25% PWC's (partial > water changes), proper filter maintenance and gravel > vacuuming every couple > of days.. no less than once a week... but until you get the > proper sized > bioload, you will constantly have health issues with your > fish and > ultimately, the Oscars will start to fight as they grow and > demand more > territory, until you only have one or two left > anyhow.  It's better to do > this before the fish start killing each other. > > I have a long article on my blog about "Filter Maintenance > And Cleaning" > which will go through the details of proper filter > maintenance and cleaning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of nice6669 > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] nitrates off the hook > > i have 125 with 5 oscars bought a test kit it tell me my > nitrates are off > the hook the oscars seem fine but i have lost 2 placosamis > and a tire trak > eel and allmost a shovell nose cat got him out tho he is > fine no have a > fluvul fx5 fillter and 2 big air pumps what do i do to get > nitrats rite  > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38925	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .

Only if the dog or cat in question has Rabies (LOL). You might get Rabid fish then, so don't put your hand in the water as you may get bitten (LOL). Actually, I really doubt an animal's (even such a carnivore) saliva could do any harm when it's so diluted. Our saliva has enzymes which start to break down starches into simple sugars before these foods reach the stomach for more complete digestion via acids. Dogs and cats, being meat eaters may have different enzymes in their saliva even if some of these still need to convert starch, but they will not dissolve the aquarium fish. The germs from dogs' or cats' mouths certainly do not pose a danger to fish any more than our own germs could, as mammals do not share the same pathogens, nor are mammals and fish susceptible to the same diseases (and fish can't get Staph infection). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > . . . will small amounts of dog and cat saliva hurt my goldfish? I left 5 gallons of Prime treated water next to the heater to warm up before doing a PWC. I normally put the bucket under a folding chair to keep nosey pets our, but this time I left it sitting on the trolley. It just figures the animals ran out of drinking water and nobody noticed so they drank out of the PWC bucket. I dumped it and will try again in the morning, but for future reference, would the saliva or the germs in it have done any damage? I know there's a bacteria (staph, I believe)in cat saliva that can kill rodents and birds in 2 to three days if it gets into a cut. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38926	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .

It probably won't harm the fish. I've seen many posts over the years where folks talk about how their dogs or cats will drink out of their tanks with no ill effects reported. I would think that the fish water, with the dechlor product added, would be worse for the dog/cat than the saliva to the fish. Of course, cats/dogs have been drinking out of puddles, ponds, lakes and rivers from the beginning of time, so I'm sure they've drank a lot worse than aquarium water in their time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . . . . . will small amounts of dog and cat saliva hurt my goldfish? I left 5 gallons of Prime treated water next to the heater to warm up before doing a PWC. I normally put the bucket under a folding chair to keep nosey pets our, but this time I left it sitting on the trolley. It just figures the animals ran out of drinking water and nobody noticed so they drank out of the PWC bucket. I dumped it and will try again in the morning, but for future reference, would the saliva or the germs in it have done any damage? I know there's a bacteria (staph, I believe)in cat saliva that can kill rodents and birds in 2 to three days if it gets into a cut. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38927	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

I have been studying the Barr method and expect to start that method soon. I'd have to agree about the subscription - I wish I got paid for my turtle/tortoise work, as well! Putting that aside I looked at a few Diane Walstead posts, interviews etc. . . Interesting to read what Barr says about her method and what she says about his. Aside from a few tablets and general plant supplement I've never dosed a tank. I am going to give it a whirl and I'll let you know how it works out. I'll take photo's on a regular intervals for a while just for documentation and reference. I just received the various ingredients for the Barr method. People have told me that it is expensive & frankly that is no where near true. Three to five dollars a pound does not sound expensive. I'll keep you posted & thanks for the info Lenny, your another great find - thanks Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) In reading this thread http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions that his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can learn her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. ;-) You can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there are links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html It seems that either work. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38928	From: o1bigtenor	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

On 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Sorry. I didn't mean to disparage that fine group with a similar acronym. > I'll be certain to put a little E from now on, when referring to the animal > killing group, PeTA... that just kills the animals and dumps their corpses > into dumpsters when some of them would make mighty fine eatin! ;-) I really don't think that very many of those PeTA people (?!?!?) would make fine eating - far too scrawny for that!! D Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > Lenny, > > > > I can understand why you don't like Washington bureaucrats, but what can > you > possibly have against PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals is a perfectly > fine > group, with a good cookbook. > > > > T > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:50 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > > > In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get > on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish > keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... > > "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other > parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued > and > signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." > > The article goes on further to say... > > "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number > and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and > destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less > than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all > intended imports." > > Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will > be more. > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 > > God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a > veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a > Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll > kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say > then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the > animals they "rescue". LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... > <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com <goldlenny%2540gmail.com>> ] > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM > To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ' > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > Troy, > > LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the > capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! > > To the group, > > Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR > 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also > links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could > severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let > them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be > against this bill. > > http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 > > Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair > & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We > know > the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good > thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the > unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. > I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real > food. > LOL > > I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition > against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, > etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the > petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to > contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR > 669. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > ] > On Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and > quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > ] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a > right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, > that's right... I DO! > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] > On Behalf Of joesbirds@... > <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com <joesbirds%2540aol.com>> <mailto: > joesbirds%40aol.com <joesbirds%2540aol.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All > Exotics > > Dora > > As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal > that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between > anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to > decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed > on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are > considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a > pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for > another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the > law as proposed. > > Joey > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38929	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

The one my parent's have is pretty docile and is rarely seen in the tank during the day. He has also never eaten another fish. I asked about them because I noticed in the 10 gallon at the LFS that they had the "talking catfish" in, they were all huddled in one corner, so I wasn't sure if they liked having more than 1 in a tank. Thanks Ray, Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. > While Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > least in some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > benefit of the experience with the fish in question is at a loss to > give advice on it. But you're absolutely right when stating that the > animals don't always read the same stuff we do. > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here > may not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > description of this species being territorial towards its own species > IS NOT an accurate statement in the least, especially when it appears > to be a blanket statement -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. > I'm keeping two Striped Raphael Catfish in the same tank now for 17 > years, and while they may not need the company of their own kind, > their extremely friendly association with each other dispells this > notion that they are territorial towards their own species. These two > Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but just like most > any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes criss-crossing > by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own food. There > is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both get > along especially well together. They're most often found in the same > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > they're in a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them > to be in this size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species > (I cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > description is certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be > territorial towards other catfish species, and again perhaps not -- > that remains to be seen, but like any other fish (and that includes > most), only maybe can they be aggressive towards other fish but I've > never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've had this species. But > again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed that at least at > some point some individual of a species may display bad behavior > although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > mongabay - > > brought up this link... > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> which is > a list > > of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the Mongabay > > profile/care sheet. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > display of > > pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a community tank with > > fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this size may be eaten. > It often > > hides during the day, and comes out to feed at dusk." > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have > their > > own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in > shoals/schools. > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware of > > that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same stuff > > that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And > watch out > > for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@... > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 > > Handyman Services, Lawn & Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General > > Cleaning & Trash Hauling, Etc. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their > own kind > > or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the > tank? The > > LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of them as > well as > > the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail catfish > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a > partner > > or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of hiding > places for > > it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it into the 125 gallon > tank ;) > > I also know it's nocturnal too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to battle algae more than normal ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website > where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > membership for > $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free > but I > have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I > just > wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) > > In reading this thread > http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions that > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can learn > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > ;-) You > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there are > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > It seems that either work. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > Regards, > > red-eye > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38931	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

LOL, bad Lenny ;) I certainly hope that wasn't the "talking catfish" that I bought ;) hehe. They only had it labeled "talking catfish" unfortunately. But when I asked which kind they get she pointed out the striped raphael catfish (that was what it was named in her order list), and it had a picture of a catfish with a white stripe along its side and mostly brown elsewhere. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > little more > research. > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name of > Striped > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG with > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and cichlids. > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions this issue. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much more > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. costatus. > > ScotCat.com has > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a January > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says this... > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > crannies' > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > could do > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish such > as the > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well with > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins which grow > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > costatus, > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat profile > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael Catfish > of either of the above species. > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/> > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. > While > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as > Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at least in > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the benefit > of the > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on > it. But > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > read the > same stuff we do. > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here may > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > description > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an > accurate > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > statement > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped > Raphael > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not need the > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with each > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their own > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both > get along especially well together. They're most often found in the same > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > they're in > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be in this > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species (I > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > description is > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial towards > other > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, but > like > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be aggressive > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed > that at least at some point some individual of a species may display bad > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> which is a > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the > > Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to > feed at > dusk." > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in > shoals/schools. > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@... > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash Hauling, > > Etc. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > catfish > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of > > hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it > > into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I > > probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38932	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .

Ok, thanks, Ray. Next time it happens I'll just go ahead and use the water. Now that I think about it, the cats have probably been dipping their paws in the aquarium through the cutouts, anyway. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> Only if the dog or cat in question has Rabies (LOL). You might get Rabid fish then, so don't put your hand in the water as you may get bitten (LOL). Actually, I really doubt an animal's (even such a carnivore) saliva could do any harm when it's so diluted. Our saliva has enzymes which start to break down starches into simple sugars before these foods reach the stomach for more complete digestion via acids. Dogs and cats, being meat eaters may have different enzymes in their saliva even if some of these still need to convert starch, but they will not dissolve the aquarium fish. The germs from dogs' or cats' mouths certainly do not pose a danger to fish any more than our own germs could, as mammals do not share the same pathogens, nor are mammals and fish susceptible to the same diseases (and fish can't get Staph infection). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Menagerie_Manager" <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > > . . . will small amounts of dog and cat saliva hurt my goldfish? I left 5 > gallons of Prime treated water next to the heater to warm up before doing > a PWC. I normally put the bucket under a folding chair to keep nosey pets > our, but this time I left it sitting on the trolley. It just figures the > animals ran out of drinking water and nobody noticed so they drank out of > the PWC bucket. I dumped it and will try again in the morning, but for > future reference, would the saliva or the germs in it have done any > damage? I know there's a bacteria (staph, I believe)in cat saliva that > can kill rodents and birds in 2 to three days if it gets into a cut. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38933	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Maybe this is a stupid question, but . . .

Thanks, Lenny. After I sent that message, I did kind of stop and wonder what the Prime treated water might do to the animals. They don't seem any worse off for it, though. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> It probably won't harm the fish. I've seen many posts over the years where folks talk about how their dogs or cats will drink out of their tanks with no ill effects reported. I would think that the fish water, with the dechlor product added, would be worse for the dog/cat than the saliva to the fish. Of course, cats/dogs have been drinking out of puddles, ponds, lakes and rivers from the beginning of time, so I'm sure they've drank a lot worse than aquarium water in their time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager . . . will small amounts of dog and cat saliva hurt my goldfish? I left 5 gallons of Prime treated water next to the heater to warm up before doing a PWC. I normally put the bucket under a folding chair to keep nosey pets our, but this time I left it sitting on the trolley. It just figures the animals ran out of drinking water and nobody noticed so they drank out of the PWC bucket. I dumped it and will try again in the morning, but for future reference, would the saliva or the germs in it have done any damage? I know there's a bacteria (staph, I believe)in cat saliva that can kill rodents and birds in 2 to three days if it gets into a cut. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38934	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: about lights

when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38935	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Doctor fish

My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does someone out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead skin off of your feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a severum, from what it looks like. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38936	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

Do you have live plants in the tank? Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as it's the same size, fluorescent bulbs are fairly interchangeable. If you have live plants you will want to look for a bulb that says it's made/designed for plants. Or your plants may start to suffer if they don't get enough light, or an improper spectrum (such as mostly green light). Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same > wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium > use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use > a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38937	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

at the moment no. I plan on putting some in there. soon as I can though. I think I will get one that says for plants as I will need some for my 10 gal since I have plants in there Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about lights Do you have live plants in the tank? Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as it's the same size, fluorescent bulbs are fairly interchangeable. If you have live plants you will want to look for a bulb that says it's made/designed for plants. Or your plants may start to suffer if they don't get enough light, or an improper spectrum (such as mostly green light). Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same > wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium > use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use > a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38938	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Thanks Lenny, my tank is acutally due for its weekly PWC and cleaning, gravel vaccum, etc. I will test my water tonight before I do my maintenance. As tempted as I am to do a huge water change, I will refrain - thanks for using all CAPS on that one ; )   so I will give you some additional info tonight, however I did check out the Hemorrhagic Septicemia - and it could be that, but he isn't belly up. And it seems like the illness is occuring in the fish that I have had the longest. I may have to find a place to restore my old 10 gallon setup so I can break up my overcrowding on my 55 gallon.   thanks again! I will write again tonight with more details.   <3 Gail   --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:13 PM What size tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. The fins with red streaks can be due to nitrogenous waste poisoning (ammonia, high nitrates) but is also an early warning sign of possibly being Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which is due to an internal bacteria infection. Melafix, while OK for minor things, is not going to help much with more serious things by itself. It will also not help if there are water quality issues. Remember that water quality issues are the number one cause of fish getting sick. Overstocking, having fish in undersized tanks, incompatible fish, etc., will also cause stress issues in fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems will falter, causing one or more fish to get sick. Start by doing proper filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming and daily 10-25% PWC's (partial water changes) to drastically (but slowly) improve water quality. DO NOT DO a large water change. If water quality is a problem, doing a large water change could cause as many problems as it might be trying to help. The only time one should do a large water change is in the event of a contamination of some kind of poison or toxin (cleaning supplies, air freshener, etc.). Give us the info to the questions asked above and tell us more about your overall tank maintenance schedule and we can give better advice. Remember, just because one fish is showing signs of illness does not mean all is good. A fish with a weaker immune system will always start to show signs earlier than other fish with stronger immune systems. Of course, all could be great and a single fish with a weak immune system will get sick and there may not be much you can do about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38939	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

I use either the daylight or cool white tubes. The bulbs that say aquarium are too pinkish colored for me but I guess it depends on the brand. I get mine at the local Wal-Mart SuperCenter. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] about lights when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38940	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

I should have added that all of my plants are low-light, easy-to-grow plants so lighting isn't as critical. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about lights Do you have live plants in the tank? Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as it's the same size, fluorescent bulbs are fairly interchangeable. If you have live plants you will want to look for a bulb that says it's made/designed for plants. Or your plants may start to suffer if they don't get enough light, or an improper spectrum (such as mostly green light). Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same > wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium > use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use > a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38941	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low light accompanied by natural sunlight. Am I missing something Amber – I really appreciate your reply – thanks Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to battle algae more than normal ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website > where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > membership for > $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free > but I > have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I > just > wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) > > In reading this thread > http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions that > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can learn > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > ;-) You > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there are > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > It seems that either work. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38942	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

I'm not sure what you mean by "belly up". Fish with septicemia do not float upside down and they do not always die. Remember, in the future and for any others reading this... the first thing one should do when their fish are not acting right or getting sick is test the water. Water quality issues, often caused by overstocking issues, is probably the number one reason for fish health problems in our aquariums. If the fish are acting sick, test the water, start doing daily 25% PWC's, do some tank maintenance, etc. The fresh clean water will go a LONG way towards helping your fishes immune system get stronger so the fish can fight off things on it's own, often without the need for medications. Keeping the tank in good condition all the time will prevent most things. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Thanks Lenny, my tank is acutally due for its weekly PWC and cleaning, gravel vaccum, etc. I will test my water tonight before I do my maintenance. As tempted as I am to do a huge water change, I will refrain - thanks for using all CAPS on that one ; )   so I will give you some additional info tonight, however I did check out the Hemorrhagic Septicemia - and it could be that, but he isn't belly up. And it seems like the illness is occuring in the fish that I have had the longest. I may have to find a place to restore my old 10 gallon setup so I can break up my overcrowding on my 55 gallon.   thanks again! I will write again tonight with more details.   <3 Gail   --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:13 PM What size tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. The fins with red streaks can be due to nitrogenous waste poisoning (ammonia, high nitrates) but is also an early warning sign of possibly being Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which is due to an internal bacteria infection. Melafix, while OK for minor things, is not going to help much with more serious things by itself. It will also not help if there are water quality issues. Remember that water quality issues are the number one cause of fish getting sick. Overstocking, having fish in undersized tanks, incompatible fish, etc., will also cause stress issues in fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems will falter, causing one or more fish to get sick. Start by doing proper filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming and daily 10-25% PWC's (partial water changes) to drastically (but slowly) improve water quality. DO NOT DO a large water change. If water quality is a problem, doing a large water change could cause as many problems as it might be trying to help. The only time one should do a large water change is in the event of a contamination of some kind of poison or toxin (cleaning supplies, air freshener, etc.). Give us the info to the questions asked above and tell us more about your overall tank maintenance schedule and we can give better advice. Remember, just because one fish is showing signs of illness does not mean all is good. A fish with a weaker immune system will always start to show signs earlier than other fish with stronger immune systems. Of course, all could be great and a single fish with a weak immune system will get sick and there may not be much you can do about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas for dead skin eaters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and breed in the outdoor pools of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with psoriasis." Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow and the other looking more like a carp. http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 (14cm = around 6") http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water after each spa treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does someone out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead skin off of your feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a severum, from what it looks like. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38944	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about Otocinclus sp

Make sure you remove all fauna from the rocks. I keep them growing in aquarium water in plastic dishes outside. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp well I do weekly pwc and that keeps the water pretty clean. I added some fern plants today. got another replacement Otto put a slice of zucchini in for the 2 I have to eat. plus algae wafers as that is all I have at the moment. I plan on seeing if I can get some algae covered rocks from the lake near by. might just keep them in the lake water and alternate every so often. The ferns both require moderate light. Between the light on the hood, the lights kept on in the living room and coming in from the windows that should do for the light requirements Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp Otos are a challenge. They often die soon through no fault of yours. I'm trying to get some of them going. I have two that seem OK. From the three I bought two weeks ago, one still lives. They need PERFECTLY clean water; I often find them dead when I didn't clean the tank for a day. Feeding them is another challenge. They will only eat algae and some cooked vegetation. Tehy get stones from the local creek, spinach, zucchini, and bits of algae sheet. You have to guard against the food disintegratingin the water. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] about Otocinclus sp the one? Ihave left, 2 have died getting replacements tomorrow, seems a bit stressed. How best to calm him down? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38945	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Amber, Remember that you were rushed into your Walstad set-up so you weren't able to let the soil air out for a few days to possibly outgas any excess nitrogen compounds. That could why you are having a little more of an algae problem. There's no turning back now, at least not an easy turn around so we'll never know. I'm going to try the Walstad method if/when I ever set up another new tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low light accompanied by natural sunlight. Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to battle algae more than normal ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums > that are free but I have nothing against someone trying to sell their > knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of nickels for > mine. ;-) > > In reading this thread > http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions > that his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you > can learn her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > ;-) You > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there > are links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > It seems that either work. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > Regards, > > red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38946	From: William	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

There are a few different kinds of fish being used to "clean" dead skin off of peoples feet. The "real" do not have teeth on the lips and do not take as much as the cichlids do that you have seen. Also there is the cost of the fish. The 'real" doctor fish will cost many times as much to buy whereas the tilapia will be much cheaper and easier to breed so they are the ones used more often.I think that if the water were filtered well and then put through an ultraviolet light it would sterilize the water enough so that the possibility of transmitting any diseases to another person or species would be very minimal. ------In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they are > bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does > someone out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used > in spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > skin off of your feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, > LOL. I also wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all > the time ;) > I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a severum, > from what it looks like. > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38947	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

I may give it a shot on a 40 gallon tank. I'll let you know if I do. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Amber, Remember that you were rushed into your Walstad set-up so you weren't able to let the soil air out for a few days to possibly outgas any excess nitrogen compounds. That could why you are having a little more of an algae problem. There's no turning back now, at least not an easy turn around so we'll never know. I'm going to try the Walstad method if/when I ever set up another new tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low light accompanied by natural sunlight. Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to battle algae more than normal ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums > that are free but I have nothing against someone trying to sell their > knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of nickels for > mine. ;-) > > In reading this thread > http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions > that his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you > can learn her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > ;-) You > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there > are links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > It seems that either work. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > Regards, > > red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38948	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the soil has something to do with it. The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants to oxygenate the water for the fish. Amber red-eye wrote: > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her > method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. > She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low > light accompanied by natural sunlight. > > Am I missing something Amber – I really appreciate your reply – thanks > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than > algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to > battle algae more than normal ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website > > where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > > membership for > > $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free > > but I > > have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I > > just > > wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) > > > > In reading this thread > > http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > > <http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even > mentions that > > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can > learn > > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > > ;-) You > > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then > there are > > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > > > It seems that either work. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of red-eye > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38949	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, was two hands-full though ;) LOL. I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the tank. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas for > dead > skin eaters. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa and > Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, kangal fish, > little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical contexts, Garra > rufa > is called the reddish log sucker. They live and breed in the outdoor pools > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > psoriasis." > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they are > both > from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow and the other > looking more like a carp. > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> (14cm = > around > 6") > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin> > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish spas. At > first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water after each spa > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears of > some > bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they are > bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does someone > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > spas that > people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead skin off of your > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > wonder how > they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time ;) I saw a > picture > of one and they get to about the same size as a severum, from what it > looks > like. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38950	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Very correct, I was only able to let it air out for a day instead of a few days. So I'm sure it's putting out excess nitrates in the tank, which is why I'm doing more water changes to keep them lower. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Amber, > > Remember that you were rushed into your Walstad set-up so you weren't able > to let the soil air out for a few days to possibly outgas any excess > nitrogen compounds. That could why you are having a little more of an > algae > problem. There's no turning back now, at least not an easy turn around so > we'll never know. I'm going to try the Walstad method if/when I ever > set up > another new tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her > method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. > She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low > light accompanied by natural sunlight. > > Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than > algae, I > like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to battle algae > more than normal ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his > > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > > membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums > > that are free but I have nothing against someone trying to sell their > > knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of nickels for > > mine. ;-) > > > > In reading this thread > > http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > > <http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even mentions > > that his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you > > can learn her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for > free. > > ;-) You > > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then there > > are links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > > > It seems that either work. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38951	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, was > two hands-full though ;) LOL. > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > tank. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas for > > dead > > skin eaters. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa and > > Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, kangal fish, > > little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical contexts, Garra > > rufa > > is called the reddish log sucker. They live and breed in the outdoor > pools > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > psoriasis." > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they are > > both > > from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow and the other > > looking more like a carp. > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> (14cm = > > around > > 6") > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=Cyprin>> > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish spas. At > > first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water after > each spa > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears of > > some > > bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they are > > bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does > someone > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > spas that > > people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead skin off of > your > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > wonder how > > they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time ;) I saw a > > picture > > of one and they get to about the same size as a severum, from what it > > looks > > like. > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38952	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

I have successfully tried Diana Walstad method with great success. However, I was not keeping low light and I had a Metal Halide over it and it used to get direct sun for a couple of hours. The only plants that melted for me were some crypts but apart from that things grew mad and I got no algae without any CO2 addition. I however tried the method on a bigger tank with more delicate plants like myriophyllum and lillaeopsis that eventually became algae magnets but once excluded the system worked very well and if I were to have another planted FW tank in the future, I would follow the same footsteps :) Nim -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 07 April 2009 19:48 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the soil has something to do with it. The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants to oxygenate the water for the fish. Amber red-eye wrote: > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her > method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. > She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low > light accompanied by natural sunlight. > > Am I missing something Amber – I really appreciate your reply – thanks > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than > algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to > battle algae more than normal ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website > > where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial > > membership for > > $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free > > but I > > have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I > > just > > wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) > > > > In reading this thread > > http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > > <http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even > mentions that > > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can > learn > > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > > ;-) You > > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then > there are > > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > > > It seems that either work. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of red-eye > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38953	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying (and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be contributing to the algae. Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to get things back in balance. I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been posting in Diana's forum http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read that there must be balance. If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out here before. I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the soil has something to do with it. The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants to oxygenate the water for the fish. Amber red-eye wrote: > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically > her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. > She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with > low light accompanied by natural sunlight. > > Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than > algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to > battle algae more than normal ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read > > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his > > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a > > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites > > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying > > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of > > nickels for mine. ;-) > > > > In reading this thread > > http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > rr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > rr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth > > <http://www.plantedt > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > rr-met > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > rr-met> > h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even > mentions that > > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can > learn > > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. > > ;-) You > > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then > there are > > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... > > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > > > It seems that either work. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38954	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

Perhaps I need different plants. My anubias grow algae since they are slow growing. Any certain medium light requirement plants that you might suggest? My LFS has terrible selection and plant lables but I can try to find some faster growing plants that aren't delecate or easy to destroy ;) hehe. Amber Nimish Mathur <nimmat4@...> wrote: >I have successfully tried Diana Walstad method with great success. However, >I was not keeping low light and I had a Metal Halide over it and it used to >get direct sun for a couple of hours. The only plants that melted for me >were some crypts but apart from that things grew mad and I got no algae >without any CO2 addition. I however tried the method on a bigger tank with >more delicate plants like myriophyllum and lillaeopsis that eventually >became algae magnets but once excluded the system worked very well and if I >were to have another planted FW tank in the future, I would follow the same >footsteps :) > >Nim > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: 07 April 2009 19:48 >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got >melted when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to >wait for them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way >out of control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my >whole tank with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe >that is on my plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes >every day this week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my >little plants can get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my >nitrates down close to zero that it will help get rid of the black beard >algae. Apparently black beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS >has it in all of their tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the >walstad tank, so I think the soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the >plants to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically her >> method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with low >> light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber – I really appreciate your reply – thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his website >> > where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a trial >> > membership for >> > $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites and forums that are free >> > but I >> > have nothing against someone trying to sell their knowledge/service. I >> > just >> > wish I could get a couple of nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> ><http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > >> ><http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met >> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> ><http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met > >> ><http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-met >> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > >------------------------------------ > >Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > >If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you >can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the >home page. > >Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which >includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > >Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where >you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > >Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual >e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

That doesn't sound like the "doctor fish" that have been in the news lately. See the pics on the Fishbase links. Try to get your LFS to look up scientific names of the fish they are ordering. Of course, the distributor, whomever they buy from, could be lying to them in what they are selling them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, was two hands-full though ;) LOL. I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the tank. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas for > dead skin eaters. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa and > Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, kangal > fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical contexts, > Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and breed in > the outdoor pools of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of > patients with psoriasis." > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they are > both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow and > the other looking more like a carp. > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> (14cm = > around > 6") > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin> ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish spas. > At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water after > each spa treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or does > someone out there know more about these fish? I know that they are > used in spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the > dead skin off of your feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the > fish, LOL. I also wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't > die all the time ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the > same size as a severum, from what it looks like. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38956	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in Alaska heh. I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles in the tank too? Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38957	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

That link shows references to the Garra rufa on the right side but that picture doesn't look like Garra rufa. A Google Image search of garra rufa came up with lots of images and they do not look like the fish in the picture in that link you provided. You'll see, if you look close enough, that these fish actually have barbs (whiskers) like many fish in the Carp family... and a completely different body type from the link you provided. http://www.luskiewnik.gower.pl/garra3.jpg http://www.israquarium.co.il/FishPhoto/Garra%20rufa.jpg http://www.garrarufa-indonesia.com/images/garra-rufa.jpg http://img.alibaba.com/photo/100640236/Turkey_Garra_Rufa_Doctor_Fish_.jpg Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > tank. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical > > contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and > > breed in the outdoor > pools > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > psoriasis." > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow > > and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> (14cm = > > around > > 6") > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin>> > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water > > after > each spa > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears > > of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or > > does > someone > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > skin off of > your > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38958	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/garra-sp ecies Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > tank. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical > > contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and > > breed in the outdoor > pools > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > psoriasis." > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow > > and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> (14cm = > > around > > 6") > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin>> > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water > > after > each spa > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears > > of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or > > does > someone > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > skin off of > your > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38959	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Darn.. one last thing I just thought about. See the red tailed Garra gotlya, the third photo down. I wonder if your LFS bought a bunch of fish from the Garra family and your "redtail catfish" is actually this fish? This fish do have barbs like a catfish although barbs are much shorter than typical BIG catfish whiskers. I do not believe they have the typical wide horizontal mouth like BIG catfish either so if your red tail catfish does have the wide horizontal mouth, then it's probably not one of these Garra fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > tank. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical > > contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and > > breed in the outdoor > pools > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > psoriasis." > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow > > and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> (14cm = > > around > > 6") > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > =Cyprin>> > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water > > after > each spa > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears > > of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or > > does > someone > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > skin off of > your > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38960	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: aptasisas and hair alage

help i am trying to get rid of the pests glass anominess and hair algae but nothing seems to work I have tried pepermint shrimp , and a sea hare but the animals are not doing the job please advise

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38961	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish listed as their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish labeled "doctor fish". http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and here is > their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the Garra rufa, as > the 6th photo down on the page. > > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/garra-sp > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/garra-sp> > ecies > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > > tank. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical > > > contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and > > > breed in the outdoor > > pools > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > > psoriasis." > > > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow > > > and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> (14cm = > > > around > > > 6") > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > > Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin> > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin>> > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water > > > after > > each spa > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears > > > of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > > > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or > > > does > > someone > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > > skin off of > > your > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38962	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Nope, comparing pictures, I definitely have a Red tailed catfish, shown on this page. http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/redtailcatfish.html Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Darn.. one last thing I just thought about. See the red tailed Garra > gotlya, the third photo down. I wonder if your LFS bought a bunch of fish > from the Garra family and your "redtail catfish" is actually this fish? > This fish do have barbs like a catfish although barbs are much shorter > than > typical BIG catfish whiskers. I do not believe they have the typical wide > horizontal mouth like BIG catfish either so if your red tail catfish does > have the wide horizontal mouth, then it's probably not one of these Garra > fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did a > > lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in the > > tank. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical > > > contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and > > > breed in the outdoor > > pools > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > > psoriasis." > > > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big minnow > > > and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> (14cm = > > > around > > > 6") > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > > Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin> > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > =Cyprin>> > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the water > > > after > > each spa > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health fears > > > of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that they > > > are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct or > > > does > > someone > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > > skin off of > > your > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the time > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38963	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Barr's method

Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping them on for 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38964	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 watts of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a higher percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your bulbs compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do not recall a 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you don't have enough plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until you can get a lot more plants to make your tank at least medium planted... but heavily planted is best for Walstad tanks... I would cut back the lighting time period substantially. When you do this, also scrape off the majority of the algae off the glass, at least the front panel and two sides. This way, the plants will start to get more CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the algae is using up a lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially starving your plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so you'll have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change the ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things such as lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of nutrients. Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number representing the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener either so I do not know this for certain but it seems to be in my head for a reason... from something I've read over the years. I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: 0.048%) Available Phosphate: 0.12% Soluable Potash: 0.08% Other Ingredients: 99.72% While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a phosphate test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate level in your tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come from a reservoir? I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water is known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the winter and early spring, before the plant life takes off again and starts using up the nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs can have high nutrient levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the Mississippi River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and storm run-off in our water... so please watch what y'all eat up there since we have to drink your flushed toilet water down here.... mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in Alaska heh. I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles in the tank too? Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38965	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture like their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more like some kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the background. I would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor Fish". Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. Email : li13060652663@... Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish listed as their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish labeled "doctor fish". http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. > > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > rra-sp > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > arra-sp> > ecies > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in > > the tank. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in > > > non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. > > > They live and breed in the outdoor > > pools > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > > psoriasis." > > > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big > > > minnow and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> (14cm > = > > > around > > > 6") > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > => > > Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > > > > =Cyprin> > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > > > > =Cyprin > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > > > > =Cyprin>> > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the > > > water after > > each spa > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct > > > or does > > someone > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > > skin off of > > your > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the > > > time > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38966	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

Okay I will cut the lighting down a bit, how far do you think? Is 8 hours still too much? I keep the front and side panel's fairly well scraped off each week too. I don't have a phosphate test kit, and doubt that my LFS has one, but will check later this week. Our water is from a reservoir, but most of our vegetation doesn't die off in the winter, except small plant life, we have a lot of year round trees (temperate rainforest). But I can see how that could affect my water. My soil only had nitrogen added with worm castings (which is supposedly slow release but I don't know how that applies to a fish tank instead of a normal pot, hehe). I will double check the bag though. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 > watts > of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a higher > percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your bulbs > compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do not recall a > 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you don't have enough > plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until you can get a lot > more > plants to make your tank at least medium planted... but heavily planted is > best for Walstad tanks... I would cut back the lighting time period > substantially. When you do this, also scrape off the majority of the algae > off the glass, at least the front panel and two sides. This way, the > plants > will start to get more CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the > algae is using up a lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially > starving your plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so > you'll have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level > until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change the > ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things such as > lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of nutrients. > Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is > releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it > probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. > > Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number > representing > the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener either so I do not > know > this for certain but it seems to be in my head for a reason... from > something I've read over the years. > > I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. > http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 > <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> > You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: > Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 > Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: > 0.048%) > Available Phosphate: 0.12% > Soluable Potash: 0.08% > Other Ingredients: 99.72% > > While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a phosphate > test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate level in your > tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come from a reservoir? > I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water is > known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the winter and > early spring, before the plant life takes off again and starts using > up the > nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs can have high nutrient > levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. > > Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the Mississippi > River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and storm run-off > in our > water... so please watch what y'all eat up there since we have to > drink your > flushed toilet water down here.... mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just starting to > do more water changes this week as another option. My fish store is out of > plants right now too. They should get more in later this week. Its hard to > fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from the fish store LOL. Wish > they > had bigger tanks at least for the plant tank hehe. I do want to get some > more easy to grow plants though. My lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of > them are > 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank > also gets > about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in Alaska heh. > I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of > the HOB > filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles in the tank > too? > > Amber > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> In reading what you are > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > some of > what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > becoming > a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the > beginning > because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of > planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > you've been > >posting in Diana's forum > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> but from > what I've > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > to be > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > read > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially > considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You > didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also > simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve > the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm > not sure > if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some > thoughts > that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye > could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >(Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem > was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank > (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the > meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not > sure how > to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and > I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been > doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my > nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm > hoping > that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid > of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very > prevalent in > town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > with it. > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > plants > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> > her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > Regards, >> > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom > Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > downstairs. > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared > to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, > although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a > Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his > site for > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT > websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone > trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a > couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > > http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > <http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you > can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted > forum > for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of > her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all > about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > Month) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom > Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush > aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38967	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more info ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture like > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more like some > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the background. I > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor Fish". > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish > listed as > their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish > labeled > "doctor fish". > > http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a > > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and > > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the > > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > > rra-sp > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > > arra-sp> > > ecies > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did > > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in > > > the tank. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > > > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in > > > > non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. > > > > They live and breed in the outdoor > > > pools > > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > > > psoriasis." > > > > > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big > > > > minnow and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>> (14cm > > = > > > > around > > > > 6") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > => > > > Cyprin > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > > > > =Cyprin> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > > > > =Cyprin > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > > > > =Cyprin>> > > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the > > > > water after > > > each spa > > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that > > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct > > > > or does > > > someone > > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > > > skin off of > > > your > > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the > > > > time > > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38968	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

The 10 gal has them and will be getting some for 30 gal soon Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 1:05 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] about lights I should have added that all of my plants are low-light, easy-to-grow plants so lighting isn't as critical. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] about lights Do you have live plants in the tank? Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as it's the same size, fluorescent bulbs are fairly interchangeable. If you have live plants you will want to look for a bulb that says it's made/designed for plants. Or your plants may start to suffer if they don't get enough light, or an improper spectrum (such as mostly green light). Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same > wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium > use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use > a regular bulb as long as its same wa ttage and length of course > > Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links (Yahoo! ID required) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38969	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Somewhat down on this site. http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, and the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more later. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > info ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > like > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > like some > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > background. I > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > Fish". > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish > > listed as > > their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish > > labeled > > "doctor fish". > > > > http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>> > > Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a > > > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and > > > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the > > > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>> > > > rra-sp > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>> > > > arra-sp> > > > ecies > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > > > > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking lips > > > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, > > > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did > > > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them in > > > > the tank. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas > > > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa > > > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > > > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in > > > > > non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. > > > > > They live and breed in the outdoor > > > > pools > > > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with > > > > > psoriasis." > > > > > > > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they > > > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big > > > > > minnow and the other looking more like a carp. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>> > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>>> (14cm > > > = > > > > > around > > > > > 6") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=>> > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > => > > > > Cyprin > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > > > =Cyprin> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > > > =Cyprin > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > > > > > > > > =Cyprin>> > > > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > > > > > > > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > > > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the > > > > > water after > > > > each spa > > > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > > > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that > > > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I correct > > > > > or does > > > > someone > > > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used in > > > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the dead > > > > > skin off of > > > > your > > > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the > > > > > time > > > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same size as a > > > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38970	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Yes, after looking at pictures of Tilapia on google images, I believe my LFS has some of them in stock. They look aggressive and big... Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Somewhat down on this site. > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, and > the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of > tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not > the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more > later. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > > that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > > will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > > info ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > > like > > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > > like some > > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > > background. I > > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > > Fish". > > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish > > > listed as > > > their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish > > > labeled > > > "doctor fish". > > > > > > http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>>> > > > Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a > > > > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and > > > > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the > > > > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>>> > > > > rra-sp > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>> > > > > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > > > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>>> > > > > arra-sp> > > > > ecies > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > > > > > > > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>> > > > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>>> > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > > > > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid > looking lips > > > > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that > > > > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe > bigger, > > > > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > > > > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, > they did > > > > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching > them in > > > > > the tank. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the > Turkish spas > > > > > > for dead skin eaters. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>> > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra > rufa > > > > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. 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At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the > > > > > > water after > > > > > each spa > > > > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > > > > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > > > > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that > > > > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I > correct > > > > > > or does > > > > > someone > > > > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are > used in > > > > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" > the dead > > > > > > skin off of > > > > > your > > > > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I also > > > > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the > > > > > > time > > > > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same > size as a > > > > > > severum, from what it looks like. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38971	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... possibly even less. Read on. Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and a tank ecology that requires 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting with the kind of intense lighting that you have. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping them on for 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38972	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

While much of your terrestrial vegetation may live through the winter, do your lakes/reservoirs assume freezing or extremely cold temps? If yes, then these extremely cold waters will usually not support much plant life. I could be wrong and possibly the aquatic plants up there have acclimated to living through the winter with minimal sunlight... it's doubtful though. I talked about the lighting issue in my reply that I sent a minute or so ago. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method Okay I will cut the lighting down a bit, how far do you think? Is 8 hours still too much? I keep the front and side panel's fairly well scraped off each week too. I don't have a phosphate test kit, and doubt that my LFS has one, but will check later this week. Our water is from a reservoir, but most of our vegetation doesn't die off in the winter, except small plant life, we have a lot of year round trees (temperate rainforest). But I can see how that could affect my water. My soil only had nitrogen added with worm castings (which is supposedly slow release but I don't know how that applies to a fish tank instead of a normal pot, hehe). I will double check the bag though. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 > watts of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a > higher percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your > bulbs compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do > not recall a 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you > don't have enough plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until > you can get a lot more plants to make your tank at least medium > planted... but heavily planted is best for Walstad tanks... I would > cut back the lighting time period substantially. When you do this, > also scrape off the majority of the algae off the glass, at least the > front panel and two sides. This way, the plants will start to get more > CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the algae is using up a > lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially starving your > plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so you'll > have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level > until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change > the ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things > such as lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of nutrients. > Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is > releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it > probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. > > Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number > representing the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener > either so I do not know this for certain but it seems to be in my head > for a reason... from something I've read over the years. > > I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. > http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 > <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> > You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: > Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 > Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: > 0.048%) > Available Phosphate: 0.12% > Soluable Potash: 0.08% > Other Ingredients: 99.72% > > While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a > phosphate test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate > level in your tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come from a reservoir? > I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water > is known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the > winter and early spring, before the plant life takes off again and > starts using up the nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs > can have high nutrient levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. > > Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the > Mississippi River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and > storm run-off in our water... so please watch what y'all eat up there > since we have to drink your flushed toilet water down here.... > mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just > starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish > store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later > this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from > the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant > tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My > lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are > 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank > also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in > Alaska heh. > I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of > the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles > in the tank too? > > Amber > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> In reading what you are > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method > and could be > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in > the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the > unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > things back in balance. > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > you've been > >posting in Diana's forum > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> but from > what I've > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > to be > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > read > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients > >and > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in > your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was > re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of > this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >(Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to > my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, > now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > with it. > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > plants > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > balancing > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > >fish, > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > Regards, >> > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > downstairs. > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership > to his site for > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > <http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > mentions > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and > you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own > hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's > Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her > hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > Month) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for > lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38973	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

So... does the joke go something like this... What do you call a fish with two really BIG lips? Chin-chin! LOL (I know, only the bottom lip could be considered a chin but it's the thought that counts. LOL) Here's a short article comparing the Garra rufa and the Chin-Chin. http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish Here's an MFK thread on them with a GOOD picture. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 This article has the scientific name for the Chin-Chin as Tilapia tilapia, which doesn't sound right but I'm still checking for a real scientific name. http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php Wiki shows them from the Cichlidae family. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia Family: Cichlidae Subfamily: Pseudocrenilabrinae Tribe: Tilapiini Genera: Oreochromis (about 30 species) Sarotherodon (over 10 species) Tilapia (about 40 species) I'm still not sure of the exact scientific name of the Chin-Chin. Nothing found on Fishbase or Mongabay and Google keeps coming up with the various spa articles. I did find a Black Chin Tilapia which led to my lame joke above. LOL http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 247 It's actually a pretty nice looking fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish Somewhat down on this site. http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, and the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more later. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > info ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > like > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > like some > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > background. I > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > Fish". > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38974	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Tilapia with teeth? I just came in on this thread. I don't actually know what you're talking about. But it seems like any given genus of fish either has teeth or does not. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > Somewhat down on this site. > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, and > the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of > tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not > the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more > later. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> >> I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar >> that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I >> will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more >> info ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > >> > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture >> like >> > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more >> like some >> > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the >> background. I >> > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor >> Fish". >> > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. >> > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> >> <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> Month) >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish >> > >> > The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish >> > listed as >> > their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish >> > labeled >> > "doctor fish". >> > >> > http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>> >> > Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > >> > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and saw a >> > > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and >> > > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the >> > > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> >> > >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>> >> > > rra-sp >> > > >> > >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> >> > >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g >> <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>> >> > > arra-sp> >> > > ecies >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in >> > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM >> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish >> > > >> > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's >> > > >> > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> >> > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> >> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> >> > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>> >> > > >> > > Amber >> > > >> > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> > > > >> > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands >> > > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking >> > > > lips >> > > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" that >> > > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe bigger, >> > > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. >> > > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, they did >> > > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching them >> > > > in >> > > > the tank. >> > > > >> > > > Amber >> > > > >> > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish >> > > > > spas >> > > > > for dead skin eaters. >> > > > > >> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> >> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> >> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> >> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa >> > > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, >> > > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in >> > > > > non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log >> > > > > sucker. >> > > > > They live and breed in the outdoor >> > > > pools >> > > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients >> > > > > with >> > > > > psoriasis." >> > > > > >> > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... >> > > > > they >> > > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big >> > > > > minnow and the other looking more like a carp. >> > > > > >> > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> >> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>> >> > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> >> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>>> (14cm >> > > = >> > > > > around >> > > > > 6") >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= >> 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<http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> >> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> >> > > >> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> >> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname >> <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> >> > > > >> > > > =Cyprin>> >> > > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") >> > > > > >> > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish >> > > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the >> > > > > water after >> > > > each spa >> > > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health >> > > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. >> > > > > >> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> >> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >> > > > > the >> > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives >> > > > > by >> > > > > Year, >> > > > Month) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber >> > > > > Berglund >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM >> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish >> > > > > >> > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that >> > > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I >> > > > > correct >> > > > > or does >> > > > someone >> > > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are used >> > > > > in >> > > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the >> > > > > dead >> > > > > skin off of >> > > > your >> > > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38975	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that goes. The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light over the tank (with a blue led lighting). I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) Thanks, Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > possibly even less. Read on. > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to seven > hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when the sun is > mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight mostly > reflects off > the surface of the water since it's coming in at an angle. I kind of > mimick > this with my aquariums. I turn on a small room light when I wake up in the > morning and it's on for about an hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I > turn on the main room lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on > at 9AM > when the rest of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the > other room > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own > schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. Then, > around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the aquarium > lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the room except for > maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. My aquarium room > is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of mimicks dawn, early > morning lighting, then full daylight, then evening lighting, then > dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and a tank ecology that requires > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be appropriate > but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours is a BIG part > of your > algae problem. Even, once you get your tank heavily planted, I DO NOT > think > you will need 12 hours of lighting with the kind of intense lighting that > you have. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping them > on for > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > Amber > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> In reading what you are > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > some of > what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > becoming > a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the > beginning > because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of > planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > you've been > >posting in Diana's forum > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> but from > what I've > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > to be > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > read > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially > considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You > didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also > simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve > the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm > not sure > if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some > thoughts > that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye > could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >(Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem > was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank > (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the > meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not > sure how > to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and > I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been > doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my > nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm > hoping > that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid > of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very > prevalent in > town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > with it. > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > plants > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> > her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > Regards, >> > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom > Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > downstairs. > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared > to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, > although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a > Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his > site for > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT > websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone > trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a > couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > > http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > <http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you > can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted > forum > for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of > her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all > about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > Month) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom > Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush > aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38976	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

The lake might freeze over, but I'm really not sure to be honest. Some of our lakes freeze over through the winter though. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > While much of your terrestrial vegetation may live through the winter, do > your lakes/reservoirs assume freezing or extremely cold temps? If yes, > then > these extremely cold waters will usually not support much plant life. I > could be wrong and possibly the aquatic plants up there have acclimated to > living through the winter with minimal sunlight... it's doubtful though. > > I talked about the lighting issue in my reply that I sent a minute or so > ago. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method > > Okay I will cut the lighting down a bit, how far do you think? Is 8 hours > still too much? I keep the front and side panel's fairly well scraped off > each week too. I don't have a phosphate test kit, and doubt that my > LFS has > one, but will check later this week. > Our water is from a reservoir, but most of our vegetation doesn't die > off in > the winter, except small plant life, we have a lot of year round trees > (temperate rainforest). But I can see how that could affect my water. > My soil only had nitrogen added with worm castings (which is > supposedly slow > release but I don't know how that applies to a fish tank instead of a > normal > pot, hehe). I will double check the bag though. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 > > watts of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a > > higher percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your > > bulbs compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do > > not recall a 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you > > don't have enough plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until > > you can get a lot more plants to make your tank at least medium > > planted... but heavily planted is best for Walstad tanks... I would > > cut back the lighting time period substantially. When you do this, > > also scrape off the majority of the algae off the glass, at least the > > front panel and two sides. This way, the plants will start to get more > > CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the algae is using up a > > lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially starving your > > plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so you'll > > have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level > > until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change > > the ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things > > such as lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of > nutrients. > > Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is > > releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it > > probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. > > > > Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number > > representing the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener > > either so I do not know this for certain but it seems to be in my head > > for a reason... from something I've read over the years. > > > > I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. > > http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 > <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> > > <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 > <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01>> > > You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: > > Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 > > Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: > > 0.048%) > > Available Phosphate: 0.12% > > Soluable Potash: 0.08% > > Other Ingredients: 99.72% > > > > While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a > > phosphate test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate > > level in your tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come > from a > reservoir? > > I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water > > is known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the > > winter and early spring, before the plant life takes off again and > > starts using up the nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs > > can have high nutrient levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. > > > > Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the > > Mississippi River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and > > storm run-off in our water... so please watch what y'all eat up there > > since we have to drink your flushed toilet water down here.... > > mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just > > starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish > > store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later > > this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from > > the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant > > tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My > > lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are > > 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank > > also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in > > Alaska heh. > > I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of > > the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles > > in the tank too? > > > > Amber > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> In reading what you are > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method > > and could be > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in > > the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the > > unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > things back in balance. > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > you've been > > >posting in Diana's forum > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> but from > > what I've > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so > much. > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > > to be > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > > read > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients > > >and > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in > > your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was > > re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of > > this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >(Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to > > my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, > > now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > with it. > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > > plants > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > balancing > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > >fish, > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > > Regards, >> > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > downstairs. > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > >> >> > Lenny V. > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership > > to his site for > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > mentions > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and > > you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own > > hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's > > Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her > > hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>>> >> > > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>>> >> > > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> >> > blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > > Month) > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for > > lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

Uhoh, monster fish keepers ;) those must be biggun's later on, LOL. I'm wondering just how big they get now. I have no intentions of getting any of them now, I may have if they stay under a foot, and don't want to eat everything in the tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > So... does the joke go something like this... > > What do you call a fish with two really BIG lips? Chin-chin! LOL (I know, > only the bottom lip could be considered a chin but it's the thought that > counts. LOL) > > Here's a short article comparing the Garra rufa and the Chin-Chin. > http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish> > > Here's an MFK thread on them with a GOOD picture. > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464> > > This article has the scientific name for the Chin-Chin as Tilapia tilapia, > which doesn't sound right but I'm still checking for a real scientific > name. > http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php> > > Wiki shows them from the Cichlidae family. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia> > > Family: Cichlidae > > Subfamily: Pseudocrenilabrinae > > Tribe: Tilapiini > > Genera: > Oreochromis (about 30 species) > Sarotherodon (over 10 species) > Tilapia (about 40 species) > > I'm still not sure of the exact scientific name of the Chin-Chin. Nothing > found on Fishbase or Mongabay and Google keeps coming up with the various > spa articles. > > I did find a Black Chin Tilapia which led to my lame joke above. LOL > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=> > 247 It's actually a pretty nice looking fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > Somewhat down on this site. > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, > and the > fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of tilapia > they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the garra > rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more later. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > > that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > > will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > > info ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > > like > > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > > like some > > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > > background. I > > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > > Fish". > > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38978	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

I don't know if they really have teeth or not, but I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to sit in a "spa" full of fish with teeth (piranha comes to mind, heheh). They might have little ridges that work like teeth on the inside of their big lips ;) They appear to be pretty aggressive in the 10 gallons at the LFS but I'm sure they really don't want to be in the 10 gallon tank either, so it's hard to tell what they're really like. Good to know that I was right according to Lenny's last post, they are cichlids ;) I thought they looked like one. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Tilapia with teeth? > > I just came in on this thread. I don't actually know what you're talking > about. > > But it seems like any given genus of fish either has teeth or does not. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > Somewhat down on this site. > > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, and > > the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of > > tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not > > the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more > > later. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > >> I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > >> that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > >> will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > >> info ;) > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > >> like > >> > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > >> like some > >> > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > >> background. I > >> > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > >> Fish". > >> > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > >> > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > >> <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >> > right > >> > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > >> Month) > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:02 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > >> > > >> > The main page of that company has both garra rufa and doctor fish > >> > listed as > >> > their products, but they have no scientific information for the fish > >> > labeled > >> > "doctor fish". > >> > > >> > http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp > <http://www.spa-fish.com/product.asp>>> > >> > Whatever it is, my LFS definitely has these kinds of "doctor fish". > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > >> > > One last thing. I clicked on the 2nd page of Google Images and > saw a > >> > > picture linked to Loaches.com, a usually very reliable website and > >> > > here is their page on the Garra family, including a picture of the > >> > > Garra rufa, as the 6th photo down on the page. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga> > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/ga>>> > >> > > rra-sp > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g> > >> > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g > <http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index/g>>> > >> > > arra-sp> > >> > > ecies > >> > > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > >> > (Links to any articles referenced in > >> > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > >> > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:58 PM > >> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > >> > > > >> > > The ones at the LFS look like these ones, not the garra rufa's > >> > > > >> > > http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > >> > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>> > >> > > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>> > >> > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641> > >> <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641 > <http://www.spa-fish.com/prodShow.asp?ID=1641>>>> > >> > > > >> > > Amber > >> > > > >> > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > The fish they have at my LFS is blue, with some darker blue bands > >> > > > (horizontal I think from memory). They have big cichlid looking > >> > > > lips > >> > > > like severum's do as well. The picture they had of an "adult" > that > >> > > > someone locally had grown was at least 8 inches long, maybe > bigger, > >> > > > was two hands-full though ;) LOL. > >> > > > I was mostly curious as to how aggressive they really are, > they did > >> > > > a lot of lip fighting like most cichlids when I was watching > them > >> > > > in > >> > > > the tank. > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber > >> > > > > >> > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish > >> > > > > spas > >> > > > > for dead skin eaters. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > >> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>> > >> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>> > >> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>> > >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>> > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish> > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish>>>>>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: > Garra rufa > >> > > > > and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, > >> > > > > kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in > >> > > > > non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log > >> > > > > sucker. > >> > > > > They live and breed in the outdoor > >> > > > pools > >> > > > > of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > psoriasis." > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... > >> > > > > they > >> > > > > are both from the Carp family with one being more like a big > >> > > > > minnow and the other looking more like a carp. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>> > >> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>>> > >> > > > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>> > >> > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>> > >> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483> > >> <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=26483>>>>>> (14cm > >> > > = > >> > > > > around > >> > > > > 6") > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname=>>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > => > >> > > > Cyprin > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > > >> > > > =Cyprin> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > > >> > > > =Cyprin > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>> > >> > > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname> > >> > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname > <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=54828&genusname>>> > >> > > > > >> > > > =Cyprin>> > >> > > > > ion&speciesname=macrostomum (also 14cm = around 6") > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Many States are starting to pass laws against having these fish > >> > > > > spas. At first, they tried putting in rules about changing the > >> > > > > water after > >> > > > each spa > >> > > > > treatment, etc., but that didn't seem to alleviate the health > >> > > > > fears of some bureaucrats... who have nothing better to do. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > >> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > >> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives > >> > > > > by > >> > > > > Year, > >> > > > Month) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > >> > > > > Berglund > >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM > >> > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > >> > > > > > >> > > > > My LFS currently has Doctor fish in stock. I saw them now that > >> > > > > they are bigger and they look like a type of cichlid, am I > >> > > > > correct > >> > > > > or does > >> > > > someone > >> > > > > out there know more about these fish? I know that they are > used > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > spas that people put their feet into and the fish "clean" the > >> > > > > dead > >> > > > > skin off of > >> > > > your > >> > > > > feet. Now I wonder how healthy that is for the fish, LOL. I > also > >> > > > > wonder how they clean these pools so the fish don't die all the > >> > > > > time > >> > > > > ;) I saw a picture of one and they get to about the same > size as > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > severum, from what it looks like. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Amber > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" > on the > > home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38979	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

The wiki seems to say they are more peaceful fish though, but I don't want 'em digging up my plants, one digger is bad enough, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Uhoh, monster fish keepers ;) those must be biggun's later on, LOL. > I'm wondering just how big they get now. I have no intentions of getting > any of them now, I may have if they stay under a foot, and don't want to > eat everything in the tank ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > So... does the joke go something like this... > > > > What do you call a fish with two really BIG lips? Chin-chin! LOL (I > know, > > only the bottom lip could be considered a chin but it's the thought that > > counts. LOL) > > > > Here's a short article comparing the Garra rufa and the Chin-Chin. > > http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish> > > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish>> > > > > Here's an MFK thread on them with a GOOD picture. > > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464> > > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464>> > > > > This article has the scientific name for the Chin-Chin as Tilapia > tilapia, > > which doesn't sound right but I'm still checking for a real scientific > > name. > > http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php> > > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php>> > > > > Wiki shows them from the Cichlidae family. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia>> > > > > Family: Cichlidae > > > > Subfamily: Pseudocrenilabrinae > > > > Tribe: Tilapiini > > > > Genera: > > Oreochromis (about 30 species) > > Sarotherodon (over 10 species) > > Tilapia (about 40 species) > > > > I'm still not sure of the exact scientific name of the Chin-Chin. > Nothing > > found on Fishbase or Mongabay and Google keeps coming up with the > various > > spa articles. > > > > I did find a Black Chin Tilapia which led to my lame joke above. LOL > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=> > > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=>> > > 247 It's actually a pretty nice looking fish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > Somewhat down on this site. > > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV>> > > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, > > and the > > fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a type of > tilapia > > they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the garra > > rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more later. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked similar > > > that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind of carp. I > > > will look later after work, and then try emailing if I find no more > > > info ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent picture > > > like > > > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > > > like some > > > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > > > background. I > > > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their "Doctor > > > Fish". > > > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. It's only 18" deep though. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that goes. The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light over the tank (with a blue led lighting). I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) Thanks, Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > possibly even less. Read on. > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room lights > will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own > schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the room > except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then evening > lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and a tank > ecology that requires > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours is > a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank heavily > planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting with the > kind of intense lighting that you have. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping them > on for > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > Amber > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> In reading what you are > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method > and could be > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in > the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the > unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > things back in balance. > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > you've been > >posting in Diana's forum > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> but from > what I've > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > to be > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > read > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients > >and > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in > your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was > re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of > this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >(Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to > my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, > now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > with it. > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > plants > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > balancing > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > >fish, > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > Regards, >> > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > downstairs. > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership > to his site for > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > <http://www.plantedt >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> rr-met >> > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > >> > rr-met> >> h> > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > mentions > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and > you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own > hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's > Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her > hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> >> > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > >> > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > Month) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for > lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just have to find the tape measure). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well lit > with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, CFL's are > much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably comparable to 3WPG > of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some folks have even more but I > only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent tubes on my brightest tank and it's > pretty darn bright in there. It's only 18" deep though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > goes. > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > get a > good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light over the tank > (with a blue led lighting). > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that bright > in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the light > has to > penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I should leave it on > longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > Thanks, > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room lights > > will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own > > schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the room > > except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then evening > > lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and a tank > > ecology that requires > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours is > > a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank heavily > > planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting with the > > kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping them > > on for > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > Amber > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> In reading what you are > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method > > and could be > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in > > the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the > > unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > things back in balance. > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > you've been > > >posting in Diana's forum > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> but from > > what I've > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be > > >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so > much. > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels > > to be > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've > > read > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients > > >and > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in > > your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was > > re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of > > this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >(Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to > > my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, > > now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > with it. > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance > > >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the > > plants > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > balancing > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > >fish, > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing > > something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> > > Regards, >> > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > downstairs. > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > >> >> > Lenny V. > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership > > to his site for > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > mentions > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and > > you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own > > hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's > > Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her > > hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>>> >> > > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>>> >> > > org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > > > >> > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> >> > blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any > > articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> > > Month) > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: > > Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for > > lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

The Chin-Chin Tilapia's do have teeth that start to grow when the fish get a little bigger. Most of my reading so far inform the spa owners to plan on replacing them every six months or so. The Garra rufa are more sucker mouth type fish and only suck the dead skin off where the Chin-Chin's bite and peel the dead skin... and possibly good skin off with it... kind of like when you peel a sunburn off, some good skin comes off too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish I don't know if they really have teeth or not, but I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to sit in a "spa" full of fish with teeth (piranha comes to mind, heheh). They might have little ridges that work like teeth on the inside of their big lips ;) They appear to be pretty aggressive in the 10 gallons at the LFS but I'm sure they really don't want to be in the 10 gallon tank either, so it's hard to tell what they're really like. Good to know that I was right according to Lenny's last post, they are cichlids ;) I thought they looked like one. Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > Tilapia with teeth? > > I just came in on this thread. I don't actually know what you're > talking about. > > But it seems like any given genus of fish either has teeth or does not. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > Somewhat down on this site. > > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, > > and the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a > > type of tilapia they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my > > LFS are not the garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will > > have to look more later. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > >> I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked > >> similar that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another kind > >> of carp. I will look later after work, and then try emailing if I > >> find no more info ;) > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent > >> > picture > >> like > >> > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > >> like some > >> > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > >> background. I > >> > would email them and ask them for the species name on their > >> > "Doctor > >> Fish". > >> > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > >> > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > >> <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > >> > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > >> > Archives by Year, > >> Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38983	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

In a message dated 4/7/2009 6:43:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amber@... writes: The wiki seems to say they are more peaceful fish though, but I don't want 'em digging up my plants, one digger is bad enough, LOL. Amber years ago I used to have Tilapia in my aquariums, it was Tilapia mozambica, thou. The biggest ones I had where about a foot long, but I don't think that particular one was a mozambica . They normally eat a lot of plant material, but like all fish will turn to anything available. Only time they really turned downright aggressive was when in breeding mode, unfortunately if you keep a mixed group this can start as small as 2 inches long. Enid "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38984	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

I wouldn't count on Wikipedia as a sole source. Remember that the Wiki article I linked to was about Tilapia in general, representing over 80 species so you can never presume that all 80 fish will have similar social or feeding habits. If you find the true species name for the Chin-chin, let us know. I can find tons of writings about Chin-chin's but none of them have a scientific name that I've been able to verify. Some writings have speculated about scientific names but then when I ran those names through FishBase, nothing definite showed up... and FishBase does not have the common name Chin-chin in its database. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish The wiki seems to say they are more peaceful fish though, but I don't want 'em digging up my plants, one digger is bad enough, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Uhoh, monster fish keepers ;) those must be biggun's later on, LOL. > I'm wondering just how big they get now. I have no intentions of > getting any of them now, I may have if they stay under a foot, and > don't want to eat everything in the tank ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > So... does the joke go something like this... > > > > What do you call a fish with two really BIG lips? Chin-chin! LOL (I > know, > > only the bottom lip could be considered a chin but it's the thought > > that counts. LOL) > > > > Here's a short article comparing the Garra rufa and the Chin-Chin. > > http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish> > > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish>> > > > > Here's an MFK thread on them with a GOOD picture. > > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464> > > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464>> > > > > This article has the scientific name for the Chin-Chin as Tilapia > tilapia, > > which doesn't sound right but I'm still checking for a real > > scientific name. > > http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php> > > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php>> > > > > Wiki shows them from the Cichlidae family. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia>> > > > > Family: Cichlidae > > > > Subfamily: Pseudocrenilabrinae > > > > Tribe: Tilapiini > > > > Genera: > > Oreochromis (about 30 species) > > Sarotherodon (over 10 species) > > Tilapia (about 40 species) > > > > I'm still not sure of the exact scientific name of the Chin-Chin. > Nothing > > found on Fishbase or Mongabay and Google keeps coming up with the > various > > spa articles. > > > > I did find a Black Chin Tilapia which led to my lame joke above. LOL > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?artic > le_id= > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > cle_id=> > > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > cle_id= > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > cle_id=>> > > 247 It's actually a pretty nice looking fish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > Somewhat down on this site. > > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV>> > > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, > > and the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a > > type of > tilapia > > they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the > > garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more later. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked > > > similar that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another > > > kind of carp. I will look later after work, and then try emailing > > > if I find no more info ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent > > > > picture > > > like > > > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > > > like some > > > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > > > background. I > > > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their > > > > "Doctor > > > Fish". > > > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, > > > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38985	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Plant identification

Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will be found here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38986	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

I'm thinking that china is trying to have their own spa fish and they are called the same as the garra, including the same scientific name, but the pictures listed were clearly of a tilapia, so perhaps china needs to look at who's naming their fish a little closer and the pictures of what they claim they are ;) LOL. China is the one that named them chin chin's from what I can see online, but there is not much info out there on them except for in spa treatments ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I wouldn't count on Wikipedia as a sole source. Remember that the Wiki > article I linked to was about Tilapia in general, representing over 80 > species so you can never presume that all 80 fish will have similar social > or feeding habits. If you find the true species name for the > Chin-chin, let > us know. I can find tons of writings about Chin-chin's but none of them > have a scientific name that I've been able to verify. Some writings have > speculated about scientific names but then when I ran those names through > FishBase, nothing definite showed up... and FishBase does not have the > common name Chin-chin in its database. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > The wiki seems to say they are more peaceful fish though, but I don't want > 'em digging up my plants, one digger is bad enough, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Uhoh, monster fish keepers ;) those must be biggun's later on, LOL. > > I'm wondering just how big they get now. I have no intentions of > > getting any of them now, I may have if they stay under a foot, and > > don't want to eat everything in the tank ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > So... does the joke go something like this... > > > > > > What do you call a fish with two really BIG lips? Chin-chin! LOL (I > > know, > > > only the bottom lip could be considered a chin but it's the thought > > > that counts. LOL) > > > > > > Here's a short article comparing the Garra rufa and the Chin-Chin. > > > http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish> > > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish>> > > > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish> > > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish > <http://www.drfishusa.com/garrarufavs.chinchinfish>>> > > > > > > Here's an MFK thread on them with a GOOD picture. > > > http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464> > > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464>> > > > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464> > > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464 > <http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175464>>> > > > > > > This article has the scientific name for the Chin-Chin as Tilapia > > tilapia, > > > which doesn't sound right but I'm still checking for a real > > > scientific name. > > > http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php> > > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php>> > > > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php> > > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php > <http://www.sampuotonspa.com/comparison.php>>> > > > > > > Wiki shows them from the Cichlidae family. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia>> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia>>> > > > > > > Family: Cichlidae > > > > > > Subfamily: Pseudocrenilabrinae > > > > > > Tribe: Tilapiini > > > > > > Genera: > > > Oreochromis (about 30 species) > > > Sarotherodon (over 10 species) > > > Tilapia (about 40 species) > > > > > > I'm still not sure of the exact scientific name of the Chin-Chin. > > Nothing > > > found on Fishbase or Mongabay and Google keeps coming up with the > > various > > > spa articles. > > > > > > I did find a Black Chin Tilapia which led to my lame joke above. LOL > > > > > > http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?artic > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?artic> > > le_id= > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti> > > cle_id=> > > > > > > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti> > > cle_id= > > > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti > <http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?arti> > > cle_id=>> > > > 247 It's actually a pretty nice looking fish. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:21 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish > > > > > > Somewhat down on this site. > > > http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV>> > > > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV> > > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV > <http://www.topix.com/forum/health/psoriasis/T6EFLIM9FMV8649JV>>> > > > There is a guy that states this, "I have done some research on this, > > > and the fish shown in this story are actually Chin-Chin which is a > > > type of > > tilapia > > > they have teeth." So it sounds like the ones at my LFS are not the > > > garra rufa's, but the tilapia with teeth? I will have to look more > later. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > I found another picture on another site of a fish that looked > > > > similar that was labeled a "chin chin" so perhaps it's another > > > > kind of carp. I will look later after work, and then try emailing > > > > if I find no more info ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad their image of the "Doctor Fish" isn't a decent > > > > > picture > > > > like > > > > > their 3-4 pics of Garra rufa. The "Doctor Fish" image looks more > > > > like some > > > > > kind of post-modern art work with the color patterns in the > > > > background. I > > > > > would email them and ask them for the species name on their > > > > > "Doctor > > > > Fish". > > > > > Here's their email address copy/pasted from their website. > > > > > Email : li13060652663@... <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > <mailto:li13060652663%40126.com> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38987	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: FW: Guide to the Early States of Fishes in the California Current Re

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38988	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess anything is possible. If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants in pots and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the lighting... or you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a more piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of fluorescent light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you just spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some reflectors that you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL lighting down into the tank better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just have to find the tape measure). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well > lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, > CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably > comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some > folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent > tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. It's only 18" deep though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > goes. > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light > over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that > bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the > light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I > should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > Thanks, > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room > > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my > > own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the > > room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then > > evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and > > a tank ecology that requires > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours > > is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank > > heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting > > with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > them on for > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > Amber > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> In reading what you > are > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad > > method and could be > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different > > in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and > > the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > things back in balance. > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > you've been > > >posting in Diana's forum > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> but from > > what I've > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not > > >be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it > > >so > much. > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > >levels > > to be > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all > > >I've > > read > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > >nutrients and > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > >about > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable > > in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as > > I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from > > some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them > > to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my > > whole tank > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is > > >on > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > with it. > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just > > >rely on the > > plants > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> > > >>> > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > basically > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > balancing > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > >fish, > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> > > >> Regards, >> > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >> > > Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > downstairs. > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > >> >> > Lenny V. > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a > > membership to his site for > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > mentions > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method > > and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her > > own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a > > Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links > > to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38989	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION -

____________________________________ From: gennygem2@... Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com To: Gennygem2@... Sent: 4/7/2009 3:58:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR 699 NOW Wide cross posting of this email is requested in its entirety, with links and PIJAC PDF attachment. ACTION ALERT - FROM AFA, ASA, and NAIA, with additional information from PIJAC WE NEED YOUR HELP - WHETHER YOU OWN AN "EXOTIC" ANIMAL OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL. HR 669 IS SET FOR HEARING ON 4/23/09. WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO KILL HR 669 NOW. THE ISSUE - WHAT IS HR 669? - WHAT WILL IT DO? "ONE GENERATION AND OUT" is not just limited to purebred dogs and cats. Now our "non-native" species" are targets of the animal prohibitionist agenda. Under HR 669, "non-native" basically means if a species of animal didn't live in the US before the arrival of Columbus it is "non-native"before theif HR 669 passes, most non-native species of animal (i.e., exotic animals) won't remain in the US much longer. That means your exotic pet bird, reptile, fish, or mammal. HR 669 is a very serious and harmful animal prohibition proposal. HR 669 is not needed to protect our environment. HR 699 is the legislative equivalent of a nuclear bomb that is aimed at the entire US exotic pet industry, all US exotic pet owners, and all exotic animals in the US. HR 669 is an "anti-animal bill". There is no amendment that can fix this bill. HR 669 will hurt everyone who owns an animal, and it will hurt our animals. Breeder, pet owner, rescuer, rehabilitator, zoo, service or product provider - it doesn't matter - we will all be hurt by this bill. HR 669 needs to be killed at the April 23rd hearing - not amended, not "made better" - HR 669 NEEDS TO BE KILLED. Please contact the Representatives hearing this bill NOW and ask them to KILL HR 669 (see below for contact information)P All import, export, transport across State lines, selling, buying, bartering, or offering to sell, buy or barter, and all breeding, and release, of all non-native species not on the "approved list" will be prohibited - even by zoos, sanctuaries, and licensed breeders. Permits authorizing only "importation" may be issued to "zoos, scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary". There is no requirement that any permits be granted. Even if these institutions are able to obtain the required permits, where will they obtain their imported animals? Habitat for many species is declining worldwide, many species are endangered or threatened in the wild, and many species cannot be imported to the US under the CITES treaty. The result of this bill will be to put a stop domestic breeding of most endangered or threatened species in the US for zoos, conservation, or reintroduction programs. Zoos are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. If you "possess" a non-approved species "legally" prior to enactment of the law, you will be allowed to keep it, but all of the other restrictions pf HR 669 will still apply to your species - you will not be allowed to sell, transfer, transport across State lines, export, barter, trade, breed, or give that animal to anyone else. Pet owners will not be allowed to take their non-approved pets with them if they move to another state, and they will not be allowed to transfer them to anyone else who can care for them. Those pets will be euthanized when their owners move, die, or can no longer keep their pets for whatever reason. Pet owners and their pets are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. "Rescue" and "sanctuary" will not be available for any non-approved species unless the rescue or sanctuary keeps only species found within their respective States. That result has been contemplated for years. Rescues and Sanctuaries are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. Any person or company manufacturing or selling food or products for non-native (exotic) species will be affected by this act. If non-native (exotic) species cannot be legally possessed, bought, sold, or transferred, there will be no incentive for manufacturers of food, caging, and supplies for these animals to remain in business. Where will non-native (exotic) animal owners obtain the food and materials needed to keep their animals? Freeflight of exotic birds will be prohibited. THE LEGAL DETAILS OF THIS BILL Under existing federal law, it must be shown that a species is harmful before it is prohibited. That approach is reasonable, and has worked reasonably well for many years. In essence, HR 669 turns that reasonable approach on its head, and substitutes the unreasonable and unjustified approach of "bomb first, ask questions later". HR 669 requires the government to create an "approved" list of "non-native" species that will be allowed in the US. Any species not on the "approved" list will be prohibited. Under HR 668 the "approved" list shall include "nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds ... based on scientific and commercial information .... (A) are not harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health; or (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States." It takes time and money for the government to study any species and make a "finding". Time and money are always in short supply, and are especially in short supply in this economy. If your species is not included on the original "approved list", then under HR 669 you can try to get your species "approved" by paying a fee and submitting a proposal to our government to include it on the "approved list". Your proposal "must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health." While your proposal is being "evaluated" by our government, you and your animals are still subject to the restrictions of HR 669. Whether your proposal will ever be granted is pure speculation. There are more than 9000 bird species, and thousands of species of birds are kept in the US. There are many other non-native (exotic) species owned by animal lovers across the US. How many bird or other non-native (exotic) species do you think our government can afford to study and determine that they can be added to this newly created "approved list"? If the required study can't be made of a species, and the required finding isn't made about a species, the animal won't make it to the approved list. That applies to every species of non-native (exotic) animal. WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP KILL HR 669 Contact your Representatives NOW 1. You can use NAIA's Capwiz tool to send an automatic email or fax to each of the Representatives who will hear this bill to ask them to KILL HR 669. Here's the link to send your email using Capwiz: <_www.capwiz.com/www.capwiz_ (http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/) > 2. PIJAC has provided us with a PDF flyer which explains to pet owners how HR 669 will hurt all of us and our animals. The PIJAC PDF flyer is attached to this email. The PIJAC PDF flyer provides you with contact information - use it. Please contact your own Representatives NOW, and tell them to KILL HR 669. Be polite and respectful, but be clear and firm in your opposition to this bill. Be brief, and tell them a few reasons why you think it is a bad bill. Short and to the point works best. If you have time, you can also contact all of the other Representatives in your State. Write to your Representative using their contact pages on their websites. Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard for us to contact some of our Representatives - emails don't often go through, letters aren't read, and we sometimes have to write individually to our Representatives using the contact pages they put up on their websites. PIJAC has done the work to give us links where needed for these contact pages for these websites so that we can make those contacts (see the attached PIJAC PDF flyer), and NAIA is making "Capwiz" available for the one-shot contact - go to the Capwiz webpage at <_www.capwiz.com/www.capwiz_ (http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/) > Call and Fax your Representative at the numbers provided on the attached PDF PIJAC flyer. Be sure to contact the local office of your own Representative by phone, and if you can, make a personal visit. Our congressional representatives are now on recess, and will return to their work at the Capitol next week. Let your Representatives' local offices know NOW that you want them to KILL HR 669. If the local staff hear from enough constituents that they want a bill killed, they will let their Representatives know that their constituents hate this bill. 3. Distribute this email, NAIA's link, and PIJAC's PDF flyer widely to everyone you know who loves animals and wants to keep them in our lives. In particular, send it to any pet lists you are on. This bill will impact almost all non-native animals. Ask them to contact the representatives and ask them to KILL HR 669. You can see PIJAC's earlier alert on HR 669 here: <_http://www.pijac.http://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www_ (http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf) > You can see the full text of the bill here: <_http://frwebgate.http://frwehttp://frwebhttp://frwehttp://frwehttp://frw&docid=f:h669ih.docid=f_ (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h669ih.tx t.pdf) > 4. If you have a website or belong to a discussion list, post this Alert and the PDF attachment. Ask your friends to do the same. A NOTE ALL ANIMAL OWNERS, AND ESPECIALLY TO BIRD OWNERS Does the Pennsylvania Proposed Ban of the Nanday Conure of 2008 ring a bell for anyone? For those bird owners who fought so hard and so well for the Nanday in Pennsylvania in 2008 - that was just target practice. HR 669 IS THE ANIMAL PROHIBITIONIST NUCLEAR OPTION - STOP IT NOW. Get your phones, emails, and faxes working and get our troops marching again. We need every one of you to help again, and we need the help of everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they own a bird, a dog, a cat, a turtle, a hamster, a fish, a snake, a tiger, a monkey, or any other animal. We are all affected by this bill. Don't let the animal prohibitionists force their agenda on the rest of us. Thanks, Genny Wall Attorney at Law Legislative VP, AFA, NAIA Laurella Desborough Legislative Chair, ASA, NAIA _www.afabirds.www_ (http://www.afabirds.org/) _www.asabirds.www_ (http://www.asabirds.org/) _www.naiaonline.www_ (http://www.naiaonline.org/) With great thanks to Marshall Meyers of PIJAC for providing their materials and for working on behalf of all of us. _www.PIJAC.org_ (http://www.pijac.org/) "The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings and of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure and satisfactions of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. To protect that right, every unjustifiable intrusion by the government upon the privacy of the individual, whatever the means employed, must be deemed a violation of the Fourth Amendment. And the use, as evidence in a criminal proceeding, of facts ascertained by such intrusion must be deemed a violation of the Fifth." --Justice Louis Brandeis OLMSTEAD v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438 (1928) "In our country are evangelists and zealots of many different political, economic and religious persuasions whose fanatical conviction is that all thought is divinely classified into two kinds -- that which is their own and that which is false and dangerous." -- Justice Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U. S. Supreme Court Justice ____________________________________ Worried about job security? _Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession_ (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) . **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38990	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTI

The main thing in this long post is the CapWiz link... but the rest of the info is quite informative as well. http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/ Make sure you send emails/faxes to ALL of your State and Federal politicians TELLING them to OPPOSE HR 669. This is easy to do with the CapWiz system. If you have any trouble, email me on or off list and I'll help. I do these things all the time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@yahoogroups.com; ken@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR ... ____________________________________ From: gennygem2@... Reply-to: SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com To: Gennygem2@... Sent: 4/7/2009 3:58:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR 699 NOW Wide cross posting of this email is requested in its entirety, with links and PIJAC PDF attachment. ACTION ALERT - FROM AFA, ASA, and NAIA, with additional information from PIJAC WE NEED YOUR HELP - WHETHER YOU OWN AN "EXOTIC" ANIMAL OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL. HR 669 IS SET FOR HEARING ON 4/23/09. WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO KILL HR 669 NOW. THE ISSUE - WHAT IS HR 669? - WHAT WILL IT DO? "ONE GENERATION AND OUT" is not just limited to purebred dogs and cats. Now our "non-native" species" are targets of the animal prohibitionist agenda. Under HR 669, "non-native" basically means if a species of animal didn't live in the US before the arrival of Columbus it is "non-native"before theif HR 669 passes, most non-native species of animal (i.e., exotic animals) won't remain in the US much longer. That means your exotic pet bird, reptile, fish, or mammal. HR 669 is a very serious and harmful animal prohibition proposal. HR 669 is not needed to protect our environment. HR 699 is the legislative equivalent of a nuclear bomb that is aimed at the entire US exotic pet industry, all US exotic pet owners, and all exotic animals in the US. HR 669 is an "anti-animal bill". There is no amendment that can fix this bill. HR 669 will hurt everyone who owns an animal, and it will hurt our animals. Breeder, pet owner, rescuer, rehabilitator, zoo, service or product provider - it doesn't matter - we will all be hurt by this bill. HR 669 needs to be killed at the April 23rd hearing - not amended, not "made better" - HR 669 NEEDS TO BE KILLED. Please contact the Representatives hearing this bill NOW and ask them to KILL HR 669 (see below for contact information)P All import, export, transport across State lines, selling, buying, bartering, or offering to sell, buy or barter, and all breeding, and release, of all non-native species not on the "approved list" will be prohibited - even by zoos, sanctuaries, and licensed breeders. Permits authorizing only "importation" may be issued to "zoos, scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary". There is no requirement that any permits be granted. Even if these institutions are able to obtain the required permits, where will they obtain their imported animals? Habitat for many species is declining worldwide, many species are endangered or threatened in the wild, and many species cannot be imported to the US under the CITES treaty. The result of this bill will be to put a stop domestic breeding of most endangered or threatened species in the US for zoos, conservation, or reintroduction programs. Zoos are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. If you "possess" a non-approved species "legally" prior to enactment of the law, you will be allowed to keep it, but all of the other restrictions pf HR 669 will still apply to your species - you will not be allowed to sell, transfer, transport across State lines, export, barter, trade, breed, or give that animal to anyone else. Pet owners will not be allowed to take their non-approved pets with them if they move to another state, and they will not be allowed to transfer them to anyone else who can care for them. Those pets will be euthanized when their owners move, die, or can no longer keep their pets for whatever reason. Pet owners and their pets are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. "Rescue" and "sanctuary" will not be available for any non-approved species unless the rescue or sanctuary keeps only species found within their respective States. That result has been contemplated for years. Rescues and Sanctuaries are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda. Any person or company manufacturing or selling food or products for non-native (exotic) species will be affected by this act. If non-native (exotic) species cannot be legally possessed, bought, sold, or transferred, there will be no incentive for manufacturers of food, caging, and supplies for these animals to remain in business. Where will non-native (exotic) animal owners obtain the food and materials needed to keep their animals? Freeflight of exotic birds will be prohibited. THE LEGAL DETAILS OF THIS BILL Under existing federal law, it must be shown that a species is harmful before it is prohibited. That approach is reasonable, and has worked reasonably well for many years. In essence, HR 669 turns that reasonable approach on its head, and substitutes the unreasonable and unjustified approach of "bomb first, ask questions later". HR 669 requires the government to create an "approved" list of "non-native" species that will be allowed in the US. Any species not on the "approved" list will be prohibited. Under HR 668 the "approved" list shall include "nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds ... based on scientific and commercial information .... (A) are not harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health; or (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States." It takes time and money for the government to study any species and make a "finding". Time and money are always in short supply, and are especially in short supply in this economy. If your species is not included on the original "approved list", then under HR 669 you can try to get your species "approved" by paying a fee and submitting a proposal to our government to include it on the "approved list". Your proposal "must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health." While your proposal is being "evaluated" by our government, you and your animals are still subject to the restrictions of HR 669. Whether your proposal will ever be granted is pure speculation. There are more than 9000 bird species, and thousands of species of birds are kept in the US. There are many other non-native (exotic) species owned by animal lovers across the US. How many bird or other non-native (exotic) species do you think our government can afford to study and determine that they can be added to this newly created "approved list"? If the required study can't be made of a species, and the required finding isn't made about a species, the animal won't make it to the approved list. That applies to every species of non-native (exotic) animal. WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP KILL HR 669 Contact your Representatives NOW 1. You can use NAIA's Capwiz tool to send an automatic email or fax to each of the Representatives who will hear this bill to ask them to KILL HR 669. Here's the link to send your email using Capwiz: <_www.capwiz.com/www.capwiz_ (http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/) > 2. PIJAC has provided us with a PDF flyer which explains to pet owners how HR 669 will hurt all of us and our animals. The PIJAC PDF flyer is attached to this email. The PIJAC PDF flyer provides you with contact information - use it. Please contact your own Representatives NOW, and tell them to KILL HR 669. Be polite and respectful, but be clear and firm in your opposition to this bill. Be brief, and tell them a few reasons why you think it is a bad bill. Short and to the point works best. If you have time, you can also contact all of the other Representatives in your State. Write to your Representative using their contact pages on their websites. Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard for us to contact some of our Representatives - emails don't often go through, letters aren't read, and we sometimes have to write individually to our Representatives using the contact pages they put up on their websites. PIJAC has done the work to give us links where needed for these contact pages for these websites so that we can make those contacts (see the attached PIJAC PDF flyer), and NAIA is making "Capwiz" available for the one-shot contact - go to the Capwiz webpage at <_www.capwiz.com/www.capwiz_ (http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/) > Call and Fax your Representative at the numbers provided on the attached PDF PIJAC flyer. Be sure to contact the local office of your own Representative by phone, and if you can, make a personal visit. Our congressional representatives are now on recess, and will return to their work at the Capitol next week. Let your Representatives' local offices know NOW that you want them to KILL HR 669. If the local staff hear from enough constituents that they want a bill killed, they will let their Representatives know that their constituents hate this bill. 3. Distribute this email, NAIA's link, and PIJAC's PDF flyer widely to everyone you know who loves animals and wants to keep them in our lives. In particular, send it to any pet lists you are on. This bill will impact almost all non-native animals. Ask them to contact the representatives and ask them to KILL HR 669. You can see PIJAC's earlier alert on HR 669 here: <_http://www.pijac.http://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www_ (http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf) > You can see the full text of the bill here: <_http://frwebgate.http://frwehttp://frwebhttp://frwehttp://frwehttp://frw&d ocid=f:h669ih.docid=f_ (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&do cid=f:h669ih.tx t.pdf) > 4. If you have a website or belong to a discussion list, post this Alert and the PDF attachment. Ask your friends to do the same. A NOTE ALL ANIMAL OWNERS, AND ESPECIALLY TO BIRD OWNERS Does the Pennsylvania Proposed Ban of the Nanday Conure of 2008 ring a bell for anyone? For those bird owners who fought so hard and so well for the Nanday in Pennsylvania in 2008 - that was just target practice. HR 669 IS THE ANIMAL PROHIBITIONIST NUCLEAR OPTION - STOP IT NOW. Get your phones, emails, and faxes working and get our troops marching again. We need every one of you to help again, and we need the help of everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they own a bird, a dog, a cat, a turtle, a hamster, a fish, a snake, a tiger, a monkey, or any other animal. We are all affected by this bill. Don't let the animal prohibitionists force their agenda on the rest of us. Thanks, Genny Wall Attorney at Law Legislative VP, AFA, NAIA Laurella Desborough Legislative Chair, ASA, NAIA _www.afabirds.www_ (http://www.afabirds.org/) _www.asabirds.www_ (http://www.asabirds.org/) _www.naiaonline.www_ (http://www.naiaonline.org/) With great thanks to Marshall Meyers of PIJAC for providing their materials and for working on behalf of all of us. _www.PIJAC.org_ (http://www.pijac.org/) "The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings and of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure and satisfactions of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. To protect that right, every unjustifiable intrusion by the government upon the privacy of the individual, whatever the means employed, must be deemed a violation of the Fourth Amendment. And the use, as evidence in a criminal proceeding, of facts ascertained by such intrusion must be deemed a violation of the Fifth." --Justice Louis Brandeis OLMSTEAD v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438 (1928) "In our country are evangelists and zealots of many different political, economic and religious persuasions whose fanatical conviction is that all thought is divinely classified into two kinds -- that which is their own and that which is false and dangerous." -- Justice Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U. S. Supreme Court Justice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38991	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

You were right, I was way off, LOL. Not sure how I overestimated it by double ;) It's actually 2 feet tall. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess > anything > is possible. > > If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants in pots > and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the lighting... or > you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a more > piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of fluorescent > light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you just > spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some reflectors > that > you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL lighting down > into the > tank better. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just > have to > find the tape measure). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well > > lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, > > CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably > > comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some > > folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent > > tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. > It's only > 18" deep though. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > > goes. > > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > > get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light > > over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that > > bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the > > light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I > > should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > > > Thanks, > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 > hours... > > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room > > > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my > > > own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if > I did. > > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the > > > room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there > working. > > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then > > > evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and > > > a tank ecology that requires > > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours > > > is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank > > > heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting > > > with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > > them on for > > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>> In reading what you > > are > > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad > > > method and could be > > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different > > > in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and > > > the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > > things back in balance. > > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > > you've been > > > >posting in Diana's forum > > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>> but from > > > what I've > > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not > > > >be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it > > > >so > > much. > > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > > >levels > > > to be > > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all > > > >I've > > > read > > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > > >nutrients and > > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > > >about > > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable > > > in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as > > > I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from > > > some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > >Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > >Sent: > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them > > > to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of > > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my > > > whole tank > > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is > > > >on > > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > > with it. > > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just > > > >rely on the > > > plants > > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > > basically > > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > > balancing > > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > > >fish, > > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> > > > >> Regards, >> > > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > >> > > > Sent: > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > > downstairs. > > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > > >> >> > > Lenny V. > > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a > > > membership to his site for > > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > >> > > > rr-met> >> h> > > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > > > > > >> > > > rr-met> >> h> > > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > > mentions > > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method > > > and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her > > > own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a > > > Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links > > > to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > > http://thegab. > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38992	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

Oh you never answered one question I had. Will bubble decorations outgas Co2? Should I turn off all my decorations in the walstad tank that bubble? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > You were right, I was way off, LOL. Not sure how I overestimated it by > double ;) It's actually 2 feet tall. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess > > anything > > is possible. > > > > If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants > in pots > > and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the > lighting... or > > you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a more > > piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of > fluorescent > > light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you just > > spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some reflectors > > that > > you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL lighting down > > into the > > tank better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just > > have to > > find the tape measure). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well > > > lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, > > > CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably > > > comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some > > > folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent > > > tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. > > It's only > > 18" deep though. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > > > goes. > > > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > > > get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light > > > over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > > > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that > > > bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the > > > light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I > > > should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 > > hours... > > > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room > > > > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my > > > > own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if > > I did. > > > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the > > > > room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there > > working. > > > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then > > > > evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and > > > > a tank ecology that requires > > > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours > > > > is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank > > > > heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting > > > > with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > > > them on for > > > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>> > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>>> In reading what you > > > are > > > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad > > > > method and could be > > > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different > > > > in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and > > > > the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > > > things back in balance. > > > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > > > you've been > > > > >posting in Diana's forum > > > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>>> but from > > > > what I've > > > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not > > > > >be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it > > > > >so > > > much. > > > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > > > >levels > > > > to be > > > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all > > > > >I've > > > > read > > > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > > > >nutrients and > > > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > > > >about > > > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable > > > > in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as > > > > I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from > > > > some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > >right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > >Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > >Sent: > > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them > > > > to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of > > > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my > > > > whole tank > > > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is > > > > >on > > > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > > > with it. > > > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just > > > > >rely on the > > > > plants > > > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > > > basically > > > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > > > balancing > > > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > > > >fish, > > > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> > > > > >> Regards, >> > > > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > >> > > > > Sent: > > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > > > downstairs. > > > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > > > >> >> > > > Lenny V. > > > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a > > > > membership to his site for > > > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > rr-met> >> h> > > > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> > > > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > rr-met> >> h> > > > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > > > mentions > > > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method > > > > and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her > > > > own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a > > > > Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links > > > > to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > > > http://thegab. > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>>> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38993	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Okay, here are my Water Perameters: NO3 (nitrates) = 20 NO2 (nitrates) = .5 Hardness = 425 Alkalinity = 180 PH = 8 More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:10 AM I'm not sure what you mean by "belly up". Fish with septicemia do not float upside down and they do not always die. Remember, in the future and for any others reading this... the first thing one should do when their fish are not acting right or getting sick is test the water. Water quality issues, often caused by overstocking issues, is probably the number one reason for fish health problems in our aquariums. If the fish are acting sick, test the water, start doing daily 25% PWC's, do some tank maintenance, etc. The fresh clean water will go a LONG way towards helping your fishes immune system get stronger so the fish can fight off things on it's own, often without the need for medications. Keeping the tank in good condition all the time will prevent most things. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Thanks Lenny, my tank is acutally due for its weekly PWC and cleaning, gravel vaccum, etc. I will test my water tonight before I do my maintenance. As tempted as I am to do a huge water change, I will refrain - thanks for using all CAPS on that one ; )   so I will give you some additional info tonight, however I did check out the Hemorrhagic Septicemia - and it could be that, but he isn't belly up. And it seems like the illness is occuring in the fish that I have had the longest. I may have to find a place to restore my old 10 gallon setup so I can break up my overcrowding on my 55 gallon.   thanks again! I will write again tonight with more details.   <3 Gail   --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:13 PM What size tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. The fins with red streaks can be due to nitrogenous waste poisoning (ammonia, high nitrates) but is also an early warning sign of possibly being Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which is due to an internal bacteria infection. Melafix, while OK for minor things, is not going to help much with more serious things by itself. It will also not help if there are water quality issues. Remember that water quality issues are the number one cause of fish getting sick. Overstocking, having fish in undersized tanks, incompatible fish, etc., will also cause stress issues in fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems will falter, causing one or more fish to get sick. Start by doing proper filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming and daily 10-25% PWC's (partial water changes) to drastically (but slowly) improve water quality. DO NOT DO a large water change. If water quality is a problem, doing a large water change could cause as many problems as it might be trying to help. The only time one should do a large water change is in the event of a contamination of some kind of poison or toxin (cleaning supplies, air freshener, etc.). Give us the info to the questions asked above and tell us more about your overall tank maintenance schedule and we can give better advice. Remember, just because one fish is showing signs of illness does not mean all is good. A fish with a weaker immune system will always start to show signs earlier than other fish with stronger immune systems. Of course, all could be great and a single fish with a weak immune system will get sick and there may not be much you can do about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38994	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

Yes, anything that adds to surface agitation will allow CO2 to outgas. You can get an approximation of your CO2 levels by following the directions and chart on this page... about 1/2 down if you don't want to read the entire article. You will need a KH test and pH test kit. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm Test it first thing in the morning and then right before you turn your lights off in the evening. Let us know the numbers. While a 24" tall tank is taller than most, your lighting shouldn't have any problem penetrating that depth. Since you don't have a ton of plants yet, cut the lighting back to 8 hours for now and clean the algae off 3 panes of glass and see if it comes back or comes back as fast. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method Oh you never answered one question I had. Will bubble decorations outgas Co2? Should I turn off all my decorations in the walstad tank that bubble? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > You were right, I was way off, LOL. Not sure how I overestimated it by > double ;) It's actually 2 feet tall. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess > > anything is possible. > > > > If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants > in pots > > and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the > lighting... or > > you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a > > more piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of > fluorescent > > light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you > > just spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some > > reflectors that you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL > > lighting down into the tank better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just > > have to find the tape measure). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY > > > well lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once > > > again, CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's > > > probably comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. > > > Yes, some folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal > > > fluorescent tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. > > It's only > > 18" deep though. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how > > > that goes. > > > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so > > > they get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night > > > light over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > > > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem > > > that bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall > > > rather) the light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so > > > I figured I should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 > > hours... > > > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six > > > > to seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to > > > > 4PM, when the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, > > > > the sunlight mostly reflects off the surface of the water since > > > > it's coming in at an angle. I kind of mimick this with my > > > > aquariums. I turn on a small room light when I wake up in the > > > > morning and it's on for about an hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then > > > > around 8AM, I turn on the main room lighting and then the > > > > aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest of the lights go > > > > out.. unless I'm working where the other room lights will stay > > > > on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own schedule > > > > varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if > > I did. > > > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off > > > > the aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely > > > > in the room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm > > > > in there > > working. > > > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind > > > > of mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, > > > > then evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has > > > > plants and a tank ecology that requires > > > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting > > > > is appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of > > > > normal fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it > > > > might be appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think > > > > the 12 hours is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you > > > > get your tank heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 > > > > hours of lighting with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > > > them on for > > > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>> > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>>> In reading what you > > > are > > > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a > > > > problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the > > > > Walstad method and could be > > > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank > > > > >needs a > > > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can > > > > start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little > > > > different in the beginning because of your situation up there in > > > > >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now > > > > we have to >get things back in balance. > > > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > > > you've been > > > > >posting in Diana's forum > > > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>>> but from > > > > what I've > > > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should > > > > >not be changing out so much of the water and should not be > > > > >aerating it so > > > much. > > > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > > > >levels > > > > to be > > > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from > > > > >all I've > > > > read > > > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > > > >nutrients and > > > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the > > > > >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to > > > > bring things > > > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > > > >about > > > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is > > > > applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped > > > > in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye > > > > could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny > > > > Vasbinder > > > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > >the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > >Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > >Sent: > > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. > > > > My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding > > > > them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for > > > > >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way > > > > out of > > > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose > > > > >my > > > > whole tank > > > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that > > > > >is on > > > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes > > > > every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down > > > > until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that > > > > by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help > > > > get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae > > > > is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their > > > > >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so > > > > I think the >soil has something to do with it. > > > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't > > > > >just rely on the > > > > plants > > > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > > > basically > > > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a > > > > >> huge > > > > balancing > > > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the > > > > >right fish, > > > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - > > > > thanks >> > > > > >> Regards, >> > > > > >> red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38995	From: gail	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: gill flukes

does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38996	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so afraid of those words used to label fish. Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it is like this other species. Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may have come into use since the last publication. I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this pinpoints the species. > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything but a common name as > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground learning the basics, > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote scientific names but prefer to > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be catchy enough to sell the > fish. > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are referring to; they are one > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for Paltydoras costatus and may be > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. Incidentally, PlanetCatfish is also > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you read), as P. armulatus > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. costatus. > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate information on any one of these > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you don't need to refer to a > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a blatent error on a fish > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with most any catfish, but I > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears ScotCat is also wrong in > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks and crannies." > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped Raphael Catfish are > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as Cory's prefer -- I'm not that > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of their own species, I really > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each other, as they will tussle > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this to be the case at all; they > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a pattern with these web > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one that they deem accurate, > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the Searcher feels it to be > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of those web sites as there's no > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the difference between > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this fish be put in with much > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be opportunists when it > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all interested in animal > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial omnivore) for the most part. > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a rather large mouth) with much > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat points out as being safe > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal -- another possible error by > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a little more > > research. > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name of Striped > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG with > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and cichlids. > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions this issue. > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much more > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. costatus. > > > > ScotCat.com has http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a January > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says this... > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and crannies' > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and could do > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish such as the > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well with > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins which grow > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. costatus, > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat profile > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael Catfish > > of either of the above species. > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatf ish/ > > > > LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these sites. While > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as > > Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at least in > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the benefit of the > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on it. But > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always read the > > same stuff we do. > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish here may > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's description > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an accurate > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket statement > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped Raphael > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not need the > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with each > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their own > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most part, but > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways (sometimes > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their own > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and they both > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in the same > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as they're in > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be in this > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the species (I > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's description is > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial towards other > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, but like > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be aggressive > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years I've > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be assumed > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may display bad > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm which is a > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the > > > Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its own > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than this > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to feed at > > dusk." > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will have > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in > > shoals/schools. > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be aware > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the same > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL And > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash Hauling, > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their own > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in the > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one of > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > catfish > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have a > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of > > > hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it > > > into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I > > > probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38997	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would probably find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the "monster catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to see it since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group photo's once it's approved. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, > but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may be > a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it is > like this other species. > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well defined > as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new book is > release defining these common names, and new ones that may have come > into use since the last publication. > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > pinpoints the species. > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything > but a common name as > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > learning the basics, > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote scientific > names but prefer to > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > catchy enough to sell the > > fish. > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > referring to; they are one > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for Paltydoras > costatus and may be > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. Incidentally, > PlanetCatfish is also > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you read), > as P. armulatus > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > costatus. > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > information on any one of these > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you > don't need to refer to a > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a > blatent error on a fish > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with > most any catfish, but I > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears > ScotCat is also wrong in > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks > and crannies." > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped > Raphael Catfish are > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as Cory's > prefer -- I'm not that > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > their own species, I really > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > other, as they will tussle > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this > to be the case at all; they > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > pattern with these web > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one that > they deem accurate, > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > Searcher feels it to be > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > those web sites as there's no > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the > difference between > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this fish > be put in with much > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be > opportunists when it > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all > interested in animal > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial > omnivore) for the most part. > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a rather > large mouth) with much > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat > points out as being safe > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal -- > another possible error by > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > little more > > > research. > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name of > Striped > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG > with > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > cichlids. > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions this > issue. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > more > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > costatus. > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a > January > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says > this... > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > crannies' > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > could do > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > such as the > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > with > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins which > grow > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > costatus, > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > profile > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael > Catfish > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatf > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatf> > ish/ > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > sites. While > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such as > > > Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > least in > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > benefit of the > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice on > it. But > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > read the > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > here may > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > description > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT an > accurate > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > statement > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two Striped > Raphael > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not > need the > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association with > each > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their > own > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > part, but > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > (sometimes > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out their > own > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > they both > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in the > same > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > they're in > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be > in this > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > species (I > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > description is > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > towards other > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, > but like > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > aggressive > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 years > I've > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > assumed > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may display > bad > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> which > is a > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was the > > > > Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards its > own > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than > this > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out to > feed at > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will > have > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept in > > > shoals/schools. > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be > aware > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the > same > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. LOL > And > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. > ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > Hauling, > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of their > own > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish in > the > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got one > of > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > > catfish > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should have > a > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty of > > > > hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I put it > > > > into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal too, so I > > > > probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38998	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

Okay, thanks I will get to work on that, might have to wait till this weekend depending on how this week goes, been busy so far. I turned off all of my bubble makers in the tank to help keep the CO2 levels more stable. I also scraped all the glass off the front and sides where I could reach. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Yes, anything that adds to surface agitation will allow CO2 to outgas. You > can get an approximation of your CO2 levels by following the > directions and > chart on this page... about 1/2 down if you don't want to read the entire > article. You will need a KH test and pH test kit. > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm > <http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm> > > Test it first thing in the morning and then right before you turn your > lights off in the evening. Let us know the numbers. > > While a 24" tall tank is taller than most, your lighting shouldn't > have any > problem penetrating that depth. Since you don't have a ton of plants yet, > cut the lighting back to 8 hours for now and clean the algae off 3 > panes of > glass and see if it comes back or comes back as fast. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Oh you never answered one question I had. Will bubble decorations outgas > Co2? Should I turn off all my decorations in the walstad tank that bubble? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > You were right, I was way off, LOL. Not sure how I overestimated it by > > double ;) It's actually 2 feet tall. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess > > > anything is possible. > > > > > > If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants > > in pots > > > and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the > > lighting... or > > > you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a > > > more piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of > > fluorescent > > > light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you > > > just spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some > > > reflectors that you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL > > > lighting down into the tank better. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > > > I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just > > > have to find the tape measure). > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY > > > > well lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once > > > > again, CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's > > > > probably comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. > > > > Yes, some folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal > > > > fluorescent tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn > bright in > there. > > > It's only > > > 18" deep though. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how > > > > that goes. > > > > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so > > > > they get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night > > > > light over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > > > > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem > > > > that bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall > > > > rather) the light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so > > > > I figured I should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 > > > hours... > > > > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > > > > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six > > > > > to seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to > > > > > 4PM, when the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, > > > > > the sunlight mostly reflects off the surface of the water since > > > > > it's coming in at an angle. I kind of mimick this with my > > > > > aquariums. I turn on a small room light when I wake up in the > > > > > morning and it's on for about an hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then > > > > > around 8AM, I turn on the main room lighting and then the > > > > > aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest of the lights go > > > > > out.. unless I'm working where the other room lights will stay > > > > > on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my own schedule > > > > > varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if > > > I did. > > > > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off > > > > > the aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely > > > > > in the room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm > > > > > in there > > > working. > > > > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind > > > > > of mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, > > > > > then evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has > > > > > plants and a tank ecology that requires > > > > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting > > > > > is appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of > > > > > normal fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it > > > > > might be appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think > > > > > the 12 hours is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you > > > > > get your tank heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 > > > > > hours of lighting with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > > > > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > > > > them on for > > > > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > > > > >http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>> > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>>> > > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>> > > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> > > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>>>>> In reading what you > > > > are > > > > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a > > > > > problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the > > > > > Walstad method and could be > > > > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank > > > > > >needs a > > > > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can > > > > > start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little > > > > > different in the beginning because of your situation up there in > > > > > >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now > > > > > we have to >get things back in balance. > > > > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > > > > you've been > > > > > >posting in Diana's forum > > > > > >http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>>> > > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>> > > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> > > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>>>>> but from > > > > > what I've > > > > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should > > > > > >not be changing out so much of the water and should not be > > > > > >aerating it so > > > > much. > > > > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > > > > >levels > > > > > to be > > > > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from > > > > > >all I've > > > > > read > > > > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > > > > >nutrients and > > > > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > > > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > > > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the > > > > > >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to > > > > > bring things > > > > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > > > > >about > > > > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is > > > > > applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped > > > > > in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye > > > > > could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny > > > > > Vasbinder > > > > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > >the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > >Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > > > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > >Sent: > > > > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > > > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. > > > > > My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding > > > > > them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for > > > > > >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way > > > > > out of > > > > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose > > > > > >my > > > > > whole tank > > > > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that > > > > > >is on > > > > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes > > > > > every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down > > > > > until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that > > > > > by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help > > > > > get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae > > > > > is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their > > > > > >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so > > > > > I think the >soil has something to do with it. > > > > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > > > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't > > > > > >just rely on the > > > > > plants > > > > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > > > > basically > > > > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a > > > > > >> huge > > > > > balancing > > > > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the > > > > > >right fish, > > > > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > > > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - > > > > > thanks >> > > > > > >> Regards, >> > > > > > >> red-eye > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 38999	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting some cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the dip sticks. With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as this could very likely be the problem. Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you do have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been known to give bad test results. This is why you often see us recommending one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and chemicals to test the water. Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead of buying the dip sticks, get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the best price that I know of right now is from http://www.Walmart.com, in the Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for under $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of salt to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have your nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will protect the fish against nitrite poisoning. Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the use of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater fish do NOT need salt in their water. Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, how many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the tank been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do your filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges or properly clean them and reuse them... this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? What brand of dechlor? Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about your tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, here are my Water Perameters: NO3 (nitrates) = 20 NO2 (nitrates) = .5 Hardness = 425 Alkalinity = 180 PH = 8 More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:10 AM I'm not sure what you mean by "belly up". Fish with septicemia do not float upside down and they do not always die. Remember, in the future and for any others reading this... the first thing one should do when their fish are not acting right or getting sick is test the water. Water quality issues, often caused by overstocking issues, is probably the number one reason for fish health problems in our aquariums. If the fish are acting sick, test the water, start doing daily 25% PWC's, do some tank maintenance, etc. The fresh clean water will go a LONG way towards helping your fishes immune system get stronger so the fish can fight off things on it's own, often without the need for medications. Keeping the tank in good condition all the time will prevent most things. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Thanks Lenny, my tank is acutally due for its weekly PWC and cleaning, gravel vaccum, etc. I will test my water tonight before I do my maintenance. As tempted as I am to do a huge water change, I will refrain - thanks for using all CAPS on that one ; )   so I will give you some additional info tonight, however I did check out the Hemorrhagic Septicemia - and it could be that, but he isn't belly up. And it seems like the illness is occuring in the fish that I have had the longest. I may have to find a place to restore my old 10 gallon setup so I can break up my overcrowding on my 55 gallon.   thanks again! I will write again tonight with more details.   <3 Gail   --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:13 PM What size tank? What are your water parameters for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any other tests you may have. The fins with red streaks can be due to nitrogenous waste poisoning (ammonia, high nitrates) but is also an early warning sign of possibly being Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which is due to an internal bacteria infection. Melafix, while OK for minor things, is not going to help much with more serious things by itself. It will also not help if there are water quality issues. Remember that water quality issues are the number one cause of fish getting sick. Overstocking, having fish in undersized tanks, incompatible fish, etc., will also cause stress issues in fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems will falter, causing one or more fish to get sick. Start by doing proper filter maintenance, gravel vacuuming and daily 10-25% PWC's (partial water changes) to drastically (but slowly) improve water quality. DO NOT DO a large water change. If water quality is a problem, doing a large water change could cause as many problems as it might be trying to help. The only time one should do a large water change is in the event of a contamination of some kind of poison or toxin (cleaning supplies, air freshener, etc.). Give us the info to the questions asked above and tell us more about your overall tank maintenance schedule and we can give better advice. Remember, just because one fish is showing signs of illness does not mean all is good. A fish with a weaker immune system will always start to show signs earlier than other fish with stronger immune systems. Of course, all could be great and a single fish with a weak immune system will get sick and there may not be much you can do about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Okay, I recenly lost my 3 spot Gourami. He had a red sore on the side of his head, so I quarantined him; and treated with Melafix, shortly after mentioning it here - he died.   Now, I have my other Gourami (blue). He is sick. This one looks like his right and left fin have been bleeding. Weird. It looks like red streaks - only in the right & left fin.   I am open to suggestions on where to begin. The tank is well established and no other fish show signs of illness. This one has been quarantined for now.   Please help! Thanks, Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39000	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues an easy way to infect a fish. As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that looks abnormal? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39001	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Lenny, what's the smallest number of otos that should be kept together? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Corydoras, Brochis, etc., should be kept in shoals, preferably in groups of six or more but at least three as a bare minimum. http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm Shoal is similar to school except schooling fish will usually swim together in unison where shoaling fish are usually bottom dwellers and just kind of huddle up together when sleeping/resting. Some species will swim together in unison and there are some mid-level corys that will school. Scroll down to near the bottom of above link to the Pygmy Corydoras and you'll see this... "H - South America; Rio Madeira and its tributaries (Brazil). This fish is found swimming in mid-water in huge schools of thousands in the wild." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39002	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Well, maybe it depends on the cory. I saw in a book this afternoon that one should always keep pygmy corys in schools. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos I must have missed it (what a surprise) but why are we suggesting keeping multiple cory's? Must be a good reason- TIA Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: ottos Sounds like he did. I try to keep five at a time. I have three still living at the moment - I think. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <snippo> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39003	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at still have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be your picture. Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio liopterus&image_id=6312 A front view of a juvi. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio liopterus&image_id=381 The full profile with lots of other pics. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would probably find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the "monster catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to see it since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group photo's once it's approved. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, > but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it > is like this other species. > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > have come into use since the last publication. > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of > > Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > pinpoints the species. > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything > but a common name as > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > learning the basics, > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > scientific > names but prefer to > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > catchy enough to sell the > > fish. > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > referring to; they are one > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > Paltydoras > costatus and may be > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > Incidentally, > PlanetCatfish is also > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > read), > as P. armulatus > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > costatus. > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > information on any one of these > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you > don't need to refer to a > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a > blatent error on a fish > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with > most any catfish, but I > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears > ScotCat is also wrong in > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks > and crannies." > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped > Raphael Catfish are > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > Cory's > prefer -- I'm not that > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > their own species, I really > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > other, as they will tussle > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this > to be the case at all; they > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > pattern with these web > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > that > they deem accurate, > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > Searcher feels it to be > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > those web sites as there's no > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the > difference between > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > fish > be put in with much > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be > opportunists when it > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all > interested in animal > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial > omnivore) for the most part. > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > rather > large mouth) with much > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat > points out as being safe > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > -- > another possible error by > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > little more > > > research. > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name > > > of > Striped > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG > with > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > cichlids. > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > this > issue. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > more > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > costatus. > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a > January > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says > this... > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > crannies' > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > could do > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > such as the > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > with > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > which > grow > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > costatus, > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > profile > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael > Catfish > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > tf > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > atf> > ish/ > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > sites. While > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > least in > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > benefit of the > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > on > it. But > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > read the > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > here may > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > description > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > an > accurate > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > statement > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > Striped > Raphael > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not > need the > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > with > each > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their > own > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > part, but > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > (sometimes > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > their > own > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > they both > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > the > same > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > they're in > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be > in this > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > species (I > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > description is > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > towards other > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, > but like > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > aggressive > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > years > I've > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > assumed > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > display > bad > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> which is > a > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > its > own > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than > this > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out > > > > to > feed at > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will > have > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept > > > > in > > > shoals/schools. > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be > aware > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the > same > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > LOL > And > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. > ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > Hauling, > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > their > own > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > in > the > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > one > of > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > > catfish > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > have > a > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39004	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better picture of him ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at still > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > your > picture. > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > A front view of a juvi. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > liopterus&image_id=381 > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > probably > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the "monster > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish (talking > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > see it > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group photo's > once it's approved. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, > > but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it > > is like this other species. > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > pinpoints the species. > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything > > but a common name as > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > learning the basics, > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > scientific > > names but prefer to > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > catchy enough to sell the > > > fish. > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > referring to; they are one > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > Paltydoras > > costatus and may be > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > Incidentally, > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > read), > > as P. armulatus > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > costatus. > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > information on any one of these > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you > > don't need to refer to a > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a > > blatent error on a fish > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with > > most any catfish, but I > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks > > and crannies." > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped > > Raphael Catfish are > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > Cory's > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > their own species, I really > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > other, as they will tussle > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this > > to be the case at all; they > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > pattern with these web > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > that > > they deem accurate, > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > Searcher feels it to be > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > those web sites as there's no > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the > > difference between > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > fish > > be put in with much > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be > > opportunists when it > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all > > interested in animal > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > rather > > large mouth) with much > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat > > points out as being safe > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > -- > > another possible error by > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > little more > > > > research. > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name > > > > of > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG > > with > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > this > > issue. > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > more > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > costatus. > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a > > January > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says > > this... > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > > crannies' > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > > could do > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > such as the > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > with > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > which > > grow > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > > costatus, > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > profile > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael > > Catfish > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > tf > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > atf> > > ish/ > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > sites. While > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > > least in > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > benefit of the > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > on > > it. But > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > > read the > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > here may > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > description > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > an > > accurate > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > > statement > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > Striped > > Raphael > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not > > need the > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > with > > each > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their > > own > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > part, but > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > (sometimes > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > their > > own > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > they both > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > the > > same > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > > they're in > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be > > in this > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > species (I > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > description is > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > towards other > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, > > but like > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > aggressive > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > years > > I've > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > assumed > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > display > > bad > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these specimens. > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> which is > > a > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > its > > own > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than > > this > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out > > > > > to > > feed at > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will > > have > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept > > > > > in > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be > > aware > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the > > same > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > LOL > > And > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish poop. > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > Hauling, > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > their > > own > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > in > > the > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > one > > of > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > > > catfish > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > have > > a > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39005	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

I hope you were careful when you "scraped all the glass off the front and sides". The tank might leak. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method Okay, thanks I will get to work on that, might have to wait till this weekend depending on how this week goes, been busy so far. I turned off all of my bubble makers in the tank to help keep the CO2 levels more stable. I also scraped all the glass off the front and sides where I could reach. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39006	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

OMG!!!!!! The doggone posts in the digest are huge!!!! delete some stuff would y'all? lol Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39007	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

LOL. For groups as busy as this one. It's best to go on individual emails so you can just read the reply and then delete. I only use the Daily Digest for groups that I am not real active in and when they are not very busy. Even with the groups that I do get the Daily Digest in, it's a pain to reply to the email. You have to change the To: field to the correct group email address, then you have to change the Subject: line, then copy/paste the message you are replying to and then delete every thing else. With the individual emails, just hit reply, type your reply, scroll down to remove the Yahoo footer/ads and sometimes other non-germane stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method OMG!!!!!! The doggone posts in the digest are huge!!!! delete some stuff would y'all? lol Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39008	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > picture of him ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at still > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > your > > picture. > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > probably > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the "monster > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish (talking > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > see it > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > photo's > > once it's approved. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything > > > but a common name as > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > learning the basics, > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > scientific > > > names but prefer to > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > referring to; they are one > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > Paltydoras > > > costatus and may be > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > Incidentally, > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > read), > > > as P. armulatus > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > information on any one of these > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > Cory's > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > their own species, I really > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > pattern with these web > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > that > > > they deem accurate, > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the > > > difference between > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > fish > > > be put in with much > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be > > > opportunists when it > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all > > > interested in animal > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > rather > > > large mouth) with much > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat > > > points out as being safe > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > -- > > > another possible error by > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > little more > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name > > > > > of > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG > > > with > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > this > > > issue. > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > more > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a > > > January > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > > > crannies' > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > > > could do > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > such as the > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > with > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > which > > > grow > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > > > costatus, > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > profile > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael > > > Catfish > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > tf > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > atf> > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > sites. While > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > > > least in > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > benefit of the > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > on > > > it. But > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > > > read the > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > here may > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > description > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > an > > > accurate > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > > > statement > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > Striped > > > Raphael > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not > > > need the > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > with > > > each > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their > > > own > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > part, but > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > (sometimes > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > their > > > own > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > they both > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > the > > > same > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > > > they're in > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be > > > in this > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > species (I > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > description is > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > towards other > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, > > > but like > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > aggressive > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > years > > > I've > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > assumed > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > display > > > bad > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > specimens. > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > a > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > its > > > own > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than > > > this > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out > > > > > > to > > > feed at > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will > > > have > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept > > > > > > in > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be > > > aware > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the > > > same > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > LOL > > > And > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > poop. > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > Hauling, > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > their > > > own > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > in > > > the > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > one > > > of > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > have > > > a > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39009	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

LOL, whoops, thanks Lenny ;) I obviously meant scraped all the algae off the glass, LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > I hope you were careful when you "scraped all the glass off the front and > sides". The tank might leak. ;-) > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Okay, thanks I will get to work on that, might have to wait till this > weekend depending on how this week goes, been busy so far. I turned > off all > of my bubble makers in the tank to help keep the CO2 levels more stable. I > also scraped all the glass off the front and sides where I could reach. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39010	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Red tail catfish

So while on this topic with someone else, I was shown this article online which I thought was very funny, I wonder if it's a red tail catfish ;) http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catchfish.asp Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39011	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Whew... you scared me. I approved the pics and then I went back to the album page and when I sorted the albums by "Last Modified", I saw an empty folder and I was panicking thinking I had somehow deleted all of your pics. Then I realized you created a new folder for your 55G tank and that was the empty one. LOL Here's the first of 24 pics hosted on PlanetCatfish.com. Click on "Next Picture" till you've looked at them all. See if you really think yours is one and the same. I looked at all of your pics and I'm just not certain. Yours looks a lot like the Redtailed Catfish except no red tail and yours looks darker in the gray sections. If nobody else in this group can be sure, then you should start a thread in the "Identify My Catfish" forum on PlanetCatfish. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=377 I still think it looks like this one.. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > including his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can > get a better picture of him ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > still have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > > could be your picture. > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus > +hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio>> > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus > +hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > s+hemio>> > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > catfish) > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > probably find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of > > the "monster catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael > > catfish (talking > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > see it since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my > > group > photo's > > once it's approved. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/l > ist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > list>> > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > not to mention directly in various science courses, people would > > > not be so afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way > > > to identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of > > > fish that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > species, but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it > > > may be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > > > because it is like this other species. > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain > > > of live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > anything > > > but a common name as > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > learning the basics, > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > scientific > > > names but prefer to > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can > > > > be > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > referring to; they are one > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > Paltydoras > > > costatus and may be > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > Incidentally, > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > read), > > > as P. armulatus > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > information on any one of these > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > you > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make > > > > such a > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > with > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > appears > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > nooks > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > Striped > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > Cory's > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others > > > > of > > > their own species, I really > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with > > > > each > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > this > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's > > > > a > > > pattern with these web > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another > > > > one that > > > they deem accurate, > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that > > > > the > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all > > > > of > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > the > > > difference between > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > > > > this fish > > > be put in with much > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish > > > > can be > > > opportunists when it > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > all > > > interested in animal > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > partial > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > rather > > > large mouth) with much > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > ScotCat > > > points out as being safe > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a > > > > meal > > > > -- > > > another possible error by > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing > > > > > a > > > little more > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > name of > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > WRONG > > > with > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > this > > > issue. > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is > > > > > much > > > more > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > > > > > after a > > > January > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > says > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > and > > > crannies' > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > and > > > could do > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller > > > > > fish > > > such as the > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do > > > > > well > > > with > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > which > > > grow > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > > > costatus, > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > > > > > ScotCat > > > profile > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > infamously erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a > > > > > Striped Raphael > > > Catfish > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39012	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish

Channel cat. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish > > So while on this topic with someone else, I was shown this article > online which I thought was very funny, I wonder if it's a red tail > catfish ;) > > http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catchfish.asp > > Amber > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39013	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

This is the information that I recently acquired from our water provider. The Phosphate is barely dectable. Utility Company Nitrate NO3 2.2 ppm Phosphate PO4 ..024 ppm Potassium K 2.7 ppm *CO2 Iron *not detected Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 watts of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a higher percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your bulbs compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do not recall a 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you don't have enough plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until you can get a lot more plants to make your tank at least medium planted... but heavily planted is best for Walstad tanks... I would cut back the lighting time period substantially. When you do this, also scrape off the majority of the algae off the glass, at least the front panel and two sides. This way, the plants will start to get more CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the algae is using up a lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially starving your plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so you'll have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change the ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things such as lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of nutrients. Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number representing the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener either so I do not know this for certain but it seems to be in my head for a reason... from something I've read over the years. I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. http://www.bestnest <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> ..com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: 0.048%) Available Phosphate: 0.12% Soluable Potash: 0.08% Other Ingredients: 99.72% While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a phosphate test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate level in your tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come from a reservoir? I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water is known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the winter and early spring, before the plant life takes off again and starts using up the nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs can have high nutrient levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the Mississippi River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and storm run-off in our water... so please watch what y'all eat up there since we have to drink your flushed toilet water down here.... mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in Alaska heh. I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles in the tank too? Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39014	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one to look at? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will be found here. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39015	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Sorry, it's this one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Amber red-eye wrote: > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > to look > at? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > either a crypt or not ;) LOL > I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will > be found here. > http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39016	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Thought I'd try to separate the tanks out a little bit ;) LOL. I took quite a few pictures of my cory catfish and a few pics of my 2 glofish left (you can see my guppy fry in the background, I'm not sure if I should call them fry anymore they're over a half inch now). I'm thinking mine is just in a baby coloring and will darken in the tail and lighten on the head as it gets older, those pictures on planet catfish of the juveniles show their heads are darker and less spotty than the adults. With mine being only about 2-3 inches in size, it's obviously a baby if it's a red tail catfish. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > Whew... you scared me. I approved the pics and then I went back to the > album page and when I sorted the albums by "Last Modified", I saw an empty > folder and I was panicking thinking I had somehow deleted all of your > pics. > Then I realized you created a new folder for your 55G tank and that > was the > empty one. LOL > > Here's the first of 24 pics hosted on PlanetCatfish.com. Click on "Next > Picture" till you've looked at them all. See if you really think yours is > one and the same. I looked at all of your pics and I'm just not certain. > Yours looks a lot like the Redtailed Catfish except no red tail and yours > looks darker in the gray sections. If nobody else in this group can be > sure, then you should start a thread in the "Identify My Catfish" forum on > PlanetCatfish. > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=377 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?image_id=377> > > I still think it looks like this one.. > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/> > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark color > as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > now ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > > including his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can > > get a better picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > still have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > > > could be your picture. > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus> > > +hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus> > > +hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalu> > > s+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > probably find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of > > > the "monster catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael > > > catfish (talking > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > see it since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my > > > group > > photo's > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/l > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/l> > > ist > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/> > > list> > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/> > > list > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/> > > list>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > not to mention directly in various science courses, people would > > > > not be so afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way > > > > to identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of > > > > fish that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > species, but the differences that make this so may not be external > differences. > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it > > > > may be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > > > > because it is like this other species. > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain > > > > of live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > anything > > > > but a common name as > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > scientific > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can > > > > > be > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > read), > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > you > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make > > > > > such a > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > with > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > appears > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > nooks > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > Cory's > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others > > > > > of > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with > > > > > each > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > this > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's > > > > > a > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another > > > > > one that > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that > > > > > the > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all > > > > > of > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > the > > > > difference between > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > > > > > this fish > > > > be put in with much > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish > > > > > can be > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > all > > > > interested in animal > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > partial > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > rather > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > ScotCat > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a > > > > > meal > > > > > -- > > > > another possible error by > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing > > > > > > a > > > > little more > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > name of > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > WRONG > > > > with > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is > > > > > > much > > > > more > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>> > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > > > > > > after a > > > > January > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > says > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > and > > > > crannies' > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > and > > > > could do > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller > > > > > > fish > > > > such as the > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do > > > > > > well > > > > with > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > which > > > > grow > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > about P. > > > > costatus, > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > > > > > > ScotCat > > > > profile > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > infamously erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a > > > > > > Striped Raphael > > > > Catfish > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/ > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39017	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish

That is the elusive, and thought to be extinct, Elstupidus catfishus. ;-) It would have made good eatin though! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish Channel cat. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish > > So while on this topic with someone else, I was shown this article > online which I thought was very funny, I wonder if it's a red tail > catfish ;) > > http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catchfish.asp > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39018	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Use the "Last Modified" link on the right side to bring up recently modified albums. Then click on the "Last" link in the album to go to the end of the album to see the last photos added. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one to look at? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will be found here. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39019	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish

Yeah, I wonder why they let their free meal go ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > That is the elusive, and thought to be extinct, Elstupidus catfishus. ;-) > > It would have made good eatin though! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish > > Channel cat. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish > > > > So while on this topic with someone else, I was shown this article > > online which I thought was very funny, I wonder if it's a red tail > > catfish ;) > > > > http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catchfish.asp > <http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catchfish.asp> > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39020	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

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Lumen:� CRI:� 4500 85 Color Temp:� Case Quantity:� Watts:� 6500K 10 55 Product Code: PL5565 I keep them on separate times as the fixture has two ballast. You can get all you need from a place called A+H Supply http://ahsupply.com/ I did modify the DIY directions and added a glass bottom to the fixtures hood as of yesterday. I am very happy with the results and now ready to do the electrical assembly of a second hood that I fabricated along with the first :-) . If anyone decides to do this let me know & I’ll send some pics. The finish was a bit tricky but what worked the best was a spray primer with 2 coats of flat paint ( I used black) finished with one two coats of clear matte finish. You could go for that shiny glossy look but I like it better when it is not. Water stains come right off . These hoods are way better IMHO than any CF fixture including JBJ’s . Why – becase the fans used in every fixture I researched are annoying and really don’t do the trick. The DIY hood uses 3 slats with lots of air space between the slats allowing for the release of the heat. HTH Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess anything is possible. If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants in pots and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the lighting... or you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a more piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of fluorescent light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you just spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some reflectors that you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL lighting down into the tank better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just have to find the tape measure). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well > lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, > CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably > comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some > folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent > tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. It's only 18" deep though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > goes. > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light > over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that > bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the > light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I > should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > Thanks, > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room > > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my > > own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the > > room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then > > evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and > > a tank ecology that requires > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours > > is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank > > heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting > > with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > them on for > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > Amber > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > >http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> In reading what you > are > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad > > method and could be > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different > > in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and > > the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > things back in balance. > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > you've been > > >posting in Diana's forum > > >http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> but from > > what I've > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not > > >be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it > > >so > much. > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > >levels > > to be > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all > > >I've > > read > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > >nutrients and > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > >about > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable > > in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as > > I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from > > some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them > > to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my > > whole tank > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is > > >on > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > with it. > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just > > >rely on the > > plants > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> > > >>> > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > basically > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > balancing > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > >fish, > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> > > >> Regards, >> > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >> > > Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > downstairs. > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > >> >> > Lenny V. > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a > > membership to his site for > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > mentions > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method > > and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her > > own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a > > Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links > > to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39021	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

LOL. I use a credit card for the plexi tank and a 3m pad for the glass one Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method I hope you were careful when you "scraped all the glass off the front and sides". The tank might leak. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:21 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method Okay, thanks I will get to work on that, might have to wait till this weekend depending on how this week goes, been busy so far. I turned off all of my bubble makers in the tank to help keep the CO2 levels more stable. I also scraped all the glass off the front and sides where I could reach. Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39022	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method

I was afraid it would lose its formatting Try this :-) Phosphate - PO4 - .024 ppm Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method This is the information that I recently acquired from our water provider. The Phosphate is barely dectable. Utility Company Nitrate NO3 2.2 ppm Phosphate PO4 ...024 ppm Potassium K 2.7 ppm *CO2 Iron *not detected Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad method, Was:Tom Barr's method So you have 260 watts of CFL lighting which is more lighting than 260 watts of fluorescent lighting... at least 30% more and possibly a higher percentage. You would have to look at the lumen output on your bulbs compared to a 65W fluorescent tube (probably a 60W since I do not recall a 65W fluorescent bulb). With that much lighting, if you don't have enough plants, then yes, algae will become a problem. Until you can get a lot more plants to make your tank at least medium planted... but heavily planted is best for Walstad tanks... I would cut back the lighting time period substantially. When you do this, also scrape off the majority of the algae off the glass, at least the front panel and two sides. This way, the plants will start to get more CO2 and nutrients. If you have a ton of algae, the algae is using up a lot of the nutrients and CO2 and could be partially starving your plants. I don't know an exact formula for your right now so you'll have to experiment with the lighting, nutrient level and CO2 level until you get the right balance for your tank and then as you change the ecology, that is, add more plants, you'll have to increase things such as lighting to keep things in balance. You probably have plenty of nutrients. Remember that nitrates is only one of the nutrients that your soil is releasing. If you look at your original packaging for your soil, it probably mentioned phosphates and other plant nutrients. Usually, there's a three number label on soils with each number representing the percentage of each nutrient. I'm not a gardener either so I do not know this for certain but it seems to be in my head for a reason... from something I've read over the years. I did a quick Yahoo Shopping search and found this example. http://www.bestnest <http://www.bestnest <http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> ..com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01> ...com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=COS-POT-PRO-01 You'll see the numbers 8-12-8 which translates into this: Guaranteed Analysis: 0.08-0.12-0.08 Total Nitrogen: 0.08% (ammoniacal nitrogen: 0.032%, nitrate nitrogen: 0.048%) Available Phosphate: 0.12% Soluable Potash: 0.08% Other Ingredients: 99.72% While we can easily test for ammonia and nitrate, do you have a phosphate test kit? Does your LFS? I'd be curious as to the phosphate level in your tank water... and tap water. Does your tap water come from a reservoir? I'm presuming it does up there on your Alaskan Island. Reservoir water is known to have elevated levels of nutrients, especially in the winter and early spring, before the plant life takes off again and starts using up the nutrients. In flatland farming areas, reservoirs can have high nutrient levels due to farm fertilizer run-off. Down here in N'Awlins, our liquid brick water comes from the Mississippi River where we get 20+ States industrial pollution and storm run-off in our water... so please watch what y'all eat up there since we have to drink your flushed toilet water down here.... mmmmmm.. yummy! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:32 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method Normally I do weekly 25% PWC'S and filter cleaning. I was just starting to do more water changes this week as another option. My fish store is out of plants right now too. They should get more in later this week. Its hard to fill a 125gallon tank out of a 20 gallon from the fish store LOL. Wish they had bigger tanks at least for the plant tank hehe. I do want to get some more easy to grow plants though. My lighting is 4 cfl bulbs all of them are 65 watts. I have one bright daylight and 3 full spectrum. The tank also gets about an hour of afternoon "sun" but that's not much here in Alaska heh. I will keep the tank fuller so there is less water movements out of the HOB filter. Should I turn off any decorations that create bubbles in the tank too? Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the >http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. In reading what you are saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad method and could be >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get things back in balance. > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if you've been >posting in Diana's forum >http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ but from what I've >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not be >changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it so much. >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 levels to be >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all I've read >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low nutrients and low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked about out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my whole tank >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is on my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do with it. >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to balance >everything, but I also have filters running I don't just rely on the plants >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but basically >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge balancing >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right fish, with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank downstairs. Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a membership to his site for $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > <http://www.plantedt >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met >> <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba >> rr-met> >> h> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> mentions that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html >> <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html>> >> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> >> > >> > It seems that either work. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. >> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> >> blogspot.com> >> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >> > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >> > Year, >> Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of red-eye >> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method >> > >> > Anyone here tried the Tom Barr method for lush aquatic plant growth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > red-eye > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39023	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Looks like a crypt to me. Are the roots sort of in a “J” shape like for the one in the pic? Sometimes they do not want to stay put! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Sorry, it's this one. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 6621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmo de=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Amber red-eye wrote: > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > to look > at? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > either a crypt or not ;) LOL > I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will > be found here. > http://groups. > <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39024	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Yes, a bit like a J shape I suppose, I covered it in gravel to keep it in spot ;) hehe. I've never had it melt on me, guess I got lucky, but it's hardy and nice growing plant in my 125 gallon (it's huge now, one of my bigger plants in the tank). Amber red-eye wrote: > > Looks like a crypt to me. Are the roots sort of in a “J” shape like > for the > one in the pic? Sometimes they do not want to stay put! > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Sorry, it's this one. > http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599> > 6621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmo > de=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc > > Amber > > red-eye wrote: > > > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > > to look > > at? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > > either a crypt or not ;) LOL > > I just posted the pic to the group, so as soon as it's accepted it will > > be found here. > > http://groups. > > <http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups. > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39025	From: anne carrera	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Red tail catfish

No like the article read its a flathead catfish --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Red tail catfish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:32 PM So while on this topic with someone else, I was shown this article online which I thought was very funny, I wonder if it's a red tail catfish ;) http://www.snopes com/photos/ animals/catchfis h.asp Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39026	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Red-Eye, Did you pick your Yahoo ID and sig name after the Fox News Channel late night comedy show? If you don't know what I'm talking about, check it out. I love that show. Much better than any other late night comedy show. Sometimes, they push the limits which is probably why Fox News puts them on at 2AM Central Time... well that and the fact that Fox News replays their entire Prime Time lineup again so 2AM is the next available time slot. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Looks like a crypt to me. Are the roots sort of in a "J" shape like for the one in the pic? Sometimes they do not want to stay put! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Sorry, it's this one. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 6621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmo de=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Amber red-eye wrote: > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > to look at? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as > soon as it's accepted it will be found here. > http://groups. > <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39027	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

Nope - actually at the time I got on the web which was the early 80's I was breeding red- eyed tree frogs. I did not know at the time that it had any meaning other than the anuran in these pictures From goggle http://tinyurl.com/dajxq5 Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Red-Eye, Did you pick your Yahoo ID and sig name after the Fox News Channel late night comedy show? If you don't know what I'm talking about, check it out. I love that show. Much better than any other late night comedy show. Sometimes, they push the limits which is probably why Fox News puts them on at 2AM Central Time... well that and the fact that Fox News replays their entire Prime Time lineup again so 2AM is the next available time slot. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:13 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Looks like a crypt to me. Are the roots sort of in a "J" shape like for the one in the pic? Sometimes they do not want to stay put! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Sorry, it's this one. http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 6621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmo de=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Amber red-eye wrote: > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > to look at? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as > soon as it's accepted it will be found here. > http://groups. > <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39028	From: red-eye	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: Plant identification

In fact I remember when dial up first became available. There was a program you needed in order to even get on the web, I think it was ppp or something close to that. If you did not have a friend who had it , you were out of luck, not even the phone companies initially had them available now they are happy to put it on your cell phone LOL Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Red-Eye, Did you pick your Yahoo ID and sig name after the Fox News Channel late night comedy show? If you don't know what I'm talking about, check it out. I love that show. Much better than any other late night comedy show. Sometimes, they push the limits which is probably why Fox News puts them on at 2AM Central Time... well that and the fact that Fox News replays their entire Prime Time lineup again so 2AM is the next available time slot. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:13 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Looks like a crypt to me. Are the roots sort of in a "J" shape like for the one in the pic? Sometimes they do not want to stay put! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:02 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Plant identification Sorry, it's this one. http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/147599 6621/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/1475996621/view?picmo de=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Amber red-eye wrote: > > Amber can you tell me which of the 50 plus pictures is the right one > to look at? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Plant identification > > Can someone please tell me if I'm right and the plant that I have is > either a crypt or not ;) LOL I just posted the pic to the group, so as > soon as it's accepted it will be found here. > http://groups. > <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39029	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

Hi, How old is your tank and what all have you tried to get rid of Aiptasia? Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruce cohen Sent: 07 April 2009 21:28 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] aptasisas and hair alage help i am trying to get rid of the pests glass anominess and hair algae but nothing seems to work I have tried pepermint shrimp , and a sea hare but the animals are not doing the job please advise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39030	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

I bit confused here. Are you following the Walstad method? Dont think it mentions use of artificial CO2 injection in there? IMO you would be defeating the purpose if you inject CO2 artificially as I think it relies on water movement across the tank including the surface etc. Been a long time since I went through this so will have to read up on the book again. But yes, if you are using CO2 then an airstone will drive it off but if you have one of those decorations that do not churn water up like an airstone and just lift a lid to make a bubble go off, they will not have much effect. Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 08 April 2009 02:03 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method Oh you never answered one question I had. Will bubble decorations outgas Co2? Should I turn off all my decorations in the walstad tank that bubble? Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39031	From: va22_vyshys	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

Copperband Butterflyfish, as long as you don't have fanworms. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "bruce cohen" <piercedarrow_107@...> wrote: > > help i am trying to get rid of the pests glass anominess and hair algae but nothing seems to work I have tried pepermint shrimp , and a sea hare but the animals are not doing the job please advise >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39032	From: bill1433	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: How Much Time?

Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39033	From: ED	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Central Florida. Hadn't really thought about shipping as of yet. My wife and I are getting things in gear for the angels. There should be some pics from last year in the photos(Ceasar and Cleopatra). I'll get some recent pics loaded tomorrow. So far we have 2-LFS and freinds and nieghbors that are waiting for them to be big enough. About 45-cory's(2mnths) , 35-black and white angels(2mnths) , and so far about 80-marble lace/veiltails(about 3wks) , and another 40-of the same because the filter was on and she laid on the tube GRRRRR!(9-days) and about 40 guppy's , mixed in a wild swordtail mail guppy, very interesting results, No sword tail babies but very cool color variations. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Hi Ed! > > Where are you and how are you! Yes, most definitely some pictures > would be great and the big question? Are you selling and shipping > same? It would be a shame to have all of those great Cory's for yourself. Why not share some and MT a few tanks for more room? > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote: > > > From: ED <crowstarwalker@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:03 AM > > Wow all this talk of corys, We have > > about 45 babies about 1" - 1-1/4" plus of course our angel > > babies. Cripes I thought 340gallons of tanks would be > > enough. LOL. Still need more for finishing babies, > > especially tall tanks for the angel babies. It's soooooo > > awesome to see all those corys move together. Oh! Duh! > > Simple greens nothing fancy. Been hoping on the panda corys > > to lay again but seem to be missing it. "It all started with > > a simple 10gl. tank!" I need to get some of the photos > > posted. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > > > Please forgive this very late โ€�Thank > > Youโ€�.   But your current messages > > about shipping fish have again reminded me. > > > > > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some Rams and > > at that time, and as yet > > > today, they were very hard to come buy here in my neck > > of the woods.  To that end you had given me a contact > > over at Aquabid to some very nice people.  To make a > > long story short, there have been many emails back and > > fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice and very > > understanding people.  The fish are fourth coming and > > we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a bit more > > conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. > > > > > > Again many thanks for your kindness and thoughtfulness > > to me.  They are great people who care more about fish > > health and safety than they do about making a buck and have > > already become friends.  As you already know, those > > qualities are very rare these days. > > > > > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress > > <pamandress23@> wrote: > > > > > > > From: pam andress <pamandress23@> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I really don't > > like to > > > > ship. If I can sell locally, that much nicer. I'm > > getting > > > > some things in for people that come to me for > > fish. If > > > > anyone wants these, I will make a side deal and > > ship them. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > > > > > > > Pam > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > I'm going to have to start charging you a sales > > commission > > > > if I have to keep > > > > reminding you to put your Aquabid link in your > > sig. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > > are listed > > > > on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about Adolfoi > > and > > > > pygmaeus. > > > > > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, sodalis, > > schwartzi and > > > > ascher. > > > > > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and cardinals. > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > From: amber@ > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the chance to > > get some in > > > > this month if > > > > > she is interested. Not sure how I feel about > > them > > > > being shipped out > > > > > after just getting them. I might want to > > wait a bit to > > > > make sure they > > > > > are ok. > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0500 > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, hint" behind > > your > > > > suggestion? Do you > > > > > sell them? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the same time > > so you > > > > don't have to go > > > > > through multiple quarantine processes. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 PM > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > From: amber@ > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 -0800 > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of Cory > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I think I will > > get 2 > > > > shoals for my 125 > > > > > gallon tank, but they don't have enough > > Cory's for me > > > > to do this yet > > > > > at the LFS. I can get a few more and add 'em > > to my 55 > > > > gallon for now I > > > > > suppose. Then later on see what they get in > > stock. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four albinos, > > three pandas, > > > > and three Sterbas > > > > > > in my 50g. While they do eat and play > > together, > > > > during "sleeping" > > > > > > time they tend to stick to their > > species, albeit > > > > not far away from > > > > > > the other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of > > us. That's > > > > why it's a comfort > > > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:21:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get along, do > > they > > > > shoal together? That > > > > > > is, do they huddle together or do they > > remain in > > > > separate shoals > > > > > > based on the species? > > > > > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the old-goats > > don't usually > > > > hang around with > > > > > > the young whipper-snappers! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links > > to > > > > any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also > > under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:54 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and peppers, > > 3 Large > > > > Green and 8 Panda > > > > > > Cory's all currently in a 29-gallon > > tank. All > > > > getting along and > > > > > > doing fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund > > <amber@rose-fields. > > > > com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory > > > > catfish > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:00 > > PM I want > > > > to get some Cory's for > > > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after I return > > the > > > > monster catfish, what is a > > > > > > > good amount for a shoal? Should I > > mix the > > > > albino's with the > > > > > > > peppered cory's or stick to one > > type? I have > > > > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > > > > gallon right now and they seem > > pretty happy, > > > > the Guppy fry and > > > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly to the > > upper part of > > > > the tank so I wanted > > > > > > > some bottom feeders, they seem > > pretty happy > > > > so far. I can get more > > > > > > > if I should have a bigger group, > > if 6 total > > > > isn't enough, but > > > > > > > wasn't sure if having 2 different > > kinds > > > > would matter. > > > > > > > I also added media from a cycled > > filter > > > > earlier this weekend as > > > > > > > well, in case anyone is wondering > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > > when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท..ยธยธ.><((((ยบ>.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธ><((((ยบ> > > > > ยธ.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธ. , > > .ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท..><((((ยบ> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > <ยบ((((><.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธ<ยบ((((><ยธ.ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธ. > > > > , > > .ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท..<ยบ((((><ยทยà¸"ยฏ`ยท.ยธยธ. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter. > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > > instead of > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > > option by > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > > page.ย  > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > > posts at a > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > > able to > > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39034	From: red-eye	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method

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These hoods are way better IMHO than any CF fixture including JBJ’s . Why – becase the fans used in every fixture I researched are annoying and really don’t do the trick. The DIY hood uses 3 slats with lots of air space between the slats allowing for the release of the heat. HTH Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method You need to measure it. I seriously doubt it's 4' tall but I guess anything is possible. If it really is that deep, then you will need to plant your plants in pots and on shelves to raise them off the bottom, closer to the lighting... or you would have to go with LED or Metal Halide lighting which is a more piercing light rather than a diffused light that comes off of fluorescent light bulbs. I know this isn't something you want to hear after you just spent a few nickels on your CFL lighting. There may be some reflectors that you could make or buy that might help direct the CFL lighting down into the tank better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method I think it's 4 feet deep, I can double check that though, LOL. (just have to find the tape measure). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > How deep is your tank? I can't imagine your tank not being VERY well > lit with 260 watts of CFL lighting. That's over 2WPG but once again, > CFL's are much brighter than regular fluorescent so it's probably > comparable to 3WPG of normal fluorescent tube lighting. Yes, some > folks have even more but I only have 1.5WPG of normal fluorescent > tubes on my brightest tank and it's pretty darn bright in there. It's only 18" deep though. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Walstad Method, Was: Tom Barr's method > > Okay Lenny I will set the timer to 7 or 8 hours then and see how that > goes. > The window faces the tank so the room is lighted from outside so they > get a good dawn/dusk environment already, and I have a night light > over the tank (with a blue led lighting). > I never thought I had intense lighting because it doesn't seem that > bright in the tank, and with as deep as the tank is (tall rather) the > light has to penetrate further to reach my plants, so I figured I > should leave it on longer, LOL. Guess I was wrong ;) > > Thanks, > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > I would DEFINITELY lower the time... probably to no more than 8 hours... > > possibly even less. Read on. > > > > Think about nature. Underwater plants really only get about six to > > seven hours of good lighting each day.. from around 9AM to 4PM, when > > the sun is mostly overhead. Before 9AM and after 4PM, the sunlight > > mostly reflects off the surface of the water since it's coming in at > > an angle. I kind of mimick this with my aquariums. I turn on a small > > room light when I wake up in the morning and it's on for about an > > hour, from 7AM to 8AM. Then around 8AM, I turn on the main room > > lighting and then the aquarium lighting goes on at 9AM when the rest > > of the lights go out.. unless I'm working where the other room > > lights will stay on. Sometimes I have to vary this schedule if my > > own schedule varies. I do not have timers but it would be best if I did. > > Then, around 6PM, I turn on the main room lighting and turn off the > > aquarium lighting and by 7-8PM, it's lights out completely in the > > room except for maybe my TV and computer monitor if I'm in there working. > > My aquarium room is also my home office. ;-) This schedule kind of > > mimicks dawn, early morning lighting, then full daylight, then > > evening lighting, then dusk/darkness. Unless someone has plants and > > a tank ecology that requires > > 12 hours of lighting, I simply DO NOT think that much lighting is > > appropriate... maybe if there was only 1 watt per gallon of normal > > fluorescent tubes and the plants needed more, then it might be > > appropriate but with your intensive lighting, I think the 12 hours > > is a BIG part of your algae problem. Even, once you get your tank > > heavily planted, I DO NOT think you will need 12 hours of lighting > > with the kind of intense lighting that you have. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > > > > Oops forgot to say how long the lights are on. I've been keeping > > them on for > > 12 hours but I can lower that if need be. > > > > Amber > > > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >Actually, Amber, you should go back and re-read the > > >http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html. > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html.>> In reading what you > are > > saying >(and I didn't realize your algae had become such a problem) > > some of what you >may be doing is contradictory to the Walstad > > method and could be > > >contributing to the algae. > >Remember that a planted tank needs a > > balance of nutrients, lighting and CO2, >otherwise algae can start > > becoming a problem. I know you had to do things a >little different > > in the beginning because of your situation up there in >Alaska and > > the unavailability of planted tank substrate but now we have to >get > > things back in balance. > > > >I'm certainly no expert on the Walstad tank and I'm not sure if > > you've been > > >posting in Diana's forum > > >http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> > > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/ > <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticp <http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/> lantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/>> but from > > what I've > > >read and recall, in the case of your Walstad tank, you should not > > >be changing out so much of the water and should not be aerating it > > >so > much. > > >You may be lowering the nutrients too much and causing the CO2 > > >levels > > to be > > >too low. I'm not sure this is the problem but I do know from all > > >I've > > read > > >that there must be balance. > >If you are going to have low > > >nutrients and > > low CO2, then you should have a >much shorter lighting period, > > especially considering that you have a LOT of >lighting on that > > tank... right? You didn't mention if you were limiting the >lighting > > or not. You may also simply need a LOT more plants to bring things > > >into balance and to starve the algae, which I know we've talked > > >about > > out >here before. > >I'm not sure if any of the above is applicable > > in your case but these are >some thoughts that popped in my head as > > I was re-reading your post. I >figured red-eye could benefit from > > some of this discussion as well. > >Lenny Vasbinder > > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > >-----Original > > Message----- >From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: > > Re: [AquaticLife] Tom Barr's method > >No, that's about right. My > > problem was that most of the plants I got melted >when adding them > > to my tank (crypts and a few swords) so I had to wait for >them to > > regrow, in the meantime the black beard algae got way out of > > >control, now I'm not sure how to get rid of it except to dose my > > whole tank > > >with hydrogen peroxide, and I'm unsure as to just how safe that is > > >on > > my >plants. I have instead been doing 10% or so water changes every > > day this >week to see if I can get my nitrates back down until my > > little plants can >get much bigger ;) I'm hoping that by lowering my > > nitrates down close to >zero that it will help get rid of the black > > beard algae. Apparently black >beard algae is very prevalent in town > > as the LFS has it in all of their >tanks too. Odd thing is that it's > > only in the walstad tank, so I think the >soil has something to do > > with it. > > >The walstad tank has a lot to do with having enough plants to > > >balance everything, but I also have filters running I don't just > > >rely on the > > plants > > >to oxygenate the water for the fish. > >Amber > >red-eye wrote: >> > > >>> > > Thanks for the heads up. Correct me if I am wrong Amber but > > basically > > >> her method depends on soil substrate & what I would call a huge > > balancing > > >act. >> She indicates to pack the tank with plants, add the right > > >fish, > > with >> low light accompanied by natural sunlight. >> >> Am I > > missing something Amber - I really appreciate your reply - thanks >> > > >> Regards, >> > > >> red-eye >> >> _____ >> >> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > >> > > Sent: > > Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:49 AM >> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Tom Barr's method >> >> I have a walstad tank for my 125 gallon tank > > downstairs. > > Other than >> algae, I like how everything grows nicely. Just be > > prepared to have to >> battle algae more than normal ;) >> >> Amber > >> >> > Lenny V. > > aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > I don't recall hearing of this before > > now, although I may have read >> > something about it in the past. I > > just did a Google and saw his >> > website where he sells a > > membership to his site for > > $79.95 or a >> > trial membership for $12.95. Sorry... too many > > EXCELLENT websites >> > and forums that are free but I have nothing > > against someone trying >> > to sell their knowledge/service. I just > > wish I could get a couple of >> > nickels for mine. ;-) >> > >> > In > > reading this thread >> > http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth >> > > > <http://www.plantedt >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> rr-met >> > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedt <http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba> ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-ba > > > > > >> > > rr-met> >> h> > > ank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/82524-non-co2-tom-barr-meth> >> > > > od.html on a FREE website and forum, it seems... and he even >> > > > mentions > > that >> > his method is much like the Walstad Natural Tank method > > and you can >> learn >> > her method and even ask questions in her > > own hosted forum for free. >> > ;-) You >> > can start here for a > > Cliff's Notes version of her book and then >> there are >> > links > > to her hosted forum that is all about Walstad tanks... >> > http://thegab. > > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab. <http://thegab. <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

I believe Lenny said that the nitrifying bacteria will last about 24 hours with no water movement before it starts to die off. If a tank is well cycled it won't have too much affect except the oxygen will go down, if you have live plants this will help keep things in balance a little bit, but without a light on the plants won't be producing much oxygen if any. So unless your power is off for more than a day, you're basically fine ;) Lenny can describe what to do after that ;) LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very > interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. > > Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes > off. > > Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over > stocked with fish. How long do they have? > > The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will > the good > or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water > movement? > For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter > never pumped > out and the filter bed is still under water. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39036	From: bill1433	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

Thanks Ed, If you get into shipping on the Corys? Give us a post will you? Bill --- On Wed, 4/8/09, ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote: > From: ED <crowstarwalker@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 9:52 AM > Central Florida. Hadn't really > thought about shipping as of yet. My wife and I are getting > things in gear for the angels. There should be some pics > from last year in the photos(Ceasar and Cleopatra). I'll get > some recent pics loaded tomorrow. So far we have 2-LFS and > freinds and nieghbors that are waiting for them to be big > enough. About 45-cory's(2mnths) , 35-black and white > angels(2mnths) , and so far about 80-marble > lace/veiltails(about 3wks) , and another 40-of the same > because the filter was on and she laid on the tube > GRRRRR!(9-days) and  about 40 guppy's , mixed in a wild > swordtail mail guppy, very interesting results, No sword > tail babies but very cool color variations. > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ed! > > > > Where are you and how are you!  Yes, most > definitely some pictures > > would be great and the big question?  Are you > selling and shipping > > same?  It would be a shame to have all of those > great Cory's for yourself.  Why not share some and MT a > few tanks for more room? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, ED <crowstarwalker@...> > wrote: > > > > > From: ED <crowstarwalker@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:03 AM > > > Wow all this talk of corys, We have > > > about 45 babies about 1" - 1-1/4" plus of course > our angel > > > babies. Cripes I thought 340gallons of tanks > would be > > > enough. LOL. Still need more for finishing > babies, > > > especially tall tanks for the angel babies. It's > soooooo > > > awesome to see all those corys move together. Oh! > Duh! > > > Simple greens nothing fancy. Been hoping on the > panda corys > > > to lay again but seem to be missing it. "It all > started with > > > a simple 10gl. tank!" I need to get some of the > photos > > > posted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > > > > > Please forgive this very late > р╣ВтВмя┐╜Thank > > > Youр╣ВтВмя┐╜.┬а┬а┬аBut your > current messages > > > about shipping fish have again reminded me. > > > > > > > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some > Rams and > > > at that time, and as yet > > > > today, they were very hard to come buy here > in my neck > > > of the woods.┬а To that end you had given me a > contact > > > over at Aquabid to some very nice people.┬а To > make a > > > long story short, there have been many emails > back and > > > fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice > and very > > > understanding people.┬а The fish are fourth > coming and > > > we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a > bit more > > > conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. > > > > > > > > Again many thanks for your kindness and > thoughtfulness > > > to me.┬а They are great people who care more > about fish > > > health and safety than they do about making a > buck and have > > > already become friends.┬а As you already know, > those > > > qualities are very rare these days. > > > > > > > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress > > > <pamandress23@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: pam andress > <pamandress23@> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I > really don't > > > like to > > > > > ship. If I can sell locally, that much > nicer. I'm > > > getting > > > > > some things in for people that come to > me for > > > fish. If > > > > > anyone wants these, I will make a side > deal and > > > ship them. > > > > > > > > > >┬а > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > >┬а > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to have to start charging you > a sales > > > commission > > > > > if I have to keep > > > > > reminding you to put your Aquabid link > in your > > > sig. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply > > > are listed > > > > > on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under > > > Archives > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about > Adolfoi > > > and > > > > > pygmaeus. > > > > > > > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, > sodalis, > > > schwartzi and > > > > > ascher. > > > > > > > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and > cardinals. > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > From: amber@ > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the > chance to > > > get some in > > > > > this month if > > > > > > she is interested. Not sure how I > feel about > > > them > > > > > being shipped out > > > > > > after just getting them. I might > want to > > > wait a bit to > > > > > make sure they > > > > > > are ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 > -0500 > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal > of Cory > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, > hint" behind > > > your > > > > > suggestion? Do you > > > > > > sell them? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the > same time > > > so you > > > > > don't have to go > > > > > > through multiple quarantine > processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the > right side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 > PM > > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal > of Cory > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > From: amber@ > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 > -0800 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal > of Cory > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I > think I will > > > get 2 > > > > > shoals for my 125 > > > > > > gallon tank, but they don't have > enough > > > Cory's for me > > > > > to do this yet > > > > > > at the LFS. I can get a few more > and add 'em > > > to my 55 > > > > > gallon for now I > > > > > > suppose. Then later on see what > they get in > > > stock. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four > albinos, > > > three pandas, > > > > > and three Sterbas > > > > > > > in my 50g. While they do eat > and play > > > together, > > > > > during "sleeping" > > > > > > > time they tend to stick to > their > > > species, albeit > > > > > not far away from > > > > > > > the other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, > every one of > > > us. That's > > > > > why it's a comfort > > > > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily > Kimbrough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 > 7:21:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > Shoal of > > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get > along, do > > > they > > > > > shoal together? That > > > > > > > is, do they huddle together > or do they > > > remain in > > > > > separate shoals > > > > > > > based on the species? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the > old-goats > > > don't usually > > > > > hang around with > > > > > > > the young whipper-snappers! > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com (Links > > > to > > > > > any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are > listed on > > > the right > > > > > side, > > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > and also > > > under > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 > 5:54 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > Shoal of > > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and > peppers, > > > 3 Large > > > > > Green and 8 Panda > > > > > > > Cory's all currently in a > 29-gallon > > > tank. All > > > > > getting along and > > > > > > > doing fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber > Berglund > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund > > > <amber@rose-fields. > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > Shoal of > > > Cory > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, > 2009, 5:00 > > > PM I want > > > > > to get some Cory's for > > > > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after > I return > > > the > > > > > monster catfish, what is a > > > > > > > > good amount for a shoal? > Should I > > > mix the > > > > > albino's with the > > > > > > > > peppered cory's or stick > to one > > > type? I have > > > > > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > > > > > gallon right now and > they seem > > > pretty happy, > > > > > the Guppy fry and > > > > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly > to the > > > upper part of > > > > > the tank so I wanted > > > > > > > > some bottom feeders, > they seem > > > pretty happy > > > > > so far. I can get more > > > > > > > > if I should have a > bigger group, > > > if 6 total > > > > > isn't enough, but > > > > > > > > wasn't sure if having 2 > different > > > kinds > > > > > would matter. > > > > > > > > I also added media from > a cycled > > > filter > > > > > earlier this weekend as > > > > > > > > well, in case anyone is > wondering > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING > below it > > > when > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > > р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч..р╕вр╕Шр╕вр╕Ш.><((((р╕вр╕Ъ>.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Шр╕вр╕Ш.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Ш><((((р╕вр╕Ъ> > > > > > > р╕вр╕Ш.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Ш. > , > > > > .р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч..><((((р╕вр╕Ъ> > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, > DELETE all TEXT > > > that is > > > > > NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the > > > TOPIC of > > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > > <р╕вр╕Ъ((((><.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Шр╕вр╕Ш.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Ш<р╕вр╕Ъ((((><р╕вр╕Ш.р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Ш. > > > > > , > > > > .р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч..<р╕вр╕Ъ((((><р╕вр╕Чр╕вр╕"р╕вр╕П`р╕вр╕Ч.р╕вр╕Шр╕вр╕Ш. > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP > in this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups > emails, > > > instead of > > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery > > > option by > > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > > > page.р╕в┬а > > > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > > > to receive the digest, which includes > up to 25 > > > posts at a > > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will > still be > > > able to > > > > > read messages on the group and post > replies. > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > р╕в┬а р╕в┬а mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Шр╕Ш.><((((р╕Ъ>..р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Шр╕Ш.р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Ш><((((р╕Ъ> > > > р╕Ш.р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Ш. , > > > > .р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч..><((((р╕Ъ> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <р╕Ъ((((><.р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Шр╕Ш..р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Ш<р╕Ъ((((><р╕Ш.р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Ш. > > > , > .р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч..<р╕Ъ((((><р╕Чр╕"р╕П`р╕Ч.р╕Шр╕Ш. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page.┬а > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39037	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

I personally think it is a bad suggestion to suggest someone a fish that they cannot cater for long term without knowing what their setup is and how mature the tank is. I have seen many people go after copperband butterfly only to realise that it does not feed on anything thats not live and eventually either starves itself to death or does not get enough nutrition and suffers and dies. It would be worth discarding those live rock that have aiptasia on rather than go for a copperband butterfly. Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of va22_vyshys Sent: 08 April 2009 12:40 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: aptasisas and hair alage Copperband Butterflyfish, as long as you don't have fanworms. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "bruce cohen" <piercedarrow_107@...> wrote: > > help i am trying to get rid of the pests glass anominess and hair algae but nothing seems to work I have tried pepermint shrimp , and a sea hare but the animals are not doing the job please advise > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39038	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: just a few things

So far so good. Both Otto that I have are still alive. They have survived a partial water change. Thank God for that. the plants I put in the tank are starting to root. have them stuck in the gravel. I am happy that my cats who love to eat plants are leaving them alone. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39039	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

I went without power for 14 days after Hurricane Katrina and then five weeks before I could do a normal PWC. I'm sure we (me and the fish) could have gone longer but I'm glad we didn't have to. Read my blog article for details of how me and all my fish made it. The short answer is that if the power goes out and it looks like it's going to be off more than a few minutes, unplug your filter system and everything else. Then take the filter media and clean any excess detritus off of it (the same we normally clean our filter media in some removed tank water). Then float the media in the tank. This will help keep the water cycled and keep some of your nitrifying bacteria alive. Dump the dirty water in your filter reservoir. This is one of the most dangerous things. After an hour or so, with no oxygenated water running through the filter, all of the bacteria that were eating fish poop, converting ammonia, etc., start to die and that water starts to turn VERY FOUL. Believe me, if you don't empty that water and then you open your canister after a day, be ready for SKUNK HEAVEN. Read my blog article for more details and further instructions... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/search/label/Hurricane%20Katrina Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39040	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

NOPE.. just an hour or two without oxygenated water flowing through the filter. How long can you hold your breath? ;-) I just sent a longer answer with a link to my Hurricane Katrina blog article. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? I believe Lenny said that the nitrifying bacteria will last about 24 hours with no water movement before it starts to die off. If a tank is well cycled it won't have too much affect except the oxygen will go down, if you have live plants this will help keep things in balance a little bit, but without a light on the plants won't be producing much oxygen if any. So unless your power is off for more than a day, you're basically fine ;) Lenny can describe what to do after that ;) LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very > interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. > > Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes > off. > > Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over > stocked with fish. How long do they have? > > The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will > the good > or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water > movement? > For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter > never pumped > out and the filter bed is still under water. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39041	From: gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

I don't see anything abnormal (externally)on my fish; however, I think I have seen my CAE and one of my Rosy barbs flashing on an object or rocks in my tank. Thanks & best Regards, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:26 PM Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues an easy way to infect a fish. As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that looks abnormal? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39042	From: ED	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shoal of Cory catfish

I checked and pics of the angel parents are listed under 'ED's Fish' The black and whites are out of Macbeth(female) and Romeo(blushing).We had some panda corys that laid a few eggs but never saved them, and had something go through our tank and whipe out most of the corys in that tank(all the panda's), Didn't affect the angels or black ghost knife in the same tank. All we were doing was looking to have some beautiful fish to look at and boom eggs, eggs, eggs. So we set it up to trade for fish food and supplies. We'll see where it heads. Keep em swimmin --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Thanks Ed, > > If you get into shipping on the Corys? Give us a post will you? > > Bill > > --- On Wed, 4/8/09, ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote: > > > From: ED <crowstarwalker@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 9:52 AM > > Central Florida. Hadn't really > > thought about shipping as of yet. My wife and I are getting > > things in gear for the angels. There should be some pics > > from last year in the photos(Ceasar and Cleopatra). I'll get > > some recent pics loaded tomorrow. So far we have 2-LFS and > > freinds and nieghbors that are waiting for them to be big > > enough. About 45-cory's(2mnths) , 35-black and white > > angels(2mnths) , and so far about 80-marble > > lace/veiltails(about 3wks) , and another 40-of the same > > because the filter was on and she laid on the tube > > GRRRRR!(9-days) and  about 40 guppy's , mixed in a wild > > swordtail mail guppy, very interesting results, No sword > > tail babies but very cool color variations. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Ed! > > > > > > Where are you and how are you!  Yes, most > > definitely some pictures > > > would be great and the big question?  Are you > > selling and shipping > > > same?  It would be a shame to have all of those > > great Cory's for yourself.  Why not share some and MT a > > few tanks for more room? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, ED <crowstarwalker@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: ED <crowstarwalker@> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Shoal of Cory catfish > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:03 AM > > > > Wow all this talk of corys, We have > > > > about 45 babies about 1" - 1-1/4" plus of course > > our angel > > > > babies. Cripes I thought 340gallons of tanks > > would be > > > > enough. LOL. Still need more for finishing > > babies, > > > > especially tall tanks for the angel babies. It's > > soooooo > > > > awesome to see all those corys move together. Oh! > > Duh! > > > > Simple greens nothing fancy. Been hoping on the > > panda corys > > > > to lay again but seem to be missing it. "It all > > started with > > > > a simple 10gl. tank!" I need to get some of the > > photos > > > > posted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > > bill1433 <warrenprint@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > > > > > > > Please forgive this very late > > р╣Ð'тÐ'мяâ"â•œThank > > > > Youр╣Ð'тÐ'мяâ"â•œ.â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°But your > > current messages > > > > about shipping fish have again reminded me. > > > > > > > > > > Quite sometime ago I was looking to buy some > > Rams and > > > > at that time, and as yet > > > > > today, they were very hard to come buy here > > in my neck > > > > of the woods.â"¬Ð° To that end you had given me a > > contact > > > > over at Aquabid to some very nice people.â"¬Ð° To > > make a > > > > long story short, there have been many emails > > back and > > > > fourth and a few phone calls, to some very nice > > and very > > > > understanding people.â"¬Ð° The fish are fourth > > coming and > > > > we are only waiting on weather conditions to be a > > bit more > > > > conducive to shipping here in Northeastern Pa. > > > > > > > > > > Again many thanks for your kindness and > > thoughtfulness > > > > to me.â"¬Ð° They are great people who care more > > about fish > > > > health and safety than they do about making a > > buck and have > > > > already become friends.â"¬Ð° As you already know, > > those > > > > qualities are very rare these days. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Again for your thoughtfulness, > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, pam andress > > > > <pamandress23@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: pam andress > > <pamandress23@> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to get any sales. I > > really don't > > > > like to > > > > > > ship. If I can sell locally, that much > > nicer. I'm > > > > getting > > > > > > some things in for people that come to > > me for > > > > fish. If > > > > > > anyone wants these, I will make a side > > deal and > > > > ship them. > > > > > > > > > > > >â"¬Ð° > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > >â"¬Ð° > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:47:36 -0500 > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to have to start charging you > > a sales > > > > commission > > > > > > if I have to keep > > > > > > reminding you to put your Aquabid link > > in your > > > > sig. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply > > > > are listed > > > > > > on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > > also under > > > > Archives > > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting agassizi and thinking about > > Adolfoi > > > > and > > > > > > pygmaeus. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also get elegans, punctatus, > > sodalis, > > > > schwartzi and > > > > > > ascher. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also getting green tetras and > > cardinals. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From: amber@ > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:27 -0800 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal of > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind are you getting? hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't, but I have the > > chance to > > > > get some in > > > > > > this month if > > > > > > > she is interested. Not sure how I > > feel about > > > > them > > > > > > being shipped out > > > > > > > after just getting them. I might > > want to > > > > wait a bit to > > > > > > make sure they > > > > > > > are ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > From: GoldLenny@ > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:23 > > -0500 > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal > > of Cory > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should there have been a "hint, > > hint" behind > > > > your > > > > > > suggestion? Do you > > > > > > > sell them? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to get them all at the > > same time > > > > so you > > > > > > don't have to go > > > > > > > through multiple quarantine > > processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > > > > > > to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the > > right side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of pam andress > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:19 > > PM > > > > > > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Shoal > > of Cory > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > From: amber@ > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:13:35 > > -0800 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Shoal > > of Cory > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay based on all this talk I > > think I will > > > > get 2 > > > > > > shoals for my 125 > > > > > > > gallon tank, but they don't have > > enough > > > > Cory's for me > > > > > > to do this yet > > > > > > > at the LFS. I can get a few more > > and add 'em > > > > to my 55 > > > > > > gallon for now I > > > > > > > suppose. Then later on see what > > they get in > > > > stock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar Javison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have six peppered, four > > albinos, > > > > three pandas, > > > > > > and three Sterbas > > > > > > > > in my 50g. While they do eat > > and play > > > > together, > > > > > > during "sleeping" > > > > > > > > time they tend to stick to > > their > > > > species, albeit > > > > > > not far away from > > > > > > > > the other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, we all stumble, > > every one of > > > > us. That's > > > > > > why it's a comfort > > > > > > > > to go hand in hand. ~Emily > > Kimbrough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > <GoldLenny@ > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 > > 7:21:47 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > > Shoal of > > > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I realize they will get > > along, do > > > > they > > > > > > shoal together? That > > > > > > > > is, do they huddle together > > or do they > > > > remain in > > > > > > separate shoals > > > > > > > > based on the species? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know how it is... the > > old-goats > > > > don't usually > > > > > > hang around with > > > > > > > > the young whipper-snappers! > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > > blogspot. com (Links > > > > to > > > > > > any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are > > listed on > > > > the right > > > > > > side, > > > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > and also > > > > under > > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 > > 5:54 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > > com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > > Shoal of > > > > Cory catfish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one Albino, 2 salt and > > peppers, > > > > 3 Large > > > > > > Green and 8 Panda > > > > > > > > Cory's all currently in a > > 29-gallon > > > > tank. All > > > > > > getting along and > > > > > > > > doing fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Amber > > Berglund > > > > > > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund > > > > <amber@rose-fields. > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > > Shoal of > > > > Cory > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > > yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, > > 2009, 5:00 > > > > PM I want > > > > > > to get some Cory's for > > > > > > > > > my 125 gallon tank after > > I return > > > > the > > > > > > monster catfish, what is a > > > > > > > > > good amount for a shoal? > > Should I > > > > mix the > > > > > > albino's with the > > > > > > > > > peppered cory's or stick > > to one > > > > type? I have > > > > > > 3 of each in my 55 > > > > > > > > > gallon right now and > > they seem > > > > pretty happy, > > > > > > the Guppy fry and > > > > > > > > > 2 Glofish stick mostly > > to the > > > > upper part of > > > > > > the tank so I wanted > > > > > > > > > some bottom feeders, > > they seem > > > > pretty happy > > > > > > so far. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39043	From: Gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at least 1 year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation & Oxygen purposes. Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): Fish size 1 Blue Gourami 2" 1 Molly 1" 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" 6 Tiger Barbs 1 Common Pleco 5" 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" 2 Otos 3 Mystery snails 1 Pictus Catfish 4" 2 Emerald Cory Catfish 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" 1 Blood Parrot 3" 1 Red Jewel 2" 1 Convict 1" 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP and my pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? thanks =gail --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but wanted to > make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than 0.0ppm for nitrites > or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting some cycling > (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the dip > sticks. > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the toxic > levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as this could very > likely be the problem. > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you do have a > nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been known to give bad test > results. This is why you often see us recommending one of the Master Test > Kits that use test tubes and chemicals to test the water. > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have higher pH > water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead of buying the dip > sticks, get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the > best price that I know of right now is from http://www.Walmart.com, in the > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for under > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason for you to > be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, since you are > currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of salt to each 10G of water > when you do your PWC's, until we have your nitrogen cycle under control. A > pinch of salt per 10G will protect the fish against nitrite poisoning. > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the use of salt > since you already have hard water and most freshwater fish do NOT need salt > in their water. > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a detailed > list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, how many of each, > etc. How big are the fish? How long has the tank been set up? What > brand/model filter system? How do you do your filter maintenance? Do you > throw away your filter cartridges or properly clean them and reuse them... > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And Cleaning > article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping process. What other > chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? What brand of dechlor? > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about your tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > Hardness = 425 > Alkalinity = 180 > PH = 8 > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's not > planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And Filter > maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? I > typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have refrained > lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > thanks, > Gail >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39044	From: Chrissy	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

Get a small syringe and inject them with boiling water. It's a pain, but it does work as long as you inject it right into the mouth. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39045	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

Fish will also flash if there is an irritant in the water. If the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate or other levels get too high, I guess some fish could react to this by flashing. Occasionally, a fish will just not swim very well or get caught by the current from the filter and cause it to do a flip or something that might resemble it flashing. Occasionally, my fancy goldfish will do this when they get too close to the filter outflow. They are already clumsy swimmers and when trying to get out of the fast flowing water, will overcompensate and dive/flip down to the bottom. I just consider that clumsy goldfish being clumsy... not flashing. Of course, CAE's and rosy barbs should be better swimmers. You never mentioned why you named the subject "gill flukes"? If you do suspect gill flukes, which on bigger fish can be partially diagnosed by opening the gill cover to observe if the gills are proper colored or too pale or inflamed. Only a gill scraping and microscopic exam will confirm this. Many goldfish keepers now pre-treat new fish with Hikari's PraziPro. Praziquantel is the main ingredient and can be used to treat an entire tank for not only gill flukes but some other internal parasites. It doesn't work on external parasites as far as I know... although it seems like it should. A very small bottle of PraziPro will last a LONG time and treat MANY tanks. It only takes a very small dose... in ml's.. to treat an entire tank. I bought a 4 oz. bottle a while back and still have 3.5 oz. or more. I use it in all of my quarantine tank set-ups now. It's very mild and does not harm the fish at all. As far as external parasites go, regular salt works fine for treating most of them... possibly all of them, although some of the bigger ones do need to be removed manually once they anchor themselves into the fish. Here's a very detailed website with lots of photos, diagnosis' and treatments. The original website is gone but fortunately, the Internet Wayback Archive saves copies of all websites that are up for a long time so you can still see this website. It takes a while to open even on a high speed connection due to the archiving and all of the pics. You should save this in your favorites folder and review a lot of the stuff in this page to know more about fish health issues. http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes I don't see anything abnormal (externally)on my fish; however, I think I have seen my CAE and one of my Rosy barbs flashing on an object or rocks in my tank. Thanks & best Regards, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:26 PM Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues an easy way to infect a fish. As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that looks abnormal? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39046	From: gail	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

Sorry I called this topic "gill flukes" because for some reason I associate flashing/ or glancing with gill flukes. - when in fact I think you are correct on the Nitrates being irritating to my fish population.   thanks for the clarification. --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:00 PM Fish will also flash if there is an irritant in the water. If the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate or other levels get too high, I guess some fish could react to this by flashing. Occasionally, a fish will just not swim very well or get caught by the current from the filter and cause it to do a flip or something that might resemble it flashing. Occasionally, my fancy goldfish will do this when they get too close to the filter outflow. They are already clumsy swimmers and when trying to get out of the fast flowing water, will overcompensate and dive/flip down to the bottom. I just consider that clumsy goldfish being clumsy... not flashing. Of course, CAE's and rosy barbs should be better swimmers. You never mentioned why you named the subject "gill flukes"? If you do suspect gill flukes, which on bigger fish can be partially diagnosed by opening the gill cover to observe if the gills are proper colored or too pale or inflamed. Only a gill scraping and microscopic exam will confirm this. Many goldfish keepers now pre-treat new fish with Hikari's PraziPro. Praziquantel is the main ingredient and can be used to treat an entire tank for not only gill flukes but some other internal parasites. It doesn't work on external parasites as far as I know... although it seems like it should. A very small bottle of PraziPro will last a LONG time and treat MANY tanks. It only takes a very small dose... in ml's.. to treat an entire tank. I bought a 4 oz. bottle a while back and still have 3.5 oz. or more. I use it in all of my quarantine tank set-ups now. It's very mild and does not harm the fish at all. As far as external parasites go, regular salt works fine for treating most of them... possibly all of them, although some of the bigger ones do need to be removed manually once they anchor themselves into the fish. Here's a very detailed website with lots of photos, diagnosis' and treatments. The original website is gone but fortunately, the Internet Wayback Archive saves copies of all websites that are up for a long time so you can still see this website. It takes a while to open even on a high speed connection due to the archiving and all of the pics. You should save this in your favorites folder and review a lot of the stuff in this page to know more about fish health issues. http://web.archive. org/web/20051217 230513/http: //www.fishpalace .org/disease. html OR http://preview. tinyurl.com/ 2m83ee Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes I don't see anything abnormal (externally) on my fish; however, I think I have seen my CAE and one of my Rosy barbs flashing on an object or rocks in my tank. Thanks & best Regards, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:26 PM Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues an easy way to infect a fish. As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that looks abnormal? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39047	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

OK. Gill Flukes are microscopic and live in the gills. There are many other fluke type parasites, some microscopic, some large enough to see with the human eye. That link to Pandora's Disease Page in the Internet Archives will give you a LOT more info about various parasites and most other fish diseases. Always check out here or do more research for more current treatments that might be available as that page hasn't been updated in a while. The same page is also being hosted, I think on Badman's site, but he chose not to update or edit it either to preserve any copyright protection that might exist. I wish a competent group of folks on his website or another website would host the original site and add some new content to it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes Sorry I called this topic "gill flukes" because for some reason I associate flashing/ or glancing with gill flukes. - when in fact I think you are correct on the Nitrates being irritating to my fish population.   thanks for the clarification. --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:00 PM Fish will also flash if there is an irritant in the water. If the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate or other levels get too high, I guess some fish could react to this by flashing. Occasionally, a fish will just not swim very well or get caught by the current from the filter and cause it to do a flip or something that might resemble it flashing. Occasionally, my fancy goldfish will do this when they get too close to the filter outflow. They are already clumsy swimmers and when trying to get out of the fast flowing water, will overcompensate and dive/flip down to the bottom. I just consider that clumsy goldfish being clumsy... not flashing. Of course, CAE's and rosy barbs should be better swimmers. You never mentioned why you named the subject "gill flukes"? If you do suspect gill flukes, which on bigger fish can be partially diagnosed by opening the gill cover to observe if the gills are proper colored or too pale or inflamed. Only a gill scraping and microscopic exam will confirm this. Many goldfish keepers now pre-treat new fish with Hikari's PraziPro. Praziquantel is the main ingredient and can be used to treat an entire tank for not only gill flukes but some other internal parasites. It doesn't work on external parasites as far as I know... although it seems like it should. A very small bottle of PraziPro will last a LONG time and treat MANY tanks. It only takes a very small dose... in ml's.. to treat an entire tank. I bought a 4 oz. bottle a while back and still have 3.5 oz. or more. I use it in all of my quarantine tank set-ups now. It's very mild and does not harm the fish at all. As far as external parasites go, regular salt works fine for treating most of them... possibly all of them, although some of the bigger ones do need to be removed manually once they anchor themselves into the fish. Here's a very detailed website with lots of photos, diagnosis' and treatments. The original website is gone but fortunately, the Internet Wayback Archive saves copies of all websites that are up for a long time so you can still see this website. It takes a while to open even on a high speed connection due to the archiving and all of the pics. You should save this in your favorites folder and review a lot of the stuff in this page to know more about fish health issues. http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:03 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes I don't see anything abnormal (externally) on my fish; however, I think I have seen my CAE and one of my Rosy barbs flashing on an object or rocks in my tank. Thanks & best Regards, Gail --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:26 PM Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues an easy way to infect a fish. As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that looks abnormal? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem "itchy"??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39048	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

You can always do what I do. I have a computer UPS 500w with my aquarium equipment plugged into it. Nice thing is the fish don't notice that there's a black out and you can unplug the ups from the wall and plug it into a generator without turning anything off if you think its going to be a prolonged outage. Kinda nice having the room lit by only aquariums at times. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39049	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Hmmm - I wonder if Senator Cornyn the Nut could turn out to be good for soemthing; I'll see what his office has to say. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics According to the experts who have read the proposed bill, it would severely impact the importation of non-native species of all things... pet fish, pet birds, etc. Remember that NOBama is in bed with the left, big-time, and the House is controlled by the left-coast Pelosi... who wants the rest of us to ride bikes while she jet-sets around in luxury government jets... on our tax dollars. Same with PETA and HSUS... they jet-set around on the donations that they get from un-suspecting contributors while trying to dictate to the rest of us on how we should live... and neither group really does anything to "save" any of the pets they claim to care so much about. PETA shelters kill 90% of the animals they supposedly "rescue". HSUS doesn't even have a single shelter for animals. Heck, if I was an abused pet and I saw PETA coming to "rescue" me, I'd run out in interstate traffic... my chances of survival would be higher. I'm sure when many unknowing folks voted for "Change", they didn't expect the annual deficit to triple in size in the first year and the national debt to double in size in the next 4-8 years... but that's what happens when folks DO NOT know what is really going on in Washington, D.C.. In this case, we know ahead of time and should ALL be signing the online petitions and sending emails, letters, faxes and phone calls to the liberal congressmen/women who might vote for this bill... or be prepared to have to give up your pet fish and birds in the near future.... and if they keep up the ban on oil exploration and drilling, we'll also be giving up our cars in the near future. And then the socialist taxes on energy (and everything else) will make it MUCH more difficult to pay for lighting or filter systems for our tanks... but there's always the Walstad El! Natural! Tank http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html for those of us who can't afford the double or triple the cost energy in the near future. The good news is that China will be happy to sell us their old-style plain gray clothes, pointy rice-field hats and bicycles for us to use... as a way of paying off some of the national debt that we ALL owe them now and will only double or triple in size in the next several years. Here's the future of traffic jams in L.A. and New York... http://voyage.typepad.com/lfc_images/Peoples_Republic_Of_Cycle.jpg And the suburbs... ahhh.. the scenic route! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/248989071_616f6df494.jpg For your other questions, read (or re-read) the below posts in this thread and \\Steve's/ post that isn't in this thread. Fish... had to get this one back on topic! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I'm sure that the point of this bill is to prevent the importation of more invasive species. Is this bill really going to have the dramatic effect envisoned here. First of all how will this list be put together and if something wrongly isn't on it, can't it just be added. It doesn't sound like the intention is to ban pet birds and fish! Second, what does importing from overseas have to do with interstate commerce. Unclear that it does. Third, what amendment are we exactly supposed to lobby for? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Joe, I posted a long post about this last week but then tried to fix the subject line by deleting the original message and then reposting with a correct subject and made a mess of the thread. LOL Here is the long post that I got from another fish forum with links to online petitions to sign, etc. Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC-PA-BOT, entitled "Support needed to Oppose HR 669, A bill to block the importation of non-native species". This is the message that was sent: *************** Please be aware that there is a Congressional Hearing happening on April 23, 2009 which pertains largely to our hobby. This hearing is on the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, HR 669, a bill which wishes to revamp how species are regulated under the Lacey Act. Species not appearing on the "Approved List" could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt - possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation. A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species. You can contact members of the subcommittee by emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend the bill. You can also contact district offices to voice your opposition or request a meeting with your Representative. It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your representative at the same time. Spread the word to fellow hobbyists, friends, family, and like-minded individuals and urge them to respond to this unworkable approach which is an issue for all of us. Call, email, and fax your local newspapers or TV stations. We need to get the word out. More details can be found at the following link on AC (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.aquariacentral.com): http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188837 AC Petition : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 MFK (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/www.monsterfishkeepers.com): http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852 MFK Petition : http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230948 A group has also been formed on Facebook at the following --> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86144566696 Take the time, show your support, make your voice heard to protect our hobby. *************** All the best, Aquaria Central -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: anubiasdesign@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics ____________________________________ From: MR 2CAN To: MR 2CAN BCC: Joesbirds Sent: 4/4/2009 6:29:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Please review the attached document, which discusses the HSUS sponsored legislation to ban the importation and interstate shipment of all exotic birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish. The ban will also prohibit their breeding and in most instances their possession. The first hearing on HR 669 will occur on April 23, 2009 in the House of Representatives Regards, Jerry Jennings ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39050	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Doctor fish

LOLOLOLOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Doctor fish Wikipedia says that two species are often used at the Turkish spas for dead skin eaters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish "Doctor fish is the name given to two species of fish: Garra rufa and Cyprinion macrostomus. Other nicknames include nibble fish, kangal fish, little dermatologists and doctorfishen; in non-medical contexts, Garra rufa is called the reddish log sucker. They live and breed in the outdoor pools of some Turkish spas, where they feed on the skin of patients with psoriasis."Fishbase.org has these two profiles for the above two fish... they

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39051	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: about lights

No, but as I'm sure the other people here have pointed out, what kind of bulb you get will make a difference in plant growth, coloring of the light in your tank, and visibility of the colors in your tank. I'm sure others here have discussed the pros and cons of different wavelengths and colors. I myself use a full spectrum flourescent tube bird lamp of the right type for the aquarium fixture. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] about lights when one needs to replace a florescent bulb as long as its the same wattage and length does it necessarily have to be labeled for aquarium use? I need to get a bulb for my 30 gal hood but not sure if I can use a regular bulb as long as its same wattage and length of course Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39052	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

It's extremely hard to get otos to live. I think I'd be delighted with a stable population of three. I've heard of buying as many as ten in the hopes a couple will live. If you do get them to live for a month, apparently you're off. Problem is it's apparently hard to breed them in captivity, so they're rounded up and sent from South America, and they don't get the best handling. And they're sensitive to tank conditions. Last week I lost four of them to nto feeling well due to a virus. I only cleaned the tank every other day. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] ottos right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are the 2 I have living enough? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39053	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Thanks for telling us about this, Lenny! I do have a paid fax account, but the finances aren't unlimited, and some things one sends employers are there pages long or less. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Andrew, Thanks for the info! For those folks who do not have a fax machine and/or do not know how to configure their computers to send faxes, and/or do not want to give out their real fax number to avoid getting spam faxes, I often use the free online faxing service of http://www.faxzero.com You get two free faxes a day so if you want to fax all of the below, start now! Prepare a simple text document, up to three pages long and you can either attach that document to the FaxZero service or copy/paste it into the field provided. You do NOT have to supply an incoming fax number, only your email address to receive an email confirmation that you must click to activate the fax. They do this to prevent their service from being used by spam-bot faxers. Once again, if you do not use fax machines any longer, like I don't, you can also get a free incoming fax number, that will then deliver the faxes to your email account, by signing up for the free service at http://www.eFax.com The free incoming fax number will not be a local number in your area code but at least it will be a way for you to receive incoming faxes right on your computer. The faxes come in similar to an Adobe PDF document that are opened with the small eFax utility that you have to download, if or when you get your first incoming fax. I've been using the above two services for years and years and am happy with them. I'm sure there are other services out there as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secretserval Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â€" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... Henry Brown (R-SC) 103 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 North Charleston, SC 29406 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html Lois Capps (D-CA) 1110 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 Port Hueneme, CA 93041 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml William Cassidy (R-LA) 506 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 Baton Rouge, LA 70808 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 1032 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 Provo, UT 84601 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) Nisky Business Center Second Floor, Suite 207 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) P.O. Box 5980 Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 Denver, CO 80203 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â€" American Samoa) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) P.O. Box, Drawer X Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) faleomavaega@... Jeff Flake (R-AZ) 240 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 Mesa, AZ 85204 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) jeff.flake@... John Fleming (R-LA) 1023 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 Shreveport, LA 71105 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) Southgate Plaza Shopping Center 1606 Fifth Street Leesville, LA 71446 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml Doc Hastings (R-WA) 1203 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-4704 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D Pasco, WA 99301 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) 302 East Chestnut Street Yakima, WA 98901 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) 2107 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 Bay City, MI 48708 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 Saginaw, MI 48607 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) dkildee@... Ronald James Kind (D-WI) 1406 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 La Crosse, WI 54601 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 Eau Claire, WI 54701 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) ron.kind@... Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) 314 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) 102 Turpins Lane Centreville, MD 21617 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) 437 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) 415 Main Street Buena Vista, CO 81211 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 Colorado Springs, CO 80920 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) 237 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3006 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square New Brunswick, NJ 08901 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) 504 Broadway Long Branch, NJ 07740 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml Pedro R. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39054	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

I am about to try an experiment of making a plastic black cone to cover the aiptasia so it decides to move onto the plastic when covered (as they need light) and once it is on plastic, remove the plastic cone and blast it with boiling water outside the tank so it does not release any spores. Once sterilized, I will target the next one. Time consuming but I hope it works as all other methods I have tried have failed L Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chrissy Sent: 08 April 2009 19:49 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: aptasisas and hair alage Get a small syringe and inject them with boiling water. It's a pain, but it does work as long as you inject it right into the mouth. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39055	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Snails

Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a fish tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small snails. They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not very big. Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39056	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into plant food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and re-read the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you have. One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) LOL I just want to make sure of what you have. MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm mirrors my thoughts about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live births of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I have heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food supply allows. Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php And what they say about MTS': Family Thiaridae The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides granifera (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur in almost all aquaria around the world. The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that makes them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also makes these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them are during the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an excessive population growth of snails. Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success both in the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these snails enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought and predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, hidden in the bottom. Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the strength and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as many other predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that swallow them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great advantage for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten by a bird and expelled with the faeces. One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their parthogenetic reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one snail is needed to have more in short time. (END SNIP) Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably aren't bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like crazy in your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call Webster and let them know I invented it! LOL). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a fish tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small snails. They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not very big. Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39057	From: bruce cohen	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

what about hair algae? --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Chrissy <mschrissygil@...> wrote: From: Chrissy <mschrissygil@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: aptasisas and hair alage To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 11:49 AM Get a small syringe and inject them with boiling water. It's a pain, but it does work as long as you inject it right into the mouth. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39058	From: darlene	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

I bought 2 otos about 3 months ago and both lived and are thriving Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 8 avril 2009 16:35 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] ottos It's extremely hard to get otos to live. I think I'd be delighted with a stable population of three. I've heard of buying as many as ten in the hopes a couple will live. If you do get them to live for a month, apparently you're off. Problem is it's apparently hard to breed them in captivity, so they're rounded up and sent from South America, and they don't get the best handling. And they're sensitive to tank conditions. Last week I lost four of them to nto feeling well due to a virus. I only cleaned the tank every other day. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] ottos right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are the 2 I have living enough? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39059	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

Well luckily I have a generator. It's not automatic and will not run the whole house, but sufficient to run well pump, fridge, furnace, fish tanks, and stove intermittently enough so that living can continue. I usually turn it on if the power has been off two hours. But I did have occasion to learn that 8 hours with no power and without removing the media will not pollute the entire tank, purely by accident. The power went off at bedtime without my knowledge and came on in the am also without my knowledge. Tanks were fine, ammonia, nitrite and nitrates remained at normal levels. Don't try this at home, and I don't recommend it. But FWIW. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Dragon Hunter Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? You can always do what I do. I have a computer UPS 500w with my aquarium equipment plugged into it. Nice thing is the fish don't notice that there's a black out and you can unplug the ups from the wall and plug it into a generator without turning anything off if you think its going to be a prolonged outage. Kinda nice having the room lit by only aquariums at times. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39060	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

Was it a canister filter or HOB? Canisters stagnate faster since they are not able to outgas nitrogen gases, etc., or ingas O2. If the filter had been recently maintained, that will give it a little more life without oxygenated water. I'm pretty sure it was one of Dr. Tim's white papers, that use to be published on the Marineland site, where I read that the bacteria start to die off and the water starts to stagnate after one to two hours. Of course, in an HOB, most of the water will back-flow (siphon) back into the tank through the intake U-tube, when the power goes out, so there is less stagnant water to get flushed into the tank when the power comes back on. And... if the tank is large enough to dilute the pollution and is not overstocked or under maintained, that helps with the tank's ability to absorb this stagnant water pollution. It's best to be safe, rather than sorry, and follow the directions that I outlined in my earlier post and in my article about Hurricane survival. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Well luckily I have a generator. It's not automatic and will not run the whole house, but sufficient to run well pump, fridge, furnace, fish tanks, and stove intermittently enough so that living can continue. I usually turn it on if the power has been off two hours. But I did have occasion to learn that 8 hours with no power and without removing the media will not pollute the entire tank, purely by accident. The power went off at bedtime without my knowledge and came on in the am also without my knowledge. Tanks were fine, ammonia, nitrite and nitrates remained at normal levels. Don't try this at home, and I don't recommend it. But FWIW. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Dragon Hunter Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? You can always do what I do. I have a computer UPS 500w with my aquarium equipment plugged into it. Nice thing is the fish don't notice that there's a black out and you can unplug the ups from the wall and plug it into a generator without turning anything off if you think its going to be a prolonged outage. Kinda nice having the room lit by only aquariums at times. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39061	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails were good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the cory's when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into > plant > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and re-read > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you have. > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) LOL I > just want to make sure of what you have. > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> mirrors my > thoughts > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live births > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I have > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food supply > allows. > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > And what they say about MTS': > > Family Thiaridae > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides granifera > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur in > almost > all aquaria around the world. > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that makes > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also makes > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them are > during > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an excessive > population growth of snails. > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success both in > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these snails > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought and > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > hidden in > the bottom. > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the strength > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as many > other > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that swallow > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great advantage > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten by > a bird > and expelled with the faeces. > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their parthogenetic > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one > snail > is needed to have more in short time. > (END SNIP) > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > aren't > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like crazy in > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call Webster > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a fish > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > snails. > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > very big. > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39062	From: pam andress	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails were good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the cory's when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into > plant > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and re-read > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you have. > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) LOL I > just want to make sure of what you have. > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> mirrors my > thoughts > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live births > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I have > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food supply > allows. > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > And what they say about MTS': > > Family Thiaridae > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides granifera > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur in > almost > all aquaria around the world. > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that makes > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also makes > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them are > during > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an excessive > population growth of snails. > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success both in > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these snails > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought and > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > hidden in > the bottom. > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the strength > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as many > other > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that swallow > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great advantage > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten by > a bird > and expelled with the faeces. > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their parthogenetic > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one > snail > is needed to have more in short time. > (END SNIP) > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > aren't > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like crazy in > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call Webster > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a fish > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > snails. > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > very big. > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39063	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: How Much Time?

Two canisters. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Was it a canister filter or HOB? Canisters stagnate faster since they are not able to outgas nitrogen gases, etc., or ingas O2. If the filter had been recently maintained, that will give it a little more life without oxygenated water. I'm pretty sure it was one of Dr. Tim's white papers, that use to be published on the Marineland site, where I read that the bacteria start to die off and the water starts to stagnate after one to two hours. Of course, in an HOB, most of the water will back-flow (siphon) back into the tank through the intake U-tube, when the power goes out, so there is less stagnant water to get flushed into the tank when the power comes back on. And... if the tank is large enough to dilute the pollution and is not overstocked or under maintained, that helps with the tank's ability to absorb this stagnant water pollution. It's best to be safe, rather than sorry, and follow the directions that I outlined in my earlier post and in my article about Hurricane survival. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:07 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Well luckily I have a generator. It's not automatic and will not run the whole house, but sufficient to run well pump, fridge, furnace, fish tanks, and stove intermittently enough so that living can continue. I usually turn it on if the power has been off two hours. But I did have occasion to learn that 8 hours with no power and without removing the media will not pollute the entire tank, purely by accident. The power went off at bedtime without my knowledge and came on in the am also without my knowledge. Tanks were fine, ammonia, nitrite and nitrates remained at normal levels. Don't try this at home, and I don't recommend it. But FWIW. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Dragon Hunter Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:17 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? You can always do what I do. I have a computer UPS 500w with my aquarium equipment plugged into it. Nice thing is the fish don't notice that there's a black out and you can unplug the ups from the wall and plug it into a generator without turning anything off if you think its going to be a prolonged outage. Kinda nice having the room lit by only aquariums at times. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] How Much Time? Recently having some company over to the house I was asked a very interesting question by one of our friends that I was at a lose to answer. Looking at my 29-gallon tank they said, what happens if the power goes off. Assuming the tank is well cycled, in a room thats 72 degrees, and not over stocked with fish. How long do they have? The other question is one from me. In this same tank, how long will the good or nitrifying bacteria last in the power filter without power or water movement? For the purpose of this discussion we are supposing that the filter never pumped out and the filter bed is still under water. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39064	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Since you are also getting BN plecos, which are good algae eaters, your proposed snail population should be sufficient. And remember, you can adjust your lighting, do more feeding, etc., to keep the tank balanced. The Walstad method instructs to do liberal feeding of the fish... that means feed a LOT... so there are sufficient fish waste, snail waste, etc. to feed the plants and the decaying detritus also puts out CO2 which is also needed by the plants. Also, fish that are more active will be breathing more and then exhaling CO2 more. It's a good idea to re-read that Walstad Tank summary page http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html on a regular basis just to make sure you keep on track. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails were good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the cory's when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into > plant food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back > and re-read the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you have. > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > LOL I just want to make sure of what you have. > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> mirrors my > thoughts about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually > have live births of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most > cases although I have heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. > Most snails are opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as > the food supply allows. > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > And what they say about MTS': > > Family Thiaridae > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > granifera (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and > occur in almost all aquaria around the world. > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > makes them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It > also makes these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to > see them are during the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In > the latter case, overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have > caused an excessive population growth of snails. > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success both > in the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > snails enables them to close their shell to protect them against > drought and predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for > months, hidden in the bottom. > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > strength and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well > as many other predators are not able to crush their shell. Even > predators that swallow them whole won't always benefit from their meal > as these snails can sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. > This is a great advantage for these snails as they can spread to new > areas after being eaten by a bird and expelled with the faeces. > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > parthogenetic > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one > snail is needed to have more in short time. > (END SNIP) > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > aren't bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding > like crazy in your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, > some call Webster and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > fish tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 > small snails. > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > very big. > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39065	From: caroline	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

> > > >1 - Dubai aquarium in the Dubai Mall ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/s1600-h/1.jpg> >[] >2 - Georgia Aquarium, Atlanta ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/s1600-h/2.jpg> >[] > ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/s1600-h/3.jpg> >[] >3 - Churaumi Aquarium ><http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/s1600-h/4.jpg> >[] >4 - The Aquarium of Western Australia ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/s1600-h/5.jpg> >[] >5 - UShaka Marine World ><http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/s1600-h/6.jpg> >[] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39066	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/. <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8495157/grpspId=1705042752/msgId =39062/stime=1239235452/nc1=5689702/nc2=5170419/nc3=5349275> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

The Aquarium Of The Americas is missing... http://www.auduboninstitute.org/aquarium.html The Aquarium Of The Americas is just one part of the Audubon Institute down here in N'Awlins, including our world class Audubon Zoo http://www.auduboninstitute.org/zoo.html and newly opened AND AWARD WINNING Audubon Insectarium http://www.auduboninstitute.org/insectarium.html, which sits on the edge of the Historic French Quarter, which also happens to be the party capital of the WORLD by night. ;-) All three of the above Audubon attractions are GREAT family attractions here in N'Awlins and they are all easily traveled to, via our World Famous Canal Street and Historic St. Charles Avenue Streetcars or you can walk from the Insectarium to the Aquarium (a couple of blocks) and take the Zoo Cruise from the Aquarium, which is located right on the Mighty, Majestic, Mississippi River, up river to the Audubon Zoo, which is also located on the Mississippi River. N'Awlins is still rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina but ALL of the major tourist areas (French Quarter, Garden District, Historic Uptown Mansions, etc.) only received minor damage compared to the rest of the city so they have been repaired and up and running for the past couple of years. Come on down and help us continue to rebuild into the World Class Tourist and Historical City that we were before Katrina. OK... I earned my N'Awlins Promotion And Travel Writer points for this month! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World > > > >1 - Dubai aquarium in the Dubai Mall ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/ s1600-h/1.jpg> >[] >2 - Georgia Aquarium, Atlanta ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/ s1600-h/2.jpg> >[] > ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/ s1600-h/3.jpg> >[] >3 - Churaumi Aquarium ><http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/ s1600-h/4.jpg> >[] >4 - The Aquarium of Western Australia ><http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/ s1600-h/5.jpg> >[] >5 - UShaka Marine World ><http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/ s1600-h/6.jpg>>[]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39068	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39069	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Thanks Lenny, I won't worry about my MTS snails and I think the tank should even out eventually, I'm sure it will help that I cut back on the lighting too ;) I was going by the website's suggested 10-14 hours ;) LOL. Can't wait to see the new cory's, I think I may have a new fish addiction ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Since you are also getting BN plecos, which are good algae eaters, your > proposed snail population should be sufficient. And remember, you can > adjust your lighting, do more feeding, etc., to keep the tank > balanced. The > Walstad method instructs to do liberal feeding of the fish... that means > feed a LOT... so there are sufficient fish waste, snail waste, etc. to > feed > the plants and the decaying detritus also puts out CO2 which is also > needed > by the plants. Also, fish that are more active will be breathing more and > then exhaling CO2 more. > > It's a good idea to re-read that Walstad Tank summary page > http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html > <http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html> on a regular basis just > to make > sure you keep on track. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > were good > for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I also have > some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the cory's when she > sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her now, LOL. What > do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my MTS population > in my > 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into > > plant food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back > > and re-read the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > have. > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > LOL I just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> mirrors my > > thoughts about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually > > have live births of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most > > cases although I have heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. > > Most snails are opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as > > the food supply allows. > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and > > occur in almost all aquaria around the world. > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > makes them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It > > also makes these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to > > see them are during the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In > > the latter case, overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have > > caused an excessive population growth of snails. > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success both > > in the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > snails enables them to close their shell to protect them against > > drought and predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for > > months, hidden in the bottom. > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well > > as many other predators are not able to crush their shell. Even > > predators that swallow them whole won't always benefit from their meal > > as these snails can sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. > > This is a great advantage for these snails as they can spread to new > > areas after being eaten by a bird and expelled with the faeces. > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one > > snail is needed to have more in short time. > > (END SNIP) > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > aren't bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding > > like crazy in your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, > > some call Webster and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > fish tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 > > small snails. > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > very big. > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39070	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails were > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the cory's > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food into > > > plant > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > re-read > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > have. > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > LOL I > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not a > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> mirrors my > > > thoughts > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > births > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I have > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food supply > > > allows. > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > granifera > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur in > > > almost > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of this > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that makes > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > makes > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them are > > > during > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an excessive > > > population growth of snails. > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > both in > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these snails > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought and > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > hidden in > > > the bottom. > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > strength > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as many > > > other > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that swallow > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > advantage > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten by > > > a bird > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > parthogenetic > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only one > > > snail > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > aren't > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > crazy in > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > Webster > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a fish > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > snails. > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > very big. > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39071	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since I did not know when I would get usable water again. If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > were > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > cory's > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > into > > > plant > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > re-read > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > have. > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > LOL I > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > a > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> mirrors my > > > thoughts > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > births > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > have > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > supply > > > allows. > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > granifera > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > in > > > almost > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > this > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > makes > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > makes > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > are > > > during > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > excessive > > > population growth of snails. > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > both in > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > snails > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > and > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > hidden in > > > the bottom. > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > strength > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > many > > > other > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > swallow > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > advantage > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > by > > > a bird > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > parthogenetic > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > one > > > snail > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > aren't > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > crazy in > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > Webster > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > fish > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > snails. > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > very big. > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39072	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39073	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

I'm mostly just hoping they survive and do well. The ones that the LFS get's never live after they get here, not sure what they are doing wrong, but I don't want to buy snails from them because of it ;) I have a nice dirty tank for them to clean up, so I know they will do well as far as that goes ;) Just hope my water difference isn't too big compared to Pam's. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39074	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Just read over the food list on Applesnail.net http://www.applesnail.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3988 so they get enough calcium in their diet. And if you have soft/acidic water, it becomes even more important so they maintain good shell growth/strength. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails I'm mostly just hoping they survive and do well. The ones that the LFS get's never live after they get here, not sure what they are doing wrong, but I don't want to buy snails from them because of it ;) I have a nice dirty tank for them to clean up, so I know they will do well as far as that goes ;) Just hope my water difference isn't too big compared to Pam's. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might > be selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a > way to sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. > LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were > about 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina > related casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a > PWC. The chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with > the water so I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death > with my under feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after > Katrina since I did not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with > > my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind > > > you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. > > > ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are > > > not a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have > > > live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although > > > I have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It > > > also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails > > > can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They > > > probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of > > > a fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 > > > small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39075	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39076	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39077	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

It is in the left hand column under Polomar. Under that it says San Fransisco and under that it says reservations then rooms & suites --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:22 PM But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpal omar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading. .. like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpal omar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/ > http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpal omar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39078	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

It's in the black column on the left - 2nd choice. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39079	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

OK... it definitely wasn't on the home page... at least not visible in IE7. I started poking around and on the "Photo & Virtual Tour" page, I did see the left column with the other links you mentioned. http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_rooms.html Then down in the list of amenities, I see about the companion goldfish. Did you see the black column with "Palomar", and all of the links under it, on the Home page? What browser do you use? Did you get that pop-up about wanting to add-on MSXML? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity It is in the left hand column under Polomar. Under that it says San Fransisco and under that it says reservations then rooms & suites --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:22 PM But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading. .. like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39080	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

DebR, Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to the web page designers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity It's in the black column on the left - 2nd choice. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39081	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't let me remove it or go back to IE7. If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my room! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> DebR, Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to the web page designers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity It's in the black column on the left - 2nd choice. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39082	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Have you contacted MS about your issue with IE8? MS is actually providing excellent email tech support right now in working out the bugs with IE8, Vista, XP-SP3 updates, Windows 7, etc. Use email unless you understand an Indian accent. ;-) I just finished a week long tech support issue with an OLD computer I have, that I took out of storage to let a neighbor use, but I was having trouble installing the XP-SP3 update. I was surprised how much time and how good the tech support person (with an Indian sounding name) was in helping me. I've also seen raving reviews about MS Tech Support in some other computer related Yahoo Groups that I subscribe to and help out in. Start here... https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043&ln=en-us I think if you sign in with your MS-Passport, now called Windows Live ID, I think it brings up an option for a Contact Us page where you can type out your issue and ask for email support. If it doesn't, then the toll-free number is on the right side - (866) 234-6020 - but when you call, ask how to do email support, unless you get a tech you can understand.... hopefully not this guy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtVNc7baVxM When you go to the Palomar, make sure you bring a BIG plastic tub with you (and some dechlor) so when they deliver the goldfish in a bowl, you can transfer him to the tub and give him some more water. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't let me remove it or go back to IE7. If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my room! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> DebR, Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to the web page designers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity It's in the black column on the left - 2nd choice. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39083	From: red-eye	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

Sorry Lenny but this time I have to disagree. NYC night life or shall I say NYC clubs don't close until 10 AM Manhattan is quite a place Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World The Aquarium Of The Americas is missing... http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/aquarium.html> nstitute.org/aquarium.html The Aquarium Of The Americas is just one part of the Audubon Institute down here in N'Awlins, including our world class Audubon Zoo http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/zoo.html> nstitute.org/zoo.html and newly opened AND AWARD WINNING Audubon Insectarium http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/insectarium.html,> nstitute.org/insectarium.html, which sits on the edge of the Historic French Quarter, which also happens to be the party capital of the WORLD by night. ;-) All three of the above Audubon attractions are GREAT family attractions here in N'Awlins and they are all easily traveled to, via our World Famous Canal Street and Historic St. Charles Avenue Streetcars or you can walk from the Insectarium to the Aquarium (a couple of blocks) and take the Zoo Cruise from the Aquarium, which is located right on the Mighty, Majestic, Mississippi River, up river to the Audubon Zoo, which is also located on the Mississippi River. N'Awlins is still rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina but ALL of the major tourist areas (French Quarter, Garden District, Historic Uptown Mansions, etc.) only received minor damage compared to the rest of the city so they have been repaired and up and running for the past couple of years. Come on down and help us continue to rebuild into the World Class Tourist and Historical City that we were before Katrina. OK... I earned my N'Awlins Promotion And Travel Writer points for this month! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World > > > >1 - Dubai aquarium in the Dubai Mall ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/ s1600-h/1.jpg> >[] >2 - Georgia Aquarium, Atlanta ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/ s1600-h/2.jpg> >[] > ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/ s1600-h/3.jpg> >[] >3 - Churaumi Aquarium ><http://3.bp. <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/ s1600-h/4.jpg> >[] >4 - The Aquarium of Western Australia ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/ s1600-h/5.jpg> >[] >5 - UShaka Marine World ><http://4.bp. <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/ s1600-h/6.jpg>>[] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39084	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: aptasisas and hair alage

Hair algae is a completely different thing. We need to know the setup details and age before anything can even be thought about it. Natural predators like sea hares and urchins will take care of it but if the reason for hair algae is not looked at the roots, it will be a pointless battle. Nim From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruce cohen Sent: 08 April 2009 23:34 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: aptasisas and hair alage what about hair algae? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

Sorry... while the Big Apple might have a GREAT Frank Sinatra song with a line that says "the city that never sleeps", it can't compete with N'Awlins... THE BIG EASY!!! We have 100's of bars that NEVER CLOSE... EVER!!! 24/7, 365 days a year... and not just on Bourbon Street or in the French Quarter but all over the metro area. There is no law that says they have to close. I knew I'd be right but I just did a Google of - bars that never close - and guess what the top hit was... YEP.. New Orleans! The 2nd hit was a BBC article about guess what... the bar that never closed... not even during Hurricane Katrina. A Buffalo, NY bar did take 3rd place but guess who was in 4th... YEP.. New Orleans again! I didn't see a NYC bar anywhere on the first page of hits. Add to the above that we also allow drinking in public, we have drive-thru bars and daiquiri stands, every grocery store and convenience store in the metro area sells booze and beer... many of them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, etc., etc., etc.... and then there is Mardi Gras... the greatest FREE show on earth and it lasts for two full weeks... all that considered, N'Awlins IS the party capital of the world.. HANDS DOWN!!! And then... before and after the party, we also have some of... NO.. make that THE best food in the world. We really have it all down here... History, Culture, Southern Charm, Great Food, Great Partying, Great Family activities, etc., etc., etc.,... and we're affordable to the average family.... oh yeah... I don't want to forget the most important thing... we have GREAT PEOPLE. There's a reason New Orleans has hosted more Super Bowls than any other city... up until Katrina. Miami has tied us now and is scheduled to jump ahead of us but we'll be back!!! Before Katrina, we had over 25,000 hotel rooms within walking distance of the SuperDome and the French Quarter. NO OTHER CITY was even close to those kinds of numbers... well Las Vegas but they don't have an NFL team and the NFL will never hold a Super Bowl there due to their legalized sports gambling. OK... my cheerleading is over for tonight... LOL! So everybody... come on down. If you can't find a hotel room, you can sleep on my couch! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World Sorry Lenny but this time I have to disagree. NYC night life or shall I say NYC clubs don't close until 10 AM Manhattan is quite a place Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World The Aquarium Of The Americas is missing... http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/aquarium.html> nstitute.org/aquarium.html The Aquarium Of The Americas is just one part of the Audubon Institute down here in N'Awlins, including our world class Audubon Zoo http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/zoo.html> nstitute.org/zoo.html and newly opened AND AWARD WINNING Audubon Insectarium http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/insectarium.html,> nstitute.org/insectarium.html, which sits on the edge of the Historic French Quarter, which also happens to be the party capital of the WORLD by night. ;-) All three of the above Audubon attractions are GREAT family attractions here in N'Awlins and they are all easily traveled to, via our World Famous Canal Street and Historic St. Charles Avenue Streetcars or you can walk from the Insectarium to the Aquarium (a couple of blocks) and take the Zoo Cruise from the Aquarium, which is located right on the Mighty, Majestic, Mississippi River, up river to the Audubon Zoo, which is also located on the Mississippi River. N'Awlins is still rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina but ALL of the major tourist areas (French Quarter, Garden District, Historic Uptown Mansions, etc.) only received minor damage compared to the rest of the city so they have been repaired and up and running for the past couple of years. Come on down and help us continue to rebuild into the World Class Tourist and Historical City that we were before Katrina. OK... I earned my N'Awlins Promotion And Travel Writer points for this month! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World > > > >1 - Dubai aquarium in the Dubai Mall ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/ s1600-h/1.jpg> >[] >2 - Georgia Aquarium, Atlanta ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/ s1600-h/2.jpg> >[] > ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/ s1600-h/3.jpg> >[] >3 - Churaumi Aquarium ><http://3.bp. <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/ s1600-h/4.jpg> >[] >4 - The Aquarium of Western Australia ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/ s1600-h/5.jpg> >[] >5 - UShaka Marine World ><http://4.bp. <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/ s1600-h/6.jpg>>[]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39086	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Poor Lenny! Even when I click on the link YOU provided, I don't see what you describe, no add-ons, none of that. The Rooms & Suites item in on the left nav bar. I'm sure the goldfish is in a bowl, LOL. Someone on another forum said he would substitute a pirhana before he left. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39087	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:20 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity > > It's in the black column on the left - 2nd choice. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked > all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the > button/link. > > I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL > > Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up > blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will > somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't > allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like > for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get > hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty > site on your puter! > > I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Ransome > > Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: > > Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon > request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39088	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Perhaps they found the extra tank cleanings stressful? On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > It's extremely hard to get otos to live. I think I'd be delighted with a > stable population of three. I've heard of buying as many as ten in the > hopes a couple will live. > > If you do get them to live for a month, apparently you're off. > > Problem is it's apparently hard to breed them in captivity, so they're > rounded up and sent from South America, and they don't get the best > handling. And they're sensitive to tank conditions. Last week I lost > four of them to nto feeling well due to a virus. I only cleaned the tank > every other day. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <toddswoman496861@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] ottos > > right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 > guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are > the 2 I have living enough? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39089	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39090	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. Andrew ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39091	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Yeah. I even chuckled at - what did you call the President? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39092	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Fish certified by a veterinarian? That would be catastrophic. The importers would have to feed the otos. Can you imagine it? I just asked my two little survivors if they should have ahd to be examined by vets. They gave me that oto look and waved their whiskers. Otos are such bright little animals. Well worth trying to keep alive. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued and signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." The article goes on further to say... "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all intended imports." Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will be more. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the animals they "rescue". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@...] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39093	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It’s my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39094	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

Top left corner Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 8 avril 2009 22:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity But.. where is the "Rooms & Suites" button that you mentioned? I've looked all over this page http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/ and do not see the button/link. I did see the "Women In Touch" link but it wasn't what I was hoping. LOL Of course, the website is trying to run some MSXML add-on that my IE7 pop-up blocker has blocked so I'm not sure if the "Rooms & Suites" button will somehow be included in what ever that add-on is trying to add-on. I don't allow add-on's unless it's something I am intentionally downloading... like for an online security scan from a reputable website. Too many websites get hacked and if you add-on every thing they try to do, it won't be a pretty site on your puter! I hope the goldfish isn't in a bowl. :-( Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39095	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

Will definitely keep that in mind as I do want to go and see the mardi gras one year You can play host to a poor French Canadian from the cold north LOLOLOL Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 9 avril 2009 02:18 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World Sorry... while the Big Apple might have a GREAT Frank Sinatra song with a line that says "the city that never sleeps", it can't compete with N'Awlins... THE BIG EASY!!! We have 100's of bars that NEVER CLOSE... EVER!!! 24/7, 365 days a year... and not just on Bourbon Street or in the French Quarter but all over the metro area. There is no law that says they have to close. I knew I'd be right but I just did a Google of - bars that never close - and guess what the top hit was... YEP.. New Orleans! The 2nd hit was a BBC article about guess what... the bar that never closed... not even during Hurricane Katrina. A Buffalo, NY bar did take 3rd place but guess who was in 4th... YEP.. New Orleans again! I didn't see a NYC bar anywhere on the first page of hits. Add to the above that we also allow drinking in public, we have drive-thru bars and daiquiri stands, every grocery store and convenience store in the metro area sells booze and beer... many of them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, etc., etc., etc.... and then there is Mardi Gras... the greatest FREE show on earth and it lasts for two full weeks... all that considered, N'Awlins IS the party capital of the world.. HANDS DOWN!!! And then... before and after the party, we also have some of... NO.. make that THE best food in the world. We really have it all down here... History, Culture, Southern Charm, Great Food, Great Partying, Great Family activities, etc., etc., etc.,... and we're affordable to the average family.... oh yeah... I don't want to forget the most important thing... we have GREAT PEOPLE. There's a reason New Orleans has hosted more Super Bowls than any other city... up until Katrina. Miami has tied us now and is scheduled to jump ahead of us but we'll be back!!! Before Katrina, we had over 25,000 hotel rooms within walking distance of the SuperDome and the French Quarter. NO OTHER CITY was even close to those kinds of numbers... well Las Vegas but they don't have an NFL team and the NFL will never hold a Super Bowl there due to their legalized sports gambling. OK... my cheerleading is over for tonight... LOL! So everybody... come on down. If you can't find a hotel room, you can sleep on my couch! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World Sorry Lenny but this time I have to disagree. NYC night life or shall I say NYC clubs don't close until 10 AM Manhattan is quite a place Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World The Aquarium Of The Americas is missing... http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/aquarium.html> nstitute.org/aquarium.html The Aquarium Of The Americas is just one part of the Audubon Institute down here in N'Awlins, including our world class Audubon Zoo http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/zoo.html> nstitute.org/zoo.html and newly opened AND AWARD WINNING Audubon Insectarium http://www.auduboni <http://www.auduboninstitute.org/insectarium.html,> nstitute.org/insectarium.html, which sits on the edge of the Historic French Quarter, which also happens to be the party capital of the WORLD by night. ;-) All three of the above Audubon attractions are GREAT family attractions here in N'Awlins and they are all easily traveled to, via our World Famous Canal Street and Historic St. Charles Avenue Streetcars or you can walk from the Insectarium to the Aquarium (a couple of blocks) and take the Zoo Cruise from the Aquarium, which is located right on the Mighty, Majestic, Mississippi River, up river to the Audubon Zoo, which is also located on the Mississippi River. N'Awlins is still rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina but ALL of the major tourist areas (French Quarter, Garden District, Historic Uptown Mansions, etc.) only received minor damage compared to the rest of the city so they have been repaired and up and running for the past couple of years. Come on down and help us continue to rebuild into the World Class Tourist and Historical City that we were before Katrina. OK... I earned my N'Awlins Promotion And Travel Writer points for this month! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:06 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World > > > >1 - Dubai aquarium in the Dubai Mall ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukNToS4OI/AAAAAAAAcws/0dHm0-GwSXs/ s1600-h/1.jpg> >[] >2 - Georgia Aquarium, Atlanta ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukChY5j1I/AAAAAAAAcwk/pEQiia2W3aA/ s1600-h/2.jpg> >[] > ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukCcAaloI/AAAAAAAAcwc/k37zzF8uh9M/ s1600-h/3.jpg> >[] >3 - Churaumi Aquarium ><http://3.bp. <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukA_ge8XI/AAAAAAAAcwU/3vX1EiR9Lg0/ s1600-h/4.jpg> >[] >4 - The Aquarium of Western Australia ><http://1.bp. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAkSZ6GI/AAAAAAAAcwM/T33eTxCGO4E/ s1600-h/5.jpg> >[] >5 - UShaka Marine World ><http://4.bp. <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/> blogspot.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/SdukAZZVDTI/AAAAAAAAcwE/9DkGsLZeBj8/ s1600-h/6.jpg>>[] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39096	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Breeders are all over the U.S. and they are not longer wild caught and imported, haven’t been in years Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 8 avril 2009 16:38 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@... <mailto:secretserval%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. Andrew ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39097	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

BREEDING? No more dogs ro cats will have puppies. Uh-huh. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <joesbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39098	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

I'll leave that to you Lenny. I'm one of those Obamamaniacs - can't envision anyone frmo FOX doing fair and balanced reporting. If anyone can interest them in this it would be you. You're probably going to have to call them up, though. They get fifty million e-mails a day. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:22 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39099	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

RFOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Lenny, I can understand why you don't like Washington bureaucrats, but what can you possibly have against PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals is a perfectly fine group, with a good cookbook. T From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics In today's Practical Fishkeeping Magazine (a UK magazine) email, that I get on a weekly basis, there was an article about the UK's PROHIBITIVE fish keeping/trading/selling legislation which, in part says... "All movements of live non-tropical fish entering Great Britain from other parts of the EU must be accompanied by valid health certification issued and signed by the competent veterinary authority in the country of origin." The article goes on further to say... "In addition to the health statement the document must also list the number and species of all the consigned animals and identify their source and destination. Furthermore, importers should give advance notice of not less than 24 hours, to the Fish Health Inspectorate (FHI) at CEFAS of all intended imports." Here's the full article and only one comment so far but I'm sure there will be more. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2068 God... can you just imagine the cost of having to get fish certified by a veterinarian... and then the boondoggle that will be created when a Washington, D.C. government bureaucracy has to approve imports??? They'll kill all the fish while waiting for approval. I wonder what PETA would say then? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. PETA doesn't have a problem with killing the animals they "rescue". LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@... <mailto:goldlenny%40gmail.com> ] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:23 PM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ' Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Troy, LOL. I'm not sure if you mean I am "Right" or "wrong"... I'm hoping the capital R means I'm Right! Move over Attila! To the group, Here's an online petition that is linked to the Facebook group against HR 669. Not a whole lot of votes yet, so go here and vote!!! There are also links to profiles on each of the co-sponsors of this bill that could severely harm our hobby so make sure you also visit their profiles and let them know how you feel. Remember to vote NO since hobbyists should be against this bill. http://www.govit.com/vote/congress.aspx?bill=2009-hr-669 Does anybody know anyone on Fox News Channel that could get this some "Fair & Balanced" reporting? I've sent emails to all my faves on Fox News. We know the drive-by media is going to report that this asinine bill as a good thing, even though it will put thousands of people and businesses on the unemployment lines... but at least they'll have free gov'ment health care. I hope they like hospital food since they won't be able to afford real food. LOL I did some Googling trying to find a consolidate source for a petition against this bill but it seems every forum affected, birds, reptiles, fish, etc., each have their own. As long as someone from each group delivers the petitions, all may be OK but it's still very important for each citizen to contact their own U.S. Congressmen and let them know to VOTE AGAINST HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics That's OK Lenny. Your posts on aquariums are usually very well informed and quite useful, so I don't care if you are Right or wrong on politics. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Man... all of these nice and informative posts are making me look like a right-wing whacko who prays that the left fails in their efforts. Oh yeah, that's right... I DO! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Dora As written H.R 669 is a bill that will not allow the breeding of any animal that is not on the approved list. It will also not allow commerce between anybody for example to trade or sell each other to expand bloodlines to decrease inbreeding. An animal is on the restricted list till it is listed on the approved list. Till then whether captive raised or imported they are considered restricted. So if somebody had a restricted fish for example a pleco bred them and wanted to trade with their friend across the street for another species of pleco or the same one that would be in violation of the law as proposed. Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

WHY is somebody from Guam... Lord, I suppose they had to give her something to do. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â?" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... Henry Brown (R-SC) 103 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 North Charleston, SC 29406 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html Lois Capps (D-CA) 1110 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 Port Hueneme, CA 93041 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml William Cassidy (R-LA) 506 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 Baton Rouge, LA 70808 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 1032 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 Provo, UT 84601 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) Nisky Business Center Second Floor, Suite 207 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) P.O. Box 5980 Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 Denver, CO 80203 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â?" American Samoa) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) P.O. Box, Drawer X Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) faleomavaega@... Jeff Flake (R-AZ) 240 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 Mesa, AZ 85204 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) jeff.flake@... John Fleming (R-LA) 1023 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 Shreveport, LA 71105 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) Southgate Plaza Shopping Center 1606 Fifth Street Leesville, LA 71446 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml Doc Hastings (R-WA) 1203 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-4704 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D Pasco, WA 99301 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) 302 East Chestnut Street Yakima, WA 98901 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) 2107 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 Bay City, MI 48708 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 Saginaw, MI 48607 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) dkildee@... Ronald James Kind (D-WI) 1406 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 La Crosse, WI 54601 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 Eau Claire, WI 54701 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) ron.kind@... Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) 314 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) 102 Turpins Lane Centreville, MD 21617 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) 437 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) 415 Main Street Buena Vista, CO 81211 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 Colorado Springs, CO 80920 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) 237 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3006 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square New Brunswick, NJ 08901 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) 504 Broadway Long Branch, NJ 07740 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) 1218 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) 250 Calle Fortaleza Old San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform. shtml Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) 2307 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 Bluefield, WV 24701 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) 301 Prince Street Beckley, WV 25801 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%82%c2%a7io ntree=9 Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) 423 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform. shtml Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) 1330 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) 33 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) 104 Washington Street Dover, NH 03820 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/ webform/issue_subscribe.htm Robert J. Wittman (R-VA) 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4261 (Washington Tel. #) 3504 Plank Road, Suite 203 Fredericksburg, VA 22407 540/548-1086 (District Tel. #) 4904-B George Washington Memorial Hwy. Yorktown, VA 23692 757/874-6687 (District Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/wittman/IMA/webforms/i ssue_subscribe.htm Donald E. Young (R-AK) 2111 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5765 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0425 (Washington Fax #) 101 12th Avenue, #10 Fairbanks, AK 99701-6275 907/456-0210 (District Tel. #) 907/456-0279 (District Fax #) Peterson Tower Building 510 L Street, Suite 580 Anchorage, AK 99501-1954 907/271-5978 (District Tel. #) 907/271-5950 (District Fax #) don.young@... ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39101	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Breathtaking Aquariums Around The World

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39102	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this tank's capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. Besides that, you have a number of fish which will need an even larger (MUCH larger) size tank than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish you presently have. Your two Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and 14" each and your commoin Pleco will get to at least 18". Your Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as it does it will reign terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since this species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of these will not maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see action between this species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining fish are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their requiring larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This is a no-brainer, as it should be realized that such fish are going to grow and that even before that time as they are fully grown they will be even more overcrowded -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm sure even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow to be at least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, along with all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd recommend your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a third of the "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 1/2" final-size range. It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at 5"!)can often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red Jewel and the Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own territories as they mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish venturing into these areas -- and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! If I were you, I'd get a good book on aquarium community fish (such as the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an older copy of Innes' Exotic Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the compatability of these fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes instead of buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a criticism, but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at least 1 year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation & Oxygen purposes. > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > Fish size > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > 1 Molly 1" > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > 6 Tiger Barbs > 1 Common Pleco 5" > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > 2 Otos > 3 Mystery snails > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > 1 Red Jewel 2" > 1 Convict 1" > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP and my pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but wanted to > > make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than 0.0ppm for nitrites > > or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting some cycling > > (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the dip > > sticks. > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the toxic > > levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as this could very > > likely be the problem. > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you do have a > > nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been known to give bad test > > results. This is why you often see us recommending one of the Master Test > > Kits that use test tubes and chemicals to test the water. > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have higher pH > > water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead of buying the dip > > sticks, get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the > > best price that I know of right now is from http://www.Walmart.com, in the > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for under > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason for you to > > be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, since you are > > currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of salt to each 10G of water > > when you do your PWC's, until we have your nitrogen cycle under control. A > > pinch of salt per 10G will protect the fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the use of salt > > since you already have hard water and most freshwater fish do NOT need salt > > in their water. > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a detailed > > list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, how many of each, > > etc. How big are the fish? How long has the tank been set up? What > > brand/model filter system? How do you do your filter maintenance? Do you > > throw away your filter cartridges or properly clean them and reuse them... > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And Cleaning > > article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping process. What other > > chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? What brand of dechlor? > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about your tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > Hardness = 425 > > Alkalinity = 180 > > PH = 8 > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's not > > planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And Filter > > maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? I > > typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have refrained > > lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > thanks, > > Gail > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39103	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: gill flukes

Why is only Gill Flukes (Dactylogyrus) being suspected, when Skin Flukes (Gyrodactylus) is the more prevalent of the two in aquarium fish? While either can still affect aquarium fish, with Gill Flukes being more commonly seen on Golfdfish as Lenny states, Skin Flukes would manifest itself as the fish flashing as has been described, This does not necessarily mean this pathogen is present, as there are a number of other causes of the behavior, flashing -- but is a possibility not addressed even before the Subject title displayed. I haven't followed this thread completely, and do not know if your water parameters have been asked for, but it should be known that the lower your pH is, the higher is the concentration of hydrogen ions -- effectively creating what is seen as this water being a solution of carbonic acid (albeit, extremely diluted), which will happen at a level in proportion to your buffering capacity's allowance for this to occur. Some fish enjoy somewhat acid conditions as their life-sustaining medium, some fish just tolerate it, in varying degrees depending upon their evolved pH conditions and some fish may find this condition irritating to the nerve sensors along their lateral line. This last group of fish may be seen behaving in the manner of flashing in an attempt to free themselves of this irritant. High nitrate levels often accompany such acid condition too, which can also promote irritation, as Lenny has also stated. If you have not yet been asked to give us the results of your parameters, please do so. With the heavy bioload you have outlined, unless you're doing larger than normal PWC's, I suspect your aquarium water may be in the lower pH range, somewhat more removed from neutral. BTW, Flukes are microscopic and they themselves can only be seen under a microscope (about 40 X) after taking a scraping sample to be viewed, although the manifestation of Gill Flukes can easily be seen when opening the gill plate as a pink coloration of the gills rather than their normal red. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > I don't see anything abnormal (externally)on my fish; however, I think I have seen my CAE and one of my Rosy barbs flashing on an object or rocks in my tank. > > Thanks & best Regards, > > Gail > > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] gill flukes > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:26 PM > > > > > > > > > Poor water quality makes fish more susceptible to bacterial and parasites > that they might not succumb to when things are in good shape. Parasites are > a little bit different though. You can have parasite issues even when the > fish are perfectly healthy and the tank is in pristine condition. > > Why are you asking about Gill Flukes? While they are a problem and are > commonly found in store bought goldfish, why are you mentioning them now? > Gill flukes will not cause flashing or "itchy" acting. They will cause > other major problems for fish by causing poor gill function, meaning poor > breathing, etc., and also cause inflammation that can allow bacterial issues > an easy way to infect a fish. > > As far as the "itchy", normally referred to as flashing where the fish will > rub against the gravel or decorations, this is something they will do when > they have external skin parasites. Do you see anything on the fish that > looks abnormal? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] gill flukes > > does poor water quality cause Gill Flukes? Or cause your fish to seem > "itchy"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39104	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at still > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > your > > > picture. > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > probably > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the "monster > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > see it > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > photo's > > > once it's approved. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, not > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be so > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same species, > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external differences. > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because it > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use anything > > > > but a common name as > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > scientific > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > read), > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, you > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such a > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good with > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it appears > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many nooks > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > Cory's > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find this > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > that > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know the > > > > difference between > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > fish > > > > be put in with much > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can be > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at all > > > > interested in animal > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or partial > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > rather > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that ScotCat > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > -- > > > > another possible error by > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > little more > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common name > > > > > > of > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is WRONG > > > > with > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > more > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after a > > > > January > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com says > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks and > > > > crannies' > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places and > > > > could do > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > such as the > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > with > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > which > > > > grow > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about P. > > > > costatus, > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > profile > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her infamously > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped Raphael > > > > Catfish > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > atf> > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > sites. While > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous at > > > > least in > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > on > > > > it. But > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't always > > > > read the > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > here may > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > description > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > an > > > > accurate > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a blanket > > > > statement > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may not > > > > need the > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > with > > > > each > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards their > > > > own > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > part, but > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > they both > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, as > > > > they're in > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to be > > > > in this > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > species (I > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > description is > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > towards other > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be seen, > > > > but like > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > aggressive > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > years > > > > I've > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > assumed > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > display > > > > bad > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > specimens. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael catfish > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > a > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply a > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for a > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller than > > > > this > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes out > > > > > > > to > > > > feed at > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they will > > > > have > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be kept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so be > > > > aware > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read the > > > > same > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > And > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > poop. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn & > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red tail > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39105	From: Gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Ray - thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. thanks gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39106	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Gail, At 2", your Blue Gourami's are less than 1/2 grown; they are still juveniles. Give them time and as they mature I'm fairly sure they'll live up to their reputation. You don't say what size your Tiger Barbs are (nor have you given any size for the Oto's or Emerald Cory Cats), but if these Barbs are also small when compared to their full adult size, I feel you may also expect aggression from them as they mature. Incidentally, since you hadn't given any sizes for those fish I've brought to your attention, I considered them only half-grown also (as might often be found in the LFS's), in concluding how overcrowded you tank is already. Back to a good reference book, I seriously recommend you looking into one, not only to educate yourself as to which fish will best go together, but simply as I know you'd enjoy it. The Baensch Atlas can still go for a minimum of about $30 today (but it's excellent). For a less-pricey general information book, I would HIGHLY recommend Dr. William T. Innes' "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Similar to Shakespeare's works, Innes' works in the aquarium field have a universality of appeal --its content will never go out of date, even if there's been more information since learned about the hobby, its fish and its general maintenance. It was called the bible of the aquarium hobby in its time. The editions (Innes Publishing Company) are collectable, but even if you get a 1968 (yellow cover) Metaframe Incorporated reprint, which you can find on Ebay for less than $5, its content has not changed. I know you'd find it invaluable. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39107	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a tan/whitish line along both sides. Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it to see if someone else could help confirm it. To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > now ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > including > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a > better > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked > at still > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > could be > > > > your > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > catfish) > > > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > > probably > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > "monster > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > (talking > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > > see it > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > > photo's > > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>> > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in > English, not > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would > not be so > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best > way to > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot > of fish > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > species, > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > differences. > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like > it may > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > because it > > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution > chain of > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > anything > > > > > but a common name as > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > > scientific > > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions > can be > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > > read), > > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and > then, you > > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would > make such a > > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty > good with > > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > appears > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need > many nooks > > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > > Cory's > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with > others of > > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable > with each > > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't > find this > > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, > there's a > > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy > another one > > > > > > that > > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so > that the > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow > all of > > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to > know the > > > > > difference between > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > this > > > > > > fish > > > > > be put in with much > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most > fish can be > > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to > be at all > > > > > interested in animal > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > partial > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > > rather > > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > ScotCat > > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such > a meal > > > > > > -- > > > > > another possible error by > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or > opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after > doing a > > > > > little more > > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the > common name > > > > > > > of > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what > is WRONG > > > > > with > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus > is much > > > > > more > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>> > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > after a > > > > > January > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND > ScotCat.com says > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many > 'nooks and > > > > > crannies' > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding > places and > > > > > could do > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with > smaller fish > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will > do well > > > > > with > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > > which > > > > > grow > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > about P. > > > > > costatus, > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > ScotCat > > > > > profile > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > infamously > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > Raphael > > > > > Catfish > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>> > > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>> > > > > > atf> > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites > (such > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is > erroneous at > > > > > least in > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give > advice > > > > > > > on > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals > don't always > > > > > read the > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with > these fish > > > > > here may > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), > Mongabay's > > > > > description > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species > IS NOT > > > > > > > an > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > blanket > > > > > statement > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they > may not > > > > > need the > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly > association > > > > > > > with > > > > > each > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial > towards their > > > > > own > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for > the most > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each > other, and > > > > > they both > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often > found in > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their > tank, as > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require > them to be > > > > > in this > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > description is > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to > be seen, > > > > > but like > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can > they be > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > > years > > > > > I've > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it > may be > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > display > > > > > bad > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > specimens. > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > catfish > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>> which is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that > list was > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial > towards > > > > > > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but > simply a > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. > Ideal for a > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish > smaller than > > > > > this > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and > comes out > > > > > > > > to > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as > they will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to > be kept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type > fish so be > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always > read the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your > corys. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > And > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become > catfish > > > poop. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>>> > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman > Services, Lawn & > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & > Trash > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only > catfish > > > > > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and > I got > > > > > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the > red tail > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have > plenty > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it > since I > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's > nocturnal > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39108	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)

I was wondering if anyone out there has corydoras pulcher's (also called c number 5-3). I have my eye on them after seeing a picture of one online, but they seem hard to come by in the US. There are a few importers, but I don't want to pay 25 dollars a fish ;) LOL Anyone out there have any more info on these cute little cory's? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39109	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE?  Dave --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: Gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM Ray - thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. thanks gail ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39110	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Chinese algae eater? That's my guess ;) Amber Dave H. wrote: > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39111	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: About my first set of fishes

Hi Gang!!! I wanted to share this story with you.  One time, when I was first married to my ex wife in Oklahoma, and we had our tank set up.  My step daugher just love to tap on the glass hard, She was 11 at the time.  I'll call her Step.  I have told her not to scare them.  She looked at me in the face and gave me a frozen glare stare.  I remember I had 2 algae eater, 2 pink skirt tetras, Neon Tetras, and 2 kissing gouramis.  After I moved out of the house( we were separated), I told my soon to be ex wife and Step how to take care of the fishes.  One day, my ex called me and said the fishes were dying.  She wanted me to come and take care of them.  When I came over, I was stunned.  There were no fish food, the heater were unplugged.  I asked why?  My ex said she had enough of the fishes and wanted to get rid of them.  I was hurt, but most of the fish were already dead, except for my algae eater.  She said just to get rid of them.  So, I drained the water out, and got all of the fishes out and put them in the toilet.. She was watching me and making sure I was doing it.(she was a very abusive ex wife, married 5 times), Even her dad was there.  So, finally, when I put the Algae eater inside the toilet(it had 2 holes, one goes to the drain, and the other is a small hole).  The algae eater was about 4 inches long.  It went into the small hole.  Here's the funny part.  I told her that it is waiting to bite her.  My ex wife couldn't use that toilet for a while, thinking the algae eater was there!!!! Hahahaha!!!!!! When I got to Michigan, she called me and said that she was going to get me.  I said that is what you get for being cruel to the fishes.  She never apologized.  Now, I have another fishes.  They are so cool,  I have a 10 gallon Tank with my Betsy, an Angelfish, 3 zebra danios, 5 head and tail light tetras, 1 pink skirt tetras, and a blind cave tetras.  I just love to watch them play.  Wanted to share the funny story with you.. Sad, but I got her good.. lol!!!!  Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39112	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for under 7 dollars at my local store. Amber Dave H. wrote: > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39113	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39114	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Hi Gail, Somehow I missed your long reply but I have to agree with Ray. You are WAY overloaded with fish. While they may be small now, many of your fish should grow to be BIG fish. While Ray says you would need another 50% more tank, IMO, I think you need about 600% more tank. You have fish that when all full grown, would need at least a 300G tank. Here's my article on fish stocking rules to replace the fish killing 1" rule that so many people get messed up by. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html While the 10G might help a little, you will still have major problems in the big tank. Here's a 10G tank stocking suggestions and guidelines article on my blog to let you know which fish would do well in the 10G. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking-list.h tml You really do have to go through your list of fish, either read a good book like Ray suggested or at least read good profiles/care sheets on them so you can then decide which fish you want to keep and that are compatible. I usually start with Mongabay's profile/care sheets as they go into more technical details about needed water volume and tank size, suggested companion fish... and which ones that are not good tank mates, etc.. Go to http://fish.mongabay.com and use the search field. Type in your common fish name and you should get the care sheet/profile in the top hits. All I normally do is just type the - fish name mongabay - in a Google search and find them that way. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this tank's capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. Besides that, you have a number of fish which will need an even larger (MUCH larger) size tank than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish you presently have. Your two Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and 14" each and your commoin Pleco will get to at least 18". Your Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as it does it will reign terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since this species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of these will not maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see action between this species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining fish are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their requiring larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This is a no-brainer, as it should be realized that such fish are going to grow and that even before that time as they are fully grown they will be even more overcrowded -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm sure even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow to be at least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, along with all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd recommend your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a third of the "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 1/2" final-size range. It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at 5"!)can often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red Jewel and the Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own territories as they mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish venturing into these areas -- and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! If I were you, I'd get a good book on aquarium community fish (such as the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an older copy of Innes' Exotic Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the compatability of these fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes instead of buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a criticism, but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at least 1 year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation & Oxygen purposes. > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > Fish size > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > 1 Molly 1" > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > 6 Tiger Barbs > 1 Common Pleco 5" > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > 2 Otos > 3 Mystery snails > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > 1 Red Jewel 2" > 1 Convict 1" > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP and my pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but > > wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than > > 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting some > > cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the > > dip sticks. > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the > > toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as this > > could very likely be the problem. > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you do > > have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been known > > to give bad test results. This is why you often see us recommending > > one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and chemicals to test the water. > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have > > higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead of > > buying the dip sticks, get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette > > Master Test Kit and the best price that I know of right now is from > > http://www.Walmart.com, in the > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for > > Pets>under > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason > > for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, > > since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of salt > > to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have your > > nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will protect the fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the use > > of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater fish > > do NOT need salt in their water. > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a > > detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, how > > many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the tank > > been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do your > > filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges or properly clean them and reuse them... > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And > > Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping > > process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? What brand of dechlor? > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about your tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > Hardness = 425 > > Alkalinity = 180 > > PH = 8 > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's > > not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And > > Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? > > I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have > > refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > thanks, > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39115	From: Karen Hawk	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: books

For an impulse buyer (like me!) the Baensch atlas and the Innes book make good home reference, but I bought the following book : Tropical Freshwater Aquarium Fish from A to Z (Compass Guide Series) by Ulrich Schliewen, Dave (Editor) at Barnes and Noble.  Its slim, has a waterproof plastic cover, and can be carried with you to the fish store for a quick reference.  It also has beautiful clear pictures of the fish, so you know what you are looking at.  And its not terribly expensive. Has the Baensch book been updated in recent years?  I have an older copy and at least two of the fish species I have are not listed in it: botia angelica (actually from what I have researched botia kubotai), and the dwarf neon rainbows. Karen Karen and Rocky Hawk Claymore Goldens --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:48 AM Gail, At 2", your Blue Gourami's are less than 1/2 grown; they are still juveniles. Give them time and as they mature I'm fairly sure they'll live up to their reputation. You don't say what size your Tiger Barbs are (nor have you given any size for the Oto's or Emerald Cory Cats), but if these Barbs are also small when compared to their full adult size, I feel you may also expect aggression from them as they mature. Incidentally, since you hadn't given any sizes for those fish I've brought to your attention, I considered them only half-grown also (as might often be found in the LFS's), in concluding how overcrowded you tank is already. Back to a good reference book, I seriously recommend you looking into one, not only to educate yourself as to which fish will best go together, but simply as I know you'd enjoy it. The Baensch Atlas can still go for a minimum of about $30 today (but it's excellent). For a less-pricey general information book, I would HIGHLY recommend Dr. William T. Innes' "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Similar to Shakespeare' s works, Innes' works in the aquarium field have a universality of appeal --its content will never go out of date, even if there's been more information since learned about the hobby, its fish and its general maintenance. It was called the bible of the aquarium hobby in its time. The editions (Innes Publishing Company) are collectable, but even if you get a 1968 (yellow cover) Metaframe Incorporated reprint, which you can find on Ebay for less than $5, its content has not changed. I know you'd find it invaluable. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39116	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39117	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm pulling it up again. OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39118	From: Kelly	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: New Member Intro - Kelly

Hello I've just joined today I live in Devon, UK and have a 200 litre Marine Tank My husband set it up but has lost interest over the years and I have been maintaining and cleaning it for over 6 months now - despite him still calling it HIS tank!! We've had Marine fish for 4 years now - and in our tank lives; 2 clownfish, 2 blue damsels, 3 pyjama Cardinals, 1 Yellow Tang, Blue hermit crab, red hermit crab, leather finger coral and probably 30+ bristleworms!!! I hope to be able to learn new tips and info as well as maybe help others Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39119	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Just to somewhat clarify, the present bioload of Gail's tank needing an additional 50% more tank volume than her present tank that I mentioned is just to maintain what she presently has now, at the sizes she has now, without the potentially larger fishes I've pointed out, and before any of her presently smaller fish have grown. Or, to put it another way, her 55 gallon tank is PRESENTLY only able to comfortably maintain only her potentially 3 1/2" to 4 1/2" fish at THIS CURRENT size now -- 1/2 grown, or less. This rules out the common Pleco, two Bala Sharks, Chinese Algae Eater and Blood Red Parrot Cichlid (not that the Convict and Red Jewel belong there either). Now, if she wants her fish to grow and remain healthy, even with this list narrowed down to those more manageable, this 55 will not do (AND I'm still probably too conservative here, by Lenny's estimates), but a much larger one will be needed. I not even sure how she's maintaining this tank, unless she's doing PWC's every other day, but then, I haven't seen any water parameters mentioned yet. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > Somehow I missed your long reply but I have to agree with Ray. You are WAY > overloaded with fish. > > While they may be small now, many of your fish should grow to be BIG fish. > While Ray says you would need another 50% more tank, IMO, I think you need > about 600% more tank. You have fish that when all full grown, would need at > least a 300G tank. > > Here's my article on fish stocking rules to replace the fish killing 1" rule > that so many people get messed up by. > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. > html > > While the 10G might help a little, you will still have major problems in the > big tank. Here's a 10G tank stocking suggestions and guidelines article on > my blog to let you know which fish would do well in the 10G. > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking-list.h > tml > > You really do have to go through your list of fish, either read a good book > like Ray suggested or at least read good profiles/care sheets on them so you > can then decide which fish you want to keep and that are compatible. I > usually start with Mongabay's profile/care sheets as they go into more > technical details about needed water volume and tank size, suggested > companion fish... and which ones that are not good tank mates, etc.. Go to > http://fish.mongabay.com and use the search field. Type in your common fish > name and you should get the care sheet/profile in the top hits. All I > normally do is just type the - fish name mongabay - in a Google search and > find them that way. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are > overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this tank's > capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. Besides that, you > have a number of fish which will need an even larger (MUCH larger) size tank > than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish you presently have. Your two > Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and 14" each and your commoin Pleco will > get to at least 18". Your Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as > it does it will reign terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. > > I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since this > species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of these will not > maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see action between this > species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. > > That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining fish > are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their requiring > larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This is a no-brainer, > as it should be realized that such fish are going to grow and that even > before that time as they are fully grown they will be even more overcrowded > -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm sure > even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow to be at > least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, along with > all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. > > If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd recommend > your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a third of the > "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 1/2" final-size > range. > > It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish > compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at 5"!)can > often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red Jewel and the > Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own territories as they > mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish venturing into these areas -- > and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! If I were you, I'd get a good book > on aquarium community fish (such as the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an > older copy of Innes' Exotic Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the > compatability of these fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes > instead of buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a > criticism, but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at least 1 > year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot > remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one demonstrated > for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance schedule: weekly vaccuming > of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass (mainly the front & sides), and > filter maintenance & cleaning. By cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in > the tank while I use a brush and water and rinse and scrub the filtration > system - while my cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish > my cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything > back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. > Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation & > Oxygen purposes. > > > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > > Fish size > > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > > 1 Molly 1" > > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > > 6 Tiger Barbs > > 1 Common Pleco 5" > > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > > 2 Otos > > 3 Mystery snails > > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > > 1 Red Jewel 2" > > 1 Convict 1" > > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP and my > pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may consider > breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 gallon back out and > stock it with some of the small fish. > > > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but > > > wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than > > > 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting some > > > cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the > > > dip sticks. > > > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the > > > toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as this > > > could very likely be the problem. > > > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you do > > > have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been known > > > to give bad test results. This is why you often see us recommending > > > one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and chemicals to test > the water. > > > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have > > > higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead of > > > buying the dip sticks, get either the API or Tetratest-Laborette > > > Master Test Kit and the best price that I know of right now is from > > > http://www.Walmart.com, in the > > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for > > > Pets>under > > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason > > > for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, > > > since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of salt > > > to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have your > > > nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will protect the > fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the use > > > of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater fish > > > do NOT need salt in their water. > > > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a > > > detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, how > > > many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the tank > > > been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do your > > > filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges or > properly clean them and reuse them... > > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And > > > Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping > > > process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? > What brand of dechlor? > > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about your > tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > > Hardness = 425 > > > Alkalinity = 180 > > > PH = 8 > > > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; it's > > > not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & PWC. And > > > Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? > > > I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I have > > > refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39120	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that last time I was in that part of Vista. I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other browsers at present. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm pulling it up again. OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39121	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Intro - Kelly

Hi Kelly, Welcome to the group. We need some more Marine tank keepers out here to keep us FW fish keepers in line. ;-) I'm sure some of our FW fish keepers have thought about setting up a SW tank but some of the stuff out there is intimidating. It's good to have another successful SW tank keeper to help guide some of them to the other side. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New Member Intro - Kelly Hello I've just joined today I live in Devon, UK and have a 200 litre Marine Tank My husband set it up but has lost interest over the years and I have been maintaining and cleaning it for over 6 months now - despite him still calling it HIS tank!! We've had Marine fish for 4 years now - and in our tank lives; 2 clownfish, 2 blue damsels, 3 pyjama Cardinals, 1 Yellow Tang, Blue hermit crab, red hermit crab, leather finger coral and probably 30+ bristleworms!!! I hope to be able to learn new tips and info as well as maybe help others Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39122	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

Sorry Ray. I missed that part about just the present bioload. Thanks for clarifying. She did mention water test results in an earlier post. Her test results indicated she used a 5-in-1 dip stick. She only had 20ppm of nitrates but she had 0.5ppm of nitrites. No ammonia test. Her pH was 8.0 and she has very hard water.... I think it was over 400ppm, if I'm not mistaken. That's probably why she hasn't had a pH crash and the low nitrates could be due to the tank not cycling properly, given the nitrite reading. Who knows.. the ammonia level could be off the charts. I already advised her to re-test the tank and to get an ammonia test kit. I told her that with a pH of 8.0, any ammonia in the tank would be extremely toxic to the fish. I may not have mentioned it before, but using SeaChem's Prime would probably be in order to detoxify the ammonia since she has such a high pH level. In either case, we know that our test kits do NOT test for hormones, DOC's, etc. and with the bioload she listed, those numbers will likely be off the charts as well. As a temporary measure, daily PWC's would be advised to help dilute/remove the pollution levels and to keep down any likely ammonia/nitrites... and use SeaChem's Prime as a tap water conditioner, to detoxify any ammonia, and a pinch of salt per 10G to help prevent nitrite poisoning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? Just to somewhat clarify, the present bioload of Gail's tank needing an additional 50% more tank volume than her present tank that I mentioned is just to maintain what she presently has now, at the sizes she has now, without the potentially larger fishes I've pointed out, and before any of her presently smaller fish have grown. Or, to put it another way, her 55 gallon tank is PRESENTLY only able to comfortably maintain only her potentially 3 1/2" to 4 1/2" fish at THIS CURRENT size now -- 1/2 grown, or less. This rules out the common Pleco, two Bala Sharks, Chinese Algae Eater and Blood Red Parrot Cichlid (not that the Convict and Red Jewel belong there either). Now, if she wants her fish to grow and remain healthy, even with this list narrowed down to those more manageable, this 55 will not do (AND I'm still probably too conservative here, by Lenny's estimates), but a much larger one will be needed. I not even sure how she's maintaining this tank, unless she's doing PWC's every other day, but then, I haven't seen any water parameters mentioned yet. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > Somehow I missed your long reply but I have to agree with Ray. You > are WAY overloaded with fish. > > While they may be small now, many of your fish should grow to be BIG fish. > While Ray says you would need another 50% more tank, IMO, I think you > need about 600% more tank. You have fish that when all full grown, > would need at least a 300G tank. > > Here's my article on fish stocking rules to replace the fish killing 1" rule > that so many people get messed up by. > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. > html > > While the 10G might help a little, you will still have major problems > in the big tank. Here's a 10G tank stocking suggestions and > guidelines article on my blog to let you know which fish would do well in the 10G. > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking- > list.h > tml > > You really do have to go through your list of fish, either read a good > book like Ray suggested or at least read good profiles/care sheets on > them so you can then decide which fish you want to keep and that are > compatible. I usually start with Mongabay's profile/care sheets as > they go into more technical details about needed water volume and tank > size, suggested companion fish... and which ones that are not good > tank mates, etc.. Go to http://fish.mongabay.com and use the search > field. Type in your common fish name and you should get the care > sheet/profile in the top hits. All I normally do is just type the - > fish name mongabay - in a Google search and find them that way. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are > overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this > tank's capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. > Besides that, you have a number of fish which will need an even larger > (MUCH larger) size tank than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish > you presently have. Your two Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and > 14" each and your commoin Pleco will get to at least 18". Your > Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as it does it will reign terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. > > I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since > this species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of > these will not maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see > action between this species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. > > That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining > fish are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their > requiring larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This > is a no-brainer, as it should be realized that such fish are going to > grow and that even before that time as they are fully grown they will > be even more overcrowded > -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm > sure even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow > to be at least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, along with > all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. > > If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd > recommend your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a > third of the "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 > 1/2" final-size range. > > It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish > compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at > 5"!)can often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red > Jewel and the Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own > territories as they mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish > venturing into these areas -- and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! > If I were you, I'd get a good book on aquarium community fish (such as > the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an older copy of Innes' Exotic > Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the compatability of these > fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes instead of > buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a criticism, > but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at > > least 1 > year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot > remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one > demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance > schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass > (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By > cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush > and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my > cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my > cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. > Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation > & Oxygen purposes. > > > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > > Fish size > > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > > 1 Molly 1" > > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > > 6 Tiger Barbs > > 1 Common Pleco 5" > > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > > 2 Otos > > 3 Mystery snails > > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > > 1 Red Jewel 2" > > 1 Convict 1" > > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP > > and my > pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may > consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 > gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. > > > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but > > > wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than > > > 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting > > > some cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the > > > dip sticks. > > > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the > > > toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as > > > this could very likely be the problem. > > > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you > > > do have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been > > > known to give bad test results. This is why you often see us > > > recommending one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and > > > chemicals to test > the water. > > > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have > > > higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead > > > of buying the dip sticks, get either the API or > > > Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the best price that I know > > > of right now is from http://www.Walmart.com, in the > > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for > > > Pets>under > > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason > > > for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, > > > since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of > > > salt to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have > > > your nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will > > > protect the > fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the > > > use of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater > > > fish do NOT need salt in their water. > > > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a > > > detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, > > > how many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the > > > tank been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do > > > your filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges > > > or > properly clean them and reuse them... > > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And > > > Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping > > > process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the salt? > What brand of dechlor? > > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about > > > your > tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > > Hardness = 425 > > > Alkalinity = 180 > > > PH = 8 > > > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; > > > it's not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & > > > PWC. And Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? > > > I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I > > > have refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39123	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done with my usual daily stuff. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that last time I was in that part of Vista. I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other browsers at present. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm pulling it up again. OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39124	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books

Sounds like you've found a good and also very convenient (to carry) book on aquarium fishes. I haven't heard of the Baensch book being revised recently, but then, it should be realized that if a book is up to date it will never be so for very long; collectors are always finding and describing new aquarium fish all the time. Besides which, the more general aquarium books never comprise every aquarium fish available, as it's just not practical to do -- almost impossible, leaving the balance of known species to be covered in more specialized books on a particular fish Family and/or a collecting area (examples; complete lines of Rift Lake Cichlids, Corydoras Catfish, Killiefishes and Madagascar fishes, etc.). Like the Compass Guide Series book you mentioned. the Innes book too includes a color picture of each fish written about. In the original editions, they are found with the text, however, in the 1966 (note: NOT 1968 that I had mentioned) revised 19th Edition these pictures are found in one section at the rear, although black and white pictures are still found with the text. I might mention that there are right now a number of this edition on eBay from $2.99 to $3.99 (and some higher), AND a original 1950 (12th Edition, I believe) Innes Publishing Co. edition at $5.50. BTW, There are more than one yellow-covered revised editions, one being published by TFH which I did not have in mind. The less-expensive edition I'm referring to was published by Aquariums Incorporated (Metaframe was a Division of this company). While on this subject and before moving on, some here may wonder why I use the term "fishes" and when I use it, also possibly somewhat stymied by the title "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Simply put, for those not yet that familiar with its useage, the word "fish" (singular) may refer to one fish of a species (any species) OR numerous fish (pleural) of ONE species. When referring to more than one or more fish of TWO or more DIFFERENT species (even if only one fish of each species) the term "fishes" is properly used to designate that there are at least two different species being discussed. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: > > For an impulse buyer (like me!) the Baensch atlas and the Innes book make good home reference, but I bought the following book : > Tropical Freshwater Aquarium Fish from A to Z (Compass Guide Series) by Ulrich Schliewen, Dave (Editor) > at Barnes and Noble.  Its slim, has a waterproof plastic cover, and can be carried with you to the fish store for a quick reference.  It also has beautiful clear pictures of the fish, so you know what you are looking at.  And its not terribly expensive. > Has the Baensch book been updated in recent years?  I have an older copy and at least two of the fish species I have are not listed in it: botia angelica (actually from what I have researched botia kubotai), and the dwarf neon rainbows. > > Karen > > Karen and Rocky Hawk > Claymore Goldens > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > > Gail, At 2", your Blue Gourami's are less than 1/2 grown; they are still juveniles. Give them time and as they mature I'm fairly sure they'll live up to their reputation. You don't say what size your Tiger Barbs are (nor have you given any size for the Oto's or Emerald Cory Cats), but if these Barbs are also small when compared to their full adult size, I feel you may also expect aggression from them as they mature. Incidentally, since you hadn't given any sizes for those fish I've brought to your attention, I considered them only half-grown also (as might often be found in the LFS's), in concluding how overcrowded you tank is already. > > Back to a good reference book, I seriously recommend you looking into one, not only to educate yourself as to which fish will best go together, but simply as I know you'd enjoy it. The Baensch Atlas can still go for a minimum of about $30 today (but it's excellent). For a less-pricey general information book, I would HIGHLY recommend Dr. William T. Innes' "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Similar to Shakespeare' s works, Innes' works in the aquarium field have a universality of appeal --its content will never go out of date, even if there's been more information since learned about the hobby, its fish and its general maintenance. It was called the bible of the aquarium hobby in its time. The editions (Innes Publishing Company) are collectable, but even if you get a 1968 (yellow cover) Metaframe Incorporated reprint, which you can find on Ebay for less than $5, its content has not changed. I know you'd find it invaluable. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ray - > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > > > thanks > > gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39125	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a > tan/whitish line along both sides. > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it > to see if someone else could help confirm it. > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks > only > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > > > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > > now ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > > including > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a > > better > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species > may not > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked > > at still > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > > could be > > > > > your > > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>> > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > > > probably > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > "monster > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > (talking > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have > yet to > > > > > see it > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > > > photo's > > > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek > in the > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in > > English, not > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would > > not be so > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best > > way to > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot > > of fish > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > species, > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > differences. > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as > genusname cf. > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like > > it may > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > > because it > > > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years > a new > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones > that may > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution > > chain of > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate > as this > > > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > anything > > > > > > but a common name as > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the > ground > > > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions > > can be > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" > we are > > > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > > > read), > > > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species > as P. > > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and > > then, you > > > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would > > make such a > > > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty > > good with > > > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > appears > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need > > many nooks > > > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > > > Cory's > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with > > others of > > > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable > > with each > > > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't > > find this > > > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, > > there's a > > > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy > > another one > > > > > > > that > > > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so > > that the > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow > > all of > > > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to > > know the > > > > > > difference between > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > > this > > > > > > > fish > > > > > > be put in with much > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most > > fish can be > > > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to > > be at all > > > > > > interested in animal > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > partial > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and > having a > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > ScotCat > > > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such > > a meal > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > another possible error by > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or > > opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after > > doing a > > > > > > little more > > > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the > > common name > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what > > is WRONG > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially > catfish and > > > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile > mentions > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus > > is much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>> > > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>>> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > > after a > > > > > > January > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND > > ScotCat.com says > > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many > > 'nooks and > > > > > > crannies' > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding > > places and > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with > > smaller fish > > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will > > do well > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American > Characins > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > grow > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > > about P. > > > > > > costatus, > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > > ScotCat > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > infamously > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > Raphael > > > > > > Catfish > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>>> > > > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>>> > > > > > > atf> > > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on > these > > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites > > (such > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is > > erroneous at > > > > > > least in > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not > having the > > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give > > advice > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals > > don't always > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with > > these fish > > > > > > here may > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), > > Mongabay's > > > > > > description > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species > > IS NOT > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > blanket > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they > > may not > > > > > > need the > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly > > association > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial > > towards their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for > > the most > > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when > seeking out > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each > > other, and > > > > > > they both > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often > > found in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their > > tank, as > > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require > > them to be > > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal > for the > > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > > description is > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be > territorial > > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to > > be seen, > > > > > > but like > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can > > they be > > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in > the 17 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it > > may be > > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > > display > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > > specimens. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > catfish > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>> > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>>> which is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that > > list was > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial > > towards > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but > > simply a > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. > > Ideal for a > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish > > smaller than > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and > > comes out > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as > > they will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to > > be kept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type > > fish so be > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always > > read the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your > > corys. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become > > catfish > > > > poop. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman > > Services, Lawn & > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & > > Trash > > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with > some of > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only > > catfish > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and > > I got > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the > > red tail > > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish > should > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have > > plenty > > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it > > since I > > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's > > nocturnal > > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39126	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software and firewall. Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. ;-) LOL All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to comment further. OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. ;-) Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done with my usual daily stuff. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that last time I was in that part of Vista. I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other browsers at present. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm pulling it up again. OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39127	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books

I thought you were just trying to mock me since I'm from the south... cuz we eat dem der fishes all da time... deep-fried or blackened is da best way! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: books Sounds like you've found a good and also very convenient (to carry) book on aquarium fishes. I haven't heard of the Baensch book being revised recently, but then, it should be realized that if a book is up to date it will never be so for very long; collectors are always finding and describing new aquarium fish all the time. Besides which, the more general aquarium books never comprise every aquarium fish available, as it's just not practical to do -- almost impossible, leaving the balance of known species to be covered in more specialized books on a particular fish Family and/or a collecting area (examples; complete lines of Rift Lake Cichlids, Corydoras Catfish, Killiefishes and Madagascar fishes, etc.). Like the Compass Guide Series book you mentioned. the Innes book too includes a color picture of each fish written about. In the original editions, they are found with the text, however, in the 1966 (note: NOT 1968 that I had mentioned) revised 19th Edition these pictures are found in one section at the rear, although black and white pictures are still found with the text. I might mention that there are right now a number of this edition on eBay from $2.99 to $3.99 (and some higher), AND a original 1950 (12th Edition, I believe) Innes Publishing Co. edition at $5.50. BTW, There are more than one yellow-covered revised editions, one being published by TFH which I did not have in mind. The less-expensive edition I'm referring to was published by Aquariums Incorporated (Metaframe was a Division of this company). While on this subject and before moving on, some here may wonder why I use the term "fishes" and when I use it, also possibly somewhat stymied by the title "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Simply put, for those not yet that familiar with its useage, the word "fish" (singular) may refer to one fish of a species (any species) OR numerous fish (pleural) of ONE species. When referring to more than one or more fish of TWO or more DIFFERENT species (even if only one fish of each species) the term "fishes" is properly used to designate that there are at least two different species being discussed. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Karen Hawk <claymoregold@...> wrote: > > For an impulse buyer (like me!) the Baensch atlas and the Innes book make good home reference, but I bought the following book : > Tropical Freshwater Aquarium Fish from A to Z (Compass Guide Series) > by Ulrich Schliewen, Dave (Editor) at Barnes and Noble.  Its slim, has a waterproof plastic cover, and can be carried with you to the fish store for a quick reference.  It also has beautiful clear pictures of the fish, so you know what you are looking at.  And its not terribly expensive. > Has the Baensch book been updated in recent years?  I have an older copy and at least two of the fish species I have are not listed in it: botia angelica (actually from what I have researched botia kubotai), and the dwarf neon rainbows. > > Karen > > Karen and Rocky Hawk > Claymore Goldens > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > > Gail, At 2", your Blue Gourami's are less than 1/2 grown; they are still juveniles. Give them time and as they mature I'm fairly sure they'll live up to their reputation. You don't say what size your Tiger Barbs are (nor have you given any size for the Oto's or Emerald Cory Cats), but if these Barbs are also small when compared to their full adult size, I feel you may also expect aggression from them as they mature. Incidentally, since you hadn't given any sizes for those fish I've brought to your attention, I considered them only half-grown also (as might often be found in the LFS's), in concluding how overcrowded you tank is already. > > Back to a good reference book, I seriously recommend you looking into > one, not only to educate yourself as to which fish will best go > together, but simply as I know you'd enjoy it. The Baensch Atlas can > still go for a minimum of about $30 today (but it's excellent). For a > less-pricey general information book, I would HIGHLY recommend Dr. > William T. Innes' "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Similar to Shakespeare' s > works, Innes' works in the aquarium field have a universality of > appeal --its content will never go out of date, even if there's been > more information since learned about the hobby, its fish and its > general maintenance. It was called the bible of the aquarium hobby in > its time. The editions (Innes Publishing Company) are collectable, but > even if you get a 1968 (yellow cover) Metaframe Incorporated reprint, > which you can find on Ebay for less than $5, its content has not > changed. I know you'd find it invaluable. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ray - > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > > > thanks > > gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39128	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

No problem Lenny, while I may not have said it in so many words, or exactly as you stated it, I did say, in considering how overcrowded her tank already is, that I was referring to it as such when considering her fishes' present size of only half grown. With this in mind, and realizing that fish need yet more room if they're going to grow, I was hoping she'd see that a much bigger tank would be needed. I didn't state the following, but if a tank is overcrowded with fishes only HALF grown, then it stands to reason that a tank of double the size is needed for FULL grown fishes -- at which point IT TOO will be at least at capacity, if not overcrowded too. Many hobbyists, even here on the group, may feel our recommendations in tank capacities to be gross overkill for the fish they are planning on (or already have), but they do not take into consideration the final size of all their fishes and their needs at that time. Then, even if they happen to consider this need, they may neglect to figure in the additional tank capacity/final bioload in the event of a power failure -- and that can spell disaster. In following up, I guess I missed those parameters, but I go along with EVERYTHING you're advising right to the detail! AND, I hope she heeds this advice to prevent any problems from coming up, which are imminent otherwise -- and I can see a good number of different possible catastrophe's looming. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Sorry Ray. I missed that part about just the present bioload. Thanks for > clarifying. > > She did mention water test results in an earlier post. Her test results > indicated she used a 5-in-1 dip stick. She only had 20ppm of nitrates but > she had 0.5ppm of nitrites. No ammonia test. Her pH was 8.0 and she has > very hard water.... I think it was over 400ppm, if I'm not mistaken. That's > probably why she hasn't had a pH crash and the low nitrates could be due to > the tank not cycling properly, given the nitrite reading. Who knows.. the > ammonia level could be off the charts. I already advised her to re-test the > tank and to get an ammonia test kit. I told her that with a pH of 8.0, any > ammonia in the tank would be extremely toxic to the fish. I may not have > mentioned it before, but using SeaChem's Prime would probably be in order to > detoxify the ammonia since she has such a high pH level. > > In either case, we know that our test kits do NOT test for hormones, DOC's, > etc. and with the bioload she listed, those numbers will likely be off the > charts as well. > > As a temporary measure, daily PWC's would be advised to help dilute/remove > the pollution levels and to keep down any likely ammonia/nitrites... and use > SeaChem's Prime as a tap water conditioner, to detoxify any ammonia, and a > pinch of salt per 10G to help prevent nitrite poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > Just to somewhat clarify, the present bioload of Gail's tank needing an > additional 50% more tank volume than her present tank that I mentioned is > just to maintain what she presently has now, at the sizes she has now, > without the potentially larger fishes I've pointed out, and before any of > her presently smaller fish have grown. Or, to put it another way, her 55 > gallon tank is PRESENTLY only able to comfortably maintain only her > potentially 3 1/2" to 4 1/2" fish at THIS CURRENT size now -- 1/2 grown, or > less. This rules out the common Pleco, two Bala Sharks, Chinese Algae Eater > and Blood Red Parrot Cichlid (not that the Convict and Red Jewel belong > there either). Now, if she wants her fish to grow and remain healthy, even > with this list narrowed down to those more manageable, this 55 will not do > (AND I'm still probably too conservative here, by Lenny's estimates), but a > much larger one will be needed. > > I not even sure how she's maintaining this tank, unless she's doing PWC's > every other day, but then, I haven't seen any water parameters mentioned > yet. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Gail, > > > > Somehow I missed your long reply but I have to agree with Ray. You > > are WAY overloaded with fish. > > > > While they may be small now, many of your fish should grow to be BIG fish. > > While Ray says you would need another 50% more tank, IMO, I think you > > need about 600% more tank. You have fish that when all full grown, > > would need at least a 300G tank. > > > > Here's my article on fish stocking rules to replace the fish killing 1" > rule > > that so many people get messed up by. > > > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. > > html > > > > While the 10G might help a little, you will still have major problems > > in the big tank. Here's a 10G tank stocking suggestions and > > guidelines article on my blog to let you know which fish would do well in > the 10G. > > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/haileys-10-gallon-tank-stocking- > > list.h > > tml > > > > You really do have to go through your list of fish, either read a good > > book like Ray suggested or at least read good profiles/care sheets on > > them so you can then decide which fish you want to keep and that are > > compatible. I usually start with Mongabay's profile/care sheets as > > they go into more technical details about needed water volume and tank > > size, suggested companion fish... and which ones that are not good > > tank mates, etc.. Go to http://fish.mongabay.com and use the search > > field. Type in your common fish name and you should get the care > > sheet/profile in the top hits. All I normally do is just type the - > > fish name mongabay - in a Google search and find them that way. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are > > overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this > > tank's capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. > > Besides that, you have a number of fish which will need an even larger > > (MUCH larger) size tank than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish > > you presently have. Your two Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and > > 14" each and your commoin Pleco will get to at least 18". Your > > Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as it does it will reign > terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. > > > > I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since > > this species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of > > these will not maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see > > action between this species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. > > > > That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining > > fish are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their > > requiring larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This > > is a no-brainer, as it should be realized that such fish are going to > > grow and that even before that time as they are fully grown they will > > be even more overcrowded > > -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm > > sure even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow > > to be at least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, > along with > > all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. > > > > If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd > > recommend your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a > > third of the "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 > > 1/2" final-size range. > > > > It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish > > compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at > > 5"!)can often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red > > Jewel and the Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own > > territories as they mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish > > venturing into these areas -- and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! > > If I were you, I'd get a good book on aquarium community fish (such as > > the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an older copy of Innes' Exotic > > Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the compatability of these > > fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes instead of > > buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a criticism, > > but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at > > > least 1 > > year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot > > remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one > > demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance > > schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass > > (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By > > cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush > > and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my > > cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my > > cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything > back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. > > Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation > > & Oxygen purposes. > > > > > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > > > Fish size > > > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > > > 1 Molly 1" > > > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > > > 6 Tiger Barbs > > > 1 Common Pleco 5" > > > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > > > 2 Otos > > > 3 Mystery snails > > > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > > > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > > > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > > > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > > > 1 Red Jewel 2" > > > 1 Convict 1" > > > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > > > > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP > > > and my > > pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may > > consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 > > gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. > > > > > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > > > > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but > > > > wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than > > > > 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting > > > > some cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites>nitrates). > > > > > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the > > > > dip sticks. > > > > > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the > > > > toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as > > > > this could very likely be the problem. > > > > > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you > > > > do have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been > > > > known to give bad test results. This is why you often see us > > > > recommending one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and > > > > chemicals to test > > the water. > > > > > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have > > > > higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead > > > > of buying the dip sticks, get either the API or > > > > Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the best price that I know > > > > of right now is from http://www.Walmart.com, in the > > > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for > > > > Pets>under > > > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason > > > > for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances... HOWEVER, > > > > since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of > > > > salt to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have > > > > your nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will > > > > protect the > > fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the > > > > use of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater > > > > fish do NOT need salt in their water. > > > > > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a > > > > detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, > > > > how many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the > > > > tank been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do > > > > your filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges > > > > or > > properly clean them and reuse them... > > > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And > > > > Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping > > > > process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the > salt? > > What brand of dechlor? > > > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about > > > > your > > tank. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > > > Hardness = 425 > > > > Alkalinity = 180 > > > > PH = 8 > > > > > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; > > > > it's not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & > > > > PWC. And Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? > > > > I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I > > > > have refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Gail >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39129	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish

If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed > catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this > morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some > decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. > Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were > > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking > > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) > > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit > > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a > > tan/whitish line along both sides. > > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is > > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it > > to see if someone else could help confirm it. > > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and > > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I > > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) > > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later > > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking > > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking > > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, > > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you > > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). > > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a > > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks > > only > > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > > > > > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > > > now ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > > > including > > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a > > > better > > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species > > may not > > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked > > > at still > > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > > > could be > > > > > > your > > > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> > > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> > > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > > > > probably > > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > "monster > > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > (talking > > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have > > yet to > > > > > > see it > > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > > > > photo's > > > > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek > > in the > > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in > > > English, not > > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would > > > not be so > > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best > > > way to > > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot > > > of fish > > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > species, > > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > differences. > > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as > > genusname cf. > > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like > > > it may > > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > > > because it > > > > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years > > a new > > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones > > that may > > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution > > > chain of > > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate > > as this > > > > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > anything > > > > > > > but a common name as > > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the > > ground > > > > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions > > > can be > > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" > > we are > > > > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > > > > read), > > > > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species > > as P. > > > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and > > > then, you > > > > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would > > > make such a > > > > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty > > > good with > > > > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > appears > > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need > > > many nooks > > > > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > > > > Cory's > > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with > > > others of > > > > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable > > > with each > > > > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't > > > find this > > > > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, > > > there's a > > > > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy > > > another one > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so > > > that the > > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow > > > all of > > > > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to > > > know the > > > > > > > difference between > > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > > > this > > > > > > > > fish > > > > > > > be put in with much > > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most > > > fish can be > > > > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to > > > be at all > > > > > > > interested in animal > > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > partial > > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and > > having a > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > ScotCat > > > > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such > > > a meal > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > another possible error by > > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or > > > opportunist). Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after > > > doing a > > > > > > > little more > > > > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the > > > common name > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what > > > is WRONG > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially > > catfish and > > > > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile > > mentions > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus > > > is much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>>> > > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > > > after a > > > > > > > January > > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND > > > ScotCat.com says > > > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many > > > 'nooks and > > > > > > > crannies' > > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding > > > places and > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with > > > smaller fish > > > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will > > > do well > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American > > Characins > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > grow > > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > > > about P. > > > > > > > costatus, > > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > > > ScotCat > > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > infamously > > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > Raphael > > > > > > > Catfish > > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>>> > > > > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>>> > > > > > > > atf> > > > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > > by Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on > > these > > > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites > > > (such > > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is > > > erroneous at > > > > > > > least in > > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not > > having the > > > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give > > > advice > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals > > > don't always > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with > > > these fish > > > > > > > here may > > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), > > > Mongabay's > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species > > > IS NOT > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > blanket > > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they > > > may not > > > > > > > need the > > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly > > > association > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial > > > towards their > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for > > > the most > > > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when > > seeking out > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each > > > other, and > > > > > > > they both > > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often > > > found in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their > > > tank, as > > > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require > > > them to be > > > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal > > for the > > > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > > > description is > > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be > > territorial > > > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to > > > be seen, > > > > > > > but like > > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can > > > they be > > > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in > > the 17 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it > > > may be > > > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > > > display > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > > > specimens. > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>>> which is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that > > > list was > > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>> > > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. > > > Ideal for a > > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish > > > smaller than > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and > > > comes out > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as > > > they will > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to > > > be kept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type > > > fish so be > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always > > > read the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your > > > corys. > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become > > > catfish > > > > > poop. > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman > > > Services, Lawn & > > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & > > > Trash > > > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with > > some of > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and > > > I got > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the > > > red tail > > > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish > > should > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have > > > plenty > > > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it > > > since I > > > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's > > > nocturnal > > > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39130	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. Amber Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: >If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." > >Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray > > > >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >> >> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed >> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this >> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some >> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. >> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> > >> > >> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were >> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking >> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) >> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit >> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a >> > tan/whitish line along both sides. >> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is >> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it >> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. >> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and >> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I >> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) >> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later >> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking >> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen >> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. >> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your >> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking >> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, >> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you >> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). >> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a >> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray >> > > >> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks >> > only >> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark >> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. >> > > > >> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him >> > > now ;) >> > > > >> > > > Amber >> > > > >> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe >> > > including >> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a >> > > better >> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. >> > > > > >> > > > > Amber >> > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species >> > may not >> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked >> > > at still >> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it >> > > could be >> > > > > > your >> > > > > > picture. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > A front view of a juvi. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> >> > >> > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>>>> >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. >> > > > > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>> >> > > > > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> >> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >> > > the right >> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> > > > > Month) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM >> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > catfish) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would >> > > > > > probably >> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the >> > > "monster >> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish >> > > (talking >> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have >> > yet to >> > > > > > see it >> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group >> > > > > photo's >> > > > > > once it's approved. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> >> > >> > > >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Amber >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek >> > in the >> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in >> > > English, not >> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would >> > > not be so >> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best >> > > way to >> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot >> > > of fish >> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same >> > > species, >> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external >> > > differences. >> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as >> > genusname cf. >> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like >> > > it may >> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet >> > > because it >> > > > > > > is like this other species. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well >> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years >> > a new >> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones >> > that may >> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution >> > > chain of >> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > \\Steve// >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of >> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM >> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > catfish) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate >> > as this >> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. >> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use >> > > anything >> > > > > > > but a common name as >> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the >> > ground >> > > > > > > learning the basics, >> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote >> > > > > > > > scientific >> > > > > > > names but prefer to >> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions >> > > can be >> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the >> > > > > > > > fish. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" >> > we are >> > > > > > > referring to; they are one >> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for >> > > > > > > > Paltydoras >> > > > > > > costatus and may be >> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. >> > > > > > > > Incidentally, >> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also >> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you >> > > > > > > > read), >> > > > > > > as P. armulatus >> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species >> > as P. >> > > > > > > costatus. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate >> > > > > > > information on any one of these >> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and >> > > then, you >> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a >> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would >> > > make such a >> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish >> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty >> > > good with >> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I >> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it >> > > appears >> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in >> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need >> > > many nooks >> > > > > > > and crannies." >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while >> > > Striped >> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are >> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as >> > > > > > > > Cory's >> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that >> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with >> > > others of >> > > > > > > their own species, I really >> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable >> > > with each >> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle >> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't >> > > find this >> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they >> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, >> > > there's a >> > > > > > > pattern with these web >> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy >> > > another one >> > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > they deem accurate, >> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so >> > > that the >> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be >> > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow >> > > all of >> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no >> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to >> > > know the >> > > > > > > difference between >> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend >> > > this >> > > > > > > > fish >> > > > > > > be put in with much >> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most >> > > fish can be >> > > > > > > opportunists when it >> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to >> > > be at all >> > > > > > > interested in animal >> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or >> > > partial >> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. >> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and >> > having a >> > > > > > > > rather >> > > > > > > large mouth) with much >> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that >> > > ScotCat >> > > > > > > points out as being safe >> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such >> > > a meal >> > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > another possible error by >> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or >> > > opportunist). Ray >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after >> > > doing a >> > > > > > > little more >> > > > > > > > > research. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the >> > > common name >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > Striped >> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what >> > > is WRONG >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially >> > catfish and >> > > > > > > cichlids. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile >> > mentions >> > > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > issue. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> >> > > > > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>> >> > > > > > > >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> >> > > > > > >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> >> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> >> > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>>>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus >> > > is much >> > > > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. >> > > > > > > costatus. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has >> > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> >> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>> >> > > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> >> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> >> > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>>>> >> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, >> > > after a >> > > > > > > January >> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND >> > > ScotCat.com says >> > > > > > > this... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many >> > > 'nooks and >> > > > > > > crannies' >> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding >> > > places and >> > > > > > > could do >> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with >> > > smaller fish >> > > > > > > such as the >> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will >> > > do well >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American >> > Characins >> > > > > > > > > which >> > > > > > > grow >> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says >> > > about P. >> > > > > > > costatus, >> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the >> > > ScotCat >> > > > > > > profile >> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her >> > > infamously >> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped >> > > Raphael >> > > > > > > Catfish >> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>>>> >> > > > > > > tf >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> >> > > > > >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> >> > > >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>>>> >> > > > > > > atf> >> > > > > > > ish/ >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LOL >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> >> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> >> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> >> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are >> > > listed on the >> > > > > > > right >> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives >> > > by Year, >> > > > > > > Month) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM >> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > > > > > > > catfish) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on >> > these >> > > > > > > sites. While >> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites >> > > (such >> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is >> > > erroneous at >> > > > > > > least in >> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not >> > having the >> > > > > > > benefit of the >> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give >> > > advice >> > > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > it. But >> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals >> > > don't always >> > > > > > > read the >> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with >> > > these fish >> > > > > > > here may >> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), >> > > Mongabay's >> > > > > > > description >> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species >> > > IS NOT >> > > > > > > > > an >> > > > > > > accurate >> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a >> > > blanket >> > > > > > > statement >> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two >> > > > > > > > > Striped >> > > > > > > Raphael >> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they >> > > may not >> > > > > > > need the >> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly >> > > association >> > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > each >> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial >> > > towards their >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for >> > > the most >> > > > > > > part, but >> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways >> > > > > > > (sometimes >> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when >> > seeking out >> > > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each >> > > other, and >> > > > > > > they both >> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often >> > > found in >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > same >> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their >> > > tank, as >> > > > > > > they're in >> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require >> > > them to be >> > > > > > > in this >> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal >> > for the >> > > > > > > species (I >> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's >> > > > > > > description is >> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be >> > territorial >> > > > > > > towards other >> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to >> > > be seen, >> > > > > > > but like >> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can >> > > they be >> > > > > > > aggressive >> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in >> > the 17 >> > > > > > > > > years >> > > > > > > I've >> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it >> > > may be >> > > > > > > assumed >> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may >> > > > > > > > > display >> > > > > > > bad >> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these >> > > > > specimens. >> > > > > > > Ray >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael >> > > catfish >> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> >> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>> >> > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> >> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> >> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> >> > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>>>> which is >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that >> > > list was >> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> >> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> >> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> >> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>> >> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> >> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> >> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> >> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> >> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>>>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial >> > > towards >> > > > > > > > > > its >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but >> > > simply a >> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. >> > > Ideal for a >> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish >> > > smaller than >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. 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The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and >> > > I got >> > > > > > > > > > one >> > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the >> > > red tail >> > > > > > > > > > catfish >> > > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish >> > should >> > > > > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have >> > > plenty >> > > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it >> > > since I >> > > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's >> > > nocturnal >> > > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Amber >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39131	From: gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick?

I did do my PWC and weekly maintenance the other night. My tank looks really good. I did my vaccumming of the rocks - and I pulled 2.5 buckets (I think its a 3 gallon bucket) worth of fishy poo. lol I was pretty thorough. I will try to get an ammonia testing kit in the meantime and also break up the population.   And Ray is right, I think a lot of us really don't consider the size of our fish when they are full grown. I think a part of me either doesn't think that far ahead, or doesn't expect them to live that long to get that big... I dunno. I may actually give away one of my setups with some fish to my niece to get her started on the hobby - she seems extremely interested in my fish. I told her that when they got a house, I would give her a 10 gallon setup with some fish if she wanted. We shall see. For now I need to figure out how I can break up the crowd amongst some of the other tanks.   thanks. gail --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:51 PM No problem Lenny, while I may not have said it in so many words, or exactly as you stated it, I did say, in considering how overcrowded her tank already is, that I was referring to it as such when considering her fishes' present size of only half grown. With this in mind, and realizing that fish need yet more room if they're going to grow, I was hoping she'd see that a much bigger tank would be needed. I didn't state the following, but if a tank is overcrowded with fishes only HALF grown, then it stands to reason that a tank of double the size is needed for FULL grown fishes -- at which point IT TOO will be at least at capacity, if not overcrowded too. Many hobbyists, even here on the group, may feel our recommendations in tank capacities to be gross overkill for the fish they are planning on (or already have), but they do not take into consideration the final size of all their fishes and their needs at that time. Then, even if they happen to consider this need, they may neglect to figure in the additional tank capacity/final bioload in the event of a power failure -- and that can spell disaster. In following up, I guess I missed those parameters, but I go along with EVERYTHING you're advising right to the detail! AND, I hope she heeds this advice to prevent any problems from coming up, which are imminent otherwise -- and I can see a good number of different possible catastrophe' s looming. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > Sorry Ray. I missed that part about just the present bioload. Thanks for > clarifying. > > She did mention water test results in an earlier post. Her test results > indicated she used a 5-in-1 dip stick. She only had 20ppm of nitrates but > she had 0.5ppm of nitrites. No ammonia test. Her pH was 8.0 and she has > very hard water.... I think it was over 400ppm, if I'm not mistaken. That's > probably why she hasn't had a pH crash and the low nitrates could be due to > the tank not cycling properly, given the nitrite reading. Who knows.. the > ammonia level could be off the charts. I already advised her to re-test the > tank and to get an ammonia test kit. I told her that with a pH of 8.0, any > ammonia in the tank would be extremely toxic to the fish. I may not have > mentioned it before, but using SeaChem's Prime would probably be in order to > detoxify the ammonia since she has such a high pH level. > > In either case, we know that our test kits do NOT test for hormones, DOC's, > etc. and with the bioload she listed, those numbers will likely be off the > charts as well. > > As a temporary measure, daily PWC's would be advised to help dilute/remove > the pollution levels and to keep down any likely ammonia/nitrites. .. and use > SeaChem's Prime as a tap water conditioner, to detoxify any ammonia, and a > pinch of salt per 10G to help prevent nitrite poisoning. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > Just to somewhat clarify, the present bioload of Gail's tank needing an > additional 50% more tank volume than her present tank that I mentioned is > just to maintain what she presently has now, at the sizes she has now, > without the potentially larger fishes I've pointed out, and before any of > her presently smaller fish have grown. Or, to put it another way, her 55 > gallon tank is PRESENTLY only able to comfortably maintain only her > potentially 3 1/2" to 4 1/2" fish at THIS CURRENT size now -- 1/2 grown, or > less. This rules out the common Pleco, two Bala Sharks, Chinese Algae Eater > and Blood Red Parrot Cichlid (not that the Convict and Red Jewel belong > there either). Now, if she wants her fish to grow and remain healthy, even > with this list narrowed down to those more manageable, this 55 will not do > (AND I'm still probably too conservative here, by Lenny's estimates), but a > much larger one will be needed. > > I not even sure how she's maintaining this tank, unless she's doing PWC's > every other day, but then, I haven't seen any water parameters mentioned > yet. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Gail, > > > > Somehow I missed your long reply but I have to agree with Ray. You > > are WAY overloaded with fish. > > > > While they may be small now, many of your fish should grow to be BIG fish. > > While Ray says you would need another 50% more tank, IMO, I think you > > need about 600% more tank. You have fish that when all full grown, > > would need at least a 300G tank. > > > > Here's my article on fish stocking rules to replace the fish killing 1" > rule > > that so many people get messed up by. > > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/new-rules- guidelines- to-replace- 1-per. > > html > > > > While the 10G might help a little, you will still have major problems > > in the big tank. Here's a 10G tank stocking suggestions and > > guidelines article on my blog to let you know which fish would do well in > the 10G. > > http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 03/haileys- 10-gallon- tank-stocking- > > list.h > > tml > > > > You really do have to go through your list of fish, either read a good > > book like Ray suggested or at least read good profiles/care sheets on > > them so you can then decide which fish you want to keep and that are > > compatible. I usually start with Mongabay's profile/care sheets as > > they go into more technical details about needed water volume and tank > > size, suggested companion fish... and which ones that are not good > > tank mates, etc.. Go to http://fish. mongabay. com and use the search > > field. Type in your common fish name and you should get the care > > sheet/profile in the top hits. All I normally do is just type the - > > fish name mongabay - in a Google search and find them that way. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > Gail, Yes, to put it bluntly, your bioload IS too extreme! You are > > overstocked by at least another 1/3 (nearer another 50% more) of this > > tank's capacity --- AND -- NONE of you fish are full grown yet. > > Besides that, you have a number of fish which will need an even larger > > (MUCH larger) size tank than your present one, WITHOUT any other fish > > you presently have. Your two Bala Sharks will get to between 12" and > > 14" each and your commoin Pleco will get to at least 18". Your > > Chinese Algae Eater will get closer to 6" and as it does it will reign > terror in your tank on the other inhabitants. > > > > I note you have a school of 6 Tiger Barbs, but even at that, since > > this species is particularly known as fin nippers any quantity of > > these will not maintain solely conspecific interaction but will see > > action between this species and heterospecifics in the form of fin damage. > > > > That your Mollies and Convicts are only 1", and many of your remaining > > fish are presently only partially grown, should not preclude their > > requiring larger quarters in the very near future (read: ASAP). This > > is a no-brainer, as it should be realized that such fish are going to > > grow and that even before that time as they are fully grown they will > > be even more overcrowded > > -- not to mention they need the space NOW to enable them to grow. I'm > > sure even the most uninitiated beginner must know that 1" Mollies grow > > to be at least 3 1/2" or more -- and will require more space as they grow, > along with > > all other partially-grown fish requiring the the same. > > > > If a larger tank is not in the plans in the immediate future, I'd > > recommend your returning not only the larger-growing fish, but about a > > third of the "normal community size" fish in the eventual 2 1/2" to 4 > > 1/2" final-size range. > > > > It doesn't appear as though you've been doing your homework on fish > > compatibilty as otherwise you might know that Blue Gourami's (at > > 5"!)can often (usually) get quite aggressive. The Convict, the Red > > Jewel and the Blood Parrot Cichlid will eventually set up their own > > territories as they mature and will wreak havoc on any other fish > > venturing into these areas -- and the Blood-Parrot can get to 8" - 9"! > > If I were you, I'd get a good book on aquarium community fish (such as > > the Baensch Atlas Vol. 1 -- or even an older copy of Innes' Exotic > > Aquarium Fishes on Ebay) to learn about the compatability of these > > fishes, their temperament and their final grown sizes instead of > > buying fish on impulse as it appears you're doing. Not a criticism, > > but just hopefully helpful guidance. Ray > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@ > wrote: > > > > > > Okay this is my 55 gallon bowfront. It has been established for at > > > least 1 > > year. It has the penquin filtration on it with the bio wheel (I cannot > > remember which one it is - I do know it is the same as the one > > demonstrated for cleaning on Lenny's blogspot). My maintenance > > schedule: weekly vaccuming of gravel, scrubbing of algae off the glass > > (mainly the front & sides), and filter maintenance & cleaning. By > > cleaning; I mean I rest my bio wheel in the tank while I use a brush > > and water and rinse and scrub the filtration system - while my > > cartridge sits in a bucket of water from the tank. I swish my > > cartridge, rub it and wring it the best I can before putting everything > back together. And I use pretty generic water conditioner, usually top fin. > > Nothing too fancy. I also have a power head in my tank for circulation > > & Oxygen purposes. > > > > > > Stocked in my tank (brace yourself): > > > Fish size > > > 1 Blue Gourami 2" > > > 1 Molly 1" > > > 2 Bala Sharks 1- 3" & 1- 5" > > > 6 Tiger Barbs > > > 1 Common Pleco 5" > > > 1 Chinese Algae Eater 3" > > > 2 Otos > > > 3 Mystery snails > > > 1 Pictus Catfish 4" > > > 2 Emerald Cory Catfish > > > 6 Rosy Barbs 2.5" > > > 1 Blood Parrot 3" > > > 1 Red Jewel 2" > > > 1 Convict 1" > > > 3 Black Skirt Tetras 1.5" > > > > > > as you can see the biggest fish in my tank are the Bala shark, BP > > > and my > > pleco, and my pictus catfish. The rest are relatively small. I may > > consider breaking up my largely populated tank and getting my 10 > > gallon back out and stock it with some of the small fish. > > > > > > anyways, tell me your thoughts guys. Is my bio load too extreme? > > > > > > thanks =gail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > <GoldLenny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > NO2- is Nitrites, not nitrates. I think you just made a typo but > > > > wanted to make sure. This should be 0.0ppm. Anything more than > > > > 0.0ppm for nitrites or ammonia means you have water quality issues. > > > > > > > > Your NO3, Nitrates, is OK at 20ppm and it means you are getting > > > > some cycling (the nitrogen cycle = ammonia>nitrites> nitrates) . > > > > > > > > You don't mention an ammonia reading so I'm guessing you have the > > > > dip sticks. > > > > > > > > With you high pH water, any amount of ammonia will get into the > > > > toxic levels. YOU MUST get your ammonia tested immediately as > > > > this could very likely be the problem. > > > > > > > > Also, double check your other test results just to make sure you > > > > do have a nitrite reading of 0.5ppm as the dip sticks have been > > > > known to give bad test results. This is why you often see us > > > > recommending one of the Master Test Kits that use test tubes and > > > > chemicals to test > > the water. > > > > > > > > Since you need an ammonia test kit, especially because you have > > > > higher pH water where any amount of ammonia can be toxic, instead > > > > of buying the dip sticks, get either the API or > > > > Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit and the best price that I know > > > > of right now is from http://www.Walmart. com, in the > > > > Pets>Fish Department, where you can get either of these kits for > > > > Pets>under > > > > $20.00 with free shipping to your local Wal-mart. > > > > > > > > While a little salt will not harm your snails, there is NO reason > > > > for you to be adding salt under normal circumstances. .. HOWEVER, > > > > since you are currently showing a nitrite level, add a pinch of > > > > salt to each 10G of water when you do your PWC's, until we have > > > > your nitrogen cycle under control. A pinch of salt per 10G will > > > > protect the > > fish against nitrite poisoning. > > > > > > > > Once we get your tank cycling properly, you can discontinue the > > > > use of salt since you already have hard water and most freshwater > > > > fish do NOT need salt in their water. > > > > > > > > Now.. to figure out why you are having cycling issues. Give us a > > > > detailed list of what kind of fish you are keeping in the tank, > > > > how many of each, etc. How big are the fish? How long has the > > > > tank been set up? What brand/model filter system? How do you do > > > > your filter maintenance? Do you throw away your filter cartridges > > > > or > > properly clean them and reuse them... > > > > this is the preferred method. See my Filter Maintenance And > > > > Cleaning article for details on this VERY IMPORTANT fish keeping > > > > process. What other chemicals do you add to your tank besides the > salt? > > What brand of dechlor? > > > > Any other meds other than Melafix? Any other information about > > > > your > > tank. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of gail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:02 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > > > > > > Okay, here are my Water Perameters: > > > > NO3 (nitrates) = 20 > > > > NO2 (nitrates) = .5 > > > > Hardness = 425 > > > > Alkalinity = 180 > > > > PH = 8 > > > > > > > > More info. This is my 55 Gallon. It just has gravel and decor; > > > > it's not planted. And I am due for my weekly vaccum, cleaning & > > > > PWC. And Filter maintenance; thus my tank is at it's worst right now. > > > > Also, I recently added Mystery Snails. Does Aquarium salt hurt them? > > > > I typically add a little to my tank every now and again; but I > > > > have refrained lately - in fear it will kill the snails. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Gail > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39132	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

My two Raphaels were completely invisible the first month or so; I didn't know if they were even still alive.  Then they emerged and now spend thier days "hidden" in two plants at opposite ends of the tank.  They probably got fed up by being rousted about, under the driftwood, by the Yoyo loaches who have little respect for anybody's personal space.  They have grown quickly, too; I understand they can attain six inches.  They're very striking in color and have dandy whiskers. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:42:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. Amber Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@... > wrote: >If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." > >Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray > > > >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com , Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >> >> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed >> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this >> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some >> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. >> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. >> >> Amber >> >> Amber Berglund wrote: >> > >> > >> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were >> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking >> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) >> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit >> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a >> > tan/whitish line along both sides. >> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is >> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it >> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. >> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and >> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I >> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) >> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later >> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking >> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. >> > >> > Amber >> > >> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen >> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. >> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your >> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking >> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, >> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you >> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). >> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a >> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray >> > > >> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks >> > only >> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark >> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. >> > > > >> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him >> > > now ;) >> > > > >> > > > Amber >> > > > >> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe >> > > including >> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a >> > > better >> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. >> > > > > >> > > > > Amber >> > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species >> > may not >> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked >> > > at still >> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it >> > > could be >> > > > > > your >> > > > > > picture. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > A front view of a juvi. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > >> > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. >> > > > > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> >> > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >> > > the right >> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >> > > > > Month) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM >> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > catfish) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would >> > > > > > probably >> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the >> > > "monster >> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish >> > > (talking >> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have >> > yet to >> > > > > > see it >> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group >> > > > > photo's >> > > > > > once it's approved. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > >> > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Amber >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek >> > in the >> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in >> > > English, not >> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would >> > > not be so >> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best >> > > way to >> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot >> > > of fish >> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same >> > > species, >> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external >> > > differences. >> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as >> > genusname cf. >> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like >> > > it may >> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet >> > > because it >> > > > > > > is like this other species. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well >> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years >> > a new >> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones >> > that may >> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution >> > > chain of >> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > \\Steve// >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of >> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM >> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > catfish) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate >> > as this >> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. >> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use >> > > anything >> > > > > > > but a common name as >> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the >> > ground >> > > > > > > learning the basics, >> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote >> > > > > > > > scientific >> > > > > > > names but prefer to >> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions >> > > can be >> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the >> > > > > > > > fish. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" >> > we are >> > > > > > > referring to; they are one >> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for >> > > > > > > > Paltydoras >> > > > > > > costatus and may be >> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. >> > > > > > > > Incidentally, >> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also >> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you >> > > > > > > > read), >> > > > > > > as P. armulatus >> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species >> > as P. >> > > > > > > costatus. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate >> > > > > > > information on any one of these >> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and >> > > then, you >> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a >> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would >> > > make such a >> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish >> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty >> > > good with >> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I >> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it >> > > appears >> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in >> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need >> > > many nooks >> > > > > > > and crannies." >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while >> > > Striped >> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are >> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as >> > > > > > > > Cory's >> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that >> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with >> > > others of >> > > > > > > their own species, I really >> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable >> > > with each >> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle >> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't >> > > find this >> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they >> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, >> > > there's a >> > > > > > > pattern with these web >> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy >> > > another one >> > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > they deem accurate, >> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so >> > > that the >> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be >> > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow >> > > all of >> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no >> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to >> > > know the >> > > > > > > difference between >> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend >> > > this >> > > > > > > > fish >> > > > > > > be put in with much >> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most >> > > fish can be >> > > > > > > opportunists when it >> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to >> > > be at all >> > > > > > > interested in animal >> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or >> > > partial >> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. >> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and >> > having a >> > > > > > > > rather >> > > > > > > large mouth) with much >> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that >> > > ScotCat >> > > > > > > points out as being safe >> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such >> > > a meal >> > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > another possible error by >> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or >> > > opportunist). Ray >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after >> > > doing a >> > > > > > > little more >> > > > > > > > > research. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the >> > > common name >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > Striped >> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what >> > > is WRONG >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially >> > catfish and >> > > > > > > cichlids. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile >> > mentions >> > > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > issue. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >> > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>> >> > > > > > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >> > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus >> > > is much >> > > > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. >> > > > > > > costatus. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has >> > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>> >> > > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, >> > > after a >> > > > > > > January >> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND >> > > ScotCat.com says >> > > > > > > this... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many >> > > 'nooks and >> > > > > > > crannies' >> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding >> > > places and >> > > > > > > could do >> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with >> > > smaller fish >> > > > > > > such as the >> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will >> > > do well >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American >> > Characins >> > > > > > > > > which >> > > > > > > grow >> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says >> > > about P. >> > > > > > > costatus, >> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the >> > > ScotCat >> > > > > > > profile >> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her >> > > infamously >> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped >> > > Raphael >> > > > > > > Catfish >> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>>> >> > > > > > > tf >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>>> >> > > > > > > atf> >> > > > > > > ish/ >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LOL >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >> > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >> > > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are >> > > listed on the >> > > > > > > right >> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives >> > > by Year, >> > > > > > > Month) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM >> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >> > > > > > > > > catfish) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on >> > these >> > > > > > > sites. While >> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites >> > > (such >> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is >> > > erroneous at >> > > > > > > least in >> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not >> > having the >> > > > > > > benefit of the >> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give >> > > advice >> > > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > it. But >> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals >> > > don't always >> > > > > > > read the >> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with >> > > these fish >> > > > > > > here may >> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), >> > > Mongabay's >> > > > > > > description >> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species >> > > IS NOT >> > > > > > > > > an >> > > > > > > accurate >> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a >> > > blanket >> > > > > > > statement >> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two >> > > > > > > > > Striped >> > > > > > > Raphael >> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they >> > > may not >> > > > > > > need the >> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly >> > > association >> > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > each >> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial >> > > towards their >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for >> > > the most >> > > > > > > part, but >> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways >> > > > > > > (sometimes >> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when >> > seeking out >> > > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each >> > > other, and >> > > > > > > they both >> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often >> > > found in >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > same >> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their >> > > tank, as >> > > > > > > they're in >> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require >> > > them to be >> > > > > > > in this >> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal >> > for the >> > > > > > > species (I >> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's >> > > > > > > description is >> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be >> > territorial >> > > > > > > towards other >> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to >> > > be seen, >> > > > > > > but like >> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can >> > > they be >> > > > > > > aggressive >> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in >> > the 17 >> > > > > > > > > years >> > > > > > > I've >> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it >> > > may be >> > > > > > > assumed >> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may >> > > > > > > > > display >> > > > > > > bad >> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these >> > > > > specimens. >> > > > > > > Ray >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael >> > > catfish >> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>> >> > > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>>> which is >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that >> > > list was >> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>> >> > > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial >> > > towards >> > > > > > > > > > its >> > > > > > > own >> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but >> > > simply a >> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. >> > > Ideal for a >> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish >> > > smaller than >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and >> > > comes out >> > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > feed at >> > > > > > > > > dusk." >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as >> > > they will >> > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to >> > > be kept >> > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. >> > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type >> > > fish so be >> > > > > > > aware >> > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always >> > > read the >> > > > > > > same >> > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your >> > > corys. >> > > > > > > > > > LOL >> > > > > > > And >> > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become >> > > catfish >> > > > > poop. >> > > > > > > ;-) >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ >> > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>> >> > > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> >> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman >> > > Services, Lawn & >> > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & >> > > Trash >> > > > > > > Hauling, >> > > > > > > > > > Etc. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39133	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

There are almost zero importations of exotic birds into the United states. The paperwork trail is longer than both our arms combined. Do you mean African Grey Parrots. Have not come across and Amazon Gray before. -Mike Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at firs t? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. Andrew ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOP IC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39134	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I've also learned that Firefox has some addons that are to die for! PriceAdvance, for one, searches other websites for better prices on an item you are looking at. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software and firewall. Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. ;-) LOL All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to comment further. OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. ;-) Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done with my usual daily stuff. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that last time I was in that part of Vista. I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other browsers at present. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm pulling it up again. OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with Windows 7. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Steve, That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone to a fake website. To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Deb, To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded the program from the same location I gave you or another location. To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems occurring. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the fact > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and won't > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to my > room! > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > DebR, > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take a > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, using > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home page of > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour page > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if it > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to add on > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on the > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that to > the web page designers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39135	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Sub-Title - HISTORY OF A THREAD (OR... The Thread That Would Not Die!) WOW... I don't know who re-started this thread (well, actually I do but that's immaterial to this post... lol) but I was just looking at this thread on the Messages page of the group http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/3112 and this thread started back in July, 2004 and now has 89 replies in it. It started with only one post and one reply which ended in August 2004. Then in December 2004, the thread became active again with several replies in December 2004. Then it died down again but was revived in March of 2005. It died down again in March but was revived again in May of 2005... but only for a few days as it died down again on May 4, 2005... only to be revived again on July 24 and 25, 2005. Then it died for two full years until it was revived again on July 25, 2007, only to die again that same day. Then it was revived again on January 2, 2008 and died again the same day. Then it was revived again on February 8, 2009 and died on February 9, 2008. And lastly, as of this post, the thread was revived again on April 8, 2009 and lives another day! LOL I bow before you... The Thread That Would Not Die!!! Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39136	From: gail	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 gallon.   And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for under 7 dollars at my local store. Amber Dave H. wrote: > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39137	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Yes I agree with darlene and I breed parrots. Blue and Gold Macaws, Green Wings, Military Macaws, Green cheeked conures(several color mutations). and we used to breed cockatiels. I know of a breeder within 50 miles of me that has dozens of breeder pairs of African Greys.  -Mike -----Original Message----- From: darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 4:52 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Breeders are all over the U.S. and they are not longer wild caught and imported, haven’t been in years Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 8 avril 2009 16:38 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@... <mailto:secretserval%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion=2 0almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39138	From: Kelly	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Intro - Kelly

LOL – before my hubby started his marine tank I'd already kept goldfish and platys for years – it's only a 45 litre tank - I keep telling myself that when all my goldfish have died I will set it up as a marine tank for either small peaceful fish or a small puffer type fish – but I am a softie and took in my nephews goldfish because he wasn't looking after them anymore and his mum was sure they were going to die soon – the damn things haven't died yet!! We always thought it would be difficult keeping a marine tank – the initial set-up was tricky and we found it hard to wait for the bio/eco of the tank to be right before adding the first fish – we've always been very jammy with our water tests and salinity they've always been spot on without intervention The hard bit has been finding the right mix of fish and invertibrates – we've had many many fish through the years that have mysteriously started disappearing and we'd then research and learn that our brittlestar had been killing them!! We had a sea cucumber that nearly turned pear shaped – various gobys and rasses that served as brittlestar food – and a pink lobster that nearly ate all my coral!! It was mostly down to the aquatic shop we were buying from – they'd always insist that the fish/invertebrate would be ok in our tank – and 90% of the time they were lying to sell fish! Always stick to the same aquatic shop these days and always research any fish before buying – the shop have quickly learned that I WILL bring any fish/invertebrate back to the shop if it poses a threat to my harmonious tank!! Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 09 April 2009 18:49 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New Member Intro - Kelly Hi Kelly, Welcome to the group. We need some more Marine tank keepers out here to keep us FW fish keepers in line. ;-) I'm sure some of our FW fish keepers have thought about setting up a SW tank but some of the stuff out there is intimidating. It's good to have another successful SW tank keeper to help guide some of them to the other side. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] New Member Intro - Kelly Hello I've just joined today I live in Devon, UK and have a 200 litre Marine Tank My husband set it up but has lost interest over the years and I have been maintaining and cleaning it for over 6 months now - despite him still calling it HIS tank!! We've had Marine fish for 4 years now - and in our tank lives; 2 clownfish, 2 blue damsels, 3 pyjama Cardinals, 1 Yellow Tang, Blue hermit crab, red hermit crab, leather finger coral and probably 30+ bristleworms!!! I hope to be able to learn new tips and info as well as maybe help others Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39139	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

Different sizes. It will usually be noted on the bag in a size range like 1/4" to 3/8" OR 3/8" to 1/2", etc. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 gallon.   And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for under 7 dollars at my local store. Amber Dave H. wrote: > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com <mailto:clandestine > 662002%40yahoo. com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > Ray - > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > to fill a void. > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > thanks > gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39140	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

The gravel that I got is larger than normal colored aquarium gravel but only double in size not too bad. I like the natural colors in my tank over the rainbow gravel in the walstad tank. LOL Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Different sizes. It will usually be noted on the bag in a size range like >1/4" to 3/8" OR 3/8" to 1/2", etc. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of gail >Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:48 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE > >What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 >gallon. >  >And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > >--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > >From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > >Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea gravel >that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have to rinse it >really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for under 7 dollars >at my local store. > >Amber > >Dave H. wrote: >> >> >> Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave >> >> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com >> <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: >> >> From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com <mailto:clandestine >> 662002%40yahoo. com>> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> com> >> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM >> >> Ray - >> thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way >> impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need >> to fill a void. >> In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. >> Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in >> eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE >> - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. >> >> It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will >> most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. >> And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 >> gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. >> >> thanks >> gail > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39141	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

The one I got was barely 2 inches at most and not very colorful, I am hoping he will be more social once he's more aware of the tank surroundings and other fish. Have yours made any meals of your smaller fish? Amber Dreamsteeds <Dreamsteeds@...> wrote: > > >My two Raphaels were completely invisible the first month or so; I didn't know if they were even still alive.  Then they emerged and now spend thier days "hidden" in two plants at opposite ends of the tank.  They probably got fed up by being rousted about, under the driftwood, by the Yoyo loaches who have little respect for anybody's personal space.  They have grown quickly, too; I understand they can attain six inches.  They're very striking in color and have dandy whiskers. > >Jackie > > > >Jackie Huey >Dreamsteeds@... >http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:42:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > >My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. > >Amber > >Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@... > wrote: > >>If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." >> >>Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray >> >> >> >>--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com , Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >>> >>> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed >>> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this >>> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some >>> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. >>> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. >>> >>> Amber >>> >>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were >>> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking >>> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) >>> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit >>> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a >>> > tan/whitish line along both sides. >>> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is >>> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it >>> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. >>> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and >>> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I >>> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) >>> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later >>> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking >>> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. >>> > >>> > Amber >>> > >>> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen >>> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. >>> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your >>> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking >>> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, >>> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you >>> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). >>> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a >>> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray >>> > > >>> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> >>> > wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks >>> > only >>> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark >>> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. >>> > > > >>> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him >>> > > now ;) >>> > > > >>> > > > Amber >>> > > > >>> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe >>> > > including >>> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a >>> > > better >>> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Amber >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species >>> > may not >>> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked >>> > > at still >>> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it >>> > > could be >>> > > > > > your >>> > > > > > picture. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > A front view of a juvi. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. >>> > > > > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >>> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >>> > > the right >>> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >>> > > > > Month) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >>> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM >>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > catfish) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would >>> > > > > > probably >>> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the >>> > > "monster >>> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish >>> > > (talking >>> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have >>> > yet to >>> > > > > > see it >>> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group >>> > > > > photo's >>> > > > > > once it's approved. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Amber >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek >>> > in the >>> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in >>> > > English, not >>> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would >>> > > not be so >>> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best >>> > > way to >>> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot >>> > > of fish >>> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same >>> > > species, >>> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external >>> > > differences. >>> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as >>> > genusname cf. >>> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like >>> > > it may >>> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet >>> > > because it >>> > > > > > > is like this other species. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well >>> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years >>> > a new >>> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones >>> > that may >>> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution >>> > > chain of >>> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > \\Steve// >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] >>> > > > > > > On Behalf Of >>> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel >>> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM >>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > catfish) >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate >>> > as this >>> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. >>> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use >>> > > anything >>> > > > > > > but a common name as >>> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the >>> > ground >>> > > > > > > learning the basics, >>> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote >>> > > > > > > > scientific >>> > > > > > > names but prefer to >>> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions >>> > > can be >>> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the >>> > > > > > > > fish. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" >>> > we are >>> > > > > > > referring to; they are one >>> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for >>> > > > > > > > Paltydoras >>> > > > > > > costatus and may be >>> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. >>> > > > > > > > Incidentally, >>> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also >>> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you >>> > > > > > > > read), >>> > > > > > > as P. armulatus >>> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species >>> > as P. >>> > > > > > > costatus. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate >>> > > > > > > information on any one of these >>> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and >>> > > then, you >>> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a >>> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would >>> > > make such a >>> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish >>> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty >>> > > good with >>> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I >>> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it >>> > > appears >>> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in >>> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need >>> > > many nooks >>> > > > > > > and crannies." >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while >>> > > Striped >>> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are >>> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as >>> > > > > > > > Cory's >>> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that >>> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with >>> > > others of >>> > > > > > > their own species, I really >>> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable >>> > > with each >>> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle >>> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't >>> > > find this >>> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they >>> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, >>> > > there's a >>> > > > > > > pattern with these web >>> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy >>> > > another one >>> > > > > > > > that >>> > > > > > > they deem accurate, >>> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so >>> > > that the >>> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be >>> > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow >>> > > all of >>> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no >>> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to >>> > > know the >>> > > > > > > difference between >>> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend >>> > > this >>> > > > > > > > fish >>> > > > > > > be put in with much >>> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most >>> > > fish can be >>> > > > > > > opportunists when it >>> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to >>> > > be at all >>> > > > > > > interested in animal >>> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or >>> > > partial >>> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. >>> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and >>> > having a >>> > > > > > > > rather >>> > > > > > > large mouth) with much >>> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that >>> > > ScotCat >>> > > > > > > points out as being safe >>> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such >>> > > a meal >>> > > > > > > > -- >>> > > > > > > another possible error by >>> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or >>> > > opportunist). Ray >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >>> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after >>> > > doing a >>> > > > > > > little more >>> > > > > > > > > research. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the >>> > > common name >>> > > > > > > > > of >>> > > > > > > Striped >>> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what >>> > > is WRONG >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially >>> > catfish and >>> > > > > > > cichlids. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile >>> > mentions >>> > > > > > > > > this >>> > > > > > > issue. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>> >>> > > > > > > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus >>> > > is much >>> > > > > > > more >>> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. >>> > > > > > > costatus. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has >>> > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, >>> > > after a >>> > > > > > > January >>> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND >>> > > ScotCat.com says >>> > > > > > > this... >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many >>> > > 'nooks and >>> > > > > > > crannies' >>> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding >>> > > places and >>> > > > > > > could do >>> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with >>> > > smaller fish >>> > > > > > > such as the >>> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will >>> > > do well >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American >>> > Characins >>> > > > > > > > > which >>> > > > > > > grow >>> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says >>> > > about P. >>> > > > > > > costatus, >>> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the >>> > > ScotCat >>> > > > > > > profile >>> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her >>> > > infamously >>> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped >>> > > Raphael >>> > > > > > > Catfish >>> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>>> >>> > > > > > > tf >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>>> >>> > > > > > > atf> >>> > > > > > > ish/ >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > LOL >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >>> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are >>> > > listed on the >>> > > > > > > right >>> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives >>> > > by Year, >>> > > > > > > Month) >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel >>> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM >>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > > > > > > > catfish) >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on >>> > these >>> > > > > > > sites. While >>> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites >>> > > (such >>> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is >>> > > erroneous at >>> > > > > > > least in >>> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not >>> > having the >>> > > > > > > benefit of the >>> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give >>> > > advice >>> > > > > > > > > on >>> > > > > > > it. But >>> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals >>> > > don't always >>> > > > > > > read the >>> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with >>> > > these fish >>> > > > > > > here may >>> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), >>> > > Mongabay's >>> > > > > > > description >>> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species >>> > > IS NOT >>> > > > > > > > > an >>> > > > > > > accurate >>> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a >>> > > blanket >>> > > > > > > statement >>> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two >>> > > > > > > > > Striped >>> > > > > > > Raphael >>> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they >>> > > may not >>> > > > > > > need the >>> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly >>> > > association >>> > > > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > each >>> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial >>> > > towards their >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for >>> > > the most >>> > > > > > > part, but >>> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways >>> > > > > > > (sometimes >>> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when >>> > seeking out >>> > > > > > > > > their >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each >>> > > other, and >>> > > > > > > they both >>> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often >>> > > found in >>> > > > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > same >>> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their >>> > > tank, as >>> > > > > > > they're in >>> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require >>> > > them to be >>> > > > > > > in this >>> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal >>> > for the >>> > > > > > > species (I >>> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's >>> > > > > > > description is >>> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be >>> > territorial >>> > > > > > > towards other >>> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to >>> > > be seen, >>> > > > > > > but like >>> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can >>> > > they be >>> > > > > > > aggressive >>> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in >>> > the 17 >>> > > > > > > > > years >>> > > > > > > I've >>> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it >>> > > may be >>> > > > > > > assumed >>> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may >>> > > > > > > > > display >>> > > > > > > bad >>> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these >>> > > > > specimens. >>> > > > > > > Ray >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >>> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> >>> > > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael >>> > > catfish >>> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>>> which is >>> > > > > > > a >>> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that >>> > > list was >>> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >>> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >>> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial >>> > > towards >>> > > > > > > > > > its >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but >>> > > simply a >>> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. >>> > > Ideal for a >>> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish >>> > > smaller than >>> > > > > > > this >>> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and >>> > > comes out >>> > > > > > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > feed at >>> > > > > > > > > dusk." >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as >>> > > they will >>> > > > > > > have >>> > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to >>> > > be kept >>> > > > > > > > > > in >>> > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. >>> > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type >>> > > fish so be >>> > > > > > > aware >>> > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always >>> > > read the >>> > > > > > > same >>> > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your >>> > > corys. >>> > > > > > > > > > LOL >>> > > > > > > And >>> > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become >>> > > catfish >>> > > > > poop. >>> > > > > > > ;-) >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ >>> > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 >>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >>> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >>> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >>> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> >>> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >>> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman >>> > > Services, Lawn & >>> > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & >>> > > Trash >>> > > > > > > Hauling, >>> > > > > > > > > > Etc. >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39142	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It�s my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (M�ller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39143	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

No, but they're  not in with anybody who's small enough to scarf, either.  I've never seen them eat anything in fact, just snozzle around at dusk, but with their growth, I'm sure they're getting sufficient nutrition.  I use quite a bit of Hikari sinking carnivore and aglae wafers for the bottom dwellers.  When they lean against the glass, their bellies are are round and happy. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:32:25 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) The one I got was barely 2 inches at most and not very colorful, I am hoping he will be more social once he's more aware of the tank surroundings and other fish. Have yours made any meals of your smaller fish? Amber Dreamsteeds < Dreamsteeds@... > wrote: > > >My two Raphaels were completely invisible the first month or so; I didn't know if they were even still alive.  Then they emerged and now spend thier days "hidden" in two plants at opposite ends of the tank.  They probably got fed up by being rousted about, under the driftwood, by the Yoyo loaches who have little respect for anybody's personal space.  They have grown quickly, too; I understand they can attain six inches.  They're very striking in color and have dandy whiskers. > >Jackie > > > >Jackie Huey > Dreamsteeds@... > http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Amber Berglund" < amber@... > >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:42:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > >My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. > >Amber > >Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@... > wrote: > >>If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." >> >>Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray >> >> >> >>--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com , Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >>> >>> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed >>> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this >>> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some >>> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. >>> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. >>> >>> Amber >>> >>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were >>> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking >>> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) >>> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit >>> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a >>> > tan/whitish line along both sides. >>> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is >>> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it >>> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. >>> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and >>> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I >>> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) >>> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later >>> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking >>> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. >>> > >>> > Amber >>> > >>> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen >>> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. >>> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your >>> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking >>> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, >>> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you >>> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). >>> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a >>> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray >>> > > >>> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> >>> > wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks >>> > only >>> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark >>> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. >>> > > > >>> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him >>> > > now ;) >>> > > > >>> > > > Amber >>> > > > >>> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe >>> > > including >>> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a >>> > > better >>> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Amber >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species >>> > may not >>> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked >>> > > at still >>> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it >>> > > could be >>> > > > > > your >>> > > > > > picture. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > A front view of a juvi. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> >>> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. >>> > > > > > >>> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >>> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on >>> > > the right >>> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, >>> > > > > Month) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund >>> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM >>> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > catfish) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would >>> > > > > > probably >>> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the >>> > > "monster >>> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish >>> > > (talking >>> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have >>> > yet to >>> > > > > > see it >>> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group >>> > > > > photo's >>> > > > > > once it's approved. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >>> > >>> > > >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Amber >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek >>> > in the >>> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in >>> > > English, not >>> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would >>> > > not be so >>> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best >>> > > way to >>> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot >>> > > of fish >>> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same >>> > > species, >>> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external >>> > > differences. >>> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as >>> > genusname cf. >>> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like >>> > > it may >>> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet >>> > > because it >>> > > > > > > is like this other species. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well >>> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years >>> > a new >>> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones >>> > that may >>> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution >>> > > chain of >>> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > \\Steve// >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] >>> > > > > > > On Behalf Of >>> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel >>> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM >>> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > catfish) >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate >>> > as this >>> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. >>> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use >>> > > anything >>> > > > > > > but a common name as >>> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the >>> > ground >>> > > > > > > learning the basics, >>> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote >>> > > > > > > > scientific >>> > > > > > > names but prefer to >>> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions >>> > > can be >>> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the >>> > > > > > > > fish. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" >>> > we are >>> > > > > > > referring to; they are one >>> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for >>> > > > > > > > Paltydoras >>> > > > > > > costatus and may be >>> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. >>> > > > > > > > Incidentally, >>> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also >>> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you >>> > > > > > > > read), >>> > > > > > > as P. armulatus >>> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species >>> > as P. >>> > > > > > > costatus. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate >>> > > > > > > information on any one of these >>> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and >>> > > then, you >>> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a >>> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would >>> > > make such a >>> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish >>> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty >>> > > good with >>> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I >>> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it >>> > > appears >>> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in >>> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need >>> > > many nooks >>> > > > > > > and crannies." >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while >>> > > Striped >>> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are >>> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as >>> > > > > > > > Cory's >>> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that >>> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with >>> > > others of >>> > > > > > > their own species, I really >>> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable >>> > > with each >>> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle >>> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't >>> > > find this >>> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they >>> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, >>> > > there's a >>> > > > > > > pattern with these web >>> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy >>> > > another one >>> > > > > > > > that >>> > > > > > > they deem accurate, >>> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so >>> > > that the >>> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be >>> > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow >>> > > all of >>> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no >>> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to >>> > > know the >>> > > > > > > difference between >>> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend >>> > > this >>> > > > > > > > fish >>> > > > > > > be put in with much >>> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most >>> > > fish can be >>> > > > > > > opportunists when it >>> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to >>> > > be at all >>> > > > > > > interested in animal >>> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or >>> > > partial >>> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. >>> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and >>> > having a >>> > > > > > > > rather >>> > > > > > > large mouth) with much >>> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that >>> > > ScotCat >>> > > > > > > points out as being safe >>> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such >>> > > a meal >>> > > > > > > > -- >>> > > > > > > another possible error by >>> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or >>> > > opportunist). Ray >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >>> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after >>> > > doing a >>> > > > > > > little more >>> > > > > > > > > research. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the >>> > > common name >>> > > > > > > > > of >>> > > > > > > Striped >>> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what >>> > > is WRONG >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially >>> > catfish and >>> > > > > > > cichlids. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile >>> > mentions >>> > > > > > > > > this >>> > > > > > > issue. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>> >>> > > > > > > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> >>> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >>> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus >>> > > is much >>> > > > > > > more >>> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. >>> > > > > > > costatus. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has >>> > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >>> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, >>> > > after a >>> > > > > > > January >>> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND >>> > > ScotCat.com says >>> > > > > > > this... >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many >>> > > 'nooks and >>> > > > > > > crannies' >>> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding >>> > > places and >>> > > > > > > could do >>> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with >>> > > smaller fish >>> > > > > > > such as the >>> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will >>> > > do well >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American >>> > Characins >>> > > > > > > > > which >>> > > > > > > grow >>> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says >>> > > about P. >>> > > > > > > costatus, >>> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the >>> > > ScotCat >>> > > > > > > profile >>> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her >>> > > infamously >>> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped >>> > > Raphael >>> > > > > > > Catfish >>> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>>> >>> > > > > > > tf >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >>> > > >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>>> >>> > > > > > > atf> >>> > > > > > > ish/ >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > LOL >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder >>> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> >>> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> >>> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >>> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are >>> > > listed on the >>> > > > > > > right >>> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives >>> > > by Year, >>> > > > > > > Month) >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel >>> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM >>> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking >>> > > > > > > > > catfish) >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on >>> > these >>> > > > > > > sites. While >>> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites >>> > > (such >>> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is >>> > > erroneous at >>> > > > > > > least in >>> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not >>> > having the >>> > > > > > > benefit of the >>> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give >>> > > advice >>> > > > > > > > > on >>> > > > > > > it. But >>> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals >>> > > don't always >>> > > > > > > read the >>> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with >>> > > these fish >>> > > > > > > here may >>> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), >>> > > Mongabay's >>> > > > > > > description >>> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species >>> > > IS NOT >>> > > > > > > > > an >>> > > > > > > accurate >>> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a >>> > > blanket >>> > > > > > > statement >>> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two >>> > > > > > > > > Striped >>> > > > > > > Raphael >>> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they >>> > > may not >>> > > > > > > need the >>> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly >>> > > association >>> > > > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > each >>> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial >>> > > towards their >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for >>> > > the most >>> > > > > > > part, but >>> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways >>> > > > > > > (sometimes >>> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when >>> > seeking out >>> > > > > > > > > their >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each >>> > > other, and >>> > > > > > > they both >>> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often >>> > > found in >>> > > > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > same >>> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their >>> > > tank, as >>> > > > > > > they're in >>> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require >>> > > them to be >>> > > > > > > in this >>> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal >>> > for the >>> > > > > > > species (I >>> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's >>> > > > > > > description is >>> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be >>> > territorial >>> > > > > > > towards other >>> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to >>> > > be seen, >>> > > > > > > but like >>> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can >>> > > they be >>> > > > > > > aggressive >>> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in >>> > the 17 >>> > > > > > > > > years >>> > > > > > > I've >>> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it >>> > > may be >>> > > > > > > assumed >>> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may >>> > > > > > > > > display >>> > > > > > > bad >>> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these >>> > > > > specimens. >>> > > > > > > Ray >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" >>> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> >>> > > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael >>> > > catfish >>> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> >>> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> >>> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >>> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>>> which is >>> > > > > > > a >>> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that >>> > > list was >>> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >>> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>> >>> > > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> >>> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> >>> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >>> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial >>> > > towards >>> > > > > > > > > > its >>> > > > > > > own >>> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but >>> > > simply a >>> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. >>> > > Ideal for a >>> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish >>> > > smaller than >>> > > > > > > this >>> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and >>> > > comes out >>> > > > > > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > feed at >>> > > > > > > > > dusk." >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as >>> > > they will >>> > > > > > > have >>> > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to >>> > > be kept >>> > > > > > > > > > in > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39144	From: greychildren	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

did you guys say you whanted snails?.. i have tons in my tank free for the taking if eny one is interested dont know if there mystery snails or commond aquatic snails some of them are red thats all i know --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: amazonbirds@... > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? > > > > I like the idea of purple snails !! J > > > > It's my favorite color too !! lol > > > > Darlene > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS > > isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might be > > > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way to > > > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > > > > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were about > > > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > > > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > > > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water so > > > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my under > > > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > > > I did > > > not know when I would get usable water again. > > > > > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > > > were > > > > > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > > > cory's > > > > > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with my > > > > > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > plant > > > > > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > > > re-read > > > > > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind you > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. ;-) > > > > LOL I > > > > > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have live > > > > births > > > > > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > > > supply > > > > > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > > > granifera > > > > > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It also > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > > > excessive > > > > > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > > > both in > > > > > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > > > snails > > > > > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > > > > > hidden in > > > > > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails can > > > > > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > > > advantage > > > > > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > a bird > > > > > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > > > parthogenetic > > > > > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > snail > > > > > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They probably > > > > > > > > > aren't > > > > > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > > > crazy in > > > > > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of a > > > > > fish > > > > > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 small > > > > > > > > > snails. > > > > > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > > > > > very big. > > > > > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > > SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > > home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > > where > > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39145	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It’s my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might > be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way > to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were > about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water > so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my > under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with > > my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind > > > you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. > > > ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are > > > not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have > > > live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although > > > I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (Müller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It > > > also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails > > > can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They > > > probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of > > > a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 > > > small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39146	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Lenny, Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's why this won't die. When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get stopped in customs? Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It�s my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And... with 5 or more Mystery Snails, this time next year, you might > be > selling Mystery Snail babies too! ;-) Unless Pam has figured out a way > to > sex them at a young age where she's only shipping out males. LOL > > I could never sex the two I had before/during Katrina and they were > about > 1.5" in diameter. Unfortunately, they were my only Katrina related > casualties... about a week after I was finally able to do a PWC. The > chemists at my public utility said it was nothing to do with the water > so > I'm theorizing that I inadvertently starved them to death with my > under > feeding that I had to do in the five weeks during/after Katrina since > I did > not know when I would get usable water again. > > If I ever start setting up more tanks again, I'll probably get some again. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Okay I won't worry then ;) Thanks Pam. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. I will be sending more then 5. :) > > > > Pam > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:51:56 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > Yes, they are MTS apparently. Thanks Lenny. And I knew that snails > > were > > > > good for my tank and that's why I hadn't worried when i saw a few. I > > > > also have some "on order" from Pam, will be getting them with the > > cory's > > > > when she sends them off :) Perhaps I should get more than 5 from her > > > > now, LOL. What do you think Lenny, is 5 mystery snails enough with > > my > > > > MTS population in my 125 gallon tank, or should I get more than that? > > > > I'm also getting a couple of pleco's for the tank (BN pleco's). > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walstad instructions recommend snails to help convert missed food > > > into > > > > > plant > > > > > food (snail poop) and to help with algae, etc. Did you go back and > > re-read > > > > > the Cliff's Notes version on TheGAB's website? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the below page on Applesnail.net and let us know what kind > > > you > > have. > > > > > One person's cone is another persons dunce cap. No pun intended. > > > ;-) > > LOL I > > > > > just want to make sure of what you have. > > > > > > > > > > MTS - Malaysian Trumpet Snails are elongated cone shaped but are > > > not > > > a > > > > > nuisance snail like a common pond snail. This article > > > > > http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm> > > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm > <http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm>>> mirrors my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > about them. They do not lay eggs on anything but actually have > > > live > > births > > > > > of mini-me MTS'. They do not over-populate in most cases although > > > I > > > have > > > > > heard reports of them in really over fed tanks. Most snails are > > > > > opportunistic breeders and will only have offspring as the food > > > supply > > > > > allows. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the Applesnail.net page on other snails. > > > > > http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>> > > > > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php> > > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php > <http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php>>> > > > > > > > > > > And what they say about MTS': > > > > > > > > > > Family Thiaridae > > > > > > > > > > The species Melanoides tuberculata (M�ller, 1774) and Melanoides > > granifera > > > > > (Lamarck, 1822) are the best know species of this family and occur > > > in > > > > > almost > > > > > all aquaria around the world. > > > > > The Thiaridae are cosmopolitan freshwater snails. Most species of > > > this > > > > > family crawl through the mud in search for food, a life style that > > > makes > > > > > them attractive to keep in aquaria as they loosen the soil. It > > > also > > makes > > > > > these snails quite inconspicuous and the best changes to see them > > > are > > > > > during > > > > > the night and when overcrowding has occurred. In the latter case, > > > > > overfeeding of the fish in the aquarium might have caused an > > > excessive > > > > > population growth of snails. > > > > > Their toughness is probably the principal reason of their success > > both in > > > > > the wild as in the aquaria world. The horny operculum of these > > > snails > > > > > enables them to close their shell to protect them against drought > > > and > > > > > predators. They can easily survive periods of drought for months, > > > > > hidden in > > > > > the bottom. > > > > > Another thing that contributes to their ability to survive is the > > strength > > > > > and thickness of their shell; most snail eating fish, as well as > > > many > > > > > other > > > > > predators are not able to crush their shell. Even predators that > > > swallow > > > > > them whole won't always benefit from their meal as these snails > > > can > > > > > sometimes survive a trip through the intestines. This is a great > > advantage > > > > > for these snails as they can spread to new areas after being eaten > > > by > > > > > a bird > > > > > and expelled with the faeces. > > > > > One of the most remarkable features of these snails is their > > parthogenetic > > > > > reproduction: unfertilised females are able to reproduce. So only > > > one > > > > > snail > > > > > is needed to have more in short time. > > > > > (END SNIP) > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully yours are MTS and they will be good for you. They > > > probably > > > > > aren't > > > > > bad snails as the really bad snails would have been breeding like > > crazy in > > > > > your algae-fied tank (is algae-fied a word? If it isn't, some call > > Webster > > > > > and let them know I invented it! LOL). > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:32 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > > > > > > > > Okay my walstad (125 gallon tank) apparently has a few "pest" snails. > > > > > they haven't really bothered me, as I feel it's a natural part of > > > a > > > fish > > > > > tank to have snails, and I think in total there's less than 10 > > > small > > > > > snails. > > > > > They are cone shaped snails, not sure what kind those are, and not > > > > > very big. > > > > > Should I start getting rid of them or should I not worry too much? > > > > > > > > > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39147	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is necessary to put on the package. I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard they can mishandle the package. If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are treated the same as far as quickness goes. The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a warning on the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with perishable, up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they arrive alive! Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Lenny, Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's why this won't die. When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get stopped in customs? Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It's my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39148	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

I think I should copy this and send in the box. That way if they do check it, they will know who to blame. ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is necessary to put on the package. I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard they can mishandle the package. If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are treated the same as far as quickness goes. The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a warning on the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with perishable, up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they arrive alive! Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Lenny, Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's why this won't die. When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get stopped in customs? Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It's my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39149	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Hey... who has been spoofing my email address and giving all this illegal advice in this thread??? I didn't type any of that stuff!!! There.. that should throw them off the trail. ;-) Maybe we need to ask Amber if she is rougher on boxes with Glass or Fragile on the box... you know she is... especially on them days when hubby has been a PITA! (NO.. not PeTA... PITA... pain in the ...) Not that I have any experience at being a PITA when I was a hubby. I was perfect! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:47 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I think I should copy this and send in the box. That way if they do check it, they will know who to blame. ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is necessary to put on the package. I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard they can mishandle the package. If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are treated the same as far as quickness goes. The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a warning on the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with perishable, up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they arrive alive! Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Lenny, Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's why this won't die. When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get stopped in customs? Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It's my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39150	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Actually I'm the person who picks the box up (when it's upside down) and points out that it says fragile, then questions who handled it last ;) LOL. I try to pay attention to which way the arrows point on a box too ;) And "fragile" does not mean french for kick me ;) LOL. I must admit, I'm not so gentle on all the outgoing fish boxes we get of perishable frozen fish, there's just so much of it that after awhile it's just another heavy box ;) Shhh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Hey... who has been spoofing my email address and giving all this illegal > advice in this thread??? I didn't type any of that stuff!!! > > There.. that should throw them off the trail. ;-) > > Maybe we need to ask Amber if she is rougher on boxes with Glass or > Fragile > on the box... you know she is... especially on them days when hubby > has been > a PITA! (NO.. not PeTA... PITA... pain in the ...) Not that I have any > experience at being a PITA when I was a hubby. I was perfect! > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:47 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > I think I should copy this and send in the box. That way if they do check > it, they will know who to blame. ;) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:38 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of > > fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure > > these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is > > necessary to put on the package. > > I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters > > much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If > > anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring > > on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard > they can > > mishandle the package. > > If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are > > treated the same as far as quickness goes. > > The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a > warning on > > the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with > perishable, > > up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their > > package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they > > arrive alive! > > Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get > > you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink > > smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:02 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Lenny, > > Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's > why this > > won't die. > > When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get > > stopped in customs? > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Why does customs need to know? ;-) > > I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the > box... or > > it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) > > I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL > > UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That > Will Not > > Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of pam andress > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few > people to > > find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: amazonbirds@... <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> > > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? > > I like the idea of purple snails !! J > > It's my favorite color too !! lol > > Darlene > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS > > isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39151	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

HA HA HA HA HA HA I just fell off my chair laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All men are a PITA. It is natural. Just as all us women are too. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:53:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Hey... who has been spoofing my email address and giving all this illegal advice in this thread??? I didn't type any of that stuff!!! There.. that should throw them off the trail. ;-) Maybe we need to ask Amber if she is rougher on boxes with Glass or Fragile on the box... you know she is... especially on them days when hubby has been a PITA! (NO.. not PeTA... PITA... pain in the ...) Not that I have any experience at being a PITA when I was a hubby. I was perfect! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:47 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I think I should copy this and send in the box. That way if they do check it, they will know who to blame. ;) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is necessary to put on the package. I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard they can mishandle the package. If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are treated the same as far as quickness goes. The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a warning on the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with perishable, up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they arrive alive! Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Lenny, Some people LIKE snails and they are common in a tank. Maybe that's why this won't die. When I ship my snails I normally put perishable on the box. Will that get stopped in customs? Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Why does customs need to know? ;-) I hate when I forget to write "Live Animals" on the outside of the box... or it gets covered by the shipping label or packaging tape. ;-) I know.... I'm just a scofflaw! LOL UH OH... I just realized that I posted again in... "The Thread That Will Not Die!" MUAHHHAAHAAHAAA Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam do you ship all the way up to Canada?? I like the idea of purple snails !! J It's my favorite color too !! lol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 avril 2009 21:26 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Snails Pam has purple ones ;) hehe. My favorite color. My hubby says the LFS isn't allowed to order purple fish ;) LOL Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39152	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: constipated (?) Betta

I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't touch peas ..... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39153	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

Do the scales stick out or is he just very bloated looking? does he have any problems swimming? Try looking at this website on constipation for betta's. http://www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/constipation.php Amber darlene wrote: > > > I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very > bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. > > What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't > touch peas > ..... > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39154	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

How long has it been bloated? A constipated fish will be less likely to eat... although not always the case. What do you normally feed it? Freeze-dried blood worms have been known to cause digestive tract impaction/constipation. One way to help prevent this is to rehydrate the blood worms first by soaking them in a spoon of removed tank water first for a few minutes. This way, they don't swell up with water once inside the fish. What are the water parameters like? Bloating is often caused by an internal bacterial infection. You can also use a one-time treatment of soaking some food in an epsom salt brine solution and then feeding that food to the fish. Epsom salt will act as a laxative to fish when they won't eat peas. Bettas are carnivores so peas are probably like tofu to them... and I know I won't eat tofu either... although peas are OK. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't touch peas ..... Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39155	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Pam, Back in the day, when I was breeding and shipping killies and some wild bettas, we would put Biological Specimens on the box. This usually ensured a rapid delivery, and we never had any problems with customs. Now, things have changed a lot, so I do not know how that would affect how your item is treated. They may think it contains anthrax or another biological threat. The Biological Specimen thing did not fool the local Post Office for long. Somehow they found I was shipping and receiving fish this way, and always wanted to see what I was getting or sending. It was hard to avoid them, since my part of town did not have delivery and we had a P.O. Box, so I had to go down and pick them up--I'd get a call when they came in, and everyone was waiting when I'd get there so I could open the box and they could see what I had received. I had to leave the box open, to show them what I was shipping, or they would give me grief about it. Ah, the facts of life of living in a small town. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > pam andress > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:47 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > > I think I should copy this and send in the box. That way if they do check it, they will know > who to blame. ;) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > From: GoldLenny@... > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:22:38 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails > > Possibly... since "Perishable" would normally mean some kind of > fruit/vegetable which might be subject to import restrictions. I'm sure > these things are only randomly checked but I don't even think that is > necessary to put on the package. > > I really don't think putting warnings on the outside of a box even matters > much anymore. 99% of packages are bar-coded and electronically sorted. If > anything, putting glass or fragile or something like that might only bring > on the ire of some sorting clerk, having a bad day, to see how hard they can > mishandle the package. > > If you ship overnight or two-day Priority Mail, all of the packages are > treated the same as far as quickness goes. > > The recipient might be the only one that would pay attention to a warning on > the box so a mail room at a company might bring something, with perishable, > up to the recipient quicker. Of course, a fish buyer waiting on their > package will not care if it doesn't have warnings on it... as long as they > arrive alive! > > Just don't tell 'em that "Lenny told me to do it" when they come and get > you! Oh wait... I already put it in writing... but I did use the wink > smiley which gives me plausible deniability. ;-) > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > -------------------<snip>---------------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39156	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260388619437&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m37.l1313%26satitle%3D260388619437%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1 They're apparently bags designed for aquarium filtration, but with particular mesh sizes in microns. I can use something like this for separating diatoms from dirt for microscopy. Anyone know of filtering media like this or how I'd find it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39157	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

No. They selectively die on days when I don't clean the tank. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] ottos Perhaps they found the extra tank cleanings stressful? On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > It's extremely hard to get otos to live. I think I'd be delighted with a > stable population of three. I've heard of buying as many as ten in the > hopes a couple will live. > > If you do get them to live for a month, apparently you're off. > > Problem is it's apparently hard to breed them in captivity, so they're > rounded up and sent from South America, and they don't get the best > handling. And they're sensitive to tank conditions. Last week I lost > four of them to nto feeling well due to a virus. I only cleaned the tank > every other day. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <toddswoman496861@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] ottos > > right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 > guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are > the 2 I have living enough? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39158	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)

Can you send me a link to see what they look like? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 12:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) I was wondering if anyone out there has corydoras pulcher's (also called c number 5-3). I have my eye on them after seeing a picture of one online, but they seem hard to come by in the US. There are a few importers, but I don't want to pay 25 dollars a fish ;) LOL Anyone out there have any more info on these cute little cory's? Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?

If you read down in the description, they're not designed for aquariums but rather for home brewers of bio-diesel. Down near the bottom of the page, they also are selling a 10pk that has 1, 5 and 10 micron filter bags. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260388619437&ru=http%3A%2 F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp390 7.m37.l1313%26satitle%3D260388619437%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1 They're apparently bags designed for aquarium filtration, but with particular mesh sizes in microns. I can use something like this for separating diatoms from dirt for microscopy. Anyone know of filtering media like this or how I'd find it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39160	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)

Go to http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html and then look up any cory you want. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amazonbirds@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:42:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) Can you send me a link to see what they look like? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 12:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) I was wondering if anyone out there has corydoras pulcher's (also called c number 5-3). I have my eye on them after seeing a picture of one online, but they seem hard to come by in the US. There are a few importers, but I don't want to pay 25 dollars a fish ;) LOL Anyone out there have any more info on these cute little cory's? Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39161	From: pam andress	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

I KNOW the small town problems. If I get anything that looks like it may contain fish, I get a call. Which isn't all bad. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39162	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

No trouble swimming, begs constantly for food (gets fed once a day), scales stick out slightly (stretched?) where stomach is bloated, used to get freeze dried blood worms that are now soaked in water about 10 - 15 minutes before he gets them. Also eats the veggie flake food for the platies and the shrimp pellets after they soften and break up. I am wondering if the fish is really constipated or just fat from over eating. Will do my water parameters tomorrow as I just got home from work and I am off tomorrow ! yeah!! Tomorrow morning is tank cleaning day then I am going to see someone about a fish tank. I was offered a 105 gallon tank with stand, cover and lights (no filter, decorations etc) for 400.00$ told them that is was too expensive for me. I am trying to get this other tank for 100.00 (100 gallon tank with cover, lights, stand, accessories and filter) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 19:59 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta Do the scales stick out or is he just very bloated looking? does he have any problems swimming? Try looking at this website on constipation for betta's. http://www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/constipation.php Amber darlene wrote: > > > I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very > bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. > > What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't > touch peas > ..... > > Darlene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39163	From: darlene	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)

Will check the pet store out my way again, i think they have some of these and are selling them for about 5$ a fish Will let you know if this is the ones J Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: 9 avril 2009 20:59 To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) Go to http://www.nettaigyo.com/corydoras/encyc/index-e.html and then look up any cory you want. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> From: amazonbirds@... <mailto:amazonbirds%40videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:42:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) Can you send me a link to see what they look like? Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 12:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) I was wondering if anyone out there has corydoras pulcher's (also called c number 5-3). I have my eye on them after seeing a picture of one online, but they seem hard to come by in the US. There are a few importers, but I don't want to pay 25 dollars a fish ;) LOL Anyone out there have any more info on these cute little cory's? Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39164	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

Grey, You can find out for certain by checking out the diagrams and pictures here... http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails did you guys say you whanted snails?.. i have tons in my tank free for the taking if eny one is interested dont know if there mystery snails or commond aquatic snails some of them are red thats all i know --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. > > Pam >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39165	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

While fish can get fat, there's a difference between being bloated and fat. Bloating will happen only in the area of the digestive tract, if it's digestive bloating. Fat will be more uniform and the fish will just be bigger. A Betta's digestive system is so crammed into the thoracic area of the fish that they are a lot different than many other fish. Most fish have their anal opening down near the tail region of the fish, which further shows their digestive tract is elongated, where the Betta's anal opening is right at the end of the thoracic section, where the flesh of the tail region connects to the hard thoracic region. Dang... I used to have a good website that showed a Betta's anatomy in clear detail but it's no longer a working website... another one bites the dust! The scales sticking out slightly ONLY in the area where it is bloated is normal and not a sign of dropsy. Dropsy affects the entire fish and causes the entire fish to be bloated, not just a certain area... so that's a good thing but you are not out of risk yet until we are sure this is just constipation and not an internal bacteria infection. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta No trouble swimming, begs constantly for food (gets fed once a day), scales stick out slightly (stretched?) where stomach is bloated, used to get freeze dried blood worms that are now soaked in water about 10 - 15 minutes before he gets them. Also eats the veggie flake food for the platies and the shrimp pellets after they soften and break up. I am wondering if the fish is really constipated or just fat from over eating. Will do my water parameters tomorrow as I just got home from work and I am off tomorrow ! yeah!! Tomorrow morning is tank cleaning day then I am going to see someone about a fish tank. I was offered a 105 gallon tank with stand, cover and lights (no filter, decorations etc) for 400.00$ told them that is was too expensive for me. I am trying to get this other tank for 100.00 (100 gallon tank with cover, lights, stand, accessories and filter) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 19:59 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta Do the scales stick out or is he just very bloated looking? does he have any problems swimming? Try looking at this website on constipation for betta's. http://www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/constipation.php Amber darlene wrote: > > > I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very > bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. > > What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't > touch peas ..... > > Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39166	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Talking catfish? LOLOLOLOLOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now > ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > still > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > your > > > picture. > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > probably > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > "monster > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > (talking > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > see it > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > photo's > > > once it's approved. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > not > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be > > > > so > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > species, > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > > differences. > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because > > > > it > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > anything > > > > but a common name as > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > scientific > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > read), > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > you > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such > > > > > a > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > with > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > appears > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > nooks > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > Cory's > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > this > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > that > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > the > > > > difference between > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > fish > > > > be put in with much > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can > > > > > be > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > all > > > > interested in animal > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > partial > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > rather > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > ScotCat > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > -- > > > > another possible error by > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > little more > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > WRONG > > > > with > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > more > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after > > > > > > a > > > > January > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > says > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > and > > > > crannies' > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > and > > > > could do > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > such as the > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > with > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > which > > > > grow > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about > > > > > > P. > > > > costatus, > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > profile > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > infamously > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > > > > Raphael > > > > Catfish > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > atf> > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > sites. While > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > at > > > > least in > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > on > > > > it. But > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > always > > > > read the > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > here may > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > description > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > an > > > > accurate > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > blanket > > > > statement > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > not > > > > need the > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > with > > > > each > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > part, but > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > they both > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > as > > > > they're in > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > be > > > > in this > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > species (I > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > description is > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > towards other > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > seen, > > > > but like > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > aggressive > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > years > > > > I've > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > assumed > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > display > > > > bad > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > specimens. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > a > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > than > > > > this > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > to > > > > feed at > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > be > > > > aware > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > And > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > poop. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39167	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

Brine shrimp. It'll touch that. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't touch peas ..... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39168	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Must Have Amenity

LOL. In case you're lonely! (Trying to spell lonely and all that my fingers can produce is loney). Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ransome" <djransome@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Works fine for me. Here is the amenity I wanted you all to see: Companion goldfish delivered to your room for the duration of your stay upon request Hotel Palomar in San Francisco _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Where is the Rooms & Suites button??... or did you send this to the wrong group? I did click the "Click here to view our Art In Motion video"... but I didn't get it. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Must Have Amenity Here's the link; click Rooms & Suites and then scroll down, 5th bullet from the bottom. <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/> http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/> omar-sf.com/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39169	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Snails

thank you Lenny yea there Ramshorn snails and there every were and yes i keep up on my tank maintenance.. sense one of my clown loaches passed away they gotten out of control i used an empty bottle of medication with a piece of algae wafer and it gets full in two days. done for several days and it does not seam to make a dent on there population. Im trien to give em away to see if that helps dont like to kill the little guys I know some ppl love this snails and keep them as pets in there tanks --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:10 PM Grey, You can find out for certain by checking out the diagrams and pictures here... http://www.applesna il.net/content/ snails_various. php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:46 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails did you guys say you whanted snails?.. i have tons in my tank free for the taking if eny one is interested dont know if there mystery snails or commond aquatic snails some of them are red thats all i know --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, pam andress <pamandress23@ ...> wrote: > > > I have no idea what it takes to ship into Canada. I can ask a few people to find out. I would hate for them to die in customs. > > Pam > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39170	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3)

They look like this: http://www.corysrus.com/gallery_co_5.htm Amber darlene wrote: > > > Can you send me a link to see what they look like? > > Darlene > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: 9 avril 2009 12:22 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Corydoras Pulcher (C number 5-3) > > I was wondering if anyone out there has corydoras pulcher's (also called > c number 5-3). I have my eye on them after seeing a picture of one > online, but they seem hard to come by in the US. There are a few > importers, but I don't want to pay 25 dollars a fish ;) LOL > Anyone out there have any more info on these cute little cory's? > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39171	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Well, as I understand it, the sound is made by the pectoral fins moving around in their sockets...still, surprising enough. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds@... http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:12:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Talking catfish? LOLOLOLOLOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" < sevenspringss@... > To: < AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com , Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now > ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > still > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > your > > > picture. > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > > > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > > > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > probably > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > "monster > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > (talking > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > see it > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > photo's > > > once it's approved. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > > > > > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > not > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be > > > > so > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > species, > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > > differences. > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because > > > > it > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > anything > > > > but a common name as > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > scientific > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > read), > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > you > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such > > > > > a > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > with > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > appears > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > nooks > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > Cory's > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > this > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > that > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > the > > > > difference between > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > fish > > > > be put in with much > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can > > > > > be > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > all > > > > interested in animal > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > partial > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > rather > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > ScotCat > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > -- > > > > another possible error by > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > little more > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > WRONG > > > > with > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > more > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after > > > > > > a > > > > January > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > says > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > and > > > > crannies' > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > and > > > > could do > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > such as the > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > with > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > which > > > > grow > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about > > > > > > P. > > > > costatus, > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > profile > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > infamously > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > > > > Raphael > > > > Catfish > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > > > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > > > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > > > > atf> > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > sites. While > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > at > > > > least in > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > on > > > > it. But > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > always > > > > read the > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > here may > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > description > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > an > > > > accurate > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > blanket > > > > statement > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > not > > > > need the > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > with > > > > each > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > part, but > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > they both > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > as > > > > they're in > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > be > > > > in this > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > species (I > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > description is > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > towards other > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > seen, > > > > but like > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > aggressive > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > years > > > > I've > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > assumed > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > display > > > > bad > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > specimens. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> which is > > > > a > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > than > > > > this > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > to > > > > feed at > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > be > > > > aware > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > And > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > poop. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39172	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being upgraded for Vista. It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install IE or to remove it completely. Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a Vista base since I have not done much work with it. The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software > and firewall. > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. > ;-) LOL > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > comment further. > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. > ;-) > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done > with my usual daily stuff. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > browsers at present. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm > pulling it up again. > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with > Windows 7. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Steve, > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone > to a fake website. > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > Deb, > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems > occurring. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > fact > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and > won't > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > my > > room! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > > > > > DebR, > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take > a > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, > using > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > page of > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour > page > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if > it > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > add on > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on > the > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that > to > > the web page designers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39173	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: books

Baensch has not been updated, per se, but there are additional volumes with, mostly, different fish discussed within the pages. The fish you have and cannot find in Volume 1 may be found in another volume. I believe that there are now 5 freshwater volumes plus a photo index. There are also marine volumes. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Karen Hawk > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] books > > For an impulse buyer (like me!) the Baensch atlas and the Innes book make good home > reference, but I bought the following book : > Tropical Freshwater Aquarium Fish from A to Z (Compass Guide Series) by Ulrich Schliewen, > Dave (Editor) > at Barnes and Noble.  Its slim, has a waterproof plastic cover, and can be carried with you to > the fish store for a quick reference.  It also has beautiful clear pictures of the fish, so you > know what you are looking at.  And its not terribly expensive. > Has the Baensch book been updated in recent years?  I have an older copy and at least two of > the fish species I have are not listed in it: botia angelica (actually from what I have > researched botia kubotai), and the dwarf neon rainbows. > > Karen > > Karen and Rocky Hawk > Claymore Goldens > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > > Gail, At 2", your Blue Gourami's are less than 1/2 grown; they are still juveniles. Give them > time and as they mature I'm fairly sure they'll live up to their reputation. You don't say what > size your Tiger Barbs are (nor have you given any size for the Oto's or Emerald Cory Cats), > but if these Barbs are also small when compared to their full adult size, I feel you may also > expect aggression from them as they mature. Incidentally, since you hadn't given any sizes > for those fish I've brought to your attention, I considered them only half-grown also (as > might often be found in the LFS's), in concluding how overcrowded you tank is already. > > Back to a good reference book, I seriously recommend you looking into one, not only to > educate yourself as to which fish will best go together, but simply as I know you'd enjoy it. > The Baensch Atlas can still go for a minimum of about $30 today (but it's excellent). For a > less-pricey general information book, I would HIGHLY recommend Dr. William T. Innes' > "Exotic Aquarium Fishes." Similar to Shakespeare' s works, Innes' works in the aquarium field > have a universality of appeal --its content will never go out of date, even if there's been more > information since learned about the hobby, its fish and its general maintenance. It was called > the bible of the aquarium hobby in its time. The editions (Innes Publishing Company) are > collectable, but even if you get a 1968 (yellow cover) Metaframe Incorporated reprint, which > you can find on Ebay for less than $5, its content has not changed. I know you'd find it > invaluable. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <clandestine662002@ ...> wrote: > > > > Ray - > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way impulsive when it comes to > fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need to fill a void. > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. Also my school of Tiger > barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And > I already hate my CAE - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will most likely leave the big > fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I > have a 5 gallon, a 10 gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > > > thanks > > gail > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39174	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Give me back that filet-o-fish! Give me that back! Give me back that filet-o-fish! Give me that back! What if it were you hanging up on this wall? You wouldn't like it at all! You wouldn't like it at all! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- > Talking catfish? > > LOLOLOLOLOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39175	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: constipated (?) Betta

Maybe you should also check out the yahoo group "bettasplendens"  there's a lot of knowledgeable breeders and keepers with that group. Not to offend anyone here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39176	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: About my first set of fishes

Sorry about the divorce, but sounds like you are better off... Flushing live fish is cruel as well... You have way too many fish for a 10 gal.tank. Look for any message from Lenny and go to his blog at his signature line. He has a article on tank gal. tank stocking, and a lot of other good info that will get you off to a better start... Good luck and keep them swimming! Harl On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Dave H. <mrdavesmagic2003@...> wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! I wanted to share this story with you.  One time, when I was > first married to my ex wife in Oklahoma, and we had our tank set up.  My > step daugher just love to tap on the glass hard, She was 11 at the time. > I'll call her Step.  I have told her not to scare them.  She looked at me in > the face and gave me a frozen glare stare.  I remember I had 2 algae eater, > 2 pink skirt tetras, Neon Tetras, and 2 kissing gouramis.  After I moved out > of the house( we were separated), I told my soon to be ex wife and Step how > to take care of the fishes.  One day, my ex called me and said the fishes > were dying.  She wanted me to come and take care of them.  When I came over, > I was stunned.  There were no fish food, the heater were unplugged.  I asked > why?  My ex said she had enough of the fishes and wanted to get rid of > them.  I was hurt, but most of the fish were already dead, except for my > algae eater.  She said just to get rid of them.  So, I > drained the water out, and got all of the fishes out and put them in the > toilet.. She was watching me and making sure I was doing it.(she was a very > abusive ex wife, married 5 times), Even her dad was there.  So, finally, > when I put the Algae eater inside the toilet(it had 2 holes, one goes to the > drain, and the other is a small hole).  The algae eater was about 4 inches > long.  It went into the small hole.  Here's the funny part.  I told her that > it is waiting to bite her.  My ex wife couldn't use that toilet for a while, > thinking the algae eater was there!!!! Hahahaha!!!!!! When I got to > Michigan, she called me and said that she was going to get me.  I said that > is what you get for being cruel to the fishes.  She never apologized.  Now, > I have another fishes.  They are so cool,  I have a 10 gallon Tank with my > Betsy, an Angelfish, 3 zebra danios, 5 head and tail light tetras, 1 pink > skirt tetras, and a blind cave tetras.  I just love to > watch them play.  Wanted to share the funny story with you.. Sad, but I got > her good.. lol!!!!  Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39177	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish

Since it appears that your two Raphaels get along fine together but are now coming out of hiding, I guess the situation with my two Raphaels is not unique. Might just be that they do best in each other's company and feel comfortable enough to come out of hiding after first adjusting to the tank, possibly being more inclined to if they feel more at ease when there are others present. Could be something for Amber to keep in mind while there are still more of the same size at the LFS. They will get larger than 6" though; as I recently posted, which was missed here, my female is 9" and my male is 7". While they're 17 years old, they attained their full size early on. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Dreamsteeds <Dreamsteeds@...> wrote: > > > > My two Raphaels were completely invisible the first month or so; I didn't know if they were even still alive.  Then they emerged and now spend thier days "hidden" in two plants at opposite ends of the tank.  They probably got fed up by being rousted about, under the driftwood, by the Yoyo loaches who have little respect for anybody's personal space.  They have grown quickly, too; I understand they can attain six inches.  They're very striking in color and have dandy whiskers. > > Jackie > > > > Jackie Huey > Dreamsteeds@... > http://community.webshots.com/user/jackiehuey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:42:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss@... > wrote: > > >If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be "renagades" looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." > > > >Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork. Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome (LOL), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray > > > > > > > >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com , Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > >> > >> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed > >> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this > >> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some > >> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. > >> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall, LOL. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were > >> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking > >> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) > >> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit > >> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a > >> > tan/whitish line along both sides. > >> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is > >> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it > >> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. > >> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and > >> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I > >> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) > >> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later > >> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking > >> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > >> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > >> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > >> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking > >> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, > >> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you > >> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). > >> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a > >> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > >> > > > >> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks > >> > only > >> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > >> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > >> > > > > >> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > >> > > now ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > >> > > including > >> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a > >> > > better > >> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Amber > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species > >> > may not > >> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked > >> > > at still > >> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > >> > > could be > >> > > > > > your > >> > > > > > picture. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> > >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio >>>> > >> > > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > >> > > > > > > >> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 >>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> > >> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > >> > > the right > >> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > >> > > > > Month) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > >> > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > >> > > > > > probably > >> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > >> > > "monster > >> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > >> > > (talking > >> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have > >> > yet to > >> > > > > > see it > >> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > >> > > > > photo's > >> > > > > > once it's approved. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Amber > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek > >> > in the > >> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in > >> > > English, not > >> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would > >> > > not be so > >> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best > >> > > way to > >> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot > >> > > of fish > >> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > >> > > species, > >> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > >> > > differences. > >> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as > >> > genusname cf. > >> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like > >> > > it may > >> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > >> > > because it > >> > > > > > > is like this other species. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > >> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years > >> > a new > >> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones > >> > that may > >> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution > >> > > chain of > >> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > \\Steve// > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of > >> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > >> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate > >> > as this > >> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. > >> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > >> > > anything > >> > > > > > > but a common name as > >> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the > >> > ground > >> > > > > > > learning the basics, > >> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > >> > > > > > > > scientific > >> > > > > > > names but prefer to > >> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions > >> > > can be > >> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > >> > > > > > > > fish. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" > >> > we are > >> > > > > > > referring to; they are one > >> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > >> > > > > > > > Paltydoras > >> > > > > > > costatus and may be > >> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > >> > > > > > > > Incidentally, > >> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > >> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > >> > > > > > > > read), > >> > > > > > > as P. armulatus > >> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species > >> > as P. > >> > > > > > > costatus. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > >> > > > > > > information on any one of these > >> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and > >> > > then, you > >> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a > >> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would > >> > > make such a > >> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish > >> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty > >> > > good with > >> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I > >> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > >> > > appears > >> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > >> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need > >> > > many nooks > >> > > > > > > and crannies." > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > >> > > Striped > >> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > >> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > >> > > > > > > > Cory's > >> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > >> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with > >> > > others of > >> > > > > > > their own species, I really > >> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable > >> > > with each > >> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle > >> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't > >> > > find this > >> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they > >> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, > >> > > there's a > >> > > > > > > pattern with these web > >> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy > >> > > another one > >> > > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > they deem accurate, > >> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so > >> > > that the > >> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > >> > > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow > >> > > all of > >> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no > >> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to > >> > > know the > >> > > > > > > difference between > >> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > > fish > >> > > > > > > be put in with much > >> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most > >> > > fish can be > >> > > > > > > opportunists when it > >> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to > >> > > be at all > >> > > > > > > interested in animal > >> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > >> > > partial > >> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > >> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and > >> > having a > >> > > > > > > > rather > >> > > > > > > large mouth) with much > >> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > >> > > ScotCat > >> > > > > > > points out as being safe > >> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such > >> > > a meal > >> > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > another possible error by > >> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or > >> > > opportunist). Ray > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after > >> > > doing a > >> > > > > > > little more > >> > > > > > > > > research. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the > >> > > common name > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > Striped > >> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what > >> > > is WRONG > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially > >> > catfish and > >> > > > > > > cichlids. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile > >> > mentions > >> > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > issue. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >> > >> > > > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > >> > > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > >> > < http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus > >> > > is much > >> > > > > > > more > >> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > >> > > > > > > costatus. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > >> > > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > >> > > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > >> > < http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > >> > > after a > >> > > > > > > January > >> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND > >> > > ScotCat.com says > >> > > > > > > this... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many > >> > > 'nooks and > >> > > > > > > crannies' > >> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding > >> > > places and > >> > > > > > > could do > >> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with > >> > > smaller fish > >> > > > > > > such as the > >> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will > >> > > do well > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American > >> > Characins > >> > > > > > > > > which > >> > > > > > > grow > >> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > >> > > about P. > >> > > > > > > costatus, > >> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > >> > > ScotCat > >> > > > > > > profile > >> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > >> > > infamously > >> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > >> > > Raphael > >> > > > > > > Catfish > >> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca >>>> > >> > > > > > > tf > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > >> > < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc >>>> > >> > > > > > > atf> > >> > > > > > > ish/ > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LOL > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > >> > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>> > >> > > > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> > >> > > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >> > < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com < http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > >> > > listed on the > >> > > > > > > right > >> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > >> > > by Year, > >> > > > > > > Month) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > [mailto: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > >> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > > > > > > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on > >> > these > >> > > > > > > sites. While > >> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites > >> > > (such > >> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is > >> > > erroneous at > >> > > > > > > least in > >> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not > >> > having the > >> > > > > > > benefit of the > >> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give > >> > > advice > >> > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > it. But > >> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals > >> > > don't always > >> > > > > > > read the > >> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with > >> > > these fish > >> > > > > > > here may > >> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), > >> > > Mongabay's > >> > > > > > > description > >> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species > >> > > IS NOT > >> > > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > accurate > >> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > >> > > blanket > >> > > > > > > statement > >> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > >> > > > > > > > > Striped > >> > > > > > > Raphael > >> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they > >> > > may not > >> > > > > > > need the > >> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly > >> > > association > >> > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > each > >> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial > >> > > towards their > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for > >> > > the most > >> > > > > > > part, but > >> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > >> > > > > > > (sometimes > >> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when > >> > seeking out > >> > > > > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each > >> > > other, and > >> > > > > > > they both > >> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often > >> > > found in > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > same > >> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their > >> > > tank, as > >> > > > > > > they're in > >> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require > >> > > them to be > >> > > > > > > in this > >> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal > >> > for the > >> > > > > > > species (I > >> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > >> > > > > > > description is > >> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be > >> > territorial > >> > > > > > > towards other > >> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to > >> > > be seen, > >> > > > > > > but like > >> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can > >> > > they be > >> > > > > > > aggressive > >> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in > >> > the 17 > >> > > > > > > > > years > >> > > > > > > I've > >> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it > >> > > may be > >> > > > > > > assumed > >> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > >> > > > > > > > > display > >> > > > > > > bad > >> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > >> > > > > specimens. > >> > > > > > > Ray > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > >> > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > >> > > catfish > >> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >> > >> > > > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > >> > > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > >> > < http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm >>>>> which is > >> > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that > >> > > list was > >> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > >> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>> > >> > > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >> > >> > > > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > >> > > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > >> > < http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial > >> > > towards > >> > > > > > > > > > its > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but > >> > > simply a > >> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. > >> > > Ideal for a > >> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish > >> > > smaller than > >> > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and > >> > > comes out > >> > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > feed at > >> > > > > > > > > dusk." > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as > >> > > they will > >> > > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to > >> > > be kept > >> > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > >> > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type > >> > > fish so be > >> > > > > > > aware > >> > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always > >> > > read the > >> > > > > > > same > >> > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your > >> > > corys. > >> > > > > > > > > > LOL > >> > > > > > > And > >> > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become > >> > > catfish > >> > > > > poop. > >> > > > > > > ;-) > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > >> > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>> > >> > > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >> > >> > > > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > >> > > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > >> > < http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman > >> > > Services, Lawn & > >> > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & > >> > > Trash > >> > > > > > > Hauling, > >> > > > > > > > > > Etc. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39178	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

Yes, as the hobbyist usually buys an algae eater to take care of just that problem which these fish are best known to address, WITHOUT harassing their other fish when it gets bigger (as the CAE will), the hobbyist should look for an SAE (Siamese Algae Eater) -- which will continue to graze on algae as it grows -- instead of changing their diet to the fish slime of their tank mates. While Pea Gravel may be found at a much more reasonable price at Home Depot, Lowes or a local hardware store, you should be aware they since its not sold with the aquarium hobby in mind, it may contain limestone in some cases -- depending on the brand and where it was quarried from. This can both harden your water and increase its alkalinity. As the name implies, it's about the size of green peas, possibly a bit smaller, but not nearly as small as you've indicated using. If you're considering growing live plants though, you should get a substrate with allows for less compacting. Sand it also more difficult to vacuum as it's relatively light weight of the smaller granuals will promote its being drawn off with your Python or whatever you might use for this chore if getting too close. A better size would be either #2 or #3 commercial gravel which most LFS's carry. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 gallon. >   > And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea > gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have > to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for > under 7 dollars at my local store. > > Amber > > Dave H. wrote: > > > > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > Ray - > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > > to fill a void. > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > > > thanks > > gail > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > > replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39179	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Yes – though you can't hear what they're saying through the glass!! LOL Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 10 April 2009 00:12 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Talking catfish? LOLOLOLOLOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@... <mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now > ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > still > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > your > > > picture. > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o>> > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o> > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o>> > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > catfish) > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > probably > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > "monster > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > (talking > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > see it > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > photo's > > > once it's approved. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > not > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be > > > > so > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > species, > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > > differences. > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because > > > > it > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > anything > > > > but a common name as > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > scientific > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > read), > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > you > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such > > > > > a > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > with > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > appears > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > nooks > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > Cory's > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > this > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > that > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > the > > > > difference between > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > fish > > > > be put in with much > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can > > > > > be > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > all > > > > interested in animal > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > partial > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > rather > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > ScotCat > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > -- > > > > another possible error by > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > little more > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > WRONG > > > > with > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > more > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after > > > > > > a > > > > January > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > says > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > and > > > > crannies' > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > and > > > > could do > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > such as the > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > with > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > which > > > > grow > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about > > > > > > P. > > > > costatus, > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > profile > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > infamously > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > > > > Raphael > > > > Catfish > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > atf> > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > the > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > sites. While > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > at > > > > least in > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > on > > > > it. But > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > always > > > > read the > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > here may > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > description > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > an > > > > accurate > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > blanket > > > > statement > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > Striped > > > > Raphael > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > not > > > > need the > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > with > > > > each > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > part, but > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > they both > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > as > > > > they're in > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > be > > > > in this > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > species (I > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > description is > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > towards other > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > seen, > > > > but like > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > aggressive > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > years > > > > I've > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > assumed > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > display > > > > bad > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > specimens. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > a > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > than > > > > this > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > to > > > > feed at > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > be > > > > aware > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > LOL > > > > And > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > poop. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > their > > > > own > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39180	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to XP Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being upgraded for Vista. It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install IE or to remove it completely. Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a Vista base since I have not done much work with it. The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software > and firewall. > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. > ;-) LOL > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > comment further. > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. > ;-) > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done > with my usual daily stuff. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > browsers at present. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm > pulling it up again. > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with > Windows 7. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Steve, > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone > to a fake website. > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > Deb, > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems > occurring. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > fact > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and > won't > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > my > > room! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take > a > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, > using > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > page of > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour > page > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if > it > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > add on > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on > the > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that > to > > the web page designers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39181	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Yes, you can train these fish to talk, like you can a parrot. Mine say Good Morning to me when I turn on their lights, and Fishie Want A Pellet when they're hungry ! Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Talking catfish? > > LOLOLOLOLOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very > much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After > viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have > not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael > Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also > say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael > Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he > stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now > > ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > > still > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > > your > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > > probably > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > > "monster > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > > (talking > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > > see it > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > > photo's > > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > > not > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be > > > > > so > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > > species, > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > > > differences. > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because > > > > > it > > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > > anything > > > > > but a common name as > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > > scientific > > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > > read), > > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > > you > > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such > > > > > > a > > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > > with > > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > > appears > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > > nooks > > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > > Cory's > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > > this > > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > > that > > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > > the > > > > > difference between > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > > fish > > > > > be put in with much > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can > > > > > > be > > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > > all > > > > > interested in animal > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > > partial > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > > rather > > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > > ScotCat > > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > > -- > > > > > another possible error by > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > > little more > > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > > WRONG > > > > > with > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > > more > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after > > > > > > > a > > > > > January > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > > says > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > > and > > > > > crannies' > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > > and > > > > > could do > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > > with > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > > which > > > > > grow > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about > > > > > > > P. > > > > > costatus, > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > > profile > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > > infamously > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > > > > > Raphael > > > > > Catfish > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > atf> > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > > at > > > > > least in > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > > on > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > > always > > > > > read the > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > > here may > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > > description > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > > an > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > > blanket > > > > > statement > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > > not > > > > > need the > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > > with > > > > > each > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > > they both > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > > as > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > > be > > > > > in this > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > description is > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > > seen, > > > > > but like > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > > years > > > > > I've > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > display > > > > > bad > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > specimens. > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > > than > > > > > this > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > to > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > > be > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > And > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > > poop. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39182	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is

Lenny, Speaking of N'awlins and surroundings, I meant to ask you -- is there a town or area down more towards the delta by the name of "Paris?" I seem to remember a while back on a sports channel (TV) hearing of some good salt water sports fishing at that location in Louisiana off the coast; did I remember right? And, still speaking about N'awlins, although not on the subject of food -- just wanted to mention some of my favorite music originates from there. I believe the French Quarter is known for jazz music, unless I'm mistaken again, which I can enjoy but as another type of music I can also enjoy, Doug Kershaw ("The Ragin' Cajun/The King of the Fiddle") and his Cajun music was one of my favorites. I don't hear much of him anymore, but I note his son Sammy Kershaw has followed in his father's footsteps. Then, there was Fats Domino ("The Fat Man from New Orleans") with his own style of Rock 'N Roll which I used to enjoy in my teens. Any of this take you back? Oh, I don't know if any of Doug Kershaw's music had anything to do with "fish" (there, I stayed on topic - LOL). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Oh.. that's easy. > > Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's some > recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm > > MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down here > in N'Awlins! ;-) > > Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp from > Pascal's Manale Restaurant > http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still > dripping in hot & spicy flavors) > > The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Deenerz@... > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is > that??? > > > And perhaps some recipes for it ;) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is > that??? > > > One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a nice > > looking shrimp. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ > > Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39183	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

One other point to be considered here is the exact size of the gravel itself. I found some very nice material of tumbled natural creek pebbles that I thought were great for my aquarium. It was not! My tank went bad from uneaten food that became lodged in the pebbles even though I have a small army of Cory’s in the tank. Looking at the Cory’s and looking at the pebbles I realized that the Cory’s could not get at the food as it became lodged in the gravel because they could not move it to forge, it was too big. Yes I did vacuum the gravel, and at regular intervals, but this did not help. In fact, I think it made it worse because the food became more in trapped the further I tried to vacuum down to the bottom. Bargain gravel? Sometimes the bargain is there but the work to maintain water clarity and pureness is not. Stay with approved aquarium type products and you will be way ahead. Certainly your fish will! IMHO, Bill --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 8:16 AM > Yes, as the hobbyist usually buys an > algae eater to take care of just that problem which these > fish are best known to address, WITHOUT harassing their > other fish when it gets bigger (as the CAE will), the > hobbyist should look for an SAE (Siamese Algae Eater) -- > which will continue to graze on algae as it grows -- instead > of changing their diet to the fish slime of their tank > mates. > > While Pea Gravel may be found at a much more reasonable > price at Home Depot, Lowes or a local hardware store, you > should be aware they since its not sold with the aquarium > hobby in mind, it may contain limestone in some cases -- > depending on the brand and where it was quarried from.  > This can both harden your water and increase its > alkalinity.  As the name implies, it's about the size > of green peas, possibly a bit smaller, but not nearly as > small as you've indicated using.  If you're considering > growing live plants though, you should get a substrate with > allows for less compacting.  Sand it also more > difficult to vacuum as it's relatively light weight of the > smaller granuals will promote its being drawn off with your > Python or whatever you might use for this chore if getting > too close.  A better size would be either #2 or #3 > commercial gravel which most LFS's carry.  Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > > > What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was > considering sand for the 10 gallon. > >   > > And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my > Gouramis are getting sick? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, > they can get pea > > gravel that's normally used for driveway's and > landscaping. You'll have > > to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I > got a 50 lb bag for > > under 7 dollars at my local store. > > > > Amber > > > > Dave H. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ > yahoo.com > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. > com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. > com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my > Gouramis are getting sick? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > > > Ray - > > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm > (sp?). I am way > > > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy > one every time i need > > > to fill a void. > > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not > the case in my tank. > > > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they > are too absorbed in > > > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And > I already hate my CAE > > > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that > much. > > > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in > the 55 gallon. I will > > > most likely leave the big fish in there and the > school of Tiger Barbs. > > > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I > have a 5 gallon, a 10 > > > gallon, and a 20 gallon. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39184	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

My goldfish seem to talk – they come up to the glass and look quite aggressive – they're most likely asking, or demanding food Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: 10 April 2009 13:27 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Yes, you can train these fish to talk, like you can a parrot. Mine say Good Morning to me when I turn on their lights, and Fishie Want A Pellet when they're hungry ! Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Talking catfish? > > LOLOLOLOLOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen very > much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. After > viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your hopes, you have > not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael > Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also > say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael > Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he > stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks only > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him now > > ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe including > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a better > > > picture of him ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species may not > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked at > > > > still > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it could be > > > > your > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish.com > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=6312 > > > > > > > > A front view of a juvi. > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemio > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=phractocephalus+hemi o>> > > > > liopterus&image_id=381 > > > > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=305>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > > > > probably > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > > > > "monster > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > > > > (talking > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have yet to > > > > see it > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > > > photo's > > > > once it's approved. > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list> > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/243006836/pic/list>> > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek in the > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in English, > > > > > not > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would not be > > > > > so > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > > > > > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best way to > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot of fish > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > > > > > species, > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > > > > > differences. > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as genusname cf. > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like it may > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet because > > > > > it > > > > > is like this other species. > > > > > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years a new > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones that may > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > > > > > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution chain of > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate as this > > > > > pinpoints the species. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > > > > > > anything > > > > > but a common name as > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the ground > > > > > learning the basics, > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > > > > > > scientific > > > > > names but prefer to > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions can be > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > > > > > > fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" we are > > > > > referring to; they are one > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > > > > > > Paltydoras > > > > > costatus and may be > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > > > > > > Incidentally, > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > > > > > > read), > > > > > as P. armulatus > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species as P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > > > > > information on any one of these > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and then, > > > > > > you > > > > > don't need to refer to a > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would make such > > > > > > a > > > > > blatent error on a fish > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty good > > > > > > with > > > > > most any catfish, but I > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > > > > > > appears > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need many > > > > > > nooks > > > > > and crannies." > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > > > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > > > > > > Cory's > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with others of > > > > > their own species, I really > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable with each > > > > > other, as they will tussle > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't find > > > > > > this > > > > > to be the case at all; they > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, there's a > > > > > pattern with these web > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy another one > > > > > > that > > > > > they deem accurate, > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so that the > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > > > > > > authoritive. The trouble with that is mistakes will follow all of > > > > > those web sites as there's no > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to know > > > > > > the > > > > > difference between > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat, I would not recommend this > > > > > > fish > > > > > be put in with much > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most fish can > > > > > > be > > > > > opportunists when it > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to be at > > > > > > all > > > > > interested in animal > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > > > > > > partial > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and having a > > > > > > rather > > > > > large mouth) with much > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > > > > > > ScotCat > > > > > points out as being safe > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such a meal > > > > > > -- > > > > > another possible error by > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or opportunist). > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... I think I see where the problem may lie after doing a > > > > > little more > > > > > > > research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the common > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > Striped > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus. This is what is > > > > > > > WRONG > > > > > with > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially catfish and > > > > > cichlids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish.com, their profile mentions > > > > > > > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>> > > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880> > > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880 > > > <http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=880>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish, the P. armatulus is much > > > > > more > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > > > > > costatus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ScotCat.com has > > > > > http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm> > > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm > > > <http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/platydoras_costatus.htm>>> > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, after > > > > > > > a > > > > > January > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND ScotCat.com > > > > > > > says > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many 'nooks > > > > > > > and > > > > > crannies' > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding places > > > > > > > and > > > > > could do > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with smaller fish > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will do well > > > > > with > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American Characins > > > > > > > which > > > > > grow > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says about > > > > > > > P. > > > > > costatus, > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the ScotCat > > > > > profile > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > > > > > > > infamously > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS. It may not even be a Striped > > > > > > > Raphael > > > > > Catfish > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS, she may have bought one of these.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > atf> > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > > at > > > > > least in > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > > on > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > > always > > > > > read the > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > > here may > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > > description > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > > an > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > > blanket > > > > > statement > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > > not > > > > > need the > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > > with > > > > > each > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > > they both > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > > as > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > > be > > > > > in this > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > description is > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > > seen, > > > > > but like > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > > years > > > > > I've > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > display > > > > > bad > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > specimens. > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > > than > > > > > this > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > to > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > > be > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > And > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > > poop. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39185	From: Wendie	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version of Vista. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to XP Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being upgraded for Vista. It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install IE or to remove it completely. Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a Vista base since I have not done much work with it. The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software > and firewall. > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. > ;-) LOL > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > comment further. > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. > ;-) > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done > with my usual daily stuff. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > browsers at present. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm > pulling it up again. > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with > Windows 7. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Steve, > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone > to a fake website. > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > Deb, > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems > occurring. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > fact > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and > won't > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > my > > room! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take > a > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, > using > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > page of > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour > page > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if > it > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > add on > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on > the > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that > to > > the web page designers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39186	From: Dreamsteeds	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking cat

Oh my, with their shape, nine inches must be a pretty substantial catfish.  My two don't hang out together at all.  I've never seen any inclination of antipathy between them but they spend their time in diametrically opposite corners of the tank.  Maybe they carouse together late at night. Jackie Jackie Huey Dreamsteeds @... http ://community. webshots .com/user/ jackiehuey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wetzel " < sevenspringss @ wmconnect .com> To: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:56:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [ AquaticLife ] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Since it appears that your two Raphaels get along fine together but are now coming out of hiding, I guess the situation with my two Raphaels is not unique. Might just be that they do best in each other's company and feel comfortable enough to come out of hiding after first adjusting to the tank, possibly being more inclined to if they feel more at ease when there are others present. Could be something for Amber to keep in mind while there are still more of the same size at the LFS . They will get larger than 6" though; as I recently posted, which was missed here, my female is 9" and my male is 7". While they're 17 years old, they attained their full size early on. Ray --- In AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com , Dreamsteeds < Dreamsteeds @...> wrote: > > > > My two Raphaels were completely invisible the first month or so; I didn't know if they were even still alive.  Then they emerged and now spend thier days "hidden" in two plants at opposite ends of the tank.  They probably got fed up by being rousted about, under the driftwood, by the Yoyo loaches who have little respect for anybody's personal space.  They have grown quickly, too; I understand they can attain six inches.  They're very striking in color and have dandy whiskers. > > Jackie > > > > Jackie Huey > Dreamsteeds @... > http ://community. webshots .com/user/ jackiehuey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund " <amber@...> > To: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:42:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [ AquaticLife ] Red tailed Catfish Was: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > > > > > > > My tank is covered but there is a few inches of a gap along the front so it is possible that the red tail catfish could have escaped. I have checked the likely decorations that he may be hiding in but haven't found him yet. I'm going to check the smaller ornaments next, perhaps he shoved himself into something. I'm hoping that the striped raphael catfish will start to come out more often. Maybe when he gets more comfortable. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel < sevenspringss @... > wrote: > > >If any of your decorations are hollow, and there's access to these areas, it could be hiding in there. I don't know the configuration or sizes of any holes you have in the tank's cover, so I don't know how easy it is for this fish to jump, but everyone should be aware that most any fish can jump and possibly may at any time in the future -- after which, it's too late to do much about it, when adaquately covering the tank could have prevented it. There are times when, despite our best efforts in eliminating or reducing and escape routes, that some fish will still find their way out -- can't do much about that. There will always be " renagades " looking for greener water on "the other side of the fence." > > > >Back to the Striped Raphael catfish, when seen in the store all bunched up in the corner, it was because this (and many other) species feel insecure and vulnerable when there is nothing to hide under to protect them from possible real or imagined enemies from above the surface. They do best with at least some driftwood or rockwork . Once feeling comfortable, they will come out of hiding in the daytime to feed with the other fishes. Please note, I won't always use the term "fishes" as it can get cumbersome ( LOL ), but will use it at times (but even then, not always) since it is proper in certain situations. Ray > > > > > > > >--- In AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com , Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > >> > >> Should I be worried if I still haven't seen any signs of the red tailed > >> catfish in about 24 hours now? I checked when the lights turned on this > >> morning and I still see no signs of him in the tank. I will remove some > >> decorations tonight and see if he's still in there I guess. > >> Perhaps I don't have to take him back afterall , LOL . > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Sorry Ray, I should have changed the subject, the pictures I posted were > >> > of the red tail catfish that I bought, I can't find the "talking > >> > catfish" to take photos of. He's in the tank.... somewhere ;) > >> > He's much smaller than the catfish I took pictures of, and he's a bit > >> > flatter in the head as well, a dark mottled brown color with a > >> > tan/whitish line along both sides. > >> > Lenny isn't sure that the fish I bought labled red tailed catfish is > >> > really a red tailed catfish, that's why I posted so many pictures of it > >> > to see if someone else could help confirm it. > >> > To be honest I went to try to net the red tailed catfish last night and > >> > take him back to the store, but I couldn't find him in the tank... I > >> > wonder if he "jumped tank" so to speak ;) > >> > I moved all the decorations and didn't find him, will check later > >> > tonight to see if he was just hiding too well on me ;) I was looking > >> > after lights out so I figured he would have come out of hiding. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > > >> > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > >> > > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > >> > > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > >> > > hopes, you have not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking > >> > > Catfish" IS a Raphael Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, > >> > > spotted or striped), I can also say with absolution that you > >> > > definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael Catfish (nor a spotted one). > >> > > Looks like Lenny was on the money when he stated it looking like a > >> > > Red-tailed Catfish. Ray > >> > > > >> > > --- In AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Okay, I'm now posting several pictures of the little guy, he looks > >> > only > >> > > > slightly spotted to me, his background color is nearly the same dark > >> > > > color as his spots though, maybe he lightens as he gets older. > >> > > > > >> > > > I think I uploaded 7 or so, should be able to get a good view of him > >> > > now ;) > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber > >> > > > > >> > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Perhaps it's too young? The little guy is only 3 inches maybe > >> > > including > >> > > > > his tail. I can go turn the light back on and see if I can get a > >> > > better > >> > > > > picture of him ;) LOL . > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Amber > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I don't see a red tail. Of course, the juvis of this species > >> > may not > >> > > > > > display the red tail yet... but even the juvi pictures I looked > >> > > at still > >> > > > > > have the spotted head and I don't see the spotted head but it > >> > > could be > >> > > > > > your > >> > > > > > picture. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Here's a pic of a juvi red tail catfish on PlanetCatfish .com > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >>>> > >> > > > > > liopterus & image_id =6312 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > A front view of a juvi . > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /image. php ?species= phractocephalus + hemio >>>> > >> > > > > > liopterus & image_id =381 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The full profile with lots of other pics. > >> > > > > > > >> > http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =305 >>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > > Fish Blog - http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>> > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>>> > >> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > >> > > the right > >> > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > >> > > > > Month) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > From: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > [ mailto : AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:19 PM > >> > > > > > To: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ AquaticLife ] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I agree it would be easier a lot of the time, but yeah, they would > >> > > > > > probably > >> > > > > > find some way to mess it up as well ;) I uploaded a pic of the > >> > > "monster > >> > > > > > catfish" as well, and if I can find the striped raphael catfish > >> > > (talking > >> > > > > > catfish) in the tank, I will get a photo of it. So far I have > >> > yet to > >> > > > > > see it > >> > > > > > since I put it in the tank ;) Monster cat can be found in my group > >> > > > > photo's > >> > > > > > once it's approved. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > > >> > > >> > > > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list > >> > < http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AquaticLife /photos/album/243006836/pic/list >>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Amber > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If they would once again start teaching Latin and/or Greek > >> > in the > >> > > > > > > schools, even in obtuse ways, such as word derivations in > >> > > English, not > >> > > > > > > to mention directly in various science courses, people would > >> > > not be so > >> > > > > > > afraid of those words used to label fish. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientific names (not always Latin and/or Greek) is the best > >> > > way to > >> > > > > > > identify fish. However, it is not foolproof. There are a lot > >> > > of fish > >> > > > > > > that look very similar to each other that are not of the same > >> > > species, > >> > > > > > > but the differences that make this so may not be external > >> > > differences. > >> > > > > > > In the literature, you will see a fish identified as > >> > genusname cf. > >> > > > > > > speciesname which pretty much means that this fish looks like > >> > > it may > >> > > > > > > be a certain species of this genus, but we are not sure yet > >> > > because it > >> > > > > > > is like this other species. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientists also use common names <gasp!>. However they are well > >> > > > > > > defined as to the species they refer to, and every few years > >> > a new > >> > > > > > > book is release defining these common names, and new ones > >> > that may > >> > > > > > > have come into use since the last publication. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure, however, that those involved in the distribution > >> > > chain of > >> > > > > > > live fish would also find a way to misuse scientific names. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > \\Steve// > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > [ mailto : AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>] > >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of > >> > > > > > > > Raymond Wetzel > >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:29 AM > >> > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > Subject: [ AquaticLife ] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lenny, Agreed, scientific names are always more accurate > >> > as this > >> > > > > > > pinpoints the species. > >> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the beginner hobbyist will almost never use > >> > > anything > >> > > > > > > but a common name as > >> > > > > > > > they have enough trouble just getting their hobby off the > >> > ground > >> > > > > > > learning the basics, > >> > > > > > > > besides, the LFS's where they get their fish seldom promote > >> > > > > > > > scientific > >> > > > > > > names but prefer to > >> > > > > > > > use common names instead, often because these descriptions > >> > > can be > >> > > > > > > catchy enough to sell the > >> > > > > > > > fish. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, it doesn't matter which of these "two fish" > >> > we are > >> > > > > > > referring to; they are one > >> > > > > > > > and the same. Platydoras armulatus is a junior synonym for > >> > > > > > > > Paltydoras > >> > > > > > > costatus and may be > >> > > > > > > > used interchangeably although P. costatus is preferred. > >> > > > > > > > Incidentally, > >> > > > > > > PlanetCatfish is also > >> > > > > > > > wrong (YET ANOTHER case where you can't believe everything you > >> > > > > > > > read), > >> > > > > > > as P. armulatus > >> > > > > > > > obviously can't be more peaceful -- it is the SAME species > >> > as P. > >> > > > > > > costatus . > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's not always easy to know when one is being given accurate > >> > > > > > > information on any one of these > >> > > > > > > > groups, unless one first has experience with a fish -- and > >> > > then, you > >> > > > > > > don't need to refer to a > >> > > > > > > > site by then anyway. Surprising that PlanetCatfish would > >> > > make such a > >> > > > > > > blatent error on a fish > >> > > > > > > > that should be familiar to them, as they're usually pretty > >> > > good with > >> > > > > > > most any catfish, but I > >> > > > > > > > guess it shows we can't believe everything. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Going by what I've observed with this fish for 17 years, it > >> > > appears > >> > > > > > > ScotCat is also wrong in > >> > > > > > > > saying "If keeping more than one, you will certainly need > >> > > many nooks > >> > > > > > > and crannies." > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adding to my post, I just wanted to say for Amber that while > >> > > Striped > >> > > > > > > Raphael Catfish are > >> > > > > > > > said to not need the company of others of their own kind -- as > >> > > > > > > > Cory's > >> > > > > > > prefer -- I'm not that > >> > > > > > > > sure that this is totally correct. They may do best with > >> > > others of > >> > > > > > > their own species, I really > >> > > > > > > > can't say, but I can say that mine seem very comfortable > >> > > with each > >> > > > > > > other, as they will tussle > >> > > > > > > > with each other for the best hiding places . . . " I don't > >> > > find this > >> > > > > > > to be the case at all; they > >> > > > > > > > both inhabit the same area and hiding places. Sometimes, > >> > > there's a > >> > > > > > > pattern with these web > >> > > > > > > > sites in that to add to their content, they will copy > >> > > another one > >> > > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > they deem accurate, > >> > > > > > > > changing some of the wording to make it look original so > >> > > that the > >> > > > > > > Searcher feels it to be > >> > > > > > > > authoritive . The trouble with that is mistakes will follow > >> > > all of > >> > > > > > > those web sites as there's no > >> > > > > > > > practical experience brought into the equation for them to > >> > > know the > >> > > > > > > difference between > >> > > > > > > > right and wrong -- and we take a chance on believing them. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would say though, that like ScotCat , I would not recommend > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > > fish > >> > > > > > > be put in with much > >> > > > > > > > smaller fish as, like we've said many times before, most > >> > > fish can be > >> > > > > > > opportunists when it > >> > > > > > > > comes to obtaining a meal. I've never seen this catfish to > >> > > be at all > >> > > > > > > interested in animal > >> > > > > > > > matter such as live fish, and it's probably an herbivor (or > >> > > partial > >> > > > > > > omnivore) for the most part. > >> > > > > > > > But then, I wouldn't trust any fish getting to 9" (and > >> > having a > >> > > > > > > > rather > >> > > > > > > large mouth) with much > >> > > > > > > > smaller fish. Even the 6 - 8 cm (2 1/2" - 3 1/2") fish that > >> > > ScotCat > >> > > > > > > points out as being safe > >> > > > > > > > would be in danger if a full size Striped Raphael want such > >> > > a meal > >> > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > another possible error by > >> > > > > > > > ScotCat if this species were a known predator (or > >> > > opportunist). Ray > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---In AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny " > >> > > > > > > < GoldLenny @> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm .... I think I see where the problem may lie after > >> > > doing a > >> > > > > > > little more > >> > > > > > > > > research. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, Platydoras costatus is also called by the > >> > > common name > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > Striped > >> > > > > > > > > Raphael Catfish, as is Platydoras armatulus . This is what > >> > > is WRONG > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > common names on many species of fish... especially > >> > catfish and > >> > > > > > > cichlids . > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In doing a search on PlanetCatfish .com, their profile > >> > mentions > >> > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > issue. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >>>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > > >> > > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 > >> > < http :// www . planetcatfish .com/ catelog /species. php ? species_id =880 >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Apparently, according to PlanetCatfish , the P. armatulus > >> > > is much > >> > > > > > > more > >> > > > > > > > > peaceful... or Mongabay could be still be wrong about the P. > >> > > > > > > costatus . > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ScotCat .com has > >> > > > > > > http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm > >> > < http :// www . scotcat .com/ factsheets / platydoras_costatus . htm >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > with P. costatus in the URL but P. armatulus in the title, > >> > > after a > >> > > > > > > January > >> > > > > > > > > 2009 edit mentioned at the top of the profile AND > >> > > ScotCat .com says > >> > > > > > > this... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "If keeping more then one you will certainly need many > >> > > 'nooks and > >> > > > > > > crannies' > >> > > > > > > > > as they will tussle with each other for the best hiding > >> > > places and > >> > > > > > > could do > >> > > > > > > > > damage with these pectorals. Not to be trusted with > >> > > smaller fish > >> > > > > > > such as the > >> > > > > > > > > small tetras as they will be picked of at night but will > >> > > do well > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > Cichlids and the middle of the range South American > >> > Characins > >> > > > > > > > > which > >> > > > > > > grow > >> > > > > > > > > over the 6-8cm range.", which mirrors what Mongabay says > >> > > about P. > >> > > > > > > costatus , > >> > > > > > > > > so now the big question is which name is accurate on the > >> > > ScotCat > >> > > > > > > profile > >> > > > > > > > > since they use both scientific names on their website. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess now... it depends on what Amber bought from her > >> > > infamously > >> > > > > > > > > erroneously mislabeling LFS . It may not even be a Striped > >> > > Raphael > >> > > > > > > Catfish > >> > > > > > > > > of either of the above species. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Knowing her LFS , she may have bought one of these.... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantca >>>> > >> > > > > > > tf > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > > >> > > > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc > >> > < http ://news. nationalgeographic .com/news/2005/06/ photogalleries / giantc >>>> > >> > > > > > > atf > > >> > > > > > > ish / > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LOL > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>> > >> > > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>> > >> > > > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >> > >> > > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com > > >> > < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com < http :// GoldLenny . blogspot .com >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > >> > > listed on the > >> > > > > > > right > >> > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > >> > > by Year, > >> > > > > > > Month) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > [ mailto : AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > >> > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [ AquaticLife ] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > >> > > > > > > > > catfish) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on > >> > these > >> > > > > > > sites. While > >> > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites > >> > > (such > >> > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia , etc.), here's a case where this info is > >> > > erroneous at > >> > > > > > > least in > >> > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not > >> > having the > >> > > > > > > benefit of the > >> > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give > >> > > advice > >> > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > it. But > >> > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals > >> > > don't always > >> > > > > > > read the > >> > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with > >> > > these fish > >> > > > > > > here may > >> > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), > >> > > Mongabay's > >> > > > > > > description > >> > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species > >> > > IS NOT > >> > > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > accurate > >> > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > >> > > blanket > >> > > > > > > statement > >> > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > >> > > > > > > > > Striped > >> > > > > > > Raphael > >> > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they > >> > > may not > >> > > > > > > need the > >> > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly > >> > > association > >> > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > each > >> > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial > >> > > towards their > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for > >> > > the most > >> > > > > > > part, but > >> > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > >> > > > > > > (sometimes > >> > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when > >> > seeking out > >> > > > > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each > >> > > other, and > >> > > > > > > they both > >> > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often > >> > > found in > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > same > >> > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their > >> > > tank, as > >> > > > > > > they're in > >> > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require > >> > > them to be > >> > > > > > > in this > >> > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal > >> > for the > >> > > > > > > species (I > >> > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > >> > > > > > > description is > >> > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be > >> > territorial > >> > > > > > > towards other > >> > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to > >> > > be seen, > >> > > > > > > but like > >> > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can > >> > > they be > >> > > > > > > aggressive > >> > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in > >> > the 17 > >> > > > > > > > > years > >> > > > > > > I've > >> > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it > >> > > may be > >> > > > > > > assumed > >> > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > >> > > > > > > > > display > >> > > > > > > bad > >> > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > >> > > > > specimens. > >> > > > > > > Ray > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife @ yahoogroups .com > >> > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > < mailto : AquaticLife %40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny " > >> > > > > > > < GoldLenny @> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > >> > > catfish > >> > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >>> > >> > > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >> > >> > > > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > > >> > > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm > >> > < http :// www . mongabay .com/topics/ Striped_Raphael_Catfish . htm >>>>> which is > >> > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that > >> > > list was > >> > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >> > >> > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >>> > >> > > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >> > >> > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >>>> > >> > > > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >> > >> > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >>> > >> > > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >> > >> > > > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > > >> > > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html > >> > < http ://fish. mongabay .com/species/ Platydoras _ costatus . html >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial > >> > > towards > >> > > > > > > > > > its > >> > > > > > > own > >> > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but > >> > > simply a > >> > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. > >> > > Ideal for a > >> > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish > >> > > smaller than > >> > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and > >> > > comes out > >> > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > feed at > >> > > > > > > > > dusk." > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as > >> &g [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39187	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

Hi Ray, Would you know the diameter of the size of gravel for # 2 or # 3. Thanks for your wealth of info. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE Yes, as the hobbyist usually buys an algae eater to take care of just that problem which these fish are best known to address, WITHOUT harassing their other fish when it gets bigger (as the CAE will), the hobbyist should look for an SAE (Siamese Algae Eater) -- which will continue to graze on algae as it grows -- instead of changing their diet to the fish slime of their tank mates. While Pea Gravel may be found at a much more reasonable price at Home Depot, Lowes or a local hardware store, you should be aware they since its not sold with the aquarium hobby in mind, it may contain limestone in some cases -- depending on the brand and where it was quarried from. This can both harden your water and increase its alkalinity. As the name implies, it's about the size of green peas, possibly a bit smaller, but not nearly as small as you've indicated using. If you're considering growing live plants though, you should get a substrate with allows for less compacting. Sand it also more difficult to vacuum as it's relatively light weight of the smaller granuals will promote its being drawn off with your Python or whatever you might use for this chore if getting too close. A better size would be either #2 or #3 commercial gravel which most LFS's carry. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 gallon. > > And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea > gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have > to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for > under 7 dollars at my local store. > > Amber > > Dave H. wrote: > > > > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > Ray - > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > > to fill a void. > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > > gallon, and a 20 gallon. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39188	From: hank voss	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > Ray: Be sure to tell us when you teach yours to ask for a drink of water!! (You have to stop swallowing the water when you siphon your tanks). Hank ----------------------------------------- > Yes, you can train these fish to talk, like you can a parrot. Mine say Good Morning to me when I turn on their lights, and Fishie Want A Pellet when they're hungry ! Ray > ------------------------------------------- http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantca>> > > > > > > tf >><http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc> > > > > > > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc > > > > <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantc>> > > > > > > atf> > > > > > > ish/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:31 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet ANOTHER example of you can't believe all you read on these > > > > > > sites. While > > > > > > > > Mongabay is usually more accurate than most other websites (such > > > > > > > > as Wikipedia, etc.), here's a case where this info is erroneous > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > least in > > > > > > > > some cases -- and any hobbyist offering advice not having the > > > > > > benefit of the > > > > > > > > experience with the fish in question is at a loss to give advice > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > it. But > > > > > > > > you're absolutely right when stating that the animals don't > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > same stuff we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While it may be kept in mind that the experience with these fish > > > > > > here may > > > > > > > > not necessarily be the norm either (or maybe it is), Mongabay's > > > > > > description > > > > > > > > of this species being territorial towards its own species IS NOT > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > accurate > > > > > > > > statement in the least, especially when it appears to be a > > > > > > > > blanket > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > -- as I don't see any exceptions mentioned. I'm keeping two > > > > > > > > Striped > > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > > Catfish in the same tank now for 17 years, and while they may > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > need the > > > > > > > > company of their own kind, their extremely friendly association > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > other dispells this notion that they are territorial towards > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > species. These two Raphael cats pal around together for the most > > > > > > part, but > > > > > > > > just like most any other fish, will go their separate ways > > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > > > criss-crossing by each other) at feeding time when seeking out > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > food. There is never any animosity shown towards each other, and > > > > > > they both > > > > > > > > get along especially well together. They're most often found in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > place and this is not because of small confines of their tank, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > they're in > > > > > > > > a 100 gallon. Their amicable behavior does not require them to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > size tank though, as their close proximity is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this pleasant behavior may or may not be normal for the > > > > > > species (I > > > > > > > > cannot comment on that), it positively shows that Mongabay's > > > > > > description is > > > > > > > > certainly less than accurate. Perhaps they may be territorial > > > > > > towards other > > > > > > > > catfish species, and again perhaps not -- that remains to be > > > > > > > > seen, > > > > > > but like > > > > > > > > any other fish (and that includes most), only maybe can they be > > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > > > towards other fish but I've never seen this to occur in the 17 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > had this species. But again, like most any other fish, it may be > > > > > > assumed > > > > > > > > that at least at some point some individual of a species may > > > > > > > > display > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > behavior although I've failed to observe this with these > > > > specimens. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > > > > > > <GoldLenny@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mongabay is your friend... A Google of - striped raphael > > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > mongabay - brought up this link... > > > > > > > > > http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>> > > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm> > > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm > > > > <http://www.mongabay.com/topics/Striped_Raphael_Catfish.htm>>> which is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > list of links about the S.R.C... the top link on that list was > > > > > > > > > the Mongabay profile/care sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>> > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html> > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Platydoras_costatus.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Social Behavior (SB) section says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Social behavior: A peaceful fish that is territorial towards > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > species. In territorial disputes, no harm is done, but simply > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > display of pectoral and dorsal spines is performed. Ideal for > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > community tank with fishes over 2" (5 cm), as fish smaller > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > size may be eaten. It often hides during the day, and comes > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > feed at > > > > > > > > dusk." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess, in a big tank, having more than one is OK as they > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > their own territories but they certainly do NOT need to be > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > shoals/schools. > > > > > > > > > They could be territorial against other catfish type fish so > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > of that... but also remember that animals do not always read > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > stuff that we do so it could end up shoaling with your corys. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > watch out for your smaller fish as they could become catfish > > > > poop. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder NHSNOLA@ > > > > > > > > > Cell-504-621-1870 Fax-413-318-0742 > > > > > > > > > http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>> > > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com> > > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com > > > > <http://www.NeighborhoodHomeServices.com>>> > > > > > > > > > P.O.Box 74031, Metairie, LA 70033-4031 Handyman Services, Lawn > > > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Garden Care, Residential Contractor, General Cleaning & Trash > > > > > > Hauling, > > > > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] striped raphael catfish (talking > > > > > > > > > catfish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the striped raphael catfish need to be kept with some of > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > kind or are they a catfish that prefers to be the only catfish > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > tank? The LFS had these in with the monster catfish and I got > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > them as well as the monster catfish, I'm returning the red > > > > > > > > > tail > > > > > > > > > catfish > > > > > > > > > (monster) later this week, and if the raphael catfish should > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > partner or more I can pick a couple more up too. I have plenty > > > > > > > > > of hiding places for it, and in fact I haven't seen it since I > > > > > > > > > put it into the 125 gallon tank ;) I also know it's nocturnal > > > > > > > > > too, so I probably won't see much of it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39189	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

Number 3 gravel is about 3/32" to nearly 1/8" diameter. Number 2 gravel is 2/3 that size, or closer to, but a bit larger than 1/16" diameter as best I can recall. I'll check around here to see if I still have both sizes. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "red-eye " <red-eye@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > Would you know the diameter of the size of gravel for # 2 or # 3. > > Thanks for your wealth of info. > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE > > > > > > > > > Yes, as the hobbyist usually buys an algae eater to take care of just that > problem which these fish are best known to address, WITHOUT harassing their > other fish when it gets bigger (as the CAE will), the hobbyist should look > for an SAE (Siamese Algae Eater) -- which will continue to graze on algae as > it grows -- instead of changing their diet to the fish slime of their tank > mates. > > While Pea Gravel may be found at a much more reasonable price at Home Depot, > Lowes or a local hardware store, you should be aware they since its not sold > with the aquarium hobby in mind, it may contain limestone in some cases -- > depending on the brand and where it was quarried from. This can both harden > your water and increase its alkalinity. As the name implies, it's about the > size of green peas, possibly a bit smaller, but not nearly as small as > you've indicated using. If you're considering growing live plants though, > you should get a substrate with allows for less compacting. Sand it also > more difficult to vacuum as it's relatively light weight of the smaller > granuals will promote its being drawn off with your Python or whatever you > might use for this chore if getting too close. A better size would be either > #2 or #3 commercial gravel which most LFS's carry. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@> wrote: > > > > What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was considering sand for the 10 > gallon. > > > > And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, they can get pea > > gravel that's normally used for driveway's and landscaping. You'll have > > to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I got a 50 lb bag for > > under 7 dollars at my local store. > > > > Amber > > > > Dave H. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > > > Ray - > > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm (sp?). I am way > > > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy one every time i need > > > to fill a void. > > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not the case in my tank. > > > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they are too absorbed in > > > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And I already hate my CAE > > > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that much. > > > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in the 55 gallon. I will > > > most likely leave the big fish in there and the school of Tiger Barbs. > > > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I have a 5 gallon, a 10 > > > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more gravel. > > > > > > thanks > > > gail > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > > > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > > > replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39190	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is

Fish.... let me get that out the way early on! LOL I think your reference to "Paris" probably has to do with Parish. In Louisiana, we use the term, Parish, instead of County, as is used in the other 49 States. I think it has to do with it being the same term used to separate Catholic Church districts. Wikipedia seems to somewhat agree with me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish. It seems other Churches also use the term, Parish, but since I was born and raised Catholic, I was not aware/familiar with that fact. They could have been talking about Paradis, LA, but that little city is more inland. Paradis is just south of the New Orleans metro area but it is situated in close proximity to a very large bayou, Bayou Des Allemands and Lac des Allemands (the BIG lake at the north end of the bayou) which then has easy access to some of the large Bays and other salt/brackish water fish... but I still think they were referring to Parish, not "Paris". The City of Des Allemands and it's accompanying fishing villages and marinas would have been more noted for that GREAT fishing spot, instead of Paradis. There is Plaquemines Parish, which contains a big part (probably all of it) of the Mississippi River Delta (where the River and its tributaries dump into the Gulf Of Mexico and adjoining marshes) so there is LOTS of good fishing available from all of the small towns that line both sides of the Mississippi River and other more remote areas of Plaquemines Parish. My own Parish, Jefferson Parish, which is mostly an urban sprawl now, does also go all the way down to the Gulf Of Mexico and includes the famous fishing town/island known as Grand Isle http://www.grand-isle.com/ where they also have the annual Grand Isle Tarpon Rodeo and many other tournaments throughout the year. Then there is St. Bernard Parish http://stbernardparish.net/ (one of the hardest hit areas of Katrina, although Plaquemines Parish, St. Tammany Parish and of course, Orleans Parish, was also hard hit)... but St. Bernard Parish is actually where the Battle Of New Orleans http://stbernardparish.net/history.htm was really fought... not actually in the City Of New Orleans. They also have famous fishing villages/marinas such as Ycloskey, Delacroix Island, Gulf Outlet Marina, etc. http://www.rodnreel.com/campos/ http://www.visitstbernard.com/outdoors/ http://stbernardparish.net/profile.htm During my Google search for the above links, I also came across a page titled, "Dispatches From Tanganyika" which I found unusual (what do the cichlids of Lake Tanganyika have to do with around here???), but here it is... about St. Bernard Parish, LA. LOL http://docbrite.livejournal.com/tag/st.+bernard+parish I had to look around to find out how Tanganyika had anything to do with St. Bernard Parish and southern Louisiana and here is where this writer came up with the title to his website/blog. http://docbrite.livejournal.com/profile - In the BIO section.... "Dispatches from Tanganyika" is a reference to one of the incomprehensible editorial letters John Kennedy Toole received when he was trying to sell A Confederacy of Dunces (my favorite book of all time). "[W]hen someone like yourself is living off from the center of cultural-business activities, with only a thin lifeline to that center, through vague and solitary contacts, everything gets disproportionate, difficult to analyze, to give the proper weight to. It is like those odd people who turn up in New Zealand or Tanganyika or Finland, writing or painting masterpieces -- they have their own power, but they read or look as if the artist has had to discover the form for himself. They don't have the assurance of worldliness and mutual interest and energy with others." I'm not sure the editor realized New Orleans was, in fact, part of the United States. (I'm not sure New Orleans is, in fact, part of the United States.) Ever since I read this, the word "Tanganyika" has been linked in my mind with the attempt to write fiction about the New Orleans that really exists, rather than perpetuating the fantasy." All of the other southern Parishes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parishes_in_Louisiana that include land masses all the way down through the swamps into the Gulf Of Mexico also have fishing villages and marinas that speckle the coast line. Then there is Avery Island, home of the red peppers used to make the world famous Tabasco Sauce http://tabasco.com/tabasco_history/avery_island.cfm. Yes, New Orleans Jazz Music (kind of a mix of Jazz, Blues and other styles), from the likes of Louis Armstrong, Fats Domino and countless others originated from some of the French Quarter Jazz clubs, many that still operate today in the French Quarter. Cajun music, which comes from outside of the New Orleans area heading all the way west through southern Louisiana in what is known as "Cajun Country" or the real term, Acadiana http://www.gumbopages.com/acadiana/ (which includes this definition of Cajun - [CAJUN ('ka:-j@n), n. A person born or living along the bayous, marshes and prairies of south Louisiana; devoted to gumbo, boudin, sauce piquante, crawfish and jambalaya; dedicated to the fais-do-do, French music, hard work and letting the good times roll. (Inscription from a gift given to me by my aunt and uncle Faye and Herman Gesser of New Iberia, Louisiana)] which mentions many other things that are so GREAT about this area of the country that I haven't even touched on yet. LOL Mentioning anything to do with Louisiana automatically connotes fish as we are officially known as "The Bayou State" and there is good fishing moments away from anywhere you may be in Louisiana. Quite often, as you travel the highways and byways of Louisiana, you'll see folks pulled over on the side of the road and fishing in one of the many bayous, rivers, lakes, swamps, bogs, ditches or any other water source that our roads wind through, around or over. Many of our GREAT fishing piers are actually bridges that have since been replaced by larger more modern bridges. Instead of tearing down the old bridge, they would simply tear down the middle of the bridge, usually where there was the draw bridge section but leave the two spans from each side of the water way. These two spans then become GREAT fishing piers. This page http://www.lafishmag.com/FishingPier.html shows good pictures of the new bridge to Grand Isle with the old wooden bridge next to it and how it is now a free fishing pier. On the other side of Caminada Pass (the waterway that connects Caminada Bay to the Gulf Of Mexico), the other half of the bridge span is also used as a fishing pier. Dang... I think I've earned my Tourism and Travel Writer points for the year... so now all y'all come on down and laissez les bon temps rouler (let the good times roll!). BTW, speaking of good times... the French Quarter Fest, one of our many music/food/entertainment festivals is coming up on April 17 - 19, 2009 http://www.fqfi.org/frenchquarterfest/ so make your reservations soon. Not long after the French Quarter Fest is our WORLD FAMOUS Jazz Fest, officially known as the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival - http://www.nojazzfest.com/ - which runs from April 24 thru May 3, 2009 with the majority of the entertainment taking place on Thursday thru Sunday but there are also concerts/events almost every night of the week as well. We don't do one day festivals down here! First come, first served as far as my couch goes! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is that??? Lenny, Speaking of N'awlins and surroundings, I meant to ask you -- is there a town or area down more towards the delta by the name of "Paris?" I seem to remember a while back on a sports channel (TV) hearing of some good salt water sports fishing at that location in Louisiana off the coast; did I remember right? And, still speaking about N'awlins, although not on the subject of food -- just wanted to mention some of my favorite music originates from there. I believe the French Quarter is known for jazz music, unless I'm mistaken again, which I can enjoy but as another type of music I can also enjoy, Doug Kershaw ("The Ragin' Cajun/The King of the Fiddle") and his Cajun music was one of my favorites. I don't hear much of him anymore, but I note his son Sammy Kershaw has followed in his father's footsteps. Then, there was Fats Domino ("The Fat Man from New Orleans") with his own style of Rock 'N Roll which I used to enjoy in my teens. Any of this take you back? Oh, I don't know if any of Doug Kershaw's music had anything to do with "fish" (there, I stayed on topic - LOL). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Oh.. that's easy. > > Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's > some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm > > MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down > here in N'Awlins! ;-) > > Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp > from Pascal's Manale Restaurant > http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still > dripping in hot & spicy flavors) > > The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Deenerz@... > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater > Shrimp is that??? > > > And perhaps some recipes for it ;) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp > is that??? > > > One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a > nice > > looking shrimp. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ > > Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39191	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel & CAE

Once again, I have to go with God's way over man's way. Pea gravel is a perfectly good and natural gravel to use. Yes, there are many sizes and that should be considered. For smaller fish that like to forage, using a pea gravel that is around the size of a pea (1/4" or so) would probably be best but for bigger fish like Goldfish, etc., using that size or larger is also OK. Just try to avoid pea gravel that is around the exact same size as your goldfishes mouth (either go smaller or bigger) so they do not inadvertently suck up a piece of gravel and then it gets lodged in their mouth. I lost one of mine to this a couple of years ago and have come close to doing the Heimlich maneuver a couple of other times over the years. Usually when the affected goldfish sees me getting the net out, they figure out a way to spit out that dang piece of gravel. Smaller gravel is actually more likely to trap detritus where bigger gravel has bigger gaps between the pieces so vacuuming it is actually easier. Of course, I use a Python Gravel Vacuum and Siphon system so I get a LOT more suction than that from a small manual gravel siphon. I also think pea gravel just looks so much more natural compared to the various colored man-made gravels. I've done the blue, green, day-glo colored, etc., gravels over the years but to me, pea gravel is the way to go for long term. The other colors start to look too fake (since they are). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE One other point to be considered here is the exact size of the gravel itself. I found some very nice material of tumbled natural creek pebbles that I thought were great for my aquarium. It was not! My tank went bad from uneaten food that became lodged in the pebbles even though I have a small army of Cory’s in the tank. Looking at the Cory’s and looking at the pebbles I realized that the Cory’s could not get at the food as it became lodged in the gravel because they could not move it to forge, it was too big. Yes I did vacuum the gravel, and at regular intervals, but this did not help. In fact, I think it made it worse because the food became more in trapped the further I tried to vacuum down to the bottom. Bargain gravel? Sometimes the bargain is there but the work to maintain water clarity and pureness is not. Stay with approved aquarium type products and you will be way ahead. Certainly your fish will! IMHO, Bill --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Pea Gravel & CAE > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 8:16 AM > Yes, as the hobbyist usually buys an > algae eater to take care of just that problem which these fish are > best known to address, WITHOUT harassing their other fish when it gets > bigger (as the CAE will), the hobbyist should look for an SAE (Siamese > Algae Eater) -- which will continue to graze on algae as it grows -- > instead of changing their diet to the fish slime of their tank mates. > > While Pea Gravel may be found at a much more reasonable price at Home > Depot, Lowes or a local hardware store, you should be aware they since > its not sold with the aquarium hobby in mind, it may contain limestone > in some cases -- depending on the brand and where it was quarried > from. > This can both harden your water and increase its alkalinity.  As the > name implies, it's about the size of green peas, possibly a bit > smaller, but not nearly as small as you've indicated using.  If you're > considering growing live plants though, you should get a substrate > with allows for less compacting.  Sand it also more difficult to > vacuum as it's relatively light weight of the smaller granuals will > promote its being drawn off with your Python or whatever you might use > for this chore if getting too close.  A better size would be either #2 > or #3 commercial gravel which most LFS's carry.  Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > > > What size is Pea Gravel, is it small? I was > considering sand for the 10 gallon. > >   > > And Amber was right CAE = Chinese Algae Eater > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my > Gouramis are getting sick? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and Gail, try your local hardware or feed store, > they can get pea > > gravel that's normally used for driveway's and > landscaping. You'll have > > to rinse it really well, but it's nice and cheap. I > got a 50 lb bag for > > under 7 dollars at my local store. > > > > Amber > > > > Dave H. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gail, I'm curious.. What is CAE? Dave > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Gail <clandestine662002@ > yahoo.com > > > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. > com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com <mailto:clandestine > > > 662002%40yahoo. > com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Strange, Only my > Gouramis are getting sick? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > > > > Ray - > > > thanks so much for your constructive critisizm > (sp?). I am way > > > impulsive when it comes to fish. Perhaps I buy > one every time i need > > > to fill a void. > > > In regards to aggressive Gouramis - this is not > the case in my tank. > > > Also my school of Tiger barbs, don't nip; they > are too absorbed in > > > eachother. My Rosy barbs are the crazy ones. And > I already hate my CAE > > > - I call him the F-word. I dislike him that > much. > > > > > > It looks like I will be breaking up the crowd in > the 55 gallon. I will > > > most likely leave the big fish in there and the > school of Tiger Barbs. > > > And dispurse the rest amongst my other tanks. I > have a 5 gallon, a 10 > > > gallon, and a 20 gallon. I just need to buy more > gravel. > > > > > > thanks > > > gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39192	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish)

Yep! If you don't feed them enough, they will actually plan a commando type assault (grappling hooks, rope ladders, helicopters, ninja outfits, etc.) on you while you are sleeping... so make sure they get enough! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) My goldfish seem to talk - they come up to the glass and look quite aggressive - they're most likely asking, or demanding food Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: 10 April 2009 13:27 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) Yes, you can train these fish to talk, like you can a parrot. Mine say Good Morning to me when I turn on their lights, and Fishie Want A Pellet when they're hungry ! Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Talking catfish? > > LOLOLOLOLOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: striped raphael catfish (talking catfish) > > > Amber, With exception of a few posts such as Lenny's, I haven't seen > very much discussion on this fish since your posting of their photos. > After viewing your photos, I can say that in accordance with your > hopes, you have > not purchased a "Talking Catfish." As a "Talking Catfish" IS a Raphael > Catfish (of any Platydoras catfish species, spotted or striped), I can also > say with absolution that you definitely did not buy a Striped Raphael > Catfish (nor a spotted one). Looks like Lenny was on the money when he > stated it looking like a Red-tailed Catfish. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39193	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: For red-eye on gravel

Hi Red-Eye, A point I'd like to make here is the size is the size! Ray is giving you very exact and correct information BUT in his neck-of-the-woods. I have also found, from my other post this morning, depending on where you live, these sizes may vary from one locale to another. Descrition is useless less you actually see or have samples of the material you want. Much of the gravel comes from the Estes Company in NC. Here is the site: http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf This file contains just about every type gravel you could want. Many Lowes & Home Depot stock directly from them and their name is one the bags. These bags have some clean spots around them and you can get a good idea of what your going to be working with. hope I have helped some, Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and software). ;-) Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the irresponsible people. Same with computers! In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_than_ mac_os.html http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version of Vista. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to XP Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being upgraded for Vista. It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install IE or to remove it completely. Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a Vista base since I have not done much work with it. The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only my > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it to > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using the > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't done much > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security software > and firewall. > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major new > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs to > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. then > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY major > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously is my > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if there > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old saying... "If > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't seen > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a new > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a virtual > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right away. > ;-) LOL > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > comment further. > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that fast. > ;-) > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features box. > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the competition > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe not. > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," but I > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm done > with my usual daily stuff. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check mark in > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is your > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it Add/Remove > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section that > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if you > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, you > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked IE6 (as > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > browsers at present. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so I'm > pulling it up again. > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder in > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just found > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of Add/Remove > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it will > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you at > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// can > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of add/remove > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until I've > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security risk. > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... same with > Windows 7. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Steve, > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or 8 are > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe file in > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten the > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I had gone > to a fake website. > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer service, > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > Deb, > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to Add/Remove > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, if > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just downloaded > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a number > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good backup of > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need to have > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the problems > occurring. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > fact > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work and > won't > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > my > > room! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to take > a > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my computer, > using > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > page of > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual Tour > page > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder if > it > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > add on > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up on > the > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave that > to > > the web page designers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39195	From: skwirrley2	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling off of and I want to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the top rim is also comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions what I can use to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up considering the moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back on with silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you! Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39196	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel

Also keep in mind that the whole bag of gravel isn't going to be one size, some pieces are smaller, some are larger. Mine has some that are pea sized and others that are double or even triple the size of a pea, it seems to be a mixed size, but it may depend on the brand and where you buy it. I got mine from a local mom and pop's store not a lowe's or something. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Red-Eye, > > A point I'd like to make here is the size is the size! > > Ray is giving you very exact and correct information BUT > in his neck-of-the-woods. > > I have also found, from my other post this morning, depending on where > you live, these sizes may vary from one locale to another. Descrition is > useless less you actually see or have samples of the material you want. > > Much of the gravel comes from the Estes Company in NC. > Here is the site: http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf > <http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf> > > This file contains just about every type gravel you could want. Many > Lowes & Home Depot stock directly from them and their name is one the > bags. > These bags have some clean spots around them and you can get a good > idea of what your going to be working with. > > hope I have helped some, > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39197	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

If the old one is plastic and not broken why not use silicone and stick it back on? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: skwirrley2 <skwirrley2@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32 am Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling off of and I want to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the top rim is also comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions what I can use to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up considering the moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back on with silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you! Sandi ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in20this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39198	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel

For Estes I can can you most is the same size. I wash and screen everything by hand so I know this but if you look close at the pdf file from them, you should get very close to what you want. Now I cannot speak for other companys that may have different sizes wiwthin a bag but those are mostly sold at regular land scape shoops. Bill --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] For red-eye on gravel > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:14 PM > Also keep in mind that the whole bag > of gravel isn't going to be one > size, some pieces are smaller, some are larger. Mine has > some that are > pea sized and others that are double or even triple the > size of a pea, > it seems to be a mixed size, but it may depend on the brand > and where > you buy it. I got mine from a local mom and pop's store not > a lowe's or > something. > > Amber > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Red-Eye, > > > > A point I'd like to make here is the size is the > size! > > > > Ray is giving you very exact and correct information > BUT > > in his neck-of-the-woods. > > > > I have also found, from my other post this morning, > depending on where > > you live, these sizes may vary from one locale to > another. Descrition is > > useless less you actually see or have samples of the > material you want. > > > > Much of the gravel comes from the Estes Company in > NC. > > Here is the site: http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf > > <http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf> > > > > This file contains just about every type gravel you > could want. Many > > Lowes & Home Depot stock directly from them and > their name is one the > > bags. > > These bags have some clean spots around them and you > can get a good > > idea of what your going to be working with. > > > > hope I have helped some, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39199	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

This is just anecdotal, but my daughter and time-share daughter both have the Firefox browser, Thunderbird mail program, and Trend Micro internet security. These seem to be what everyone thinks are the most secure, efficient programs to have. A couple of weeks ago, t-s daughter's computer crashed and they found 7 (seven!) nasty viruses on it. She almost lost everything on her computer. I, on the other hand, was doing just fine with IE7, Windows Mail, and Norton360, and our computers are linked through a network. If I hadn't updated to IE8, I'd have no complaints at all. We all have Vista. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and software). ;-) Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the irresponsible people. Same with computers! In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_than_ mac_os.html http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39200	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

The old one is plastic and does have a crack at one of the corners. It is also really faded looking. Of course if I replace the top will it make the bottom look off? It is faded too. Maybe I should just turn it into a terrarium and just look for another one? I just bought one ( 20h)  for $10 and thats not bad.   Thanks, Sandi --- On Fri, 4/10/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:14 PM If the old one is plastic and not broken why not use silicone and stick it back on? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: skwirrley2 <skwirrley2@yahoo. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32 am Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling off of and I want to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the top rim is also comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions what I can use to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up considering the moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back on with silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated! !! Thank you! Sandi ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in20this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39201	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Trend has a lot of bugs in it Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT This is just anecdotal, but my daughter and time-share daughter both have the Firefox browser, Thunderbird mail program, and Trend Micro internet security. These seem to be what everyone thinks are the most secure, efficient programs to have. A couple of weeks ago, t-s daughter's computer crashed and they found 7 (seven!) nasty viruses on it. She almost lost everything on her computer. I, on the other hand, was doing just fine with IE7, Windows Mail, and Norton360, and our computers are linked through a network. If I hadn't updated to IE8, I'd have no complaints at all. We all have Vista. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and software). ;-) Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has to deal with , whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the irresponsible people. Same with computers! In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. http://www.pcwor ld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_than_ mac_os.html http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you d o not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39202	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

maybe fix it and keep the part with the crack in the back? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: sandi turner <skwirrley2@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? The old one is plastic and does have a crack at one of the corners. It is also really faded looking. Of course if I replace the top will it make the bottom look off? It is faded too. Maybe I should just turn it into a terrarium and just look for another one? I just bought one ( 20h)  for $10 and thats not bad.   Thanks, Sandi --- On Fri, 4/10/09, toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> wrote: From: toddswoman496861@... <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:14 PM If the old one is plastic and not broken why not use silicone and stick it back on? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: skwirrley2 <skwirrley2@yahoo. com> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32 am Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling off of and I want to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the top rim is also comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions what I can use to replace it with. I don't know how we ll wood will hold up considering the moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back on with silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated! !! Thank you! Sandi ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in20this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlif e- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read20messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39203	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these?

I just saw the part that said aquariums. Biodiesel. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these? If you read down in the description, they're not designed for aquariums but rather for home brewers of bio-diesel. Down near the bottom of the page, they also are selling a 10pk that has 1, 5 and 10 micron filter bags. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Anyone heard of aquarium filters like these? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260388619437&ru=http%3A%2 F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp390 7.m37.l1313%26satitle%3D260388619437%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1 They're apparently bags designed for aquarium filtration, but with particular mesh sizes in microns. I can use something like this for separating diatoms from dirt for microscopy. Anyone know of filtering media like this or how I'd find it? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39204	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

Here's a couple of sites (that I have in my favorites folder) that go through how to re-silicone a tank. I would keep the top frame like others have said and just put the cracked part where it's least noticeable. http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107 http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/ht/htrepairsmleaks.htm http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skwirrley2 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling off of and I want to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the top rim is also comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions what I can use to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up considering the moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back on with silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you! Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39205	From: darlene	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009

Darlene From: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com [mailto:moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of y_groups_team Sent: 10 avril 2009 16:08 To: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com Subject: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 On Monday, April 13th, 2009 Yahoo! Groups will undergo scheduled maintenance. During this time your group will be unavailable for 30-60 minutes. The outage is currently scheduled to begin at 1 pm PT, 8 pm GMT. At this time, 1/4 of all Yahoo! Groups will become unavailable while the team services these groups. Once maintenance is complete on that 1/4 of Groups, they will be made available again, and the next 1/4 will become unavailable until all of the groups have been serviced. In total the maintenance period should last around 5 hours, with the maintenance concluding around 6 pm PT, midnight GMT. While your group is being serviced, all features of your group, including messages, photos, attachments, etc. will be completely unavailable. However, once your outage time concludes, your group and all of its features should return and any messages that were posted to the group via email during this downtime will be sent out. Please note that your group's outage should only last around an hour. In an effort to better communicate to all of you, a blast message will be posted to all groups starting today and continuing on through April 13th, 2009, linking to this message on the blog. This blast message is visible on all groups to all members and moderators. Thank you for your patience-during the outage, the blog (http://www.ygroupsblog.com) will remain up (and comments will remain open) and we will update you all as information becomes available. Melissa Daniels Yahoo! Community Manager [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39206	From: bill1433	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

I would add one just more thing that would have helped me greatly. In todays world at Home Centers and mail order houses you can buy, quite cheaply, a pair of suction cup holders for glass panes. Read carefully as they do come in sizes to suit different jobs. If your working with any size tank but especially the big ones, these can not only provide a large measure of safety but insure a very easy installation of new panes or removal of the old ones. Bill --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:33 PM > Here's a couple of sites (that I have > in my favorites folder) that go > through how to re-silicone a tank.  I would keep the > top frame like others > have said and just put the cracked part where it's least > noticeable. > > http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107 > > http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/ht/htrepairsmleaks.htm > > http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of skwirrley2 > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? > > I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling > off of and I want > to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the > top rim is also > comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any > suggestions what I can use > to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up > considering the > moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back > on with > silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly > appreciated!!! > > Thank you! > Sandi > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39207	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009

YEEEE HAWWWWWW.. a moment of rest. ;-) I'll meet everyone at the corner bar. First round is on me! I'm just not telling y'all what corner. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:42 PM To: darlene Subject: [AquaticLife] FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 Darlene From: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com [mailto:moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of y_groups_team Sent: 10 avril 2009 16:08 To: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com Subject: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 On Monday, April 13th, 2009 Yahoo! Groups will undergo scheduled maintenance. During this time your group will be unavailable for 30-60 minutes. The outage is currently scheduled to begin at 1 pm PT, 8 pm GMT. At this time, 1/4 of all Yahoo! Groups will become unavailable while the team services these groups. Once maintenance is complete on that 1/4 of Groups, they will be made available again, and the next 1/4 will become unavailable until all of the groups have been serviced. In total the maintenance period should last around 5 hours, with the maintenance concluding around 6 pm PT, midnight GMT. While your group is being serviced, all features of your group, including messages, photos, attachments, etc. will be completely unavailable. However, once your outage time concludes, your group and all of its features should return and any messages that were posted to the group via email during this downtime will be sent out. Please note that your group's outage should only last around an hour. In an effort to better communicate to all of you, a blast message will be posted to all groups starting today and continuing on through April 13th, 2009, linking to this message on the blog. This blast message is visible on all groups to all members and moderators. Thank you for your patience-during the outage, the blog (http://www.ygroupsblog.com) will remain up (and comments will remain open) and we will update you all as information becomes available. Melissa Daniels Yahoo! Community Manager

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39208	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: How to refurbish an older aquarium?

Thank you all for the great advise!!! I really appreciate it!   Sandi --- On Fri, 4/10/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:48 PM I would add one just more thing that would have helped me greatly. In todays world at Home Centers and mail order houses you can buy, quite cheaply, a pair of suction cup holders for glass panes. Read carefully as they do come in sizes to suit different jobs. If your working with any size tank but especially the big ones, these can not only provide a large measure of safety but insure a very easy installation of new panes or removal of the old ones. Bill --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:33 PM > Here's a couple of sites (that I have > in my favorites folder) that go > through how to re-silicone a tank.  I would keep the > top frame like others > have said and just put the cracked part where it's least > noticeable. > > http://www.aquamani acs.net/forum/ cms_view_ article.php? aid=107 > > http://saltaquarium .about.com/ cs/aquariumdiy/ ht/htrepairsmlea ks.htm > > http://saltaquarium .about.com/ cs/aquariumdiy/ a/aa031302. htm > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of skwirrley2 > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] How to refurbish an older aquarium? > > I have an older 20h aquarium that the silicone is peeling > off of and I want > to refurbish it. I can get the silicone all right but the > top rim is also > comming off and I was wondering if anyone has any > suggestions what I can use > to replace it with. I don't know how well wood will hold up > considering the > moisture. Would it be better just to stick the old one back > on with > silicone? Any and all suggestions will be greatly > appreciated! !! > > Thank you! > Sandi > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39209	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

That is correct. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Wendie > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:01 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version of Vista. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to XP > > Kelly > xxxxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > upgraded for Vista. > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install > IE or to remove it completely. > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > my > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it > to > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using > the > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > done much > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > software > > and firewall. > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major > new > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs > to > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. > then > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > major > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously > is my > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if > there > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > saying... "If > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't > seen > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a > new > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > virtual > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right > away. > > ;-) LOL > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > > comment further. > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that > fast. > > ;-) > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features > box. > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > competition > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe > not. > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > but I > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > done > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check > mark in > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is > your > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > Add/Remove > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section > that > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if > you > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, > you > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked > IE6 (as > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > > browsers at present. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > I'm > > pulling it up again. > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > in > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just > found > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > Add/Remove > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it > will > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you > at > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// > can > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > add/remove > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until > I've > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security > risk. > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > same with > > Windows 7. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Steve, > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > 8 are > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > file in > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten > the > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I > had gone > > to a fake website. > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > service, > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > Deb, > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > Add/Remove > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, > if > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > downloaded > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a > number > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > backup of > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need > to have > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > problems > > occurring. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > fact > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work > and > > won't > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > my > > > room! > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > take > > a > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > computer, > > using > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > > page of > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > Tour > > page > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder > if > > it > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > > add on > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up > on > > the > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > that > > to > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39210	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security by obscurity, which is never a good practice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > software). ;-) > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t han_ > mac_os.html > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Wendie > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version of > Vista. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to > XP > > Kelly > xxxxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > upgraded for Vista. > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install > IE or to remove it completely. > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > my > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it > to > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using > the > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > done much > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > software > > and firewall. > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major > new > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs > to > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. > then > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > major > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously > is my > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if > there > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > saying... "If > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't > seen > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a > new > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > virtual > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right > away. > > ;-) LOL > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > > comment further. > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that > fast. > > ;-) > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features > box. > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > competition > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe > not. > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > but I > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > done > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check > mark in > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is > your > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > Add/Remove > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section > that > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if > you > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, > you > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked > IE6 (as > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > > browsers at present. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > I'm > > pulling it up again. > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > in > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just > found > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > Add/Remove > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it > will > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you > at > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// > can > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > add/remove > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until > I've > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security > risk. > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > same with > > Windows 7. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Steve, > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > 8 are > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > file in > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten > the > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I > had gone > > to a fake website. > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > service, > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > Deb, > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > Add/Remove > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, > if > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > downloaded > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a > number > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > backup of > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need > to have > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > problems > > occurring. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > fact > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work > and > > won't > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > my > > > room! > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > take > > a > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > computer, > > using > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > > page of > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > Tour > > page > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder > if > > it > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > > add on > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up > on > > the > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > that > > to > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39211	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

I would bet that most of those nasties were from drive-bys that were picked up at one site or another, most likely from the Flash ads. I hope you are knocking on wood (t-s daughter's head?) when you say you are doing just fine. It may just be a matter of time before you get conked also. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > This is just anecdotal, but my daughter and time-share daughter both > have the Firefox browser, Thunderbird mail program, and Trend Micro internet > security. These seem to be what everyone thinks are the most secure, > efficient programs to have. A couple of weeks ago, t-s daughter's computer > crashed and they found 7 (seven!) nasty viruses on it. She almost lost > everything on her computer. I, on the other hand, was doing just fine with > IE7, Windows Mail, and Norton360, and our computers are linked through a > network. If I hadn't updated to IE8, I'd have no complaints at all. We all > have Vista. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > software). ;-) > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t han_ > mac_os.html > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39212	From: Kelly	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop

Have any of you guys seen this?!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2048 Kelly xxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39213	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security by obscurity, which is never a good practice. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > software). ;-) > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t han_ > mac_os.html > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Wendie > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version of > Vista. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going back to > XP > > Kelly > xxxxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > upgraded for Vista. > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not install > IE or to remove it completely. > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on XP, > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with it. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > my > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just use it > to > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, using > the > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > done much > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > software > > and firewall. > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to major > new > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea pigs > to > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the bugs.. > then > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > major > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update religiously > is my > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or if > there > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > saying... "If > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I haven't > seen > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When a > new > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > virtual > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade right > away. > > ;-) LOL > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB to > > comment further. > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up that > fast. > > ;-) > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of Internet > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows Features > box. > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > competition > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't be > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but maybe > not. > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to my > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > but I > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > done > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a check > mark in > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What is > your > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > Add/Remove > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components section > that > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that if > you > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you through > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I know, > you > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I liked > IE6 (as > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use other > > browsers at present. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > I'm > > pulling it up again. > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > in > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I just > found > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in the > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > Add/Remove > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe it > will > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully you > at > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe \\Steve// > can > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > add/remove > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs until > I've > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my current > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a security > risk. > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > same with > > Windows 7. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Steve, > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > 8 are > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > file in > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't gotten > the > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if I > had gone > > to a fake website. > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > service, > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy of > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, since. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > Deb, > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the install > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > Add/Remove > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will work, > if > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > downloaded > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have been a > number > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > backup of > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely need > to have > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > problems > > occurring. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > fact > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't work > and > > won't > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > my > > > room! > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > take > > a > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > computer, > > using > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the home > > page of > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > Tour > > page > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I wonder > if > > it > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is trying to > > add on > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show up > on > > the > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > that > > to > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39214	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop

yea good old labor union boyz..lol --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Kelly <atomicblonde@...> wrote: From: Kelly <atomicblonde@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Article - Dead man sent to fish shop To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 6:19 PM Have any of you guys seen this?!!! http://www.practica lfishkeeping. co.uk/pfk/ pages/item. php?news= 2048 Kelly xxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39215	From: darlene	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009

Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 Now Lenny that's not very gentlemanly of you ..... Inviting us down there and then not saying where to meet up!!! Especially since I live all the way up in the cold frozen north!! LOLOL Darlene YEEEE HAWWWWWW.. a moment of rest. ;-) I'll meet everyone at the corner bar. First round is on me! I'm just not telling y'all what corner. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39216	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

That's why I've been using Toggle Flash on IE7 for the past several months. It allows me to easily turn off Flash when I'm doing my power surfing and the only time I turn it on is if I'm on a site like YouTube or Hulu where I need to activate it. Here's my non-fish blog article about Toggle Flash. It's a nice simple IE add-on that runs a simple command line to turn the actual IE Flash Add-on ON or OFF. Besides stopping IE freeze ups from quirky flash ads, it will also protect you from certain malware that is sometimes imbedded in BAD flash ads on malicious website. http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com/2009/01/toggle-flash-very-good-and-simple -and.html Come to think of it, that could be part of the reason for why I couldn't see that hotel webpage way back at the beginning of this thread. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT I would bet that most of those nasties were from drive-bys that were picked up at one site or another, most likely from the Flash ads. I hope you are knocking on wood (t-s daughter's head?) when you say you are doing just fine. It may just be a matter of time before you get conked also. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > This is just anecdotal, but my daughter and time-share daughter both > have the Firefox browser, Thunderbird mail program, and Trend Micro internet > security. These seem to be what everyone thinks are the most secure, > efficient programs to have. A couple of weeks ago, t-s daughter's computer > crashed and they found 7 (seven!) nasty viruses on it. She almost lost > everything on her computer. I, on the other hand, was doing just fine with > IE7, Windows Mail, and Norton360, and our computers are linked through a > network. If I hadn't updated to IE8, I'd have no complaints at all. We all > have Vista. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > software). ;-) > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's even > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating system has > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's have > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up their > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see similar > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the chair.. > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little about > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to over-protect > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start traveling the > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world without > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any other > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare computers to > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, whose > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? Would > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who left > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would then > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and Pro > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t han_ > mac_os.html > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much larger > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality of > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, etc., > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL see more > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39217	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop

I still haven't gotten Uncle Charlie back. He always said he wanted to fly around the world. He also really wanted to be buried in a 300G aquarium so it may have been fate that landed him at that aquarium store. ;-) Actually, we talked about this article a while back but it's still funny/outrageous. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Article - Dead man sent to fish shop Have any of you guys seen this?!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2048 Kelly xxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39218	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Snails - Grey!!! I want snails!!!

Okay, how many snails can I get from you and how much is shipping to ND?!?!!!?!?! LOL Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > thank you Lenny > > yea there Ramshorn snails and there every were and yes i keep up on my tank maintenance.. sense one of my clown loaches passed away they gotten out of control i used an empty bottle of medication with a piece of algae wafer and it gets full in two days. done for several days and it does not seam to make a dent on there population. > > Im trien to give em away to see if that helps dont like to kill the little guys > > I know some ppl love this snails and keep them as pets in there tanks > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:10 PM > > Grey, > > You can find out for certain by checking out the diagrams and pictures here... > > http://www.applesna il.net/content/ snails_various. php > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails did you guys say you whanted snails?.. i have tons in my tank free for the taking if eny one is interested dont know if there mystery snails or commond aquatic snails some of them are red thats all i know

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39219	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Article - Dead man sent to fish shop

LOL... You better watch out. Lots of ghosts of labor union boyz are running around... of course, many are wearing cement shoes so you should be able to outrun them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Article - Dead man sent to fish shop yea good old labor union boyz..lol --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Kelly <atomicblonde@...> wrote: From: Kelly <atomicblonde@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Article - Dead man sent to fish shop To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 6:19 PM Have any of you guys seen this?!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2048 Kelly xxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39220	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel

I go to a local masonry yard for natural stuff Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] For red-eye on gravel Also keep in mind that the whole bag of gravel isn't going to be one size, some pieces are smaller, some are larger. Mine has some that are pea sized and others that are double or even triple the size of a pea, it seems to be a mixed size, but it may depend on the brand and where you buy it. I got mine from a local mom and pop's store not a lowe's or something. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Red-Eye, > > A point I'd like to make here is the size is the size! > > Ray is giving you very exact and correct information BUT > in his neck-of-the-woods. > > I have also found, from my other post this morning, depending on where > you live, these sizes may vary from one locale to another. Descrition is > useless less you actually see or have samples of the material you want. > > Much of the gravel comes from the Estes Company in NC. > Here is the site: http://www.estesco <http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf> com/pdf/aqua.pdf > <http://www.estesco <http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf> com/pdf/aqua.pdf> > > This file contains just about every type gravel you could want. Many > Lowes & Home Depot stock directly from them and their name is one the > bags. > These bags have some clean spots around them and you can get a good > idea of what your going to be working with. > > hope I have helped some, > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39221	From: red-eye	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: For red-eye on gravel

Thanks for the info Bill - good information Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:40 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] For red-eye on gravel Hi Red-Eye, A point I'd like to make here is the size is the size! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39222	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Pwn = own. Hacker term. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > > software). ;-) > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's > even > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating > system has > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's > have > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up > their > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see > similar > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the > chair.. > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little > about > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > over-protect > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > traveling the > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world > without > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any > other > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > computers to > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, > whose > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? > Would > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who > left > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would > then > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and > Pro > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > han_ > > mac_os.html > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much > larger > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality > of > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > etc., > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL > see more > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version > of > > Vista. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kelly > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going > back to > > XP > > > > Kelly > > xxxxx > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not > install > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > XP, > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with > it. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > ] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > my > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just > use it > > to > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, > using > > the > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > done much > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > > software > > > and firewall. > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > major > > new > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > pigs > > to > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the > bugs.. > > then > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > major > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > religiously > > is my > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or > if > > there > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > saying... "If > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > haven't > > seen > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When > a > > new > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > > virtual > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade > right > > away. > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > to > > > comment further. > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up > that > > fast. > > > ;-) > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > Internet > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > Features > > box. > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > competition > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > be > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but > maybe > > not. > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to > my > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > ] > > On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > but I > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > done > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a > check > > mark in > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What > is > > your > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > Add/Remove > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components > section > > that > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that > if > > you > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > through > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I > know, > > you > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > liked > > IE6 (as > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > other > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > ] > > On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > > I'm > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > > in > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I > just > > found > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in > the > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > > Add/Remove > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > it > > will > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully > you > > at > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > \\Steve// > > can > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > > add/remove > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > until > > I've > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my > current > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > security > > risk. > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > > same with > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > ] > > On > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > 8 are > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > file in > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > gotten > > the > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > I > > had gone > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > service, > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy > of > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > since. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > install > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > > Add/Remove > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > work, > > if > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > downloaded > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have > been a > > number > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > > backup of > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely > need > > to have > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > problems > > > occurring. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > > fact > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > work > > and > > > won't > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > > my > > > > room! > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > > take > > > a > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > > computer, > > > using > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the > home > > > page of > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > > Tour > > > page > > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I > wonder > > if > > > it > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > trying to > > > add on > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show > up > > on > > > the > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > > that > > > to > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39223	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ottos

Not trying to be "smart" about it, but that still does not mean it is not from stress. I bought a small tank for my betta fish. I was doing a 50% water change one week and a 100% water change the next in a cycle when it was in a jar. It worked, but I noticed that he was stressed for a bit after the deed was done for a while. I decided that although not delecate, the stress was not something I wanted to put the fish thru. Your ottos are a much more fragile fish from what I have seen coming thru the posts here. So I am only suggesting that if you actually cleaned less often the stress level on the fish might be less. I may be way off on this, but it is at least worth considering. Giving at least 3 or 4 days between cleanings would give them some time to rest up. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > No. They selectively die on days when I don't clean the tank. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harl Myers" <uneekfish@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:44 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] ottos > > Perhaps they found the extra tank cleanings stressful? > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: >> >> >> It's extremely hard to get otos to live. I think I'd be delighted with a >> stable population of three. I've heard of buying as many as ten in the >> hopes a couple will live. >> >> If you do get them to live for a month, apparently you're off. >> >> Problem is it's apparently hard to breed them in captivity, so they're >> rounded up and sent from South America, and they don't get the best >> handling. And they're sensitive to tank conditions. Last week I lost >> four of them to nto feeling well due to a virus. I only cleaned the tank >> every other day. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <toddswoman496861@...> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:58 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] ottos >> >> right? now I have 2 that are still living in a 10 gallon tank along with 3 >> guppies. and 2 different kinds of ferns. Do I need to add more Otto or are >> the 2 I have living enough? >> >> Kate Dale >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >> >> If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you >> can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the >> home page. >> >> Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which >> includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email >> >> Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where >> you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. >> >> Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual >> e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39224	From: bill1433	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Careful you don't give away any trade secrets! <verrry big grin> Bill --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:13 AM > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years > conference.  I'm presuming > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right?  I'll > have to Google for some > > updated articles.  I've written about this in > computer forums and I know > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also > written about it.  That's > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, > banks, big corporations, > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must > still secure our > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken > over and have them become > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > have even more computing power to do their dirty > deeds. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person > 10 seconds to pwn a > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of > using a MAC. > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical > mass, it is all over for > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work > against a MAC, would need > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC > owners practice security > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating > systems (and software) are > > > updated versions of their previously released > operating systems (and > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on > Windows 7 before it's > > even > > > out.  Will there be problems?  > YES!  That's the problem with Windows > > > compared to Apple.  With PC's, there are > countless numbers of computer > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., > that the operating > > system has > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more > limited configuration of > > > computers and software to deal with.  It's > the trade-off that PC's > > have > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is > starting to open up > > their > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they > do, they'll see > > similar > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar > problems. > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of > computer problems, > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the > BBITC (big butt in the > > chair.. > > > lol), not because of the computer.  If folks > would just learn a little > > about > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us > wouldn't have to > > over-protect > > > ours.  Folks buy a computer and get on the > internet and start > > traveling the > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous > places in the world > > without > > > having a clue about where they are going.  > Would you do that with any > > other > > > part of your life?  Why do it with a > computer?  I often compare > > computers to > > > cars.  If folks were to leave their cars > unlocked and running 24/7, > > whose > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, > wrecked, damaged, etc.? > > Would > > > it be the company that built the car?  > NO!  It would be the person who > > left > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, > etc.  So the rest of us would > > then > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to > protect ourselves from the > > > irresponsible people.  Same with computers! > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, > Windows Vista HP and > > Pro > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX > operating system. > > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > han_ > > > mac_os.html > > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see > themselves become a much > > larger > > > target to hackers and malware.  It's the > Davey vs. Goliath mentality > > of > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH > (there, I kept this on > > > topic! lol).  Right now, the BIG FISH is > Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > > etc., > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain > market share, they WILL > > see more > > > attacks and exploits on their browser.  It's > already happening! > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is > just an updated version > > of > > > Vista. > > > Wendie > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > >   From: Kelly > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 > 7:47 AM > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   My hubby tried Vista and had > loads of problems and ended up going > > back to > > > XP > > > > > >   Kelly > > >   xxxxx > > > > > >   From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > >   Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > >   Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > >   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > >   We still do not recommend Vista > to our clients. Still too many > > >   incompatibilities with older > software--some of which are not being > > >   upgraded for Vista. > > > > > >   It has been rumored that Windows > 7 will allow one to either not > > install > > >   IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > >   Like you, Lenny, I am not > familiar enough to go much further with a > > >   Vista base since I have not done > much work with it. > > > > > >   The only other thing I can > suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > > XP, > > >   but nothing seems to be where it > should be once you are done with > > it. > > > > > >   \\Steve// > > > > > >   > -----Original Message----- > > >   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > >   On Behalf Of > > >   > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > >   > Sent: Thursday, April 09, > 2009 2:42 PM > > >   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > >   > > > >   > OK. Dang... I still > consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > >   my > > >   > Vista Home Premium laptop > for around six months and mainly just > > use it > > >   to > > >   > remotely access my desktop > computer when I'm out in the streets, > > using > > >   the > > >   > free LogMeIn software. > Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > >   done much > > >   > tweaking on it yet other > than installing my own preferred security > > >   software > > >   > and firewall. > > >   > > > >   > Hopefully, you've learned a > valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > > major > > >   new > > >   > software when it first > comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > > pigs > > >   to > > >   > have all the problems and > let the software company fix all the > > bugs.. > > >   then > > >   > upgrade! This is not only > applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > >   major > > >   > software program. About the > only thing I upgrade/update > > religiously > > >   is my > > >   > security software. > Everything else only gets updated as needed or > > if > > >   there > > >   > is a security risk with my > current version. You know the old > > >   saying... "If > > >   > it ain't broke, don't fix > it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > > haven't > > >   seen > > >   > anything in IE8 that would > make me want to change to it yet. When > > a > > >   new > > >   > piece of software comes > with a good looking babe (and not just a > > >   virtual > > >   > one), that might be the > only thing that would make me upgrade > > right > > >   away. > > >   > ;-) LOL > > >   > > > >   > All this talk about Vista > is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > > to > > >   > comment further. > > >   > > > >   > OK.. I'm back. Bet you > didn't know a computer could be booted up > > that > > >   fast. > > >   > ;-) > > >   > > > >   > Hmmmm.. I now see what you > are talking about. No mention of > > Internet > > >   > Explorer in either the > Programs & Features or in the Windows > > Features > > >   box. > > >   > Interesting! I remember > there was a lot of squawking by the > > >   competition > > >   > about Microsoft imbedding > IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > > be > > >   > uninstalled but I thought > the Court's ruled against that.. but > > maybe > > >   not. > > >   > I'm at a standstill of > advice now and would suggest you go back to > > my > > >   > previous post about > contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > >   > > > >   > Lenny Vasbinder > > >   > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >   > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >   right > > >   > side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > >   Month) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > -----Original Message----- > > >   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > >   On > > >   > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > >   > Sent: Thursday, April 09, > 2009 1:06 PM > > >   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > >   > > > >   > I'm using Vista. I was > actually in, "Programs and Features," > > >   but I > > >   > knew what you were > referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > >   done > > >   > with my usual daily stuff. > > >   > > > >   > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > >   > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >   > > > >   > ----- Original Message > ----- > > >   > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > >   <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > There should be a box/line > that says Internet Explorer with a > > check > > >   mark in > > >   > the box (at least that's > how it's looking on my XP computer). What > > is > > >   your > > >   > operating system.. I'm > presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > >   Add/Remove > > >   > Programs any longer and I > never noticed the Windows Components > > section > > >   that > > >   > last time I was in that > part of Vista. > > >   > > > >   > I'm pretty sure, but look > for a web page that gives details, that > > if > > >   you > > >   > uncheck Internet Explorer > and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > > through > > >   > rolling back to your > previously installed version. As far as I > > know, > > >   you > > >   > can not completely > uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > > liked > > >   IE6 (as > > >   > long as it was configured > safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > > other > > >   > browsers at present. > > >   > > > >   > Lenny Vasbinder > > >   > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >   > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >   right > > >   > side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > >   Month) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > -----Original Message----- > > >   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > >   On > > >   > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > >   > Sent: Thursday, April 09, > 2009 12:22 PM > > >   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > >   > > > >   > I looked into the Windows > components before, but wasn't able to > > >   > accomplish anything there. > I can't remember what I did, though, so > > >   I'm > > >   > pulling it up again. > > >   > > > >   > OK, I think I've looked > through every single folder and subfolder > > >   in > > >   > there and no IE7, 8 or > anything. On the bright side, I think I > > just > > >   found > > >   > out we can't send print > jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > >   > > > >   > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > >   > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > ----- Original Message > ----- > > >   > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > >   <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > >   > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > >   > Sent: Thursday, April 09, > 2009 1:05 PM > > >   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > Windows components (of > which IE is still considered) are listed in > > the > > >   > Add/Remove Windows > components section off to the left side of > > >   Add/Remove > > >   > Programs. When there, if > you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > > it > > >   will > > >   > roll you back to your > previously installed IE version... hopefully > > you > > >   at > > >   > least had IE7 (since IE6 is > a security risk)... but maybe > > \\Steve// > > >   can > > >   > confirm this about the roll > back. I haven't used this part of > > >   add/remove > > >   > programs in a LONG time. I > rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > > until > > >   I've > > >   > seen enough other folks > doing it without problems... unless my > > current > > >   > version has been deemed a > security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > security > > >   risk. > > >   > I'll probably wait at least > a year or so before considering IE8... > > >   same with > > >   > Windows 7. > > >   > > > >   > Lenny Vasbinder > > >   > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > >   > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > >   right > > >   > side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > >   Month) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > -----Original Message----- > > >   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > >   On > > >   > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > >   > Sent: Thursday, April 09, > 2009 11:48 AM > > >   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > >   > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > >   > > > >   > Steve, > > >   > > > >   > That's exactly what I did, > a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > >   8 are > > >   > listed in Add/Remove > programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > >   file in > > >   > the IE Windows folder and > nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > gotten > > >   the > > >   > file by following links in > the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > > I > > >   had gone > > >   > to a fake website. > > >   > > > >   > To answer Lenny, no, I > haven't gone through the IE customer > > >   service, > > >   > yet. I needed a browser in > order to reach them and so I got a copy > > of > > >   > Firefox from my daughter, > and I've really never looked back, > > since. > > >   > > > >   > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > >   > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > ----- Original Message > ----- > > >   > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > >   <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > >   > > > >   > Deb, > > >   > > > >   > To fix IE, go to > www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > > install > > >   > package for IE8. Install > it. After it has finished, you can go to > > >   Add/Remove > > >   > Programs in your Control > Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > > work, > > >   if > > >   > you got IE8 from the > Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > >   downloaded > > >   > the program from the same > location I gave you or another location. > > >   > > > >   > To all others, be very > careful when installing IE8, There have > > been a > > >   number > > >   > of problems reported with > the install. Make sure you have a good > > >   backup of > > >   > your machine before trying > to start, if you feel you absolutely > > need > > >   to have > > >   > IE8, or don't bother with > it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > >   problems > > >   > occurring. > > >   > > > >   > \\Steve// > > >   > > > >   > > -----Original > Message----- > > >   > > From: > Menagerie_Manager > > >   > > > > >   > > I saw the black > column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > >   > fact > > >   > > that I tried to update > to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > > work > > >   and > > >   > won't > > >   > > let me remove it or go > back to IE7. > > >   > > > > >   > > If I ever go there, > I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > >   > my > > >   > > room! > > >   > > > > >   > > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > >   > > (CB, Lucille, and > Raven) > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > ----- Original Message > ----- > > >   > > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > >   <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > DebR, > > >   > > > > >   > > Did you see the black > column on the home page too? I'm about to > > >   take > > >   > a > > >   > > screen shot of the > home page with how it's showing up on my > > >   computer, > > >   > using > > >   > > IE7 and the black > column on the left is not showing up on the > > home > > >   > page of > > >   > > the website. It does > show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > > >   Tour > > >   > page > > >   > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I > > wonder > > >   if > > >   > it > > >   > > has something to do > with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > trying to > > >   > add on > > >   > > in my browser, IE7? > But then... why does the black column show > > up > > >   on > > >   > the > > >   > > other page and not on > the home page for me. Oh well.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39225	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: red tailed catfish

Okay last night I pulled all the hollow decorations to see if there was a catfish hiding inside... no such luck I suppose. Didn't find any catfish, so I'm not even sure where my striped raphael talking catfish is hiding either, or if it's jumped ship too. I'm 95% sure that the red tailed catfish jumped out of the tank sometime last week, it was pretty easy to find when it was still in the tank, so now that I've removed all the decorations and looked inside, I'm pretty sure it's no longer hiding in the tank. I guess my cats got a $25 meal ;) LOL. I would have rather of taken it back to the store and traded it in though :( Go figure. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39226	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Snails - Grey!!! I want snails!!!

Sure send me you adress and i will send you some via usps to greychildren@...   --- On Fri, 4/10/09, dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> wrote: From: dbrown1973@... <dbrown1973@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails - Grey!!! I want snails!!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:37 PM Okay, how many snails can I get from you and how much is shipping to ND?!?!!!?!?! LOL Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > thank you Lenny > > yea there Ramshorn snails and there every were and yes i keep up on my tank maintenance. . sense one of my clown loaches passed away they gotten out of control i used an empty bottle of medication with a piece of algae wafer and it gets full in two days. done for several days and it does not seam to make a dent on there population. > > Im trien to give em away to see if that helps dont like to kill the little guys > > I know some ppl love this snails and keep them as pets in there tanks > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@. ..> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:10 PM > > Grey, > > You can find out for certain by checking out the diagrams and pictures here... > > http://www.applesna il.net/content/ snails_various. php > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of greychildren > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Snails did you guys say you whanted snails?.. i have tons in my tank free for the taking if eny one is interested dont know if there mystery snails or commond aquatic snails some of them are red thats all i know [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39227	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: a few things that I am curious about.

I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39228	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009

Well, you know. They've got to do the maintenance in the early evening, after THEIR work day ends! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> To: "darlene" <amazonbirds@...> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] FW: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 Darlene From: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com [mailto:moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of y_groups_team Sent: 10 avril 2009 16:08 To: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com Subject: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: Monday, April 13, 2009 On Monday, April 13th, 2009 Yahoo! Groups will undergo scheduled maintenance. During this time your group will be unavailable for 30-60 minutes. The outage is currently scheduled to begin at 1 pm PT, 8 pm GMT. At this time, 1/4 of all Yahoo! Groups will become unavailable while the team services these groups. Once maintenance is complete on that 1/4 of Groups, they will be made available again, and the next 1/4 will become unavailable until all of the groups have been serviced. In total the maintenance period should last around 5 hours, with the maintenance concluding around 6 pm PT, midnight GMT. While your group is being serviced, all features of your group, including messages, photos, attachments, etc. will be completely unavailable. However, once your outage time concludes, your group and all of its features should return and any messages that were posted to the group via email during this downtime will be sent out. Please note that your group's outage should only last around an hour. In an effort to better communicate to all of you, a blast message will be posted to all groups starting today and continuing on through April 13th, 2009, linking to this message on the blog. This blast message is visible on all groups to all members and moderators. Thank you for your patience-during the outage, the blog (http://www.ygroupsblog.com) will remain up (and comments will remain open) and we will update you all as information becomes available. Melissa Daniels Yahoo! Community Manager [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39229	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

Guppy's are foragers big time... They often try to eat anything in their tank, no matter what it looks like. So a new item placed in the tank (arm, fingers, etc) just looks like it could be edible to them, like everything else... better go taste it, LOL. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The > guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my > arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore > that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. > Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny > at times. > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39230	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39231	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

yep feels like a massage Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. Guppy's are foragers big time... They often try to eat anything in their tank, no matter what it looks like. So a new item placed in the tank (arm, fingers, etc) just looks like it could be edible to them, like everything else... better go taste it, LOL. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The > guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my > arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore > that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. > Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny > at times. > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39232	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Actually that is the beauty of floating plants, they move! Stuck in an odd place? Is it growing there? Then that is where it belongs! At least that is one man's idea... On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float > away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > place ;) LOL > Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water > current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon > is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream > loaches ;) LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39233	From: darlene	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it you could have problems Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you might hurt the fish Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39234	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the windows at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing the happy I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are limited to the species in which they infect... although there are occasional crossover pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not actually get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it you could have problems Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you might hurt the fish Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39235	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

LOL... that's the thing with floating plants.. they float... wherever the water takes them. You can anchor them in some deep enough gravel if you want, or use the lead-like plant weights that come on bundles of anacharis, etc., but they'll grow faster while floating since they will get more light and CO2 from the surface air. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39236	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

all I know is the guppies are healthy and it actually feels good. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the windows at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing the happy I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are limited to the species in which they infect... although there are occasional crossover pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not actually get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am=2 0curious about. Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it you could have problems Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you might hurt the fish Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39237	From: bill1433	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?

Recently a large number of my posts have been made concerning these critters, I would like to know more and I still have a few questions. For instance, is there a math calculation to correctly determine the size of a sponge filter to determine if it will hold enough of these critters for a given tank size? I have a large doughnut shaped one in my 20 long. When purchased in stated that at this size to would provide proper biological filtration for a 50-gallon tank. Measurement of the sponge is 5 inch diameter and about 4 inches thick. The center is removed for both support stand and an air stone. How do they know this is enough filtration and support of a tank? Are they simply applying testing procedures and then recording the results? It occurred to me that one could build his or her own filter, provided they knew how big or how many to make. How do you figure all of this out? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39238	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Purple passion danio's

Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having 5 of them rather than 3. Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39239	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?

It has more to do with bioload than tank size or water volume. The filter media mass and/or surface area is, in most cases, suitable for the tank size(s) listed on the filter. The problem comes with how/when so many fish keepers over stock their tanks. It wouldn't be hard to test though. Since a properly stocked tank should NOT put out more than 5ppm of ammonia each day, they could simply set up the filter system in an empty tank, get it cycling and then add 5ppm of ammonia per day and if the filter continued to cycle the ammonia/nitrite from that artificial laboratory-bioload, then it should be fine for real fish keepers. Now comes the problem. Folks over stock the tank, improperly clean/maintain the tank, filter system, etc., and soon the bioload, not only from the fish on a daily basis but now from all the decaying detritus, etc., is much more than the filter was intended to handle. Even in many of these cases, the filter systems can still keep up with the nitrogen cycled although there will be lots of other nasty stuff happening in the tank such as high levels of DOC's, high nitrates, high hormone levels, etc. An open-cell sponge block, like that used on sponge filters, will contain more than enough surface area to be home to all the nitrifying bacteria that a properly stocked, properly maintained aquarium would ever need. Of course, as the sponge gets clogged up with detritus, those areas of the sponge no longer get oxygenated water flowing through them and the nitrifying bacteria in those areas die off but new N-bacteria grow in other areas of the sponge, that are still getting good water flow, to compensate. Eventually, if the sponge is never cleaned, it will no longer have any good water flow through it and the majority of the N-bacteria inside the sponge will die off but there will still be some living on the very outside parts of the sponge that are in contact with good water. As long as the sponge is regularly squeezed/swooshed, in removed tank water, to keep the detritus from building up inside the sponge, it will work great for biological filtration and also for some level of mechanical filtration. Other media like floss pads would be better at filtering smaller particulates and also provides housing for nitrifying bacteria.. as long as it doesn't get so clogged up with detritus that water no longer flows through it. That's the key to keeping a tank cycling properly... proper and regular filter maintenance to clean the detritus out of the filter media without killing off the good bacteria. Here is an article about a DIY corner filter that folks can make in five minutes if ever needed for a hospital/quarantine tank, fry tank, etc. They used what looks like a common plastic Tetra Fish Flakes food container as the filter housing. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Davies_Sponge_Filter.html The gravel and sponge both work as biological/mechanical filtration but since it has limited water flow going through it, it's mostly for biological filtration since it's not going to pull some fish poop off the bottom of a tank, up the side of the container and into the sponge. It will slowly circulate the water though keeping it oxygenated and cycling (nitrogen cycle) properly. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations? Recently a large number of my posts have been made concerning these critters, I would like to know more and I still have a few questions. For instance, is there a math calculation to correctly determine the size of a sponge filter to determine if it will hold enough of these critters for a given tank size? I have a large doughnut shaped one in my 20 long. When purchased in stated that at this size to would provide proper biological filtration for a 50-gallon tank. Measurement of the sponge is 5 inch diameter and about 4 inches thick. The center is removed for both support stand and an air stone. How do they know this is enough filtration and support of a tank? Are they simply applying testing procedures and then recording the results? It occurred to me that one could build his or her own filter, provided they knew how big or how many to make. How do you figure all of this out? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39240	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations?

Oops.. here's one more simple DIY Sponge Filter article that I had in my favorites folder. This one is done quite a bit differently but still works the same for biological and some mechanical filtration. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_spongefilter.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Nitrifying Bacteria-Calculations? Recently a large number of my posts have been made concerning these critters, I would like to know more and I still have a few questions. For instance, is there a math calculation to correctly determine the size of a sponge filter to determine if it will hold enough of these critters for a given tank size? I have a large doughnut shaped one in my 20 long. When purchased in stated that at this size to would provide proper biological filtration for a 50-gallon tank. Measurement of the sponge is 5 inch diameter and about 4 inches thick. The center is removed for both support stand and an air stone. How do they know this is enough filtration and support of a tank? Are they simply applying testing procedures and then recording the results? It occurred to me that one could build his or her own filter, provided they knew how big or how many to make. How do you figure all of this out? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3022/product.web http://fishbase.org/Country/CountrySpeciesSummary.cfm?c_code=418&id=58017 http://www.danios.info/fish/roseus.aspx I'm sure a Google Image search of "danio roseus" will find a few thousand more pics. ;-) I think the 'roseus' part might be telling though.. it's not 'purpleus'. ;-) They gotcha again!!! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having 5 of them rather than 3. Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL Amber

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39243	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Well either way my glofish are happier and they're pretty to watch school together in the tank. I don't mind if they don't turn purple later ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3022/product.web > <http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3022/product.web> > > http://fishbase.org/Country/CountrySpeciesSummary.cfm?c_code=418&id=58017 > <http://fishbase.org/Country/CountrySpeciesSummary.cfm?c_code=418&id=58017> > > http://www.danios.info/fish/roseus.aspx > <http://www.danios.info/fish/roseus.aspx> > > I'm sure a Google Image search of "danio roseus" will find a few thousand > more pics. ;-) I think the 'roseus' part might be telling though.. > it's not > 'purpleus'. ;-) They gotcha again!!! LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish > happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, > they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got > some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made > me have > to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My danio's are > already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big change in > personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. > I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should be > telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more cory's to > fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having > 5 of them rather than 3. > > Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm curious > just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, > after my > hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39244	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Look up _Danio roseus_, though they do not look very purple in the photos I looked at. Do a Google image search for them using either the common or the scientific name. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish > happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, > they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got > some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me > have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My > danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big > change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. > I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should > be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more > cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having > 5 of them rather than 3. > > Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > curious just how purple they get ;) > I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to > order purple fish, LOL > > Amber > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups > Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39245	From: red-eye	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

What you need is duck weed LOL just kidding but it will completely cover the water & does get quite thick. What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need less light. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) LOL Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39246	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of my tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift wood, I have it tied down with fishing line so far. Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL Amber red-eye wrote: > > > What you need is duck weed…LOL… just kidding but it will completely cover > the water & does get quite thick. > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the current > puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need less > light. > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float > away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > place ;) LOL > Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water > current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon > is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream > loaches ;) LOL > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39247	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Duckweed will die back if there is plenty of surface agitation. It does well when the surface is very calm. Between my goldfish eating it and plenty of circulation, I can't keep duckweed in my 65G tank. I do grow it in my 10G cherry shrimp tank and transfer some over to the goldfish tank on regular basis. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current What you need is duck weed LOL just kidding but it will completely cover the water & does get quite thick. What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need less light. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) LOL Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39248	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

It will NOT do well in your highly filtered tanks.... not unless you put it in your 10G tank.. or does that one have plenty of filtration too? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of my tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift wood, I have it tied down with fishing line so far. Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL Amber red-eye wrote: > > > What you need is duck weed.LOL. just kidding but it will completely > cover the water & does get quite thick. > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the > current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need > less light. > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to > float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's > too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... > The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the > hillstream loaches ;) LOL > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39249	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

I put it in the 55 gallon and the 10 gallon for now, the 55 gallon has the filter turned down as it blows the guppy's away, LOL. Not to mention the cory's, and anything else ;) I need to put the diffuser on the filter instead of the head that's on it, it's just a little too powerful ;) I figured the 125 gallon would have too much water current for it. As soon as it builds up I'm going to throw some of it into my other 10 gallon with my betta and frog. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > It will NOT do well in your highly filtered tanks.... not unless you > put it > in your 10G tank.. or does that one have plenty of filtration too? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of my > tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift wood, I > have it tied down with fishing line so far. > Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL > > Amber > > red-eye wrote: > > > > > > What you need is duck weed.LOL. just kidding but it will completely > > cover the water & does get quite thick. > > > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the > > current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need > > less light. > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to > > float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much > current? > > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > > place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's > > too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... > > The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the > > hillstream loaches ;) LOL > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39250	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Master Test Kits versus Digital Testers

As most know, we talk about how it's a good idea and almost mandatory that fish keepers buy a Master Test Kit on an annual basis. We're talking as low as $15 to $20. U.S. a year, compared to the much higher cost of medicines, etc., if/when the fish get sick. Occasionally, someone will mention digital testers instead of having to use test tubes and reagents. I'm still reading my March edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine and came across a full page ad for PINPOINT Brand testers and monitors. They included their prices in the ad. Nitrate - $259.00 pH - $ 99.00 Hardness - $125.00 Temperature - $ 39.00 (They didn't have ammonia or nitrite testers listed in this ad) And then there was a separate section for Calibration Fluids for pH 4.0, 7.0, 10.0 and for replacement probes which had a price range of $50.00 to $199.00. I don't know how often the probes have to be replaced. Now... maybe PINPOINT is the top of the line, gold standard in digital testers... I don't know... but all this considered, the $15.00 to $20.00 or so that an API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit costs is looking a WHOLE LOT BETTER!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39251	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Happy Easter Everybody!!!... but BEWARE OF IDENTITY THEFT THIS EASTE

I got this in an email yesterday but since the group doesn't allow pics through the group, I Googled and found a website that had the email published. http://starbursidereus.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/beware-of-identity-theft-thi s-easter/ Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Just make sure it doesn't overtake the surface of the Betta tank since they need surface area to breathe. The Betta will like building a bubble nest under the duckweed though! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current I put it in the 55 gallon and the 10 gallon for now, the 55 gallon has the filter turned down as it blows the guppy's away, LOL. Not to mention the cory's, and anything else ;) I need to put the diffuser on the filter instead of the head that's on it, it's just a little too powerful ;) I figured the 125 gallon would have too much water current for it. As soon as it builds up I'm going to throw some of it into my other 10 gallon with my betta and frog. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > It will NOT do well in your highly filtered tanks.... not unless you > put it in your 10G tank.. or does that one have plenty of filtration > too? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of > my tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift > wood, I have it tied down with fishing line so far. > Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL > > Amber > > red-eye wrote: > > > > > > What you need is duck weed.LOL. just kidding but it will completely > > cover the water & does get quite thick. > > > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the > > current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that > > need less light. > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to > > float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too > > much > current? > > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > > place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's > > too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... > > The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for > > the hillstream loaches ;) LOL > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39253	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Okay will keep that in mind, thanks, hehe ;) How fast will it take over the top of the tank? I suppose it depends on the nutrients available, right? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Just make sure it doesn't overtake the surface of the Betta tank since > they > need surface area to breathe. The Betta will like building a bubble nest > under the duckweed though! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > I put it in the 55 gallon and the 10 gallon for now, the 55 gallon has the > filter turned down as it blows the guppy's away, LOL. Not to mention the > cory's, and anything else ;) I need to put the diffuser on the filter > instead of the head that's on it, it's just a little too powerful ;) I > figured the 125 gallon would have too much water current for it. > As soon as it builds up I'm going to throw some of it into my other 10 > gallon with my betta and frog. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > It will NOT do well in your highly filtered tanks.... not unless you > > put it in your 10G tank.. or does that one have plenty of filtration > > too? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of > > my tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift > > wood, I have it tied down with fishing line so far. > > Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > red-eye wrote: > > > > > > > > > What you need is duck weed.LOL. just kidding but it will completely > > > cover the water & does get quite thick. > > > > > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the > > > current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that > > > need less light. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to > > > float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too > > > much > > current? > > > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > > > place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's > > > too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... > > > The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for > > > the hillstream loaches ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39254	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Stupid questions

1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat Geo pics! Not a question - an observation.... 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - okay weird to me: he looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is acting normally now. 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and everything. Would this plant harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. Silly thought, I know... Thanks! Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39255	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

Philodendron is a favorite non-aquatic plant to grow in a tank. Many just rig up a container attaching it to the back inside of a tank, and allowing it to get enough water via drilled holes. I've never really paid attention to how they did it, so I can't be more specific than that. I don't know how well your arugula would do in such a situation. Having its feet wet all the time may be a problem, or not. You'll need to experiment. If you Google hydroponics, you may get some ideas how to do this, and what plants would be partial to this arrangement. I remember many years ago seeing a set up at Epcot where they were growing, hydroponically, tomatoes. The hydroponic sites may talk about additions to the water to make the growth needed in the plants, but I would put this aside, since what you need is probably already there in your tank water. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > dbrown1973@... > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > > 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat Geo pics! Not a > question - an observation.... > > 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - okay weird to me: he > looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he > retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It > was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is > acting normally now. > > 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and everything. Would this plant > harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to > grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. > Silly thought, I know... > > Thanks! > > Dani in ND >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39256	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

"purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having 5 of them rather than 3. Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39257	From: jocie stock	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Easter Everybody!!!... but BEWARE OF IDENTITY THEFT THIS E

That was really cute Lenny. My kids loved it. Happy Easter to you too. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Happy Easter Everybody!!!... but BEWARE OF IDENTITY THEFT THIS EASTER!!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:24 PM I got this in an email yesterday but since the group doesn't allow pics through the group, I Googled and found a website that had the email published. http://starbursider eus.wordpress. com/2009/ 04/09/beware- of-identity- theft-thi s-easter/ Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39258	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Master Test Kits versus Digital Testers

I have seen both Hanna & Pinpoint recommended to others by others. I was told Hanna makes the better of the two. http://tinyurl.com/cte7pe Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Master Test Kits versus Digital Testers As most know, we talk about how it's a good idea and almost mandatory that fish keepers buy a Master Test Kit on an annual basis. We're talking as low as $15 to $20. U.S. a year, compared to the much higher cost of medicines, etc., if/when the fish get sick. Occasionally, someone will mention digital testers instead of having to use test tubes and reagents. I'm still reading my March edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine and came across a full page ad for PINPOINT Brand testers and monitors. They included their prices in the ad. Nitrate - $259.00 pH - $ 99.00 Hardness - $125.00 Temperature - $ 39.00 (They didn't have ammonia or nitrite testers listed in this ad) And then there was a separate section for Calibration Fluids for pH 4.0, 7.0, 10.0 and for replacement probes which had a price range of $50.00 to $199.00. I don't know how often the probes have to be replaced. Now... maybe PINPOINT is the top of the line, gold standard in digital testers... I don't know... but all this considered, the $15.00 to $20.00 or so that an API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit costs is looking a WHOLE LOT BETTER!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39259	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Try it under a CF lighting fixture- they take off Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Duckweed will die back if there is plenty of surface agitation. It does well when the surface is very calm. Between my goldfish eating it and plenty of circulation, I can't keep duckweed in my 65G tank. I do grow it in my 10G cherry shrimp tank and transfer some over to the goldfish tank on regular basis. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:43 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current What you need is duck weed LOL just kidding but it will completely cover the water & does get quite thick. What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need less light. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) LOL Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39260	From: red-eye	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

Correcto mundo + light Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current Okay will keep that in mind, thanks, hehe ;) How fast will it take over the top of the tank? I suppose it depends on the nutrients available, right? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Just make sure it doesn't overtake the surface of the Betta tank since > they > need surface area to breathe. The Betta will like building a bubble nest > under the duckweed though! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > I put it in the 55 gallon and the 10 gallon for now, the 55 gallon has the > filter turned down as it blows the guppy's away, LOL. Not to mention the > cory's, and anything else ;) I need to put the diffuser on the filter > instead of the head that's on it, it's just a little too powerful ;) I > figured the 125 gallon would have too much water current for it. > As soon as it builds up I'm going to throw some of it into my other 10 > gallon with my betta and frog. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > It will NOT do well in your highly filtered tanks.... not unless you > > put it in your 10G tank.. or does that one have plenty of filtration > > too? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > Actually I bought some duckweed today and distributed it between 2 of > > my tanks, also got a couple pieces of java moss to attach to my drift > > wood, I have it tied down with fishing line so far. > > Thanks though, will let you know how fast it takes over ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > red-eye wrote: > > > > > > > > > What you need is duck weed.LOL. just kidding but it will completely > > > cover the water & does get quite thick. > > > > > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the > > > current puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that > > > need less light. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > > > > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to > > > float away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too > > > much > > current? > > > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > > > place ;) LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's > > > too much water current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... > > > The 125 gallon is even worse with all the filters I have on it for > > > the hillstream loaches ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39261	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

1. Dang, how did my ex-wife end up in Nat Geo? Oh yeah... cannibalism. LOL 2. What is your tank's water chemistry like compared to your tap water baseline chemistry? If there is a BIG difference, then doing a 30% PWC might be changing the chemistry too much, too fast. I'm presuming the "yellow snail" is a Mystery Snail??? If so, many of them are sensitive to water conditions. As long as he went back in and is OK now, he should hopefully be OK but if you do not have the above testing done, it's a good idea to do so. I have a blog article on "Establishing Your Tap Water Baseline". 3. http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/arugula.htm I doubt that the plant would harm the fish as long as the roots are the main thing in contact with the water and the plant isn't allowed to die/rot in the water. Many others have tried many DIY projects of the years with using tank water as a way of irrigating their plants sitting in trays plumbed to the canister filter or other pumping system or via hydroponics. The breeder baskets (plastic) that hang on the inside of a tank have also been used where folks would fill the basket with polyfill, instead of dirt, and then the plant would root into the polyfill. You could Google and probably find a lot more info on this and if I recall correctly, there is a hydroponics related Yahoo Group. Remember that hydroponics is often used to grow illegal tobacco-like plants (Hint - Bill Clinton said he did not inhale this plant when he tried it.) so be prepared to come across a lot of folks talking about that in some groups/forums as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@... Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat Geo pics! Not a question - an observation.... 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - okay weird to me: he looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is acting normally now. 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and everything. Would this plant harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. Silly thought, I know... Thanks! Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39262	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

I do not know what size / speed of a pump was used, but I saw a plastic house gutter used above the tank. It was on an angle and the water came off the end and down into the tank, like a hang on back filter. The Pothos and Philodendron were attached to the back of the gutter and the roots flowed with the water down the gutter. The plants hung over the front and pretty much hid the gutter from view. It looked real nice. Oh they had grow lights on the plants... Not a long tube but more like flood lamps... On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > Philodendron is a favorite non-aquatic plant to grow in a tank. Many > just rig up a container attaching it to the back inside of a tank, and > allowing it to get enough water via drilled holes. I've never really > paid attention to how they did it, so I can't be more specific than > that. I don't know how well your arugula would do in such a situation. > Having its feet wet all the time may be a problem, or not. You'll need > to experiment. > > If you Google hydroponics, you may get some ideas how to do this, and > what plants would be partial to this arrangement. I remember many years > ago seeing a set up at Epcot where they were growing, hydroponically, > tomatoes. The hydroponic sites may talk about additions to the water to > make the growth needed in the plants, but I would put this aside, since > what you need is probably already there in your tank water. > > \\Steve// > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of >> dbrown1973@... >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:25 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions >> >> 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those > Nat Geo pics! Not a >> question - an observation.... >> >> 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird > - okay weird to me: he >> looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a > fish got near to nip him, he >> retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come > almost all the way out. It >> was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the > thing he does and is >> acting normally now. >> >> 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and > everything. Would this plant >> harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the > filter to allow it to >> grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. > It's almost like a watercress. >> Silly thought, I know... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dani in ND >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39263	From: William	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

Talking about Gish that will "clean" the feet of people , there is the doctor fishes. Not just one species but several kinds including some cichlids that are used in tanks where people will put their feet to have the dead skin picked off of. Most states are banning this practice because they are afraid of having diseases passed from the fish to other people. If they would filter the water through UV after other good filtration there would be very little likelihood of spreading any diseases. That plus having several groups (of fish) that are carefully rotated so that they have a few days "rest (to clean out any diseases)would go a long way to keeping diseases from spreading. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > all I know is the guppies are healthy and it actually feels good. > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:00 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > > > > > > > > > There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish > disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can > infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, > any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe > "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the windows > at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing the happy > I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) > > Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are limited to > the species in which they infect... although there are occasional crossover > pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not actually > get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of darlene > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am=2 > 0curious about. > > Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it > you could have problems > > Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you > might hurt the fish > > > > Darlene > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The > guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. > its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they > were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one > else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. > > Kate Dale > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We > Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39264	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

that is as so true. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: William <dreammaker2623@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:28 am Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: a few things that I am curious about. Talking about Gish that will "clean" the feet of people , there is the doctor fishes. Not just one species but several kinds including some cichlids that are used in tanks where people will put their feet to have the dead skin picked off of. Most states are banning this practice because they are afraid of having diseases passed from the fish to other people. If they would filter the water through UV after other good filtration there would be very little likelihood of spreading any diseases. That plus having several groups (of fish) that are carefully rotated so that they have a few days "rest (to clean out any diseases)would go a long way to keeping diseases from spreading. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > all I know is the guppies are healthy and it actually feels good. > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:00 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > > > > > > > > > There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish > disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can > infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, > any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe > "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the windows > at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing the happy > I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) > > Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are limited to > the species in which they infect... although there are occasional crossover > pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not actually > get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of darlene > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am=2 > 0curious about. > > Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it > you could have problems > > Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you > might hurt the fish > > > > Darlene > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLif e@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The > guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. > its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they > were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one > else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. > > Kate Dale > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((> <·´¯`·.¸¸. > We > Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39265	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Floating plants and tanks with good current

2 of my tanks have CFL lighting, and the 2 ten gallons have fluorescent lighting. I tried it in one of each, so we shall see how it goes. The 10 gallon downstairs gets some natural sunlight though, may help. Amber red-eye wrote: > > > Try it under a CF lighting fixture- they take off > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Duckweed will die back if there is plenty of surface agitation. It does > well when the surface is very calm. Between my goldfish eating it and > plenty of circulation, I can't keep duckweed in my 65G tank. I do grow it > in my 10G cherry shrimp tank and transfer some over to the goldfish > tank on > regular basis. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of red-eye > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:43 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > What you need is duck weed…LOL… just kidding but it will completely cover > the water & does get quite thick. > > What I have learned to do is let the floaters reside anywhere the current > puts them. It is below these areas that I put plants that need less > light. > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Floating plants and tanks with good current > > Okay so what's the recommended thing to do for plants that want to float > away and get stuck in odd places because your tank has too much current? > I like having floating plants, but I can't seem to keep them in one > place ;) > LOL Even in my 10 gallon with a little HOB filter, there's too much water > current to have the floating plants stay in one spot... The 125 gallon is > even worse with all the filters I have on it for the hillstream loaches ;) > LOL > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive > the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No > E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive > individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39266	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

A lot of people are lazy and I bet that's why they are getting banned, there's always people out there to ruin stuff for everyone else ;). Also we just went over this topic too, LOL. Was a thread I started about doctor fishes just last week I believe, they have them at my fish store right now (tilapia). Amber William wrote: > > > Talking about Gish that will "clean" the feet of people , there is the > doctor fishes. Not just one species but several kinds including some > cichlids that are used in tanks where people will put their feet to > have the dead skin picked off of. Most states are banning this > practice because they are afraid of having diseases passed from the > fish to other people. If they would filter the water through UV after > other good filtration there would be very little likelihood of > spreading any diseases. That plus having several groups (of fish) that > are carefully rotated so that they have a few days "rest (to clean out > any diseases)would go a long way to keeping diseases from spreading. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > all I know is the guppies are healthy and it actually feels good. > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:00 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish > > disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can > > infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, > > any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe > > "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the > windows > > at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing > the happy > > I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) > > > > Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are > limited to > > the species in which they infect... although there are occasional > crossover > > pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not > actually > > get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of darlene > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am=2 > > 0curious about. > > > > Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets > into it > > you could have problems > > > > Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you > > might hurt the fish > > > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > > Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. > > > > > > I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The > > guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at > my arm. > > its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they > > were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one > > else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. > > > > Kate Dale > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We > > Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can > > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the home > > page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39267	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) hehe Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed out > pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish > happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, > they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got > some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me > have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My > danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big > change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. > I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should > be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more > cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having > 5 of them rather than 3. > > Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > curious just how purple they get ;) > I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to > order purple fish, LOL > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39268	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: hr669. Grandfather clause

_HR 669 - "Grandfather clause" prohibitions, penalties, & permits _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asabirds/message/43080;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYmdtcGM3BF9TAzk3M zU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ3ODE4MDQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyOTg4BG1zZ0lkAzQzMDgwBHNlYwNkb XNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMzk1NjQ5ODY-) Posted by: "Kathy Heaton 'http://pets.groups.yahoo.co" _kbheaton@... _ (mailto:kbheaton@...?Subject= Re:HR%20669%20-%20"Grandfather%20clause"%20prohibitions,%20penalties,%20&%20permits) _heatonkb _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/heatonkb) Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:02 am (PDT) On Sunday, April 12, 2009 _gennygem2@..._ (mailto:gennygem2@...) wrote: This post will be about the "grandfather clause", prohibitionprohibition<WBR>s and penalti under HR 669. I welcome any questions or discussion on this bill. Anyone can contact me privately if you are hesitant to post publicly. BTW, I’m not a breeder, seller, dealer, or exhibitor of any animals. I know many people who are, and I respect most of them. I am not paid by any business or organization to lobby for them. The only dog I have in this fight is wanting to be able to continue to keep my animals and wanting you to be able to continue to have yours. My comments are marked with ***** The relevant language of the bill is provided below. I agree everyone should read the bill for themselves. You can see the full text of the bill here: <_http://frwebgate.http://frwehttp://frwebhttp://frwehttp://frwehttp://frw&<WBR>docid=f:h6<WBR>do_ (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h669ih.txt.pdf) > 1. THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE **** The "grandfather clause" only allows a person who can prove "legal" ownership of a non approved species prior to enactment of the law to continue to possess the animal. No other prohibiti ons of the act are excused. No transport, no crossing state lines, no replacing the animal when it dies. Many owners cannot prove they "legally" owned an animal - they have no paperwork proving legal ownership. Many owners are unknowingly in violation of local zoning ordinances that make their pets "illegal" - such as pet limit laws, exotic bans, "wildlife" bans, insurance requirements for exotic animals, etc. **** " SEC. 3. .....(f) Animals Owned Lawfully Prior to Prohibition of Importation.—This Act and regulations issued under this Act shall not interfere with the ability of any person to possess an individual animal of any species if such individual animal was legally owned by the person before the risk assessment is begun pursuant to subsection (e)(3), even if such species is later prohibited from being imported under the regulations issued under this Act. " 2. THINGS THAT WILL BE PROHIBITED BY HR 669, AND PENALTIES (a) Prohibitions.—Except as provided in this section or in section 7, **** (section 7 is the permit s ection) ***** it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to— (1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4; ***** No more taking your non approved species pet with you if you move out of the country, or bringing a non approved species pet back with you when you return to the US ***** (2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4; ***** If you want to move to another state - you can't take your non approved species with you - you can't cross state lines without a permit for the non approved species (permits aren't available to pet owners under Section 7). If you want to adopt from a sanctuary in another state, or send your bird to a sanctuary in another state - can't do it without a permit (permits not available to pet owners or to sanctuaries under Section 7). If you travel with your pets (car, train, RV, plane, whatever) you can't take your non approved species with you - no crossing state lines without a permitf for non approved species (permits are not available to pet owners) ******** If you want to take your pet across state lines for veterinary20treatmeIf you want to take your (3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7, ***** (section 7 is the permit section) ***** (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); ***** No more free flying of birds. ***** or (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes. **** No breeding or breeder loans for any non approved species (not just birds), even for zoos or for conservation purposes. Zoos can only get permits for importation (see Section 7 on permits). Ask yourself - where will the animals that zoos or other institutions are supposed to be able to import come from? CITES now prohibits importation of many species. Are zoos supposed to start taking more animals from the wild to supply them with animals? Some zoos have developed some very successful breeding programs - these will stop. **** ***** Some of our birds can live for many decades. But when those die, their species will die with them. Their habitat is being destroyed. There are many people who own other kinds of exotic animals that don’t live for a long time (either in the wild or in captivity) such as hundreds of species of aquarium fish, small pet mammals (hamsters, rats and mice, gerbils, rabbits, chinchillas, ferrets), and reptiles of many kinds (snakes, lizards, turtles). Many, if not most, of these pets are not imported - they are domestically bred. The owners of these other exotic pets will no longer be able to have their chosen pet after a few years. They will not be able to replace them when they die. ***** (b) Penalties and Enforcement.—Any person who violates subsection (a) shall be subject to the civil penalties and criminal penalties described in section 4 of the Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (16 U.S.C. 3373). Sections 4(b), 4(e), 5, and 6 of that Act shall apply to such a violation in the same manner as they apply to a violation of that Act. ***** Penalties for violation under 16 USC 3373 can be up to $10,000.00 per violation _http://uscode.http://uschttp://uscohttp://uscodhttp://uscode.http://uscodht tp://ushttp://uscodhttp://usc_ (http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t13t16+7505+1++'16%20USC%20Sec.%203373') > ***** 3. PERMITS ***** Any permits that may be issued are only for importation. Permits or exclusions from the prohibitions of HR 669 will not be available to individuals ((<WBR>inc <WBR>pet ow under HR 669. The bill provides that permits may only be issued to specified entities for specified approved purposes. If you don't qualify under Section 7 you don't get a permit for importation. SEE HR 669, SECTION 7 ***** "SEC. 7. Permits. (a) In general.—The Secretary may issue a permit authorizing importation otherwise prohibited under section 6(a)(1), for scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary, if the Secretary finds that there has been a proper showing by the permittee of responsibility for the specimen and continued protection of the public interest and health wi th respect to the specimen. (b) Terms and conditions.—The Secretary may include in a permit under subsection (a) terms and conditions to minimize the risk of introduction or establishment of the nonnative wildlife species in the United States." Genny Wall Attorney at Law Legislative VP AFA, NAIA _gennygem2@..._ (mailto:gennygem2@...) **** HR 669 doesn't just make breeding and importing of non approved species illegal. It also prohibits exportation, transport between states, possession, sale, purchase, or barter (or offers to do any of those) of non approved species. ***** **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39269	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

Steve, Thank you! I love philos!!! On the hunt to get one now, lol. Dani in ND "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 5:15 AM Philodendron is a favorite non-aquatic plant to grow in a tank. Many just rig up a container attaching it to the back inside of a tank, and allowing it to get enough water via drilled holes. I've never really paid attention to how they did it, so I can't be more specific than that. I don't know how well your arugula would do in such a situation. Having its feet wet all the time may be a problem, or not. You'll need to experiment. If you Google hydroponics, you may get some ideas how to do this, and what plants would be partial to this arrangement. I remember many years ago seeing a set up at Epcot where they were growing, hydroponically, tomatoes. The hydroponic sites may talk about additions to the water to make the growth needed in the plants, but I would put this aside, since what you need is probably already there in your tank water. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39270	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

Ahhh... tank's chemistry... uh yeah - still have to get that thingymabopper to test my water. I have too many fish in my 30 gal tank - I know this already but cannot afford another tank at the moment. They were rescued off of freecycle. So I have to do a PWC once a week. Yes the yellow snail is a mystery snail, and I've determined it's not an apple snail after all. It's laid one clutch of eggs already in the black mesh filter (how it got in there is beyond me, lol). I'm already a member of the hydroponics group, but didn't think to ask them about plants in my fishtank tho. It's something I've been thinking about getting into - with tomatoes and potatoes and other plants legally like that : ) .  Breeder baskets!!! Excellent idea! The arugula is sitting in the back of the filter right now, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have enough light, so I'm going to set up my lamp near it.  I'll let ya know how it goes. Thanks again! Dani in ND "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:53 AM 1. Dang, how did my ex-wife end up in Nat Geo? Oh yeah.... cannibalism. LOL 2. What is your tank's water chemistry like compared to your tap water baseline chemistry? If there is a BIG difference, then doing a 30% PWC might be changing the chemistry too much, too fast. I'm presuming the "yellow snail" is a Mystery Snail??? If so, many of them are sensitive to water conditions. As long as he went back in and is OK now, he should hopefully be OK but if you do not have the above testing done, it's a good idea to do so. I have a blog article on "Establishing Your Tap Water Baseline". 3. http://www.gourmets leuth.com/ arugula.htm I doubt that the plant would harm the fish as long as the roots are the main thing in contact with the water and the plant isn't allowed to die/rot in the water. Many others have tried many DIY projects of the years with using tank water as a way of irrigating their plants sitting in trays plumbed to the canister filter or other pumping system or via hydroponics. The breeder baskets (plastic) that hang on the inside of a tank have also been used where folks would fill the basket with polyfill, instead of dirt, and then the plant would root into the polyfill. You could Google and probably find a lot more info on this and if I recall correctly, there is a hydroponics related Yahoo Group. Remember that hydroponics is often used to grow illegal tobacco-like plants (Hint - Bill Clinton said he did not inhale this plant when he tried it.) so be prepared to come across a lot of folks talking about that in some groups/forums as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@ymail. com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:25 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat Geo pics! Not a question - an observation. ... 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - okay weird to me: he looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is acting normally now. 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and everything. Would this plant harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. Silly thought, I know... Thanks! Dani in ND [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39271	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

Doing a PWC once a week should be considered de rigueur for any tank. If one has an overcrowded tank PWC should be done more often. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Danielle Brown > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > > Ahhh... tank's chemistry... uh yeah - still have to get that thingymabopper to test my water. I > have too many fish in my 30 gal tank - I know this already but cannot afford another tank at > the moment. They were rescued off of freecycle. So I have to do a PWC once a week. Yes the > yellow snail is a mystery snail, and I've determined it's not an apple snail after all. It's laid > one clutch of eggs already in the black mesh filter (how it got in there is beyond me, lol). > > I'm already a member of the hydroponics group, but didn't think to ask them about plants in > my fishtank tho. It's something I've been thinking about getting into - with tomatoes and > potatoes and other plants legally like that : ) .  Breeder baskets!!! Excellent idea! The arugula > is sitting in the back of the filter right now, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have enough light, > so I'm going to set up my lamp near it.  I'll let ya know how it goes. > > Thanks again! > > Dani in ND > > "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." > ~Robert H. Schuller > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Dang, how did my ex-wife end up in Nat Geo? Oh yeah.... cannibalism. LOL > > > > 2. What is your tank's water chemistry like compared to your tap water > > baseline chemistry? If there is a BIG difference, then doing a 30% PWC > > might be changing the chemistry too much, too fast. I'm presuming the > > "yellow snail" is a Mystery Snail??? If so, many of them are sensitive to > > water conditions. As long as he went back in and is OK now, he should > > hopefully be OK but if you do not have the above testing done, it's a good > > idea to do so. I have a blog article on "Establishing Your Tap Water > > Baseline". > > > > 3. http://www.gourmets leuth.com/ arugula.htm I doubt that the plant would > > harm the fish as long as the roots are the main thing in contact with the > > water and the plant isn't allowed to die/rot in the water. Many others have > > tried many DIY projects of the years with using tank water as a way of > > irrigating their plants sitting in trays plumbed to the canister filter or > > other pumping system or via hydroponics. The breeder baskets (plastic) that > > hang on the inside of a tank have also been used where folks would fill the > > basket with polyfill, instead of dirt, and then the plant would root into > > the polyfill. You could Google and probably find a lot more info on this > > and if I recall correctly, there is a hydroponics related Yahoo Group. > > Remember that hydroponics is often used to grow illegal tobacco-like plants > > (Hint - Bill Clinton said he did not inhale this plant when he tried it.) so > > be prepared to come across a lot of folks talking about that in some > > groups/forums as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of dbrown1973@ymail. com > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:25 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > > > > 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat > > Geo pics! Not a question - an observation. ... > > > > 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - > > okay weird to me: he looked like he was trying to come completely out of his > > shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he retreated back into his shell and > > after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It was unnerving! > > But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is > > acting normally now. > > > > 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and > > everything. Would this plant harm fish that anyone knows about? I was > > thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to grow or find a way of > > planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. > > Silly thought, I know... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dani in ND > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39272	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

The best thingymabopper out there right now, IMO, is either the API or Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit from Walmart.com, with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart so that the cost for either is under $20.00, including tax. In an overstocked tank, it becomes very important, almost critical, that the water be tested regularly and that you know your tap water baseline and tank's chemistry so you do not change things too drastically when doing PWC's. Some folks are forced to only do 5% to 10% PWC's because the tap water comes out the tap so much different than the tank's chemistry. Most folks can safely do a 25% PWC without a problem. Others can do much larger percentages. BUT... you have to know the numbers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Brown Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions Ahhh... tank's chemistry... uh yeah - still have to get that thingymabopper to test my water. I have too many fish in my 30 gal tank - I know this already but cannot afford another tank at the moment. They were rescued off of freecycle. So I have to do a PWC once a week. Yes the yellow snail is a mystery snail, and I've determined it's not an apple snail after all. It's laid one clutch of eggs already in the black mesh filter (how it got in there is beyond me, lol). I'm already a member of the hydroponics group, but didn't think to ask them about plants in my fishtank tho. It's something I've been thinking about getting into - with tomatoes and potatoes and other plants legally like that : ) .  Breeder baskets!!! Excellent idea! The arugula is sitting in the back of the filter right now, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have enough light, so I'm going to set up my lamp near it.  I'll let ya know how it goes. Thanks again! Dani in ND "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:53 AM 1. Dang, how did my ex-wife end up in Nat Geo? Oh yeah.... cannibalism. LOL 2. What is your tank's water chemistry like compared to your tap water baseline chemistry? If there is a BIG difference, then doing a 30% PWC might be changing the chemistry too much, too fast. I'm presuming the "yellow snail" is a Mystery Snail??? If so, many of them are sensitive to water conditions. As long as he went back in and is OK now, he should hopefully be OK but if you do not have the above testing done, it's a good idea to do so. I have a blog article on "Establishing Your Tap Water Baseline". 3. http://www.gourmets leuth.com/ arugula.htm I doubt that the plant would harm the fish as long as the roots are the main thing in contact with the water and the plant isn't allowed to die/rot in the water. Many others have tried many DIY projects of the years with using tank water as a way of irrigating their plants sitting in trays plumbed to the canister filter or other pumping system or via hydroponics. The breeder baskets (plastic) that hang on the inside of a tank have also been used where folks would fill the basket with polyfill, instead of dirt, and then the plant would root into the polyfill. You could Google and probably find a lot more info on this and if I recall correctly, there is a hydroponics related Yahoo Group. Remember that hydroponics is often used to grow illegal tobacco-like plants (Hint - Bill Clinton said he did not inhale this plant when he tried it.) so be prepared to come across a lot of folks talking about that in some groups/forums as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of dbrown1973@ymail. com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:25 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions 1. Okay I love the photo of the octopus on the home page! I love those Nat Geo pics! Not a question - an observation. ... 2. I did a PWC of 30% and one of the yellow snails did something weird - okay weird to me: he looked like he was trying to come completely out of his shell! As a fish got near to nip him, he retreated back into his shell and after a few seconds, he'd come almost all the way out. It was unnerving! But... He's not dead and he has gone back to doing the thing he does and is acting normally now. 3. My grocery store sells arugula with the roots all attached and everything. Would this plant harm fish that anyone knows about? I was thinking of putting it in the filter to allow it to grow or find a way of planting it in the tank to allow it to grow. It's almost like a watercress. Silly thought, I know... Thanks! Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39273	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

I had to google "de rigueur " lol. I see your point. It's so time consuming and a pain in the arse, but I'll see what kids I can round up to help me with it. Thanks again, Dani in ND "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:07 PM Doing a PWC once a week should be considered de rigueur for any tank. If one has an overcrowded tank PWC should be done more often. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

And if you do not know your water parameters, you could do a 10% PWC each day... quicker and easier since it will only be 3G to 4G of water, not even a full 5G bucket. 10% is usually a small enough percentage that even if you have a BIG difference in water parameters from the tap and the tank, it should not cause any shock issues to the fish. Then, once a week, do a larger percentage, 25% to 33%... enough so that you can vacuum your gravel well. This kind of schedule would result in a 75% to 85% water change each week which would be three times more than just doing a 25% PWC once a week. These are just the things that have to be done on an overstocked tank. You could also do filter maintenance twice a week to keep the filters cleaner between maintenance to lower the DOC's (dissolved organic compounds.... basically fish diarrhea which is what fish poop that dissolves into the water turns into). I should sign this GoldLenny as my nom de plume... in keeping with \\Steve's// "de rigueur". ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Brown Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions I had to google "de rigueur " lol. I see your point. It's so time consuming and a pain in the arse, but I'll see what kids I can round up to help me with it. Thanks again, Dani in ND "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:07 PM Doing a PWC once a week should be considered de rigueur for any tank. If one has an overcrowded tank PWC should be done more often. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39275	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Stupid questions

Dani, Then you need to reconsider how you do you water changes. I used to have 30 tanks going at one time. It would take me about 2 hours to do water changes along with filter cleanings.. These were sized from 55 gallons down to 1 gallon containers. Smaller containers were for new fry. Those that got more than one water change per week are not included in the approximately two hours I mentioned above, but they were also quick and easy to do. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Danielle Brown > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:58 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > > I had to google "de rigueur " lol. > > I see your point. It's so time consuming and a pain in the arse, but I'll see what kids I can > round up to help me with it. > > Thanks again, > Dani in ND > > "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." > ~Robert H. Schuller > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Stupid questions > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doing a PWC once a week should be considered de rigueur for any tank. If one has an > overcrowded tank PWC should be done more often. > > > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39276	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp is

Lenny, Since you mention it, it may have been Paradis, LA. Perhaps they may have charter fishing boats out of there which may account for the little city being more noteworthy than others in the area(?). I know they didn't say "Parish" as that term would have rung a bell with me since I'm familiar with a Parish representing what a County would be in other states. Anyway, if Paradis was not what I understood them to say then I obviously got it wrong in light of your saying that the City of Des Allemands is more noted for having a marina. Sound like a lot of good fishing down your way in any event. Thanks for the mini-lesson on the Cajun Country, I hadn't known about the real term, "Acadiana." I enjoy many types of music, Cajun music being one of them. Thanks too for the Invite! You may just find me at your door within the next week or two (LOL). I have first dibs on the couch (LOL). Best, Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Fish.... let me get that out the way early on! LOL > > I think your reference to "Paris" probably has to do with Parish. In > Louisiana, we use the term, Parish, instead of County, as is used in the > other 49 States. I think it has to do with it being the same term used to > separate Catholic Church districts. Wikipedia seems to somewhat agree with > me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish. It seems other Churches also > use the term, Parish, but since I was born and raised Catholic, I was not > aware/familiar with that fact. > > They could have been talking about Paradis, LA, but that little city is more > inland. Paradis is just south of the New Orleans metro area but it is > situated in close proximity to a very large bayou, Bayou Des Allemands and > Lac des Allemands (the BIG lake at the north end of the bayou) which then > has easy access to some of the large Bays and other salt/brackish water > fish... but I still think they were referring to Parish, not "Paris". The > City of Des Allemands and it's accompanying fishing villages and marinas > would have been more noted for that GREAT fishing spot, instead of Paradis. > > > There is Plaquemines Parish, which contains a big part (probably all of it) > of the Mississippi River Delta (where the River and its tributaries dump > into the Gulf Of Mexico and adjoining marshes) so there is LOTS of good > fishing available from all of the small towns that line both sides of the > Mississippi River and other more remote areas of Plaquemines Parish. My own > Parish, Jefferson Parish, which is mostly an urban sprawl now, does also go > all the way down to the Gulf Of Mexico and includes the famous fishing > town/island known as Grand Isle http://www.grand-isle.com/ where they also > have the annual Grand Isle Tarpon Rodeo and many other tournaments > throughout the year. > > Then there is St. Bernard Parish http://stbernardparish.net/ (one of the > hardest hit areas of Katrina, although Plaquemines Parish, St. Tammany > Parish and of course, Orleans Parish, was also hard hit)... but St. Bernard > Parish is actually where the Battle Of New Orleans > http://stbernardparish.net/history.htm was really fought... not actually in > the City Of New Orleans. They also have famous fishing villages/marinas > such as Ycloskey, Delacroix Island, Gulf Outlet Marina, etc. > http://www.rodnreel.com/campos/ > http://www.visitstbernard.com/outdoors/ > http://stbernardparish.net/profile.htm > > During my Google search for the above links, I also came across a page > titled, "Dispatches From Tanganyika" which I found unusual (what do the > cichlids of Lake Tanganyika have to do with around here???), but here it > is... about St. Bernard Parish, LA. LOL > http://docbrite.livejournal.com/tag/st.+bernard+parish I had to look around > to find out how Tanganyika had anything to do with St. Bernard Parish and > southern Louisiana and here is where this writer came up with the title to > his website/blog. > http://docbrite.livejournal.com/profile - In the BIO section.... > > "Dispatches from Tanganyika" is a reference to one of the incomprehensible > editorial letters John Kennedy Toole received when he was trying to sell A > Confederacy of Dunces (my favorite book of all time). "[W]hen someone like > yourself is living off from the center of cultural-business activities, with > only a thin lifeline to that center, through vague and solitary contacts, > everything gets disproportionate, difficult to analyze, to give the proper > weight to. It is like those odd people who turn up in New Zealand or > Tanganyika or Finland, writing or painting masterpieces -- they have their > own power, but they read or look as if the artist has had to discover the > form for himself. They don't have the assurance of worldliness and mutual > interest and energy with others." I'm not sure the editor realized New > Orleans was, in fact, part of the United States. (I'm not sure New Orleans > is, in fact, part of the United States.) Ever since I read this, the word > "Tanganyika" has been linked in my mind with the attempt to write fiction > about the New Orleans that really exists, rather than perpetuating the > fantasy." > > All of the other southern Parishes > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parishes_in_Louisiana that include land > masses all the way down through the swamps into the Gulf Of Mexico also have > fishing villages and marinas that speckle the coast line. > > Then there is Avery Island, home of the red peppers used to make the world > famous Tabasco Sauce http://tabasco.com/tabasco_history/avery_island.cfm. > > Yes, New Orleans Jazz Music (kind of a mix of Jazz, Blues and other styles), > from the likes of Louis Armstrong, Fats Domino and countless others > originated from some of the French Quarter Jazz clubs, many that still > operate today in the French Quarter. Cajun music, which comes from outside > of the New Orleans area heading all the way west through southern Louisiana > in what is known as "Cajun Country" or the real term, Acadiana > http://www.gumbopages.com/acadiana/ (which includes this definition of Cajun > - [CAJUN ('ka:-j@n), n. A person born or living along the bayous, marshes > and prairies of south Louisiana; devoted to gumbo, boudin, sauce piquante, > crawfish and jambalaya; dedicated to the fais-do-do, French music, hard work > and letting the good times roll. (Inscription from a gift given to me by my > aunt and uncle Faye and Herman Gesser of New Iberia, Louisiana)] which > mentions many other things that are so GREAT about this area of the country > that I haven't even touched on yet. LOL > > Mentioning anything to do with Louisiana automatically connotes fish as we > are officially known as "The Bayou State" and there is good fishing moments > away from anywhere you may be in Louisiana. Quite often, as you travel the > highways and byways of Louisiana, you'll see folks pulled over on the side > of the road and fishing in one of the many bayous, rivers, lakes, swamps, > bogs, ditches or any other water source that our roads wind through, around > or over. Many of our GREAT fishing piers are actually bridges that have > since been replaced by larger more modern bridges. Instead of tearing down > the old bridge, they would simply tear down the middle of the bridge, > usually where there was the draw bridge section but leave the two spans from > each side of the water way. These two spans then become GREAT fishing > piers. This page http://www.lafishmag.com/FishingPier.html shows good > pictures of the new bridge to Grand Isle with the old wooden bridge next to > it and how it is now a free fishing pier. On the other side of Caminada > Pass (the waterway that connects Caminada Bay to the Gulf Of Mexico), the > other half of the bridge span is also used as a fishing pier. > > Dang... I think I've earned my Tourism and Travel Writer points for the > year... so now all y'all come on down and laissez les bon temps rouler (let > the good times roll!). > > BTW, speaking of good times... the French Quarter Fest, one of our many > music/food/entertainment festivals is coming up on April 17 - 19, 2009 > http://www.fqfi.org/frenchquarterfest/ so make your reservations soon. Not > long after the French Quarter Fest is our WORLD FAMOUS Jazz Fest, officially > known as the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival - > http://www.nojazzfest.com/ - which runs from April 24 thru May 3, 2009 with > the majority of the entertainment taking place on Thursday thru Sunday but > there are also concerts/events almost every night of the week as well. We > don't do one day festivals down here! > > First come, first served as far as my couch goes! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:53 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: N'awlins - was, Home Page Pic - What kind of > Saltwater Shrimp is that??? > > Lenny, Speaking of N'awlins and surroundings, I meant to ask you -- is > there a town or area down more towards the delta by the name of "Paris?" I > seem to remember a while back on a sports channel (TV) hearing of some good > salt water sports fishing at that location in Louisiana off the coast; did I > remember right? > > And, still speaking about N'awlins, although not on the subject of food -- > just wanted to mention some of my favorite music originates from there. I > believe the French Quarter is known for jazz music, unless I'm mistaken > again, which I can enjoy but as another type of music I can also enjoy, Doug > Kershaw ("The Ragin' Cajun/The King of the Fiddle") and his Cajun music was > one of my favorites. I don't hear much of him anymore, but I note his son > Sammy Kershaw has followed in his father's footsteps. Then, there was Fats > Domino ("The Fat Man from New Orleans") with his own style of Rock 'N Roll > which I used to enjoy in my teens. Any of this take you back? Oh, I don't > know if any of Doug Kershaw's music had anything to do with "fish" (there, I > stayed on topic - LOL). Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Oh.. that's easy. > > > > Zatarain's Crab & Shrimp Boil and just follow the directions or here's > > some recipes... http://www.zatarains.com/recipelanding.cfm > > > > MMMMMM, MMMMMM, GOOOD!!!! Hot & Spicy... but that's how we roll down > > here in N'Awlins! ;-) > > > > Or the other famous N'Awlins recipe for shrimp... Barbecued Shrimp > > from Pascal's Manale Restaurant > > http://www.neworleansrestaurants.com/pascalsmanale/ (but they're still > > dripping in hot & spicy flavors) > > > > The dang pansy Yankees can have their lemon and butter sauce. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Deenerz@ > > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater > > Shrimp is that??? > > > > > > And perhaps some recipes for it ;) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 9:59 pm > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Home Page Pic - What kind of Saltwater Shrimp > > is that??? > > > > > > One of the mods changed the picture from the "sea-tiger" (lol) to a > > nice > > > > looking shrimp. > > > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/ > > > > Do any of the saltwater tank keepers know what kind of shrimp that is? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39277	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Hi I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, about 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water a week prior to this. Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra filtering would help... Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or anything...just regular water with the detox solution. In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working and clear. I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the usual parameters What else might be going on? Thanks Alina

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39278	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Hmmmmmm. Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than your nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe hidden in a decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it stinks to high Heaven, then it's dead. I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to move decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during normal tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is it getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for pH? What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of 0.25ppm means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving unusual results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out what is going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always a good thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's are not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary measure. In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the proper solution. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alina Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? Hi I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, about 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water a week prior to this. Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra filtering would help... Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or anything...just regular water with the detox solution. In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working and clear. I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the usual parameters What else might be going on? Thanks Alina ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39279	From: bill1433	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?

Len, Your description was flawless! Thats hows comes I don't puts ‘em in there! <grin> Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39280	From: ED	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's > > even > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating > > system has > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's > > have > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up > > their > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see > > similar > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the > > chair.. > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little > > about > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > over-protect > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > traveling the > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world > > without > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any > > other > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > computers to > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, > > whose > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? > > Would > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who > > left > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would > > then > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and > > Pro > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > han_ > > > mac_os.html > > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much > > larger > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality > > of > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > > etc., > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL > > see more > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version > > of > > > Vista. > > > Wendie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kelly > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going > > back to > > > XP > > > > > > Kelly > > > xxxxx > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not > > install > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > > XP, > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with > > it. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > > my > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just > > use it > > > to > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, > > using > > > the > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > > done much > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > > > software > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > > major > > > new > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > > pigs > > > to > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the > > bugs.. > > > then > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > > major > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > religiously > > > is my > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or > > if > > > there > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > saying... "If > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > > haven't > > > seen > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When > > a > > > new > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > > > virtual > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade > > right > > > away. > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > > to > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up > > that > > > fast. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > Internet > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > Features > > > box. > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > competition > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > > be > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but > > maybe > > > not. > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to > > my > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > but I > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > > done > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a > > check > > > mark in > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What > > is > > > your > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > > Add/Remove > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components > > section > > > that > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that > > if > > > you > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > > through > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I > > know, > > > you > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > > liked > > > IE6 (as > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > > other > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > > > I'm > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > > > in > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I > > just > > > found > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in > > the > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > > > Add/Remove > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > > it > > > will > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully > > you > > > at > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > \\Steve// > > > can > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > > > add/remove > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > > until > > > I've > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my > > current > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > security > > > risk. > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > > > same with > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > > 8 are > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > > file in > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > gotten > > > the > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > > I > > > had gone > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > service, > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy > > of > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > since. > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > > install > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > > > Add/Remove > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > > work, > > > if > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > > downloaded > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have > > been a > > > number > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > > > backup of > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely > > need > > > to have > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > > problems > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > > > fact > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > > work > > > and > > > > won't > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > > > my > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > > > take > > > > a > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > > > computer, > > > > using > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the > > home > > > > page of > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > > > Tour > > > > page > > > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I > > wonder > > > if > > > > it > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > trying to > > > > add on > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show > > up > > > on > > > > the > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > > > that > > > > to > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > > posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39281	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Hi Lenny, Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a day for fear of starting the cycle over. It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and had been having no problems for months and months. I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my intake, and it's clear. One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that carcass. Should I stop water changes now? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmmm. > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than your > nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe hidden in a > decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the > smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it stinks to > high Heaven, then it's dead. > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to move > decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be > surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during normal > tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is it > getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for pH? > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of 0.25ppm > means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for ammonia > and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving unusual > results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out what is > going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always a good > thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's are > not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary measure. > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the proper > solution. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Alina > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > Hi > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing a > spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a > little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a > day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, about > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water a > week prior to this. > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of > snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not > overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my old > one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra > filtering would help... > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or anything...just > regular water with the detox solution. > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working and > clear. > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in the > event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the usual > parameters > > > What else might be going on? > > Thanks > > Alina > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39282	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

I wouldn't stop water changes, I would search a little harder for those dead snail carcasses. Chances are there's one hiding somewhere and you haven't found it yet... Do you have fake plants? Check inside the plants fake or real and see if it's hiding under a leaf or something like that. I had the same thing happen a few months back and found a dead cory under one of my fake plants, took me a few days to find it. Amber Alina wrote: > > > > Hi Lenny, > > Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem > levels are normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have > two snails that died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously > disappeared and I was left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as > you mention, that there would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but > I never found it. I did remove (just move the decor) and vacummed > under the decor, and I looked for the bodies ...I assumed the other > fish go to them first...but again, both just disappeared and I never > found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water is coming out pretty > clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a day for fear of > starting the cycle over. > > It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and > alarming to me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my > filters now and had been having no problems for months and months. > > I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my > intake, and it's clear. > > One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found > that carcass. > > Should I stop water changes now? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than > your > > nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe hidden > in a > > decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the > > smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it > stinks to > > high Heaven, then it's dead. > > > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to move > > decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be > > surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during normal > > tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is it > > getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also > for pH? > > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of > 0.25ppm > > means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for > ammonia > > and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving unusual > > results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out what is > > going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always a > good > > thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, > PWC's are > > not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary > measure. > > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > proper > > solution. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Alina > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started > experiencing a > > spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as > something a > > little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a > > day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. > Now, about > > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty > water a > > week prior to this. > > > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a > couple of > > snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not > > overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, > keeping my old > > one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra > > filtering would help... > > > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > anything...just > > regular water with the detox solution. > > > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were > working and > > clear. > > > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, > in the > > event the water company has done some additions......appears to be > the usual > > parameters > > > > > > What else might be going on? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alina > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" > on the > > home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39283	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Huh? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > \\Steve// >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39284	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

OK. Only because I've seen this many times over the years.... double check your testing procedures. Take a peek at the instruction book to make sure you are testing properly. Make sure you are shaking the bottles for at least 10-30 seconds.. even if it doesn't say to do this. If you are doing all testing properly, get a second opinion. Take a sample of your water to your LFS or pet store and have them confirm your results... just to make sure your ammonia test reagents didn't go bad or get contaminated somehow. You cannot start the cycle over again by doing PWC's... not as long as you are treating the incoming water with a dechlor product. Now that's the next thing to look at. What dechlor are you using? How old is it? Could it have gone bad so you are not dechloring the water and then the chloramine/chlorine is adversely affecting your nitrifying bacteria? This could also have been the cause of the demise of two of your snails. Do you have any idea why they died? As far as the carcasses disappearing, yes, fish will eat the snail after it's dead since when they die, the trap-door (operculum) does not close so fish could pick at it. I've never had fish that picked one clean though. Normally, I would notice a Mystery snail being picked on... whether alive or dead. For small fish like yours, it would take quite a while for them to pick a Mystery Snail clean. A Mystery snail has a LOT of body mass compared to the little nuisance snails that we sometimes have. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alina Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? Hi Lenny, Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a day for fear of starting the cycle over. It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and had been having no problems for months and months. I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my intake, and it's clear. One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that carcass. Should I stop water changes now? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmmm. > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than > your nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe > hidden in a decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all > moving? Do the smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail > but if it stinks to high Heaven, then it's dead. > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to > move decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll > be surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during > normal tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is > it getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for pH? > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of > 0.25ppm means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at > 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test > results giving unusual results, it's time to do a full battery of > tests and figure out what is going wrong before it gets bad. While > doing PWC's is almost always a good thing, in an established tank that > is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's are not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary measure. > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > proper solution. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Alina > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > Hi > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started > experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started > out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial > water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of > keeping it under check. Now, about > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty > water a week prior to this. > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a > couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish > tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping > my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps > the extra filtering would help... > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > anything...just regular water with the detox solution. > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were > working and clear. > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, > in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to > be the usual parameters > > > What else might be going on? > > Thanks > > Alina

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39285	From: Kelly	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: a few things that I am curious about.

Sounds luxurious compared to the nips I get from my Clownfish when I put my arms in the tank! Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: 12 April 2009 00:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. all I know is the guppies are healthy and it actually feels good. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. There's not really much to worry about. While there is at least one fish disease that I know of, Fish TB (but not the same as Human TB), that can infect an open wound of a human, Fish TB is very rare. As far as I know, any other fish diseases are not transferrable to humans... except maybe "Starving Goldfish Syndrome", which would make you hang around the windows at restaurants, fast food outlets, bakeries and donut shops, doing the happy I-want-food dance while begging for a handout. ;-) Just like in the rest of the animal kingdom, most pathogens are limited to the species in which they infect... although there are occasional crossover pathogens or a pathogen that another species might carry but not actually get infected with.... Typhoid Mary-like. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am=2 0curious about. Be careful with the sore because if any bacteria from the fish gets into it you could have problems Same goes for the fish, if they nibble on it and you have infection you might hurt the fish Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> Sent: 11 avril 2009 13:50 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] a few things that I am curious about. I was doing a weekly pwc on my 30 gal tank and every time I do one The guppies surround my harm as I am vacuuming the gravel and nibble at my arm. its like they are eating bugs etc off of my arm. I have a sore that they were concentrating on today. It doesn't seem to bother them. Has any one else had this happen? I think it is good just feels funny at times. Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39286	From: Troy	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

"ID 10 T" error = idiot From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Huh? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" <crowstarwalker@... <mailto:crowstarwalker%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > \\Steve// > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39287	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

D'oh! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@...> "ID 10 T" error = idiot From: Menagerie_Manager Huh? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" <mailto:crowstarwalker%40yahoo.com> > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39288	From: red-eye	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?

I like em with butter & garlic <EG> but not in my tank! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:16 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] For Len, a dead Mystery Snail? Len, Your description was flawless! Thats hows comes I don't puts 'em in there! <grin> Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39289	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: For Len, a dead Mystery Snail?

Mystery Snails are fine in a tank as long as they are alive. They live for quite a while and do a good job as part of a clean up crew. They eat algae off the glass... albeit, not as good as a suckermouth catfish. They also eat any missed food that makes it to the bottom and some snails are smart enough to climb up to the water line and put their arm out so that as floating flakes come swirling by, they'll scoop them in and eat them just like the fish. For more info on their care... http://www.AppleSnail.net They basically need the same care as their larger cousin, the Apple Snail. Some species of the Apple Snail family can grow to the size of a baseball. Mystery Snails stay much smaller... usually around 1.5" to 2" diameter although I've heard of larger ones. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] For Len, a dead Mystery Snail? I like em with butter & garlic <EG> but not in my tank! Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:16 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] For Len, a dead Mystery Snail? Len, Your description was flawless! Thats hows comes I don't puts 'em in there! <grin> Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39290	From: Alina	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Well, I must have been channeling you this weekend. I was thinking my dechlor didn't work and someone had hidden a body without telling me about it! I did not, however, check whether my testing chems are working...I will give that another thought. I too was surprised to find the floating shell of the snails thinking no way could the body been picked clean by my smallish fish. I do have two golden dojo loaches though they are snail safe..but hey..I thought maybe they ate them. I have moved things around and sucked under all sorts of things....I have found no bodies anywhere. The snails were both small, maybe the size of a quarter, so you're not talking the big tennis ball sized snails. Now for my dechlor..I use Prime. Brand new bottle. I tested my water after I added the dechlor (in the bucket) and it tested at 0 for ammo. So that appears to be working. The two snails died with somewhat thin, pocked shells. My first and oldest snail is alive and well and these two were in the tank maybe 2 months, so were fairly new. My oldest does not have any shell issues and is doing fine. I assumed the snails had had some water quality issues at the LFS and so perhaps their early demise. They were not long with me, and my ph levels are at a good level for their shell needs. Now, I am giving my fish frozen pellets once or twice a week, and those things make a mess, but with bottom feeders I thought that might help keep the tank clean in between my weekly PWC. Still, if it was overfeeding, the removal of detritus as I have been doing should have eased the levels some. Now one other thing happened in the past 6 weeks..one of the guppies apparently gave birth and well, not being as experienced as some of you, the babies were soon food for the adults in the tank. I know this because I saw one tiny one swimming only to be gulped by one of the swordfish...and I saw no more fry after that... So what I did was not feed them for two days because I thought they had all indulged overnight on the fry...anyway, there were no signs of any babies after that and I did do PWC in between... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > OK. Only because I've seen this many times over the years.... double check > your testing procedures. Take a peek at the instruction book to make sure > you are testing properly. Make sure you are shaking the bottles for at > least 10-30 seconds.. even if it doesn't say to do this. > > If you are doing all testing properly, get a second opinion. Take a sample > of your water to your LFS or pet store and have them confirm your results... > just to make sure your ammonia test reagents didn't go bad or get > contaminated somehow. > > You cannot start the cycle over again by doing PWC's... not as long as you > are treating the incoming water with a dechlor product. Now that's the next > thing to look at. What dechlor are you using? How old is it? Could it > have gone bad so you are not dechloring the water and then the > chloramine/chlorine is adversely affecting your nitrifying bacteria? This > could also have been the cause of the demise of two of your snails. Do you > have any idea why they died? > > As far as the carcasses disappearing, yes, fish will eat the snail after > it's dead since when they die, the trap-door (operculum) does not close so > fish could pick at it. I've never had fish that picked one clean though. > Normally, I would notice a Mystery snail being picked on... whether alive or > dead. For small fish like yours, it would take quite a while for them to > pick a Mystery Snail clean. A Mystery snail has a LOT of body mass compared > to the little nuisance snails that we sometimes have. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Alina > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > Hi Lenny, > > Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are > normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that > died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was > left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there > would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did > remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for > the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both > just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water > is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a > day for fear of starting the cycle over. > > It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to > me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and > had been having no problems for months and months. > > I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my > intake, and it's clear. > > One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that > carcass. > > Should I stop water changes now? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than > > your nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe > > hidden in a decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all > > moving? Do the smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail > > but if it stinks to high Heaven, then it's dead. > > > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to > > move decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll > > be surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during > > normal tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is > > it getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for > pH? > > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of > > 0.25ppm means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at > > 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test > > results giving unusual results, it's time to do a full battery of > > tests and figure out what is going wrong before it gets bad. While > > doing PWC's is almost always a good thing, in an established tank that > > is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's are not the permanent solution, > although they may help as a temporary measure. > > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > > proper solution. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Alina > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started > > experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started > > out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial > > water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of > > keeping it under check. Now, about > > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty > > water a week prior to this. > > > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a > > couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish > > tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping > > my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps > > the extra filtering would help... > > > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > > anything...just regular water with the detox solution. > > > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were > > working and clear. > > > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, > > in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to > > be the usual parameters > > > > > > What else might be going on? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alina >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39291	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Have you verified that all of your fish are living? Have you fed anything different? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alina" <alambiet@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? Hi I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, about 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water a week prior to this. Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra filtering would help... Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or anything...just regular water with the detox solution. In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working and clear. I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the usual parameters What else might be going on? Thanks Alina ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39292	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Ick. Must be a matter of preference. :) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish company, > and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) hehe > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: >> >> >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed out >> pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's >> >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 glofish >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, >> they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My LFS got >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me >> have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My >> danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big >> change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for them. >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should >> be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more >> cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having >> 5 of them rather than 3. >> >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm >> curious just how purple they get ;) >> I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to >> order purple fish, LOL >> >> Amber >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >> >> If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, >> you >> can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on >> the >> home page. >> >> Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, >> which >> includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email >> >> Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option >> where >> you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. >> >> Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual >> e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39293	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Silly question, maybe, but did you also check the bottom of the filter compartment itself? I've seen guck build up there. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alina" <alambiet@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? Hi Lenny, Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a day for fear of starting the cycle over. It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and had been having no problems for months and months. I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my intake, and it's clear. One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that carcass. Should I stop water changes now? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmmm. > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than your > nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe hidden in a > decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the > smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it stinks to > high Heaven, then it's dead. > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to move > decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be > surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during normal > tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is it > getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for > pH? > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of 0.25ppm > means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for > ammonia > and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving unusual > results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out what is > going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always a good > thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's > are > not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary measure. > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > proper > solution. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Alina > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > Hi > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing > a > spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a > little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a > day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, > about > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water > a > week prior to this. > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of > snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not > overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my > old > one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra > filtering would help... > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > anything...just > regular water with the detox solution. > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working > and > clear. > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in > the > event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the > usual > parameters > > > What else might be going on? > > Thanks > > Alina > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39294	From: gail	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick - UPDATE

Okay, just an update and an elaboration. My Tiger barbs are as big as a 50-cent piece or smaller - one it that big, the rest are of varied smaller sizes.   For now, I have broken up my 55 gallon of overcrowded fishies. I set up my 10 gallon to dispurse some of them. So far, it only has what I could catch: 1 Molly 1" 1 Black skirt tetra 1" 1 Gourami 2" 2 Rosy Barbs 2" 1 Gold Striped catfish 3" 1 Emerald Cory 2"   (the Gold striped catfish or Raphael catfish came from my Cichlid tank; I think she was having conflict with my pleco over food too often) I did put my small female convict in my 20 gallon. I still have the following in my 55 gallon: 1 Pleco 1 Blood Parrot 2 Bala Sharks 1 Gourami (this was the sick one, who is doing better after being in a hospital tank with clean water & aquarium salt for a week or two) 1 Red Jewel 1 Gold Severum 6 Tiger Barbs 2 Black skirt Tetras 2 Rosy Barbs 1 Oto 1 Emerald Cory Catfish 1 Pictus Catfish   I am going to try to catch the Rosy barbs, Black skirts, and the other cory for transfer to other tanks and reserve the 55 gallon for the big fish & the school of Tiger Barbs.   Do you think this will work? Or do I already have too many in the 10 gallon?   thanks, gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39295	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

More usually it is a PICNIC error. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's > > > even > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating > > > system has > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's > > > have > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up > > > their > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see > > > similar > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the > > > chair.. > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little > > > about > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > over-protect > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > traveling the > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world > > > without > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any > > > other > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > computers to > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, > > > whose > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? > > > Would > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who > > > left > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would > > > then > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and > > > Pro > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > han_ > > > > mac_os.html > > > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much > > > larger > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality > > > of > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > > > etc., > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL > > > see more > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version > > > of > > > > Vista. > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kelly > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going > > > back to > > > > XP > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not > > > install > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > > > XP, > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with > > > it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > > > my > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just > > > use it > > > > to > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, > > > using > > > > the > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > > > done much > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > > > > software > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > > > major > > > > new > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > > > pigs > > > > to > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the > > > bugs.. > > > > then > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > > > major > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > religiously > > > > is my > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or > > > if > > > > there > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > saying... "If > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > > > haven't > > > > seen > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When > > > a > > > > new > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > > > > virtual > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade > > > right > > > > away. > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > > > to > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up > > > that > > > > fast. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > Internet > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > Features > > > > box. > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > competition > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > > > be > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but > > > maybe > > > > not. > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to > > > my > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > but I > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > > > done > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a > > > check > > > > mark in > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What > > > is > > > > your > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components > > > section > > > > that > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that > > > if > > > > you > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > > > through > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I > > > know, > > > > you > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > > > liked > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > > > other > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > > > > I'm > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > > > > in > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I > > > just > > > > found > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in > > > the > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > > > it > > > > will > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully > > > you > > > > at > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > \\Steve// > > > > can > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > > > > add/remove > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > > > until > > > > I've > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my > > > current > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > security > > > > risk. > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > > > > same with > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > > > 8 are > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > > > file in > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > gotten > > > > the > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > > > I > > > > had gone > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > service, > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy > > > of > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > > > install > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > > > work, > > > > if > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > > > downloaded > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have > > > been a > > > > number > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > > > > backup of > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely > > > need > > > > to have > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > > > problems > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > > > > fact > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > > > work > > > > and > > > > > won't > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > > > > my > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > > > > take > > > > > a > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > > > > computer, > > > > > using > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the > > > home > > > > > page of > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > > > > Tour > > > > > page > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I > > > wonder > > > > if > > > > > it > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > trying to > > > > > add on > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show > > > up > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > > > > that > > > > > to > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39296	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I'll bite. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) More usually it is a PICNIC error. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's > > > even > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating > > > system has > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's > > > have > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up > > > their > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see > > > similar > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the > > > chair.. > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little > > > about > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > over-protect > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > traveling the > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world > > > without > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any > > > other > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > computers to > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, > > > whose > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? > > > Would > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who > > > left > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would > > > then > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and > > > Pro > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > han_ > > > > mac_os.html > > > > http://blogs. <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much > > > larger > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality > > > of > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > > > etc., > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL > > > see more > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version > > > of > > > > Vista. > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kelly > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going > > > back to > > > > XP > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not > > > install > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > > > XP, > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with > > > it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > > > my > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just > > > use it > > > > to > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, > > > using > > > > the > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > > > done much > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > > > > software > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > > > major > > > > new > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > > > pigs > > > > to > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the > > > bugs.. > > > > then > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > > > major > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > religiously > > > > is my > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or > > > if > > > > there > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > saying... "If > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > > > haven't > > > > seen > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When > > > a > > > > new > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > > > > virtual > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade > > > right > > > > away. > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > > > to > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up > > > that > > > > fast. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > Internet > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > Features > > > > box. > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > competition > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > > > be > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but > > > maybe > > > > not. > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to > > > my > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > but I > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > > > done > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a > > > check > > > > mark in > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What > > > is > > > > your > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components > > > section > > > > that > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that > > > if > > > > you > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > > > through > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I > > > know, > > > > you > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > > > liked > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > > > other > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > > > > I'm > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > > > > in > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I > > > just > > > > found > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in > > > the > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > > > it > > > > will > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully > > > you > > > > at > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > \\Steve// > > > > can > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > > > > add/remove > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > > > until > > > > I've > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my > > > current > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > security > > > > risk. > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > > > > same with > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > > > 8 are > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > > > file in > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > gotten > > > > the > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > > > I > > > > had gone > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > service, > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy > > > of > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > > > install > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > > > work, > > > > if > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > > > downloaded > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have > > > been a > > > > number > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > > > > backup of > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely > > > need > > > > to have > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > > > problems > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > > > > fact > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > > > work > > > > and > > > > > won't > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > > > > my > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm about to > > > > take > > > > > a > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on my > > > > computer, > > > > > using > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on the > > > home > > > > > page of > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & Virtual > > > > Tour > > > > > page > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. I > > > wonder > > > > if > > > > > it > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > trying to > > > > > add on > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column show > > > up > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll leave > > > > that > > > > > to > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of herring. LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Ick. > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish company, > > and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) hehe > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed out > >> pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > >> > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > glofish > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, > >> they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My > LFS got > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me > >> have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My > >> danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big > >> change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for > them. > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should > >> be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more > >> cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > >> > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39298	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick - UPDATE

Gail, You are already overcrowded in the 10 gallon tank. You are going to have to sit down for a bit and think this out. If you were to get a 30 gallon tank, you could put your gouramis and corys in there, and have room enough to add a few more corys to the mix to reach their comfort level. I am not sure what it is that you mean by red jewel, but, if it is _Hemichromis bimaculatus_, you'll need another tank of about 50+ gallons, where you can house him, and a possible mate, along with your pleco (which may out grow that tank), and maybe your pictus. The bala sharks will need at least a 220 gallon tank for themselves, but you may be able to place the severum with them for the time being. I'll let you figure out the rest. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > gail > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Strange, Only my Gouramis are getting sick - UPDATE > > Okay, just an update and an elaboration. My Tiger barbs are as big as a 50-cent piece or > smaller - one it that big, the rest are of varied smaller sizes. > > For now, I have broken up my 55 gallon of overcrowded fishies. I set up my 10 gallon to > dispurse some of them. So far, it only has what I could catch: > 1 Molly 1" > 1 Black skirt tetra 1" > 1 Gourami 2" > 2 Rosy Barbs 2" > 1 Gold Striped catfish 3" > 1 Emerald Cory 2" > > (the Gold striped catfish or Raphael catfish came from my Cichlid tank; I think she was > having conflict with my pleco over food too often) I did put my small female convict in my 20 > gallon. > I still have the following in my 55 gallon: > 1 Pleco > 1 Blood Parrot > 2 Bala Sharks > 1 Gourami (this was the sick one, who is doing better after being in a hospital tank with clean > water & aquarium salt for a week or two) > 1 Red Jewel > 1 Gold Severum > 6 Tiger Barbs > 2 Black skirt Tetras > 2 Rosy Barbs > 1 Oto > 1 Emerald Cory Catfish > 1 Pictus Catfish > > I am going to try to catch the Rosy barbs, Black skirts, and the other cory for transfer to > other tanks and reserve the 55 gallon for the big fish & the school of Tiger Barbs. > > Do you think this will work? Or do I already have too many in the 10 gallon? > > thanks, > gail > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39299	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'll bite. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > presuming > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > some > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > I know > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > That's > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > corporations, > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > secure our > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > them become > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > to pwn a > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > all over for > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > would need > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > security > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > software) are > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > (and > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > before it's > > > > even > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > Windows > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > computer > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > operating > > > > system has > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > configuration of > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > PC's > > > > have > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > up > > > > their > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > see > > > > similar > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > problems, > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > the > > > > chair.. > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > little > > > > about > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > over-protect > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > traveling the > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > world > > > > without > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > with any > > > > other > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > computers to > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > 24/7, > > > > whose > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > etc.? > > > > Would > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > person who > > > > left > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > would > > > > then > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > from the > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > and > > > > Pro > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > han_ > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > http://blogs. > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > much > > > > larger > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > mentality > > > > of > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > this on > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > Explorer, > > > > etc., > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > WILL > > > > see more > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > version > > > > of > > > > > Vista. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > going > > > > back to > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > being > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > not > > > > install > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > with a > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > works on > > > > XP, > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > with > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > I've only > > > > > my > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > just > > > > use it > > > > > to > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > streets, > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > haven't > > > > > done much > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > security > > > > > software > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > to > > > > major > > > > > new > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > guinea > > > > pigs > > > > > to > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > the > > > > bugs.. > > > > > then > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > EVERY > > > > > major > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > religiously > > > > > is my > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > needed or > > > > if > > > > > there > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > I > > > > haven't > > > > > seen > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > When > > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > just a > > > > > virtual > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > upgrade > > > > right > > > > > away. > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > I'll BRB > > > > to > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > booted up > > > > that > > > > > fast. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > Internet > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > Features > > > > > box. > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > competition > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > couldn't > > > > be > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > but > > > > maybe > > > > > not. > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > back to > > > > my > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > but I > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > when I'm > > > > > done > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > a > > > > check > > > > > mark in > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > computer). What > > > > is > > > > > your > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > call it > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > Components > > > > section > > > > > that > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > that > > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > you > > > > through > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > I > > > > know, > > > > > you > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > I > > > > liked > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > use > > > > other > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > to > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > though, so > > > > > I'm > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > subfolder > > > > > in > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > I > > > > just > > > > > found > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > listed in > > > > the > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > of > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > believe > > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > hopefully > > > > you > > > > > at > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > can > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > of > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > programs > > > > until > > > > > I've > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > my > > > > current > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > security > > > > > risk. > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > IE8... > > > > > same with > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > IE7 or > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > Uninstall.exe > > > > > file in > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > gotten > > > > > the > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > wonder if > > > > I > > > > > had gone > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > service, > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > a copy > > > > of > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > the > > > > install > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > go to > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > will > > > > work, > > > > > if > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > just > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > have > > > > been a > > > > > number > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > good > > > > > backup of > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > absolutely > > > > need > > > > > to have > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > the > > > > > problems > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > doesn't > > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > sent to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > about to > > > > > take > > > > > > a > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > my > > > > > computer, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > the > > > > home > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > Virtual > > > > > Tour > > > > > > page > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > I > > > > wonder > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > trying to > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > show > > > > up > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > leave > > > > > that > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39300	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

From the photos I saw on the web of them, they look like they have some really interesting coloration. All too often, photos fail to tell the whole story of fish coloration. Iridescence never shows in photos. While you may see what is known as spangling (mainly in cichlids) in photos, they are not shown to best, or any, advantage. Pastel colors usually do not show as they do in real life. And the list goes on. The best photos can do is to give you an idea of what the fish looks like. Then, of course, you do have the variable of lighting in the aquarium. Different lights have different color in the light they throw. If one knows the CRI of a particular bulb, you can get an idea as to how close it is to sunlight. Most bulbs made for aquarium use are slanted to the amount of light they have in parts of the color spectrum. While this will make some fish look spectacular, it doesn't do much for others. So, it is very easy for Dora's bland fish to be Amber's spectacular fish. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more > colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me > of herring. LOL > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Ick. > > > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish company, > > > and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) hehe > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed out > > >> pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > > >> > > >> Yours, > > >> Dora Smith > > >> Austin, TX > > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > >> > > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > > glofish > > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school with, > > >> they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. My > > LFS got > > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple made me > > >> have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) LOL. My > > >> danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer hiding, big > > >> change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more danio's for > > them. > > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they should > > >> be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a couple more > > >> cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) they like having > > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > > >> > > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > > >> curious just how purple they get ;) > > >> I think my LFS ordered them on purpose, after my hubby told them not to > > >> order purple fish, LOL > > >> > > >> Amber > > >>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39301	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Here's the answer to PICNIC and a few other funnies. ;-) http://www.usewisdom.com/fun/computer.html PICNIC is third one down. In computer forums, I've been using BBITC instead of PICNIC. I was tempted to use BITC but was worried I might offend someone who thought I left off the H. LOL BBITC stands for Big Butt In The Chair. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I'll bite. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) More usually it is a PICNIC error. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm presuming > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for some > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and I know > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. That's > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big corporations, > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still secure our > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have them become > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds to pwn a > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is all over for > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, would need > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice security > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and software) are > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems (and > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 before it's > > > even > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with Windows > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of computer > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the operating > > > system has > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited configuration of > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that PC's > > > have > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open up > > > their > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll see > > > similar > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer problems, > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in the > > > chair.. > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a little > > > about > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > over-protect > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > traveling the > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the world > > > without > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that with any > > > other > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > computers to > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running 24/7, > > > whose > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, etc.? > > > Would > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the person who > > > left > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us would > > > then > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves from the > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP and > > > Pro > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > han_ > > > > mac_os.html > > > > http://blogs. <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a much > > > larger > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath mentality > > > of > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept this on > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet Explorer, > > > etc., > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they WILL > > > see more > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated version > > > of > > > > Vista. > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kelly > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up going > > > back to > > > > XP > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not being > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either not > > > install > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further with a > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It works on > > > XP, > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done with > > > it. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. I've only > > > > my > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly just > > > use it > > > > to > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the streets, > > > using > > > > the > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I haven't > > > > done much > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred security > > > > software > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade to > > > major > > > > new > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other guinea > > > pigs > > > > to > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all the > > > bugs.. > > > > then > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly EVERY > > > > major > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > religiously > > > > is my > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as needed or > > > if > > > > there > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > saying... "If > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and I > > > haven't > > > > seen > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. When > > > a > > > > new > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not just a > > > > virtual > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me upgrade > > > right > > > > away. > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. I'll BRB > > > to > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be booted up > > > that > > > > fast. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > Internet > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > Features > > > > box. > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > competition > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it couldn't > > > be > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. but > > > maybe > > > > not. > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go back to > > > my > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > but I > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online when I'm > > > > done > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with a > > > check > > > > mark in > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP computer). What > > > is > > > > your > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not call it > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows Components > > > section > > > > that > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, that > > > if > > > > you > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk you > > > through > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as I > > > know, > > > > you > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but I > > > liked > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not use > > > other > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able to > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, though, so > > > > I'm > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and subfolder > > > > in > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think I > > > just > > > > found > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are listed in > > > the > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side of > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I believe > > > it > > > > will > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... hopefully > > > you > > > > at > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > \\Steve// > > > > can > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part of > > > > add/remove > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG programs > > > until > > > > I've > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless my > > > current > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > security > > > > risk. > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering IE8... > > > > same with > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither IE7 or > > > > 8 are > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an Uninstall.exe > > > > file in > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > gotten > > > > the > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd wonder if > > > I > > > > had gone > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > service, > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got a copy > > > of > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download the > > > install > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can go to > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This will > > > work, > > > > if > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you just > > > > downloaded > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another location. > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There have > > > been a > > > > number > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a good > > > > backup of > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you absolutely > > > need > > > > to have > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for the > > > > problems > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to the > > > > > fact > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it doesn't > > > work > > > > and > > > > > won't > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish sent to > > > > > my > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39302	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Maybe it's that Motown and Do-Wop music you have playing. Oh wait.. that would be shimmying, not shimmer. ;-) LOL.. I decided to look on YouTube for a ShimmyTube and found this cute one. The first minute is a commercial for the dance studio so just push the slider to the 1 minute mark. Is that Amber a few years ago??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of herring. LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Ick. > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish > > company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) > > hehe > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed > >> out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > >> > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > glofish > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school > >> with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. > >> My > LFS got > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple > >> made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) > >> LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer > >> hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more > >> danio's for > them. > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they > >> should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a > >> couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) > >> they like having > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > >> > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > >> curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on > >> purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > >> > >> Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39303	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Hi Steve!   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.    I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!   Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'll bite. > > > >   _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > presuming > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > some > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > I know > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > That's > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > corporations, > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > secure our > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > them become > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > to pwn a > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > all over for > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > would need > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > security > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > software) are > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > (and > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > before it's > > > > even > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > Windows > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > computer > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > operating > > > > system has > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > configuration of > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > PC's > > > > have > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > up > > > > their > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > see > > > > similar > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > problems, > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > the > > > > chair.. > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > little > > > > about > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > over-protect > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > traveling the > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > world > > > > without > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > with any > > > > other > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > computers to > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > 24/7, > > > > whose > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > etc.? > > > > Would > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > person who > > > > left > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > would > > > > then > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > from the > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > and > > > > Pro > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > han_ > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > http://blogs. > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > much > > > > larger > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > mentality > > > > of > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > this on > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > Explorer, > > > > etc., > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > WILL > > > > see more > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > version > > > > of > > > > > Vista. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > going > > > > back to > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > being > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > not > > > > install > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > with a > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > works on > > > > XP, > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > with > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > I've only > > > > > my > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > just > > > > use it > > > > > to > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > streets, > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > haven't > > > > > done much > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > security > > > > > software > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > to > > > > major > > > > > new > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > guinea > > > > pigs > > > > > to > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > the > > > > bugs.. > > > > > then > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > EVERY > > > > > major > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > religiously > > > > > is my > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > needed or > > > > if > > > > > there > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > I > > > > haven't > > > > > seen > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > When > > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > just a > > > > > virtual > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > upgrade > > > > right > > > > > away. > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > I'll BRB > > > > to > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > booted up > > > > that > > > > > fast. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > Internet > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > Features > > > > > box. > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > competition > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > couldn't > > > > be > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > but > > > > maybe > > > > > not. > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > back to > > > > my > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > but I > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > when I'm > > > > > done > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > a > > > > check > > > > > mark in > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > computer). What > > > > is > > > > > your > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > call it > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > Components > > > > section > > > > > that > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > that > > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > you > > > > through > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > I > > > > know, > > > > > you > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > I > > > > liked > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > use > > > > other > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > to > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > though, so > > > > > I'm > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > subfolder > > > > > in > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > I > > > > just > > > > > found > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > listed in > > > > the > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > of > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > believe > > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > hopefully > > > > you > > > > > at > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > can > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > of > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > programs > > > > until > > > > > I've > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > my > > > > current > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > security > > > > > risk. > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > IE8... > > > > > same with > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > IE7 or > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > Uninstall.exe > > > > > file in > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > gotten > > > > > the > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > wonder if > > > > I > > > > > had gone > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > service, > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > a copy > > > > of > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > the > > > > install > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > go to > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > will > > > > work, > > > > > if > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > just > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > have > > > > been a > > > > > number > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > good > > > > > backup of > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > absolutely > > > > need > > > > > to have > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > the > > > > > problems > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > doesn't > > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > sent to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > about to > > > > > take > > > > > > a > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > my > > > > > computer, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > the > > > > home > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > Virtual > > > > > Tour > > > > > > page > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > I > > > > wonder > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > trying to > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > show > > > > up > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > leave > > > > > that > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39304	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

LOL, no that's not me a few years ago ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Maybe it's that Motown and Do-Wop music you have playing. Oh wait.. that > would be shimmying, not shimmer. ;-) > > LOL.. I decided to look on YouTube for a ShimmyTube and found this > cute one. > The first minute is a commercial for the dance studio so just push the > slider to the 1 minute mark. Is that Amber a few years ago??? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more > colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of > herring. LOL > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Ick. > > > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish > > > company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) > > > hehe > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed > > >> out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > > >> > > >> Yours, > > >> Dora Smith > > >> Austin, TX > > >> tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > >> > > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > > glofish > > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school > > >> with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. > > >> My > > LFS got > > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple > > >> made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) > > >> LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer > > >> hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more > > >> danio's for > > them. > > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they > > >> should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a > > >> couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) > > >> they like having > > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > > >> > > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > > >> curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on > > >> purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > > >> > > >> Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39305	From: red-eye	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack

Anyone see that amazing footage of a woman jumping into a polar bear enclosure? She is one lucky lady to be alive. Looked like the bear took at least one chuck out of her butt & sunk his teeth a few times :-( bites.OUCH! Sadly she is mentally challenged. I wish her a speedy recovery. My own daughter has her own set of mental challenges. Hard for most of us to relate - give it a shot & have some empathy. It is not there fault that they have challenges - they need help - daily. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Maybe it's that Motown and Do-Wop music you have playing. Oh wait.. that would be shimmying, not shimmer. ;-) LOL.. I decided to look on YouTube for a ShimmyTube and found this cute one. The first minute is a commercial for the dance studio so just push the slider to the 1 minute mark. Is that Amber a few years ago??? http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related> com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of herring. LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Ick. > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish > > company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) > > hehe > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed > >> out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > >> > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > glofish > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school > >> with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. > >> My > LFS got > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple > >> made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) > >> LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer > >> hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more > >> danio's for > them. > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they > >> should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a > >> couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) > >> they like having > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > >> > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > >> curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on > >> purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > >> > >> Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39306	From: Byron	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

I have followed this thread and note that Lenny asked about water parameters but I didn't see a response giving the pH. Can you tell us what is the pH of the water in the tank? And what is the pH of your tap water that you use for partial water changes. And lastly, does the tap water have an ammonia reading straight out of the tap, before you condition it? Depending upon your answers, I may have an idea on this. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alina" <alambiet@...> wrote: > > Well, > > I must have been channeling you this weekend. I was thinking my dechlor didn't work and someone had hidden a body without telling me about it! > > I did not, however, check whether my testing chems are working...I will give that another thought. > > I too was surprised to find the floating shell of the snails thinking no way could the body been picked clean by my smallish fish. I do have two golden dojo loaches though they are snail safe..but hey..I thought maybe they ate them. I have moved things around and sucked under all sorts of things....I have found no bodies anywhere. The snails were both small, maybe the size of a quarter, so you're not talking the big tennis ball sized snails. > > Now for my dechlor..I use Prime. Brand new bottle. I tested my water after I added the dechlor (in the bucket) and it tested at 0 for ammo. So that appears to be working. > > The two snails died with somewhat thin, pocked shells. My first and oldest snail is alive and well and these two were in the tank maybe 2 months, so were fairly new. My oldest does not have any shell issues and is doing fine. I assumed the snails had had some water quality issues at the LFS and so perhaps their early demise. They were not long with me, and my ph levels are at a good level for their shell needs. > > Now, I am giving my fish frozen pellets once or twice a week, and those things make a mess, but with bottom feeders I thought that might help keep the tank clean in between my weekly PWC. > > Still, if it was overfeeding, the removal of detritus as I have been doing should have eased the levels some. > > Now one other thing happened in the past 6 weeks..one of the guppies apparently gave birth and well, not being as experienced as some of you, the babies were soon food for the adults in the tank. I know this because I saw one tiny one swimming only to be gulped by one of the swordfish...and I saw no more fry after that... So what I did was not feed them for two days because I thought they had all indulged overnight on the fry...anyway, there were no signs of any babies after that and I did do PWC in between... > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > OK. Only because I've seen this many times over the years.... double check > > your testing procedures. Take a peek at the instruction book to make sure > > you are testing properly. Make sure you are shaking the bottles for at > > least 10-30 seconds.. even if it doesn't say to do this. > > > > If you are doing all testing properly, get a second opinion. Take a sample > > of your water to your LFS or pet store and have them confirm your results... > > just to make sure your ammonia test reagents didn't go bad or get > > contaminated somehow. > > > > You cannot start the cycle over again by doing PWC's... not as long as you > > are treating the incoming water with a dechlor product. Now that's the next > > thing to look at. What dechlor are you using? How old is it? Could it > > have gone bad so you are not dechloring the water and then the > > chloramine/chlorine is adversely affecting your nitrifying bacteria? This > > could also have been the cause of the demise of two of your snails. Do you > > have any idea why they died? > > > > As far as the carcasses disappearing, yes, fish will eat the snail after > > it's dead since when they die, the trap-door (operculum) does not close so > > fish could pick at it. I've never had fish that picked one clean though. > > Normally, I would notice a Mystery snail being picked on... whether alive or > > dead. For small fish like yours, it would take quite a while for them to > > pick a Mystery Snail clean. A Mystery snail has a LOT of body mass compared > > to the little nuisance snails that we sometimes have. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Alina > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are > > normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that > > died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was > > left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there > > would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did > > remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for > > the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both > > just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water > > is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a > > day for fear of starting the cycle over. > > > > It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to > > me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and > > had been having no problems for months and months. > > > > I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my > > intake, and it's clear. > > > > One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that > > carcass. > > > > Should I stop water changes now? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than > > > your nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe > > > hidden in a decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all > > > moving? Do the smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail > > > but if it stinks to high Heaven, then it's dead. > > > > > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to > > > move decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll > > > be surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during > > > normal tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > > > > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is > > > it getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for > > pH? > > > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > > > > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of > > > 0.25ppm means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at > > > 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test > > > results giving unusual results, it's time to do a full battery of > > > tests and figure out what is going wrong before it gets bad. While > > > doing PWC's is almost always a good thing, in an established tank that > > > is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's are not the permanent solution, > > although they may help as a temporary measure. > > > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > > > proper solution. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Alina > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started > > > experiencing a spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started > > > out as something a little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial > > > water changes, once a day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of > > > keeping it under check. Now, about > > > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > > > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty > > > water a week prior to this. > > > > > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a > > > couple of snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish > > > tropicals..not overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > > > > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping > > > my old one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps > > > the extra filtering would help... > > > > > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > > > anything...just regular water with the detox solution. > > > > > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were > > > working and clear. > > > > > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, > > > in the event the water company has done some additions......appears to > > > be the usual parameters > > > > > > > > > What else might be going on? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Alina > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39307	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'll bite. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > presuming > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > some > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > I know > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > That's > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > corporations, > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > secure our > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > them become > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > to pwn a > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > all over for > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > would need > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > security > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > software) are > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > (and > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > before it's > > > > even > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > Windows > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > computer > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > operating > > > > system has > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > configuration of > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > PC's > > > > have > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > up > > > > their > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > see > > > > similar > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > problems, > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > the > > > > chair.. > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > little > > > > about > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > over-protect > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > traveling the > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > world > > > > without > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > with any > > > > other > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > computers to > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > 24/7, > > > > whose > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > etc.? > > > > Would > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > person who > > > > left > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > would > > > > then > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > from the > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > and > > > > Pro > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > han_ > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > http://blogs. > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > much > > > > larger > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > mentality > > > > of > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > this on > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > Explorer, > > > > etc., > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > WILL > > > > see more > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > version > > > > of > > > > > Vista. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > going > > > > back to > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > being > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > not > > > > install > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > with a > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > works on > > > > XP, > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > with > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > I've only > > > > > my > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > just > > > > use it > > > > > to > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > streets, > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > haven't > > > > > done much > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > security > > > > > software > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > to > > > > major > > > > > new > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > guinea > > > > pigs > > > > > to > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > the > > > > bugs.. > > > > > then > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > EVERY > > > > > major > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > religiously > > > > > is my > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > needed or > > > > if > > > > > there > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > I > > > > haven't > > > > > seen > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > When > > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > just a > > > > > virtual > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > upgrade > > > > right > > > > > away. > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > I'll BRB > > > > to > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > booted up > > > > that > > > > > fast. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > Internet > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > Features > > > > > box. > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > competition > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > couldn't > > > > be > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > but > > > > maybe > > > > > not. > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > back to > > > > my > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > but I > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > when I'm > > > > > done > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > a > > > > check > > > > > mark in > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > computer). What > > > > is > > > > > your > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > call it > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > Components > > > > section > > > > > that > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > that > > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > you > > > > through > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > I > > > > know, > > > > > you > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > I > > > > liked > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > use > > > > other > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > to > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > though, so > > > > > I'm > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > subfolder > > > > > in > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > I > > > > just > > > > > found > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > listed in > > > > the > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > of > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > believe > > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > hopefully > > > > you > > > > > at > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > can > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > of > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > programs > > > > until > > > > > I've > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > my > > > > current > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > security > > > > > risk. > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > IE8... > > > > > same with > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > IE7 or > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > Uninstall.exe > > > > > file in > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > gotten > > > > > the > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > wonder if > > > > I > > > > > had gone > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > service, > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > a copy > > > > of > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > the > > > > install > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > go to > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > will > > > > work, > > > > > if > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > just > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > have > > > > been a > > > > > number > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > good > > > > > backup of > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > absolutely > > > > need > > > > > to have > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > the > > > > > problems > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > doesn't > > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > sent to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > about to > > > > > take > > > > > > a > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > my > > > > > computer, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > the > > > > home > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > Virtual > > > > > Tour > > > > > > page > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > I > > > > wonder > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > trying to > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > show > > > > up > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39308	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year. I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39309	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Thanks Gary   Its a long story but to get to the end, our old one was dying slowly. We thought to upgrade but never dreamed of the headaches!   Don't do it! Shopping now, Dell with XP Pro!  I'll die with it!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:20 AM Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here.   ----- Original Message -----   From: bill1433   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com   Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:51 PM   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   Hi Steve!       That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!       File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers!   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.       Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.        I know, they always say "Never say Never"   but I think its OK to say it for this instance.   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!       Bill   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote:   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com   Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.   \\Steve//   > -----Original Message-----   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of   > Donna Ransome   > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   >   > I'll bite.   >   >   >   >   _____   >   > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On   > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM   > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   > More usually it is a PICNIC error.   >   > \\Steve//   >   > > -----Original Message-----   > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com   > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]   > On Behalf Of ED   > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM   > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com   > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > >   > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO   > >   > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:   > > >   > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term.   > > >   > > > \\Steve//   > > >   > > >   > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]   > On Behalf Of   > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM   > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > >   > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm   > presuming   > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for   > some   > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and   > I know   > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.   > That's   > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big   > corporations,   > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still   > secure our   > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have   > them become   > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the   > hackers/spammers/etc. to   > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds.   > > > >   > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the   > right   > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year,   > Month)   > > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]   > On   > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM   > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > >   > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds   > to pwn a   > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.   > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is   > all over for   > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC,   > would need   > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice   > security   > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice.   > > > >   > > > > \\Steve//   > > > >   > > > >   > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]   > > > > On Behalf Of   > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and   > software) are   > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems   > (and   > > > > > software). ;-)   > > > > >   > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7   > before it's   > > > > even   > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with   > Windows   > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of   > computer   > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the   > operating   > > > > system has   > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited   > configuration of   > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that   > PC's   > > > > have   > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open   > up   > > > > their   > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll   > see   > > > > similar   > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems.   > > > > >   > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer   > problems,   > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in   > the   > > > > chair..   > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a   > little   > > > > about   > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to   > > > > over-protect   > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start   > > > > traveling the   > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the   > world   > > > > without   > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that   > with any   > > > > other   > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare   > > > > computers to   > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running   > 24/7,   > > > > whose   > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged,   > etc.?   > > > > Would   > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the   > person who   > > > > left   > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us   > would   > > > > then   > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves   > from the   > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers!   > > > > >   > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP   > and   > > > > Pro   > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system.   > > > > >   > > > >   > http://www.pcworld.   > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t>   > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t   > > > > han_   > > > > > mac_os.html   > > > > >   > http://blogs.   > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x>   > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x   > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html>   > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html   > > > > >   > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a   > much   > > > > larger   > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath   > mentality   > > > > of   > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept   > this on   > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet   > Explorer,   > > > > etc.,   > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they   > WILL   > > > > see more   > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening!   > > > > >   > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com (Links to any articles   > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the   > > > > right   > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > Month)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]   > > > > On   > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated   > version   > > > > of   > > > > > Vista.   > > > > > Wendie   > > > > >   > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > From: Kelly   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up   > going   > > > > back to   > > > > > XP   > > > > >   > > > > > Kelly   > > > > > xxxxx   > > > > >   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com] On   > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many   > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not   > being   > > > > > upgraded for Vista.   > > > > >   > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either   > not   > > > > install   > > > > > IE or to remove it completely.   > > > > >   > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further   > with a   > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it.   > > > > >   > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It   > works on   > > > > XP,   > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done   > with   > > > > it.   > > > > >   > > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On Behalf Of   > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista.   > I've only   > > > > > my   > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly   > just   > > > > use it   > > > > > to   > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the   > streets,   > > > > using   > > > > > the   > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I   > haven't   > > > > > done much   > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred   > security   > > > > > software   > > > > > > and firewall.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade   > to   > > > > major   > > > > > new   > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other   > guinea   > > > > pigs   > > > > > to   > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all   > the   > > > > bugs..   > > > > > then   > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly   > EVERY   > > > > > major   > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update   > > > > religiously   > > > > > is my   > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as   > needed or   > > > > if   > > > > > there   > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old   > > > > > saying... "If   > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and   > I   > > > > haven't   > > > > > seen   > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet..   > When   > > > > a   > > > > > new   > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not   > just a   > > > > > virtual   > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me   > upgrade   > > > > right   > > > > > away.   > > > > > > ;-) LOL   > > > > > >   > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop.   > I'll BRB   > > > > to   > > > > > > comment further.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be   > booted up   > > > > that   > > > > > fast.   > > > > > > ;-)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of   > > > > Internet   > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows   > > > > Features   > > > > > box.   > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the   > > > > > competition   > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it   > couldn't   > > > > be   > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that..   > but   > > > > maybe   > > > > > not.   > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go   > back to   > > > > my   > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features,"   > > > > > but I   > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online   > when I'm   > > > > > done   > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with   > a   > > > > check   > > > > > mark in   > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP   > computer). What   > > > > is   > > > > > your   > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not   > call it   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows   > Components   > > > > section   > > > > > that   > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details,   > that   > > > > if   > > > > > you   > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk   > you   > > > > through   > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as   > I   > > > > know,   > > > > > you   > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but   > I   > > > > liked   > > > > > IE6 (as   > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not   > use   > > > > other   > > > > > > browsers at present.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able   > to   > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did,   > though, so   > > > > > I'm   > > > > > > pulling it up again.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and   > subfolder   > > > > > in   > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think   > I   > > > > just   > > > > > found   > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >   > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM   > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are   > listed in   > > > > the   > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side   > of   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I   > believe   > > > > it   > > > > > will   > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version...   > hopefully   > > > > you   > > > > > at   > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe   > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > > can   > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part   > of   > > > > > add/remove   > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG   > programs   > > > > until   > > > > > I've   > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless   > my   > > > > current   > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a   > > > > security   > > > > > risk.   > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering   > IE8...   > > > > > same with   > > > > > > Windows 7.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > yahoogroups.com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>   > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Steve,   > > > > > >   > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither   > IE7 or   > > > > > 8 are   > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an   > Uninstall.exe   > > > > > file in   > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't   > > > > gotten   > > > > > the   > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd   > wonder if   > > > > I   > > > > > had gone   > > > > > > to a fake website.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer   > > > > > service,   > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got   > a copy   > > > > of   > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back,   > > > > since.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...   > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Deb,   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download   > the   > > > > install   > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can   > go to   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This   > will   > > > > work,   > > > > > if   > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you   > just   > > > > > downloaded   > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another   > location.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There   > have   > > > > been a   > > > > > number   > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a   > good   > > > > > backup of   > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you   > absolutely   > > > > need   > > > > > to have   > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for   > the   > > > > > problems   > > > > > > occurring.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > > >   > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to   > the   > > > > > > fact   > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it   > doesn't   > > > > work   > > > > > and   > > > > > > won't   > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7.   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish   > sent to   > > > > > > my   > > > > > > > room!   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > DebR,   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm   > about to   > > > > > take   > > > > > > a   > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on   > my   > > > > > computer,   > > > > > > using   > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on   > the   > > > > home   > > > > > > page of   > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo &   > Virtual   > > > > > Tour   > > > > > > page   > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal   > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.>   > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.   > I   > > > > wonder   > > > > > if   > > > > > > it   > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is   > > > > trying to   > > > > > > add on   > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column   > show   > > > > up   > > > > > on   > > > > > > the   > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll   > leave   > > > > > that   > > > > > > to   > > > > > > > the web page designers.   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>   > blogspot.com (Links to any   > articles   > > > >   > > > >   >   >   >   >   >   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]   >   >   >   > ------------------------------------   >   > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You..   > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º>   > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if   > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39310	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here.   ----- Original Message -----   From: bill1433     Hi Steve!   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers!   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.   I know, they always say "Never say Never"   but I think its OK to say it for this instance.   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!   Bill   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote:   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.   \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39311	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here.   ----- Original Message -----   From: bill1433     Hi Steve!   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers!   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.   I know, they always say "Never say Never"   but I think its OK to say it for this instance.   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!   Bill   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote:   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.   \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39312	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

I admit, I had issues with vista 64 bit when I first started using it. It doesn't like gaming the way XP did ;) After getting my hubby to fix my issue (I'm still not sure what it was), everything is now running smoothly. I won't switch back to XP even though I was a big fan of it for years. I've found that vista has a few neat quirks about it, and if you're a gamer it's able to take use of more RAM than XP is, which can make a difference, that was the only reason I thought about upgrading, that and the fact that I got a copy (legal) of vista 64 for free, if I had had to pay then I wouldn't have upgraded most likely ;) LOL. And I blame it all on Kinko's ;) LOL. I've actually never been inside of a Fedex/Kinko's station so I don't know how their internet works, our station is secured and not wireless so we couldn't share with customers even if we wanted to ;) but we also have a closed to the public station (yeah right, people find us anyways ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work > on my > new Dodge Quad-Cab. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting> > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I > wanted/needed > it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection > and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet > internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. > HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I > couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over > some > other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my > work. > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or > maybe it > was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will > certainly be > willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. > > Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in > the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support > to XP > after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended > Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they > will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months > after a > Service Pack is released. > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173> > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport> > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and > have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my > laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping > around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > wrote: > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... > <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year.. I > lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I > didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@... > <mailto:garrywilliams59%40yahoo.co.uk>> > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro > here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bill1433 > Hi Steve! > > That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer > started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! > Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but > useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com>> > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39313	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Ahh thats because Mr Ford ground the end of when you told him you must have a model T in red........ ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year.. I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39314	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Yes Len,   What you say is true BUT on its way out?  How are ya gonna kick something out that runs right!  A peak at Windows 7?  Sure, that's the new program from MS to make you spend more money for another system but guess what?  With Windows 7 they will have all the drivers and compatibles that Vistas does not!  I hear that's how they will be able to make you to buy it! NOT!   Talk about smells?  This one does to high heaven.  No Len, I'm afraid that MS dropped the ball way back with Windows 98 2nd edition.  Now that was an OS!  You had to hit it with a hammer just to slow it down.  If your memory serves, after all that they started going down hill.  More memory to run more add-ons running in the background that you never use.   Here's the latest from Dell, just off the phone with them.  If I order a new XP Pro right now, they cannot even process the order until the 27th of this month!  The sales lady told me that they are that far backed up!  Even MS can't believe it.   Windows XP out the window???  I think not.  Maybe some bright day in 2020.  Maybe, but MS has a lot of back-peddling to do in order to appease some very upset people. Coding and such aside, sure the 64-bit system is coming, security issues not withstanding but you better be able to convert old files with no problem at all.  Have you ever tried their no problem at all, W.E.T system (Windows Easy Transfer)?  Now it might work for personal files but what about the 1000's  bucks you have tied up in extra peripherals like printers, scanners, TV tuners, Video Cameras?  Without drivers your cooked! Been there done that!   Bill   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 2:20 PM Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night.  I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home.  The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH???  I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print.   I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year...  I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here.   ----- Original Message -----   From: bill1433     Hi Steve!   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers!   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.   I know, they always say "Never say Never"   but I think its OK to say it for this instance.   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!   Bill   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote:   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.   \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39315	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Funnily enough Bill, I use both slackware and my fave os Freebsd on all my other pc's apart from this one I access the net with, I have no idea why, apart from maybe the fact that I dont care if this MS machine does get fubar'd and I protect my others with vigour. I prefer BSD and I have no problems with drivers on it, I just wonder how long it will be before the nix camp kicks MS out of bounds on 99% of PC's ?. What a day that would be. Just think of how much you dont have to pay for updates on linux etc !! and switch now........ ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Yes Len, What you say is true BUT on its way out? How are ya gonna kick something out that runs right! A peak at Windows 7? Sure, that's the new program from MS to make you spend more money for another system but guess what? With Windows 7 they will have all the drivers and compatibles that Vistas does not! I hear that's how they will be able to make you to buy it! NOT! Talk about smells? This one does to high heaven. No Len, I'm afraid that MS dropped the ball way back with Windows 98 2nd edition. Now that was an OS! You had to hit it with a hammer just to slow it down. If your memory serves, after all that they started going down hill. More memory to run more add-ons running in the background that you never use. Here's the latest from Dell, just off the phone with them. If I order a new XP Pro right now, they cannot even process the order until the 27th of this month! The sales lady told me that they are that far backed up! Even MS can't believe it. Windows XP out the window??? I think not. Maybe some bright day in 2020. Maybe, but MS has a lot of back-peddling to do in order to appease some very upset people. Coding and such aside, sure the 64-bit system is coming, security issues not withstanding but you better be able to convert old files with no problem at all. Have you ever tried their no problem at all, W.E.T system (Windows Easy Transfer)? Now it might work for personal files but what about the 1000's bucks you have tied up in extra peripherals like printers, scanners, TV tuners, Video Cameras? Without drivers your cooked! Been there done that! Bill Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 2:20 PM Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year... I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39316	From: gail	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I worked with Vista - Enterprise edition. We had so much success with that. It was way better than XP. I truly miss it. Everyone here has a hard time with anything newer than Office 03. I have to convert all my documents on the server to accomodate everyone who has a later version of Excel, etc.   -gail --- On Tue, 4/14/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:49 AM Thanks Gary   Its a long story but to get to the end, our old one was dying slowly. We thought to upgrade but never dreamed of the headaches!   Don't do it! Shopping now, Dell with XP Pro!  I'll die with it!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote: From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@ yahoo.co. uk> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:20 AM Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here.   ----- Original Message -----   From: bill1433   To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com   Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:51 PM   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   Hi Steve!       That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT!       File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers!   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit.       Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.        I know, they always say "Never say Never"   but I think its OK to say it for this instance.   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting!       Bill   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote:   From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com>   Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com   Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.   \\Steve//   > -----Original Message-----   > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of   > Donna Ransome   > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM   > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   >   > I'll bite.   >   >   >   >   _____   >   > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On   > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM   > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com   > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   > More usually it is a PICNIC error.   >   > \\Steve//   >   > > -----Original Message-----   > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com   > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com]   > On Behalf Of ED   > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM   > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. .com   > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > >   > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO   > >   > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:   > > >   > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term.   > > >   > > > \\Steve//   > > >   > > >   > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com]   > On Behalf Of   > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM   > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > >   > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm   > presuming   > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for   > some   > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and   > I know   > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.   > That's   > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big   > corporations,   > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still   > secure our   > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have   > them become   > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the   > hackers/spammers/ etc. to   > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds.   > > > >   > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the   > right   > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year,   > Month)   > > > >   > > > >   > > > >   > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com]   > On   > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM   > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > >   > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds   > to pwn a   > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.   > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is   > all over for   > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC,   > would need   > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice   > security   > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice.   > > > >   > > > > \\Steve//   > > > >   > > > >   > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com]   > > > > On Behalf Of   > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and   > software) are   > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems   > (and   > > > > > software). ;-)   > > > > >   > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7   > before it's   > > > > even   > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with   > Windows   > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of   > computer   > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the   > operating   > > > > system has   > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited   > configuration of   > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that   > PC's   > > > > have   > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open   > up   > > > > their   > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll   > see   > > > > similar   > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems.   > > > > >   > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer   > problems,   > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in   > the   > > > > chair..   > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a   > little   > > > > about   > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to   > > > > over-protect   > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start   > > > > traveling the   > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the   > world   > > > > without   > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that   > with any   > > > > other   > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare   > > > > computers to   > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running   > 24/7,   > > > > whose   > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged,   > etc.?   > > > > Would   > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the   > person who   > > > > left   > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us   > would   > > > > then   > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves   > from the   > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers!   > > > > >   > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP   > and   > > > > Pro   > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system.   > > > > >   > > > >   > http://www.pcworld.   > <http://www.pcworld. com/article/ 131378/contest_ winner_vista_ more_secure_ t>   > com/article/ 131378/contest_ winner_vista_ more_secure_ t   > > > > han_   > > > > > mac_os.html   > > > > >   > http://blogs.   > <http://blogs. computerworld. com/five_ reasons_why_ vista_beats_ mac_os_x>   > computerworld. com/five_ reasons_why_ vista_beats_ mac_os_x   > > > > > http://news. <http://news. cnet.com/ 2100-1002_ 3-6046197. html>   > cnet.com/2100- 1002_3-6046197. html   > > > > >   > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a   > much   > > > > larger   > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath   > mentality   > > > > of   > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept   > this on   > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet   > Explorer,   > > > > etc.,   > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they   > WILL   > > > > see more   > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening!   > > > > >   > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>   > blogspot.com (Links to any articles   > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the   > > > > right   > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > Month)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com]   > > > > On   > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated   > version   > > > > of   > > > > > Vista.   > > > > > Wendie   > > > > >   > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > From: Kelly   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up   > going   > > > > back to   > > > > > XP   > > > > >   > > > > > Kelly   > > > > > xxxxx   > > > > >   > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com] On   > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo   > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02   > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > >   > > > > >   > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many   > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not   > being   > > > > > upgraded for Vista.   > > > > >   > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either   > not   > > > > install   > > > > > IE or to remove it completely.   > > > > >   > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further   > with a   > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it.   > > > > >   > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It   > works on   > > > > XP,   > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done   > with   > > > > it.   > > > > >   > > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On Behalf Of   > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista.   > I've only   > > > > > my   > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly   > just   > > > > use it   > > > > > to   > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the   > streets,   > > > > using   > > > > > the   > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I   > haven't   > > > > > done much   > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred   > security   > > > > > software   > > > > > > and firewall.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade   > to   > > > > major   > > > > > new   > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other   > guinea   > > > > pigs   > > > > > to   > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all   > the   > > > > bugs..   > > > > > then   > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly   > EVERY   > > > > > major   > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update   > > > > religiously   > > > > > is my   > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as   > needed or   > > > > if   > > > > > there   > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old   > > > > > saying... "If   > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and   > I   > > > > haven't   > > > > > seen   > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet..   > When   > > > > a   > > > > > new   > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not   > just a   > > > > > virtual   > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me   > upgrade   > > > > right   > > > > > away.   > > > > > > ;-) LOL   > > > > > >   > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop.   > I'll BRB   > > > > to   > > > > > > comment further.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be   > booted up   > > > > that   > > > > > fast.   > > > > > > ;-)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of   > > > > Internet   > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows   > > > > Features   > > > > > box.   > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the   > > > > > competition   > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it   > couldn't   > > > > be   > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that..   > but   > > > > maybe   > > > > > not.   > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go   > back to   > > > > my   > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features,"   > > > > > but I   > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online   > when I'm   > > > > > done   > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> >   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with   > a   > > > > check   > > > > > mark in   > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP   > computer). What   > > > > is   > > > > > your   > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not   > call it   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows   > Components   > > > > section   > > > > > that   > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details,   > that   > > > > if   > > > > > you   > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk   > you   > > > > through   > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as   > I   > > > > know,   > > > > > you   > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but   > I   > > > > liked   > > > > > IE6 (as   > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not   > use   > > > > other   > > > > > > browsers at present.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able   > to   > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did,   > though, so   > > > > > I'm   > > > > > > pulling it up again.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and   > subfolder   > > > > > in   > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think   > I   > > > > just   > > > > > found   > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> >   > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM   > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are   > listed in   > > > > the   > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side   > of   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I   > believe   > > > > it   > > > > > will   > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version...   > hopefully   > > > > you   > > > > > at   > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe   > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > > can   > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part   > of   > > > > > add/remove   > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG   > programs   > > > > until   > > > > > I've   > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless   > my   > > > > current   > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a   > > > > security   > > > > > risk.   > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering   > IE8...   > > > > > same with   > > > > > > Windows 7.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder   > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>   > blogspot.com   > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed   > on the   > > > > > right   > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by   > Year,   > > > > > Month)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > ]   > > > > > On   > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM   > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > yahoogroups. com   > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>   > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Steve,   > > > > > >   > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither   > IE7 or   > > > > > 8 are   > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an   > Uninstall.exe   > > > > > file in   > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't   > > > > gotten   > > > > > the   > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd   > wonder if   > > > > I   > > > > > had gone   > > > > > > to a fake website.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer   > > > > > service,   > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got   > a copy   > > > > of   > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back,   > > > > since.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...   > > > > > <mailto:steve% 40familyszabo. com> >   > > > > > >   > > > > > > Deb,   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft. com/downloads and download   > the   > > > > install   > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can   > go to   > > > > > Add/Remove   > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This   > will   > > > > work,   > > > > > if   > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you   > just   > > > > > downloaded   > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another   > location.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There   > have   > > > > been a   > > > > > number   > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a   > good   > > > > > backup of   > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you   > absolutely   > > > > need   > > > > > to have   > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for   > the   > > > > > problems   > > > > > > occurring.   > > > > > >   > > > > > > \\Steve//   > > > > > >   > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----   > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to   > the   > > > > > > fact   > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it   > doesn't   > > > > work   > > > > > and   > > > > > > won't   > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7.   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish   > sent to   > > > > > > my   > > > > > > > room!   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish   > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----   > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. ..   > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > DebR,   > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm   > about to   > > > > > take   > > > > > > a   > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on   > my   > > > > > computer,   > > > > > > using   > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on   > the   > > > > home   > > > > > > page of   > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo &   > Virtual   > > > > > Tour   > > > > > > page   > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal   > <http://www.hotelpal omar-sf.com/ palsf_gallery. html.>   > omar-sf.com/ palsf_gallery. html.   > I   > > > > wonder   > > > > > if   > > > > > > it   > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is   > > > > trying to   > > > > > > add on   > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column   > show   > > > > up   > > > > > on   > > > > > > the   > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39317	From: Kelly	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual <http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=557541 57> &videoid=55754157 Crazy lady! Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 14 April 2009 17:44 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - polar bear attack Anyone see that amazing footage of a woman jumping into a polar bear enclosure? She is one lucky lady to be alive. Looked like the bear took at least one chuck out of her butt & sunk his teeth a few times :-( bites.OUCH! Sadly she is mentally challenged. I wish her a speedy recovery. My own daughter has her own set of mental challenges. Hard for most of us to relate - give it a shot & have some empathy. It is not there fault that they have challenges - they need help - daily. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Maybe it's that Motown and Do-Wop music you have playing. Oh wait.. that would be shimmying, not shimmer. ;-) LOL.. I decided to look on YouTube for a ShimmyTube and found this cute one. The first minute is a commercial for the dance studio so just push the slider to the 1 minute mark. Is that Amber a few years ago??? http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related> &feature=related> com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of herring. LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Ick. > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish > > company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) > > hehe > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed > >> out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > >> > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > glofish > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school > >> with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. > >> My > LFS got > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple > >> made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) > >> LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer > >> hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more > >> danio's for > them. > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they > >> should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a > >> couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) > >> they like having > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > >> > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > >> curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on > >> purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > >> > >> Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39318	From: Troy	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I only use Vista and 2008 and above, with 2008 my preferred. Hypervisor rocks. I appreciate Vista security features. I have actually watched as web pages (once, an aquarium related web page no less) with cross site exploits try to pwn my systems. I have collected several malware samples for analysis that way. There are some really nasty exploits for the old Office formats (pre-2007). Be sure you are patched or upgraded. Bad people are bad. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I worked with Vista - Enterprise edition. We had so much success with that. It was way better than XP. I truly miss it. Everyone here has a hard time with anything newer than Office 03. I have to convert all my documents on the server to accomodate everyone who has a later version of Excel, etc. -gail --- On Tue, 4/14/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:49 AM Thanks Gary Its a long story but to get to the end, our old one was dying slowly. We thought to upgrade but never dreamed of the headaches! Don't do it! Shopping now, Dell with XP Pro! I'll die with it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote: From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@ yahoo.co. uk> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:20 AM Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > I'll bite. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. .com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > presuming > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > some > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > I know > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > That's > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > corporations, > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > secure our > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > them become > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > hackers/spammers/ etc. to > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] > On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > to pwn a > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > all over for > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > would need > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > security > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > software) are > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > (and > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > before it's > > > > even > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > Windows > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > computer > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > operating > > > > system has > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > configuration of > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > PC's > > > > have > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > up > > > > their > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > see > > > > similar > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > problems, > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > the > > > > chair.. > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > little > > > > about > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > over-protect > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > traveling the > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > world > > > > without > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > with any > > > > other > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > computers to > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > 24/7, > > > > whose > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > etc.? > > > > Would > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > person who > > > > left > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > would > > > > then > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > from the > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > and > > > > Pro > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld. com/article/ 131378/contest_ winner_vista_ more_secure_ t> > com/article/ 131378/contest_ winner_vista_ more_secure_ t > > > > han_ > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > http://blogs. > <http://blogs. computerworld. com/five_ reasons_why_ vista_beats_ mac_os_x> > computerworld. com/five_ reasons_why_ vista_beats_ mac_os_x > > > > > http://news. <http://news. cnet.com/ 2100-1002_ 3-6046197. html> > cnet.com/2100- 1002_3-6046197. html > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > much > > > > larger > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > mentality > > > > of > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > this on > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > Explorer, > > > > etc., > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > WILL > > > > see more > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > version > > > > of > > > > > Vista. > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > going > > > > back to > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > being > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > not > > > > install > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > with a > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > works on > > > > XP, > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > with > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > I've only > > > > > my > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > just > > > > use it > > > > > to > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > streets, > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > haven't > > > > > done much > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > security > > > > > software > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > to > > > > major > > > > > new > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > guinea > > > > pigs > > > > > to > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > the > > > > bugs.. > > > > > then > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > EVERY > > > > > major > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > religiously > > > > > is my > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > needed or > > > > if > > > > > there > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > I > > > > haven't > > > > > seen > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet.. > When > > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > just a > > > > > virtual > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > upgrade > > > > right > > > > > away. > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > I'll BRB > > > > to > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > booted up > > > > that > > > > > fast. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > Internet > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > Features > > > > > box. > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > competition > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > couldn't > > > > be > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > but > > > > maybe > > > > > not. > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > back to > > > > my > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > but I > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > when I'm > > > > > done > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. .. > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > a > > > > check > > > > > mark in > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > computer). What > > > > is > > > > > your > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > call it > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > Components > > > > section > > > > > that > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > that > > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > you > > > > through > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > I > > > > know, > > > > > you > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > I > > > > liked > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > use > > > > other > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > to > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > though, so > > > > > I'm > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > subfolder > > > > > in > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > I > > > > just > > > > > found > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. .. > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > listed in > > > > the > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > of > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > believe > > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > hopefully > > > > you > > > > > at > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > can > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > of > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > programs > > > > until > > > > > I've > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > my > > > > current > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > security > > > > > risk. > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > IE8... > > > > > same with > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > ] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > IE7 or > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > Uninstall.exe > > > > > file in > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > gotten > > > > > the > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > wonder if > > > > I > > > > > had gone > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > service, > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > a copy > > > > of > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > <mailto:steve% 40familyszabo. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft. com/downloads and download > the > > > > install > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > go to > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > will > > > > work, > > > > > if > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > just > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > have > > > > been a > > > > > number > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > good > > > > > backup of > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > absolutely > > > > need > > > > > to have > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > the > > > > > problems > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > doesn't > > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > sent to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@. .. > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > about to > > > > > take > > > > > > a > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > my > > > > > computer, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > the > > > > home > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > Virtual > > > > > Tour > > > > > > page > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpal omar-sf.com/ palsf_gallery. html.> > omar-sf.com/ palsf_gallery. html. > I > > > > wonder > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > trying to > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > show > > > > up > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39319	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi Steve! > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > presuming > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > some > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > I know > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > > That's > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > corporations, > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > secure our > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > them become > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > to pwn a > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > all over for > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > would need > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > security > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > software) are > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > (and > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > before it's > > > > > even > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > Windows > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > computer > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > operating > > > > > system has > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > configuration of > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > PC's > > > > > have > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > up > > > > > their > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > see > > > > > similar > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > problems, > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > the > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > little > > > > > about > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > world > > > > > without > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > with any > > > > > other > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > computers to > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > 24/7, > > > > > whose > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > etc.? > > > > > Would > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > person who > > > > > left > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > would > > > > > then > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > from the > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > and > > > > > Pro > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > han_ > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > much > > > > > larger > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > mentality > > > > > of > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > this on > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > Explorer, > > > > > etc., > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > WILL > > > > > see more > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > version > > > > > of > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > going > > > > > back to > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > being > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > not > > > > > install > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > with a > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > works on > > > > > XP, > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > with > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > I've only > > > > > > my > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > just > > > > > use it > > > > > > to > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > streets, > > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > haven't > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > security > > > > > > software > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > to > > > > > major > > > > > > new > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > guinea > > > > > pigs > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > the > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > then > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > EVERY > > > > > > major > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > religiously > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > needed or > > > > > if > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > I > > > > > haven't > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > When > > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > just a > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > upgrade > > > > > right > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > I'll BRB > > > > > to > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > booted up > > > > > that > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > Features > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > couldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > but > > > > > maybe > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > back to > > > > > my > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > when I'm > > > > > > done > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > a > > > > > check > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > computer). What > > > > > is > > > > > > your > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > call it > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > Components > > > > > section > > > > > > that > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > that > > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > you > > > > > through > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > I > > > > > know, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > I > > > > > liked > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > use > > > > > other > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > to > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > though, so > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > subfolder > > > > > > in > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > I > > > > > just > > > > > > found > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > listed in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > of > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > believe > > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > hopefully > > > > > you > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > can > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > of > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > programs > > > > > until > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > my > > > > > current > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > security > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > IE8... > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > IE7 or > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > gotten > > > > > > the > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > wonder if > > > > > I > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > a copy > > > > > of > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > the > > > > > install > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > go to > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > will > > > > > work, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > just > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > have > > > > > been a > > > > > > number > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > good > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > absolutely > > > > > need > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > the > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > the > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > doesn't > > > > > work > > > > > > and > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > sent to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > about to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > my > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > the > > > > > home > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > Virtual > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > I > > > > > wonder > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > show > > > > > up > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > leave > > > > > > that > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39320	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Lenny, Microsoft support only ends for XP SP1. If you have XP SP2 or SP3, you still have the full support, with XP SP3 going out to, I think, 2014. The big noise about ending support for XP is just more FUD to get more Vista out the door. I work mainly with small businesses, They simply cannot afford to purchase what they need to work with Vista--upgrades to hardware, usually meaning whole new machines, scanners, etc. Upgrades to old programs, some of which no longer have upgrades as the vendor is no longer in business or no longer publishes the product. And so it goes. We have an application that does not run under Vista that contains years of business records. I have not yet been able to convince my partner that we need to do something about it so that we can run Vista or later. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my > new Dodge Quad-Cab. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed > it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection > and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet > internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. > HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I > couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some > other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it > was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be > willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. > > Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in > the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP > after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended > Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they > will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a > Service Pack is released. > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and > have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my > laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping > around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > wrote: > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > >      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  I > lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I > didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> > > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro > here. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: bill1433 >     Hi Steve! > >   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > >   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! >   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > >   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > >   I know, they always say "Never say Never" >   but I think its OK to say it for this instance. >   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > >   Bill > >   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > >   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > >   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > >   \\Steve// >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39321	From: bill1433	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Hi \\Steve//!!   It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go down the tubes..  In the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) machine.  We got it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a 22” monitor no less.  Backup  my files onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT!   I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and there were but not the ones I was expecting.  I could not even open any of my files.  All being 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive itself.  Next, the problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few others I won’t list.  That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and all files.  You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such.   The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process the order until the 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all washed up?  I think not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She laughed and said that’s not the first time that she hear that one.   That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will know why.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi Steve! > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and had > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > presuming > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > some > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > I know > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.. > > That's > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > corporations, > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > secure our > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > them become > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > to pwn a > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.. > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > all over for > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > would need > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > security > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > software) are > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > (and > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > before it's > > > > > even > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > Windows > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > computer > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > operating > > > > > system has > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > configuration of > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > PC's > > > > > have > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > up > > > > > their > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > see > > > > > similar > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > problems, > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > the > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > little > > > > > about > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > world > > > > > without > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > with any > > > > > other > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > computers to > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > 24/7, > > > > > whose > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > etc.? > > > > > Would > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > person who > > > > > left > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > would > > > > > then > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > from the > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > and > > > > > Pro > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > han_ > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > much > > > > > larger > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > mentality > > > > > of > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > this on > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > Explorer, > > > > > etc., > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > WILL > > > > > see more > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > version > > > > > of > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > going > > > > > back to > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > being > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > not > > > > > install > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > with a > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > works on > > > > > XP, > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > with > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > I've only > > > > > > my > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > just > > > > > use it > > > > > > to > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > streets, > > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > haven't > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > security > > > > > > software > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > to > > > > > major > > > > > > new > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > guinea > > > > > pigs > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > the > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > then > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > EVERY > > > > > > major > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > religiously > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > needed or > > > > > if > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > I > > > > > haven't > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > When > > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > just a > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > upgrade > > > > > right > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > I'll BRB > > > > > to > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > booted up > > > > > that > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > Features > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > couldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > but > > > > > maybe > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > back to > > > > > my > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > when I'm > > > > > > done > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > a > > > > > check > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > computer). What > > > > > is > > > > > > your > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > call it > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > Components > > > > > section > > > > > > that > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > that > > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > you > > > > > through > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > I > > > > > know, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > I > > > > > liked > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > use > > > > > other > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > to > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > though, so > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > subfolder > > > > > > in > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > I > > > > > just > > > > > > found > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > listed in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > of > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > believe > > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > hopefully > > > > > you > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > can > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > of > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > programs > > > > > until > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > my > > > > > current > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > security > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > IE8... > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > IE7 or > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > gotten > > > > > > the > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > wonder if > > > > > I > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > a copy > > > > > of > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > the > > > > > install > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > go to > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > will > > > > > work, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > just > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > have > > > > > been a > > > > > > number > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > good > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > absolutely > > > > > need > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > the > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > the > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > doesn't > > > > > work > > > > > > and > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > sent to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > about to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > my > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > the > > > > > home > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > Virtual > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > I > > > > > wonder > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > show > > > > > up > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > leave > > > > > > that > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39322	From: warrenprint@yahoo.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Very well said as usual BUT, if you ever get that "Application with years of business Records" to run under Vista, would you share with us how?   Always interested in learning, especially when it involves a "Miracle"   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:05 PM Lenny, Microsoft support only ends for XP SP1. If you have XP SP2 or SP3, you still have the full support, with XP SP3 going out to, I think, 2014. The big noise about ending support for XP is just more FUD to get more Vista out the door. I work mainly with small businesses, They simply cannot afford to purchase what they need to work with Vista--upgrades to hardware, usually meaning whole new machines, scanners, etc. Upgrades to old programs, some of which no longer have upgrades as the vendor is no longer in business or no longer publishes the product. And so it goes. We have an application that does not run under Vista that contains years of business records. I have not yet been able to convince my partner that we need to do something about it so that we can run Vista or later. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my > new Dodge Quad-Cab. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed > it to last night.  I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection > and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home.  The dang LapNet > internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. > HUH???  I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I > couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some > other files I wanted to print.   I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work.. > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it > was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be > willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. > > Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in > the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP > after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended > Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they > will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a > Service Pack is released. > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and > have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my > laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping > around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > wrote: > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > >      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  I > lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I > didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> > > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro > here. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: bill1433 >     Hi Steve! > >   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > >   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! >   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > >   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.. > >   I know, they always say "Never say Never" >   but I think its OK to say it for this instance. >   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > >   Bill > >   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > >   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > >   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > >   \\Steve// > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39323	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Bill, Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go down the tubes..  In the meantime the > boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) machine.  We got > it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a 22” monitor no less.  Backup  my files > onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and > there were but not the ones I was expecting.  I could not even open any of my files.  All being > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive > itself.  Next, the problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, > there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our > HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few > others I won’t list.  That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything > and all files.  You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and yes > I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even > begin to process the order until the 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all > washed up?  I think not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista > machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She laughed and said that’s not the first > time that she hear that one. > > That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old coffee grinder > here keeps going for another month or so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will > know why. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the > machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, > Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and > had > > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64- > bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > presuming > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > some > > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > > I know > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.. > > > That's > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > corporations, > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > > secure our > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > > them become > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > to pwn a > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.. > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > all over for > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > would need > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > security > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > software) are > > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > > (and > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > before it's > > > > > > even > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > Windows > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > computer > > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > > operating > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > configuration of > > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > PC's > > > > > > have > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > > up > > > > > > their > > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > see > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > > problems, > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > the > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > little > > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > > world > > > > > > without > > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > > with any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > 24/7, > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > person who > > > > > > left > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > would > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > from the > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > and > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > much > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > this on > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > Explorer, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > WILL > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > going > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > > being > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > not > > > > > > install > > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > > with a > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > works on > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > > with > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > I've only > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > just > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > streets, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > haven't > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > > security > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > to > > > > > > major > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > guinea > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > > the > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > EVERY > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > needed or > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > I > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > > When > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > just a > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > > upgrade > > > > > > right > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > booted up > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > couldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > but > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > back to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > when I'm > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > a > > > > > > check > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > computer). What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > call it > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > Components > > > > > > section > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > that > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > you > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > > I > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > I > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > use > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > though, so > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > > subfolder > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > > listed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > > of > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > > believe > > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > > hopefully > > > > > > you > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > > of > > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > > programs > > > > > > until > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > > my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > > security > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > > IE8... > > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > > IE7 or > > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > > gotten > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > > wonder if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > > a copy > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > > the > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > > go to > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > > will > > > > > > work, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > > just > > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > > have > > > > > > been a > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > > good > > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > > absolutely > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > > the > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > > sent to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > > about to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > > my > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > > the > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > > Virtual > > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > > I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > > show > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > > leave > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39324	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Bill, Won't happen. I tried all the tricks that were supposed to work, but none did. I also found out that we could not install it on a 64-bit machine. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > warrenprint@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > > Very well said as usual BUT, if you ever get that "Application with years of business > Records" to run under Vista, would you share with us how? > > Always interested in learning, especially when it involves a "Miracle" > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:05 PM > > > Lenny, > > Microsoft support only ends for XP SP1. If you have XP SP2 or SP3, you still have the full > support, with XP SP3 going out to, I think, 2014. The big noise about ending support for XP is > just more FUD to get more Vista out the door. > > I work mainly with small businesses, They simply cannot afford to purchase what they need to > work with Vista--upgrades to hardware, usually meaning whole new machines, scanners, etc. > Upgrades to old programs, some of which no longer have upgrades as the vendor is no longer in > business or no longer publishes the product. And so it goes. > > We have an application that does not run under Vista that contains years of business records. > I have not yet been able to convince my partner that we need to do something about it so that > we can run Vista or later. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:21 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my > > new Dodge Quad-Cab. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > > > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed > > it to last night.  I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection > > and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home.  The dang LapNet > > internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. > > HUH???  I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I > > couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some > > other files I wanted to print.   I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop > > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work.. > > > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it > > was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be > > willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. > > > > Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in > > the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP > > after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended > > Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they > > will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a > > Service Pack is released. > > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > > > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and > > have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my > > laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping > > around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > > > Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > > > > >      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  I > > lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I > > didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> > > > > > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked > > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro > > here. > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: bill1433 > >     Hi Steve! > > > >   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer > > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > >   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > > compatible drivers! > >   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless > > at Windows 64-bit. > > > >   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro.. > > > >   I know, they always say "Never say Never" > >   but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > >   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > >   Bill > > > >   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > >   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > > > >   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > >   \\Steve// > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39325	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

According to MS' web pages, full support on XP would have ended this year OR 2 years after the latest SP with an OS SP having two years of full support and other software SP's having only 1 more year of full support... such as for MS Office 2003. XP's SP3 came out in April/May of 2008 so that means the full support was extended for two years from that point and now ends around April/May 2010... unless MS comes out with another SP... which is doubtful. There is still going to be extended support through 2014 which will provide for security updates but no more free support or any other software fixes... except for security issues. Thank God for forums so folks can still get "free" support. I'm sure I'll be using XP on at least one... probably two of my computers until either the computer or XP dies especially since one of my three computers is a relic already but still runs fine with only 384MB of RAM and only has a 20GB HD. I can't do a lot with that puter but I do run Office 2003 on it with no problem as long as I'm only using no more than a couple of things at a time. LOL As far as Bill's recollection of Windows 98 being a work horse and rock solid (to paraphrase), he must have had a special copy of it. I remember that for me and most of the law offices I was doing work for back then, BSOD's and constantly having it freeze up and losing data all the time was the norm. I'm pretty sure, for most Windows 98 users, the norm was having plans to just reinstall it on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure that is when programs like Ghost and True Image came out so that reinstalling the computer became an easier task. I have never had to reinstall XP on any of my computers, so yes, it has been more of what I would call a work horse than what I remember about 98. What was the computer term about Windows 98 where it was known to just slow down over time? Fish... LOL... I keep forgetting this thread is still going on AquaticLife and not one of the computer related Yahoo Groups. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Lenny, Microsoft support only ends for XP SP1. If you have XP SP2 or SP3, you still have the full support, with XP SP3 going out to, I think, 2014. The big noise about ending support for XP is just more FUD to get more Vista out the door. I work mainly with small businesses, They simply cannot afford to purchase what they need to work with Vista--upgrades to hardware, usually meaning whole new machines, scanners, etc. Upgrades to old programs, some of which no longer have upgrades as the vendor is no longer in business or no longer publishes the product. And so it goes. We have an application that does not run under Vista that contains years of business records. I have not yet been able to convince my partner that we need to do something about it so that we can run Vista or later. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work > on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I > wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an > internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my > home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. > HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop > but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some > other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or > maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will > certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. > > Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows > 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full > support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for providing what MS > calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an > amendment where they will provide certain full services for time > periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers > and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to > buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I > was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > wrote: > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > >      Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year..  > I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things > that I didn't use as much.  I never have completely figured out Photoshop. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> > > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have > pro here. > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: bill1433 >     Hi Steve! > >   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old > computer started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > >   File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! >   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but > useless at Windows 64-bit. > >   Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > >   I know, they always say "Never say Never" >   but I think its OK to say it for this instance. >   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > >   Bill > >   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > >   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > >   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > >   \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39326	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

The problem with drivers is often with the peripheral manufacturers. Microsoft doesn’t make most of the peripheral device drivers. Microsoft puts the driver specifications and for the new OS out well in advance of release and goes to considerable effort to help manufacturers build proper drivers for each release. The peripheral device makers often don’t produce new drivers (maybe they want you to buy new stuff). They have less incentive to make sure your camera works on the latest OS than Microsoft. Microsoft wants every device to work on every new release, because it wants you to want its every new release. I have had no problem using old drivers on Vista or 2008, but that is probably luck of what peripherals I have. I still use an HP 4L laser printer that I have had since 1994. It has worked from Windows 3.11 through Windows 2008. Halo 2 doesn’t run on 2008, which is quite disappointing. I wish there were some good aquarium software that ran on Windows. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Yes Len, What you say is true BUT on its way out? How are ya gonna kick something out that runs right! A peak at Windows 7? Sure, that's the new program from MS to make you spend more money for another system but guess what? With Windows 7 they will have all the drivers and compatibles that Vistas does not! I hear that's how they will be able to make you to buy it! NOT! Talk about smells? This one does to high heaven. No Len, I'm afraid that MS dropped the ball way back with Windows 98 2nd edition. Now that was an OS! You had to hit it with a hammer just to slow it down. If your memory serves, after all that they started going down hill. More memory to run more add-ons running in the background that you never use. Here's the latest from Dell, just off the phone with them. If I order a new XP Pro right now, they cannot even process the order until the 27th of this month! The sales lady told me that they are that far backed up! Even MS can't believe it. Windows XP out the window??? I think not. Maybe some bright day in 2020. Maybe, but MS has a lot of back-peddling to do in order to appease some very upset people. Coding and such aside, sure the 64-bit system is coming, security issues not withstanding but you better be able to convert old files with no problem at all. Have you ever tried their no problem at all, W.E.T system (Windows Easy Transfer)? Now it might work for personal files but what about the 1000's bucks you have tied up in extra peripherals like printers, scanners, TV tuners, Video Cameras? Without drivers your cooked! Been there done that! Bill Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 2:20 PM Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173> &C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year... I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@... <mailto:garrywilliams59%40yahoo.co.uk> > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39327	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Linux is free if your time isn’t worth anything. Or so I heard. I wonder if that means when you pay for a commercial OS and have to spend a lot of time making it work that your time is worth less than nothing? Who’s good at math? Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Funnily enough Bill, I use both slackware and my fave os Freebsd on all my other pc's apart from this one I access the net with, I have no idea why, apart from maybe the fact that I dont care if this MS machine does get fubar'd and I protect my others with vigour. I prefer BSD and I have no problems with drivers on it, I just wonder how long it will be before the nix camp kicks MS out of bounds on 99% of PC's ?. What a day that would be. Just think of how much you dont have to pay for updates on linux etc !! and switch now........ ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Yes Len, What you say is true BUT on its way out? How are ya gonna kick something out that runs right! A peak at Windows 7? Sure, that's the new program from MS to make you spend more money for another system but guess what? With Windows 7 they will have all the drivers and compatibles that Vistas does not! I hear that's how they will be able to make you to buy it! NOT! Talk about smells? This one does to high heaven. No Len, I'm afraid that MS dropped the ball way back with Windows 98 2nd edition. Now that was an OS! You had to hit it with a hammer just to slow it down. If your memory serves, after all that they started going down hill. More memory to run more add-ons running in the background that you never use. Here's the latest from Dell, just off the phone with them. If I order a new XP Pro right now, they cannot even process the order until the 27th of this month! The sales lady told me that they are that far backed up! Even MS can't believe it. Windows XP out the window??? I think not. Maybe some bright day in 2020. Maybe, but MS has a lot of back-peddling to do in order to appease some very upset people. Coding and such aside, sure the 64-bit system is coming, security issues not withstanding but you better be able to convert old files with no problem at all. Have you ever tried their no problem at all, W.E.T system (Windows Easy Transfer)? Now it might work for personal files but what about the 1000's bucks you have tied up in extra peripherals like printers, scanners, TV tuners, Video Cameras? Without drivers your cooked! Been there done that! Bill Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 2:20 PM Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old Model-T doesn't work on my new Dodge Quad-Cab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting Dang Progress!!! ;-) Although I did have my first issue with Vista not working as I wanted/needed it to last night. I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX for an internet connection and printing since I was around 20 miles from my home. The dang LapNet internet connection service that they use wasn't compatible with Vista. HUH??? I was at least able to print some stuff from my Vista Laptop but I couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn in order to drag over some other files I wanted to print. I admit that I mostly use my Vista Laptop to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep the majority of my work. I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a progressive place... or maybe it was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? I won't be going back to XP with this Vista computer but I will certainly be willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up and running right. Going back to XP now will only result in having to upgrade to Windows 7 in the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not be giving full support to XP after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving what MS calls "Extended Support" until 2014 for security although there is an amendment where they will provide certain full services for time periods of 12-24 months after a Service Pack is released. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173> &C2=1173 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport I guess, now that they are offering XP more readily on new computers and have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe earlier, if I had to buy my laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine but when I was shopping around, XP was on it's way out for support issues after 2009. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT Please read my other posting on this from a minute or so, it tells alot! Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@... <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM Unfortunately, that's what my new computer came with last year... I lost the use of my favorite graphics program and a few other things that I didn't use as much. I never have completely figured out Photoshop. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@... <mailto:garrywilliams59%40yahoo.co.uk> > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even the manufacturers asked Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the service pack 3, I have pro here. ----- Original Message ----- From: bill1433 Hi Steve! That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. I know, they always say "Never say Never" but I think its OK to say it for this instance. Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! Bill --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39328	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Why did you go with Vista 64-bit? The 32-bit Vista OS is far more compatible with older software. I haven't used the 64-bit system but I'm not sure why you couldn't open files unless they were proprietary file suffixes, for example, I occasionally use Print Master to create flyers or such and I know those files have proprietary suffixes that only Print Master can easily open and/or modify them (although I'm sure there are 3rd party apps that also may do it). As far as my $500.00 HP laptop with Vista Home Premium, I have MS Office 2003 running on it, use IE7, Comodo Internet Security and other popular malware scanners and they all work fine. So far, everything I've had to use with it has worked with no problems until the incident at Kinko's/FEDEX on Monday night. I still don't know how they do not have Vista compatible internet connection software. In a way, I'm glad it wouldn't work since they want to install software on your computer to even connect to their Lapnet network and I personally do NOT like installing software that I have not had a chance to vet first. As far as my printers go, at least one of my printers is only two years old so I'm sure it's Vista compatible. It's just a little Canon Pixma iP1600 but it works fine. It actually came as a freebie when I bought my last XP desktop a couple of years ago and has sat in the box until my 5 year old HP All-In-One finally stopped printing consistently so I've been using the little Canon for the past few weeks. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Hi \\Steve//!!   It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go down the tubes..  In the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) machine.  We got it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a 22” monitor no less.  Backup  my files onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT!   I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and there were but not the ones I was expecting.  I could not even open any of my files.  All being 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive itself.  Next, the problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few others I won’t list.  That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and all files.  You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such.   The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process the order until the 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all washed up?  I think not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She laughed and said that’s not the first time that she hear that one.   That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will know why.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi Steve! > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > Bill >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39329	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)

Troy, What kind of aquarium software are you looking for? WOOO HOOOOO.. at least we somehow morphed this thread back to being about aquariums... albeit aquariums running in a computer. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT The problem with drivers is often with the peripheral manufacturers. Microsoft doesn't make most of the peripheral device drivers. Microsoft puts the driver specifications and for the new OS out well in advance of release and goes to considerable effort to help manufacturers build proper drivers for each release. The peripheral device makers often don't produce new drivers (maybe they want you to buy new stuff). They have less incentive to make sure your camera works on the latest OS than Microsoft. Microsoft wants every device to work on every new release, because it wants you to want its every new release. I have had no problem using old drivers on Vista or 2008, but that is probably luck of what peripherals I have. I still use an HP 4L laser printer that I have had since 1994. It has worked from Windows 3.11 through Windows 2008. Halo 2 doesn't run on 2008, which is quite disappointing. I wish there were some good aquarium software that ran on Windows. Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39330	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

That’s what I did, Dell Vostro which is more a business machine than personal, just to avoid Vista. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi Steve! > > That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer started to go bad and had > to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64-bit. > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Donna Ransome > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > presuming > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > some > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > I know > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > > That's > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > corporations, > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > secure our > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > them become > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > to pwn a > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > all over for > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > would need > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > security > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > software) are > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > (and > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > before it's > > > > > even > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > Windows > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > computer > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > operating > > > > > system has > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > configuration of > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > PC's > > > > > have > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > up > > > > > their > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > see > > > > > similar > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > problems, > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > the > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > little > > > > > about > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > world > > > > > without > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > with any > > > > > other > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > computers to > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > 24/7, > > > > > whose > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > etc.? > > > > > Would > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > person who > > > > > left > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > would > > > > > then > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > from the > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > and > > > > > Pro > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > <http://www.pcworld. <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > han_ > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > <http://blogs. <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > http://news. <http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > much > > > > > larger > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > mentality > > > > > of > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > this on > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > Explorer, > > > > > etc., > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > WILL > > > > > see more > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > version > > > > > of > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > going > > > > > back to > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > being > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > not > > > > > install > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > with a > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > works on > > > > > XP, > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > with > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > I've only > > > > > > my > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > just > > > > > use it > > > > > > to > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > streets, > > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > haven't > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > security > > > > > > software > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > to > > > > > major > > > > > > new > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > guinea > > > > > pigs > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > the > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > then > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > EVERY > > > > > > major > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > religiously > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > needed or > > > > > if > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > I > > > > > haven't > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > When > > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > just a > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > upgrade > > > > > right > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > I'll BRB > > > > > to > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > booted up > > > > > that > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > Features > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > couldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > but > > > > > maybe > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > back to > > > > > my > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > when I'm > > > > > > done > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > a > > > > > check > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > computer). What > > > > > is > > > > > > your > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > call it > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > Components > > > > > section > > > > > > that > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > that > > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > you > > > > > through > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > I > > > > > know, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > I > > > > > liked > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > use > > > > > other > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > to > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > though, so > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > subfolder > > > > > > in > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > I > > > > > just > > > > > > found > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > listed in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > of > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > believe > > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > hopefully > > > > > you > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > can > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > of > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > programs > > > > > until > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > my > > > > > current > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > security > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > IE8... > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > ] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > IE7 or > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > gotten > > > > > > the > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > wonder if > > > > > I > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > a copy > > > > > of > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > the > > > > > install > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > go to > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > will > > > > > work, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > just > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > have > > > > > been a > > > > > > number > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > good > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > absolutely > > > > > need > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > the > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > the > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > doesn't > > > > > work > > > > > > and > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > sent to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > about to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > my > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > the > > > > > home > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > Virtual > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > I > > > > > wonder > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > show > > > > > up > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > leave > > > > > > that > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39331	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

How is the Vostro working out for you? From what limited experience we have had with them, they do not seem to be worth the hassle. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:42 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > That's what I did, Dell Vostro which is more a business machine than > personal, just to avoid Vista. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one > who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, > looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP > option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer > started to go bad and had > > to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! > > Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > presuming > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > some > > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > > I know > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > > > That's > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > corporations, > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > > secure our > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > > them become > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > to pwn a > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > all over for > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > would need > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > security > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > software) are > > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > > (and > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > before it's > > > > > > even > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > Windows > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > computer > > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > > operating > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > configuration of > > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > PC's > > > > > > have > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > > up > > > > > > their > > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > see > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > > problems, > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > the > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > little > > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > > world > > > > > > without > > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > > with any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > 24/7, > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > person who > > > > > > left > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > would > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > from the > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > and > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > <http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_ t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > <http://blogs. > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news. > <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > much > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > this on > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > Explorer, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > WILL > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > going > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > > being > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > not > > > > > > install > > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > > with a > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > works on > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > > with > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > I've only > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > just > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > streets, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > haven't > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > > security > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > to > > > > > > major > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > guinea > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > > the > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > EVERY > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > needed or > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > I > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > > When > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > just a > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > > upgrade > > > > > > right > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > booted up > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > couldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > but > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > back to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > when I'm > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > a > > > > > > check > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > computer). What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > call it > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > Components > > > > > > section > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > that > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > you > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > > I > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > I > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > use > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > though, so > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > > subfolder > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > > listed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > > of > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > > believe > > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > > hopefully > > > > > > you > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > > of > > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > > programs > > > > > > until > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > > my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > > security > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > > IE8... > > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > > IE7 or > > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > > gotten > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > > wonder if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > > a copy > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > > the > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > > go to > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > > will > > > > > > work, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > > just > > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > > have > > > > > > been a > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > > good > > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > > absolutely > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > > the > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > > sent to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > > about to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > > my > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > > the > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > > Virtual > > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > > <http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > > I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > > show > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > > leave > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39332	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Mine has been perfect. I've had it 1.5 years now. I don't do anything special with it.just Microsoft Office, Outlook, etc. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:29 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) How is the Vostro working out for you? From what limited experience we have had with them, they do not seem to be worth the hassle. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Ransome > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:42 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > That's what I did, Dell Vostro which is more a business machine than > personal, just to avoid Vista. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one > who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the business side, > looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP > option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet! It really pertains here also. Old computer > started to go bad and had > > to get a new one. Windows Vista! NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no > compatible drivers! > > Family record? Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > presuming > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > some > > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > > I know > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it. > > > That's > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > corporations, > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > > secure our > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > > them become > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > to pwn a > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > all over for > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > would need > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > security > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > software) are > > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > > (and > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > before it's > > > > > > even > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > Windows > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > computer > > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > > operating > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > configuration of > > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > PC's > > > > > > have > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > > up > > > > > > their > > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > see > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > > problems, > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > the > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > little > > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > > world > > > > > > without > > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > > with any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > 24/7, > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > person who > > > > > > left > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > would > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > from the > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > and > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > <http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld. <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_> com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_ t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > <http://blogs. > <http://blogs. <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news. > <http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > much > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > this on > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > Explorer, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > WILL > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > going > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > > being > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > not > > > > > > install > > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > > with a > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > works on > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > > with > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > I've only > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > just > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > streets, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > haven't > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > > security > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > to > > > > > > major > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > guinea > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > > the > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > EVERY > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > needed or > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > I > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet. > > > When > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > just a > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > > upgrade > > > > > > right > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > booted up > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > couldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > but > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > back to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > when I'm > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > a > > > > > > check > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > computer). What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > call it > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > Components > > > > > > section > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > that > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > you > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > > I > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > I > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > use > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > though, so > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > > subfolder > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > > listed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > > of > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > > believe > > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > > hopefully > > > > > > you > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > > of > > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > > programs > > > > > > until > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > > my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > > security > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > > IE8... > > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > > IE7 or > > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > > gotten > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > > wonder if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > > a copy > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > > the > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > > go to > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > > will > > > > > > work, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > > just > > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > > have > > > > > > been a > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > > good > > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > > absolutely > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > > the > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > > sent to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > > about to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > > my > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > > the > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > > Virtual > > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > > <http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpal <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > > I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > > show > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > > leave > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39333	From: Alina	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

I have not fed anything different lately, and for awhile, I thought a mini pleco I have had died because he was missing...except he appears to have made the inside of a rock home and he comes out now and again at night to clean the glass but most of the day, he lives in this holey rock...kinda funny...so he is accounted for. I moved my decorations around yesterday and vaccumed the gravel well..water comes out fairly clean except for a little bit of detritus at the bottom of my bucket...I took the filter apart on Sunday night, checked the inside of it, made sure the mechanisms were clear and working...I am almost afraid to say it but I think it is getting a hair better...I did another PWC yesterday. Weird thing is ...none of the fish appear stressed in any way at this point. Here's hoping.. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > Silly question, maybe, but did you also check the bottom of the filter > compartment itself? I've seen guck build up there. > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alina" <alambiet@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > Hi Lenny, > > Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem levels are > normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails that > died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and I was > left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that there > would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did > remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I looked for > the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, both > just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My water > is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it to 1 a > day for fear of starting the cycle over. > > It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and alarming to > me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters now and > had been having no problems for months and months. > > I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my > intake, and it's clear. > > One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I found that > carcass. > > Should I stop water changes now? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> > wrote: > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster than your > > nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe hidden in a > > decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the > > smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it stinks to > > high Heaven, then it's dead. > > > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to move > > decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be > > surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during normal > > tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse is it > > getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also for > > pH? > > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of 0.25ppm > > means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for > > ammonia > > and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving unusual > > results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out what is > > going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always a good > > thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's > > are > > not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary measure. > > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > > proper > > solution. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Alina > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started experiencing > > a > > spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as something a > > little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, once a > > day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. Now, > > about > > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the dirty water > > a > > week prior to this. > > > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a couple of > > snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish tropicals..not > > overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, keeping my > > old > > one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the extra > > filtering would help... > > > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > > anything...just > > regular water with the detox solution. > > > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were working > > and > > clear. > > > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water changes, in > > the > > event the water company has done some additions......appears to be the > > usual > > parameters > > > > > > What else might be going on? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alina > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39334	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I will keep you posted on the outcome.  For now just taking a day here to relax and enjoy my cloudy tank!  The last 48 hours were a bit rough on the nerves.  The computer goes back tonight and the actual order to Dell forthcoming.  We just noticed that staples has 6 "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and buy tonight anything is possible. Here's the link if you would like a look.  If you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed.   http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM Bill, Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go down the tubes..  In the meantime the > boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) machine.  We got > it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a 22â€� monitor no less.  Backup  my files > onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and > there were but not the ones I was expecting.  I could not even open any of my files.  All being > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive > itself.  Next, the problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, > there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our > HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few > others I won’t list.  That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything > and all files.  You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and yes > I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even > begin to process the order until the 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all > washed up?  I think not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista > machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She laughed and said that’s not the first > time that she hear that one. > > That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old coffee grinder > here keeps going for another month or so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will > know why. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the > machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, > Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad and > had > > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows 64- > bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > presuming > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > some > > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > > I know > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.. > > > That's > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > corporations, > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > > secure our > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > > them become > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > to pwn a > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.. > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > all over for > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > would need > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > security > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > software) are > > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > > (and > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > before it's > > > > > > even > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > Windows > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > computer > > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > > operating > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > configuration of > > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > PC's > > > > > > have > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > > up > > > > > > their > > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > see > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > > problems, > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > the > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > little > > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > > world > > > > > > without > > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > > with any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > 24/7, > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > person who > > > > > > left > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > would > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > from the > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > and > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > much > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > this on > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > Explorer, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > WILL > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > going > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > > being > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > not > > > > > > install > > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > > with a > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > works on > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > > with > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > I've only > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > just > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > streets, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > haven't > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > > security > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > to > > > > > > major > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > guinea > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > > the > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > EVERY > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > needed or > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > I > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet.. > > > When > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > just a > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > > upgrade > > > > > > right > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > booted up > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > couldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > but > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > back to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > when I'm > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > a > > > > > > check > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > computer). What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > call it > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > Components > > > > > > section > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > that > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > you > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > > I > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > I > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > use > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > though, so > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > > subfolder > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of which IE is still considered) are > > > listed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows components section off to the left side > > > of > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > > believe > > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > roll you back to your previously installed IE version... > > > hopefully > > > > > > you > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm this about the roll back. I haven't used this part > > > of > > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > > programs > > > > > > until > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen enough other folks doing it without problems... unless > > > my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > version has been deemed a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > > security > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at least a year or so before considering > > > IE8... > > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I did, a couple of times, and neither > > > IE7 or > > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove programs. I've searched for an > > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > > gotten > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file by following links in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > > wonder if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser in order to reach them and so I got > > > a copy > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Firefox from my daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@... > > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > > the > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install it. After it has finished, you can > > > go to > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs in your Control Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > > will > > > > > > work, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > > just > > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > > the program from the same location I gave you or another > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very careful when installing IE8, There > > > have > > > > > > been a > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > of problems reported with the install. Make sure you have a > > > good > > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > > your machine before trying to start, if you feel you > > > absolutely > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > > the > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that I tried to update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > > let me remove it or go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > > sent to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the black column on the home page too? I'm > > > about to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > screen shot of the home page with how it's showing up on > > > my > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black column on the left is not showing up on > > > the > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > > the website. It does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > > Virtual > > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > > I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has something to do with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? But then... why does the black column > > > show > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other page and not on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > > leave > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the web page designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39335	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT

Kind of as a joke, I commented to Len, that the new Windows 7 does this. It actually gives you all the drivers and support you need.  That's how they intend to market it. Their going to tell people that it will work!  Effortlessly? I think not.   Being in the field you already know that MS has gotten more than a few people mad and you folks in the business world?  Forget About It!  You poor folks don't have a chance.  My wife's company is pretty large and they have already started a program of re-doing their machines, staying with XP, and just driving up the ram and give the machines a general over haul motherboards and all.  Everything including the accounting department is under XP and they will not change.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:56 PM > Bill, > > Won't happen. I tried all the tricks that were supposed to > work, but none did. I also found out that we could not > install it on a 64-bit machine. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > warrenprint@... > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) OT > > > > > > Very well said as usual BUT, if you ever get that > "Application with years of business > > Records" to run under Vista, would you share with us > how? > > > > Always interested in learning, especially when it > involves a "Miracle" > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) OT > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:05 PM > > > > > > Lenny, > > > > Microsoft support only ends for XP SP1. If you have XP > SP2 or SP3, you still have the full > > support, with XP SP3 going out to, I think, 2014. The > big noise about ending support for XP is > > just more FUD to get more Vista out the door. > > > > I work mainly with small businesses, They simply > cannot afford to purchase what they need to > > work with Vista--upgrades to hardware, usually meaning > whole new machines, scanners, etc. > > Upgrades to old programs, some of which no longer have > upgrades as the vendor is no longer in > > business or no longer publishes the product. And so it > goes. > > > > We have an application that does not run under Vista > that contains years of business records. > > I have not yet been able to convince my partner that > we need to do something about it so that > > we can run Vista or later. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:21 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) OT > > > > > > Yeahh... and I hate how my hand crank from my old > Model-T doesn't work on my > > > new Dodge Quad-Cab. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting > > > > > > Dang Progress!!! ;-) > > > > > > Although I did have my first issue with Vista not > working as I wanted/needed > > > it to last night.  I had to use a Kinkos/FEDEX > for an internet connection > > > and printing since I was around 20 miles from my > home.  The dang LapNet > > > internet connection service that they use wasn't > compatible with Vista. > > > HUH???  I was at least able to print some stuff > from my Vista Laptop but I > > > couldn't connect to my home computer via LogMeIn > in order to drag over some > > > other files I wanted to print.   I admit that > I mostly use my Vista Laptop > > > to connect to my XP Desktop which is where I keep > the majority of my work.. > > > > > > I use to think Kinko's/FEDEX was kind of a > progressive place... or maybe it > > > was just this particular Kinkos/FEDEX??? > > > > > > I won't be going back to XP with this Vista > computer but I will certainly be > > > willing to go forward to Windows 7 once it's up > and running right. > > > > > > Going back to XP now will only result in having > to upgrade to Windows 7 in > > > the near future anyhow since Microsoft will not > be giving full support to XP > > > after 4/14/2009... TODAY!!!, except for proving > what MS calls "Extended > > > Support" until 2014 for security although there > is an amendment where they > > > will provide certain full services for time > periods of 12-24 months after a > > > Service Pack is released. > > > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > > > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#ServicePackSupport > > > > > > I guess, now that they are offering XP more > readily on new computers and > > > have "Extended Support" through 2014 or maybe > earlier, if I had to buy my > > > laptop over again, I'd probably get an XP machine > but when I was shopping > > > around, XP was on it's way out for support issues > after 2009. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:52 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) OT > > > > > > Please read my other posting on this from a > minute or so, it tells alot! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) OT > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 PM > > > > > > > > >      Unfortunately, that's what my new > computer came with last year..  I > > > lost the use of my favorite graphics program and > a few other things that I > > > didn't use as much.  I never have completely > figured out Photoshop. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> > > > > > > > > > Why anyone would want vista is beyond me, even > the manufacturers asked > > > Microsoft to hold on to XP and bring out the > service pack 3, I have pro > > > here. > > > > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > >   From: bill1433 > > >     Hi Steve! > > > > > >   That's the best one yet!  It really pertains > here also.  Old computer > > > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  > Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > > > >   File conversation a nightmare, lost both > printers and scanner, no > > > compatible drivers! > > >   Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga > external hard drive but useless > > > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > > >   Needles to say, the computer is being returned > and hunting for XP Pro.. > > > > > >   I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > >   but I think its OK to say it for this > instance. > > >   Will be a bit until I can answer, busy > hunting! > > > > > >   Bill > > > > > >   --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > >   From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > > > > > > >   PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > > >   \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39336	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse?

Have you tried taking a sample of your water to your LFS to see if they can test it for you, just to be sure something isn't going wrong at home? Are you testing the water before a PWC and then after to see if anything has changed? Just ideas, Amber Alina wrote: > > > > I have not fed anything different lately, and for awhile, I thought a > mini pleco I have had died because he was missing...except he appears > to have made the inside of a rock home and he comes out now and again > at night to clean the glass but most of the day, he lives in this > holey rock...kinda funny...so he is accounted for. > > I moved my decorations around yesterday and vaccumed the gravel > well..water comes out fairly clean except for a little bit of detritus > at the bottom of my bucket...I took the filter apart on Sunday night, > checked the inside of it, made sure the mechanisms were clear and > working...I am almost afraid to say it but I think it is getting a > hair better...I did another PWC yesterday. > > Weird thing is ...none of the fish appear stressed in any way at this > point. Here's hoping.. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> > wrote: > > > > Silly question, maybe, but did you also check the bottom of the filter > > compartment itself? I've seen guck build up there. > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alina" <alambiet@...> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:59 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ammonia spike -- water changes making it > worse? > > > > > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > Thanks for replying...I did a battery of tests and all other chem > levels are > > normal...no high nitrites, etc..just ammonia. I did have two snails > that > > died in the last 4 weeks, however. Both mysteriously disappeared and > I was > > left with an empty floating shell. I thought, as you mention, that > there > > would be a decomposing carcass somewhere.. but I never found it. I did > > remove (just move the decor) and vacummed under the decor, and I > looked for > > the bodies ...I assumed the other fish go to them first...but again, > both > > just disappeared and I never found traces of the bodies anywhere. My > water > > is coming out pretty clean with each water change. I am limiting it > to 1 a > > day for fear of starting the cycle over. > > > > It has gone in one week from .25 to 1 and well, it's strange and > alarming to > > me since I have a very nice thick layer of bacteria in my filters > now and > > had been having no problems for months and months. > > > > I did remove the filter and checked to be sure nothing was stuck in my > > intake, and it's clear. > > > > One other small fish -- a guppie - -died about 6 weeks ago but I > found that > > carcass. > > > > Should I stop water changes now? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hmmmmmm. > > > > > > Sounds like something might have died and is decomposing faster > than your > > > nitrifying bacteria can reproduce to handle the decomp. Maybe > hidden in a > > > decoration? Possibly a dead Mystery Snail? Are they all moving? Do the > > > smell test on them. A snail should smell like a snail but if it > stinks to > > > high Heaven, then it's dead. > > > > > > I'm presuming you've been vacuuming your gravel? It's also good to > move > > > decorations on an occasional basis to vacuum under them. You'll be > > > surprised how much detritus gets under them that is missed during > normal > > > tank vacuuming.. but even this should not cause an ammonia spike. > > > > > > You mention the test result for ammonia of 0.25ppm. How much worse > is it > > > getting? What are your other numbers for nitrite, nitrate and also > for > > > pH? > > > What are your usual test results for pH, etc. from in the past? > > > > > > Remember, that in an established tank, even an ammonia reading of > 0.25ppm > > > means something is going wrong as it should ALWAYS be at 0.0ppm for > > > ammonia > > > and nitrite. The minute you see any of your test results giving > unusual > > > results, it's time to do a full battery of tests and figure out > what is > > > going wrong before it gets bad. While doing PWC's is almost always > a good > > > thing, in an established tank that is getting an ammonia reading, > PWC's > > > are > > > not the permanent solution, although they may help as a temporary > measure. > > > In a NEW tank that is getting an ammonia reading, PWC's would be the > > > proper > > > solution. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Alina > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:39 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ammonia spike -- water changes making it worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I've now got a nicely established 38-gallon tank that started > experiencing > > > a > > > spike in ammonia about a week and half ago. It started out as > something a > > > little minor...at .25...so I started doing partial water changes, > once a > > > day, about 15 to 20% each day in hopes of keeping it under check. > Now, > > > about > > > 8-9 days into it, it's only getting worse. I did not do any filter > > > maintenance before this, other than to swoosh my filter in the > dirty water > > > a > > > week prior to this. > > > > > > Also, I have a pretty ordinary tank, with a couple of mollies, a > couple of > > > snails, a couple of swordfish and mayb 5-6 other smallish > tropicals..not > > > overstocked..Tank had been perfect for a long time. > > > > > > Last night, I added a new filter cartridge to the filter box, > keeping my > > > old > > > one in there too with all its good bacteria.....hoping perhaps the > extra > > > filtering would help... > > > > > > Have not added anything to the tank in terms of chemicals or > > > anything...just > > > regular water with the detox solution. > > > > > > In addition, I did check my filter to make sure all systems were > working > > > and > > > clear. > > > > > > I tested the water going into the tank as well during water > changes, in > > > the > > > event the water company has done some additions......appears to be > the > > > usual > > > parameters > > > > > > > > > What else might be going on? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Alina > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > > > SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the > > > home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39337	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Len, You must have missed a post. I did not go with this, I had no choice it came "bottled" with the computer! I would not take one of these machines if you gave it to me. I do a lot of picture and video work will some very large files and this does not count all the personal work our machine does. It works. It does not play games. It works and we cannot be without one. 64-bit machines? Fast, sharp everything----if your just starting out, buy one. If you use a computer hard and have many old files and programs excluding printers and such, stay away from them. Bill --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 6:26 AM > Why did you go with Vista > 64-bit?  The 32-bit Vista OS is far more > compatible with older software.  I haven't used the > 64-bit system but I'm > not sure why you couldn't open files unless they were > proprietary file > suffixes, for example, I occasionally use Print Master to > create flyers or > such and I know those files have proprietary suffixes that > only Print Master > can easily open and/or modify them (although I'm sure there > are 3rd party > apps that also may do it). > > As far as my $500.00 HP laptop with Vista Home Premium, I > have MS Office > 2003 running on it, use IE7, Comodo Internet Security and > other popular > malware scanners and they all work fine.  So far, > everything I've had to use > with it has worked with no problems until the incident at > Kinko's/FEDEX on > Monday night.  I still don't know how they do not have > Vista compatible > internet connection software.  In a way, I'm glad it > wouldn't work since > they want to install software on your computer to even > connect to their > Lapnet network and I personally do NOT like installing > software that I have > not had a chance to vet first.  As far as my printers > go, at least one of my > printers is only two years old so I'm sure it's Vista > compatible.  It's just > a little Canon Pixma iP1600 but it works fine.  It > actually came as a > freebie when I bought my last XP desktop a couple of years > ago and has sat > in the box until my 5 year old HP All-In-One finally > stopped printing > consistently so I've been using the little Canon for the > past few weeks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! >   > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go > down the tubes..  In > the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too a > point) machine.  > We got it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a > 22” monitor no > less.  Backup  my files onto a portable hard disk and > good to go, NOT! >   > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit > OS there would be > problems, and there were but not the ones I was > expecting.  I could not even > open any of my files.  All being 16 and 32 bit on the > portable drive, it > took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive > itself.  Next, the > problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, > that one was easy, > there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP > techs trying to > get driver for our HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true > for the other > printer, high res scanner, and a few others I won’t > list.  That WET system > (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and > all files.  You > will more that likely have driver problems for your > printers and such. >   > The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A > quick call to Dell > this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new > machine BUT, they > are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process > the order until the > 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all > washed up?  I think > not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order > for a Vista > machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She > laughed and said > that’s not the first time that she hear that one. >   > That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a > quick prayer that the > old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or > so.  If I suddenly > stop posting at least everyone will know why. >   > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" > dealer (that is one > who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the > business side, > looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and > look for the XP > option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here > also.  Old computer > > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows > Vista!  NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and > scanner, no > compatible drivers! > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external > hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and > hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39338	From: bill1433	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Smart Lady! Bill --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 6:41 AM > That’s what I did, Dell Vostro > which is more a business machine than > personal, just to avoid Vista. > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > > > > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" > dealer (that is one > who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the > business side, > looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and > look for the XP > option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here > also.  Old computer > started to go bad and had > > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and > scanner, no > compatible drivers! > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external > hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and > hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo > <steve@familyszabo. > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Donna Ransome > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for > windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 > PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet > about this years conference. I'm > > > presuming > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... > right? I'll have to Google for > > > some > > > > > > updated articles. I've written > about this in computer forums and > > > I know > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable > than me have also written about it. > > > That's > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break > into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > corporations, > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home > computers... BUT... we must still > > > secure our > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them > from being taken over and have > > > them become > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which > then enables the > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > have even more computing power to > do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the > > > right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 > PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat > conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > to pwn a > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the > fabled security of using a MAC. > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a > certain critical mass, it is > > > all over for > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix > systems will work against a MAC, > > > would need > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no > great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > security > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a > good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 > 11:51 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL > computer operating systems (and > > > software) are > > > > > > > updated versions of their > previously released operating systems > > > (and > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the > Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > before it's > > > > > > even > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? > YES! That's the problem with > > > Windows > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, > there are countless numbers of > > > computer > > > > > > > configurations, software > configurations, etc., that the > > > operating > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple > has a much more limited > > > configuration of > > > > > > > computers and software to > deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > PC's > > > > > > have > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... > although Apple is starting to open > > > up > > > > > > their > > > > > > > system to more cloning and > add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > see > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've > already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the > overwhelming majority of computer > > > problems, > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are > a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > the > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > lol), not because of the > computer. If folks would just learn a > > > little > > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to secure their > computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer > and get on the internet and start > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > world and visiting some of > the most dangerous places in the > > > world > > > > > > without > > > > > > > having a clue about where > they are going. Would you do that > > > with any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it > with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave > their cars unlocked and running > > > 24/7, > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > fault would it be when their > cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > it be the company that built > the car? NO! It would be the > > > person who > > > > > > left > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the > doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > would > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have to over-protect and > insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > from the > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same > with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and > hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > and > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > versions faired much better > than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > <http://www.pcworld. > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > <http://blogs. > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news. > <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, > they will only see themselves become a > > > much > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > target to hackers and > malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > hackers where they always go > after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > this on > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the > BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > Explorer, > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - > Firefox) gain market share, they > > > WILL > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their > browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are > listed on the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 > 8:01 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources > that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 > 7:47 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had > loads of problems and ended up > > > going > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend > Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older > software--some of which are not > > > being > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that > Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > not > > > > > > install > > > > > > > IE or to remove it > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not > familiar enough to go much further > > > with a > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not > done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can > suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > works on > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where > it should be once you are done > > > with > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April > 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still > consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > I've only > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium > laptop for around six months and mainly > > > just > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > remotely access my > desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > streets, > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. > Since it's still under warranty, I > > > haven't > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other > than installing my own preferred > > > security > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've > learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > to > > > > > > major > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > software when it first > comes out. Wait for all the other > > > guinea > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have all the problems > and let the software company fix all > > > the > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not > only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > EVERY > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > software program. About > the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > security software. > Everything else only gets updated as > > > needed or > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is a security risk with > my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't > fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > I > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that > would make me want to change to it yet. > > > When > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > piece of software comes > with a good looking babe (and not > > > just a > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > one), that might be the > only thing that would make me > > > upgrade > > > > > > right > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about > Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you > didn't know a computer could be > > > booted up > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what > you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the > Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember > there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > about Microsoft > imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > couldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I > thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > but > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of > advice now and would suggest you go > > > back to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous post about > contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April > 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was > actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > knew what you were > referring to. I'll have a check online > > > when I'm > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > with my usual daily > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and > Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message > ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a > box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > a > > > > > > check > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's > how it's looking on my XP > > > computer). What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm > presuming XP since Vista does not > > > call it > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and > I never noticed the Windows > > > Components > > > > > > section > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > last time I was in that > part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but > look for a web page that gives details, > > > that > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet > Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > you > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > rolling back to your > previously installed version. As far as > > > I > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can not completely > uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > I > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > long as it was > configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > use > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April > 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the > Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish anything > there. I can't remember what I did, > > > though, so > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked > through every single folder and > > > subfolder > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or > anything. On the bright side, I think > > > I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > out we can't send print > jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and > Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message > ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April > 09, 2009 1:05 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows components (of > which IE is still considered) are > > > listed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Windows > components section off to the left side > > > of > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs. When there, if > you uncheck Internet Explorer, I > > > believe > > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > roll you back to your > previously installed IE version... > > > hopefully > > > > > > you > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least had IE7 (since IE6 > is a security risk)... but maybe > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm this about the > roll back. I haven't used this part > > > of > > > > > > > add/remove > > > > > > > > programs in a LONG time. > I rarely upgrade to new BIG > > > programs > > > > > > until > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen enough other folks > doing it without problems... unless > > > my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > version has been deemed > a security risk.. which IE7 is NOT a > > > > > > security > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > I'll probably wait at > least a year or so before considering > > > IE8... > > > > > > > same with > > > > > > > > Windows 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April > 09, 2009 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] > IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly what I > did, a couple of times, and neither > > > IE7 or > > > > > > > 8 are > > > > > > > > listed in Add/Remove > programs. I've searched for an > > > Uninstall.exe > > > > > > > file in > > > > > > > > the IE Windows folder > and nothing there, either. If I hadn't > > > > > > gotten > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file by following links > in the IE7 Update dropdown, I'd > > > wonder if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had gone > > > > > > > > to a fake website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Lenny, no, I > haven't gone through the IE customer > > > > > > > service, > > > > > > > > yet. I needed a browser > in order to reach them and so I got > > > a copy > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Firefox from my > daughter, and I've really never looked back, > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and > Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message > ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" > <steve@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To fix IE, go to > www.microsoft.com/downloads and download > > > the > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > package for IE8. Install > it. After it has finished, you can > > > go to > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > Programs in your Control > Panel, and roll back to IE7. This > > > will > > > > > > work, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you got IE8 from the > Microsoft updates, and may work if you > > > just > > > > > > > downloaded > > > > > > > > the program from the > same location I gave you or another > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all others, be very > careful when installing IE8, There > > > have > > > > > > been a > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > of problems reported > with the install. Make sure you have a > > > good > > > > > > > backup of > > > > > > > > your machine before > trying to start, if you feel you > > > absolutely > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > IE8, or don't bother > with it at all until MS gets a fix for > > > the > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > occurring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw the black > column, but I'm using Firefox, now, due to > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that I tried to > update to IE8 a week or so ago and it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > > let me remove it or > go back to IE7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ever go there, > I'm definitely getting the goldfish > > > sent to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > room! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three > Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and > Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original > Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see the > black column on the home page too? I'm > > > about to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > screen shot of the > home page with how it's showing up on > > > my > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > IE7 and the black > column on the left is not showing up on > > > the > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > page of > > > > > > > > > the website. It > does show up when I clicked the Photo & > > > Virtual > > > > > > > Tour > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > though http://www.hotelpal > > > <http://www.hotelpal > <http://www.hotelpalomar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html.> > > > omar-sf.com/palsf_gallery.html. > > > I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has something to do > with the MSXML add-on that the site is > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > add on > > > > > > > > > in my browser, IE7? > But then... why does the black column > > > show > > > > > > up > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other page and not > on the home page for me. Oh well.. I'll > > > leave > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the web page > designers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any > > > articles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39339	From: warrenprint@yahoo.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Len, You must have missed a post.  I did not go with this, I had no choice it came "bottled" with the computer!  I would not take one of these machines if you gave it to me.  I do a lot of picture and video work with some very large files and this does not count all the personal work our machine does. It works.  It does not play games.  It works and we cannot be without one.  64-bit machines?  Fast, sharp everything----if your just starting out, buy one.  If you use a computer hard and have many old files and programs excluding printers and such, stay away from them. Bill --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 6:26 AM > Why did you go with Vista > 64-bit?  The 32-bit Vista OS is far more > compatible with older software.  I haven't used the > 64-bit system but I'm > not sure why you couldn't open files unless they were > proprietary file > suffixes, for example, I occasionally use Print Master to > create flyers or > such and I know those files have proprietary suffixes that > only Print Master > can easily open and/or modify them (although I'm sure there > are 3rd party > apps that also may do it). > > As far as my $500.00 HP laptop with Vista Home Premium, I > have MS Office > 2003 running on it, use IE7, Comodo Internet Security and > other popular > malware scanners and they all work fine.  So far, > everything I've had to use > with it has worked with no problems until the incident at > Kinko's/FEDEX on > Monday night.  I still don't know how they do not have > Vista compatible > internet connection software.  In a way, I'm glad it > wouldn't work since > they want to install software on your computer to even > connect to their > Lapnet network and I personally do NOT like installing > software that I have > not had a chance to vet first.  As far as my printers > go, at least one of my > printers is only two years old so I'm sure it's Vista > compatible.  It's just > a little Canon Pixma iP1600 but it works fine.  It > actually came as a > freebie when I bought my last XP desktop a couple of years > ago and has sat > in the box until my 5 year old HP All-In-One finally > stopped printing > consistently so I've been using the little Canon for the > past few weeks. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! >   > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go > down the tubes..  In > the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too a > point) machine.  > We got it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a > 22” monitor no > less.  Backup  my files onto a portable hard disk and > good to go, NOT! >   > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit > OS there would be > problems, and there were but not the ones I was > expecting.  I could not even > open any of my files.  All being 16 and 32 bit on the > portable drive, it > took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the drive > itself.  Next, the > problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, > that one was easy, > there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP > techs trying to > get driver for our HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true > for the other > printer, high res scanner, and a few others I won’t > list.  That WET system > (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and > all files.  You > will more that likely have driver problems for your > printers and such. >   > The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A > quick call to Dell > this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new > machine BUT, they > are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process > the order until the > 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and all > washed up?  I think > not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order > for a Vista > machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She > laughed and said > that’s not the first time that she hear that one. >   > That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a > quick prayer that the > old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or > so.  If I suddenly > stop posting at least everyone will know why. >   > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" > dealer (that is one > who builds the machines) or go online, generally on the > business side, > looking at the major players--Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. and > look for the XP > option. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here > also.  Old computer > > started to go bad and had to get a new one.  Windows > Vista!  NOT! > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and > scanner, no > compatible drivers! > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external > hard drive but useless > at Windows 64-bit. > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and > hunting for XP Pro. > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39340	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Prices sure have gone up... probably due to basic supply/demand market forces. About two years ago, at Office Depot, I bought an eMachines Desktop with XP Home including monitor and a chincy printer... that I am now using since my main one is acting up... for under $500.00. Of course, the $499.00 computer, without a monitor, does have a lot more computing capacity, bigger HD and XP Pro. If you already own a monitor, make sure it will work with these computers and if yes, go for it. BTW... a long time ago, I was told by a wise sage that when buying a computer, either buy the biggest, baddest, fastest computer you can find or buy the cheapest computer that will do what you need. In either case, they'll both be nearly obsolete in a couple of years anyhow. I firmly believe this to be true and GREAT advice. Needless to say, since I'm not a gamer, I always buy CHEAP since getting that advice! LOL The most I've ever done to any of my puters was maybe add a little more RAM as more memory intensive programs came out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I will keep you posted on the outcome. For now just taking a day here to relax and enjoy my cloudy tank! The last 48 hours were a bit rough on the nerves. The computer goes back tonight and the actual order to Dell forthcoming. We just noticed that staples has 6 "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and buy tonight anything is possible. Here's the link if you would like a look. If you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed. http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM Bill, Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > It has been a nightmare! Our old machine started to go down the > tubes.. In the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too > a point) machine. We got it from Staples, nice machine and great > price with a 22†monitor no less. Backup my files onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there > would be problems, and there were but not the ones I was expecting. > I could not even open any of my files. All being > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get > Vista to recognize the drive itself. Next, the problem I was looking > for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, there are none! > Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver > for our HP Laser Jet, not. The same held true for the other printer, > high res scanner, and a few others I won’t list. That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and all files. You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned. A quick call to > Dell this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine > BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process > the order until the 27th of this month. Windows XP out the window > and all washed up?  I think not. The lady told me she would be glad > to take my order for a Vista machine and I told her, not even if they were free! She laughed and said that’s not the first time that she hear that one. > > That’s the latest here. I have two candles lit and a quick prayer > that the old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or so. > If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will know why. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39341	From: Rhonda	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: HR 669

Most of the fish we keep in our aquariums could soon become illegal to transport or breed. This proposed bill would very soon destroy our hobby entirely. Please check out this very good video concerning HR 669 and then go to the easy to use web site to tell your congressman what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8 http://www.nohr669.com/

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39342	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: I hate stupid people

Okay, I don't hate anyone really but I was sure upset yesterday while at a very large Meijers looking over their fish. There were two young men who were watching the baby oscars. One exclaims to the other "her fish bowl is really big, I don't see why we couldn't get a fish like this for it" ... I had to butt in and tell them they needed to be aware that an oscar should really have a 55g all to himself. The get big and they are dirty so require more space and surely never, ever a bowl of any sort. They turned and looked at me like I was the world's biggest b**** and ignored me in a huff and moved around the corner to some other fish, gouramis and angels. I wanted to puke. Knowing the personelle at those stores don't care enough to ask... I was horrified by the sickening thought that many fish may meet similar fates. I was standing behind them just about the entire time so I could intervien if they tried to make a purchase but my Mom pulled me away. No, I'm not a kid... I'm 40 ... she still drug me away. Poor fish! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39343	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Dear Lenny Whilst this advise is admirable, may I please ask you to upgrade your keyboard, I seem to be missing some letters on your post, they are dropping of the screen as i speak. Mr Moneybags ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Prices sure have gone up... probably due to basic supply/demand market forces. About two years ago, at Office Depot, I bought an eMachines Desktop with XP Home including monitor and a chincy printer... that I am now using since my main one is acting up... for under $500.00. Of course, the $499.00 computer, without a monitor, does have a lot more computing capacity, bigger HD and XP Pro. If you already own a monitor, make sure it will work with these computers and if yes, go for it. BTW... a long time ago, I was told by a wise sage that when buying a computer, either buy the biggest, baddest, fastest computer you can find or buy the cheapest computer that will do what you need. In either case, they'll both be nearly obsolete in a couple of years anyhow. I firmly believe this to be true and GREAT advice. Needless to say, since I'm not a gamer, I always buy CHEAP since getting that advice! LOL The most I've ever done to any of my puters was maybe add a little more RAM as more memory intensive programs came out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I will keep you posted on the outcome. For now just taking a day here to relax and enjoy my cloudy tank! The last 48 hours were a bit rough on the nerves. The computer goes back tonight and the actual order to Dell forthcoming. We just noticed that staples has 6 "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and buy tonight anything is possible. Here's the link if you would like a look. If you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed. http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM Bill, Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > It has been a nightmare! Our old machine started to go down the > tubes.. In the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too > a point) machine. We got it from Staples, nice machine and great > price with a 22†monitor no less. Backup my files onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there > would be problems, and there were but not the ones I was expecting. > I could not even open any of my files. All being > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get > Vista to recognize the drive itself. Next, the problem I was looking > for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, there are none! > Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver > for our HP Laser Jet, not. The same held true for the other printer, > high res scanner, and a few others I won’t list. That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and all files. You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned. A quick call to > Dell this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine > BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process > the order until the 27th of this month. Windows XP out the window > and all washed up?  I think not. The lady told me she would be glad > to take my order for a Vista machine and I told her, not even if they were free! She laughed and said that’s not the first time that she hear that one. > > That’s the latest here. I have two candles lit and a quick prayer > that the old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or so. > If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will know why. > > Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39344	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

LOL... which letters are dropping off? Are you sure it's not your monitor? There's two possible reasons that come to mind... Have you had a blonde temporary secretary recently? You know the old joke... Q - How do you know if a blonde has been using your computer? A - There is 'White-Out' on the monitor! Ba-boom!!! LOL From: http://my.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/humor/blonde2.html Now... if you are reading one of my replies down below someone else's post, there have been a few posters in various Yahoo Groups where their email client drops off the first letter of various words when they are replying to an email. I haven't noticed it recently though so hopefully, whatever was causing that has been fixed. Ooops... a third thing just came to mind. Are you talking about my use of acronyms? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Dear Lenny Whilst this advise is admirable, may I please ask you to upgrade your keyboard, I seem to be missing some letters on your post, they are dropping of the screen as i speak. Mr Moneybags ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) Prices sure have gone up... probably due to basic supply/demand market forces. About two years ago, at Office Depot, I bought an eMachines Desktop with XP Home including monitor and a chincy printer... that I am now using since my main one is acting up... for under $500.00. Of course, the $499.00 computer, without a monitor, does have a lot more computing capacity, bigger HD and XP Pro. If you already own a monitor, make sure it will work with these computers and if yes, go for it. BTW... a long time ago, I was told by a wise sage that when buying a computer, either buy the biggest, baddest, fastest computer you can find or buy the cheapest computer that will do what you need. In either case, they'll both be nearly obsolete in a couple of years anyhow. I firmly believe this to be true and GREAT advice. Needless to say, since I'm not a gamer, I always buy CHEAP since getting that advice! LOL The most I've ever done to any of my puters was maybe add a little more RAM as more memory intensive programs came out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) I will keep you posted on the outcome. For now just taking a day here to relax and enjoy my cloudy tank! The last 48 hours were a bit rough on the nerves. The computer goes back tonight and the actual order to Dell forthcoming. We just noticed that staples has 6 "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and buy tonight anything is possible. Here's the link if you would like a look. If you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed. http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home Bill --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM Bill, Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > It has been a nightmare! Our old machine started to go down the > tubes.. In the meantime the boss thought of a better (and it was too > a point) machine. We got it from Staples, nice machine and great > price with a 22†monitor no less. Backup my files onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there > would be problems, and there were but not the ones I was expecting. > I could not even open any of my files. All being > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get > Vista to recognize the drive itself. Next, the problem I was looking > for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, there are none! > Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver > for our HP Laser Jet, not. The same held true for the other printer, > high res scanner, and a few others I won’t list. That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for everything and all files. You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned. A quick call to > Dell this morning, and yes I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine > BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t even begin to process > the order until the 27th of this month. Windows XP out the window > and all washed up?  I think not. The lady told me she would be glad > to take my order for a Vista machine and I told her, not even if they were free! She laughed and said that’s not the first time that she hear that one. > > That’s the latest here. I have two candles lit and a quick prayer > that the old coffee grinder here keeps going for another month or so. > If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will know why. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: I hate stupid people

Just print up some business cards with our website address and hand them out and leave them laying around the fish supplies and tank area. Maybe something like this... WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR NEW FISH (OR OLD FISH) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I hate stupid people Okay, I don't hate anyone really but I was sure upset yesterday while at a very large Meijers looking over their fish. There were two young men who were watching the baby oscars. One exclaims to the other "her fish bowl is really big, I don't see why we couldn't get a fish like this for it" ... I had to butt in and tell them they needed to be aware that an oscar should really have a 55g all to himself. The get big and they are dirty so require more space and surely never, ever a bowl of any sort. They turned and looked at me like I was the world's biggest b**** and ignored me in a huff and moved around the corner to some other fish, gouramis and angels. I wanted to puke. Knowing the personelle at those stores don't care enough to ask... I was horrified by the sickening thought that many fish may meet similar fates. I was standing behind them just about the entire time so I could intervien if they tried to make a purchase but my Mom pulled me away. No, I'm not a kid... I'm 40 ... she still drug me away. Poor fish! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39346	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

Lenny I have not noticed any letters dropping off here. Sent from my iPod Jimmy On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:59 PM, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39347	From: Kelly	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Pyjama Cardinals - Question about group sizes

I keep reading/hearing conflicting advice on how many Pyjama cardinals you should keep together... We originally started with 5 about 3 1/2 years ago and along the road, due to bad fish choices we lost all but 1 I searched for ages to find some large Pyjama Cardinals to buy that could bump the numbers up to 3, as advised - I wanted large ones like mine that would survive in an established tank with 2 clown fish!! My local aquarium managed to find me 2 large Pyjama Cardinals and I was over the moon - only to discover that 3's a crowd and now I still have 1 unhappy Pyjama cowering behind my powerhead away from the other 2 pyjamas!!!! He seems to be bullied by most of the other fish! I thought that moving my rock around and creating some caves and stuff might make a difference - it did for a few days, all 3 Pyjamas were hanging out together but a few days later poor old billy no mates is back behind the power head!!! I intend to get more pyjamas to solve this problems and want opinions...... should I get just one more and keep an even number or get more and make the numbers up to 5 or 7?? BTW - I have a 200litre tank with 2 clownfish, 2 blue danoes, 1 yellow tang, 2 hermits and leather corals, oh and 3 Pyjama cardinals Thanks Kelly xxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39348	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: I hate stupid people

I wondered why that old lady in Meijer's was dragging the man around by his ear! But hey, with everyone all stressed out by the 11% unemployment rate here, I didn't dare get involved. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ford" <ford@...> Okay, I don't hate anyone really but I was sure upset yesterday while at a very large Meijers looking over their fish. There were two young men who were watching the baby oscars. One exclaims to the other "her fish bowl is really big, I don't see why we couldn't get a fish like this for it" ... I had to butt in and tell them they needed to be aware that an oscar should really have a 55g all to himself. The get big and they are dirty so require more space and surely never, ever a bowl of any sort. They turned and looked at me like I was the world's biggest b**** and ignored me in a huff and moved around the corner to some other fish, gouramis and angels. I wanted to puke. Knowing the personelle at those stores don't care enough to ask... I was horrified by the sickening thought that many fish may meet similar fates. I was standing behind them just about the entire time so I could intervien if they tried to make a purchase but my Mom pulled me away. No, I'm not a kid... I'm 40 ... she still drug me away. Poor fish!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39349	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669

Hi Rhonda, We've been discussing this a LOT out here in the past couple of months. Do a search in the Messages section of HR 669 and you'll find our other threads. PIJAC, an industry trade group has already set up a CAPWIZ page to easily fax your local, State and U.S. politicians telling them to vote NO. You'll see the links in the messages posted to the group. I see the NOHR669.com does a similar thing but from another service instead of CAPWIZ. I guess either are fine although many of the grass-roots political movements and causes that I support use CAPWIZ so I am familiar with it and it seems to work... at least for politicians that care what their constituents are saying. Some get into office and forget their campaign promises and that "words mean something". Can we beat back HR 669? "Yes we can!" Can we beat back a minority of tree-huggers from taking away our jobs and pets? "Yes we can!" Can we eventually get our Local, State and Federal politicians to quit wasting our money and spending it like a bunch of drunken sailors? "Yes we can!" We just need to quit electing tax and spend politicians, get some real fiscally responsible people and throw the rest of the bums into the harbor with cement shoes on... to heck with wasting a perfectly good tea bag! "Yes we CAN!!!!" Yes... I just got back from my local Anti-tax Tea Party. I had lawyer looking dolls, with cement shoes on, that I threw into the swimming pool while the others were throwing their tea into the pool that was set up for that purpose. LOL God Bless America! We really need it! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 Most of the fish we keep in our aquariums could soon become illegal to transport or breed. This proposed bill would very soon destroy our hobby entirely. Please check out this very good video concerning HR 669 and then go to the easy to use web site to tell your congressman what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8 http://www.nohr669.com/

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39350	From: Kelly	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39351	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669

yay i  vote for PORK for 2012....i been seen those TB Conservative protester..yay like DC is going to change..... --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HR 669 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:20 PM Hi Rhonda, We've been discussing this a LOT out here in the past couple of months. Do a search in the Messages section of HR 669 and you'll find our other threads. PIJAC, an industry trade group has already set up a CAPWIZ page to easily fax your local, State and U.S. politicians telling them to vote NO. You'll see the links in the messages posted to the group. I see the NOHR669.com does a similar thing but from another service instead of CAPWIZ. I guess either are fine although many of the grass-roots political movements and causes that I support use CAPWIZ so I am familiar with it and it seems to work... at least for politicians that care what their constituents are saying. Some get into office and forget their campaign promises and that "words mean something". Can we beat back HR 669? "Yes we can!" Can we beat back a minority of tree-huggers from taking away our jobs and pets? "Yes we can!" Can we eventually get our Local, State and Federal politicians to quit wasting our money and spending it like a bunch of drunken sailors? "Yes we can!" We just need to quit electing tax and spend politicians, get some real fiscally responsible people and throw the rest of the bums into the harbor with cement shoes on... to heck with wasting a perfectly good tea bag! "Yes we CAN!!!!" Yes... I just got back from my local Anti-tax Tea Party. I had lawyer looking dolls, with cement shoes on, that I threw into the swimming pool while the others were throwing their tea into the pool that was set up for that purpose. LOL God Bless America! We really need it! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:37 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 Most of the fish we keep in our aquariums could soon become illegal to transport or breed. This proposed bill would very soon destroy our hobby entirely. Please check out this very good video concerning HR 669 and then go to the easy to use web site to tell your congressman what you think. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=_FPfL212CB8 http://www.nohr669. com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39352	From: darlene	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: New Fish

Well I done did it !!! I was at the LPS (actually it wasn't very local being 45 minutes from home and there are others much closer) and they had some lovely weather loaches..... Yup I bought 2 of them. one brown and one much lighter almost golden....... Brought them home and made sure there were no holes in the cover so they could jump out of the tank. They are really active and fun to watch J Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

I am not familiar with the brand, bill, but the components look to be fair. I like that AMD Phenom chip--I've built a couple of machines with it, and it seems to be quick. They look like your ordinary run of the mill white box type machine. I'd read the fine print in the warranty, since it runs 5 years. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bill1433 > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:10 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > I will keep you posted on the outcome.  For now just taking a day here to relax and > enjoy my cloudy tank!  The last 48 hours were a bit rough on the nerves.  The computer goes > back tonight and the actual order to Dell forthcoming.  We just noticed that staples has 6 > "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and buy tonight anything is possible. > Here's the link if you would like a look.  If you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed. > > http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+ > xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > Bill, > > Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than they are telling you. Our average time from > order to receipt is about a week, which is usually 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > > > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine started to go down the tubes..  In the > meantime the > > boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) machine.  We got > > it from Staples, nice machine and great price with a 22â€� monitor no less.  Backup  my > files > > onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and > > there were but not the ones I was expecting.  I could not even open any of my files.  All > being > > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half a day just to get Vista to recognize the > drive > > itself.  Next, the problem I was looking for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, > > there are none!  Was on the phone late last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our > > HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few > > others I won’t list.  That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for > everything > > and all files.  You will more that likely have driver problems for your printers and such. > > > > The new computer is back in the box to be returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and > yes > > I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, they are so busy with them, they can’t > even > > begin to process the order until the 27th of this month.  Windows XP out the window and > all > > washed up?  I think not.  The lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista > > machine and I told her, not even if they were free!  She laughed and said that’s not > the first > > time that she hear that one. > > > > That’s the latest here.  I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old coffee > grinder > > here keeps going for another month or so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone will > > know why. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white box" dealer (that is one who builds the > > machines) or go online, generally on the business side, looking at the major players--Dell, > > Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad > and > > had > > > to get a new one.  Windows Vista!  NOT! > > > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows > 64- > > bit. > > > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > > but I think its OK to say it for this instance. > > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy hunting! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > > presuming > > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > > some > > > > > > > updated articles. I've written about this in computer forums and > > > > I know > > > > > > > others much more knowledgeable than me have also written about it.. > > > > That's > > > > > > > why hackers are trying to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > > corporations, > > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly home computers... BUT... we must still > > > > secure our > > > > > > > lowly home computers to keep them from being taken over and have > > > > them become > > > > > > > part of a computer bot-net which then enables the > > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > > have even more computing power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > > to pwn a > > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So much for the fabled security of using a MAC.. > > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > > all over for > > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > > would need > > > > > > > to be reconfigured a bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > > security > > > > > > > by obscurity, which is never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > > software) are > > > > > > > > updated versions of their previously released operating systems > > > > (and > > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > > before it's > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > out. Will there be problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > > Windows > > > > > > > > compared to Apple. With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > > computer > > > > > > > > configurations, software configurations, etc., that the > > > > operating > > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > > to deal with, whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > > configuration of > > > > > > > > computers and software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > > PC's > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > compared to Apple products... although Apple is starting to open > > > > up > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > system to more cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > > see > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > problems... NO... they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, the overwhelming majority of computer > > > > problems, > > > > > > > > regardless of the brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > > the > > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > > lol), not because of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > > little > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > how to secure their computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > > world and visiting some of the most dangerous places in the > > > > world > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > having a clue about where they are going. Would you do that > > > > with any > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > part of your life? Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > > cars. If folks were to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > > 24/7, > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > fault would it be when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > it be the company that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > > person who > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > the keys in the car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > > would > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > have to over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > > from the > > > > > > > > irresponsible people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > > and > > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > > versions faired much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > > much > > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > > target to hackers and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > > mentality > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hackers where they always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > > this on > > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > > Explorer, > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > but as other browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > > WILL > > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > > attacks and exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > > version > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > > going > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 04:02 > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > > incompatibilities with older software--some of which are not > > > > being > > > > > > > > upgraded for Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > > not > > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > IE or to remove it completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I am not familiar enough to go much further > > > > with a > > > > > > > > Vista base since I have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > > works on > > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > > but nothing seems to be where it should be once you are done > > > > with > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > > I've only > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > Vista Home Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > > just > > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > remotely access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > > streets, > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > > tweaking on it yet other than installing my own preferred > > > > security > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > > to > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > software when it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > > guinea > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > have all the problems and let the software company fix all > > > > the > > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > upgrade! This is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > > EVERY > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > software program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > > security software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > > needed or > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is a security risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > > it ain't broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > > I > > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > anything in IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet.. > > > > When > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > piece of software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > > just a > > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > one), that might be the only thing that would make me > > > > upgrade > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > > booted up > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > > Explorer in either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > > Interesting! I remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > > about Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > > couldn't > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > uninstalled but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > > but > > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > I'm at a standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > > back to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > previous post about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > > on the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > knew what you were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > > when I'm > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > with my usual daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > > a > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > the box (at least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > > computer). What > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > operating system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > > call it > > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > > Programs any longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > > Components > > > > > > > section > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > last time I was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > > that > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > uncheck Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > > you > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > rolling back to your previously installed version. As far as > > > > I > > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > can not completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > > I > > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > > long as it was configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > > use > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > browsers at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > > on the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > > to > > > > > > > > > accomplish anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > > though, so > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > pulling it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think I've looked through every single folder and > > > > subfolder > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > there and no IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > > I > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > out we can't send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------<snip>----------------------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39354	From: Troy	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)

How about monitoring software, beginning with something that would monitor temperature and email you if there was an unacceptable variance? How about a bioload calculator that would calculate allowable livestock for tank size, or vice versa, based on actual species information? No more inch per fish, or two inches for big fish . . . The calculator could also include compatibility information, so one would know right away that three goldfish, two Oscars and a betta would be a bad match for a ten gallon tank. An aquarium safe web cam would be great—place it in the tank to keep an eye on the shrimp and stuff. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...) Troy, What kind of aquarium software are you looking for? WOOO HOOOOO.. at least we somehow morphed this thread back to being about aquariums... albeit aquariums running in a computer. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT The problem with drivers is often with the peripheral manufacturers. Microsoft doesn't make most of the peripheral device drivers. Microsoft puts the driver specifications and for the new OS out well in advance of release and goes to considerable effort to help manufacturers build proper drivers for each release. The peripheral device makers often don't produce new drivers (maybe they want you to buy new stuff). They have less incentive to make sure your camera works on the latest OS than Microsoft. Microsoft wants every device to work on every new release, because it wants you to want its every new release. I have had no problem using old drivers on Vista or 2008, but that is probably luck of what peripherals I have. I still use an HP 4L laser printer that I have had since 1994. It has worked from Windows 3.11 through Windows 2008. Halo 2 doesn't run on 2008, which is quite disappointing. I wish there were some good aquarium software that ran on Windows. Troy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39355	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)

I've not seen or heard of the type of software you describe. Not saying that it is not out there, but, I've not seen it. The stuff I have seen is mainly for record keeping where you do the measurements and make the entries, etc. As for sizing tanks for the fish you want to keep, you would need to go back to a series of articles that were written by Steve Meyer and published in Aquarium Fish Magazine. I believe they appeared in the early to mid-80's. In these articles he lays out the formulae needed to determine how much ammonia and other waste a fish would give out. His work was with koi, but it can easily be applied to other fish. From that you can easily construct a spreadsheet to do the calculations based on your entries, and for your hypothetical situation, it would immediately show that once you placed the betta in there, the tank would go over the top, so the betta would have to go. <g> Then, of course, there are a couple of nice aquarium screensavers. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Troy > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...) > > How about monitoring software, beginning with something that would monitor > temperature and email you if there was an unacceptable variance? > > > > How about a bioload calculator that would calculate allowable livestock for > tank size, or vice versa, based on actual species information? No more inch > per fish, or two inches for big fish . . . The calculator could also include > compatibility information, so one would know right away that three goldfish, > two Oscars and a betta would be a bad match for a ten gallon tank. > > > > An aquarium safe web cam would be great-place it in the tank to keep an eye > on the shrimp and stuff. > > > > t > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:26 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...) > > > > > > > > > Troy, > > What kind of aquarium software are you looking for? > > WOOO HOOOOO.. at least we somehow morphed this thread back to being about > aquariums... albeit aquariums running in a computer. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT > > The problem with drivers is often with the peripheral manufacturers. > Microsoft doesn't make most of the peripheral device drivers. Microsoft > puts the driver specifications and for the new OS out well in advance of > release and goes to considerable effort to help manufacturers build proper > drivers for each release. The peripheral device makers often don't produce > new drivers (maybe they want you to buy new stuff). They have less > incentive to make sure your camera works on the latest OS than Microsoft. > Microsoft wants every device to work on every new release, because it wants > you to want its every new release. > > I have had no problem using old drivers on Vista or 2008, but that is > probably luck of what peripherals I have. I still use an HP 4L laser > printer that I have had since 1994. It has worked from Windows 3.11 through > Windows 2008. > > Halo 2 doesn't run on 2008, which is quite disappointing. > > I wish there were some good aquarium software that ran on Windows. > > Troy >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39356	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@...> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39357	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...)

I have heard of a the X-10 series of home automation controllers. If you do a Google of - X-10 aquarium controller monitor - you'll find many sites. As usual, only go to sites you recognize. I see that MarineDepot.com, a good online retailer, sells some stuff related to this. http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~controllers_neptune_sys tems_aquacontroller_accessories_information.html http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~controllers_neptune_sys tems_aquacontroller.html lists monitors for pH, mV (ORP), Temperature, DO (dissolved oxygen), ... mostly geared for SW tanks but can probably be used on FW also. Then there is this site http://www.draquarium.com/ which is all about "Monitor and Automate Your Aquarium" which uses the X-10 Home Automation modules also. The BEST bioload calculator that I've found is the one that I and a group of other fish keepers came up with a few years ago. Sorry... I never did try to create a spreadsheet based on my calculations but they are listed here.... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html (OUCH... I sprained my shoulder patting myself on the back for this recommendation. LOL) If you are good with spreadsheets and think you can use these guidelines to create a spreadsheet, let me know. I'll help in any way that I can. I use spreadsheets from time to time but I'm certainly no expert with them. I usually have to call my brother when I'm setting one up myself. LOL We can also go into more details if we start a new thread about these guidelines to get more input from the members in this group since those guidelines were based on a collaborative effort from fishkeepers in another forum. My blog article on Fish Compatibility Charts, about 6" down, has some downloadable spreadsheets on compatibility and also a link to some free software from Neale Monks. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html I've seen many folks set up webcams on their tanks... some even live streaming over the net. One of the members in this group did it recently. I forget the members name but it was a thread where he/she set up the webcam to monitor a pair of Rams and their activities in guarding their newly laid eggs in a community tank. They had a live feed set up for the rest of us to watch as well. I haven't seen any in-tank webcams but I have seen articles and websites on the pond side of the hobby where folks had pond-cams so I'm sure those webcams were in some kind of water-tight housing since ponds do not typically have glass sides for easy web-cam viewing from outside the pond. I'm sure there is PLENTY more out there... probably more geared towards much more expensive SW Reef tanks but it should all be applicable to FW tanks as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...) How about monitoring software, beginning with something that would monitor temperature and email you if there was an unacceptable variance? How about a bioload calculator that would calculate allowable livestock for tank size, or vice versa, based on actual species information? No more inch per fish, or two inches for big fish . . . The calculator could also include compatibility information, so one would know right away that three goldfish, two Oscars and a betta would be a bad match for a ten gallon tank. An aquarium safe web cam would be great-place it in the tank to keep an eye on the shrimp and stuff. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Software (was Re: IE*...) Troy, What kind of aquarium software are you looking for? WOOO HOOOOO.. at least we somehow morphed this thread back to being about aquariums... albeit aquariums running in a computer. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) OT The problem with drivers is often with the peripheral manufacturers. Microsoft doesn't make most of the peripheral device drivers. Microsoft puts the driver specifications and for the new OS out well in advance of release and goes to considerable effort to help manufacturers build proper drivers for each release. The peripheral device makers often don't produce new drivers (maybe they want you to buy new stuff). They have less incentive to make sure your camera works on the latest OS than Microsoft. Microsoft wants every device to work on every new release, because it wants you to want its every new release. I have had no problem using old drivers on Vista or 2008, but that is probably luck of what peripherals I have. I still use an HP 4L laser printer that I have had since 1994. It has worked from Windows 3.11 through Windows 2008. Halo 2 doesn't run on 2008, which is quite disappointing. I wish there were some good aquarium software that ran on Windows. Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39358	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39359	From: Wendie	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39360	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Aren't you? From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 16 April 2009 13:09 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39361	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to Whowantsfood or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he and it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on a piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. poor guy/girl :-(. I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I did call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have been a girl. I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39362	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

My Albino Corydora is called Cat because he was the only one I had for a long time. My cherry shrimp are Jacques and Jill. --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Wendie <wendieo@...> wrote: From: Wendie <wendieo@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:17 AM My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblond e%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher" !!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39363	From: bill1433	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity)

As you probably have already supposed, none it the store to even see! They want you to order on line. I got a nice deal from Dell I think. They matched the price and size of things. Could send to you direct for you to look over? Your Call? Bill --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:28 PM > I am not familiar with the brand, > bill, but the components look to be fair. I like that AMD > Phenom chip--I've built a couple of machines with it, and it > seems to be quick. They look like your ordinary run of the > mill white box type machine. I'd read the fine print in the > warranty, since it runs 5 years. > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > bill1433 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:10 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > > > > > I will keep you posted on the outcome.  For now > just taking a day here to relax and > > enjoy my cloudy tank!  The last 48 hours were a bit > rough on the nerves.  The computer goes > > back tonight and the actual order to Dell > forthcoming.  We just noticed that staples has 6 > > "ZT" machines running XP so we might just "grab" and > buy tonight anything is possible. > > Here's the link if you would like a look.  If > you do, your thoughts are, as always, welcomed. > > > > http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesSearch?searchkey=computers+with+windows+ > > > xp&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&fromUrl=home > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must Have > Amenity) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Don't be surprised if you get it a lot quicker than > they are telling you. Our average time from > > order to receipt is about a week, which is usually > 7-10 days earlier than they say it will be. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) > > > > > > Hi \\Steve//!! > > > > > > It has been a nightmare!  Our old machine > started to go down the tubes..  In the > > meantime the > > > boss thought of a better (and it was too a point) > machine.  We got > > > it from Staples, nice machine and great price > with a 22� monitor no less.  > Backup  my > > files > > > onto a portable hard disk and good to go, NOT! > > > > > > I should have known that to jump from 16/32 into > a 64-bit OS there would be problems, and > > > there were but not the ones I was > expecting.  I could not even open any of my > files.  All > > being > > > 16 and 32 bit on the portable drive, it took half > a day just to get Vista to recognize the > > drive > > > itself.  Next, the problem I was looking > for, the drivers for peripherals, that one was easy, > > > there are none!  Was on the phone late > last night with HP techs trying to get driver for our > > > HP Laser Jet, not.  The same held true > for the other printer, high res scanner, and a few > > > others I won’t list.  > That WET system (Windows Easy Transfer) does not work for > > everything > > > and all files.  You will more that likely > have driver problems for your printers and such. > > > > > > The new computer is back in the box to be > returned.  A quick call to Dell this morning, and > > yes > > > I can get Windows XP Pro on a new machine BUT, > they are so busy with them, they can’t > > even > > > begin to process the order until the 27th of this > month.  Windows XP out the window and > > all > > > washed up?  I think not.  The > lady told me she would be glad to take my order for a Vista > > > machine and I told her, not even if they were > free!  She laughed and said that’s > not > > the first > > > time that she hear that one. > > > > > > That’s the latest here.  > I have two candles lit and a quick prayer that the old > coffee > > grinder > > > here keeps going for another month or > so.  If I suddenly stop posting at least everyone > will > > > know why. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: Must > Have Amenity) > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:49 PM > > > > > > > > > To get XP, you will either need to find a "white > box" dealer (that is one who builds the > > > machines) or go online, generally on the business > side, looking at the major players--Dell, > > > Lenovo, HP, etc. and look for the XP option. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > > bill1433 > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:52 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: > Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > Hi Steve! > > > > > > > > That's the best one yet!  It really > pertains here also.  Old computer started to go bad > > and > > > had > > > > to get a new one.  Windows > Vista!  NOT! > > > > > > > > File conversation a nightmare, lost both > printers and scanner, no compatible drivers! > > > > Family record?  Thank Heaven on an > Imoga external hard drive but useless at Windows > > 64- > > > bit. > > > > > > > > Needles to say, the computer is being > returned and hunting for XP Pro. > > > > > > > > I know, they always say "Never say Never" > > > > but I think its OK to say it for this > instance. > > > > Will be a bit until I can answer, busy > hunting! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* (was: > Must Have Amenity) > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > > > Donna Ransome > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > I'll bite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:47 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More usually it is a PICNIC error. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com] > > > > > On Behalf Of ED > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:44 > AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: IE* > (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget the dreaded "ID 10 T" > error for windows. LMAO > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" > <steve@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pwn = own. Hacker term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, > 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW... I didn't see > anything yet about this years conference. I'm > > > > > presuming > > > > > > > > "pwn" was supposed to be > "own"... right? I'll have to Google for > > > > > some > > > > > > > > updated articles. I've > written about this in computer forums and > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > others much more > knowledgeable than me have also written about it.. > > > > > That's > > > > > > > > why hackers are trying > to break into the Pentagon, banks, big > > > > > corporations, > > > > > > > > etc.... now our lowly > home computers... BUT... we must still > > > > > secure our > > > > > > > > lowly home computers to > keep them from being taken over and have > > > > > them become > > > > > > > > part of a computer > bot-net which then enables the > > > > > hackers/spammers/etc. to > > > > > > > > have even more computing > power to do their dirty deeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com] > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, > 2009 5:44 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this year's Black Hat > conference, it took a person 10 seconds > > > > > to pwn a > > > > > > > > MAC, using Safari. So > much for the fabled security of using a MAC.. > > > > > > > > Believe me, once the MAC > reaches a certain critical mass, it is > > > > > all over for > > > > > > > > it. Most of the hacks > for *nix systems will work against a MAC, > > > > > would need > > > > > > > > to be reconfigured a > bit, but no great shakes. MAC owners practice > > > > > security > > > > > > > > by obscurity, which is > never a good practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April > 10, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure > that ALL computer operating systems (and > > > > > software) are > > > > > > > > > updated versions of > their previously released operating systems > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > software). ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't fall for all > of the Mac-whack's attacks on Windows 7 > > > > > before it's > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > out. Will there be > problems? YES! That's the problem with > > > > > Windows > > > > > > > > > compared to Apple. > With PC's, there are countless numbers of > > > > > computer > > > > > > > > > configurations, > software configurations, etc., that the > > > > > operating > > > > > > > > system has > > > > > > > > > to deal with, > whereas, Apple has a much more limited > > > > > configuration of > > > > > > > > > computers and > software to deal with. It's the trade-off that > > > > > PC's > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > compared to Apple > products... although Apple is starting to open > > > > > up > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > system to more > cloning and add-ons... and as they do, they'll > > > > > see > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > problems... NO... > they've already seen similar problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides the above, > the overwhelming majority of computer > > > > > problems, > > > > > > > > > regardless of the > brand, are a result of the BBITC (big butt in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chair.. > > > > > > > > > lol), not because > of the computer. If folks would just learn a > > > > > little > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > how to secure their > computers, the rest of us wouldn't have to > > > > > > > > over-protect > > > > > > > > > ours. Folks buy a > computer and get on the internet and start > > > > > > > > traveling the > > > > > > > > > world and visiting > some of the most dangerous places in the > > > > > world > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > having a clue about > where they are going. Would you do that > > > > > with any > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > part of your life? > Why do it with a computer? I often compare > > > > > > > > computers to > > > > > > > > > cars. If folks were > to leave their cars unlocked and running > > > > > 24/7, > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > fault would it be > when their cars are stolen, wrecked, damaged, > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > Would > > > > > > > > > it be the company > that built the car? NO! It would be the > > > > > person who > > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > > the keys in the > car, the doors unlocked, etc. So the rest of us > > > > > would > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > have to > over-protect and insure our cars to protect ourselves > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > irresponsible > people. Same with computers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In recent years > security and hacking contests, Windows Vista HP > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Pro > > > > > > > > > versions faired > much better than Mac's OSX operating system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pcworld. > > > > > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t> > > > > > > com/article/131378/contest_winner_vista_more_secure_t > > > > > > > > han_ > > > > > > > > > mac_os.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://blogs. > > > > > <http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x> > > > > > > computerworld.com/five_reasons_why_vista_beats_mac_os_x > > > > > > > > > http://news. <http://news.cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html> > > > > > cnet.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mac's gain > popularity, they will only see themselves become a > > > > > much > > > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > > > target to hackers > and malware. It's the Davey vs. Goliath > > > > > mentality > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hackers where they > always go after the BIG FISH (there, I kept > > > > > this on > > > > > > > > > topic! lol). Right > now, the BIG FISH is Microsoft, Internet > > > > > Explorer, > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > but as other > browsers (i.e. - Firefox) gain market share, they > > > > > WILL > > > > > > > > see more > > > > > > > > > attacks and > exploits on their browser. It's already happening! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > > referenced in above > reply are listed on the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups..com] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Wendie > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April > 10, 2009 8:01 AM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard from > good sources that Windows 7 is just an updated > > > > > version > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Vista. > > > > > > > > > Wendie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original > Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: Kelly > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April > 10, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hubby tried > Vista and had loads of problems and ended up > > > > > going > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > > xxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Steve > Szabo > > > > > > > > > Sent: 10 April 2009 > 04:02 > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We still do not > recommend Vista to our clients. Still too many > > > > > > > > > incompatibilities > with older software--some of which are not > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > upgraded for > Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been rumored > that Windows 7 will allow one to either > > > > > not > > > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > > IE or to remove it > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you, Lenny, I > am not familiar enough to go much further > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > Vista base since I > have not done much work with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other > thing I can suggest is to reinstall IE7. It > > > > > works on > > > > > > > > XP, > > > > > > > > > but nothing seems > to be where it should be once you are done > > > > > with > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. Dang... I > still consider myself a newbie with Vista. > > > > > I've only > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > Vista Home > Premium laptop for around six months and mainly > > > > > just > > > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > remotely > access my desktop computer when I'm out in the > > > > > streets, > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > free LogMeIn > software. Since it's still under warranty, I > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > > done much > > > > > > > > > > tweaking on it > yet other than installing my own preferred > > > > > security > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > and firewall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, > you've learned a valuable lesson... NEVER upgrade > > > > > to > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > software when > it first comes out. Wait for all the other > > > > > guinea > > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > have all the > problems and let the software company fix all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bugs.. > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > upgrade! This > is not only applicable to Microsoft but nearly > > > > > EVERY > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > software > program. About the only thing I upgrade/update > > > > > > > > religiously > > > > > > > > > is my > > > > > > > > > > security > software. Everything else only gets updated as > > > > > needed or > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is a security > risk with my current version. You know the old > > > > > > > > > saying... "If > > > > > > > > > > it ain't > broke, don't fix it!". IE7 works fine in Vista and > > > > > I > > > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > anything in > IE8 that would make me want to change to it yet.. > > > > > When > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > piece of > software comes with a good looking babe (and not > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > > one), that > might be the only thing that would make me > > > > > upgrade > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this talk > about Vista is making me fire up my laptop. > > > > > I'll BRB > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > comment > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK.. I'm back. > Bet you didn't know a computer could be > > > > > booted up > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.. I now > see what you are talking about. No mention of > > > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > > > > Explorer in > either the Programs & Features or in the Windows > > > > > > > > Features > > > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting! I > remember there was a lot of squawking by the > > > > > > > > > competition > > > > > > > > > > about > Microsoft imbedding IE into Vista so deeply that it > > > > > couldn't > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > uninstalled > but I thought the Court's ruled against that.. > > > > > but > > > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > I'm at a > standstill of advice now and would suggest you go > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > previous post > about contacting Microsoft Tech Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny > Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using > Vista. I was actually in, "Programs and Features," > > > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > knew what you > were referring to. I'll have a check online > > > > > when I'm > > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > with my usual > daily stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the > Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, > and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original > Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Lenny > V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should > be a box/line that says Internet Explorer with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > the box (at > least that's how it's looking on my XP > > > > > computer). What > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > operating > system.. I'm presuming XP since Vista does not > > > > > call it > > > > > > > > > Add/Remove > > > > > > > > > > Programs any > longer and I never noticed the Windows > > > > > Components > > > > > > > > section > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > last time I > was in that part of Vista. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty > sure, but look for a web page that gives details, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > uncheck > Internet Explorer and Apply/OK, it will then walk > > > > > you > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > rolling back > to your previously installed version. As far as > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > can not > completely uninstall IE on XP... maybe on Vista but > > > > > I > > > > > > > > liked > > > > > > > > > IE6 (as > > > > > > > > > > long as it was > configured safely) and I like IE7 so I do not > > > > > use > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > browsers at > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny > Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any > articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > side, > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: > AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] IE* (was: Must Have Amenity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into > the Windows components before, but wasn't able > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > accomplish > anything there. I can't remember what I did, > > > > > though, so > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > pulling it up > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I think > I've looked through every single folder and > > > > > subfolder > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > there and no > IE7, 8 or anything. On the bright side, I think > > > > > I > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > out we can't > send print jobs to my printer from the laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DebR and the > Three Goldfish > > > > > > > > > > (CB, Lucille, > and Raven) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------<snip>---------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39364	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he has a spikey hair cut ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to Whowantsfood > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their > names > are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he and > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named > Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on a > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > poor guy/girl :-(. > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I did > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > been a girl. > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Wendie > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-eye > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > Your kidding right? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your > fish - and why? > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've > had > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > Love Kelly > xxxxxxxxxx > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39365	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Lenny We had a goldfish choke on gravel too – I had to hold him in the water and help it out of his mouth with a cocktail stick!! I think he knew we were trying to help cause he didn't put up a fight Strangely he survived and is still going strong!! Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 April 2009 15:15 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to Whowantsfood or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he and it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on a piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. poor guy/girl :-(. I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I did call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have been a girl. I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39366	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he has > a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their > > names > > are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named > > Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three > > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your > > fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've > > had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very > > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39367	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Oh yeah. They're such little piggies. I've come close to having to do the Heimlich a few times over the years. Usually when they see the net coming, they figure out how to spit the darn piece of gravel out. They seem to be able to live quite a while after getting something jammed in their mouth but I guess eventually the reduced water flow over their gills results in them suffocating. Recently, in another thread, there was an article about a BIG catfish that got a basketball stuck in it's mouth and a local fisherman was able to get it close to shore and then cut a hole in the basketball to let the air out and the catfish swam away. Who knows how long that catfish bobbed around with it's lips sticking out the water since it couldn't bring the air-filled basketball down under the water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Lenny We had a goldfish choke on gravel too - I had to hold him in the water and help it out of his mouth with a cocktail stick!! I think he knew we were trying to help cause he didn't put up a fight Strangely he survived and is still going strong!! Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 April 2009 15:15 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to Whowantsfood or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he and it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on a piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. poor guy/girl :-(. I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I did call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have been a girl. I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39368	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

No, sir. My rats will tell you I name everything that moves in this house. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: Menagerie_Manager LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39369	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Sorry to appear blonde Is Pugnacious a real word? If so what does it mean? From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 16 April 2009 17:30 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he has > a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their > > names > > are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named > > Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three > > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your > > fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've > > had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very > > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39370	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

My fish often suck up gravel and after a while they manage to spit it back out, but this particular time he'd gone hours and seemed in distress My husband said he couldn't believe I was fretting over a goldfish – then he couldn't believe the fish co-operated and let me hold him and pop the gravel out of his mouth!! From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 April 2009 17:56 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Oh yeah. They're such little piggies. I've come close to having to do the Heimlich a few times over the years. Usually when they see the net coming, they figure out how to spit the darn piece of gravel out. They seem to be able to live quite a while after getting something jammed in their mouth but I guess eventually the reduced water flow over their gills results in them suffocating. Recently, in another thread, there was an article about a BIG catfish that got a basketball stuck in it's mouth and a local fisherman was able to get it close to shore and then cut a hole in the basketball to let the air out and the catfish swam away. Who knows how long that catfish bobbed around with it's lips sticking out the water since it couldn't bring the air-filled basketball down under the water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Lenny We had a goldfish choke on gravel too - I had to hold him in the water and help it out of his mouth with a cocktail stick!! I think he knew we were trying to help cause he didn't put up a fight Strangely he survived and is still going strong!! Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 April 2009 15:15 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to Whowantsfood or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he and it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on a piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. poor guy/girl :-(. I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I did call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have been a girl. I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wendie Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: red-eye To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39371	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pugnacious Sounds like a typical male Betta to me. ;-) Heck, I may have been known to be pugnacious from time to time. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Sorry to appear blonde Is Pugnacious a real word? If so what does it mean? From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 16 April 2009 17:30 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he > has a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but > > their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she > > or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was > > named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking > > to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... > > I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > > Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given > > your fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - > > I've had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > > very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39372	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Thanks – what a cool word xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 16 April 2009 20:24 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pugnacious Sounds like a typical male Betta to me. ;-) Heck, I may have been known to be pugnacious from time to time. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Sorry to appear blonde Is Pugnacious a real word? If so what does it mean? From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 16 April 2009 17:30 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he > has a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but > > their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she > > or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was > > named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking > > to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... > > I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > > Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given > > your fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - > > I've had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > > very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39373	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Actually I name the rocks - the fish & plants already have names Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Aren't you? From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 16 April 2009 13:09 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Your kidding right? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> sky.com> I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your fish - and why? I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've had a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! Please let us know the names for your fishies Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39374	From: betti@optonline.net	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

At first I thought, that's silly, who names their fish? But then i thought about it and realized I do name some of my fish, especially the koi in the pond. One is named Phanthom, he is mostly black so you don't see him until all of a sudden, dadum, there he is...and he is big! Then there is angel (a white butterfly koi with long fins), Goldfinger & Goldie who were previously named (yellow koi), Big Blue (a koi with a lot of blue on him), Ugly (one of our babies from a couple of years ago that just didn't turn out pretty at all, but we still love him), Dotty (a fancy goldfish who is white with orange polka dots all over her), and yes there are others. Sigh, I guess I do name my fish. betti ----- Original Message ----- From: sandi turner Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:20 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > My Albino Corydora is called Cat because he was the only one I > had for a long time. My cherry shrimp are Jacques and Jill. > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Wendie wrote: > > From: Wendie > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > > > > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-eye > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > Your kidding right? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a > red > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and > is named > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is > very social > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on > Totally Raven. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" sky.com> > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > Three > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have > given your > fish - and why? > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother > Contestants - I've had > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > very > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher" !!!! > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > Love Kelly > xxxxxxxxxx > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39375	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

As well as my other fishies names I just realised, embrasingly, that without realising it I call my Yellow Tang "Bubbles" and the male clownfish "Nemo" How sad am I? I do have kids so I suppose that excuses me Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of betti@... Sent: 16 April 2009 20:38 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! At first I thought, that's silly, who names their fish? But then i thought about it and realized I do name some of my fish, especially the koi in the pond. One is named Phanthom, he is mostly black so you don't see him until all of a sudden, dadum, there he is...and he is big! Then there is angel (a white butterfly koi with long fins), Goldfinger & Goldie who were previously named (yellow koi), Big Blue (a koi with a lot of blue on him), Ugly (one of our babies from a couple of years ago that just didn't turn out pretty at all, but we still love him), Dotty (a fancy goldfish who is white with orange polka dots all over her), and yes there are others. Sigh, I guess I do name my fish. betti ----- Original Message ----- From: sandi turner Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:20 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > My Albino Corydora is called Cat because he was the only one I > had for a long time. My cherry shrimp are Jacques and Jill. > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Wendie wrote: > > From: Wendie > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > > > > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-eye > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > Your kidding right? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a > red > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and > is named > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is > very social > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on > Totally Raven. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" sky.com> > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > Three > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have > given your > fish - and why? > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother > Contestants - I've had > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > very > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher" !!!! > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > Love Kelly > xxxxxxxxxx > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39376	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Sorry to spoil your day Lenny :-)

_http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/rush_limbaugh_rec ords_audio_041409.html_ (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/rush_limbaugh_records_audio_041409.html) Looks like even Rush is supporting HSUS Joey **************Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39377	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <atomicblonde@...> wrote: > A lot of my fish don't have names, but I have a chinese butterfly loach who is very energetic, and looks a little flounder-like. I call him Zippy Scuttleflounder. Some times I go with themes. I've had schools where I named everyone after all the counties in the state, or a pair of red tailed sharks named Izvestia and Pravda. (That was a long time ago... if you recognize the names).

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39378	From: bill1433	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Late Bulletin On The Computer Question!

For those upset or torn apart because they have computer woe’s and do not want to change to the nightmare Vista quagmire; here is some hope at a price that will not kill you.  We found this today at Wally-World.   http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10858496   Now folks if you are a gamer or extremely high powered user this system will be of little use.  Its really only to keep your self’s out of the fire until they get Windows 7 off of the ground or anything other than Vista.  I am hopeful that this new offering with provide the needed drivers for peripherals and some type of file transfer system to convert files  into 64-bit, without someone losing their mind over it..  But in the meantime this machine should hold you over.  Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Sorry to spoil your day Lenny :-)

Something that Rush does or doesn't do can't spoil my day. I like him and agree with much of what he says but he is still only human and subject to make mistakes. This may or may not be one of them. We'll have to wait and see. Read on... If you look at the two spots he did, in context, he's actually for US, not some of HSUS' leftist leaning positions. I also wonder if maybe he HAD to do these spots as part of community service for his pain-pill plea bargain. I Googled around to see if there were any kinds of ties to community service but couldn't find any... but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Most of the time, celebrities have to do various community service PSA's and such when they make mistakes or commit crimes. It seems his probationary period ended back in 2007 so maybe these were just his way of getting some right-thinking folks onto the Board of HSUS. You know that if these weren't a condition of probation, then he might have worked something out with HSUS to have some right-thinking folks put on their Board Of Directors instead of all the left-thinking folks who were on it. Here's the full press release from HSUS: Rush Limbaugh has recorded two statements of support for The Humane Society of the United States and its work to protect animals from cruelty and abuse: The first spot is on our partnerships with law enforcement agencies across the country to crack down on organized dog fighting and other animal cruelty crimes. Lenny's reply: I agree with this. The second is on our outreach to communities of faith, and the moral obligation that we have to be good stewards of God's creatures. Lenny's reply: I agree with this... and besides, Rush doing ads for HSUS will actually diminish their support from the left-wing since you know the left's blood must be boiling that HSUS is allowing Rush Limbaugh to be a spokesperson... and then mentioning God in the ad... I'm sure some on the left were cringing. You know the old saying, "There's method in my madness!" LOL The HSUS welcomes such vigorous statements of support from Americans of all points of view, and is grateful to Rush Limbaugh for reaching out to his audience with a message of kindness and compassion for animals. Like two-thirds of American households, Rush shares his home with a beloved pet - his cat, Punkin. The HSUS is a nonpartisan organization dedicated to making ours a kinder world for animals. Among our 11 million supporters - one in every 28 Americans - are Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Lenny's reply: HSUS lists Republicans first... I'm sure that made the left's blood boil also. LOL (END OF PRESS RELEASE) This may not be much different than Rush's campaign for Republicans to support Hillary in the Democratic Primary to keep Hillary and Obama pounding away each other. You just never know what Rush might be up to. LOL The more I think about this and how the left is cringing... you actually just made my day! THANKS!!! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Sorry to spoil your day Lenny :-) _http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/rush_limbaugh_rec ords_audio_041409.html_ (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/rush_limbaugh_rec ords_audio_041409.html) Looks like even Rush is supporting HSUS Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39380	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I just call mine "Dinner" ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! As well as my other fishies names I just realised, embrasingly, that without realising it I call my Yellow Tang "Bubbles" and the male clownfish "Nemo" How sad am I? I do have kids so I suppose that excuses me Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of betti@... Sent: 16 April 2009 20:38 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! At first I thought, that's silly, who names their fish? But then i thought about it and realized I do name some of my fish, especially the koi in the pond. One is named Phanthom, he is mostly black so you don't see him until all of a sudden, dadum, there he is...and he is big! Then there is angel (a white butterfly koi with long fins), Goldfinger & Goldie who were previously named (yellow koi), Big Blue (a koi with a lot of blue on him), Ugly (one of our babies from a couple of years ago that just didn't turn out pretty at all, but we still love him), Dotty (a fancy goldfish who is white with orange polka dots all over her), and yes there are others. Sigh, I guess I do name my fish. betti ----- Original Message ----- From: sandi turner Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:20 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > My Albino Corydora is called Cat because he was the only one I > had for a long time. My cherry shrimp are Jacques and Jill. > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Wendie wrote: > > From: Wendie > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > > > > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-eye > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > Your kidding right? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a > red > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and > is named > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is > very social > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on > Totally Raven. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" sky.com> > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > Three > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have > given your > fish - and why? > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother > Contestants - I've had > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > very > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher" !!!! > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > Love Kelly > xxxxxxxxxx > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39381	From: Jerry	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Pending Legislation that will Impact the Aquarium Hobby -Info and Vi

Might be a good link to send to all of your pet-owning friends as it addresses the issue from a pet-owner perspective and is a little more entertaining than the normal legal alerts. This has some very compelling statistics on what this could mean to the US economy. http://www.youtube com/watch? v=_FPfL212CB8 If you wish to make your voice known in regard to this bill follow link below. Found this link on another group I'm in and thought it might be of use to assist you incontacting your Congressman. http://www.nohr669 com/dosomething. htm

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39382	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

In addition to their given names. my three do have nicknames: Sushi1, Sushi2, and Sushi3. heheh! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I just call mine "Dinner"

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39383	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Late Bulletin On The Computer Question!

Now that is my kind of deal! Under $400.00 for an entire system, including monitor! eMachines is owned and made by Gateway. When I run the Belarc Advisor on my eMachines computer, it recognizes it as a Gateway. Just check your warranty before getting rid of all of the junk software that come with them. That Wild Tangent games software is known to be spyware so don't even activate it and if it doesn't affect your warranty, get rid of it. I'd get rid of the Norton 360 without activating it also. You could go with Comodo Internet Security (with the Proactive Defense and Firewall both set to Safe Mode), which is completely FREE and much less of a resource hog compared to Norton 360. Then run your weekly updates and/or scans with SpywareBlaster, SpyBot (don't forget to Immunize after each update), MalwareBytes and A-Squared Free (all FREE) and you will be as safe and secure as a Pentagon computer... oh wait.. you'll be more secure than the Pentagon. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:47 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Late Bulletin On The Computer Question! For those upset or torn apart because they have computer woe’s and do not want to change to the nightmare Vista quagmire; here is some hope at a price that will not kill you.  We found this today at Wally-World.   http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10858496   Now folks if you are a gamer or extremely high powered user this system will be of little use.  Its really only to keep your self’s out of the fire until they get Windows 7 off of the ground or anything other than Vista.  I am hopeful that this new offering with provide the needed drivers for peripherals and some type of file transfer system to convert files  into 64-bit, without someone losing their mind over it..  But in the meantime this machine should hold you over.  Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39384	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Yep. It means having a quarrelsome or belligerent nature : thriving on challenge : AGGRESSIVE, TRUCULENT *bushpigs are most courageous and pugnacious animals T capable of putting up a successful fight even against a leopard James Stevenson-Hamilton* *pugnacious spirits T lamented that there was so little prospect of an exhilarating disturbance Herman Melville* *equally pugnacious when it came to fighting for human rights P.V.D.Stern* *not a pugnacious enough mediocrity to earn a larger salary. Lenny has been know to be a real pug _ aka God like .. LMAOROTF Sorry dude – could not pass it up. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Sorry to appear blonde Is Pugnacious a real word? If so what does it mean? From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 16 April 2009 17:30 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he has > a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but their > > names > > are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was named > > Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com<http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the Three > > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given your > > fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - I've > > had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and very > > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39385	From: Jerry	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: HR669

For anyyone not familiar with the proposed bill it can be found at http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39386	From: red-eye	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I have 0.1.1 kids & they have names! Folks used to ask me the names of my water turtles I would pick one up and give the Latin name & they would look at me funny. Then I would tell them the common name .. Until I finally said it is a lot easier to just call them call them turtles. ;-> Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! As well as my other fishies names I just realised, embrasingly, that without realising it I call my Yellow Tang "Bubbles" and the male clownfish "Nemo" How sad am I? I do have kids so I suppose that excuses me Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of betti@optonline. <mailto:betti%40optonline.net> net Sent: 16 April 2009 20:38 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! At first I thought, that's silly, who names their fish? But then i thought about it and realized I do name some of my fish, especially the koi in the pond. One is named Phanthom, he is mostly black so you don't see him until all of a sudden, dadum, there he is...and he is big! Then there is angel (a white butterfly koi with long fins), Goldfinger & Goldie who were previously named (yellow koi), Big Blue (a koi with a lot of blue on him), Ugly (one of our babies from a couple of years ago that just didn't turn out pretty at all, but we still love him), Dotty (a fancy goldfish who is white with orange polka dots all over her), and yes there are others. Sigh, I guess I do name my fish. betti ----- Original Message ----- From: sandi turner Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:20 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > My Albino Corydora is called Cat because he was the only one I > had for a long time. My cherry shrimp are Jacques and Jill. > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Wendie wrote: > > From: Wendie > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:17 AM > > > > > > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > Wendie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-eye > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > Your kidding right? > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a > red > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and > is named > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is > very social > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on > Totally Raven. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" sky.com> > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > Three > Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have > given your > fish - and why? > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother > Contestants - I've had > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > very > aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher" !!!! > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > Love Kelly > xxxxxxxxxx > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39387	From: Gail	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

what a fun topic!! I have a lot of fish, I started naming most of them. I stopped when I got schooling fish, because I couldn't tell them apart. I have; A blue Cichlid (species and name i forgot). his name is Blue I have an electric yellow cichlid - her name is Kayla A kenyi cichlid - named Sam A male Convict - named Ratchet - my cichlid tank started out as a Transformers themed name tank.lol female convict - Chase Jr. Geo. Surinamus - Tony the Troublemaker my Oto - Squiggy (I call all my Otos this) BP - Cheeky Gold Severum - Peach Bala shark lg - Spock Bala Shark sm - Bowie white molly - Snow White lg BLue Gourami - Wilbur sm Blue Gourami - Andy 3 Black skirt tetras - Tic, Tac & Toe 2 Rosy BArbs - Spit & Spot When your kids are watching Disney movies all the time... you get ideas :) I am sure I have more names... I just cannot remember them. Except one more Oscar - the betta (for being Oscar the Grouch)lol -gail

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39388	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Which reminds me of a programme I watched the other night on BBC3 UK TV, about a guy in japan doing a thing on the Japanese fish industry and sushi, one Japanese guy paid 15,360 odd UK pounds for one dead blue fin tuna which he promptly cut up for sushi, how mad is that, and I moaned at paying 20UK pounds for a clown fish the other week!!!. Mind you the worst bit was when they tried to get his interpreter to eat what turned out to be fermented sushi that was rancid and 6 months old. The guy near emptied his stomach and he was a japanese native !!!. ----- Original Message ----- From: Menagerie_Manager To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! In addition to their given names. my three do have nicknames: Sushi1, Sushi2, and Sushi3. heheh! DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I just call mine "Dinner" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39389	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Pugnacious, yes! God-like? Naaahhh.... well.. maybe once or twice. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Yep. It means having a quarrelsome or belligerent nature : thriving on challenge : AGGRESSIVE, TRUCULENT *bushpigs are most courageous and pugnacious animals T capable of putting up a successful fight even against a leopard James Stevenson-Hamilton* *pugnacious spirits T lamented that there was so little prospect of an exhilarating disturbance Herman Melville* *equally pugnacious when it came to fighting for human rights P.V.D.Stern* *not a pugnacious enough mediocrity to earn a larger salary. Lenny has been know to be a real pug _ aka God like ... LMAOROTF Sorry dude - could not pass it up. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Sorry to appear blonde Is Pugnacious a real word? If so what does it mean? From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: 16 April 2009 17:30 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! My Betta is called Pug, short for Pugnacious. On 4/16/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > wrote: > > > > I've only named my Severum so far, I call him Spike, cuz when he's > curious or hungry he raises his top fin forward and it looks like he > has a spikey hair cut ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > My cherry shrimp aren't named... well except for Cherry Shrimp. ;-) > > > > My goldfish do have names although they all seem to answer to > Whowantsfood > > or Whoshungry so I'm not sure they know their real names... but > > their names are classics like Goldie, Cali... not sure if he's a she > > or she's a he > and > > it's named Cali since it has calico coloration. The third one was > > named Black-Eye, who had one black eye but s/he died after choking > > to death on > a > > piece of gravel that was big enough to get in his/her mouth but s/he > > apparently couldn't get it out and I was out of the house for 12 hours.. > > poor guy/girl :-(. > > > > I've never named any of my tropical fish... well I take that back... > > I > did > > call my adopted/rescued common pleco, Mr. Pleco... although it could have > > been a girl. > > > > I did have names for some of my bigger pond goldfish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com<http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/>< > http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Wendie > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > My big oscar is called Killer with his smaller friend Killer Jr. > > Wendie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-eye > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > Your kidding right? > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com > > <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>>] > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:27 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%2540yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! > > > > LOL! My three are named after actresses. Lucille is white with a red > > head spot, so she's named after Lucille Ball. CB is all gold and is named > > after Carol Burnett. Raven is, I believe, a black moor and is very social > > and curious. When I watch her, I think of Raven Symone on Totally Raven. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@ <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com<atomicblonde%2540sky.com>> > sky.com> > > > > I just saw a reply to "I hate Stupid People" post: "DebR and the > > Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)" > > > > It made me chuckle and wonder what other names you guys have given > > your fish - and why? > > > > I've mostly named goldfish - mostly after Big Brother Contestants - > > I've had > > > > a Carol - she was grumpy fish, and a Black Moor that we named "Victor" > > > > One of my clownfish is called "Bitch" because she is a bitch and > > very aggressive when I put my hand in the tank > > > > My smallest Pyjama Cardinal is "PJ" > > > > My Blue hermit crab is called "Herman" - named by hubby > > > > My red hermit crab is called "Scarlet" - very original > > > > We had an Arrow Crab who was called "Child-Catcher"!!!! > > > > Please let us know the names for your fishies > > > > Love Kelly > > xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39390	From: Kelly	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Gail – do you remember all these names or have to write them down near the tank to remind yourself!!! LOL Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: 16 April 2009 22:57 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! what a fun topic!! I have a lot of fish, I started naming most of them. I stopped when I got schooling fish, because I couldn't tell them apart. I have; A blue Cichlid (species and name i forgot). his name is Blue I have an electric yellow cichlid - her name is Kayla A kenyi cichlid - named Sam A male Convict - named Ratchet - my cichlid tank started out as a Transformers themed name tank.lol female convict - Chase Jr. Geo. Surinamus - Tony the Troublemaker my Oto - Squiggy (I call all my Otos this) BP - Cheeky Gold Severum - Peach Bala shark lg - Spock Bala Shark sm - Bowie white molly - Snow White lg BLue Gourami - Wilbur sm Blue Gourami - Andy 3 Black skirt tetras - Tic, Tac & Toe 2 Rosy BArbs - Spit & Spot When your kids are watching Disney movies all the time... you get ideas :) I am sure I have more names... I just cannot remember them. Except one more Oscar - the betta (for being Oscar the Grouch)lol -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39391	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I somehow imagine her with one of them flip open Credit card wallets the type that you flip the wrist and they all unfold, with piccies of the fish too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Gail - do you remember all these names or have to write them down near the tank to remind yourself!!! LOL Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: 16 April 2009 22:57 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! what a fun topic!! I have a lot of fish, I started naming most of them. I stopped when I got schooling fish, because I couldn't tell them apart. I have; A blue Cichlid (species and name i forgot). his name is Blue I have an electric yellow cichlid - her name is Kayla A kenyi cichlid - named Sam A male Convict - named Ratchet - my cichlid tank started out as a Transformers themed name tank.lol female convict - Chase Jr. Geo. Surinamus - Tony the Troublemaker my Oto - Squiggy (I call all my Otos this) BP - Cheeky Gold Severum - Peach Bala shark lg - Spock Bala Shark sm - Bowie white molly - Snow White lg BLue Gourami - Wilbur sm Blue Gourami - Andy 3 Black skirt tetras - Tic, Tac & Toe 2 Rosy BArbs - Spit & Spot When your kids are watching Disney movies all the time... you get ideas :) I am sure I have more names... I just cannot remember them. Except one more Oscar - the betta (for being Oscar the Grouch)lol -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39392	From: Shannon Byers	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

Hello all. I have a blood parrot cichlid named Bubba Fat Fish, 2 Plecos named Hoover & Oreck (Oreck is lighter colored lol), Bala Shark named Lenny, Tiger Barb named Squiggy, and 3 guppies named Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner because that's what they will be should Bubba or Lenny decide to eat them!!!   Also have a second tank I'm babysitting for my sister with a Black Moor named Piglet, Red & White Oranda named Afro, betta named Homer J., and 3 ghost shrimp I have nicknamed Huey, Dewey & Louie.   I've been keeping fish for about 20 years now, and I always name them, just doesn't seem right not too! I try to think of unique names, if not somewhat sarcastic at times! BTW, also have a cat named Diogi, lmao.   <3 My Fish, Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39393	From: gail	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!!

I stare at my tanks for a long period of time, then AH HAH!!! I remember. Then I see something shiny... and wonder off. I am so ADD. lol   -gail --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> wrote: From: Garry the Womble <garrywilliams59@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 1:15 AM I somehow imagine her with one of them flip open Credit card wallets the type that you flip the wrist and they all unfold, with piccies of the fish too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! Gail - do you remember all these names or have to write them down near the tank to remind yourself!!! LOL Kelly xxxxx From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: 16 April 2009 22:57 To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: What Names Do We Give Our Fishies??!! what a fun topic!! I have a lot of fish, I started naming most of them. I stopped when I got schooling fish, because I couldn't tell them apart. I have; A blue Cichlid (species and name i forgot). his name is Blue I have an electric yellow cichlid - her name is Kayla A kenyi cichlid - named Sam A male Convict - named Ratchet - my cichlid tank started out as a Transformers themed name tank.lol female convict - Chase Jr. Geo. Surinamus - Tony the Troublemaker my Oto - Squiggy (I call all my Otos this) BP - Cheeky Gold Severum - Peach Bala shark lg - Spock Bala Shark sm - Bowie white molly - Snow White lg BLue Gourami - Wilbur sm Blue Gourami - Andy 3 Black skirt tetras - Tic, Tac & Toe 2 Rosy BArbs - Spit & Spot When your kids are watching Disney movies all the time... you get ideas :) I am sure I have more names... I just cannot remember them. Except one more Oscar - the betta (for being Oscar the Grouch)lol -gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39394	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: hair algea

ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's growing on everything in the tank including the live plants

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39395	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you have in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too long for the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to keep up with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my algae problem more in check. Amber Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39396	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

10 plants, 8 hours, 3 of them swords, i also don't know weather i should use the actinic bulbs or not, shoul di just use the T5? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you have > in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too long for > the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to keep up > with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my algae > problem more in check. > > Amber > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a > > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39397	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

I use both, as a fuller spectrum is always better for plants. How many T5 bulbs do you have over the tank, and how big of a tank is it (gallons)? Are the plants rather small or bigger? Would you say your tank is well planted or only slightly planted? Have you tested your water parameters to see what your nitrates are at? If you have high nitrates the hair algae is actually doing you a favor by using up nitrates that your plants aren't able to, but if your nitrates are lower then the hair algae could actually be harming your plants by using up the nutrients that they would be using. I would test your nitrates and go from there. I always have some hair algae growing in my 10 gallon tank, I just suck it out each week with a water change and since there's only 1 plant in the tank I leave the rest of the algae to help keep the nitrates lower through the week, but I don't leave too much as it'll take over if you let it ;) LOL Amber Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > 10 plants, 8 hours, 3 of them swords, i also don't know weather i > should use the actinic bulbs or not, shoul di just use the T5? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you > have > > in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too long for > > the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to keep up > > with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my > algae > > problem more in check. > > > > Amber > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a > > > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39398	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: T5 upgrade

so i want to upgrade my 55gal cichlid tank with T5 lights. I really want to bring out the color of my cichlids, i also want to get away from the ang on back filters so i don't have to pull the tank so far out from the wall does anyone have any experience with the marineland bio wheel canopy? it has the built in bio wheel filters and the T5 lighting option, it seems like it would be a perfect solution as long as they work well

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39399	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

well the biocube has one T5 and one actinic. 29 gallons, one of the swords is pretty big most of the plants are of average size, not sure what the levels are at present, but i do have to prune dead pieces often and having trouble getting some of the plants to really take root, so i'm not sure if the algea is using up too much or not, just wish i could buy soemthing to eat it --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I use both, as a fuller spectrum is always better for plants. How many > T5 bulbs do you have over the tank, and how big of a tank is it > (gallons)? Are the plants rather small or bigger? Would you say your > tank is well planted or only slightly planted? Have you tested your > water parameters to see what your nitrates are at? If you have high > nitrates the hair algae is actually doing you a favor by using up > nitrates that your plants aren't able to, but if your nitrates are lower > then the hair algae could actually be harming your plants by using up > the nutrients that they would be using. I would test your nitrates and > go from there. I always have some hair algae growing in my 10 gallon > tank, I just suck it out each week with a water change and since there's > only 1 plant in the tank I leave the rest of the algae to help keep the > nitrates lower through the week, but I don't leave too much as it'll > take over if you let it ;) LOL > > Amber > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > 10 plants, 8 hours, 3 of them swords, i also don't know weather i > > should use the actinic bulbs or not, shoul di just use the T5? > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you > > have > > > in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too long for > > > the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to keep up > > > with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my > > algae > > > problem more in check. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a > > > > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > > > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > > > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39400	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

As far as I know there's not really any fish that like to eat hair algae, some will eat a little, but not enough to get rid of it. You basically have to clean it out each week to try to keep it contained :( Amber Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > well the biocube has one T5 and one actinic. 29 gallons, one of the > swords is pretty big most of the plants are of average size, not sure > what the levels are at present, but i do have to prune dead pieces > often and having trouble getting some of the plants to really take > root, so i'm not sure if the algea is using up too much or not, just > wish i could buy soemthing to eat it > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I use both, as a fuller spectrum is always better for plants. How many > > T5 bulbs do you have over the tank, and how big of a tank is it > > (gallons)? Are the plants rather small or bigger? Would you say your > > tank is well planted or only slightly planted? Have you tested your > > water parameters to see what your nitrates are at? If you have high > > nitrates the hair algae is actually doing you a favor by using up > > nitrates that your plants aren't able to, but if your nitrates are > lower > > then the hair algae could actually be harming your plants by using up > > the nutrients that they would be using. I would test your nitrates and > > go from there. I always have some hair algae growing in my 10 gallon > > tank, I just suck it out each week with a water change and since > there's > > only 1 plant in the tank I leave the rest of the algae to help keep the > > nitrates lower through the week, but I don't leave too much as it'll > > take over if you let it ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > 10 plants, 8 hours, 3 of them swords, i also don't know weather i > > > should use the actinic bulbs or not, shoul di just use the T5? > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you > > > have > > > > in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too > long for > > > > the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to > keep up > > > > with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my > > > algae > > > > problem more in check. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, > i had a > > > > > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it > right > > > > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i > get rid > > > > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > > > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39401	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

k, and the nitrates are around 40ppm --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > As far as I know there's not really any fish that like to eat hair > algae, some will eat a little, but not enough to get rid of it. You > basically have to clean it out each week to try to keep it contained :( > > Amber > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > well the biocube has one T5 and one actinic. 29 gallons, one of the > > swords is pretty big most of the plants are of average size, not sure > > what the levels are at present, but i do have to prune dead pieces > > often and having trouble getting some of the plants to really take > > root, so i'm not sure if the algea is using up too much or not, just > > wish i could buy soemthing to eat it > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > I use both, as a fuller spectrum is always better for plants. How many > > > T5 bulbs do you have over the tank, and how big of a tank is it > > > (gallons)? Are the plants rather small or bigger? Would you say your > > > tank is well planted or only slightly planted? Have you tested your > > > water parameters to see what your nitrates are at? If you have high > > > nitrates the hair algae is actually doing you a favor by using up > > > nitrates that your plants aren't able to, but if your nitrates are > > lower > > > then the hair algae could actually be harming your plants by using up > > > the nutrients that they would be using. I would test your nitrates and > > > go from there. I always have some hair algae growing in my 10 gallon > > > tank, I just suck it out each week with a water change and since > > there's > > > only 1 plant in the tank I leave the rest of the algae to help keep the > > > nitrates lower through the week, but I don't leave too much as it'll > > > take over if you let it ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 plants, 8 hours, 3 of them swords, i also don't know weather i > > > > should use the actinic bulbs or not, shoul di just use the T5? > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How long do you leave your lights on for and how many plants do you > > > > have > > > > > in the tank? I'm going to guess and say your lights are on too > > long for > > > > > the amount of plants that you have, and the algae is growing to > > keep up > > > > > with the nutrients. I had to lower my lights to 8 hours to keep my > > > > algae > > > > > problem more in check. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, > > i had a > > > > > > really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it > > right > > > > > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i > > get rid > > > > > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > > > > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39402	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

What size Biocube? What kind and how many Rams? In a nutshell, without knowing anything about your tank, the primary reason for algae problems are too many nutrients, too much CO2 and too much lighting. Overstocking or under maintaining a tank will provide the first two. Lights are easier to control. How long do you leave them on and what kind of lighting and wattage do you have? Without knowing more details about your tank, it's hard to give any kind of decent advice. Also, when replying, give us your test results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and any others you have. Also let us know your maintenance schedule... how often you do PWC's (partial water changes and what %), how often you do gravel vacuuming, how often you do proper filter maintenance? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hair algea ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's growing on everything in the tank including the live plants

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39403	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: T5 upgrade

On a 55, with cichlids, I'd be inclined to go with a canister filter. I only have anecdotal evidence, but the t-5 bulbs are supposed to be short lived. You may want to investigate the compact fluorescent lighting. They have been used over aquariums, terrariums, paludariums, etc. since the late 80's, and there is a fairly good selection of color temps, etc. available. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Courtland Jacob > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] T5 upgrade > > so i want to upgrade my 55gal cichlid tank with T5 lights. I really want to bring out the color > of my cichlids, i also want to get away from the ang on back filters so i don't have to pull the > tank so far out from the wall > > does anyone have any experience with the marineland bio wheel canopy? it has the built in bio > wheel filters and the T5 lighting option, it seems like it would be a perfect solution as long as > they work well > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39404	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: pH - KH relationship

Is there a way to raise the KH without also raising the pH? I found my 90G tank on Craig's List ($140 for tank, stand, filter, cover and lamp!). Hubby wants his White Cloud Mountain minnows, now, but from my research, they need a KH of 10 to 15. I can't raise the KH of my water higher than 5 without putting the pH over 7.5. My water's KH is 0 out of the tap. I raise it using baking soda per GAB instructions, otherwise the pH crashes below 6.5. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39405	From: darlene	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: FW: [TheGreyPlayRoundTable] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S

Subject: [TheGreyPlayRoundTable] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S LETTER HAND CARRIED TO CONGRESS URGENT ACTION ALERT ON HR 669 FROM AFA, ASA, NAIA & PIJAC WE NEED MORE LETTERS THIS WEEKEND FROM ALL CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE RECORDS AGAINST HR 669 THEY CAN BE HAND CARRIED FOR YOU TO THE CONGRESSIONAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON 4/23 WIDE AND IMMEDIATE CROSS POSTING REQUESTED This action alert is for all people who will be harmed by HR 669 or whose animals will be harmed by HR 669. NUMBERS COUNT !! MORE OF OUR VOICES MUST BE HEARD! Marshall Meyers of PIJAC will hand carry our letters of opposition to HR 669 to the U.S. Congressional Subcommittee Hearing on April 23rd. Letters are needed from clubs and organizations whose members will be harmed by HR 669. He will submit them for the Congressional Record. All clubs and organizations whose members will be harmed by HR 669 should send letters. The club or organization does not have to be one whose members breed or sell animals. If members of your organization will be harmed by HR 669 - then send a letter !!! In order for Marshall to hand carry our letters to Congress, he must have the letters from clubs and organizations no later than 4:00 p.m. EST on April 21st (Tuesday afternoon). Send a one page letter on club or organization’s letterhead, dated, and signed by an authorized person. Marshall's contact information is noted below. The subject line or opening sentence should say your organization OPPOSES HR 669. The text of the letter should include the number of members the club or organization represents, and should state clearly that your membership will be harmed if HR 669 passes. If there is room, you may wish to add more comments, but remember, brief is best. Unique letters are best, but a sample letter is provided below for anyone who would like a little guidance - please personalize the letter for your club or organization. Please get your club or organization to write the letter TODAY, and deliver it to Marshall Meyers ASAP by FAX or E-mail. Remember, Marshall must have the letter by 4:00 pm, 4/21. By email: Send a PDF of the signed letter to <mailto:mmeyers@...> mmeyers@... By FAX: Fax the signed letter to: 1-202-293-4377 Thank you for your help in opposing HR 669. Genny Wall Legislative VP AFA, NAIA Laurella Desborough Legislative VP ASA, NAIA <http://www.afabirds.org/> www.afabirds.org American Federation of Aviculture <http://www.asabirds.org/> www.asabirds.org Avicultural Society of America <http://www.naiatrust.org/> www.naiatrust.org National Animal Interest Alliance <http://www.pijac.org/> www.pijac.org Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council SAMPLE LETTER TO OPPOSE HR 669 On your club or organization letterhead Date House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Re: (Your club or organization name) OPPOSES HR 669 Dear Mr. Chairman and Honorable Committee Members, (Your club or organization name) OPPOSES HR 669 and we ask that you vote NO ON HR 669, and that you do not allow it to pass out of your committee. (Your club or organization name) represents (# or approximate #) people who will be harmed by HR 669 if it becomes law. Our members own, work with, or have businesses that provide services for, non-native animal species (give examples of the animals your members own, work with, or provide services for), which have been in this country for many years without causing harm to the environment, to native species, or to human health. Our members are responsible owners and businesses, and there is no reason to believe that the non-native species that we own, work with, or provide services for, will cause future harm to the environment, to native species, or to human health. While the stated intent of HR 669 is to protect the environment, HR 669 will not achieve that stated purpose. Instead, HR 669 will cause great harm to non-native species both inside and outside of the US, and to the people who own them or whose businesses depend on them. Please do not allow HR 669 to pass out of your committee. Very truly yours, (Signature) (Name) (Title) (Club or Organization) _____ Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try <http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027> the new Email Toolbar now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39406	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship

I'm not sure where you are getting your research from but the Mongabay profile on WCMM's http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html shows their preferred water chemistry as: Water chemistry: pH 6-8; 6-20 dH; 60-75°F (16-24°C) Read the entire profile for more info. There's no mention of a specific KH level. What is your tap water baseline? Those are the numbers from a gallon sized sample of your tap water that is tested right out the tap, then add your dechlor if needed, then allowed to sit at room temperature and open to allow outgasing. Re-test at 24 hours and then at 48 hours and the 48 hour tests will be your baseline. Most fish do prefer a certain water hardness (usually referred to as GH (General Hardness) but sometimes called Alkalinity in some test kits... but most fish do not necessarily need a certain KH (Carbonate Hardness). While KH will add to total hardness, there are other minerals that also contribute (calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc.). Many folks add salt to their livebearer tanks as most livebearers prefer harder water and salt makes the water harder by adding sodium... but salt is not preferred by most freshwater fish although the chloride part of salt does aid in their gill function but healthy fish in good water do not need aid to their gill function... just like we don't need to hit the Oxygen bottle if we are healthy. If the source water does not contain a certain level of KH and you have a heavy bioload, as most goldfish tanks maintain, then keeping a minimum KH level will prevent pH crashes. That is why you see KH levels mentioned a LOT in goldfish/pond forums. Most goldfish tanks are overstocked or severely overstocked so the baseline water will not maintain with the heavy bioload so folks add baking soda, etc., to maintain their KH and pH between tank maintenance. Some folks who simply have low levels of baseline numbers have to do it just to bring the water up to where goldfish will do OK. Now, as far as your pH crashing below 6.5... I want to talk about this just to clear things up. When you say it is crashing... exactly what is happening? I consider a crash when the pH instantly drops from 7.0 to 5.5.. usually as a result of the KH level getting too low. If the pH slowly goes down from 7.0 to 6.5 between weekly tank maintenance, that is natural although there may be things that can be corrected to keep the pH from dropping that much in between weekly tank maintenance. You also seemed concerned about raising the pH over 7.5 and you may be worrying needlessly. Having a pH above or below 7.0 is NOT a bad thing. Most community type fish will easily acclimate to a wide range of pH levels between 6.0 and 8.0. Some fish absolutely have to have a low pH down into the low 6's and even 5's or lower. Other fish absolutely have to have a pH over 8.0. Having a pH over 7.5 is NOT necessarily a bad thing depending on your fish. While a pH of 7.0 is considered Neutral on the test results, it's not the best pH for all fish. It's an OK level for most fish but it's not the most critical thing to worry about... your baseline results and maintaining consistent levels in the tank is more important than maintaining a specific level. Most fish will acclimate to a wide range of water chemistry levels but they do not do as well with constantly fluctuating levels... although wild fish do acclimate more easily to a constantly fluctuating water chemistry but a pH crash will also kill fish in the wild and is often the reason when you see a lot of floating dead fish in a waterway. The pH and KH levels in ALL tanks will go down over time unless the tank has something added to help maintain their levels (certain rocks, etc.). It's a natural part of the ecology of a tank for the KH and pH to go down as all life forms will use up minerals and carbonates. By doing weekly tank maintenance (gravel vacuuming, filter maintenance and a 25% PWC) we remove/dilute the pollution and replace the minerals in the water that were utilized by the fish, plants and micro-ecology of the tank (N-bacteria, algae, etc.) So.. to answer your first question, yes, there probably are ways to raise the KH without raising the pH but it's not as simple as just using baking soda and as long as you slowly raise the pH, KH and/or other levels, the fish will acclimate without a problem. Other things used by goldfish keepers and ponders are Oyster Flour (which is Calcium Carbonate... ground up oyster shells), Cuttle Bone (which is what I use in my filters) and just let it slowly dissolve.. a Cuttle Bone is also Calcium Carbonate also but is soft and will dissolve slowly and a $2.00 pack of three Cuttle Bones lasts me more than a year and I do not have to do weekly testing/dosing, although I do have a SeaChem pH Alert in-tank stick on monitor that I use to make sure my pH holds steady in my goldfish tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] pH - KH relationship Is there a way to raise the KH without also raising the pH? I found my 90G tank on Craig's List ($140 for tank, stand, filter, cover and lamp!). Hubby wants his White Cloud Mountain minnows, now, but from my research, they need a KH of 10 to 15. I can't raise the KH of my water higher than 5 without putting the pH over 7.5. My water's KH is 0 out of the tap. I raise it using baking soda per GAB instructions, otherwise the pH crashes below 6.5. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39407	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOU

____________________________________ From: ron@... Reply-to: hanging-parrot@yahoogroups.com To: hanging-parrot@yahoogroups.com Sent: 4/18/2009 6:40:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S LETTER HAND CARRIED TO CONGRESS FWD/ Ron ____________________________________ From: songsterfancier@ songste songsterfancier@<WBR>y songsterfan sOn Behalf Of gennygem2@... Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:07 AM To: Gennygem2@aol. Subject: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZATION' [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 URGENT ACTION ALERT ON HR 669 FROM AFA, ASA, NAIA & PIJAC WE NEED MORE LETTERS THIS WEEKEND FROM ALL CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE RECORDS AGAINST HR 669 THEY CAN BE HAND CARRIED FOR YOU TO THE CONGRESSIONAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON 4/23 WIDE AND IMMEDIATE CROSS POSTING REQUESTED This action alert is for all people who will be harmed by HR 669 or whose animals will be harmed by HR 669. NUMBERS COUNT !! MORE OF OUR VOICES MUST BE HEARD! Marshall Meyers of PIJAC will hand carry our letters of opposition to HR 669 to the Mars Congressional Subcommittee Hearing on April 23rd. Letters are needed from clubs and organizations whose members will be harmed by HR 669. He will submit them for the Congressional Record. All clubs and organizations whose members will be harmed by HR 669 should send letters. The club or organization does not have to be one whose members breed or sell animals. If members of your organization will be harmed by HR 669 - then send a letter !!! In order for In order to hand carry our letters to Congress, he must have the letters from clubs and organizations no later than 4:00 p.m. EST on April 21st (Tuesday afternoon). Send a one page letter on club or organization’s letterhead, dated, and signed by an authorized person. <ST's contact information is noted below. The subject line or opening sentence should say your organization OPPOSES HR 669. The text of the letter should include the number of members the club or organization represents, and should state clearly that your membership will be harmed if HR 669 passes. If there is room, you may wish to add more comments, but remember, brief is best. Unique letters are best, but a sample letter is provided below for anyone who would like a little guidance - please personalize the letter for your club or organization. Please get your club or organization to write the letter TODAY, and deliver it to Marshall Meyers ASAP by FAX or E-mail. Remember, Remembe must have the letter by 4:00 pm, 4/21. By email: Send a PDF of the signed letter to _mmeyers@..._ (mailto:mmeyers@...) By FAX: Fax the signed letter to: 1-202-293-4377 Thank you for your help in opposing HR 669. Genny Wall Legislative VP AFA, NAIA Laurella Desborough Legislative VP ASA, NAIA _www.afabirds.www_ (http://www.afabirds.org/) American Federation of Aviculture _www.asabirds.www_ (http://www.asabirds.org/) Avicultural Society of Avicult _www.naiatrust.www_ (http://www.naiatrust.org/) National Animal Interest National _www.pijac.org_ (http://www.pijac.org/) Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council SAMPLE LETTER TO OPPOSE HR 669 On your club or organization letterhead Date House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Re: (Your club or organization name) OPPOSES HR 669 Dear Mr. Chairman and Honorable Committee Members, (Your club or organization name) OPPOSES HR 669 and we ask that you vote NO ON HR 669, and that you do not allow it to pass out of your committee. (Your club or organization name) represents (# or approximate #) people who will be harmed by HR 669 if it becomes law. Our members own, work with, or have businesses that provide services for, non-native animal species (give examples of the animals your members own, work with, or provide services for), which have been in this country for many years without causing harm to the environment, to native species, or to human health. Our members are responsible owners and businesses, and there is no reason to believe that the non-native species that we own, work with, or provide services for, will cause future harm to the environment, to native species, or to human health. While the stated intent of HR 669 is to protect the environment, HR 669 will not achieve that stated purpose. Instead, HR 669 will cause great harm to non-native species both inside and outside of the I, and to the people who own them or whose businesses depend on them. Please do not allow HR 669 to pass out of your committee. Very truly yours, (Signature) (Name) (Title) (Club or Organization) ____________________________________ Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. _Try the new Email Toolbar now_ (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) ! **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39408	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE

Darlene beat you to it Joe. ;-) She sent this to the group around 7AM this morning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:34 AM To: anubiasdesign@yahoogroups.com Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; ken@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZ...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39409	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: new babies

my obliquen (sp?) african cichlids had babies, she's still carrying them in her mouth, should i be doing anyhting for them? isthere a special kind of supplement or food they need to eat? right now i use the new life spectrum cichlid formula to feed the tank. can she still eat that with them in her mouth? can the fry eat them when she releases them or should i find something else for them, i don't have any experince with this so any advice would be great

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39410	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

Most mouthbrooding cichlid Moms don’t eat with eggs/fry in their mouths, but some do. No special supplement. Watch to be sure she is not bullied by other fish, and if she is move her to a maternity tank. The adult fish in the tank will eat the fry almost immediately (including Mom) if they are spit in the main tank. They hold about 28 days so on day 18 or so if you want to keep the fry you could catch her and strip the fry from her mouth into a fry tank (10G is a good size). The fry can eat crushed NLS or you can buy NLS Growth Formula for them until they are one inch. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] new babies my obliquen (sp?) african cichlids had babies, she's still carrying them in her mouth, should i be doing anyhting for them? isthere a special kind of supplement or food they need to eat? right now i use the new life spectrum cichlid formula to feed the tank. can she still eat that with them in her mouth? can the fry eat them when she releases them or should i find something else for them, i don't have any experince with this so any advice would be great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39411	From: bill1433	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

IF you must move "Mom" try to do so with a plastic container like an old filter box or something.  Take your net and "guide" her into it.  Go very slowly and carefully. If startled she may spit out the fry and your efforts will be wasted.  Go slow and you'll be fine. She will guard and protect fry depending but usually between 15 to 21 days.  This all depends on size of the fry and her temperment.  If this is her first brood anything could happen but it is best if she is by her self a bit.  After the fry are out and about and free swiming, watch or lunch for Mom could be served at any minute!   Bill --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new babies To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 2:32 PM Most mouthbrooding cichlid Moms don’t eat with eggs/fry in their mouths, but some do.  No special supplement.  Watch to be sure she is not bullied by other fish, and if she is move her to a maternity tank. The adult fish in the tank will eat the fry almost immediately (including Mom) if they are spit in the main tank.  They hold about 28 days so on day 18 or so if you want to keep the fry you could catch her and strip the fry from her mouth into a fry tank (10G is a good size). The fry can eat crushed NLS or you can buy NLS Growth Formula for them until they are one inch.   _____  From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] new babies my obliquen (sp?) african cichlids had babies, she's still carrying them in her mouth, should i be doing anyhting for them? isthere a special kind of supplement or food they need to eat? right now i use the new life spectrum cichlid formula to feed the tank. can she still eat that with them in her mouth? can the fry eat them when she releases them or should i find something else for them, i don't have any experince with this so any advice would be great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39412	From: darlene	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE

I was up real early since it is tank cleaning day for the 3 tanks Besides I am sick as a dog and couldn’t sleep caught a virus and feel rotten Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 18 avril 2009 12:50 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZ... Darlene beat you to it Joe. ;-) She sent this to the group around 7AM this morning. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:34 AM To: anubiasdesign@yahoogroups.com <mailto:anubiasdesign%40yahoogroups.com> Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ; ken@... <mailto:ken%40aquariumnation.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE YOUR ORGANIZ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39413	From: Jerry	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: HR669 committee vote on April23

PLEASE CONTACT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND YOUR CONGRESS PERSON BEFORE APRIL 23 If this bill passes it will adverly effect our ability to have most if not all the tropical fish that we now enjoy keeping. You can find contact info on the links. This would be bad for the aquarium hobby.Please check this pending legislation out at http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf This Might be a good link to send to all of your pet-owning friends as it addresses the issue from a pet-owner perspective and is a little more entertaining than the normal legal alerts. This has some very compelling statistics on what this could mean to all aquarists and the US economy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8 If you wish to make your voice known in regard to this bill follow link below. I Found this link on another group I'm in and thought it might be of use to assist you in contacting your Congressman. http://www.nohr669.com/dosomething.htm

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39414	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39415	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship

My pH is low most of the time, and I had to struggle at first to figure out what kind of fish I could keep with my pH of 6-6.5. I also have very soft water, it barely reads when I test it off of the tap, so I add coral (dead coral) to my tanks so that it will break down and raise the hardness level a bit, so that my pH stays stable. I keep mostly fish that prefer lower pH water, but I also have Platy's, Guppy's, and a couple of other fish that prefer pH that is a bit higher than mine, but they have been doing fine for about 4-5 months now, no health issues. I also don't add any salt to my talks for my live bearers, and they seem perfectly happy, I added salt when I first got them, then slowly took the salt back out with PWC's each week. They act the same as when they had salt in their tank, so I'm not sure if they really need it or not ;) LOL, as Lenny says it's just something that will make them healthier, but if they are already healthy it's not really a big deal either. Perhaps you could try crushed coral or just a chunk of coral in your tank instead of using baking soda, I just periodically check my hardness levels to make sure they are still in reasonable levels, sometimes I will remove some of the coral if the harness gets a little high. So far that's only happened once. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I'm not sure where you are getting your research from but the Mongabay > profile on WCMM's > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html> shows their > preferred water chemistry as: > > Water chemistry: pH 6-8; 6-20 dH; 60-75°F (16-24°C) > > Read the entire profile for more info. There's no mention of a specific KH > level. > > What is your tap water baseline? Those are the numbers from a gallon sized > sample of your tap water that is tested right out the tap, then add your > dechlor if needed, then allowed to sit at room temperature and open to > allow > outgasing. Re-test at 24 hours and then at 48 hours and the 48 hour tests > will be your baseline. > > Most fish do prefer a certain water hardness (usually referred to as GH > (General Hardness) but sometimes called Alkalinity in some test > kits... but > most fish do not necessarily need a certain KH (Carbonate Hardness). While > KH will add to total hardness, there are other minerals that also > contribute > (calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc.). Many folks add salt to their > livebearer > tanks as most livebearers prefer harder water and salt makes the water > harder by adding sodium... but salt is not preferred by most > freshwater fish > although the chloride part of salt does aid in their gill function but > healthy fish in good water do not need aid to their gill function... just > like we don't need to hit the Oxygen bottle if we are healthy. If the > source water does not contain a certain level of KH and you have a heavy > bioload, as most goldfish tanks maintain, then keeping a minimum KH level > will prevent pH crashes. That is why you see KH levels mentioned a LOT in > goldfish/pond forums. Most goldfish tanks are overstocked or severely > overstocked so the baseline water will not maintain with the heavy bioload > so folks add baking soda, etc., to maintain their KH and pH between tank > maintenance. Some folks who simply have low levels of baseline numbers > have > to do it just to bring the water up to where goldfish will do OK. > > Now, as far as your pH crashing below 6.5... I want to talk about this > just > to clear things up. When you say it is crashing... exactly what is > happening? I consider a crash when the pH instantly drops from 7.0 to > 5.5.. > usually as a result of the KH level getting too low. If the pH slowly goes > down from 7.0 to 6.5 between weekly tank maintenance, that is natural > although there may be things that can be corrected to keep the pH from > dropping that much in between weekly tank maintenance. You also seemed > concerned about raising the pH over 7.5 and you may be worrying > needlessly. > > Having a pH above or below 7.0 is NOT a bad thing. Most community type > fish > will easily acclimate to a wide range of pH levels between 6.0 and 8.0. > Some fish absolutely have to have a low pH down into the low 6's and even > 5's or lower. Other fish absolutely have to have a pH over 8.0. Having a > pH over 7.5 is NOT necessarily a bad thing depending on your fish. While a > pH of 7.0 is considered Neutral on the test results, it's not the best pH > for all fish. It's an OK level for most fish but it's not the most > critical > thing to worry about... your baseline results and maintaining consistent > levels in the tank is more important than maintaining a specific level. > Most fish will acclimate to a wide range of water chemistry levels but > they > do not do as well with constantly fluctuating levels... although wild fish > do acclimate more easily to a constantly fluctuating water chemistry but a > pH crash will also kill fish in the wild and is often the reason when you > see a lot of floating dead fish in a waterway. > > The pH and KH levels in ALL tanks will go down over time unless the > tank has > something added to help maintain their levels (certain rocks, etc.). > It's a > natural part of the ecology of a tank for the KH and pH to go down as all > life forms will use up minerals and carbonates. By doing weekly tank > maintenance (gravel vacuuming, filter maintenance and a 25% PWC) we > remove/dilute the pollution and replace the minerals in the water that > were > utilized by the fish, plants and micro-ecology of the tank (N-bacteria, > algae, etc.) > > So.. to answer your first question, yes, there probably are ways to raise > the KH without raising the pH but it's not as simple as just using baking > soda and as long as you slowly raise the pH, KH and/or other levels, the > fish will acclimate without a problem. Other things used by goldfish > keepers and ponders are Oyster Flour (which is Calcium Carbonate... ground > up oyster shells), Cuttle Bone (which is what I use in my filters) and > just > let it slowly dissolve.. a Cuttle Bone is also Calcium Carbonate also > but is > soft and will dissolve slowly and a $2.00 pack of three Cuttle Bones lasts > me more than a year and I do not have to do weekly testing/dosing, > although > I do have a SeaChem pH Alert in-tank stick on monitor that I use to make > sure my pH holds steady in my goldfish tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] pH - KH relationship > > Is there a way to raise the KH without also raising the pH? I found my > 90G tank on Craig's List ($140 for tank, stand, filter, cover and lamp!). > Hubby wants his White Cloud Mountain minnows, now, but from my research, > they need a KH of 10 to 15. I can't raise the KH of my water higher than 5 > without putting the pH over 7.5. My water's KH is 0 out of the tap. I > raise it using baking soda per GAB instructions, otherwise the pH crashes > below 6.5. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39416	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: : The New England aquariums posistion on hr 669

_Click here: Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): The New England Aquarium Speaks Out Against HR 669_ (http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/04/the_new_england_aquarium_speak.php) **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39417	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

Are you trying to make medicated food? If yes, go back to http://www.hikariusa.com and navigate to the product page and there's a link at the bottom on how to make the medicated food using Metro+. Here's the link... http://uskoi.com/med_feed_-_general.htm If it's for something else, contact Hikari via their Contact Us page which has a form and their 800 phone number... or email them at mailto:fish@... Also complain that the MSDS was not available on their website. Slowly, if we all complain, companies will make these available as they are legally supposed to already be doing. They are guilty, like many sites, of not having their product MSDS sheets readily available. I Googled for either Hikari Metro+ MSDS and for Aquarium Solutions Metro+ MSDS and neither came up with any hits. Last, but not least, I did a search of the MSDS database that WalMart.com has (link near the bottom of the page) but they do not have any MSDS for Hikari or Aquarium Solution products.. nor for the Metro+. While on the subject of MSDS sheets... KUDOS goes out to http://www.WalMart.com for having an extensive searchable database of MSDS sheets on the products they carry. Also, sites like http://www.SeaChem.com and API's site, http://www.AquariumPharm.com DO have their MSDS sheets available on their sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39418	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: test results - help!

I don't why but my tank results this morning are Nitrate 1.0 Nitrite2.0 Ammonia .5 Ph 7.4 I did a 30% partial water change yesterday and these are the results AFTER I changed the water!!! Before the water change there was no ammonia and nitrite was .25 didn't have time to do the nitrate yesterday I was too sick I am going out today to buy a 48 gallon tank (it is on sale $300 with cover, lights, fluval 305 filter) to move the goldfish to and move the platies to the 30 gallon tank... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39419	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!

Test your tap water to see if you have ammonia in your tap water? Put additional bacteria from another established tank in the tank with the nitrite=2 because that's too high. How will you cycle the 48G? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] test results - help! I don't why but my tank results this morning are Nitrate 1.0 Nitrite2.0 Ammonia .5 Ph 7.4 I did a 30% partial water change yesterday and these are the results AFTER I changed the water!!! Before the water change there was no ammonia and nitrite was .25 didn't have time to do the nitrate yesterday I was too sick I am going out today to buy a 48 gallon tank (it is on sale $300 with cover, lights, fluval 305 filter) to move the goldfish to and move the platies to the 30 gallon tank... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39420	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

see i don't know how many days it's been... how big are they usually when released? cuz they were about a quarter of an inch --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > IF you must move "Mom" try to do so with a plastic container like an old filter box or > something.  Take your net and "guide" her into it.  Go very slowly and carefully. > If startled she may spit out the fry and your efforts will be wasted.  Go slow and you'll be fine. She will guard and protect fry depending but usually between 15 to 21 days.  This all depends on size of the fry and her temperment.  If this is her first brood anything could happen but it is best if she is by her self a bit.  After the fry are out and about and free swiming, watch or lunch for Mom could be served at any minute! >   > Bill > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new babies > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 2:32 PM > > > Most mouthbrooding cichlid Moms don’t eat with eggs/fry in their mouths, but > some do.  No special supplement.  Watch to be sure she is not bullied by > other fish, and if she is move her to a maternity tank. > > > > The adult fish in the tank will eat the fry almost immediately (including > Mom) if they are spit in the main tank.  They hold about 28 days so on day > 18 or so if you want to keep the fry you could catch her and strip the fry > from her mouth into a fry tank (10G is a good size). > > > > The fry can eat crushed NLS or you can buy NLS Growth Formula for them until > they are one inch. > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] new babies > > > > > > > > > my obliquen (sp?) african cichlids had babies, she's still carrying them in > her mouth, should i be doing anyhting for them? isthere a special kind of > supplement or food they need to eat? right now i use the new life spectrum > cichlid formula to feed the tank. can she still eat that with them in her > mouth? can the fry eat them when she releases them or should i find > something else for them, i don't have any experince with this so any advice > would be great > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39421	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

They are usually released when the size of a grain of rice. If the fry are ¼ inch and still in the mother’s mouth, I’d strip her. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: new babies see i don't know how many days it's been... how big are they usually when released? cuz they were about a quarter of an inch --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > IF you must move "Mom" try to do so with a plastic container like an old filter box or > something. Take your net and "guide" her into it. Go very slowly and carefully. > If startled she may spit out the fry and your efforts will be wasted. Go slow and you'll be fine. She will guard and protect fry depending but usually between 15 to 21 days. This all depends on size of the fry and her temperment. If this is her first brood anything could happen but it is best if she is by her self a bit. After the fry are out and about and free swiming, watch or lunch for Mom could be served at any minute! >  > Bill > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] new babies > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 2:32 PM > > > Most mouthbrooding cichlid Moms don’t eat with eggs/fry in their mouths, but > some do. No special supplement. Watch to be sure she is not bullied by > other fish, and if she is move her to a maternity tank. > > > > The adult fish in the tank will eat the fry almost immediately (including > Mom) if they are spit in the main tank. They hold about 28 days so on day > 18 or so if you want to keep the fry you could catch her and strip the fry > from her mouth into a fry tank (10G is a good size). > > > > The fry can eat crushed NLS or you can buy NLS Growth Formula for them until > they are one inch. > > > >  _____ > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:15 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] new babies > > > > > > > > > my obliquen (sp?) african cichlids had babies, she's still carrying them in > her mouth, should i be doing anyhting for them? isthere a special kind of > supplement or food they need to eat? right now i use the new life spectrum > cichlid formula to feed the tank. can she still eat that with them in her > mouth? can the fry eat them when she releases them or should i find > something else for them, i don't have any experince with this so any advice > would be great > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39422	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!

How many goldfish? If you have more than two fancy goldfish, the proposed 48G tank will just be a temporary home... or a high maintenance home if you choose to keep more than two in the tank. I didn't want you to spend that kind of money on something that will not work for very long or that will be a headache to maintain. I have two fancies in a 65G tank and I HAVE to do weekly tank maintenance or the tank will have water quality issues. In a 48G, you might have to do tank maintenance twice a week.. and that's with just two goldfish. If you have more, then you might still be doing daily or every other day maintenance. I think you either made a typo or mis-read your NitrAte reading. 1.0 is not on most test kits color chart/scale. It could be 10.0ppm which is fine for a NitrAte reading in FW tanks. I'm not sure why the NitrIte reading would have gone up from 0.25ppm to 2.0ppm but even when it was only 0.25ppm, that means there was a problem with your Nitrogen Cycle as the ammonia and nitrIte readings should ALWAYS be 0.0ppm in a properly cycled tank. As far as the ammonia reading.. this could just be a residual ammonia reading from any ammonia from your tap water. We would need to know your tap water baseline numbers to determine this... BUT... since you are also having other nitrogen cycle issues, this ammonia reading could also be due to your having nitrogen cycle issues. Did you change out your filter cartridge or do filter maintenance yesterday or today? If you haven't read it, read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria that keeps your nitrogen cycle working right in your tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] test results - help! I don't why but my tank results this morning are Nitrate 1.0 Nitrite2.0 Ammonia .5 Ph 7.4 I did a 30% partial water change yesterday and these are the results AFTER I changed the water!!! Before the water change there was no ammonia and nitrite was .25 didn't have time to do the nitrate yesterday I was too sick I am going out today to buy a 48 gallon tank (it is on sale $300 with cover, lights, fluval 305 filter) to move the goldfish to and move the platies to the 30 gallon tank... Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39423	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Hanging-Parrot] FW: [songsterfancier] OPPOSE HR 669 - HAVE

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39424	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship

Thanks for the replies I've gotten to this question, both on and off list. I appologize for not replying sooner. I'll get to each message as soon as I can. I need to do another baseline, as I can only find the results I ran on untreated water and not the ones with the Prime. Also I have yet to do baseline readings on KH and GH. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39425	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

ok well i separated her into a isolation chamber and she released the fry, then i put her back into the tank and she's eating again. i pulverized some of the pellets and the fry seem to be eating it, i have 11 healthy looking new cichlids! and they are hap obliquidens i believe, so very pretty fish, that hopefully i can find homes for when they big enough! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Audrey Archer <arch1574@...> wrote: > > >Right now they're happily hiding amongst the riccia in their little box. :) > >(Hey mom, did any of the riccia end up not getting transferred to the pond??) > > Congratulations on the new arrivals, are you passing out chocolate cigars? ;-) > > (My Riccia in my 10 gallon is propagating itself very well so I would be happy to share some. - Mom) > > For the group, have any of you tried a liquid additive that is supposed to increase CO2 in a planted tank? Most of my plants are doing well, but my Water Sprite is shrinking... lost all its original 6" stems and put on three tiny new ones; and I am wondering if my Java Moss is really even alive, or "died and dyed" green. How slow does it grow?! Here is my tank info: > > 10 gallons > Hang-on filter that came with the tank > No heater on right now (it is standing by for winter) > > Occupants:2 Dwarf Gourami (one male, one female) > 1 Otocinclus (undetermined sex) > 5 Golden White Cloud Minnows (looks like I may have 2 male & 3 female) > > Plants: Java Moss (on Malaysian driftwood) > Water Sprite (1) > Cabomba, Green > (started with one bunch, have already started 3 more as roots have developed) > Riccia fluitans > (started with a small 2" area and has taken over 1/2 the tank surface) > Aponogeton crispus (6) > (that are mostly stem below water, leaves and flowers float on top) > Dwarf Lily (3) > (just dropped in those bulbs recently, they are just starting to sprout) > > And a tiny bit of algae... on the back of the tank, and on the spout from the filter, and barely noticable on the leaves & stems of the plants. Nothing that detracts from the appearance. > > Lighting: 2 10 Watt compact fluorescent bulbs > (screw-in type that fits incandescent fixtures; that is what kind hood I have) > > pH: 7.6 > temp: 76 AM - 80 PM (range over course of day) > KH: 120 > GH: 150 > Nitrate: 40 ppm > Nitrite: 0 > Ammonia: 0 > Calculated CO2 < 4 ppm (supposed to be 10 - 15ppm for a planted tank?) > > Water changes 10 - 15% weekly, after which I recheck my water quality levels > Alternate bi-weekly between rinsing my filter cartridge and replacing it > > My well water is about 8.4 pH,(unless I run it out of the hot water side, then it is 7.8, because lots of the minerals end up in the water heater, so we have to replace our element every 6 months or so; but of course I can't put that hot water in my tank!) so 7.6 pH is really about the best I can do with my pH, even with the tannins from the driftwood. Not really anywhere to put peat into my filter. > > Any advice? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39426	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: new babies

Congratulations! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: new babies ok well i separated her into a isolation chamber and she released the fry, then i put her back into the tank and she's eating again. i pulverized some of the pellets and the fry seem to be eating it, i have 11 healthy looking new cichlids! and they are hap obliquidens i believe, so very pretty fish, that hopefully i can find homes for when they big enough! --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, Audrey Archer <arch1574@...> wrote: > > >Right now they're happily hiding amongst the riccia in their little box. :) > >(Hey mom, did any of the riccia end up not getting transferred to the pond??) > > Congratulations on the new arrivals, are you passing out chocolate cigars? ;-) > > (My Riccia in my 10 gallon is propagating itself very well so I would be happy to share some. - Mom) > > For the group, have any of you tried a liquid additive that is supposed to increase CO2 in a planted tank? Most of my plants are doing well, but my Water Sprite is shrinking... lost all its original 6" stems and put on three tiny new ones; and I am wondering if my Java Moss is really even alive, or "died and dyed" green. How slow does it grow?! Here is my tank info: > > 10 gallons > Hang-on filter that came with the tank > No heater on right now (it is standing by for winter) > > Occupants:2 Dwarf Gourami (one male, one female) > 1 Otocinclus (undetermined sex) > 5 Golden White Cloud Minnows (looks like I may have 2 male & 3 female) > > Plants: Java Moss (on Malaysian driftwood) > Water Sprite (1) > Cabomba, Green > (started with one bunch, have already started 3 more as roots have developed) > Riccia fluitans > (started with a small 2" area and has taken over 1/2 the tank surface) > Aponogeton crispus (6) > (that are mostly stem below water, leaves and flowers float on top) > Dwarf Lily (3) > (just dropped in those bulbs recently, they are just starting to sprout) > > And a tiny bit of algae... on the back of the tank, and on the spout from the filter, and barely noticable on the leaves & stems of the plants. Nothing that detracts from the appearance. > > Lighting: 2 10 Watt compact fluorescent bulbs > (screw-in type that fits incandescent fixtures; that is what kind hood I have) > > pH: 7.6 > temp: 76 AM - 80 PM (range over course of day) > KH: 120 > GH: 150 > Nitrate: 40 ppm > Nitrite: 0 > Ammonia: 0 > Calculated CO2 < 4 ppm (supposed to be 10 - 15ppm for a planted tank?) > > Water changes 10 - 15% weekly, after which I recheck my water quality levels > Alternate bi-weekly between rinsing my filter cartridge and replacing it > > My well water is about 8.4 pH,(unless I run it out of the hot water side, then it is 7.8, because lots of the minerals end up in the water heater, so we have to replace our element every 6 months or so; but of course I can't put that hot water in my tank!) so 7.6 pH is really about the best I can do with my pH, even with the tannins from the driftwood. Not really anywhere to put peat into my filter. > > Any advice? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39427	From: Troy	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: : The New England aquariums posistion on hr 669

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39428	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: test results - help!

I don’t remember what my baseline tap water is. I posted about it a few months ago . And right now I am too sick to care what it is :((( I have 2 oranda goldfish, (one about 4 inches the other is about 1 inch long, not including tail) I have 2 weather loaches (both about 3 inches long) and the 2 cory cats.(one about 2 ½ inches the other 1 ½ inches long) I do 25% PWC every 3-4 days but missed the one on Thursday because I was sick. Did a 25% PWC yesterday, this morning and again this afternoon, will retest my water tomorrow before I go to work if I get up in time. Now it is Motrin time and off to bed, hopefully I can shake this bloody virus soon and stop feeling so crappy !!!!! Besides when I finally get the 100 gallon tank my fish will have a half decent home and my warm water fish will have 48 gallons to swim in LOLOLOL I am still dreaming of the day when I win the lottery and have a custom build home , built around my 2000 gallon salt water tank and 2000 gallon fresh water tank THEN my fish will have all the room they could hope for ;))) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 19 avril 2009 12:40 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] test results - help! How many goldfish? If you have more than two fancy goldfish, the proposed 48G tank will just be a temporary home... or a high maintenance home if you choose to keep more than two in the tank. I didn't want you to spend that kind of money on something that will not work for very long or that will be a headache to maintain. I have two fancies in a 65G tank and I HAVE to do weekly tank maintenance or the tank will have water quality issues. In a 48G, you might have to do tank maintenance twice a week.. and that's with just two goldfish. If you have more, then you might still be doing daily or every other day maintenance. I think you either made a typo or mis-read your NitrAte reading. 1.0 is not on most test kits color chart/scale. It could be 10.0ppm which is fine for a NitrAte reading in FW tanks. I'm not sure why the NitrIte reading would have gone up from 0.25ppm to 2.0ppm but even when it was only 0.25ppm, that means there was a problem with your Nitrogen Cycle as the ammonia and nitrIte readings should ALWAYS be 0.0ppm in a properly cycled tank. As far as the ammonia reading.. this could just be a residual ammonia reading from any ammonia from your tap water. We would need to know your tap water baseline numbers to determine this... BUT... since you are also having other nitrogen cycle issues, this ammonia reading could also be due to your having nitrogen cycle issues. Did you change out your filter cartridge or do filter maintenance yesterday or today? If you haven't read it, read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria that keeps your nitrogen cycle working right in your tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] test results - help! I don't why but my tank results this morning are Nitrate 1.0 Nitrite2.0 Ammonia .5 Ph 7.4 I did a 30% partial water change yesterday and these are the results AFTER I changed the water!!! Before the water change there was no ammonia and nitrite was .25 didn't have time to do the nitrate yesterday I was too sick I am going out today to buy a 48 gallon tank (it is on sale $300 with cover, lights, fluval 305 filter) to move the goldfish to and move the platies to the 30 gallon tank... Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39429	From: Raymond Tremor	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Help with ram's horn snail

How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39430	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

what do rams horn snails look like? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 8:51 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. =0 AOr e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39431	From: darlene	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

Well the betta is still doing ok, eats well, swims around, I used some prazipro a few days ago and nothing has changed, the fish is still fat bellied, guess he just takes after his momma lol I cut back a bit more on the food they get not happy fish !! lol We are all on a diet !! lolol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 9 avril 2009 21:29 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta While fish can get fat, there's a difference between being bloated and fat. Bloating will happen only in the area of the digestive tract, if it's digestive bloating. Fat will be more uniform and the fish will just be bigger. A Betta's digestive system is so crammed into the thoracic area of the fish that they are a lot different than many other fish. Most fish have their anal opening down near the tail region of the fish, which further shows their digestive tract is elongated, where the Betta's anal opening is right at the end of the thoracic section, where the flesh of the tail region connects to the hard thoracic region. Dang... I used to have a good website that showed a Betta's anatomy in clear detail but it's no longer a working website... another one bites the dust! The scales sticking out slightly ONLY in the area where it is bloated is normal and not a sign of dropsy. Dropsy affects the entire fish and causes the entire fish to be bloated, not just a certain area... so that's a good thing but you are not out of risk yet until we are sure this is just constipation and not an internal bacteria infection. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta No trouble swimming, begs constantly for food (gets fed once a day), scales stick out slightly (stretched?) where stomach is bloated, used to get freeze dried blood worms that are now soaked in water about 10 - 15 minutes before he gets them. Also eats the veggie flake food for the platies and the shrimp pellets after they soften and break up. I am wondering if the fish is really constipated or just fat from over eating. Will do my water parameters tomorrow as I just got home from work and I am off tomorrow ! yeah!! Tomorrow morning is tank cleaning day then I am going to see someone about a fish tank. I was offered a 105 gallon tank with stand, cover and lights (no filter, decorations etc) for 400.00$ told them that is was too expensive for me. I am trying to get this other tank for 100.00 (100 gallon tank with cover, lights, stand, accessories and filter) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 19:59 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta Do the scales stick out or is he just very bloated looking? does he have any problems swimming? Try looking at this website on constipation for betta's. http://www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/constipation.php Amber darlene wrote: > > > I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very > bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. > > What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't > touch peas ..... > > Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39432	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

Raymond   try and empty medicine bottle punch a hole big enough for the snails to get but not to come out.place some algae wafers inside and then place in the bottom of the tank this works for me everytime..thous remember don't flush the snails place them in the garbage. --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> wrote: From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:51 PM How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39433	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: constipated (?) Betta

Why did you use PraziPro? Certainly, it's a good medicine but I don't see where it was applicable in the case of your bloated Betta. The good news is that it won't really hurt anything and if there were certain external parasites or gill flukes, the PraziPro would do them in. I pre-treat all of my new fish with PraziPro while they are in quarantine since it's such a mild medicine and doesn't adversely affect the fish and will kill off certain external/gill parasites. Although PraziPro is not recommended for internal parasites, I guess it might have some effect on them but I do not think this is/was your problem. It was either constipation/digestive related or bacterial infection causing swelling in one or more internal organs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta Well the betta is still doing ok, eats well, swims around, I used some prazipro a few days ago and nothing has changed, the fish is still fat bellied, guess he just takes after his momma lol I cut back a bit more on the food they get... not happy fish !! lol We are all on a diet !! lolol Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 9 avril 2009 21:29 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta While fish can get fat, there's a difference between being bloated and fat. Bloating will happen only in the area of the digestive tract, if it's digestive bloating. Fat will be more uniform and the fish will just be bigger. A Betta's digestive system is so crammed into the thoracic area of the fish that they are a lot different than many other fish. Most fish have their anal opening down near the tail region of the fish, which further shows their digestive tract is elongated, where the Betta's anal opening is right at the end of the thoracic section, where the flesh of the tail region connects to the hard thoracic region. Dang... I used to have a good website that showed a Betta's anatomy in clear detail but it's no longer a working website... another one bites the dust! The scales sticking out slightly ONLY in the area where it is bloated is normal and not a sign of dropsy. Dropsy affects the entire fish and causes the entire fish to be bloated, not just a certain area... so that's a good thing but you are not out of risk yet until we are sure this is just constipation and not an internal bacteria infection. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of darlene Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta No trouble swimming, begs constantly for food (gets fed once a day), scales stick out slightly (stretched?) where stomach is bloated, used to get freeze dried blood worms that are now soaked in water about 10 - 15 minutes before he gets them. Also eats the veggie flake food for the platies and the shrimp pellets after they soften and break up. I am wondering if the fish is really constipated or just fat from over eating. Will do my water parameters tomorrow as I just got home from work and I am off tomorrow ! yeah!! Tomorrow morning is tank cleaning day then I am going to see someone about a fish tank. I was offered a 105 gallon tank with stand, cover and lights (no filter, decorations etc) for 400.00$ told them that is was too expensive for me. I am trying to get this other tank for 100.00 (100 gallon tank with cover, lights, stand, accessories and filter) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 9 avril 2009 19:59 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] constipated (?) Betta Do the scales stick out or is he just very bloated looking? does he have any problems swimming? Try looking at this website on constipation for betta's. http://www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/constipation.php Amber darlene wrote: > > > I think my betta fish is constipated because the abdomen area is very > bloated, but the fish is still eating well.. > > What can I try to relieve constipation for the fish .... It won't > touch peas ..... > > Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39434	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

Applesnail.net has a good page on "Various Other Snails" (besides Apple and Mystery Snails) which is the primary purpose of the site. They do use the scientific names primarily but in the summary sections, they mention the common names. If you use your browser's "Find On This Page" feature, you can find the Ramshorn section with no problem. To make it simple, Ramshorn snails are in this section "Family Planorbidae" which is about 1/2 way down the page. http://www.applesnail.net/content/snails_various.php Here is the AppleSnail's page on Snail Eradication... http://www.applesnail.net/content/various/eradication.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail what do rams horn snails look like? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 8:51 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. =0 AOr e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39435	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

I actually found where someone else said he wouldn't use this brand because the company refuses to say how much is in it. I thought at one point they did. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Are you trying to make medicated food? If yes, go back to http://www.hikariusa.com and navigate to the product page and there's a link at the bottom on how to make the medicated food using Metro+. Here's the link... http://uskoi.com/med_feed_-_general.htm If it's for something else, contact Hikari via their Contact Us page which has a form and their 800 phone number... or email them at mailto:fish@... Also complain that the MSDS was not available on their website. Slowly, if we all complain, companies will make these available as they are legally supposed to already be doing. They are guilty, like many sites, of not having their product MSDS sheets readily available. I Googled for either Hikari Metro+ MSDS and for Aquarium Solutions Metro+ MSDS and neither came up with any hits. Last, but not least, I did a search of the MSDS database that WalMart.com has (link near the bottom of the page) but they do not have any MSDS for Hikari or Aquarium Solution products.. nor for the Metro+. While on the subject of MSDS sheets... KUDOS goes out to http://www.WalMart.com for having an extensive searchable database of MSDS sheets on the products they carry. Also, sites like http://www.SeaChem.com and API's site, http://www.AquariumPharm.com DO have their MSDS sheets available on their sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39436	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

You should ask Hikari yourself... unless this other anonymous person has provided you with a copy of an email from Hikari verifying what they are saying. I can't imagine Hikari taking that position but I guess anything is possible. Have you sent Hikari an email yet? You might have already had an answer if you had. As far as I'm concerned, Hikari is a reputable company and while they may not have all of the best products, their products are generally in the upper class of products. I've used many of their products over the years and haven't really heard much bad about them in forums over the years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? I actually found where someone else said he wouldn't use this brand because the company refuses to say how much is in it. I thought at one point they did. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Are you trying to make medicated food? If yes, go back to http://www.hikariusa.com and navigate to the product page and there's a link at the bottom on how to make the medicated food using Metro+. Here's the link... http://uskoi.com/med_feed_-_general.htm If it's for something else, contact Hikari via their Contact Us page which has a form and their 800 phone number... or email them at mailto:fish@... Also complain that the MSDS was not available on their website. Slowly, if we all complain, companies will make these available as they are legally supposed to already be doing. They are guilty, like many sites, of not having their product MSDS sheets readily available. I Googled for either Hikari Metro+ MSDS and for Aquarium Solutions Metro+ MSDS and neither came up with any hits. Last, but not least, I did a search of the MSDS database that WalMart.com has (link near the bottom of the page) but they do not have any MSDS for Hikari or Aquarium Solution products.. nor for the Metro+. While on the subject of MSDS sheets... KUDOS goes out to http://www.WalMart.com for having an extensive searchable database of MSDS sheets on the products they carry. Also, sites like http://www.SeaChem.com and API's site, http://www.AquariumPharm.com DO have their MSDS sheets available on their sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39437	From: Gwydryn@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

In a message dated 4/19/2009 8:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lovemoako@... writes: How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. I HAVE BEN TRAPPING THE THINGS WITH VEGGIES THAT THE PLECO WONT EAT THEN DROP THE THING (VEGGIE+ SNAILS) IN MY TURTLE POND. SADLY THERE IS VERY LITTLE PROGRESS, SEEMS THE MORE I TAKE OUT THE MORE I GET. tHE TURTLES ARENT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ESCARGOT, THOU. ENID "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39438	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: The Great Computer Battle!

For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19” wide screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 for those “Power Users” in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatible”! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp” fix. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39439	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals > we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19” wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Users” in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatible”! Why > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp” fix. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39440	From: William	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

If your clown loach is not taking care of them then you are probably overfeeding the tank and the clown loach is filling up with the food you are feeding and leaving plenty of food for the snails to eat and reproduce. Cut back on the feeding so that the snails do not have as much to ear, float a piece of lettuce (or other green) leaf in the tank at night and remove in the morning with the snails , repeat this process as many times as necessary until the snail population is under control.You can also crush the smaller snails against the glass so that your fish have some fresh "live" food.You do not want a complete die off or otherwise you might end up with a polluted tank from too many dead snails. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gwydryn@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2009 8:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > lovemoako@... writes: > > How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium > but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the > snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them > at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn > snails? Thanks in advance. > > > > I HAVE BEN TRAPPING THE THINGS WITH VEGGIES THAT THE PLECO WONT EAT THEN > DROP THE THING (VEGGIE+ SNAILS) IN MY TURTLE POND. SADLY THERE IS VERY > LITTLE PROGRESS, SEEMS THE MORE I TAKE OUT THE MORE I GET. tHE TURTLES ARENT > COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ESCARGOT, THOU. > ENID > > "One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are > when you don't come home at night" - Margaret Mead > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39441	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an “old” friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I’d like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39442	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

Many of these things can be great. Just be sure you never use them as an excuse not to do your PWC's. If you do not do your PWC's you are going to end up in trouble, with or without the added poly pad or any other chemical gimmick. I know I have little practical experience, but I have been reading alot and so feel that I am correct. I await answers from those with MUCH, MUCH more experience than I... On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > > The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an > “old” friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. > > Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, > I’d like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction > with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. > > Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39443	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

XP will use up to 3GB RAM. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals > we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19” wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Users” in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatible”! Why > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp” fix. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39444	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

That is one of them impregnated filtration pads (you'll often see black carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... most likely impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite since it claims to remove "ammonia, heavy metals, phosphates and more". While this sounds like a good idea, the downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when you first start using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your N-bacteria colony dies back. Then, when the media is full of ammonia and can absorb no more, you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical ammonia bioload from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient N-bacteria to handle the ammonia from your bioload. Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy metals, that is not much of a concern. The Prime also detoxifies a certain amount of ammonia you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making it edible to N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern. If you have high phosphates, then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate removing media based on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from you where you have a phosphate problem. Technically, with your low pH water, you don't really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH higher level in low pH water before it becomes toxic. I usually suggest Prime to folks who have water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during cycling if they are stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times is the best poly filter pad material that I've come across and it's much less expensive. A 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a 12" x 12" sheet of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a regular basis unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other Zeolite products. If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then the carbon should do it... at a MUCH lower price. If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does change colors from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when it's completely full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change it. If you use Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not remove ammonia and possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to research this yet) but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and the Purigen can be cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and some water so it is only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used over and over for quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet that will filter up to a 50G tank. I use Purigen in my goldfish tank since it is much better than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing money in the garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every couple of weeks and it may not even be full yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an "old" friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I'd like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39445	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

\\Steve//, I had understood it was 2GB also for XP Home and up to 4GB for XP Pro... in the 32-bit systems. Based on your reply, I did some Googling and I see where there is a way to "flip a switch" to increase it from 2GB to 3GB. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317 But this Microsoft page says it's only 2GB (2nd link below) but then goes on to say much more technical info and then further down the page, it says XP Home can have up to 4GB (3rd link below). Go figure. LOL http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_limits _windows_xp IMO, Windows will run OK with only 512MB of RAM but 1GB of RAM will make things much, much better. That's the most I have on any of my Windows XP machines... and one of them only has 384MB and runs fine as long as I don't try to have too many apps running. I do keep Outlook 2003 and IE7 running with no problems... and Comodo Internet Security which is a LOW resource internet security suite (compared to Norton, McAfee, etc. which are complete resource HOGS)... and Comodo is FREE!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! XP will use up to 3GB RAM. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19" wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those "Power Users" in the crowd. It's a good running machine at a > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > have failed to see the words I long to see "Backward Compatible"! Why > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good "temp" fix. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39446	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

Lenny, Is this what I see some people put in bags of fish when shipping them? I have received fish with some sort of filter pad and it is supposed to help keep the water cleaner for the fish during shipping. Pam That is one of them impregnated filtration pads (you'll often see black carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... most likely impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite since it claims to remove "ammonia, heavy metals, phosphates and more". While this sounds like a good idea, the downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when you first start using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your N-bacteria colony dies back. Then, when the media is full of ammonia and can absorb no more, you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical ammonia bioload from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient N-bacteria to handle the ammonia from your bioload. Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy metals, that is not much of a concern. The Prime also detoxifies a certain amount of ammonia you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making it edible to N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern. If you have high phosphates, then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate removing media based on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from you where you have a phosphate problem. Technically, with your low pH water, you don't really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH higher level in low pH water before it becomes toxic. I usually suggest Prime to folks who have water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during cycling if they are stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times is the best poly filter pad material that I've come across and it's much less expensive. A 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a 12" x 12" sheet of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a regular basis unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other Zeolite products. If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then the carbon should do it... at a MUCH lower price. If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does change colors from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when it's completely full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change it. If you use Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not remove ammonia and possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to research this yet) but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and the Purigen can be cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and some water so it is only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used over and over for quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet that will filter up to a 50G tank. I use Purigen in my goldfish tank since it is much better than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing money in the garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every couple of weeks and it may not even be full yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an "old" friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I'd like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39447	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

HI \\Steve// Thanks, I've hear that too but what happens to gig #4. Config issue here with two slots only. Right now 1x1 to get the 1024. Would replace as 2 x 2 at 2 gigs each. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:30 PM > XP will use up to 3GB RAM. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just > going downhill > > in Win XP, > > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer > this. > > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and > here is the link: > > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? > product_id= 10858496 > > > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, > NOT! > > > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive > and could not > > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special > check on line revealed > > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth > of peripherals > > we have either! I knew there would be some problems > with a Vista > > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, > nothing worked. That > > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim > will make file > > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent > 19â€� wide screen > > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy > to upgrade to 4 > > for those “Power Usersâ€� in the crowd. > It’s a good running machine at a > > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the > hump until > > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its > customers. Lately, > > I have been reading the trades and posts here about > Windows 7, but I > > have failed to see the words I long to see > “Backward Compatibleâ€�! Why > > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a > good “tempâ€� fix. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , > .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , > .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39448	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

I don't know but I guess it's possible. It's pretty expensive if used for that purpose. I've never gotten any fish in with any kind of filter media in it. More than likely, the shipper might have just take a piece of normal poly-pad that is cycled and put that in the bag to keep the water "cycled" in the bag. You'd have to ask the shipper what this added thing is. Some shippers use Prime or other ammonia detoxifying water treatment. The best thing I've seen that shippers can use are the breathable bags that allow for O2 to ingas into the bag and CO2 to outgas out of the bag. This also allows the shipper to fill the bag completely with water instead of only 1/4th full so there is less sloshing of the water in the bag and four times more water volume so any ammonia, etc. would be diluted to 1/4th the amount. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:01 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter Lenny, Is this what I see some people put in bags of fish when shipping them? I have received fish with some sort of filter pad and it is supposed to help keep the water cleaner for the fish during shipping. Pam That is one of them impregnated filtration pads (you'll often see black carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... most likely impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite since it claims to remove "ammonia, heavy metals, phosphates and more". While this sounds like a good idea, the downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when you first start using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your N-bacteria colony dies back. Then, when the media is full of ammonia and can absorb no more, you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical ammonia bioload from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient N-bacteria to handle the ammonia from your bioload. Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy metals, that is not much of a concern. The Prime also detoxifies a certain amount of ammonia you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making it edible to N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern. If you have high phosphates, then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate removing media based on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from you where you have a phosphate problem. Technically, with your low pH water, you don't really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH higher level in low pH water before it becomes toxic. I usually suggest Prime to folks who have water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during cycling if they are stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times is the best poly filter pad material that I've come across and it's much less expensive. A 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a 12" x 12" sheet of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a regular basis unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other Zeolite products. If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then the carbon should do it... at a MUCH lower price. If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does change colors from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when it's completely full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change it. If you use Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not remove ammonia and possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to research this yet) but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and the Purigen can be cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and some water so it is only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used over and over for quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet that will filter up to a 50G tank. I use Purigen in my goldfish tank since it is much better than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing money in the garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every couple of weeks and it may not even be full yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an "old" friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I'd like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39449	From: bill1433	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

Thanks Len, Still undecided about the poly pad. Already purchased the blue media we talked about before. Sounds like the poly pad is something that you have to keep going with once you start, and have concerns over possible pH drop that Dawn pointed out. With mine already at 5.5---------------------just not good. We can hold that but we don’t want any sudden spikes either. Rams don’t like that type of stuff. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:42 PM > That is one of them impregnated > filtration pads (you'll often see black > carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... > most likely > impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite > since it claims to remove "ammonia, > heavy metals, phosphates and more".  While this sounds > like a good idea, the > downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when > you first start > using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your > N-bacteria colony > dies back.  Then, when the media is full of ammonia > and can absorb no more, > you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical > ammonia bioload > from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient > N-bacteria to > handle the ammonia from your bioload.  > > Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy > metals, that is not > much of a concern.  The Prime also detoxifies a > certain amount of ammonia > you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making > it edible to > N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern.  If you > have high phosphates, > then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate > removing media based > on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from > you where you > have a phosphate problem.  Technically, with your low > pH water, you don't > really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH > higher level in low pH > water before it becomes toxic.  I usually suggest > Prime to folks who have > water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during > cycling if they are > stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. > > The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times > is the best poly > filter pad material that I've come across and it's much > less expensive.  A > 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a > 12" x 12" sheet > of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a > regular basis > unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other > Zeolite > products. > > If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then > the carbon > should do it... at a MUCH lower price. > > If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does > change colors > from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when > it's completely > full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change > it.  If you use > Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not > remove ammonia and > possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to > research this yet) > but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and > the Purigen can be > cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and > some water so it is > only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used > over and over for > quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet > that will filter > up to a 50G tank.  I use Purigen in my goldfish tank > since it is much better > than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing > money in the > garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every > couple of weeks > and it may not even be full yet. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter > > > > The other week shopping on line I came across what I think > is an "old" > friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. > > Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience > with it, I'd like > your comments.  My big concern here would be its use > in conjunction with the > product, Prime which is a water conditioner. > > Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it > does: > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39450	From: Mark Nelson	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

That is not really true. I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of the components in your system must have a physical memory address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system memory. How are you verifying that your older components won’t work with Vista? Just because the manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t work. They may function just fine with a generic driver. The best way to find out would be to connect it to a Vista machine and try it. - Mark Nelson marknelson@... <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39451	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

Yeah I bought those breather bags and the BN plecos didn't arrive alive. They punctured the bags. So I'm back to using the regular bags for shipping them. I could use them for the shrimp though. As for the filter pad, they cut a tiny piece and put it in the bag with the fish. It helps keep the water cleaner for them. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:21:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter I don't know but I guess it's possible. It's pretty expensive if used for that purpose. I've never gotten any fish in with any kind of filter media in it. More than likely, the shipper might have just take a piece of normal poly-pad that is cycled and put that in the bag to keep the water "cycled" in the bag. You'd have to ask the shipper what this added thing is. Some shippers use Prime or other ammonia detoxifying water treatment. The best thing I've seen that shippers can use are the breathable bags that allow for O2 to ingas into the bag and CO2 to outgas out of the bag. This also allows the shipper to fill the bag completely with water instead of only 1/4th full so there is less sloshing of the water in the bag and four times more water volume so any ammonia, etc. would be diluted to 1/4th the amount. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:01 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter Lenny, Is this what I see some people put in bags of fish when shipping them? I have received fish with some sort of filter pad and it is supposed to help keep the water cleaner for the fish during shipping. Pam That is one of them impregnated filtration pads (you'll often see black carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... most likely impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite since it claims to remove "ammonia, heavy metals, phosphates and more". While this sounds like a good idea, the downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when you first start using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your N-bacteria colony dies back. Then, when the media is full of ammonia and can absorb no more, you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical ammonia bioload from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient N-bacteria to handle the ammonia from your bioload. Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy metals, that is not much of a concern. The Prime also detoxifies a certain amount of ammonia you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making it edible to N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern. If you have high phosphates, then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate removing media based on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from you where you have a phosphate problem. Technically, with your low pH water, you don't really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH higher level in low pH water before it becomes toxic. I usually suggest Prime to folks who have water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during cycling if they are stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times is the best poly filter pad material that I've come across and it's much less expensive. A 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a 12" x 12" sheet of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a regular basis unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other Zeolite products. If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then the carbon should do it... at a MUCH lower price. If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does change colors from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when it's completely full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change it. If you use Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not remove ammonia and possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to research this yet) but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and the Purigen can be cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and some water so it is only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used over and over for quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet that will filter up to a 50G tank. I use Purigen in my goldfish tank since it is much better than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing money in the garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every couple of weeks and it may not even be full yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an "old" friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I'd like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39452	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

But, you seem to be neglecting the most popular uses of polyfilter. Put a snip of it in a bag of fish when shipping, and the fish will arrive in better shape since it till help with keeping the ammonia level down. Taking fish to an auction? Same deal, out a snip of it in the bag with the fish, and, again, healthier, happier fish. In fact, using it anytime fish are going to be bagged for more than an hour or so, polyfilter can help. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter That is one of them impregnated filtration pads (you'll often see black carbon impregnated pads with some filter cartridges)... most likely impregnated with a variety of Zeolite compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite since it claims to remove "ammonia, heavy metals, phosphates and more". While this sounds like a good idea, the downside is that when the media absorbs the ammonia, when you first start using it, it can starve your nitrifying bacteria so your N-bacteria colony dies back. Then, when the media is full of ammonia and can absorb no more, you get an ammonia spike of up to 5ppm in a day (a typical ammonia bioload from a fully stocked tank) since you do not have sufficient N-bacteria to handle the ammonia from your bioload. Since you are already using Prime, which treats heavy metals, that is not much of a concern. The Prime also detoxifies a certain amount of ammonia you may have while cycling a new tank, while still making it edible to N-bacteria so ammonia should not be a concern. If you have high phosphates, then there are specialized and rechargeable phosphate removing media based on one of the zeolite's... but I haven't seen anything from you where you have a phosphate problem. Technically, with your low pH water, you don't really need the Prime since ammonia can get to a MUCH higher level in low pH water before it becomes toxic. I usually suggest Prime to folks who have water with a baseline of 7.5 or above, especially during cycling if they are stuck with cycling with fish in a new tank. The Blue-White stuff that I've referred you to a few times is the best poly filter pad material that I've come across and it's much less expensive. A 12" x 36" sheet of Blue-White pad is under $5.00, whereas a 12" x 12" sheet of that stuff is $30.00 and would have to be trashed on a regular basis unless it can be recharged with a brine solution like other Zeolite products. If you just want to remove discoloration in the water, then the carbon should do it... at a MUCH lower price. If you want to use this product, the upside is that it does change colors from white to green to brown and ultimately to black when it's completely full of stuff so at least you get an idea of when to change it. If you use Purigen, it will do the same thing, except it will not remove ammonia and possibly not remove phosphates (I've never bothered to research this yet) but it will remove all the other stuff from the water and the Purigen can be cleaned/recharged with a few ounces of common bleach and some water so it is only pennies to clean/recharge it and then can be re-used over and over for quite a while and costs less than $10.00 for a 100ml packet that will filter up to a 50G tank. I use Purigen in my goldfish tank since it is much better than carbon and is rechargeable so I'm not just throwing money in the garbage like when using carbon and having to trash it every couple of weeks and it may not even be full yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an "old" friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I'd like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

If you put in four, and flip that switch, as you say (actually, modify a line in the BOOT.INI file) it will use the four, but you lose some flexibility and functionality with it. Therefore 3GB is the realistic limit on RAM for XP. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! \\Steve//, I had understood it was 2GB also for XP Home and up to 4GB for XP Pro... in the 32-bit systems. Based on your reply, I did some Googling and I see where there is a way to "flip a switch" to increase it from 2GB to 3GB. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317 But this Microsoft page says it's only 2GB (2nd link below) but then goes on to say much more technical info and then further down the page, it says XP Home can have up to 4GB (3rd link below). Go figure. LOL http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_li mits _windows_xp IMO, Windows will run OK with only 512MB of RAM but 1GB of RAM will make things much, much better. That's the most I have on any of my Windows XP machines... and one of them only has 384MB and runs fine as long as I don't try to have too many apps running. I do keep Outlook 2003 and IE7 running with no problems... and Comodo Internet Security which is a LOW resource internet security suite (compared to Norton, McAfee, etc. which are complete resource HOGS)... and Comodo is FREE!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! XP will use up to 3GB RAM. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19" wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those "Power Users" in the crowd. It's a good running machine at a > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > have failed to see the words I long to see "Backward Compatible"! Why > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good "temp" fix. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39454	From: pam andress	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

See that's exactly what I was asking! Thanks Steve!! Pam Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter But, you seem to be neglecting the most popular uses of polyfilter. Put a snip of it in a bag of fish when shipping, and the fish will arrive in better shape since it till help with keeping the ammonia level down. Taking fish to an auction? Same deal, out a snip of it in the bag with the fish, and, again, healthier, happier fish. In fact, using it anytime fish are going to be bagged for more than an hour or so, polyfilter can help. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39455	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Hi Steve; I have done more research on the information as I build computers. I have a newer type Asus board computer that reports 3.5GB using the XP Pro 32 bit system. I was told that 4GB is possible with 64 bit XP OS due to addressing bit length which would make sense. The Task Manager reads a total of 3,668,396KB. I hope this helps. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago ** Steve Szabo wrote: > > > If you put in four, and flip that switch, as you say (actually, modify a > line in the BOOT.INI file) it will use the four, but you lose some > flexibility and functionality with it. Therefore 3GB is the realistic > limit on RAM for XP. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > \\Steve//, > > I had understood it was 2GB also for XP Home and up to 4GB for XP Pro... > in > the 32-bit systems. > > Based on your reply, I did some Googling and I see where there is a way > to > "flip a switch" to increase it from 2GB to 3GB. > > http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317 > <http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317> > > But this Microsoft page says it's only 2GB (2nd link below) but then > goes on > to say much more technical info and then further down the page, it says > XP > Home can have up to 4GB (3rd link below). Go figure. LOL > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_li > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_li> > mits > _windows_xp > > IMO, Windows will run OK with only 512MB of RAM but 1GB of RAM will make > things much, much better. That's the most I have on any of my Windows > XP > machines... and one of them only has 384MB and runs fine as long as I > don't > try to have too many apps running. I do keep Outlook 2003 and IE7 > running > with no problems... and Comodo Internet Security which is a LOW resource > internet security suite (compared to Norton, McAfee, etc. which are > complete > resource HOGS)... and Comodo is FREE!!! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > XP will use up to 3GB RAM. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless > as > windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs > are > useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think > it's > there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > > > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19" wide screen > > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > > for those "Power Users" in the crowd. It's a good running machine at a > > > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > > > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > > have failed to see the words I long to see "Backward Compatible"! Why > > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good "temp" fix. > > > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39456	From: Dave H.	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

I think there is a solution of Snail Rid that comes in a bottle at the petstore.   Or go there.  There is a bunch of answers here.  I also heard that the Puffer fish Loves snails.  UGH!!!     The way I do it is by controlling it.  Feed them an Algae tablet, then take the net, scoop as much as you can, then give it to the fish store.  They will appreciate it.  Here's the link   http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042201783   Good luck!! Dave --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> wrote: From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:51 PM How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39457	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: An Old Friend? The Poly Filter

You can actually get filter media that remove only the phosphate. Activated charcoal should remove medication. Problem with removing nitrogen wastes is that it tends to kill off your bacteria or delay them from developing, because they end up with no food. They can be useful in an emergency, however. So can Prime. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] An Old Friend? The Poly Filter The other week shopping on line I came across what I think is an “old” friend, one that I used religiously many years ago. Anybody using this product now or has a bit of experience with it, I’d like your comments. My big concern here would be its use in conjunction with the product, Prime which is a water conditioner. Here is the link where I found it and a bit of what it does: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4335 Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39458	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

-----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave H. Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail I think there is a solution of Snail Rid that comes in a bottle at the petstore.   Or go there.  There is a bunch of answers here.  I also heard that the Puffer fish Loves snails.  UGH!!!     The way I do it is by controlling it.  Feed them an Algae tablet, then take the net, scoop as much as you can, then give it to the fish store.  They will appreciate it.  Here's the link   http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042201783   Good luck!! Dave --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> wrote: From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:51 PM How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free online subscription. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". This is the message that was sent: *************** *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * All the best, Aquaria Central

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39460	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: Help with ram's horn snail

I would not add any chemicals to the tank. Pretty easy to hand-pick the large ones. Clown loaches like to be in groups of six in a 72” tank get him some help! Lettuce also works as bait, leave it overnight and remove lettuce and snails in the morning. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave H. Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail I think there is a solution of Snail Rid that comes in a bottle at the petstore. Or go there. There is a bunch of answers here. I also heard that the Puffer fish Loves snails. UGH!!! The way I do it is by controlling it. Feed them an Algae tablet, then take the net, scoop as much as you can, then give it to the fish store. They will appreciate it. Here's the link http://uk.answers <http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042201783> yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042201783 Good luck!! Dave --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@gmail. <mailto:lovemoako%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Raymond Tremor <lovemoako@gmail. <mailto:lovemoako%40gmail.com> com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with ram's horn snail To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:51 PM How do I get rid of ram's horn snails? I have clown loach in the aquarium but still have lots of ram's horn snail. I see the loach nibbling on the snails but the small ones, the big ones I don't think they are touching them at all. Can any one give me info on how to get rid of the ram's horn snails? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39461	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Hi Mark,   With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work.   You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install.   Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files.  We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over.   I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan.  If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade?  Simple they can’t make it.  If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves.  That’s just what we need, more people out of work.   Bill   --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true.  > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM.  > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using.  32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses.  In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista?  Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work.  They may function just fine with a generic > driver.  The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39462	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

I run several of my x64 systems with 24 or more GBs of RAM. I can then run several Hyper-v systems for special tasks in 3 GB of RAM, for x86 systems and 4+ RAM for x64 systems. X64 OSs will take an enormous amount of RAM, if their motherboards will. troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Palermo Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Steve; I have done more research on the information as I build computers. I have a newer type Asus board computer that reports 3.5GB using the XP Pro 32 bit system. I was told that 4GB is possible with 64 bit XP OS due to addressing bit length which would make sense. The Task Manager reads a total of 3,668,396KB. I hope this helps. Best regards, Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago ** Steve Szabo wrote: > > > If you put in four, and flip that switch, as you say (actually, modify a > line in the BOOT.INI file) it will use the four, but you lose some > flexibility and functionality with it. Therefore 3GB is the realistic > limit on RAM for XP. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > \\Steve//, > > I had understood it was 2GB also for XP Home and up to 4GB for XP Pro... > in > the 32-bit systems. > > Based on your reply, I did some Googling and I see where there is a way > to > "flip a switch" to increase it from 2GB to 3GB. > > http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317 > <http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?threadID=287317> > > But this Microsoft page says it's only 2GB (2nd link below) but then > goes on > to say much more technical info and then further down the page, it says > XP > Home can have up to 4GB (3rd link below). Go figure. LOL > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#memory_limits> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_li > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_li> > mits > _windows_xp > > IMO, Windows will run OK with only 512MB of RAM but 1GB of RAM will make > things much, much better. That's the most I have on any of my Windows > XP > machines... and one of them only has 384MB and runs fine as long as I > don't > try to have too many apps running. I do keep Outlook 2003 and IE7 > running > with no problems... and Comodo Internet Security which is a LOW resource > internet security suite (compared to Norton, McAfee, etc. which are > complete > resource HOGS)... and Comodo is FREE!!! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > XP will use up to 3GB RAM. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram is pointless > as > windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so those extra 2 gigs > are > useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days too, I think > it's > there way of getting more money out of you in the long run ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > > > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19" wide screen > > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > > for those "Power Users" in the crowd. It's a good running machine at a > > > very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until > > Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, > > > I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I > > have failed to see the words I long to see "Backward Compatible"! Why > > do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good "temp" fix. > > > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39463	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Bill, I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more appealing to women. These are proven facts. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19” wide screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 for those “Power Users” in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatible”! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp” fix. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39464	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

That must be why the chicks are hovering around my work truck... cuz I have my Vista laptop running inside it. I thought they were just contractor groupies. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Bill, I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more appealing to women. These are proven facts. Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39465	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Hi Troy!   Your points are very valid.  However, we have two dogs to take care of unwelcome guests.  Should that fail I have an old Remington double barrel with an over extended barrel that always works.  A friend remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted Howitzer with a trigger!   As for being more appealing to woman?  I have to give you that one.  The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out!  <grins>   Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real trouble. But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped the ball with Vista.  Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a computer for the first time, buy it!  I think its the greatest thing since Corn Flakes.  But if your a user that has been around a while, do video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, stay away from it!   Hope I've cleared your mind a bit?   Bill   --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@...> wrote: From: Troy <ntevidence@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM Bill, I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium if you keep steering people away from Vista.  Vista is much better at keeping the criminals out of your home.  Vista also make men more appealing to women.  These are proven facts. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19â€� wide screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 for those “Power Usersâ€� in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatibleâ€�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “tempâ€� fix. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39466	From: Sam Palermo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller. Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! > > Your points are very valid. However, we have two dogs to take care > of unwelcome guests. Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works. A friend remarked > once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted Howitzer > with a trigger! > > As for being more appealing to woman? I have to give you > that one. The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction > when I check out! <grins> > > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with > Vista. Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a computer for > the first > time, buy it! I think its the greatest thing since Corn Flakes. But > if your a user that > has been around a while, do video editing, have a large amount of > personal business files and really believe that a computer is more > than a souped up gaming board, stay away from it! > > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more > appealing to women. These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals > we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19â€� wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Usersâ€� in the crowd. It’s a good running > machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the > hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its > customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about > Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see > “Backward Compatibleâ€�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “tempâ€� fix. > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39467	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Thanks Sam,   I appreciate your remarks and comments.  I think we are all holding our breath and lighting a few candles to boot, in hopes for Widows 7.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> wrote: From: Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:25 AM Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller.  Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! >  > Your points are very valid.  However, we have two dogs to take care > of unwelcome guests.  Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works.  A friend remarked > once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted Howitzer > with a trigger! >  > As for being more appealing to woman?  I have to give you > that one.  The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction > when I check out!  <grins> >  > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with > Vista.  Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a computer for > the first > time, buy it!  I think its the greatest thing since Corn Flakes.  But > if your a user that > has been around a while, do video editing, have a large amount of > personal business files and really believe that a computer is more > than a souped up gaming board, stay away from it! >  > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? >  > Bill >  > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista.  Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home.  Vista also make men more > appealing to women.  These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals > we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19� wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Users� in the crowd. It’s a good running > machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the > hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its > customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about > Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see > “Backward Compatible�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp� fix. > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39468	From: Springer,James C.	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

> From: Amber Berglund > > As far as I know there's not really any fish that like to eat hair > algae, some will eat a little, but not enough to get rid of it. You > basically have to clean it out each week to try to keep it contained :( >> Courtland Jacob wrote: >> just wish i could buy soemthing to eat it My understanding is that Siamese Algae Eaters will consume hair algae. But I wouldn't look at this as the "total" solution. Jim E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39469	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Bill, You may still have backwards compatibility issues, even with Windows 7, with some of your old proprietary files and/or software. Your choices are to either keep an old compatible computer running to run the old software or get the software company to upgrade their drivers and/or software to make it compatible with newer operating systems. I was reading a recent article on an eNewsleter from http://www.WXPNews.com and one part of the article addressed the hardware changes that have also happened over the years where many folks lost their information... "...If you store your photos on removable media, you'll need to check on them now and then and maybe transfer them to new media every few years. How many people still have floppy disks full of pictures - and new computers that don't have floppy drives? Even if the technology itself is still current, it's not a bad idea to copy the contents of optical discs over to a new one every few years. It's difficult to know what the lifespan of a particular DVD or CD may be, since it depends on the quality of the disc, storage conditions, and other factors. Don't just assume you can burn your files to a disc and it will still be good five or ten years from now...." A hard drive that may work perfect today and may still be in perfect condition 10 years from now may simply not work with a computer 10 years from now. In 10 years, hard drives as we know them today, could go the way of the 3.5" and 5" floppy drives... Betamax, 8-track players, etc. LOL... At first, I spelled Betamax as Bettamax. That's what happens when you do geek-speak in a fish group. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Thanks Sam,   I appreciate your remarks and comments.  I think we are all holding our breath and lighting a few candles to boot, in hopes for Widows 7.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> wrote: From: Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:25 AM Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller.  Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! >  > Your points are very valid.  However, we have two dogs to take care of > unwelcome guests.  Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works.  A friend > remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted > Howitzer with a trigger! >  > As for being more appealing to woman?  I have to give you that one.  > The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out!  > <grins> >  > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with Vista.  Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a > computer for the first time, buy it!  I think its the greatest thing > since Corn Flakes.  But if your a user that has been around a while, > do video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and > really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, > stay away from it! >  > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? >  > Bill >  > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista.  Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home.  Vista also make men more > appealing to women.  These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19� wide > screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to > upgrade to 4 for those “Power Users� in the crowd. > It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get > those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, > anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and > posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long > to see “Backward Compatible�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp� fix. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39470	From: goldlenny_blogspot	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I just realized this special is only valid from 4/21 to 4/23 so do this QUICK! Lenny --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm > pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online > edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) > for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you > the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's > supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the > last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. > Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free > online subscription. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > Dear GoldLenny, > > You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, > entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". > > This is the message that was sent: > > *************** > > *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish > Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only > $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! > > http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * > > All the best, > Aquaria Central >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39471	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

You are 100% correct my friend!   And that's my point!!!!!   How do you tranfer if you can't get anything to read anything else!   Neat, huh? And stop worrying about Geek speak on a fish group! Everyone understands that your underwater when you do it!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:56 PM Bill, You may still have backwards compatibility issues, even with Windows 7, with some of your old proprietary files and/or software.  Your choices are to either keep an old compatible computer running to run the old software or get the software company to upgrade their drivers and/or software to make it compatible with newer operating systems.  I was reading a recent article on an eNewsleter from http://www.WXPNews.com and one part of the article addressed the hardware changes that have also happened over the years where many folks lost their information... "...If you store your photos on removable media, you'll need to check on them now and then and maybe transfer them to new media every few years. How many people still have floppy disks full of pictures - and new computers that don't have floppy drives? Even if the technology itself is still current, it's not a bad idea to copy the contents of optical discs over to a new one every few years. It's difficult to know what the lifespan of a particular DVD or CD may be, since it depends on the quality of the disc, storage conditions, and other factors. Don't just assume you can burn your files to a disc and it will still be good five or ten years from now...." A hard drive that may work perfect today and may still be in perfect condition 10 years from now may simply not work with a computer 10 years from now.  In 10 years, hard drives as we know them today, could go the way of the 3.5" and 5" floppy drives... Betamax, 8-track players, etc.  LOL... At first, I spelled Betamax as Bettamax.  That's what happens when you do geek-speak in a fish group. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Thanks Sam,   I appreciate your remarks and comments.  I think we are all holding our breath and lighting a few candles to boot, in hopes for Widows 7.   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> wrote: From: Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:25 AM Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller.  Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! >  > Your points are very valid.  However, we have two dogs to take care of > unwelcome guests.  Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works.  A friend > remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted > Howitzer with a trigger! >  > As for being more appealing to woman?  I have to give you that one.  > The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out!  > <grins> >  > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with Vista.  Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a > computer for the first time, buy it!  I think its the greatest thing > since Corn Flakes.  But if your a user that has been around a while, > do video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and > really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, > stay away from it! >  > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? >  > Bill >  > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista.  Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home.  Vista also make men more > appealing to women.  These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19� wide > screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to > upgrade to 4 for those “Power Users� in the crowd. > It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get > those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, > anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and > posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long > to see “Backward Compatible�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp� fix. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39472	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39473	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: lighting

I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two eclipse natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. obliquen. how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? what kind of color spectrum should i use? someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the same as a 50/50 it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that cause an algea bloom?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39474	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39475	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

Lenny, not to knock your experience, but I won't use something that I don't know the contents. You can certainly do that if you want to, but it's unreasonable to just expect others to. I heard that Seachem makes it, and it's a good product. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? You should ask Hikari yourself... unless this other anonymous person has provided you with a copy of an email from Hikari verifying what they are saying. I can't imagine Hikari taking that position but I guess anything is possible. Have you sent Hikari an email yet? You might have already had an answer if you had. As far as I'm concerned, Hikari is a reputable company and while they may not have all of the best products, their products are generally in the upper class of products. I've used many of their products over the years and haven't really heard much bad about them in forums over the years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? I actually found where someone else said he wouldn't use this brand because the company refuses to say how much is in it. I thought at one point they did. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Are you trying to make medicated food? If yes, go back to http://www.hikariusa.com and navigate to the product page and there's a link at the bottom on how to make the medicated food using Metro+. Here's the link... http://uskoi.com/med_feed_-_general.htm If it's for something else, contact Hikari via their Contact Us page which has a form and their 800 phone number... or email them at mailto:fish@... Also complain that the MSDS was not available on their website. Slowly, if we all complain, companies will make these available as they are legally supposed to already be doing. They are guilty, like many sites, of not having their product MSDS sheets readily available. I Googled for either Hikari Metro+ MSDS and for Aquarium Solutions Metro+ MSDS and neither came up with any hits. Last, but not least, I did a search of the MSDS database that WalMart.com has (link near the bottom of the page) but they do not have any MSDS for Hikari or Aquarium Solution products.. nor for the Metro+. While on the subject of MSDS sheets... KUDOS goes out to http://www.WalMart.com for having an extensive searchable database of MSDS sheets on the products they carry. Also, sites like http://www.SeaChem.com and API's site, http://www.AquariumPharm.com DO have their MSDS sheets available on their sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39476	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Bugs??????   Dora this OS is a full epidemic!  Stay away from it!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:07 PM Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Dora, Vista, per se, does not have any bugs... well I'm sure some, but no more than any other operating system. There are tons of things in the computer world that do not work on Mac's. That doesn't mean that it's the Mac's OSX operating system... just that the hardware/software was not designed to work on Mac's. The problem, for some, with Vista, is that some peripherals and software that worked on older versions of Windows do not work with Vista and many of the manufacturers of those peripherals and software did not upgrade their software or drivers to work on Vista. If you buy a new computer, new printer and other new stuff to work with it, they all work fine with Vista.. it's just the older stuff that doesn't. Just like the old 3.5" and 5" floppy discs will not work on any of my computers... well, I take that back, one of my computers still has a 3.5" drive in it but I haven't tried using that drive in a LONG time... maybe never. Bill's issues with Vista is that he not only upgraded from Windows XP to Vista but also went from the 32-bit XP operating system to Vista's 64-bit operating system. Had he gone to the Vista 32-bit operating system, which is what I have, more of his stuff would have worked... still not all of it, but a lot more of it would have. I've only had one thing not work for me on my six month old Vista laptop and that was the internet connection software that they use at Kinko's. All of the stuff in my home/office work OK so far, although I haven't tried every thing on the new computer yet since most of it is connected to my XP desk top. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39478	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole?

I'm not sure what you mean by "I heard that SeaChem makes it"? We've been talking about Hikari all along. Did you ever email Hikari to ask them for the MSDS... or the exact percentages of each ingredient? Many products we (and you) use every day do not list the exact percentages of each ingredient.. just the list, which Hikari's Metro+ does list the ingredients but since you want the exact percentages, you need the MSDS or just ask Hikari. You've written to the group several times complaining about this and it could have been solved with a simple email to them. I'm just including this so other members do not think Hikari is a bad brand as it's actually an above average brand. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Lenny, not to knock your experience, but I won't use something that I don't know the contents. You can certainly do that if you want to, but it's unreasonable to just expect others to. I heard that Seachem makes it, and it's a good product. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? You should ask Hikari yourself... unless this other anonymous person has provided you with a copy of an email from Hikari verifying what they are saying. I can't imagine Hikari taking that position but I guess anything is possible. Have you sent Hikari an email yet? You might have already had an answer if you had. As far as I'm concerned, Hikari is a reputable company and while they may not have all of the best products, their products are generally in the upper class of products. I've used many of their products over the years and haven't really heard much bad about them in forums over the years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? I actually found where someone else said he wouldn't use this brand because the company refuses to say how much is in it. I thought at one point they did. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Are you trying to make medicated food? If yes, go back to http://www.hikariusa.com and navigate to the product page and there's a link at the bottom on how to make the medicated food using Metro+. Here's the link... http://uskoi.com/med_feed_-_general.htm If it's for something else, contact Hikari via their Contact Us page which has a form and their 800 phone number... or email them at mailto:fish@... Also complain that the MSDS was not available on their website. Slowly, if we all complain, companies will make these available as they are legally supposed to already be doing. They are guilty, like many sites, of not having their product MSDS sheets readily available. I Googled for either Hikari Metro+ MSDS and for Aquarium Solutions Metro+ MSDS and neither came up with any hits. Last, but not least, I did a search of the MSDS database that WalMart.com has (link near the bottom of the page) but they do not have any MSDS for Hikari or Aquarium Solution products.. nor for the Metro+. While on the subject of MSDS sheets... KUDOS goes out to http://www.WalMart.com for having an extensive searchable database of MSDS sheets on the products they carry. Also, sites like http://www.SeaChem.com and API's site, http://www.AquariumPharm.com DO have their MSDS sheets available on their sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How much Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg metronizadole? Want to follow recipe that calls for 250 mg of metronizadole. Or 500. How do I find out how much Aquarium solutions/ Hikari Metro+ is 250 mg? It does not say on the jar. It refers to a product data sheet, but I can't locate it online, and the web page I did locate doesn't give more information. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39479	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

NO Bill. See my reply to Dora. The Vista OS works fine and has no more bugs than any other OS. You would have had the same problem if you switched from Windows XP to Mac's OSX operating system. Their OS doesn't run a LOT of software that was designed for PC's. You can't blame Apple for that.. it's just that the software designers do not want to invest the R&D into software for a computer system that only has around a 10% market share when they can sell to the 80%+ users of Windows. Many of these software developers just didn't spend the money on upgrading their stuff to run on Vista because Vista didn't catch on with the market place. If a large enough percentage of XP users had upgraded to Vista early on, the software companies would have been falling all over themselves upgrading their products to run on Vista. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Bugs?????? Dora this OS is a full epidemic! Stay away from it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:07 PM Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39480	From: pam andress	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

Thanks Lenny! I just got one. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:11:54 -0500 Subject: [AquaticLife] TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free online subscription. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". This is the message that was sent: *************** *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * All the best, Aquaria Central [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: More on HR 669 - GovTrack.us Tracked Events for 02/14/2009 - 04/20/2

I got this email today from GovTrack.us... under my signature. Under the "Upcoming Events" section, click the top link and you can check out the entire committee for the House Natural Resources and contact each Congressman on that list as well as look at other pending legislation before that committee. The 2nd link deals specifically with HR 669 which is trying to turn all of us into criminals and outlaws. I urge each of you to subscribe to the GovTrack.us service to monitor this bill as well as any others that may interest you. It's one of the easy ways for us to keep an eye on how Congress is trying to bend us over next. ;-) See my most recent blog where I have summarized all of the other good links dealing with HR 669 and how to fax, email and call the (ir)responsible Congressional members using CAPWIZ and other online services... all for FREE. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: GovTrack.us [mailto:operations@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:11 PM To: GoldLenny@... Subject: GovTrack.us Tracked Events for 02/14/2009 - 04/20/2009 GovTrack.us Tracked Events Update This is your email update from www.GovTrack.us. To change your email updates settings, go to your account settings <http://www.govtrack.us/users/yourmonitors.xpd> page. You are currently monitoring: H.R. 669: Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. Congress is in session today. Upcoming Events Apr 23, 2009 - Committee Hearing House Natural Resources <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=HSII> Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife, hearing on H.R. 669, Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act -- Apr 23, 2009 at 10 a.m. H.R. 669 <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-669> : Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act ________________________________ "The right of representation in the legislature [is] a right inestimable to [the people], and formidable to tyrants only." --Thomas Jefferson <http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/> : Declaration of Independence, 1776.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39482	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Len,   Your analysis of the situation is amazing to say the least and astounding to say the most!   Apparently some of your back mails are missing.  Further analysis of the situation will reveal that this Vista sickness does not just extend to Bill but any one trying it with older files and why would you want to UPGRADE to a 32-bit Vista system?  Just how much upgrading was that?  (Apparently you must have missed some remarks from \\Steve//).   Further, if the result had been the Vista machine here being a keeper, I would have lost everything and at that point, I would simply have built my own system.  My point here was to warn others that do not have my skill or background to be weary of it.   Vista is a great system!  Provided your doing as you yourself mentioned.  Starting fresh into computers, buying all new printers, what have you.  If your not and have lots of family memories stored in 16/32 bit format of Windows XP, pictures, video, even music, you have a real problem..  Of course the obvious here is again, just exactly what you touched on, there would be no problem at all, if you went with all brand new stuff.  Microsoft loves to see people wasted money for new equipment when there's nothing wrong with the old stuff.  Just that it can't run in our new Whiz Bang Program.a   All I'm trying to say is that I respect the others in the group that may not have my background and hence may lose some very valuable items.  That was my sole purpose in giving the web link as well as the open comment about the machines performance, which for the money, is very descent.  In short, a blast from the past?  Who could ever forget  Windows 2000?  Where is it today?  Next year, Vista what?   I rest my case!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:37 PM NO Bill.  See my reply to Dora.  The Vista OS works fine and has no more bugs than any other OS.  You would have had the same problem if you switched from Windows XP to Mac's OSX operating system.  Their OS doesn't run a LOT of software that was designed for PC's.  You can't blame Apple for that.. it's just that the software designers do not want to invest the R&D into software for a computer system that only has around a 10% market share when they can sell to the 80%+ users of Windows.  Many of these software developers just didn't spend the money on upgrading their stuff to run on Vista because Vista didn't catch on with the market place.  If a large enough percentage of XP users had upgraded to Vista early on, the software companies would have been falling all over themselves upgrading their products to run on Vista. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Bugs?????? Dora this OS is a full epidemic!  Stay away from it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:07 PM Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@...> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39483	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39484	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

A favorite from my childhood, too. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39485	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

No problem here. You just won’t get to enjoy Halo 2 on XP. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Troy! Your points are very valid. However, we have two dogs to take care of unwelcome guests. Should that fail I have an old Remington double barrel with an over extended barrel that always works. A friend remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted Howitzer with a trigger! As for being more appealing to woman? I have to give you that one. The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out! <grins> Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real trouble. But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped the ball with Vista. Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a computer for the first time, buy it! I think its the greatest thing since Corn Flakes. But if your a user that has been around a while, do video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, stay away from it! Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > wrote: From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM Bill, I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more appealing to women. These are proven facts. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19â€� wide screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 for those “Power Usersâ€� in the crowd. It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see “Backward Compatibleâ€�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “tempâ€� fix. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39486	From: bill1433	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

You know your "oldies" sir!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!    That's one overstocked tank!  I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39487	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

First thing I would do is to kill the white substrate. Very seldom would one see a white substrate in nature. The white will lead the fish to wash out their natural colors. Find some photos of the habitats of your cichlids. You will notice that where there is a substrate shown that is "sandy" or "fine" as opposed to rocky, that the substrate tends toward the tan/brown colors. Many of the rocks I've seen in rift lake pictures tend to the grey/blue color range. While you are considering how to redo the aquascaping of the tank, consider also which sides of the tank will be used for viewing the fish. Will it just be the long side facing the room, or do you want to also be able to view the fish from one or both ends of the tank. The sides that will not be used for viewing should be blocked, somehow, so that ambient light does not come into the tank from those sides. Whether you utilize objects in the tank, paint the glass, or use a manufactured background would be up to you and your aesthetics. The only thing to keep in mind that these areas should be dark in color. Diet will also factor into the color your fish will develop. Not only do they need a diet to fulfill their nutritional needs, but it should also contain a certain amount of carotenes to help develop color. Water parameters will also have an effect. An example I like to use is a white cloud. Most people do not see its true colors because they are kept in water that is too warm for them. They are actually temperate water fish, and do not do well in tanks whose temperatures are kept high for more tropical fish. The back of the fish should be a deep olive color, the white should be brilliant, as should be the red spots, and the yellow-gold stripe should be bright and iridescent. pH and hardness can also be factors in coloration. Genetics also plays a role, but, there is nothing you can do about that. Finally, you can consider lighting. The natural daylight bulbs should show the fishes' natural color. If this is not sufficient for you, then you can start changing bulbs looking for those that will enhance the colors you think you want to see. Blue areas in a fish will absorb all colors of the spectrum, except certain blue wave lengths, which are reflected back to show you the color blue. Yellow does the same, except it reflects back certain yellow wavelengths. Black will absorb all wave lengths, but will also reflect back a certain percentage of wave lengths that will see, say a blue-black area. White will reflect back almost all light hitting that surface. Getting the right combination of bulbs to give off the proper wavelengths of light can be difficult. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two eclipse natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. obliquen. how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? what kind of color spectrum should i use? someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the same as a 50/50 it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that cause an algea bloom?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39488	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Redundancy. Don’t keep important stuff on one medium or media type. I use RAID 5 arrays for daily work, and copy to server storage. Home Servers are quite handy and very inexpensive. At work, I am trying to fill a 30 TB SAN. I need challenges. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! You are 100% correct my friend! And that's my point!!!!! How do you tranfer if you can't get anything to read anything else! Neat, huh? And stop worrying about Geek speak on a fish group! Everyone understands that your underwater when you do it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:56 PM Bill, You may still have backwards compatibility issues, even with Windows 7, with some of your old proprietary files and/or software. Your choices are to either keep an old compatible computer running to run the old software or get the software company to upgrade their drivers and/or software to make it compatible with newer operating systems. I was reading a recent article on an eNewsleter from http://www.WXPNews.com and one part of the article addressed the hardware changes that have also happened over the years where many folks lost their information... "...If you store your photos on removable media, you'll need to check on them now and then and maybe transfer them to new media every few years. How many people still have floppy disks full of pictures - and new computers that don't have floppy drives? Even if the technology itself is still current, it's not a bad idea to copy the contents of optical discs over to a new one every few years. It's difficult to know what the lifespan of a particular DVD or CD may be, since it depends on the quality of the disc, storage conditions, and other factors. Don't just assume you can burn your files to a disc and it will still be good five or ten years from now...." A hard drive that may work perfect today and may still be in perfect condition 10 years from now may simply not work with a computer 10 years from now. In 10 years, hard drives as we know them today, could go the way of the 3.5" and 5" floppy drives... Betamax, 8-track players, etc. LOL... At first, I spelled Betamax as Bettamax. That's what happens when you do geek-speak in a fish group. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Thanks Sam, I appreciate your remarks and comments. I think we are all holding our breath and lighting a few candles to boot, in hopes for Widows 7. Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@... <mailto:skywavebe%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote: From: Sam Palermo <skywavebe@... <mailto:skywavebe%40sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:25 AM Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller. Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! > > Your points are very valid. However, we have two dogs to take care of > unwelcome guests. Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works. A friend > remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted > Howitzer with a trigger! > > As for being more appealing to woman? I have to give you that one. > The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out! > <grins> > > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with Vista. Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a > computer for the first time, buy it! I think its the greatest thing > since Corn Flakes. But if your a user that has been around a while, > do video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and > really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, > stay away from it! > > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more > appealing to women. These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19� wide > screen monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to > upgrade to 4 for those “Power Users� in the crowd. > It’s a good running machine at a very reasonable price; to get > those suffering over the hump until Microsoft decides to do something, > anything for its customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and > posts here about Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long > to see “Backward Compatible�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp� fix. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39489	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

All the computer pros I know use Vista, 2008, or Windows 7, or my favorite, Windows FE. I can make Vista do anything, but I am holding my breath for Windows 2008 R2. T’is a thing of beauty, even if it won’t run Halo2. I am going to start my Bolivian Rams on Windows 7 Ultimate, however, because they really like to watch Flipper on Hulu. ßAquarium tie in. The best thing about Office 2007 is the new file formats, which are much better security wise. I once had a goldfish that got an exploit in a powerpoint. My Bolivians would have known not to open the ppt, but the goldfish … he even clicks on those drive by pop ups that say “your system is infected.” Luckily, I have him on Vista, with the parental settings tightened down, so no malware infection for us. If my fish were on XP with Office 2003, we would be part of the great botnet sea now, and this email would have been spam for something to make your fish bigger and swim stronger. ßMultiple aquarium tie ins. Which fish are best for Sudoku? Troy Trying to return the subject to fishes. From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Palermo Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller. Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! > > Your points are very valid. However, we have two dogs to take care > of unwelcome guests. Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works. A friend remarked > once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted Howitzer > with a trigger! > > As for being more appealing to woman? I have to give you > that one. The wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction > when I check out! <grins> > > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with > Vista. Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a computer for > the first > time, buy it! I think its the greatest thing since Corn Flakes. But > if your a user that > has been around a while, do video editing, have a large amount of > personal business files and really believe that a computer is more > than a souped up gaming board, stay away from it! > > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more > appealing to women. These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, > And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line revealed > that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of peripherals > we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a Vista > machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing worked. That > WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will make file > transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19â€� wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Usersâ€� in the crowd. It’s a good running > machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the > hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its > customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about > Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see > “Backward Compatibleâ€�! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “tempâ€� fix. > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39490	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

How would Dora play Halo 2, then? Bill? Can you make XP boot read-only? I don’t think so. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Bugs?????? Dora this OS is a full epidemic! Stay away from it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:07 PM Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39491	From: Troy	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Old stuff smells funny. With Vista you get that good new computer smell. I like that. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Len, Your analysis of the situation is amazing to say the least and astounding to say the most! Apparently some of your back mails are missing. Further analysis of the situation will reveal that this Vista sickness does not just extend to Bill but any one trying it with older files and why would you want to UPGRADE to a 32-bit Vista system? Just how much upgrading was that? (Apparently you must have missed some remarks from \\Steve//). Further, if the result had been the Vista machine here being a keeper, I would have lost everything and at that point, I would simply have built my own system. My point here was to warn others that do not have my skill or background to be weary of it. Vista is a great system! Provided your doing as you yourself mentioned. Starting fresh into computers, buying all new printers, what have you. If your not and have lots of family memories stored in 16/32 bit format of Windows XP, pictures, video, even music, you have a real problem.. Of course the obvious here is again, just exactly what you touched on, there would be no problem at all, if you went with all brand new stuff. Microsoft loves to see people wasted money for new equipment when there's nothing wrong with the old stuff. Just that it can't run in our new Whiz Bang Program.a All I'm trying to say is that I respect the others in the group that may not have my background and hence may lose some very valuable items. That was my sole purpose in giving the web link as well as the open comment about the machines performance, which for the money, is very descent. In short, a blast from the past? Who could ever forget Windows 2000? Where is it today? Next year, Vista what? I rest my case! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:37 PM NO Bill. See my reply to Dora. The Vista OS works fine and has no more bugs than any other OS. You would have had the same problem if you switched from Windows XP to Mac's OSX operating system. Their OS doesn't run a LOT of software that was designed for PC's. You can't blame Apple for that.. it's just that the software designers do not want to invest the R&D into software for a computer system that only has around a 10% market share when they can sell to the 80%+ users of Windows. Many of these software developers just didn't spend the money on upgrading their stuff to run on Vista because Vista didn't catch on with the market place. If a large enough percentage of XP users had upgraded to Vista early on, the software companies would have been falling all over themselves upgrading their products to run on Vista. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Bugs?????? Dora this OS is a full epidemic! Stay away from it! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:07 PM Thanks for letting us know that Vista hasn't gotten over its bugs. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Hi Mark, With all due respect here, there is a very simple way to find out if they don’t work. You look in Device Manager and find that they are not even recognized! Loading saved drivers and install disk? Hey, forget about it! Nothing would open or install. Incidentally, this also pertained to a portable external hard drive used to transfer the files. We finally got that recognized after re-booting the machine over and over. I’m not really crying here Mark, just saying that MS needs to sit down and come up with a better plan. If I had this much trouble and I’m just a user, how about big companies who want to upgrade? Simple they can’t make it. If they can’t make it, there’s going to be a lot of new computers sitting on shelves. That’s just what we need, more people out of work. Bill --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Mark Nelson <marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > wrote: > From: Mark Nelson <marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:56 PM > That is not really true. > I’m not exactly sure what the memory limit is with > WinXp, but a 32-bit OS can only address 4GB of RAM. > The bigger problem is older/cheaper computers have chipsets > that cannot address 4GB of RAM no matter what OS you are > using. 32-Bit Vista can address all 4GB, but many of > the components in your system must have a physical memory > address (video card, COM ports, basically anything attached > to the PCI bus), and that comes off the top of the 4GB of > memory addresses. In practice, a 32-Bit Vista machine > will report somewhere between 3GB and 4GB of total system > memory. > > > > How are you verifying that your older components > won’t work with Vista? Just because the > manufacturer doesn’t supply a Vista driver > doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t > work. They may function just fine with a generic > driver. The best way to find out would be to connect > it to a Vista machine and try it. > > > > - > > Mark Nelson > > marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > <blocked::blocked::mailto:marknelson@... <mailto:marknelson%40bvillemn.net> > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:43 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > > > > > > > > I have been told that upgrading windows xp to 4 gigs of ram > is pointless > as windows xp can only utilize up to 2 gigs at most, so > those extra 2 > gigs are useless unless you upgrade to vista later on. > Most new stuff is no longer backwards compatible now days > too, I think > it's there way of getting more money out of you in the long > run ;) > > Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39492	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

\\Steve// knows IMDB and/or Wikipedia. ;-) Presuming he's actually old enough to remember that movie from 1964, then he'd be too old to "remember" it.... without a little help. ;-) 20 years ago, it was TGIF... now it's TGFI (Thank God For Internet). LOL But Don Knotts was a GREAT character actor! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir!   Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!    That's one overstocked tank!  I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39493	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: watch the H.R.669 Hearing Live

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39494	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: watch the H.R.669 Hearing Live

Thanks Joe. Just added this info to the top of my blog about HR 669. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:38 PM To: anubiasdesign@yahoogroups.com Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; aquatic-plants@... Subject: [AquaticLife] watch the H.R.669 Hearing Live Watch the H.R.669 Hearing LIVE April 23 at 10:00am Eastern Standard Time CLICK HERE! (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id=273&Itemid)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39495	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: The Great Computer Battle!

Don't blame that PPT exploit on the goldfish. You know it was the pleco that did it! The best fish for Sudoku is the Fish Bone - http://www.sachsentext.de/en/antenne1.htm Yes... I had to Google a little to find a link between fish and Sudoku although the first link that came up was to a site called BigFishGames.com but I didn't want to send anyone there since it wasn't free. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! All the computer pros I know use Vista, 2008, or Windows 7, or my favorite, Windows FE. I can make Vista do anything, but I am holding my breath for Windows 2008 R2. T’is a thing of beauty, even if it won’t run Halo2. I am going to start my Bolivian Rams on Windows 7 Ultimate, however, because they really like to watch Flipper on Hulu. ßAquarium tie in. The best thing about Office 2007 is the new file formats, which are much better security wise. I once had a goldfish that got an exploit in a powerpoint. My Bolivians would have known not to open the ppt, but the goldfish … he even clicks on those drive by pop ups that say “your system is infected.” Luckily, I have him on Vista, with the parental settings tightened down, so no malware infection for us. If my fish were on XP with Office 2003, we would be part of the great botnet sea now, and this email would have been spam for something to make your fish bigger and swim stronger. ßMultiple aquarium tie ins. Which fish are best for Sudoku? Troy Trying to return the subject to fishes. From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Palermo Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! Regardless of how some people are using Vista and like it, ALL of the computer professionals that I know avoid it and know that it is a failed product AGAIN. Hope is now being had for Windows 7 where as they have tested has cut back on the failures of Vista and is smaller. Why put yourself through all the additional headaches of Vista just to say you have it. You have proof already of what to expect with this second grade product. MS has never impressed me and with Office 2007 they continue to make additional enemies. Sam, bill1433 wrote: > > > Hi Troy! > > Your points are very valid. However, we have two dogs to take care of > unwelcome guests. Should that fail I have an old Remington double > barrel with an over extended barrel that always works. A friend > remarked once, looking at the barrel, that it looks like to mounted > Howitzer with a trigger! > > As for being more appealing to woman? I have to give you that one. The > wife wants my body to go to Science Fiction when I check out! <grins> > > Seriously though, its not like I don't know my way around computers, > again, the better half often says I know just enough to get into real > trouble. > But I trust MS, I really do, but I can't feel that they have dropped > the ball with Vista. Now if you are a brand new user and purchasing a > computer for the first time, buy it! I think its the greatest thing > since Corn Flakes. But if your a user that has been around a while, do > video editing, have a large amount of personal business files and > really believe that a computer is more than a souped up gaming board, > stay away from it! > > Hope I've cleared your mind a bit? > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Troy <ntevidence@... > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Troy <ntevidence@... <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net> > <mailto:ntevidence%40comcast.net>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:45 AM > > Bill, > > I will not be able to afford a UV sterilizer or a salt water aquarium > if you keep steering people away from Vista. Vista is much better at > keeping the criminals out of your home. Vista also make men more > appealing to women. These are proven facts. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] The Great Computer Battle! > > For those suffering with a poor computer that is just going downhill > in Win XP, And scared to buy anything right now, I can offer this. > We just got a new Windows XP machine at Wal-Mart and here is the link: > http://www.walmart com/catalog/ product.do? product_id= 10858496 > > We started out with another machine, Windows Vista, NOT! > > The unit would not recognize an external hard drive and could not > transfer 16 & 32 bit files into Vista. A special check on line > revealed that I could not get any drivers for about $2000 worth of > peripherals we have either! I knew there would be some problems with a > Vista machine but I never thought it would be this bad, nothing > worked. That WET (windows easy transfer) system that they claim will > make file transfer easy? Don't believe it. > > This new emachine is a nice setup with a half decent 19†wide screen > monitor included but only a Gig of ram but it is easy to upgrade to 4 > for those “Power Users†in the crowd. It’s a good running > machine at a very reasonable price; to get those suffering over the > hump until Microsoft decides to do something, anything for its > customers. Lately, I have been reading the trades and posts here about > Windows 7, but I have failed to see the words I long to see > “Backward Compatible†! Why do I feel like we are all on the "Titanic"? > > Anyway for those suffering this machine will make a good “temp†fix. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39496	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

Thanks, Lenny. I just signed up. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free online subscription. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". This is the message that was sent: *************** *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * All the best, Aquaria Central

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39497	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I'm glad y'all (you and Pam, so far) were able to take advantage of this. Still a couple of days left for any others. Something else I thought of. Once you are a subscriber, to either the paper or digital editions, you have access to all prior digital editions so you can go back and read past monthly issues for the past couple of years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day Thanks, Lenny. I just signed up. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free online subscription. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". This is the message that was sent: *************** *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * All the best, Aquaria Central

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39498	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I signed up too! Glad I put off buying earlier, as this was a great deal! On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > I'm glad y'all (you and Pam, so far) were able to take advantage of this. > Still a couple of days left for any others. Something else I thought of. > Once you are a subscriber, to either the paper or digital editions, you have > access to all prior digital editions so you can go back and read past > monthly issues for the past couple of years. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:24 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day > > Thanks, Lenny. I just signed up. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm > pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online > edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) > for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you > the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's > supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the > last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. > Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free > online subscription. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > Dear GoldLenny, > > You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, > entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". > > This is the message that was sent: > > *************** > > *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish > Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only > $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! > > http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ * > > All the best, > Aquaria Central > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39499	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affe

It seems that DrsFosterSmith.com has gotten around to campaigning against HR 669 also! I'm surprised more of the online retailers haven't gotten on this bandwagon to save the pet industry from a few Congressional whackos... but at least it's happening. Maybe some/all of the other retailers are all members of PIJAC or NAIA and were just relying on those trade industry groups to do the work. Here's another link from DrsFosterSmith.com with all of the Sub-committee members names, phone numbers and contact info. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&co mmcode=hresources_insular Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Drs. Foster and Smith [mailto:editor@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:02 AM To: goldlenny@... Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Having trouble viewing this email? Please view online here <http://broadcaster01.drsfostersmith.com/bin/display_msg?id=987C2F2521E16A2C 040D399A0D341226> . Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Dear LENNY, If you're the proud parent of a gerbil, hamster, exotic bird, reptile, or any number of nonnative aquarium fish, your action is needed concerning a proposed new regulation called the "Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act" (H.R. 669). This bill would totally revamp how nonnative species (many enjoyed as pets) are regulated in this country. Your immediate action is needed! A hearing has been scheduled for THIS Thursday, April 23rd in the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The pet industry and pet parents across the country need to voice their concerns loud and clear prior to this hearing. To find out more about this proposed bill and who you can contact click here <http://tracking.drsfostersmith.com/t?r=2&c=3875&l=6&ctl=19038:987C2F2521E16 A2C040D399A0D341226&> . Sincerely, DrsFosterSmith.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39500	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May

Hi Len,   In a case like this, as with anything having to go with the Government, the more people on board the better.   Bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com, Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 11:40 AM It seems that DrsFosterSmith.com has gotten around to campaigning against HR 669 also!  I'm surprised more of the online retailers haven't gotten on this bandwagon to save the pet industry from a few Congressional whackos... but at least it's happening.  Maybe some/all of the other retailers are all members of PIJAC or NAIA and were just relying on those trade industry groups to do the work. Here's another link from DrsFosterSmith.com with all of the Sub-committee members names, phone numbers and contact info. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&co mmcode=hresources_insular Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Drs. Foster and Smith [mailto:editor@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:02 AM To: goldlenny@... Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Having trouble viewing this email? Please view online here <http://broadcaster01.drsfostersmith.com/bin/display_msg?id=987C2F2521E16A2C 040D399A0D341226> . Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Dear LENNY, If you're the proud parent of a gerbil, hamster, exotic bird, reptile, or any number of nonnative aquarium fish, your action is needed concerning a proposed new regulation called the "Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act" (H.R. 669). This bill would totally revamp how nonnative species (many enjoyed as pets) are regulated in this country. Your immediate action is needed! A hearing has been scheduled for THIS Thursday, April 23rd in the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The pet industry and pet parents across the country need to voice their concerns loud and clear prior to this hearing. To find out more about this proposed bill and who you can contact click here <http://tracking.drsfostersmith.com/t?r=2&c=3875&l=6&ctl=19038:987C2F2521E16 A2C040D399A0D341226&> . Sincerely, DrsFosterSmith.com ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39501	From: jett07002	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39502	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: pH - KH relationship

Anyone use tom Barr’s GH Booster? If so how are you dosing? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] pH - KH relationship I'm not sure where you are getting your research from but the Mongabay profile on WCMM's http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html> mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html shows their preferred water chemistry as: Water chemistry: pH 6-8; 6-20 dH; 60-75°F (16-24°C) <snipped> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39503	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39504	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

I have marine fish – not sure if the lighting rules are the same – we have a suspended lightbox thingy with a blue bulb and sunlight bulb – I'm new to this so don't ask for the proper names!! We give our fish a couple of hours of blue bulb before switching on the sunlight, then switch to blue in the evening again before turning them off for the night I have found that the sunlight bulb will increase the algae if left on too long – so does sunlight through our window – we try and keep the curtains closed till the sun has passed that particular window Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: 21 April 2009 22:29 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two eclipse natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. obliquen. how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? what kind of color spectrum should i use? someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the same as a 50/50 it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that cause an algea bloom? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39505	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

Thank you Lenny!!! I got one! --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:11 AM I'm forwarding the below message (below my sig) to the group since I'm pretty sure anyone can take advantage of this deal. It's the Digital Online edition of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine for ONLY ONE DOLLAR ($1.00 U.S.) for a one year subscription. Every month, you'll get an email telling you the new edition is available with a link to the online edition. It's supposed to be for new subscribers only but I bought the online edition the last time it was only a dollar and I was already a pre-existing customer. Of course, nowadays, if you get the printed magazine, you also get a free online subscription. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Dear GoldLenny, You have received a new private message at Aquaria Central from AC NEWS BOT, entitled "TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day". This is the message that was sent: ************ *** *Save money while you save the trees! In honor of Earth Day, Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine is offering a 1-year digital only subscription for only $1*. Subscribe now and make your watery world a bit greener today! http://www.tfhmagaz ine.com/earthday / * All the best, Aquaria Central [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39506	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39507	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I would if I had read it. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39508	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May

I'm starting to feel a little better about this HR 669.... not passing. I was looking at this page http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=HSII (from my earlier post about GovTrack.us) and if you look 1/2 way down the page, you'll see other legislation pending before this Natural Resources Committee. It seems there are over 2,000 House Resolutions pending with this committee having a big chunk of them. Then if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page, you'll see the bills they've voted on and/or that have failed... and then the very bottom shows their DISMAL success rate. ONLY ONE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY PASSED THIS COMMITTEE THIS YEAR. HOW PATHETIC IS THAT WHERE THESE CONGRESSMEN SPEND.. OOPS.. I MEANT WASTE OUR MONEY PROMOTING ALL OF THESE NEW LAWS AND HAVE SUCH A DISMAL SUCCESS RATE IN PASSING THEM... THANK GOD!!! I guess they've all been too busy writing earmarks to go into the various spendulus packages and the FOUR TRILLION DOLLAR WHITEHOUSE BUDGET proposal with over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW SPENDING AND DEFICITS/DEBT. The down side is that the one resolution that did pass this committee, H.R. 146: Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, has created millions of acres of newly "protected" lands which means the land can't be used for commerce (meaning it won't make us any money) and will cost the taxpayers billions of dollars to maintain so it's a double whammy to the taxpayer. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Hi Len,   In a case like this, as with anything having to go with the Government, the more people on board the better.   Bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com, Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 11:40 AM It seems that DrsFosterSmith.com has gotten around to campaigning against HR 669 also!  I'm surprised more of the online retailers haven't gotten on this bandwagon to save the pet industry from a few Congressional whackos... but at least it's happening.  Maybe some/all of the other retailers are all members of PIJAC or NAIA and were just relying on those trade industry groups to do the work. Here's another link from DrsFosterSmith.com with all of the Sub-committee members names, phone numbers and contact info. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&co mmcode=hresources_insular Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Drs. Foster and Smith [mailto:editor@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:02 AM To: goldlenny@... Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Having trouble viewing this email? Please view online here <http://broadcaster01.drsfostersmith.com/bin/display_msg?id=987C2F2521E16A2C 040D399A0D341226> . Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Dear LENNY, If you're the proud parent of a gerbil, hamster, exotic bird, reptile, or any number of nonnative aquarium fish, your action is needed concerning a proposed new regulation called the "Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act" (H.R. 669). This bill would totally revamp how nonnative species (many enjoyed as pets) are regulated in this country. Your immediate action is needed! A hearing has been scheduled for THIS Thursday, April 23rd in the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The pet industry and pet parents across the country need to voice their concerns loud and clear prior to this hearing. To find out more about this proposed bill and who you can contact click here <http://tracking.drsfostersmith.com/t?r=2&c=3875&l=6&ctl=19038:987C2F2521E16 A2C040D399A0D341226&> . Sincerely, DrsFosterSmith.com ------------------------------------

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

Here's the Terms And Conditions from the link I gave... http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/ "Earth Day promotion Terms and Conditions Earth Day offer valid for new subscriptions only, from April 21–April 23, 2009. Offer is for a digital-only one-year (12-issue) subscription and must be pre-paid online with valid credit card through www.tfhmagazine.com. Subscriptions ordered through this promotion will begin with the July 2009 issue and cannot be adjusted. Order must be paid in USD. Valid email address required. Must use promo code EDAY9." Nothing about automatic renewals but maybe it was mentioned further into the ordering process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:02 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I would if I had read it. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39510	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

LOL Don’t you know “Old guys rule” Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:54 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@familyszabo. <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> com <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8> com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39511	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid � you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song � apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39512	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

It wasn't on http://www.Hulu.com yet... but it is on YouTube. Part 1 of 10 starts here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CYLtviabQ&feature=channel_page This YouTuber, Mistals1 also has lots of other old movies that they've uploaded in 10 minute segments, so check out their other 85 uploads as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39513	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full length movies to compete with Hulu. http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" yet. BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml Yep... a miniature snail! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39514	From: red-eye	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I did not use a code but a few minutes later my fist digital mag was delivered. They say you can download to your computer but in another place it says you can’t. The setting box allows you to adjust to your viewing preference ( single or dbl page as well as size) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day Here's the Terms And Conditions from the link I gave... http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/> ine.com/earthday/ "Earth Day promotion Terms and Conditions Earth Day offer valid for new subscriptions only, from April 21–April 23, 2009. Offer is for a digital-only one-year (12-issue) subscription and must be pre-paid online with valid credit card through www.tfhmagazine.com. Subscriptions ordered through this promotion will begin with the July 2009 issue and cannot be adjusted. Order must be paid in USD. Valid email address required. Must use promo code EDAY9." Nothing about automatic renewals but maybe it was mentioned further into the ordering process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:02 PM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I would if I had read it. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39515	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I never saw anything about automatic renewals. --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 1:24 PM Here's the Terms And Conditions from the link I gave... http://www.tfhmagaz ine.com/earthday / "Earth Day promotion Terms and Conditions Earth Day offer valid for new subscriptions only, from April 21–April 23, 2009. Offer is for a digital-only one-year (12-issue) subscription and must be pre-paid online with valid credit card through www.tfhmagazine. com. Subscriptions ordered through this promotion will begin with the July 2009 issue and cannot be adjusted. Order must be paid in USD. Valid email address required. Must use promo code EDAY9." Nothing about automatic renewals but maybe it was mentioned further into the ordering process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:02 PM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I would if I had read it. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com From: GoldLenny@gmail. com Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39516	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

HI Pam,   A quick check?  Try Netflix or your local BlockBuster.  If in the mood to buy, Amazon,com   Bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 1:26 PM Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies.. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39517	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Just trying to test something here a minute.................   Bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:12 PM HI Pam,   A quick check?  Try Netflix or your local BlockBuster.  If in the mood to buy, Amazon,com   Bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: From: pam andress <pamandress23@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 1:26 PM Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39518	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day

I'm pretty sure TFH uses Flash technology to create the digital edition so it's not as simple as downloading like some other files, but when you open a webpage with something using Flash, it does download the Flash file as part of your temporary internet files. Then you could technically go into your TIF files, sort by File Type, scroll down to find the Flash Live Video (FLV) file(s) and move the entire Flash file to your desktop and then use a 3rd party flash viewer to view it without having to be online. I've done this in the past with FLV files, using the FREE FLV Player or your FLV player of choice. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I did not use a code but a few minutes later my fist digital mag was delivered. They say you can download to your computer but in another place it says you can't. The setting box allows you to adjust to your viewing preference ( single or dbl page as well as size) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day Here's the Terms And Conditions from the link I gave... http://www.tfhmagaz <http://www.tfhmagazine.com/earthday/> ine.com/earthday/ "Earth Day promotion Terms and Conditions Earth Day offer valid for new subscriptions only, from April 21-April 23, 2009. Offer is for a digital-only one-year (12-issue) subscription and must be pre-paid online with valid credit card through www.tfhmagazine.com. Subscriptions ordered through this promotion will begin with the July 2009 issue and cannot be adjusted. Order must be paid in USD. Valid email address required. Must use promo code EDAY9." Nothing about automatic renewals but maybe it was mentioned further into the ordering process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:02 PM To: aquaticlife@ <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I would if I had read it. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day I honestly do not recall this happening or even being in the fine print when I signed up for the digital edition a couple of years ago. I do remember getting an email from TFH asking me about renewing and I decided to go back to the paper edition since I do most of my reading when I'm being the King of my throne... and I kept forgetting my laptop. I know... TMI! LOL The good news is that the annual renewal rate for the digital edition is only $13.00 so it's not like it's going to be a big shocker amount if it does happen... but I really do not think they do it. Maybe one of the new subscribers can remind us what was in the fine print. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:07 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: TFH Digital $1 :: In honor of Earth Day This IS a good deal! But my skepticism leads me to think it is too good to be true. They probably keep renewing your subscription for you at the regular subscription price automatically. I hate that! If your pulling it close with your card balance you get this surprise that you forgot and/or did not realize was coming. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39519	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

I have freshwater, and I use actinic bulbs (blue bulbs) as well as daylight bulbs (I think they are 6700kelvin), then at night the blue LED lights come on. I do notice that the tank I have with actinic bulbs on it, grows green algae VERY well, my big tank which has only daylight bulbs on it grows black beard algae very well, but not as much green algae as the 55 gallon does. The big tank (125 gallon) is also a walstad tank, so the extra nutrients in the soil may be helping out my black beard algae too much though. Amber Kelly wrote: > > > I have marine fish – not sure if the lighting rules are the same – we > have a > suspended lightbox thingy with a blue bulb and sunlight bulb – I'm new to > this so don't ask for the proper names!! > > We give our fish a couple of hours of blue bulb before switching on the > sunlight, then switch to blue in the evening again before turning them off > for the night > > I have found that the sunlight bulb will increase the algae if left on too > long – so does sunlight through our window – we try and keep the curtains > closed till the sun has passed that particular window > > Kelly > xxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: 21 April 2009 22:29 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting > > > I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two > eclipse > natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to > bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite > substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are > mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. > obliquen. > > how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? > what kind of color spectrum should i use? > > someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a > light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use > marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the > same as a 50/50 > > it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that > cause > an algea bloom? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39520	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Thanks Lenny. I think I'm going to watch it now with my grandson as I'm babysitting. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:55:35 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! It wasn't on http://www.Hulu.com yet... but it is on YouTube. Part 1 of 10 starts here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CYLtviabQ&feature=channel_page This YouTuber, Mistals1 also has lots of other old movies that they've uploaded in 10 minute segments, so check out their other 85 uploads as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39521	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

I knew what Limpet's are only because on my 8th grade survival trip (ages ago) we had to cook and eat Limpets for dinner ;) (they taste much like a clam would if you fried it up). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full > length > movies to compete with Hulu. > > http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en > <http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en> > > But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" > yet. > > BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? > > http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht > <http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht> > ml > > Yep... a miniature snail! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would > love for > my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. > > Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 > > Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 > > Pam who is old! lol > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! > > I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary > Poppins and > Annie!! > > Kelly > xxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > You know your "oldies" sir! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM > > The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A > good > waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between > filmings. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Were those SW Limpets or FW Limpets? I thought the FW variety were all very small... at least the ones that I've had were only like 1mm sized. You must have had a really small spatula for frying them. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! I knew what Limpet's are only because on my 8th grade survival trip (ages ago) we had to cook and eat Limpets for dinner ;) (they taste much like a clam would if you fried it up). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full > length movies to compete with Hulu. > > http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en > <http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en> > > But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" > yet. > > BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? > http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml > <http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.h tml > > Yep... a miniature snail! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would > love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good > movie. > > Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 > > Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 > > Pam who is old! lol > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! > > I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary > Poppins and Annie!! > > Kelly > xxx > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > You know your "oldies" sir! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > wrote: > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@... > <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM > > The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A > good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > > That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between > filmings. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8> > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39523	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

still really haven't gotten my question answered about the wattage, as for white substrate, well the white naturally browns, but white is actually really common and the dolomite helps keep the pH high but i have seen white used in large tanks with high light and the fish look amazing, just not sure if i need T5 type of wattage in a 55gallon, would using one 48 inch fixture with two T8 40 watt bulbs work? that's 80 wats so it's about 1.5 watts per gallon, a T5 fixture would increase the wattage to over 200 watts, which is over 3 watts per gallon --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I have freshwater, and I use actinic bulbs (blue bulbs) as well as > daylight bulbs (I think they are 6700kelvin), then at night the blue LED > lights come on. > I do notice that the tank I have with actinic bulbs on it, grows green > algae VERY well, my big tank which has only daylight bulbs on it grows > black beard algae very well, but not as much green algae as the 55 > gallon does. The big tank (125 gallon) is also a walstad tank, so the > extra nutrients in the soil may be helping out my black beard algae too > much though. > > Amber > > Kelly wrote: > > > > > > I have marine fish – not sure if the lighting rules are the same – we > > have a > > suspended lightbox thingy with a blue bulb and sunlight bulb – I'm new to > > this so don't ask for the proper names!! > > > > We give our fish a couple of hours of blue bulb before switching on the > > sunlight, then switch to blue in the evening again before turning them off > > for the night > > > > I have found that the sunlight bulb will increase the algae if left on too > > long – so does sunlight through our window – we try and keep the curtains > > closed till the sun has passed that particular window > > > > Kelly > > xxx > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: 21 April 2009 22:29 > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting > > > > > > I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two > > eclipse > > natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to > > bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite > > substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are > > mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. > > obliquen. > > > > how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? > > what kind of color spectrum should i use? > > > > someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a > > light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use > > marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the > > same as a 50/50 > > > > it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that > > cause > > an algea bloom? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39524	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Check Mail Form---Members Disregard

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39525	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

They were saltwater limpets they get about an inch in diameter not too hard to eat but it takes a lot to make a full meal lol. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Were those SW Limpets or FW Limpets? I thought the FW variety were all very >small... at least the ones that I've had were only like 1mm sized. You must >have had a really small spatula for frying them. ;-) > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:33 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! > >I knew what Limpet's are only because on my 8th grade survival trip (ages >ago) we had to cook and eat Limpets for dinner ;) (they taste much like a >clam would if you fried it up). > >Amber > >Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> >> >> Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full >> length movies to compete with Hulu. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en >> <http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en> >> >> But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" >> yet. >> >> BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? >> >http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht >ml >> ><http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.h >tml >> >> Yep... a miniature snail! >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in >> above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of pam andress >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM >> To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! >> >> Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would >> love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good >> movie. >> >> Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 >> >> Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 >> >> Pam who is old! lol >> >> >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> From: atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> >> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! >> >> Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! >> >> I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary >> Poppins and Annie!! >> >> Kelly >> xxx >> >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 >> Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! >> >> You know your "oldies" sir! >> >> Bill >> >> --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... >> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > >> wrote: >> >> From: Steve Szabo <steve@... >> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM >> >> The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A >> good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. >> >> \\Steve// >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of >> Menagerie_Manager >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! >> >> That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between >> filmings. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8> >> >> DebR and the Three Goldfish >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39526	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

The amount of lighting depends on your plants not the fish. So if you don't keep live plants then you don't need very bright light as the fish don't really care lol. Amber Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: >still really haven't gotten my question answered about the wattage, as for white substrate, well the white naturally browns, but white is actually really common and the dolomite helps keep the pH high but i have seen white used in large tanks with high light and the fish look amazing, just not sure if i need T5 type of wattage in a 55gallon, would using one 48 inch fixture with two T8 40 watt bulbs work? that's 80 wats so it's about 1.5 watts per gallon, a T5 fixture would increase the wattage to over 200 watts, which is over 3 watts per gallon > >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >> >> I have freshwater, and I use actinic bulbs (blue bulbs) as well as >> daylight bulbs (I think they are 6700kelvin), then at night the blue LED >> lights come on. >> I do notice that the tank I have with actinic bulbs on it, grows green >> algae VERY well, my big tank which has only daylight bulbs on it grows >> black beard algae very well, but not as much green algae as the 55 >> gallon does. The big tank (125 gallon) is also a walstad tank, so the >> extra nutrients in the soil may be helping out my black beard algae too >> much though. >> >> Amber >> >> Kelly wrote: >> > >> > >> > I have marine fish – not sure if the lighting rules are the same – we >> > have a >> > suspended lightbox thingy with a blue bulb and sunlight bulb – I'm new to >> > this so don't ask for the proper names!! >> > >> > We give our fish a couple of hours of blue bulb before switching on the >> > sunlight, then switch to blue in the evening again before turning them off >> > for the night >> > >> > I have found that the sunlight bulb will increase the algae if left on too >> > long – so does sunlight through our window – we try and keep the curtains >> > closed till the sun has passed that particular window >> > >> > Kelly >> > xxx >> > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob >> > Sent: 21 April 2009 22:29 >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting >> > >> > >> > I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two >> > eclipse >> > natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to >> > bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite >> > substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are >> > mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap. >> > obliquen. >> > >> > how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids? >> > what kind of color spectrum should i use? >> > >> > someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a >> > light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use >> > marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the >> > same as a 50/50 >> > >> > it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that >> > cause >> > an algea bloom? >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39527	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: lighting

So basically my answer is that you might want to see if you can find a lfs with different light setups so you can see the lighting in person before you buy. After reading your first post it looks like you don't keep live plants so you don't need high lighting unless you want plants later or you really like how it looks with your fish. If you do get a powerful light setup then you won't want to run it for very long each day as your tank will grow mass amounts of algae due to all the lighting. You will probably have to keep the llight on less than 6 hours. I'm sure lenny can ellaborate for me since I'm still at work right now. Amber Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: >The amount of lighting depends on your plants not the fish. So if you don't keep live plants then you don't need very bright light as the fish don't really care lol. > >Amber > > >Courtland Jacob <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > >>still really haven't gotten my question answered about the wattage, as for white substrate, well the white naturally browns, but white is actually really common and the dolomite helps keep the pH high but i have seen white used in large tanks with high light and the fish look amazing, just not sure if i need T5 type of wattage in a 55gallon, would using one 48 inch fixture with two T8 40 watt bulbs work? that's 80 wats so it's about 1.5 watts per gallon, a T5 fixture would increase the wattage to over 200 watts, which is over 3 watts per gallon> >>> >>--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote:> >>>> >>> I have freshwater, and I use actinic bulbs (blue bulbs) as well as > >>> daylight bulbs (I think they are 6700kelvin), then at night the blue LED > >>> lights come on.> >>> I do notice that the tank I have with actinic bulbs on it, grows green > >>> algae VERY well, my big tank which has only daylight bulbs on it grows > >>> black beard algae very well, but not as much green algae as the 55 > >>> gallon does. The big tank (125 gallon) is also a walstad tank, so the > >>> extra nutrients in the soil may be helping out my black beard algae too > >>> much though.> >>> > >>> Amber> >>> > >>> Kelly wrote:> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > I have marine fish – not sure if the lighting rules are the same – we > >>> > have a> >>> > suspended lightbox thingy with a blue bulb and sunlight bulb – I'm new to> >>> > this so don't ask for the proper names!!> >>> >> >>> > We give our fish a couple of hours of blue bulb before switching on the> >>> > sunlight, then switch to blue in the evening again before turning them off> >>> > for the night> >>> >> >>> > I have found that the sunlight bulb will increase the algae if left on too> >>> > long – so does sunlight through our window – we try and keep the curtains> >>> > closed till the sun has passed that particular window> >>> >> >>> > Kelly> >>> > xxx> >>> >> >>> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >>> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >>> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On> >>> > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob> >>> > Sent: 21 April 2009 22:29> >>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] lighting> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > I have a 55 gallon tank with african cichlids, currently i have two > >>> > eclipse> >>> > natural daylight F15T8 18" flourescent bulbs that came with it. I want to> >>> > bring out the color in my fish the best i can, i use white dolomite> >>> > substrate, red lava rock for hiding and a few plastic plants. the fish are> >>> > mostly different types of peacocks, a demasoni, yellow lab, and hap.> >>> > obliquen.> >>> >> >>> > how many watts whould i be running in a 55 gallon for cichlids?> >>> > what kind of color spectrum should i use?> >>> >> >>> > someone suggested upgrading to a T5 fixture and using the 50/50 bulbs, a> >>> > light chosing guide from hagen that they had near the bulbs said to use> >>> > marine-glo actinic with life-glo, or use a power-glo which i think is the> >>> > same as a 50/50> >>> >> >>> > it says the blue light in the actinic is good for algea, so will that > >>> > cause> >>> > an algea bloom?> >>> >> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39528	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full length movies to compete with Hulu. http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" yet. BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml Yep... a miniature snail! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39529	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: canister filter

thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39530	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

If you want a real blast from the past, I could sing you some of my old Women's Army Corp marching jodies! heehee! Mama Mama can't you see What the Army's done to me . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full length movies to compete with Hulu. http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" yet. BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml Yep... a miniature snail! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39531	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Please no. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: menagerie_manager@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:08:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! If you want a real blast from the past, I could sing you some of my old Women's Army Corp marching jodies! heehee! Mama Mama can't you see What the Army's done to me . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full length movies to compete with Hulu. http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" yet. BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml Yep... a miniature snail! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39532	From: Debra	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: HR 669 - Take action now!

Just a reminder, everyone please send an email to your state representatives asking them to vote against HR 669. It's easy to do just go to www.nohr669.com and click the send an email button, fill in your name and address and click send. Won't take but a minute of your time. Thanks, Deb OS, MS

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39533	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

I only saw 4 parts – didn't realise it was in 10 opps From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 22 April 2009 18:56 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! It wasn't on http://www.Hulu.com yet... but it is on YouTube. Part 1 of 10 starts here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CYLtviabQ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CYLtviabQ&feature=channel_page> &feature=channel_page This YouTuber, Mistals1 also has lots of other old movies that they've uploaded in 10 minute segments, so check out their other 85 uploads as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> From: atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39534	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Hear are the people that are going to be speaking at the hearing for

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39535	From: Kelly	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

You can actually watch it on YouTube in 4 parts Kelly - age 32 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: 22 April 2009 18:26 To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39536	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an assortment of tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. The downside of using one with an overflow is if the overflow ever loses it's siphon, your canister could run dry and the water actually helps to keep the motor from burning up. Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are easier to customize in that manner. What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena Filstar series and the prices on them are very competitive versus other name brand canister filters. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39537	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

I was wondering why all the dogs were howling in the neighborhood. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:14 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Please no. lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: menagerie_manager@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:08:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! If you want a real blast from the past, I could sing you some of my old Women's Army Corp marching jodies! heehee! Mama Mama can't you see What the Army's done to me . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> To: <aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Oops. I should have added that YouTube is also starting to host full length movies to compete with Hulu. http://www.youtube.com/movies?c=0&s=mva&l=en But they don't have the full length version of "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" yet. BTW... do you know what a Limpet is? http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ancylidae.ht ml Yep... a miniature snail! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:26 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39538	From: bill1433	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Kelly & Pam,   If you go here I think you'll find what you want: http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Mr-Limpet-Don-Knotts/dp/B00006JMSL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240445625&sr=1-1   bubbling,   bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Kelly <atomicblonde@...> wrote: From: Kelly <atomicblonde@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:11 PM You can actually watch it on YouTube in 4 parts Kelly - age 32 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: 22 April 2009 18:26 To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol   To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39539	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

I guess since YouTube started letting folks upload full-length movies, they're letting folks upload larger files in the general section too. In the recent past, most vids were limited to 10 minutes or under... or a certain file size which kept them under 10 minutes or so. It will be nice to have other sites other than Hulu to watch full length movies and/or 1 hour shows. Competition is ALWAYS good for the consumer... monopolies are NOT. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You can actually watch it on YouTube in 4 parts Kelly - age 32 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: 22 April 2009 18:26 To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: atomicblonde@... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid - you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song - apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39540	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Hah! (Actually the beagle does kind of enjoy it. It's just the right pitch for her.) Your left! Your left! Your left, right! My back is aching, my belt's too tight My hips are shaking from left to right Your left! Your left! Your left, right! I'd love to see you tough he-men marching to that one, heeheehee. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! I was wondering why all the dogs were howling in the neighborhood. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: pam andress Please no. lol From: menagerie_manager@... If you want a real blast from the past, I could sing you some of my old Women's Army Corp marching jodies! heehee! Mama Mama can't you see What the Army's done to me . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39541	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Another problem/question

I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Bill Murray in Stripes still has the best, IMO. LOL Of course, as a Marine Corps military brat, with both my dad and oldest brother retiring from the USMC, I have heard my fair share of risqué jodies over the years. One was similar to yours but it had to do with the man's pants being too loose and his belt too tight... (the rest of this one is being sent off-group. LOL) The other that I remember had to do with what happens when a Marine calls his rifle his gun... (the rest of that is being sent off-group too! LOL) Semper Fi to any Marines out there! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Hah! (Actually the beagle does kind of enjoy it. It's just the right pitch for her.) Your left! Your left! Your left, right! My back is aching, my belt's too tight My hips are shaking from left to right Your left! Your left! Your left, right! I'd love to see you tough he-men marching to that one, heeheehee. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! I was wondering why all the dogs were howling in the neighborhood. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: pam andress Please no. lol From: menagerie_manager@... If you want a real blast from the past, I could sing you some of my old Women's Army Corp marching jodies! heehee! Mama Mama can't you see What the Army's done to me . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam andress" <pamandress23@...> What a blast from the past. I just got done watching the movie. Thanks Lenny! Pam

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39543	From: greychildren	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Red eye ballon tetra

Hi guys I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. Thank you in advance

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39544	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39545	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra

Moenkhausia sanctaefilomenae (another common name is Balloon Belly Red Eye Tetra or Red-eyed Tetra, Yellow-banded Moenkhausia, Red-eyed Moe). Check out the picture link on the below profile to see if this is what you have. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Moenkhausia_sanctaefilomenae.html Maybe Ray or \\Steve// or others can say how long these have been around. I'm suspecting a while since the profiles on Mongabay were written quite a while back and then updated as new info becomes available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red eye ballon tetra Hi guys I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. Thank you in advance

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39546	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two i have really looked at and the most common nes available around here --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an assortment of > tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. The downside of using > one with an overflow is if the overflow ever loses it's siphon, your > canister could run dry and the water actually helps to keep the motor from > burning up. > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are easier > to customize in that manner. > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena Filstar > series and the prices on them are very competitive versus other name brand > canister filters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister > filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air > tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39547	From: pam andress	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

I have 4 fluvals, can you tell what I like? lol Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: courtland_jacob@... Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:46:55 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two i have really looked at and the most common nes available around here --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an assortment of > tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. The downside of using > one with an overflow is if the overflow ever loses it's siphon, your > canister could run dry and the water actually helps to keep the motor from > burning up. > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are easier > to customize in that manner. > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena Filstar > series and the prices on them are very competitive versus other name brand > canister filters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister > filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air > tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39548	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Check out Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): Will

_Click here: Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): Will HR 669 Transform Your Exotic Animals into Illegal Aliens_ (http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/04/will_hr_669_transform_your_exo.php) **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): W

Well, I hope they treat our non-native pets like illegal aliens. God knows Congress has been mostly impotent and hasn't done very much to stem the flow of illegal aliens across our borders. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:42 PM To: aquatic-plants@... Cc: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Check out Living the Scientific Life (Scientist, Interrupted): Will HR 669 Tr Will HR 669 Transform Your Exotic Animals into Illegal Aliens? http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/04/will_hr_669_transform_your_exo .php

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39550	From: Debra	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May

Question for Fluval owners: We are experiencing a sudden power outage and are unsure how long it will be before we get back online. Hubby says it's been out for a couple of hours. Would you recommend unplugging the Fluvols and dealing with them individually once the power comes back on or just leave them plugged in and take a chance that they power up when we get our electric back? What a way to end a hard day at work. Time for a nice glass of wine by lantern light. Suggestions? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:40:59 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com>; <Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets It seems that DrsFosterSmith.com has gotten around to campaigning against HR 669 also! I'm surprised more of the online retailers haven't gotten on this bandwagon to save the pet industry from a few Congressional whackos... but at least it's happening. Maybe some/all of the other retailers are all members of PIJAC or NAIA and were just relying on those trade industry groups to do the work. Here's another link from DrsFosterSmith.com with all of the Sub-committee members names, phone numbers and contact info. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&co mmcode=hresources_insular Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Drs. Foster and Smith [mailto:editor@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:02 AM To: goldlenny@... Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Having trouble viewing this email? Please view online here <http://broadcaster01.drsfostersmith.com/bin/display_msg?id=987C2F2521E16A2C 040D399A0D341226> . Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential Impact on You Dear LENNY, If you're the proud parent of a gerbil, hamster, exotic bird, reptile, or any number of nonnative aquarium fish, your action is needed concerning a proposed new regulation called the "Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act" (H.R. 669). This bill would totally revamp how nonnative species (many enjoyed as pets) are regulated in this country. Your immediate action is needed! A hearing has been scheduled for THIS Thursday, April 23rd in the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The pet industry and pet parents across the country need to voice their concerns loud and clear prior to this hearing. To find out more about this proposed bill and who you can contact click here <http://tracking.drsfostersmith.com/t?r=2&c=3875&l=6&ctl=19038:987C2F2521E16 A2C040D399A0D341226&> . Sincerely, DrsFosterSmith.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39551	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Another problem/question

What kind of catfish. Could they be one of the kind that kinda burries themselves in the gravel if they have know hiding places and you are beating them up (accidentally) or are they more skittish (and they are stressed easily)or are they a catfish that are more attuned to electrical fields. Joey **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39552	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Debra's Fluval questions about power outage.

Yes. Unplug them. Do filter maintenance (see my blog article if you haven't read it before). Then put the properly cleaned filter media in the tank and let it float around. That will help keep some/all of the nitrifying bacteria alive. You don't want your filter dumping the stagnant water, that is in them right now, back into your tank. Once the power is back on, then put your filter media back into the filter, prime them and start them back up. Test your ammonia and nitrites every 12 hours to make sure things are cycling properly. I also have a blog article about power outages and how me and my fish survived Katrina and no power for 14 days. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May Affect Your Pets Question for Fluval owners: We are experiencing a sudden power outage and are unsure how long it will be before we get back online. Hubby says it's been out for a couple of hours. Would you recommend unplugging the Fluvols and dealing with them individually once the power comes back on or just leave them plugged in and take a chance that they power up when we get our electric back? What a way to end a hard day at work. Time for a nice glass of wine by lantern light. Suggestions? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39553	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a panda corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a number of PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I did a PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a couple of days. I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - which has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only way I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am afraid he too will die. Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether it is the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only affects the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a lot. It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months ago. I clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it only seems to happen if the gravel is moved. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39554	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! - Gone OT

Heheh, I think I can fill in the blanks without help and we WACs were well aware that WACs didn't have guns, although we did use weapons. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Bill Murray in Stripes still has the best, IMO. LOL Of course, as a Marine Corps military brat, with both my dad and oldest brother retiring from the USMC, I have heard my fair share of risqué jodies over the years. One was similar to yours but it had to do with the man's pants being too loose and his belt too tight... (the rest of this one is being sent off-group. LOL) The other that I remember had to do with what happens when a Marine calls his rifle his gun... (the rest of that is being sent off-group too! LOL) Semper Fi to any Marines out there! Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39555	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

You should be cleaning the gravel at least once a week, I clean more than that myself, but I want to make sure the extra food is getting cleaned out of the gravel. You might be having issues because you're not vacuuming the gravel often enough, try cleaning more often, but don't clean a whole bunch all at once, try to spread it out over a few days since it's probably really clean right now. Clean a portion of the tank and only take out about 25% of the water, then refill as usual and do the same the next day. After a few days the gravel should come up clean when you vacuum spots you've already cleaned the first time, if it's still really dirty then you may be over feeding and you'll have to either clean your tank more often or stop feeding so much ;) How often do you clean your filter? Amber onelvlady wrote: > > > Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I > had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a > panda > corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a > number of > PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I > did a > PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front > inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel > in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit > moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a > couple of > days. > > I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - > which > has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the > tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish > out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only > way > I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am > afraid he too will die. > > Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether > it is > the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only > affects > the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a > lot. > > It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months > ago. I > clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from > reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it > only > seems to happen if the gravel is moved. > > Carole in Las Vegas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question > > The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal > gravel, > especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it > would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could > happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and > months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is > getting compacted down into the gravel. > > What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That > would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is > drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, > added to > the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems > if your > hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty > stuff. > > Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht> > ml > > BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how > long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? > > Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? > Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the > manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter > maintenance. > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important.> > html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of onelvlady > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question > > I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water > change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel > cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that > when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just > using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my > catfish > get sick and die. > > I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with > the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is > disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this > correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another > catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. > > Help, please!! > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39556	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May

hope power is back by now - 8 hours later... Lenny says, previous posts, the water fouls in the can, and it is a good time to clean the filter - dump out the foul water at least, and then re ruse... On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Debra <dmelton2@...> wrote: > > > Question for Fluval owners: > > We are experiencing a sudden power outage and are unsure how long it will be > before we get back online. Hubby says it's been out for a couple of hours. > > Would you recommend unplugging the Fluvols and dealing with them > individually once the power comes back on or just leave them plugged in and > take a chance that they power up when we get our electric back? > > What a way to end a hard day at work. Time for a nice glass of wine by > lantern light. > > Suggestions? > > Deb > OS, MS > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> > > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:40:59 > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com>; > <Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important > Legislation that May Affect Your Pets > > > It seems that DrsFosterSmith.com has gotten around to campaigning against HR > 669 also! I'm surprised more of the online retailers haven't gotten on this > bandwagon to save the pet industry from a few Congressional whackos... but > at least it's happening. Maybe some/all of the other retailers are all > members of PIJAC or NAIA and were just relying on those trade industry > groups to do the work. > > Here's another link from DrsFosterSmith.com with all of the Sub-committee > members names, phone numbers and contact info. > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&co > mmcode=hresources_insular > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Drs. Foster and Smith [mailto:editor@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:02 AM > To: goldlenny@... > Subject: Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important Legislation that May > Affect Your Pets > > Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential > Impact on You > > Having trouble viewing this email? Please view online here > <http://broadcaster01.drsfostersmith.com/bin/display_msg?id=987C2F2521E16A2C > 040D399A0D341226> . > > Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act - H.R. 669 and its Potential > Impact on You > > Dear LENNY, > > If you're the proud parent of a gerbil, hamster, exotic bird, reptile, or > any number of nonnative aquarium fish, your action is needed concerning a > proposed new regulation called the "Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention > Act" (H.R. 669). This bill would totally revamp how nonnative species (many > enjoyed as pets) are regulated in this country. > > Your immediate action is needed! > > A hearing has been scheduled for THIS Thursday, April 23rd in the House > Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The pet industry and pet > parents across the country need to voice their concerns loud and clear prior > to this hearing. > > To find out more about this proposed bill and who you can contact click here > <http://tracking.drsfostersmith.com/t?r=2&c=3875&l=6&ctl=19038:987C2F2521E16 > A2C040D399A0D341226&> . > > Sincerely, > > DrsFosterSmith.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39557	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Debra's Fluval questions about power outage.

Oooops! I see she did get a timely reply... On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Yes. Unplug them. Do filter maintenance (see my blog article if you > haven't read it before). Then put the properly cleaned filter media in the > tank and let it float around. That will help keep some/all of the > nitrifying bacteria alive. You don't want your filter dumping the stagnant > water, that is in them right now, back into your tank. Once the power is > back on, then put your filter media back into the filter, prime them and > start them back up. Test your ammonia and nitrites every 12 hours to make > sure things are cycling properly. > > I also have a blog article about power outages and how me and my fish > survived Katrina and no power for 14 days. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Debra > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; > Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Your Immediate Action is Needed: Important > Legislation that May Affect Your Pets > > Question for Fluval owners: We are experiencing a sudden power outage and > are unsure how long it will be before we get back online. Hubby says it's > been out for a couple of hours. Would you recommend unplugging the Fluvols > and dealing with them individually once the power comes back on or just > leave them plugged in and take a chance that they power up when we get our > electric back? What a way to end a hard day at work. Time for a nice glass > of wine by lantern light. Suggestions? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by > AT&T > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39558	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish!

Thanks Bill From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 23 April 2009 01:15 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Kelly & Pam, If you go here I think you'll find what you want: http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Mr-Limpet-Don-Knotts/dp/B00006JMSL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Mr-Limpet-Don-Knotts/dp/B00006JMSL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240445625&sr=1-1> &s=dvd&qid=1240445625&sr=1-1 bubbling, bill --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Kelly <atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> > wrote: From: Kelly <atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:11 PM You can actually watch it on YouTube in 4 parts Kelly - age 32 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: 22 April 2009 18:26 To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Your just a baby then. I wish they would show this again as I would love for my kids and grandkids to be able to watch it. It was a good movie. Kids: Alexis 24, Kelly 21 Grandkids: Wyatt 2, Senerity 11 Pam who is old! lol To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> From: atomicblonde@... <mailto:atomicblonde%40sky.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:54:09 +0100 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! Before my time I'm afraid – you guys are showing your age!!! I can't bear films where they break into song – apart from mary Poppins and Annie!! Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: 22 April 2009 04:07 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! You know your "oldies" sir! Bill --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@... <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> <mailto:steve%40familyszabo.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:59 PM The film is "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" and it was released in 1964. A good waste of time on a Sunday afternoon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish! That's one overstocked tank! I hope they were in a better tank between filmings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItfoiWpnb8 DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39559	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39560	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Good Morning Everyone!   Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.   First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.   You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one.  Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.   After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon.  Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.   Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank.  Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.   Drain and replace in the tank.  If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom.  Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.   Bill         [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39561	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

I think most folks just run the lines over the top & then hide with plants. I upgrade recently to Eheim 2217 for a 55 and an 80 gallon tank. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two i have really looked at and the most common nes available around here --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an assortment of > tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. The downside of using > one with an overflow is if the overflow ever loses it's siphon, your > canister could run dry and the water actually helps to keep the motor from > burning up. > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are easier > to customize in that manner. > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena Filstar > series and the prices on them are very competitive versus other name brand > canister filters. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister > filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air > tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39562	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

OOOPS... "after" typing the below, I realized that Kelly was replying to Onelvlady and not actually asking a question to the group. My bad.. but since I typed this all out, I figured I'd leave it. LOL Kelly, Why did you ask that question... I'm just curious... unless you are thinking it might be BGA??? ---------------- My basic weekly tank maintenance goes like this: Replant any plants that the goldfish have redecorated. Scrape any excess algae off the front and two sides. Turn one filter off and do proper filter maintenance and cleaning on that filter. While doing the filter maintenance, any suspended algae will have settle down into the gravel. Hook up Python and start siphon-vacuuming the gravel, which gets the majority of the detritus and recently scraped algae. Remove 25% of the water while vacuuming the gravel. Start refilling tank SLOWLY, using the Python. Add dechlor dosage, for water being replaced, directly to the tank. Start up "cleaned" filter system. Answer emails while watching the tank refill SLOWLY. The reason I refill "SLOWLY" is because I am refilling with only cold water and if the cold water out the tap is more than 8F cooler than the tank (which can happen during the winter time), then that much colder water will lower the tank temp by more than 2F (with a 25% PWC) so it's best to refill slowly (1/4" stream) so the fish can acclimate to the slowly and slightly cooling water. I also have a heater in the goldfish tank set at 74F which will kick on if the water temp gets below 74F (tank is normally around 74-75F) so by refilling slowly, the heater helps keep the temp from getting too much, if any, lower than 74F. The other BIG reason for refilling slowly is that if you get caught up in answering an email or phone call, you won't overflow the tank. LOL I've never had this happen but have gotten within a 1/2" of overflowing. Thank God I was refilling very SLOWLY so even if it would have overflowed, there wouldn't be much of a mess... hopefully. It usualy takes me 30 minutes to refill my tank using this slow-flow method but it's less stressful to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39563	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - polar bear attack

My son is mentally challenged too – I am relieved to be sure he would never jump into an animal enclosure Thank God I hope the poor lady isn't too scarred Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 14 April 2009 17:44 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] OT - polar bear attack Anyone see that amazing footage of a woman jumping into a polar bear enclosure? She is one lucky lady to be alive. Looked like the bear took at least one chuck out of her butt & sunk his teeth a few times :-( bites.OUCH! Sadly she is mentally challenged. I wish her a speedy recovery. My own daughter has her own set of mental challenges. Hard for most of us to relate - give it a shot & have some empathy. It is not there fault that they have challenges - they need help - daily. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Maybe it's that Motown and Do-Wop music you have playing. Oh wait.. that would be shimmying, not shimmer. ;-) LOL.. I decided to look on YouTube for a ShimmyTube and found this cute one. The first minute is a commercial for the dance studio so just push the slider to the 1 minute mark. Is that Amber a few years ago??? http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related> &feature=related> com/watch?v=mSoM2FJBNbo&feature=related Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's I've noticed under my lighting that the purple passion danio's are more colorful than they were at the LFS, they shimmer at times, reminding me of herring. LOL Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Ick. > > Must be a matter of preference. :) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > Well they may be washed out, but at least they keep my glofish > > company, and I think they're prettier than normal zebra danio's ;) > > hehe > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> "purple passion danios"? !!!! Somebody must have taken those washed > >> out pink-purple danios, and given them a new name. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Dora Smith > >> Austin, TX > >> tiggernut24@ <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > >> <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > >> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:52 PM > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > >> > >> Okay my LFS didn't get any more glofish in yet, and to make my 2 > glofish > >> happier I thought I would get them some other danio's to school > >> with, they've been hiding a lot and I think they've been depressed. > >> My > LFS got > >> some purple passion danio's in, and of course my love of purple > >> made me have to get some to see just how purple they really are ;) > >> LOL. My danio's are already much happier with friends, no longer > >> hiding, big change in personality already, I'm glad I got some more > >> danio's for > them. > >> I also informed the LFS on their monster catfish, and that they > >> should be telling people just how big they get ;) I also got a > >> couple more cory's to fill out my shoals, happy little guys now ;) > >> they like having > >> 5 of them rather than 3. > >> > >> Anyone have any good pictures of these purple passion danio's? I'm > >> curious just how purple they get ;) I think my LFS ordered them on > >> purpose, after my hubby told them not to order purple fish, LOL > >> > >> Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39564	From: hank voss	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > Are they shaped like "ballon"mollies? M. sanctaefilomenae (Red Eye Tet.)has been around for many years.It can get rather aggressive when adult.Its a tough fish ,but can get "ich"easily. If they are built like "ballon" mollies they are probably a new freak someone developed. If they have the big belly they probably cant swim too well. Regards Hank ============================================= > Hi guys > > I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. > > > Thank you in advance >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39565	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

I really don't see how moving the gravel around, vacuuming the gravel, etc. would cause harm to a fish. I've had some pretty jittery fish before and while they might get spooked when I do tank maintenance, I've never had one die from it. I'm still thinking water parameter shock... either pH, temperature, etc. Give us step by step details of what you are doing... similar to the step by step answer I typed a little while ago when replying to what I thought was a new thread/question by Kelly (but she was actually asking you a question). Just because it's recent, doesn't mean it can't be the tap water. Utilities will sometimes change the way they disinfect the water without telling fish keepers. This happened to LOTS of people when many utilities started changing from using chlorine to chloramine and there are still some utilities switching over today. Also, utilities will sometimes change the source of the water supply which then changes the tap water chemistry. This is why you should regularly do a tap water baseline testing (I do it twice a year since my summer water parameters are much different than my winter water parameters) and also sign up for any e-newsletter service that your water utility may put out. Government loves to pat themselves on the back about anything they do so you'll be certain to know when they are planning on doing things. I'm surprised most politicians aren't wearing shoulder braces from the strain. LOL As far as cleaning the gravel, NO, once a month is NOT enough. I'm not sure a month would be long enough for the poop/detritus to form toxic hydrogen sulfide gas pockets. Maybe someone else would know this. You should be vacuuming your gravel with your weekly 25% PWC's. I noticed you mentioned a battery operated gravel vacuum earlier. The best thing is to siphon vacuum the gravel during the PWC but I know they sell the battery operated ones that work on smaller tanks OK. They're usually not as good as a siphon though. The reason that once a month is NOT enough is that the gravel is being turned into a cess pool of fish poop and uneaten food. Same with the filter system. The longer you leave all the fish poop and detritus in the tank/filter, then you are leaving the fish swimming around in toilet water for that long. The longer the poop is in the tank, the more likely it will dissolve which then turns the water into diarrhea. Sorry to be so blunt but that's the truth. I think weekly tank maintenance is reasonable but on an under stocked tank, I guess going two weeks would be OK.... but in my experience, there aren't that many under stocked tanks out there. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a panda corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a number of PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I did a PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a couple of days. I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - which has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only way I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am afraid he too will die. Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether it is the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only affects the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a lot. It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months ago. I clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it only seems to happen if the gravel is moved. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39566	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

thanks guys been a big help, i looked into the rena filters, they seem good for larger aquariums... but it reduces the number of baskets in the smaller models, does that hurt the filtration? would i not be able to add additional media...so on? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "red-eye " <red-eye@...> wrote: > > I think most folks just run the lines over the top & then hide with plants. > > I upgrade recently to Eheim 2217 for a 55 and an 80 gallon tank. > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter > > > > > > > > > either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two i > have really looked at and the most common nes available around here > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an assortment of > > tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. The downside of using > > one with an overflow is if the overflow ever loses it's siphon, your > > canister could run dry and the water actually helps to keep the motor from > > burning up. > > > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are > easier > > to customize in that manner. > > > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena Filstar > > series and the prices on them are very competitive versus other name brand > > canister filters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do conister > > filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? > > > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run air > > tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39567	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

OK, I'll do some water testing and report back. Maybe I am refilling the tank too quickly. Also, in trying to keep the temp the same, I do use a bit of hot water mixed with the cold. Is that OK? I see you don't recommend that. I wonder what would happen if I cleaned the gravel and didn't change the water. Do you think it would be OK to try and see. I just hate losing fish. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I really don't see how moving the gravel around, vacuuming the gravel, etc. would cause harm to a fish. I've had some pretty jittery fish before and while they might get spooked when I do tank maintenance, I've never had one die from it. I'm still thinking water parameter shock... either pH, temperature, etc. Give us step by step details of what you are doing... similar to the step by step answer I typed a little while ago when replying to what I thought was a new thread/question by Kelly (but she was actually asking you a question). Just because it's recent, doesn't mean it can't be the tap water. Utilities will sometimes change the way they disinfect the water without telling fish keepers. This happened to LOTS of people when many utilities started changing from using chlorine to chloramine and there are still some utilities switching over today. Also, utilities will sometimes change the source of the water supply which then changes the tap water chemistry. This is why you should regularly do a tap water baseline testing (I do it twice a year since my summer water parameters are much different than my winter water parameters) and also sign up for any e-newsletter service that your water utility may put out. Government loves to pat themselves on the back about anything they do so you'll be certain to know when they are planning on doing things. I'm surprised most politicians aren't wearing shoulder braces from the strain. LOL As far as cleaning the gravel, NO, once a month is NOT enough. I'm not sure a month would be long enough for the poop/detritus to form toxic hydrogen sulfide gas pockets. Maybe someone else would know this. You should be vacuuming your gravel with your weekly 25% PWC's. I noticed you mentioned a battery operated gravel vacuum earlier. The best thing is to siphon vacuum the gravel during the PWC but I know they sell the battery operated ones that work on smaller tanks OK. They're usually not as good as a siphon though. The reason that once a month is NOT enough is that the gravel is being turned into a cess pool of fish poop and uneaten food. Same with the filter system. The longer you leave all the fish poop and detritus in the tank/filter, then you are leaving the fish swimming around in toilet water for that long. The longer the poop is in the tank, the more likely it will dissolve which then turns the water into diarrhea. Sorry to be so blunt but that's the truth. I think weekly tank maintenance is reasonable but on an under stocked tank, I guess going two weeks would be OK.... but in my experience, there aren't that many under stocked tanks out there. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a panda corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a number of PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I did a PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a couple of days. I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - which has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only way I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am afraid he too will die. Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether it is the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only affects the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a lot. It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months ago. I clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it only seems to happen if the gravel is moved. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39568	From: onelvlady	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

I don't have much algae. What I do get, just stays on the scrapper. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" <atomicblonde@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:56 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39569	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

The XP1 has only one basket but it's a BIG basket. The reservoir still holds nearly a gallon of water to give you an idea of how big the basket is. I have a 2" thick section of large pore open cell sponge, then a 2" thick section of smaller pore open cell sponge, then two layers of blue-white filter pad, then a 1/4" thick layer of micro-polishing filter pad, then a packet of Purigen. It doesn't matter how many baskets a filter system has as you can still stack the various filter medium in a single basket or separate it into separate baskets on the larger XP models like the 2, 3 and 4. IMO, you don't really need more than the above anyhow as far as total media on most tanks. I ran the XP1 and a Marineland Biowheel 200 on my 65G goldfish tanks for a while and it was fine. I would alternate doing filter maintenance but now do weekly maintenance on both filters with one of them getting a better cleaning than the other but both getting at least the big stuff flushed out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter thanks guys been a big help, i looked into the rena filters, they seem good for larger aquariums... but it reduces the number of baskets in the smaller models, does that hurt the filtration? would i not be able to add additional media...so on? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "red-eye " <red-eye@...> wrote: > > I think most folks just run the lines over the top & then hide with plants. > > I upgrade recently to Eheim 2217 for a 55 and an 80 gallon tank. > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:47 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter > > > > > > > > > either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two > i have really looked at and the most common nes available around here > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an > > assortment of tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. > > The downside of using one with an overflow is if the overflow ever > > loses it's siphon, your canister could run dry and the water > > actually helps to keep the motor from burning up. > > > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are > easier > > to customize in that manner. > > > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena > > Filstar series and the prices on them are very competitive versus > > other name brand canister filters. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do > > conister filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines over the top? > > > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run > > air tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over the top?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39570	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

It's OK to use some hot water if you do regular maintenance on your hot water heater.... unfortunately, most people don't. There is a valve at the bottom of hot water heaters so you can hook up a hose to it and then drain some of the water every year to flush out all the sludge that builds up in the bottom. Most people do not do this so that sludge eventually builds up and causes the hot water heater to fail but until it fails, that sludge is fermenting in your hot water heater. The sludge comes from all the stuff in your water and while it's sitting in the hot water heater basically cooking/condensing constantly, the stuff comes out of solution with the condensed water (steam) and just builds up in the bottom. Here's a DIY article on doing this hot water heater maintenance. http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/pl_water_heaters/article/0,,DIY_14194_2277696, 00.htm The hot water you are adding will also have a HIGH CO2 level and low pH. Test it to verify what I'm saying. Of course, on the 48 hour baseline, much of the CO2 will outgas from the hot water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question OK, I'll do some water testing and report back. Maybe I am refilling the tank too quickly. Also, in trying to keep the temp the same, I do use a bit of hot water mixed with the cold. Is that OK? I see you don't recommend that. I wonder what would happen if I cleaned the gravel and didn't change the water. Do you think it would be OK to try and see. I just hate losing fish. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I really don't see how moving the gravel around, vacuuming the gravel, etc. would cause harm to a fish. I've had some pretty jittery fish before and while they might get spooked when I do tank maintenance, I've never had one die from it. I'm still thinking water parameter shock... either pH, temperature, etc. Give us step by step details of what you are doing... similar to the step by step answer I typed a little while ago when replying to what I thought was a new thread/question by Kelly (but she was actually asking you a question). Just because it's recent, doesn't mean it can't be the tap water. Utilities will sometimes change the way they disinfect the water without telling fish keepers. This happened to LOTS of people when many utilities started changing from using chlorine to chloramine and there are still some utilities switching over today. Also, utilities will sometimes change the source of the water supply which then changes the tap water chemistry. This is why you should regularly do a tap water baseline testing (I do it twice a year since my summer water parameters are much different than my winter water parameters) and also sign up for any e-newsletter service that your water utility may put out. Government loves to pat themselves on the back about anything they do so you'll be certain to know when they are planning on doing things. I'm surprised most politicians aren't wearing shoulder braces from the strain. LOL As far as cleaning the gravel, NO, once a month is NOT enough. I'm not sure a month would be long enough for the poop/detritus to form toxic hydrogen sulfide gas pockets. Maybe someone else would know this. You should be vacuuming your gravel with your weekly 25% PWC's. I noticed you mentioned a battery operated gravel vacuum earlier. The best thing is to siphon vacuum the gravel during the PWC but I know they sell the battery operated ones that work on smaller tanks OK. They're usually not as good as a siphon though. The reason that once a month is NOT enough is that the gravel is being turned into a cess pool of fish poop and uneaten food. Same with the filter system. The longer you leave all the fish poop and detritus in the tank/filter, then you are leaving the fish swimming around in toilet water for that long. The longer the poop is in the tank, the more likely it will dissolve which then turns the water into diarrhea. Sorry to be so blunt but that's the truth. I think weekly tank maintenance is reasonable but on an under stocked tank, I guess going two weeks would be OK.... but in my experience, there aren't that many under stocked tanks out there. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a panda corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a number of PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I did a PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a couple of days. I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - which has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only way I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am afraid he too will die. Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether it is the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only affects the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a lot. It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months ago. I clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it only seems to happen if the gravel is moved. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39571	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: HR 669 hearing is on!

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39572	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Lenny, When I click on your links I get a message that says that your blogs do not exist!!! Is it just my puter or is this true for everyone? Sandi --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:33 PM The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 05/find-your- tap-source- water-baseline. ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions) . Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/notice- this-article- is-very-importan t. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39573	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

See my signature. The actual article links are sometimes long and Yahoo Group's doesn't play well with long links and will break them. That's why I have my signature with an explanation. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny, When I click on your links I get a message that says that your blogs do not exist!!! Is it just my puter or is this true for everyone? Sandi --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:33 PM The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 05/find-your- tap-source- water-baseline. ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions) . Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/notice- this-article- is-very-importan t. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39574	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Thank You!!! --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:51 AM See my signature. The actual article links are sometimes long and Yahoo Group's doesn't play well with long links and will break them. That's why I have my signature with an explanation. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:08 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny, When I click on your links I get a message that says that your blogs do not exist!!! Is it just my puter or is this true for everyone? Sandi --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:33 PM The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 05/find-your- tap-source- water-baseline. ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions) . Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny. blogspot. com/2007/ 02/notice- this-article- is-very-importan t. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39575	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

I refill directly from the tap. You can get a coiled hose ½” X 50’ and with the right fittings available at a plumbing supply ( not Home Depot) & temper the water temperature to your liking. The fitting I have are quick couplers which it makes it easier than trying to attached the hose to a threaded connection. I can add water slow or fast. I dose water conditioner before & after using a baster & squirt it underwater to the intake of the filter. That way you do not compromise that good bacteria in your filter. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question It's OK to use some hot water if you do regular maintenance on your hot water heater.... unfortunately, most people don't. There is a valve at the bottom of hot water heaters so you can hook up a hose to it and then drain some of the water every year to flush out all the sludge that builds up in the bottom. Most people do not do this so that sludge eventually builds up and causes the hot water heater to fail but until it fails, that sludge is fermenting in your hot water heater. The sludge comes from all the stuff in your water and while it's sitting in the hot water heater basically cooking/condensing constantly, the stuff comes out of solution with the condensed water (steam) and just builds up in the bottom. Here's a DIY article on doing this hot water heater maintenance. http://www.diynetwo <http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/pl_water_heaters/article/0,,DIY_14194_2277696 ,> rk.com/diy/pl_water_heaters/article/0,,DIY_14194_2277696, 00.htm The hot water you are adding will also have a HIGH CO2 level and low pH. Test it to verify what I'm saying. Of course, on the 48 hour baseline, much of the CO2 will outgas from the hot water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:11 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question OK, I'll do some water testing and report back. Maybe I am refilling the tank too quickly. Also, in trying to keep the temp the same, I do use a bit of hot water mixed with the cold. Is that OK? I see you don't recommend that. I wonder what would happen if I cleaned the gravel and didn't change the water. Do you think it would be OK to try and see. I just hate losing fish. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I really don't see how moving the gravel around, vacuuming the gravel, etc. would cause harm to a fish. I've had some pretty jittery fish before and while they might get spooked when I do tank maintenance, I've never had one die from it. I'm still thinking water parameter shock... either pH, temperature, etc. Give us step by step details of what you are doing... similar to the step by step answer I typed a little while ago when replying to what I thought was a new thread/question by Kelly (but she was actually asking you a question). Just because it's recent, doesn't mean it can't be the tap water. Utilities will sometimes change the way they disinfect the water without telling fish keepers. This happened to LOTS of people when many utilities started changing from using chlorine to chloramine and there are still some utilities switching over today. Also, utilities will sometimes change the source of the water supply which then changes the tap water chemistry. This is why you should regularly do a tap water baseline testing (I do it twice a year since my summer water parameters are much different than my winter water parameters) and also sign up for any e-newsletter service that your water utility may put out. Government loves to pat themselves on the back about anything they do so you'll be certain to know when they are planning on doing things. I'm surprised most politicians aren't wearing shoulder braces from the strain. LOL As far as cleaning the gravel, NO, once a month is NOT enough. I'm not sure a month would be long enough for the poop/detritus to form toxic hydrogen sulfide gas pockets. Maybe someone else would know this. You should be vacuuming your gravel with your weekly 25% PWC's. I noticed you mentioned a battery operated gravel vacuum earlier. The best thing is to siphon vacuum the gravel during the PWC but I know they sell the battery operated ones that work on smaller tanks OK. They're usually not as good as a siphon though. The reason that once a month is NOT enough is that the gravel is being turned into a cess pool of fish poop and uneaten food. Same with the filter system. The longer you leave all the fish poop and detritus in the tank/filter, then you are leaving the fish swimming around in toilet water for that long. The longer the poop is in the tank, the more likely it will dissolve which then turns the water into diarrhea. Sorry to be so blunt but that's the truth. I think weekly tank maintenance is reasonable but on an under stocked tank, I guess going two weeks would be OK.... but in my experience, there aren't that many under stocked tanks out there. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny and Joey. the first time I lost a catfish, I too thought perhaps I had injured it. It was a armored corydora. The next one I lost was a panda corydora and again this was with moving the gravel. I have done a number of PWC and it hasn't affected any of the fish. Just this last weekend, I did a PWC. I did not use the vacuum but did use a scrapper to clean the front inside of the glass. I took it down far enough to move some of the gravel in the front of the tank. The next day, my last armored corydora quit moving around so much. He got darker and darker and died within a couple of days. I have two 10 gal tanks and this is only happening in the first one - which has been set up for about 5 months. Lenny, I really don't think it is the tap water as this problem is recent. I now have taken one albino catfish out of my other tank and he is now alone in the problem tank. The only way I can now prove it might be related to the gravel is to move it and I am afraid he too will die. Oh, BTW, my substrate is average size. I might be way off on whether it is the gravel, and from what you say I am, but whatever it is - it only affects the bottom dwellers. But then, I have guppies and they can withstand a lot. It it were water related, my armored catfish would have died months ago. I clean the gravel about once a month. Is that enough?? I have learned from reading on this list to take proper care of the filters and again, it only seems to happen if the gravel is moved. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> To: <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question The gas pockets (hydrogen sulfide) issue rarely happens with normal gravel, especially if it's vacuumed on a regular basis. With sand substrates, it would be more likely to happen.. or maybe with BB sized gravel, it could happen... or maybe if someone didn't vacuum their gravel for months and months until the poop is literally filling up the gravel and the poop is getting compacted down into the gravel. What is your tap water baseline test results and tank test results? That would be a higher chance of causing problems if your pH from your tap is drastically lower than the tank. Also, if you are using hot water, added to the cold water to raise the cold water temp, that can cause problems if your hot water heater has not been maintained properly and can be full of nasty stuff. Here's my article on "Find your tap/source water baseline" http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h t> blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml BTW... what kind of catfish? And tell us more about your tank. Size, how long set up, filter system(s), fish types, sizes and numbers, etc.? Are you doing filter maintenance when you do your other tank maintenance? Are you doing proper filter maintenance (this means NOT following the manufacturers instructions). Here's my article on proper filter maintenance. http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important .> blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39576	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

What's BGA? I thought maybe the catfish were ingesting the scraped off algae from the side of the glass that was floating and settling after cleaning – my fish will try and eat anything that's floating around so after scraping the algae off the glass I have to catch it all with a net Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 23 April 2009 14:23 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question OOOPS... "after" typing the below, I realized that Kelly was replying to Onelvlady and not actually asking a question to the group. My bad.. but since I typed this all out, I figured I'd leave it. LOL Kelly, Why did you ask that question... I'm just curious... unless you are thinking it might be BGA??? ---------------- My basic weekly tank maintenance goes like this: Replant any plants that the goldfish have redecorated. Scrape any excess algae off the front and two sides. Turn one filter off and do proper filter maintenance and cleaning on that filter. While doing the filter maintenance, any suspended algae will have settle down into the gravel. Hook up Python and start siphon-vacuuming the gravel, which gets the majority of the detritus and recently scraped algae. Remove 25% of the water while vacuuming the gravel. Start refilling tank SLOWLY, using the Python. Add dechlor dosage, for water being replaced, directly to the tank. Start up "cleaned" filter system. Answer emails while watching the tank refill SLOWLY. The reason I refill "SLOWLY" is because I am refilling with only cold water and if the cold water out the tap is more than 8F cooler than the tank (which can happen during the winter time), then that much colder water will lower the tank temp by more than 2F (with a 25% PWC) so it's best to refill slowly (1/4" stream) so the fish can acclimate to the slowly and slightly cooling water. I also have a heater in the goldfish tank set at 74F which will kick on if the water temp gets below 74F (tank is normally around 74-75F) so by refilling slowly, the heater helps keep the temp from getting too much, if any, lower than 74F. The other BIG reason for refilling slowly is that if you get caught up in answering an email or phone call, you won't overflow the tank. LOL I've never had this happen but have gotten within a 1/2" of overflowing. Thank God I was refilling very SLOWLY so even if it would have overflowed, there wouldn't be much of a mess... hopefully. It usualy takes me 30 minutes to refill my tank using this slow-flow method but it's less stressful to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39577	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra

hank there like small discuss in the round sense..I have full grown head and tail tetras there semi agressive...they peck at all my other fish..  --- On Thu, 4/23/09, hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: From: hank voss <aatetras@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Red eye ballon tetra To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:37 AM --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > Are they shaped like "ballon"mollies? M. sanctaefilomenae (Red Eye Tet.)has been around for many years.It can get rather aggressive when adult.Its a tough fish ,but can get "ich"easily. If they are built like "ballon" mollies they are probably a new freak someone developed. If they have the big belly they probably cant swim too well. Regards Hank ============ ========= ========= ========= ====== > Hi guys > > I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. > > > Thank you in advance > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39578	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra

you got it Lenny thats it.Moenkhausia sanctaefilomenae . how r the cares for thsi little guys? --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Red eye ballon tetra To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:42 PM Moenkhausia sanctaefilomenae (another common name is Balloon Belly Red Eye Tetra or Red-eyed Tetra, Yellow-banded Moenkhausia, Red-eyed Moe). Check out the picture link on the below profile to see if this is what you have. http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Moenkhausia_ sanctaefilomenae .html Maybe Ray or \\Steve// or others can say how long these have been around. I'm suspecting a while since the profiles on Mongabay were written quite a while back and then updated as new info becomes available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:13 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red eye ballon tetra Hi guys I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. Thank you in advance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39579	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

It's OK for most, if not all fish to eat the algae... except for BGA (Blue-Green Algae) which is actually cyanobacteria. Most fish (algae eating types) will not eat BGA/Cyanobacteria.. presumably because it's not good for them. http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/algae/cyano.shtml and/or http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/cyanobacteria.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question What's BGA? I thought maybe the catfish were ingesting the scraped off algae from the side of the glass that was floating and settling after cleaning - my fish will try and eat anything that's floating around so after scraping the algae off the glass I have to catch it all with a net Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 23 April 2009 14:23 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question OOOPS... "after" typing the below, I realized that Kelly was replying to Onelvlady and not actually asking a question to the group. My bad.. but since I typed this all out, I figured I'd leave it. LOL Kelly, Why did you ask that question... I'm just curious... unless you are thinking it might be BGA??? ---------------- My basic weekly tank maintenance goes like this: Replant any plants that the goldfish have redecorated. Scrape any excess algae off the front and two sides. Turn one filter off and do proper filter maintenance and cleaning on that filter. While doing the filter maintenance, any suspended algae will have settle down into the gravel. Hook up Python and start siphon-vacuuming the gravel, which gets the majority of the detritus and recently scraped algae. Remove 25% of the water while vacuuming the gravel. Start refilling tank SLOWLY, using the Python. Add dechlor dosage, for water being replaced, directly to the tank. Start up "cleaned" filter system. Answer emails while watching the tank refill SLOWLY. The reason I refill "SLOWLY" is because I am refilling with only cold water and if the cold water out the tap is more than 8F cooler than the tank (which can happen during the winter time), then that much colder water will lower the tank temp by more than 2F (with a 25% PWC) so it's best to refill slowly (1/4" stream) so the fish can acclimate to the slowly and slightly cooling water. I also have a heater in the goldfish tank set at 74F which will kick on if the water temp gets below 74F (tank is normally around 74-75F) so by refilling slowly, the heater helps keep the temp from getting too much, if any, lower than 74F. The other BIG reason for refilling slowly is that if you get caught up in answering an email or phone call, you won't overflow the tank. LOL I've never had this happen but have gotten within a 1/2" of overflowing. Thank God I was refilling very SLOWLY so even if it would have overflowed, there wouldn't be much of a mess... hopefully. It usualy takes me 30 minutes to refill my tank using this slow-flow method but it's less stressful to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39580	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Kelly, what you do not get out will re-establish in your tank.You do not want to move it but rather remove it ASAP. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39581	From: David Keymel	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Red eye ballon tetra

we found something like these recently to. we have 6 of them. They appear to have two types of fish that look identical in colors, but body shape is very different. they have the ones pictured in the link that lenny gave then they have some that are very stubby and pudgy looking. these are the ones we have, and supposedly are different from the others. They are very cute, and tend to like to chill out in sparse plants that we have in the tank. they do like to school up. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Moenkhausia sanctaefilomenae (another common name is Balloon Belly Red Eye > Tetra or Red-eyed Tetra, Yellow-banded Moenkhausia, Red-eyed Moe). Check > out the picture link on the below profile to see if this is what you have. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Moenkhausia_sanctaefilomenae.html > > Maybe Ray or \\Steve// or others can say how long these have been around. > I'm suspecting a while since the profiles on Mongabay were written quite a > while back and then updated as new info becomes available. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of greychildren > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Red eye ballon tetra > > Hi guys > > I need some info on this guys i just got 3 and can't find info on the net of > them. According to my LFS there new in the market.. > > Thank you in advance > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39582	From: Kelly	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Red-eye I do remove it – I scrape a small section then have a scoopy with the net Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 23 April 2009 18:18 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Kelly, what you do not get out will re-establish in your tank.You do not want to move it but rather remove it ASAP. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39583	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Miffed

People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39584	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Miffed To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:14 PM      People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told.  My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G.  I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller.  He didn't strike me as a swindler.  I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund.  I'm totally at his mercy.  There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List.  At least with eBay you can leave feedback.  I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39585	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

He actually sent me the correct measurements and I know how to calculate volume. I used the measurements to decide where the tank would fit and didn't even think about doing the calcs until the tank was almost half full and it shouldn't have been. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Miffed To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:14 PM People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39586	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

So? Now I’m confused? Was this a good thing or bad? The tank was bigger than you hoped for or smaller that you imagined? <grin> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:53 PM >      He actually > sent me the correct measurements and I know how to > calculate volume.  I used the measurements to decide > where the tank would > fit and didn't even think about doing the calcs until the > tank was almost > half full and it shouldn't have been. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > > > In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by > 231 > will give you gallon capacity.  And on crags list, > never trust the > stated measurements.  Take a tape and calculator and > do your own at > time of sale BEFORE money changes hands > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > > wrote: > > > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Miffed > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:14 PM > > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape > measure and do > your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were > told. My "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was > just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a > swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. > I'm totally at his > mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off > Craig's List. At least > with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed > with myself than > with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and > post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39587	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

It was smaller than I wanted, but it had the footprint I had planned for, only it could have been taller or wider/longer and still fit. So this is a bad thing. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> So? Now I’m confused? Was this a good thing or bad? The tank was bigger than you hoped for or smaller that you imagined? <grin> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > He actually sent me the correct measurements and I know how to > calculate volume. I used the measurements to decide where the tank would > fit and didn't even think about doing the calcs until the tank was almost > half full and it shouldn't have been. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > > In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 > will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the > stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and > do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > wrote: > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do > your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at > his > mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At > least > with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than > with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a tank and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale sign. And it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G tank becomes a 65G tank at retail. What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Miffed People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39589	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

Even more accurate if you measure the “inside” , as the glass thickness does make a difference especially in a larger tank. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> prodigy.net> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> prodigy.net> Subject: [AquaticLife] Miffed To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:14 PM People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39590	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Comittee hearing for HR 669 if you missed it today

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39591	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Kelly I have a DIY system that helps me drain water out of the house. Before I remove the amount of water I want to change I use a separate ½” dia. hose that I attached to a credit card in my plastic tank and a 3m pad for the glass tank. That way it works like a vacuum. I do the glass first & then stir up the rest of the tank so a lot of it goes bye bye & does not contribute to the load in the filter. There are many ways of doing things & different things work better for some than others. I am a lazy guy, meaning I want to do the least amount of work – that is where the brain comes in handy. When I come up with something new I wonder what took me so long. Don’t be afraid to experiment, for me it’s part of the fun. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Red-eye I do remove it – I scrape a small section then have a scoopy with the net Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 23 April 2009 18:18 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Kelly, what you do not get out will re-establish in your tank.You do not want to move it but rather remove it ASAP. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39592	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

I know it's hard to settle on something less. Maybe you need to put it up for sale & get yourself the "perfect" one Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed It was smaller than I wanted, but it had the footprint I had planned for, only it could have been taller or wider/longer and still fit. So this is a bad thing. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> So? Now I'm confused? Was this a good thing or bad? The tank was bigger than you hoped for or smaller that you imagined? <grin> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> prodigy.net> wrote: > He actually sent me the correct measurements and I know how to > calculate volume. I used the measurements to decide where the tank would > fit and didn't even think about doing the calcs until the tank was almost > half full and it shouldn't have been. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> > > In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 > will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the > stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and > do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ <mailto:menagerie_manager%40prodigy.net> prodigy.net> > wrote: > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do > your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at > his > mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At > least > with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than > with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39593	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were the interior measurements, but they're not. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a tank and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale sign. And it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G tank becomes a 65G tank at retail. What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39594	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem

I found out why it was locking up. It's not compatible with Upromise's TurboSaver. Upromise will have that problem fixed in a couple of weeks. Please let's not start the debate again over browsers and PC vs Mac. I just thought I'd post this in case anyone else is having trouble after updating to IE8. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39595	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Red-Eye, Be very careful of using a credit card in your fish tank, in fact I would advise against it, especially if the tank is anywhere near a phone outlet. Fish have more brains than we give them credit for and sooner or later you're going to start noticing new tank decorations showing up that you know you never ordered. ;-) DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> Kelly I have a DIY system that helps me drain water out of the house. Before I remove the amount of water I want to change I use a separate ½" dia. hose that I attached to a credit card in my plastic tank and a 3m pad for the glass tank. That way it works like a vacuum. I do the glass first & then stir up the rest of the tank so a lot of it goes bye bye & does not contribute to the load in the filter. There are many ways of doing things & different things work better for some than others. I am a lazy guy, meaning I want to do the least amount of work - that is where the brain comes in handy. When I come up with something new I wonder what took me so long. Don't be afraid to experiment, for me it's part of the fun. Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39596	From: bill1433	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Now I’m going to check! I was wondering about that flat screen TV! Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:21 PM > Red-Eye, > >      Be very careful of using a credit > card in your fish tank, in fact I > would advise against it, especially if the tank is anywhere > near a phone > outlet.  Fish have more brains than we give them > credit for and sooner or > later you're going to start noticing new tank decorations > showing up that > you know you never ordered. > > ;-) > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> > > Kelly I have a DIY system that helps me drain water out of > the house. Before > I remove the amount of water I want to change I use a > separate ½" dia. hose > that I attached to a credit card in my plastic tank and a > 3m pad for the > glass tank. That way it works like a vacuum. > > I do the glass first & then stir up the rest of the > tank so a lot of it goes > bye bye & does not contribute to the load in the > filter. There are many ways > of doing things & different things work better for some > than others. I am a > lazy guy, meaning I want to do the least amount of work - > that is where the > brain comes in handy. When I come up with something new I > wonder what took > me so long. Don't be afraid to experiment, for me it's part > of the fun. > > Regards, > red-eye > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39597	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

At least it's a 75G and not just a 70G. That's not the best kind of tank for goldfish at all... although it does have the same surface area as a 55G (48" x 12" foot print). Since you have three goldfish, you at least have 25G per goldfish in water volume which is kind of the bare minimum for fancies but as you note, the tank dimensions aren't sufficient for long-bodied goldfish. Really, long-bodied goldfish should be in a pond unless one has a really BIG & LONG tank. A common goldfish should grow to over 18" long with a huge body mass. If you ever change fish types, your tank would make a nice mated pair of Angelfish tank. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed 24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were the interior measurements, but they're not. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a tank and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale sign. And it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G tank becomes a 65G tank at retail. What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39598	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem

LOL.. now you're gonna start up the debate about what is adware/spyware and what isn't. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem I found out why it was locking up. It's not compatible with Upromise's TurboSaver. Upromise will have that problem fixed in a couple of weeks. Please let's not start the debate again over browsers and PC vs Mac. I just thought I'd post this in case anyone else is having trouble after updating to IE8. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39599	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

That only plays the NatGeo Channel and won't even come close to the Fishing Channel. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Now I’m going to check! I was wondering about that flat screen TV! Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: > From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:21 PM Red-Eye, > >      Be very careful of using a credit card in your fish tank, in fact > I would advise against it, especially if the tank is anywhere near a > phone outlet.  Fish have more brains than we give them credit for and > sooner or later you're going to start noticing new tank decorations > showing up that you know you never ordered. > > ;-) > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "red-eye " <red-eye@...> > > Kelly I have a DIY system that helps me drain water out of the house. > Before I remove the amount of water I want to change I use a separate > ½" dia. hose that I attached to a credit card in my plastic tank and a > 3m pad for the glass tank. That way it works like a vacuum. > > I do the glass first & then stir up the rest of the tank so a lot of > it goes bye bye & does not contribute to the load in the filter. There > are many ways of doing things & different things work better for some > than others. I am a lazy guy, meaning I want to do the least amount of > work - that is where the brain comes in handy. When I come up with > something new I wonder what took me so long. Don't be afraid to > experiment, for me it's part of the fun. > > Regards, > red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39600	From: gail	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!   Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.   First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.   You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one.  Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.   After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon.  Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.   Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank.  Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.   Drain and replace in the tank.  If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom.  Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.   Bill         [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39601	From: red-eye	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Lenny is the exception a SAE? I know the CAE are not fun in a tank when they suck the life out of others Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question It's OK for most, if not all fish to eat the algae... except for BGA (Blue-Green Algae) which is actually cyanobacteria. Most fish (algae eating types) will not eat BGA/Cyanobacteria.. presumably because it's not good for them. http://www.skeptica <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/algae/cyano.shtml> laquarist.com/docs/algae/cyano.shtml and/or http://www.thekrib. <http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/cyanobacteria.html> com/Plants/Algae/cyanobacteria.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:27 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question What's BGA? I thought maybe the catfish were ingesting the scraped off algae from the side of the glass that was floating and settling after cleaning - my fish will try and eat anything that's floating around so after scraping the algae off the glass I have to catch it all with a net Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 23 April 2009 14:23 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question OOOPS... "after" typing the below, I realized that Kelly was replying to Onelvlady and not actually asking a question to the group. My bad.. but since I typed this all out, I figured I'd leave it. LOL Kelly, Why did you ask that question... I'm just curious... unless you are thinking it might be BGA??? ---------------- My basic weekly tank maintenance goes like this: Replant any plants that the goldfish have redecorated. Scrape any excess algae off the front and two sides. Turn one filter off and do proper filter maintenance and cleaning on that filter. While doing the filter maintenance, any suspended algae will have settle down into the gravel. Hook up Python and start siphon-vacuuming the gravel, which gets the majority of the detritus and recently scraped algae. Remove 25% of the water while vacuuming the gravel. Start refilling tank SLOWLY, using the Python. Add dechlor dosage, for water being replaced, directly to the tank. Start up "cleaned" filter system. Answer emails while watching the tank refill SLOWLY. The reason I refill "SLOWLY" is because I am refilling with only cold water and if the cold water out the tap is more than 8F cooler than the tank (which can happen during the winter time), then that much colder water will lower the tank temp by more than 2F (with a 25% PWC) so it's best to refill slowly (1/4" stream) so the fish can acclimate to the slowly and slightly cooling water. I also have a heater in the goldfish tank set at 74F which will kick on if the water temp gets below 74F (tank is normally around 74-75F) so by refilling slowly, the heater helps keep the temp from getting too much, if any, lower than 74F. The other BIG reason for refilling slowly is that if you get caught up in answering an email or phone call, you won't overflow the tank. LOL I've never had this happen but have gotten within a 1/2" of overflowing. Thank God I was refilling very SLOWLY so even if it would have overflowed, there wouldn't be much of a mess... hopefully. It usualy takes me 30 minutes to refill my tank using this slow-flow method but it's less stressful to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39602	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

How about the animal planet channel with the River Monsters show? Anyone watching that one? I love it. They had alligator gars last night. Janet (who STILL doesn't have her big tank! *pout*) http://www.janet-ford.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39603	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

I do not know of any fish that will eat BGA (Blue-Green Algae properly called Cyanobacteria). I just did a Google and Chuck's Planted Aquaria pages, which are known to be reliable, also says that no fish will eat BGA. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_algae.htm (SNIP) Blue-Green Algae: This is actually Cyanobacteria. Commonly referred to by the initials BGA. BGA is a green shiny slimy algae. It's got a nasty smell to it. It tends to grow in sheets. It is very different from most algae. BGA is a bizarre combination of bacteria and algae. It is common in two different circumstances: In very low nitrate situations, BGA will sometimes form. It is able to get nitrogen from the air. I've seen BGA several times right near the surface, under the filter return. In this location, it can obtain nitrogen from the air. Adding Nitrate to maintain a 5-10ppm nitrate level often eliminates the BGA. BGA has also been found to occur in situations where poor water currents in the tank result in low O2 levels in portions of the tank. In these cases, increasing water movement will often eliminate the BGA. No fish will eat BGA. As stated above, BGA is a bacteria. Some studies suggest that BGA contains toxins. This would explain why nothing will eat it. As a last resort, antibiotics have been used to clear BGA. But antibiotics should be used carefully. They can damage bio-filter bacteria, and mis-use of antibiotics can be harmful to the fish. (END SNIP) Of course, there's almost always exceptions to the rules so there may be something out there that eats it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Lenny is the exception a SAE? I know the CAE are not fun in a tank when they suck the life out of others Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39604	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: canister filter

I have 2 XP 4's and I love them. As long as you separate the hoses right after unplugging the filter, it won't back syphon back into the filter, and the hoses will still be full of water for when you plug it back in, so it will start right up again. Mine has, I think 4 baskets, but there's more than plenty of room in each basket for more media than I already have in them. Each basket is about 4 inches maybe bigger in size (depth?) so you can fit a lot in each basket. Plus it comes with separators for the basket as well so you can separate out the media if you don't want them sitting on top of each other. If I could switch all my filters over for free I would ;) LOL. I definitely prefer them over my other 2 canister filters, I have a magnum 350 deluxe and an eheim thermofilter 2127 or something like that. The rena's push more water than my other filters, plus they're easier to get started again, and also easier to clean. The eheim is easy to clean but awful to get primed again after I clean it, stupid design IMO. The magnum 350's are not too bad, but I prefer the media baskets of the Rena Filstar Xp's over the magnum 350. The basket for the magnum 350 carbon container falls apart after several years, so it's not as well made as the Rena's seem to be (solid plastic rather than plastic parts held together with more plastic parts, LOL). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > The XP1 has only one basket but it's a BIG basket. The reservoir still > holds nearly a gallon of water to give you an idea of how big the > basket is. > I have a 2" thick section of large pore open cell sponge, then a 2" thick > section of smaller pore open cell sponge, then two layers of blue-white > filter pad, then a 1/4" thick layer of micro-polishing filter pad, then a > packet of Purigen. It doesn't matter how many baskets a filter system has > as you can still stack the various filter medium in a single basket or > separate it into separate baskets on the larger XP models like the 2, > 3 and > 4. IMO, you don't really need more than the above anyhow as far as total > media on most tanks. I ran the XP1 and a Marineland Biowheel 200 on my 65G > goldfish tanks for a while and it was fine. I would alternate doing filter > maintenance but now do weekly maintenance on both filters with one of them > getting a better cleaning than the other but both getting at least the big > stuff flushed out. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:02 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter > > thanks guys been a big help, i looked into the rena filters, they seem > good > for larger aquariums... but it reduces the number of baskets in the > smaller > models, does that hurt the filtration? would i not be able to add > additional > media...so on? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "red-eye " <red-eye@...> wrote: > > > > I think most folks just run the lines over the top & then hide with > plants. > > > > I upgrade recently to Eheim 2217 for a 55 and an 80 gallon tank. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:47 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: canister filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a marineland c series or a fluval from hagan, those are the two > > i have really looked at and the most common nes available around here > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > They will work with an overflow but most have their own hard plastic > > > plumbing pieces to go over the frame of the tank and then an > > > assortment of tubes/fittings to customize your intake and outflow. > > > The downside of using one with an overflow is if the overflow ever > > > loses it's siphon, your canister could run dry and the water > > > actually helps to keep the motor from burning up. > > > > > > Yes, you can drill a glass tank but it's not easy. Acrylic tanks are > > easier > > > to customize in that manner. > > > > > > What brand/model canister are you considering? I like the Rena > > > Filstar series and the prices on them are very competitive versus > > > other name brand canister filters. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Courtland Jacob > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:12 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] canister filter > > > > > > thinking of upgrading to a canister filter in my 55 gallon, do > > > conister filters work with over flows or do you hang the lines > over the > top? > > > > > > is it possible to drill into a tank yourself? or if i'm going to run > > > air tubing should i just go ahead and run the filter lines over > the top? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39605	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

I have a not so nice mated pair of Angels and they rule my 125 gallon tank ;) Where do you get these so called "nice Angel's" LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > At least it's a 75G and not just a 70G. That's not the best kind of tank > for goldfish at all... although it does have the same surface area as > a 55G > (48" x 12" foot print). Since you have three goldfish, you at least have > 25G per goldfish in water volume which is kind of the bare minimum for > fancies but as you note, the tank dimensions aren't sufficient for > long-bodied goldfish. Really, long-bodied goldfish should be in a pond > unless one has a really BIG & LONG tank. A common goldfish should grow to > over 18" long with a huge body mass. > > If you ever change fish types, your tank would make a nice mated pair of > Angelfish tank. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > 24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies > don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were the > interior measurements, but they're not. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a tank > and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale sign. And > it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. > Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. > Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G tank > becomes a 65G tank at retail. > > What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and > do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My > "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at > his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At > least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with > myself > than with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39606	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Faxes work the very best? I thought mailed letters did - thought faxed letters just collect on flimsy paper around the fax machine. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=SO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â?" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... Henry Brown (R-SC) 103 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 North Charleston, SC 29406 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html Lois Capps (D-CA) 1110 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 Port Hueneme, CA 93041 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml William Cassidy (R-LA) 506 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 Baton Rouge, LA 70808 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 1032 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 Provo, UT 84601 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands) 1510 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-1790 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5517 (Washington Fax #) Nisky Business Center Second Floor, Suite 207 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00802 340/778-4408 (District Tel. #) 340/778-8033 (District Fax #) P.O. Box 5980 Sunny Isle Shopping Center, Space 25 St. Croix, VIRGIN ISLANDS 00823 340/778-5900 (District Tel. #) 340/778-5111 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Diana L. DeGette (D-CO) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4431 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5657 (Washington Fax #) 600 Grant Street, Suite 202 Denver, CO 80203 303/844-4988 (District Tel. #) 303/844-4996 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/formdegette/zip_auth.htm Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP â?" American Samoa) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-8577 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8757 (Washington Fax #) P.O. Box, Drawer X Pago Pago, AMERICAN SAMOA 96799 684/633-1372 (District Tel. #) 684/633-2680 (District Fax #) faleomavaega@... Jeff Flake (R-AZ) 240 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2635 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-4386 (Washington Fax #) 1640 South Stapley, Suite 215 Mesa, AZ 85204 480/833-0092 (District Tel. #) 480/833-6314 (District Fax #) jeff.flake@... John Fleming (R-LA) 1023 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2777 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-8039 (Washington Fax #) 6425 Youree Drive, Suite 350 Shreveport, LA 71105 318/798-2254 (District Tel. #) 318/798-2063 (District Fax #) Southgate Plaza Shopping Center 1606 Fifth Street Leesville, LA 71446 337/238-0778 (District Tel. #) 337/238-0566 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/fleming/contactform.shtml Doc Hastings (R-WA) 1203 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-4704 202/225-5816 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-3251 (Washington Fax #) 2715 St. Andrews Loop, Suite D Pasco, WA 99301 509/543-9396 (District Tel. #) 509/545-1972 (District Fax #) 302 East Chestnut Street Yakima, WA 98901 509/452-3243 (District Tel. #) 509/452-3438 (District Fax #) http://hastings.house.gov/ContactForm.aspx Dale E. Kildee (D-MI) 2107 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3611 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-6393 (Washington Fax #) 432 N. Saginaw Street, Suite 410 Bay City, MI 48708 989/891-0990 (District Tel. #) 989/891-0994 (District Fax #) 515 N. Washington Avenue, Suite 401 Saginaw, MI 48607 989/755-8904 (District Tel. #) 989/755-8908 (District Fax #) dkildee@... Ronald James Kind (D-WI) 1406 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5506 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5739 (Washington Fax #) 205 Fifth Ave. South, Suite 400 La Crosse, WI 54601 608/782-2558 (District Tel. #) 608/782-4588 (District Fax #) 131 South Barstow Street, Suite 301 Eau Claire, WI 54701 715/831-9214 (District Tel. #) 715/831-9272 (District Fax #) ron.kind@... Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) 314 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5311 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-0254 (Washington Fax #) 102 Turpins Lane Centreville, MD 21617 443/262-9136 (District Tel. #) 443/262-9713 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/kratovil/contactform.shtml Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO) 437 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-4422 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-2638 (Washington Fax #) 415 Main Street Buena Vista, CO 81211 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd., Suite 110 Colorado Springs, CO 80920 719/520-0055 (District Tel. #) 719/520-0840 (District Fax #) http://lamborn.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) 237 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3006 202/225-4671 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9665 (Washington Fax #) 67/69 Church Street, Kilmer Square New Brunswick, NJ 08901 732/249-8892 (District Tel. #) 732/249-1335 (District Fax #) 504 Broadway Long Branch, NJ 07740 732/571-1140 (District Tel. #) 732/870-3890 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/pallone/contact.shtml Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico) 1218 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2615 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-2154 (Washington Fax #) 250 Calle Fortaleza Old San Juan, PUERTO RICO 00901 787/723-6333 (District Tel. #) 787/723-6333 (District Fax #) https://forms.house.gov/pierluisi/contactform. shtml Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV) 2307 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-3452 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-9061 (Washington Fax #) 601 Federal Street, Room 1005 Bluefield, WV 24701 304/325-6222 (District Tel. #) 304/325-0552 (District Fax #) 301 Prince Street Beckley, WV 25801 304/252-5000 (District Tel. #) 304/252-9803 (District Fax #) http://www.rahall.house.gov/?sectionid=9%c3%82%c2%a7io ntree=9 Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands) 423 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2646 (Washington Tel. #) https://forms.house.gov/sablan/contactform. shtml Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) 1330 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-5456 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-5822 (Washington Fax #) 33 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 603/641-9536 (District Tel. #) 603/641-9561 (District Fax #) 104 Washington Street Dover, NH 03820 603/743-4813 (District Tel. #) 603/743-5956 (District Fax #) http://forms.house.gov/sheaporter/ webform/issue_subscribe.htm Robert J. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39607	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Guam. Woman's from Guam. I missed that part. She chairs this subcommittee, and she is the sponsor of this bill. I'll have to read her biography; must be fascinating. She doesn't look like noone from Guam. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > WHY is somebody from Guam... Lord, I suppose they had to give her > something > to do. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > > > Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee > overseeing the Hearing on HR669. > > Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. > > Andrew > > -------------------------------------------------------- > KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 > HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG > > House Committee on Natural Resources > Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife > 187 Ford House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/226-0200 (Tel.) > 202/225-1542 (Fax) > > Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) > 427 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515-5301 > 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) > 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 > Hagatna, GUAM 96910 > 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) > 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm > > Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) > 1502 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) > Prince Kuhio Federal Building > 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â?" Room 4-104 > Honolulu, HI 96850 > 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) > 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) > neil.abercrombie@... > > Henry Brown (R-SC) > 103 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3176 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-3407 (Washington Fax #) > 1800 North Oak Street, Suite C > Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 > 843/445-6459 (District Tel. #) > 843/445-6418 (District Fax #) > 5900 Core Avenue, Suite 401 > North Charleston, SC 29406 > 843/747-4175 (District Tel. #) > 843/747-4711 (District Fax #) > http://brown.house.gov/Contact/index.html > > Lois Capps (D-CA) > 1110 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3601 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5632 (Washington Fax #) > 2675 N. Ventura Road, Suite 105 > Port Hueneme, CA 93041 > 805/985-6807 (District Tel. #) > 805/985-6875 (District Fax #) > 301 E Carrillo Street, Suite A > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > 805/730-1710 (District Tel. #) > 805/730-9153 (District Fax #) > http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml > > William Cassidy (R-LA) > 506 Cannon House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-3901 (District Tel. #) > 202/225-7313 (District Fax #) > 5555 Hilton Avenue, Suite 100 > Baton Rouge, LA 70808 > 225/929-7711 (District Tel. #) > 225/929-7688 (District Fax #) > http://cassidy.house.gov/contact/index.shtml > > Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) > 1032 Longworth House Office Building > Washington, DC 20515 > 202/225-7751 (Washington Tel. #) > 202/225-5629 (Washington Fax #) > 51 South University Ave., Suite 319 > Provo, UT 84601 > 801/851-2500 (District Tel. #) > 801/851-2509 (District Fax #) > https://forms.house.gov/chaffetz/contactform.shtml > > Donna M. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39608	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics

Oh. Then would they still be imported birds? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deenerz@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=TF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I agree with darlene and I breed parrots. Blue and Gold Macaws, Green Wings, Military Macaws, Green cheeked conures(several color mutations). and we used to breed cockatiels. I know of a breeder within 50 miles of me that has dozens of breeder pairs of African Greys. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 4:52 am Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Breeders are all over the U.S. and they are not longer wild caught and imported, haven’t been in years Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 8 avril 2009 16:38 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics Question: How are Amazon Gray parrots getting into the country? They're sold at Petsmart. Couldn't be if they cuoldn't be imported. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@... <mailto:secretserval%40yahoo.com> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fwd: HR 669 - Federal Legislation To Ban All Exotics I don't speak up very often in here, but I can share from a perspective as a parrot owner. The parrot trade and aviculture was affected in similar fashion=2 0almost 20 years ago with the Wild Bird Conservation Act, which reads very similarly to this HR669. The WBCA did not ban anyone from keeping parrots though, and it did not ban breeding as HR669 would do, but it Banned ALL Parrots that were not on the "Approved" List from being imported. What was on the approved list at first? Just cockatiels, budgies, lovebirds, and ringnecks. That was all. The promise was though, that after each species was examined, more species would be added to the approved list. After almost 20 years, that approved list has not grown AT ALL. With one exception..... Some Australian and ((only)) Australian Species became approved, including ones that ARE listed as endangered, which made no sense. Why were just Australian birds listed? Because Australia already bans exporting their birds. In the last 20 years there are dozens if not hundreds of parrot species that are still not endangered. Many are still listed as least concern. The list of Approved birds HAS NOT changed, as was promised. They don't even allow yet the importation of Captive bred birds. Many believed this law would be good and not be that bad. They were wrong. Although it seems like Parrot and parakeet type birds in America are still plentiful, which some very much are, many other species are down to only dozens or single pairs in the entire US. Some species are no longer present in America. Please hear the lesson we bird folks learned way too late. Tropical Fish really are the bedrock of the pet industry. Losing fish imports would close down the pet trade. And this Bill goes even further than just banning imports. PLEASE READ IT! It also bands ANY and ALL further breeding of anything not on the approved list. It would become a criminal offense to breed them. It would not just ban imports into the country, it was also ban ALL Sales and transportation across State line. The original Sponsor of this bill comes from Guam, where Invasive species have been devastating. However, the gigantic push of support behind this Bill is entirely coming from the Animal Rights side. The push is to end entirely the trade in Non-domestic pets. The poster Child for this Bill is the Python, making it look like the target for this bill is only pythons. That's not the case. And the scare tactics with the pythons are just that, scare tactics. Pythons cannot pose an invasive problem outside of Florida. This was proven. But the backers of this Bill are using phony studies. And they're also not saying that this Bill bans EVERYTHING, not just snakes. No matter what anyone says about this bill, in that it's NOT going to be that bad. Again, please hear a bird enthusiast. IT'LL BE THE WORST! Spread the word. Contact your Congressperson. Join groups like NAIA and PIJAC and others to unite with other animal groups against this Bill. We NEED to show HUGE numbers AND a UNITED force. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

I didn't say "nice Angel's", I said "nice mated pair of Angelfish tank"... meaning "nice tank for a mated pair of angelfish" which means pretty much the mated pair of Angelfish and not much else... although I'm sure a few other fish might be OK until the Angelfish lay eggs and then things could get testy. A dwarf pleco would probably be OK and since they are armored and have spines, they would fare better than many other fish. Here's what Mongabay says... scroll down 1/2 way for the more common type of angelfish, P. scalare, although many surmise that even what is sold as P. scalare may be hybrids of other species of angelfish. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed I have a not so nice mated pair of Angels and they rule my 125 gallon tank ;) Where do you get these so called "nice Angel's" LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > At least it's a 75G and not just a 70G. That's not the best kind of > tank for goldfish at all... although it does have the same surface > area as a 55G (48" x 12" foot print). Since you have three goldfish, > you at least have 25G per goldfish in water volume which is kind of > the bare minimum for fancies but as you note, the tank dimensions > aren't sufficient for long-bodied goldfish. Really, long-bodied > goldfish should be in a pond unless one has a really BIG & LONG tank. > A common goldfish should grow to over 18" long with a huge body mass. > > If you ever change fish types, your tank would make a nice mated pair > of Angelfish tank. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > 24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies > don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were > the interior measurements, but they're not. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a > tank and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale > sign. And it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. > Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. > Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G > tank becomes a 65G tank at retail. > > What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and > do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My > "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a > mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. > I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. > I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something > off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think > I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39610	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC

Dora... welcome to 2009... and plain paper printers. ;-) Of course, I use eFax and all of my faxes come in as digital files... so no paper at all for me. Does that make me Green? EWWWWW... I have to go now... and chop down a tree! I'll be right back. LOL OK. I'm back now. Are keyboards safe from sawdust? Dang, that stuff gets every where! LOL I was testifying in Court the other day and made a comment in Court about how I can't believe the Court doesn't allow for digital exhibits that could be shown on a monitor instead of printing out all of the crap they print out for Court cases... not to mention all the paper that Congress wastes... even this so-called Natural Resources Committee. Shakespeare needs to come back from the dead and proclaim, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the politicians!" I think I'll carry that sign at the next tea party. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC Faxes work the very best? I thought mailed letters did - thought faxed letters just collect on flimsy paper around the fax machine. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "secretserval" <secretserval@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 COMMITTEE MEMBERS- fwd from PIJAC > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=SO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below is a list of all the Representatives who are on the Committee overseeing the Hearing on HR669. Faxes work the very best, followed by phone calls, and emails. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------- KEEP CHECKING PIJAC'S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669 HTTP://WWW.PIJAC.ORG House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife 187 Ford House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/226-0200 (Tel.) 202/225-1542 (Fax) Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam) 427 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-5301 202/225-1188 (Washington Tel. #) 202/226-0341 (Washington Fax #) 120 Father Duenas Ave., Suite 107 Hagatna, GUAM 96910 671/477-4272 (District Tel. #) 671/477-2587 (District Fax #) http://www.house.gov/bordallo/IMA/issue.htm Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) 1502 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202/225-2726 (Washington Tel. #) 202/225-4580 (Washington Fax #) Prince Kuhio Federal Building 300 Ala Moana Blvd. â?" Room 4-104 Honolulu, HI 96850 808/541-2570 (District Tel. #) 808/533-0133 (District Fax #) neil.abercrombie@... 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39611	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

LOL, I was teasing Lenny ;) I know that they are semi aggressive, but your wording made them sound like a nice happy pair of Angel's ;) hehe Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I didn't say "nice Angel's", I said "nice mated pair of Angelfish tank"... > meaning "nice tank for a mated pair of angelfish" which means pretty much > the mated pair of Angelfish and not much else... although I'm sure a few > other fish might be OK until the Angelfish lay eggs and then things could > get testy. A dwarf pleco would probably be OK and since they are armored > and have spines, they would fare better than many other fish. > > Here's what Mongabay says... scroll down 1/2 way for the more common > type of > angelfish, P. scalare, although many surmise that even what is sold as P. > scalare may be hybrids of other species of angelfish. > http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > I have a not so nice mated pair of Angels and they rule my 125 gallon tank > ;) Where do you get these so called "nice Angel's" LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > At least it's a 75G and not just a 70G. That's not the best kind of > > tank for goldfish at all... although it does have the same surface > > area as a 55G (48" x 12" foot print). Since you have three goldfish, > > you at least have 25G per goldfish in water volume which is kind of > > the bare minimum for fancies but as you note, the tank dimensions > > aren't sufficient for long-bodied goldfish. Really, long-bodied > > goldfish should be in a pond unless one has a really BIG & LONG tank. > > A common goldfish should grow to over 18" long with a huge body mass. > > > > If you ever change fish types, your tank would make a nice mated pair > > of Angelfish tank. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:16 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > > > 24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies > > don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were > > the interior measurements, but they're not. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a > > tank and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale > > sign. And it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = > U.S. > > Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. > > Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G > > tank becomes a 65G tank at retail. > > > > What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and > > do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My > > "90G" > > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a > > mistake on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. > > I sent of an email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. > > I'm totally at his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something > > off Craig's List. At least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think > > I'm more miffed with myself than with the seller. > > > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39612	From: gail	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

I have bought set ups off Craigslist without problems, I have actually talked people down and gotten some good deals. You win some, you lose some. I guess the amount of disgruntled-ness would depend on the $$ amount you spent.   -gail --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> wrote: From: Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:24 PM It was smaller than I wanted, but it had the footprint I had planned for, only it could have been taller or wider/longer and still fit. So this is a bad thing. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> So? Now I’m confused? Was this a good thing or bad? The tank was bigger than you hoped for or smaller that you imagined? <grin> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> wrote: > He actually sent me the correct measurements and I know how to > calculate volume. I used the measurements to decide where the tank would > fit and didn't even think about doing the calcs until the tank was almost > half full and it shouldn't have been. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > In case your not aware Length X width X height divided by 231 > will give you gallon capacity. And on crags list, never trust the > stated measurements. Take a tape and calculator and > do your own at time of sale BEFORE money changes hands > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Menagerie_Manager <menagerie_manager@ prodigy.net> > wrote: > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and do > your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at > his > mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At > least > with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with myself than > with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39613	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat to watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's repeatedly still try to eat it, even though it's been there for a couple weeks now ;). It's really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I wonder if it likes the lighting better than in the other tanks. The two 10 gallon tanks don't seem to be doing much (the duckweed that is), maybe the nutrients aren't as high for it to prosper. I figure if it overtakes my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs and dump it in the 125 gallon tank and see how much gets eaten ;). Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting oddly. He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck inside, but I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to be as eager to eat, but he's still eating... Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39614	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: OT - Fixed My IE8 Problem

At least Upromise pays to spy on me. hehehe DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> LOL.. now you're gonna start up the debate about what is adware/spyware and what isn't. -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager I found out why it was locking up. It's not compatible with Upromise's TurboSaver. Upromise will have that problem fixed in a couple of weeks. Please let's not start the debate again over browsers and PC vs Mac. I just thought I'd post this in case anyone else is having trouble after updating to IE8.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39615	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

How is the surface agitation affecting the duckweed growth in the various tanks... not overall filtration but surface agitation? Certainly the more nutrients and better lighting will help especially with fast growing floating plants like duckweed. As to your Severum. This could be a number of things so keep an eye out and let us know more symptoms. A few things that you could research more... of the top of my head. It could be due to low O2 level in the tank so the bigger fish have to pump more water across their gills. On bigger fish, checking their gills for proper coloration is easier than on small fish. This low O2 level is common in goldfish tanks when there is not enough surface area to allow for proper gas exchange at the surface (mainly ingasing of O2) ... or not enough plants providing O2 in the water but if your Severum is in your 125G, low O2 levels is probably not the problem. Other reasons, if it's not O2 levels is the possibility of gill flukes which will lessen the infested fishes (<<-I struggled with the proper use of fish or fishes here.. lol) ability to absorb O2 from the water. Other health issues could also cause the lower food intake. Is the fish being over-all more sluggish, resting on the bottom, hiding behind plants/decorations more than usual? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat to watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's repeatedly still try to eat it, even though it's been there for a couple weeks now ;). It's really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I wonder if it likes the lighting better than in the other tanks. The two 10 gallon tanks don't seem to be doing much (the duckweed that is), maybe the nutrients aren't as high for it to prosper. I figure if it overtakes my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs and dump it in the 125 gallon tank and see how much gets eaten ;). Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting oddly. He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck inside, but I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to be as eager to eat, but he's still eating... Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39616	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

Yes, he is not as active as normal, and hides more than normal as well. He is in the 125 gallon so the O2 should not be an issue as that tank is way over filtered. He doesn't rest on the bottom of the tank, but he's hiding more. As to the surface agitation, I'm not sure how much aggitation there is compared to the 55, the 55 gallon has a 10 gallon rated HOB filter on it (for the quarantine tank) and the rena filstar xp4. I have the rena turned down a quarter of the way so it doesn't blow full force, but I have it about 4 inches below the surface of the water (the outtake). The duckweed loves this tank compared to the two 10 gallons, and they have just regular HOB filters, and I try to keep the tanks full so there's less agitaion from the HOB outflow. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > How is the surface agitation affecting the duckweed growth in the various > tanks... not overall filtration but surface agitation? Certainly the more > nutrients and better lighting will help especially with fast growing > floating plants like duckweed. > > As to your Severum. This could be a number of things so keep an eye > out and > let us know more symptoms. A few things that you could research more... of > the top of my head. It could be due to low O2 level in the tank so the > bigger fish have to pump more water across their gills. On bigger fish, > checking their gills for proper coloration is easier than on small fish. > This low O2 level is common in goldfish tanks when there is not enough > surface area to allow for proper gas exchange at the surface (mainly > ingasing of O2) ... or not enough plants providing O2 in the water but if > your Severum is in your 125G, low O2 levels is probably not the problem. > Other reasons, if it's not O2 levels is the possibility of gill flukes > which > will lessen the infested fishes (<<-I struggled with the proper use of > fish > or fishes here.. lol) ability to absorb O2 from the water. Other health > issues could also cause the lower food intake. Is the fish being over-all > more sluggish, resting on the bottom, hiding behind plants/decorations > more > than usual? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat to > watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's repeatedly still > try to eat it, even though it's been there for a couple weeks now ;). It's > really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I wonder if it likes the lighting > better than in the other tanks. The two 10 gallon tanks don't seem to be > doing much (the duckweed that is), maybe the nutrients aren't as high > for it > to prosper. I figure if it overtakes my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs > and dump it in the 125 gallon tank and see how much gets eaten ;). > > Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting oddly. > He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck > inside, but > I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to be as eager to eat, > but he's still eating... > Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39617	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

I use the hose, when necessary, on both a 29 and a 20 long! Gail the purpose here is to get the gravel out with speed and ease. As for cost? About the same. I use this idea many years ago with tanks all having under gravel filters and can tell you now that I had some tanks up over ten years without a tear-down! You are constantly re-growing your good bacteria by only taking a small amount 20%, each time so you never have cycling issues. Also any emergencies that might ever come up? You can clear a tank in 5 minutes! The only thing that would hamper your speed is the need for more empty containers! Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > From: gail <clandestine662002@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 5:58 PM > Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that > you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using > my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. > lol > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do > It! > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > > > > > > > > > Good Morning Everyone! > ﾃつ� > Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. > I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill > does it. > ﾃつ� > First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it > BUT > for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I > do it. > ﾃつ� > You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon > buckets. > Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy > a 5 foot piece of > flex filter hose at 1 ﾃつｽ ﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ電iameter. > Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not > want, if not go to a > dollar store and buy one.ﾃつ� Make sure it is less the > size of your gravel or the gravel > will fall through it. > ﾃつ� > After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it > just touches the top of the other end. > Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, > keep the opposite end level, drop it > quickly into one of the buckets and start the > siphon.ﾃつ� Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and > vacuum the gravel out. > ﾃつ� > Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the > bacteria growing in the rest of the > tank.ﾃつ� Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the > colander and give it a good hosing.ﾃつ�ﾃつ� Drain > and replace in the tank.ﾃつ� If you temper the rinsing > water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium > heater either. > I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections > as I am working my way across the tanks > bottom.ﾃつ� Doing your regular 25% > PWCﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢s, by months end you will have gotten > the entire bottom > clean without throwing the tank into another cycle. > ﾃつ� > Bill > ﾃつ� > ﾃつ� > ﾃつ� > ﾃつ� > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.><((((ｺ>..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ><((((ｺ> > ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. , > .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..><((((ｺ> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <ｺ((((><.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ..ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ<ｺ((((><ｸ.ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸ. > , .ｷｴｯ`ｷ..<ｺ((((><ｷｴｯ`ｷ.ｸｸ. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39618	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Miffed

Hi Amber I must comment here about Angel fish, like the Discus are all from the Cichlid family. That means that with only a few exceptions, they are carnivorous, they are also hunters. I have seen beautiful and graceful full-grown Discus take down full grown guppies without any problem at all, and then have a smile on their faces after they do it! To them, its like eating a “Whopper” a Burger King. Bill --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:47 PM I have a not so nice mated pair of Angels and they rule my 125 gallon tank ;) Where do you get these so called "nice Angel's" LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > At least it's a 75G and not just a 70G. That's not the best kind of tank > for goldfish at all... although it does have the same surface area as > a 55G > (48" x 12" foot print). Since you have three goldfish, you at least have > 25G per goldfish in water volume which is kind of the bare minimum for > fancies but as you note, the tank dimensions aren't sufficient for > long-bodied goldfish. Really, long-bodied goldfish should be in a pond > unless one has a really BIG & LONG tank. A common goldfish should grow to > over 18" long with a huge body mass. > > If you ever change fish types, your tank would make a nice mated pair of > Angelfish tank. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:16 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Miffed > > 24"x24"x30"H Not what I would want for a comet, but these fancies > don't do a lot of zipping around. That comes to 74.81G, if those were the > interior measurements, but they're not. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Same with a retailer. A PetsMart, PetCo or LFS could easily set up a tank > and stand and accidentally call it an incorrect size on the sale sign. And > it's easy enough to figure out U.S. gallons. L x W x H / 231 = U.S. > Gallons. For example, my 65G is 48" x 18" x 17" / 231 = 63.6 Gallons. > Almost all tanks sellers round off to the next 5G mark so my 63.6G tank > becomes a 65G tank at retail. > > What are the dimensions of your 90G... ooops.. I meant 70G tank? ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Menagerie_Manager > > People, when you get a tank off Craig's List, bring a tape measure and > do your own calculations to make sure it's the size you were told. My > "90G" > tank only holds a little over 70G. I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake > on the part of the seller. He didn't strike me as a swindler. I sent of an > email to see if he's willing to give me a partial refund. I'm totally at > his mercy. There's no recourse when you buy something off Craig's List. At > least with eBay you can leave feedback. I think I'm more miffed with > myself > than with the seller. > > Gullible DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39619	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Chin-Chin Fish

Anyone here knows the adult size of the Chin-Chin fish? Is this Oreochromis niloticus? Can they be kept in an aquarium?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39620	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Huh? Well, he's making way too much out of it. I have a plain ol' gravel cleaner whatever you call it - with the bigger part you put in the gravel and the little thing that prevents fish from being sucked into the bucket. You fisrt submerge the entire tube in the water, then you put the wide end in the gravel and the other end in the bucket. You move the tube around to clean the gravel. You can fill as many buckets as you want to. For a 20 gallon tank that would be 1 to 3 3 gallon buckets. Then have clean water ready to put back. I got a battery operated vacuum, but it just doesn't work anything like as well. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.  Bill     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39621	From: Kelly	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Another problem/question

Red Eye I have plenty of fun while cleaning my tank – mostly trying to avoid being bitten by one of the clown fish – I usually have one hand on the scraper and another with a net to fend the clown fish off – any task in my tank that requires both my hands I have to ask hubby to keep clown fish watch with the net for me – the amount of time's I've had rocks in my hands to move around and the bastard has bitten me!! Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 23 April 2009 22:28 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Kelly I have a DIY system that helps me drain water out of the house. Before I remove the amount of water I want to change I use a separate ½” dia. hose that I attached to a credit card in my plastic tank and a 3m pad for the glass tank. That way it works like a vacuum. I do the glass first & then stir up the rest of the tank so a lot of it goes bye bye & does not contribute to the load in the filter. There are many ways of doing things & different things work better for some than others. I am a lazy guy, meaning I want to do the least amount of work – that is where the brain comes in handy. When I come up with something new I wonder what took me so long. Don’t be afraid to experiment, for me it’s part of the fun. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Red-eye I do remove it – I scrape a small section then have a scoopy with the net Kelly xxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: 23 April 2009 18:18 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question Kelly, what you do not get out will re-establish in your tank.You do not want to move it but rather remove it ASAP. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question When you scrape the algae off the glass do you let it float around and settle or scoop it all up with a net? Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: 23 April 2009 02:01 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Another problem/question I have noticed a new problem and need advice. When I do my 25% water change, I usually vacuum the gravel. I use the battery operated gravel cleaner but I don't feel that is the problem. What I have noticed is that when I move the substrate, either with the vacuum, or this last time just using a hand held algea cleaner on the glass, the next day or so my catfish get sick and die. I initially thought it was due to the water change, but I am careful with the correct temp and dechlor. Actually it seems to be when the gravel is disturbed I did read that thee can be gas pockets in the gravel. Is this correct? Now I am afraid if I clean the substrate, I'll lose another catfish. It never affects any of my other fish except the catfish. Help, please!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39622	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

We talked about this recently since Chin-chin's are one of the Spa Fish being used to eat dead skin off peoples feet. If you do a search of the messages for "chin-chin", you'll find the recent thread. I can't do the search myself right now or I would be glad to give you the exact Message number. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Javison Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Chin-Chin Fish Anyone here knows the adult size of the Chin-Chin fish? Is this Oreochromis niloticus? Can they be kept in an aquarium?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39623	From: bill1433	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Hi Dora,   It gets better.  Thats the fun part coming up.  I run a garden hose right through the house after first tempering the water to tank temperature, I just fill them up!   Bill --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 11:21 AM Huh?   Well, he's making way too much out of it.   I have a plain ol' gravel cleaner whatever you call it - with the bigger part you put in the gravel and the little thing that prevents fish from being sucked into the bucket. You fisrt submerge the entire tube in the water, then you put the wide end in the gravel and the other end in the bucket.   You move the tube around to clean the gravel.  You can fill as many buckets as you want to.   For a 20 gallon tank that would be 1 to 3 3 gallon buckets.    Then have clean water ready to put back. I got a battery operated vacuum, but it just doesn't work anything like as well. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail" <clandestine662002@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.  Bill     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39624	From: greychildren	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: hi ya guys

Updated my tank pictures..sorry for the cloudiness just change HOB . enjoy and please do comment on the pics.. thank you all

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39625	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

I replied to this but it seems that my reply got lost in space ;) These get over a foot long from what I've read, and they're called Tilapia (type of cichlid) but I never found out precisely which tilapia it is ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > We talked about this recently since Chin-chin's are one of the Spa Fish > being used to eat dead skin off peoples feet. If you do a search of the > messages for "chin-chin", you'll find the recent thread. I can't do the > search myself right now or I would be glad to give you the exact Message > number. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Edgar Javison > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Chin-Chin Fish > > Anyone here knows the adult size of the Chin-Chin fish? Is this > Oreochromis > niloticus? Can they be kept in an aquarium? > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39626	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Bleeding Heart Tetra

I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS only had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at least 3 of them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the top fin is shorter). One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would assume), and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the time. They breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry about the largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase any of the other fish, only the other tetras. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39627	From: biG poppa	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

actually they use mosquito fish for the chin chin thing --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Chin-Chin Fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:50 PM I replied to this but it seems that my reply got lost in space ;) These get over a foot long from what I've read, and they're called Tilapia (type of cichlid) but I never found out precisely which tilapia it is ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > We talked about this recently since Chin-chin's are one of the Spa Fish > being used to eat dead skin off peoples feet. If you do a search of the > messages for "chin-chin", you'll find the recent thread. I can't do the > search myself right now or I would be glad to give you the exact Message > number. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Edgar Javison > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:00 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Chin-Chin Fish > > Anyone here knows the adult size of the Chin-Chin fish? Is this > Oreochromis > niloticus? Can they be kept in an aquarium? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39628	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

so i messed up, it's green beard algae, not hair algae, which should get taken care of by a pleco, but i think i'm going to completely redo that tank, move my some of my rams into my tetra tank, and sell the rest, I would like to sell the bio cube and get a larger tank but i think it's going to be hard to find a buyer, so i'm going to convert it to a second african cichlid tank for now, i should be able to pull it off, just need to add some calcite based rocks and do a good sized water change, that should adjust the water parameters to what african's need In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's growing on everything in the tank including the live plants >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39629	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at least 2 females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase around, they don't fight as much but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or above ASAP. There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS only had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at least 3 of them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the top fin is shorter). One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would assume), and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the time. They breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry about the largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase any of the other fish, only the other tetras. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39630	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

I'm not really interested in the "doctor/spa fish", but on the Chin-chin fish itself. I understand it is also used in spas in the same way that the Garra rufa (doctor fish) is used. An internet search I've done shows a few information about the chin-chin fish, one of which is that it is the Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), which I want to confirm. I also would like to know if it can be kept in an aquarium and, if so, how big a tank is the minimum for this fish, much as I can't find any information on its adult size.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39631	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

Where did you find that the Chin-Chin is the Oreochromis niloticus. I'm just curious as none of the reliable sources that I commonly use had the common name of chin-chin listed in their databases.... places like Fishbase.org, Mongabay.com, any of the good Cichlid forums, etc. Here is the fishbase profile on the O. niloticus http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=2 You'll see it reaches 60cm (close to 24").... it's practically a TANK BUSTER if you consider the 8X guideline so that faster swimming fish have a tank at least 8 times their length so you're looking at a 16' tank... or at least a 12' tank for the mimimum 6X guideline for slower swimming fish. While on the Fishbase profile, if you go down into the More Info section, each of the blue words/phrases is a link to more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Javison Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Chin-Chin Fish I'm not really interested in the "doctor/spa fish", but on the Chin-chin fish itself. I understand it is also used in spas in the same way that the Garra rufa (doctor fish) is used. An internet search I've done shows a few information about the chin-chin fish, one of which is that it is the Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), which I want to confirm. I also would like to know if it can be kept in an aquarium and, if so, how big a tank is the minimum for this fish, much as I can't find any information on its adult size.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39632	From: Edgar Javison	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

I think it must have been one of the fish forum sites, someone suggested that it might be the Oreochromis niloticus. I looked at the pictures and the fish in the pictures look exactly like the ones I saw labelled at the LFS as "doctor fish". Edgar Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough ________________________________ From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:14:23 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Chin-Chin Fish Where did you find that the Chin-Chin is the Oreochromis niloticus. I'm just curious as none of the reliable sources that I commonly use had the common name of chin-chin listed in their databases... . places like Fishbase.org, Mongabay.com, any of the good Cichlid forums, etc. Here is the fishbase profile on the O. niloticus http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?id=2 You'll see it reaches 60cm (close to 24").... it's practically a TANK BUSTER if you consider the 8X guideline so that faster swimming fish have a tank at least 8 times their length so you're looking at a 16' tank... or at least a 12' tank for the mimimum 6X guideline for slower swimming fish. While on the Fishbase profile, if you go down into the More Info section, each of the blue words/phrases is a link to more info. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Edgar Javison Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:50 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Chin-Chin Fish I'm not really interested in the "doctor/spa fish", but on the Chin-chin fish itself. I understand it is also used in spas in the same way that the Garra rufa (doctor fish) is used. An internet search I've done shows a few information about the chin-chin fish, one of which is that it is the Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), which I want to confirm. I also would like to know if it can be kept in an aquarium and, if so, how big a tank is the minimum for this fish, much as I can't find any information on its adult size. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39633	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

Do you mean Black beard algae? If so, that is very difficult to get rid of, but Guppy's, Platy's and a few other fish will eat it, but only if you don't feed them a lot and then they look for stuff to graze on in the tank. Amber Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > so i messed up, it's green beard algae, not hair algae, which should > get taken care of by a pleco, but i think i'm going to completely redo > that tank, move my some of my rams into my tetra tank, and sell the > rest, I would like to sell the bio cube and get a larger tank but i > think it's going to be hard to find a buyer, so i'm going to convert > it to a second african cichlid tank for now, i should be able to pull > it off, just need to add some calcite based rocks and do a good sized > water change, that should adjust the water parameters to what > african's need > > In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@...> wrote: > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had > a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39634	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner wants to order at the time. Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't find any elsewhere. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a minimum > sized > school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling fish. Make the school > either all females or all males or at least 2 females for each male. If > each male has a couple of babes to chase around, they don't fight as much > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or they > might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or above ASAP. > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but > not the > same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS only > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at least 3 of > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful at > least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is much > smaller > and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the top fin is shorter). > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would assume), > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > have read > that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already injured before I > brought them home, I would assume they are healed over as their jaw's > do not > bother them, both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the time. They > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could have > caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry about the > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > other fish > are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase any of the other > fish, only the other tetras. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39635	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

Everywhere I've seen they are Tilapia (cichlids), they are often misnamed Chin-Chin's in China apparently. Darn people and making up names ;) I couldn't find any more information than that. My LFS also has them in stock right now (Tilapia), they bought them from someone selling them as "Doctor fish" only, and I had to do some research to find out what they were based on their picture. Amber Edgar Javison wrote: > > > I think it must have been one of the fish forum sites, someone > suggested that it might be the Oreochromis niloticus. I looked at the > pictures and the fish in the pictures look exactly like the ones I saw > labelled at the LFS as "doctor fish". > > Edgar > > Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That's why it's a comfort > to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough > > ________________________________ > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:14:23 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Chin-Chin Fish > > Where did you find that the Chin-Chin is the Oreochromis niloticus. I'm > just curious as none of the reliable sources that I commonly use had the > common name of chin-chin listed in their databases... . places like > Fishbase.org, Mongabay.com, any of the good Cichlid forums, etc. > > Here is the fishbase profile on the O. niloticus > http://www.fishbase .org/summary/ SpeciesSummary. php?id=2 > > You'll see it reaches 60cm (close to 24").... it's practically a TANK > BUSTER > if you consider the 8X guideline so that faster swimming fish have a > tank at > least 8 times their length so you're looking at a 16' tank... or at > least a > 12' tank for the mimimum 6X guideline for slower swimming fish. > > While on the Fishbase profile, if you go down into the More Info section, > each of the blue words/phrases is a link to more info. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of Edgar Javison > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Chin-Chin Fish > > I'm not really interested in the "doctor/spa fish", but on the Chin-chin > fish itself. I understand it is also used in spas in the same way that the > Garra rufa (doctor fish) is used. An internet search I've done shows a few > information about the chin-chin fish, one of which is that it is the > Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), which I want to confirm. > > I also would like to know if it can be kept in an aquarium and, if so, how > big a tank is the minimum for this fish, much as I can't find any > information on its adult size. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39636	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to request all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't special > order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner wants to order > at the time. > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > find any elsewhere. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a minimum > > sized > > school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling fish. Make the school > > either all females or all males or at least 2 females for each male. If > > each male has a couple of babes to chase around, they don't fight as > much > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or they > > might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or above ASAP. > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but > > not the > > same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS > only > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > least 3 of > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful at > > least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is much > > smaller > > and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the top fin is > shorter). > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > assume), > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > have read > > that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already injured before I > > brought them home, I would assume they are healed over as their jaw's > > do not > > bother them, both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the > time. They > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could have > > caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry > about the > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > other fish > > are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase any of the other > > fish, only the other tetras. > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39637	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so you'll have 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 in total, so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. You may even get some breeding going on. And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some other stuff too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to request all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner wants > to order at the time. > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > find any elsewhere. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at least 2 > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase > > around, they don't fight as > much > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or above ASAP. > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS > only > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > least 3 of > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the > > top fin is > shorter). > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > assume), > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their > > mouth's stuck open all the > time. They > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry > about the > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39638	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately they say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit and see if they will give more females than males at least ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so you'll have > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 in > total, > so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. You may > even get some breeding going on. > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some other stuff > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to request > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner wants > > to order at the time. > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > > find any elsewhere. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling > > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at least 2 > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase > > > around, they don't fight as > > much > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or > > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or above > ASAP. > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS > > only > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > > least 3 of > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is > > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the > > > top fin is > > shorter). > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > > assume), > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already > > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed > > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their > > > mouth's stuck open all the > > time. They > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could > > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry > > about the > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase > > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39639	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately they > say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit and see > if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > you'll have > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 in > > total, > > so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. > You may > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some other > stuff > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > request > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > > > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > > > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner wants > > > to order at the time. > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > > > find any elsewhere. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling > > > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at least 2 > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase > > > > around, they don't fight as > > > much > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or > > > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or > above > > ASAP. > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type aggression but > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but the LFS > > > only > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > > > least 3 of > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more colorful > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is > > > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the > > > > top fin is > > > shorter). > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > > > assume), > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already > > > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed > > > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their > > > > mouth's stuck open all the > > > time. They > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could > > > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I worry > > > about the > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase > > > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39640	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

Okay I can get a group of females to even out my school. They also have flameback bleeding hearts, which look to me to just be a wild version of bleeding hearts. Do you think they could interbreed? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream > loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately they > > say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit and see > > if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > > you'll have > > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 in > > > total, > > > so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. > > You may > > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some other > > stuff > > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > > request > > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > > > > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > > > > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner > wants > > > > to order at the time. > > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > > > > find any elsewhere. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling > > > > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at > least 2 > > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase > > > > > around, they don't fight as > > > > much > > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or > > > > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or > > above > > > ASAP. > > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type > aggression but > > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but > the LFS > > > > only > > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > > > > least 3 of > > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more > colorful > > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is > > > > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the > > > > > top fin is > > > > shorter). > > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > > > > assume), > > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > > > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already > > > > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed > > > > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their > > > > > mouth's stuck open all the > > > > time. They > > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could > > > > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I > worry > > > > about the > > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > > > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase > > > > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39641	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

Here's a good Greater Pittsburgh Aquarium Society article on Bleeding Heart Tetras, Old & New. http://articles.gpasi.org/hyphessobrycon_socolofi.html It seems to be a common name for a few different species... all from the Hyphessobrycon genus... so yes, they can probably cross-breed but it's not something that you would want to do. There's enough hybridization going on, IMO. And of course, here's the Mongabay profile, which I think you already mentioned. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Hyphessobrycon_erythrostigma.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra Okay I can get a group of females to even out my school. They also have flameback bleeding hearts, which look to me to just be a wild version of bleeding hearts. Do you think they could interbreed? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream > loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately > > they say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit > > and see if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > > you'll have > > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 > > > in total, so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum > > > sized school. > > You may > > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some > > > other > > stuff > > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > > request > > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently > > > > well stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they > > > > don't special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the > > > > owner > wants > > > > to order at the time. > > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I > > > > can't find any elsewhere. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with > > > > > schooling fish. Make the school either all females or all > > > > > males or at > least 2 > > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to > > > > > chase around, they don't fight as > > > > much > > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either > > > > > fight or they might terrorize the female. Try to get your > > > > > school at 6 or > > above > > > ASAP. > > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type > aggression but > > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but > the LFS > > > > only > > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think > > > > > at > > > > least 3 of > > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more > colorful > > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th > > > > > one is much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in > > > > > color and the top fin is > > > > shorter). > > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I > > > > > would > > > > assume), > > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when > > > > > feeding. I have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the > > > > > fish were already injured before I brought them home, I would > > > > > assume they are healed over as their jaw's do not bother them, > > > > > both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the > > > > time. They > > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one > > > > > could have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? > > > > > Should I > worry > > > > about the > > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all > > > > > the other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra > > > > > doesn't chase any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39642	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

I didn't want to get them if they would interbreed, I wanted to keep them pure, just in case something good happens ;) LOL. I have a nice big healthy male that's for sure, the other 2 are okay looking ;) I'm assuming the jaw issues shouldn't interfere with breeding if it ever happens. Thanks for the links, I had already seen the mongabay profile. Also Bill if you're reading, this same seller has both kinds of rams ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Here's a good Greater Pittsburgh Aquarium Society article on Bleeding > Heart > Tetras, Old & New. > http://articles.gpasi.org/hyphessobrycon_socolofi.html > <http://articles.gpasi.org/hyphessobrycon_socolofi.html> > > It seems to be a common name for a few different species... all from the > Hyphessobrycon genus... so yes, they can probably cross-breed but it's not > something that you would want to do. There's enough hybridization > going on, > IMO. > > And of course, here's the Mongabay profile, which I think you already > mentioned. > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Hyphessobrycon_erythrostigma.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Hyphessobrycon_erythrostigma.html> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > Okay I can get a group of females to even out my school. They also have > flameback bleeding hearts, which look to me to just be a wild version of > bleeding hearts. Do you think they could interbreed? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream > > loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately > > > they say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit > > > and see if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > > > you'll have > > > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 > > > > in total, so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum > > > > sized school. > > > You may > > > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some > > > > other > > > stuff > > > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > > > request > > > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently > > > > > well stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they > > > > > don't special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the > > > > > owner > > wants > > > > > to order at the time. > > > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I > > > > > can't find any elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with > > > > > > schooling fish. Make the school either all females or all > > > > > > males or at > > least 2 > > > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to > > > > > > chase around, they don't fight as > > > > > much > > > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either > > > > > > fight or they might terrorize the female. Try to get your > > > > > > school at 6 or > > > above > > > > ASAP. > > > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type > > aggression but > > > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized > school. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but > > the LFS > > > > > only > > > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think > > > > > > at > > > > > least 3 of > > > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more > > colorful > > > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th > > > > > > one is much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in > > > > > > color and the top fin is > > > > > shorter). > > > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I > > > > > > would > > > > > assume), > > > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when > > > > > > feeding. I have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the > > > > > > fish were already injured before I brought them home, I would > > > > > > assume they are healed over as their jaw's do not bother them, > > > > > > both of them have their mouth's stuck open all the > > > > > time. They > > > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one > > > > > > could have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? > > > > > > Should I > > worry > > > > > about the > > > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all > > > > > > the other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra > > > > > > doesn't chase any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39643	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: About Oreochromis niloticus was chin chin

_Click here: FAO Fisheries & Aquaculture - Species fact sheets placeholder_ (http://www.fao.org/fishery/species/3217) Nothing about a chin chin The only thing I can say is yummy.. Joey **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39644	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Glofish

If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 to 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39645	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

Hi, I forgot to put a website that cited the info I got. Garra rufa occurs in the river basins of the Northern and Central Middle East, mainly in Turkey , Syria, Iraq and Iran. Here's the website: http://garrarufa-indonesia.com/web

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39646	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

I did a search on the Chin chin and came up with the Garra rufa and Cyprinion macrostomus, The Garra rufus is native to Turkey and the Middle east and is used in the spring spas there. They also have some pictures of the Garra Rufus posted. They do mention the Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), as another "doctor" fish.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39647	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Chin-Chin Fish

Not surprising that many such web sites neglect including the complete information on a subject, but a species of Tilapia is also another "doctor" fish -- even though it may not necessarily be called a "Chin Chin" fish. This (by this narrow definition -- of "Chin Chin") may be why this web site did not include the Tilapia. Whichever group of people came up with the term "Chin Chin" may not consider the Tilapia as being one of them. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Rodrigues Gilbert <grodhi96792@...> wrote: > > > I did a search on the Chin chin and came up with the Garra rufa and Cyprinion macrostomus, The Garra rufus is native to Turkey and the Middle east and is used in the spring spas there. They also have some pictures of the Garra Rufus posted. They do mention the Oreochromis niloticus (or Nile tilapia), as another "doctor" fish. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39648	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

I don't think they pair up for life in the same sense as some other non-schooling fish. They may mate for life but they still like to be in a school whereas some other fish will pair up and then they prefer to be separate and have their own area... like your "nice" pair of angelfish. ;-) I know many sites/forums repeat the "pair up for life" comment and a Google search about this shows it but three reputable profile sites do not mention this in their summary sections on breeding or social behavior. Although the Mongabay profile mentions that they do form pairs and "will not often spawn with different partners" but doesn't say "pair for life"... but in either case, they are still a schooling fish even if they do form a mated pair. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html "Social behavior: An active schooling species which can be kept in almost any community tank. Do not combine the Zebra Danio with species that are frightened with constant movement. The Zebra Danio forms pairs, and will often not spawn with different partners." http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html "...Put several conditioned Danios in the tank to make sure you have both male and female. Watch for the spawning activity..." http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 Reproduction link in the "More Info" section... http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&GenusName= Danio&SpeciesName=rerio&fc=122&StockCode=4841 "Description of life cycle and mating behavior: Breed all year round (Ref. 58931). From Johnson (1932), 'a female never extrudes eggs during active courtship until the genital organ comes in contact with that of the male, whereupon a small stream of eggs is ejected' (Ref. 205). Violent dashing and chasing characterize courtship finally culminating in eggs being shed a few at a time, settling freely without adhering to the bottom surface (Ref. 205)." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 to 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39649	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of the fish's own choosing. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 to > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39650	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

The "original" - old-time favorite, best-known-as, and correct Bleeding Heart Tetra is Hyphessobrycon erythrostigma, which you have. The so-called "Flame-Back Bleeding Heart" Tetra you found on AquaBid is Hyphessobrycon pyrrhonotus -- an entirely different species. Typical example as to why common names can be confusing. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Okay I can get a group of females to even out my school. They also have > flameback bleeding hearts, which look to me to just be a wild version of > bleeding hearts. Do you think they could interbreed? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream > > loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But unfortunately they > > > say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit and see > > > if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > > > you'll have > > > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of 8-9 in > > > > total, > > > > so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. > > > You may > > > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some other > > > stuff > > > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > > > request > > > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently well > > > > > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > > > > > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner > > wants > > > > > to order at the time. > > > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if I can't > > > > > find any elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with schooling > > > > > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at > > least 2 > > > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes to chase > > > > > > around, they don't fight as > > > > > much > > > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either fight or > > > > > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at 6 or > > > above > > > > ASAP. > > > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type > > aggression but > > > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized school. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but > > the LFS > > > > > only > > > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I think at > > > > > least 3 of > > > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more > > colorful > > > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the 4th one is > > > > > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color and the > > > > > > top fin is > > > > > shorter). > > > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older I would > > > > > assume), > > > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when feeding. I > > > > > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were already > > > > > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they are healed > > > > > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have their > > > > > > mouth's stuck open all the > > > > > time. They > > > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest one could > > > > > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? Should I > > worry > > > > > about the > > > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so all the > > > > > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra doesn't chase > > > > > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39651	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

there was a site that called it green beard algae, its too short to be hair algae, its clumps of short green hairy patches --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Do you mean Black beard algae? If so, that is very difficult to get rid > of, but Guppy's, Platy's and a few other fish will eat it, but only if > you don't feed them a lot and then they look for stuff to graze on in > the tank. > > Amber > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > so i messed up, it's green beard algae, not hair algae, which should > > get taken care of by a pleco, but i think i'm going to completely redo > > that tank, move my some of my rams into my tetra tank, and sell the > > rest, I would like to sell the bio cube and get a larger tank but i > > think it's going to be hard to find a buyer, so i'm going to convert > > it to a second african cichlid tank for now, i should be able to pull > > it off, just need to add some calcite based rocks and do a good sized > > water change, that should adjust the water parameters to what > > african's need > > > > In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had > > a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it right > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39652	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Try separating them, and see if they develop signs of lifelong fish depression or obsessive compulsive disorder. (Grin) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 5:46 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Glofish I don't think they pair up for life in the same sense as some other non-schooling fish. They may mate for life but they still like to be in a school whereas some other fish will pair up and then they prefer to be separate and have their own area... like your "nice" pair of angelfish. ;-) I know many sites/forums repeat the "pair up for life" comment and a Google search about this shows it but three reputable profile sites do not mention this in their summary sections on breeding or social behavior. Although the Mongabay profile mentions that they do form pairs and "will not often spawn with different partners" but doesn't say "pair for life"... but in either case, they are still a schooling fish even if they do form a mated pair. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html "Social behavior: An active schooling species which can be kept in almost any community tank. Do not combine the Zebra Danio with species that are frightened with constant movement. The Zebra Danio forms pairs, and will often not spawn with different partners." http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html "...Put several conditioned Danios in the tank to make sure you have both male and female. Watch for the spawning activity..." http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 Reproduction link in the "More Info" section... http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&GenusName= Danio&SpeciesName=rerio&fc=122&StockCode=4841 "Description of life cycle and mating behavior: Breed all year round (Ref. 58931). From Johnson (1932), 'a female never extrudes eggs during active courtship until the genital organ comes in contact with that of the male, whereupon a small stream of eggs is ejected' (Ref. 205). Violent dashing and chasing characterize courtship finally culminating in eggs being shed a few at a time, settling freely without adhering to the bottom surface (Ref. 205)." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 to 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39653	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

Here's my list of favorite Algae Information sites. Compare yours with the many pictures for an identification. You may see similar or different common names for what looks like the same algae. Unless the sites use scientific names for a particular algae, we are at the mercy of common names... just like with fish. http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=9 http://www.theplantedtank.co.uk/algae.htm http://www.sydneycichlid.com/algae.htm No pictures on these next sites but GOOD information and links to pictures. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/ http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/algae.htm http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/algae-randall.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hair algea there was a site that called it green beard algae, its too short to be hair algae, its clumps of short green hairy patches --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Do you mean Black beard algae? If so, that is very difficult to get > rid of, but Guppy's, Platy's and a few other fish will eat it, but > only if you don't feed them a lot and then they look for stuff to > graze on in the tank. > > Amber > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > so i messed up, it's green beard algae, not hair algae, which should > > get taken care of by a pleco, but i think i'm going to completely > > redo that tank, move my some of my rams into my tetra tank, and sell > > the rest, I would like to sell the bio cube and get a larger tank > > but i think it's going to be hard to find a buyer, so i'm going to > > convert it to a second african cichlid tank for now, i should be > > able to pull it off, just need to add some calcite based rocks and > > do a good sized water change, that should adjust the water > > parameters to what african's need > > > > In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i > > > had > > a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it > > right up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i > > get rid of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? > > it's growing on everything in the tank including the live plants

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39654	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: clown loaches

I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39655	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39656	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

That I didn't know. What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and guppies  yet stay small? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome <djransome@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39657	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Well they breed just like they play, makes sense to me ;) LOL. So does that mean I shouldn't worry about my male/female ratio on danio's or should I try to get more females than males? My purple passion danio's seem to be mostly male, but I don't notice any aggression they school around the tank happily, and I never noticed my Glofish acting oddly with more males than females (before they started dissapearing in the 125 gallon tank). I'm not sure if something was eating them or they were dying, but they dwindled down to 2 in a few months out of 5, so I moved them over to the 55 gallon just in case ;). I'm gathering my list for this supplier and I'm trying to fill out my schools so I have happier fish. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I don't think they pair up for life in the same sense as some other > non-schooling fish. They may mate for life but they still like to be in a > school whereas some other fish will pair up and then they prefer to be > separate and have their own area... like your "nice" pair of > angelfish. ;-) > > I know many sites/forums repeat the "pair up for life" comment and a > Google > search about this shows it but three reputable profile sites do not > mention > this in their summary sections on breeding or social behavior. > Although the > Mongabay profile mentions that they do form pairs and "will not often > spawn > with different partners" but doesn't say "pair for life"... but in either > case, they are still a schooling fish even if they do form a mated pair. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > "Social behavior: An active schooling species which can be kept in almost > any community tank. Do not combine the Zebra Danio with species that are > frightened with constant movement. The Zebra Danio forms pairs, and will > often not spawn with different partners." > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html> > "...Put several conditioned Danios in the tank to make sure you have both > male and female. Watch for the spawning activity..." > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653> > Reproduction link in the "More Info" section... > http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&GenusName= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&GenusName=> > Danio&SpeciesName=rerio&fc=122&StockCode=4841 > "Description of life cycle and mating behavior: Breed all year round (Ref. > 58931). From Johnson (1932), 'a female never extrudes eggs during active > courtship until the genital organ comes in contact with that of the male, > whereupon a small stream of eggs is ejected' (Ref. 205). Violent > dashing and > chasing characterize courtship finally culminating in eggs being shed > a few > at a time, settling freely without adhering to the bottom surface (Ref. > 205)." > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > should > not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 to 1? I > wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39658	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bleeding Heart Tetra

I agree, thankfully the supplier provides both names, so I was able to easily look up info and figure it out. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > The "original" - old-time favorite, best-known-as, and correct > Bleeding Heart Tetra is Hyphessobrycon erythrostigma, which you have. > The so-called "Flame-Back Bleeding Heart" Tetra you found on AquaBid > is Hyphessobrycon pyrrhonotus -- an entirely different species. > Typical example as to why common names can be confusing. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Okay I can get a group of females to even out my school. They also have > > flameback bleeding hearts, which look to me to just be a wild > version of > > bleeding hearts. Do you think they could interbreed? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And I've already found that they have glofish and other hillstream > > > loaches, I think I have an order on my mind already, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From what mongabay says they are hard to breed. But > unfortunately they > > > > say that most of theirs are male, I will have to finagle a bit > and see > > > > if they will give more females than males at least ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be getting all females? If yes, get 5 or 6 of them so > > > > you'll have > > > > > 2 females for each male and you'll also have a nice school of > 8-9 in > > > > > total, > > > > > so that if one or two die, you still have a minimum sized school. > > > > You may > > > > > even get some breeding going on. > > > > > > > > > > And to spread the cost of shipping, you might as well get some > other > > > > stuff > > > > > too. Don't tell hubby I said that. LOL > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > I found a seller on aquabid, I emailed to see if it's possible to > > > > request > > > > > all of one gender. We shall see what answer I get ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASAP is relative to my LFS unfortunately. They are currently > well > > > > > > stocked on fish and won't be doing another order, and they don't > > > > > > special order either, so I'm at the mercy of whatever the owner > > > wants > > > > > > to order at the time. > > > > > > Maybe Pam can find me a few ;) LOL. Sorry Pam, just kidding. > > > > > > I will definitely be pestering my LFS to get some more in if > I can't > > > > > > find any elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inter-school aggression is one of the problems of not having a > > > > > > > minimum sized school of at least 6, when dealing with > schooling > > > > > > > fish. Make the school either all females or all males or at > > > least 2 > > > > > > > females for each male. If each male has a couple of babes > to chase > > > > > > > around, they don't fight as > > > > > > much > > > > > > > but with only 1 female and 3 males, the males will either > fight or > > > > > > > they might terrorize the female. Try to get your school at > 6 or > > > > above > > > > > ASAP. > > > > > > > There may still be some hierarchy establishment type > > > aggression but > > > > > > > not the same or as bad as might happen with an undersized > school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the > > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > > Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:07 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bleeding Heart Tetra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 4 bleeding heart tetra's (yes I should have more, but > > > the LFS > > > > > > only > > > > > > > had 4 left, so I have to wait to get more some day). I > think at > > > > > > least 3 of > > > > > > > them are male and 1 female possibly, 3 are bigger and more > > > colorful > > > > > > > at least, and their top fin is longer and prettier, the > 4th one is > > > > > > > much smaller and not nearly as pretty (not as red in color > and the > > > > > > > top fin is > > > > > > shorter). > > > > > > > One of them is bigger than all the others (probably older > I would > > > > > > assume), > > > > > > > and it often chases the other ones off, especially when > feeding. I > > > > > > > have read that they are peaceful fish. 2 of the fish were > already > > > > > > > injured before I brought them home, I would assume they > are healed > > > > > > > over as their jaw's do not bother them, both of them have > their > > > > > > > mouth's stuck open all the > > > > > > time. They > > > > > > > breath fine and eat fine. I am wondering if the biggest > one could > > > > > > > have caused the damage or if I should worry about it? > Should I > > > worry > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > largest one being too mean? They are in the 55 gallon, so > all the > > > > > > > other fish are very peaceful, and the biggest tetra > doesn't chase > > > > > > > any of the other fish, only the other tetras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39659	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had found on various sites. I still need to know how many males to females I should have for Glofish, or if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > 1 to > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > Amber > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39660	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: hair algea

If it's the same thing it's a terrible algae, takes over if you don't watch it and do something about it. It also sticks to any surface VERY well, and you have to scrape it off afterwards. Terrible stuff ;) Amber Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > there was a site that called it green beard algae, its too short to be > hair algae, its clumps of short green hairy patches > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > Do you mean Black beard algae? If so, that is very difficult to get rid > > of, but Guppy's, Platy's and a few other fish will eat it, but only if > > you don't feed them a lot and then they look for stuff to graze on in > > the tank. > > > > Amber > > > > Courtland Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > so i messed up, it's green beard algae, not hair algae, which should > > > get taken care of by a pleco, but i think i'm going to completely > redo > > > that tank, move my some of my rams into my tetra tank, and sell the > > > rest, I would like to sell the bio cube and get a larger tank but i > > > think it's going to be hard to find a buyer, so i'm going to convert > > > it to a second african cichlid tank for now, i should be able to pull > > > it off, just need to add some calcite based rocks and do a good sized > > > water change, that should adjust the water parameters to what > > > african's need > > > > > > In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Courtland Jacob" <courtland_jacob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok so i have a biocube, with some rams in it and live plants, i had > > > a really bad green water problem and my uv sterilizer cleared it > right > > > up. still having a problem with hair algea though, how can i get rid > > > of it, is there some kind of freshwater animal that eats it? it's > > > growing on everything in the tank including the live plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39661	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Yoyo loaches would do the trick. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > That I didn't know. > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > guppies yet stay small? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A > 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to > know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and > vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39662	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

How many need to be in a school or would one be able to survive on its own. Right now the snails aren't too bad but want to get something before the snails gets out of hand. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Yoyo loaches would do the trick. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > That I didn't know. > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > guppies yet stay small? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A > 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to > know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clo wn > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and > vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39663	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green water now ;) bleh poor fish. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39664	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

I'm not sure, I had 2 at once and they didn't make it through my ich outbreak, but they seemed happy in a pair. Maybe someone else out there can find more info, I couldn't find them on mongabay, but found plenty of pictures on google ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > How many need to be in a school or would one be able to survive on its > own. Right now the snails aren't too bad but want to get something > before the snails gets out of hand. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:53 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > Yoyo loaches would do the trick. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > That I didn't know. > > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > > guppies yet stay small? > > > > Kate Dale > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> > > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A > > 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... > <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would > like to > > know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clo > wn > > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and > > vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > > > Kate Dale > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > > you can > > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home > > page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > where you > > will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > ho > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39665	From: red-eye	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit differently. What you have to figure out is… what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any water. Carry water is no fun Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.  Bill     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39666	From: red-eye	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Not all that sure about groups of six. I’ve kept groups of three in a 55 & and 80 gallon for some years. They grow slowly & many LFS are is happy to exchange them. They like to make money :-) keep you happy :-) So U will spend more $$$...LOL – true though huh? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches That I didn't know. What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and guppies yet stay small? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39667	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

I have a python, that's the easiest for me ;) wonderful creation, heh Amber red-eye wrote: > > > Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit differently. What you have > to figure out is… > > what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any water. > > Carry water is no fun > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of gail > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! > > Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot > of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal > Mart for $10. lol > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > > Good Morning Everyone! >  > Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. > I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it. >  > First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT > for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it. >  > You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. > Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot > piece of > flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. > Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not > go to a > dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your > gravel or the gravel > will fall through it. >  > After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just > touches the top of the other end. > Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the > opposite end level, drop it > quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank > into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out. >  > Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria > growing in the rest of the > tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a > good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the > rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater > either. > I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am > working my way across the tanks > bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have > gotten the entire bottom > clean without throwing the tank into another cycle. >  > Bill >  >  >  >  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39668	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

yep. am looking into yo yo loaches. I want something to kill snails yet not harm the Otto's or the guppies Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: red-eye <red-eye@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:07 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Not all that sure about groups of six. I’ve kept groups of three in a 55 & and 80 gallon for some years. They grow slowly & many LFS are is happy to exchange them. They like to make money :-) keep you happy :-) So U will spend more $$$...LOL – true though huh? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:01 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches That I didn't know. What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and guppies yet stay small? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.c om] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@ <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> aim.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-=2 0<mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39669	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

That is so true. Right now that is the only option for me but I also reuse the water when my plants need watering Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: red-eye <red-eye@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:50 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit differently. What you have to figure out is… what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any water. Carry water is no fun Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  Firs t, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cy cle.  Bill     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39670	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

garden hose? works for me! Bill --- On Sat, 4/25/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: From: red-eye <red-eye@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:50 PM Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit differently. What you have to figure out is… what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any water. Carry water is no fun Regards, red-eye   _____  From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one.  Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon.  Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank.  Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.   Drain and replace in the tank.  If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom.  Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.  Bill     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39671	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Rams - For Bill

Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39672	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in case it will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I still have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my overfeeding ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a > huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at > all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of hours, > so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic > lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt > my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green water now > ;) bleh poor fish. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39673	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Would kuli loaches be appropriate? Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39674	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Plants - Water Onion

I just bought a water onion plant. It's quite root bound. Any tips for caring for it? I haven't touched the pot yet. Do I repot it or do I just place it into straight gravel? Is it harmful if I have to cut roots to remove the pot? Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39675	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Not sure I have never had loaches but know some eat snails Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: J. Ford <ford@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Would kuli loaches be appropriate? Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39676	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Plants - Water Onion

Cutting roots on most plants won't do much harm as long as you don't cut too much off and leave the main mass intact. Plants will regrow just about everything you cut off ;). I have a couple of water onion plants in my 125 gallon tank and they get very big if you don't trim them often. They are very nice to watch flow in the water movement though. I have mine planted into my substrate but I have a Walstad natural tank (which just means I have a couple inches of soil under my gravel, basically). So I have it in a nutrient rich environment. If you don't want to do the same you can always put the plant into a bigger pot with soil in it and cover it with gravel to keep the soil inside. When you put it into the tank make sure to lower it very slowly so it can fill with water, you will see a small amount of soil come out, that is normal as you can't keep it all inside ;) It won't continuously leak soil though, just when you first put it into the tank. My plants love this and it's easier if you want to move them later if it gets too big, etc. Amber J. Ford wrote: > > > I just bought a water onion plant. > It's quite root bound. Any tips for caring for it? I haven't touched > the pot yet. Do I repot it or do I just place it into straight gravel? > Is it harmful if I have to cut roots to remove the pot? > > Janet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39677	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Usually, with most fish species, having two or more females for each male is the recommended starting point. Lucky fish! LOL Are the "purple passion" danio's schooling with the Zebra danio's or by themselves? There are instances where fish that grow up together from birth, either siblings or just coincidentally born at the same time, will not exhibit the same kinds of tendencies that separate fish will do. For example, male Bettas are well known for their wanting to fight to the death but if a couple of male Bettas are born at the same time and are never separated into little bowls, they will often get along together with no problems. This could be why your Glo-fish zebra danios got along OK even though there were more males than females. Maybe none of them wanted to go after their sister. ;-) LOL Of course, since they were mysteriously dying/disappearing, then maybe an aggressive male was going after the other males and nipping their fins until they became easy prey for the other fish in the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glofish Well they breed just like they play, makes sense to me ;) LOL. So does that mean I shouldn't worry about my male/female ratio on danio's or should I try to get more females than males? My purple passion danio's seem to be mostly male, but I don't notice any aggression they school around the tank happily, and I never noticed my Glofish acting oddly with more males than females (before they started dissapearing in the 125 gallon tank). I'm not sure if something was eating them or they were dying, but they dwindled down to 2 in a few months out of 5, so I moved them over to the 55 gallon just in case ;). I'm gathering my list for this supplier and I'm trying to fill out my schools so I have happier fish. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I don't think they pair up for life in the same sense as some other > non-schooling fish. They may mate for life but they still like to be > in a school whereas some other fish will pair up and then they prefer > to be separate and have their own area... like your "nice" pair of > angelfish. ;-) > > I know many sites/forums repeat the "pair up for life" comment and a > Google search about this shows it but three reputable profile sites do > not mention this in their summary sections on breeding or social > behavior. > Although the > Mongabay profile mentions that they do form pairs and "will not often > spawn with different partners" but doesn't say "pair for life"... but > in either case, they are still a schooling fish even if they do form a > mated pair. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > "Social behavior: An active schooling species which can be kept in > almost any community tank. Do not combine the Zebra Danio with species > that are frightened with constant movement. The Zebra Danio forms > pairs, and will often not spawn with different partners." > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html> > "...Put several conditioned Danios in the tank to make sure you have > both male and female. Watch for the spawning activity..." > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653> > Reproduction link in the "More Info" section... > http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Genu > sName= > <http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Gen > usName=> > Danio&SpeciesName=rerio&fc=122&StockCode=4841 > "Description of life cycle and mating behavior: Breed all year round (Ref. > 58931). From Johnson (1932), 'a female never extrudes eggs during > active courtship until the genital organ comes in contact with that of > the male, whereupon a small stream of eggs is ejected' (Ref. 205). > Violent dashing and chasing characterize courtship finally culminating > in eggs being shed a few at a time, settling freely without adhering > to the bottom surface (Ref. > 205)." > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 > to 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39678	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

Two or more females for each male. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had found on various sites. I still need to know how many males to females I should have for Glofish, or if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > 1 to > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39679	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

YoYo's get too big for a 10G tank also. They grow to 6" and should be kept in shoals of three or more also. http://www.loaches.com/species-index/botia-almorhae http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Botia_lohachata.html (Mongabay only says 4" but even that is pushing it for a 10G, especially with other fish in the tank. I've notified Mongabay of the typo.) http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile79.html The best thing to get rid of snails in 10G is to use snail bait/traps and remove them manually. Smash the smaller ones on the glass and the fish will eat them and maybe even start hunting them down while they are still small. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Yoyo loaches would do the trick. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > That I didn't know. > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > guppies yet stay small? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. > A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would > like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am > wanting the clown loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been > doing extra pwc's and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39680	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

If you absolutely can't get rid of the snail problem using normal snail eradication methods... see this page... http://www.applesnail.net/content/various/eradication.htm Then if you absolutely want to go with a YoYo Loach, you would have to get three and have a deal with your LFS to trade them in when they get to a couple of inches long... or plan on a larger tank for them. And in the future, de-snail your plants, as best as you can, before adding them to the tank. I have a blog called "Planted Tank - So you want a planted tank?" and there are a couple of links to articles on sanitizing plants. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches How many need to be in a school or would one be able to survive on its own. Right now the snails aren't too bad but want to get something before the snails gets out of hand. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Yoyo loaches would do the trick. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > That I didn't know. > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > guppies yet stay small? > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@... > <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. > A 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > toddswoman496861@... <mailto:toddswoman496861%40aim.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would > like to know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am > wanting the clo wn > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's > and vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > Kate Dale >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39681	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

Bill, Just so you know. Run the water through the garden hose for a few minutes before starting it into your tank. There's a reason they sell "drinking water safe" hoses as normal garden hoses have added polymers to keep them more flexible and weather resistant and these polymers will leach into the water sitting in the hose... especially in the sun. Have you ever taken a drink right out of a garden hose when it's first started up? You can taste the rubber taste. These polymers are NOT GOOD for our fish... or us either for that matter. Flushing any water from the hose first will at least remove the majority of the polymers but it's best to use potable-water-safe or drinking-water-safe hoses for our fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! garden hose? works for me! Bill --- On Sat, 4/25/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: From: red-eye <red-eye@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:50 PM Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit differently. What you have to figure out is… what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any water. Carry water is no fun Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM Good Morning Everyone!  Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill does it.  First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's how I do it.  You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon buckets. Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ “diameter. Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not want, if not go to a dollar store and buy one. Make sure it is less the size of your gravel or the gravel will fall through it.  After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it just touches the top of the other end. Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the buckets and start the siphon. Cut the tank into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out.  Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the bacteria growing in the rest of the tank. Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it a good hosing.  Drain and replace in the tank. If you temper the rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your aquarium heater either. I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections as I am working my way across the tanks bottom. Doing your regular 25% PWC’s, by months end you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without throwing the tank into another cycle.  Bill    Â

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39682	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Kuhli loaches will not eat snails. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Would kuli loaches be appropriate? Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39683	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is that green water is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not certain of that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in case it will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I still have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my overfeeding ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a > huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at > all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of > hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the > actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will > it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > water now > ;) bleh poor fish. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39684	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

The green water will probably clear up in a week or two, once all the plants get back to business. If you disturbed any while planting the new stock, they may also take a bit of time to recover and start depleting the food which the suspended algae is now utilizing. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green water now ;) bleh poor fish. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39685	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

Kuhli's aren't the best snail eaters. They will eat smaller snails but not the bigger ones. http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pangio-kuhlii http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Pangio_kuhlii.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches Would kuli loaches be appropriate? Janet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39686	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, will also test everything else as well and let you know. The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 gallon tank and that was weeks ago. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have > introduced > a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is that green water > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not certain > of that. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in case it > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I still > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been feeding > a few > times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel cleaning every few > days to > make sure it stays clean with all my overfeeding ;) > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a > > huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at > > all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of > > hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the > > actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will > > it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > water now > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39687	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish

I never saw them get sick, they just weren't there one day... They don't school with the purple passion danio's, in fact they seem to ignore them completely. They are more active though, I think having more activity in the tank livened them up a little. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Usually, with most fish species, having two or more females for each > male is > the recommended starting point. Lucky fish! LOL > > Are the "purple passion" danio's schooling with the Zebra danio's or by > themselves? > > There are instances where fish that grow up together from birth, either > siblings or just coincidentally born at the same time, will not > exhibit the > same kinds of tendencies that separate fish will do. For example, male > Bettas are well known for their wanting to fight to the death but if a > couple of male Bettas are born at the same time and are never > separated into > little bowls, they will often get along together with no problems. This > could be why your Glo-fish zebra danios got along OK even though there > were > more males than females. Maybe none of them wanted to go after their > sister. ;-) LOL Of course, since they were mysteriously > dying/disappearing, then maybe an aggressive male was going after the > other > males and nipping their fins until they became easy prey for the other > fish > in the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > Well they breed just like they play, makes sense to me ;) LOL. > So does that mean I shouldn't worry about my male/female ratio on > danio's or > should I try to get more females than males? My purple passion danio's > seem > to be mostly male, but I don't notice any aggression they school > around the > tank happily, and I never noticed my Glofish acting oddly with more males > than females (before they started dissapearing in the 125 gallon > tank). I'm > not sure if something was eating them or they were dying, but they > dwindled > down to 2 in a few months out of 5, so I moved them over to the 55 gallon > just in case ;). > > I'm gathering my list for this supplier and I'm trying to fill out my > schools so I have happier fish. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I don't think they pair up for life in the same sense as some other > > non-schooling fish. They may mate for life but they still like to be > > in a school whereas some other fish will pair up and then they prefer > > to be separate and have their own area... like your "nice" pair of > > angelfish. ;-) > > > > I know many sites/forums repeat the "pair up for life" comment and a > > Google search about this shows it but three reputable profile sites do > > not mention this in their summary sections on breeding or social > > behavior. > > Although the > > Mongabay profile mentions that they do form pairs and "will not often > > spawn with different partners" but doesn't say "pair for life"... but > > in either case, they are still a schooling fish even if they do form a > > mated pair. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html > <http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html>> > > "Social behavior: An active schooling species which can be kept in > > almost any community tank. Do not combine the Zebra Danio with species > > that are frightened with constant movement. The Zebra Danio forms > > pairs, and will often not spawn with different partners." > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile54.html>> > > "...Put several conditioned Danios in the tank to make sure you have > > both male and female. Watch for the spawning activity..." > > > > http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653> > > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653 > <http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=4653>> > > Reproduction link in the "More Info" section... > > > http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Genu > <http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Genu> > > sName= > > > <http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Gen > <http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishReproSummary.php?ID=4653&Gen> > > usName=> > > Danio&SpeciesName=rerio&fc=122&StockCode=4841 > > "Description of life cycle and mating behavior: Breed all year round > (Ref. > > 58931). From Johnson (1932), 'a female never extrudes eggs during > > active courtship until the genital organ comes in contact with that of > > the male, whereupon a small stream of eggs is ejected' (Ref. 205). > > Violent dashing and chasing characterize courtship finally culminating > > in eggs being shed a few at a time, settling freely without adhering > > to the bottom surface (Ref. > > 205)." > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:17 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Glofish > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a 1 > > to 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39688	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It!

I always check but it takes quite a bit to set temperature. Also, this hose has only one job, saving my back! Bill --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do It! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 6:09 PM > Bill, > > Just so you know.  Run the water through the garden > hose for a few minutes before starting it into your > tank.  There's a reason they sell "drinking water safe" > hoses as normal garden hoses have added polymers to keep > them more flexible and weather resistant and these polymers > will leach into the water sitting in the hose... especially > in the sun.  Have you ever taken a drink right out of a > garden hose when it's first started up?  You can taste > the rubber taste.  These polymers are NOT GOOD for our > fish... or us either for that matter.  Flushing any > water from the hose first will at least remove the majority > of the polymers but it's best to use potable-water-safe or > drinking-water-safe hoses for our fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:17 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do > It! > > > garden hose? > works for me! > > Bill > --- On Sat, 4/25/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> > wrote: > > > From: red-eye <red-eye@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do > It! > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:50 PM > > > Bottom line… everyone does it a little bit > differently. What you have to figure out is… > > what I the easiest way for me, so I do not carry any > water. > > Carry water is no fun > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of gail > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do > It! > > > > > > > > > Holy Cow!! How big is the tank that you are vaccuming? That > is a lot of work. I am still using my crappy gravel vac that > I bought from Wal Mart for $10. lol > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Gravel Cleaning! Here's How I Do > It! > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > > Good Morning Everyone! >  > Lots of comments about gravel cleaning and dead Cory's. > I thought maybe you folks would like to know how ol' bill > does it. >  > First, let me say I do own a real gravel washer and use it > BUT for you folks that like perfectly clean gravel here's > how I do it. >  > You will need at least two and maybe three 5-gallon > buckets. > Next, get yourself to a swimming pool supply store and buy > a 5 foot piece of flex filter hose at 1 ½ > “diameter. > Ask if your better half has an old colander she does not > want, if not go to a dollar store and buy > one.  Make sure it is less the size of your > gravel or the gravel will fall through it. >  > After rinsing the hose, slowly fill it with water until it > just touches the top of the other end. > Carry it to the tank, carefully put one end in the tank, > keep the opposite end level, drop it quickly into one of the > buckets and start the siphon.  Cut the tank > into imaginary quarters and vacuum the gravel out. >  > Remove only 15 or 20 percent of the gravel, to keep the > bacteria growing in the rest of the tank.  > Scoop some of the dirty gravel into the colander and give it > a good hosing.   Drain and > replace in the tank.  If you temper the > rinsing water to the tanks water you will not tax your > aquarium heater either. > I use a small soft piece of plastic to divide the sections > as I am working my way across the tanks > bottom.  Doing your regular 25% > PWC’s, by months end > you will have gotten the entire bottom clean without > throwing the tank into another cycle. >  > Bill >  >  >  >  > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39689	From: bill1433	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

No Amber, I did not BUT Pam Andress from group did and she was kind enough to remember me and forward the necessary contact information. We got together and have become friends thanks to her! Our problem is shipping with concerns for our weather here on the East Coast. Because of the over-night temps we are still waiting for a bit warmer conditions. But not to fear, they already have me down as a standing order. Thanks for the thoughts and we shall keep you posted, Bill --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 4:40 PM > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier > with german rams? I found one that > has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as > the bolivian > rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off > list? > > Amber > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39690	From: Troy	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I want Bolivian rams because I heard they don’t need no stinking badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39691	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be getting > some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is cycling right > now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I want Bolivian rams > because I heard they don’t need no stinking badgers, and that is > something I > want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one that > has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the bolivian > rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39692	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts

Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the bleeding hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, that would give me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the glofish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Two or more females for each male. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > found on > various sites. > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > Glofish, or > if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > > 1 to > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39693	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges Youngsters! ;-) I think the key word was "Bolivian". This one's even better... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no stinking > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39694	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts

Zebra Danio's are pretty easy to sex. Not sure how this works out in the Glo-Fish ZD's. http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cyprinids/zebradanio.htm l Sexing: In mature specimens, the males are much slimmer than the females. If comparing two wild-type D. rerio of opposite sexes, the background will be more golden on a male and a paler yellow on a female. The picture on this site shows a single female clearly from the males. http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html Sexing: The male has smaller yellow stripes between his black lines than the female, whereas the females have a background of silver. Females also tend to be rounder and more wide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the bleeding hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, that would give me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the glofish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Two or more females for each male. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > found on various sites. > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > Glofish, or if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for > other schools. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that > > > you should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more > > > of a > > 1 to > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39695	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts

The seller offered to pick out the fatter ones for me, so that should mean that I'll end up with at least several females ;) LOL. I was going to get 6 females, and then hope that mine live for awhile ;) LOL. I'm not sure how old the ones I have now are, but I'm fairly certain that they are males, as they are long and slender, and if one was a female they'd actually socialize I imagine, rather than ignoring each other all the time like they do now ;). Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Zebra Danio's are pretty easy to sex. Not sure how this works out in the > Glo-Fish ZD's. > http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cyprinids/zebradanio.htm > <http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cyprinids/zebradanio.htm> > l > Sexing: > In mature specimens, the males are much slimmer than the females. If > comparing two wild-type D. rerio of opposite sexes, the background will be > more golden on a male and a paler yellow on a female. > > The picture on this site shows a single female clearly from the males. > http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html > <http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html> > Sexing: The male has smaller yellow stripes between his black lines > than the > female, whereas the females have a background of silver. Females also tend > to be rounder and more wide. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts > > Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the > bleeding > hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, that > would give > me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? > I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the glofish > ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Two or more females for each male. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > > found on various sites. > > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > > Glofish, or if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for > > other schools. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that > > > > you should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more > > > > of a > > > 1 to > > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39696	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Book for Aquarium and plants

Hello Everyone, What books do you recommend for aquarium maintenance, and for plants in the tank? I have had a Tank for 4 years now, and i think it is about time my son who is 7 1/2 start taking on the responsibility of tank care. He is an excellent reader, but i want to get him started in the right direction. the tank has the following: Top Tank: Several guppies and platties Bottom Tank: Guppies. Both tanks have a good amount of plants. From Tom Tishken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39697	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants

Books? If you have been keeping things going for 4 years, it is bonding time as you teach him what he needs to know... Well that is my thought anyway... Libraries have all kinds of books to take out, just look for the newer copyrights... On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX <kd4wov@...> wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > What books do you recommend for aquarium maintenance, and for plants in the > tank? > > I have had a Tank for 4 years now, and i think it is about time my son who > is 7 1/2 start taking on the responsibility of tank care. He is an excellent > reader, but i want to get him started in the right direction. > > the tank has the following: > Top Tank: Several guppies and platties > Bottom Tank: Guppies. > > Both tanks have a good amount of plants. > > From Tom Tishken > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39698	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Bucked tooth Tetras

I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon paradoxus), but we haven’t found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the bleeding hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, that would give me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the glofish ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Two or more females for each male. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > found on > various sites. > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > Glofish, or > if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > > 1 to > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39699	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

"We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be getting > some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is cycling right > now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I want Bolivian rams > because I heard they don’t need no stinking badgers, and that is > something I > want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one that > has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the bolivian > rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39700	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants

Tom, What you can't teach, can probably found in the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1_. They have a section on setting up and maintaining a tank, then a section on plants, along with a listing of plants and their needs. Then, for moving beyond guppies and platies, there are the fish, the main thrust of the book. Hundreds of fish pictures and listings. Gives the boy (and dad) something to look forward to or to drool over. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Book for Aquarium and plants Hello Everyone, What books do you recommend for aquarium maintenance, and for plants in the tank? I have had a Tank for 4 years now, and i think it is about time my son who is 7 1/2 start taking on the responsibility of tank care. He is an excellent reader, but i want to get him started in the right direction. the tank has the following: Top Tank: Several guppies and platties Bottom Tank: Guppies. Both tanks have a good amount of plants. From Tom Tishken ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39701	From: gambusiaaffinis	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Bichir Emergency !!!

This morning I found my female Bichir at the bottom of my planted aquarium with extended gill covers and not moving. I tried to move her to a quarantine tank. She would gasp for breathe. Dart towards the surface but not be able to swim up and get air to breathe. Now I have her suspended on a moist piece of foam in shallow warm water. This seems to be working, at least allowing her to breathe and keep moist. Her vent is red and she is alive but lethargic. Does anyone know what is wrong with my female Bichir? Angela

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39702	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants

There are plenty of books out there. Besides some of the books, I also recommend newbie's (or anyone wanting to brush up on their fish keeping skills) read through one or both of the FREE online tutorials that will walk a fish keeper through all aspects of fish keeping. You can find both tutorials listed on my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping..." http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/to-z-of-fish-keeping-how-to-training.h tml After taking one or both of the tutorials, I also have a link to a FREE online Quiz which as you complete each level of the quiz successfully, you can move up a level. For Members who cannot get to my blog (some countries block blogs), here is a copy/paste of that section of the blog dealing with the tutorials and quiz. (START SNIP) BEGINNERS TUTORIAL - START HERE -http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-intro.html This is one of my favorite places to send new fish keepers as they can learn about the various aspects of fish keeping by following all of the links in this tutorial. Pay particular attention to "The Nitrogen Cycle", "Fishless Cycling" (recommended), "Cycling With Fish"(not recommended but you may already be stuck with this) and Basic Water Chemistry but please read over all of the other links as well and feel free to ask lots of questions at the forums I have listed to the right, where you will usually find me or many other experienced fish keepers. And if you want to learn even more, here is another tutorial site - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/basics/basics_aquariums.html And if you feel you are doing well already, take this online quiz to see how you do. http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/quiz1.htm (END SNIP) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:02 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Book for Aquarium and plants Hello Everyone, What books do you recommend for aquarium maintenance, and for plants in the tank? I have had a Tank for 4 years now, and i think it is about time my son who is 7 1/2 start taking on the responsibility of tank care. He is an excellent reader, but i want to get him started in the right direction. the tank has the following: Top Tank: Several guppies and platties Bottom Tank: Guppies. Both tanks have a good amount of plants. From Tom Tishken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39703	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

Have you checked Aquabid.com? I only found one using the scientific name but there may be others using the common name. http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcharacins&1241267025 Here's a couple of other online sellers that carry hard to find fish. http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/ http://www.davesfish.com/ And a large distributor, Segrest Farms, lists them also. http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search Type 'Exodon paradoxus' in the search field and you'll see that they sell them also... but only to retailers. Click on the "Locate A Pet Shop" link near the top of the page and you can see if they distribute to any of your local fish stores or pet stores. Then get them to order them for you so you can save on shipping. I looked the pics on the Segrest Farms site but I didn't see their buck teeth. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bucked tooth Tetras I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon paradoxus), but we haven't found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? Troy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39704	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

I thought it was funny. LOL But then I have a warped sense of humor so I'm sure many others do not find some of my 'funnies' very funny. ;-) And just because Amber got confused doesn't mean it flew over everybody else's head. Sorry Amber.. couldn't resist. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no stinking > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39705	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

Amber, How is your Severum doing? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. Yes, he is not as active as normal, and hides more than normal as well. He is in the 125 gallon so the O2 should not be an issue as that tank is way over filtered. He doesn't rest on the bottom of the tank, but he's hiding more. As to the surface agitation, I'm not sure how much aggitation there is compared to the 55, the 55 gallon has a 10 gallon rated HOB filter on it (for the quarantine tank) and the rena filstar xp4. I have the rena turned down a quarter of the way so it doesn't blow full force, but I have it about 4 inches below the surface of the water (the outtake). The duckweed loves this tank compared to the two 10 gallons, and they have just regular HOB filters, and I try to keep the tanks full so there's less agitaion from the HOB outflow. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > How is the surface agitation affecting the duckweed growth in the > various tanks... not overall filtration but surface agitation? > Certainly the more nutrients and better lighting will help especially > with fast growing floating plants like duckweed. > > As to your Severum. This could be a number of things so keep an eye > out and let us know more symptoms. A few things that you could > research more... of the top of my head. It could be due to low O2 > level in the tank so the bigger fish have to pump more water across > their gills. On bigger fish, checking their gills for proper > coloration is easier than on small fish. > This low O2 level is common in goldfish tanks when there is not enough > surface area to allow for proper gas exchange at the surface (mainly > ingasing of O2) ... or not enough plants providing O2 in the water but > if your Severum is in your 125G, low O2 levels is probably not the problem. > Other reasons, if it's not O2 levels is the possibility of gill flukes > which will lessen the infested fishes (<<-I struggled with the proper > use of fish or fishes here.. lol) ability to absorb O2 from the water. > Other health issues could also cause the lower food intake. Is the > fish being over-all more sluggish, resting on the bottom, hiding > behind plants/decorations more than usual? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat > to watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's repeatedly > still try to eat it, even though it's been there for a couple weeks > now ;). It's really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I wonder if it > likes the lighting better than in the other tanks. The two 10 gallon > tanks don't seem to be doing much (the duckweed that is), maybe the > nutrients aren't as high for it to prosper. I figure if it overtakes > my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs and dump it in the 125 gallon > tank and see how much gets eaten ;). > > Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting oddly. > He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck > inside, but I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to be > as eager to eat, but he's still eating... > Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39706	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!

I have no ideas yet but tell us more. Did this happen overnight or were you away from the tank for a few days? Make sure you keep the water well agitated as warmer waters do not hold gases as well so the O2 level will actually be lower in warmer water. If she was having trouble breathing, then it could make things worse. The warmer water is OK.. just make sure it's aerated/agitated to increase the O2 levels in the water. When you say "extended gill covers", can you see her gills? Are they inflamed or pale white? What color are they? Add a pinch of salt per 10G as the chloride in salt (NaCl = Sodium Chloride) aids in gill function with the transfer of O2 so if part of the gills are injured (parasites, gill flukes possible) at least the chloride will help the functioning part of the gills retrieve more O2 from the water. Is she egg bound? When you say her "vent is red", you do mean her anal vent? Last but not least... as usual, have you checked your water chemistry to see how it is doing? Have you added anything or changed anything recently? The more info, the better for helping one of us possibly see something that might help you and the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gambusiaaffinis Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bichir Emergency !!! This morning I found my female Bichir at the bottom of my planted aquarium with extended gill covers and not moving. I tried to move her to a quarantine tank. She would gasp for breathe. Dart towards the surface but not be able to swim up and get air to breathe. Now I have her suspended on a moist piece of foam in shallow warm water. This seems to be working, at least allowing her to breathe and keep moist. Her vent is red and she is alive but lethargic. Does anyone know what is wrong with my female Bichir? Angela

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39707	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/piranha038/exodon.html They have a photo of the teeth. These things sound like piranha for people with small tanks! On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Have you checked Aquabid.com? I only found one using the scientific name > but there may be others using the common name. > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcharacins&1241267025 > > Here's a couple of other online sellers that carry hard to find fish. > > http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/ > > http://www.davesfish.com/ > > And a large distributor, Segrest Farms, lists them also. > > http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search > > Type 'Exodon paradoxus' in the search field and you'll see that they sell > them also... but only to retailers. Click on the "Locate A Pet Shop" link > near the top of the page and you can see if they distribute to any of your > local fish stores or pet stores. Then get them to order them for you so you > can save on shipping. > > I looked the pics on the Segrest Farms site but I didn't see their buck > teeth. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bucked tooth Tetras > > I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon paradoxus), > but we haven't found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? > > Troy > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39708	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

I think it’s a guy thing. I get it because my family consists of husband and two adult sons. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be getting > some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is cycling right > now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I want Bolivian rams > because I heard they don’t need no stinking badgers, and that is > something I > want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one that > has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the bolivian > rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39709	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

UGH! UGH! Me MAN, you woman... now go do clean cave! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill I think it's a guy thing. I get it because my family consists of husband and two adult sons. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no stinking > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39710	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

Lenny, that sounded more like Tim the Toolman Taylor than The Dirty Dozen, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill UGH! UGH! Me MAN, you woman... now go do clean cave! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill I think it's a guy thing. I get it because my family consists of husband and two adult sons. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no stinking > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39711	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

I thought you went there with the "it's a guy thing", so I figured I'd expand on it... but yes, it is more of a Tim "The Toolman" Taylor thing. LOL But.. the "We don't need no stinking badgeRs" (badgeRs, not badges) comes from a Weird Al Yankovic movie called "UHF". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54 Then after watching that one, watch the scene from UHF about Raul's Wild Kingdom... probably looks like a few of our homes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM&NR=1 And then "Blazing Saddles" take on the issue... (another MAN movie.. lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lj056ao6GE And last but not least, the original scene... (but according to this YouTube clip, it's from "The treasure of the Sierra Madre", not "The Dirty Dozen". I just wanted to clarify that so we don't have folks out there using this line and mis-crediting it. ;-)) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ Fish... I thought I'd better get it back on topic. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Lenny, that sounded more like Tim the Toolman Taylor than The Dirty Dozen, LOL. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill UGH! UGH! Me MAN, you woman... now go do clean cave! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill I think it's a guy thing. I get it because my family consists of husband and two adult sons. _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like Lenny, except not as good. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill Badgers? I'm so confused ;) Amber Troy wrote: > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I plan to be > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their new home is > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on next weekend. I > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no stinking > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > Troy > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german rams? I found one > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, as well as the > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their email address off list? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39712	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

The aquabid seller that has Rams also has these bucktooth tetra's as well, I sent him the email address off list. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Have you checked Aquabid.com? I only found one using the scientific name > but there may be others using the common name. > > http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcharacins&1241267025 > <http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcharacins&1241267025> > > Here's a couple of other online sellers that carry hard to find fish. > > http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/ <http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/> > > http://www.davesfish.com/ <http://www.davesfish.com/> > > And a large distributor, Segrest Farms, lists them also. > > http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search > <http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search> > > Type 'Exodon paradoxus' in the search field and you'll see that they sell > them also... but only to retailers. Click on the "Locate A Pet Shop" link > near the top of the page and you can see if they distribute to any of your > local fish stores or pet stores. Then get them to order them for you > so you > can save on shipping. > > I looked the pics on the Segrest Farms site but I didn't see their buck > teeth. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bucked tooth Tetras > > I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon > paradoxus), > but we haven't found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? > > Troy > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39713	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I can't change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I think. score so far. 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. Garry ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39714	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

He is still the same. When I put in the sinking carnivore pellets (which he used to come charging for across the aquarium), he just ignores them, he wants nothing to do with the pellets. But he will still eat frozen foods. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Amber, > > How is your Severum doing? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > Yes, he is not as active as normal, and hides more than normal as well. > He is in the 125 gallon so the O2 should not be an issue as that tank > is way > over filtered. He doesn't rest on the bottom of the tank, but he's hiding > more. > As to the surface agitation, I'm not sure how much aggitation there is > compared to the 55, the 55 gallon has a 10 gallon rated HOB filter on it > (for the quarantine tank) and the rena filstar xp4. I have the rena turned > down a quarter of the way so it doesn't blow full force, but I have it > about > 4 inches below the surface of the water (the outtake). The duckweed loves > this tank compared to the two 10 gallons, and they have just regular HOB > filters, and I try to keep the tanks full so there's less agitaion > from the > HOB outflow. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How is the surface agitation affecting the duckweed growth in the > > various tanks... not overall filtration but surface agitation? > > Certainly the more nutrients and better lighting will help especially > > with fast growing floating plants like duckweed. > > > > As to your Severum. This could be a number of things so keep an eye > > out and let us know more symptoms. A few things that you could > > research more... of the top of my head. It could be due to low O2 > > level in the tank so the bigger fish have to pump more water across > > their gills. On bigger fish, checking their gills for proper > > coloration is easier than on small fish. > > This low O2 level is common in goldfish tanks when there is not enough > > surface area to allow for proper gas exchange at the surface (mainly > > ingasing of O2) ... or not enough plants providing O2 in the water but > > if your Severum is in your 125G, low O2 levels is probably not the > problem. > > Other reasons, if it's not O2 levels is the possibility of gill flukes > > which will lessen the infested fishes (<<-I struggled with the proper > > use of fish or fishes here.. lol) ability to absorb O2 from the water. > > Other health issues could also cause the lower food intake. Is the > > fish being over-all more sluggish, resting on the bottom, hiding > > behind plants/decorations more than usual? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > > > So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat > > to watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's repeatedly > > still try to eat it, even though it's been there for a couple weeks > > now ;). It's really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I wonder if it > > likes the lighting better than in the other tanks. The two 10 gallon > > tanks don't seem to be doing much (the duckweed that is), maybe the > > nutrients aren't as high for it to prosper. I figure if it overtakes > > my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs and dump it in the 125 gallon > > tank and see how much gets eaten ;). > > > > Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting > oddly. > > He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck > > inside, but I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to be > > as eager to eat, but he's still eating... > > Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39715	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

Neat but a bit scary looking, too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39716	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!

Fish can get egg bound too? (I breed parrots so I knew that they can get egg bound and what to do for it), out of curiosity how do you deal with an egg bound fish? Can't put Vaseline into your fish tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I have no ideas yet but tell us more. Did this happen overnight or > were you > away from the tank for a few days? Make sure you keep the water well > agitated as warmer waters do not hold gases as well so the O2 level will > actually be lower in warmer water. If she was having trouble breathing, > then it could make things worse. The warmer water is OK.. just make sure > it's aerated/agitated to increase the O2 levels in the water. > > When you say "extended gill covers", can you see her gills? Are they > inflamed or pale white? What color are they? > > Add a pinch of salt per 10G as the chloride in salt (NaCl = Sodium > Chloride) > aids in gill function with the transfer of O2 so if part of the gills are > injured (parasites, gill flukes possible) at least the chloride will help > the functioning part of the gills retrieve more O2 from the water. > > Is she egg bound? When you say her "vent is red", you do mean her anal > vent? > > Last but not least... as usual, have you checked your water chemistry > to see > how it is doing? Have you added anything or changed anything recently? The > more info, the better for helping one of us possibly see something that > might help you and the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of gambusiaaffinis > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bichir Emergency !!! > > This morning I found my female Bichir at the bottom of my planted aquarium > with extended gill covers and not moving. I tried to move her to a > quarantine tank. She would gasp for breathe. Dart towards the surface but > not be able to swim up and get air to breathe. Now I have her > suspended on a > moist piece of foam in shallow warm water. This seems to be working, at > least allowing her to breathe and keep moist. Her vent is red and she is > alive but lethargic. Does anyone know what is wrong with my female > Bichir? > > Angela > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39717	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry > > > __________________________________________________________ > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39718	From: bill1433	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Rams - For Bill

Friendly Advise Here? I would not be shooting my lemon off to loudly to a Lady with a hubby, plus 2 adult sons. Somehow those numbers do not add up in your favor! Like having you around and would hate to see you leave------------------suddenly! ol'bill --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 2:21 PM > UGH! UGH!  Me MAN, you woman... > now go do clean cave! > > LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Donna Ransome > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > I think it's a guy thing.  I get it because my family > consists of husband > and two adult sons. > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Troy > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > > > > > > > > "We don't need no stinking badges" I was being funny like > Lenny, except not > as good. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > Badgers? I'm so confused ;) > > Amber > > Troy wrote: > > > > > > Me too, please. I would very much like the address. I > plan to be > > getting some Bolivian rams in a couple of weeks. Their > new home is > > cycling right now and will be getting its garden on > next weekend. I > > want Bolivian rams because I heard they don't need no > stinking > > badgers, and that is something I want to avoid. > > > > Troy > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Rams - For Bill > > > > Hey Bill did you ever find a supplier with german > rams? I found one > > that has both german blue rams and german gold rams, > as well as the > > bolivian rams. Would you like me to send you their > email address off list? > > > > Amber > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39719	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

I'm trying to figure out why someone would want one ;) It's like a vampire fish, can't keep it with anything else, except food ;) LOL Amber J. Ford wrote: > > > Neat but a bit scary looking, too. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39720	From: hank voss	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Troy" <ntevidence@...> wrote: > Troy: I hope your coworker knows that E,paradoxus is rather aggressive characin when adult. Hank ================================== > I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon paradoxus), > but we haven't found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? > > > > Troy > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts > > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the > bleeding hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, > that would give me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? > I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the > glofish ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Two or more females for each male. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > > found on > > various sites. > > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > > Glofish, or > > if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > > > 1 to > > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39721	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry > > > __________________________________________________________ > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39722	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay tested the tank this afternoon. Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates were between 0 and 5 ppm. I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it out? Any advice there? LOL Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was harmful to > the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I should. I will > check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has time to build up) to > see if I'm possibly having any other issues, will also test everything > else as well and let you know. The tank should be plenty cycled by now > as I used cycled media from the 125 gallon tank and that was weeks ago. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have > > introduced > > a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is that green > water > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not > certain > > of that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in > case it > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I > still > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been feeding > > a few > > times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel cleaning every few > > days to > > make sure it stays clean with all my overfeeding ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I got a > > > huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the lighting at > > > all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by a couple of > > > hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the > > > actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will > > > it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > > water now > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39723	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

I hate it when bringing a fish home does that. I had an ich outbreak because my quarantine filter died on me and I couldn't keep the new fish in the Q tank (I noticed when I got home that the filter wasn't running, when I went to refill it it was dead), so the fish had to go into the main tank. Thankfully all I got was ich. Perhaps there's a way to get the meds out of the tank with PWC's? Anyone out there have any tips? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at > present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her > whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not > sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I > am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in > the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use > protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means > more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits > missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery > shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets > at home and put it in the tank!!. > > I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught > out when one died. > > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amber Berglund > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. > > Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did > gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? > > Amber > > Garry the Womble wrote: > > > > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > > can't > > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > > think. > > > > score so far. > > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > > > Garry > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39724	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Duckweed and Severum acting odd.

Try wetting the pellets and sprinkling garlic juice or powder on them. Garlic will often get a fish eating when it wouldn't before. Garlic is also supposed to be good for their immune systems... heck, it works to keep vampires away... and potential new girlfriends too. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. He is still the same. When I put in the sinking carnivore pellets (which he used to come charging for across the aquarium), he just ignores them, he wants nothing to do with the pellets. But he will still eat frozen foods. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Amber, > > How is your Severum doing? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > Yes, he is not as active as normal, and hides more than normal as well. > He is in the 125 gallon so the O2 should not be an issue as that tank > is way over filtered. He doesn't rest on the bottom of the tank, but > he's hiding more. > As to the surface agitation, I'm not sure how much aggitation there is > compared to the 55, the 55 gallon has a 10 gallon rated HOB filter on > it (for the quarantine tank) and the rena filstar xp4. I have the rena > turned down a quarter of the way so it doesn't blow full force, but I > have it about > 4 inches below the surface of the water (the outtake). The duckweed > loves this tank compared to the two 10 gallons, and they have just > regular HOB filters, and I try to keep the tanks full so there's less > agitaion from the HOB outflow. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How is the surface agitation affecting the duckweed growth in the > > various tanks... not overall filtration but surface agitation? > > Certainly the more nutrients and better lighting will help > > especially with fast growing floating plants like duckweed. > > > > As to your Severum. This could be a number of things so keep an eye > > out and let us know more symptoms. A few things that you could > > research more... of the top of my head. It could be due to low O2 > > level in the tank so the bigger fish have to pump more water across > > their gills. On bigger fish, checking their gills for proper > > coloration is easier than on small fish. > > This low O2 level is common in goldfish tanks when there is not > > enough surface area to allow for proper gas exchange at the surface > > (mainly ingasing of O2) ... or not enough plants providing O2 in the > > water but if your Severum is in your 125G, low O2 levels is probably > > not the > problem. > > Other reasons, if it's not O2 levels is the possibility of gill > > flukes which will lessen the infested fishes (<<-I struggled with > > the proper use of fish or fishes here.. lol) ability to absorb O2 from the water. > > Other health issues could also cause the lower food intake. Is the > > fish being over-all more sluggish, resting on the bottom, hiding > > behind plants/decorations more than usual? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Duckweed and Severum acting odd. > > > > So is it wrong that I actually like Duckweed? LOL. I think it's neat > > to watch it floating around the tank, and watch the guppy's > > repeatedly still try to eat it, even though it's been there for a > > couple weeks now ;). It's really doing well in the 55 gallon tank, I > > wonder if it likes the lighting better than in the other tanks. The > > two 10 gallon tanks don't seem to be doing much (the duckweed that > > is), maybe the nutrients aren't as high for it to prosper. I figure > > if it overtakes my 55 gallon I'll take it downstairs and dump it in > > the 125 gallon tank and see how much gets eaten ;). > > > > Also I've notice the past couple of days that my Severum is acting > oddly. > > He's opening his mouth a lot, almost like he has something stuck > > inside, but I can't see anything in there. He also doesn't seem to > > be as eager to eat, but he's still eating... > > Should I worry or just keep an eye on him for now? > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39725	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... although Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39726	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

Carbon removes medications. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I hate it when bringing a fish home does that. I had an ich outbreak because my quarantine filter died on me and I couldn't keep the new fish in the Q tank (I noticed when I got home that the filter wasn't running, when I went to refill it it was dead), so the fish had to go into the main tank. Thankfully all I got was ich. Perhaps there's a way to get the meds out of the tank with PWC's? Anyone out there have any tips? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at > present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her > whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not > sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I > am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in > the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use > protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means > more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits > missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery > shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets > at home and put it in the tank!!. > > I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught > out when one died. > > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amber Berglund > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. > > Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did > gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? > > Amber > > Garry the Womble wrote: > > > > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > > can't > > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > > think. > > > > score so far. > > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > > > Garry > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > > <http://uk.docs <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39727	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

Newbie here, so run this past the experts, first, but can't you use salt even if there are meds in the water? I know that's what they had me doing for a bit for my fish with the fungus/fin rot problem. Or are you already doing that and I missed it. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry > > > __________________________________________________________ > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39728	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

It doesnt help when I lost 3 beehives this year already either!!. I feel nature is giving me a beating. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... although Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39729	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

All my tanks have aquarium salt in them, this is topped up when water changes are done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Menagerie_Manager To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Newbie here, so run this past the experts, first, but can't you use salt even if there are meds in the water? I know that's what they had me doing for a bit for my fish with the fungus/fin rot problem. Or are you already doing that and I missed it. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry > > > __________________________________________________________ > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - > quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html > <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39730	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

I tried the link to get it and it wouldn't work Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... although Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am se eing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using=2 0a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links (Yahoo! ID required) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39731	From: Garry the Womble	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease.html Lennys link had the html missing at the end of the link proper even though it was there. ----- Original Message ----- From: toddswoman496861@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I tried the link to get it and it wouldn't work Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... although Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am se eing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using=2 0a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , ..·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , ..·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39732	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

As usual, with ALL Yahoo Groups, they break most long links so you have to copy/paste the link into your browser if it breaks. If you're going to frequent Yahoo Groups, you need to learn to copy/paste to fix the broken links in the address bar of your browser, of you'll never get the long links to work. You can also go to my blog and on the Disease-Illness pages, there's a link under the Tropical Fish Disease & Diagnosis section. This is the TinyURL for the link.. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I tried the link to get it and it wouldn't work Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... although Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am se eing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using=2 0a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39733	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

Just having salt in a tank does absolutely nothing to dissuade disease or parasites... unless the salt level is up to the 1 teaspoon per gallon to 3 teaspoons per gallon range (or higher). The directions of that so-called "aquarium salt" does not recommend that level for what they call "normal" treatment. They are not only selling regular old table salt at ridiculously high prices, by calling it "Aquarium Salt", but most tap water sources have enough salt in them (especially hard water sources) but if you do feel the need to add salt, then a pinch of salt per 10G is enough to provide therapeutic levels to increase gill function and also protect against nitrite poisoning in a newly cycling tank. Salt is NOT needed in freshwater tanks for "normal" every day use although certain livebearers and certain other fish may have a higher tolerance and see some benefit from the hardness that is added and salinity that is added if these fish come from areas (estuaries, etc.) that sometimes have slightly brackish conditions. If they are truly freshwater fish, then there is nothing in their genetics or osmoregulatory system that requires salt being added. Part of me always wonders if adding just a certain level of salt all the time won't actually help bacteria/parasites acclimate to salt which then would make them harder to kill with salt when needed... just like we shouldn't use partial doses of antibiotics or other meds so we do not create resistant strains of bacteria. I have a section about Salt or No Salt with articles all about Salt, the Osmoregulatory system, etc., on my Disease page. Scroll down the page to the section, "Articles on the use of salt in FW aquariums & Osmoregulation:" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/search/label/Salt Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. All my tanks have aquarium salt in them, this is topped up when water changes are done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Menagerie_Manager To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Newbie here, so run this past the experts, first, but can't you use salt even if there are meds in the water? I know that's what they had me doing for a bit for my fish with the fungus/fin rot problem. Or are you already doing that and I missed it. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry the Womble" <garrywilliams59@...> I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am seeing symptoms of both fin rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using a single water supply to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39734	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it.

I just keep forgetting to do that. its the end of a long day for me. Last week so busy I could hardly sit down it seemed oh wait i did sit down when i drove over 500 miles in one week  lol will remember to do that in the future Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 9:47 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. As usual, with ALL Yahoo Groups, they break most long links so you have to copy/paste the link into your browser if it breaks. If you're going to frequent Yahoo Groups, you need to learn to copy/paste to fix the broken links in the address bar of your browser, of you'll never get the long links to work. You can also go to my blog and on the Disease-Illness pages, there's a link under the Tropical Fish Disease & Diagnosis section. This is the TinyURL for the link.. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I tried the link to get it and it wouldn't work Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. My first thoughts were like Amber's as this type of thing does not normally pop up overnight and is most likely due to water quality issues but I know from your past posts that it wasn't likely going to be water quality issues. It sure sounds like you got hit with a serious Typhoid-Mary fish. I'm presuming the new fish looked perfectly healthy so you didn't quarantine it... and if it was a Typhoid-Mary fish, even a quarantine might not have helped if the infected fish was a carrier and had built up an immunity to the bacteria that is now ravaging your tanks. Even if it spent a month in quarantine, if it was an immune carrier of the bacteria, it would still have spread it to your tank when you finally added it to the display tank(s). Now, your modified/centralized filtration certainly helped spread it but one of your tanks would have gotten hit anyhow. I think if I was ever going to go with a central filter system, I'd probably use an inline UV filter to help quash disease/parasite issues. If the fish are still eating, you should feed them antibiotic food also to help attack the bacteria from all sides. Jungle's antibacterial food actually has some decent ingredients in it... alth ough Jungle does not disclose exact amounts but I've had success with it in the past. Most external bacterial infections are gram negative so make sure your meds treat gram negative but I might even use a broad spectrum antibiotic since you are losing fish so quickly. For others reading this, I strongly suggest folks save this page in their favorites... http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html It was originally hosted on Fishpalace.org which shut down so it's only found on the Wayback Internet Archives. It has hundreds of photos of fish diseases and reasonably good information about diagnosis, prognosis and treatment with links for more info. Use it as a starting point but check for updated info as newer and sometimes better meds may be available. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garry the Womble Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. I did it all 3 days ago Amber, its really annoying me as well, at present I have had to remove a guppy who had fry a few days ago as her whole face was white and nasty, she turned turtle an hour ago, I'm not sure but I think I am se eing symptoms of both f in rot and fungus and I am Sc****ed if I am because I have myzaxin or whatever its called in the tank as soon as I spotted it, which means if I need to use protazin or whatever thats called I cant for 4 days.and that means more gone. I have a number of fish with tails etc ribboning and bits missing as well as faces turned white and what looks like a silvery shine to others, all this occured after I purchased a molly from pets at home and put it in the tank!!. I stupidly used 2 external filters to filter 3 tanks as I got caught out when one died. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber Berglund To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Gutted, all dying and nothing is stoping it. Are you sure it's the water supply? When was the last time you did gravel cleaning and filter maintenance, and a water change? Amber Garry the Womble wrote: > > > Well, I woke up yesterday to find most of my fish have fin rot and or > fungus, so I threw a load of meds in the tanks and its not working, I > can't > change meds for 48 hours so the bottle says, by then its game over I > think. > > score so far. > 4 Female bettas, 2, dwarf gouramis, 2 guppys, 2 honey gouramis, 1 male > betta, 1 red gourami ( not yet deceased but close), and others. > > The stupidity of using=2 0a single water supp ly to many tanks is borne out. > > Garry ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39735	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of the bioload. For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 fish already in the tank would not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your case, they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate for the 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish to a tank that only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay tested the tank this afternoon. Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates were between 0 and 5 ppm. I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it out? Any advice there? LOL Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was harmful > to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I should. I will > check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has time to build up) > to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, will also test > everything else as well and let you know. The tank should be plenty > cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 gallon tank and that was weeks ago. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have > > introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is > > that green > water > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not > certain > > of that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in > case it > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I > still > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > overfeeding ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I > > > got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the > > > lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by > > > a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 > > > hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of > > > the algae or will it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the > > > water so I have green water now > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39736	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reaso

You have to wonder if the chicken-little's up on Capital Hill will use this so-called Swine Flu outbreak as another nail in their attempts to pass HR 669? You know some of the co-sponsors of the legislation will use this as a way to try and keep diseases from coming in with all of these non-native species that we call pets. I guess I'll have to quit referring to goldfish as "little piggies" as some over zealous spineless politician might think that goldfish could carry swine flu. LOL You know they're going to use it in their quest to socialize health care in America and probably as another reason to raise our taxes... but I guess that's a whole 'nother subject. ;-) I just struck back at the pigs by cooking a nice pork roast! Oh.. when I just now said pigs, I wasn't talking about politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough... I meant that I struck back at real pigs... a/k/a swine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39737	From: Courtland Jacob	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: 55 tank stand

so i'm looking for an afordable, yet solid stand for my 55 gallon, currently i have a pennplax wire stand, but i'm moving from my apartment to a house this week, so i figure while i'm already having to move the tank i might as well put it on a good stand any ideas, any sites, stores ( I live in Lafayette, Louisiana by the way)the cheapest i have been able to find is 150... i'm usually good at building things... but i don't think i trust myself with building a tank stand

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39738	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

Hey there... I didn't know you were a neighbor... or maybe we talked about it before and I'm just forgetting. I'm in Metairie (just west of N'Awlins). If you are good at building things, then you can get a LOT more stand for your money if you build it. Of course, building furniture is the easy part... finishing it to make it look "purty" is the hard part. Here's my DIY tank stand that I built for under $20.00 for my 65G but then Katrina hit and I never did do the finishing work so it's still more of a utility stand except I took a table cloth and threw it over the stand to cover up the not-so-purty stand. My plans were to finish it in a rustic pine look and leave it natural but then Katrina brought me a lot of new furniture, all in Cherry, which is why I just threw the tablecloth over it to cover up the filters and supplies stored under the tank. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/my-diy-2000-big-tank-stand.html My original plans for mine called for using 1" x 6" pine boarding to finish the sides and to make front doors (with shelves inside of each door) and to also add a shelf on the inside of the stand on one side (without the canister filter) but I never did do those things either. Katrina changed things around here. :P Here are some other DIY sites with nice plans and photos of DIY tank stands, canopies, etc. http://www.aquariumlife.net/diy.asp http://www.aquariaforums.com/aquarium-diy-plans/Stands/ http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand so i'm looking for an afordable, yet solid stand for my 55 gallon, currently i have a pennplax wire stand, but i'm moving from my apartment to a house this week, so i figure while i'm already having to move the tank i might as well put it on a good stand any ideas, any sites, stores ( I live in Lafayette, Louisiana by the way)the cheapest i have been able to find is 150... i'm usually good at building things... but i don't think i trust myself with building a tank stand

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39739	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. Will retest to make sure. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish last > week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of the bioload. > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > mini-cycle > that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the minute amount of > ammonia > created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 fish already in the tank would > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the > capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your case, > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate > for the > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and the > added > ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish to a tank that > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already done > so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 > Nitrites were 0 > Nitrates were between 0 and 5 ppm. > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, but > since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it out? > Any advice there? LOL > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was harmful > > to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I should. I will > > check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has time to build up) > > to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, will also test > > everything else as well and let you know. The tank should be plenty > > cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 gallon tank and > that was > weeks ago. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have > > > introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is > > > that green > > water > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not > > certain > > > of that. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in > > case it > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I > > still > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > > overfeeding ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I > > > > got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the > > > > lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by > > > > a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 > > > > hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of > > > > the algae or will it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the > > > > water so I have green water now > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39740	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

Oh.. one other thing. If you ever want a reason to come to Baton Rouge or N'Awlins, SELAS (South East Louisiana Aquarium Society) meets in this area about once a month. Here's their latest email to me about an upcoming event. The Koi/goldfish farm field trip is in the Baton Rouge area, actually in Port Allen, LA so it's closer for you than me. (START SNIP) Hi all, I just wanted to remind people of a few things: First, Ornamental Pond Fish will be hosting a tour of their koi / goldfish farm on Saturday, May 2 from 1-3 PM; with a rain make up date of Saturday, May 9, from 1-3 PM. This is sure to be a lot of fun. Any details regarding this event (including a map) can be found here: http://www.selas.us/portal/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=7367 If there is anything in particular you would like Mike to discuss at the Koi Farm, please post it on the thread. In addition, refreshments will be provided, but feel free to bring stuff if you wish. You also may want to bring a folding chair, as there are no places to sit. If you plan on purchasing fish, you should bring an ice chest or a bucket. Second, SELAS member Danny Landry (Fishfan) has graciously offered to xerox and cut all of the flyers; a task that involves xeroxing over 10,000 pieces of paper and cutting them into 3's. In exchange for helping SELAS out, Danny would like SELAS members to make a donation to a leukemia society. When I get more information from Danny, I will post it on the site. That's all for now. I hope to see lots of people next weekend. Clay (END SNIP) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtland Jacob Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand so i'm looking for an afordable, yet solid stand for my 55 gallon, currently i have a pennplax wire stand, but i'm moving from my apartment to a house this week, so i figure while i'm already having to move the tank i might as well put it on a good stand any ideas, any sites, stores ( I live in Lafayette, Louisiana by the way)the cheapest i have been able to find is 150... i'm usually good at building things... but i don't think i trust myself with building a tank stand

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39741	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Bichir Emergency !!!

I've never had to do it but I've read a few articles on manually "stripping" a goldfish of it's eggs for breeding purposes. It can be simple but once a fish is egg-bound, it gets much more difficult and can cause injury. I don't have any of the articles saved in my favorites so you'll have to Google/search for more info on the process and I'm sure each species can be different. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bichir Emergency !!! Fish can get egg bound too? (I breed parrots so I knew that they can get egg bound and what to do for it), out of curiosity how do you deal with an egg bound fish? Can't put Vaseline into your fish tank ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I have no ideas yet but tell us more. Did this happen overnight or > were you away from the tank for a few days? Make sure you keep the > water well agitated as warmer waters do not hold gases as well so the > O2 level will actually be lower in warmer water. If she was having > trouble breathing, then it could make things worse. The warmer water > is OK.. just make sure it's aerated/agitated to increase the O2 levels > in the water. > > When you say "extended gill covers", can you see her gills? Are they > inflamed or pale white? What color are they? > > Add a pinch of salt per 10G as the chloride in salt (NaCl = Sodium > Chloride) > aids in gill function with the transfer of O2 so if part of the gills > are injured (parasites, gill flukes possible) at least the chloride > will help the functioning part of the gills retrieve more O2 from the water. > > Is she egg bound? When you say her "vent is red", you do mean her anal > vent? > > Last but not least... as usual, have you checked your water chemistry > to see how it is doing? Have you added anything or changed anything > recently? The more info, the better for helping one of us possibly see > something that might help you and the fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of gambusiaaffinis > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:17 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Bichir Emergency !!! > > This morning I found my female Bichir at the bottom of my planted > aquarium with extended gill covers and not moving. I tried to move her > to a quarantine tank. She would gasp for breathe. Dart towards the > surface but not be able to swim up and get air to breathe. Now I have > her suspended on a moist piece of foam in shallow warm water. This > seems to be working, at least allowing her to breathe and keep moist. > Her vent is red and she is alive but lethargic. Does anyone know what > is wrong with my female Bichir? > > Angela

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39742	From: Troy	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

Lenny, Where is this coming from? The flu infection goes through bird (chicken, duck, goose, etc.)-pig-person, back and forth, which keeps it unpredictable and mutating with cross species strains. This is well know about the flu. It is a shared burden between us and our favorite white meats. The Obama administration is science based, so I would expect science based policy. So, with that in mind, I would see us destroying chickens and pigs (like they have had to do in Asia) before banning pets. Pets, other than pigs and ducks and chickens, have no part in this flu. Besides, this genie is out of the bottle, and there will be no stopping it now. It’s all over North America. As far as HR 669, wasn’t that introduced by a representative from Guam? Those people have to put up with a lot of destruction from invasive species, including the brown snake that gets into houses from the sewers (coming in through the toilets). People actually get bit on their behinds when they sit on the toilet by these snakes. I think HR 669 is over reaching, but I understand the concern. Imaging having to check the potty every time before your kids or spouse would use it. Image getting bitten on the behind when you are most vulnerable, and spilling coffee all over your Sunday Times book review. As for feeding off the public trough, teachers, firemen, police, and lots of good scientists and engineers are paid off the public trough . . . You will take my goldfish when you can pry it from my cold dead fingers. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... You have to wonder if the chicken-little's up on Capital Hill will use this so-called Swine Flu outbreak as another nail in their attempts to pass HR 669? You know some of the co-sponsors of the legislation will use this as a way to try and keep diseases from coming in with all of these non-native species that we call pets. I guess I'll have to quit referring to goldfish as "little piggies" as some over zealous spineless politician might think that goldfish could carry swine flu. LOL You know they're going to use it in their quest to socialize health care in America and probably as another reason to raise our taxes... but I guess that's a whole 'nother subject. ;-) I just struck back at the pigs by cooking a nice pork roast! Oh.. when I just now said pigs, I wasn't talking about politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough... I meant that I struck back at real pigs... a/k/a swine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39743	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

Right, we can't ahve the fish kissing with the budgies. There'll be bigger problems if we're all forced to resort to having pet chickens. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com>; <Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... You have to wonder if the chicken-little's up on Capital Hill will use this so-called Swine Flu outbreak as another nail in their attempts to pass HR 669? You know some of the co-sponsors of the legislation will use this as a way to try and keep diseases from coming in with all of these non-native species that we call pets. I guess I'll have to quit referring to goldfish as "little piggies" as some over zealous spineless politician might think that goldfish could carry swine flu. LOL You know they're going to use it in their quest to socialize health care in America and probably as another reason to raise our taxes... but I guess that's a whole 'nother subject. ;-) I just struck back at the pigs by cooking a nice pork roast! Oh.. when I just now said pigs, I wasn't talking about politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough... I meant that I struck back at real pigs... a/k/a swine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39744	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

I'll answer inline after each paragraph below. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... Lenny, Where is this coming from? Lenny's answer - I heard a politician already talking about beefing up the quarantining of imported animals... and of course checking out people more strenuously as they cross the border, which I'm personally OK with... but not using this so-called outbreak as a reason to pass major legislation. The chicken-littles are already running wild up on Capitol Hill. Every day in America, hundreds of people are shot and/or killed by criminals, yet some politicians do not want to make stronger laws to put criminals in jail longer or just enforce even current laws... they want us to understand and have compassion for these common criminals... but for pets that rarely ever kill anything or anyone, they want to waste a lot of time and OUR money passing major legislation banning these pets. I could go on and on but I'm trying to keep it about HR 669. The flu infection goes through bird (chicken, duck, goose, etc.)-pig-person, back and forth, which keeps it unpredictable and mutating with cross species strains. This is well know about the flu. It is a shared burden between us and our favorite white meats. The Obama administration is science based, so I would expect science based policy. So, with that in mind, I would see us destroying chickens and pigs (like they have had to do in Asia) before banning pets. Pets, other than pigs and ducks and chickens, have no part in this flu. Besides, this genie is out of the bottle, and there will be no stopping it now. It's all over North America. Lenny's answer - I never said anything about Obama's administration (I was talking politicians in general), although I do have disagree with you about Obama's administration being science based policy. It's more about socialism based policy, not science. Further, as White House Chief of Staff Rahm "Rahmbo" Emmanuel said, "Never let a serious crisis go to waste. It's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/how-to-get-out-of-an-ocean-of-fe deral-red-ink/ They'll take this "crisis" and turn it into a way to try and push more tax-and-spend socialism down our throats... watch and see! As far as HR 669, wasn't that introduced by a representative from Guam? Those people have to put up with a lot of destruction from invasive species, including the brown snake that gets into houses from the sewers (coming in through the toilets). People actually get bit on their behinds when they sit on the toilet by these snakes. I think HR 669 is over reaching, but I understand the concern. Imaging having to check the potty every time before your kids or spouse would use it. Image getting bitten on the behind when you are most vulnerable, and spilling coffee all over your Sunday Times book review. Lenny's answer - If Guam is having a problem, then they can shut things down as to Guam. It's not like Guam is connected to any of the 50 States. They can pass their own legislation banning all imports if they choose. Further, just because it was introduced by a rep. from Guam, it was still co-sponsored by many other representatives, not from Guam. HR 669 is all about PeTA and HSUS and other AR groups trying to shut down the RIGHT of people to own animals and pets. As for feeding off the public trough, teachers, firemen, police, and lots of good scientists and engineers are paid off the public trough . . . Lenny's answer - I didn't say anything about teachers, firemen, police, etc... I said politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough (meaning trying to get something for nothing)... not people that work for a living. I don't have a problem with law-abiding citizens working for a living. I do have a problem with those that chose to feed at the public trough. You will take my goldfish when you can pry it from my cold dead fingers. Lenny's answer - They'll have to pry my Smith & Wesson from my cold dead fingers.... then they can have the goldfish. ;-) t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... You have to wonder if the chicken-little's up on Capitol Hill will use this so-called Swine Flu outbreak as another nail in their attempts to pass HR 669? You know some of the co-sponsors of the legislation will use this as a way to try and keep diseases from coming in with all of these non-native species that we call pets. I guess I'll have to quit referring to goldfish as "little piggies" as some over zealous spineless politician might think that goldfish could carry swine flu. LOL You know they're going to use it in their quest to socialize health care in America and probably as another reason to raise our taxes... but I guess that's a whole 'nother subject. ;-) I just struck back at the pigs by cooking a nice pork roast! Oh.. when I just now said pigs, I wasn't talking about politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough... I meant that I struck back at real pigs... a/k/a swine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39745	From: Troy	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Bucked tooth Tetras

Aggression is what he wants. He wanted a piranha, but doesn’t want to provide a tank in the size necessary. I found the Exodon beauties by researching a fish with all the angelic qualities my coworker wanted, but in a smaller package. This is a guy whose daughters go to school on hockey scholarships. Sometimes we like to make him angry just to watch him punch concrete and steel. From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank voss Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Bucked tooth Tetras --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Troy" <ntevidence@...> wrote: > Troy: I hope your coworker knows that E,paradoxus is rather aggressive characin when adult. Hank ================================== > I have a coworker who is looking for Bucked Tooth Tetras (Exodon paradoxus), > but we haven't found a place offering them. Anyone know of a breeder? > > > > Troy > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish and bleeding hearts > > > > > > > > > Thanks Lenny. I have to order a minimum of 6 of the danio's and the > bleeding hearts. I was going to get 6 females of the bleeding hearts, > that would give me 3 males and 7 females, does that sound like a good ratio? > I'm wondering if I should push my luck and ask if they can sex the > glofish ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Two or more females for each male. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:51 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Glofish > > > > As Lenny pointed out, several sites apparently incorrectly state that > > Glofish "pair for life", I was just going by the information I had > > found on > > various sites. > > I still need to know how many males to females I should have for > > Glofish, or > > if it's not as big of a deal for danio's as it is for other schools. > > > > Amber > > > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what would cause you to think that Danio's pair up for > > > life (they don't), and any "breeding for life" would only be as the > > > result of any two fish being kept together for life by the aquarist, > > > not allowing for any other possible matings -- but certainly not of > > > the fish's own choosing. Ray > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If glofish (or zebrafish) pair up for "life" does that mean that you > > > > should not keep them in a higher female to male ratio and more of a > > > 1 to > > > > 1? I wasn't sure if they are a rule breaker for schooling fish ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39746	From: Byron	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants

The best general book in my view is the "Aquarium Atlas" edited by Hans Baensch and Rudiger Riehl, volume 1. Most of the regularly-seen tropical freshwater fish are in this volume, and there is also volumes 2 and 3 regularly available, and now 4, 5 and 6 are out although I believe 5 and 6 are just in German (the others are available in English or German). It has the best identification descriptions and care information for fish species of anything I have seen. For plants the excellent "Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants" by Peter Hiscock is outstanding. In addition to a good descriptive/maintenance section on the regularly-available plant selections, it has a mine of good information in the first half on tank maintenance, biological and nitrogen cycle description and how to go about setting up a nice display aquarium. I only recently acquired this book and have found it already a regular reference tool for me even after 15+ years in the hobby. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX" <kd4wov@...> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > What books do you recommend for aquarium maintenance, and for plants in the tank? > > I have had a Tank for 4 years now, and i think it is about time my son who is 7 1/2 start taking on the responsibility of tank care. He is an excellent reader, but i want to get him started in the right direction. > > the tank has the following: > Top Tank: Several guppies and platties > Bottom Tank: Guppies. > > Both tanks have a good amount of plants. > > From Tom Tishken >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39747	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: About “Prime”

Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. Where’s the Tylenol? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39748	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”

Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I need something that removes metals from the water too. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly > into > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no > sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over > doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where’s the Tylenol? > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39749	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

A word of caution.. Do not use drywall screws! They are brittle & will snap under pressure. Instead as a minimum use a zinc plated screw. It's always easier to use a Phillips heads screw with a fillet head ( so it will recess). Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39750	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please forgive. This stuff comes recommended here by senior members but when you go onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, and none of them are the same. Know where you live and sort of have problems along the same lines here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes from Foster's and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 on orders under 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to beat. They do not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time and in tact. They have the Prime.. Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > I'd be wondering what to do > myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the > water > conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry anything > else. I > currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not have > something with aloe > added to it ;) But I need something that removes metals > from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once > a week. Tanks have good > > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using > any additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s > web site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according > > with each water change, depending on if you use > buckets, then directly > > into > > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take > a wrong turn. If your > > using > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > tank. This makes no > > sense > > to me at all because I figure by months end, your > going to have one > > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! > Would this be over > > doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39751	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

Better yet, use stainless steel! A tiny bit more money but you will not be using that many and why worry or give a thought to rust? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: > From: red-eye <red-eye@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:14 PM > A word of caution.. Do not use > drywall screws! > > They are brittle & will snap under pressure. Instead as > a minimum use a zinc > plated screw. It's always easier to use a Phillips heads > screw with a fillet > head ( so it will recess).  > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39752	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"

I think you might be mis-reading some forum posts. When refilling a tank directly from a faucet, like when using a Python Water Change System, there is NO NEED to add a full tank dose of dechlor. Only add enough dechlor for the amount of water being replaced. You DO want to add this dose of dechlor to the tank before starting the refill process or while doing the refill process. I usually add half the dose at the start and half in the middle... or sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll just add the full replacement dose at the start. The dechlor agent(s) will remain diluted in the water waiting for a chlorine/chloramine atom and will then attach to that atom and break it down. SeaChem's FAQ's on Prime may address this question but I've been ONLY dosing the replacement water for many years with no problems. I agree with you about folks that add a full tank dose each time they do a PWC... after many PWC's, this will result in a VERY HIGH level of dechlor in the tank. At some point, I suspect this inadvertent overdosing would be harmful to the fish. BTW.. the Tylenol's in the linen closet behind the bottle of blue pills. Those should be kept together... right? LOL (UH OH... there goes my warped sense of humor again! LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. Where's the Tylenol? Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39753	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"

Amber, Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy metals, chlorine and chloramine nowadays. I use either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. They both ONLY treat for chlorine/chloramine and heavy metals without adding any of the other junk chemicals to a tank. They are both more highly concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of water, whereas many other products require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet their prices for their 8 oz. or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the other products of similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to 10X more dechlor for the dollar by using either of the above two products. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I need something that removes metals from the water too. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would > this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39754	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

I agree. Drywall screws should only be used for drywall or other non-stress uses (like hanging a light weight picture). Deck screws (color matched to your wood) work fine. Stainless steel would be best. I did just go check my blog article about my DIY stand and I used "deck screws". I wasn't sure if I had designated that in my blog. I think I'll edit the blog to add the Zinc or Stainless Steel screws as other options. I wish I would have bought the color matched but I thought I was going to "finish" the stand so the screws wouldn't have shown up. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand A word of caution.. Do not use drywall screws! They are brittle & will snap under pressure. Instead as a minimum use a zinc plated screw. It's always easier to use a Phillips heads screw with a fillet head ( so it will recess). Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39755	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

No sweat on the blue pills, thats where they were alright. <grin> Your answer was clear as water, except for just one little sticking point here in ol bills brain-housing assembly. I will be more specific. Lets say the Prime is here. Dose each full tank accordingly once, this week. Next Sunday or Monday rolls around. PWC time. We ONLY dose according to each water level changed, correct? Not telling you, asking you and I am on my 4th coffee already! We has that New Orleans weather today, hot and very nasty. Lord, I love central air! Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:46 PM > I think you might be mis-reading some > forum posts. > > When refilling a tank directly from a faucet, like when > using a Python Water > Change System, there is NO NEED to add a full tank dose of > dechlor.  Only > add enough dechlor for the amount of water being > replaced.  You DO want to > add this dose of dechlor to the tank before starting the > refill process or > while doing the refill process.  I usually add half > the dose at the start > and half in the middle... or sometimes, if I'm feeling > lazy, I'll just add > the full replacement dose at the start.  The dechlor > agent(s) will remain > diluted in the water waiting for a chlorine/chloramine atom > and will then > attach to that atom and break it down. > > SeaChem's FAQ's on Prime may address this question but I've > been ONLY dosing > the replacement water for many years with no > problems.  I agree with you > about folks that add a full tank dose each time they do a > PWC... after many > PWC's, this will result in a VERY HIGH level of dechlor in > the tank.  At > some point, I suspect this inadvertent overdosing would be > harmful to the > fish. > > BTW.. the Tylenol's in the linen closet behind the bottle > of blue pills. > Those should be kept together... right?  LOL  (UH > OH... there goes my warped > sense of humor again! LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I > would like to > start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks.  I > have well water with a > pH of 5.5 to 5.8.  PWC's are at 25% once a week.  > Tanks have good water > parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as > yet. > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information.  So far all can say > for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then > according with each > water change, depending on if you use buckets, then > directly into the bucket > OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn.  If > your using water > direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank.  > This makes no sense to > me at all because I figure by months end, your going to > have one serious > concentration of this stuff in each tank!  Would this > be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me > EXACTLY , when you > are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is > greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol?  > Bill > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39756	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime

Bill, If you are going to initially dose the whole tank at once, and you should if you're going to do this for heavy metals, then when you do a water change -- if you are using a hose, you will need to dose the tank (but not the whole tank's capacity) -- there's no other way to add it otherwise. But, why would you consider using enough to dose the "whole tank" (like 20 or 29 gallons), when all's you need to treat is the new water (25% fresh)? Even though you're dosing to the tank, you only dose enough to treat the new water. The original water will have been treated already. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water parameters right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39757	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

Yep SS is even better Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand Better yet, use stainless steel! A tiny bit more money but you will not be using that many and why worry or give a thought to rust? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, red-eye <red-eye@pacbell. <mailto:red-eye%40pacbell.net> net> wrote: > From: red-eye <red-eye@pacbell. <mailto:red-eye%40pacbell.net> net> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:14 PM > A word of caution.. Do not use > drywall screws! > > They are brittle & will snap under pressure. Instead as > a minimum use a zinc > plated screw. It's always easier to use a Phillips heads > screw with a fillet > head ( so it will recess). > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:AquaticLife- <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39758	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

So Brother Len, Are you saying the Prime is best? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:50 PM > Amber, > > Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy > metals, chlorine and > chloramine nowadays.  I use either API's Tap Water > Conditioner or Top Fin's > Tap Water Dechlorinator.  They both ONLY treat for > chlorine/chloramine and > heavy metals without adding any of the other junk chemicals > to a tank.  They > are both more highly concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of > water, whereas many > other products require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet > their prices for > their 8 oz. or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the > other products of > similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to > 10X more dechlor > for the dollar by using either of the above two products. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what > to do myself. > I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water > conditioner that I use > but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and I'd > rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I > need something that > removes metals from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. > Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any > additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months > end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in > each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39759	From: Suzi	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime

Thank you! :) that ends my confusion :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Wetzel To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: About Prime Bill, If you are going to initially dose the whole tank at once, and you should if you're going to do this for heavy metals, then when you do a water change -- if you are using a hose, you will need to dose the tank (but not the whole tank's capacity) -- there's no other way to add it otherwise. But, why would you consider using enough to dose the "whole tank" (like 20 or 29 gallons), when all's you need to treat is the new water (25% fresh)? Even though you're dosing to the tank, you only dose enough to treat the new water. The original water will have been treated already. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water parameters right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39760	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About Prime

Good Afternoon Brother Ray! Thats exactly what I thought BUT when you start reading other forums and SeaChem included, you come away with one heck of a headache, least I did. If your following along out here please read my last reply to Brother Len on this issue. On the coding/posting? Look it over! I think I got a handle on it! Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: About Prime > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:00 PM > Bill, If you are going to initially > dose the whole tank at once, and you should if you're going > to do this for heavy metals, then when you do a water change > -- if you are using a hose, you will need to dose the tank > (but not the whole tank's capacity) -- there's no other way > to add it otherwise.  But, why would you consider using > enough to dose the "whole tank" (like 20 or 29 gallons), > when all's you need to treat is the new water (25% > fresh)?  Even though you're dosing to the tank, you > only dose enough to treat the new water.  The original > water will have been treated already.  Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon tanks.  I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to > 5.8.  PWC's are at 25% once a week.  Tanks have > good water parameters right now and I am NOT using any > additives as yet. > > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem's > web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to > rather information.  So far all can say for sure is > that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according > > with each water change, depending on if you use > buckets, then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn.  If your using > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > tank.  This makes no sense > > to me at all because I figure by months end, your > going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in > each tank!  Would this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol?  > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39761	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Well, I wouldn't dose the Prime when you get it... presuming your tanks already have dechlor? Maybe you haven't been using dechlor since you are on well water... which brings up another issue... why are you getting Prime? See my previous answer to Amber in this thread about my two choices of more affordably priced dechlor products (mainly due to their higher concentration). Prime is OK for using when cycling a tank and more importantly when cycling a tank with high pH water but you shouldn't be having either of those issues and even if you are having a minor cycling issue, with your low pH, the ammonia would have to get REALLY HIGH for it be dangerous to the fish. Hopefully, I answered your question and probably have raised many more. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" No sweat on the blue pills, thats where they were alright. <grin> Your answer was clear as water, except for just one little sticking point here in ol bills brain-housing assembly. I will be more specific. Lets say the Prime is here. Dose each full tank accordingly once, this week. Next Sunday or Monday rolls around. PWC time. We ONLY dose according to each water level changed, correct? Not telling you, asking you and I am on my 4th coffee already! We has that New Orleans weather today, hot and very nasty. Lord, I love central air! Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:46 PM I think you might be > mis-reading some forum posts. > > When refilling a tank directly from a faucet, like when using a Python > Water Change System, there is NO NEED to add a full tank dose of > dechlor.  Only add enough dechlor for the amount of water being > replaced.  You DO want to add this dose of dechlor to the tank before > starting the refill process or while doing the refill process.  I > usually add half the dose at the start and half in the middle... or > sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll just add the full replacement > dose at the start.  The dechlor > agent(s) will remain > diluted in the water waiting for a chlorine/chloramine atom and will > then attach to that atom and break it down. > > SeaChem's FAQ's on Prime may address this question but I've been ONLY > dosing the replacement water for many years with no problems.  I agree > with you about folks that add a full tank dose each time they do a > PWC... after many PWC's, this will result in a VERY HIGH level of > dechlor in the tank.  At some point, I suspect this inadvertent > overdosing would be harmful to the fish. > > BTW.. the Tylenol's in the linen closet behind the bottle of blue > pills. > Those should be kept together... right?  LOL  (UH OH... there goes my > warped sense of humor again! LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:22 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I > would like to > start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks.  I > have well water with a > pH of 5.5 to 5.8.  PWC's are at 25% once a week.  > Tanks have good water > parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as > yet. > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information.  So far all can say > for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then > according with each > water change, depending on if you use buckets, then > directly into the bucket > OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn.  If > your using water > direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank.  > This makes no sense to > me at all because I figure by months end, your going to > have one serious > concentration of this stuff in each tank!  Would this > be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me > EXACTLY , when you > are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is > greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol?  > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39762	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

On the Y part? Because I think I may have a metals problem. Not bad but there. With low pH and high acid, copper pipes do not last long here. How good do you think that is for fish? Just trying to be careful and safe. Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:06 PM > Well, I wouldn't dose the Prime when > you get it... presuming your tanks > already have dechlor?  Maybe you haven't been using > dechlor since you are on > well water... which brings up another issue... why are you > getting Prime? > See my previous answer to Amber in this thread about my two > choices of more > affordably priced dechlor products (mainly due to their > higher > concentration).  Prime is OK for using when cycling a > tank and more > importantly when cycling a tank with high pH water but you > shouldn't be > having either of those issues and even if you are having a > minor cycling > issue, with your low pH, the ammonia would have to get > REALLY HIGH for it be > dangerous to the fish.  Hopefully, I answered your > question and probably > have raised many more. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > No sweat on the blue pills, thats where they were alright. > <grin> > > Your answer was clear as water, except for just one little > sticking point > here in ol bills brain-housing assembly. > > I will be more specific.  Lets say the Prime is here. > Dose each full tank accordingly once, this week.  Next > Sunday or Monday > rolls around.  PWC time.  We ONLY dose according > to each water level > changed, correct?  Not telling you, asking you and I > am on my 4th coffee > already!  We has that New Orleans weather today, hot > and very nasty.  Lord, > I love central air! > > Bill > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:46 PM I think you > might be > > mis-reading some forum posts. > > > > When refilling a tank directly from a faucet, like > when using a Python > > Water Change System, there is NO NEED to add a full > tank dose of > > dechlor.  Only add enough dechlor for the amount of > water being > > replaced.  You DO want to add this dose of dechlor to > the tank before > > starting the refill process or while doing the refill > process.  I > > usually add half the dose at the start and half in the > middle... or > > sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll just add the full > replacement > > dose at the start.  The dechlor > > agent(s) will remain > > diluted in the water waiting for a chlorine/chloramine > atom and will > > then attach to that atom and break it down. > > > > SeaChem's FAQ's on Prime may address this question but > I've been ONLY > > dosing the replacement water for many years with no > problems.  I agree > > with you about folks that add a full tank dose each > time they do a > > PWC... after many PWC's, this will result in a VERY > HIGH level of > > dechlor in the tank.  At some point, I suspect this > inadvertent > > overdosing would be harmful to the fish. > > > > BTW.. the Tylenol's in the linen closet behind the > bottle of blue > > pills. > > Those should be kept together... right?  LOL  (UH > OH... there goes my > > warped sense of humor again! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I > > would like to > > start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks.  I > > have well water with a > > pH of 5.5 to 5.8.  PWC's are at 25% once a week.  > > Tanks have good water > > parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives > as > > yet. > > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem's web > > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > > information.  So far all can say > > for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then > > according with each > > water change, depending on if you use buckets, then > > directly into the bucket > > OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn.  > If > > your using water > > direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank.  > > This makes no sense to > > me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to > > have one serious > > concentration of this stuff in each tank!  Would > this > > be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me > > EXACTLY , when you > > are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, > any > > information is > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol?  > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39763	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

NOPE. I'm saying either API's or Top Fin's is the best... well at least it gives you the most for the money. Prime or other high priced dechlor products are over-kill in most situations, although Prime is a perfectly good product and I do recommend it for certain situations. All that is needed in most cases is a dechlor that has two chemicals... Sodium Thiosulfate (for the chlorine/chloramine) and EDTA (for the heavy metals). Anything else may be unnecessarily adding chemicals to your tank that simply are not needed. In your case, all you really need is the EDTA part for heavy metals since your well water does not have chlorine/chloramine. I'm not sure of a retail product that only has EDTA though so if you are simply buying it for treatment of heavy metals, then either the API or Top Fin product would do fine.. unless you can find a seller of just EDTA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" So Brother Len, Are you saying the Prime is best? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:50 PM Amber, > > Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy metals, > chlorine and chloramine nowadays.  I use either API's Tap Water > Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator.  They both ONLY > treat for chlorine/chloramine and heavy metals without adding any of > the other junk chemicals to a tank.  They are both more highly > concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of water, whereas many other products > require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet their prices for their 8 oz. > or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the other products of > similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to 10X more > dechlor for the dollar by using either of the above two products. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what > to do myself. > I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water > conditioner that I use > but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and I'd > rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I > need something that > removes metals from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. > Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any > additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months > end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in > each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39764	From: red-eye	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: 55 tank stand

Folks spray the heads to any desired color. Just "start" the screws to be sprayed into some wood and lightly spray. I have also primed them first - same way. If you are patient & think ahead it's really no trouble :-) Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand I agree. Drywall screws should only be used for drywall or other non-stress uses (like hanging a light weight picture). Deck screws (color matched to your wood) work fine. Stainless steel would be best. I did just go check my blog article about my DIY stand and I used "deck screws". I wasn't sure if I had designated that in my blog. I think I'll edit the blog to add the Zinc or Stainless Steel screws as other options. I wish I would have bought the color matched but I thought I was going to "finish" the stand so the screws wouldn't have shown up. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:14 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 55 tank stand A word of caution.. Do not use drywall screws! They are brittle & will snap under pressure. Instead as a minimum use a zinc plated screw. It's always easier to use a Phillips heads screw with a fillet head ( so it will recess). Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39765	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Already answered in another reply. Prime is still overkill for just treating heavy metals. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" On the Y part? Because I think I may have a metals problem. Not bad but there. With low pH and high acid, copper pipes do not last long here. How good do you think that is for fish? Just trying to be careful and safe. Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:06 PM > Well, I wouldn't dose the Prime when > you get it... presuming your tanks > already have dechlor?  Maybe you haven't been using dechlor since you > are on well water... which brings up another issue... why are you > getting Prime? > See my previous answer to Amber in this thread about my two choices of > more affordably priced dechlor products (mainly due to their higher > concentration).  Prime is OK for using when cycling a tank and more > importantly when cycling a tank with high pH water but you shouldn't > be having either of those issues and even if you are having a minor > cycling issue, with your low pH, the ammonia would have to get REALLY > HIGH for it be dangerous to the fish.  Hopefully, I answered your > question and probably have raised many more. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > No sweat on the blue pills, thats where they were alright. > <grin> > > Your answer was clear as water, except for just one little > sticking point > here in ol bills brain-housing assembly. > > I will be more specific.  Lets say the Prime is here. > Dose each full tank accordingly once, this week.  Next > Sunday or Monday > rolls around.  PWC time.  We ONLY dose according > to each water level > changed, correct?  Not telling you, asking you and I > am on my 4th coffee > already!  We has that New Orleans weather today, hot > and very nasty.  Lord, > I love central air! > > Bill > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:46 PM I think you > might be > > mis-reading some forum posts. > > > > When refilling a tank directly from a faucet, like > when using a Python > > Water Change System, there is NO NEED to add a full > tank dose of > > dechlor.  Only add enough dechlor for the amount of > water being > > replaced.  You DO want to add this dose of dechlor to > the tank before > > starting the refill process or while doing the refill > process.  I > > usually add half the dose at the start and half in the > middle... or > > sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll just add the full > replacement > > dose at the start.  The dechlor > > agent(s) will remain > > diluted in the water waiting for a chlorine/chloramine > atom and will > > then attach to that atom and break it down. > > > > SeaChem's FAQ's on Prime may address this question but > I've been ONLY > > dosing the replacement water for many years with no > problems.  I agree > > with you about folks that add a full tank dose each > time they do a > > PWC... after many PWC's, this will result in a VERY > HIGH level of > > dechlor in the tank.  At some point, I suspect this > inadvertent > > overdosing would be harmful to the fish. > > > > BTW.. the Tylenol's in the linen closet behind the > bottle of blue > > pills. > > Those should be kept together... right?  LOL  (UH > OH... there goes my > > warped sense of humor again! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:22 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I > > would like to > > start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks.  I > > have well water with a > > pH of 5.5 to 5.8.  PWC's are at 25% once a week.  > > Tanks have good water > > parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives > as > > yet. > > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem's web > > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > > information.  So far all can say > > for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then > > according with each > > water change, depending on if you use buckets, then > > directly into the bucket > > OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn.  > If > > your using water > > direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank.  > > This makes no sense to > > me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to > > have one serious > > concentration of this stuff in each tank!  Would > this > > be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me > > EXACTLY , when you > > are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, > any > > information is > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol?  > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39766	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: hiding bettas

Bettas 1 m & 1 f living in 40 gallon community tank w 5 rosy barbs and 3 corys have recently been hiding all the time. There is one "cave", and they take shifts using it. We only see one at a time. I haven't seen the female eat in days. Do I need to add more hiding places? should they be seperated (like opposite side of tank) or don't they care? Why have they changed their behavior? Diana

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39767	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Lenny, I thought it was the thiosulfate that removed the ammonia? What does Prime use to remove teh ammonia that API tap water conditioner does not have? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" NOPE. I'm saying either API's or Top Fin's is the best... well at least it gives you the most for the money. Prime or other high priced dechlor products are over-kill in most situations, although Prime is a perfectly good product and I do recommend it for certain situations. All that is needed in most cases is a dechlor that has two chemicals... Sodium Thiosulfate (for the chlorine/chloramine) and EDTA (for the heavy metals). Anything else may be unnecessarily adding chemicals to your tank that simply are not needed. In your case, all you really need is the EDTA part for heavy metals since your well water does not have chlorine/chloramine. I'm not sure of a retail product that only has EDTA though so if you are simply buying it for treatment of heavy metals, then either the API or Top Fin product would do fine.. unless you can find a seller of just EDTA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" So Brother Len, Are you saying the Prime is best? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:50 PM Amber, > > Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy metals, > chlorine and chloramine nowadays. I use either API's Tap Water > Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. They both ONLY > treat for chlorine/chloramine and heavy metals without adding any of > the other junk chemicals to a tank. They are both more highly > concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of water, whereas many other products > require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet their prices for their 8 oz. > or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the other products of > similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to 10X more > dechlor for the dollar by using either of the above two products. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what > to do myself. > I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water > conditioner that I use > but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and I'd > rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I > need something that > removes metals from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. > Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any > additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months > end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in > each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39768	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

According to Wikipedia, it may be coming from large pig farms in one part of Mexico that are mostly owned by one U.S. company. I'm not sure what that's based on beyond widespread knowledge that those farms were a disease outbreak waiting to happen. Traditionally things of this nature usually emerge from humans, pigs and poultry in too close contact in quarters that can't be kept clean. Most often Southeast Asia but not always. 1918/19 flu emerged from a small area of Kansas farmers with sod houses - don't know exactly what they were doing with the pigs and chickens. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy" <ntevidence@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; <Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com>; <Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... Lenny, Where is this coming from? The flu infection goes through bird (chicken, duck, goose, etc.)-pig-person, back and forth, which keeps it unpredictable and mutating with cross species strains. This is well know about the flu. It is a shared burden between us and our favorite white meats. The Obama administration is science based, so I would expect science based policy. So, with that in mind, I would see us destroying chickens and pigs (like they have had to do in Asia) before banning pets. Pets, other than pigs and ducks and chickens, have no part in this flu. Besides, this genie is out of the bottle, and there will be no stopping it now. It's all over North America. As far as HR 669, wasn't that introduced by a representative from Guam? Those people have to put up with a lot of destruction from invasive species, including the brown snake that gets into houses from the sewers (coming in through the toilets). People actually get bit on their behinds when they sit on the toilet by these snakes. I think HR 669 is over reaching, but I understand the concern. Imaging having to check the potty every time before your kids or spouse would use it. Image getting bitten on the behind when you are most vulnerable, and spilling coffee all over your Sunday Times book review. As for feeding off the public trough, teachers, firemen, police, and lots of good scientists and engineers are paid off the public trough . . . You will take my goldfish when you can pry it from my cold dead fingers. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com; Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a reason... You have to wonder if the chicken-little's up on Capital Hill will use this so-called Swine Flu outbreak as another nail in their attempts to pass HR 669? You know some of the co-sponsors of the legislation will use this as a way to try and keep diseases from coming in with all of these non-native species that we call pets. I guess I'll have to quit referring to goldfish as "little piggies" as some over zealous spineless politician might think that goldfish could carry swine flu. LOL You know they're going to use it in their quest to socialize health care in America and probably as another reason to raise our taxes... but I guess that's a whole 'nother subject. ;-) I just struck back at the pigs by cooking a nice pork roast! Oh.. when I just now said pigs, I wasn't talking about politicians or others who want to feed at the public trough... I meant that I struck back at real pigs... a/k/a swine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39769	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: hiding bettas

Male and female Bettas DO NOT get along most of the time and will often fight to the death. Often times, the female will beat up on the male as she is a faster swimmer since she doesn't have them fancy fins that slow down the male. They are usually only put together long enough to breed, then separated again. There are instances where they were born together and never separated where mixed/multiple males and females will get along OK. Multiple females usually get along fine. They are likely hiding from each other to avoid fighting but that is also stressing one or both of them out. It might be best to separate them, allowing one to live in the 40G and set up a 5G or 10G tank for the other one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brooks Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hiding bettas Bettas 1 m & 1 f living in 40 gallon community tank w 5 rosy barbs and 3 corys have recently been hiding all the time. There is one "cave", and they take shifts using it. We only see one at a time. I haven't seen the female eat in days. Do I need to add more hiding places? should they be seperated (like opposite side of tank) or don't they care? Why have they changed their behavior? Diana

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39770	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Nothing actually "removes" the ammonia in Prime. Prime does contain some proprietary (meaning undisclosed) ingredients that turns the ammonia into a less toxic ammonium type substance. Sodium thiosulfate is used for dechlorinating the water. The last time I looked at Prime's MSDS, it listed the S.T. and EDTA but then listed other ingredients as proprietary so I do not know what it has other than those two ingredients. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Lenny, I thought it was the thiosulfate that removed the ammonia? What does Prime use to remove teh ammonia that API tap water conditioner does not have? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" NOPE. I'm saying either API's or Top Fin's is the best... well at least it gives you the most for the money. Prime or other high priced dechlor products are over-kill in most situations, although Prime is a perfectly good product and I do recommend it for certain situations. All that is needed in most cases is a dechlor that has two chemicals... Sodium Thiosulfate (for the chlorine/chloramine) and EDTA (for the heavy metals). Anything else may be unnecessarily adding chemicals to your tank that simply are not needed. In your case, all you really need is the EDTA part for heavy metals since your well water does not have chlorine/chloramine. I'm not sure of a retail product that only has EDTA though so if you are simply buying it for treatment of heavy metals, then either the API or Top Fin product would do fine.. unless you can find a seller of just EDTA. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" So Brother Len, Are you saying the Prime is best? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:50 PM Amber, > > Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy metals, > chlorine and chloramine nowadays. I use either API's Tap Water > Conditioner or Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator. They both ONLY > treat for chlorine/chloramine and heavy metals without adding any of > the other junk chemicals to a tank. They are both more highly > concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of water, whereas many other products > require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet their prices for their 8 oz. > or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the other products of > similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to 10X more > dechlor for the dollar by using either of the above two products. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what > to do myself. > I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water > conditioner that I use > but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and I'd > rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I > need something that > removes metals from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. > Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any > additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web > site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months > end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in > each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39771	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”

I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most expensive shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other choice :( So it can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big orders. I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, their shipping prices are more reasonable. Thanks Bill, Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please forgive. > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members but when you go onto > the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, and none of > them are the same. > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along the same lines here > with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes from Foster's and > Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 on orders under > 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to beat. They do > not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time and in tact. > They have the Prime.. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > > I'd be wondering what to do > > myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the > > water > > conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry anything > > else. I > > currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not have > > something with aloe > > added to it ;) But I need something that removes metals > > from the water too. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > > and I would like > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > > have well water > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once > > a week. Tanks have good > > > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using > > any additives as yet. > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s > > web site and all over > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > > So far all can > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > > then according > > > with each water change, depending on if you use > > buckets, then directly > > > into > > > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take > > a wrong turn. If your > > > using > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > > tank. This makes no > > > sense > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, your > > going to have one > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! > > Would this be over > > > doing it? > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > > me EXACTLY , > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > > using, any > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39772	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”

I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most expensive shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other choice :( So it can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big orders. I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, their shipping prices are more reasonable. Thanks Bill, Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please forgive. > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members but when you go onto > the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, and none of > them are the same. > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along the same lines here > with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes from Foster's and > Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 on orders under > 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to beat. They do > not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time and in tact. > They have the Prime.. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > > I'd be wondering what to do > > myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the > > water > > conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry anything > > else. I > > currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not have > > something with aloe > > added to it ;) But I need something that removes metals > > from the water too. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > > and I would like > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > > have well water > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once > > a week. Tanks have good > > > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using > > any additives as yet. > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s > > web site and all over > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > > So far all can > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > > then according > > > with each water change, depending on if you use > > buckets, then directly > > > into > > > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take > > a wrong turn. If your > > > using > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > > tank. This makes no > > > sense > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, your > > going to have one > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! > > Would this be over > > > doing it? > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > > me EXACTLY , > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > > using, any > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39773	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Thanks Lenny, I will take a peek and see what I kind find. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Amber, > > Nearly every dechlor product will also treat for heavy metals, > chlorine and > chloramine nowadays. I use either API's Tap Water Conditioner or Top Fin's > Tap Water Dechlorinator. They both ONLY treat for chlorine/chloramine and > heavy metals without adding any of the other junk chemicals to a tank. > They > are both more highly concentrated so 1ml treats 10G of water, whereas many > other products require 5ml or even 10ml per 10G... yet their prices for > their 8 oz. or 16 oz. bottles are similarly priced to the other > products of > similar size... so technically, you would be getting 5X to 10X more > dechlor > for the dollar by using either of the above two products. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:31 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. > I'd like to know because I'd like to switch the water conditioner that > I use > but my LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use stress coat, > and I'd > rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I need > something that > removes metals from the water too. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39774	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Check http://www.BigAlsOnline.com also. They started out in Canada but also have USA stores now but maybe they'll be less expensive if they have a warehouse closer to Alaska. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most expensive shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other choice :( So it can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big orders. I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, their shipping prices are more reasonable. Thanks Bill, Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please forgive. > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members but when you go > onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, and none > of them are the same. > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along the same lines > here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes from Foster's > and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 on orders > under 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to beat. > They do not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time and in tact. > They have the Prime.. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM Poor bill, that does sound > > confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. I'd like to know > > because I'd like to switch the water conditioner that I use but my > > LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use stress coat, and > > I'd rather not have something with aloe added to it ;) But I need > > something that removes metals from the water too. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered > > and I would like > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I > > have well water > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once > > a week. Tanks have good > > > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using > > any additives as yet. > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s > > web site and all over > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. > > So far all can > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and > > then according > > > with each water change, depending on if you use > > buckets, then directly > > > into > > > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take > > a wrong turn. If your > > > using > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > > tank. This makes no > > > sense > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, your > > going to have one > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! > > Would this be over > > > doing it? > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell > > me EXACTLY , > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are > > using, any > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39775	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Amber, got 1st mail on price? Maybe you should check again? also That Fish Place.. Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:53 PM > I try not to use DRs foster and smith > as they use the most expensive > shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other > choice :( So it > can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big > orders. > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, > their shipping > prices are more reasonable. > Thanks Bill, > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please > forgive. > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members > but when you go onto > > the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, > and none of > > them are the same. > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along > the same lines here > > with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes > from Foster's and > > Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 > on orders under > > 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to > beat. They do > > not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time > and in tact. > > They have the Prime.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Primeâ€� > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > > > I'd be wondering what to do > > > myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to > switch the > > > water > > > conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry > anything > > > else. I > > > currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not > have > > > something with aloe > > > added to it ;) But I need something that removes > metals > > > from the water too. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > delivered > > > and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > PWC’s are at 25% once > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter’s right now > and I am NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem’s > > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information. > > > So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank > once and > > > then according > > > > with each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly > > > > into > > > > the bucket OR, and here’s > the part where I take > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > using > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole > > > tank. This makes no > > > > sense > > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, > your > > > going to have one > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank! > > > Would this be over > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now > please tell > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > you are > > > using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39776	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Hey Len, There is one for discussion that would help Amber and a lot of us. Item + Shipping ? Ok who has the best prices on line? Big Al? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:12 PM > Check http://www.BigAlsOnline.com also.  They started > out in Canada but also have USA stores now but maybe they'll > be less expensive if they have a warehouse closer to > Alaska. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most > expensive shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no > other choice :( So it can be outrageous to get stuff from > them, so I make big orders. > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, > their shipping prices are more reasonable. > Thanks Bill, > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please > forgive. > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members > but when you go > > onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a > story, and none > > of them are the same. > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along > the same lines > > here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy > comes from Foster's > > and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is > 9.99 on orders > > under 60.00 and even with that added in the price is > hard to beat. > > They do not sell junk and the orders are here in a > weeks time and in tact. > > They have the Prime.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Primeâ€� > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM Poor bill, > that does sound > > > confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. > I'd like to know > > > because I'd like to switch the water conditioner > that I use but my > > > LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and > > > I'd rather not have something with aloe added to > it ;) But I need > > > something that removes metals from the water > too. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > delivered > > > and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > PWC’s are at 25% once > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter’s right now > and I am NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem’s > > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information. > > > So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank > once and > > > then according > > > > with each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly > > > > into > > > > the bucket OR, and here’s > the part where I take > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > using > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole > > > tank. This makes no > > > > sense > > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, > your > > > going to have one > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank! > > > Would this be over > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now > please tell > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > you are > > > using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39777	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

You just have to check them all. http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.BigAlsOnline.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com, http://www.MarineDepot.com, http://www.PetsMart.com (use to be good) are some of the ones that I've used or seen highly recommended over the years. Oftentimes, one will have stuff on sale with a higher shipping price than another site that has a higher retail price but then lower or free shipping. When I'm doing my online shopping, I'll go to 2-3 sites and start filling up my shopping cart with identical or comparable items and then compare the final totals including shipping before making my final choice. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” Hey Len, There is one for discussion that would help Amber and a lot of us. Item + Shipping ? Ok who has the best prices on line? Big Al? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:12 PM > Check http://www.BigAlsOnline.com also. They started out in Canada > but also have USA stores now but maybe they'll be less expensive if > they have a warehouse closer to Alaska. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime†> > I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most expensive > shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other choice :( So > it can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big orders. > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, their shipping > prices are more reasonable. > Thanks Bill, > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please > forgive. > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members > but when you go > > onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a > story, and none > > of them are the same. > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along > the same lines > > here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy > comes from Foster's > > and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is > 9.99 on orders > > under 60.00 and even with that added in the price is > hard to beat. > > They do not sell junk and the orders are here in a > weeks time and in tact. > > They have the Prime.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Prime†> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM Poor bill, > that does sound > > > confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. > I'd like to know > > > because I'd like to switch the water conditioner > that I use but my > > > LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and > > > I'd rather not have something with aloe added to > it ;) But I need > > > something that removes metals from the water > too. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > delivered > > > and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > PWC’s are at 25% once > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter’s right now > and I am NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem’s > > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information. > > > So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank > once and > > > then according > > > > with each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly > > > > into > > > > the bucket OR, and here’s > the part where I take > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > using > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole > > > tank. This makes no > > > > sense > > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, > your > > > going to have one > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank! > > > Would this be over > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now > please tell > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > you are > > > using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39778	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Gotcha, Thats all I do too. But it seems, like you point out, item on sale? Slightly higher shipping. Thats why for Foster & Smith, shipping always the same, sale or other wise. Thanks, Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:52 PM > You just have to check them > all.  http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com, http://www.BigAlsOnline.com, http://www.ThatFishPlace.com, http://www.MarineDepot.com, http://www.PetsMart..com (use to be good) are some of > the ones that I've used or seen highly recommended over the > years.  Oftentimes, one will have stuff on sale with a > higher shipping price than another site that has a higher > retail price but then lower or free shipping.  When I'm > doing my online shopping, I'll go to 2-3 sites and start > filling up my shopping cart with identical or comparable > items and then compare the final totals including shipping > before making my final choice. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > > Hey Len, > > There is one for discussion that would help Amber and a lot > of us. > > Item + Shipping ?  Ok who has the best prices on > line?  Big Al? > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:12 PM > > Check http://www.BigAlsOnline.com also.  > They started out in Canada > > but also have USA stores now but maybe they'll be less > expensive if > > they have a warehouse closer to Alaska. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Prime†> > > > I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the > most expensive > > shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no > other choice :( So > > it can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make > big orders. > > > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they > have, their shipping > > prices are more reasonable. > > Thanks Bill, > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, > please > > forgive. > > > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior > members > > but when you go > > > onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem > has a > > story, and none > > > of them are the same. > > > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems > along > > the same lines > > > here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I > buy > > comes from Foster's > > > and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, > shipping is > > 9.99 on orders > > > under 60.00 and even with that added in the price > is > > hard to beat. > > > They do not sell junk and the orders are here in > a > > weeks time and in tact. > > > They have the Prime.. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > > “Prime†> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM Poor > bill, > > that does sound > > > > confusing, I'd be wondering what to do > myself. > > I'd like to know > > > > because I'd like to switch the water > conditioner > > that I use but my > > > > LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently > use > > stress coat, and > > > > I'd rather not have something with aloe > added to > > it ;) But I need > > > > something that removes metals from the > water > > too. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting > Prime > > delivered > > > > and I would like > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > > have well water > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > > PWC’s are at 25% > once > > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > > water > parameter’s right now > > and I am NOT using > > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > > Seachem’s > > > > web site and all over > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to > rather > > information. > > > > So far all can > > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of > a > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole > tank > > once and > > > > then according > > > > > with each water change, depending on if > you > > use > > > > buckets, then directly > > > > > into > > > > > the bucket OR, and > here’s > > the part where I take > > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > > using > > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then > dose the > > whole > > > > tank. This makes no > > > > > sense > > > > > to me at all because I figure by months > end, > > your > > > > going to have one > > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in > each > > tank! > > > > Would this be over > > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right > now > > please tell > > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how > much > > you are > > > > using, any > > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39779	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vi

Has anyone tried using vitamin c tablets to remove the chloramines? Would vitamin c be beneficial to the guppies? Kate Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39780	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o

The LFS here put in a vitamin tab for the molly's and they all started to die, I'd shy away from it myself, but that's because I'm extra careful what I add to my tanks. Amber toddswoman496861@... wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone tried using vitamin c tablets to remove the chloramines? > Would vitamin > c be beneficial to the guppies? > > Kate Dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39781	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”

They don't use the post office to ship to Alaska, they use fed ex, and won't use my own fed ex account number, otherwise I wouldn't mind so much, but it's not cheap to fed ex stuff here without a discount. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Amber, > > got 1st mail on price? Maybe you should check again? > also That Fish Place.. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:53 PM > > I try not to use DRs foster and smith > > as they use the most expensive > > shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no other > > choice :( So it > > can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I make big > > orders. > > > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, > > their shipping > > prices are more reasonable. > > Thanks Bill, > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please > > forgive. > > > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members > > but when you go onto > > > the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a story, > > and none of > > > them are the same. > > > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along > > the same lines here > > > with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy comes > > from Foster's and > > > Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is 9.99 > > on orders under > > > 60.00 and even with that added in the price is hard to > > beat. They do > > > not sell junk and the orders are here in a weeks time > > and in tact. > > > They have the Prime.. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > > “Primeâ€� > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > > > > I'd be wondering what to do > > > > myself. I'd like to know because I'd like to > > switch the > > > > water > > > > conditioner that I use but my LFS doesn't carry > > anything > > > > else. I > > > > currently use stress coat, and I'd rather not > > have > > > > something with aloe > > > > added to it ;) But I need something that removes > > metals > > > > from the water too. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > > delivered > > > > and I would like > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > > have well water > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > > PWC’s are at 25% once > > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > > water parameter’s right now > > and I am NOT using > > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > > Seachem’s > > > > web site and all over > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > > information. > > > > So far all can > > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank > > once and > > > > then according > > > > > with each water change, depending on if you > > use > > > > buckets, then directly > > > > > into > > > > > the bucket OR, and here’s > > the part where I take > > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > > using > > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > > whole > > > > tank. This makes no > > > > > sense > > > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, > > your > > > > going to have one > > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each > > tank! > > > > Would this be over > > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now > > please tell > > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > > you are > > > > using, any > > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > > when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > > TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > > -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > , > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter. > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > > instead of > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > > option by > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > > page. > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > > posts at a > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > > able to > > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39782	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o

Not a fish expert, but it seems that would have a big affect on pH, even if the vitC in itself weren't harmful. I used to use vitC capsules to keep one of my cats from getting kidney stones. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: <toddswoman496861@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vitamn C to remove chloramine Has anyone tried using vitamin c tablets to remove the chloramines? Would vitamin c be beneficial to the guppies? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39783	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates in the tank basically. I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control and only use my daylight 10k lights? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, eating > dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it makes > sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using up the > nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that duckweed in > there ;) > The ammonia reading was only tinted very slightly above the normal 0 on > the chart, so I'm not sure if I was just in bad lighting or if it was > really just 0. > Will retest to make sure. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish last > > week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of the > bioload. > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > mini-cycle > > that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the minute amount of > > ammonia > > created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 fish already in the tank > would > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the > > capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your > case, > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate > > for the > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and the > > added > > ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish to a tank > that > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already done > > so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 > > Nitrites were 0 > > Nitrates were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, but > > since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it out? > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was harmful > > > to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I should. I will > > > check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has time to build up) > > > to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, will also test > > > everything else as well and let you know. The tank should be plenty > > > cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 gallon tank and > > that was > > weeks ago. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could have > > > > introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The good news is > > > > that green > > > water > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm not > > > certain > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just in > > > case it > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days as I > > > still > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > > > overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank I > > > > > got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change the > > > > > lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the lighting by > > > > > a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours for the 10k and 9 > > > > > hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower it more to get rid of > > > > > the algae or will it hurt my plants? The algae is floating in the > > > > > water so I have green water now > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39784	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)

Yes, i have been working with him, but he is more of a book person when it comes to learning. We started with White clouds and one tank. After a few months my mom bought 2 red ear slider turtles for my son, which is great for eating snails. We took a trip out of town and the turtles ended up at my mom's house (i avoided picking it up). Once she realized after 4 months they were already bigger than your hand, it was time to get rid of them. She traded them for a rabbit(my son thought this was a wonderful trade. After the turtles were gone she gave us the tank that they were inhabiting ( a nice 10 gal.). We have a steel aquarium stand with one above and one below, both are 10 gal. tanks. we have outboard power filters for both tanks. Top tanks has a top fin 10, which is the original with the tank and is a great filter for our tank. It has lasted thru white clouds, neons, and now guppies( i believe we are on 5th generation of guppies, as the smaller ones get eaten, they have more babies). The top tank had 3 or 4 generations of white clouds (they are extremely small when first born), when we got a 2" algae eater (or we were told that is was) it consumed all of the white clouds(8 or 9 adults and 10 or 12 very small less than 2 months old). I seen a few each day were gone. I thought at first, that they were hiding in the plants or maybe got sucked up into the filter, but they were no were to be seen. Then one night i was putting my son to bed and notice some activity in the tank. When i turned on the light i watch it attack the white clouds. I thought this was a little strange, but figured it was an algae eater, so it would not eat the others (boy was i surprised a few days later when there was no white clouds at all). Well by this time the bottom tank had been cycling for about 4 weeks, and the plants were growing good. Now it was time to restock the top tank and bottom tank (with out the algae eater). This time my son wanted some neons, we got 10 and put half in each tank. I was surprised when i got a second batch a few weeks later, i noticed about 20 miniature neons. I knew this could not be too good if i over populate the tanks. An amazing thing if you don't feed the adults they will eat the smaller ones. So with population back in control, every few weeks they had more babies. This was about the time we had the hurricanes here in Fla in 2004. We lost power for 3 days, well with out the filter pumps running i lost all but 2 or 3 neons(i must be lucky they never reproduced after that, or i ended up with all boys or all girls). So now it was time to start again. the top tank that still had fish in it, i did a 60% water change and added more plants from the bottom tank to the top tank (yes i know, i should have done other things, but i figured if they could survive it would be amazing). The added plants (maybe over planted at this time) seemed to grow like weeds, and the fish continued to seem healthy and showed no signs of problems. I believe the plants help stabilize the tanks. After all that i only seen a small amount of ammonia and nitrates, after the water change. After another 4 weeks or removing large masses of plants back to the bottom tank, i was ready to start again. This time we have just plain guppies and 4 platies. the platies are in the top tank along with 6 guppies. There are about 10 guppies in the bottom tank. They have been doing good, over the last few years I have not to add any fish. We have talked about getting some different fish for a change. I do believe that with the plants, i can add many more fish then with just a filter. Even when i had over populated tanks, i rarely seen any increase to ammonia or nitrates. I have these plants for so long i don't even remember what they are (second reason for checking out some books). I may not be doing things 100% right, but seem to work for me. Thanks for all the good input, Tom Tishken --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Books? If you have been keeping things going for 4 years, it is > bonding time as you teach him what he needs to know... Well that is > my thought anyway... > > Libraries have all kinds of books to take out, just look for the newer > copyrights... > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39785	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o

I'm not sure how Vitamin C would break down and/or remove chloramines. Do you have a web reference? Many of our fish foods are already vitamin enriched. I'm not sure how much vitamin C they would need and like us humans, overdosing vitamins can be just as bad as not getting enough so I wouldn't suggest experimenting. There are DIY Gel Foods where some folks have added ground up vitamins to the mix but I haven't done that. Usually the ingredients in DIY Gel Foods are already healthy enough and I usually throw in all of the left over fish foods that I have anyhow so the vitamins in those would go into the DIY Gel Food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vitamn C to remove chloramine Has anyone tried using vitamin c tablets to remove the chloramines? Would vitamin c be beneficial to the guppies? Kate Dale

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39786	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water without it... which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also help to ingas O2. If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level temporarily. When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and then agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates in the tank basically. I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control and only use my daylight 10k lights? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that duckweed > in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very slightly above > the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was just in bad > lighting or if it was really just 0. > Will retest to make sure. > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > the > bioload. > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 > > fish already in the tank > would > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the > > capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your > case, > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate > > for the > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish > > to a tank > that > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already > > done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates were > > between 0 and 5 ppm. > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, > > but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it out? > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has > > > time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, > > > will also test everything else as well and let you know. The tank > > > should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 > > > gallon tank and > > that was > > weeks ago. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > good news is that green > > > water > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > not > > > certain > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > in > > > case it > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > as I > > > still > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > > > overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank > > > > > I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change > > > > > the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the > > > > > lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours > > > > > for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower > > > > > it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my plants? The > > > > > algae is floating in the water so I have green water now > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39787	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my tanks. But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them into the XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > PWC's > should remove water with suspended algae and add back water without it... > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something in > your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous compounds > (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would then just > help to > feed the suspended algae that remained. > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > water > splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under water. The > splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also help to > ingas O2. > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's could > actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level temporarily. > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > the big > tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to waterfall into > the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to agitate a little before > it flows out the end of the big tube and then agitates some more when it > splashes into the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the floating > algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me know ;) LOL I > retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the first time, as it > was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates in the tank basically. > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > should > I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control and only use > my daylight 10k lights? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that duckweed > > in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very slightly above > > the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was just in bad > > lighting or if it was really just 0. > > Will retest to make sure. > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > the > > bioload. > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 > > > fish already in the tank > > would > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the > > > capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your > > case, > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate > > > for the > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish > > > to a tank > > that > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already > > > done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates were > > > between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, > > > but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > out? > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has > > > > time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, > > > > will also test everything else as well and let you know. The tank > > > > should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 > > > > gallon tank and > > > that was > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > > good news is that green > > > > water > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > > not > > > > certain > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > > in > > > > case it > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > > as I > > > > still > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > > > > overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank > > > > > > I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change > > > > > > the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the > > > > > > lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours > > > > > > for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower > > > > > > it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my plants? The > > > > > > algae is floating in the water so I have green water now > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39788	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

10-4 I understand. You have to go with what works for you there, Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 5:40 PM > They don't use the post office to > ship to Alaska, they use fed ex, and > won't use my own fed ex account number, otherwise I > wouldn't mind so > much, but it's not cheap to fed ex stuff here without a > discount. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > got 1st mail on price? Maybe you should check again? > > also That Fish Place.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Primeâ€� > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:53 PM > > > I try not to use DRs foster and smith > > > as they use the most expensive > > > shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have > no other > > > choice :( So it > > > can be outrageous to get stuff from them, so I > make big > > > orders. > > > > > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they > have, > > > their shipping > > > prices are more reasonable. > > > Thanks Bill, > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer > Amber, please > > > forgive. > > > > > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior > members > > > but when you go onto > > > > the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem > has a story, > > > and none of > > > > them are the same. > > > > > > > > Know where you live and sort of have > problems along > > > the same lines here > > > > with LPS. To that end, amost everything I > buy comes > > > from Foster's and > > > > Smith. Their prices are not that bad, > shipping is 9.99 > > > on orders under > > > > 60.00 and even with that added in the price > is hard to > > > beat. They do > > > > not sell junk and the orders are here in a > weeks time > > > and in tact. > > > > They have the Prime.. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > > > “Prime� > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > Poor bill, that does sound confusing, > > > > > I'd be wondering what to do > > > > > myself. I'd like to know because I'd > like to > > > switch the > > > > > water > > > > > conditioner that I use but my LFS > doesn't carry > > > anything > > > > > else. I > > > > > currently use stress coat, and I'd > rather not > > > have > > > > > something with aloe > > > > > added to it ;) But I need something > that removes > > > metals > > > > > from the water too. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be > getting Prime > > > delivered > > > > > and I would like > > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long > and > > > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > > > have well water > > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > > > PWC’s are at > 25% once > > > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > > > water > parameter’s right now > > > and I am NOT using > > > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been > on > > > Seachem’s > > > > > web site and all over > > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to > rather > > > information. > > > > > So far all can > > > > > > say for sure is that I have one > heck of a > > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the > whole tank > > > once and > > > > > then according > > > > > > with each water change, depending > on if you > > > use > > > > > buckets, then directly > > > > > > into > > > > > > the bucket OR, and > here’s > > > the part where I take > > > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > > > using > > > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, > then dose the > > > whole > > > > > tank. This makes no > > > > > > sense > > > > > > to me at all because I figure by > months end, > > > your > > > > > going to have one > > > > > > serious concentration of this > stuff in each > > > tank! > > > > > Would this be over > > > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff > right now > > > please tell > > > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > > > when you are using this and > EXACTLY how much > > > you are > > > > > using, any > > > > > > information is greatly > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING > below it > > > when > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > > > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, > DELETE all TEXT > > > that is > > > > > NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the > > > TOPIC of > > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > > , > > > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP > in this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups > emails, > > > instead of > > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery > > > option by > > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive the digest, which includes > up to 25 > > > posts at a > > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will > still be > > > able to > > > > > read messages on the group and post > replies. > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39789	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)

Do you know what kind of algae eater? There's no such thing as just an "algae eater". There are literally hundreds of species of fish that are well known to be algae eaters... but most of them are omnivores so they need a varied diet as well. Often, they will turn on other fish if the owner is not feeding them properly. Did you get my last reply about the free website tutorials? It would be a way for him to further his navigation skills of websites and learn some good and practical information. Good books are good also but just like with websites, you have to make sure the book is "good". There are a LOT of fish books out there that give absolutely horrible advice. I can vouch for the two free tutorial sites that I have recommended on my blog. Heck, the entire "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page on my blog is a good place for beginners and skilled fish keepers to find good information. Yes, that 10G tank would not have been a very good home for even one RES turtle. They get to around 10" in diameter... as big as a dinner plate... and a single RES needs at least a 55G tank and even that would require almost daily cleaning. A 72" x 18" footprint would be the least I would ever do for a single RES just so I'm not doing tank maintenance all the time. You should also check out the article I have on my blog called "Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" which goes through a LOT of fish that are suitable for a 10G tank and suggested options for stocking that would work long term. I can tell you that livebearers are not usually a good thing for 10G tanks.. unless you have all males or females... as they can quickly become an overpopulation problem which then causes water quality or stunting issues in the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants) Yes, i have been working with him, but he is more of a book person when it comes to learning. We started with White clouds and one tank. After a few months my mom bought 2 red ear slider turtles for my son, which is great for eating snails. We took a trip out of town and the turtles ended up at my mom's house (i avoided picking it up). Once she realized after 4 months they were already bigger than your hand, it was time to get rid of them. She traded them for a rabbit(my son thought this was a wonderful trade. After the turtles were gone she gave us the tank that they were inhabiting ( a nice 10 gal.). We have a steel aquarium stand with one above and one below, both are 10 gal. tanks. we have outboard power filters for both tanks. Top tanks has a top fin 10, which is the original with the tank and is a great filter for our tank. It has lasted thru white clouds, neons, and now guppies( i believe we are on 5th generation of guppies, as the smaller ones get eaten, they have more babies). The top tank had 3 or 4 generations of white clouds (they are extremely small when first born), when we got a 2" algae eater (or we were told that is was) it consumed all of the white clouds(8 or 9 adults and 10 or 12 very small less than 2 months old). I seen a few each day were gone. I thought at first, that they were hiding in the plants or maybe got sucked up into the filter, but they were no were to be seen. Then one night i was putting my son to bed and notice some activity in the tank. When i turned on the light i watch it attack the white clouds. I thought this was a little strange, but figured it was an algae eater, so it would not eat the others (boy was i surprised a few days later when there was no white clouds at all). Well by this time the bottom tank had been cycling for about 4 weeks, and the plants were growing good. Now it was time to restock the top tank and bottom tank (with out the algae eater). This time my son wanted some neons, we got 10 and put half in each tank. I was surprised when i got a second batch a few weeks later, i noticed about 20 miniature neons. I knew this could not be too good if i over populate the tanks. An amazing thing if you don't feed the adults they will eat the smaller ones. So with population back in control, every few weeks they had more babies. This was about the time we had the hurricanes here in Fla in 2004. We lost power for 3 days, well with out the filter pumps running i lost all but 2 or 3 neons(i must be lucky they never reproduced after that, or i ended up with all boys or all girls). So now it was time to start again. the top tank that still had fish in it, i did a 60% water change and added more plants from the bottom tank to the top tank (yes i know, i should have done other things, but i figured if they could survive it would be amazing). The added plants (maybe over planted at this time) seemed to grow like weeds, and the fish continued to seem healthy and showed no signs of problems. I believe the plants help stabilize the tanks. After all that i only seen a small amount of ammonia and nitrates, after the water change. After another 4 weeks or removing large masses of plants back to the bottom tank, i was ready to start again. This time we have just plain guppies and 4 platies. the platies are in the top tank along with 6 guppies. There are about 10 guppies in the bottom tank. They have been doing good, over the last few years I have not to add any fish. We have talked about getting some different fish for a change. I do believe that with the plants, i can add many more fish then with just a filter. Even when i had over populated tanks, i rarely seen any increase to ammonia or nitrates. I have these plants for so long i don't even remember what they are (second reason for checking out some books). I may not be doing things 100% right, but seem to work for me. Thanks for all the good input, Tom Tishken --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Books? If you have been keeping things going for 4 years, it is > bonding time as you teach him what he needs to know... Well that is > my thought anyway... > > Libraries have all kinds of books to take out, just look for the newer > copyrights...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39790	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles forming. Try refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to either splash into the tank or against a glass before going into the tank. This will help outgas the tap water much better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my tanks. But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them into the XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water > without it... > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also > help to ingas O2. > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level temporarily. > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to > waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to > agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and then > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the > first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates in the tank basically. > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that > > duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > Will retest to make sure. > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > the > > bioload. > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > would > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in > > > your > > case, > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > compensate for the > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 > > > fish to a tank > > that > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates > > > were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini > > > cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > out? > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank > > > > has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other > > > > issues, will also test everything else as well and let you know. > > > > The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media > > > > from the 125 gallon tank and > > > that was > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > > good news is that green > > > > water > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > > not > > > > certain > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > > in > > > > case it > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > > as I > > > > still > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all > > > > > my overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the > > > > > > tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't > > > > > > change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered > > > > > > the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 > > > > > > hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should > > > > > > I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my > > > > > > plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > > > > > water now > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39791	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

I find that’s it’s different from time to time and item to item. I usually compare Dr. F&S, Big Al’s and TFP. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” Hey Len, There is one for discussion that would help Amber and a lot of us. Item + Shipping ? Ok who has the best prices on line? Big Al? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:12 PM > Check http://www.BigAlsOn <http://www.BigAlsOnline.com> line.com also. They started > out in Canada but also have USA stores now but maybe they'll > be less expensive if they have a warehouse closer to > Alaska. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:52 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > I try not to use DRs foster and smith as they use the most > expensive shipping option to get stuff to Alaska, we have no > other choice :( So it can be outrageous to get stuff from > them, so I make big orders. > > I'm going to check marine depot and see what they have, > their shipping prices are more reasonable. > Thanks Bill, > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Trying a test hear here with your answer Amber, please > forgive. > > > > This stuff comes recommended here by senior members > but when you go > > onto the Internet, everyone, including SeaChem has a > story, and none > > of them are the same. > > > > Know where you live and sort of have problems along > the same lines > > here with LPS. To that end, amost everything I buy > comes from Foster's > > and Smith. Their prices are not that bad, shipping is > 9.99 on orders > > under 60.00 and even with that added in the price is > hard to beat. > > They do not sell junk and the orders are here in a > weeks time and in tact. > > They have the Prime.. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > “Primeâ€� > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:30 PM Poor bill, > that does sound > > > confusing, I'd be wondering what to do myself. > I'd like to know > > > because I'd like to switch the water conditioner > that I use but my > > > LFS doesn't carry anything else. I currently use > stress coat, and > > > I'd rather not have something with aloe added to > it ;) But I need > > > something that removes metals from the water > too. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > delivered > > > and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon tanks. I > > > have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. > PWC’s are at 25% once > > > a week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter’s right now > and I am NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem’s > > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information. > > > So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank > once and > > > then according > > > > with each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly > > > > into > > > > the bucket OR, and here’s > the part where I take > > > a wrong turn. If your > > > > using > > > > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the > whole > > > tank. This makes no > > > > sense > > > > to me at all because I figure by months end, > your > > > going to have one > > > > serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank! > > > Would this be over > > > > doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now > please tell > > > me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much > you are > > > using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where’s the Tylenol? > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39792	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

I see that this went South on shipping and handling, but I will tell you how and why I use and then try to get others to answer on the original track. I just apply the stuff to buckets of water. I do not stand behind the water waste of the python, but I can clearly see the convenience of the device. Do not shoot me folks, it is easy to take the high road when the low road is not available. At work I could not use one as the hose would be across hallways, and impede our customers at a hospital. Not where I wish to go when it is only by a thread that I hold my rights to have an aquarium in my office as it is, My question, and as I saw your original post. If you overdose this and then add water with chlorine and heavy metals in it will it still wipe them out? Does it have a negative effect if over dosed some or allot? Questions that I would like the answer to as well, so this is why I drag this back on point... On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to > start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a > pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water > parameter’s right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say > for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious > concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you > are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is > greatly appreciated. > > Where’s the Tylenol? > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39793	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use o

it is just a question someone else had asked. and they gave no web reference at all. I just think it is weird and not true Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 5:54 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] got this from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vitamn C to remove chloramine I'm not sure how Vitamin C would break down and/or remove chloramines. Do you have a web reference? Many of our fish foods are already vitamin enriched. I'm not sure how much vitamin C they would need and like us humans, overdosing vitamins can be just as bad as not getting enough so I wouldn't suggest experimenting. There are DIY Gel Foods where some folks have added ground up vitamins to the mix but I haven't done that. Usually the ingredients in DIY Gel Foods are already healthy enough and I usually throw in all of the left over fish foods that I have anyhow so the vitamins in those would go into the DIY Gel Food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toddswoman496861@... Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] got this=2 0from another group I am in. Seems a bit odd to me Use of Vitamn C to remove chloramine Has anyone tried using vitamin c tablets to remove the chloramines? Would vitamin c be beneficial to the guppies? Kate Dale ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39794	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39795	From: gail	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I think that is the hardest part "not seeing your fish" I think we are truly blessed to have this group of experts and communication. I went to my LFS and my Petsmart, neither one could pinpoint my Green Water problem. They gave me poor advice, like turn off your lights and stop feeding your fish. Neither one was a solution.   I hope all goes well for you! Good luck!!   -gail --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:08 PM Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my tanks. But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them into the XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > PWC's > should remove water with suspended algae and add back water without it... > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something in > your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous compounds > (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates.. . which would then just > help to > feed the suspended algae that remained. > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > water > splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under water. The > splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also help to > ingas O2. > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's could > actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level temporarily. > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > the big > tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to waterfall into > the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to agitate a little before > it flows out the end of the big tube and then agitates some more when it > splashes into the tank. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the floating > algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me know ;) LOL I > retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the first time, as it > was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates in the tank basically. > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > should > I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control and only use > my daylight 10k lights? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that duckweed > > in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very slightly above > > the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was just in bad > > lighting or if it was really just 0. > > Will retest to make sure. > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > the > > bioload. > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the 20 > > > fish already in the tank > > would > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have the > > > capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in your > > case, > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to compensate > > > for the > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 fish > > > to a tank > > that > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't already > > > done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates were > > > between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini cycle, > > > but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > out? > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank has > > > > time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other issues, > > > > will also test everything else as well and let you know. The tank > > > > should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media from the 125 > > > > gallon tank and > > > that was > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > > good news is that green > > > > water > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > > not > > > > certain > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > > in > > > > case it > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > > as I > > > > still > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all my > > > > > overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the tank > > > > > > I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't change > > > > > > the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered the > > > > > > lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 hours > > > > > > for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should I lower > > > > > > it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my plants? The > > > > > > algae is floating in the water so I have green water now > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39796	From: Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)

Yes i did get your reply. Very good info, and he has gone thru the first few sections. He does well on navigation on websites. I have had him playing on the PBS website for a few years. I will respond below: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Do you know what kind of algae eater? There's no such thing as just an > "algae eater". I just remember he was skinnyer than most of the plecos. The guy at the store, i believe he said he was a Siamese algae eater. At the time i never heard of it, but i thought i would give it a try. >There are literally hundreds of species of fish that are > well known to be algae eaters... but most of them are omnivores so they need > a varied diet as well. Often, they will turn on other fish if the owner is > not feeding them properly. I was feeding it with algae tabletts. It seemed to eat a half a pellet every other night, but no more than that or it sat on the bottom of the tank and the white clouds would eat the pellets if i droped them in during the day. > > Did you get my last reply about the free website tutorials? It would be a > way for him to further his navigation skills of websites and learn some good > and practical information. Good books are good also but just like with > websites, you have to make sure the book is "good". There are a LOT of fish > books out there that give absolutely horrible advice. I can vouch for the > two free tutorial sites that I have recommended on my blog. Heck, the > entire "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page on my blog is a good place for > beginners and skilled fish keepers to find good information. Yes i got the info and you have done a great job. > > Yes, that 10G tank would not have been a very good home for even one RES > turtle. They get to around 10" in diameter... as big as a dinner plate... > and a single RES needs at least a 55G tank and even that would require > almost daily cleaning. A 72" x 18" footprint would be the least I would > ever do for a single RES just so I'm not doing tank maintenance all the > time. > Yes, we see RES along our rivers here in florida so i have seen how big they get. I believe the biggest one i have seen is about 14". Not much of a eating turtle, due to thier small size. > You should also check out the article I have on my blog called "Hailey's 10 > Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" which goes through a LOT of fish that are > suitable for a 10G tank and suggested options for stocking that would work > long term. I can tell you that livebearers are not usually a good thing for > 10G tanks.. unless you have all males or females... as they can quickly > become an overpopulation problem which then causes water quality or stunting > issues in the fish. Yes, i know this first hand, but i will say that if you have livebearers, that it can vary their numbers by how much you feed the adults. Before i found that out, i had a time period that i had 12 adults and close as i could count, close to 40 babies. Talk about suprised, i did not realize how fast they mass populate. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and > plants)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39797	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > during the > refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles forming. Try > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to either > splash > into the tank or against a glass before going into the tank. This will > help > outgas the tap water much better. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > change > I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner of the > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my tanks. > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure what > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates > which > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges > from it > into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them > into the > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in the > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water > > without it... > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also > > help to ingas O2. > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > temporarily. > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to > > waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to > > agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and then > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the > > first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates > in the > tank basically. > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that > > > duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > > the > > > bioload. > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > would > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in > > > > your > > > case, > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > compensate for the > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 > > > > fish to a tank > > > that > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates > > > > were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini > > > > cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > > out? > > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank > > > > > has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other > > > > > issues, will also test everything else as well and let you know. > > > > > The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media > > > > > from the 125 gallon tank and > > > > that was > > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > > > good news is that green > > > > > water > > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > > > not > > > > > certain > > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > > > in > > > > > case it > > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > > > as I > > > > > still > > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all > > > > > > my overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the > > > > > > > tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't > > > > > > > change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered > > > > > > > the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 > > > > > > > hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should > > > > > > > I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my > > > > > > > plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > > > > > > water now > > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39798	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Angelfish babies?

Okay so my angelfish are at it again, this time the eggs somehow managed to live long enough to start to hatch, I could see little tendrils sticking out from the eggs, but as soon as they swam away from the surface their naughty parents ate them. So I tried to rescue as many of the eggs as I could (while my hubby fended off the little nippy buggers, LOL), we shall see if they survive in the 10 gallon fry tank, there's just tiny fry in there, so they might stand a chance, I moved all the bigger fry upstairs to the 55 gallon and some into the 125 gallon when they were big enough. Also on a side note, I'm pretty sure one of the fry I found in the filters is a platy instead of a guppy, which is nice, I can tell it's not a guppy as it's a solid orange ;) LOL. I have orange platy's in the 125 gallon tank. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39799	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I > did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another > PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > during the > > refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles forming. Try > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to either > > splash > > into the tank or against a glass before going into the tank. This will > > help > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > > change > > I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner > of the > > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it > > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > tanks. > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > sure what > > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates > > which > > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be > > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was > > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges > > from it > > into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them > > into the > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > in the > > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water > > > without it... > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something > > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would > > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under > > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also > > > help to ingas O2. > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > temporarily. > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to > > > waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to > > > agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and then > > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the > > > first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates > > in the > > tank basically. > > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that > > > > duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > > > the > > > > bioload. > > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > > would > > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in > > > > > your > > > > case, > > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > > compensate for the > > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 > > > > > fish to a tank > > > > that > > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates > > > > > were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini > > > > > cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > > > out? > > > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank > > > > > > has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other > > > > > > issues, will also test everything else as well and let you know. > > > > > > The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media > > > > > > from the 125 gallon tank and > > > > > that was > > > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. 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<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > 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55 gallon tank, I didn't > > > > > > > > change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered > > > > > > > > the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 > > > > > > > > hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should > > > > > > > > I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my > > > > > > > > plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > > > > > > > water now > > > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39800	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Bill, I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other water conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you insist, when you dose the tank during a water change, you dose the tank for the amount of water you are replacing, not the amount of water in a full tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a wrong turn. If your using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any information is greatly appreciated. Where’s the Tylenol? Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39801	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39802	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About “Prime”

I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the whole tank first when he first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? Do heavy metals evaporate over time? Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > Bill, > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other water > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you insist, when you > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the tank for the amount > of water you are replacing, not the amount of water in a full tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC’s are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter’s right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem’s web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly > into > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This makes no > sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to have one > serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over > doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where’s the Tylenol? > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank > You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39803	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Are you running your filters during the refill process? They will also help to further agitate the water and outgas any excess CO2 that might be coming from your tap. A tap water baseline with numbers for right-out-the-tap, 24 hours and 48 hours will help show whether you have a high CO2 level in your tap water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles > forming. Try refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the > Python to either splash into the tank or against a glass before going > into the tank. This will help outgas the tap water much better. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one > corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can > start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a > decent > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my tanks. > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure > what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the > nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the > duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn > the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I > tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them > cycled, I'm going to throw them into the > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in > the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > > doing PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back > > water without it... > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > > something in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like > > nitrogenous compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... > > which would then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let > > the water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > > under water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap > > and also help to ingas O2. > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > temporarily. > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > > tube resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube > > connects to the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big > > tube has to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the > > big tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big > > tube and then agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong > > the first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some > > nitrates > in the > tank basically. > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but > > > it makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be > > > using up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all > > > that duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part > > > > of the > > > bioload. > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause > > > > a mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > would > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so > > > > in your > > > case, > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > compensate for the > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours > > > > and the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add > > > > 20 fish to a tank > > > that > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39804	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your tap water may well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do a regular water change, you may want to place the replacement water in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, prior to adding it to the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I > did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another > PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > during the > > refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles forming. Try > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to either > > splash > > into the tank or against a glass before going into the tank. This will > > help > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > > change > > I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner > of the > > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start letting it > > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > tanks. > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > sure what > > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the nitrates > > which > > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to be > > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it was > > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges > > from it > > into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them > > into the > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > in the > > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then doing > > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water > > > without it... > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless something > > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which would > > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let the > > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube under > > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and also > > > help to ingas O2. > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > temporarily. > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big tube > > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects to > > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to > > > waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to > > > agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and then > > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong the > > > first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates > > in the > > tank basically. > > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but it > > > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be using > > > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that > > > > duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part of > > > > > the > > > > bioload. > > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause a > > > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > > would > > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so in > > > > > your > > > > case, > > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > > compensate for the > > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours and > > > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add 20 > > > > > fish to a tank > > > > that > > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 Nitrates > > > > > were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini > > > > > cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about done. > > > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just wait it > > > out? > > > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in case I > > > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the tank > > > > > > has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any other > > > > > > issues, will also test everything else as well and let you know. > > > > > > The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled media > > > > > > from the 125 gallon tank and > > > > > that was > > > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well could > > > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. The > > > > > > > good news is that green > > > > > > water > > > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but I'm > > > > > > > not > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com 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<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, just > > > > > > > in > > > > > > case it > > > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few days > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > still > > > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've been > > > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and gravel > > > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with all > > > > > > > my overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the > > > > > > > > tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I didn't > > > > > > > > change the lighting at all before this. Today I just lowered > > > > > > > > the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on 7 > > > > > > > > hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. Should > > > > > > > > I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt my > > > > > > > > plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have green > > > > > > > > water now > > > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39805	From: bill1433	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Hi Steve, I do not think I need it either but better safe than sorry. We have low pH and high acid water here. Copper piping slowly changing over to plastic. Pipes do not last long. All this cannot be good for the fish. Water has never been tested for a complete lab analysis or heavy metal work up. Just thinking the prime can not hurt and there is no danger or draw back if I should stop using it is there? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:16 PM > Bill, > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other > water conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you > insist, when you dose the tank during a water change, you > dose the tank for the amount of water you are replacing, not > the amount of water in a full tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I > would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon > tanks.  I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to > 5.8.  PWC’s are at 25% once a week.  Tanks > have good water parameter’s right now and I am NOT > using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem’s > web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to > rather information.  So far all can say for sure is > that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then > according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a > wrong turn.  If your using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > tank.  This makes no sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to > have one serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank!  Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me > EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you > are using, any information is greatly appreciated. > > Where’s the Tylenol?  > Bill > > > >       > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.`..`.><((((> .`.. , > .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..`.<((((><.`.. , > .`..<((((><`.. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39806	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"

No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA in dechlor products is a chelating agent that binds with the heavy metals to make them non-toxic. Not that this Wiki will explain it any simpler but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid and this one explains some more about EDTA... http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the whole tank first when he first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? Do heavy metals evaporate over time? Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > Bill, > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other water > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you insist, when you > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the tank for the amount > of water you are replacing, not the amount of water in a full tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would > this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39807	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants)

OK. It was likely an SAE (Siamese Algae Eater). This next article goes over the SAE's, CAE's and false SAE's... not that it matters much anymore but you will at least know for certain what you had. http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/ All of these grow too large for a 10G tank so your fish store should not have sold this fish to you. About the only "algae eater" that will do OK in a 10G tank are Otocinclus affinis (midget suckermouth catfish) http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Otocinclus_affinis.html or http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile76.html which only grow to an inch or so. A couple of them and a school of six neon's or other small schooling fish will pretty much max out a 10G tank bioload as long as the tank is planted too. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Tishken KD4WOV AAV4DX Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Here is what i have. (Was: Re: Book for Aquarium and plants) Yes i did get your reply. Very good info, and he has gone thru the first few sections. He does well on navigation on websites. I have had him playing on the PBS website for a few years. I will respond below: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Do you know what kind of algae eater? There's no such thing as just > an "algae eater". I just remember he was skinnyer than most of the plecos. The guy at the store, i believe he said he was a Siamese algae eater. At the time i never heard of it, but i thought i would give it a try. >There are literally hundreds of species of fish that are well known to >be algae eaters... but most of them are omnivores so they need a >varied diet as well. Often, they will turn on other fish if the owner >is not feeding them properly. I was feeding it with algae tabletts. It seemed to eat a half a pellet every other night, but no more than that or it sat on the bottom of the tank and the white clouds would eat the pellets if i droped them in during the day. > > Did you get my last reply about the free website tutorials? It would > be a way for him to further his navigation skills of websites and > learn some good and practical information. Good books are good also > but just like with websites, you have to make sure the book is "good". > There are a LOT of fish books out there that give absolutely horrible > advice. I can vouch for the two free tutorial sites that I have > recommended on my blog. Heck, the entire "A to Z of Fish Keeping" > page on my blog is a good place for beginners and skilled fish keepers to find good information. Yes i got the info and you have done a great job. > > Yes, that 10G tank would not have been a very good home for even one > RES turtle. They get to around 10" in diameter... as big as a dinner plate... > and a single RES needs at least a 55G tank and even that would require > almost daily cleaning. A 72" x 18" footprint would be the least I > would ever do for a single RES just so I'm not doing tank maintenance > all the time. > Yes, we see RES along our rivers here in florida so i have seen how big they get. I believe the biggest one i have seen is about 14". Not much of a eating turtle, due to thier small size. > You should also check out the article I have on my blog called > "Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions" which goes through a > LOT of fish that are suitable for a 10G tank and suggested options for > stocking that would work long term. I can tell you that livebearers > are not usually a good thing for 10G tanks.. unless you have all males > or females... as they can quickly become an overpopulation problem > which then causes water quality or stunting issues in the fish. Yes, i know this first hand, but i will say that if you have livebearers, that it can vary their numbers by how much you feed the adults. Before i found that out, i had a time period that i had 12 adults and close as i could count, close to 40 babies. Talk about suprised, i did not realize how fast they mass populate. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39808	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Yes the filters run during the whole process unless I'm doing the filter cleaning for the week. This time I propped the hose up so the water poured into the tank with a lot of surface agitation, I would let buckets sit out but my cats would play in them ;). Are the nitrates the only reason I'm having an algae bloom? My tap water doesn't change much after 48 hours, The pH starts at about 6.6 and slowly lowers down to 6.2ish after 48 hours. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Are you running your filters during the refill process? They will also > help > to further agitate the water and outgas any excess CO2 that might be > coming > from your tap. A tap water baseline with numbers for right-out-the-tap, 24 > hours and 48 hours will help show whether you have a high CO2 level in > your > tap water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I did > another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > definitely let > it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another PWC tonight? I did > one earlier today. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles > > forming. Try refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the > > Python to either splash into the tank or against a glass before going > > into the tank. This will help outgas the tap water much better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > > change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one > > corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can > > start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a > > decent > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > tanks. > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for sure > > what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the > > nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the > > duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn > > the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I > > tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them > > cycled, I'm going to throw them into the > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae in > > the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > > > doing PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back > > > water without it... > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > > > something in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like > > > nitrogenous compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... > > > which would then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let > > > the water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > > > under water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap > > > and also help to ingas O2. > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing PWC's > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > temporarily. > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > > > tube resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube > > > connects to the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big > > > tube has to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the > > > big tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big > > > tube and then agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong > > > the first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some > > > nitrates > > in the > > tank basically. > > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae growth, > > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under control > > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a few, > > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, but > > > > it makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be > > > > using up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all > > > > that duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I was > > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 fish > > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG part > > > > > of the > > > > bioload. > > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not cause > > > > > a mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to the > > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > > would > > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria have > > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours so > > > > > in your > > > > case, > > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > > compensate for the > > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours > > > > > and the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add > > > > > 20 fish to a tank > > > > that > > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39809	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do that. But that would only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have one 5 gallon bucket, would be slow going to fill the tank back up, I've gotten spoiled with the python ;) LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to resolve > a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your tap water may > well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do a regular water > change, you may want to place the replacement water in a bucket and > vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, prior to adding it > to the tank. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier > this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I > > did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another > > PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > > during the > > > refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 micro-bubbles forming. > Try > > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to either > > > splash > > > into the tank or against a glass before going into the tank. This > will > > > help > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > > > change > > > I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one corner > > of the > > > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start > letting it > > > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > > tanks. > > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > > sure what > > > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the > nitrates > > > which > > > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems to > be > > > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it > was > > > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio cartridges > > > from it > > > into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm going to throw them > > > into the > > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > > in the > > > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > doing > > > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back water > > > > without it... > > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > something > > > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which > would > > > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let > the > > > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > under > > > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and > also > > > > help to ingas O2. > > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing > PWC's > > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > > temporarily. > > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > tube > > > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects > to > > > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has to > > > > waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big tube to > > > > agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big tube and > then > > > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong > the > > > > first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some nitrates > > > in the > > > tank basically. > > > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae > growth, > > > > should I turn them off for now until I get the problem under > control > > > > and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a > few, > > > > > eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting worse, > but it > > > > > makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as it would be > using > > > > > up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing I have all that > > > > > duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was only tinted very > > > > > slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so I'm not sure if I > was > > > > > just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 > fish > > > > > > last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a BIG > part of > > > > > > the > > > > > bioload. > > > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not > cause a > > > > > > mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even then, the > > > > > > minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish compared to > the > > > > > > 20 fish already in the tank > > > > > would > > > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria > have > > > > > > the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 hours > so in > > > > > > your > > > > > case, > > > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > > > compensate for the > > > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours > and > > > > > > the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you add > 20 > > > > > > fish to a tank > > > > > that > > > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > the > > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by > > > > > > Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:07 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay tested the tank this afternoon. > > > > > > Ammonia was just over 0, less than .25 Nitrites were 0 > Nitrates > > > > > > were between 0 and 5 ppm. > > > > > > I added 3 fish last week, so that could be why it's in a mini > > > > > > cycle, but since there's no nitrites it should be just about > done. > > > > > > Should I do more water changes for the green water or just > wait it > > > > out? > > > > > > Any advice there? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is good news I suppose ;). I had worried if it was > > > > > > > harmful to the fish at first, so I did a water change in > case I > > > > > > > should. I will check my ammonia later tonight (after the > tank > > > > > > > has time to build up) to see if I'm possibly having any > other > > > > > > > issues, will also test everything else as well and let you > know. > > > > > > > The tank should be plenty cycled by now as I used cycled > media > > > > > > > from the 125 gallon tank and > > > > > > that was > > > > > > weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't sanitize the plants first, you very well > could > > > > > > > > have introduced a suspended algae strain into your tank. > The > > > > > > > > good news is that green > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > is actually good for most fish... probably all of them but > I'm > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > of that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > > > > Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:54 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I also did a water change today, > just > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > case it > > > > > > > > will help ;) Was a 25% PWC, I've been doing one every few > days > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > have smaller guppy's in there that aren't mature so I've > been > > > > > > > > feeding a few times a day, so I've been doing PWC's and > gravel > > > > > > > > cleaning every few days to make sure it stays clean with > all > > > > > > > > my overfeeding ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of a sudden after adding a few more plants to the > > > > > > > > > tank I got a huge algae bloom in my 55 gallon tank, I > didn't > > > > > > > > > change the lighting at all before this. Today I just > lowered > > > > > > > > > the lighting by a couple of hours, so the lights are on > 7 > > > > > > > > > hours for the 10k and 9 hours for the actinic lights. > Should > > > > > > > > > I lower it more to get rid of the algae or will it hurt > my > > > > > > > > > plants? The algae is floating in the water so I have > green > > > > > > > > > water now > > > > > > > > > ;) bleh poor fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39810	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

So if the heavy metals don't get used up or evaporate then I suppose an initial dose with prime would be what Bill wants to do for his whole tank if he has not been using anything so far. Bill have you used any dechlor products at all yet? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA in dechlor products is a > chelating agent that binds with the heavy metals to make them non-toxic. > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any simpler but... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> and > this one > explains some more about EDTA... > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the whole tank first > when he > first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? Do heavy metals > evaporate over time? > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other water > > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you insist, when you > > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the tank for the amount > > of water you are replacing, not the amount of water in a full tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would > > this be over doing it? > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39811	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Angelfish babies?

I have also broken down and decided that perhaps I should separate my Angels and keep them in their own 55 gallon tank, since they like to breed so much, they get so aggressive when they go into spawning mode. I figure they'll be happier this way, and I could always get lucky and end up with babies later on that I could sell to my LFS. If I breed a koi angel and a wild colored angel what kind of coloration would the babies have? Thank goodness I talked my hubby into ordering some 55 gallon kits at our local Walmart (he runs the pets department, handy huh? LOL). I can get a kit for (I think) less than 200, which comes with a filter (HOB I would assume), heater, hood with lighting, just need to get more pea gravel and I would be set. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay so my angelfish are at it again, this time the eggs somehow managed > to live long enough to start to hatch, I could see little tendrils > sticking out from the eggs, but as soon as they swam away from the > surface their naughty parents ate them. So I tried to rescue as many of > the eggs as I could (while my hubby fended off the little nippy buggers, > LOL), we shall see if they survive in the 10 gallon fry tank, there's > just tiny fry in there, so they might stand a chance, I moved all the > bigger fry upstairs to the 55 gallon and some into the 125 gallon when > they were big enough. Also on a side note, I'm pretty sure one of the > fry I found in the filters is a platy instead of a guppy, which is nice, > I can tell it's not a guppy as it's a solid orange ;) LOL. I have orange > platy's in the 125 gallon tank. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39812	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"

Yes, if you temporarily overdose a tank, in anticipation of refilling the tank moments later, this will not have a negative effect. Most dechlors have a margin of error built into them and some even claim they can overdosed by 10X with no ill effects. NOW... if you constantly overdose a tank, at some point the chemical level will be above 10X and at this point, even those dechlor products may begin to show adverse effects on the fish. For example, if you treat a 10G tank with a normal dose the first time, then do weekly 25% PWC's but instead of just treating the 25% replacement water, you give a full 10G dose, you have now added enough dechlor for 17.5G. Continue doing this weekly, meaning you are overdosing by 7.5G worth of dechlor each week and after about 20 weeks, you have now reached the 10X stage... meaning you have 10 times more dechlor product in the 10G tank then it should have. Continue on this overdosing rampage for another 20 weeks and you are up to 20 times more dechlor than should have been dosed. At some point it will have to be dangerous to the fish, otherwise you could just fill a 10G tank with dechlor product and add fish... I'm sure they will not survive very long. If anyone has been doing this kind of schedule for any length of time, it would be a good idea to start doing just the normal dose of dechlor from now on and the overdosed amount will slowly lower back down to normal levels within the next 5-6 25% PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" I see that this went South on shipping and handling, but I will tell you how and why I use and then try to get others to answer on the original track. I just apply the stuff to buckets of water. I do not stand behind the water waste of the python, but I can clearly see the convenience of the device. Do not shoot me folks, it is easy to take the high road when the low road is not available. At work I could not use one as the hose would be across hallways, and impede our customers at a hospital. Not where I wish to go when it is only by a thread that I hold my rights to have an aquarium in my office as it is, My question, and as I saw your original post. If you overdose this and then add water with chlorine and heavy metals in it will it still wipe them out? Does it have a negative effect if over dosed some or allot? Questions that I would like the answer to as well, so this is why I drag this back on point... On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39813	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime"

Oops.. In my previous reply, I also meant to answer your thoughts about the Python Water Change System. If everyone started conserving water to the maximum amount, it would have a severely devastating effect on our sewer systems... which would start to clog up with solid waste since there wouldn't be enough water to keep it flowing to the sewer treatment plants. The solid waste would build up and start to dry out and decay, putting out a lot of methane gas which could then cause an underground explosion, possibly blowing up a street or interstate highway... maybe even taking out a full office building in a downtown metro area... causing numerous injuries and deaths... and causing hundreds of thousands of dollars or even millions of dollars in damages... so us Python users are actually saving lives. We should all be given commendations and Keys to our cities!!! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" I see that this went South on shipping and handling, but I will tell you how and why I use and then try to get others to answer on the original track. I just apply the stuff to buckets of water. I do not stand behind the water waste of the python, but I can clearly see the convenience of the device. Do not shoot me folks, it is easy to take the high road when the low road is not available. At work I could not use one as the hose would be across hallways, and impede our customers at a hospital. Not where I wish to go when it is only by a thread that I hold my rights to have an aquarium in my office as it is, My question, and as I saw your original post. If you overdose this and then add water with chlorine and heavy metals in it will it still wipe them out? Does it have a negative effect if over dosed some or allot? Questions that I would like the answer to as well, so this is why I drag this back on point... On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over > creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can > say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with > each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going > to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any > information is greatly appreciated. > > Where's the Tylenol? > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39814	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

A tongue in cheek, Thanks... ;o) On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Oops.. In my previous reply, I also meant to answer your thoughts about the > Python Water Change System. > > If everyone started conserving water to the maximum amount, it would have a > severely devastating effect on our sewer systems... which would start to > clog up with solid waste since there wouldn't be enough water to keep it > flowing to the sewer treatment plants. The solid waste would build up and > start to dry out and decay, putting out a lot of methane gas which could > then cause an underground explosion, possibly blowing up a street or > interstate highway... maybe even taking out a full office building in a > downtown metro area... causing numerous injuries and deaths... and causing > hundreds of thousands of dollars or even millions of dollars in damages... > so us Python users are actually saving lives. We should all be given > commendations and Keys to our cities!!! ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:07 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > I see that this went South on shipping and handling, but I will tell you how > and why I use and then try to get others to answer on the original track. I > just apply the stuff to buckets of water. I do not stand behind the water > waste of the python, but I can clearly see the convenience of the device. > Do not shoot me folks, it is easy to take the high road when the low road is > not available. At work I could not use one as the hose would be across > hallways, and impede our customers at a hospital. Not where I wish to go > when it is only by a thread that I hold my rights to have an aquarium in my > office as it is, > > My question, and as I saw your original post. If you overdose this and then > add water with chlorine and heavy metals in it will it still wipe them out? > Does it have a negative effect if over dosed some or > allot? Questions that I would like the answer to as well, so this is why I > drag this back on point... > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I would like >> to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon tanks. I have well water >> with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a week. Tanks have good >> water parameter's right now and I am NOT using any additives as yet. >> Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's web site and all over >> creation on the Internet trying to rather information. So far all can >> say for sure is that I have one heck of a headache! >> >> Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then according with >> each water change, depending on if you use buckets, then directly into >> the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a wrong turn. If your >> using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole tank. This >> makes no sense to me at all because I figure by months end, your going >> to have one serious concentration of this stuff in each tank! Would this > be over doing it? >> >> Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me EXACTLY , >> when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you are using, any >> information is greatly appreciated. >> >> Where's the Tylenol? >> Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39815	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Hmmmm.. since the pH is going down, you may not have a CO2 issue with your tap, although the micro-bubbles sure sounds like it's some kind of dissolved gas coming out of solution... which is usually caused by higher CO2 levels. I really thought the micro-bubbles would be CO2 but that would usually mean a rising pH in your tap water baseline as the CO2 outgases. Do you have a KH test kit? If so, test your tap water KH 48 hour baseline as well as the pH. Knowing the pH and KH could help verify whether or not it's CO2 or not. It's not a guaranteed way but it can sometimes clear things up. No, the nitrates are not the only reason. Phosphates will also feed algae blooms (and plants too). You could try turning your lights off for a longer period as plants/algae need three things to thrive... light, CO2 and nutrients. Some folks find that only a 3-day blackout of the tank is the only thing that will get rid of green water suspended algae. I'm not sure you are at the point of doing that... yet. BTW... I thought cats were afraid of water? Must be them Alaskan island cats! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Yes the filters run during the whole process unless I'm doing the filter cleaning for the week. This time I propped the hose up so the water poured into the tank with a lot of surface agitation, I would let buckets sit out but my cats would play in them ;). Are the nitrates the only reason I'm having an algae bloom? My tap water doesn't change much after 48 hours, The pH starts at about 6.6 and slowly lowers down to 6.2ish after 48 hours. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Are you running your filters during the refill process? They will also > help to further agitate the water and outgas any excess CO2 that might > be coming from your tap. A tap water baseline with numbers for > right-out-the-tap, 24 hours and 48 hours will help show whether you > have a high CO2 level in your tap water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. I > did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do another > PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 > > micro-bubbles forming. Try refilling and allowing the incoming > > water, from the Python to either splash into the tank or against a > > glass before going into the tank. This will help outgas the tap water much better. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a water > > change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or in one > > corner of the tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I > > can start letting it splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have > > a decent > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > tanks. > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > > sure what my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower > > the nitrates which I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder > > the duckweed seems to be taking over the top of the tank, I had to > > turn the HOB off cuz it was throwing duck weed all over the place ;) > > I tossed the bio cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep > > them cycled, I'm going to throw them into the > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > > in the water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > > > doing PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back > > > water without it... > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > > > something in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like > > > nitrogenous compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... > > > which would then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you let > > > the water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > > > under water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap > > > and also help to ingas O2. > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing > > > PWC's could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 > > > level > > temporarily. > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > > > tube resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube > > > connects to the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big > > > tube has to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the > > > big tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the > > > big tube and then agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:50 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay so if I do PWC's often enough will it help get rid of the > > > floating algae in the water column? If I am making it worse let me > > > know ;) LOL I retested and I must have just read the ammonia wrong > > > the first time, as it was 0 the 2nd time. So I just have some > > > nitrates > > in the > > tank basically. > > > I read somewhere else that the actinic lights increase algae > > > growth, should I turn them off for now until I get the problem > > > under control and only use my daylight 10k lights? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cleaned the filter this evening, will do another test in a > > > > few, eating dinner right now. The algae seems to be getting > > > > worse, but it makes sense if the tank is having a mini-cycle, as > > > > it would be using up the nutrients. I suppose it's a good thing > > > > I have all that duckweed in there ;) The ammonia reading was > > > > only tinted very slightly above the normal 0 on the chart, so > > > > I'm not sure if I was just in bad lighting or if it was really just 0. > > > > Will retest to make sure. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do PWC's to remove the suspended algae. > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have an ammonia reading if you added 3 > > > > > fish last week... unless they were HUGE fish or comprised a > > > > > BIG part of the > > > > bioload. > > > > > For example, if you had 20 fish, adding 3 more should not > > > > > cause a mini-cycle that lasts more than a day or so and even > > > > > then, the minute amount of ammonia created by these 3 fish > > > > > compared to the 20 fish already in the tank > > > > would > > > > > not likely even show up on a test kit. Nitrifying bacteria > > > > > have the capability to double their colony size every 24-48 > > > > > hours so in your > > > > case, > > > > > they would only need to increase the colony by 10-15% to > > > > > compensate for the > > > > > 3 added fish so that would take place within a couple of hours > > > > > and the added ammonia level would be negligible. Now, if you > > > > > add 20 fish to a tank > > > > that > > > > > only has 3 fish... that's a whole 'nother story. > > > > > > > > > > Now.. back to your ammonia reading. Re-test, if you haven't > > > > > already done so, to verify the accuracy and let us know. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39816	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour or so. If you do not have an extra air pump around, then hanging your cake mixer on the side of the bucket would also work. LOL When you refill with the Python, are you mixing hot and cold water to raise the tap water temperature up close to the tank temp? If yes, you might have to quit using the hot water, as the water in a hot water heater will have a very high CO2 level. This means you will have to SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water to give the aquarium heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the water temp in the tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream of water flowing out of the Python during the refill process and it might take a half hour to refill the tank but at least the fish will not get shocked/stressed from a drastic temperature change if the cold water is more than 4-8F lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the most I would try with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering the tank temp by 2F... but doing this very slowly where the tank heater could also start warming up the water and the fish would be able to slowly acclimate to any change that the heater cannot keep up with. If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when refilling your tanks, use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket for doing a new tap water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a big difference in your baseline tests from this mixed water versus just the cold water side. I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed with some of the hot water. My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH where my hot water is much softer with a much lower pH due to so many of the minerals coming out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot water heater. Add that to the fact that the hot water will have a higher CO2 level and it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry baseline tests. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do that. But that would only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have one 5 gallon bucket, would be slow going to fill the tank back up, I've gotten spoiled with the python ;) LOL. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your tap > water may well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do a > regular water change, you may want to place the replacement water in a > bucket and vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, prior > to adding it to the tank. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier > this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. > > I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > > during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 > > > micro-bubbles forming. > Try > > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to > > > either splash into the tank or against a glass before going into > > > the tank. This > will > > > help > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a > > > water change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or > > > in one corner > > of the > > > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start > letting it > > > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > > tanks. > > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > > sure what > > > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the > nitrates > > > which > > > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems > > > to > be > > > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it > was > > > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio > > > cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm > > > going to throw them into the > > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > > in the > > > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > doing > > > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back > > > > water without it... > > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > something > > > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which > would > > > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you > > > > let > the > > > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > under > > > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and > also > > > > help to ingas O2. > > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing > PWC's > > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > > temporarily. > > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > tube > > > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects > to > > > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has > > > > to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big > > > > tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big > > > > tube and > then > > > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39817	From: Dora Smith	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

The worst they could do is ban importing pigs from Europe and sending them to big industrial pig farms in Mexico. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39818	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that heats up the whole building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour or so. If you do not > have > an extra air pump around, then hanging your cake mixer on the side of the > bucket would also work. LOL > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing hot and cold water to > raise > the tap water temperature up close to the tank temp? If yes, you might > have > to quit using the hot water, as the water in a hot water heater will > have a > very high CO2 level. This means you will have to SLOWLY refill your tanks > with only the cold water to give the aquarium heaters a chance to keep up > with maintaining the water temp in the tank. You might have to have only a > 1/4" stream of water flowing out of the Python during the refill > process and > it might take a half hour to refill the tank but at least the fish > will not > get shocked/stressed from a drastic temperature change if the cold > water is > more than 4-8F lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the most I > would try with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering the tank temp by > 2F... but doing this very slowly where the tank heater could also start > warming up the water and the fish would be able to slowly acclimate to any > change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when refilling your tanks, use > this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket for doing a new tap water > baseline test. I'm betting you will see a big difference in your baseline > tests from this mixed water versus just the cold water side. > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed with some of the hot > water. > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH where my hot water is much > softer with a much lower pH due to so many of the minerals coming out of > solution while "distilling" inside the hot water heater. Add that to the > fact that the hot water will have a higher CO2 level and it makes for > a BIG > difference in water chemistry baseline tests. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do that. But that would > only work > for 5 gallons at a time as I only have one 5 gallon bucket, would be slow > going to fill the tank back up, I've gotten spoiled with the python ;) > LOL. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your tap > > water may well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do a > > regular water change, you may want to place the replacement water in a > > bucket and vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, prior > > to adding it to the tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier > > this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. > > > I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > > > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank glass > > > > during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > Try > > > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to > > > > either splash into the tank or against a glass before going into > > > > the tank. This > > will > > > > help > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:08 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Well I usually leave it inside the tank, but when I just did a > > > > water change I had it splashing onto the back wall of the tank or > > > > in one corner > > > of the > > > > tank, so most of the time it was above the water. I can start > > letting it > > > > splash more to outgas co2, I'm guessing I have a decent > > > > CO2 level in my tap as there are a lot of bubbles when I refill my > > > tanks. > > > > But I don't have a tester for it, so I really can't tell you for > > > sure what > > > > my CO2 level is. At least doing a water change will lower the > > nitrates > > > > which > > > > I'm sure are helping feed the algae. No wonder the duckweed seems > > > > to > > be > > > > taking over the top of the tank, I had to turn the HOB off cuz it > > was > > > > throwing duck weed all over the place ;) I tossed the bio > > > > cartridges from it into the tank for now to keep them cycled, I'm > > > > going to throw them into the > > > > XP4 this evening, just didn't have time at lunch ;). > > > > I guess I'll just keep doing PWC's to try and get rid of the algae > > > in the > > > > water column. I can hardly see the fish ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unless the water you are adding has suspended algae, then > > doing > > > > > PWC's should remove water with suspended algae and add back > > > > > water without it... > > > > > which should lessen the amount of suspended algae... unless > > something > > > > > in your tap water is adding a lot of nutrients like nitrogenous > > > > > compounds (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) or phosphates... which > > would > > > > > then just help to feed the suspended algae that remained. > > > > > > > > > > Have you baseline tested your tap water lately? > > > > > > > > > > Make sure, when you refill the tank with the Python, that you > > > > > let > > the > > > > > water splash into the tank rather than having the refill tube > > under > > > > > water. The splashing will help to outgas any CO2 in your tap and > > also > > > > > help to ingas O2. > > > > > If your tap does have a higher CO2 level right now, then doing > > PWC's > > > > > could actually feed the suspended algae by raising the CO2 level > > > > temporarily. > > > > > When I refill my tanks with my Python, I have the top of the big > > tube > > > > > resting on the edge of the frame where the smaller tube connects > > to > > > > > the big tube, so that the water flowing out of the big tube has > > > > > to waterfall into the tank. This allows the water in the big > > > > > tube to agitate a little before it flows out the end of the big > > > > > tube and > > then > > > > > agitates some more when it splashes into the tank. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39819	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a common one... do you add hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? I'm presuming you do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a gallon of hot and cold water to see how much different they start out and end up. I realize you may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during the refill process but it could make things a lot different than just your cold water baseline test results. You could also do a third baseline test on the water mix that you use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns out as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that heats up the whole building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour or so. If you do not > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your cake mixer on the > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing hot and cold water to > raise the tap water temperature up close to the tank temp? If yes, you > might have to quit using the hot water, as the water in a hot water > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This means you will have to > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water to give the aquarium > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the water temp in the > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream of water flowing out > of the Python during the refill process and it might take a half hour > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not get shocked/stressed > from a drastic temperature change if the cold water is more than 4-8F > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the most I would try > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering the tank temp by 2F... > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater could also start > warming up the water and the fish would be able to slowly acclimate to > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when refilling your tanks, > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket for doing a new tap > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a big difference in your > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just the cold water side. > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed with some of the hot > water. > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH where my hot water is > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many of the minerals coming > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot water heater. Add > that to the fact that the hot water will have a higher CO2 level and > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry baseline tests. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do that. But that would > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have one 5 gallon bucket, > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, I've gotten spoiled with > the python ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your > > tap water may well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do > > a regular water change, you may want to place the replacement water > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. > > > I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > > > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > Try > > > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to > > > > either splash into the tank or against a glass before going into > > > > the tank. This > > will > > > > help > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39820	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I've done a baseline of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall according to the notices they send out). I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water and see how they compare. And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a little less of a shock ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a common one... do you add > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? I'm presuming you > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a gallon of hot and cold > water to see how much different they start out and end up. I realize you > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during the refill > process but > it could make things a lot different than just your cold water > baseline test > results. You could also do a third baseline test on the water mix that you > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns out as well. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that heats up the whole > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour or so. If you do not > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your cake mixer on the > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing hot and cold water to > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the tank temp? If yes, you > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the water in a hot water > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This means you will have to > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water to give the aquarium > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the water temp in the > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream of water flowing out > > of the Python during the refill process and it might take a half hour > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not get shocked/stressed > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold water is more than 4-8F > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the most I would try > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering the tank temp by 2F... > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater could also start > > warming up the water and the fish would be able to slowly acclimate to > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when refilling your tanks, > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket for doing a new tap > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a big difference in your > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just the cold water side. > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed with some of the hot > > water. > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH where my hot water is > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many of the minerals coming > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot water heater. Add > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a higher CO2 level and > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry baseline tests. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do that. But that would > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have one 5 gallon bucket, > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, I've gotten spoiled with > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change water while trying to > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 concentration in your > > > tap water may well be helping the algae along. When comes time to do > > > a regular water change, you may want to place the replacement water > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while doing your water change, > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so > confused, LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > I did another water change today and the algae got worse so I will > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I refill again. Should I do > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier today. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean bubbles form on the tank > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, those very well could be CO2 > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > Try > > > > > refilling and allowing the incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > either splash into the tank or against a glass before going into > > > > > the tank. This > > > will > > > > > help > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39821	From: Diana Brooks	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: betta update

Thanks for the advice. Bella the betta has been rehomed to the 55 gal (yes, I've caught MTS) and I think I saw her eating already (from a distance, it could have been a molly).

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39822	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > AMBER: What you have here is an algae "bloom" which happens when you add new water to a "green" tank.The most effective way to get rid of it is a complete water change but very few people have that much water in storage. 2- Algaecide(will clear your tank in 1-2 days) but may do your plants in during the process. 3-Use a DENSE bed of filter floss in the filter(more effective than sponges)aand change material every day or two(time consuming)but does work. 4- Turn off lights.This will take a long time and will not do your plants any good. My tannks were breeding setups so the only plants I had were one that could be moved to another tanks.The quickest way to get rid of it is using an algaecide.Good Luck. Regards Hank ======================================= > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier > this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39823	From: jett07002	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

Yep. You're right joesbirds. I guess, unless you are native American that would include your ancestors, too. joe t --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, joesbirds@... wrote: > > I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation > for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though > most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of > this land starting with the mayflower > > Joey > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > Aprilfooter427NO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39824	From: Troy	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

It’s all about the brown snakes and getting bit on the behind. The flu has nothing to do with it since the animals we share the infection with are pigs and poultry—food animals. These won’t get banned. Other country’s will ban our pork and poultry, purportedly to protect from the flu, as China and Russia already have. But, in line with your concerns, they didn’t really do it because of the flu. “It's really all about the money,” not the public’s health or money that matters most. They do it for business; to protect their businesses. Government regulation usually goes wrong when it’s actually about protecting or promoting a private interest (e.g., high tariffs on imported sugar protect corn, ethanol subsidies protect corn, extension of the copyright time benefits Disney and the record companies). Business corrupts government. The availability of government protection corrupts business. Follow the money if you want to predict what will happen. Does any business interest stand to make money from HR 669? If not, I doubt it will pass. It has no popular appeal to promote it in lieu of a business interest. But just in case I am wrong, I am going to get Tim’s One and Only to speed up the cycling of my new tank, so I can get some Bolivian Rams this weekend. I am going to name the male Lenny. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39825	From: Prince	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

if you wanna make clown loachs really happy get at least 6 of them and make sure you have lots of driftwood I use malaysian driftwood and lots of plants for 2 reasons I house discus and I read who they caught them and the loaches seem to like the nooks and crannys its better than rocks because of no sharp edges.Plus the have close to the same water requermentsas discus plus I have about a dozen congos in there. with a lager group of loaches and the congos are active they come out and play quite a bit plus had to breedings by them in my take   --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:05 PM I'm not sure, I had 2 at once and they didn't make it through my ich outbreak, but they seemed happy in a pair. Maybe someone else out there can find more info, I couldn't find them on mongabay, but found plenty of pictures on google ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@ aim.com wrote: > > > > How many need to be in a school or would one be able to survive on its > own. Right now the snails aren't too bad but want to get something > before the snails gets out of hand. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:53 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > Yoyo loaches would do the trick. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@ aim.com <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > That I didn't know. > > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > > guppies yet stay small? > > > > Kate Dale > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> > > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A > > 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@ aim.com > <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would > like to > > know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clo > wn > > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. I been doing extra pwc's and > > vacuuming them up and have gotten rid of a few. > > > > Kate Dale > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of20the original message MODIFY the > > SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > > you can > > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home > > page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > where you > > will still be > able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > `..><((((>.` ..`.><((( (> .`.. , .`..><((((> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <((((><.`..` .<((((><. `.. , .`..<((((><` .. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can > change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you > will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > ho > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39826	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

No additives at all here. Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM > So if the heavy metals don't get used > up or evaporate then I suppose an > initial dose with prime would be what Bill wants to do for > his whole > tank if he has not been using anything so far. > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all yet? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA in dechlor > products is a > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy metals to > make them non-toxic. > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any simpler but... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > and > > this one > > explains some more about EDTA... > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the > whole tank first > > when he > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? > Do heavy metals > > evaporate over time? > > > > Amber > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or > any other water > > > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if > you insist, when you > > > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the > tank for the amount > > > of water you are replacing, not the amount of > water in a full tank. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > delivered and I would like > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon > tanks. I have well water > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a > week. Tanks have good > > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using > any additives as yet. > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's > web site and all over > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > information. So far all can > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > headache! > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once > and then according with > > > each water change, depending on if you use > buckets, then directly into > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > wrong turn. If your > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose > the whole tank. This > > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by > months end, your going > > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff > in each tank! Would > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please > tell me EXACTLY , > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you > are using, any > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39827	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Hi Amber, Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE statements. The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what is different about the 55? Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They require a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a type of green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used with discretion. Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > I've done a baseline of mixed water > already a few months ago, and I know > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > according to > the notices they send out). > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > and see how > they compare. > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > little less > of a shock ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > common one... do you add > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > I'm presuming you > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > gallon of hot and cold > > water to see how much different they start out and end > up. I realize you > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > the refill > > process but > > it could make things a lot different than just your > cold water > > baseline test > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > the water mix that you > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > out as well. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > heats up the whole > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > or so. If you do not > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > cake mixer on the > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > hot and cold water to > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > tank temp? If yes, you > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > water in a hot water > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > means you will have to > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > to give the aquarium > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > water temp in the > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > of water flowing out > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > might take a half hour > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > get shocked/stressed > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > water is more than 4-8F > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > most I would try > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > the tank temp by 2F... > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > could also start > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > to slowly acclimate to > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > refilling your tanks, > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > for doing a new tap > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > big difference in your > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > the cold water side. > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > with some of the hot > > > water. > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > where my hot water is > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > of the minerals coming > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > water heater. Add > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > higher CO2 level and > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > baseline tests. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > that. But that would > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > I've gotten spoiled with > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > water while trying to > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > concentration in your > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > along. When comes time to do > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > place the replacement water > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > doing your water change, > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > the water change > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > water changes? I'm so > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > I did another water change today and > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > refill again. Should I do > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > today. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > Try > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > against a glass before going into > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > will > > > > > > help > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39828	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Yesterday I did a PWC every hour after work until I had changed all the water, so the tank appears clear, but I won't know until the lights kick on later today ;) I will do some more PWC's today if I need to, but it seemed to help. I also cleaned both filters. Amber hank voss wrote: > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > AMBER: > What you have here is an algae "bloom" which happens when you add new > water to a "green" tank.The most effective way to get rid of it is a > complete water change but very few people have that much water in storage. > 2- Algaecide(will clear your tank in 1-2 days) but may do your plants > in during the process. > 3-Use a DENSE bed of filter floss in the filter(more effective than > sponges)aand change material every day or two(time consuming)but does > work. > 4- Turn off lights.This will take a long time and will not do your > plants any good. > My tannks were breeding setups so the only plants I had were one that > could be moved to another tanks.The quickest way to get rid of it is > using an algaecide.Good Luck. > Regards Hank > > ======================================= > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change earlier > > this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39829	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to treat the water you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any dechlor product as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank when you get the prime (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when you do your weekly PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are adding. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > No additives at all here. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM > > So if the heavy metals don't get used > > up or evaporate then I suppose an > > initial dose with prime would be what Bill wants to do for > > his whole > > tank if he has not been using anything so far. > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all yet? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA in dechlor > > products is a > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy metals to > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any simpler but... > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > and > > > this one > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the > > whole tank first > > > when he > > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? > > Do heavy metals > > > evaporate over time? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or > > any other water > > > > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if > > you insist, when you > > > > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the > > tank for the amount > > > > of water you are replacing, not the amount of > > water in a full tank. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > > delivered and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon > > tanks. I have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a > > week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > > information. So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once > > and then according with > > > > each water change, depending on if you use > > buckets, then directly into > > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > > wrong turn. If your > > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose > > the whole tank. This > > > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by > > months end, your going > > > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff > > in each tank! Would > > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please > > tell me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you > > are using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39830	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a 100% water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE > statements. > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what > is different about the 55? > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > require > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I > believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a type of > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > with discretion. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > already a few months ago, and I know > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > > according to > > the notices they send out). > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > > and see how > > they compare. > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > > little less > > of a shock ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > common one... do you add > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > I'm presuming you > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > gallon of hot and cold > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > up. I realize you > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > the refill > > > process but > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > cold water > > > baseline test > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > the water mix that you > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > out as well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > heats up the whole > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > or so. If you do not > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > cake mixer on the > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > hot and cold water to > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > water in a hot water > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > means you will have to > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > to give the aquarium > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > water temp in the > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > of water flowing out > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > might take a half hour > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > get shocked/stressed > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > most I would try > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > could also start > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > refilling your tanks, > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > for doing a new tap > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > big difference in your > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > with some of the hot > > > > water. > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > where my hot water is > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > of the minerals coming > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > water heater. Add > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > higher CO2 level and > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > that. But that would > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > water while trying to > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > concentration in your > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > place the replacement water > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > doing your water change, > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > the water change > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > water changes? I'm so > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > Try > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > will > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39832	From: William	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

If you put the UV on the 55 that will kill the algae as it goes through it. Another suggestion is to put some daphnia in the green water (they love to eat the pea soup algae) or put a fresh water clam in the tank (in a small container where you can remove it if you wish. Clams and muscles are filter feeders the eat suspended algae but you need to keep an eye on then to make sure that they are still alive. I wish that I coud get a tank to produce the suspended algae ao that I coud feed a container of daphnia that I raise for food for my fish.I put a couple containers out side during the warm weather to raise daphnia, some other containers I put some tropical fishes on vacation in the tubs for mosquito control.. If you have the Daphnia magnum they will eat small mosquito larvae, I very seldom see any larger larvae and they go into my tanks for live foods. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a 100% > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's > a cycled tank as well. > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, and it > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE > > statements. > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what > > is different about the 55? > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > > require > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I > > believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a type of > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > > with discretion. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > > > according to > > > the notices they send out). > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > > > and see how > > > they compare. > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > > > little less > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > > common one... do you add > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > > I'm presuming you > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > > up. I realize you > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > > the refill > > > > process but > > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > > cold water > > > > baseline test > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > > the water mix that you > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > > heats up the whole > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > > water in a hot water > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > > means you will have to > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > > water temp in the > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > > of water flowing out > > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > > might take a half hour > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > > most I would try > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > > could also start > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > > big difference in your > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > > with some of the hot > > > > > water. > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > > where my hot water is > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > > water heater. Add > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > > that. But that would > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > > water while trying to > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > > concentration in your > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > > the water change > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39833	From: Wendie	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: clown loaches

I use slate caves. Each loach has their own favorite cave and lies on it's side in the cave during the daylight hours. It's funny to walk by and see a large tail sticking out of a small cave - and on the side no less. They will squeeze into anything they can and the tighter the better apparently. The larger loach takes the select cave. Wendie ----- Original Message ----- From: Prince To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches if you wanna make clown loachs really happy get at least 6 of them and make sure you have lots of driftwood I use malaysian driftwood and lots of plants for 2 reasons I house discus and I read who they caught them and the loaches seem to like the nooks and crannys its better than rocks because of no sharp edges.Plus the have close to the same water requermentsas discus plus I have about a dozen congos in there. with a lager group of loaches and the congos are active they come out and play quite a bit plus had to breedings by them in my take --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:05 PM I'm not sure, I had 2 at once and they didn't make it through my ich outbreak, but they seemed happy in a pair. Maybe someone else out there can find more info, I couldn't find them on mongabay, but found plenty of pictures on google ;) LOL Amber toddswoman496861@ aim.com wrote: > > > > How many need to be in a school or would one be able to survive on its > own. Right now the snails aren't too bad but want to get something > before the snails gets out of hand. > > Kate Dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 2:53 pm > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > Yoyo loaches would do the trick. > > Amber > > toddswoman496861@ aim.com <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > That I didn't know. > > What Kind of fish would eat snails yet get along with Otto's and > > guppies yet stay small? > > > > Kate Dale > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna Ransome <djransome@optonline .net > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net> > > <mailto:djransome% 40optonline. net>> > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 1:28 pm > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > OMG clown loaches grow to be 12" long and need to be in groups of six. A > > 72" tank is best for them, LOL. > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of toddswoman496861@ aim.com > <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> <mailto:toddswoman4 96861%40aim. com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:14 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] clown loaches > > > > I am thinking of getting a couple for my 10 gal tank. What I would > like to > > know is do they get along with Guppies and Otto's? I am wanting the clo > wn > > loaches to help with getting rid of snails. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39834	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I'm really not sure what caused the algae bloom. I added about 10 fish over the coarse of 2 1/2 weeks (I didn't add them all at once), and I added 3 new plants last week, along with 3 of those 10 fish that I added. I didn't get an algae bloom until a few days ago (maybe 4 days ago?). One of my cory's is acting oddly this morning though, perhaps he/she didn't like all the water changes yesterday, I hope it pulls through, it's still alive, just not as active as normal. None of my other tanks have any green water issues, but I do get algae in all of my tanks. Amber William wrote: > > > If you put the UV on the 55 that will kill the algae as it goes > through it. Another suggestion is to put some daphnia in the green > water (they love to eat the pea soup algae) or put a fresh water clam > in the tank (in a small container where you can remove it if you wish. > Clams and muscles are filter feeders the eat suspended algae but you > need to keep an eye on then to make sure that they are still alive. > I wish that I coud get a tank to produce the suspended algae ao that I > coud feed a container of daphnia that I raise for food for my fish.I > put a couple containers out side during the warm weather to raise > daphnia, some other containers I put some tropical fishes on vacation > in the tubs for mosquito control.. If you have the Daphnia magnum they > will eat small mosquito larvae, I very seldom see any larger larvae > and they go into my tanks for live foods. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a > 100% > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's > > a cycled tank as well. > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, > and it > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE > > > statements. > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > > > require > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a > type of > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > > > with discretion. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > > > > according to > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > > > > and see how > > > > they compare. > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > > > > little less > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > > > the refill > > > > > process but > > > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > > > cold water > > > > > baseline test > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > > > most I would try > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > > > could also start > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > water. > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > > > the water change > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39835	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Also I can't get clams (freshwater at least) up here, my LFS doesn't carry them. They also don't carry daphnia and I haven't found a company that will ship it here (since it takes 2 days to get stuff here, minimum). Amber William wrote: > > > If you put the UV on the 55 that will kill the algae as it goes > through it. Another suggestion is to put some daphnia in the green > water (they love to eat the pea soup algae) or put a fresh water clam > in the tank (in a small container where you can remove it if you wish. > Clams and muscles are filter feeders the eat suspended algae but you > need to keep an eye on then to make sure that they are still alive. > I wish that I coud get a tank to produce the suspended algae ao that I > coud feed a container of daphnia that I raise for food for my fish.I > put a couple containers out side during the warm weather to raise > daphnia, some other containers I put some tropical fishes on vacation > in the tubs for mosquito control.. If you have the Daphnia magnum they > will eat small mosquito larvae, I very seldom see any larger larvae > and they go into my tanks for live foods. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a > 100% > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's > > a cycled tank as well. > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, > and it > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE > > > statements. > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > > > require > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a > type of > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > > > with discretion. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > > > > according to > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > > > > and see how > > > > they compare. > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > > > > little less > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > > > the refill > > > > > process but > > > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > > > cold water > > > > > baseline test > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > > > most I would try > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > > > could also start > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > water. > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > > > the water change > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39836	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Male betta....

Okay should I get my male betta a female for a short while? (I can put her in the 55 gallon afterwards) He builds large bubble nests and he "appreciates" his filter intake a bit too much ;) (he displays for it and swims repeatedly in circles around it, and then goes back up and builds more of his nest). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39837	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

I gotcha! Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:48 AM > Okay so what everyone has said is > only add enough prime to treat the > water you are adding to the tank, so since you have not > used any dechlor > product as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole > tank when you > get the prime (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). > Then when you > do your weekly PWC's just add enough to treat the water you > are adding. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM > > > So if the heavy metals don't get used > > > up or evaporate then I suppose an > > > initial dose with prime would be what Bill wants > to do for > > > his whole > > > tank if he has not been using anything so far. > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all > yet? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA > in dechlor > > > products is a > > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy > metals to > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > simpler but... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > and > > > > this one > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it > for the > > > whole tank first > > > > when he > > > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a > small dose? > > > Do heavy metals > > > > evaporate over time? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use > Prime, or > > > any other water > > > > > conditioner, since you have well water, > but, if > > > you insist, when you > > > > > dose the tank during a water change, > you dose the > > > tank for the amount > > > > > of water you are replacing, not the > amount of > > > water in a full tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting > Prime > > > delivered and I would like > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon > > > tanks. I have well water > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at > 25% once a > > > week. Tanks have good > > > > > water parameter's right now and I am > NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem's > > > web site and all over > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to > rather > > > information. So far all can > > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of > a > > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole > tank once > > > and then according with > > > > > each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly into > > > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part > where I take a > > > wrong turn. If your > > > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, > then dose > > > the whole tank. This > > > > > makes no sense to me at all because I > figure by > > > months end, your going > > > > > to have one serious concentration of > this stuff > > > in each tank! Would > > > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right > now please > > > tell me EXACTLY , > > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how > much you > > > are using, any > > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39838	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Lady, I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will have trouble like you would not believe. ol bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > I did a 100% > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > long time of > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > no one is > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > fish in it > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > future, but it's > a cycled tank as well. > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > high powered > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > tank, and it > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > SIMPLE > > statements. > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > other tanks > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > all fine. > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > sit back in your > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > other tanks what > > is different about the 55? > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > timing of each? They > > require > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > too much? Next, > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > Simply put, I > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > algae is a type of > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > much light > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > extensive and > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > alternatives. > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > change. > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > will most likely > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > that you do not > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > Filter. > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > plants but it will > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > Since this is a > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > will need to clean > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > it will block > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > but your purse. > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > only be used > > with discretion. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > this fall > > > according to > > > the notices they send out). > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > hot water > > > and see how > > > they compare. > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > the water a > > > little less > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > or a > > > common one... do you add > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > the tanks? > > > I'm presuming you > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > test on a > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > water to see how much different they start > out and end > > > up. I realize you > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > water during > > > the refill > > > > process but > > > > it could make things a lot different than > just your > > > cold water > > > > baseline test > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > test on > > > the water mix that you > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > it turns > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > boiler that > > > heats up the whole > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > in.... > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > for an hour > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > hanging your > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > LOL > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > you mixing > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > close to the > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > as the > > > water in a hot water > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > This > > > means you will have to > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > cold water > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > maintaining the > > > water temp in the > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > 1/4" stream > > > of water flowing out > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > and it > > > might take a half hour > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > fish will not > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > the cold > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > difference is the > > > most I would try > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > lowering > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > tank heater > > > could also start > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > be able > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > up with. > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > water when > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > gallon bucket > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > will see a > > > big difference in your > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > versus just > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > when mixed > > > with some of the hot > > > > > water. > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > high pH > > > where my hot water is > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > so many > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > inside the hot > > > water heater. Add > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > will have a > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > chemistry > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > side, > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > could do > > > that. But that would > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > only have > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > back up, > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > change > > > water while trying to > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > apparent CO2 > > > concentration in your > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > algae > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > want to > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > it while > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > bloom in my > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > since I did > > > the water change > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > I do less > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > of the > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > I did another water change > today and > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > when I > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > one earlier > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > do you mean > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > If yes, > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > the > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > either splash into the > tank or > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water > much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39839	From: red-eye	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

FYI – those antic bulbs are not really meant for fresh water tank but rather a marine tank. Those bulbs do not help from what I was told by another more experienced than I Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a 100% water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE > statements. > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what > is different about the 55? > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > require > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? Next, > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply put, I > believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a type of > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much light > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive and > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > with discretion. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > already a few months ago, and I know > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing this fall > > according to > > the notices they send out). > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water > > and see how > > they compare. > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a > > little less > > of a shock ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > common one... do you add > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > I'm presuming you > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > gallon of hot and cold > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > up. I realize you > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > the refill > > > process but > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > cold water > > > baseline test > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > the water mix that you > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > out as well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > heats up the whole > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > or so. If you do not > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > cake mixer on the > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > hot and cold water to > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > water in a hot water > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > means you will have to > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > to give the aquarium > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > water temp in the > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > of water flowing out > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > might take a half hour > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > get shocked/stressed > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > most I would try > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > could also start > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > refilling your tanks, > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > for doing a new tap > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > big difference in your > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > with some of the hot > > > > water. > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > where my hot water is > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > of the minerals coming > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > water heater. Add > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > higher CO2 level and > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > that. But that would > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > water while trying to > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > concentration in your > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > place the replacement water > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > doing your water change, > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > the water change > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > water changes? I'm so > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > Try > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > will > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39840	From: gail	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Male betta....

Amber~ Sometimes a female can be good. sometimes bad. The female I got for mine, she chewed up most of the males long flowing fins. It was sad. In other cases, I have seen the female completely dissapear (we can only conclude that he ate her).   Good luck!   --Gail --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Male betta.... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:27 AM Okay should I get my male betta a female for a short while? (I can put her in the 55 gallon afterwards) He builds large bubble nests and he "appreciates" his filter intake a bit too much ;) (he displays for it and swims repeatedly in circles around it, and then goes back up and builds more of his nest). Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39841	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed that! Is that what Amber has in the green 55? No wonder! Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, red-eye <red-eye@...> wrote: > From: red-eye <red-eye@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:15 PM > FYI – those antic bulbs are not > really meant for  fresh water tank but > rather a marine tank. > > Those bulbs do not help from what I was told by another > more experienced > than I > > > > Regards, > > red-eye > > > > > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:53 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). > The UV filter > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > I did a 100% > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > long time of > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > no one is > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > fish in it > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > future, but it's > a cycled tank as well. > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > high powered > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > tank, and it > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > SIMPLE > > statements. > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > other tanks > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > all fine. > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > sit back in your > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > other tanks what > > is different about the 55? > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > timing of each? They > > require > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > too much? Next, > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > Simply put, I > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > algae is a type of > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > much light > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > extensive and > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > alternatives. > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > change. > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > will most likely > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > that you do not > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > Filter. > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > plants but it will > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > Since this is a > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > will need to clean > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > it will block > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > but your purse. > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > only be used > > with discretion. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> com > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > this fall > > > according to > > > the notices they send out). > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > hot water > > > and see how > > > they compare. > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > the water a > > > little less > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > or a > > > common one... do you add > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > the tanks? > > > I'm presuming you > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > test on a > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > water to see how much different they start > out and end > > > up. I realize you > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > water during > > > the refill > > > > process but > > > > it could make things a lot different than > just your > > > cold water > > > > baseline test > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > test on > > > the water mix that you > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > it turns > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > boiler that > > > heats up the whole > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > in.... > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > for an hour > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > hanging your > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > LOL > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > you mixing > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > close to the > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > as the > > > water in a hot water > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > This > > > means you will have to > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > cold water > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > maintaining the > > > water temp in the > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > 1/4" stream > > > of water flowing out > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > and it > > > might take a half hour > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > fish will not > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > the cold > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > difference is the > > > most I would try > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > lowering > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > tank heater > > > could also start > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > be able > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > up with. > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > water when > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > gallon bucket > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > will see a > > > big difference in your > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > versus just > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > when mixed > > > with some of the hot > > > > > water. > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > high pH > > > where my hot water is > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > so many > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > inside the hot > > > water heater. Add > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > will have a > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > chemistry > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > side, > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > could do > > > that. But that would > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > only have > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > back up, > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > change > > > water while trying to > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > apparent CO2 > > > concentration in your > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > algae > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > want to > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > it while > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > bloom in my > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > since I did > > > the water change > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > I do less > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > of the > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > I did another water change > today and > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > when I > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > one earlier > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > do you mean > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > If yes, > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > the > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > either splash into the > tank or > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water > much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39842	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

You better watch out if you name a fish "Lenny"... that could be one rude, crude and obnoxious fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r It's all about the brown snakes and getting bit on the behind. The flu has nothing to do with it since the animals we share the infection with are pigs and poultry-food animals. These won't get banned. Other country's will ban our pork and poultry, purportedly to protect from the flu, as China and Russia already have. But, in line with your concerns, they didn't really do it because of the flu. "It's really all about the money," not the public's health or money that matters most. They do it for business; to protect their businesses. Government regulation usually goes wrong when it's actually about protecting or promoting a private interest (e.g., high tariffs on imported sugar protect corn, ethanol subsidies protect corn, extension of the copyright time benefits Disney and the record companies). Business corrupts government. The availability of government protection corrupts business. Follow the money if you want to predict what will happen. Does any business interest stand to make money from HR 669? If not, I doubt it will pass. It has no popular appeal to promote it in lieu of a business interest. But just in case I am wrong, I am going to get Tim's One and Only to speed up the cycling of my new tank, so I can get some Bolivian Rams this weekend. I am going to name the male Lenny. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39843	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Like someone else suggested (and if you do not want to buy a Vortex Diatom Filter,as suggested by Bill), you could load up one or more baskets in your Filstar canister with poly-fill media (like the stuff used for filling some bed pillows) and this dense layer of poly-fill will help to catch the suspended algae as it goes through your filter system. You will have to change it out every day or two. In other forums, I've seen folks buy the poly-fill at craft stores but you always have to worry about buying something not intended for our aquarium. Do some Googling for - pillow poly-fill in aquarium filter - for more info and maybe a specific brand name. Here's DFS' brand but it's NOT cheap like it would be at a craft store. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4235&pcat id=4235 You will see in the description that it's "100% pure polyester fiber" so look for that on any pillow stuffing you find at a craft store. Walmart may also sell this stuff. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Yesterday I did a PWC every hour after work until I had changed all the water, so the tank appears clear, but I won't know until the lights kick on later today ;) I will do some more PWC's today if I need to, but it seemed to help. I also cleaned both filters. Amber hank voss wrote: > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > AMBER: > What you have here is an algae "bloom" which happens when you add new > water to a "green" tank.The most effective way to get rid of it is a > complete water change but very few people have that much water in storage. > 2- Algaecide(will clear your tank in 1-2 days) but may do your plants > in during the process. > 3-Use a DENSE bed of filter floss in the filter(more effective than > sponges)aand change material every day or two(time consuming)but does > work. > 4- Turn off lights.This will take a long time and will not do your > plants any good. > My tannks were breeding setups so the only plants I had were one that > could be moved to another tanks.The quickest way to get rid of it is > using an algaecide.Good Luck. > Regards Hank > > ======================================= > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did the water change > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less water changes? I'm so confused, LOL. > > > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39844	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

And once again, I reiterate that Prime is not really what you need. You could get the API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost (probably a third) of Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will last 5X to 10X longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since all you need is the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really is OVERKILL. Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with fish to help make the ammonia less or non-toxic. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to treat the water you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any dechlor product as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank when you get the prime (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when you do your weekly PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are adding. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > No additives at all here. > > Bill > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if the heavy metals don't > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an initial dose with prime > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole tank if he has not been > > using anything so far. > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all yet? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA in dechlor > > products is a > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy metals to > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any simpler but... > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > and > > > this one > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it for the > > whole tank first > > > when he > > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a small dose? > > Do heavy metals > > > evaporate over time? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or > > any other water > > > > conditioner, since you have well water, but, if > > you insist, when you > > > > dose the tank during a water change, you dose the > > tank for the amount > > > > of water you are replacing, not the amount of > > water in a full tank. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime > > delivered and I would like > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon > > tanks. I have well water > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at 25% once a > > week. Tanks have good > > > > water parameter's right now and I am NOT using > > any additives as yet. > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on Seachem's > > web site and all over > > > > creation on the Internet trying to rather > > information. So far all can > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of a > > headache! > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once > > and then according with > > > > each water change, depending on if you use > > buckets, then directly into > > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part where I take a > > wrong turn. If your > > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, then dose > > the whole tank. This > > > > makes no sense to me at all because I figure by > > months end, your going > > > > to have one serious concentration of this stuff > > in each tank! Would > > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right now please > > tell me EXACTLY , > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you > > are using, any > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39845	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Then you only need to run the lighting 1/2 the time compared to the 125G. This over-lighting very well could be the cause of the algae. Remember, the light, nutrients, CO2 needs to be in balance... if out of balance, algae is more likely to form. It takes some experimentation to get the balance right. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I have a UV filter, not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. I did a 100% water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Been following along here and I want to make a few SIMPLE statements. > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have other tanks > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are all fine. > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or sit back in your > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the other tanks what is > different about the 55? > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and timing of each? They > require a good amount of proper light, could they be getting too much? > Next, the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? Simply > put, I believe if you will check, you will find that green algae is a > type of green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too much > light intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is extensive > and you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 alternatives. > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water change. > next, you can use an additive for control but this will most likely > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice that you do not > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom Filter. > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the plants but it will > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. Since this is a > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you will need to clean > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as it will block > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything but your purse. > They are fantastic products but like any other device, only be used > with discretion. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline of mixed > > water already a few months ago, and I know the water supply hasn't > > changed (will be changing this fall according to the notices they > > send out). > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just hot water and see > > how they compare. > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make the water a little > > less of a shock ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater or a > > common one... do you add > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling the tanks? > > I'm presuming you > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline test on a > > gallon of hot and cold > > > water to see how much different they start out and end > > up. I realize you > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot water during > > the refill > > > process but > > > it could make things a lot different than just your > > cold water > > > baseline test > > > results. You could also do a third baseline test on > > the water mix that you > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how it turns > > out as well. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a boiler that > > heats up the whole > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor in.... > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket for an hour > > or so. If you do not > > > > have an extra air pump around, then hanging your > > cake mixer on the > > > > side of the bucket would also work. LOL > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are you mixing > > hot and cold water to > > > > raise the tap water temperature up close to the > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, as the > > water in a hot water > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. This > > means you will have to > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the cold water > > to give the aquarium > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with maintaining the > > water temp in the > > > > tank. You might have to have only a 1/4" stream > > of water flowing out > > > > of the Python during the refill process and it > > might take a half hour > > > > to refill the tank but at least the fish will not > > get shocked/stressed > > > > from a drastic temperature change if the cold > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F difference is the > > most I would try > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in lowering > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > but doing this very slowly where the tank heater > > could also start > > > > warming up the water and the fish would be able > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep up with. > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold water when > > refilling your tanks, > > > > use this same water flow to fill a gallon bucket > > for doing a new tap > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you will see a > > big difference in your > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water versus just > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water when mixed > > with some of the hot > > > > water. > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a high pH > > where my hot water is > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to so many > > of the minerals coming > > > > out of solution while "distilling" inside the hot > > water heater. Add > > > > that to the fact that the hot water will have a > > higher CO2 level and > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water chemistry > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I could do > > that. But that would > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I only have > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank back up, > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to change > > water while trying to > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The apparent CO2 > > concentration in your > > > > > tap water may well be helping the algae > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > a regular water change, you may want to > > place the replacement water > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate it while > > doing your water change, > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse since I did > > the water change > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should I do less > > water changes? I'm so > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides of the > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > I did another water change today and > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more when I > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did one earlier > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. do you mean > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > glass during the refill? If yes, > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > Try > > > > > > > refilling and allowing the > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > either splash into the tank or > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > will > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > outgas the tap water much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39846	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

"API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction.........Len" Hi Len, Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or better yet, some of your now famous, web links. Please remember that I am out of the hobby 30 years and not only have I never used any of these products, I have never heard of them either. Any additional information would be helpful. I am just interested in what is best for my fish. Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM > And once again, I reiterate that > Prime is not really what you need.  You > could get the API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction > of the cost > (probably a third) of Prime and then they are more > concentrated so they will > last 5X to 10X longer than the same sized bottle of > Prime... since all you > need is the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really > is OVERKILL. > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with fish > to help make the > ammonia less or non-toxic.  > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to > treat the water > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any > dechlor product > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank when > you get the prime > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when you do > your weekly > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are adding. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if the > heavy metals don't > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > initial dose with prime > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole tank > if he has not been > > > using anything so far. > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all > yet? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA > in dechlor > > > products is a > > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy > metals to > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > simpler but... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > and > > > > this one > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > reply are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it > for the > > > whole tank first > > > > when he > > > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a > small dose? > > > Do heavy metals > > > > evaporate over time? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use > Prime, or > > > any other water > > > > > conditioner, since you have well water, > but, if > > > you insist, when you > > > > > dose the tank during a water change, > you dose the > > > tank for the amount > > > > > of water you are replacing, not the > amount of > > > water in a full tank. > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting > Prime > > > delivered and I would like > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > 29-gallon > > > tanks. I have well water > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at > 25% once a > > > week. Tanks have good > > > > > water parameter's right now and I am > NOT using > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > Seachem's > > > web site and all over > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to > rather > > > information. So far all can > > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of > a > > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole > tank once > > > and then according with > > > > > each water change, depending on if you > use > > > buckets, then directly into > > > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part > where I take a > > > wrong turn. If your > > > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, > then dose > > > the whole tank. This > > > > > makes no sense to me at all because I > figure by > > > months end, your going > > > > > to have one serious concentration of > this stuff > > > in each tank! Would > > > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right > now please > > > tell me EXACTLY , > > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how > much you > > > are using, any > > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39847	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents produce. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Lady, > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > have trouble like you would not believe. > > ol bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > I did a 100% > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > long time of > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > > no one is > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > fish in it > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > future, but it's > > a cycled tank as well. > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > high powered > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > tank, and it > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > SIMPLE > > > statements. > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > other tanks > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > all fine. > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > sit back in your > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > other tanks what > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > timing of each? They > > > require > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > too much? Next, > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > Simply put, I > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > algae is a type of > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > much light > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > extensive and > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > alternatives. > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > change. > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > will most likely > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > that you do not > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > Filter. > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > plants but it will > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > Since this is a > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > will need to clean > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > it will block > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > but your purse. > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > only be used > > > with discretion. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > this fall > > > > according to > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > hot water > > > > and see how > > > > they compare. > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > the water a > > > > little less > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > or a > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > the tanks? > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > test on a > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > out and end > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > water during > > > > the refill > > > > > process but > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > just your > > > > cold water > > > > > baseline test > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > test on > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > it turns > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > > boiler that > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > > for an hour > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > > hanging your > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > > you mixing > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > > close to the > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > > as the > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > > This > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > > cold water > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > > maintaining the > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > > 1/4" stream > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > > and it > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > > fish will not > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > > the cold > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > > difference is the > > > > most I would try > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > > lowering > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > > tank heater > > > > could also start > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > > be able > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > > water when > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > > gallon bucket > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > > will see a > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > > versus just > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > > when mixed > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > water. > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > > high pH > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > > so many > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > > inside the hot > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > > will have a > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > > chemistry > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > > side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > > in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > > could do > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > > only have > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > > back up, > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > > change > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > > apparent CO2 > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > > algae > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > > want to > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > > it while > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > > PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > > bloom in my > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > > since I did > > > > the water change > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > > I do less > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > > of the > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > I did another water change > > today and > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > > when I > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > > one earlier > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > > do you mean > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > > If yes, > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > > the > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > either splash into the > > tank or > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > the tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39848	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank and not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish bumps them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should I just wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I don't want to do another water change as I think that's what upset them in the first place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the cory's are all fine. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish > in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a > couple of hours. > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables indoors > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the > fluorescents produce. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > ol bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > I did a 100% > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > > long time of > > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > > > no one is > > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > > fish in it > > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > > future, but it's > > > a cycled tank as well. > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > > high powered > > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > > tank, and it > > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > SIMPLE > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > other tanks > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > sit back in your > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > other tanks what > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > timing of each? They > > > > require > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > too much? Next, > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > Simply put, I > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > algae is a type of > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > much light > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > extensive and > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > change. > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > will most likely > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > that you do not > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > plants but it will > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > Since this is a > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > will need to clean > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > it will block > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > but your purse. > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > only be used > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > this fall > > > > > according to > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > hot water > > > > > and see how > > > > > they compare. > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > the water a > > > > > little less > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > or a > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > the tanks? > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > test on a > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > out and end > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > water during > > > > > the refill > > > > > > process but > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > just your > > > > > cold water > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > test on > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > it turns > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > > reply are > > > > > listed on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > > under > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > > > boiler that > > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > > > for an hour > > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > > > hanging your > > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > > > you mixing > > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > > > close to the > > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > > > as the > > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > > > This > > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > > > cold water > > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > > > maintaining the > > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > > > 1/4" stream > > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > > > and it > > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > > > fish will not > > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > > > the cold > > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > > > difference is the > > > > > most I would try > > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > > > lowering > > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > > > tank heater > > > > > could also start > > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > > > be able > > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > > > water when > > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > > > gallon bucket > > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > > > will see a > > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > > > versus just > > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > > > when mixed > > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > > > high pH > > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > > > so many > > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > > > inside the hot > > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > > > will have a > > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > > > chemistry > > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > > > side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > > > in my 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > > > could do > > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > > > only have > > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > > > back up, > > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > > > change > > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > > > apparent CO2 > > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > > > algae > > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > > > want to > > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > > > it while > > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > > > PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > > > bloom in my > > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > > > since I did > > > > > the water change > > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > > > I do less > > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > > > of the > > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > > I did another water change > > > today and > > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > > > when I > > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > > > one earlier > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > > > do you mean > > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > > > If yes, > > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > > > the > > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > > either splash into the > > > tank or > > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > > the tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39849	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Also you guys should read this about the actinic lighting if you have planted tanks, found it very interesting. http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank and > not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish bumps > them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should I just > wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I don't want to > do another water change as I think that's what upset them in the first > place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the cory's are all fine. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish > > in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green > > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came > > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a > > couple of hours. > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum > > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables indoors > > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when > > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the > > fluorescents produce. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > I did a 100% > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > > > long time of > > > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > > > > no one is > > > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > > > fish in it > > > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > > > future, but it's > > > > a cycled tank as well. > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > > > high powered > > > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > > > tank, and it > > > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > other tanks > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > sit back in your > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > other tanks what > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > require > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > much light > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > extensive and > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > change. > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > will most likely > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > that you do not > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > plants but it will > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > Since this is a > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > will need to clean > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > it will block > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > but your purse. > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > only be used > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > this fall > > > > > > according to > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > hot water > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > the water a > > > > > > little less > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > or a > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > test on a > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > out and end > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > water during > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > just your > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > test on > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > it turns > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > > > reply are > > > > > > listed on the right > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > > > under > > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > > 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > > > > boiler that > > > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > > > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > > > > for an hour > > > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > > > > hanging your > > > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > > > > you mixing > > > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > > > > close to the > > > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > > > > as the > > > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > > > > This > > > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > > > > cold water > > > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > > > > maintaining the > > > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > > > > 1/4" stream > > > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > > > > and it > > > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > > > > fish will not > > > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > > > > the cold > > > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > > > > difference is the > > > > > > most I would try > > > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > > > > lowering > > > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > > > > tank heater > > > > > > could also start > > > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > > > > be able > > > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > > > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > > > > water when > > > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > > > > gallon bucket > > > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > > > > will see a > > > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > > > > versus just > > > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > > > > when mixed > > > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > > > > high pH > > > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > > > > so many > > > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > > > > inside the hot > > > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > > > > will have a > > > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > > > > chemistry > > > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > > > > side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > > > > in my 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > > > > could do > > > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > > > > only have > > > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > > > > back up, > > > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > > > > change > > > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > > > > apparent CO2 > > > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > > > > algae > > > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > > > > want to > > > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > > > > it while > > > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > > > > bloom in my > > > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > > > > since I did > > > > > > the water change > > > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > > > > I do less > > > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > > > > of the > > > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > > > I did another water change > > > > today and > > > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > > > > when I > > > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > > > > one earlier > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > > > > do you mean > > > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > > > > If yes, > > > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > > > > the > > > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > > > either splash into the > > > > tank or > > > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > > > the tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39850	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

So according to that site the actinic's really don't do anything for freshwater plants (they didn't address if it causes algae or not). So in reality there's only 2x 65 watts of 10k lighting over the tank, the other 2x 65 watts are the actinic bulbs. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Also you guys should read this about the actinic lighting if you have > planted tanks, found it very interesting. > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank and > > not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish bumps > > them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should I just > > wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I don't want to > > do another water change as I think that's what upset them in the first > > place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the cory's are all fine. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish > > > in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a > green > > > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it > came > > > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a > > > couple of hours. > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > spectrum > > > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables > indoors > > > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do > better when > > > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent > > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the > > > fluorescents produce. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > changes, > > > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > since Corn > > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > You will > > > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > > > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > > > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > > > > long time of > > > > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > > > > > no one is > > > > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > > > > fish in it > > > > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > > > > future, but it's > > > > > a cycled tank as well. > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > > > > high powered > > > > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > > > > tank, and it > > > > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > require > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > much light > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > change. > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > it will block > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > only be used > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > or a > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > water during > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > just your > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > test on > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>>> > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > > > > reply are > > > > > > > listed on the right > > > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > > > > under > > > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > > > > 55 > > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > > > > > boiler that > > > > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > > > > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > > > > > for an hour > > > > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > > > > > hanging your > > > > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > > > > > you mixing > > > > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > > > > > close to the > > > > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > > > > > as the > > > > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > > > > > This > > > > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > > > > > maintaining the > > > > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > > > > > 1/4" stream > > > > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > > > > > and it > > > > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > > > > > fish will not > > > > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > > > > > the cold > > > > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > > > > > difference is the > > > > > > > most I would try > > > > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > > > > > lowering > > > > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > > > > > tank heater > > > > > > > could also start > > > > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > > > > > be able > > > > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > > > > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > > > > > water when > > > > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > > > > > gallon bucket > > > > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > > > > > will see a > > > > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > > > > > versus just > > > > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > > > > > when mixed > > > > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > > > > > high pH > > > > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > > > > > so many > > > > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > > > > > inside the hot > > > > > > > water heater. 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AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > > > > > in my 55 > > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > > > > > could do > > > > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > > > > > only have > > > > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > > > > > back up, > > > > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > > > > > change > > > > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > > > > > apparent CO2 > > > > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > > > > > algae > > > > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > > > > > want to > > > > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > > > > > it while > > > > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > > > > > bloom in my > > > > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > > > > > since I did > > > > > > > the water change > > > > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > > > > > I do less > > > > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > > > > > of the > > > > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > > > > I did another water change > > > > > today and > > > > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > > > > > when I > > > > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > > > > > one earlier > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > > > > > do you mean > > > > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > > > > > If yes, > > > > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > > > > > the > > > > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > > > > either splash into the > > > > > tank or > > > > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > > > > the tank. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39851	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Now Amber, You should know by now, just because it was not there before, NOT! I would always error on the time present side, 3 weeks, NOT! Now if you said 3 months, maybe. From reading here on this group, most postings will give a tank, depending on water conditions, additives like one and only, stabilizers, whatever, about 4 to 6 weeks to settle in. I would give it 2 months! Now with that said, it seems this tank, its tests not withstanding, may have been, certainly the algae was, in some cycle. Extension of the time plus the adding of new plants and you have a possibility of a mess. I love plants, I have nothing but respect for the folks that have them in a balanced tank situation. The planted aquarium needs one very important thing to succeeded at all. TIME. And by time I mean remaining in balance for at least a few months with no new additions to population save for the plants themselves. There are many on this group that have these very aquariums. Well planted and in balance, I have seen their pictures of them. I do not have that kind of luck and would not attempt it. Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 2:34 PM > The thing I don't understand is why > didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? > I had fish > in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't > have a green > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm > guessing it came > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my > lighting down a > couple of hours. > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the > "blue" spectrum > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > vegetables indoors > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always > do better when > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added > fluorescent > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white > lights the > fluorescents produce. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With > the water changes, > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you > will be ok. > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest > thing since Corn > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go > there! You will > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > ol bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank > right now. > > > I did a 100% > > > water change in partial water changes last night > (took a > > > long time of > > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all > still fine, > > > no one is > > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > as I have > > > fish in it > > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the > near > > > future, but it's > > > a cycled tank as well. > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has > a very > > > high powered > > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the > 125 gallon > > > tank, and it > > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > actinic. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make > a few > > > SIMPLE > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I > know you have > > > other tanks > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here > that they are > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, > stand back or > > > sit back in your > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong > with the > > > other tanks what > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type > and > > > timing of each? They > > > > require > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be > getting > > > too much? Next, > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too > many fish? > > > Simply put, I > > > > believe if you will check, you will find > that green > > > algae is a type of > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much > light or too > > > much light > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it > really is > > > extensive and > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a > 100% water > > > change. > > > > next, you can use an additive for control > but this > > > will most likely > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a > last choice > > > that you do not > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a > Vortex Diatom > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not > hurt the > > > plants but it will > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or > take. > > > Since this is a > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 > microns, you > > > will need to clean > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least > twice, as > > > it will block > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm > anything > > > but your purse. > > > > They are fantastic products but like any > other device, > > > only be used > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will > be changing > > > this fall > > > > > according to > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a > test of just > > > hot water > > > > > and see how > > > > > they compare. > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot > to make > > > the water a > > > > > little less > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot > water heater > > > or a > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when > refilling > > > the tanks? > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour > baseline > > > test on a > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > water to see how much different > they start > > > out and end > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of > the hot > > > water during > > > > > the refill > > > > > > process but > > > > > > it could make things a lot > different than > > > just your > > > > > cold water > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > results. You could also do a third > baseline > > > test on > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just > to see how > > > it turns > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced > in above > > > reply are > > > > > listed on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels > and also > > > under > > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 > 12:25 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > bloom in my > > > 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, > there's a > > > boiler that > > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that > will factor > > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in > the bucket > > > for an hour > > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > > have an extra air pump > around, then > > > hanging your > > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > > side of the bucket would also > work. > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the > Python, are > > > you mixing > > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > > raise the tap water > temperature up > > > close to the > > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > > might have to quit using the > hot water, > > > as the > > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > > heater will have a very high > CO2 level. > > > This > > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with > only the > > > cold water > > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up > with > > > maintaining the > > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > > tank. You might have to have > only a > > > 1/4" stream > > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > > of the Python during the > refill process > > > and it > > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > > to refill the tank but at > least the > > > fish will not > > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > > from a drastic temperature > change if > > > the cold > > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An > 8F > > > difference is the > > > > > most I would try > > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would > result in > > > lowering > > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > > but doing this very slowly > where the > > > tank heater > > > > > could also start > > > > > > > warming up the water and the > fish would > > > be able > > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > > any change that the heater > cannot keep > > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot > and cold > > > water when > > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > > use this same water flow to > fill a > > > gallon bucket > > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm > betting you > > > will see a > > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > > baseline tests from this > mixed water > > > versus just > > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my > tap water > > > when mixed > > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > My cold water is moderately > hard with a > > > high pH > > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > > much softer with a much lower > pH due to > > > so many > > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > > out of solution while > "distilling" > > > inside the hot > > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot > water > > > will have a > > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference > in water > > > chemistry > > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced > in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > > and also under Archives by > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 > 10:01 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] > Algae bloom > > > in my 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I > suppose I > > > could do > > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a > time as I > > > only have > > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > > would be slow going to fill > the tank > > > back up, > > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally > recommended to > > > change > > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness > issue. The > > > apparent CO2 > > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > > tap water may well be > helping the > > > algae > > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > > a regular water change, > you may > > > want to > > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > > in a bucket and > vigorously agitate > > > it while > > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > > prior to adding it to > the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, > 2009 9:53 > > > PM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [AquaticLife] Algae > > > bloom in my > > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water > seems worse > > > since I did > > > > > the water change > > > > > > > > earlier this > afternoon.... Should > > > I do less > > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on > the sides > > > of the > > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > > I did another water > change > > > today and > > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > > definitely let it > outgas more > > > when I > > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > > another PWC > tonight? I did > > > one earlier > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka > GoldLenny > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say > bubbles.. > > > do you mean > > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > > glass during > the refill? > > > If yes, > > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles > forming. > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > refilling and > allowing > > > the > > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > > either splash > into the > > > tank or > > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > > the tank. > This > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > outgas the tap > water > > > much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny > Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING > below it > > > when > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, > DELETE all TEXT > > > that is > > > > > NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the > > > TOPIC of > > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE > > > -> i.e. "new > > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP > in this > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups > emails, > > > instead of > > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery > > > option by > > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive the digest, which includes > up to 25 > > > posts at a > > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will > still be > > > able to > > > > > read messages on the group and post > replies. > > > > > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE > -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, > instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery > option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home > page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 > posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be > able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39852	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

API Tap Water Conditioner (which is kind of an overkill in name since it doesn't "condition" the water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal treatment... it does not have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK in it... only Sodium Thiosulfate and EDTA) Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at http://www.BigAlsOnline.com $5.49 for 16 oz. I would post a link but it was too long and would only break anyhow. Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on the 16 oz., in the Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon size so I opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale right now for only $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmpid=03c seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for API Tap Water Conditioner. Here's DFS's description: This super-strength water conditioner instantly removes chlorine and detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting up a new aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. To remove chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one teaspoon per 100 gallons of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats approximately 40 gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded for 5ml or 10ml and I always used only 1ml per 10G. 1 teaspoon equal around 5 ml and they suggest 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was close enough at 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per 3-4G whenever I top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm technically overdosing during the top-offs but slightly under dosing during the PWC's. Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got at my local PetsMart when I was running low on the API and didn't want to pay the added shipping charges for just one thing. Top Fin also makes a "Tap Water Conditioner" but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the "Top Fin Tap Water Dechlorinator". As far as I know, PetsMart is the only place that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes other products that are sold on other sites. I also suspect that Top Fin makes the private label brands for many other sites that sell their own brands... but it may not be the same concentration. http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the instructions, you do NOT need more of this for whether you are treating chlorine or chloramine like API's instruction say. Product Description: Item: 2752208 Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in existing aquariums or ponds. 1ml per 10G. 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best bargain as it treats 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the Top Fin 8 oz. bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus shipping if you do not have a local PetsMart). Unfortunately, my local PetsMart quit carrying the larger bottles of API's product and only carries a 2 oz. bottle now which is why I switched to the Top Fin product. I plan to buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... and since it's on sale until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than I had planned. ;-) Of course, the above prices are reflecting PetsMart.com NEW higher online prices. Their online prices use to be much more competitive until the past year when they raised their online prices to be more inline with their retail store prices. I use to save 30-50% at my local PetsMart when I would bring in the online prices but lately, the prices have been the same. Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over buying the higher priced Prime. ;-) According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will treat 2,500G so it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin product but only half the strength of API's product. The 8 oz. bottle of Prime sells for $7.49 where the 16 oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now. You would need four 8 oz. bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as one 16 oz. bottle of API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that means you owe me $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction.........Len" Hi Len, Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or better yet, some of your now famous, web links. Please remember that I am out of the hobby 30 years and not only have I never used any of these products, I have never heard of them either. Any additional information would be helpful. I am just interested in what is best for my fish. Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once again, I reiterate > that Prime is not really what you need.  You could get the API or Top > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost (probably a third) of > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will last 5X to 10X > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since all you need is > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really is OVERKILL. > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with fish to help make > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to > treat the water > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any > dechlor product > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank when > you get the prime > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when you do > your weekly > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are adding. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if the > heavy metals don't > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > initial dose with prime > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole tank > if he has not been > > > using anything so far. > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all > yet? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA > in dechlor > > > products is a > > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy > metals to > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > simpler but... > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > and > > > > this one > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39853	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced a new strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is different than other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said you did not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. right? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents produce. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Lady, > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > have trouble like you would not believe. > > ol bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not sure > > what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim > > on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > I did a 100% > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time > > of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one > > is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in > > it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, > > but it's a cycled tank as well. > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > SIMPLE > > > statements. > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > other tanks > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > all fine. > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > sit back in your > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > other tanks what > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > timing of each? They > > > require > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > too much? Next, > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > Simply put, I > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > algae is a type of > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > much light > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > extensive and > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > alternatives. > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > change. > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > will most likely > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > that you do not > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > Filter. > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > plants but it will > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > Since this is a > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > will need to clean > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > it will block > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > but your purse. > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > only be used > > > with discretion. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline of > > > > mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the water > > > > supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > this fall > > > > according to > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > hot water > > > > and see how > > > > they compare. > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > the water a > > > > little less > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > or a > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > the tanks? > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > test on a > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > out and end > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > water during > > > > the refill > > > > > process but > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > just your > > > > cold water > > > > > baseline test > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > test on > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > it turns > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39854	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Hopefully they will be OK but you did go a little crazy doing all them 1 hour PWC's. ;-) Even for things like high levels of ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, etc., I normally would not recommend doing that many PWC's that frequently. I would have done a PWC and give them a couple of hours to adjust... then another PWC, etc... especially since we aren't sure if your tap water has a higher CO2 level right now. Remember that what happens to one fish will not always happen to other fish... just like a classroom of kids will NOT all get sick just because one of them get sick. It all depends on the immune systems, osmoregulatory systems, their general ability to handle stress, etc. The two that are showing issues may just have been slightly "weaker" than the others so all the PWC's affected them a little more. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank and not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish bumps them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should I just wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I don't want to do another water change as I think that's what upset them in the first place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the cory's are all fine. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish > in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a > green water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing > it came in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting > down a couple of hours. > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies > always do better when they're on an east/west facing window sill with > added fluorescent lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the > white lights the fluorescents produce. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > ol bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the > > > eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > I did a 100% > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time > > > of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no > > > one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > > fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > > future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > > > actinic. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > SIMPLE > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > other tanks > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > sit back in your > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > other tanks what > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > timing of each? They > > > > require > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > too much? Next, > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > Simply put, I > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > algae is a type of > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > much light > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > extensive and > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > change. > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > will most likely > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > that you do not > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > plants but it will > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > Since this is a > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > will need to clean > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > it will block > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > but your purse. > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > only be used > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39855	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I would say that any kind of light will cause plants to photosynthesize... some spectrums might be better than others but the two actinic lights are still giving off light. Aren't these compact fluorescent lightbulbs also? Remember that CFL's put out up to 2-3 times more lumens (light) than regular fluorescent bulbs so your 2x65 of 10K would be equal to 4-5 65W regular fluorescent bulbs and THAT IS A LOT OF LIGHT FOR A 55G TANK.... over 5 watts per gallon in old-time calculations which would recommend only 3 watts per gallon at most for a simple planted tank (simple meaning no CO2 injection, etc.)... so you are likely giving the tank WAY TOO MUCH LIGHTING, IMO. BTW... do your fish look like this? http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j pg Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon So according to that site the actinic's really don't do anything for freshwater plants (they didn't address if it causes algae or not). So in reality there's only 2x 65 watts of 10k lighting over the tank, the other 2x 65 watts are the actinic bulbs. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Also you guys should read this about the actinic lighting if you have > planted tanks, found it very interesting. > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank > > and not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish > > bumps them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should > > I just wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I > > don't want to do another water change as I think that's what upset > > them in the first place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the cory's are all fine. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I > > > had fish in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It > > > didn't have a > green > > > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it > came > > > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down > > > a couple of hours. > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > spectrum > > > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables > indoors > > > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do > better when > > > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent > > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights > > > the fluorescents produce. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > changes, > > > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > since Corn > > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > You will > > > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39856	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Len, A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on the table about 2 weeks ago before I ordered the Prime. If you did, then I missed it. For the past 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I told you about. Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume that there is no harm in changing from one product to another after the Prime is used up later? In any event, thanks so much for your posting and most especially thanks for your recommendations and comments on the dosing of the stuff toward the bottom of your message. We went through enough of that getting the proper dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me asking! <grin> Thanks again, Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM > API Tap Water Conditioner (which is > kind of an overkill in name since it > doesn't "condition" the water other than as a dechlor and > heavy metal > treatment... it does not have Aloe or Slime-this or > Stress-that type JUNK in > it... only Sodium Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but > it was too long and would only > break anyhow. > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on the > 16 oz., in the > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon size > so I opened > DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale right now for > only $4.39 (Sale > ends May 4, 2009) > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmpid=03c > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for API > Tap Water > Conditioner. > > Here's DFS's description: > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly removes > chlorine and > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting up a > new aquarium or > adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. To remove chlorine > and detoxify > heavy metals, use one teaspoon per 100 gallons of water. To > detoxify > chloramine, 1 tsp treats approximately 40 gallons. 16 oz > treats 9,600 > gallons. > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded for > 5ml or 10ml and I > always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon equal around > 5 ml and they suggest > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was close > enough at 1ml per > 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per 3-4G whenever I > top off my tanks > between PWC's so I'm technically overdosing during the > top-offs but slightly > under dosing during the PWC's. > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got at > my local PetsMart > when I was running low on the API and didn't want to pay > the added shipping > charges for just one thing.  Top Fin also makes a "Tap > Water Conditioner" > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the "Top > Fin Tap Water > Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, PetsMart is the > only place that I've seen > this sold although Top Fin makes other products that are > sold on other > sites.  I also suspect that Top Fin makes the private > label brands for many > other sites that sell their own brands... but it may not be > the same > concentration. > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > instructions, you do NOT need > more of this for whether you are treating chlorine or > chloramine like API's > instruction say. > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in existing > aquariums or > ponds. > > 1ml per 10G. > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best bargain as > it treats 9,600 > gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the Top Fin 8 > oz. bottle treats > only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus shipping if you do not > have a local > PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my local PetsMart quit > carrying the larger > bottles of API's product and only carries a 2 oz. bottle > now which is why I > switched to the Top Fin product.  I plan to buy the > API brand again on my > next DFS order... and since it's on sale until May 4, 2009, > I may be > ordering sooner than I had planned. ;-) > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting PetsMart.com NEW > higher online > prices.  Their online prices use to be much more > competitive until the past > year when they raised their online prices to be more inline > with their > retail store prices.  I use to save 30-50% at my local > PetsMart when I would > bring in the online prices but lately, the prices have been > the same. > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over > buying the higher > priced Prime. ;-)  > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will > treat 2,500G so it's > similar in concentration to the Top Fin product but only > half the strength > of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of Prime sells for > $7.49 where the 16 > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You would > need four 8 oz. > bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as one > 16 oz. bottle of > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that means > you owe me $2.50 > for my 10% commission. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > fraction.........Len" > > Hi Len, > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or > better yet, some > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember that I > am out of the hobby > 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > products, I have never > heard of them either.  Any additional information > would be helpful.  I am > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once again, > I reiterate > > that Prime is not really what you need.  You could > get the API or Top > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost > (probably a third) of > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will > last 5X to 10X > > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since > all you need is > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really is > OVERKILL. > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with > fish to help make > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough > prime to > > treat the water > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used > any > > dechlor product > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank > when > > you get the prime > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when > you do > > your weekly > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are > adding. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if > the > > heavy metals don't > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > > initial dose with prime > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole > tank > > if he has not been > > > > using anything so far. > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at > all > > yet? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The > EDTA > > in dechlor > > > > products is a > > > > > chelating agent that binds with the > heavy > > metals to > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > > simpler but... > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > and > > > > > this one > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39857	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Lol, no I don't think it seems to bright to me, but that's me I suppose. There's also a LOT of floating duckweed gotta keep that in mind ;) I turned off the actinic lights completely, so only the 2x 10k lights are on, honestly I think I would like to switch the 10k lights to dual 67k/10k lights instead, but I'll have to do that another time. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I would say that any kind of light will cause plants to photosynthesize... > some spectrums might be better than others but the two actinic lights are > still giving off light. Aren't these compact fluorescent lightbulbs also? > Remember that CFL's put out up to 2-3 times more lumens (light) than > regular > fluorescent bulbs so your 2x65 of 10K would be equal to 4-5 65W regular > fluorescent bulbs and THAT IS A LOT OF LIGHT FOR A 55G TANK.... over 5 > watts > per gallon in old-time calculations which would recommend only 3 watts per > gallon at most for a simple planted tank (simple meaning no CO2 injection, > etc.)... so you are likely giving the tank WAY TOO MUCH LIGHTING, IMO. > > BTW... do your fish look like this? > http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j > <http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j> > pg > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:03 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > So according to that site the actinic's really don't do anything for > freshwater plants (they didn't address if it causes algae or not). So in > reality there's only 2x 65 watts of 10k lighting over the tank, the > other 2x > 65 watts are the actinic bulbs. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Also you guys should read this about the actinic lighting if you have > > planted tanks, found it very interesting. > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382>> > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out at the top of the tank > > > and not moving around much, they're still alive, every time a fish > > > bumps them they swim off to another spot and then sit there. Should > > > I just wait it out or should I do something specific for them? I > > > don't want to do another water change as I think that's what upset > > > them in the first place... and it's only 2 of them, the rest of the > cory's are all fine. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom > > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I > > > > had fish in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It > > > > didn't have a > > green > > > > water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it > > came > > > > in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down > > > > a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > spectrum > > > > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables > > indoors > > > > so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do > > better when > > > > they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent > > > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights > > > > the fluorescents produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > changes, > > > > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > > since Corn > > > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > You will > > > > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39858	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Just make the switch gradually with your PWC's. Since I have no clue what is really in Prime since SeaChem lists the ingredients as proprietary on the MSDS, it's hard to say how much different Prime is from any other dechlor product that has S.T. and EDTA in them. BTW.. if you look back at your first post in this thread, About "Prime", which you only posted yesterday according to the group's messages section, my first reply mentioned these other two products. You posted the first post at 11:59 a.m. and I replied at 12:33 p.m. There are two threads, About "Prime", in the Messages section... one is simply, About "Prime", and the other has some kind of geek symbols instead of the quotation marks. Here are a couple of my first answers, in each thread, talking about API or Top Fin products. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39753 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39763 I do not recall you asking about Prime any earlier than these two current threads... or I would have suggest the same thing. I have consistently recommended either of these two products, with API's being the preferred product now that PetsMart.com is not as competitive any longer. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Len, A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on the table about 2 weeks ago before I ordered the Prime. If you did, then I missed it. For the past 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I told you about. Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume that there is no harm in changing from one product to another after the Prime is used up later? In any event, thanks so much for your posting and most especially thanks for your recommendations and comments on the dosing of the stuff toward the bottom of your message. We went through enough of that getting the proper dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me asking! <grin> Thanks again, Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM API Tap Water Conditioner > (which is kind of an overkill in name since it doesn't "condition" the > water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal treatment... it does not > have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK in it... only Sodium > Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but it was too long and would > only break anyhow. > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on the > 16 oz., in the > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon size so I > opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale right now for only > $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmp > id=03c > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for API Tap Water > Conditioner. > > Here's DFS's description: > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly removes chlorine and > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting up a new > aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. To remove > chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one teaspoon per 100 gallons > of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats approximately 40 > gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded for 5ml or 10ml > and I always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon equal around > 5 ml and they suggest > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was close enough at > 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per 3-4G whenever I > top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm technically overdosing during > the top-offs but slightly under dosing during the PWC's. > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got at my local > PetsMart when I was running low on the API and didn't want to pay the > added shipping charges for just one thing.  Top Fin also makes a "Tap > Water Conditioner" > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the "Top Fin Tap > Water Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, PetsMart is the only place > that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes other products that > are sold on other sites.  I also suspect that Top Fin makes the > private label brands for many other sites that sell their own > brands... but it may not be the same concentration. > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the instructions, you do > NOT need more of this for whether you are treating chlorine or > chloramine like API's instruction say. > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in existing aquariums or > ponds. > > 1ml per 10G. > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best bargain as it treats > 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the Top Fin 8 oz. > bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus shipping if you do > not have a local PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my local PetsMart quit > carrying the larger bottles of API's product and only carries a 2 oz. > bottle now which is why I switched to the Top Fin product.  I plan to > buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... and since it's on sale > until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than I had planned. ;-) > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting PetsMart.com NEW higher > online prices.  Their online prices use to be much more competitive > until the past year when they raised their online prices to be more > inline with their retail store prices.  I use to save 30-50% at my > local PetsMart when I would bring in the online prices but lately, the > prices have been the same. > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over buying the > higher priced Prime. ;-) > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will treat 2,500G so > it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin product but only half the > strength of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of Prime sells for > $7.49 where the 16 > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You would need four 8 oz. > bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as one > 16 oz. bottle of > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that means you owe me > $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > fraction.........Len" > > Hi Len, > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or > better yet, some > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember that I > am out of the hobby > 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > products, I have never > heard of them either.  Any additional information > would be helpful.  I am > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once again, > I reiterate > > that Prime is not really what you need.  You could > get the API or Top > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost > (probably a third) of > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will > last 5X to 10X > > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since > all you need is > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really is > OVERKILL. > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with > fish to help make > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough > prime to > > treat the water > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used > any > > dechlor product > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank > when > > you get the prime > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when > you do > > your weekly > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are > adding. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if > the > > heavy metals don't > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > > initial dose with prime > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole > tank > > if he has not been > > > > using anything so far. > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at > all > > yet? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The > EDTA > > in dechlor > > > > products is a > > > > > chelating agent that binds with the > heavy > > metals to > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > > simpler but... > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > and > > > > > this one > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39859	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Bill you don't have chlorine or chloramine in your water right? I know you have a well so I doubt that you do, well Prime is going to have something in it that's supposed to fight chlorine or chloramine as well as ammonia, if you're using it on a tank with no chlorine's and only ammonia from the fish it seems light these extra ingredients could build up in the water after several PWC's and could become bad for the fish. Am I right Lenny? LOL Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Len, > > A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this > on the table about 2 weeks ago before I ordered > the Prime. If you did, then I missed it. For the past > 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine > I told you about. Anyway, as you already know all of this, > may I assume that there is no harm in changing from one > product to another after the Prime is used up later? > > In any event, thanks so much for your posting and most especially > thanks for your recommendations and comments on the dosing of the > stuff toward > the bottom of your message. We went through enough of that getting the > proper dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me asking! <grin> > > Thanks again, > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM > > API Tap Water Conditioner (which is > > kind of an overkill in name since it > > doesn't "condition" the water other than as a dechlor and > > heavy metal > > treatment... it does not have Aloe or Slime-this or > > Stress-that type JUNK in > > it... only Sodium Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at > > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com <http://www.BigAlsOnline.com> > > $5.49 for 16 oz. I would post a link but > > it was too long and would only > > break anyhow. > > > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on the > > 16 oz., in the > > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon size > > so I opened > > DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale right now for > > only $4.39 (Sale > > ends May 4, 2009) > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmpid=03c > <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmpid=03c> > > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for API > > Tap Water > > Conditioner. > > > > Here's DFS's description: > > > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly removes > > chlorine and > > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting up a > > new aquarium or > > adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. To remove chlorine > > and detoxify > > heavy metals, use one teaspoon per 100 gallons of water. To > > detoxify > > chloramine, 1 tsp treats approximately 40 gallons. 16 oz > > treats 9,600 > > gallons. > > > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded for > > 5ml or 10ml and I > > always used only 1ml per 10G. 1 teaspoon equal around > > 5 ml and they suggest > > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was close > > enough at 1ml per > > 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per 3-4G whenever I > > top off my tanks > > between PWC's so I'm technically overdosing during the > > top-offs but slightly > > under dosing during the PWC's. > > > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got at > > my local PetsMart > > when I was running low on the API and didn't want to pay > > the added shipping > > charges for just one thing. Top Fin also makes a "Tap > > Water Conditioner" > > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the "Top > > Fin Tap Water > > Dechlorinator". As far as I know, PetsMart is the > > only place that I've seen > > this sold although Top Fin makes other products that are > > sold on other > > sites. I also suspect that Top Fin makes the private > > label brands for many > > other sites that sell their own brands... but it may not be > > the same > > concentration. > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > <http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208> > > > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > > instructions, you do NOT need > > more of this for whether you are treating chlorine or > > chloramine like API's > > instruction say. > > > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in existing > > aquariums or > > ponds. > > > > 1ml per 10G. > > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best bargain as > > it treats 9,600 > > gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the Top Fin 8 > > oz. bottle treats > > only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus shipping if you do not > > have a local > > PetsMart). Unfortunately, my local PetsMart quit > > carrying the larger > > bottles of API's product and only carries a 2 oz. bottle > > now which is why I > > switched to the Top Fin product. I plan to buy the > > API brand again on my > > next DFS order... and since it's on sale until May 4, 2009, > > I may be > > ordering sooner than I had planned. ;-) > > > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting PetsMart.com NEW > > higher online > > prices. Their online prices use to be much more > > competitive until the past > > year when they raised their online prices to be more inline > > with their > > retail store prices. I use to save 30-50% at my local > > PetsMart when I would > > bring in the online prices but lately, the prices have been > > the same. > > > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over > > buying the higher > > priced Prime. ;-) > > > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will > > treat 2,500G so it's > > similar in concentration to the Top Fin product but only > > half the strength > > of API's product. The 8 oz. bottle of Prime sells for > > $7.49 where the 16 > > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now. You would > > need four 8 oz. > > bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as one > > 16 oz. bottle of > > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that means > > you owe me $2.50 > > for my 10% commission. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > > fraction.........Len" > > > > Hi Len, > > > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or > > better yet, some > > of your now famous, web links. Please remember that I > > am out of the hobby > > 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > > products, I have never > > heard of them either. Any additional information > > would be helpful. I am > > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once again, > > I reiterate > > > that Prime is not really what you need. You could > > get the API or Top > > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost > > (probably a third) of > > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will > > last 5X to 10X > > > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since > > all you need is > > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really is > > OVERKILL. > > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with > > fish to help make > > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough > > prime to > > > treat the water > > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used > > any > > > dechlor product > > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank > > when > > > you get the prime > > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when > > you do > > > your weekly > > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are > > adding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if > > the > > > heavy metals don't > > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > > > initial dose with prime > > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole > > tank > > > if he has not been > > > > > using anything so far. > > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at > > all > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The > > EDTA > > > in dechlor > > > > > products is a > > > > > > chelating agent that binds with the > > heavy > > > metals to > > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > > > simpler but... > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>>> > > > > > and > > > > > > this one > > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39860	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

An Easier Way? Check fish immediately, look closely. Are any of them wearing Sun Glass? Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM > Lol, no I don't think it seems to > bright to me, but that's me I suppose. > There's also a LOT of floating duckweed gotta keep that in > mind ;) > I turned off the actinic lights completely, so only the 2x > 10k lights > are on, honestly I think I would like to switch the 10k > lights to dual > 67k/10k lights instead, but I'll have to do that another > time. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I would say that any kind of light will cause plants > to photosynthesize... > > some spectrums might be better than others but the two > actinic lights are > > still giving off light. Aren't these compact > fluorescent lightbulbs also? > > Remember that CFL's put out up to 2-3 times more > lumens (light) than > > regular > > fluorescent bulbs so your 2x65 of 10K would be equal > to 4-5 65W regular > > fluorescent bulbs and THAT IS A LOT OF LIGHT FOR A 55G > TANK.... over 5 > > watts > > per gallon in old-time calculations which would > recommend only 3 watts per > > gallon at most for a simple planted tank (simple > meaning no CO2 injection, > > etc.)... so you are likely giving the tank WAY TOO > MUCH LIGHTING, IMO. > > > > BTW... do your fish look like this? > > http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j > > > <http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j> > > pg > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:03 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > gallon > > > > So according to that site the actinic's really don't > do anything for > > freshwater plants (they didn't address if it causes > algae or not). So in > > reality there's only 2x 65 watts of 10k lighting over > the tank, the > > other 2x > > 65 watts are the actinic bulbs. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Also you guys should read this about the actinic > lighting if you have > > > planted tanks, found it very interesting. > > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382>> > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out > at the top of the tank > > > > and not moving around much, they're still > alive, every time a fish > > > > bumps them they swim off to another spot and > then sit there. Should > > > > I just wait it out or should I do something > specific for them? I > > > > don't want to do another water change as I > think that's what upset > > > > them in the first place... and it's only 2 > of them, the rest of the > > cory's are all fine. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why > didn't I get this algae bloom > > > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the > tank up and cycled it? I > > > > > had fish in it then, and a decent > bioload I would assume. It > > > > > didn't have a > > > green > > > > > water problem until I added these 3 new > plants, so I'm guessing it > > > came > > > > > in on the plants somehow. I have > already lowered my lighting down > > > > > a couple of hours. > > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's > suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > spectrum > > > > > bulbs as it creates a more full > spectrum, and I grow vegetables > > > indoors > > > > > so I can see how that would make sense, > my veggies always do > > > better when > > > > > they're on an east/west facing window > sill with added fluorescent > > > > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum > than just the white lights > > > > > the fluorescents produce. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your > own problem. With the water > > > changes, > > > > > > now start cutting back on light > time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick > from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > since Corn > > > > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? > You don't want to go there! > > > You will > > > > > > have trouble like you would not > believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39861	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

No Sunglasses ;) LOL. They all seem fine that I can tell, heh. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > An Easier Way? > > Check fish immediately, look closely. > > Are any of them wearing Sun Glass? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM > > Lol, no I don't think it seems to > > bright to me, but that's me I suppose. > > There's also a LOT of floating duckweed gotta keep that in > > mind ;) > > I turned off the actinic lights completely, so only the 2x > > 10k lights > > are on, honestly I think I would like to switch the 10k > > lights to dual > > 67k/10k lights instead, but I'll have to do that another > > time. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would say that any kind of light will cause plants > > to photosynthesize... > > > some spectrums might be better than others but the two > > actinic lights are > > > still giving off light. Aren't these compact > > fluorescent lightbulbs also? > > > Remember that CFL's put out up to 2-3 times more > > lumens (light) than > > > regular > > > fluorescent bulbs so your 2x65 of 10K would be equal > > to 4-5 65W regular > > > fluorescent bulbs and THAT IS A LOT OF LIGHT FOR A 55G > > TANK.... over 5 > > > watts > > > per gallon in old-time calculations which would > > recommend only 3 watts per > > > gallon at most for a simple planted tank (simple > > meaning no CO2 injection, > > > etc.)... so you are likely giving the tank WAY TOO > > MUCH LIGHTING, IMO. > > > > > > BTW... do your fish look like this? > > > > http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j > <http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j> > > > > > > <http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j > <http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/lisann/lisann0704/lisann070400004/892444.j>> > > > pg > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > > listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:03 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > > > So according to that site the actinic's really don't > > do anything for > > > freshwater plants (they didn't address if it causes > > algae or not). So in > > > reality there's only 2x 65 watts of 10k lighting over > > the tank, the > > > other 2x > > > 65 watts are the actinic bulbs. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you guys should read this about the actinic > > lighting if you have > > > > planted tanks, found it very interesting. > > > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382>> > > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382> > > > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB382>>> > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay a couple of my cory's are hanging out > > at the top of the tank > > > > > and not moving around much, they're still > > alive, every time a fish > > > > > bumps them they swim off to another spot and > > then sit there. Should > > > > > I just wait it out or should I do something > > specific for them? I > > > > > don't want to do another water change as I > > think that's what upset > > > > > them in the first place... and it's only 2 > > of them, the rest of the > > > cory's are all fine. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why > > didn't I get this algae bloom > > > > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the > > tank up and cycled it? I > > > > > > had fish in it then, and a decent > > bioload I would assume. It > > > > > > didn't have a > > > > green > > > > > > water problem until I added these 3 new > > plants, so I'm guessing it > > > > came > > > > > > in on the plants somehow. I have > > already lowered my lighting down > > > > > > a couple of hours. > > > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's > > suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum > > > > > > bulbs as it creates a more full > > spectrum, and I grow vegetables > > > > indoors > > > > > > so I can see how that would make sense, > > my veggies always do > > > > better when > > > > > > they're on an east/west facing window > > sill with added fluorescent > > > > > > lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum > > than just the white lights > > > > > > the fluorescents produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your > > own problem. With the water > > > > changes, > > > > > > > now start cutting back on light > > time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick > > from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > > since Corn > > > > > > > Flakes if used right. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39862	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced a new > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is different than > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said you did > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. right? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > weeks or > so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish in it then, > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water problem > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the plants > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables > indoors so I > can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when > they're > on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent lighting, so it > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > produce. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > ol bill > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not sure > > > what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim > > > on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > I did a 100% > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time > > > of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one > > > is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in > > > it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, > > > but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > > tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > SIMPLE > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > other tanks > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > sit back in your > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > other tanks what > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > timing of each? They > > > > require > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > too much? Next, > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > Simply put, I > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > algae is a type of > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > much light > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > extensive and > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > change. > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > will most likely > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > that you do not > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > plants but it will > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > Since this is a > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > will need to clean > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > it will block > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > but your purse. > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > only be used > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > gallon > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline of > > > > > mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the water > > > > > supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > this fall > > > > > according to > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > hot water > > > > > and see how > > > > > they compare. > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > the water a > > > > > little less > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > or a > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > the tanks? > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > test on a > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > out and end > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > water during > > > > > the refill > > > > > > process but > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > just your > > > > > cold water > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > test on > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > it turns > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39863	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

I understand BUT please remember I am fighting a serious problem on my end with the "Mad Cow". Ever since they took Boston Legal off the air, I have been going through withdraw. And remember, if 2 people know something, it might be a secret BUT if 3 people know it, its a conspiracy! Bill <grinning> keep some sun on your face. --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM > Just make the switch gradually with > your PWC's.  Since I have no clue what > is really in Prime since SeaChem lists the ingredients as > proprietary on the > MSDS, it's hard to say how much different Prime is from any > other dechlor > product that has S.T. and EDTA in them.  > > BTW.. if you look back at your first post in this thread, > About "Prime", > which you only posted yesterday according to the group's > messages section, > my first reply mentioned these other two products.  > You posted the first > post at 11:59 a.m. and I replied at 12:33 p.m. > > There are two threads, About "Prime", in the Messages > section... one is > simply, About "Prime", and the other has some kind of geek > symbols instead > of the quotation marks. > > Here are a couple of my first answers, in each thread, > talking about API or > Top Fin products. > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39753 > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39763 > > I do not recall you asking about Prime any earlier than > these two current > threads... or I would have suggest the same thing.  I > have consistently > recommended either of these two products, with API's being > the preferred > product now that PetsMart.com is not as competitive any > longer. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > Len, > > A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on the > table about 2 weeks > ago before I ordered the Prime.  If you did, then I > missed it.  For the past > 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I told > you about. > Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume that > there is no harm > in changing from one product to another after the Prime is > used up later? > > In any event, thanks so much for your posting and most > especially thanks for > your recommendations and comments on the dosing of the > stuff toward the > bottom of your message.  We went through enough of > that getting the proper > dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me asking! > <grin> > > Thanks again, > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM API Tap Water > Conditioner > > (which is kind of an overkill in name since it doesn't > "condition" the > > water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal > treatment... it does not > > have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK in > it... only Sodium > > Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at > > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but it was > too long and would > > only break anyhow. > > > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on > the > > 16 oz., in the > > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon > size so I > > opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale > right now for only > > $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmp > > id=03c > > > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for > API Tap Water > > Conditioner. > > > > Here's DFS's description: > > > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly > removes chlorine and > > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting > up a new > > aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. > To remove > > chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one teaspoon > per 100 gallons > > of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats > approximately 40 > > gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. > > > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded > for 5ml or 10ml > > and I always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon equal > around > > 5 ml and they suggest > > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was > close enough at > > 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per > 3-4G whenever I > > top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm technically > overdosing during > > the top-offs but slightly under dosing during the > PWC's. > > > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got > at my local > > PetsMart when I was running low on the API and didn't > want to pay the > > added shipping charges for just one thing.  Top Fin > also makes a "Tap > > Water Conditioner" > > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the > "Top Fin Tap > > Water Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, PetsMart is > the only place > > that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes other > products that > > are sold on other sites.  I also suspect that Top Fin > makes the > > private label brands for many other sites that sell > their own > > brands... but it may not be the same concentration. > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > instructions, you do > > NOT need more of this for whether you are treating > chlorine or > > chloramine like API's instruction say. > > > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in > existing aquariums or > > ponds. > > > > 1ml per 10G. > > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best > bargain as it treats > > 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the > Top Fin 8 oz. > > bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus > shipping if you do > > not have a local PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my local > PetsMart quit > > carrying the larger bottles of API's product and only > carries a 2 oz. > > bottle now which is why I switched to the Top Fin > product.  I plan to > > buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... and > since it's on sale > > until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than I had > planned. ;-) > > > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting > PetsMart.com NEW higher > > online prices.  Their online prices use to be much > more competitive > > until the past year when they raised their online > prices to be more > > inline with their retail store prices.  I use to save > 30-50% at my > > local PetsMart when I would bring in the online prices > but lately, the > > prices have been the same. > > > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over > buying the > > higher priced Prime. ;-) > > > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will > treat 2,500G so > > it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin product > but only half the > > strength of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of Prime > sells for > > $7.49 where the 16 > > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You would > need four 8 oz. > > bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as > one > > 16 oz. bottle of > > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that > means you owe me > > $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > > fraction.........Len" > > > > Hi Len, > > > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact > name or > > better yet, some > > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember that > I > > am out of the hobby > > 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > > products, I have never > > heard of them either.  Any additional information > > would be helpful.  I am > > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once > again, > > I reiterate > > > that Prime is not really what you need.  You > could > > get the API or Top > > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost > > (probably a third) of > > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they > will > > last 5X to 10X > > > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... > since > > all you need is > > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime > really is > > OVERKILL. > > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling > with > > fish to help make > > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add > enough > > prime to > > > treat the water > > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not > used > > any > > > dechlor product > > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole > tank > > when > > > you get the prime > > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then > when > > you do > > > your weekly > > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are > > adding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > "Prime" > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM > So if > > the > > > heavy metals don't > > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose > an > > > initial dose with prime > > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his > whole > > tank > > > if he has not been > > > > > using anything so far. > > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products > at > > all > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. > The > > EDTA > > > in dechlor > > > > > products is a > > > > > > chelating agent that binds with > the > > heavy > > > metals to > > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it > any > > > simpler but... > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > > and > > > > > > this one > > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39864	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

They do show reruns on Ion TV channel and they have three hours of prime time Boston Legal tonight. http://www.iontelevision.com/shows.php?id=49 I don't see them on Hulu, YouTube or any other "safe" video watching service... yet. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" I understand BUT please remember I am fighting a serious problem on my end with the "Mad Cow". Ever since they took Boston Legal off the air, I have been going through withdraw. And remember, if 2 people know something, it might be a secret BUT if 3 people know it, its a conspiracy! Bill <grinning> keep some sun on your face. --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM Just make the switch gradually > with your PWC's.  Since I have no clue what is really in Prime since > SeaChem lists the ingredients as proprietary on the MSDS, it's hard to > say how much different Prime is from any other dechlor product that > has S.T. and EDTA in them. > > BTW.. if you look back at your first post in this thread, About > "Prime", which you only posted yesterday according to the group's > messages section, my first reply mentioned these other two products. > You posted the first > post at 11:59 a.m. and I replied at 12:33 p.m. > > There are two threads, About "Prime", in the Messages section... one > is simply, About "Prime", and the other has some kind of geek symbols > instead of the quotation marks. > > Here are a couple of my first answers, in each thread, talking about > API or Top Fin products. > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39753 > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39763 > > I do not recall you asking about Prime any earlier than these two > current threads... or I would have suggest the same thing.  I have > consistently recommended either of these two products, with API's > being the preferred product now that PetsMart.com is not as > competitive any longer. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > Len, > > A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on the > table about 2 weeks > ago before I ordered the Prime.  If you did, then I > missed it.  For the past > 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I told > you about. > Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume that > there is no harm > in changing from one product to another after the Prime is > used up later? > > In any event, thanks so much for your posting and most > especially thanks for > your recommendations and comments on the dosing of the > stuff toward the > bottom of your message.  We went through enough of > that getting the proper > dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me asking! > <grin> > > Thanks again, > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM API Tap Water > Conditioner > > (which is kind of an overkill in name since it doesn't > "condition" the > > water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal > treatment... it does not > > have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK in > it... only Sodium > > Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was at > > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but it was > too long and would > > only break anyhow. > > > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher price on > the > > 16 oz., in the > > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the gallon > size so I > > opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on sale > right now for only > > $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmp > > id=03c > > > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a search for > API Tap Water > > Conditioner. > > > > Here's DFS's description: > > > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly > removes chlorine and > > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when setting > up a new > > aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic life. > To remove > > chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one teaspoon > per 100 gallons > > of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats > approximately 40 > > gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. > > > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is graded > for 5ml or 10ml > > and I always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon equal > around > > 5 ml and they suggest > > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I was > close enough at > > 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml per > 3-4G whenever I > > top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm technically > overdosing during > > the top-offs but slightly under dosing during the > PWC's. > > > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which I got > at my local > > PetsMart when I was running low on the API and didn't > want to pay the > > added shipping charges for just one thing.  Top Fin > also makes a "Tap > > Water Conditioner" > > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want the > "Top Fin Tap > > Water Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, PetsMart is > the only place > > that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes other > products that > > are sold on other sites.  I also suspect that Top Fin > makes the > > private label brands for many other sites that sell > their own > > brands... but it may not be the same concentration. > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > instructions, you do > > NOT need more of this for whether you are treating > chlorine or > > chloramine like API's instruction say. > > > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in > existing aquariums or > > ponds. > > > > 1ml per 10G. > > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best > bargain as it treats > > 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where the > Top Fin 8 oz. > > bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus > shipping if you do > > not have a local PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my local > PetsMart quit > > carrying the larger bottles of API's product and only > carries a 2 oz. > > bottle now which is why I switched to the Top Fin > product.  I plan to > > buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... and > since it's on sale > > until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than I had > planned. ;-) > > > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting > PetsMart.com NEW higher > > online prices.  Their online prices use to be much > more competitive > > until the past year when they raised their online > prices to be more > > inline with their retail store prices.  I use to save > 30-50% at my > > local PetsMart when I would bring in the online prices > but lately, the > > prices have been the same. > > > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you over > buying the > > higher priced Prime. ;-) > > > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime will > treat 2,500G so > > it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin product > but only half the > > strength of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of Prime > sells for > > $7.49 where the 16 > > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You would > need four 8 oz. > > bottles of Prime to equal the same water treatment as > one > > 16 oz. bottle of > > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... that > means you owe me > > $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > > fraction.........Len" > > > > Hi Len, > > > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact > name or > > better yet, some > > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember that > I > > am out of the hobby > > 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > > products, I have never > > heard of them either.  Any additional information > > would be helpful.  I am > > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once > again, > > I reiterate > > > that Prime is not really what you need.  You > could > > get the API or Top > > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost > > (probably a third) of > > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so they > will > > last 5X to 10X > > > longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... > since > > all you need is > > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime > really is > > OVERKILL. > > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling > with > > fish to help make > > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add > enough > > prime to > > > treat the water > > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not > used > > any > > > dechlor product > > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole > tank > > when > > > you get the prime > > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then > when > > you do > > > your weekly > > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are > > adding. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > "Prime" > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM > So if > > the > > > heavy metals don't > > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose > an > > > initial dose with prime > > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his > whole > > tank > > > if he has not been > > > > > using anything so far. > > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products > at > > all > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. > The > > EDTA > > > in dechlor > > > > > products is a > > > > > > chelating agent that binds with > the > > heavy > > > metals to > > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it > any > > > simpler but... > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > > and > > > > > > this one > > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39865	From: bill1433	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Thankful to Heaven my friend we have a DVR. It is already programmed. In addition, we are only a few short weeks from the release of the last or Season 5 to DVD and my collection will be complete. I have only done this for a TV show one other time, Dallas from the 70's. Long Live Denny Crane! Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:10 PM > They do show reruns on Ion TV channel > and they have three hours of prime > time Boston Legal tonight.  http://www.iontelevision.com/shows.php?id=49%c2%a0 > > I don't see them on Hulu, YouTube or any other "safe" video > watching > service... yet. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > I understand BUT please remember I am fighting a serious > problem on my end > with the "Mad Cow". > Ever since they took Boston Legal off the air, I have been > going through > withdraw. > > And remember, if 2 people know something, it might be a > secret BUT if 3 > people know it, its a conspiracy! > > Bill <grinning> keep some sun on your face. > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM Just make the > switch gradually > > with your PWC's.  Since I have no clue what is really > in Prime since > > SeaChem lists the ingredients as proprietary on the > MSDS, it's hard to > > say how much different Prime is from any other dechlor > product that > > has S.T. and EDTA in them. > > > > BTW.. if you look back at your first post in this > thread, About > > "Prime", which you only posted yesterday according to > the group's > > messages section, my first reply mentioned these other > two products. > > You posted the first > > post at 11:59 a.m. and I replied at 12:33 p.m. > > > > There are two threads, About "Prime", in the Messages > section... one > > is simply, About "Prime", and the other has some kind > of geek symbols > > instead of the quotation marks. > > > > Here are a couple of my first answers, in each thread, > talking about > > API or Top Fin products. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39753 > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39763 > > > > I do not recall you asking about Prime any earlier > than these two > > current threads... or I would have suggest the same > thing.  I have > > consistently recommended either of these two products, > with API's > > being the preferred product now that PetsMart.com is > not as > > competitive any longer. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Len, > > > > A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on > the > > table about 2 weeks > > ago before I ordered the Prime.  If you did, then I > > missed it.  For the past > > 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I > told > > you about. > > Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume > that > > there is no harm > > in changing from one product to another after the > Prime is > > used up later? > > > > In any event, thanks so much for your posting and > most > > especially thanks for > > your recommendations and comments on the dosing of > the > > stuff toward the > > bottom of your message.  We went through enough of > > that getting the proper > > dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me > asking! > > <grin> > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM API Tap > Water > > Conditioner > > > (which is kind of an overkill in name since it > doesn't > > "condition" the > > > water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal > > treatment... it does not > > > have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK > in > > it... only Sodium > > > Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > > > > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was > at > > > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > > > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but it > was > > too long and would > > > only break anyhow. > > > > > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher > price on > > the > > > 16 oz., in the > > > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the > gallon > > size so I > > > opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on > sale > > right now for only > > > $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmp > > > id=03c > > > > > > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > > > > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a > search for > > API Tap Water > > > Conditioner. > > > > > > Here's DFS's description: > > > > > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly > > removes chlorine and > > > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when > setting > > up a new > > > aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic > life. > > To remove > > > chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one > teaspoon > > per 100 gallons > > > of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats > > approximately 40 > > > gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. > > > > > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is > graded > > for 5ml or 10ml > > > and I always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon > equal > > around > > > 5 ml and they suggest > > > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I > was > > close enough at > > > 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml > per > > 3-4G whenever I > > > top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm > technically > > overdosing during > > > the top-offs but slightly under dosing during > the > > PWC's. > > > > > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which > I got > > at my local > > > PetsMart when I was running low on the API and > didn't > > want to pay the > > > added shipping charges for just one thing.  Top > Fin > > also makes a "Tap > > > Water Conditioner" > > > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want > the > > "Top Fin Tap > > > Water Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, > PetsMart is > > the only place > > > that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes > other > > products that > > > are sold on other sites.  I also suspect that > Top Fin > > makes the > > > private label brands for many other sites that > sell > > their own > > > brands... but it may not be the same > concentration. > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > > > > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > > instructions, you do > > > NOT need more of this for whether you are > treating > > chlorine or > > > chloramine like API's instruction say. > > > > > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > > > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in > > existing aquariums or > > > ponds. > > > > > > 1ml per 10G. > > > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > > > > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best > > bargain as it treats > > > 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where > the > > Top Fin 8 oz. > > > bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus > > shipping if you do > > > not have a local PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my > local > > PetsMart quit > > > carrying the larger bottles of API's product and > only > > carries a 2 oz. > > > bottle now which is why I switched to the Top > Fin > > product.  I plan to > > > buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... > and > > since it's on sale > > > until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than > I had > > planned. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting > > PetsMart.com NEW higher > > > online prices.  Their online prices use to be > much > > more competitive > > > until the past year when they raised their > online > > prices to be more > > > inline with their retail store prices.  I use to > save > > 30-50% at my > > > local PetsMart when I would bring in the online > prices > > but lately, the > > > prices have been the same. > > > > > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you > over > > buying the > > > higher priced Prime. ;-) > > > > > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime > will > > treat 2,500G so > > > it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin > product > > but only half the > > > strength of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of > Prime > > sells for > > > $7.49 where the 16 > > > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You > would > > need four 8 oz. > > > bottles of Prime to equal the same water > treatment as > > one > > > 16 oz. bottle of > > > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... > that > > means you owe me > > > $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > > > fraction.........Len" > > > > > > Hi Len, > > > > > > Could you be more specific here by the brands > exact > > name or > > > better yet, some > > > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember > that > > I > > > am out of the hobby > > > 30 years and not only have I never used any of > these > > > products, I have never > > > heard of them either.  Any additional > information > > > would be helpful.  I am > > > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And > once > > again, > > > I reiterate > > > > that Prime is not really what you need.  > You > > could > > > get the API or Top > > > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the > cost > > > (probably a third) of > > > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so > they > > will > > > last 5X to 10X > > > > longer than the same sized bottle of > Prime... > > since > > > all you need is > > > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... > Prime > > really is > > > OVERKILL. > > > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when > cycling > > with > > > fish to help make > > > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > Month) > > > >  > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add > > enough > > > prime to > > > > treat the water > > > > you are adding to the tank, so since you > have not > > used > > > any > > > > dechlor product > > > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the > whole > > tank > > > when > > > > you get the prime > > > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). > Then > > when > > > you do > > > > your weekly > > > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you > are > > > adding. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@... > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > > "Prime" > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, > 11:02 PM > > So if > > > the > > > > heavy metals don't > > > > > > get used up or evaporate then I > suppose > > an > > > > initial dose with prime > > > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for > his > > whole > > > tank > > > > if he has not been > > > > > > using anything so far. > > > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor > products > > at > > > all > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not > evaporate. > > The > > > EDTA > > > > in dechlor > > > > > > products is a > > > > > > > chelating agent that binds > with > > the > > > heavy > > > > metals to > > > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will > explain it > > any > > > > simpler but... > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > > > and > > > > > > > this one > > > > > > > explains some more about > EDTA... > > > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts > at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able > to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39866	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

I've watched every episode of "Boston Legal" from the beginning. I have a background in the legal industry so I've always watched legal-related TV shows and watched "The Practice" and "Boston Legal" is a spin-off of "The Practice". It's a shame that Wm. Shatner was not included in the soon-to-be-released "new" Star Trek movie. I suspect he wanted too much money but I saw that Leonard Nimoy (Spock) is going to be in it.. of course, Leonard Nimoy hasn't been working a lot lately compared to Shatner with "BL" and his "Priceline" commercials. "Live long and prosper!" No.. I'm not a trekkie. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" Thankful to Heaven my friend we have a DVR. It is already programmed. In addition, we are only a few short weeks from the release of the last or Season 5 to DVD and my collection will be complete. I have only done this for a TV show one other time, Dallas from the 70's. Long Live Denny Crane! Bill --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:10 PM They do show reruns on Ion TV > channel and they have three hours of prime time Boston Legal tonight.  > http://www.iontelevision.com/shows.php?id=49 > > I don't see them on Hulu, YouTube or any other "safe" video watching > service... yet. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:04 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > I understand BUT please remember I am fighting a serious > problem on my end > with the "Mad Cow". > Ever since they took Boston Legal off the air, I have been > going through > withdraw. > > And remember, if 2 people know something, it might be a > secret BUT if 3 > people know it, its a conspiracy! > > Bill <grinning> keep some sun on your face. > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 4:50 PM Just make the > switch gradually > > with your PWC's.  Since I have no clue what is really > in Prime since > > SeaChem lists the ingredients as proprietary on the > MSDS, it's hard to > > say how much different Prime is from any other dechlor > product that > > has S.T. and EDTA in them. > > > > BTW.. if you look back at your first post in this > thread, About > > "Prime", which you only posted yesterday according to > the group's > > messages section, my first reply mentioned these other > two products. > > You posted the first > > post at 11:59 a.m. and I replied at 12:33 p.m. > > > > There are two threads, About "Prime", in the Messages > section... one > > is simply, About "Prime", and the other has some kind > of geek symbols > > instead of the quotation marks. > > > > Here are a couple of my first answers, in each thread, > talking about > > API or Top Fin products. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39753 > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/message/39763 > > > > I do not recall you asking about Prime any earlier > than these two > > current threads... or I would have suggest the same > thing.  I have > > consistently recommended either of these two products, > with API's > > being the preferred product now that PetsMart.com is > not as > > competitive any longer. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > Len, > > > > A million thanks and I wish you had thrown this on > the > > table about 2 weeks > > ago before I ordered the Prime.  If you did, then I > > missed it.  For the past > > 2 weeks now I have been breaking in that new machine I > told > > you about. > > Anyway, as you already know all of this, may I assume > that > > there is no harm > > in changing from one product to another after the > Prime is > > used up later? > > > > In any event, thanks so much for your posting and > most > > especially thanks for > > your recommendations and comments on the dosing of > the > > stuff toward the > > bottom of your message.  We went through enough of > > that getting the proper > > dosage of the Prime figured out, also you saved me > asking! > > <grin> > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:56 PM API Tap > Water > > Conditioner > > > (which is kind of an overkill in name since it > doesn't > > "condition" the > > > water other than as a dechlor and heavy metal > > treatment... it does not > > > have Aloe or Slime-this or Stress-that type JUNK > in > > it... only Sodium > > > Thiosulfate and EDTA) > > > > > > Best price found with a Yahoo Shopping search was > at > > > http://www.BigAlsOnline.com > > > $5.49 for 16 oz.   I would post a link but it > was > > too long and would > > > only break anyhow. > > > > > > Actually, DFS's site showed up with a higher > price on > > the > > > 16 oz., in the > > > Yahoo Shopping Search, but a lower price on the > gallon > > size so I > > > opened DFS's page and they have the 16 oz. on > sale > > right now for only > > > $4.39 (Sale ends May 4, 2009) > > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038&cmp > > > id=03c > > > > > > seyh&ref=3473&subref=AA&srccode=cii_1038957&cpncode=18-31039873-2 > > > > > > If the link breaks, just go to DFS and do a > search for > > API Tap Water > > > Conditioner. > > > > > > Here's DFS's description: > > > > > > This super-strength water conditioner instantly > > removes chlorine and > > > detoxifies heavy metals in tap water. Use when > setting > > up a new > > > aquarium or adding water. Safe for all aquatic > life. > > To remove > > > chlorine and detoxify heavy metals, use one > teaspoon > > per 100 gallons > > > of water. To detoxify chloramine, 1 tsp treats > > approximately 40 > > > gallons. 16 oz treats 9,600 gallons. > > > > > > Lenny's comments - the cap on API's bottle is > graded > > for 5ml or 10ml > > > and I always used only 1ml per 10G.  1 teaspoon > equal > > around > > > 5 ml and they suggest > > > 1 teaspoon for 40G for chloramine so I figured I > was > > close enough at > > > 1ml per 10G, especially since I usually add 1ml > per > > 3-4G whenever I > > > top off my tanks between PWC's so I'm > technically > > overdosing during > > > the top-offs but slightly under dosing during > the > > PWC's. > > > > > > Here is Top Fin's Tap Water Dechlorinator, which > I got > > at my local > > > PetsMart when I was running low on the API and > didn't > > want to pay the > > > added shipping charges for just one thing.  Top > Fin > > also makes a "Tap > > > Water Conditioner" > > > but that has added JUNK in it... so you only want > the > > "Top Fin Tap > > > Water Dechlorinator".  As far as I know, > PetsMart is > > the only place > > > that I've seen this sold although Top Fin makes > other > > products that > > > are sold on other sites.  I also suspect that > Top Fin > > makes the > > > private label brands for many other sites that > sell > > their own > > > brands... but it may not be the same > concentration. > > > http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752208 > > > > > > It's $6.99 for only 8 oz. BUT according to the > > instructions, you do > > > NOT need more of this for whether you are > treating > > chlorine or > > > chloramine like API's instruction say. > > > > > > Product Description: Item: 2752208 > > > Removes chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals in > > existing aquariums or > > > ponds. > > > > > > 1ml per 10G. > > > 8 fl. oz. (treats up to 2,400 gallons) bottles. > > > > > > In conclusion, the API 16 oz. bottle is the best > > bargain as it treats > > > 9,600 gallons for only $4.39 plus shipping where > the > > Top Fin 8 oz. > > > bottle treats only 2,400 gallons for $6.99 (plus > > shipping if you do > > > not have a local PetsMart).  Unfortunately, my > local > > PetsMart quit > > > carrying the larger bottles of API's product and > only > > carries a 2 oz. > > > bottle now which is why I switched to the Top > Fin > > product.  I plan to > > > buy the API brand again on my next DFS order... > and > > since it's on sale > > > until May 4, 2009, I may be ordering sooner than > I had > > planned. ;-) > > > > > > Of course, the above prices are reflecting > > PetsMart.com NEW higher > > > online prices.  Their online prices use to be > much > > more competitive > > > until the past year when they raised their > online > > prices to be more > > > inline with their retail store prices.  I use to > save > > 30-50% at my > > > local PetsMart when I would bring in the online > prices > > but lately, the > > > prices have been the same. > > > > > > Send me a 10% commission on any money I saved you > over > > buying the > > > higher priced Prime. ;-) > > > > > > According to DFS, a 250ml (8 oz.) bottle of Prime > will > > treat 2,500G so > > > it's similar in concentration to the Top Fin > product > > but only half the > > > strength of API's product.  The 8 oz. bottle of > Prime > > sells for > > > $7.49 where the 16 > > > oz. bottle of API is only $4.39 right now.  You > would > > need four 8 oz. > > > bottles of Prime to equal the same water > treatment as > > one > > > 16 oz. bottle of > > > API's product so I just saved you over $25.00... > that > > means you owe me > > > $2.50 for my 10% commission. LOL > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:10 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a > > > fraction.........Len" > > > > > > Hi Len, > > > > > > Could you be more specific here by the brands > exact > > name or > > > better yet, some > > > of your now famous, web links.  Please remember > that > > I > > > am out of the hobby > > > 30 years and not only have I never used any of > these > > > products, I have never > > > heard of them either.  Any additional > information > > > would be helpful.  I am > > > just interested in what is best for my fish. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And > once > > again, > > > I reiterate > > > > that Prime is not really what you need.  > You > > could > > > get the API or Top > > > > Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the > cost > > > (probably a third) of > > > > Prime and then they are more concentrated so > they > > will > > > last 5X to 10X > > > > longer than the same sized bottle of > Prime... > > since > > > all you need is > > > > the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... > Prime > > really is > > > OVERKILL. > > > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when > cycling > > with > > > fish to help make > > > > the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > Month) > > > >  > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add > > enough > > > prime to > > > > treat the water > > > > you are adding to the tank, so since you > have not > > used > > > any > > > > dechlor product > > > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the > whole > > tank > > > when > > > > you get the prime > > > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). > Then > > when > > > you do > > > > your weekly > > > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you > are > > > adding. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@... > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About > > "Prime" > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, > 11:02 PM > > So if > > > the > > > > heavy metals don't > > > > > > get used up or evaporate then I > suppose > > an > > > > initial dose with prime > > > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for > his > > whole > > > tank > > > > if he has not been > > > > > > using anything so far. > > > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor > products > > at > > > all > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not > evaporate. > > The > > > EDTA > > > > in dechlor > > > > > > products is a > > > > > > > chelating agent that binds > with > > the > > > heavy > > > > metals to > > > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will > explain it > > any > > > > simpler but... > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > > > and > > > > > > > this one > > > > > > > explains some more about > EDTA... > > > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC > of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts > at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able > to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39867	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime”

Bill, You can try it, if you think it may be of some help with any heavy metals that may be present in your water. If your fish show an improvement in their deportment and health, then continue. If no benefit is noted, back off and note any difference between use and non-use, as a decline in fish deportment and health may be more noticeable than the other way around. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” Hi Steve, I do not think I need it either but better safe than sorry. We have low pH and high acid water here. Copper piping slowly changing over to plastic. Pipes do not last long. All this cannot be good for the fish. Water has never been tested for a complete lab analysis or heavy metal work up. Just thinking the prime can not hurt and there is no danger or draw back if I should stop using it is there? Bill --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About “Prime” > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:16 PM > Bill, > > I don't think you really need to use Prime, or any other > water conditioner, since you have well water, but, if you > insist, when you dose the tank during a water change, you > dose the tank for the amount of water you are replacing, not > the amount of water in a full tank. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] About “Primeâ€� > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting Prime delivered and I > would like to start using it in my 20 long and 29-gallon > tanks.  I have well water with a pH of 5.5 to > 5.8.  PWC’s are at 25% once a week.  Tanks > have good water parameter’s right now and I am NOT > using any additives as yet. > Now for my questions.  I have been on Seachem’s > web site and all over creation on the Internet trying to > rather information.  So far all can say for sure is > that I have one heck of a headache! > > Some say to initially dose the whole tank once and then > according > with each water change, depending on if you use buckets, > then directly into > the bucket OR, and here’s the part where I take a > wrong turn.  If your using > water direct as I do, by hose, then dose the whole > tank.  This makes no sense > to me at all because I figure by months end, your going to > have one serious concentration of this stuff in each > tank!  Would this be over doing it? > > Members who are using this stuff right now please tell me > EXACTLY , when you are using this and EXACTLY how much you > are using, any information is greatly appreciated. > > Where’s the Tylenol?  > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39868	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39869	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Not this Steve. I do recall saying that there are lights that have a higher output in various areas of the spectrum. For instance, the Gro-Lux lamps have a spike in the blue end of the spectrum, as well as other areas, which tends to bring out the blues in the fish more so than some other colors. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish in it then, and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water problem until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the plants somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent lighting, so it gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents produce. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Lady, > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > have trouble like you would not believe. > > ol bill > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM > > I have a UV filter, not sure what a > > diatom filter is ;). The UV filter > > is hooked up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > I did a 100% > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > long time of > > course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, > > no one is > > shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have > > fish in it > > that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near > > future, but it's > > a cycled tank as well. > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > high powered > > light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > tank, and it > > has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > SIMPLE > > > statements. > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > other tanks > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > all fine. > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > sit back in your > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > other tanks what > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > timing of each? They > > > require > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > too much? Next, > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > Simply put, I > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > algae is a type of > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > much light > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > extensive and > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > alternatives. > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > change. > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > will most likely > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > that you do not > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > Filter. > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > plants but it will > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > Since this is a > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > will need to clean > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > it will block > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > but your purse. > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > only be used > > > with discretion. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM > > > > I've done a baseline of mixed water > > > > already a few months ago, and I know > > > > the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > this fall > > > > according to > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > hot water > > > > and see how > > > > they compare. > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > the water a > > > > little less > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > or a > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > the tanks? > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > test on a > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > out and end > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > water during > > > > the refill > > > > > process but > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > just your > > > > cold water > > > > > baseline test > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > test on > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > it turns > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my > > 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a hot water heater, there's a > > boiler that > > > > heats up the whole > > > > > building, I'm not sure how that will factor > > in.... > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just run an airstone in the bucket > > for an hour > > > > or so. If you do not > > > > > > have an extra air pump around, then > > hanging your > > > > cake mixer on the > > > > > > side of the bucket would also work. > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > When you refill with the Python, are > > you mixing > > > > hot and cold water to > > > > > > raise the tap water temperature up > > close to the > > > > tank temp? If yes, you > > > > > > might have to quit using the hot water, > > as the > > > > water in a hot water > > > > > > heater will have a very high CO2 level. > > This > > > > means you will have to > > > > > > SLOWLY refill your tanks with only the > > cold water > > > > to give the aquarium > > > > > > heaters a chance to keep up with > > maintaining the > > > > water temp in the > > > > > > tank. You might have to have only a > > 1/4" stream > > > > of water flowing out > > > > > > of the Python during the refill process > > and it > > > > might take a half hour > > > > > > to refill the tank but at least the > > fish will not > > > > get shocked/stressed > > > > > > from a drastic temperature change if > > the cold > > > > water is more than 4-8F > > > > > > lower than the tank temp. An 8F > > difference is the > > > > most I would try > > > > > > with a 25% PWC, which would result in > > lowering > > > > the tank temp by 2F... > > > > > > but doing this very slowly where the > > tank heater > > > > could also start > > > > > > warming up the water and the fish would > > be able > > > > to slowly acclimate to > > > > > > any change that the heater cannot keep > > up with. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do use a mix of hot and cold > > water when > > > > refilling your tanks, > > > > > > use this same water flow to fill a > > gallon bucket > > > > for doing a new tap > > > > > > water baseline test. I'm betting you > > will see a > > > > big difference in your > > > > > > baseline tests from this mixed water > > versus just > > > > the cold water side. > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW it's this way for my tap water > > when mixed > > > > with some of the hot > > > > > > water. > > > > > > My cold water is moderately hard with a > > high pH > > > > where my hot water is > > > > > > much softer with a much lower pH due to > > so many > > > > of the minerals coming > > > > > > out of solution while "distilling" > > inside the hot > > > > water heater. Add > > > > > > that to the fact that the hot water > > will have a > > > > higher CO2 level and > > > > > > it makes for a BIG difference in water > > chemistry > > > > baseline tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right > > side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:01 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom > > in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > So blend the water? LOL. I suppose I > > could do > > > > that. But that would > > > > > > only work for 5 gallons at a time as I > > only have > > > > one 5 gallon bucket, > > > > > > would be slow going to fill the tank > > back up, > > > > I've gotten spoiled with > > > > > > the python ;) LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not generally recommended to > > change > > > > water while trying to > > > > > > > resolve a cloudiness issue. The > > apparent CO2 > > > > concentration in your > > > > > > > tap water may well be helping the > > algae > > > > along. When comes time to do > > > > > > > a regular water change, you may > > want to > > > > place the replacement water > > > > > > > in a bucket and vigorously agitate > > it while > > > > doing your water change, > > > > > > > prior to adding it to the tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:53 > > PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae > > bloom in my > > > > 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the green water seems worse > > since I did > > > > the water change > > > > > > > earlier this afternoon.... Should > > I do less > > > > water changes? I'm so > > > > > confused, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes bubbles form on the sides > > of the > > > > tank and some of the ornaments. > > > > > > > > I did another water change > > today and > > > > the algae got worse so I will > > > > > > > > definitely let it outgas more > > when I > > > > refill again. Should I do > > > > > > > > another PWC tonight? I did > > one earlier > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say bubbles.. > > do you mean > > > > bubbles form on the tank > > > > > > > > > glass during the refill? > > If yes, > > > > those very well could be CO2 > > > > > > > > > micro-bubbles forming. > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > refilling and allowing > > the > > > > incoming water, from the Python to > > > > > > > > > either splash into the > > tank or > > > > against a glass before going into > > > > > > > > > the tank. This > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > outgas the tap water > > much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39870	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...

Fish or kid? :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grdnfan243@... Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F... I think I will name my next one Lenny lol

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39871	From: grdnfan243@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine F...

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39872	From: Aubrey	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Goldfish tank questions

I was given a goldfish tank today on the condition that I keep the fish (which I don't mind at all) but I've never had a tank of this sort before. It doesn't have a heater but the first problem I noticed is that it has an algae problem. I'm wondering if ther is an algae eater that I can safely put in with the golds. Any help would be great! Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39873	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions

Hopefully it's a big tank, goldfish grow to pretty good sizes and need huge tanks. Amber Aubrey wrote: > > > I was given a goldfish tank today on the condition that I keep the > fish (which I don't mind at all) but I've never had a tank of this > sort before. It doesn't have a heater but the first problem I noticed > is that it has an algae problem. I'm wondering if ther is an algae > eater that I can safely put in with the golds. Any help would be > great! Thanks! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39874	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions

Yes, there are algae eaters that can be mixed with goldfish BUT... it would be better to fix the problems causing the algae so you do not need to add another fish to what is likely an overstocked tank. Don't fret... nearly all goldfish tanks are overstocked. I have two fancy goldfish and a clown pleco (only grows to 4-5") in a 65G tank, with two big filters and if I do not do weekly tank/filter maintenance, it will get nasty in the tank. Tell us more details about the tank (size, filtration, how many goldfish, water chemistry test results, etc... anything and everything about the set up). Also tell us more about your fish keeping experience. Remember that algae forms for a reason. It's kind of God's way of trying to help save the fish. When the water starts to get nasty from too high of levels of nitrogenous waste, too high of CO2 levels (which could also mean too low of O2 levels), etc., then algae forms. The algae will help use up some of the excess nitrogenous waste levels and will use the CO2 and put out O2 during photosynthesis... so while it doesn't look pretty, it could be saving the fish's lives. YOU DO NOT want to kill off the algae until you've first fixed the cause of the algae... otherwise it could cause bad water quality issues, low O2 levels, etc., which could be very detrimental to the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish tank questions I was given a goldfish tank today on the condition that I keep the fish (which I don't mind at all) but I've never had a tank of this sort before. It doesn't have a heater but the first problem I noticed is that it has an algae problem. I'm wondering if ther is an algae eater that I can safely put in with the golds. Any help would be great! Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39875	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish tank questions

Oops.. Amber reminded me. Go check out my own Goldfish Care sheet which will go through the basics of what is needed to keep goldfish successfully, long term. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/goldfish-care-sheet-fancy-goldfish.htm l If the link breaks (Yahoo Groups is famous for breaking long links), go to my main blog link in my sig and on the right side, you'll see "Goldfish Care" under the Labels section. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Goldfish tank questions Hopefully it's a big tank, goldfish grow to pretty good sizes and need huge tanks. Amber Aubrey wrote: > > > I was given a goldfish tank today on the condition that I keep the > fish (which I don't mind at all) but I've never had a tank of this > sort before. It doesn't have a heater but the first problem I noticed > is that it has an algae problem. I'm wondering if ther is an algae > eater that I can safely put in with the golds. Any help would be > great! Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39876	From: wcnida	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Prime is far superior to every thing else I have tried and is not expensive when purchased by the gallon. All of the professionals that service aquariums in our area use it. Wally - -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction.........Len" > > Hi Len, > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or > better yet, some of your now famous, web links. Please > remember that I am out of the hobby 30 years and not only > have I never used any of these products, I have never heard > of them either. Any additional information would be helpful. I am just > interested in what is best for my fish. > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM > > And once again, I reiterate that > > Prime is not really what you need.  You > > could get the API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction > > of the cost > > (probably a third) of Prime and then they are more > > concentrated so they will > > last 5X to 10X longer than the same sized bottle of > > Prime... since all you > > need is the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really > > is OVERKILL. > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with fish > > to help make the > > ammonia less or non-toxic.  > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to > > treat the water > > you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any > > dechlor product > > as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole tank when > > you get the prime > > (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you get). Then when you do > > your weekly > > PWC's just add enough to treat the water you are adding. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:02 PM So if the > > heavy metals don't > > > > get used up or evaporate then I suppose an > > initial dose with prime > > > > would be what Bill wants to do for his whole tank > > if he has not been > > > > using anything so far. > > > > Bill have you used any dechlor products at all > > yet? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, heavy metals do not evaporate. The EDTA > > in dechlor > > > > products is a > > > > > chelating agent that binds with the heavy > > metals to > > > > make them non-toxic. > > > > > > > > > > Not that this Wiki will explain it any > > simpler but... > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid> > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid>> > > > > and > > > > > this one > > > > > explains some more about EDTA... > > > > > http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.> > > > > > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html. > > > > > <http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/Chelates/Chelates.html.>> > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above > > reply are > > > > listed on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also > > under > > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:19 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > I think he's asking if he needs to dose it > > for the > > > > whole tank first > > > > > when he > > > > > first gets the prime, or if he should do a > > small dose? > > > > Do heavy metals > > > > > evaporate over time? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you really need to use > > Prime, or > > > > any other water > > > > > > conditioner, since you have well water, > > but, if > > > > you insist, when you > > > > > > dose the tank during a water change, > > you dose the > > > > tank for the amount > > > > > > of water you are replacing, not the > > amount of > > > > water in a full tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere this week I will be getting > > Prime > > > > delivered and I would like > > > > > > to start using it in my 20 long and > > 29-gallon > > > > tanks. I have well water > > > > > > with a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. PWC's are at > > 25% once a > > > > week. Tanks have good > > > > > > water parameter's right now and I am > > NOT using > > > > any additives as yet. > > > > > > Now for my questions. I have been on > > Seachem's > > > > web site and all over > > > > > > creation on the Internet trying to > > rather > > > > information. So far all can > > > > > > say for sure is that I have one heck of > > a > > > > headache! > > > > > > > > > > > > Some say to initially dose the whole > > tank once > > > > and then according with > > > > > > each water change, depending on if you > > use > > > > buckets, then directly into > > > > > > the bucket OR, and here's the part > > where I take a > > > > wrong turn. If your > > > > > > using water direct as I do, by hose, > > then dose > > > > the whole tank. This > > > > > > makes no sense to me at all because I > > figure by > > > > months end, your going > > > > > > to have one serious concentration of > > this stuff > > > > in each tank! Would > > > > > > this be over doing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Members who are using this stuff right > > now please > > > > tell me EXACTLY , > > > > > > when you are using this and EXACTLY how > > much you > > > > are using, any > > > > > > information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where's the Tylenol? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39877	From: Troy	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

In my line of work, we eat rude, crude, and obnoxious for breakfast. I expect nothing less from my fish. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r You better watch out if you name a fish "Lenny"... that could be one rude, crude and obnoxious fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r It's all about the brown snakes and getting bit on the behind. The flu has nothing to do with it since the animals we share the infection with are pigs and poultry-food animals. These won't get banned. Other country's will ban our pork and poultry, purportedly to protect from the flu, as China and Russia already have. But, in line with your concerns, they didn't really do it because of the flu. "It's really all about the money," not the public's health or money that matters most. They do it for business; to protect their businesses. Government regulation usually goes wrong when it's actually about protecting or promoting a private interest (e.g., high tariffs on imported sugar protect corn, ethanol subsidies protect corn, extension of the copyright time benefits Disney and the record companies). Business corrupts government. The availability of government protection corrupts business. Follow the money if you want to predict what will happen. Does any business interest stand to make money from HR 669? If not, I doubt it will pass. It has no popular appeal to promote it in lieu of a business interest. But just in case I am wrong, I am going to get Tim's One and Only to speed up the cycling of my new tank, so I can get some Bolivian Rams this weekend. I am going to name the male Lenny. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39878	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: About "Prime"

Far superior at what? It's certainly a good product but I'm not sure about giving it a "far superior" rating. As I've shown, it costs four times more than API's tap water conditioner. Unless someone is stuck with cycling a tank with fish or maybe having cycling issues due to using an antibiotic that wiped out their nitrifying bacteria or with certain other situations, Prime really isn't needed. It's certainly a GREAT product for folks stuck with cycling with fish... or even in the case of folks who have really high pH water and chloramines in their tap water. In the latter instance, when doing more than a 25% PWC, they could end up with an ammonia level (from the breaking down of chloramines) so that Prime might be useful but only a small percentage of folks have water with pH of 7.8 and above coming out of their tap. I happen to be one of those folks but even so, I've never seen the need for using Prime. When I do my weekly PWC's, I have both filters running and they are healthy and fully cycled filters so as I add water to the tank, the API dechlor breaks down the chloramine and the filters instantly convert any ammonia through the nitrogen cycle. I do have up to 0.5ppm of ammonia in my tap water after treating it with a dechlor product but with a 25% PWC, that would only be adding 0.125ppm of ammonia to the tank and since I am adding the water slowly during the refill process, this ammonia is being cycled before it can ever affect the fish. I've tested my tanks many times during the refill process and have never gotten an ammonia reading. There may be some ammonia for a few minutes but it's so low that it does not register on my test kits. The fish probably have more ammonia around them when they are peeing. ;-) BTW... here's the MSDS for Prime and all SeaChem says is that it contains: Proprietary aqueous solution of complexed hydrosulfite salts. http://www.seachem.com/support/MSDS/Prime.doc.pdf Kind of sounds like Sodium Thiosulfate and EDTA to me... with something else added to convert the ammonia to ammonium... but they do not disclose what this added chemical is. While SeaChem is a fine company and I use some of their other products (Purigen, for example), they also "over sell" or hype their products in ways that make them less believable. For example, here's a snip from http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Prime.html, which says, "...Prime™ is the most concentrated dechlorinator on the market. A single 100 mL bottle will treat 1000 US gallons of tap water...." and their assertion of being the "most concentrated" simply is not true. Their 250ml bottle (8 oz.) treats 2,500 gallons US but a 16 oz. bottle of API treats 9,600 gallons US, so an 8 oz. bottle of API would treat 4,800 gallons... nearly twice as much as what Prime would treat. Once again, Prime is a good product and is really good in certain situations but I do not put it at the "far superior" level... it's not like comparing Purigen to carbon, where I would give Purigen a "far superior" rating over plain carbon. Prime is probably a good thing to use when servicing other people's tanks, especially if you are changing out filter cartridges (or having to over-clean them instead of properly cleaning them) as changing or over-cleaning the cartridges (or other filter media) could put the tank into a mini-cycle and the Prime would at least help with making the ammonia less or non-toxic until the tank recovers from the mini-cycle. You certainly wouldn't want the folks calling you back complaining that their fish aren't acting right. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wcnida Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: About "Prime" Prime is far superior to every thing else I have tried and is not expensive when purchased by the gallon. All of the professionals that service aquariums in our area use it. Wally - -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > "API or Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction.........Len" > > Hi Len, > > Could you be more specific here by the brands exact name or better > yet, some of your now famous, web links. Please remember that I am > out of the hobby 30 years and not only have I never used any of these > products, I have never heard of them either. Any additional > information would be helpful. I am just interested in what is best > for my fish. > > Bill > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:23 PM And once again, I reiterate > > that Prime is not really what you need.  You could get the API or > > Top Fin dechlor product for a fraction of the cost (probably a > > third) of Prime and then they are more concentrated so they will > > last 5X to 10X longer than the same sized bottle of Prime... since > > all you need is the EDTA part of the dechlor anyhow... Prime really > > is OVERKILL. > > Prime's primary purpose is to help when cycling with fish to help > > make the ammonia less or non-toxic. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] About "Prime" > > > > Okay so what everyone has said is only add enough prime to treat the > > water you are adding to the tank, so since you have not used any > > dechlor product as of yet, I would add enough to treat the whole > > tank when you get the prime (or whatever heavy metal dechlor you > > get). Then when you do your weekly PWC's just add enough to treat > > the water you are adding. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No additives at all here. > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39879	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r

I hope you're talking about eating the fish. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r In my line of work, we eat rude, crude, and obnoxious for breakfast. I expect nothing less from my fish. t From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r You better watch out if you name a fish "Lenny"... that could be one rude, crude and obnoxious fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r It's all about the brown snakes and getting bit on the behind. The flu has nothing to do with it since the animals we share the infection with are pigs and poultry-food animals. These won't get banned. Other country's will ban our pork and poultry, purportedly to protect from the flu, as China and Russia already have. But, in line with your concerns, they didn't really do it because of the flu. "It's really all about the money," not the public's health or money that matters most. They do it for business; to protect their businesses. Government regulation usually goes wrong when it's actually about protecting or promoting a private interest (e.g., high tariffs on imported sugar protect corn, ethanol subsidies protect corn, extension of the copyright time benefits Disney and the record companies). Business corrupts government. The availability of government protection corrupts business. Follow the money if you want to predict what will happen. Does any business interest stand to make money from HR 669? If not, I doubt it will pass. It has no popular appeal to promote it in lieu of a business interest. But just in case I am wrong, I am going to get Tim's One and Only to speed up the cycling of my new tank, so I can get some Bolivian Rams this weekend. I am going to name the male Lenny. Troy From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r But... IT IS also spread from animal to animal and animal to human so the zealots will use this as another reason to stop importing animals claiming that these imported animals could carry new diseases into America... not withstanding that we've been importing animals and humans for a couple of hundred years and we're not all dead yet. In fact, I eat lots of chicken and pork, etc., and haven't caught mad cow or swine flu yet... well some may argue that I do have mad cow. LOL You see, many government "safety programs" start up under the guise of public safety but it's really all about the money... and with HR 669, taking away our right to own pets, it's not really about public safety. If they pass this legislation, they'll then have to fund another huge bureaucracy and/or the hiring of thousands of government employees, supervisors, administrative folks, bosses, political appointees, etc., to monitor the importation of our future pets. Then they'll have to tax the importing of these pets to fun the new government bureaucracy. Then each State will want to get in on the taxing of pets action as another way for them to tax-and-spend. Very few politicians have ever met a tax they didn't like... to spend. What do you mean by the Mayflower? What about Christopher Columbus and/or Leif Ericson? And some say the Chinese and Romans were even here before them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HR 669 - I wonder if the Guv'ment will use this Swine Flu as a r I still don't see what this flu would lead to the stopping of importation for animals. It is spread from human to human not animal to human. Though most of the population here are non native and damaging to the ecology of this land starting with the mayflower Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39880	From: N Taweel	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Small tank question

Hi, Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39881	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

Depends on the species. Some Corydoras stay very small... around 1", where others grow to over 4", including the GIANT Cory which grows to whopping 5"... I guess GIANT is a little of a stretch but that's one of the common names. LOL There are hundreds of species of fish in this Genus - Corydoras. Most of them need to be kept in shoals of six or more so for a 6G tank, you would have to get one of the species that stays small. Here's some more reading... Dwarf Corydoras - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras_hastatus.html (this is not a completely bottom feeding fish though. It's actually one of the Corydoras sp. that schools and swims mid-level so this may not be what you want or need.) Some of the more common Cory's - http://fish.mongabay.com/corydoradinae.htm (1/2 way down on this page is the Salt & Pepper Catfish - Corydoras habrosus - which also grows to only around 1" but if you read the profile on it, you will see that Mongabay says they are sensitive to water chemistry issues so the tank will have to be well maintained. Further down is the Pygmy Corydoras - Corydoras pygmaeus - which also grows to around 1" and Mongabay says they are more hardy.) A general profile on Cory's in general - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Corydoras.html Sites like http://www.PlanetCatfish.com and http://www.ScotCat.com will also have a LOT of information on the various Corydoras species. If you go to the PlanetCatfish Cat-e-log page, then fill out the search field for "Genus is - Corydoras", you will get a long list of profiles on the various Corydoras that they have worked up profiles on. That search page also lists the adult length of the fish so you could scroll down that long list looking for any other Cory's that stay in the 1" range. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Small tank question Hi, Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39882	From: gail	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

From my experience with Corys, I have Emerald Corys. They dont get very big and they have been wonderful. I was also told (by the fish store) that they are very hearty creatures. They endure a lot, but my concern would be that you don't vaccuum your gravel often. This type of habit can be bad for your little cory's at the bottom of the tank. I do know that the local fish stores (LFS) do often stock Panda Corys, Emerald Corys, & Albino Corys. These are some good choices. Was there a specific one that caught your interest?   -gail --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Small tank question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:09 AM Depends on the species. Some Corydoras stay very small... around 1", where others grow to over 4", including the GIANT Cory which grows to whopping 5"... I guess GIANT is a little of a stretch but that's one of the common names. LOL There are hundreds of species of fish in this Genus - Corydoras. Most of them need to be kept in shoals of six or more so for a 6G tank, you would have to get one of the species that stays small. Here's some more reading... Dwarf Corydoras - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras_ hastatus. html (this is not a completely bottom feeding fish though. It's actually one of the Corydoras sp. that schools and swims mid-level so this may not be what you want or need.) Some of the more common Cory's - http://fish. mongabay. com/corydoradina e.htm (1/2 way down on this page is the Salt & Pepper Catfish - Corydoras habrosus - which also grows to only around 1" but if you read the profile on it, you will see that Mongabay says they are sensitive to water chemistry issues so the tank will have to be well maintained. Further down is the Pygmy Corydoras - Corydoras pygmaeus - which also grows to around 1" and Mongabay says they are more hardy.) A general profile on Cory's in general - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras. html Sites like http://www.PlanetCa tfish.com and http://www.ScotCat. com will also have a LOT of information on the various Corydoras species. If you go to the PlanetCatfish Cat-e-log page, then fill out the search field for "Genus is - Corydoras", you will get a long list of profiles on the various Corydoras that they have worked up profiles on. That search page also lists the adult length of the fish so you could scroll down that long list looking for any other Cory's that stay in the 1" range. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Small tank question Hi, Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. Noura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39883	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water instead of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle and took at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > a new > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > different than > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > you did > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. right? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > weeks or > > so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had fish in it > then, > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > problem > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > plants > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" spectrum > > bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow vegetables > > indoors so I > > can see how that would make sense, my veggies always do better when > > they're > > on an east/west facing window sill with added fluorescent lighting, > so it > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > produce. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water changes, > > > now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since Corn > > > Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! You will > > > have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not sure > > > > what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to the eheim > > > > on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > I did a 100% > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long time > > > > of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still fine, no one > > > > is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked as I have fish in > > > > it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon in the near future, > > > > but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 gallon > > > > tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > other tanks > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > sit back in your > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > other tanks what > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > require > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > much light > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > extensive and > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > change. > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > will most likely > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > that you do not > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > plants but it will > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > Since this is a > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > will need to clean > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > it will block > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > but your purse. > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > only be used > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline of > > > > > > mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the water > > > > > > supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > this fall > > > > > > according to > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > hot water > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > the water a > > > > > > little less > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > or a > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > test on a > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > out and end > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > water during > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > just your > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > test on > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > it turns > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39884	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my tanks for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the glass. Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any changes... meaning less stress on the fish. The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier reply... was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual test results? Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call your local utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you got more than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has it been since you added that plant now? Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've been doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water issue, but I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since this algae bloom issue started. Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your Cory's doing that. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water instead of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle and took at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > a new > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > different than > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > you did > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. right? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > fish in it > then, > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > problem > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > plants > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > so it > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > produce. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you will be ok. > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > I did a 100% > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual actinic. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > other tanks > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > sit back in your > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > other tanks what > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > require > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > much light > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > extensive and > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > change. > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > will most likely > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > that you do not > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > plants but it will > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > Since this is a > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > will need to clean > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > it will block > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > but your purse. > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > only be used > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > this fall > > > > > > according to > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > hot water > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > the water a > > > > > > little less > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > or a > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > test on a > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > out and end > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > water during > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > just your > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > test on > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > it turns > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39885	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have to test later. There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes those better than pellets? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my tanks > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the > glass. > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC and > slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it > slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any changes... > meaning less stress on the fish. > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > reply... > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > water > baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 > level, > the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 > outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the pH is > sensitive to light/air, etc. > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual test > results? > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia reading > recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap > water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call your local > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to see if > they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you got more > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has it > been > since you added that plant now? > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've been > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water issue, but > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since this > algae bloom issue started. > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > acting > right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your Cory's doing > that. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water instead > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything > different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle and took > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > pouring into > the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my > guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > > a new > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > different than > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > you did > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > right? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > > fish in it > > then, > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > problem > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > > plants > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window > > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > so it > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > produce. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > will be > ok. > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon > > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > require > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > much light > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > change. > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > it will block > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > only be used > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline > > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > or a > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > water during > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > just your > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > test on > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39886	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears I now have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the LFS and find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're slowing down and acting sluggish. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I didn't > test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have to test > later. > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now I > wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > dead fish then :( > I will retest at lunch time today and see what my tank is sitting at, > also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when I refilled it slowly > with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be that different from > the mixed water to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting > weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes > those better than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > tanks > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the > > glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC and > > slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it > > slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any > changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > > water > > baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 > > level, > > the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 > > outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the pH is > > sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > usual test > > results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia reading > > recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap > > water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call your > local > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to see if > > they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you got > more > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has it > > been > > since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > you've been > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > issue, but > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since this > > algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > > acting > > right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your Cory's > doing > > that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > instead > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything > > different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle > and took > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > pouring into > > the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my > > guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > > > fish in it > > > then, > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > > problem > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > > > plants > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window > > > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > so it > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > > produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > will be > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > > > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon > > > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline > > > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > > test on > > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39887	From: amsterbaum	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: substitute for biocube filter?

Biocube filter cartridges are expensive and tend to get stuck. Any suggestions for alternatives? Any other brand known to fit the biocube system? Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39888	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > A drastic pH change can kill fish quite rapidly,The first signs are the fish usually hang at the top of the water line.Fancy guppies are very sensitive to this as are danios. HANK =============================== Could the pH of my cold water be that different from > the mixed water to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting > weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes > those better than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my tanks > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the > > glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC and > > slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it > > slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > > water > > baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 > > level, > > the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 > > outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the pH is > > sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual test > > results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia reading > > recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap > > water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call your local > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to see if > > they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you got more > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has it > > been > > since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've been > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water issue, but > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since this > > algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > > acting > > right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your Cory's doing > > that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water instead > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything > > different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle and took > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > pouring into > > the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my > > guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > > > fish in it > > > then, > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > > problem > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > > > plants > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window > > > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > so it > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > > produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > will be > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > > > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon > > > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline > > > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > > test on > > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39889	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Glofish fanciers

Just saw on the news-They have developed GLODOGS now. Next step in the process is humans. In the future when you hear that someone at a party is "lit" it may not mean that their drunk. Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39890	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > A drastic pH change can kill fish quite rapidly,The first signs are the fish usually hang at the top of the water line.Fancy guppies are very sensitive to this as are danios. HANK =============================== Could the pH of my cold water be that different from > the mixed water to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting > weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes > those better than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my tanks > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the > > glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC and > > slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it > > slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > > water > > baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 > > level, > > the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 > > outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the pH is > > sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual test > > results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia reading > > recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap > > water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call your local > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to see if > > they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you got more > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has it > > been > > since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've been > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water issue, but > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since this > > algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > > acting > > right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your Cory's doing > > that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water instead > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do anything > > different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle and took > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > pouring into > > the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my > > guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom 3 > > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > > > fish in it > > > then, > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > > problem > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on the > > > plants > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing window > > > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > so it > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > > produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > will be > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing since > > > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, not > > > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little overstocked > > > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 gallon > > > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one dual > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a baseline > > > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > > test on > > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39891	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I figured it was a pH shock with the cold water, I've never tested my cold water pH, I always tested everything mixed. Apparently my cold water is very different than my tank was, but a 25% change shouldn't have been that much of a shock, should it? I will test my cold water pH and see what it sits at. Amber hank voss wrote: > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > A drastic pH change can kill fish quite rapidly,The first signs are > the fish usually hang at the top of the water line.Fancy guppies are > very sensitive to this as are danios. > > > HANK > =============================== > > Could the pH of my cold water be that different from > > the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting > > weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes > > those better than pellets? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on > my tanks > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on the > > > glass. > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a > PWC and > > > slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, doing it > > > slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any > changes... > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > reply... > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > > > water > > > baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high CO2 > > > level, > > > the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up as the CO2 > > > outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to raise the > pH is > > > sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > usual test > > > results? > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > > > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > reading > > > recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and retesting my tap > > > water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. Also call > your local > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > see if > > > they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if you > got more > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long > has it > > > been > > > since you added that plant now? > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > you've been > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > issue, but > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > since this > > > algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > > > acting > > > right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your > Cory's doing > > > that. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > instead > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > anything > > > different other than that. The water was just the tiniest trickle > and took > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > pouring into > > > the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost > all my > > > guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > introduced > > > > a new > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > different than > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > > > you did > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae > bloom 3 > > > > > weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I had > > > > > fish in it > > > > then, > > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > > > problem > > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in > on the > > > > plants > > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of > hours. > > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing > window > > > > > sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > > so it > > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > > > produce. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > > will be > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > since > > > > > > Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go > there! > > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV > filter, not > > > > > > > sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked up to > > > > > > > the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a long > > > > > > > time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all still > > > > > > > fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little > overstocked > > > > > > > as I have fish in it that I want to move over to the 125 > gallon > > > > > > > in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very high > > > > > > > powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as the 125 > > > > > > > gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k and one > dual > > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a > baseline > > > > > > > > > of mixed water already a few months ago, and I know the > > > > > > > > > water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > > results. You could also do a third baseline > > > > > > > test on > > > > > > > > > the water mix that you > > > > > > > > > > use for refilling your tanks just to see how > > > > > > > it turns > > > > > > > > > out as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39892	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I told you to do the baseline testing on your cold water and a separate baseline test on your hot water. YES... they can be way off. And when you were mixing them, the hot water likely had a lower pH (because of less minerals, etc. in it) and a higher CO2 level which lowered the pH even more. Usually, a quickly rising pH is not as harmful to fish as a quickly falling pH but any kind of rapid pH change can cause pH shock to some fish. They will usually become very sluggish, laying on the bottom or other inactivity like nose in a corner of the tank, etc. but pH shock can cause quick deaths within a few hours sometimes... sometimes a couple of days. I'm still wondering if you didn't get hit with some kind of disease also... unless your water utility can identify something in the water. They do not have to make an announcement of something in the water unless it's harmful to humans... meaning there could be a chemical in the water supply that could kill the fish but if it's not harmful to humans at that low level, they do not have to announce it to the public. Send them an email and ask if anything has been going on with the water supply. Your Severum could also be showing signs of something... either a bug or a contaminant. Not all fish will be harmed by things. Some fish have higher immune systems or just a higher tolerance for things than other fish... just like us humans. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have to test later. There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes those better than pellets? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > tanks for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > on the glass. > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any changes... > meaning less stress on the fish. > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > reply... > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high > CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up > as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to > raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual > test results? > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. > Also call your local utility or better yet, email them with your water > test results to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > wondering if you got more than just suspended algae from that plant > you added??? How long has it been since you added that plant now? > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've > been doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > issue, but I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other > tanks since this algae bloom issue started. > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your > Cory's doing that. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > instead of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > trickle and took at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, > plus I had it pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to > outgas any CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's > :( > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > introduced > > a new > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > different than > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > you did > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > right? > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I > > > had fish in it > > then, > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > problem > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on > > > the > > plants > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing > > > window sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > so it > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > produce. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > will be > ok. > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > > since Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > ol bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39893	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay, so knowing this now, is there something I should do to help the fish that are suffering or just let the tank pH continue to settle? I have coral in the tank as a buffer, not sure if that will help too much though. I didn't think that such a small amount could change the pH so much, I will test my pH really quick and reply back. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I told you to do the baseline testing on your cold water and a separate > baseline test on your hot water. YES... they can be way off. And when you > were mixing them, the hot water likely had a lower pH (because of less > minerals, etc. in it) and a higher CO2 level which lowered the pH even > more. > > Usually, a quickly rising pH is not as harmful to fish as a quickly > falling > pH but any kind of rapid pH change can cause pH shock to some fish. They > will usually become very sluggish, laying on the bottom or other > inactivity > like nose in a corner of the tank, etc. but pH shock can cause quick > deaths > within a few hours sometimes... sometimes a couple of days. > > I'm still wondering if you didn't get hit with some kind of disease > also... > unless your water utility can identify something in the water. They do not > have to make an announcement of something in the water unless it's harmful > to humans... meaning there could be a chemical in the water supply that > could kill the fish but if it's not harmful to humans at that low level, > they do not have to announce it to the public. Send them an email and ask > if anything has been going on with the water supply. Your Severum could > also be showing signs of something... either a bug or a contaminant. Not > all fish will be harmed by things. Some fish have higher immune systems or > just a higher tolerance for things than other fish... just like us humans. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > read > it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I didn't > test this > morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have to test later. > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I think > I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, all my > albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes could cause > dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now I wonder if I > should have just left the water green, I didn't have any dead fish > then :( I > will retest at lunch time today and see what my tank is sitting at, > also no, > I didn't get micro bubbles this time when I refilled it slowly with cold > water. Could the pH of my cold water be that different from the mixed > water > to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except > my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still acting weird. > Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes those better > than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > > tanks for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > > on the glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to any > changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your tap > > water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has a high > > CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go up > > as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use to > > raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to usual > > test results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank is > > having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. > > Also call your local utility or better yet, email them with your water > > test results to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > > wondering if you got more than just suspended algae from that plant > > you added??? How long has it been since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know you've > > been doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > issue, but I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other > > tanks since this algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and not > > acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of your > > Cory's doing that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > instead of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > trickle and took at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, > > plus I had it pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to > > outgas any CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's > > :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae bloom > > > > 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled it? I > > > > had fish in it > > > then, > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green water > > > problem > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on > > > > the > > > plants > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing > > > > window sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > so it > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the fluorescents > > > > produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > will be > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > > > since Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go > there! > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39894	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or other chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other hour... and that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank and the tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They might have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would only be around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears I now have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the LFS and find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're slowing down and acting sluggish. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > to test later. > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he > likes those better than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > tanks > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > the glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to > > any > changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > usual test > > results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > on. Also call your > local > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if > > you got > more > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > you've been > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > issue, but > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > your Cory's > doing > > that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > instead > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > trickle > and took > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae > > > > bloom 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled > > > > it? I had fish in it > > > then, > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green > > > > water > > > problem > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on > > > > the > > > plants > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of hours. > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing > > > > window sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > so it > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the > > > > fluorescents produce. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > will be > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > > > since Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want to go there! > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, > > > > > > not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked > > > > > > up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > > > > > long time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all > > > > > > still fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little > > > > > > overstocked as I have fish in it that I want to move over to > > > > > > the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as well. > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > > > > > high powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as > > > > > > the 125 gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k > > > > > > and one dual > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a > > > > > > > > baseline of mixed water already a few months ago, and I > > > > > > > > know the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > results. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39895	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: substitute for biocube filter?

Never owned one but I did a Google of - biocube filter - and the top few hits were about the same complaint as yours... and some DIY ways of modifying the cartridges to reuse them. See my blog article about "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" for more info on reusing cartridges from other filter systems. I haven't bought a new filter cartridge in years. Here's my article... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/search/label/Filter%20Maintenance%20And%20Clea ning Here's some hits I found in the Google. http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t107890.html http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=192230 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amsterbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] substitute for biocube filter? Biocube filter cartridges are expensive and tend to get stuck. Any suggestions for alternatives? Any other brand known to fit the biocube system? Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39896	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it was enough to kill my guppy's and most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my water, the mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being when it settles out. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean > water is > a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a > bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix > cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and > continue > with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or other > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress > of too > many PWC's, too quickly. > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing > hourly > PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other hour... and > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming > water, > to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank and the > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > water like > some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They might > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would only be > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing > through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears I now > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the > LFS and > find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're > slowing down and acting sluggish. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > > to test later. > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > > tanks > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > > the glass. > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to > > > any > > changes... > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > reply... > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > usual test > > > results? > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > > on. Also call your > > local > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if > > > you got > > more > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > you've been > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > issue, but > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > > your Cory's > > doing > > > that. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > instead > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > > trickle > > and took > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > > introduced > > > > a new > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > different than > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > > said > > > > you did > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on > > > > > the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > > > Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > The thing I don't understand is why didn't I get this algae > > > > > bloom 3 weeks or so ago when I first set the tank up and cycled > > > > > it? I had fish in it > > > > then, > > > > > and a decent bioload I would assume. It didn't have a green > > > > > water > > > > problem > > > > > until I added these 3 new plants, so I'm guessing it came in on > > > > > the > > > > plants > > > > > somehow. I have already lowered my lighting down a couple of > hours. > > > > > Also it was (I think) Steve's suggestion that I keep the "blue" > > > > > spectrum bulbs as it creates a more full spectrum, and I grow > > > > > vegetables indoors so I can see how that would make sense, my > > > > > veggies always do better when they're on an east/west facing > > > > > window sill with added fluorescent lighting, > > > > so it > > > > > gets a fuller spectrum than just the white lights the > > > > > fluorescents produce. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have just solved your own problem. With the water > > > > > > changes, now start cutting back on light time and I think you > > > will be > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Diatom Filters? Thats an trick from ol bill! Greatest thing > > > > > > since Corn Flakes if used right. Used wrong? You don't want > to go > there! > > > > > > You will have trouble like you would not believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ol bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:52 AM I have a UV filter, > > > > > > > not sure what a diatom filter is ;). The UV filter is hooked > > > > > > > up to the eheim on the 125 gallon tank right now. > > > > > > > I did a 100% > > > > > > > water change in partial water changes last night (took a > > > > > > > long time of course, as I did one hourly). The fish are all > > > > > > > still fine, no one is shocked. The tank might be a little > > > > > > > overstocked as I have fish in it that I want to move over to > > > > > > > the 125 gallon in the near future, but it's a cycled tank as > well. > > > > > > > The biggest difference on the tank is that it has a very > > > > > > > high powered light on it, it puts out as much lighting as > > > > > > > the 125 gallon tank, and it has 2 spectrums, one white 10k > > > > > > > and one dual > > > actinic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been following along here and I want to make a few > > > > > > > SIMPLE > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The title reads in my 55-gallon. Since I know you have > > > > > > > other tanks > > > > > > > > including that 125, I must conclude here that they are > > > > > > > all fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are, take a break for a minute, stand back or > > > > > > > sit back in your > > > > > > > > case and THINK! If there is nothing wrong with the > > > > > > > other tanks what > > > > > > > > is different about the 55? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do all tanks have live plants? Lighting type and > > > > > > > timing of each? They > > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > > a good amount of proper light, could they be getting > > > > > > > too much? Next, > > > > > > > > the Bio-Load of the tank. Does it have too many fish? > > > > > > > Simply put, I > > > > > > > > believe if you will check, you will find that green > > > > > > > algae is a type of > > > > > > > > green plant. Plants need light. Too much light or too > > > > > > > much light > > > > > > > > intensity and you have lots of algae. If it really is > > > > > > > extensive and > > > > > > > > you want to clear it quickly I can offer 3 > > > > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can strip the tank in the manner of a 100% water > > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > > next, you can use an additive for control but this > > > > > > > will most likely > > > > > > > > kill any plants,as Lenny pointed out or a last choice > > > > > > > that you do not > > > > > > > > own, at least I do not think you own, a Vortex Diatom > > > > > > > Filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This filter will remove the algae and not hurt the > > > > > > > plants but it will > > > > > > > > hurt you! They run about 150 dollars give or take. > > > > > > > Since this is a > > > > > > > > very extensive filter, down to 1 to 3 microns, you > > > > > > > will need to clean > > > > > > > > and recharge the filter for the 55 at least twice, as > > > > > > > it will block > > > > > > > > quickly. It will clear the tank and not harm anything > > > > > > > but your purse. > > > > > > > > They are fantastic products but like any other device, > > > > > > > only be used > > > > > > > > with discretion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 > > > > > > > gallon > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:46 AM I've done a > > > > > > > > > baseline of mixed water already a few months ago, and I > > > > > > > > > know the water supply hasn't changed (will be changing > > > > > > > this fall > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > the notices they send out). > > > > > > > > > I will do a test of just cold and a test of just > > > > > > > hot water > > > > > > > > > and see how > > > > > > > > > they compare. > > > > > > > > > And yes, I do mix a small amount of hot to make > > > > > > > the water a > > > > > > > > > little less > > > > > > > > > of a shock ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, whether it's your own hot water heater > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > common one... do you add > > > > > > > > > > hot water to your cold water when refilling > > > > > > > the tanks? > > > > > > > > > I'm presuming you > > > > > > > > > > do. If so, do a separate 48 hour baseline > > > > > > > test on a > > > > > > > > > gallon of hot and cold > > > > > > > > > > water to see how much different they start > > > > > > > out and end > > > > > > > > > up. I realize you > > > > > > > > > > may only be adding 10% or so of the hot > > > > > > > water during > > > > > > > > > the refill > > > > > > > > > > process but > > > > > > > > > > it could make things a lot different than > > > > > > > just your > > > > > > > > > cold water > > > > > > > > > > baseline test > > > > > > > > > > results. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39897	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well, it might not be pH shock that is affecting them. Since you are seeing signs of fin rot, that's bacterial. Now the bacterial issue could have come on due to the green water (maybe even introduced from the plant), the frequent PWC's the other day or the cold-water-only PWC last night. There has been so much going on with the tank that it's hard to speculate which of these things triggered the bacterial issue. 99% of the time, these bacteria live alongside our fish and the fish are relatively immune to them but then if something triggers a stress issue, which then lowers the fish's immune system, then they get hit with the bacteria infection. It's just like with us humans. We are constantly breathing in, eating, etc., hundreds or thousands of bacteria that do not phase us... but then if we get a weakened immune system, BAM.. we're down for the count. All you can do now is leave the water alone while you continue to treat the symptoms that you can see... fin rot, etc. The Melafix/Pimafix cocktail is also supposed to work on internal and external bacterial issues so now that you've started it, let it work for at least 3-4 days.. probably a week and see how things go. If you keep losing fish, then you would have to do a series of PWC's (no more than one every two hours) and after 3-4 PWC's, add carbon to your filter and let things settle down for a day before trying a new med. Using/mixing too many meds can sometimes be just as bad on the fish as the illness. As far as the pH. For example, if the cold water baseline test shows the pH in the 8.0 range and your tank was in the low 6 pH range, then doing a single 25% PWC would only raise the pH by .5... which is a LOT. If you knew ahead of time that they were that different, then you would only want to do 10% PWC's instead of 25% PWC's... but if you do a series of PWC's, one every hour, then you would be raising the pH from the low 6's to nearly 8.0 in the course of all them PWC's and that is TOO MUCH for fish. You shouldn't change the pH by more than 0.2 in any one day to be on the safe side. Some fish can tolerate bigger changes but others will not. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay, so knowing this now, is there something I should do to help the fish that are suffering or just let the tank pH continue to settle? I have coral in the tank as a buffer, not sure if that will help too much though. I didn't think that such a small amount could change the pH so much, I will test my pH really quick and reply back. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I told you to do the baseline testing on your cold water and a > separate baseline test on your hot water. YES... they can be way off. > And when you were mixing them, the hot water likely had a lower pH > (because of less minerals, etc. in it) and a higher CO2 level which > lowered the pH even more. > > Usually, a quickly rising pH is not as harmful to fish as a quickly > falling pH but any kind of rapid pH change can cause pH shock to some > fish. They will usually become very sluggish, laying on the bottom or > other inactivity like nose in a corner of the tank, etc. but pH shock > can cause quick deaths within a few hours sometimes... sometimes a > couple of days. > > I'm still wondering if you didn't get hit with some kind of disease > also... > unless your water utility can identify something in the water. They do > not have to make an announcement of something in the water unless it's > harmful to humans... meaning there could be a chemical in the water > supply that could kill the fish but if it's not harmful to humans at > that low level, they do not have to announce it to the public. Send > them an email and ask if anything has been going on with the water > supply. Your Severum could also be showing signs of something... > either a bug or a contaminant. Not all fish will be harmed by things. > Some fish have higher immune systems or just a higher tolerance for things than other fish... just like us humans. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:27 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > to test later. > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > acting weird. > Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he likes those > better than pellets? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > > tanks for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > > on the glass. > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to > > any > changes... > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > reply... > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has > > a high > > CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it would go > > up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff they use > > to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > usual test results? > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going on. > > Also call your local utility or better yet, email them with your > > water test results to see if they say they should be in that range. > > I'm also wondering if you got more than just suspended algae from > > that plant you added??? How long has it been since you added that plant now? > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > you've been doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green > > water issue, but I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the > > other tanks since this algae bloom issue started. > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > your Cory's doing that. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > instead of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't > > do anything different other than that. The water was just the > > tiniest trickle and took at least a half an hour to fill the tank > > back up, plus I had it pouring into the tank instead of sitting in > > the tank to outgas any CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of > > peppered cory's :( > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > introduced > > > a new > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > different than > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > said > > > you did > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > right? > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39898	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

See my previous post. NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 which is only 0.15 which is a tolerable level for healthy fish. Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the tap, you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is important. If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) recent posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to get my political dig in today! LOL) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it was enough to kill my guppy's and most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my water, the mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being when it settles out. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean > water is > a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a > bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix > cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and > continue > with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or other > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress > of too > many PWC's, too quickly. > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing > hourly > PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other hour... and > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming > water, > to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank and the > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > water like > some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They might > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would only be > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing > through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears I now > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the > LFS and > find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're > slowing down and acting sluggish. > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > > to test later. > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > > tanks > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > > the glass. > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to > > > any > > changes... > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > reply... > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > usual test > > > results? > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > > on. Also call your > > local > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if > > > you got > > more > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > you've been > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > issue, but > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > > your Cory's > > doing > > > that. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > instead > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > > trickle > > and took > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > > introduced > > > > a new > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > different than > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > > said > > > > you did > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39899	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > See my previous post. > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > least not > at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to a 6.0 pH tank > would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 which is only 0.15 which > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the tap, > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could go > much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > important. > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) recent > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure this > out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your cold and hot > water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... the more > information, > the better at this point. Knowledge is power! (unless you get yours from > reading from a teleprompter... but if the teleprompter messes up, > there goes > your knowledge. Sorry... had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > nights > catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my tank is > about 6 > right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of the cold water at > the pH > of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it was enough to kill my guppy's and > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my water, the > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being when it > settles out. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean > > water is > > a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a > > bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix > > cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and > > continue > > with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or other > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress > > of too > > many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing > > hourly > > PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other hour... and > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming > > water, > > to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank and the > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > water like > > some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They > might > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > only be > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing > > through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears I now > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the > > LFS and > > find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're > > slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so I had > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > > > to test later. > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > > > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered cory's, > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > > > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, but now > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't have any > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > > > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this time when > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold water be > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > > > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see if he > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this on my > > > tanks > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > > > the glass. > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing a PWC > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to acclimate to > > > > any > > > changes... > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > > reply... > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap water has > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other stuff > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > > usual test > > > > results? > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that tank > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > > > on. Also call your > > > local > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also wondering if > > > > you got > > > more > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How long has > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > you've been > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > issue, but > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks since > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > > > your Cory's > > > doing > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > > instead > > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > > > trickle > > > and took > > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about that... > > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > > > introduced > > > > > a new > > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > > different than > > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > > > said > > > > > you did > > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G tank.. > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39900	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Question: Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino cory's > are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > least not > > at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to a 6.0 pH tank > > would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 which is only 0.15 > which > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > tap, > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could go > > much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > important. > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > recent > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure this > > out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your cold and hot > > water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... the more > > information, > > the better at this point. Knowledge is power! (unless you get yours from > > reading from a teleprompter... but if the teleprompter messes up, > > there goes > > your knowledge. Sorry... had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > nights > > catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my tank is > > about 6 > > right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of the cold water at > > the pH > > of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it was enough to kill my > guppy's and > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > water, the > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > when it > > settles out. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean > > > water is > > > a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a > > > bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix > > > cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and > > > continue > > > with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or > other > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress > > > of too > > > many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing > > > hourly > > > PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other > hour... and > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming > > > water, > > > to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank > and the > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > water like > > > some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They > > might > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > only be > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing > > > through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears > I now > > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the > > > LFS and > > > find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're > > > slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so > I had > > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > > > > to test later. > > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > > > > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered > cory's, > > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > > > > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, > but now > > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't > have any > > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > > > > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this > time when > > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold > water be > > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > > > > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see > if he > > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this > on my > > > > tanks > > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > > > > the glass. > > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing > a PWC > > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > > > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to > acclimate to > > > > > any > > > > changes... > > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > > > reply... > > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > > > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap > water has > > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > > > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other > stuff > > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > > > usual test > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that > tank > > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > > > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > > > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > > > > on. Also call your > > > > local > > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > > > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > wondering if > > > > > you got > > > > more > > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How > long has > > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > > you've been > > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > > issue, but > > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > since > > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > > > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > > > > your Cory's > > > > doing > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > > > instead > > > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > > > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > > > > trickle > > > > and took > > > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > > > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about > that... > > > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > a new > > > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > > > different than > > > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > > > > said > > > > > > you did > > > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G > tank.. > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39901	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the safe ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and the next thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the case how often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from my filters. Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank be a good idea or would it not help? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino cory's > are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > least not > > at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to a 6.0 pH tank > > would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 which is only 0.15 > which > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > tap, > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could go > > much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > important. > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > recent > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure this > > out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your cold and hot > > water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... the more > > information, > > the better at this point. Knowledge is power! (unless you get yours from > > reading from a teleprompter... but if the teleprompter messes up, > > there goes > > your knowledge. Sorry... had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > nights > > catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my tank is > > about 6 > > right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of the cold water at > > the pH > > of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it was enough to kill my > guppy's and > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > water, the > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > when it > > settles out. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh clean > > > water is > > > a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like you've picked up a > > > bacteria problem. Since you've already started on the Melafix/Pimafix > > > cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. Follow the instructions and > > > continue > > > with that for a week. I'm presuming you've removed the carbon (or > other > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the stress > > > of too > > > many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of doing > > > hourly > > > PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every other > hour... and > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and incoming > > > water, > > > to make sure they are close. Of course, if the water in the tank > and the > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > water like > > > some folks do when they have unlimited free water from a well. They > > might > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > only be > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and overflowing > > > through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears > I now > > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to the > > > LFS and > > > find something else, hopefully that'll at least help the fish that're > > > slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so > I had > > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will have > > > > to test later. > > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this morning, I > > > > think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my peppered > cory's, > > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water changes > > > > could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water problem, > but now > > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't > have any > > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what my > > > > tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this > time when > > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold > water be > > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in them, > > > > except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is still > > > > acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets to see > if he > > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this > on my > > > > tanks > > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles on > > > > > the glass. > > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing > a PWC > > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If anything, > > > > > doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period to > acclimate to > > > > > any > > > > changes... > > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an earlier > > > > > reply... > > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said your > > > > > tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap > water has > > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then it > > > > > would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the other > stuff > > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared to > > > > usual test > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that > tank > > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight ammonia > > > > > reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be testing and > > > > > retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what the heck is going > > > > > on. Also call your > > > > local > > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results to > > > > > see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > wondering if > > > > > you got > > > > more > > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How > long has > > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > > you've been > > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > > issue, but > > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > since > > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day and > > > > > not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a couple of > > > > > your Cory's > > > > doing > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > > > Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > > > Okay Lenny, I tried your slowly refilling the tank with cold water > > > > instead > > > > > of mixed water and woke up to half my tank dead :( I didn't do > > > > > anything different other than that. The water was just the tiniest > > > > > trickle > > > > and took > > > > > at least a half an hour to fill the tank back up, plus I had it > > > > > pouring into the tank instead of sitting in the tank to outgas any > > > > > CO2. I lost all my guppies, and a couple of peppered cory's :( > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you're correct I didn't disinfect them, I'm bad about > that... > > > > > > Normally I just rinse them really good under tap water. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you added the new plant(s) from your LFS, you likely > > > > > > > introduced > > > > > > a new > > > > > > > strain of suspended algae. Suspended "green water" algae is > > > > > > different than > > > > > > > other algae that grows on things. I'm pretty sure you already > > > > > > > said > > > > > > you did > > > > > > > not disinfect those plants before adding them to your 55G > tank.. > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39902	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

Your emerald cory is not a cory catfish. It is a _Brochis splendens_. Related, closely, to corys, but not a cory. Yes, I know, a technicality, but just another example where a common name can get you into trouble. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gail Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Small tank question From my experience with Corys, I have Emerald Corys. They dont get very big and they have been wonderful. I was also told (by the fish store) that they are very hearty creatures. They endure a lot, but my concern would be that you don't vaccuum your gravel often. This type of habit can be bad for your little cory's at the bottom of the tank. I do know that the local fish stores (LFS) do often stock Panda Corys, Emerald Corys, & Albino Corys. These are some good choices. Was there a specific one that caught your interest?   -gail --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Small tank question To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:09 AM Depends on the species. Some Corydoras stay very small... around 1", where others grow to over 4", including the GIANT Cory which grows to whopping 5"... I guess GIANT is a little of a stretch but that's one of the common names. LOL There are hundreds of species of fish in this Genus - Corydoras. Most of them need to be kept in shoals of six or more so for a 6G tank, you would have to get one of the species that stays small. Here's some more reading... Dwarf Corydoras - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras_ hastatus. html (this is not a completely bottom feeding fish though. It's actually one of the Corydoras sp. that schools and swims mid-level so this may not be what you want or need.) Some of the more common Cory's - http://fish. mongabay. com/corydoradina e.htm (1/2 way down on this page is the Salt & Pepper Catfish - Corydoras habrosus - which also grows to only around 1" but if you read the profile on it, you will see that Mongabay says they are sensitive to water chemistry issues so the tank will have to be well maintained. Further down is the Pygmy Corydoras - Corydoras pygmaeus - which also grows to around 1" and Mongabay says they are more hardy.) A general profile on Cory's in general - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras. html Sites like http://www.PlanetCa tfish.com and http://www.ScotCat. com will also have a LOT of information on the various Corydoras species. If you go to the PlanetCatfish Cat-e-log page, then fill out the search field for "Genus is - Corydoras", you will get a long list of profiles on the various Corydoras that they have worked up profiles on. That search page also lists the adult length of the fish so you could scroll down that long list looking for any other Cory's that stay in the 1" range. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of N Taweel Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Small tank question Hi, Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39903	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% dose (or less) of M/P. Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... I'm just hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water within 1-2F of temperature? Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's possibly sick. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Question: Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to > > a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > which is only 0.15 > which > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > tap, > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could > > go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > important. > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > recent > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the > > teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to > > get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my > > tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of > > the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it > > was enough to kill my > guppy's and > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > water, the > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > when it > > settles out. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like > > > you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started > > > on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > other > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every > > > other > hour... and > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > water in the tank > and the > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from > > > a well. They > > might > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > only be > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39904	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I think I answered most of this in my previous reply a couple of minutes ago but yes, normally, keeping the water in good condition, by doing regular PWC's, will allow a fish to heal up on its own from fin rot but sometimes, medications are still needed or will help the fish heal up faster. Since you've just done a bunch of PWC's on the tank, your water quality "should" be in great shape so there is no need to worry about a PWC during the course of treatment for the next seven days. If I'm not mistaken, it's not advised to run a UV filter when using most medications. I do not use a UV filter so I haven't read up as much on them so you should check the UV filter instructions and/or small print on Melafix/Pimafix to see what it says... or check API's website FAQ's http://www.aquariumpharm.com or call them in the morning http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx Product/Technical Support: (800) 847-0659 or via their contact us page http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx or email mailto:techservice@... If you didn't have medications in the tank, then running the UV would be OK to help kill any suspended bacteria but right now, the bacteria are already in/on your fish so I don't think the UV would do much good anyhow. UV's are more of a preventive measure, not a treatment measure... at least for bacteria and parasites. UV's are a treatment measure for green water suspended algae issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the safe ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and the next thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the case how often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from my filters. Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank be a good idea or would it not help? Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to > > a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > which is only 0.15 > which > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > tap, > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could > > go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > important. > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > recent > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the > > teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to > > get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my > > tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of > > the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it > > was enough to kill my > guppy's and > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > water, the > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > when it > > settles out. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like > > > you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started > > > on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > other > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every > > > other > hour... and > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > water in the tank > and the > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from > > > a well. They > > might > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > only be > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears > I now > > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to > > > the LFS and find something else, hopefully that'll at least help > > > the fish that're slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so > I had > > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will > > > > have to test later. > > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this > > > > morning, I think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my > > > > peppered > cory's, > > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water > > > > changes could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water > > > > problem, > but now > > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't > have any > > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what > > > > my tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this > time when > > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold > water be > > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in > > > > them, except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is > > > > still acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets > > > > to see > if he > > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this > on my > > > > tanks > > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > > > > > on the glass. > > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing > a PWC > > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If > > > > > anything, doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period > > > > > to > acclimate to > > > > > any > > > > changes... > > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an > > > > > earlier reply... > > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said > > > > > your tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap > water has > > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then > > > > > it would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the > > > > > other > stuff > > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared > > > > > to > > > > usual test > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that > tank > > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight > > > > > ammonia reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be > > > > > testing and retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what > > > > > the heck is going on. Also call your > > > > local > > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results > > > > > to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > wondering if > > > > > you got > > > > more > > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How > long has > > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > > you've been > > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > > issue, but > > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > since > > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day > > > > > and not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a > > > > > couple of your Cory's > > > > doing > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39905	From: greychildren	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

also i wanted to add to Lenny subjection : try to find out were the LFS got the plant from. I know a large percent of aquatic plants are grown in Florida via outdoors were lots and lots of nasties can be attached to the plants. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I think I answered most of this in my previous reply a couple of minutes ago > but yes, normally, keeping the water in good condition, by doing regular > PWC's, will allow a fish to heal up on its own from fin rot but sometimes, > medications are still needed or will help the fish heal up faster. Since > you've just done a bunch of PWC's on the tank, your water quality "should" > be in great shape so there is no need to worry about a PWC during the course > of treatment for the next seven days. > > If I'm not mistaken, it's not advised to run a UV filter when using most > medications. I do not use a UV filter so I haven't read up as much on them > so you should check the UV filter instructions and/or small print on > Melafix/Pimafix to see what it says... or check API's website FAQ's > http://www.aquariumpharm.com or call them in the morning > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx Product/Technical > Support: (800) 847-0659 or via their contact us page > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx or email > mailto:techservice@... > > If you didn't have medications in the tank, then running the UV would be OK > to help kill any suspended bacteria but right now, the bacteria are already > in/on your fish so I don't think the UV would do much good anyhow. UV's are > more of a preventive measure, not a treatment measure... at least for > bacteria and parasites. UV's are a treatment measure for green water > suspended algae issues. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done > something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the safe > ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and the next > thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. > You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the case how > often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more > melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from my > filters. > Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank be a > good idea or would it not help? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to > > > a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could > > > go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > > important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the > > > teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to > > > get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > > nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my > > > tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of > > > the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it > > > was enough to kill my > > guppy's and > > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > > water, the > > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > > when it > > > settles out. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like > > > > you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started > > > > on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > > other > > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every > > > > other > > hour... and > > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > > water in the tank > > and the > > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > > water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from > > > > a well. They > > > might > > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > > only be > > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears > > I now > > > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would assume. > > > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to > > > > the LFS and find something else, hopefully that'll at least help > > > > the fish that're slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so > > I had > > > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will > > > > > have to test later. > > > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this > > > > > morning, I think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my > > > > > peppered > > cory's, > > > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water > > > > > changes could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water > > > > > problem, > > but now > > > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't > > have any > > > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what > > > > > my tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this > > time when > > > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold > > water be > > > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in > > > > > them, except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is > > > > > still acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets > > > > > to see > > if he > > > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this > > on my > > > > > tanks > > > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > > > > > > on the glass. > > > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing > > a PWC > > > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If > > > > > > anything, doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period > > > > > > to > > acclimate to > > > > > > any > > > > > changes... > > > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an > > > > > > earlier reply... > > > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said > > > > > > your tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap > > water has > > > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then > > > > > > it would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the > > > > > > other > > stuff > > > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared > > > > > > to > > > > > usual test > > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that > > tank > > > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight > > > > > > ammonia reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be > > > > > > testing and retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what > > > > > > the heck is going on. Also call your > > > > > local > > > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results > > > > > > to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > > wondering if > > > > > > you got > > > > > more > > > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How > > long has > > > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > > > you've been > > > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > > > issue, but > > > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > > since > > > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day > > > > > > and not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a > > > > > > couple of your Cory's > > > > > doing > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39906	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just keep > dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to continue > treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing daily for up to > another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, Gourami's, > etc... do > you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, you would want to remove > them and treat them separately as full doses of Melafix/Pimafix have been > reported to adversely affect some labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you > should use no more than a 50% dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan > to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did you > actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely > at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that series of PWC's > that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get the water close to > tank > temperature... right? Did you keep the water within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard > to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know the > maintenance > man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of maintenance they do > on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary contaminants out the bottom > on a > regular basis? This should be done on our home's hot water heaters > although > 99% of folks do not do it. I do this as one of the services that my > company > offers to my customers and most still do not do it. It should be part of > the spring-cleaning of every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more > folks use hot water at certain times of the day... either morning or later > in the night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely > to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are > going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks are not > using > the hot water. This would minimize the chances of getting boiler sediment > into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was something > brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and possibly a new > strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been immune to... or > maybe it > was not a new strain of bacteria and it was something already in your tank > and the fish were OK with it until the fishes immune system was possibly > weakened by the stress of hourly PWC's... although I'm not convinced > of any > of these things. I'm still worried it might be your water supply.. either > the water from the utility or the water from the boiler since you do > have at > least one other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like > it's possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to > > > a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could > > > go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > > important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the > > > teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to > > > get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > > nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my > > > tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of > > > the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it > > > was enough to kill my > > guppy's and > > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > > water, the > > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > > when it > > > settles out. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like > > > > you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started > > > > on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > > other > > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every > > > > other > > hour... and > > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > > water in the tank > > and the > > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > > water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from > > > > a well. They > > > might > > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > > only be > > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39907	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

After adding the meds I've noticed the fish are acting more normal, which is good. Hopefully I don't lose any more. I won't be able to replace the peppered cory's as they don't have any more at the LFS, they have what appeared to be green aeneus cory's in, but I could be wrong on the name... she just called them "green cory's" *sigh*. I cleaned the filter this evening and added some more filter floss where the carbon was, obviously after cleaning and emptying out the filter I had to refill the tank about 10 gallons, but I added 10 gallons worth of meds back into the tank to make up for it. Also on a side note... Duckweed should be an invasive species... as much as I love it, I could also hate it quite easily ;) wonder what it would do to a lake ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I think I answered most of this in my previous reply a couple of > minutes ago > but yes, normally, keeping the water in good condition, by doing regular > PWC's, will allow a fish to heal up on its own from fin rot but sometimes, > medications are still needed or will help the fish heal up faster. Since > you've just done a bunch of PWC's on the tank, your water quality "should" > be in great shape so there is no need to worry about a PWC during the > course > of treatment for the next seven days. > > If I'm not mistaken, it's not advised to run a UV filter when using most > medications. I do not use a UV filter so I haven't read up as much on them > so you should check the UV filter instructions and/or small print on > Melafix/Pimafix to see what it says... or check API's website FAQ's > http://www.aquariumpharm.com <http://www.aquariumpharm.com> or call > them in the morning > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx> > Product/Technical > Support: (800) 847-0659 or via their contact us page > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx> or > email > mailto:techservice@... > <mailto:techservice%40aquariumpharm.com> > > If you didn't have medications in the tank, then running the UV would > be OK > to help kill any suspended bacteria but right now, the bacteria are > already > in/on your fish so I don't think the UV would do much good anyhow. > UV's are > more of a preventive measure, not a treatment measure... at least for > bacteria and parasites. UV's are a treatment measure for green water > suspended algae issues. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done > something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the safe > ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and the next > thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. > You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the > case how > often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more > melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from my > filters. > Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank be a > good idea or would it not help? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water to > > > a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It could > > > go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline testing is > > > important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if the > > > teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... had to > > > get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of last > > > nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH in my > > > tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change 25% of > > > the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but obviously it > > > was enough to kill my > > guppy's and > > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > > water, the > > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > > when it > > > settles out. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds like > > > > you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already started > > > > on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > > other > > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once every > > > > other > > hour... and > > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > > water in the tank > > and the > > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of incoming > > > > water like some folks do when they have unlimited free water from > > > > a well. They > > > might > > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it would > > > only be > > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:33 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > > > Gah, after looking closely at my purple passion danio's it appears > > I now > > > > have caused stress and fin rot from the water changes I would > assume. > > > > I dosed with melafix and pimafix for now until I can get out to > > > > the LFS and find something else, hopefully that'll at least help > > > > the fish that're slowing down and acting sluggish. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ammonia reading wasn't true, when I retested it it was 0, so > > I had > > > > > read it wrong the first time, all I had was a nitrate reading. I > > > > > didn't test this morning as I didn't have time to do so, I will > > > > > have to test later. > > > > > There is definitely a lot less activity in the tank this > > > > > morning, I think I'm also losing my danio's, and the rest of my > > > > > peppered > > cory's, > > > > > all my albino cory's are fine. I don't understand how water > > > > > changes could cause dead fish. I no longer have a green water > > > > > problem, > > but now > > > > > I wonder if I should have just left the water green, I didn't > > have any > > > > > dead fish then :( I will retest at lunch time today and see what > > > > > my tank is sitting at, also no, I didn't get micro bubbles this > > time when > > > > > I refilled it slowly with cold water. Could the pH of my cold > > water be > > > > > that different from the mixed water to kill off my fish? > > > > > And yes, I've been doing PWC's on my other tanks, no issues in > > > > > them, except my nasty tempered Angel's ;) That and my Severum is > > > > > still acting weird. Should I start trying to feed him crickets > > > > > to see > > if he > > > > > likes those better than pellets? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMMMMM... I don't understand that at all. I've been doing this > > on my > > > > > tanks > > > > > > for years without a single problem and never any micro-bubbles > > > > > > on the glass. > > > > > > Did you get the micro-bubbles this time? I don't see how doing > > a PWC > > > > > > and slowly filling the tank could cause a fish kill. If > > > > > > anything, doing it slowly would give the fish a longer period > > > > > > to > > acclimate to > > > > > > any > > > > > changes... > > > > > > meaning less stress on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing... and I'm not sure if you caught it in an > > > > > > earlier reply... > > > > > > was that I wasn't sure you have a CO2 problem since you said > > > > > > your tap water baseline pH would go down instead of up. If tap > > water has > > > > > > a high CO2 level, the initial pH test would be lower and then > > > > > > it would go up as the CO2 outgases. Of course, some of the > > > > > > other > > stuff > > > > > > they use to raise the pH is sensitive to light/air, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > What were your water test results this morning? And compared > > > > > > to > > > > > usual test > > > > > > results? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something strange is happening in that tank... first only that > > tank > > > > > > is having the suspended algae problem and you had a slight > > > > > > ammonia reading recently. And now a fish kill? I would be > > > > > > testing and retesting my tap water, tanks, etc., to see what > > > > > > the heck is going on. Also call your > > > > > local > > > > > > utility or better yet, email them with your water test results > > > > > > to see if they say they should be in that range. I'm also > > wondering if > > > > > > you got > > > > > more > > > > > > than just suspended algae from that plant you added??? How > > long has > > > > > > it been since you added that plant now? > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you been using the same water on your other tanks? I know > > > > > you've been > > > > > > doing a lot of PWC's on the 55G, since you got the green water > > > > > issue, but > > > > > > I'm curious if you've been doing any PWC's on the other tanks > > since > > > > > > this algae bloom issue started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Weren't the Cory's hanging out near the surface the other day > > > > > > and not acting right? I know you mentioned something about a > > > > > > couple of your Cory's > > > > > doing > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39908	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from several time periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet or use your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's have a screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. There are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and CCR's and join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards for the past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the rules and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" newsletter exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these other forums. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of > > > last nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH > > > in my tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change > > > 25% of the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but > > > obviously it was enough to kill my > > guppy's and > > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > > water, the > > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > > when it > > > settles out. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds > > > > like you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already > > > > started on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > > other > > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once > > > > every other > > hour... and > > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > > water in the tank > > and the > > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of > > > > incoming water like some folks do when they have unlimited free > > > > water from a well. They > > > might > > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it > > > > would > > > only be > > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39909	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

And like \\Steve// mentioned earlier in another thread, there is a catfish commonly called an "Emerald Cory" that is actually not a Corydoras sp... it's Brochis splendens. I hope I'm spelling that right since I'm typing on the fly without checking spelling. If you are complaining about getting duckweed in your filter, you should put your filter intake deeper into the tank, especially if the intake is near the waterfall from a filter. I have the HOB in my goldfish tank where the filter intake on that filter is kind of shallow and when I do throw some duckweed, from my Cherry Shrimp tank, into the goldfish tank, some of it will get stuck to the intake of that filter but eventually the goldfish nibble it off the intake screen. I don't have a problem with it getting into my canister since I have the intake really deep in the tank and there's no waterfall near the canister intake. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon After adding the meds I've noticed the fish are acting more normal, which is good. Hopefully I don't lose any more. I won't be able to replace the peppered cory's as they don't have any more at the LFS, they have what appeared to be green aeneus cory's in, but I could be wrong on the name... she just called them "green cory's" *sigh*. I cleaned the filter this evening and added some more filter floss where the carbon was, obviously after cleaning and emptying out the filter I had to refill the tank about 10 gallons, but I added 10 gallons worth of meds back into the tank to make up for it. Also on a side note... Duckweed should be an invasive species... as much as I love it, I could also hate it quite easily ;) wonder what it would do to a lake ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I think I answered most of this in my previous reply a couple of > minutes ago but yes, normally, keeping the water in good condition, by > doing regular PWC's, will allow a fish to heal up on its own from fin > rot but sometimes, medications are still needed or will help the fish > heal up faster. Since you've just done a bunch of PWC's on the tank, > your water quality "should" > be in great shape so there is no need to worry about a PWC during the > course of treatment for the next seven days. > > If I'm not mistaken, it's not advised to run a UV filter when using > most medications. I do not use a UV filter so I haven't read up as > much on them so you should check the UV filter instructions and/or > small print on Melafix/Pimafix to see what it says... or check API's > website FAQ's http://www.aquariumpharm.com > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com> or call them in the morning > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx> > Product/Technical > Support: (800) 847-0659 or via their contact us page > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx> or > email mailto:techservice@... > <mailto:techservice%40aquariumpharm.com> > > If you didn't have medications in the tank, then running the UV would > be OK to help kill any suspended bacteria but right now, the bacteria > are already in/on your fish so I don't think the UV would do much good > anyhow. > UV's are > more of a preventive measure, not a treatment measure... at least for > bacteria and parasites. UV's are a treatment measure for green water > suspended algae issues. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:41 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done > something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the > safe ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and > the next thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. > You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the > case how often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more > melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from > my filters. > Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank > be a good idea or would it not help? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39910	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Lenny, I used to get hot water from a boiler arrangement. It was the so-called "instant" hot water heater. While there would be water in the unit, there was not nearly enough to allow sediment to collect as in a hot water tank heater. It is simply water sitting in pipes waiting to be called upon. Just like your cold water sits in pipes waiting to be used. I think you can safely rule out the hot water system in Amber's building as being the problem or part of the problem. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from several time periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet or use your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's have a screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. There are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and CCR's and join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards for the past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the rules and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" newsletter exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these other forums. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > > > Okay I can tell you from my pH tests that that was the cause of > > > last nights catastrophe. My pH out of the tap is about 6.6, the pH > > > in my tank is about 6 right now. I'm not sure how much of a change > > > 25% of the cold water at the pH of 6.6 would have done, but > > > obviously it was enough to kill my > > guppy's and > > > most of my peppered cory's :( I think I will stick to mixing my > > water, the > > > mixed water baseline was much closer to what my tank ends up being > > when it > > > settles out. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The water changes will not cause fin rot... if anything fresh > > > > clean water is a big part of the cure for fin rot. It sounds > > > > like you've picked up a bacteria problem. Since you've already > > > > started on the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail, DO NOT go mixing other meds. > > > > Follow the instructions and continue with that for a week. I'm > > > > presuming you've removed the carbon (or > > other > > > > chemical filtration) from you filter if you use it. > > > > > > > > Hopefully it's just a minor bacterial issue brought on by the > > > > stress of too many PWC's, too quickly. > > > > > > > > In the future, ask here first before partaking on a mission of > > > > doing hourly PWC's. I normally do not do them more than once > > > > every other > > hour... and > > > > that's only when I know the water parameters of my tank and > > > > incoming water, to make sure they are close. Of course, if the > > > > water in the tank > > and the > > > > tap are the same, then you could have a constant flow of > > > > incoming water like some folks do when they have unlimited free > > > > water from a well. They > > > might > > > > have their tanks set up to get 100% PWC's daily but then it > > > > would > > > only be > > > > around 5% an hour and constantly flowing into the tank and > > > > overflowing through an overflow valve and down a drain or something. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39911	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well that's not quite what I was complaining about, I was complaining because every time I stick my arm, or the python cleaner into the tank I come out covered in duck weed ;) Yeah I looked at pictures of the brochis splendens and I think it's one of those and not a cory. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And like \\Steve// mentioned earlier in another thread, there is a catfish > commonly called an "Emerald Cory" that is actually not a Corydoras sp... > it's Brochis splendens. I hope I'm spelling that right since I'm typing on > the fly without checking spelling. > > If you are complaining about getting duckweed in your filter, you > should put > your filter intake deeper into the tank, especially if the intake is near > the waterfall from a filter. I have the HOB in my goldfish tank where the > filter intake on that filter is kind of shallow and when I do throw some > duckweed, from my Cherry Shrimp tank, into the goldfish tank, some of it > will get stuck to the intake of that filter but eventually the goldfish > nibble it off the intake screen. I don't have a problem with it getting > into my canister since I have the intake really deep in the tank and > there's > no waterfall near the canister intake. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > After adding the meds I've noticed the fish are acting more normal, > which is > good. Hopefully I don't lose any more. I won't be able to replace the > peppered cory's as they don't have any more at the LFS, they have what > appeared to be green aeneus cory's in, but I could be wrong on the name... > she just called them "green cory's" *sigh*. > > I cleaned the filter this evening and added some more filter floss > where the > carbon was, obviously after cleaning and emptying out the filter I had to > refill the tank about 10 gallons, but I added 10 gallons worth of meds > back > into the tank to make up for it. > Also on a side note... Duckweed should be an invasive species... as > much as > I love it, I could also hate it quite easily ;) wonder what it would > do to a > lake ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I think I answered most of this in my previous reply a couple of > > minutes ago but yes, normally, keeping the water in good condition, by > > doing regular PWC's, will allow a fish to heal up on its own from fin > > rot but sometimes, medications are still needed or will help the fish > > heal up faster. Since you've just done a bunch of PWC's on the tank, > > your water quality "should" > > be in great shape so there is no need to worry about a PWC during the > > course of treatment for the next seven days. > > > > If I'm not mistaken, it's not advised to run a UV filter when using > > most medications. I do not use a UV filter so I haven't read up as > > much on them so you should check the UV filter instructions and/or > > small print on Melafix/Pimafix to see what it says... or check API's > > website FAQ's http://www.aquariumpharm.com > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com> > > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com <http://www.aquariumpharm.com>> or > call them in the morning > > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx> > > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/general-help.aspx>> > > Product/Technical > > Support: (800) 847-0659 or via their contact us page > > http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx> > > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx > <http://www.aquariumpharm.com/help-desk/freshwater-questions.aspx>> or > > email mailto:techservice@... > <mailto:techservice%40aquariumpharm.com> > > <mailto:techservice%40aquariumpharm.com> > > > > If you didn't have medications in the tank, then running the UV would > > be OK to help kill any suspended bacteria but right now, the bacteria > > are already in/on your fish so I don't think the UV would do much good > > anyhow. > > UV's are > > more of a preventive measure, not a treatment measure... at least for > > bacteria and parasites. UV's are a treatment measure for green water > > suspended algae issues. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:41 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > I'm so frustrated about my fish tank today, I wish I could have done > > something different to have the outcome better, I was trying all the > > safe ways I could think of to try to get rid of green algae water, and > > the next thing I know my fish are dead or near dead. > > You stated that PWC's are good for fin and tail rot, if that's the > > case how often should I do them? I went out to the LFS and bought more > > melafix/pimafix in case I run out, and yes I removed the carbon from > > my filters. > > Would bringing the eheim and UV filter up and running it on this tank > > be a good idea or would it not help? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > > which is only 0.15 > > > which > > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > > the > > > tap, > > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > > testing is important. > > > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > > recent > > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39912	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

OK. While I've been involved in all phases of maintenance/repair of homes, condos, apartments, etc., I've never dealt with a boiler. I envisioned it being a BIG hot water heater... and therefore needing the same kinds of maintenance. What are your thoughts on this problem that Amber has been having... if you've been following this thread. I know it's over 60 messages now and has been going on for several days.... maybe a week. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Lenny, I used to get hot water from a boiler arrangement. It was the so-called "instant" hot water heater. While there would be water in the unit, there was not nearly enough to allow sediment to collect as in a hot water tank heater. It is simply water sitting in pipes waiting to be called upon. Just like your cold water sits in pipes waiting to be used. I think you can safely rule out the hot water system in Amber's building as being the problem or part of the problem. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from several time periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet or use your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's have a screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. There are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and CCR's and join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards for the past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the rules and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" newsletter exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these other forums. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39913	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article ma

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39914	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. ;-) It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" (what other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.guest.ht ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your default media player. http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc1.asx http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc2.asx So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" storms the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaugh-is -wrong/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39915	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Well, not to berate Amber too much, she should have never done the number of water changes she has done. She has been here long enough to see some of the other threads on cloudy water, both bacterial and algal, to recognize that this course of action is seldom recommended. I think that by doing these water changes, amounting to more than 100% in a very short period of time, radically changed her water chemistry, and I am not talking about the things we normally measure, to the extent that her fish had problems handling the change. Reading a bit into her oblique mentions of the duckweed in the tank, it seems it is quite healthy and proliferating quite well, which would indicate a high amount of available nutrients in the water, as well as the amount of light she is giving the tank. I have not seen any talk about an excess of nutrients yet in the tank, and what the possible source may be. Perhaps there has been an increase of phosphorous compounds in her water supply, though this should also have had some effect on her other tanks as well, such as an increase in health and growth of her plants and/or an increase in one or more forms of algae in those tanks. I do not know enough about lighting to say much off the top of my head about her specific lighting on this tank, especially in the area of whether or not the actinic lamp is good or useless in a freshwater situation. I do know, however, that plants require certain wavelengths of light to do well, and some of those are in the blue end of the spectrum. The link given about the use of actinic in freshwater situations seems to me to be just one man's opinion, without much to backup the formation of this opinion in the way of scientific evidence. It is just something I'd file away in the memory banks to further research when I am curious enough and have the opportunity. Now, her situation has gone beyond a simple plant problem to one affecting her fish. What should have been recommended was to reduce the intensity of the light reaching the tank, search for and remove any possible sources of excess nutrients, and continue with normal maintenance of the tank with reference to water changes and filter cleanings. Reducing the amount of food allowed the inhabitant of the tank may have also been helpful, as this could be a source of excess nutrients. The addition of health issues with the fish has now complicated the situation. Moving the fish to a hospital tank for treatment would allow her to treat the problems separately from each other, rather than trying to deal with the fish problems in situ. I've been quiet since I have had very little time for the past several days to do much more than read messages, and, until yesterday had not even been able to keep up with that. After today, things should ease up a bit, I think. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. While I've been involved in all phases of maintenance/repair of homes, condos, apartments, etc., I've never dealt with a boiler. I envisioned it being a BIG hot water heater... and therefore needing the same kinds of maintenance. What are your thoughts on this problem that Amber has been having... if you've been following this thread. I know it's over 60 messages now and has been going on for several days.... maybe a week. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Lenny, I used to get hot water from a boiler arrangement. It was the so-called "instant" hot water heater. While there would be water in the unit, there was not nearly enough to allow sediment to collect as in a hot water tank heater. It is simply water sitting in pipes waiting to be called upon. Just like your cold water sits in pipes waiting to be used. I think you can safely rule out the hot water system in Amber's building as being the problem or part of the problem. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from several time periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet or use your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's have a screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. There are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and CCR's and join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards for the past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the rules and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" newsletter exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these other forums. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39916	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

Lenny, It is interesting how he says the t HSUS is in the forefront working with law enforcement in cases of animal cruelty. Makes me wonder why there have not been more actions against PeTA, ALF and ELF as well as the HSUS itself and some of the members of its BOD who are members of one or more of the organizations listed previously. I've just taken a tour of all the shelters run or supported by HSUS across the country-0. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. ;-) It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" (what other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.gues t.ht ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your default media player. http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli mb/HumaneSoc1.asx http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli mb/HumaneSoc2.asx So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" storms the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaug h-is -wrong/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39917	From: Harl Myers	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

And gets to be 3 inchs long - not the kind to add to a 6 gal tank... On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > Your emerald cory is not a cory catfish. It is a _Brochis splendens_. > Related, closely, to corys, but not a cory. Yes, I know, a technicality, but > just another example where a common name can get you into trouble. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of gail > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:23 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Small tank question > > From my experience with Corys, I have Emerald Corys. They dont get very big > and they have been wonderful. I was also told (by the fish store) that they > are very hearty creatures. They endure a lot, but my concern would be that > you don't vaccuum your gravel often. This type of habit can be bad for your > little cory's at the bottom of the tank. I do know that the local fish > stores (LFS) do often stock Panda Corys, Emerald Corys, & Albino Corys. > These are some good choices. Was there a specific one that caught your > interest? > > -gail > > --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Small tank question > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:09 AM > > Depends on the species. Some Corydoras stay very small... around 1", where > others grow to over 4", including the GIANT Cory which grows to whopping > 5"... I guess GIANT is a little of a stretch but that's one of the common > names. LOL > > There are hundreds of species of fish in this Genus - Corydoras. Most of > them need to be kept in shoals of six or more so for a 6G tank, you would > have to get one of the species that stays small. > > Here's some more reading... > > Dwarf Corydoras - http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras_ hastatus. > html > (this is not a completely bottom feeding fish though. It's actually one of > the Corydoras sp. that schools and swims mid-level so this may not be what > you want or need.) > > Some of the more common Cory's - http://fish. mongabay. com/corydoradina > e.htm > (1/2 way down on this page is the Salt & Pepper Catfish - Corydoras habrosus > - which also grows to only around 1" but if you read the profile on it, you > will see that Mongabay says they are sensitive to water chemistry issues so > the tank will have to be well maintained. Further down is the Pygmy > Corydoras - Corydoras pygmaeus - which also grows to around 1" and Mongabay > says they are more hardy.) > > A general profile on Cory's in general - > http://fish. mongabay. com/species/ Corydoras. html > > Sites like http://www.PlanetCa tfish.com and http://www.ScotCat. com will > also > have a LOT of information on the various Corydoras species. If you go to > the PlanetCatfish Cat-e-log page, then fill out the search field for "Genus > is - Corydoras", you will get a long list of profiles on the various > Corydoras that they have worked up profiles on. That search page also lists > the adult length of the fish so you could scroll down that long list looking > for any other Cory's that stay in the 1" range. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of N Taweel > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Small tank question > > Hi, > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry > for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the > gravel. There are no hiding places. > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and > don't get big. > > Noura > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39918	From: Troy	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

Who is Rush? T From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. ;-) It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" (what other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.guest.ht ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your default media player. http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc1.asx http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc2.asx So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" storms the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaugh-is -wrong/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39919	From: Byron	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

Only the dwarf species (Corydoras hastatus, C. pygmaeus or C. habrosus) since you should (= must) have a group of corys for them to be happy and therefore healthy. Corydoras is a shoaling species, and when kept singly they frequently become stressed and susceptible to problems like disease. Given a 6g tank, only a group of minimum 3 of the small corys would work. Second, they will eat fry if small enough. I had a pair of Rams spawn in my 90g once and it was the corys who managed to devour the school of fry as the female ram was shepherding them around the tank; she just couldn't fend off the corys once they became aware that a ready source of excellent food was within their grasp. And corys of course have scutes that protect them very well from such things. And third, they are not "cleaner" fish. Proper nutritional food must be provided for bottom feeders, as they will not receive sufficient from leftovers. And in any event, the tank must still receive partial water changes and the bottom syphoned, so in my view why bother with something that isn't going to be good in the first place. On a side note, one of the responses mentioned the former geneus Brochis; scientistss now believe this fish is actually a Corydoras and the genus Brochis has been removed. Corydoras brochis has been reassigned to a sub-group within Corydoras along with a few other corys like C. barbatus. This information was in TFH a few years back, but sorry, I can't remember which or specifics. I recall at the same time that it was being suggested that the dwarf corys mentioned above should be in a new genus, Microcorydoras I think was the name. Haven't had opportunity to track this down yet to see where it went. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi, > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. > > Noura > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39920	From: skwirrley2	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Fresh water clams

Hello everyone!!! I just got some yellow fresh water clams in... how should I take care of them? Do they need to be floated in the water like fish do to be aclimated? Thanks for your advise!!! Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39921	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

(NOTE - please read this post in it's entirety and DO NOT take one snip of what I might say out of context and try to say that I am supporting HSUS, as I DO NOT support them in any way shape or manner... I'm simply providing commentary. LOL) Correct \\Steve//. The HSUS, per se, does not involve itself in any shelters but due to it's expansion-by-acquisition mode for the past five years, it has acquired some other "animal protection" groups and some of those groups do/did run shelters. On the "About Us" page http://www.hsus.org/about_us/, the third paragraph says, "... We work to reduce suffering and to create meaningful social change for animals by advocating for sensible public policies, investigating cruelty and working to enforce existing laws, educating the public about animal issues, joining with corporations on behalf of animal-friendly policies, and conducting hands-on programs that make ours a more humane world. We are the lead disaster relief agency for animals, and we provide direct care for thousands of animals at our sanctuaries and rescue facilities, wildlife rehabilitation centers, and mobile veterinary clinics..." with some of these words/phrases being links to "sanctuaries", "direct care" and "wildlife rehab. centers" all being linked to http://www.fundforanimals.org/, which is one of the organizations that HSUS has merged with and/or acquired in recent years. That organization lists four "programs" that appear to be shelters/farms/rehab-centers/etc. but nothing like the Animal Shelters that exist in nearly every major city in America. The SPCA still seems to be the pre-eminent leader in running actual animal shelters. Of course, in that same paragraph copied about, the phrase, "mobile veterinary clinics" is linked to http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/rural_area_veterinary_services/ which comes up as a page-not-found, so I'm not sure if HSUS is just bloviating a little about their mobile vet. clinics. Yes... I strongly disagree with most of what the HSUS does which is why I can't imagine why Rush and other conservatives have started helping them with their "Faith Outreach" program... unless they have a plan to bring HSUS more mainstream and also infiltrating the Board with more mainstream type people... to steer it away from being a left-wing group. We'll just have to wait and see what Rush is up to! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT Lenny, It is interesting how he says the t HSUS is in the forefront working with law enforcement in cases of animal cruelty. Makes me wonder why there have not been more actions against PeTA, ALF and ELF as well as the HSUS itself and some of the members of its BOD who are members of one or more of the organizations listed previously. I've just taken a tour of all the shelters run or supported by HSUS across the country-0. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. ;-) It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" (what other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.gues t.ht ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your default media player. http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli mb/HumaneSoc1.asx http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli mb/HumaneSoc2.asx So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" storms the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaugh-is -wrong/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39922	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

OK Troy... it's spring-time... time to come out of your 20 year hibernation... or maybe you're new nickname can be Rumpelstiltskin. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpelstiltskin Herrrreeeeeeee'ssssssss RUSH! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html And Wikipedia's spin on Rush... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh, which may contain inaccuracies as Wiki editors will often add malicious information about conservatives and Republicans since it seems the libs have heavily infiltrated the Wikipedia editor member's section. Wikipedia actually admits this with it's disclaimer, about 1/4th down the page, "This article's Criticism or Controversy section(s) may mean the article does not present a neutral point of view of the subject. It may be better to integrate the material in such sections into the article as a whole." Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT Who is Rush? T From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. ;-) It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" (what other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.guest.ht ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your default media player. http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc1.asx http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/H umaneSoc2.asx So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" storms the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... <mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaugh-is -wrong/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39923	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams

I quarantine and slowly acclimate all new acquisitions, fish, critters, plants, etc. I hope you've done a lot of research on clams. They are not the panacea that some websites or retailers claim them to be. I do not know of any updated and accurate information on these since they are still relatively new or not so common in the aquarium trade. Here is The Krib's page about Clams. http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/clams.html I did a Google and found a couple of website names that I recognized as reliable. Here's a 3-page long thread on another reputable forum... http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157912 Here's a blog article from ThatFishPlace.com... http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatfishblog/2008/07/29/freshwater-clams-for-t he-ornamental-aquarium/ I've saved these three pages in my "To Read" folder for a later move to a Clams folder in my favorites folder. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skwirrley2 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Hello everyone!!! I just got some yellow fresh water clams in... how should I take care of them? Do they need to be floated in the water like fish do to be aclimated? Thanks for your advise!!! Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39924	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Puffer fish photo

Thought you all would enjoy the puffer fish photo I found on Stumble Upon. http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252Fporkfork%252F48806225%252F Janet http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39925	From: David Keymel	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo

That is an awesome photo. I fyou look down through the comments he shows a picture of some sheephead fish? with teeth... they look fake but he claims its real. i dunno. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Thought you all would enjoy the puffer fish photo I found on Stumble Upon. > > http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252Fporkfork%252F48806225%252F > > Janet > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39926	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo

Them teeth are real. Sheephead LOVE to eat crustaceans and use them big ol' teeth to crush the shells first. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Puffer fish photo That is an awesome photo. I fyou look down through the comments he shows a picture of some sheephead fish? with teeth... they look fake but he claims its real. i dunno. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Thought you all would enjoy the puffer fish photo I found on Stumble Upon. > > http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%25 2Fphotos%252Fporkfork%252F48806225%252F > > Janet > > http://www.howtoehow.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39927	From: J. Ford	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo

LOL.. .those teeth are photoshopped. Or PSP'd... they aren't real. You can see where the gum line is to keep going but turns into teeth. Then the teeth are not covered by the netting. They are also human teeth... and human tounge there behind. Use ctrl + the + symbol to zoom in. (ctrl + - to zoom back out) Janet http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39928	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams

Thank you Lenny for the info. I am setting up a 5 gallon tank with a sandy bottom to keep them in for a while. They will be by themselves. Sandi --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 12:58 PM I quarantine and slowly acclimate all new acquisitions, fish, critters, plants, etc. I hope you've done a lot of research on clams. They are not the panacea that some websites or retailers claim them to be. I do not know of any updated and accurate information on these since they are still relatively new or not so common in the aquarium trade. Here is The Krib's page about Clams. http://www.thekrib. com/Fish/ clams.html I did a Google and found a couple of website names that I recognized as reliable. Here's a 3-page long thread on another reputable forum... http://www.aquariac entral.com/ forums/showthrea d.php?t=157912 Here's a blog article from ThatFishPlace. com... http://blogs. thatpetplace. com/thatfishblog /2008/07/ 29/freshwater- clams-for- t he-ornamental- aquarium/ I've saved these three pages in my "To Read" folder for a later move to a Clams folder in my favorites folder. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of skwirrley2 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Hello everyone!!! I just got some yellow fresh water clams in... how should I take care of them? Do they need to be floated in the water like fish do to be aclimated? Thanks for your advise!!! Sandi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39929	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Puffer fish photo

I didn't examine the teeth in that photo as closely as you may have but I know from first hand experience (I've caught many Sheephead over the years) that Sheephead have a BIG set of bucktooth choppers. I did a Google Image search and yes, some of the pics look photoshopped but this one is what they really look like. Big ol' gnarly yellowish teeth... and fish breath to go with them knarly teeth. ;-) http://www.sptimes.com/2004/02/06/sheepshead/images/teeth2.jpg Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Puffer fish photo LOL.. .those teeth are photoshopped. Or PSP'd... they aren't real. You can see where the gum line is to keep going but turns into teeth. Then the teeth are not covered by the netting. They are also human teeth... and human tounge there behind. Use ctrl + the + symbol to zoom in. (ctrl + - to zoom back out) Janet http://www.howtoehow.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39930	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Does this answer any new questions about my water? Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than litmus paper. As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed for several years. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39931	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

I admit that I probably goofed on all those PWC's and shouldn't have done so many in a short time period, I was just trying to get rid of the green water (which is slowly coming back from the looks of it). I'm going to add more filter media to the xp4 and see if that'll help filter out the algae in the water, and I'll just clean the filter more often. Those seem safer than doing PWC's with my fish currently sick already. The glofish has it the worst, the rest of the fish are already looking better after 1 day with the meds. The glofish looks worse, I'm hoping he pulls through since he's my last one left :( I scoured the tank to make sure I found all the dead fish though, I didn't want to make things worse by having a fish rotting in a corner somewhere. I also replied to the water division and asked if they know what the levels of phosphorus are in our water, hopefully they have an answer for me. I really don't know if the actinic lights produce more phosphorus than the 10k daylight bulbs do or not, I've been only using them before and after the 10k lights go on and off to help gradually lower and raise the lighting to simulate dawn/dusk. I can already see a little big of algae floating in the water again, so I didn't get rid of it for good, whatever is going wrong is still there... Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39932	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams

Sandi, You need to go back and read them articles/forum threads. They specifically talk about putting these critters ONLY in an established tank and a BIG tank as they need LOTS of the phytoplankton and other microscopic organisms suspended in the water of an established tank. Even DrsFosterSmith.com care sheet on the clams state 10G per clam in an established tank and their care sheets are always on the low end of the real requirements for fish, etc. They will likely starve to death in a small newly set up tank by themselves as there will be nothing for them to eat. They are not like fish that can swim around looking for food.. they have to wait there with their feeding tube extended, sucking in water and then squirting it out, while filtering out any phytoplankton/micro-organisms that they can use as food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Thank you Lenny for the info. I am setting up a 5 gallon tank with a sandy bottom to keep them in for a while. They will be by themselves. Sandi --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 12:58 PM I quarantine and slowly acclimate all new acquisitions, fish, critters, plants, etc. I hope you've done a lot of research on clams. They are not the panacea that some websites or retailers claim them to be. I do not know of any updated and accurate information on these since they are still relatively new and/or not so common in the aquarium trade. Here is The Krib's page about Clams. http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/clams.html I did a Google and found a couple of website names that I recognized as reliable. Here's a 3-page long thread on another reputable forum... http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157912 Here's a blog article from ThatFishPlace. com... http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatfishblog/2008/07/29/freshwater-clams-for-t he-ornamental-aquarium/ I've saved these three pages in my "To Read" folder for a later move to a Clams folder in my favorites folder. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of skwirrley2 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Hello everyone!!! I just got some yellow fresh water clams in... how should I take care of them? Do they need to be floated in the water like fish do to be aclimated? Thanks for your advise!!! Sandi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39933	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time or if it peters out quickly. I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water cooler. LOL This kind of information from your water utility is something that EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. Does this answer any new questions about my water? Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than litmus paper. As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed for several years. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39934	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

The person that responded to me is the manager of ther water dept so I would assume he knows something. I also receive letters from the water dept when anything changes or just the usual yearly report that they send out. I ahvent paid much attention until this last year when I got my fish tanks set up again. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to >disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer >up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only >coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline >test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the >numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which brand), the >numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water >softening system??? > >I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them in-depth >discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda >Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some searching in the group's >messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash works and whether it maintains >it's buffering capacity for a long time or if it peters out quickly. > >I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is >usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine >but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you >actually knows what they are talking about and are not just answering based >on what they think or heard around the water cooler. LOL > >This kind of information from your water utility is something that EVERY >fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with regular baseline >testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is happening to the water >once it gets into our tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once >a year, that I've started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward >the previous year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually >the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water >changes. > >Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > >Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite >(bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding >water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called >"free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 parts >per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it >as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same concentration of >chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, >most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium >bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium >supplies. > >Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for >corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs >about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water >to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine >the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for >adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done >with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If >you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have >controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU >and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate >than litmus paper. > >As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our potable >water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed >for several years. > > >Amber > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39935	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

I think Rush and his facist followers would support animal sacrifice if it was done as a faith outreach program. Eric On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny < GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > (NOTE - please read this post in it's entirety and DO NOT take one snip of > what I might say out of context and try to say that I am supporting HSUS, > as > I DO NOT support them in any way shape or manner... I'm simply providing > commentary. LOL) > > Correct \\Steve//. The HSUS, per se, does not involve itself in any > shelters but due to it's expansion-by-acquisition mode for the past five > years, it has acquired some other "animal protection" groups and some of > those groups do/did run shelters. > > On the "About Us" page http://www.hsus.org/about_us/, the third paragraph > says, "... We work to reduce suffering and to create meaningful social > change for animals by advocating for sensible public policies, > investigating > cruelty and working to enforce existing laws, educating the public about > animal issues, joining with corporations on behalf of animal-friendly > policies, and conducting hands-on programs that make ours a more humane > world. We are the lead disaster relief agency for animals, and we provide > direct care for thousands of animals at our sanctuaries and rescue > facilities, wildlife rehabilitation centers, and mobile veterinary > clinics..." with some of these words/phrases being links to "sanctuaries", > "direct care" and "wildlife rehab. centers" all being linked to > http://www.fundforanimals.org/, which is one of the organizations that > HSUS > has merged with and/or acquired in recent years. That organization lists > four "programs" that appear to be shelters/farms/rehab-centers/etc. but > nothing like the Animal Shelters that exist in nearly every major city in > America. The SPCA still seems to be the pre-eminent leader in running > actual animal shelters. Of course, in that same paragraph copied about, the > phrase, "mobile veterinary clinics" is linked to > http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/rural_area_veterinary_services/ which comes > up as a page-not-found, so I'm not sure if HSUS is just bloviating a little > about their mobile vet. clinics. > > Yes... I strongly disagree with most of what the HSUS does which is why I > can't imagine why Rush and other conservatives have started helping them > with their "Faith Outreach" program... unless they have a plan to bring > HSUS > more mainstream and also infiltrating the Board with more mainstream type > people... to steer it away from being a left-wing group. > > We'll just have to wait and see what Rush is up to! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh > intersting article may be OT > > Lenny, > > It is interesting how he says the t HSUS is in the forefront working with > law enforcement in cases of animal cruelty. Makes me wonder why there have > not been more actions against PeTA, ALF and ELF as well as the HSUS itself > and some of the members of its BOD who are members of one or more of the > organizations listed previously. I've just taken a tour of all the shelters > run or supported by HSUS across the country-0. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:38 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh > intersting article may be OT > > I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. > While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the > HSUS, > and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front for an > anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's going to be some > "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet but when it comes to > things that Rush says or does concerning politics or other issues/causes, > he > usually has a plan going on behind the scenes for any outrageous things he > may say or do. I wouldn't put it past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to > take over the Board of Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich > Conservatives... maybe with Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO > of the HSUS ... I just wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join > them. > ;-) > > It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has been > mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged the question > when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He also has the HSUS > advertising on his website (and you know that must be driving the left > nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" > (what > other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site for any > mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his website is this > April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... > > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.gues > t.ht > ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: One > more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is focused on > the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of the dogs, and > that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult for Vick to > overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm reading some of these > Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the first thing he's going to > have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, then a big check to the Humane > Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? > I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as the > league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big concern > is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a bunch of human > debris he's running around with, and there's gambling going on here, and if > there's gambling going on here, was there gambling going on other things > where Vick was involved?..." > > I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence for > the > "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, they are > carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that the HSUS has > started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and that type of > animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and religious leaders > are also involved in backing this program. > > Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or your > default media player. > > http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli > mb/HumaneSoc1.asx > > http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushli > mb/HumaneSoc2.asx > > So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, > mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just be a > concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the HSUS with > "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR zealots who are > currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS becomes more mainstream, > then they may just become an OK organization... and at that time, they'll > likely temper their anti-pets support. > > I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one day > saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" > storms > the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL > > I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the secret > plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post so you will > be able to find it when the secret plan is finally revealed... to see how > Right I might be. ;-) > > This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and > also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On > Behalf Of joesbirds@... <joesbirds%40aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh > intersting article may be OT > > _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ > ( > http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbaugh-is > -wrong/) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39936	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Re-read my reply and answer other questions please. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. The person that responded to me is the manager of ther water dept so I would assume he knows something. I also receive letters from the water dept when anything changes or just the usual yearly report that they send out. I ahvent paid much attention until this last year when I got my fish tanks set up again. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to >disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer >up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only >coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline >test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the >numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which brand), the >numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water >softening system??? > >I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them in-depth >discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda >Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some searching in the group's >messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash works and whether it maintains >it's buffering capacity for a long time or if it peters out quickly. > >I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is >usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine >but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you >actually knows what they are talking about and are not just answering based >on what they think or heard around the water cooler. LOL > >This kind of information from your water utility is something that EVERY >fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with regular baseline >testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is happening to the water >once it gets into our tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once >a year, that I've started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward >the previous year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually >the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water >changes. > >Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > >Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite >(bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding >water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called >"free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 parts >per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it >as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same concentration of >chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, >most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium >bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium >supplies. > >Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for >corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs >about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water >to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine >the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for >adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done >with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If >you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have >controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU >and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate >than litmus paper. > >As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our potable >water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed >for several years. > > >Amber > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39937	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

I was working didn't have time. I am pretty certain that they don't do anything to soften our water at the condo as that would require money that they have never had ;). But I will see if I can get ahold of someone who might know. I was busy last night and forgot to start my baseline testing for both hot and cold water I will get those to you soon. Will see what I can find on the buffering capacity of my water. I do know that its really soft almost doesn't register on the tests. That's why I add coral to my tanks. Will get back to you after work. Amber "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: >Re-read my reply and answer other questions please. ;-) > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:47 PM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >water changes. > >The person that responded to me is the manager of ther water dept so I would >assume he knows something. I also receive letters from the water dept when >anything changes or just the usual yearly report that they send out. I >ahvent paid much attention until this last year when I got my fish tanks set >up again. > >Amber > >"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > >>OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to >>disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer >>up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only >>coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline >>test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the >>numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which brand), the >>numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water >>softening system??? > >I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we >were having them in-depth >discussions about Baking Soda (sodium >bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda >Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want >to do some searching in the group's >messages or just Googling about how >Soda Ash works and whether it maintains >it's buffering capacity for a long >time or if it peters out quickly. > >I'm surprised they use "sodium >hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is >usually 10% sodium >hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine >but I guess they >have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you >actually knows >what they are talking about and are not just answering based >on what they >think or heard around the water cooler. LOL > >This kind of information from >your water utility is something that EVERY >fish keeper should get on a >regular basis and combined with regular baseline >testing, will go a long >way in "learning" what is happening to the water >once it gets into our >tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once >a year, that I've >started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward >the previous >year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually >the answer >is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish >Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in >above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and >also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: >AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf >Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM >To: >AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local >water and possibility of water >changes. > >Does this answer any new >questions about my water? > > >Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected >with sodium hypochlorite >(bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated >chlorine before adding >water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated >chlorine (also called >"free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be >about 0.4 to 0.8 parts >per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium >literature may also describe it >as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which >calculates to be the same concentration of >chlorine, it is more of a >chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, >most people use some sort >of a proprietary compound containing sodium >bisulfite or some other >anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium >supplies. > >Note also >that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for >corrosion >control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs >about 7.8 to >8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water >to your >tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine >the >optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for >>adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be >done >with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. >If >you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have >>controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU >>and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more >accurate >than litmus paper. > >As far as your question inquiring if KPU >has changed anything in our potable >water in the last couple of weeks, the >answer is no. Nothing has changed >for several years. > > >Amber > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39938	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting articl

Nahhh... not for Faith Outreach... but maybe for a good meal! Although I usually don't slaughter them myself, I pay my butcher. He does a better job. ;-) So, Eric, are you a member of HSUS or do you support the HSUS' efforts to eventually make all hunting and pet ownership illegal... or severely regulated... or just some of their other so-called AR efforts? It must really irk members of HSUS, that they are letting Rush and other conservatives and religious leaders into their hallowed halls. ;-) Seriously, HSUS is probably like any other politician or self-serving political group... it's all about the money and nothing to do with ethics or morals... or sometimes even the law. I might have to go fry me a Cow-burger now.... who ever made up Ham-burger anyhow? LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Roberts Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh intersting article may be OT I think Rush and his facist followers would support animal sacrifice if it was done as a faith outreach program. Eric On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny < GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > (NOTE - please read this post in it's entirety and DO NOT take one > snip of what I might say out of context and try to say that I am > supporting HSUS, as I DO NOT support them in any way shape or > manner... I'm simply providing commentary. LOL) > > Correct \\Steve//. The HSUS, per se, does not involve itself in any > shelters but due to it's expansion-by-acquisition mode for the past > five years, it has acquired some other "animal protection" groups and > some of those groups do/did run shelters. > > On the "About Us" page http://www.hsus.org/about_us/, the third > paragraph says, "... We work to reduce suffering and to create > meaningful social change for animals by advocating for sensible public > policies, investigating cruelty and working to enforce existing laws, > educating the public about animal issues, joining with corporations on > behalf of animal-friendly policies, and conducting hands-on programs > that make ours a more humane world. We are the lead disaster relief > agency for animals, and we provide direct care for thousands of > animals at our sanctuaries and rescue facilities, wildlife > rehabilitation centers, and mobile veterinary clinics..." with some of > these words/phrases being links to "sanctuaries", "direct care" and > "wildlife rehab. centers" all being linked to > http://www.fundforanimals.org/, which is one of the organizations that > HSUS has merged with and/or acquired in recent years. That > organization lists four "programs" that appear to be > shelters/farms/rehab-centers/etc. but nothing like the Animal Shelters > that exist in nearly every major city in America. The SPCA still seems > to be the pre-eminent leader in running actual animal shelters. Of > course, in that same paragraph copied about, the phrase, "mobile > veterinary clinics" is linked to > http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/rural_area_veterinary_services/ which > comes up as a page-not-found, so I'm not sure if HSUS is just > bloviating a little about their mobile vet. clinics. > > Yes... I strongly disagree with most of what the HSUS does which is > why I can't imagine why Rush and other conservatives have started > helping them with their "Faith Outreach" program... unless they have a > plan to bring HSUS more mainstream and also infiltrating the Board > with more mainstream type people... to steer it away from being a > left-wing group. > > We'll just have to wait and see what Rush is up to! > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush > Limbagh intersting article may be OT > > Lenny, > > It is interesting how he says the t HSUS is in the forefront working > with law enforcement in cases of animal cruelty. Makes me wonder why > there have not been more actions against PeTA, ALF and ELF as well as > the HSUS itself and some of the members of its BOD who are members of > one or more of the organizations listed previously. I've just taken a > tour of all the shelters run or supported by HSUS across the country-0. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:38 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush > Limbagh intersting article may be OT > > I'm still waiting for the real reason that Rush is doing these two spots. > While it's always possible that Rush and many others got conned by the > HSUS, and did not realize that the HSUS, currently is merely a front > for an anti-human rights organization, but I really thing there's > going to be some "method to his madness". I don't know what it is yet > but when it comes to things that Rush says or does concerning politics > or other issues/causes, he usually has a plan going on behind the > scenes for any outrageous things he may say or do. I wouldn't put it > past Rush to be planning a coup d'etat to take over the Board of > Directors of the HSUS with a bunch of rich Conservatives... maybe with > Vice-President Cheney as the new gun-toting CEO of the HSUS ... I just > wish I was a rich Conservative too and I'd join them. > ;-) > > It's not like Rush to be shy or quiet on an issue and so far, he has > been mum about these two spots that he did for HSUS. He even dodged > the question when Greta Van Susteren asked him about it recently. He > also has the HSUS advertising on his website (and you know that must > be driving the left nuts)... at least the HSUS ad showed up in his "Obscene Profit Center" > (what > other sites might call Google Ads). I just did a search of his site > for any mention of "Humane Society" and the only mention on his > website is this April 2007 transcript about the Michael Vick case... > > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082107/content/01125108.gu > es > t.ht > ml where in the second-from-the-bottom paragraph, he says, "...RUSH: > One more thing on this Michael Vick situation. I think everybody is > focused on the dogs and the cruel, sadistic, torturous treatment of > the dogs, and that's bad enough, and that's going to be very difficult > for Vick to overcome with the public in terms of his image. I'm > reading some of these Drive-By holier-than-thou columnists who say the > first thing he's going to have to do is send a big check to the ASPCA, > then a big check to the Humane Society and become a spokesman for them. Come on! Who's going to buy that? > I know we're a forgiving country, that's not the big deal. As far as > the league is concerned, the NFL is concerned, what I think their big > concern is, who are these guys that Vick was running with? This is a > bunch of human debris he's running around with, and there's gambling > going on here, and if there's gambling going on here, was there > gambling going on other things where Vick was involved?..." > > I'm still waiting for when Rush finally decides to break his silence > for the "real" reasons for his two ads. And if you listen to the ads, > they are carefully crafted to only cover two things... the fact that > the HSUS has started a Faith Outreach Program against dog-fighting and > that type of animal cruelty and that other well-known Christian's and > religious leaders are also involved in backing this program. > > Here are the two ads... which will open in Windows Media Player or > your default media player. > > http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rush > li > mb/HumaneSoc1.asx > > http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rush > li > mb/HumaneSoc2.asx > > So... either all of these other highly respected religious leaders, > mentioned in the ads, also got duped by the HSUS or there might just > be a concerted effort by "The Right" to "infiltrate" the Board of the > HSUS with "normal Americans", rather than just the left-wing AR > zealots who are currently on the Board. If this happens and HSUS > becomes more mainstream, then they may just become an OK > organization... and at that time, they'll likely temper their anti-pets support. > > I envision Rush Limbaugh standing outside of the HSUS headquarters one > day saying "Mr. Pacelle-bachev... tear down these walls!" as "The Right" > storms > the walls to get rid of the commie-libs inside the walls. LOL > > I hope my astute and savvy look at this subject is not exposing the > secret plan... but we'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this post > so you will be able to find it when the secret plan is finally > revealed... to see how Right I might be. ;-) > > This has been an editorial opinion. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>(Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of joesbirds@... <joesbirds%40aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: [AquaticLife] Sportsmen riled about HSUS ads by Rush Limbagh > intersting article may be OT > > _Click here: Washington Times - Gun owners attack Rush Limbaugh_ ( > http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/hunters-now-say-limbau > gh-is > -wrong/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39939	From: sandi turner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Fresh water clams

I realize this. That is why I am going to exchange some of the sand with one of the tanks that has been set up for a long time already. I will also be using some of the water from that tank as I need to do a pwc in that tank anyway. This is only a temporary setup until I know they are going to be all right and is not carrying any diseases that would hurt my fish. Then they will be moved to  the other tanks. (I currently have a 20h and 2 10 gal tanks set up) I have 2 20 gallon tanks and a 55 gallon tank to set up but can't put them in those as they are not set up yet. I also will be feeding them invertibrate food till I can put them in my established tanks.   Sandi --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:20 PM Sandi, You need to go back and read them articles/forum threads. They specifically talk about putting these critters ONLY in an established tank and a BIG tank as they need LOTS of the phytoplankton and other microscopic organisms suspended in the water of an established tank. Even DrsFosterSmith. com care sheet on the clams state 10G per clam in an established tank and their care sheets are always on the low end of the real requirements for fish, etc. They will likely starve to death in a small newly set up tank by themselves as there will be nothing for them to eat. They are not like fish that can swim around looking for food.. they have to wait there with their feeding tube extended, sucking in water and then squirting it out, while filtering out any phytoplankton/ micro-organisms that they can use as food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of sandi turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:22 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Thank you Lenny for the info. I am setting up a 5 gallon tank with a sandy bottom to keep them in for a while. They will be by themselves. Sandi --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 12:58 PM I quarantine and slowly acclimate all new acquisitions, fish, critters, plants, etc. I hope you've done a lot of research on clams. They are not the panacea that some websites or retailers claim them to be. I do not know of any updated and accurate information on these since they are still relatively new and/or not so common in the aquarium trade. Here is The Krib's page about Clams. http://www.thekrib. com/Fish/ clams.html I did a Google and found a couple of website names that I recognized as reliable. Here's a 3-page long thread on another reputable forum... http://www.aquariac entral.com/ forums/showthrea d.php?t=157912 Here's a blog article from ThatFishPlace. com... http://blogs. thatpetplace. com/thatfishblog /2008/07/ 29/freshwater- clams-for- t he-ornamental- aquarium/ I've saved these three pages in my "To Read" folder for a later move to a Clams folder in my favorites folder. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of skwirrley2 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fresh water clams Hello everyone!!! I just got some yellow fresh water clams in... how should I take care of them? Do they need to be floated in the water like fish do to be aclimated? Thanks for your advise!!! Sandi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39940	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Okay, an update here, the water company got back to me, there are no phosphates being added to our water supply, so only what is in there naturally from our water coming from a man made lake. He didn't say they test for phosphates, so I suppose if I want to know what my tank phosphates are at I will have to get yet another test kit ;) LOL. Master test kits just aren't masterful enough for me ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I was working didn't have time. > I am pretty certain that they don't do anything to soften our water at > the condo as that would require money that they have never had ;). But > I will see if I can get ahold of someone who might know. > > I was busy last night and forgot to start my baseline testing for both > hot and cold water I will get those to you soon. > > Will see what I can find on the buffering capacity of my water. I do > know that its really soft almost doesn't register on the tests. That's > why I add coral to my tanks. > > Will get back to you after work. > > Amber > > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >Re-read my reply and answer other questions please. ;-) > > > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:47 PM > >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > >water changes. > > > >The person that responded to me is the manager of ther water dept so > I would > >assume he knows something. I also receive letters from the water dept > when > >anything changes or just the usual yearly report that they send out. I > >ahvent paid much attention until this last year when I got my fish > tanks set > >up again. > > > >Amber > > > >"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >>OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > >>disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > buffer > >>up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is > only > >>coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour > baseline > >>test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the > >>numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which > brand), the > >>numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a > water > >>softening system??? > >I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group > and we > >were having them in-depth >discussions about Baking Soda (sodium > >bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda >Ash (sodium carbonate) so you > may want > >to do some searching in the group's >messages or just Googling about how > >Soda Ash works and whether it maintains >it's buffering capacity for > a long > >time or if it peters out quickly. > >I'm surprised they use "sodium > >hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is >usually 10% sodium > >hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine >but I guess > they > >have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you >actually > knows > >what they are talking about and are not just answering based >on what > they > >think or heard around the water cooler. LOL > >This kind of > information from > >your water utility is something that EVERY >fish keeper should get on a > >regular basis and combined with regular baseline >testing, will go a > long > >way in "learning" what is happening to the water >once it gets into our > >tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once >a year, that I've > >started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward >the previous > >year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually >the > answer > >is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish > >Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >(Links to any articles referenced in > >above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under > Labels and > >also under Archives by Year, Month) > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: > >AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >Behalf > >Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM >To: > >AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > >water and possibility of water >changes. > >Does this answer any new > >questions about my water? > > >Amber: The water in Ketchikan is > disinfected > >with sodium hypochlorite >(bleach) and you need to eliminate the > uncreated > >chlorine before adding >water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated > >chlorine (also called >"free" or "residual") coming out of your tap > will be > >about 0.4 to 0.8 parts >per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium > >literature may also describe it >as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which > >calculates to be the same concentration of >chlorine, it is more of a > >chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, >most people use some > sort > >of a proprietary compound containing sodium >bisulfite or some other > >anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium >supplies. > >Note also > >that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for >corrosion > >control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs >about > 7.8 to > >8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water >to your > >tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine >the > >optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for > >>adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be > >done >with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very > accurate. > >If >you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have > >>controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample > to KPU > >>and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more > >accurate >than litmus paper. > >As far as your question inquiring if KPU > >has changed anything in our potable >water in the last couple of > weeks, the > >answer is no. Nothing has changed >for several years. > > >Amber > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39941	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: FW: HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owners Speak Out

-----Original Message----- From: Patti Strand [mailto:naia@...] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:07 PM To: Leonard Vasbinder Subject: HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owners Speak Out H.R. 669 Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. Take Action! Bans most nonnative species kept as pets! April 29, 2009 Update on HR 669 On Thursday April 23, The House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife, chaired by Representative Bordallo of Guam, met to hear presentations on HR 669. Speakers were allowed five minutes each and also submitted formal reports for the Congressional Record. Only selected speakers were allowed to present information, including a USFWS official, a state official from Arizona, a biologist from Notre Dame, a fish farmer, and Marshall Meyers of the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council who presented information for NAIA and many other organizations. Over seventy organizations are on record as responding against HR 669, representing bird, mammal, fish, and reptile interests. Over 50,000 individual emails and faxes were submitted against HR 669. NAIA supporters sent a flood of messages through our Capwiz lobbying tool -- literally thousands -- to Representatives prior to the hearing. Patti Strand, NAIA National Director, submitted a two page letter in opposition to the bill, which was presented the day of the hearing. Committee members were quite surprised at the strong interest in this bill and the responses from their constitutents. Thank you for taking action and making a difference! Speakers indicated the bill needs more work. Representative Bordallo indicated that the hearing would be open for ten days to receive additional input. Since this bill was presented during the last session of Congress, and has strong support from Defenders of Wildlife, Nature Conservancy, Union of Concerned Scientists and the HSUS, it is expected that changes will be made in the bill to make it more palatable to the public. This does not mean the bill will be acceptable to those with interests in nonnative species. In one internet media blog, Michael Markarian, HSUS VP, reportedly stated the following: "First, the bill is aimed at exotic wildlife, not domestic household pets. It includes a specific exemption for cats, dogs, rabbits, goldfish, and horses. And the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is allowed to add more exempted species as it sees fit. The HSUS and HSLF are specifically requesting that hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs, and ferrets be added to the exempted list." This is an indication that there will be attempts to make the bill appear non threatening to owners and breeds of nonnative species. However, while we remain hopeful, we do not expect any positive changes in this bill due to the agenda of those making the changes. We recommend that individuals continue to contact their Representatives and express their concerns about interstate transport of their animals, the ability to sell or give away their animals, and the ability to breed their animals, all of which would be prohibited under HR 669. As further changes occur, we will update this message. HR 669 bans import, export, transport, breeding, sale or barter of ALL nonnative species unless they are placed on an Approved List established by the USFWS after extensive study. This law would affect most pet owners of non native species. Most pet birds, ornamental aquarium fish, reptiles and small pet mammals are nonnative species and would be ILLEGAL under this act, unless placed on the Approved List! Any company manufacturing or selling product for these pet species would be affected by this act. This means hundreds of thousands of pet birds and animals, reptiles and fish would be affected Thousands of small businesses involved in any aspect of the pet industry, from breeding, selling and transporting animals to manufacturing and selling products for animals, such as foods, toys, and equipment. HR 669 was introduced by Del Madeleine Bordallo of Guam, the Chair of the Subcommittee of Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife of the House Natural Resources Committee with the purpose of preventing the import of nonnative species which might be harmful to humans and to the environment or a nuisance to agriculture or horticulture. Click here to read HR 669. <http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/NTLYKKJKNU/3280170986> Most of the nonnative invasive species introduced into the U.S mainland or islands were inadvertently introduced through ballast water in ships or as stowaways in cargo shipments (which is how the Brown Tree Snake entered Guam). Most nonnative species that are causing problems in the US mainland were NOT imported animals; domestic cats gone feral are likely the most common exception. At the present time, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service under the Lacey Act is required to demonstrate that a nonnative species is injurious or harmful to humans or the environment before it can be prohibited. HR 669 would require that nonnative species are prohibited until the USFWS proves that the nonnative species is not a threat. Such a process would be extensive, costly, take a lot of time. It would waste taxpayer money since it would apply to many thousands of nonnative species which have historically existed as pets in the US and have not been demonstrated to be a threat to humans or the economy or the environment. HR 669 requires the USFWS to do a risk assessment on each species and then place it on an Approved or Unapproved list. Since the timeline, staff and financial resources for doing this is in short supply, the USFWS will be unable to accomplish the task for most nonnative species already in homes. All species that did not appear on the Approved list would be banned: import, export, transport, barter and breeding would not be allowed. There are no exceptions for pet owners! Most of the nonnative species kept as pets in the US have never posed a problem to humans or the environment. Yet all these species would have to be evaluated and approved or they would be ILLEGAL to possess, breed, import, export, transport, and barter or sell! While it is important to protect our environment and analyze whether or not a specific species poses a risk, this bill as presently written does not provide a realistic and achievable solution to the problem. Enhancing and enforcing present regulations under the Lacey Act would be more cost effective and save time and taxpayer dollars while protecting our environment and economy. PLEASE CONTACT THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and voice your opinion using the lobbying tool below where you can send your opinion and include talking points provided if you wish. Also use faxes and phone calls to YOUR Congressperson, and where possible, visit their local office. Personal face-to-face contact is very effective. If you received this email from a friend, be sure to sign up HERE <http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/FXDDKKJKNV/3280170986> to receive NAIA Trust alerts in the future about important animal legislation in your state -- and nationally. JOIN OUR 18 YEAR MOVEMENT DONATE TO NAIA TRUST TODAY! <http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/AUVNKKJKNW/3280170986> Copyright C 2008. National Animal Interest Alliance Trust. All Rights Reserved. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39942	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Monster catfish

Well it turns out that the monster catfish didn't jump out of the tank afterall, I caught sight of him this evening. He has been hiding inside of a large konch shell, I didn't even think there was enough room for him in there but he found it. I'm going to scoop him out in the near future and see if they will trade me for something else at the LFS, might wait until after I get my 55 gallon in order though. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39943	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish

Have you had any other fish go missing in the 125G? I wonder if he's been doing a little nocturnal predator-ing (I know.. it's not a word.. lol)? Too bad for your cats though. I bet they'd love some fresh fish. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Monster catfish Well it turns out that the monster catfish didn't jump out of the tank afterall, I caught sight of him this evening. He has been hiding inside of a large konch shell, I didn't even think there was enough room for him in there but he found it. I'm going to scoop him out in the near future and see if they will trade me for something else at the LFS, might wait until after I get my 55 gallon in order though. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39944	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish

I've had some male guppy's go up missing, I figured it was the angel fish with their super aggressiveness, it may just be that monster cat fish, but the guppy's have been found later... I would assume that if he was eating them I wouldn't find anything left over ;) Who knows... Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Have you had any other fish go missing in the 125G? I wonder if he's been > doing a little nocturnal predator-ing (I know.. it's not a word.. > lol)? Too > bad for your cats though. I bet they'd love some fresh fish. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:27 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Monster catfish > > Well it turns out that the monster catfish didn't jump out of the tank > afterall, I caught sight of him this evening. He has been hiding > inside of a > large konch shell, I didn't even think there was enough room for him in > there but he found it. I'm going to scoop him out in the near future > and see > if they will trade me for something else at the LFS, might wait until > after > I get my 55 gallon in order though. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39945	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

www.fishbase.org is probably the most reliable and current source of scientific fish information on the web, and _Brochis_ spp. Are still listed as _Brochis_ as the genus there, with no mention of _Corydoras_ as a synonym. If the article appeared in TFH, it was probably just that, an article stating someone's opinion, and not peer reviewed, which is an important step in recognition of a name change. Perhaps the author could not get it reviewed, or was shut down in the review, who knows. I do not know what it is that differentiates _Brochis_ from _Corydoras_. Externally, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the two genus, internally, it may be another story. If I have some more time while this is relatively fresh in my mind, I'll look into it further, but the way things are going in my life lately, it is not likely to happen. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Byron Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small tank question Only the dwarf species (Corydoras hastatus, C. pygmaeus or C. habrosus) since you should (= must) have a group of corys for them to be happy and therefore healthy. Corydoras is a shoaling species, and when kept singly they frequently become stressed and susceptible to problems like disease. Given a 6g tank, only a group of minimum 3 of the small corys would work. Second, they will eat fry if small enough. I had a pair of Rams spawn in my 90g once and it was the corys who managed to devour the school of fry as the female ram was shepherding them around the tank; she just couldn't fend off the corys once they became aware that a ready source of excellent food was within their grasp. And corys of course have scutes that protect them very well from such things. And third, they are not "cleaner" fish. Proper nutritional food must be provided for bottom feeders, as they will not receive sufficient from leftovers. And in any event, the tank must still receive partial water changes and the bottom syphoned, so in my view why bother with something that isn't going to be good in the first place. On a side note, one of the responses mentioned the former geneus Brochis; scientistss now believe this fish is actually a Corydoras and the genus Brochis has been removed. Corydoras brochis has been reassigned to a sub-group within Corydoras along with a few other corys like C. barbatus. This information was in TFH a few years back, but sorry, I can't remember which or specifics. I recall at the same time that it was being suggested that the dwarf corys mentioned above should be in a new genus, Microcorydoras I think was the name. Haven't had opportunity to track this down yet to see where it went. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi, > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. > > Noura > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39946	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

\\Steve//, This article/profile on Practical Fishkeeping magazine discusses this. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id= 279 Among all of the other info on this profile, it states: "Scientific name: Brochis splendens... ...Notes: This is an excellent community fish for the beginner. In good water conditions it develops an attractive metallic blue or emerald green shine, depending on the way it catches the light. It's easy to mistake this fish for the similar Corydoras aeneus but the differences are apparent if the fish are next to each other. B. splendens has a more pointed head, a greener colour, and is deeper in body. Another noticeable difference is that Brochis have more rays on the dorsal fin. Corydoras have 6-8 dorsal rays while Brochis have 10-18 depending on the species. However, a recent study has lumped the Brochis species back into synonymy with Corydoras. Alternative species: There are two other Brochis species. The Giant brochis, B. britskii is at 10cm/4", the largest of the three species, with 15-18 dorsal fin rays. The Hognosed brochis, B. multiradiatus, has 17 rays, compared with B. splendens' 11. As the common name suggests, it also has a much longer snout than the other two. These tend to be quite fragile when newly imported, being susceptible to bacterial infections. They also cost slightly more to buy with prices starting at the 10 mark... Taxonomy: A study undertaken by Britto in 2004 suggested moving Brochis into Corydoras as it was considered to be a synonym. However, the change has not been widely accepted among experts in the fishkeeping community. See this interesting debate http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5004&postdays=0&postorder =asc&start=0 on the Planet Catfish website for more information. This article was first published in 2004, shortly after the publication of Britto's paper. It has subsequently been updated to take into account the response to the work by the fishkeeping community." This thread on Planet Catfish also talks about the differences... http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20147&start=0 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Small tank question www.fishbase.org is probably the most reliable and current source of scientific fish information on the web, and _Brochis_ spp. Are still listed as _Brochis_ as the genus there, with no mention of _Corydoras_ as a synonym. If the article appeared in TFH, it was probably just that, an article stating someone's opinion, and not peer reviewed, which is an important step in recognition of a name change. Perhaps the author could not get it reviewed, or was shut down in the review, who knows. I do not know what it is that differentiates _Brochis_ from _Corydoras_. Externally, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the two genus, internally, it may be another story. If I have some more time while this is relatively fresh in my mind, I'll look into it further, but the way things are going in my life lately, it is not likely to happen. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Byron Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small tank question Only the dwarf species (Corydoras hastatus, C. pygmaeus or C. habrosus) since you should (= must) have a group of corys for them to be happy and therefore healthy. Corydoras is a shoaling species, and when kept singly they frequently become stressed and susceptible to problems like disease. Given a 6g tank, only a group of minimum 3 of the small corys would work. Second, they will eat fry if small enough. I had a pair of Rams spawn in my 90g once and it was the corys who managed to devour the school of fry as the female ram was shepherding them around the tank; she just couldn't fend off the corys once they became aware that a ready source of excellent food was within their grasp. And corys of course have scutes that protect them very well from such things. And third, they are not "cleaner" fish. Proper nutritional food must be provided for bottom feeders, as they will not receive sufficient from leftovers. And in any event, the tank must still receive partial water changes and the bottom syphoned, so in my view why bother with something that isn't going to be good in the first place. On a side note, one of the responses mentioned the former geneus Brochis; scientistss now believe this fish is actually a Corydoras and the genus Brochis has been removed. Corydoras brochis has been reassigned to a sub-group within Corydoras along with a few other corys like C. barbatus. This information was in TFH a few years back, but sorry, I can't remember which or specifics. I recall at the same time that it was being suggested that the dwarf corys mentioned above should be in a new genus, Microcorydoras I think was the name. Haven't had opportunity to track this down yet to see where it went. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Hi, > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the gravel. There are no hiding places. > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and don't get big. > > Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39947	From: red-eye	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

Is the boiler gas or electric? I assume natural gas, if so strainers are in place, so no worries there. If it was powered with electricity, it would be expensive , but clean as well. If it were oil then you would have a different story, in which case the company providing the delivery of the oil would do regular maintenance, at least that was my experience with oil. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. While I've been involved in all phases of maintenance/repair of homes, condos, apartments, etc., I've never dealt with a boiler. I envisioned it being a BIG hot water heater... and therefore needing the same kinds of maintenance. What are your thoughts on this problem that Amber has been having... if you've been following this thread. I know it's over 60 messages now and has been going on for several days.... maybe a week. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon Lenny, I used to get hot water from a boiler arrangement. It was the so-called "instant" hot water heater. While there would be water in the unit, there was not nearly enough to allow sediment to collect as in a hot water tank heater. It is simply water sitting in pipes waiting to be called upon. Just like your cold water sits in pipes waiting to be used. I think you can safely rule out the hot water system in Amber's building as being the problem or part of the problem. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:31 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from several time periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet or use your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's have a screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. There are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and CCR's and join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards for the past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the rules and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" newsletter exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these other forums. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I did email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall see what they say. When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between after I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that lunch time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the fish? Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 gallon and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I have left in the tank alive and kicking. 1 glofish 4 purple passion danio's 6 albino aeneus cory's and 4 bleeding heart tetra's Everything else died. I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting to him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm hoping it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > dose (or less) of M/P. > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > I'm just > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > within 1-2F of temperature? > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > possibly sick. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Question: > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and foraging. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > which is only 0.15 > > which > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > the > > tap, > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > testing is important. > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > recent > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., etc.... > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is power! > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39948	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Algae bloom in my 55 gallon

It is an oil boiler. Thanks, Amber red-eye wrote: > > > Is the boiler gas or electric? I assume natural gas, if so strainers > are in > place, so no worries there. > > If it was powered with electricity, it would be expensive , but clean as > well. > > If it were oil then you would have a different story, in which case the > company providing the delivery of the oil would do regular maintenance, at > least that was my experience with oil. > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:44 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > OK. While I've been involved in all phases of maintenance/repair of homes, > condos, apartments, etc., I've never dealt with a boiler. I envisioned it > being a BIG hot water heater... and therefore needing the same kinds of > maintenance. > > What are your thoughts on this problem that Amber has been having... if > you've been following this thread. I know it's over 60 messages now > and has > been going on for several days.... maybe a week. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > Lenny, > > I used to get hot water from a boiler arrangement. It was the so-called > "instant" hot water heater. While there would be water in the unit, there > was not nearly enough to allow sediment to collect as in a hot water tank > heater. It is simply water sitting in pipes waiting to be called upon. > Just > like your cold water sits in pipes waiting to be used. > I think you can safely rule out the hot water system in Amber's > building as > being the problem or part of the problem. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:31 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > OK. The three PWC's that you did when you got home from work could be > something. That might also be a time when more folks around the condos are > taking showers/baths, cleaning dishes, etc., so there could be a LOT more > sediment getting stirred up in the boiler during that time period. You > could try filling a series of clear glasses with hot water from > several time > periods of your day (morning, lunch, after work, later at night) and then > wait 24 hours and see if any particular one of them have any kind of > sediment in them. Oh yeah.. take the aerator off your kitchen faucet > or use > your bathtub faucet (which doesn't have an aerator) as the aerator's > have a > screen that might catch some particulate. Of course, after doing this, you > might not want to drink your hot water any more. LOL I've seen some nasty > stuff come out of hot water heaters/lines over the years. > > As to your condo's... hopefully you never have to deal with a Board from > hell! I'm a community activist for a condo association down here that has > been having to deal with Board's from hell for the past four years. > There > are some really good websites and Yahoo Group's for helping folks dealing > with HOA (Home Owner Assn.) issues. Even if your current Board is great, > with the turnover of members every three years, you could have peace and > harmony today and wasteful spending and chaos three years from now. If > you're going to live in an HOA, you should learn your by-laws and > CCR's and > join some of these other forums to see what is happening to folks all over > America. I've been involved in litigation with two different Boards > for the > past 2.5 years where the Boards refuse to follow the rules and by-laws but > then try to fine the hell out of other people if they don't follow the > rules > and by-laws. They've spent over $15,000.00 in legal fees coming after me, > trying to shut me up. I haven't spent a dime yet (I have many lawyer > friends) and have recently asked the ACLU to help me since these Boards > mainly are trying to shut me up since I publish an "unofficial" > newsletter > exposing the illegal actions, mis-spending, etc., that these Board's from > hell have been up to since Katrina. BTW.. I'm not even an owner there any > more but I started being a community activist and publishing my newsletter > after Katrina when the Board was trying to do all kinds of illegal stuff > with the millions of dollars of insurance money. Email me off-list if you > ever have issues with your Board/Manager and I'll direct you to these > other > forums. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > I'm lucky to get people to call me back when I call about the condo's. I > did > email my water company to see if anything has changed there. We shall > see > what they say. > When I did the PWC's I did... lesse... 1 the day before I started the > multiple PWC's (that was a 25% change as normal), then I did a 25% water > change at lunch time, then I did 3 others with hour breaks in between > after > I got home from work (which would have been several hours after that > lunch > time PWC). Perhaps the one's in the evening were just too much for the > fish? > Yes I was using mixed water the same temp or close to it. > I don't have any labyrinth fish in the tank, I have a betta in the 10 > gallon > and a gourami in the 125 gallon downstairs. At this point, this is all I > have left in the tank alive and kicking. > 1 glofish > 4 purple passion danio's > 6 albino aeneus cory's > and 4 bleeding heart tetra's > > Everything else died. > I'm really not sure what's up with the Severum, he eats, but he's not as > hungry as normal, perhaps the aggressiveness of the angelfish is getting > to > him? I'm going to get myself a tank for them as soon as I can, I'm > hoping > it'll be a birthday present next week ;) heh > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > As far as PWC's, follow the med's directions. I haven't had to use > > Melafix/Pimafix in a few years but if I recall correctly, you just > > keep dosing the tank daily for seven days and then if you need to > > continue treatment, you would do a 25% PWC and then continue dosing > > daily for up to another seven days. You haven't mentioned any Betta's, > > > Gourami's, etc... do you have any labyrinth fish in the 55G? If so, > > you would want to remove them and treat them separately as full doses > > of Melafix/Pimafix have been reported to adversely affect some > > labyrinth fish. For labyrinth fish, you should use no more than a 50% > > dose (or less) of M/P. > > > > Lets look back a little and try to answer all of these questions... > > I'm just > > hoping something will stick out as a trigger. When you started on your > > > plan to get rid of green water by doing the hourly PWC's, how many did > > > you actually do? Did you notice the fish start to act sluggish or act > > strangely at any point during the PWC's? I'm presuming, during that > > series of PWC's that you were using the mixed hot/cold water to get > > the water close to tank temperature... right? Did you keep the water > > within 1-2F of temperature? > > > > Since you rely on a common water heater (boiler) for your condo's, > > it's hard to try and tell if it's related to that or not. Do you know > > the maintenance man/woman around there? Can you find out what kind of > > maintenance they do on the boiler such as flushing sedimentary > > contaminants out the bottom on a regular basis? This should be done on > > > our home's hot water heaters although 99% of folks do not do it. I do > > this as one of the services that my company offers to my customers and > > > most still do not do it. It should be part of the spring-cleaning of > > every homeowner. I'm also presuming that a LOT more folks use hot > > water at certain times of the day... either morning or later in the > > night so that would be when the sediment would be most likely to get > > stirred up. In the future, it would be best for you to do PWC's (if > > you are going to use a hot water mix) at a time when most other folks > > are not using the hot water. This would minimize the chances of > > getting boiler sediment into your water flow going into your tanks. > > > > Right now, I'm still thinking of a few theories.... that it was > > something brought in on that plant that gave you the green water and > > possibly a new strain of bacteria that your fish may not have been > > immune to... or maybe it was not a new strain of bacteria and it was > > something already in your tank and the fish were OK with it until the > > fishes immune system was possibly weakened by the stress of hourly > > PWC's... although I'm not convinced of any of these things. I'm still > > worried it might be your water supply.. either the water from the > > utility or the water from the boiler since you do have at least one > > other fish (the Severum) in your 125G that is still acting like it's > > possibly sick. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> blogspot.com> (Links to > any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Algae bloom in my 55 gallon > > > > Question: > > Should I do PWC's for the fin and tail rot or should I wait? > > > > Amber > > > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay I will start the baseline tonight for both hot and cold water, > > > every time I come home I find another dead fish in the tank. > > > The only fish in the tank that look fine are the 4 bleeding heart > > > tetra's, guess I'm lucky enough to keep them healthy ;) My albino > > > cory's are acting a little sluggish but are still active and > foraging. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > See my previous post. > > > > > > > > NO, it doesn't sound like it was caused by the cold water pH... at > > > > > least not at first glance. Doing a 25% PWC with 6.6 pH tap water > > > > to a 6.0 pH tank would only change the pH of the tank by 25% of .6 > > > > > which is only 0.15 > > > which > > > > is a tolerable level for healthy fish. > > > > > > > > Of course, while your cold water tap is showing 6.6 pH right out > > > > the > > > tap, > > > > you need the 48 hour baseline to see what it's really like. It > > > > could go much higher or lower. This is why the 48 hour baseline > > > > testing is important. > > > > > > > > If you haven't been taking notes, re-read some of my (and other's) > > > recent > > > > posts and follow those suggestions. While you are trying to figure > > > > > this out, you also need to do the 48 hour baseline tests on your > > > > cold and hot water, contact your water utility, etc., etc., > etc.... > > > > the more information, the better at this point. Knowledge is > power! > > > > (unless you get yours from reading from a teleprompter... but if > > > > the teleprompter messes up, there goes your knowledge. Sorry... > > > > had to get my political dig in today! LOL) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > blogspot.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39949	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. (I wish I could find a tap like that.) Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time or if it peters out quickly. I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water cooler. LOL This kind of information from your water utility is something that EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... usually the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. Does this answer any new questions about my water? Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than litmus paper. As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed for several years. Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39950	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I didn't know tap water came that way ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they buffer > up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap water is only > coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The 48 hour baseline > test results on the cold water tap may give us more info so give us the > numbers right out the tap, after adding your dechlor (and which > brand), the > numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour marks. Does your condo's have a water > softening system??? > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > in-depth > discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone mentioned Soda > Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some searching in the group's > messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash works and whether it > maintains > it's buffering capacity for a long time or if it peters out quickly. > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > bleach is > usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just free chlorine > but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person that replied to you > actually knows what they are talking about and are not just answering > based > on what they think or heard around the water cooler. LOL > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that EVERY > fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with regular > baseline > testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is happening to the water > once it gets into our tanks. I usually check with my utility at least once > a year, that I've started doing only since Katrina in 2005. I just forward > the previous year's email thread and ask if anything has changed... > usually > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water > changes. > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before adding > water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also called > "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 to 0.8 > parts > per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may also describe it > as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be the same > concentration of > chlorine, it is more of a chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, > most people use some sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium > bisulfite or some other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium > supplies. > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding water > to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature to > determine > the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are specific chemicals for > adjusting pH also available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done > with litmus paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If > you wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have > controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample > to KPU > and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more > accurate > than litmus paper. > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > potable > water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing has changed > for several years. > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39951	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Dora, I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored Water" option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) Now.. on a more serious note. I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads and read the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I think I need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 de1b4b61341d http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium Bicarbonate but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does possibly explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would have a higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this might relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at 6.6... presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher with any CO2 outgasing. This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to Amber's tap water and algae issues. http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I didn't know tap water came that way ;) Amber Dora Smith wrote: > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time > or if it peters out quickly. > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water > cooler. LOL > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread > and ask if anything has changed... > usually > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > litmus paper. > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > has changed for several years. > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39952	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Fwd: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owne

____________________________________ From: kbheaton@... Reply-to: AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers@yahoogroups.com To: kbheaton@... Sent: 5/1/2009 8:47:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owners Speak Out (http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm) (http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm) (http://www.naiatrust.org/about.htm) (http://www.naiatrust.org/gov/index.htm) (http://www.naiatrust.org/legal/index.htm) (http://www.naiatrust.org/resources.htm) (http://naiaonline.org/) H.R. 669 Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. _ Take Action!_ (http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/CWRPKKJKNT/3280165896) Bans most nonnative species kept as pets! April 29, 2009 Update on HR 669 On Thursday April 23, The House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife, chaired by Representative Bordallo of Guam, met to hear presentations on HR 669. Speakers were allowed five minutes each and also submitted formal reports for the Congressional Record. Only selected speakers were allowed to present information, including a USFWS official, a state official from Arizona, a biologist from Notre Dame, a fish farmer, and Marshall Meyers of the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council who presented information for NAIA and many other organizations. Over seventy organizations are on record as responding against HR 669, representing bird, mammal, fish, and reptile interests. Over 50,000 individual emails and faxes were submitted against HR 669. NAIA supporters sent a flood of messages through our Capwiz lobbying tool -- literally thousands -- to Representatives prior to the hearing. Patti Strand, NAIA National Director, submitted a two page letter in opposition to the bill, which was presented the day of the hearing. Committee members were quite surprised at the strong interest in this bill and the responses from their constitutents. Thank you for taking action and making a difference! Speakers indicated the bill needs more work. Representative Bordallo indicated that the hearing would be open for ten days to receive additional input. Since this bill was presented during the last session of Congress, and has strong support from Defenders of Wildlife, Nature Conservancy, Union of Concerned Scientists and the HSUS, it is expected that changes will be made in the bill to make it more palatable to the public. This does not mean the bill will be acceptable to those with interests in nonnative species. In one internet media blog, Michael Markarian, HSUS VP, reportedly stated the following: "First, the bill is aimed at exotic wildlife, not domestic household pets. It includes a specific exemption for cats, dogs, rabbits, goldfish, and horses. And the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is allowed to add more exempted species as it sees fit. The HSUS and HSLF are specifically requesting that hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs, and ferrets be added to the exempted list." This is an indication that there will be attempts to make the bill appear non threatening to owners and breedes of nonnative species. However, while we remain hopeful, we do not expect any positive changes in this bill due to the agenda of those making the changes. We recommend that individuals continue to contact their Representatives and express their concerns about interstate transport of their animals, the ability to sell or give away their animals, and the ability to breed their animals, all of which would be prohibited under HR 669. As further changes occur, we will update this message. HR 669 bans import, export, transport, breeding, sale or barter of ALL nonnative species unless they are placed on an Approved List established by the USFWS after extensive study. This law would affect most pet owners of non native species. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39953	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Dora, > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > Water" > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads > and read > the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I > think I > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > de1b4b61341d > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > Bicarbonate > but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of > these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does > possibly > explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would > have a > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this > might > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > 6.6... > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher with any > CO2 outgasing. > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > Amber's tap > water and algae issues. > http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > of water changes. > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash > > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just > > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are > > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water > > cooler. LOL > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread > > and ask if anything has changed... > > usually > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > > litmus paper. > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > has changed for several years. > > > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39954	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet

Hey none of those links were cut down in size, perhaps Yahoo needs () around links to keep them intact? I guess the one at the very bottom that was 3 lines long did break up, but most of them stayed intact. Just a thought, Amber joesbirds@... wrote: > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: kbheaton@... <mailto:kbheaton%40swbell.net> > Reply-to: AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers%40yahoogroups.com> > To: kbheaton@... <mailto:kbheaton%40swbell.net> > Sent: 5/1/2009 8:47:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: [AmericanFederationofAvicultureMembers] HR 669 UPDATE: Pet Owners > Speak Out > > (http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm <http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm>) > (http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm > <http://www.naiatrust.org/index.htm>) > (http://www.naiatrust.org/about.htm <http://www.naiatrust.org/about.htm>) > (http://www.naiatrust.org/gov/index.htm > <http://www.naiatrust.org/gov/index.htm>) > (http://www.naiatrust.org/legal/index.htm > <http://www.naiatrust.org/legal/index.htm>) > (http://www.naiatrust.org/resources.htm > <http://www.naiatrust.org/resources.htm>) (http://naiaonline.org/ > <http://naiaonline.org/>) > H.R. 669 Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. _ > Take Action!_ > (http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/CWRPKKJKNT/3280165896 > <http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/CWRPKKJKNT/3280165896>) > Bans most nonnative species kept as pets! > > April 29, 2009 > Update on HR 669 > On Thursday April 23, The House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans > and Wildlife, chaired by Representative Bordallo of Guam, met to hear > presentations on HR 669. Speakers were allowed five minutes each and also > submitted formal reports for the Congressional Record. Only selected > speakers were > allowed to present information, including a USFWS official, a state > official from Arizona, a biologist from Notre Dame, a fish farmer, and > Marshall > Meyers of the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council who presented > information > for NAIA and many other organizations. > Over seventy organizations are on record as responding against HR 669, > representing bird, mammal, fish, and reptile interests. Over 50,000 > individual > emails and faxes were submitted against HR 669. > NAIA supporters sent a flood of messages through our Capwiz lobbying tool > -- literally thousands -- to Representatives prior to the hearing. Patti > Strand, NAIA National Director, submitted a two page letter in > opposition to > the bill, which was presented the day of the hearing. Committee members > were quite surprised at the strong interest in this bill and the > responses > from their constitutents. Thank you for taking action and making a > difference! > Speakers indicated the bill needs more work. Representative Bordallo > indicated that the hearing would be open for ten days to receive > additional > input. Since this bill was presented during the last session of > Congress, and > has strong support from Defenders of Wildlife, Nature Conservancy, > Union of > Concerned Scientists and the HSUS, it is expected that changes will be > made in the bill to make it more palatable to the public. This does > not mean > the bill will be acceptable to those with interests in nonnative species. > In one internet media blog, Michael Markarian, HSUS VP, reportedly stated > the following: > "First, the bill is aimed at exotic wildlife, not domestic household > pets. > It includes a specific exemption for cats, dogs, rabbits, goldfish, and > horses. And the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is allowed to add more > exempted species as it sees fit. The HSUS and HSLF are specifically > requesting > that hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs, and ferrets be added to the exempted > list." > This is an indication that there will be attempts to make the bill appear > non threatening to owners and breedes of nonnative species. However, > while > we remain hopeful, we do not expect any positive changes in this bill due > to the agenda of those making the changes. > We recommend that individuals continue to contact their Representatives > and express their concerns about interstate transport of their > animals, the > ability to sell or give away their animals, and the ability to breed > their > animals, all of which would be prohibited under HR 669. As further > changes > occur, we will update this message. > HR 669 bans import, export, transport, breeding, sale or barter of ALL > nonnative species unless they are placed on an Approved List > established by > the USFWS after extensive study. This law would affect most pet owners of > non native species. > Most pet birds, ornamental aquarium fish, reptiles and small pet mammals > are nonnative species and would be ILLEGAL under this act, unless > placed on > the Approved List! > Any company manufacturing or selling product for these pet species would > be affected by this act. This means hundreds of thousands of pet birds > and > animals, reptiles and fish would be affected > Thousands of small businesses involved in any aspect of the pet industry, > from breeding, selling and transporting animals to manufacturing and > selling products for animals, such as foods, toys, and equipment. > HR 669 was introduced by Del Madeleine Bordallo of Guam, the Chair of the > Subcommittee of Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife of the House Natural > Resources Committee with the purpose of preventing the import of > nonnative > species which might be harmful to humans and to the environment or a > nuisance to agriculture or horticulture. > _Click here to read HR 669._ > (http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/NTLYKKJKNU/3280165896 > <http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/utr/1/LZJLKKIYPO/NTLYKKJKNU/3280165896>) > Most of the nonnative invasive species introduced into the U.S > mainland or > islands were inadvertently introduced through ballast water in ships or > as stowaways in cargo shipments (which is how the Brown Tree Snake > entered > Guam). Most nonnative species that are causing problems in the US > mainland > were NOT imported animals; domestic cats gone feral are likely the most > common exception. > At the present time, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service under the Lacey > Act is required to demonstrate that a nonnative species is injurious or > harmful to humans or the environment before it can be prohibited. > HR 669 would require that nonnative species are prohibited until the > USFWS > proves that the nonnative species is not a threat. Such a process > would be > extensive, costly, take a lot of time. It would waste taxpayer money > since it would apply to many thousands of nonnative species which have > historically existed as pets in the US and have not been demonstrated > to be a > threat to humans or the economy or the environment. > HR 669 requires the USFWS to do a risk assessment on each species and > then > place it on an Approved or Unapproved list. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39955	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

I like to use a gallon since you get a better chance of having an "average" water sample and trying to dose a cup with dechlor is/can be problematic. Even a gallon can be if/when 1ml treats 10G but at least you can use the 8-10 drops per gallon. I guess if you have a big 32 oz. cup, then use 1/4th of the gallon dechlor dosage of your dechlor. If you use one of the two I often recommend, then 2 drops would be good for a 32 oz. cup. Run your cold water for a couple of minutes before filling the sample cup/gallon to get rid of most of the water that might have been sitting stagnant in the pipes. When you use the Python, it already does this during the siphon phase so the water going into the tank is more "fresh"... not that any water coming out of our utility pipes is really "fresh". I didn't answer a question that Dora posed and wanted to answer it now. One of the ways that CO2 can occur and rise in your tap water is that, especially when chloramines is used, there can actually be nitrification going on in the pipes, especially if you are a long way from the water utility. This happens because, sometimes, the chloramines will start to break down in the pipes releasing ammonia and then the ammonia starts to go through the nitrogen cycle in the pipes which results in nitrates coming from the tap. When nitrifying bacteria convert ammonia to nitrite to nitrate, they use up O2 in the water and put out CO2, which is where some of the CO2 in the tap water could be coming from. Since Amber's utility does not use chloramine, then there is less of a chance of the higher CO2 level coming from that source but since they get their water from a reservoir/lake, it could be coming into their utility with a high CO2 level and since the water is kept inside of pipes most of the time, there would be little or no outgasing of the CO2 until it finally comes out the faucet on the users end of the line. These are just quick thoughts/theories since it would take a lot more research on Amber's end to know the why's and how's. The key for fishkeepers is to know their tap water baseline chemistry and then be able to take precautions and/or plan PWC's based on these figures. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:21 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Dora, > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > Water" > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer > and wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these > threads and read the first one but the second one will take more time > to absorb... I think I need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca 4> > de1b4b61341d > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > Bicarbonate but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms > so it becomes Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure > out if either of these would release CO2 into the water in the > pipes.... but it does possibly explain why water that is buffered from > the utility, with Sodium Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water > heater/boiler/etc., would have a higher CO2 level from "baking" the > Baking Soda in the hot water heating process so it releases that extra > carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait for others to speculate on this > also.... and I'm not sure if/how this might relate to Amber's pH > change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at 6.6... > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher with > any > CO2 outgasing. > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > Amber's tap water and algae issues. > http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-hig > h-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-hi > gh-can-> > co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? > I didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her > > faucet somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > of water changes. > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, > > to disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that > > they buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your > > tap water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound > > "normal". The > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda > > Ash works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a > > long time or if it peters out quickly. > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not > > just free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the > > person that replied to you actually knows what they are talking > > about and are not just answering based on what they think or heard > > around the water cooler. LOL > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email > > thread and ask if anything has changed... > > usually > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium > > hypochlorite > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine > > (also called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be > > about 0.4 to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium > > literature may also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which > > calculates to be the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a > > chemist's notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some > > sort of a proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some > > other anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water > > for corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It > > generally runs about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need > > correction before adding water to your tropical fish aquarium. You > > need to consult literature to determine the optimum pH for your > > species of fish. There are specific chemicals for adjusting pH also > > available as aquarium supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus > > paper that changes color although it is not very accurate. If you > > wanted to check the accuracy of your litmus paper after you have > > controlled the pH to whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample > > to KPU and we will be happy to check the pH with a meter that is > > much more accurate than litmus paper. > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > has changed for several years. > > > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39956	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Hi Amber, Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do you have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer or change pH up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will affect the pH of even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone un turned! Bill --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Dora, > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > Water" > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads > and read > the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I > think I > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > de1b4b61341d > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > Bicarbonate > but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of > these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does > possibly > explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would > have a > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this > might > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > 6.6... > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher with any > CO2 outgasing. > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > Amber's tap > water and algae issues. > http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > Amber > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > of water changes. > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash > > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just > > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are > > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water > > cooler. LOL > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread > > and ask if anything has changed... > > usually > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > > litmus paper. > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > has changed for several years. > > > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39957	From: mattsmom	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: I have pollywogs

Oh My Oh my went out this morning to clean the filter and pump for the lower pond and to clean the waterfall and I am so happy my frogs came back and they had babies!!!! hundreds of babies,, and I saw eggs too, so , I had to put a stocking around the filter so the little grandkids don,t die!!!! I,ms oooo Happy,,,RIBBITTTTTTTT Anna inOregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39958	From: Suzi	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs

how great that is! :) ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: mattsmom To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] I have pollywogs Oh My Oh my went out this morning to clean the filter and pump for the lower pond and to clean the waterfall and I am so happy my frogs came back and they had babies!!!! hundreds of babies,, and I saw eggs too, so , I had to put a stocking around the filter so the little grandkids don,t die!!!! I,ms oooo Happy,,,RIBBITTTTTTTT Anna inOregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39959	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

I'm mostly curios as to why the water holding tank in the parking lot by my condo has a pH range of 7.15 to 7.35 and my water never tests higher than 6.6 out of the tap then my drops even more. I keep a small chunk of coral in all my tanks as my tap water has very little buffering capacity according to my test kits for kh and gh. I'm wondering what is done with the boiler system now. Will have to contact the oil company. Amber bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > >Hi Amber, > >Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do you >have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer or change pH >up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will affect the pH of >even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone un turned! > >Bill > > > > > >--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > >From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > >But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water >should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of >course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. >Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a >large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > >Amber > >Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> >> >> Dora, >> >> I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored >> Water" >> option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor >> cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) >> >> Now.. on a more serious note. >> >> I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and >> wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads >> and read >> the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I >> think I >> need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) >> >> http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 >> <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> >> de1b4b61341d >> >> http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 >> <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> >> >> It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium >> Bicarbonate >> but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes >> Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of >> these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does >> possibly >> explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium >> Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would >> have a >> higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating >> process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait >> for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this >> might >> relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at >> 6.6... >> presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher with any >> CO2 outgasing. >> >> This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to >> Amber's tap >> water and algae issues. >> http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- >> <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> >> co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> water changes. >> >> How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I >> didn't know tap water came that way ;) >> >> Amber >> >> Dora Smith wrote: >> > >> > >> > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet >> > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the tap. >> > >> > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) >> > >> > Yours, >> > Dora Smith >> > Austin, TX >> > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility >> > of water changes. >> > >> > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to >> > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they >> > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap >> > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The >> > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more >> > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your >> > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour >> > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? >> > >> > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them >> > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone >> > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some >> > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash >> > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time >> > or if it peters out quickly. >> > >> > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well >> > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just >> > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person >> > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are >> > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water >> > cooler. LOL >> > >> > This kind of information from your water utility is something that >> > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with >> > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is >> > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check >> > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only >> > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread >> > and ask if anything has changed... >> > usually >> > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> >> (Links to any articles referenced in >> > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels >> > and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> > water changes. >> > >> > Does this answer any new questions about my water? >> > >> > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite >> > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before >> > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also >> > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 >> > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may >> > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be >> > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's >> > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a >> > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other >> > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. >> > >> > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for >> > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs >> > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding >> > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature >> > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are >> > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium >> > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes >> > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the >> > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to >> > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be >> > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than >> > litmus paper. >> > >> > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our >> > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing >> > has changed for several years. >> > >> > Amber >> >> > > >------------------------------------ > >Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > >If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > >Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > >Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > >Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39960	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do you > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > or change pH > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > affect the pH of > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > un turned! > > Bill > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Dora, > > > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > > Water" > > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and > > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads > > and read > > the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I > > think I > > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > > > > http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > > > > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4>> > > de1b4b61341d > > > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266>> > > > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > > Bicarbonate > > but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes > > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of > > these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does > > possibly > > explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium > > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would > > have a > > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating > > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait > > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this > > might > > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > > 6.6... > > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher > with any > > CO2 outgasing. > > > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > > Amber's tap > > water and algae issues. > > > http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > > > > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can->> > > co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I > > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the > tap. > > > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The > > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash > > > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time > > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just > > > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > > > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are > > > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water > > > cooler. LOL > > > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread > > > and ask if anything has changed... > > > usually > > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > > water changes. > > > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also > > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 > > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may > > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > > > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > > > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > > > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > > > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be > > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > > > litmus paper. > > > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > > has changed for several years. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39961	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Does pH in water fluctuate on a daily basis? This was my response about my pH from the water company: Amber: We monitor the cold water pH daily at the pump station located at the intersection of Evergreen & Jackson (the large concrete vault off to the side of the road) which is quite close to you. On April 28th, the pH was 7.35, on the 29th, it was 7.31, and on the 30th, it was 7.48. Earlier in the month of April, the pH ranged between 7.15 to 7.69 so your cold water actually is slightly basic rather than slightly acidic as your test kit indicated. Whether that little difference would have had an effect upon your tropical fish requires information from someone much more knowledgeable than I am but the internet should be a good source. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations > do you > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > > or change pH > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > > affect the pH of > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > > un turned! > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > of water changes. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dora, > > > > > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > > > Water" > > > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > > > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > > > > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > > > > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a > buffer and > > > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads > > > and read > > > the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I > > > think I > > > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > > > > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > > > > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4>>> > > > de1b4b61341d > > > > > > http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266>> > > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266>>> > > > > > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > > > Bicarbonate > > > but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it > becomes > > > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if > either of > > > these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does > > > possibly > > > explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium > > > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/etc., would > > > have a > > > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water > heating > > > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so > I'll wait > > > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this > > > might > > > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > > > 6.6... > > > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher > > with any > > > CO2 outgasing. > > > > > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > > > Amber's tap > > > water and algae issues. > > > > > > http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > > > > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can->> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > > > > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can->>> > > > co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of > > > water changes. > > > > > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the > tap? I > > > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her > faucet > > > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the > > tap. > > > > > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > > of water changes. > > > > > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not > chloramine, to > > > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > > > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > > > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound > "normal". The > > > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate), someone > > > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how > Soda Ash > > > > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a > long time > > > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and > not just > > > > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > > > > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about > and are > > > > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the > water > > > > cooler. LOL > > > > > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email > thread > > > > and ask if anything has changed... > > > > usually > > > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > > > water changes. > > > > > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium > hypochlorite > > > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine > (also > > > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be > about 0.4 > > > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium > literature may > > > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > > > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > > > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > > > > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > > > > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking > water for > > > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It > generally runs > > > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > > > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > > > > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > > > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > > > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > > > > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > > > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > > > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we > will be > > > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > > > > litmus paper. > > > > > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > > > has changed for several years. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > > replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39962	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my plants and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do you > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > or change pH > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > affect the pH of > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > un turned! > > Bill > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will of > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Dora, > > > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new "Flavored > > Water" > > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 flavor > > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a buffer and > > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these threads > > and read > > the first one but the second one will take more time to absorb... I > > think I > > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > > > > http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4> > > > > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4 > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4>> > > de1b4b61341d > > > > http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? p=vB1266> > > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? p=vB1266 > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? p=vB1266>> > > > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking Soda is Sodium > > Bicarbonate > > but when it is baked, it releases one of the carbon atoms so it becomes > > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to figure out if either of > > these would release CO2 into the water in the pipes.... but it does > > possibly > > explain why water that is buffered from the utility, with Sodium > > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water heater/boiler/ etc., would > > have a > > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in the hot water heating > > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not a chemist so I'll wait > > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm not sure if/how this > > might > > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > > 6.6... > > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it going much higher > with any > > CO2 outgasing. > > > > This thread has some interesting discussion as well, relative to > > Amber's tap > > water and algae issues. > > > http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can- > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can-> > > > > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can- > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can->> > > co2-tap-water- not-what- you-think. html > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide right out of the tap? I > > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the water right out of the > tap. > > > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine bleach, not chloramine, to > > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing I noticed is that they > > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet you say that your tap > > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that doesn't sound "normal". The > > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold water tap may give us more > > > info so give us the numbers right out the tap, after adding your > > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the 24 hour and 48 hour > > > marks. Does your condo's have a water softening system??? > > > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group and we were having them > > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate) , someone > > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you may want to do some > > > searching in the group's messages or just Googling about how Soda Ash > > > works and whether it maintains it's buffering capacity for a long time > > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" (actual bleach.. well > > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite with 90% water) and not just > > > free chlorine but I guess they have their reasons. I hope the person > > > that replied to you actually knows what they are talking about and are > > > not just answering based on what they think or heard around the water > > > cooler. LOL > > > > > > This kind of information from your water utility is something that > > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular basis and combined with > > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way in "learning" what is > > > happening to the water once it gets into our tanks. I usually check > > > with my utility at least once a year, that I've started doing only > > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the previous year's email thread > > > and ask if anything has changed... > > > usually > > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe than sorry. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > > water changes. > > > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my water? > > > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected with sodium hypochlorite > > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the uncreated chlorine before > > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of uncreated chlorine (also > > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of your tap will be about 0.4 > > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. Some aquarium literature may > > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) which calculates to be > > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is more of a chemist's > > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most people use some sort of a > > > proprietary compound containing sodium bisulfite or some other > > > anti-chor that they purchase with their aquarium supplies. > > > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH of our drinking water for > > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate (soda ash). It generally runs > > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need correction before adding > > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You need to consult literature > > > to determine the optimum pH for your species of fish. There are > > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also available as aquarium > > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with litmus paper that changes > > > color although it is not very accurate. If you wanted to check the > > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have controlled the pH to > > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a sample to KPU and we will be > > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is much more accurate than > > > litmus paper. > > > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has changed anything in our > > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, the answer is no. Nothing > > > has changed for several years. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39963	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... For 55 gallon tank: I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. Janet Michigan http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39964	From: ED	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

I posted in an earlier post about my shoal of "Emerald Cory's" actually Brochis splendens. I found differances externally but not enough info yet on the 'innards'. Cory's have smaller options. Myself I want another shoal of pandas, Even had em laying eggs. Friggin driftwood from LFS is now a yard ornament. Good luck on the small tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > www.fishbase.org is probably the most reliable and current source of > scientific fish information on the web, and _Brochis_ spp. Are still > listed as _Brochis_ as the genus there, with no mention of _Corydoras_ > as a synonym. If the article appeared in TFH, it was probably just that, > an article stating someone's opinion, and not peer reviewed, which is an > important step in recognition of a name change. Perhaps the author could > not get it reviewed, or was shut down in the review, who knows. > > I do not know what it is that differentiates _Brochis_ from _Corydoras_. > Externally, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the > two genus, internally, it may be another story. If I have some more time > while this is relatively fresh in my mind, I'll look into it further, > but the way things are going in my life lately, it is not likely to > happen. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Byron > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small tank question > > Only the dwarf species (Corydoras hastatus, C. pygmaeus or C. habrosus) > since you should (= must) have a group of corys for them to be happy and > therefore healthy. Corydoras is a shoaling species, and when kept > singly they frequently become stressed and susceptible to problems like > disease. Given a 6g tank, only a group of minimum 3 of the small corys > would work. > > Second, they will eat fry if small enough. I had a pair of Rams spawn > in my 90g once and it was the corys who managed to devour the school of > fry as the female ram was shepherding them around the tank; she just > couldn't fend off the corys once they became aware that a ready source > of excellent food was within their grasp. And corys of course have > scutes that protect them very well from such things. > > And third, they are not "cleaner" fish. Proper nutritional food must be > provided for bottom feeders, as they will not receive sufficient from > leftovers. And in any event, the tank must still receive partial water > changes and the bottom syphoned, so in my view why bother with something > that isn't going to be good in the first place. > > On a side note, one of the responses mentioned the former geneus > Brochis; scientistss now believe this fish is actually a Corydoras and > the genus Brochis has been removed. Corydoras brochis has been > reassigned to a sub-group within Corydoras along with a few other corys > like C. barbatus. This information was in TFH a few years back, but > sorry, I can't remember which or specifics. I recall at the same time > that it was being suggested that the dwarf corys mentioned above should > be in a new genus, Microcorydoras I think was the name. Haven't had > opportunity to track this down yet to see where it went. > > Byron. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy > fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning > the gravel. There are no hiding places. > > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank > and don't get big. > > > > Noura > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39965	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs

Congrats!! I have tons of toad babies on the way here in our pond (err... mini lake). I was out fishing (hope that confession isn't evil here. LOL) and saw no less than 10 pair mating and laying strings of eggs. So cool! Toads singing is my FAVORITE noise of spring! I ache to hear it all winter long. (and it gets LOUD here!) I planted several bullfrogs 2 yrs ago but haven't seen hide nor hair of them since (4 legged tad pole stage). Sad. I hope nothing happened to them. Maybe they just hopped out to the swamps behind our pond. Really wanted to be able to hear bull frogs one day. I used to live in Eugene, OR, Anna. Sooo beautiful! Janet Michigan http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39966	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

What was wrong with the driftwood, out of curiosity? Amber ED wrote: > > > I posted in an earlier post about my shoal of "Emerald Cory's" > actually Brochis splendens. I found differances externally but not > enough info yet on the 'innards'. Cory's have smaller options. Myself > I want another shoal of pandas, Even had em laying eggs. Friggin > driftwood from LFS is now a yard ornament. Good luck on the small tank. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > > > www.fishbase.org is probably the most reliable and current source of > > scientific fish information on the web, and _Brochis_ spp. Are still > > listed as _Brochis_ as the genus there, with no mention of _Corydoras_ > > as a synonym. If the article appeared in TFH, it was probably just that, > > an article stating someone's opinion, and not peer reviewed, which is an > > important step in recognition of a name change. Perhaps the author could > > not get it reviewed, or was shut down in the review, who knows. > > > > I do not know what it is that differentiates _Brochis_ from _Corydoras_. > > Externally, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the > > two genus, internally, it may be another story. If I have some more time > > while this is relatively fresh in my mind, I'll look into it further, > > but the way things are going in my life lately, it is not likely to > > happen. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Byron > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:45 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small tank question > > > > Only the dwarf species (Corydoras hastatus, C. pygmaeus or C. habrosus) > > since you should (= must) have a group of corys for them to be happy and > > therefore healthy. Corydoras is a shoaling species, and when kept > > singly they frequently become stressed and susceptible to problems like > > disease. Given a 6g tank, only a group of minimum 3 of the small corys > > would work. > > > > Second, they will eat fry if small enough. I had a pair of Rams spawn > > in my 90g once and it was the corys who managed to devour the school of > > fry as the female ram was shepherding them around the tank; she just > > couldn't fend off the corys once they became aware that a ready source > > of excellent food was within their grasp. And corys of course have > > scutes that protect them very well from such things. > > > > And third, they are not "cleaner" fish. Proper nutritional food must be > > provided for bottom feeders, as they will not receive sufficient from > > leftovers. And in any event, the tank must still receive partial water > > changes and the bottom syphoned, so in my view why bother with something > > that isn't going to be good in the first place. > > > > On a side note, one of the responses mentioned the former geneus > > Brochis; scientistss now believe this fish is actually a Corydoras and > > the genus Brochis has been removed. Corydoras brochis has been > > reassigned to a sub-group within Corydoras along with a few other corys > > like C. barbatus. This information was in TFH a few years back, but > > sorry, I can't remember which or specifics. I recall at the same time > > that it was being suggested that the dwarf corys mentioned above should > > be in a new genus, Microcorydoras I think was the name. Haven't had > > opportunity to track this down yet to see where it went. > > > > Byron. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "N Taweel" <n-taweel@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy > > fry for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > > > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning > > the gravel. There are no hiding places. > > > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank > > and don't get big. > > > > > > Noura > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39967	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Question about a plant

One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's decaying or something else... I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39968	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs

You folks in Oregon.. beware of “bufo bufo” they will devour anything that will fit in there mouths :-). I visit sisters yearly for the past 15 yeas or so, when it was a quaint town. I suspect the anurans you are speaking of are actually tree frogs ( not much bigger than 1 ½”. Does anyone know for sure? Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I have pollywogs Congrats!! I have tons of toad babies on the way here in our pond (err... mini lake). I was out fishing (hope that confession isn't evil here. LOL) and saw no less than 10 pair mating and laying strings of eggs. So cool! Toads singing is my FAVORITE noise of spring! I ache to hear it all winter long. (and it gets LOUD here!) I planted several bullfrogs 2 yrs ago but haven't seen hide nor hair of them since (4 legged tad pole stage). Sad. I hope nothing happened to them. Maybe they just hopped out to the swamps behind our pond. Really wanted to be able to hear bull frogs one day. I used to live in Eugene, OR, Anna. Sooo beautiful! Janet Michigan http://www.howtoeho <http://www.howtoehow.com> w.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39969	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: I have pollywogs

Not sure how you plan on feeding them but please know they will devour each other if no other food source is available. You can always get a few thousand pin head crickets at a reasonable price and let then go a few hundred at a time on different days. They will also do a lot better with aeration and a constant food source like algae wafers or if the pond is mature pond algae.. And you never thought algae was good.lol PS I n the past I bred over 3000( fire bellies) one season- all in my living room Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattsmom Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I have pollywogs Oh My Oh my went out this morning to clean the filter and pump for the lower pond and to clean the waterfall and I am so happy my frogs came back and they had babies!!!! hundreds of babies,, and I saw eggs too, so , I had to put a stocking around the filter so the little grandkids don,t die!!!! I,ms oooo Happy,,,RIBBITTTTTTTT Anna inOregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39970	From: red-eye	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

Do you fertilize? Try seachem gravel fertilizer tablets. If you look hard you will find a good deal online Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's decaying or something else... I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39971	From: Suzi	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Thanks so much Janet! :) I have a question about your possible project... do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Ford To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... For 55 gallon tank: I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. Janet Michigan http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39972	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

I put slow release organic fertilizers into the soil for the plants (small amounts as I didn't want to put too much). I had it on hand already, hmmm... I wonder if that's the culprit to my green algae issue, though it has yet to turn green again. Perhaps the water changes got rid of enough extra nutrients so that the algae didn't come back. Amber red-eye wrote: > > > Do you fertilize? > > Try seachem gravel fertilizer tablets. If you look hard you will find > a good > deal online > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant > > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's decaying > or something else... > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39973	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

Also in case anyone is curious about the fertilizers and if it was the cause of my green water, it seems like I should have gotten green water sooner as I have used this fertilizer before with my plants in the fish tank and not gotten green water before, perhaps I added too much on accident though. I also gradually added the plants, not all at once, and the soil had aired out for a couple of weeks to outgas anything bad. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I put slow release organic fertilizers into the soil for the plants > (small amounts as I didn't want to put too much). I had it on hand > already, hmmm... I wonder if that's the culprit to my green algae issue, > though it has yet to turn green again. Perhaps the water changes got rid > of enough extra nutrients so that the algae didn't come back. > > Amber > > red-eye wrote: > > > > > > Do you fertilize? > > > > Try seachem gravel fertilizer tablets. If you look hard you will find > > a good > > deal online > > > > Regards, > > > > red-eye > > > > _____ > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:46 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant > > > > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, > > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss > > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is > > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near > > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's decaying > > or something else... > > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39974	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Hi Big Poppa, Try some Crushed Coral. Bill --- On Fri, 5/1/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 4:10 PM > I almost have the same issue my basic > tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep the pH in my tanks > above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to > do with my plants and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave > matter all the time.. also i can keep up the buffering in my > tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but as soon as it > hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >     >             >             > > >       >       Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital > waiting to have blood drawn I > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have > regular pea > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in > pots and jars > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank > (it was in > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach > out > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the > dishwasher a few > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel > and decorations do you > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things > which will buffer > > > or change pH > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand > fulls will > > > affect the pH of > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and > leave no stone > > > un turned! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like > my tap water > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my > thought.... I will of > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been > crazy for me. > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the > baseline in? Will a > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket > for some reason? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dora, > > > > > > > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System > with the new "Flavored > > > > Water" > > > > option of adding flavors to the water... and then > buy the "CO2 flavor > > > > cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. > ;-) > > > > > > > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > > > > > > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using > Soda Ash as a buffer and > > > > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google > found these threads > > > > and read > > > > the first one but the second one will take more > time to absorb... I > > > > think I > > > > need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. > php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4 > > > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. > php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. > php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4 > > > <http://www.dfwmas. org/Forums/ viewtopic. > php?p=300645& sid=46e3724fc7d9 dae2bca4>> > > > > de1b4b61341d > > > > > > > > http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? > p=vB1266 > > > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? > p=vB1266> > > > > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? > p=vB1266 > > > <http://www.fishtank forums.com/ frontpage/ index.php? > p=vB1266>> > > > > > > > > It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking > Soda is Sodium > > > > Bicarbonate > > > > but when it is baked, it releases one of the > carbon atoms so it becomes > > > > Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to > figure out if either of > > > > these would release CO2 into the water in the > pipes.... but it does > > > > possibly > > > > explain why water that is buffered from the > utility, with Sodium > > > > Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water > heater/boiler/ etc., would > > > > have a > > > > higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in > the hot water heating > > > > process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not > a chemist so I'll wait > > > > for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm > not sure if/how this > > > > might > > > > relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at > 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > > > > 6.6... > > > > presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it > going much higher > > > with any > > > > CO2 outgasing. > > > > > > > > This thread has some interesting discussion as > well, relative to > > > > Amber's tap > > > > water and algae issues. > > > > > > > http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- > fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can- > > > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- > fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can-> > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- > fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can- > > > <http://www.barrrepo rt.com/co2- aquatic-plant- > fertilization/ 4655-how- high-can->> > > > > co2-tap-water- not-what- you-think. html > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > > > > water changes. > > > > > > > > How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide > right out of the tap? I > > > > didn't know tap water came that way ;) > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is > buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > > > > > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the > water right out of the > > > tap. > > > > > > > > > > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Dora Smith > > > > > Austin, TX > > > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > > <mailto:tiggernut24 %40yahoo. com> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com>> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my > local water and possibility > > > > > of water changes. > > > > > > > > > > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine > bleach, not chloramine, to > > > > > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing > I noticed is that they > > > > > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet > you say that your tap > > > > > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that > doesn't sound "normal". The > > > > > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold > water tap may give us more > > > > > info so give us the numbers right out the > tap, after adding your > > > > > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at > the 24 hour and 48 hour > > > > > marks. Does your condo's have a water > softening system??? > > > > > > > > > > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group > and we were having them > > > > > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda > (sodium bicarbonate) , someone > > > > > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you > may want to do some > > > > > searching in the group's messages or just > Googling about how Soda Ash > > > > > works and whether it maintains it's > buffering capacity for a long time > > > > > or if it peters out quickly. > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" > (actual bleach.. well > > > > > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite > with 90% water) and not just > > > > > free chlorine but I guess they have their > reasons. I hope the person > > > > > that replied to you actually knows what they > are talking about and are > > > > > not just answering based on what they think > or heard around the water > > > > > cooler. LOL > > > > > > > > > > This kind of information from your water > utility is something that > > > > > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular > basis and combined with > > > > > regular baseline testing, will go a long way > in "learning" what is > > > > > happening to the water once it gets into our > tanks. I usually check > > > > > with my utility at least once a year, that > I've started doing only > > > > > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the > previous year's email thread > > > > > and ask if anything has changed... > > > > > usually > > > > > the answer is "No" but it's better to be > safe than sorry. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. > blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > > > > > water changes. > > > > > > > > > > Does this answer any new questions about my > water? > > > > > > > > > > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected > with sodium hypochlorite > > > > > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the > uncreated chlorine before > > > > > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of > uncreated chlorine (also > > > > > called "free" or "residual") coming out of > your tap will be about 0.4 > > > > > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. > Some aquarium literature may > > > > > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) > which calculates to be > > > > > the same concentration of chlorine, it is > more of a chemist's > > > > > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most > people use some sort of a > > > > > proprietary compound containing sodium > bisulfite or some other > > > > > anti-chor that they purchase with their > aquarium supplies. > > > > > > > > > > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH > of our drinking water for > > > > > corrosion control using sodium carbonate > (soda ash). It generally runs > > > > > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need > correction before adding > > > > > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You > need to consult literature > > > > > to determine the optimum pH for your species > of fish. There are > > > > > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also > available as aquarium > > > > > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with > litmus paper that changes > > > > > color although it is not very accurate. If > you wanted to check the > > > > > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have > controlled the pH to > > > > > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a > sample to KPU and we will be > > > > > happy to check the pH with a meter that is > much more accurate than > > > > > litmus paper. > > > > > > > > > > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has > changed anything in our > > > > > potable water in the last couple of weeks, > the answer is no. Nothing > > > > > has changed for several years. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT > > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message > > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was > re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of unsubscribing, > > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on > "Edit My > > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> > to receive the digest, > > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single > email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> > for the No E-Mail option > > > where you will still be able to read messages on the > group and post > > > replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> > to receive individual > > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39975	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Amber, At the risk of rising the wrath of your hubby, I feel it is important to point this out. If the degrees of water pH are significant, as they seem to be in your case, perhaps you should look at this in an entirely different manner. Sheer mechanics! If the water is stored in a container, whatever, there are so many variables in your situation in might be better to jump ahead in the story and get to end first and then go back to the beginning. If the rest of your tanks have all been fine and the fish as well, leave things alone. If not and you still have water concerns, I think probably the easiest and cheapest from your point of view would be the installation of an under the sink type ROF (Reverse Osmosis Filter). They are expensive and do yield a low water out put, but in your case with so many variables I can't offer much else. Again though, I must caution you, if all other things seem fine and the other tanks and their inhabitants seem fine it might be better to leave well enough alone. A number of months ago, when first joining the group, I got into "water-chemistry". It was against the wishes and advise of everyone. I was very lucky in that I did not kill anything but I can tell you in less than 21 days I experienced just about every single thing that they said would happen. Was it worth it? No! But thanks to their kindness and just plain good hearted natures I came out of it learning an awful lot about water parameters and the cause and effect of them. Leave water and buffering alone. But you cannot rule out extensive filtering when necessary either. Water stored in any container will change its own parameters. No pure air, the water does not move fast enough inside of the holding vessel. It is in direct sunlight and has temperature change? These are just some of the variables to consider. Bill --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:30 PM > I'm mostly curios as to why the water > holding tank in the parking lot by my condo has a pH range > of 7.15 to 7.35 and my water never tests higher than 6.6 out > of the tap then my drops even more. I keep a small chunk of > coral in all my tanks as my tap water has very little > buffering capacity according to my test kits for kh and gh. > > I'm wondering what is done with the boiler system now. Will > have to contact the oil company. > > Amber > > bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > > > >Hi Amber, > > > >Is this still from the 55 tank?  What sort of > gravel and decorations do you > >have in these tanks.  There is a wide range of > things which will buffer or change pH > >up or down.  Coral for instance.  A few well > placed hand fulls will affect the pH of > >even a 55.  In a case like yours, check everything > and leave no stone un turned! > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > >From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility of water changes. > >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > >But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like > my tap water > >should be somewhat near there, at least that's my > thought.... I will of > >course get the baseline numbers, this week has been > crazy for me. > >Does it matter how big of a container I start the > baseline in? Will a > >large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for > some reason? > > > >Amber > > > >Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dora, > >> > >> I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with > the new "Flavored > >> Water" > >> option of adding flavors to the water... and then > buy the "CO2 flavor > >> cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. > ;-) > >> > >> Now.. on a more serious note. > >> > >> I was curious about Amber's water utility using > Soda Ash as a buffer and > >> wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google > found these threads > >> and read > >> the first one but the second one will take more > time to absorb... I > >> think I > >> need to ingas more caffeine this morning. ;-) > >> > >> http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4 > > >> <http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?p=300645&sid=46e3724fc7d9dae2bca4> > >> de1b4b61341d > >> > >> http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266 > > >> <http://www.fishtankforums.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB1266> > >> > >> It seems Soda Ash is "Baked" Baking Soda. Baking > Soda is Sodium > >> Bicarbonate > >> but when it is baked, it releases one of the > carbon atoms so it becomes > >> Sodium Carbonate a/k/a Soda Ash. Still trying to > figure out if either of > >> these would release CO2 into the water in the > pipes.... but it does > >> possibly > >> explain why water that is buffered from the > utility, with Sodium > >> Bicarbonate, when heated up in a hot water > heater/boiler/etc., would > >> have a > >> higher CO2 level from "baking" the Baking Soda in > the hot water heating > >> process so it releases that extra carbon. I'm not > a chemist so I'll wait > >> for others to speculate on this also.... and I'm > not sure if/how this > >> might > >> relate to Amber's pH change from the utility at > 7.8-8.2 to her tap at > >> 6.6... > >> presuming the 48 hour baseline doesn't show it > going much higher with any > >> CO2 outgasing. > >> > >> This thread has some interesting discussion as > well, relative to > >> Amber's tap > >> water and algae issues. > >> http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can- > > >> <http://www.barrreport.com/co2-aquatic-plant-fertilization/4655-how-high-can-> > >> co2-tap-water-not-what-you-think.html > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:30 AM > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > >> water changes. > >> > >> How would your tap water get more carbon dioxide > right out of the tap? I > >> didn't know tap water came that way ;) > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> Dora Smith wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Tap water could be 6.6 even though it is > buffered to 8.2 if her faucet > >> > somehow gets enough carbon dioxide into the > water right out of the tap. > >> > > >> > (I wish I could find a tap like that.) > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Dora Smith > >> > Austin, TX > >> > tiggernut24@... > <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> <mailto:tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... > > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > >> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:34 PM > >> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my > local water and possibility > >> > of water changes. > >> > > >> > OK. So now you know they use ONLY chlorine > bleach, not chloramine, to > >> > disinfect your water but the other BIG thing > I noticed is that they > >> > buffer up the water to 7.8 to 8.2 pH and yet > you say that your tap > >> > water is only coming out at 6.6 pH... that > doesn't sound "normal". The > >> > 48 hour baseline test results on the cold > water tap may give us more > >> > info so give us the numbers right out the > tap, after adding your > >> > dechlor (and which brand), the numbers at the > 24 hour and 48 hour > >> > marks. Does your condo's have a water > softening system??? > >> > > >> > I know when Ol' Bill first joined the group > and we were having them > >> > in-depth discussions about Baking Soda > (sodium bicarbonate), someone > >> > mentioned Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) so you > may want to do some > >> > searching in the group's messages or just > Googling about how Soda Ash > >> > works and whether it maintains it's buffering > capacity for a long time > >> > or if it peters out quickly. > >> > > >> > I'm surprised they use "sodium hypoclorite" > (actual bleach.. well > >> > bleach is usually 10% sodium hypochlorite > with 90% water) and not just > >> > free chlorine but I guess they have their > reasons. I hope the person > >> > that replied to you actually knows what they > are talking about and are > >> > not just answering based on what they think > or heard around the water > >> > cooler. LOL > >> > > >> > This kind of information from your water > utility is something that > >> > EVERY fish keeper should get on a regular > basis and combined with > >> > regular baseline testing, will go a long way > in "learning" what is > >> > happening to the water once it gets into our > tanks. I usually check > >> > with my utility at least once a year, that > I've started doing only > >> > since Katrina in 2005. I just forward the > previous year's email thread > >> > and ask if anything has changed... > >> > usually > >> > the answer is "No" but it's better to be safe > than sorry. > >> > > >> > Lenny Vasbinder > >> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in > >> > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > >> > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:19 PM > >> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > >> > water changes. > >> > > >> > Does this answer any new questions about my > water? > >> > > >> > Amber: The water in Ketchikan is disinfected > with sodium hypochlorite > >> > (bleach) and you need to eliminate the > uncreated chlorine before > >> > adding water to your aquarium. The amount of > uncreated chlorine (also > >> > called "free" or "residual") coming out of > your tap will be about 0.4 > >> > to 0.8 parts per million (p.m.) chlorine. > Some aquarium literature may > >> > also describe it as milligrams/ liter (mg/l) > which calculates to be > >> > the same concentration of chlorine, it is > more of a chemist's > >> > notation. To eliminate the chlorine, most > people use some sort of a > >> > proprietary compound containing sodium > bisulfite or some other > >> > anti-chor that they purchase with their > aquarium supplies. > >> > > >> > Note also that Ketchikan also adjusts the pH > of our drinking water for > >> > corrosion control using sodium carbonate > (soda ash). It generally runs > >> > about 7.8 to 8.2 pH units and this may need > correction before adding > >> > water to your tropical fish aquarium. You > need to consult literature > >> > to determine the optimum pH for your species > of fish. There are > >> > specific chemicals for adjusting pH also > available as aquarium > >> > supplies. Measuring pH can be done with > litmus paper that changes > >> > color although it is not very accurate. If > you wanted to check the > >> > accuracy of your litmus paper after you have > controlled the pH to > >> > whatever your recommended pH is, bring a > sample to KPU and we will be > >> > happy to check the pH with a meter that is > much more accurate than > >> > litmus paper. > >> > > >> > As far as your question inquiring if KPU has > changed anything in our > >> > potable water in the last couple of weeks, > the answer is no. Nothing > >> > has changed for several years. > >> > > >> > Amber > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > >If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > > >Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > > >Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > >Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39976	From: bill1433	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

Amber, Now I am going to risk the wrath of the group. Until you have a solid firm handle on everything and everybody inside the 55, I think it would be best to trash the plants. Any living thing that you put into that tank could fowl it. Until the tank is completely cycled, and crystal clear, with no problems and doing what you want, then add the plants. Plants are beautiful additions to any aquarium but they are living things. All living things die, sooner or later. If its later in your case, and you don't discover it quickly enough, then its one more thing that can cause a problem. You sound like your doing pretty well lately with problems, you don't really need any more do you? Trash the plants or move them to an older tank for now. Bill --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 4:46 PM > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon > is starting to decay it appears, > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should > I just toss > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the > plant is > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base > of it near > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if > it's decaying > or something else... > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it > in "person". > > Amber > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39977	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

Only one plant is having issues... and the tank has been cycled for awhile, especially now that half the inhabitants are dead ;) It's WAY cycled, LOL. I am probably having a die off of bacteria at this point. I think my problems were not paying attention enough to what I was doing, I've had a hectic week, and next week should be worse. Thank goodness it's the weekend! I can't say that the tank is crystal clear, but it hasn't been since I got the green water problem, but it's definitely not green anymore either. I'm going to pull the plant out and take a closer look at it, see if it's a growth on it or if it's actually decaying, perhaps the rocks were too close to the stems and started to cause them to die off, I'm not sure until i get a closer peek at it I guess. The plant looks very healthy on top though, that's the weird part, grew a lot of new leaves in the last couple of weeks. With my luck it's a fungus, ugh, LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Amber, > > Now I am going to risk the wrath of the group. Until you have a solid > firm handle on everything and everybody > inside the 55, I think it would be best to trash the plants. Any > living thing > that you put into that tank could fowl it. Until the tank is > completely cycled, > and crystal clear, with no problems and doing what you want, then add > the plants. Plants are beautiful additions to any aquarium but they > are living > things. All living things die, sooner or later. If its later in your > case, and you don't > discover it quickly enough, then its one more thing that can cause a > problem. > > You sound like your doing pretty well lately with problems, you don't > really > need any more do you? Trash the plants or move them to an older tank > for now. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 4:46 PM > > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon > > is starting to decay it appears, > > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should > > I just toss > > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the > > plant is > > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base > > of it near > > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if > > it's decaying > > or something else... > > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it > > in "person". > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39978	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue so I'll fix that easy enough. - Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzi To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Thanks so much Janet! :) I have a question about your possible project... do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Ford To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... For 55 gallon tank: I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. Janet Michigan http://www.howtoehow.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39979	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Yes, especially in our tanks. For example, during the day, when the lights are on, the plants/algae are using up CO2 (put out by the fish, nitrifying bacteria, decaying detritus, etc.) but at night, when the lights are out, the plants and algae are not using up the CO2. If you test your tank early in the morning before turning on the lights, you'll likely find the pH much lower, due to a higher CO2 level. At the end of a day when the lights have been on all day long, the pH will likely be higher since the plants/algae have been sucking up the CO2 all day. Now... as far as your water utility, depending on the overall chemistry of the water, the buffers that they use to buffer it up will only last so long and as the buffers wear out, the pH will slowly drop. Since they monitor it daily at the pump station near your condos, and it's still in the mid-7's on average, they are either barely using enough buffers and they are wearing out as they get to you. You should ask them what the water's pH is before they buffer it up... and once we have your 48 hour baseline tests, we'll know if it's coming out your tap in the mid-7's and then dropping down to the mid-6's or lower after it's getting into your tank. If that is happening, then the multiple PWC's could have caused pH shock if the multiple PWC's temporarily brought the pH of the tank up to the mid-7's and then by the next morning, it dropped to the low-6's. While fish do fine with bouncing pH levels caused by CO2 levels, they do not do so well with bouncing pH levels caused by human interference with buffers. God's ways almost always work better than our ways... so He designed the fish to be able to deal with pH levels that fluctuated due to CO2 levels caused by photosynthesis... but not so much with man-made chemicals being thrown into the mix. ;-) The up side of all of these problems and testing the 48 hour baseline for the cold and hot water is that you will know a LOT more about your tap water and how it affects your tanks from now on. I've written about this before. If someone has a baseline that drops a full unit of pH.... in other words, drops from 7.5 to 6.5, then that person will know that they can only do 10% to 20% PWC's max, instead of 25% to 33% PWC's which would change the pH by more than the 0.2 units of pH that is the maximum recommended change at any one time. Of course, this 0.2 pH change excludes pH changes caused solely by CO2 levels changing due to photosynthesis which can sometimes be much larger fluctuations. Oh yeah.. one other thing. In the pond hobby, the pH can also bounce around due to rainfall since the rain will have NO buffers of any type in it which can cause the pH of a pond to drop drastically if it gets enough rain... but once again, rain comes from God's way and it doesn't seem to harm the fish in nature but for ponders, some fish will be adversely affected and change coloration with pH fluctuations caused by rainfall but that is because they are acclimated to the man-made water that is used in the pond and maintained with frequent PWC's in the pond... and pond's usually have a false bottom, rather than being in contact with the earth so there are no minerals, trace elements, etc., leaching into the pond like would be present in a natural lake or waterway. Because of this, many ponders will have to add buffers to their ponds to keep the pH up when there is a lot of rainfall. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. Does pH in water fluctuate on a daily basis? This was my response about my pH from the water company: Amber: We monitor the cold water pH daily at the pump station located at the intersection of Evergreen & Jackson (the large concrete vault off to the side of the road) which is quite close to you. On April 28th, the pH was 7.35, on the 29th, it was 7.31, and on the 30th, it was 7.48. Earlier in the month of April, the pH ranged between 7.15 to 7.69 so your cold water actually is slightly basic rather than slightly acidic as your test kit indicated. Whether that little difference would have had an effect upon your tropical fish requires information from someone much more knowledgeable than I am but the internet should be a good source. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations > do you > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will > > buffer or change pH up or down. Coral for instance. A few well > > placed hand fulls will affect the pH of even a 55. In a case like > > yours, check everything and leave no stone un turned! > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > of water changes. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > > of course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will > > a large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dora, > > > > > > I think you need the Pur Faucet Filter System with the new > > > "Flavored Water" > > > option of adding flavors to the water... and then buy the "CO2 > > > flavor cartridge" instead of the strawberry or lemonade. ;-) > > > > > > Now.. on a more serious note. > > > > > > I was curious about Amber's water utility using Soda Ash as a > buffer and > > > wanted to learn more about it so a quick Google found these > > > threads and read the first one but the second one will take more > > > time to absorb... I think I need to ingas more caffeine this > > > morning. ;-)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39980	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once it's in the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but there are also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an African Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed coral or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be enough and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be adverse to the fish's health. Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your water utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my plants and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > you > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > or change pH > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > affect the pH of > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > un turned! > > Bill > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > of > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39981	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Live aquaria

Okay, I'm curious about something. I emailed Live aquaria a few months back asking if they will ship to my zip code, and I was told no they will only ship plants to me, as it takes 2 days for an overnight shipment to arrive. So if that is the case, then why did we just deliver 2 boxes of Koi to a woman in town yesterday? Do Koi have less health issues when traveling? Or perhaps they shipped hers without a live arrival guarantee, even though they told me no they won't ship to me at all except plants.... she's in the same zip code that I am ;) How unfair ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39982	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

LOL. That was critical need-to-know information that you never mentioned before. If you only had this in the 55G and none of your other tanks, then I would make it the primary suspect as the cause of your green water algae. How long ago did you put that into the tank/plant pots before you started getting green water algae? You'll have to see if it returns as the fertilizer tabs keep dissolving... or maybe they've fully dissolved already??? You've also cut back on the lighting, did all the PWC's, lowered your bioload (inadvertently with the fish kill), etc., so it could be a mix of factors that have kept the green water algae at bay. I have the below questionnaire on my blog on the fish disease pages and it's probably something that folks should use out here as we may have learned about this fertilizer tabs earlier. I am copy/pasting from around the bottom half of this page dealing with fish disease, illness, etc.... http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/disease-illness-diagnosis-treatment.ht ml IF YOU DO VISIT ONE OF THE MANY FORUMS FOR HELP, TRY TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR FISH PROBLEM. HERE IS A GUIDELINE, PREPARED BY HAILEY, A VERY GOOD FISH KEEPER. COPY AND PASTE THIS FORM INTO YOUR EMAIL OR POST AND THEN FILL IN AS MANY ANSWERS AS POSSIBLE TO HELP THOSE TRYING TO HELP YOU: We understand that if you are having a problem, especially one resulting is sick fish, you want help as soon as possible. In order to give you answers as quickly as we can, we need you to provide answers to as many of the questions below as possible, especially test readings. It would be best if you cut and paste this entire set of questions into your first post to be sure you answer each inquiry. Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite: Nitrate: pH: GH: KH: Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml Temperature: Tank size: Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life): Water change amount and when the last one was done: Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do: How long the tank has been set up: Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used: Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants some common examples are: Fish behavior- separating from school hiding breathing rapidly hanging at surface sitting on bottom having difficulty swimming scraping body on ornaments/plants/gravel Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin fins fraying chunks missing from fins open sores bent spine Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water greenish cloudy water excessive algae (specify color) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant I put slow release organic fertilizers into the soil for the plants (small amounts as I didn't want to put too much). I had it on hand already, hmmm... I wonder if that's the culprit to my green algae issue, though it has yet to turn green again. Perhaps the water changes got rid of enough extra nutrients so that the algae didn't come back. Amber red-eye wrote: > > > Do you fertilize? > > Try seachem gravel fertilizer tablets. If you look hard you will find > a good deal online > > Regards, > > red-eye > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:46 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a plant > > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's > decaying or something else... > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39983	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria

Were you able to talk to the lady/recipient? I hope she has a BIG pond. Koi get HUGE... up to 3' long or more and need 500G per adult fish. Many extreme northern folks over-winter their Koi in indoor ponds built in their garages or basements... especially if they are expensive show Koi. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Live aquaria Okay, I'm curious about something. I emailed Live aquaria a few months back asking if they will ship to my zip code, and I was told no they will only ship plants to me, as it takes 2 days for an overnight shipment to arrive. So if that is the case, then why did we just deliver 2 boxes of Koi to a woman in town yesterday? Do Koi have less health issues when traveling? Or perhaps they shipped hers without a live arrival guarantee, even though they told me no they won't ship to me at all except plants.... she's in the same zip code that I am ;) How unfair ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39984	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria

No I didn't deliver the box, I asked the other courier what was in it though ;) She had asked when delivering it, because were were all curious if it was fish. She did say that they were for her pond, but no idea how big of one. Live aquaria is having a sale on their "normal" unfancy koi though, so she probably got those ones ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Were you able to talk to the lady/recipient? I hope she has a BIG pond. > Koi get HUGE... up to 3' long or more and need 500G per adult fish. Many > extreme northern folks over-winter their Koi in indoor ponds built in > their > garages or basements... especially if they are expensive show Koi. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live aquaria > > Okay, I'm curious about something. > I emailed Live aquaria a few months back asking if they will ship to > my zip > code, and I was told no they will only ship plants to me, as it takes > 2 days > for an overnight shipment to arrive. > So if that is the case, then why did we just deliver 2 boxes of Koi to a > woman in town yesterday? Do Koi have less health issues when traveling? > Or perhaps they shipped hers without a live arrival guarantee, even though > they told me no they won't ship to me at all except plants.... > she's in the same zip code that I am ;) > How unfair ;) LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39985	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light items > among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I could find > a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which utilized styrofoam > which they covered in cement and considered that but worried it would take > up too much of the water space as the foam has to be rather thick to carve > it properly, though we do have a HUGE supply of it from our kennel facility > project of insulating all the dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high > stacks of the stuff. LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to > carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going to > trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as he needs > it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue so I'll fix that > easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, > too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback > on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on > flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a > couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel > as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants > into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the > back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may > be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight > materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the > appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up > over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at > the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39986	From: Byron	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a plant

I had a sword plant do this only recently, apparently because I had inadvertently buried the crown too far into the gravel when I last moved it. I removed the leaves (they practically fell away when touched as they had rotted through at the base) pulled the crown up above the gravel and new leaves immediately began appearing. But I agree that too little plant trace element fertilizer can also cause this. Byron. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > One of my new plants in the 55 gallon is starting to decay it appears, > but at the very base of the stalks near the gravel. Should I just toss > the whole plant out now or trim it somehow? The top of the plant is > fine, green and growing well, but it appears that the base of it near > the roots has a filmy white growth around it, not sure if it's decaying > or something else... > I can take a picture after work if someone wants to see it in "person". > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39987	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read the rest... it's a man thing.. lol Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, that use foam. http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to Aquascaping Ideas section) http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 / http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few thousand more hits. As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank lighter, not heavier. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light > items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I > could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which > utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that > but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam > has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE > supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the > dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. > LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going > to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as > he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue > so I'll fix that easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft > pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love > feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and > fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation > look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out > and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something > or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and > mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight > may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more > lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but > still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not > sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a > bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39988	From: Suzi	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Great DIY, I saved. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Harl Myers To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light items > among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I could find > a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which utilized styrofoam > which they covered in cement and considered that but worried it would take > up too much of the water space as the foam has to be rather thick to carve > it properly, though we do have a HUGE supply of it from our kennel facility > project of insulating all the dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high > stacks of the stuff. LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to > carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going to > trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as he needs > it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue so I'll fix that > easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, > too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback > on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on > flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a > couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel > as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants > into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the > back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may > be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight > materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the > appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up > over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at > the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39989	From: Suzi	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

No problem Lenny.. LOL! more great DIY, thanks Lenny. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read the rest... it's a man thing.. lol Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, that use foam. http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to Aquascaping Ideas section) http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 / http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few thousand more hits. As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank lighter, not heavier. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light > items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I > could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which > utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that > but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam > has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE > supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the > dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. > LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going > to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as > he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue > so I'll fix that easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft > pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love > feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and > fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation > look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out > and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something > or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and > mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight > may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more > lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but > still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not > sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a > bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39990	From: red-eye	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: testing for Iron

How does one test for iron? I do not recall ever seeing an API (or other) test kit. Regards, red-eye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39991	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Thanks! That is very cool. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Harl Myers To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light items > among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I could find > a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which utilized styrofoam > which they covered in cement and considered that but worried it would take > up too much of the water space as the foam has to be rather thick to carve > it properly, though we do have a HUGE supply of it from our kennel facility > project of insulating all the dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high > stacks of the stuff. LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to > carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going to > trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as he needs > it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue so I'll fix that > easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, > too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback > on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on > flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a > couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel > as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants > into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the > back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may > be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight > materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the > appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up > over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at > the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39992	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: testing for Iron

I just googled "iron test kit" (without quotes, and a number of them came up--Hagen, Seachem, Hach were among the names found. Just as a side note, Hach is the manufacturer of reagents found in many test kits used for testing water. There are a few others as well. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:53 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] testing for Iron How does one test for iron? I do not recall ever seeing an API (or other) test kit. Regards, red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39993	From: bruce cohen	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: divers den

beweare of it things are not whysiwyg the ora coral are pics taken with a 20,000k light which is a blue light so if the coral is red then you are going to see a purple coral if the coral is purple then it is maroon coral so for those of you who are intrested in ora corals use this link to see what the true colors are going to be then use your imagination for the size of the frag that you are buying. www.oracorals.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39994	From: red-eye	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

It sure is – what a great idea. I like what he did between the pieces as well. It adds another dimension to the tank. Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Thanks! That is very cool. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Harl Myers To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi <http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm> com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@netonecom. <mailto:ford%40netonecom.net> net> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light items > among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I could find > a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which utilized styrofoam > which they covered in cement and considered that but worried it would take > up too much of the water space as the foam has to be rather thick to carve > it properly, though we do have a HUGE supply of it from our kennel facility > project of insulating all the dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high > stacks of the stuff. LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to > carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going to > trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as he needs > it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue so I'll fix that > easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft pics. I, > too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love feedback > on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and fastening on > flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation look. Also taking a > couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out and covered with gravel > as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something or other' to plant live plants > into. Then taking this plexiglass and mounting it permanently right onto the > back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight may > be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more lightweight > materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but still add to the > appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not sure that would hold up > over time. Would it? I went and collected a bunch of interesting pieces at > the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoeho <http://www.howtoehow.com> w.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39995	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Hello guys   So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion that ones all thats done  placing the fish back in the tank will cause me all the fish? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once it's in the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but there are also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an African Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed coral or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be enough and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be adverse to the fish's health. Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your water utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my plants and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > you > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > or change pH > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > affect the pH of > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > un turned! > > Bill > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > of > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39996	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) Amber biG poppa wrote: > > > Hello guys > > So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea > to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the > gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do > restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion > that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause > me all the fish? > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > > You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've > seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is > know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once > it's in > the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While > there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much > higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but > there are > also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on > keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an > African > Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with > everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed > coral > or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix > with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using > bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be > enough > and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be > adverse to > the fish's health. > > Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline > testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your > water > utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your > water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep > the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my > plants > and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can > keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but > as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > > you > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > > > or change pH > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > > > affect the pH of > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > > > un turned! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > > of > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39997	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Thanks, Lenny! Going to check these out now as well. Wondering if cork would be a suitable material for in an aquarium? Could cover that with the black silicone? Could layer that and then carve and coat... Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read the rest... it's a man thing.. lol Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, that use foam. http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to Aquascaping Ideas section) http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 / http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few thousand more hits. As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank lighter, not heavier. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm You might find this interesting... On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light > items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I > could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which > utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that > but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam > has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE > supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the > dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. > LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual rocks vs one wall piece. > > I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going > to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as > he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue > so I'll fix that easy enough. > > - Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzi > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Thanks so much Janet! :) > > I have a question about your possible project... > do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Ford > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft > pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! > > I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love > feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... > > For 55 gallon tank: > I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and > fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation > look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out > and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something > or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and > mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. > > Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight > may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more > lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but > still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not > sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a > bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. > > Janet > Michigan > > http://www.howtoehow.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39998	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

i guess I'm having issues with water quality and bio loads she also wants to change the look of it..I think the wife been stubborn .lmao I do pwc 25% every two weeks and vacuum gravel at least ones a month. and yes i have tried crush coral it did not help   --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:49 PM You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) Amber biG poppa wrote: > > > Hello guys > > So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea > to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the > gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do > restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion > that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause > me all the fish? > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > > You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've > seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is > know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once > it's in > the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While > there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much > higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but > there are > also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on > keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an > African > Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with > everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed > coral > or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix > with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using > bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be > enough > and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be > adverse to > the fish's health. > > Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline > testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your > water > utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your > water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep > the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my > plants > and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can > keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but > as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > > you > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > > > or change pH > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > > > affect the pH of > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > > > un turned! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > > of > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 39999	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Bill just posted a way to completely clean your gravel in 5 PWC's, or I suggest 4. I think 25% at a time would be fine, after all if you really need to clean the gravel so intensely, the bio-load will drop as 25% is cleaned, next week another 25% and so on till done. By using a larger hose and sucking out the gravel and washing it, is a bit of work, but less than a tear down like you are thinking of, and a lot easier on the fish. In a perfect world we would do our maintenance chores so well that it would never need to happen, but my world is far from perfect... So just do it in steps and the end product will be a very clean tank, and you will still have fish. As taking out the decorations to clean, and cleaning the glass and filters can easily be done with fish in the tank. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > > You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they > will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will > have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into > a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to > slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring > the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will > keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow > drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or > you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, > and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you > dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when > I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). > Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean > the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank > that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) > > Amber > > biG poppa wrote: >> >> >> Hello guys >> >> So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea >> to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the >> gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do >> restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion >> that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause >> me all the fish? >> >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility >> of water changes. >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM >> >> You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've >> seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is >> know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once >> it's in >> the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While >> there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much >> higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but >> there are >> also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on >> keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an >> African >> Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with >> everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed >> coral >> or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix >> with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using >> bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be >> enough >> and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be >> adverse to >> the fish's health. >> >> Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline >> testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your >> water >> utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your >> water. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. >> com] On >> Behalf Of biG poppa >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> water changes. >> >> I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep >> the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering >> solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my >> plants >> and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can >> keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but >> as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. >> >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: >> >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> water changes. >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM >> >> Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I >> >> didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. >> >> Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea >> >> gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars >> >> with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in >> >> there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out >> >> anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few >> >> times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. >> >> Amber >> >> bill1433 wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Amber, >> >> > >> >> > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do >> > you >> >> > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer >> >> > or change pH >> >> > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will >> >> > affect the pH of >> >> > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone >> >> > un turned! >> >> > >> >> > Bill >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility >> >> > of water changes. >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> > com> >> >> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM >> >> > >> >> > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water >> >> > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will >> > of >> >> > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. >> >> > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a >> >> > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? >> >> > >> >> > Amber >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40000	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

also bill and amber when i started the tank back in early 2008 i did not make for live plants that was not part of the plan"newbie mistake" i just added plain gravel from Wall mart and purchase a filter from  there  two 40-60 gallon grade.   three months later i started to do research on live plants and loved the idea of having plants so i started to add plants from a Friend of mine that runs a discuss hatchery he gave me a bucket load of plants.     there were all my trouble started. i loaded that tank with plants not knowing proper maintenance on each species"newbie mistake" some rotted away some grow" i saw my Ph drooping like there was no tomorrow. started adding pH additives no help it only worked for a few days. later i started introducing fish with coroutine them"newbie mistake" i went throw ick infestation. fungus the works. spend several months adding medications"all kinds" newbie mistake"   Now my wife wanted to add a plant friendly  Flourite but to do this the tank needs to be empty the whole deal.   and thats the rest of the story!! --- On Sat, 5/2/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 4:05 PM i guess I'm having issues with water quality and bio loads she also wants to change the look of it..I think the wife been stubborn .lmao I do pwc 25% every two weeks and vacuum gravel at least ones a month. and yes i have tried crush coral it did not help   --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:49 PM You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) Amber biG poppa wrote: > > > Hello guys > > So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea > to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the > gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do > restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion > that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause > me all the fish? > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > > You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've > seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is > know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once > it's in > the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While > there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much > higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but > there are > also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on > keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an > African > Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with > everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed > coral > or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix > with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using > bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be > enough > and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be > adverse to > the fish's health. > > Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline > testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your > water > utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your > water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > > I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep > the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my > plants > and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can > keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but > as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > > you > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > > > or change pH > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > > > affect the pH of > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > > > un turned! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > > of > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > > > > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40001	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Well if you want a different color gravel, change 25% a week. Replace decorations with what you want. If you want to change the entire set up drastically and have different fish types, Mumba tank or something, then rehome fish to LFS if needed be and do as the lady suggests, tear it down and start over on something new... On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:05 PM, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > i guess I'm having issues with water quality and bio loads she also wants to > change the look of it..I think the wife been stubborn .lmao > I do pwc 25% every two weeks and vacuum gravel at least ones a month. and > yes i have tried crush coral it did not help > > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:49 PM > > You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they > will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will > have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into > a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to > slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring > the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will > keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow > drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or > you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, > and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you > dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when > I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). > Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean > the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank > that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) > > Amber > > biG poppa wrote: >> >> >> Hello guys >> >> So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea >> to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the >> gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do >> restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion >> that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause >> me all the fish? >> >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility >> of water changes. >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM >> >> You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've >> seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is >> know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once >> it's in >> the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While >> there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much >> higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but >> there are >> also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on >> keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an >> African >> Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with >> everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed >> coral >> or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix >> with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using >> bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be >> enough >> and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be >> adverse to >> the fish's health. >> >> Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline >> testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your >> water >> utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your >> water. >> >> Lenny Vasbinder >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> com] On >> Behalf Of biG poppa >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> water changes. >> >> I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep >> the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering >> solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my >> plants >> and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can >> keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but >> as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. >> >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> wrote: >> >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of >> water changes. >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM >> >> Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I >> >> didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. >> >> Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea >> >> gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars >> >> with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in >> >> there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out >> >> anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few >> >> times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. >> >> Amber >> >> bill1433 wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Amber, >> >> > >> >> > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do >> > you >> >> > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer >> >> > or change pH >> >> > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will >> >> > affect the pH of >> >> > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone >> >> > un turned! >> >> > >> >> > Bill >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com >> >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility >> >> > of water changes. >> >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. >> > com> >> >> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM >> >> > >> >> > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water >> >> > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will >> > of >> >> > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. >> >> > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a >> >> > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? >> >> > >> >> > Amber >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40002	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

If you start over make sure you do it quickly if you want to keep your filter cycled and use the same filter, that way you'll have a quicker start up time with the new fish. While you are tearing the tank down keep the fish in a large tupperware container from walmart or something, and keep the filter going on the side of the tub, so it stays cycled and keeps the water oxygenated and such for the fish. Then after you have everything out of the tank and the flourite in it, take the fish to the LFS or a whomever is going to rehome them, or if you're going to keep the fish you will still have to gradually add water from the cleaned out tank so that the fish can adjust to the new pH and other tank parameters slowly. Or you can also do it slowly, adding a little gravel at a time while you take the old gravel out, it won't matter to the fish or plants if some of it mixes. But if you don't like the look of the 2 gravel's mixed you will probably have to do a complete tear down on the tank. Also you want to do your PWC's more often (weekly, as well as your gravel cleaning) that's probably part of your water issues as well, I clean all my tanks weekly, I start with the filter, then after the filter is clean I will syphon the gravel clean with the python, and then I refill the tank with fresh water. If you have a heavily planted tank with flourite in it (this is in the future if/when you change your set up) you can do your gravel vacuuming less if the plants are well rooted in the flourite, but if you don't have many plants you want to make sure to keep your gravel cleaner as that's where all the leftover food and poop end up, and then they mix and all sorts of terrible things can happen in the tank after that. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > > Well if you want a different color gravel, change 25% a week. Replace > decorations with what you want. If you want to change the entire set > up drastically and have different fish types, Mumba tank or something, > then rehome fish to LFS if needed be and do as the lady suggests, tear > it down and start over on something new... > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:05 PM, biG poppa <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > i guess I'm having issues with water quality and bio loads she also > wants to > > change the look of it..I think the wife been stubborn .lmao > > I do pwc 25% every two weeks and vacuum gravel at least ones a > month. and > > yes i have tried crush coral it did not help > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > > water changes. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > You are right, changing everything at once will shock your fish and they > > will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that badly you will > > have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and the fish into > > a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you would have to > > slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank parameters and bring > > the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just cleaned, that will > > keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either do a slow > > drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water parameters, or > > you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish from your LFS, > > and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either way you > > dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have known better when > > I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). > > Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you slowly clean > > the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with your 40g tank > > that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) > > > > Amber > > > > biG poppa wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hello guys > >> > >> So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea > >> to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the > >> gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do > >> restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion > >> that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause > >> me all the fish? > >> > >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > >> <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > >> of water changes. > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. com> > >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > >> > >> You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've > >> seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should > do is > >> know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once > >> it's in > >> the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. > While > >> there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a > much > >> higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but > >> there are > >> also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should > concentrate on > >> keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an > >> African > >> Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start > with > >> everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed > >> coral > >> or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph > raising mix > >> with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using > >> bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be > >> enough > >> and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be > >> adverse to > >> the fish's health. > >> > >> Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour > baseline > >> testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your > >> water > >> utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your > >> water. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > >> com] On > >> Behalf Of biG poppa > >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > >> water changes. > >> > >> I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i > can't keep > >> the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH > buffering > >> solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my > >> plants > >> and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also > i can > >> keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very > alkaline but > >> as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes > acidic. > >> > >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> wrote: > >> > >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of > >> water changes. > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > >> > >> Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I > >> > >> didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > >> > >> Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea > >> > >> gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars > >> > >> with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in > >> > >> there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out > >> > >> anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few > >> > >> times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> bill1433 wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Hi Amber, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and > decorations do > >> > you > >> > >> > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will > buffer > >> > >> > or change pH > >> > >> > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > >> > >> > affect the pH of > >> > >> > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > >> > >> > un turned! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Bill > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > >> > >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > >> > >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > >> > >> > of water changes. > >> > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > >> > com> > >> > >> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > >> > >> > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > >> > of > >> > >> > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > >> > >> > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > >> > >> > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Amber > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40003	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Live aquaria

why not call them and ask? Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:35 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Live aquaria Okay, I'm curious about something. I emailed Live aquaria a few months back asking if they will ship to my zip code, and I was told no they will only ship plants to me, as it takes 2 days for an overnight shipment to arrive. So if that is the case, then why did we just deliver 2 boxes of Koi to a woman in town yesterday? Do Koi have less health issues when traveling? Or perhaps they shipped hers without a live arrival guarantee, even though they told me no they won't ship to me at all except plants.... she's in the same zip code that I am ;) How unfair ;) LOL Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·. ¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40004	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Right-O! Unless you use something like One and Only to recover lost bacteria. Bill --- On Sat, 5/2/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:36 PM > Hello guys >   > So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the > crazy idea to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants > empty it remove the gravel then clean it.. I advised her > that the fish we have will die do restarting the eco system > in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion that ones all thats > done  placing the fish back in the tank will cause me all > the fish? > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > > > > > > > > > You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet > stores. As you've > seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks > should do is > know their tap water baseline and what their water will be > like once it's in > the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water > chemistry. While > there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids > that NEED a much > higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started > with, but there are > also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should > concentrate on > keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go > with an African > Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from > the start with > everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to > having crushed coral > or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a > hardness/ph raising mix > with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the > tank. Using > bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will > simply not be enough > and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which > would be adverse to > the fish's health. > > Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 > hour baseline > testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting > info from your water > utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is > happening with your > water. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ > yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of > water changes. > > I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 > but i can't keep > the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from > pH buffering > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to > do with my plants > and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the > time.. also i can > keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is > very alkaline but > as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and > becomes acidic. > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > com> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of > water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have > blood drawn I > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have > regular pea > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in > pots and jars > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank > (it was in > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach > out > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the > dishwasher a few > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel > and decorations do > > you > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things > which will buffer > > > or change pH > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand > fulls will > > > affect the pH of > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and > leave no stone > > > un turned! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- > fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility > > > of water changes. > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like > my tap water > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my > thought.... I will > > of > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been > crazy for me. > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the > baseline in? Will a > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket > for some reason? > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40005	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Ok-------------almost! Since most of the good bacteria resides in only the TOP portion of the gravel, not too much will be lost. However, under no conditions do anything to your power filter, with this method. This WILL result in a substantial amount of good bacteria being lost and might very well start a mini-cycle within the tank. Remember you are removing and cleaning; the bacteria in this case WILL be removed and that could non-balance the tank. Bill --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 4:05 PM > Bill just posted a way to completely > clean your gravel in 5 PWC's, or > I suggest 4.  I think 25% at a time would be fine, > after all if you > really need to clean the gravel so intensely, the bio-load > will drop > as 25% is cleaned, next week another 25% and so on till > done.  By > using a larger hose and sucking out the gravel and washing > it, is a > bit of work, but less than a tear down like you are > thinking of, and a > lot easier on the fish.  In a perfect world we would > do our > maintenance chores so well that it would never need to > happen, but my > world is far from perfect... > > So just do it in steps and the end product will be a very > clean tank, > and you will still have fish.  As taking out the > decorations to clean, > and cleaning the glass and filters can easily be done with > fish in the > tank. > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Amber Berglund <amber@...> > wrote: > > > > > > You are right, changing everything at once will shock > your fish and they > > will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank > that badly you will > > have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water > and the fish into > > a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you > would have to > > slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank > parameters and bring > > the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just > cleaned, that will > > keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to > either do a slow > > drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new > water parameters, or > > you can float them in a bag like you do when you get > fish from your LFS, > > and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. > Either way you > > dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have > known better when > > I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). > > Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if > you slowly clean > > the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty > with your 40g tank > > that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) > > > > Amber > > > > biG poppa wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hello guys > >> > >> So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife > had the crazy idea > >> to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants > empty it remove the > >> gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish > we have will die do > >> restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right > in the asssumtion > >> that ones all thats done placing the fish back in > the tank will cause > >> me all the fish? > >> > >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > >> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility > >> of water changes. > >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > >> > >> You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the > pet stores. As you've > >> seen, they do not work very well. The best thing > most folks should do is > >> know their tap water baseline and what their water > will be like once > >> it's in > >> the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of > water chemistry. While > >> there are certainly a lot of fish like African > Cichlids that NEED a much > >> higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you > started with, but > >> there are > >> also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and > you should concentrate on > >> keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely > wanted to go with an > >> African > >> Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the > tank from the start with > >> everything from using crushed coral in your > gravel, to having crushed > >> coral > >> or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a > hardness/ph raising mix > >> with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness > up in the tank. Using > >> bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores > will simply not be > >> enough > >> and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy > which would be > >> adverse to > >> the fish's health. > >> > >> Since you've been reading this thread, you should > do the 48 hour baseline > >> testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), > getting info from your > >> water > >> utility, etc... so you can learn more about what > is happening with your > >> water. > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are listed on the right > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > >> com] On > >> Behalf Of biG poppa > >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > >> water changes. > >> > >> I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH > is 8.5 but i can't keep > >> the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried > everything from pH buffering > >> solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has > a lot to do with my > >> plants > >> and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter > all the time.. also i can > >> keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap > water is very alkaline but > >> as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the > alkilinity and becomes acidic. > >> > >> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: > >> > >> From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > com> > >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility of > >> water changes. > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > >> > >> Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to > have blood drawn I > >> > >> didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > >> > >> Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, > I have regular pea > >> > >> gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are > planted in pots and jars > >> > >> with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in > the tank (it was in > >> > >> there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going > to leach out > >> > >> anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in > the dishwasher a few > >> > >> times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it > sink. > >> > >> Amber > >> > >> bill1433 wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Hi Amber, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of > gravel and decorations do > >> > you > >> > >> > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of > things which will buffer > >> > >> > or change pH > >> > >> > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well > placed hand fulls will > >> > >> > affect the pH of > >> > >> > even a 55. In a case like yours, check > everything and leave no stone > >> > >> > un turned! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Bill > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose- fields. com > >> > >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. > com > >> > >> > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my > local water and possibility > >> > >> > of water changes. > >> > >> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > >> > com> > >> > >> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it > seems like my tap water > >> > >> > should be somewhat near there, at least > that's my thought.... I will > >> > of > >> > >> > course get the baseline numbers, this week > has been crazy for me. > >> > >> > Does it matter how big of a container I start > the baseline in? Will a > >> > >> > large cup full of water do it or do I need a > bucket for some reason? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Amber > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40006	From: bill1433	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

Hi again biG poppa, You may have seen other posts from me about live plants BUT to add them to an established aquarium requires thought as to how much light or little each type needs. Please remember also that plants are living things that require certain temperature, pH, hardness, just the same as fish do. When you view a beautifully planted tank that is in excellent health your also looking at one other thing. The owner of that tank has learned what to bring in and blend with what to give that tank that appealing look. He has learned what fish will do best with what type of plants,and visa vs. a. This is no trick, it is an Art Form, and sometimes not that easy to achieve.. Bill --- On Sat, 5/2/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 4:31 PM > also bill and amber > when i started the tank back in early 2008 i did not make > for live plants that was not part of the plan"newbie > mistake" i just added plain gravel from Wall mart and > purchase a filter from  there  two 40-60 gallon grade. >   > three months later i started to do research on live plants > and loved the idea of having plants so i started to add > plants from a Friend of mine that runs a discuss hatchery > he gave me a bucket load of plants. >   >   > there were all my trouble started. i loaded that tank with > plants not knowing proper maintenance on each species"newbie > mistake" some rotted away some grow" i saw my Ph drooping > like there was no tomorrow. started adding pH additives no > help it only worked for a few days. later i started > introducing fish with coroutine them"newbie mistake" i went > throw ick infestation. fungus the works. spend several > months adding medications"all kinds" newbie mistake" >   > Now my wife wanted to add a plant friendly  Flourite but > to do this the tank needs to be empty the whole deal. >   > and thats the rest of the story!! > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> > wrote: > > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 4:05 PM > > > > > > > > > i guess I'm having issues with water quality and bio loads > she also wants to change the look of it..I think the wife > been stubborn .lmao > I do pwc 25% every two weeks and vacuum gravel at least > ones a month. and yes i have tried crush coral it did not > help >   > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. > com> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and > possibility of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 3:49 PM > > You are right, changing everything at once will shock your > fish and they > will most likely die. If you want to clean the tank that > badly you will > have to move some of the gravel, the filter, the water and > the fish into > a new tank, while you clean out the old tank, then you > would have to > slowly acclimate your fish back to the "new" tank > parameters and bring > the filter and gravel back to the "new" tank you just > cleaned, that will > keep the tank cycled for your fish. You will have to either > do a slow > drip method to acclimate your fish back to the new water > parameters, or > you can float them in a bag like you do when you get fish > from your LFS, > and slowly add water to the bag while it's floating. Either > way you > dont' want to quickly change everything, I should have > known better when > I did it, obviously I paid a price (most of my fish). > Be careful, often times it's better for your fish if you > slowly clean > the tank while they are still in it. What's so dirty with > your 40g tank > that your wife wants to clean it so badly? ;) > > Amber > > biG poppa wrote: > > > > > > Hello guys > > > > So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had > the crazy idea > > to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty > it remove the > > gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we > have will die do > > restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in > the asssumtion > > that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the > tank will cause > > me all the fish? > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility > > of water changes. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM > > > > You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet > stores. As you've > > seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most > folks should do is > > know their tap water baseline and what their water > will be like once > > it's in > > the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of > water chemistry. While > > there are certainly a lot of fish like African > Cichlids that NEED a much > > higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you > started with, but > > there are > > also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you > should concentrate on > > keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted > to go with an > > African > > Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank > from the start with > > everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to > having crushed > > coral > > or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a > hardness/ph raising mix > > with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up > in the tank. Using > > bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores > will simply not be > > enough > > and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy > which would be > > adverse to > > the fish's health. > > > > Since you've been reading this thread, you should do > the 48 hour baseline > > testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), > getting info from your > > water > > utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is > happening with your > > water. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. > > com] On > > Behalf Of biG poppa > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility of > > water changes. > > > > I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is > 8.5 but i can't keep > > the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything > from pH buffering > > solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a > lot to do with my > > plants > > and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all > the time.. also i can > > keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water > is very alkaline but > > as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity > and becomes acidic. > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- > fields. com> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water > and possibility of > > water changes. > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM > > > > Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have > blood drawn I > > > > didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. > > > > Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I > have regular pea > > > > gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted > in pots and jars > > > > with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the > tank (it was in > > > > there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to > leach out > > > > anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the > dishwasher a few > > > > times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it > sink. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of > gravel and decorations do > > > you > > > > > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of > things which will buffer > > > > > or change pH > > > > > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed > hand fulls will > > > > > affect the pH of > > > > > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything > and leave no stone > > > > > un turned! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund > <amber@rose- fields. com > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > > > > > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local > water and possibility > > > > > of water changes. > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > > com> > > > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems > like my tap water > > > > > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my > thought.... I will > > > of > > > > > course get the baseline numbers, this week has > been crazy for me. > > > > > Does it matter how big of a container I start the > baseline in? Will a > > > > > large cup full of water do it or do I need a > bucket for some reason? > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40007	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Amber's Aquarium Problems

The problems with Amber's 55 gallon aquarium have moved into several threads now, and this is an attempt to try to tie everything together. I hope, in this attempt, that I am not leaving anything out, since some of these threads are very long. 1. We have the original post, which is about her tank developing green water. 2. The next thing brought to our attention was the loss of some fish, preceded by unusual behavior in others, and a case of what is described as fin and tail rot. 3. Finally, we have the mysterious rotting of a new plant in her tank. The first problem brought to our attention is the green water. Amber has some pretty hefty lighting on that tank consisting of compact fluorescent bulbs of a high color temperature (the number escapes me now) and actinic blue lamps. This tank has been set up for some time now, and the lighting scheme she has seems to be doing the tank well. Well, that is, until she added some new plants to the tank. Shortly after that addition, the green water developed. As it turns out, when problem 3 is brought to light, there is mention by Amber in that thread that she added fertilizer to the substrate for her plants. Up until that moment, we had been floundering around looking for a cause of this sudden growth of suspended algae. We were actually barking up the wrong tree, it seems. It was probably the addition of the fertilizer that threw the tank out of balance, and enabled the algae to get a toehold and then explode to a luxuriant growth. Left alone, when the excess food (fertilizer) was used up, the growth of the algae would have been curtailed, and, eventually, disappear. The lack of that information about the fertilizer left us at a distinct disadvantage in helping Amber. Amber also embarked on a regimen of frequent water changes, which is not normally recommended in a situation like this. Patience is the recommended course. This brought into sharper focus the conditions of the water she was adding, and it was thought that the water may have a high CO2 concentration. Further investigation of this point shows that this may not be the case. Water will outgas a number of gasses which will appear as the bubbles that Amber reported. The bubbles may not have been caused by CO2, but oxygen. The warmer the water the less oxygen it can carry, and the excess will outgas, just as a high concentration of CO2 will. This is most frequently seen when adding cold water, and allowing it to warm in the tank. The oxygen will come out, and form bubbles as well as outgas to the atmosphere. Discussions with her local water people brought out that the water she gets has a pH of 7.3-7.4 in a holding tank near her home. Soda ash is added to the water to increase the pH to help the water department preserve its pipes (a common occurrence when the water is acidic to start). Amber's tank has a pH in the low to mid 6's. The buffer added to the water by the water department will be used up in a relatively short period of time. This is OK, so long as it lasts long enough to get through their pipes, it is OK. (This is why we recommend that you do not try to alter your pH, since the same thing will happen in your tank--the buffer will get used up, and the water will fall to its natural pH, or lower, and will do this rapidly without constant buffer additions. Really more trouble than it is worth.) Amber has added a piece of coral to the tank to help maintain a higher pH. This is a recommended practice, since the calcium from coral will be available over the long term, and the amount released will depend on the pH level of the water. An equilibrium will be reached and maintained. The one fact we do not yet know is the pH of the water before it is treated with the soda ash. While this information is not critical, it would be nice to know, and with it we can further determine the approximate pH level of her tank long term. The fish she keeps should be based on this pH, as well as other factors. Do keep in mind that fish can do well in a pH that is out of their range according to the literature, though they may not do so spectacularly. The fin and tail rot is an interesting sidelight here. It appeared to have occurred after Amber did several water changes in a matter of hours. Amber had noted that her corys did not seem to be reacting well to the situation in her 55. After doing what I recall amounted to a near 100% water change in a series of water changes over several hours, she awoke the next morning to disaster in her tank. This put a tremendous amount of stress on her fish, if from nothing else, just from the change in the pH of the water. A number of her fish died, probably adding to the stressing of the other fish, not because they died, but because of any decomposition that occurred prior to Amber removing the bodies from the tank.. The rest seem to have developed the fin and tail rot. Amber chose to treat with a combination of the *fix's and the fish remaining do seem to be recovering. I cannot say that her treatment is helping or not, normally only Melafix is recommended, but a big help is probably that her water quality is returning to normal for that tank. Finally, we have the problem that one of her new plants is rotting at the substrate level. It has not been mentioned if this is a rooted plant or not. Rooted plants normally need to be planted with the crown (the area between the roots and stem(s) of the plant) above the substrate. There are some exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb to follow. If the plant does not have the crown above the substrate, the rot that Amber is seeing is caused by the depth of the planting. That some fungus may have appeared at the place of the rot is not unusual--this is the white line that Amber reported. I believe that she has now removed the new plants, which is unfortunate, as they may have been saved by replanting properly. It was also in this thread that she mentioned the fertilizer, and that was likely the cause of her initial problem, and not, per se, the addition of the two new plants. One must remember that she did not treat the plants at all prior to adding them to the tank, and this led to a jump off a precipitous cliff to end up at the conclusion that the plants were the cause of her problems. Indirectly, they were, but not in the way originally thought. Normally, she says, she rinses the plants in fresh water prior to adding them to the tank. If one is looking to remove snails, snail eggs, and other critters one may not want in an aquarium, a bath in a potassium permanganate solution would be the proper course to follow. One big lesson everyone can take away from this mishap to Amber is to provide us with all the information available when reporting a problem in your tank. Amber did not mention the addition of fertilizer to her tank, though she did mention the new plants. In my mind, this was a huge omission, and we went down many paths leading to dead ends while trying to help her. Another lesson to learn is that water changes are not necessarily the best method to try to resolve a problem. In some cases, water changes are indicated as a big help. In other cases, they can do more harm than good. Also, if one water change is good, two are not necessarily better. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40008	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems

Sounds like a pretty good summary. Hopefully, Amber will reply letting us know that all is well, now, in the 55G and all the fish are healing up well or doing fine, with no more losses. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Amber's Aquarium Problems The problems with Amber's 55 gallon aquarium have moved into several threads now, and this is an attempt to try to tie everything together. I hope, in this attempt, that I am not leaving anything out, since some of these threads are very long. 1. We have the original post, which is about her tank developing green water. 2. The next thing brought to our attention was the loss of some fish, preceded by unusual behavior in others, and a case of what is described as fin and tail rot. 3. Finally, we have the mysterious rotting of a new plant in her tank. The first problem brought to our attention is the green water. Amber has some pretty hefty lighting on that tank consisting of compact fluorescent bulbs of a high color temperature (the number escapes me now) and actinic blue lamps. This tank has been set up for some time now, and the lighting scheme she has seems to be doing the tank well. Well, that is, until she added some new plants to the tank. Shortly after that addition, the green water developed. As it turns out, when problem 3 is brought to light, there is mention by Amber in that thread that she added fertilizer to the substrate for her plants. Up until that moment, we had been floundering around looking for a cause of this sudden growth of suspended algae. We were actually barking up the wrong tree, it seems. It was probably the addition of the fertilizer that threw the tank out of balance, and enabled the algae to get a toehold and then explode to a luxuriant growth. Left alone, when the excess food (fertilizer) was used up, the growth of the algae would have been curtailed, and, eventually, disappear. The lack of that information about the fertilizer left us at a distinct disadvantage in helping Amber. Amber also embarked on a regimen of frequent water changes, which is not normally recommended in a situation like this. Patience is the recommended course. This brought into sharper focus the conditions of the water she was adding, and it was thought that the water may have a high CO2 concentration. Further investigation of this point shows that this may not be the case. Water will outgas a number of gasses which will appear as the bubbles that Amber reported. The bubbles may not have been caused by CO2, but oxygen. The warmer the water the less oxygen it can carry, and the excess will outgas, just as a high concentration of CO2 will. This is most frequently seen when adding cold water, and allowing it to warm in the tank. The oxygen will come out, and form bubbles as well as outgas to the atmosphere. Discussions with her local water people brought out that the water she gets has a pH of 7.3-7.4 in a holding tank near her home. Soda ash is added to the water to increase the pH to help the water department preserve its pipes (a common occurrence when the water is acidic to start). Amber's tank has a pH in the low to mid 6's. The buffer added to the water by the water department will be used up in a relatively short period of time. This is OK, so long as it lasts long enough to get through their pipes, it is OK. (This is why we recommend that you do not try to alter your pH, since the same thing will happen in your tank--the buffer will get used up, and the water will fall to its natural pH, or lower, and will do this rapidly without constant buffer additions. Really more trouble than it is worth.) Amber has added a piece of coral to the tank to help maintain a higher pH. This is a recommended practice, since the calcium from coral will be available over the long term, and the amount released will depend on the pH level of the water. An equilibrium will be reached and maintained. The one fact we do not yet know is the pH of the water before it is treated with the soda ash. While this information is not critical, it would be nice to know, and with it we can further determine the approximate pH level of her tank long term. The fish she keeps should be based on this pH, as well as other factors. Do keep in mind that fish can do well in a pH that is out of their range according to the literature, though they may not do so spectacularly. The fin and tail rot is an interesting sidelight here. It appeared to have occurred after Amber did several water changes in a matter of hours. Amber had noted that her corys did not seem to be reacting well to the situation in her 55. After doing what I recall amounted to a near 100% water change in a series of water changes over several hours, she awoke the next morning to disaster in her tank. This put a tremendous amount of stress on her fish, if from nothing else, just from the change in the pH of the water. A number of her fish died, probably adding to the stressing of the other fish, not because they died, but because of any decomposition that occurred prior to Amber removing the bodies from the tank.. The rest seem to have developed the fin and tail rot. Amber chose to treat with a combination of the *fix's and the fish remaining do seem to be recovering. I cannot say that her treatment is helping or not, normally only Melafix is recommended, but a big help is probably that her water quality is returning to normal for that tank. Finally, we have the problem that one of her new plants is rotting at the substrate level. It has not been mentioned if this is a rooted plant or not. Rooted plants normally need to be planted with the crown (the area between the roots and stem(s) of the plant) above the substrate. There are some exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb to follow. If the plant does not have the crown above the substrate, the rot that Amber is seeing is caused by the depth of the planting. That some fungus may have appeared at the place of the rot is not unusual--this is the white line that Amber reported. I believe that she has now removed the new plants, which is unfortunate, as they may have been saved by replanting properly. It was also in this thread that she mentioned the fertilizer, and that was likely the cause of her initial problem, and not, per se, the addition of the two new plants. One must remember that she did not treat the plants at all prior to adding them to the tank, and this led to a jump off a precipitous cliff to end up at the conclusion that the plants were the cause of her problems. Indirectly, they were, but not in the way originally thought. Normally, she says, she rinses the plants in fresh water prior to adding them to the tank. If one is looking to remove snails, snail eggs, and other critters one may not want in an aquarium, a bath in a potassium permanganate solution would be the proper course to follow. One big lesson everyone can take away from this mishap to Amber is to provide us with all the information available when reporting a problem in your tank. Amber did not mention the addition of fertilizer to her tank, though she did mention the new plants. In my mind, this was a huge omission, and we went down many paths leading to dead ends while trying to help her. Another lesson to learn is that water changes are not necessarily the best method to try to resolve a problem. In some cases, water changes are indicated as a big help. In other cases, they can do more harm than good. Also, if one water change is good, two are not necessarily better. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40009	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems

You are correct Lenny, all the symptoms are gone on the fish (I'm still continuing treatment until thursday for a full weeks worth). I lost the glofish, but all the other fish are still fine, I didn't think the glofish was going to make it though, he looked terrible. My bleeding hearts never even showed any signs of fin rot. I didn't throw the plant away though, I'm going to re-bury it, I'm pretty sure I put it in too deep (yes it's a rooted plant), I think it was a type of sword. Still no green algae as well. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Sounds like a pretty good summary. > > Hopefully, Amber will reply letting us know that all is well, now, in the > 55G and all the fish are healing up well or doing fine, with no more > losses. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Szabo > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:56 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Amber's Aquarium Problems > > The problems with Amber's 55 gallon aquarium have moved into several > threads > now, and this is an attempt to try to tie everything together. I hope, in > this attempt, that I am not leaving anything out, since some of these > threads are very long. > > 1. We have the original post, which is about her tank developing green > water. > 2. The next thing brought to our attention was the loss of some fish, > preceded by unusual behavior in others, and a case of what is described as > fin and tail rot. > 3. Finally, we have the mysterious rotting of a new plant in her tank. > > The first problem brought to our attention is the green water. Amber has > some pretty hefty lighting on that tank consisting of compact fluorescent > bulbs of a high color temperature (the number escapes me > now) and actinic blue lamps. This tank has been set up for some time now, > and the lighting scheme she has seems to be doing the tank well. > Well, that is, until she added some new plants to the tank. Shortly after > that addition, the green water developed. As it turns out, when > problem 3 is > brought to light, there is mention by Amber in that thread that she added > fertilizer to the substrate for her plants. > > Up until that moment, we had been floundering around looking for a > cause of > this sudden growth of suspended algae. We were actually barking up the > wrong > tree, it seems. It was probably the addition of the fertilizer that threw > the tank out of balance, and enabled the algae to get a toehold and then > explode to a luxuriant growth. Left alone, when the excess food > (fertilizer) > was used up, the growth of the algae would have been curtailed, and, > eventually, disappear. > > The lack of that information about the fertilizer left us at a distinct > disadvantage in helping Amber. Amber also embarked on a regimen of > frequent > water changes, which is not normally recommended in a situation like this. > Patience is the recommended course. This brought into sharper focus the > conditions of the water she was adding, and it was thought that the water > may have a high CO2 concentration. Further investigation of this point > shows > that this may not be the case. Water will outgas a number of gasses which > will appear as the bubbles that Amber reported. > The bubbles may not have been caused by CO2, but oxygen. The warmer the > water the less oxygen it can carry, and the excess will outgas, just as a > high concentration of CO2 will. This is most frequently seen when adding > cold water, and allowing it to warm in the tank. The oxygen will come out, > and form bubbles as well as outgas to the atmosphere. > > Discussions with her local water people brought out that the water she > gets > has a pH of 7.3-7.4 in a holding tank near her home. Soda ash is added to > the water to increase the pH to help the water department preserve its > pipes > (a common occurrence when the water is acidic to start). Amber's tank > has a > pH in the low to mid 6's. The buffer added to the water by the water > department will be used up in a relatively short period of time. This > is OK, > so long as it lasts long enough to get through their pipes, it is OK. > (This > is why we recommend that you do not try to alter your pH, since the same > thing will happen in your tank--the buffer will get used up, and the water > will fall to its natural pH, or lower, and will do this rapidly without > constant buffer additions. > Really more trouble than it is worth.) Amber has added a piece of coral to > the tank to help maintain a higher pH. This is a recommended practice, > since > the calcium from coral will be available over the long term, and the > amount > released will depend on the pH level of the water. > An equilibrium will be reached and maintained. The one fact we do not yet > know is the pH of the water before it is treated with the soda ash. > While this information is not critical, it would be nice to know, and with > it we can further determine the approximate pH level of her tank long > term. > The fish she keeps should be based on this pH, as well as other > factors. Do > keep in mind that fish can do well in a pH that is out of their range > according to the literature, though they may not do so spectacularly. > > The fin and tail rot is an interesting sidelight here. It appeared to have > occurred after Amber did several water changes in a matter of hours. Amber > had noted that her corys did not seem to be reacting well to the situation > in her 55. After doing what I recall amounted to a near 100% water > change in > a series of water changes over several hours, she awoke the next > morning to > disaster in her tank. This put a tremendous amount of stress on her > fish, if > from nothing else, just from the change in the pH of the water. A > number of > her fish died, probably adding to the stressing of the other fish, not > because they died, but because of any decomposition that occurred prior to > Amber removing the bodies from the tank.. The rest seem to have developed > the fin and tail rot. Amber chose to treat with a combination of the > *fix's > and the fish remaining do seem to be recovering. I cannot say that her > treatment is helping or not, normally only Melafix is recommended, but > a big > help is probably that her water quality is returning to normal for that > tank. > > Finally, we have the problem that one of her new plants is rotting at the > substrate level. It has not been mentioned if this is a rooted plant > or not. > Rooted plants normally need to be planted with the crown (the area between > the roots and stem(s) of the plant) above the substrate. > There are some exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb to follow. > If the plant does not have the crown above the substrate, the rot that > Amber > is seeing is caused by the depth of the planting. That some fungus may > have > appeared at the place of the rot is not unusual--this is the white > line that > Amber reported. I believe that she has now removed the new plants, > which is > unfortunate, as they may have been saved by replanting properly. It > was also > in this thread that she mentioned the fertilizer, and that was likely the > cause of her initial problem, and not, per se, the addition of the two new > plants. One must remember that she did not treat the plants at all > prior to > adding them to the tank, and this led to a jump off a precipitous cliff to > end up at the conclusion that the plants were the cause of her problems. > Indirectly, they were, but not in the way originally thought. > Normally, she > says, she rinses the plants in fresh water prior to adding them to the > tank. > If one is looking to remove snails, snail eggs, and other critters one may > not want in an aquarium, a bath in a potassium permanganate solution would > be the proper course to follow. > > One big lesson everyone can take away from this mishap to Amber is to > provide us with all the information available when reporting a problem in > your tank. Amber did not mention the addition of fertilizer to her tank, > though she did mention the new plants. In my mind, this was a huge > omission, > and we went down many paths leading to dead ends while trying to help her. > Another lesson to learn is that water changes are not necessarily the best > method to try to resolve a problem. In some cases, water changes are > indicated as a big help. In other cases, they can do more harm than good. > Also, if one water change is good, two are not necessarily better. > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40010	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Snipped from the web... "Along with Mopani and Bogwood you could also safely add some cork. Cork usually comes looking as though it has just been stripped from a tree, it is easily trimmed down to size. Follow the same routine as for bogwood i.e. brush it clean and soak. Cork is very buoyant, so it is a good idea to use aquarium silicone sealer to 'glue' it to a rock or piece of slate to act as an anchor. Cork tiles can also be used but care should be taken to ensure that the tiles are pure cork and not glued onto a wood backing, the glue is likely to be highly toxic to your fish." On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Lenny! Going to check these out now as well. > > Wondering if cork would be a suitable material for in an aquarium? Could > cover that with the black silicone? Could layer that and then carve and > coat... > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:39 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read > the rest... it's a man thing.. lol > > Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, > that use foam. > > http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to > Aquascaping Ideas section) > > http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ > > http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp > > http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > / > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > > If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few > thousand more hits. > > As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the > foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank > lighter, not heavier. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm > > You might find this interesting... > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: >> >> >> Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light >> items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I >> could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which >> utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that >> but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam >> has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE >> supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the >> dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. >> LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual > rocks vs one wall piece. >> >> I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going >> to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as >> he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue >> so I'll fix that easy enough. >> >> - Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzi >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Thanks so much Janet! :) >> >> I have a question about your possible project... >> do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? >> >> ----- >> Have a great day! >> >> Suzi >> http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: J. Ford >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft >> pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! >> >> I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love >> feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... >> >> For 55 gallon tank: >> I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and >> fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation >> look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out >> and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something >> or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and >> mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. >> >> Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight >> may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more >> lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but >> still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not >> sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a >> bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. >> >> Janet >> Michigan >> >> http://www.howtoehow.com >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40011	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes.

I have done this (not for the purpose of cleaning though) and the fish have been fine there is one big BUT. But, you must keep the established filter, this would be a bad time to clean the filter. I have a LOT of filtration, 6X turnover hourly so plenty of existing biofilter. And just for insurance you might want to set up a spare filter on another established tank and run it for 2 weeks before you start. One reason things like this and water changes etc. are easier for me is my water parameters always match perfectly. I have no pH bounce and I have a well don’t have to add anything, not even dechlor. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. Hello guys So talking about water testing and stuff..my wife had the crazy idea to redo my 40g tank. remove all the fish,plants empty it remove the gravel then clean it.. I advised her that the fish we have will die do restarting the eco system in the tank. I'm right in the asssumtion that ones all thats done placing the fish back in the tank will cause me all the fish? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 10:33 PM You should avoid "Buffer Up" type products at the pet stores. As you've seen, they do not work very well. The best thing most folks should do is know their tap water baseline and what their water will be like once it's in the tank and then keep fish that LOVE that kind of water chemistry. While there are certainly a lot of fish like African Cichlids that NEED a much higher pH than 6.2.. more like the 8.5 that you started with, but there are also a LOT of fish that love your pH of 6.2 and you should concentrate on keeping those kinds of fish. If you absolutely wanted to go with an African Cichlid tank, then you would have to set up the tank from the start with everything from using crushed coral in your gravel, to having crushed coral or cuttle bone in your filter systems, to adding a hardness/ph raising mix with every PWC, etc., to keep the pH and hardness up in the tank. Using bottled so-called solutions sold at the pet stores will simply not be enough and you will have a pH bouncing around like crazy which would be adverse to the fish's health. Since you've been reading this thread, you should do the 48 hour baseline testing on your tap water (hot and cold sides), getting info from your water utility, etc... so you can learn more about what is happening with your water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. I almost have the same issue my basic tap water pH is 8.5 but i can't keep the pH in my tanks above 6.2.. i have tried everything from pH buffering solution to weekly pwc nothing i been told it has a lot to do with my plants and tanic acids but i pick up dead leave matter all the time.. also i can keep up the buffering in my tank water. the tap water is very alkaline but as soon as it hits my tanks it looses the alkilinity and becomes acidic. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility of water changes. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:59 PM Sorry Bill was sitting at the hospital waiting to have blood drawn I didn't even answer all your questions, LOL. Yes it's still the 55 gallon that's having issues, I have regular pea gravel in it, nothing special. The plants are planted in pots and jars with dirt under the gravel. I have driftwood in the tank (it was in there before the fish to make sure it wasn't going to leach out anything). And yes the driftwood was sanitized in the dishwasher a few times, and also soaked for a few weeks to make it sink. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Hi Amber, > > Is this still from the 55 tank? What sort of gravel and decorations do > you > have in these tanks. There is a wide range of things which will buffer > or change pH > up or down. Coral for instance. A few well placed hand fulls will > affect the pH of > even a 55. In a case like yours, check everything and leave no stone > un turned! > > Bill > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose- fields. com > <mailto:amber% 40rose-fields. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Okay about my local water and possibility > of water changes. > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:20 PM > > But if my tank water pH stabilizes to 6, it seems like my tap water > should be somewhat near there, at least that's my thought.... I will > of > course get the baseline numbers, this week has been crazy for me. > Does it matter how big of a container I start the baseline in? Will a > large cup full of water do it or do I need a bucket for some reason? > > Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40012	From: bill1433	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Low pH for finding fish?

I did it again! Someone, somewhere gave me a direct link for finding tropical fish by pH only. I lost the link completely as it was included in an email. If someone remembers or has the link please include here for me. I need this link because of my unusual water parameters. I have a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. A bare GH of 1 and no register at all for KH. Since these are unusual water conditions there is also a need to stay within those boundaries. I do not add or doctor my water (I out grew that idea) in any way and wish to stay within these limitations for fish to keep. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40013	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Yeah! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Harl Myers To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Snipped from the web... "Along with Mopani and Bogwood you could also safely add some cork. Cork usually comes looking as though it has just been stripped from a tree, it is easily trimmed down to size. Follow the same routine as for bogwood i.e. brush it clean and soak. Cork is very buoyant, so it is a good idea to use aquarium silicone sealer to 'glue' it to a rock or piece of slate to act as an anchor. Cork tiles can also be used but care should be taken to ensure that the tiles are pure cork and not glued onto a wood backing, the glue is likely to be highly toxic to your fish." On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Lenny! Going to check these out now as well. > > Wondering if cork would be a suitable material for in an aquarium? Could > cover that with the black silicone? Could layer that and then carve and > coat... > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:39 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read > the rest... it's a man thing.. lol > > Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, > that use foam. > > http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to > Aquascaping Ideas section) > > http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ > > http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp > > http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > / > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > > If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few > thousand more hits. > > As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the > foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank > lighter, not heavier. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm > > You might find this interesting... > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: >> >> >> Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light >> items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I >> could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which >> utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that >> but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam >> has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE >> supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the >> dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. >> LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual > rocks vs one wall piece. >> >> I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going >> to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as >> he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue >> so I'll fix that easy enough. >> >> - Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzi >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Thanks so much Janet! :) >> >> I have a question about your possible project... >> do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? >> >> ----- >> Have a great day! >> >> Suzi >> http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: J. Ford >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft >> pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! >> >> I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love >> feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... >> >> For 55 gallon tank: >> I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and >> fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation >> look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out >> and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something >> or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and >> mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. >> >> Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight >> may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more >> lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but >> still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not >> sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a >> bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. >> >> Janet >> Michigan >> >> http://www.howtoehow.com >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40014	From: replenissh37	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: AlgaeIntank

Actually algea is good. It is a green organisms that carries out Photosynthesis. juplanPlants carry out photosynthesis, and release oxygen. So algae also releases oxygen into the tank water. I hope this helps Amber.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40015	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Low pH for finding fish?

Bill, Bill, Bill, Here it is again. ;-) I also have it on my blog now. Under the Labels section called "Compatibility" or more defined under "Fish Compatibility Charts And Fish Profile Sites". http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html The fourth link down... Aquaria.info/modules... (more of an advanced search for species based on water parameters, etc.). You could save the link to that page in your favorites folder under Fish Compatibility Charts or something like that or just save my Blog page which has all of my favorite Compatibility and Profile sites all in one place already. ;-) BTW... using your parameters, I used 5.7 for pH and 1 for Hardness and left all of the other fields as blank or All and came up with two pages of results, totaling around 30 species. It looked mostly like Apistogramma's and Barbs but also your cherished Bolivian Ram, a Licorice Gourami, a Red Finned Loach and several other species that did not have common names listed... so you could have a very unique and potentially motley crew of fish in a tank. Of course, check the profiles on that search page and on Mongabay, etc. to make sure the fish are also compatible for temperament, etc. Just because they share common water preferences does not mean they won't eat each other. ;-) You could also use the Databases search fields to limit the fish to just "Peaceful" fish under the Temperament field to further limit the search. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:52 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Low pH for finding fish? I did it again! Someone, somewhere gave me a direct link for finding tropical fish by pH only. I lost the link completely as it was included in an email. If someone remembers or has the link please include here for me. I need this link because of my unusual water parameters. I have a pH of 5.5 to 5.8. A bare GH of 1 and no register at all for KH. Since these are unusual water conditions there is also a need to stay within those boundaries. I do not add or doctor my water (I out grew that idea) in any way and wish to stay within these limitations for fish to keep. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40016	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi

Janet, One of the Paludarium links I gave you actually used Cork as the background so check it out. It would be one of the bottom three links in the list of links that I posted in this thread, included down below in this email. I thought you were interested in using up that foam though? But Cork probably takes less work to make it look natural where foam takes a lot of work to make it look natural. I haven't read that article in a while but I think they used natural cork and didn't do any carving or anything. It is the bark of the Cork Oak Tree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Oak Check out the pics at the bottom of the article, especially the last three which shows what "cork" looks like on the tree. It really looks almost rock-like in it's natural state, especially the overgrown cork that hasn't been stripped from this tree.. the top part of the trunk in this pic. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Cork_oak.JPG Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J. Ford Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Yeah! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Harl Myers To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi Snipped from the web... "Along with Mopani and Bogwood you could also safely add some cork. Cork usually comes looking as though it has just been stripped from a tree, it is easily trimmed down to size. Follow the same routine as for bogwood i.e. brush it clean and soak. Cork is very buoyant, so it is a good idea to use aquarium silicone sealer to 'glue' it to a rock or piece of slate to act as an anchor. Cork tiles can also be used but care should be taken to ensure that the tiles are pure cork and not glued onto a wood backing, the glue is likely to be highly toxic to your fish." On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Lenny! Going to check these out now as well. > > Wondering if cork would be a suitable material for in an aquarium? Could > cover that with the black silicone? Could layer that and then carve and > coat... > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:39 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > When I first saw this thread, I saw something about crochet and never read > the rest... it's a man thing.. lol > > Here are some sites for DIY backgrounds that I have in my favorites folder, > that use foam. > > http://aquarium.mriweb.nl/en/index.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_list.php (scroll down to > Aquascaping Ideas section) > > http://westerncichlids.com.au/diy-aquarium-background-part-1/ > > http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-decoration/17.asp > > http://www.sydneycichlid.com/fishtank-background.htm > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g_construct.htm > > http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Paludarium-Construction-Photo-Journal/28 > / > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html > > If you do a Google search on - DIY aquarium backgrounds - you'll fine a few > thousand more hits. > > As far as your concerns about "weight being an issue", remember that the > foam would be displacing water so you would actually be making the tank > lighter, not heavier. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:59 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi > > http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiygrotto/bndiygrotto.htm > > You might find this interesting... > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM, J. Ford <ford@...> wrote: >> >> >> Yes, that is a concern. I'm going to try and incorporate some light >> items among the rocks and only use thin rocks or maybe faux rocks if I >> could find a suitable substance. I saw directions for a tank which >> utilized styrofoam which they covered in cement and considered that >> but worried it would take up too much of the water space as the foam >> has to be rather thick to carve it properly, though we do have a HUGE >> supply of it from our kennel facility project of insulating all the >> dogs 6' x 6' bedrooms. I have a couple 6' high stacks of the stuff. >> LOL I have some thin. Maybe I could chop pieces to carve like individual > rocks vs one wall piece. >> >> I'm feeling really lucky right now, too. There is a guy who is going >> to trade me his 55g with wooden stand and lighted hood for my 29g as >> he needs it for a sump for his 100g. The 55 leaks. Just a seam issue >> so I'll fix that easy enough. >> >> - Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzi >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Thanks so much Janet! :) >> >> I have a question about your possible project... >> do you think it might be too heavy and the silcone break free? >> >> ----- >> Have a great day! >> >> Suzi >> http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: J. Ford >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 PM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Crafty Tank Project and not to Suzi >> >> Hey, Suzi. Just had to say how much I enjoyed looking at your craft >> pics. I, too, love to crochet. Especially tiny stuff. I love doing crafts! >> >> I'm working on plans for an aquarium background project. Would love >> feedback on it from you all. Would it work, etc... >> >> For 55 gallon tank: >> I plan to take a piece of plexiglass and aquarium silicone and >> fastening on flat rocks and assorted gravel to make a rock formation >> look. Also taking a couple of small PVC sections glued on sticking out >> and covered with gravel as 'caves' and a couple cup shaped 'something >> or other' to plant live plants into. Then taking this plexiglass and >> mounting it permanently right onto the back of my tank. >> >> Thoughts? It would not cover the entire background as I realize weight >> may be an issue but it would cover 3/4 of it. May utilize some more >> lightweight materials as well to subtract from the overall weight but >> still add to the appeal. Not sure what yet. Thought driftwood but not >> sure that would hold up over time. Would it? I went and collected a >> bunch of interesting pieces at the beach recently. >> >> Janet >> Michigan >> >> http://www.howtoehow.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40017	From: bill1433	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Low pH for finding fish?

You Did It Again! Saved my ----! The lost link was this one: http://www.aquaria.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=database&file=index_species But then I thought why be picky? I book marked your whole page too! And if that's not enough, saved this mail in its entirety! just in case! Thanks again, Bill --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Low pH for finding fish? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:58 PM > Bill, Bill, Bill, > > Here it is again. ;-) > > I also have it on my blog now.  Under the Labels > section called > "Compatibility" or more defined under "Fish Compatibility > Charts And Fish > Profile Sites". > > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/fish-compatibility-charts-fish.html > > The fourth link down... Aquaria.info/modules... (more of an > advanced search > for species based on water parameters, etc.). > > You could save the link to that page in your favorites > folder under Fish > Compatibility Charts or something like that or just save my > Blog page which > has all of my favorite Compatibility and Profile sites all > in one place > already. ;-) > > BTW... using your parameters, I used 5.7 for pH and 1 for > Hardness and left > all of the other fields as blank or All and came up with > two pages of > results, totaling around 30 species.  It looked mostly > like Apistogramma's > and Barbs but also your cherished Bolivian Ram, a Licorice > Gourami, a Red > Finned Loach and several other species that did not have > common names > listed... so you could have a very unique and potentially > motley crew of > fish in a tank.  Of course, check the profiles on that > search page and on > Mongabay, etc. to make sure the fish are also compatible > for temperament, > etc.  Just because they share common water preferences > does not mean they > won't eat each other. ;-)  You could also use the > Databases search fields to > limit the fish to just "Peaceful" fish under the > Temperament field to > further limit the search. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:52 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Low pH for finding fish? > > > I did it again!  > Someone, somewhere gave me a direct link for finding > tropical fish by pH > only.  I lost the link completely as it was included > in an email. > > If someone remembers or has the link please include here > for me. > > I need this link because of my unusual water parameters. > > I have a pH of 5.5 to 5.8.  A bare GH of 1 and no > register at all for KH. > Since these are unusual water conditions there is also a > need to stay within > those boundaries.  I do not add or doctor my water (I > out grew that idea) in > any way and wish to stay within these limitations for fish > to keep. > > Bill > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40018	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: AlgaeIntank

Algae can serve a purpose in tanks. In fact, it is hard to have an aquarium without any algal growth. But there are algae that are not good for the aquarium environment. It is these algae that we try to eliminate. In Amber's case, she had a severe case of suspended algae (green water). Many people do not like to try to watch their fish through pea soup, and a heavy growth of this algae is not good for the aquarium, and often denotes that there is a problem in the tank. Also, while algae will release O2 into the water, like all plants, when there is enough light for photosynthesis to occur, it, like all plants, will release CO2 into the water when it is not photosynthesizing, such as at night. To rely on plants to produce enough o2 for a tank, or, conversely, enough CO2, is a mistake. Proper stocking of the tank will stand you in better stead. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of replenissh37 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] AlgaeIntank Actually algea is good. It is a green organisms that carries out Photosynthesis. juplanPlants carry out photosynthesis, and release oxygen. So algae also releases oxygen into the tank water. I hope this helps Amber.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40019	From: poofliger23	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: tank sprung a leak

could i buy a new tank and transfer everything including my plants, decorations, substrate, filter, even the water( i know it doesn't have much beneficial bacteria, but still) from my old tank to the new tank without having to cycle the new tank?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40020	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak

It would probably work, but I would be prepared for a mini-cycle as well. It is unlikely that you would need to suffer a full blown cycling doing this. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of poofliger23 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tank sprung a leak could i buy a new tank and transfer everything including my plants, decorations, substrate, filter, even the water( i know it doesn't have much beneficial bacteria, but still) from my old tank to the new tank without having to cycle the new tank?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40021	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak

I think so. Just use same filter off of old tank and same stuff. Might cycle some  though. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: poofliger23 <poofliger23@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 3 May 2009 5:00 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] tank sprung a leak could i buy a new tank and transfer everything including my plants, decorations, substrate, filter, even the water( i know it doesn't have much beneficial bacteria, but still) from my old tank to the new tank without having to cycle the new tank? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to=2 0receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40022	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak

Yes, start by putting as much water as you can from the tank into a fish-safe plastic tube. I use the clear Sterilite storage tubs and they are pretty cheap at either Walmart or Big Lots or such. Keep the filter running on the tank with the fish and then transfer the fish and filter to the Sterilite tub. Keeping your filter "cycled" is the most important part as the overwhelming majority of the nitrifying bacteria will live in the filter media since that's where all the water and food eventually end up passing through. It's like a drive through for the N-bacteria.. but they stay still and the food comes driving by. Also transfer a few inches of water into the new tank. Leave some water in the old tank. Once you do that, you can then take a colander and start scooping up the old dirty gravel into the colander... a slotted spatula or kitty litter scoop works well. After you mostly fill the colander, swoosh it a little to get it a little cleaner and then transfer that to the new tank. After you've transferred all of the gravel, then you can move the plants into the new tank probably have to move some of the water where the fish are at also into the new tank. While doing that, you can move the fish and the rest of that water and the filter system to the new tank. This will mean that you have saved the filter's nitrifying bacteria, some of the bacteria with the gravel and the plants, etc. Plus you have the fish in the same water they were use to so there will less stress on them and little or no cycling issues. If the new tank is considerably larger than the old tank, then you only want to add some dechlored tap water a little at a time, no more than 10-20% more water every couple of hours so the fish can acclimate to any changing water parameters caused by the tap water. The slower you take this process on topping off the new tank, the better. You may need some intake tube extensions if you did not have a long intake tube on your filter so that the filter will reach the lower water level during this possibly day or two day long topping off period. Now you can fix the old tank and keep it for a quarantine tank or set up a 2nd tank and keep the sterilite tub for a quarantine tank. That's what I use for my Q-tank or H-tank now. You should still test the ammonia, nitrite, etc., on the new tank to make sure it's fully cycled but it should be without much problems. I've "cloned" tanks like this many times. I guess "morphed" would be a better word than "cloned" but I started using "cloned" a long time ago for this process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of poofliger23 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tank sprung a leak could i buy a new tank and transfer everything including my plants, decorations, substrate, filter, even the water( i know it doesn't have much beneficial bacteria, but still) from my old tank to the new tank without having to cycle the new tank?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40023	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: AlgaeIntank

An especially dangerous part of this type of algae is if and when it suddenly crashes, the entire suspended colony dying out in short time as a result of it using up all the available nutrients. The decomposition of this would cause a marked oxygen depletion. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40024	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

Thanks for all the useful infos guys. Lenny you made my search much easier. I got a good idea about corys now. I'll make a tour around my LFS s and see what's available now and choose one based on the infos I collected. Noura > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of N Taweel > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Small tank question > > Hi, > Is it okey (and beneficial) to put a corydoras in a 6G tank with Guppy fry > for cleaning purposes? If not, is there an alternative? > Good filtration and constant PWCs are provided, not always siphoning the > gravel. There are no hiding places. > I never had a corydoras before, I just heard they're good for the tank and > don't get big. > > Noura >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40025	From: jett07002	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Amber's Aquarium Problems

Referring to the plant problem that was probably in the amazon sword family, I agree with Byron who answered that the plant was too deep in the substrate. Also, new plants in a aquarium, just as in the garden or flower pot, cannot/should not be fertilized until they have a chance to establish their "root hold" in the substrate. Until this happens the roots will just "burn up" from too much fertilizer. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40026	From: diogenes33	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Ich problem

Hi all, I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. Bob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40027	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Well, I hope that you raised the temp slowly! Too fast a climb can be stressful. The same with the salt. You want to add the salt to some tank water in a cup and dissolve it and then pour it in slowly, not over any fish and not into the filter. The goal here is to give the fish a chance to get use to the salt.You eventually, over a few days, want to get the salt up to 3 teaspoons a gallon. That would be 20 tablespoons. Then when you make the water change just add a tablespoon for every gallon of replacement water. This you can dissolve and add directly to the replacement water, if you use a bucket. If you use a Python or something similar you have to add it after it is in the tank. Again dissolved in a cup of water, and not directly on a fish or into the filter... Oh and you can raise the temp up to 86 degrees, a couple degrees a day. Then when done just do water changes with plain water as you normally would and drop the temps a couple a degrees a day. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, diogenes33 <diogenes33@...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the > temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the > instructions on the box. My questions are these: > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep > adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to > ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. > > Bob > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40028	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Monster catfish`

Would my monster catfish be okay in a 10 gallon tank for a few days until I can get it to the LFS and trade it in? I imagine it would be but thought I should ask first. I have a filter already cycled on one of my other tanks so I could just swap it over to the 10 gallon and put the red tailed catfish in there for a couple of days. He's picking off my guppy's at night and I'm getting tired of it ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40029	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`

He's not that big yet... is he? If he's only a couple of inches, it should be fine for a short period of time. Did you catch him doing a little nocturnal stalking... or just presuming it's him? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Monster catfish` Would my monster catfish be okay in a 10 gallon tank for a few days until I can get it to the LFS and trade it in? I imagine it would be but thought I should ask first. I have a filter already cycled on one of my other tanks so I could just swap it over to the 10 gallon and put the red tailed catfish in there for a couple of days. He's picking off my guppy's at night and I'm getting tired of it ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40030	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Harl, You're right about changing anything in these fishes' environment slowly so as to prevent any further stress, but while 3 tsp of salt per gallon are needed for some maladies, an Ich treatment only requires 1 TBS of salt per 5 gallons when combined with heat -- as I note Bob has in mind with his addition of 4 TBS salt for his 20 gallon tank. Unless you've seen a post that I missed, we don't even know if Bob has live plants, Tetras or Cory catfish -- all which would suffer from such large salt additions. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > Well, I hope that you raised the temp slowly! Too fast a climb can be > stressful. The same with the salt. You want to add the salt to some > tank water in a cup and dissolve it and then pour it in slowly, not > over any fish and not into the filter. The goal here is to give the > fish a chance to get use to the salt.You eventually, over a few days, > want to get the salt up to 3 teaspoons a gallon. That would be 20 > tablespoons. Then when you make the water change just add a > tablespoon for every gallon of replacement water. This you can > dissolve and add directly to the replacement water, if you use a > bucket. If you use a Python or something similar you have to add it > after it is in the tank. Again dissolved in a cup of water, and not > directly on a fish or into the filter... > > Oh and you can raise the temp up to 86 degrees, a couple degrees a > day. Then when done just do water changes with plain water as you > normally would and drop the temps a couple a degrees a day. > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, diogenes33 <diogenes33@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the > > temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the > > instructions on the box. My questions are these: > > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? > > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep > > adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to > > ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. > > > > Bob > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40031	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Hi Bob, Sorry to hear about your Ich outbreak. Looks like you have at least half a handle on this situation. As for the temperature, notonly can you raise it to 86 o, but you MUST raise it to at least 86 o. Always pays to raise it to 87 or so, unless you're quite certain your thermometer is absolutely accurate. To raise the temperature only to 84 o would serve only to increase the metabolism of the Ich, making it more virulent. 84 o will not kill Ich, nor will it adversely affect its lifecycle; it will just increase the rate of its multiplication. Increased aeration is always recommended when treating Ich, more so when you raise the temperature. This will ensure a faster rate of oxygen absorption through the water surface for the benefit of the fish, while making things more difficult for the Ich to find and attach to a host. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "diogenes33" <diogenes33@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. > > Bob >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40032	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

I meant to address your other questions, but I hit SEND too fast. When you do your weekly water changes while treating Ich (keeping in mind this new water must be at least 86 o), yes, you need to replace the same amount of salt that you just got done removing when you drew off 30% of the volume (6 gallons). You will need to replace about 1 and 1/5 TBS of salt. As for how long you should keep adding salt, that depends on how many water changes you do while treating the Ich. Normally, it will take around 10 days to be completely assured that you've eradicated the Ich, so you'd probably only be doing 1 PWC in that time. If you're unsure that you can't maintain the change water at 86 o, I would hold off the PWC until after the treatment, unless the bioload deems it necessary. Once you have the salt level at 1 TBS per 5 gallons there no further need to add any more in the treatment of Ich. Adding salt at each water change will not eliminate the possibility of your fish getting Ich, even though it may make it more difficult. Some hobbyists prefer to maintain a salt level of 1 TBS per 5 gallons as a constant, but not only is this unnecessary for freshwater fish, but salt is a foreign matter in their environment, even though many will tolerate some. If you insist on keeping salt, it can't build up when adding it with each water change, provided you add back only the amount that was removed. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "diogenes33" <diogenes33@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. > > Bob >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40033	From: toddswoman496861@aim.com	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`

I dont see any harm it it. Kate Dale -----Original Message----- From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 5:12 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] Monster catfish` Would my monster catfish be okay in a 10 gallon tank for a few days until I can get it to the LFS and trade it in? I imagine it would be but thought I should ask first. I have a filter already cycled on one of my other tanks so I could just swap it over to the 10 gallon and put the red tailed catfish in there for a couple of days. He's picking off my guppy's at night and I'm getting tired of it ;) Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change yo ur delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40034	From: babyhellcat69	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Newbie here (Florida)

Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I currently have 3 tanks. 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks before they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited about that. And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40035	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Monster catfish`

He never comes out of the shell that I can see, and you're right he's still pretty small, maybe 3 1/2 to 4 inches with the tail fin. But his mouth is certainly big enough for a male guppy to fit inside (which is what I've lost, 2 males). It may not be him eating them, as I don't actually see him ever leave his shell daylight or not. I feed sinking pellets at night before bed though, so hopefully he's eating those instead ;) It could be my nasty angel's picking on them until they die and then something else is finishing them off (Severum maybe). My little talking catfish is getting fat though, I've only seen him once and he went crazy for the sinking pellets when he found them ;) I don't think he's eating any of the fish, he's not much bigger than a male guppy ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > He's not that big yet... is he? If he's only a couple of inches, it should > be fine for a short period of time. Did you catch him doing a little > nocturnal stalking... or just presuming it's him? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:12 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Monster catfish` > > Would my monster catfish be okay in a 10 gallon tank for a few days > until I > can get it to the LFS and trade it in? I imagine it would be but thought I > should ask first. I have a filter already cycled on one of my other > tanks so > I could just swap it over to the 10 gallon and put the red tailed > catfish in > there for a couple of days. He's picking off my guppy's at night and I'm > getting tired of it ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40036	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)

Welcome to the group. The only thing that jumps out at me as a problem is the 3 common plecos in the 55G. Even 1 common pleco in a 55G is a problem since they grow to 18"+ and need a bare minimum of 75G each and a LONG enough tank so they have a little room to swim when they decide they want to. I know they don't swim around a lot but given the proper room, they do like to cruise around a tank. They will also become a serious bioload issue on the 55G tank as they grow. How did you end up with three? One common pleco would be plenty enough to handle the algae issues of a 55G tank and then once it reaches 6" or so, you could trade him/her in for a new juvi pleco. Many LFS (local fish stores) will set this up for folks as it's a win-win deal. The fish keeper gets a good algae eater and then is able to trade them in and the pet store is able to sell the larger fish for more money while the fish keeper gets a new smaller pleco to handle the algae. A better option would be to get a dwarf pleco in the first place. There are several good algae eating dwarf plecos that are much more available nowadays, with the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nosed Pleco being two of the most common dwarfs that I have seen in my area. Guppies can also cause a problem in a 10G tank if allowed to breed to much. Keep it around six or so guppies and you'll be OK. It's best to go with all males so you have the prettiest fish and none of the over-breeding issues since a 10G tank can't handle the bioload created by a lot of baby guppies. BTW.. I also have a planted 10G tank with Cherry Shrimp, for a couple of years now, and regularly deliver 25 or so to my LFS for store credit at 50 cents each. Remember to keep as many of the babies as possible and sell off the larger ones. Many folks think it's better to sell the babies but the babies will be the ones to grow up and create more shrimp for you... and it's less of a burden on the bioload of the tank by having 10 babies instead of one adult. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of babyhellcat69 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie here (Florida) Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I currently have 3 tanks. 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks before they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited about that. And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40037	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Hopefully you don't have any cold water loving fish like Hillstream loaches or some other types of river/fast moving water loaches. They can't have any temps higher than 82 max, and if you do that then you have to increase your water flow to keep the oxygen levels up. Also some loaches are sensitive to salt at all, just like cory catfish. If you have plants be careful raising the temps as well as you will melt all your plants off with the heat and salt treatment. Perhaps you should let us know what's in the tank so we can give you correct info ;) LOL. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > Hi Bob, Sorry to hear about your Ich outbreak. Looks like you have at > least half a handle on this situation. As for the temperature, notonly > can you raise it to 86 o, but you MUST raise it to at least 86 o. > Always pays to raise it to 87 or so, unless you're quite certain your > thermometer is absolutely accurate. > > To raise the temperature only to 84 o would serve only to increase the > metabolism of the Ich, making it more virulent. 84 o will not kill > Ich, nor will it adversely affect its lifecycle; it will just increase > the rate of its multiplication. > > Increased aeration is always recommended when treating Ich, more so > when you raise the temperature. This will ensure a faster rate of > oxygen absorption through the water surface for the benefit of the > fish, while making things more difficult for the Ich to find and > attach to a host. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "diogenes33" <diogenes33@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've > raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium > salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: > > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more > salt? > > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I > keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a > preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks > for the help. > > > > Bob > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40038	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

I am surprised that no one mentioned this, but, before you do the water change, if it is needed during the course of treatment, you should first replace any water lost to evaporation. If the treatment goes beyond the normal 10 days or so, you will then not be creeping up the salt concentration, which may affect some fish adversely. Add the salt to the new water at the same 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons rate as the initial treatment. When the treatment period is over, just reduce the salt concentration with your normal water changes. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diogenes33 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ich problem Hi all, I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more salt? I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. Bob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40039	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Some Really Good Photos

The photos on this site were contest winners. All but two are of marine critters. http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40040	From: pam andress	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Some Really Good Photos

Those are really nice. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve@... Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:53 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] Some Really Good Photos The photos on this site were contest winners. All but two are of marine critters. http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40041	From: Lisa	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...

I used to have a planted tank. but i changed to a plastic plant one for ease of cleaning. And because it seemed that no matter what i did, I couldn't stop them from going brown slimy and limp. The only surviving live plant in my tank atm is a dwarf anubias on bogwood. I have a fluesant light, and a heater. And the substrate is just an ordanary store baught gravel. I have an UG filter. I have tried hairgrass, baby tears, bananna lillies, cryptocorynes and horwart. And the only one out of all that, that i had any degree of success with was the hornwart. But even that evetually (After taking over my tank) seemed to give up the go. I even used liquid plant fertiliser once a month. Before i gave up and uprooted it all. So. If i went in and picked up some hornwart again, what can i do to try and increase my chances of being successful a second time round? I want plants that have a low/medium light requirement. Are easy to maintain and are fast growers. Also will not be eaten by my fish. Back to midground types preferred No URL links please. Thanks Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40042	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...

I have heard that it's hard to keep plants in a tank with an undergravel filter, but I've never used one myself. That could be the problem though. You are going to want to look for easy to grow plants that want low light, and if you don't want any links then you're going to have to find them yourself, because there's a great site that helps you find plants by requirements such as lighting, etc. I find it odd that you said no links, that's the best kind of help on the internet and Lenny is FULL of useful links ;) LOL. Amber Lisa wrote: > > > I used to have a planted tank. but i changed to a plastic plant one > for ease of cleaning. And because it seemed that no matter what i did, > I couldn't stop them from going brown slimy and limp. > > The only surviving live plant in my tank atm is a dwarf anubias on > bogwood. > > I have a fluesant light, and a heater. And the substrate is just an > ordanary store baught gravel. > I have an UG filter. > > I have tried hairgrass, baby tears, bananna lillies, cryptocorynes and > horwart. > > And the only one out of all that, that i had any degree of success > with was the hornwart. But even that evetually (After taking over my > tank) seemed to give up the go. > > I even used liquid plant fertiliser once a month. Before i gave up and > uprooted it all. > > So. If i went in and picked up some hornwart again, what can i do to > try and increase my chances of being successful a second time round? > > I want plants that have a low/medium light requirement. Are easy to > maintain and are fast growers. Also will not be eaten by my fish. > Back to midground types preferred > > No URL links please. > > Thanks > > Lisa > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40043	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...

Like Amber says, I'm not sure why you have an aversion for links but since you don't want a link, here's a copy/paste of my entire blog article (below my sig) on easy planted tanks but there are several links in the article. Even if you do not want to click any links, read all the way through as there are some lists of the plants that I copy/pasted from their respective websites... just ignore the links. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. html Planted Tank - So you want a planted tank! GREAT!!! I am regularly passing out the following links to folks, in forums, interested in setting up their first and simple planted tank. I figured it was about time that I just wrote up a blog article to include all of this information in one place so I can just direct folks to this page. The GREAT thing about a planted tank is that it more closely mimics nature and it also can completely eliminate the ammonia/nitrite issues associated with the nitrogen cycle when first starting up a new tank. A planted tank can also eliminate the need to do a fishless cycle so you can start up your planted tank and while you are getting it going, you can start figuring out which fish you are going to get so you don't have to look at an empty tank for several weeks like when fishless cycling. Here are a few articles that I regularly refer folks to about setting up their first planted tank. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm (Chuck's Planted Aquarium Pages - Setting Up A Planted Tank) http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadTank.html (Goldfish And Aquarium Board - Setting Up A Walstad Natural Planted Tank - Summary Article) (Note - Some report that this method can lead to algae problems due to the use of soil in the substrate) http://naturalaquariums.com/plantedtank/0512.html (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine - Lo-Tech Tanks article) Reading over the above pages and the links associated on those pages will give every beginner a very big head start at being successful with their planted tank. These next links are to low-light, easy-to-grow plants which I recommend beginners start off with. Especially if you don't want to have the added expense and maintenance issues associated with high-light, special substrates and CO2 injection which might be required for higher light, harder-to-grow plants. http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=2 (PlantGeek.net - Guide to Very Easy plants) http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=3 (PlantGeek.net - Guide to Easy plants) http://naturalaquariums.com/plantedtank/0609.html (Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine - Easy Plants article) http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/ (AquaticPlantCentral.com - If you put in low for light and click Go, it will bring up a list of low light plants. If you do a second search in the Hardiness field and use Very Easy or Easy, you'll get a list of these types of plants... with good profiles on each of the plants. They started this database a couple of years ago and it has come a LONG way and appears to be much better than PlantGeek's now, so check it out!!!) Another big issue some folks have with planted tanks is that oftentimes the plants will come with some snails or other critters hiding out in the plants roots or leaves. Here are a couple of sites on sanitizing and disinfecting your new live plants. http://www.plantgeek.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1445 http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=167686 Update added Feb. 24, 2009 - I was reading the most recent edition of TFH magazine (Tropical Fish Hobbyist) and there was an ad (an ad, not a recommendation) for AquaBotanic.com and they had a package of 27 plants for the beginner in their "Hard To Kill" package for $46.38 and then at checkout, if you put in the discount code TFHPLANT, you get another 10% off. Here's the link to the package on their website. http://www.aquabotanicstore.com/Hard_to_Kill_Plant_Assortment_p/passort1.htm Description... 27 plants 20 to 30 gallon. Double the order for 40 to 60 gallon 2 Java Fern 2 Anubias nana 3 Java Lace Fern 4 Cryptocoryne spiralis 6 Cryptocoryne wendtii small 1 Hornwort 2 Wisteria 10 Dwarf Sag (1 bunch) 1 Java moss Value 51.53 savings: 5.15 (NOTE from L.V. - this price is from the website but the $46.38 is the price in the TFH magazine and then there's the separate mention of the 10% discount code... but maybe the price of $46.38 included the discount... I just looked at the ad again and it doesn't say) Lighting requirements: 1.5 to 2 watts per gallon C02 requirements: suggested but not required Water conditions: hard or soft water Temp: not critical Fish compatibility: resistant to most plant nibblers Just to give a comparison... LiveAquaria.com (DrsFosterSmith.com "live" stuff sister site) has an aquarium plant package with just 11 (compared to 27 above) plants for $48.99. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=768+2147&pcatid=2147 And then there is this package on AZGardens.com, which has 34 plants for only $39.00 (so it's a better deal for total numbers but not sure on the individual plant prices) but I've heard good and bad about this company as far as their shipping charges so make sure you get the final price including shipping and get it all in writing... and maybe check them out at BBBonline.com too. http://www.azgardens.com/p-126-easy-life-habitat-10-gal.aspx 1 Anacharis 2 Blood Stargrass 3 Japanese Fans 1 Dwarf Lily Plant 4 Dwarf Onions 1 Ambulia 10 Tall Sagittaria subulata 1 small red-spot Ozelot sword 8 Crypt Walkeri 3 Java Ferns Fertilizer Hope this helps folks thinking about getting started with live plants. I'm sure there are many other good websites for ordering easy-to-care for plant packages. OK... this is just a starting point and after you will see that you have also come across several planted tank forums with the above four links so your more advanced questions can be addressed in one of those forums or at any of the forums listed on the right side of this page. Lenny Vasbinder aka GoldLenny in the forums -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:13 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I want to convert to a planted tank... I have heard that it's hard to keep plants in a tank with an undergravel filter, but I've never used one myself. That could be the problem though. You are going to want to look for easy to grow plants that want low light, and if you don't want any links then you're going to have to find them yourself, because there's a great site that helps you find plants by requirements such as lighting, etc. I find it odd that you said no links, that's the best kind of help on the internet and Lenny is FULL of useful links ;) LOL. Amber Lisa wrote: > > > I used to have a planted tank. but i changed to a plastic plant one > for ease of cleaning. And because it seemed that no matter what i did, > I couldn't stop them from going brown slimy and limp. > > The only surviving live plant in my tank atm is a dwarf anubias on > bogwood. > > I have a fluesant light, and a heater. And the substrate is just an > ordanary store baught gravel. > I have an UG filter. > > I have tried hairgrass, baby tears, bananna lillies, cryptocorynes and > horwart. > > And the only one out of all that, that i had any degree of success > with was the hornwart. But even that evetually (After taking over my > tank) seemed to give up the go. > > I even used liquid plant fertiliser once a month. Before i gave up and > uprooted it all. > > So. If i went in and picked up some hornwart again, what can i do to > try and increase my chances of being successful a second time round? > > I want plants that have a low/medium light requirement. Are easy to > maintain and are fast growers. Also will not be eaten by my fish. > Back to midground types preferred > > No URL links please. > > Thanks > > Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40044	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: I want to convert to a planted tank...

Whew... I didn't know what Amber was going to say I was FULL of... fortunately it was only "useful links". ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:13 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] I want to convert to a planted tank... I have heard that it's hard to keep plants in a tank with an undergravel filter, but I've never used one myself. That could be the problem though. You are going to want to look for easy to grow plants that want low light, and if you don't want any links then you're going to have to find them yourself, because there's a great site that helps you find plants by requirements such as lighting, etc. I find it odd that you said no links, that's the best kind of help on the internet and Lenny is FULL of useful links ;) LOL. Amber Lisa wrote: > > > I used to have a planted tank. but i changed to a plastic plant one > for ease of cleaning. And because it seemed that no matter what i did, > I couldn't stop them from going brown slimy and limp. > > The only surviving live plant in my tank atm is a dwarf anubias on > bogwood. > > I have a fluesant light, and a heater. And the substrate is just an > ordanary store baught gravel. > I have an UG filter. > > I have tried hairgrass, baby tears, bananna lillies, cryptocorynes and > horwart. > > And the only one out of all that, that i had any degree of success > with was the hornwart. But even that evetually (After taking over my > tank) seemed to give up the go. > > I even used liquid plant fertiliser once a month. Before i gave up and > uprooted it all. > > So. If i went in and picked up some hornwart again, what can i do to > try and increase my chances of being successful a second time round? > > I want plants that have a low/medium light requirement. Are easy to > maintain and are fast growers. Also will not be eaten by my fish. > Back to midground types preferred > > No URL links please. > > Thanks > > Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40045	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Somehow, I KNEW to expect such a reply even before I hit "SEND," as I knew there is so much more to be said on the points I brought up. While we know there are other fish sensitive to salt, such as the Loaches (and also including the Mormyrids -- "whales" and "elephant-nose") and other fishes, I did not want to go into making a long list but instead felt that if the general warning of at least some species being salt-sensitive rang a bell in this case, that it would have elicited more inquiries by the more cautious hobbyist about it and any other species under care. The problem also concerning the ommission by Bob of information regarding ANY fish species he's maintaining compounds this issue, as we don't know if any are cooler, more temperate-water-loving species, although this was not done intentionally. Still, having any such species can present potential problems in treatment -- sometimes with a recommendation of using mild medications rather than heat -- again, all dependant on what other species might be involved. Higher degrees of heat can very well melt some plants, although if the suggestion is accepted, to use 1 tsp of salt per gallon, this fact becomes redundant as most aquatic plants will have already died out from this before being affected by heat. Other than that, it sometimes remains what to weigh as regards of what the hobbyist wants most to save -- the fish or the plants -- and again, part of this equation may involve the maintanence of medication (possibly dye) sensitive fish which may fair better with the heat treatment. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > Hopefully you don't have any cold water loving fish like Hillstream > loaches or some other types of river/fast moving water loaches. They > can't have any temps higher than 82 max, and if you do that then you > have to increase your water flow to keep the oxygen levels up. Also some > loaches are sensitive to salt at all, just like cory catfish. > If you have plants be careful raising the temps as well as you will melt > all your plants off with the heat and salt treatment. > Perhaps you should let us know what's in the tank so we can give you > correct info ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bob, Sorry to hear about your Ich outbreak. Looks like you have at > > least half a handle on this situation. As for the temperature, notonly > > can you raise it to 86 o, but you MUST raise it to at least 86 o. > > Always pays to raise it to 87 or so, unless you're quite certain your > > thermometer is absolutely accurate. > > > > To raise the temperature only to 84 o would serve only to increase the > > metabolism of the Ich, making it more virulent. 84 o will not kill > > Ich, nor will it adversely affect its lifecycle; it will just increase > > the rate of its multiplication. > > > > Increased aeration is always recommended when treating Ich, more so > > when you raise the temperature. This will ensure a faster rate of > > oxygen absorption through the water surface for the benefit of the > > fish, while making things more difficult for the Ich to find and > > attach to a host. Ray > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "diogenes33" <diogenes33@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've > > raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium > > salt as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: > > > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more > > salt? > > > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I > > keep adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a > > preventative to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks > > for the help. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40046	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem

Adding to \\Steve's// points, which are always well-advised, is that no one (including myself, even though I had it in mind) thought to mention that while this treatment generally takes on the average of ten days, that usually there is no more Ich after about 8 days. BUT, you need to retain this temperature (86+ o) until another two days after seeing no more signs of Ich, whether its at the 8-day period or the 9th-day period -- to ensure that all phases of the Ich in its lifecycle are subjected to this treatment; its lifecycle at 86 o taking 48 hours. By this, it can be seen that the full treatment, including this two-day observation period, may take 10 days -- or it could take only 9 days or perhaps 11 or so days, depending upon when the last of the Ich was seen on any fish. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > I am surprised that no one mentioned this, but, before you do the water > change, if it is needed during the course of treatment, you should first > replace any water lost to evaporation. If the treatment goes beyond the > normal 10 days or so, you will then not be creeping up the salt > concentration, which may affect some fish adversely. Add the salt to the > new water at the same 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons rate as the initial > treatment. > > When the treatment period is over, just reduce the salt concentration > with your normal water changes. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of diogenes33 > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ich problem > > Hi all, > > I have an outbreak of ich in my newly set up 20 gallon tank. I've > raised the temperature to 84 degrees and added 4 tbsp. of aquarium salt > as per the instructions on the box. My questions are these: > When I do my weekly water change (approx 30%) do I need to add more > salt? > I'm thinking about 1 tbsp. Is this correct? Also, how long should I keep > adding salt? Can adding salt at each water change act as a preventative > to ich or would it build up to create a problem? Thanks for the help. > > Bob >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40047	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!

Just when you thought you'd seen it all!!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=270 Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40048	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!

I just got my email from PFK also but hadn't read the headline story yet. Worse... at least for us guys... is the story, within the story, about the boy and his Betta. LOL OUCH!!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! Just when you thought you'd seen it all!!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=270 Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40049	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Losing Cory's

Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40050	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40051	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!

I think if these perverts are gonna shove fish into their orrafices they ask for what they get!! Kelly xxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 05 May 2009 14:18 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! I just got my email from PFK also but hadn't read the headline story yet. Worse... at least for us guys... is the story, within the story, about the boy and his Betta. LOL OUCH!!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! Just when you thought you'd seen it all!!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=270 Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40052	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

I throw a chunk of coral in my tanks, they slowly break down, if you touch one you can see small pieces fall off, so if the fish disturb it then it will disolve a little faster. A small chunk is plenty for small tanks. I test my gh/kh periodically to make sure it's in reasonable levels and so far it stays pretty steady in a low-medium low range, I'd have to go find the numbers to give specifics ;) LOL. Are the Cory's in the tank that had water issues? I forget if you cleared those up or if you're waiting for it to go away. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Its been a while since I posted anything on my > current tank conditions and whats happening with > them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, > no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. > > All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? > Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I > lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. > And after a period of about 21 days started to lose > my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. > > Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial > dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary > per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in > the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. > Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that > what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other > fish are just fine. > > To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior > members of the group, that both types of fish are most > conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are > boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at > 6.0 to > 6.5. > > At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" > days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, > prudence > tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua > Clear filter, by > using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not > possible because > of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral > would have to > be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place > it in > a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at > the same rate. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40053	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Doesn't the filter on the 20G have a water reservoir area behind the filter cartridge? I just drop Cuttle Bone (made up of Calcium Carbonate) pieces into the reservoirs of my HOB's and let them slowly dissolve. Of course, with my higher pH, they take a long time to dissolve. They might dissolve faster with your more acidic water parameters. ALL living things need Carbonates. Heck, I wonder if your low KH might even be causing you nitrogen cycle issues since even the nitrifying bacteria need a certain KH level. I know that when Fishless Cycling a tank, if the KH drops too much, the Cycle will stall. Have your fish deaths started since the PolyFilter stuff being added? I thought we dissuaded you from using that since it also purports to remove ammonia, etc., so it could be potentially cause you nitrogen cycle issues if the above mention about KH isn't possibly causing them. You mentioned your ammonia test results. What about nitrite and nitrate? While I know you've tried to stay away from the Water Chemistry issue, if I had your water, I would have to at least do something to buffer it up a little... with at least bringing the KH level up to a level where it would sustain your pH without the chance of a potential pH crash. With such a low pH and KH level, I wonder if you aren't getting pH crashes? Have you been testing it regularly? This LONG article on this very reputable website discusses pH, GH and KH issues. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.html While it's nice if one never has to adjust their water, BUT if the water isn't capable of sustaining life, meaning it doesn't have any life sustaining minerals or elements in it, then some adjustment may be necessary. Wait for \\Steve//, Ray and others to chime in with more info about your VERY LOW GH and ZERO level of KH... or you could go back to your original joining of the group and our lengthy discussion about your water. Of course, back then, you thought your water was a lot different than it actually turned out to be since you didn't have a test kit when you first joined the group so we were going on a lot of speculation. Now that you have your test kit, maybe others will feel like I do and that some adjustment may be necessary. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:31 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40054	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Hi Len,   To tell you the truth, I am using the Poly as only a last ditch type of thing.  It is in the 29.  What your saying about the pH is a lot of what I have been reading about.  It could hold the key to other issues.  It seems strange that the problem only seems to be brothering the Corys but again, they are the ones with the border line pH to 6.0 to 6.5.  The high acid cases, the Tetras and Rams, are doing just fine.   High acid will brother some cats and others not but the pandas and green corys do fall out of this class.  The cuttle bone may be the best advise and I my assuming that you are also giving this suggestion as to dissolve rate?  It will be quicker that the coral?  Unfortunately, the crushed coral is what I have on hand.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:53 AM Doesn't the filter on the 20G have a water reservoir area behind the filter cartridge?  I just drop Cuttle Bone (made up of Calcium Carbonate) pieces into the reservoirs of my HOB's and let them slowly dissolve.  Of course, with my higher pH, they take a long time to dissolve.  They might dissolve faster with your more acidic water parameters.  ALL living things need Carbonates.  Heck, I wonder if your low KH might even be causing you nitrogen cycle issues since even the nitrifying bacteria need a certain KH level.  I know that when Fishless Cycling a tank, if the KH drops too much, the Cycle will stall. Have your fish deaths started since the PolyFilter stuff being added?  I thought we dissuaded you from using that since it also purports to remove ammonia, etc., so it could be potentially cause you nitrogen cycle issues if the above mention about KH isn't possibly causing them.  You mentioned your ammonia test results.  What about nitrite and nitrate? While I know you've tried to stay away from the Water Chemistry issue, if I had your water, I would have to at least do something to buffer it up a little... with at least bringing the KH level up to a level where it would sustain your pH without the chance of a potential pH crash.  With such a low pH and KH level, I wonder if you aren't getting pH crashes?  Have you been testing it regularly? This LONG article on this very reputable website discusses pH, GH and KH issues. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.html While it's nice if one never has to adjust their water, BUT if the water isn't capable of sustaining life, meaning it doesn't have any life sustaining minerals or elements in it, then some adjustment may be necessary. Wait for \\Steve//, Ray and others to chime in with more info about your VERY LOW GH and ZERO level of KH... or you could go back to your original joining of the group and our lengthy discussion about your water.  Of course, back then, you thought your water was a lot different than it actually turned out to be since you didn't have a test kit when you first joined the group so we were going on a lot of speculation.  Now that you have your test kit, maybe others will feel like I do and that some adjustment may be necessary. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:31 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them.  My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine.  Rams, fine.  Corys? Not good.  I am losing a fish every few days.  I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas.  I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change.  I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish.  All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark.  It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions.  The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral.  Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box.  For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank.  Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40055	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Yes, MS finally did a push of IE8 through Windows Updates during their last Super Tuesday monthly update a week or so ago. Since the push out of IE8, I haven't seen any major issues being discussed in any of the computer help groups that I belong to and since many folks have their computers set to do updates automatically, it should mean that most folks got the IE8 update since it was one of the security updates along with an Outlook 2003 spam filter update. I don't think MS would have pushed it out in Windows Updates if they weren't reasonably sure it would work for most folks. Now that I think about it, maybe they didn't push IE8 out to everyone... maybe it was just to certain folks but I got the push on all three of my computers but I run MS Office 2003 on all of my computers so maybe it was just pushed out to folks with MS Office? Did you see a push of IE8 on your computer through Windows Updates??? I also have my computers set to NOT automatically update but only to give me a pop up notice in the system tray when updates are available. Then I use IE and Windows Update website to Custom Install any updates that I choose to take advantage of. I do take advantage of 99% of security updates although I may postpone certain ones like IE8 or Service Packs just to see what the banter is in my favorite computer forums for others who installed the updates. I like to learn as much from other's mistakes as I do from my own! ;-) I WOULD NOT DOWNLOAD IE8 FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN MICROSOFT/WINDOWS UPDATE, AND EVEN THEN, I WOULD SUGGEST DOWNLOADING THE FULL VERSION AND THEN INSTALLING IT RATHER THAN DOING IT THROUGH WINDOWS UPDATES. THAT'S HOW I'M GOING TO DO IT ONCE I DECIDE TO UPGRADE TO IE8. YAHOO TRIES TO CRAM THEIR TOOLBARS INTO EVERYTHING THEY OFFER SO I'M SURE THEY'VE ADDED IT TO "THEIR VERSION" OF IE8. TOOLBARS AND OTHER ADD-ONS ARE OFTEN THE CAUSE OF MANY BROWSER PROBLEMS AND OFTEN EVEN THE CAUSE OF MANY OTHER COMPUTER SECURITY PROBLEMS. While a company like MS can do major R&D to make their product safe, if someone adds something to it that isn't properly secured, then it could add a backdoor to the otherwise safe product. It would be like having a BIG safe in your home and then taping the key or combination to the front of the safe. All of a sudden, that safe isn't very safe any more. I did not install IE8 on any of my computers yet, mainly because I rarely install anything BIG and new on my computers until the program has been publicly released for a month or so, but I don't think it has the same issues that you mentioned. Yes, some of the earlier Beta versions and RC versions had some problems... as all Beta and RC versions are prone to have... that's why they are still in Beta or RC but many of the problems are usually due to the PICNIC, not the program. I've seen WAY too many folks that barely know how to do anything technical with their computers trying to use Beta programs and they simply should not try to Beta test anything if they are not familiar with fixing problems related to their computers. I regularly Beta test many programs that I use or like, even for Microsoft ;-), although I did not get in on the IE8 Beta testing since I was too busy with work when it first came out for Beta testing. The last BIG Beta test that I did for MS was for their MS Office Accounting 2007 which I use for my business accounting. I kind of wish I would have been in on the IE8 and Windows 7 Beta testing though. I'm probably going to upgrade to IE8 on my newer Vista laptop and see how it goes on their first. As far as backing up files, might I suggest Mozy. I actually was involved in the initial Beta testing of Mozy several years ago and have been using it since then. It's FREE for the first 2GB which is good for most folks for their "My Documents" and "My Pictures" folders. If you want unlimited online and encrypted backup, it's only $4.95 a month. Click here for more info on using Mozy - - FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will automatically back up your most important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your computer. I've compared Mozy and Carbonite and like Mozy better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40056	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!!

Hey now... I resemble that remark! Oops.. I meant resent that remark! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! I think if these perverts are gonna shove fish into their orrafices they ask for what they get!! Kelly xxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: 05 May 2009 14:18 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! I just got my email from PFK also but hadn't read the headline story yet. Worse... at least for us guys... is the story, within the story, about the boy and his Betta. LOL OUCH!!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] 50cm eel removed from man's rectum!!!! Just when you thought you'd seen it all!!!! http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=270 Love Kelly xxxxxxxxxx

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40057	From: gail	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie)   thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40058	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40059	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Crushed coral is also primarily Calcium Carbonate so it should do the same or similar thing as Cuttle Bone. I just know that a Cuttle Bone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuttlebone comes from inside a Cuttlefish (actually like a squid) and is part of their swim bladder function so it has no man-made additives, where I have no clue where the crushed coral comes from and whether it's safe or not. Do you sterilize it first? If you read that long article, the author mentioned that using crushed aragonite would be better than crushed coral and if you read the Cuttlebone Wikipedia article above, you'll see that "Cuttlebone is composed primarily of aragonite." which is one of the reasons I started using Cuttle Bone a while back. That.. and that's it's readily available at my local PetsMart and a 3-pack for $1.99 lasts me for years. It's found in the pet bird section in case you didn't know that already. I had a couple of parakeets many years ago so I knew this already. Don't get the flavored Cuttle Bones that they now sell. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Len,   To tell you the truth, I am using the Poly as only a last ditch type of thing.  It is in the 29.  What your saying about the pH is a lot of what I have been reading about.  It could hold the key to other issues.  It seems strange that the problem only seems to be brothering the Corys but again, they are the ones with the border line pH to 6.0 to 6.5.  The high acid cases, the Tetras and Rams, are doing just fine.   High acid will brother some cats and others not but the pandas and green corys do fall out of this class.  The cuttle bone may be the best advise and I my assuming that you are also giving this suggestion as to dissolve rate?  It will be quicker that the coral?  Unfortunately, the crushed coral is what I have on hand.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:53 AM Doesn't the filter on the 20G have a water reservoir area behind the filter cartridge?  I just drop Cuttle Bone (made up of Calcium Carbonate) pieces into the reservoirs of my HOB's and let them slowly dissolve.  Of course, with my higher pH, they take a long time to dissolve.  They might dissolve faster with your more acidic water parameters.  ALL living things need Carbonates.  Heck, I wonder if your low KH might even be causing you nitrogen cycle issues since even the nitrifying bacteria need a certain KH level.  I know that when Fishless Cycling a tank, if the KH drops too much, the Cycle will stall. Have your fish deaths started since the PolyFilter stuff being added?  I thought we dissuaded you from using that since it also purports to remove ammonia, etc., so it could be potentially cause you nitrogen cycle issues if the above mention about KH isn't possibly causing them.  You mentioned your ammonia test results.  What about nitrite and nitrate? While I know you've tried to stay away from the Water Chemistry issue, if I had your water, I would have to at least do something to buffer it up a little... with at least bringing the KH level up to a level where it would sustain your pH without the chance of a potential pH crash.  With such a low pH and KH level, I wonder if you aren't getting pH crashes?  Have you been testing it regularly? This LONG article on this very reputable website discusses pH, GH and KH issues. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.html While it's nice if one never has to adjust their water, BUT if the water isn't capable of sustaining life, meaning it doesn't have any life sustaining minerals or elements in it, then some adjustment may be necessary. Wait for \\Steve//, Ray and others to chime in with more info about your VERY LOW GH and ZERO level of KH... or you could go back to your original joining of the group and our lengthy discussion about your water.  Of course, back then, you thought your water was a lot different than it actually turned out to be since you didn't have a test kit when you first joined the group so we were going on a lot of speculation.  Now that you have your test kit, maybe others will feel like I do and that some adjustment may be necessary. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:31 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them.  My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine.  Rams, fine.  Corys? Not good.  I am losing a fish every few days.  I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas.  I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change.  I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish.  All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark.  It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions.  The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral.  Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box.  For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank.  Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40060	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Hi Gail,   The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium.   It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH.   If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium.  This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis.  That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more.    Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it.  You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this.   I strongly advise you to stay away from it.  It should only be done as an absolute last resort.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie)   thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill       [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40061	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping.. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40062	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Cuttlebone----Len

Lenny,   My biggest source of worry about all of this is the constant monitoring of the aquariums parameters.    What are the reaction times?  Do I need to anything, or add anything else?  I am remembering our talk long ago about using the baking soda.  And for a final comment?  Would I have to also adjust any new or from PWC per week or just let the cuttlebone do its stuff?   I do not want to turn this into a "Max Project" as I am a firm believer in the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) method.   more comments please,   Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40063	From: David Keymel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

IE8 is now considered a critical update for winxp users. I noticed this week it pushed out for Vista also, so looks like everyone gets to play in the IE8 sandbox. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Yes, MS finally did a push of IE8 through Windows Updates during their last > Super Tuesday monthly update a week or so ago. Since the push out of IE8, I > haven't seen any major issues being discussed in any of the computer help > groups that I belong to and since many folks have their computers set to do > updates automatically, it should mean that most folks got the IE8 update > since it was one of the security updates along with an Outlook 2003 spam > filter update. I don't think MS would have pushed it out in Windows Updates > if they weren't reasonably sure it would work for most folks. Now that I > think about it, maybe they didn't push IE8 out to everyone... maybe it was > just to certain folks but I got the push on all three of my computers but I > run MS Office 2003 on all of my computers so maybe it was just pushed out to > folks with MS Office? Did you see a push of IE8 on your computer through > Windows Updates??? I also have my computers set to NOT automatically update > but only to give me a pop up notice in the system tray when updates are > available. Then I use IE and Windows Update website to Custom Install any > updates that I choose to take advantage of. I do take advantage of 99% of > security updates although I may postpone certain ones like IE8 or Service > Packs just to see what the banter is in my favorite computer forums for > others who installed the updates. I like to learn as much from other's > mistakes as I do from my own! ;-) > > I WOULD NOT DOWNLOAD IE8 FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN MICROSOFT/WINDOWS UPDATE, > AND EVEN THEN, I WOULD SUGGEST DOWNLOADING THE FULL VERSION AND THEN > INSTALLING IT RATHER THAN DOING IT THROUGH WINDOWS UPDATES. THAT'S HOW I'M > GOING TO DO IT ONCE I DECIDE TO UPGRADE TO IE8. YAHOO TRIES TO CRAM THEIR > TOOLBARS INTO EVERYTHING THEY OFFER SO I'M SURE THEY'VE ADDED IT TO "THEIR > VERSION" OF IE8. TOOLBARS AND OTHER ADD-ONS ARE OFTEN THE CAUSE OF MANY > BROWSER PROBLEMS AND OFTEN EVEN THE CAUSE OF MANY OTHER COMPUTER SECURITY > PROBLEMS. While a company like MS can do major R&D to make their product > safe, if someone adds something to it that isn't properly secured, then it > could add a backdoor to the otherwise safe product. It would be like having > a BIG safe in your home and then taping the key or combination to the front > of the safe. All of a sudden, that safe isn't very safe any more. > > I did not install IE8 on any of my computers yet, mainly because I rarely > install anything BIG and new on my computers until the program has been > publicly released for a month or so, but I don't think it has the same > issues that you mentioned. Yes, some of the earlier Beta versions and RC > versions had some problems... as all Beta and RC versions are prone to > have... that's why they are still in Beta or RC but many of the problems are > usually due to the PICNIC, not the program. I've seen WAY too many folks > that barely know how to do anything technical with their computers trying to > use Beta programs and they simply should not try to Beta test anything if > they are not familiar with fixing problems related to their computers. > > I regularly Beta test many programs that I use or like, even for Microsoft > ;-), although I did not get in on the IE8 Beta testing since I was too busy > with work when it first came out for Beta testing. The last BIG Beta test > that I did for MS was for their MS Office Accounting 2007 which I use for my > business accounting. I kind of wish I would have been in on the IE8 and > Windows 7 Beta testing though. I'm probably going to upgrade to IE8 on my > newer Vista laptop and see how it goes on their first. > > As far as backing up files, might I suggest Mozy. I actually was involved > in the initial Beta testing of Mozy several years ago and have been using it > since then. It's FREE for the first 2GB which is good for most folks for > their "My Documents" and "My Pictures" folders. If you want unlimited > online and encrypted backup, it's only $4.95 a month. Click here for more > info on using Mozy - - FREE and automatic online remote backup of your > documents, photos and files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how > simple and secure it can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will > automatically back up your most important files and folders every day/night > while you aren't using your computer. I've compared Mozy and Carbonite and > like Mozy better. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:42 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a > "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems > to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers > directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it > should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto > a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system > should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are > usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up > all of your files for safe keeping. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40064	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail,   The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium.   It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH.   If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium.  This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis.  That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more.    Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it.  You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this.   I strongly advise you to stay away from it.  It should only be done as an absolute last resort.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie)   thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40065	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

No,   No veggies of any kind.  They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing.  As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit.  You could start with a fractional dose.  I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH.  Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing.  Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss.  Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water.  Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail,   The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium.   It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH.   If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium.  This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis.  That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more.    Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it.  You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this.   I strongly advise you to stay away from it.  It should only be done as an absolute last resort.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie)   thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40066	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40067	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len

Well, I start off with moderately hard, higher pH water so the cuttle bone dissolves very slowly for me. I'm not sure how fast it would dissolve for you but the good thing about it, is that it will still only slowly change your water parameters and then when you do your weekly filter maintenance, as you see the amount of cuttle bone (or crushed coral) diminishing in amount, you just add a little more. I mainly started doing this on my goldfish tank to maintain the KH between weekly maintenance since, even with only two fancy goldfish and a juvi clown pleco in the 65G tank, it's a BIG bioload on the tank. Between the fish, plants, nitrifying bacteria, etc., there's LOTS of life forms that need carbonates in that tank. I also add Cuttle Bone to my Cherry Shrimp tank since they need added calcium for their shells but since that tank is heavily planted, the carbonates also are good for the plants. You'll have to rely on your testing to know if the water is getting too hard for you/your fish. Adding a pinch of salt per 10G will also provide some sodium and chloride to the mix to help raise the GH (with the sodium) and the chloride helps with gill function. You don't need a lot of salt for this.... just a pinch per 10G of regular table salt... regular or iodized. Of course, using Prime or other dechlor will add some sodium to the water too. I DO NOT use any kinds of fertilizers on my tanks other than God's fertilizer, PWC's and fish poop. LOL I don't see Him adding any kinds of fertilizer tabs or dosing our lakes and rivers with bottled stuff... do you? ;-) Of course, I am lucky to have nutrient/mineral rich water to start with though since our water comes from the Mississippi River so it's got 20+ States worth of stuff in the water by the time it gets down here to us. Just the right mix of storm and drain waste water with leaking automobile oil pans and transmission pans run-off, chemical plant run-off, farmland run-off, container ship bilge dumping, miscellaneous oil spills, etc.... oh yeah... and rain and melting snow... to make it just perfect mix!!! MMMMMMMM.. Yummy! Actually, our water is ranked up there as one of the best tasting waters when they do the blind taste tests on city waters. http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/11/us/a-sip-of-the-mississippi-wins-big-taste -test.html?sec=health&&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/C/Contests%20 and%20Prizes&pagewanted=all "...But as the last glassful was swirled and quaffed and New York City officials looked on glumly, the judges awarded first prize to New Orleans' Mississippi River water..." "...But, in a similar test, sponsored with different samples from the same cities last week by The Dallas Morning News, New Orleans also was the clear winner...." Yeah, I know that was back in 1984... lol.. but N'Awlins water has done well in taste testing since then also. Now.. don't go running our water through a Mass Spectrometer as it will probably peg out all parameters... but it tastes good! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:57 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len Lenny,   My biggest source of worry about all of this is the constant monitoring of the aquariums parameters.    What are the reaction times?  Do I need to anything, or add anything else?  I am remembering our talk long ago about using the baking soda.  And for a final comment?  Would I have to also adjust any new or from PWC per week or just let the cuttlebone do its stuff?   I do not want to turn this into a "Max Project" as I am a firm believer in the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) method.   more comments please,   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40068	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No,   No veggies of any kind.  They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing.  As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit.  You could start with a fractional dose.  I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH.  Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing.  Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss.  Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water.  Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail,   The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium.   It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH.   If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium.  This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis.  That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more.    Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it.  You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this.   I strongly advise you to stay away from it.  It should only be done as an absolute last resort.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie)   thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40069	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating Systems and Browsers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40070	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

I haven't seen Micro wafers. I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they get hungry enough they will start to eat them? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more. Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an absolute last resort. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40071	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

My firefox is fine. I can't say about Chrome, I'm not using it. safari is working well too. My default browser isn't IE.. it's Firefox. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating Systems and Browsers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40072	From: diogenes33	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Ich problem update

Thanks to everyone who responded to my ich problem. In my haste I neglected to give all the necessary information. It is a newly setup 20 gallon tank, fully cycled, no live plants and containing 6 cardinal tetras (my first additions). I've gradually raised the temp to 87 and despite the loss overnight of 1 fish the others seem to be doing well. I see a noticeable decrease in spots. I plan on doing a 30% water change tomorrow during which I'll add additional salt. Thanks again for all the help and I'll keep you posted. Bob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40073	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ich problem update

Make sure you use your normal cold water mix of water and then heat it up to 87F before doing the PWC. DO NOT just use more hot water heater heated water to raise the temp as hot water heater water has a much lower mineral content and water chemistry compared to cold tap water. If you have an instant on-demand hot water system, then that would probably be OK since the water isn't in a tank distilling for hours on end before being used. This distilling causes many of the minerals, buffers, etc., to come out of solution and settle down in the bottom of a hot water heater. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diogenes33 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Ich problem update Thanks to everyone who responded to my ich problem. In my haste I neglected to give all the necessary information. It is a newly setup 20 gallon tank, fully cycled, no live plants and containing 6 cardinal tetras (my first additions). I've gradually raised the temp to 87 and despite the loss overnight of 1 fish the others seem to be doing well. I see a noticeable decrease in spots. I plan on doing a 30% water change tomorrow during which I'll add additional salt. Thanks again for all the help and I'll keep you posted. Bob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40074	From: David Keymel	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

Windows 7 is very cool, even in its RC stages. Its just like vista only better. They made changes with the task bar that are unusual, but it works pretty well, i like it, esp the way they handle the tray icons on the right by the clock. thats always been a mess in windows, now its a little easier. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download > and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP > machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the > guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. > > I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent > months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista > so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still > have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new > Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. > > On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both > FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems > with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market > share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... > but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating > Systems and Browsers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Suzi > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it > downloaded IE8. > the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click > on Run as Administrator. > If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dora Smith > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and > fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer > 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong > to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for > your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not > use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem > with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it > if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but > it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised > and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe > keeping. > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40075	From: tmgarza84	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: reef tank?

i am wanting to start a reef tank.... what is the best thing for a begginer to have and could i add fish to this later? my tank is about 30 gallons

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40076	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len

Len, my old friend (I met time not age! no disrespect intended), every once in a while you will make comment or give advise on a given subject and it will lead down many roads.  This is one of those times.   Lets get specific here.  I buy the cuttlebone and put same, in filter.  Whats going to happen exactly?  We know at some point we should start to see a change in over-all hardness BUT about the pH?  Is the baking soda needed to raise or do we wait until we see the hardness come up and then add the soda to raise the pH where we want it.  Also, what about water changes?  Just use a bit of soda?  (baking not drinking).   From my understanding so far, the cuttlebone acts as the "buffer" to give the pH stability.    Now do I have some, all or none of this correct?  Let us establish a definite course of action for me to follow.  Before I drowned up here.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:54 PM Well, I start off with moderately hard, higher pH water so the cuttle bone dissolves very slowly for me.  I'm not sure how fast it would dissolve for you but the good thing about it, is that it will still only slowly change your water parameters and then when you do your weekly filter maintenance, as you see the amount of cuttle bone (or crushed coral) diminishing in amount, you just add a little more.  I mainly started doing this on my goldfish tank to maintain the KH between weekly maintenance since, even with only two fancy goldfish and a juvi clown pleco in the 65G tank, it's a BIG bioload on the tank.  Between the fish, plants, nitrifying bacteria, etc., there's LOTS of life forms that need carbonates in that tank.  I also add Cuttle Bone to my Cherry Shrimp tank since they need added calcium for their shells but since that tank is heavily planted, the carbonates also are good for the plants.  You'll have to rely on your testing to know if the water is getting too hard for you/your fish.  Adding a pinch of salt per 10G will also provide some sodium and chloride to the mix to help raise the GH (with the sodium) and the chloride helps with gill function.  You don't need a lot of salt for this.... just a pinch per 10G of regular table salt... regular or iodized. Of course, using Prime or other dechlor will add some sodium to the water too. I DO NOT use any kinds of fertilizers on my tanks other than God's fertilizer, PWC's and fish poop. LOL  I don't see Him adding any kinds of fertilizer tabs or dosing our lakes and rivers with bottled stuff... do you? ;-)  Of course, I am lucky to have nutrient/mineral rich water to start with though since our water comes from the Mississippi River so it's got 20+ States worth of stuff in the water by the time it gets down here to us. Just the right mix of storm and drain waste water with leaking automobile oil pans and transmission pans run-off, chemical plant run-off, farmland run-off, container ship bilge dumping, miscellaneous oil spills, etc.... oh yeah... and rain and melting snow... to make it just perfect mix!!! MMMMMMMM.. Yummy!    Actually, our water is ranked up there as one of the best tasting waters when they do the blind taste tests on city waters.  http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/11/us/a-sip-of-the-mississippi-wins-big-taste -test.html?sec=health&&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/C/Contests%20 and%20Prizes&pagewanted=all "...But as the last glassful was swirled and quaffed and New York City officials looked on glumly, the judges awarded first prize to New Orleans' Mississippi River water..." "...But, in a similar test, sponsored with different samples from the same cities last week by The Dallas Morning News, New Orleans also was the clear winner...." Yeah, I know that was back in 1984... lol.. but N'Awlins water has done well in taste testing since then also.  Now.. don't go running our water through a Mass Spectrometer as it will probably peg out all parameters... but it tastes good! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:57 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len Lenny,   My biggest source of worry about all of this is the constant monitoring of the aquariums parameters.    What are the reaction times?  Do I need to anything, or add anything else?  I am remembering our talk long ago about using the baking soda.  And for a final comment?  Would I have to also adjust any new or from PWC per week or just let the cuttlebone do its stuff?   I do not want to turn this into a "Max Project" as I am a firm believer in the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) method.   more comments please,   Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40077	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all

I'm sure Bill Gates appreciates your support. He's back in the number one spot as the richest man in the world after suffering through no. 2 for 2008. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 2:13 PM Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating Systems and Browsers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40078	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping.. Bill ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40079	From: bill1433	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

HI Harry,   I have heard that too.  I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE?   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM                                         Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping... Bill ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40080	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this./Bill

I've never had problems with it. If your talking about book marking favorites, it's different but not hard to do. You won't lose anything. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:31 PM HI Harry,   I have heard that too.  I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE?   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM                                         Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping... Bill ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40081	From: Lisa Lawless	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to a planted tank

Oh the only reason i say no links, is because our computer has been having trouble with opening links and dealing with attached viruses at the moment. So I'm only safe guarding our hard drive.   Lisa     The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40082	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)

What do you mean by "I haven't seen Micro wafers."? For slow eating fish like most bottom feeders, it's good to feed the other fish first with their food and while they are on one end of the tank, drop the bottom feeder food on the other end. It will take a little while but they'll soon learn where to go to eat. As far as switching fish to a new food, do it while you still have some of the old food and when you feed the old food, sprinkle in some of the new food so they'll realize it's food. Once they start eating it OK, then you can slowly reduce the amount of the old food until it's gone and all you are feeding is the new food. This is also good to do with almost all pets so you do not upset their digestive systems too much by doing an abrupt switch in foods. It seems many fish suffer from IBS. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's I haven't seen Micro wafers. I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they get hungry enough they will start to eat them? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more. Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an absolute last resort. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40083	From: Kelly	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: reef tank?

I have a 200 litre reef tank – I have 2 clownfish, 3 pyjama cardinals, 1 yellow tang, 2 blue damsels and 2 hermit crabs, 1 red, 1 blue Oh and probably at least 20 bristleworms!!!! I have some leather finger coral amonst other stuff that has grown over the 4 years and live rock All our fish get on fine, no-one fights or trys to eat each other – it's taken me 4 years to find a happy medium – we started with sand at the bottom and had a few gobys and blennies and experimented with spider crabs and wrasses and found fish were disappearing!! Now we have small stones instead of sand and find it at lot easier to maintain We were given a cheap arse skimmer – noisy as hell but wow it does the job great Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tmgarza84 Sent: 05 May 2009 20:12 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] reef tank? i am wanting to start a reef tank.... what is the best thing for a begginer to have and could i add fish to this later? my tank is about 30 gallons [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40084	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all

LOL.. I hope he reads AquaticLife and thinks of me in his will... or the next time he's feeling gifty! Throw a million or two down this way Uncle Bill! ;-) On a side note, I did see my first complaint, in another computer related Yahoo Group, complaining about IE8 but she also mentioned that "none of my toolbars are showing up, they are all black" and I suspect this is a PICNIC problem. I'm betting that the install instructions probably say to uninstall any toolbars first, especially some of the spyware toolbars that so many folks have on their computers. The only toolbar I've ever run on IE is RoboForm as my password manager and forms filler but I even plan on uninstalling it and most other non-standard add-ons from IE7 before I upgrade to IE8. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all I'm sure Bill Gates appreciates your support. He's back in the number one spot as the richest man in the world after suffering through no. 2 for 2008. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 2:13 PM Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating Systems and Browsers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40085	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their Windows Updates manually like I do. For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and tweaks that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or conflicts. Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the person in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is NOT going to fix that problem. Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are constantly a mess. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. HI Harry,   I have heard that too.  I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE?   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM                                         Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping... Bill ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40086	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish

I think she is constipated..she has been on the bottom of the tank and moves only to eat.....I just gave her some Peas....I tested the water all is fine.....she has never done this..

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40087	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to a planted tank

Do you need help getting it cleaned up? Email me off list or I can direct you to one of the many computer help forums that I belong to with Yahoo Groups or regular website forums. A very busy Yahoo Group for computer help is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/computer_help_and_discussion or you can join via email at computer_help_and_discussion-subscribe@yahoogroups.com An online forum that I regularly refer folks to is http://www.PCPitStop.com, then click on their forums. I used to frequent CastleCops but it shut down last year and most of the veterans went to PCPitStop so I know there are many experienced folks on there. There are several really GREAT and FREE computer security programs that will get your computer cleaned up for free. Running these three FREE and stand-alone programs, A-Squared FREE, MalwareBytes AntiMalware and SuperAntiSpyware will clean up most computers. I've also been using Comodo Internet Security on all three of my computer for the past 3-6 months and find it's very efficient, uses few resources during normal running in the background compared to any other security suite or three separate programs that I've used over the years. It's free also and when you first install it, you have to reboot your computer and it will do a boot level antivirus and antimalware scan and catch most stuff but the other three above will finish the job. I could email you the installation programs if your incoming email can handle large attachments, since an infested computer will normally prevent you from even going to some antimalware sites. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Lawless Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Wanting to convert to a planted tank Oh the only reason i say no links, is because our computer has been having trouble with opening links and dealing with attached viruses at the moment. So I'm only safe guarding our hard drive.   Lisa

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40088	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)

thanks Lenny.. Bill, mentioned Micro Wafers. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) What do you mean by "I haven't seen Micro wafers."? For slow eating fish like most bottom feeders, it's good to feed the other fish first with their food and while they are on one end of the tank, drop the bottom feeder food on the other end. It will take a little while but they'll soon learn where to go to eat. As far as switching fish to a new food, do it while you still have some of the old food and when you feed the old food, sprinkle in some of the new food so they'll realize it's food. Once they start eating it OK, then you can slowly reduce the amount of the old food until it's gone and all you are feeding is the new food. This is also good to do with almost all pets so you do not upset their digestive systems too much by doing an abrupt switch in foods. It seems many fish suffer from IBS. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's I haven't seen Micro wafers. I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they get hungry enough they will start to eat them? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more. Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an absolute last resort. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40089	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

Very good Lenny. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their Windows Updates manually like I do. For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and tweaks that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or conflicts. Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the person in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is NOT going to fix that problem. Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are constantly a mess. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. HI Harry, I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE? Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it! This is were all the problems come into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full system reload does. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40090	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Hopefully you have more than 1 peppered cory as they are only happy in a group of at least 3 cory's minimum. They are a shoaling fish that likes to huddle together or sometimes swim together in groups. My cory's like to swim laps around the tank together, they take turns pairing or grouping up. Also if you have been feeding fish one type of food and never another type they will often find it hard to distinguish this new food as food. Sometimes it will take a few tries before they notice it, other fish are picky and won't eat some foods at all for whatever reason is in their little head ;). If you are dropping in pellets that sink and they aren't swimming after them as they drop, they might not be interested in them at all, or they might not find them until later if they didn't notice the sinking movement. Most fish will be attracted with movement in the tank and will try to eat anything small that moves. Are you trying sinking or floating pellets? Amber Suzi wrote: > > > I haven't seen Micro wafers. > I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. > I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the > cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. > > I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start > eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they > get hungry enough they will start to eat them? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Check the ingredients on your fish foods. > > I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the > foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between > some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... > not too > natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good > natural fish > food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. > > The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The > Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae > Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers > also > have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of > meals > and flours than the Omega One foods. > > Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very > little > natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I > bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the > ingredients > and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five > ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat > Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be > considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied > feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of > it so > I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The > other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for > fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and > floaty issues already. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > No, > > No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from > Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from > time to time. > > Bill > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM > > Bill, > > I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your > fish" > as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they > would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. > > I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one > does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled > products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone > who is > very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and > even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called > bottled solutions. > > The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as > well. > > You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not > want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at > something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and > minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could > start > with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so > low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the > trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do > their > thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. > Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals > added and > maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just > succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their > foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies > like peas, zucchini, etc.? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Hi Gail, > > The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your > aquarium. > > It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, > your pH. > > If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your > aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and > constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily > basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one > more. > > Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to > continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water > parameters. > Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. > > I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an > absolute last resort. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: gail <clandestine662002@... > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM > > I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I > am not > familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) > > thanks, > Gail > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@... > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM > > Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and > whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, > no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. > > All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? > Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald > greens, > one after the other. > And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have > 3 left > out of 8 in the 20 long. > > Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the > 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also > installed > the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being > installed. > Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is > disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. > > To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior > members > of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH > conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, > preferring > slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. > > At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" > days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, > prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a > Aqua > Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, > this > is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room > so the > crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of > course, for > control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would > dissolve and buffer at the same rate. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40091	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

I also have a pepper cory albino cory and 3 panda corys i tend to feed them at night. i usually drop 3 algae wafers at night there all gone by the morning. all i now there belly's look full all the time. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 9:10 PM Hopefully you have more than 1 peppered cory as they are only happy in a group of at least 3 cory's minimum. They are a shoaling fish that likes to huddle together or sometimes swim together in groups. My cory's like to swim laps around the tank together, they take turns pairing or grouping up. Also if you have been feeding fish one type of food and never another type they will often find it hard to distinguish this new food as food. Sometimes it will take a few tries before they notice it, other fish are picky and won't eat some foods at all for whatever reason is in their little head ;). If you are dropping in pellets that sink and they aren't swimming after them as they drop, they might not be interested in them at all, or they might not find them until later if they didn't notice the sinking movement. Most fish will be attracted with movement in the tank and will try to eat anything small that moves. Are you trying sinking or floating pellets? Amber Suzi wrote: > > > I haven't seen Micro wafers. > I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. > I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the > cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. > > I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start > eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they > get hungry enough they will start to eat them? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi > <http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Check the ingredients on your fish foods. > > I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the > foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between > some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... > not too > natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good > natural fish > food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. > > The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The > Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae > Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers > also > have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of > meals > and flours than the Omega One foods. > > Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very > little > natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I > bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the > ingredients > and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five > ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat > Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be > considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied > feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of > it so > I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The > other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for > fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and > floaty issues already. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > No, > > No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from > Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from > time to time. > > Bill > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM > > Bill, > > I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your > fish" > as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they > would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. > > I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one > does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled > products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone > who is > very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and > even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called > bottled solutions. > > The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as > well. > > You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not > want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at > something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and > minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could > start > with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so > low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the > trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do > their > thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. > Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals > added and > maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just > succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their > foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies > like peas, zucchini, etc.? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Hi Gail, > > The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your > aquarium. > > It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, > your pH. > > If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your > aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and > constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily > basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one > more. > > Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to > continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water > parameters. > Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. > > I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an > absolute last resort. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > From: gail <clandestine662002@ yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine 662002%40yahoo. com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM > > I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I > am not > familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) > > thanks, > Gail > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com > <mailto:warrenprint %40yahoo. com>> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com <mailto:warrenprint %40yahoo. com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM > > Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and > whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, > no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. > > All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? > Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald > greens, > one after the other. > And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have > 3 left > out of 8 in the 20 long. > > Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the > 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also > installed > the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being > installed. > Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is > disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. > > To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior > members > of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH > conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, > preferring > slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. > > At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" > days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, > prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a > Aqua > Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, > this > is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room > so the > crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of > course, for > control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would > dissolve and buffer at the same rate. > > Bill > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -digest%40yahoog roups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -nomail%40yahoog roups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > <mailto:aquaticlife -normal%40yahoog roups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40092	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Otos stable at 4 in tank

It's been three or four weeks since I last lost an oto; I seem to have a stable group of four of them in my tank. It is not a planted tank. I feed them rocks that I grow algae on in plastic containers of aquarium water in the back yard, ocean nutrition seaweed select green marine algae (comes in dried sheets), spinach, and occasionally Lenny's fish food recipe, dried. My danios are also rather chubby. Amazingly enough, part of my success is that I got my last bunch of otos at Petsmart. I've actually been having better luck there than at the fish stores. The otos actually looked content, and were feeding on the couple of plants in the tank they were in, which was not overcrowded. I don't think they were as starved as usual. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40093	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

At least two Texas state agency employment web sites - the job search and application functions- will only work in Internet Explorer. This probably does not violate Lenny's statement. I assume some real dinosaurs are doing IT at those agencies. However, i fone wants to look for work, one has to ahve IE handy. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:18 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their Windows Updates manually like I do. For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and tweaks that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or conflicts. Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the person in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is NOT going to fix that problem. Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are constantly a mess. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. HI Harry, I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE? Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it! This is were all the problems come into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full system reload does. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40094	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)

OOH OK. Bill was probably referring to Hikari Micro Wafers http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=13926 although he might be buying his food from Hikari's new production facility in Haiti, which is packaged under the Hiatie brand name, which is a morph of Haiti and Hikari. ;-) (Just kidding Bill.. lol) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) thanks Lenny.. Bill, mentioned Micro Wafers. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) What do you mean by "I haven't seen Micro wafers."? For slow eating fish like most bottom feeders, it's good to feed the other fish first with their food and while they are on one end of the tank, drop the bottom feeder food on the other end. It will take a little while but they'll soon learn where to go to eat. As far as switching fish to a new food, do it while you still have some of the old food and when you feed the old food, sprinkle in some of the new food so they'll realize it's food. Once they start eating it OK, then you can slowly reduce the amount of the old food until it's gone and all you are feeding is the new food. This is also good to do with almost all pets so you do not upset their digestive systems too much by doing an abrupt switch in foods. It seems many fish suffer from IBS. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's I haven't seen Micro wafers. I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they get hungry enough they will start to eat them? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more. Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an absolute last resort. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40095	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:07:18 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, � No veggies of any kind. �They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. � Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing.� As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit.� You could start with a fractional dose.� I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH.� Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing.� Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss.� Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water.� Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, � The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. � It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. � If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium.� This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis.� That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more.� � Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it.� You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. � I strongly advise you to stay away from it.� It should only be done as an absolute last resort. � Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) � thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40096	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

Iuse both because I have to as a web developer. I prefer IE. FF has just as many issues, so nobody is perfect. The thing I hate is that web technologies work differnt in the various browsers, which makes my job much more difficult...especially when i have to make a site cross browser compatible. The major deficiency/weakness of any browser is between the keyboard and the chair. :-D Eric On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>wrote: > > > I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has > add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, > compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates > though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their > Windows > Updates manually like I do. > > For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other > browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go > through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and > tweaks > that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks > to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or > conflicts. > > Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer > than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the > person > in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is > NOT going to fix that problem. > > Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your > browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the > world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the > night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The > obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security > (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, > downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are > constantly a mess. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > HI Harry, > > I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old > favorite sites visited or created by IE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...<harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: harry perry <harryfisherman@... <harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM > > I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> > > Just Google it.. > > Harry > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...<warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM > > > > > > > Yours is easy to answer Dora, > > Don't try it! This is were all the problems come > > into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full > > system reload does. > > > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and > > fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer > > 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong > > to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for > > your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not > > use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem > > with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it > > if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but > > it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised > > and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe > keeping... > > Bill > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option > where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40097	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

No...it's because there is more support for IE...it has nothing to do with bewing a dinosaur. In the 10 years that I have been a IT pro, I have yet to run across a company who's official browser was anything but IE. Some allowed thier employees to use other browsers, but most had strict regs that forced thier employees to use IE. From a development standpoint for internal applications, it makes more sense to develop for a single browser. Eric On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > At least two Texas state agency employment web sites - the job search and > application functions- will only work in Internet Explorer. > > This probably does not violate Lenny's statement. I assume some real > dinosaurs are doing IT at those agencies. However, i fone wants to look > for work, one has to ahve IE handy. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:18 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has > add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, > compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates > though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their > Windows > Updates manually like I do. > > For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other > browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go > through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and > tweaks > that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks > to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or > conflicts. > > Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer > than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the > person > in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is > NOT going to fix that problem. > > Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your > browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the > world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the > night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The > obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security > (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, > downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are > constantly a mess. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > HI Harry, > > I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old > favorite sites visited or created by IE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@...<harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: harry perry <harryfisherman@... <harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM > > I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> > > Just Google it.. > > Harry > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...<warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM > > Yours is easy to answer Dora, > > Don't try it! This is were all the problems come > > into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full > > system reload does. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and > > fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer > > 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong > > to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for > > your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not > > use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem > > with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it > > if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but > > it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40098	From: Suzi	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's)

oh wow! they sure are micro.. aren't they! thanks Lenny.. now I know what they are. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) OOH OK. Bill was probably referring to Hikari Micro Wafers http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=13926 although he might be buying his food from Hikari's new production facility in Haiti, which is packaged under the Hiatie brand name, which is a morph of Haiti and Hikari. ;-) (Just kidding Bill.. lol) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) thanks Lenny.. Bill, mentioned Micro Wafers. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Suzi's feeding questions (was: Losing Cory's) What do you mean by "I haven't seen Micro wafers."? For slow eating fish like most bottom feeders, it's good to feed the other fish first with their food and while they are on one end of the tank, drop the bottom feeder food on the other end. It will take a little while but they'll soon learn where to go to eat. As far as switching fish to a new food, do it while you still have some of the old food and when you feed the old food, sprinkle in some of the new food so they'll realize it's food. Once they start eating it OK, then you can slowly reduce the amount of the old food until it's gone and all you are feeding is the new food. This is also good to do with almost all pets so you do not upset their digestive systems too much by doing an abrupt switch in foods. It seems many fish suffer from IBS. :-P Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:14 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's I haven't seen Micro wafers. I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they get hungry enough they will start to eat them? ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's No, No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from time to time. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM Bill, I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called bottled solutions. The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies like peas, zucchini, etc.? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hi Gail, The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your aquarium. It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, your pH. If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one more. Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water parameters. Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an absolute last resort. Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: From: gail <clandestine662002@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) thanks, Gail --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40099	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: PICNIC acronym and other computer stuff (was: Losing Cory's)

PICNIC is an acronym for "Problem In Chair, Not In Computer", meaning that the majority of computer problems are due to the user, not the computer. I think it was Eric who mentioned that the majority of browser problems are due to the connection between the chair and the keyboard, meaning the same as PICNIC. ;-) I'm all for folks being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century and learning everything they can about computers... but with this adventure comes a certain responsibility to practice safe computing. If every one did, then the rest of us wouldn't have to spend so much time keeping our computers from getting infested or helping others to clean up their computers. I spend a few hours a week, pro-bono, helping friends, relatives and neighbors with their computer probs. The majority of spam and malware (viruses, trojans, spyware, etc.) that infects computers come from other computers that are infected/hacked and are now part of a bot-net being controlled by hackers all over the world and these hackers use the person's computer to do more of their nasty deeds. That first computer, when it gets infected is then used to start infecting other computers. If the first one didn't get infected, then nobody else would have to worry. There's NO reason for folks to not practice safe computing since there are a multitude of FREE security programs that are GREAT programs and it just takes about 30 minutes a week to run the various manual definition updates that are often needed on many of the free programs. Comodo Internet Security and some of the other free antivirus programs does do automatic definition updates on a daily basis and will also run scans of your entire computer daily but the 3-4 free anti-malware programs that I mentioned earlier do need to be updated manually and the scans need to be run manually. There is no single security program that will catch everything, at least not that I know of, but I find that Comodo keeps 99% of stuff off my computers since the other security scans rarely find anything more than a tracking cookie. Occasionally, one of them will find a trojan or other nasty, usually in my TIF (Temporary Internet Files) folder which means that one of the websites I went to was infected or hacked and was being used to download what is known at drive-by malware. I just thought about two other free programs that I also use, SpywareBlaster from JavaCool Software, which uses NO resources and you just update the definitions on a weekly basis in click the "update protection" button and that will block a LOT of nasties from ever getting into a computer. The other freebie is SpyBot and if one uses it just for the Immunize feature, it will also block a LOT of nasties. Both of these will also add dangerous websites to your Hosts file which then protects you from even going to one of these known dangerous sites by accident. I just run my security scans when I'm watching TV or doing emailing. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40100	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

You could be right, Eric, but on the other hand, I've met some of those dinosaurs. We're having a discussion about social conditions in Texas on one of my other lists. If I told them you're defending Texas state agency IT people who force people to use IE from the charge of being a dinosaur, they'd howl. LOL! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Roberts" <woad@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. No...it's because there is more support for IE...it has nothing to do with bewing a dinosaur. In the 10 years that I have been a IT pro, I have yet to run across a company who's official browser was anything but IE. Some allowed thier employees to use other browsers, but most had strict regs that forced thier employees to use IE. From a development standpoint for internal applications, it makes more sense to develop for a single browser. Eric On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > At least two Texas state agency employment web sites - the job search and > application functions- will only work in Internet Explorer. > > This probably does not violate Lenny's statement. I assume some real > dinosaurs are doing IT at those agencies. However, i fone wants to look > for work, one has to ahve IE handy. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:18 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has > add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the > past, > compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows > Updates > though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their > Windows > Updates manually like I do. > > For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other > browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go > through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and > tweaks > that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed > folks > to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or > conflicts. > > Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer > than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the > person > in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox > is > NOT going to fix that problem. > > Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your > browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the > world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the > night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The > obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper > security > (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, > downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are > constantly a mess. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > HI Harry, > > I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old > favorite sites visited or created by IE? > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry > <harryfisherman@...<harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: harry perry <harryfisherman@... <harryfisherman%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM > > I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> > > Just Google it.. > > Harry > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 > <warrenprint@...<warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM > > Yours is easy to answer Dora, > > Don't try it! This is were all the problems come > > into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full > > system reload does. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and > > fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer > > 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong > > to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for > > your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not > > use any other links. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40101	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Ooops.. forgot to answer the gel food question. Gel food is a DIY fish food. There's quite a few recipes out on the net. Here's a few I have in my favorites folder. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/food_recipes.php http://www.sydneycichlid.com/cichlid-food-frozen.htm http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-fish-food/112.asp http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/recipes.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=18 Medicated Gel Food - http://thegab.org/Articles/MedicatedGelFood.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:07:18 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40102	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Cuttlebone----Len

The pH should rise as the calcium from the cuttlebone is dissolved into the water. I would not expect to see more than a couple of tenths rise, but it will also help to ensure some stability to the pH \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len Len, my old friend (I met time not age! no disrespect intended), every once in a while you will make comment or give advise on a given subject and it will lead down many roads.  This is one of those times.   Lets get specific here.  I buy the cuttlebone and put same, in filter.  Whats going to happen exactly?  We know at some point we should start to see a change in over-all hardness BUT about the pH?  Is the baking soda needed to raise or do we wait until we see the hardness come up and then add the soda to raise the pH where we want it.  Also, what about water changes?  Just use a bit of soda?  (baking not drinking).   From my understanding so far, the cuttlebone acts as the "buffer" to give the pH stability.    Now do I have some, all or none of this correct?  Let us establish a definite course of action for me to follow.  Before I drowned up here.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:54 PM Well, I start off with moderately hard, higher pH water so the cuttle bone dissolves very slowly for me.  I'm not sure how fast it would dissolve for you but the good thing about it, is that it will still only slowly change your water parameters and then when you do your weekly filter maintenance, as you see the amount of cuttle bone (or crushed coral) diminishing in amount, you just add a little more.  I mainly started doing this on my goldfish tank to maintain the KH between weekly maintenance since, even with only two fancy goldfish and a juvi clown pleco in the 65G tank, it's a BIG bioload on the tank.  Between the fish, plants, nitrifying bacteria, etc., there's LOTS of life forms that need carbonates in that tank.  I also add Cuttle Bone to my Cherry Shrimp tank since they need added calcium for their shells but since that tank is heavily planted, the carbonates also are good for the plants.  You'll have to rely on your testing to know if the water is getting too hard for you/your fish.  Adding a pinch of salt per 10G will also provide some sodium and chloride to the mix to help raise the GH (with the sodium) and the chloride helps with gill function.  You don't need a lot of salt for this.... just a pinch per 10G of regular table salt... regular or iodized. Of course, using Prime or other dechlor will add some sodium to the water too. I DO NOT use any kinds of fertilizers on my tanks other than God's fertilizer, PWC's and fish poop. LOL  I don't see Him adding any kinds of fertilizer tabs or dosing our lakes and rivers with bottled stuff... do you? ;-)  Of course, I am lucky to have nutrient/mineral rich water to start with though since our water comes from the Mississippi River so it's got 20+ States worth of stuff in the water by the time it gets down here to us. Just the right mix of storm and drain waste water with leaking automobile oil pans and transmission pans run-off, chemical plant run-off, farmland run-off, container ship bilge dumping, miscellaneous oil spills, etc.... oh yeah... and rain and melting snow... to make it just perfect mix!!! MMMMMMMM.. Yummy!    Actually, our water is ranked up there as one of the best tasting waters when they do the blind taste tests on city waters.  http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/11/us/a-sip-of-the-mississippi-wins-big-taste -test.html?sec=health&&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/C/Contests%20 and%20Prizes&pagewanted=all "...But as the last glassful was swirled and quaffed and New York City officials looked on glumly, the judges awarded first prize to New Orleans' Mississippi River water..." "...But, in a similar test, sponsored with different samples from the same cities last week by The Dallas Morning News, New Orleans also was the clear winner...." Yeah, I know that was back in 1984... lol.. but N'Awlins water has done well in taste testing since then also.  Now.. don't go running our water through a Mass Spectrometer as it will probably peg out all parameters... but it tastes good! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:57 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Cuttlebone----Len Lenny,   My biggest source of worry about all of this is the constant monitoring of the aquariums parameters.    What are the reaction times?  Do I need to anything, or add anything else?  I am remembering our talk long ago about using the baking soda.  And for a final comment?  Would I have to also adjust any new or from PWC per week or just let the cuttlebone do its stuff?   I do not want to turn this into a "Max Project" as I am a firm believer in the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) method.   more comments please,   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40103	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

I like my task bar and system tray and icons. I have mine set to hide inactive icons and I change the preferences on many programs that want to put an icon in the system tray but I actually have a few icons in my system tray that many others do not... like my network connections and wireless connection icons so I can see the blinking computers showing me my connection is sending back and forth. When I open Task Manager, I have it set to minimize into the system tray so I can see the little graph showing my CPU usage, etc, so I can see at a glance if something on my computer is hogging my resources. I have my Outlook mail icon to let me know new mail is in. I leave my speaker turned off 99% of the time so I don't hear the "ding"... or is it a "dong"?, when new email arrives. What does Windows 7 do differently with system tray icons??? Even with my Vista Home Premium laptop, I chose the classic Windows XP view instead of the Aero thing. I wish MS would come out with a plan for a free or low-cost upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. If they did, I'd be more tempted to take advantage of the RC version that was publicly released for free until June 2010. I'm still hoping they're going to do this for us Vista owners, even though I really haven't had any problems with Vista but I know many others complain about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Windows 7 is very cool, even in its RC stages. Its just like vista only better. They made changes with the task bar that are unusual, but it works pretty well, i like it, esp the way they handle the tray icons on the right by the clock. thats always been a mess in windows, now its a little easier. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to > download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on > my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the > rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. > > I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent > months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of > Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in > MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow > to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. > > On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both > FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many > problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the > gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... > but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for > Operating Systems and Browsers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Suzi > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it > downloaded IE8. > the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then > click on Run as Administrator. > If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dora Smith > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a > "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo > site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there > seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for your > computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other > links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after > it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a > problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. > Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before > you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40104	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Why do you use it? DM Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:01:21 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Ooops.. forgot to answer the gel food question. Gel food is a DIY fish food. There's quite a few recipes out on the net. Here's a few I have in my favorites folder. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/food_recipes.php http://www.sydneycichlid.com/cichlid-food-frozen.htm http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-fish-food/112.asp http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/recipes.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=18 Medicated Gel Food - http://thegab.org/Articles/MedicatedGelFood.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:07:18 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40105	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this.

No...i am just saying that may not be the reason. IE is an industry standard as far as corporations go. Logisitcally speaking it is easier to deal with IE. As a corporate customer, if there is an issue with the browesr, you can get support. You can't do that with FF or the other browsers. The only time I have ever seen a virus or other exploit effect IE in the corporate environment is when the idiot between the keyboard and chair did something really fraking stupid. Like when the I Love you Virus made it's rounds back in 2000. I got the the office (hi rise in downtown Chicago), the entrance had a warningposated about it. The guard desk had a warning. There was one posted above the buttons for the elevator. There was one on each wall of the elevator. There was on on the wall across from the elevator. There was on on all the doors that led to each office area. Yet, sadly enough it was someone in my departmaent (you would think we of all people should know better), not only opened the attachment once, but twice. I was in the office till 2 am that morning resoring image files on our live server (he had a mapping to the server). All I can say is that he is lucky the 25th floor of our building doesn't have openable windows on the outside walls. Very lucky. 99.9% of the time, when something bad like that happens, it is cause by a stupid user...not faulty software. Eric On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...> wrote: > > > You could be right, Eric, but on the other hand, I've met some of those > dinosaurs. > > We're having a discussion about social conditions in Texas on one of my > other lists. If I told them you're defending Texas state agency IT people > who force people to use IE from the charge of being a dinosaur, they'd > howl. > LOL! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Roberts" <woad@... <woad%40witchnet.org>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > No...it's because there is more support for IE...it has nothing to do with > bewing a dinosaur. In the 10 years that I have been a IT pro, I have yet to > run across a company who's official browser was anything but IE. Some > allowed thier employees to use other browsers, but most had strict regs > that > forced thier employees to use IE. From a development standpoint for > internal applications, it makes more sense to develop for a single browser. > > Eric > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@...<tiggernut24%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > At least two Texas state agency employment web sites - the job search and > > application functions- will only work in Internet Explorer. > > > > This probably does not violate Lenny's statement. I assume some real > > dinosaurs are doing IT at those agencies. However, i fone wants to look > > for work, one has to ahve IE handy. > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > Austin, TX > > tiggernut24@... <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> <tiggernut24%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:18 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > > > I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has > > add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the > > past, > > compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows > > Updates > > though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their > > Windows > > Updates manually like I do. > > > > For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other > > browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go > > through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and > > tweaks > > that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed > > folks > > to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or > > conflicts. > > > > Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer > > than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the > > person > > in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox > > is > > NOT going to fix that problem. > > > > Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your > > browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the > > world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of > the > > night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The > > obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper > > security > > (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, > > downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are > > constantly a mess. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com<http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>< > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > > > HI Harry, > > > > I have heard that too. I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old > > favorite sites visited or created by IE? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry > > <harryfisherman@... <harryfisherman%40yahoo.com><harryfisherman% > 40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: > > > > From: harry perry <harryfisherman@... <harryfisherman%40yahoo.com><harryfisherman% > 40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM > > > > I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> > > > > Just Google it.. > > > > Harry > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 > > <warrenprint@... <warrenprint%40yahoo.com><warrenprint%40yahoo.com > >> > > wrote: > > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@... <warrenprint%40yahoo.com><warrenprint% > 40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><AquaticLife% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM > > > > Yours is easy to answer Dora, > > > > Don't try it! This is were all the problems come > > > > into play. The reinstalling does not work. A full > > > > system reload does. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM > > > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > > > Yours, > > > > Dora Smith > > > > Austin, TX > > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > > > Folks, > > > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and > > > > fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer > > > > 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. > > > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong > > > > to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > > > I would advise any members to only download anything for > > > > your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not > > > > use any other links. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40106	From: babyhellcat69	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)

I honestly didnt know how large the plecos would get at the time I bought them. They were so SMALL and cute. Now my largest is around 9 inches the others around 7 inches. I am going to trade off all 3 like you suggested. I have been having problems the last week or so with my water being very green and murky. I believed that with 2 good size filters (cascade 300's) that it would help keep my tank clean. But that wasnt the case. I did a complete water change tonight. Even used boiling water on my rocks and filters, hopeing to kill off the algae. I have seen some albino bristle nose plecos that seem more manageable. I think I will give 1 or 2 of those a try. :-) May I ask what kind of plants your cherry shrimp have in their tank? I have not planted their tank yet but want to, I have some floating FrogBits and mini water lettuce. I am trying to figure out what plants do go in low light settings. I think it would be pretty if I could find a plant that covers the rocks like an aquarium grass. my shrimps are still juvies so at the moment I have them in one of those net boxes inside the tank until they get a little bigger. I was kind of afraid they wouldnt find enough food if they had to scavage the entire tank floor being as small as they were. ~shell --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Welcome to the group. The only thing that jumps out at me as a problem is > the 3 common plecos in the 55G. Even 1 common pleco in a 55G is a problem > since they grow to 18"+ and need a bare minimum of 75G each and a LONG > enough tank so they have a little room to swim when they decide they want > to. I know they don't swim around a lot but given the proper room, they do > like to cruise around a tank. They will also become a serious bioload issue > on the 55G tank as they grow. How did you end up with three? One common > pleco would be plenty enough to handle the algae issues of a 55G tank and > then once it reaches 6" or so, you could trade him/her in for a new juvi > pleco. Many LFS (local fish stores) will set this up for folks as it's a > win-win deal. The fish keeper gets a good algae eater and then is able to > trade them in and the pet store is able to sell the larger fish for more > money while the fish keeper gets a new smaller pleco to handle the algae. A > better option would be to get a dwarf pleco in the first place. There are > several good algae eating dwarf plecos that are much more available > nowadays, with the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nosed Pleco being two of the most > common dwarfs that I have seen in my area. > > Guppies can also cause a problem in a 10G tank if allowed to breed to much. > Keep it around six or so guppies and you'll be OK. It's best to go with all > males so you have the prettiest fish and none of the over-breeding issues > since a 10G tank can't handle the bioload created by a lot of baby guppies. > > BTW.. I also have a planted 10G tank with Cherry Shrimp, for a couple of > years now, and regularly deliver 25 or so to my LFS for store credit at 50 > cents each. Remember to keep as many of the babies as possible and sell off > the larger ones. Many folks think it's better to sell the babies but the > babies will be the ones to grow up and create more shrimp for you... and > it's less of a burden on the bioload of the tank by having 10 babies instead > of one adult. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of babyhellcat69 > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie here (Florida) > > Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I > currently have 3 tanks. > > 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. > > a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks before > they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited about that. > And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo

IE 8 has not yet been released via WSUS yet. It is a program in use by many corporations to control what updates get installed when over a local network. There appear to be problems with the install routine in some situations, which turns the computer into a good doorstop until the situation is fixed, so, if you are going to install IE8, be sure to have a good backup before you do. Dora, with my Firefox, I am sure I can access the Texas sites you mention. The only problem is that I must forgo the normal protections I have with Firefox add-ons, mainly NoScript. If you are using Firefox, you should be using NoScript. Oh yeah, I can also do Microsoft updates using Firefox, though I have no need to. (see above about WSUS--I have my own WSUS install here at home.) When you first install Firefox, you have the option to import IE "Favorites" into the Firefox bookmarks. (Whoever changed the name from bookmarks to favorites in IE should be taken out and shot, alongside the decision makers who decided to call directories folders.) With any browser, be judicious with your use of add-ons and toolbars. If you must add a toolbar, stick with something like the Google toolbar. The Yahoo toolbar has been known to cause performance and other problems in the past, so if you install that one, and experience strange problems, uninstall it and see if things come back to normal. I think I've covered most everything I saw in this tread, but I have gotten sucked into a movie whilst writing this so I may have forgotten something. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:42 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40108	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Because it's better and healthier than many of the commercially available foods.. and a LOT less expensive than the better commercially available foods. If you look at the price per ounce for some of the better commercially available foods, their food costs more per pound than some premium filet mignon steaks. LOL I made my first batch starting off with some flake food that I was going to quit feeding my fish so I used it as a base and then added the veggies, fish, shrimp, etc. and blended it all up to make the gel food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Why do you use it? DM Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:01:21 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Ooops.. forgot to answer the gel food question. Gel food is a DIY fish food. There's quite a few recipes out on the net. Here's a few I have in my favorites folder. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/food_recipes.php http://www.sydneycichlid.com/cichlid-food-frozen.htm http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-fish-food/112.asp http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/recipes.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=18 Medicated Gel Food - http://thegab.org/Articles/MedicatedGelFood.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:07:18 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40109	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)

First the good news. One BN or Clown Pleco should be enough for a 55G tank as long as you do proper tank maintenance to keep the algae down to a minimum in the first place. Check around at some LFS to trade in the three common plecos. I got $25.00 store credit for my 10" common that I traded in back in 2007 when he was outgrowing my 65G tank. I had plans for a BIGGER tank but Hurricane Katrina changed all them plans. The LFS sold him the next day for nearly $50.00 to someone that had a HUGE tank with big cichlids in it so that fish keeper needed a BIG pleco so it wouldn't become fish food to his cichlids. Check out the care sheets and profiles on BN and Clown plecos at http://www.PlanetCatfish.com and http://fish.mongabay.com so you will know the needs of each fish. Now the bad news. Argggghhh.. I wish you would have asked us first. It's almost NEVER a good idea to do a "complete water change". That will often times change the water parameters too much, too fast and possibly cause pH or other osmotic shock issues... possibly even temperature shock. I hope your fish are OK in the morning. The only time a complete water change is advised is if there was some kind of contamination that would definitely kill your fish. Other than that, it's best to do smaller 10% to 25% PWC's (partial water changes) and then do one every couple of hours until you've done 4-5 of them which will mean you've replace around 100% of the water but you did it in a manner that gave the fish a chance to acclimate to the changing water parameters. They actually slowly acclimate to the "bad" water so they have to be slowly acclimated back to good water to avoid shock issues. And another bigger ARGGGGHHH about boiling your filters, etc. Do you have a Master Test Kit for testing ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, etc.? By over cleaning your filters, if you did both filter systems, you will have put your tank into a new "cycle", meaning you will have to re-establish your nitrifying bacteria colonies in your filter systems. There is a product called Dr. Tim's One And Only that does contain the proper kind of live nitrifying bacteria that you could use. Avoid the other so-called bacteria-in-a-bottle products found on the shelves at most pet/fish stores.... they simply do not have the correct kinds of live bacteria in them. Go to my blog and read my article, "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you will have a better idea how to properly clean your filters in the future. Start testing your water for ammonia and nitrites and be prepared to do PWC's as needed to keep the ammonia and nitrites at non-toxic levels. Adding a pinch of salt per 10G will help to prevent nitrite poisoning. Using SeaChem Prime as your dechlor will help to make the ammonia non or less toxic. Dr. Tim's One And Only would be the best thing since it would help to instantly cycle the tank for a certain bioload and then you wouldn't have to buy the Prime or do as many PWC's to keep the water parameters safe. While at my blog, I also have an article, "Planted Tank - So you want a planted tank!" which includes several links to lists of easy to grow, low light plants that you asked about. Please do not hesitate to ask first before doing some things, especially if you aren't completely familiar with what might happen when you do these things. We're here to help. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of babyhellcat69 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie here (Florida) I honestly didnt know how large the plecos would get at the time I bought them. They were so SMALL and cute. Now my largest is around 9 inches the others around 7 inches. I am going to trade off all 3 like you suggested. I have been having problems the last week or so with my water being very green and murky. I believed that with 2 good size filters (cascade 300's) that it would help keep my tank clean. But that wasnt the case. I did a complete water change tonight. Even used boiling water on my rocks and filters, hopeing to kill off the algae. I have seen some albino bristle nose plecos that seem more manageable. I think I will give 1 or 2 of those a try. :-) May I ask what kind of plants your cherry shrimp have in their tank? I have not planted their tank yet but want to, I have some floating FrogBits and mini water lettuce. I am trying to figure out what plants do go in low light settings. I think it would be pretty if I could find a plant that covers the rocks like an aquarium grass. my shrimps are still juvies so at the moment I have them in one of those net boxes inside the tank until they get a little bigger. I was kind of afraid they wouldnt find enough food if they had to scavage the entire tank floor being as small as they were. ~shell --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > Welcome to the group. The only thing that jumps out at me as a > problem is the 3 common plecos in the 55G. Even 1 common pleco in a > 55G is a problem since they grow to 18"+ and need a bare minimum of > 75G each and a LONG enough tank so they have a little room to swim > when they decide they want to. I know they don't swim around a lot > but given the proper room, they do like to cruise around a tank. They > will also become a serious bioload issue on the 55G tank as they grow. > How did you end up with three? One common pleco would be plenty > enough to handle the algae issues of a 55G tank and then once it > reaches 6" or so, you could trade him/her in for a new juvi pleco. > Many LFS (local fish stores) will set this up for folks as it's a > win-win deal. The fish keeper gets a good algae eater and then is > able to trade them in and the pet store is able to sell the larger > fish for more money while the fish keeper gets a new smaller pleco to > handle the algae. A better option would be to get a dwarf pleco in > the first place. There are several good algae eating dwarf plecos > that are much more available nowadays, with the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nosed Pleco being two of the most common dwarfs that I have seen in my area. > > Guppies can also cause a problem in a 10G tank if allowed to breed to much. > Keep it around six or so guppies and you'll be OK. It's best to go > with all males so you have the prettiest fish and none of the > over-breeding issues since a 10G tank can't handle the bioload created by a lot of baby guppies. > > BTW.. I also have a planted 10G tank with Cherry Shrimp, for a couple > of years now, and regularly deliver 25 or so to my LFS for store > credit at 50 cents each. Remember to keep as many of the babies as > possible and sell off the larger ones. Many folks think it's better > to sell the babies but the babies will be the ones to grow up and > create more shrimp for you... and it's less of a burden on the bioload > of the tank by having 10 babies instead of one adult. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of babyhellcat69 > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie here (Florida) > > Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I > currently have 3 tanks. > > 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. > > a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks > before they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited about that. > And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40110	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer vs. FF vs. Whatever

It's easy to switch to other browsers whenever you want. In another group a computer pro has IE., FF, Opera, Sea Monkey all loaded into his computer. He uses whatever browser he feels is best for what he is doing at the time. This is too much for me. I use FF but IE is available whenever I want. Simply choose which one you want as your current browser. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM I like my task bar and system tray and icons. I have mine set to hide inactive icons and I change the preferences on many programs that want to put an icon in the system tray but I actually have a few icons in my system tray that many others do not... like my network connections and wireless connection icons so I can see the blinking computers showing me my connection is sending back and forth. When I open Task Manager, I have it set to minimize into the system tray so I can see the little graph showing my CPU usage, etc, so I can see at a glance if something on my computer is hogging my resources. I have my Outlook mail icon to let me know new mail is in. I leave my speaker turned off 99% of the time so I don't hear the "ding"... or is it a "dong"?, when new email arrives. What does Windows 7 do differently with system tray icons??? Even with my Vista Home Premium laptop, I chose the classic Windows XP view instead of the Aero thing. I wish MS would come out with a plan for a free or low-cost upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. If they did, I'd be more tempted to take advantage of the RC version that was publicly released for free until June 2010. I'm still hoping they're going to do this for us Vista owners, even though I really haven't had any problems with Vista but I know many others complain about it. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of David Keymel Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:39 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Windows 7 is very cool, even in its RC stages. Its just like vista only better. They made changes with the task bar that are unusual, but it works pretty well, i like it, esp the way they handle the tray icons on the right by the clock. thats always been a mess in windows, now its a little easier. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to > download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on > my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the > rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. > > I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent > months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of > Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in > MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow > to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. > > On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both > FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many > problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the > gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... > but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for > Operating Systems and Browsers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of Suzi > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it > downloaded IE8. > the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then > click on Run as Administrator. > If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dora Smith > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Folks, > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a > "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo > site. > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there > seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > I would advise any members to only download anything for your > computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other > links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after > it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a > problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. > Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before > you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. > > Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40111	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Go through and answer the questions on the questionnaire below my sig. Just type your answer or "not known" behind each question below. I suspect something other than constipation since she is eating. Have you seen her poop? What does the poop look like? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite: Nitrate: pH: GH: KH: Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml Temperature: Tank size: Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life): Water change amount and when the last one was done: Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do: How long the tank has been set up: Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used: Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.some common examples are: Fish behavior- separating from school hiding breathing rapidly hanging at surface sitting on bottom having difficulty swimming scraping body on ornaments/plants/gravel Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin fins fraying chunks missing from fins open sores bent spine Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water greenish cloudy water excessive algae (specify color) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I think she is constipated..she has been on the bottom of the tank and moves only to eat.....I just gave her some Peas....I tested the water all is fine.....she has never done this..

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40112	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill again

I once Googled a question. "What does the richest man in the world do for excitement"?. I expected something like "anything he wants". Instead all I got was "play with computers". A hard core computer geek. His financial statement puts a new spin on "revenge of the nerds". Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:05 PM LOL.. I hope he reads AquaticLife and thinks of me in his will... or the next time he's feeling gifty! Throw a million or two down this way Uncle Bill! ;-) On a side note, I did see my first complaint, in another computer related Yahoo Group, complaining about IE8 but she also mentioned that "none of my toolbars are showing up, they are all black" and I suspect this is a PICNIC problem. I'm betting that the install instructions probably say to uninstall any toolbars first, especially some of the spyware toolbars that so many folks have on their computers. The only toolbar I've ever run on IE is RoboForm as my password manager and forms filler but I even plan on uninstalling it and most other non-standard add-ons from IE7 before I upgrade to IE8. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:13 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Bill thanks you all I'm sure Bill Gates appreciates your support. He's back in the number one spot as the richest man in the world after suffering through no. 2 for 2008. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 2:13 PM Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like browsers, etc. On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the past several years... but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for Operating Systems and Browsers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Suzi Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it downloaded IE8. the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then click on Run as Administrator. If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. ----- Have a great day! Suzi http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Smith To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40113	From: Debra	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Thanks for the links and the info. I have been reading fish food labels for a while now and have run across some flake foods the fish will not eat. Up until now I have been mixing all the partial cans together and then supplementing with frozen daphnia and blood worms. After reading the post on aquaticlife I may try my hand at his recipe. Might as well since I'm already making dog food on the weekends while I'm cleaning aquariums. Thanks again, Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:51:43 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Because it's better and healthier than many of the commercially available foods.. and a LOT less expensive than the better commercially available foods. If you look at the price per ounce for some of the better commercially available foods, their food costs more per pound than some premium filet mignon steaks. LOL I made my first batch starting off with some flake food that I was going to quit feeding my fish so I used it as a base and then added the veggies, fish, shrimp, etc. and blended it all up to make the gel food. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Why do you use it? DM Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:01:21 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Ooops.. forgot to answer the gel food question. Gel food is a DIY fish food. There's quite a few recipes out on the net. Here's a few I have in my favorites folder. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/food_recipes.php http://www.sydneycichlid.com/cichlid-food-frozen.htm http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-fish-food/112.asp http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/recipes.html http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=18 Medicated Gel Food - http://thegab.org/Articles/MedicatedGelFood.html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Lenny: Two questions. What is the gel food for? What does the "PICNIC" acronym referenced in the IE posts stand for? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:07:18 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Check the ingredients on your fish foods. I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals and flours than the Omega One foods. Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and floaty issues already. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40114	From: harry perry	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this./Lenny

I agree with Eric. The biggest problem with computers is the connection between the computer and the chair. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:18 PM I think 90%+ of sites are compliant with most browsers and I think FF has add-ons to handle many of the things that it had problems with in the past, compared to IE. I'm not sure if they ever did an add-on for Windows Updates though... that might still have to be done with IE if one does their Windows Updates manually like I do. For folks that are reasonably computer literate, Firefox or most other browsers are fine, but like any new software installation, you need to go through and tweak it to your liking and FF has a lot more add-ons and tweaks that are available. These are what cause so many of the less informed folks to have problems, as each add-on brings its own new potential issues or conflicts. Further, I've seen the comment "you should get Firefox, it's a lot safer than IE" thrown around but if the problem is a PICNIC problem and the person in the chair is downloading all kinds of crap to their computer, Firefox is NOT going to fix that problem. Practicing safe surfing is the best thing. I tell folks to consider your browser like you are driving your car. Would you go roaming around the world into neighborhoods that you have no idea about, in the middle of the night, with your windows down and waving hundred dollar bills around? The obvious answer is NO! but folks have their computer without proper security (firewall, antimalware) and go zipping around the world to sites unknown, downloading who knows what and then wonder why their computers are constantly a mess. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:32 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. HI Harry,   I have heard that too.  I keep wonderig though, does it easily handle old favorite sites visited or created by IE?   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, harry perry <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: harry perry <harryfisherman@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo/Try this. To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:29 PM I've been using Fire Fox for years. I think it is much better than IE> Just Google it.. Harry --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:46 PM                                         Yours is easy to answer Dora, Don't try it!  This is were all the problems come into play.  The reinstalling does not work.  A full system reload does.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:52 AM Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo Folks, Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo site. I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. I would advise any members to only download anything for your computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other links.  Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after it is installed onto a system.  You cannot get rid of it if there is a problem.  The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not.  Full system reloads are usually necessary.  So be advised and before you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping... Bill ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40115	From: Eric Roberts	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer vs. FF vs. Whatever

most of us IT pros do that...esp us web developers. the only thing I wish I could do is have multiple version if IE installed so I can test that. As it stands I need to use 3 differnt computers to test 6,7,and 8. Ther is a hacked standa alone version of 6 and 7, great idea, but I didn';t care for it too much. It was slow and buggy. I do wish MS would help out the dev community by putting something like that out. I remebre years ago they did have a version where you could switch between a couple of different versions, unfortunately that was long lived. It was probably a real pain to develop and support. Eric On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:21 PM, harry perry <harryfisherman@...>wrote: > > > It's easy to switch to other browsers whenever you want. > > In another group a computer pro has IE., FF, Opera, Sea Monkey all loaded > into his computer. He uses whatever browser he feels is best for what he is > doing at the time. > > This is too much for me. > > I use FF but IE is available whenever I want. Simply choose which one you > want as your current browser. > > Harry > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...<GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... <GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM > > I like my task bar and system tray and icons. I have mine set to hide > > inactive icons and I change the preferences on many programs that want to > > put an icon in the system tray but I actually have a few icons in my system > > tray that many others do not... like my network connections and wireless > > connection icons so I can see the blinking computers showing me my > > connection is sending back and forth. When I open Task Manager, I have it > > set to minimize into the system tray so I can see the little graph showing > > my CPU usage, etc, so I can see at a glance if something on my computer is > > hogging my resources. I have my Outlook mail icon to let me know new mail > > is in. I leave my speaker turned off 99% of the time so I don't hear the > > "ding"... or is it a "dong"?, when new email arrives. What does Windows 7 > > do differently with system tray icons??? > > Even with my Vista Home Premium laptop, I chose the classic Windows XP view > > instead of the Aero thing. > > I wish MS would come out with a plan for a free or low-cost upgrade from > > Vista to Windows 7. If they did, I'd be more tempted to take advantage of > > the RC version that was publicly released for free until June 2010. I'm > > still hoping they're going to do this for us Vista owners, even though I > > really haven't had any problems with Vista but I know many others complain > > about it. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of David Keymel > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:39 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > Windows 7 is very cool, even in its RC stages. Its just like vista only > > better. They made changes with the task bar that are unusual, but it works > > pretty well, i like it, esp the way they handle the tray icons on the right > > by the clock. thats always been a mess in windows, now its a little easier. > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Y'all let me know how IE8 is doing so I'll know it's safe for me to > > > download and install. LOL I marked it as "Hide this update" for now on > > > my XP machines and will continue with IE7 for another month to let the > > > rest of the guinea pigs make sure that IE8 was ready for the big push. > > > > > > I personally think MS has been doing a MUCH BETTER job in recent > > > months/years and it seems that they LEARNED A LOT from their push of > > > Vista so hopefully IE8 and Windows 7 will restore folks confidence in > > > MS. I still have a LOT of confidence in MS but I've always been slow > > > to upgrade to new Operating Systems or major BIG updates to things like > > browsers, etc. > > > > > > On a side note, I've been seeing LOTS of bad things happening to both > > > FireFox 3 and Google's Chrome browser so if IE8 doesn't have many > > > problems with the public release, it could put MS back into the > > > gaining of market share where they've been losing a little each year the > > past several years... > > > but they are still by far, the HUGE leader in market share for > > > Operating Systems and Browsers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://goldlenny./> blogspot. com (Links > to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > > > On Behalf Of Suzi > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > > > > > I just got a major update this morning for Vista, my office and it > > > downloaded IE8. > > > the problem with it.. you will need to right click on mouse and then > > > click on Run as Administrator. > > > If you don't do that.. you go nowhere. > > > > > > ----- > > > Have a great day! > > > > > > Suzi > > > http://www.photowor ks.com/members/ Suzi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dora Smith > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > > > > > Can't you just uninstall IE 8 and install IE 7? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > Austin, TX > > > tiggernut24@ yahoo.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> > > > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:41 AM > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Internet Explorer 8.0 via Yahoo > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Many on the group, while sending mails back and fourth may notice a > > > "balloon" about Internet Explorer 8.0 to down load from the Yahoo > > > site. > > > > > > I have noticed from other computer groups that I belong to that there > > > seems to be quite a bite of problem with it. > > > > > > I would advise any members to only download anything for your > > > computers directly from the Microsoft web site and not use any other > > > links. Also it should be noted that there is a problem with IE 8 after > > > it is installed onto a system. You cannot get rid of it if there is a > > > problem. The system should default back to IE 7.0 but it does not. > > > Full system reloads are usually necessary. So be advised and before > > > you install anything, back up all of your files for safe keeping. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40116	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Newbie here (Florida)

Welcome to the group. Gilbert in Hawai'i [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40117	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...

Crypts should do good in a low to medium light tank. My C. Wendii has taken off in a 26 g that I keep in my old sears storage shed. The hornwort is also doing great in there. I have to "weed" them out every month to maintain a swim space for my fish that I keep in there. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40118	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: I want to convert to a planted tank...

I have an UG with a powerhead plus a hot magnum and a 350 magnum that filters the 26 g and so far so good I've been maintaining great water quality and plan to move the 350 to my 65g tank once I set that one up and use a hang on aquaclear 110 to replace it on my 26 g. The 26 has been going on for about 8 years now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40119	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht) ml Temperature:77.8 Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scrapi not that I can tell Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40120	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Actually a cory should be pretty unhappy in an African cichlid tank, between the aggression of the cichlids and the high pH. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Hopefully you have more than 1 peppered cory as they are only happy in a group of at least 3 cory's minimum. They are a shoaling fish that likes to huddle together or sometimes swim together in groups. My cory's like to swim laps around the tank together, they take turns pairing or grouping up. Also if you have been feeding fish one type of food and never another type they will often find it hard to distinguish this new food as food. Sometimes it will take a few tries before they notice it, other fish are picky and won't eat some foods at all for whatever reason is in their little head ;). If you are dropping in pellets that sink and they aren't swimming after them as they drop, they might not be interested in them at all, or they might not find them until later if they didn't notice the sinking movement. Most fish will be attracted with movement in the tank and will try to eat anything small that moves. Are you trying sinking or floating pellets? Amber Suzi wrote: > > > I haven't seen Micro wafers. > I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. > I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the > cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. > > I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start > eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they > get hungry enough they will start to eat them? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi > <http://www.photowor <http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi> ks.com/members/Suzi> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Check the ingredients on your fish foods. > > I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the > foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between > some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... > not too > natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good > natural fish > food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. > > The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The > Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae > Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers > also > have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of > meals > and flours than the Omega One foods. > > Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very > little > natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I > bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the > ingredients > and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five > ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat > Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be > considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied > feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of > it so > I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The > other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for > fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and > floaty issues already. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > No, > > No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from > Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from > time to time. > > Bill > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM > > Bill, > > I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your > fish" > as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they > would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. > > I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one > does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled > products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone > who is > very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and > even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called > bottled solutions. > > The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as > well. > > You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not > want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at > something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and > minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could > start > with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so > low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the > trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do > their > thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. > Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals > added and > maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just > succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their > foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies > like peas, zucchini, etc.? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Hi Gail, > > The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your > aquarium. > > It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, > your pH. > > If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your > aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and > constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily > basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one > more. > > Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to > continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water > parameters. > Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. > > I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an > absolute last resort. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: gail <clandestine662002@ <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > <mailto:clandestine662002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM > > I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I > am not > familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) > > thanks, > Gail > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com <mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM > > Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and > whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, > no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. > > All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? > Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald > greens, > one after the other. > And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have > 3 left > out of 8 in the 20 long. > > Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the > 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also > installed > the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being > installed. > Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is > disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. > > To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior > members > of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH > conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, > preferring > slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. > > At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" > days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, > prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a > Aqua > Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, > this > is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room > so the > crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of > course, for > control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would > dissolve and buffer at the same rate. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40121	From: Noura Taweel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

Hi again, About searching for a suitable cory for my 6 G guppy fry tank.. I searched all my LFS s, and all I found are Peppered Corys and Corydoras aeneus. The Peppered ones grow up to 3.5 inches (GH 2-28)(Temp 21-27C)Very hardy fish. They are buttom dewllers. The Aeneus one is also a buttom dewller, which is what I need. (Grows to 3")Also hardy and the internet site says it's very easy to keep. Other than the size thing, I find them both suitalbe, The size matter can be fixed by moving them to the 20G (Not so crowded now as before) when they grow too big for the 6 G. For now I'm keeping up with frequent PWC s in the 6G. I'm planning to buy only 3 corys. Here are my current water results in the 6G: Nitrite 0, Nitrate 10-25, GH about 13, KH 10, pH 7.6 I'm planning to buy only 3, can't have more than that. Which one do you think I should get? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@...> wrote: > > Thanks for all the useful infos guys. > Lenny you made my search much easier. I got a good idea about corys now. I'll make a tour around my LFS s and see what's available now and choose one based on the infos I collected. > > Noura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40122	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

Is that one of the cuttlebones you buy in the bird section? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Doesn't the filter on the 20G have a water reservoir area behind the filter cartridge? I just drop Cuttle Bone (made up of Calcium Carbonate) pieces into the reservoirs of my HOB's and let them slowly dissolve. Of course, with my higher pH, they take a long time to dissolve. They might dissolve faster with your more acidic water parameters. ALL living things need Carbonates. Heck, I wonder if your low KH might even be causing you nitrogen cycle issues since even the nitrifying bacteria need a certain KH level. I know that when Fishless Cycling a tank, if the KH drops too much, the Cycle will stall. Have your fish deaths started since the PolyFilter stuff being added? I thought we dissuaded you from using that since it also purports to remove ammonia, etc., so it could be potentially cause you nitrogen cycle issues if the above mention about KH isn't possibly causing them. You mentioned your ammonia test results. What about nitrite and nitrate? While I know you've tried to stay away from the Water Chemistry issue, if I had your water, I would have to at least do something to buffer it up a little... with at least bringing the KH level up to a level where it would sustain your pH without the chance of a potential pH crash. With such a low pH and KH level, I wonder if you aren't getting pH crashes? Have you been testing it regularly? This LONG article on this very reputable website discusses pH, GH and KH issues. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.html While it's nice if one never has to adjust their water, BUT if the water isn't capable of sustaining life, meaning it doesn't have any life sustaining minerals or elements in it, then some adjustment may be necessary. Wait for \\Steve//, Ray and others to chime in with more info about your VERY LOW GH and ZERO level of KH... or you could go back to your original joining of the group and our lengthy discussion about your water. Of course, back then, you thought your water was a lot different than it actually turned out to be since you didn't have a test kit when you first joined the group so we were going on a lot of speculation. Now that you have your test kit, maybe others will feel like I do and that some adjustment may be necessary. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:31 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, one after the other. And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left out of 8 in the 20 long. Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being installed. Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would dissolve and buffer at the same rate. Bill ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40123	From: Kelly	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Have you done a water change recently? I have a comet that often sits on the bottom – and then a few days later perks up – he is very old – and might be a sign of old age Kelly xxxxxx From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: 06 May 2009 00:57 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I think she is constipated..she has been on the bottom of the tank and moves only to eat.....I just gave her some Peas....I tested the water all is fine.....she has never done this.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40124	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

we did this yesterday In a message dated 5/6/2009 9:48:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atomicblonde@... writes: Have you done a water change recently? I have a comet that often sits on the bottom – and then a few days later perks up – he is very old – and might be a sign of old age Kelly xxxxxx From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: 06 May 2009 00:57 To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I think she is constipated.I think she is constipated.<WBR>.she has been on only to eat.....I just gave her some Peas....I tested the water all is fine.....she has never done this.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40125	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Losing Cory's

As for starting your Cichlids on pellet food, no it's not a case of if they get hungry enough they will eat it! Often enough, many new foods that look appealing or appetizing enough (such as frozen bloodworms, for example) will be sampled by the fish and found to be to their liking, even if not every time. On weaning fish from one prepared food to another, however, you should always start off by feeding a small amount of the new food in with their regular food until they get used to it, then decrease the old food while you increase the new. This makes the transition and introduction to the new food much easier -- as, although WE may know the pellets are fish food, that does not necessarily mean the fish know this. Fish may very well not recognize a new food as food! Without having the benefit/opportunity to be introduced to it as food, they may even starve themselves rather than try it, as they usually don't associate this new form as being food as it's foreign to them. If they're on flake food now, start with mixing in the small size pellets. As the fish grow, you may transition them to medium size pellets in the same way. When they reach this stage, again the old (small) pellets will still need to be fed with a small amount of the new (medium) pellets until they learn that this new size is food. Just because the medium pellets are also spherical shape (3-dimensionally round) doesn't mean that they automatically recognize it as food -- they usually won't -- they'll need another "introduction" period. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Suzi" <suziknits2@...> wrote: > > I haven't seen Micro wafers. > I have a pepper cory in my african cichlid tank. > I have algae wafers that he likes.. but so do the > cichlids so I don't know how of them he is getting. > > I have a question about food. I want my cichlids to start > eating pellets. How do I go about doing that. Is it if they > get hungry enough they will start to eat them? > > ----- > Have a great day! > > Suzi > http://www.photoworks.com/members/Suzi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > > Check the ingredients on your fish foods. > > I've made many posts, over the years, comparing ingredients of some of the > foods I use or have used over the years. There's a HUGE difference between > some of them. Some are made up mostly of wheat flour and glutens... not too > natural of fish food... where others are made up mostly of good natural fish > food stuff like fish, shrimp, spirulina algae, fresh kelp, etc. > > The Omega One Goldfish Pellets also have added vitamins and minerals. The > Omega One brand has much better ingredients compared to the Hikari Algae > Wafers that I also feed to my fish... although the Hikari Algae Wafers also > have added vitamins and minerals but start off with a higher level of meals > and flours than the Omega One foods. > > Some of the cheaper foods have some really BAD ingredients with very little > natural fish food products in them. Even the Hagen Nutrafin Max that I > bought a while back disappointed me when I started comparing the ingredients > and Hagen Nutrafin was thought to be a good brand of food. The first five > ingredients for it is Fish Meal, Corn Flour, Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Oat > Meal.... so out of the first five ingredients, only the Fish Meal might be > considered "natural" fish food. I still use this as part of my varied > feeding regiment but I have about 1/2 a can of a 1.75 liter package of it so > I plan on adding it to my next batch of gel food as the base for it. The > other problem with all them Flour's is that it tends to NOT be good for > fancy goldfish which are prone to swim bladder and digestive tract and > floaty issues already. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > > > No, > > No veggies of any kind. They get Aquarian Flake and Micro Wafers from > Hiatie (can't spell that, forgot name) and some frozen brine shrimp from > time to time. > > Bill > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:12 PM > > > Bill, > > I don't think you should say "You would most likely lose some of your fish" > as many folks have to adjust their water without losing fish whereas they > would lose fish if they didn't adjust their water. > > I do agree that it shouldn't be done if not needed and especially if one > does not know what they are doing. As far as I know, NONE of the bottled > products for pH adjusting should be used unless being used by someone who is > very familiar with their water chemistry, fish, tank's ecology, etc... and > even then, there are "natural" ways of doing it instead of using so-called > bottled solutions. > > The "natural" ways are usually much better and much less expensive as well. > > You know something Bill... something I'm thinking about... if you do not > want to fool with your pH, GH and KH much, you could at least look at > something like Kent's RO Right which adds back the trace elements and > minerals to water that has been filtered through a RO unit. You could start > with a fractional dose. I'm just thinking this since if your water is so > low on GH and zero on KH. Maybe the Kent's RO Right will at least add the > trace elements until the crushed coral and/or cuttle bone starts to do their > thing. Maybe this will stop some of your fish loss. Also check your foods. > Maybe the foods that you feed the other fish has vitamins/minerals added and > maybe the food that the Cory's are getting does not so maybe they are just > succumbing to vitamin/mineral deficiency that could be added with their > foods instead of fooling with your water. Do you ever feed them veggies > like peas, zucchini, etc.? > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:45 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > > Hi Gail, > > The addition of Crushed Coral will start a chemical reaction in your > aquarium. > > It will give rise to GH and KH hardness and also increase to some extent, > your pH. > > If you are not having any water problems now, do not attempt this in your > aquarium. This method involves a lot of work in the manner of testing and > constantly monitoring your aquarium waters condition almost on a daily > basis. That alone is reason enough to stay away from it but there is one > more. > > Once you start "playing in the water" as I call it. You will be forced to > continue in this manner or gradually go back to your current water > parameters. > Either way, you will most likely lose some of your fish doing this. > > I strongly advise you to stay away from it. It should only be done as an > absolute last resort. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, gail <clandestine662002@...> wrote: > > > From: gail <clandestine662002@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:06 AM > > > > I am just curious what effect do you get from adding crushed coral? I am not > familiar with this technique (I'm kind of a newbie) > > thanks, > Gail > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Losing Cory's > To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > Its been a while since I posted anything on my current tank conditions and > whats happening with them. My water parameters are the same pH 5.5 to 5.8, > no ammonia, GH at 1, KH does not even register. > > All Neon Tetras are fine. Rams, fine. Corys? > Not good. I am losing a fish every few days. I lost 3 large emerald greens, > one after the other. > And after a period of about 21 days started to lose my Pandas. I have 3 left > out of 8 in the 20 long. > > Since last Sunday, I started using Prime with the initial dose to both the > 20 long and 29 and then as necessary per water change. I have also installed > the Poly Filter in the 29 and it has not changed color at all since being > installed. > Since only Cory's are involved here I must assume that what is going on is > disturbing the armored cat fish. All other fish are just fine. > > To the "all fish are just fine" remark. It should be noted by senior members > of the group, that both types of fish are most conducive to lower pH > conditions. The corys, green and panda are boarder line at best, preferring > slightly higher conditions usually at 6.0 to 6.5. > > At this point I am thinking strongly of returning to my "Water Chemistry" > days and throwing in a few fist fulls of crushed coral. Unfortunately, > prudence tells me that I could only do this in one tank, the 29 with a Aqua > Clear filter, by using a nylon bag in the filter box. For the 20 long, this > is not possible because of the filters construction, there is no room so the > crushed coral would have to be added directly into the tank. Of course, for > control, I could place it in a nylon bag too but I do not know if it would > dissolve and buffer at the same rate. > > Bill > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40126	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Small tank question

I don't think I would put any Cory's into such a small tank myself, they're not going to be that happy in it, they like to explore my 55 gallon, I couldn't imagine putting them in a 6 gallon tank. I've found that the aeneus cory's are hardier than the peppered cory's, all of my peppered cory's died last week when I wasn't thinking right and did a bunch of PWC's in one evening to get rid of green water. Is it possible to get a 10 gallon tank for the guppy fry and cory's? Or just something bigger? ;) Amber Noura Taweel wrote: > > > Hi again, > About searching for a suitable cory for my 6 G guppy fry tank.. I > searched all my LFS s, and all I found are Peppered Corys and > Corydoras aeneus. > > The Peppered ones grow up to 3.5 inches (GH 2-28)(Temp 21-27C)Very > hardy fish. They are buttom dewllers. > The Aeneus one is also a buttom dewller, which is what I need. (Grows > to 3")Also hardy and the internet site says it's very easy to keep. > > Other than the size thing, I find them both suitalbe, The size matter > can be fixed by moving them to the 20G (Not so crowded now as before) > when they grow too big for the 6 G. For now I'm keeping up with > frequent PWC s in the 6G. I'm planning to buy only 3 corys. > > > Here are my current water results in the 6G: > Nitrite 0, Nitrate 10-25, GH about 13, KH 10, pH 7.6 > > I'm planning to buy only 3, can't have more than that. > Which one do you think I should get? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Noura Taweel" <n-taweel@...> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the useful infos guys. > > Lenny you made my search much easier. I got a good idea about corys > now. I'll make a tour around my LFS s and see what's available now and > choose one based on the infos I collected. > > > > Noura > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40127	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)

Shell, While I'm hoping what I'm about to say will help you in the future, please know that it is not directly soley at you. I realize that when shopping around at your local fish store, it's often like being the proverbial "kid in a candy store," with so much of an enticing selection of fish to choose from as a new addition to your tank. But, unless you're fairly familiar with the fish, one would be best advised to first do their "homework" and check up on a new fish intended as an addition to the aquarium. While there are websites that you could Google for such needed information, most of them fairly reliable, some sites will still be found to be giving conflicting information and the uninitiated may not know what's correct. An authoritative book on general fish information, which would include most of our more common aquarium fishes, is always an excellent source and one that's always readily available for your reading once you have it on your shelf. As Lenny says, these common Pleco's can get up to 18" long; your 3 Plecos will have needed a tank of about 180 gallons minimum, had you decided to keep them. This "minor" factor is immaterial when compared to the fact that they are so territorial that they will kill each other until only one is left -- IF you could have supplied them with a large enough tank. One can never keep more than one common Pleco to a tank -- unless the tank is humongous -- and I'm not referring to a tank that's only adequate in maintaining them such as one providing 75 gallons per fish. It's facts like these that some hobbyists don't take the time to find out. You're making a smart move in trading them off now. Albino Bristle-Nose Plecos make a nice addition and there is even a long-fin variety available. Some people find the Clown Loach a very appealing fish to add to their tanks, and it is, as it's peaceful, extremely colorful and is quite interesting behaviorally. What many of these hobbyists don't realize is that, while comparatively slower growing, these fish will grow to about 12" long. Admittedly, this is not a problem if one already knows this, and makes arrangements with the store owner to be able to "trade them in" once they start getting too large (or has a large tank to begin with). But all too often, the needed homework isn't done (neither has a prior arrangement with the store owner), and the hobbyist is left with no outlet for the fish, only the option of getting a larger tank (often, MUCH larger). Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "babyhellcat69" <babyhellcat69@...> wrote: > > I honestly didnt know how large the plecos would get at the time I bought them. They were so SMALL and cute. Now my largest is around 9 inches the others around 7 inches. I am going to trade off all 3 like you suggested. I have been having problems the last week or so with my water being very green and murky. I believed that with 2 good size filters (cascade 300's) that it would help keep my tank clean. But that wasnt the case. I did a complete water change tonight. Even used boiling water on my rocks and filters, hopeing to kill off the algae. > > I have seen some albino bristle nose plecos that seem more manageable. I think I will give 1 or 2 of those a try. :-) > > May I ask what kind of plants your cherry shrimp have in their tank? I have not planted their tank yet but want to, I have some floating FrogBits and mini water lettuce. I am trying to figure out what plants do go in low light settings. I think it would be pretty if I could find a plant that covers the rocks like an aquarium grass. my shrimps are still juvies so at the moment I have them in one of those net boxes inside the tank until they get a little bigger. I was kind of afraid they wouldnt find enough food if they had to scavage the entire tank floor being as small as they were. > > ~shell > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > Welcome to the group. The only thing that jumps out at me as a problem is > > the 3 common plecos in the 55G. Even 1 common pleco in a 55G is a problem > > since they grow to 18"+ and need a bare minimum of 75G each and a LONG > > enough tank so they have a little room to swim when they decide they want > > to. I know they don't swim around a lot but given the proper room, they do > > like to cruise around a tank. They will also become a serious bioload issue > > on the 55G tank as they grow. How did you end up with three? One common > > pleco would be plenty enough to handle the algae issues of a 55G tank and > > then once it reaches 6" or so, you could trade him/her in for a new juvi > > pleco. Many LFS (local fish stores) will set this up for folks as it's a > > win-win deal. The fish keeper gets a good algae eater and then is able to > > trade them in and the pet store is able to sell the larger fish for more > > money while the fish keeper gets a new smaller pleco to handle the algae. A > > better option would be to get a dwarf pleco in the first place. There are > > several good algae eating dwarf plecos that are much more available > > nowadays, with the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nosed Pleco being two of the most > > common dwarfs that I have seen in my area. > > > > Guppies can also cause a problem in a 10G tank if allowed to breed to much. > > Keep it around six or so guppies and you'll be OK. It's best to go with all > > males so you have the prettiest fish and none of the over-breeding issues > > since a 10G tank can't handle the bioload created by a lot of baby guppies. > > > > BTW.. I also have a planted 10G tank with Cherry Shrimp, for a couple of > > years now, and regularly deliver 25 or so to my LFS for store credit at 50 > > cents each. Remember to keep as many of the babies as possible and sell off > > the larger ones. Many folks think it's better to sell the babies but the > > babies will be the ones to grow up and create more shrimp for you... and > > it's less of a burden on the bioload of the tank by having 10 babies instead > > of one adult. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of babyhellcat69 > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:13 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie here (Florida) > > > > Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I > > currently have 3 tanks. > > > > 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. > > > > a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks before > > they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited about that. > > And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40128	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie here (Florida)

Also take all advice from the fish stores with a grain of salt, as half the time it's either untrue or only half right. Especially if they are advising you on fish ;) I was steered towards a catfish at my LFS and later found out that the thing gets GIGANTIC and needs like a 5000 gallon tank at full grown (or a lake, LOL). I'm not happy about it and will be arguing with them if they won't let me trade it back in. Amber Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > > Shell, While I'm hoping what I'm about to say will help you in the > future, please know that it is not directly soley at you. I realize > that when shopping around at your local fish store, it's often like > being the proverbial "kid in a candy store," with so much of an > enticing selection of fish to choose from as a new addition to your > tank. But, unless you're fairly familiar with the fish, one would be > best advised to first do their "homework" and check up on a new fish > intended as an addition to the aquarium. > > While there are websites that you could Google for such needed > information, most of them fairly reliable, some sites will still be > found to be giving conflicting information and the uninitiated may not > know what's correct. An authoritative book on general fish > information, which would include most of our more common aquarium > fishes, is always an excellent source and one that's always readily > available for your reading once you have it on your shelf. > > As Lenny says, these common Pleco's can get up to 18" long; your 3 > Plecos will have needed a tank of about 180 gallons minimum, had you > decided to keep them. This "minor" factor is immaterial when compared > to the fact that they are so territorial that they will kill each > other until only one is left -- IF you could have supplied them with a > large enough tank. One can never keep more than one common Pleco to a > tank -- unless the tank is humongous -- and I'm not referring to a > tank that's only adequate in maintaining them such as one providing 75 > gallons per fish. It's facts like these that some hobbyists don't take > the time to find out. You're making a smart move in trading them off > now. Albino Bristle-Nose Plecos make a nice addition and there is even > a long-fin variety available. > > Some people find the Clown Loach a very appealing fish to add to their > tanks, and it is, as it's peaceful, extremely colorful and is quite > interesting behaviorally. What many of these hobbyists don't realize > is that, while comparatively slower growing, these fish will grow to > about 12" long. Admittedly, this is not a problem if one already knows > this, and makes arrangements with the store owner to be able to "trade > them in" once they start getting too large (or has a large tank to > begin with). But all too often, the needed homework isn't done > (neither has a prior arrangement with the store owner), and the > hobbyist is left with no outlet for the fish, only the option of > getting a larger tank (often, MUCH larger). Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "babyhellcat69" > <babyhellcat69@...> wrote: > > > > I honestly didnt know how large the plecos would get at the time I > bought them. They were so SMALL and cute. Now my largest is around 9 > inches the others around 7 inches. I am going to trade off all 3 like > you suggested. I have been having problems the last week or so with my > water being very green and murky. I believed that with 2 good size > filters (cascade 300's) that it would help keep my tank clean. But > that wasnt the case. I did a complete water change tonight. Even used > boiling water on my rocks and filters, hopeing to kill off the algae. > > > > I have seen some albino bristle nose plecos that seem more > manageable. I think I will give 1 or 2 of those a try. :-) > > > > May I ask what kind of plants your cherry shrimp have in their tank? > I have not planted their tank yet but want to, I have some floating > FrogBits and mini water lettuce. I am trying to figure out what plants > do go in low light settings. I think it would be pretty if I could > find a plant that covers the rocks like an aquarium grass. my shrimps > are still juvies so at the moment I have them in one of those net > boxes inside the tank until they get a little bigger. I was kind of > afraid they wouldnt find enough food if they had to scavage the entire > tank floor being as small as they were. > > > > ~shell > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" > <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > > > Welcome to the group. The only thing that jumps out at me as a > problem is > > > the 3 common plecos in the 55G. Even 1 common pleco in a 55G is a > problem > > > since they grow to 18"+ and need a bare minimum of 75G each and a LONG > > > enough tank so they have a little room to swim when they decide > they want > > > to. I know they don't swim around a lot but given the proper room, > they do > > > like to cruise around a tank. They will also become a serious > bioload issue > > > on the 55G tank as they grow. How did you end up with three? One > common > > > pleco would be plenty enough to handle the algae issues of a 55G > tank and > > > then once it reaches 6" or so, you could trade him/her in for a > new juvi > > > pleco. Many LFS (local fish stores) will set this up for folks as > it's a > > > win-win deal. The fish keeper gets a good algae eater and then is > able to > > > trade them in and the pet store is able to sell the larger fish > for more > > > money while the fish keeper gets a new smaller pleco to handle the > algae. A > > > better option would be to get a dwarf pleco in the first place. > There are > > > several good algae eating dwarf plecos that are much more available > > > nowadays, with the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nosed Pleco being two > of the most > > > common dwarfs that I have seen in my area. > > > > > > Guppies can also cause a problem in a 10G tank if allowed to breed > to much. > > > Keep it around six or so guppies and you'll be OK. It's best to go > with all > > > males so you have the prettiest fish and none of the over-breeding > issues > > > since a 10G tank can't handle the bioload created by a lot of baby > guppies. > > > > > > BTW.. I also have a planted 10G tank with Cherry Shrimp, for a > couple of > > > years now, and regularly deliver 25 or so to my LFS for store > credit at 50 > > > cents each. Remember to keep as many of the babies as possible and > sell off > > > the larger ones. Many folks think it's better to sell the babies > but the > > > babies will be the ones to grow up and create more shrimp for > you... and > > > it's less of a burden on the bioload of the tank by having 10 > babies instead > > > of one adult. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of babyhellcat69 > > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:13 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie here (Florida) > > > > > > Hi, I just join this group and am looking forward to learning alot. I > > > currently have 3 tanks. > > > > > > 55 gallon tank full of plattys and a few mollys and 3 common plecos. > > > > > > a 10 gallon with cherry red shrimps. It will still be a few weeks > before > > > they are old enough to reach breeding age. I am really excited > about that. > > > And another 10 gallon tank with fancy guppies. > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40129	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: My LFS & Shrimp

My LFS is a place I don't visit very often. The tanks are constantly full of algae. Fish all seem healthy and I've never seen a dead fish there so it confuses me. Lots of salt water tanks with so much brown yuck you can barely see the fish! How do they live in there? I thought salt water fish were touchy... But to the shrimp.. they have the red cherry shrimp ($5 a pop) and then they have what they named 'algae eating shrimp'. (they weren't common 'ghost shrimp') Geesh! I asked him to look them up because I refuse to buy anything in which they don't have the scientific name for as it prevents me from researching their proper care. He looked at me real puzzled. That's ALL they sell is fish, you would think... oh.. I'll stop now. How I would dearly love to buy out that store... I honestly thought of asking him for a job cleaning tanks for him.LOL Going to go admire my tiny, yet clean fishy friends habitat now. ahhhhhh, home... Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40130	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloramine? Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml Temperature:77.8 Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scrapi not that I can tell Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40131	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page _http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@quaticLife@qua_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/pla Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40132	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page _http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@quaticLife@qua_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h t) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/pla Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40133	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Lenny I just looked at her again Looks like it is taking a while for her to poop, she still has a small amount attached to her....I will test the waters now I usually do High range ph Ammonia bottles 1 and 2 nitrate bottles 1 and 2 In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40134	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

If you still think it might be constipation, just feed her peas only for a couple of days. You should see plenty of green poop and that will clean her out. The fact that you are seeing poop makes me think it's not constipation though. Is she still bottom sitting and not very active or hiding? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I just looked at her again Looks like it is taking a while for her to poop, she still has a small amount attached to her....I will test the waters now I usually do High range ph Ammonia bottles 1 and 2 nitrate bottles 1 and 2 In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol d_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) t_ (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h ) t) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40135	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Tested the water........... Ph (high range) 7.4 Ammonia 0 bottle 1 Ammonia 0 bottle 2 Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 Nitrate no2 0 Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up swimming.....I think she is hungry could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? Thanks Janis I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol d_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) t_ (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) t) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40136	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I will be rereading your post to answer all questions Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: Month) Test readings (in numbers) for: Ammonia: Nitrite:.0 Nitrate:the water was clear pH: 7.4 GH: what is gh? KH: what is kh Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this page __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol d_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) t_ (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) t) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40137	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

she came up earlier......I am so confused...what else should I be looking for? In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:47:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: If you still think it might be constipation, just feed her peas only for a couple of days. You should see plenty of green poop and that will clean her out. The fact that you are seeing poop makes me think it's not constipation though. Is she still bottom sitting and not very active or hiding? Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:35 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I just looked at her again Looks like it is taking a while for her to poop, she still has a small amount attached to her....I will test the waters now I usually do High range ph Ammonia bottles 1 and 2 nitrate bottles 1 and 2 In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to time also. Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all four numbers. Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but something may pop up with more answers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the declor. My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and hubby are unemployed I want back to school tho. In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or another way of separating your reply from mine. GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying to diagnose issues. KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a pH crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount of swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its full potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank or pond. I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is not treated with chlorine/chloraminen Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after each time you do a PWC? For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what kind of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in and out of the swim bladder. Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they are already feeling from being sick. Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your filter maintenance above. Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good advice either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized tank. Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and probably not survive. This page ___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) ) (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) ) explains it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter media to remove the excess detritus. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) ) (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _AquatFrom: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_[mailto:_Aqua[mailto:_Aquatic[mailto:_Aquat[mail to:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@... 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See my article on this page ___http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp :_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol) d_ (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold _ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) ) t_ (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://go l_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn) h_ (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) ) t) ml Temperature:Temp Tank size:46gal Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob How long the tank has been set up:since last june Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/<WBR Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them ************************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40138	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <jan1213@...> wrote: > > > Tested the water........... > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.....I think she is hungry > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] > On > Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloraminen > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this > page > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol > d_ > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) > t_ > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn > h_ > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) > t) > ml > > Temperature:Temp > > Tank size:46gal > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > swimming up > > Fish behavior- > separating from school just her > hiding yes > breathing rapidly I don't think so > hanging at surface no > sitting on bottom yes > having difficulty swimming a little > scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ > > Fish appearance- > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > chunks missing from fins no > open sores no > bent spine no > > Tank appearance- > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > change yeaterday > greenish cloudy water no > excessive algae (specify color) no > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40139	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Thanks Harl you said it better than I did, I guess after my long week already and lack of sleep I'm just not that good at explaining myself anymore, LOL. Amber Harl Myers wrote: > > > I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add > the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second > bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free > glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the > test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with > the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to > shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to > shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the > regents. > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Tested the water........... > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.....I think she is hungry > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming > out long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > > pass > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > time to > > time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > us all > > four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> > > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > > On > > Behalf Of _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > > declor. > > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > yesterday > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > gave her > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > green. I > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > > hubby > > are > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) writes: > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master > Test Kit. > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under > $20.00 at > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > showing > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > might > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > trying > > to diagnose issues. > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > cause a > > pH > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > pretty > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > tank. > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > amount > > of > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > have > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > least it > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > > full > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a > larger tank > > or pond. > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > realize > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" > for water > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > that is > > not treated with chlorine/chloraminen > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > after > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > > kind > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > issue. > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to > help > > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish > poop. Swim > > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections > that > > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder > so it > > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to > go in > > and out of the swim bladder. > > > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a > sick fish > > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > predator so > > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. > This is > > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > > are > > already feeling from being sick. > > > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your > PWC or > > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > > filter maintenance above. > > > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE > to munch > > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds > also > > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of > course, I > > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding > a baby > > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > > advice > > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an > undersized > > tank. > > > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with > plants, > > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > plants > > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you > only > > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too > much and > > probably not survive. This page > > > __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) > > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_> > > (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx > <http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx>) ) > > explains > > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have > also seen > > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do > weekly > > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that > barely keeps > > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > > media to remove the excess detritus. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) ) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > > > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) ] > > > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) _ > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) ) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) _ > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) ) writes: > > > > Month) > > > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > > Ammonia: > > Nitrite:.0 > > Nitrate:the water was clear > > pH: 7.4 > > > > GH: what is gh? > > > > KH: what is kh > > > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, > now would > > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on > this > > page > > > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol > <http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol> > > d_ > > > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh > <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh>) > > t_ > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn > <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn> > > h_ > > > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h>) > > t) > > ml > > > > Temperature:Temp > > > > Tank size:46gal > > > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic > life):just her > > > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or > inhabitants.beha > > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > > swimming up > > > > Fish behavior- > > separating from school just her > > hiding yes > > breathing rapidly I don't think so > > hanging at surface no > > sitting on bottom yes > > having difficulty swimming a little > > scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ > > > > Fish appearance- > > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > > chunks missing from fins no > > open sores no > > bent spine no > > > > Tank appearance- > > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > > change yeaterday > > greenish cloudy water no > > excessive algae (specify color) no > > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near > you now. > > > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006>) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40140	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers are very confusing for test results. Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > Tested the water........... > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.....I think she is hungry > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > On > Behalf Of _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloraminen > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > __http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_> > (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx > <http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx>) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely > keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) _ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquatiTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) _ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now > would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this > page > __http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol > <http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol> > d_ > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh > <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh>) > > t_ > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn > <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn> > h_ > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h>) > > t) > ml > > Temperature:Temp > > Tank size:46gal > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > swimming up > > Fish behavior- > separating from school just her > hiding yes > breathing rapidly I don't think so > hanging at surface no > sitting on bottom yes > having difficulty swimming a little > scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ > > Fish appearance- > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > chunks missing from fins no > open sores no > bent spine no > > Tank appearance- > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > change yeaterday > greenish cloudy water no > excessive algae (specify color) no > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you > now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40141	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

yes................i will redo In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers are very confusing for test results. Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > ___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) >) > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) >) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely > keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ [mai > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WB > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WB > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><WB > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) ) wr > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now > would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40142	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

ammonia .50 nitrates 0 what do I do now? In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers are very confusing for test results. Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > ___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) >) > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) >) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely > keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: FromicLife@icLi > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ [mai > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WB > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WB > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><WB > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) ) wr > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now > would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40143	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) wrote: > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > > pass > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > time to > > time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all > > four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) >) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > > declor. > > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > yesterday > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > > gave her > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > green. I > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > > hubby > > are > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test > Kit. > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 > at > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > > showing > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > might > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > trying > > to diagnose issues. > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > cause a > > pH > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > pretty > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > tank. > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > amount > > of > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > have > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > > least it > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > > full > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger > tank > > or pond. > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > realize > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > > water > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > that is > > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > after > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > > kind > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > issue. > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to > help > > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. > Swim > > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections > that > > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so > it > > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go > in > > and out of the swim bladder. > > > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > > fish > > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > > predator so > > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This > is > > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > > are > > already feeling from being sick. > > > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your > PWC or > > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > > filter maintenance above. > > > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > > munch > > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds > also > > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of > course, > I > > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > > baby > > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > > advice > > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an > undersized > > tank. > > > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with > plants, > > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > > plants > > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you > only > > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too > much and > > probably not survive. This page > > > ___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_>) > > > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_>) > > > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) > > > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) >) > > > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) > > > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_> > (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_>) > > > > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_> > (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx > <http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx>) > > > <_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ > <http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_> > (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx > <http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx>) >) ) > > explains > > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also > seen > > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do > weekly > > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely > > keeps > > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > > media to remove the excess detritus. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ > <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) >) > > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ > <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ > <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) >) ) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: FromicLife@icLi > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ [mai > > > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) ] > > > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WB > > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WB > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: > _AquaticLi To: > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><WB > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) ) wr > > > > Month) > > > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > > Ammonia: > > Nitrite:.0 > > Nitrate:the water was clear > > pH: 7.4 > > > > GH: what is gh? > > > > KH: what is kh > > > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now > > would > > be a good time to start finding out what they are. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40144	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

this is not a new tank......................what can I buy to detoxify the ammonia now In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > > pass > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > time to > > time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all > > four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > > <__http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > > > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > <__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) >) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) ] > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLif To: _AquaticL To: > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogr oups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > > declor. > > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > yesterday > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > > gave her > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > green. I > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > > hubby > > are > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test > Kit. > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 > at > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > > showing > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > might > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > trying > > to diagnose issues. > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > cause a > > pH > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > pretty > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > tank. > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > amount > > of > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > have > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > > least it > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > > full > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger > tank > > or pond. > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > realize > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > > water > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > that is > > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > after > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > > kind > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > issue. > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to > help > > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. > Swim > > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections > that > > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so > it > > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go > in > > and out of the swim bladder. > > > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > > fish > > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > > predator so > > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This > is > > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > > are > > already feeling from being sick. > > > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your > PWC or > > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > > filter maintenance above. > > > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > > munch > > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds > also > > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of > course, > I > > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > > baby > > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > > advice > > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an > undersized > > tank. > > > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with > plants, > > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > > plants > > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you > only > > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too > much and > > probably not survive. 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I > > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also > seen > > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do > weekly > > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely > > keeps > > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > > media to remove the excess detritus. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) >) > > <__http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) >) > > > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldl_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldl_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http: //goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > <__http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldl_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldl_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) >) > > (___http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) >) > <__http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) >) > > > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > <__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) >) ) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: FromicLife@icLi > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) ) > > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ [mai > > > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_Aqua (ma > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) ) ] > > > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40145	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank......................what can I buy to detoxify > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) wrote: > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _amber@... <mailto:_amber%40rose-fields.amb>_ > (mailto:amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@... > <mailto:ma_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > > eating > > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > digestive > > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > > long > > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop > is > > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > > almost > > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > they > > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would > not > > > pass > > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the > food. > I > > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > > time to > > > time also. > > > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > > us all > > > four numbers. > > > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > other > > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ > <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) >) > > > <__http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ > <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_ <http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldl_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) >) > > > > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ > <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ > <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) >) > > <__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ > <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ > <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ <http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_> > (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_>) > > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) >) >) > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) ] > > > On > > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > > > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLif To: > _AquaticL To: > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogr > oups.com) > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > > > declor. > > > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > > yesterday > > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > > > gave her > > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > > green. I > > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > > > hubby > > > are > > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test > > Kit. > > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under > $20.00 > > at > > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > > > showing > > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > > might > > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > > trying > > > to diagnose issues. > > > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > > cause a > > > pH > > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > > pretty > > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > > tank. > > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > > amount > > > of > > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > > have > > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > > > least it > > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows > to its > > > full > > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger > > tank > > > or pond. > > > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > > realize > > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > > > water > > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > > that is > > > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > > after > > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or > what > > > kind > > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > > issue. > > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > > > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to > > help > > > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. > > Swim > > > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections > > that > > > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim > bladder so > > it > > > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air > to go > > in > > > and out of the swim bladder. > > > > > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick > > > fish > > > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > > > predator so > > > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. > This > > is > > > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > > > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress > they > > > are > > > already feeling from being sick. > > > > > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your > > PWC or > > > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about > your > > > filter maintenance above. > > > > > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to > > > munch > > > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I > have > > > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds > > also > > > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of > > course, > > I > > > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to > underfeed > > > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so > many > > > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a > > > baby > > > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > > > advice > > > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > > > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an > > undersized > > > tank. > > > > > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with > > plants, > > > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > > > plants > > > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you > > only > > > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too > > much and > > > probably not survive. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40146	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (m ailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > > eating > > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > digestive > > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > > long > > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop > is > > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > > almost > > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > they > > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would > not > > > pass > > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the > food. > I > > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > > time to > > > time also. > > > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > > us all > > > four numbers. > > > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > other > > > questions. 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I will get on your site and look at the poop > > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > > yesterday > > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > > > gave her > > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > > green. I > > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > > > hubby > > > are > > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLeg__ > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldL__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test > > Kit. > > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under > $20.00 > > at > > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > > > showing > > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > > might > > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > > trying > > > to diagnose issues. > > > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > > cause a > > > pH > > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > > pretty > > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > > tank. > > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > > amount > > > of > > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > > have > > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > > > least it > > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows > to its > > > full > > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger > > tank > > > or pond. > > > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > > realize > > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for > > > water > > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > > that is > > > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > > after > > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or > what > > > kind > > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > > issue. > > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40147	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

stress zyme doesn't seem to do anything from what I've noticed, maybe someone else has had some good experience with it.... If you did a water change already and your ammonia is still .50 then I would probably do another water change in a few hours. Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > > > > The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just > add a little extra than what is recommended. > > Amber > > _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) wrote: > > > > > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > > the > > ammonia now > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _amber@... <mailto:_amber%40rose-fields.amb>_ > (mailto:amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > How old is the tank? > > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > > mess up the test too. > > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > > doesn't get too high in the tank. > > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > > off to lower the temps? > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@... > <mailto:ma_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > > nitrates 0 > > > what do I do now? > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@... > <mailto:_amber%40rose-fields.amb>) > <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > > (mailto:_amber@... <mailto:_amber%40rose-fields.amb>_ > (mailto:amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test > tube > > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same > vial > > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your > answers > > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@aol._ja_ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@... > <mailto:_ma_jan1213%40aol.ma>__ > (mailto:ma_jan1213@... <mailto:ma_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@... > <mailto:ma_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow > morning? > > > > Thanks Janis > > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (m > ailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > > > eating > > > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > > digestive > > > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was > coming out > > > long > > > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish > poop > > is > > > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > > > almost > > > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > > they > > > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would > > not > > > > pass > > > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the > > food. > > I > > > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > > > time to > > > > time also. > > > > > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > > > us all > > > > four numbers. > > > > > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > > other > > > > questions. 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Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf > > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > > > (mailto:__jan1213@ (mailto:__ja__jan1213@aol._ja_ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > > > > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLif To: > > _AquaticL To: > > > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR (ma > > oups.com) > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > > > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima>) > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > > > > > > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > > > > declor. > > > > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > > > > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since > > > yesterday > > > > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I > > > > gave her > > > > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping > > > green. I > > > > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me > and > > > > hubby > > > > are > > > > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLeg__ > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > > > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldL__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > > > > > > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master > Test > > > Kit. > > > > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under > > $20.00 > > > at > > > > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > > > > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are > > > > showing > > > > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you > > > might > > > > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL > CAPS or > > > > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > > > > > > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when > > > trying > > > > to diagnose issues. > > > > > > > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important > in > > > > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could > > > cause a > > > > pH > > > > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your > pH > > > > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > > > > > > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get > > > pretty > > > > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > > > > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G > > > tank. > > > > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent > > > amount > > > > of > > > > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't > > > have > > > > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at > > > > least it > > > > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows > > to its > > > > full > > > > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a > larger > > > tank > > > > or pond. > > > > > > > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I > > > realize > > > > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" > for > > > > water > > > > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water > > > that is > > > > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > > > > > > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up > > > after > > > > each time you do a PWC? > > > > > > > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or > > what > > > > kind > > > > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > > > > > > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder > > > issue. > > > > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > > > > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On > my > > > > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to > > > help > > > > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish > poop. > > > Swim > > > > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections > > > that > > > > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim > > bladder so > > > it > > > > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air > > to go > > > in > > > > and out of the swim bladder. > > > > > > > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a > sick > > > > fish > > > > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a > > > > predator so > > > > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. > > This > > > is > > > > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to > hide > > > > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress > > they > > > > are > > > > already feeling from being sick. > > > > > > > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your > > > PWC or > > > > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about > > your > > > > filter maintenance above. > > > > > > > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do > LOVE to > > > > munch > > > > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I > > have > > > > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds > > > also > > > > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of > > > course, > > > I > > > > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to > > underfeed > > > > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so > > many > > > > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not > feeding > a > > > > baby > > > > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't > good > > > > advice > > > > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more > frequent > > > > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an > > > undersized > > > > tank. > > > > > > > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with > > > plants, > > > > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the > > > > plants > > > > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you > > > only > > > > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too > > > much and > > > > probably not survive. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40148	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I found out I was doing this wrong........my ammonia level is .50 not good In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, uneekfish@... writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From: _A_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > ___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) ) > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) > (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) ) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) _ > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this > page > ___http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp:_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol) > d_ > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) ) > t_ > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn) > h_ > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) ) > t) > ml > > Temperature: Tem > > Tank size:46gal > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants. beh > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > swimming up > > Fish behavior- > separating from school just her > hiding yes > breathing rapidly I don't think so > hanging at surface no > sitting on bottom yes > having difficulty swimming a little > scraping body on ornaments/plants/ scraping body on ornaments/plants/<WB > > Fish appearance- > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > chunks missing from fins no > open sores no > bent spine no > > Tank appearance- > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > change yeaterday > greenish cloudy water no > excessive algae (specify color) no > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > ************ ************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40149	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish help again

I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@... writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@..._ (mailto:uneekfish@...) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) ) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From: _A_AquaticLife@ From: _ From: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_Aqua [mai (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) ) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. This page > ____http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azh_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) ) > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.azgahttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) ) ) > (___http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.http://wwhttp://www.azhttp:_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://wwwhttp://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) ) > (__http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://www.azghttp://www.azghttp://ww_ (http://www.azgardenhttp//www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgardenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) ) ) ) > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) ) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldl_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) ) ) > (___http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) ) (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) ) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) ) _ > (mailto:__jan1213@ (mailto:__ja__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@W__GoldLenn (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) ) _ > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldLenny__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) ) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this > page > ____http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldlennyhttp://goldlenhttp://go ldh_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp:_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp:_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlen http://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol) ) > d_ > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp: //_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold _ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) ) ) > t_ > (___http://goldlenny.http://goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhtt p:/_ (http://goldlenny.http//goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn) ) > h_ > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://go ldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) ) ) > t) > ml > > Temperature: Tem > > Tank size:46gal > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants. beh > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > swimming up > > Fish behavior- > separating from school just her > hiding yes > breathing rapidly I don't think so > hanging at surface no > sitting on bottom yes > having difficulty swimming a little > scraping body on ornaments/plants/ scraping body on ornaments/plants/<WB > > Fish appearance- > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > chunks missing from fins no > open sores no > bent spine no > > Tank appearance- > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > change yeaterday > greenish cloudy water no > excessive algae (specify color) no > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > ************ ************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40150	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I’m not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%40gmail.une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:uneekfish%40gmail.com> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.http:/GoldLen_> http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLe_> http//GoldLe_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldl_> http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/Gohtt_> http//Gohtt_) ) > (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlen_> http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_> http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/gohttp_> http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/) ) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From: _A_AquaticLife@ From: _ From: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_Aqua [mai (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com) ) ) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. 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I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.http:/GoldLenn_> http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLen_> http//GoldLen_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldle_> http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLe_> http//GoldLe_) ) > (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldle_> http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldl_> http//goldl_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldl_> http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/Gohtt_> http//Gohtt_) ) ) > (___http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlenn_> http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlen_> http//goldlen_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldle_> http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_> http//gohttp_) ) (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlen_> http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_> http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/gohttp_> http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/) ) ) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) ) ) _ > (mailto:__jan1213@ (mailto:__ja__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com) ) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@W__GoldLenn (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) ) ) _ > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldLenny__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com) ) ) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. See my article on this > page > ____http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlennyhttp:/goldlennyhttp:/goldlenhttp:/go> http://goldlennyhttp://goldlennyhttp://goldlenhttp://go ldh_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlennyhttp:/goldlhttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:_> http//goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp:_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlennyhttp:/goldhttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:_> http://goldlennyhttp://goldhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp:_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlen> http//goldlen http://gohttp: <http://gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/gol> //goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol) ) > d_ > (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlennyhttp:/goldhttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:> http://goldlennyhttp://goldhttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp: //_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlehttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/gold_> http//goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlehttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/gold> http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gold _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/goldlennh> http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh) ) ) > t_ > (___http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlennyhttp:/goldlhttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhtt> http://goldlennyhttp://goldlhttp://goldlehttp://goldhtt p:/_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlenhttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/gol_> http//goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlehttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/gol_> http://goldlehttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://gol_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/goldlenn> http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn) ) > h_ > (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlenhttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/go> http://goldlenhttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://go ldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/goldlennh_> http//gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh_) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/gohttp:/gohttp:/goldlehttp:/goldhttp:/goldlenn> http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlenn h_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h > blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h) ) ) > t) > ml > > Temperature: Tem > > Tank size:46gal > > Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her > > Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday > > Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:hob > > How long the tank has been set up:since last june > > Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used:none > > Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: > > Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd > behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants. beh > common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night > she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time > swimming up > > Fish behavior- > separating from school just her > hiding yes > breathing rapidly I don't think so > hanging at surface no > sitting on bottom yes > having difficulty swimming a little > scraping body on ornaments/plants/ scraping body on ornaments/plants/<WB > > Fish appearance- > pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony > material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no > chunks missing from fins no > open sores no > bent spine no > > Tank appearance- > whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water > change yeaterday > greenish cloudy water no > excessive algae (specify color) no > we add more plants to her tank, she eats them > > ************ ************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40151	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@... writes: I’m not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<mailto:uneekfish%mailto:unee> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail._Go_ ( __Gol <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http/GoldLen_) > _http://GoldLen__ (http://goldlen_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/GoldLe_) > http//GoldLe_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldl_) > _http://goldl__ (http://goldl_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://gold_ (http://goldlenny.http/Gohtt_) > http//Gohtt_ > (___http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldlen_) > _http://goldlen__ (http://goldlen_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_) > http//gohttp_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.<WBR>http:/go_ (http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_) > _http://gohttp__ (http://gohttp_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > blogspot.com/ > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From: _A_AquaticLife@ From: _ From: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_Aqua [mai (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:__jan1213@<WBR>aol(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto :_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLeg__GoldL (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:__GoldLenny<WBR>@gmail._Go_(mailt <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) ) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. 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I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _____http://GoldLenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http/GoldLenn_) > _http://GoldLenn__ (http://goldlenn_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/GoldLen_) > http//GoldLen_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldle_) > _http://goldle__ (http://goldle_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/GoldLe_) > http//GoldLe_ > (___http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldle_) > _http://goldle__ (http://goldle_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://gold_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldl_) > http//goldl_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldl_) > _http://goldl__ (http://goldl_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://gold_ (http://goldlenny.http/Gohtt_) > http//Gohtt_ > (____http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlenn_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldlenn_) > _http://goldlenn__ (http://goldlenn_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldlen_) > http//goldlen_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldle_) > _http://goldle__ (http://goldle_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_) > http//gohttp_ (___http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http/goldlen_) > _http://goldlen__ (http://goldlen_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_) > http//gohttp_ (__http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_) > _http://gohttp__ (http://gohttp_/) (_http://goldlenny._ (http://goldlenny./) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > blogspot.com/ bl > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:__jan1213@<WBR>aol(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto :_j> jan) ) ) _ > (mailto:__jan1213@ (mailto:__ja_ (mai (mailto: (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:__jan1213@<WBR>aol(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto :_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:14 AM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquatiTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLif (mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 12:25:38 A.M. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40152	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: comet fish

Do I use stress zyme or ammo lock I have both thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40153	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

Then you are beginning your cycle from scratch. Can your LFS hold your fish for you? Or can you get some Dr. Tim’s One and Only? _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net writes: I’m not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<mailto:uneekfish%mailto:unee> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail._Go_ ( __Gol <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.http:/GoldLen_> http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLen_> http/GoldLen_) > _http://GoldLen_ <http://GoldLen__> _ (http://goldlen_ <http://goldlen_/> /) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldl_> http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLe_> http/GoldLe_) > http//GoldLe_ (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldl_> http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldl_> http/goldl_) > _http://goldl_ <http://goldl__> _ (http://goldl_ <http://goldl_/> /) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/gold_> http://gold_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/Gohtt_> http/Gohtt_) > http//Gohtt_ > (___http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldlen_> http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/goldlen_> http/goldlen_) > _http://goldlen_ <http://goldlen__> _ (http://goldlen_ <http://goldlen_/> /) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/goldl_> http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_> http/gohttp_) > http//gohttp_ (__http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny.<WBR>http:/go_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/gohttp_> http/gohttp_) > _http://gohttp_ <http://gohttp__> _ (http://gohttp_ <http://gohttp_/> /) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http:/gohttp_> http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/) > blogspot.com/ > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From: _A_AquaticLife@ From: _ From: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_Aqua [mai (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) ] > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:__jan1213@<WBR>aol(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto :_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_Aquat(mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLeg__GoldL (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:__GoldLenny<WBR>@gmail._Go_(mailt <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) ) writes: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. 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> There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. 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Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<W__GoldLenny@W__GoldLenn (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:__GoldLenny<WBR>@gmail._Go_(mailt <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) ) ) _ > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__G (mailto:__Gold (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:__GoldLenny<WBR>@gmail._Go_(mailt <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%ldLenny%<WB> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) ) ) writes: > > Month) > > Test readings (in numbers) for: > Ammonia: > Nitrite:.0 > Nitrate:the water was clear > pH: 7.4 > > GH: what is gh? > > KH: what is kh > > Also post your tap water baseline numbers if known. If not known, now would > be a good time to start finding out what they are. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40154	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I have stress zyme I would have to mail order Dr. tims In a message dated 5/6/2009 9:49:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@... writes: Then you are beginning your cycle from scratch. Can your LFS hold your fish for you? Or can you get some Dr. Tim’s One and Only? _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:26 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%mailto:djranmai> .net writes: I’m not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: _AquaticLife@<WBR>AquaF <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq[ <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ya On Behalf Of _jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@(mailto:j<mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticLife@<WBR>AquatiT <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wron wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<<WBR>mailto:unee<WBR>mailto:> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail.gmail.<WBR>_Go_ <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. 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Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:_(mailto:_<WBR>aol(aol(<WBR<<WBR>mailto:_jan<WBR>m :_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:mailto:<Wmailto:<W> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_(mailto:_Aqua(mailto:_Aq<<WB>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima> yahoogroups. ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLenng__Gol (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:_(mailto:__<<WB>@gmail.@gmail.<WB <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) ) write s: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. 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I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40155	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I don’t think stress zyme is going to help you at all and may cause harm. If anything, do a partial water change to bring the ammonia down to 0.25. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have stress zyme I would have to mail order Dr. tims In a message dated 5/6/2009 9:49:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%40optonline.net> .net writes: Then you are beginning your cycle from scratch. Can your LFS hold your fish for you? Or can you get some Dr. Tim’s One and Only? _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> com) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:26 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@optonline <mailto:djransome%mailto:djranmai> .net writes: I’m not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: _AquaticLife@<WBR>AquaF <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_AquaticLif<WBR>e@Aq[ <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. ya On Behalf Of _jan1213@aol. <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@(mailto:j<mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticLife@<WBR>AquatiT <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> yahoogroups. Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wron wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<<WBR>mailto:unee<WBR>mailto:> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail.gmail.<WBR>_Go_ <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. 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> On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@ Behalf O (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:_(mailto:_<WBR>aol(aol(<WBR<<WBR>mailto:_jan<WBR>m :_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mail<mailto:mailto:<Wmailto:<W> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) ) > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aq To: _Aqu_AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: (mailto:_AquaticLif(mailto:_(mailto:_Aqua(mailto:_Aq<<WB>e@Aq( <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLima> yahoogroups. ) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish > > Lenny I do have the API freshwater test kit. Sorry use Prime for the > declor. > My fish is 7-8 inches. I will get on your site and look at the poop > stuff.....I did a PWC again this morning. have not fed her since yesterday > dinner...Her poop yesterday was pink because of her food ad then I gave her > peas and it turned green...I noticed today she was still pooping green. I > want to get her another tank but I cannot afford at this time...Me and > hubby > are > unemployed I want back to school tho. > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLenng__Gol (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny(mailto:_(mailto:__<<WB>@gmail.@gmail.<WB <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) ) write s: > > OK. In reviewing your answers below, you really do need a Master Test Kit. > Either the API or Tetratest-Laborette can be purchased for under $20.00 at > Walmart.com with free shipping to your local store. Not knowing your > ammonia or nitrate level can be a problem although at least you are showing > 0.0ppm for nitrite and your pH is OK. When answering this reply, you might > want to type your answers after each paragraph, either in ALL CAPS or > another way of separating your reply from mine. > > GH is General Hardness. It's not a critical thing but helpful when trying > to diagnose issues. > > KH is Carbonate Harness. Same as above but KH can be very important in > fully stocked tank because if the KH level gets too low, it could cause a > pH > crash which can cause problems and even outright kill fish. Is your pH > always around the 7.4 mark that you posted? > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... I need to add the "How big are your fish" question to my > questionnaire. A full grown Comet would be much too large for a 46G tank. > You would need at least a 6' to 8' long tank to give them a decent amount > of > swimming room. A 12" to 16" long body and fast swimming fish doesn't have > much swimming room in a 3' long tank. If it's still small, then at least it > has some swimming room for now but as it grows.. and if it grows to its > full > potential (meaning if it doesn't get stunted), you will need a larger tank > or pond. > > I see you did a 25% PWC (partial water change) "yesterday" which I realize > could be a couple of days ago by now, but you also mention "none" for water > additives. Do you use a dechlor product or do you have well water that is > not treated with chlorine/chloramine > > Do you know your tap water baseline parameters? Does the fish act up after > each time you do a PWC? > > For your HOB filter, did you change out the filter cartridge... or what > kind > of filter maintenance did you do? What brand and model number is it? > > Having a hard time swimming up is likely related to a swim bladder issue. > Swim bladder problems can be caused by digestive tract issues like > constipation. Have you seen her pooping? What does it look like? On my > blog, I have a section in my Disease pages on Fish Poop Diagnosis to help > explain what kinds of issues can be sometimes diagnosed by fish poop. Swim > bladder problems can also be caused by internal bacterial infections that > cause swelling on nearby organs which then compress the swim bladder so it > can't hold as much air or it could block the tubes that allow air to go in > and out of the swim bladder. > > Since you mention the fish is hiding, that is more of a sign of a sick fish > also. In nature, sick fish are the most likely to be eaten by a predator so > sick fish (even if alone in our home aquariums) will tend to hide. This is > why it's good to put something in a hospital tank for the fish to hide > behind as it gives them a sense of security which lowers the stress they > are > already feeling from being sick. > > Was the water getting the whitish cloudy color before you did your PWC or > after? Also make sure you answer the questions for more info about your > filter maintenance above. > > Since your goldfish is eating all of your plants, and they do LOVE to munch > on plants, but it could mean you are not feeding the fish enough. I have > live plants in my goldfish tank and have always had them in my ponds also > and the plants do not get completely eaten.. only nibbled on. Of course, I > make sure my little pigs get enough to eat. Many folks tend to underfeed > goldfish as feeding them also causes water quality issues since so many > goldfish are kept in undersized tanks. I compare this to not feeding a baby > so you don't have to change their diaper as often but that isn't good > advice > either. You still have to feed them properly and just do more frequent > filter maintenance and PWC's to compensate for them being in an undersized > tank. > > Also, with plants in a goldfish tank, you have to load it up with plants, > all at once, so that the nibbling is spread among many plants so the plants > have a chance to recover and grow in between being picked on. If you only > add one or two plants at a time, then they'll get nibbled on too much and > probably not survive. 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http/www.http:/wwhttp:/www.azghttp:/wwhttp_) > _http://www.http: <http://www.http:http:/wwhttp:/www.htthttp:/ww_> http://wwhttp://www.htthttp://ww_ (http://www.http/ <http://www.http/wwhttp:/www.azghttp:/wwhttp_> /wwhttp://www.azghttp://wwhttp_) (_http://www.azgarden <http://www.azgarden_> _ (http://www.azgarden <http://www.azgarden/> /) <_http://www.azgarden <http://www.azgardenhttp:/www.> http://www.<WBR>gold<WBR>goldfish-<WBR>gold<WBR_ (http://www.azgarden <http://www.azgardens.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx> s.com/c-66-goldfish-plant-habitat-packages.aspx) > s.com/c-66-goldfishs.com/c-66-golds.com/c-6s.com/c-66> s.com/c-66-goldfishs.com/c-66-s.com/c-66s.com/c-6s.com/c-6 > explains > it further and has suggested planting schemes for various sized tanks. > There are better prices elsewhere so just use this page as an example. I > have also seen a few complaints on the AZGardens site but I have also seen > good reports. Check out my blog for "Planted Tank..." for more info on > planting schemes, other sites that have packages and better prices. > > I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" Clown Pleco in a 65G tank and do weekly > filter and tank maintenance with 25% PWC's every week and that barely keeps > up with their bioload. I can't imagine going more than a week without > siphoning out the poop from the gravel and properly cleaning the filter > media to remove the excess detritus. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ______http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.h_> h_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._/> _/) > _ (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.h_> h_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) > /) <__http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.http:/GoldLenn_> http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny.http/GoldLenn_> http/GoldLenn_) > _http://GoldLenn_ <http://GoldLenn__> _ (http://goldlenn_ <http://goldlenn_/> /) (_http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny._> _ (http://goldlenny. <http://goldlenny./> /) <_http://goldlenny. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40156	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

I need to order for overnight.....................can I still cycle with my fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40157	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

You may not have to do as many PWC's. It depends on your ammonia and nitrite reading. Just do a 25% PWC any time the ammonia or nitrite gets close to 1.0ppm or goes over 1.0ppm. Some days you might even have to do 2 or more 25% PWC's. Wait a couple of hours in between each PWC. I know there are a lot more replies that I have to read through but I still haven't seen an answer about how you did your HOB maintenance. Did you change your cartridge? What brand and model? If you've already answered this in one of the coming posts, I'll see it soon. When at my blog, read or re-read my article on proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning so you do not make these common mistakes in the future. Hopefully, you are just having a mini-cycle which will clear up soon but the cycling issue is likely the cause of your goldfish acting "sick". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test > tube with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the > same vial of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because > your answers are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ (mailto:jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) wrote: > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t could it be she just needed to > > empyy out? I want to watch her now...should I give her a few peas of > > just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > > digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was > > coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish > > poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. > > They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > > they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it > > would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more > > nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day > > with snacks thrown in from time to time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > > other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem > > but something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40158	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

The Prime dechlor that you use will make the ammonia non-toxic. If I recall correctly, your pH is only 7.4 so you can have an ammonia level up to 1.0ppm without too much problem. If you pH is or goes much higher than 7.4, let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish this is not a new tank......................what can I buy to detoxify the ammonia now In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > > pass > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > time to > > time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all > > four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40159	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

DO NOT use Stress-Zyme or any other bottled bacteria. The only one that really works as advertised is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The others like Stress-Zyme and Cycle just make things worse in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (m ailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > > eating > > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > digestive > > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > > long > > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop > is > > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > > almost > > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > they > > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would > not > > > pass > > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the > food. > I > > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > > time to > > > time also. > > > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > > us all > > > four numbers. > > > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > other > > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40160	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Lenny I have to start all over again.......the filter was really gunky last week the wheels stopped moving,,,,I cleaned them too well.......................Where can I get Dr Tim one and only fast....and can I cycle with fish with this? In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:51:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: You may not have to do as many PWC's. It depends on your ammonia and nitrite reading. Just do a 25% PWC any time the ammonia or nitrite gets close to 1.0ppm or goes over 1.0ppm. Some days you might even have to do 2 or more 25% PWC's. Wait a couple of hours in between each PWC. I know there are a lot more replies that I have to read through but I still haven't seen an answer about how you did your HOB maintenance. Did you change your cartridge? What brand and model? If you've already answered this in one of the coming posts, I'll see it soon. When at my blog, read or re-read my article on proper Filter Maintenance And Cleaning so you do not make these common mistakes in the future. Hopefully, you are just having a mini-cycle which will clear up soon but the cycling issue is likely the cause of your goldfish acting "sick". Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:09 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test > tube with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the > same vial of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because > your answers are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (ma_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t could it be she just needed to > > empyy out? I want to watch her now...should I give her a few peas of > > just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><W > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > > digestive tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was > > coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish > > poop is supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. > > They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > > they actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it > > would not pass through as quickly and they could absorb more > > nutrients from the food. I feed my goldfish a couple of times a day > > with snacks thrown in from time to time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > > other questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem > > but something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40161	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

If you haven't opened the Stress-Zyme, bring it back. Don't PANIC. Wait and see what further test results reveal. Ammonia of 0.5ppm is nothing to be alarmed about. You do have to watch it but not do anything drastic. Re-test the tank in the morning and give us the numbers. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@... writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@..._ (mailto:uneekfish@...) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40162	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I have been doing my test wrong.....................ammonia .50 and 0 nitrates In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:54:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: The Prime dechlor that you use will make the ammonia non-toxic. If I recall correctly, your pH is only 7.4 so you can have an ammonia level up to 1.0ppm without too much problem. If you pH is or goes much higher than 7.4, let us know. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish this is not a new tank........this is nthis is not a new tank........<W ammonia now In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) writes: How old is the tank? Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would mess up the test too. It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia doesn't get too high in the tank. How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light off to lower the temps? Amber __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) wrote: > > > ammonia .50 > nitrates 0 > what do I do now? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > are very confusing for test results. > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@ao__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > Thanks Janis > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > eating > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > long > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > almost > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > > pass > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > time to > > time also. > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > us all > > four numbers. > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - ____http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenn_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldle_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) ) **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40163	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

Yes, rinsing your filter media in tap water that has chlorine/chloramine in it or hot water will kill off some/all of the bacteria. But you should still have some in the gravel. Take a handful of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir. That will help transfer the good bacteria to the filter quicker. I still haven't seen which Brand or Model but I'm guessing it's a Bio-Wheel since you mention a wheel. NEVER over clean the Bio-Wheel cartridge if you only have one filter system on the tank. It doesn't have to spin like a top to work. As long as it's turning even a little, it will be working. It's better to clean the little holders on the side of the Bio-Wheel and it's OK to swish the Bio-Wheel around in some removed tank water but never clean it under tap or hot water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djransome@... writes: I'm not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<mailto:uneekfish%mailto:unee> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail._Go_ ( __Gol <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_Go<mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40164	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I panicked and used ammo lock......Where can I Dr Tim overnight In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: DO NOT use Stress-Zyme or any other bottled bacteria. The only one that really works as advertised is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The others like Stress-Zyme and Cycle just make things worse in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:21 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@ao__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __amber@rose- __amber@rose-<WBR>_ambe__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@W__jan121 (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (__ma_jan1213@_ma_ja_ (mailto:_ma _jan1213@...) __ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenng__GoldLeg__Gol ailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > > (mailto:__GoldLenny (mailto:__GoldL__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > > > > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after > > eating > > > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her > digestive > > > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out > > long > > > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop > is > > > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have > > almost > > > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why > they > > > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would > not > > > pass > > > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the > food. > I > > > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from > > > time to > > > time also. > > > > > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give > > > us all > > > four numbers. > > > > > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my > other > > > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > > > something may pop up with more answers. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - _____http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLenny_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLenn_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLen_) ) **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40165	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: comet fish

I thought you had Prime? If you have Prime, use it. Return the Stress-Zyme and Ammo-Lock. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] comet fish Do I use stress zyme or ammo lock I have both thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40166	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight.....................can I still cycle with my fish in it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40167	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: comet fish

I already used ammo lock...I won't use stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:02:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I thought you had Prime? If you have Prime, use it. Return the Stress-Zyme and Ammo-Lock. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:43 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] comet fish Do I use stress zyme or ammo lock I have both thanks **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40168	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I have the penguin power filter. it uses 4 carbon filters as 2 wheels In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:01:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, rinsing your filter media in tap water that has chlorine/chloramine in it or hot water will kill off some/all of the bacteria. But you should still have some in the gravel. Take a handful of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir. That will help transfer the good bacteria to the filter quicker. I still haven't seen which Brand or Model but I'm guessing it's a Bio-Wheel since you mention a wheel. NEVER over clean the Bio-Wheel cartridge if you only have one filter system on the tank. It doesn't have to spin like a top to work. As long as it's turning even a little, it will be working. It's better to clean the little holders on the side of the Bio-Wheel and it's OK to swish the Bio-Wheel around in some removed tank water but never clean it under tap or hot water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:26 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _djransome@optonlinedjra_ (mailto:djransome@...) writes: I'm not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: _Aquati_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<<WBR>mailto:unee<WBR>mailto:> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail.gmail.<WBR>_Go_ <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40169	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Don't panic any more and don't do anything without checking first. Ammo-lock works similar to Prime but it's not as good. Did you run out of Prime? I don't think you need Dr. Tim's yet. I hope by now, you've read my other messages about taking some of your gravel and putting it in your filter reservoir. The gravel will still have the good bacteria on it, you just need to get it where the water is flowing over it the most... in the filter. I think you will be OK in a day or two. I want to see a full and accurate list of test results in the morning... ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte and pH. Read/re-read the instructions to make sure you do them right. Whenever you post numbers, post ALL FOUR. Having one or two does not tell us where the cycling is at. We can proceed further once we see the numbers to know more about how your cycling is going. MAKE sure you do the NitrAte test accurately. I think there should be some kind of number showing up for that once you put some gravel in your filter. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I panicked and used ammo lock......Where can I Dr Tim overnight In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: DO NOT use Stress-Zyme or any other bottled bacteria. The only one that really works as advertised is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The others like Stress-Zyme and Cycle just make things worse in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:21 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@ao__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __amber@rose- __amber@rose-<WBR>_ambe__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@W__jan121 (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (__ma_jan1213@_ma_ja_ (mailto:_ma _jan1213@...) __ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40170	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

OK. You have the BIG Penguin with two Bio-Wheels. In the future, if you do feel that you have to over-clean part of your filter media, only work on one side at a time and only do either the cartridge or the Bio-Wheel on one side, so the other 3/Utah's stay fully cycled. Put some gravel in each side for now and that will go a long way at getting the filter fully cycled again. Test the water again in the morning and give us the numbers. Since you are using Prime or Ammo-lock, they will help keep the ammonia from being toxic but add a pinch of salt per 10G (5 small pinches of salt mixed in a cup of water and poured into the tank) and that little bit of salt (just regular table salt) will protect against nitrite poisoning if/when you start to see nitrites. Nitrates are the 3rd stage of the nitrogen cycle and they can be 30-40ppm before you need to do a PWC for them and they can even get MUCH HIGHER before they become a problem. Hopefully, by now, you read my "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" article so you won't make these mistakes again and I think your goldfish will recover from this and be fine. They are tough fish and put up with a lot more abuse than what you might have accidentally done. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have the penguin power filter. it uses 4 carbon filters as 2 wheels In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:01:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, rinsing your filter media in tap water that has chlorine/chloramine in it or hot water will kill off some/all of the bacteria. But you should still have some in the gravel. Take a handful of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir. That will help transfer the good bacteria to the filter quicker. I still haven't seen which Brand or Model but I'm guessing it's a Bio-Wheel since you mention a wheel. NEVER over clean the Bio-Wheel cartridge if you only have one filter system on the tank. It doesn't have to spin like a top to work. As long as it's turning even a little, it will be working. It's better to clean the little holders on the side of the Bio-Wheel and it's OK to swish the Bio-Wheel around in some removed tank water but never clean it under tap or hot water. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:26 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I have 0 nitrates, I know what happened last week the filter was really gunky, the wheels didn't move . so I rinsed them off probably too good In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _djransome@optonlinedjra_ (mailto:djransome@...) writes: I'm not sure you should use it at all. Wait to hear from one of the mods (Lenny, Steve, Ray, etc.). We need the nitrite reading. And try redoing the nitrate reading, but pay close attention to the instructions which say to shake the bottle vigorously for 30 seconds before doing the drops, and then shake the test tube vigorously for 60 seconds after doing the drops. Not enough shaking can cause zero readings. You should have some nitrates if the tank has been going one year. Unless you cleaned it too well recently. _____ From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquatFrom: _Aquati_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:24 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I bought stress zyme and I have a lot of questions ... how many times do I use this , do I remove filters or do I just turn off the filter do I stop feeding the fish what about water temp? thanks Janis In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@aol. <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com writes: I found out I was doing this wrong.......I found out I was doing this wrong... In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _uneekfish@gmail. <mailto:_uneekfish%mailto:_une> une_ (mailto:uneekfish@(mailto:une<<WBR>mailto:unee<WBR>mailto:> com) writes: I think you have made an error. to read the ammonia you need to add the 8 drops from the first bottle, and then 8 drops from the second bottle. Shake the tube with the cap on. or wear a latex, powder free glove with your finger over the top. Glove so you do not mess up the test with input from your finger. Wait for 5 min. and then read with the color card. Same idea for the nitrate, but you really need to shake the regents first, in fact I bang the bottle on the desk to shake up anything that might be stuck to the bottom, before I use the regents. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <__jan1213@aol.__jan (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan) _ (mailto:_jan1213@(mailto:_<mailto:_mailto:_<WBR>jama> jan_ (mailto:jan1213@ jan <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> com) ) > wrote: > > > Tested the water....... Tes > Ph (high range) 7.4 > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > Nitrate no2 0 > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > Thanks Janis > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail.gmail.<WBR>_Go_ <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol> Gol) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@(mailto:_(m<mailto:mailto:<WBRmailto:<WBR> Gol_ (mailto:GoldLenny@(mailto:Gol<<WBR>mailto:Gold<WBR>mailto:> com) ) writes: > > OK. She's not constipated if you are seeing her poop shortly after eating > and since it's the same color as her food, it sounds like her digestive > tract is in OK shape. If the poop wasn't coming out or was coming out long > and a whitish stringy color, that would not be good but goldfish poop is > supposed to come out the color of the food that went in. They have almost > no stomach so food passes through them rather quickly. This is why they > actually do better if fed smaller meals more frequently so it would not > pass > through as quickly and they could absorb more nutrients from the food. I > feed my goldfish a couple of times a day with snacks thrown in from time to > time also. > > Run all four API tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and give us all > four numbers. > > Re-read my previous post and try to give more answers to all of my other > questions. So far, I do not see a cause of your fish's problem but > something may pop up with more answers. > > Lenny Vasbinder

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40171	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

do I remove any of the filters? or just put the gravel in the filter sides? In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:16:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Don't panic any more and don't do anything without checking first. Ammo-lock works similar to Prime but it's not as good. Did you run out of Prime? I don't think you need Dr. Tim's yet. I hope by now, you've read my other messages about taking some of your gravel and putting it in your filter reservoir. The gravel will still have the good bacteria on it, you just need to get it where the water is flowing over it the most... in the filter. I think you will be OK in a day or two. I want to see a full and accurate list of test results in the morning... ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte and pH. Read/re-read the instructions to make sure you do them right. Whenever you post numbers, post ALL FOUR. Having one or two does not tell us where the cycling is at. We can proceed further once we see the numbers to know more about how your cycling is going. MAKE sure you do the NitrAte test accurately. I think there should be some kind of number showing up for that once you put some gravel in your filter. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:00 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I panicked and used ammo lock......Where can I Dr Tim overnight In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: DO NOT use Stress-Zyme or any other bottled bacteria. The only one that really works as advertised is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The others like Stress-Zyme and Cycle just make things worse in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:21 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber __jan1213@aol.__jan1213@aol__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __amber@rose- __amber@rose-<W__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) _ (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@ao_ __jan121 __jan1213@aol. __jan__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) ) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (__ma_jan1213@_ma_ja_ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...) __ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > ammonia .50 > > nitrates 0 > > what do I do now? > > > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 6:16:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __amber@rose- __amber@rose-<WBR>_ambe__ambe_<WBR>__ambe_<WBR>_ambe (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) ) <mailto:_amber%mailto:_amber%mai>_ > (mailto:__amber@ (mailto (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) _ (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai>) > <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > > > Those test bottles are supposed to be combined together in one test tube > > with water, so the Ammonia 1 and 2 would both be put into the same vial > > of water for the test... Is that what you're doing because your answers > > are very confusing for test results. > > > > Amber > > > > __jan1213@aol. __jan1213@aol.<W__jan1213@W__jan121 (mailto:__jan1213@(mailto:__jan1213@<WB__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) ) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j> > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WBR>_ (__ma_jan1213@_ (__ma_jan1213 __jan1213@aol._j_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) __ (mailto:__ma_jan1213@_ma_ja_ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...) __ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) ) ) > <mailto:ma_jan1213%mailto:ma><WBR>_ (__ma_jan1213@_ma_ja_ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...) __ (mailto:_ma_jan1213@...__ (mailto:ma_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > > <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WBR>) w > > > > > > > > > Tested the water....... Tes > > > Ph (high range) 7.4 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 1 > > > Ammonia 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no3 0 bottle 1 > > > nitrate no3 0 bottle 2 > > > Nitrate no2 0 > > > > > > Walked past her tank.......I have not fed her today..... She is up > > > swimming.... swimming....<WBR>.I t > > > could it be she just needed to empyy out? I want to watch her > > > now...should I give her a few peas of just wait till tomorrow morning? > > > Thanks Janis > > > I have also left her light out hoping the temp will lower **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40172	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Since you have four cartridges, you could put some in the reservoir behind the filter cartridges and some between the cartridges. You want the gravel rubbing on the filter floss to help transfer some of the good nitrifying bacteria. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish do I remove any of the filters? or just put the gravel in the filter sides? In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:16:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Don't panic any more and don't do anything without checking first. Ammo-lock works similar to Prime but it's not as good. Did you run out of Prime? I don't think you need Dr. Tim's yet. I hope by now, you've read my other messages about taking some of your gravel and putting it in your filter reservoir. The gravel will still have the good bacteria on it, you just need to get it where the water is flowing over it the most... in the filter. I think you will be OK in a day or two. I want to see a full and accurate list of test results in the morning... ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte and pH. Read/re-read the instructions to make sure you do them right. Whenever you post numbers, post ALL FOUR. Having one or two does not tell us where the cycling is at. We can proceed further once we see the numbers to know more about how your cycling is going. MAKE sure you do the NitrAte test accurately. I think there should be some kind of number showing up for that once you put some gravel in your filter. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:00 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I panicked and used ammo lock......Where can I Dr Tim overnight In a message dated 5/6/2009 10:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: DO NOT use Stress-Zyme or any other bottled bacteria. The only one that really works as advertised is Dr. Tim's One And Only. The others like Stress-Zyme and Cycle just make things worse in most cases. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:21 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish i did a water change today...should i do another what about stress zyme In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:18:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) writes: The prime will help detoxify the Ammonia when you do water changes, just add a little extra than what is recommended. Amber __jan1213@aol.__jan1213@aol__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) wrote: > > > > this is not a new tank........ this is this is not a new tank..... > the > ammonia now > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 7:09:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __amber@rose- __amber@rose-<W__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) ) _ (mailto:__amber@rose-_amber@ros_ (mailto:_amber@...) _ (mailto:_amber@..._ (mailto:amber@...) ) ) <mailto:amber%mailto:amber%mai> writes: > > How old is the tank? > Do one of those test kits say nitrItes instead of nitrAtes? You should > have one for nitrites I think and 2 for nitrates, double check to make > sure you didn't add all 3 of those bottles to one vial as that would > mess up the test too. > It looks like your tank is cycling still, you will need to do PWC's > daily or twice daily to keep your ammonia down, make sure you don't do > the PWC's too close together either as that can shock the fish. If you > have already done a PWC for today then do one tomorrow morning, and then > again in the evening. Fish can easily die from Ammonia poisoning at such > a high pH as yours, so you are going to want to watch your Ammonia > level's very closely and keep up on your water changes so the ammonia > doesn't get too high in the tank. > How high in the temp in the tank, I see you mentioned leaving the light > off to lower the temps? > > Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40173	From: Dora Smith	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: tank sprung a leak

If the tank is the same size and you switch everything over, I don't know why you'd have more than a minicycle if that. I didn't have a major breakdown when I upgraded from a 10 gallon tank to a 20 gallon, and I added a second power filter. I probably put some material from the old filter in each one, and I'd been using a power filter rated for a 10 to 20 gallon. I've used a prefilter layer and a bag of plastic round thingies for a long time. Of course I cleaned the gravel well. I may even have left the dirtiest water behind in the old tank after I removed the gravel. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] tank sprung a leak It would probably work, but I would be prepared for a mini-cycle as well. It is unlikely that you would need to suffer a full blown cycling doing this. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of poofliger23 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tank sprung a leak could i buy a new tank and transfer everything including my plants, decorations, substrate, filter, even the water( i know it doesn't have much beneficial bacteria, but still) from my old tank to the new tank without having to cycle the new tank? ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40174	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: My LFS & Shrimp

_Amano Shrimp, Caridina multidentata (Caridina japonica) Profile, with care, maintenance requirements and breeding information f_ (http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile83.html) More than likely the algae eating shrimp is the Amano as this is the second most common shrimp in LFS. In my experience saltwater fish are no more touchier than freshwater fish. It really depends on the reason for the algae wether or not the algae is bad or the fish. Algae can help clean the water just like plants do. I have had some tanks with either algae or java moss on the glass for fish such as licorice gouramies that can be skittish. The algae can mean poor water quality but it depends on it is algae or aquatic plants. I have had java moss grow on aquarium glass and it starts of looking like algae. Joey **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40175	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need I need I need to order for overn fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40176	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

OK. If those test results were done before the 25% PWC, then the PWC should have lowered the ammonia level to 0.75ppm. If this presumption is correct, then you could do another PWC in a couple of hours but it's not mandatory since you are using Ammo-Lock so your test kit will still show an ammonia reading but that ammonia is in a non-toxic form. Make sure you add a pinch of salt per 10G of any water replaced during your PWC's. In the event you start to see a nitrIte level, the salt will protect the fish from nitrIte poisoning. How is your goldfish doing? Any better? Keeping the light off is OK if you do not have live plants, which I think you said you do not. Since you have a test kit and you are there to do PWC's as needed, it's OK to feed her, just don't go overboard. The majority of the ammonia from a goldfish tank do not come from the poop, but rather from gill function and urine... unless the tank, gravel and filter is not properly maintained and then the excess detritus in the gravel and filter will start to break down and put out ammonia also. The NO3 test result needs to be re-done since 1.0 is NOT one of the scales/colors on the NitrAte test kit card. It goes from 0 to 5 to 10, etc. If it was supposed to be 10.0ppm, then that is a good sign since that means your tank is cycling. Re-test the NitrAte test kit now and let us know if it was 10.0 or what??? I'm hoping it was 10.0 and if your previous tests were accurately showing 0.0ppm, then that would mean the gravel in the filter is starting to work. Before doing your next PWC, re-test the tank water for all tests and let us know the before and after PWC test results. While you are doing all of this testing, now would also be a good time to learn your tap water baseline. See my blog article about doing this 48 hour test. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need I need I need to order for overn fish in it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40177	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

yes, those were the readings before the PWC, she looks better still not as active I do have plants, so I need to turn the light on? yes it was 10.0. In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:01:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. If those test results were done before the 25% PWC, then the PWC should have lowered the ammonia level to 0.75ppm. If this presumption is correct, then you could do another PWC in a couple of hours but it's not mandatory since you are using Ammo-Lock so your test kit will still show an ammonia reading but that ammonia is in a non-toxic form. Make sure you add a pinch of salt per 10G of any water replaced during your PWC's. In the event you start to see a nitrIte level, the salt will protect the fish from nitrIte poisoning. How is your goldfish doing? Any better? Keeping the light off is OK if you do not have live plants, which I think you said you do not. Since you have a test kit and you are there to do PWC's as needed, it's OK to feed her, just don't go overboard. The majority of the ammonia from a goldfish tank do not come from the poop, but rather from gill function and urine... unless the tank, gravel and filter is not properly maintained and then the excess detritus in the gravel and filter will start to break down and put out ammonia also. The NO3 test result needs to be re-done since 1.0 is NOT one of the scales/colors on the NitrAte test kit card. It goes from 0 to 5 to 10, etc. If it was supposed to be 10.0ppm, then that is a good sign since that means your tank is cycling. Re-test the NitrAte test kit now and let us know if it was 10.0 or what??? I'm hoping it was 10.0 and if your previous tests were accurately showing 0.0ppm, then that would mean the gravel in the filter is starting to work. Before doing your next PWC, re-test the tank water for all tests and let us know the before and after PWC test results. While you are doing all of this testing, now would also be a good time to learn your tap water baseline. See my blog article about doing this 48 hour test. _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht) ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40178	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

I added Prime with my PWC should I have used AmmLock everytime I PWC In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:01:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. If those test results were done before the 25% PWC, then the PWC should have lowered the ammonia level to 0.75ppm. If this presumption is correct, then you could do another PWC in a couple of hours but it's not mandatory since you are using Ammo-Lock so your test kit will still show an ammonia reading but that ammonia is in a non-toxic form. Make sure you add a pinch of salt per 10G of any water replaced during your PWC's. In the event you start to see a nitrIte level, the salt will protect the fish from nitrIte poisoning. How is your goldfish doing? Any better? Keeping the light off is OK if you do not have live plants, which I think you said you do not. Since you have a test kit and you are there to do PWC's as needed, it's OK to feed her, just don't go overboard. The majority of the ammonia from a goldfish tank do not come from the poop, but rather from gill function and urine... unless the tank, gravel and filter is not properly maintained and then the excess detritus in the gravel and filter will start to break down and put out ammonia also. The NO3 test result needs to be re-done since 1.0 is NOT one of the scales/colors on the NitrAte test kit card. It goes from 0 to 5 to 10, etc. If it was supposed to be 10.0ppm, then that is a good sign since that means your tank is cycling. Re-test the NitrAte test kit now and let us know if it was 10.0 or what??? I'm hoping it was 10.0 and if your previous tests were accurately showing 0.0ppm, then that would mean the gravel in the filter is starting to work. Before doing your next PWC, re-test the tank water for all tests and let us know the before and after PWC test results. While you are doing all of this testing, now would also be a good time to learn your tap water baseline. See my blog article about doing this 48 hour test. _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.ht) ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40179	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

Yes, with live plants, they need some lighting. Maybe just go 4-6 hours a day instead of the 8-10 you might have been doing. This will give the plants some of what they need while still giving the fish some lower stress less-lighting time. Of course, that's if the fish is still showing signs of stress. I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:07 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim yes, those were the readings before the PWC, she looks better still not as active I do have plants, so I need to turn the light on? yes it was 10.0. In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:01:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. If those test results were done before the 25% PWC, then the PWC should have lowered the ammonia level to 0.75ppm. If this presumption is correct, then you could do another PWC in a couple of hours but it's not mandatory since you are using Ammo-Lock so your test kit will still show an ammonia reading but that ammonia is in a non-toxic form. Make sure you add a pinch of salt per 10G of any water replaced during your PWC's. In the event you start to see a nitrIte level, the salt will protect the fish from nitrIte poisoning. How is your goldfish doing? Any better? Keeping the light off is OK if you do not have live plants, which I think you said you do not. Since you have a test kit and you are there to do PWC's as needed, it's OK to feed her, just don't go overboard. The majority of the ammonia from a goldfish tank do not come from the poop, but rather from gill function and urine... unless the tank, gravel and filter is not properly maintained and then the excess detritus in the gravel and filter will start to break down and put out ammonia also. The NO3 test result needs to be re-done since 1.0 is NOT one of the scales/colors on the NitrAte test kit card. It goes from 0 to 5 to 10, etc. If it was supposed to be 10.0ppm, then that is a good sign since that means your tank is cycling. Re-test the NitrAte test kit now and let us know if it was 10.0 or what??? I'm hoping it was 10.0 and if your previous tests were accurately showing 0.0ppm, then that would mean the gravel in the filter is starting to work. Before doing your next PWC, re-test the tank water for all tests and let us know the before and after PWC test results. While you are doing all of this testing, now would also be a good time to learn your tap water baseline. See my blog article about doing this 48 hour test. _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h t) ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40180	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

I would use either one or the other. They may be safe to mix but I just do not know. In the future, it's best to NOT mix chemicals unless you know for certain they are safe to mix. API reports on their website that all of their products have been tested together but since Prime is from SeaChem and Ammo-lock is from API, I just don't think they've been tested together. They both claim to do basically the same thing so you only need one or the other when you do your PWC's. Just use one of them (the older of the two) till you run out, then start using the other one till that runs out, then you can go back to using a plain and simple dechlor. Once you run out of Prime and Ammo-lock, I like and would suggest getting API's Tap Water Conditioner as it's much less expensive than either Prime or Ammo-lock and it's more concentrated than many of the other dechlor products so you get a lot more treatment value. How is the fish? You never answered some of my questions in my previous reply (below) either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I added Prime with my PWC should I have used AmmLock everytime I PWC In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:01:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. If those test results were done before the 25% PWC, then the PWC should have lowered the ammonia level to 0.75ppm. If this presumption is correct, then you could do another PWC in a couple of hours but it's not mandatory since you are using Ammo-Lock so your test kit will still show an ammonia reading but that ammonia is in a non-toxic form. Make sure you add a pinch of salt per 10G of any water replaced during your PWC's. In the event you start to see a nitrIte level, the salt will protect the fish from nitrIte poisoning. How is your goldfish doing? Any better? Keeping the light off is OK if you do not have live plants, which I think you said you do not. Since you have a test kit and you are there to do PWC's as needed, it's OK to feed her, just don't go overboard. The majority of the ammonia from a goldfish tank do not come from the poop, but rather from gill function and urine... unless the tank, gravel and filter is not properly maintained and then the excess detritus in the gravel and filter will start to break down and put out ammonia also. The NO3 test result needs to be re-done since 1.0 is NOT one of the scales/colors on the NitrAte test kit card. It goes from 0 to 5 to 10, etc. If it was supposed to be 10.0ppm, then that is a good sign since that means your tank is cycling. Re-test the NitrAte test kit now and let us know if it was 10.0 or what??? I'm hoping it was 10.0 and if your previous tests were accurately showing 0.0ppm, then that would mean the gravel in the filter is starting to work. Before doing your next PWC, re-test the tank water for all tests and let us know the before and after PWC test results. While you are doing all of this testing, now would also be a good time to learn your tap water baseline. See my blog article about doing this 48 hour test. _http://goldlenny.http://gohttp://gohttp://goldlehttp://goldhttp://goldlennh t_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/05/find-your-tap-source-water-baseline.h t) ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:43 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40181	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

just did test again Ph high 7.4 ammonia .50 no2 0 no3 5.0 doing another 25% PWC she a little more active looks better I know I need to fill in the blanks for your questions , I will send later In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:27:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: How is the fish? You never answered some of my questions in my previous reply (below) either. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40182	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

In a message dated 5/6/2009 3:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: this was yesterday There has been a big improvement.... Temperature: 78 Tank size: 46g Tank inhabitants (number and type of fish or other aquatic life):just her Water change amount and when the last one was done: yesterday Filter maintenance and what exactly did you do:Penguin power filter How long the tank has been set up: SINCE LAST JUNE Water or filter additives or pH adjusters used: PRIME DECLOR Recent (within 2 weeks) changes or additions to the tank: ADDED PALANTS WE pwc EVERY 2 WEEKS SOMETIMES ONEC A WEEK, WE USUALLY CHANGE 2 OF THE FILTERS PER WATER CHANGE Full description of the problem you have been having, including any odd behavior of the inhabitants or appearance of the tank or inhabitants.beha common examples are: she is not as active she sits on bottom, last night she did attempt to swim around but she looks like she had a hard time swimming up Fish behavior- separating from school just her hiding yes breathing rapidly I don't think so hanging at surface no sitting on bottom yes having difficulty swimming a little scraping body on ornaments/plants/scraping body on ornaments/plants/ Fish appearance- pale or different in color (describe) no raised spots/tufts of cottony material/cloudy patches on skin no fins fraying no chunks missing from fins no open sores no bent spine no Tank appearance- whitish cloudy water yes the water has gotten cloudy. we did a 25 water change yeaterday greenish cloudy water no excessive algae (specify color) no we add more plants to her tank, she eats them **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40183	From: Jimmy McHaney	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

Since 7.4 is the lowest reading on the high pH test kit are you double checking it with the low pH kit to make sure of the pH? Sent from my iPod Jimmy On May 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, jan1213@... wrote: ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need I need I need to order for overn fish in it? **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40184	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

did test again, this is before the PWC this time I just ammonia and no3 ammonia .50 no 3 was between 10 and 5.0 did partial water change again In a message dated 5/7/2009 1:44:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Since 7.4 is the lowest reading on the high pH test kit are you double checking it with the low pH kit to make sure of the pH? Sent from my iPod Jimmy On May 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it? ************************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a flori (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40185	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

thanks I will do this too In a message dated 5/7/2009 1:44:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mchaneyjm@... writes: Since 7.4 is the lowest reading on the high pH test kit are you double checking it with the low pH kit to make sure of the pH? Sent from my iPod Jimmy On May 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need to order for overnight...<WBR>I need fish in it? ************************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a flori (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] overflow: hidden; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: bold; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40186	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim

Good catch Jimmy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:04 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim Since 7.4 is the lowest reading on the high pH test kit are you double checking it with the low pH kit to make sure of the pH? Sent from my iPod Jimmy On May 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, jan1213@... wrote: ph high range 7.4 ammonia 1.0 no2 0 no3 1.0 Id a 25% water change this morning will recheck levels in 2 hours should I keep the light off and should I feed her In a message dated 5/6/2009 11:04:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Yes, if you go to my blog page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top is a good article on Cycling With Fish. With only a single goldfish, albeit a decent sized one, in a 46G tank and since your gravel should still be cycled, if you take some of the gravel and put it in the filter reservoir, I think you will recover your nitrogen cycle in your filter without the need to do anything drastic. Just test the tank and whenever the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm, do a 25% PWC or two 25% PWC's, one every two hours, to get the levels back down. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again need source for dr tim I need to order for overnight...I need I need I need to order for overn fish in it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40187	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!! **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40188	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40189	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!! **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40190	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get sick. It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't see it. Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. Keep the Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test kit. Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank should be prior to a PWC. I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/gravel cleaning, you will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40191	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

did a water test again no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous doing a PWC again (in progress) I have a concern I am stressing her out would it be a good idea to wait til tomorrow morning before doing another PWC (checking levels 1st) In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get sick. It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't see it. Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. Keep the Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test kit. Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399) For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank should be prior to a PWC. I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these basics and the will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!! **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40192	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I know that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are climbing like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your nitrogen cycle is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What about NitrItes??? You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia or nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between 0.25 and 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next day or two, they will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a fully cycled tank... BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are staying at 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on them that past two times you posted test results. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a water test again no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous doing a PWC again (in progress) I have a concern I am stressing her out would it be a good idea to wait til tomorrow morning before doing another PWC (checking levels 1st) In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get sick. It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't see it. Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. Keep the Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test kit. Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399) For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank should be prior to a PWC. I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these basics and the will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40193	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I think we've asked for nitrite levels at least several times, I think she's a little confused about which test vial is the nitrite test vial, I think you said it's the NO2, right Lenny? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The > NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I know > that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are climbing > like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your nitrogen cycle > is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What about NitrItes??? > > You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one > tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these > "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia or > nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between 0.25 and > 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next day or > two, they > will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a fully cycled tank... > BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are > staying at > 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on them that past > two times you posted test results. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a water test again > no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier > ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous > doing a PWC again (in progress) > I have a concern I am stressing her out > would it be a good idea to wait til tomorrow morning before doing another > PWC (checking levels 1st) > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. > The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably > consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bouncing > around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get > stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get > sick. > > It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH > level is > an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just > about > every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized > fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just > to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have > to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the > bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH > level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too > low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a > deadly condition. > > The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at > PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't > see it. > Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which > includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of > your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every > year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. > Keep the > Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test > kit. > > Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only > $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. > _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ > <http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_> > (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 > <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399>) > > For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH > (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank > should be prior to a PWC. > > I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn > these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these basics and the > will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your > fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly > than preventing it in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > > On > Behalf Of _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of > the tank, water test for a Comet? > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) writes: > > OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is > OK and > since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap > water > has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline > test > to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the > color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both > pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. > > I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL > four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then > you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with > the > pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. > > I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to > maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, > then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. > > While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep > using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a > pinch > of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) _ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) ) > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a third test today > ammonia between 0.25/0.50 > no3 5.0 > ph 6.6 > ph high range 7.4 > and did another water change > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) _ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) ) writes: > > I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests > were > accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had > previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test > results > were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is > GOOD!!! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40194	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

Yes, but NitrIte's chemical symbol is actually NO2-, with the minus sign behind the 2. I think when folks see the NO2- in the various literature, they think the minus sign is a hyphen. NO2 would be Nitrogen Dioxide... much like CO2 is Carbon Dioxide. OK.. that's all the petty chemistry I'm doing tonight. LOL Here's more reading about Nitrite... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrite Oops... while we're on the subject of chemistry, I should also clarify that NitrAte is actually NO3-, with the minus sign behind the 3. While using NitrIte and NitrAte can be confusing, IMO, using NO2- and NO3- can be just as confusing if folks do not know what the chemical symbols mean in common names. While experienced fish keepers will realize what someone is talking about when they refer to NO2 or NO3 in their test results, a newbie might not want to ask and then Google the NO2 or NO3 and think we are talking about Nitrogen Dioxide or Nitrogen Trioxide. Using the minus signs are just as important as referring to pH as pH and not Ph or ph or PH. The pH (lower case p, upper case H) means a very specific thing... the "power of Hydrogen". OK.. now I'm really done with my petty chemistry lesson. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I think we've asked for nitrite levels at least several times, I think she's a little confused about which test vial is the nitrite test vial, I think you said it's the NO2, right Lenny? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The > NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I > know that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are > climbing like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your > nitrogen cycle is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What about NitrItes??? > > You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one > tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these > "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia > or nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between > 0.25 and 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next > day or two, they will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a > fully cycled tank... > BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are > staying at 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on > them that past two times you posted test results. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a water test again > no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier > ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous > doing a PWC again (in progress) > I have a concern I am stressing her out would it be a good idea to > wait til tomorrow morning before doing another PWC (checking levels > 1st) > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. > The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably > consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., > bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when > fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more > likely to get sick. > > It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH > level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks > and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A > single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" > goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank > maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" > goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important > that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain > the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, > causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. > > The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at > PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't > see it. > Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 > which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on > some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test > kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. > Keep the > Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate > test kit. > > Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for > only > $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. > _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ > <http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_> > (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 > <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399>) > > For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH > (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank > should be prior to a PWC. > > I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you > learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these > basics and the will see much better tank conditions and less chance of > sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well > is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > > On > Behalf Of _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe > level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) writes: > > OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is > OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means > your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the > 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test > kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the > high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline > testing. > > I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do > ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled > and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just > keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. > > I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to > maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting > funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. > > While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, > keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, > including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you > do PWC's. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ > <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ > <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>) ) (Links to any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife > @Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) _ > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) ) > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: > _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a third test today > ammonia between 0.25/0.50 > no3 5.0 > ph 6.6 > ph high range 7.4 > and did another water change > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) _ > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) ) writes: > > I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests > were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you > had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier > test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle > again... which is GOOD!!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40195	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

Well thank you Lenny, more info than I ever could have wanted right at my fingertips ;) LOL I'll keep that all in mind, who knows how long I'll manage to remember it all. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Yes, but NitrIte's chemical symbol is actually NO2-, with the minus sign > behind the 2. I think when folks see the NO2- in the various literature, > they think the minus sign is a hyphen. NO2 would be Nitrogen Dioxide... > much like CO2 is Carbon Dioxide. OK.. that's all the petty chemistry I'm > doing tonight. LOL > > Here's more reading about Nitrite... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrite > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrite> > > Oops... while we're on the subject of chemistry, I should also clarify > that > NitrAte is actually NO3-, with the minus sign behind the 3. While using > NitrIte and NitrAte can be confusing, IMO, using NO2- and NO3- can be just > as confusing if folks do not know what the chemical symbols mean in common > names. While experienced fish keepers will realize what someone is talking > about when they refer to NO2 or NO3 in their test results, a newbie might > not want to ask and then Google the NO2 or NO3 and think we are talking > about Nitrogen Dioxide or Nitrogen Trioxide. > > Using the minus signs are just as important as referring to pH as pH > and not > Ph or ph or PH. The pH (lower case p, upper case H) means a very specific > thing... the "power of Hydrogen". > > OK.. now I'm really done with my petty chemistry lesson. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > I think we've asked for nitrite levels at least several times, I think > she's > a little confused about which test vial is the nitrite test vial, I think > you said it's the NO2, right Lenny? > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The > > NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I > > know that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are > > climbing like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your > > nitrogen cycle is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What > about NitrItes??? > > > > You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one > > tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these > > "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia > > or nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between > > 0.25 and 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next > > day or two, they will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a > > fully cycled tank... > > BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are > > staying at 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on > > them that past two times you posted test results. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of jan1213@... > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > > > did a water test again > > no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier > > ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous > > doing a PWC again (in progress) > > I have a concern I am stressing her out would it be a good idea to > > wait til tomorrow morning before doing another PWC (checking levels > > 1st) > > > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most > fish. > > The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably > > consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., > > bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when > > fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more > > likely to get sick. > > > > It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH > > level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks > > and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A > > single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" > > goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank > > maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" > > goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important > > that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain > > the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, > > causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. > > > > The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at > > PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't > > see it. > > Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 > > which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on > > some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test > > kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good > time. > > Keep the > > Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate > > test kit. > > > > Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for > > only > > $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. > > _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ > <http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_> > > <http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ > <http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_>> > > (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 > <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399> > > <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399 > <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399>>) > > > > For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH > > (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank > > should be prior to a PWC. > > > > I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you > > learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these > > basics and the will see much better tank conditions and less chance of > > sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well > > is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_> > > <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ <http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_>> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>) > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ] > > > > On > > Behalf Of _jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) > > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM > > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > > > I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe > > level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > _GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) writes: > > > > OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is > > OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means > > your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the > > 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test > > kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the > > high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline > > testing. > > > > I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do > > ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled > > and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just > > keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. > > > > I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to > > maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting > > funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. > > > > While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, > > keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, > > including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you > > do PWC's. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_> > > <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ <http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_>> > (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_> > > <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_ <http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_>>) > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_> > > <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ <http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_>> > (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/> > > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/ <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>>) ) > (Links to any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > > [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife > > @Aqu_ > > > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) ] > > > > On > > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@... > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> > > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>) _ > > (mailto:_jan1213@... <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan> > <mailto:_jan1213%40aol.jan>_ > > (mailto:jan1213@... <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com> > <mailto:jan1213%40aol.com>) ) > > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM > > To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: > > _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ > > (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > > > did a third test today > > ammonia between 0.25/0.50 > > no3 5.0 > > ph 6.6 > > ph high range 7.4 > > and did another water change > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@... > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> > > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>) _ > > (mailto:_GoldLenny@... <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol> > <mailto:_GoldLenny%40gmail.Gol>_ > > (mailto:GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>) ) writes: > > > > I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests > > were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you > > had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier > > test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle > > again... which is GOOD!!! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40196	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish help again

I got it now In a message dated 5/7/2009 11:22:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: I think we've asked for nitrite levels at least several times, I think she's a little confused about which test vial is the nitrite test vial, I think you said it's the NO2, right Lenny? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The > NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I know > that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are climbing > like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your nitrogen cycle > is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What about NitrItes??? > > You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one > tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these > "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia or > nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between 0.25 and > 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next day or > two, they > will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a fully cycled tank... > BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are > staying at > 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on them that past > two times you posted test results. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>] On > Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM > To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a water test again > no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier > ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous > doing a PWC again (in progress) > I have a concern I am stressing her out > would it be a good idea to wait til tomorrow morning before doing another > PWC (checking levels 1st) > > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. > The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably > consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bounc ing > around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get > stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get > sick. > > It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH > level is > an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just > about > every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized > fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just > to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have > to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the > bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH > level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too > low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a > deadly condition. > > The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at > PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't > see it. > Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which > includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of > your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every > year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. > Keep the > Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test > kit. > > Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only > $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. > __http://www.walmart.http://www.http://www.whttp://www.http://w_ (http://www.walmart.http//www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_) > <_http://www.walmart.http://www.http://www.whttp://www.http://w_ (http://www.walmart.http//www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_) > > (_http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399) > <_http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399) >) > > For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH > (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank > should be prior to a PWC. > > I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn > these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/ these basics and th > will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your > fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly > than preventing it in the first place. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _ From > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mailto:_ > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _Aquati To: _Aquatic_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of > the tank, water test for a Comet? > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) wr > > OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is > OK and > since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap > water > has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline > test > to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the > color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both > pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. > > I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL > four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then > you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with > the > pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. > > I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to > maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, > then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. > > While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep > using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a > pinch > of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > <_http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) >) > (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) <_http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) > > (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) <_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) >) ) > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: _AquaticLife@ From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _ Fro > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > [mailto:_AquaticLif [mai [mailto: [mailto:_Aq [mailto:_ [mai > > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) ] > > On > Behalf Of __jan1213@aol. Behalf Of ____jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) > <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><WB > (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) <mailto:_jan1213%mailto:_j><W > (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) <mailto:jan1213%mailto:ja><WB > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM > To: _AquaticLife@ To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquaticTo: To: _AquaticLi To: > (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:AquaticLifemailto:AquaticLmai>) ) > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again > > did a third test today > ammonia between 0.25/0.50 > no3 5.0 > ph 6.6 > ph high range 7.4 > and did another water change > > In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > __GoldLenny@ __GoldLenny@<WBR>g__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) > <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><WB > (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) <mailto:_GoldLenny%mailto:_Gol><W > (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold><WBR>) ) wr > > I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests > were > accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had > previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test > results > were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is > GOOD!!! > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40197	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish

Did water test this morning ammonia 0.25 no3 10 no2 0 ph High range 7.4 I am doing another PWC this morning all looks better I cannot thank you all enough for all the help. Janis **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40198	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

Janis you should be testing with the low range pH I think, you had a very different pH result when you tested with the low range, and the high range pH test chart you're at the very bottom of so I don't think you need to use that one unless the low range pH shows the max when you test on that card/bottles. My pH is in the 6's and I've never had to use the high range pH test chart/bottles at all and probably never will, if you have water somewhere in the middle you may have to use the high range pH at some point, but since your low range pH test last read at 6.6 (I think) you may want to stick with using just those bottles and chart instead of the high range ones. Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > > Did water test this morning > ammonia 0.25 > no3 10 > no2 0 > ph High range 7.4 > I am doing another PWC this morning > all looks better > I cannot thank you all enough for all the help. Janis > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you > now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40199	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

thanks In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:29:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: Janis you should be testing with the low range pH I think, you had a very different pH result when you tested with the low range, and the high range pH test chart you're at the very bottom of so I don't think you need to use that one unless the low range pH shows the max when you test on that card/bottles. My pH is in the 6's and I've never had to use the high range pH test chart/bottles at all and probably never will, if you have water somewhere in the middle you may have to use the high range pH at some point, but since your low range pH test last read at 6.6 (I think) you may want to stick with using just those bottles and chart instead of the high range ones. Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > > Did water test this morning > ammonia 0.25 > no3 10 > no2 0 > ph High range 7.4 > I am doing another PWC this morning > all looks better > I cannot thank you all enough for all the help. Janis > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a > now. > (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > <_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) >) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40200	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

You can probably slow down or stop doing PWC's, except for your weekly tank maintenance (or more frequently if you choose). You do not have to be overly concerned about your low ammonia level. Only do a PWC is the ammonia or nitrites get to 1.0ppm. AND REMEMBER TO USE THE LOW RANGE pH TEST. Since the low range test only showed 6.6 pH, your high range pH test kit will be ineffective at giving you an accurate reading since it will only show the lowest range on the card which is 7.4. It would still be a good idea to do your 48 hour tap water baseline just so you and we can see what your tap water is like to see if it's changing dramatically once it gets into your tank. This is important to know, especially if the pH is changing dramatically as that could change the way you do your PWC's. Also, we would learn if you have chlorine or chloramine and how much ammonia is released when you add your dechlor. This way, you won't be alarmed if you get a low level ammonia reading after doing a PWC. I could get up to 0.125ppm of ammonia when I do my PWC's due to the chloramine in my tap water but that 0.125ppm is almost immediately converted to nitrite, then nitrate by the running filters as I'm refilling the tank from my Python Water Change System. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:50 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did water test this morning ammonia 0.25 no3 10 no2 0 ph High range 7.4 I am doing another PWC this morning all looks better I cannot thank you all enough for all the help. Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40201	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough or tomorrow. I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40202	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Dried starfish question

Okay a friend gave me a bag of shells and inside was also a dried up starfish (tiny one), if I put this into a freshwater tank I would assume it's going to degrade into nothing eventually, is this correct? Gosh I don't even know what starfish are made up of ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40203	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

Lady with all due respect, if this happens to be a red-tail catfish, I would not even put him in with the angles, unless they are really large. Large being over a mouthful!   Bill --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;) To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:04 PM So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough or tomorrow. I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40204	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

Yes he is, and I didn't know what I was being talked into at the LFS until I got home with him. He is thankfully a baby and can't fit much into his mouth yet ;). My angels are nearly full grown at this point (4 inches or so with fins). So yes, they are really large compared to his mouth ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Lady with all due respect, if this happens to be a red-tail catfish, I > would not even put him in with the angles, unless they are really large. > Large being over a mouthful! > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel > fish ;) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:04 PM > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my > angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's > all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL > Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish > while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he > wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's > definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough > or tomorrow. > I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets > a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for > about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of > it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40205	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

Well either get him back to the LPS or try not to grow to fond of those angels! When you put him in a 55 he will grow like a weed. They are beautiful fish to watch BUT........ Bill --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:33 PM > Yes he is, and I didn't know what I > was being talked into at the LFS > until I got home with him. > He is thankfully a baby and can't fit much into his mouth > yet ;). My > angels are nearly full grown at this point (4 inches or so > with fins). > So yes, they are really large compared to his mouth ;) > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Lady with all due respect, if this happens to be a > red-tail catfish, I > > would not even put him in with the angles, unless they > are really large. > > Large being over a mouthful! > >  > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my > "nasty" angel > > fish ;) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:04 PM > > > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit > from walmart) for my > > angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives > away since that's > > all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) > LOL > > Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on > one of my fish > > while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the > sinking wafers he > > wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, > LOL), so he's > > definitely going back either tonight if I get off of > work early enough > > or tomorrow. > > I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for > now until he gets > > a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm > sure. I've had him for > > about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all > from the looks of > > it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, > guppy's, and rams ;) > > > > Amber > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was > re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of unsubscribing, > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on > "Edit My > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to > receive the digest, > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single > email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > for the No E-Mail option > > where you will still be able to read messages on the > group and post > > replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to > receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40206	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

He would have already grown like a weed, he's been in the 125 gallon for almost a month, and oddly enough I've only lost 3 fish (guppy's) so far ;) Guess he's not that good of a hunter, LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Well either get him back to the LPS or try not to grow to fond > of those angels! When you put him in a 55 he will grow like a > weed. They are beautiful fish to watch BUT........ > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" > angel fish ;) > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:33 PM > > Yes he is, and I didn't know what I > > was being talked into at the LFS > > until I got home with him. > > He is thankfully a baby and can't fit much into his mouth > > yet ;). My > > angels are nearly full grown at this point (4 inches or so > > with fins). > > So yes, they are really large compared to his mouth ;) > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady with all due respect, if this happens to be a > > red-tail catfish, I > > > would not even put him in with the angles, unless they > > are really large. > > > Large being over a mouthful! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my > > "nasty" angel > > > fish ;) > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:04 PM > > > > > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit > > from walmart) for my > > > angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives > > away since that's > > > all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) > > LOL > > > Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on > > one of my fish > > > while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the > > sinking wafers he > > > wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, > > LOL), so he's > > > definitely going back either tonight if I get off of > > work early enough > > > or tomorrow. > > > I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for > > now until he gets > > > a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm > > sure. I've had him for > > > about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all > > from the looks of > > > it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, > > guppy's, and rams ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > > is NOT > > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message > > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was > > re: old subject)" <- > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > > of unsubscribing, > > > you can change your delivery option by clicking on > > "Edit My > > > Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to > > receive the digest, > > > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single > > email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option > > > where you will still be able to read messages on the > > group and post > > > replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to > > receive individual > > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40207	From: bill1433	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

YET! Give him a chance lady. Catfish are slow learners but when they catch on to something look out! Bill --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;) > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:45 PM > He would have already grown like a > weed, he's been in the 125 gallon for > almost a month, and oddly enough I've only lost 3 fish > (guppy's) so far > ;) Guess he's not that good of a hunter, LOL. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Well either get him back to the LPS or try not to grow > to fond > > of those angels! When you put him in a 55 he will grow > like a > > weed. They are beautiful fish to watch BUT........ > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming > soon for my "nasty" > > angel fish ;) > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:33 PM > > > Yes he is, and I didn't know what I > > > was being talked into at the LFS > > > until I got home with him. > > > He is thankfully a baby and can't fit much into > his mouth > > > yet ;). My > > > angels are nearly full grown at this point (4 > inches or so > > > with fins). > > > So yes, they are really large compared to his > mouth ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lady with all due respect, if this happens > to be a > > > red-tail catfish, I > > > > would not even put him in with the angles, > unless they > > > are really large. > > > > Large being over a mouthful! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming > soon for my > > > "nasty" angel > > > > fish ;) > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:04 PM > > > > > > > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 > gallon kit > > > from walmart) for my > > > > angel fish so I can let them happily breed > their lives > > > away since that's > > > > all they seem to want to do in my water > parameters ;) > > > LOL > > > > Also I caught the monster catfish trying to > munch on > > > one of my fish > > > > while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want > the > > > sinking wafers he > > > > wanted the fish that was eating the sinking > wafers, > > > LOL), so he's > > > > definitely going back either tonight if I > get off of > > > work early enough > > > > or tomorrow. > > > > I suppose I could throw him in with the > angel fish for > > > now until he gets > > > > a little bigger, but that won't take him > long I'm > > > sure. I've had him for > > > > about a month so far and he hasn't grown > much at all > > > from the looks of > > > > it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40208	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

You know you need to get rid of him. The sooner the better. If you keep him too long, your LFS might not want to take him back... and a 5,000G tank isn't going to fit in your Condo, nor would the construction of your building support it. Will the Condos let you take over the pool? LOL ;-) The other thing is that you possibly mis-identified him. Were you ever able to find out from you LFS what it is that they bought? Maybe there's a dwarf catfish that looks just like the Redtailed Catfish that you think you now have. Congrats on the new 55G. Your Angelfish will enjoy that and when they lay their eggs, you can simply put a divider in to keep them from eating the eggs/fry until they learn to be better parents. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;) So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough or tomorrow. I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40209	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question

Dead Starfish, even if dried, are still dead starfish. It's no different than if you put a dried/cured dead fish in your tank. Yes, it will un-dry and then start to deteriorate, fouling your water. There may be a way to seal a dead starfish/fish inside of some kind of acrylic to where it would be water-proof and then it might be OK. A dead starfish is not like a piece of coral where the organisms that built the coral have died and all that's left is the calcium carbonate structure where the organisms live. If you really want a starfish decoration in your tank, it would probably be easier to buy a plastic or ceramic starfish though. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Dried starfish question Okay a friend gave me a bag of shells and inside was also a dried up starfish (tiny one), if I put this into a freshwater tank I would assume it's going to degrade into nothing eventually, is this correct? Gosh I don't even know what starfish are made up of ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40210	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

Maybe they aren't but their babies will sure make a tasty snack if you're putting them in there to breed. ;-) Janet http://www.ironwoodkennel.com Yes he is, and I didn't know what I was being talked into at the LFS until I got home with him. He is thankfully a baby and can't fit much into his mouth yet ;). My angels are nearly full grown at this point (4 inches or so with fins). So yes, they are really large compared to his mouth ;) Amber ._._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40211	From: darlene	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

But Amber don’t you know platies, guppies and rams are just such absolutely succulent treats !!!! LOLOLOL BTW my platies had babies and my betta, I am certain had a wonderful snack of fresh platie frys there are only 7 babies in the tank that I can see. I got my new 48 gallon tank today and will set it up this weekend : ) Darlene From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: 8 mai 2009 18:05 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;) So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough or tomorrow. I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40212	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

I don't think he's mis-identified as they had him labeled "red tailed catfish" at the LFS, but I could be wrong I suppose.... He certainly looks like one to me. I want to bring him back but this week has been way too hectic and I've not been off of work in time to get to the LFS let alone go home and fish out the catfish first ;) Mom dropped off the 55 today so now I just need to get it set up and get some media out of my other cycled filters to get it going, oh... and more pea gravel first, another thing to do ;) And we don't have a condo pool, too bad cuz it might be exciting to toss a fish in to see what people would do, but I'm sure they would mind if I put a bunch of Prime in their pool first ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > You know you need to get rid of him. The sooner the better. If you keep > him too long, your LFS might not want to take him back... and a 5,000G > tank > isn't going to fit in your Condo, nor would the construction of your > building support it. Will the Condos let you take over the pool? LOL ;-) > > The other thing is that you possibly mis-identified him. Were you ever > able > to find out from you LFS what it is that they bought? Maybe there's a > dwarf > catfish that looks just like the Redtailed Catfish that you think you now > have. > > Congrats on the new 55G. Your Angelfish will enjoy that and when they lay > their eggs, you can simply put a divider in to keep them from eating the > eggs/fry until they learn to be better parents. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:05 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel > fish ;) > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my > angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since > that's all > they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL Also I caught the > monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish while I was feeding the > tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he wanted the fish that was eating > the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's definitely going back either tonight > if I > get off of work early enough or tomorrow. > I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets a > little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for > about > a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of it. I > just > want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40213	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question

Okay I figured as much, I didn't put it in the tank just because I didn't want anything to happen without knowing first ;) Thanks, Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Dead Starfish, even if dried, are still dead starfish. It's no different > than if you put a dried/cured dead fish in your tank. Yes, it will un-dry > and then start to deteriorate, fouling your water. There may be a way to > seal a dead starfish/fish inside of some kind of acrylic to where it would > be water-proof and then it might be OK. A dead starfish is not like a > piece > of coral where the organisms that built the coral have died and all that's > left is the calcium carbonate structure where the organisms live. If you > really want a starfish decoration in your tank, it would probably be > easier > to buy a plastic or ceramic starfish though. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Dried starfish question > > Okay a friend gave me a bag of shells and inside was also a dried up > starfish (tiny one), if I put this into a freshwater tank I would assume > it's going to degrade into nothing eventually, is this correct? > Gosh I don't even know what starfish are made up of ;) LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40214	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel fish ;)

Oh I'm sure they are, my angelfish certainly like 'em ;) LOL. I've only found 1 platy fry and it was in my filter, not even sure if it made it through as I haven't seen it in the 10 gallon fry tank lately, perhaps it's hiding in the plants somewhere. Grats on the tank, Amber darlene wrote: > > > But Amber don’t you know platies, guppies and rams are just such > absolutely > succulent treats !!!! LOLOLOL > > BTW my platies had babies and my betta, I am certain had a wonderful snack > of fresh platie frys there are only 7 babies in the tank that I can see. > > I got my new 48 gallon tank today and will set it up this weekend : ) > > Darlene > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: 8 mai 2009 18:05 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishtank coming soon for my "nasty" angel > fish ;) > > So my mom bought me a new fish tank (55 gallon kit from walmart) for my > angel fish so I can let them happily breed their lives away since that's > all they seem to want to do in my water parameters ;) LOL > Also I caught the monster catfish trying to munch on one of my fish > while I was feeding the tank (he didn't want the sinking wafers he > wanted the fish that was eating the sinking wafers, LOL), so he's > definitely going back either tonight if I get off of work early enough > or tomorrow. > I suppose I could throw him in with the angel fish for now until he gets > a little bigger, but that won't take him long I'm sure. I've had him for > about a month so far and he hasn't grown much at all from the looks of > it. I just want him to stop trying to eat my platy's, guppy's, and rams ;) > > Amber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40216	From: Debra	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Woo Hoo I have babies! Was Comet Goldfish...

My Black Sailfin Molly had what looks like 60 fry today. She is in a nursery tank and has been for about three weeks. I hope she has had all she's having. After delivering such a large amont of fry I hate to put her back with the male. I'll probably leave her alone for a while. It is surprising to see how much larger these fry are compared to guppies. Yeah! Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:55:25 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again OK. It's important to make sure you put down the right numbers. The NitrAte (NO3) is probably 10.0... right? You typed 1.0 again and I know that number isn't on the chart. It's good that the nitrAtes are climbing like that... from 5.0 earlier to 10.0 now. That means your nitrogen cycle is working. Also, since the ammonia is going down. What about NitrItes??? You can probably slow down on the PWC's and you may not have to do one tomorrow. Your test results will determine when you have to do these "extra" PWC's. I told you that you only have to do one if the ammonia or nitrItes reach or go over 1.0ppm. Since your ammonia is between 0.25 and 0.50, you are OK and there's a good chance that in the next day or two, they will go to 0.0ppm where they are supposed to be in a fully cycled tank... BUT... we still need to watch your nitrItes. Hopefully, they are staying at 0.0ppm but you haven't given us the test result numbers on them that past two times you posted test results. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a water test again no3 1.0 this went up form 5.0 earlier ammonia 0.25/0.50 same as previous doing a PWC again (in progress) I have a concern I am stressing her out would it be a good idea to wait til tomorrow morning before doing another PWC (checking levels 1st) In a message dated 5/7/2009 7:23:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of water parameters, as can most fish. The key is to maintain the tank so that the parameters stay reasonably consistent. You don't want your pH, temperature, hardness, etc., bouncing around too much as that will put stress on a fish and when fish get stressed, their immune systems falter and they are more likely to get sick. It would be a good idea to buy an API GH/KH Combo Kit since the KH level is an important thing to keep an eye on in heavily stocked tanks and just about every goldfish tank would fall into that category. A single adult sized fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish. That's just to give you an idea. Think about how much tank maintenance you would have to do on that tank if you had 500 1" goldfish in it??? The higher the bioload on a tank, the more important that the KH level becomes as the KH level is what helps to maintain the pH level so if the KH level goes too low, the pH could crash, causing pH shock to the fish which is often a deadly condition. The API GH/KH Combo Kit costs around $6.00 the last time I saw it at PetsMart.com but I just looked around the site just now and I don't see it. Walmart.com has the Tetratest-Laborette Master Test Kit for $15.88 which includes the GH and KH kits but you will also have duplicates on some of your other tests. Since it's a good idea to replace the test kit every year, if your API kit is over a year old, it might be a good time. Keep the Nitrate kit from API though since the T-L kit does not have a Nitrate test kit. Here's the link to the Walmart page for the T-L Master Test Kit for only $15.88 with free shipping to your local Wal-Mart. _http://www.walmart.http://www.whttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3635399) For goldfish tanks, it's a good idea to have a KH level between 4-7 dH (around 80-140ppm) and this minimum level of 4 dH KH is where the tank should be prior to a PWC. I know all this seems kind of crazy to you right now but once you learn these basics and then start doing weekly tank/filter/these basics and the will see much better tank conditions and less chance of sickness for your fish and as you've seen, trying to make a fish well is a lot more costly than preventing it in the first place. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:38 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again I will be doing the baseline for my tap water, What are the safe level, of the tank, water test for a Comet? In a message dated 5/7/2009 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: OK. Since you used the low pH test and it shows only 6.6 pH, that is OK and since you've done quite a few PWC's recently, it likely means your tap water has a low pH to start with but you should still do the 48 hour baseline test to make sure. If you ever see the low pH test kit reaching the top of the color chart, then you will have to do the high pH test. You should do both pH tests on your tap water baseline testing. I don't see a NitrIte (NO2-) test result listed. It's important to do ALL four tests when you any of them, unless the tank is fully cycled and then you can slow down on the ammonia and nitrIte tests and just keep up with the pH and nitrAte tests on a regular basis. I test my tanks about monthly now that I have a system that works to maintain my tank ecology. Of course, if a fish ever starts acting funny, then I do a full battery of tests on the tank. While you are still showing the low level of ammonia and/or nitrites, keep using the Prime or Ammo-lock and a pinch of salt per 10G, including a pinch of salt per 10G for any water you replace when you do PWC's. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish help again did a third test today ammonia between 0.25/0.50 no3 5.0 ph 6.6 ph high range 7.4 and did another water change In a message dated 5/7/2009 10:20:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: I'm glad the nitrAte test is showing at 10.0ppm. If your earlier tests were accurate, and I know you were having trouble with them, but you had previously reported nitrAte at 0.0ppm, so if the 0.0ppm earlier test results were accurate, that means the tank is starting to cycle again... which is GOOD!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40217	From: genealogyresearcher7	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Newbie and need advise on getting started

I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40218	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40219	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Antibiotics

Hi everyone! I'm a new member but not new to fish. I have a growing plague in my 55g tank -- my first one in 20+ years of having aquariums. The Catfish and Pl*co are OK but the Tin Foil Barbs have (quoting a website:) "Flexibacter/Columnaris (Symptoms: Fuzzy, thin, white coating on the body and fins. Looks like a fungus)" for which Nitrofurazone is recommended. All the web sites selling various brand names of that antibiotic say that one package "treats 100 gallons." But since I need four doses over a week's time (with water changes on the off days) I can't figure out if I should give them half of that package over four doses or if I need to give them half that package for each of the four doses (and have the other half a package left over for the next plague?) Sorry, I don't know how to interpret the instructions. In other words: == Do I buy one package or two? == Do I give them both packages? == Or half of one and have the other half left over for next time? Thanks! ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40220	From: jett07002	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question

Be very careful putting ANYTHING from the "wild" in your tank. You could be introducing a lot of problems. I am surprised Lenny didn't say this. LOL, gues he just wanted to give someone else something to say. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40221	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40222	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40223	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics

> Kai wrote: > > I can't figure out if I should give them half of that package over four doses or if I need to give them half that package for each of the four doses (and have the other half a package left over for the next plague?) > PHOOEY! BAD WORDING! I said that backwards. Reworded properly: I should give them half of that package over four doses (and have the other half a package left over for the next plague?) Or should I give them half that package for each of the four doses, using a total of 2 packages? Sorry for the confusion. (Serves me right for rushing...) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40224	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics

I Googled Nitrofurazone, and found this at http://www.novalek.com/aquavet/nitrofurazone.htm. If you have a weight for the product you are looking at, it should make things a bit clearer to you. ---------------------------------------- TREATMENT PROCEDURES AND DOSAGE: BATH: Nitrofurazone should be used at a concentration of between 9 and 25 mg/L (34.0 - 94.6 mg/gal), depending on the severity of infection. Partial water changes must be made after each 24 hours, followed by retreatment. To achieve a concentration of 9 mg/L, add 1 gram to each 29.4 gallons of water to be treated or one (1) level teaspoon for each 180 gallons. Continue treatment for 5-7 days. If improvement is not noted within 3 days, discontinue treatment. For accuracy and reproducibility of results, this drug should be measured by weight. However, because of its relative safety in aquariums, it may be measured in teaspoonfuls. ------------------------------------------ \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Antibiotics Hi everyone! I'm a new member but not new to fish. I have a growing plague in my 55g tank -- my first one in 20+ years of having aquariums. The Catfish and Pl*co are OK but the Tin Foil Barbs have (quoting a website:) "Flexibacter/Columnaris (Symptoms: Fuzzy, thin, white coating on the body and fins. Looks like a fungus)" for which Nitrofurazone is recommended. All the web sites selling various brand names of that antibiotic say that one package "treats 100 gallons." But since I need four doses over a week's time (with water changes on the off days) I can't figure out if I should give them half of that package over four doses or if I need to give them half that package for each of the four doses (and have the other half a package left over for the next plague?) Sorry, I don't know how to interpret the instructions. In other words: == Do I buy one package or two? == Do I give them both packages? == Or half of one and have the other half left over for next time? Thanks! ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40225	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

I did the calculation for your Rubbermaid oval several times, and it looks to hold only 32 gallons (which is why I did it several times). To me, that number looks to be low, but, it is hard to argue with math. The kidney shaped pond is more difficult. I went looking for one similar, and did not find one right away, but I did come up with one that only has a single depth, and is roughly kidney shaped at 54" x 30" x 17", with a capacity claimed at 50 gallons. Yours would be less. Are the two connected by a spillway, or are they separate? For now, I'll consider them connected. So, when looking at fish, think a 55 gallon tank. This would mean two fancy goldfish. Koi are out. You do not mention where in Texas you are, but if in the warm winter area, you may be able to keep hardy aquarium fish in the pond year round, or else you would be bring them, and the goldfish, if you go that way, in each winter for safe keeping. Plantings will be problematical with goldfish. All plants would need to be potted. If you would like a water lily, think dwarf lily in the kidney shaped pond placed in the deeper area. Anacharis (elodea) will suffice for an underwater plant (and they can bloom once reaching the surface). For an interesting plant, look at water hawthorn. Parrots feather might do OK in the shallow area. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:20 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40226	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40227	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question

> Amber wrote: > > Okay a friend gave me a bag of shells > > ...if I put this into a freshwater tank > Keep the whole shebang on a shelf instead. :o) The shells would change the pH of your water. They would boost it to the alkaline side. Depending on what kind of fish you have, neutral is probably best for plain ol' tropicals. And any quick change is bad. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40228	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

> Debbie wrote: > > Totally Novice, > In that case, go online and read up on "cycling." In simple terms, there is a complicated biological process that water must go through before it develops an ecosystem that is suitable for fish. "You must first be a keeper of water before you can be a keeper of fish." Once that ecosystem has been established, THEN you can add fish. "Fish are not INSTANT pets." And a typical "newbie" mistake is to put in too many fish. Consider that the fish will grow. Koi get quite large. You're better off getting a couple that you REALLY like instead of many. > > I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told. > Whatever you use, rinse it REALLY REALLY well. And leaving the empty ponds out in the bright sunshine for a week or so will also help disinfect them. (Then rinse really really well again.) > > It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. > Google the manufacturer and see if you can find instructions to work the pump and filter systems. Or find similar units and apply the directions from those. Good luck with your new ponds. :o) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40229	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics

If you could give us the brand and medicine you are considering/comparing, it would be easier. If I saw on a package that it "treats 100 gallons", then I would presume that it would provide a full treatment for a 100G tank, according to its instructions. Half of that treatment would be suitable for a 55G tank since a 55G tank rarely holds 55 gallons considering the gravel, decorations and that we do not fill our tanks to the very top. What do the instructions say. If you can't find a website that has the identical instructions prepared for our review, then you may have to re-type them here so we can help you decipher what they are trying to instruct. Oftentimes, instructions will say to NOT do any PWC's (partial water changes) during the treatment. However, it is best to do a series of PWC's, a couple a day or even one 25% PWC every few hours, prior to starting the treatment, in order to get the water quality in good condition prior to starting the treatment, including gravel vacuuming and proper filter maintenance. This also helps to remove any bad bacteria/pathogens from the water column, gravel and filter media so the meds can work better. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:38 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Antibiotics Hi everyone! I'm a new member but not new to fish. I have a growing plague in my 55g tank -- my first one in 20+ years of having aquariums. The Catfish and Pl*co are OK but the Tin Foil Barbs have (quoting a website:) "Flexibacter/Columnaris (Symptoms: Fuzzy, thin, white coating on the body and fins. Looks like a fungus)" for which Nitrofurazone is recommended. All the web sites selling various brand names of that antibiotic say that one package "treats 100 gallons." But since I need four doses over a week's time (with water changes on the off days) I can't figure out if I should give them half of that package over four doses or if I need to give them half that package for each of the four doses (and have the other half a package left over for the next plague?) Sorry, I don't know how to interpret the instructions. In other words: == Do I buy one package or two? == Do I give them both packages? == Or half of one and have the other half left over for next time? Thanks! ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40230	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Dried starfish question

Well, I'm not opposed to most of the "wild" things in my tank... after all, our fish are "wild" in many/most cases. Same with rocks, driftwood, plants, etc. But certain "wild" things shouldn't go in our tanks, for example, a beaver (whether it's dead or alive). LOL But yes, sometimes I do try to refrain typing too many verbose replies... although I like to hear myself talk, I know most other folks don't! LOL I can't help it if I love ME!!! :-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jett07002 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Dried starfish question Be very careful putting ANYTHING from the "wild" in your tank. You could be introducing a lot of problems. I am surprised Lenny didn't say this. LOL, gues he just wanted to give someone else something to say. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40231	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

OK. The first one is likely a Rubbermaid Stock Water Trough... quite often used for mini-ponds. The second one sounds like a typical kidney shaped plastic pond sold at many of the big-box home stores. Here's a link I have in my favorites, to a "Horse Trough Pond" made with a Galvanized steel water trough but gives you some ideas. http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2755&highlight= At least with your plastic tub, you won't have to do the spray on liner or put a rubber liner in it. It's good that the plastic tub is used also since many of the plastic water troughs have a mildewcide in them when they are new, to prevent algae from growing on the sides of the water trough but this wears out over time. This link has another Rubbermaid Trough Pond with a black plastic trough. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20803 and this one too... https://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=118&parent Id=10 This Rubbermaid link I had in my favorites used to bring up their page of several stock tubs but it seems Rubbermaid isn't making them any longer. http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product _Code=RCP+4247+GRA&Category_Code=Farm+Tough%99+Stock+Tanks and that search link now defaults to the main page at http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/index.aspx The tub (48" x 28" x 11" / 231 = 64 Gallons). This one could be above ground or dug in. It's sturdy enough to be above ground. 64 Gallons would only be good for about two fancy goldfish or one regular goldfish to reach adult size. You might want to consider having other smaller fish for that one and keeping it more in the shade since the 11" deep tub could be problematic with heating up way too fast and too much in the Texas sun. The 11" depth would NOT help much with geothermal heating/cooling if it was dug in either... although it might benefit a little at 11" deep.. but not much. The kidney shaped (48" x 22" (at most) x 18" (at most) / 231 = 82 Gallons - at most and probably closer to the 64G above when considering the 8" depth section and the kidney curve). This one should be dug in or properly supported on it's sides to keep it from losing it's shape or one of the sides collapsing. You could pile up mud on the sides so there's a hill leading up to the top or build a wood frame around it and then fill that with mud and where the kidney curves in, you could use that as a base for a spitter or plants, etc. Using the mud on the sides will also help provide some insulation although in-ground would be best to give it a little geo-thermal heating/cooling. You have the same stocking problems with this one also. They really are on the way-small end of goldfish ponds. This one would be OK for one or two goldfish and at least with the 18" deep section, it would benefit more from geothermal cooling to help keep it cooler during the summer sun months. If you want live plants in them, then you would also want lots of floating plants (hyacinths, lilies, even floating anacharis) to provide more shade for the water to help keep it cooler and provide more O2 in the hottest parts of the day. At least they are small enough that you could also put up a patio umbrella next to them to block the direct sun during the hottest parts of the day. The small fountain or spitter and its pump would also help to circulate and agitate the water to provide additional ingasing of O2 from the air. If you've cleaned it well, like \\Steve// said, that would be good but rubbing it down with a brine (or stronger) solution of salt water will also kill most stuff. The vinegar (preferably pickling vinegar since it's stronger) is best for taking the hard water build-up off of the plastic. Take lots of pics and post them in your online photo album or use the group's photo section. It's always a GREAT thing to have lots of pics of each stage of a DIY project for you to look back on or write your own article one day. ;-) I never use to do this but now, in the age of digital cameras for under a $100.00, I take tons of pics. That filter system sounds like a smaller version of this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfadkk5W5dc Let me know if this is what you have... or rather a smaller version of it. Make sure your electrical outlet is GFI (ground fault interrupter) protected to protect you and the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:20 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40232	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

\\Steve//, I came up with 64G for the Rubbermaid. Maybe you should have specified inches also... since you seem to have had a problem converting "4 feet". <VBG> LOL (Just getting you back for your reference to me wanting the measurements in inches.. LOL) I only did my math twice though... not several times like you. ;-) I always ask for inches since most tape measures have the inches clearly written and in my business, I've seen lots of folks mess up when reading the Feet/Inches part of a tape measure. It's a good idea that you mentioned the "spillway" though since connecting these two ponds would go a long way at having a couple of goldfish in the bigger/deeper pond and then more plants in the smaller pond (safer from being eaten by the goldfish) but the total gallons would count for the water volume when determining a suitable bioload for the pond system. The pump would be in the smaller pond and would pump water up to the water feature for the bigger pond and then the bigger pond would overflow (by design) back into the smaller pond. This would also increase aeration/agitation (and O2 levels) by having the water feature (fountain, spitter, waterfall, etc.) in the bigger pond and then the overflow waterfall into the smaller pond. This way, the deeper pond could also be covered with a mini-pergola or other cover to keep it cooler for the fish and the smaller pond with all the plants would not have to be covered and could benefit from the more sunlight and the heavier plant cover would help to keep it cooler. The temperatures would have to be monitored to make sure it's not getting too hot but I think this would work well, in theory at least. The other problem with trying to keep fish in the shallow pond is that they would be more at risk to predators (herons, raccoons, etc.) where the 18" deep pond would give the fish some protection. At least they are small enough so that you could easily net the entire bigger pond where the fish are at if you find yourself with a predator issue and the mini-pergola over the deeper pond would make it easy to net and un-net as wanted/needed. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I did the calculation for your Rubbermaid oval several times, and it looks to hold only 32 gallons (which is why I did it several times). To me, that number looks to be low, but, it is hard to argue with math. The kidney shaped pond is more difficult. I went looking for one similar, and did not find one right away, but I did come up with one that only has a single depth, and is roughly kidney shaped at 54" x 30" x 17", with a capacity claimed at 50 gallons. Yours would be less. Are the two connected by a spillway, or are they separate? For now, I'll consider them connected. So, when looking at fish, think a 55 gallon tank. This would mean two fancy goldfish. Koi are out. You do not mention where in Texas you are, but if in the warm winter area, you may be able to keep hardy aquarium fish in the pond year round, or else you would be bring them, and the goldfish, if you go that way, in each winter for safe keeping. Plantings will be problematical with goldfish. All plants would need to be potted. If you would like a water lily, think dwarf lily in the kidney shaped pond placed in the deeper area. Anacharis (elodea) will suffice for an underwater plant (and they can bloom once reaching the surface). For an interesting plant, look at water hawthorn. Parrots feather might do OK in the shallow area. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:20 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40233	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Comet goldfish

Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40234	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

She is probably stressing out over the water issues a little, after time she should come out of it when the tank stops cycling again. A lot of fish start to act differently when the Ammonia level's go up a little, and the higher they go the more "off" they tend to act. When any of my fish start acting differently I test my tanks to make sure something isn't wrong that I can't see with my eyes ;) I don't think feeding her less is going to help your cycling issues, it'll just mean that you're going to want to clean the tank more often than once a week (or when the Ammonia get's too high) and clean the gravel really well when you do it (with a syphon) Amber jan1213@... wrote: > > > Did another water test this morn > ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday > ph 6.6 has not changed > no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up > no3 10 same as yesterday > I did a water PWC again > my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding > her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of > depression if they get that? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> writes: > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you > now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40235	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

thanks Amber Janis In a message dated 5/9/2009 2:55:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: She is probably stressing out over the water issues a little, after time she should come out of it when the tank stops cycling again. A lot of fish start to act differently when the Ammonia level's go up a little, and the higher they go the more "off" they tend to act. When any of my fish start acting differently I test my tanks to make sure something isn't wrong that I can't see with my eyes ;) I don't think feeding her less is going to help your cycling issues, it'll just mean that you're going to want to clean the tank more often than once a week (or when the Ammonia get's too high) and clean the gravel really well when you do it (with a syphon) Amber _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) wrote: > > > Did another water test this morn > ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday > ph 6.6 has not changed > no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up > no3 10 same as yesterday > I did a water PWC again > my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding > her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of > depression if they get that? > > > In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) <mailto:GoldLenny%mailto:Gold> writes: > > A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty > big... > > ************ ************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a > now. > (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > <_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) >) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40236	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40237	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges.... meaning only rinsing/squeezing/flushing them in some removed tank water to remove the majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, http://DrTimsAquatics.com and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40238	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20...............................what happened I doing another pwc should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filt rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezing/<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, _http://DrTimsAquatihttp:/_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40239	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

should I clean the media that I put in the filter area (the gravel) thanks In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@... writes: did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 2no3 2no3 20...... I doing another pwc should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, __http://DrTimsAquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... ************************<WBR>**Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a flori (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40240	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com From: steve@familyszabo. com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40241	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

No. DO NOT fool with the filters at all right now while you are trying to get your tank re-cycled. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish should I clean the media that I put in the filter area (the gravel) thanks In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1213@... writes: did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 2no3 2no3 20...... I doing another pwc should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, __http://DrTimsAquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40242	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

As previously stated, there's no reason to do a 25% PWC unless or until the ammonia or nitrite reach the 1.0ppm level. With your pH, an ammonia level of 1.0ppm is not even close to being toxic, but the good bacteria that you are trying to grow do need some ammonia in the tank in order to grow their colonies. They will only grow if there is a source of ammonia... and then nitrites. There's also no need to do more than 25% at a time... especially since we do not know your tap water baseline yet. 25% PWC's is a good safe number for most fish keepers. Changing too much more could cause shock issues if the tap water parameters are a lot different than the tank water paramters. If you need to do more than 25%, then it's best to do one 25% PWC, then wait a couple of hours, then do another. Unless there is an emergency contamination (soap, air spray, some other household cleaner or poison), I would never do a large water change. If it's just dirty water from lack of maintenance, then it's best to do a series of smaller PWC's since the fish slowly acclimated to that dirty water so they need to be slowly acclimated back to clean water to avoid shocking the fish with pH or osmotic shock issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20...............................what happened I doing another pwc should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filt rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezing/<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, _http://DrTimsAquatihttp:/_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40243	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Lenny, She has stated the tub was an oval. To find the area of an oval, the formulae is not as straight forward as one would presume. The easy formula is "pi*a*b" where a = half length of major axis (horizontal) and b = half length of minor axis (vertical). Believe me when I say that you do not want to see the accurate formula. So, using this formula with the figures she gave 4" (48") x 28" x 11", you would have ((3.14*24*14)(11)/231. Ahh, that is better, now I have 50.24 gallons. I think I may have been using a dimension she gave for the other container. Still, if she wanted goldfish, I'd probably still go with only two for the whole thing, if they are connected or not. If other types of fish were to be used, I'd stock as if it were a 100 gallon tank connected. In an outdoor pond, fish tend to grow better and spawn more often than in an aquarium. Allowances must be made for this. Also, if she is planting, which she may be unable to do without direct sunlight, having them under a tree, one must account for the space consumed by the needed planting containers. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started OK. The first one is likely a Rubbermaid Stock Water Trough... quite often used for mini-ponds. The second one sounds like a typical kidney shaped plastic pond sold at many of the big-box home stores. Here's a link I have in my favorites, to a "Horse Trough Pond" made with a Galvanized steel water trough but gives you some ideas. http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2755&highlight= At least with your plastic tub, you won't have to do the spray on liner or put a rubber liner in it. It's good that the plastic tub is used also since many of the plastic water troughs have a mildewcide in them when they are new, to prevent algae from growing on the sides of the water trough but this wears out over time. This link has another Rubbermaid Trough Pond with a black plastic trough. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20803 and this one too... https://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=118&parent Id=10 This Rubbermaid link I had in my favorites used to bring up their page of several stock tubs but it seems Rubbermaid isn't making them any longer. http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product _Code=RCP+4247+GRA&Category_Code=Farm+Tough%99+Stock+Tanks and that search link now defaults to the main page at http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/index.aspx The tub (48" x 28" x 11" / 231 = 64 Gallons). This one could be above ground or dug in. It's sturdy enough to be above ground. 64 Gallons would only be good for about two fancy goldfish or one regular goldfish to reach adult size. You might want to consider having other smaller fish for that one and keeping it more in the shade since the 11" deep tub could be problematic with heating up way too fast and too much in the Texas sun. The 11" depth would NOT help much with geothermal heating/cooling if it was dug in either... although it might benefit a little at 11" deep.. but not much. The kidney shaped (48" x 22" (at most) x 18" (at most) / 231 = 82 Gallons - at most and probably closer to the 64G above when considering the 8" depth section and the kidney curve). This one should be dug in or properly supported on it's sides to keep it from losing it's shape or one of the sides collapsing. You could pile up mud on the sides so there's a hill leading up to the top or build a wood frame around it and then fill that with mud and where the kidney curves in, you could use that as a base for a spitter or plants, etc. Using the mud on the sides will also help provide some insulation although in-ground would be best to give it a little geo-thermal heating/cooling. You have the same stocking problems with this one also. They really are on the way-small end of goldfish ponds. This one would be OK for one or two goldfish and at least with the 18" deep section, it would benefit more from geothermal cooling to help keep it cooler during the summer sun months. If you want live plants in them, then you would also want lots of floating plants (hyacinths, lilies, even floating anacharis) to provide more shade for the water to help keep it cooler and provide more O2 in the hottest parts of the day. At least they are small enough that you could also put up a patio umbrella next to them to block the direct sun during the hottest parts of the day. The small fountain or spitter and its pump would also help to circulate and agitate the water to provide additional ingasing of O2 from the air. If you've cleaned it well, like \\Steve// said, that would be good but rubbing it down with a brine (or stronger) solution of salt water will also kill most stuff. The vinegar (preferably pickling vinegar since it's stronger) is best for taking the hard water build-up off of the plastic. Take lots of pics and post them in your online photo album or use the group's photo section. It's always a GREAT thing to have lots of pics of each stage of a DIY project for you to look back on or write your own article one day. ;-) I never use to do this but now, in the age of digital cameras for under a $100.00, I take tons of pics. That filter system sounds like a smaller version of this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfadkk5W5dc Let me know if this is what you have... or rather a smaller version of it. Make sure your electrical outlet is GFI (ground fault interrupter) protected to protect you and the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:20 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40244	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Please describe the cloudiness. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com From: steve@familyszabo. com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40245	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

white cloudinest --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM Please describe the cloudiness. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com From: steve@familyszabo. com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40246	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Well, correct, if a true oval, but I know that Rubbermaid does not make true oval tubs... more like rectangles with rounded corners, although the rounded corners are large radius curves so I guess that does take a lot of the volume away... but I didn't think half the volume. I see where your new computations have it around 50G and I'll concede, without checking, that your math for an oval is correct (this time.. lol) but if the container is not a true oval, then it will be somewhere between your figure and mine. I guess it's best to go with the low volume for fish safety. See the picture of a typical Rubbermaid livestock trough here. Of course, this may not be what she has. https://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=118&parent This one is 69" x 63" x 25" and is rated at 300G so I'm not sure what she has until we see some pics. This is more of what I was thinking when she said "oval"... rounded rectangle. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Lenny, She has stated the tub was an oval. To find the area of an oval, the formulae is not as straight forward as one would presume. The easy formula is "pi*a*b" where a = half length of major axis (horizontal) and b = half length of minor axis (vertical). Believe me when I say that you do not want to see the accurate formula. So, using this formula with the figures she gave 4" (48") x 28" x 11", you would have ((3.14*24*14)(11)/231. Ahh, that is better, now I have 50.24 gallons. I think I may have been using a dimension she gave for the other container. Still, if she wanted goldfish, I'd probably still go with only two for the whole thing, if they are connected or not. If other types of fish were to be used, I'd stock as if it were a 100 gallon tank connected. In an outdoor pond, fish tend to grow better and spawn more often than in an aquarium. Allowances must be made for this. Also, if she is planting, which she may be unable to do without direct sunlight, having them under a tree, one must account for the space consumed by the needed planting containers. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:41 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started OK. The first one is likely a Rubbermaid Stock Water Trough... quite often used for mini-ponds. The second one sounds like a typical kidney shaped plastic pond sold at many of the big-box home stores. Here's a link I have in my favorites, to a "Horse Trough Pond" made with a Galvanized steel water trough but gives you some ideas. http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2755&highlight= At least with your plastic tub, you won't have to do the spray on liner or put a rubber liner in it. It's good that the plastic tub is used also since many of the plastic water troughs have a mildewcide in them when they are new, to prevent algae from growing on the sides of the water trough but this wears out over time. This link has another Rubbermaid Trough Pond with a black plastic trough. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20803 and this one too... https://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=118&parent Id=10 This Rubbermaid link I had in my favorites used to bring up their page of several stock tubs but it seems Rubbermaid isn't making them any longer. http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product _Code=RCP+4247+GRA&Category_Code=Farm+Tough%99+Stock+Tanks and that search link now defaults to the main page at http://www.rubbermaidproducts.com/index.aspx The tub (48" x 28" x 11" / 231 = 64 Gallons). This one could be above ground or dug in. It's sturdy enough to be above ground. 64 Gallons would only be good for about two fancy goldfish or one regular goldfish to reach adult size. You might want to consider having other smaller fish for that one and keeping it more in the shade since the 11" deep tub could be problematic with heating up way too fast and too much in the Texas sun. The 11" depth would NOT help much with geothermal heating/cooling if it was dug in either... although it might benefit a little at 11" deep.. but not much. The kidney shaped (48" x 22" (at most) x 18" (at most) / 231 = 82 Gallons - at most and probably closer to the 64G above when considering the 8" depth section and the kidney curve). This one should be dug in or properly supported on it's sides to keep it from losing it's shape or one of the sides collapsing. You could pile up mud on the sides so there's a hill leading up to the top or build a wood frame around it and then fill that with mud and where the kidney curves in, you could use that as a base for a spitter or plants, etc. Using the mud on the sides will also help provide some insulation although in-ground would be best to give it a little geo-thermal heating/cooling. You have the same stocking problems with this one also. They really are on the way-small end of goldfish ponds. This one would be OK for one or two goldfish and at least with the 18" deep section, it would benefit more from geothermal cooling to help keep it cooler during the summer sun months. If you want live plants in them, then you would also want lots of floating plants (hyacinths, lilies, even floating anacharis) to provide more shade for the water to help keep it cooler and provide more O2 in the hottest parts of the day. At least they are small enough that you could also put up a patio umbrella next to them to block the direct sun during the hottest parts of the day. The small fountain or spitter and its pump would also help to circulate and agitate the water to provide additional ingasing of O2 from the air. If you've cleaned it well, like \\Steve// said, that would be good but rubbing it down with a brine (or stronger) solution of salt water will also kill most stuff. The vinegar (preferably pickling vinegar since it's stronger) is best for taking the hard water build-up off of the plastic. Take lots of pics and post them in your online photo album or use the group's photo section. It's always a GREAT thing to have lots of pics of each stage of a DIY project for you to look back on or write your own article one day. ;-) I never use to do this but now, in the age of digital cameras for under a $100.00, I take tons of pics. That filter system sounds like a smaller version of this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfadkk5W5dc Let me know if this is what you have... or rather a smaller version of it. Make sure your electrical outlet is GFI (ground fault interrupter) protected to protect you and the fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:20 AM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Totally Novice,, The ponds are already dug and the rubbermaid container is oval shapped,it has also on it Rubbermaid Agricultural Products.. Warning use caged heaters only. It is 4 feet long, 28 inches wide and 11 inches deep, the other one has no name on it is lighter weight plastic kidney shaped and is 4 feet long, 22 inches wide in the most of it and gets smaller of course,, and at 3/4 of it is 18 inches deep then it is 8 inches deep..they are out of the holes and drying and have been drained of the mess. I was told to take KOSHER salt pore on them , leave them a few days then scrub it off... rinse well.. that is all I have been told . It has a I guess is what is the filter looks like a battery with a whole bunch of slits in the top with a hole that has a wand sprinkler looking thing.. So yes I don't even know what it is called.. LOL. Next to the ponds is a closed box with an electic outlet and water faucet. I am off to check out your blog.. If I can find my packed camera I am taking pictures.. too bad I didn't have them of the start with the dead birds and yuck in it.... Thank you so very much.. Debbie To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: GoldLenny@... Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Are you a "total novice" to fish keeping also or have you been keeping aquariums a while and know all about water chemistry, the nitrogen cycle, etc.? Will you be digging in the ponds or just setting them up above ground? How big are they? If they do not have the gallon volume on them, give us rough measurements in inches and I'm sure I could figure out the approximate gallon volume or find the identical items online to know the exact gallons. This would give us the info we need to steer you towards what kind of pump, filtration, etc., that you will need. I have a couple of pond articles on my blog with links to many more, including free e-books, magazines and websites that will help you go through the process of building/setting up a new pond. I also have instructions for a DIY pre-filter that I've used on my mini-ponds (1,000G or less) that work with the decorative pond pumps that many of us use on mini-ponds.. the smaller pumps that power a fountain or spitter. This DIY filter will provide protection to the pump (to make it last longer) but also provide mechanical and biological filtration for the pond. Just go to my blog and on the right side, under Labels, click on the links to the Pond blogs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40247	From: Laurie Murphy	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Five Plan DualClean filter

I just purchased a used aquarium and filter. The filter is called a DualClean 600 by Five Plan (the aquarium is Five Plan also). I've never seen one quite like it. It sits on top of the tank behind the light. It is the length of the tank. (only a 15 gallon) The fellow purchased it in Japan and said it worked fine. I can't find information on the filter. I wondered if anyone has tried one and how well it works. He was using a filter pad that he cut to size since he could not find the type it came with, and a bag of charcoal. I was wondering if I could also use some bio balls? Thanks for reading. Laurie_,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40248	From: greychildren	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is happening. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > white cloudinest > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby. >   > I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media. >   > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows, >   > Ph 7.2 > Nitrate 20 > Nitrite 0 > amonia 1.0 > KH 0 > hardness very soft water > gh 10 >   > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart. >   > what do you guys think? >   > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM > > Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I > think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) > yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would > need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This > would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the > plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish > (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing > them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. > With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you > will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to > get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will > be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. > > Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you > do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that > Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on > that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at > least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't > kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were > full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. > Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get > blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out > more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than > leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > Behalf Of Debbie House > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > > Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, > I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy > the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just > want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one > Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was > designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. > They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching > those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the > cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover > them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them > ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. > Debbie > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > From: steve@familyszabo. com > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > > First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard > stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the > "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would > use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the > green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this > will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove > any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through > the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts > of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. > > Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever > make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and > plants. > > However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As > Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to > house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, > I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the > shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units > designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure > these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just > being used as a generic description? > > Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these > on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the > ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have > marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not > very deep). > > You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do > well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct > sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes > things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. > > This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and > your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue > the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort > of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started > > I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how > do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, > green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment > needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any > help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in > Texas. Thank you. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40249	From: bill1433	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Sorry, I do not mean to butt in here but I think \\Steve// would also like to know, aside from the water description. How are the fish doing? Swimming normally? Near the surface? Exhibit any sort of stress at all?  These are also important factors to solving a water problem. Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:15 PM > Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost > cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is > happening. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > white cloudinest > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG > poppa > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and > all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the > hobby. > >   > > I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my > 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart > double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had > to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i > went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer > media. > >   > > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it > goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my > water in the peremeters are as follows, > >   > > Ph 7.2 > > Nitrate 20 > > Nitrite 0 > > amonia 1.0 > > KH 0 > > hardness very soft water > > gh 10 > >   > > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter > from walmart. > >   > > what do you guys think? > >   > > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test > strips > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM > > > > Since the holes are dug and if you already have a > filter system (I > > think).... do you have a pump or water feature > (spitter, fountain, etc.) > > yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the > only thing you would > > need to get it set up mechanically, then some live > aquatic plants. This > > would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it > up and have the > > plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a > couple of goldfish > > (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless > you plan on bringing > > them in every winter), acclimating them properly and > you will be good to go. > > With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in > over 100G of water, you > > will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the > time the fish start to > > get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, > your filter system will > > be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. > > > > > Just read my blog article on proper "Filter > Maintenance And Cleaning" so you > > do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still > do. Even in that > > Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in > another YouTube linked on > > that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I > was cringing... or at > > least hoping her water source was a natural well so > the chlorine wouldn't > > kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as > her filter pads were > > full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria > growing in them. > > Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of > sludge that they get > > blocked up from water flowing through them and > properly flushing them out > > more often is much better.... like flushing our > toilets is better than > > leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debbie House > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting > them done this year, > > I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the > things I need for them, buy > > the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the > fish and plants.. just > > want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected > together. The one > > Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that > is just what was > > designed for it as an agricultural product for above > ground. > > They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will > have to be watching > > those falling leaves when I get it up and running. > Thank you so much for the > > cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once > cleaned I will cover > > them untill ready to get started so no new rain water > will fall in them > > ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for > the camera today. > > Debbie > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > From: steve@familyszabo. com > > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them > on edge and use a hard > > stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and > whatnot that may be in the > > "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral > deposit, you would > > use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove > what you can. If the > > green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with > the water rinse, this > > will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry > in the sun. To remove > > any harmful pathogens that may have taken up > residence, and remain through > > the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach > solution of about 10 parts > > of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. > > > > Do not even think about using soap or detergent. > Should your "tubs" ever > > make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be > harmful to fish and > > plants. > > > > However, before you go to all that work, you should do > some planning. As > > Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine > what may be suitable to > > house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements > in feet if you want, > > I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to > <g>.) Also mention the > > shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another > shape. Are the two units > > designed to fit together to make a connecting series > of ponds? Are you sure > > these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, > that Rubbermaid is just > > being used as a generic description? > > > > Another decision you will need to make is whether you > will be placing these > > on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off > to place them in the > > ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and > you will have > > marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, > these containers are not > > very deep). > > > > You also need to consider where in your yard you will > place these. To do > > well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 > hours of direct > > sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. > This, of course, makes > > things interesting from the standpoint of algae > control. > > > > This is just a start. Get back to us with the > information requested, and > > your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, > and we can continue > > the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the > season to start this sort > > of project, but we will be able to muddle through it > with you. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are > drained out.. now how > > do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, > dead birds ,leaves, > > green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into > ponds. Equipment > > needed to maintain them? I would like to see the > oriental theme in them. Any > > help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this > subject. I live in > > Texas. Thank you. Debbie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to > receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time > in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the > No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read > messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to > receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >        > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40250	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

n/p bill they seam to be fine there eating and swimming the only one acting weird is my clown loach. does not stop swimming from one side of the tank to the oder --- On Sat, 5/9/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:37 PM Sorry, I do not mean to butt in here but I think \\Steve/ / would also like to know, aside from the water description. How are the fish doing? Swimming normally? Near the surface? Exhibit any sort of stress at all?  These are also important factors to solving a water problem. Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:15 PM > Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost > cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is > happening. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, > biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > white cloudinest > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG > poppa > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and > all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the > hobby. > >   > > I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my > 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart > double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had > to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i > went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer > media. > >   > > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it > goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my > water in the peremeters are as follows, > >   > > Ph 7.2 > > Nitrate 20 > > Nitrite 0 > > amonia 1.0 > > KH 0 > > hardness very soft water > > gh 10 > >   > > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter > from walmart. > >   > > what do you guys think? > >   > > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test > strips > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM > > > > Since the holes are dug and if you already have a > filter system (I > > think).... do you have a pump or water feature > (spitter, fountain, etc.) > > yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the > only thing you would > > need to get it set up mechanically, then some live > aquatic plants. This > > would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it > up and have the > > plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a > couple of goldfish > > (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless > you plan on bringing > > them in every winter), acclimating them properly and > you will be good to go. > > With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in > over 100G of water, you > > will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the > time the fish start to > > get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, > your filter system will > > be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. > > > > > Just read my blog article on proper "Filter > Maintenance And Cleaning" so you > > do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still > do. Even in that > > Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in > another YouTube linked on > > that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I > was cringing... or at > > least hoping her water source was a natural well so > the chlorine wouldn't > > kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as > her filter pads were > > full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria > growing in them. > > Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of > sludge that they get > > blocked up from water flowing through them and > properly flushing them out > > more often is much better.... like flushing our > toilets is better than > > leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are > listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > Behalf Of Debbie House > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting > them done this year, > > I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the > things I need for them, buy > > the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the > fish and plants.. just > > want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected > together. The one > > Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that > is just what was > > designed for it as an agricultural product for above > ground. > > They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will > have to be watching > > those falling leaves when I get it up and running. > Thank you so much for the > > cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once > cleaned I will cover > > them untill ready to get started so no new rain water > will fall in them > > ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for > the camera today. > > Debbie > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > From: steve@familyszabo. com > > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them > on edge and use a hard > > stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and > whatnot that may be in the > > "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral > deposit, you would > > use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove > what you can. If the > > green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with > the water rinse, this > > will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry > in the sun. To remove > > any harmful pathogens that may have taken up > residence, and remain through > > the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach > solution of about 10 parts > > of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. > > > > Do not even think about using soap or detergent. > Should your "tubs" ever > > make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be > harmful to fish and > > plants. > > > > However, before you go to all that work, you should do > some planning. As > > Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine > what may be suitable to > > house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements > in feet if you want, > > I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to > <g>.) Also mention the > > shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another > shape. Are the two units > > designed to fit together to make a connecting series > of ponds? Are you sure > > these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, > that Rubbermaid is just > > being used as a generic description? > > > > Another decision you will need to make is whether you > will be placing these > > on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off > to place them in the > > ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and > you will have > > marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, > these containers are not > > very deep). > > > > You also need to consider where in your yard you will > place these. To do > > well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 > hours of direct > > sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. > This, of course, makes > > things interesting from the standpoint of algae > control. > > > > This is just a start. Get back to us with the > information requested, and > > your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, > and we can continue > > the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the > season to start this sort > > of project, but we will be able to muddle through it > with you. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are > drained out.. now how > > do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, > dead birds ,leaves, > > green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into > ponds. Equipment > > needed to maintain them? I would like to see the > oriental theme in them. Any > > help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this > subject. I live in > > Texas. Thank you. Debbie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that > is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead > of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to > receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time > in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the > No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read > messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to > receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >        > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40251	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotics

> Lenny wrote: > > If you could give us the brand and medicine you are considering/comparing, > it would be easier. > Some of the online brands are Bifuran+ or Furan-2 or Binox but I don't know what I'll find at my local fish store. I'm a fairly recent transplant to the boonies and local shopping still adds to the culture shock. (I'm baffled why stores don't have evening hours. "Quick! Lock up before customers get off work!") > If I saw on a package that it "treats 100 gallons", then I would presume > that it would provide a full treatment for a 100G tank, according to its > instructions. You'd think so... but years ago when I still had my 20g, there would never be enough in one package. Doc Wellfish was notorious for that. > a 55G tank rarely holds 55 gallons considering the gravel, How true. I measured the cubic volume of the water in my tank and used a conversion program to determine that there is only appx 42 gallons of water in my 55g tank. Yes, it looks "full" to the eye. > > Oftentimes, instructions will say to NOT do any PWC's (partial water > changes) during the treatment. > The link Steve gave me http://www.novalek.com/aquavet/nitrofurazone.htm said to do PWC. It is for Nitrofurazone in general, which I assume would include any brand of it. (But we all know what happens when we assume...) Bottom line is that I'll have to spend a good amount of time with the instructions of whatever brand I find to try to figure out what the proper dosage is -- and that includes IN the store to determine how many packages I'll need. Thanks for all your help so far. :o) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40252	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

It sounds like you did the same mistake as lots of newbies. When you changed filters, you put your tank into a mini-cycle or worse. That is why you are getting an ammonia reading because when you changed filter systems, you lost all your good nitrifying bacteria that grows mostly in the filter media. Is this the first time you've tested it? In 3 weeks, your ammonia could have gotten much higher or you could have also had a nitrite spike. Have you lost any fish? You're lucky to have a moderate pH as a higher pH makes ammonia much more toxic. I see that \\Steve// asked you about what color cloudiness but I was just presuming it was whitish since you changed your filters out and had an ammonia reading... that is the bacteria blooming in the water column since your tank is starting up the nitrogen cycle again... just like a new tank. If you did not do anything to harm the bacteria in your gravel, take a handful or two of gravel and put it in the reservoir of the filter. That will help grow more bacteria on that gravel and transfer the bacteria to your filter media so it will grow the proper sized colonies for your bioload. Read or re-read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance and Cleaning" so you don't repeat this common mistake. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40253	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

i did loose one of my rainbow sharks.i guess it was do to transportation from my LFS. i will try the gravel in the  filter thing Lenny --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:26 PM It sounds like you did the same mistake as lots of newbies. When you changed filters, you put your tank into a mini-cycle or worse. That is why you are getting an ammonia reading because when you changed filter systems, you lost all your good nitrifying bacteria that grows mostly in the filter media. Is this the first time you've tested it? In 3 weeks, your ammonia could have gotten much higher or you could have also had a nitrite spike. Have you lost any fish? You're lucky to have a moderate pH as a higher pH makes ammonia much more toxic. I see that \\Steve// asked you about what color cloudiness but I was just presuming it was whitish since you changed your filters out and had an ammonia reading... that is the bacteria blooming in the water column since your tank is starting up the nitrogen cycle again... just like a new tank. If you did not do anything to harm the bacteria in your gravel, take a handful or two of gravel and put it in the reservoir of the filter. That will help grow more bacteria on that gravel and transfer the bacteria to your filter media so it will grow the proper sized colonies for your bioload. Read or re-read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance and Cleaning" so you don't repeat this common mistake. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40254	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

The goldfish are much hardier than a clown loach so the ammonia level (and other ecological things happening in the water) is likely affecting him much worse than the goldfish. When you took out the old filter cartridge and filter, you disrupted the ecology of your tank so now it has to come back into balance so you'll see the white cloudiness, you could get algae growth, fish could get stressed and/or sick, etc. The filter system is one of the most important parts of the tank's ecology and the instructions that come with filters leave much to be desired when talking about this. Many manufacturers are more about trying to sell filter cartridges than making the tank the best it can be for the fish. It's why I wrote my article many years ago on a couple of other forums before setting it up on my own blog back in 2007 as a place to hold my articles, after I saw some websites having problems staying afloat and almost lost a few articles back then. I figure Google will be around for a few more years... or lifetimes. Of course, I thought the same about Microsoft and Yahoo and both of them recently cancelled free services that they both offered for years and years so I save a copy of each of my blogs in the event Google ever stops offering BlogSpot and blogger. Microsoft shut down their Groups late last year... they use to have groups like Yahoo Groups. Yahoo is shutting down their free GeoCities websites and tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people have personal and business websites set up on GeoCities so we're all working to find a new home for our GeoCities pages. The good news is that when a website or provider shuts down, the Wayback Internet Archives will at least have saved a copy of each page that has been up for any length of time... long enough so the Wayback crawler will have crawled the page. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started n/p bill they seam to be fine there eating and swimming the only one acting weird is my clown loach. does not stop swimming from one side of the tank to the oder --- On Sat, 5/9/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:37 PM Sorry, I do not mean to butt in here but I think \\Steve/ / would also like to know, aside from the water description. How are the fish doing? Swimming normally? Near the surface? Exhibit any sort of stress at all?  These are also important factors to solving a water problem. Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:15 PM > Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost > cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is > happening. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, > biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > white cloudinest > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG > poppa > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and > all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the > hobby. > >   > > I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my > 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart > double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had > to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i > went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer > media. > >   > > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it > goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my > water in the peremeters are as follows, > >   > > Ph 7.2 > > Nitrate 20 > > Nitrite 0 > > amonia 1.0 > > KH 0 > > hardness very soft water > > gh 10 > >   > > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter > from walmart. > >   > > what do you guys think? > >   > > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test > strips

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40255	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

Lenny the reason i change the filter was due too the old filter i had on was not filtering the water correctly i think was all coming out of the reservoir. (newbie)..lol --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:25 PM The goldfish are much hardier than a clown loach so the ammonia level (and other ecological things happening in the water) is likely affecting him much worse than the goldfish. When you took out the old filter cartridge and filter, you disrupted the ecology of your tank so now it has to come back into balance so you'll see the white cloudiness, you could get algae growth, fish could get stressed and/or sick, etc. The filter system is one of the most important parts of the tank's ecology and the instructions that come with filters leave much to be desired when talking about this. Many manufacturers are more about trying to sell filter cartridges than making the tank the best it can be for the fish. It's why I wrote my article many years ago on a couple of other forums before setting it up on my own blog back in 2007 as a place to hold my articles, after I saw some websites having problems staying afloat and almost lost a few articles back then. I figure Google will be around for a few more years... or lifetimes. Of course, I thought the same about Microsoft and Yahoo and both of them recently cancelled free services that they both offered for years and years so I save a copy of each of my blogs in the event Google ever stops offering BlogSpot and blogger. Microsoft shut down their Groups late last year... they use to have groups like Yahoo Groups. Yahoo is shutting down their free GeoCities websites and tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people have personal and business websites set up on GeoCities so we're all working to find a new home for our GeoCities pages. The good news is that when a website or provider shuts down, the Wayback Internet Archives will at least have saved a copy of each page that has been up for any length of time... long enough so the Wayback crawler will have crawled the page. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:05 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started n/p bill they seam to be fine there eating and swimming the only one acting weird is my clown loach. does not stop swimming from one side of the tank to the oder --- On Sat, 5/9/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:37 PM Sorry, I do not mean to butt in here but I think \\Steve/ / would also like to know, aside from the water description. How are the fish doing? Swimming normally? Near the surface? Exhibit any sort of stress at all?  These are also important factors to solving a water problem. Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:15 PM > Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost > cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is > happening. > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, > biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > white cloudinest > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG > poppa > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and > all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the > hobby. > >   > > I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my > 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart > double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had > to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i > went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer > media. > >   > > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it > goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my > water in the peremeters are as follows, > >   > > Ph 7.2 > > Nitrate 20 > > Nitrite 0 > > amonia 1.0 > > KH 0 > > hardness very soft water > > gh 10 > >   > > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter > from walmart. > >   > > what do you guys think? > >   > > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test > strips [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40256	From: bill1433	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

If the fishes are fine then it might just be a bacteria problem. You could have thrown a mini-cycle changing filters and or too much media at one time. Changing to a new filter? Take your old media and rise in old tank water and then put it into your new filter for a while to give the bacteria a chance to grow and move into their new home so to speak. If you remember back just a bit I just did the very same thing and then to make matters worse, I started changing a lot of water too boot! The cloudyness went away by itself as soon as I stopped playing in the water. Bacteria do not like all of those changes at once. Do your regular PWC's but keep an eye on the ammonia levels just in case but you should be fine. Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:04 PM > > n/p bill > they seam to be fine there eating and swimming the only one > acting weird is my clown loach. does not stop swimming from > one side of the tank to the oder > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > wrote: > > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on > getting started > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >     >             >             > > >       >       > > Sorry, > > > > I do not mean to butt in here but I think \\Steve/ / would > also like to know, > > aside from the water description. How are the fish doing? > Swimming normally? Near the surface? Exhibit any sort of > stress at all?  These are also important factors to solving > a water problem. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, greychildren <greychildren@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie and need advise on > getting started > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:15 PM > > > Sorry steve its white cloudy u almost > > > cant see the fish in the tank..i dunno why this is > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, > > > biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > white cloudinest > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo > <steve@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise > on > > > getting started > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please describe the cloudiness. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > biG > > > poppa > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise > on > > > getting started > > > > > > > > First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve > and > > > all on the help you guys provide for us who are new > to the > > > hobby. > > > >   > > > > I have some issue with one of my tanks > corently..my > > > 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the > walmart > > > double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i > had > > > to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. > so i > > > went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded > filtrer > > > media. > > > >   > > > > The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. > it > > > goes away some and them comes back in full force i > test my > > > water in the peremeters are as follows, > > > >   > > > > Ph 7.2 > > > > Nitrate 20 > > > > Nitrite 0 > > > > amonia 1.0 > > > > KH 0 > > > > hardness very soft water > > > > gh 10 > > > >   > > > > I'm thinking i may have to return to the old > filter > > > from walmart. > > > >   > > > > what do you guys think? > > > >   > > > > I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test > > > strips > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise > on > > > getting started > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM > > > > > > > > Since the holes are dug and if you already have > a > > > filter system (I > > > > think).... do you have a pump or water feature > > > (spitter, fountain, etc.) > > > > yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be > the > > > only thing you would > > > > need to get it set up mechanically, then some > live > > > aquatic plants. This > > > > would be a weekend job at most and after you've > set it > > > up and have the > > > > plants in place, then it's just a matter of > getting a > > > couple of goldfish > > > > (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, > unless > > > you plan on bringing > > > > them in every winter), acclimating them properly > and > > > you will be good to go. > > > > With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish > in > > > over 100G of water, you > > > > will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by > the > > > time the fish start to > > > > get bigger, where they would be more of a > bioload, > > > your filter system will > > > > be fully cycled by then and would handle the > bioload. > > > > > > > > > > > Just read my blog article on proper "Filter > > > Maintenance And Cleaning" so you > > > > do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks > still > > > do. Even in that > > > > Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in > > > another YouTube linked on > > > > that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter > pads, I > > > was cringing... or at > > > > least hoping her water source was a natural well > so > > > the chlorine wouldn't > > > > kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad > as > > > her filter pads were > > > > full of sludge, they likely had little good > bacteria > > > growing in them. > > > > Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full > of > > > sludge that they get > > > > blocked up from water flowing through them and > > > properly flushing them out > > > > more often is much better.... like flushing our > > > toilets is better than > > > > leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply > are > > > listed on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under > > > Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On > > > > Behalf Of Debbie House > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM > > > > To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise > on > > > getting started > > > > > > > > Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be > getting > > > them done this year, > > > > I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the > > > things I need for them, buy > > > > the products etc.. learn what I need in way of > the > > > fish and plants.. just > > > > want to do my homework.. they seem to not be > connected > > > together. The one > > > > Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think > that > > > is just what was > > > > designed for it as an agricultural product for > above > > > ground. > > > > They are directly under some sort of tree,, so > will > > > have to be watching > > > > those falling leaves when I get it up and > running. > > > Thank you so much for the > > > > cleaning information as that is the first step.. > Once > > > cleaned I will cover > > > > them untill ready to get started so no new rain > water > > > will fall in them > > > > ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look > for > > > the camera today. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > From: steve@familyszabo. com > > > > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise > on > > > getting started > > > > > > > > First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand > them > > > on edge and use a hard > > > > stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and > > > whatnot that may be in the > > > > "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried > mineral > > > deposit, you would > > > > use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to > remove > > > what you can. If the > > > > green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed > with > > > the water rinse, this > > > > will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let > dry > > > in the sun. To remove > > > > any harmful pathogens that may have taken up > > > residence, and remain through > > > > the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a > bleach > > > solution of about 10 parts > > > > of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with > water. > > > > > > > > Do not even think about using soap or detergent. > > > Should your "tubs" ever > > > > make it to the pond stage, the residue left would > be > > > harmful to fish and > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > However, before you go to all that work, you > should do > > > some planning. As > > > > Lenny mentioned, the size is important to > determine > > > what may be suitable to > > > > house in your new pond. (You can give the > measurements > > > in feet if you want, > > > > I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears > to > > > <g>.) Also mention the > > > > shape you have--rectangular, circular, or > another > > > shape. Are the two units > > > > designed to fit together to make a connecting > series > > > of ponds? Are you sure > > > > these are Rubbermaid products, or another > product, > > > that Rubbermaid is just > > > > being used as a generic description? > > > > > > > > Another decision you will need to make is whether > you > > > will be placing these > > > > on the ground or in the ground. You may be better > off > > > to place them in the > > > > ground, sine the containers will hold their > shape, and > > > you will have > > > > marginally lower temperatures (since by > definition, > > > these containers are not > > > > very deep). > > > > > > > > You also need to consider where in your yard you > will > > > place these. To do > > > > well with plantings, they generally need at least > 4-6 > > > hours of direct > > > > sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least > 6. > > > This, of course, makes > > > > things interesting from the standpoint of algae > > > control. > > > > > > > > This is just a start. Get back to us with the > > > information requested, and > > > > your ideas based on what we have talked about so > far, > > > and we can continue > > > > the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in > the > > > season to start this sort > > > > of project, but we will be able to muddle through > it > > > with you. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > > > > On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on > > > getting started > > > > > > > > I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They > are > > > drained out.. now how > > > > do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of > scale, > > > dead birds ,leaves, > > > > green yuck. After that advise how do I make them > into > > > ponds. Equipment > > > > needed to maintain them? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40257	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Five Plan DualClean filter

A little Googling found a website narrative mentioning for "GEX Corporation / Five Plan Corporation ... Aquarium Filter" on this page http://www.aquapetdirectory.com/Company.asp?BigClassName=AQUA and then a scroll down that page found a link to GEX at http://www.gex-fp.co.jp/english/ and a quick look at that site showed a link to "Aquarium Fish Commodity Catalogs 2005 version" (strange name but it's a PDF document catalog at this next link). http://www.gex-fp.co.jp/english/pdf/fish.pdf If you scroll 1/2 way down, you'll see the Dual Clean 600. It actually looks like a nice sized HOB type filter, that works on the trickle filter system, which is a very good filter system. It looks like it sucks up water on one end, then runs it horizontally across the top of the filter reservoir into a drip pan so that the water drips down through the various filter layers and out the waterfall on the other end... or the bottom?? Can't quite tell. It looks like they sell a "Dual Mat" polypad type mechanical/biological filter media and a "Clean Bio" ceramic biological filtration media. Judging from what I can see in the image in this catalog... and they also mention carbon. I would probably get some of this... http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=4231& which can be cut to fit and put one or more layers with the white side on top since it's the coarser part of the blue/white pad. You could use some Biomax or other ceramic type biological filter media but it's not necessary since the surface area of the blue/white pad also provides lots of surface area for nitrifying bacteria. I do NOT use specialized biological filtration media in any of my filters except for my AquaClear's and that's only because AC's come with some Biomax. If it didn't come with the Biomax, I wouldn't run it in them either. I think multiple levels of mechanical filtration provide more mechanical filtration and also provide plenty of surface area for biological filtration colonies. By have multiple layers, you could clean the top layer (which will catch the majority of the detritus) good every week or more often if the bioload of the tank dictates it. Then for the next layer or two down, just squeeze/rinse in some removed tank water to clean the detritus while leaving the majority of the nitrifying bacteria alive and replace that/those layers in the filter before putting the well-cleaned layer on top to start collecting detritus again. If you wanted to use chemical filtration (like carbon), I would go with Purigen instead... one or more of the 100ml packets which come in their own filter media bags. If there is room for more than two packets of Purigen and you wanted to add a small packet of Biomax, that would be OK but not necessary for either the Purigen or Biomax. Purigen does help for heavily stocked tanks by removing more of the DOC's between the weekly PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter maintenance. Recapping... you could lay the Purigen and Biomax down on the bottom of the filter reservoir first, then put two or more layers of the blue/white padding and crank it up. I also wonder if the drip pan might not catch a lot of detritus and the drip pan holes might get clogged up so you'll have to keep an eye on that and rinse it off frequently or as needed... definitely with the weekly PWC's and filter maintenance. I hope it works for you but at least the media I'm recommending above can be used in any other filter system. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Five Plan DualClean filter I just purchased a used aquarium and filter. The filter is called a DualClean 600 by Five Plan (the aquarium is Five Plan also). I've never seen one quite like it. It sits on top of the tank behind the light. It is the length of the tank. (only a 15 gallon) The fellow purchased it in Japan and said it worked fine. I can't find information on the filter. I wondered if anyone has tried one and how well it works. He was using a filter pad that he cut to size since he could not find the type it came with, and a bag of charcoal. I was wondering if I could also use some bio balls? Thanks for reading. Laurie_,___

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40258	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: More Antibiotic Dosages

I think both my logic and my math are correct but there is a HUGE discrepancy in dosages. 100% nitrofurazone http://www.novalek.com/aquavet/nitrofurazone.htm says: 34.0mg to 94.6mg per gallon so using the "middle figure" of 64.3mg per gallon comes to... 2.7grams per dose for my 55gal tank that actually holds about 42gal of water. That's about half a teaspoon. BiFuran+ is 80% nitrofurazone and 20% furazolidone http://www.uskoi.com/bifuran+.htm says: use 1 capful (~9.7g) per 10 gallons of water. So for 42gal of water, it's telling me to use 4 capfuls, which comes to appx 40.75 grams, which is a little more than 7 teaspoons per dose. Whether you measure it in grams or teaspoons, 2.7g versus 40.75 or 1/2 teaspoon versus 7 teaspoons per dose is a HUGE difference. Nitrofurazone is nitrofurazone, right? Why such a HUGE difference in dosages? ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40259	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages

I looked at both links and saw this on the BiFuran+... "Ingredients: nitrofurazone and furazolidone (active ingredients); sodium cloride, synthetic polymers and a chelating agent." (I just copy/pasted this from the BiFuran+ website so they are the ones that spelled chloride wrong... not me! lol) So... it is obvious that this is NOT just 80% Nitro... and 20% Furaz... since they list other ingredients and they may be leaving out "... in an aqueous solution" which means it's watered down. I'm not saying it is, but without seeing a proper listing of ingredients, it's hard to tell but since the ingredients mention "sodium chloride (a/k/a salt), synthetic polymers (plastics??) and a chelating agent.", I would strongly suspect that all three of these ingredients along with the main two are all in a base solution of some kind.... probably that elusive "aqueous solution" that makes up the majority of 99% of stuff that we buy for ourselves and our pets. If you want to be sure, contact each company and get the MSDS sheets on each product. MSDS means Material Safety Data Sheet and it will list the ingredients and what percentage of each, as well as any inert ingredients like "an aqueous solution" (aka watered down). You can email Hikari at mailto:fish@... and ask them for the MSDS or the "real" ingredients. This could be why you would have to use a LOT more of the Aquarium Solutions BiFuran+ compared to the Aquavet Nitrofurazone which lists the only ingredient as Nitrofurazone which according to an MSDS (from another site) and the Aquavet "label" if you enlarge the page, is "...2-[(5-Nitro-2-furanyl)methylene]hydrazinecarboxamide; Chemical Formula: C6H6N4O4 ..." but there is also a chance that this is watered down in the Aquavet product.. maybe not just watered down as much as the BiFuran+ so that is why it appears to not need as much for treatment. I did a little more Googling and found that Hikari makes BiFuran+ and it's on sale at ThatPetPlace.com http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/240590/product.web for $7.99. They do NOT have an MSDS on their site either. It's a shame more online retailers can't do what WalMart.com has done where they have an entire section dedicated to copies of the MSDS for many of the products they sell. This is especially true when a manufacturer of the product doesn't even do it. Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (API) has the MSDS for every product they sell right on their site as well. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] More Antibiotic Dosages I think both my logic and my math are correct but there is a HUGE discrepancy in dosages. 100% nitrofurazone http://www.novalek.com/aquavet/nitrofurazone.htm says: 34.0mg to 94.6mg per gallon so using the "middle figure" of 64.3mg per gallon comes to... 2.7grams per dose for my 55gal tank that actually holds about 42gal of water. That's about half a teaspoon. BiFuran+ is 80% nitrofurazone and 20% furazolidone http://www.uskoi.com/bifuran+.htm says: use 1 capful (~9.7g) per 10 gallons of water. So for 42gal of water, it's telling me to use 4 capfuls, which comes to appx 40.75 grams, which is a little more than 7 teaspoons per dose. Whether you measure it in grams or teaspoons, 2.7g versus 40.75 or 1/2 teaspoon versus 7 teaspoons per dose is a HUGE difference. Nitrofurazone is nitrofurazone, right? Why such a HUGE difference in dosages? ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40260	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Dr. Tim

Especially for Jimmy who asked. Found it! Here's the website: www.drtimsaquatics.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40261	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Newbie and need advise on getting started

This has already been said, but, if you simply changed filters, taking the old one off while starting the new one, Along with your ammonia level, you have started a new cycle, and are seeing a bacterial bloom. Even if the old one did not seem to be working properly, leaving it on to give the new one time to become a habitat for your nitrification bacteria would have been one way to go. Moving at least some of the media to the new filter for a time also would have provided some bacteria to start the new colony in the new filter. You are going to need to ride this thing out now, though it may not take quite as long to complete the cycle as it did when you first started the tank. Later in this thread, you stated that you have a clown loach who seems to be having trouble with the water conditions. Though it is normally recommended that water changes are not done, the level of your ammonia, and the deportment of the clown loach would indicate that a 25% water change would be helpful to reduce the amount of your ammonia, and to ease the discomfort of the clown loach. If you normally clean the substrate while doing a water change, I would not do so until your tank is back into the cycle. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started white cloudinest --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: From: Steve Szabo <steve@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 4:53 PM Please describe the cloudiness. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:45 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First i will like to thank you Lenny,Bill,steve and all on the help you guys provide for us who are new to the hobby.   I have some issue with one of my tanks corently..my 40g tank i change the hang on back filter from the walmart double sided one to a Cascade 300 about 3 weeks ago. i had to replace the black mesh filter on the cascade one. so i went to my lfs and purchase a piece of pond graded filtrer media.   The issue is my tank cloudyness wouint go away.. it goes away some and them comes back in full force i test my water in the peremeters are as follows,   Ph 7.2 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 amonia 1.0 KH 0 hardness very soft water gh 10   I'm thinking i may have to return to the old filter from walmart.   what do you guys think?   I used watleys PH test kid and jungle multi test strips --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:34 PM Since the holes are dug and if you already have a filter system (I think).... do you have a pump or water feature (spitter, fountain, etc.) yet? If you do not have a pump yet, that would be the only thing you would need to get it set up mechanically, then some live aquatic plants. This would be a weekend job at most and after you've set it up and have the plants in place, then it's just a matter of getting a couple of goldfish (long-bodied feeder type goldfish, not fancies, unless you plan on bringing them in every winter), acclimating them properly and you will be good to go. With a lot of live plants and only two goldfish in over 100G of water, you will not have any nitrogen cycle issues and by the time the fish start to get bigger, where they would be more of a bioload, your filter system will be fully cycled by then and would handle the bioload. Just read my blog article on proper "Filter Maintenance And Cleaning" so you do not "over-clean" your filters as many folks still do. Even in that Youtube link I sent you about the DIY filter, in another YouTube linked on that page, I saw a lady hosing off the filter pads, I was cringing... or at least hoping her water source was a natural well so the chlorine wouldn't kill off all the good bacteria. Of course, as bad as her filter pads were full of sludge, they likely had little good bacteria growing in them. Filters should NEVER be allowed to get so full of sludge that they get blocked up from water flowing through them and properly flushing them out more often is much better.... like flushing our toilets is better than leaving the waste in them for weeks at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Debbie House Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:48 AM To: aquaticlife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started Yes, the holes are already dug.. I will not be getting them done this year, I need to get them cleaned,. learn about all the things I need for them, buy the products etc.. learn what I need in way of the fish and plants.. just want to do my homework.. they seem to not be connected together. The one Rubbermaid one does have a drain plug,, but think that is just what was designed for it as an agricultural product for above ground. They are directly under some sort of tree,, so will have to be watching those falling leaves when I get it up and running. Thank you so much for the cleaning information as that is the first step.. Once cleaned I will cover them untill ready to get started so no new rain water will fall in them ..Pictures will be my best source.. I will look for the camera today. Debbie To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com From: steve@familyszabo. com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started First thing, toward cleaning, would be to stand them on edge and use a hard stream from a hose to remove all loose dirt and whatnot that may be in the "tubs". For the scale, which is probably dried mineral deposit, you would use vinegar, a rough cloth, and elbow grease to remove what you can. If the green yuck (probably dried algae) was not removed with the water rinse, this will also remove that. Rinse with water, and let dry in the sun. To remove any harmful pathogens that may have taken up residence, and remain through the cleaning so far, wipe them down with a bleach solution of about 10 parts of water to 1 part of bleach. Rinse well with water. Do not even think about using soap or detergent. Should your "tubs" ever make it to the pond stage, the residue left would be harmful to fish and plants. However, before you go to all that work, you should do some planning. As Lenny mentioned, the size is important to determine what may be suitable to house in your new pond. (You can give the measurements in feet if you want, I have no problem with that, like Lenny appears to <g>.) Also mention the shape you have--rectangular, circular, or another shape. Are the two units designed to fit together to make a connecting series of ponds? Are you sure these are Rubbermaid products, or another product, that Rubbermaid is just being used as a generic description? Another decision you will need to make is whether you will be placing these on the ground or in the ground. You may be better off to place them in the ground, sine the containers will hold their shape, and you will have marginally lower temperatures (since by definition, these containers are not very deep). You also need to consider where in your yard you will place these. To do well with plantings, they generally need at least 4-6 hours of direct sunlight, with most water lilies needing at least 6. This, of course, makes things interesting from the standpoint of algae control. This is just a start. Get back to us with the information requested, and your ideas based on what we have talked about so far, and we can continue the discussion. Naturally, it is a bit late in the season to start this sort of project, but we will be able to muddle through it with you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of genealogyresearcher 7 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie and need advise on getting started I have inherited two Rubbermaid fish ponds. They are drained out.. now how do I proceed to clean them ,, they were full of scale, dead birds ,leaves, green yuck. After that advise how do I make them into ponds. Equipment needed to maintain them? I would like to see the oriental theme in them. Any help would be appreciated. I am a total novice on this subject. I live in Texas. Thank you. Debbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40262	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Five Plan DualClean filter

I got a lot of hits on Google, mostly in Japanese, and going through several, I did not find anything that may answer your question, but going along you may find the answer. I used "Dual Clean 600" WITH the quotes for my search term. If nothing else, you should enjoy the translations Google offers for the mutilated Engrish. (See www.engrish.com for an explanation) \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Murphy Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Five Plan DualClean filter I just purchased a used aquarium and filter. The filter is called a DualClean 600 by Five Plan (the aquarium is Five Plan also). I've never seen one quite like it. It sits on top of the tank behind the light. It is the length of the tank. (only a 15 gallon) The fellow purchased it in Japan and said it worked fine. I can't find information on the filter. I wondered if anyone has tried one and how well it works. He was using a filter pad that he cut to size since he could not find the type it came with, and a bag of charcoal. I was wondering if I could also use some bio balls? Thanks for reading. Laurie_,___

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40263	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages

The link I provided is for 100% pure nitrofurazone. The Bifuran+ not only contains the two active ingredients in an 80/20 ratio, but it also contains fillers, so you are not even close to looking at a one to one comparison of the two products. When you need to treat your fish with drugs, it is very important that you follow the directions that come with your purchase, and not some general instructions found somewhere else explaining the use of the drug. The directions that come with the drug are tailored for the proper dosage that is needed to effect a cure with that particular product. If the directions are not clear to you, look for another brand of the needed drug that does give a clear dosage per treatment. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] More Antibiotic Dosages I think both my logic and my math are correct but there is a HUGE discrepancy in dosages. 100% nitrofurazone http://www.novalek.com/aquavet/nitrofurazone.htm says: 34.0mg to 94.6mg per gallon so using the "middle figure" of 64.3mg per gallon comes to... 2.7grams per dose for my 55gal tank that actually holds about 42gal of water. That's about half a teaspoon. BiFuran+ is 80% nitrofurazone and 20% furazolidone http://www.uskoi.com/bifuran+.htm says: use 1 capful (~9.7g) per 10 gallons of water. So for 42gal of water, it's telling me to use 4 capfuls, which comes to appx 40.75 grams, which is a little more than 7 teaspoons per dose. Whether you measure it in grams or teaspoons, 2.7g versus 40.75 or 1/2 teaspoon versus 7 teaspoons per dose is a HUGE difference. Nitrofurazone is nitrofurazone, right? Why such a HUGE difference in dosages? ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40264	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

numbers are still the same as yesterday ammonia 0.50 Ph 6.6 no2 0 no3 20 In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:49:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: As previously stated, there's no reason to do a 25% PWC unless or until the ammonia or nitrite reach the 1.0ppm level. With your pH, an ammonia level of 1.0ppm is not even close to being toxic, but the good bacteria that you are trying to grow do need some ammonia in the tank in order to grow their colonies. They will only grow if there is a source of ammonia... and then nitrites. There's also no need to do more than 25% at a time... especially since we do not know your tap water baseline yet. 25% PWC's is a good safe number for most fish keepers. Changing too much more could cause shock issues if the tap water parameters are a lot different than the tank water paramters. If you need to do more than 25%, then it's best to do one 25% PWC, then wait a couple of hours, then do another. Unless there is an emergency contamination (soap, air spray, some other household cleaner or poison), I would never do a large water change. If it's just dirty water from lack of maintenance, then it's best to do a series of smaller PWC's since the fish slowly acclimated to that dirty water so they need to be slowly acclimated back to clean water to avoid shocking the fish with pH or osmotic shock issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:27 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 2no3 2no3 20..........<WBR>.........<WBR>. should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, __http://DrTimsAquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40265	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages

> Steve Szabo wrote: > > The link I provided is for 100% pure nitrofurazone. > The Bifuran+ not only contains the two active ingredients > in an 80/20 ratio, but it also contains fillers > Thanks, Steve and Larry! You have been VERY helpful! Obviously, fillers never crossed my mind. (Duy...) Yes, I WILL follow the directions of whatever I find and select. I have complied a short list of products that seem to be suitable for what's going on in my tank and I hope I'll be able to find one of them locally instead of having to order and wait for it via the web. Returning to package contents to answer my original question... Using Bifuran+ as my example, "treats 100 gallons" is a rough estimate. 3.4oz is 100grams and at appx 50grams (5 capfuls) per dose for a 55gal tank, I would need two packages to treat my tank for the recommended 4 doses in 7 days. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40266	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I'm glad to see things are starting to stabilize but you will still need to test every day or so and do PWC's as needed if the ammonia/nitrite get to the 1.0ppm mark. Once they are both showing up as 0.0ppm for two days in a row, you can then feel pretty certain that your cycling issue has resolved and then you can go back to your weekly tank maintenance with a LOT more knowledge about how the ecology of your tank works and how to do proper filter maintenance, compared to a week or so ago. I know you've talked about having live plants before. Do you have any now? If yes, what kind and how many? They will also help with keeping the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels lower. How is the fish doing? Is it back to it's normal self? Common goldfish are pretty hardy compared to fancy goldfish so other than the initial shock from the big water change and the filter change all at once, it should recover fully... if the initial shock/stress did not cause secondary health issues. Since you've been keeping the ammonia at 1.0ppm or less, that low level of ammonia with your low pH shouldn't really affect the goldfish, especially after a few days where the goldfish should now be use to a little ammonia in their water. I compare it to how we acclimate to a malodorous smell in a room, where we don't really smell it after a few seconds/minutes or so... but the smell is still there for someone new walking into the room. BTW.. I was talking about cigarette smoke, not a methane gas release from them beans you had for dinner. ;-) I know how some people think! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish numbers are still the same as yesterday ammonia 0.50 Ph 6.6 no2 0 no3 20 In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:49:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: As previously stated, there's no reason to do a 25% PWC unless or until the ammonia or nitrite reach the 1.0ppm level. With your pH, an ammonia level of 1.0ppm is not even close to being toxic, but the good bacteria that you are trying to grow do need some ammonia in the tank in order to grow their colonies. They will only grow if there is a source of ammonia... and then nitrites. There's also no need to do more than 25% at a time... especially since we do not know your tap water baseline yet. 25% PWC's is a good safe number for most fish keepers. Changing too much more could cause shock issues if the tap water parameters are a lot different than the tank water paramters. If you need to do more than 25%, then it's best to do one 25% PWC, then wait a couple of hours, then do another. Unless there is an emergency contamination (soap, air spray, some other household cleaner or poison), I would never do a large water change. If it's just dirty water from lack of maintenance, then it's best to do a series of smaller PWC's since the fish slowly acclimated to that dirty water so they need to be slowly acclimated back to clean water to avoid shocking the fish with pH or osmotic shock issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:27 PM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 2no3 2no3 20..........<WBR>.........<WBR>. should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, __http://DrTimsAquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40267	From: jan1213@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

I am testing 2 times a day now, I have some plants I need to get more...........I will list later she is doing okay......she is most active when I am not in the room or late at night...she sure loves to be fed. I need to get another tank for her but I cannot right now,,,,,,,,that is 1st on my list. In a message dated 5/10/2009 10:59:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I'm glad to see things are starting to stabilize but you will still need to test every day or so and do PWC's as needed if the ammonia/nitrite get to the 1.0ppm mark. Once they are both showing up as 0.0ppm for two days in a row, you can then feel pretty certain that your cycling issue has resolved and then you can go back to your weekly tank maintenance with a LOT more knowledge about how the ecology of your tank works and how to do proper filter maintenance, compared to a week or so ago. I know you've talked about having live plants before. Do you have any now? If yes, what kind and how many? They will also help with keeping the ammonia/nitrite/ammonia/nitrite/<WBR> How is the fish doing? Is it back to it's normal self? Common goldfish are pretty hardy compared to fancy goldfish so other than the initial shock from the big water change and the filter change all at once, it should recover fully... if the initial shock/stress did not cause secondary health issues. Since you've been keeping the ammonia at 1.0ppm or less, that low level of ammonia with your low pH shouldn't really affect the goldfish, especially after a few days where the goldfish should now be use to a little ammonia in their water. I compare it to how we acclimate to a malodorous smell in a room, where we don't really smell it after a few seconds/minutes or so... but the smell is still there for someone new walking into the room. BTW.. I was talking about cigarette smoke, not a methane gas release from them beans you had for dinner. ;-) I know how some people think! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:45 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish numbers are still the same as yesterday ammonia 0.50 Ph 6.6 no2 0 no3 20 In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:49:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: As previously stated, there's no reason to do a 25% PWC unless or until the ammonia or nitrite reach the 1.0ppm level. With your pH, an ammonia level of 1.0ppm is not even close to being toxic, but the good bacteria that you are trying to grow do need some ammonia in the tank in order to grow their colonies. They will only grow if there is a source of ammonia... and then nitrites. There's also no need to do more than 25% at a time... especially since we do not know your tap water baseline yet. 25% PWC's is a good safe number for most fish keepers. Changing too much more could cause shock issues if the tap water parameters are a lot different than the tank water paramters. If you need to do more than 25%, then it's best to do one 25% PWC, then wait a couple of hours, then do another. Unless there is an emergency contamination (soap, air spray, some other household cleaner or poison), I would never do a large water change. If it's just dirty water from lack of maintenance, then it's best to do a series of smaller PWC's since the fish slowly acclimated to that dirty water so they need to be slowly acclimated back to clean water to avoid shocking the fish with pH or osmotic shock issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:27 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 20..........<WBR>no3 2no3 <WBR>........<<WBR> should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, ___http://DrTimsAquatihttp://D_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp//_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp:/_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) ) (__http://drtimsaquatihttp://d_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp//_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_) (_http://goldlenny.http://goldl_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) ) (__http://goldlenny.http://goldlen_ (http://goldlenny.http//gohttp_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AquaticLife@<WBR>From: From: _AquatFrom: (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) [mailto:_Aquati cLif[mailto:_[mailto:_Aqua[mailto:_Aquatic[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@... Of __j__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) ) _ (mailto:__jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:40 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticLife@<WBR>To: _AquaticTo: To: _AquaticLifTo: _ (mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Subject: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish Did another water test this morn ammonia 1.0 it was .025 yesterday ph 6.6 has not changed no2 .0.00../0.25 this went up no3 10 same as yesterday I did a water PWC again my fish looks healthy but she isn't as active, still eats, I am feeding her a lot smaller portions but a more times could she be in some kind of depression if they get that? In a message dated 5/6/2009 2:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@__GoldLenny@<WBR>gmail.__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) ) _ (mailto:__GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) ) writes: A 46G tank is OK for a single goldfish but a Comet goldfish can get pretty big... **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40268	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: More Antibiotic Dosages

If you are ordering the nitrofurazone from an online store, do not forget to calculate the usage with any water changes that may be required. With the instructions I found for the Bifuran+ product, it appears that they are requiring another full dose every 24 hours, but recommend a complete or partial water change prior to retreatment. That, to me raises the question of whether I would need to just treat the new water, or use the full dosage again, which would seem, to me, to be increasing the amount of the drug available in the water column, which may not be the best thing for your fish and other living things in the aquarium. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: More Antibiotic Dosages > Steve Szabo wrote: > > The link I provided is for 100% pure nitrofurazone. > The Bifuran+ not only contains the two active ingredients > in an 80/20 ratio, but it also contains fillers > Thanks, Steve and Larry! You have been VERY helpful! Obviously, fillers never crossed my mind. (Duy...) Yes, I WILL follow the directions of whatever I find and select. I have complied a short list of products that seem to be suitable for what's going on in my tank and I hope I'll be able to find one of them locally instead of having to order and wait for it via the web. Returning to package contents to answer my original question... Using Bifuran+ as my example, "treats 100 gallons" is a rough estimate. 3.4oz is 100grams and at appx 50grams (5 capfuls) per dose for a 55gal tank, I would need two packages to treat my tank for the recommended 4 doses in 7 days. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40269	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Comet goldfish

While a bigger tank would certainly be helpful, if she's been in that tank for a long time, there's a good chance she is stunted and will not grow any more anyhow. The main thing you can and should do while you do have her in that tank is to stick to a good and frequent regimen of 25% PWC's, gravel vacuuming and proper filter maintenance. I would do it at least once a week at a minimum but if your test results show the nitrates climbing too high in between weekly tank maintenance, then you might have to do it more frequently. I have two fancy goldfish and a 3" clown pleco in a 65G and I have to do weekly maintenance. If I tried to go two weeks, I can see a noticeable deterioration of the water quality. I used to try to alternate filter maintenance, doing only one filter each week so that would mean two weeks between maintenance on the same filter but I found this isn't good either as they start to build up too much detritus in them so now I do filter maintenance on both filters each week. It's just something that has to be done... like changing the diaper on a baby when it's dirty or flushing our toilets when they have waste in them. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jan1213@... Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish I am testing 2 times a day now, I have some plants I need to get more...........I will list later she is doing okay......she is most active when I am not in the room or late at night...she sure loves to be fed. I need to get another tank for her but I cannot right now,,,,,,,,that is 1st on my list. In a message dated 5/10/2009 10:59:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GoldLenny@... writes: I'm glad to see things are starting to stabilize but you will still need to test every day or so and do PWC's as needed if the ammonia/nitrite get to the 1.0ppm mark. Once they are both showing up as 0.0ppm for two days in a row, you can then feel pretty certain that your cycling issue has resolved and then you can go back to your weekly tank maintenance with a LOT more knowledge about how the ecology of your tank works and how to do proper filter maintenance, compared to a week or so ago. I know you've talked about having live plants before. Do you have any now? If yes, what kind and how many? They will also help with keeping the ammonia/nitrite/ammonia/nitrite/<WBR> How is the fish doing? Is it back to it's normal self? Common goldfish are pretty hardy compared to fancy goldfish so other than the initial shock from the big water change and the filter change all at once, it should recover fully... if the initial shock/stress did not cause secondary health issues. Since you've been keeping the ammonia at 1.0ppm or less, that low level of ammonia with your low pH shouldn't really affect the goldfish, especially after a few days where the goldfish should now be use to a little ammonia in their water. I compare it to how we acclimate to a malodorous smell in a room, where we don't really smell it after a few seconds/minutes or so... but the smell is still there for someone new walking into the room. BTW.. I was talking about cigarette smoke, not a methane gas release from them beans you had for dinner. ;-) I know how some people think! LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - _http://GoldLenny.http://Gohtt_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:45 AM To: _AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish numbers are still the same as yesterday ammonia 0.50 Ph 6.6 no2 0 no3 20 In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:49:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) writes: As previously stated, there's no reason to do a 25% PWC unless or until the ammonia or nitrite reach the 1.0ppm level. With your pH, an ammonia level of 1.0ppm is not even close to being toxic, but the good bacteria that you are trying to grow do need some ammonia in the tank in order to grow their colonies. They will only grow if there is a source of ammonia... and then nitrites. There's also no need to do more than 25% at a time... especially since we do not know your tap water baseline yet. 25% PWC's is a good safe number for most fish keepers. Changing too much more could cause shock issues if the tap water parameters are a lot different than the tank water paramters. If you need to do more than 25%, then it's best to do one 25% PWC, then wait a couple of hours, then do another. Unless there is an emergency contamination (soap, air spray, some other household cleaner or poison), I would never do a large water change. If it's just dirty water from lack of maintenance, then it's best to do a series of smaller PWC's since the fish slowly acclimated to that dirty water so they need to be slowly acclimated back to clean water to avoid shocking the fish with pH or osmotic shock issues. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - __http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLe_ (http://goldlenny.http//Gohtt_) (_http://goldlenny.http://gohttp_ (http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/) ) (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: _AquaticLife@From: _AFrom: _Aq_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_AquaticLif[mailto:_Aquat[mailto:_Aqua_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __jan1213@aol._ja_ (mailto:_jan1213@...) _ (mailto:_jan1213@..._ (mailto:jan1213@...) ) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:27 PM To: _AquaticLife@To: _AquaticTo: _AquaticL_AquaticLife@AquaticLife@Aqu_ (mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Comet goldfish did another water test ammonia 0.50 ph 6.6 no2 0.00/.025 no3 20..........no3 20..........<WBR>no3 2no3 <WBR>........<<WBR> should I do more than the 25% In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:00:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __GoldLenny@gmail._Go_ (mailto:_GoldLenny@...) _ (mailto:_GoldLenny@..._ (mailto:GoldLenny@...) ) writes: AFAIK, fish do not suffer from depression but who knows... where's Dr. Fishfreud or Dr. GoldPhil when you need him? LOL It's the water chemistry and the abrupt change that you made when you did the massive filter cleaning and full water change. Since she's made it this long, shock should no longer be an issue so she should fully recover but the "cycling" issue (ammonia and now nitrites starting to show up) is affecting her. Keep up with the testing and using the Prime or Ammo-lock and pinch of salt per 10G to protect her from permanent damage from ammonia or nitrite poisoning and as soon as your tank is fully cycled again, she should be back to her normal self. Right now, she's having to breathe in ammonia and nitrite with every breath so she's not enjoying it but it's not at toxic levels. You do need to let the ammonia get up and stay around the 0.5 to 1.0 mark though. You need the ammonia to feed the bacteria and then those bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then the nitrite eating bacteria convert it into nitrate. My A to Z page, near the top, has a good full-length article on "Cycling With Fish" for more details of the process and what needs to be done. Have you done your tap water tests yet? I'm curious if the 10ppm of nitrate is coming right from your tap water or if your tank is showing some signs of cycling. I hope the nitrate is from the cycling so at least we know you will only be seeing a mini-cycle instead of a full-blown 4-8 week cycling period. If the nitrate is from your tap water, then you might want to order the Dr. Tim's One And Only so you're not stuck with doing constant testing and PWC's for this entire 4-8 week period. Dr. Tim's would get the tank cycled almost instantly. DO NOT do any kind of filter maintenance on your bio-wheels right now and ONLY do proper filter maintenance on your cartridges..ONLY do proper filter m rinsing/squeezing/rinsing/squeezinri<WBR>flushing them in some removed tank majority of the detritus without killing any of your good bacteria. Once your tank is fully cycled again, then you can decide if you want to go back to buying replacement cartridges and changing 1 or 2 (of the four) at a time but DO NOT over clean your bio-wheels ever again. They are designed to hold the majority of the good bacteria in a bio-wheel filter system. BTW... Dr. Tim also invented the Bio-Wheel and Bio-Spira, when he was the Chief Scientist with Marineland. Now, he's on his own with his own company, ___http://DrTimsAquatihttp://D_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp//_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp:/_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp/_) ) (__http://drtimsaquatihttp://d_ (http://drtimsaquatihttp//_) (_http://drtimsaquatihttp://_ (http://drtimsaquatics.com/) ) ) and one of his main products is Dr. Tim's One And Only, the next generation product to replace the original Bio-Spira. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - ___http://GoldLenny.http://GoldLen_ (http://goldlenny.http//GoldLe_)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40270	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Antibiotic Treatment

I went to my local pet shop/fish store cos I trust the guy who works there (the owners are snippy but he's great) and brought a sample of tank water with me. He asked a bunch of questions, tested the water and suggested that I start with the least expensive option for treatment that they have... some Maracyn-Two. From my reading over the weekend, I remembered that Maracyn-Two is gram-negative and asked if I'd be better off with a different gram-positive antibiotic due to the SRBs in our well water (a very common water problem in this area.) "Dan the Man" asked how my nitrite levels usually are. Never a problem when I test. So he shook his head no. "If they were your problem your nitrites would be high. Your tank just picked up a bug." So hopefully, my tank and my fish are on the road to recovery. Thanks again for all your good advice and "angst therapy." :o) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40271	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

I was drawing a temporary blank on what SRB's were so I did a quick Google to refresh my morning brain... lol See this article which discusses ways to reduce your SRB's (Sulfate Reducing Bacteria) which cause the "rotten egg" smell in some well water systems. http://www.herald-dispatch.com/life/homes/x1875267881/Several-options-can-ri d-well-water-of-rotten-egg-smell I do not ever recall nitrites being related to SRB's though, since the majority of the nitrites that we deal with in aquaria are related to the nitrogen cycle and the three primary bacteria (nitrospira, nitrosospira, nitrosomonas) that convert ammonia to nitrates. I'm not sure why "Dan the man" asked about nitrites and SRB's. "Dan the man" may be correct in advising Maracyn Two as the majority of the bacterial infections that affect our fish are gram-negative. Pandora's Disease page recommends Maracyn as one treatment option for Columnaris infections which you mentioned as being the most likely diagnosis in your first post. Here is her page, as archived in the Wayback Internet Archives since the original site shut down a year or so ago. http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease. html Scroll about 1/3rd down to the section on "Bacterial External Infections" and see the photos and information and any other links for more info... especially the longer articles mentioned in the "Other Notes" section on the right of that row. Let us know how things progress. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Antibiotic Treatment I went to my local pet shop/fish store cos I trust the guy who works there (the owners are snippy but he's great) and brought a sample of tank water with me. He asked a bunch of questions, tested the water and suggested that I start with the least expensive option for treatment that they have... some Maracyn-Two. From my reading over the weekend, I remembered that Maracyn-Two is gram-negative and asked if I'd be better off with a different gram-positive antibiotic due to the SRBs in our well water (a very common water problem in this area.) "Dan the Man" asked how my nitrite levels usually are. Never a problem when I test. So he shook his head no. "If they were your problem your nitrites would be high. Your tank just picked up a bug." So hopefully, my tank and my fish are on the road to recovery. Thanks again for all your good advice and "angst therapy." :o) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40272	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

> Lenny wrote: > > See this article which discusses ways to reduce your SRB's (Sulfate Reducing > Bacteria) which cause the "rotten egg" smell in some well water systems. > Thanks, our neighbor taught us how to shock our well (typically Memorial Day weekend) and our plumber already replaced the "rod" in our hot water heater with a non-reactive one so it won't stink. > > I do not ever recall nitrites being related to SRB's > It's long gone but I did read something about the two of them being linked over the weekend. The web site was VERY technical and WAAAAY over my head. > > I'm not sure why "Dan the man" asked about nitrites and SRB's. > *I* asked about SRBs because I was worried they were causing the plague and then he asked about my nitrite levels. Because they have always been low, he doubted SRBs were to blame. > > "Dan the man" may be correct in advising Maracyn Two as the majority of the > bacterial infections that affect our fish are gram-negative. > I kinda got the impression that gram-negative was more prevalent than gram-positive so I'm glad he recommended it. > > Columnaris infections which you mentioned as being > the most likely diagnosis in your first post. > Actually, I've decided that's NOT their problem. Yes, they have a thin velvety fuzz but it's not as "columnar" (tall) as the pictures I saw -- and those pictures don't show any bruising, which was their first symptom, and that they still have. > http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease.html > I just took a quick look but there's nothing that jumps out as being "THE" problem that my fish have. > > Let us know how things progress. > Thanks for your interest. I will. :o) I'm hopeful and confident that the antibiotics will help. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40273	From: nice6669	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: tank

i got a eclipse tank 4 free wondering how many gallons it is size is 30 long 18 hi 12 wide thank u

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40274	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: tank

For U.S. gallons, multiply the inches L x W x H, divide by 231 = U.S. Gallons so if your numbers are in inches, then it's 30 x 12 x 18 / 231 = 28.05 U.S. Gallons, commonly called a 29 Gallon tank, which has the same footprint and surface area as a 20 Gallon "Long" tank so you should stock it based on a 20G tank for smaller fish but it also makes a nice tank for an Angelfish and a few others but many other stocking options are available as well... just not Goldfish or other BIG fish. NICE JOB IN GETTING IT FOR FREE! Can't beat that price! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nice6669 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tank i got a eclipse tank 4 free wondering how many gallons it is size is 30 long 18 hi 12 wide thank u

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40275	From: ''Grey'' Mane	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: tank

30 x 18 x 12 = 6480 divided by 231 = 28 gallons Grey ·´¯`·..><((((º>.·´¯`·.><((((º>.·´¯`·..><((((º> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: nice6669@... Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:29:58 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] tank i got a eclipse tank 4 free wondering how many gallons it is size is 30 long 18 hi 12 wide thank u [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40276	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

If it is over the entire body, you may have a case of what is known as velvet. It often looks gold in color, and is normally fairly difficult to spot. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:00 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > See this article which discusses ways to reduce your SRB's (Sulfate Reducing > Bacteria) which cause the "rotten egg" smell in some well water systems. > Thanks, our neighbor taught us how to shock our well (typically Memorial Day weekend) and our plumber already replaced the "rod" in our hot water heater with a non-reactive one so it won't stink. > > I do not ever recall nitrites being related to SRB's > It's long gone but I did read something about the two of them being linked over the weekend. The web site was VERY technical and WAAAAY over my head. > > I'm not sure why "Dan the man" asked about nitrites and SRB's. > *I* asked about SRBs because I was worried they were causing the plague and then he asked about my nitrite levels. Because they have always been low, he doubted SRBs were to blame. > > "Dan the man" may be correct in advising Maracyn Two as the majority of the > bacterial infections that affect our fish are gram-negative. > I kinda got the impression that gram-negative was more prevalent than gram-positive so I'm glad he recommended it. > > Columnaris infections which you mentioned as being > the most likely diagnosis in your first post. > Actually, I've decided that's NOT their problem. Yes, they have a thin velvety fuzz but it's not as "columnar" (tall) as the pictures I saw -- and those pictures don't show any bruising, which was their first symptom, and that they still have. > http://web.archive.org/web/20051217230513/http://www.fishpalace.org/disease.html > I just took a quick look but there's nothing that jumps out as being "THE" problem that my fish have. > > Let us know how things progress. > Thanks for your interest. I will. :o) I'm hopeful and confident that the antibiotics will help. ~Kai ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40277	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Another catfish has died

Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's in my 10 gal established tank. I thought it was a gas pocket in the gravel but was told it was more likely a water problem. After the last one died, I took a small albino catfish out of my other tank and put him in the problem tank. I have not done a 25% water change since he went in - only adding additional water as needed as I have been kinda afraid to change the water and lose another catfish. All my other fish (guppies) are fine. The only thing I have done is use a scrapper to clean small amounts of algae off the glass. I noticed a few days ago that the catfish was not doing so well. He was always up at the top and often upside down. It was like he needed air. I found him sitting on a plant and then he quit moving around so much. Two days ago, I used the scrapper and disturbed the gravel as I was cleaning. The catfish died the next day and this has been the pattern. I am afraid to get another one was I have lost every catfish in this tank. I think I should break down the tank and start over. I use a Master Test Kit and all my values are right on so I don't think it is the water. Any suggestions before I break it down and start over???? My other albino catfish in the other tank is just fine and I got them together. Carole in Las Vegas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40278	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

do you have 2 different types of gravel in these 2 tanks? Amber onelvlady wrote: > > > Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's > in my 10 gal established tank. I thought it was a gas pocket in the > gravel but was told it was more likely a water problem. After the last > one died, I took a small albino catfish out of my other tank and put > him in the problem tank. I have not done a 25% water change since he > went in - only adding additional water as needed as I have been kinda > afraid to change the water and lose another catfish. All my other fish > (guppies) are fine. > > The only thing I have done is use a scrapper to clean small amounts of > algae off the glass. I noticed a few days ago that the catfish was not > doing so well. He was always up at the top and often upside down. It > was like he needed air. I found him sitting on a plant and then he > quit moving around so much. Two days ago, I used the scrapper and > disturbed the gravel as I was cleaning. The catfish died the next day > and this has been the pattern. I am afraid to get another one was I > have lost every catfish in this tank. > > I think I should break down the tank and start over. I use a Master > Test Kit and all my values are right on so I don't think it is the > water. Any suggestions before I break it down and start over???? My > other albino catfish in the other tank is just fine and I got them > together. > > Carole in Las Vegas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40279	From: Debra	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

What kind of substrate do you have? Is this a planted tank? How deep is the gravel? When is the last time you vacumed it? Have you poked your fingers or something else around in it recently/and do you do that regularly? What kind of decorations and/or plants do you have? What in this tank is different from the other one? Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:43:58 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's in my 10 gal established tank. I thought it was a gas pocket in the gravel but was told it was more likely a water problem. After the last one died, I took

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40280	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and held my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank is when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful and wash my hands first. The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters are the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank than the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at a time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the corys just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my other tank and had been there a couple of months. I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be a good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies and I know they are hardy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra" <dmelton2@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died What kind of substrate do you have? Is this a planted tank? How deep is the gravel? When is the last time you vacumed it? Have you poked your fingers or something else around in it recently/and do you do that regularly? What kind of decorations and/or plants do you have? What in this tank is different from the other one? Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:43:58 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's in my 10 gal established tank. I thought it was a gas pocket in the gravel but was told it was more likely a water problem. After the last one died, I took ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40281	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

You vacuum the gravel weekly right? You should be doing so if not. I think I remember you do weekly filter maintenance right? Been awhile since you posted. Does the other tank have live plants or do both tanks have fake plants? Is the decoration and gravel color the only difference between the tanks? Amber onelvlady wrote: > > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months > ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it > is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the > tank is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under > which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water > at a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to > be a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the > guppies and > I know they are hardy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra" <dmelton2@... <mailto:dmelton2%40gmail.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died > > What kind of substrate do you have? > Is this a planted tank? > How deep is the gravel? > When is the last time you vacumed it? Have you poked your fingers or > something else around in it recently/and do you do that regularly? > What kind of decorations and/or plants do you have? > What in this tank is different from the other one? > Deb > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "onelvlady" <onelvlady@... <mailto:onelvlady%40cox.net>> > > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:43:58 > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died > > Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's > in my > 10 gal established tank. I thought it was a gas pocket in the gravel but > was told it was more likely a water problem. After the last one died, I > took > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40282	From: bill1433	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Hi to Carole in Las Vegas, I am, and was, having the very same problem. And like you, it only seemed to do with catfish. Here is what I have done so far to counter-act the problem. You must understand that many catfish are susceptible to things that other fish are not. One is minerals or metals in the water. You did not say if your using a de-chor agent or other type of water conditioner. I have started to use a product called Prime. There are cheaper products out there but I started with this and so, have continued with it because it worked. First clean the tank as best that you can from algae and such. Next, a regular PWC at about 25% of the tanks capacity. Now after the water change dose the tank just this first time for the tanks full capacity. If you have a 20, 55 whatever. I dose at the rate of 1 mill for each 10 gallons of water. Let the tank run through and the following week when doing a water change, only dose to what you are changing, 5, 10, or 15 gallons of water, not the whole tank. If you go to your local drug store you can buy and infant's eye-dropper marked in mills it will help you do this. The catfish, should come around. Be sure to look for any skin redness or irratations, especially around their gills, this is another sign. They love to swim and take gulps of air at the surface from time to time. One that remains still, does not swim, or hangs close to the surface is telling you that there is a water condition he does not like. Remember this only pertains to the catfish or in my case Cory cats. I was only losing them. The neon's and other fish in the tank were all, and still are, all doing fine. But the corys are acting more like themselves now with no recent deaths to report. Please let us know how you make out with the problem. Bill --- On Mon, 5/11/09, onelvlady <onelvlady@...> wrote: From: onelvlady <onelvlady@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another catfish has died To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 10:43 PM Hi all - I wrote in about 2 weeks ago because I keep losing my cory's in my 10 gal established tank.  I thought it was a gas pocket in the gravel but was told it was more likely a water problem.  After the last one died, I took a small albino catfish out of my other tank and put him in the problem tank.  I have not done a 25% water change since he went in - only adding additional water as needed as I have been kinda afraid to change the water and lose another catfish.  All my other fish (guppies) are fine.  The only thing I have done is use a scrapper to clean small amounts of algae off the glass.  I noticed a few days ago that the catfish was not doing so well.  He was always up at the top and often upside down.  It was like he needed air.  I found him sitting on a plant and then he quit moving around so much.  Two days ago, I used the scrapper and disturbed the gravel as I was cleaning.  The catfish died the next day and this has been the pattern.  I am afraid to get another one was I have lost every catfish in this tank. I think I should break down the tank and start over.  I use a Master Test Kit and all my values are right on so I don't think it is the water.  Any suggestions before I break it down and start over????  My other albino catfish in the other tank is just fine and I got them together. Carole in Las Vegas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40283	From: mojtaba_r_sheshkal	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: offshore cage project

hi every one i in guilan iranian university study about immposible semi-submersible cage in eastsout of caspian sea, if you have one example projects or any iformation about structure of cage and turbidity by dept, i will be glad of your help,, by thanks... mojtaba.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40284	From: William	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy your tanks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies and > I know they are hardy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40285	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: H.R. 669 Hearing Update - from FishChannel.com newsletter

http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-news/2009/04/23/hr-669-update.aspx (reprinted below) H.R. 669 Hearing Update What's the status of H.R. 669 after the hearing? By Benjamin Weiner On Thursday, April 23, 2009, the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife met to deliberate, investigate and revise H.R. 669, the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, and decide if it should go to general debate and move forward in the legislative process. The hearing record is being held open for 10 days for responses and to decide whether to proceed. Chief Executive Officer and General Counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council (PIJAC) Marshall Meyers testified before the Congressional Subcommittee regarding H.R. 669 as a representative of pet owners and the pet industry. In written testimony submitted to the Subcommittee Meyers stated, "We support the development of a strategic, risk-based process to prevent the introduction of invasive species (harmful nonnative species) into the United States." However, the current draft of H.R. 669 "fails to be strategic in that it does not adequately take socio-economic issues and risk management options into account," and would "require funds and staffing not currently available, nor likely to be available, to the US Fish and Wildlife Service." Meyers said that they are willing to work with the authors of the bill to craft more realistic legislation that serves the public and affected industries alike. Congresswoman and Subcommittee Chairwoman Madeleine Bordallo of Guam (who authored this bill) said, "We recognize the bill is by no means perfect and that changes will be needed to address various concerns before any legislation moves forward." "As it stands, PIJAC still has issues with points of this bill's impracticality or lack of clarity," Meyers said. Andrew Wyatt President of the United States Association of Reptile Keepers (USARK) said that the hearing was a "smashing success." "Two weeks leading up to the hearing, USARK mounted a grassroots campaign of letter writing and phone calls," he said. "We swamped Capitol Hill with almost 50,000 letters that were delivered to Subcommittee members." Wyatt added that on top of that were thousands upon thousands of phone calls, e-mail and letters directly to Subcommittee members. During the hearing, Congressman and Subcommittee member Henry E. Brown of South Carolina said, "Like members of this Subcommittee, during the past few weeks I have received thousands of calls, e-mails and letters written by constituents in strong opposition of this bill." Later, Wyatt quoted Harry Burroughs of the Subcommittee staff as saying, "I haven't seen a letter writing campaign like this in 30 years! You should be proud of yourselves." Subcommittee member Eni F.H. Faleomavaega of American Samoa, a co-sponsor of the bill, congratulated Meyers, PIJAC and the pet industry for the tremendous grassroots response that has been generated, noting that it is important to have input from constituents on these issues. Wyatt added that Faleomavaega said that the letters and phone calls hit them like a "buzz saw." "We're so proud of all the people out there that did what they were supposed to do and sent letters and e-mails and phone calls," he said. Russ Case, Editor of Aquarium Fish International and FishChannel.com, expressed relief at the outcome. "I'm happy that the bill may be in trouble in its current form, but as we all know, the groups who are against the keeping of exotic pets will return with another. For now I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'll be waiting to see what they cook up next." Both PIJAC and USARK expressed that no current action is required by the public and that more updates are to come. PIJAC Website>> http://www.pijac.org/ USARK Website>> http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-news/2009/04/23/www.usark.org

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40286	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Hearing Update - from FishChannel.com newsletter

Ooops. I hit the send button too soon. I wanted to thank everyone that participated in opposing H.R. 669 and even those who may have been for it, if you got involved... that's the main thing... getting involved in the governmental process so the elected and/or appointed crooks... ooops.. I meant politicians... will start to listen to US again, instead of just doing whatever the hell they want to do, thinking that we won't be able to do anything about it. OK... there's my rant of the hour! Now, I also wanted to publish the editorial comment, below my sig, that came with the eNewsletter from FishChannel.com, since it's an important prelude to the below article. Once again, a BIG THANKS to everyone who helped to beat this down... for now! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) EDITOR'S NOTE Well, HR669, the now-infamous bill that would pretty much end the pet hobby as we know it, appears to be entering possible limbo-land as of the time we're sending this newsletter. (Read all about it here.) Some believe it has pretty much been killed. Others, and I would put myself in this category, are cautiously optimistic and waiting to see what happens next. Even if this bill is defeated, expect the animal rights and environmentalist groups who are traditionally responsible for bills of this sort to cull another one together sooner rather than later. By all accounts pet owners came together in astounding numbers to battle this flawed bill that was based on questionable science. Those who would have been most affected by it are hobbyists who keep reptiles, tropical fish and birds. The majority of the popular pet species of these types of animals are not native to the United States , and the bill would have made it illegal to keep everything from bettas to bearded dragons to budgies. Advocates of the bill would say that species that are judged "safe" to keep (e.g., don't stand to establish wild populations should they escape) would be put on a list of approved species, but to get them on that list would be far from a cakewalk, requiring applications and fees, as well as USFWS personnel time and money that are reportedly nonexistent. Further studies could also be requested by USFWS before adding a species to the approved list, stalling the process even longer. It could take years, if ever, to get popular pets such as those mentioned above added to the list, and in the meantime they would be illegal. Hopefully this bill is dead. If so, kudos to everyone who flooded the subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife with tens of thousands of letters and phone calls. Also kudos to PIJAC and USARK for keeping everyone informed. Everybody's efforts were not just impressive, but also vital. Russ Case FishChannel.com Editor -----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny [mailto:goldlenny@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com'; 'Gold-Fish@yahoogroups.com'; 'Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com' Subject: H.R. 669 Hearing Update - from FishChannel.com newsletter http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-news/2009/04/23/hr-669-update.aspx (reprinted below) H.R. 669 Hearing Update What's the status of H.R. 669 after the hearing? By Benjamin Weiner On Thursday, April 23, 2009, the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife met to deliberate, investigate and revise H.R. 669, the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, and decide if it should go to general debate and move forward in the legislative process. The hearing record is being held open for 10 days for responses and to decide whether to proceed. Chief Executive Officer and General Counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council (PIJAC) Marshall Meyers testified before the Congressional Subcommittee regarding H.R. 669 as a representative of pet owners and the pet industry. In written testimony submitted to the Subcommittee Meyers stated, "We support the development of a strategic, risk-based process to prevent the introduction of invasive species (harmful nonnative species) into the United States." However, the current draft of H.R. 669 "fails to be strategic in that it does not adequately take socio-economic issues and risk management options into account," and would "require funds and staffing not currently available, nor likely to be available, to the US Fish and Wildlife Service." Meyers said that they are willing to work with the authors of the bill to craft more realistic legislation that serves the public and affected industries alike. Congresswoman and Subcommittee Chairwoman Madeleine Bordallo of Guam (who authored this bill) said, "We recognize the bill is by no means perfect and that changes will be needed to address various concerns before any legislation moves forward." "As it stands, PIJAC still has issues with points of this bill's impracticality or lack of clarity," Meyers said. Andrew Wyatt President of the United States Association of Reptile Keepers (USARK) said that the hearing was a "smashing success." "Two weeks leading up to the hearing, USARK mounted a grassroots campaign of letter writing and phone calls," he said. "We swamped Capitol Hill with almost 50,000 letters that were delivered to Subcommittee members." Wyatt added that on top of that were thousands upon thousands of phone calls, e-mail and letters directly to Subcommittee members. During the hearing, Congressman and Subcommittee member Henry E. Brown of South Carolina said, "Like members of this Subcommittee, during the past few weeks I have received thousands of calls, e-mails and letters written by constituents in strong opposition of this bill." Later, Wyatt quoted Harry Burroughs of the Subcommittee staff as saying, "I haven't seen a letter writing campaign like this in 30 years! You should be proud of yourselves." Subcommittee member Eni F.H. Faleomavaega of American Samoa, a co-sponsor of the bill, congratulated Meyers, PIJAC and the pet industry for the tremendous grassroots response that has been generated, noting that it is important to have input from constituents on these issues. Wyatt added that Faleomavaega said that the letters and phone calls hit them like a "buzz saw." "We're so proud of all the people out there that did what they were supposed to do and sent letters and e-mails and phone calls," he said. Russ Case, Editor of Aquarium Fish International and FishChannel.com, expressed relief at the outcome. "I'm happy that the bill may be in trouble in its current form, but as we all know, the groups who are against the keeping of exotic pets will return with another. For now I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'll be waiting to see what they cook up next." Both PIJAC and USARK expressed that no current action is required by the public and that more updates are to come. PIJAC Website>> http://www.pijac.org/ USARK Website>> http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-news/2009/04/23/www.usark.org

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40287	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: update on the 55 gallon

Sorry still haven't gotten to my baseline testing, I finally got myself a 2nd bucket though so that I can do it ;) LOL I haven't lost any fish in over a week now, I still have my 4 bleeding hearts, 3 purple passion danio's, and 6 albino aeneus cory's. Everything seems healthy, over the last week though I have started to get a different color of water rather than green algae water this time it's white cloudy. I haven't done anything different, the same plants are all in there I have been making sure to prune off any dead leaves and scoop out any dead leaves floating etc. I have been doing daily 25% PWC's for the past 3 days to keep the water clear, my ammonia tested at zero yesterday, I will test again today to see, but I just did a PWC so I will test later tonight. My nitrites also tested at 0, and the nitrates were low but they showed up on the test at least ;) So the tank is cycled (I'd hope so since I lost more than half the inhabitants over a week ago). I wonder if I have a dead danio hiding in there somewhere that's causing the foul water. I have rearranged and vaccuumed the gravel each day and haven't found any dead fish. I guess I will keep searching. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40288	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Question about Pearlweed

Okay I got some pearlweed from my LFS weeks ago, it's doing pretty well. I didn't remove the rockwool from it because the last time I did that it all died off. Plus the rockwool helps sink it ;) My question is should I break it into chunks and split up the plant into several chunks and plant them around the tank or will it not spread out? Basically does it spread out like a grass or just grow up and slightly out like a bush? And to clear any confusion, this is the plant that I have: http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122 Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40289	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed

I believe it sends out runners. Look at the second pic in that link. You can see runners, so it should spread on it's own. I don't know if I would break it apart. It would depend on how much you got. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: amber@... Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:29:33 -0800 Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about Pearlweed Okay I got some pearlweed from my LFS weeks ago, it's doing pretty well. I didn't remove the rockwool from it because the last time I did that it all died off. Plus the rockwool helps sink it ;) My question is should I break it into chunks and split up the plant into several chunks and plant them around the tank or will it not spread out? Basically does it spread out like a grass or just grow up and slightly out like a bush? And to clear any confusion, this is the plant that I have: http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122 Amber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40290	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed

It's approximately a 2 inch by 2 inch square chunk, rather bushy looking, it's already growing up and a little out with some runners in my tank, should I just let it do it's own thing? Will it find the gravel on it's own or should I "help" some? ;) Amber pam andress wrote: > > > > I believe it sends out runners. Look at the second pic in that link. > You can see runners, so it should spread on it's own. I don't know if > I would break it apart. It would depend on how much you got. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:29:33 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about Pearlweed > > Okay I got some pearlweed from my LFS weeks ago, it's doing pretty well. > > I didn't remove the rockwool from it because the last time I did that it > > all died off. Plus the rockwool helps sink it ;) > > My question is should I break it into chunks and split up the plant into > > several chunks and plant them around the tank or will it not spread out? > > Basically does it spread out like a grass or just grow up and slightly > > out like a bush? > > And to clear any confusion, this is the plant that I have: > > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122 > <http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122> > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40291	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed

I was scratching my head wondering what Pearlweed was, then I saw it was Hemianthus micranthemoides. Why didn't you just say Hemianthus micranthemoides in the first place. LOL I did a quick Google of Hemianthus micranthemoides looking for some other plant profile pages and I saw in some of the Google summary's that it's often confused with another plant called Baby Tears and even some of the profiles use the common name Baby Tears for Hemianthus micranthemoides. Read through these for more info, since PlantGeek, while a good and reputable site, has been falling behind a little on the details included in their plant profiles. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Plants/Micranthemum.html (starts off with this comment in a very long thread) >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:40:47 -0800 >From: "Dixon, Steven T. (Exchange)" <stdixon@...> >Subject: Micranthemoides > >Someone mentioned using Micranthemoides as a carpet plant the other day. >I want to take a moment a try to figure out which plant we're talking >about. There is a small plant from SE USA and Cuba with whorls of 3-4 >pointed ovate leaves which looks a bit like a star from a distance. >This is identified as Hemianthus micranthemoides in Baensch Atlas vol. >1, Kasselmann's book and Pablo Tepoot's new book. Baensch lists a >common name of "Pearlweed." It does indeed cover the gravel quickly and >will grow both horizontally and vertically. It is a robust and lovely >little plant with many uses. I have used it as ground cover and also let >it grow to 20 inches in height! Amano's books appear to routinely >"misidentify" this plant as Micranthemum micranthemoides. I had a hard >time noticing this, perhaps because I didn't realize how small this >plant really is in the pictures of Amano's tanks. http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=33 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/myplants/87-Pearl_Weed_Hemianthus_micranth emoides.html http://www.aquahobby.com/garden/e_micranth.php (usually has lots of comments from readers) http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/p75008.htm (uses Pearlweed, Pearl Grass and Baby Tears) http://www.aquariumplants.com/Baby_Tears_Hemianthus_micranthemoides_p/bp005. htm (uses Baby Tears) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about Pearlweed Okay I got some pearlweed from my LFS weeks ago, it's doing pretty well. I didn't remove the rockwool from it because the last time I did that it all died off. Plus the rockwool helps sink it ;) My question is should I break it into chunks and split up the plant into several chunks and plant them around the tank or will it not spread out? Basically does it spread out like a grass or just grow up and slightly out like a bush? And to clear any confusion, this is the plant that I have: http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122 Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40292	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Question about Pearlweed

I would probably leave it alone so you do not risk shocking it if you break it apart. From all I've read (see my previous reply), it should spread on it's own just fine. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Question about Pearlweed It's approximately a 2 inch by 2 inch square chunk, rather bushy looking, it's already growing up and a little out with some runners in my tank, should I just let it do it's own thing? Will it find the gravel on it's own or should I "help" some? ;) Amber pam andress wrote: > > > > I believe it sends out runners. Look at the second pic in that link. > You can see runners, so it should spread on it's own. I don't know if > I would break it apart. It would depend on how much you got. > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: amber@... <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:29:33 -0800 > Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about Pearlweed > > Okay I got some pearlweed from my LFS weeks ago, it's doing pretty well. > > I didn't remove the rockwool from it because the last time I did that > it > > all died off. Plus the rockwool helps sink it ;) > > My question is should I break it into chunks and split up the plant > into > > several chunks and plant them around the tank or will it not spread out? > > Basically does it spread out like a grass or just grow up and slightly > > out like a bush? > > And to clear any confusion, this is the plant that I have: > > http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122 > <http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=122> > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40293	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it down and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of what I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. I sure hope this solves the problem. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy your tanks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank > is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at > a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be > a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies > and > I know they are hardy. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40294	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Silly Things going on in my tank

Howdy Y'all! So.... I definitely have a female snail. She has laid three clutches of eggs so far. I let the first one sit for three weeks and nothing. I tore it down and it dissolved in the water. The second clutch - same thing. I guess they weren't fertilized? Or maybe they were dropping down into the water and being eaten immediately? No idea. The funny things is that she lays a new clutch as soon as I remove the last one! So she's laid another two days ago. Should I be patient a bit longer than three weeks? (Yes, I want more snails, lol). She's big and healthy and eating well. (She was the one I thought I killed in that 50% PWC.) I thought I either lost or killed an upside down catfish. I have four and they are always swimming around and around and around in pairs chasing and playing with each other. Better than watching tv, I tell ya! Anyways, One went missing for three days!!!! I have NO IDEA where he was. I saw that the tank was very nasty yesterday and I couldn't almost see through it! I figured a snail or a fish died. So I did a PWC and cleaned the gravel and and cleaned the filter and vacuumed under the fake ship (nice hiding place) and another hiding place where detritus loves to collect and I didn't find him anywhere! I figured that was what fouled up my tank. I couldn't find a corpse or nothing.. The tank cleared up tremendously after all the cleaning and all day today I kept counting and looking at the upside down catfish and saw only three still. Tonight - who do I see? The two pairs of catfish swimming round and round and round just like normal. Can you hear my sigh of relief? What have these fish done to me?!?!! lol A friend of mine threw an orange slice in both of my tanks - promising me it wouldn't hurt the fishes at all. The pleco was going at it like a shark!!! And the goldfish were nibbling at it like crazy too. I've never seen my pleco be that busy or aggressive, but then again it could be that I've never paid him too much attention. He always swims up an eats the goldfish flakes too. Is that normal? I drop algae wafers in the tank, but after reading many posts - I think I will try the blanched zucchini thing too.. Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for all the amazing posts of information in this group! Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40295	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

I haven't read all the responses to this, but I had a 29 gal that I could not keep a pleco alive in. I had to change the gravel and all is well now. The old gravel was a mix of 2 or more different ones. I tried for over a year and just kept loosing them. All my other tanks were fine. (Different gravel) Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: onelvlady@... Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:58:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it down and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of what I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. I sure hope this solves the problem. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy your tanks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank > is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at > a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be > a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies > and > I know they are hardy. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40296	From: pam andress	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank

As for your snails, if they are mystery snails, then it may be a imature snail or the eggs are just not fertile. Do they look pinkish or off white in color? I have found that young snails will lay off white eggs and they are not fertile. I have had pinkish eggs not hatch too, so this is not always a sign. Just give her some time and see what happens. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: dbrown1973@... Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 03:33:24 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Silly Things going on in my tank Howdy Y'all! So.... I definitely have a female snail. She has laid three clutches of eggs so far. I let the first one sit for three weeks and nothing. I tore it down and it dissolved in the water. The second clutch - same thing. I guess they weren't fertilized? Or maybe they were dropping down into the water and being eaten immediately? No idea. The funny things is that she lays a new clutch as soon as I remove the last one! So she's laid another two days ago. Should I be patient a bit longer than three weeks? (Yes, I want more snails, lol). She's big and healthy and eating well. (She was the one I thought I killed in that 50% PWC.) I thought I either lost or killed an upside down catfish. I have four and they are always swimming around and around and around in pairs chasing and playing with each other. Better than watching tv, I tell ya! Anyways, One went missing for three days!!!! I have NO IDEA where he was. I saw that the tank was very nasty yesterday and I couldn't almost see through it! I figured a snail or a fish died. So I did a PWC and cleaned the gravel and and cleaned the filter and vacuumed under the fake ship (nice hiding place) and another hiding place where detritus loves to collect and I didn't find him anywhere! I figured that was what fouled up my tank. I couldn't find a corpse or nothing.. The tank cleared up tremendously after all the cleaning and all day today I kept counting and looking at the upside down catfish and saw only three still. Tonight - who do I see? The two pairs of catfish swimming round and round and round just like normal. Can you hear my sigh of relief? What have these fish done to me?!?!! lol A friend of mine threw an orange slice in both of my tanks - promising me it wouldn't hurt the fishes at all. The pleco was going at it like a shark!!! And the goldfish were nibbling at it like crazy too. I've never seen my pleco be that busy or aggressive, but then again it could be that I've never paid him too much attention. He always swims up an eats the goldfish flakes too. Is that normal? I drop algae wafers in the tank, but after reading many posts - I think I will try the blanched zucchini thing too.. Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for all the amazing posts of information in this group! Dani in ND [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40297	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Carole just make sure you keep your filter cycled or you will have to cycle your tank all over again and that could be a big pain. Amber pam andress wrote: > > > > I haven't read all the responses to this, but I had a 29 gal that I > could not keep a pleco alive in. I had to change the gravel and all is > well now. The old gravel was a mix of 2 or more different ones. I > tried for over a year and just kept loosing them. All my other tanks > were fine. (Different gravel) > > Pam > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > From: onelvlady@... <mailto:onelvlady%40cox.net> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:58:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > > Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in > good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it > down > and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of > what > I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. > > I sure hope this solves the problem. > > Carole in Las Vegas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William" <dreammaker2623@... > <mailto:dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > > How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so > then the > anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses > which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This > along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the > problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid > this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy > your tanks. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was > months ago. > > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since > it is a > > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > > held > > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the > tank > > is > > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > > and > > wash my hands first. > > > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under > which > > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > > are > > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > > than > > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of > water at > > a > > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > > corys > > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only > lasted > > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought > to be > > a > > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies > > and > > I know they are hardy. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on > the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40298	From: Debra	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Carole: I would strongly recommend removing the fish and then doing a thoroughly deep cleaning of every inch of the substrate vs a total breakdown of your tank. Move and sift through all your gravel (any unaccounted for fish? Any chance a child dropped something in the tank?) Use the Prime and only put treated water back in the tank so you don't have to re-cycle it. From the info you have given I think you have gas pockets in the gravel. Have you by any chance added any fertilizer/fertilizer pellets to this tank? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:58:51 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it down and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of what I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. I sure hope this solves the problem. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy your tanks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank > is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at > a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be > a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies > and > I know they are hardy. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40299	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

I would try one more thing if it were me... I would use bill's method to remove the gravel. He uses a 1.5 inch in diameter hose and syphons the gravel out. No tear down needed, and no scratches to a acrylic tank. Next I would add new gravel, as little as I can get away with - just cover the bottom. As long as you do not have real plants, or at least any that need substrate. I always take the decorations out when I gravel vac. That way I get under them, then put them back in before I add the new water. That way no build up of anaerobic bacteria. Why do I think this? Well the same water goes into both tanks. Catfish spend a lot of time in contact with the gravel. Plus if it is a gas pocket type thing it is also removed. Seems logical that you should be rid of your problem this way. YMMV... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:58 PM, onelvlady <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > > Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in > good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it down > and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of what > I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. > > I sure hope this solves the problem. > > Carole in Las Vegas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > > How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the > anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses > which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This > along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the > problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid > this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy > your tanks. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: >> >> I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. >> I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The >> gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a >> 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and >> held >> my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have >> artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank >> is >> when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful >> and >> wash my hands first. >> >> The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which >> the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters >> are >> the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank >> than >> the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at >> a >> time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? >> >> We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the >> corys >> just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted >> about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my >> other tank and had been there a couple of months. >> >> I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all >> the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be >> a >> good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies >> and >> I know they are hardy. > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40300	From: bill1433	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Hi again Carole, I did not see all of your message at my first post to you and only got it in its entirety last night on a return post from "William". An important thing is the size of the gravel itself. If it is too big like (the marbles), then the corys cannot forge through it and get at the food under or in it. This gives you 2 problems. Uneaten food, the tank goes bad, and hungry corys which then die. People often put stuff in their tanks for display purposes that really looks "cool" but has very little to do with the health and safety of the fish. Remember that very seldom do fish encounter "marbles" in nature. This link will show you all of the different types of gravel from the Estes company. They make great products that are aquarium safe and not very expensive. I prefer their stock # 11509 and I am using it now in both my 20 and 29 gallon tanks. I only paid $10.25 for 25lbs of the stuff and got it ordered in from my neighborhood lawn and garden center. It will not compact like regular gravel and is very easy to siphon clean with a gravel washer because of its smooth, rounded edges and of course, the corys like it. http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf Please keep us posted on how things go? Bill --- On Tue, 5/12/09, onelvlady <onelvlady@...> wrote: > From: onelvlady <onelvlady@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:58 PM > Hi all - thanks for all the responses > to my catfish problems.  I can't in > good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going > to break it down > and start over.  I'll do it later this week, get some > Prime instead of what > I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. > > I sure hope this solves the problem. > > Carole in Las Vegas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > > > How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of > gravel? If so then the > anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing > the bad gasses > which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being > affected. This > along with the harder water  (Cory cats  like > softer water) could be the > problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so > often to avoid > this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that > you might enjoy > your tanks. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but > that was months ago. > > I added some colored gravel and some of those half > glass marbles.  The > > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other > tank. Since it is a > > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel.  I vacuumed > about a week ago and > > held > > my breath that the catfish would be OK.  He was > for a while. I only have > > artificial plants in both tanks.  The only time I > poke around in the tank > > is > > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be > reset.  I am careful > > and > > wash my hands first. > > > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish > can hide under which > > the other tank does not have and different colored > gravel.  The filters > > are > > the same as are the aerators.  I do add more > water to the problem tank > > than > > the other one as it seems to go down faster.  I > add about 1 qt of water at > > a > > time - occasionally two.  Could my declor be > bad? > > > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV.  > Could it be that the > > corys > > just can't handle that say after a month or so.  > This last one only lasted > > about two weeks once I put him in the problem > tank.  Both were fine in my > > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing > wrong.  I read all > > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - > enough I thought to be > > a > > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on > me are the guppies > > and > > I know they are hardy. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and > post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40301	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Bill - you might be right on about the gravel. The corys in this tank were always up at the top like they were hungry. Early on, I wrote in and asked why they spent so much time at the top. I even went to great lengths to try and feed them when they were up there. I wasn't sure if it was air they needed or food. I will take out all the marbles and clean the gravel really well. The gravel in this tank is larger than the other tank now that I think about it. I'll just get new gravel too. Thanks to ALL of you who have replied. I have learned so much from this list it is amazing. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks everyone!!!! Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill1433" <warrenprint@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died Hi again Carole, I did not see all of your message at my first post to you and only got it in its entirety last night on a return post from "William". An important thing is the size of the gravel itself. If it is too big like (the marbles), then the corys cannot forge through it and get at the food under or in it. This gives you 2 problems. Uneaten food, the tank goes bad, and hungry corys which then die. People often put stuff in their tanks for display purposes that really looks "cool" but has very little to do with the health and safety of the fish. Remember that very seldom do fish encounter "marbles" in nature. This link will show you all of the different types of gravel from the Estes company. They make great products that are aquarium safe and not very expensive. I prefer their stock # 11509 and I am using it now in both my 20 and 29 gallon tanks. I only paid $10.25 for 25lbs of the stuff and got it ordered in from my neighborhood lawn and garden center. It will not compact like regular gravel and is very easy to siphon clean with a gravel washer because of its smooth, rounded edges and of course, the corys like it. http://www.estesco.com/pdf/aqua.pdf Please keep us posted on how things go? Bill --- On Tue, 5/12/09, onelvlady <onelvlady@...> wrote: > From: onelvlady <onelvlady@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:58 PM > Hi all - thanks for all the responses > to my catfish problems. I can't in > good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going > to break it down > and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some > Prime instead of what > I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. > > I sure hope this solves the problem. > > Carole in Las Vegas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > > > How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of > gravel? If so then the > anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing > the bad gasses > which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being > affected. This > along with the harder water (Cory cats like > softer water) could be the > problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so > often to avoid > this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that > you might enjoy > your tanks. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but > that was months ago. > > I added some colored gravel and some of those half > glass marbles. The > > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other > tank. Since it is a > > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed > about a week ago and > > held > > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was > for a while. I only have > > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I > poke around in the tank > > is > > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be > reset. I am careful > > and > > wash my hands first. > > > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish > can hide under which > > the other tank does not have and different colored > gravel. The filters > > are > > the same as are the aerators. I do add more > water to the problem tank > > than > > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I > add about 1 qt of water at > > a > > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be > bad? > > > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. > Could it be that the > > corys > > just can't handle that say after a month or so. > This last one only lasted > > about two weeks once I put him in the problem > tank. Both were fine in my > > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing > wrong. I read all > > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - > enough I thought to be > > a > > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on > me are the guppies > > and > > I know they are hardy. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and > post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40302	From: onelvlady	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

Amber, I can put the filter on the other tank to keep it cycled. There are no small children in the house to answer another question. Just me and 4 Boston Terriers. Besides the fish, I do BT rescue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died > Carole just make sure you keep your filter cycled or you will have to > cycle your tank all over again and that could be a big pain. > > Amber > > pam andress wrote: >> >> >> >> I haven't read all the responses to this, but I had a 29 gal that I >> could not keep a pleco alive in. I had to change the gravel and all is >> well now. The old gravel was a mix of 2 or more different ones. I >> tried for over a year and just kept loosing them. All my other tanks >> were fine. (Different gravel) >> >> Pam >> >> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> >> From: onelvlady@... <mailto:onelvlady%40cox.net> >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:58:51 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died >> >> Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in >> good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it >> down >> and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of >> what >> I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. >> >> I sure hope this solves the problem. >> >> Carole in Las Vegas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "William" <dreammaker2623@... >> <mailto:dreammaker2623%40yahoo.com>> >> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died >> >> How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so >> then the >> anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses >> which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This >> along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the >> problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid >> this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy >> your tanks. >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> >> wrote: >> > >> > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was >> months ago. >> > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The >> > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since >> it is a >> > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and >> > held >> > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have >> > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the >> tank >> > is >> > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful >> > and >> > wash my hands first. >> > >> > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under >> which >> > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters >> > are >> > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank >> > than >> > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of >> water at >> > a >> > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? >> > >> > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the >> > corys >> > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only >> lasted >> > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in >> > my >> > other tank and had been there a couple of months. >> > >> > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read >> > all >> > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought >> to be >> > a >> > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies >> > and >> > I know they are hardy. >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank >> You. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >> important to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT >> LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >> >> If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, >> you >> can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on >> the >> home page. >> >> Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, >> which >> includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email >> >> Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option >> where >> you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. >> >> Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual >> e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40303	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Norman's Lampeye

I live in Hawai'i Does anybody know where I can pickup a few Norman's Lampeye fish locally?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40304	From: yofiguy	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: job and care

I am starting a over the road trucking job that might keep me out for times longer than four days in one shot. what should I do with my tank mollies etc.? I am using them to "mature" the tank, it is a full salt setup. should I sell them or keep them and get an auto feeder? thanks in advance Yossi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40305	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Another catfish has died

What are you using? As Bill stated, there are many other much less expensive dechlor products. Prime is primarily for use in tanks with Ammonia problems... like when folks get stuck with "Cycling With Fish", have over stocked tanks or other cycling issues. It's OVERKILL for tanks that do not have these issues. Now... your other dechlor, if you'll give us the name, might be a problem. There are TONS of JUNK being sold purporting to do all kinds of black-magic for fish keepers and 99% of them simply do not work... or do not work as advertised. For a GOOD dechlor product at an affordable price, might I suggest API's Tap Water Conditioner, which will cost about 25% of what Prime costs. Here is DrsFosterSmith.com page on this product. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4038 Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of onelvlady Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died Hi all - thanks for all the responses to my catfish problems. I can't in good faith put another catfish in that tank so I am going to break it down and start over. I'll do it later this week, get some Prime instead of what I am using, and then get a couple of catfish. I sure hope this solves the problem. Carole in Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <dreammaker2623@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Another catfish has died How large is this decoration? Does it cover a lot of gravel? If so then the anaerobic bacteria may be hiding under there and releasing the bad gasses which the Cory cats (and bottom cats in general) are being affected. This along with the harder water (Cory cats like softer water) could be the problem. You will need to vac under the ornament every so often to avoid this. I hope this helps and you find the solution so that you might enjoy your tanks. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "onelvlady" <onelvlady@...> wrote: > > I bought new medium sized gravel when I set it up but that was months ago. > I added some colored gravel and some of those half glass marbles. The > gravel in the problem tank IS different from the other tank. Since it is a > 10 gal tank I added 10 lbs of gravel. I vacuumed about a week ago and > held > my breath that the catfish would be OK. He was for a while. I only have > artificial plants in both tanks. The only time I poke around in the tank > is > when I vacuum and disturb a plant that needs to be reset. I am careful > and > wash my hands first. > > The problem tank has a large decoration that the fish can hide under which > the other tank does not have and different colored gravel. The filters > are > the same as are the aerators. I do add more water to the problem tank > than > the other one as it seems to go down faster. I add about 1 qt of water at > a > time - occasionally two. Could my declor be bad? > > We have very high PH and hard water here in LV. Could it be that the > corys > just can't handle that say after a month or so. This last one only lasted > about two weeks once I put him in the problem tank. Both were fine in my > other tank and had been there a couple of months. > > I am discouraged as I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I read all > the messages on this list and have learned a lot - enough I thought to be > a > good fish keeper but the only ones that don't die on me are the guppies > and > I know they are hardy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40306	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank

I think Pam knows this but maybe just failed to mention it. Mystery snails are sexed as male or female, they are not asexual or hermaphrodites like many other snail species. So you need a male and a female in order to fertilize any eggs. I imagine that the females could still lay eggs but if they haven't been fertilized by a male snail, then they will not hatch. There are instances where a female could have been impregnated prior to someone getting it and then it lays the fertilized eggs and there are instances where the female could lay multiple clutches of fertilized eggs with having only mated with a male snail on one occasion but there will not usually be more than 2 or 3 of these recurring fertilized egg clutches. Since your snail has laid the egg clutches a few times and none have hatched and if you do not have a male snail to impregnate the female, then you can discard the clutches in the future since they will be infertile. Here's more info about Apple Snails and their smaller cousins, Mystery Snails and their reproductive systems, which is included in this Care Sheet. Care - http://applesnail.net/content/care.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:29 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Silly Things going on in my tank As for your snails, if they are mystery snails, then it may be a imature snail or the eggs are just not fertile. Do they look pinkish or off white in color? I have found that young snails will lay off white eggs and they are not fertile. I have had pinkish eggs not hatch too, so this is not always a sign. Just give her some time and see what happens. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: dbrown1973@... Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 03:33:24 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Silly Things going on in my tank Howdy Y'all! So.... I definitely have a female snail. She has laid three clutches of eggs so far. I let the first one sit for three weeks and nothing. I tore it down and it dissolved in the water. The second clutch - same thing. I guess they weren't fertilized? Or maybe they were dropping down into the water and being eaten immediately? No idea. The funny things is that she lays a new clutch as soon as I remove the last one! So she's laid another two days ago. Should I be patient a bit longer than three weeks? (Yes, I want more snails, lol). She's big and healthy and eating well. (She was the one I thought I killed in that 50% PWC.) I thought I either lost or killed an upside down catfish. I have four and they are always swimming around and around and around in pairs chasing and playing with each other. Better than watching tv, I tell ya! Anyways, One went missing for three days!!!! I have NO IDEA where he was. I saw that the tank was very nasty yesterday and I couldn't almost see through it! I figured a snail or a fish died. So I did a PWC and cleaned the gravel and and cleaned the filter and vacuumed under the fake ship (nice hiding place) and another hiding place where detritus loves to collect and I didn't find him anywhere! I figured that was what fouled up my tank. I couldn't find a corpse or nothing.. The tank cleared up tremendously after all the cleaning and all day today I kept counting and looking at the upside down catfish and saw only three still. Tonight - who do I see? The two pairs of catfish swimming round and round and round just like normal. Can you hear my sigh of relief? What have these fish done to me?!?!! lol A friend of mine threw an orange slice in both of my tanks - promising me it wouldn't hurt the fishes at all. The pleco was going at it like a shark!!! And the goldfish were nibbling at it like crazy too. I've never seen my pleco be that busy or aggressive, but then again it could be that I've never paid him too much attention. He always swims up an eats the goldfish flakes too. Is that normal? I drop algae wafers in the tank, but after reading many posts - I think I will try the blanched zucchini thing too.. Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for all the amazing posts of information in this group! Dani in ND

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40307	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: update on the 55 gallon

I see you sent this a couple of days ago and do not see any replies so I thought I'd offer some input. Generally, a white cloudy water issue is due to a bacterial bloom, often caused by the nitrogen cycle having been disrupted or in a new tank where it does not exist... BUT... it can also be caused by other bacterial blooms, not related to the nitrifying bacteria... sometimes even BAD bacteria will cause a white cloud if they bloom. These other bacteria, some bad, some OK and part of the overall ecology, called Heterotrophic bacteria will also bloom in the water column. This LONG article on a VERY REPUTABLE website, which if you ever have time, it's good to read and understand every article on the site, goes into much more detail about these Heterotrophic bacteria and how they relate to the Nitrogen cycle and the rest of the tank's ecology, etc. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html Since your test results show 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrites and a low level for nitrates, we can mostly rule out a cycling issue... presuming you tested the water while you were seeing this bacterial bloom? If you didn't test it during the bloom or right beforehand, then it could have been a mini-cycle that cured itself before you tested. Since you seem to say that this white cloud has been around for more than a day, I'll presume you've tested the current water. Slow down on the daily PWC's. Without knowing your tap water baseline, we still do not know what is happening and how your tap water, right out the tap, might be affecting the chemistry of the tank. For example, we do know that nitrifying bacteria need a LOT of O2 to do their job. If your tap water is very low in O2 and high in CO2 or other dissolved gases, then adding your tap water could be harming the nitrifying bacteria until it stabilizes by outgasing this possible excessive dissolved gas issue. All of this is speculation since we do not have the information so get them baseline tests done soon so at least we can try and eliminate so many of the unknowns. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] update on the 55 gallon Sorry still haven't gotten to my baseline testing, I finally got myself a 2nd bucket though so that I can do it ;) LOL I haven't lost any fish in over a week now, I still have my 4 bleeding hearts, 3 purple passion danio's, and 6 albino aeneus cory's. Everything seems healthy, over the last week though I have started to get a different color of water rather than green algae water this time it's white cloudy. I haven't done anything different, the same plants are all in there I have been making sure to prune off any dead leaves and scoop out any dead leaves floating etc. I have been doing daily 25% PWC's for the past 3 days to keep the water clear, my ammonia tested at zero yesterday, I will test again today to see, but I just did a PWC so I will test later tonight. My nitrites also tested at 0, and the nitrates were low but they showed up on the test at least ;) So the tank is cycled (I'd hope so since I lost more than half the inhabitants over a week ago). I wonder if I have a dead danio hiding in there somewhere that's causing the foul water. I have rearranged and vaccuumed the gravel each day and haven't found any dead fish. I guess I will keep searching. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40308	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: update on the 55 gallon

Thanks Lenny, I've been so swamped with work I've had a hard time just keeping up with all the daily chores in the house, I already slowed down on the PWC's just because I haven't had time to do them, but the tank is clearing up on it's own already, so perhaps it was just a mini cycle. I will get those baseline tests, I promise! LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I see you sent this a couple of days ago and do not see any replies so I > thought I'd offer some input. > > Generally, a white cloudy water issue is due to a bacterial bloom, often > caused by the nitrogen cycle having been disrupted or in a new tank > where it > does not exist... BUT... it can also be caused by other bacterial blooms, > not related to the nitrifying bacteria... sometimes even BAD bacteria will > cause a white cloud if they bloom. These other bacteria, some bad, some OK > and part of the overall ecology, called Heterotrophic bacteria will also > bloom in the water column. This LONG article on a VERY REPUTABLE website, > which if you ever have time, it's good to read and understand every > article > on the site, goes into much more detail about these Heterotrophic bacteria > and how they relate to the Nitrogen cycle and the rest of the tank's > ecology, etc. > http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html > <http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html> > > Since your test results show 0.0ppm for ammonia and nitrites and a low > level > for nitrates, we can mostly rule out a cycling issue... presuming you > tested > the water while you were seeing this bacterial bloom? If you didn't > test it > during the bloom or right beforehand, then it could have been a mini-cycle > that cured itself before you tested. Since you seem to say that this white > cloud has been around for more than a day, I'll presume you've tested the > current water. > > Slow down on the daily PWC's. Without knowing your tap water baseline, we > still do not know what is happening and how your tap water, right out the > tap, might be affecting the chemistry of the tank. For example, we do know > that nitrifying bacteria need a LOT of O2 to do their job. If your tap > water is very low in O2 and high in CO2 or other dissolved gases, then > adding your tap water could be harming the nitrifying bacteria until it > stabilizes by outgasing this possible excessive dissolved gas issue. > All of > this is speculation since we do not have the information so get them > baseline tests done soon so at least we can try and eliminate so many > of the > unknowns. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] update on the 55 gallon > > Sorry still haven't gotten to my baseline testing, I finally got myself a > 2nd bucket though so that I can do it ;) LOL I haven't lost any fish > in over > a week now, I still have my 4 bleeding hearts, 3 purple passion > danio's, and > 6 albino aeneus cory's. > Everything seems healthy, over the last week though I have started to > get a > different color of water rather than green algae water this time it's > white > cloudy. I haven't done anything different, the same plants are all in > there > I have been making sure to prune off any dead leaves and scoop out any > dead > leaves floating etc. I have been doing daily 25% PWC's for the past 3 days > to keep the water clear, my ammonia tested at zero yesterday, I will test > again today to see, but I just did a PWC so I will test later tonight. My > nitrites also tested at 0, and the nitrates were low but they showed up on > the test at least ;) So the tank is cycled (I'd hope so since I lost more > than half the inhabitants over a week ago). > I wonder if I have a dead danio hiding in there somewhere that's > causing the > foul water. I have rearranged and vaccuumed the gravel each day and > haven't > found any dead fish. I guess I will keep searching. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40309	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: job and care

Well, I assume you would want to go forward with what you were doing... Get a good auto feeder. Battery back--up in case the power goes out... On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM, yofiguy <yofiguy@...> wrote: > > > I am starting a over the road trucking job that might keep me out for times > longer than four days in one shot. what should I do with my tank mollies > etc.? I am using them to "mature" the tank, it is a full salt setup. should > I sell them or keep them and get an auto feeder? thanks in advance Yossi > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40310	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

I wasn't around for a few days so I didn't start treatment until today. I did a partial water change because they were due for their cleaning and put in the right does of Maracyn-Two as per the instructions when I was done. Let's hope it helps. The Tin Foil Barbs started with bruising. That has grown and spread. If you look at it from the side, it's red bruises. If you look at it from front or back, it looks silvery/fuzzy. But after close scrutiny, which I finally had time to do, I don't think it's actually fuzzy. The fuzziness is an optical illusion. They have also begun to hang out under the filter's waterfall -- I assume for the oxygenation. Oh great, yet more symptoms. AND as if that's not enough, the water has started to turn milky/cloudy. Oddly, the pH was steady near neutral, and ammonia and nitrites tested clean too. When it rains, it pours! Maracyn-Two claims to be the right thing for the red blotches and bruising. It also claims to be the right thing for gill/breathing problems so hopefully that will put them on the road to recovery. And they were due for new activated charcoal filter inserts (HOB filter) so I hope that takes care of the cloudy water. Other than give them antibiotics, keep an eye on them/water and hope for the best, I don't think there's much else to do. On a distantly related subject... I wondered about UV black lights. There are UV "sterilizers" that hook up to powerheads and such but what if I simply replaced one or both of the overhead tank bulbs with UV black light bulbs (from Wal/K-mart, etc)? Would those have any "biological" effect? Or would it simply be GROOVY? (Especially with neon plants?) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40311	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

The UV for fish is a choked down tube that lets the water be real close to the light. Your idea, while having some logic to it will do nothing for the water quality. I do not think you should change the filter cartridges, as they have the bacteria in them, and the carbon may remove your medicine from the water column. I will wait for the pros to chime in... I am sure they will have plenty to say... On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Kuradi Eit <kuradi8@...> wrote: > > > I wasn't around for a few days so I didn't start treatment until today. > > I did a partial water change because they were due for their cleaning and > put in the right does of Maracyn-Two as per the instructions when I was > done. > > Let's hope it helps. > > The Tin Foil Barbs started with bruising. That has grown and spread. If you > look at it from the side, it's red bruises. If you look at it from front or > back, it looks silvery/fuzzy. But after close scrutiny, which I finally had > time to do, I don't think it's actually fuzzy. The fuzziness is an optical > illusion. > > They have also begun to hang out under the filter's waterfall -- I assume > for the oxygenation. Oh great, yet more symptoms. AND as if that's not > enough, the water has started to turn milky/cloudy. Oddly, the pH was steady > near neutral, and ammonia and nitrites tested clean too. > > When it rains, it pours! > > Maracyn-Two claims to be the right thing for the red blotches and bruising. > It also claims to be the right thing for gill/breathing problems so > hopefully that will put them on the road to recovery. And they were due for > new activated charcoal filter inserts (HOB filter) so I hope that takes care > of the cloudy water. > > Other than give them antibiotics, keep an eye on them/water and hope for the > best, I don't think there's much else to do. > > On a distantly related subject... I wondered about UV black lights. > > There are UV "sterilizers" that hook up to powerheads and such but what if I > simply replaced one or both of the overhead tank bulbs with UV black light > bulbs (from Wal/K-mart, etc)? Would those have any "biological" effect? Or > would it simply be GROOVY? (Especially with neon plants?) > ~Kai > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40312	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Nesaea pedicellata

I bought a Nesaea pedicellata a few weeks ago. I haven't potted it into soil yet, I just put it into the gravel (generic pea gravel). The tops are starting to turn pink instead of a yellowish green like the rest of the plant, I would assume that this is a good thing? It is a high light requirement plant, and needs nutrient rich soil according to plant geek. It seems to be fine so far so I didn't want to ruin a good thing if it's getting enough nutrients so far, but I was wondering if I should plant it in soil like my other plants? They seem to do a lot better, and I would assume that they prefer it over gravel as it's easier to root in soil than gravel ;) Plus I can take the pots out of the tank when I do my gravel vacuuming, rather than worry if I'm going to suck up any plants on accident ;) This is the link on plantgeek: http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=176 Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40313	From: bill1433	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Yoo-Hoo All Newbies on List

Folks if some of you may have missed the afternoon mail our "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" posted an excellent link for you to look over that explains just about everything there is as to the whys and where fours of cycling a tank and whats going on in there while it is. Here's the link again for those who might have missed it. Most definitely suggested reading!   http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html   Thanks again Len.  Great information! Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40314	From: pam andress	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank

Yep! What Lenny said. Pam I think Pam knows this but maybe just failed to mention it. Mystery snails are sexed as male or female, they are not asexual or hermaphrodites like many other snail species. So you need a male and a female in order to fertilize any eggs. I imagine that the females could still lay eggs but if they haven't been fertilized by a male snail, then they will not hatch. There are instances where a female could have been impregnated prior to someone getting it and then it lays the fertilized eggs and there are instances where the female could lay multiple clutches of fertilized eggs with having only mated with a male snail on one occasion but there will not usually be more than 2 or 3 of these recurring fertilized egg clutches. Since your snail has laid the egg clutches a few times and none have hatched and if you do not have a male snail to impregnate the female, then you can discard the clutches in the future since they will be infertile. Here's more info about Apple Snails and their smaller cousins, Mystery Snails and their reproductive systems, which is included in this Care Sheet. Care - http://applesnail.net/content/care.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pam andress Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:29 PM To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Silly Things going on in my tank As for your snails, if they are mystery snails, then it may be a imature snail or the eggs are just not fertile. Do they look pinkish or off white in color? I have found that young snails will lay off white eggs and they are not fertile. I have had pinkish eggs not hatch too, so this is not always a sign. Just give her some time and see what happens. Pam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40315	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Stocking questions

Here is what I have... Celestichthys margaritatus = Celestial Pearl Danio = quantity 6 – about an inch long Hyphessobrycon amandae - Ember Tetra = quantity 4 size about an inch Puntius titteya - Cherry barb = quantity 6 about an 1.5 inches long Hyphessobrycon callistus - Serpae Tetra = quantity 7 - about 1.5 inches long Albino cory cat fish - unsure of real name - quantity 2 - about an inch long - will stay that size according to LFS. Tank is a 29 gal. Water is 8.2 for PH No test kit but water is pretty hard. Always a 0 for ammonia and nitrite Always a 20 for nitrate. Change 8 gallons of water every 2 weeks. Only fake plants 2 filters, HOB, a 280 emperor and the one that came with the Walmart 29 gal. kit, not auqua clear, mabe all clear or something like that, seems to move more water that the emperor, but no bio wheel... I have added Bio rock meant for an Aqua clear to the emperor... I did not yet remove any carbon from the cartriges, but intend to in the near future. Some may say that I am fully stocked... I do not know... I had the Danos and the cat fish in a 12 gallon eclipse, I was very disappointed in that the fish just hid most of the time. I added the ember tetras and they did help to get to see the danos more often, but still very disappointing. Decided to go to 29 gallons instead of quit. I can not go any larger in my office than this. Added the Cherry barbs, and still all the fish hid on the bottom when they knew I was there. The add of the serpae tetras, brought this tank to life. I get to see all the fish allot more. The Serpae do chase each other quite a bit, but fins show no signs of damage. Feeding frenzy is the only way to describe feeding time now that the serpae tetras are in the tank. Not sure that my 2 cory's are getting enough as the serpae tetras pick up the sinking shrimp pellets and carry them around, eating as they go. So should I leave well enough alone? Should I increase the count of cherry barbs, or serpae tetras? Or should I add something new to the mix? The top third of the tank looks empty most of the time, but I have no desire for hatchet fish. What about 1 yellow or blue gourami? 6 Black skirt tetras? Etc. I await your wisdom! :o) Harl

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40316	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Norman's Lampeye

I believe that there is an aquarium club based in Honolulu, which may or may not be close to you. If it is doable (you don't live on another island or something) seek it out and go to a meeting or two--maybe even join, and from there, you may be able to locate other killie keepers, which may lead you to your sought after fish, and/or to a killie club. Here is a link to the club site: http://honoluluaquariumsociety.startlogic.com \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Norman's Lampeye I live in Hawai'i Does anybody know where I can pickup a few Norman's Lampeye fish locally?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40317	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Stocking questions

Harl, Fully stocked? You are overstocked. Even if you were following the 1" per gallon rule, you have more than 1" per gallon. The cherry barbs still have some growing to do. I don't believe that you r albino corydoras will stay as small as the LFS says they will. I think that they will probably double in size, or more, depending on the species they are. They are all fairly active fish, and need the room to move. You will need to look at your tank, and decide what you would like to take out and either give a new home to elsewhere in your office or home, rehome them, or try to get credit at the LFS for them. I cannot make that decision for you, you will need to make it yourself. If you were to ask me, I'd probably remove the cherry barbs. There are six of them, and they still have some growing to do. While you have enough, they could still get nasty toward either themselves, or to other fish. I would also be tempted to remove another fish as well, maybe the ember tetras, since, other than the corys, they are the fewest number of fish. I'd hang onto the corys, since they will liven up the lower portion of your tank, and they do have some interesting habits. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:28 PM To: aquaticlife Cc: The Freshwater Aquarium Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking questions Here is what I have... Celestichthys margaritatus = Celestial Pearl Danio = quantity 6 - about an inch long Hyphessobrycon amandae - Ember Tetra = quantity 4 size about an inch Puntius titteya - Cherry barb = quantity 6 about an 1.5 inches long Hyphessobrycon callistus - Serpae Tetra = quantity 7 - about 1.5 inches long Albino cory cat fish - unsure of real name - quantity 2 - about an inch long - will stay that size according to LFS. Tank is a 29 gal. Water is 8.2 for PH No test kit but water is pretty hard. Always a 0 for ammonia and nitrite Always a 20 for nitrate. Change 8 gallons of water every 2 weeks. Only fake plants 2 filters, HOB, a 280 emperor and the one that came with the Walmart 29 gal. kit, not auqua clear, mabe all clear or something like that, seems to move more water that the emperor, but no bio wheel... I have added Bio rock meant for an Aqua clear to the emperor... I did not yet remove any carbon from the cartriges, but intend to in the near future. Some may say that I am fully stocked... I do not know... I had the Danos and the cat fish in a 12 gallon eclipse, I was very disappointed in that the fish just hid most of the time. I added the ember tetras and they did help to get to see the danos more often, but still very disappointing. Decided to go to 29 gallons instead of quit. I can not go any larger in my office than this. Added the Cherry barbs, and still all the fish hid on the bottom when they knew I was there. The add of the serpae tetras, brought this tank to life. I get to see all the fish allot more. The Serpae do chase each other quite a bit, but fins show no signs of damage. Feeding frenzy is the only way to describe feeding time now that the serpae tetras are in the tank. Not sure that my 2 cory's are getting enough as the serpae tetras pick up the sinking shrimp pellets and carry them around, eating as they go. So should I leave well enough alone? Should I increase the count of cherry barbs, or serpae tetras? Or should I add something new to the mix? The top third of the tank looks empty most of the time, but I have no desire for hatchet fish. What about 1 yellow or blue gourami? 6 Black skirt tetras? Etc. I await your wisdom! :o) Harl

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40318	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Since I do not have a lot of experience with disease, I'll skip over that portion of your post and go right to the UV question. The UV bulbs that are used for disinfecting have a different wavelength from those that you would place in your lighting array. For the UV to do its disinfection thing, the water needs to be in close proximity to the bulb. Since the light from these lamps is harmful to your sight, they are enclosed in a solid cylindrical contraption that will fit into your aquarium plumbing, and you would really need a pump to get the water through rather than rely on a siphon or a return from a typical tank filter (a canister would probably do the trick). The UV should be placed into the return line, so the UV is dealing with relatively clean water, rather than the dirty water coming from the tank. With a UV light in your lighting array, you could turn off the other light(s) and just groove to what it does to your tank. However, this bulb would not act as a disinfectant. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment I wasn't around for a few days so I didn't start treatment until today. I did a partial water change because they were due for their cleaning and put in the right does of Maracyn-Two as per the instructions when I was done. Let's hope it helps. The Tin Foil Barbs started with bruising. That has grown and spread. If you look at it from the side, it's red bruises. If you look at it from front or back, it looks silvery/fuzzy. But after close scrutiny, which I finally had time to do, I don't think it's actually fuzzy. The fuzziness is an optical illusion. They have also begun to hang out under the filter's waterfall -- I assume for the oxygenation. Oh great, yet more symptoms. AND as if that's not enough, the water has started to turn milky/cloudy. Oddly, the pH was steady near neutral, and ammonia and nitrites tested clean too. When it rains, it pours! Maracyn-Two claims to be the right thing for the red blotches and bruising. It also claims to be the right thing for gill/breathing problems so hopefully that will put them on the road to recovery. And they were due for new activated charcoal filter inserts (HOB filter) so I hope that takes care of the cloudy water. Other than give them antibiotics, keep an eye on them/water and hope for the best, I don't think there's much else to do. On a distantly related subject... I wondered about UV black lights. There are UV "sterilizers" that hook up to powerheads and such but what if I simply replaced one or both of the overhead tank bulbs with UV black light bulbs (from Wal/K-mart, etc)? Would those have any "biological" effect? Or would it simply be GROOVY? (Especially with neon plants?) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40319	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Purple passion danio's

Okay so after having these danio's for awhile (I believe they are danio rerio but this is from memory and I could be wrong, LOL), I have noticed that they have darkened to a purple-ish hue, so I would assume that diet might have something to do with how pretty they are. They are also prettier under my lighting with the actinic's than they were at the LFS (fluorescent bulbs). I gave up on keeping glofish, after my last 2 died last month I decided not to keep them, I've had to replace them several times in the last 8-9 months, I think they just don't like my water parameters. Also, I don't know if danio's are just not very bright (intelligence wise), but they try to school with my albino aeneus cory's when they swim laps around my tank.... I suppose they look similar in color, but not in shape ;) So I often seen a school of danio's follow one or two cory's around the tank in circles ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40320	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

I'm just getting in on this after \\Steve's// reply but one thing I noticed is that Kuradi mentioned putting in new carbon BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. You don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's instructions should also say this. As \\Steve// said, the UV bulb should be part of an enclosed system so the water cycles around the UV many times and slowly so the UV light has a chance to kill any suspended pathogens. It's not good to expose either your eyes or your fish to the UV bulb. This is why, even in hospitals and certain higher risk public buildings, they'll have UV light systems where the bulb is only aiming up towards the ceiling behind a fixture so that you might be able to see the "black light" glow but you do not see the actual bulb. UV lighting not the same as the black-lights that are sold for party type lighting (or for our fluorescent posters back in the 70's, not that I had a fluorescent trimmed poster of Farrah Fawcett back then. ;-) LOL). UV lighting that we use for disinfecting purposes is NOT GOOD for direct exposure to your eyes or skin and I doubt it's OK for your fishes eyes and I'm sure it's also not good for their skin either. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment Since I do not have a lot of experience with disease, I'll skip over that portion of your post and go right to the UV question. The UV bulbs that are used for disinfecting have a different wavelength from those that you would place in your lighting array. For the UV to do its disinfection thing, the water needs to be in close proximity to the bulb. Since the light from these lamps is harmful to your sight, they are enclosed in a solid cylindrical contraption that will fit into your aquarium plumbing, and you would really need a pump to get the water through rather than rely on a siphon or a return from a typical tank filter (a canister would probably do the trick). The UV should be placed into the return line, so the UV is dealing with relatively clean water, rather than the dirty water coming from the tank. With a UV light in your lighting array, you could turn off the other light(s) and just groove to what it does to your tank. However, this bulb would not act as a disinfectant. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment I wasn't around for a few days so I didn't start treatment until today. I did a partial water change because they were due for their cleaning and put in the right does of Maracyn-Two as per the instructions when I was done. Let's hope it helps. The Tin Foil Barbs started with bruising. That has grown and spread. If you look at it from the side, it's red bruises. If you look at it from front or back, it looks silvery/fuzzy. But after close scrutiny, which I finally had time to do, I don't think it's actually fuzzy. The fuzziness is an optical illusion. They have also begun to hang out under the filter's waterfall -- I assume for the oxygenation. Oh great, yet more symptoms. AND as if that's not enough, the water has started to turn milky/cloudy. Oddly, the pH was steady near neutral, and ammonia and nitrites tested clean too. When it rains, it pours! Maracyn-Two claims to be the right thing for the red blotches and bruising. It also claims to be the right thing for gill/breathing problems so hopefully that will put them on the road to recovery. And they were due for new activated charcoal filter inserts (HOB filter) so I hope that takes care of the cloudy water. Other than give them antibiotics, keep an eye on them/water and hope for the best, I don't think there's much else to do. On a distantly related subject... I wondered about UV black lights. There are UV "sterilizers" that hook up to powerheads and such but what if I simply replaced one or both of the overhead tank bulbs with UV black light bulbs (from Wal/K-mart, etc)? Would those have any "biological" effect? Or would it simply be GROOVY? (Especially with neon plants?) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40321	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Yoo-Hoo All Newbies on List

You're welcome Bill. But I'm not sure that article is for "newbie's". I think it would leave most newbie's scratching their heads... but it is a GREAT article for folks who have a basic understanding of the nitrogen cycle, as it goes into many other facets of the tank's ecology and how things all come together. I've been having it in my favorites for years but it wasn't until Amber's question about the white cloudy water and we ruled out the nitrogen cycle, that I dug into my favorites folder and found this one. You're right about the article being an EXCELLENT article and every article I've ever read on that website is well written and referenced. I think someone out here in this group knows the guy who runs that website and can also vouch for his superior knowledge. Here's a link to the many other LONG articles on the site. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Information.html For true newbie's, I do have a couple of shorter and easier to understand articles listed on my A to Z of Fishkeeping page on my blog. There's one article for "Fishless Cycling" and one article for "Cycling With Fish" and a general article about "The Nitrogen Cycle". Of course, I also have the two FREE fish keeping tutorials listed on that page and if a newbie really wants a quick start about fish keeping, then they should take one or both of them FREE online tutorials... and the pop-quiz that I also have a link to. In fact, even more experienced fish keepers should take the pop-quiz just to see how good you really are. I'll be honest and admit that I missed a few of the questions, mainly dealing with more advanced plant keeping which I admit I do not know as much as I'd like to know. Heck, considering some of the unusual-to-me plants that Amber has been finding up there in Igloo Country, she'll be the plant expert soon! ;-) One thing I wanted to note about AmericanAquariumProducts.com site is that I disagree with their Goldfish care sheet which recommends only "8-10 gallons to start with and 20G+ per goldfish for long term health" and I think that the "8-10 gallons to start" is misleading and the article doesn't explain that it's 8-10 gallons per goldfish for their first six months and then the tank has to be upgraded or the fish moved to much larger quarters. It also doesn't separate long-bodied and fancy goldfish and long-bodied and/or common goldfish NEED much more water. They grow to 18"+ so a 20G tank simply isn't going to come close to handling their bioload. It's just cheaper, easier and MUCH better for the fish to start off with a 55G or larger for two fancy goldfish from the start. Long bodied goldfish need a HUGE 8' long tank or they should really be in a pond with 100G per goldfish as a minimum. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:39 PM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Yoo-Hoo All Newbies on List Folks if some of you may have missed the afternoon mail our "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" posted an excellent link for you to look over that explains just about everything there is as to the whys and where fours of cycling a tank and whats going on in there while it is. Here's the link again for those who might have missed it. Most definitely suggested reading!   http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html   Thanks again Len.  Great information! Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40322	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Norman's Lampeye

This site http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1, which has a pretty thorough listing of Aquarium Clubs also lists: Aloha Betta Chapter, 504-D. Mananai Pl., Honolulu, HI, 96818, phone (808) 487-6460, alphabetta@.... We are a specific club pertaining to all species of Betta. If you have an interest in the Betta, Please check out our meetings. Check our website for current meeting dates, time & location. Currently, there are no dues for our club. Big Island Aquarium Society, P.O. Box 6807, Hilo, Hawaii, 96720, phone (808) 935-2510, fax (808) 934-0359, kazuor@.... Meetings General membership meetings are held on the first Friday of every month at the Komohana Agricultural Complex. The meetings start at 7:00 PM. Membership Senior Member - $15.00 Junior Member (under 18 yrs) - $5.00 Family of 2 - $17.00 Family of 3 or more - $20.00 Corresponding Member - $10.00 Ricky K. Ogata kazuor@... Honolulu Aquarium Society, P. O. Box 235791, Honolulu, HI, 96823-3513, phone (808) 988-1130. Meetings:First friday of the month (excludes holidays) Dues: $ 12.00 per person for Active Members; $ 15.00 for Family Membership; $ 10.00 for Affiliate (Corresponding) Membership $ 6.00 for Junior Members 16 years of age and younger. The Hawaii page also has links to each club. http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php?c=1&r=57 -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Norman's Lampeye I believe that there is an aquarium club based in Honolulu, which may or may not be close to you. If it is doable (you don't live on another island or something) seek it out and go to a meeting or two--maybe even join, and from there, you may be able to locate other killie keepers, which may lead you to your sought after fish, and/or to a killie club. Here is a link to the club site: http://honoluluaquariumsociety.startlogic.com \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Norman's Lampeye I live in Hawai'i Does anybody know where I can pickup a few Norman's Lampeye fish locally?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40323	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

I think it was Danio rosario (Rosey Danio's)... called Purple Passion Danio's up there, cuz your LFS knew you were a sucker for purple. ;-) As far as them schooling with the Corys... just tell them to just say NO (to drugs). LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's Okay so after having these danio's for awhile (I believe they are danio rerio but this is from memory and I could be wrong, LOL), I have noticed that they have darkened to a purple-ish hue, so I would assume that diet might have something to do with how pretty they are. They are also prettier under my lighting with the actinic's than they were at the LFS (fluorescent bulbs). I gave up on keeping glofish, after my last 2 died last month I decided not to keep them, I've had to replace them several times in the last 8-9 months, I think they just don't like my water parameters. Also, I don't know if danio's are just not very bright (intelligence wise), but they try to school with my albino aeneus cory's when they swim laps around my tank.... I suppose they look similar in color, but not in shape ;) So I often seen a school of danio's follow one or two cory's around the tank in circles ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40324	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Yep I'm a huge sucker for purple ;) I'd tell them to say no to drugs but I think they don't have any choice to what drugs end up in their water ;) Thankfully it was just pimafix and melafix recently ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I think it was Danio rosario (Rosey Danio's)... called Purple Passion > Danio's up there, cuz your LFS knew you were a sucker for purple. ;-) > > As far as them schooling with the Corys... just tell them to just say > NO (to > drugs). LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:22 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > Okay so after having these danio's for awhile (I believe they are danio > rerio but this is from memory and I could be wrong, LOL), I have noticed > that they have darkened to a purple-ish hue, so I would assume that diet > might have something to do with how pretty they are. They are also > prettier > under my lighting with the actinic's than they were at the LFS > (fluorescent > bulbs). I gave up on keeping glofish, after my last 2 died last month I > decided not to keep them, I've had to replace them several times in > the last > 8-9 months, I think they just don't like my water parameters. > Also, I don't know if danio's are just not very bright (intelligence > wise), > but they try to school with my albino aeneus cory's when they swim laps > around my tank.... I suppose they look similar in color, but not in > shape ;) > So I often seen a school of danio's follow one or two cory's around > the tank > in circles ;) > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40325	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Purple passion danio's

Maybe my cory's and danio's are racing each other, kind of like the hair and the turtle? ;) LOL I have a feeling the danio's win most of the time ;) Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Yep I'm a huge sucker for purple ;) > I'd tell them to say no to drugs but I think they don't have any choice > to what drugs end up in their water ;) Thankfully it was just pimafix > and melafix recently ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I think it was Danio rosario (Rosey Danio's)... called Purple Passion > > Danio's up there, cuz your LFS knew you were a sucker for purple. ;-) > > > > As far as them schooling with the Corys... just tell them to just say > > NO (to > > drugs). LOL > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Purple passion danio's > > > > Okay so after having these danio's for awhile (I believe they are danio > > rerio but this is from memory and I could be wrong, LOL), I have noticed > > that they have darkened to a purple-ish hue, so I would assume that diet > > might have something to do with how pretty they are. They are also > > prettier > > under my lighting with the actinic's than they were at the LFS > > (fluorescent > > bulbs). I gave up on keeping glofish, after my last 2 died last month I > > decided not to keep them, I've had to replace them several times in > > the last > > 8-9 months, I think they just don't like my water parameters. > > Also, I don't know if danio's are just not very bright (intelligence > > wise), > > but they try to school with my albino aeneus cory's when they swim laps > > around my tank.... I suppose they look similar in color, but not in > > shape ;) > > So I often seen a school of danio's follow one or two cory's around > > the tank > > in circles ;) > > > > Amber > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40326	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Fwd: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552

____________________________________ From: phrankg@... Reply-to: FreshwaterShrimp@yahoogroups.com To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, FreshwaterShrimp@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/15/2009 7:45:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552 I hope that pet owners on Connecticut are aware of the following bill, because the way it is written, it has the potential to ban the importation of ANY animal deemed wild. Because he proposed these amendments to a bill that was already being heard, there will be no further public hearing on this legislation and it is regarded as having a good chance of passing. It is critical that pet dealers and their customers, friends and others contact committee members to oppose these amendments! As this info is two months old, it is probably too late to do much. but I would contact your local politicians to see if this bill can be amended. Frank sHB 6552 AN ACT BANNING THE POSSESSION OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS ANIMALS AND THE IMPORTATION, POSSESSION AND LIBERATION OF WILD ANIMALS. SUMMARY: Current law bans the possession of potentially dangerous animals. This bill increases the penalty for illegally possessing a potentially dangerous animal, and greatly increases the number of species considered potentially dangerous. It exempts from the ban certain zoos, nature centers, and similar facilities but eliminates an exemption for people who legally owned a potentially dangerous animal on or before May 23, 1983. It increases the penalties for importing into, or releasing in, the state live fish, wild birds and mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and invertebrates without a Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) permit, and eliminates an exemption for certain small primates. It specifies species that cannot be imported or possessed under any circumstances, but exempts service primates from this restriction when certain conditions are met. It prohibits anyone from operating, providing, selling, using, or offering to operate, provide, sell, or use any computer software or service in the state that allows someone, when not physically present, to remotely control a firearm or other weapon to hunt a live animal or bird. Violation is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for up to one year, a fine of up to $ 2,000, or both. EFFECTIVE DATE: October 1, 2009 ANIMAL SPECIES CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS The law prohibits anyone from owning a potentially dangerous animal, which includes certain wild species of cat, dog, and bear. The bill greatly expands the number of species considered potentially dangerous. By law, people cannot possess the following wildlife, or any hybrid of: 1. members of the cat family, including lions, leopards, cheetahs, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundis, pumas (mountain lions), lynxes, and bobcats; (why aren't domestic cats listed? They pose a danger not only to humans but kill millions of wild songbirds and small animals each year) 2. members of the dog family, including wolves and coyotes; and (why aren't domestic dogs listed? They too are dangerous to humans, and cost us billions of dollars a year in medical and insurance expenses as well as lost productivity) 3. members of the bear family, including the black bear, grizzly bear, and brown bear. The bill also bans the possession of tigers, servals, caracals, jungle cats, and Savannah cats (Savannah cats, even though they are hybrids, are considered domestic cats and so should not be included in this ban. "Savannahs are considered one of the larger breeds of domesticated cats." FMG) in the cat family; and foxes in the dog family. It adds to the species of animals considered potentially dangerous, and thus illegal to possess, the: 1. hominidae, including gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans; 2. hylobatidae, including gibbons and lesser apes; 3. cercopithecidae, including baboons and macaques; 4. macropodidae, including kangaroos and wallabies; 5. mustelidae, including wolverines; (can this also include ferrets?) 6. hyaenidae, including hyenas; 7. elephantidae, (elephants); 8. hippopotamidae, (the hippopotamus); 9. rhinocerotidae, (the rhinoceros); 10. suidae, including warthogs; 11. alligatoridae, including alligators and caimans; 12. crocodylidae, including crocodiles; 13. gavialidae, including gavials; 14. elapidae, including cobras, coral snakes, and mambas; 15. viperidae, including copperheads, rattlesnakes, cottonmouths, and all other adders and vipers; 16. rear-fanged members of the colubridae in the genera lothornis boiga, thelotornis, thabdophis, enhydris, dispholidus, clelia, rhabdophis, hydrodynastes, philodryas, and malpolon; 17. Burmese/Indian, African rock, amethystine, and reticulated pythons of the pythonidae; 18. the green, yellow, and dark spotted anacondas of the boidae; 19. the helodermatidae, including Gila monsters and beaded lizards; and 20. the Nile monitor, water monitor, black-throat monitor, white-throat monitor, crocodile monitor and komodo dragon of the varanidae. ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS ANIMAL By law, anyone who possesses a potentially dangerous animal faces a maximum $ 1,000 fine, and the DEP commissioner must bill the owner for the costs of seizing, caring for, maintaining, and disposing of the animal. The commissioner may ask the attorney general to bring an action in Superior Court to recover the penalty and any amounts owed. The bill (1) increases the maximum fine to $ 2,000, (2) allows the commissioner to bill the owner for the costs of relocating the animal, and (3) allows her to ask the attorney general to ask the court for appropriate equitable and injunctive relief. As under current law, each violation is a separate and distinct offense, and in the case of a continuing violation, each day is considered a separate and distinct offense. The bill makes it a class A misdemeanor for anyone to willfully violate the law banning the possession of a potentially dangerous animal. A class A misdemeanor is punishable by a maximum fine of $ 2,000, up to one year in prison, or both. EXEMPTIONS The current prohibition against owning potentially dangerous animals does not apply to municipal parks, zoos, nature centers, museums, and laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific and education institutions, among others. The bill requires that municipal parks and zoos must be accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums or the Zoological Association of America to be exempt. It exempts public, nonprofit aquariums, and requires that, to be exempt, the laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific and educational institutions be registered with the U. S. Department of Agriculture. The bill eliminates an exemption from the ban for people who legally possessed a potentially dangerous animal before May 23, 1983. ILLEGALLY IMPORTING WILDLIFE INTO THE STATE The law requires anyone importing, introducing, possessing or liberating in the state, any live fish, wild bird, wild mammal, reptile, amphibian, or invertebrate to have a DEP permit. (does this mean that if I ship a fish int Ct., or if a Ct. resident buys a fish in NY, that they must apply for a DEP permit? How does this affect the NEC convention, held each year in Ct. each year?) It exempts from the requirement the importation or possession of a primate species weighing up to 50 pounds at maturity, if the animal was imported or possessed before October 1, 2003. The bill eliminates the exemption for these primates. The bill prohibits anyone, including otherwise exempt institutions, from importing or possessing any of the following species under any circumstances: 1. a primate in the families cheirogaleidae, lemuridae, lepilemuridae, indriidae, lorisdae, loris, daubentoniidae, galagidae, galago, tarsiidae, callitrichidae, pitheciidae, atelidae, or cebidae (except for certain capuchin monkeys, see below); 2. the sciuridae, including the prairie dog; 3. the viverridae, including the civet and genet; 4. any venomous species in the family arachnidea, including tarantulas and scorpions; and 5. any poisonous species in the family dendrobatidea, including poison arrow frogs. (PAF's bred in captivity, or wild ones in captivity over two months, are no longer poisonous. Why the ban? Obviously someone did not do their research, which it typical for this type of law) Service Monkey Exemption to Import Ban The bill allows the commissioner to issue a permit for a service primate for a permanently disabled person with a severe mobility impairment, if the person submits written documentation or certification to the commissioner: 1. from a licensed medical doctor attesting to the disability, mobility impairment, and need for a service primate to provide an essential function that the disabled person cannot perform; 2. that such service primate was legally obtained, is of the genus Cebus (capuchin monkey), and is trained by an accredited service primate training organization; and 3. that the organization providing the service primate is a nonprofit organization complying with all applicable federal and state animal welfare laws. Other Exemptions Current law allows the commissioner to exempt, by regulation, institutions such as zoos, research laboratories, colleges or universities, public nonprofit aquariums, and nature centers from the permit requirement. The bill also allows her to exempt, by regulation, municipal parks and museums. It eliminates the blanket exemption for colleges and universities, authorizing her instead to exempt laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific or educational institutions. Seizure and Disposal of Illegally Imported Animals By law, DEP must seize and dispose of an illegally imported or owned animal. The bill allows, rather than requires, DEP to seize and dispose of the animal. It also allows her to relocate it. It authorizes the commissioner to bill the owner or person illegally possessing (but not importing, introducing, or liberating) the animal for the costs of seizing, caring for, maintaining, relocating, or disposing of it. By law, a violation of the import ban is an infraction (see BACKGROUND). The bill instead sets a maximum penalty for violators of a $ 1,000 fine, to be set by a court, for each offense. Each violation is a separate and distinct offense, and, in the event of a continuing violation, each day's continuance is deemed a separate and distinct offense. The commissioner may ask the attorney general to bring an action in Superior Court to recover the civil penalty and any amounts owed for seizing, caring for, maintaining, relocating, or disposing of the animal, and for an order providing equitable and injunctive relief. The bill makes it a crime for anyone to willfully violate the law or any regulation banning illegal importation. Anyone convicted of willfully violating the law or regulations is guilty of a class C misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $ 500, up to three months in prison, or both. BACKGROUND Infractions Infractions are punishable by fines, usually set by a Superior Court judge, of between $ 35 and $ 90, plus a $ 20 or $ 35 surcharge and an additional fee based on the amount of the fine. COMMITTEE ACTION Environment Committee Joint Favorable Substitute Yea 28 Nay 2 (03/20/2009) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823239x1201398650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51509NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40327	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552

You know.. PIJAC or one of the other BIG industry trade groups need to set up a way that us hobbyists can be alerted to any new proposed law. Something we can subscribe to so that we would get email alerts whenever a new law is proposed that is detrimental to the hobby. Maybe PIJAC already offers this service but I did not see it when I poked around their site since they are mainly an organization for the bigger players in the Pet Industry. For other political matters that interest me, I belong to many mailing lists that send out alerts about proposed legislation, committee hearings, etc., with simple ways to FAX-BLAST (using Capwiz or other methods) our politicians and sometimes, these grass-roots PACS sites will give out phone numbers to call, etc. These things seem to work more often than not. Nothing scares or persuades a politician as much as getting thousands of phone calls and faxes from their constituents, telling them to vote Yes or No on something. Most of these grass roots services provide this FAX/PHONE BLAST service at no charge but they will usually ask you for donations on a regular basis but I rarely give to them although I will forward their information to others so maybe someone I referred is donating as most of these grass-roots PAC's since they've been around for many years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joesbirds@... Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:33 AM To: afamembership@... Cc: asabirds@yahoogroups.com; SOFTBILLED_BIRDS@yahoogroups.com; Nfss@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; AfricanFinchBreeders@yahoogroups.com; ken@... Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552 ____________________________________ From: phrankg@... Reply-to: FreshwaterShrimp@yahoogroups.com To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, FreshwaterShrimp@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/15/2009 7:45:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [FreshwaterShrimp] Connecticut Bill sHB 6552 I hope that pet owners on Connecticut are aware of the following bill, because the way it is written, it has the potential to ban the importation of ANY animal deemed wild. Because he proposed these amendments to a bill that was already being heard, there will be no further public hearing on this legislation and it is regarded as having a good chance of passing. It is critical that pet dealers and their customers, friends and others contact committee members to oppose these amendments! As this info is two months old, it is probably too late to do much. but I would contact your local politicians to see if this bill can be amended. Frank sHB 6552 AN ACT BANNING THE POSSESSION OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS ANIMALS AND THE IMPORTATION, POSSESSION AND LIBERATION OF WILD ANIMALS. SUMMARY: Current law bans the possession of potentially dangerous animals. This bill increases the penalty for illegally possessing a potentially dangerous animal, and greatly increases the number of species considered potentially dangerous. It exempts from the ban certain zoos, nature centers, and similar facilities but eliminates an exemption for people who legally owned a potentially dangerous animal on or before May 23, 1983. It increases the penalties for importing into, or releasing in, the state live fish, wild birds and mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and invertebrates without a Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) permit, and eliminates an exemption for certain small primates. It specifies species that cannot be imported or possessed under any circumstances, but exempts service primates from this restriction when certain conditions are met. It prohibits anyone from operating, providing, selling, using, or offering to operate, provide, sell, or use any computer software or service in the state that allows someone, when not physically present, to remotely control a firearm or other weapon to hunt a live animal or bird. Violation is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for up to one year, a fine of up to $ 2,000, or both. EFFECTIVE DATE: October 1, 2009 ANIMAL SPECIES CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS The law prohibits anyone from owning a potentially dangerous animal, which includes certain wild species of cat, dog, and bear. The bill greatly expands the number of species considered potentially dangerous. By law, people cannot possess the following wildlife, or any hybrid of: 1. members of the cat family, including lions, leopards, cheetahs, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundis, pumas (mountain lions), lynxes, and bobcats; (why aren't domestic cats listed? They pose a danger not only to humans but kill millions of wild songbirds and small animals each year) 2. members of the dog family, including wolves and coyotes; and (why aren't domestic dogs listed? They too are dangerous to humans, and cost us billions of dollars a year in medical and insurance expenses as well as lost productivity) 3. members of the bear family, including the black bear, grizzly bear, and brown bear. The bill also bans the possession of tigers, servals, caracals, jungle cats, and Savannah cats (Savannah cats, even though they are hybrids, are considered domestic cats and so should not be included in this ban. "Savannahs are considered one of the larger breeds of domesticated cats." FMG) in the cat family; and foxes in the dog family. It adds to the species of animals considered potentially dangerous, and thus illegal to possess, the: 1. hominidae, including gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans; 2. hylobatidae, including gibbons and lesser apes; 3. cercopithecidae, including baboons and macaques; 4. macropodidae, including kangaroos and wallabies; 5. mustelidae, including wolverines; (can this also include ferrets?) 6. hyaenidae, including hyenas; 7. elephantidae, (elephants); 8. hippopotamidae, (the hippopotamus); 9. rhinocerotidae, (the rhinoceros); 10. suidae, including warthogs; 11. alligatoridae, including alligators and caimans; 12. crocodylidae, including crocodiles; 13. gavialidae, including gavials; 14. elapidae, including cobras, coral snakes, and mambas; 15. viperidae, including copperheads, rattlesnakes, cottonmouths, and all other adders and vipers; 16. rear-fanged members of the colubridae in the genera lothornis boiga, thelotornis, thabdophis, enhydris, dispholidus, clelia, rhabdophis, hydrodynastes, philodryas, and malpolon; 17. Burmese/Indian, African rock, amethystine, and reticulated pythons of the pythonidae; 18. the green, yellow, and dark spotted anacondas of the boidae; 19. the helodermatidae, including Gila monsters and beaded lizards; and 20. the Nile monitor, water monitor, black-throat monitor, white-throat monitor, crocodile monitor and komodo dragon of the varanidae. ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS ANIMAL By law, anyone who possesses a potentially dangerous animal faces a maximum $ 1,000 fine, and the DEP commissioner must bill the owner for the costs of seizing, caring for, maintaining, and disposing of the animal. The commissioner may ask the attorney general to bring an action in Superior Court to recover the penalty and any amounts owed. The bill (1) increases the maximum fine to $ 2,000, (2) allows the commissioner to bill the owner for the costs of relocating the animal, and (3) allows her to ask the attorney general to ask the court for appropriate equitable and injunctive relief. As under current law, each violation is a separate and distinct offense, and in the case of a continuing violation, each day is considered a separate and distinct offense. The bill makes it a class A misdemeanor for anyone to willfully violate the law banning the possession of a potentially dangerous animal. A class A misdemeanor is punishable by a maximum fine of $ 2,000, up to one year in prison, or both. EXEMPTIONS The current prohibition against owning potentially dangerous animals does not apply to municipal parks, zoos, nature centers, museums, and laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific and education institutions, among others. The bill requires that municipal parks and zoos must be accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums or the Zoological Association of America to be exempt. It exempts public, nonprofit aquariums, and requires that, to be exempt, the laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific and educational institutions be registered with the U. S. Department of Agriculture. The bill eliminates an exemption from the ban for people who legally possessed a potentially dangerous animal before May 23, 1983. ILLEGALLY IMPORTING WILDLIFE INTO THE STATE The law requires anyone importing, introducing, possessing or liberating in the state, any live fish, wild bird, wild mammal, reptile, amphibian, or invertebrate to have a DEP permit. (does this mean that if I ship a fish int Ct., or if a Ct. resident buys a fish in NY, that they must apply for a DEP permit? How does this affect the NEC convention, held each year in Ct. each year?) It exempts from the requirement the importation or possession of a primate species weighing up to 50 pounds at maturity, if the animal was imported or possessed before October 1, 2003. The bill eliminates the exemption for these primates. The bill prohibits anyone, including otherwise exempt institutions, from importing or possessing any of the following species under any circumstances: 1. a primate in the families cheirogaleidae, lemuridae, lepilemuridae, indriidae, lorisdae, loris, daubentoniidae, galagidae, galago, tarsiidae, callitrichidae, pitheciidae, atelidae, or cebidae (except for certain capuchin monkeys, see below); 2. the sciuridae, including the prairie dog; 3. the viverridae, including the civet and genet; 4. any venomous species in the family arachnidea, including tarantulas and scorpions; and 5. any poisonous species in the family dendrobatidea, including poison arrow frogs. (PAF's bred in captivity, or wild ones in captivity over two months, are no longer poisonous. Why the ban? Obviously someone did not do their research, which it typical for this type of law) Service Monkey Exemption to Import Ban The bill allows the commissioner to issue a permit for a service primate for a permanently disabled person with a severe mobility impairment, if the person submits written documentation or certification to the commissioner: 1. from a licensed medical doctor attesting to the disability, mobility impairment, and need for a service primate to provide an essential function that the disabled person cannot perform; 2. that such service primate was legally obtained, is of the genus Cebus (capuchin monkey), and is trained by an accredited service primate training organization; and 3. that the organization providing the service primate is a nonprofit organization complying with all applicable federal and state animal welfare laws. Other Exemptions Current law allows the commissioner to exempt, by regulation, institutions such as zoos, research laboratories, colleges or universities, public nonprofit aquariums, and nature centers from the permit requirement. The bill also allows her to exempt, by regulation, municipal parks and museums. It eliminates the blanket exemption for colleges and universities, authorizing her instead to exempt laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific or educational institutions. Seizure and Disposal of Illegally Imported Animals By law, DEP must seize and dispose of an illegally imported or owned animal. The bill allows, rather than requires, DEP to seize and dispose of the animal. It also allows her to relocate it. It authorizes the commissioner to bill the owner or person illegally possessing (but not importing, introducing, or liberating) the animal for the costs of seizing, caring for, maintaining, relocating, or disposing of it. By law, a violation of the import ban is an infraction (see BACKGROUND). The bill instead sets a maximum penalty for violators of a $ 1,000 fine, to be set by a court, for each offense. Each violation is a separate and distinct offense, and, in the event of a continuing violation, each day's continuance is deemed a separate and distinct offense. The commissioner may ask the attorney general to bring an action in Superior Court to recover the civil penalty and any amounts owed for seizing, caring for, maintaining, relocating, or disposing of the animal, and for an order providing equitable and injunctive relief. The bill makes it a crime for anyone to willfully violate the law or any regulation banning illegal importation. Anyone convicted of willfully violating the law or regulations is guilty of a class C misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $ 500, up to three months in prison, or both. BACKGROUND Infractions Infractions are punishable by fines, usually set by a Superior Court judge, of between $ 35 and $ 90, plus a $ 20 or $ 35 surcharge and an additional fee based on the amount of the fine. COMMITTEE ACTION Environment Committee Joint Favorable Substitute Yea 28 Nay 2 (03/20/2009) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40328	From: Darlene	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: how to calculate tank size

what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40329	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

For U.S. gallons, multiply the inches L x W x H, divide by 231 = U.S. Gallons so if your numbers are in inches, then it's 30 x 12 x 18 / 231 = 28.05 U.S. Gallons, commonly called a 29 Gallon tank. That is the size of mine... :o) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > > what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank > > HxWxD divided by .............??? > > Darlene > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40330	From: bill1433	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

231 Bill --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:28 PM > what is the formula used to measure > how many gallons in a tank > > HxWxD  divided by .............??? > > Darlene > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40331	From: Darlene	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Thanks Guys :) now my friend will know how big his tank is !! LOL Darlene --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > For U.S. gallons, multiply the inches L x W x H, divide by 231 = U.S. > Gallons so if your numbers are in inches, then it's 30 x 12 x 18 / 231 = > 28.05 U.S. Gallons, commonly called a 29 Gallon tank. > > That is the size of mine... :o) > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: > > > > > > what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank > > > > HxWxD divided by .............??? > > > > Darlene > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40332	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

231 -----Original Message----- From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28 am Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40333	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

> Lenny wrote: > > BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while > you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. You > don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's instructions > should also say this. > Oh, we are having couple of days in which everything we've touched has turned to [bad word] -- and having replaced the (carbon) filters during the scheduled tank maintenance before starting treatment is just another grand [bad word]-up to add to the list. Heaven forbid they say so on the box with the instructions. No, they buried that deep in the "Disease Guide and Diagnostic Chart" insert -- which (silly me) I assumed was for diagnosing the NEXT plague, not instructions for usage on this one. It says that once started, to treat for the full duration (as with any antibiotic.) But I've already screwed it up by sending yesterday's first large dose through brand new carbon filters. Do I quickly remove that carbon and continue? Do I rinse the coffee grounds off the old filters from the kitchen trash can and put them back in? Do I leave the new carbon filters where they are? Do I go back to the store for a second round of dosage? Oh, just shoot me now. You wouldn't believe what else (not tank related) has gone wrong. I think I'm just going to lock myself in the garage and drink heavily. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40334	From: sandi turner	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

231 --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Darlene <amazonbirds@...> wrote: From: Darlene <amazonbirds@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:28 PM what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by ............ .??? Darlene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40335	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

231. While HxWxD is one way of looking at a tank, the standard formula for a common rectangular tank is L x W x H, (Length = Long Side.. or front/back) x (Width = Short side.. or side) x (Height = which is also the depth of the water in the tank), which is why they do NOT use Depth of the tank in the formula since using the HxWxD, someone could get confused by the use of Height and Depth. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40336	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Drink heavily - I like it! Great idea! I would just remove the carbon and go forward. If you need more meds, I would go buy them as the plan moves forward. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Kuradi Eit <kuradi8@...> wrote: > > >> Lenny wrote: >> >> BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while >> you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. You >> don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's instructions >> should also say this. >> > > Oh, we are having couple of days in which everything we've touched has > turned to [bad word] -- and having replaced the (carbon) filters during the > scheduled tank maintenance before starting treatment is just another grand > [bad word]-up to add to the list. > > Heaven forbid they say so on the box with the instructions. No, they buried > that deep in the "Disease Guide and Diagnostic Chart" insert -- which (silly > me) I assumed was for diagnosing the NEXT plague, not instructions for usage > on this one. > > It says that once started, to treat for the full duration (as with any > antibiotic.) But I've already screwed it up by sending yesterday's first > large dose through brand new carbon filters. > > Do I quickly remove that carbon and continue? Do I rinse the coffee grounds > off the old filters from the kitchen trash can and put them back in? Do I > leave the new carbon filters where they are? Do I go back to the store for a > second round of dosage? > > Oh, just shoot me now. You wouldn't believe what else (not tank related) has > gone wrong. I think I'm just going to lock myself in the garage and drink > heavily. > ~Kai > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40337	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

LOL. Sorry to be the bearer of such good but bad news. Hopefully, you've removed your cartridge already and added your second dose of meds to bring it back up the correct level. I would suspect that new carbon would have a really good chance of having removed all of the meds if the water ran through it for an entire day. The good news is that the fish did get some of the meds via osmoregulation and I'm guessing there is some uptake of meds via gill function... but I'm not positive about that. If your filter cartridges only come with the carbon locked in them, take a look at my "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance" article and the "Filter Profile - Penguin Bio-Wheel 200" article on my blog and you'll see how I did "surgery" to open the filter cartridge up and remove the carbon since I (and many others) know that it is not necessary to run carbon if a tank is properly taken care of in the first place. Carbon, or something better, like Purigen, does help in overstocked tanks or tanks where maintenance isn't being done regularly... but that's like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while > you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. > You don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's > instructions should also say this. > Oh, we are having couple of days in which everything we've touched has turned to [bad word] -- and having replaced the (carbon) filters during the scheduled tank maintenance before starting treatment is just another grand [bad word]-up to add to the list. Heaven forbid they say so on the box with the instructions. No, they buried that deep in the "Disease Guide and Diagnostic Chart" insert -- which (silly me) I assumed was for diagnosing the NEXT plague, not instructions for usage on this one. It says that once started, to treat for the full duration (as with any antibiotic.) But I've already screwed it up by sending yesterday's first large dose through brand new carbon filters. Do I quickly remove that carbon and continue? Do I rinse the coffee grounds off the old filters from the kitchen trash can and put them back in? Do I leave the new carbon filters where they are? Do I go back to the store for a second round of dosage? Oh, just shoot me now. You wouldn't believe what else (not tank related) has gone wrong. I think I'm just going to lock myself in the garage and drink heavily. ~Kai ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40338	From: Debra	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Cheers Kai: Just take out the filters, rinse them well, and let them dry. You can put them back in after you are finished medicating the tank. Just continue on as if you didn't have the filters in. What size is the tank you are treating? How many fish? How long were the filters in after you dosed the tank? Relax. Drink responsibly. Things will get better! Deb Ocean Springs, MS Enjoying the weather! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Kuradi Eit" <kuradi8@...> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:38:13 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while > you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. You > don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's instructions > should also say this. > Oh, we are having couple of days in which everything we've touched has turned to [bad word] -- and having replaced the (carbon) filters during the scheduled tank maintenance before starting treatment is just another grand [bad word]-up to add to the list. Heaven forbid they say so on the box with the instructions. No, they buried that deep in the "Disease Guide and Diagnostic Chart" insert -- which (silly me) I assumed was for diagnosing the NEXT plague, not instructions for usage on this one. It says that once started, to treat for the full duration (as with any antibiotic.) But I've already screwed it up by sending yesterday's first large dose through brand new carbon filters. Do I quickly remove that carbon and continue? Do I rinse the coffee grounds off the old filters from the kitchen trash can and put them back in? Do I leave the new carbon filters where they are? Do I go back to the store for a second round of dosage? Oh, just shoot me now. You wouldn't believe what else (not tank related) has gone wrong. I think I'm just going to lock myself in the garage and drink heavily. ~Kai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40339	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

TGIF!!!! Hiccup! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:01 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment Drink heavily - I like it! Great idea! I would just remove the carbon and go forward. If you need more meds, I would go buy them as the plan moves forward. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Kuradi Eit <kuradi8@...> wrote: > > >> Lenny wrote: >> >> BUT DO NOT ADD CARBON while >> you are treating with any medicines and ALSO remove the old carbon. >> You don't want the carbon removing the medicine. Your medicine's >> instructions should also say this. >> > > Oh, we are having couple of days in which everything we've touched has > turned to [bad word] -- and having replaced the (carbon) filters > during the scheduled tank maintenance before starting treatment is > just another grand [bad word]-up to add to the list. > > Heaven forbid they say so on the box with the instructions. No, they > buried that deep in the "Disease Guide and Diagnostic Chart" insert -- > which (silly > me) I assumed was for diagnosing the NEXT plague, not instructions for > usage on this one. > > It says that once started, to treat for the full duration (as with any > antibiotic.) But I've already screwed it up by sending yesterday's > first large dose through brand new carbon filters. > > Do I quickly remove that carbon and continue? Do I rinse the coffee > grounds off the old filters from the kitchen trash can and put them > back in? Do I leave the new carbon filters where they are? Do I go > back to the store for a second round of dosage? > > Oh, just shoot me now. You wouldn't believe what else (not tank > related) has gone wrong. I think I'm just going to lock myself in the > garage and drink heavily. > ~Kai > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40340	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Odd behavior in my guppy's

Okay I'm not sure if they are acting this way because of my nasty angel fish attacking anything that gets too close to their side of the tank, but 2 of my female guppy's are swimming oddly, like their tails don't work very well all of a sudden. Not to mention most of the inhabitants are now hiding most of the time, including my severum unless he's hungry. I have to wait for my hubby to build my new fish tank stand for the new 55 gallon downstairs, otherwise he will be very grumpy if I fill it with water and gravel and fish ;) LOL. Should I move those guppy's to my other 55 gallon for now? They have droopy butts like they're suddenly very heavy and the tail doesn't want to move so fast anymore when they swim, so they do more like a wiggle now... hard to describe I suppose. They almost appear bent, or curved slightly with the tail end lower than their heads are. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40341	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40342	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

I fished the old filters out of the kitchen trash, rinsed them well and put them back in before adding today's dose. I rinsed the new filters well and put them aside for next time. Yes, they're the pre-packaged cartridges with carbon inside. They were brand spankin' new out of the box when I put them in. I followed with the first dose shortly thereafter and read about "NO CARBON!!!" about 24 hours later -- so did they benefit from the first dose or not? [bad word!] Probably not. It's a 55g with a couple of catfish, a pl*co and some tin foil barbs. Penguin HOB, two bubble curtains, stabile pH, low/no ammonia, low/no nitrites, and a plague. My normal routine is to vacuum on the 1st and 15th, and change the filters on the 15th. It just happened that the start of the medication coincided with a filter-change maintenance -- which was unfortunate. And doubly so because I only read the directions on the box, not the stray important sentences buried in the text of the hype pamphlet inside. Because I'm (don't tell the burglars) heading out of town, I'm going to give them this course of medicine before I go, leave them under hubby's "care," hope for the best and then re-dose them if necessary when I come back. Oh, and I decided to self-medicate with ice cream instead of alcohol. (Gotta work tomorrow...) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40343	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40344	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's

I'm presuming this is your 125G since you mention the Angelfish and the Severum. DO NOT MOVE THE "SICK FISH" TO ANOTHER TANK... unless you move them to a Hospital Tank... which is where you should be moving them. How old are these guppies? I've seen this kind of behavior in minnow type fish (tetras, zebra danios, etc.) when they are getting ready to die... often times of old age or something that is only affecting them but none of the other fish in the water. If it can't possibly be old age, the bent/curved spine and all of your fish acting sick is NOT a good thing. START WEARING LONG RUBBER GLOVES WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR HANDS INTO THE TANK AND THEN WASH YOUR HANDS AND ARMS IF ANY TANK WATER GETS ON THEM. The bent spine and other behavior from the hiding fish COULD be from an electrical short/stray voltage, but could also be from Fish TB... SO UNTIL WE KNOW THE CAUSE, YOU SHOULD TAKE SERIOUS PRECAUTIONS AS FISH TB IS CONTAGIOUS TO HUMANS, ALTHOUGH IT WILL NOT CAUSE HUMAN TB, BUT RATHER A NASTY SKIN INFECTION. The bent spine is also a symptom of NTD - Neon Tetra Disease, which the common name is misleading as this disease has spread to other fish but was first found in Neon Tetra's and nearly wiped out the aquarium trade of Neon Tetras several years back because it was so virulent in it's spread. Your fish sound like they are sick.. unless the Angelfish and Catfish are just terrorizing the other fish so they stay in hiding. The symptoms you describe in the guppies could be from old age but then old age shouldn't make the rest of your fish "hide all the time". They could also be sick, and in nature a sick fish/animal's first instinct is to hide as a sick or weak animal will be the first one a predator goes after since the others would be more able to get away. Healthy fish will sometimes even bully a sick fish to death so a sick fish will often hide even when there are no predators around. So...why would your fish all of a sudden get sick? Well, we know that stress will cause a fish's immune system to falter and when that happens, the fish start to get sick from things they normally would be able to resist, with a healthy immune system. What is causing this stress? The Angelfish could be one of the causes. That nocturnal predatory catfish could be another cause. Or it could just be a new pathogen got into your tank that the fish had no immune defenses... or, as mentioned above, an electrical short can cause serious amounts of fish stress. Why would the Angelfish be a stressor? Well, you mention that they've taken over half of the tank and aggressively go after any fish that venture near their side of the tank. I've used this analogy before... what would stress out a human? Would be locked in a big room with Hannibal Lector stress you out? Wouldn't you be afraid to sleep knowing Hannibal Lector is in the same room and if you go to sleep, he might eat your face off while you sleep? Well, that could be what your fish are feeling between the Angelfish and the Catfish. I also saw this in my Goldfish tank a couple of years ago, when I was wondering why they were sleeping so much more during the day. I finally realized it was because my Common Pleco had gotten pretty big but he never bothered the goldfish but he was more active after dark so while the goldfish were trying to sleep, they had to worry about this BIG Here's an article about "Stray Voltage" from electrical shortages to help you determine if this could be the cause. http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html Yes, it's on a SW Reef site but that is because SW conducts electricity much easier than FW so the problem is more of a possibility in a SW environment. If it's not from stray voltage, then you can presume it's from disease. Here's a snip from my blog article about Disease which has this section about Non-Disease and Stress issues and links to some very thorough websites. Non-Disease Diagnosis: Are Your Fish Really Suffering From Disease? A guide to non-disease causes of illness http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm (GoldLenny) Stress Related Problems: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005 (DataGuru from TheGAB.org) http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/stress.html (GoldLenny) http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476 (GoldLenny) http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html (GoldLenny) http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.htm (GoldLenny) http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php (GoldLenny) Quite often, if we can remove or prevent as many stressors as possible, we'll have less health issues with our fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's Okay I'm not sure if they are acting this way because of my nasty angel fish attacking anything that gets too close to their side of the tank, but 2 of my female guppy's are swimming oddly, like their tails don't work very well all of a sudden. Not to mention most of the inhabitants are now hiding most of the time, including my severum unless he's hungry. I have to wait for my hubby to build my new fish tank stand for the new 55 gallon downstairs, otherwise he will be very grumpy if I fill it with water and gravel and fish ;) LOL. Should I move those guppy's to my other 55 gallon for now? They have droopy butts like they're suddenly very heavy and the tail doesn't want to move so fast anymore when they swim, so they do more like a wiggle now... hard to describe I suppose. They almost appear bent, or curved slightly with the tail end lower than their heads are. Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40345	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Since we've already discussed the medicine and treatment, I'll skip to your "normal routine" maintenance. Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely overstocked if the Pleco is a common pleco, since they need 75G as a bare minimum just for themselves... and the catfish need to be identified because catfish can range in size from 1" Midget Catfish to SIX FOOT LONG monster catfish. While a 55G is OK for BIG catfish while they are babies/juvis, as these fish grow, there has to be plans for a larger tank, otherwise the tank will start to suffer from water quality issues from the ever increasing bioload. What worked for routine maintenance in the beginning will NOT work as the fish grow. BIG fish grow in body mass by EIGHT times or more for each time they double their length so a 4" fish isn't equal to two 2" fish... but rather EIGHT 2" fish. So the maintenance that worked for that 2" fish, when it reaches 4" will have to be increased by EIGHT times, not just two times. Because of the above, you need to increase your vacuuming and 25% PWC's to at least once a week and you should NEVER change your filter cartridge... instead, clean it properly once a week. Of course, if once a week doesn't keep the water in good condition due to the increasing bioload, then you might have to go up to twice a week gravel vacuuming, PWC's and filter maintenance. While every other week maintenance can work for a light to medium bioload in a balanced tank with plants, etc., in a fully stocked tank, weekly PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter maintenance will likely be needed. In a heavily stocked tank, even more frequently. Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance", which goes into more details and also shows you how to modify your filter cartridges so you do not have to change them out. They are designed to last for many, many years so you are just throwing money away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely putting your tank into a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could be a cause of your health issues... that and the likely fact that your tank is overstocked. Give us more details on fish sizes and the species of your pleco and catfish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment I fished the old filters out of the kitchen trash, rinsed them well and put them back in before adding today's dose. I rinsed the new filters well and put them aside for next time. Yes, they're the pre-packaged cartridges with carbon inside. They were brand spankin' new out of the box when I put them in. I followed with the first dose shortly thereafter and read about "NO CARBON!!!" about 24 hours later -- so did they benefit from the first dose or not? [bad word!] Probably not. It's a 55g with a couple of catfish, a pl*co and some tin foil barbs. Penguin HOB, two bubble curtains, stabile pH, low/no ammonia, low/no nitrites, and a plague. My normal routine is to vacuum on the 1st and 15th, and change the filters on the 15th. It just happened that the start of the medication coincided with a filter-change maintenance -- which was unfortunate. And doubly so because I only read the directions on the box, not the stray important sentences buried in the text of the hype pamphlet inside. Because I'm (don't tell the burglars) heading out of town, I'm going to give them this course of medicine before I go, leave them under hubby's "care," hope for the best and then re-dose them if necessary when I come back. Oh, and I decided to self-medicate with ice cream instead of alcohol. (Gotta work tomorrow...) ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40346	From: Debra	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Did you do as Lenny suggested and remove the charcoal from your filyters before you put them back? What kind of plague are you trying to cure? Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Kuradi Eit" <kuradi8@...> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:16:26 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment I fished the old filters out of the kitchen trash, rinsed them well and put them back in before adding today's dose. I rinsed the new filters well and put them aside for next time. Yes, they're the pre-packaged cartridges with carbon inside. They were brand spankin' new out of the box when I put them in. I followed with the first dose shortly thereafter and read about "NO CARBON!!!" about 24 hours later -- so did they benefit from the first dose or not? [bad word!] Probably not. It's a 55g with a couple of catfish, a pl*co and some tin foil barbs. Penguin HOB, two bubble curtains, stabile pH, low/no ammonia, low/no nitrites, and a plague. My normal routine is to vacuum on the 1st and 15th, and change the filters on the 15th. It just happened that the start of the medication coincided with a filter-change maintenance -- which was unfortunate. And doubly so because I only read the directions on the box, not the stray important sentences buried in the text of the hype pamphlet inside. Because I'm (don't tell the burglars) heading out of town, I'm going to give them this course of medicine before I go, leave them under hubby's "care," hope for the best and then re-dose them if necessary when I come back. Oh, and I decided to self-medicate with ice cream instead of alcohol. (Gotta work tomorrow...) ~Kai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40347	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Norman's Lampeye

Thanks guys! I contacted the Honolulu Aquarium Society and will probably be going to the next meeting in June. Thank you for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40348	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's

They are full sized female guppy's, I have had them for over 6 months myself and they were full grown at the LFS so I'm not sure how old they are honestly. It is possible that they could be getting ready to die of old age... None of the other fish are acting sick, just hiding from the angel fish and their nasty habits of chasing fish ;) I had a danio with (I think was) fish TB and they don't look the same as that one did... but perhaps it could be that still. My fish don't hide all the time I suppose I should clarify that they all stay one ONE side of the tank away from the angel fish, and when the angel fish come over there they then run away and hide until they stop chasing them ;) The only ones that hide all the time are the nocturnal catfish in the tank, I've only seen them out at night once or twice. Lenny you post too much for me to respond to in my sleepy half minded state, LOL. I will respond later when I can read more. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I'm presuming this is your 125G since you mention the Angelfish and the > Severum. > > DO NOT MOVE THE "SICK FISH" TO ANOTHER TANK... unless you move them to a > Hospital Tank... which is where you should be moving them. > > How old are these guppies? I've seen this kind of behavior in minnow type > fish (tetras, zebra danios, etc.) when they are getting ready to die... > often times of old age or something that is only affecting them but > none of > the other fish in the water. If it can't possibly be old age, the > bent/curved spine and all of your fish acting sick is NOT a good thing. > START WEARING LONG RUBBER GLOVES WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR HANDS INTO > THE TANK AND THEN WASH YOUR HANDS AND ARMS IF ANY TANK WATER GETS ON THEM. > The bent spine and other behavior from the hiding fish COULD be from an > electrical short/stray voltage, but could also be from Fish TB... SO UNTIL > WE KNOW THE CAUSE, YOU SHOULD TAKE SERIOUS PRECAUTIONS AS FISH TB IS > CONTAGIOUS TO HUMANS, ALTHOUGH IT WILL NOT CAUSE HUMAN TB, BUT RATHER A > NASTY SKIN INFECTION. The bent spine is also a symptom of NTD - Neon Tetra > Disease, which the common name is misleading as this disease has spread to > other fish but was first found in Neon Tetra's and nearly wiped out the > aquarium trade of Neon Tetras several years back because it was so > virulent > in it's spread. > > Your fish sound like they are sick.. unless the Angelfish and Catfish are > just terrorizing the other fish so they stay in hiding. The symptoms you > describe in the guppies could be from old age but then old age shouldn't > make the rest of your fish "hide all the time". They could also be sick, > and in nature a sick fish/animal's first instinct is to hide as a sick or > weak animal will be the first one a predator goes after since the others > would be more able to get away. Healthy fish will sometimes even bully a > sick fish to death so a sick fish will often hide even when there are no > predators around. > > So...why would your fish all of a sudden get sick? Well, we know that > stress will cause a fish's immune system to falter and when that happens, > the fish start to get sick from things they normally would be able to > resist, with a healthy immune system. What is causing this stress? The > Angelfish could be one of the causes. That nocturnal predatory catfish > could be another cause. Or it could just be a new pathogen got into your > tank that the fish had no immune defenses... or, as mentioned above, an > electrical short can cause serious amounts of fish stress. Why would the > Angelfish be a stressor? Well, you mention that they've taken over half of > the tank and aggressively go after any fish that venture near their > side of > the tank. I've used this analogy before... what would stress out a human? > Would be locked in a big room with Hannibal Lector stress you out? > Wouldn't > you be afraid to sleep knowing Hannibal Lector is in the same room and if > you go to sleep, he might eat your face off while you sleep? Well, that > could be what your fish are feeling between the Angelfish and the Catfish. > I also saw this in my Goldfish tank a couple of years ago, when I was > wondering why they were sleeping so much more during the day. I finally > realized it was because my Common Pleco had gotten pretty big but he never > bothered the goldfish but he was more active after dark so while the > goldfish were trying to sleep, they had to worry about this BIG > > Here's an article about "Stray Voltage" from electrical shortages to help > you determine if this could be the cause. > http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html > <http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html> Yes, it's > on a SW > Reef site but that is because SW conducts electricity much easier than > FW so > the problem is more of a possibility in a SW environment. If it's not from > stray voltage, then you can presume it's from disease. > > Here's a snip from my blog article about Disease which has this section > about Non-Disease and Stress issues and links to some very thorough > websites. > > Non-Disease Diagnosis: > > Are Your Fish Really Suffering From Disease? A guide to non-disease causes > of illness http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm> (GoldLenny) > > Stress Related Problems: > > http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005 <http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005> > (DataGuru from TheGAB.org) > > http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/stress.html > <http://www.cs.duke.edu/%7Enarten/faq/stress.html> (GoldLenny) > > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476 > <http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476> > (GoldLenny) > > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html> (GoldLenny) > > http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.htm > <http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.htm> > (GoldLenny) > > http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php > <http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php> (GoldLenny) > > Quite often, if we can remove or prevent as many stressors as possible, > we'll have less health issues with our fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's > > Okay I'm not sure if they are acting this way because of my nasty > angel fish > attacking anything that gets too close to their side of the tank, but 2 of > my female guppy's are swimming oddly, like their tails don't work very > well > all of a sudden. Not to mention most of the inhabitants are now hiding > most > of the time, including my severum unless he's hungry. > I have to wait for my hubby to build my new fish tank stand for the new > 55 gallon downstairs, otherwise he will be very grumpy if I fill it with > water and gravel and fish ;) LOL. > Should I move those guppy's to my other 55 gallon for now? They have > droopy > butts like they're suddenly very heavy and the tail doesn't want to > move so > fast anymore when they swim, so they do more like a wiggle now... hard to > describe I suppose. They almost appear bent, or curved slightly with the > tail end lower than their heads are. > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40349	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Dwarf Water Lily

I've had my Dwarf Water Lily for about 6 years now in my pond and been waiting for it to bloom. I use aquatic fertilizers and still only get more leaves and no bloom. Am I doing something wrong? All my other plants really take off and the water lily is the only one that don't bloom ?!?!?!? Anyone know any tricks that may help me out. It has sunlight for most of the day and the plant is down about 18" so what could I be doing wrong?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40350	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's

Well, according to my ever growing list of fish on "How Long Should Your Fish Live" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm l, Guppies should live for 3+ years. Since they were already adults when you bought them, then it's hard to tell how old they are. What do you mean by "you post too much"? LOL At least my long replies and lots of questions are better than the answer recently given on one of the Computer Help Yahoo Groups that I belong to. The thread has been going on for a few days with five or six replies... still with NO REAL ANSWER and the Original Poster will probably never come back because the first answer was SO STUPID. I know why the person replied that way but it would have been just as easy to ask the OP for more information than to give an accurate but STUPID answer. ----- Here's a snip of how that thread is progressing so far... 5a. Block IE from PC users Posted by: "davis4311@..." davis4311@... davis4311 Date: Wed May 13, 2009 2:58 pm ((PDT)) I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this possible to set up? Thanks, Davis Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 5b. Re: Block IE from PC users Posted by: "T. Hunt" roversouth@... huntthsouth Date: Wed May 13, 2009 3:22 pm ((PDT)) Yes. davis4311@... wrote: > I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this possible to set up? > > Thanks, Davis > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 5c. Re: Block IE from PC users Posted by: "Insha" insha.khan@... insha.khan Date: Wed May 13, 2009 7:42 pm ((PDT)) Wow, you guys are so helpful! LMAO!!!! Thanks for the chuckle after an hour of trying to get the kids in bed ... On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, T. Hunt <roversouth@...> wrote: Yes. davis4311@... wrote: > I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this possible to set up? > > Thanks, Davis 5a. Re: Block IE from PC users Posted by: "T. Hunt" roversouth@... huntthsouth Date: Thu May 14, 2009 9:15 am ((PDT)) There are many ways to block internet access, ranging from network settings to software programs. The reason I gave such a detailed answer is because you provided so much information about your system and the way you connect to the internet. Tom Insha wrote: > Wow, you guys are so helpful! LMAO!!!! > > Thanks for the chuckle after an hour of trying to get the kids in bed ... > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, T. Hunt <roversouth@...> wrote: > > > Yes. > > > davis4311@... wrote: > > >> I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this possible to set up? >> >> Thanks, Davis Messages in this topic (8) ________________________________________________________________________ 5b. Re: Block IE from PC users Posted by: "Insha" insha.khan@... insha.khan Date: Thu May 14, 2009 9:56 am ((PDT)) I didn't ask the original question. I was laughing because I understood why you answered that way & it gave me a chuckle at the end of a long day. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's They are full sized female guppy's, I have had them for over 6 months myself and they were full grown at the LFS so I'm not sure how old they are honestly. It is possible that they could be getting ready to die of old age... None of the other fish are acting sick, just hiding from the angel fish and their nasty habits of chasing fish ;) I had a danio with (I think was) fish TB and they don't look the same as that one did... but perhaps it could be that still. My fish don't hide all the time I suppose I should clarify that they all stay one ONE side of the tank away from the angel fish, and when the angel fish come over there they then run away and hide until they stop chasing them ;) The only ones that hide all the time are the nocturnal catfish in the tank, I've only seen them out at night once or twice. Lenny you post too much for me to respond to in my sleepy half minded state, LOL. I will respond later when I can read more. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > I'm presuming this is your 125G since you mention the Angelfish and > the Severum. > > DO NOT MOVE THE "SICK FISH" TO ANOTHER TANK... unless you move them to > a Hospital Tank... which is where you should be moving them. > > How old are these guppies? I've seen this kind of behavior in minnow > type fish (tetras, zebra danios, etc.) when they are getting ready to die... > often times of old age or something that is only affecting them but > none of the other fish in the water. If it can't possibly be old age, > the bent/curved spine and all of your fish acting sick is NOT a good > thing. > START WEARING LONG RUBBER GLOVES WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR HANDS > INTO THE TANK AND THEN WASH YOUR HANDS AND ARMS IF ANY TANK WATER GETS ON THEM. > The bent spine and other behavior from the hiding fish COULD be from > an electrical short/stray voltage, but could also be from Fish TB... > SO UNTIL WE KNOW THE CAUSE, YOU SHOULD TAKE SERIOUS PRECAUTIONS AS > FISH TB IS CONTAGIOUS TO HUMANS, ALTHOUGH IT WILL NOT CAUSE HUMAN TB, > BUT RATHER A NASTY SKIN INFECTION. The bent spine is also a symptom of > NTD - Neon Tetra Disease, which the common name is misleading as this > disease has spread to other fish but was first found in Neon Tetra's > and nearly wiped out the aquarium trade of Neon Tetras several years > back because it was so virulent in it's spread. > > Your fish sound like they are sick.. unless the Angelfish and Catfish > are just terrorizing the other fish so they stay in hiding. The > symptoms you describe in the guppies could be from old age but then > old age shouldn't make the rest of your fish "hide all the time". They > could also be sick, and in nature a sick fish/animal's first instinct > is to hide as a sick or weak animal will be the first one a predator > goes after since the others would be more able to get away. Healthy > fish will sometimes even bully a sick fish to death so a sick fish > will often hide even when there are no predators around. > > So...why would your fish all of a sudden get sick? Well, we know that > stress will cause a fish's immune system to falter and when that > happens, the fish start to get sick from things they normally would be > able to resist, with a healthy immune system. What is causing this > stress? The Angelfish could be one of the causes. That nocturnal > predatory catfish could be another cause. Or it could just be a new > pathogen got into your tank that the fish had no immune defenses... > or, as mentioned above, an electrical short can cause serious amounts > of fish stress. Why would the Angelfish be a stressor? Well, you > mention that they've taken over half of the tank and aggressively go > after any fish that venture near their side of the tank. I've used > this analogy before... what would stress out a human? > Would be locked in a big room with Hannibal Lector stress you out? > Wouldn't > you be afraid to sleep knowing Hannibal Lector is in the same room and > if you go to sleep, he might eat your face off while you sleep? Well, > that could be what your fish are feeling between the Angelfish and the Catfish. > I also saw this in my Goldfish tank a couple of years ago, when I was > wondering why they were sleeping so much more during the day. I > finally realized it was because my Common Pleco had gotten pretty big > but he never bothered the goldfish but he was more active after dark > so while the goldfish were trying to sleep, they had to worry about > this BIG > > Here's an article about "Stray Voltage" from electrical shortages to > help you determine if this could be the cause. > http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html > <http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html> Yes, it's > on a SW Reef site but that is because SW conducts electricity much > easier than FW so the problem is more of a possibility in a SW > environment. If it's not from stray voltage, then you can presume it's > from disease. > > Here's a snip from my blog article about Disease which has this > section about Non-Disease and Stress issues and links to some very > thorough websites. > > Non-Disease Diagnosis: > > Are Your Fish Really Suffering From Disease? A guide to non-disease > causes of illness http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm> (GoldLenny) > > Stress Related Problems: > > http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005 <http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005> > (DataGuru from TheGAB.org) > > http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/stress.html > <http://www.cs.duke.edu/%7Enarten/faq/stress.html> (GoldLenny) > > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476 > <http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=247 > 6> > (GoldLenny) > > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html> (GoldLenny) > > http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.ht > m > <http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.h > tm> > (GoldLenny) > > http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php > <http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php> (GoldLenny) > > Quite often, if we can remove or prevent as many stressors as > possible, we'll have less health issues with our fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:19 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's > > Okay I'm not sure if they are acting this way because of my nasty > angel fish attacking anything that gets too close to their side of the > tank, but 2 of my female guppy's are swimming oddly, like their tails > don't work very well all of a sudden. Not to mention most of the > inhabitants are now hiding most of the time, including my severum > unless he's hungry. > I have to wait for my hubby to build my new fish tank stand for the > new > 55 gallon downstairs, otherwise he will be very grumpy if I fill it > with water and gravel and fish ;) LOL. > Should I move those guppy's to my other 55 gallon for now? They have > droopy butts like they're suddenly very heavy and the tail doesn't > want to move so fast anymore when they swim, so they do more like a > wiggle now... hard to describe I suppose. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40351	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in my guppy's

Yes.... Okay I couldn't resist, LOL. You're right you're lengthy and detailed responses are MUCH better than brief ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Well, according to my ever growing list of fish on "How Long Should Your > Fish Live" > http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm > <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm> > l, Guppies should live for 3+ years. Since they were already adults when > you bought them, then it's hard to tell how old they are. > > What do you mean by "you post too much"? LOL > > At least my long replies and lots of questions are better than the answer > recently given on one of the Computer Help Yahoo Groups that I belong to. > The thread has been going on for a few days with five or six replies... > still with NO REAL ANSWER and the Original Poster will probably never come > back because the first answer was SO STUPID. I know why the person replied > that way but it would have been just as easy to ask the OP for more > information than to give an accurate but STUPID answer. > > ----- > > Here's a snip of how that thread is progressing so far... > > 5a. Block IE from PC users > Posted by: "davis4311@... <mailto:davis4311%40yahoo.com>" > davis4311@... <mailto:davis4311%40yahoo.com> davis4311 > Date: Wed May 13, 2009 2:58 pm ((PDT)) > > I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this > possible > to set up? Thanks, Davis Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld > > Messages in this topic (3) > __________________________________________________________ > 5b. Re: Block IE from PC users > Posted by: "T. Hunt" roversouth@... > <mailto:roversouth%40bellsouth.net> huntthsouth > Date: Wed May 13, 2009 3:22 pm ((PDT)) > > Yes. > > davis4311@... <mailto:davis4311%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this > possible to set up? > > > > Thanks, Davis > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld > > Messages in this topic (3) > __________________________________________________________ > 5c. Re: Block IE from PC users > Posted by: "Insha" insha.khan@... > <mailto:insha.khan%40gmail.com> insha.khan > Date: Wed May 13, 2009 7:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Wow, you guys are so helpful! LMAO!!!! > > Thanks for the chuckle after an hour of trying to get the kids in bed ... > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, T. Hunt <roversouth@... > <mailto:roversouth%40bellsouth.net>> wrote: > > Yes. > > davis4311@... <mailto:davis4311%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this > possible to set up? > > > > Thanks, Davis > > 5a. Re: Block IE from PC users > Posted by: "T. Hunt" roversouth@... > <mailto:roversouth%40bellsouth.net> huntthsouth > Date: Thu May 14, 2009 9:15 am ((PDT)) > > There are many ways to block internet access, ranging from network > settings to software programs. The reason I gave such a detailed answer > is because you provided so much information about your system and the > way you connect to the internet. > > Tom > > Insha wrote: > > Wow, you guys are so helpful! LMAO!!!! > > > > Thanks for the chuckle after an hour of trying to get the kids in > bed ... > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, T. Hunt <roversouth@... > <mailto:roversouth%40bellsouth.net>> wrote: > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > davis4311@... <mailto:davis4311%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I have employees that I don't want on the internet at all? Is this > possible to set up? > >> > >> Thanks, Davis > > Messages in this topic (8) > __________________________________________________________ > 5b. Re: Block IE from PC users > Posted by: "Insha" insha.khan@... > <mailto:insha.khan%40gmail.com> insha.khan > Date: Thu May 14, 2009 9:56 am ((PDT)) > > I didn't ask the original question. I was laughing because I understood > why you answered that way & it gave me a chuckle at the end of a > long day. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's > > They are full sized female guppy's, I have had them for over 6 months > myself > and they were full grown at the LFS so I'm not sure how old they are > honestly. It is possible that they could be getting ready to die of old > age... > None of the other fish are acting sick, just hiding from the angel > fish and > their nasty habits of chasing fish ;) I had a danio with (I think was) > fish > TB and they don't look the same as that one did... but perhaps it could be > that still. > My fish don't hide all the time I suppose I should clarify that they all > stay one ONE side of the tank away from the angel fish, and when the angel > fish come over there they then run away and hide until they stop chasing > them ;) The only ones that hide all the time are the nocturnal catfish in > the tank, I've only seen them out at night once or twice. > Lenny you post too much for me to respond to in my sleepy half minded > state, > LOL. I will respond later when I can read more. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > I'm presuming this is your 125G since you mention the Angelfish and > > the Severum. > > > > DO NOT MOVE THE "SICK FISH" TO ANOTHER TANK... unless you move them to > > a Hospital Tank... which is where you should be moving them. > > > > How old are these guppies? I've seen this kind of behavior in minnow > > type fish (tetras, zebra danios, etc.) when they are getting ready to > die... > > often times of old age or something that is only affecting them but > > none of the other fish in the water. If it can't possibly be old age, > > the bent/curved spine and all of your fish acting sick is NOT a good > > thing. > > START WEARING LONG RUBBER GLOVES WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR HANDS > > INTO THE TANK AND THEN WASH YOUR HANDS AND ARMS IF ANY TANK WATER > GETS ON > THEM. > > The bent spine and other behavior from the hiding fish COULD be from > > an electrical short/stray voltage, but could also be from Fish TB... > > SO UNTIL WE KNOW THE CAUSE, YOU SHOULD TAKE SERIOUS PRECAUTIONS AS > > FISH TB IS CONTAGIOUS TO HUMANS, ALTHOUGH IT WILL NOT CAUSE HUMAN TB, > > BUT RATHER A NASTY SKIN INFECTION. The bent spine is also a symptom of > > NTD - Neon Tetra Disease, which the common name is misleading as this > > disease has spread to other fish but was first found in Neon Tetra's > > and nearly wiped out the aquarium trade of Neon Tetras several years > > back because it was so virulent in it's spread. > > > > Your fish sound like they are sick.. unless the Angelfish and Catfish > > are just terrorizing the other fish so they stay in hiding. The > > symptoms you describe in the guppies could be from old age but then > > old age shouldn't make the rest of your fish "hide all the time". They > > could also be sick, and in nature a sick fish/animal's first instinct > > is to hide as a sick or weak animal will be the first one a predator > > goes after since the others would be more able to get away. Healthy > > fish will sometimes even bully a sick fish to death so a sick fish > > will often hide even when there are no predators around. > > > > So...why would your fish all of a sudden get sick? Well, we know that > > stress will cause a fish's immune system to falter and when that > > happens, the fish start to get sick from things they normally would be > > able to resist, with a healthy immune system. What is causing this > > stress? The Angelfish could be one of the causes. That nocturnal > > predatory catfish could be another cause. Or it could just be a new > > pathogen got into your tank that the fish had no immune defenses... > > or, as mentioned above, an electrical short can cause serious amounts > > of fish stress. Why would the Angelfish be a stressor? Well, you > > mention that they've taken over half of the tank and aggressively go > > after any fish that venture near their side of the tank. I've used > > this analogy before... what would stress out a human? > > Would be locked in a big room with Hannibal Lector stress you out? > > Wouldn't > > you be afraid to sleep knowing Hannibal Lector is in the same room and > > if you go to sleep, he might eat your face off while you sleep? Well, > > that could be what your fish are feeling between the Angelfish and the > Catfish. > > I also saw this in my Goldfish tank a couple of years ago, when I was > > wondering why they were sleeping so much more during the day. I > > finally realized it was because my Common Pleco had gotten pretty big > > but he never bothered the goldfish but he was more active after dark > > so while the goldfish were trying to sleep, they had to worry about > > this BIG > > > > Here's an article about "Stray Voltage" from electrical shortages to > > help you determine if this could be the cause. > > http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html > <http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html> > > <http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html > <http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html>> Yes, it's > > on a SW Reef site but that is because SW conducts electricity much > > easier than FW so the problem is more of a possibility in a SW > > environment. If it's not from stray voltage, then you can presume it's > > from disease. > > > > Here's a snip from my blog article about Disease which has this > > section about Non-Disease and Stress issues and links to some very > > thorough websites. > > > > Non-Disease Diagnosis: > > > > Are Your Fish Really Suffering From Disease? A guide to non-disease > > causes of illness http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm> > > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm > <http://www3.sympatico.ca/drosera1/fish/illness.htm>> (GoldLenny) > > > > Stress Related Problems: > > > > http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005 <http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005> > <http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005 <http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA005>> > > (DataGuru from TheGAB.org) > > > > http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/stress.html > <http://www.cs.duke.edu/%7Enarten/faq/stress.html> > > <http://www.cs.duke.edu/%7Enarten/faq/stress.html > <http://www.cs.duke.edu/%7Enarten/faq/stress.html>> (GoldLenny) > > > > > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476 > <http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2476> > > > <http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=247 > <http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=247> > > 6> > > (GoldLenny) > > > > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html> > > <http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html > <http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-stress.html>> (GoldLenny) > > > > > http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.ht > <http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.ht> > > m > > > <http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.h > <http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/signs_of_stress_and_disease.h> > > tm> > > (GoldLenny) > > > > http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php > <http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php> > > <http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php > <http://www.algone.com/fishstress.php>> (GoldLenny) > > > > Quite often, if we can remove or prevent as many stressors as > > possible, we'll have less health issues with our fish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:19 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Odd behavior in my guppy's > > > > Okay I'm not sure if they are acting this way because of my nasty > > angel fish attacking anything that gets too close to their side of the > > tank, but 2 of my female guppy's are swimming oddly, like their tails > > don't work very well all of a sudden. Not to mention most of the > > inhabitants are now hiding most of the time, including my severum > > unless he's hungry. > > I have to wait for my hubby to build my new fish tank stand for the > > new > > 55 gallon downstairs, otherwise he will be very grumpy if I fill it > > with water and gravel and fish ;) LOL. > > Should I move those guppy's to my other 55 gallon for now? They have > > droopy butts like they're suddenly very heavy and the tail doesn't > > want to move so fast anymore when they swim, so they do more like a > > wiggle now... hard to describe I suppose. They almost appear bent, or > > curved slightly with the tail end lower than their heads are. > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40352	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Dwarf Water Lily

How much unfiltered sunlight does it get? Generally you need about 6 hours of sunlight for it to bloom. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Dwarf Water Lily I've had my Dwarf Water Lily for about 6 years now in my pond and been waiting for it to bloom. I use aquatic fertilizers and still only get more leaves and no bloom. Am I doing something wrong? All my other plants really take off and the water lily is the only one that don't bloom ?!?!?!? Anyone know any tricks that may help me out. It has sunlight for most of the day and the plant is down about 18" so what could I be doing wrong?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40354	From: Snert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Question about a refugium... sort of

I'm thinking of setting up a small FW tank in my kitchen. It will be 15 gallons, but because I'm so much into FW inverts, I have my small 5 gal cube that I'd like to set up as a "freshwater refugium" in line with my 15 gal with a Mbuna cichlid and a yoyo loach (BTW, the yo yo loach actually "cleans" the cichlid like a cleaner wrasse and the cichlid lets him do it, posturing for a cleaning whenever the loach comes near him. I've never seen FW fish do anything like that before, but I digress). Anyway, does anyone have a link to a page on how to set up a refugium and incorporate it into your main tank? I'd like an easy way if possible. Remember, this is FW, but I would assume that it would be no different than setting up a SW tank w/refugium. Thanks! Snert

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40355	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

My faith was so much stronger then I believed in fellow men And I was so much older then When I was young OK, I need a more cheerful earworm to deal with my hormone swings right now, and to put this thread somewhat back on topic: I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40356	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40357	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a refugium... sort of

There are lots of ways to do this. Were you going to have both tanks in the open or was one going to be hidden? One of the simplest would be to use a canister filter system with the intake line in one tank and the return line in the other tank and then use an overflow valve / Weir. If the tanks are kept in the open, then you would want the tank water-lines to be level and if right next to each other, you could have inverted-U tubes to connect the tanks so water flows from one tank to the next and then the canister would move the water back. You want the intake to be in the waste producing tank so that the filter catches the big stuff, then dumps the returning slightly cleaner water into the sump for further cleaning and then the water returns to the main tank from the sump. If the tanks are stacked, then you'll need the overflow Weir type inverted-U tube to keep the one tank from overflowing while allowing water to flow down into the other tank. Here's a few links that I have in my favorites when I was going to do this for my Goldfish tank prior to Katrina. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_overflow.php http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-overflow/114.asp http://www.aquariaforums.com/aquarium-diy-plans/Sumps-Wet-Dry-Filters/ http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~OE1318~tab~1.html http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem.aspx?idproduct=CR1511 - (This is the overflow box that I was planning on using. They have a video clip showing how it works.) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Snert Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:35 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about a refugium... sort of I'm thinking of setting up a small FW tank in my kitchen. It will be 15 gallons, but because I'm so much into FW inverts, I have my small 5 gal cube that I'd like to set up as a "freshwater refugium" in line with my 15 gal with a Mbuna cichlid and a yoyo loach (BTW, the yo yo loach actually "cleans" the cichlid like a cleaner wrasse and the cichlid lets him do it, posturing for a cleaning whenever the loach comes near him. I've never seen FW fish do anything like that before, but I digress). Anyway, does anyone have a link to a page on how to set up a refugium and incorporate it into your main tank? I'd like an easy way if possible. Remember, this is FW, but I would assume that it would be no different than setting up a SW tank w/refugium. Thanks! Snert ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40358	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Kids... please see my earlier concluding statement. Just say NO to drugs. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 9:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size My faith was so much stronger then I believed in fellow men And I was so much older then When I was young OK, I need a more cheerful earworm to deal with my hormone swings right now, and to put this thread somewhat back on topic: I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40359	From: harry perry	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size/Old age

One of the very few things you can count on. Like good whiskey some folks just get better with age. Harry --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:29 PM Kids... please see my earlier concluding statement. Just say NO to drugs. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 9:12 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size My faith was so much stronger then I believed in fellow men And I was so much older then When I was young OK, I need a more cheerful earworm to deal with my hormone swings right now, and to put this thread somewhat back on topic: I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade . . . DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@familyszabo. com> When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@familyszabo. com> To: <AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by ............ .??? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40360	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Yes, it's a Bill Cosby's Noah's Ark reference. When Noah gets to complaining about all the work and the elephant manure, God asks him how long he can tread water. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40361	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Lenny, Either you would like everyone on this list to believe that you are younger than you are, or your concluding statement comes from experience, realizing that you do not recognize musical references that you should. Now, this was probably one of your theme songs: Hot town, summer in the city Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty Been down, isn't it a pity Doesn't seem to be a shadow in the city All around, people looking half dead Walking on the sidewalk, hotter than a match head But at night it's a different world Go out and find a girl Come-on come-on and dance all night Despite the heat it'll be alright And babe, don't you know it's a pity That the days can't be like the nights In the summer, in the city In the summer, in the city Cool town, evening in the city Dressing so fine and looking so pretty Cool cat, looking for a kitty Gonna look in every corner of the city Till I'm wheezing like a bus stop Running up the stairs, gonna meet you on the rooftop \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40362	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Now that one I know! LOL Of course, I was a little kid and when we were all hanging around the pool, the older guys would put me up to pinching an older teenage girl, named Karen, who always look good in her bikini, so they re-wrote the words as... Hot town, summer in the city, Watching Lenny pinchin Karen's ________ (fill in the blank) LOL So, yes you are right... that was one of my theme songs "When I Was Young". LOL Back then as a little kid and probably still today, I rarely turn down a good dare. ;-) I guess I need to go Google y'alls original lyrical references so I can see if I recognize the rest of the song... since them lyrics were going right over my head. Maybe because I'm young... maybe because it's early-onset Alzheimers... I hope it's the former! :-D OK.. I'm back from Googling and I see that the lyrics about "When I Was Young" was covered by a couple of recognizable bands, including The Ramones and The Animals, and I also noticed here http://www.rhapsody.com/the-ramones/acid-eaters/when-i-was-young/lyrics.html that it was a song on The Ramone's album, "Acid Eaters" so I wasn't so wrong in my jesting of a closing comment. ;-) I couldn't find a YouTube of The Ramones version but found The Animals version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_1T0u98U and yes, I do remember that song, since even in the 80's and even today, I'm a big fan of 50's and 60's music, but it wasn't a big favorite of mine which is probably why I didn't recognize the lyrics... but I did recognize the lyrics to "Summer In The City", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXcjYNZais Now, I was actually and still am a BIG FAN of The Ramones and last saw them in concert back in the late 80's when they played on The Riverboat President, which was a great concert forum where I also saw concerts by The B-52's, Peter Frampton (trying to make a come back), Ziggy Marley and many, many others. The Riverboat President was later turned into the Riverboat President Casino and moved to the Mississippi Gulf Coast, only to be later wiped out by bigger semi-land based Casinos along the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I need to Google and find out what happened to The Riverboat President. I had many of fun times on that boat! I would sometimes even look at the fish in the Mississippi River. Had to mention "fish" to keep this on topic. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Lenny, Either you would like everyone on this list to believe that you are younger than you are, or your concluding statement comes from experience, realizing that you do not recognize musical references that you should. Now, this was probably one of your theme songs: Hot town, summer in the city Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty Been down, isn't it a pity Doesn't seem to be a shadow in the city All around, people looking half dead Walking on the sidewalk, hotter than a match head But at night it's a different world Go out and find a girl Come-on come-on and dance all night Despite the heat it'll be alright And babe, don't you know it's a pity That the days can't be like the nights In the summer, in the city In the summer, in the city Cool town, evening in the city Dressing so fine and looking so pretty Cool cat, looking for a kitty Gonna look in every corner of the city Till I'm wheezing like a bus stop Running up the stairs, gonna meet you on the rooftop \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40363	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

I don't remember that Cosby skit so I guess I'm gonna have to go look it up on YouTube or Hulu to get up to "speed" with you two... pardon the pun! ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Yes, it's a Bill Cosby's Noah's Ark reference. When Noah gets to complaining about all the work and the elephant manure, God asks him how long he can tread water. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40364	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

For any others in the group, still following this thread, here's the Bill Cosby's Noah's Ark skit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Yes, it's a Bill Cosby's Noah's Ark reference. When Noah gets to complaining about all the work and the elephant manure, God asks him how long he can tread water. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Szabo When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: Menagerie_Manager Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40365	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: how to calculate tank size

Lenny, "When I was Young" was not covered by the Animals. It was originally performed by The Animals, since, of course, they wrote it. I've always had a soft spot of John Sebastian. Still around, playing all kinds of music. Then, to try to get this back on a fish topic, I'm sure you know Jethro Tull, probably most famous for: Sitting on a park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent. Snot running down his nose greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes. Drying in the cold sun Watching as the frilly panties run. Feeling like a dead duck spitting out pieces of his broken luck. (A girl I went out with and I were famous for our rendition of this one.) Well, did you know that Ian Anderson (for those who came along considerably later than we did, there is no one named Jethro Tull in the group--look it up to find out who Jethro Tull was) owns a number of fish farms in, I believe, Scotland and England. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Now that one I know! LOL Of course, I was a little kid and when we were all hanging around the pool, the older guys would put me up to pinching an older teenage girl, named Karen, who always look good in her bikini, so they re-wrote the words as... Hot town, summer in the city, Watching Lenny pinchin Karen's ________ (fill in the blank) LOL So, yes you are right... that was one of my theme songs "When I Was Young". LOL Back then as a little kid and probably still today, I rarely turn down a good dare. ;-) I guess I need to go Google y'alls original lyrical references so I can see if I recognize the rest of the song... since them lyrics were going right over my head. Maybe because I'm young... maybe because it's early-onset Alzheimers... I hope it's the former! :-D OK.. I'm back from Googling and I see that the lyrics about "When I Was Young" was covered by a couple of recognizable bands, including The Ramones and The Animals, and I also noticed here http://www.rhapsody.com/the-ramones/acid-eaters/when-i-was-young/lyrics. html that it was a song on The Ramone's album, "Acid Eaters" so I wasn't so wrong in my jesting of a closing comment. ;-) I couldn't find a YouTube of The Ramones version but found The Animals version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_1T0u98U and yes, I do remember that song, since even in the 80's and even today, I'm a big fan of 50's and 60's music, but it wasn't a big favorite of mine which is probably why I didn't recognize the lyrics... but I did recognize the lyrics to "Summer In The City", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXcjYNZais Now, I was actually and still am a BIG FAN of The Ramones and last saw them in concert back in the late 80's when they played on The Riverboat President, which was a great concert forum where I also saw concerts by The B-52's, Peter Frampton (trying to make a come back), Ziggy Marley and many, many others. The Riverboat President was later turned into the Riverboat President Casino and moved to the Mississippi Gulf Coast, only to be later wiped out by bigger semi-land based Casinos along the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I need to Google and find out what happened to The Riverboat President. I had many of fun times on that boat! I would sometimes even look at the fish in the Mississippi River. Had to mention "fish" to keep this on topic. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:24 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Lenny, Either you would like everyone on this list to believe that you are younger than you are, or your concluding statement comes from experience, realizing that you do not recognize musical references that you should. Now, this was probably one of your theme songs: Hot town, summer in the city Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty Been down, isn't it a pity Doesn't seem to be a shadow in the city All around, people looking half dead Walking on the sidewalk, hotter than a match head But at night it's a different world Go out and find a girl Come-on come-on and dance all night Despite the heat it'll be alright And babe, don't you know it's a pity That the days can't be like the nights In the summer, in the city In the summer, in the city Cool town, evening in the city Dressing so fine and looking so pretty Cool cat, looking for a kitty Gonna look in every corner of the city Till I'm wheezing like a bus stop Running up the stairs, gonna meet you on the rooftop \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Uh Oh... \\Steve// is having acid flashbacks again. LOL Or maybe it was Deb's follow-up question about "treading water"... which still has me scratching my head... unless it was in reference to \\Steve's// reply about Noah's Ark. I was hoping \\Steve's// follow-up answer would shine some light on the question but now it has me scratching actual brain matter. LOL Remember, kids, just say NO to drugs. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size When I was young, IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT Pain more painful Laughter much louder Yeah, when I was young When I was young \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Steve, How long can you tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size Darlene, The method given is really an approximation. If you are measuring the outside of the tank, you are also including the volume of the glass in your calculations. Measuring the actual depth of the tank also adds to the volume, since, normally, the tank is not filled to the top. Also, your substrate, and any decoration added to the tank will reduce your volume. The formula given is fine for a tank based on rectilinear planes, as most tanks are, but should you have a hex, or a bow front, or a tank with a "l" shape, a corner tank, or other imaginative design (oh, I had a sphere tank once) you would need to determine the formula needed to find the volume of the tank. As long as the measurements are in inches (US measurements) the divider is 231. But say, you build a hose and decide you are going to have a built in tank of 20' x 8' x 8'. In this case you can use feet, and then multiply by 7.5. If the shape is other than cubic (not cubit, which is a measurement of length made famous by Noah and his Ark, which, BTW, is different from the Ark of the Covenant), there will be another multiplier to use. Just how long is a cubit, some inquiring minds may want to know. Well, from my readings of various sources, there seems to be no real agreement, and estimates run from about 4.7 cm to 0.5m. This may be why, in Bill Cosby's rendering of the story of Noah, God never answered Noah when he asked "What's a cubit?" Maybe I should have gone to bed already. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darlene Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] how to calculate tank size what is the formula used to measure how many gallons in a tank HxWxD divided by .............??? Darlene

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40366	From: Snert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Question about a refugium... sort of

Thanks Lenny! :) That's the way I envisioned it but I don't remember how I set my old reef refugium up in the 1990's, so I knew I could be wrong. But I'll check out those sites. I'm going to have both in the open because I love watching the inverts. I wish I could afford and was able to keep a reef tank here, but since I can't I'm going to try the FW with snails, shrimp, amphipods, and isopods in the refugium. I haven't had much luck with the amhipods and isopods in the past, but I didn't keep them in a refugium either. Snails and shrimp bred like rabbits, though. Thanks again! Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > There are lots of ways to do this. Were you going to have both tanks in the > open or was one going to be hidden? > > One of the simplest would be to use a canister filter system with the intake > line in one tank and the return line in the other tank and then use an > overflow valve / Weir. If the tanks are kept in the open, then you would > want the tank water-lines to be level and if right next to each other, you > could have inverted-U tubes to connect the tanks so water flows from one > tank to the next and then the canister would move the water back. You want > the intake to be in the waste producing tank so that the filter catches the > big stuff, then dumps the returning slightly cleaner water into the sump for > further cleaning and then the water returns to the main tank from the sump. > If the tanks are stacked, then you'll need the overflow Weir type inverted-U > tube to keep the one tank from overflowing while allowing water to flow down > into the other tank. > > Here's a few links that I have in my favorites when I was going to do this > for my Goldfish tank prior to Katrina. > > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_overflow.php > > http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-overflow/114.asp > > http://www.aquariaforums.com/aquarium-diy-plans/Sumps-Wet-Dry-Filters/ > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~OE1318~tab~1.html > > http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem.aspx?idproduct=CR1511 - (This is the > overflow box that I was planning on using. They have a video clip showing > how it works.) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40368	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: dwarf water lily

It basically has sun all day my pond is located in a spot where the sun never misses. I've talked with a friend today and he thinks that since it's in a pot, t may be root bound and this may be the problem since it's roots may be choking. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40369	From: harry perry	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: A new home page pic.

This is the Chinese Paradise fish. I just bought 4 of them. This is not spam and I don't get anything from this. You can get healthy rare fish at a reasonable price through Mark Denaro. He owns the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anubiasdesign/ Anubias Design. He is also president of the International Betta Conference. I have been buying from him for a while and I trust him completely as do the hundreds of his customers. I'm passing this along to our members because it is sometimes difficult to find a reliable source you can trust. You really should check this out. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40370	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: dwarf water lily

With my last pond, I was successful with plantings in those milk crate type containers sold in stores for storage. I'd line the crate with fiberglass screening, and use a good soil mix. It was topped by pea stone to prevent the fish from rooting about in the soil. When sinking it, you may notice a muddy cloud coming from it, but it dissipated very quickly for me. The size of the stone you use will depend on the size of the fish in your pond. You want it small enough to make a good covering without having to be a very deep layer, but large enough so your fish cannot get their mouths around the individual stones, or easily move them otherwise. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigues Gilbert Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] dwarf water lily It basically has sun all day my pond is located in a spot where the sun never misses. I've talked with a friend today and he thinks that since it's in a pot, t may be root bound and this may be the problem since it's roots may be choking.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40371	From: harry perry	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Cloudy Water Test

First off, the following was found in another group. A man named Giancarlo posted it. Like our own Lenny an encyclopedia of knowledge Harry Here's the coffee filter test for cloudy water: First thing I like to do when dealing with cloudy water is figure out what is making up the cloudiness, it's relatively easy to do. First off, try to determine the color of the haze by looking through the longest part of the tank, usually it is white, brown or green. The color is a givaway to the elements that make it up. Next, get a paper coffee filter or water resistant paper towel and make a sort of filter by placing it over a glass, then pour a cup of tank water on it letting it be filtered by the paper. You are looking for any residue or particulates that get filtered out, they will be green or brown usually or no particulates present at all... I usually guess the following depending on results: [color]+[particulat es]=[composition of haze] milky white + no particulates = ammonia brown tea + no particulates = tannins or dissolved organics brown + brown particulates = dirt, suspended mulm or bacterial bloom green + green particulates/ green tinted paper = unicellular algae The above is usually accurate, if we can narrow it down to one or two of the above we can already eliminate some possible causes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40372	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water Test

Harry, With regard to those filter tests, I would set forth that most green water would leave no residue in the filter because the unicellular algae causing it would pass right through the filter since the filter would not be fine enough to capture the algae. If this were so, one may need to wait much longer for that drip brewed cup of coffee in the morning, and may actually learn to wake up before it was ready <g>. A white or grey colored cloudiness does not necessarily mean ammonia or other compounds related to the nitrogen cycle, though this is often the case. It merely means that one has a bacterial bloom of some sort that will go away once the available food source has been depleted. A brown cloudiness is seldom observed in an aquarium. In fact, it is often referred to as turbidity (which is also used to refer to other forms of cloudiness as well). I would take issue that it could be caused by bacteria, though I would not completely throw that out of consideration, especially if filtering did not remove the particles causing the discoloration. One thing left out of Giancarlo's message, though it is not usually considered to be cloudy water is a yellow discoloration of the water, which may not be noticed until compared with clear water from the tap or a bottle. This discoloration is normally caused by tannins released from driftwood decorations, and may also be caused by a high concentration of DOC's in the water from biological activities in the tank. The only way to moderate this is through water changes, or, if severe, the removal of the driftwood for further treatment. This can be an important factor, though seldom commented on, when using test kits that depend upon a color determination for the level you are measuring. The vials that are supplied with the AquaTru test kits by Kordon help to overcome this by providing a method to view the color chart with untested tank water as well as tested tank water at the same time. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cloudy Water Test First off, the following was found in another group. A man named Giancarlo posted it. Like our own Lenny an encyclopedia of knowledge Harry Here's the coffee filter test for cloudy water: First thing I like to do when dealing with cloudy water is figure out what is making up the cloudiness, it's relatively easy to do. First off, try to determine the color of the haze by looking through the longest part of the tank, usually it is white, brown or green. The color is a givaway to the elements that make it up. Next, get a paper coffee filter or water resistant paper towel and make a sort of filter by placing it over a glass, then pour a cup of tank water on it letting it be filtered by the paper. You are looking for any residue or particulates that get filtered out, they will be green or brown usually or no particulates present at all... I usually guess the following depending on results: [color]+[particulat es]=[composition of haze] milky white + no particulates = ammonia brown tea + no particulates = tannins or dissolved organics brown + brown particulates = dirt, suspended mulm or bacterial bloom green + green particulates/ green tinted paper = unicellular algae The above is usually accurate, if we can narrow it down to one or two of the above we can already eliminate some possible causes.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40373	From: Snert	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: FW plants for high pH tank

Does anyone know of some smaller freshwater plants for high pH? Probably somewhere like 7.6 or near that. I have some now that look like swords but they're not - I got them off Aquabid years ago but can't remember the name. They have a reddish tinge to them. They grow really well in crushed coral/shell gravel. They've already taken over my small tank, but I'd like a variety of at least two or three more if I can find some small or dwarf types that will thrive in high pH. Thanks, Snert

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40374	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cloudy Water Test

Hey now... I've never claimed to be an "encyclopedia of knowledge"... more like one of them "How-To For Dummies" books. ;-) That is a pretty good idea but since I use the "natural" non-bleached coffee filters (they were on sale 2 for 1, not cuz I'm a tree hugger.. lol), they won't work since they are already a brownish color. I'm not 100% behind the white cloudy water being an ammonia spike either. We recently discussed the other bacteria that can also bloom causing the white cloudy water. The white cloud does indicate that a full array of water tests should be performed to make sure the tank is cycling first... then move on to other things as the possible cause. I do like it as a very low cost way of providing additional information though. Good find! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cloudy Water Test First off, the following was found in another group. A man named Giancarlo posted it. Like our own Lenny an encyclopedia of knowledge Harry Here's the coffee filter test for cloudy water: First thing I like to do when dealing with cloudy water is figure out what is making up the cloudiness, it's relatively easy to do. First off, try to determine the color of the haze by looking through the longest part of the tank, usually it is white, brown or green. The color is a givaway to the elements that make it up. Next, get a paper coffee filter or water resistant paper towel and make a sort of filter by placing it over a glass, then pour a cup of tank water on it letting it be filtered by the paper. You are looking for any residue or particulates that get filtered out, they will be green or brown usually or no particulates present at all... I usually guess the following depending on results: [color]+[particulat es]=[composition of haze] milky white + no particulates = ammonia brown tea + no particulates = tannins or dissolved organics brown + brown particulates = dirt, suspended mulm or bacterial bloom green + green particulates/ green tinted paper = unicellular algae The above is usually accurate, if we can narrow it down to one or two of the above we can already eliminate some possible causes.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40375	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank

I do not know them off the top of my head but one of the plant's sites I have does have a searchable database but it does not have pH as one of the search fields... but it does have Regions so if you had water similar to a particular Region (like VERY HARD water like the Rift Lakes of Africa)... BUT YOUR pH OF 7.6 IS NOT HIGH AND IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL pH AND NEARLY ALL PLANTS SHOULD DO WELL. SOME PLANTS MAY DO BETTER IN MORE ACIDIC WATER BUT THEY'LL STILL DO OK IN YOUR WATER. Also, test your water first thing in the morning, before turning on the lights and then at the end of the day after the lights have been on all day. You'll often see a much lower pH first thing in the morning due to the increased amount of CO2 in the water. For practical purposes, one should probably average out them two test results for their "average pH" instead of just the pH they might find when testing the water after the lights have been on for a while. Here is the Database page if you want to look around more: http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/ And here is PlantGeek's Advanced Searchable Database: http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_asearch.php As you will see, neither have anything about pH as a search field as it simply isn't "that" important. What you should be testing, for your general information, instead of just your pH is your water's hardness, both GH and KH. I would suspect that those are higher than average, because of your substrate, but your pH is NOT an unusual level. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Snert Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:04 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] FW plants for high pH tank Does anyone know of some smaller freshwater plants for high pH? Probably somewhere like 7.6 or near that. I have some now that look like swords but they're not - I got them off Aquabid years ago but can't remember the name. They have a reddish tinge to them. They grow really well in crushed coral/shell gravel. They've already taken over my small tank, but I'd like a variety of at least two or three more if I can find some small or dwarf types that will thrive in high pH. Thanks, Snert

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40376	From: red-eye	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care

If the tank has lots of plants you should be ok Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yofiguy Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] job and care I am starting a over the road trucking job that might keep me out for times longer than four days in one shot. what should I do with my tank mollies etc.? I am using them to "mature" the tank, it is a full salt setup. should I sell them or keep them and get an auto feeder? thanks in advance Yossi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40377	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care

It's a Salt Water tank so it's less likely to have lots of plants. ;-) I didn't answer the original post since I'm not very well versed in Salt Water tanks but I know that cycling one of them is a lot harder than cycling a freshwater tank so I really do not know how the OP would be able to do it with being out of town for many days at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] job and care If the tank has lots of plants you should be ok Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yofiguy Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] job and care I am starting a over the road trucking job that might keep me out for times longer than four days in one shot. what should I do with my tank mollies etc.? I am using them to "mature" the tank, it is a full salt setup. should I sell them or keep them and get an auto feeder? thanks in advance Yossi

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40378	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: A Reminder

This is just a reminder that you cannot believe everything you find on the web. The link listed below shows how wrong the web can be when it comes to news. This also applies to other subjects as well. Heck, before you get to know us and the advice we give, look upon us with suspicion as well. Especially when you find us going against well known "information" found in this hobby of ours, even though this "information" is wrong. What? You mean that the Web is not always right? That maybe I can't trust the information I find on the Web? Get out of here! 10 Spectacular Web News Snafus are presented here under the title When the Web Got It Wrong. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic& articleId=9131965&source=NLT_NET TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/perucs \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40379	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: A Reminder

In defense of THE MANY GOOD websites out there, it should be noted that there is just as high of a percentage of books, videos, etc., that have horrible information in them too... especially when it comes to fish keeping. 90% of the books I've seen at pet stores should not be for sale, IMO. So, the moral to this story is to check and double-check your reference sources... regardless of where they come from.... especially when your source is the mainstream news media... unless the report is about a "tingly feeling running up and down your leg (when a certain individual speaks)" since that report is actually correct. ;-) It's also why I have comments enabled on my site so that folks can post any disagreements with me and I can update things when a link no longer works or when I make a rare mistake. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:47 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] A Reminder This is just a reminder that you cannot believe everything you find on the web. The link listed below shows how wrong the web can be when it comes to news. This also applies to other subjects as well. Heck, before you get to know us and the advice we give, look upon us with suspicion as well. Especially when you find us going against well known "information" found in this hobby of ours, even though this "information" is wrong. What? You mean that the Web is not always right? That maybe I can't trust the information I find on the Web? Get out of here! 10 Spectacular Web News Snafus are presented here under the title When the Web Got It Wrong. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic& articleId=9131965&source=NLT_NET TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/perucs \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40380	From: red-eye	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: job and care

Sorry I only think freshwater :-> Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:55 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] job and care It's a Salt Water tank so it's less likely to have lots of plants. ;-) I didn't answer the original post since I'm not very well versed in Salt Water tanks but I know that cycling one of them is a lot harder than cycling a freshwater tank so I really do not know how the OP would be able to do it with being out of town for many days at a time. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of red-eye Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:23 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] job and care If the tank has lots of plants you should be ok Regards, red-eye _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yofiguy Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:23 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] job and care I am starting a over the road trucking job that might keep me out for times longer than four days in one shot. what should I do with my tank mollies etc.? I am using them to "mature" the tank, it is a full salt setup. should I sell them or keep them and get an auto feeder? thanks in advance Yossi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40381	From: Snert	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank

Thanks again Lenny, you've been a big help. I really haven't taken the pH in about a year because the tank up til now has been fishless. However, the only substrate is crushed coral, so I'm guessing it's probably nearer to 8.0 but I can't be too sure. In order to combat the high pH years ago I used a CO2 infuser and it did bring the pH down a bit. Maybe that's why I remember 7.6, because the CO2 brought it down to that. Perhaps it's more like seawater. It's a good thing I have a Giraffe Cichlid (was sold to me as a Bumblebee Cichlid but has spots instead of stripes. I just looked and saw that it was a Malawi fish, not Mbuna as I thought.) They like that pH, and the old yo yo loach I had for years I just gave away last summer did very well in it to my surprise too - as well as a clown pleco. Anyway, I'm sure the pH is quite high because of the calcium in there. But I'll take it first thing in the AM and then again later to be sure. I just don't want to buy a plant that thrives in soft water and then have it die in my tank. I used to have Java fern and Java moss in there. They both did okay, but I'm sure the pH was a bit too high as they grew very slowly and sometimes not at all. These plants I have now are like weeds - I can barely see the fish. Thanks again. I've also looked up some plants on Aquabid and may buy some after the tank is set up and running. Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> , "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > I do not know them off the top of my head but one of the plant's sites I > have does have a searchable database but it does not have pH as one of the > search fields... but it does have Regions so if you had water similar to a > particular Region (like VERY HARD water like the Rift Lakes of Africa)... > BUT YOUR pH OF 7.6 IS NOT HIGH AND IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL pH AND NEARLY ALL > PLANTS SHOULD DO WELL. SOME PLANTS MAY DO BETTER IN MORE ACIDIC WATER BUT > THEY'LL STILL DO OK IN YOUR WATER. > > Also, test your water first thing in the morning, before turning on the > lights and then at the end of the day after the lights have been on all day. > You'll often see a much lower pH first thing in the morning due to the > increased amount of CO2 in the water. For practical purposes, one should > probably average out them two test results for their "average pH" instead of > just the pH they might find when testing the water after the lights have [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40382	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Check out YouTube - ABC News Atlanta Exposé on HSUS Donations

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40383	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: In July's issue of Aquarium Fish.

On page 12, at the bottom of the page is a game called cross-out game. It is really cool and it gave me information that I never knew. To discover the hidden fish fact in the group of words below, cross out all of the following words: All types of fins. All colors. All words that start with G. All types of aquarium fish foods. The word "eggs." Discus dorsal guppy parents graze feed pellets their purple babies group with their pectoral own blue body flakes mucus great eggs. I'll give the answer to it on Tuesday. Enjoy, Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40384	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank

Sorry for not replying earlier.... crazy stuff going on over here, lol. Yes they are mystery snails. She must be immature, then. The eggs are off-white in color and do not look fertilized. Thanks! Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, pam andress <pamandress23@...> wrote: > > > As for your snails, if they are mystery snails, then it may be a imature snail or the eggs are just not fertile. Do they look pinkish or off white in color? I have found that young snails will lay off white eggs and they are not fertile. I have had pinkish eggs not hatch too, so this is not always a sign. Just give her some time and see what happens. > > > > Pam >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40385	From: dbrown1973@ymail.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Silly Things going on in my tank

I see the snails "on each other" A LOT lol - can't really tell if they are mating or not. Then after that is when I see her laying the clutch above the water line. After reading the care sheet it may be that the clutches aren't getting enough humidity. Thanks again Lenny! Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: I think Pam knows this but maybe just failed to mention it. Mystery snails are sexed as male or female, they are not asexual or hermaphrodites like many other snail species. So you need a male and a female in order to fertilize any eggs. I imagine that the females could still lay eggs but if they haven't been fertilized by a male snail, then they will not hatch. There are instances where a female could have been impregnated prior to someone getting it and then it lays the fertilized eggs and there are instances where the female could lay multiple clutches of fertilized eggs with having only mated with a male snail on one occasion but there will not usually be more than 2 or 3 of these recurring fertilized egg clutches. Since your snail has laid the egg clutches a few times and none have hatched and if you do not have a male snail to impregnate the female, then you can discard the clutches in the future since they will be infertile. Here's more info about Apple Snails and their smaller cousins, Mystery Snails and their reproductive systems, which is included in this Care Sheet. Care - http://applesnail.net/content/care.php Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40386	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank

Hi Snert, Haven't seen you in a while, good to see you here. How's everything in Phoenix? Not really sure of the plant you have in mind, you may want to post a pic of what you have now. A few plants that will do well in hard alkaline water are most any Vallisneria and various Anubias species (a. nana, barteri or coffefolia). The latter species of Anubias has red/brown leaves when they're new. Maybe this is what you're thinking of. What names will these dealers come up with next < g >. With names like Giraffe Cichlid, I'm picturing a fish with its head on the end of a long neck -- similar to a "Elephant Nose" fish having a long snout, or a "Whale" (fish) shaped like a whale. If it has spots, it just as well might be named "ocelot fish" but identifying a fish in comparison just to another more familiar animal is really useless --their are numerous spotted Cichlids found in the aquarium hobby. Anyway, your Giraffe Cichlid -- Nimbochromis venutus -- is of course a Malawi fish, more particularly a Utaka. The Bumblebee Cichlid -- Maylandia crabro -- is ALSO a Malawi fish, more particularly, an Mbuna. Either one requires the same high pH as they come from the same African Rift Lake (Lake Malawi). Be advised though, that your Giraffe Cichlid will get to 12" and will get increasingly aggressive as it grows. Valisneria (of a different species found in aquaria) grow naturally in Lake Malwai, and other species of this same Family will do nicely in hard alkaline water as well. As it is a more tenderer leaved plant though, some fish may nibble on it, whereas Anubias are tough-leaved plants. Your Giraffe Cichlid will not bother with Vallisneria as its an ambush predator of smaller fish. Lots of luck with your tank (and your new fish) and keep us posted. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Snert" <Snerticus@...> wrote: > > > Thanks again Lenny, you've been a big help. I really haven't taken the > pH in about a year because the tank up til now has been fishless. > However, the only substrate is crushed coral, so I'm guessing it's > probably nearer to 8.0 but I can't be too sure. In order to combat the > high pH years ago I used a CO2 infuser and it did bring the pH down a > bit. Maybe that's why I remember 7.6, because the CO2 brought it down > to that. Perhaps it's more like seawater. It's a good thing I have a > Giraffe Cichlid (was sold to me as a Bumblebee Cichlid but has spots > instead of stripes. I just looked and saw that it was a Malawi fish, > not Mbuna as I thought.) They like that pH, and the old yo yo loach I > had for years I just gave away last summer did very well in it to my > surprise too - as well as a clown pleco. > > Anyway, I'm sure the pH is quite high because of the calcium in there. > But I'll take it first thing in the AM and then again later to be sure. > I just don't want to buy a plant that thrives in soft water and then > have it die in my tank. I used to have Java fern and Java moss in > there. They both did okay, but I'm sure the pH was a bit too high as > they grew very slowly and sometimes not at all. These plants I have now > are like weeds - I can barely see the fish. > > Thanks again. I've also looked up some plants on Aquabid and may buy > some after the tank is set up and running. > > Snert > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > , "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@> wrote: > > > > I do not know them off the top of my head but one of the plant's sites > I > > have does have a searchable database but it does not have pH as one of > the > > search fields... but it does have Regions so if you had water similar > to a > > particular Region (like VERY HARD water like the Rift Lakes of > Africa)... > > BUT YOUR pH OF 7.6 IS NOT HIGH AND IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL pH AND NEARLY > ALL > > PLANTS SHOULD DO WELL. SOME PLANTS MAY DO BETTER IN MORE ACIDIC WATER > BUT > > THEY'LL STILL DO OK IN YOUR WATER. > > > > Also, test your water first thing in the morning, before turning on > the > > lights and then at the end of the day after the lights have been on > all day. > > You'll often see a much lower pH first thing in the morning due to the > > increased amount of CO2 in the water. For practical purposes, one > should > > probably average out them two test results for their "average pH" > instead of > > just the pH they might find when testing the water after the lights > have > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40387	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

> Lenny wrote: > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely overstocked > Yes, it is. I admit it. But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the ammonia and nitrites always test low. This is the first plague I've had. And I blame it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance", which > goes into more details and also shows you how to modify your filter > cartridges so you do not have to change them out. They are designed to last > for many, many years so you are just throwing money away by changing them > and WORSE, you are likely putting your tank into a mini-cycle each time and > that added stressor could be a cause of your health issues... that and the > likely fact that your tank is overstocked. > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the Penguin-330. That's the one *without* the bio-wheel. But it does have a couple of hard coarse loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc. I occasionally give them a swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever solids might have collected in them. As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric disintegrates. I have been rinsing them under running water (well water so no chlorine) on the first of the month and replacing them on the 15th. I used to rinse them twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons but more often than not, they would have been slimy, soft and disintegrating by then. GROSS! That's what I suspect began this plague... season after season of GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change was particularly disgusting. (That was the end of that!) So what you're suggesting is an interval in between? Monthly is too often? But seasonally is too seldom. So every other month? The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a positive effect despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that coincided with the first dose. The tin foils are no longer hovering near the waterfall and their red red blotches are much smaller and fading. The cloudy scales that give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but I think they might remain that way. Fish don't shed, do they? I don't think so. Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I need to leave the fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed them, especially the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a while. Let's see how things continue and whether or not they'll need a second dose after I come back. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40388	From: Snert	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: FW plants for high pH tank

Thanks Ray. Nice to be back! It's really hot here in Phoenix, already in the low 100's. I just looked and perhaps I do have some sort of sword. I should probably take a pic, eh? The pics of Anubias don't look familiar, although when you first mentioned it, the name did sound familiar. It may have been sold to me as Anubias, but the leaves are very elongated and tend to curl at the edges sometimes. The leaves themselves are burgundy underneath and more green on top. It spreads by rhizomes. My loach fits perfectly in these "rolled up leaves" and hides in there sometimes. I freaked out after the first three days thinking it jumped out of the tank, when I eventually found it hiding underside of one of the leaves. Whatever it is, it likes the hard water. Yeah, I found out my cichlid gets to be 10 - 12 inches AFTER I bought it. PetsMart had it as a Bumblebee and said it only grew 4 inches. (It figures I should never trust PetsMart with fish descriptions. I obviously know nothing about African cichlids other than what I learned a long time ago - they need high pH and they are agressive.) Actually, my yoyo loach was in a tank that was marked "angelicus loach". There were angelicus in the tank next to the yoyo's but I did mention to the girl there that the loaches in the marked tank were not angelicus. She probably thought I was a know it all or something... :( Thanks for the info on the Giraffe Cichlid. It took me a while to even find out what it was. Maybe by sheer luck it will be a female and not quite so large or agressive. Either way, I'll probably have to rehome it once it gets too big for the 15 gal. And from what I've read, that shouldn't take too long. :( If I had been given the correct info to begin with, I would have passed on it. I was actually looking for a Ram or two. But this one caught my eye and looked very bass-like. Brought back memories of when my dad took me fishing when I was a wee-one. :) Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> , "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Hi Snert, Haven't seen you in a while, good to see you here. How's everything in Phoenix? Not really sure of the plant you have in mind, you may want to post a pic of what you have now. A few plants that will do well in hard alkaline water are most any Vallisneria and various Anubias species (a. nana, barteri or coffefolia). The latter species of Anubias has red/brown leaves when they're new. Maybe this is what you're thinking of. > > What names will these dealers come up with next < g >. With names like Giraffe Cichlid, I'm picturing a fish with its head on the end of a long neck -- similar to a "Elephant Nose" fish having a long snout, or a "Whale" (fish) shaped like a whale. If it has spots, it just as well might be named "ocelot fish" but identifying a fish in comparison just to another more familiar animal is really useless --their are numerous spotted Cichlids found in the aquarium hobby. > > Anyway, your Giraffe Cichlid -- Nimbochromis venutus -- is of course a Malawi fish, more particularly a Utaka. The Bumblebee Cichlid -- Maylandia crabro -- is ALSO a Malawi fish, more particularly, an Mbuna. Either one requires the same high pH as they come from the same African Rift Lake (Lake Malawi). Be advised though, that your Giraffe Cichlid will get to 12" and will get increasingly aggressive as it grows. > > Valisneria (of a different species found in aquaria) grow naturally in Lake Malwai, and other species of this same Family will do nicely in hard alkaline water as well. As it is a more tenderer leaved plant though, some fish may nibble on it, whereas Anubias are tough-leaved plants. Your Giraffe Cichlid will not bother with Vallisneria as its an ambush predator of smaller fish. Lots of luck with your tank (and your new fish) and keep us posted. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40389	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Baby Angels again

So I have baby Angelfish again... for perhaps the next 10 minutes, at the rate the parents are going. It's so neat to watch the tiny little babies swim around the tank near the parents, and if they were better parents they wouldn't eat them ;) LOL Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40390	From: cody adams	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi

i am looking for these west africans cichlid if anybody has some or can help me out email me at cornbread_05@ yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40391	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi

Have you checked all the usual places... http://www.Aquabid.com? Never mind. I did a search and saw a couple of Hemichromis sp. auctions but not for your species. Check here... http://www.davesfish.com/ which specializes in African cichlids. And here... http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/ which also has lots of African cichlids. I did a search here... http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search but they did not have your fishes. If they had, the next step would be to locate a Pet Shop on their list since they are only a wholesaler. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi i am looking for these west africans cichlid if anybody has some or can help me out email me at cornbread_05@ yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40392	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi

Also try www.MainlyCichlids.com -Mike They carry oddball species and hard to find stuff/.-----Original Message----- From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 5:36 pm Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi Have you checked all the usual places... http://www.Aquabid.com? Never mind. I did a search and saw a couple of Hemichromis sp. auctions but not for your species. Check here... http://www.davesfish.com/ which specializes in African cichlids. And here... http://unclenedsfishfactory.com/ which also has lots of African cichlids. I did a search here... http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search but they did not have your fishes. If they had, the next step would be to locate a Pet Shop on their list since they are only a wholesaler. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hemichromis facsiatus or frempongi i am looking for these west africans cichlid20if anybody has some or can help me out email me at cornbread_05@ yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40393	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

While I do NOT condone overstocking a tank, I understand it does happen. What the fish keeper needs to do, when their tank is overstocked, is do more frequent PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter cleaning to remove the fish waste and dilute the pollution in the water. This "pollution" includes DOC's (dissolved organic compounds = dissolved fish poop, detritus, etc.) but also includes the various hormones emitted by fish. Quite often, it is these hormones, that when allowed to reach a certain level, results in fish being stunted, anxious, stressed, etc... all things that then cause immune system issues which then lead to fish health issues. Until you are able to solve the overstocking issues, or if you plan to live with them, then your only solution is the more frequent tank maintenance schedule to keep water conditions in much better shape. The more frequent PWC's and gravel vacuuming (some folks have to do them daily) will remove the majority of the detritus before it can break down and the PWC's will dilute the hormone levels so the fish do not realize they are as overstocked as they are. Doing more frequent PWC's kind of simulates a flowing stream where the fish are getting a constant supply of cleaner water while their dirty water is washed away downstream. If your filter cartridges are not able to be cleaned, then it is important to have other biological filtration going in each filter system and to clean it properly so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria when cleaning it. Then you can trash your filter cartridges more often when they get dirty. If you do have sufficient biological filtration, you could even go as far as rinsing your filter cartridges under a running faucet to flush away the fish waste to make the cartridge nearly new after each cleaning. It would be better to clean the waste like this than to allow it to build up until the filter is "gross" (which I presume to mean having a heavy buildup of fish waste). Cleaning a fish's filter system would be comparable to changing a diaper on a baby. It's a messy job but you can't just leave the dirty diaper (filter) on the baby. It has to be either cleaned or trashed. I'm glad to hear the fish seem to be recovering but you will need to change the way you have been doing things if you want them to continue being healthy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely overstocked > Yes, it is. I admit it. But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the ammonia and nitrites always test low. This is the first plague I've had. And I blame it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance", > which goes into more details and also shows you how to modify your > filter cartridges so you do not have to change them out. They are > designed to last for many, many years so you are just throwing money > away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely putting your tank into > a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could be a cause of > your health issues... that and the likely fact that your tank is overstocked. > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the Penguin-330. That's the one *without* the bio-wheel. But it does have a couple of hard coarse loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc. I occasionally give them a swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever solids might have collected in them. As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric disintegrates. I have been rinsing them under running water (well water so no chlorine) on the first of the month and replacing them on the 15th. I used to rinse them twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons but more often than not, they would have been slimy, soft and disintegrating by then. GROSS! That's what I suspect began this plague... season after season of GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change was particularly disgusting. (That was the end of that!) So what you're suggesting is an interval in between? Monthly is too often? But seasonally is too seldom. So every other month? The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a positive effect despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that coincided with the first dose. The tin foils are no longer hovering near the waterfall and their red red blotches are much smaller and fading. The cloudy scales that give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but I think they might remain that way. Fish don't shed, do they? I don't think so. Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I need to leave the fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed them, especially the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a while. Let's see how things continue and whether or not they'll need a second dose after I come back. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40394	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Also, if this is a long term case, you might want to consider stripping the tank of gravel.  This makes for very fast clean up BUT, as Lenny suggests, you must do PWC's and keep a special eye on water parameters to keep the fish safe.   Bill --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:56 PM While I do NOT condone overstocking a tank, I understand it does happen. What the fish keeper needs to do, when their tank is overstocked, is do more frequent PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter cleaning to remove the fish waste and dilute the pollution in the water.  This "pollution" includes DOC's (dissolved organic compounds = dissolved fish poop, detritus, etc.) but also includes the various hormones emitted by fish.  Quite often, it is these hormones, that when allowed to reach a certain level, results in fish being stunted, anxious, stressed, etc... all things that then cause immune system issues which then lead to fish health issues. Until you are able to solve the overstocking issues, or if you plan to live with them, then your only solution is the more frequent tank maintenance schedule to keep water conditions in much better shape.  The more frequent PWC's and gravel vacuuming (some folks have to do them daily) will remove the majority of the detritus before it can break down and the PWC's will dilute the hormone levels so the fish do not realize they are as overstocked as they are.  Doing more frequent PWC's kind of simulates a flowing stream where the fish are getting a constant supply of cleaner water while their dirty water is washed away downstream. If your filter cartridges are not able to be cleaned, then it is important to have other biological filtration going in each filter system and to clean it properly so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria when cleaning it. Then you can trash your filter cartridges more often when they get dirty. If you do have sufficient biological filtration, you could even go as far as rinsing your filter cartridges under a running faucet to flush away the fish waste to make the cartridge nearly new after each cleaning.  It would be better to clean the waste like this than to allow it to build up until the filter is "gross" (which I presume to mean having a heavy buildup of fish waste).  Cleaning a fish's filter system would be comparable to changing a diaper on a baby.  It's a messy job but you can't just leave the dirty diaper (filter) on the baby.  It has to be either cleaned or trashed. I'm glad to hear the fish seem to be recovering but you will need to change the way you have been doing things if you want them to continue being healthy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely overstocked > Yes, it is.  I admit it. But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the ammonia and nitrites always test low.  This is the first plague I've had.  And I blame it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance", > which goes into more details and also shows you how to modify your > filter cartridges so you do not have to change them out.  They are > designed to last for many, many years so you are just throwing money > away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely putting your tank into > a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could be a cause of > your health issues... that and the likely fact that your tank is overstocked. > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the Penguin-330.  That's the one *without* the bio-wheel.  But it does have a couple of hard coarse loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc.  I occasionally give them a swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever solids might have collected in them. As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric disintegrates.  I have been rinsing them under running water (well water so no chlorine) on the first of the month and replacing them on the 15th.  I used to rinse them twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons but more often than not, they would have been slimy, soft and disintegrating by then. GROSS!  That's what I suspect began this plague... season after season of GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change was particularly disgusting.  (That was the end of that!) So what you're suggesting is an interval in between?  Monthly is too often? But seasonally is too seldom.  So every other month? The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a positive effect despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that coincided with the first dose.  The tin foils are no longer hovering near the waterfall and their red red blotches are much smaller and fading.  The cloudy scales that give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but I think they might remain that way.  Fish don't shed, do they?  I don't think so. Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I need to leave the fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed them, especially the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a while.  Let's see how things continue and whether or not they'll need a second dose after I come back. ~Kai ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40395	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again

A couple of the babies ended up in my aquaclear filter (which is where I find all the guppy fry), I was considering waiting to see if they get a little bigger inside the filter and then transferring them to the fry tank after removing the bigger fry again (guppy's grow fairly fast I'm learning, heh). I don't have anywhere else to put the babies, actually that's not true I have a spare 10 gallon for a Q tank, but I was going to put the 2 female guppy's in it instead... Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > So I have baby Angelfish again... for perhaps the next 10 minutes, at > the rate the parents are going. It's so neat to watch the tiny little > babies swim around the tank near the parents, and if they were better > parents they wouldn't eat them ;) LOL > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40396	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again

Yo Amber!   Put a foam pre-filter on that Aqua-Clear!  Had the same problem with small Neon's getting caught in there and up the pipe.  A bonus?  the pre-filter makes the filters inners a bit easier to keep clean.   Bill --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Baby Angels again To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:16 AM A couple of the babies ended up in my aquaclear filter (which is where I find all the guppy fry), I was considering waiting to see if they get a little bigger inside the filter and then transferring them to the fry tank after removing the bigger fry again (guppy's grow fairly fast I'm learning, heh). I don't have anywhere else to put the babies, actually that's not true I have a spare 10 gallon for a Q tank, but I was going to put the 2 female guppy's in it instead... Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > So I have baby Angelfish again... for perhaps the next 10 minutes, at > the rate the parents are going. It's so neat to watch the tiny little > babies swim around the tank near the parents, and if they were better > parents they wouldn't eat them ;) LOL > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40397	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Bill, You are right that stripping a tank of gravel makes it easier to clean but it also shows up the dirt a lot easier. What I do is just leave a very thin layer of gravel, maybe 1/2" to 1" deep. This hides the "dirt" but still makes vacuuming the gravel a breeze. Bare bottomed tanks look so messy so quick that I only use them for specialized reasons like a Hospital tank or raising fry, etc. If I ever break down my Cherry Shrimp tank, I'll probably go with a mostly bare bottomed tank for it, except for maybe a corner of the tank with gravel in it in case the shrimp like the gravel and then have my plants in pots. This would make it much easier to clean and to see the baby shrimp when trying to do a gravel vacuum. At least they'll show up on the glass bottom a little easier. Also, I don't think fish like a bare glass bottomed tank so that could actually be an additional stressor. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:11 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment Also, if this is a long term case, you might want to consider stripping the tank of gravel.  This makes for very fast clean up BUT, as Lenny suggests, you must do PWC's and keep a special eye on water parameters to keep the fish safe.   Bill --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:56 PM While I do NOT condone overstocking a tank, I understand it does happen. What the fish keeper needs to do, when their tank is overstocked, is do more frequent PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter cleaning to remove the fish waste and dilute the pollution in the water.  This "pollution" includes DOC's (dissolved organic compounds = dissolved fish poop, detritus, etc.) but also includes the various hormones emitted by fish.  Quite often, it is these hormones, that when allowed to reach a certain level, results in fish being stunted, anxious, stressed, etc... all things that then cause immune system issues which then lead to fish health issues. Until you are able to solve the overstocking issues, or if you plan to live with them, then your only solution is the more frequent tank maintenance schedule to keep water conditions in much better shape.  The more frequent PWC's and gravel vacuuming (some folks have to do them daily) will remove the majority of the detritus before it can break down and the PWC's will dilute the hormone levels so the fish do not realize they are as overstocked as they are.  Doing more frequent PWC's kind of simulates a flowing stream where the fish are getting a constant supply of cleaner water while their dirty water is washed away downstream. If your filter cartridges are not able to be cleaned, then it is important to have other biological filtration going in each filter system and to clean it properly so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria when cleaning it. Then you can trash your filter cartridges more often when they get dirty. If you do have sufficient biological filtration, you could even go as far as rinsing your filter cartridges under a running faucet to flush away the fish waste to make the cartridge nearly new after each cleaning.  It would be better to clean the waste like this than to allow it to build up until the filter is "gross" (which I presume to mean having a heavy buildup of fish waste).  Cleaning a fish's filter system would be comparable to changing a diaper on a baby.  It's a messy job but you can't just leave the dirty diaper (filter) on the baby.  It has to be either cleaned or trashed. I'm glad to hear the fish seem to be recovering but you will need to change the way you have been doing things if you want them to continue being healthy. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > Lenny wrote: > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely overstocked > Yes, it is.  I admit it. But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the ammonia and nitrites always test low.  This is the first plague I've had.  And I blame it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning And Maintenance", > which goes into more details and also shows you how to modify your > filter cartridges so you do not have to change them out.  They are > designed to last for many, many years so you are just throwing money > away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely putting your tank into > a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could be a cause of > your health issues... that and the likely fact that your tank is overstocked. > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the Penguin-330.  That's the one *without* the bio-wheel.  But it does have a couple of hard coarse loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc.  I occasionally give them a swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever solids might have collected in them. As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric disintegrates.  I have been rinsing them under running water (well water so no chlorine) on the first of the month and replacing them on the 15th.  I used to rinse them twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons but more often than not, they would have been slimy, soft and disintegrating by then. GROSS!  That's what I suspect began this plague... season after season of GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change was particularly disgusting.  (That was the end of that!) So what you're suggesting is an interval in between?  Monthly is too often? But seasonally is too seldom.  So every other month? The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a positive effect despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that coincided with the first dose.  The tin foils are no longer hovering near the waterfall and their red red blotches are much smaller and fading.  The cloudy scales that give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but I think they might remain that way.  Fish don't shed, do they?  I don't think so. Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I need to leave the fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed them, especially the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a while.  Let's see how things continue and whether or not they'll need a second dose after I come back. ~Kai

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40398	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again

You need to put a sponge block (or some other protective measure) over your filter intake in tanks where you have frequent breeding. This will keep the fry out of the filter. For every live fry you find in your filter reservoir, many others didn't make it. The impeller is spinning around at several hundred RPM's so I'm sure it much kill or seriously injure many of the fry going through the impeller. I'm surprised any of them actually make it. I actually use a fine mesh filter media bag over the intake of my Cherry Shrimp tank to keep the Shrimp fry out of the filter... and yes, I have to clean that mesh bag each time I do tank maintenance or it will impede flow of water. A sponge block, using Open Cell sponge, could still technically allow fry to get into the filter but they would have to navigate a serious maze inside the sponge block to get to the intake. The sponge block would also diffuse the suction so there's no rapid suction through a single slot like on the intake but rather a very mild and gentle suction through 1,000's of tunnels through the sponge block... still the same amount of water, just not the heavier suction in any given spot. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Baby Angels again A couple of the babies ended up in my aquaclear filter (which is where I find all the guppy fry), I was considering waiting to see if they get a little bigger inside the filter and then transferring them to the fry tank after removing the bigger fry again (guppy's grow fairly fast I'm learning, heh). I don't have anywhere else to put the babies, actually that's not true I have a spare 10 gallon for a Q tank, but I was going to put the 2 female guppy's in it instead... Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > So I have baby Angelfish again... for perhaps the next 10 minutes, at > the rate the parents are going. It's so neat to watch the tiny little > babies swim around the tank near the parents, and if they were better > parents they wouldn't eat them ;) LOL > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40399	From: bill1433	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

I should haave said IF the tanks bottom is painted. Mine are and the fish do not mind a bit. Some trouble with even the plastic plants though, they do not stand still! We are working on that one! Bill --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:50 PM > Bill, > > You are right that stripping a tank of gravel makes it > easier to clean but > it also shows up the dirt a lot easier.  > > What I do is just leave a very thin layer of gravel, maybe > 1/2" to 1" deep. > This hides the "dirt" but still makes vacuuming the gravel > a breeze.  Bare > bottomed tanks look so messy so quick that I only use them > for specialized > reasons like a Hospital tank or raising fry, etc.  If > I ever break down my > Cherry Shrimp tank, I'll probably go with a mostly bare > bottomed tank for > it, except for maybe a corner of the tank with gravel in it > in case the > shrimp like the gravel and then have my plants in > pots.  This would make it > much easier to clean and to see the baby shrimp when trying > to do a gravel > vacuum.  At least they'll show up on the glass bottom > a little easier. > > Also, I don't think fish like a bare glass bottomed tank so > that could > actually be an additional stressor. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:11 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > Also, if this is a long term case, you might want to > consider stripping the > tank of gravel.  This makes for very fast clean up BUT, as > Lenny suggests, > you must do PWC's and keep a special eye on water > parameters to keep the > fish safe. >   > Bill > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:56 PM > > > While I do NOT condone overstocking a tank, I understand it > does happen. > What the fish keeper needs to do, when their tank is > overstocked, is do more > frequent PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter cleaning to > remove the fish > waste and dilute the pollution in the water.  This > "pollution" includes > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds = dissolved fish poop, > detritus, etc.) > but also includes the various hormones emitted by fish.  > Quite often, it is > these hormones, that when allowed to reach a certain level, > results in fish > being stunted, anxious, stressed, etc... all things that > then cause immune > system issues which then lead to fish health issues. > > Until you are able to solve the overstocking issues, or if > you plan to live > with them, then your only solution is the more frequent > tank maintenance > schedule to keep water conditions in much better shape.  > The more frequent > PWC's and gravel vacuuming (some folks have to do them > daily) will remove > the majority of the detritus before it can break down and > the PWC's will > dilute the hormone levels so the fish do not realize they > are as overstocked > as they are.  Doing more frequent PWC's kind of simulates > a flowing stream > where the fish are getting a constant supply of cleaner > water while their > dirty water is washed away downstream. > > If your filter cartridges are not able to be cleaned, then > it is important > to have other biological filtration going in each filter > system and to clean > it properly so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria > when cleaning it. > Then you can trash your filter cartridges more often when > they get dirty. > If you do have sufficient biological filtration, you could > even go as far as > rinsing your filter cartridges under a running faucet to > flush away the fish > waste to make the cartridge nearly new after each > cleaning.  It would be > better to clean the waste like this than to allow it to > build up until the > filter is "gross" (which I presume to mean having a heavy > buildup of fish > waste).  Cleaning a fish's filter system would be > comparable to changing a > diaper on a baby.  It's a messy job but you can't just > leave the dirty > diaper (filter) on the baby.  It has to be either cleaned > or trashed. > > I'm glad to hear the fish seem to be recovering but you > will need to change > the way you have been doing things if you want them to > continue being > healthy. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles referenced > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Kuradi Eit > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > > Lenny wrote: > > > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely > overstocked > > > > > Yes, it is.  I admit it. > > But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the > ammonia and > nitrites always test low.  This is the first plague I've > had.  And I blame > it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > > > > > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning > And Maintenance", > > which goes into more details and also shows you how to > modify your > > filter cartridges so you do not have to change them > out.  They are > > designed to last for many, many years so you are just > throwing money > > away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely > putting your tank into > > a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could > be a cause of > > your health issues... that and the likely fact that > your tank is > overstocked. > > > > > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the > Penguin-330.  That's > the one *without* the bio-wheel.  But it does have a > couple of hard coarse > loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc.  I > occasionally give them a > swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever > solids might > have collected in them. > > As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric > disintegrates.  I have > been rinsing them under running water (well water so no > chlorine) on the > first of the month and replacing them on the 15th.  I used > to rinse them > twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons > but more often > than not, they would have been slimy, soft and > disintegrating by then. > GROSS!  That's what I suspect began this plague... season > after season of > GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change > was particularly > disgusting.  (That was the end of that!) > > So what you're suggesting is an interval in between?  > Monthly is too often? > But seasonally is too seldom.  So every other month? > > > The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a > positive effect > despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that > coincided with the > first dose.  The tin foils are no longer hovering near the > waterfall and > their red red blotches are much smaller and fading.  The > cloudy scales that > give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but > I think they > might remain that way.  Fish don't shed, do they?  I > don't think so. > > Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I > need to leave the > fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed > them, especially > the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a > while.  Let's see how > things continue and whether or not they'll need a second > dose after I come > back. > ~Kai > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40400	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Baby Angels again

But then I would find no babies Bill, the filter is the only thing keeping them alive in that tank ;) LOL. IF/when I breed my angel's I will put a sponge pre-filter on, but at this point it's rather moot as they'll get eaten reguardless ;) Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Yo Amber! > > Put a foam pre-filter on that Aqua-Clear! Had the same problem with small > Neon's getting caught in there and up the pipe. A bonus? the > pre-filter makes > the filters inners a bit easier to keep clean. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Baby Angels again > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:16 AM > > A couple of the babies ended up in my aquaclear filter (which is where I > find all the guppy fry), I was considering waiting to see if they get a > little bigger inside the filter and then transferring them to the fry > tank after removing the bigger fry again (guppy's grow fairly fast I'm > learning, heh). I don't have anywhere else to put the babies, actually > that's not true I have a spare 10 gallon for a Q tank, but I was going > to put the 2 female guppy's in it instead... > > Amber > > Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > So I have baby Angelfish again... for perhaps the next 10 minutes, at > > the rate the parents are going. It's so neat to watch the tiny little > > babies swim around the tank near the parents, and if they were better > > parents they wouldn't eat them ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, > you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, > which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post > replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40401	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Treatment

Hmm, well I'd say that next time you should silicone them to the bottom of the tank, but then they're not move-able at all... Perhaps you could silicone them to a flat rock? Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > I should haave said IF the tanks bottom is painted. > Mine are and the fish do not mind a bit. > Some trouble with even the plastic plants though, > they do not stand still! We are working on that one! > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:50 PM > > Bill, > > > > You are right that stripping a tank of gravel makes it > > easier to clean but > > it also shows up the dirt a lot easier. > > > > What I do is just leave a very thin layer of gravel, maybe > > 1/2" to 1" deep. > > This hides the "dirt" but still makes vacuuming the gravel > > a breeze. Bare > > bottomed tanks look so messy so quick that I only use them > > for specialized > > reasons like a Hospital tank or raising fry, etc. If > > I ever break down my > > Cherry Shrimp tank, I'll probably go with a mostly bare > > bottomed tank for > > it, except for maybe a corner of the tank with gravel in it > > in case the > > shrimp like the gravel and then have my plants in > > pots. This would make it > > much easier to clean and to see the baby shrimp when trying > > to do a gravel > > vacuum. At least they'll show up on the glass bottom > > a little easier. > > > > Also, I don't think fish like a bare glass bottomed tank so > > that could > > actually be an additional stressor. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:11 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > > > Also, if this is a long term case, you might want to > > consider stripping the > > tank of gravel. This makes for very fast clean up BUT, as > > Lenny suggests, > > you must do PWC's and keep a special eye on water > > parameters to keep the > > fish safe. > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:56 PM > > > > > > While I do NOT condone overstocking a tank, I understand it > > does happen. > > What the fish keeper needs to do, when their tank is > > overstocked, is do more > > frequent PWC's, gravel vacuuming and filter cleaning to > > remove the fish > > waste and dilute the pollution in the water. This > > "pollution" includes > > DOC's (dissolved organic compounds = dissolved fish poop, > > detritus, etc.) > > but also includes the various hormones emitted by fish. > > Quite often, it is > > these hormones, that when allowed to reach a certain level, > > results in fish > > being stunted, anxious, stressed, etc... all things that > > then cause immune > > system issues which then lead to fish health issues. > > > > Until you are able to solve the overstocking issues, or if > > you plan to live > > with them, then your only solution is the more frequent > > tank maintenance > > schedule to keep water conditions in much better shape. > > The more frequent > > PWC's and gravel vacuuming (some folks have to do them > > daily) will remove > > the majority of the detritus before it can break down and > > the PWC's will > > dilute the hormone levels so the fish do not realize they > > are as overstocked > > as they are. Doing more frequent PWC's kind of simulates > > a flowing stream > > where the fish are getting a constant supply of cleaner > > water while their > > dirty water is washed away downstream. > > > > If your filter cartridges are not able to be cleaned, then > > it is important > > to have other biological filtration going in each filter > > system and to clean > > it properly so you do not harm your nitrifying bacteria > > when cleaning it. > > Then you can trash your filter cartridges more often when > > they get dirty. > > If you do have sufficient biological filtration, you could > > even go as far as > > rinsing your filter cartridges under a running faucet to > > flush away the fish > > waste to make the cartridge nearly new after each > > cleaning. It would be > > better to clean the waste like this than to allow it to > > build up until the > > filter is "gross" (which I presume to mean having a heavy > > buildup of fish > > waste). Cleaning a fish's filter system would be > > comparable to changing a > > diaper on a baby. It's a messy job but you can't just > > leave the dirty > > diaper (filter) on the baby. It has to be either cleaned > > or trashed. > > > > I'm glad to hear the fish seem to be recovering but you > > will need to change > > the way you have been doing things if you want them to > > continue being > > healthy. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to > > any articles referenced > > in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and > > also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of Kuradi Eit > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:49 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Antibiotic Treatment > > > > > Lenny wrote: > > > > > > Considering your tank is heavily stocked and likely > > overstocked > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is. I admit it. > > > > But as I've said, the pH is stable near neutral, and the > > ammonia and > > nitrites always test low. This is the first plague I've > > had. And I blame > > it on the GROSS filters that I'll expound on below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Read my long blog article on proper "Filter Cleaning > > And Maintenance", > > > which goes into more details and also shows you how to > > modify your > > > filter cartridges so you do not have to change them > > out. They are > > > designed to last for many, many years so you are just > > throwing money > > > away by changing them and WORSE, you are likely > > putting your tank into > > > a mini-cycle each time and that added stressor could > > be a cause of > > > your health issues... that and the likely fact that > > your tank is > > overstocked. > > > > > > > > > I use sealed cartridges in my generic equivalent of the > > Penguin-330. That's > > the one *without* the bio-wheel. But it does have a > > couple of hard coarse > > loose "sponges" to hold the good bacteria, etc. I > > occasionally give them a > > swish in the water I've vacuumed out to get rid of whatever > > solids might > > have collected in them. > > > > As for the sealed cartridges, the blue fuzzy fabric > > disintegrates. I have > > been rinsing them under running water (well water so no > > chlorine) on the > > first of the month and replacing them on the 15th. I used > > to rinse them > > twice a month and replace them at the change of the seasons > > but more often > > than not, they would have been slimy, soft and > > disintegrating by then. > > GROSS! That's what I suspect began this plague... season > > after season of > > GROSS-ness -- especially because the last seasonal change > > was particularly > > disgusting. (That was the end of that!) > > > > So what you're suggesting is an interval in between? > > Monthly is too often? > > But seasonally is too seldom. So every other month? > > > > > > The good news is that the Maracyn-Two is already having a > > positive effect > > despite my screw-up with the fresh carbon filter that > > coincided with the > > first dose. The tin foils are no longer hovering near the > > waterfall and > > their red red blotches are much smaller and fading. The > > cloudy scales that > > give the optical illusion of fuzziness are still cloudy but > > I think they > > might remain that way. Fish don't shed, do they? I > > don't think so. > > > > Today is the last scheduled dose of antibiotic and then I > > need to leave the > > fish in my husband's "care" (fortunately he likes to feed > > them, especially > > the catfish that eats algae disks from his hand) for a > > while. Let's see how > > things continue and whether or not they'll need a second > > dose after I come > > back. > > ~Kai > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40402	From: redeye1991	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: red-eye

Hello All, First an apology if you are receiving this email more than once. I have decided to say good bye to my old moniker and email address. Rather than just disappearing I wanted to let you know that my new moniker is aquaticz & the email address is now aquaticz@... After this week I will no longer maintain red-eye@... email address. I will be removing red-eye from this mailing list I hope this finds you and yours safe, healthy and happy Regards, Aquaticz - formerly known as red-eye

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40403	From: grace42101 milobear	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Mine don't even get that far. They eat the eggs a day or two after laying them and there in a 29g by themselves. I haven't given up yet though. Grace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40404	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Bluegills

Our pond, aka 'Lake Ironwood', runneth over! Taking huge bluegill and sunfish out of it lately and a lot of them. Tonight, I was sad to see we took females with full egg clutches. We removed them and shook them lightly in the fish tanks. WOW!! Did you all hear my fish screaming with joy?! Holy smokes. I'm refrigerating/freezing the egg sacs but how long will they stay beneficial to my fish? Is fresh the only way or am I okay to save some for later? It sure doesn't take much to feed them with it. Janet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40405	From: Debbie House	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Thank you for your knowledge , have to go no mail

I do want to thank eveyone for all of your help on cleaning and setting up the existing ponds at our new home. I am going to have to go no mail as I just found out that I am having knee surgery June 9 and the ponds will not get attention for awhile as I can't concentrate on what needs to be done to them for a period of time. So when I can get back to participating I will be back to learn.. Hugs to all. Debbie . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40407	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!

He's been removed. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Man Toya Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:35 PM To: annusyrah@yahoogroups.com; anugerah_juara_lagu@yahoogroups.com; anyprogram@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; article_articles@yahoogroups.com; ARTIS-INDONESIA_BUGIL@yahoogroups.com; asia_travel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this! *STEP BY STEP** technique to become an Internet Millionaire that never before being revealed now is in front of you...*

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40408	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!

And the spam reported. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this! He's been removed. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Man Toya Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:35 PM To: annusyrah@yahoogroups.com; anugerah_juara_lagu@yahoogroups.com; anyprogram@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; article_articles@yahoogroups.com; ARTIS-INDONESIA_BUGIL@yahoogroups.com; asia_travel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this! *STEP BY STEP** technique to become an Internet Millionaire that never before being revealed now is in front of you...* ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40409	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Live Plants?

I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old problem.    Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased locally but very carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open.  Its a sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you want, even if you can find it.   Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on all of this and with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for my 20 gallon long.   My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I have a lot of experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, ever!  Why I say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to good plant growth.    If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be glad for any help or advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit bare without some green.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40410	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Bill, There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your water. After all, in the South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides will help you to pick plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the water is in contact with the earth/ground. http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon Stream and the plants they suggest. http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php (SNIP) Amazon biotope plants A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon region. You can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. Echinodorus paniculatu (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) and Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light to do well. Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light plants. There are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my "Planted Tank" blog. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old problem.    Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased locally but very carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open.  Its a sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you want, even if you can find it.   Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on all of this and with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for my 20 gallon long.   My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I have a lot of experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, ever!  Why I say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to good plant growth.    If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be glad for any help or advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit bare without some green.   Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40411	From: jett07002	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Very important. All Malaysian must read this!

What's wrong with you people? Don't you want to get wiped out of everything you got. This poor guy is just trying to make a living. ---------->Thanks, sincerely for your quick action. I wonder how many poor, desperate people fall for this garbage? joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40412	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

What I did was start with things like Anubias and Sword plants mostly. Then after I felt comfortable with them in my tank I branched out into the more colorful plants and such, but I also keep my plants in dirt with gravel on top. My walstad tank is obviously all dirt under the gravel, the only tank that doesn't have any dirt for the plants is my 10 gallon tank with fry in it, which has mostly java fern and crypts growing in the gravel, but the plants are doing very well so I haven't changed anything. In my tanks upstairs I decided to put the plants into pots with soil/gravel on top that way I can move them as I please ;) After realizing that I over fertilized them and should have waited to do that and getting green water, I have now sorted the problem out and my issues seem to have gone away, so just be careful with your ferts ;) LOL. Also one plant I got from my LFS doesn't seem to be on plant geek, or the picture is of a different type of water fern. My LFS said it was labled "African Water Fern", it has large leaves and it grows "baby" roots at the tips of these leaves, so I assume if you cut the tip of th leaf off with roots on it and replanted that it would grow a new plant? Anyways, it has a rhizome like an Anubias that you don't fully cover with gravel. Plant geek has a tiny little fern shown with that name, so perhaps the LFS got the names mixed up? It's a light green with random brown spots on the leaves, and the leaves definitely have the texture of a fern type plant (rough to the touch). I will take pictures, but I was just stating that whatever it is, it's doing wonderful in my 125 gallon walstad tank, it's grown like 5 new leaves in the last 2 weeks since I got it. The leaves are also odd shaped, the center part of the leaf grows really long and pointy, and at the very tip is where it's growing more roots. Should I try replanting the tip of one of these leaves to see if it regrows another fern? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Bill, > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your water. After all, > in the > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very soft water > with > low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides will help you to pick > plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, you may have to dose > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for the plants to > thrive on since the water is in contact with the earth/ground. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon Stream and the > plants they suggest. > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > (SNIP) > Amazon biotope plants > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon region. You > can for > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. Echinodorus > paniculatu > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) and Echinodorus > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair grass, is another > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > alternatives, but > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light plants. There are > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my "Planted Tank" > blog. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old > problem. > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally but very > carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open. Its a > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you > want, even if you can find it. > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid water at 5.5 to > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all of this and with > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for > my 20 > gallon long. > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have a lot of > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I say that > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not > conducive > to good plant growth. > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad for any help or > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and > is not > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > Bill > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40413	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > Bill, > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > water.  After all, in the > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very > soft water with > low to very low pH.  Using one of the Biotope guides > will help you to pick > plants that should thrive in your water.  Of course, > you may have to dose > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for > the plants to > thrive on since the water is in contact with the > earth/ground. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon > Stream and the > plants they suggest. > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > (SNIP) > Amazon biotope plants > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon > region. You can for > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. > Echinodorus paniculatu > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) > and Echinodorus > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair > grass, is another > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > alternatives, but > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light > plants.  There are > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my > "Planted Tank" blog. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > a new or old > problem.  >   > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > Internet for just > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > locally but very > carefully, because around here there is just not that much > of a selection > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet > open.  Its a > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way > to get what you > want, even if you can find it. >   > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > "playing in the > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about > 6.5 pH and GH > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had acid > water at 5.5 to > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on all > of this and with > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live > plants" for my 20 > gallon long. >   > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I have > a lot of > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, > ever!  Why I say that > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used > UG filters > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers > are not conducive > to good plant growth.  >   > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be glad > for any help or > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons and > Cory cats and is not > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. >   > Bill >   >   > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40414	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers there and most of them pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's a better deal to get a plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > Bill, > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > water. After all, in the > > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very > > soft water with > > low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides > > will help you to pick > > plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, > > you may have to dose > > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for > > the plants to > > thrive on since the water is in contact with the > > earth/ground. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon > > Stream and the > > plants they suggest. > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > (SNIP) > > Amazon biotope plants > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon > > region. You can for > > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) > > and Echinodorus > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair > > grass, is another > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > > alternatives, but > > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light > > plants. There are > > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > > a new or old > > problem. > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > Internet for just > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased > > locally but very > > carefully, because around here there is just not that much > > of a selection > > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet > > open. Its a > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way > > to get what you > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > > "playing in the > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about > > 6.5 pH and GH > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid > > water at 5.5 to > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all > > of this and with > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live > > plants" for my 20 > > gallon long. > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have > > a lot of > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, > > ever! Why I say that > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used > > UG filters > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers > > are not conducive > > to good plant growth. > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad > > for any help or > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and > > Cory cats and is not > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40415	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

For instance this person has a nice low light package available (there are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers there and most of them > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's a better deal to get a > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) LOL. > > Amber > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > water. After all, in the > > > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very > > > soft water with > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick > > > plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, > > > you may have to dose > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for > > > the plants to > > > thrive on since the water is in contact with the > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon > > > Stream and the > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon > > > region. You can for > > > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) > > > and Echinodorus > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair > > > grass, is another > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > > > alternatives, but > > > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > plants. There are > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > on the right > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > > > a new or old > > > problem. > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > > Internet for just > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased > > > locally but very > > > carefully, because around here there is just not that much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet > > > open. Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, > > > ever! Why I say that > > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > replying, Thank You. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > > time in a single email > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40416	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Then it's time to put your hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. It's a lot easier to "catch" plants, than fish. ;-) Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your water.  After all, > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one of the Biotope guides > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in your water.  Of > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in nature, there is > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the water is in > contact with the earth/ground. > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon Stream and > the plants they suggest. > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > (SNIP) > Amazon biotope plants > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon region. You > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. > Echinodorus paniculatu > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) and > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light plants.  There > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my "Planted > Tank" blog. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > To: AquaticLife > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > a new or old > problem.  >   > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > Internet for just > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > locally but very > carefully, because around here there is just not that much > of a selection > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet > open.  Its a > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way > to get what you > want, even if you can find it. >   > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > "playing in the > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about > 6.5 pH and GH > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had acid > water at 5.5 to > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on all > of this and with > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live > plants" for my 20 > gallon long. >   > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I have > a lot of > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, > ever!  Why I say that > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used > UG filters > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers > are not conducive > to good plant growth.  >   > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be glad > for any help or > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons and > Cory cats and is not > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. >   > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40417	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Bill when mine grow some more I'd be happy to send you some. Regards, Aquaticz At 08:56 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >For instance this person has a nice low light package available (there >are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). ><http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 > >Amber > >Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers there and most of them > > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's a better deal to get a > > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > water. After all, in the > > > > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very > > > > soft water with > > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides > > > > will help you to pick > > > > plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, > > > > you may have to dose > > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for > > > > the plants to > > > > thrive on since the water is in contact with the > > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon > > > > Stream and the > > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > See - > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > (SNIP) > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon > > > > region. You can for > > > > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) > > > > and Echinodorus > > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair > > > > grass, is another > > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > > > > alternatives, but > > > > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > > plants. There are > > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my > > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > > > on the right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > > > > a new or old > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > > > Internet for just > > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased > > > > locally but very > > > > carefully, because around here there is just not that much > > > > of a selection > > > > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet > > > > open. Its a > > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way > > > > to get what you > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > > > > "playing in the > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all > > > > of this and with > > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have > > > > a lot of > > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, > > > > ever! Why I say that > > > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used > > > > UG filters > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers > > > > are not conducive > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad > > > > for any help or > > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > > > > > Or e-mail > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > Or email > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > > > > > Or email > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40418	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

As silly as it may sound I have found aqua bid to be an good place to ID plants. There are data bases on line but many times there are renderings. I find an actual photo to be better a better source for me. If you are not going to do ferts weekly then I'd suggest Seachem gravel tablets. I have been advised to replace them every 2 months HTH Regards, Aquaticz At 08:20 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >What I did was start with things like Anubias and Sword plants mostly. >Then after I felt comfortable with them in my tank I branched out into >the more colorful plants and such, but I also keep my plants in dirt >with gravel on top. My walstad tank is obviously all dirt under the >gravel, the only tank that doesn't have any dirt for the plants is my 10 >gallon tank with fry in it, which has mostly java fern and crypts >growing in the gravel, but the plants are doing very well so I haven't >changed anything. In my tanks upstairs I decided to put the plants into >pots with soil/gravel on top that way I can move them as I please ;) >After realizing that I over fertilized them and should have waited to do >that and getting green water, I have now sorted the problem out and my >issues seem to have gone away, so just be careful with your ferts ;) LOL. > >Also one plant I got from my LFS doesn't seem to be on plant geek, or >the picture is of a different type of water fern. My LFS said it was >labled "African Water Fern", it has large leaves and it grows "baby" >roots at the tips of these leaves, so I assume if you cut the tip of th >leaf off with roots on it and replanted that it would grow a new plant? >Anyways, it has a rhizome like an Anubias that you don't fully cover >with gravel. Plant geek has a tiny little fern shown with that name, so >perhaps the LFS got the names mixed up? It's a light green with random >brown spots on the leaves, and the leaves definitely have the texture of >a fern type plant (rough to the touch). I will take pictures, but I was >just stating that whatever it is, it's doing wonderful in my 125 gallon >walstad tank, it's grown like 5 new leaves in the last 2 weeks since I >got it. The leaves are also odd shaped, the center part of the leaf >grows really long and pointy, and at the very tip is where it's growing >more roots. Should I try replanting the tip of one of these leaves to >see if it regrows another fern? > >Amber > >Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your water. After all, > > in the > > South American Rainforests, many of the water ways are very soft water > > with > > low to very low pH. Using one of the Biotope guides will help you to pick > > plants that should thrive in your water. Of course, you may have to dose > > with ferts since, in nature, there is plenty of stuff for the plants to > > thrive on since the water is in contact with the earth/ground. > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or Amazon Stream and the > > plants they suggest. > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > See - > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > (SNIP) > > Amazon biotope plants > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the Amazon region. You > > can for > > instance pick plants from the Echinodorus genus, e.g. Echinodorus > > paniculatu > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword plant) and Echinodorus > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also known as Hair grass, is another > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and Myriophyllum are other > > alternatives, but > > they need quit a lot of light to do well. > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, low-light plants. There are > > dozens to choose from and I have lists and links on my "Planted Tank" > > blog. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old > > problem. > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally but very > > carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection > > and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open. Its a > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid water at 5.5 to > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all of this and with > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for > > my 20 > > gallon long. > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have a lot of > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I say that > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not > > conducive > > to good plant growth. > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad for any help or > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and > > is not > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40419	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Len, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > Then it's time to put your hiking > boots on... or waders... and hit the local > lakes and streams.  It's a lot easier to "catch" > plants, than fish. ;-) > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You might > want to try and catch > some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  I have > no way, save for mail. > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > water.  After all, > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > ways are very > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one of the > Biotope guides > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > your water.  Of > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > nature, there is > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > water is in > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > Amazon Stream and > > the plants they suggest. > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > (SNIP) > > Amazon biotope plants > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > Amazon region. You > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > genus, e.g. > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > plant) and > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > known as Hair > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > Myriophyllum are > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > to do well. > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > low-light plants.  There > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > on my "Planted > > Tank" blog. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > have > > a new or old > > problem.  > >   > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > Internet for just > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > > locally but very > > carefully, because around here there is just not that > much > > of a selection > > and when you find something half decent, get your > wallet > > open.  Its a > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > way > > to get what you > > want, even if you can find it. > >   > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > into > > "playing in the > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > about > > 6.5 pH and GH > > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had > acid > > water at 5.5 to > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on > all > > of this and with > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > "live > > plants" for my 20 > > gallon long. > >   > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I > have > > a lot of > > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, > > ever!  Why I say that > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > used > > UG filters > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > movers > > are not conducive > > to good plant growth.  > >   > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be > glad > > for any help or > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons > and > > Cory cats and is not > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > >   > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40420	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Thanks but what is fertz???(not sure on spelling) I think I had that in Nam but got cured. I still have the "Mad Cow" though! Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> wrote: > From: Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:47 PM > Bill when mine grow some more I'd be > happy to send you some. > Regards, > > Aquaticz > > > > > > > At 08:56 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > > > >For instance this person has a nice low light package > available (there > >are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). > ><http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 > > > >Amber > > > >Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers > there and most of them > > > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's > a better deal to get a > > > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was > trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting > them. I have no way, save > > > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the > fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The > Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live > Plants? > > > > > To: > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do > well in your > > > > > water. After all, in the > > > > > South American Rainforests, many of the > water ways are very > > > > > soft water with > > > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick > > > > > plants that should thrive in your > water. Of course, > > > > > you may have to dose > > > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is > plenty of stuff for > > > > > the plants to > > > > > thrive on since the water is in contact > with the > > > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope..htm > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater > Stream and/or Amazon > > > > > Stream and the > > > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > > See - > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail > from the Amazon > > > > > region. You can for > > > > > instance pick plants from the > Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus > (Dwarf sword plant) > > > > > and Echinodorus > > > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another > > > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > Myriophyllum are other > > > > > alternatives, but > > > > > they need quit a lot of light to do > well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with > Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > > > plants. There are > > > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists > and links on my > > > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed > > > > > on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after > a long absence have > > > > > a new or old > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite > heavily on the > > > > > Internet for just > > > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish > are purchased > > > > > locally but very > > > > > carefully, because around here there is > just not that much > > > > > of a selection > > > > > and when you find something half > decent, get your wallet > > > > > open. Its a > > > > > sellers market and you pay their price > or drive along way > > > > > to get what you > > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have > been forced into > > > > > "playing in the > > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line > with a neutral or about > > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > > and slight KH. This is done with > cuttlebone. I had acid > > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. > Reflecting on all > > > > > of this and with > > > > > these new parameters, I would like to > take a stab at "live > > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without > going crazy. I have > > > > > a lot of > > > > > experience with fish. With plants, > absolutely none, > > > > > ever! Why I say that > > > > > is because years ago when I was first > in the hobby, I used > > > > > UG filters > > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these > filters or water movers > > > > > are not conducive > > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or > suggest? I would be glad > > > > > for any help or > > > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, > and Neons and > > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without > some green. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING > below it when > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, > DELETE all TEXT that is > > > > > NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new > > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > > , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP > in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups > emails, instead of > > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your > delivery option by > > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > > > > > > > > > Or e-mail > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive the digest, which includes > up to 25 posts at a > > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > > > Or email > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will > still be able to > > > > > read messages on the group and post > replies. > > > > > > > > > > Or email > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40421	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

lmao --- On Thu, 5/21/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 2:37 PM Len, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > Then it's time to put your hiking > boots on... or waders... and hit the local > lakes and streams.  It's a lot easier to "catch" > plants, than fish. ;-) > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You might > want to try and catch > some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  I have > no way, save for mail. > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > water.  After all, > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > ways are very > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one of the > Biotope guides > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > your water.  Of > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > nature, there is > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > water is in > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > Amazon Stream and > > the plants they suggest. > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > (SNIP) > > Amazon biotope plants > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > Amazon region. You > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > genus, e.g. > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > plant) and > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > known as Hair > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > Myriophyllum are > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > to do well. > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > low-light plants.  There > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > on my "Planted > > Tank" blog. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > have > > a new or old > > problem.  > >   > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > Internet for just > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > > locally but very > > carefully, because around here there is just not that > much > > of a selection > > and when you find something half decent, get your > wallet > > open.  Its a > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > way > > to get what you > > want, even if you can find it. > >   > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > into > > "playing in the > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > about > > 6.5 pH and GH > > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had > acid > > water at 5.5 to > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on > all > > of this and with > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > "live > > plants" for my 20 > > gallon long. > >   > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I > have > > a lot of > > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, > > ever!  Why I say that > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > used > > UG filters > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > movers > > are not conducive > > to good plant growth.  > >   > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be > glad > > for any help or > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons > and > > Cory cats and is not > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > >   > > Bill > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40422	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

LOL, that was short hand for fertilizers ;) You can get little plant tabs that you push down into the soil/gravel for the plants every so often. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Thanks but what is fertz???(not sure on spelling) > > I think I had that in Nam but got cured. > I still have the "Mad Cow" though! > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Aquaticz <aquaticz@... > <mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>> wrote: > > > From: Aquaticz <aquaticz@... <mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:47 PM > > Bill when mine grow some more I'd be > > happy to send you some. > > Regards, > > > > Aquaticz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:56 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > > > > > > >For instance this person has a nice low light package > > available (there > > >are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). > > > ><http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 > <http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802>>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 > <http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802> > > > > > >Amber > > > > > >Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers > > there and most of them > > > > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's > > a better deal to get a > > > > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was > > trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting > > them. I have no way, save > > > > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the > > fish around here. > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The > > Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live > > Plants? > > > > > > To: > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do > > well in your > > > > > > water. After all, in the > > > > > > South American Rainforests, many of the > > water ways are very > > > > > > soft water with > > > > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the > > Biotope guides > > > > > > will help you to pick > > > > > > plants that should thrive in your > > water. Of course, > > > > > > you may have to dose > > > > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is > > plenty of stuff for > > > > > > the plants to > > > > > > thrive on since the water is in contact > > with the > > > > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope..htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope..htm> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>> > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater > > Stream and/or Amazon > > > > > > Stream and the > > > > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>> > > > > > > See - > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>> > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail > > from the Amazon > > > > > > region. You can for > > > > > > instance pick plants from the > > Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus > > (Dwarf sword plant) > > > > > > and Echinodorus > > > > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > known as Hair > > > > > > grass, is another > > > > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > Myriophyllum are other > > > > > > alternatives, but > > > > > > they need quit a lot of light to do > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with > > Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > > > > plants. There are > > > > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists > > and links on my > > > > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed > > > > > > on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > > also under Archives > > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after > > a long absence have > > > > > > a new or old > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite > > heavily on the > > > > > > Internet for just > > > > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish > > are purchased > > > > > > locally but very > > > > > > carefully, because around here there is > > just not that much > > > > > > of a selection > > > > > > and when you find something half > > decent, get your wallet > > > > > > open. Its a > > > > > > sellers market and you pay their price > > or drive along way > > > > > > to get what you > > > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have > > been forced into > > > > > > "playing in the > > > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line > > with a neutral or about > > > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > > > and slight KH. This is done with > > cuttlebone. I had acid > > > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. > > Reflecting on all > > > > > > of this and with > > > > > > these new parameters, I would like to > > take a stab at "live > > > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without > > going crazy. I have > > > > > > a lot of > > > > > > experience with fish. With plants, > > absolutely none, > > > > > > ever! Why I say that > > > > > > is because years ago when I was first > > in the hobby, I used > > > > > > UG filters > > > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these > > filters or water movers > > > > > > are not conducive > > > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or > > suggest? I would be glad > > > > > > for any help or > > > > > > advise offered. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40423	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local water. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Len, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > Then it's time to put your hiking > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams.  It's a > lot easier to "catch" > plants, than fish. ;-) > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You might want to try and > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  I have > no way, save for mail. > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > water.  After all, > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > ways are very > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one of the > Biotope guides > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > your water.  Of > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > nature, there is > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > water is in > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > Amazon Stream and > > the plants they suggest. > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > (SNIP) > > Amazon biotope plants > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > Amazon region. You > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > genus, e.g. > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > plant) and > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > known as Hair > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > Myriophyllum are > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > to do well. > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > low-light plants.  There > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > on my "Planted > > Tank" blog. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > To: AquaticLife > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > have > > a new or old > > problem.  > >   > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > Internet for just > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > > locally but very > > carefully, because around here there is just not that > much > > of a selection > > and when you find something half decent, get your > wallet > > open.  Its a > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > way > > to get what you > > want, even if you can find it. > >   > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > into > > "playing in the > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > about > > 6.5 pH and GH > > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  I had > acid > > water at 5.5 to > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on > all > > of this and with > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > "live > > plants" for my 20 > > gallon long. > >   > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I > have > > a lot of > > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely none, > > ever!  Why I say that > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > used > > UG filters > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > movers > > are not conducive > > to good plant growth.  > >   > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be > glad > > for any help or > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and Neons > and > > Cory cats and is not > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > >   > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40424	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They didn't > clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them from the > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's easier/cheaper than > growing them... just like the fish. > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > water. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > Len, > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. It's a > > lot easier to "catch" > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have > > no way, save for mail. > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > water. After all, > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > ways are very > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > your water. Of > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > nature, there is > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > water is in > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > Amazon Stream and > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > Amazon region. You > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > plant) and > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > known as Hair > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > Myriophyllum are > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > low-light plants. There > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > on my "Planted > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > > have > > > a new or old > > > problem. > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > > Internet for just > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased > > > locally but very > > > carefully, because around here there is just not that > > much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get your > > wallet > > > open. Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > > way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > > into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > > about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had > > acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on > > all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > > "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I > > have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, > > > ever! Why I say that > > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > > used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > > movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be > > glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons > > and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40425	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

"Ferts", as the way I spelled it, is short for fertilizers, but your "fertz" would work just as well... and actually make you look "cool" since the kidz end lotz of plural wordz with "z" nowadayz... and even Aquaticz, in this thread, uses the "z". But for me, I just used "ferts" as a shortened version of "fertilizers"... you know how we like to shorten words... like "snafu", originally a military acronym for - situation normal, all f(ouled) up. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Thanks but what is fertz???(not sure on spelling) I think I had that in Nam but got cured. I still have the "Mad Cow" though! Bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> wrote: > From: Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:47 PM > Bill when mine grow some more I'd be > happy to send you some. > Regards, > > Aquaticz > > > > > > > At 08:56 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > > > >For instance this person has a nice low light package > available (there > >are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). > ><http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&124317 > >7802>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&12 > >43177802 > > > >Amber > > > >Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers > there and most of them > > > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's > a better deal to get a > > > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) > LOL. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was > trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting > them. I have no way, save > > > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the > fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The > Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live > Plants? > > > > > To: > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do > well in your > > > > > water. After all, in the > > > > > South American Rainforests, many of the > water ways are very > > > > > soft water with > > > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick > > > > > plants that should thrive in your > water. Of course, > > > > > you may have to dose > > > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is > plenty of stuff for > > > > > the plants to > > > > > thrive on since the water is in contact > with the > > > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/bioto > > pe.htm > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biot > > ope..htm > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater > Stream and/or Amazon > > > > > Stream and the > > > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropical > > fish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropica > > lfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > > See - > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmans > > tropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badman > > stropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aqua > > ticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aqu > > aticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail > from the Amazon > > > > > region. You can for > > > > > instance pick plants from the > Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus > (Dwarf sword plant) > > > > > and Echinodorus > > > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another > > > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > Myriophyllum are other > > > > > alternatives, but > > > > > they need quit a lot of light to do > well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with > Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > > > plants. There are > > > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists > and links on my > > > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed > > > > > on the right > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > also under Archives > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroup > > s.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after > a long absence have > > > > > a new or old > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite > heavily on the > > > > > Internet for just > > > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish > are purchased > > > > > locally but very > > > > > carefully, because around here there is > just not that much > > > > > of a selection > > > > > and when you find something half > decent, get your wallet > > > > > open. Its a > > > > > sellers market and you pay their price > or drive along way > > > > > to get what you > > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have > been forced into > > > > > "playing in the > > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line > with a neutral or about > > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > > and slight KH. This is done with > cuttlebone. I had acid > > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. > Reflecting on all > > > > > of this and with > > > > > these new parameters, I would like to > take a stab at "live > > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without > going crazy. I have > > > > > a lot of > > > > > experience with fish. With plants, > absolutely none, > > > > > ever! Why I say that > > > > > is because years ago when I was first > in the hobby, I used > > > > > UG filters > > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these > filters or water movers > > > > > are not conducive > > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or > suggest? I would be glad > > > > > for any help or > > > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, > and Neons and > > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without > some green. > > > > > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40426	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Len, Len, Your missing the point here. Collect plants? Good which ones? You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing of them. That included wild ones too. As for putting them in an aquarium? Not many un-answered questions my friend. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:24 PM > How do you think the plant sellers > first got their plants?  They didn't > clone them in a petri dish.  They went out and > collected them from the > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > easier/cheaper than > growing them... just like the fish. > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your > local water. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams.  It's a > > lot easier to "catch" > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You might > want to try and > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to > make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  I > have > > no way, save for mail. > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in > your > > water.  After all, > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the > water > > ways are very > > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one > of the > > Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive > in > > your water.  Of > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, > in > > nature, there is > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since > the > > water is in > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream > and/or > > Amazon Stream and > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > Amazon region. You > > > can for instance pick plants from the > Echinodorus > > genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf > sword > > plant) and > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, > also > > known as Hair > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba > and > > Myriophyllum are > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of > light > > to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > low-light plants.  There > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and > links > > on my "Planted > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long > absence > > have > > > a new or old > > > problem.  > > >   > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on > the > > > Internet for just > > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are > purchased > > > locally but very > > > carefully, because around here there is just not > that > > much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get > your > > wallet > > > open.  Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive > along > > way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > >   > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been > forced > > into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a > neutral or > > about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  > I had > > acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  > Reflecting on > > all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab > at > > "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > >   > > > My problem is how to get some without going > crazy.  I > > have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely > none, > > > ever!  Why I say that > > > is because years ago when I was first in the > hobby, I > > used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or > water > > movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth.  > > >   > > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I > would be > > glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and > Neons > > and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > >   > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40427	From: Debra	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Hi Bill: I love my planted tanks and my recommendation for you is to start with a good substrate. There are a couple of commercial products now with nutrients for plants that should be available at your LFS. Put one of those in and then cover with small pea gravel. Take your fish out first and most of the water, take your time, and be very gentle putting the water back in. If you don't have plants yet get the substrate laid in and then order yourself some online. Start with easy to grow plants like water wisteria and vallesaneria (sp?) They grow like weeds (my scat loves to eat the wisteria so I grow it in the other tanks and feed it to him in another). Wisteria is also good cover for fry to hide in. . As for your Ph I have the same plants growing in three different water conditions i.e. a discus tank @ 6, a general community tank around 7+ and a brackish tank around 8. The better the substrate the healthier the plants. I have a variety of swords, vals, wisteria, java ferns, Christmas moss etc. Most were purchased online through eBay. I have recently tried importing plants from hubby's goldfish pond and that is working out well too (water hyacinth and taro so far). I would like to try a lotus next since we lost the ones in the pond during Katrina. Hope this helps. Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:47:44 To: AquaticLife<AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old problem.� � Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just about all of my equipment needs.� Fish are purchased locally but very carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open.� Its a sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you want, even if you can find it. � Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH.� This is done with cuttlebone.� I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.� Reflecting on all of this and with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for my 20 gallon long. � My problem is how to get some without going crazy.� I have a lot of experience with fish.� With plants, absolutely none, ever!� Why I say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to good plant growth.� � If someone would like to help or suggest?� I would be glad for any help or advise offered.� The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. � Bill � � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40428	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you ever get it set up. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They didn't > clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them from the > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's easier/cheaper > than growing them... just like the fish. > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > water. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > Len, > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > for mail. > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > water. After all, > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > ways are very > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > your water. Of > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > nature, there is > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > water is in > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > Amazon Stream and > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > Amazon region. You > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > plant) and > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > known as Hair > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > Myriophyllum are > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > low-light plants. There > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > on my "Planted > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > > have > > > a new or old > > > problem. > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for > > > just about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally > > > but very carefully, because around here there is just not that > > much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get your > > wallet > > > open. Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > > way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > > into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > > about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had > > acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on > > all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > > "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I > > have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I > > > say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > > used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > > movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be > > glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons > > and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40429	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Fwd: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Fw: following up on HR 669 [7 Attachments]

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Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [SOFTBILLED_BIRDS] Fw: following up on HR 669 [7 Attachments] [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0576f790/default.html#TopText) from Jan and/or ET Trader included below] Hello. Here is an update below my email and also documents attached that I received today from Don Butler. We are extremely fortunate that his job at Murphy Brown and his position as President of the Pork Producers Counsel enables him to have the right contacts in Washington for issues such as these. I will keep you posted should I hear more. I will publish in both the APWS and CVPWS magazines for members and get the info up on the CVPWS website and have Bill Morrison put it up on APWS. Please forward on to groups you deem necessary. Any questions, just let me know. Jan Trader *************************************************************************** Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: FW: following up on HR 669 Jan, Brent, here is an update on efforts to defeat HR669, the bill which could make it illegal to keep, breed and trade non-native animal species. Opposition to the bill has exploded into a major firestorm and it appears that the bill is NOT LIKELY get out of committee. This does not mean we should back off or that the fight is over, to the contrary, we need to stoke the fire. Over 40,000 letters in opposition to the bill have been received by the committee members. They said they had never seen so many letters opposing a bill. I was back in I was back yesterday and met with Chris Berardini, the Chief of Staff for Congressman Henry Brown who is the ranking member of the Subcommittee on the Resources Committee where the bill is under consideration. Congressman Brown is strongly opposed to the bill. I asked Chris what we could do to help defeat the bill. He said that a broad coalition is being formed to fight the bill and it would be good for CVPWS, APWS, IWWA and other like minded organizations to co-sign a letter to the committee. He said he would send me more information about how to sign on. As soon as I get that I will send it to you. I don’t have the email addresses for Terry Smith or Walt Sturgeon. Can you forward this update to them and ask them to stand by to co-sign a letter? Please feel free to share this update with all IWWA, CVPWS and APWS leaders and members as you deem appropriate. Hope all is well. Thanks Don ____________________________________ From: Tommy Sevier Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:22 PM To: Don Butler Subject: following up on HR 669 Don, Hope you are well. I wanted to follow up on HR 669. I watched the hearing that took place a while back and my notes are below. More importantly, I spoke with Chris Berardini, Chief of Staff for Congressman Henry Brown (SC-1). Brown is the Ranking Member on the Subcommittee in the Resources Committee where HR 669 is being reviewed. The Chair for that Subcommittee is Rep. Bordallo of The who introduced HR 669. Chris said the Defenders of Wildlife and other extreme enviros are the real ones pushing this bill. Brown’s office said they were about to mobilize a large portion of the pet industry in opposition from small pet stores to the bigs guys, like Pet Smart and Petco, to come out in opposition. Bordallo and the Resources committee got over 40,000 letters in opposition to the bill. It sounds like Bordallo got the message that she stepped on a land mine and have pulled back moving forward at this point. Also, Chris said that Congressman Rahall (WV), Chairman of the Resources Committee, doesn’t like this bill and is upset that a lot of Also, folks in the pet industry are very upset with him because of this bill. Chris forwarded me several letters in opposition to the bill from several different organizations, which I thought you would be interested in. He also sent me several text documents that are committee briefing sheets and Mr. Brown’s hearing statement. He asked if we would not share any of the briefing materials he sent us. Probably a good idea for you to meet with Chris next time you are in town if you have time and talk to him about your situation, etc. Just let me know and I’m happy to set up the meeting. Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else. Thanks. Tommy Tommy Sevier Director, Government Relations National Pork Producers Council 122 C Street, NW, Suite 875 Washington, , House Resources Committee Subcommittee Hearing on HR 669 Witnesses: _Gary Frazer _ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_frazer.pdf) Assistant Director for Fisheries and Habitat Conservation <ST1><ST1>Uni Fish and Wildlife Service United States Department of the Interior _David Lodge, Ph.D._ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_lodge.pdf) Director, Center for Aquatic Conservation Professor, Department of Biological Sciences <ST1><ST1> of of Dame _Simon C. Nemtzov, Ph.D_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_nemtzov.pdf) Wildlife Ecologist and Scientific Authority for the CITES Convention <ST1> Nature and Parks Authority _Lawrence M. Riley_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_riley.pdf) Division Coordinator Wildlife Management Division <ST1><S Game and Fish Department _William R. "Bill" Martin_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_martin.pdf) President Blue Ridge Aquaculture, Inc. _Marshall Meyers_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_meyers.pdf) CEO and General Counsel Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council Notes: Bordallo started off with an opening statement that there are high costs to tax payers for incidents of non native invasive species so she wants to put a plan in place to “fix” the problem. Specifically, she wants some risk based assessment of the species and possibly a definite list of approved and unapproved species – she mentioned that Specific and and <ST1><ST1> have this. Of course she mentioned how Of has been impacted by the snake and it is obvious that that is her real drive here. Brown’s opening statement was in opposition to the bill. He discussed all the pet companies who are in opposition and would go out of business if this bill moved forward. Discussed how the bill hurts small businesses. He said there should be a black list of obvious invaise species rather than going through a risk based assessment process for years and having a list of approved and unapproved species, etc. Witness Testimony _Gary Frazer _ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_frazer.pdf) Assistant Director for Fisheries and Habitat Conservation <ST1><ST1>Uni Fish and Wildlife Service United States Department of the Interior Gary with Fish and Wildlife said he appreciates the focus on the issues, but has concerns with the draft. 1 – Fish and Wildlife doesn’t have the manpower or resources to do a risk based assessment process and come up with a list; 2 – has issues with enforcement provisions and 3 – fees included in draft help with risk but not with other cost associated with the proposal. _William R. "Bill" Martin_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_martin.pdf) President Blue Ridge Aquaculture, Inc. Bill is a tilapia grower. He has concerns on how this would impact his industry and small business has a whole. Worried the bill paints a wide stroke over a problem and could have many unintended consequences. _Marshall Meyers_ (http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/Documents/20090423insular/testimony_meyers.pdf) CEO and General Counsel Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council Strongly opposed to the bill and harmful affects it would have on the industry. Said it would be a managerial nightmare. **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40430	From: Snerticus	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Definitely try Aquabid. I've used them a lot in the past and when I get my new kitchen aquarium set up I'm eyeing up some plants myself on there. Keep in mind that even though you've heard plants don't do well in a UG tank, the plants I have here are doing fantastic in my little 5 gal. despite my UG filter. Probably because of the detritus that has built up in the gravel. The substrate is quite deep, probably defeating the purpose of the UG filter, but oh well. I began two 5 gal tanks when I started a few years ago. Like you, I'd kept fish but had no experience with plants whatsoever. I used fluorite and no UG filter in one tank and crushed coral gravel with a UG filter in the other. I'm sure I did this as an experiment to compare the two. To my surprise, the UG filter tank grew more vigorous plants! I don't know if the combination of substrate, tank occupants, or plants themselves was the cause of my unexpected plant growth in the UG tank , but I'm going to try to do it again with a 15 gal and one of the 5 gallons as a refugium for snails, shrimp and other inverts as well as the majority of plants. True, some like my java fern and java moss did not do so well, but this one plant is growing like a weed. As a matter of fact, I have birds and give them romaine lettuce a lot. I've taken the lettuce stalks and kept them in my overflow filter's reservoir so they stayed hydrated and do you know those lettuce stalks started growing roots and then leaves? After I saw this, I put things like rose cuttings, other veggies, and I now have a small palm tree (very small) stalk growing in the reservoir - and all took root. Every plant or cutting I seem to put in my filter chamber seems to take root. Talk about hydroponics! Sadly, because I wasn't getting good results with the fluorite tank without a UG filter, I took it down and only have had the one with the UG filter up now for a few years. BTW - to anyone who has read my last posts about plants that lived in high pH, I posted the pics of my weedy plants in the photo section under "Snert's". There is a pic of the plants I'm talking about and a pic of my Giraffe Cichlid. If anyone can identify that plant, I'd sure be appreciative. I'd like more that grow that well perhaps in the same family, just smaller species if possible. (Off the subject: looks like my Cichlid is a cross between the Bumblebee and the Giraffe cichlid. It has a stripe or two in front and then spots behind. Is that possible?) Good luck Bill, Snert _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:48 AM To: AquaticLife Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have a new or old problem. Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for just about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally but very carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open. Its a sellers market and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you want, even if you can find it. Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all of this and with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for my 20 gallon long. My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have a lot of experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to good plant growth. If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad for any help or advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40431	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Yes, it does help Deb. My biggest problem is a good and trusted source. Yes, I know about Aquabid and others but its like with the fish themselves, trusted! Thats the key and thanks again for your comments and suggestions. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Debra <dmelton2@...> wrote: > From: Debra <dmelton2@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 2:54 PM > > Hi Bill: > > I love my planted tanks and my recommendation for you is to > start with a good substrate. There are a couple of > commercial products  now with nutrients for plants that > should be available at your LFS.  Put one of those in > and then cover with small pea gravel. Take your fish out > first and most of the water, take your time, and be very > gentle putting the water back in.  If you don't have > plants yet get the substrate laid in and then order yourself > some online.  Start with easy to grow plants like water > wisteria and vallesaneria (sp?) They grow like weeds (my > scat loves to eat the wisteria so I grow it in the other > tanks  and feed it to him in another). Wisteria is also > good cover for fry to hide in. . As for your Ph I have the > same plants growing in three different water conditions i.e. > a discus tank @ 6, a general community tank around 7+  > and a brackish tank around 8. The better the substrate the > healthier the plants.  I have a variety of swords, > vals, wisteria, java ferns, Christmas moss etc.  Most > were purchased online through eBay. > > I have recently tried importing plants from hubby's > goldfish pond and that is working out well too (water > hyacinth and taro so far).  I would like to try a lotus > next since we lost the ones in the pond during Katrina. > > Hope this helps. > > Deb > OS, MS > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:47:44 > To: AquaticLife<AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > a new or old problem.  >   > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > Internet for > just about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are purchased > locally but very carefully, because around here there is > just not that much of a selection and when you find > something half decent, get your wallet open.  Its a sellers > market > and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you > want, even if you can find it. >   > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a > neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH.  This is done > with cuttlebone.  I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no > hardness, either GH or KH.  Reflecting on all of this and > with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > "live plants" for my 20 gallon long. >   > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.  I have > a lot of experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely > none, ever!  Why I say that is because years ago when I was > first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we > know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to > good plant growth.  >   > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I would be glad > for any help or advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, > and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit > bare without some green. >   > Bill >   >   > > >       > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40432	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Whichever ones are growing good and that you like the look of. Isn't that how you'd buy them at a store? Heck, while you are out "plant fishing", you could bring some clay pots and dig up some of the soil of the lake/river, along with the plant and re-pot them out in the field, then stick them in an ice chest with the local water. Once you get home with all your fresh catch, you can do the sanitizing, quarantine and acclimation to your aquarium water, all in the same ice chest. Of course, like Amber, your local plants may prefer cooler water temps unless you have some lakes/rivers that get into the higher 70's during the spring/summer months, then the plants doing well in those lakes/rivers should acclimate to your tropical tank. If I ever expand my tank collection again, I might just have to go with a Louisiana Swampland biotope. I wonder how the alligator and water moccasin will handle my weekly tank maintenance??? Heck... I might not have to do tank maintenance... have you ever smelled a swamp in the heat of the summer? I bet NANFA has a section on collection plants. BTW, NANFA is the North American Native Fishes Association and they have active forums all about collecting and keeping native fish. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Len, Len, Your missing the point here. Collect plants? Good which ones? You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing of them. That included wild ones too. As for putting them in an aquarium? Not many un-answered questions my friend. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:24 PM > How do you think the plant sellers > first got their plants?  They didn't > clone them in a petri dish.  They went out and collected them from the > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's easier/cheaper > than growing them... just like the fish. > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > water. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams.  It's a > > lot easier to "catch" > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You might > want to try and > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to > make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  I > have > > no way, save for mail. > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in > your > > water.  After all, > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the > water > > ways are very > > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using one > of the > > Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive > in > > your water.  Of > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, > in > > nature, there is > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since > the > > water is in > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream > and/or > > Amazon Stream and > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > Amazon region. You > > > can for instance pick plants from the > Echinodorus > > genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf > sword > > plant) and > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, > also > > known as Hair > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba > and > > Myriophyllum are > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of > light > > to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > low-light plants.  There > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and > links > > on my "Planted > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long > absence > > have > > > a new or old > > > problem.  > > >   > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on > the > > > Internet for just > > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are > purchased > > > locally but very > > > carefully, because around here there is just not > that > > much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get > your > > wallet > > > open.  Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive > along > > way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > >   > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been > forced > > into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a > neutral or > > about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH.  This is done with cuttlebone.  > I had > > acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  > Reflecting on > > all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab > at > > "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > >   > > > My problem is how to get some without going > crazy.  I > > have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish.  With plants, absolutely > none, > > > ever!  Why I say that > > > is because years ago when I was first in the > hobby, I > > used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or > water > > movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth.  > > >   > > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  I > would be > > glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, and > Neons > > and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > >   > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40433	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Len, "have you ever smelled a swamp in the heat of the summer"? I spent 5 months at Parris Island, S.C. I'll give you a bigger hint----I WAS NOT on vacation. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 4:52 PM > Whichever ones are growing good and > that you like the look of.  Isn't that > how you'd buy them at a store?  Heck, while you are > out "plant fishing", you > could bring some clay pots and dig up some of the soil of > the lake/river, > along with the plant and re-pot them out in the field, then > stick them in an > ice chest with the local water.  Once you get home > with all your fresh > catch, you can do the sanitizing, quarantine and > acclimation to your > aquarium water, all in the same ice chest. > > Of course, like Amber, your local plants may prefer cooler > water temps > unless you have some lakes/rivers that get into the higher > 70's during the > spring/summer months, then the plants doing well in those > lakes/rivers > should acclimate to your tropical tank. > > If I ever expand my tank collection again, I might just > have to go with a > Louisiana Swampland biotope.  I wonder how the > alligator and water moccasin > will handle my weekly tank > maintenance???   Heck... I might not have to > do > tank maintenance... have you ever smelled a swamp in the > heat of the summer? > > I bet NANFA has a section on collection plants.  BTW, > NANFA is the North > American Native Fishes Association and they have active > forums all about > collecting and keeping native fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, Len, > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants?  Good > which ones? > You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing > of them. > That included wild ones too.  As for putting them in > an aquarium? > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:24 PM > > How do you think the plant sellers > > first got their plants?  They didn't > > clone them in a petri dish.  They went out and > collected them from the > > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > easier/cheaper > > than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like > your local > > water. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes > and > > streams.  It's a > > > lot easier to "catch" > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them > first. > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You > might > > want to try and > > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" > plants. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying > to > > make. > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  > I > > have > > > no way, save for mail. > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around > here. > > > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > Bill, > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well > in > > your > > > water.  After all, > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of > the > > water > > > ways are very > > > > soft water with low to very low pH.  Using > one > > of the > > > Biotope guides > > > > will help you to pick plants that should > thrive > > in > > > your water.  Of > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts > since, > > in > > > nature, there is > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on > since > > the > > > water is in > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream > > and/or > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > (SNIP) > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from > the > > > Amazon region. You > > > > can for instance pick plants from the > > Echinodorus > > > genus, e.g. > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf > > sword > > > plant) and > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis > acicularis, > > also > > > known as Hair > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. > Cabomba > > and > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot > of > > light > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with > Easy-to-grow, > > > low-light plants.  There > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists > and > > links > > > on my "Planted > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a > long > > absence > > > have > > > > a new or old > > > > problem.  > > > >   > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite > heavily on > > the > > > > Internet for just > > > > about all of my equipment needs.  Fish are > > purchased > > > > locally but very > > > > carefully, because around here there is just > not > > that > > > much > > > > of a selection > > > > and when you find something half decent, > get > > your > > > wallet > > > > open.  Its a > > > > sellers market and you pay their price or > drive > > along > > > way > > > > to get what you > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > >   > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been > > forced > > > into > > > > "playing in the > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a > > neutral or > > > about > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > and slight KH.  This is done with > cuttlebone.  > > I had > > > acid > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH.  > > Reflecting on > > > all > > > > of this and with > > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a > stab > > at > > > "live > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > gallon long. > > > >   > > > > My problem is how to get some without going > > crazy.  I > > > have > > > > a lot of > > > > experience with fish.  With plants, > absolutely > > none, > > > > ever!  Why I say that > > > > is because years ago when I was first in > the > > hobby, I > > > used > > > > UG filters > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters > or > > water > > > movers > > > > are not conducive > > > > to good plant growth.  > > > >   > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest?  > I > > would be > > > glad > > > > for any help or > > > > advise offered.  The tank contains Rams, > and > > Neons > > > and > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some > green. > > > >   > > > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40434	From: Debra	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

My trusted source on ebay is mikeswetpets good every thing: plants, service, communication, prices etc. Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:41:00 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Yes, it does help Deb. My biggest problem is a good and trusted source. Yes, I know about Aquabid and others but its like with the fish themselves, trusted! Thats the key and thanks again for your comments and suggestions. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Debra <dmelton2@...> wrote: > From: Debra <dmelton2@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 2:54 PM > > Hi Bill: > > I love my planted tanks and my recommendation for you is to > start with a good substrate. There are a couple of > commercial products� now with nutrients for plants that > should be available at your LFS.� Put one of those in > and then cover with small pea gravel. Take your fish out > first and most of the water, take your time, and be very > gentle putting the water back in.� If you don't have > plants yet get the substrate laid in and then order yourself > some online.� Start with easy to grow plants like water > wisteria and vallesaneria (sp?) They grow like weeds (my > scat loves to eat the wisteria so I grow it in the other > tanks� and feed it to him in another). Wisteria is also > good cover for fry to hide in. . As for your Ph I have the > same plants growing in three different water conditions i.e. > a discus tank @ 6, a general community tank around 7+� > and a brackish tank around 8. The better the substrate the > healthier the plants.� I have a variety of swords, > vals, wisteria, java ferns, Christmas moss etc.� Most > were purchased online through eBay. > > I have recently tried importing plants from hubby's > goldfish pond and that is working out well too (water > hyacinth and taro so far).� I would like to try a lotus > next since we lost the ones in the pond during Katrina. > > Hope this helps. > > Deb > OS, MS > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> > > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:47:44 > To: AquaticLife<AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have > a new or old problem.� > � > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > Internet for > just about all of my equipment needs.� Fish are purchased > locally but very carefully, because around here there is > just not that much of a selection and when you find > something half decent, get your wallet open.� Its a sellers > market > and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you > want, even if you can find it. > � > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into > "playing in the water" and bring my pH more in line with a > neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH and slight KH.� This is done > with cuttlebone.� I had acid water at 5.5 to 5.8 and no > hardness, either GH or KH.� Reflecting on all of this and > with these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > "live plants" for my 20 gallon long. > � > My problem is how to get some without going crazy.� I have > a lot of experience with fish.� With plants, absolutely > none, ever!� Why I say that is because years ago when I was > first in the hobby, I used UG filters exclusively, and as we > know, these filters or water movers are not conducive to > good plant growth.� > � > If someone would like to help or suggest?� I would be glad > for any help or advise offered.� The tank contains Rams, > and Neons and Cory cats and is not over crowded, but a bit > bare without some green. > � > Bill > � > � > > > � � � > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> > �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. > , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.� > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40435	From: harry perry	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Live plants.

Like everything else in this hobby the wisest course of action is to research before you buy. A lot of folks start out buying beautiful plants and in about two weeks end up with a home made swamp. What happened?. What happened was the plants weren't matched to the lighting they have.The plants needs weren't researched Your local LFS has everything you need except the guidance you really need. The average set-up your LFS will sell you, the average hood, comes to about 1 watt per gallon. The beautiful red lotus you saw won't survive with 1 watt per gallon. First decide what you want and what you can afford. If you want a tank like thishttp://www.aquatic-eden.com/2007/01/aquascape-analysis-3-amanos-dance-of.html Understand this man is a master. And money is no object. Some very beautiful aquascaping can be achieved for a lot less. You could Google low light plants. These will grow well using  the average hood. Or decide the plants or the aquascaping you want and then buy what you need. If your just going to buy plants without any research your throwing your money away. Live plants aren't hard but you can't just throw anything in your tank and expect it to thrive. I can't afford a CO2 system so I used aquarium fertilizer and a DIY CO2 system to accomplish my goals. With the right plants you might not even need that. The key to success is knowledge. I'm sure Lenny's blog will have many links to help you. Take the time to learn. A well planted tank is very rewarding. Harry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40436	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Semper Fi. But you only spent five months there. Parris Island has followed me around everywhere I go... thank God. You see, I was born there. Maybe that's why I get along so well with the Luziana swamps. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Len, "have you ever smelled a swamp in the heat of the summer"? I spent 5 months at Parris Island, S.C. I'll give you a bigger hint----I WAS NOT on vacation. bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 4:52 PM > Whichever ones are growing good and > that you like the look of.  Isn't that how you'd buy them at a store?  > Heck, while you are out "plant fishing", you could bring some clay > pots and dig up some of the soil of the lake/river, along with the > plant and re-pot them out in the field, then stick them in an ice > chest with the local water.  Once you get home with all your fresh > catch, you can do the sanitizing, quarantine and acclimation to your > aquarium water, all in the same ice chest. > > Of course, like Amber, your local plants may prefer cooler water temps > unless you have some lakes/rivers that get into the higher 70's during > the spring/summer months, then the plants doing well in those > lakes/rivers should acclimate to your tropical tank. > > If I ever expand my tank collection again, I might just have to go > with a Louisiana Swampland biotope.  I wonder how the alligator and > water moccasin will handle my weekly tank maintenance???   Heck... I > might not have to do tank maintenance... have you ever smelled a swamp > in the heat of the summer? > > I bet NANFA has a section on collection plants.  BTW, NANFA is the > North American Native Fishes Association and they have active forums > all about collecting and keeping native fish. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, Len, > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants?  Good > which ones? > You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing > of them. > That included wild ones too.  As for putting them in > an aquarium? > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:24 PM > > How do you think the plant sellers > > first got their plants?  They didn't > > clone them in a petri dish.  They went out and > collected them from the > > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > easier/cheaper > > than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like > your local > > water. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes > and > > streams.  It's a > > > lot easier to "catch" > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them > first. > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  You > might > > want to try and > > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" > plants. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying > to > > make. > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them.  > I > > have > > > no way, save for mail. > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around > here. > > > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > Bill

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40437	From: bill1433	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

What can I say to that? You already know that you are unique BUT being born there? Buddy, nobody could top that, not even me. <grin> bill --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:47 PM > Semper Fi.  But you only spent > five months there.  Parris Island has > followed me around everywhere I go... thank God.  You > see, I was born there. > Maybe that's why I get along so well with the Luziana > swamps. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of bill1433 > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:13 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > Len, > > "have you ever smelled a swamp in the heat of the summer"? > > I spent 5 months at Parris Island, S.C. > > I'll give you a bigger hint----I WAS NOT on vacation. > > bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 4:52 PM > > Whichever ones are growing good and > > that you like the look of.  Isn't that how you'd buy > them at a store?  > > Heck, while you are out "plant fishing", you could > bring some clay > > pots and dig up some of the soil of the lake/river, > along with the > > plant and re-pot them out in the field, then stick > them in an ice > > chest with the local water.  Once you get home with > all your fresh > > catch, you can do the sanitizing, quarantine and > acclimation to your > > aquarium water, all in the same ice chest. > > > > Of course, like Amber, your local plants may prefer > cooler water temps > > unless you have some lakes/rivers that get into the > higher 70's during > > the spring/summer months, then the plants doing well > in those > > lakes/rivers should acclimate to your tropical tank. > > > > If I ever expand my tank collection again, I might > just have to go > > with a Louisiana Swampland biotope.  I wonder how the > alligator and > > water moccasin will handle my weekly tank > maintenance???   Heck... I > > might not have to do tank maintenance... have you ever > smelled a swamp > > in the heat of the summer? > > > > I bet NANFA has a section on collection plants.  BTW, > NANFA is the > > North American Native Fishes Association and they have > active forums > > all about collecting and keeping native fish. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, Len, > > > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants?  Good > > which ones? > > You must have missed the part where I said I know > nothing > > of them. > > That included wild ones too.  As for putting them in > > an aquarium? > > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > > > bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:24 PM > > > How do you think the plant sellers > > > first got their plants?  They didn't > > > clone them in a petri dish.  They went out and > > collected them from the > > > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > it's > > easier/cheaper > > > than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will > like > > your local > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local > lakes > > and > > > streams.  It's a > > > > lot easier to "catch" > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine > them > > first. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too.  > You > > might > > > want to try and > > > > catch some dinner while you're out > "catching" > > plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was > trying > > to > > > make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting > them.  > > I > > > have > > > > no way, save for mail. > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish > around > > here. > > > > Plants?  Hey, Forget about it! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40438	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Now who has been in the sun to long ;-> fertz= fertilizer Regards, Aquaticz At 11:40 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Thanks but what is fertz???(not sure on spelling) > >I think I had that in Nam but got cured. >I still have the "Mad Cow" though! > >Bill > >--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Aquaticz ><<mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>aquaticz@...> wrote: > > > From: Aquaticz <<mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>aquaticz@...> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:47 PM > > Bill when mine grow some more I'd be > > happy to send you some. > > Regards, > > > > Aquaticz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:56 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > > > > > > >For instance this person has a nice low light package > > available (there > > >are lots of other packages that are assorted plants). > > ><<http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auct > ion.cgi?liveplants&1243177802>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802>http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?liveplants&1243177802 > > > > > >Amber > > > > > >Amber Berglund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Check Aquabid, there are a lot of plant sellers > > there and most of them > > > > pay for the shipping of the plants even, so it's > > a better deal to get a > > > > plant package from someone than the LFS even ;) > > LOL. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > bill1433 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was > > trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting > > them. I have no way, save > > > > > for mail. Its hard enough trying to find the > > fish around here. > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The > > Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com><mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > > <<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>GoldLenny@... > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live > > Plants? > > > > > > To: > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do > > well in your > > > > > > water. After all, in the > > > > > > South American Rainforests, many of the > > water ways are very > > > > > > soft water with > > > > > > low to very low pH. Using one of the > > Biotope guides > > > > > > will help you to pick > > > > > > plants that should thrive in your > > water. Of course, > > > > > > you may have to dose > > > > > > with ferts since, in nature, there is > > plenty of stuff for > > > > > > the plants to > > > > > > thrive on since the water is in contact > > with the > > > > > > earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > > > > > > > > <<http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope..htm > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater > > Stream and/or Amazon > > > > > > Stream and the > > > > > > plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > > > See - > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > > > > > > > > <<http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail > > from the Amazon > > > > > > region. You can for > > > > > > instance pick plants from the > > Echinodorus genus, e.g. > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus > > (Dwarf sword plant) > > > > > > and Echinodorus > > > > > > amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > known as Hair > > > > > > grass, is another > > > > > > popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > Myriophyllum are other > > > > > > alternatives, but > > > > > > they need quit a lot of light to do > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with > > Easy-to-grow, low-light > > > > > > plants. There are > > > > > > dozens to choose from and I have lists > > and links on my > > > > > > "Planted Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > <<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed > > > > > > on the right > > > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and > > also under Archives > > > > > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after > > a long absence have > > > > > > a new or old > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite > > heavily on the > > > > > > Internet for just > > > > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish > > are purchased > > > > > > locally but very > > > > > > carefully, because around here there is > > just not that much > > > > > > of a selection > > > > > > and when you find something half > > decent, get your wallet > > > > > > open. Its a > > > > > > sellers market and you pay their price > > or drive along way > > > > > > to get what you > > > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have > > been forced into > > > > > > "playing in the > > > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line > > with a neutral or about > > > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > > > and slight KH. This is done with > > cuttlebone. I had acid > > > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. > > Reflecting on all > > > > > > of this and with > > > > > > these new parameters, I would like to > > take a stab at "live > > > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without > > going crazy. I have > > > > > > a lot of > > > > > > experience with fish. With plants, > > absolutely none, > > > > > > ever! Why I say that > > > > > > is because years ago when I was first > > in the hobby, I used > > > > > > UG filters > > > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these > > filters or water movers > > > > > > are not conducive > > > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or > > suggest? I would be glad > > > > > > for any help or > > > > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, > > and Neons and > > > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without > > some green. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING > > below it when > > > > > > replying, Thank You. > > > > > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, > > DELETE all TEXT that is > > > > > > NOT important to the reply & if > > CHANGING the TOPIC of > > > > > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new > > > > > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > > > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > > > > > , > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP > > in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want all of the groups > > emails, instead of > > > > > > unsubscribing, you can change your > > delivery option by > > > > > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home page. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or e-mail > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > to receive the digest, which includes > > up to 25 posts at a > > > > > > time in a single email > > > > > > > > > > > > Or email > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > for the No E-Mail option where you will > > still be able to > > > > > > read messages on the group and post > > replies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or email > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40439	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Lenny in some places that is considered illegal Regards, Aquaticz

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40440	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants?

had to look that one up imao = "In My Arrogant Opinion" Regards, Aquaticz * At 12:14 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > > > lmao > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, bill1433 > <<mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>warrenprint@...> wrote: > > From: bill1433 <<mailto:warrenprint%40yahoo.com>warrenprint@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 2:37 PM > > Len, > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > Bill > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM > > Then it's time to put your hiking > > boots on... or waders... and hit the local > > lakes and streams. It's a lot easier to "catch" > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might > > want to try and catch > > some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.>http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > On > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have > > no way, save for mail. > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > water. After all, > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > ways are very > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > Biotope guides > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > your water. Of > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > nature, there is > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > water is in > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > <http://fish.>http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > Amazon Stream and > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi>http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > See - > <http://badmanstropi>http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc>http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > (SNIP) > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > Amazon region. You > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > genus, e.g. > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > plant) and > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > known as Hair > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > Myriophyllum are > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > to do well. > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > low-light plants. There > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > on my "Planted > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - > <http://GoldLenny.>http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to > > any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > To: AquaticLife > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > > have > > > a new or old > > > problem. > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the > > > Internet for just > > > about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased > > > locally but very > > > carefully, because around here there is just not that > > much > > > of a selection > > > and when you find something half decent, get your > > wallet > > > open. Its a > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > > way > > > to get what you > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > > into > > > "playing in the > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > > about > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had > > acid > > > water at 5.5 to > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on > > all > > > of this and with > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > > "live > > > plants" for my 20 > > > gallon long. > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I > > have > > > a lot of > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, > > > ever! Why I say that > > > is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > > used > > > UG filters > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > > movers > > > are not conducive > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be > > glad > > > for any help or > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons > > and > > > Cory cats and is not > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > > time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > > read messages on the group and post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40441	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Hmmmmm... I'm not sure what you're replying to but maybe about collecting wild plants? There's nothing below your reply to remind me what is "considered illegal". It can't be the streaking at the drive-in back in the late 70's/80's since I think it was legal back then... and I don't recall us talking about that anyhow. LOL ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aquaticz Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Lenny in some places that is considered illegal Regards, Aquaticz

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40442	From: hank voss	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Len, Len, > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants? Good which ones? > You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing of them. > That included wild ones too. As for putting them in an aquarium? > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > bill > ====================================== Bill Dont bother collecting plants from your local waterways,it will be a waste of time.I think you live in Penn. right? 99% of them will "fall apart" in a short while,since they are not used to the warm water.When I lived in N.J. I used to collect them also.You will have good luck with "Duckweed" though.Now that im in FL. I can get any thing I want thats around and itll survive. Youe best choice is through the mail for your plants. Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40443	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

I've had success in the same environment you describe. However one day it will go sour & then it's pretty much back to square one. At least that was my experience, it took about 2 years to do so. Regards, Aquaticz At 01:28 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Definitely try Aquabid. I've used them a lot in the past and when I get my >new kitchen aquarium set up I'm eyeing up some plants myself on there. > >Keep in mind that even though you've heard plants don't do well in a UG >tank, the plants I have here are doing fantastic in my little 5 gal. despite >my UG filter. Probably because of the detritus that has built up in the >gravel. The substrate is quite deep, probably defeating the purpose of the >UG filter, but oh well. I began two 5 gal tanks when I started a few years >ago. Like you, I'd kept fish but had no experience with plants whatsoever. >I used fluorite and no UG filter in one tank and crushed coral gravel with a >UG filter in the other. I'm sure I did this as an experiment to compare the >two. To my surprise, the UG filter tank grew more vigorous plants! I don't >know if the combination of substrate, tank occupants, or plants themselves >was the cause of my unexpected plant growth in the UG tank , but I'm going >to try to do it again with a 15 gal and one of the 5 gallons as a refugium >for snails, shrimp and other inverts as well as the majority of plants. >True, some like my java fern and java moss did not do so well, but this one >plant is growing like a weed. As a matter of fact, I have birds and give >them romaine lettuce a lot. I've taken the lettuce stalks and kept them in >my overflow filter's reservoir so they stayed hydrated and do you know those >lettuce stalks started growing roots and then leaves? After I saw this, I >put things like rose cuttings, other veggies, and I now have a small palm >tree (very small) stalk growing in the reservoir - and all took root. Every >plant or cutting I seem to put in my filter chamber seems to take root. >Talk about hydroponics! Sadly, because I wasn't getting good results with >the fluorite tank without a UG filter, I took it down and only have had the >one with the UG filter up now for a few years. > >BTW - to anyone who has read my last posts about plants that lived in high >pH, I posted the pics of my weedy plants in the photo section under >"Snert's". There is a pic of the plants I'm talking about and a pic of my >Giraffe Cichlid. If anyone can identify that plant, I'd sure be >appreciative. I'd like more that grow that well perhaps in the same family, >just smaller species if possible. > >(Off the subject: looks like my Cichlid is a cross between the Bumblebee >and the Giraffe cichlid. It has a stripe or two in front and then spots >behind. Is that possible?) > >Good luck Bill, > >Snert > >_____ > >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of bill1433 >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:48 AM >To: AquaticLife >Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > >I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence have >a new or old problem. > >Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for >just about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally but very >carefully, because around here there is just not that much of a selection >and when you find something half decent, get your wallet open. Its a >sellers market >and you pay their price or drive along way to get what you want, even if you >can find it. > >Because of certain pH problems I have been forced into "playing in the >water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or about 6.5 pH and GH >and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had acid water at 5.5 to >5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on all of this and with >these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at "live plants" for my 20 >gallon long. > >My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I have a lot of >experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I say that >is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I used UG filters >exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water movers are not conducive >to good plant growth. > >If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be glad for any help or >advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons and Cory cats and is not >over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > >Bill > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40444	From: bill1433	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Thanks Hank, Yes, I feel the same way. Moreover, lately with the heat wave we are in, I am not that excited about running around in a swamp or lake. I am not that young anymore and 30 years ago this might be considered fun but today, NOT! Also, although, I have no experience what ever with plants, I do have experience with fish and something just tells me its not a good idea to put anything in an aquarium that is not known, tested, checked and re-checked for possible contaminates. And then there is the obvious, temperature. Most plants for aquariums fall into the same requirements as the fish they are being kept with. Anything of a "wild" nature would tend toward a "cold water" system like Goldfish, I would think. Bill --- On Fri, 5/22/09, hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: From: hank voss <aatetras@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 9:03 AM --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: > > > Len, Len, > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants?  Good which ones? > You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing of them. > That included wild ones too.  As for putting them in an aquarium? > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > bill >             ====================================== Bill     Dont bother collecting plants from your local waterways,it will be a waste of time.I think you live in Penn. right? 99% of them will "fall apart" in a short while,since they are not used to the warm water.When I lived in N.J. I used to collect them also.You will have good luck with "Duckweed" though.Now that im in FL. I can get  any thing I want thats around and itll survive. Youe best choice is through the mail for your plants.                                     Hank ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40445	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you ever > get it > set up. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it seems > like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local plants to > survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They didn't > > clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them from the > > wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's easier/cheaper > > than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > water. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > Len, > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and > > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > > for mail. > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > water. After all, > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > ways are very > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > Biotope guides > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > your water. Of > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > nature, there is > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > water is in > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > (SNIP) > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > Amazon region. You > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > genus, e.g. > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > plant) and > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > known as Hair > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > low-light plants. There > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > on my "Planted > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to > > > any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > > side, alphabetically > > > > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:48 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned to the hobby and after a long absence > > > have > > > > a new or old > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Like many on these lists I rely, quite heavily on the Internet for > > > > just about all of my equipment needs. Fish are purchased locally > > > > but very carefully, because around here there is just not that > > > much > > > > of a selection > > > > and when you find something half decent, get your > > > wallet > > > > open. Its a > > > > sellers market and you pay their price or drive along > > > way > > > > to get what you > > > > want, even if you can find it. > > > > > > > > Because of certain pH problems I have been forced > > > into > > > > "playing in the > > > > water" and bring my pH more in line with a neutral or > > > about > > > > 6.5 pH and GH > > > > and slight KH. This is done with cuttlebone. I had > > > acid > > > > water at 5.5 to > > > > 5.8 and no hardness, either GH or KH. Reflecting on > > > all > > > > of this and with > > > > these new parameters, I would like to take a stab at > > > "live > > > > plants" for my 20 > > > > gallon long. > > > > > > > > My problem is how to get some without going crazy. I > > > have > > > > a lot of > > > > experience with fish. With plants, absolutely none, ever! Why I > > > > say that is because years ago when I was first in the hobby, I > > > used > > > > UG filters > > > > exclusively, and as we know, these filters or water > > > movers > > > > are not conducive > > > > to good plant growth. > > > > > > > > If someone would like to help or suggest? I would be > > > glad > > > > for any help or > > > > advise offered. The tank contains Rams, and Neons > > > and > > > > Cory cats and is not > > > > over crowded, but a bit bare without some green. > > > > > > > > Bill > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40446	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like the warmer waters. Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and warm... usually just the opposite. What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, etc., from the local bayous. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you ever > get it set up. ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them > > from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > water. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > Len, > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > Bill > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and > > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > > for mail. > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > water. After all, > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > ways are very > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > Biotope guides > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > your water. Of > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > nature, there is > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > water is in > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > > (SNIP) > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > Amazon region. You > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > genus, e.g. > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > plant) and > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > known as Hair > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > low-light plants. There > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > on my "Planted > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40447	From: harry perry	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Bill

You might want to try this for plants also  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anubiasdesign/ Harry --- On Fri, 5/22/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:52 AM Thanks Hank, Yes, I feel the same way. Moreover, lately with the heat wave we are in, I am not that excited about running around in a swamp or lake. I am not that young anymore and 30 years ago this might be considered fun but today, NOT! Also, although, I have no experience what ever with plants, I do have experience with fish and something just tells me its not a good idea to put anything in an aquarium that is not known, tested, checked and re-checked for possible contaminates. And then there is the obvious, temperature. Most plants for aquariums fall into the same requirements as the fish they are being kept with. Anything of a "wild" nature would tend toward a "cold water" system like Goldfish, I would think. Bill --- On Fri, 5/22/09, hank voss <aatetras@yahoo. com> wrote: From: hank voss <aatetras@yahoo. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 9:03 AM --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 <warrenprint@ ...> wrote: > > > Len, Len, > > Your missing the point here. Collect plants?  Good which ones? > You must have missed the part where I said I know nothing of them. > That included wild ones too.  As for putting them in an aquarium? > Not many un-answered questions my friend. > > bill >             ============ ========= ========= ======== Bill     Dont bother collecting plants from your local waterways,it will be a waste of time.I think you live in Penn. right? 99% of them will "fall apart" in a short while,since they are not used to the warm water.When I lived in N.J. I used to collect them also.You will have good luck with "Duckweed" though.Now that im in FL. I can get  any thing I want thats around and itll survive. Youe best choice is through the mail for your plants.                                     Hank ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40448	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all week. I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them properly ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > start to > grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason they would > grow like crazy during those months is because they like the warmer > waters. > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > streams and > believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and warm... usually > just the > opposite. > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at his > local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have that > problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, etc., > from the local bayous. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > local > weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year (spring/fall/some of > summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 degrees in the summer, > and the > lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree range for us. I think most of the > plants I'd find here would die off quickly in my 76 degree hillstream > loach > tank ;) I'm currently maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in > the 55 gallon, I want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you ever > > get it set up. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected them > > > from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try and > > > > catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, save > > > > for mail. > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > water. After all, > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > ways are very > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > your water. Of > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > nature, there is > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > water is in > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>> > > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > plant) and > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40449	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Angel fish

So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and put my 2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how well they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try to eat their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40450	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while you're out there getting some plants. When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash yet. Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't over-winter very well up there. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all week. I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them properly ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > the warmer waters. > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > warm... usually just the opposite. > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > etc., from the local bayous. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > save for mail. > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > water. After all, > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > ways are very > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > your water. Of > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > nature, there is > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > water is in > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>> > > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > plant) and > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40451	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of the > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > fish > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > have > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're > out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > ready to > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > so no > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them > properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams. > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > water is in > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>> > > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>>> > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>> > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html>>>> > > > > > > See - http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>> > > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html> > > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html > <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope5.html>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>> > > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/amazon.php>>>> > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40452	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while you're out there getting some plants. When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash yet. Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't over-winter very well up there. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all week. I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them properly ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > the warmer waters. > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > warm... usually just the opposite. > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > etc., from the local bayous. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > save for mail. > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > water. After all, > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > ways are very > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > your water. Of > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > nature, there is > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > water is in > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > plant) and > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40453	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even singing it to her hubby. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related or this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while you're out there getting some plants. When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash yet. Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't over-winter very well up there. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all week. I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them properly ;) LOL. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > the warmer waters. > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > warm... usually just the opposite. > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > etc., from the local bayous. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and streams. > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > (Links to any articles > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > save for mail. > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > water. After all, > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > ways are very > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > your water. Of > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > nature, there is > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > water is in > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > plant) and > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > known as Hair > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > low-light plants. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40454	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of the > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > fish > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > have > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're > out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > ready to > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > so no > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them > properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT---------------- > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams. > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>>> > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> com > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > water is in > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>> > > > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm>> > > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm> > > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm > <http://fish. <http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm> mongabay.com/biotope.htm>>>> > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html>>> > > > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html>> > > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html> > > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html > <http://badmanstropi <http://badmanstropicalfish.com/bio-type.html> calfish.com/bio-type.html>>>> > > > > > > See - 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You > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40455	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Bears and snakes don't scare us down here... I'm still waiting for Survivor to come down here to the Luziana Swamps. Although, I think they're scared of our big blood-sucking skeeters... not to mention our bears, snakes and our own version of Big Foot and Sasquatch... the Honey Island Swamp Monster! He even has his own Wikipedia. LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_Island_Swamp_monster And the "Official" website for the movie and museum.. http://www.angelfire.com/la2/SwampMonster/ http://ucmmuseum.com/honeyislandswampmonster.htm http://honeyisland.americanmonsters.com/legend.html They even have Honey Island Swamp Tours for the brave-hearted. Did y'all hear that N'Awlins landed the 2013 Super Bowl? We'll be on the top of the Super Bowl hosting list again!!! Wooo HOOOO. OK... enough of my tourism duties for today! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or > sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. > You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested > plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they > said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm > always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some > time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay > but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket > Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash > yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they > wouldn't over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm > weather all week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I > disinfect them properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > > reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because > > they like the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > > have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, > > our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>> > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com>>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, > > > it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my > > > local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > > > > it's easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40456	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Well I said... yes I do ;) LOL One of my favorites, the 2nd link is cute though, heh. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even singing it > to her hubby. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related> > > or this one... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the > > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > fish > > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > have > > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're > > out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the > > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they > > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > ready to > > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first > > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, > > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > so no > > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or > > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > > over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for > > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > week. > > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can > > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them > > properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > > the warmer waters. > > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams. > > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > > water is in > > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, > which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option > where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40457	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

we have the skunk ape.....lenny --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 8:24 PM Bears and snakes don't scare us down here... I'm still waiting for Survivor to come down here to the Luziana Swamps. Although, I think they're scared of our big blood-sucking skeeters... not to mention our bears, snakes and our own version of Big Foot and Sasquatch... the Honey Island Swamp Monster! He even has his own Wikipedia. LOL http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Honey_Island_ Swamp_monster And the "Official" website for the movie and museum.. http://www.angelfir e.com/la2/ SwampMonster/ http://ucmmuseum. com/honeyislands wampmonster. htm http://honeyisland. americanmonsters .com/legend. html They even have Honey Island Swamp Tours for the brave-hearted. Did y'all hear that N'Awlins landed the 2013 Super Bowl? We'll be on the top of the Super Bowl hosting list again!!! Wooo HOOOO. OK... enough of my tourism duties for today! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or > sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. > You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested > plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they > said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm > always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some > time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay > but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket > Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash > yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they > wouldn't over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm > weather all week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I > disinfect them properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > > reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because > > they like the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > > have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, > > our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, > > > it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my > > > local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > > > > it's easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40458	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

The heck with bears and spiders and snakes. What I saw yesterday was really scary, a Gieannini (probably early 70's) with Alaska plates. http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html Amber, is that you in the picture? The one I saw was painted black above the line you see on the body, and red below. It is like one of those clown cars where they just keep coming out when the door is opened. As you can see from Amber posing with the car, it is a really small car. Amber, you probably could get some oars and row it around the lake. Collecting your plants--it is probably light enough to float. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Well I said... yes I do ;) LOL One of my favorites, the 2nd link is cute though, heh. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even singing it > to her hubby. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related> > > or this one... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the > > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > fish > > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > have > > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're > > out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the > > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they > > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > ready to > > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first > > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, > > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > so no > > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or > > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > > over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for > > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > week. > > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can > > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them > > properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > > the warmer waters. > > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams. > > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > > water is in > > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40459	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

I hope you're not calling me the "skunk ape..... lenny". Although... it might be nicer than some of the things I've been called in my life. LOL I just did a Google and I see there is an actual "skunk ape" down there so I guess you weren't calling me the skunk ape. LOL http://www.floridaskunkape.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Ape In reading the Wiki's on all these monsters, I see many of them started popping up around the 60's and 70's... isn't that the "Age of Aquarius", "fun", drugs, and rock & roll?... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD? Yep, I think that answers all of these monster sightings and UFO's too! LOL Remember kids, just say no! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? we have the skunk ape.....lenny --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 8:24 PM Bears and snakes don't scare us down here... I'm still waiting for Survivor to come down here to the Luziana Swamps. Although, I think they're scared of our big blood-sucking skeeters... not to mention our bears, snakes and our own version of Big Foot and Sasquatch... the Honey Island Swamp Monster! He even has his own Wikipedia. LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_Island_Swamp_monster And the "Official" website for the movie and museum.. http://www.angelfir e.com/la2/ SwampMonster/ http://ucmmuseum. com/honeyislands wampmonster. htm http://honeyisland. americanmonsters .com/legend. html They even have Honey Island Swamp Tours for the brave-hearted. Did y'all hear that N'Awlins landed the 2013 Super Bowl? We'll be on the top of the Super Bowl hosting list again!!! Wooo HOOOO. OK... enough of my tourism duties for today! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or > sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. > You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested > plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they > said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm > always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some > time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay > but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket > Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash > yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they > wouldn't over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm > weather all week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I > disinfect them properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > > reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because > > they like the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > > have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40460	From: Snerticus	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Oh wow. I hope it doesn't go sour. This tank has been up and running for about 3 years now. What upset me was I had my other 5 gal. with the fluorite and plant supplements and water testing etc.. And it was pathetic. The plants did poorly. And I mostly had the same plants in both tanks. The plants I have in my tank now went south in the fluorite tank. The tank I have now I got really lax with and eventually did nothing with, because I wasn't planning on the plants doing well. And it - especially after a year of being fishless - has been overtaken by those plants. I don't have to make both my main 15 gal tank and refugium the same as my existing tank, but I'd like to make one of them that way. I just assumed that the refugium would be best since it was smaller. The main tank doesn't even have to have plants. But it would be nice. I'm so confused now . Snert _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aquaticz Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? I've had success in the same environment you describe. However one day it will go sour & then it's pretty much back to square one. At least that was my experience, it took about 2 years to do so. Regards, Aquaticz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40461	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Isn't that the future Chrysler 500-series luxury sedan... now that Fiat is taking over? I see the header of \\Steve's// link says "Les Fiat 500 Giannini" so even CNN is predicting this... http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0904/gallery.chrysler_fiat_product /2.html from what use to be this... http://stb.msn.com/i/87/F9398B7FAF1F4AB59D633317A924A0.jpg Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? The heck with bears and spiders and snakes. What I saw yesterday was really scary, a Gieannini (probably early 70's) with Alaska plates. http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html Amber, is that you in the picture? The one I saw was painted black above the line you see on the body, and red below. It is like one of those clown cars where they just keep coming out when the door is opened. As you can see from Amber posing with the car, it is a really small car. Amber, you probably could get some oars and row it around the lake. Collecting your plants--it is probably light enough to float. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Well I said... yes I do ;) LOL One of my favorites, the 2nd link is cute though, heh. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even singing it > to her hubby. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related> > > or this one... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related> > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of biG poppa > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:37 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the > > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > fish > > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > have > > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're > > out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from the > > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said they > > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > ready to > > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At first > > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked around, > > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > so no > > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... or > > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > > over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for > > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > week. > > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I can > > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect them > > properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The reason > > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > > the warmer waters. > > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't have > > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. > > com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, our > > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, it > > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my local > > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if it's > > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put your > > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > streams. > > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > > water is in > > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40462	From: harry perry	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Swamp Monster???

"chimpanzees escaped, and interbred with the local alligator population" Sounds like an alcohol related tale. A mammal breeding with a reptile?. What a visual. A chimpanzee giving birth to an alligator. Or a chimp hatching out of an alligator egg. Folks don't really pay to go into this museum do they? Harry --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 8:24 PM Bears and snakes don't scare us down here... I'm still waiting for Survivor to come down here to the Luziana Swamps. Although, I think they're scared of our big blood-sucking skeeters... not to mention our bears, snakes and our own version of Big Foot and Sasquatch... the Honey Island Swamp Monster! He even has his own Wikipedia. LOL http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Honey_Island_ Swamp_monster And the "Official" website for the movie and museum.. http://www.angelfir e.com/la2/ SwampMonster/ http://ucmmuseum. com/honeyislands wampmonster. htm http://honeyisland. americanmonsters .com/legend. html They even have Honey Island Swamp Tours for the brave-hearted. Did y'all hear that N'Awlins landed the 2013 Super Bowl? We'll be on the top of the Super Bowl hosting list again!!! Wooo HOOOO. OK... enough of my tourism duties for today! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or > sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. > You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested > plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they > said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm > always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some > time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay > but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket > Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash > yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they > wouldn't over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm > weather all week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I > disinfect them properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > > reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because > > they like the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > > have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, > > our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, > > > it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my > > > local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > > > > it's easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40463	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Great idea Steve, now, big question here... Does it float? ;) LOL Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > The heck with bears and spiders and snakes. What I saw yesterday was > really scary, a Gieannini (probably early 70's) with Alaska plates. > > http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html > <http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html> > > Amber, is that you in the picture? > > The one I saw was painted black above the line you see on the body, and > red below. It is like one of those clown cars where they just keep > coming out when the door is opened. As you can see from Amber posing > with the car, it is a really small car. > > Amber, you probably could get some oars and row it around the lake. > Collecting your plants--it is probably light enough to float. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > Well I said... yes I do ;) LOL > One of my favorites, the 2nd link is cute though, heh. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even > singing it > > to her hubby. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related>> > > > > or this one... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related>> > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of biG poppa > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:37 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol > > > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:46 PM > > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > > the > > > > ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or sick > > > fish > > > > in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. You'll probably > > > have > > > > less of a chance of snails on wild harvested plants too. > > > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > > you're > > > > out there getting some plants. > > > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > > > > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > > > > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the > > > > owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they said > they > > > > had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm always > > ready to > > > > cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some time to kill. At > first > > > > I thought it would be worth something on eBay but after I looked > around, > > > > there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket Fisherman for around $20.00 > > > so no > > > > million dollar piece of attic trash yet. > > > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or > > > > on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they wouldn't > > > > over-winter very well up there. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. > com] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > > time for > > > > me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm weather all > > week. > > > > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can > > > > find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I disinfect > them > > > > properly ;) LOL. > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > > > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > reason > > > > > they would grow like crazy during those months is because they like > > > > > the warmer waters. > > > > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > > > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > > > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > > > > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > > > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > have > > > > > that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > > > > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > > > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> (Links to any articles referenced > in > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > Labels > > > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > Berglund > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife > %40yahoogroups. > > > com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, > our > > > > > local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > > > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > > > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > > > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > > > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > > > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > > > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > > Berglund > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, > it > > > > > > seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my > local > > > > > > plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > it's > > > > > > > easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > > > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > > > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WITH ALL DUE RESPECT----- --------- -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay out of that sun a bit more will ya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > com > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:33 PM Then it's time to put > your > > > > > > > > hiking boots on... or waders... and hit the local lakes and > > streams. > > > > > > > > It's a lot easier to "catch" > > > > > > > > plants, than fish. ;-) > > > > > > > > Just remember to sanitize and quarantine them first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... bring your fishing pole too. You might want to try > > > > > > > > and catch some dinner while you're out "catching" plants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > > > > (Links to any articles > > > > > > > > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, > > > > > > > > alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > > > > > > > > Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of bill1433 > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:28 AM > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, old buddy, you missed the point I was trying to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not the plants per say, its getting them. I have no way, > > > > > > > > save for mail. > > > > > > > > Its hard enough trying to find the fish around here. > > > > > > > > Plants? Hey, Forget about it! (The Soprano's) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. > > > > > > com > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <mailto:GoldLenny% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:09 AM Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are LOTS of plants that will do well in your > > > > > > > > water. After all, > > > > > > > > > in the South American Rainforests, many of the water > > > > > > > > ways are very > > > > > > > > > soft water with low to very low pH. Using one of the > > > > > > > > Biotope guides > > > > > > > > > will help you to pick plants that should thrive in > > > > > > > > your water. Of > > > > > > > > > course, you may have to dose with ferts since, in > > > > > > > > nature, there is > > > > > > > > > plenty of stuff for the plants to thrive on since the > > > > > > > > water is in > > > > > > > > > contact with the earth/ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>> > > > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm> > > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm > > > > > <http://fish. mongabay. com/biotope. htm>>> > > > > > > > > > Check out South American Clearwater Stream and/or > > > > > > > > Amazon Stream and > > > > > > > > > the plants they suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html> > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ bio-type. html>>> > > > > > > > > > See - http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 > .html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>> > > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html> > > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html > > > > > <http://badmanstropi calfish.com/ biotope/biotope5 .html>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>> > > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php> > > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php > > > > > <http://www.aquaticc ommunity. com/aquarium/ amazon.php>>> > > > > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > > > > Amazon biotope plants > > > > > > > > > A lot of commonly available plants hail from the > > > > > > > > Amazon region. You > > > > > > > > > can for instance pick plants from the Echinodorus > > > > > > > > genus, e.g. > > > > > > > > > Echinodorus paniculatu > > > > > > > > > (Amazon sword), Echinodorus tenellus (Dwarf sword > > > > > > > > plant) and > > > > > > > > > Echinodorus amazonicus. Eleocharis acicularis, also > > > > > > > > known as Hair > > > > > > > > > grass, is another popular Amazon species. Cabomba and > > > > > > > > Myriophyllum are > > > > > > > > > other alternatives, but they need quit a lot of light > > > > > > > > to do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do like I do... only go with Easy-to-grow, > > > > > > > > low-light plants. There > > > > > > > > > are dozens to choose from and I have lists and links > > > > > > > > on my "Planted > > > > > > > > > Tank" blog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > > > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com>> > > > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. > com> > > > > > <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>>> > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40464	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?

Is that like asking how long it can tread water? DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber Berglund" <amber@...> > Great idea Steve, now, big question here... Does it float? ;) LOL > > Amber > > Steve Szabo wrote: >> >> The heck with bears and spiders and snakes. What I saw yesterday was >> really scary, a Gieannini (probably early 70's) with Alaska plates. >> >> http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html >> <http://giannini.free.fr/sitegiannini/Page_3a.html> >> >> Amber, is that you in the picture? >> >> The one I saw was painted black above the line you see on the body, and >> red below. It is like one of those clown cars where they just keep >> coming out when the door is opened. As you can see from Amber posing >> with the car, it is a really small car. >> >> Amber, you probably could get some oars and row it around the lake. >> Collecting your plants--it is probably light enough to float. >> >> \\Steve// >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amber Berglund >> Well I said... yes I do ;) LOL >> One of my favorites, the 2nd link is cute though, heh. >> >> Amber >> >> Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: >> > >> > And now Amber is humming this song in her head... or maybe even >> singing it >> > to her hubby. >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23LOX7gjzg&feature=related >> > or this one... >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYdD9DdLNY&feature=related >> > >> > Lenny Vasbinder >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: biG poppa >> > we have snakes all kinds of snakes..even the ones that eat gators..lol >> >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40465	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Live Plants?/Swamp Monster???

LOL... the admission is only $3.00. It's more of a novelty museum from what I saw on the website... kind of like the Alligator Farms, etc., that still line the "scenic routes" of many heavily traveled tourist roads. It's located in Abita Springs, LA, which is an out of the way place most famous locally for Abita Springs Water, Abita Beer http://www.abita.com/ and the many specialty blends of beer that they make like "Purple Haze", "Turbodog" and "Strawberry Harvest", etc. (there's your alcohol related... lol). At one time, as a kid, it was a stop on the way to Money Hill Campground, a place that my family spent many of long weekends on camping trips. Of course, the museum came about a long time after Money Hill closed down and became an upscale gated community called "Money Hill Estates", but the constantly running free spring water taps in the center of town probably still have their share of tourists stop by to fill up their containers. I know we would always fill up a bunch of jugs when we were on our way to Money Hill and back home after the weekend of wilderness camping. You gotta remember Harry, down here in N'Awlins, folks even pay to go into strip clubs on Bourbon Street... "where boys will be girls", http://www.flickr.com/photos/tommybear/55504013/ so I'm sure they'd pay to see an alligator-chimpanzee hybrid and the foot-print of the Honey Island Swamp Monster. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of harry perry Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants?/Swamp Monster??? "chimpanzees escaped, and interbred with the local alligator population" Sounds like an alcohol related tale. A mammal breeding with a reptile?. What a visual. A chimpanzee giving birth to an alligator. Or a chimp hatching out of an alligator egg. Folks don't really pay to go into this museum do they? Harry --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 8:24 PM He even has his own Wikipedia. LOL http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Honey_Island_ Swamp_monster And the "Official" website for the movie and museum.. http://www.angelfir e.com/la2/ SwampMonster/ http://ucmmuseum. com/honeyislands wampmonster. htm http://honeyisland. americanmonsters .com/legend. html They even have Honey Island Swamp Tours for the brave-hearted. Did y'all hear that N'Awlins landed the 2013 Super Bowl? We'll be on the top of the Super Bowl hosting list again!!! Wooo HOOOO. OK... enough of my tourism duties for today! Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? Hah, here in NJ we have both the black bears AND the snakes. _____ From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? No snakes, about all I'd have to watch for are mother black bear and cubs. Thankfully they tend to keep their distance most of the time ;) I always told my grandma she should have lived up here, she's terrified of snakes and lives in the Desert, LOL. And if I brought home fish for dinner I think the hubby might disown me ;) LOL He hates fish, but he loves fishing, how's that for a contradiction? Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Remember the ones you find in the wild are probably safer than most of > the ones you can buy from retailers... unless you see lots of dead or > sick fish in the waterway you are contemplating collecting from. > You'll probably have less of a chance of snails on wild harvested > plants too. > > Don't forget to bring your fishing pole and catch dinner too... while > you're out there getting some plants. > > When my company was gutting homes after Katrina, I came across a Ron > Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, still in the box and plastic and relatively > unblemished. It was in the attic of a home. I offered to buy it from > the owner since it wasn't damaged but they gave it to me since they > said they had no use for it. I carry it around in my truck now so I'm > always ready to cast a line if I'm out in the boonies and have some > time to kill. At first I thought it would be worth something on eBay > but after I looked around, there were a bunch of folks selling Pocket > Fisherman for around $20.00 so no million dollar piece of attic trash > yet. > > Oh yeah... watch out for snakes. Do they even have snakes in Alaska... > or on your island? I know they're cold-blooded so I suspect they > wouldn't over-winter very well up there. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> > blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > I don't even know what kind of selection I have here, but now's the > time for me to go looking as we're having nice sunny and semi-warm > weather all week. > I think I'll take a trip up to the lake at some point and see what I > can find. Don't worry I'll check our your blog to make sure I > disinfect them properly ;) LOL. > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Plants can acclimate just like fish. Especially plants that really > > start to grow like crazy in the warmest months of the year. The > > reason they would grow like crazy during those months is because > > they like the warmer waters. > > Many of the plants found in "tropical" waters come from flowing > > streams and believe me, flowing streams are not always nice and > > warm... usually just the opposite. > > > > What started all of this was Bill's difficulty in finding plants at > > his local store.. and I think you have a similar problem. I don't > > have that problem but if I did, I'd have to try local aquatic plants. > > > > Many ponder's down here go and get water hyacinth, cattails, lilys, > > etc., from the local bayous. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > Berglund > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:44 AM > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > I don't think that would even be cold enough for my local plants, > > our local weather usually ranges between 30-60 most of the year > > (spring/fall/ some of summer), the highest temp we might see is 80 > > degrees in the summer, and the lowest is usually in the 10-15 degree > > range for us. I think most of the plants I'd find here would die off > > quickly in my 76 degree hillstream loach tank ;) I'm currently > > maturing the tank before I put any of my loaches in the 55 gallon, I > > want it to have a good algae colony for them ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > But they might work in your cold-water hillstream tank... if you > > > ever get it set up. ;-) > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > > > > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> > <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com> blogspot.com> >> > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under > > > Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife @ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Amber > > > Berglund > > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:33 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Live Plants? > > > > > > What if my local streams/lakes are much colder water year round, > > > it seems like my tropical fish tank would be way too warm for my > > > local plants to survive in... Just my thoughts ;) LOL > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you think the plant sellers first got their plants? They > > > > didn't clone them in a petri dish. They went out and collected > > > > them from the wild... and probably still do in many cases, if > > > > it's easier/cheaper than growing them... just like the fish. > > > > > > > > At least you know your local aquatic plants will like your local > > > > water. ;-) > > > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40466	From: joesbirds@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Hum

_Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ (http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html) Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. Joey **************A strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&b cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40467	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

I did it! I signed the thing! HSUS certainly should not be tax exempt. I may feel that it should not be around at all, but even if I thought they should be around, I would still believe that they should not be tax exempt. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, <joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Humane > Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > (http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html) > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > Joey > **************A strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2 > Easy Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&b > cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40468	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Expose on HSUS

The Atlanta (GA) ABC affiliate did a report on HSUS and some of its practices. It was, for a short while, available both on the TV station's web site and YouTube. It is no longer available on the web site, and has been pulled from YouTube for "copyright violations" although there is still plenty of material from WBS-TV on YouTube. It has appeared on a number of other web sites, many of which have been given a DMCA notice to pull the video. Many e-mails have been sent to the station, and I have yet to hear of a decent reply from them other than PR obfuscation. (Visit or join the PETLAW group here on Yahoo! to see some.) It has been suggested the HSUS itself is behind the pulling of the video of this report, but I have not seen any actual evidence to support this. The only evidence that the report existed on the WBS site is a "correction" that was issued, apparently at the behest of HSUS. If you would be interested in viewing the video, contact me off list for the link. If this link does disappear, I'll look for another. Any requests sent for the link that appear on the list will be ignored. \\Steve// An aquarium is just interactive television for cats.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40469	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

THIS WARNING ADDED AFTER I TYPED MY REPLY - As I wrote this reply, I was also doing a little online homework concerning this petition and it may be a FRAUD. Read this reply and see the last couple of paragraphs above my signature. -------- I signed it too. Although I may not agree with what they say or do, I'll fight to the death for their right to say it (OK.. maybe not to the death but at least a hangnail or splinter... lol) (regards to http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8103) As a political blogger and the editor of the unofficial newsletter for a Condo Association which I have an interest in, I DO NOT ever want anyone to infringe on my freedom of speech, so I try to never infringe on other's freedom of speech... and the Courts have held that lobbying is a form of freedom of speech... where you're paying someone else to do the speaking on your behalf. What HSUS should do, is provide full disclosure and quit imitating legitimate animal shelters like the ASPCA, local humane societies, etc.... maybe even making them change their name or add a disclaimer under their name... something like (*HSUS is a political lobbying group, not affiliated with any local humane societies or animal shelters). There would still be victims or willing persons contributing to the HSUS if they agree with the politics of the HSUS but it should NOT be a tax exempt organization. On a side note.. while I did sign this online petition, these things do not carry much weight. Unless a group starts up a CAPWIZ or other program so that signers can also fax or email their own legislators with a copy of the petition, each time it is signed, it will not have much success unless the organizers of the online petition actually have some political savvy under their belt. Oh yeah... I just checked and the online petition is up to 2,442 signatures but guess who's Google Ad showed up at the top of the page... HSUS.org. How ironic! LOL Also, I checked to see who organized this petition drive... http://gamefowlfacts.org/ which is just a shell website with NOTHING on it except for the list of links put there by a hosting website when a website is up for sale or something like that. They even have a statement at the bottom of the website that says, "This domain may be for sale. Buy this Domain". It seems we may be wasting our time signing this petition as it could just be a spammer gathering email addresses. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:06 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Humane Socie I did it! I signed the thing! HSUS certainly should not be tax exempt. I may feel that it should not be around at all, but even if I thought they should be around, I would still believe that they should not be tax exempt. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, <joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The > Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > (http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html) > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40470	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to Th

ditto Regards, Aquaticz...whom the HSUS used to call to pick up rescues (turtles). Then one day they wanted to see a licence - one of theirs. I spoke to the captain & was told if I had a lic. they would come around and check / confiscate if they liked. If no lib they would come around & confiscate. I told him to take a hike & never call me again (politely). He understood & just smiled Regards, Aquaticz At 06:06 AM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >I did it! I signed the thing! HSUS certainly should not be tax >exempt. I may feel that it should not be around at all, but even if I >thought they should be around, I would still believe that they should >not be tax exempt. > >On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, ><<mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com>joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Humane > > Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > > > (<http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html) > > > > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > > > Joey > > **************A strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2 > > Easy Steps! > > > (<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&b>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&b > > cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40471	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

glad my software self updates then...lol works well :-) Regards, Aquaticz At 11:00 AM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >THIS WARNING ADDED AFTER I TYPED MY REPLY - As I wrote this reply, I was >also doing a little online homework concerning this petition and it may be a >FRAUD. Read this reply and see the last couple of paragraphs above my >signature. > >-------- > >I signed it too. Although I may not agree with what they say or do, I'll >fight to the death for their right to say it (OK.. maybe not to the death >but at least a hangnail or splinter... lol) (regards to ><http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8103>http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8103) > >As a political blogger and the editor of the unofficial newsletter for a >Condo Association which I have an interest in, I DO NOT ever want anyone to >infringe on my freedom of speech, so I try to never infringe on other's >freedom of speech... and the Courts have held that lobbying is a form of >freedom of speech... where you're paying someone else to do the speaking on >your behalf. > >What HSUS should do, is provide full disclosure and quit imitating >legitimate animal shelters like the ASPCA, local humane societies, etc.... >maybe even making them change their name or add a disclaimer under their >name... something like (*HSUS is a political lobbying group, not affiliated >with any local humane societies or animal shelters). There would still be >victims or willing persons contributing to the HSUS if they agree with the >politics of the HSUS but it should NOT be a tax exempt organization. > >On a side note.. while I did sign this online petition, these things do not >carry much weight. Unless a group starts up a CAPWIZ or other program so >that signers can also fax or email their own legislators with a copy of the >petition, each time it is signed, it will not have much success unless the >organizers of the online petition actually have some political savvy under >their belt. > >Oh yeah... I just checked and the online petition is up to 2,442 signatures >but guess who's Google Ad showed up at the top of the page... HSUS.org. How >ironic! LOL Also, I checked to see who organized this petition drive... ><http://gamefowlfacts.org/>http://gamefowlfacts.org/ >which is just a shell website with NOTHING on it >except for the list of links put there by a hosting website when a website >is up for sale or something like that. They even have a statement at the >bottom of the website that says, "This domain may be for sale. Buy this >Domain". > >It seems we may be wasting our time signing this petition as it could just >be a spammer gathering email addresses. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Harl Myers >Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:06 AM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently >Extended to The Humane Socie > >I did it! I signed the thing! HSUS certainly should not be tax exempt. I >may feel that it should not be around at all, but even if I thought they >should be around, I would still believe that they should not be tax exempt. > >On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, ><<mailto:joesbirds%40aol.com>joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The > > Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > > > (<http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html) > > > > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > > > Joey > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40472	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

I'm not sure if anyone replied yet but here's a good article on breeding angelfish http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/breeding/angelfishbreeding.html which includes the below paragraph... but read the entire article for more info and questions. "... Removing the eggs or leaving them to allow the parents to raise them is at your personal discretion. Angels are mostly quite far from their natural habitats, and often will be poor parents, eating the first few spawns. Many pairs will pick up the parenting trait after a few attempts, and allowing them to raise the fry is easier than artificially rearing them on your own. If the parents are good, they will take care of keeping the eggs clean and move the fry around as needed...." -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and put my 2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how well they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try to eat their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40473	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Here's another article I had in my favorites. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and put my 2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how well they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try to eat their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40474	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

It's not a fraud, it's just ineffective. PetitionsOnline.com is a site where anyone can write a petition about anything and present it for anyone to sign. More info on online petitions at http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp ~Kai --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > THIS WARNING ADDED AFTER I TYPED MY REPLY - As I wrote this reply, I was > also doing a little online homework concerning this petition and it may be a > FRAUD. Read this reply and see the last couple of paragraphs above my > signature. > > -------- > > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, <joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The > > Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > > (http://www.petitiononline.com/ THE REST REMOVED) > > > > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > > > Joey >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40475	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

Well, the reason I said it (this particular petition) "may be a FRAUD" is that the so-called organization that is sponsoring the online petition is a bogus website. Read my entire post where I detail this information. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuradi Eit Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The Humane Soci It's not a fraud, it's just ineffective. PetitionsOnline.com is a site where anyone can write a petition about anything and present it for anyone to sign. More info on online petitions at http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp ~Kai --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > THIS WARNING ADDED AFTER I TYPED MY REPLY - As I wrote this reply, I > was also doing a little online homework concerning this petition and > it may be a FRAUD. Read this reply and see the last couple of > paragraphs above my signature. > > -------- > > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 AM, <joesbirds@...> wrote: > > > > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The > > Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > > (http://www.petitiononline.com/ THE REST REMOVED) > > > > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > > > Joey

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40476	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

This one did not work for me Regards, Aquaticz At 02:32 PM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >Here's another article I had in my favorites. > ><http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht>http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips..ht >ml > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish > >So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and put my >2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon >after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how well >they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try to eat >their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) > >Amber > >------------------------------------ > >Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > >If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you >can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the >home page. > >Or e-mail ><mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups..com >to receive the digest, which >includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > >Or email ><mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups..com >for the No E-Mail option where >you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > >Or email ><mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com>aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups..com >to receive individual >e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40477	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

It's Yahoo Groups and how they break long links. You just gotta learn to cut and paste them back together in your browsers address bar. I fixed it below. If it breaks again, it starts with http: and ends with .html http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht ml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aquaticz Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angel fish This one did not work for me Regards, Aquaticz At 02:32 PM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >Here's another article I had in my favorites. > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht ml > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - ><http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund >Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish > >So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and >put my >2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon >after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how >well they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try >to eat their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) > >Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40478	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Thanks Lenny I checked out both links, I think I'm going to give my Angel's a chance at being parents on their own ;) I need to work out how I'm going to feed the babies properly though since my LFS has terrible selection for foods. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > It's Yahoo Groups and how they break long links. You just gotta learn to > cut and paste them back together in your browsers address bar. I fixed it > below. If it breaks again, it starts with http: and ends with .html > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht > <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht> > ml > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Aquaticz > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angel fish > > This one did not work for me > Regards, > Aquaticz > > At 02:32 PM 5/23/2009, you wrote: > > >Here's another article I had in my favorites. > > > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht > <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Shaw_Angelfish_Breeding_tips.ht> > ml > > > > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - > ><http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: > ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > >Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM > >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish > > > >So when I set up my 55 gallon and put a cycled filter on the tank and > >put my > >2 Angel's in there, should I plan on moving them back to the 125 gallon > >after they lay eggs or should I let them do their own thing and see how > >well they take to parenthood without any other fish in the tank to try > >to eat their babies? ;) So far they're really good at cannibalism ;) > > > >Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40479	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Check out Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The

Oh, I see what you mean now. Yes, you are right. I think that is a phishing scheme to collect email addresses for spamming and other purposes. That particular petition seems to be unscrupulous. Most others on that site are simply ineffective (and not malicious.) ~Kai Support your local shelter. > "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" wrote: > > Well, the reason I said it (this particular petition) "may be a FRAUD" is > that the so-called organization that is sponsoring the online petition is a > bogus website. Read my entire post where I detail this information. > > > > > > > > > > _Click here: Cancel the Tax-exempt Status Currently Extended to The > > > Humane Society of the Untied States (HSUS) Petition_ > > > (http://www.petitiononline.com/ THE REST REMOVED) > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to share a link that you may want to participate in. > > > > > > Joey >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40480	From: cat.rose	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?

I have a 10 gallon freshwater aquarium, with 3 Guppies, 2 GloFish and 2 Platies. I also have 6 live plants. Apparently there was a snail or two on the first plant I purchased (they're very tiny). Well now there are at least 20 or so of the little guys scattered all over the tank. They do eat the plants a bit, but so far it isn't anything devastating. I know it's good to have some snails, but when do I know if there are too many? [:-?] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40481	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?

Most rapidly breeding snails (often called pond snails or nuisance snails) are opportunistic breeders and will only over-breed if there is an abundant food source. My blog article about "Planted Tank" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. html has some sections on sanitizing plants for future purposes. Here's a page from AppleSnail.net about eradicating nuisance snails that you already have. http://www.applesnail.net/content/various/eradication.htm And another article. http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/snails.htm DO NOT USE any kind of snail killing chemical in your tank and your tank is not big enough for any of the commonly available snail eating fish species. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cat.rose Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank? I have a 10 gallon freshwater aquarium, with 3 Guppies, 2 GloFish and 2 Platies. I also have 6 live plants. Apparently there was a snail or two on the first plant I purchased (they're very tiny). Well now there are at least 20 or so of the little guys scattered all over the tank. They do eat the plants a bit, but so far it isn't anything devastating. I know it's good to have some snails, but when do I know if there are too many? [:-?]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40482	From: Debra	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?

When you go out and buy a puffer to eat them! : ) Deb Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "cat.rose" <catrestivo@...> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:23:27 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank? I have a 10 gallon freshwater aquarium, with 3 Guppies, 2 GloFish and 2 Platies. I also have 6 live plants. Apparently there was a snail or two on the first plant I purchased (they're very tiny). Well now there are at least 20 or so of the little guys scattered all over the tank. They do eat the plants a bit, but so far it isn't anything devastating. I know it's good to have some snails, but when do I know if there are too many? [:-?] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40483	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank?

For some people, one snail is too many. It appears that you do not fall into this group, however. My guideline would be the damage you are seeing to your plants, though snails will avail themselves of other food found in the tank. Since you are noticing damage to your plants, you would have too many snails, and should start removing them. As Lenny mentioned, you likely have a common snail known as pond snail. They do not grow very large, and they will breed like crazy. If you do want to maintain snails in your tank, you may wish to eradicate the current population, and look at ramshorn or mystery snails for your tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cat.rose Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How do I know if there are too many snails in my tank? I have a 10 gallon freshwater aquarium, with 3 Guppies, 2 GloFish and 2 Platies. I also have 6 live plants. Apparently there was a snail or two on the first plant I purchased (they're very tiny). Well now there are at least 20 or so of the little guys scattered all over the tank. They do eat the plants a bit, but so far it isn't anything devastating. I know it's good to have some snails, but when do I know if there are too many? [:-?]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40484	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: More Jokes and Cartoons added to my blog's "Fish Jokes & Cartoons" p

http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2009/02/fish-jokes-some-may-be-pg-or-r-rated.h tml Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40485	From: Rodrigues Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Angel fish

I'd like to add my 2cents in on this. Afew years back Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod, whose the founder and chairman of yearBOOKS, INC. put out a quaterly on Cichlids, specifically on breeding and raising Angel fish that's chocked full of information on these majestic fish. If you can get a hold of a copy, do so. It covers myths to filteration and even touches on the subject of leaving the eggs in or not. The discussion was that through the years of selective breeding for strains, fins, shape and what not many breeders have turned back to capture of wild specimens to raise a brood. It seems that the fish has lost at least some of it's ability to parent. Not all mind you but it has been significant enough for them to do this. I've raiseda lot of Angel fish during my years and have found that it was more sucessful for me to remove the eggs after the act than to leave them in with the parents. I've had a few that was excellent parents but a whole lot more that wasn't. That is why I had a few 29 gallon tanks for my breeders and a few others to raise my brood in. I also was fortunate enough to have a ready supply of newly hatched brine shrimp because that was my main line to supply local pet shops here with the stuff. I don't claim to be a highly regarded expert on this fish but, it was my main fish to breed at the time. The ways that is dicussed in this quaterly are so close to my own way of doing it that I have to agree with what the steps in the booklet is and closely shadow my own. I'm one of those guys who'll stare at a Angel fish tank at the pet store that has 50 to a 100 fish in it and will pick out maybe a half dozen or less because I'm not happy with the way something looks on a fish. I see on line a lot of sites offering tips and strategies on the subject but will stick to my own tried and true methods anyway. Believe or not I don't have a single Angel in any of my tanks just because I haven't seen anything I want to take home with me. I'll be the first to say that I do have a passion for the fish and most of my Aquariums are really setup to do a quick conversion over to my favorite fish. Even my plant selection is based on Angelfish. If I was you and you want to breed the fish, I would remove the eggs after spawning mostly because the parents will more than likely not change their habits and it will be a rewarding experience for any fish keeper to have actually been able to say "yeah I raised my Angels". This fish has and will always be a favorite for any level of fish keeping. There I said my piece to the subject.  Thank You Gilbert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40486	From: pkr772	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers

Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40487	From: harry perry	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus

Read this http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.9903/msg00489.html Your gold fish will see live plants as a salad. Their excessive waste is a good fertilizer for the plants. Most plants with color need high light. 3 Watts per gallon or more. Putting your lights on a timer works well. 12 hours per day is good. For the turtle I would feed lettuce. Harry --- On Sun, 5/24/09, pkr772 <tkr772@...> wrote: From: pkr772 <tkr772@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:14 PM Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40488	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Gilbert, I am not familiar with the series of books you speak of. There is a Cichlid Yearbook, which is edited by Ad Konings and published by Cichlid Press, but I don't know if it has covered angels since it started in the early '90's. Keep in mind that I have not played with angels for 30 or more years, but, as I recall, the wild angel fish also had the same problems with broods as noted with the domestic angels, though it did not seem to happen as often. I did a search online and only found one reference of the parenting of wild angel fish from an unknown source, and it was contrary to my memory. As they say, your mileage may vary. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigues Gilbert Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish I'd like to add my 2cents in on this. Afew years back Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod, whose the founder and chairman of yearBOOKS, INC. put out a quaterly on Cichlids, specifically on breeding and raising Angel fish that's chocked full of information on these majestic fish. If you can get a hold of a copy, do so. It covers myths to filteration and even touches on the subject of leaving the eggs in or not. The discussion was that through the years of selective breeding for strains, fins, shape and what not many breeders have turned back to capture of wild specimens to raise a brood. It seems that the fish has lost at least some of it's ability to parent. Not all mind you but it has been significant enough for them to do this. I've raiseda lot of Angel fish during my years and have found that it was more sucessful for me to remove the eggs after the act than to leave them in with the parents. I've had a few that was excellent parents but a whole lot more that wasn't. That is why I had a few 29 gallon tanks for my breeders and a few others to raise my brood in. I also was fortunate enough to have a ready supply of newly hatched brine shrimp because that was my main line to supply local pet shops here with the stuff. I don't claim to be a highly regarded expert on this fish but, it was my main fish to breed at the time. The ways that is dicussed in this quaterly are so close to my own way of doing it that I have to agree with what the steps in the booklet is and closely shadow my own. I'm one of those guys who'll stare at a Angel fish tank at the pet store that has 50 to a 100 fish in it and will pick out maybe a half dozen or less because I'm not happy with the way something looks on a fish. I see on line a lot of sites offering tips and strategies on the subject but will stick to my own tried and true methods anyway. Believe or not I don't have a single Angel in any of my tanks just because I haven't seen anything I want to take home with me. I'll be the first to say that I do have a passion for the fish and most of my Aquariums are really setup to do a quick conversion over to my favorite fish. Even my plant selection is based on Angelfish. If I was you and you want to breed the fish, I would remove the eggs after spawning mostly because the parents will more than likely not change their habits and it will be a rewarding experience for any fish keeper to have actually been able to say "yeah I raised my Angels". This fish has and will always be a favorite for any level of fish keeping. There I said my piece to the subject.  Thank You Gilbert

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40489	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus

Lettuce, especially iceberg is not a good food choice fro turtles. I have been raising them for 20 years. Regards, Aquaticz At 05:27 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: >Read this ><http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.9903/msg00489.html>http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.9903/msg00489.html > >Your gold fish will see live plants as a salad. >Their excessive waste is a good fertilizer for >the plants. Most plants with color need high light. 3 Watts per gallon or more. > >Putting your lights on a timer works well. 12 hours per day is good. > >For the turtle I would feed lettuce. > >Harry > >--- On Sun, 5/24/09, pkr772 ><<mailto:tkr772%40peoplepc.com>tkr772@...> wrote: > >From: pkr772 <<mailto:tkr772%40peoplepc.com>tkr772@...> >Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:14 PM > >Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone >could give me some advice on what type of plants >to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I >already have a water wisteria which seems to be >doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for >friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased >a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting >to show leaves, but haven't really grown. >Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > >I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to >put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40490	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers

A turtle eh? Try azolla, duckweed & there is their all time favorite is water lettuce. I grow all outside in containers and have been growing stuff for them for over 20 years. Suggestion: get that RES is a pond ASAP unless you want to keep buying equipment & devising bigger & better basking sites. I know, I have been down that road Regards, Aquaticz At 08:14 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone >could give me some advice on what type of plants >to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I >already have a water wisteria which seems to be >doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for >friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased >a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting >to show leaves, but haven't really grown. >Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? >I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to >put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40491	From: harry perry	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus/Aquaticz

Why?. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> wrote: From: Aquaticz <aquaticz@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:27 AM Lettuce, especially iceberg is not a good food choice fro turtles. I have been raising them for 20 years. Regards, Aquaticz At 05:27 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: >Read this ><http://fins. actwin.com/ aquatic-plants/ month.9903/ msg00489. html>http://fins. actwin.com/ aquatic-plants/ month.9903/ msg00489. html > >Your gold fish will see live plants as a salad. >Their excessive waste is a good fertilizer for >the plants. Most plants with color need high light. 3 Watts per gallon or more. > >Putting your lights on a timer works well. 12 hours per day is good. > >For the turtle I would feed lettuce. > >Harry > >--- On Sun, 5/24/09, pkr772 ><<mailto:tkr772% 40peoplepc. com>tkr772@peoplepc. com> wrote: > >From: pkr772 <<mailto:tkr772% 40peoplepc. com>tkr772@peoplepc. com> >Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers >To: <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:14 PM > >Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone >could give me some advice on what type of plants >to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I >already have a water wisteria which seems to be >doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for >friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased >a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting >to show leaves, but haven't really grown. >Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > >I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to >put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40492	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus

Whenever feeding lettuce to any animal, I would always recommend Romaine lettuce (but not Iceberg lettuce). I seem to recall that Iceberg lettuce will promote diarhea. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > > Read this http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.9903/msg00489.html > > Your gold fish will see live plants as a salad. Their excessive waste is a good fertilizer for the plants. Most plants with color need high light. 3 Watts per gallon or more. > > Putting your lights on a timer works well. 12 hours per day is good. > > For the turtle I would feed lettuce. > > Harry > > --- On Sun, 5/24/09, pkr772 <tkr772@...> wrote: > > From: pkr772 <tkr772@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > > I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40493	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers

As Goldfish are omnivores, they relish most any tender-leaved aquatic plants. You would do well with growing tougher-leved plants, like any of the Anubias species that they'd tend to leave alone. Besides Romaine lettuce for the turtle, they'll do well on small earthworms and/or many insects that can be caught like moths. They'll also do very well on suitable sized pellet food (fish food), but in any case, the diet should be varied. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "pkr772" <tkr772@...> wrote: > > Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40494	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers

BTW, just noticing that you're housing your Goldfish in a 20 gallon high tank -- and it appears that this may be plural (like, more than one Goldfish) -- you'll find that a 20 gallon high is way too small for even one Goldfish as it grows. Fancy Goldfish will get to 8" to 10" while common and Comet Goldfish will get to 12" - 14". You'll need at least a 55 gallon (preferably a 75 gallon) tank for just two fish, depending upon which variety you have. If you have even more than two Goldfish, you're going to need an even larger tank. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "pkr772" <tkr772@...> wrote: > > Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40495	From: jett07002	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

I agree with you, Gilbert. I have been raising Angels and Discus for quite a few years myself. I am not an Axelrod or a Wattley but I've done my share. If anyone can get their hands on the June, 1994 Tropical Fish Hobbyist there is wealth of information on fish keeping. This particular edition had an article on breeding the Altum Angels. Don't forget this was back in 1994. Now, today, I don't think there is much more fuss with the Altum as with any other Angel. The point I am trying to make is that everyone has to go through a patient "learning process" and so do new, young fish parents. If you are just a hobbyist ("just" meaning you are not trying to do this for a living) enjoy what is going on. It is one hell of a beautiful experience of nature. The information from this magazine is just as valid today as it was in 1994, in my opinion. If you can, don't turn your fish keeping into a drudge gotta do sort of thing. Watch,learn and be fascinated by what is going on. It is, and should be, an enjoyable adventure. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40496	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers

With goldfish, you need hardy plants and LOTS of them so that the nipping is spread among many plants so the plants can recover and grow in between being nibbled on. On my blog article, "Planted Tank - So You Want A Planted Tank?" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2008/10/planted-tank-so-you-want-planted-tank. html, I list plants that are known to be OK with goldfish and I also have links to other reference links for articles about planting a goldfish tank. I can't help you with plants for RES but I would suspect many of these same easy-to-grow, fast-growing plants will work for them also. Now... on a separate note, before you do too much work on your tank, I hope you have plans for a MUCH larger tank. Even a single goldfish will not do well long term in a 20G tank and a 20G tall tank is even less compatible for even a single goldfish. While on my blog, read my "Goldfish Care" sheet http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/03/goldfish-care-sheet-fancy-goldfish.htm l, which explains why. If you only have a couple of fancy goldfish, you should look at immediately upgrading to a 55G tank (available at low cost at Wal-Mart's and many other places, even used since it's a very popular tank size). You could use your current gravel, filter system, etc. in the upgrade and then add more filtration as money permits. If you decide to go this route, I'm working on a blog article about upgrading a tank or cloning one tank into a second tank which will cover how to do this safely so you do not disturb the environment and nitrogen cycle too much so the newly set up tank will not have cycling issues. The sooner you upgrade, the better as goldfish will get stunted if kept in an undersized tank or too many goldfish in a tank and this will cause many health problems for most goldfish. I know you probably read that 10G per goldfish was acceptable but that is simply bad advice that still permeates many books and websites... fortunately, more and more books and websites are upgrading their goldfish care sheets to show a minimum of 25G per fancy goldfish and 75G per long-bodied goldfish... and even those are bare minimums for long term success. Remember that fancy goldfish should live at least 10 years and long-bodied goldfish, at least 20 years. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pkr772 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone could give me some advice on what type of plants to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I already have a water wisteria which seems to be doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting to show leaves, but haven't really grown. Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40497	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus/Aquaticz

It's like eating water - little nutrition just a filler. If lettuce must be feed use Romaine - aquatic plants are better Regards, Aquaticz At 08:30 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: >Why?. > >--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Aquaticz ><<mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>aquaticz@...> wrote: > >From: Aquaticz <<mailto:aquaticz%40att.net>aquaticz@...> >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:27 AM > >Lettuce, especially iceberg is not a good food > >choice fro turtles. I have been raising them for 20 years. > >Regards, > >Aquaticz > >At 05:27 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: > > >Read this > > ><<http://fins.>http://fins. actwin.com/ > aquatic-plants/ month.9903/ msg00489. > html><http://fins.>http://fins. actwin.com/ > aquatic-plants/ month.9903/ msg00489. html > > > > > >Your gold fish will see live plants as a salad. > > >Their excessive waste is a good fertilizer for > > >the plants. Most plants with color need high > light. 3 Watts per gallon or more. > > > > > >Putting your lights on a timer works well. 12 hours per day is good. > > > > > >For the turtle I would feed lettuce. > > > > > >Harry > > > > > >--- On Sun, 5/24/09, pkr772 > > ><<mailto:tkr772% 40peoplepc. com>tkr772@peoplepc. com> wrote: > > > > > >From: pkr772 <<mailto:tkr772% 40peoplepc. com>tkr772@peoplepc. com> > > >Subject: [AquaticLife] Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers > > >To: <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > >Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:14 PM > > > > > >Hi, I'm new to the group and was hoping someone > > >could give me some advice on what type of plants > > >to buy. I have a 20 gallon high with goldfish. I > > >already have a water wisteria which seems to be > > >doing quite well. I've made a few cuttings for > > >friends. However, about 2 months ago I purchased > > >a couple of tiger lotus bulbs. They're starting > > >to show leaves, but haven't really grown. > > >Possibly the goldfish disturb them too much. Any suggestions? > > > > > >I'm also looking for some fast growing plants to > > >put in with my son's red eared slider as a food source. Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40498	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

I was planning on letting my Angel's do their own thing at least a few times, if they don't ever get it down pat I may "assist" later ;) LOL. For now I just want to see the process without any other fish in the tank to help eat the babies after they hatch, I was so amazed to see the last ones even hatch as every time before the Angel's ate all the eggs before they hatched. I can't wait to see the process and see how they adapt to a tank alone. Amber jett07002 wrote: > > > I agree with you, Gilbert. I have been raising Angels and Discus for > quite a few years myself. I am not an Axelrod or a Wattley but I've > done my share. > > If anyone can get their hands on the June, 1994 Tropical Fish Hobbyist > there is wealth of information on fish keeping. This particular > edition had an article on breeding the Altum Angels. Don't forget this > was back in 1994. Now, today, I don't think there is much more fuss > with the Altum as with any other Angel. > > The point I am trying to make is that everyone has to go through a > patient "learning process" and so do new, young fish parents. If you > are just a hobbyist ("just" meaning you are not trying to do this for > a living) enjoy what is going on. It is one hell of a beautiful > experience of nature. > > The information from this magazine is just as valid today as it was in > 1994, in my opinion. If you can, don't turn your fish keeping into a > drudge gotta do sort of thing. Watch,learn and be fascinated by what > is going on. It is, and should be, an enjoyable adventure. > > joe t > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40499	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Best Aquatic Plants/ Fast Growers/Tiger Lotus

One of the funniest post I ever read was written by a woman trying to get someone to understand that a particular animal ( not important) need to eat things from the wild. She made reference to A SALAD SHOOTER they do not exist in the wild.....LOL Regards, Aquaticz

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40500	From: Danielle Brown	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: OT -- HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL!

Howdy y'all! I hope you ALL are happy and well and healthy. My hubby is in the sandbox for the next 4 months. I got to talk to him and see him this morning thanks to the wonderful invention of the internet and video cameras and Skype. : ) He said it took him 2 hours to get online to talk to me and during that time he had to hit the deck. Everyone is alright and thanking God that no one was hurt. It brings his and the millions of other service members' sacrifices even more closer to home.  I just wanted to post this tribute to the US Air Force link. Many people think they don't do much over there, but all the services depend on each other equally. http://www.media-magik.com/usaf.html Take Care and God Bless! Mrs. Danielle Brown "Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40501	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@...> wrote: > > I agree with you, Gilbert. I have been raising Angels and Discus for quite a few years myself. I am not an Axelrod or a Wattley but I've done my share. > > If anyone can get their hands on the June, 1994 Tropical Fish Hobbyist there is wealth of information on fish keeping. This particular edition had an article on breeding the Altum Angels. Don't forget this was back in 1994. Now, today, I don't think there is much more fuss with the Altum as with any other Angel. > > The point I am trying to make is that everyone has to go through a patient "learning process" and so do new, young fish parents. If you are just a hobbyist ("just" meaning you are not trying to do this for a living) enjoy what is going on. It is one hell of a beautiful experience of nature. > > The information from this magazine is just as valid today as it was in 1994, in my opinion. If you can, don't turn your fish keeping into a drudge gotta do sort of thing. Watch,learn and be fascinated by what is going on. It is, and should be, an enjoyable adventure. > > joe t > Thanks Joe T. I think you're talking about the same article that's in this because it was such a big thing about breeding the Altums that it was covered in this booklet. Here I go again I seem to be getting excited about this fish again!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40502	From: Gilbert	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Steve, Deborah, and everyone who may be interested, I have my booklet in hand and here's the info. yearBOOKS,Inc. 1 TFH Plaza Neptune,NJ 07753 Like I said it's an older book, probably from the late or middle '90's and it may have been part of the Aquarium Fish Magazine series. There's a subsciption card in it with a toll free number, 800-647-8295. The mailing address for this card is: TFH Publications, INC PO BOX 427 NEPTUNE, NJ 07754-9989 I had mine for a few years and consider it a most valuable book in my library for tropicals. Don't know if the number is still good but, it may be worth a try. Hope this can help with anyone who's excited with Angels as I get. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Gilbert, > > I am not familiar with the series of books you speak of. There is a Cichlid Yearbook, which is edited by Ad Konings and published by Cichlid Press, but I don't know if it has covered angels since it started in the early '90's. > > Keep in mind that I have not played with angels for 30 or more years, but, as I recall, the wild angel fish also had the same problems with broods as noted with the domestic angels, though it did not seem to happen as often. I did a search online and only found one reference of the parenting of wild angel fish from an unknown source, and it was contrary to my memory. As they say, your mileage may vary. > > \\Steve// > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigues Gilbert > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:08 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angel fish > > I'd like to add my 2cents in on this. Afew years back Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod, whose the founder and chairman of yearBOOKS, INC. put out a quaterly on Cichlids, specifically on breeding and raising Angel fish that's chocked full of information on these majestic fish. If you can get a hold of a copy, do so. It covers myths to filteration and even touches on the subject of leaving the eggs in or not. The discussion was that through the years of selective breeding for strains, fins, shape and what not many breeders have turned back to capture of wild specimens to raise a brood. It seems that the fish has lost at least some of it's ability to parent. Not all mind you but it has been significant enough for them to do this. I've raiseda lot of Angel fish during my years and have found that it was more sucessful for me to remove the eggs after the act than to leave them in with the parents. I've had a few that was excellent parents but a whole lot more that > wasn't. That is why I had a few 29 gallon tanks for my breeders and a few others to raise my brood in. I also was fortunate enough to have a ready supply of newly hatched brine shrimp because that was my main line to supply local pet shops here with the stuff. I don't claim to be a highly regarded expert on this fish but, it was my main fish to breed at the time. > The ways that is dicussed in this quaterly are so close to my own way of doing it that I have to agree with what the steps in the booklet is and closely shadow my own. I'm one of those guys who'll stare at a Angel fish tank at the pet store that has 50 to a 100 fish in it and will pick out maybe a half dozen or less because I'm not happy with the way something looks on a fish. I see on line a lot of sites offering tips and strategies on the subject but will stick to my own tried and true methods anyway. Believe or not I don't have a single Angel in any of my tanks just because I haven't seen anything I want to take home with me. I'll be the first to say that I do have a passion for the fish and most of my Aquariums are really setup to do a quick conversion over to my favorite fish. Even my plant selection is based on Angelfish. If I was you and you want to breed the fish, I would remove the eggs after spawning mostly because the parents will more than > likely not change their habits and it will be a rewarding experience for any fish keeper to have actually been able to say "yeah I raised my Angels". This fish has and will always be a favorite for any level of fish keeping. > There I said my piece to the subject. >  Thank You > Gilbert >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40503	From: Chris Owens	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG mag

Ok, I admit it, I'm looking at this awfully hard - LOL! What they did was hid a pond canister filter in what looks to be a 2.5' by 2.5' square wooden planter box that waterfalls out of the side into the pond off the side of the deck. The top of the box has a planter in it to disguise the filter inside of it - how cool is that? I'm thinking this can't be that hard to build but would protectant could I use on the wood that wouldn't harm the fish do you think? Chris and the Linden Ladies

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40504	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

It would have been nice to have a link. ;-) It took me a few seconds to figure out BHG was probably "Better Homes & Gardens"??? I did a search and found the site to be BHG.com but after searching their site, I do not see any obvious hits for what you are describing. As far as protectants, I'm guessing you mean like a waterproofing sealer or something like that? If there is a chance of the product getting into the pond, I would avoid using it in close proximity to the pond... however, since the water shouldn't really come into contact with the wood, it shouldn't matter much but if this "box" is overhanging the pond and rain would cause any sealer/finish to possibly leach out of the wood and into the pond, I would avoid it. Obviously there are some woods that do better outdoors, than others so using a wood that does better and you like the natural look (pine, cypress, cedar, etc.), then that would be a good choice. Then there are the newer composite materials that look like wood (used for building outdoor decks) and come in many colors so that could be used also. That kind of product would be your best bet for low maintenance and waterproof materials. The cost is higher on the front end but for something that small, the cost would not matter much. If you are planning a deck, you might want to get material that will match your deck. If you can point me to a link with photos, etc., I might have other ideas. One of my mini-ponds was built onto a large deck (raised, not sunk into the deck) with bench seating around 3 sides and a planter box on the 4th side (next to the yard) and the pond would overflow into the planter box from rain and we had elephant ears growing in the planter box. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Ok, I admit it, I'm looking at this awfully hard - LOL! What they did was hid a pond canister filter in what looks to be a 2.5' by 2.5' square wooden planter box that waterfalls out of the side into the pond off the side of the deck. The top of the box has a planter in it to disguise the filter inside of it - how cool is that? I'm thinking this can't be that hard to build but would protectant could I use on the wood that wouldn't harm the fish do you think? Chris and the Linden Ladies

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40505	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better Homes & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it into the photo album section of the site so everyone can see it.    Silly me, I hadn't thought of using composite woods (aack I'm must be getting old and losing it!)  That would solve it all wouldn't it?  =D  The company that was going to do my koi pond for me went out of business so I'm back to the drawing board for my pond.  I know that Thompsons Waterseal waterproofs the decks/railings at Niagra but I'm not sure if any of that actually touches the water....   It will be created next to an existing porch that is done with real wood, I just thought that was the neatest way to hide a filter I had ever seen.    Chris in Northern VA --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 9:20 AM It would have been nice to have a link. ;-) It took me a few seconds to figure out BHG was probably "Better Homes & Gardens"??? I did a search and found the site to be BHG.com but after searching their site, I do not see any obvious hits for what you are describing. As far as protectants, I'm guessing you mean like a waterproofing sealer or something like that? If there is a chance of the product getting into the pond, I would avoid using it in close proximity to the pond... however, since the water shouldn't really come into contact with the wood, it shouldn't matter much but if this "box" is overhanging the pond and rain would cause any sealer/finish to possibly leach out of the wood and into the pond, I would avoid it. Obviously there are some woods that do better outdoors, than others so using a wood that does better and you like the natural look (pine, cypress, cedar, etc.), then that would be a good choice. Then there are the newer composite materials that look like wood (used for building outdoor decks) and come in many colors so that could be used also. That kind of product would be your best bet for low maintenance and waterproof materials. The cost is higher on the front end but for something that small, the cost would not matter much. If you are planning a deck, you might want to get material that will match your deck. If you can point me to a link with photos, etc., I might have other ideas. One of my mini-ponds was built onto a large deck (raised, not sunk into the deck) with bench seating around 3 sides and a planter box on the 4th side (next to the yard) and the pond would overflow into the planter box from rain and we had elephant ears growing in the planter box. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 AM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Ok, I admit it, I'm looking at this awfully hard - LOL! What they did was hid a pond canister filter in what looks to be a 2.5' by 2.5' square wooden planter box that waterfalls out of the side into the pond off the side of the deck. The top of the box has a planter in it to disguise the filter inside of it - how cool is that? I'm thinking this can't be that hard to build but would protectant could I use on the wood that wouldn't harm the fish do you think? Chris and the Linden Ladies [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40506	From: pkr772	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Goldfish/ larger tank

I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40507	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank

There is no single formula that works for all fish since small fishes would have a MUCH different formula than BIG fish like goldfish. I have an article that myself and others collaborated on to come up with a simple set of guidelines that will work for most fish. http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html Here's a snip from the long article... NEW rules (guidelines) to replace the 1" per gallon, FISH KILLING, rule (guideline) for Freshwater Aquariums: Proposed MINIMUM recommendations for aquariums with multiple fish. These MINIMUMS do not work when only one LARGER fish is alone in the tank... in that case, use the "Tank Size Guideline" below: Small Fish - 1 Gallon per adult size inch for fish up to 3 inches as adults. (This is the only type of fish that fits in the 1" per gallon rule. Fish that will be small even as adults.) (Also see Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking List And Suggestions ) Medium Fish - 2 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 3" to 6" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 24" to 48" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank) Medium Large Fish (including most Fancy Goldfish) - 3 Gallons per adult size inch for fish 6" to 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 48" to 80" long (6X to 8X longer than longest expected adult sized fish in the tank). Large Fish (including Oscars, Common Pleco's, Comets and Common Goldfish) - 5 Gallons per adult size inch for fish over 10" as adults. Minimum Tank Size - 80" long and UP depending on expected adult size of fish using the basis of 8X longer than the longest expected adult sized fish in the tank. Koi should really be in a large pond since most aquariums are not large enough unless you have a HUGE tank. NOTE - When measuring your fish, use their expected adult size, not the current size. Do NOT include the tail. Measure from the base of the tail, where it connects to the body or use the expected adult size found on reputable profiles and care sheets (see separate article on Profiles/Care Sheets). We are more concerned with body mass for figuring out bioload in a tank. Some fish like Angelfish, Discus, round-bodied Goldfish, etc., should probably have the length and width added together to come up with a more accurate comparison to long-bodied fish. (END SNIP) See full article, link above SNIP for full details. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pkr772 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40508	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank

That formula is only good for determining how many 1 inch fish will fit in an aquarium. My goldies are now 3 1/2 to 4 inches long, not counting the tail, but they have almost ten times the body mass that they had when they were 1 inch long. You need to plan on 25 to 30 gallons or more per adult fancy goldfish, even more for comets. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pkr772" <tkr772@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40509	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank

DebR, They have MUCH more than ten times the body mass. Goldfish increase their body mass by EIGHT times for each time they double their length. This means that a single 2" goldfish is equal in body mass to EIGHT 1" goldfish. A single 4" goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish OR 64 1" goldfish. A full size adult 8" fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to OVER 500 1" goldfish. This is proven math, not just a theory. This is why goldfish NEED so much water volume. Technically, even the 25G to 30G per fancy goldfish or two fancy goldfish in a 55G will be a burden and will require weekly (or more often) tank maintenance, PWC's, etc. I have two fancies in a 65G and if I try to go more than a week without doing filter & tank maintenance, the water quality starts to become noticeably different. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank That formula is only good for determining how many 1 inch fish will fit in an aquarium. My goldies are now 3 1/2 to 4 inches long, not counting the tail, but they have almost ten times the body mass that they had when they were 1 inch long. You need to plan on 25 to 30 gallons or more per adult fancy goldfish, even more for comets. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pkr772" <tkr772@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40510	From: Menagerie_Manager	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank

I believe it. I was just guesstimating and I have a tendency to exaggerate, so I went too conservative. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank DebR, They have MUCH more than ten times the body mass. Goldfish increase their body mass by EIGHT times for each time they double their length. This means that a single 2" goldfish is equal in body mass to EIGHT 1" goldfish. A single 4" goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish OR 64 1" goldfish. A full size adult 8" fancy goldfish is equal in body mass to OVER 500 1" goldfish. This is proven math, not just a theory. This is why goldfish NEED so much water volume. Technically, even the 25G to 30G per fancy goldfish or two fancy goldfish in a 55G will be a burden and will require weekly (or more often) tank maintenance, PWC's, etc. I have two fancies in a 65G and if I try to go more than a week without doing filter & tank maintenance, the water quality starts to become noticeably different. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank That formula is only good for determining how many 1 inch fish will fit in an aquarium. My goldies are now 3 1/2 to 4 inches long, not counting the tail, but they have almost ten times the body mass that they had when they were 1 inch long. You need to plan on 25 to 30 gallons or more per adult fancy goldfish, even more for comets. DebR and the Three Goldfish (CB, Lucille, and Raven) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pkr772" <tkr772@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish/ larger tank I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next. ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40511	From: jett07002	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Sorry. In reference to my last message I think I left out the most important information for any one who may want to look into this. I was referencing and article authored by HIROSHI AZUMA titled "Breeding Altum Angels". It was in the June 1994 issue of the magazine - Tropical Fish Hobbyist. I don't know if this is what Gilbert was referring to as a book since it is quite a hefty issue. All 240 pages were chock full of good articles. Best of all, are you ready for this(?), it had cost only $2.95!! This was the article I happen to come across, but TFH had, and still does have, many articles on breeding Angels and many other fish, also. There are a lot of other Tropical Fish magazines today, and I enjoy perusing them, but I still hold high regard for TFH. joe t. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gilbert" <grodhi96792@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jett07002" <jett07002@> wrote: > > > > I agree with you, Gilbert. I have been raising Angels and Discus for quite a few years myself. I am not an Axelrod or a Wattley but I've done my share. > > > > If anyone can get their hands on the June, 1994 Tropical Fish Hobbyist there is wealth of information on fish keeping. This particular edition had an article on breeding the Altum Angels. Don't forget this was back in 1994. Now, today, I don't think there is much more fuss with the Altum as with any other Angel. > > > > The point I am trying to make is that everyone has to go through a patient "learning process" and so do new, young fish parents. If you are just a hobbyist ("just" meaning you are not trying to do this for a living) enjoy what is going on. It is one hell of a beautiful experience of nature. > > > > The information from this magazine is just as valid today as it was in 1994, in my opinion. If you can, don't turn your fish keeping into a drudge gotta do sort of thing. Watch,learn and be fascinated by what is going on. It is, and should be, an enjoyable adventure. > > > > joe t > > > Thanks Joe T. I think you're talking about the same article that's in this because it was such a big thing about breeding the Altums that it was covered in this booklet. Here I go again I seem to be getting excited about this fish again! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40512	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Cory Catfish and question about eggs

I have a curiosity question about Cory catfish. My albino Aeneus cory's love to swim laps around the upper portion of my 55 gallon tank. My parents have brochis "emerald green" catfish (also called emerald cory's at some LFS) and I have never seen them swim in the upper portions of the tank, occasionally they will swim up and surface and then swim back down to the bottom of the tank. I was wondering if my Cory's are weird or is this a normal behavior for Cory's/brochis catfish? I know that they often surface, and I think some websites say they are surfacing for air, but no idea if that is correct. Mine follow each other around the tank, so I will see a line of albino cory's swimming laps, and sometimes they will pair up and swim laps around the tank. I would assume that if they don't look agitated in some way that they must be happy in their lap swimming ;) LOL. (although, what does an agitated fish really look like? heh). Also my mom's tank is now covered in eggs, they did a heavier duty cleaning in their tank than normal and I think that stimulated something into spawning. I don't know if they sucked up the eggs afterwards or left them in the tank. I would assume that it's better to get rid of the eggs than leave them as they could start to decay and cause tank issues, correct? She said they were everywhere, as if something had exploded eggs ;) LOL. My first guess was her brochis catfish as they are stimulated into spawning by the flood season, so if they changed out more water than normal that could have stimulated the fish into spawning, that was my guess ;). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40513	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs

Oh I forgot to say that they don't do this all the time, but most of the day/evening they seem to be swimming laps, until I feed the tank and then they're all on the bottom searching for food. They definitely know when feeding time is ;) LOL. Amber Amber Berglund wrote: > > > I have a curiosity question about Cory catfish. My albino Aeneus cory's > love to swim laps around the upper portion of my 55 gallon tank. My > parents have brochis "emerald green" catfish (also called emerald cory's > at some LFS) and I have never seen them swim in the upper portions of > the tank, occasionally they will swim up and surface and then swim back > down to the bottom of the tank. I was wondering if my Cory's are weird > or is this a normal behavior for Cory's/brochis catfish? I know that > they often surface, and I think some websites say they are surfacing for > air, but no idea if that is correct. Mine follow each other around the > tank, so I will see a line of albino cory's swimming laps, and sometimes > they will pair up and swim laps around the tank. I would assume that if > they don't look agitated in some way that they must be happy in their > lap swimming ;) LOL. (although, what does an agitated fish really look > like? heh). > Also my mom's tank is now covered in eggs, they did a heavier duty > cleaning in their tank than normal and I think that stimulated something > into spawning. I don't know if they sucked up the eggs afterwards or > left them in the tank. I would assume that it's better to get rid of the > eggs than leave them as they could start to decay and cause tank issues, > correct? She said they were everywhere, as if something had exploded > eggs ;) LOL. My first guess was her brochis catfish as they are > stimulated into spawning by the flood season, so if they changed out > more water than normal that could have stimulated the fish into > spawning, that was my guess ;). > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40514	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs

Amber, It is not unusual to see some corys swimming mid water often, but not all the time. If I saw this behavior constantly, I'd start looking around for a cause. Corys do need access to the surface to get "a breath of fresh air". I understand it is quite an amazing site to see a school of hundreds or thousands of corys doing that in the wild. The massive cleanup, and then adding of fresh water that was quite possibly a few degrees cooler is a spawning trigger (the water, not the cleaning). They should have left the eggs and only picked up in areas where the eggs may have turned white, indicating unfertile eggs. They may have gifted some young corys to their loving daughter. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cory Catfish and question about eggs I have a curiosity question about Cory catfish. My albino Aeneus cory's love to swim laps around the upper portion of my 55 gallon tank. My parents have brochis "emerald green" catfish (also called emerald cory's at some LFS) and I have never seen them swim in the upper portions of the tank, occasionally they will swim up and surface and then swim back down to the bottom of the tank. I was wondering if my Cory's are weird or is this a normal behavior for Cory's/brochis catfish? I know that they often surface, and I think some websites say they are surfacing for air, but no idea if that is correct. Mine follow each other around the tank, so I will see a line of albino cory's swimming laps, and sometimes they will pair up and swim laps around the tank. I would assume that if they don't look agitated in some way that they must be happy in their lap swimming ;) LOL. (although, what does an agitated fish really look like? heh). Also my mom's tank is now covered in eggs, they did a heavier duty cleaning in their tank than normal and I think that stimulated something into spawning. I don't know if they sucked up the eggs afterwards or left them in the tank. I would assume that it's better to get rid of the eggs than leave them as they could start to decay and cause tank issues, correct? She said they were everywhere, as if something had exploded eggs ;) LOL. My first guess was her brochis catfish as they are stimulated into spawning by the flood season, so if they changed out more water than normal that could have stimulated the fish into spawning, that was my guess ;). Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40515	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Cory Catfish and question about eggs

Well I'm glad that mine don't do it all the time, they take breaks in their lap swimming while they search for food ;). In fact my Cory's are so active that I tend to look at them more so when they're suddenly not active ;). I couldn't imagine hundreds or thousands of cory's swimming together, but I'm sure it would be quite a sight to see. I love watching my Cory's. I asked about the eggs again tonight and apparently the tiger barbs in the tank have eaten most of them, but it sounds like they were infertile anyways since they're all turning white. I suppose it's a good thing that the tiger barbs are eating them like they're candy ;) LOL. I don't know if she still has 2 cory's left in her tank or not (they are several years old now and I think she has lost a few over the years), she probably has all female cory's with her luck ;), she seems to have all male tiger barbs, hehe. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > Amber, > > It is not unusual to see some corys swimming mid water often, but not > all the time. If I saw this behavior constantly, I'd start looking > around for a cause. > > Corys do need access to the surface to get "a breath of fresh air". I > understand it is quite an amazing site to see a school of hundreds or > thousands of corys doing that in the wild. > > The massive cleanup, and then adding of fresh water that was quite > possibly a few degrees cooler is a spawning trigger (the water, not the > cleaning). They should have left the eggs and only picked up in areas > where the eggs may have turned white, indicating unfertile eggs. They > may have gifted some young corys to their loving daughter. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:17 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Cory Catfish and question about eggs > > I have a curiosity question about Cory catfish. My albino Aeneus cory's > love to swim laps around the upper portion of my 55 gallon tank. My > parents have brochis "emerald green" catfish (also called emerald cory's > > at some LFS) and I have never seen them swim in the upper portions of > the tank, occasionally they will swim up and surface and then swim back > down to the bottom of the tank. I was wondering if my Cory's are weird > or is this a normal behavior for Cory's/brochis catfish? I know that > they often surface, and I think some websites say they are surfacing for > > air, but no idea if that is correct. Mine follow each other around the > tank, so I will see a line of albino cory's swimming laps, and sometimes > > they will pair up and swim laps around the tank. I would assume that if > they don't look agitated in some way that they must be happy in their > lap swimming ;) LOL. (although, what does an agitated fish really look > like? heh). > Also my mom's tank is now covered in eggs, they did a heavier duty > cleaning in their tank than normal and I think that stimulated something > > into spawning. I don't know if they sucked up the eggs afterwards or > left them in the tank. I would assume that it's better to get rid of the > > eggs than leave them as they could start to decay and cause tank issues, > > correct? She said they were everywhere, as if something had exploded > eggs ;) LOL. My first guess was her brochis catfish as they are > stimulated into spawning by the flood season, so if they changed out > more water than normal that could have stimulated the fish into > spawning, that was my guess ;). > > Amber > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40516	From: Chris Owens	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think Chris Owens in Northern VA --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better Homes & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it into the photo album section of the site so everyone can see it.  >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40517	From: portiesrule2@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Hello, I am new and new to fish

Hello, I am new to this group I joined last night. I am also new to fish well sorta new. First of all my name is Rachel, I have 2 dogs and 2 cats. Nico is my 4 year old Portuguese Water Dog she is also a certified therapy dog. I also have a soon to be 12 year old Siberian Husky/GSD mix named Trajan and two cats Halle who is 11 she is a long hair calico cat and Patches a 9 year old short hair grey and white tabby cat. I am sorta new to fish, I have had Betta fish for several years now. I just started trying out new tropical fish about two weeks ago. I have one Corycat fish, 1 platy fish and 5 Tetra fish one of them is a Black Phantom I got him on Monday. I still have two male Betta. One of my male Betta is calm with my school fish he is in with them. He leaves them alone but sometimes he likes to swim with him. My other betta is of course by himself in his own tank. I just found this group last night and hoping I can learn new stuff. Since I am a newbie to other tropical fish other then Bettas. I just wanted to introduce myself. Looking forward on learning lots of new stuff and to ask some questions, also hoping some of my questions won't be to stupid. :) Rachel and the Canine and Feline Pack Nico-Portuguese Water Dog-CGC,TDI _http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com_ (http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com/) Trajan-Sibe.GSD-CGC The Felines Halle and Patches From the Midwest-Indiana **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40518	From: Kuradi Eit	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

Ooooooh! Isn't that tastefully done?!? And I'm surprised that a Colorado yard can be so LUSH. ~Kai --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Owens" <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think > > Chris Owens in Northern VA >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40519	From: kim	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Introduction from new member - Kim

http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40520	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

Below is the LONG link to your PDF file under the name "filter box.pdf" in the files section of the group, if the link breaks. For others looking, it's on the bottom of this page http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/ right now. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Azu8aEk- 0eLtPXZFmkeFuxJAp2DCBLyCuKKrzZUPV-JRr/filter%20box.pdf They sure look like they finished that deck with some kind of shellac or other finish that is now flaking/peeling off in some areas (but read down further). If this was only over the ground, it wouldn't be a problem but since the deck and the box covering the waterfall is set up as an overhang over the pond, it would probably be much better to have a natural finish or use composite materials for the deck. Even if it's only a stain or sealer of some sort, those only last a couple of years so they would start rinsing/leaching out of the wood and some of it would go into the pond. If it was only a planted pond, no problem.. but with fish in the pond, not a good idea. In reading the article, I read where it says the "deck is redwood and has never been stained, but it gets regular cleanings to make it last. Treated lumber was used for the understructure, which is as solid today as the day it was built". The treated lumber is probably not a good idea to have over the pond to avoid the leaching of preservative chemicals (chromium, copper and arsenic based chemicals, a/k/a "heavy metals" are used for most treated lumber - http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html although there are other safer options available nowadays). Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think Chris Owens in Northern VA --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better Homes > & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it into the photo album section of the site so everyone can see it. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40521	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

Hi Kim, Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kim Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40522	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello, I am new and new to fish

Welcome to the group. There's no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid answer... so excuse mine on those rare occasions when I give a stupid answer. ;-) LOL I have a blog, all about fish keeping, and one of the pages is "A to Z of Fish Keeping" (mainly for newbie's) http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/to-z-of-fish-keeping-how-to-training.h tml and near the top of that page are info and links to two FREE online fish keeping tutorials that are both full of reliable information so if you'd like to learn a LOT more, take one or both of those tutorials. In my many years of experience in helping newbie's, the two biggest problems are the nitrogen cycle and "Filter Maintenance" and how it affects the nitrogen cycle in an aquarium... and overstocking of a tank. I have an article titled, "Filter Maintenance and Cleaning" http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/notice-this-article-is-very-important. html that will walk you through this process so you do not accidentally put your tank into a new "cycle" each time you do filter maintenance/cleaning. If you give us your tank size, we could let you know if you are facing any overstocking issues. I also have an article on proper stocking of a tank titled "New rules/guidelines to replace the 1" fish-killing rule". http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per. html Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of portiesrule2@... Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello, I am new and new to fish Hello, I am new to this group I joined last night. I am also new to fish well sorta new. First of all my name is Rachel, I have 2 dogs and 2 cats. Nico is my 4 year old Portuguese Water Dog she is also a certified therapy dog. I also have a soon to be 12 year old Siberian Husky/GSD mix named Trajan and two cats Halle who is 11 she is a long hair calico cat and Patches a 9 year old short hair grey and white tabby cat. I am sorta new to fish, I have had Betta fish for several years now. I just started trying out new tropical fish about two weeks ago. I have one Corycat fish, 1 platy fish and 5 Tetra fish one of them is a Black Phantom I got him on Monday. I still have two male Betta. One of my male Betta is calm with my school fish he is in with them. He leaves them alone but sometimes he likes to swim with him. My other betta is of course by himself in his own tank. I just found this group last night and hoping I can learn new stuff. Since I am a newbie to other tropical fish other then Bettas. I just wanted to introduce myself. Looking forward on learning lots of new stuff and to ask some questions, also hoping some of my questions won't be too stupid. :) Rachel and the Canine and Feline Pack Nico-Portuguese Water Dog-CGC,TDI _http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com_ (http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com/) Trajan-Sibe.GSD-CGC The Felines Halle and Patches From the Midwest-Indiana

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40523	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

What folder in the file section please? Regards, Aquaticz At 05:14 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: >Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan >into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think > >Chris Owens in Northern VA > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, >Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to > be out on the Better Homes & Gardens website, > I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it > into the photo album section of the site so everyone can see it. > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40524	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

Treated lumber has new provisions via the 2007 building codes - you need to look at a reference called AWPA. In short this code is nation wide as all codes are now. Various states & localities can make it harder but can't fall below the requirements of the Building Code. I'd look it up but my copy is at home. BTW I am a State Inspector for California, I work on public schools :-) Regards, Aquaticz At 10:51 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: >Below is the LONG link to your PDF file under the name "filter box.pdf" in >the files section of the group, if the link breaks. For others looking, >it's on the bottom of this page ><http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/ >right now. > ><http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Azu8aEk->http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Azu8aEk- >0eLtPXZFmkeFuxJAp2DCBLyCuKKrzZUPV-JRr/filter%20box.pdf > >They sure look like they finished that deck with some kind of shellac or >other finish that is now flaking/peeling off in some areas (but read down >further). If this was only over the ground, it wouldn't be a problem but >since the deck and the box covering the waterfall is set up as an overhang >over the pond, it would probably be much better to have a natural finish or >use composite materials for the deck. Even if it's only a stain or sealer >of some sort, those only last a couple of years so they would start >rinsing/leaching out of the wood and some of it would go into the pond. If >it was only a planted pond, no problem.. but with fish in the pond, not a >good idea. > >In reading the article, I read where it says the "deck is redwood and has >never been stained, but it gets regular cleanings to make it last. Treated >lumber was used for the understructure, which is as solid today as the day >it was built". The treated lumber is probably not a good idea to have over >the pond to avoid the leaching of preservative chemicals (chromium, copper >and arsenic based chemicals, a/k/a "heavy metals" are used for most treated >lumber - ><http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html>http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html >although there are other safer >options available nowadays). > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Chris Owens >Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:15 AM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall >planters in BHG magazine > >Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, >Let me know what you think > >Chris Owens in Northern VA > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, >Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> >wrote: > > > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better Homes > > & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it into the >photo album section of the site so everyone can see it. > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40525	From: greychildren	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: My ever adventures with cloudy water

Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40526	From: greychildren	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > Water perimeters are fine > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters > > Ammonia 0 > Nitrate 0 > Nitrite 0 > Hardness Semi hard > PH 7.2 > Water temp 77f > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40527	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

hehehe   i am a fishaholic kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM Hi Kim, Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kim Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40528	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

Hi Kim welcome to the group Pull a chair get a warm got of joe then enjoy!!! --- On Wed, 5/27/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:42 PM hehehe   i am a fishaholic kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM Hi Kim, Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kim Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40529	From: pam andress	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hello, I am new and new to fish

Hi Rachel, Where do you live? I'm in North Judson IN. Ok Now for the fishie questions. What size tank do you have? Cory's like to have a group to be happy. Normally 3 will do, but they do like more, 5 is better if the tank is big enough. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: portiesrule2@... Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:42:22 -0400 Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello, I am new and new to fish Hello, I am new to this group I joined last night. I am also new to fish well sorta new. First of all my name is Rachel, I have 2 dogs and 2 cats. Nico is my 4 year old Portuguese Water Dog she is also a certified therapy dog. I also have a soon to be 12 year old Siberian Husky/GSD mix named Trajan and two cats Halle who is 11 she is a long hair calico cat and Patches a 9 year old short hair grey and white tabby cat. I am sorta new to fish, I have had Betta fish for several years now. I just started trying out new tropical fish about two weeks ago. I have one Corycat fish, 1 platy fish and 5 Tetra fish one of them is a Black Phantom I got him on Monday. I still have two male Betta. One of my male Betta is calm with my school fish he is in with them. He leaves them alone but sometimes he likes to swim with him. My other betta is of course by himself in his own tank. I just found this group last night and hoping I can learn new stuff. Since I am a newbie to other tropical fish other then Bettas. I just wanted to introduce myself. Looking forward on learning lots of new stuff and to ask some questions, also hoping some of my questions won't be to stupid. :) Rachel and the Canine and Feline Pack Nico-Portuguese Water Dog-CGC,TDI _http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com_ (http://lovemypwd.shutterfly.com/) Trajan-Sibe.GSD-CGC The Felines Halle and Patches From the Midwest-Indiana **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40530	From: pam andress	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

Looks great. Wish I had a deck and pond like it. Pam To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com From: kuradi8@... Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:52:35 +0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Ooooooh! Isn't that tastefully done?!? And I'm surprised that a Colorado yard can be so LUSH. ~Kai --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Owens" <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think > > Chris Owens in Northern VA > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40531	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

A diatom filter would polish the water and remove the cloudyness. Also puregen is suppose to clear the water. You mention plants, what did you do about the substrate when you cleaned and re-did the tank? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:09 PM, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: >> >> Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so >> bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not >> see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could >> tear down the set up and redo it. >> >> Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the >> water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. >> >> >> Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. >> >> Water perimeters are fine >> Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio >> filters >> >> Ammonia 0 >> Nitrate 0 >> Nitrite 0 >> Hardness Semi hard >> PH 7.2 >> Water temp 77f >> >> I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to >> see if that will help nothing yet. >> >> I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue >> before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. >> >> I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none >> there >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40532	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

I can see that! What size tank do you have the 2 oscars in? And how big are they? Oh yeah, welcome to the group! :o) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: > > > hehehe   i am a fishaholic > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM > > Hi Kim, > > Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of kim > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my > > home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40533	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

It was cleaned out..i know big mistake. and diatom filter are so expensive there got to be another way --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:07 PM A diatom filter would polish the water and remove the cloudyness. Also puregen is suppose to clear the water. You mention plants, what did you do about the substrate when you cleaned and re-did the tank? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:09 PM, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: >> >> Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so >> bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not >> see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could >> tear down the set up and redo it. >> >> Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the >> water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. >> >> >> Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. >> >> Water perimeters are fine >> Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio >> filters >> >> Ammonia 0 >> Nitrate 0 >> Nitrite 0 >> Hardness Semi hard >> PH 7.2 >> Water temp 77f >> >> I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to >> see if that will help nothing yet. >> >> I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue >> before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. >> >> I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none >> there >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40534	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH

Aquaticz, You know the Republik of Kalifornia is a lot different than the rest of America as far as their laws go... especially environmental laws... but yes, most States and Regions have standardized building codes where they all adapt certain parts of other building codes. I'm not sure the other States are as worried about environmental impact of building materials compared to Kalifornia. Just like you guys want to have five cars for every person but you don't want to drill offshore for all that black gold lying off your coasts. Florida is the same way... they want all the tourists driving down to Florida but they don't want to drill for any of that black gold off of their enormous coastline either... but that's OK... we'll keep selling you ours... although I propose adding a MUCH higher SIN tax to States that will not drill for their own oil, when they have proven reserves. OK.. enough blathering about the environment and black gold. LOL I know that they have safer treated woods available and these products are required to be used on things like playgrounds and wherever children may come into frequent contact with the materials... so I'm sure the schools would use this "safer" treated lumber as well. The current YellaWood website, which is one of the BIG distributors of building materials down here, shows they use ACQ for their treatment preservative. http://www.greatsouthernwood.com/products/ACQ ACQ Treated Wood from Great Southern Wood Wood products treated with ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) preservatives are available to retailers, consumers, builders and architects for outdoor building projects that require protection against rot, fungal decay and termite attack. ACQ treated products have been commercially used since 1991 throughout Europe, Asia, and the United States. and can be used for many backyard and commercial projects such as decks, fences and landscaping...."(END SNIP) It still sounds like something that shouldn't be possibly leaching into a pond. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aquaticz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Treated lumber has new provisions via the 2007 building codes - you need to look at a reference called AWPA. In short this code is nation wide as all codes are now. Various states & localities can make it harder but can't fall below the requirements of the Building Code. I'd look it up but my copy is at home. BTW I am a State Inspector for California, I work on public schools :-) Regards, Aquaticz At 10:51 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: >Below is the LONG link to your PDF file under the name "filter box.pdf" >in the files section of the group, if the link breaks. For others >looking, it's on the bottom of this page ><http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/>http://pets.grou >ps.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/ >right now. > ><http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Az >u8aEk->http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKF >oFE3Azu8aEk- 0eLtPXZFmkeFuxJAp2DCBLyCuKKrzZUPV-JRr/filter%20box.pdf > >They sure look like they finished that deck with some kind of shellac >or other finish that is now flaking/peeling off in some areas (but read >down further). If this was only over the ground, it wouldn't be a >problem but since the deck and the box covering the waterfall is set up >as an overhang over the pond, it would probably be much better to have >a natural finish or use composite materials for the deck. Even if it's >only a stain or sealer of some sort, those only last a couple of years >so they would start rinsing/leaching out of the wood and some of it >would go into the pond. If it was only a planted pond, no problem.. but >with fish in the pond, not a good idea. > >In reading the article, I read where it says the "deck is redwood and >has never been stained, but it gets regular cleanings to make it last. >Treated lumber was used for the understructure, which is as solid today >as the day it was built". The treated lumber is probably not a good >idea to have over the pond to avoid the leaching of preservative >chemicals (chromium, copper and arsenic based chemicals, a/k/a "heavy >metals" are used for most treated lumber - ><http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html>http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html >although there are other safer >options available nowadays). > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - ><http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens >Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:15 AM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside >waterfall planters in BHG magazine > >Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file >format, Let me know what you think > >Chris Owens in Northern VA > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, >Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> >wrote: > > > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better > > Homes & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it > > into the >photo album section of the site so everyone can see it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40535	From: bill1433	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40536	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

120    i have 2 120s /6 55's/3 40s/10 30s/   7 20s/  6 15s/ 4 10s / 2 5s kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:20 PM I can see that! What size tank do you have the 2 oscars in? And how big are they? Oh yeah, welcome to the group! :o) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > hehehe   i am a fishaholic > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM > > Hi Kim, > > Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. com] > On > > Behalf Of kim > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my > > home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40537	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

every time i had that happen i  had to get rid of the old rocks/gravel/ sand   and replace with new  i dunno why  but its only thing that worked kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:09 PM I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > Water perimeters are fine > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters > > Ammonia 0 > Nitrate 0 > Nitrite 0 > Hardness Semi hard > PH 7.2 > Water temp 77f > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40538	From: bill1433	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

If you have any Cory cats at all, they don't like this stuff much! bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@...> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:09 PM > I even tried cloudy water remover > forgot to place this in the post.... > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense > the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand > inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost > one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could > tear down the set up and redo it. > > > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for > two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months > before I took down the tank. > > > > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY > AGAIN!. > > > > Water perimeters are fine > >  Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not > rinse the black bio filters > > > > Ammonia 0 > > Nitrate 0 > > Nitrite 0 > > Hardness Semi hard > > PH 7.2 > > Water temp 77f > > > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost > taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. > > > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about > this same issue before but I treid everything in the book > nothings worked. > > > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae > there was none there > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40539	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH

koi is illegal in maine  and even any  outside private ponds with any type of fish are illegal. and so is a fountain or pool with any live fish.  it sux kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:32 PM Aquaticz, You know the Republik of Kalifornia is a lot different than the rest of America as far as their laws go... especially environmental laws... but yes, most States and Regions have standardized building codes where they all adapt certain parts of other building codes. I'm not sure the other States are as worried about environmental impact of building materials compared to Kalifornia. Just like you guys want to have five cars for every person but you don't want to drill offshore for all that black gold lying off your coasts. Florida is the same way... they want all the tourists driving down to Florida but they don't want to drill for any of that black gold off of their enormous coastline either... but that's OK... we'll keep selling you ours... although I propose adding a MUCH higher SIN tax to States that will not drill for their own oil, when they have proven reserves. OK.. enough blathering about the environment and black gold. LOL I know that they have safer treated woods available and these products are required to be used on things like playgrounds and wherever children may come into frequent contact with the materials... so I'm sure the schools would use this "safer" treated lumber as well. The current YellaWood website, which is one of the BIG distributors of building materials down here, shows they use ACQ for their treatment preservative. http://www.greatsou thernwood. com/products/ ACQ ACQ Treated Wood from Great Southern Wood Wood products treated with ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) preservatives are available to retailers, consumers, builders and architects for outdoor building projects that require protection against rot, fungal decay and termite attack. ACQ treated products have been commercially used since 1991 throughout Europe, Asia, and the United States. and can be used for many backyard and commercial projects such as decks, fences and landscaping. ..."(END SNIP) It still sounds like something that shouldn't be possibly leaching into a pond. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aquaticz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:04 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Treated lumber has new provisions via the 2007 building codes - you need to look at a reference called AWPA. In short this code is nation wide as all codes are now. Various states & localities can make it harder but can't fall below the requirements of the Building Code. I'd look it up but my copy is at home. BTW I am a State Inspector for California, I work on public schools :-) Regards, Aquaticz At 10:51 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: >Below is the LONG link to your PDF file under the name "filter box.pdf" >in the files section of the group, if the link breaks. For others >looking, it's on the bottom of this page ><http://pets. groups.yahoo. com/group/ AquaticLife/ files/>http://pets. grou >ps.yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/files/ >right now. > ><http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/kHEdSsNwiYytd nEQa1GNyc6K_ h6agMKuDKFoFE3Az >u8aEk->http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/kHEdSsNwiYytd nEQa1GNyc6K_ h6agMKuDKF >oFE3Azu8aEk- 0eLtPXZFmkeFuxJAp2D CBLyCuKKrzZUPV- JRr/filter% 20box.pdf > >They sure look like they finished that deck with some kind of shellac >or other finish that is now flaking/peeling off in some areas (but read >down further). If this was only over the ground, it wouldn't be a >problem but since the deck and the box covering the waterfall is set up >as an overhang over the pond, it would probably be much better to have >a natural finish or use composite materials for the deck. Even if it's >only a stain or sealer of some sort, those only last a couple of years >so they would start rinsing/leaching out of the wood and some of it >would go into the pond. If it was only a planted pond, no problem.. but >with fish in the pond, not a good idea. > >In reading the article, I read where it says the "deck is redwood and >has never been stained, but it gets regular cleanings to make it last. >Treated lumber was used for the understructure, which is as solid today >as the day it was built". The treated lumber is probably not a good >idea to have over the pond to avoid the leaching of preservative >chemicals (chromium, copper and arsenic based chemicals, a/k/a "heavy >metals" are used for most treated lumber - ><http://www.cpsc. gov/phth/ cca.html>http://www.cpsc. gov/phth/ cca.html >although there are other safer >options available nowadays). > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - ><http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com>http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by >Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLif e%40yahoogroups. com>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >[mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens >Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:15 AM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside >waterfall planters in BHG magazine > >Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file >format, Let me know what you think > >Chris Owens in Northern VA > >--- In ><mailto:AquaticLif e%40yahoogroups. com>AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, >Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@. ..> >wrote: > > > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better > > Homes & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it > > into the >photo album section of the site so everyone can see it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40540	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

yes i have 5 corys bill 3 panda 1 pepper and 1 albino they seam to be ok --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:46 PM If you have any Cory cats at all, they don't like this stuff much! bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:09 PM > I even tried cloudy water remover > forgot to place this in the post.... > > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, > "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense > the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand > inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost > one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could > tear down the set up and redo it. > > > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for > two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months > before I took down the tank. > > > > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY > AGAIN!. > > > > Water perimeters are fine > >  Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not > rinse the black bio filters > > > > Ammonia 0 > > Nitrate 0 > > Nitrite 0 > > Hardness Semi hard > > PH 7.2 > > Water temp 77f > > > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost > taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. > > > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about > this same issue before but I treid everything in the book > nothings worked. > > > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae > there was none there > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by > clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a > time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com > for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to > read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com > to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:AquaticLife- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40541	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

yes that is correct bill the same fish minus 3 that i lost before the tank was redone. yes i clean the gravel within an inch, --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there ------------ --------- --------- ------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife- digest@yahoogrou ps.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife- nomail@yahoogrou ps.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife- normal@yahoogrou ps.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40542	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

What do you mean by you cleaned the gravel within an inch? As you may have seen in previous posts, a white cloudy water is frequently attributed to "new tank syndrome", the nitrogen cycle, nitrifying bacteria blooms, etc... but is also commonaly associated with heterotrophic bacterial blooms. These are not necessarily bad bacteria, although some of them are, but they are just part of the ecology that has to form in a tank when it's new or completely broken down as you did with yours. Usually, these blooms only last a few days to a week so I'm not sure why your last once lasted two weeks. This long article goes into more details about all of the various bacteria that have to become established in a typical aquarium during the startup of the nitrogen cycle. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Nitrogen_Cycle.html Increase the aeration of the tank (add air stones, lower the water level so your HOB splashes more or raise your HOB a little by putting something under it on the lip of the tank). Is it a planted tank? Did you use a particular substrate or just pea gravel or aquarium gravel? I know you mentioned putting a bunch of wisteria in the tank so as long as you plan on keeping it a planted tank, that is fine, but if you do not plan on keeping it at least moderately planted, then you will need to get the nitrogen cycle started by only removing a little bit of the plants at a time so the good nitrifying bacteria can grow larger colonies in your filter media to compensate for the removed plants. If you took out all the plants now, it would put your tank into a full blown start-up cycle. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water yes that is correct bill the same fish minus 3 that i lost before the tank was redone. yes i clean the gravel within an inch, --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@...> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40543	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

the only plant i took out Lenny was the wisteria it was taking almost half of the tank..also the bloom i got before the redid the tank killed 3 of my fishes the gorami a tetra one of my rainbow sharks --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:29 PM What do you mean by you cleaned the gravel within an inch? As you may have seen in previous posts, a white cloudy water is frequently attributed to "new tank syndrome", the nitrogen cycle, nitrifying bacteria blooms, etc... but is also commonaly associated with heterotrophic bacterial blooms. These are not necessarily bad bacteria, although some of them are, but they are just part of the ecology that has to form in a tank when it's new or completely broken down as you did with yours. Usually, these blooms only last a few days to a week so I'm not sure why your last once lasted two weeks. This long article goes into more details about all of the various bacteria that have to become established in a typical aquarium during the startup of the nitrogen cycle. http://www.american aquariumproducts .com/Nitrogen_ Cycle.html Increase the aeration of the tank (add air stones, lower the water level so your HOB splashes more or raise your HOB a little by putting something under it on the lip of the tank). Is it a planted tank? Did you use a particular substrate or just pea gravel or aquarium gravel? I know you mentioned putting a bunch of wisteria in the tank so as long as you plan on keeping it a planted tank, that is fine, but if you do not plan on keeping it at least moderately planted, then you will need to get the nitrogen cycle started by only removing a little bit of the plants at a time so the good nitrifying bacteria can grow larger colonies in your filter media to compensate for the removed plants. If you took out all the plants now, it would put your tank into a full blown start-up cycle. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water yes that is correct bill the same fish minus 3 that i lost before the tank was redone. yes i clean the gravel within an inch, --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40544	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

Here are the steps I took when redoing my tank   Empties the tank halfway Took all the plants out of the aquariumTook all the fish out of the aquariumtook the tank outside risen the gravel with a house still only a small amount of debris was left in the gravelfilled the tank halfway placed the plants back in the tankfill it upadded Calcium something to lower the ph added APi stress coat with aloe vera to remove chlorine and chloraminesAdded APi stress Zymewaited 12 hrs before placing fish in aquariumhad fish in 2 5g tanksClean out the filters except the bio filter placed 2 new carbon filter please the bubble stick back in the tankturn on heater   Here is all items and fish inside my 40g   Aquafin decoration log looking1 piece of driftwood cover in java moss and xmas mossjava fernwisteria Amazon sword4 pieces of slate rock2 pieces of terracotta1 bubble stoneand a 200w heater     1 Clown Loach 3 Panda Cory 1 Pepper Cory 1 Albino cory 3 Serpa tetras 3 Zevra Danios 4 Cardinal tetras 3 Neon Tetras 1 Common pleco ‘4 3 Sunburst Platys 2 Red velvet swoards 1 Black neon tetra   I hope this helps     --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:29 PM What do you mean by you cleaned the gravel within an inch? As you may have seen in previous posts, a white cloudy water is frequently attributed to "new tank syndrome", the nitrogen cycle, nitrifying bacteria blooms, etc... but is also commonaly associated with heterotrophic bacterial blooms. These are not necessarily bad bacteria, although some of them are, but they are just part of the ecology that has to form in a tank when it's new or completely broken down as you did with yours. Usually, these blooms only last a few days to a week so I'm not sure why your last once lasted two weeks. This long article goes into more details about all of the various bacteria that have to become established in a typical aquarium during the startup of the nitrogen cycle. http://www.american aquariumproducts .com/Nitrogen_ Cycle.html Increase the aeration of the tank (add air stones, lower the water level so your HOB splashes more or raise your HOB a little by putting something under it on the lip of the tank). Is it a planted tank? Did you use a particular substrate or just pea gravel or aquarium gravel? I know you mentioned putting a bunch of wisteria in the tank so as long as you plan on keeping it a planted tank, that is fine, but if you do not plan on keeping it at least moderately planted, then you will need to get the nitrogen cycle started by only removing a little bit of the plants at a time so the good nitrifying bacteria can grow larger colonies in your filter media to compensate for the removed plants. If you took out all the plants now, it would put your tank into a full blown start-up cycle. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water yes that is correct bill the same fish minus 3 that i lost before the tank was redone. yes i clean the gravel within an inch, --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40545	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

what color of cloudiness are you having for starters? I'm also confused did you add or take out the wisteria to the tank? Amber greychildren wrote: > > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness > got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass > you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf > gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the > water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > Water perimeters are fine > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio > filters > > Ammonia 0 > Nitrate 0 > Nitrite 0 > Hardness Semi hard > PH 7.2 > Water temp 77f > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank > to see if that will help nothing yet. > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue > before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none > there > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40546	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

take out Amber sorry for the confusing post --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:41 PM what color of cloudiness are you having for starters? I'm also confused did you add or take out the wisteria to the tank? Amber greychildren wrote: > > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness > got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass > you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf > gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the > water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > Water perimeters are fine > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio > filters > > Ammonia 0 > Nitrate 0 > Nitrite 0 > Hardness Semi hard > PH 7.2 > Water temp 77f > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank > to see if that will help nothing yet. > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue > before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none > there > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40547	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

Sounds to me like you should have left it in unless it was rotting and turning brown. Did it look healthy? Did you already throw the extra away or do you still have it to put back into the tank? Plants are always good for the tank and if the plant was well established it's going to actually hurt your cycling process more by removing so much of the plant at one time. Did you check all your ornaments carefully to make sure there wasn't anything dead hiding inside? Amber biG poppa wrote: > > > take out Amber sorry for the confusing post > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@... > <mailto:amber%40rose-fields.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:41 PM > > what color of cloudiness are you having for starters? > > I'm also confused did you add or take out the wisteria to the tank? > > Amber > > greychildren wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness > > > got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass > > > you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf > > > gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > > > > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the > > > water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > > > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > > > > > Water perimeters are fine > > > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio > > > filters > > > > > > Ammonia 0 > > > Nitrate 0 > > > Nitrite 0 > > > Hardness Semi hard > > > PH 7.2 > > > Water temp 77f > > > > > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank > > > to see if that will help nothing yet. > > > > > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue > > > before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > > > > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40548	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

What brand name product was your "cloudy water remover"? 99% of these products are NOT GOOD for our aquariums and/or fish. I would say 100% since I do not know of one that is good but maybe there is a good one out there that I just haven't come across. They usually contain some kind of coagulant (sticky stuff) that would bind with particulate in the water, making the particulate sink to the bottom to be vacuumed up. The problem is that most of the time, cloudy water is not due to particulates in the water column so the coagulant (sticky stuff) stays in the water column and/or can cause particulates to stick to our fish's gills. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greychildren Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. > > Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. > > > Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. > > Water perimeters are fine > Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio > filters > > Ammonia 0 > Nitrate 0 > Nitrite 0 > Hardness Semi hard > PH 7.2 > Water temp 77f > > I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. > > I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. > > I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none > there >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40549	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

Since this cloudiness is related to new tank syndrome and bacterial blooms, I don't think a diatom filter would be advised. We need these bacteria in our tanks and they are just in the water column while looking for a place to call home. I'm not sure a diatom filter would even remove bacteria. Purigen is a GREAT chemical filtration media but it will not do anything for this either... although it would provide lots of surface area for nitrifying bacteria but you don't want your N-bacteria relying on the Purigen since the Purigen will be getting cleaned on a frequent basis. It's best to run normal filter media like sponge, filter floss, bio-media, etc., to build the N-bacteria colonies in that media before adding Purigen or other chemical filtration. Further, chemical filtration isn't needed on most tanks that are properly maintained but Purigen is a good thing for heavily stocked tanks as it will help remove a lot more of the DOC's and other pollutants from the water... much better than using plain carbon. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harl Myers Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water A diatom filter would polish the water and remove the cloudyness. Also puregen is suppose to clear the water. You mention plants, what did you do about the substrate when you cleaned and re-did the tank? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:09 PM, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: > > > I even tried cloudy water remover forgot to place this in the post.... > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: >> >> Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness >> got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass >> you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf >> gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. >> >> Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for >> the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. >> >> >> Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. >> >> Water perimeters are fine >> Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio >> filters >> >> Ammonia 0 >> Nitrate 0 >> Nitrite 0 >> Hardness Semi hard >> PH 7.2 >> Water temp 77f >> >> I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the >> tank to see if that will help nothing yet. >> >> I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue >> before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. >> >> I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none >> there >> > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40550	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My ever adventures with cloudy water

OK. You need to get away from the bottled junk. I know the stores and the ads in fish magazines push this stuff on people but most of these bottled fixes simply are not needed or do not work as advertised. You mentioned the "cloudy water remover" and now the "calcium something" to lower the pH, which probably isn't even needed. While the API Stress-coat isn't the worst thing you can dump in a tank, it's not the best thing either. The Stress-Zyme is API's bottle bacteria that doesn't work as advertised. It simply has the WRONG kinds of bacteria in it. Read that long article I posted earlier. All of the stress-this, slime-that, this-and-that-zyme, aloe vera, etc., type products simply ARE NOT needed in aquariums. The Stress-Zyme is likely the cause of your bacterial blooms that you've been having. From what I recall, their product contains five or six different heterotrophic and anaerobic bacteria... NOT the nitrifying aerobic bacteria that are needed to start off a new tank and get the nitrogen cycle started. What are your tap water baseline parameters? More than likely, your tap water is fine and it's just a matter of keeping fish that do well with your type of water rather than trying to change it with bottled fixes... that do not work most of the time. Fresh, clean, plain water with a minimal amount of chemicals is the best thing for our fish. I use normal tap water which is full of all kinds of crap down here in N'Awlins. I use API Tap Water Conditioner (which is only a dechlor and heavy metal treatment... nothing else) or Top Fin Tap Water Dechlorinator (same thing... dechlor and heavy metal treatment). NOTHING ELSE as far as bottled chemicals from a pet store. I do add a pinch of salt per 10G and a dose of baking soda to my goldfish tank to increase the KH and the pinch of salt per 10G helps to increase gill function for them since goldfish are BIG users of O2 in the water and the KH level should be maintained in a goldfish tank and any other tank with BIG fish to prevent pH crashes between weekly tank maintenance. While most folks can simply use their normal tap water, I understand there are extreme tap water parameters and while it's best to keep fish that are compatible with ones tap water, if someone did want a particular fish with extreme water requirements and their tap water isn't sufficient, then there are things that need to be done but the solution is almost never found in a bottle off the shelf at the pet store. You will have to rehome some of the fish you have in the 40G. The Clown loach grows to over a foot long and the common pleco grows to 18"+. Also, Clown loaches (and most, if not all loaches) should be kept in shoals (groups) of at least three and larger shoals of six are even better. I realize they may be small now but you should make plans to move them to suitably sized homes. If you want/need an algae eating pleco, there are dwarf plecos that are good algae eaters like the Clown Pleco and Bristle Nose Pleco which are more suited for a 40G. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water Here are the steps I took when redoing my tank   Empties the tank halfway Took all the plants out of the aquariumTook all the fish out of the aquariumtook the tank outside risen the gravel with a house still only a small amount of debris was left in the gravelfilled the tank halfway placed the plants back in the tankfill it upadded Calcium something to lower the ph added APi stress coat with aloe vera to remove chlorine and chloraminesAdded APi stress Zymewaited 12 hrs before placing fish in aquariumhad fish in 2 5g tanksClean out the filters except the bio filter placed 2 new carbon filter please the bubble stick back in the tankturn on heater   Here is all items and fish inside my 40g   Aquafin decoration log looking1 piece of driftwood cover in java moss and xmas mossjava fernwisteria Amazon sword4 pieces of slate rock2 pieces of terracotta1 bubble stoneand a 200w heater     1 Clown Loach 3 Panda Cory 1 Pepper Cory 1 Albino cory 3 Serpa tetras 3 Zevra Danios 4 Cardinal tetras 3 Neon Tetras 1 Common pleco ‘4 3 Sunburst Platys 2 Red velvet swoards 1 Black neon tetra   I hope this helps     --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:29 PM What do you mean by you cleaned the gravel within an inch? As you may have seen in previous posts, a white cloudy water is frequently attributed to "new tank syndrome", the nitrogen cycle, nitrifying bacteria blooms, etc... but is also commonaly associated with heterotrophic bacterial blooms. These are not necessarily bad bacteria, although some of them are, but they are just part of the ecology that has to form in a tank when it's new or completely broken down as you did with yours. Usually, these blooms only last a few days to a week so I'm not sure why your last once lasted two weeks. This long article goes into more details about all of the various bacteria that have to become established in a typical aquarium during the startup of the nitrogen cycle. http://www.american aquariumproducts .com/Nitrogen_ Cycle.html Increase the aeration of the tank (add air stones, lower the water level so your HOB splashes more or raise your HOB a little by putting something under it on the lip of the tank). Is it a planted tank? Did you use a particular substrate or just pea gravel or aquarium gravel? I know you mentioned putting a bunch of wisteria in the tank so as long as you plan on keeping it a planted tank, that is fine, but if you do not plan on keeping it at least moderately planted, then you will need to get the nitrogen cycle started by only removing a little bit of the plants at a time so the good nitrifying bacteria can grow larger colonies in your filter media to compensate for the removed plants. If you took out all the plants now, it would put your tank into a full blown start-up cycle. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of biG poppa Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:57 PM To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water yes that is correct bill the same fish minus 3 that i lost before the tank was redone. yes i clean the gravel within an inch, --- On Wed, 5/27/09, bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: bill1433 <warrenprint@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Now, though, you have an exact starting point.   Some simple rules?  You did not say anything about additions only what you lost so I am assuming that the same fish (amount and type) are back in this tank?  I would not plan more at this time.   If you did a complete tear-down then I also assume you cleaned the gravel within an inch of its life?   Since you had no control over the filters, you had to do as necessary.   I think most of the "senior" (Knowledge NOT Age!) members will agree here, you have had some type of bacteria problem.   My first thought with the new tank would be this:  If at all possible, take the total number of fish you have, cut in in half for now and put them somewhere else if you can.  Y?  Your feeding them right?  They give off Ammonia right?  Regardless of what your test kit tells you, the less fish you have the better when re-starting or Re-CYCLING a tank.  If you did not use any of Doctor Tim's products like One And Only, your recycling a tank.    Add the fish back one at a time later when the water clears.  Both my 29 and 20 long cleared almost to the same time for me, 31 days.  Watch the amount of, and what type of, food you fed for right now, be very sparing.  Bacteria always have an origin, they just do not magically appear.  Sometimes the problem is never solved!  As in my case, the tanks cleared by themselves.  Either you had a dead fish you don't remember or a bad plant but something caused your problem.   By working along slowly,having patience, and following good aquarium practices your problem will clear up.   Bill --- On Wed, 5/27/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] My ever adventures with cloudy water To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:04 PM Well I had tear down my tank about a week ago. Sense the cloudiness got so bad that if you placed your hand inside the tank on the glass you could not see it. I lost one of my fish the powder red dwarf gorami before I could tear down the set up and redo it. Like Lenny and Steve and Bill advised me to wait for two weeks for the water to clear up. It took two months before I took down the tank. Its up and rerunning now but GUESS WHAT ITS CLOUDY AGAIN!. Water perimeters are fine Also replaced with a pair of new filters did not rinse the black bio filters Ammonia 0 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Hardness Semi hard PH 7.2 Water temp 77f I took a large bundle of wisteria that was almost taking half the tank to see if that will help nothing yet. I'm at the end of the rope I know we have talk about this same issue before but I treid everything in the book nothings worked. I even tried the coffee filter test to check for algae there was none there

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40551	From: dani_in_nd	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank -another question

When putting goldfish into an outside pond, would you just catch them with your net in the tank put them into a bucket and then just release them as nice and possible into the pond or do you need to do the whole plastic bag thing and get them used to the water temp first (I suppose without frying them in the sun in the process, lol.) Thanks, Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "pkr772" <tkr772@...> wrote: > > I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40552	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Goldfish/ larger tank -another question

I would acclimate them to the pond water while they are still in the tank by doing a series of 10% PWC's (partial water changes) but each time, use some of the pond water to refill the tank. In fact, doing this over a period of many weeks will also help the tank goldfish build up a resistance to any pathogens that are in the pond so they'll be less likely to get sick after being moved. Once the tank water and pond water have very similar water chemistry and temperature (if you make the move at a time of day when the pond temperature is within 2F of the tank), then you can just get a bucket of pond water (take it's temp also to make sure it's similar), bring it in the house and net the goldfish right into the bucket of pond water. Then bring the bucket out to the pond and release the fish. If the pond is a lot cooler (or warmer) than the tank, then the tank temperature would have to be slowly changed (no more than 2F per day) to make it closer to the pond's temperature, prior to doing the above process. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dani_in_nd Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Goldfish/ larger tank -another question When putting goldfish into an outside pond, would you just catch them with your net in the tank put them into a bucket and then just release them as nice and possible into the pond or do you need to do the whole plastic bag thing and get them used to the water temp first (I suppose without frying them in the sun in the process, lol.) Thanks, Dani in ND --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "pkr772" <tkr772@...> wrote: > > I understand my aquarium is too small to house goldfish for very long. I'm planning on moving them to an outdoor pond soon. Isn't there a formula for inches of fish per gallon of water? I'm planning on trying out some tropical fish next. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40553	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

Your math skills are right on the money! That is 40 fishalolic tanks! I have to assume you have a system for maintenance... Do you have any plumbing added to cover the tanks for water change? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: > > > 120    i have 2 120s /6 55's/3 40s/10 30s/   7 20s/  6 15s/ 4 10s / 2 5s > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: > > From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:20 PM > > I can see that! > > What size tank do you have the 2 oscars in? And how big are they? > > Oh yeah, welcome to the group! :o) > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> hehehe   i am a fishaholic > >> > >> kim carmean > >> > >> CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > >> > >> http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > >> > >> http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > >> > >> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM > >> > >> Hi Kim, > >> > >> Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" >> LOL > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >> > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> com] > >> On > >> > >> Behalf Of kim > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM > >> > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > >> > >> http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my > >> > >> home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40554	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BH

WHAT?  There goes my retiring to Maine plans!   Chris Owens in VA --- On Wed, 5/27/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:40 PM koi is illegal in maine  and even any  outside private ponds with any type of fish are illegal. and so is a fountain or pool with any live fish.  it sux kim carmean Recent Activity  10 New Members  1 New FilesVisit Your Group Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Discover Car Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Group Charity Hands On Network Volunteering has never been so easy . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40555	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

I really think it is, you could set it up a filter on each side with a connecting bench complete with a drawer to stash pond supplies to keep them safe/secure but still be right where you need them.  I'm seeing lots of possibilities for this...  :)   Chris Owens in Va --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Kuradi Eit <kuradi8@...> wrote: From: Kuradi Eit <kuradi8@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:52 AM Ooooooh! Isn't that tastefully done?!? And I'm surprised that a Colorado yard can be so LUSH. ~Kai --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Chris Owens" <chris_o_p@. ..> wrote: > > Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think > > Chris Owens in Northern VA > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40556	From: me	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

It says in the article that the deck and flower box are made with redwood that has never been stained but is maintained with regular cleanings. and the under deck is made with treated wood. haven't had time to read the whole article but it sure is beautiful. You can't have koi in Maine? Sure glad I dont live there. Our koi and pond give us so much pleasure even though it doesn't look like that. Betti-A Jersey Girl betti@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40557	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Introduction from new member - Kim

no nothing each tanks has a light hood filter heater  its hard to keep up w/ them but i manage i do get 2 or 3 that get cloudy that i cant figure out why and 1 that gets green (infront of window)   kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> wrote: From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 6:52 AM Your math skills are right on the money! That is 40 fishalolic tanks! I have to assume you have a system for maintenance. .. Do you have any plumbing added to cover the tanks for water change? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > 120    i have 2 120s /6 55's/3 40s/10 30s/   7 20s/  6 15s/ 4 10s / 2 5s > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harl Myers <uneekfish@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@gmail. com> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:20 PM > > I can see that! > > What size tank do you have the 2 oscars in? And how big are they? > > Oh yeah, welcome to the group! :o) > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> hehehe   i am a fishaholic > >> > >> kim carmean > >> > >> CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > >> > >> http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > >> > >> http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > >> > >> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> wrote: > >> > >> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@gmail. com> > >> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:07 PM > >> > >> Hi Kim, > >> > >> Shouldn't you have ended your introduction with "and I'm a fishaholic!" >> LOL > >> > >> Lenny Vasbinder > >> > >> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com > >> > >> (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > >> > >> side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ yahoogroups. >> com] > >> On > >> > >> Behalf Of kim > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:25 PM > >> > >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > >> > >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Introduction from new member - Kim > >> > >> http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ i am kim i have 40 aquariums in my > >> > >> home over 60 species of cichlid. i buy sell trade > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40558	From: janis_chrystal	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Fish Eggs

we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40559	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

every time i got a corey catfish it laid eggs al over the glass  they all died every time   not sure if this is what you have kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Thu, 5/28/09, janis_chrystal <jan1213@...> wrote: From: janis_chrystal <jan1213@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 7:40 PM we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40560	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

also u cannot let air touch them kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Thu, 5/28/09, janis_chrystal <jan1213@...> wrote: From: janis_chrystal <jan1213@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 7:40 PM we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40561	From: Debra	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

WOW! I would love to have that set up in my back yard. Does the article include plans? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Owens" <chris_o_p@...> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:14:42 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file format, Let me know what you think Chris Owens in Northern VA --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> wrote: > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better Homes & Gardens�website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it into the photo album section of the site so everyone can see it.� > � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40562	From: kim	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send link

i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send link

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40563	From: Chris Owens-Polski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

No, unfortunately not.  LOL, that would have been FAR too convenient!!!   Chris Owens in VA --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Debra <dmelton2@...> wrote: From: Debra <dmelton2@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:14 PM WOW! I would love to have that set up in my back yard. Does the article include plans? Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40564	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply

From my congressman: Thank you for contacting me in opposition of H.R. 669, the Non-native Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. I appreciate having the benefit of your views. Introduced by Representative Madeleine Bordallo (GU), H.R. 669 seeks to prevent the introduction of wildlife species to the United States that are not native species and negatively impact the economy, environment, human health and other animal species. H.R. 669 directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish a process for assessing the risk of all non-native wildlife species proposed for importation into the United States. Most recently, H.R. 669 was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources. While I do not serve on this committee, rest assured that I will remember your views should this legislation come before the full House of Representatives for a vote. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40565	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Severum behavior

I think I have figured out why my severum has been acting oddly off and on. Every time my Angelfish lay eggs he goes into hiding along with the rest of the tank ;). I have been watching him and when they do not have eggs to guard he acts just like normal, as soon as they go into protective mode he starts hiding. And for such a big fish he seems to hide rather well! LOL. I've walked up to the tank and watched the tank for a few minutes just to realize someone is missing in the "picture" and searched the whole tank, just to have my severum pop out of hiding after a few minutes when he noticed me watching ;). He hasn't been acting oddly at feeding time anymore, even with the angel's acting like they do ;) I still have my 2 "bent" old female guppy's and I think they may just be old as they eat just fine and socialize just fine and swim just fine as well. Does anyone know what causes fish TB? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40566	From: Aquaticz	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Take care from Aquaticz-----> Re: Coolest looking koi pond with

Hello All, Just wanted to say I am leaving this group. I don't like to disappear without saying good bye. I thank all for freely sharing your knowledge & experience. May life be good to one & all. Regards, Aquaticz At 03:32 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: >Aquaticz, > >You know the Republik of Kalifornia is a lot different than the rest of >America as far as their laws go... especially environmental laws... but yes, >most States and Regions have standardized building codes where they all >adapt certain parts of other building codes. I'm not sure the other States >are as worried about environmental impact of building materials compared to >Kalifornia. Just like you guys want to have five cars for every person but >you don't want to drill offshore for all that black gold lying off your >coasts. Florida is the same way... they want all the tourists driving down >to Florida but they don't want to drill for any of that black gold off of >their enormous coastline either... but that's OK... we'll keep selling you >ours... although I propose adding a MUCH higher SIN tax to States that will >not drill for their own oil, when they have proven reserves. OK.. enough >blathering about the environment and black gold. LOL > >I know that they have safer treated woods available and these products are >required to be used on things like playgrounds and wherever children may >come into frequent contact with the materials... so I'm sure the schools >would use this "safer" treated lumber as well. > >The current YellaWood website, which is one of the BIG distributors of >building materials down here, shows they use ACQ for their treatment >preservative. ><http://www.greatsouthernwood.com/products/ACQ>http://www.greatsouthernwood.com/products/ACQ >ACQ Treated Wood from Great Southern Wood >Wood products treated with ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) preservatives >are available to retailers, consumers, builders and architects for outdoor >building projects that require protection against rot, fungal decay and >termite attack. ACQ treated products have been commercially used since 1991 >throughout Europe, Asia, and the United States. and can be used for many >backyard and commercial projects such as decks, fences and >landscaping...."(END SNIP) > >It still sounds like something that shouldn't be possibly leaching into a >pond. > >Lenny Vasbinder >Fish Blog - <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right >side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Aquaticz >Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:04 PM >To: <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside >waterfall planters in BHG magazine > >Treated lumber has new provisions via the 2007 building codes - you need to >look at a reference called AWPA. In short this code is nation wide as all >codes are now. Various states & localities can make it harder but can't fall >below the requirements of the Building Code. I'd look it up but my copy is >at home. BTW I am a State Inspector for California, I work on public schools >:-) Regards, Aquaticz > >At 10:51 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: > > >Below is the LONG link to your PDF file under the name "filter box.pdf" > >in the files section of the group, if the link breaks. For others > >looking, it's on the bottom of this page > ><<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLif > e/files/>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/>http://pets.grou > >ps.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/ > >right now. > > > ><<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQ > a1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Az>http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKFoFE3Az > >u8aEk-><http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiY > ytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKF>http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kHEdSsNwiYytdnEQa1GNyc6K_h6agMKuDKF > >oFE3Azu8aEk- 0eLtPXZFmkeFuxJAp2DCBLyCuKKrzZUPV-JRr/filter%20box.pdf > > > >They sure look like they finished that deck with some kind of shellac > >or other finish that is now flaking/peeling off in some areas (but read > >down further). If this was only over the ground, it wouldn't be a > >problem but since the deck and the box covering the waterfall is set up > >as an overhang over the pond, it would probably be much better to have > >a natural finish or use composite materials for the deck. Even if it's > >only a stain or sealer of some sort, those only last a couple of years > >so they would start rinsing/leaching out of the wood and some of it > >would go into the pond. If it was only a planted pond, no problem.. but > >with fish in the pond, not a good idea. > > > >In reading the article, I read where it says the "deck is redwood and > >has never been stained, but it gets regular cleanings to make it last. > >Treated lumber was used for the understructure, which is as solid today > >as the day it was built". The treated lumber is probably not a good > >idea to have over the pond to avoid the leaching of preservative > >chemicals (chromium, copper and arsenic based chemicals, a/k/a "heavy > >metals" are used for most treated lumber - > ><<http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html>http://www. > cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html>http://www.cpsc.gov/phth/cca.html > >although there are other safer > >options available nowadays). > > > >Lenny Vasbinder > >Fish Blog - > ><<http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenn > y.blogspot.com>http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > >(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > >right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > >Year, Month) > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: > ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:A > quaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Owens > >Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:15 AM > >To: > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside > >waterfall planters in BHG magazine > > > >Pictures posted under "files" I dropped the scan into a .pdf file > >format, Let me know what you think > > > >Chris Owens in Northern VA > > > >--- In > ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:A > quaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, > >Chris Owens-Polski <chris_o_p@...> > >wrote: > > > > > > I've been looking but there doesn't seem to be out on the Better > > > Homes & Gardens website, I'm going to scan it in tonight and drop it > > > into the > >photo album section of the site so everyone can see it. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40567	From: jett07002	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

Tetra eggs on the glass? I don't think so. Probably the catfish. Since they are on the glass, your only alternative is to take the fish out of the tank. If that's not possible, just leave them there and hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. I had a friend years back that said he used to take the eggs off the glass with a razor blade and hatched them in another tank. Do not know if this was prevarication on his part since all the guys in the club would come up with a story of their extraordinary accomplishments. Some I suppose were true, but I cannot verify this one since I never tried it (do not intend to, either) and I never saw any of the babies. joe t

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40568	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

If the only types of fish you have in the tank are various Tetras and 2 Catfish (presumedly, Corydoras of some species, form what you're describing of the eggs), these eggs would have to be from the Catfish as Joe T has said, if they're Cory's. Tetras are egg-scatterers and do not purposefully press their eggs onto any surface but just deposit them in plant thickets. You might try removing them with a razor blade, as I too have heard done, although I can't verify success with this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "janis_chrystal" <jan1213@...> wrote: > > we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40569	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

you sure there not snail eggs? do you have natural plants in your tank? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 2:20 PM If the only types of fish you have in the tank are various Tetras and 2 Catfish (presumedly, Corydoras of some species, form what you're describing of the eggs), these eggs would have to be from the Catfish as Joe T has said, if they're Cory's. Tetras are egg-scatterers and do not purposefully press their eggs onto any surface but just deposit them in plant thickets. You might try removing them with a razor blade, as I too have heard done, although I can't verify success with this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "janis_chrystal" <jan1213@... > wrote: > > we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40570	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior

Fiah TB is caused by any one of at least three different (but similar) Micobacteria species -- M. marimun (marine environment), M. fortuitum and M. chelonea (fresh-water environments). These are water-borne bacteria and just like any other pathogens, they will infect fish at the opportunity when the fish's immune system is weakest due to stress. Unfortunately, it is not easily treatable as, although they are recognized to be gram-positive bacteria, they are referred to as such only in the loosest context of that grouping (they are really classified seperately as acid-fast gram positive bacteria). While many antibiotics will act on bacteria in breaking down their cell walls to decimate them, these bacteria have a waxy substance as part of the structure of their cell walls, which "myco" refers to (myco = wax). This wax prevents staining in determining whether the bacteria is gram-positive or gram-negative, but more importantly in treatment, there are relatively few antibiotics that will break down and get past this waxy substance. I only know of two sure medications, and they're not in the aquarium trade but would have to be obtained from a vet; these are Clarithromycin and Rifamycin. Luckily, although not described as being effective against TB, the excellent antibiotic Kanamycyn (found as SeaChem's KanaPlex) in combination with vitamin B-6 is often successful for treating this, and may be tried in the absence of the above two meds. As with any contageous fish disease, the fish should be quarantined -- and the treatment is to be administered for 30 days. These antibiotics will break down this waxy cell constituent of these bacteria even of those found in the water column and on the various internal surfaces, but to guard against possible reinfection, ANY and ALL objects (hoses, nets, etc.) that were used in such infected tanks need to be disinfected. When disinfecting any of these utensils, chlorine bleach will NOT be effective until the bacteria's portective wax shielding is first disolved. This may be accomplished with either Alchohol or Acetone although I'm not sure if all nets will stand up to an acetone bath. The problem with these Guppies may not necessarily be Fish TB, just because of what is manifested in them (bent spines), although this is one symptom that may appear. A wasting appearance usually accompanies such a malady; with Fish TB. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > I think I have figured out why my severum has been acting oddly off and > on. Every time my Angelfish lay eggs he goes into hiding along with the > rest of the tank ;). I have been watching him and when they do not have > eggs to guard he acts just like normal, as soon as they go into > protective mode he starts hiding. And for such a big fish he seems to > hide rather well! LOL. I've walked up to the tank and watched the tank > for a few minutes just to realize someone is missing in the "picture" > and searched the whole tank, just to have my severum pop out of hiding > after a few minutes when he noticed me watching ;). > He hasn't been acting oddly at feeding time anymore, even with the > angel's acting like they do ;) I still have my 2 "bent" old female > guppy's and I think they may just be old as they eat just fine and > socialize just fine and swim just fine as well. Does anyone know what > causes fish TB? > > Amber >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40571	From: Debra	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

Hi Joe: When I have wanted baby cory's I have successfully removed the eggs from the glass and dropped them into my cherry shrimp tank where they hatched and grew just fine. The absolute easiest way to remove the eggs is to get a container and a piece of airline tubing. Start a siphone and vacuume the eggs off the glass (gently) and pour them into the tank where you want them to hatch. This method is so successful I still have lots of cory's in my tanks. I just have to say no more babies. There must be something "in the water" at my house because we now have over 60 baby mollies with a pair of black sailfins I just received from the. LFS. In regards to the previous post, I agree they are more likely to be cory eggs than tetras. Deb OS, MS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "jett07002" <jett07002@...> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:57:39 To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Eggs Tetra eggs on the glass? I don't think so. Probably the catfish. Since they are on the glass, your only alternative is to take the fish out of the tank. If that's not possible, just leave them there and hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. I had a friend years back that said he used to take the eggs off the glass with a razor blade and hatched them in another tank. Do not know if this was prevarication on his part since all the guys in the club would come up with a story of their extraordinary accomplishments. Some I suppose were true, but I cannot verify this one since I never tried it (do not intend to, either) and I never saw any of the babies. joe t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40572	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

i wrote when she 1st posted about the eggs      my catfish a  coreycat always lays eggs on the glass little white ones   they always die there is  no other catfish to fertilize them .  i only have 1 catfish in the tank kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Eggs To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 2:28 PM you sure there not snail eggs? do you have natural plants in your tank? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fish Eggs To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 2:20 PM If the only types of fish you have in the tank are various Tetras and 2 Catfish (presumedly, Corydoras of some species, form what you're describing of the eggs), these eggs would have to be from the Catfish as Joe T has said, if they're Cory's. Tetras are egg-scatterers and do not purposefully press their eggs onto any surface but just deposit them in plant thickets. You might try removing them with a razor blade, as I too have heard done, although I can't verify success with this. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "janis_chrystal" <jan1213@... > wrote: > > we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·%C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40573	From: greychildren	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: can you name this fish

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1342895254/pic/1077881682/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40574	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: greychildren <greychildren@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1342895254/pic/1077881682/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40575	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? Amber Deenerz@... wrote: > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: greychildren <greychildren@... > <mailto:greychildren%40yahoo.com>> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1342895254/pic/1077881682/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1342895254/pic/1077881682/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > what do you guys think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40576	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

looks like a severum to me...also it very aggressive...poor coral lays eggs every months guards them for 3 weeks..then eats then..i wanted to get this fish some company sense shes the only one in my 20g tank..... --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 5:48 PM I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? Amber Deenerz@aol. com wrote: > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com > <mailto:greychildre n%40yahoo. com>> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc> > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > what do you guys think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40577	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

coral is orange on the sides sorry about the pic shes not very photogenic..lol --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 5:48 PM I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? Amber Deenerz@aol. com wrote: > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com > <mailto:greychildre n%40yahoo. com>> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc> > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > what do you guys think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40578	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/blood-parrot-heros-severus-x-amphilophus-citrinellum.html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/red-severum.html  looks like severum to me kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@...> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40579	From: J. Ford	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: California bill SB250

(MOD NOTE - Please provide a link or a copy/paste of the summary. I had to Google this myself to see if it was even group related. Link to AKC page below your sig as well as a link to a YesOnSB250 web page. It's more about Cats & Dogs, than fish, but still in context with informing folks about what we will have to fight against over and over again with our fish.) Fwd'd from the showdobes list. Today California bill SB250 passed through the Appropriations Committee and is now headed for the Senate floor. The legislators voted along party lines. The Democrats voted 7 to Republicans 5. This is so sad. Permission to cross post. -- Janet Ford Ehow Authority Writer http://www.ehow.com/members/showpup.html http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=3750 (SNIP) California State Senator Dean Florez has introduced Senate Bill 250, a measure that purports to reduce shelter populations, but would in reality make it easier to revoke licenses for intact dogs and cats in California. This legislation will not improve the lives of cats and dogs, will negatively impact responsible owners and breeders, and by placing additional burdens on owners of intact animals, may lead to an increase of animals in shelters. (END SNIP) And now the AR (Animal Rights) support: http://www.yesonsb250.com/sb250-home.php (SNIP) SB 250 provides a reasonable, fiscally responsible step towards reducing pet overpopulation in California. The bill simply requires that dogs be spayed or neutered unless their owner/guardian obtains an unaltered dog license when they license their animal. (END SNIP)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40580	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40581	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

i have about 20 severums  yellow red shouldered  orange  red   and green kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:22 PM coral is orange on the sides sorry about the pic shes not very photogenic.. lol --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> wrote: From: Amber Berglund <amber@rose-fields. com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 5:48 PM I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? Amber Deenerz@aol. com wrote: > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com > <mailto:greychildre n%40yahoo. com>> > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc> > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > what do you guys think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40582	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

these are my fish   http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40583	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fish Eggs

Did you get some live plants too? What kind of catfish and tetras? I think most commonly sold tetras are egg scatterers so their eggs would not be stuck to the glass... same with many catfish but there are hundreds (probably thousands) of species and it's important to know exactly what species you have as adult size catfish can be as little as 1" or as big as SIX FEET long. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janis_chrystal Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:40 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Eggs we recently purchased some tetras, and 2 catfish.... not even a week. I seen some sorta white eggs all over the glass. I am assuming these are tetra eggs...How soon will they hatch and what do I do? I am supposing I need a fry net? How do I retrieve the eggs without hurting them? Thanks Janis

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40584	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

wow you have all kinds of ciclids beautiful discus remind me of my buddy down here that runs a discus hatchery..so do u think if i get a male severum the eggs shes lays every month will be fertilize?  i mean she lays about 100 its kind of funny cause she looses all her color before she lays all the eggs........ --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:58 PM these are my fish   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40585	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send l

I'm a day and a half behind on doing emails due to work. Here's the link in case you missed my earlier post and if nobody else has replied. Go here... http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/ and scroll down to the bottom of the folders in the files section. You'll see a lone file, not in a folder, with the name "filter box.pdf. That is the article. Here's the link to the file but Yahoo Groups will probably break the link. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EIUgSmFlKTqMrqY0kdCJKSFTZodgXfv-9txOKfi8OJIs0e5 K42tevtnN4apvK0-olP7Prmly332iAYj1vQ3F/filter%20box.pdf Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kim Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send link i want to see the koi pond everyones writing about please send link

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40586	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply

Your Congressman obviously did not read the bill and is relying on talking points given to him/her by supporters of H.R. 669... namely the language "AND negatively impact the economy, environment, human health and other animal species" as this language is NOT what H.R. 669 really says... especially the part about the economy. Those are simply buzz words to try and get folks to say.. "Oh.. that sounds like a good thing"... when it would really have a severely BAD impact on the economy for folks in the pet industry... and we're talking millions of jobs nationwide. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] H.R. 669 Congressman Reply From my congressman: Thank you for contacting me in opposition of H.R. 669, the Non-native Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. I appreciate having the benefit of your views. Introduced by Representative Madeleine Bordallo (GU), H.R. 669 seeks to prevent the introduction of wildlife species to the United States that are not native species and negatively impact the economy, environment, human health and other animal species. H.R. 669 directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish a process for assessing the risk of all non-native wildlife species proposed for importation into the United States. Most recently, H.R. 669 was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources. While I do not serve on this committee, rest assured that I will remember your views should this legislation come before the full House of Representatives for a vote.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40587	From: cat.rose	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Platy is bloated

Hi there! I'm new to aquatic life. I have 3 guppies, 2 GloFish & 2 Platys in a 10 gal tank. When I bought the platys I asked them to pick out 2 of the same sex, so I believe they're both males. One is a little plumper than the other, but I noticed today that he seems to be getting more bloated looking. He acts healthy, is eating ok, etc. Is there a way to tell if he's sick, and if so what do I do? Thanks! Catherine

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40588	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior

These Aquarticle's go into detail about Fish TB (tuberculosis), which is caused by Mycobacteria. It's not the same as human tuberculosis although Fish TB is contagious to humans. http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Tank_Safety.html (by a retired Ph.D. who was the Aquarium Supervisor for the Biloxi, MS. Public Aquarium) And another FAQ article from this same doctor (Ph.D) but hosted on another site. For some reason, Aquarticles search feature isn't working tonight as I wanted to find the original. http://www.calypsofishworld.org/articles/management/Lawler_Mycobacterium_fis h_tuberculosis_FAQ.html I thought you got a new tank for your Angelfish? I bet the rest of the fish will be happy when that grouchy pair are moved. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Severum behavior I think I have figured out why my severum has been acting oddly off and on. Every time my Angelfish lay eggs he goes into hiding along with the rest of the tank ;). I have been watching him and when they do not have eggs to guard he acts just like normal, as soon as they go into protective mode he starts hiding. And for such a big fish he seems to hide rather well! LOL. I've walked up to the tank and watched the tank for a few minutes just to realize someone is missing in the "picture" and searched the whole tank, just to have my severum pop out of hiding after a few minutes when he noticed me watching ;). He hasn't been acting oddly at feeding time anymore, even with the angel's acting like they do ;) I still have my 2 "bent" old female guppy's and I think they may just be old as they eat just fine and socialize just fine and swim just fine as well. Does anyone know what causes fish TB? Amber ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40589	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior

Yes I got a new tank for the angel's but I haven't gotten the stand built to put it on, and the hubby doesn't want me putting water and fish in it without a tank ;) Could end up being the kitty fishing tank otherwise ;) I will check out the links, thanks. Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > These Aquarticle's go into detail about Fish TB (tuberculosis), which is > caused by Mycobacteria. It's not the same as human tuberculosis although > Fish TB is contagious to humans. > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html > <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html> > > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Tank_Safety.html > <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Tank_Safety.html> > (by a > retired Ph.D. who was the Aquarium Supervisor for the Biloxi, MS. Public > Aquarium) > > And another FAQ article from this same doctor (Ph.D) but hosted on another > site. For some reason, Aquarticles search feature isn't working tonight as > I wanted to find the original. > > http://www.calypsofishworld.org/articles/management/Lawler_Mycobacterium_fis > <http://www.calypsofishworld.org/articles/management/Lawler_Mycobacterium_fis> > h_tuberculosis_FAQ.html > > I thought you got a new tank for your Angelfish? I bet the rest of the > fish > will be happy when that grouchy pair are moved. LOL > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:51 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Severum behavior > > I think I have figured out why my severum has been acting oddly off > and on. > Every time my Angelfish lay eggs he goes into hiding along with the > rest of > the tank ;). I have been watching him and when they do not have eggs to > guard he acts just like normal, as soon as they go into protective mode he > starts hiding. And for such a big fish he seems to hide rather well! LOL. > I've walked up to the tank and watched the tank for a few minutes just to > realize someone is missing in the "picture" > and searched the whole tank, just to have my severum pop out of hiding > after > a few minutes when he noticed me watching ;). > He hasn't been acting oddly at feeding time anymore, even with the angel's > acting like they do ;) I still have my 2 "bent" old female guppy's and I > think they may just be old as they eat just fine and socialize just > fine and > swim just fine as well. > > Does anyone know what causes fish TB? > > Amber > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the > home page. > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> for the No E-Mail option > where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40590	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Severum behavior

Oops.. forgot these others on Fish TB, including one by Diana Walstad. http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/el-natural/47682-my-talk-present ation-fish-tb-disease.html which is the thread and the article is available as a PDF file here... http://thegab.org/Articles/WalstadMyco_APC.pdf And another good one I have in my favorites. http://www.flippersandfins.net/FishTankGranuloma.htm Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Severum behavior I think I have figured out why my severum has been acting oddly off and on. Every time my Angelfish lay eggs he goes into hiding along with the rest of the tank ;). I have been watching him and when they do not have eggs to guard he acts just like normal, as soon as they go into protective mode he starts hiding. And for such a big fish he seems to hide rather well! LOL. I've walked up to the tank and watched the tank for a few minutes just to realize someone is missing in the "picture" and searched the whole tank, just to have my severum pop out of hiding after a few minutes when he noticed me watching ;). He hasn't been acting oddly at feeding time anymore, even with the angel's acting like they do ;) I still have my 2 "bent" old female guppy's and I think they may just be old as they eat just fine and socialize just fine and swim just fine as well. Does anyone know what causes fish TB? Amber

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40591	From: cheryl smith	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG

will you send me the link too chersmi@... please --- On Thu, 5/28/09, me <betti@...> wrote: From: me <betti@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Coolest looking koi pond with deckside waterfall planters in BHG magazine To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 7:23 AM It says in the article that the deck and flower box are made with redwood that has never been stained but is maintained with regular cleanings. and the under deck is made with treated wood. haven't had time to read the whole article but it sure is beautiful. You can't have koi in Maine? Sure glad I dont live there. Our koi and pond give us so much pleasure even though it doesn't look like that. Betti-A Jersey Girl betti@optonline. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40592	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

THERES A GOOD CHANCE  I HAD AFRICANS BABIES   LOTS OF CONVICT BABIES  AND TEXAS CICHLID BABIES A LOT kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:21 PM wow you have all kinds of ciclids beautiful discus remind me of my buddy down here that runs a discus hatchery..so do u think if i get a male severum the eggs shes lays every month will be fertilize?  i mean she lays about 100 its kind of funny cause she looses all her color before she lays all the eggs........ --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:58 PM these are my fish   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: biG poppa <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd what do you guys think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40593	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: H.R. 669 Congressman Reply

Pretty much standard boiler plate stuff here. "Thank you for contacting me in [insert position here] of [insert bill name here]. I appreciate having the benefit of your views. "[Insert bill summary here]. "Most recently, [insert bill ID] was [insert last action]. While I do not serve on this committee, rest assured that I will remember your views should this legislation come before the full House of Representatives for a vote." The last sentence indicates that he can do nothing for you until bill comes to House vote, but the office has a tally of pro and con letters for this bill, and you are on it (probably ranked by contribution amount). \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] H.R. 669 Congressman Reply From my congressman: Thank you for contacting me in opposition of H.R. 669, the Non-native Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. I appreciate having the benefit of your views. Introduced by Representative Madeleine Bordallo (GU), H.R. 669 seeks to prevent the introduction of wildlife species to the United States that are not native species and negatively impact the economy, environment, human health and other animal species. H.R. 669 directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish a process for assessing the risk of all non-native wildlife species proposed for importation into the United States. Most recently, H.R. 669 was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources. While I do not serve on this committee, rest assured that I will remember your views should this legislation come before the full House of Representatives for a vote. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page. Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40594	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

From what little I can see of this fish in the left background at an oblique angle, it appears to be a species of Severum -- more specifically, Heros sp. "Rotkeil" (in German, literally "Red Wedge"), also more commonly called Red-Shoulder Severum from the red wedge-shaped diagonal band from the back of its head, and down past the back of the gill plates. A better photo might help in a more definite identification, but from what is shown, this is what it most closely resembles. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "greychildren" <greychildren@...> wrote: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/album/1342895254/pic/1077881682/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > what do you guys think? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40595	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

I fail to see how she guards her eggs for 3 weeks. After the first two days they will turn white without being fertilized, and by the third day they will have accumulated a good amount of fungus -- only to have it increasing during the first week. By the beginning of the second week, they will be well rotted and it would be at least somewhat doubtful that there would be anything left of them by the end of the second week (or well before). Generally, such Cichlids will abandon the spawn well before the second week after seeing the spawn fail (not hatch -- accumulate fungus), and devour them shortly thereafter in preparation for spawning anew. Perhaps there aren't enough PWC's being made to promote the stimulation to spawn again -- not that this would help her in her determined plight. By "company" I assume you mean a mate (male) for Coral. If this is your plan, be advised first of all that she may not necessarily accept such "company" and if she does, it may not be with eager acceptance. While she and her prospective mate may well pair up quite peacefully (hopefully), you should be aware that such an arranged (by you) pairing up may go quite stormingly since as you already know, Cichlids can get quite aggressive and will demonstrate this in testing each other in such pair-ups. If this meeting does go this aggressive route, which is more probable than not, a 20 gallon tank would not give them much room to carry out this pair-bonding test, and would certainly not allow for the retreat of either one of this pair to get away from the other if things got too rough -- leading to the death of either Coral or her arranged "company" by the other. Too, a 20 gallon tank is not nearly big enough for a pair of Red-Shoulder Severum. This species can grow to a minimum of 8" and perhaps larger; other species in this Genus (Heros) will grow to around 12" and H. Sp "Rotkeil" may approach this. You would need a minimum tank size of at least 50 gallons (preferably more). If you're thinking of just another similar sized Cichlid of a different species (or a female of her own species) just to keep her company, you will still need a much larger tank, if not to give her the needed territorial room for continuing to spawn (which she may well continue to do), but for the shear size that she and a companion will grow to be. You should, and may already, realize that any companion must be of at least similar size -- an no smaller. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > looks like a severum to me...also it very aggressive...poor coral lays eggs every months guards them for 3 weeks..then eats then..i wanted to get this fish some company since shes the only one in my 20g tank..... > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 5:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as > > red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? > > > > Amber > > > > Deenerz@aol. com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:greychildre n%40yahoo. com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc> > > > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > > > picture. > > > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40596	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

Kim, Noticed your Red-Shoulder Severums as well as your white-orange Severums and your Red Severums. The Red Severums are quite attractive, and was wondering if you were breeding and raising them. I would tend to think that with having just 40 tanks and having at least 60 types of Cichlids, that you really don't have the room for rearing many Cichlid spawns -- or even having room to dedicate a tank to only one pair -- although I do note that you've had various African Cichlid fry (which will spawn in any such group) as well as Texas and Convict Cichlids (these latter being "unavoidable" in having spawns - LOL). I'm curious though, about your Red Severum, as I've seen many of these imported from the Far East in which the colors were artificially enhanced (not genetically bred) and in which the colors faded after time -- and which also never produce Red offspring since they are not truly a Red strain of the species. Can you fill us in more on yours as to their genetic make-up and what you know of them? Many thanks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: > > these are my fish   http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me > > > > kim carmean > > > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40597	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

i have about 20 severums   a red shoulder  / red/ super red/ white/ yellow and others  it looks more like my red severums  http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/red-severum.html    heres my red shoulder severum   http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com/red-shoulder-severum.html CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 8:37 AM From what little I can see of this fish in the left background at an oblique angle, it appears to be a species of Severum -- more specifically, Heros sp. "Rotkeil" (in German, literally "Red Wedge"), also more commonly called Red-Shoulder Severum from the red wedge-shaped diagonal band from the back of its head, and down past the back of the gill plates. A better photo might help in a more definite identification, but from what is shown, this is what it most closely resembles. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "greychildren" <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > what do you guys think? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40598	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

yes unfertilized eggs only last a few days  before rotting kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:17 AM I fail to see how she guards her eggs for 3 weeks. After the first two days they will turn white without being fertilized, and by the third day they will have accumulated a good amount of fungus -- only to have it increasing during the first week. By the beginning of the second week, they will be well rotted and it would be at least somewhat doubtful that there would be anything left of them by the end of the second week (or well before). Generally, such Cichlids will abandon the spawn well before the second week after seeing the spawn fail (not hatch -- accumulate fungus), and devour them shortly thereafter in preparation for spawning anew. Perhaps there aren't enough PWC's being made to promote the stimulation to spawn again -- not that this would help her in her determined plight. By "company" I assume you mean a mate (male) for Coral. If this is your plan, be advised first of all that she may not necessarily accept such "company" and if she does, it may not be with eager acceptance. While she and her prospective mate may well pair up quite peacefully (hopefully), you should be aware that such an arranged (by you) pairing up may go quite stormingly since as you already know, Cichlids can get quite aggressive and will demonstrate this in testing each other in such pair-ups. If this meeting does go this aggressive route, which is more probable than not, a 20 gallon tank would not give them much room to carry out this pair-bonding test, and would certainly not allow for the retreat of either one of this pair to get away from the other if things got too rough -- leading to the death of either Coral or her arranged "company" by the other. Too, a 20 gallon tank is not nearly big enough for a pair of Red-Shoulder Severum. This species can grow to a minimum of 8" and perhaps larger; other species in this Genus (Heros) will grow to around 12" and H. Sp "Rotkeil" may approach this. You would need a minimum tank size of at least 50 gallons (preferably more). If you're thinking of just another similar sized Cichlid of a different species (or a female of her own species) just to keep her company, you will still need a much larger tank, if not to give her the needed territorial room for continuing to spawn (which she may well continue to do), but for the shear size that she and a companion will grow to be. You should, and may already, realize that any companion must be of at least similar size -- an no smaller. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > looks like a severum to me...also it very aggressive.. .poor coral lays eggs every months guards them for 3 weeks..then eats then..i wanted to get this fish some company since shes the only one in my 20g tank..... > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Amber Berglund <amber@...> wrote: > > From: Amber Berglund <amber@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 5:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an albino Severum and he's shaped just like that one but not as > > red on the sides, so perhaps that's not an albino or maybe it's a hybrid? > > > > Amber > > > > Deenerz@aol. com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like a severum. Maybe albino or Rotkeil, Etropolus etc. > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com > > > <mailto:greychildre n%40yahoo. com>> > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:AquaticLife %40yahoogroups. com> > > > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:40 pm > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc> > > > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > > > picture. > > > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40599	From: kim carmean	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

i got them as babies they6 are about 3 inches now and stiill red kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb.google.com/bikim4202005 http://mainelycichlids.weebly.com --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:35 AM Kim, Noticed your Red-Shoulder Severums as well as your white-orange Severums and your Red Severums. The Red Severums are quite attractive, and was wondering if you were breeding and raising them. I would tend to think that with having just 40 tanks and having at least 60 types of Cichlids, that you really don't have the room for rearing many Cichlid spawns -- or even having room to dedicate a tank to only one pair -- although I do note that you've had various African Cichlid fry (which will spawn in any such group) as well as Texas and Convict Cichlids (these latter being "unavoidable" in having spawns - LOL). I'm curious though, about your Red Severum, as I've seen many of these imported from the Far East in which the colors were artificially enhanced (not genetically bred) and in which the colors faded after time -- and which also never produce Red offspring since they are not truly a Red strain of the species. Can you fill us in more on yours as to their genetic make-up and what you know of them? Many thanks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ ...> wrote: > > these are my fish   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me > > > > kim carmean > > > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40600	From: biG poppa	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

yea this morning when i turn on the tank light she eate all the eggs...Ray that my fear also bringin a male to the tank then she rejects him them im stuck with a severum and no tank to place him in..   I think shes not going to grow enymore shes according to my wife about 8 to 9 years old..my wife had her in a fish bowl i rescued her and placed her in a 20g high tank..i guess she will stay about 4 1/2 inches.. She is also very very agresive even towars me if i get neer the tank during her egg laying setion.       Thank for the help you guys --- On Sat, 5/30/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:46 AM i got them as babies they6 are about 3 inches now and stiill red kim carmean CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:35 AM Kim, Noticed your Red-Shoulder Severums as well as your white-orange Severums and your Red Severums. The Red Severums are quite attractive, and was wondering if you were breeding and raising them. I would tend to think that with having just 40 tanks and having at least 60 types of Cichlids, that you really don't have the room for rearing many Cichlid spawns -- or even having room to dedicate a tank to only one pair -- although I do note that you've had various African Cichlid fry (which will spawn in any such group) as well as Texas and Convict Cichlids (these latter being "unavoidable" in having spawns - LOL). I'm curious though, about your Red Severum, as I've seen many of these imported from the Far East in which the colors were artificially enhanced (not genetically bred) and in which the colors faded after time -- and which also never produce Red offspring since they are not truly a Red strain of the species. Can you fill us in more on yours as to their genetic make-up and what you know of them? Many thanks. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ ...> wrote: > > these are my fish   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me > > > > kim carmean > > > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40601	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Platy is bloated

Catherine, Do both mollies have a gonopodium, which is a modified anal fin, or does one have it and the other, plumper one, have a "normal" shaped anal fin, or do both have a normal anal fin? We need to definitively know this, since, if the plumper one is a female, she may be gravid, and will soon give birth to a number of molly fry. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cat.rose Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Platy is bloated Hi there! I'm new to aquatic life. I have 3 guppies, 2 GloFish & 2 Platys in a 10 gal tank. When I bought the platys I asked them to pick out 2 of the same sex, so I believe they're both males. One is a little plumper than the other, but I noticed today that he seems to be getting more bloated looking. He acts healthy, is eating ok, etc. Is there a way to tell if he's sick, and if so what do I do? Thanks! Catherine

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40602	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

She is very much stunted at this point in her life, I'm surprised that she lived this long if she was kept in a fish bowl. My severum is easily over 4 inches now and only about 6 months old or so (I got him as a baby). You won't know if your severum is stunted without actually giving her a proper sized tank and see if she grows anymore. I hope you do water changes often to keep the tank clean as severum's are big fish and produce a lot of waste compared to smaller fish like guppy's. I have my severum in a 125 gallon tank and he/she has never laid eggs or even become aggressive at all, he's one of the more docile fish in the tank and only fights back when the other fish try to attack him. Amber biG poppa wrote: > > > yea this morning when i turn on the tank light she eate all the > eggs...Ray that my fear also bringin a male to the tank then she > rejects him them im stuck with a severum and no tank to place him in.. > > I think shes not going to grow enymore shes according to my wife about > 8 to 9 years old..my wife had her in a fish bowl i rescued her and > placed her in a 20g high tank..i guess she will stay about 4 1/2 > inches.. She is also very very agresive even towars me if i get neer > the tank during her egg laying setion. > > > > Thank for the help you guys > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@... > <mailto:bikim420_2005%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@... > <mailto:bikim420_2005%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:46 AM > > i got them as babies they6 are about 3 inches now and stiill red > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:35 AM > > Kim, Noticed your Red-Shoulder Severums as well as your white-orange > Severums and your Red Severums. The Red Severums are quite attractive, > and was wondering if you were breeding and raising them. I would tend > to think that with having just 40 tanks and having at least 60 types > of Cichlids, that you really don't have the room for rearing many > Cichlid spawns -- or even having room to dedicate a tank to only one > pair -- although I do note that you've had various African Cichlid fry > (which will spawn in any such group) as well as Texas and Convict > Cichlids (these latter being "unavoidable" in having spawns - LOL). > > I'm curious though, about your Red Severum, as I've seen many of these > imported from the Far East in which the colors were artificially > enhanced (not genetically bred) and in which the colors faded after > time -- and which also never produce Red offspring since they are not > truly a Red strain of the species. Can you fill us in more on yours as > to their genetic make-up and what you know of them? Many thanks. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > these are my fish http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name > is a differant type pics on each > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > this link is my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. > com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html > and this link is my orange severum http://mainelycichl > ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html looks like severum to me > > > > > > > > > > > > kim carmean > > > > > > > > > > > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > > > > > > > > > > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ > album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& > order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the > picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40603	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Platy is bloated

My female platy's tend to be a little bigger than my male ones. The males have 2 fins on their "underside area", and the females will only have one, the male has a more pointy looking 2nd fin and the female won't have that pointy fin at all. That's the differences between the sexes. It's easier if you're looking at a picture, you might be able to find some pictures of male/female platy's on goggle. Amber Steve Szabo wrote: > > > Catherine, > > Do both mollies have a gonopodium, which is a modified anal fin, or does > one have it and the other, plumper one, have a "normal" shaped anal fin, > or do both have a normal anal fin? We need to definitively know this, > since, if the plumper one is a female, she may be gravid, and will soon > give birth to a number of molly fry. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of cat.rose > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:35 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Platy is bloated > > Hi there! I'm new to aquatic life. I have 3 guppies, 2 GloFish & 2 > Platys in a 10 gal tank. When I bought the platys I asked them to pick > out 2 of the same sex, so I believe they're both males. One is a little > plumper than the other, but I noticed today that he seems to be getting > more bloated looking. He acts healthy, is eating ok, etc. > > Is there a way to tell if he's sick, and if so what do I do? > > Thanks! > Catherine > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40604	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Acclimating new fish

Hi All, I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that of my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better but where is cutoff point? Thanks for the advice. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40605	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Angels and floating plants

Hi, Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? I just added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them or to the chemistry of the tank. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40606	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

It really depends on how fast (how frequent) you allow the water to drip. One method is to allow the water to drip through a air line that has an air valve on the end, to adjust the flow. The other method is to just tie a knot in the air line to adjust the flow, which takes some practice. Most of the stores I sell fish to take about an hour to "drip them in" but I don't know the volume of water being added during this time frame. I would think that even with a slower drip, that 2 hours is enough time -- and certainly more than enough time at a more "normal" drip. You want to add at least double the amount of "new" water to that in which they're in, i.e., for every measure of water they came in, you want to add at least two measures of your tank water, winding up with at least three measures of water in their container before transferring the fish to your tank water -- and you don't add this water back to the tank. Some aquarists will go with one measure of "new" water to one measure of original water, if the pH and hardness spread is not that vast. The difference in the parameters of the two waters dictates how much water needs to be added to promote a stressless transition. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I > am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that of > my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. > It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better > but where is cutoff point? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40607	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Floating plants of any type will help give any fish a better sense of security, although many fish will not need this cover, and Angelfish are one of these which will usually feel at ease without these floaters. More directly, it can often be the location of the tank (high or low in relation to what's going on), how much "traffic" (children, pets, etc.) passes the tank, and the other inhabitants (if any) which will promote or detract from their security since it is these stimuli which impact the fish to a greater extent. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? I just > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them or to > the chemistry of the tank. > > Thanks, Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40608	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

When I have new fish at a different pH, I use the quarantine period to acclimate them. I match the quarantine tank to their "before" pH and I do 50% water changes weekly during the 3 weeks of quarantine. By the time they are ready to go in the main tank, they are used to the new pH. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Acclimating new fish Hi All, I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that of my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better but where is cutoff point? Thanks for the advice. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40609	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

Do the drip until you've had to replace over 75% of the water in their original container. For example, if they were in a bag with only a quart/liter of water and you start your drip, when the bag reaches 2 quarts/liters, you would remove some of the water and let the drip continue, then remove some more and let the drip continue. I would do this until you have removed at least 2-3 quarts/liters of water. Remember that each time you remove some of the water, you are removing some of the old and some of the new so you get a diminishing return on each PWC (partial water change) once you do the first one. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Acclimating new fish Hi All, I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that of my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better but where is cutoff point? Thanks for the advice. Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40610	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

Ray, Thanks for the info. Curios if the temperature difference will hurt the Daffodils? Their water has cooled considerably more that the tank temperature. just to safe , I put them in bags and floated them for fifteen minutes. Overkill perhaps?? Thanks , Steve _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Acclimating new fish It really depends on how fast (how frequent) you allow the water to drip. One method is to allow the water to drip through a air line that has an air valve on the end, to adjust the flow. The other method is to just tie a knot in the air line to adjust the flow, which takes some practice. Most of the stores I sell fish to take about an hour to "drip them in" but I don't know the volume of water being added during this time frame. I would think that even with a slower drip, that 2 hours is enough time -- and certainly more than enough time at a more "normal" drip. You want to add at least double the amount of "new" water to that in which they're in, i.e., for every measure of water they came in, you want to add at least two measures of your tank water, winding up with at least three measures of water in their container before transferring the fish to your tank water -- and you don't add this water back to the tank. Some aquarists will go with one measure of "new" water to one measure of original water, if the pH and hardness spread is not that vast. The difference in the parameters of the two waters dictates how much water needs to be added to promote a stressless transition. Ray --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I > am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that of > my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. > It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better > but where is cutoff point? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40611	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Live plants, I'm presuming? Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for certain species (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer rocks. Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but usually in a good way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 from the water when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing the CO2, this will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change in pH (from CO2 changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or crash caused by other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes related to CO2 levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee us humans dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free will. Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the water since they are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as fish. They will also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. This is good since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted to nitrates via the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not good for the fish. Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are good as they'll provide shade for fish that do not like the bright lights, they'll suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, they'll suck up CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get even more light and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster and suck up even more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) to remove excess nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water with fresh water. You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like but do not go much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter and tank maintenance or the water can start to get pretty polluted. If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of fish keeping, I have links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through all of these things just like you were reading a well written book. I also have an free online test that you can take to see how well you are retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things right near the top of that article. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Hi, Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? I just added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them or to the chemistry of the tank. Thanks, Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40612	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: can you name this fish

Most any larger New World Cichlid species such as your Severum will defend their breeding/egg-laying site somewhat fiercely -- some species even more so than others. This aggressiveness is to be expected during any periods when they are tending eggs. IF you plan on introducing a male, it MUST be done at a time when her breeding cycle is only beginning -- well after the time she last had deposited eggs, at a time when she's well conditioned from this last spawning, and before she actually starts preparing the breeding area for spawning. It would help too, if you could rearrange as much of the tank as you can, to disorient her from feeling that she has any certain "territory" in the tank. As aggressive as she can be, which is usually (mostly) during her spawn-guarding period, when this aggression is equally matched by a male of her own species, she will experience this a lot differently (more "personally") from how she interacts with you. You will need a see-though tank divider to first introduce the male to her, and then, he should preferably be added to his side just before lights-out in the evening. During the period thst he's kept on his side of the tank, you should feed him well to condition him also. If you feel you want to attempt this, make prior arrangements with your local store owner to be able to bring the male back in case this does not end succussfully. With the divider still in place, and these two fish having gotten used to each other in the interum (and she is not going into an egg-laying phase), you may remove the divider to allow them to interact while watching them closely for excess aggressiveness. Some aggression is to be expected, and then too, they may pleasantly (though more rarely) just settle down and accept each other. Too much aggression is when one of the two flees the scene to a corner trying to remove itself from the whole picture. All too often, the other fish beats on this one unmercifully -- but surprisingly, not always. Again, you'll need to watch their behavior. If it does work out, you WILL need a larger tank, even though it appears she is somewhat stunted at this stage. A reminder, the male needs to be of at least equal size, perhaps even just slightly larger since she's the original inhabitant and has the slight advantage. You may expect them to lock jaws and pull each other around the tank. If no one gives up, they may just settle down and bond. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, biG poppa <greychildren@...> wrote: > > yea this morning when I turn on the tank light she ate all the eggs...Ray that my fear also bringing a male to the tank, then she rejects him; them I'm stuck with a severum and no tank to place him in.. >   > I think she's not going to grow anymore, she's according to my wife about 8 to 9 years old..my wife had her in a fish bowl - I rescued her and placed her in a 20g high tank... I guess she will stay about 4 1/2 inches... She is also very very agresive even towards me if I get near the tank during her egg laying session. >   >   >   > Thank for the help you guys > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> wrote: > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@...> > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:46 AM > > > > > > > > > i got them as babies they6 are about 3 inches now and stiill red > > kim carmean > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@ wmconnect. com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: can you name this fish > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:35 AM > > Kim, Noticed your Red-Shoulder Severums as well as your white-orange Severums and your Red Severums. The Red Severums are quite attractive, and was wondering if you were breeding and raising them. I would tend to think that with having just 40 tanks and having at least 60 types of Cichlids, that you really don't have the room for rearing many Cichlid spawns -- or even having room to dedicate a tank to only one pair -- although I do note that you've had various African Cichlid fry (which will spawn in any such group) as well as Texas and Convict Cichlids (these latter being "unavoidable" in having spawns - LOL). > > I'm curious though, about your Red Severum, as I've seen many of these imported from the Far East in which the colors were artificially enhanced (not genetically bred) and in which the colors faded after time -- and which also never produce Red offspring since they are not truly a Red strain of the species. Can you fill us in more on yours as to their genetic make-up and what you know of them? Many thanks. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > these are my fish   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/ each name is a differant type  pics on each > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: biG poppa <greychildren@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow thanQ kim it must be some kind of hybrid? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kim carmean <bikim420_2005@ yahoo.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > this link is  my orange parrot http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/blood- parrot-heros- severus-x- amphilophus- citrinellum. html     and this link is  my   orange severum   http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com/red-severum. html  looks like severum to me > > > > > > > > > > > > kim carmean > > > > > > > > > > > > CHECK OUT MY FISH PICTURE LINKS ,,,,,,,, > > > > > > > > > > > > http://picasaweb. google.com/ bikim4202005 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mainelycichl ids.weebly. com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: greychildren <greychildren@ yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] can you name this fish > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/AquaticLif e/photos/ album/1342895254 /pic/1077881682/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys is been a battle tried to identify miss coral over in the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think is a severum but my wife thinks its a parrot ciclyd > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40613	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

Big temperature difference? Overkill? NOT AT ALL. Always best to ensure the best acclimation you can -- and that goes for temperature as well as pH and hardness. That was a prudent move in floating them for 15 minutes -- they'll thank you for not exposing them to further stress. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@...> wrote: > > Ray, > > Thanks for the info. Curios if the temperature difference will hurt the > Daffodils? Their water has cooled considerably more that the tank > temperature. just to safe , I put them in bags and floated them for fifteen > minutes. Overkill perhaps?? > > Thanks , Steve > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Acclimating new fish > > > > > > It really depends on how fast (how frequent) you allow the water to drip. > One method is to allow the water to drip through a air line that has an air > valve on the end, to adjust the flow. The other method is to just tie a knot > in the air line to adjust the flow, which takes some practice. Most of the > stores I sell fish to take about an hour to "drip them in" but I don't know > the volume of water being added during this time frame. I would think that > even with a slower drip, that 2 hours is enough time -- and certainly more > than enough time at a more "normal" drip. You want to add at least double > the amount of "new" water to that in which they're in, i.e., for every > measure of water they came in, you want to add at least two measures of your > tank water, winding up with at least three measures of water in their > container before transferring the fish to your tank water -- and you don't > add this water back to the tank. Some aquarists will go with one measure of > "new" water to one measure of original water, if the pH and hardness spread > is not that vast. The difference in the parameters of the two waters > dictates how much water needs to be added to promote a stressless > transition. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I > > am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that > of > > my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. > > It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better > > but where is cutoff point? > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > Steve > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40614	From: Steve Biondi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Hey Lenny, Thanks for the tips. You sure do know your stuff, even if you do live in N'Orleans. Steve _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Live plants, I'm presuming? Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for certain species (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer rocks. Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but usually in a good way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 from the water when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing the CO2, this will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change in pH (from CO2 changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or crash caused by other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes related to CO2 levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee us humans dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free will. Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the water since they are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as fish. They will also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. This is good since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted to nitrates via the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not good for the fish. Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are good as they'll provide shade for fish that do not like the bright lights, they'll suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, they'll suck up CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get even more light and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster and suck up even more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) to remove excess nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water with fresh water. You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like but do not go much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter and tank maintenance or the water can start to get pretty polluted. If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of fish keeping, I have links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through all of these things just like you were reading a well written book. I also have an free online test that you can take to see how well you are retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things right near the top of that article. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Hi, Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? I just added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them or to the chemistry of the tank. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40615	From: bill1433	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Acclimating new fish

In my case, there is always a difference in pH and temperature on any of my purchases. As a general rule I acclimate new fish 4 hours! This is quite easily done with an air stone of good quality and a submersible heater already pre-set to my tanks temperature. I have been doing this since returning the the hobby last year and have never lost a fish. Although these measures may seem very extreme, please consider that in my neck of the woods, just getting a half descent specimen is extreme.  So when I have the opportunity to make a purchase, I want that animal to have the very best care I can give it, right from the start.  A couple hours is not that much of an extra effort.   Bill --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Acclimating new fish To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 8:07 PM Big temperature difference? Overkill?  NOT AT ALL.  Always best to ensure the best acclimation you can -- and that goes for temperature as well as pH and hardness.  That was a prudent move in floating them for 15 minutes -- they'll thank you for not exposing them to further stress.  Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@...> wrote: > > Ray, >  > Thanks for the info.  Curios if the temperature difference will hurt the > Daffodils?  Their water has cooled considerably more that the tank > temperature.  just to safe , I put them in bags and floated them for fifteen > minutes.  Overkill perhaps?? >  > Thanks , Steve > >   _____  > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:09 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Acclimating new fish > > > > > > It really depends on how fast (how frequent) you allow the water to drip. > One method is to allow the water to drip through a air line that has an air > valve on the end, to adjust the flow. The other method is to just tie a knot > in the air line to adjust the flow, which takes some practice. Most of the > stores I sell fish to take about an hour to "drip them in" but I don't know > the volume of water being added during this time frame. I would think that > even with a slower drip, that 2 hours is enough time -- and certainly more > than enough time at a more "normal" drip. You want to add at least double > the amount of "new" water to that in which they're in, i.e., for every > measure of water they came in, you want to add at least two measures of your > tank water, winding up with at least three measures of water in their > container before transferring the fish to your tank water -- and you don't > add this water back to the tank. Some aquarists will go with one measure of > "new" water to one measure of original water, if the pH and hardness spread > is not that vast. The difference in the parameters of the two waters > dictates how much water needs to be added to promote a stressless > transition. Ray > > --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Steve Biondi" <parkpac@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am in the process of adding new fish to an already established tank.. I > > am using the drip method since the pH of the new fish is higher that that > of > > my tank water. How long should it take before I actually add the fish. > > It's been almost two hours of the dripping. Guessing that longer is better > > but where is cutoff point? > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > Steve > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of unsubscribing, you can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My Membership" on the home page.  Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com to receive the digest, which includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com for the No E-Mail option where you will still be able to read messages on the group and post replies. Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com to receive individual e-mails.Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40616	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Hey now... if you're gonna try to talk "Naturally N'Awlins", you gotta say "N'Awlins", not N'Orleans. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Hey Lenny, Thanks for the tips. You sure do know your stuff, even if you do live in N'Orleans. Steve _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:56 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Live plants, I'm presuming? Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for certain species (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer rocks. Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but usually in a good way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 from the water when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing the CO2, this will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change in pH (from CO2 changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or crash caused by other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes related to CO2 levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee us humans dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free will. Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the water since they are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as fish. They will also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. This is good since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted to nitrates via the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not good for the fish. Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are good as they'll provide shade for fish that do not like the bright lights, they'll suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, they'll suck up CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get even more light and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster and suck up even more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) to remove excess nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water with fresh water. You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like but do not go much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter and tank maintenance or the water can start to get pretty polluted. If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of fish keeping, I have links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through all of these things just like you were reading a well written book. I also have an free online test that you can take to see how well you are retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things right near the top of that article. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Hi, Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? I just added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them or to the chemistry of the tank. Thanks, Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40617	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Top Photos

The University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric Science recently held a photo contest, and here are the top photos that were submitted. http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40618	From: Harl Myers	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos

Very good! Thanks for pointing these out... On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > The University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric > Science recently held a photo contest, and here are the top photos that > were submitted. > http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html > > \\Steve// > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40619	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos

The article talks about cheap under water cameras and underwater cases. I saw Walmart had a vivitar digital under water camera for $99. Has anyone tried it? The price is hard to pass up if it is a decent camera. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 31 May 2009 4:38 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Top Photos Very good! Thanks for pointing these out... On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > The University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric > Science recently held a photo contest, and here are the top photos that > were submitted. > http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html > > \\Steve// > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40620	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos (and now Lenny's recollection of a GREAT dive trip)

When I used to Scuba dive on frequently (back in the 80's & 90's), I had two "less expensive" underwater cameras. One used 110 film (shows how long it's been since I bought that camera) and the other 35mm film... still pretty archaic by today's standards. One of them was actually a Vivitar and the better one (35mm) was from SubSea (I think). They both had thick (maybe 1/4") plastic housings with an O-ring seal on the back flap. The Vivitar (110 film) was only good to around 50' but I didn't take it over 35' (just in case) and the SubSea was good to 150' and I used it down to about 100' to 120'. 90% of the "pretty stuff" that you might see while diving is in water less than 50' deep unless you are diving in an area with crystal clear water since most of the "pretty stuff" needs sunlight to grow and light doesn't do well underwater. I have dove some reefs off the coast of Honduras (near Anthony's Key, but most reefs and other pretty stuff is in water less than 50' deep. Ahhhh (imagine the do-do-do-do-do-do music and swirling images as I go back in history).. the above reminds me of my first BIG two-week dive trip. A life-long friend of mine and I got SCUBA (actually an acronym for Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus) certified together as we were planning to go visit some of his relatives down in Honduras later that year. He was born to American parents who were working down in Honduras at the time of his birth so he had dual citizenship. We flew into Tegucigalpa (the Capitol), Honduras on a Boeing 727, then switched to a Dash-7 twin-prop plane and flew to Le Ceiba (a large city on the coast), then switched to a little Cessna and landed on a dirt strip on Utilla (an island off the coast which was the largest island comprising the Utilla Keys) and then we took a Dory (a carved out tree trunk with a lawn mower engine) from Utilla to our dive vacation destination, "The Rock" (a few miles away in the open Gulf of Mexico... in a carved out tree trunk???.... yes, I had my Scuba tank ready). Yes, we were staying on our own island (rented for two weeks) which was called "The Rock" off the Utilla Keys. Yes, "The Rock" aptly describes our island as there was only about 20' of land around the house on all four sides before you reached the waters edge... and then there was a piece-meal wooden walk bridge to get to one of the bigger Utilla Keys (Lower Key) which was also connected by a piece-meal wooden walk bridge to an even larger Utilla Key (Upper Key). There was no running water or full-time electricity on our "Rock" or on Upper or Lower Key... although this one rich American did have a generator, satellite dish, etc., so lots of folks spent lots of time at his house... and fortunately, he and his wife welcomed the company. We made dozens of dives, lived with and mingled with all the locals who live on the two keys full-time, met on "The Bridge" (the rickety wooden walk bridge between Upper and Lower Keys) every night for partying, music, dancing, occasional diving off "The Bridge"... and oh yes... drinking lots of Flor D'Cana, a rum-like liquor made with sugar cane... thus the name "Flower Of The Cane". There were no night clubs, restaurants or any other entertainment establishment on Upper and Lower Key so folks just made their own entertainment. LIFE WAS GREAT!!!! We ate turtle soup (made with a freshly caught BIG turtle out of the Gulf of Mexico... yeah, I know.. probably endangered species. LOL We ate "stinking toe" which was some kind of root from a native tree on the islands. Oh yeah.. did I mention that our $200.00/week rental rate ($100.00 each/week) for "The Rock" included maid service who also cooked us breakfast and lunch every day? Yes... did I mention that LIFE WAS GREAT!!! One particular dive trip, a lobster catching trip out to a HUGE and colorful reef that was in crystal clear 100'+ water so the reef thrived, even that deep since the water was so clear that it was still like daylight, even 100'+ under water. We could see the fish swimming around the reef and lobster crawling around on the sandy bottom around the edges of the reef. Did I mention that we went out to this particular reef in that same Dory (the carved out tree trunk with the lawnmower motor engine) and since it was about 10 miles away (over the open Gulf... these folks are nuts!!! LOL), we had to leave shortly after breakfast. Yep... you're getting where this story is going. A nice big breakfast, including "Turtle Balls" (made with some of that Turtle meat from that BIG turtle we caught), eggs, grits, bacon, biscuits... you name it. Are you getting where this story is going yet? So we load up this BIG Dory... about a 20' long carved out tree trunk, with three local guys and my friend, Sydney and me, and our Scuba gear. The locals just used fins and masks to dive 100'+. Did I mention they were crazy??? Anyhow, after a two hour trip (yes, a 20' Dory with a lawnmower motor for an engine and five men in it, doesn't go very fast) and the wind was blowing faster than the Dory was going so we were all breathing in lawnmower exhaust the entire trip... do you see where this story is going yet? We get to the reef and drop anchor... yes, they actually had a real anchor... (were you expecting a BIG rock???) hooked to a long-enough rope. The locals dove in but were waiting for Sydney and I to put on our tanks and stuff. We got into the water, put on our equipment and right about then, that BIG breakfast, the two hour trip in the tree trunk over open Gulf waves and the lawnmower exhaust fumes caught up with me and I started hurling up that BIG breakfast... hey, somebody had to feed the fish! LOL The locals immediately grabbed their spears and spear guns because the fish from the reef came up and started snacking on my breakfast as it slowly sunk to the bottom. There were hundreds and hundreds of fish, like a feeding frenzy... and the locals were spearing LOTS of BIG FISH. Fortunately, they were going to be dead and cooked long before they could digest any of my regurgitated breakfast. LOL After that, I was feeling GREAT so we made the dive and since Sydney and I could stay down at the reef for a much longer time than the locals, besides exploring the reef and taking some pics, we also gathered up dozens of lobsters (same as Florida spiny lobsters, not the Maine clawed lobsters but actually MUCH bigger) into nets and then the locals would pull them up into the Dory. Needless to say, I was the talk of the island that night (we had a bon fire beach party that night) and everyone thanked me for helping to catch such a BIG feast... dozens of lobsters and probably a hundred BIG fish that were feeding on my under water breakfast buffet. LOL OK.. not wanting to end this story on the "under water breakfast buffet" story, after our two weeks on "The Rock" and Upper and Lower Key, I got to meet LOTS of folks, many that I still see and talk to today since many of them were relatives of Sydney's dad. His dad was American but his family came from British Honduras before the Brit's turned it over to the locals and Sydney's mom was American but her family also came from Honduras so many of the people on the islands and mainland were related to Sydney. The last day of our trip brought us back to the mainland in Le Ceiba where we stayed in a local hotel to catch our plane in the morning so we did the tourist thing in Le Ceiba and went out that night. While traveling around during the day, the Honduran Army had check points every where and Sydney and I kept joking about how they might grab him up and enlist him in the Army since even his American passport showed his birth place as Le Ceiba, Honduras. Fortunately, they never enlisted him during that trip so we made it back to N'Awlins with nothing but GREAT MEMORIES of a dive trip that many of my dive friends still drool over... especially the price. Renting "The Rock" for two weeks with maid and cooking service - $200.00 Airfare ($129 round trip) and spending money for the two week trip - $200.00 Having a GREAT dive vacation and unforgettable memories, meeting LOTS of great people and making some life-long friends - PRICELESS Hey MasterCard... call me! Oh yeah... Mike... give the camera a try. Under water cameras have been around a LONG time and even back in the 70's, 80's & 90's (and before), they sold full blown Nikonos under water professional type cameras down to Zip-Loc bag type camera housings that you put your own camera in and were OK for up to 33' deep, although I wouldn't push any of their "standards" and would usually only go 1/2 of what they recommended. The biggest drawback is going to be lighting and flash-back problems where the flash lights up debris in the water which then washes out what you thought would be a great shot. Of course, with digital cams, at least you can take a LOT more pics and not have to spend a fortune processing and printing a bunch of film where only a couple of pics come out. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Top Photos The article talks about cheap under water cameras and underwater cases. I saw Walmart had a vivitar digital under water camera for $99. Has anyone tried it? The price is hard to pass up if it is a decent camera. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Harl Myers <uneekfish@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 31 May 2009 4:38 am Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Top Photos Very good! Thanks for pointing these out... On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > > > The University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric > Science recently held a photo contest, and here are the top photos > that > were submitted. > http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-294568-1.html > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40621	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Top Photos (and now Lenny's recollection of a GREAT dive trip)

Hi Lenny, Before my collecting trip to Peru I looked into getting an underwater?case for my Nikon D100 camera, cost more than a house payment! I ended up buying a cheaper camera to bring as I did not want to ruin my Nikon, an Olympus sp350(?) but could not locate a case in time. As it turned out the we never found water clear enough to take any shots anyway. I brought a case for disposable 35 mm film cameras. Seeing the vivitar for $99 made me rethink buying a case for the olympus as it would be almost as much for just the case. Next collecting trip maybe. Good to know the prices are really dropping on things like these. -Mike Oh yeah... Mike... give the camera a try. Under water cameras have been around a LONG time and even back in the 70's, 80's & 90's (and before), they sold full blown Nikonos under water professional type cameras down to Zip-Loc bag type camera housings that you put your own camera in and were OK for up to 33' deep, although I wouldn't push any of their "standards" and would usually only go 1/2 of what they recommended. The biggest drawback is going to be lighting and flash-back problems where the flash lights up debris in the water which then washes out what you thought would be a great shot. Of course, with digital cams, at least you can take a LOT more pics and not have to spend a fortune processing and printing a bunch of film where only a couple of pics come out. Recent Activity 7 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40622	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that keep breeding. They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so secure they'll attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including hands and arms ;) LOL. I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more secure and happy, but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your 2 angel's in one tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My angel's rule the 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until I get the tank stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they keep all the fish on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if you're going to keep the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the chances of getting an aggressive pair like I do ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for certain species > (many > African cichlids, for example) that prefer rocks. > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but usually in a good > way if > the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 from the water when the > lights are on and put out O2. When removing the CO2, this will raise > the pH > a little.. but this type of change in pH (from CO2 changes) is not > dangerous > to fish like a pH spike or crash caused by other chemicals. God created > fish to handle pH changes related to CO2 levels related to photosynthesis > but He didn't foresee us humans dumping chemicals in the water, when > He gave > us free will. > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the water since they > are a > life form and need many of the same nutrients as fish. They will also use > up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. This is good since fish put > out a lot of ammonia which is converted to nitrates via the nitrogen cycle > and high levels of nitrates are not good for the fish. > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are good as they'll > provide > shade for fish that do not like the bright lights, they'll suck up > nitrates > and other nutrients from the water, they'll suck up CO2 and put out O2 > (and > as floaters, they'll also get even more light and more CO2 from the air so > they'll grow even faster and suck up even more of the nutrients/pollutants > from the water. > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) to remove excess > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water with fresh water. You > can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like but do not go much more > than a week in between your PWC's, filter and tank maintenance or the > water > can start to get pretty polluted. > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of fish keeping, I have > links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through all of these > things just like you were reading a well written book. I also have an free > online test that you can take to see how well you are retaining all of > your > new information. Go to my blog, on the "A to Z of Fish Keeping" page and > you'll find these things right near the top of that article. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? > I just > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them > or to > the chemistry of the tank. > > Thanks, Steve > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40623	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

You know the quickest tank stand that one could make is the old college dorm "shelves"... cinder blocks and oak 1" x 12"'s. Depending on how you stack the cinder blocks, like if you put the holes facing forward, you even have a wine rack along with the shelves... OK.. maybe not wine back in the college days but Rum, JD, Vodka, Tequila, Sambuca, etc. ;-) The only expense was the oak shelving and the booze. The cinder blocks mysteriously appeared from a nearby construction site. ;-) Pine shelving would work for smaller tanks and also if you put a third column in the middle to support the pine shelves. You can usually buy 1" x 12" shelves, pre-cut, in either oak or pine at your local big-box home improvement store. They also sell cinder blocks if you do not wish to have a scavenger hunt to "find" some. ;-) And if you really want to get fancy, you can go with laminated shelving and then spray paint the cinder blocks to match/contrast but then you're getting out of the budget of the college dorm "shelves" experience. ;-) Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that keep breeding. They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so secure they'll attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including hands and arms ;) LOL. I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more secure and happy, but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your 2 angel's in one tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My angel's rule the 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until I get the tank stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they keep all the fish on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if you're going to keep the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the chances of getting an aggressive pair like I do ;) Amber Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for certain species > (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer rocks. > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but usually in a good > way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 from the water > when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing the CO2, this > will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change in pH (from CO2 > changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or crash caused by > other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes related to CO2 > levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee us humans > dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free will. > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the water since they > are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as fish. They will > also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. This is good > since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted to nitrates via > the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not good for the > fish. > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are good as they'll > provide shade for fish that do not like the bright lights, they'll > suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, they'll suck up > CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get even more light > and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster and suck up even > more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) to remove excess > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water with fresh water. > You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like but do not go > much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter and tank > maintenance or the water can start to get pretty polluted. > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of fish keeping, I > have links to two free online tutorials that will walk you through all > of these things just like you were reading a well written book. I also > have an free online test that you can take to see how well you are > retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, on the "A to Z > of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things right near the top > of that article. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links to any articles referenced in > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Biondi > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating plants as a cover? > I just > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any difference to them > or to the chemistry of the tank. > > Thanks, Steve > > ------------------------------------ Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40624	From: bill1433	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Len, Sorry to disagree with you here, but for my money "the very best", quickest, and certainly the strongest, is the one you suggested from you, built by you, that is on your blog.   Anything that can disturb that stand must be at least 12 feet tall, have 6 arms and weigh a ton!  That is an aquarium stand, Mr.---no question about it! <big grin>   Bill --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:11 PM > You know the quickest tank stand that > one could make is the old college dorm > "shelves"... cinder blocks and oak 1" x 12"'s.  > Depending on how you stack > the cinder blocks, like if you put the holes facing > forward, you even have a > wine rack along with the shelves... OK.. maybe not wine > back in the college > days but Rum, JD, Vodka, Tequila, Sambuca, etc. ;-)  > The only expense was > the oak shelving and the booze.  The cinder blocks > mysteriously appeared > from a nearby construction site. ;-)  Pine shelving > would work for smaller > tanks and also if you put a third column in the middle to > support the pine > shelves.  You can usually buy 1" x 12" shelves, > pre-cut, in either oak or > pine at your local big-box home improvement store.  > They also sell cinder > blocks if you do not wish to have a scavenger hunt to > "find" some. ;-)  > > And if you really want to get fancy, you can go with > laminated shelving and > then spray paint the cinder blocks to match/contrast but > then you're getting > out of the budget of the college dorm "shelves" experience. > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that > keep breeding. > They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so > secure they'll > attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including > hands and arms > ;) LOL. > I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more > secure and happy, > but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your > 2 angel's in one > tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My > angel's rule the > 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until > I get the tank > stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they > keep all the fish > on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. > I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if > you're going to keep > the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the > chances of getting > an aggressive pair like I do ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for > certain species > > (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer > rocks. > > > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but > usually in a good > > way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 > from the water > > when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing > the CO2, this > > will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change > in pH (from CO2 > > changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or > crash caused by > > other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes > related to CO2 > > levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee > us humans > > dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free > will. > > > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the > water since they > > are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as > fish. They will > > also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. > This is good > > since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted > to nitrates via > > the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not > good for the > > fish. > > > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are > good as they'll > > provide shade for fish that do not like the bright > lights, they'll > > suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, > they'll suck up > > CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get > even more light > > and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster > and suck up even > > more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. > > > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) > to remove excess > > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water > with fresh water. > > You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like > but do not go > > much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter > and tank > > maintenance or the water can start to get pretty > polluted. > > > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of > fish keeping, I > > have links to two free online tutorials that will walk > you through all > > of these things just like you were reading a well > written book. I also > > have an free online test that you can take to see how > well you are > > retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, > on the "A to Z > > of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things > right near the top > > of that article. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating > plants as a cover? > > I just > > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any > difference to them > > or to the chemistry of the tank. > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > unsubscribing, you > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > Membership" on the > home page.  > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > to receive the digest, which > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > for the No E-Mail option where > you will still be able to read messages on the group and > post replies. > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > to receive individual > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40625	From: Amber Berglund	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

I was going to build one like on Lenny's blog but my hubby works with metal and has an inside hook up for getting a metal frame built, so I figured I'd wait and have something fancy but I'm sure getting impatient, LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Len, > > Sorry to disagree with you here, but for my money "the very best", > quickest, and certainly the strongest, is the one you suggested from > you, built by you, that is on your blog. > > Anything that can disturb that stand must be at least 12 feet tall, > have 6 arms > and weigh a ton! That is an aquarium stand, Mr.---no question about > it! <big grin> > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:11 PM > > You know the quickest tank stand that > > one could make is the old college dorm > > "shelves"... cinder blocks and oak 1" x 12"'s. > > Depending on how you stack > > the cinder blocks, like if you put the holes facing > > forward, you even have a > > wine rack along with the shelves... OK.. maybe not wine > > back in the college > > days but Rum, JD, Vodka, Tequila, Sambuca, etc. ;-) > > The only expense was > > the oak shelving and the booze. The cinder blocks > > mysteriously appeared > > from a nearby construction site. ;-) Pine shelving > > would work for smaller > > tanks and also if you put a third column in the middle to > > support the pine > > shelves. You can usually buy 1" x 12" shelves, > > pre-cut, in either oak or > > pine at your local big-box home improvement store. > > They also sell cinder > > blocks if you do not wish to have a scavenger hunt to > > "find" some. ;-) > > > > And if you really want to get fancy, you can go with > > laminated shelving and > > then spray paint the cinder blocks to match/contrast but > > then you're getting > > out of the budget of the college dorm "shelves" experience. > > ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed > > on the right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives > > by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that > > keep breeding. > > They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so > > secure they'll > > attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including > > hands and arms > > ;) LOL. > > I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more > > secure and happy, > > but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your > > 2 angel's in one > > tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My > > angel's rule the > > 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until > > I get the tank > > stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they > > keep all the fish > > on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. > > I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if > > you're going to keep > > the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the > > chances of getting > > an aggressive pair like I do ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > > > > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for > > certain species > > > (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer > > rocks. > > > > > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but > > usually in a good > > > way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 > > from the water > > > when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing > > the CO2, this > > > will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change > > in pH (from CO2 > > > changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or > > crash caused by > > > other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes > > related to CO2 > > > levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee > > us humans > > > dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free > > will. > > > > > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the > > water since they > > > are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as > > fish. They will > > > also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. > > This is good > > > since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted > > to nitrates via > > > the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not > > good for the > > > fish. > > > > > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are > > good as they'll > > > provide shade for fish that do not like the bright > > lights, they'll > > > suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, > > they'll suck up > > > CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get > > even more light > > > and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster > > and suck up even > > > more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. > > > > > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) > > to remove excess > > > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water > > with fresh water. > > > You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like > > but do not go > > > much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter > > and tank > > > maintenance or the water can start to get pretty > > polluted. > > > > > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of > > fish keeping, I > > > have links to two free online tutorials that will walk > > you through all > > > of these things just like you were reading a well > > written book. I also > > > have an free online test that you can take to see how > > well you are > > > retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, > > on the "A to Z > > > of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things > > right near the top > > > of that article. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> (Links > > to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating > > plants as a cover? > > > I just > > > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any > > difference to them > > > or to the chemistry of the tank. > > > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > > replying, Thank You. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is > > NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. > > , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > If you do not want all of the groups emails, instead of > > unsubscribing, you > > can change your delivery option by clicking on "Edit My > > Membership" on the > > home page. > > > > Or e-mail aquaticlife-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-digest%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive the digest, which > > includes up to 25 posts at a time in a single email > > > > Or email aquaticlife-nomail@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-nomail%40yahoogroups.com> > > for the No E-Mail option where > > you will still be able to read messages on the group and > > post replies. > > > > Or email aquaticlife-normal@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:aquaticlife-normal%40yahoogroups.com> > > to receive individual > > e-mails.Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40626	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Now about DIY easy tank stands (was: Angels and floating plants)

Well... that's certainly one of the strongest and it's inexpensive but it's not as quick as some cinder blocks and pre-cut shelving. One would have to have a couple of power tools or at least be able to use hand tools to build the stand that I have on my blog so if one is not a handyperson, for 55G and smaller tanks, the cinder block and shelving works fine... as long as one doesn't mind the cinder block decor... but once again, them holes work perfect for a wine/booze rack. You know.. with cinder blocks and duct tape, one could probably build or repair just about anything. LOL Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill1433 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants Len, Sorry to disagree with you here, but for my money "the very best", quickest, and certainly the strongest, is the one you suggested from you, built by you, that is on your blog.   Anything that can disturb that stand must be at least 12 feet tall, have 6 arms and weigh a ton!  That is an aquarium stand, Mr.---no question about it! <big grin>   Bill --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote: > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:11 PM > You know the quickest tank stand that > one could make is the old college dorm "shelves"... cinder blocks and > oak 1" x 12"'s. > Depending on how you stack > the cinder blocks, like if you put the holes facing forward, you even > have a wine rack along with the shelves... OK.. maybe not wine back in > the college days but Rum, JD, Vodka, Tequila, Sambuca, etc. ;-) The > only expense was the oak shelving and the booze.  The cinder blocks > mysteriously appeared from a nearby construction site. ;-)  Pine > shelving would work for smaller tanks and also if you put a third > column in the middle to support the pine shelves.  You can usually buy > 1" x 12" shelves, pre-cut, in either oak or pine at your local big-box > home improvement store. > They also sell cinder > blocks if you do not wish to have a scavenger hunt to "find" some. ;-) > > And if you really want to get fancy, you can go with laminated > shelving and then spray paint the cinder blocks to match/contrast but > then you're getting out of the budget of the college dorm "shelves" > experience. > ;-) > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically > under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that > keep breeding. > They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so > secure they'll > attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including > hands and arms > ;) LOL. > I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more > secure and happy, > but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your > 2 angel's in one > tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My > angel's rule the > 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until > I get the tank > stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they > keep all the fish > on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. > I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if > you're going to keep > the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the > chances of getting > an aggressive pair like I do ;) > > Amber > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for > certain species > > (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer > rocks. > > > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but > usually in a good > > way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 > from the water > > when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing > the CO2, this > > will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change > in pH (from CO2 > > changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or > crash caused by > > other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes > related to CO2 > > levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee > us humans > > dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free > will. > > > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the > water since they > > are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as > fish. They will > > also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. > This is good > > since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted > to nitrates via > > the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not > good for the > > fish. > > > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are > good as they'll > > provide shade for fish that do not like the bright > lights, they'll > > suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, > they'll suck up > > CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get > even more light > > and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster > and suck up even > > more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. > > > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) > to remove excess > > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water > with fresh water. > > You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like > but do not go > > much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter > and tank > > maintenance or the water can start to get pretty > polluted. > > > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of > fish keeping, I > > have links to two free online tutorials that will walk > you through all > > of these things just like you were reading a well > written book. I also > > have an free online test that you can take to see how > well you are > > retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, > on the "A to Z > > of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things > right near the top > > of that article. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> (Links > to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, > alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating > plants as a cover? > > I just > > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any > difference to them > > or to the chemistry of the tank. > > > > Thanks, Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 40627	From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Angels and floating plants

Tell hubby you're going with the cinder block wine rack / tank stand combo if he doesn't get the move on. Of course, if he's a typical "dude" (like the rest of us), he'll like the cinder block stand and he'll wipe his brow and say "Whew... I don't have to build that stand for her any more" and then crack open a bottle of wine/booze. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amber Berglund Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants I was going to build one like on Lenny's blog but my hubby works with metal and has an inside hook up for getting a metal frame built, so I figured I'd wait and have something fancy but I'm sure getting impatient, LOL. Amber bill1433 wrote: > > > > Len, > > Sorry to disagree with you here, but for my money "the very best", > quickest, and certainly the strongest, is the one you suggested from > you, built by you, that is on your blog. > > Anything that can disturb that stand must be at least 12 feet tall, > have 6 arms and weigh a ton! That is an aquarium stand, Mr.---no > question about it! <big grin> > > Bill > > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@... > <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:11 PM > > You know the quickest tank stand that one could make is the old > > college dorm "shelves"... cinder blocks and oak 1" x 12"'s. > > Depending on how you stack > > the cinder blocks, like if you put the holes facing forward, you > > even have a wine rack along with the shelves... OK.. maybe not wine > > back in the college days but Rum, JD, Vodka, Tequila, Sambuca, etc. > > ;-) The only expense was the oak shelving and the booze. The cinder > > blocks mysteriously appeared from a nearby construction site. ;-) > > Pine shelving would work for smaller tanks and also if you put a > > third column in the middle to support the pine shelves. You can > > usually buy 1" x 12" shelves, pre-cut, in either oak or pine at your > > local big-box home improvement store. > > They also sell cinder > > blocks if you do not wish to have a scavenger hunt to "find" some. > > ;-) > > > > And if you really want to get fancy, you can go with laminated > > shelving and then spray paint the cinder blocks to match/contrast > > but then you're getting out of the budget of the college dorm > > "shelves" experience. > > ;-) > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > > right side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by > > Year, Month) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On > > Behalf Of Amber Berglund > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:29 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > I can also add a point of view from having 2 angel's that keep > > breeding. > > They are VERY secure in their fish tank, in fact they're so secure > > they'll attack anything that appears to be an intruder ;) Including > > hands and arms > > ;) LOL. > > I don't see them as needing floating plants to feel more secure and > > happy, but if you plan to breed them make sure you have only your > > 2 angel's in one > > tank or the rest of your tank is going to hate you ;) My angel's > > rule the > > 125 gallon tank they're in with other fish right now, until I get > > the tank stand built I can't move them over to their own tank, they > > keep all the fish on one side of the tank when they lay eggs. > > I would almost suggest just keeping a single angel if you're going > > to keep the angel fish with other fish too, otherwise you run the > > chances of getting an aggressive pair like I do ;) > > > > Amber > > > > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > > > > > > > > Live plants, I'm presuming? > > > > > > Almost all fish like plants in their tanks except for > > certain species > > > (many African cichlids, for example) that prefer > > rocks. > > > > > > Yes, live plants can change the water chemistry but > > usually in a good > > > way if the plants are healthy. Plants will remove CO2 > > from the water > > > when the lights are on and put out O2. When removing > > the CO2, this > > > will raise the pH a little.. but this type of change > > in pH (from CO2 > > > changes) is not dangerous to fish like a pH spike or > > crash caused by > > > other chemicals. God created fish to handle pH changes > > related to CO2 > > > levels related to photosynthesis but He didn't foresee > > us humans > > > dumping chemicals in the water, when He gave us free > > will. > > > > > > Plants will also use up more of the nutrients in the > > water since they > > > are a life form and need many of the same nutrients as > > fish. They will > > > also use up phosphates and nitrates as a food source. > > This is good > > > since fish put out a lot of ammonia which is converted > > to nitrates via > > > the nitrogen cycle and high levels of nitrates are not > > good for the > > > fish. > > > > > > Floating plants like Anacharis, Hornwort, etc., are > > good as they'll > > > provide shade for fish that do not like the bright > > lights, they'll > > > suck up nitrates and other nutrients from the water, > > they'll suck up > > > CO2 and put out O2 (and as floaters, they'll also get > > even more light > > > and more CO2 from the air so they'll grow even faster > > and suck up even > > > more of the nutrients/pollutants from the water. > > > > > > We also do weekly PWC's (partial water changes - 25%) > > to remove excess > > > nitrates and pollution and replace the dirty water > > with fresh water. > > > You can do more frequent PWC's, even daily if you like > > but do not go > > > much more than a week in between your PWC's, filter > > and tank > > > maintenance or the water can start to get pretty > > polluted. > > > > > > If you want to learn a lot more about the basics of > > fish keeping, I > > > have links to two free online tutorials that will walk > > you through all > > > of these things just like you were reading a well > > written book. I also > > > have an free online test that you can take to see how > > well you are > > > retaining all of your new information. Go to my blog, > > on the "A to Z > > > of Fish Keeping" page and you'll find these things > > right near the top > > > of that article. > > > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>> > > > (Links > > to any articles referenced in > > > above reply are listed on the right side, > > alphabetically under Labels > > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Steve Biondi > > > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:10 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Angels and floating plants > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone know if Angels do better with floating > > plants as a cover? > > > I just > > > added some floaters and was curios if it makes any > > difference to them > > > or to the chemistry of the tank. > > > > > > Thanks, Steve